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Title: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: RenoFox on September 25, 2011, 07:18:03 pm
EA's newest hit Dwarf Fortress: Retribution takes the popular franchise into a bold new direction. Abandoning the ASCII in favor of state-of-the-art graphics, this immersive game presents Dwarf Fortress as it was always meant to be played.

"I have always been an avid fan of Dwarf Fortress, and I'm proud to finally make it into a game that is as accessible to new players as it is for the veterans." says John Thompson from the EA marketing division. "From the first person perspective you get a perfect view to the dark, claustrophobic mines where the goblins and demons are waiting for you behind each corner."

The damage system is more streamlined, while keeping the classic splints and crutches as health pickups. The accurate bodypart-centric damage is also there, and in boss fights like the dragon you must first destroy its claws before getting a chance to strike its heart. Dwarf Fortress boasts over a dozen different weapons and an unique crafting system for upgrading them for either speed, damage or accuracy. "I always loved the detailed geology in the original game. That is why each gem has an element associated with it for a temporary stat boost."

While the plot of Dwarf Fotress: Retribution is still a secret, the pre-release cutscenes have given some insights into the new world EA has created. You take on the role of Ulrich the dwarf, and with the aid of the beautiful elven sorceress Cacame you are sent down to the deepest mines to assault the gobling fortress. Ulrich is betrayed by his commander and he discovers a great secret threatening the fate of the world itself.

The Dwarf Fortress has indeed come a long way from its humble origins and matured into a full-fledged fantasy shooter. Fast-paced combat and the dark setting are sure to make this a must-have for fantasy gamers and hardcore online gamers alike.

Details:
-Three levels raging from mines and underground caverns to the massive dark fortress
-Collect the mysterious adamantium to increase your stats and gain new abilities
-Buy new armors, ranging from rope reed clothes to golden plate mail
-5 boss fights against the most imaginative monsters ever created
-Five different weapons with three upgrades each
-Helpful support characters with healing spells and offensive magic
-12 player multiplayer with modes like deathmatch arena and mine flags
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 25, 2011, 07:26:26 pm
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That is why each gem has an element associated with it for a temporary stat boost.

This was sort of the only part that made me laugh, because they would do it.

Though my problem with this Satire is that for the most part... It doesn't seem like it is about Dwarf Fortress... it is like you just chose another game and called it Dwarf Fortress.

It should feel like it was Dwarf Fortress with its soul sucked out. Not "Some game with Dwarf Fortress put infront of it"

MIND you... don't listen to me... because that is the EXACT SAME THING that happened with X-Com
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: RenoFox on September 25, 2011, 08:17:16 pm
They did it to Syndicate too, which is why I don't believe they can do anything but FPS and sports games anymore.

They pissed off Somethingawful as well. (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/populous-syndicate-xcom.php)
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 25, 2011, 08:36:40 pm
They did it to Syndicate too, which is why I don't believe they can do anything but FPS and sports games anymore.

They pissed off Somethingawful as well. (http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/populous-syndicate-xcom.php)

*Hits head on wall*

Why is EA even allowed to exist?

I actually didn't mind X-com when I first heard of it. I thought it was some sort of prequil for X-com that was going to be a first person shooter with strategy and mystery elements thrown in. It sure as HECK didn't end up that way.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Oliolli on September 25, 2011, 11:33:13 pm
The hate is spreading... EA hate threads are a daily event on the SteamPowered Users Forum, now they start appearing here as well?
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: janglur on September 25, 2011, 11:40:51 pm
What can we say?  EA has ruined everything they've ever gotten their hands on, and haven't put a decent game out since roughly 1998.
EA is where game companies (and games) go to die.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 25, 2011, 11:52:09 pm
What can we say?  EA has ruined everything they've ever gotten their hands on, and haven't put a decent game out since roughly 1998.
EA is where game companies (and games) go to die.

That isn't true, they have had a few successes... Grand successes

The problem is that EA can never have nice things and they always end up mucking it up by the end. (for example Will actually said that EA were the ones who saved The Sims)
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: JimmyBobJr on September 26, 2011, 02:07:52 am
If EA got the rights... I would feel really bad. But i would hope that they would do good with it. Then cry as they dont.

But i still think people are hating too much on EA- they do release games. Good Games. Games like Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Mirrors Edge, Rock Band, Dead Space, Crysis and not to mention the Sims.

I dont really get why theres sooo much hate.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Ieb on September 26, 2011, 05:34:31 am
If EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress, I would build a basement of my own, learn to code and make my own Dwarf Fortress clone.

