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Title: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on October 01, 2009, 10:37:29 am
(https://dwarffortresswiki.org/images/8/8f/Tholtig.jpg)
-courtesy of burningpet-


Spoiler: A Humble Offering (click to show/hide)

I decided to post this here after others asked me to, and because it chronicles truly rare greatness within Legends Mode. Stories like this are the chief reason why Legends Mode should be improved to allow easier browsing - they epitomize the awesome possibilities hidden under the overload of names and dates.

There is now a wiki page devoted to Tholtig (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Tholtig).

At the very minimum, at least check out her kill count.

Some of what others have written:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What do you think?

***

This is the tragic but inspiring legend of Tholtig Momuzidek Lelumdoren, "Tholtig Cryptbrain the Waning Diamonds," and the bloody century and a half-long war with the elves that she was born into and died within. It is long, for it chronicles the epic of an entire dwarf civilization, but there is a screenshot at the end that summarizes her greatness.

I discovered her story while I was browsing legends mode tracing the many wars of the era (I was looking for a world with a long history and interesting events to engrave, and had therefore increased the size of megabeasts from 20 to 70, except for hydras, which I increased to 140) and happened to notice her name appear over and over, throughout the decades.

She was the fifth and last ruler of the dwarven cilization known as the Bronze Orbs, and ruled the mountainhome of Circletower.

Her grandfather Meng Emetmistem Tirdugzodost Urrith, "Meng Freshportal the Brutal Rot of Scarring," had been the first of their line to rule Circletower, after the previous queen, only daughter of the first ruler since time immemorial, had died childless, slain by a titan after ruling for only less than a year. Meng had earned the throne after he himself stepped up to duel with the titan, driving it off but receiving a heavy wound to his lower body in the process.
It was Meng who had started the war with the elves, incensed over their devouring of sentient beings. In the year 81 he led ten of his best dwarves against fifteen of the elves of the Steamy Winds, slaying five of them in exchange for two of his comrades. Several dwarves who would go on to earn fame and honor earned their first kills in that first conflict, among them Goden Leafybridges the Talon of Shooting (294 kills, the elder, dispossessed son of the first ruler of Circletower), his wife Tosid Stockadefortunes the Lined Friend (146 kills), and Goden Routedgates the Jade Planes of Braving (23 kills).

However, Meng had picked as his foe a powerful elf civ on the rise. During the same years as they fought with the dwarves, the Steamy Winds declared war on the humans and a goblin tyranny ruled by a demon - it was a world war of unimaginable scale. Cities and forest retreats were stained with the blood of literally tens of thousands of the dead, settlements were razed repeatedly by both sides as they fought over them, and the fortunes of empires often turned on a single battle. By the end of it all, over 250 years later, the great elven forest that once stretched across the map was reduced to scattered outposts, but this was long after the passing of Meng and his daughters.

Meng died forty years after claiming the throne in 113, and the skulls of 91 elves decorate the mausoleum where he was laid to rest. He had outlived all but one of his children, the rest having been slain (but thankfully not devoured) by elves. 
The only survivor, Metthos Rodercatten Notlith Am, "Metthos Baldedchanneled the Ruin of Speaking," (101 kills) ruled for only seven years before her death leading the Bronze Orbs to victory against a force of elves that outnumbered the dwarves more than 6 to 1, leaving the throne to her only daughter, the aforementioned Tholtig, who had just turned 30. There had been no other children because Metthos's husband had been slain by elves two years after Tholtig's birth.

The odds would only get worse after her death.

As soon as she could raise a hammer at the age of twelve, Tholtig had joined her parents and grandparents on the battlefield. The dwarves had no choice, for their losses were so great that they needed every pair of hammer-wielding arms they could find. By the time she ascended the throne in 121, she had slain 48 elves and a cyclops, but the amount of dwarves left capable of wielding a weapon numbered less than ten. Nonetheless, she led them to victory in her first assault against the elves, but it was a Pyrrhic victory that saw the deaths of two of her children, including her eldest son.

The war saw the rise of numerous heroes and their offspring: among them Alath Pageplaited the Circular Tongs (60 kills, slain by a hydra in 103), Olon Orblabors the Fenced Sandal of Shadow (Alath's brother, 118 kills, became a diplomat halfway through the war and stopped going to battle), Unib Lancemet the Way of Boiling (the sister of Alath and Olon, 8 kills, slain by an elven arrow), and Mafol Drilledhammer the Violence of Forests (Son of Tholtig, with a mere 5 kills before death by an arrow) Many elf heroes of the wars with the humans and goblins, flouting long titles earned by the lives they had ended, themselves met their end at the hands of Tholtig or her brothers and sisters in arms. A typical battle might see 281 elves arrayed against a mere 4 dwarves, only for 96 elves to perish with all 4 dwarves surviving, yet this continued year after year. There was an elf leader who met each of the dwarf heroes in battle multiple times for eight years and escaped, before Tholtig finally killed him in their third duel. However, as time passed, the elves only grew more numerous, while the dwarves, their numbers decimated by constant warfare and their children dying without offspring, only grew closer to ultimate defeat.

Tholtig married Logem Uthmikmelbil Gosterudosiddor, "Logem Shaketomes the Hoary Men-larks," son of the heroes Leafybridges and Stockadefortunes from the first battle between the dwarves and elves and brother of Alath, Olon, and Unib. Unlike previous rulers of the Bronze Orbs, Tholtig and her husband had many children, numbering ten in all. However, fate was against the Bronze Orbs: eight of her children died at tender ages shortly after taking up arms against the elves, and even the two who survived the wars met misfortune elsewhere. Her youngest daughter, Urist Joinedrings the Permanent Scars, who had slain 176 elves and survived countless battles, was slain by a hydra, but most tragically of all, Tholtig's eldest daughter and heir, Erush Racktoned the Rough Miseries of Quiescence, was slain at the age of 90, having slain 1007 elves, by the same titan that her great-grandfather King Meng had driven off to claim his throne, which had suddenly returned 100 years later to plague the Bronze Orbs.

However, time was a foe that even legendary force of arms could not overcome. In 200, five years after Tholtig mourned the passing of her heir, an adventurer slew that same hydra that took the life of Tholtig's youngest daughter and brought an end to the Age of Legends. By then, only three dwarves remained to defend Circletower: Tholtig, her husband Logem, and Obok Willbolt the Drinks of Ruining (a venerable dwarf, great-grandson of the heroes Goden and Tosid, who had witnessed the rise of Tholtig's grandfather and the beginning of the war a century ago and amassed 1654 trophies), along with of course the diplomat Olon, who by then must have been regretting the pacifism had cost him equal glory.

Lacking children to carry on and therefore hope, the remaining dwarves slowly slipped away, Obok in 227, Logem in 237, and finally Olon the diplomat in 242. For nearly ten years, from 237 onwards, Tholtig defended her ancestral home of Circletower alone. Each of these years year saw one hundred or more elves lay siege to the empty halls where Tholtig's entire clan lay sleeping, only to be driven back in bloody defeat. Alone she stood, hammer in hand, the only force between her home and fiery conquest. Despite the injustice of fate that had taken away her children and the inevitability of defeat, she held her ground until at last in 246 when old age struck her down, something no mortal weapon could have aspired to. And so fell the last dwarf of the Bronze Orbs - and with Tholtig's death ended their entire civilization and history.
Tholtig had lived for one hundred and fifty-six years, all of which had seen no peace for her, and outlived all of her children, her friends, and her husband. Logem, the second-to last of the dwarves to pass on, had died with 1955 kills. To give an idea of how many Tholtig had killed, it took one minute and thirteen seconds to scroll from the top of her entry to the bottom.

