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Title: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: ollobrains on March 27, 2012, 09:22:44 pm
Seems by his tweets and some recent interviews that apart from minecraft, scrolls and the game they are publishing cobalts edge, notch from his recent tweets is about ready to realise a elite meets firefly meets rpg meets exploration spore, starbound and whatever else type of game, no annoucement yet but by his tweets he is well along with development
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: NobodyPro on March 27, 2012, 10:04:24 pm
So that was his 'secret project'. It's been under wraps for a long time then.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Nistenf on March 27, 2012, 10:10:12 pm
wtf is wrong with the first poster
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: BigD145 on March 27, 2012, 10:12:29 pm
wtf is wrong with the first poster

They have the attention span of Notch? Or they are not a native English speaker. Maybe both.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: ollobrains on March 27, 2012, 10:24:08 pm
To the trolls read the content mojong have a new space type of rpg-trading sim coming follow notch on twitter and youll see the info i expect he will annouce his new project in the next few days and yes this woudl appear to be his top secret project he has been working on some time ( nobodypro) you would be quite correct there

Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 27, 2012, 10:28:48 pm
I think thats the first time I've ever seen someone say the word "tweets" 3 times in one sentence.

That being said, I kind of have little faith in Notch's ability to make games anymore. Minecraft proved that he has a problem following through with ideas. The game is filled with things that he started, got bored of, and then dropped to add in some other new feature only to repeat the process. I sometimes wonder if he'll end up the next Peter Monoloux. I mean it could end up being a good game, but it's definatly not a "pay for before release" like minecraft was.

To the trolls read the content mojong have a new space type of rpg-trading sim coming follow notch on twitter and youll see the info i expect he will annouce his new project in the next few days and yes this woudl appear to be his top secret project he has been working on some time ( nobodypro) you would be quite correct there

I don't think you know what "troll" means. Or what "content" means.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: ollobrains on March 27, 2012, 10:34:25 pm
Troll refers to grammar nazis, notch has a team of 12 programmers and artists now working for him so they are working on minecraft updates etc.  Scrolls is coming along and this new game im guessing as notch has said it is his pet project now so hopefully its good enough

Alternatively starbound is out there its terraria spore and a few other things crossed but has potential as well
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: NobodyPro on March 27, 2012, 10:38:12 pm
Troll refers to grammar nazis,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
notch has a team of 12 programmers and artists now working for him so they are working on minecraft updates etc. 
What fenrif said has nothing to do with Jeb etc. or their capabilities. It's just that Minecraft is still missing so much despite being 'released'.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 27, 2012, 10:42:00 pm
I Notch know no work on minecraft no more from the tweets but cadre entirity 12 programmers and artists are  minecraft work from the tweets I think only Jeb from mojang and the tweets is working on minecraft now and the better than ever updates are good like on the tweets but the point is not that and notch from the tweets was working on it at a time and that time the updates were not many unlike the tweets but the tweets told of updates in high number but feature added value tweets of few this is why i say the sayings that I said but not on the tweets i sure scrolls coming along but from the tweets i think it negative game experience and bad cash value money to game purchase and also afterwards from the tweets seperate money exchange for virtuality cards game.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Lord Dullard on March 27, 2012, 10:44:47 pm
I Notch know no work on minecraft no more from the tweets but cadre entirity 12 programmers and artists are  minecraft work from the tweets I think only Jeb from mojang and the tweets is working on minecraft now and the better than ever updates are good like on the tweets but the point is not that and notch from the tweets was working on it at a time and that time the updates were not many unlike the tweets but the tweets told of updates in high number but feature added value tweets of few this is why i say the sayings that I said but not on the tweets i sure scrolls coming along but from the tweets i think it negative game experience and bad cash value money to game purchase and also afterwards from the tweets seperate money exchange for virtuality cards game.

Good try, but YOU ADDED A PERIOD AT THE END, grasshopper.

His grammar-suck-fu is too strong for you.

Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Angel Of Death on March 27, 2012, 10:45:59 pm
Stop whining about the grammar. You're only making Bay12 look bad.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Nistenf on March 27, 2012, 10:47:23 pm
I actually thought he was a bot. What didn't make sense is that he was talking about notch
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Tarran on March 27, 2012, 10:48:59 pm
Troll refers to grammar nazis,
Uh, no. Grammar nazis are completely unrelated to trolls.

Troll refers to "One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument." (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Troll)

Wikipedia also agrees with Urban Dictionary. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29)
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 27, 2012, 10:50:15 pm
I don't think Notch is as bad as people think he is. He seems pretty competent at punching out game concepts and mechanics in very short periods of time and is pretty creative with his assets. Minecraft was a titan of a beast to handle, and for a guy forming his first company at the same time million of people are buying the game, this wasn't too bad. It surely didn't sink as expected of that situation. Not to mention 90% of those buyers being shit.

I'm looking forward to whatever space game he comes up with, but not the summation of all positive experiences of the games listed like some dreamy wish-list that cannot possibly be fulfilled. Would be foolish to set your expectations to those levels and blame the guy if he doesn't perfect it.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 27, 2012, 10:52:48 pm
Troll refers to grammar nazis

frankly I read some of what you wrote and unless I honestly knew what you were talking about in advance, which I do not, it is nearly unreadable and I have to make leaps of logic just to understand.

As much of a jerk as some people may be, a little grammar may have helped you quite a bit. They probably were just joking around at first anyhow.

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Stop whining about the grammar. You're only making Bay12 look bad

It is what I call "attack and recieve topic devolution". People eventually would have stopped but the topic creator called troll which as you know is the universal symbol of flamewars.

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Anyhow I am still waiting for Notch's procedural card game that I doubt he will ever actually make. Though this topic isn't too helpful since I really got no information except that "it puts Spore to shame" except frankly... All games do that.

Heck I read Kenshi's "FAQ" and THE VAST MAJORITY is it saying how much better and different it is going to be then other games.

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I don't think Notch is as bad as people think he is. He seems pretty competent at punching out game concepts and mechanics in very short periods of time and is pretty creative with his assets

It comes more from the fact that people see Notch's update speed as very slow and the fact that even independent modders have often seemed to work faster then his actual development team.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: ollobrains on March 27, 2012, 10:57:54 pm
well minecraft is highly moddable and a lot of mods he and jeb and the new hires have incorparated into the game.  As far as teh space game goes i think when he spikes his twitter feed his close to an annoucement.