With black jacks, and hookers!
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Where_are_the_gnomes? on September 26, 2011, 06:19:48 am
NO! Dwarf fortress will remain in development by a countably small number of people (by which I mean countable on a hand) for all eternity!
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 26, 2011, 06:57:41 am
EA has a hyper-fast necrosis-causing touch to any game it gets the rights to.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: peskyninja on September 26, 2011, 08:54:21 am
if what the OP is saying happens :
(http://bodybyblair.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/gun-to-head.jpg)
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: HungryHobo on September 26, 2011, 09:35:08 am
EA games are just what you get when you design everything by committee.

EA runs a lot of focus groups, they do everything by the numbers and the problem with that can be summed up by the old henry ford quote.

"If I'd asked customers what they wanted, they would have said "a faster horse"."

they ask their existing customers what they want. their customers are the kind of people who buy fifa 2009, fifa 2010 and fifa 2011.

their customers just think of their favorite generic FPS and say "I's wan dat"

EA listens.

there's a similar problem in movies. Anyone here who reads Terry Pratchett will get this one about how the Mort movie hit the rocks:

'A production company was put together and there was US and Scandinavian and European involvement, and I wrote a couple of script drafts which wet down well and everything was looking fine and then the US people said 'Hey, we've been doing market research in Power Cable, Nebraska, and other centes of culture, and the Death/skeleton bit doesn't work for us, it's a bit of a downer, we have a prarm with it, so lose the skeleton". The rest of the consortium said, did you read the script? The Americans said: sure, we LOVE it, it's GREAT, it's HIGH CONCEPT. Just lose the Death angle, guys. Whereupon, I'm happy to say, they were told to keep on with the medication and come back in a hundred years.' -- Terry Pratchett


you can be sure that with XCOM and many other titles which EA has ruined some suit was put in charge of it and never once actually played the original game(though never admitted it).
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Stefrist on September 26, 2011, 09:45:25 am
I haven't read everything from this post, but the reference to Populous and what EA is doing with it..
Well.. ehm.. is http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/populous-syndicate-xcom.php actually serious?

I remember populous as a Hippy world builder and this is just strage..
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Ieb on September 26, 2011, 10:18:23 am
They should get Bioware on this too.
So we'd get that relationship thing which ends with little Urist being born right at the end credits.

And then the Fey mood hits your wife.
Cue DLC, which is a Pikmin-clone where you need to hunt materials for your wife or she DIES.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Uthric on September 26, 2011, 10:37:54 am
(http://i564.photobucket.com/albums/ss86/_ATLAN_/lava/Lava.gif)

Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Kastrol Aslaasri on September 26, 2011, 10:53:11 am
I remember the good old Ultima Online........ before EA. Good times.
And Lord of Ultima.... that is blasphemy (and not Sparta)
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 26, 2011, 10:54:43 am
I remember the good old Ultima Online........ before EA. Good times.
And Lord of Ultima.... that is blasphemy (and not Sparta)

I remember Lionhead... no wait that is microsoft...

I remember Bullfrog.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: ShadowBroker on September 26, 2011, 11:01:44 am
kind of raged at this, not gonna lie
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tibbz2 on September 26, 2011, 11:18:59 am
Yeah EA are the worst... They ruin EVERYTHING. Bastards.

I remember when the new NFS games used to actually be GOOD.

R.I.P NFS </3
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Makbeth on September 26, 2011, 01:56:12 pm
If EA got the rights, I'd never update again.

Weep, too. I'd definitely weep.

Then I'd probably rename elves to EA grunts and learn to play adventure mode.

Your summary sounds about right though, especially the part where you end with gold armor. Does it make sense? No. Would EA do it? Oh yeah.

If EA got the rights and you didn't update, and kept playing the old one, they'd probably sue you for piracy.  $20,000 for every stone you mined after acquisition.

The software titan Electronic Arts has come!  A huge blob composed of the reanimated corpses of former software companies.  Its hunger and greed are eternal.  It spouts nonsense and gibberish with its many mouths.  It moves its will in accordance with the opposite of the truth of things.
Beware its deadly lawyers!
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Matz05 on September 26, 2011, 02:12:57 pm
EA: Dumb it down and slap DRM on it!
 
EA: Pump and dump applied to game series!
 
EA: Buying out all the good games and ruining them worse then our original competitors!
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 26, 2011, 02:15:24 pm
EA: Dumb it down and slap DRM on it!
 
EA: Pump and dump applied to game series!
 
EA: Buying out all the good games and ruining them worse then our original competitors!

EA: Don't like it? Well too bad because the market sides with us. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Itnetlolor on September 26, 2011, 02:18:46 pm
EA: Dumb it down and slap DRM on it!
 