The Kills of Tholtig Cryptbrain the Waning Diamonds, Last Queen of the Bronze Orbs and Ruler of Circletower:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

***

I imagine that Tholtig considered her final end glorious, for she did not die an ignominious death, or fade away at the end of an age, but passed on at the height of her glory in the midst of war, hammer in hand, bringing down with her a great elven civilization, all the while proving her invincibility. So passed the last dwarf from the world.

Commentary:
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Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Goron on October 01, 2009, 11:18:06 am
Stories like this are the chief reason why Legends Mode should be improved to allow easier browsing - they epitomize the awesome possibilities hidden under the overload of names and dates.
I have tried going into Legends many time.
I have failed using Legends mode many times.
I have trouble understanding what the heck is going on-
but after reading your history of Tholtig I went into Legends in one of my worlds to see if I could figure out how you made Legends Mode into a kickass story. I failed again.

Opening Legends up to better controls and navigation would be so cool (so dumbos like me can use it at all). Based on your commentary it seems navigating is very difficult even when focusing on a 'single topic' (like a family line).

But at the same time we must not discredit your skill and creativity of filling words in the blanks between the numbers. Even with a much more accessible Legends Mode not everyone will be able to craft wonderful tales from the base information like you did.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Armok on October 01, 2009, 12:09:20 pm
Beyond Quality,
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: tefalo on October 01, 2009, 02:50:18 pm
The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory: The Movie

Now this would be epic. A little sad ending perhaps, but that's how epics usually are. Or something. It would easily topple lotr. xD
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: RavingManiac on October 03, 2009, 09:03:56 am
You must post the worldgen parameters. Someone has to stop worldgen the year before her death, and create an adventurer to meet her. Dwarf Companion can then be used to check her stats, which will no doubt be incredible.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Armok on October 03, 2009, 10:04:25 am
You must post the worldgen parameters. Someone has to stop worldgen the year before her death, and create an adventurer to meet her. Dwarf Companion can then be used to check her stats, which will no doubt be incredible.
Seconded.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on October 03, 2009, 10:45:21 am
Alas, I've tried to regen the world myself, but I can't get it to actually gen a world. This problem is confounded by the fact that I had been testing megabeast sizes to try to lengthen world gen and I had changed what I modded before I realized it affected world gen.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: kilakan on October 03, 2009, 12:08:27 pm
NOOOOOOo damn you and your modding, anyways that is freaking epic, and doesn't it just prove how weak and worthless elves are in combat?  Then again dwarves could be just that great.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Dwarfu on October 03, 2009, 12:33:50 pm
This is fantastic.

It is a tribute to the game devs to have such histories in world before you even begin to play, giving just enough detail to let your imagination run wild.

I once had a cyclops pluck out the eye of an elf maiden.  She eventually became the leader of her people and lived on for at least another 1000 years.  I reasoned he did it to make her more like him, to gain understanding.  She, with this new vision of the world, became wiser.  After that encounter, the cyclops never again assailed those elves.  I can imagine the stories in human port towns of the one-eyed elf witch...
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Tarbourite on October 03, 2009, 08:23:38 pm
Fantastic story.
I myself have spent way to much time just going over the legends of dozens of different world gens.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: James.Denholm on October 08, 2009, 03:10:05 am
That... That is the Boatmurdered of the Legends. I imagine that she would have gone mad by the end, as the images and memories of war consume her mind, and as wave after wave of elves smash uselessly against the cliff that was Circletower.

Though I'm surprised that she and Logen didn't have more kids after the last heir died.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: shadowclasper on October 08, 2009, 03:37:51 am
Wow... damn man. I hope Obok can aspire to be HALF as bad ass as she was.

I think this demands a D for Dwarf page on the wiki and art. I'm gonna get on that, anyone else wish to help me?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on October 08, 2009, 07:13:30 am
What would I have to do?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: RedWarrior0 on October 23, 2009, 10:16:26 pm
 :o
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Barrel Roll on October 25, 2009, 01:41:05 am
This story is absolutely amazing. Your telling of the tale and its history was perfect. I know Legends is on the serious backburner of things to do but the amount of potential is limitless. I would love to have an epic tale such as this one but all of my world gens are boring.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Nexii Malthus on October 25, 2009, 01:57:51 am
Wow, impressive story. Really drives your imagination wild.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on October 25, 2009, 02:05:37 am
Thanks, and thanks to the procedural generator! I finally made a wiki page:
http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Tholtig

When writing the wiki page, I ran through the family connections once again, and picked up something I'd missed. It turns out that one of the heroes in the first war, Goden Leafybridges, was the eldest son of the first ruler of the Bronze Orbs, but had been overlooked in favor of the youngest child, whose line quickly died out. One of his sons was Tholtig's husband. Thus, Tholtig actually married into the line of the original royal family, possibly as a means to both cement her line's legitimacy and further unite the dwarves - by the end of the war, it looks like all the heroes were members of the same clan.

It also means that Obok Willbolt, the third-to-last dwarf to die before Tholtig and her husband, was actually Tholtig's grandnephew.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: ricemastah on October 25, 2009, 02:12:54 am
Things like this happening. That's why I play DF, and that's why I tell everyone I know to play.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: danielout on November 01, 2009, 03:37:04 pm
danielout cancels Lurk: Thread too epic

Absolutely fantastic. Thanks for taking the time to turn it in to such an enjoyable read as well. Really excellently done.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: KenboCalrissian on November 01, 2009, 11:43:31 pm
Wow.  I need to pay more attention to Legends mode from now on... that is something else.  Thanks for sharing this!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Danarca on November 02, 2009, 03:43:47 pm
That's simply amazing..
And I agree with tefalo, this would make an incredible story if animated, heck, even if novelized!
The pure badassery.. My God..
It's.. Beautiful...
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Haspen on November 02, 2009, 04:48:21 pm
It's me again, just to say again that this is Epic.

Sadly, I don't have time to make a cave dedicated for her (10z all engraved cave with natural, engraved pillars, with magma pool and a masterwork adamantine statue on island there), but oh well.

She's so Epic that nothing can compare to her.

And about Legends Mode - you gen a world and toss it away, because it looks boring - hence you possibly missed stories tens of awesome dwarven/human/whatever heroes or other epic stuff.

How many 'Tholtig's' have been lost because of that? :P

EDIT: I think I will start worshipping her in mah sig.

In 2009, Tholtig received worship from Haspen.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: James.Denholm on November 03, 2009, 02:50:51 am
EDIT: I think I will start worshipping her in mah sig.

In 2009, Tholtig received worship from Haspen.

Yes! Let us all do as this true devotee has done!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: mallocks on November 03, 2009, 05:12:57 am
Epic tale, very well written.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: DWeird on November 03, 2009, 08:08:13 am
If there's a way to pull legends info from the game, it should be feasible to create a genealogy for certain (non-elven) groups and provide it in some sort of graphic format.

Not that I would know how to do that.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Xanares on November 04, 2009, 10:42:41 pm
Well done darkflagrance and great find. So many gems hidden in there; truly what makes the game leap towards epic.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Sliver Barb on November 28, 2009, 11:05:59 am
Wow... epic.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Funk on November 28, 2009, 04:46:49 pm
i've checked legends a few times but i never get any one with more than 500 kills ever.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 29, 2009, 12:18:11 am
truly what makes the game leap towards epic.

