Post by: mastahcheese on December 31, 2012, 08:09:22 pm
So now that we're going to have worlds that continue to grow even as we toil on our forts and the lives of our adventurers, and forts that can be left to work on unrelated matters, we should start having entire community worlds, that span across decades and beyond of in-game time, jumping from forts that span across the whole globe, connected by the wandering persuits of various adventurers.
Think of it, someone could be playing in one fort, then transfer the save over to another player, who runs a completey different fort on the other side of the continent, and if one needs help, you could ferry over supplies as an adventurer with demi-god level fighting power to save them from an incoming seige.
I can imagine a world being genned from year two (or zero if someone has figured out how), and advancing onward into years with triple digits, possibly even quadruple if the world is just that good.
So who's with me?
UPDATE:
The game has been started by Glloyd here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=144118.0).
Post by: wer6 on December 31, 2012, 09:58:58 pm
I in.
Post by: NAV on December 31, 2012, 11:36:40 pm
Good idea Mastahcheese.
Post by: Kalemyr Skyfire on January 01, 2013, 01:09:35 am
Im in.
Post by: Xantalos on January 01, 2013, 01:44:25 am
Post by: eharper256 on January 01, 2013, 05:00:02 am
Post by: peregarrett on January 01, 2013, 07:40:37 am
Say, each of players makes a fortress for a year or two, then leaves it on its own and passes save to next player. And later each player gets his fortress back and gets pissed of how their nice places turned into mess! And has his time to fix it.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 01, 2013, 07:41:39 am
ME
!!AND MY AXE!!
(EDIT: what the hell was i thinking when i wrote this? :D)
EDIT: It would take alot of time and recources, but somebody could wall in entire cities using fortresses. If Toady ever intruduces road pricing...
Post by: Broken on January 01, 2013, 10:35:47 am
Sounds great, I'm in.
ME
!!AND MY AXE!!
What if a player built a huge wall on his/her site and then created another fortress next to the first one, continuing the wall. It would take alot of time and recources, but somebody could wall in entire cities that way. If Toady ever intruduces road pricing...
And you can make Multifortresses building several adyacent fortresses joined though the caverns, Moria style, With populations of thousands.
Post by: Slothman400 on January 01, 2013, 11:44:24 am
Post by: wilsonns on January 01, 2013, 11:48:40 am
Post by: Raul on January 01, 2013, 11:52:30 am
It could even be DF2014... We don't know how long it will take for The Almighty to complete his plans for the next release.
IIRC, he mentioned in the latest DF Talk that he's aiming for a march 2013 release... I think that's him being way too generous, but still. 2 months to go! :D
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on January 01, 2013, 12:38:05 pm
Post by: Delioth on January 01, 2013, 01:07:29 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 01, 2013, 01:09:40 pm
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And you can make Multifortresses building several adyacent fortresses joined though the caverns, Moria style, With populations of thousands.Urist McMiner cancels dig: Interrupted by Balrog/Dug too deep!
EDIT: I wonder how often those LotR references were already made. Probably way too often to be funny anymore.
By the way, how are we going to organize this? One year turns on each fortress? What about adventurer turns?
I guess mastahcheese is the boss now.
Post by: antlion12 on January 01, 2013, 10:30:56 pm
Post by: aussieevil on January 01, 2013, 10:38:04 pm
Post by: Wolfy on January 01, 2013, 10:43:21 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 02, 2013, 12:22:17 am
Rules could always change, however, we still have months to go.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 02, 2013, 10:40:22 am
Post by: wer6 on January 02, 2013, 01:47:55 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 02, 2013, 07:30:01 pm
Exactly: and Another thing is: one of the adventurers might peirce into the fortress and kill everybody.I think we should have a rule against that.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 03, 2013, 09:13:25 am
We need challenges and competitions
and if one needs help, you could ferry over supplies as an adventurer with demi-god level fighting power to save them from an incoming siege.
We could create whole squads of completely overpowered adventurers and transfer them from one fortress to the other if requested. The other adventurers could join you as companions so you can raid those new elven villages and slaughter everything in your path together. Somebody could embark with tons of building material only to build something like a tavern were we store our greatest treasure. We can massproduce necromancers, lure all the animated monsters to the same site and drop them there as throphies. If we are willing there are thousands of possibilities.
Post by: TheKaspa on January 03, 2013, 10:22:29 am
But I also would like Talvieno as the World Bard.
Post by: wowie on January 03, 2013, 02:07:01 pm
Post by: StLeibowitz on January 04, 2013, 03:00:10 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 04, 2013, 04:08:33 am
I'd like to be a part of this. Purely as a hypothetical, of course, what happens if someone pumps the magma sea up to the surface? Would that affect neighboring forts with a seepage of molten rock?Yes, yes it would.
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I'll join or participate or post occasionally or make semi-unrelated lame jokes or whatever. This sounds like it will be very cool.
Post by: Jimmy on January 04, 2013, 07:08:24 am
When DF was in the early stages of development, I thought for sure it would be impossible to have any kind of multiplayer experience aside from swapping saves around.
Then lo and behold, we have the game able to allow us to construct independent forts and keep them running while they're not being actively played.
Seems like such a small step to take this to the next level of a devoted world server where players log in to their forts.
While it won't happen, the realities of what are coming are still such an amazing development in the game's features.
Post by: wowie on January 04, 2013, 05:31:27 pm
Post by: Volfgarix on January 04, 2013, 05:54:03 pm
Edit: Maybe we will can pour magma at the whole world?
Post by: apiks on January 04, 2013, 06:40:17 pm
Post by: BronzeAge on January 05, 2013, 03:03:32 am
Post by: Absolutis on January 05, 2013, 07:31:46 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 05, 2013, 09:10:51 pm
Fix'd that for you.Maybewe can pour magma at the whole world?!!!
EDIT: Oh yeah, when the new version actually comes out in March or whenever, I think when we gen the world, we should use advanced world generation, not only to allow for a start year of two, but also to fine tune it for the best enjoyment.
I think a smallish world would be best, so that things wont be crossing multiple continents, and we could walk from one side of the continent to the other in about a week of adventer time-scale, so that you can reach more of people's creations faster.
I also think that caves should be set to visible, not just so we can reach the underground without skipping through some one's fort, but so that kobolds would be easier to track down, because you all know how they like dwarven artifacts.
EDIT:
But I also would like Talvieno as the World Bard.This reminds me, since the world keeps on running around us, we would probably want somebody to be in charge of uploading saves as they're passed along to check if anything interesting happens in the world, and report on it.
If we could actually get Talvieno himself to be that person, that would be amazing and epic. Someone should send him a message.
Post by: Shrimp12345 on January 06, 2013, 12:45:40 am
Post by: TheKaspa on January 06, 2013, 03:12:57 am
This reminds me, since the world keeps on running around us, we would probably want somebody to be in charge of uploading saves as they're passed along to check if anything interesting happens in the world, and report on it.
If we could actually get Talvieno himself to be that person, that would be amazing and epic. Someone should send him a message.
What about using a Dropbox Shared Folder? With this method, everyone who is interested could export to legend and have a look.
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 06, 2013, 04:40:38 am
Post by: ☼!!Troll Fur Sock!!☼ on January 06, 2013, 05:15:34 am
Post by: apiks on January 06, 2013, 07:00:52 am
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 06, 2013, 07:19:29 am
What would be cool is if each person's turn had narrative that fitted together somehow - a central plot to the world. I'm thinking of something like that Adventure Mode succession game with the museum. I'll find it and post a link sometime.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 06, 2013, 10:06:39 am
What would be cool is if each person's turn had narrative that fitted together somehow - a central plot to the world. I'm thinking of something like that Adventure Mode succession game with the museum. I'll find it and post a link sometime.I think we should generate the world first and develope the plot afterwards so we can make it fit more into the setting. Things like the location of certain sites and the relations of civilisations to each other are important factors not only for gameplay, but also for imagination.
EDIT: We can stilll make plans though. I already came up with some ideas for adventurers.
Somebody should also write down all the stories and events down in case somebody wants to look up something.
Can somebody tell me who exactly Talvieno is? I couldn't find much useful information through Google.
Post by: Nuttycompa on January 07, 2013, 01:11:32 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 07, 2013, 11:27:08 am
Somebody should also write down all the stories and events down in case somebody wants to look up something.He's not on google, he's another person on the forums.
Can somebody tell me who exactly Talvieno is? I couldn't find much useful information through Google.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 07, 2013, 01:04:45 pm
He's not on googleWelll, I found this
The poems. Goooood stuff.
Post by: SilverDragon on January 08, 2013, 02:12:40 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 09, 2013, 10:02:44 am
Jumping on this before the list gets gigantic.I made a list of the people that would like to participate. I put the name of somebody into brackets if I'm not sure if that person wants to participate or just likes the idea. Tell me if I'm missing someone or have to delete the brackets.
The List:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Are we just waiting for the release now?
Post by: TheKaspa on January 09, 2013, 10:45:38 am
Or, we could pick the founding seven, and prepare dorfing for the others in the next migrant waves.
EDIT: I want to partecipate, but as a dorf, not as an overseer
Post by: Talvieno on January 09, 2013, 11:10:32 am
Also, sign me up for a turn... this sounds like fun. Oh, and if it might be possible... Could we have it modded to have two separate races of dwarves, one "evil", and the other "good"? My reasoning is that players could wage war on the other civ. That sounds like fun in and of itself.
As to the tumblr, yes, that is mine. I haven't posted there since June, and the poetry isn't nearly as good as you say, in my opinion, but thank you for the compliments all the same.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 09, 2013, 11:52:58 am
Post by: TheKaspa on January 09, 2013, 01:21:36 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 09, 2013, 02:00:49 pm
Post by: TheKaspa on January 09, 2013, 02:25:06 pm
Yes, I was referring to the ability to actually embark directly in the underground.
Post by: Bloax on January 09, 2013, 02:50:32 pm
Post by: wer6 on January 09, 2013, 02:58:32 pm
Post by: Glloyd on January 09, 2013, 04:56:47 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 09, 2013, 05:19:48 pm
Wow, a thread that's half about me (for the past two pages)! I am deeply honored. Unfortunately, I don't think I can handle writing two separate full-length stories at once (especially not with the Internet/free time issues I've been having). But since you all asked so nicely... if you really want me, consider me chronologist. Be aware, though, that I'm already behind with the Spearbreakers pdf and may find it difficult-to-impossible to compile one for this (I have no access to mediafire anymore).You could use Filebeam (http://filebeam.com/) instead of mediafire.
Also, sign me up for a turn... this sounds like fun. Oh, and if it might be possible... Could we have it modded to have two separate races of dwarves, one "evil", and the other "good"? My reasoning is that players could wage war on the other civ. That sounds like fun in and of itself.
As to the tumblr, yes, that is mine. I haven't posted there since June, and the poetry isn't nearly as good as you say, in my opinion, but thank you for the compliments all the same.
The idea of evil dwarves seems cool, too.
Wait... Evil dwarves == Holistic spawn!?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 09, 2013, 06:54:04 pm
Wow, this IS starting to sound like a multiplayer game, now.
Also, Woo! We got Talvieno here, hopefully by the time this is released, you might have something to help you out with that, and good luck on your projects!
I getting kinda worried that someone will end up rendering all the non-dwarf races extinct by year 20. But if that happens, I guess we could mod in the ability to embark with them and re-start the dead race. Which sounds totally awesome, by the way.
I wonder if we could get Corai in here to make a kobold adventurer?
Post by: wowie on January 09, 2013, 11:46:01 pm
I will record full unedited screencasts of my turn using http://obsproject.com/ and upload it to http://www.filedropper.com/ for others to fiddle around with.(I have no access to mediafire anymore).You could use Filebeam (http://filebeam.com/) instead of mediafire.
In other news, I will have to wait about 3 to 4 months for my turn to arrive, after DF2013 is released, assuming that all that are ahead of me use their full 7 days.
Post by: Insanity X on January 10, 2013, 12:46:42 am
This seems like a great idea for my first succession game
Post by: apiks on January 10, 2013, 02:07:37 am
I'd like in as well
This seems like a great idea for my first succession game
Except that you'd have to wait a few months for DF2013 to be released since it hasn't been.
Post by: Broken on January 10, 2013, 07:13:30 am
Post by: Vodrilus on January 10, 2013, 11:49:01 am
Count me in! :D
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 10, 2013, 01:14:09 pm
Put me on the list.Broken shared one of his ideas on the first page but didn't ask about participating. He's the number 28 now but I think it's unfair for him to end up at the end of the list and if anyone agrees I'd like to put him on number 8.
Post by: apiks on January 10, 2013, 01:16:06 pm
Put me on the list.Broken shared one of his ideas on the first page but didn't ask about participating. He's the number 28 now but I think it's unfair for him to end up at the end of the list and if anyone agrees I'd like to put him on number 8.
Sure. Why not. There's plenty of time until DF2013 itself is released so what's some additional time to wait?
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 10, 2013, 01:36:22 pm
Post by: eharper256 on January 10, 2013, 05:07:26 pm
Alright, done.Apologies if it wasn't clear in my post, I'm interested in taking part in the joint BAY12 world, you can remove my brackets.
Post by: Insanity X on January 10, 2013, 05:15:31 pm
I can wait, I'll have a good comp by then instead of this laptop.I'd like in as well
This seems like a great idea for my first succession game
Except that you'd have to wait a few months for DF2013 to be released since it hasn't been.
Post by: Scootagoose on January 10, 2013, 05:16:37 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 11, 2013, 12:22:37 pm
Post by: Gavakis on January 11, 2013, 12:30:38 pm
Post by: Gavakis on January 11, 2013, 12:32:34 pm
It could even be DF2014... We don't know how long it will take for The Almighty to complete his plans for the next release.
Its most likely not going to be that far away, because Toady said its coming out soon, but what do I know.
Post by: Talvieno on January 11, 2013, 12:50:46 pm
Post by: Gavakis on January 11, 2013, 12:52:06 pm
With Toady, "soon" means "within six months, if all goes well". You have to read between the lines, see.
"But what do I know."
Post by: Raul on January 11, 2013, 09:14:55 pm
With Toady, "soon" means "within six months, if all goes well". You have to read between the lines, see.Well, he did specify a march release date during the latest DF Talk, IIRC. Still, I've been around for a few years now and I have a feeling it's probably gonna take more than 2 months :P
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 13, 2013, 10:50:18 am
SUNSHINE FOR EVERYDWARF
EDIT: ALSO GNOMEBLIGHT! ISN'T THAT FANTASTIC?!
Post by: TheKaspa on January 13, 2013, 11:12:07 am
I just realized we can have sunberries outside of good areas.
SUNSHINE FOR EVERYDWARF
EDIT: ALSO GNOMEBLIGHT! ISN'T THAT FANTASTIC?!
I have still to master plump helmet, what are sunberries good for?
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 13, 2013, 11:51:40 am
I have still to master plump helmet, what are sunberries good for?Sun berries are an aboveground crop that can only be found in good areas. When brewed they give the most valuable booze in the game, which is called sunshine. As a comparison, dwarven wine has a value of 2, while sunshine has a value of 5.
You can buy sunberries from elven caravans sometimes, but seriously, elves. No way I'm buying that stuff from them.
But that shouldn't be a problem because we can transport them via adventurers in the next version.
As for gnomeblight, it's basically a poison made from a special plant which kills all gnomes it touches. You can have a pit filled with that stuff, throw your gnomes in there and watch them melt or something like that.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 14, 2013, 03:50:53 pm
ALSO GNOMEBLIGHT! ISN'T THAT FANTASTIC?!It would be nice to see some gnomeblight be properly used for once.
I've been thinking about the dark dwarves, how are we going to distinguish them? Are we going to have them like in dark fortresses or actually be thier own race?
Also, what differences would they have? Obviously they would have the BABYSNATCHER token to make them evil, but what else would make them unique without just replacing the goblins with jerkish dwarves?
Post by: TheKaspa on January 15, 2013, 03:37:31 am
They should appear from caverns, and be very fertile.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 15, 2013, 08:39:42 am
- hard to kill, but weak.
- their beards count as bodyparts/ they can use their beards as hands to strangle someone. <--- AWESOME
- playable in adventure mode.
- are getting bad thoughts from sunlight/good weather in fortress mode. It shouldn't kill them.
- they make booze FROM BLOOD
Post by: mastahcheese on January 16, 2013, 08:22:55 pm
- visual differences like dark skin (skin made of stone?), white hair and eyes or no hair and/or eyes at all.
- hard to kill, but weak.
- their beards count as bodyparts/ they can use their beards as hands to strangle someone. <--- AWESOME
- playable in adventure mode.
- are getting bad thoughts from sunlight/good weather in fortress mode. It shouldn't kill them.
- they make booze FROM BLOOD
- visual differences like dark skin (skin made of stone?), white hair and eyes or no hair and/or eyes at all.
This is good, other than the rock skin, we need to have them function the same, as it will basically be a two-side player war, they need to be balanced
- hard to kill, but weak.
Again, balance issues. Same with beard hands.
- playable in adventure mode.
Yes, they would be put in to allow players to fight as good or evil, without any other major changes to their forts' or adventurers' lifestyles.
- are getting bad thoughts from sunlight/good weather in fortress mode. It shouldn't kill them.
I can't think of anyway to do this, unless proper sun-hating will be added in for goblins, and then we might as well just be goblins.
- they make booze FROM BLOOD
No.
They should appear from caverns, and be very fertile.Like caves the way kobolds do? Only have them migrate out to non-cave sites, such as dwarven fortresses and dark towers, until someone make their own Dark Dwarf fortress? Cause that actually sounds pretty cool, making normal dwarves their normal force, but Dark dwarves an almost exclusivly player run operation.
Remember that we probably shouldn't mod out the game to much, since it will be just released when we start.
I think that for the dark dwarves, we need to focus on narrowing down ethics, they shouldn't be clones of goblins.
As for the world itself, in the generation process, any suggestions? Possibly change the numbers of good or evil biomes, for example?
Post by: eharper256 on January 17, 2013, 05:49:13 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 17, 2013, 11:32:18 am
- they make booze FROM BLOODSadly, that is exactly what I expected.
No.
Post by: Talvieno on January 17, 2013, 03:38:29 pm
- visual differences like dark skin (skin made of stone?), white hair and eyes or no hair and/or eyes at all.Making booze from blood is impossible, but making it from other bodyparts isn't. My unreleased Corpse Fortress mod does this. Unfortunately, it makes everything far, far too easy. Especially if you let dwarves butcher sentients. I'm with Mastahcheese's "No." on this one.
- hard to kill, but weak.
- their beards count as bodyparts/ they can use their beards as hands to strangle someone. <--- AWESOME
- playable in adventure mode.
- are getting bad thoughts from sunlight/good weather in fortress mode. It shouldn't kill them.
- they make booze FROM BLOOD
You can't have bad thoughts from sunlight any more than you to start with. That's hardcoded in. Making it so dwarves simply can't live aboveground, as well as trying to make them embark underground, is impossible.
Playable in adventure mode is easy. That's just a line or two in the raws.
Really, I was thinking just regular dwarves, but "evil", as in babysnatchers. Hopefully dark towers/fortresses, which won't be hard - they won't be immortal, so you get the towers. And then give them dark fortresses as a potential place to live.
Dark skin is doable. I agree completely with Mastahcheese's balance issues. We don't want them overpowered.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 18, 2013, 08:15:15 am
Post by: Talvieno on January 18, 2013, 10:19:10 am
Its always good to specify 1-2 large good and large evil biomes, yes.I agree with this. I usually at least double the amount of good and evil biomes, for my own games. Usually a lot more. Toady has it defaulted to an oddly low setting.
Alright.Sorry to disappoint. :-\
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 18, 2013, 11:39:01 am
I had the 'booze from blood'-idea because of the barrels full of useless blood the traders bring sometimes. I just thought it needed some purpose. Adding custom items to the game isn't really necessary in my opinion, it's enough too just change the dwarves appereance.
Is it possible to create custom livestock for the dark dwarves? Like naked cave-bears as a replacement for dogs?
http://i.imgur.com/EqDGT.jpg
Post by: Talvieno on January 18, 2013, 12:00:48 pm
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Adding custom items to the game isn't really necessary in my opinion, it's enough too just change the dwarves appereance.If this is what you want, it's incredibly easy to change armor/weapon names, and create new items that are technically clones of existing ones. For example, having "dark mail" instead of "chainmail", or "demon helms" instead of regular helms.
Easiest of all is to change the dwarven symbols, so that the names are different. Instead of the typical names, you could get names related to murder and death, bloodshed, battles, violence and gore. This would have absolutely no effect on balance whatsoever, and would give the game a subtle "dark dwarf" feel.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 18, 2013, 12:58:27 pm
Post by: Tevish Szat on January 18, 2013, 03:54:46 pm
I would personally guess "Dark Dwarves" to have ethics along these lines --
Assault: Serious Punishment
Eat Sapient Kill: Personal Matter
Eat Sapient Other: Acceptable (Dark Dwarves can butcher sapients)
Kill Animal: Acceptable
Kill Enemy: Required
Kill Entity Member: Capital Punishment
Kill Neutral: Justified if no repercussions
Kill Plant: Acceptable
Lying: Serious Punishment
Make Animal Trophies: Acceptable
Make Same Race Trophies: Personal Matter
Make Sapient Trophies: Acceptable
Oath Breaking: Capital Punishment
Slavery: Required
Theft:
Torture Animals: Personal Matter
Torture as an Example: Acceptable
Torture for Fun: Justified if no repercussions
Torture for Information: Acceptable
Treason: Capital Punishment
Tresspassing: Serious Punishment
Vandalism: Serious Punishment
Dark Dwarves would thus have a very strong distinction between "Self" and "Other". Hurting the "Self" gets at least a serious punishment, while harming the "Other" is at worst regarded as something you engage in if no one's going to stop you. Theft is a... funny issue. On one hand, it would make sense with dark dwarven ethics to have them seriously punish stealing from other dark dwarves, but the Theft ethic determines whether the civ will send thieves to other civs and steal from them... which seems perfectly in character, taking from non-dark-dwarven settlements if they can.
Post by: Talvieno on January 18, 2013, 06:00:34 pm
I should have a look into modding myself, any tips on how I should start?Hmm... Personally, I jumped right into it a little less than a year ago. Using the magmawiki as a crutch, I designed a custom race called "scythods (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=7242)". After that, I started working on other things that never got released, including the infamous manamaids. Jumping right into it seems to be the way to go, I think. If you don't aim high, you won't get anywhere - but the wiki is your friend. On my old laptop I had a good number of the pages bookmarked. Creature tokens, entity tokens, body tokens, etc.
Contrary to what you'd expect, modding entities is a lot harder than modding creatures, simply because there's so much more that can go wrong, and it rarely gives you an error log for what you screwed up. However, it has a lot fewer potential variables... I'd still recommend starting with creatures. Or armor, or something similar. Modding armor gets old fast, though - there's not much you can do with it, and Toady's system doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
@Tevish Szat: Welcome to the thread.
I still don't like the idea of messing with the ethics too much - it impacts gameplay a lot more than you would expect. For a non-player race, I wouldn't mind, but if we're having the first multiplayer world, it would be unfair if we gave one side a major advantage. Butchering sapients actually makes the game ridiculously easy - there's literally no end of soap and food after the first siege (or ambush, even). You never have to worry about either of them again.
Then again, it's just my opinion. A lot of people seem to like the idea of dark dwarves being technically evil instead of just flavorfully so.
Post by: Stoutpants on January 18, 2013, 07:20:09 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on January 19, 2013, 03:04:51 am
Personally, I don't want any mods. At all. We're going to be playing something we haven't yet experienced, and you guys are already planning to make changes to it. Why? We don't know much about DF2013, except for a bunch of random details. We don't know how it will all tie in, we know nothing about the experience D2013 is going to give. We shouldn't change something we've never even seen, just because it would be cool.
I like these dark dwarves. I like the idea of them existing in a game of DF. However, I don't want them in our succession world.
It should be vanilla DF2013 we play, not DF2013: The Mod we Invented Because it Sounded Cool At The Time.
Actually, that's not what this post was supposed to be about at all. But it will only be decided by... A POLL!
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 19, 2013, 05:01:40 am
I would also love a turn on a succession world!You are on the list now.
It should be vanilla DF2013 we play, not DF2013: The Mod we Invented Because it Sounded Cool At The Time.Hmm. Hmm. Hmm. I think... Hmm. Well... true? Maybe. Maybe not. We should really do a poll first.
Post by: Jimmy on January 19, 2013, 05:46:43 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 20, 2013, 12:54:49 pm
If it's anything like the last few big releases, expect it to need major bugfixing after the release.That means we shouldn't start the world immediately. We also get some time to test the new features.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 22, 2013, 07:22:25 pm
My wife trolled me while I was away from the computer.
I've put up a poll to be the decider on whether or not we should mod the new version when it's released, as Yuli proposed.
Personally, I've voted for no mods, if this is the fort for the first succesion world, it should just be the world that Toady One has crafted for us, not our own design. I love the idea of a player-run war on the forums, but maybe in a different tread. Here, I think we should stick with the basics.
Post by: TheKaspa on January 23, 2013, 02:12:42 am
While modding Dark Dwarves would be great (and I'd like to
Post by: kahn1234 on January 23, 2013, 04:15:56 am
imaging the resources from dozens o fortresses.....
UBER MEGA SPACE PIERCING PHALLUS!
PLANET CRACKING MAGMA CANNON!
Huge network of underground tunnels.
etc etc
Post by: TheKaspa on January 23, 2013, 04:36:32 am
Post by: Jimmy on January 23, 2013, 05:34:14 am
i like unicorns
My wife trolled me while I was away from the computer.
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Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 23, 2013, 08:18:03 am
Post by: Inarius on January 23, 2013, 08:41:32 am
And, like many people : no mods ! Not yet !
Post by: mastahcheese on January 23, 2013, 06:32:00 pm
My wife found this hilarious, she says you gave her great ideas, and "thx bro"i like unicorns
My wife trolled me while I was away from the computer.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: TheKaspa on January 24, 2013, 02:39:51 am
Post by: Talvieno on January 24, 2013, 10:15:54 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 24, 2013, 11:38:43 am
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It's amazing that this topic managed to reach 6 pages before derailing...What do you mean the train isn't supposed to skydive?
Post by: TheKaspa on January 24, 2013, 11:55:33 am
Maybe it's because the title is very generic, thus permitting us to space between modding, worldgen, adventure and dwarf mode without going Off Topic in a distinctive way.
Post by: SilverDragon on January 24, 2013, 11:49:53 pm
Post by: Volfgarix on January 25, 2013, 05:47:29 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 25, 2013, 08:18:29 am
Post by: Inarius on January 25, 2013, 08:46:38 am
About DF, I've not reached this point yet, thanks to its extraordinary features. And I won't begin with a mod for now. So if it's with mod, consider I won't be a part of it.
Post by: Volfgarix on January 25, 2013, 10:20:24 am
The poll thinks otherwise ;)
The poll is blocked. I can't vote.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2013, 11:28:15 am
I locked the polling because I thought people had made a decision, I'll unblock it again.The poll thinks otherwise ;)The poll is blocked. I can't vote.
Post by: Volfgarix on January 25, 2013, 01:44:40 pm
Thanks.I locked the polling because I thought people had made a decision, I'll unblock it again.The poll thinks otherwise ;)The poll is blocked. I can't vote.
Post by: SilverDragon on January 25, 2013, 09:11:25 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on January 26, 2013, 01:37:02 am
I vote no mods. Toady is seriously shaking up the raws, if the devlog is any indication, so existing ones probably won't work as intended. For new mods, well, we ought to be a great vanilla benchmark to compare to.
Anyway, with the new claims system, we might not even need to mod to have player wars. We could provoke two different dwarven kingdoms (most worlds generate with about 10 of them on average) into declaring war on each other, and have players pick sides, or maybe even cause a civil war (pending Future of the Fortress reply from Toady.)
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 26, 2013, 05:29:21 am
We could provoke two different dwarven kingdoms (most worlds generate with about 10 of them on average) into declaring war on each other, and have players pick sides, or maybe even cause a civil war (pending Future of the Fortress reply from Toady.)True. I'll put you on the list.
I was thinking about the 'huge network of underground tunnels'-thing. We can't build walls or dig away walls at the edge of the map. The only way to connect fortresses would be through natural caves.
OR HELL.
Post by: TheKaspa on January 26, 2013, 08:01:51 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 26, 2013, 09:52:42 am
This is disturbingly reminding me about The Dwarves, a book that I'd rather forget. Not that I didn't appreciate it, but because of its sequels.Sounds familiar. Is it about multiple dwarven kingdoms in a mountain range surrounding a country that is constantly being threatened by all kinds of monsters?
Post by: TheKaspa on January 26, 2013, 11:00:42 am
This is disturbingly reminding me about The Dwarves, a book that I'd rather forget. Not that I didn't appreciate it, but because of its sequels.Sounds familiar. Is it about multiple dwarven kingdoms in a mountain range surrounding a country that is constantly being threatened by all kind of monsters?
The first book was ok, even very interesting (the underground rush to the forge was awesome, and it's what brought this to my memory).
The other books looked promising, but then inserterd subplots and characters not so enjoyable, in my opinion. Some of them were added, I think, just to offer pretest to keep writing. Plus, they shifted the focus from the dwarves (the reason of why the story was interesting, as it's not something common in fantasy) to the more canonical races.