I found another space exploration game coming up star farer seems to be moving along at a half decent pace

If he wants graphics type of inspiration check out pioneer
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 27, 2012, 10:59:07 pm
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I don't think Notch is as bad as people think he is. He seems pretty competent at punching out game concepts and mechanics in very short periods of time and is pretty creative with his assets

It comes more from the fact that people see Notch's update speed as very slow and the fact that even independent modders have often seemed to work faster then his actual development team.
Oh I understand why people think this of him, it's just an incredibly silly and short-minded reason.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 27, 2012, 11:06:32 pm
Good try, but YOU ADDED A PERIOD AT THE END, grasshopper.

His grammar-suck-fu is too strong for you.

... Troll! Grammar Nazi!  >:(

Stop whining about the grammar. You're only making Bay12 look bad.

... Reverse troll! Grammar Ally(?)!  8)

It's not like people are complaining about a bad use of commas, the dude has less grasp of sentance structure than Yoda, and seems to be quite confrontational about it. Also his post had a 3/1 tweet ratio and never even posted a link to the tweets. For shame!

I don't think Notch is as bad as people think he is. He seems pretty competent at punching out game concepts and mechanics in very short periods of time and is pretty creative with his assets. Minecraft was a titan of a beast to handle, and for a guy forming his first company at the same time million of people are buying the game, this wasn't too bad. It surely didn't sink as expected of that situation. Not to mention 90% of those buyers being shit.

Notch seems good at sitting down in a weekend or few days and bashing out a game, it's when he has a long project to work on that he gets bored and unfocused. Pretty much every aspect of minecraft is unfinished, except arguably the building stuff with blocks aspect. It's full of bugs that have been there for ages, and the majority of the features he's promised over the years haven't been added at all. The fact that he has an extremely successfull company and still doesn't have basic things like customer support kinda speaks badly of his ability to handle stuff. And then you get problems like the N-word showing up multiple times in the translations because he's too cheap to pay someone to do it which is just laughable.

Plus the whole minecon fiasco.

That's why I have little faith in this everything-and-the-kitchen-sink space game. Unless he drastically changes the way he makes games it's far too lofty a goal. And I honestly can't see him doing that. It's not the gamers expectations you should be worried about, it's Notch's.

Stealth edit: Minecraft isn't designed to be highly moddable. Technically all mods for minecraft are illegal because the code is obfuscated and that's why every time it gets updated everything breaks. That there are mods at all speaks more about the minecraft community than Notch. Pointing to mods and saying "they fix it" isn't a defense for Notch. It's a deficiancy.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 27, 2012, 11:31:05 pm
well minecraft is highly moddable and a lot of mods he and jeb and the new hires have incorparated into the game.  As far as teh space game goes i think when he spikes his twitter feed his close to an annoucement.

I found another space exploration game coming up star farer seems to be moving along at a half decent pace

If he wants graphics type of inspiration check out pioneer

Until mod support is added, mods are not part of the 'update speed' equation. Even then, mods aren't even official updates, so that invalidates your statement.

Jeb is more competent than Notch though, and with him at the helm of Minecraft updates, things are pretty good.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 27, 2012, 11:33:13 pm
Actually I think Notch is doing the SAME tactic as the guys who made Terraria

They offer you the moon and then do not deliver.

So why wouldn't Notch sell a game and say it will some day be amazing if it earns him lots and lots of money?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 27, 2012, 11:42:08 pm
Yeah. Fortunately for Minecraft, it has a development team, unlike Terraria where there's only one guy doing all the coding.

It would explain why he suddenly got bored with developing the game and... doing nothing tangible yet, I suppose?

And of course, he's the one who basically made the 'pay now to get alpha' schtick famous, so why wouldn't he do that with his space game?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 28, 2012, 12:24:24 am
The Terraria people are making a Space game which is frankly A LOT like Terraria.

I am REALLY curious if they are going to pull the same thing with it as they did Terraria and try to build it up as some sort of epic continuously developed game.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on March 28, 2012, 12:39:58 am
Damn it, I had things I wanted to do today.  Being reminded of Firefly makes accomplishing these things significantly less likely.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Knight of Fools on March 28, 2012, 01:02:11 am
I'm one of the folks that thinks that Minecraft is fun and worth playing, but may have been a fluke of a pet project exploding with success. Notch still has to prove himself and his company by having two or three good games under his belt, and/or having a more complete product than Minecraft. (I mean, villages? Seriously?) I don't doubt that they can, and I hope they do, but I fear that Notch may allow his company to go the way of so many others by developing whatever their whims dictate, and/or whatever might make the most money. It's a young company, but it's a direction most companies head if they don't go bankrupt.


Anyhow I am still waiting for Notch's procedural card game that I doubt he will ever actually make. Though this topic isn't too helpful since I really got no information except that "it puts Spore to shame" except frankly... All games do that.

Heck I read Kenshi's "FAQ" and THE VAST MAJORITY is it saying how much better and different it is going to be then other games.

I typically don't trust the whole "my thing will be so much better than other stuff", and feel inclined to think the opposite is really true when I read it. I'm not sure where Kenshi fits into the discussion, but I've played Kenshi's demo, and it feels like a standard low-fantasy RPG set in a desert. It's cool and has a style of its own, but most games aren't as groundbreaking as their ideals claim them to be. Combining a bunch of old ideas with fresh ones doesn't produce a bad product, but pretending that the product is the best thing ever just feels like hot air to me.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Biag on March 28, 2012, 02:59:29 am
On the other hand, if you asked me to name a game that was much more groundbreaking than its ideals claimed, the first word on my lips would be Minecraft. Notch doesn't have all my faith, but hey, dude made Minecraft. You can't deny that's an impressive thing to have on your resume, whether or not he's an impressive person.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Virtz on March 28, 2012, 04:35:55 am
And of course, he's the one who basically made the 'pay now to get alpha' schtick famous, so why wouldn't he do that with his space game?
Uh. I dunno about making it famous. I mean, his game sold a lot, but it wasn't the only major release with that model. How about Mount & Blade? That sold well enough and operated under the same principle before Minecraft. In a few ways, you could even say Minecraft followed what happened with M&B all too much (like incorporating neat mod ideas into the main game rather than refining stuff already there).