Are you saying this degrades the quality of the game?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: ein on November 29, 2009, 04:47:32 am
After buffing megabeasts to survive worldgen, I got a dragon with almost 2000 kills before it was slaughtered by a bronze colossus.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Xanares on November 29, 2009, 09:01:52 am
Are you saying this degrades the quality of the game?

No, opposite.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: RedWarrior0 on November 29, 2009, 11:21:12 am
Are you saying this degrades the quality of the game?

No, opposite.
Let me put it this way: the game is beyond epic. Now do you see what you said?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Xanares on November 30, 2009, 06:29:08 am
Yes, I am giving the game a bit of headroom there, so it can become beyond epic (in my mind) in time. But dude.. labels means nothing. We probably feel the same way about it or we wouldn't be here.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Hectonkhyres on November 30, 2009, 09:46:19 am
You must post the worldgen parameters. Someone has to stop worldgen the year before her death, and create an adventurer to meet her.
And then challenge her to honest combat. No eye-gouging, no fifty-million drunks, no exploits. Just combat.
First person to do so and survive gets an internet full of bonus points.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: abculatter_2 on November 30, 2009, 09:55:05 am
Sadly, I don't have time to make a cave dedicated for her (10z all engraved cave with natural, engraved pillars, with magma pool and a masterwork adamantine statue on island there), but oh well.

I shall go forth from the mountainhome, found a mighty fortress, and construct such a monument to honor this legendary dwarf!

And I shall do it without modding.

Should I make a thread in community games for it?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on November 30, 2009, 02:40:48 pm
Sadly, I don't have time to make a cave dedicated for her (10z all engraved cave with natural, engraved pillars, with magma pool and a masterwork adamantine statue on island there), but oh well.

I shall go forth from the mountainhome, found a mighty fortress, and construct such a monument to honor this legendary dwarf!

And I shall do it without modding.

Should I make a thread in community games for it?

^Yes, definitely!

As for world-gen, I lost the exact megabeast mods I made to the world, so that the history of the world is subtly different each time I regen the world, sadly, meaning that in many cases Tholtig is not even born, and the loser king who was supposed to get eaten by the hydra instead runs the dwarf civilization into the ground.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on December 01, 2009, 06:42:18 am
My apologies for the breach in protocol, but please nominate Tholtig for the Hall of Legends here (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=41896.0)!

Edit: And Tholtig is in! Thanks to everyone who voted!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Hagadorn on December 17, 2009, 10:06:58 am
*ahem*

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Epilogue

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Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Armok on December 17, 2009, 11:13:43 am
That. Is beautiful.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on December 17, 2009, 02:35:07 pm
I had been thinking of writing something more about her, but you have exceeded me. Very excellent.

I too have wondered what her end was like, alone in the empty, silent mountain halls. At least she was not devoured by an elf...
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Vester on December 25, 2009, 09:15:19 am
You know?

I just realized how incredibly appropriate the title "The Waning Diamonds" is.

EDIT:

I thought about it a little more, and Tholtig is epic. No, not epic in the used-up internet sense. I mean EPIC. I mean "The Song of Roland" epic, or "The Iliad" epic. Her story is ridiculously tragic. I mean, seriously.

I love this game.

Hey Darkflagrance, do you have the histories of each and every one of the Champions who fought in the Conflict of Lightning? (which is also a pretty cool name, if not that appropriate. More like the Conflict of WE WILL FIGHT FOREVAH). I kinda want to try stringing together a Epic Poetry style ballad.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on December 25, 2009, 04:06:42 pm
You know?

I just realized how incredibly appropriate the title "The Waning Diamonds" is.

EDIT:

I thought about it a little more, and Tholtig is epic. No, not epic in the used-up internet sense. I mean EPIC. I mean "The Song of Roland" epic, or "The Iliad" epic. Her story is ridiculously tragic. I mean, seriously.

I love this game.

Hey Darkflagrance, do you have the histories of each and every one of the Champions who fought in the Conflict of Lightning? (which is also a pretty cool name, if not that appropriate. More like the Conflict of WE WILL FIGHT FOREVAH). I kinda want to try stringing together a Epic Poetry style ballad.

I like this idea  :)

I think most of the details will have to be left up to you, I'm afraid, considering legends mode entries tend to go like this:

Goden Leafybridges the Talon of Shooting was a dwarf born in 1. He was the eldest son of Adil Blockadecontrolled and...
...married Tosid Stockadefortunes the...
...began scouting...
...began worshipping the titan...
...began worshipping the dragon...
...struck down elfname mcelf X 294
...died of old age

So much of the epic should be entrusted to your discretion. I am curious as to how you interpret the personality and motivations of a character whose life is defined by her birth, her swift rise to leadership, and a life of which nothing is recorded save warfare.

If you require any specific details, I can give them to you.

I guess it is significant that most of the champions were related to each other in some way, Goden being the rightful prince of Circletower, and many champions numbering among his children, including Tholtig's husband.
Also, Tholtig's mother was born in the year that Meng became the third king, and Tholtig was born two years before the first attack by the elves on Circletower, in which the elves outnumbered the dwarves 10 to 1, and though the dwarves lost half their army the elves lost six times as many.

By the way, the impact of the titan Washey Monkinsight is interesting. He awoke at the dawn of the world, and the first thing he saw was a dwarf, who attacked him. He proceeded to go on many rampages, attacking Tholtig's fort three times during the time of her grandfather, and later killing her heir Erush. Once, one of the champions, Tosid, had her ear smashed off by him, and Meng's lower body was injured by him. Most dwarves in the fortress worshipped him.

Also, it was shortly after the death of Erush at that titan's hands that Obok became a diplomat. Obok had no children because his wife died two years after he married her, so I assume Erush as his niece was his own personal hope was well as the fortress's. After Erush was killed, he tried to face the titan himself (suicidally?) but was spared. That same year, he laid down his axe. Perhaps it was that incident that made him realize the futility of war, and seek a solution down the ultimately equally futile path of peace?

It's late here. I'll add birth dates when I wake up in a few hours.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: ed boy on December 25, 2009, 08:47:59 pm
Let me put it this way: the game is beyond epic.
I'm going to have to disagree there. To say that the game is epic is to say that its quality can be quantified in such a way. Dwarf fortress simply cannot be measured in such a way: It is above such petty concepts. Dwarf fortress is Beyond Quality.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: SirPenguin on December 25, 2009, 09:46:25 pm
Man, shame she died. If you had started a fortress you would have eventually had her come as your queen.

I had a similar experience happen to me, entirely out of the blue, while I was doing a bloodlines game. It's fitting enough to share here I think. I'm going to copy and paste what I wrote for my turn that year, so it's in character.



It was then I realized then that enjoying the summer outside was not a very dwarvenly thing to do. I dove back into Fightanus and browsed some of our finer pieces of art and engravings. Most were traditional pictures of mountains or clouds. A few were of our guild's symbol, a shining sun. This one, however, stuck with me:

(http://i36.tinypic.com/2mg2yx3.png)


There was a war in this very mountain range between the Dwarves and the Goblins? I asked our historian if he had any books on the subject and I dove into the material for the remainder of my vacation. Come to found out, the Fierce Assaults that engraving depicted was the name of one skirmish in a much larger war. And the countries waging said war?

