Post by: Hortun on November 05, 2009, 09:56:53 pm
I always wondered; does butchering baby animals yield less meat and bone than butchering the adults? I've always just killed things as they pop out in fear of catsplosion or donkeysplosion or whatever animal they might be, but I'm thinking twice now that I'm breeding giant scorpions and eagles.
edit: Some people want to leave this as a 40d questions thread, and since there is a 2010 question thread here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=52208), we can go with that.
Post by: They Got Leader on November 05, 2009, 10:19:20 pm
Post by: hitto on November 05, 2009, 10:32:07 pm
Post by: They Got Leader on November 05, 2009, 10:35:16 pm
Post by: Albedo on November 05, 2009, 10:43:51 pm
Post by: Skorpion on November 05, 2009, 10:57:45 pm
Post by: Hortun on November 06, 2009, 12:20:46 am
And don't forget this thread can be used for other little questions that others might have, too. :)
Post by: ricemastah on November 06, 2009, 01:06:32 am
Baby animals do, in fact, give less parts. Wait for them to mature, THEN kill them!
Unless they are cats, or in this case kittens, then you butcher them right away and make mittens!
Post by: Albedo on November 06, 2009, 03:45:37 am
Wait for them to mature, THEN kill them!
With cats and puppies you only lose 1 to the stack, so the wait might not be worth it. Takes a dwarf-size critter or better to lose 2 to the stack iirc.
Post by: Auldrin on November 06, 2009, 06:25:14 am
Small question! What sort of wealth is required to get megabeast attacks in a fortress?
Post by: smjjames on November 06, 2009, 06:37:17 am
Post by: Blood-Dwarf on November 06, 2009, 07:55:05 am
relevant parts from the wiki:
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The type of megabeast appears to be random, but the timing may not be. A certain wealth or a population of around 100 may trigger one...depending on what has survived world generation.
Post by: Auldrin on November 06, 2009, 08:07:42 am
Post by: Hortun on November 06, 2009, 05:22:30 pm
I've got another question. I'm preparing to strike the HFS pit and was carving out fortifications when I wondered something. If I have to fortification walls parallel to each other and marksdwarves shooting through both sides, will I have to worry about my marksdwarves missing and hitting other dwarves on the other side? And if war dogs are in the same tunnel, will I have to worry about them getting hit with friendly fire?
Post by: DaPatman on November 06, 2009, 05:28:36 pm
Post by: Auldrin on November 06, 2009, 05:34:22 pm
Post by: Hortun on November 06, 2009, 05:42:42 pm
I'm fairly confident friendly fire only happens with ballistae.
Awesome, that makes things much easier. Thanks!
I can't even comprehend 450 million wealth. I keep getting happy and dug in just as I realise my site is made of fail for resources, though :'(
The only reason my fort was so dang wealthy was because 100% of it was engraved and I was lucky enough to hit two big platinum veins as well as some gold, silver, and tetrahedrite. Then you can import tons of high value ingredients for making very expensive meals. It's also about 8 years old, so it took some time to build up to that. No economy either :P
And I just thought of one more thing! I have temperature turned off to keep the FPS up, but will that stop creatures like Spirits of Fire from doing damage?
Post by: Auldrin on November 06, 2009, 06:16:53 pm
Post by: Albedo on November 06, 2009, 07:21:23 pm
I'm fairly confident friendly fire only happens with ballistae.
Confirmed.
Can't hurt friendlies with crossbows or catapults, no matter how hard you try.
Post by: Grendus on November 06, 2009, 07:37:50 pm
As for megabeasts, I usually see them show up at roughly the same time as the goblins do, give or take a season. I've always assumed their arrival triggers are the same as goblins, just hardcoded (which would be a nice thing to put in the raws, come to think of it, so you could set up a mod with periodic megabeast attacks that grow in strength).
Post by: Albedo on November 06, 2009, 07:50:33 pm
(heck, the odds of hitting a hostile with them are pretty pitiful).
Couldn't quote numbers, but catapults can be moderately accurate if they're maxed out. If the target is stationary, like during a siege or with some creatures, they can do the job. But, yeah, they are not in the "one shot, one kill" category, no doubt. ;)
I don't think ballistae are any better, they're just low-flying jets that cut a swathe thru anything they cross, so they don't have to target a specific tile.
Post by: Auldrin on November 06, 2009, 08:20:35 pm
Post by: Skorpion on November 07, 2009, 11:43:56 pm
It just needs an altar. What should I use for this? An anvil? Tables?
Also, should I rip out the kimberlite block trade depot, pave the entire room with soap instead of just a few bits, and then make the depot out of soap?
Or would that be a bit much?
Or should I make it out of an obvious wood product?
Fuck it. Clear glass block trade depot. It's shiny, it's valuable, and it wipes clean!
Post by: HAMMERMILL on November 07, 2009, 11:53:23 pm
Otherwise its completely safe to fire unless the catapult targets some hoary marmot a hunter is wrestling to death.
I always wondered why some fortresses will let you make coats from the clothier's workshop while other don't. I thought it depended on how cold the embark site was but no dice.
I also wonder if degraded clothing and armor (XX Cow Leather Tunic XX) has any effect on its damblock or anything besides its value.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 08, 2009, 12:50:39 am
I always wondered why some fortresses will let you make coats from the clothier's workshop while other don't. I thought it depended on how cold the embark site was but no dice.
It's civ-dependent. Each civ randomly determines its clothing, but there are usually a few constants. Humans, for example, have the widest variety of clothing. They can wear capes and braies instead of cloaks and socks, or togas and short skirts instead of tunics and trousers.
I also wonder if degraded clothing and armor (XX Cow Leather Tunic XX) has any effect on its damblock or anything besides its value.
My suspicion is no. But I've no evidence to back that up.
Post by: Iverum on November 13, 2009, 04:54:02 pm
So, I have a minor issue concerning economic stones. I've looked through the wiki and forum for any hint of what might be wrong, but so far there is nothing I can tell. The stone is not forbidden, and it sure isn't economic. I have a huge stockpile of stone outside my fortress consisting of a mix of economic stone, like obsidian, and normal stone, like microcline.
The issue is with my new Mason's Workshop. I already have one, and it's building the standard mix of doors and tables. However, whenever I try to assign a task to the new one the task is canceled due to a lack of non-economic stones. That's a blatant lie and I think he's just lazy.
Any ideas as to what might be causing this?
Post by: TheDeadlyShoe on November 13, 2009, 05:03:06 pm
Post by: Iverum on November 13, 2009, 05:06:19 pm
Post by: ed boy on November 13, 2009, 05:47:33 pm
does reclaiming reset this limit?
Post by: Skorpion on November 13, 2009, 06:17:03 pm
Namely, can I eat troglodytes?
Post by: Auldrin on November 13, 2009, 06:24:02 pm
Post by: Skorpion on November 14, 2009, 01:00:54 am
Post by: Blargityblarg on November 15, 2009, 12:20:10 am
i.e. the elf, dwarf and human meat sitting around in the hole of shiny good blue stuff?
Post by: Jay on November 15, 2009, 12:31:55 am
I know the three solutions to everything; fun, carp, or magma.
But I can shamelessly plug my link repository.
I have all kinds of stuff there, that might save you having to ask your question. Check it out.
See the link in my signature.
(I was told I don't advertise it enough in this forum..)
Post by: Firnagzen on November 15, 2009, 12:49:06 am
Furthermore, are the bits of humanoids found in some Funhouses edible?
i.e. the elf, dwarf and human meat sitting around in the hole of shiny good blue stuff?
Sadly no. In other news, I am pleased that I was able to outstare your avatar.
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 15, 2009, 02:03:24 am
What am I doing wrong here?
Also, will big piles of items laying around cause a significant performance hit?
Thanks for any answers!
Post by: blue emu on November 15, 2009, 03:56:52 am
What am I doing wrong here?
I thought only your Dungeon Master could tame exotic creatures.
Post by: Grendus on November 15, 2009, 11:51:13 am
What am I doing wrong here?
I thought only your Dungeon Master could tame exotic creatures.
Rhesus Macaques are not exotic, any dwarf can tame them. It's possible you have no food the rhesus monkeys like - though I'm pretty sure it uses a default "food" requirement not requiring meat for carnivores and plants for herbivores, for example. It could be there's no path to them. Try building the cages, I haven't tamed wild animals in a while but that could be the problem.
Well I've had gobbo seiges even on my small fortresses (80 population is very much incorrect, I can say that at least) but still no megabeasts.
Goblins have three triggers in their entity file - population, created wealth, and exported wealth. If you pass any of their thresholds, they siege. So 80 population, massive exported wealth, or massive created wealth will trigger them, not necessarily all three. I'm just guessing you were producing lots of wealth.
Also note that dead dwarves count towards this total. If due to some dwarfy funtm your 80 population fort has 10 live dwarves burying the other 70, the goblins will still be triggered and arriving soon.
Post by: Tirin on November 15, 2009, 12:57:50 pm
I recently acquired a handful of Rhesus Macaques and want to start taming them. I tasked the tame animal task a few times at the kennels and waited. My animal trainer didn't tame any of them, the tasks vanished from the list and none of the captured rhesus' got a tame tag.
What am I doing wrong here?
Which Tame Animal are you using? I often find myself choosing Tame Small Animal, thinking Tame Large Animal is for big stuff like unicorns, bears, or megabeasts. But Small is vermin, Large is everything else.
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Also, will big piles of items laying around cause a significant performance hit?
Thanks for any answers!
Yes, though the values of "big" and "significant" may vary. :D
Just about everything you do adds to what DF has to keep track of. With enough items you'll start to feel it. When and how bad may depend on your computer.
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 15, 2009, 03:40:06 pm
Thanks for the help!
Post by: Blood-Dwarf on November 15, 2009, 05:54:04 pm
will it eventually leave or will it stand there forever?
Post by: hitto on November 15, 2009, 07:12:45 pm
If I melt my metal barrels/bins containing drinks/items, will the dorfs think about pouring/transferring them into another barrel first, (and when they will be mass-designed)? I learned the hard way that dumping the wooden ones is very good cleaning - everything goes.
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 15, 2009, 08:24:32 pm
How can I make them stop?
Post by: kelumhi on November 15, 2009, 11:26:03 pm
Post by: Auldrin on November 16, 2009, 09:46:39 am
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 16, 2009, 09:58:37 am
Stopping champions sparring... put them on duty, they should realise they need to drink.
Tried that but they still won't stop. I've also tried switching out their equipment, dumping their inventory items, and building a workshop on top of them.
I'm gonna try channeling out the floor beneath them when I get home from work later..
Post by: Blood-Dwarf on November 16, 2009, 10:13:26 am
i noticed that there is a murky pool in front of the dragon with a goblin in it.
could this be the reason why it doesn't want to come and chew on my dwarves ???
Post by: Skorpion on November 16, 2009, 12:13:54 pm
Stopping champions sparring... put them on duty, they should realise they need to drink.
Tried that but they still won't stop. I've also tried switching out their equipment, dumping their inventory items, and building a workshop on top of them.
I'm gonna try channeling out the floor beneath them when I get home from work later..
Tossing them in a cave-in works.
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 16, 2009, 01:08:30 pm
I can't tell if this was a lame bug, or if it was my champions pet Camel, Camel McStupid, standing on top of them and pinning them to the ground. ???
I can just imagine the two of them strangling the heck out of eachother while gasping out, "Ahm so thirstah!".
Post by: digitCruncher on November 16, 2009, 03:19:39 pm
"No seeds available for this location"
In an attempt to build an underground farm ... above ground, I think I broke all my farms :(
Normally, if I don't have the seeds available, it still lets me plant them (the wiki says that too!!), but I think that the reason behind the problem is my farm layout:
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The bottom 5x5 farm plot has a sunshade (made out of limestone), and plants and trees are spread out inside the farms ... are any of these the reason why I can't grow food??
Please answer quick!! It is summer, and my dwarves food supplies are growing unnervingly low!!
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 16, 2009, 03:24:30 pm
If above ground, you can only plant above ground crops in that location, and you likely don't have any above ground seeds. I suggest gathering some of them. This will also help with your desperate food shortage.
Post by: Psilobe on November 16, 2009, 05:01:17 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 16, 2009, 05:04:36 pm
Post by: Malicus on November 16, 2009, 05:04:59 pm
This has the answers regarding the dwarf that claimed a workshop.
Post by: Psilobe on November 16, 2009, 05:13:15 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 16, 2009, 05:16:49 pm
Post by: Skorpion on November 16, 2009, 05:57:50 pm
Cave-in worked! Thanks everyone.
I can't tell if this was a lame bug, or if it was my champions pet Camel, Camel McStupid, standing on top of them and pinning them to the ground. ???
I can just imagine the two of them strangling the heck out of eachother while gasping out, "Ahm so thirstah!".
It's a bug. My fortress guards kept doing it, until I undermined the barracks.
Post by: Psilobe on November 16, 2009, 06:02:22 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 16, 2009, 06:03:30 pm
Channel out the tile if it's not constructed.
d -> n
Remove the floor if it's constructed.
Post by: Psilobe on November 16, 2009, 06:07:12 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 16, 2009, 06:11:35 pm
Provided you have a bookkeeper that has done enough work to improve precision, the stocks menu gives a list of every item on your map. It is an excellent tool.
Note that there are two modes, general and specific. Hitting tab switches between the two,
Post by: Psilobe on November 16, 2009, 06:56:17 pm
Post by: digitCruncher on November 16, 2009, 10:57:36 pm
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When you loo'k' over the farm tiles, are they listed as underground or above ground?
If above ground, you can only plant above ground crops in that location, and you likely don't have any above ground seeds. I suggest gathering some of them. This will also help with your desperate food shortage.
They are listed as 'Inside', 'Light' and 'Above Ground'
How do I make it into the damp subterrainian lair I know and love?? Do I need to *surround* it with walls and floors on all edges? I heard somewhere you can turn above ground lairs into subterrainian lairs by building a building around it... but I can't find it anymore.
Post by: Valdoom on November 16, 2009, 11:15:17 pm
Post by: Skorpion on November 16, 2009, 11:57:01 pm
QuoteWhen you loo'k' over the farm tiles, are they listed as underground or above ground?
If above ground, you can only plant above ground crops in that location, and you likely don't have any above ground seeds. I suggest gathering some of them. This will also help with your desperate food shortage.
They are listed as 'Inside', 'Light' and 'Above Ground'
How do I make it into the damp subterrainian lair I know and love?? Do I need to *surround* it with walls and floors on all edges? I heard somewhere you can turn above ground lairs into subterrainian lairs by building a building around it... but I can't find it anymore.
You can't. Once the land is tainted by sunlight, it can never again be considered subterranean. A constructed roof can keep the harmful rays and sickening fresh air away, but it's tainted forever.
Rebuild it where the sun never shines.
That's not a euphemism, by the way. You can't make things subterranean again. Ever. Rebuild your farm where the sun has never shone.
Post by: Firnagzen on November 17, 2009, 08:30:29 am
Post by: Grendus on November 17, 2009, 10:52:00 am
I'm in the 4th year of my fortress. I have over 1 million wealth, over 200,000 exported, 97 dwarves, and I'm in a sinitser area. I've never been seiged... I'm getting bored. Any suggestions on getting some action going?
Kill the human liaison and butcher the trees until the elves send a diplomat, then kill him too. Less trading, more killing, guaranteed.
Post by: toker606 on November 17, 2009, 11:37:16 am
Post by: Skorpion on November 17, 2009, 11:47:15 am
Here's a small one, what can I do to stop my hunters getting slaughtered by packs of wolves when I'm not looking? I like the extra source of food, but usually within a season of one joining my fortress I get a message about him being unconscious, then when I go to check on them they're surrounded and being eaten alive.
Make them super. Train them up in pump operation or milling first, then draft them to spar and use crossbows, and undraft them to hunting before they get to Hero status.
Post by: toker606 on November 17, 2009, 12:15:01 pm
Here's a small one, what can I do to stop my hunters getting slaughtered by packs of wolves when I'm not looking? I like the extra source of food, but usually within a season of one joining my fortress I get a message about him being unconscious, then when I go to check on them they're surrounded and being eaten alive.
Make them super. Train them up in pump operation or milling first, then draft them to spar and use crossbows, and undraft them to hunting before they get to Hero status.
Fair play, I can keep one back in the archery range for a while. One more little one - If I haven't met the requirements to have a king / queen come to my fortress before I've hit the population cap, will they come after this if the requirements are then met?
Post by: 3 on November 17, 2009, 12:19:00 pm
Post by: toker606 on November 17, 2009, 12:28:07 pm
As far as I know (note: do not take as given) they'll show up as part of a migration, so you'll need to be below the cap.
That's what I figure too, but the population cap does seem to be somewhat lax, my last lot of immigrants brought it above the cap by a few, plus my dwarves are still breeding like bearded bunnies.
Post by: Albedo on November 17, 2009, 02:30:00 pm
As far as I know (note: do not take as given) they'll show up as part of a migration, so you'll need to be below the cap.
Don't think that's correct - they show up when a migration would normally happen. If you're at your pop cap, you still get migrant nobles, np.
Post by: toker606 on November 17, 2009, 03:44:02 pm
As far as I know (note: do not take as given) they'll show up as part of a migration, so you'll need to be below the cap.
Don't think that's correct - they show up when a migration would normally happen. If you're at your pop cap, you still get migrant nobles, np.
That's good, I've already started decorating their rooms. :)
Post by: Skorpion on November 17, 2009, 04:11:03 pm
Here's a small one, what can I do to stop my hunters getting slaughtered by packs of wolves when I'm not looking? I like the extra source of food, but usually within a season of one joining my fortress I get a message about him being unconscious, then when I go to check on them they're surrounded and being eaten alive.
Make them super. Train them up in pump operation or milling first, then draft them to spar and use crossbows, and undraft them to hunting before they get to Hero status.
Fair play, I can keep one back in the archery range for a while. One more little one - If I haven't met the requirements to have a king / queen come to my fortress before I've hit the population cap, will they come after this if the requirements are then met?
Yes. They LOVE to push you over the cap.
But yeah, feel free to decorate their rooms with masterwork spikes and artifact mechanisms, with a mysterious lever outside.
Post by: Malicus on November 17, 2009, 05:14:14 pm
Here's a small one, what can I do to stop my hunters getting slaughtered by packs of wolves when I'm not looking? I like the extra source of food, but usually within a season of one joining my fortress I get a message about him being unconscious, then when I go to check on them they're surrounded and being eaten alive.
You could hunt manually with soldiers (as in more than one). This takes more attention, though, and you need a refuse stocktile and dwarves need to be set to gather refuse from outside. If this is all in order, a hauler will run out to retrieve the corpses of the dead animals.
Post by: toker606 on November 17, 2009, 07:27:20 pm
Here's a small one, what can I do to stop my hunters getting slaughtered by packs of wolves when I'm not looking? I like the extra source of food, but usually within a season of one joining my fortress I get a message about him being unconscious, then when I go to check on them they're surrounded and being eaten alive.
Make them super. Train them up in pump operation or milling first, then draft them to spar and use crossbows, and undraft them to hunting before they get to Hero status.
Fair play, I can keep one back in the archery range for a while. One more little one - If I haven't met the requirements to have a king / queen come to my fortress before I've hit the population cap, will they come after this if the requirements are then met?
Yes. They LOVE to push you over the cap.
But yeah, feel free to decorate their rooms with masterwork spikes and artifact mechanisms, with a mysterious lever outside.
I've actually got 2 artifact floodgates I've been looking for a use for, I'll have to see if I can pump the river anywhere near their quarters. :)
Post by: Psilobe on November 17, 2009, 08:59:38 pm
Post by: Skorpion on November 17, 2009, 09:49:14 pm
Otherwise, order and buy from dwarven traders, or harvest from underground shrubs growing on muddy subterranean tiles if you have an underground pool or river.
Post by: Malicus on November 17, 2009, 10:00:03 pm
If your dwarves eat a plant raw or do anything to it other than cooking it, you will recover a seed per plant. If the plant is cooked, the seeds are destroyed. I'm not sure whether or not letting a plant rot destroys the seeds. It's not something you should want to do, anyway. Also, all seeds can be cooked.
If you run out of seeds and their plants (though you should be careful that this doesn't happen), you can sometimes buy more from the dwarven caravan (underground plants) or the humans or elves (aboveground). Aboveground plants can be gathered from bushes on the surface, and if you've struck an underground river or underground pool, bushes of the underground plants will appear in soil or muddy stone underground.
Post by: expwnent on November 17, 2009, 11:42:06 pm
Post by: hitto on November 18, 2009, 07:34:15 am
which plant or plants are the best to use food and how do you acquire more of their seeds when you run out?
Sun Berry, aboveground crop. Plant it, harvest it, brew it, then cook the resulting sunshine - or not.
Post by: Psilobe on November 18, 2009, 09:47:58 am
Post by: Sphalerite on November 18, 2009, 09:50:40 am
If a dwarf falls a long distance (that would normally kill it) into water, then that water is drained quickly so the dwarf doesn't drown, will the dwarf survive?I don't think water actually cushions falls. Not sure though, this calls for experimentation.
Post by: Demetrious on November 18, 2009, 10:04:17 am
So, I just realised that my elf drowner is a temple to armok in all but altar. It seals and floods, and has a whole rack of spikes on constructed soap floors for making the process quicker.
CLEANSE THE XENO
>_>
Post by: expwnent on November 18, 2009, 10:46:31 am
If a dwarf falls a long distance (that would normally kill it) into water, then that water is drained quickly so the dwarf doesn't drown, will the dwarf survive?I don't think water actually cushions falls. Not sure though, this calls for experimentation.