I wouldn't be so much concerned with feature completeness (I actually think Minecraft could use more features, like a combat system that isn't total crap) as with plain coding quality. I mean, for something that uses pixelated textures, blocks for its geometry, and relatively simple shading, Minecraft runs pretty shit, I'd say. Like it heats up the computer faster than Crysis 2, Skyrim or Mass Effect 3.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Bordellimies on March 28, 2012, 05:06:57 am
And of course, he's the one who basically made the 'pay now to get alpha' schtick famous, so why wouldn't he do that with his space game?
Uh. I dunno about making it famous. I mean, his game sold a lot, but it wasn't the only major release with that model. How about Mount & Blade? That sold well enough and operated under the same principle before Minecraft. In a few ways, you could even say Minecraft followed what happened with M&B all too much (like incorporating neat mod ideas into the main game rather than refining stuff already there).

I wouldn't be so much concerned with feature completeness (I actually think Minecraft could use more features, like a combat system that isn't total crap) as with plain coding quality. I mean, for something that uses pixelated textures, blocks for its geometry, and relatively simple shading, Minecraft runs pretty shit, I'd say. Like it heats up the computer faster than Crysis 2, Skyrim or Mass Effect 3.

I once looked at this size scale thing, it ranged from stuff like atoms and such to universes. Minecraft world was about the size of Neptune. That might be a part of the problem.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Dariush on March 28, 2012, 05:07:38 am
On normal internet forums, threads devolve from content into trolling. On Bay12, it's the other way around.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Virtz on March 28, 2012, 06:48:17 am
And of course, he's the one who basically made the 'pay now to get alpha' schtick famous, so why wouldn't he do that with his space game?
Uh. I dunno about making it famous. I mean, his game sold a lot, but it wasn't the only major release with that model. How about Mount & Blade? That sold well enough and operated under the same principle before Minecraft. In a few ways, you could even say Minecraft followed what happened with M&B all too much (like incorporating neat mod ideas into the main game rather than refining stuff already there).

I wouldn't be so much concerned with feature completeness (I actually think Minecraft could use more features, like a combat system that isn't total crap) as with plain coding quality. I mean, for something that uses pixelated textures, blocks for its geometry, and relatively simple shading, Minecraft runs pretty shit, I'd say. Like it heats up the computer faster than Crysis 2, Skyrim or Mass Effect 3.

I once looked at this size scale thing, it ranged from stuff like atoms and such to universes. Minecraft world was about the size of Neptune. That might be a part of the problem.
World size shouldn't factor into this. You don't store the whole world in your RAM and you don't render the whole world every frame. Heck, you're not even supposed to render all of what's in front of the player, just the parts that are visible.

Plus I'm pretty sure most of Minecraft's world lies in a state of nonexistence until you go near it.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 28, 2012, 08:53:44 am
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I'm not sure where Kenshi fits into the discussion, but I've played Kenshi's demo, and it feels like a standard low-fantasy RPG set in a desert

It fits in because if you go to their official site and check their official FAQs you will see exactly what they are promising with Kenshi and it is mostly "We will be better" and "We will be different" and "Take that Elder Scrolls".

Even to the extent that I sort of wonder if Kenshi is a game made out of spite.

It is also an example because by all means Kenshi isn't promising the moon so I won't be putting Kenshi down.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Rose on March 28, 2012, 09:57:13 am
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: TempAcc on March 28, 2012, 10:11:08 am
On normal internet forums, threads devolve from content into trolling. On Bay12, it's the other way around.

Sig'd :P

I'm also very confident on notch's ability to punch out game ideas into decent games, but like with everyone I'm veeeery skeptical of his ability of actualy completing it in any way, at least in the next 4 years.

Not only that. Blockade Runner exists and its development is going at a nice pace, so I have no reason to be excited for a minecraft-eske space sim.

Also what caught my eye about the OP wasn't the lack of grammar and punctuation, but the absolute need to express that NOTCH, FROM MOJANG, (DID I MENTION HE CREATED MINECRAFT?) IS CREATING A SPACE RELATED GAME
Kay, I'll be quiet now.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 28, 2012, 10:33:46 am

See this is a good example. It's cool and all but what will it add to the game? Will you have to program things to progress through missions or use your ship? If so will there be a detailed and usefull tutorial? If not then this is just something Notch thought was cool and added in with no thought as to wether the game needed it, or what it would add.

It's stuff like this that makes me wish Notch would sit down and write out a design document for his games, and then stick to it.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Rose on March 28, 2012, 10:36:04 am
I dunno, I think this is pretty neat, and is something I've actually wanted for a long time in games.

Though personally, I was thinking more virtual pcs running a barebones linux console.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 28, 2012, 10:39:45 am
It's not so much whether it's neat and will be a cool thing in the game, it's that I doubt it's really been thought out beyond that.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 28, 2012, 10:52:01 am
Plus isn't typing on a computer inside a game a LOT like building blocks? and all we want from Notch is more kinds of blocks.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Cecilff2 on March 28, 2012, 10:52:57 am
Code Minecraft inside of Spacegame.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 28, 2012, 11:26:10 am
It's stuff like this that makes me wish Notch would sit down and write out a design document for his games, and then stick to it.
What makes you think he didn't? Because Minecraft? the game he started on a whim as a technical demo and feature creeped its way to success? No assumptions that after forming a company with multiple people and at least one guy skilled in management they would have discovered the magic of design documents?

Still looking forward to the game because it's not minecraft, no matter how much people fear it is.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: freeformschooler on March 28, 2012, 11:40:06 am
The Terraria people are making a Space game which is frankly A LOT like Terraria.

Just a reminder that this is false - there's only one guy from the Terraria team and his job was art there. The rest are new people.

Also, like every game, I'll give this one a chance. Minecraft turned out well IMO and even if this doesn't completely deliver it will still have the potential to be great.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 28, 2012, 11:50:42 am
It's stuff like this that makes me wish Notch would sit down and write out a design document for his games, and then stick to it.
What makes you think he didn't? Because Minecraft? the game he started on a whim as a technical demo and feature creeped its way to success? No assumptions that after forming a company with multiple people and at least one guy skilled in management they would have discovered the magic of design documents?