(http://i35.tinypic.com/ev2uya.png)


Fightanus was founded by the Mortal Daggers of Blood, a guild that belonged to the Roughness of Doctrines, the very same civilization involved in this war with the Hideous Disloyalty, a goblin civilization. I'm not from around this part of the world so this was all news to me. I looked back through the old logs and found something rather worrying

(http://i34.tinypic.com/if5oj7.png)


...we were still at war, one of many. Those bastard Goblins broke the treaty not even a year after it was first signed. The latest battle occurred just a couple of years ago. Our fort is too new to attract much attention...but it won't always be that way. When the goblins find out who we are...what then? Will they send their armies to Fightanus as well? Perhaps. But our civilization has lasted nearly 50 years so far...under whose leadership, I wonder?

(http://i38.tinypic.com/k148s0.png)


It seemed all the wars and battles had been won off the blade of a female soldier by the name of Domas Sprayblockade the Fight of Time. Quite the mouthful, that name. Domas had been in countless battles and had two hundred and fifty nine kills to her name, almost all of them goblins. She lead every assault and defense in the wars against the vile goblins.

(http://i34.tinypic.com/1tpmoz.png)


I looked over her records and found out she had been a prisoner for some time as a youth, kidnapped by a group called the Demon of Spattering. I shouldn't have been very surprised by this next part, but I then learned that the Demon of Spattering was a group founded by the Hideous Disloyalty, the very same goblins we're at war with. That wasn't all, though. After looking up her parents and her husband...

(http://i38.tinypic.com/50n05z.png)


All had been brutally murdered by goblins. Her husband was also a fighter and took some of them down with him, but her parents? Mere civilians! Struck down while fleeing for their lives

So Domas appears to be motivated by vengeance. I can empathize with that plight.

I asked around the fort if anyone had heard of this Domas. The first guy I asked laughed until his face turned red and told me to look at the guild charter. I asked him what the hell he was talking about and why he was laughing.

"You'll know it when you see it," he said inbetween ragged breaths

(http://i36.tinypic.com/6pvk12.png)

She's our queen?

Turns out our royalty do more than just sit around making orders. They also murder entire goblin civilizations out of revenge. That's enough to inspire a man.

My vacation turned out to be a success. In a few short days I began to mobilize our military and outfit the castle with catapults and fortifications. The goblins would be coming, oh yes, that was for sure. We might not have a Domas to lead us, but we sure as hell have some fight in us yet. The Roughness of Doctrines would stand firm.

No matter the battle!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: RedWarrior0 on December 25, 2009, 11:28:33 pm
Let me put it this way: the game is beyond epic.
I'm going to have to disagree there. To say that the game is epic is to say that its quality can be quantified in such a way. Dwarf fortress simply cannot be measured in such a way: It is above such petty concepts. Dwarf fortress is Beyond Quality.
Di you notice that I used the word "beyond" before you?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on December 27, 2009, 07:49:50 am
Champion info:

Everyine below worshipped the terrible dragon Vush Brandedgilt in addition to their normal dwarven deities.

Alath Pagedplaited (b:? d:103)
Married Tekkud Handlecolors. Was a wanderer. Wounded by a cyclops and killed two giants, also fought two more cyclopes, an ettin, and a minotaur. Fought in the Conflict before wandering again, where he was killed by the hydra Emxa. Two daughters: Tosid Stockadefortunes and Rakust Claspshoves.

Meng Freshportal (b:? d:113)
Existed before the beginning of the world. Married Ducim Tradecalls during that time and worked as a fishery worker. Later, fought off a bronze colossus as well as the titan Washey. Became king in 71. Declared war in 81. Children: Mestthos Baldedchanneled, four other daughters and two sons.

Goden Leafybridges (b:1 d:157)
Son of Queen Adil Blockadecontrolled and Mistem Wiltcrypt. Married Tosid Stockadefortunes in 13. Became a scout. Fought in the Conflict. Children: Unib Lancemet, Olon Orblabors, Logem Shaketomes, Udil Boltwanes, Rovod Channelgild, 3 other sons and 2 other daughters.

Tosid Stockadefortunes (b:1 d:143)
Daughter of Alath Pagedplaited. Was a furnace operator. Married the above Goden. Fought a hydra in her youth, later had her ear maimed by Washey the Titan in one of her two fights with him. Became the mayor of Circletower after the first battle with the elves. Shot and killed by Idala Crowdpines.

Goden Routedgates (b:? d:96)
A guard. Did nothing interesting except kill elves.

Mestthos Baldedchanneled (b: 71 d:120)
Daughter of King Meng. Became a farmer (she was still a child when Meng first went to war with the elves). Married Tekkud Letterpulley. Became leader upon Meng's death. Died in battle due to Iru Duneplunged. One daughter: Tholtig.

Olon Orblabors (b: 79 d:242)
Son of Goden/Tosid. Married Kumil Oldhandle and worked as a fishery worker. Fought a cyclops but lost. After a fight with the titan Washey that saw the death of the crown princess, he retired from warfare and became a diplomat.

Unib Lancemet (b:70 d:93)
Daughter of Goden/Tosid, a ranger, shot 8 elves and was in turn shot and killed.

Mafol Drilledhammer the Violence of Forests (b: 110 d:140)
Third of Tholtig's sons. Worked as a farmer. Has his mouth burned by the dragon Vush, that everyone worshipped. Lost his right index finger to an elf. Was shot and killed.

Urist Joinedrings (b:114 d:152)
Youngest of Tholtig's daughters. Also a farmer. Fought the dragon Vush. Killed by the hydra Awim.

Erush Racktoned (b:105 d:195)
Eldest of Tholtig's daughters. A guard. Appears to have been a marksdwarf. The last of Tholtig's children to survive, and the one with the most kills. Killed by the titan Washey.

Obok Willbolt (b:57 d:227)
Only son of Alath's daughter Rakust and King Meng's eldest son Ingish Stirtreaty. A scout, probably an axedwarf. He, Logem, and Tholtig formed a kind of three-dwarf army in the later years of Circletower, because no elf could hope to match them. Perhaps there was more to simple camaraderie to their relationship?

Tholtig Cryptbrain (b:91 d 247)
Daughter of Queen Mestthos and Tekkud Letterpulley. As soon as she came of age she started butchering elves, and didn't stop until she died of old age. She became the last ruler of Circletower in 121, when the Age of Myth ended and the Age of Legend began. Children: Erush Racktoned, Mafol Drilledhammer, Urist Joinedrings, four other daughters and three other sons.

Logem Shaketomes (b: 85 d:237)
Son of Goden/Tosid. Like his wife , he seems to have been a warrior from the moment he was born. Like Tholtig, the dozens of battles and decades of warfare that made up the only existence he ever knew were reduced in Legends Mode to "Struck down the elf" X 2000. It is up to the reader to interpret his life.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Vester on December 27, 2009, 07:55:13 am
Oh wow. That's all of them?

Also, when exactly did the war start?

Also: Alath is an adventurer, then... hum. He could be prototypical.

Also, what happened with Vush? Was he still alive when worldgen stopped?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Haspen on December 27, 2009, 08:09:06 am
Tholtig (and her relatives, and the whole conflict, and megabeasts, and...) deserve more fanfic.

And a book.

"This is an Adamantine Book. All of it's craftdwarfship is of the highest quality. It is studded with Adamantine. It is adorned with hanging rings of Adamantine. It is encircled with the bands of Adamantine, menaces with spikes of Adamantine and contains the glorious yet tragic history of the greatest dwarf in history, Tholting Cryptbrain the Waning Diamonds."
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on December 27, 2009, 09:07:06 am
Vush, full name Vush Brandedgilt the Sweltering Diamond, is still living. She possesses 71 kills.