OK, thanks. I'll try it sometime.
Another question: when noise travels 4 tiles or 16 tiles or whatever, is that Euclidean distance (the intuitive distance: as measured by a ruler/tape measurer) or Manhattan distance (sum of the differences of the coordinates: how far it is if you only travel orthogonally)? Or something else?
N...
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If four tiles of noise are generated at N, will there be noise at "?"?
Post by: Magua on November 18, 2009, 10:50:31 am
WTF magma!? Got my magma forge up and running, working. That's awesome, but my smelters say that they need magma underneath on of their 8 boundary points. But I build them according to guides and why does my forge work but not the smelter?
At least one of the 8 squares must not have a floor between the smelter and the magma. That is, you need to be able to see the magma when you're placing the smelter.
Post by: expwnent on November 18, 2009, 11:00:06 am
When dwarves pass each other in a thin hallway, it looks like there's a short delay. Am I imagining this or is it real?
Post by: Sphalerite on November 18, 2009, 11:48:08 am
Post by: Malicus on November 18, 2009, 03:16:47 pm
OK, thanks. I'll try it sometime.
Another question: when noise travels 4 tiles or 16 tiles or whatever, is that Euclidean distance (the intuitive distance: as measured by a ruler/tape measurer) or Manhattan distance (sum of the differences of the coordinates: how far it is if you only travel orthogonally)? Or something else?
N...
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If four tiles of noise are generated at N, will there be noise at "?"?
Noise radiates in a cube (that is, in x, y, AND z), so yes, there will be noise at "?". "?" is actually only 3 tiles away, so there would be noise a further tile out.
http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Noise (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Noise)
Post by: smjjames on November 18, 2009, 03:31:46 pm
Post by: toker606 on November 18, 2009, 06:48:32 pm
Post by: Malicus on November 18, 2009, 07:13:34 pm
Post by: Rowanas on November 18, 2009, 07:55:24 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on November 18, 2009, 08:01:52 pm
Quick one on architectural value, I got into the idea of engraving a little late so I'm fairly unaware of just how much value it adds, so, what would be more valuable in everyone's opinion, a room built of gold blocks, or a room smoothed and (masterfully) engraved out of limestone? Trying to entice some royalty and just tapped into a half dozen veins of gold ore deep underground.
From the wiki, an engraved flux surface has a value of 20 times the item quality, assuming I'm reading it correctly. A legendary+5 skill engraver has a 73.3% chance of making an exceptional (x5) engraving, and a 26.7% chance of a masterful (x12) engraving. This means that, overall, an engraved flux surface by such an engraver has an average value of 137.38. Gold (or steel, which has the same matvalue) blocks, as well as floors and walls constructed out of them, have a value of 150, so it's somewhat better to make a gold block room than an engraved flux one.
However, do note that there is no penalty to building gold block floors or walls over those unfortunate exceptional engravings, so if you don't care how the room looks to you you could just engrave the whole chamber, keep the 240-value masterful engravings, and then build nicer 150-value gold block floors over the 100-value exceptional engravings.
Though, as others have suggested, engraved gold floors and walls have a value of 300xquality, so the more of that you can take advantage of, the better. A pure native gold room engraved by a legend+5 averages 2060.7 per tile, so about 5 tiles is enough to make that room royal, even with plain stone no-quality furnishings.
Post by: Rowanas on November 18, 2009, 08:08:00 pm
Post by: Skorpion on November 22, 2009, 12:29:36 am
Should I do it?
Post by: Hortun on November 22, 2009, 01:28:14 am
Pitchblende trade depot.So I know pitchblende is radioactive in real life, but will it adversely effect dwarves? Or is it just for awesome points?
Should I do it?
Post by: Sheb on November 22, 2009, 02:44:31 am
Also, my pumps are currently powered by a power plant on the river. If it flood with magma, will it stop?
And finally, if I give chain as well as plate mail to my soldiers, will it have any effect beside slowing them down?
Post by: moki on November 22, 2009, 05:55:34 am
You'll have to build pipes as close to the corners as possible for the water to reach them. Or build Walls around the rest of the map, so the water has to flow out over the corners.
Yes, the river will stop flowing when you turn it into massive obsidian via magma. One of the few points of DF that seem very logical ;D If you pour magma on the edge tiles at the source, the river will stop forever and can't be started again, because you can't dig out the edge tiles. If you leave those tiles alone, you can restart it later, when you need it.
Anyway for a solution: Windmills or a floating perpetuum mobile generator. The former is almost realistic and needs a lot of space, the latter sounds very dwarfy and may be considered cheating by some people.
Different kinds of armor can and should be stacked. Works very nicely and the difference in speed is unnoticeable with superdwarfenly agile and strong champions. I only give my soldiers less then three layers of armor (leather, chain, plate) when I don't have enough metal or want to challenge myself.
@Hortun: No, a stone is stone is stone currently. Doesn't matter if it's pitchblende or cinnabar, they're all the same and don't make people sick. You'll have to drown your elves the old fashioned way.
Though i do like exporting all the lovely lead toys and cups and other poisonous stuff to people I don't like, though poisonous minerals are not in the game yet. It's all about roleplaying ;)
Post by: Skorpion on November 22, 2009, 12:59:49 pm
Pitchblende trade depot.So I know pitchblende is radioactive in real life, but will it adversely effect dwarves? Or is it just for awesome points?
Should I do it?
Harmless in DF, but I like the idea of polluting the brook and slowly giving the traders cancer.
Much like I export cinnabar mugs, instruments, crafts, toys, and querns. And will be using pitchblende for it when the dwarves bring more.
Post by: Psilobe on November 22, 2009, 08:44:45 pm
Post by: blue emu on November 22, 2009, 08:47:33 pm
Got a small barrel problem, never have enough to brew drinks and I produce like a million of em, all seems to be full of plants, is there any way to handle my plants and do they reuse em?
You can set the non-drink food stockpiles to accept fewer barrels. You DO keep seperate stockpiles for food (no drinks) and drinks (no food), yes?
Post by: hitto on November 23, 2009, 04:34:54 am
I thought the Home Liaison stopped coming after the king arrived?
Post by: blue emu on November 23, 2009, 05:07:08 am
The King arrived last year (and I still didn't kill him, I'm so proud of my self-control!), but I still have a caravan "from the outer lands"!
I thought the Home Liaison stopped coming after the king arrived?
The Liason stops, yes. The Caravans that you used to get always ran between you and Mountainhome... and now that you ARE Mountainhome, they run between you and the outposts.
Post by: Sheb on November 24, 2009, 07:39:25 am
1: do you know a way to prevent a huge magma flood from turning the first tiles of my river into obsidian? If not, will carving fortification into the Obsidian let the water flow again?
2: Also, is there a efficient (Aka, other than built floor on the whole map) to clean mud? A terrific obsidian landscape with a sea of magma is not as cool if a lush vegetation grow out of the mud.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on November 24, 2009, 01:45:26 pm
2) Magma flood?
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 24, 2009, 03:21:32 pm
Post by: moki on November 24, 2009, 03:30:03 pm
2. More magma :)
Honestly, there is no proper solution. I believe, outside mud will dissappear after a season, though that's not verified. Dwarves with the cleaning labor can remove mud, but I don't know if that works outside and they only do it when there's absolutely nothing else to do anyway.
Stuff grows, just live with it and burn and hack it down from time to time if it bothers you that much.
@Something creative:
Short: No. Wild animals don't actively path, they just wander around randomly. If a predator sees a dwarf on the other side of the river, it will try to use the bridge. A hoary marmot just randomly wandering around could still come too close to the water and be dragged in.
I never saw monsters (carp) attack other monsters (other wildlife)... are you sure, carp ate them?
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 24, 2009, 04:58:14 pm
I've never actually seen the carp attack them, but I keep finding dead foxes on the edge of the river and in the river itself. Lots of blood too.
Post by: NecroRebel on November 24, 2009, 07:08:54 pm
1. Floors can't be built to the very edge... just use a bridge. It doesn't need to be bauxite, it think any fireproof material will do. Or use raised bridges as alternative to walls to wall the edge off (doesn't make a difference, I just find it more beatiful)Are you sure about that? I seem to remember myself building floors over a river in the past, all the way to the edge, specifically to prevent my whole-map-edge-covering magma moat from blocking its flow, and I didn't use bridges for that purpose. If my memory is serving me correctly, that would imply that you're incorrect.
Now, walls cannot be built within 5 tiles of the edge, nor can any other building or construction that blocks pathing. Drawbridges are something of an exception, since they don't block pathing when they're built but do when raised, so they get a pass under the "no path-blocking building" rule.
Post by: Hortun on November 24, 2009, 09:43:19 pm
Post by: Sheb on November 25, 2009, 12:33:34 am
And else, I guess that more magma is the obvious, all-purpose solution. Excuse me for asking :p
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 25, 2009, 01:16:32 pm
Regarding the weather and temperature settings in the init file: which of those enables water evaporation?
Which evaporation are we talking about? The evaporation of surface water due to heat, or the typical evaporation that occurs to 1/7 water?
If the former, I have no idea. It might be weather. Try a year with temp off, weather on, see if murky pools disappear. If not, try temp on weather off.
Post by: stolensteel on November 25, 2009, 11:35:10 pm
1: Is there a way to remove stairs going down? I get tired of building stairs to dig a channel and then being unable to get rid of the access stairs after.
2: Somewhat related to the first question, is there a way to remove all stairs and exits from z-1 and have all dwarves finish safely standing on z=0? That way there won't be a flashing set of stairs in my magma channel?
Post by: Firnagzen on November 26, 2009, 01:22:59 am
Post by: INSANEcyborg on November 26, 2009, 10:20:01 am
2: Somewhat related to the first question, is there a way to remove all stairs and exits from z-1 and have all dwarves finish safely standing on z=0? That way there won't be a flashing set of stairs in my magma channel?
Normally no, but there is a way if you using magma. Get rid of as many stairs/ramps as possible and fill it with magma like normal. Then use water to turn the remaining ones into obsidian. You can leave them as walls or channel them out from above.
Post by: Insignificant on November 26, 2009, 12:42:05 pm
1) How do I start a farm (designated one outside)?
2) Why won't anyone gather the shrubs I designated so I can start a still?
Wait I think it won't build because I need a block for the still?
Post by: NecroRebel on November 26, 2009, 01:02:29 pm
Ok just got it today (literally an hour and a half ago) tried reading the wiki but can't solve such, questions I'm sure are extremly simple and on there.
1) How do I start a farm (designated one outside)?
First, you have to have outdoor plants to start a farm outside. All the seeds you can bring when you first start a fort are underground plants, so they can only be planted underground. So, first, you must dig out a chamber in soil, then (b)uild a farm (p)lot in it. Then, you must have a dwarf with the farming labor active to build it (to activate it or check if it is active on someone, hit v, then scroll over the desired planter, hit p, then l, then use +/-/*// to scroll up and down on that page to the Farming labor, then hit enter to activate it if it is dark grey; white is active). Then, you must select the crop that will be planted during each season, using abcd to switch seasons; I suggest Plump Helmets year-round to start with. Once this is done, your farmer will plant seeds automatically, they will eventually mature to plants, and they will be harvested automatically. Make sure you have a food stockpile for the crops to be moved to!
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2) Why won't anyone gather the shrubs I designated so I can start a still?
Wait I think it won't build because I need a block for the still?
You don't need a block for a still; a wood log or stone will work just as well. To build a still, you use the (b)uild menu, the (w)orkshop submenu, and then the sti(l)l option. You also need someone with the Brewing labor active in order for the construction to actually be carried out.
To gather shrubs, you need someone with the Plant Gathering labor enabled.
Post by: Insignificant on November 26, 2009, 01:07:20 pm
Post by: monk12 on November 26, 2009, 11:26:02 pm
1. Is Friendly Fire on? I'm fairly certain it isn't, but i'm still a bit leery of having my crossbowdorfs fire into melee
2. How far does Line of Sight extend? Do trees and the like reduce/block it? I ask because I detected a goblin ambush from the other side of the map, and the only reason for it I can think of is because I've managed to deforest to the edge in that particular direction.
3. I also believe I've had a Zombie Wolf that was wandering around discover a goblin raid for me. Not entirely sure why though, my only thought being that since zombies are aggressive, their attack on the gob's made them stop sneaking and start fighting.
Post by: immolo on November 26, 2009, 11:27:48 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2009, 11:39:22 pm
3 quick ones from me, and thanks in advance!
1. Is Friendly Fire on? I'm fairly certain it isn't, but i'm still a bit leery of having my crossbowdorfs fire into melee
2. How far does Line of Sight extend? Do trees and the like reduce/block it? I ask because I detected a goblin ambush from the other side of the map, and the only reason for it I can think of is because I've managed to deforest to the edge in that particular direction.
3. I also believe I've had a Zombie Wolf that was wandering around discover a goblin raid for me. Not entirely sure why though, my only thought being that since zombies are aggressive, their attack on the gob's made them stop sneaking and start fighting.
1. No. Dwarves can shoot bolts into a fray and it will only harm goblins. When a dwarf is tantrumming, though, friendly fire might be on, but that's really only a concern with reclaim parties.
2. Line of sight extends for about a twenty tile radius, and it's blocked by trees and such. Ambushing goblins, however, are basically invisible, and can't be spotted within a dwarf's line of sight. They are detected when they get within one or two tiles of another creature.
3. Wild animals detect goblin ambushes, too. It's basically whether any creature not from the goblin civ gets within one or two tiles.
Is there any easy way to effectively train your dwarves to become legendary swimmers? If so would this be a better way to train your dwarfs than the pump gym?
There's no practical advantage in fortress mode to train your dwarves to anything above regular swimmers. That said, there are lots of ways to train swimming, but I don't have any with me on hand. I've never bothered to train swimming, and instead elect to provide ways out of bodies of water so my dwarves don't drown. See what a wiki or a forum search turns up.
Post by: silhouette on November 27, 2009, 03:18:15 am
A dwarven one got ripped apart by a few skeletons.
And an elven one left perfectly fine but are now not returning... (i need them to use as sacrifices for Armoks glorious temple! it has a pit that has gone un-used in the middle as well :()
Also i havnt been attacked by gobbos 'n' that, when do they usually build a civilisation near you? (what i mean is show up on the menu when you press c)
p.s. HOW IN AMROKS NAME DO I MAKE MY FARMERS GROW DIMPLE CUPS!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: NecroRebel on November 27, 2009, 12:38:09 pm
Civilizations will appear on the c screen only after they have actually come to your map. If there is a goblins civilization at all that is not totally blocked off from you, you will get thieves/ambushes/sieges eventually. However, again, it may be that the route to you is difficult, which would slow things.
To grow dimple cups, you need dimple cup spawn. You can embark with them, but they tend to quickly get used up initially to grow the first crop of dimple cups. You then must process the dimple cups to get more spawn; this can only be done by a miller at a millstone or quern. Dimple cups cannot be eaten (at all), cannot be processed into anything but dimple dye, and thus often are never used. They are in fact practically worthless if you don't have a cloth industry, though buying up large quantities of undyed cloth from traders and dying it can be a profitable enterprise in itself.
Post by: darkflagrance on November 27, 2009, 01:02:53 pm
Recently, I charged an army of tentacle demons with an army of 70 dwarves, and had my hammer and axedwarves engage in hand to hand while the marksdwarves just fired into the mess. I got several messages that my axe dwarves had been shot to death, and later I noticed several axedwarves had arrows embedded in their arms and legs. This was before the inevitable tantrumming began of course.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2009, 03:05:47 pm
I've seen tantrumming marksdwarves hit fellow dwarves. Any other time, there's no friendly fire.
Besides, when else would you see a tantrumming marksdwarf other than a reclaim party?
Post by: silhouette on November 27, 2009, 07:51:01 pm
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1. That would explain things... damn mechanics... as in some places i can only get mule/horse traders and no wagon... no path at the sides for the caravan either...
2. so they apear once they land on your map?
Also new questions...
How many trees do i have to chop down before elven adviser dude comes to complain about that?
Post by: NecroRebel on November 27, 2009, 08:48:41 pm
2. so they apear once they land on your map?Yep. I am unclear whether unrevealed ambush parties or thieves will cause the civ to show on the civ screen, but at the very least the instant you've seen a civ member they appear there.
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Also new questions...You need a baron/count/duke first (80 pop, some other stuff; I don't know if the king works if it comes before the other high nobles). Then, an elven diplomat will show up in spring and greet your baron, similar to the humans' diplomat. Afterwards, if you chop a tree, the elves will come the next spring and complain, demanding a lumber limit. If you chop none, the elves will still come, but will only say that they're pleased at you for not murdering any of their precious trees.
How many trees do i have to chop down before elven adviser dude comes to complain about that?
...At least, that's what I've heard/remember. I've been playing with mindlessly hostile elves that become wood logs when they die for a while now, so my memory may be faulty on this matter.
Post by: monk12 on November 27, 2009, 09:50:45 pm
I would like to reduce the number of stray puppies wandering my fortress by putting them all in a cage. However, I'd rather not have to micromanage releasing them when the mature into dogs so that I can train them to rend sweet sweet goblin flesh. If I queue up a train Wardog at my kennel, will the trainer be able to find the dog in question? And if he does, will that dog then be returned to the cage, or will he roam wild and free across the terrifying swamps?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2009, 09:56:32 pm
Micromanaging puppies when they grow old is the only way, unless you want to be creative and make a puppy ranch. This thread (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=45340.15) might give you some useful ideas about keeping animals uncaged but away from your dining room.
Post by: stolensteel on November 27, 2009, 10:26:16 pm
I'm looking for an area with an ocean (for deep water = water pressure), a magma pipe (to mix with the water for obsidian), generally flat land (for a large above ground megaconstruction (easy to find flat land near the ocean) and an underground water source (so I can get underground trees after I clear the entire surface to make room for my temple). I can find the first three together all over the place, but I've never seen underground water near the ocean. Is it impossible for underground water to appear near the ocean? Or is it possible to maybe change some settings in the world generation to make it happen? Or should I just look harder?
Or, even better, does anyone else already have a site like this?
Post by: 3 on November 27, 2009, 10:31:22 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2009, 10:33:41 pm
Post by: stolensteel on November 27, 2009, 10:39:10 pm
~edit~
New question... Is it possible to export the region map of a world that has already been created and played in?
~edit2~
So, I tried making a new world, and wow. Changing the variance and max elevation lead to a string of failures, where it would fail even if it was only required to have 1 peak. So, I took that off. Then it wanted more high elevation. So I decided that having a max of 300 was a bit to low, and set it to 350. Here's to hoping this works! Currently genning a map as I type.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2009, 11:01:07 pm
If you just want world generation information, you can export an image from the main DF menu while playing in a fort.
Post by: Zadiel on November 28, 2009, 01:34:28 am
I looked on the wiki and I'm fairly certain I have at least one of every possible building he could be making an artifact at, even the ones he has zero skill in. I'd rather not lose him to insanity because he's one of my better glassmarkers. Any thoughts?
Post by: 3 on November 28, 2009, 01:40:36 am
Edit: Oh, you edited. This post is now redundant, move along.
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2009, 01:46:25 am
He should be heading to a glass furnace one way or the other. Make sure that none of the items in the shop are forbidden or the furnaces inaccessible, or anything else that might prevent him from using the furnaces.
Post by: Zadiel on November 28, 2009, 02:00:04 am
Post by: silhouette on November 28, 2009, 05:29:35 am
Post by: Malicus on November 28, 2009, 06:15:16 am
Post by: Ubern00b on November 28, 2009, 07:26:13 am
I feel like embarking on a map with no trees, so no wood bolts.
And bone bolts are too much effort to bother with.
Post by: van on November 28, 2009, 11:12:23 am
Post by: nil on November 28, 2009, 01:18:30 pm
Little question guys, can i make my marksdorfs practice with metal bolts?No. They'll still gain experience killing enemies, though.
Can dorfs walk over beds? And if that, can they walk over tables as well?Yes and yes. The only pieces of furniture dwarves can't walk over are statues, floodgates, locked doors, wall grates and windows.
Post by: van on November 28, 2009, 02:01:44 pm
Post by: SomethingCreative on November 28, 2009, 02:11:24 pm
Also, will dwarfs ever die of old age?
Post by: darkflagrance on November 28, 2009, 02:19:11 pm
If my fortress dies to a siege, I'll have the local leader who led it running around inside it when I reclaim or come back as an adventurer. But if I start a new fort, can that same local leader invade that one?
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2009, 03:10:51 pm
Post by: silhouette on November 28, 2009, 06:59:02 pm
If you've playing the latest version of DF, then you're playing the 3D version. In an earlier version, there were no z-levels. I'm told that it was almost like a different game.Ahhh ty, that explains a lot.
Post by: LemmingKing on November 28, 2009, 09:41:36 pm
Post by: Firnagzen on November 28, 2009, 09:48:11 pm
In the next version, though, you'll be able to give kill orders on specific targets.
Post by: LemmingKing on November 28, 2009, 09:53:27 pm
Post by: stolensteel on November 28, 2009, 10:26:43 pm
Do I need to clear the rocks out of the area that I want tower-caps to grow? Or will they grow and just push the rocks away?
If I build farms and then need to expand, how will flooding effect my running farms? Should I deconstruct them before reflooding, or will they be fine?