EA: Pump and dump applied to game series!
 
EA: Buying out all the good games and ruining them worse then our original competitors!

EA: Don't like it? Well too bad because the market sides with us. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!
EA: Nostalgia can go the way of the dodo. Nogo.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Willfor on September 26, 2011, 02:21:14 pm
If EA got the rights, I'd never update again.

Weep, too. I'd definitely weep.

Then I'd probably rename elves to EA grunts and learn to play adventure mode.

Your summary sounds about right though, especially the part where you end with gold armor. Does it make sense? No. Would EA do it? Oh yeah.

If EA got the rights and you didn't update, and kept playing the old one, they'd probably sue you for piracy.  $20,000 for every stone you mined after acquisition.

They cannot, they are not allowed to:

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*** COPYRIGHT INFORMATION ****************************

Copyright (c) 2002-2011.  All rights are retained by Tarn Adams, save the following:  you may redistribute the binary and accompanying files, unmodified, provided you do so free of charge.  If you'd like to distribute a modified version of the game or portion of the archive and are worried about copyright infringement, please contact Tarn Adams at toadyone@bay12games.com.

This software is still in development, and this means that there are going to be problems, including serious problems that, however unlikely, might damage your system or the information stored on it.  Please be aware of this before playing.

The underlined part of this quote is a right that Toady has given up, and as such, cannot take back except as part of a new license agreement -- one that has to be part of a new download.

We are downloading Dwarf Fortress under this software license, and as such, it cannot be rescinded. If they make their own version, and start releasing it under a new license, only their version will be under the new license. We would be entitled to continue distributing these versions of Dwarf Fortress amongst ourselves and with others provided we include everything as-is. EA wouldn't be able to say shit about it. Toady would likely have to stop distribution on his end as part of a non-compete clause though.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Makbeth on September 26, 2011, 02:28:46 pm
If EA got the rights, I'd never update again.

Weep, too. I'd definitely weep.

Then I'd probably rename elves to EA grunts and learn to play adventure mode.

Your summary sounds about right though, especially the part where you end with gold armor. Does it make sense? No. Would EA do it? Oh yeah.

If EA got the rights and you didn't update, and kept playing the old one, they'd probably sue you for piracy.  $20,000 for every stone you mined after acquisition.

They cannot, they are not allowed to:

Quote
*** COPYRIGHT INFORMATION ****************************

Copyright (c) 2002-2011.  All rights are retained by Tarn Adams, save the following:  you may redistribute the binary and accompanying files, unmodified, provided you do so free of charge.  If you'd like to distribute a modified version of the game or portion of the archive and are worried about copyright infringement, please contact Tarn Adams at toadyone@bay12games.com.

This software is still in development, and this means that there are going to be problems, including serious problems that, however unlikely, might damage your system or the information stored on it.  Please be aware of this before playing.

The underlined part of this quote is a right that Toady has given up, and as such, cannot take back except as part of a new license agreement -- one that has to be part of a new download.

We are downloading Dwarf Fortress under this software license, and as such, it cannot be rescinded. If they make their own version, and start releasing it under a new license, only their version will be under the new license. We would be entitled to continue distributing these versions of Dwarf Fortress amongst ourselves and with others provided we include everything as-is. EA wouldn't be able to say shit about it. Toady would likely have to stop distribution on his end as part of a non-compete clause though.

Yeah, it was a joke.  Besides, EA probably has a daily power tucked away somewhere where they can expend a standard action to rewrite the laws.

"By continuing to use the alpha of Dwarf Fortress (TM), you agree to the updated terms and conditions found at www.ea.com/FU.htm".


Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Willfor on September 26, 2011, 02:35:29 pm
Yeah, it was a joke.  Besides, EA probably has a daily power tucked away somewhere where they can expend a standard action to rewrite the laws.

"By continuing to use the alpha of Dwarf Fortress (TM), you agree to the updated terms and conditions found at www.ea.com/FU.htm".

Edit: Is there a way to not hyperlink a piece of text in the url format?  I thought it wouldn't make an active link without a URL tag.
Place a formatting tag opening and closing in the middle of it.

Code: [Select]
www[i][/i].ea.com/FU.htm
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Makbeth on September 26, 2011, 02:51:25 pm
Yeah, it was a joke.  Besides, EA probably has a daily power tucked away somewhere where they can expend a standard action to rewrite the laws.

"By continuing to use the alpha of Dwarf Fortress (TM), you agree to the updated terms and conditions found at www.ea.com/FU.htm".

Edit: Is there a way to not hyperlink a piece of text in the url format?  I thought it wouldn't make an active link without a URL tag.
Place a formatting tag opening and closing in the middle of it.