Still looking forward to the game because it's not minecraft, no matter how much people fear it is.

Because minecraft isn't just a game he started on a whim, it's a billion dollar unfinished mess that he works on by adding in cookies and NPC's that have no AI or purpose in the world. All those people at his company, with all their expertises, and none of them were like "hey Minecraft is pretty much our only source of income, maybe we should unbork it?"

It's pretty obvious that Mojang is a company formed around Notch, and what he wants to make and do. Minecraft was his pet project after he hired all those people and as such it was a case of whatever cool thing Notch saw taht week got half-assed into the game. This is his new pet project. I don't see him turning around and saying "hey guys, wanna come ruin my fun?!"

Also as far as I can remember (and I could be wrong) Minecraft was always intended to be a commercial game. I don't think it was ever some abstract tech demo? At least very very early on, like way before multiplayer, it was a game with a laundry list of "coming-soon" features.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 28, 2012, 11:53:23 am
The Terraria people are making a Space game which is frankly A LOT like Terraria.

Just a reminder that this is false - there's only one guy from the Terraria team and his job was art there. The rest are new people.

Also, like every game, I'll give this one a chance. Minecraft turned out well IMO and even if this doesn't completely deliver it will still have the potential to be great.

Yeah but you settled for what you got rather then Minecraft turning out awesome in its own way.

Also hearing the Spacegame isn't done by the development team of Terraria is actually good news to me. Thanks for informing me, all of a sudden that Space game is a lot more interesting since it isn't done by the guy who thinks Paper Dolls would make excellent bosses *keeps ranting*. Sorry Terraria disapointed me (I got suckered in by its first development video which was a LOT more put together then the game is even now).

I JUST hope, I really really hope, people in general stop being suckered into the idea that Proceedural = good or that proceedural = possitive variety. The sheer amount of games that have proceedural areas that look and place horribly is immense. I think it is because... if you program something to look a certain way then it has flaws... if the game does it itself then those flaws are what makes it interesting. That way we can actually move into improving "proceedural" indie games.

As much as people defend Terraria, you have to admit that most of it wasn't condusive to the gameplay.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: qwertyuiopas on March 28, 2012, 12:08:34 pm
Eloraam (creator of the RedPower minecraft mod) has something similar (http://"http://www.eloraam.com/?p=152"), but considering the rest of the mod that already exists, it seems like it will be far more useful.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: flap on March 28, 2012, 03:46:05 pm
(...) it was a game with a laundry list of "coming-soon" features.

I can't help finding that discussion, and specificaly that sentence, terribly ironical on a bay12 forum...
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 28, 2012, 03:56:51 pm
(...) it was a game with a laundry list of "coming-soon" features.

I can't help finding that discussion, and specificaly that sentence, terribly ironical on a bay12 forum...

Eh, I wasn't saying it's a bad thing? I was more referring to the fact that Minecraft was pretty much always intended to be a game, not a tech demo that snowballed into a game.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: GlyphGryph on March 28, 2012, 04:03:43 pm
And I think it fully delivered on what it was supposed to deliver. Everything since has basically been gravy, and I don't begrudge his approach to that.

When you've essentially built a complicated lego set, I don't really mind if you're design principle is "lets add cool new blocks", because all I really want as far as new aspects of the game is some cool new blocks.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Microcline on March 28, 2012, 04:12:08 pm
(...) it was a game with a laundry list of "coming-soon" features.

I can't help finding that discussion, and specifically that sentence, terribly ironic on a bay12 forum...
I think Notch is more vulnerable to criticism on this because
(i) He released his game as a commercial product
(ii) He moved his game to completed status when it's still clearly in alpha
(iii) His rate in implementing these features has slowed greatly since the first few months
Toady, as a freeware dev who maintains a consistent rate of progress and freely admits that his game's in alpha is much less vulnerable to criticism for lofty design goals.

That said, I can't bring myself to dislike Notch or begrudge him for his success.  As much as I can complain about his questionable design decisions and less-than-professional standards, he made a decent game in a criminally underrepresented niche.  I certainly don't regret spending $13 on it, and I'm probably not alone in that ($26 is pushing the boundary of good taste, though).
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 28, 2012, 04:22:40 pm
And I think it fully delivered on what it was supposed to deliver. Everything since has basically been gravy, and I don't begrudge his approach to that.

When you've essentially built a complicated lego set, I don't really mind if you're design principle is "lets add cool new blocks", because all I really want as far as new aspects of the game is some cool new blocks.

But the design principal was "lets add villagers and achivements and the nether and blocking and combat and criticals and redstone and hunger and survival and mod API and merge SSP/SMP and wolves and enchantment and leveling and an ending and a dragon..." and so forth. If it was just a game about building then why have survival mode, or hardcore mode? Why take out blocks like the sponge? Why did it take years to add upside down stairs? I mean if it's just about building things then wy have certain block types limited by material. You could have wooden stairs (as in not planks) or nether slabs or stone fences etc.

If the time had at least been spent fixing bugs or fixing the horrible memory usage problems with the client then it'd be understandable...

I think Notch is more vulnerable to criticism on this because
(i) He released his game as a commercial product
(ii) He moved his game to completed status when it's still clearly in alpha
(iii) His rate in implementing these features has slowed greatly since the first few months
Toady, as a freeware dev who maintains a consistent rate of progress and freely admits that his game's in alpha is much less vulnerable to criticism for lofty design goals.

That said, I can't bring myself to dislike Notch or begrudge him for his success.  As much as I can complain about his questionable design decisions and less-than-professional standards, he made a decent game in a criminally underrepresented niche.  I certainly don't regret spending $13 on it, and I'm probably not alone in that ($26 is pushing the boundary of good taste, though).

I agree with almost everything you said (I do dislike notch, but that's more to do with the whole minecon thing, and how he seems to be extremely unwilling to spend any money on minecraft than the game itself).
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on March 29, 2012, 05:29:57 am
Does someone want to explain what exactly the minecon thing was?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: debvon on March 29, 2012, 06:30:46 am
so too the trolls notch is a game with space ships. Plz don't be grammer nazis, hes making scrolls and he also made mincraft onto the games from mojong game with a space game



My god
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Rose on March 29, 2012, 06:34:09 am
You know, if you put some effort into your sentences, I might actually understand what you were trying to say.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 29, 2012, 07:03:10 am
Does someone want to explain what exactly the minecon thing was?