Washey Monkinsight the Oaken Pages is also still alive, as is the female hydra Emxa Snarlbloat the Youth of Braving that slew Alath. Alath died in the hydra's cave (Clearingscars the Sacrifice of Igniting), so it looks like he went out to challenge it by himself, after it attacked his daughter Tosid many years ago.

The first conflict between the dwarves and elves took place in 81; it was a battle called the Clash of Fangs, in which King Meng attacked a group of elves in the forest. There was a peace after this battle for several years. In 93, the elves suddenly decided to avenge themselves and began their implacable war with a 187 elf siege, fought off by 18 dwarves, with 10 dead dwarves and 63 dead elves as the result.

Other champions, previously lost:

Udil Boltwanes the Lacy Tenderness (b 86 d 105)
Daughter of Goden/Tosid. A fishery worker before the wars. Her head was smashed by the titan Washey but she survived. Two years later, she went to war against the elves, killing 46 of them, including the elven champion Imaza Waspspeak the Direction of Papers, a legendary sniper who had herself slain two human champions, and whose mouth was mangled due to an old wound inflicted by a third human champion. In 103 she left the fortress to wander for a short while, defeating a cyclops but failing to kill him. The next year, an elven attack forced her to return to Circletower,  where she was shot and killed by Atera Echohoof the Girders of Depth. Logem later personally avenged his sister's death two years later.

Incidentally, Udil's first kill was an elf named Lionsplatter.

Rovod Channelgild the Rough Orb of Cloistering (b 87 d 138)
Son of Goden/Tosid, originally a ranger, later became a guard. Like his sister Udil many of his 88 kills appear to have been via crossbow. Near the end of his life, he joined Tholtig in a series of attacks on a forest retreat that initially went in the dwarves' favor; however, Rovod fell in the last battle of that conflict, and his loss forced Tholtig to retreat.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Caiburn on January 22, 2010, 07:03:02 pm
So now we need a dwarven genealogy application that reads the legends?

Ow.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: AtomicPaperclip on January 22, 2010, 11:47:49 pm
They all died of old age? This is an adamantine walker. The craftsmanship is of the highest quality. It is adorned with spikes of elf bone, elf leather, and raw aluminum.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: powell on January 23, 2010, 02:54:13 am
Hey, can you post the region folder? I mean, we should be able to go into legends in that couldnt we?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: scotch208 on March 09, 2010, 01:38:42 pm
Hey, can you post the region folder? I mean, we should be able to go into legends in that couldnt we?
Yea, if you could post that or a save an epic story could be written.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on March 09, 2010, 09:38:57 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1716

The file is modded, incidentally. Doesn't affect Tholtig in the least though (except making the megabeasts ridiculously difficult to kill).

There is also another race that was modded in.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Arkenstone on April 20, 2010, 04:26:32 pm
This has inspired me to work on making a Microsoft Access template to help sort out all this data; I wish Toady would finish the XML dumper so it can actually work!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on April 22, 2010, 05:19:39 pm
Good luck on the above! I would help, but I lack access to Access and haven't used it in years, sadly.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Arkenstone on April 23, 2010, 04:52:18 pm
Yeah, my mom works in database management, (she was on the cutting edge... 20 years ago :-\) so I have some help doing this.  The only problem is that the XML dump seems to be missing a bunch of info; hence the reason why I'd like Toady to finish it.  My hope is that once that's done I can create a program for viewing legends that becomes the 'essential' tool in the field in the way Dwarf Therapist has become for some.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Haspen on April 26, 2010, 01:01:24 pm
Tholtig's name and title is very fitting.

Crypt: Circletower, as there everyone from her clan lay dead.

Brain: She was a leader.

Waning: The dwarves were 'waning'.

Diamonds: They were impervious to the enemy (elves), except the dreaded Time.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Arkenstone on April 26, 2010, 03:38:42 pm
Whatever happened to "diamonds are forever"?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Tuxman on May 26, 2010, 11:37:22 pm
The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory: The Movie

Now this would be epic. A little sad ending perhaps, but that's how epics usually are. Or something. It would easily topple lotr. xD

300  15 The Movie
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Josephus on May 30, 2010, 12:26:31 am
8000? Yawn.

WAIT, NO

NOT YAWN

EPIC. EPIIIIIIIIIC
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Djohaal on May 31, 2010, 03:59:42 pm
Oh god, most fortunate thread stumble-upon ever! All my forts now will have a sanctuary with the image of Tholtig.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: burningpet on June 16, 2010, 01:17:22 pm
That great tale inspired me to paint this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Haspen on June 16, 2010, 01:42:15 pm
Holy Jesus Armok!

*thumbs up!*

That's freakingly awesome piece of art dedicated to a freakingly awesome dwarf lady indeed!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on June 16, 2010, 05:53:10 pm
That great tale inspired me to paint this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Utterly fantastically beautiful. Mind if I add this to the wiki?

Edit: It has been added.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: burningpet on June 16, 2010, 06:00:43 pm
That great tale inspired me to paint this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Utterly fantastically beautiful. Mind if I add this to the wiki?

absolutely, i would be very honored if you do so, this is nothing compared to your briliant work.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Djohaal on June 16, 2010, 07:40:28 pm
That great tale inspired me to paint this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

100% awesomeness.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Andreus on July 19, 2010, 02:08:46 am
That great tale inspired me to paint this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Engraved on the wall is a masterful burningpet rendition of Tholtig Cryptbrain the Waning Diamond. Tholtig Cryptbrain the Waning Diamond is glowering. This relates to the One Hundred And Eighty Fifth glowering in Circletower.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: yarr on September 28, 2010, 03:52:24 am
how did I miss this thread for so long?

EPIC !
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on October 15, 2010, 03:20:19 pm
I just found this (http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-9227-walltombcircletower), and thought it was cool.

It's a Circletower discovered by someone who used Embark Anywhere on Tholtig's ruined mountainhome.

The rooms are bare and empty now that everything inside them has been stolen or fallen to pieces, but you can still see the empty great hall where the Queen and her clan once sat and sang over mugs of Dwarven Ale.

Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Julien Brightside on October 27, 2010, 09:21:10 am
That picture always gives me the chills and tears of awesome at the same time.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: jei on October 27, 2010, 12:43:53 pm
Hate to point it out to you, but she has no beard!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on October 27, 2010, 01:09:57 pm
Hate to point it out to you, but she has no beard!

Technically, no dwarf had beards in 40d, because they weren't simulated yet...though the default for modern female dwarves is to go clean-shaven.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Typhus on November 06, 2010, 12:17:12 am
Out of curiosity, what - exactly - does it mean when Legends mode says something was smashed? I was hopping through the legends mode for some of the heroes and their foes, and I noticed it would occasionally say something was "smashed." It seemed self-explanatory, the smashing equivalent of being lopped off, but I noticed that, for example, with Idala, the killer of Tosid, that her lower body was "smashed" by Tholtig, although Idala would not die until some years later in a fight with Logem. In 40d, wasn't a lower torso smashing instantly fatal?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Haspen on November 06, 2010, 07:30:33 am
Out of curiosity, what - exactly - does it mean when Legends mode says something was smashed? I was hopping through the legends mode for some of the heroes and their foes, and I noticed it would occasionally say something was "smashed." It seemed self-explanatory, the smashing equivalent of being lopped off, but I noticed that, for example, with Idala, the killer of Tosid, that her lower body was "smashed" by Tholtig, although Idala would not die until some years later in a fight with Logem. In 40d, wasn't a lower torso smashing instantly fatal?