Code: [Select]
www[i][/i].ea.com/FU.htm

Thanks.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Deimos56 on September 26, 2011, 03:11:18 pm
I remember the good old Ultima Online........ before EA. Good times.
And Lord of Ultima.... that is blasphemy (and not Sparta)
Regrettably, my only experience with Ultima comes from borrowing IX from a library...
...It's nice to hear it was a good series at some point before that. [shudder]

I haven't read everything from this post, but the reference to Populous and what EA is doing with it..
Well.. ehm.. is http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news/populous-syndicate-xcom.php actually serious?

I remember populous as a Hippy world builder and this is just strage..
I assure you, this is not true. Do not panic. Note that that is one of the only places on the internet where the name of that "game" even comes up.

That all said, while EA does occasionally make a good game... the potentially good games they manage to butcher outnumber them by quite a bit.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Teneb on September 26, 2011, 04:48:30 pm
More specificly, they make a good game, then butcher it up and release that as a sequel.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: GTM on September 27, 2011, 12:45:23 am
I really got a kick out of this post, particularly this excerpt:

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"I always loved the detailed geology in the original game. That is why each gem has an element associated with it for a temporary stat boost."

It's the "because we know you love X, we are going to completely miss the point and do the opposite" that makes the satire brilliant here.  Truly a post for the ages.

On a separate note, it's interesting that Ultima came up, since the whole series is peppered with anti-EA Easter eggs, especially #7, which was an entire game about how evil EA is, and it was made all the way back in 1992.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Brackev on September 27, 2011, 10:15:40 am
I thought they would make a RTS with no building elements but you would see in a FPS view.  Oh wait, that was that rock and roll game that everyone hated...
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 27, 2011, 10:30:46 am
Well don't forget the Ultima series predicted EA's take over of Ultima Online years before it actually happened.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Putnam on September 27, 2011, 06:57:46 pm
I thought they would make a RTS with no building elements but you would see in a FPS view.  Oh wait, that was that rock and roll game that everyone hated...

1. That game is good
2. That game is activision
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tlc2011 on September 27, 2011, 09:03:36 pm
Well, on one hand, there's all the bad games EA has.
On the OTHER hand, there's The Sims [which has gone downstream and is slowly being turned into a bad game] and Spore, and the first Harry Potter games.

There's probably a few more good games EA has, but i haven't heard of them/can't remember them
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 27, 2011, 09:38:43 pm
Well, on one hand, there's all the bad games EA has.
On the OTHER hand, there's The Sims [which has gone downstream and is slowly being turned into a bad game] and Spore, and the first Harry Potter games.

There's probably a few more good games EA has, but i haven't heard of them/can't remember them

Ehhh even Spore at its best floated at the boarder of good and blaw. (it suffered from not doing anything too well and its space stage being rather annoying to use with no ability to quickly backtrack for the 10000 emergencies your bound to have when your exploring)

Ahh yes Harry Potter... The first few ones were good in that they were more about you being in the school... and less about you shooting your way through the movies. I am still waiting for a new harry potter game where you just play a student.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Alastar on September 28, 2011, 01:22:11 pm
Wait wait wait, are we counting Spore as something good? Evil! Vile! Betrayal! Magma is too good for them!!!
Spore looked like it might become something truly great... SimEverything in the finest Maxis tradition, with 15 years of progress in game design and technology. With 15 years of progress in consumer focus, we got a collection of idiotic minigames and a cock construction kit.

*

Anyway, Ultima7 was amazing despite the generous helpings of cheese (and cheesecake). Still very much worth playing, arguably still the best story-driven RPG.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Raging Mouse on September 28, 2011, 01:33:51 pm
Well, on one hand, there's all the bad games EA has.
On the OTHER hand, there's The Sims [which has gone downstream and is slowly being turned into a bad game] and Spore, and the first Harry Potter games.

There's probably a few more good games EA has, but i haven't heard of them/can't remember them

Spore is an okay game if you ignore that it was spearheaded by Will Wright. Factor that in, however, and it was a soul-rending disappointment.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: janglur on September 28, 2011, 01:50:19 pm
Spore The Sims The EA Ultima Series SimCiy 4 (Everything EA released since 2006) was a game that offered absolute boundless content, freedom, and a vastly different experience every play.  What you got was a nebulously aimless and goalless game that became repetitive faster than Bop-It and thrice as obnoxious, with absolutely no sense of accomplishment, satisfaction, or achievement whatsoever as a result of it's absurdly simplified gameplay and total lack of challenge.