Notch decided his game needed a convention to celebrate it's release. Which is a perfect idea because minecraft updates always go silky smooth and never have any problems like bugs that corrupt your world. So having the entire Mojang staff in a seperate country at a party when they "release" the final version of their only source of income is a perfect idea.

Also he invited the Yogscast to attend as his keynote speakers and main entertainers, didn't pay for them or pay expenses, sold the rights to their presentation thingie to IGN without even informing them then after the con went on twitter to badmouth them.

Basically Notch shouldn't be allowed to use twitter.

Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 29, 2012, 07:14:11 am
Yeah, Notch + Twitter = PR Disaster.

And yeah, we can't hate the guy for being rich and all, but his design philosophy leaves much to be desired. Basically, if he thinks of something awesome, he adds it, then forgets about it, leaving it barren and almost useless.

Still waiting for useful nether features, like ORES.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 29, 2012, 08:09:06 am
And I think it fully delivered on what it was supposed to deliver.

You are aware that we can objectively prove this because Notch stated a long time ago what Minecraft was 'supposed' to deliver. We don't even need to enter the realm of subjectivity.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Rose on March 29, 2012, 12:16:54 pm
Quote from: Notch
Surprisingly little assembler code went into this! Now to implement a BASIC interpreter for maximum Xzibit.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on March 29, 2012, 01:10:37 pm
Yo dawg I heard you like computers...
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: BigD145 on March 29, 2012, 02:28:42 pm
And I think it fully delivered on what it was supposed to deliver.

You are aware that we can objectively prove this because Notch stated a long time ago what Minecraft was 'supposed' to deliver. We don't even need to enter the realm of subjectivity.

It's in his Tumblr somewhere and I don't know that he ever retracted the statement that Minecraft was intended to very much be RPGish/Adventure. It is still no such thing (except mildly in mods which Notch never ever supported -> declared from the start he never looked at the mod section of the forum). I suspect this space game won't even get to the point of the original Spore TED talk and later get a feature walk back.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: DrPoo on March 29, 2012, 02:43:23 pm
Stop whining about the grammar. You're only making Bay12 look bad.

And you who always makes fun of people who spell bad?
Atleast decent punctuation should be a prerequistite for posting on a forum.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on March 29, 2012, 02:51:56 pm
*badly
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: MorleyDev on March 29, 2012, 03:29:47 pm
Minecraft is almost entirely single-threaded* and coded in Java (http://www.jelovic.com/articles/why_java_is_slow.htm). As such, your quadruple core machine with umpteen 2Ghz processors is still only give it at most 2Ghz of work (hyper-threading aside) and the actual code is none too efficient either.

Ironically** what often gets sighted as "lag" is how it has the annoying start-up lag you always get in JIT-interpreters as one of their optimisations where every time a chunk of code is encountered for the first time in a running, it gets compiled again from bytecode to computer code and the whole program comes to a stop.

As an aside, Minecraft's "mod support" is also a quirk of Java, namely you can decompile, add your own code and recompile. It's mod support in the same way knocking down a wall and building a new one is refurnishing your house.

Minecraft is still essentially a paid tech demo where the developers went "This'd be cool!" and chucked it in. In-spite of all of these drawbacks, it still manages to be something some find rather fun. They wanted to make it a 3D rougelike with voxel-based building and with adventuring, so far they got half-way there and a bit.

* I am aware some multi-threading has been added but it still uses at most 25% of my 4-core machine.*** Adding multiple threads to a design originally based around one thread is like taking a donkey and trying to get a horse out of it, the best you'll get is a mule.

** This is actually a legitimate example of irony. "A state of affairs that is the reverse of what was to be expected; a result opposite to and in mockery of the appropriate result". An optimisation (the appropriate result being fast code) is causing people to complain of lag (the reverse state of affairs). Now that is irony! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY_amJ0YZrM) :)

*** FYI, my Quadcore i7 processor with 2.2Ghz (up to 3.2GHz with dynamic overclocking) per processor and NVIDIA GT 555M graphics card does manage to squeeze out on average a few hundred FPS with Minecraft.

Hopefully Notch learnt from some of these problems, especially "Don't hoist threads into a single threaded design after-the-fact. Think concurrent from the start".
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Knight of Fools on March 29, 2012, 04:57:44 pm
On the subject of Minecraft being horribly inefficient, my single processor machine is a little monster when I poke it with a stick. I can run Skyrim at maximum settings without a hitch, and even play Battlefield 3 at maximum settings. (For the sake of honesty, I did have a graphics glitch after an hour or so, but the game kept running.)

However, on Minecraft, I crash after 30 minutes at maximum viewing distance. I mean, when both a Bethesda and an EA game are outperforming a simple multi-million dollar indie game and looking a heck of a lot better, there's room for improvement.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Chattox on March 29, 2012, 05:12:04 pm
While you guys prattle on about petty, off-topic issues, Notch is actually making a space game. If you want to be butthurt about a super-rich developer, make another thread for it.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 29, 2012, 05:20:26 pm
While you guys prattle on about petty, off-topic issues, Notch is actually making a space game. If you want to be butthurt about a super-rich developer, make another thread for it.
They already have a third of the Minecraft thread. Although I gotta admit, theorizing how he would approach this, no matter how silly their reasoning is, seems to be the topic at hand. Even if it's profoundly boring.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 29, 2012, 05:41:26 pm
While you guys prattle on about petty, off-topic issues, Notch is actually making a space game. If you want to be butthurt about a super-rich developer, make another thread for it.

Do you have more information on this game? Is there more info on this game? Do we know ANYTHING about it other then that one computer?

I think the topic based on what Notch is likely to do with this game given evidence of Minecraft is pretty on topic.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on March 29, 2012, 05:45:45 pm
I thought the thread was meant to be primarily about Twitter?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 29, 2012, 05:47:32 pm
I thought the thread was meant to be primarily about Twitter?

It was an announcement that Notch is making this game... and gave no info.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: ansontan2000 on March 29, 2012, 05:54:15 pm
On normal internet forums, threads devolve from content into trolling. On Bay12, it's the other way around.