[shamelessplug]Also, if anyone knows anything about the dark dwarves mod, I have quite a few questions in that thread as well.[/shamelessplug]
Post by: Firnagzen on November 28, 2009, 10:45:32 pm
Rocks cause towercap saplings to stay saplings forever. They'll only mature if you remove the rocks. Also, stepping on the saplings and shrubs too many times kill them.
Put (d,o,r)estricted traffic designations on any growing saplings. Clear the shrubs with the plant gathering, the shrubs you don't want act like weeds. They'll stifle out tower cap growth, because there's a hard upper limit on the number of plants you can have.
Post by: LemmingKing on November 28, 2009, 10:59:18 pm
Post by: stolensteel on November 28, 2009, 11:10:15 pm
Post by: LemmingKing on November 28, 2009, 11:12:21 pm
Post by: silhouette on November 29, 2009, 12:26:17 am
But anyway...
is there any possible thing i can use instead of floodgates with bauxite mechanisms that i can use to block the path of magma ( i want to trap some so i can have magma reach my magma forges and such)
I cant trade for bauxite and im pretty sure there is no bauxite on this map.
Post by: stolensteel on November 29, 2009, 12:30:10 am
Other than that, you could use obsidian blockers. Have a way to drop water on magma to plug a hole, then channel it out later to let it flow again.
Post by: Poot on November 29, 2009, 12:57:17 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2009, 12:58:53 am
What are you trying to put in there?
Post by: Poot on November 29, 2009, 01:13:19 am
Post by: silhouette on November 29, 2009, 01:18:00 am
Someone explain to me so i can understand...
Bridges
What is raise and retract.
What happens if i set it to raise...
What happens if i set it to retract (anyway)
Ive read the wiki and still cant make sense out of it...
Post by: stolensteel on November 29, 2009, 01:31:27 am
Raises: When a bridge is raised, everything on it flies in the direction that it is raised (often to humorous results). While it is raised, it forms an impassible wall on the edge where it raised (so a bridge that raises north creates a wall on its north edge). When it comes back down, anything that is where it is supposed to be is destroyed completely and instantly. The same might also happen for retracting bridges, I've not actually tested it.
Post by: silhouette on November 29, 2009, 02:03:35 am
This will surely make for some humerous stunts...
Now if i could only somhow match it so it looks like tennis...
Naturally the choices of a ball are; cats, elfs or goblins...
Now MORE questions...
How come my dwarfs are idiots and try to go CLEAN the MAGMA...
Post by: stolensteel on November 29, 2009, 03:19:51 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2009, 03:26:39 am
I was trying to place a chestnut finished goods bin in there.
Bins can't be built. You'll have to increase the value of the room some other way.
If I'm on a glacier map with an underground river, can I pump the water to the surface and get infinite ice?
If you do pump it, it won't get very far since the water will just freeze when it touches the outside. If you want infinite ice for, say, an ice tower, bucket brigades are far more practical. Just designate a pond zone where you want a fresh block of ice.
Now MORE questions...
How come my dwarfs are idiots and try to go CLEAN the MAGMA...
They're not trying to clean the magma. They're trying to clean the globs of molten rock that just so happen to have melted from the magma. Mass forbid any stones using d - b - f to prevent dwarves from doing that.
Post by: silhouette on November 29, 2009, 04:26:37 am
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They're not trying to clean the magma. They're trying to clean the globs of molten rock that just so happen to have melted from the magma. Mass forbid any stones using d - b - f to prevent dwarves from doing that.Yeah thought it was something like that...
which brings up how in hell do they know its under there o.o.
Meh..
so, can you tell giant cave spider webs apart from normal spider webs? and to locate them do you have to like chuck a dwarf down a chasm or pit...
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2009, 05:15:20 am
The big spider web that the GCS spins has to be revealed by a creature though.
Post by: Psilobe on November 29, 2009, 03:09:53 pm
Post by: Melancholy Camel on November 29, 2009, 03:36:10 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on November 29, 2009, 04:02:55 pm
Dorks are not picking up weapons, even thou I got some, any ideas why?Have you set them to use weapons? Only soldiers will use weapons normally, though dwarves with the Hunting labor enabled will as well, and woodcutters will carry battle axes. To set a dwarf's weapon preferences, use v, scroll to the dwarf, then use the (p)references menu and the (s)oldiering and hunting submenu. Or, use the (m)ilitary screen and the (w)eapons submenu.
The weapons might also be inaccessible, forbidden, marked for dumping, or marked for melting. Oh, and if you neglected to actually make your dwarves military, remember to activate them through the preferences menu or military screen.
So, i'm playing with the Relentless Assault mod, and i've been having some serious problems with my cats all running out of my fort to go do whatever it is cats do. I've got about seven doors between the main exit they use and the main part of my base that isn't barracks / traps / defenses. Is there any way to stop them besides making all the doors un-pet-passable and then checking it to make sure they don't run out when I do battle?Destroy them all! >:(
There really isn't a good way to do what you want. Making the doors pet-impassible should help, but it isn't 100% reliable since they can slip through when a dwarf does. I've heard that if you chain cats such that every tile in your fort is cat-accessible can clear out vermin without making them wander all over, but that requires stupidly large numbers of cats and ropes, so probably isn't a good idea.
The only other option I can think of is the one I suggested first: killing every cat in your fort. Hey, at least they won't run out of the fort to hunt vermin if they're meat ;)
Post by: Melancholy Camel on November 29, 2009, 04:33:30 pm
Post by: nil on November 29, 2009, 05:04:36 pm
Post by: Kiwi on November 29, 2009, 05:07:04 pm
How do you get out of fast-travel in adventure mode?(besides finding a pack of wolfs)
Post by: nil on November 29, 2009, 05:26:59 pm
Post by: Kiwi on November 29, 2009, 05:37:51 pm
Post by: Insignificant on November 29, 2009, 06:16:49 pm
I have to large vacant wood stockpiles and dwarves designated to solely haul wood there are logs from chopped trees all over yet none get put in a stockpile.
They moved wood plenty fine early on but stopped after around one year.
WHAT GIVES ???
Post by: nil on November 29, 2009, 06:27:47 pm
-stone/furniture taking up the available space in stockpiles
-"Dwarves gather wood" in the (o)rders menu is on
-unhauled lumber isn't designated forbidden or for dumping, "Dwarves Can Go Outdoors" in the orders menu
Also you've got idling dwarves with the wood hauling labor active, right?
Post by: Insignificant on November 29, 2009, 10:33:39 pm
Another quick thing what determines the z-level caravans appear on?
Mine appear halfway up the mountain about 3zlevels up.
They get stuck go psycho and die.
Post by: nil on November 29, 2009, 11:10:03 pm
So generally they shouldn't get trapped, unless something crazy happened like a tree growing to adulthood at just the right moment to block the path (or if you mine or build something in the way).
Also, this means if you smooth a 3-tile path between the map edge and the depot and line it with enough pits, statues, or walls to prevent a wagon from passing though, you can force the wagons to use a single road. Use (D) to check for wagon accessibility.
Post by: Hortun on November 30, 2009, 08:47:56 pm
I had the goods hauled to the depot and on the wiki it said that all of the haulers would be punished once the items leave the map. My question is should I kill the mayor or trap the captain of the guard to where he can't punish things? I don't want to kill the mayor since he's also my broker, but punishing that many haulers could result in a tantrum spiral.
EDIT: I just let them all get beat up. A couple folks died, but my guard captain wasn't that tough.
Post by: silhouette on November 30, 2009, 09:14:18 pm
Post by: Hortun on November 30, 2009, 09:20:56 pm
Is there anyway i can change who my mayor is? other than killing him...No, your leader noble is elected. Gonna have to kill him.
Post by: silhouette on November 30, 2009, 10:17:02 pm
Is there anyway i can change who my mayor is? other than killing him...No, your leader noble is elected. Gonna have to kill him.
What decides the qualities for the election?
Couldnt i just train a dwarf up in those skills? if i can?
Cos i cant really kill him as hes one of my legendary miners.
Post by: stolensteel on November 30, 2009, 10:19:56 pm
Post by: nil on December 01, 2009, 12:14:21 am
What decides the qualities for the election?You can, but the skills in question are social skills which are relatively hard to train up on a given dwarf. The best you can do is turn all the labors off of the one you want to be mayor, so he spends all his time talking.
Couldnt i just train a dwarf up in those skills? if i can?
Cos i cant really kill him as hes one of my legendary miners.
You can also draft a dwarf to make them ineligible for elections.
Post by: atomfullerene on December 01, 2009, 12:54:18 pm
Post by: Kaiser Reinhard on December 01, 2009, 01:09:58 pm
Post by: nil on December 01, 2009, 01:23:43 pm
I don't think this thing about caravans always appearing where they can path to your depot is true. I tried to take advantage of it once by digging a trench 1 space from my border all around the map except for one location. Caravans always appeared on the other side of the trench, in areas blocked in by trees. The walking traders got stuck there, the wagons bypassed the site (even thought my trade depot WAS definitely accessible from the edge of the map). And my migrants always got stuck on the edge too...and the diplomat. It was incredibly annoying, and I dropped the fortress.I make a trade depot road in nearly every fortress I build and have never had a problem... but then I've never gone as far as you're talking about, just something like this (http://mkv25.net/dfma/poi-20134-traderroad). I suspect there was an unsmoothed boulder or something blocking wagon access, which caused everything else--migrants, diplomats, and non-wagon traders may spawn completely at random, given that they will show up even if then entire fort is closed off.
Post by: Skorpion on December 02, 2009, 06:11:45 pm
Should I throw it in the bottomless pit, or the barracks?
Post by: Morsigil on December 02, 2009, 07:08:48 pm
My seed stockpile only has two barrels in it, one of which isn't being used for some reason, while the other has my original seed bag in it, and both are full. Now my plump helmet spawn are covering the floor of that room, and the other barrel is -still- empty.
This is the case even when I have like 17 idlers momentarily.
Post by: SomethingCreative on December 02, 2009, 09:12:55 pm
I followed the digging examples on the wiki for getting a well with flowing water, but I'm getting stagnant water from my current well setup anyway. Could someone please point out what I'm doing wrong? ;D
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Post by: INSANEcyborg on December 02, 2009, 09:34:32 pm
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Post by: Morsigil on December 02, 2009, 09:55:59 pm
^ Do you have enough empty bags for the seeds to be stored in?
I followed the digging examples on the wiki for getting a well with flowing water, but I'm getting stagnant water from my current well setup anyway. Could someone please point out what I'm doing wrong? ;DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
It was the bag thing, as I found out in this other thread I posted: http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=45688.0
I figured since they were going into the barrel that it was a valid storage space. Little did I realize....
It didn't help that my bag kept getting stored in the furniture section (5 levels down) as opposed to the seed section.
Post by: darkflagrance on December 02, 2009, 10:38:38 pm
I captured a titan by accident. It's got a few injuries, and killed a vaulable military dwarf and a dog.
Should I throw it in the bottomless pit, or the barracks?
The barracks. The pit is a waste, unless you later throw goblins in there to be dismembered by the titan.
Post by: Skorpion on December 02, 2009, 11:20:01 pm
I captured a titan by accident. It's got a few injuries, and killed a vaulable military dwarf and a dog.
Should I throw it in the bottomless pit, or the barracks?
The barracks. The pit is a waste, unless you later throw goblins in there to be dismembered by the titan.
Well, I TRIED the barracks. It escaped, killed the philosopher, and was wrestled to death by a recently-recovered champion.
Okay, what the fuck, count?
Seriously. He likes humans for their stature, and cats for their aloofness. I just caught him raiding the dump pile, and making off with a human-sized leather skirt decorated with cat bone.
What the fuck?
Post by: Hortun on December 04, 2009, 12:34:08 am
I know that water runs off the edge of the map, but with sufficient pump-force, is it possible to suck enough water out of an underground (or above-ground) river to fill the entire map up ten z-levels the the base of the fort?
Otherwise I'm just going to have to make the pillar out of bauxite or something and pump the map full of magma.
Post by: Durin on December 04, 2009, 12:45:19 am
I've got a little question. I was planning on starting a mega-project where I have my fortress built almost entirely from glass suspended in the air over the desert on a pillar. Not like a support pillar, but I was just going to surround a thick staircase column with wall.
I know that water runs off the edge of the map, but with sufficient pump-force, is it possible to suck enough water out of an underground (or above-ground) river to fill the entire map up ten z-levels the the base of the fort?
Otherwise I'm just going to have to make the pillar out of bauxite or something and pump the map full of magma.
LOL! Awe inspiring...
Post by: nil on December 04, 2009, 01:01:30 am
I've got a little question. I was planning on starting a mega-project where I have my fortress built almost entirely from glass suspended in the air over the desert on a pillar. Not like a support pillar, but I was just going to surround a thick staircase column with wall.
I know that water runs off the edge of the map, but with sufficient pump-force, is it possible to suck enough water out of an underground (or above-ground) river to fill the entire map up ten z-levels the the base of the fort?
Otherwise I'm just going to have to make the pillar out of bauxite or something and pump the map full of magma.
Short answer: Nope.
Long answer: A river just doesn't have the output, but theoretically with an aquifer you would be able to pump up as much water as you want. It would take an ungodly number of pumps to do what you're talking about, though, and would bring your FPS to around 1-2 no matter what. You're way better off using magma, building a huge wall to hold the water in, scaling it down to a smaller temporary flood the world kind of thing, or building in an ocean/lake.
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Post by: Quantum Toast on December 04, 2009, 12:16:09 pm
If your noble has some bizarre fetishes, that's between him and the dwarven tabloids.I captured a titan by accident. It's got a few injuries, and killed a vaulable military dwarf and a dog.
Should I throw it in the bottomless pit, or the barracks?
The barracks. The pit is a waste, unless you later throw goblins in there to be dismembered by the titan.
Well, I TRIED the barracks. It escaped, killed the philosopher, and was wrestled to death by a recently-recovered champion.
Okay, what the fuck, count?
Seriously. He likes humans for their stature, and cats for their aloofness. I just caught him raiding the dump pile, and making off with a human-sized leather skirt decorated with cat bone.
What the fuck?
Post by: nil on December 04, 2009, 12:45:59 pm
Do rocks drain FPS if they are quantum-stored in one tile?Pretty much, although obviously that makes it easier to atom-smash them (even if you haven't already built one, you could build one below it and channel out the floor to drop the rock into place.
Can i build large rooms with grates/bars as floors when i place a support under every grate/bar that is not on the edge?If I had to guess, I'd say it would but that you'll find it very difficult to get the game to allow you to build past the edges (maybe something with temporary constructed floor scafolding will be necessary). You should try it and report back, for science.Code: [Select](sideview)
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Post by: Zaibusa on December 04, 2009, 01:14:17 pm
Post by: nil on December 04, 2009, 01:30:51 pm
does the magma in a glowing pit refill if it has a connection to the bottom? So that it acts like a magma pipe?
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Post by: Haus Party on December 04, 2009, 02:08:38 pm
Does an underground river exposed to the outside because or erosion count as a underground river for the purpose of growing tower caps?
I'm not certain, but I think so. That's how it worked with an underground pool I had, at least. Once I tapped into it to run a perpetual motion device/mead hall waterfall, I had tower caps growing in my fort.
Now my question: Do I need to worry about my hermit getting strange moods? I've been rushing to acquire a stockpile of whatever he could need just in case--plant cloth, silk cloth, wood, ore, bars, blocks, rough gems, cut gems, bones, but no glass since I can't find sand. But it never even occurred to me that there might be a minimum population required for the even in the first place.
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Post by: Lord Braindead on December 04, 2009, 03:18:27 pm
If I had to guess, I'd say it would but that you'll find it very difficult to get the game to allow you to build past the edges (maybe something with temporary constructed floor scafolding will be necessary). You should try it and report back, for science.
Tried and failed, the grate deconstructs as soon as you remove the scaffolding. Guess i will have to modify the plan for my new
Post by: nil on December 04, 2009, 03:49:03 pm
Tried and failed, the grate deconstructs as soon as you remove the scaffolding. Guess i will have to modify the plan for my newBummer... something likedeathtraptemple to Armok.
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I think i will place some statues on constructed floors on strategic positions around the mosaik and make the wagon path out of bridges so that i can emergencydump the magma or burning people into the magmalake below.
Post by: silhouette on December 05, 2009, 02:10:14 am
THE
ARMOK
How can a muskox give birth where the only two type of its species on the map belong to my dwarves and are both female.
Luckily both of them gave birth and birthed males..
The trip was too far away from the mountain homes to be knocked up.
I blame those damned elves.
Post by: Kaiser Reinhard on December 05, 2009, 02:14:07 am
Does an underground river exposed to the outside because or erosion count as a underground river for the purpose of growing tower caps?
I'm not certain, but I think so. That's how it worked with an underground pool I had, at least. Once I tapped into it to run a perpetual motion device/mead hall waterfall, I had tower caps growing in my fort.
Now my question: Do I need to worry about my hermit getting strange moods? I've been rushing to acquire a stockpile of whatever he could need just in case--plant cloth, silk cloth, wood, ore, bars, blocks, rough gems, cut gems, bones, but no glass since I can't find sand. But it never even occurred to me that there might be a minimum population required for the even in the first place.
Yes. You can only have a strange mood if you have at least 20 dwarves who have never had a strange mood in your fort, I think. I forgot the exact number.
Post by: Haus Party on December 05, 2009, 02:55:24 am
WHAT
THE
ARMOK
How can a muskox give birth where the only two type of its species on the map belong to my dwarves and are both female.
Luckily both of them gave birth and birthed males..
The trip was too far away from the mountain homes to be knocked up.
I blame those damned elves.
If you bought one from the elves, there's your answer. They sold you a knocked up muskox.
Yes. You can only have a strange mood if you have at least 20 dwarves who have never had a strange mood in your fort, I think. I forgot the exact number.
Neat. Thanks. I'm still going to stockpile this stuff, though, because I've changed my vision or this hermit challenge: I have decided to keep him locked away in the mountain, so that while I'm waiting for him to finish the work I've assigned I can use migrants to do neat things on the surface. Currently, I've got 'em building a big dwarven arcology.
Post by: silhouette on December 05, 2009, 03:21:21 am
Then have your dwarf pop up out of the ground and scare the crap out of them...WHAT
THE
ARMOK
How can a muskox give birth where the only two type of its species on the map belong to my dwarves and are both female.
Luckily both of them gave birth and birthed males..
The trip was too far away from the mountain homes to be knocked up.
I blame those damned elves.
If you bought one from the elves, there's your answer. They sold you a knocked up muskox.Yes. You can only have a strange mood if you have at least 20 dwarves who have never had a strange mood in your fort, I think. I forgot the exact number.
Neat. Thanks. I'm still going to stockpile this stuff, though, because I've changed my vision or this hermit challenge: I have decided to keep him locked away in the mountain, so that while I'm waiting for him to finish the work I've assigned I can use migrants to do neat things on the surface. Currently, I've got 'em building a big dwarven arcology.
ooor you could have it so the hermit makes the whole cavern collapse except for one place where the hermit and a lever is that makes the cavern collapse and kills the other dwarves above ground...
Ive tried the hermit challenge before but it never really worked, how can i go about killing those other 6's.
Also, i knew those elves were suspicious!
Ah well, ill just trade their incested offspring BACK to them! haha!
Post by: Haus Party on December 05, 2009, 04:14:38 am
Then have your dwarf pop up out of the ground and scare the crap out of them...
ooor you could have it so the hermit makes the whole cavern collapse except for one place where the hermit and a lever is that makes the cavern collapse and kills the other dwarves above ground...
Ive tried the hermit challenge before but it never really worked, how can i go about killing those other 6's.
Also, i knew those elves were suspicious!
Ah well, ill just trade their incested offspring BACK to them! haha!
I thought about undermining the arcology later on, but I figure that's something to do only when I feel entirely finished with the project. As for killing those other 6, my method was to space it out. I never murdered more than one friend at a time, and those I did murder, I buried. The 7 starters all share a tomb, even as the 7th coffin lies empty.
Post by: silhouette on December 05, 2009, 06:11:07 am
Only if you can be bothered though :P
Post by: Kyronea on December 05, 2009, 06:34:08 pm
Post by: 3 on December 05, 2009, 06:40:00 pm
That doesn't stop you from making a torture pit out of them, though.
Post by: Kyronea on December 05, 2009, 06:43:30 pm
They'll work at 50% effectiveness, just like anything else without a given perc value. So they'll only be as effective as wood, however cool the concept of using glass blades might be.Shoot. Okay then. Thank you.
That doesn't stop you from making a torture pit out of them, though.
Post by: Time Kitten on December 05, 2009, 06:44:01 pm
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Post by: Haus Party on December 05, 2009, 09:24:01 pm
Could you record it in a story told format like with that other hermit dwarf who killed EVERYONE but in the end got killed by a HFS in the end, was pretty anti-climaxtic as i thought it was cheap as how she mined into the pit, meh.
Only if you can be bothered though :P
Eh, it's a little bit late in the fort for that. I've got deep mine shafts extending through the mountain, and I've almost entirely completed my expansive Tower-cap forest/mud farm/personal waterfall/obsidian farming project. Luckily, I have expendable migrants outside to dick around with the magma pump; my hermit just needs to dig the passages and build the safety doors.
Post by: Kyronea on December 06, 2009, 02:02:40 am
Speaking of sand...I accidentally--somehow--dumped a couple bags into my atom smasher smashing area(needed to smash stone to increase FPS) without realizing it(I only saw them in the pile after I activated the smasher) and now I keep getting spammed with "Urist McDwarf cancels collect sand: job item lost or destroyed."