Everything else is either a slightly graphically tweaked rehash of the game of the same title from last year, which is a rehash of last year, which is a rehash of last year, ad nauseum.

With the exception of the vaguely familiar but grotesquely underdeveloped storyline set in yet another vaguely familiar and grotesquely overused universe concept whose only difference between each unwanted sequel is yet another cutting-edge powerhog graphics engine that, by this point, is the sole driving influence behind the graphics card industry as a whole, with absolutely NO new content to speak of and a story that only rudimentarily differentiates itself from it's predecessor.  Nevermind that similar or greater graphical quality is offered by studios with less than a tenth the prestige and staff, while consuming half the resources, and far more likely releasing a genuinely original product.  Until EA inevitably gobbles them up like The Blob and condemns them to join the ranks of every other washed-out former-glory company they've sucked dry and butchered with endless failed reanimation projects seemingly cooked up by a retarded monkey with a CoD obsession.

And that's not even touching on their non-gaming business practices, and how they're factually and notoriously the worst paying publisher in the world for their hour-to-project ratio, how they set unreasonably short deadlines and utterly fail to employ even a skeleton crew of bugtesters, patchers, or post-release production staff.  Or the extremely questionable corporate behavior they engage in with their Pokemon-esque trading of namebrand officials who honestly contribute less to their employers' and projects' development than the janitor they've hired illegally to clean up the brain matter suicide programmers leave scattered around.

I wish I knew a way to just organize the whole of the gaming community to march on EA's front lawn and simultaneously all take a large, steaming shit on their lawn, and the promptly leave after planting a sign that said, "We've pre-released all your games for the next decade.  Enjoy."
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Angel Of Death on September 28, 2011, 02:08:01 pm
Pokemon-esque trading of namebrand officials

Did anybody else think "A wild Gates has appeared! Steve Jobs, I choose you! The Gates uses BSOD. Critical hit! Your Steve has fainted!" after seeing that?

No?
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 28, 2011, 02:13:07 pm
The Sims is sort of in an interesting spot

While by all means The Sims 3 has made AMAZING improvements to the game and some of its changes are long overdue.

On the other hand it sort of lost a lot of its charm and felt rather bare. It has items that have no use nor are they really different from anything else (I am not against collectibles... by all means previous Sims had it, for example some objects could only be obtained by guests, but the fact that you can't do anything with them and you can't put them in a good display leaves something to be desired.

By all means I am excited for the next The Sims game and the fact that they chose to actually update The Sims instead of "The same but different" can be a plus.

The Sims series isn't one I'd consider to be soul crushed by EA unless you look at the Expansions and the glitches/lack-o-patches
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: janglur on September 28, 2011, 02:38:23 pm
The Sims series isn't one I'd consider to be soul crushed by EA unless you look at the Expansions and the glitches/lack-o-patches


And I do.

Furthermore, I consider selling overpriced expansion packs that barely add any new content, and are actually just patches anyway, to be the equivalent in gaming as shitting your pants in public is socially.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 28, 2011, 02:51:15 pm
To be fair if we do look at the expansions and the fact that they often release the next expansion while still having game crippling bugs from, the previous expansion... its horrible. I don't mind the price of their expansions and how many they release, I do mind the amount of HORRIBLE bugs and glitches released with them that are often never fixed.

As well its downloadable content is insanely overpriced and getting more expencive.

It would make EA nearly the satan of expansions and Downloadable content.

However if we take JUST "The Sims 3" and close our eyes, plug our ears, and yell "la la la la la" it isn't so bad.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: janglur on September 28, 2011, 02:56:44 pm
Agreed.


Now don't get me wrong, I used to be a pretty hardcore EA fan.  Back in the days of Genesis, they rocked the boat nonstop, and I owned (and still do) a huge reportoire of their best and worst games, and more often than not, they were incredibly fun.  I still play them.  Back then, they weren't afraid to actually innovate.  Anyone remember the Mutant League series?  Best multiplayer hockey game EVER.

http://youtu.be/h_Sx-nGmMok

But now, the only 'innovation' you can expect in ANY and EVERY sports title is a year spent cataloguing the looks of some celebrity athlete noone actually gives a shit about playing.  They should focus more on gameplay, and mixing it up, than just releasing the same shit with different players every single fucking year.

Ah, how I miss the old days.  King's Bounty, you own more of my life's time than college.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 28, 2011, 03:04:28 pm
No I understand

EA back in its peak was awsome! They could do no wrong.

Heck Capcom is heading into the "zone of sucking too" and just like EA they are currently in their phase where they are being defended against (Capcom hasn't reached the point where even its fans will outright state they have problems).
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Vherid on September 28, 2011, 06:43:08 pm
I want to kill someone now.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: janglur on September 28, 2011, 07:01:01 pm
That's a typical urge after EA.  Or DF for that matter.