Sigging.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Knight of Fools on March 29, 2012, 06:19:27 pm
While you guys prattle on about petty, off-topic issues, Notch is actually making a space game. If you want to be butthurt about a super-rich developer, make another thread for it.

Chill out. The thread's about Notch, so we talk about Notch. If you want to be butthurt about us talking about a super-rich developer in a thread bearing his name, make another thread for it.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Bitoru on March 29, 2012, 06:52:17 pm
i think tihs game is gonan suc bc notch is so lasy lol

On a more serious note: Mojang has yet to impress me, I don't hate on Notch [much], but there's nothing incredibly (remotely?) original in any of his games, so I don't expect much from this one either.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: NobodyPro on March 29, 2012, 07:10:31 pm
And I think it fully delivered on what it was supposed to deliver.

You are aware that we can objectively prove this because Notch stated a long time ago what Minecraft was 'supposed' to deliver. We don't even need to enter the realm of subjectivity.
I want books to be functional D:

** This is actually a legitimate example of irony. "A state of affairs that is the reverse of what was to be expected; a result opposite to and in mockery of the appropriate result". An optimisation (the appropriate result being fast code) is causing people to complain of lag (the reverse state of affairs). Now that is irony! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY_amJ0YZrM) :)
I raise you an Ed Byrne. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg)
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 29, 2012, 07:33:36 pm
While you guys prattle on about petty, off-topic issues, Notch is actually making a space game. If you want to be butthurt about a super-rich developer, make another thread for it.

Actually, we're talking about what Notch is likely to do with his space game. We're using minecraft as an example because... just look at it. There's a bunch of unfinished stuff, and a few months later, Notch adds more while forgetting about the others. The Nether is still lacking in the 'stuff to do' department, and it took many, many years just to add inverted staircases. He added achievements, and it took a few months, if not a year to add more achievements.

In short, we're talking about how likely Notch is going to halfass his upcoming space game.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 29, 2012, 08:45:59 pm
Ohh gawd I forgot about achievements.

I know everyone loves them but I think they are the most worthless addition to gaming history that actually make things a bit worse.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Knight of Fools on March 29, 2012, 11:03:09 pm
I don't mind them, as long as they're not:

"Must... Do mission... Perfectly... For achievement...!"

For stupid generic stuff (Like walking 1000Km, killing 10,000 noobs, etc) I don't mind.

Unfortunately, Minecraft kinda diddled around and pretended to have achievements. I mean, an achievement for cutting your first tree down? ...Okay...

I don't think it'd be a big loss for SpaceGame not to have any achievements.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trevasaurus on March 29, 2012, 11:22:44 pm
I dont have a problem with Notch and I definitely got my moneys worth from Minecraft but at the same time I was never really blown away by anything he has done. I think the greatest thing about the game was the feeling of freedom and creativity to build your own story as you played and its a shame that at the moment they are concentrating on trying to build upon the generic rpg elements that have been added than creating hundreds of new blocks to build with. That said if Notch can bring the same kind of openness and customizablity to a space-based game then I will be very interested in seeing what develops. I also have my concerns that without a very solid plan and development schedule a game with the scale that he is planning to tackle will be very empty and unfinished for a very long time. It wont be a pre-order for me but something I will be interested to watch the development of.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 29, 2012, 11:53:23 pm
Quote
its a shame that at the moment they are concentrating on trying to build upon the generic rpg elements that have been added than creating hundreds of new blocks to build with

Is this written correctly? because frankly this is the exact opposite of how I feel.

Though I guess it goes to show that no one is happy except the guy who drives the Gravy boat.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 30, 2012, 12:13:29 am
I don't mind them, as long as they're not:

"Must... Do mission... Perfectly... For achievement...!"

For stupid generic stuff (Like walking 1000Km, killing 10,000 noobs, etc) I don't mind.

Unfortunately, Minecraft kinda diddled around and pretended to have achievements. I mean, an achievement for cutting your first tree down? ...Okay...

I don't think it'd be a big loss for SpaceGame not to have any achievements.

The problem with the minecraft achievements is that they were meant to be the tutorial. It's kind of a huge design flaw that for a fully finished and released game people still have to alt-tab out and check a wiki on how to make pretty much anything. The achievements were meant to take a player through punching their first tree to crafting everything in the game. Notch basically did a few and got bored, forgetting (or not caring) that it was kind of a big deal.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Danaru on March 30, 2012, 04:55:58 am
I'll stop disliking Notch once they put floating islands back in the game.

I'm serious, I can overlook the broken promises, the half-implemented ideas, the missed deadlines, everything else, but god dammit the flying islands were the reason I bought the game.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 30, 2012, 05:52:57 am
While that might be cool, somebody ought to fix redstone torch burnouts first, because after a torch burns out, any subsequent replacements of that torch will burn out immediately, forcing me to relocate the whole circuit elsewhere and use a ton of redstone repeaters.

...this post should've been in Minecraft: The General Thread. >.>
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: MrWiggles on March 30, 2012, 05:54:35 am
Would it be to much douchery to ask what dead/dying indy game Notch is using for a spring board for this game?

I guess Pox Nora isn't dead or dying, but it can't be denied that Scrolls isn't the only CCG/MMO/TBS, even if it's an odd combo.
---
I think this post is gonna turn into a general Notch thread.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: jocan2003 on March 30, 2012, 01:26:46 pm
While that might be cool, somebody ought to fix redstone torch burnouts first, because after a torch burns out, any subsequent replacements of that torch will burn out immediately, forcing me to relocate the whole circuit elsewhere and use a ton of redstone repeaters.

...this post should've been in Minecraft: The General Thread. >.>
MUCH better tan making circuits
http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/892282-124-computercraft-132-updated/

Instead you use a single block and make program to handle everything your circuit supposed to do!!
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 30, 2012, 02:57:04 pm
I am still somewhat interested in Scrolls... though the fact that he has nothing on it after over a year... suggests he isn't exactly working on it so much as thinking about it.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 30, 2012, 03:43:29 pm
The only thing I can remember about Scrolls is that it's a CCG MMO thing where you buy the game and then buy cards within the game. Am I misremembering this, or am I correct in thinking this is a terrible idea?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on March 30, 2012, 03:55:04 pm
The only thing I can remember about Scrolls is that it's a CCG MMO thing where you buy the game and then buy cards within the game. Am I misremembering this, or am I correct in thinking this is a terrible idea?