I believe that it means that a blunt weapon (eg: warhammer) was used to inflict heavy damage on the body part, not killing the victim.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Yoink on November 11, 2010, 01:20:36 am
Wow... Just amazing.
You just made me like dwarves!
Sure, I play Dwarf Fortress, but before that I'd had a distinct dislike of dwarves... In all fantasy novels I've read, they're usually annoying little pains in the rear, know-it-alls almost as bad as elves, who I loathe...
I'd gained some fondness for them as they died horribly carrying out my plans in fortress mode, but that was it. I would've much preferred to play as goblins.
But reading this awesomeness, I now like dwarves. That is just so epic. :D Great job!

Also: I like looking through Legends mode, although with the pages and pages of unrelated names, it's difficult... It'd be great if legends mode was fixed up. :)
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Julien Brightside on November 12, 2010, 02:57:09 pm
I had this image in my head all day and I just had to do something about it.

(http://i51.tinypic.com/9hv3n5.jpg)
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Karakzon on December 12, 2010, 06:37:07 pm
their realy should be an acension system of some sort in this game xP some of these characters should become gods after death, because they would certainly be worshiped.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Vattic on December 12, 2010, 07:25:12 pm
It's crazy that stories like this are hidden in legends mode; It makes me wonder what we've missed in the countless worlds generated. Nice work sorting through, narrating, and revealing it for us.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Chromasphere on December 23, 2010, 12:57:43 pm
For those of you who are having trouble getting information out of Legends mode, a couple excellent programs have recently been made.  Legends Viewer 1.02  and   World Viewer2 0.14.  They both are based on Legends.xml and so not complete in all details, BUT when used in conjunction with Legends mode, can be very useful.  Both are still being developed and built upon.  Give them a try.  I find in most worlds generated, if you dig carefuly enough, you can find amazing stories both epic and heart-rending.  These tools may help a little to find such tales and they can be found right here in DFGeneral Discussion.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Typhus on December 29, 2010, 08:17:50 am
Do either of these work with 40d? Or just 2010?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Chromasphere on December 29, 2010, 04:02:37 pm
Do either of these work with 40d? Or just 2010?

2010 but the creator of worldviewer 2.0 is doing a bit of patching to make some of the info in 40d useable.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Mason11987 on January 17, 2011, 01:06:52 am
Do either of these work with 40d? Or just 2010?

There is a 40d version I put up for world viewer, but 40d didn't export a lot of data, so it's missing much of what you regularly have with .31 worlds.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Devling on February 17, 2011, 01:38:42 am
No words. Except for this two. Wait, fuck.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: em312s0n on February 22, 2011, 12:04:21 am
we could at least have family members have THE SAME LAST NAME so its easier to distinguish lineage...so maybe you could go "hey i recognize that family name! didnt i kill your daughter before? chop her up limb from limb, watch her suffer and cut her head off? I actually have her head here in my bag o' kills..."
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Devling on February 23, 2011, 12:53:56 am
we could at least have family members have THE SAME LAST NAME so its easier to distinguish lineage...so maybe you could go "hey i recognize that family name! didnt i kill your daughter before? chop her up limb from limb, watch her suffer and cut her head off? I actually have her head here in my bag o' kills..."
I tip my methaporical hat of win and akwardness to you dear sir.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Dutchling on February 24, 2011, 10:02:23 am
we could at least have family members have THE SAME LAST NAME so its easier to distinguish lineage...so maybe you could go "hey i recognize that family name! didnt i kill your daughter before? chop her up limb from limb, watch her suffer and cut her head off? I actually have her head here in my bag o' kills..."
I tip my methaporical hat of win and akwardness to you dear sir.
I always change my dwarves' names myself in DM so I know who is related to who.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: em312s0n on February 25, 2011, 02:39:28 am
but its hard to trace lineage in adventure mode though so you wouldnt know if this guy you just hired is the great grand son of Urist McKilledThousands or Urist McSavedyourassonce unless you would go through everyone spamming Family, family, family... and most Urists dont even have families.bunch of parentless, orgy havin, buzzard chasin pricks...
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Duntada Man on February 27, 2011, 07:24:37 am
Makes me sad my old legendary wrestler from .40d wasn't around to help that civilization. She spit out 15 kids... after paralyzing her husband during a sparring session.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on February 28, 2011, 11:32:48 am
but its hard to trace lineage in adventure mode though so you wouldnt know if this guy you just hired is the great grand son of Urist McKilledThousands or Urist McSavedyourassonce unless you would go through everyone spamming Family, family, family... and most Urists dont even have families.bunch of parentless, orgy havin, buzzard chasin pricks...

In old 40d, most people you met in adventure mode were probably related to some important historical figure or another, being descended from one of the few starting pairs that seeded that civilization. In the current version, most people you meet in adventure mode have been generated on the spot, with the exception of a few randomly placed historical figures. Even leaders tend to be spawned out of the ether. As a result, there are much fewer connections to find between heroes and peasants in the current version.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Tlc2011 on May 06, 2011, 08:48:39 pm
Best. Story. Ever.

I love you.

Seriously. THAT MANY KILLS?

Mother of god i wish you had her as an adventurer.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Karakzon on May 08, 2011, 11:56:46 am
against elves, axes are generaly faster.

when youve got a 100 strong army to butcher, you dont want to get bogged down breaking knee caps when you could just slice their legs off and let them bleed to death wile you went after the next one.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: EmperorNuthulu on May 10, 2011, 01:48:55 am
Hmm, if only this was in the 2010 mode, then it could be updated for the next release. Zombie cryptbrain anyone?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: GHudston on May 10, 2011, 09:35:37 pm
Bronze Orbs? Tholtig clearly had orbs of brass.

Truely, utterly amazing. I can't help but wonder what other incredible stories are hidden away behind DF's fiddly UI, the fact that it can generate such an epic is telling of the game's future.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: BronzeElemental on May 30, 2011, 01:47:42 pm
Whatan endding though if I were death I'd be pretty damn scared to show up and take her life. Old or not.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Karakzon on May 30, 2011, 03:36:28 pm
lol... oh god xP

necromancer arc, imagine having this world and going to revive her?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Max176 on September 04, 2011, 10:44:10 pm
Sorry, have to necro this, it's too epic to fade away.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Karakzon on September 30, 2011, 05:28:31 am
Necro

Think we could make a history entry for her? so our dwarves pay homage by carving engravings of her and her struggle?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Ifeno on October 10, 2011, 01:34:51 pm
nvm...holy shit.  So...the elves they where waring with...where they completely killed off or...did the elves "win" the war due to Tholtig's old age?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Karakzon on October 10, 2011, 01:49:00 pm
They technicaly won the war with the dwarves, but because they spent so many lifes on Tholtig and her kins axes, the civ got scatterd and decimated by the other civs -humans and goblins-
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: ZZmage on December 05, 2011, 07:40:32 am
I know this is a necro post but if you still had a copy of the save couldn't you just copy the raw folder from save to the main replace that and boom regen the world with the same raws that made it?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on December 05, 2011, 12:03:01 pm
Using the same seed and factors does not seem to reproduce the world. In all my attempts, I managed to seed the starting civilizations correctly, but history did not play out the same way it did for Tholtig; I think in the current worlds she is never born.