I don't quite get why they keep doing this. There are plenty of bags available.
EDIT: Nevermind; they stopped after I canceled the collect sand jobs.
Post by: Skorpion on December 07, 2009, 12:43:32 am
WHAT
THE
ARMOK
How can a muskox give birth where the only two type of its species on the map belong to my dwarves and are both female.
Luckily both of them gave birth and birthed males..
The trip was too far away from the mountain homes to be knocked up.
I blame those damned elves.
Merchant animals can and will knock up your tame ones.
Post by: silhouette on December 07, 2009, 12:56:06 am
Post by: Skorpion on December 07, 2009, 01:19:03 am
How can I get rid of it, short of tacking it onto a trade as a free gift?
Post by: silhouette on December 07, 2009, 01:38:47 am
Have you reclaimed the site?
have you made sure your dorfs arnt doing what you say? (e..g a dwarf isnt free atm)
Post by: pluckcitizen on December 07, 2009, 01:26:29 pm
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Post by: pluckcitizen on December 07, 2009, 01:30:22 pm
Post by: Durin on December 07, 2009, 07:00:21 pm
Organ damage only becomes visible when an organ is damaged. Specifically, body parts with the [SMALL] or [INTERNAL] tags aren't visible until they've been damaged.
Oh how cool. I had a legend that one of my engravers carved of an elf getting its toe cut off, and I couldn't imagine how in the world that worked. So everyone has toes, they just don't show...
Post by: Skorpion on December 07, 2009, 08:02:21 pm
Have you got the right stockpiles?
Have you reclaimed the site?
have you made sure your dorfs arnt doing what you say? (e..g a dwarf isnt free atm)
Yes, no, and yes. There have been thirty idlers available, not moving it. And they went right onto food hauling when I slaughtered most of the livestock.
I can't trade it, either.
Post by: silhouette on December 07, 2009, 11:54:00 pm
sometimes things can be considered refuse.
Post by: Skorpion on December 08, 2009, 12:35:52 am
Another question. There are two pet cats causing miasmas with dead olms. They're constantly out hunting. How do I murder them without butchering the owner first?
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Or at least get the dwarves to only haul remains from indoors without killing my outdoor refuse haulage, or scampering off to the chasm to haul in dead rats that the 'cave' spiders killed outside?
Post by: silhouette on December 08, 2009, 02:51:35 am
make something like this...
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L is lever
+ is normal tile for your dwarf to stand on
^ is spike traps.
D is door
= is wall
set the lever so only the dwarf with the pets you want to kill can pull it and then order it to be pulled, repeativly, also set it so that the door behind the tile where the dwarf stands on is pet impassible ( that way the pets still path to the owner but cant get through...)
Once the cats are there they should run in and stand on the spike traps, pet impass on the back door as well.
This way the owner will kill his cats!
:D
dwarfy.
Post by: Skorpion on December 08, 2009, 02:21:31 pm
To kill ze cats.
make something like this...
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=L+D^^^D
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L is lever
+ is normal tile for your dwarf to stand on
^ is spike traps.
D is door
= is wall
set the lever so only the dwarf with the pets you want to kill can pull it and then order it to be pulled, repeativly, also set it so that the door behind the tile where the dwarf stands on is pet impassible ( that way the pets still path to the owner but cant get through...)
Once the cats are there they should run in and stand on the spike traps, pet impass on the back door as well.
This way the owner will kill his cats!
:D
dwarfy.
Thankyou!
I shall get to modifying the noble murdering system.
Post by: qoonpooka on December 08, 2009, 02:29:54 pm
Post by: Zaibusa on December 08, 2009, 02:38:25 pm
Because i accidently just killed one in my Fortress without finding any
Post by: nil on December 08, 2009, 03:20:08 pm
So, I know how to build a well and all that. But can you build it +1 Z from the water surface? My "ground floor" is a z level above the brook surface, which means it's two Z up from the tunnel that I'm going to fill with water. I can easily dig a 'water room', but I was hoping to get the well directly in my infirmary.Yes, wells can be pretty much any depth. The deeper they are the longer they take to use (you can actually watch the bucket getting lowered and raised). Some say that deeper wells are worth more, don't know if that's ever been confirmed though.
Post by: qoonpooka on December 08, 2009, 06:28:04 pm
So, I know how to build a well and all that. But can you build it +1 Z from the water surface? My "ground floor" is a z level above the brook surface, which means it's two Z up from the tunnel that I'm going to fill with water. I can easily dig a 'water room', but I was hoping to get the well directly in my infirmary.Yes, wells can be pretty much any depth. The deeper they are the longer they take to use (you can actually watch the bucket getting lowered and raised). Some say that deeper wells are worth more, don't know if that's ever been confirmed though.
I presume this also means that one can simply drill to aquifer from anywhere that's above it and you'll get a functional well. The delay in use is a clever way to limit the depth to something reasonable. Is it faster to have them walk up and down stairs or use the well?
Post by: Quantum Toast on December 08, 2009, 07:45:59 pm
I've not heard of them being worth more before, but I've seen people claim that deeper wells make dwarves happier for some reason.So, I know how to build a well and all that. But can you build it +1 Z from the water surface? My "ground floor" is a z level above the brook surface, which means it's two Z up from the tunnel that I'm going to fill with water. I can easily dig a 'water room', but I was hoping to get the well directly in my infirmary.Yes, wells can be pretty much any depth. The deeper they are the longer they take to use (you can actually watch the bucket getting lowered and raised). Some say that deeper wells are worth more, don't know if that's ever been confirmed though.
Post by: pluckcitizen on December 08, 2009, 08:38:14 pm
Post by: Skorpion on December 08, 2009, 09:31:50 pm
Will buried (dead) dwarves stay in the coffins when you slate them for removal? My champion died and I forgot to make a tomb for him.
Nope. They just shift to the next available one and get hauled there while the coffin is stockpiled.
Just make him a memorial instead, with his favourite materials/items in it.
Post by: pluckcitizen on December 08, 2009, 09:43:16 pm
Will buried (dead) dwarves stay in the coffins when you slate them for removal? My champion died and I forgot to make a tomb for him.
Nope. They just shift to the next available one and get hauled there while the coffin is stockpiled.
Just make him a memorial instead, with his favourite materials/items in it.
So technically, if the only coffin left was the one in his 'tomb' then he would get hauled there?
Post by: darkflagrance on December 08, 2009, 11:32:02 pm
Will buried (dead) dwarves stay in the coffins when you slate them for removal? My champion died and I forgot to make a tomb for him.
Nope. They just shift to the next available one and get hauled there while the coffin is stockpiled.
Just make him a memorial instead, with his favourite materials/items in it.
So technically, if the only coffin left was the one in his 'tomb' then he would get hauled there?
You are correct. You can't resize the resulting tomb though, so he'll be buried in a grave no matter what.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 12:01:31 am
I don't need the dogs for anything else. I'm just using them for meat. They're only wardogs because, well, wardogs can be assigned.
When assigned to a dwarf, do they pathfind, or just follow the dwarf? If they're only pathfinding to stay within x tiles of the dwarf, that's not so bad.
I've got 18 female war dogs. Can that many be assigned to a single dwarf? If not, I could also put a few on the tanner. He's usually nearby at butchery time.
Post by: Inyssius on December 09, 2009, 12:15:19 am
Post by: silhouette on December 09, 2009, 01:08:10 am
Has anyone tried assigning all the wardogs to the butcher? In theory the dogs and puppies will follow him around making butchery much more efficient. If no one knows, I'll apply science.That many can, and the puppies will follow. but i suggest doing this instead.
I don't need the dogs for anything else. I'm just using them for meat. They're only wardogs because, well, wardogs can be assigned.
When assigned to a dwarf, do they pathfind, or just follow the dwarf? If they're only pathfinding to stay within x tiles of the dwarf, that's not so bad.
I've got 18 female war dogs. Can that many be assigned to a single dwarf? If not, I could also put a few on the tanner. He's usually nearby at butchery time.
Make the animal trainer the butcher, that way you dont have to assign them and can then assign them to military dwarves in a time of war.
Post by: Kyronea on December 09, 2009, 01:09:19 am
So would it be worthwhile to have them crosstrain in hammer skill as well as crossbow skill, or would the extra effort not be worthwhile?
Post by: Devast on December 09, 2009, 01:23:55 am
Post by: nil on December 09, 2009, 01:30:34 am
When marksdwarfs enter melee with their crossbows, they utilize hammer skill, correct?Yeah, they use the hammerdwarf skill. Whether its worth training depends mostly on how likely it is your marksdwarves will get involved in melee combat, but if they do its very handy.
So would it be worthwhile to have them crosstrain in hammer skill as well as crossbow skill, or would the extra effort not be worthwhile?
Does the trick to get sand from underground rivers still work?Yes, but not reliably.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 01:41:57 am
I had thought about doing that as well, but it's a bit late for that batch of females.
Not that I'm too worried about using them for the military. I'm playing vanilla DF and the goblins aren't a threat to my fortress. If I didn't want to, I'd never have to go outside again. I've got a huge underground tower cap farm (100x200) and am working on a megatower. I'll be posting VF pictures of it eventually.
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Post by: Kyronea on December 09, 2009, 02:22:37 am
Okay, thank you.When marksdwarfs enter melee with their crossbows, they utilize hammer skill, correct?Yeah, they use the hammerdwarf skill. Whether its worth training depends mostly on how likely it is your marksdwarves will get involved in melee combat, but if they do its very handy.
So would it be worthwhile to have them crosstrain in hammer skill as well as crossbow skill, or would the extra effort not be worthwhile?
On another note, if I build a floor over my aboveground barracks, will that negate the cave adaptation canceling effects it has, or will it be just fine?
Post by: silhouette on December 09, 2009, 02:30:50 am
(well in my version that happens)
Also @ yagrum (morrowind lol)
:O
funny as i was planning the EXACT SAME THING.
well mine will look differnt.
Mine has a few mountains, like 2zlvls only.
in a desert.
i have barely any trees
and am planning on diverting a river into my tower cap farm...
42x81 squares.
That should be enough and i dont need any more ^^.
If i did ild make it much larger as that is only 1/4 of the designated area that can be mined out for further tower cap farms.
Also im planning on making a glass tower in the middle of my desert with a bridge that goes to nowhere and be basically an execution tower.
Aswell as making it spew magma (oh god thats going to be hard, so many pumps...)
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 02:31:46 am
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On another note, if I build a floor over my aboveground barracks, will that negate the cave adaptation canceling effects it has, or will it be just fine?
No, your military will be practicing in a "inside light aboveground" environment. Cave adaption will be fended off because of the "light aboveground" part. Once a tile has been revealed to the sun, it can never be subterranean again. Something about that dratted sun.
You can do the same with your refuse stockpile so dwarves don't have to venture into danger to throw away a XXPig Tail SockXX.
@silhouette - We're building very similar structures. I didn't have any wood when I started and maybe went overboard on the TC farm. Oh well, I'll never be short of wood again.
I also plan on building a huge bridge to the edge of the map. I want to make it the only caravan access point. You might have noticed the green in my tower - the floors are glass. If you look closely, there are some glass statues, too. The tower itself is actually right over the magma pipe, so magma spewing is definitely an option in the future.
And as for the name, I was surprised it wasn't taken. I just switched from "balath" the other day. I usually use the name "Balathustrius," from a relatively obscure video game, but there's already a very active one on these boards. To use the short version seemed a bit cheap, so I switched.
Post by: Particleman on December 09, 2009, 02:48:38 am
Post by: silhouette on December 09, 2009, 02:50:17 am
I still dont have any beds except the ones in my barracks lol.
Mine wont be over the magma p- wait a minute...
Actually it will.
what the hell.
Serriously what the hell.
The place where im planning it is pretty much exactly over the magma pipe, just a bit below.
if you under stand what i mean.
I was planning on making some sort of flinging tower.
Like have a bridge 2 z levels above a bridge and sort of time it so one bridge retracts while the other expands so it hits the thing im falling.
Going to be insane to actually make it work if it does work.
Yeah should be good for 10 drinks, your dwarves drink like 1 per drinking session, and they need it like daily, its best to just set your manager to continually order drinks to be brewed.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 02:50:53 am
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A healthy adult dwarf consumes approximately 18 units of drink per yearFor more information.
http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Drink#Consumption
@silhouette
There was zero wood on my map. It all initially came with me from embark or from traders. This is the fortress in which I had lost 25 dwarves by the time my population was 50. Most of those were related to lack of wood. There was a bit of a tantrum chain (not quite a spiral) that started with a moody dwarf going berserk over not having any wood. Everyone was already on edge, of course, because they didn't have beds and several other dwarves had gone insane already for not having wood.
To make life even better, while digging my tower cap farm I
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Somehow, I survived all that to get to work on the tower that will look oh-so-dramatic against that mountainous background.
Post by: NecroRebel on December 09, 2009, 02:59:57 am
First, what is more valuable: fire imp soap blocks, or platinum/aluminum blocks? I think I'm interpreting the wiki correctly in that the imp soap is worth 250 each while the precious metals cap out at 200, but I've never made soap before.
Second, if I were to dump a large quantity of water on top of the surface of an already-full lake (as in, one connected to the edge of the map), would the extra water vanish out the map edges, or sit on top? I want to flood my whole map many z-levels deep, and I'd rather know whether I need to seal the surface of my lake with hidden bridges before I try to fill.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 03:04:43 am
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I were to dump a large quantity of water on top of the surface of an already-full lake (as in, one connected to the edge of the map), would the extra water vanish out the map edges, or sit on top?
It will drain off the edge of the map eventually, regardless of where you dump the water. If it comes into contact with an edge, it will drain off. If you want to flood your map many z-levels deep, you'll have to wall/drawbridge off the edges.
I've never made soap, but I bet the wiki is right. The value of an aluminum block (I just checked my game) is 200☼. So I bet it's the fire imp soap if you did the math right. I don't know the value of fire imp fat.
Post by: Kyronea on December 09, 2009, 03:15:53 am
Ah good. I knew about the not changing back to subterranean, but just wasn't sure if "Inside light aboveground" would keep them, somehow, from not cave adapting. Since it doesn't, I shall give them a roof. Thank you.QuoteOn another note, if I build a floor over my aboveground barracks, will that negate the cave adaptation canceling effects it has, or will it be just fine?
No, your military will be practicing in a "inside light aboveground" environment. Cave adaption will be fended off because of the "light aboveground" part. Once a tile has been revealed to the sun, it can never be subterranean again. Something about that dratted sun.
You can do the same with your refuse stockpile so dwarves don't have to venture into danger to throw away a XXPig Tail SockXX.
Post by: silhouette on December 09, 2009, 03:52:11 am
Can towercaps grow when there is stone on the tile.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 04:14:25 am
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Can towercaps grow when there is stone on the tile.
That's a negative, they cannot. You've got to clear it all out. If you don't want the work, dig out the TC farm area in soil or sand. If you don't have any of that, you can use any of the techniques on this page:
http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stone_management
I tend to build a few drawbridges and use them for atom-smashing. If I'm near a pit of some sort (magma pipe, chasm, bottomless pit) I might chuck them down there instead, depending on dwarfpower and distance.
My own question
How the heck do I make a hyperlink in my post? A word that can be clicked instead of a URL.
Post by: silhouette on December 09, 2009, 04:46:22 am
Nah ild rather keep all the stone intact in little corners to use later..
Ild rather expand on what my sig says..
The damn fortress of rock crafts.
Post by: pluckcitizen on December 09, 2009, 08:51:04 am
Post by: Zaibusa on December 09, 2009, 09:41:04 am
Do Zombie Giant Cave Spiders create a Web?
Because i accidently just killed one in my Fortress without finding any
new day, new chance
Post by: expwnent on December 09, 2009, 10:06:25 am
And as for the name, I was surprised it wasn't taken. I just switched from "balath" the other day. I usually use the name "Balathustrius," from a relatively obscure video game, but there's already a very active one on these boards. To use the short version seemed a bit cheap, so I switched.
(Lords of Magic ftw)
Post by: FlexibleDogma on December 09, 2009, 11:08:59 am
My own question
How the heck do I make a hyperlink in my post? A word that can be clicked instead of a URL.
I link to google. (http://www.google.com)
Code: [Select]
[url=http://www.google.com]I link to google.[/url]
Post by: NecroRebel on December 09, 2009, 12:31:28 pm
It will drain off the edge of the map eventually, regardless of where you dump the water. If it comes into contact with an edge, it will drain off. If you want to flood your map many z-levels deep, you'll have to wall/drawbridge off the edges.I did know that, though it was very late last night so I guess I didn't indicate that. I guess what I'm wanting to ask is whether the lake edge-tiles will eat water like normal edge tiles, since they're also water sources?
I suppose I'll just have to seal over the original lake top with bridges, hide them, and then build the drawbridge-wall around the edges. Yet another complication to the project ::)
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 04:11:50 pm
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What are the benefits to playing multiple fortresses in the same world gen besides the ability to reclaim fortresses later and to be able to visit them in adventure mode?
Right now, I'm not sure I can think of anything mechanical. I think you can get engravings in new fortresses of your old exploits.
This is a feature that will become more fun the longer you play. It means that losing isn't losing.
I try to think of this game not as a world generator, but as a story generator, to paraphrase something I saw posted on this forum.
Edit: As the game develops, I think there'll be more and more incentive to use the same world.
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(Lords of Magic ftw)
Yup.
I link to google. (http://www.google.com)Code: [Select][url=http://www.google.com]I link to google.[/url]
Thanks so much. I thought I tried that, but I must have botched my attempt.
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I guess what I'm wanting to ask is whether the lake edge-tiles will eat water like normal edge tiles, since they're also water sources?
I don't know the answer to that, but I'll second your question.
Post by: Skorpion on December 09, 2009, 05:32:20 pm
He won't try and mandate pig iron barrels, will he?
I mean, I don't want to have to kill him. He's easy to please.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 06:34:09 pm
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He won't try and mandate pig iron barrels, will he?
I've never had a noble mandate a particular item out of a material that it can't be made from. If they want something bismuth or pig iron, I've always just seen "pig iron items (x/x)."
That's just personal experience, though.
Post by: New Messages on December 09, 2009, 06:48:03 pm
I just downloaded the game, and generated a world. I found a place that looks like a nice place to start (warm, next to a river, calm), but I have no idea what would be the best way to prepare the game (specialize the dwarves, supplies to bring, etc), and would thank you if you could give me a list of sugestions.
Also, I tried starting the game, but couldn't do a thing. I have no idea how to make the dwarves build walls, mine, build roofs, or do anything. I tried assigning some simple orders to try to learn how to make them do stuff, but they didn't do any of them. Can anyone help me with that? I checked the stickied begginer's tutorial thread, but it was more like a walkthrough, so, I decided not to use them.
Also, I've heard there's a tileset that makes the game easier to understand. Can anyone give me a safe and relyable download link?
thanks in advance.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 07:03:43 pm
If your dwarves won't do what you order done, make sure you have the corresponding labor turned on for at least one dwarf. To get to the labor screen, select a dwarf with the [v] key, press [p], then [l] (lower case L). If you want someone to dig, make sure they have mining turned on (and they have access to a pick!). The wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Main_Page) has listings for every profession and the associated labor (not all of them are obvious).
On the wiki you'll also find articles that tell you how to start your first fortress. Don't worry if they come off as a walkthrough - there's no way to really write a walkthrough for this game. It's too open. And trust me, You'll either lose or abandon your first fortress. Either way, when you start a new one you'll quickly realize how much you learned about fortress design and efficiency when you begin digging your second (and third, fourth, and fifth).
I used this article (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Your_first_fortress) to get started. It was just informative enough to avoid feeling like a walkthrough, but it helped me make good initial decisions.
Post by: pluckcitizen on December 09, 2009, 07:04:47 pm
Post by: nil on December 09, 2009, 07:13:19 pm
I hope i'm not breaking any rules, but I have a few questions.There's a prepacked graphics set here: http://mayday.w.staszic.waw.pl/df.php
I just downloaded the game, and generated a world. I found a place that looks like a nice place to start (warm, next to a river, calm), but I have no idea what would be the best way to prepare the game (specialize the dwarves, supplies to bring, etc), and would thank you if you could give me a list of sugestions.
Also, I tried starting the game, but couldn't do a thing. I have no idea how to make the dwarves build walls, mine, build roofs, or do anything. I tried assigning some simple orders to try to learn how to make them do stuff, but they didn't do any of them. Can anyone help me with that? I checked the stickied begginer's tutorial thread, but it was more like a walkthrough, so, I decided not to use them.
Also, I've heard there's a tileset that makes the game easier to understand. Can anyone give me a safe and relyable download link?
thanks in advance.
For embark, you need food, booze, at least one axe and pick, a least one skilled brewer, mason, miner, grower, and cook, seeds and an anvil. Bringing dogs is a good idea, too, you can train them to fight for you. More info here: http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Starting_build_design
As far how to actually play... To mine, hit (d), (d) then use either the mouse or the cursor to designate what to dig out. Note that you'll need to dig specific structures to change a z-level (up or down). To build most stuff, you'll need workshops. For example, to build a mason's workshop you would do (b), (w), (m), then place it. After your mason has built it, you hit (q) and move the cursor over the workshop; from here you can make statues, tables, doors and other items to be placed later. To build a wall, do (b), (c), (w); you'll need to have mined some stone to do this. One more important thing--if something isn't building, you can use (t) or (q) and move the cursor over it to see why. If it says "construction inactive" in yellow text, it's probably not working because no available dwarves are assigned the necessary labor. Find a dwarf who isn't doing anything, hit (v), move the cursor over him, hit (p), (l), then use (+) and (-) to select the needed labor (more often than not its masonry, the thing you want built should tell you what's needed with (q) ) and hit enter. He should start working pretty quick.