Really?

That sounds like MTG Tactics.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: MrWiggles on March 30, 2012, 04:17:04 pm
The only thing I can remember about Scrolls is that it's a CCG MMO thing where you buy the game and then buy cards within the game. Am I misremembering this, or am I correct in thinking this is a terrible idea?

Really?

That sounds like MTG Tactics.

That's what you do in Pox Nora.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on March 31, 2012, 04:42:13 pm
Game name has been decided and a list of features released. (http://marseffect.net/) Looks pretty good!
Also April fools
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on March 31, 2012, 05:04:46 pm
"A game ending that makes sense." Was a dead give away. Though it's kinda sad that it's totally believable as something Notch would do.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: zombat on April 01, 2012, 10:10:28 am
Would it be to much douchery to ask what dead/dying indy game Notch is using for a spring board for this game?

I guess Pox Nora isn't dead or dying, but it can't be denied that Scrolls isn't the only CCG/MMO/TBS, even if it's an odd combo.
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I think this post is gonna turn into a general Notch thread.

Blockade Runner?


*Looks at his calender*
Oh FFS...
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 01, 2012, 12:01:37 pm
Mars effect really?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on April 01, 2012, 12:05:37 pm
Mars effect really?

No, not really. (It's an April Fools joke)
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 01, 2012, 12:21:26 pm
Mars effect really?

No, not really. (It's an April Fools joke)

I hope so... since it actually matches Notch's naming schemes and sounds like something he would come up with.

April fools is so pointless.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Aqizzar on April 01, 2012, 02:53:25 pm
"A game ending that makes sense." Was a dead give away. Though it's kinda sad that it's totally believable as something Notch would do.

I do find it pretty hilarious that even Notch didn't take very long to acknowledge that the lauded "endgame" content he finally got around to adding after two years is a pain in the ass and makes no sense.

He's dead serious about the 16-bit computer thing though.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 01, 2012, 02:57:31 pm
Well everyone knows the "End game" of Minecraft was entirely phoned in and actually serves as drastic tonal and thematic shift in the game itself.

"I won't make the end game suck guys really!" wouldn't be so bad.

Though what made me not really guess it was an April Fool's joke was just how truely vague everything was. It didn't really promise anything which made me think "Ohh I guess Notch learned his lesson and is going to make everything vague so no one can call him on lost content". Nothing really was said. The rest was very standard features in space games that they just said in dramatic ways. "Power supply" isn't anything new.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on April 01, 2012, 03:11:03 pm
I don't think the ending comments were referring to Minecraft.  They were more likely ripping on Mass Effect.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 01, 2012, 03:21:10 pm
I don't think the ending comments were referring to Minecraft.  They were more likely ripping on Mass Effect.

Ohhh... Odd given that the Endgame of Minecraft is also nonsense, disapointing, and stupid.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: BigD145 on April 01, 2012, 05:43:33 pm
Step 1: Mars Effect
Step 2: Reskin next year for April 1
Step 3: ?
Step 4: profit

Mojang will make millions... more.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 01, 2012, 10:15:24 pm
Kinda makes me wish that other Space game MMO was better since honestly... I loved it but I couldn't play it for the life of me (what killed it for me was I got marooned on a planet and lost control of my city... that and the defensive buildings were only stylised bunkers)
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Sowelu on April 02, 2012, 12:56:42 pm
Hmm, I should dig up my old "Star Crew" project from a couple years ago.  Notch's first post announcing this game made me go "Oh hey I already made that game, no wait I only got a couple weeks into the project".  But yeah, multiple players on a ship in FPS view, walking around looking at ship displays and stuff.  More Puzzle Pirates flavored though.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on April 02, 2012, 03:27:59 pm
Anyone willing to make a proper thread for the game that actually has links, more information, and Grammar that doesn't make me want to rip my eyes out?

Edit: It already puts me off that this thread was created because of a few tweets.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Tilla on April 02, 2012, 03:30:12 pm
The game is real, the name Mars Effect and a few digs at Mass Effect were the only parts that were a prank.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 02, 2012, 04:47:44 pm
Anyone willing to make a proper thread for the game that actually has links, more information, and Grammar that doesn't make me want to rip my eyes out?

Edit: It already puts me off that this thread was created because of a few tweets.

I am willing for one to be created but I don't want to do it myself because I don't want to go hunting down information.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 02, 2012, 04:52:12 pm
Edit: It already puts me off that this thread was created because of a few tweets.

People are dead fucking serious about his playful joking twitter. No surprise there.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Fikes on April 02, 2012, 07:57:31 pm
Edit: It already puts me off that this thread was created because of a few tweets.

People are dead fucking serious about his playful joking twitter. No surprise there.

Dead fucking is pretty serious.

Someone start a real thread.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on April 02, 2012, 08:05:36 pm
There's no need, this one still works fine.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on April 02, 2012, 08:11:05 pm
I thought the entireity of information about this game was allready in this thread? Notch is making a space game with features such as *insert any feature found in any space game/show/book/movie. It's his secret project and he's tweeted about it. There are computers and programming in it for some reason. Though saying that I just googled it and found this:

Quote
Minecraft creator Markus 'Notch' Persson's next major project will likely be an open world space game inspired by classic trading sim Elite and cult sci-fi series Firefly.

Speaking in an interview with PC Gamer, Notch revealed that he hopes to make a space game in the same vein as David Braben's ancient 3D classic, but "done right".

"I want the space game that's more like Firefly," he explained.

"I want to run around on my ship and have to put out a fire. Like, oh crap, the cooling system failed, I have to put out the fire here."

Although he still hasn't decided for sure whether the idea will indeed be Mojang's next big title, he suggested that if it is, it will follow a similar development model to its breakout hit.

"The goal is to do it the same way I did Minecraft," he said.

"Just basically have me work on it for a while, and then we'll add people as needed, and try to charge as soon as possible, because it's probably going to be open ended sandbox game as well, so it doesn't need to be completed before people can play it."

He added that he wouldn't be put out if another developer takes the idea and runs with it before he has a chance to get started.

"If someone steals the idea before me, that's totally fine. I just want to play that game."