Take two magma and call me in the morning.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 29, 2011, 06:40:01 am
Though my problem with this Satire is that for the most part... It doesn't seem like it is about Dwarf Fortress... it is like you just chose another game and called it Dwarf Fortress.

(http://proselyytti.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/thats_the_joke.jpg)
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Angel Of Death on September 29, 2011, 07:42:14 am
Heck Capcom is heading into the "zone of sucking too" and just like EA they are currently in their phase where they are being defended against (Capcom hasn't reached the point where even its fans will outright state they have problems).
Yeah... I miss the days when Resident Evil was actually Resident Evil... Not a quarter-arsed action/slightly arcadey game.

Anyway, this was pretty funny.

Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Therolyn on September 29, 2011, 07:49:44 am
Meh, there's worse out there. Although I will admit the (non-graphics) quality was better in the past.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tiny on September 29, 2011, 04:45:14 pm
If EA got the rights to DF then I guess Tarn would have to dead or something.

The loss of Our Mighty Leader would be worse than anything EA could do after that.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Angel Of Death on September 30, 2011, 03:21:28 am
The loss of Our Mighty Leader would be worse than anything EA could do after that.
I would come up with a cunning plan to destroy EA!

In a dark time... The Gamer Crimesquad was born.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: FoiledFencer on September 30, 2011, 03:51:56 am
I would probably cry. Leaving Dwarf Fortress in permanent development hell would be better than allowing EA to slowly suck out the life force from it.

EA used to be good, but these days they run everything by formula and market-analysis. Without daring to stray from the polls, you won't get innovation - you'll get the big-budget-game from last year with updated graphics.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Alastar on September 30, 2011, 04:15:43 am
But big budget spectacle isn't financially feasible unless you can sell the product to the unwashed masses. And in a industry moving this rapidly, the good name of a series is just another resource to be exploited.

As long as we buy overmarketed unimaginative glossed-up junk, we'll get more of the same. Games suck because gamers suck.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: FoiledFencer on September 30, 2011, 04:29:44 am
But big budget spectacle isn't financially feasible unless you can sell the product to the unwashed masses. And in a industry moving this rapidly, the good name of a series is just another resource to be exploited.

As long as we buy overmarketed unimaginative glossed-up junk, we'll get more of the same. Games suck because gamers suck.

Or rather, the fans get the games they deserve to have.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Jelle on September 30, 2011, 05:18:21 am
If EA had the rights to dwarf fortress the focus of developement would turn to graphics, wich would mean all important ui features that are deemed to complicated get hidden behind shiny graphics.
After this the game features would be streamlined, or in other words anything then isn't easy to use or poses significant challenge to the player will be scrapped.
At this point DF would be shiny graphics with no game features as all of them have been scrapped. From this point on new features would be implementned more in line with the casual player EA mentality.
When the game would be finished, it would have no resemblence with DF as it is now except for the fact that it's about dwarves who mine and build stuff.

In other words, I shudder to think about it.  :-X


And yeah, I really miss the old Resident Evil games as well. After playing 5 I just had the urge to erase the memory by playing through the original Resident Evil. Man that game was good.
I'd almost think the story and characters were purposely designed to be daft and retarded so that any idiot looking to shoot shit can relate to the incredibly simple characters and plot.
God they raped Chris Redfield so bad, but I guess there was something funny about having him appear with thrice the biceps size and only half the brain then how I knew him, in a very sad way.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Gatleos on September 30, 2011, 07:02:07 am
I think this sums up EA rather nicely. (http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2008/05/31/31-ea/)
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Grimlocke on September 30, 2011, 07:36:31 am
I wish I knew a way to just organize the whole of the gaming community to march on EA's front lawn and simultaneously all take a large, steaming shit on their lawn, and the promptly leave after planting a sign that said, "We've pre-released all your games for the next decade.  Enjoy."

*applauds*

Also a lot more doable than my many magma-involving plans.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on September 30, 2011, 08:23:37 am
I think this sums up EA rather nicely. (http://brawlinthefamily.keenspot.com/2008/05/31/31-ea/)

Ohh Keenspot I forgot all about you. Shame Keentoons is in such bad shape... what with the lost episodes and most of the writers leaving before finishing their series.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Urist McDagger on September 30, 2011, 11:20:34 pm
EA's newest hit Dwarf Fortress: Retribution takes the popular franchise into a bold new direction. Abandoning the ASCII in favor of state-of-the-art graphics, this immersive game presents Dwarf Fortress as it was always meant to be played.