That said, you are free to try with the save. I believe you can find the link to it in this thread or via google.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: ricemastah on December 07, 2011, 05:19:31 pm
It's nice to go back and reread old classics every once in awhile. I still revel in the glory of Tholtig, may her name never be forgotten.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: ActnMoviHeroBoy on January 30, 2012, 03:08:47 pm
Felt like this needed a bump. Keep it going, people
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 30, 2012, 03:49:06 pm
Felt like this needed a bump. Keep it going, people

There's only so many times you can re-read something :P

Best rested, so we can get all nostalgic and remember it again :D
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Duntada Man on January 30, 2012, 09:26:32 pm
Not his fault necromancers were introduced. He's just doing his job as a practitioner of the dark forum arts. (A.K.A. Thread necromancy.)
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: JoshBrickstien on January 30, 2012, 10:08:29 pm
Somehow I'd never seen this before. Just wow.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Lumix on January 31, 2012, 05:32:33 am
I love it when people make storys out of the the Legends screen, This has to be one of the best i have read in a while
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Ferozstein on January 31, 2012, 06:04:16 am
How I've missed this before, I have no idea.

I'm adding Tholtig right now to my preference and engraving raws, a dwarven legend that surpasses the boundaries of worlds. Cacame is already there as well.

May the epic of Tholtig never be forgotten.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: igorgitirana on January 31, 2012, 12:52:22 pm
I'm not good to speak in English, but I registered to leave a sketch tribute.

A mother loses her child.

option1:
(http://www.image-share.com/upload/1258/231m.jpg) (http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-1258-231.html)

option2:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sorry for the errors of perspective
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on January 31, 2012, 03:50:44 pm
I'm not good to speak in English, but I registered to leave a sketch tribute.

A mother loses her child.

option1:
(http://www.image-share.com/upload/1258/231m.jpg) (http://www.image-share.com/ijpg-1258-231.html)

option2:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sorry for the errors of perspective

O_O Wow, this is amazing! And heartrending  :'(

Thank you!

Edit: You wouldn't mind if I also added this image to the OP would you?
Edit2: Added to the post
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: igorgitirana on January 31, 2012, 04:37:45 pm
Edit: You wouldn't mind if I also added this image to the OP would you?

Yes, No problem :)
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Loud Whispers on January 31, 2012, 05:43:03 pm
Even when cradling the arms of a dying child, a Dwarf never lets go of their weapons.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: igorgitirana on January 31, 2012, 06:23:40 pm
Even when cradling the arms of a dying child, a Dwarf never lets go of their weapons.

How will she slaugther the 100 elves that she's facing, if she loose the hammer?? ;D

Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Ferozstein on January 31, 2012, 08:46:45 pm
This picture should appear on the wiki ASAP.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Dunamisdeos on February 01, 2012, 01:13:27 am
I don't have a heart. Go Tholtig.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Vehudur on February 01, 2012, 07:15:07 am
A few weeks back I summarized this story for a friend.  They didn't believe me when I told them it was procedurally generated by a game until I linked them to this thread.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Armok on February 01, 2012, 07:42:52 pm
Thats amazing.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Julien Brightside on February 02, 2012, 04:36:39 am
Even when cradling the arms of a dying child, a Dwarf never lets go of their weapons.

How will she slaugther the 100 elves that she's facing, if she loose the hammer?? ;D

With her fists!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Loud Whispers on February 02, 2012, 02:01:57 pm
Even when cradling the arms of a dying child, a Dwarf never lets go of their weapons.

How will she slaughter the 100 elves that she's facing, if she loses the hammer?? ;D

With her fists!

Come to think of it, she could use the child.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Karakzon on February 02, 2012, 05:46:09 pm
Even when cradling the arms of a dying child, a Dwarf never lets go of their weapons.

How will she slaughter the 100 elves that she's facing, if she loses the hammer?? ;D

With her fists!

Come to think of it, she could use the child.

Tholtig Cryptbrain: so dwarfy that she used the deceased corpse of her once belovid son to kill a hundred elves. Because thats how he would have wanted her to avenge him.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: igorgitirana on February 02, 2012, 11:49:19 pm
Even when cradling the arms of a dying child, a Dwarf never lets go of their weapons.

How will she slaughter the 100 elves that she's facing, if she loses the hammer?? ;D

With her fists!

Come to think of it, she could use the child.

Tholtig Cryptbrain: so dwarfy that she used the deceased corpse of her once belovid son to kill a hundred elves. Because thats how he would have wanted her to avenge him.

damn, I forgot that detail.  :-X
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: ActnMoviHeroBoy on February 09, 2012, 11:46:26 am
See? My necroing of this thread caused at least two people to see it for the first time.

Worth it.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Lord Allagon on March 12, 2012, 06:51:10 am
Wow. This is... epic... It makes me think of all the stories lost when you erase a world without reading Legends. Just... Awesome.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: RobRawrful on March 12, 2012, 07:44:18 am
It's beautiful.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: JimmyBobJr on March 12, 2012, 08:06:15 am
Whoo necroing old threads!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Phlum on June 28, 2012, 02:35:24 pm
ima name a fortress after her, hell i'll name all my forts after her, and in every one make a river of lava that prints her name in the forest for all elves to fear.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Karakzon on June 28, 2012, 05:07:45 pm
Another shameless bump.

If your new to the story: GO READ THE DAMN STORY.

If not, Whats up doc?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Devling on June 28, 2012, 05:59:25 pm
Heh. Not even the vampire queen of my current world managed to get that many kills in 94 years. Well, she came close (2292) but didn't quite get enough.

Because of this game I hate Vampires almost as equally as Elves.
At least they can kill people.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: blarg552 on July 06, 2012, 01:58:35 am
...Tholtig...has just inspired a character idea within me. Such a wonderful tale.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: towerdude on July 15, 2012, 06:28:33 pm
Anyone has the original world, so I can read the things in Legends mode?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: PlutoniumApe on August 30, 2012, 06:28:15 pm
Tholtig Momuzidek Lelumdoren
please accept my humble offering

may you continue with your elf murdering ways for all eternity
and stand as an example for all those child bearing elite soldiers


(http://tnypic.net/62816.png)

Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Sprin on August 30, 2012, 06:44:41 pm
On the note of Tholtig and Ironblood marrying...
not only was Tholtig maried but so was Ironblood both of there spouses were warriors of the most baddass variety, But they would be close freinds.
(Also didnt Ironblood become a god?)
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on August 31, 2012, 01:32:31 pm
Tholtig Momuzidek Lelumdoren
please accept my humble offering

may you continue with your elf murdering ways for all eternity
and stand as an example for all those child bearing elite soldiers


Spoiler: "awesome image!" (click to show/hide)

 :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Would you mind if I added your magnificent but 'humble offering' to the front page?

Edit: It has been done!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: PlutoniumApe on August 31, 2012, 01:50:37 pm
:) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Would you mind if I added your magnificent but 'humble offering' to the front page?

If it pleases her majesty  :D
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: armeggedonCounselor on October 29, 2012, 10:08:49 pm
Hate to necro again, but I just wanted to say that I have found inspiration. I am going to write the Epic of Tholtig Cryptbrain, last queen of the Bronze Orbs, for NaNoWriMo. Or try to, at least. I doubt my meager skills will produce anything of artifact quality, but I shall try never the less.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: GreatWyrmGold on October 30, 2012, 05:27:09 pm
Ñ!

But seriously, good luck. Maybe you'll get a strange mood. Maybe a fell mood...
*edges away from armeggedonCounselor*
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Dithon1 on December 06, 2012, 01:15:34 am
So, I just created an account to post to say how awesome this is. Can't believe I've never seen it before now.




Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on December 04, 2015, 10:49:28 am
Wow, this brought tears to my eyes. To see that this page hasn't been visited for over a year... May Tholtig Cryptbrain, Last Queen of the Bronze Orbs live forever in the memory of this community.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Dozebôm Lolumzalìs on December 04, 2015, 09:45:26 pm
NECROBUMP!