I am afraid I never read the final ones, since they were impossible to find in italian and I didn't wanted to read them in english - the originial language, german, was never considered as I don't know it.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 26, 2013, 02:14:27 pm
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By the way, the train just broke the sound barrier, got lost somewhere in the bermuda triangle's tectonic plate and has a appointment with the queen at seven o'clock.
Post by: SilverDragon on January 26, 2013, 06:36:36 pm
Post by: Raul on January 26, 2013, 06:43:52 pm
I like trains.Do you like turtles as well?
Post by: SilverDragon on January 26, 2013, 06:51:47 pm
Maaaaybe...I like trains.Do you like turtles as well?
Post by: WillowLuman on January 26, 2013, 07:05:35 pm
"Topic police!"
Post by: Lightningfalcon on January 27, 2013, 02:57:22 am
I do not want to imagine how big the file size would be thou.
Post by: TheKaspa on January 27, 2013, 04:01:54 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 27, 2013, 08:29:44 am
I would join this.I'll put you on the list.
Was thinking... we should try to build a mega-underground place, populate it with Orcs and then try a reclaim à la MoriaI don't know how we are supposed to realize that. What about caging up hundreds of goblins and releasing them at our adventurers in packs of 10?
Post by: TheKaspa on January 27, 2013, 08:52:34 am
Post by: WillowLuman on January 27, 2013, 12:27:44 pm
Post by: SilverDragon on January 27, 2013, 11:43:51 pm
Post by: Lightningfalcon on January 27, 2013, 11:59:02 pm
Post by: Tevish Szat on January 28, 2013, 12:17:38 am
That said, sign me up... I was worried the list might be too long, but with time-sensitive turns and multiple forts/adventurers running, I've reached the conclusion it shouldn't hit the same problem succession forts tend to somewhere between years 10 and 20
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 28, 2013, 01:07:16 pm
Thrain's party, then Balin's, then maybe we'll get to Durin the Last after a few very brief embarks.
Gandalf gonna give it to y'all.
Post by: Inarius on January 28, 2013, 06:10:54 pm
Post by: Tevish Szat on January 28, 2013, 06:13:57 pm
I had once a couple of minotaurs which served to dispose of uninvited guests. Should be fun if they could reproduce...Interesting... I would have bet on the uninvited guests.
Post by: SilverDragon on January 28, 2013, 06:18:42 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on January 28, 2013, 06:45:23 pm
I had once a couple of minotaurs which served to dispose of uninvited guests. Should be fun if they could reproduce...
I've seen other mega- and semi-megabeasts reproduce successfully during worldgen. If you make sure minotaurs have the proper tags, and keep a male and female uncaged in their own little labyrinth in your fort (with no access besides the hole in the ceiling you tossed them in through) they may well reproduce. It'd be worth a shot, at least.
And in the next version, having an army of minotaurs in your basement means having an army of minotaurs wandering the countryside... It'll be lots of Fun!
Post by: WillowLuman on January 28, 2013, 07:39:53 pm
Post by: Inarius on January 29, 2013, 04:35:37 am
And, as I threw dwarves in it, after killing a few of them with their horns, they grabbed...socks. Or Pants. or Coats. But nothing really dangerous. And they kept beating (already injuried) dwarves during sometimes 3 or 6 months with a sock.
A minotaur can be dangerous, but not always :)
Post by: WillowLuman on January 29, 2013, 01:14:17 pm
Post by: Inarius on January 29, 2013, 04:35:37 pm
Once they have been beaten during several months, they are super tough, super strong and super agile. To recover them, you just have to launch other guys in the hole, and the minotaur changes his target. Then, you open the door and "unborrow" the injuried guy (and unclaim all other items). The guy will be frozen in this state for years, until you kill the minotaur.
You can keep 1, 2, 3, or 10 dwarves if you want, they don't need to eat, drink or sleep they don't feel unhappy. They just sleep where the dwarves put them. Once the minotaur is killed, you have to act very quickly and you can save several dwarves and make them super soldiers.
Well, anyway, it's a little off-topic, but building a labyrinth with minotaurs and treasurers under a fortress is a cool idea.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 02, 2013, 05:53:33 am
Well, anyway, it's a little off-topic, but building a labyrinth with minotaurs and treasurers under a fortress is a cool idea.I don't think this is off-topic. It would be awesome if someone actually build this. Does somebody have any other ideas? I still think we should build an 'adventurers tavern' as some sort of base for our adventurers . Somebody could start a regular fortress, gather the building materials needed for the taverns construction, build it and then seal of the fort, killing every dwarf inside so they won't wander around the site later. Multiple 'Dungeons' like the minotaur one would also be a good idea.
Post by: Inarius on February 02, 2013, 03:39:56 pm
Post by: SilverDragon on February 02, 2013, 04:32:23 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on February 02, 2013, 04:42:56 pm
Wall off the entrance to a mountain valley, build an enormous dam. See if the whole thing fills up with an embark at the back of the valley. Go between them as an adventurer to eliminate the map edge problem.
Post by: SilverDragon on February 02, 2013, 04:46:35 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 03, 2013, 03:36:37 am
Of course it would take years to build as a forteress, but it could serve as a basis for many adventurer stories !Right, it would take alot of time until somebody finishes his or hers first project, expecially with a long sucession list. Does somebody know if designation will be saved if you abandone the fort to come back later? It would make working on a fort together easier.
Also, Toady posted this:
Quote from: Eggman360
With the upcoming update, say three Barons/Counts/Dudes are vying for power, and in adventure mode I Butcher two "Convince them to revoke their claims" via my axe, will the 3rd account for this and take power? Or will the dead leaders' sons/daughters/Wives/demon-spawn take over the claims and carry them on?
Quote from: monk12
So if a Dwarven Count has a claim on an open King position, and dies before that claim is resolved, will his heir (or whoever takes over the Count position) pursue that claim on the King position, or will they abandon it if there are other claimants already vying for it?
Quote from: Eggman360
Will titles be handed down if they are hereditary, such as kings with a line of succession handed down via relatives and bloodlines, do you think the game will account for this I mean? I don't mean the positions and titles themselves, but the claims to those positions? For example a Duke is killed and a Count lays claim to his *Empty* position, will the son of the now dead Duke also have a claim? Or will the son just automatically be made Duke regardless of the claim by the Count? I Guess what I'm asking is could a character have a claim to a position that isn't vacant? And if so will a dispute such as that stop the position being filled once the current holder dies?
The claims are made by historical figures, so the child will re-evaluate and make up their mind. That doesn't involve much now, but they do get to decide. They don't think about how their parent was involved for instance, even if that should be one of the factors. If there's just a single claim for a while, that remaining person will get the spot (though I imagine that'll be subject to some extra testing later). If the position is hereditary and their is an heir, the heir gets the spot before anybody else even has their claim AI kick in, but I imagine that's not going to stop historical figures later on from continuing to fuss.
Assassin's Guilds anyone?
Post by: Inarius on February 03, 2013, 04:46:12 am
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Right, it would take a lot of time until somebody finishes his or hers first project, especially with a long succession list. Does somebody know if designation will be saved if you abandon the fort to come back later? It would make working on a fort together easier.
I wasn't thinking of that. I think more of this as a preliminary.
Before beginning some people build their own fortress, leaving it when they feel it's done. After that, the succession game can begin.
It makes more things to see as an adventurer, and it doesn't change anything for the succession game as a Fortress.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 03, 2013, 10:38:56 am
I think it's time for us to get our basic rules down. World size, lenght of turns,....
The succession list:
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Post by: kerlc on February 03, 2013, 10:41:25 am
Post by: WillowLuman on February 03, 2013, 01:20:55 pm
Post by: Inarius on February 03, 2013, 02:02:29 pm
Then, the succession games happen, on this particular map. Of course, you don't visit your own fortress (in case the people playing the succession game also plays as adventurer). But it gives more "reality" to the game, with "humain" fortresses already on it.
You could then find artifacts, and if these fortress are well done, some big monsters hidden in it.
It's just an idea.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 03, 2013, 08:52:08 pm
That should be great. I was also thinking of that, this morning. Building a huge maze with many traps, hidden levers and big monster (and treasures) on several levels. . Of course it would take years to build as a forteress, but it could serve as a basis for many adventurer stories !Actually, I was planning on using my first turn to try to gen a world with a volcano in the middle for magma forges, and make a sort of world-forge that people could use as they pleased.
Also, since dwarves will be moving between sites and whatnot, people who have dwarfed will have to be listed on somebodies post, (probably my OP for when I start a new thread for when this actually begins) so that we don't end up with multiple dwarves with the same name in different parts of the world.
That said, I think we'll need to figure out who, on the list, wants a turn, just wants to be dwarfed, and so on in a more organized list, so we know who to dwarf as soon as dwarves are avaliable, and who wants to wait until their own turn so they can make their dwarf an adventurer.
Also, thanks Yuli Vlasi for the list updates.
I was thinking of having the turns be 48 hours long from the time you download the save, with 24 hours time from the last uploader's post to reply.
If that made no sense, because I'm bad at explaining, Player A uploads new save, Player B has 24 hours to respond and download the save, and then 48 hours to play and have the new save uploaded, at which point Player C has 24 hours to reply.
Any suggestions on changes in turn length? I want people to have enough time to do what they want yet still be flexible to personal schedules, without taking too long.
With those times, It would still take somewhere from 2 to 3 months for the 37th person on the list. MAN, that's a long line...
Post by: WillowLuman on February 03, 2013, 09:11:59 pm
World forge? Don't you mean Fort-forge?
Post by: Inarius on February 04, 2013, 01:07:25 am
Post by: WillowLuman on February 04, 2013, 01:12:24 am
Post by: SilverDragon on February 04, 2013, 01:30:43 am
Post by: zacen299 on February 04, 2013, 02:37:55 am
Post by: mocman on February 04, 2013, 03:42:15 am
(1) TURN DURATION:
______options for resnability 48-96h per
As some of you were suggesting.
(2) FORTRESS/ADVETURE INTERACTIONS:
___(A) Eighther no messing with people's stuff unless aloud
___(B) Teams/faction warfare of fortresses, adventures being "mercinaries"
___(C) Total uter chaos (unleashing fun)
I like b within reason of course.
(3) THERE ARE 37 PEOPLE!
___ I'm new to succession and like to join but that seems like a lot
Is it and if it is would we need to have 2-3 players per fort to keep
file size reasonable since it would get big quick.
Anyway that's my voice into this thing and this seriously interest me
I dedicate my fort as the "Advetures' Hub and Museum of Artifacts"
Combined with a "Mini-Mart & Hotel."
Add me to the list please.
Post by: SilverDragon on February 04, 2013, 04:10:03 am
Post by: Inarius on February 04, 2013, 04:12:06 am
1\ No beginning before we are sure that the release is fully finished (bugs included). It is better to wait 2 more weeks if necessary, than beginning and have to abandon it before its end because of non compatible version or killing bugs.
2\ The world is generated, and there is a first turn of people who wants to leave a forteress on it. These people will write their story about it, but this will not be published until the very end of the succession game. By this way, we will have a double surprise (Adventurers will discover forteress which already exists, and have their own stories, but they will not know this story or map or of what they died (if they did, which is better of course). So we will read, after the end, two stories. The one from the ruler(s), and the one from the adventurer(s) !).
3\ When the turn of forteresses is over, it's time to play as adventurers and visit the world, and play the succession game.
What do you think ?
Post by: SilverDragon on February 04, 2013, 04:23:17 am
Post by: wowie on February 04, 2013, 06:19:00 am
We should begin like this.
1\ No beginning before we are sure that the release is fully finished (bugs included). It is better to wait 2 more weeks if necessary, than beginning and have to abandon it before its end because of non compatible version or killing bugs.
2\ The world is generated, and there is a first turn of people who wants to leave a forteress on it. These people will write their story about it, but this will not be published until the very end of the succession game. By this way, we will have a double surprise (Adventurers will discover forteress which already exists, and have their own stories, but they will not know this story or map or of what they died (if they did, which is better of course). So we will read, after the end, two stories. The one from the ruler(s), and the one from the adventurer(s) !).
3\ When the turn of forteresses is over, it's time to play as adventurers and visit the world, and play the succession game.
What do you think ?
I think it might be better if you allowed adventurers in at intervals, like, after every X number of
fortresses an adventurer could play, and after that adventure the next wave of story chapters is released.
Adventurers add their own special kind of FUN to the mix, and we can't leave them until the very end, because that would be boring.
I plan on adventuring, by the way, so I'd be mad if I got pushed to the back of the line just because somebody wanted to segregate gamemodes.
Then again, I may have misunderstood your post. I found it very hard to read, for some reason.
Post by: Inarius on February 04, 2013, 07:49:42 am
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for some reason.Sorry, english is not my main language.
I agree with what you said ; but what i proposed is that, as a preliminary, BEFORE the succession game (which, as you said, can be both adv or fortress mode), we put some forteresses on the map to create more challenges/opportunities for the players who will come after. As the time of playing will be limited to only 2, or 3 days (or even a week) we won't have the time to build big fortress with labyrinths, creatures and treasures hidden, and organized things.
What I propose it something "out" and BEFORE the succession game, which can serve as a support for thrilling challenges. It's not at all a "segregate" playing, because during the succession game it will still be both modes.
I hope I have been clearer. But, anyway, it's just a proposition.
Post by: kerlc on February 04, 2013, 09:27:39 am
On adventures and such:
I think it might be better if you allowed adventurers in at intervals, like, after every X number of+1
fortresses an adventurer could play, and after that adventure the next wave of story chapters is released.
Adventurers add their own special kind of FUN to the mix, and we can't leave them until the very end, because that would be boring.
I plan on adventuring, by the way, so I'd be mad if I got pushed to the back of the line just because somebody wanted to segregate gamemodes.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 04, 2013, 12:01:20 pm
I'd also prefer a timelimit of one week, although I know that it could take almost a year for everyone to be able to contribute. Even if the player has a whole week to finish his turn it he should try to do it as quickly as possible. Just add 'Think about the others waiting for you to finish your turn.
I like mastahcheese's world-forge idea. I probably imagine it completely different from what he does but it involves volcanoes, so that's fine.
On behalf of all who don't post, I welcome you to the 2013 Dwarf fortress Community world! Enjoy your stay!part of the crew, part of the ship,part of the crew, part of the ship,part of the crew, part of the ship,....
+1
(2) FORTRESS/ADVETURE INTERACTIONS:
...
___(C) Total uter chaos (unleashing fun)
I usually don't have alot of forts in one world, so I have no idea if too many fortresses would slow the game down. Any experienced people here?
As for the worlds size, I vote for 'small'.
Post by: Bralbaard on February 04, 2013, 01:18:40 pm
Adventurers probably contribute as much too filesize as new fortresses do, because they explore previously ungenerated terrain, that has to be saved to disk afterwards.
Also, why start just one game if waiting times are an issue? There's enough interest to start several.
Post by: kerlc on February 04, 2013, 01:30:30 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on February 04, 2013, 05:10:48 pm
(2) FORTRESS/ADVETURE INTERACTIONS:I personally vote for B, but permision should should still be needed to mess with stuff too much.
___(A) Eighther no messing with people's stuff unless aloud
___(B) Teams/faction warfare of fortresses, adventures being "mercinaries"
___(C) Total uter chaos (unleashing fun)
'Think about the others waiting for you to finish your turn.Definitly add that to the rules, and I vote small map size, as well.Imagine what horrible things they would do to you if you didn't.' to the rules and it should be fine.
As for the worlds size, I vote for 'small'.
Having several worlds at once could be fun. But I'd much preffer if we'd just stick to one sole world.I agree with this, too.
Post by: James009 on February 04, 2013, 06:27:12 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on February 04, 2013, 07:00:46 pm
Anyway, for adventurers, you can retire in a hamlet if you want to continue whatever quest you were on later, or you can retire to a dwarven site and wind up as a migrant for one of the fortress players. I think you could still continue your adventure after that (if you didn't die in the events of a fort) but you'd be moved possibly out of your path. Anyway, you could choose your site (human, elf, or dwarf) depending on how much you want others messing with your character.
Should we update the poll, seeing as modding probably isn't required for a player war?
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 06, 2013, 03:02:26 pm
Post by: kerlc on February 06, 2013, 03:10:16 pm
Do we know for sure we can use our adventurer's items in fortress mode? If you kill and butcher a dragon and leave it's skin in a fortress, would it be possible for your dwarves to make leather from it? Or would it rot away first?Sounds !!SCIENCE!! worthy! We shall have to test this immediately!
Post by: wowie on February 06, 2013, 04:35:49 pm
Having several worlds at once could be fun. But I'd much prefer if we'd just stick to one sole world.WALL OF TEXT INCOMING!
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Post by: Sindain on February 06, 2013, 05:51:04 pm
Having several worlds at once could be fun. But I'd much prefer if we'd just stick to one sole world.WALL OF TEXT INCOMING!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Considering we have ~40 people now, multiple worlds sounds like a good idea. I don't think we should have too many, maybe one for every 10-15 players or so? If we do have multiple worlds, we should make sure to split up into different threads, of course.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 06, 2013, 06:29:05 pm
It would be very confusing to have three or four succession games operating under the same overarching thread titles or whatever.
I also think Manze has the right idea, dating the players' turns and linking to the uploaded files in the players' usernames, and I also like Bralbaard providing links to players' posts during their turns. That's all good bookkeeping there.
Do we know for sure we can use our adventurer's items in fortress mode? If you kill and butcher a dragon and leave it's skin in a fortress, would it be possible for your dwarves to make leather from it? Or would it rot away first?Sounds !!SCIENCE!! worthy! We shall have to test this immediately!
I can confirm that in the current version at least, food and other perishable items do not rot too rapidly. At least not between an adventurer tossing them on the ground, dying, and a fortress being founded where the adventurer left his stuff. I butchered a dragon and cooked up it's meat and hide in a fortress without problem. Well, until my dwarves spontaneously combusted, but gods only know what caused that. They were outdoors, too, standing on the embark wagon.
Post by: BronzeAge on February 06, 2013, 09:05:17 pm
And since this is pretty much the first bit of freetime I've had what I said might not make all that much sense so:
-file-size- we'll see.
-don't divide into new worlds yet, we'll see what happens.
-have Fun.
Post by: WillowLuman on February 07, 2013, 01:43:00 am
And supporting Eric, in the current version at least, stuff doesn't tend to rot. I have personally left meat and skins in a fort from adventure mode, embarked/abandonded repeatedly causing twenty years to pass, and still found them completely unrotten. Of course, the test was to see if the baby that the human caravan left behind would grow up, which it did not, but still I found many other interesting things.
The update to continue worldgen processes could mean that items within sites get updated better, though.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 09, 2013, 01:35:09 pm
Dividing the players into different worlds to decrease waiting time sounds like a smart idea to me but I don't like it. If anyone wants to start an own succession world nothing is going to stop them. I'd like to stick with this one.
Personally, I think our main game should be testing the unmodded release, providing great and highly visible feedback and info for everyone.1) Yes.
2) As long as this doesn't become a priority and we start focusing on other things than fun.
Post by: Remuthra on February 09, 2013, 01:36:35 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 09, 2013, 01:50:38 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on February 09, 2013, 01:54:53 pm
I think we should reset it and reword the answers to only include modding, and then do another poll to see who wants a player war.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 10, 2013, 01:03:12 am
I think we should reset it and reword the answers to only include modding, and then do another poll to see who wants a player war.Just fixed it and reset it.
Post by: kerlc on February 10, 2013, 02:39:44 am
Post by: Talvieno on February 10, 2013, 12:40:01 pm
(this is along the lines of Eric Blank's suggestion)
What I thought I said was that as we have (or had, now) an equal number of votes, that we could split the fort up into two worlds. One world would be with modding, the other without - and players could switch between at will. This would be a nightmare to manage, though... There would be so many variables, and keeping track of two sets of lore at the same time would be confusing beyond belief. If we have two threads, it makes us twice as likely to get a real, lasting world... But again, everything is split between two halves. It'd be coolest if we had one world with hundreds of fortresses, but when you think about it... how long would that take, if 90% of the week people are given, they're not here?
That brings me to another potential issue (I don't know if it's been addressed). As we've seen with Spearbreakers (and countless other forts), if people don't get to the save quickly, they lose interest. A huge list might not be to our best interests... but I don't know. Just my thoughts.
A particularly cruel, but quick-moving possibility is that people get to play their forts until the first dwarf dies, and then they get a month of gametime to close it up. There is no conceivable way someone can keep this from happening, no matter what, and it would take a lot less than a week, especially if turns ran on a first-come-first-serve basis. I'm not actually for this idea... I'm just throwing it out there, trying to come up with creative solutions to solve the problem that the last succession world had. lol
As to modding, if it's all or nothing, I'm against... I still like the idea of two regular dwarven civs duking it out.
Post by: WillowLuman on February 10, 2013, 03:02:54 pm
A week doesn't have to be a minimum, but rather a maximum. We can just encourage people to finish as fast as possible, with one week being the utmost. As with the last world, we might also lose people as they realize they don't have time to play.
Post by: Tevish Szat on February 10, 2013, 03:26:34 pm
I'd be against the "Pass it off if anybody dies" option, if only because the greatest projects tend to consume dwarven lives as a resource, which ranges between melting an unlucky miner or two to set up magma industries, to devouring workers like candy for particularly insane megaprojects. Pass off if anydwarf dies would encourage a very conservative strategy and not lead to much fun. And when fun starts, you could go through a dozen overseers in short order as the fort tears itself apart over the course of a year, some Urist McIdiot dying every month. would probably be harder to pull out of than with an overseer with a year gametime or week realtime to try to fix the fort.
As for modding, if we're all or nothing I'm against it. Would I mind modding to fix vampires, or quietly sweep aquifers under the rug? no, but at the same time I'd like to play a game that's essentially Vanilla DF at heart
Post by: WillowLuman on February 10, 2013, 03:34:20 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 16, 2013, 08:29:36 am
The world:
Small-sized, with a volcano in the middle,
The succession list:
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I feel like the rules-part misses alot of information. Please add something.
Multiple players should work together on one fortress to speed up the building process, like someone already suggested. These 'teams' could fight each other in player wars.
Post by: Broken on February 16, 2013, 11:50:59 am
in time will be much easier.
Post by: Eric Blank on February 16, 2013, 03:07:47 pm
Post by: Kalemyr Skyfire on February 16, 2013, 03:17:01 pm
Well I hope there's enough room for everyone's fortress, I mean we are on a small world after all. The 1 week time limit is a good idea.
About the player-wars do we get anything if we win? (Besides anger and bragging rights of course ;D)
Post by: WillowLuman on February 16, 2013, 05:48:54 pm
For instance, if you wipe out an enemy fortress and take a handsome adamantine item for your own faction.
Medium world sounds perfectly fine to me. Should keep things expansive but decent file size.
Post by: Giver99 on February 16, 2013, 09:14:17 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 17, 2013, 06:50:23 am
Im in 8)Yes, you are.
The reason I'd prefer a 'small' world is that all the interesting stuff like cities etc. would be closer to each other, so we won't have to walk huge distances in adventure mode. A bigger world would have some advantages too, like more stuff to explore and more interesting locations for our projects. It would be weird if our fortresses would keep piling up next to each other because the 'no aquifier-deep metal-shallow metal-flux stone' combination is limited to one single biome.
As for the reward for winning a player war, it really can be anything. The wars can be about who has the fanciest furniture, the biggest
What about conquering the enemie's fortresses in adventure mode?
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 17, 2013, 07:15:12 am
1) Respect the stuff other players made. You may steal their artifacts and kill their dwarves and adventurers, but do not do anything that completely ruins what they created on purpose. If you take over a fortress, you are not allowed to flood it or do anything that makes it impossible for other players to conquer it back. You can hide artifacts in your own fortresses, but do not wall them in or destroy them in magma. It is part of the world and it is not to be deleted from it without its creators permission on purpose.
Do not hide stuff at the bottom of the ocean.
2) Act in your factions interest, your are a team after all. If you plan to betray them and join the enemy you should reflect that in your storytelling.
3) As for the storytelling, write down
4) Try to stay 'realistic'. If the enemy has built a fortress at the passage to another continent so your civilisation 'can't pass without their permission' you shouldn't just build your own fortress on that continent. If somebody built a huge bridge over the ocean and wants you to pay taxes for using it, do not just swim past it in adventure mode, even if you can. You either pay the appropriate price, try to sneak by or pick up a fight.
5) Remember there is non-lethal combat. Think twice when you are about to kill the other player's favorite adventurer.
Post by: SilverDragon on February 17, 2013, 05:12:35 pm
Post by: mocman on February 17, 2013, 05:31:26 pm
It's twice the size of a small and half the size of medium
Post by: WillowLuman on February 17, 2013, 09:38:08 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on February 18, 2013, 11:36:57 am
How about a map size of 65:129Sounds good to me.
It's twice the size of a small and half the size of medium
Problem with small world is that we only have about 5 megabeasts, though, which rules out, say, roc breeding programs.Can't we increase the number of megabeast without increasing the worlds size?
Post by: Inarius on February 18, 2013, 11:41:57 am
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Can't we increase the number of megabeast without increasing the worlds size?
Yes, you can.
Post by: mastahcheese on February 18, 2013, 12:29:07 pm
Post by: Tevish Szat on February 18, 2013, 12:41:36 pm
The world should be cooked with a LONG potential history... but worldgen stopped at a low percentage of beast deaths, so that there are still more than enough for adventurers and fortress defense. We should also gen with a LOT of beasts, with caves to support them
We should gen more good, evil, and volcanoes than standard, because all those traits make for "premium" sites that will be in high demand early.
If we can get more than one big land mass, that would be a plus. Similarly, more than one ocean (hopefully three saltwater biomes with separate alignments) would be a good thing. Again, this is so there are sites for whatever anybody wants to do somewhere. Face zombie giant sperm whales? 'Recruit' mermaids into your spa-and-resort-for-adventurers? It ought to be doable.
Post by: Inarius on February 18, 2013, 02:08:20 pm
I personally like worlds with
- a fair amount of water (between 0% and +50% than normal)
- a high number of oceans (x2 or x3)
- 0 partial edge or complete edge oceans.
- You have then to reduce the other minimal square count or you will never have any world.
Is these worlds, you can have very long isthmus (because the number of ocean regions must be very high, but NOT on the edges), and then narrow strips of land which connect two continents.
It's very interesting because you can build fortresses on two continents, and reduce A LOT travels. These cities could be strategic points.
Post by: WillowLuman on February 18, 2013, 03:38:18 pm
Post by: Korbac on February 18, 2013, 05:36:50 pm
OHOHOHHOHOHOHHOHO.
Recruiting all yo dudes and going mental on someone's fortress would be amusing (with their consent, of course.) :)
Post by: Giver99 on February 22, 2013, 01:11:46 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on February 22, 2013, 06:50:56 pm
i will agree to those rules when do we start??how do i set my profile Pic??Well, we can't start until Toady actually releases the new version. And... that's a bit off-topic, but try the "modify profile" button.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 02, 2013, 06:29:43 am
I'd suggest...I agree with all of this.
...And this too.
It's very interesting because you can build fortresses on two continents, and reduce A LOT travels. These cities could be strategic points.
If our adventurers really fight for the sake of their faction they probably will become enemies in the eyes of some civilisation sooner or later and will be attacked by members of these civilisations, including other adventurers. Because of that our adventurers tavern could quickly turn into a slaughter house.
Which is awesome.
Reposting some stuff:
The succession list:
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Post by: SilverDragon on March 02, 2013, 08:01:50 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 02, 2013, 09:08:43 am
I was thinking of building a series of docks, not that they would be useful, or anything.But you...
Forget about it, I'll fix it.
One million imaginary dwarfbucks to the one that collects one of every kind of golden coins, one million dwarfbucks for every demon corpse thrown into the volcanoe, one million ....
Seriously, we should make up challenges and give away totally useless points to the teams that manage to suceed.
By the way, when are we going to form said teams? After world gen?
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 02, 2013, 03:03:19 pm
I'm forming Team McSock. All of our forts/entities shall be sock-related, and we shall embark on the epic quest of creating the most valuable sock possible, but without Planepacked glitches.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 02, 2013, 11:09:20 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 03, 2013, 01:58:15 am
Post by: SilverDragon on March 03, 2013, 02:02:26 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 03, 2013, 04:47:57 am
I'm forming Team McSock. All of our forts/entities shall be sock-related, and we shall embark on the epic quest of creating the most valuable sock possible.Well, I'm definetely not joining that :D But I like the idea.
I think we should see the world first, because if we form teams first we might be missing out on cool story opportunities.True.
If there was a dragon team I'd be on that sooooo quick.Do you mean 'We are nice to dragons'-team or 'We fucking murder every of those pesky lizards'-team? 'Cause I think it would be awesome if we created a cloak made of the most dangerous creatures our world has to offer, icluding dragons.
Post by: Inarius on March 03, 2013, 04:54:42 am
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'Cause I think it would be awesome if we created a cloak made of the most dangerous creatures our world has to offer, icluding dragons.
It could be cool, if only dragon leather was different from pinguin leather, or cow leather.
Post by: SilverDragon on March 03, 2013, 04:58:06 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 03, 2013, 05:08:08 am
It's not about how much the product will be worth. It's about collecting rare items and making stuff out of them.Quote'Cause I think it would be awesome if we created a cloak made of the most dangerous creatures our world has to offer, icluding dragons.
It could be cool, if only dragon leather was different from pinguin leather, or cow leather.