Other than that, just use the tutorial. I know you're probably all about building a totally unique and personalized fortress right now, but there will be plenty of time for that once you know what you're doing.
(I see I have been beaten! Posting anyway!)
Post by: New Messages on December 09, 2009, 07:17:33 pm
Welcome New Messages. Welcome to the learning cliff. It's so much Fun.Thank you very much for your answer. I won't have time to test it right away, so, I can't tell if this is going to be enough to solve my problem, but if I test it and it doesn't work, I will post here again.
If your dwarves won't do what you order done, make sure you have the corresponding labor turned on for at least one dwarf. To get to the labor screen, select a dwarf with the [v] key, press [p], then [l] (lower case L). If you want someone to dig, make sure they have mining turned on (and they have access to a pick!). The wiki (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Main_Page) has listings for every profession and the associated labor (not all of them are obvious).
On the wiki you'll also find articles that tell you how to start your first fortress. Don't worry if they come off as a walkthrough - there's no way to really write a walkthrough for this game. It's too open. And trust me, You'll either lose or abandon your first fortress. Either way, when you start a new one you'll quickly realize how much you learned about fortress design and efficiency when you begin digging your second (and third, fourth, and fifth).
I used this article (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Your_first_fortress) to get started. It was just informative enough to avoid feeling like a walkthrough, but it helped me make good initial decisions.
Oh, and I know I will probably abandon my first fortress... from what I heard, it's impossible to play this game without the mindset that losing is fun.
EDIT: Nil, thank you for your answer as well. It will help a lot.
Post by: Skorpion on December 09, 2009, 08:00:00 pm
On duty or off, they seem to have a magnetic attraction to a far-away spot near the magma pipe. There's nothing THERE for them to be picking up, so what could they possibly be doing?
Two have done it, so far. No job listed other than 'soldier'.
Post by: silhouette on December 09, 2009, 08:28:35 pm
My military keep wandering off on their own!Is there any creatures there?
On duty or off, they seem to have a magnetic attraction to a far-away spot near the magma pipe. There's nothing THERE for them to be picking up, so what could they possibly be doing?
Two have done it, so far. No job listed other than 'soldier'.
are they set to harras dangerous creatures?
is there hidden items there?
Sometimes dwarves are ncei eough to tell you to chuck them into the lava.
Post by: Skorpion on December 09, 2009, 08:32:46 pm
Post by: nil on December 09, 2009, 08:36:58 pm
No creatures there, set to harass but it's halfway across the damn map, checked for hidden items but nothing there.Maybe you accidentally set a patrol point there (I do this all the time)? Try (x) while in the squad menu.
Post by: silhouette on December 09, 2009, 09:08:24 pm
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 09:53:56 pm
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on December 09, 2009, 10:56:12 pm
That would be quite neat.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 09, 2009, 11:39:36 pm
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What happens if you burn wooden weapons/armor from dear elves with magma? Does it become ash, once magma is drained?
I'm pretty sure it just disappears.
Post by: Skorpion on December 10, 2009, 01:34:48 pm
They only ever seem to do it alone.
Post by: Jake on December 10, 2009, 05:42:08 pm
1. Do pressure plates have to be built on a floor tile, and would a support underneath them act as one if they do?
2. Do dumped items dropped over a precipice injure anyone standing where they land?
3. I forgot to add a CRITBOOST tag to a custom weapon. Will it screw anything up in my newly generated world if I add it in now?
Post by: qoonpooka on December 10, 2009, 06:00:47 pm
My military keep wandering off on their own!
On duty or off, they seem to have a magnetic attraction to a far-away spot near the magma pipe. There's nothing THERE for them to be picking up, so what could they possibly be doing?
Two have done it, so far. No job listed other than 'soldier'.
Are they going to a water supply?
Mine seem do that too, but I followed them at it once and it's because they're going for water (though not at the nearest point).
Post by: NecroRebel on December 10, 2009, 06:05:39 pm
Okay, here's a couple:
1. Do pressure plates have to be built on a floor tile, and would a support underneath them act as one if they do?
Pressure plates do need to be on a floor tile, but you can build a support, build a floor tile on top of the support, and then build the pressure plate on top of the floor tile on top of the support.
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2. Do dumped items dropped over a precipice injure anyone standing where they land?No.
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3. I forgot to add a CRITBOOST tag to a custom weapon. Will it screw anything up in my newly generated world if I add it in now?It shouldn't.
Post by: Skorpion on December 10, 2009, 06:39:53 pm
My military keep wandering off on their own!
On duty or off, they seem to have a magnetic attraction to a far-away spot near the magma pipe. There's nothing THERE for them to be picking up, so what could they possibly be doing?
Two have done it, so far. No job listed other than 'soldier'.
Are they going to a water supply?
Mine seem do that too, but I followed them at it once and it's because they're going for water (though not at the nearest point).
No water source there.
Also, is there any way to cure cave spider bites?
Post by: smjjames on December 10, 2009, 06:44:18 pm
Post by: Skorpion on December 10, 2009, 07:17:50 pm
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 10, 2009, 11:55:00 pm
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on December 11, 2009, 05:56:07 am
Will it actually destroy items if a dwarf takes it for a pet?
Also, what happens if I drop enemies onto activated spear traps? Will they take damage, or does that only apply to when they are "triggered"?
Post by: Sphalerite on December 11, 2009, 09:09:24 am
Post by: pluckcitizen on December 12, 2009, 08:25:30 pm
Post by: nil on December 12, 2009, 09:39:36 pm
How do I look up the legends of a region while I have a fortress active?There isn't really a way to do that, but you can copy your save file (in data/save), then abandon your fortress in the copy and go into legends mode normally.
Post by: Skorpion on December 12, 2009, 10:00:47 pm
Post by: silhouette on December 13, 2009, 12:08:31 am
Post by: Skorpion on December 13, 2009, 01:13:14 am
I'm holding off because it'll melt all the grates.
Right now, I'm just happy it works as I wanted it to, and doesen't fill up like a bowl.
Post by: Kethas on December 13, 2009, 01:52:06 am
Post by: NecroRebel on December 13, 2009, 02:08:09 am
How can I design an animal pen that doesn't let all the creatures therein scatter whenever a dwarf enters to take one out to slaughter? I've almost exclusively farmed for my food up to now and am new to fencing in animals. I've read http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Meat_industry and understand how you could use pits to drop animals into an enclosed space to save room/FPS, but it doesn't address the problem of the animals being freed once a dwarf opens the door to take one out.The best solution to livestock FPS issues is with a 3-level system.
The top level is just open space, designated as a pit, so you can drop creatures in.
The second level down has no floors, but instead has 3-4 retracting bridges covering what is otherwise open space. All doors into this chamber are forbidden (not pet-impassible, but actually forbidden) or sealed with constructed walls. Essentially, the only way in is to get tossed in from above, and the only way out is to get dropped when one of the bridges retract.
The bottom level of this setup has a butcher's shop, all doors leading into it are pet-impassible, and a number of levers, each of which is linked to exactly one of the bridges above.
Essentially, you drop animals into the pit/pen, they cannot path anywhere so they don't and don't eat much FPS, and then you periodically drop 1/3 or 1/4 of the herd for slaughter, depending on whether you have 3 or 4 bridges as the holding pen's floor. Basically, you solve the problem of animals getting out when a dwarf comes in to get them by never having a dwarf come in and get them.
You can even do a similar alternative setup for untamed animals, where instead of it being a 3-level setup with the pen 1 level above the butcher's shop you have the pen 8 or 9 levels above the butcher so the animals fall to their deaths when the bridges retract.
Post by: Kethas on December 13, 2009, 02:14:49 am
You can even do a similar alternative setup for untamed animals, where instead of it being a 3-level setup with the pen 1 level above the butcher's shop you have the pen 8 or 9 levels above the butcher so the animals fall to their deaths when the bridges retract.
*snerk*
Definitely the dwarfy solution. Hrm... do falling objects injure dwarves? i.e. the butchers patiently waiting below?
Post by: NecroRebel on December 13, 2009, 02:17:41 am
Well, no. In fact, if a creature falls onto another creature, neither is harmed. So in that case having the butcher wait below is probably a bad idea, as the dwarf will turn into a cushion for the falling creatures, the falling creatures won't die, and then the dwarf will get interrupted due to being too close to a wild animal.You can even do a similar alternative setup for untamed animals, where instead of it being a 3-level setup with the pen 1 level above the butcher's shop you have the pen 8 or 9 levels above the butcher so the animals fall to their deaths when the bridges retract.
*snerk*
Definitely the dwarfy solution. Hrm... do falling objects injure dwarves? i.e. the butchers patiently waiting below?
In that case it's actually better to have the "landing zone" be a refuse stockpile so the corpses don't have to get hauled to one so the butcher's shop will autoquene a butcher job immediately.
Post by: Amalgam on December 13, 2009, 03:09:08 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 13, 2009, 03:12:46 am
For tiles beneath the aquifer, I think as long as you don't dig out the damp tiles, there won't be any flooding. But it's still a hazard regardless. Best suggestion I have is to mark the aquifer layer and the layer below it as no dig zones. And the layer below that as no ramp zones.
Post by: Amalgam on December 13, 2009, 03:23:42 am
It will be marked as damp.Ahh, thanks. :) I'll probably use the level two levels below the aquifer for a mine then.
For tiles beneath the aquifer, I think as long as you don't dig out the damp tiles, there won't be any flooding. But it's still a hazard regardless. Best suggestion I have is to mark the aquifer layer and the layer below it as no dig zones. And the layer below that as no ramp zones.
Post by: Silent on December 13, 2009, 05:11:47 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 13, 2009, 05:16:58 am
I think that only three cats can adopt a single owner, though, and they only adopt people that like cats.
Post by: moki on December 13, 2009, 05:25:41 am
Or use magma. Or carve a fortification in one side and fire a ballista through it. Or use your kitten-pit of doomtm to dump poor, helpless goblins. So many possibilities... :)
As for the aquifer: Digging out the layer right below will make it flood. And because of water pressure, anything to the aquifer level will fill up. Fun.
Post by: Haus Party on December 13, 2009, 02:33:45 pm
Anyways, I now have a Titan in a cage and I'm not sure how to dispose of him. I lack magma, so that easy answer is gone. I set the cage up in a flooding chamber, but that's had no luck--somehow, the bastard is fine. Do I need to deconstruct the cage for him to start drowning? I'd rather not do that unless it's a sure thing. Don't know what sort of damage he could do before I could get him back into a cage, after all.
e: She, not he. I have a gigantic woman in a cage. That's someone's fetish, but unfortunately not mine.
Post by: Simmura McCrea on December 13, 2009, 02:36:01 pm
So I got attacked by my first Titan. No biggie. Called my dwarves inside and waited for him to hit the cage traps. Bastard mauled my grizzly bear my cougar, and a bunch of wolves first, though.Hook the cage up to a lever. Fill the room, then pull the lever. Obviously, don't put the lever in the same room.
Anyways, I now have a Titan in a cage and I'm not sure how to dispose of him. I lack magma, so that easy answer is gone. I set the cage up in a flooding chamber, but that's had no luck--somehow, the bastard is fine. Do I need to deconstruct the cage for him to start drowning? I'd rather not do that unless it's a sure thing. Don't know what sort of damage he could do before I could get him back into a cage, after all.
Post by: Haus Party on December 13, 2009, 02:36:36 pm
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on December 13, 2009, 04:15:47 pm
Instead of "Hammerflickers", can I make it randomly generate "of's" and "the's"?
Post by: nil on December 13, 2009, 10:25:17 pm
Can you add additional parameters to the name generator for group/fortress?Not only can you do that, but you can pick your own name. Hit (F) when you're in the "prepare for the journey carefully" screen.
Instead of "Hammerflickers", can I make it randomly generate "of's" and "the's"?
Post by: Kethas on December 14, 2009, 12:44:00 am
2) Can I assign tombs to already-dead dwarves?
Non-dwarf-specific dining rooms and bedrooms, say, have obvious uses, but I'm curious about tombs. Previously I'd just used a single huge room with many, many coffins marked for 'b'urial, but I'd like something more ornate this time.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 14, 2009, 12:49:40 am
2. No.
But dead dwarves don't care about the value of their tombs, so just build a monument or something.
Post by: Kethas on December 14, 2009, 01:01:59 am
Part of my wanting to set up tombs for dwarves was to include a chest/cabinet so that, I thought, the dwarf's clothes would be tidied up instead of lying around and/or going back into a Finished Goods stockpile. My interest isn't limited to clothes, though, I'm also curious how it affects, say, owned items in the now-dead-dwarf's chests/cabinets.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 14, 2009, 01:04:02 am
If a dwarf dies and is not assigned a tomb, his belongings goes to his next of kin. If he has none, they belong to the fortress.
Post by: atomfullerene on December 14, 2009, 01:09:36 am
Post by: Kethas on December 14, 2009, 01:36:21 am
Post by: nil on December 14, 2009, 01:52:48 am
I want to embark over an underground road, preferably dwarven. But I can't seem to find any (I changed the init settings so I should be able to see them...I can see HFS, ect, so the other changes worked). The entity files say dwarves can build them too. Any suggestions?Look for large dwarven civs; they have to be pretty developed to start building tunnels. It's difficult at best to tell tunnels from roads on the worldmap; your best shot is to look for ones that bisect mountain regions.
Why am I getting caveins while mass-designating ramps to lower large flat areas by one (or more, successively) z-level? I've checked there are no trees above the level I'm designating the up-ramps on to interfere with digging.Workshops, furniture, and stockpiles will do the same thing. Maybe something like that?
Post by: Kethas on December 14, 2009, 02:01:45 am
Why am I getting caveins while mass-designating ramps to lower large flat areas by one (or more, successively) z-level? I've checked there are no trees above the level I'm designating the up-ramps on to interfere with digging.Workshops, furniture, and stockpiles will do the same thing. Maybe something like that?
Nope. This was far away from my fortress; I'm positive the terrain one z-level up was a) flat b) empty, e.g. no trees. The particular instance that prompted this post was in a wooded biome but I've had it happen in mountain biomes (with no trees) as well.
Post by: nil on December 14, 2009, 02:26:06 am
Perhaps a sapling grew into a tree at the last moment, when you weren't looking. Or maybe an ant hill? :-\Why am I getting caveins while mass-designating ramps to lower large flat areas by one (or more, successively) z-level? I've checked there are no trees above the level I'm designating the up-ramps on to interfere with digging.Workshops, furniture, and stockpiles will do the same thing. Maybe something like that?
Nope. This was far away from my fortress; I'm positive the terrain one z-level up was a) flat b) empty, e.g. no trees. The particular instance that prompted this post was in a wooded biome but I've had it happen in mountain biomes (with no trees) as well.
I've heard people talk about a bug that causes random cavings with ramps, but honestly I've done a lot of digging that way and every cave-in I've ever had was my own fault. I can be very easy to miss something... Do you have a save/picture of the area before you dug it out?
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on December 14, 2009, 02:27:56 am
If a dwarf is assigned a tomb, all his possessions will go in there when he dies, if all of them can fit. He will still own them.
If a dwarf dies and is not assigned a tomb, his belongings goes to his next of kin. If he has none, they belong to the fortress.
I experimented with this excessively, and here are the results:
- On death, without a tomb, a dwarf loses the possession of everything he had. Everyone gets a sock.
- On death, with a tomb, a dwarf will retain possession of any clothes they have, which will be delivered into the tomb... onto the floor. One item at a time.
- To compensate for that, you can put cabinets in tombs. You need 2 cabinets for an average dwarf's clothing set.
- Armor and weapons never get ownership, so dwarves never get to keep them.
- Theoretically speaking, any "trinket" possessions (ie. mugs) should be stored in a chest, but I haven't seen that happen yet
Also, on ramps, are ramps considered vertical support? I thought they were anything but that.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 14, 2009, 02:44:24 am
Post by: silhouette on December 14, 2009, 02:58:42 am
Any possible way to do this without playing fortress mode on a 2x2 site and letting the game play for days on end?
Post by: NecroRebel on December 14, 2009, 03:08:23 am
How do i advance time in a worl thats already been genned, i want to fast forward 50 years into the future.Start a fort, then abandon immediately. Repeat 50 times. Each fort is founded at the beginning of the 1st of spring, so if the very beginning of the first of spring has already begun in a year due to another fort being founded and abandoned, it'll move to the next year.
Any possible way to do this without playing fortress mode on a 2x2 site and letting the game play for days on end?
Mind you, I'm pretty sure that world-gen-type events, like wars, megabeast raids, births, and whatnot don't actually happen after world gen finishes, so it won't do you much good.
Post by: silhouette on December 14, 2009, 03:47:28 am
World gen type events should continue after it finishes.
World really make the game more intresting.
Post by: darkflagrance on December 14, 2009, 05:00:08 am
How do i advance time in a worl thats already been genned, i want to fast forward 50 years into the future.Start a fort, then abandon immediately. Repeat 50 times. Each fort is founded at the beginning of the 1st of spring, so if the very beginning of the first of spring has already begun in a year due to another fort being founded and abandoned, it'll move to the next year.
Any possible way to do this without playing fortress mode on a 2x2 site and letting the game play for days on end?
Mind you, I'm pretty sure that world-gen-type events, like wars, megabeast raids, births, and whatnot don't actually happen after world gen finishes, so it won't do you much good.
It should make moss grow on the wall of your abandoned fortresses though.
Post by: Amalgam on December 14, 2009, 05:22:55 am
Post by: atomfullerene on December 14, 2009, 11:38:31 am
Post by: assimilateur on December 14, 2009, 11:41:36 am
Can you add additional parameters to the name generator for group/fortress?Not only can you do that, but you can pick your own name. Hit (F) when you're in the "prepare for the journey carefully" screen.
Instead of "Hammerflickers", can I make it randomly generate "of's" and "the's"?
I know you can pick your own name, but assigning parameters to newly randomized names is new to me. I think he's specifically looking for the game to generate random names that are longer than [rear_compound]+[front_compound] (the generator will do that on its own, but not reliably).
Post by: nil on December 14, 2009, 12:42:21 pm
I know you can pick your own name, but assigning parameters to newly randomized names is new to me. I think he's specifically looking for the game to generate random names that are longer than [rear_compound]+[front_compound] (the generator will do that on its own, but not reliably).Oh, my bad.
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on December 14, 2009, 03:06:35 pm
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Is it possible to breed vermin or do they just spawn in their biome? (I want to start a moghopper farm for their j00ce :D) Is it possible to deplete vermin like with fish and large animals?
No one seems to know the answer, so, despite that I don't do much with vermin aside from killing them, I'll give my halfway answer and suggest that you try dwarven science.
I'm not sure about breeding them. Check your tamed ones to see if they have gender. If they do, it's worth a shot. Come back and tell us how it goes.
Hey, look at that, assimilateur said the same thing while I was editing.
Post by: assimilateur on December 14, 2009, 03:10:53 pm
1. vermin spawn randomly in their respective biome (fire snakes in or near a magma source, turtles in or around pools), and
2. vermin fish will, sadly, be depleted after a couple of years of heavy fishing. That might also be true for other vermin, if you try and trap them for a long time.
Note that I said "commonly believed" and not "known", because I don't know whether or not the evidence for the second point is more than anecdotal.
Post by: qoonpooka on December 14, 2009, 04:33:25 pm
Seems like that should be a configurable option, if not.
Post by: qoonpooka on December 14, 2009, 04:44:39 pm
I want to view more tiles on my screen than I have been. I found how to increase the window size, and I expected "Grid" to increase the number of tiles displayed, but the game doesn't seem inclined to use the whole window, it simply uses the original space and leaves a bunch of black space around it.
UPDATE: Nevermind! I figured it out.
For those with the same question: World gen and embark selection will never use the full window (sadly), but gameplay will. Trust your instincts!
Post by: assimilateur on December 14, 2009, 04:48:41 pm
Post by: Amalgam on December 14, 2009, 07:11:32 pm
Post by: nil on December 14, 2009, 08:06:55 pm
Hmm. Guess I'll have to try it myself then! I'll post the results after a while. One more question: do vermin follow their owners like normal pets or will the owner pick them up? I'm mostly concerned because of framerate...Their owners will carry them; you'll be able to see them in the dwarf's inventory screen.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 14, 2009, 09:13:35 pm
Post by: Amalgam on December 14, 2009, 09:30:20 pm
I have a lever. I have a job for it to be linked to a bridge, and I have mechanics, but my dwarves keep suspending the job. Why?They could be doing that for any number of reasons, really. Go into the standing orders menu and press x a few times to have DF announce all job cancellations. Try it again and see if DF tells you why in the announcement log.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 14, 2009, 09:33:25 pm
Er, I changed some orders and it was fixed. Thanks!
Post by: Malicus on December 14, 2009, 11:38:50 pm
I think they are. The up ramp and down ramp above it provide support, I believe.
This is incorrect. I just tested this by embarking then constructing a wall, constructing a ramp next to the wall, constructing a floor on top of the wall, then deconstructing the wall. The floor caved in, knocking out the dwarf doing the deconstruction.
As such, digging ramps COULD cause a cave-in if the level above is already mined out but still has floors or otherwise unsupported walls.
Post by: Iverum on December 15, 2009, 01:18:50 am
EDIT: One more question I have. My map is full of obsidian. This would mean there is a magma source somewhere on the map, correct?