But seriously, more like three years.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on December 05, 2015, 07:41:01 pm
NECROBUMP!

But seriously, more like three years.

IKR, I just totally disturbed a a perfectly good necro, but I couldn't help it O:)
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Ehndras on December 21, 2015, 09:12:54 pm
OH MY GODS.

How did it take so many years for me to find this!?

INCREDIBLE. And that painting is a masterwork.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Bearskie on December 22, 2015, 02:12:20 am
Oh hai Tholtig.

Nice to see you (again).
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on January 07, 2016, 07:45:53 pm
OH MY GODS.

How did it take so many years for me to find this!?

INCREDIBLE. And that painting is a masterwork.

Lol, When I first saw this that was my first reaction too.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: inteuniso on January 07, 2016, 08:00:25 pm
Oh hai Tholtig.

Nice to see you (again).

+1
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on January 22, 2016, 12:08:54 pm
wow, a very serious necrobump, this is really kinda funny
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: 90908 on January 22, 2016, 03:15:41 pm
ALL HAIL THE NECROTHREAD

NECROTHREAD IS THE LORD. ALL HAIL NECROTHREAD.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Dunamisdeos on January 22, 2016, 03:17:01 pm
One of very few threads that no one complains about being necro'd

I know of no reason why the Legend of Tholtig should ever be forgot.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on January 22, 2016, 07:22:35 pm
"Ryukan forgets life goal of world domination. Ryukan makes new life goal; Make sure no one forgets Tholtig Cryptbrain"
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: 90908 on January 23, 2016, 02:36:19 pm
We require more posts!

Posts for the post god! Comments for the comments throne!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on January 25, 2016, 08:32:27 pm
"Ryukan is taken by a fey mood!"
"Ryukan demands Paper, Art supplies, and art program"
"Ryukan takes over personal office"
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Mipe on January 29, 2016, 12:59:01 pm
This...

This is quite an inspiration, though I am heartbroken to see it end in such a manner.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on January 29, 2016, 01:02:50 pm
Indeed...
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on January 29, 2016, 09:12:54 pm
This...

This is quite an inspiration, though I am heartbroken to see it end in such a manner.
It's not gone as long as we remember it
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Oncum on May 27, 2016, 04:18:42 pm
This...

This is quite an inspiration, though I am heartbroken to see it end in such a manner.
It's not gone as long as we remember it

It never will be gone, friend!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 27, 2016, 04:28:37 pm
Aye.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on May 27, 2016, 05:48:47 pm
Necrobump
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 27, 2016, 05:49:31 pm
No it isn't.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on May 27, 2016, 05:54:01 pm
January 27 - May 27? Necrobump
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 27, 2016, 05:56:50 pm
Your post was not, though.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on May 27, 2016, 06:14:49 pm
Your post was not, though.

Oh that, sorry, thought you meant the other dude's :D
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on May 28, 2016, 12:29:09 am
Yeah, I noticed.  :v
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: nuget102 on June 01, 2016, 08:17:27 pm
Always nice to see this thread be necrod.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on June 01, 2016, 09:39:05 pm
Wow, I didn't mean to become a forum necromancer
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 01, 2016, 09:39:56 pm
You didn't, this is a community effort.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Melting Sky on June 07, 2016, 06:00:52 am
Never read this one before. Truly epic.

Thanks to the original creator of the thread and those who have necroed it over the years to keep the tale alive.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on June 07, 2016, 07:17:45 am
What's sad is I think the threads owner is still active
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on June 07, 2016, 07:32:31 am
Hey OP, dost thou still live-eth?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Pirate Bob on August 08, 2016, 09:41:41 pm
Does anyone know if the wiki is accurate in its claim that Tholtig holds "the known record for elves (or any sentient warrior) slain by a single dwarf in any mode of the game".  While Tholtig is amazingly epic, it seems like some adventurer likely would have surpassed this total (although maybe it would be hard to generate a world with enough "sentient warriors")? 

It would be rather easy (although not at all epic an quite boring) to surpass this total in the Arena.  Inspired by reading of Tholtig, I killed over 400 elves with a dwarf in the arena, and I can't see any obstacle to killing a few thousand other than getting bored.  I guess it's possible that the dwarf could get drowsy?  I'm not sure if that can happen in the arena, but it hasn't been a problem yet.  Even if that can happen, one could use a vampire/necromancer to prevent it.

So anyhow, is there any record of kills above Tholtig's most impressive total?
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: NullForceOmega on August 08, 2016, 11:56:12 pm
There have been world-gen figures with higher overall kill counts, but I don't know of any with higher elf-specific kill counts.

Also, because I've only just now posted in this thread, nice archaeology Darkflagrance, I love the writeup and all the forum art as well.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Fleeting Frames on August 09, 2016, 07:25:34 am
Well, "other than getting bored" is not small obstacle at all, depending on scale of task. United States got bored of moon landings, for instance. But if I were to try to surpass, I'd try the initial worldgen parameters that created Tholtig with small variations, or alternatively create 1 dark goblin fortress surrounded by 100 elven ones.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on September 12, 2016, 02:41:35 pm
The legend shall live.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: 90908 on September 12, 2016, 03:03:13 pm
The legend shall live.
Goddamnit you semi-attractive sea creature you.

NECROOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on September 12, 2016, 04:19:01 pm
The legend shall live.

ARMOK DAMNIT!!!

STAHPIT!!!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on September 12, 2016, 09:50:34 pm
The legend shall live.

ARMOK DAMNIT!!!

STAHPIT!!!
No!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: 90908 on September 13, 2016, 05:15:34 pm
THOLTIG SHALL REMAIN IN POWER.

MAY NONE FORGET THOLTIG.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on September 13, 2016, 05:54:01 pm
Exactly.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: HMetal2001 on September 24, 2016, 03:54:42 am
The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory: The Movie

Now this would be epic. A little sad ending perhaps, but that's how epics usually are. Or something. It would easily topple lotr. xD

A sci-fi adaptaion would topple the Klingons!

NECROOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on September 24, 2016, 01:52:25 pm
*Forumite Ryukan flips table in an unstoppable rage*
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheBiggerFish on September 25, 2016, 09:43:09 am
This would make a good movie.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Sanctume on April 20, 2018, 04:38:56 am
I enjoy a re-read of a Hall of Legends entry once in a while.

Tholtig's Triumph by sarasti (https://www.reddit.com/user/sarasti_) as posted on reddit (https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/010/380/468/large/lily-abdullina-tholtig-web.jpg).

(https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/010/380/468/large/lily-abdullina-tholtig-web.jpg)

Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on April 21, 2018, 12:55:40 pm
She's also done Cacame Awemedinade the Immortal Onslaught. Check out her art thread (Murdercrow and Other Travesties) to see more awesomeness.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Lord scorch on January 29, 2020, 08:14:39 am
Lord Scorch gestures!
this epic post shudders and begins to move!
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: TheImmortalRyukan on January 29, 2020, 07:36:05 pm
Lord Scorch gestures!
this epic post shudders and begins to move!

A worthy Necro if there ever was such a thing
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: darkflagrance on June 14, 2021, 01:58:36 pm
After ten thousand years, I finally fixed the link to Tholtig's kill count since tinypic broke.

I can't fix the other links, sadly.
Title: Re: The Legend of Tholtig Cryptbrain: An Epic of Bloodshed, Despair, and Glory
Post by: Dunamisdeos on June 14, 2021, 02:13:32 pm
I'm glad this gets necro'd every so often.

Never forget.