And then kill each other for the right to own the stuff.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 03, 2013, 02:25:45 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 03, 2013, 02:41:44 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 03, 2013, 02:47:01 pm
[REMOVE_MATERIAL:LEATHER]
Post by: Eric Blank on March 03, 2013, 02:52:52 pm
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:DRAGON_SCALE_TEMPLATE]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:LEATHER:DRAGON_SCALE_LEATHER_TEMPLATE]
And thus, you can define a unique material for both the animal's skin while it is alive, and the leather produced from it's hide.
Your solution does truly require less modding, though.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 03, 2013, 03:02:33 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 03, 2013, 07:19:07 pm
Same with "team Werebeast"
Post by: Eric Blank on March 04, 2013, 11:20:53 am
Post by: WillowLuman on March 04, 2013, 04:04:29 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 04, 2013, 11:12:54 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 05, 2013, 01:04:52 am
Post by: SilverDragon on March 05, 2013, 01:56:21 am
So, tannable dragons, it's a mod so simple and inconsequential it doesn't really count as a mod.+1
Post by: WillowLuman on March 05, 2013, 02:20:01 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 05, 2013, 03:06:01 pm
Post by: mocman on March 05, 2013, 04:47:53 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 05, 2013, 06:37:33 pm
What COULD have a serious impact is adding the CHILD tag to dragons so that they can breed.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 05, 2013, 11:24:04 pm
The worst that could happen is the humans sending magmaproof soldiers at their foes.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 06, 2013, 03:52:22 am
So, it wouldn't give fireproof socks to everyone, but rather only to player-controlled fortresses and adventurers hardcore enough to take down and skin a good-sized dragon. They can already have magma-proof socks if they make them out of adamantine, so in terms of things only gainable via player achievement, it doesn't change balance at all.
Post by: Inarius on March 06, 2013, 04:45:38 am
It will be a good thing if, someday, Toady change the leather stuff. But, before that, I think we should let it as it is now.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 06, 2013, 11:09:31 pm
Dragons can already breed, since egg-layers don't require the [CHILD] tag (GCS lacks both that tag and egg definitions).Really? I thought the wiki said something different.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 06, 2013, 11:32:07 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 07, 2013, 12:23:06 am
The whole dragon-socks thing I just mentioned because someone wanted to kill one and make a fireproof cloak. I'm fine with leaving the whole scale thing alone.
The main reason I don't want mods is so we can play with new mechanics, instead of immediately trying to mod based on what we know from 34.11. Remember that worlds generally generate with many separate dwarf kingdoms. Judging by devlogs, with the new faction and claim system it might be possible to provoke a war between 2 of them (probably with adventurers), thus allowing a completely vanilla player war.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 07, 2013, 11:23:17 am
Post by: mastahcheese on March 07, 2013, 12:03:04 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 07, 2013, 11:16:14 pm
Dragonbone armor is fine too.I suppose (if necessary) we mod in a few adventure mode reactions like leather and bonecarving, that would be possible.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 08, 2013, 08:38:22 am
Post by: Inarius on March 08, 2013, 10:25:47 am
Post by: Giver99 on March 08, 2013, 03:31:01 pm
Post by: SilverDragon on March 08, 2013, 04:14:30 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 08, 2013, 06:26:24 pm
I'd prefer we wouldn't, like the poll says.
Same for me. Can't we just play the game Toady proposes to us, first ?
Good point(s?). I suppose I'm just jumping ahead and 'assuming' Toady won't add cool things to adventurer mode, seeing as he hasn't done so for any update thus far.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 09, 2013, 05:53:16 am
The update is going to be friggin awesome.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 09, 2013, 02:13:15 pm
Climb up house in sneak, jump down on gobbos using the elemental power of surprise.
Post by: Mesa on March 09, 2013, 02:31:19 pm
Sign me in, please.
But we've gotta wait for DF2013 to come around here first...
When is it happening anyway? Any rough estimates?
Post by: Inarius on March 09, 2013, 03:40:42 pm
I think now that it will be late May, or mid June. But it's only my opinion.
Post by: mocman on March 10, 2013, 03:41:39 am
I believe this update introduces multitude trees is that true?
When this Succesion starts will there be a new tread? It would make it a lot neater
Post by: SilverDragon on March 10, 2013, 03:53:30 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 10, 2013, 07:15:32 am
For one, it sounds like it will enable Assassin's Creed.
Climb up house in sneak, jump down on gobbos using the elemental power of surprise.
I)
Max all of your adventurers stats related to killing stuff and movement.
II)
Become a vampire
III)
Find a city occupied by goblins or a goblin fortress.
IV)
Mass-murder every single one of those fuckers.
V)
Pile up their corpses around a throne in an abandoned mountainhome
VI)
Nickname yourself as 'Bloodlord'
VII)
Take a seat and retire
I'm defenitely going
Succession Worlds, coming soon to a world near you?Communist pony joins the party. Welcome.
Sign me in, please.
I believe this update introduces multitude trees is that true?Yes.
Post by: Mesa on March 10, 2013, 12:08:21 pm
For one, it sounds like it will enable Assassin's Creed.
Climb up house in sneak, jump down on gobbos using the elemental power of surprise.
I)
Max all of your adventurers stats related to killing stuff and movement.
II)
Become a vampire
III)
Find a city occupied by goblins or a goblin fortress.
IV)
Mass-murder every single one of those fuckers.
V)
Pile up their corpses around a throne in an abandoned mountainhome
VI)
Nickname yourself as 'Bloodlord'
VII)
Take a seat and retire
I'm defenitely goingto tryto pull that of.Succession Worlds, coming soon to a world near you?Communist pony joins the party. Welcome.
Sign me in, please.I believe this update introduces multitude trees is that true?Yes.
Communist is not a bad way to go - it's just the retarded ideologies.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 10, 2013, 02:22:04 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 10, 2013, 04:08:46 pm
Post by: Inarius on March 10, 2013, 05:54:21 pm
Post by: wer6 on March 10, 2013, 05:59:31 pm
Post by: SilverDragon on March 10, 2013, 07:30:00 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 11, 2013, 12:22:33 am
Post by: SilverDragon on March 11, 2013, 12:34:10 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 11, 2013, 12:59:27 pm
Even if this discussion is very interesting, I don't think that's the point of this topic.Yeah, although the thread-train looks really happy on top of that waterslide. We shouldn't do that.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 11, 2013, 02:16:13 pm
Even if this discussion is very interesting, I don't think that's the point of this topic.
It is if someone's going to start a dwarven Communist movement. Blood for the red party! Skulls for the skullcarvers!
At least, it's quite possible (at present) to run a fortress on "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
Post by: Mesa on March 13, 2013, 06:50:27 am
Even if this discussion is very interesting, I don't think that's the point of this topic.
It is if someone's going to start a dwarven Communist movement. Blood for the red party! Skulls for the skullcarvers!
At least, it's quite possible (at present) to run a fortress on "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."
Comrade Urist, eh?
Post by: Inarius on March 13, 2013, 07:31:18 am
Uristov.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 13, 2013, 11:14:50 am
Uristov....
Uristov....
Uristov....
It's like that name is burning holes into the fabric my thoughts are made of.
I had a hard time writing this sentence.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 13, 2013, 12:23:38 pm
Uristov.+1000
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 16, 2013, 08:05:52 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 16, 2013, 08:11:16 am
Somebody should also write down our plans for world gen and it's definetely not going to be me again.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 16, 2013, 12:16:55 pm
I demand that somebody renames every Urist in the world to URISTOV.
Don't forget Dakostky and Bomrekovich!
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 16, 2013, 12:38:13 pm
Dakostky and Bomrekovich!...
NO NOT AGAIN NONONO
Post by: Remuthra on March 16, 2013, 12:39:06 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 16, 2013, 02:46:28 pm
AzizengradDoesn't sound quite right...
Post by: Inarius on March 16, 2013, 02:53:14 pm
Post by: Remuthra on March 16, 2013, 03:37:09 pm
Eh, I was out of good Russian suffixes.AzizengradDoesn't sound quite right...
Post by: lwCoyote on March 16, 2013, 04:03:03 pm
Post by: BronzeAge on March 16, 2013, 05:48:31 pm
Alathevic?
Post by: Remuthra on March 16, 2013, 05:49:30 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 16, 2013, 05:58:54 pm
In fact, we can do that without modding by using the nickname feature. Bear in mind language files don't just control person names, so if you change those you can't have both the person Uristov and the town Uristgrad. So, you can have Russian dwarf names using nicknames without forcing everyone else to have Russian dwarf names.
Post by: hairypotatoes on March 16, 2013, 06:02:23 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 16, 2013, 06:04:40 pm
In the current version, abandoning a fort just makes everyone leave, it doesn't kill anyone. And we're not doing this succession game in the current version.
Post by: hairypotatoes on March 16, 2013, 06:07:23 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 17, 2013, 04:23:36 am
I've always been pronouncing dwarven names in a russian accent/pirate speak mixture anyways, so I don't see why we shouldn't implement new names. It would give our world a unique flair. Can someone provide a list of all dwarven names so we can come up with alternative versions? I can't find it.
Of course we should decide if we really want to do it first.
The succession list:
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Post by: Eric Blank on March 17, 2013, 04:57:01 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 17, 2013, 06:06:52 am
...
Tosidchow and Mengski.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 17, 2013, 01:57:12 pm
Changing the language raws would be bad, forcing people who don't want Russian names to have them. It's really the simplest thing in the world to just nickname migrants as they come in. We're not making a rule that all dwarves have to have Russian names, but if you want your dwarves generated during your turn to, just nickname all Urists "Uristov," etc. Also, when creating adventurers, you have the option to type in a first name, which will be that adventurer's actual first name and not a nickname.
Post by: Spish on March 17, 2013, 02:30:49 pm
With active world history being a thing in the new version, I believe we should also approach the concept of a building the world with a much higher level of freedom. As long as you don't tamper with established player fortresses, you can do whatever the hell you want; get your dwarf civy to declare war on everyone for no reason, run a genocidal adventurer, bodyswap with important historical figures, whatever, it all adds to the flavor of the world. Maybe still place a restriction on titan/megabeast kills (since they stay dead forever), but everything else is fair game.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 17, 2013, 03:09:31 pm
As for the idea of turn being first come, first serve, I do like the idea, to an extent, I think we should try to stick with the list, but if it takes too long, people will start losing interest. But hey, there's no rule that says we can't change the rules as we go along, I think we should try to handle arising issues as they come along, and set some guidelines to follow along the way, but overall just try to resolve issues in a fast and fair way.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 17, 2013, 03:11:37 pm
We've been through this kind of thing before (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103473.0), so I have a simple suggestion based on past experience : do away the turn list entirely. Unlike succession fortresses, it does not matter what year you start playing (hell, depending on your vision, starting further down the timeline would actually probably be better for your fortress), and with so many people trying to play, it's better we share the file on a first-come, first-serve basis. Whoever is most prepared to claim the save and begin playing right away gets to have at it. Not having to put up with contacting a person on their turn and waiting days/weeks for them to start (or announce they're canceling their turn altogether) will save a lot, and I mean a lot of time.⇪
With active world history being a thing in the new version, I believe we should also approach the concept of a building the world with a much higher level of freedom. As long as you don't tamper with established player fortresses, you can do whatever the hell you want; get your dwarf civy to declare war on everyone for no reason, run a genocidal adventurer, bodyswap with important historical figures, whatever, it all adds to the flavor of the world. Maybe still place a restriction on titan/megabeast kills (since they stay dead forever), but everything else is fair game.
This.
It's a good thing we have Eric Blank and HugoLuman here. You know, advice and stuff.
And now it's time for me to stfu for a while.
Post by: Spish on March 17, 2013, 03:36:15 pm
Another idea I've toyed with is running a condensed, no-rules pocket world parallel to the main one (no turn list of course), where people are free to pre-test their ideas, implement their wackiest worldbreaking schemes, and generally run wild with the save. It'd have a shorter time limit and be downplayed on the OP as a testworld for the most part (so less player-demand), and once you've passed the time limit you'd be allowed to keep playing until someone else claims the save (you could claim a second turn later and continue your fortress or even start a second one).
Post by: hairypotatoes on March 17, 2013, 07:55:38 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 17, 2013, 10:39:07 pm
I also like the idea of a world with zero restrictions where we can all go bananas with our crazy schemes. I've never seen a succession game where there were no rules except "try to terrorize the world to the greatest extent possible, assuming it still functions when you upload it." That might be incredibly entertaining...
Post by: WillowLuman on March 17, 2013, 11:19:15 pm
Post by: Necrisha on March 18, 2013, 04:29:06 am
That way you could go through more people by assigning them one of 2 or 3 according to their preferences like have one world dedicated to dealing with rampaging titans/megabeasts/forgotten beasts for those that like that sort of thing. and maybe one that's got only one cavern and extra levels of hell/necromancer to conquer/capture/weaponize and maybe one designed for mega-projects complete with the occasional siege/constant thefts to mess your timing up.
After their first round they can choose to continue or jump to the last in line of a different world. Of course that's more effort for organizers even if there's a "Team leader" in charge of each world.
Maybe maintain a shortlist that's refreshed once a monthly/biweekly or longer based on who's available during that time period and any who don't get a turn and available the next time period are at the front- Would first timer's get automatic priority or is there a certain amount of time after a person's first round where they are filtered in the same as a first timer?
Post by: Mesa on March 18, 2013, 06:21:05 am
Assuming that matters, which it probably doesn't.
Also, we should make a collaborative megaproject of turning the pocket world into one superfortress.
Improbable? More likely to happen than with a huge world, isn't it?
Post by: Broken on March 18, 2013, 08:02:57 am
lots of neat things.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 18, 2013, 11:26:44 am
Are we going to allow Dwarf hack r3? AdvFort is awesome for this. You can make sealed forts that need to be digged to enter andI don't think so.
lots of neat things.
Post by: Spish on March 18, 2013, 12:05:50 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 18, 2013, 01:16:36 pm
Never really used it, apart from the Stonesense.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 18, 2013, 01:38:04 pm
That said, this world (or possibly the no-holds-barred secondary tiny one) would be a perfect opportunity to test hacking in the new version. Make sure to distinguish between hacking and modding.
Post by: Mesa on March 18, 2013, 02:07:18 pm
I really need to get around making this mod already...
Post by: Eric Blank on March 18, 2013, 02:12:55 pm
And giant robotic dragons? An unnecessary detail. :P
Post by: numptykiller on March 18, 2013, 03:16:08 pm
Post by: SilverDragon on March 18, 2013, 04:59:58 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 18, 2013, 06:03:33 pm
And giant robotic dragons? An unnecessary detail. :P
>Unnecessary detail
>Dwarf Fortress.
Excuse me?
FYI, I'm NOT to be associated with 4chan/9gag/similar entity.
Post by: Spish on March 18, 2013, 07:48:27 pm
Then again I can't remember if you can add workshop interactions after world generation.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 18, 2013, 08:22:25 pm
Modding the raws during your turn should be allowed, or at the very least adding to them in a separate 'txt' so you can, say, get your dwarves to suddenly invent robot dragons, or bring a "last of their kind" outsider hero into being.
Then again I can't remember if you can add workshop interactions after world generation.
You can't add anything during play, you can only alter existing things. You could replace the raws under one creature entry with those of another, but the new creature would have to be in the same place in the file and use the same id as the original. And anything syndrome causing, if someone is currently affected by that syndrome, cannot be changed. Robot dragons should be reserved for the alternate "wacky" save.
New dfhack features are available RIGHT NOW, so now is the time to test them, not waiting for next release to build a mod around them.
Let me clear up a misconception some may be holding: "world gen" continuing during and after play does not mean it generates a new world in the middle of an existing one using whatever new raws you've added, it only, and I mean only, means that history continues.
Post by: Spish on March 18, 2013, 09:27:33 pm
You can't add anything during play, you can only alter existing things. You could replace the raws under one creature entry with those of another, but the new creature would have to be in the same place in the file and use the same id as the original. And anything syndrome causing, if someone is currently affected by that syndrome, cannot be changed. Robot dragons should be reserved for the alternate "wacky" save.In that case, it'd be quite simple to leave a bunch of placeholders in the testworld rawfolder prior to worldgen, that can later be modified on the player's whim. :)
Post by: WillowLuman on March 18, 2013, 10:19:19 pm
You can't add anything during play, you can only alter existing things. You could replace the raws under one creature entry with those of another, but the new creature would have to be in the same place in the file and use the same id as the original. And anything syndrome causing, if someone is currently affected by that syndrome, cannot be changed. Robot dragons should be reserved for the alternate "wacky" save.In that case, it'd be quite simple to leave a bunch of placeholders in the testworld rawfolder prior to worldgen, that can later be modified on the player's whim. :)
Yes, especially with reactions. But I say this should be reserved for the no-rules world, else we might run the risk of someone doing something save-corrupting with the main game. Which is entirely possible, if you edit the raws of a world in progress.
Post by: Spish on March 18, 2013, 10:28:31 pm
Post by: Adamantine Clowns on March 18, 2013, 11:17:12 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 18, 2013, 11:17:47 pm
Modders will take time to adjust to the new version, so modding the main save would slow us down considerably. If there is to be more-than-trivial modding (adding anything new, for instance), we really should keep it on a secondary world used for crazy testing purposes.
That is what the vote is for: if you want major modding (new creatures, robo-dragons, etc) in the MAIN SUCCESSION GAME, vote YES. If you'd rather confine mods to a secondary, no-rules test world, vote NO.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 19, 2013, 01:08:12 am
Post by: Mesa on March 19, 2013, 06:09:52 am
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 19, 2013, 09:52:20 am
Let's just play the game pure vanilla.THIS.
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.
Just do this, then you can tell everyone about whatever it was that you did, and we can all have a good laugh like we should, and get back to the game at hand without ruining it for everyone.
Post by: wowie on March 19, 2013, 11:22:22 am
And if it's funny enough someone could pick it up and make it into a spinoff world.Let's just play the game pure vanilla.THIS.
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.
Just do this, then you can tell everyone about whatever it was that you did, and we can all have a good laugh like we should, and get back to the game at hand without ruining it for everyone.
Post by: Mesa on March 19, 2013, 11:41:49 am
And if it's funny enough someone could pick it up and make it into a spinoff world.Let's just play the game pure vanilla.THIS.
If one wants to fiddle around with mods, you can always just duplicate the given world and do what you want with it.
Just do this, then you can tell everyone about whatever it was that you did, and we can all have a good laugh like we should, and get back to the game at hand without ruining it for everyone.
Alternate universes, eh?
Me gusta.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 19, 2013, 01:30:38 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 19, 2013, 02:53:28 pm
You know what? That's brilliant.
I love when we achieve a good agreement.
Bonus point if I have been involved.
Also, I wonder if when you exterminate a population of a site that didn't belong to you (let's say a hill dorf site or a dark fortress) - will it count as reclaimable later on?
I would love to see that happen.
You make a fort, train some legendary dorfs, give them some legendary stuff and whatnot, retire the fort, play adventure mode, hire the military, go conquer some sites, retire, reclaim, rinse, repeat.
That could potentially lead to world domination at some point.
Boy I want this release so badly...
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 19, 2013, 02:57:18 pm
I love when we achieve a good agreement.Meanwhile, I have been drooling.
Bonus point if I have been involved.
Post by: Mesa on March 19, 2013, 03:08:58 pm
You know what? That's brilliant.
Also, kinda offtopic, but how have you been enjoying my Island of All Evil world so far?
Did you get there?
(I personally am on the way there, but since I've decided to gen the world with only 2 years the island actually looks mirthful or serene or something and not evil, ironically.)
Post by: Spish on March 19, 2013, 04:01:18 pm
Also, I wonder if when you exterminate a population of a site that didn't belong to you (let's say a hill dorf site or a dark fortress) - will it count as reclaimable later on?I doubt you'll be able to reclaim it yourself, but it'll certainly be significantly easier for your dwarfciv to conquer.
I would love to see that happen.
Post by: Mesa on March 19, 2013, 04:04:23 pm
Also, I wonder if when you exterminate a population of a site that didn't belong to you (let's say a hill dorf site or a dark fortress) - will it count as reclaimable later on?I doubt you'll be able to reclaim it yourself, but it'll certainly be significantly easier for your dwarfciv to conquer.
I would love to see that happen.
You make a fort, train some legendary dorfs, give them some legendary stuff and whatnot, retire the fort, play adventure mode, hire the military, go conquer some sites, retire, reclaim, rinse, repeat.
You know what would also be awesome?
If other independent already-existing fortresses were seen by the game as "retired" and available to be reclaimed.
I am just trying to think of a way to let us live in the sites conquered by adventurers.
While I don't see that being TOO hard to code, I just am probably ignorant and can't seem to find those things hard.
Implementing high-level diplomacy system? Is hard, I'll admit.
But this shouldn't be extraordinary difficult, and would provide us with a much, MUCH better way of directly interacting with our worlds, which is what we're seeking after all.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 19, 2013, 05:45:46 pm
Some tests I'd like to see done in the next version are;
- Using embark anywhere or a similar utility to embark on top of various races' settlements, build there, then abandon some, retire others, and let invaders conquer a third group, and see how the game now treats these two overlapping sites and the populations within them, and the effects the circumstances of one may have on the other. This isn't a hypothesis-driven experiment I guess, although you could form hypotheses.
- See if, by wiping out the populations of sites owned by a particular civilization, you can now destroy that civilization entirely. As I understood form Toady's logs and answers to questions, the issue with killing non-historical figures not reducing the population and being respawned or replaced is getting fixed with this update.
- What happens if you embark on your own civilization's active site.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 19, 2013, 07:00:29 pm
You know what? That's brilliant.
Also, kinda offtopic, but how have you been enjoying my Island of All Evil world so far?
Did you get there?
(I personally am on the way there, but since I've decided to gen the world with only 2 years the island actually looks mirthful or serene or something and not evil, ironically.)
Haven't had the chance to play it, actually. Sorry.
Anyway, site testing will be very interesting. Loyalty cascades will probably have disappeared or changed.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 19, 2013, 09:55:18 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 20, 2013, 05:23:05 am
Oh well. Embark anywhere should be helpful in that case.
Either that, or civs actually taking the conquered sites over AFTER worldgen.
It would be awesome if one of us was an assassin (very much plausible now), sneaked into the Mountainhome (I wonder how they look like) and killed the monarch (and the royal family while we're at it).
Imagine the shitstorm unfolding after that.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 20, 2013, 10:05:08 am
According to Toady there will be multiple candidates for the post of the king, including his own heirs and barons. If we, as an example, assasinate every candidate except your fortresses baron, he would become the new king because there's no one else left to do the job. Or you could kill everyone but the kings 3 years-old son, resulting in a child-king. Over the course of many ingame-years we would manipulate the worlds politics immensely.
The problem is that barons probably would get replaced soon after you kill them. Guess you have to kill of entire sites to guarantee your wanna-be-king gets the job.
+ your own nicknamed dwarf can become the leader of an entire civilisation, only to get killed the next turn.
Post by: Mesa on March 20, 2013, 04:54:02 pm
You should know the punchline at this point - start killing them all!
I wonder if secessions will be able to happen at some point in the future.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 20, 2013, 05:00:05 pm
Not-so-megaproject: Wipe out all but one (or two) civs. Let it thrive for a while and then...
You should know the punchline at this point - start killing them all!
I wonder if secessions will be able to happen at some point in the future.
Probably, but maybe not for this release.
Post by: Spish on March 20, 2013, 11:43:30 pm
The problem is that barons probably would get replaced soon after you kill them. Guess you have to kill of entire sites to guarantee your wanna-be-king gets the job.Actually, I imagine it's quite a bit easier than that. You elevate your fortress to mountainhome status, the king comes to live there, he has an "unfortunate accident," and one of your dwarves replaces him as king. And, due to the fact that directly tampering with player fortresses is forbidden, your fellow players will have a rather difficult time wrestling away power from your fortress (unless they go through the trouble of doing the same thing, and assuming they even bothered to pick the same civilization)
+ your own nicknamed dwarf can become the leader of an entire civilisation, only to get killed the next turn.
Though we don't know if barons can assume the role from beyond the realm of the players control, that would be pretty lame. However, it's nothing a good old-fashioned hitman can't fix.
Post by: Mesa on March 21, 2013, 04:16:04 pm
What about this?
1. Take a pocket world with small amount of civs.
2. Wipe them all out.
3. Commit suicide as the lone wanderer of the world.
4. Allow playing as elf and dwarf outsiders.
5. "Spawn" a couple of each races and put them into remote areas of the world.
6. Go back to doing your thing.
7. See what happens to those lone survivors.
Anyone?
Post by: Eric Blank on March 21, 2013, 05:42:34 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 21, 2013, 06:01:47 pm
Sounds reasonable, except that those adventurers would have nowhere left to retire to, so the only way to end their adventures is to let them die.
Might still be able to retire to sites even if they're depopulated.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2013, 06:18:20 pm
hmmm.... Not sure about this one.Sounds reasonable, except that those adventurers would have nowhere left to retire to, so the only way to end their adventures is to let them die.Might still be able to retire to sites even if they're depopulated.
In my experiences, I've been able to retire in a dead site that I've wiped out myself with a different adventurer, but if the site was already dead through world gen, basically stumbling across a ghost town, I've not been able too. But now that the world keeps moving, it might realize when a site is properly emptied, and prohibit it, but then again, once your adventurer retires there, it would have a population of one, making it active again.
We'll just have to wait and see.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 21, 2013, 06:29:57 pm
Post by: Spish on March 22, 2013, 01:43:39 am
Sounds reasonable, except that those adventurers would have nowhere left to retire to, so the only way to end their adventures is to let them die.However, you can still embark for dead civilizations. So what you do is start a one-man expedition, construct a cozy cabin, retire it, maybe introduce a potential soulmate afterward (since you can retire at player sites), and then let history run its course.
(or just do a seven-man fortress and kill the ones you don't need, whatever)
Another interesting thing you could test is having a couple of every race retire at a player fortress, and seeing how they get along...
Who knows, maybe in 300 years they'll have overcome their differences and developed into a sprawling, multiracial utopia. I'm particularly curious how kobolds would fare in an accepting society, since civilized 'bolds is something that absolutely never happens in worldgen. Hell, throw in some subterranean animal people while you're at it. :D
Post by: SilverDragon on March 22, 2013, 03:31:03 am
Post by: WillowLuman on March 22, 2013, 04:24:26 am
Post by: SilverDragon on March 22, 2013, 06:55:29 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 22, 2013, 12:17:41 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 22, 2013, 02:04:38 pm
Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.
I seriously have no idea why elves and dwarves aren't playable as outcasts by default.
I feel like this should be in now, ever since we have sites for all the races (I'm guessing that lack of elven/dwarven sites was the primary reason for them to not have an outcast variation, since playing them basically is like playing as outcasts, to some extent)
Post by: Eric Blank on March 22, 2013, 02:24:03 pm
Post by: Spish on March 22, 2013, 03:13:25 pm
Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.We should definitely spawn an extra civ and wipe them out for the purpose testing this. If not on the continent proper, then we could have the colony established on a remote island/valley where they are completely free from outside influence.
Post by: The Hadad on March 22, 2013, 04:07:33 pm
>Unnecessary detailSig'd
>Dwarf Fortress.
Excuse me?
Post by: Mesa on March 22, 2013, 04:15:31 pm
Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.We should definitely spawn an extra civ and wipe them out for the purpose testing this. If not on the continent proper, then we could have the colony established on a remote island/valley where they are completely free from outside influence.
Even if it requires (temporarily) giving them [FLIER] tags.
We've already got Bear Grylls, now it's time for The Colony!
Post by: Spish on March 22, 2013, 04:44:40 pm
Even if it requires (temporarily) giving them [FLIER] tags.Or the Swimming skill and a lot of patience...
Post by: Mesa on March 22, 2013, 04:53:23 pm
Even if it requires (temporarily) giving them [FLIER] tags.Or the Swimming skill and a lot of patience...
Whatever floats your boat. (which is ironic since we don't have boats in DF yet)
You can train in my Legendary World and try swimming here.
(http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/1690/darkisland.png)
Small fraction, not a full representation of the world.
The closest civ is like a week of flying in the mountains, and beelines aren't possible (unless DFhack)...
Post by: WillowLuman on March 22, 2013, 08:24:31 pm
On the test world, I say. There's no need to define a whole new race in the raws, just go with an already spawned vanilla one. Remember, each race has several civs.Yeah, retiring a dwarven fortress and then populating it with outcast adventurers of various races sounds like it could result in some interesting impromptu history. All you'd need is to enable those races to be played as outcasts, which can basically be done by adding one little line of code to their entity definition.We should definitely spawn an extra civ and wipe them out for the purpose testing this. If not on the continent proper, then we could have the colony established on a remote island/valley where they are completely free from outside influence.
Outsiders can be enabled post-gen
Post by: Spish on March 22, 2013, 09:41:28 pm
(and it doesn't matter when outsiders are enabled, not that there's any point in doing that prior to worldgen)
I forgot to claim a turn, so sign me up mates. In the meantime, I thought I'd share some of my fortress ideas, since it's extremely unlikely that I'll get to do them all (unless I were to combine all of them into one fortress, that is :D ).
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Eric Blank on March 22, 2013, 11:03:46 pm
Also, I made some designs reminiscent of your "The Breach" idea in 40d. Basically I just made a massive square pit open to the surface and extending very deep into the ground.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 23, 2013, 01:46:08 am
Post by: SilverDragon on March 23, 2013, 03:51:32 am
I totally want to do that in my docks now, make a giant underground dungeon under it. :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Think I have an idea for a community fortress. Huzzah!