"I have always been an avid fan of Dwarf Fortress, and I'm proud to finally make it into a game that is as accessible to new players as it is for the veterans." says John Thompson from the EA marketing division. "From the first person perspective you get a perfect view to the dark, claustrophobic mines where the goblins and demons are waiting for you behind each corner."

The damage system is more streamlined, while keeping the classic splints and crutches as health pickups. The accurate bodypart-centric damage is also there, and in boss fights like the dragon you must first destroy its claws before getting a chance to strike its heart. Dwarf Fortress boasts over a dozen different weapons and an unique crafting system for upgrading them for either speed, damage or accuracy. "I always loved the detailed geology in the original game. That is why each gem has an element associated with it for a temporary stat boost."

While the plot of Dwarf Fotress: Retribution is still a secret, the pre-release cutscenes have given some insights into the new world EA has created. You take on the role of Ulrich the dwarf, and with the aid of the beautiful elven sorceress Cacame you are sent down to the deepest mines to assault the gobling fortress. Ulrich is betrayed by his commander and he discovers a great secret threatening the fate of the world itself.

The Dwarf Fortress has indeed come a long way from its humble origins and matured into a full-fledged fantasy shooter. Fast-paced combat and the dark setting are sure to make this a must-have for fantasy gamers and hardcore online gamers alike.

Details:
-Three levels raging from mines and underground caverns to the massive dark fortress
-Collect the mysterious adamantium to increase your stats and gain new abilities
-Buy new armors, ranging from rope reed clothes to golden plate mail
-5 boss fights against the most imaginative monsters ever created
-Five different weapons with three upgrades each
-Helpful support characters with healing spells and offensive magic
-12 player multiplayer with modes like deathmatch arena and mine flags

.. It wouldn't be so scary if it weren't exactly what would happen. O.o
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: moocowmoo on September 30, 2011, 11:34:22 pm
Made me laugh out loud, good job.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: BeforeLifer on October 01, 2011, 12:31:32 am
Dont yell at me if that been said so far, but if EA got DF then they would money whore the LIVING HELL out of it. Hell thats what they are doing with BattleField 3 ATM
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: optimumtact on October 01, 2011, 07:37:41 am
Dont yell at me if that been said so far, but if EA got DF then they would money whore the LIVING HELL out of it. Hell thats what they are doing with BattleField 3 ATM

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain what you mean by that? Do you feel that Battlefield 3 is something of a deviation away from BattleField 2?
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tharwen on October 01, 2011, 05:28:54 pm
Dont yell at me if that been said so far, but if EA got DF then they would money whore the LIVING HELL out of it. Hell thats what they are doing with BattleField 3 ATM

Perhaps you would be so kind as to explain what you mean by that? Do you feel that Battlefield 3 is something of a deviation away from BattleField 2?

I just uninstalled the beta and cancelled my preorder, mainly because it seems to be far more focussed on doing well on your own than as a squad, unlike in previous games.

Two major changes that I think affect this the most:

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.
2. There's no medic. The medic was previously one of the core components of squad-based gameplay, and now healing is largely irrelevant (because you die almost instantly anyway) and reviving is just another way to get points for yourself.

EDIT: Also, the guns feel inaccurate and powerless. Maybe ranking up would solve that, but I don't want to.
Also, bugs. Beta, yes, but bugs. Bugs everywhere.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on October 01, 2011, 07:06:31 pm
I don't think Dwarf Fortress is renown enough for EA to REALLY Cash Cow it so straight forwardly.

Then again... can I really say that X-com is that well known?
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Oliolli on October 01, 2011, 11:51:21 pm
1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside? "Die very quickly" is a good thing in games if you ask me. Look at Red Orchestra (either one) for instance, it requires luck and a poor shot from the enemy so you DON'T die right away. Compare to, say, Call of Duty. Get shot with a 7.62x51 mm round in the chest, and keep going like nothing happened.

I don't think Dwarf Fortress is renown enough for EA to REALLY Cash Cow it so straight forwardly.

EA is known well-enough. And they would be able to market it insanely.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: quip on October 02, 2011, 02:41:17 am
Watching.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: KhaaL on October 02, 2011, 03:17:46 am

Two major changes that I think affect this the most:

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.
2. There's no medic. The medic was previously one of the core components of squad-based gameplay, and now healing is largely irrelevant (because you die almost instantly anyway) and reviving is just another way to get points for yourself.


Not to defend EA or put this thread off topic, but you should get your facts straight. Medic is still in, in "assault" kit now. One good thing about BF3 is that snipers scope give reflections that gives them away. I applaud them for that.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 02, 2011, 03:38:19 am
KhaaL, this thread hardly has a topic. It's a vessel for a joke about EA's habits that has been derailed into serious discussion.