Notch then later clarified his stance on Elite via Twitter. "Please note that I did not wish to imply Elite wasn't done right. I wanted to imply it hasn't been done right since," he wrote.

(Bolded for importance) Oh... Oh no.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 02, 2012, 08:17:27 pm
I thought the entireity of information about this game was allready in this thread? Notch is making a space game with features such as *insert any feature found in any space game/show/book/movie. It's his secret project and he's tweeted about it. There are computers and programming in it for some reason. Though saying that I just googled it and found this:

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Minecraft creator Markus 'Notch' Persson's next major project will likely be an open world space game inspired by classic trading sim Elite and cult sci-fi series Firefly.

Speaking in an interview with PC Gamer, Notch revealed that he hopes to make a space game in the same vein as David Braben's ancient 3D classic, but "done right".

"I want the space game that's more like Firefly," he explained.

"I want to run around on my ship and have to put out a fire. Like, oh crap, the cooling system failed, I have to put out the fire here."

Although he still hasn't decided for sure whether the idea will indeed be Mojang's next big title, he suggested that if it is, it will follow a similar development model to its breakout hit.

"The goal is to do it the same way I did Minecraft," he said.

"Just basically have me work on it for a while, and then we'll add people as needed, and try to charge as soon as possible, because it's probably going to be open ended sandbox game as well, so it doesn't need to be completed before people can play it."

He added that he wouldn't be put out if another developer takes the idea and runs with it before he has a chance to get started.

"If someone steals the idea before me, that's totally fine. I just want to play that game."

Notch then later clarified his stance on Elite via Twitter. "Please note that I did not wish to imply Elite wasn't done right. I wanted to imply it hasn't been done right since," he wrote.

(Bolded for importance) Oh... Oh no.

Mother of...

s**t.

So we're going to get Minecraft 2: Electric Boogaloo: RECYCLED IN SPACE!! ?

This better be unique.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Orb on April 02, 2012, 08:19:50 pm
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"Just basically have me work on it for a while, and then we'll add people as needed, and try to charge as soon as possible, because it's probably going to be open ended sandbox game as well, so it doesn't need to be completed before people can play it."

This caught my eye. Why would he need to charge right away, when hes got 100s of millions of dollars under his belt.  :-\
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: fenrif on April 02, 2012, 08:28:40 pm
Because "indie charm" and definatly not because Notch is a skinflint who thinks people have forgotten about the entire development history of Minecraft.

Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Roboboy33 on April 02, 2012, 09:53:39 pm
I lol'd at this entire thread.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Duke 2.0 on April 02, 2012, 09:57:00 pm
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"Just basically have me work on it for a while, and then we'll add people as needed, and try to charge as soon as possible, because it's probably going to be open ended sandbox game as well, so it doesn't need to be completed before people can play it."

This caught my eye. Why would he need to charge right away, when hes got 100s of millions of dollars under his belt.  :-\

Because the logic "Why do you need money when you already have money" is kinda bad.

Probably trying to kill indie charm. A decent cause.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 02, 2012, 10:08:48 pm
If Notch is trying to kill Indie Charm... Yeah I would support him on that.

People need to learn it isn't a magical "Genre" (In fact it isn't a genre at all)
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on April 02, 2012, 10:12:59 pm
Mojang is Indie in the most loose definition of the term. They have made enough money from Minecraft to go Triple A now, and anyone who thinks they have money issues is just plain stupid and wrong.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Neonivek on April 02, 2012, 10:17:40 pm
Mojang is Indie in the most loose definition of the term. They have made enough money from Minecraft to go Triple A now, and anyone who thinks they have money issues is just plain stupid and wrong.

No one thinks they have money issues unless they were ripped off by the distributers.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Aqizzar on April 02, 2012, 10:56:33 pm
Probably trying to kill indie charm. A decent cause.

People need to learn it isn't a magical "Genre" (In fact it isn't a genre at all)

Funny how one of the games that helped defined "indie" has become a fantastic antidote to its charms.

I mean, it's not even close to surprising, but it is ironic at least.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 03, 2012, 12:07:51 am
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"Just basically have me work on it for a while, and then we'll add people as needed, and try to charge as soon as possible, because it's probably going to be open ended sandbox game as well, so it doesn't need to be completed before people can play it."

This caught my eye. Why would he need to charge right away, when hes got 100s of millions of dollars under his belt.  :-\

Because if you have power, the next thing you want to earn is more power. Repeat ad infinitum.

But seriously, while Minecraft has its charms, would doing a 'Minecraft 2: In Space' work again?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on April 03, 2012, 12:11:24 am
Not if you don't spell it 'Spess'
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: scriver on April 03, 2012, 04:28:12 am
Mojang is Indie in the most loose definition of the term. They have made enough money from Minecraft to go Triple A now, and anyone who thinks they have money issues is just plain stupid and wrong.

Indie just means working independent from the big publishers. It doesn't really matter how much money you have to back it up yourself.
 

Funny how one of the games that helped defined "indie" has become a fantastic antidote to its charms.

I mean, it's not even close to surprising, but it is ironic at least.

No games defined indie, the label was brought over from the music industry :P
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: MrWiggles on April 03, 2012, 04:59:58 am
Mojang is Indie in the most loose definition of the term. They have made enough money from Minecraft to go Triple A now, and anyone who thinks they have money issues is just plain stupid and wrong.

Indie just means working independent from the big publishers. It doesn't really matter how much money you have to back it up yourself.
 

And when does Indy stop being consider Indy?

I think Mojong has the cash flow to consider well above other indy studios, and Activision, EA, ect all started out as small developers. Look at Rockstar, they used to make Lemmings.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: lordcooper on April 03, 2012, 05:23:01 am
They stop being indie when they start working for (or become) a big publisher.
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: MrWiggles on April 03, 2012, 05:33:03 am
They stop being indie when they start working for (or become) a big publisher.
Whats the qualifier for being a big publisher?
Title: Re: Notch from mojong game about ready with a space game ( creator of minecraft)
Post by: Trapezohedron on April 03, 2012, 06:52:08 am
Prolly when a lot of devs contact them to publish their game for them, or when they buy said devs and assimilate them. In short, when they publish a lot of games, whether it's theirs or they're just publishing for the sake of... yeah.