Post by: Spish on March 23, 2013, 12:08:07 pm
Turning your entire fortress into vampires and driving them utterly mad (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=119384.msg4119444#msg4119444) is easier than growing plump helmets, and goes hand-in-hand with the "counts mansion" idea! :DI never thought of assigning a whole bunch of war puppies to a specific person and killing them to force insanity, that's a good idea.
...I don't know how I inferred that from your post, but it happened. :o
A few more fortress concepts:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
)Post by: Eric Blank on March 23, 2013, 01:51:46 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 23, 2013, 03:21:06 pm
How about this: Somebody creates an adventurer and gives him a distinctive feature in form of unusual clothing or an awesome weapon. The creator of that adventurer won't tell anybody how the adventurer looks like, what skills he has, what race he is or what his actual name is. Instead, everyone refers to him as 'The Crimson Knight', because he wears a red cape or something like that.
Too make it short:
1) The Crimson Knight gets his own lair or castle, where he retires and waits for challengers to appear.
2) The challengers don't tell anybody anything about their adventurers. Like the it happened to be with the original knight, race, appearence etc. remain secret.
3) What happens in the lair stays in the lair. We don't tell each other if we defeated the knight or if we failed trying. We are only allowed to hint that we are attempting it, the outcome remains secret.
4) If the challengers adventurer succeeds he assumes the identity of the Crimson Knight by taking his clothes and equipment, nicknaming himself 'The Crimson Knight' and retiring.
5) When the challenger enters the lair he's not allowed to examine eventual corpes to find out how many knights were defeated.
No one knows who the Crimson Knight is. You don't know what you should expect. It could be a vampire, an elf or some guy dual-wielding adamantite socks.
Post by: Mesa on March 23, 2013, 03:41:24 pm
Did somebody say 'FINAL BOSS'?
How about this: Somebody creates an adventurer and gives him a distinctive feature in form of unusual clothing or an awesome weapon. The creator of that adventurer won't tell anybody how the adventurer looks like, what skills he has, what race he is or what his actual name is. Instead, everyone refers to him as 'The Crimson Knight', because he wears a red cape or something like that.
Too make it short:
1) The Crimson Knight gets his own lair or castle, where he retires and waits for challengers to appear.
2) The challengers don't tell anybody anything about their adventurers. Like the it happened to be with the original knight, race, appearence etc. remain secret.
3) What happens in the lair stays in the lair. We don't tell each other if we defeated the knight or if we failed trying. We are only allowed to hint that we are attempting it, the outcome remains secret.
4) If the challengers adventurer succeeds he assumes the identity of the Crimson Knight by taking his clothes and equipment, nicknaming himself 'The Crimson Knight' and retiring.
5) When the challenger enters the lair he's not allowed to examine eventual corpes to find out how many knights were defeated.
No one knows who the Crimson Knight is. You don't know what you should expect. It could be a vampire, an elf or some guy dual-wielding adamantite socks.
Sound good to me.
We could make some lava pits to remove the corpses and water to clean eventual blood spatters.
Unless you feel like drinking it, of course.
One thing though - (unless it doesn't matter) - does the new Crimson Knight have to wear his/her predecessor's clothing? Because you know, elves and dwarves have problem with that.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 23, 2013, 03:50:18 pm
Post by: Spish on March 23, 2013, 03:54:00 pm
Of course, there still needs to be a supreme evil dick for non-canon players to try (and fail) to deal with, so that if someone actually does manage to pull it off, it'd probably be quite the story.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 23, 2013, 05:11:26 pm
The Crimson Knight! The Rainbow Ronin! The Pantsless Enigma!...
Let's stick with the Crimson Knight for now.
One thing though - (unless it doesn't matter) - does the new Crimson Knight have to wear his/her predecessor's clothing? Because you know, elves and dwarves have problem with that.I'm sure we'll figure something out.
A dwarf trying to carry a oversized cape with him would look like a child dragging a carpet behind it + screaming 'I'M THE CRIMSON KNIGHT, PREPARE FOR YOUR DEMISE!'
Post by: Spish on March 23, 2013, 09:13:54 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 23, 2013, 11:16:29 pm
Also, let's have a few people make some legendary adventurers with awesome equipment (genocide optional) who go retire in Dark Fortresses, so we can have our own legendary bosses to fight in fort mode. Just keep in mind, sounds like genocides will stick in this version, so we ought to be sparing in massacring entire populations, lest the world become too empty (and therefore boring).
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 24, 2013, 02:12:45 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 24, 2013, 03:08:20 am
I still find it weird that worldwide genocide is fairly standard on these forums, but anywhere else it would result in comparisons to Hitler or Attila the Hun.Hitler and Attila can't handle this kind of genocide.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 24, 2013, 04:55:09 am
Of course, there still needs to be a supreme evil dick for non-canon players to try (and fail) to deal with, so that if someone actually does manage to pull it off, it'd probably be quite the story.How about escaped demons?
Hitler or Attila the Hun.But do they even magma?
Post by: Mesa on March 24, 2013, 08:48:26 am
...
And yet we have to yet succeed at pulling one off.
The Age of Emptiness, I want to see it happen!
Post by: Mesa on March 24, 2013, 11:50:25 am
(after all, one can build traps and whatnot to make this harder for potential intelligent ie. player-controlled raiders)
Post by: Eric Blank on March 24, 2013, 02:04:56 pm
Bay 12 apparently doesn't mind worldwide genocides.
...
And yet we have to yet succeed at pulling one off.
The Age of Emptiness, I want to see it happen!
Not in this version because of that thrice-damned respawning bug, but in 31.16 and lower, that bug didn't exist and it was as easy as a very large pie to accomplish; you just needed to be persistent enough to hunt them all down.
Post by: Mesa on March 24, 2013, 02:10:59 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 24, 2013, 07:26:20 pm
Not in this version because of that thrice-damned respawning bug, but in 31.16 and lower, that bug didn't exist and it was as easy as a very large pie to accomplish; you just needed to be persistent enough to hunt them all down.It will however work with kobold caves, and I know this from personal experiences.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 24, 2013, 11:10:22 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 25, 2013, 08:23:18 am
Age of Emptiness sounds cool and all, but for a succession game, it's a bit boring if there's no one left to trade with the forts / attack forts / talk to adventurers.
I wonder...
Is it possible for new civilizations to emerge post-gen?
Because my previous idea...
Bring a world to the point of Age of Emptiness, enable elven/dwarven outsiders, retire them in some town, wait and see what happens.
Post by: Inarius on March 25, 2013, 09:14:12 am
Post by: WillowLuman on March 25, 2013, 12:36:42 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 25, 2013, 01:48:46 pm
All civilizations are set when the world gens, the only new entities that can appear after play begins are site governments and refugee groups. Any civ or kobold tribe is eternal, no new ones can form.
But could certain figures join civs that are...Dead?
(even if, how does one join any civ?)
Post by: Eric Blank on March 25, 2013, 01:51:26 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 25, 2013, 01:58:24 pm
Right now I think the only ways to join a civ are to retire in one of their sites, or be conquered by them and thus forces to join them (if you aren't killed in the process)
Gives me decent hopes.
Is the whole AMA thing still going on? (I'm not going to bother creating a Reddit account just to ask one question and never use it again)
Although that's probably a FotF question if anything... (current ETA on the release date)
#impatient
Post by: Spish on March 25, 2013, 06:49:12 pm
But could certain figures join civs that are...Dead?I already explained how to do this. And retiring on an owned site automatically makes you part of the owner's civilization.
(even if, how does one join any civ?)
Post by: Mesa on March 26, 2013, 10:36:42 am
But could certain figures join civs that are...Dead?I already explained how to do this. And retiring on an owned site automatically makes you part of the owner's civilization.
(even if, how does one join any civ?)
So I'm guessing that restoring genocided civs will be possible.
I just want this release to come out already...
(I mean, I have been waiting for other stuff for so much longer, but still)
Post by: mastahcheese on March 27, 2013, 01:35:45 am
This is going to be awesome.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 02:12:33 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 27, 2013, 04:49:50 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 27, 2013, 07:41:47 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
We are 46 now.
Post by: Mesa on March 27, 2013, 09:08:36 am
Massive props to those who understand.
But basically - our world(s) were annihilated and we all came through portal(s) to a single world.
Or two, if we're going for a mod-allowed world, too.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 09:13:36 am
Post by: Mesa on March 27, 2013, 09:39:36 am
Do we all have to do that? Or can we have a story of this world? The portal idea sounds like we'd need to run history for as little time as possible, kind of like Starting at the Dawn of Time.
Well, I don't see anything going wrong if we did it that way.
Heck, it would even seem more fitting, honestly - we went through the portal, and decided to just go doing our own things (some would make their own fortresses, other would raid them, et cetera).
No matter what, we're going to have a really great time with this succession game, since it will just take the whole idea to the next level of whole succession WORLDS.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, we don't necessarily have to start on a year-old world.
Who said we have to be thrown into an untapped plane? For all we know, Armok(s) could direct us to a world in a middle of its history, making us truly strangers.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 12:24:57 pm
Post by: Spish on March 27, 2013, 12:50:03 pm
I just realized, our first group of dwarves, since when I do the world gen, I'm just going to jump right in, without figuring out the new stuff, so I can do some cool storytelling on the shock of our old-world dwarves upon stumbling into this new-fangled world, with trees that tower into the sky and other this that would appear horrifying to them.Have you considered using Perfect World to generate a planet with geography of intelligent design? Like what Eric Blank did with the DF2012SW:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The succession list:You're the third person in a row who's forgotten to put me on a succession list. :-\
Post by: Mesa on March 27, 2013, 01:36:17 pm
Small to big would seem reasonable (pocket seems a bit too small and huge...you get the point)
Post by: Spish on March 27, 2013, 02:10:16 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 27, 2013, 03:19:00 pm
You're the third person in a row who's forgotten to put me on a succession list. :-\What? :o
I looked through your post again and I did not find a request to be added to the list anywhere. Maybe I oversaw it? Maybe I'm to tired?
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 06:59:31 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 27, 2013, 07:03:51 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 07:08:42 pm
Post by: Spish on March 27, 2013, 07:27:07 pm
At any rate, you can never have too many small evil regions. Region alignment doesn't affect seed, so you can re-generate the world as long as it takes to get a version with a decent spread.
(and I know I won't be satisfied if there isn't at least one reanimating and one huskifying territory)
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 08:10:30 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 27, 2013, 08:56:51 pm
And Hugo, if you're against this, keep in mind that there will be multiple dwarven civs in the world, at least one of them would have already been there, and then you can lead the assault against the foriegners, if that's you're thing.
Not saying it is, it would just be hilarious.
For world size, I have to agree that medium would probably be best, but I personally hate worlds that are either long or tall, I don't know why, I need a square. And if we do it that way, then people can spread out more naturally, rather than feel like there is some sort of border that always seems to come up when there are uneven dimentions.
And for good/evil areas, I do think we should have some more evil around, and the X4 plan sounds good to me. But as was stated elsewhere, unaligned areas are still needed.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 09:38:36 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 27, 2013, 10:30:02 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 27, 2013, 10:47:40 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on March 27, 2013, 10:48:51 pm
Post by: hairypotatoes on March 27, 2013, 10:58:03 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 27, 2013, 11:05:57 pm
Sounds like you guys going to do that 'challenge start at the dawn of time' thread in the dwarf mode discussion thread.
I think that'd be pretty awesome, now that it's actually going to be semi-feasible with the population being maintained 50 years after beginning. There won't be any new sites that we didn't build, unfortunately. I personally think a short history of 100 years would be fair.
Also, might as well put me on the list finally. I enjoy succession games.
Post by: Inarius on March 28, 2013, 02:35:19 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 28, 2013, 03:01:24 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 28, 2013, 06:02:49 am
It's just that if an entire dwarven kingdom is supposed to be started by refugees from another world, then their rich worldgen history will get in the way unless we start as early as possible.
I thought that the whole idea was to start as early as possible? And then see how far we can carry the world along and watch it evolve.
There won't be any new sites that we didn't build, unfortunately. I personally think a short history of 100 years would be fair.How about a compromiss? We generate the world with a history of about
That way we can have mastahcheese's introduction to the new features and procedurally generated sites with their own history.
I do also agree with most of the stuff HugoLuman suggested:
Diversety is important.
EDIT: Quoting mastahcheese's first post: 'I can imagine a world being genned from year two (or zero if someone has figured out how), and advancing onward into years with triple digits, possibly even quadruple if the world is just that good.'
The idea was to start a world from the very beginning and shape it as time progresses. Although I would prefer a world with pregenerated sites and historical figures I think it's up to mastahcheese to decide. If we start at year one, we start at year one.
btw op, when the time comes to generate worlds, could you provide multiple ones so everyone can take a look at them before we choose wich one we want to play on?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2013, 01:15:51 pm
btw op, when the time comes to generate worlds, could you provide multiple ones so everyone can take a look at them before we choose wich one we want to play on?Of course.
Post by: Spish on March 28, 2013, 01:26:33 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 28, 2013, 01:49:17 pm
But that's just me.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 28, 2013, 04:04:45 pm
But this is DF, and as such, every island contains the same stuff. I'll leave it up to you to decide what.
Post by: Inarius on March 28, 2013, 05:05:26 pm
Post by: Spish on March 28, 2013, 05:16:57 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 28, 2013, 07:12:32 pm
Additionally, I imagine adv-fort would allow us to build long bridges/tunnels/underground roads without having to make multiple fortresses over massive swaths of ocean.
But where's the fun in that? I don't think someone could swim across a vast swath of ocean in a week (merely holding down 'w' or whatever), let alone dig it. Then again, bridges / tunnels are only really possible if you can cover the area with 1 or 2 embarks, since there's nowhere for the dwarves to safely start in out in the middle of the ocean.
Post by: Spish on March 28, 2013, 07:31:56 pm
(or legendary architect adventurer)
I should rephrase that, "more than two fortresses" is what I meant.
Post by: WillowLuman on March 28, 2013, 08:06:10 pm
Post by: Spish on March 28, 2013, 08:23:49 pm
Then again, like you said, there is the adventure factor in navigating the unmarked cavern system from Point A to Point B. I suppose we could just have the miner test the route and make sure there are no dead-ends along the way.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2013, 12:12:59 am
as long as you genned a world with wide open caverns (which I say we do, no twisty honeycomb passages that go nowhere and get blocked by fungus trees!).I personally prefer caverns with open areas as opposed to twisty passages, too.
I'll be sure to make that in as part of the world gen.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 29, 2013, 04:04:58 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 29, 2013, 04:36:34 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 29, 2013, 05:01:48 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 29, 2013, 07:37:18 am
oh god
So, Spish. I'm putting you on the list after hairypotatoes *shudders.
Post by: Dwarvinator on March 29, 2013, 11:24:11 am
Please put me on the list - I want to be a part of History too!
Wow, it would only be about four hundred sleeps to go before my turn came round!
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on March 29, 2013, 12:55:15 pm
I've just contracted a serious case of butterflies whilst reading this thread.You should probably visit the doctor.
...
WELCOME.
Post by: Mesa on March 29, 2013, 04:43:21 pm
Wow, it would only be about four hundred sleeps to go before my turn came round!
Who needs sleeping?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2013, 05:33:34 pm
Only sissies that also need food, drink, breaks, and parties.Wow, it would only be about four hundred sleeps to go before my turn came round!Who needs sleeping?
Post by: WillowLuman on March 29, 2013, 05:51:32 pm
Don't you mean slackers?Only sissies that also need food, drink, breaks, and parties.Wow, it would only be about four hundred sleeps to go before my turn came round!Who needs sleeping?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 29, 2013, 06:45:07 pm
Fixed that for you.Don't you meanOnly sissies that also need food, drink, breaks, and parties.Wow, it would only be about four hundred sleeps to go before my turn came round!Who needs sleeping?slackersDwarves?
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 29, 2013, 11:56:47 pm
Dwarves don't need any of those things. If you give them vampirism.
Post by: Eric Blank on March 31, 2013, 11:10:12 am
Post by: Mesa on March 31, 2013, 04:25:13 pm
Vampires do require blood, though. To avoid grinding to a halt...
Nah.
We'll take care of the details later on.
But for now...
I wonder what happens if someone retires a fort right after embarking...Will the dwarves just try to live in the wagon or build something on their own or what? (if t they'd be able to build while in retirement it could possibly mean fort mode skills in adventure mode, which is, short-term, the only thing I genuinely want now. Because there's the "county" thing in the long-term.)
Post by: WillowLuman on March 31, 2013, 04:29:51 pm
Vampires do require blood, though. To avoid grinding to a halt...
Nah.
We'll take care of the details later on.
But for now...
I wonder what happens if someone retires a fort right after embarking...Will the dwarves just try to live in the wagon or build something on their own or what? (if t they'd be able to build while in retirement it could possibly mean fort mode skills in adventure mode, which is, short-term, the only thing I genuinely want now. Because there's the "county" thing in the long-term.)
I think Toady said there's some requirement to meet before you can retire a fort.
Post by: Mesa on April 01, 2013, 11:17:54 am
I can't state enough how badly I want this release, we're kinda running short on topics to f. about here...
Post by: mastahcheese on April 01, 2013, 11:32:53 am
Post by: Mesa on April 01, 2013, 12:35:01 pm
We could have people sign up for the first 7 dwarves so it's really far in advance.
And who said we have to make a fort?
Hehe.
Post by: Rumrusher on April 01, 2013, 01:31:07 pm
hmm I was wondering if the succession world will have player bandit camps, lairs and each player has a set amount of time to carve up the worldsite.Sounds like you guys going to do that 'challenge start at the dawn of time' thread in the dwarf mode discussion thread.
I think that'd be pretty awesome, now that it's actually going to be semi-feasible with the population being maintained 50 years after beginning. There won't be any new sites that we didn't build, unfortunately. I personally think a short history of 100 years would be fair.
Also, might as well put me on the list finally. I enjoy succession games.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 01, 2013, 01:35:41 pm
Post by: Mesa on April 01, 2013, 01:46:52 pm
That would be fairly awesome, but I don't know if it would be possible, even with hacking. If it is, though, then why the hell not?
Best way to do it - make a temporary small fort and abandon it soon after (or retire, whatever).
Post by: Eric Blank on April 01, 2013, 05:02:40 pm
Post by: Rumrusher on April 04, 2013, 06:36:26 am
Abandoning a small 2x2 or 1x1 fort would be ideal compared to hacking, more so because it'd be using mechanics that are already in the game and semi-functional. Not that hacking would be unmistakably a bad idea, but we should test extensively to make sure that the process you use doesn't result in any new issues before submitting a save of any serious succession game that used that method. If it overcomes some issues with the abandoning an actual fort option, great, but hopefully we don't run into any new bugs in the process.yeah but you could also just use dfusion and make a 1x1 or 2x2 or 3x3 site and set the type. I kinda wonder if npc behaviors are effected by where they live. like if you retire in a dwarf fort, you going to act like a dorf, or if you retire in a tower you will learn to write books, or like say a bandit camp you will go on raids.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on April 11, 2013, 06:47:52 am
we're kinda running short on topics to f. about here...How is this possible? Do some research, find which animal (or animal-man) has the most valuable innards, and discuss ways to trap, kill and harvest them!
Post by: Mesa on April 11, 2013, 07:23:11 am
we're kinda running short on topics to f. about here...How is this possible? Do some research, find which animal (or animal-man) has the most valuable innards, and discuss ways to trap, kill and harvest them!
Found out about the quantum travel/body swapping thing.
Hoping it still works now.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 11, 2013, 01:51:46 pm
Post by: Mesa on April 12, 2013, 03:25:40 pm
But then the problem of el Crimson Knight kicks in...You know, I don't want to spoil everything.
Either that, or play in a "private" copy of the world at some point in its existence.
But then, I have my own Valve Time Syndrome, so I guess...
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 14, 2013, 08:05:24 am
Post by: Mesa on April 14, 2013, 12:39:05 pm
Has anybody on this thread ever killed a demon in adventure mode? Just asking to find out how challenging it would be to kill all demons that escaped the underworld and throw their corpes into a volcanoe or even back to hell.
I'm certain that someone akin to Hugo did.
I've met one, but failed miserably. (damn you, fox fiend!)
Post by: Eric Blank on April 14, 2013, 01:34:13 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 14, 2013, 05:26:59 pm
Has anybody on this thread ever killed a demon in adventure mode? Just asking to find out how challenging it would be to kill all demons that escaped the underworld and throw their corpes into a volcanoe or even back to hell.I have a demon myself once, but that was because I had a
How that demon had managed to write over forty books without eyes is beyond me.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 14, 2013, 05:48:36 pm
Has anybody on this thread ever killed a demon in adventure mode? Just asking to find out how challenging it would be to kill all demons that escaped the underworld and throw their corpes into a volcanoe or even back to hell.
Yes. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=106920.msg4025978#msg4025978) It's fairly challenging, you'll need lots of agility. As for escaped demons, they tend to rule civilizations, so you get one surprise attack and then the whole civ turns hostile. Unless you stealth, of course.
Post by: Mesa on April 17, 2013, 08:14:23 am
Just to keep something going on in this thread, can someone explain me how the reaction moments thingy works? (from our current knowledge so far)
Because I'm having trouble with it.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 17, 2013, 08:49:57 am
Also, we ran into a massive problem (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104399.msg4171715#msg4171715) with the museum item quest game involving retired adventurers causing the game to crash in the adventurer selection menu. Braalbard said he's going to make a bug report for it within reasonable time, and hopefully Toady can get right on it because I managed to reproduce it just by going to the last save before the bug occurred and retiring another adventurer. Reproducible, easy to test, and a major bug that causes crashes, so if Toady at least gets the chance look at it he'll likely have it fixed relatively soon. Maybe not for this release, but it could happen within the next few bug fix releases.
Post by: Mesa on April 17, 2013, 09:13:36 am
I'm not really clear on it either, but it seems that if there is an attack or something incoming and you have the observation skill to recognize it, you get a little menu or can open your menu and have some options to avoid or block it. Or some attack with a hefty bonus if your opponent leaves themselves open or something. There's probably some selection of possible actions that have some chance of occurring favorably or something like that based on your relative skills or whatever. I think it's mostly supposed to be active defense, to supplement your passive blocking/dodging/parrying you can do right now.
Also, we ran into a massive problem (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104399.msg4171715#msg4171715) with the museum item quest game involving retired adventurers causing the game to crash in the adventurer selection menu. Braalbard said he's going to make a bug report for it within reasonable time, and hopefully Toady can get right on it because I managed to reproduce it just by going to the last save before the bug occurred and retiring another adventurer. Reproducible, easy to test, and a major bug that causes crashes, so if Toady at least gets the chance look at it he'll likely have it fixed relatively soon. Maybe not for this release, but it could happen within the next few bug fix releases.
That sounds nasty if this won't be fixed.
(now watch as due to some changes it's no longer present, but I have no idea how that would happen - if anything it would cause even more crashes)
Also, does that mean that someone with Legendary Observer and Dodging skills can potentially become invincible/invulnerable/untouchable?
The gameplay willd definitely get a bit more Dark Souls-esque, but JUST a bit.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 17, 2013, 06:39:39 pm
Post by: Mesa on April 18, 2013, 07:06:59 am
At some point.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 18, 2013, 08:32:48 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 18, 2013, 10:12:30 pm
Personally, I like the 3rd. I've tried to go for a great castle of ice out on a glacier before, but never actually got anywhere with them.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 18, 2013, 11:55:28 pm
Post by: Mesa on April 19, 2013, 05:56:27 am
Ah yes, my bad. I clicked the links in reverse. The ice castle one is good, but the others seem floating without support. And as we all know, your fort needs at least a single pillar of soap to satisfy gravity.
Perspective, man.
(also, I messed up a bit, and accidently the first and second are the same)
This is the one I also meant. (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/541/dorffort.png/)
Man, I love Zdzisław Beksiński's work. (a Polish artist, 1929-2005)
Apparently he envisioned Dwarf Fortress, in some form at least. What are the odds?
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 19, 2013, 12:31:51 pm
Alright, one (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/aa80.jpg/) of (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/38/aa80.jpg/) these (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/163/mountainhome.jpg/) paintings (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/oceanquest.jpg/) is gotta be a thing in our world.Relevant signature? :P
At some point.
1st and 3rd not physically possible, even in DF.Put them on top of a support or two, it'll be fine.
Source:
If anyone wants to build something like that, I'm in. Maybe I'm even going to make some blue-prints myself soon. Maybe.
Post by: Mesa on April 19, 2013, 02:02:26 pm
Relevant signature? :P
Aye.
Also, I had an idea to make a world of as yet undetermined size which is essentially Antarctica all over the place.
Temperature not higher than -20 degrees Celsius (bottom line being -80 for some degree of reason).
Tundras and mountains only BUT.
The entire place is totally flat, except for the straight up mountains (like in the painting I posted earlier, except maybe bigger and well, frozen).
Yes, there won't be any gobbos, hippies or humans, I know - dwarves only.
But tell me - you want some extreme conditions survival in adventure mode, visiting the deep underground fortresses and whatnot.
Also, all caverns are set to their maximum size. Cavedwarves ftw.
"In this fronen Hell life only exists under the ground, in the hot caves of the earth..."
Post by: WillowLuman on April 19, 2013, 04:36:48 pm
Source:Common understanding of physicssupports warp reality around them, causing physics to gtfo.
They don't warp reality: since Dwarves, master builders, make indestructible constructions, one support can bear an infinite amount of weight.
Post by: Mesa on April 19, 2013, 04:48:00 pm
Source:Common understanding of physicssupports warp reality around them, causing physics to gtfo.
They don't warp reality: since Dwarves, master builders, make indestructible constructions, one support can bear an infinite amount of weight.
Why can't our physics be simple as that, too? :(
Post by: mastahcheese on April 19, 2013, 04:57:19 pm
To give science teachers a job.Why can't our physics be simple as that, too? :(Source:They don't warp reality: since Dwarves, master builders, make indestructible constructions, one support can bear an infinite amount of weight.Common understanding of physicssupports warp reality around them, causing physics to gtfo.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 19, 2013, 08:38:33 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 19, 2013, 09:48:41 pm
Don't worry, there are plenty of DF players that get confused with DF physics. Physics teachers would still have a job if the world were simulated under DF's engine.That sounds like a lot more fun.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 20, 2013, 06:34:24 am
Post by: Mesa on April 20, 2013, 09:22:57 am
Does anybody have good blueprints for a skull? I looked around the internet for a while, all I found were weird minecraft builds.
What are you trying to do, a skull fortress?
Post by: Mesa on April 20, 2013, 10:04:01 am
Are the caverns connected to the surface or would I need to make a temporary opening fort to get there?
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 20, 2013, 12:25:30 pm
It's more like putting a skull on top of a fortress, but yes.Does anybody have good blueprints for a skull? I looked around the internet for a while, all I found were weird minecraft builds.
What are you trying to do, a skull fortress?
Also, if let's say I wanted to make a flourishing kobold tribe (as described a few pages back...)In my experience kobold caves are always opened to the surface.
Are the caverns connected to the surface or would I need to make a temporary opening fort to get there?
Once I had such a 'cave' extend above the surface of one of my embarks, shaping a huge pillar of stone.. It was at least 5 z-levels high, it had holes filled with socks and kobolds all over it and two of them were stuck on top of the pillar with no way to get down. Ever.
I have no proof, but you got to believe me. It was beatiful in it's own ASCII-way.
ALL HAIL THE KOBOLD SPIRE!
Post by: Eric Blank on April 20, 2013, 03:03:34 pm
However, how are you going to create your kobold tribe in the first place, DarkDXZ? Kobolds aren't playable creatures by default, and currently it seems that most people wouldn't want to play a modded succession world game, maybe even if the only modifications made were to make kobolds playable.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 20, 2013, 03:16:17 pm
Post by: DVNO on April 20, 2013, 04:42:05 pm
First, take a look at the common dwarf skull. Eight pixels horizontally, roughly twelve pixels vertically. Let's take the bottom amount of pixels and assume that as the y axis as well to keep it simple.
(http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/dwarfsx0.jpg)
SO, take the base foundation of the project space, make it a square number, and double the amount of blocks height wise, shave the outmost top and bottom ring of blocks and you have the basic skull shape.
Add lava eyes.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 20, 2013, 05:50:20 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 20, 2013, 08:00:08 pm
So if something goes horribly wrong...
Post by: Mesa on April 21, 2013, 04:45:54 am
Eh, nonsensical positioning of blocks and creatures happens all the time in DF, no biggy. :P
However, how are you going to create your kobold tribe in the first place, DarkDXZ? Kobolds aren't playable creatures by default, and currently it seems that most people wouldn't want to play a modded succession world game, maybe even if the only modifications made were to make kobolds playable.
There's always that extra pocket world for shenanigans...
Post by: Mesa on April 27, 2013, 06:45:20 am
But as we're heading closer and closer towards the release...
Post by: Lolfail0009 on April 27, 2013, 07:02:08 am
INEBRIATE. INEBRIATE.