Anyway.

Dying quickly is a bad thing because it makes medics less useful, I would assume. If it's all across the board, it cheapens the benefits of seeking headshots instead of bodyshots, meaning the missed shots from spread aren't worth it so you should just spam bullets center-of-mass.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Lord Braindead on October 02, 2011, 04:12:03 am
so you should just spam bullets center-of-mass.

Which is exactly what every real soldier is teached to do because it is the most effective way to kill or at least seriously wound someone.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Pandarsenic on October 02, 2011, 05:06:21 am
Yeah.

I prefer fun to realism in my games. When they're compatible? Great! That's wonderful! Pile on both.

When they conflict, I'll take the fun every time.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tharwen on October 02, 2011, 05:14:50 am

Two major changes that I think affect this the most:

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.
2. There's no medic. The medic was previously one of the core components of squad-based gameplay, and now healing is largely irrelevant (because you die almost instantly anyway) and reviving is just another way to get points for yourself.


Not to defend EA or put this thread off topic, but you should get your facts straight. Medic is still in, in "assault" kit now.

I know that. I've been obsessively following the game for months now.

I meant that healing has just been shoved off to the side somewhat, and doesn't really have a place any more. The 'bullets-kill-quickly' thing makes healing useless, as Pandarsenic said.

1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside?

It means whoever gets the first shot off wins, and there's no time to beat them by being better at shooting. I think a major issue for me was that (either through bugs or lag), the hit markers often weren't showing up at all and I had no chance to react.

I still think the game was quite fun; I just don't want to spend £25 on a pre-order any more.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Oliolli on October 02, 2011, 08:04:34 am
1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside?

It means whoever gets the first shot off wins, and there's no time to beat them by being better at shooting.

Compare to Red Orchestra: Half the time you don't know where you were shot from, and aroun 30% of the time you spend a life without even seeing a single enemy.

Also, it seems that aim isn't nearly as important as reflexes in BF3 then. But there is one thing that will beat both: tactics. You can not kill what you can not see.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tharwen on October 02, 2011, 10:46:50 am
1. You die very quickly. Most of the times I was killed while playing today, I didn't even have time to see the red hit marker come up.

Since when is this a downside?

It means whoever gets the first shot off wins, and there's no time to beat them by being better at shooting.

Compare to Red Orchestra: Half the time you don't know where you were shot from, and aroun 30% of the time you spend a life without even seeing a single enemy.

Also, it seems that aim isn't nearly as important as reflexes in BF3 then. But there is one thing that will beat both: tactics. You can not kill what you can not see.

True. I'm not so good at that bit... In my defence though, the Beta map is very linear.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: darkrider2 on October 02, 2011, 12:51:16 pm
[emote]rage at EA for ruining everything they touch[/emote]
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: zehive on October 03, 2011, 06:06:28 am
What can we say?  EA has ruined everything they've ever gotten their hands on, and haven't put a decent game out since roughly 1998.
EA is where game companies (and games) go to die.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Released in 2006. It and its predecessors are literally the ONLY EA games that I like in any capacity, the newer ones I feel are just buggy garbage. Medieval 2 stock I've played more then any other game.

everything else is garbage. I might concede on the original sims and up to sim city 4, since those aren't trash either.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tharwen on October 03, 2011, 07:03:57 am
What can we say?  EA has ruined everything they've ever gotten their hands on, and haven't put a decent game out since roughly 1998.
EA is where game companies (and games) go to die.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Released in 2006. It and its predecessors are literally the ONLY EA games that I like in any capacity, the newer ones I feel are just buggy garbage. Medieval 2 stock I've played more then any other game.

everything else is garbage. I might concede on the original sims and up to sim city 4, since those aren't trash either.

Wait... that was EA?

The Total War series gets around a bit, doesn't it?
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: zehive on October 03, 2011, 07:12:54 am
Well, it was dev'd by Creative Assembly who worked with EA mostly for distribution... but EA had anything to do with it whatsoever which is what I blame all the bugs on
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Tharwen on October 03, 2011, 08:44:06 am
I'd also like to add Mass Effect and SSX Tricky to your list of good EA games.
Title: Re: What if EA got the rights to Dwarf Fortress...
Post by: Neonivek on October 03, 2011, 08:52:10 am
I just saw a old game that was actually outright praising EA.

What is hillarious was that at the time... it was by all means justified. It was back when EA rocked and was practically made of creative gold!

But now it comes off as almost a hillarious Satire.