Post by: Malicus on December 15, 2009, 01:24:48 am
So, one of my dwarves died of thirst. I have no clue where he may be. Is there some way I can find him quickly, or should I just scan the map until I find his tiny little body?
EDIT: One more question I have. My map is full of obsidian. This would mean there is a magma source somewhere on the map, correct?
You could scan the stocks (under 'z') to see if you can find his corpse and zoom to it. Your stockpiles might need to be updated by a recordkeeper if you have more than nine corpses on the map, though.
And no, obsidian does not definitely indicate magma. Obsidian is a stone that appears in layers in areas with high volcanism, but it does not guarantee magma.
Post by: Iverum on December 15, 2009, 01:32:05 am
And thank you for clearing that up about the magma.
Post by: Kethas on December 15, 2009, 02:08:55 am
As such, digging ramps COULD cause a cave-in if the level above is already mined out but still has floors or otherwise unsupported walls.
I've had this "cavein while mass ramps are excavated" thing happen multiple times, often in mountain biomes with no trees to interfere with digging. I'm 99% confident it hasn't involved dangling floors/walls, but I'll try to catch an autosave next time it happens (or at least save out during the "A cave-in has occurred" pause and upload that) so we can hopefully narrow it down.
Different question: I'm pretty sure underground rivers have a z-level of "air pocket" above them (i.e. damp stone on z-level 1, water on z-level 2, open space on z-level 3, nondamp stone on z-level 4). Do magma pipes (not vents - e.g. magma pipes that fail to break the surface and are not visible upon embark) have such an air pocket? I ask because I'm considering how to scout for them when I know there's a pipe somewhere on the map, but not exactly where - is it safe to dig stairs straight down, or will my dwarf, failing to find warm stone and digging stairs out of the last z-level of rock, plummet past the one z-level of air into the magma?
Post by: Kethas on December 15, 2009, 02:15:23 am
I don't think you can deplete vermin. They just spawn. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a max_number of vermin on a given map, though.I just remembered that fish are vermin, and they can be temporarily depleted, but I'm not sure about other vermin. I still get fire snakes in a 17 year old fortress, in spite of nearly reaching critical feline mass at one point. Tame a whole slew of vermin and report results.
I don't think the actual fish vermin creatures that you see swimming around in ponds/rivers/etc. are related to the fish that fisherdwarves catch; I think the source of those "caught" fish are abstracted to just be a "fish in stock" counter for each biome and river present on a map. Check out http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=32555.msg475330#msg475330, specifically the earlier points.
Post by: blue emu on December 15, 2009, 02:28:58 am
Does a Masterwork Anvil improve a Blacksmith's skills? Does it even give him a happy thought for admiring it while working? Again, I suspect not.
Post by: Kethas on December 15, 2009, 02:35:17 am
Post by: NecroRebel on December 15, 2009, 02:48:15 am
Different question: I'm pretty sure underground rivers have a z-level of "air pocket" above them (i.e. damp stone on z-level 1, water on z-level 2, open space on z-level 3, nondamp stone on z-level 4). Do magma pipes (not vents - e.g. magma pipes that fail to break the surface and are not visible upon embark) have such an air pocket? I ask because I'm considering how to scout for them when I know there's a pipe somewhere on the map, but not exactly where - is it safe to dig stairs straight down, or will my dwarf, failing to find warm stone and digging stairs out of the last z-level of rock, plummet past the one z-level of air into the magma?Totally subterranean magma pipes always have an open level, wider than the pipe mouth itself, above the highest z-level of the magma. It is safe to dig straight down in the center of each 48x48 block to hunt for magma pipes, since magma features always and without fail cover the center of their block; miners won't fall into open space just because they dug a staircase into it.
Can an Artifact be further improved by encrusting with Gems or studding with Metal? I suspect not.Not that I know of.
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Does a Masterwork Anvil improve a Blacksmith's skills? Does it even give him a happy thought for admiring it while working? Again, I suspect not.Don't think so, but since I'm pretty sure anvils are, bar for bar, the most valuable thing you can make out of iron, steel, and adamantine (more than plate mail, even, since you can place anvils) it might not be a bad idea to make them.
Post by: Iverum on December 15, 2009, 03:01:59 am
Any idea how to get him to go eat or drink?
Post by: silhouette on December 15, 2009, 05:37:55 am
you mean IN THE RIVER?
or ON the river?
I am so confused...
Anyway...
What is the thing that makes humans make towns.
I want to make a new type of dwarf (merchant dwarves) that are exactly like normal dwarves but instead make towns (like humans).
(Reasons for this un dwarfy behaviour is im sick of only having human towns and no other races towns. And as far as i know there is no way to make dwarves make proper shops and stuff in their randomly built fortresses (that have no use except to sit there and look sorta pretty...)
Post by: Iverum on December 15, 2009, 05:50:43 am
The token you are looking for is DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE and the variable should be CITY. I hope that helps.
Post by: blue emu on December 15, 2009, 01:25:10 pm
This is slightly frustrating. I have a dwarf in my brook. I accidentally caved in a section of brook while channeling for a few water wheels. I just dug a ramp and the dwarf came right up out of the brook. That part was simple. Now I have another dwarf in the brook. He's thirsty and hungry now and won't leave. I have two ramps and a set of stairs that he could use. But he doesn't.
Any idea how to get him to go eat or drink?
Have you tried drafting him into the Military and stationing him up on land at the top of the ramp? Of course... if he's already unhappy, drafting him might tip him over the edge into a tantrum, but it's better than drowning.
Post by: Kethas on December 15, 2009, 01:30:31 pm
Now I have another dwarf in the brook. He's thirsty and hungry now and won't leave. I have two ramps and a set of stairs that he could use. But he doesn't.
Any idea how to get him to go eat or drink?
I'm confused how a dwarf "in the brook" managed to live long enough to get hungry and thirsty without drowning. Posting a save would let us take a look at the situation ourselves.
So, a brook works differently than a river. It has a floor of sorts over the water, and the water under this floor is generally only 2 deep or so. I channeled out this floor to put some water wheels in. A dwarf is now in this lower level and will not exit it, despite having multiple ways to do so, including two ramps and a set of stairs.
I've never seen water tiles in a brook have less than 7/7 water, except at the side of the map where the brook flow leaves the map, where you will occasionally see 6/7. (This is how you determine the direction of flow of a brook.) Not entirely sure where (and why) you saw brook tiles with 2/7 water.
Post by: blue emu on December 15, 2009, 01:44:55 pm
I'm confused how a dwarf "in the brook" managed to live long enough to get hungry and thirsty without drowning.
In one of my own Forts, I had a Dwarf survive being trapped in the brook for so long that he learned to Swim.
It was a special case, though... I had just connected my Moat to the brook, and while the Moat was filling with water, the brook was varying between 4/7 and 6/7, for quite a long time.
Post by: Iverum on December 15, 2009, 02:33:45 pm
http://www.mediafire.com/?zdgjedavomm (http://www.mediafire.com/?zdgjedavomm)
Post by: Cheddarius on December 15, 2009, 03:11:21 pm
EDIT: Mon dieu, more than half my dwarves are doing extraneous things! FOOD AND WATER ARE FOR WUSSES, YOU GUYS. STOP IT.
EDIT2: Also, I think my statues are getting suspended because dwarves do half of them and then run off to take a rest. Is there some way to make it so that when dwarves stop a certain job, they don't suspend it but just leave it for another dwarf?
Post by: Skorpion on December 15, 2009, 03:39:18 pm
Can an Artifact be further improved by encrusting with Gems or studding with Metal? I suspect not.
Does a Masterwork Anvil improve a Blacksmith's skills? Does it even give him a happy thought for admiring it while working? Again, I suspect not.
1. No.
2. No, but he gets a happy thought for admiring it as he tries to hammer around and between the menacing spikes, bands, hanging rings, and images of itself.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 15, 2009, 07:14:56 pm
Post by: Skorpion on December 15, 2009, 07:22:44 pm
However, kobolds CAN, so it's best to wall off the door that's holding back the highly pressurised water so they don't sneak all the way in and open it.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 15, 2009, 07:28:23 pm
Thanks again!
Post by: Corinthius on December 15, 2009, 09:07:20 pm
I'm following that great "Total Newbie" tutorial, though not with the saved game that came with it. I started out on my own, that is to say. My problem now is that my craftsdwarfs workshop will not build. My dwarfs, with the exception of the farmer dwarf, are just sitting around, and that craftsdwarfs workshop will not build. Is that because I don't have a boneworker dwarf? Because I don't have any bone?
I took this build: http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Savok%27s_first_fortress_playthrough
Thanks so much!
Post by: assimilateur on December 15, 2009, 09:16:11 pm
Don't worry about the skills you've allocated before embarking. They'll learn as they go, and they don't need any skills to build workshops either (just the appropriate jobs enabled).
Post by: Cheddarius on December 15, 2009, 09:20:35 pm
Some other problems might be that it's unreachable because of something or another. To check if the building's been suspended, use (q) and hover over it. If it says it's suspended, something's wrong - unsuspend it. Wait until an announcement comes up that says it's been suspended again, and press (a) and read it. Then fix whatever it says (for example, "Construction suspended: unreachable tile).
I have a question of my own; I've build a drawbridge and a moat under it (it's really a pit filled with water from a murky pool). I dropped some migrants in it, but they refuse to die even after months of drowning on end. It's like 5/7 depth, that should kill them, right? How can I kill them more efficiently? I don't have any rivers or magma pits... :(
EDIT: The wiki says you don't need any special jobs for a craftsdwarf's workshop, but assimilateur is probably right on this. Do what he said. Maybe activate masonry like I said above, too, just to be sure.
Post by: Corinthius on December 15, 2009, 09:23:02 pm
Post by: assimilateur on December 15, 2009, 09:23:59 pm
I presume you have stone, and it requires no special jobs.
I'm pretty sure all buildings require some type of job, so I guess this depends on what you mean by "special". If I recall correctly, most, if not all, workshops require one of the jobs that's eventually going to be used in them to be built. I.e. a mason's workshop needs masonry, carpenter need carpentry, butcher needs butchery, and so on.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 15, 2009, 09:33:19 pm
In other news, one of my migrants was not successfully drowned, but he eventually died of thirst.
WHILE DROWNING.
What's going on?
Post by: assimilateur on December 15, 2009, 09:38:16 pm
In other news, one of my migrants was not successfully drowned, but he eventually died of thirst.
WHILE DROWNING.
What's going on?
I have no idea what's going on, but that is one more reason for me to love this game.
Post by: silhouette on December 15, 2009, 10:11:44 pm
Urist mc dwarf has died from thirst.
Mebzuth: How in hell did THAT happen?
Asmel: I think its best we dont ask...
Post by: vechora on December 15, 2009, 10:24:37 pm
-fire imps, how can I channel/wall them in fast enough for them to not fry my dwarves to a well done crisp (and the surrounding shrubland)?
-aquifers. tried caveins, after litterally 1 stairway dig the aquifer fills up again and im back to square one with no natural wall to collapse into it. 2layer aquifers.. I don't even embark there anymore its hell.
-50+ dwarfmanagement. How do you manage these buggers? have to many of the partying and they also seem to dislike sleeping in bedrooms when I do not assign every single dwarf their own room *sleeping on the job, in tunnels etc, while there are far more then 50 beds available*
-how long should I leave a military squad on duty? leaving them on duty permanently supposedly creats meny bad toughts so whats the standard for rotating them *got guardposts near the workshops for moody dwarfs gone bad and near the entrance to stop the thieves from robbing the well crafted glass blocks
well i think thats enough
Feel so incredibly noobish, posting questions all the time :$
Post by: Amalgam on December 15, 2009, 10:31:27 pm
Ah, okay. Thanks for the clarification!See, the problem is that you tried to drown him in water. Dwarves consider drinking a higher priority than breathing if you use booze.
In other news, one of my migrants was not successfully drowned, but he eventually died of thirst.
WHILE DROWNING.
What's going on?
Post by: NecroRebel on December 15, 2009, 10:50:38 pm
Got a few questions I ran into in my previous (5) fortsGenerally, I find that it isn't worth the bother. If your fort's entrance is close to the edge of the magma pipe, recruit and station a dwarf or two 2-3 tiles away from the edge of the pipe, have them set to harass wild animals, and wait.
-fire imps, how can I channel/wall them in fast enough for them to not fry my dwarves to a well done crisp (and the surrounding shrubland)?
Fire imps are size 3, the size of a cat, and thus are extremely weak and fragile. If you can get a dwarf into melee with them before getting fireballed, they go down easily, even with unskilled, unarmed, unarmored recruits. Since imps must be on the same z-level as their target to fireball them, and they're likely to come up near to your dwarves rather than on another side of the pipe, and your dwarves are such a short distance away, they get reliably taken down.
If you insist on channeling out around the pipe, wait until you have a legendary miner or two, then designate a circle of ramps (not channels!) on the z-level below the surface with one extra that is only accessible from the outside, wait for all of it to be dug out, then remove the ramps in the ring proper while the one extra works to let your dwarves out again. Because, as was mentioned, imps need to be on the same z-level as their target to fireball them, and your miners will work from the level below while carving ramps, you won't actually have much/any risk of getting fireballed and if an imp comes into the "moat" while it's still being done you can just recruit your legendary miner and have them slaughter the beast.
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-aquifers. tried caveins, after litterally 1 stairway dig the aquifer fills up again and im back to square one with no natural wall to collapse into it. 2layer aquifers.. I don't even embark there anymore its hell.Aquifers are difficult to get through, and until you understand how to use pumps and why the cavein method works you probably are wise not to bother with them anymore. Myself, I know how to get through them, but don't bother since they're just generally not worth the trouble.
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-50+ dwarfmanagement. How do you manage these buggers? have to many of the partying and they also seem to dislike sleeping in bedrooms when I do not assign every single dwarf their own room *sleeping on the job, in tunnels etc, while there are far more then 50 beds available*Managing many dwarves largely means using the job manager (j-m) to make sure there is always jobs in each category (carpentry, metalworking, and masonry are the major ones) as well as having several types of jobs auto-repeating if that's useful, like food jobs or stonecrafting.
For bedroom problems... Are they able to reach the bedrooms? Are the beds actually placed as furniture? Are the beds, once placed as furniture, designated as bedrooms (you don't have to specifically assign them for them to be used once they're designated)? Do your dwarves have the Hunting labor, which prevents them from sleeping in beds for some strange reason, active?
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-how long should I leave a military squad on duty? leaving them on duty permanently supposedly creats meny bad toughts so whats the standard for rotating them *got guardposts near the workshops for moody dwarfs gone bad and near the entrance to stop the thieves from robbing the well crafted glass blocksGenerally, you should be using animals, not dwarves, as sentries at your entrance(s). Make ropes or chains, set them as restraints (b-v), and assign animals to them once built.
Otherwise, you're probably best off just putting your soldiers on duty as needed at this point. Don't bother with workshop guards unless there's actually a moody dwarf that you can't supply with all the desired materials around, don't bother with patrols if you have guard dogs, and otherwise keep them off duty as much as possible. Their survivability will go way up with more sparring, after all, and you want them to survive.
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well i think thats enoughThis game is notorious for an absurdly steep learning curve, so don't worry about wondering about many of these things.
Feel so incredibly noobish, posting questions all the time :$
Post by: Cheddarius on December 15, 2009, 11:11:04 pm
1. I don't have any rivers or magma pits. How can I use my bridge to kill people (read: friggin' migrants) more easily? (Crushing is difficult - it's so small that I only have one tile long crush-space, so it's hard to lure people in)
2. Why did my migrant die of thirst while drowning in 4/7 to 5/7 water?
Also, I have another question:
3. How can I make a decent waterfall without access to rivers? (I do have murky pools though)
Post by: NecroRebel on December 15, 2009, 11:27:07 pm
Er, sorry if I'm being bothersome, but I think my questions were skipped... they're a few posts back. Basically:3 ways:
1. I don't have any rivers or magma pits. How can I use my bridge to kill people (read: friggin' migrants) more easily? (Crushing is difficult - it's so small that I only have one tile long crush-space, so it's hard to lure people in)
First way: Dig a deep pit, 5+ z-levels deep, build a retracting bridge over the top of it, recruit your migrants, station them in 1-man squads on top of the bridge, then pull the lever to retract the bridge, causing them to fall to their death.
Second way: You shouldn't have difficulty "luring people in" since you can just recruit and station them on the kill-zone-line. 1-man squads should make them stand exactly where you stationed them, so I'm not sure what difficulty you're having. That may not be helpful, but I don't know what else to tell you.
Third way: Have the bridge seal the only entrance into a room that has no food or drink in it, make the unwanted dwarves go into that room, seal it, and let them starve.
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2. Why did my migrant die of thirst while drowning in 4/7 to 5/7 water?Obviously, he couldn't get anything to drink. ::)
Seriously, though, from what I can tell dwarves can only get water from the z-level below them, so your dehydrated drowner couldn't reach any water he could drink. Further, whenever he tried to drink something he was probably getting interrupted due to dangerous terrain (4+ water), even if he was actually trying to drink that exact same water.
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Also, I have another question:Build a powered pump array such that all the water is recycled. This can be a bit tricky, but essentially you want exactly 1 7/7 depth water tile and no more water. That tile of water, all of that water, is picked up by a pump, spit to the intake of another pump leading the other direction, where it falls back down into the original space, making a waterfall as it falls.
3. How can I make a decent waterfall without access to rivers? (I do have murky pools though)
Like this:
z-level +1
WWWWWW
W.%>.W
WWWWWW
z-level +0 (level where the actual mist is desired)
WWWWWW
W+<%.+
WWW+++
z-level -1
WWWWWW
WWWW7W
WWWWWW
Where Ws are walls, .s are open space or grates, %>s are pumps with the arrow pointing to the output tile, +s are floors, and the 7 is the water.
Basically you just want to make a system where the only place for the water to go is straight down or pumped into the input of another pump so you don't get any wastage; rivers just make waterfalls easier since you don't have to recycle water or to a certain extent deal with pumping it anywhere.
Post by: silhouette on December 15, 2009, 11:33:57 pm
Make it a larger bridge.
... dont tell me you didnt know you could increase the sized?
press u, k m and h while in the screen for building the bridge...
And make it retractible what ever direction.
Recruit the migs you want to kill and stantion them under the atom crusher.
Activate atom crusher and kill them.
2. Cos dorfs are idiots, also if you want to save them make stairs to get them out.
3.
Oooh, you need lotsa screw pumps for this...
Murky pools dont really provide much water and have to be moved effectively or you lose water.
I suggest you make the two pumps, one on top of each other so you have a "waterfall" effect.
Code: [Select]
Like... -z1
..........
..........
..hS>h....
..........
.......... Code: [Select]
-Z2
..........
..........
..-<S-....
..........
.......... . is wall or w/e.< is the direction the screw pump is pumping to (also part of the screwpump)
S is another part of the screwpump.
- is a dug out tile.
h is a channeled tile.
If you get water in there you can have two blocks of water that float in mid air, making mist ( which is what dorfs really get that good feeling off of).
Also you should use mechanical thigns so you dont have to always have peasants or pump operators on them...
Post by: vechora on December 15, 2009, 11:39:48 pm
Thanks for the Imp advice, will help my magmapipe adventures a great deal.
the beds are designated as bedrooms and reachable, its just that sometimes dwarves just sleep somewere else when there are free, usable bedrooms available (only not assigned to a person)
guard dogs, (wardogs) just don't seem to like wanting to bite kobolds to death or goblins for that matter, so I had to resort to military guards.
Post by: Amalgam on December 15, 2009, 11:51:40 pm
Er, sorry if I'm being bothersome, but I think my questions were skipped... they're a few posts back. Basically:
1. I don't have any rivers or magma pits. How can I use my bridge to kill people (read: friggin' migrants) more easily? (Crushing is difficult - it's so small that I only have one tile long crush-space, so it's hard to lure people in)
2. Why did my migrant die of thirst while drowning in 4/7 to 5/7 water?
Also, I have another question:
3. How can I make a decent waterfall without access to rivers? (I do have murky pools though)
1: Make several bridges 1 tile long and however many tiles you need it to be to span the width of your entrance hall, and build several of them in strips along your hall. Like this:
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##|===|## <--bridge
##|===|## <--another bridge
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##|===|## <-more bridges
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Link them all up to one lever. When they close, the bridges will all become solid tiles and crush anything on them. No chance they'll survive it, unless you let some slip past. You can also make a retractable bridge over a deep pit.
2: You probably wouldn't think about drinking if you were drowning, would you? Or are you asking why he didn't drown? Dwarves will prefer to swim in 4-depth water, but it's not drowning-depth. Dwarves will only drown in 5-depth water or higher, and they only have to be in shallower water for a moment to get a breath of air. Your dwarf might have gained some swimming skill by thrashing around in there too, which will allow him to stay afloat in drowning-depth water. Dwarves only need novice skill in swimming to do this so it's not entirely unlikely. I suggest you add more water and build a floor over the pool - IIRC dwarves can't breathe in drowning-depth water if there isn't open air above them, even if the water isn't completely full below it.