Post by: Rumrusher on April 27, 2013, 08:01:04 am
I'm not really clear on it either, but it seems that if there is an attack or something incoming and you have the observation skill to recognize it, you get a little menu or can open your menu and have some options to avoid or block it. Or some attack with a hefty bonus if your opponent leaves themselves open or something. There's probably some selection of possible actions that have some chance of occurring favorably or something like that based on your relative skills or whatever. I think it's mostly supposed to be active defense, to supplement your passive blocking/dodging/parrying you can do right now.it's not from having over 30 adventurers since I just check my save and it has 40 adventurers saved to it. I guess it's from having over 30 adventurers on top of their companions on top of having ~7 forts filled with rich history the game just can't handle that much adventurin.
Also, we ran into a massive problem (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104399.msg4171715#msg4171715) with the museum item quest game involving retired adventurers causing the game to crash in the adventurer selection menu. Braalbard said he's going to make a bug report for it within reasonable time, and hopefully Toady can get right on it because I managed to reproduce it just by going to the last save before the bug occurred and retiring another adventurer. Reproducible, easy to test, and a major bug that causes crashes, so if Toady at least gets the chance look at it he'll likely have it fixed relatively soon. Maybe not for this release, but it could happen within the next few bug fix releases.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 27, 2013, 08:08:57 am
If we use advanced world generation we aren't limited to regular dwarven vocabular anyways, so we can get really creative here and start a poll to decide.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 27, 2013, 08:14:29 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 27, 2013, 08:21:10 am
Post by: Mesa on April 27, 2013, 10:50:03 am
Kinda a shame since I had an awesome world with an isolated evil island. (I think I posted it somewhere in this thread)
Post by: mastahcheese on April 27, 2013, 05:30:39 pm
Ladies, gentlemen, prepare thine bodies for inebriation.Begin layering on multiple socks and cloaks!
INEBRIATE. INEBRIATE.
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 27, 2013, 06:09:36 pm
What will our world be called? The Plains of War? Chaostides?The Land of Land?
If we use advanced world generation we aren't limited to regular dwarven vocabular anyways, so we can get really creative here and start a poll to decide.
The Twelfth Bay?
The Succession World?
Post by: Eric Blank on April 27, 2013, 06:14:55 pm
Post by: DVNO on April 27, 2013, 10:05:10 pm
The Twelfth Bay?
I likey The Twelfth Bay alot.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 28, 2013, 01:23:34 am
We should set some parameters, sure, but we shouldn't hand craft it.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 28, 2013, 01:30:26 am
Post by: WillowLuman on April 28, 2013, 01:41:52 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on April 28, 2013, 02:31:31 am
Post by: Mesa on April 28, 2013, 06:00:02 am
May sound lame, but again, I rolled this name for the world I mentioned earlier. (if I could only find it)
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 28, 2013, 11:18:27 am
Why are we meticulously planning our world? We limit ourselves by not seeing what the RNG in this version can give us. This is the same reason I voted against modding.How are we supposed to 'hand craft' a world without other programms anyways?
We should set some parameters, sure, but we shouldn't hand craft it.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 28, 2013, 12:42:29 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 28, 2013, 04:42:02 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on April 29, 2013, 01:28:06 am
Why are we meticulously planning our world? We limit ourselves by not seeing what the RNG in this version can give us. This is the same reason I voted against modding.How are we supposed to 'hand craft' a world without other programms anyways?
We should set some parameters, sure, but we shouldn't hand craft it.
The World Painter function in advanced generation.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on April 29, 2013, 01:42:56 am
Post by: Mesa on April 29, 2013, 07:12:01 am
You know you want to, too.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 29, 2013, 10:35:47 am
Well, I wouldn't call that handcrafting, but ok.Why are we meticulously planning our world? We limit ourselves by not seeing what the RNG in this version can give us. This is the same reason I voted against modding.How are we supposed to 'hand craft' a world without other programms anyways?
We should set some parameters, sure, but we shouldn't hand craft it.
The World Painter function in advanced generation.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 29, 2013, 10:50:56 am
I think we shouldn't even use the advanced generator, unless we're bumping up the !!FUN!! a bit because we're ALL experienced players.Yeah, Toady One put in presets for a reason, and I think it would be best to just do that.
The only real reason I would want to adv gen it would be to make caves visible, and increase the good/evil region count, and since it's a community game, we would have time to find the caves.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 29, 2013, 12:33:59 pm
Also, plenty of volcanoes, since many people want to build on them, but a world no smaller than medium so that the world isn't mostly igneous in bedrock.
Post by: Broken on April 29, 2013, 02:28:24 pm
Post by: Spish on April 29, 2013, 03:32:43 pm
Yeah, Toady One put in presets for a reason, and I think it would be best to just do that.There are a quite a few things you can't do in a normally generated world, for instance, disabling bogeyman, or combining seeds to get the best outcome possible.
The only real reason I would want to adv gen it would be to make caves visible, and increase the good/evil region count, and since it's a community game, we would have time to find the caves.
What is our stance on bogeymen anyway?
Post by: Mesa on April 29, 2013, 03:35:30 pm
Yeah, Toady One put in presets for a reason, and I think it would be best to just do that.There are a quite a few things you can't do in a normally generated world, for instance, disabling bogeyman, or combining seeds to get the best outcome possible.
The only real reason I would want to adv gen it would be to make caves visible, and increase the good/evil region count, and since it's a community game, we would have time to find the caves.
What is our stance on bogeymen anyway?
DISABLE.
Those bastards, I seriously CANNOT play with them on.
Period.
Megabeasts - sure things. Titans - fine. Demons - might be FUN, what else is new.
But Boogeymen - never.
Post by: wer6 on April 29, 2013, 05:43:22 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on April 29, 2013, 06:11:10 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on April 29, 2013, 06:32:12 pm
Yeah, Toady One put in presets for a reason, and I think it would be best to just do that.There are a quite a few things you can't do in a normally generated world, for instance, disabling bogeyman, or combining seeds to get the best outcome possible.
The only real reason I would want to adv gen it would be to make caves visible, and increase the good/evil region count, and since it's a community game, we would have time to find the caves.
What is our stance on bogeymen anyway?
Annoying as shit. You might do fun things with them on your own, but on a succession game, people would waste so much of their time trying to get an adventurer to survive nights on journeys that they don't have much time left to do anything cool. Savescumming doesn't help there, because savescumming to have a guy live past the first night takes about as long as making a new guy.
Post by: mastahcheese on April 29, 2013, 08:40:57 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on April 29, 2013, 11:27:41 pm
Oh, right, the bogeymen....
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 30, 2013, 07:13:11 am
What's the turn list currently? I know I'm on the later end of it.
The succession list:This is the last one I found.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Seeing as I am one of the first players who signed on the list, Ill just say that Im not very good in Dwarf mode, I can set up A moderately okay-ish fort, but I am not the master of it, Pumping I got the basics, but beyond that im A complete fool, So dont mind my foolery. :PI have 'the feeling' *cough
that most of the people that regulary contribute to this thread are more experienced in DF than I am anyways, so...
I'll just stick to the general opinions, dropping some ideas from time to time, watching them either getting accepted or getting ripped into pieces :D
Post by: Inarius on April 30, 2013, 10:04:10 am
However, I don't master pumping at all.
And I have never dug through candy. It's too early for me (only my 6th fortress in 1 year of playing)
So, you know, I think this game is so large that mastering it all is not necessary to have fun.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 30, 2013, 11:54:34 am
It's almost like the tutorials are actually useful for a change :P
Back in MY day, I was completely oblivious to the tutorials, so I learned the game mostly by trial and error and pestering people that didn't really want to help me. And the wiki. My sixth or so fortress died of thirst because I didn't get farms up in time to brew booze, and had no access to water. It went on like that for a year or so before I finally got good at keeping a fortress alive long enough to see through a couple sieges. Never questioned the HFS, though; I could never have survived back then.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on April 30, 2013, 12:03:54 pm
Post by: Inarius on April 30, 2013, 04:26:13 pm
without tutorial, I think I would never have played this game. English is not my mother tongue and, even if I'm good enough to understand it, I don't think I would have succeed in "mastering" it. And, by the way, I also have a life outside of DF.
Too bad for you if you came to the game back to an epoch when it was so much harder for no good reason. I like when it's hard (no jokes ^^) but I don't like when it's hard for nothing. I could say that DF is just hard enough to please me.
I can assure you that, even if it's easier with tutorial and a more complete wiki, the game is not boring for that. It's still a long time to master everything, and when you think you've done with it, there are still plenty of things to do...and adventurer mode.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 30, 2013, 06:21:35 pm
I came because of TVtropes, a little over 2 years ago, and learned to play using a tutorial I hadn't realized was outdated. First fort died to HFS because I thought "I shall journey to the center of the earth!" Some guy was working on an artifact, flipped out when demons smashed his workshop and he killed 2 demons before getting incinerated. That's when I really fell in love with this game.
Post by: Orange Wizard on April 30, 2013, 08:33:17 pm
I always freak out a little when I hear new players say something like "this is only my fourth fortress, but I've figured out the military and nobody is dying of starvation/thirst."Hell, I've played hundreds of fortresses and I still lose them to dehydration because I didn't set up a booze industry.
It's almost like the tutorials are actually useful for a change :P
Back in MY day, I was completely oblivious to the tutorials, so I learned the game mostly by trial and error and pestering people that didn't really want to help me. And the wiki. My sixth or so fortress died of thirst because I didn't get farms up in time to brew booze, and had no access to water. It went on like that for a year or so before I finally got good at keeping a fortress alive long enough to see through a couple sieges. Never questioned the HFS, though; I could never have survived back then.
Post by: Eric Blank on April 30, 2013, 11:33:06 pm
I think that these succession-world games will probably be most fun when the worlds are simply generated from a random seed, without major modifications. Things like the number of volcanoes, beasts, caves and such are optional. Honestly I dunno just how insane the world will be with megabeasts and such actually wandering around occasionally. It might just get scary, especially if you set the starting pops for them real high.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 01, 2013, 08:08:04 pm
Post by: Urist Mc Dwarf on May 04, 2013, 07:05:01 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 04, 2013, 08:56:07 am
Post by: Urist Mc Dwarf on May 04, 2013, 06:19:57 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 04, 2013, 09:46:40 pm
Hello, we decided that we won't use any mods.I suppose there's the nonsense world, and someone could always start up a 2013 Modded Succession World once Toady's got the game mostly stable.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 05, 2013, 05:29:50 am
Post by: Rumrusher on May 05, 2013, 05:53:23 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 05, 2013, 08:05:16 am
Post by: Mesa on May 05, 2013, 11:07:36 am
(I guess that's kinda self-explanatory, but still)
Post by: Inarius on May 05, 2013, 12:40:17 pm
During the waiting time, we could test the new features to prepare our ideas for the Succession world...
Post by: wer6 on May 05, 2013, 05:10:55 pm
EDIT: I have played for about 4 months, i have made at least 9 forts, ((probably tens more)) and have at least 30 adventurer's die. However, I have no clue of military, Slow to start with food and water, and have never played with Siege engineering((ballista)) I Can make A squad go kill something, but that's the limit. My main power is in industrial forging,in the first year alone I mange to set my entire military up with AT LEAST iron armor, to steel armor. , And I mostly focus on traps((first wave of traps are for little things, spears and swords for example)) then comes maces for those armored, then battle axes for those who survive those. Also, I am horrible story teller.
I could ramble on about how terrible I am , but I will just leave it there ;)
EDIT EDIT: SPEEL CHECK
Post by: mastahcheese on May 05, 2013, 07:46:13 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 05, 2013, 10:47:05 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 08, 2013, 03:58:07 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 08, 2013, 04:05:56 am
Post by: Mesa on May 13, 2013, 12:11:45 am
DF2013: The Succession World? shudders and begins to move!
There has been kind of a drought lately, so I figured...
Post by: Eric Blank on May 13, 2013, 12:18:12 am
Post by: WillowLuman on May 13, 2013, 01:06:36 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 13, 2013, 06:22:27 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 13, 2013, 06:30:01 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 13, 2013, 06:34:38 am
Post by: mastahcheese on May 13, 2013, 12:25:12 pm
mastahcheese, can you tell us more about that world forge you told us about?Well, my idea was that I would embark on a volcano somewhere in the center of the world, so it would be fairly easy to access, and place about 20 magma forges and smelters in it, and people could try to get legendary smiths from around the world to come and marvel at it, and people could forge whatever they wanted there, so if you wanted a full suit of steel, you could go and make it there.
Natuarally, it would probably become the focal point of a megaproject or two, due to the accessability of the magma.
Post by: WillowLuman on May 13, 2013, 06:40:25 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 13, 2013, 06:45:06 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on May 13, 2013, 07:17:44 pm
Fire so cold it burns?Ice so hot it chills.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 14, 2013, 03:30:20 am
Provided that adventurers and their companions turn into citizens of the fort. Does anyone know if that will happen? I remember somebody saying something about multiracial fortresses being possible now. Like elves living in dwarven fortresses and dwarves in elven ones. But will they actually fulfill your orders or will 'guests' just be standing around doing nothing like creatures with the 'Friendly' tag in the units screen?mastahcheese, can you tell us more about that world forge you told us about?Well, my idea was that I would embark on a volcano somewhere in the center of the world, so it would be fairly easy to access, and place about 20 magma forges and smelters in it, and people could try to get legendary smiths from around the world to come and marvel at it, and people could forge whatever they wanted there, so if you wanted a full suit of steel, you could go and make it there.
Natuarally, it would probably become the focal point of a megaproject or two, due to the accessability of the magma.
Post by: Mesa on May 14, 2013, 06:54:50 am
ME WANT!
Post by: mastahcheese on May 14, 2013, 06:16:02 pm
So basically the Skyforge?I have no idea what this "Skyforge" is, but I'll assume the answer is "yes"
ME WANT!
Post by: Mesa on May 16, 2013, 02:37:33 pm
So basically the Skyforge?I have no idea what this "Skyforge" is, but I'll assume the answer is "yes"
ME WANT!
Essentially the Skyrim's only lava forge - no, seriously.
Here. (http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Skyforge)
Post by: Eric Blank on May 16, 2013, 03:55:41 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on May 16, 2013, 04:22:53 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on May 16, 2013, 06:36:04 pm
Oh yeah, the Aetherium forge. And bonus points, since it's dwemer :DYeah, I remember the Dwemer from when I played Morrowind, those crossbows rocked.
But yeah, basically that, but probably with more forges.
Post by: Mesa on May 17, 2013, 04:26:27 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 17, 2013, 05:04:13 am
No, wait, that's just Æther. Perhaps Ætherium is made from stuff between existence?
Post by: WillowLuman on May 17, 2013, 09:18:33 am
Post by: Eric Blank on May 17, 2013, 12:37:50 pm
The fact it is nigh-impossible to damage or otherwise work with does smell of adamantine, but only in that it's another fantastical god-material that happens to be blue.
Post by: WillowLuman on May 17, 2013, 01:08:47 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on May 17, 2013, 08:07:12 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on May 17, 2013, 08:13:20 pm
I am looking forward to sneaking around more now that NPCs' vision is impaired by light level and air quality. Otherwise the new sneak mechanic would have been impossible because you'd just get spotted immediately before you even knew what was looking at you.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 17, 2013, 08:28:21 pm
Post by: Mesa on May 19, 2013, 09:03:56 am
Anyway, but once it hits, it's gonna hit HARD!
Post by: Remuthra on May 19, 2013, 09:09:45 am
This release (as with every release) gets delayed more than Valve games with 3 in it. (you all know which one I'm talking about in particular)Team Fortress?
Anyway, but once it hits, it's gonna hit HARD!
Post by: Mesa on May 19, 2013, 09:12:14 am
This release (as with every release) gets delayed more than Valve games with 3 in it. (you all know which one I'm talking about in particular)Team Fortress?
Anyway, but once it hits, it's gonna hit HARD!
For me it's that one.
But vast majority of the community is talking about Half-Life.
Post by: WillowLuman on May 19, 2013, 12:54:02 pm
EDIT:This part erased, wrong thread...
Post by: Ruhn on May 20, 2013, 11:28:31 am
I like the idea of secret game logs.
- If an adventurer dies they don't post their journal until someone finds their body.
- Crimson knight is awesome.
- If a fortress falls (all dead, not abandoned) then history only posted if adventurer finds it and gets to another town.
Is there anything in fortress mode that we could designate as "the official book of history"?
It would have to be semi-easy to recognize.
A cloth image comes to mind, not sure how often people make those to sell to caravan though.
Finally, lots of mini-forts with a bridge/tunnel for crossing the larger rivers would come in handy.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 20, 2013, 11:50:07 am
*chin drops
I like the idea of secret game logs.
- If an adventurer dies they don't post their journal until someone finds their body.
....
- If a fortress falls (all dead, not abandoned) then history only posted if adventurer finds it and gets to another town.
Good idea, good idea...
Post by: WillowLuman on May 20, 2013, 12:45:06 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 20, 2013, 02:43:39 pm
WAIT, wait, wait, what if nobody wants to look for the body/fortress at all? What if nobody finds it?*chin drops
I like the idea of secret game logs.
- If an adventurer dies they don't post their journal until someone finds their body.
....
- If a fortress falls (all dead, not abandoned) then history only posted if adventurer finds it and gets to another town.
Good idea, good idea...
Post by: Eric Blank on May 20, 2013, 05:22:06 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 21, 2013, 12:52:30 am
Then no-one will ever know.WAIT, wait, wait, what if nobody wants to look for the body/fortress at all? What if nobody finds it?*chin drops
I like the idea of secret game logs.
- If an adventurer dies they don't post their journal until someone finds their body.
....
- If a fortress falls (all dead, not abandoned) then history only posted if adventurer finds it and gets to another town.
Good idea, good idea...
Post by: Mesa on May 21, 2013, 12:38:26 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 21, 2013, 06:02:16 pm
inb4 Urist McHolmes.
Benedodok Cumberakust!
Post by: WillowLuman on May 21, 2013, 06:28:44 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 21, 2013, 11:47:08 pm
I don't know about setting history to not reveal, though, as while there might be cool mystery, we might not get to know things that would be really important to know. We could just not reveal things, and then agree to leave legends mode alone.This sounds like the best idea.
Post by: Mesa on May 22, 2013, 07:22:50 am
Let's keep it that way, folks.
Post by: Ruhn on May 22, 2013, 12:01:07 pm
Is having a separate item for the fort's journal a bit too much then?
I guess we can just do pure roleplay if the adventurer makes it to something that looks like a mayor's office.
Post by: Mesa on May 22, 2013, 02:35:15 pm
Something makes me think that this thing is going to reach popularity of Boatmurdered. (or at least something like Syrupleaf, since Boatmurdered is the pinnacle of succession gaming)
Also,
Succession Gaming, coming soon to a YouTube/Steam/whatever near you.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 22, 2013, 03:25:51 pm
Hard-pressed to keep it going. Got to rapidly find someone who's ready to take a turn, and present a very entertaining adventure log.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 22, 2013, 05:31:36 pm
Succession Gaming, coming soon to a YouTube/Steam/whatever near you.I know I'll be recording my turn.
Post by: Mesa on May 23, 2013, 11:43:49 am
- Crimson Knight thingy
- World Forge Center (*cue rocs flying into it*)
- bridge-forts
- "What happens in the fortress stays in the fortress" ie. not looking into Legends Mode
For all I care we also need more WFC-type things, even if they might just turn out to be downright pointless. (Cheesemakers' Cave, eh?)
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 23, 2013, 12:33:21 pm
So the semi-megaprojects and quirks of the game so far:Don't know what you mean with 'WFC-type things', but here's a repost of a list that I made previously. It contains suggested projects, some by me, some by others.
- Crimson Knight thingy
- World Forge Center (*cue rocs flying into it*)
- bridge-forts
- "What happens in the fortress stays in the fortress" ie. not looking into Legends Mode
For all I care we also need more WFC-type things, even if they might just turn out to be downright pointless. (Cheesemakers' Cave, eh?)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WillowLuman on May 23, 2013, 12:51:16 pm
Post by: Mesa on May 23, 2013, 12:57:11 pm
So the semi-megaprojects and quirks of the game so far:Don't know what you mean with 'WFC-type things', but here's a repost of a list that I made previously. It contains suggested projects, some by me, some by others.
- Crimson Knight thingy
- World Forge Center (*cue rocs flying into it*)
- bridge-forts
- "What happens in the fortress stays in the fortress" ie. not looking into Legends Mode
For all I care we also need more WFC-type things, even if they might just turn out to be downright pointless. (Cheesemakers' Cave, eh?)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
WFC-type thing ie. World-forge, but with other types of workshops.
Like, a World-Craftsdwarf's Shop or World-Still. (aka the world's biggest brewery)
Which honestly sounds like a good idea, to have a HUGE brewery somewhere, supplying multiple civs with delicious, delicious booze. (won't work anyway due to lack of any kind of economy in-game right now)
Post by: Ruhn on May 23, 2013, 04:53:17 pm
Post by: Mesa on May 25, 2013, 04:22:54 am
(and then I wonder if that would show up on the world map, but I'm guessing no)
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 25, 2013, 07:06:46 am
At some point we've got to make an island out of obsidian via lava and water pump stacks (if it's how that works, I never got to that part).THIS! THIS x481926516541605631874021369042676141!
(and then I wonder if that would show up on the world map, but I'm guessing no)
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 25, 2013, 07:43:45 am
And immediately drops to the ocean's floor because there are no supports.
With supports it should be fine though.
Post by: Eric Blank on May 25, 2013, 07:49:42 am
Post by: WillowLuman on May 25, 2013, 12:43:16 pm
Post by: Mesa on May 25, 2013, 01:14:09 pm
Bring it!
Theoretical plan of execution:
1. Make a 1x1 embark. (or otherwise a really small one) near the ocean
2. Dig to the magma layer.
3. Pump it out into a tank of sorts.
4. Retire.
5. Create a long but thin (that's what she said) embark from the extraction site to the point of destination on the ocean.
6. Somehow make a bridge leading there. (via the caverns, maybe? but then how not to flood the thing when going up...)
7. Transport the lava.
8. Build a pump stack tower.
9. Pump lava to the top.
10. POUR IT!
11. ??? (at this stage most PCs start to burn from the lava and other things)
12. PROFIT!
There are probably finer ways to do it, but whatever, I'm not a fort player.
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 28, 2013, 12:07:49 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 28, 2013, 07:36:27 am
WHATEVER!To do that you'll have to create the new 'long' site on top on the first one. Which (I think, I may be wrong, never tried to) is currently not possible.
Bring it!
Theoretical plan of execution:
1. Make a 1x1 embark. (or otherwise a really small one) near the ocean
2. Dig to the magma layer.
3. Pump it out into a tank of sorts.
4. Retire.
5. Create a long but thin (that's what she said) embark from the extraction site to the point of destination on the ocean.
6. Somehow make a bridge leading there. (via the caverns, maybe? but then how not to flood the thing when going up...)
7. Transport the lava.
8. Build a pump stack tower.
9. Pump lava to the top.
10. POUR IT!
11. ??? (at this stage most PCs start to burn from the lava and other things)
12. PROFIT!
There are probably finer ways to do it, but whatever, I'm not a fort player.
My PC starts to burn at the "bigger than 1x1 embark" bit.Ouch.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on May 28, 2013, 08:47:21 am
It would be the tallest ever dwarven made structure, and your computer would incinerate itself.Note taken.
Post by: Ruhn on May 28, 2013, 11:38:00 am
Post by: mastahcheese on May 28, 2013, 03:53:27 pm
If the lava chute into the Ocean only has a single urist outflow, it should create a 1x1 pillar to the bottom and minimize lag? Once that pillar reaches the surface, i would hope further obsidian created would attach to the existing pillar, instead of sinking to the bottom.I think that's how it works.
Post by: Mesa on May 28, 2013, 11:45:21 pm
If the lava chute into the Ocean only has a single urist outflow, it should create a 1x1 pillar to the bottom and minimize lag? Once that pillar reaches the surface, i would hope further obsidian created would attach to the existing pillar, instead of sinking to the bottom.I think that's how it works.
Would be worth a small-scale try before we start acting like gods of some sort, creating islands and stuff.
Post by: Mesa on June 02, 2013, 02:04:14 pm
How is that exactly gonna work? Are we going to go for various people via the player logs in the "main" thread or what?
Post by: Mesa on June 07, 2013, 02:10:46 pm
UNACCEPTABLE!
But OT, with so many players willing to participate and the fact that some may not do anything related to what others want to do in their turn (so let's say that someone wants to build the world-forge while someone else just wants to see that island in the remote corner of the world).
How are we going to handle that?
I don't want to have to wait for half a year just to start playing and by that time there probably won't be much to do. (could and probably am wrong, though)
Post by: WillowLuman on June 07, 2013, 02:16:40 pm
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on June 07, 2013, 03:03:54 pm
We already worked out a rapid turn system.I might not have noticed/can't remember the details. Could you please summarize this system for me and the others who might want to know?
So about the assassins' guild that was mentioned in the megaprojects list...The way leaders, kings for example, become leaders will be changed in the next version. There will always be multiple people (Barons for example) waiting for a chance to become the next leader (King). Once the king dies, the barons and his heirs will claim the throne for themselves, but in the end only one can become the new king. Let's say you want to influence the worlds politics directly. The king has two sons, but you want the younger one to become king because he likes cheese or something like that. The way to achieve that would be to kill the other candidates, the older brother and some barons. And of course the king himself.
How is that exactly gonna work? Are we going to go for various people via the player logs in the "main" thread or what?
Post by: mastahcheese on June 07, 2013, 11:12:42 pm
It's a little more precise than that, but that's the jist of it.
Post by: Krevsin on June 08, 2013, 12:16:28 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on June 08, 2013, 03:55:48 am
PDA (Personal Dwarf Assistant): Heavily boozed up and bribed exorbitantly.
Music: Playing on shuffle/repeat. List constantly growing.
Designs: Drawn up, many discarded.
Overseering practice: Ain't nobody got time for dat!
I AM READY.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on June 08, 2013, 04:01:37 am
I... want in on this. IT SHALL BE GLORIOUS, and I'll probably end up with a sparsely populated dwarven bunker with corpses and blood strewn about like it was Dorfmas. Excellent.Well, uhm, the turn list....
I think I might have missed putting a few people on the list. I'll fix that soon and add you too.
Welcome.
Post by: Mesa on June 09, 2013, 12:32:11 pm
I mean, I've got bigger fish to fry atm, ie. Cat-aclysm (CURSE THE FUNGAL BLOOM!) and other shenanigans, but this waiting is killing me.
Especially since almost everyone expected the release to come out before the DF2012 anniversary.
Post by: Krevsin on June 09, 2013, 12:49:55 pm
Post by: Mesa on June 09, 2013, 12:51:45 pm
i, for one, do not care when it is going tobe released, as long as it is amazing. :P
But waiting for well over a year (for some people) might be a bit discouraging.
Post by: Eric Blank on June 09, 2013, 12:57:48 pm
Toady's keeping us well up to date on what's going on.
Post by: Inarius on June 09, 2013, 02:43:32 pm
I don't even know now if this will be release before septembre or even in 2013...whereas i thought first it would come up by March.
Post by: mastahcheese on June 09, 2013, 05:01:17 pm
I'm sure that when they do release it will be well worth it.
Post by: Inarius on June 10, 2013, 02:25:53 am
If you look at the last 12 months donations :
3 600
3 905
3 594
2 713
3 580
4 055
3 917
3 254
3 244
5 518
5 597
3 364
You can see that it is quite constant. There was two good months in May and April, but it's (in my opinion) the MoMa effect. However, it's still a shame that the numbers are so low, when you see for example how much a kickstarter can bring to some projects (which, often, are less interesting than DF)
Post by: Lolfail0009 on June 10, 2013, 11:16:40 pm
It's not particularly discouraging :
If you look at the last 12 months donations :
3 600
3 905
3 594
2 713
3 580
4 055
3 917
3 254
3 244
5 518
5 597
3 364
You can see that it is quite constant. There was two good months in May and April, but it's (in my opinion) the MoMa effect. However, it's still a shame that the numbers are so low, when you see for example how much a kickstarter can bring to some projects (which, often, are less interesting than DF)
Toady could apply for a Kickstarter, I believe. I don't claim to know all the T&Cs, but because the game is still in development...
Post by: Inarius on June 10, 2013, 11:49:03 pm
Post by: Krevsin on June 11, 2013, 11:50:16 am
When you see that Stoneheart has had 750k (and that it's some sub-DF with minecraft graphics), perhaps for example multithreading could be delegated, or things like that that Toady can't do alone (and don't have time to).I dunno, Stonehearth had some pretty nice graphics to it. I think the ASCII glory of DF would scare
Post by: Lolfail0009 on June 13, 2013, 07:02:06 pm
Gaming industry in a nutshell.weakling graphic whorespotential donators
With exceptions. The Last Of Us is ALLOWED to have graphics that good, because the rest of the game is better.
Post by: Ruhn on June 18, 2013, 11:42:33 am
Post by: Bobnova on June 18, 2013, 12:15:00 pm
When DF2012 came out that was a $12k month if I remember correctly.
Post by: Matoro on June 18, 2013, 12:28:02 pm
I can imagine a world being genned from year two (or zero if someone has figured out how), and advancing onward into years with triple digits, possibly even quadruple if the world is just that good.
Only problem in starting from the dwan of the time is the lack of vampires and werebeasts and necromancers. And what is a world without them? Boring.
Otherwise, awesome idea.
Post by: WillowLuman on June 18, 2013, 05:45:28 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on June 18, 2013, 05:57:39 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on June 18, 2013, 06:00:49 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on June 18, 2013, 06:09:06 pm
Post by: Mesa on June 21, 2013, 07:27:01 am
Oh well.
