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I just played with the new version, long enough to see some of what it can offer.  Having not played since taverns became a thing, I didnt know that necromancers and undead in general got revamped.

Necros can now summon bogeymen, immediately enthrall a living creature, raise tradition dead in unlimited number, and raise intelligent undead in unlimited number.  And create various frankensteins.


How do people feel about these changes and the effects they have on dwarf mode?  How about balance?


My immediate reaction is to dislike the intelligent undead, or at least how they are currently implemented.  I dont want headless urist living forever and being immune to syndromes.  I dont want my dwarves ignoring the mutilated dead.  I especially dont want them to have various syndrome-inducing spells and magical abilities.  Theyre just thralls, right?


It strikes me as aloof from the established lore of the game to have dwarves accept undead as a normal part of society.  And clearly undead at that.  Necromancer garner suspicion, but I dont think they actually get ousted.  Foodless fortress is entirely possible now, isnt it.

It strikes me as a complete alteration of gameplay to have such broken citizens, literally and figuratively.  Does anyone know if they will heal wounds?

The slabs themselves arent incredibly difficult to obtain in fort mode.

It probably has a lot to do with the undead apocalypse triggering in most older worlds.

I just wanted other's thoughts on them, and toss around ideas about undead.  For instance, Im sure theyll be reined in a t some point, and this i just the broad framework.  My thoughts on magic is that it should be 'magic lite': limited magic users, most magic is supportive in nature, creatures are generally distrusting of most learned magic for its inherently corrupting nature, and the snowballing effect of necromancers and the like limited by more stringent controls on what they can raise/do and how society reacts to them.

What are the circumstances in which a dwarve (or wild beast, or invader) will climb?

For instance, will a monster climb a wall to get into a whole in a cavern wall?  Will a dwarf climb out of said hole to chase down a web?

I channeled out a farm area, with the intention of marking the farmland as a pool area to wet it.  The dwarves didnt climb out of the pit when I sent them in to remove the ramps....

Will monsters climb diagonally?  For instance, if I wall off a hole, but such as a flier could path though it by moving up 1 and over 1 tile, could a climber get in, and would an interested ai do so via climbing?

What about pit traps or dry moats?  Will mons be able to climb out of a pit trap or dry moat if the bridge retracts instead of pulls upward?

0.9d Mod

First, What is a tavern, or a library?  (seriously, what constitutes buildings/structures, and how can i use them?  Dwarves in my day didnt read or write, they smoothed pictographs into a stone wall like men)

Second, what recent version is mostly game-breaking bug free?

Third, do sneak-thieves and kidnappers visit?

fourth, can i just play based on my knowledge of the game from pre-magic update?

Can my starting seven bed the same as before, or is there a new optimal setup?

Are zeds still stronger than husks?  Is an evil biome relatively the same as before?

Is climbing still obnoxious, or can I now pit monsters for future use?

Are military bugs still a thing?  Such as improper layering, hunters/miners not equipping properly, dwarves beserking into combat with no regard for safety, etc.

Soooo, I haven't played any of the new fortress modes since right before the addition of libraries.  Working taverns and human visitors are a rumor to  me, and the idea that I shouldnt murder every human and goblin that stumbles in is a silly proposition to me.

My last real attempt to play was . . . this
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=140842.msg5487290#msg5487290

And I mean, this is so old that we embarked on a tomb complex and murdered an olm-man vampire into a human war.  Speaking of, can we diplomatically resolve vampire liaisons or  diplomats?



Any way.  What changes in my first new fort?  Can I play the new versions of the game as if it were 34.11?

How do?  Im worried most about installing it and then finding a reason to use it or worse, screwing something up in my comfy windows.

Im putting it onto a relatively functional computer, but what should I be doing?

-The old one which may have been destroyed by me.

What is it?
 -This here is a picture fight.  Your objective is to post a picture that would 'beat' the picture above it, whether through combat or just being outdone.

Why?
 -Shut up.

What can't we post?
 -Porn, direct avatars that aren't yours, and use your discretion with 'triggers', because while I don't believe in them as such I don't need to for somebody else to get offended.

Gifs?
 -Sure, but please be tasteful and limit them.

What if the awesomeist awesome pic gets posted above me?
 -Admit defeat, start again.

Anything else?
 -Yea, actually.  Please include a brief description of your picture for the inevitable day when somebody doesn't get why yours wins out.

That's all?
 -Also consider spoilering bigger pics.  And using smaller ones.

Does anybody know what engravings on walls and floors are actually worth in value?

Does anything other than quality and the material its engraved into matter?