3: If your map has plenty of rain, water should be a renewable resource. Evaporation is the enemy here though, never let the pools get below 2 units deep or water can start to evaporate in the pools. Once that happens, rain might not be able to replenish them fast enough before it evaporates. I suggest you channel around a pool until the water spreads out a little and reaches 2-level depth, wait for it to fill up, and then repeat until you have a large pool. This will be your buffer zone. The bigger it is, the better, and if you can find a way to make it deeper as well as wider, all the better. Again, never drain it below 2 units. Pump the water into a cistern whatever size you need it, if the water in your buffer gets low you'll have to wait for it to rain and pump some more. The cistern will most likely have to be slightly smaller than the buffer to compensate for the water left behind in the channel, otherwise you won't have enough to fill it to 2 units. Keep the cistern as full as possible at all times It's kind of a pain but it should work. Once you've done that dump it out of the cistern whenever you need to.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 15, 2009, 11:57:56 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on December 16, 2009, 12:07:02 am
the beds are designated as bedrooms and reachable, its just that sometimes dwarves just sleep somewere else when there are free, usable bedrooms available (only not assigned to a person)Odd. You said you had only ~50 population, so the economy shouldn't be active yet, so I can't think of any reason why your dwarves wouldn't sleep in them.
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guard dogs, (wardogs) just don't seem to like wanting to bite kobolds to death or goblins for that matter, so I had to resort to military guards.Killing kobolds isn't really important so long as you detect them before they get to your stockpiles. Once a thief is detected, it'll immediately attempt to run off the map.
Your guard dogs (I prefer hunting dogs, since they occasionally detect from 2 tiles away which has helped me save their lives sometimes) should be far enough out that you have time to put your soldiers on duty and have them get intercept the invaders before they can cause any trouble. The dogs themselves aren't intended to hurt or kill anything, they're just expendable, reliable in the sense of not needing food or sleep, sentries. Military guards, traps, or a way to seal your fort are all still essential, even if you have them.
Post by: Hortun on December 16, 2009, 12:13:49 am
What I'm confused about is the layering. If I remove the tag altogether, will it suddenly be resistant to climates? Or is there some way I can set the layering and homeotherm so it will settle virtually anywhere?
Post by: Skorpion on December 16, 2009, 12:25:55 am
guard dogs, (wardogs) just don't seem to like wanting to bite kobolds to death or goblins for that matter, so I had to resort to military guards.
The military on guard are really the best option. I prefer to rotate the squads between active duty per season so they don't get pissy.
Post by: silhouette on December 16, 2009, 12:44:02 am
How do i get teh seed for my world that i am currently playing in, best world so far (in the geo) and want to re make it with my added modded stuff.
So how do i get the seed (not the history)
Post by: Iverum on December 16, 2009, 02:29:31 am
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The w's are water wheels, and the o is the vertical axle, just to be clear. Anyway, the power isn't reaching the axle in this set up. Is there a different way it should be built?
Post by: moki on December 16, 2009, 03:33:35 am
You need to think 3dimensional for dwarf fortress. If you want to transport power on the same z-level, use horizontal axles, changing their orientation with
@silhouette:
You need to make a copy of your world (just copy the whole folder in the save directory) abandon your fort there, go into legends mode and press <p>. Now there is a text file "regionxyz-world_gen_param.txt" in your df main folder. It contains all the world gen info.
It's highly unprobable though that you can generate the same world again, only with your mods. The raws have a very big influence on worldgen. Modding in another kind of bonobo can actually change the whole geography of a site while using the same seeds.
You can still change existing RAW-entries with out regenning the world. Only adding in new stuff needs a regen
Post by: Amalgam on December 16, 2009, 03:39:12 am
o.OGo into legends mode and press 'p' (if memory serves right) to export some information about your world in the DF folder. There should be a text file called "region#-world_gen_param" with all the world info, including the seed.
How do i get teh seed for my world that i am currently playing in, best world so far (in the geo) and want to re make it with my added modded stuff.
So how do i get the seed (not the history)
I have a question about vertical axles. How do you get power to them? Does the gearbox have to be on top of the axle or next to it? My current set up looks like this:Yeah, that won't work. Axles will only transfer power in a straight line, merely being adjacent to it isn't sufficient to transfer power. You have to stick gears on the ends of them. Which makes sense, if you picture how a wheel and axle work. The end part of an axle can be stuck anywhere on a gear and you can stick any number of axles on a gear, which is how you transfer power around corners. In this case I would replace the gear north of the vertical axle with a horizontal axle oriented along the N/S axis (just press 's' to change the orientation) and replace the vertical axle with a gear. Having two gears adjacent to each other is fine too if you need to, but axles are far more efficient for transferring power in a straight line.
~wwwwww~
~wwwwww~
~wwwwww~
.....*==*....
...........o....
The w's are water wheels, and the o is the vertical axle, just to be clear. Anyway, the power isn't reaching the axle in this set up. Is there a different way it should be built?
EDIT: Ehh, looks like there's some stuff you need connected that I didn't see somehow. Disregard that, just replace the verticle axle with a gear and you should be fine.
Post by: Iverum on December 16, 2009, 04:11:49 am
Post by: darkflagrance on December 16, 2009, 04:11:56 am
Alright, I'm trying to mod unicorns to spawn everywhere so that regardless of where you embark there will be bloodthirsty unicorns waiting.
What I'm confused about is the layering. If I remove the tag altogether, will it suddenly be resistant to climates? Or is there some way I can set the layering and homeotherm so it will settle virtually anywhere?
At least make sure it has [BIOME:ANY_LAND]. I haven't noticed homeotherm having an effect on spawning, but it might because I haven't settled in very cold regions with my modded creatures yet.
Post by: silhouette on December 16, 2009, 04:49:44 am
Ty for the answer, although by the time you did i already found it out by another method... that ones intresint to, ill use that as thats easier..
Also my previous question wasnt answered i dont think...
How do i make races like humans as in they set up towns.
Post by: Iverum on December 16, 2009, 05:13:57 am
The token you are looking for is DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE and the variable should be CITY. I hope that helps.
That's how you make other races set up towns. [DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE: CITY]
Post by: silhouette on December 16, 2009, 05:22:45 am
Post by: sono on December 16, 2009, 11:25:06 am
However, the miner will not discard the backpack and waterskin. At least i assume that is causing his inability to pick up one of the picks i got a'aplenty.
Can anyone shed some light on this. Thanks.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 16, 2009, 12:50:44 pm
I have my champion wielding a crossbow and off duty, and my barracks has plenty of archery targets and ammunition. I've also designated the room as an archery practice thing. But he's not practicing - what could be causing this?
Post by: Quantum Toast on December 16, 2009, 02:13:46 pm
I have my champion wielding a crossbow and off duty, and my barracks has plenty of archery targets and ammunition. I've also designated the room as an archery practice thing. But he's not practicing - what could be causing this?
- Make sure the ammunition isn't all metal - they'll only use wood or bone bolts for practice.
- See if he's holding anything in his hands besides the crossbow. If he is, dump it.
- Check that the archery range is set up for firing in the correct direction.
Post by: ed boy on December 16, 2009, 02:24:14 pm
2) - If you cover the edge of the map with a series of drawbridges which are then raised, what will happen to the incoming creatures/invaders/merchants?
3) - if you leave only a couple squares on the edge unblocked, will the people that try to spawn on the blocked squares not spawn or be funneled into these areas?
4) - If I were to have a fortress that has an entirely military population, would there be any problems with assigning a military person as a broker (to trade for food/booze)? how would I be able to activate mechanisms with my dwarves (since they cannot pull levers anymore)?
Post by: Cheddarius on December 16, 2009, 02:28:11 pm
4 - I think soldiers don't do anything except soldiering. I assigned a soldier to be broker and he didn't show up.
Post by: Sphalerite on December 16, 2009, 02:34:51 pm
1) - apart from smoothing and carving enravings/fortifications, is there anything you can do with map border tiles?Not that I've been able to determine. You can't dig or channel them, but you can smooth, engrave, or make them into fortifications.
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2) - If you cover the edge of the map with a series of drawbridges which are then raised, what will happen to the incoming creatures/invaders/merchants?If there are no accessible tiles at the edge of the map, creatures, invaders, merchants, and immigrants simply won't ever appear.
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3) - if you leave only a couple squares on the edge unblocked, will the people that try to spawn on the blocked squares not spawn or be funneled into these areas?Yes, if there are only a few tiles accessible everything will spawn in them. Often at the same time, with hilarious results.
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4) - If I were to have a fortress that has an entirely military population, would there be any problems with assigning a military person as a broker (to trade for food/booze)? how would I be able to activate mechanisms with my dwarves (since they cannot pull levers anymore)?I don't know, I've never tried a fortress with a 100% military population. Would be interesting, at least until everyone starved to death.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 16, 2009, 02:49:07 pm
EDIT: Also. I keep getting hit by two or three goblin ambushes at once. I've had to savescum repeatedly, order all my dwarves inside, etc. Fortunately, my champion wrestler/axedwarf/marksdwarf can fend them off easily, but now I can't finish construction on my outside corridor of death for fear I'll get ambushed and lose a dwarf. How do I deal with this?
Post by: darkflagrance on December 16, 2009, 03:12:14 pm
You could mod it like the elves so that you can eat your enemies, and then have a mod that sends tons and tons of enemies at you?
EDIT: Also. I keep getting hit by two or three goblin ambushes at once. I've had to savescum repeatedly, order all my dwarves inside, etc. Fortunately, my champion wrestler/axedwarf/marksdwarf can fend them off easily, but now I can't finish construction on my outside corridor of death for fear I'll get ambushed and lose a dwarf. How do I deal with this?
You can conscript the generic expendable haulers and give them masonry to make them work on the wall, while turning it off on your real masons.
Also, usually two or three is the limit for a season; by late [Season] there should be no more hidden enemies if you haven't already found them.
I recommend leaving the door open (though somehow disallowing civilians from going out) and having your military intercept all potential ambushes while waiting for late [Season], at which point you send out the expendables, backed up by military.
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Also, I don't know if ethics modding actually works when it comes to eating practices. I've heard standard dwarven ethics have a degree of hardcodedness to them, but I'm not sure which parts they apply to.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 16, 2009, 03:31:39 pm
Er, my dwarves seem to be acting up lately - I never got dumping to work, but now they're sitting idle when they have hauling to do! I have specific haulers with it enabled, and statues and such waiting to be built, but they don't do anything... how could this happen?
EDIT: Also, I was sending some elven merchants down my pit of doom when they started fleeing! Some of them got away! Are the elves going to attack me?
Post by: Quantum Toast on December 16, 2009, 03:36:56 pm
EDIT: Also. I keep getting hit by two or three goblin ambushes at once. I've had to savescum repeatedly, order all my dwarves inside, etc. Fortunately, my champion wrestler/axedwarf/marksdwarf can fend them off easily, but now I can't finish construction on my outside corridor of death for fear I'll get ambushed and lose a dwarf. How do I deal with this?Easiest way would probably be to turn invasions off in the init until you're ready for them.
Post by: sono on December 16, 2009, 03:57:36 pm
sell on ebay
quix
Post by: Skorpion on December 16, 2009, 05:52:41 pm
EDIT: Also. I keep getting hit by two or three goblin ambushes at once. I've had to savescum repeatedly, order all my dwarves inside, etc. Fortunately, my champion wrestler/axedwarf/marksdwarf can fend them off easily, but now I can't finish construction on my outside corridor of death for fear I'll get ambushed and lose a dwarf. How do I deal with this?
More military. Ambushes come in more than one squad.
Post by: ed boy on December 16, 2009, 06:28:22 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on December 16, 2009, 07:20:04 pm
More military. Ambushes come in more than one squad.
Eeergh. I recruited four marksdwarves, had them training up in the archery range, and a massive goblin ambush killed off three and left the last one crippled and probably dying. I have a long corridor extended outside - I was planning to build drawbridges over it to smash any intruders. I'm now planning to build a roof over it and use it as a Great Wall-type thing so my marksdwarves can walk on it and kill intruders, but I have a few problems:
1. How do I even do this? How high should I make it and such, and how do I build a floor over two walls?
2. If I have this Great Wall and corridor of death protecting everyone inside, how do I protect people outside gathering clothes or whatnot?
Post by: Remalle on December 16, 2009, 09:16:24 pm
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Post by: kerzack on December 16, 2009, 11:00:31 pm
Post by: Skorpion on December 17, 2009, 12:34:18 am
More military. Ambushes come in more than one squad.
Eeergh. I recruited four marksdwarves, had them training up in the archery range, and a massive goblin ambush killed off three and left the last one crippled and probably dying. I have a long corridor extended outside - I was planning to build drawbridges over it to smash any intruders. I'm now planning to build a roof over it and use it as a Great Wall-type thing so my marksdwarves can walk on it and kill intruders, but I have a few problems:
1. How do I even do this? How high should I make it and such, and how do I build a floor over two walls?
2. If I have this Great Wall and corridor of death protecting everyone inside, how do I protect people outside gathering clothes or whatnot?
1. Build floors in between the tops of the wall. You'll need access from inside. After that, put fortifications on top of the walls.
2. Melee dwarves. Once they're trained up, they will, in conjunction with the archers, cause goblins to be killed close in.
Now, to keep the civillians protected, you need them to be out there as little as possible. This means that, after a siege, you need to haul the stuff you plan to keep indoors ASAP.
My system is to mass-designate everything to be dumped, then melted, then use the stocks menu to un-designate the corpses and body parts. After that, the bodies and parts are hauled, then the metal, and finally the clothing.
For a fully-working fort of 100-150 dwarves, I keep a somewhat inflated military. Something like 30 or 40 dwarves, divided into three melee squads and one or two ranged.
The fortress guard (female migrants are surplus to requirements, dwarves brain-damaged while sparring before they make Hero level) is set to unarmed, to train the military in wrestling.
The military itself is recruited from male migrants. I don't bother to boot-camp train them, I just assign them armour and train them unarmed in one large squad per migrant wave, before assigning weapons when they hit elite or legendary. This is to make sure they don't kill each other.
For protecting the civillians, I station two melee squads in the archery defense corridor, with archers on hand if there's a squad on rotation. There's a big chunk of Restricted access over the main entrance, to discourage anyone wandering outside, and work out there is done in spurts, guarded at all times.
I also chain up war dogs by the inside entrance, with any extras going into a cage on the outside, hooked to a lever.
All this makes sure that if an ambush is spotted, the military can react instantly and decisively.
Squad leaders are checked regularly to make sure they're on station. Anyone drinking or asleep is swapped out instantly, to get the rest of the squad back.
Squads have a season or two on duty, then the rest of the year off for training and exposure to the meeting zone.
The corridor itself has a pair of right-angle turns, to stop archers firing straight in. It is also the ONLY access to the unprotected outside. ANYWHERE. Access to the protected outside is inside a courtyard that the corridor is linked to, which contains the trade depot (and drowning system), and access to the Z-level above.
I like to have an upper courtyard, for the sake of keeping bolts and an archery range on.
Post by: Cheddarius on December 17, 2009, 12:45:11 am
Now, to keep the civillians protected, you need them to be out there as little as possible. This means that, after a siege, you need to haul the stuff you plan to keep indoors ASAP.What I mean is, how do I get trees and such? My dwarves need to go outside for resources and all that... and I don't have a river to farm tower-caps. I guess I could use some sort of cistern with murky pools, but that'd be really work-intensive...
Thanks for all the advice! That military setup seems really useful!
Post by: Skorpion on December 17, 2009, 01:21:27 am
If you have magma and no native iron ores, bed and charcoal production can quickly lead to a huge surplus of wood products you have no use for.
If you're on a mountain site, you'll have plenty of ores around to convert into bins, so you'll use even less wood.
Personally, since my last fort had NO native trees until I struck the underground river, I've taken to just ordering a lot of wood imported, buying it with a huge profit margin, and going from there.
Oh, and tower-caps won't grow without having discovered an underground river or underground pool.
Post by: NecroRebel on December 17, 2009, 01:37:46 am
If you do really want to harvest wood in absolute safety, dig a moat around a large area of the surface such that the only way in is through your fort proper, then build a wall around the same area. The moat is done quick and early and protects your woodcutters from melee attackers, while the wall comes later and protects against archers and job interruptions.
In the meantime, you could just designate a small area for harvesting at a time, station a few soldiers on patrol around that area, then move on to another area. This requires more micromanagement than just designating a large swatch of land for cutting and leaving it, but is much safer. A single squad should be able to adequately protect... let's say a 24x24 area (1/4 of a region tile), which can take several minutes realtime to harvest anyway so it's not like you have to watch the harvest at all times.
Also, if you're really desperate, practice wood conservation. Use less-valuable metals to make bins and barrels out of, have seperate food stockpiles for plants, prepared meals, and drinks so you can turn barrel use off for the first 2, reducing the number of barrels you need, don't use massive mechanization programs, and make only the minimum number of beds you need. If you put maximum priority on all wood types whenever a liason comes along, you should be able to eke by on just what the traders bring you, especially if you make a point to use and/or forbid it all before the next set of traders arrive so they bring more.
And, as Skorpion said, you need, specifically, the map feature of an Underground River or Underground Pool to get tower-caps, not just a river or pool that happens to be underground. If you don't know if you've found one or not, you haven't; the game pauses, centers on the feature, and has a pop-up window that tells you when you discover an underground map feature, so it's essentially impossible to miss.
Post by: blue emu on December 17, 2009, 02:03:57 am
With the wood, either enclose a BIG area, send the woodcutters/haulers out with a military escort, or just import it.
Another option is to hollow out a very large two-z-level tall underground room directly below a forest, prop it up from below with a lever-activted support, then channel out all around it. After recalling all your Dwarves to a safe place, pull the lever, collapsing the forest into the huge underground room. Then roof it over at the first underground level (to prevent enemy archers from standing at the rim and taking pot-shots at your Berry-Pickers, Lumberjacks and Haulers).
Post by: silhouette on December 17, 2009, 02:30:36 am
When do goblin sieges usually start ? (I modded the tags from [INTELLIGENT] to CAN_CIV and CAN_LEARN, also removed the BABYSNATCHER tag to try and speed things up, but this was without regenning a world.)You have to be at war with them to seige if i recall correctly.
If not youll have to wait a few years.
Post by: sono on December 17, 2009, 04:07:09 am
(v)iew units and hover over the miner. Go to his inventory and forbid the backpack and waterskin that he's carrying - he'll drop it. I don't know what the problem is, though.this?
The miner will not discard either, regardless of forbid or dump settings. Screw this.. game would be a lot more fun if it was more complete.. Same problem with all pet projects.. they're awesome, until you try to use them <.<
Post by: blue emu on December 17, 2009, 04:51:27 am
(v)iew units and hover over the miner. Go to his inventory and forbid the backpack and waterskin that he's carrying - he'll drop it. I don't know what the problem is, though.this?
The miner will not discard either, regardless of forbid or dump settings. Screw this.. game would be a lot more fun if it was more complete.. Same problem with all pet projects.. they're awesome, until you try to use them <.<
Should be using "Dump", not "Forbid"... and no, the Miner won't discard it. When some other Dwarf has a spare moment, they'll walk up to him, take it from him, and dump it.
Post by: darkflagrance on December 17, 2009, 07:08:41 am
When do goblin sieges usually start ? (I modded the tags from [INTELLIGENT] to CAN_CIV and CAN_LEARN, also removed the BABYSNATCHER tag to try and speed things up, but this was without regenning a world.)
One last thing you want to do is go into the entity_default file, find the EVIL entity entry (which corresponds to the goblins) change their progress triggers (e.g. [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE:number]) from 2 to 1.
This will make them come as quickly as possible.
Because they can't speak, they will automatically be at war with you. ETA however depends on distance.
Post by: Amalgam on December 17, 2009, 08:33:23 am
Post by: archangelomega on December 17, 2009, 11:05:10 am
Post by: sono on December 17, 2009, 12:20:06 pm
It is not possible to go to the next found site, even though the finder always iterates the while map. So the process is very painful. Correct? Or am i missing some undocumented thing here?
Post by: assimilateur on December 17, 2009, 12:23:32 pm
Correct?
I'm sad to say that you are, at least to my knowledge, correct. The current sitefinder is ridiculous.
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on December 17, 2009, 01:20:33 pm
- If pressurized via a pump, will it rize UP through bars/grates?
- Will magma seep down through magma-safe bars/grates?
I have some fun trap ideas in mind...
Post by: qoonpooka on December 17, 2009, 08:08:03 pm
I can't build pumps directly on top of each other... it needs floor. The floor seems to block the transmission of power...
How am I suppose to power them all? Put a gear stack next to them?
Post by: NecroRebel on December 17, 2009, 08:43:40 pm
A few questions about Magma:Yes, to both questions, though for the second only if there's a place for it to fall to. In fact, liquids treat bars/grates just the same as they do open space, from what I can tell.
- If pressurized via a pump, will it rize UP through bars/grates?
- Will magma seep down through magma-safe bars/grates?
I have some fun trap ideas in mind...
Pump Stacking... how do I do?Only the passable square of a pump needs to be on a floor if it would be hanging from another machine otherwise. So, build a place like this:
I can't build pumps directly on top of each other... it needs floor. The floor seems to block the transmission of power...
How am I suppose to power them all? Put a gear stack next to them?
.+.+
with .s as open space and +s as floors, and turn it into this:
.%>+
with the %> being a pump that pumps from the left and outputs to the right. As long as there is a machine somewhere orthagonally connected to the pump, including above or below, it will be able to be built and will transfer power. Then, just mirror the design and put it directly above and you'll be able to build as many levels as you need in as little as a 4x1 area (6x3 if you enclose it in walls, which is a good idea to prevent liquid loss going up the stack).
Post by: qoonpooka on December 17, 2009, 09:03:54 pm
NExt question: 40d, 40d14, 40d16... what all are these versions? What are the big differences? Which one is most stable? Which one is cooler?