In other news, bumping this from the third page. (top of the page, but still)
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on June 21, 2013, 11:10:02 am
I already enjoyed DF before the necromancer update last year (oh shit, time has passed), but yeah, that's a point.I can imagine a world being genned from year two (or zero if someone has figured out how), and advancing onward into years with triple digits, possibly even quadruple if the world is just that good.
Only problem in starting from the dwan of the time is the lack of vampires and werebeasts and necromancers. And what is a world without them? Boring.
Otherwise, awesome idea.
Post by: Mesa on June 29, 2013, 05:37:09 am
Goddamnit, I just want this damn thing to be a thing so that I can actually enjoy playing DF again (stuck with Cogmind and Cata in roguelike department atm).
Post by: Spish on June 29, 2013, 10:51:43 am
'Sides, you won't actually get to play until the DF2013 succession world is well underway. Which could be a quite a long time from now, to say the least.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on June 30, 2013, 05:49:27 am
'I've mostly been discovering and repairing broken gob map connections, which is a pain since the largest structure can be more than 150 Z levels from top to bottom (mostly underground).'
Looks like I'll be spending more time in adventure mode in after the next update.
I'll update the sucession list today, I'll edit it in this post.
Here is the last one I posted. I forgot to put some people on it, so it'll have to be updated.
1.mastahcheese
2.wer6
3.(NAV)
4.Kalemyr Skyfire
5.(Xantalos)
6.eharper256
7.Yuli Vlasi
8.Broken
9.GreatWyrmGold
10.Delioth
11.antlion12
12.(aussieevil)
13.Wolfy
14.TheKaspa - Dorf only
15.wowie
16.StLeibowitz
17.InsanityIncarnate
18.Volfgarix
19.apiks
20.BronzeAge
21.Absolutis
22.Shrimp12345
23.☼!!Troll Fur Sock!!☼
24.SilverDragon
25.Talvieno
26.Bloax
27.Glloyd
28.Insanity X
29.Volidrus
30.Scootagoose
31.Gavakis
32.Stoutpants
33.Inarius
34.HugoLuman
35.Lightningfalcon
36.Tevish Szat
37.kerlc
38.mocman
39.Sindain
40.Giver99
41.Korbac
42.DarkDXZ
43.lwCoyote
44.hairypotatoes
45.Spish
46.The Hadad
47.Lolfail0009
48.Dwarvinator
Post by: Krevsin on June 30, 2013, 06:28:43 am
If world sucession will operate on a similar principle, we should be well past the 1GB mark when we reach the 40th player.
Also, you forgot to add me to the player list.
Post by: Spish on June 30, 2013, 10:12:12 am
Post by: Mesa on June 30, 2013, 02:41:08 pm
I am hosting an ASG (link in the sig) and playing two evolution games, so I'm fairly occupied for the time being.
Still though, can't wait for the damn release to come out already. I believe that the only things there are left to do are the finalization of sites (and adding kobold sites), right? Or am I missing something?
Post by: mastahcheese on June 30, 2013, 05:41:17 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on June 30, 2013, 07:46:12 pm
I'M FORTY-SEVENTH!
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on July 01, 2013, 09:29:59 am
Also, you forgot to add me to the player list.I know ^^
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEI missed at least two people, you could be number 50.
I'M FORTY-SEVENTH!
I still haven't updated the list.
Post by: DVNO on July 12, 2013, 12:25:21 am
I'd like to start a League of Vampire hunters, for example. Like Fort Dawnguard from Skyrim. It's not like I'm RDM'ing everybody or anything like that.
If my mission statement is 'kill all vampires' and I have to let PC vampires live, then it kind of puts the quest in an endless, pointless loop.
If this isn't a problem, id like a turn.
Post by: mastahcheese on July 12, 2013, 12:28:05 am
I think you're ok, I might even intentionally make some super-powered vamps for you to go after. Maybe lure a vamp to a fort, and chuck his bleeding body in the water supply with no booze around.
Post by: Eric Blank on July 12, 2013, 08:02:33 am
Post by: wer6 on July 20, 2013, 11:40:39 am
EDIT: also can I take another spot? I wanna have both the first and one of the last worlds, too see the difference bewteen the new eworld and hte hellish cuthulu ridden death that bay12 has made onto that world.
Post by: mastahcheese on July 20, 2013, 04:38:13 pm
I believe I am first, so what shoul di do, should I adventure or fort first? decisions decisions.Actually, you're second, I'm first.
EDIT: also can I take another spot? I wanna have both the first and one of the last worlds, too see the difference bewteen the new eworld and hte hellish cuthulu ridden death that bay12 has made onto that world.
And I don't think we'll be doing this exactly by the list, anyways, so you could probably arrange that.
Post by: Timeless Bob on July 20, 2013, 06:24:42 pm
I'm also a bit impatient to have a living, evolving world to mess around in myself. Instead of waiting for whatever Toady comes up with in the nebulous future, I set up the Timeline Challenge mentioned in my sig. Until the update comes around, that may be something to mess around with to scratch the itch.
Post by: Orange Wizard on July 21, 2013, 03:17:00 pm
Post by: Mesa on July 30, 2013, 10:10:29 am
DF2013: The Succession World? shudders and begins to move!
On a more serious note, I absolutely can't wait to visit the deep dorf sites. (or any sites, really)
Especially if we get a whole system of deep dwarven forts connected via the caverns.
So much fun and Fun is to be had if that's the case.
If not, well, there's a lot of other stuff to do.
Post by: wer6 on August 17, 2013, 09:31:38 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on August 17, 2013, 09:46:13 pm
I will LOVE THAT! imagine a bunch of pale dwarfs, and then we expoose the entire cavern with the light of day and watch them BURN! :DDwarves spontaneously combusting? Just a normal day in Dwarf Fortress.
Post by: Kalsb on August 18, 2013, 08:52:22 am
Post by: sjm9876 on August 18, 2013, 08:59:10 am
Hey, mind if I join if this thing ever gets off the ground?^ This
Post by: WillowLuman on August 18, 2013, 07:11:50 pm
Post by: Baffler on August 18, 2013, 07:14:54 pm
Post by: ShadowHammer on August 18, 2013, 08:23:06 pm
On a similar topic, does anyone have guesstimates for release date?
Post by: mastahcheese on August 19, 2013, 12:06:47 am
On a similar topic, does anyone have guesstimates for release date?This has been asked so many times on the Future of the Fortress thread, and on so many other threads, that honestly I think that any further speculation has become moot.
All I can say is that I know it will be awesome when it does come out.
Post by: Mesa on August 19, 2013, 05:50:30 am
Because high school is scary stuff. ;_;
(I know that school is school ie. you do nothing for the most part, but still)
Post by: WillowLuman on August 19, 2013, 12:26:45 pm
Post by: Ruhn on August 19, 2013, 03:22:43 pm
I would also definitely like to be included if this ever starts up. SO MUCH AWESOME! Might take awhile to do a full rotation with fifty players on the list, so perhaps this thread could be split into, say, ten child threads with links to this one? They would all have the same basic premise, and they could start out as the same world, but then would be shaped and changed by the players. It would be cool to see how much we could influence history.
On a similar topic, does anyone have guesstimates for release date?
I think the plan was this will be the "official original first" succession world, but other succession worlds with their own themes will surely pop up.
With so many people we can have strict rules for turn start and length to keep it moving.
Post by: wer6 on August 25, 2013, 03:30:06 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on August 25, 2013, 03:35:46 pm
Are we gonna have A graphics pack? because I haven't had DF in ASCII in so long I forgot how to read it.If you want to put one in when it's your turn, I'd say go ahead.
It wouldn't bother me, at least.
Post by: wer6 on August 25, 2013, 07:19:26 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on September 10, 2013, 11:48:22 pm
Im theProbably.firstsecond person, I don't know if I'd anger the entire player pack by doing that :P
I always get crazy tileset issues when I try to use a non-graphics version of a game previously used with graphics.
Post by: wer6 on September 12, 2013, 08:38:37 pm
Post by: Mesa on November 04, 2013, 01:07:40 am
I'm just kind of bored, really.
At least this isn't just a
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Bump.
Alright, it kind of is, but... :V
Post by: mastahcheese on November 04, 2013, 01:13:30 am
I can't wait for the release! It sounds like they're in the final runs, though, so it shouldn't be much longer.
I can't blame them for it taking this long, I mean, it's pretty much the biggest shift since it went 3D.
Post by: Eric Blank on November 04, 2013, 01:25:12 am
My first objective will be to pick one town on one of these games, and slaughter the entire population, maybe even by assassinating lone individuals without witnesses. And escape whatever mob comes after me by climbing onto the roofs and jumping between buildings. Then throwing coconuts at them.
Post by: mastahcheese on November 04, 2013, 01:33:52 am
I imagine there will be several adventure mode succession games running after this release. The Museum game is so much damn fun as it stands, and with bugs like wildlife populations going extinct during adventure mode play and town populations being infinite having been solved, it's going to be possible to keep games going strong for much, much longer without running out of things to slaughter.Yeah, I imagine this will start with a single fort being founded just out of tradition, and then crazy adventurer antics abound for years in-game until someone is finally done with it.
My first objective will be to pick one town on one of these games, and slaughter the entire population, maybe even by assassinating lone individuals without witnesses. And escape whatever mob comes after me by climbing onto the roofs and jumping between buildings. Then throwing coconuts at them.
Post by: DVNO on November 04, 2013, 02:22:57 am
We knew of words like luxury, vanity, greed. We still know the phonetics, but, cowering in our walled off holes, the meanings are unattainable. Almost as if fanciful-like notions.
There were two eras. One, where we dwarves prospered, engorged on the very bones of the earth with nary a single thought. Our hunger was unrivaled. All lesser races before us were pushed aside and dispatched aggressively when ever they barricaded us from our endless feast. Our birthright. And then, when our power reached it's final height? When we thought we had slain fear itself and so pompously thought our adolescence as a god-race was nearing an end; We chipped away at gaia's very soul itself! This hubris lead to the age of the clown and all was dragged, kicking and screaming back into darkness.
Do not resist this bizarre new world order, my child. Dare not! No matter what your naive heart tells you; This is not the age of the Dwarf. This is not the age of the adventurer. Those were the days of loaves and grapes. This is the age of fires, this is the age of plague and floods and pillars of salt! This is the age of the Clown!"
I seriously can't wait for someone to uncork the spoilers and watch the ripple effect as the clowns slowly change everyone's Forts and adventures. A truly cataclysmic event. That's what I crave.
Post by: mastahcheese on November 04, 2013, 02:40:49 pm
Post by: Ruhn on November 04, 2013, 03:28:54 pm
I don't think our bearded friends are smart enough to lock down a fortress automatically when danger comes.
Post by: Eric Blank on November 04, 2013, 04:51:00 pm
Good news is, though, that Toady mentioned he hasn't gotten megabeasts or demons roaming around like night trolls do, and even when they do, demons might not flood outwards in droves to conquer the world. They'll just make the region surrounding the fortress completely inaccessible by any decent standard :P
Post by: Kydrasz on November 04, 2013, 04:56:59 pm
Post by: Elephant Parade on November 11, 2013, 03:54:11 am
Edit:
:PIt could even be DF2014... We don't know how long it will take for The Almighty to complete his plans for the next release.
IIRC, he mentioned in the latest DF Talk that he's aiming for a march 2013 release... I think that's him being way too generous, but still. 2 months to go! :D
Post by: Mesa on November 13, 2013, 01:16:24 am
Posting to watch.
Edit::PIt could even be DF2014... We don't know how long it will take for The Almighty to complete his plans for the next release.
IIRC, he mentioned in the latest DF Talk that he's aiming for a march 2013 release... I think that's him being way too generous, but still. 2 months to go! :D
I want to go and tell my past self (and your past selves, for that matter) that the new DF release is still not out in November 2013.
And see their, and thus also ours, hearts, crashed.
Post by: FireCrazy on November 13, 2013, 08:50:03 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on November 16, 2013, 02:51:21 am
This is a thing!
Post by: Elephant Parade on November 16, 2013, 12:52:06 pm
Post by: wer6 on November 16, 2013, 01:23:14 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on November 16, 2013, 02:33:33 pm
Post by: Rhyme on November 16, 2013, 03:19:55 pm
Post by: Mesa on November 17, 2013, 07:58:19 am
IN MAY! (actually every month, for that matter)
In any case, I really do hope that this time DF2013 actually comes out within a month. Pretty sure that it has been delayed many a time already. (for good reasons, though)
I want to become the
That is, steal. :P
Come on, imagine all the stories that could spawn from this!
Thief: The Dwarf Project, anyone?
Post by: FireCrazy on November 17, 2013, 09:47:16 am
As for my estimate of the release date, I'm thinking late December.
Post by: mastahcheese on November 17, 2013, 07:54:43 pm
The retire it so that the next person to make a fortress will get flooded with vampire immigrants.
Bwahahahha.
Then steal a necromancer slab and make 40 necromancer dwarf adventurers and retire them.
Post by: FireCrazy on November 18, 2013, 03:53:03 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on November 18, 2013, 03:59:26 am
But no pigs. No pigs. Maybe no dwarves by the end of it :P
Post by: WillowLuman on November 18, 2013, 05:06:11 pm
I'll create a fort filled with twisted passages and horrific machinery...
But no pigs. No pigs. Maybe no dwarves by the end of it :P
It's hard to replicate Amnesia in a top-down game, you know.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on November 18, 2013, 07:25:41 pm
I'll create a fort filled with twisted passages and horrific machinery...
But no pigs. No pigs. Maybe no dwarves by the end of it :P
It's hard to replicate Amnesia in a top-down game, you know.
Yeah, we need to tone down the insanity a bit...
Well, If I abandon and reclaim after a few FBs get in, then it's dark with monsters about.
Post by: mastahcheese on November 19, 2013, 01:34:57 am
It will be glorious.
And there will probably be a dozen dwarf babies that have killed a titan from the day they were born.
Post by: WillowLuman on November 19, 2013, 01:45:38 pm
Post by: Mesa on November 19, 2013, 04:31:58 pm
I mean, this is pretty much the closest we'll ever get to real-time multiplayer, right? (excluding stuff like inter-world travel, maybe)
Which gets me that much more hyped, being able to visit Boatmurdered wannabe forts and all.
And bring in some stuff should you guys need it. :)
Aaanyway, the hype has long ago killed me now...
Post by: StLeibowitz on November 19, 2013, 06:39:20 pm
After like the first 6 turns or so, every migrant wave will be filled with vampires, necromancers, were-beasts, and dwarves that are actively on fire.
As opposed to passively on fire?
Post by: wer6 on November 19, 2013, 10:08:41 pm
Post by: Mesa on November 23, 2013, 07:00:27 am
Because if so, then it could easily result in some nifty symbiosis of sorts.
Of course people probably have much better ideas than that, but still.
Post by: FireCrazy on November 23, 2013, 07:42:23 pm
Post by: wer6 on November 23, 2013, 09:25:53 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on November 23, 2013, 10:16:06 pm
I guess the answer is yes, but someone remind me - does retiring as an adventurer in a retired (e) fort make you a citizen of that fort when switching to fortress mode? (and can companions retire, too?)
Because if so, then it could easily result in some nifty symbiosis of sorts.
Of course people probably have much better ideas than that, but still.
I think so, from what I can remember in one of the DF Talks.
I also think so, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that this was going to be possible.
Post by: Ruhn on November 23, 2013, 10:43:41 pm
< builds huge wall around fort, making sure no evil adventurers come in and science up the place/ burn to ground.
I had a similar idea. Doing a bunch of 1x5 embarks around a main fortress and building walls. I think it will have in impact on invading armies? Either they wouldn't be able to target the utopia inside for attacks, or they would have to fight through the outer fortress gates.
In a future release it would be cool to get alerts if nearby settlements are sieged, or fall.
Post by: Mesa on November 24, 2013, 11:15:37 am
Post by: Mesa on December 01, 2013, 04:55:26 pm
Also, we need to build a fortress dedicated to being a sort of "hero resort" where adventurers can retire and be pulled off for fortress-saving purposes as needed.
So many ideas, yet we're still waiting.
DarkDXZ is sad
Post by: mastahcheese on December 01, 2013, 05:47:32 pm
Well, my instinct tells me that unless Toady gets struck by a strange mood, it's a good idea to rename the title to DF2014.I'll wait at least until Christmas before doing that.
Post by: apiks on December 02, 2013, 06:08:29 am
Post by: Rhyme on December 02, 2013, 07:15:26 am
If he releases it on Christmas, I might as well give him a cookie.+1, but cakes are better
Post by: apiks on December 02, 2013, 07:48:10 am
If he releases it on Christmas, I might as well give him a cookie.+1, but cakes are better
Right. I full-heatedly agree. Might as well make Santa's little elf do it.
*turns around and shouts*
"Mastahcheese! Where's ye pastry maker?
Post by: MDFification on December 02, 2013, 06:24:46 pm
... once the people ahead of me on the list are dead of course.
Can I recommend modding the game for better FPS? It shouldn't take long to do, but will help avert the anti-climatic death of many otherwise legendary forts.
Also when the nemesis bug inevitably shows up Armok help us all.
EDIT:
What happens when we inevitably unleash hell, get overrun due to inadequate prep, and let the demons just migrate into the fort next door?
Post by: mastahcheese on December 02, 2013, 11:29:01 pm
Man if this turns out to be possible I'm so in.Well, since we'll be running a real-world timer for turns, anything that results in FPS death will likely just be retired, and the stuff from the retired fort will just immigrate to new people's forts.
... once the people ahead of me on the list are dead of course.
Can I recommend modding the game for better FPS? It shouldn't take long to do, but will help avert the anti-climatic death of many otherwise legendary forts.
Also when the nemesis bug inevitably shows up Armok help us all.
So it should pose less of an issue that it normally would. Such is the advantage of the game lasting multiple, separate forts/adventures rather than just one.
What happens when we inevitably unleash hell, get overrun due to inadequate prep, and let the demons just migrate into the fort next door?Well, then we just try to handle it the best we can for as long as we can.
Post by: Elephant Parade on December 02, 2013, 11:33:50 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on December 02, 2013, 11:48:21 pm
How many people have signed up? If enough people have, and the turns are too long, the next version will be out before it gets to me.Something on the ridiculous range.
The way we'll do it is that when someone ends their turn, they'll announce it, and then for 24 (or however many) hours, people can say if they can take the next go, and of all the people that say they can, the person that is currently highest on the list will get precedent, and then be shunted back down to the bottom of the list when their turn ends.
So it won't exactly go in order, so that we don't end up with periods of waiting on just one person who doesn't respond.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 03, 2013, 05:51:43 am
Post by: Ruhn on December 03, 2013, 10:10:53 am
Post by: Mesa on December 03, 2013, 10:15:14 am
That actually seems like a very efficient way to go about it.
I like that idea a lot too.
+1
I'm totally not gonna bribe people to skip their turns so that I can play myself earlier on our world...
I'm really not going to do that - there'd be nothing for me to do, seeing as I don't play Fortress mode.
Maybe there still would be something (new sites and such), but not as much as if I did let people build their megaprojects first.
Post by: bsnott on December 08, 2013, 02:22:12 pm
Spoiler: DF2013 (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mesa on December 13, 2013, 11:49:18 am
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In part for preparation of restoring governments after completing insurrections and otherwise turning over sites to other people, but also just for the mess of village-to-village fighting, you can now claim a site when you are there. Which site claims from which entities take precedence in a given site should be pretty complicated later on, but it's not time for more complications, so the recognized claim (for purposes of diplomacy and site disputes and displacement after invasions and all that) is just based at this point on who is physically holding the main building (whether that's a keep or a mead hall). A neighboring site entity maintains old grudges and other diplomatic info with a site entity even when it has lost its site, but the neighbor won't act on that for the time being, and the newly recognized site entity will be the one it now treats with. Regular citizens have their various factional loyalties (which we'll work with as we head into more insurrection notes), but they basically don't care who is in charge as long as the new leaders aren't real trouble (like goblin occupiers). That said, it's quite possible for this release that there'll be enough variety that you'll have more trouble taking over a site where citizens appreciate the current leadership more than average, since they'll be willing to jump in.
In order to make a claim, you have to tell somebody else about it, since an entity can't just exist in your own mind (although there might be reasons for something like that later, to establish rules for retired hermits in a ruin or something). Once you state a claim, you become the leader of a new site entity based on your current culture, but it is meaningless (other than as a new rumor) if you don't take the main building from the previous owners (at which point you get a handy announcement). What you do with control of the site is going to be up to you, in a few limited ways anyway. Once you've got a successful site claim, if you don't just want to retire, you'll be able to pass it off to a subordinate or give it to your former leader to handle as they please. Or you can run around the world with some of your own guards (in which case you'll probably lose the top site claim shortly after somebody looks your town's way).
In this simplistic system, the overall power of people is basically determined by the total population after considering the number of abstract tribute relationships they maintain. Note that taking over a site doesn't necessarily involve killing everybody in the main structure -- the upcoming plan is that if they yield, they can become regular citizens of the new entity, or if they run (or are sent away), they'll become bandits (taking their old entity and its site claim with them). You should also be able to leave a defeated leader in charge without ever making a site claim of your own in the first place, forcing them to send (abstract) tribute to whomever you want (including one of your own site entities elsewhere) for as long as it takes them to reassert themselves and break the agreement. So yeah, it still needs work, but it should be reasonably fun to mess around with even in its current form.
I think this might be interesting for our Succession World business. *wink wink nudge nudge*
Post by: Mesa on December 13, 2013, 05:47:32 pm
Clearly the boredom is high when I make videos and even record my voice. In bloody English! Now that's heresy!
"Once, we knew words other than that pertaining to war. Words like, loaves, and grapes, and peace and love.
We knew of words like luxury, vanity, greed. We still know the phonetics, but, cowering in our walled off holes, the meanings are unattainable. Almost as if fanciful-like notions.
There were two eras. One, where we dwarves prospered, engorged on the very bones of the earth with nary a single thought. Our hunger was unrivaled. All lesser races before us were pushed aside and dispatched aggressively and effectively when ever they barricaded us from our endless feast. Our birthright. And then, when our power reached it's final height? When we thought we had slain fear itself and so pompously thought our adolescence as a god-race was nearing an end; We chipped away at gaia's very soul itself! This hubris lead to the age of the clown and all was dragged, kicking and screaming back into darkness.
Do not resist this bizarre new world order, my child. Dare not! No matter what your naive heart tells you; This is not the age of the Dwarf. This is not the age of the adventurer. Those were the days of loaves and grapes. This is the age of fires, this is the age of plague and floods and pillars of salt! This is the age of the Clown!"
Post by: mastahcheese on December 13, 2013, 07:07:56 pm
I think when it's released, and I make the world and take my first turn, the first thing I'll do is make an adventurer, not to go mess with people and their homes, but just to go see how the world moves, and talk to people.
I think I'd do that for maybe the first day of my turn (we agreed that turns would last 1 week, right? Or am I mistaken?) and then get to work on the world's first fort.
Post by: DVNO on December 13, 2013, 08:45:25 pm
That made my day. It really did.
If you're looking for more stuff of mine to narrate, here's TormentHug (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=127626.0).
Chapter 2 coming soon!*
*chapter 2 may never come
Post by: Mesa on December 14, 2013, 06:06:34 am
Though who knows, I need to sharpen up my pronunciation a bit, so something may or may not be coming.
Post by: TD1 on December 14, 2013, 07:25:46 pm
Post by: Mesa on December 18, 2013, 04:51:23 am
I too wanted DF2013 to still be a thing, but let's face the truth, it's just borderline impossible, especially with Christmas right around the corner (and it will Toady a day or two off).
If we have to start calling it DF2015 then we'd have a problem.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 18, 2013, 04:53:37 am
And even if it went on into 2015, then I'm sure the wait would be worth it.
Post by: Mesa on December 18, 2013, 05:04:15 am
Christmas or early next year, for sure.
And even if it went on into 2015, then I'm sure the wait would be worth it.
Pretty sure Duke Nukem fans said that about Forever.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 18, 2013, 05:13:44 am
Post by: Mesa on December 18, 2013, 06:01:03 am
DNF is older than me, if I read it right.
Post by: Mesa on December 29, 2013, 04:37:15 pm
This really is the longest DF devcycle yet. And it'll only get longer, I'm thinking, what with there being more and more stuff needing to be worked on and all...
Post by: Remuthra on December 29, 2013, 04:39:09 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on December 29, 2013, 09:24:23 pm
Also, I highly doubt it's possible to write an algorithm to predict the length of development cycles to any degree of accuracy.
Post by: Ruhn on December 29, 2013, 09:47:15 pm
Post by: Elephant Parade on December 30, 2013, 12:18:10 am
If it turned out that Toady actually secretly completed the release already, and is planning to release it on New Year's Eve.
The only thing that supports this theory even slightly is him being nearly done, though.
FAKE EDIT: Actually, the recent lack of development logs could also be him putting all of his time into working on the game. The Future of the Fortress reply probably took up a lot of time, though.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on December 30, 2013, 05:59:26 am
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Re: DF2014: it's pretty much confirmed by now. (Succession world)Woah duuuude, don't rush it. We still have two days left maaaaan.
Oh and I'll have to update the list sometime.
Post by: Mesa on December 30, 2013, 08:41:09 am
Then again, we thought pretty much the same in March earlier this year, so what do I know.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 30, 2013, 10:03:00 am
PS:
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Post by: mastahcheese on December 30, 2013, 11:41:28 am
And it's not like we could stop you, although if an artifact is created, then someone will likely get curious when they look in Legends, look it up to see where it was made, when it was made, and try to deduce where it went.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 30, 2013, 11:59:11 am
Post by: mastahcheese on December 30, 2013, 12:18:13 pm
The reason I'm asking is that one of the rules mentioned early on in the thread is "No hiding stuff".Oh, right, forgot about that.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 30, 2013, 01:04:35 pm
EDIT: Also:
Does putting lignite in a (magma-safe) bin and then temporarily submerging it in magma still equal eternal fire?
Post by: mastahcheese on December 30, 2013, 01:20:22 pm
I think it still does. I don't think he's fixing that bit.Does putting lignite in a (magma-safe) bin and then temporarily submerging it in magma still equal eternal fire?
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 30, 2013, 01:24:54 pm
Does anyone have an idea how to get dwarves to push a lever once a fort is abandoned? Maybe setting it to be pulled right before abandoning it (and if a delay is wanted, adding a floodgate (that is opened by another lever) in the path to the first lever)?
Post by: mastahcheese on December 30, 2013, 01:28:28 pm
Post by: Broken on December 30, 2013, 01:29:24 pm
Anything else is heresy.
Post by: mastahcheese on December 30, 2013, 01:31:07 pm
Who is the derrotist that changed the thread title? DF will come in 2013. Even if its one second away from midnight.I did, and I sincerely hope that I'm wrong, because I want to play it.
Anything else is heresy.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 30, 2013, 01:33:45 pm
Post by: Mesa on December 30, 2013, 01:38:15 pm
Also,
The reason I'm asking is that one of the rules mentioned early on in the thread is "No hiding stuff".Oh, right, forgot about that.
This rule is BS, removepls. I want to be able to store all the stolen artifacts in a cave that only I know the location of.
I have the right to be a sonofab!tch kobold Armokdamnit.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 30, 2013, 06:32:50 pm
Post by: Timeless Bob on December 30, 2013, 06:44:39 pm
Post by: Mesa on December 30, 2013, 06:48:22 pm
I can see a dragon traveling around collecting artifacts too.
Pfft. Dragons.
Pesky fat flying lizards with a chronic heartburn.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on December 31, 2013, 04:35:20 am
There shall be Koboldicus, the kobold slayer of kobolds.There shall be Koboldslayerofkobolds-icus, the koboldslayer slayer of screw-your-stuff.
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on December 31, 2013, 04:36:07 am
I can see a dragon traveling around collecting artifacts too.Oh and a guy who pretends to be a dragon.
Post by: MDFification on December 31, 2013, 12:51:45 pm
Think of the possibilites. One person builds a traditional fort, then retires. Someone comes along and builds a fort purely in the caverns, then retires. Someone comes along and builds a surface fort, then retires. You've got three forts in one embark, all of them independent of one another and only one playable at a time. It'd be like embarking on someone else's site right now.
Except with caravan interaction, raiding parties and so on, it'll probably be thoroughly bugged. Maybe someone should experiment with it first outside the succession game.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 31, 2013, 01:32:43 pm
Post by: wer6 on December 31, 2013, 03:50:07 pm
Post by: DVNO on December 31, 2013, 06:04:12 pm
Don't you know? There's no money in Troll King Slaying! Money you'll ever bring back alive, at least.
Nah, The money is in /connectivity/. Tans-port-a-tation. I'm talk'in Railroads!
I'mma set up small 1x16 embarks, that interlock, and build minecart tracks to all the great destinations when they pop up! That's where I, Lord ShapphireRidge the I, will make my fortune!
Now if only I can find a way to make sure those pesky goblin banditos don't steal my tracks ...
Post by: Ruhn on December 31, 2013, 07:17:39 pm
Ha! You stupid /Heroes/.
Don't you know? There's no money in Troll King Slaying! Money you'll ever bring back alive, at least.
Nah, The money is in /connectivity/. Tans-port-a-tation. I'm talk'in Railroads!
I'mma set up small 1x16 embarks, that interlock, and build minecart tracks to all the great destinations when they pop up! That's where I, Lord ShapphireRidge the I, will make my fortune!
