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I have some notes on all the Genesis metals... I think most of this is from around 5.30 so there's a chance something's changed since I last read through the raws.

Copper, Iron, Steel and Adamantine are the same as in Vanilla, so I compare everything else to these metals.

Cobalt: About as good as copper for weapons and armor generally, meaning I never use it unless it's all I have. Can be very plentiful though, it's great for making BLUE furniture and bolts. Same weight as copper.

Titanite: If you have magma and find veins of the right rocks, titanite is incredibly good and easy to make. Equivalent to steel for armour, at half the weight. Twice as sharp as steel, or half as sharp as adamantine, however you want to look at it. Titanite ores: Anatase, Ilmenite, Meteorite, Rutile, Sphene

Bloodsteel: twice as sharp as steel (a bit sharper than titanite), same weight as steel, between steel and mithril on armour attributes. Is actually a boring grey colour, despite what the name may suggest.

Voidsteel: only slightly sharper than steel, otherwise the same as bloodsteel. I've been told it does extra damage to voidlings but haven't tested those guys in a while and they've been changed. Other notable difference is bloodsteel uses bauxite where voidsteel uses obsidian. This makes voidsteel much easier to make.

Mithril: It's like a poor man's adamantine. Same weight, half as sharp (equal to titanite) 2/5 as good as adamantine for armour (twice as good as steel). Can be made into clothes like adamantine. Rarity depends on how much silver and aluminium you have on your map, although you can import both of these if you need to.

Vulcanite: Similar stats to adamantine, although it's nearly as heavy as silver, and 30% sharper. And it's RED!

Dragonscale/Dragonbone: Dragonscale is for armour, dragonbone is for weapons.  Slightly heavier than adamantine and lighter than titanite. Armour stats slightly worse than bloodsteel vs blunt and equal to steel vs sharp. Dragonbone sharpness is between voidsteel and titanite. The only way I ever have any is from melting stuff traders bring me. Also, there is a leather called dragonscale... this one is a metal bar.

Moonsilver: A weird one. Supposedly the metal to use against werebeasts and the like. The numbers in the raws suggest that it would be either worse than copper or between copper and steel as armour, and it has no value for MAX_EDGE which is what I use to judge sharpness/axe quality. I've never really used moonsilver so don't know much about how well it actually works.

I'd really like some way to detect ambushes without chaining scarabs around the place. Is it possible to make something that gives a huge boost to observer? Would that even do anything? Or is that what the nightwatch scarf does.

Also I think something for pain would be nice, it seems to be a common spell my dwarfs have to deal with.

The other idea I have is something that will remove infections, if that's possible. I usually try to clockwork/remade infected dwarfs, but it might be nice to have other options.

Oh, and while I'm spamming up the board. I think there's possibly a problem with the Storm and Pyromancy Towers, but I don't know enough about how they work to be sure and I've only got one world to base this off...

But basically I think the deal is you need a god with Fire or Lightning spheres to make a slab for these, right? What happened in my world, however, was storm and fire dragons ended up pretending to be all the storm and fire gods, so nobody ended up worshipping the actual gods and no slabs for fire/storm secrets were made. I'm going to go gen a few more worlds just to make sure that wasn't some kind of crazy coincidence though

Yeah, looks like it might have just been a funny coincidence, first world I generated in 5.36 has a storm slab. Sure was funny to see dragons that didn't do much except write books about how awesome dragons are for 300 years though.

I will make sure there's no scroll with the lighting enabled.

Fantastic, can't wait! I've been having so much fun in adventure mode, converting night creature caves into tombs. It'll be nice to hopefully be able to light them up with rendermax. Or even have some kind of throwable flare or spell to light up places in adventure mode at some point...

Is anyone else having a problem with their Pottery workshop spawning units of Magma on any reaction and combusting?

Masterwork V.4a, playing as kobolds, yes. The reaction I was trying was shaping crafts from fire clay. Was unable to test other reactions due to fire.

Pasture them ON the workshop.

Aha! Works perfectly. Thanks!

I was working on druiding up the cripple, but I just lost her and most of my military to a voidling ambush, so now everything's spiralling out of control. The constant spam of stunning spells is just too powerful for normal dwarves to deal with, and the one military clockwork I have was made incredibly weak and slow by the process so couldn't get to the fight in time.

It was a fun fort though. The only metal I really found in the ground was cobalt and I was at war with most of the humans most of the time because their silly diplomats kept falling into my moat. I had four 11x11 refuse piles full of corpses and my biggest problem was cleaning up the entrance in time for the next siege or trader. By year 8 I had 25 melee military dwarves wearing bloodsteel (I brought almost nothing but bauxite on embark and looted the iron from the battlefield) and another 30 crossbowdwarves in a mix of dragonbone, dragonscale, mithril, titanite and bloodsteel.

I really liked having a hospital setup where I put a magma sauna in the middle, surround it with 12 beds, and surround the beds with a ring of alternating tables and traction benches. Pretty neat design and all the patients get the sauna buff when it's running.

I learned that a 3 tile wide entrance is a big risk when you have so many different races to trade with. I got a traffic jam when some were coming out at the same time others were going in. The wagons couldn't move, but eventually the wagons all disappeared when I wasn't watching.

I had problems with activating bronze centurions and spiders. I had all the inactive centurions and spiders standing around in the room with the workshop, but nothing ever happened when the jobs ran, apart from the puff of smoke.

One of the clockworks I made lost all his steam and his strength went down to 208. I'm not sure if these things are related, or if there's some kind of random chance for things to go wrong when you turn a dwarf into a clockwork?

The werebeasts are terrifying, but far from unkillable. I remember playing an older version in adventure mode and those things were untouchable killing machines. I was a bit worried when one showed up and sprinted straight into the fortress. It only managed to kill a few relatively useless dwarfs though and a few decently trained military dwarves took it down.

I'm not entirely sure what to do with the ox strength compound, focusing concoction etc. I made a bunch and just stored them in the food stockpile, but I'm not sure if that's all you're supposed to do with the stuff.