Now if only I can find a way to make sure those pesky goblin banditos don't steal my tracks ...
This is an AWESOME idea! The occasional train station mini-forts could offer snacks and sell tickets to get on the train (coin activated pressure plates?)
Post by: Mesa on December 31, 2013, 07:19:00 pm
Post by: DVNO on December 31, 2013, 07:30:41 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 31, 2013, 07:49:40 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on December 31, 2013, 07:59:36 pm
That's a truly insane idea, in my opinion. Especially since armies in adventure mode wont be able to path across these great walls of fortresses covering the landscape: Toady explained that they will path around player forts, but when you've got a string of forts hundreds of kilometers long their road trips are going to become quite monumental. And if you misallign the tracks, someone's going to end up with multiple compound fractures. Or a sword where their arm used to be. :P
Post by: Xantalos on December 31, 2013, 08:01:19 pm
Post by: Remuthra on December 31, 2013, 08:02:02 pm
Anybody wanna bet that Toady releases DF2013 at 11:59:59 Seattle Time?Sure, and I also bet that he is a timelord.
Post by: Elephant Parade on December 31, 2013, 08:05:39 pm
Anybody wanna bet that Toady releases DF2013 at 11:59:59 Seattle Time?
You know what would be funny?
If it turned out that Toady actually secretly completed the release already, and is planning to release it on New Year's Eve.
The only thing that supports this theory even slightly is him being nearly done, though.
FAKE EDIT: Actually, the recent lack of development logs could also be him putting all of his time into working on the game. The Future of the Fortress reply probably took up a lot of time, though.
Post by: MDFification on December 31, 2013, 08:06:45 pm
Now, the real question; do you build it underground (like a dwarf) or above ground on a raised platform cast out of obsidian, with tunnels underneath so you don't mess up caravan routes?
Also, this way we can connect the various forts, which is awesome. I initially thought we should build all of our forts right next to eachother, so we'd build us a metafort (a fort composed of multiple forts?). This would let us ride in adventure mode from one fort to another! Can't imagine that we can send supplies to eachother in real time, though, unless we make massive resupply runs in adventure mode.
How you gonna power the rails, though? It can't be windmills or surface waterwheels, because they can be taken out by titans/dragons. So it has to be underground waterwheels. Intriguing.
Post by: Eric Blank on December 31, 2013, 08:24:55 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on December 31, 2013, 08:34:53 pm
Post by: DVNO on December 31, 2013, 08:40:37 pm
The are little gas stations, probably tended by 7-10 Dwarves at each stop maximum. I don't think they would be a match for these massive armies.
Post by: WillowLuman on December 31, 2013, 08:41:38 pm
Post by: Ruhn on January 01, 2014, 08:52:16 am
You'd power the minecarts by pushing them, preferably. No mechanisms involved, just muscle power. You can probably do that indefinitely. However, having tunnels/bridges across the tracks or not even touching the surface at all wont help caravans get through: the AI are almost certainly just going to look at the boundaries of the fortress you claim by embarking and refuse to go anywhere inside that boundary. It would take too much resources to have the AI actually try to path through the embark.Well, even if caravans and armies are out of luck it would be nice if an adventurer could cross the tracks easily without having to find a train station.
Powered mine carts could be FUN, if NPC dwarves are able to ride them. Then crossing the tracks will be less safe, and even riding could end in a train wreck.
Instead of a train system, a subway could be built instead too. Or both.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 01, 2014, 11:02:44 am
Post by: MDFification on January 01, 2014, 12:00:04 pm
Also, opening paths are only possible in an active fort. When the site isn't loaded, the armies likely treat it as one big, solid obstacle.
If Armies attack non-player forts during play, then they'll almost certainly destroy/seize segments of the railroad unless it's strongly defended. Caravans will likely pass through it.
If the railroad idea were to happen, you'd need to leave single-embark tile gaps between railway segments so armies could path through, then mod adventure mode so you can make tracks with adventurer reactions and close the gaps. That way armies could still path through. However, we've said we don't want this game modded, right?
I get the feeling the succession world might end up being many succession worlds.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 01, 2014, 01:35:09 pm
I don't see any reason to have the entire thing automated, if it will be a hassle.
Post by: TD1 on January 01, 2014, 02:14:54 pm
Who is the derrotist that changed the thread title? DF will come in 2013. Even if its one second away from midnight.
Anything else is heresy.
Heresy, eh? Well, that's what it is then. Welcome to the Heretical Union of DF2014, brother!
Post by: Mesa on January 01, 2014, 02:50:44 pm
And so here we are, in 2014, with no new DF release at hand.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 01, 2014, 03:00:25 pm
Post by: wer6 on January 01, 2014, 03:54:52 pm
Post by: Ruhn on January 01, 2014, 09:01:19 pm
Post by: DVNO on January 01, 2014, 09:14:33 pm
Things are finally getti'n interestin'! (http://youtu.be/p5fbVyQn8W8?t=49s)
Post by: Timeless Bob on January 02, 2014, 02:20:30 am
Post by: DVNO on January 02, 2014, 03:43:05 am
Post by: WillowLuman on January 02, 2014, 03:49:11 am
Post by: Yuli Vlasi on January 02, 2014, 07:17:49 am
Why not set up impulse ramps at each edge of the embarks, which would accelerate the minecarts to jumping the track, coming to rest on the next set of tracks , the next embark over? Each embark square is 48 fortress squares wide. So long as you can make a jump arc reaching its highest point 25 fortress squares horizontal to the initial jump ramp, an an adventurer riding a minecart will be able to traverse the remaining 25 fortress squares and be re-captured by tracks 2 embark squares away. Wash, rinse, repeat and you'll give armies and other traveling types enough ground to journey across while also having a set of contiguous tracks cutting perpendicularly to that flow.Until I read this I thought it would be impossible to build rollercoasters out of multiple fortresses because you aren't allowed to build at the very edge of the map.
Now I have hope.
...Except in the extra areas created by building upwards won't be preserved between sites.I don't understand that. Please explain.
Post by: Ruhn on January 02, 2014, 09:17:26 am
SCIENCE would be wise before building too many of this kind of jump.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 02, 2014, 02:04:02 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 02, 2014, 03:11:21 pm
For all you'll know, you're going to be launching adventurers right into the trunk of a great oak tree at 75kph.I don't see the problem. If we set up two fortresses two sides away from the gap, we should be capable of creating a device that will flood one end of the gap with lava and the other end with water, obsidianizing the gap, not stopping armies from crossing the area.
EDIT: Here's a visual representation:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WillowLuman on January 02, 2014, 03:40:39 pm
Post by: MDFification on January 02, 2014, 03:54:23 pm
But those trees would still be as tall as ever, and even if you obsidianized them all the way to the top, there'd still only be one z-level above them, not enough to make a jump and it would be too long to coast over.
This is true. I'm fairly certain nobody's ever successfully jumped one full embark tile.
Try it out. Make a 2x1 Embark, use half the map to accelerate a cart, and see if you can make it to the edge without it touching the ground.
EDIT: The reason I'd want to see this track automated is based on purely practical reasons. If you want to move a significant quantity of material from one fort to another, you'll probably have to do it in adventure mode as otherwise the game probably won't keep track of the minecarts. It's not the entire world being kept track of in DF2014: I'm pretty sure it allows worldgen to continue after you start fortress mode, alongside army movement mechanics.
So, if you're doing it as an adventurer, you're going to have to put a lot of minecarts on the track yourself to send them where you want them to go. If every so often you have to take them off the track, push it an entire embark tile, and repeat this for the entire minecart train, it'll be incredibly frusturating to cover any distance.
And this is assuming enemies can path through a 16x16 embark region if it's only partially used in a fort. If they can't, that's 16x the distance to push each cart.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 02, 2014, 04:04:03 pm
Before:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WillowLuman on January 02, 2014, 04:11:04 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 02, 2014, 04:13:22 pm
EDIT: If you want to test this, there's always the !!SCIENCE!!-bonus world that's going to be running concurrently for you to test this in. And the magma physics won't change, so technically you could test this with DF2012.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 02, 2014, 04:20:29 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 02, 2014, 04:34:33 pm
Post by: Scoops Novel on January 02, 2014, 05:11:02 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 02, 2014, 05:28:44 pm
Don't worry about megaprojects causing storage problems; I personally hope to kill off the FPS of the game with the results of my project, so it won't really matter anyway.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 02, 2014, 05:51:18 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 02, 2014, 05:56:50 pm
Or we could forgo the FPS-nuke and just build some kind of Great Wall of Dwarfdom with the railroad on top, and many bustling fort-cities within. With other spoke railroads crossing the inside.+1
Post by: TD1 on January 02, 2014, 06:52:16 pm
+1Or we could forgo the FPS-nuke and just build some kind of Great Wall of Dwarfdom with the railroad on top, and many bustling fort-cities within. With other spoke railroads crossing the inside.+1
Post by: Eric Blank on January 02, 2014, 09:52:41 pm
Post by: wer6 on January 02, 2014, 10:10:45 pm
Noahs valley.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 03, 2014, 03:23:58 am
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 03, 2014, 07:20:09 am
Post by: WillowLuman on January 03, 2014, 03:02:44 pm
Post by: MDFification on January 03, 2014, 06:40:16 pm
That seems reasonable. Wall off a nice, secluded valley and fill it with wonders.
We could make a single mountainhome-sized region of forts. Anyone know how many embark tiles they take up? We could make a massive wall lined with forts around a region filled with farms, industry and megaprojects.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on January 03, 2014, 07:01:02 pm
Post by: Mesa on January 03, 2014, 07:23:21 pm
You're all discussing plans for grand multifort megaprojects and I'm just here like :O
Same.
I'm just a simple kobold planning to be stashing stuff around.
Probably.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 03, 2014, 08:47:49 pm
And then if I get back in, I'll just go in and rile up a bunch of Fun. Like make claims on every site I see and demand tribute from everybody's forts.
Post by: wer6 on January 04, 2014, 01:33:33 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 04, 2014, 09:44:47 pm
Post by: TD1 on January 04, 2014, 11:53:17 pm
Post by: wer6 on January 05, 2014, 09:49:28 pm
Post by: Mesa on January 10, 2014, 06:14:09 am
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 10, 2014, 11:05:27 am
Post by: wer6 on January 10, 2014, 05:01:26 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 10, 2014, 05:36:11 pm
Post by: TD1 on January 10, 2014, 05:42:37 pm
You have said too much
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 10, 2014, 06:31:44 pm
Post by: Timeless Bob on January 10, 2014, 09:04:50 pm
I'm doing this all now. Once the new version gets released, I'll be setting up similar games in that too, if not just porting the save files over. In the mean time, though, why not come enjoy some pre-planning?
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 11, 2014, 07:13:54 am
I'm already setting up the "Minecart Tycoon" railroad game and am currently running a game where people embark on 1x1 embark fortresses to create a single city block in the mountainhome of the island where Twoflower the tourist lives.Remember, no modding in this succession world, so if you've modded in omnicidal suitcases, you can't transfer the save.
Post by: Timeless Bob on January 11, 2014, 10:06:03 pm
There's this "pairwood chest" creature I've been meaning to mod in, I just haven't really done it yet. Well, first I'll have to figure out how to put in "sapient" pear wood, which drops "dragon fruits". Of course, "dragon-fruits" from the sapient pairwood variety actually hatch a pair of dragons. Since sapient pairwood trees are the "mothers" of all dragons, you can imagine how difficult it is to harvest enough to make even one "pairwood chest". The chest, of course, will be as tough and vicious as the dragons it used to spawn, but bonded to one person only - in this case a certain berzerker geomancer Chosen One named Twoflower. (He learned it all from gnomes, except for what he learned from a giant serene mayfly...)
Eh... The stories this game can help produce...
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 12, 2014, 09:06:59 am
Hint: Yes, it can do so easily.
Post by: Mesa on January 18, 2014, 08:02:15 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on January 18, 2014, 04:50:14 pm
Still hoping for the testing cycle to start this month...
.Ibid
Post by: wer6 on January 18, 2014, 06:55:14 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 18, 2014, 09:13:21 pm
In before....DF2015...Oh, it's not that bad.
Post by: Mesa on January 20, 2014, 04:26:54 pm
That's just impossible to not happen with all the new sites, retirements, active worlds and the combat system.
The real question is, what should we do at the start?
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 20, 2014, 04:35:29 pm
Post by: Mesa on January 20, 2014, 04:37:55 pm
So maybe that?
Post by: mastahcheese on January 20, 2014, 05:26:57 pm
I remember hearing something about plans of a "World Forge" built within a volcano. (basically a giant metalworking/smithing/crafting workshop)Yeah, that was my idea, but I'll probably want to use up my turn mostly for initial world exploration and cartography, so someone after me will likely get to it.
So maybe that?
But I'll do something worthwhile for my turn.
Post by: TD1 on January 20, 2014, 05:38:23 pm
I remember hearing something about plans of a "World Forge" built within a volcano. (basically a giant metalworking/smithing/crafting workshop)Yeah, that was my idea, but I'll probably want to use up my turn mostly for initial world exploration and cartography, so someone after me will likely get to it.
So maybe that?
But I'll do something worthwhile for my turn.
You saying a volcanic world forge isn't worthwhile? And scribbling down notes is? Sir, I name you to be an elf.
Post by: Baffler on January 20, 2014, 05:40:43 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 20, 2014, 06:05:30 pm
You guys should start it really early in history, so that the only sites in the game are player-made. Bonus points for killing everyone in the dwarven AI settlements once the first playermade fortresses are up and running.I was planning on year 2 to be the starting point.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 20, 2014, 11:43:54 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 21, 2014, 01:16:30 am
Year 1: 0 votes
Year 2: 0 votes
Year 5: 0 votes
Year 10: 0 votes
Year 15: 0 votes
Or longer: 0 votes
I think we should start at either year 1 or at year 15.
Post by: Bralbaard on January 21, 2014, 01:29:19 am
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 21, 2014, 01:52:54 am
If not, then I'm still all for starting this early. Necromancers and mummies don't seem to fit with the almost LotR look our plans will give this world. Speaking of which, anyone up for building DF Eye of Sauron to house our Big Bad?
Post by: WillowLuman on January 21, 2014, 01:58:56 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 21, 2014, 02:13:04 am
They won't build new towers, but at least we can repopulate them, now.
And yes, they will build sites like new towns. But not roads. But that's fine.
Post by: WillowLuman on January 21, 2014, 02:28:32 am
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 21, 2014, 03:28:49 am
Also, I will be most amused if someone decides to get every dwarf to become necromancers. Assigning a necromancer as butcher would be hilarious.
Post by: mastahcheese on January 21, 2014, 06:18:43 pm
We only really need one for new necromancers to spawn, so that sounds fine.I figured this was a given.
Also, I will be most amused if someone decides to get every dwarf to become necromancers. Assigning a necromancer as butcher would be hilarious.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 22, 2014, 09:16:39 am
Post by: TD1 on January 22, 2014, 09:29:56 am
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 22, 2014, 09:58:45 am
Post by: WillowLuman on January 23, 2014, 12:21:02 pm
I'd say the latter. The former isn't something you would think about without someone else mentioning it, though it is funny, but the latter is something that would occur to your normal thought process. (Unlike Necromancer Butchers)
I would very much like to know what your "normal" thought process include.Someone should sig this.
Post by: Mesa on January 23, 2014, 01:06:16 pm
I'd say the latter. The former isn't something you would think about without someone else mentioning it, though it is funny, but the latter is something that would occur to your normal thought process. (Unlike Necromancer Butchers)I would very much like to know what your "normal" thought process include.Someone should sig this.
I'm sigging the later.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 23, 2014, 01:12:12 pm
I think. I may have gotten sigged earlier, although that was probably a joke.
Post by: Mesa on January 23, 2014, 01:14:56 pm
Still, every time someone sigs you, it's a little victory of yours. It's like a community showcase.
We should hold a contest that determines who had the best sigged quote. :D
Post by: TD1 on January 23, 2014, 02:26:03 pm
Post by: MDFification on January 23, 2014, 04:49:14 pm
---
But for serious, any word from Toady about possible release dates yet? (spoilers: probably not)
Post by: Mesa on January 23, 2014, 05:25:12 pm
Quote from: Toady One
I've still been sorting through the details of how the abstraction level switches are going to work for AI site claims (which I was starting before the holidays intervened), but I think I have a plan through it all now. We finished about half of the notes in December, so theoretically we can complete them this time around, though nuggets like this current barrier are the sort of things that mess up my estimates consistently. Tonight I'll be watching people yell at each other and then rudely interrupt them by moving the camera, and then go back again, and so on, until they end their situation properly regardless of how I mess with the zooming or camera location.
Though this wouldn't say a lot given that there would still be the testing period to wait through, but that one takes two weeks on average (according to people like Putnam) to finish.
Then again, we would still have to wait a long time for the bugfixes.
But I don't give a damn about bugs as long as the game is remotely playable.
Post by: Eric Blank on January 23, 2014, 05:52:14 pm
Nor has there been any word over the last five days of progress, which has me somewhat disappointed. I must know to survive!
Additionally, I have yet to find a signature containing a quote from Girlinhat by clicking links to posts in users' signatures on pages linked to from other users' signitures. I have, however ran into a quote dead-end, wherein the only user on the page linked to who had a linked quote was the user whose linked quote I clicked on. Amusingly, this page was one on which Girlinhat had posted, within view of the linked quote. Her post was not especially amusing.
Link in question: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=123138.msg4349177#msg4349177
Another dead end page actually ended without either another signature to click on or a quote from Girlinhat. I am forced to conclude that, indeed, not all quotes lead to Girlinhat. Unfortunately I just closed that tab of my browser, and this school's network settings don't save any history, even temporarily, so now I have no idea what page I was looking at.
Post by: TD1 on January 23, 2014, 06:06:06 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on January 23, 2014, 07:57:01 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 24, 2014, 06:33:31 am
Post by: TD1 on January 24, 2014, 09:55:14 am
Post by: WillowLuman on January 24, 2014, 05:08:46 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on January 24, 2014, 08:56:58 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 25, 2014, 07:49:49 am
Post by: Mesa on January 25, 2014, 07:58:31 am
I'm all for the Great Golden Wyrm and The Master of Cheese. *shrug*
Post by: apiks on January 25, 2014, 08:11:31 am
We should mod some of the more famous Bay12ers as megabeasts.
I'm all for the Great Golden Wyrm and The Master of Cheese. *shrug*
Hip, hip, hurrah! Hip, hip, hurrah!
I demand that a reindeer is stationed with the master.
Post by: TD1 on January 25, 2014, 09:33:31 am
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on January 25, 2014, 10:47:57 am
Post by: mastahcheese on January 25, 2014, 08:04:49 pm
We should mod some of the more famous Bay12ers as megabeasts.Maybe for the secondary world where we just mess around.
I'm all for the Great Golden Wyrm and The Master of Cheese. *shrug*
Post by: Timeless Bob on February 06, 2014, 10:25:28 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on February 06, 2014, 11:44:11 pm
Post by: TD1 on February 07, 2014, 12:35:10 pm
If such a thing is possible; I am no modder :P
And at least one of the Forumites has to be Highmax.
Post by: apiks on February 07, 2014, 12:53:16 pm
Maybe an entire race of semi-randomly generated beings called Xantalosians?
If such a thing is possible; I am no modder :P
And at least one of the Forumites has to be Highmax.
I believe you can definitely create such a race. Or so I believe.
And don't forget yourself among the ranks of the forumites. I also think you can make forumites forgotten beasts so we might as well make a forgotten beast called Xantalos.
Post by: WillowLuman on February 07, 2014, 01:39:19 pm
Post by: apiks on February 07, 2014, 01:44:34 pm
Semi-random generation defined by raws is not in yet, and will not be in the next version. Night trolls, demons, titans, forgotten beasts, bogeymen, etc. rely on hard-coded stuff, not raws.
Well, Bollocks. We'll improvise.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on February 07, 2014, 04:19:08 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on February 07, 2014, 08:41:00 pm
DFFS does NOT have any randomly generated creatures at all. We had to disable them in world generation to get it to work in the first place, since we reduced all the RCP BP's down to their filenames alone. They're literally saved in "shutupdf.txt", existing in the mod's raws only to prevent error messages.
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on February 08, 2014, 06:21:25 am
Post by: WillowLuman on February 08, 2014, 02:38:51 pm
Post by: bsnott on February 17, 2014, 09:22:17 pm
Post by: TD1 on February 17, 2014, 09:27:36 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on February 19, 2014, 12:00:25 pm
Post by: TD1 on February 19, 2014, 01:59:07 pm
He's still going over the notes, and part of the notes is obviously getting the new conversation system, reputation, and personality stuff to make sense. He did those rewrites a while back, he just wants to get them into acceptable shape. You wouldn't go to a job interview naked and unbathed, would you?You don't?! I gotta rethink my life :P
Post by: mastahcheese on February 19, 2014, 06:08:06 pm
This explains so much.He's still going over the notes, and part of the notes is obviously getting the new conversation system, reputation, and personality stuff to make sense. He did those rewrites a while back, he just wants to get them into acceptable shape. You wouldn't go to a job interview naked and unbathed, would you?You don't?! I gotta rethink my life :P
Also, when I make the game, I'm certain that the first thing I do will be to try out some of these new systems and record it.
Post by: Scotsmen on March 20, 2014, 10:25:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm not expecting any of this to go in, it's just the way I like my DF. Either way, modded or not, I want to have a turn at some point.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 20, 2014, 10:36:01 pm
Post by: Scotsmen on March 20, 2014, 11:26:27 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 21, 2014, 05:12:05 am
Post by: Timeless Bob on March 21, 2014, 05:31:44 am
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 21, 2014, 07:59:08 am
Post by: Scotsmen on March 21, 2014, 09:36:32 am
Seeing as its been so long, we should check to see who's still in and refresh the turn list.Do you mean that everyone who's in should say they are again? Because if so, I'm in.
Post by: TD1 on March 21, 2014, 12:18:33 pm
Post by: Scotsmen on March 21, 2014, 12:58:18 pm
Post by: TD1 on March 21, 2014, 01:08:34 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on March 21, 2014, 01:08:57 pm
Yes. When this finally comes out, we don't want to have a big mess of trying to determine turns when people who signed up ages ago have disappeared or are no longer up for it.Seeing as its been so long, we should check to see who's still in and refresh the turn list.Do you mean that everyone who's in should say they are again? Because if so, I'm in.
Post by: Scotsmen on March 21, 2014, 01:24:22 pm
Yes, and your point is? All I said was that it's funny...?I wasn't criticizing you. :/
Post by: StLeibowitz on March 21, 2014, 01:30:07 pm
Post by: TD1 on March 21, 2014, 01:32:12 pm
Yes, and your point is? All I said was that it's funny...?I wasn't criticizing you. :/
Eh. Sorry, then :-[
It's very hard to convey tone with text; I occasionally get it wrong.
Post by: Scotsmen on March 21, 2014, 05:02:52 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2014, 07:03:58 pm
Also, I'm still in this, just so you guys know.
Post by: Mesa on March 21, 2014, 07:06:18 pm
Still waiting.
Still watching...
Post by: Scotsmen on March 21, 2014, 07:44:27 pm
Also, I'm still in this, just so you guys know.You are, after all, the one ho started this thread.... The question is, why wouldn't you be in it?
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2014, 07:46:36 pm
why wouldn't you be in it?Mastahcheese, OP cancels make game: Went insane
Mastahcheese, OP has gone stark raving mad!
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 21, 2014, 09:10:01 pm
Let's avoid this if at all possible.why wouldn't you be in it?Mastahcheese, OP cancels make game: Went insane
Mastahcheese, OP has gone stark raving mad!
I'm still in, too! Even if it ends up as DF2015...
Post by: Glloyd on March 21, 2014, 09:25:07 pm
Post by: Scotsmen on March 21, 2014, 09:35:05 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 21, 2014, 09:36:46 pm
Personally, I'd see myself as more likely to berserk or go into a depression. Stark mad just doesn't seem as likely to me.
Post by: DVNO on March 22, 2014, 03:00:17 pm
Post by: Dwarf4Explosives on March 23, 2014, 10:05:41 am
If you want to know what it is, I'll send you a PM.
Anyway, I think it will be released within the next month or two.
Post by: Scotsmen on March 23, 2014, 02:05:42 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 23, 2014, 08:04:46 pm
Post by: Ruhn on March 25, 2014, 11:52:30 am
Post by: Mesa on March 25, 2014, 04:14:49 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on March 25, 2014, 05:08:24 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on March 25, 2014, 08:01:57 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 25, 2014, 10:48:34 pm
And you can actually talk to some creatures and they won't just pummel your face!But... the pummelling of faces is adventure mode!
Post by: Lolfail0009 on March 25, 2014, 10:51:08 pm
And you can actually talk to some creatures and they won't just pummel your face!But... the pummelling of faces is adventure mode!
No, the pummeling of a dragon's skull with its own eggs is adventurer mode!
Post by: mastahcheese on March 25, 2014, 11:42:54 pm
Clearly the essence of adventurer mode will soon be to make cities kneel before you.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 26, 2014, 01:32:22 am
Gentleman, please!Oh yeah. The whole site claim thing is going to be unbelievably awesome.
Clearly the essence of adventurer mode will soon be to make cities kneel before you.
Post by: apiks on March 26, 2014, 06:01:44 am
Post by: Scotsmen on March 26, 2014, 10:14:24 am
Post by: Eric Blank on March 26, 2014, 06:38:43 pm
Post by: Spish on March 26, 2014, 10:33:44 pm
Post by: Mesa on March 27, 2014, 02:26:42 pm
And I'm really starting to get a bit anxious about it, but I guess it's a good way to test one's own patience.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 27, 2014, 09:33:27 pm
The other DFSWs were disappointing, what with the overambitious nature, the gigantic outdated turnlists, and all the gamebreaking bugs. I don't know about you guys, but I think I'll remain cautiously optimistic.Being Dwarf Fortress, it HAS to collapse into a steaming pile of bugs and save corruption at some point. For me, what really makes a this succession world exciting is that the world won't be static any more.
As long as it's being run by an active forumite who keeps everything running (real-life time limit on turns and the like) and keeps the OP up-to-date, I don't think a really long turn list will be a problem.
Post by: mastahcheese on March 27, 2014, 10:51:38 pm
Ideally it would run similar to Drunk Fortress, where as it nears the end of one person's turn, we shout out for people who have the time to run it, so we'll have selected a good candidate by the time of the passing.
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 28, 2014, 12:13:54 am
Post by: mastahcheese on March 28, 2014, 12:17:00 am
At that point, people who will be available for the next turn say so, and then when the turn is actually done and ready to be transferred to the next person, whoever is the highest on the turn list of those who called out for it gets their hand at it.
And we'll probably send a PM to whoever is on the very top of the list, to let them know as a formality.
Post by: apiks on March 28, 2014, 02:49:05 am
Well, yeah, the idea was to keep a turn list, and then when someone is getting ready to finish their turn, they announce that they're almost done.
At that point, people who will be available for the next turn say so, and then when the turn is actually done and ready to be transferred to the next person, whoever is the highest on the turn list of those who called out for it gets their hand at it.
And we'll probably send a PM to whoever is on the very top of the list, to let them know as a formality.
At that point, I believe that we should make a new thread, to make it easier to manage, and put a link about it in this thread (both in the OP and latest post).
Post by: Orange Wizard on March 28, 2014, 06:24:07 am
At that point, I believe that we should make a new thread, to make it easier to manage, and put a link about it in this thread (both in the OP and latest post).+1
Post by: Mesa on April 19, 2014, 01:41:20 pm
I feel like the release is dangerously close now, and I've had 3 dreams about it now - nothing ever had this much influence on me in recent memory.
First thing to do - go through the Legends, find an interesting site and then investigate as an adventurer, probably in a sneaky way.
Can't wait to visit those 17x17 sites.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on April 19, 2014, 09:46:22 pm
I've had so many I've just kept sleeping for the sole purpose of playing DF2014. I've had three forts and an adventurer go to all three of them (getting murdered by the dragon that took over the third one)
Post by: mastahcheese on April 19, 2014, 09:50:11 pm
Post by: Mesa on April 20, 2014, 07:33:08 am
Also, I love going through the early pages of this thread. Instantly gets me pumped for the release again.
Back when we still had hopes for DF2013 and DF2014 was considered a joke.
Good times...
Post by: Mesa on April 25, 2014, 12:36:48 am
Freakin' finally...The bugfixing phase.
(I do remember someone saying that there'll probably be a new thread for this, but still, until that happens this one exists.)
Post by: Elephant Parade on April 25, 2014, 12:41:36 am
Post by: Mesa on April 25, 2014, 12:42:30 am
Mastahcheese, the OP still refers to DF2014 as DF2013. That should probably be fixed.
People actually read the OP these days?
MADNESS!
Post by: mastahcheese on April 25, 2014, 12:53:20 am
Post by: Eric Blank on April 25, 2014, 01:32:04 pm
Mastahcheese, the OP still refers to DF2014 as DF2013. That should probably be fixed.
People actually read the OP these days?
MADNESS!
You just said you went back to read the OP a few days ago!
Post by: Mesa on April 25, 2014, 01:47:25 pm
Mastahcheese, the OP still refers to DF2014 as DF2013. That should probably be fixed.
People actually read the OP these days?
MADNESS!
You just said you went back to read the OP a few days ago!
Because I AM mad!
Post by: Baffler on April 25, 2014, 02:58:43 pm
Post by: Mesa on April 27, 2014, 05:42:09 am
Why hasn't anyone tried to replicate the Valley of Mines, Khorinis (either as the island or just the city) or Jarkendar from the Gothic series (I refuse to accept the existance of abominations that are Gothic 3 and Arcania)?
That universe has more in common with Dwarf Fortress than most cRPGs out there - you too got necromancers who live in towers (heck, Xardas even mentioned that he built his towers with the help of his undead minions), nasty megabeasts in the form of dragons, goblins and kobolds (well, orcs and goblins, in this case, but they fulfill similar roles) etc.
As well as gods who grant powers to their followers, I guess.
And with all the new mechanics that DF2014 will bring, it could become that much more fun and !!FUN!!.
Plus it's not like the Isle of Khorinis was spectacularly big...
Spoiler: Maps galore (click to show/hide)
Of course I don't know how up to scale those maps are, but as I said, the whole thing shouldn't be much larger than a pocket DF world.
Whether that's a good idea to make this part of our main (or side) succession world is a different matter altogether, I'm just pitching the concept here.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 27, 2014, 12:40:44 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 27, 2014, 02:18:52 pm
You could probably set up a world like that for yourself in perfect world (the utility) and as long as the syntax for world gen settings doesn't change much it should work with the new version. You might have to remove or add some tags to the file afterwards but that's all I ever had to worry about to make maps for 34.01+ with the 31.x version of perfect world.
Post by: Mesa on April 27, 2014, 02:54:34 pm
But yeah, my point was that Gothic orcs and goblins are DF goblins and kobolds, not that they're megabeasts.
Now if we could also simulate Gothic's storyline in Dwarf Fortress, or see how else it would go, now that would be awesome. Although I would imagine that with more than 6 dragons the whole place would be either left in ruin by the time worldgen history is completed or the Valley of Mines would be a seriously !!FUN!! place for adventurers.
Post by: MDFification on April 29, 2014, 07:17:51 am
Gen a world without dwarves, then embark as an Outlander caravan. Your 7 dwarves will be the only dwarves in the world. (We might have to embark a few times till we get 2 or more females) Your goal: ensure the world enters the Dwarven Age.
Each player keeps track of the dwarven population. Forts that lower the overall population before they can be safely retired or fail to raise it get scummed, at least until we reached a point where we had enough dwarves that it would be worth it to lose some to inflict disproportionate casualties. Other than that, there's no rules except no modding.
The best strategy would probably be to increase our numbers via fortresses on islands inaccessible to goblins. Since our migrants can still get anywhere regardless of water (hopefully) we could raise our population there, build massive, danger-room-trained hordes and invade the coastline. That way we wouldn't loose dwarves very quickly to the AI, because as soon as we set foot on the mainland the AI will start reclaiming forts and our population will bleed out in numerous wars.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 29, 2014, 11:53:03 am
Post by: pisskop on April 29, 2014, 12:05:00 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on April 29, 2014, 09:07:58 pm
But if we went for a long world gen, then we could achieve that.
Post by: WillowLuman on April 29, 2014, 11:35:22 pm
Well, getting the dwarves extinct isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world, you just couldn't do it at any young year.
But if we went for a long world gen, then we could achieve that.
Actually, a young year would be best. A simple 5 step process:
1) Stop worldgen at a young year, when populations haven't grown much
2) Create an adventurer, wipe out the dwarves
3) Kill the adventurer, if dwarven
4) Wait a few years for the world to get more interesting
5) Re-colonize!
Post by: Eric Blank on April 30, 2014, 02:30:50 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on April 30, 2014, 04:45:58 pm
Post by: Eric Blank on April 30, 2014, 06:22:57 pm
I'm leaning on the side of the civ/site entity actually being the most recent pre-existing ones to control the site, however, just because that would probably take less effort than telling it to come up with new ones and figure out how to structure the new civ/site entity.
[Edit]
Apparently yes it can create a new entity based on one of the raw entity definitions, so your plan is entirely feasible, it seems.
Post by: Mesa on May 01, 2014, 01:25:49 pm
Something like that.
Can't wait though. I hope this is the month now. It's definitely much more likely than it ever was.
Post by: Orange Wizard on May 02, 2014, 09:26:07 pm
Post by: Mesa on May 17, 2014, 12:07:06 pm
Chances of release this month are still there,if dwindling. Worst case scenario, it'll be the best gaming summer to date.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 18, 2014, 09:11:18 am
[BUMPING INTENSIFIES]
Chances of release this month are still there,if dwindling. Worst case scenario, it'll be the best gaming summer to date.
Heh, you North-Hemispherians and your inverted seasons...
Post by: Mesa on May 18, 2014, 10:05:37 am
Heh, you North-Hemispherians and your inverted seasons...
No, you South-Hemispherians and YOUR inverted seasons...
Post by: WoobMonkey on May 18, 2014, 10:36:22 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, PTW with great interest.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 18, 2014, 10:39:28 am
Heh, you North-Hemispherians and your inverted seasons...
No, you South-Hemispherians and YOUR inverted seasons...
Your seasons are inverted our seasons, which are inverted your seasons...
INVERSION
Post by: DVNO on May 18, 2014, 09:13:11 pm
This lends itself to a lot of storytelling potential, of an adventurer with a mission that only gods can truly understand...
Something like that.
Can't wait though. I hope this is the month now. It's definitely much more likely than it ever was.
I can see some gameplay strategies coming out of this already. A player becomes a monarch of his own civilization, that player's buddies start straticically marring into noble positions in these player-made "Noble Houses" to increase the chances of keeping their adventurer alive after the player retires them and passes their turn to the next player.
Soon a couple of these pop up, there are Clan wars waged between the PC made kingdoms for resources ... As well as internal conflicts for power.... Ah, just like ye olden days...
(Game of Thrones theme starts playing))
Post by: mastahcheese on May 19, 2014, 04:44:46 pm
Post by: TD1 on May 19, 2014, 06:54:55 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on May 20, 2014, 12:44:42 am
If the new version gets released and I still don't have my home internet back, go on without me.
With pleasure >:D
Post by: SilverDragon on June 02, 2014, 09:27:46 pm
Post by: Tawa on June 02, 2014, 10:02:02 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on June 02, 2014, 11:45:38 pm
Post by: WillowLuman on June 02, 2014, 11:52:36 pm
Post by: apiks on June 02, 2014, 11:58:53 pm
Edit: I'm in!
Post by: Scotsmen on June 03, 2014, 12:00:40 am
Post by: TD1 on June 03, 2014, 09:41:34 am
Also, in order to speed up the update process we must all sacrifice our current forts in gruesome, gratuitous ways and let the flames of their death be the canal through which the new forts will be born.
Post by: MDFification on June 03, 2014, 06:53:56 pm
Just a thought.
Post by: pisskop on June 03, 2014, 07:01:18 pm
Post by: Timeless Bob on June 03, 2014, 07:24:04 pm
(Derp, wrong discussion)
Post by: SilverDragon on June 03, 2014, 09:02:09 pm
Post by: WoobMonkey on June 03, 2014, 09:40:33 pm
Post by: HooliganintheFort on June 03, 2014, 10:01:03 pm
Edit: Well as a dwarf . :P
Post by: Mesa on June 04, 2014, 05:42:47 am
Post by: DVNO on June 04, 2014, 11:23:04 am
We always gave such a long time before, because the turns that ended were final. I mean there was no picking up a retired fort after a turn, barring reclaiming which scattered everything. And we couldn't un-retire our adventurers after a certain number because of a bug. Basically these things needed to be given a whole week because when someone got the save whatever they started needed to be finished that turn.
But that shouldn't be the case anymore, right? You should be able to start a fort, retire it, hand off the save, get it back and un-retire it to work on it some more. (barring something unfortunate happening to the fort between turns, but hey, losing is !!FUN!!!) Same thing with an adventurer now.
So, wouldn't it make sense with the volume of players for this to have shorter save deadlines and turn around times? Like, instead of a week, how about we get 2 days with it? That's three and a half happy players a week than normal. :)
Post by: Ruhn on June 04, 2014, 12:34:32 pm
Post by: Spish on June 04, 2014, 02:47:44 pm
I do think that a first-come first-serve style would be well-suited to allowing participants to pause their fortresses and come back to finish them within a few turns; as opposed to having the paused fortress rot forever in development hell, as the owner waits for the turnlist to slowly cycle through every other player.
Post by: SilverDragon on June 04, 2014, 06:21:09 pm
Post by: hairypotatoes on June 05, 2014, 09:57:53 am
Post by: mastahcheese on June 05, 2014, 04:28:13 pm
As for in-ness, if I can get internet back by then, then I'll be here to kick this off, but if not, then you guys know what to do.
Post by: Glloyd on June 08, 2014, 03:22:50 pm
Post by: Inarius on June 09, 2014, 05:10:29 am
Post by: Insanity X on June 16, 2014, 03:37:34 pm
if i'm working out of town though i'll be sure to let you guys know
Post by: NAV on June 16, 2014, 03:51:17 pm
Post by: Broken on June 17, 2014, 02:30:57 pm
:P
Post by: Mesa on June 23, 2014, 03:25:23 pm
Also bump.
Can you hear that music?
It's the sound of your free time during the summer running away from DF2014!
Post by: Elephant Parade on June 26, 2014, 12:16:30 pm
Post by: Mesa on July 01, 2014, 03:41:41 pm
NEXT WEEK!
...Of course I doubt we're actually going to start this the very moment DF2014 drops, but it's definitely worth to bring this topic up now that we know the release is so close it would be out today if not for random crashes.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on July 01, 2014, 11:29:46 pm
Is it, like, Christmas?
Post by: Mesa on July 02, 2014, 03:13:28 am
So we have DF2014 next week... My country will get an international premiere of Lazer Team...
Is it, like, Christmas?
Summer Christmas, pretty much.
Post by: Lolfail0009 on July 02, 2014, 08:54:57 am
So we have DF2014 next week... My country will get an international premiere of Lazer Team...
Is it, like, Christmas?
Summer Christmas, pretty much.
I'm Australian. Every Christmas is summer :3 ((And always. FUCKING. POURING WITH RAIN.))
Post by: Volfgarix on July 07, 2014, 09:04:10 am
Post by: pisskop on July 07, 2014, 11:52:56 am
Do you know what I did last Christmas? Made a snow angel :P Then snowmen for everyone.So we have DF2014 next week... My country will get an international premiere of Lazer Team...
Is it, like, Christmas?
Summer Christmas, pretty much.
I'm Australian. Every Christmas is summer :3 ((And always. FUCKING. POURING WITH RAIN.))
Post by: wer6 on July 07, 2014, 01:27:38 pm
;D
Also, im still in.
Post by: Glloyd on July 07, 2014, 08:13:57 pm
Post by: Mesa on July 07, 2014, 08:24:47 pm
YEEEEEES!
It's time to activate the world now.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 07, 2014, 08:25:00 pm
Post by: TD1 on July 07, 2014, 08:27:53 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 07, 2014, 08:32:35 pm
Post by: TD1 on July 07, 2014, 08:33:44 pm
I know he said to go on without him, but it is his thread and if a new one is to be made, he should do it.
Post by: Mesa on July 07, 2014, 08:34:50 pm
The turn list hasn't been touched in almost a year. Perhaps we should make a new one. Actually, I'm for starting a new thread for the succession world. What say ye?
I think we even agreed to make a new thread once the release drops.
So, about NOW!
Post by: Glloyd on July 07, 2014, 08:35:46 pm
Post by: TD1 on July 07, 2014, 08:36:55 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 07, 2014, 08:39:58 pm
EDIT: That may have came out as rude. I apologize. I'm just hyped up about the release.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 07, 2014, 08:40:53 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on July 07, 2014, 08:51:54 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 07, 2014, 08:54:41 pm
EDIT: New list as well, the old one hasn't been touched since February 2013. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121140.msg4001392#msg4001392)
Post by: Lolfail0009 on July 07, 2014, 09:05:10 pm
Post by: Scotsmen on July 07, 2014, 09:07:42 pm
Now I just need to wait for my good PC to come back...
Yes, we need a new list. As for turn length, I think a week or so real-time would be good... maybe less than a week, considering the amount of people that will be on the list (including myself). Don't much care about worldgen parameters, though personally I think we should have the biggest size world possible.
Post by: Glloyd on July 07, 2014, 09:13:48 pm
Well if there's a new list, I want on it (please||apparently I wasn't on the other one '^^)~
Perhaps a preference could be given to those on the original list who still want in?
Yes, we need a new list. As for turn length, I think a week or so real-time would be good... maybe less than a week, considering the amount of people that will be on the list (including myself). Don't much care about worldgen parameters, though personally I think we should have the biggest size world possible.
Maybe 72 hours? Does that sound fair? Or maybe 4 days would be better. 96 hours to make your mark?
I'm in favour of a short history (50yrs or so) so we get a decent number of civs as well as megabeasts.
Post by: TD1 on July 07, 2014, 09:15:11 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 07, 2014, 09:16:28 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on July 07, 2014, 09:18:30 pm
Looks like someone else just started a succession world. Well that's frustrating. I may just go ahead and start one now myself anyways.
Ah, but that world is not OUR world~ Our world will be the biggest because we had the idea first~
Post by: Scotsmen on July 07, 2014, 09:20:57 pm
I think 72 hours sounds good for turn times. Short history, yeah. Big world, yeah.
Post by: apiks on July 08, 2014, 05:44:43 am
So far for world settings we are in favor of Big world, short history and medium number of civs and beasts, which sounds quite a stable play to me.
On the note on the turn list, that shall be sorted in two ways. The first would be to get the latest turn list manually, which is not that hard to do and the second is to redo the turn list. I personally am in favor of the former but with confirmation from each person.
The time we wait for a bugfix can directly be observed on how many bugs are fixed per hotfix. If the number of bugs fixed is large and the time between these fixes is short, then we will be able to wait less. Hell, if you want to make it even faster, you might as well go on a bug hunt and report them in the "Bug Report" Forum Category.
If anybody disagrees, has new ideas or suggestions, now is the time to speak them out.
Post by: mastahcheese on July 08, 2014, 08:27:45 am
Like apiks said, there are games for those who cannot wait. I would REALLY prefer to wait until a
That said, I will not have Internet anytime soon, and since Glloyd is about to explode, I'll let him make a new thread for the new world.
I do think that we need to pull up the old turn list, and take role call (we've kinda already been doing this)
It's almost time to strike some earth, people.
Post by: Scotsmen on July 08, 2014, 01:23:46 pm
Post by: Mesa on July 08, 2014, 02:22:12 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 08, 2014, 04:22:51 pm
ALL RIGHT PEOPLE
Like apiks said, there are games for those who cannot wait. I would REALLY prefer to wait until anon-radioactivestable version is out to start this, I think we can wait for Toady to hammer out the bugs just a little longer.
That said, I will not have Internet anytime soon, and since Glloyd is about to explode, I'll let him make a new thread for the new world.
I do think that we need to pull up the old turn list, and take role call (we've kinda already been doing this)
It's almost time to strike some earth, people.
After crashing 3 times in as many hours, my explosion levels are no longer near critical :P
However, I appreciate you letting me make up the new thread. Definitely worth waiting for some bugfixes though, especially regarding deities (and I didn't even get to fortress mode, which I assume has its own new set of bugs).
We've decided on the world gen settings, now how about the turn lengths? 4 days (96 hours) sound okay to everyone?
Lastly, here is the old turn list, untouched since February of last year:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Direct link for those who care. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121140.msg4001392#msg4001392)
Now, I know that a few of those people aren't on the forums anymore, but since we still have the old list, we might as well keep it going. What do you suggest? Want me to PM them all, and go from there?
Post by: Mesa on July 08, 2014, 04:38:35 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That list is outdated by at least 3 people since I clearly remember being signed under #42, though there were even more people than that. :P
Post by: Scotsmen on July 08, 2014, 05:19:05 pm
Post by: TD1 on July 08, 2014, 05:20:15 pm
And a lot of new people (myself included) have gotten on since then. I think we should just make a new list.+1
Also, I doubt GWG will be joining.
Post by: mastahcheese on July 08, 2014, 05:21:20 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 08, 2014, 05:27:08 pm
And a lot of new people (myself included) have gotten on since then. I think we should just make a new list.+1
Also, I doubt GWG will be joining.
As I said, there are a few people on there who aren't even on the forum anymore.
Yeah, a new list may be in order.
Alright, I'll start a new one. Mastahcheese, would you still like the honour of the first turn?
Post by: mastahcheese on July 08, 2014, 05:28:52 pm
Post by: TD1 on July 08, 2014, 05:31:57 pm
Post by: Scotsmen on July 08, 2014, 05:32:53 pm
Uh. I dunno if we're supposed to post we want a go or what, so I'll just say I want a go now.+1
Post by: Glloyd on July 08, 2014, 05:42:17 pm
Bro, I don't even have home internet still.
Fair enough. If you do get it, just let me know and I'll be sure to put you in line.
In that case, I hope noone minds if I start it off then? I'll gen the world for us, and post the map in the OP, then run my turn and let you loose upon the world.
If that's okay, the list is going to look like this so far (I'll keep a running list on a notepad file until I start the thread)
1. Glloyd
2. Th4DwArfY1
3. Scotsmen
4. Elephant Parade
5. HugoLuman
6. DarkDXZ
7. apiks
8. StLeibowitz
9. Lolfail0009
10. Ghills
11. Insanity Incarnate
12. Insanity X
13. Broken
14. Lurker Z
15. Inarius
16. Lightningfalcon
17. Volfgarix
18. Atomic Chicken
19. Jaccarmac
20. pisskop
21. NAV
22. Timeless Bob
23. The Master
24. Plancky
25. Ruhn
To others lurking the thread, feel free to post if you want a go, I'll add you to the list in the order you ask.
Post by: TD1 on July 08, 2014, 05:43:43 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 08, 2014, 05:47:36 pm
Post by: Sergarr on July 08, 2014, 05:50:25 pm
Post by: Elephant Parade on July 08, 2014, 06:00:02 pm
Post by: Scotsmen on July 08, 2014, 06:00:55 pm
Edit so as to avoid a double-post: When our turn is over, do we get put at the end of the list?
Post by: Glloyd on July 08, 2014, 06:03:48 pm
I'd like a turn, though I'll be absent from next Monday to next Wednesday, so skip me if my turn happens at that time.
Added, it probably won't though, depending on how long Toady takes to fix some of the major crashes, and optimize the calendar part.
Post by: WillowLuman on July 08, 2014, 06:05:32 pm
Post by: Mesa on July 08, 2014, 06:16:08 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 08, 2014, 06:18:48 pm
Post by: Elephant Parade on July 08, 2014, 06:22:51 pm
Oh, right. I forgot about the waiting thing.I'd like a turn, though I'll be absent from next Monday to next Wednesday, so skip me if my turn happens at that time.
Added, it probably won't though, depending on how long Toady takes to fix some of the major crashes, and optimize the calendar part.
Post by: apiks on July 08, 2014, 07:48:22 pm
Post by: StLeibowitz on July 08, 2014, 07:52:53 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 08, 2014, 08:24:07 pm
Post by: Lolfail0009 on July 08, 2014, 08:55:45 pm
Count me in!!
Post by: Ghills on July 08, 2014, 09:13:51 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on July 09, 2014, 03:46:23 am
Also, squee! This is finally happening!
Post by: Insanity X on July 09, 2014, 02:36:53 pm
Post by: Broken on July 09, 2014, 02:40:14 pm
where si the new list?
Post by: apiks on July 09, 2014, 02:46:02 pm
Sign me in.
where si the new list?
A page back.
Post by: Lurker Z on July 09, 2014, 03:05:37 pm
Post by: Inarius on July 09, 2014, 03:29:45 pm
Post by: apiks on July 09, 2014, 03:51:30 pm
Well, i'd like to be in, but i need time to test the new version ! It was just 24 hours ago !
This World Succession will be starting after the game is patched and less buggy. So you don't have to worry about that.
Post by: Lightningfalcon on July 09, 2014, 03:55:41 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 09, 2014, 04:04:49 pm
Post by: Volfgarix on July 09, 2014, 05:17:37 pm
Btw. We had list done earlier, why are you making new one?
Post by: apiks on July 09, 2014, 05:35:14 pm
I'm in.
Btw. We had list done earlier, why are you making new one?
Because it was a long time ago and some of the ones in it aren't as active as they used to be. This is basically a clean plate.
Post by: TheKaspa on July 10, 2014, 03:30:31 am
Post by: apiks on July 10, 2014, 05:26:24 am
I volunteer to be dorfed, although I won't overseer
That's fair enough, but you do realize how this works, right? I don't think dorfed dwarves will have any spotlight at all with how hectic things will be around this. Or do you want to be dorfed in every fortress?
Post by: TD1 on July 10, 2014, 09:16:19 am
I volunteer to be dorfed, although I won't overseer
:P
This is mainly an adventure succession world, not mainly Fortress related.
Edit: On thinking, it's kinda more fortress and adventure. But still, not completely fortress.
Post by: wer6 on July 10, 2014, 09:31:27 am
Post by: Atomic Chicken on July 10, 2014, 09:35:43 am
Post by: apiks on July 10, 2014, 10:19:05 am
I volunteer to be dorfed, although I won't overseer
:P
This is mainly an adventure succession world, not mainly Fortress related.
Edit: On thinking, it's kinda more fortress and adventure. But still, not completely fortress.
It's a world where you can play and do whatever you want to the world during your turn. Whether you want to found a new fortress or play as an adventurer and unearth other peoples' fortresses is up to you.
Post by: jaccarmac on July 10, 2014, 11:33:15 am
Post by: mastahcheese on July 10, 2014, 12:22:37 pm
Post by: pisskop on July 10, 2014, 01:09:02 pm
Post by: apiks on July 10, 2014, 01:13:39 pm
Can I have a slot on the list? I imagine with my luck it will be December before I get a go though :P
It will not be December, I guarantee you that much. Might be August though, since we're waiting for a stable release. Reason is that you are given a fixed amount of time (96 hours I think it was) to play your turn. After that you hand it out to the next person. If you don't, you're just skipped.
Post by: Inarius on July 10, 2014, 01:40:06 pm
Post by: NAV on July 10, 2014, 02:07:40 pm
Post by: Timeless Bob on July 10, 2014, 02:53:23 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 10, 2014, 07:45:48 pm
As for turn lengths, yup, we decided on 96 hours. I figure 24 hours is a reasonable enough time to let me know if you can or can't take your turn, possibly with another 24 hours extension to start your turn if you ask for it (opinions?). That way less people will have to skip hopefully, but we can still keep it fast, and have turnover every 5 days.
It seems that most people want to play adventurers, and let's be honest, why wouldn't you. Since I'm taking the first turn, I think I'm going to play fortress, and build a museum of sorts for people to place the artifacts from their adventures in and whatnot. What do people think of that idea?
Post by: WillowLuman on July 10, 2014, 07:48:20 pm
Post by: TD1 on July 10, 2014, 07:51:22 pm
As for the museum idea, that's fine if people want to gather important items in one place. It's a nice thing. It shouldn't be the main goal though- we don't want to copy the Museum.
Post by: apiks on July 10, 2014, 07:53:27 pm
Also, we did agree on starting a new thread when the hotfix comes, correct?
Post by: WillowLuman on July 10, 2014, 08:10:45 pm
Post by: TD1 on July 10, 2014, 08:11:25 pm
It still seems a bit unstable, let's give it another few days?Yep.
Post by: Glloyd on July 10, 2014, 08:23:24 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on July 10, 2014, 08:35:02 pm
Post by: Scotsmen on July 10, 2014, 09:05:17 pm
Post by: The Master on July 10, 2014, 09:32:28 pm
Post by: Plancky on July 11, 2014, 02:33:40 am
Post by: apiks on July 11, 2014, 05:17:08 am
Post by: The Master on July 11, 2014, 06:22:05 am
Post by: Scotsmen on July 11, 2014, 09:15:41 am
Post by: mastahcheese on July 11, 2014, 12:26:03 pm
Either make a new thread, or put a link in the OP to when the game actually starts. However, with mastahcheese gone, it would be easier to just make a new thread.This.
Post by: Orange Wizard on July 11, 2014, 03:31:52 pm
New thread +1Either make a new thread, or put a link in the OP to when the game actually starts. However, with mastahcheese gone, it would be easier to just make a new thread.This.
Post by: Glloyd on July 11, 2014, 04:39:36 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 13, 2014, 03:44:35 pm
So probably another week, then we can get this train rollin'.
Post by: mastahcheese on July 13, 2014, 04:07:47 pm
Post by: Glloyd on July 13, 2014, 04:13:44 pm
Post by: SilverDragon on July 14, 2014, 07:28:14 pm
Post by: Ruhn on July 29, 2014, 03:24:44 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Glloyd on July 29, 2014, 04:10:41 pm
Here's the list we're using now (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121140.msg5451461#msg5451461), I'll be setting up a new thread probably after the next update if people are cool with that?
Post by: mastahcheese on July 29, 2014, 04:16:34 pm
Next update sounds good.
Post by: Ruhn on July 30, 2014, 11:19:58 am
Yeah, I linked that a few pages back.I found two old links/lists you posted, but both were to a copy from page 11. Mine was last updated June 2013 and is on page 42.
Here's the list we're using now (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=121140.msg5451461#msg5451461), I'll be setting up a new thread probably after the next update if people are cool with that?
Perhaps people on that list can keep their turn order?
Post by: eharper256 on July 30, 2014, 02:03:45 pm
Post by: DVNO on August 04, 2014, 10:27:34 pm
Post by: Orange Wizard on August 05, 2014, 02:53:22 am
Post by: Mesa on August 11, 2014, 08:12:04 am
I haven't played in a few weeks, but to me it seems that the game is largely stable at this point.
Whether it's stable enough to warrant the beginning of this is up for discussion though.
(This is a badly camouflaged bump.)
Post by: TD1 on August 11, 2014, 09:09:50 am
I think that we should wait a wee while yet.
Post by: mastahcheese on August 11, 2014, 11:03:42 am
It seems that Toady crushes one bug and two more pop up.Apparently coding DF is equivalent to slaying hydras.
I think that we should wait a wee while yet.
Post by: Glloyd on August 11, 2014, 01:01:04 pm
It seems that Toady crushes one bug and two more pop up.
I think that we should wait a wee while yet.
That was my thought as well. We'll see what the next fix update brings though.
Post by: Mesa on August 12, 2014, 05:55:29 am
Coding is equivalent to slaying hydras.
FTFY. :P
Post by: Bralbaard on September 24, 2014, 12:51:03 pm
So we have been planning this for 73 pages.. Is there an indication on when this will start?
Post by: mastahcheese on September 24, 2014, 01:43:46 pm
-bump-Actually, Toady has reached the point where saves are compatible with updates, so I'd be for starting this for real, and simply moving the save of it to updated versions as the game goes along.
So we have been planning this for 73 pages.. Is there an indication on when this will start?
I think it has reached a sufficiently stable point.
I can put a poll on it, if people would like.
Post by: Glloyd on September 24, 2014, 02:23:18 pm
-bump-Actually, Toady has reached the point where saves are compatible with updates, so I'd be for starting this for real, and simply moving the save of it to updated versions as the game goes along.
So we have been planning this for 73 pages.. Is there an indication on when this will start?
I think it has reached a sufficiently stable point.
I can put a poll on it, if people would like.
Yup. I'm still up for starting the thread and the world if you're still not able to mastahcheese.
Post by: TD1 on September 24, 2014, 02:31:57 pm
Post by: mastahcheese on September 24, 2014, 02:51:17 pm
*Hopes Mastah can, if only to watch the Catsplosion in his chosen world*I could go to the library to start this, but I think it would be better if Glloyd started it.
I can always bring the cats later.
That said: I formally authorize Glloyd to begin the Succesion World
Please link to the new thread when ready, sire.
Post by: WillowLuman on September 24, 2014, 04:45:12 pm
Post by: Glloyd on September 24, 2014, 07:29:19 pm
*Hopes Mastah can, if only to watch the Catsplosion in his chosen world*I could go to the library to start this, but I think it would be better if Glloyd started it.
I can always bring the cats later.
That said: I formally authorize Glloyd to begin the Succesion World
Please link to the new thread when ready, sire.
Thanks Mastah, I'll set it up when I get out of my lecture in a couple hours.
Post by: StLeibowitz on September 24, 2014, 07:36:47 pm
Post by: Glloyd on September 24, 2014, 07:44:11 pm
Post by: Timeless Bob on September 24, 2014, 08:07:57 pm
Post by: Glloyd on September 24, 2014, 09:51:40 pm
^
The thread lives. It's late where I am, so I'm going to get to bed. When I wake up tomorrow, I'll be genning the world with the parameters that we agreed upon, and I'll begin my turn.
Post by: mastahcheese on September 25, 2014, 01:10:43 pm
I'll put the link in the OP when I have access to the computer.
Post by: Imic on January 20, 2017, 01:40:04 pm
NECRO!!!
NEEEEEEEEEEEEECROOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Elephant Parade on January 20, 2017, 06:26:09 pm
NECRO!!!but why
NECRO!!!
NEEEEEEEEEEEEECROOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the OP hasn't been online for a year and a half, for crying out loud
Post by: Imic on January 21, 2017, 05:37:48 am
Post by: Inarius on January 25, 2017, 06:02:29 am
Post by: Glloyd on January 25, 2017, 09:52:27 am