Post by: monk12 on December 17, 2009, 09:21:03 pm
Are people sure that there's no such thing as friendly fire? Is it absolutely confirmed?
I'd like to add that I just recently found incredibly strong evidence for Friendly Fire being active. I was moving my naked, weaponless goblin prisoners to the Trade Depot, having forgotten that when I tried they'd escape. So, in a long narrow corridor I had a desperate goblin prisoner, a Tough Spearman. My new recruits charged into melee to prevent an escape, while my crossbows riddled him with arrows. However, one of the dorf recruits now has a wounded lower spine and arm, and I noticed this after watching arrows fly down the corridor and stop at his square. It looks like yeah, he just got shot in the back.
Post by: assimilateur on December 17, 2009, 09:39:25 pm
NExt question: 40d, 40d14, 40d16... what all are these versions? What are the big differences? Which one is most stable? Which one is cooler?
The versions with a number after d (like 40d16, the newest, by the way) are released by Baughn (though he's not the only one working on them, AFAIK), and not by the dev Toady himself. They include some bugfixes, but are mostly attempts at speeding up DF. If you haven't tried them already, then you should do so. A lot of people have experienced better performance with those versions.
Post by: vechora on December 17, 2009, 10:45:11 pm
is it true that making a "bridge" from floors over a chasm then walling those floors off on both sides creating an "aquaduct" for magma has to be made of firesafe material rather then magmasafe material?
however if i put a firesafe floodgate in there it will melt like chocolate?
Post by: qoonpooka on December 17, 2009, 10:53:07 pm
NExt question: 40d, 40d14, 40d16... what all are these versions? What are the big differences? Which one is most stable? Which one is cooler?
The versions with a number after d (like 40d16, the newest, by the way) are released by Baughn (though he's not the only one working on them, AFAIK), and not by the dev Toady himself. They include some bugfixes, but are mostly attempts at speeding up DF. If you haven't tried them already, then you should do so. A lot of people have experienced better performance with those versions.
I notice 40d16 has no "grid" options in its init file. Is this part of the speeding up Open GL?
Post by: assimilateur on December 17, 2009, 11:07:37 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on December 17, 2009, 11:42:31 pm
quick question before im ruining my perfect starting locationNo, floors and walls are totally indestructible except by a deconstruct designation. You could build the magmaduct out of wood if you wanted, and it would be as solid as if it was made from steel. Magma will not damage floors or walls, no matter what.
is it true that making a "bridge" from floors over a chasm then walling those floors off on both sides creating an "aquaduct" for magma has to be made of firesafe material rather then magmasafe material?
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however if i put a firesafe floodgate in there it will melt like chocolate?This however is true. Merely firesafe materials will melt in magma, but only if they are in magma. As long as the floodgate is closed, it will remain intact, but open it and it will melt unless the floodgate itself and any and all mechanisms attacked to it are made from magma-safe materials.
Post by: Grimshot on December 18, 2009, 04:27:16 am
Post by: Kethas on December 18, 2009, 05:28:01 am
The fortress guard (female migrants are surplus to requirements ...
The military itself is recruited from male migrants. ...
I don't bother to boot-camp train them, ...
There's a big chunk of Restricted access over the main entrance, to discourage anyone wandering outside ...
Squads have a season or two on duty, then the rest of the year off for training and exposure to the meeting zone. ...
1) I assume the gender discrimination is because female immigrants can sometimes haul babies into combat, who then die? Any other reasons?
2) Regarding "boot camp training" (if you don't know what we're talking about, check... "Cross training" ? on the wiki), I agree that it never seemed to make sense - you're gaining xp towards attributes, but you could be gaining xp while doing, say, sparring, which also increases relevant skills. Is there any compelling reason to pursue crosstraining?
3) Restricted traffic zones affect relative costs of different paths. They don't affect whether a dwarf will enter/leave/traverse a region if there's no alternative. (For details, read the traffic section on the wiki.) How does designating your entire entrance as Restricted affect anything, if they need to go through that section - and no alternatives exist - in order to get somewhere in the "unprotected outside" ? The only change I can see would be increased pathfinding cost as the pathfinding algorithm spends more cycles looking for paths inside your fortress.
4) Could someone explain exactly how military dwarves get tired of continued service, and the consequences? I can't find anything on the wiki.
Another option is to hollow out a very large two-z-level tall underground room directly below a forest, prop it up from below with a lever-activted support, then channel out all around it. After recalling all your Dwarves to a safe place, pull the lever, collapsing the forest into the huge underground room. Then roof it over at the first underground level (to prevent enemy archers from standing at the rim and taking pot-shots at your Berry-Pickers, Lumberjacks and Haulers).
Wait... you can do this? Goodness. And the forest is intact, below in your fort? I'd be tempted to try it but I usually do the moat+curtain wall around 99% of the map (once my fort is far enough along that I have the military muscle to protect the workers during the project).
NExt question: 40d, 40d14, 40d16... what all are these versions? What are the big differences? Which one is most stable? Which one is cooler?
The versions with a number after d (like 40d16, the newest, by the way) are released by Baughn (though he's not the only one working on them, AFAIK), and not by the dev Toady himself. They include some bugfixes, but are mostly attempts at speeding up DF. If you haven't tried them already, then you should do so. A lot of people have experienced better performance with those versions.
I notice 40d16 has no "grid" options in its init file. Is this part of the speeding up Open GL?
1) 40d16 has no grid options in the init because a) the grid is automatically calculated when in windowed mode, so resizing the window is equivalent to setting a new grid option, and more convenient, and b) the grid is calculated in fullscreen mode assuming you want tiles at their native resolution, and as many of them as fit into your screen. Both are reasonable assumptions; the only time you might want to specifically set a grid option would be if for some OCD reason you absolutely must have the grid perfectly fill in a windowed-mode window.
2) In my experience, 40d (no OpenGL update) is more stable, and has fewer/no input bugs. 40d16 has problems with losing keyboard input while alt-tabbing in/out of fullscreen mode, and has crashed once for me in ~a week, while 40d has never crashed for me.
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on December 18, 2009, 05:54:59 am
1) I assume the gender discrimination is because female immigrants can sometimes haul babies into combat, who then die? Any other reasons?
2) Regarding "boot camp training" (if you don't know what we're talking about, check... "Cross training" ? on the wiki), I agree that it never seemed to make sense - you're gaining xp towards attributes, but you could be gaining xp while doing, say, sparring, which also increases relevant skills. Is there any compelling reason to pursue crosstraining?
3) Restricted traffic zones affect relative costs of different paths. They don't affect whether a dwarf will enter/leave/traverse a region if there's no alternative. (For details, read the traffic section on the wiki.) How does designating your entire entrance as Restricted affect anything, if they need to go through that section - and no alternatives exist - in order to get somewhere in the "unprotected outside" ? The only change I can see would be increased pathfinding cost as the pathfinding algorithm spends more cycles looking for paths inside your fortress.
4) Could someone explain exactly how military dwarves get tired of continued service, and the consequences? I can't find anything on the wiki.
I can answer some of those.
1) While there isn't a real gender separation in the game (yet?), female dwarves do in fact carry babies into combat, and those babies are VERY likely to catch arrows, or be dropped if/when the mother dies/is injured. Fortress Guard are much less likely to suffer such consequences.
2) The real challenge for dwarves is often surviving the bootcamp training. Stats help here significantly. Also, some cross-training techniques tend to skill dwarves really fast, resulting in fast stat gain. The end result is usually a superior soldier of equal skill, which is more likely to survive
3) Forbidden algorith essentially says "unless it's farther than 25 squares for each square through this, don't go here", and dwarves won't wander in. They will go inside however if they have a task there, ie. workshop. But sounds like you already know that.
4) Most dwarves will get fairly tired of being on-duty, and receive a negative thought. Comparably, I've had higher-skill dwarves who would get quite upset if I took them off duty. Keep an eye on the profile and you'll be fine.
Post by: Crowbar on December 18, 2009, 08:01:40 am
Post by: Skorpion on December 18, 2009, 08:32:26 am
If I drop a critter into a deep pit and it lands on of my dwarfs or hounds will they get hurt?
No. Neither one, actually.
The fortress guard (female migrants are surplus to requirements ...
The military itself is recruited from male migrants. ...
I don't bother to boot-camp train them, ...
There's a big chunk of Restricted access over the main entrance, to discourage anyone wandering outside ...
Squads have a season or two on duty, then the rest of the year off for training and exposure to the meeting zone. ...
1) I assume the gender discrimination is because female immigrants can sometimes haul babies into combat, who then die? Any other reasons?
2) Regarding "boot camp training" (if you don't know what we're talking about, check... "Cross training" ? on the wiki), I agree that it never seemed to make sense - you're gaining xp towards attributes, but you could be gaining xp while doing, say, sparring, which also increases relevant skills. Is there any compelling reason to pursue crosstraining?
3) Restricted traffic zones affect relative costs of different paths. They don't affect whether a dwarf will enter/leave/traverse a region if there's no alternative. (For details, read the traffic section on the wiki.) How does designating your entire entrance as Restricted affect anything, if they need to go through that section - and no alternatives exist - in order to get somewhere in the "unprotected outside" ? The only change I can see would be increased pathfinding cost as the pathfinding algorithm spends more cycles looking for paths inside your fortress.
4) Could someone explain exactly how military dwarves get tired of continued service, and the consequences? I can't find anything on the wiki.
1. Mothers get unhappy when their babies take a spear for them. If a siege is particularly nasty, I don't want a bezerk champion.
2. Cross-training gives them plenty of experience before they start training, so they have increased agility and toughness to avoid being killed by Urist mcSparringPartner. Also, more stats for combat.
3. It means they won't go outside unless there's no indoor alternative. Less casualties.
4. They get more and more unhappy the longer they're on duty. Wandering around on patrol makes it quicker. You do NOT want your multi-legendary champion to go on a killing spree because her baby got shot and put her over the edge into bezerk, and then kill the super-popular philosopher moving dogs around, causing a tantrum spiral.
Post by: Kav on December 18, 2009, 02:44:27 pm
I do not have a fast computer. I normally get 30-60 frames depending on size of my forts.
So what's the deal with animals killing fps? Unable to reproduce, closing ticket. lol
Post by: fizmat on December 18, 2009, 03:23:55 pm
So what's the deal with animals killing fps? Unable to reproduce, closing ticket. lolI think that refers to the bug with pets and pet-impassible doors. Pets can't open them but try to path through them, which means they stand in front of a door and constantly try to find a path, using a lot of processor time and eating FPS. Seems that letting many pets roam free kills hauling, controlling them with a pet-forbidden door kills fps, and controlling them with a cage kills breeding. A more creative solution like a locked pit is the best.
All that from wiki and forum, not experiments :(.
Post by: Kethas on December 18, 2009, 09:28:12 pm
Post by: Kav on December 19, 2009, 03:10:20 am
But apparently i may have never gotten the problem because I never have any pet impassable doors. I will attempt to reproduce this behavior next time I go dog breeding.
Post by: Amalgam on December 19, 2009, 03:24:52 am
You seem to have misunderstood me. I apologize. I'm saying I've never seen a frame rate decrease from animals. They hang out at a meeting hall all day long and fps is no better or worse than when they're all in one cage. I know exactly what the wiki says and I am questioning it here because I have never seen my fps go down as a result of letting 100 animals roam free.
But apparently i may have never gotten the problem because I never have any pet impassable doors. I will attempt to reproduce this behavior next time I go dog breeding.
You need a pretty significant number of animals for there to be a noticeable difference... I think 20 animals might net you a 10 fps loss, and it's not easy to see these changes with the framerate constantly fluctuating, but it's definitely there. I only allow mature females and a male to roam the fort, and even then I pen the up when I can. This might not be too much of a problem initially but if you fall victim to the catsplosion you can have upwards of 50 cats running around... Not good, especially when they're in high traffic areas and they keep forcing your dwarves to path around them.
EDIT: Wait, 100 pets?... You're sure your framerate isn't capping at 100? That will definitely cause some framerate loss, doors or not.
Post by: Kethas on December 19, 2009, 03:44:57 am
You seem to have misunderstood me. I apologize. I'm saying I've never seen a frame rate decrease from animals. They hang out at a meeting hall all day long and fps is no better or worse than when they're all in one cage. I know exactly what the wiki says and I am questioning it here because I have never seen my fps go down as a result of letting 100 animals roam free.
But apparently i may have never gotten the problem because I never have any pet impassable doors. I will attempt to reproduce this behavior next time I go dog breeding.
Nodnod. My post was directed at fizmat's summary of people that DO have fps issues - if you're not, hey, I'm not one to complain.
Post by: Kinoko_Otoko on December 19, 2009, 03:48:19 am
How the hell do I make these retards empty the damn bag?
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On a related note, does anyone know whether a suggestion has been made for 'display cases' to hold non-furniture items, the way weapon traps can hold artifact weapons to boost a room's value? I'd hate to re-suggest something.
Post by: silhouette on December 19, 2009, 04:33:55 am
Also make the bag so its not furniture?
Post by: Kinoko_Otoko on December 19, 2009, 05:12:10 am
It's sitting in a sandbag stockpile.
Post by: fizmat on December 19, 2009, 05:22:50 am
I'm pretty sure they can't fill a bag with sand if it's already furniture... Mine isn't anyway. That's why it got filled with sand; I forgot to set it as furniture right away.Maybe a legendary glassmaker can touch artifact bags? Might be lost forever seeing as there are no "champion" glassmakers and non-cahmions don't "use" artifacts...
It's sitting in a sandbag stockpile.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 19, 2009, 05:25:06 am
Are you sure that the artifact bag isn't on its way to a stockpile or something like that? There shouldn't be any problem with a glassmaker being unable to use an artifact bag.
Have you tried dumping the sand directly out of the bag?
Post by: uttaku on December 19, 2009, 12:07:00 pm
Post by: Skorpion on December 19, 2009, 01:35:02 pm
Post by: fizmat on December 19, 2009, 01:44:55 pm
Pets used to cause an FPS drop with pathfinding. D11 and onwards fixed that by greatly simplifying their pathfinding.I wish d40+ didn't crash regularly on my laptop.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 19, 2009, 03:41:38 pm
Pets used to cause an FPS drop with pathfinding. D11 and onwards fixed that by greatly simplifying their pathfinding.
You greatly mistake the difference between versions.
I believe pet pathfinding was fixed well before the d# versions of DF.
Post by: assimilateur on December 19, 2009, 03:59:12 pm
I believe pet pathfinding was fixed well before the d# versions of DF.
So you mean that pets milling about your meeting area don't cause lag? I mean, I was hoping that this was the case, but I thought the conventional wisdom said otherwise.
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 19, 2009, 04:04:20 pm
But that wasn't the point of my remark.
The improved pet pathfinding algorithm is not in any of the d# versions. It was put in the game some time before that, although I couldn't tell you which version it was included in off hand.
Post by: Skorpion on December 19, 2009, 04:07:34 pm
But animals do still create lag by forcing dwarves to change their pathing. Cage the fuckers anyway.
Post by: Corinthius on December 19, 2009, 04:14:50 pm
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1920393/Screenshot-2.png
Post by: blue emu on December 19, 2009, 04:28:36 pm
I'm having a terrible time finding a good place to start. I'm trying on of those pregen maps. In this picture, the top picture is the actual game, the bottom picture is the picture that shows me where to go. Why the discrepancy?
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1920393/Screenshot-2.png
The pregenerated world must have been originally built under a different game version, or without the mods that you are using. Mods or version differences will often change the world gen.
Post by: Hortun on December 19, 2009, 04:36:02 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 19, 2009, 04:42:30 pm
1. Go to Legends mode and export the world gen info if you don't have a fort running.
2. Hit escape, and export an image if you do have a fort running.
Both will export a world generation information text file to the main DF folder.
Post by: assimilateur on December 19, 2009, 04:46:41 pm
Cage the fuckers anyway.
That's out of the question for me. Releasing them to be impregnated after each birth is too much micromanagement. Right now I keep them in my meeting hall, but am going to make a couple dozen ropes for them. That way I've got more realism (compared to quantum-caging anyway, and I can sort of make believe that the ropes are actually long enough for my males to reach my females and/or that someone with the animal caretaker labor... takes care of them, instead of letting them breed via spores), more work for my tailor, and possibly better performance. Win fucking win.
If you still have the region folder, you can:
1. Go to Legends mode and export the world gen info if you don't have a fort running.
2. Hit escape, and export an image if you do have a fort running.
Both will export a world generation information text file to the main DF folder.
Oh man, all the time I was thinking "export image" did literally just that, instead of doing something useful like exporting world gen data.
Post by: Hortun on December 19, 2009, 04:50:15 pm
If you still have the region folder, you can:
1. Go to Legends mode and export the world gen info if you don't have a fort running.
2. Hit escape, and export an image if you do have a fort running.
Both will export a world generation information text file to the main DF folder.
Ah wonderful, thanks!
Post by: Hortun on December 21, 2009, 10:11:36 pm
I'd like to try to rely minimally on farming by making food production based on animals. In this there are a few problems, though.
Firstly, having huge herds of stray watevers bogs the FPS down immensely. If I want to do this, I'll need to pit them somewhere that prevents pathing. I know animals will still try to path through forbidden doors, but will they path through closed flood gates? I hear that closed bridges will break pathing, but that being near a meeting area can mean that they'll still try and path there regardless?
Secondly is pet issues. If I keep the livestock locked in a remote part of the fortress, will I still have to worry about dwarves other than the butcher adopting them? Or do they just sense that the animal is there and claim it like with spore breeding?
Lastly is if there are pets, can they be pitted like other animals? And if they can, what would be the simplest killing machine for them? I was thinking installing an upright spike in a one-tile sized animal containment chamber and pulling the lever until the screaming stops. Will upright spikes get stuck in cows? Drowning chambers seem overly complicated for this and drop pads require the dwarves to walk down ten Z levels to retrieve the meat (or up ten levels to drop them). Any other fun slaughter ideas?
Post by: Remalle on December 21, 2009, 10:42:17 pm
Post by: smjjames on December 21, 2009, 10:51:39 pm
Spikes get stuck too often to be a useful deathtrap. I'd recommend a 2x1 repeating raising bridge at the bottom of a pit.
Not unless he wants to retrieve the bones and meat.
Really though, I've never had an issue with repeating spikes that were operated by a lever since they massacre goblins just fine. I don't think spikes do get stuck.
Post by: Odd!x on December 21, 2009, 11:23:19 pm
Post by: silhouette on December 21, 2009, 11:48:08 pm
close the workshop in with a stockpile of the stone you want to be made out of,.
Post by: Odd!x on December 22, 2009, 02:09:20 am
also, is there a way to review a trade agreement after the liaison has left so a scatterbrain can remember exactly *what* he needs to make to benefit himself the most? ::)
Post by: Hortun on December 22, 2009, 02:17:04 am
also, is there a way to review a trade agreement after the liaison has left so a scatterbrain can remember exactly *what* he needs to make to benefit himself the most? ::)
Sadly, no. I used to take screenshots of the trade agreements before I stopped caring about them :P
I'm still curious as to whether dwarves will adopt pets regardless of proximity, i.e. a dwarf adopting a donkey locked in a room in the deep forbidden depths of the fort.
Post by: silhouette on December 22, 2009, 02:38:56 am
HE LIEES.also, is there a way to review a trade agreement after the liaison has left so a scatterbrain can remember exactly *what* he needs to make to benefit himself the most? ::)
Sadly, no. I used to take screenshots of the trade agreements before I stopped caring about them :P
I'm still curious as to whether dwarves will adopt pets regardless of proximity, i.e. a dwarf adopting a donkey locked in a room in the deep forbidden depths of the fort.
LIIIIEEEEESSSS.
you can do it.
Press c, then highlight the civ you want to see your trade agreement with. then enter.
then continue on pressing tab till you get to the exports and imports agreement, make it so the exports are at the top of the screen then press enter.
Walla, what the liason wants!
if you do imports you can see what you ordered aswell.
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I assume from what you're saying is that a given mason will prefer a stockpile filled with economic stone to a hunk of granite just sitting around?no i mean this...
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#SSSSS.WWW#
#SSSSS#WWWD
#SSSSS#WWW#
############ is wallS is stockpile with what stone you want in it or what ever.
. is dug out tile without anything on it.
W is masons workshop
D is LOCKED DOOR (a.k.a forbiddin door)
This FORCES the mason to use the stone thats set in the stockpile as he has no where else to go to collect stone.
Also make it so it isnt economic or w/e, i mean make it so its green not red highlighted.
Post by: Jack_Bread on December 22, 2009, 03:43:15 am
Post by: CaptainNitpick on December 22, 2009, 05:47:13 am
Firstly, having huge herds of stray watevers bogs the FPS down immensely. If I want to do this, I'll need to pit them somewhere that prevents pathing. I know animals will still try to path through forbidden doors, but will they path through closed flood gates?
They try to path through pet-impassable doors, not forbidden. Anything that would stop a dwarf stops their pathing.
Secondly is pet issues. If I keep the livestock locked in a remote part of the fortress, will I still have to worry about dwarves other than the butcher adopting them? Or do they just sense that the animal is there and claim it like with spore breeding?
Animals have to be explicitly designated as adoptable before they can be adopted as pets. You don't have to worry about your fortress adopting your beef. Cats are a special exception.
I've never actually designated animals for adoption, so I don't know how far away it works.
Lastly is if there are pets, can they be pitted like other animals?
You can't pit pets.
drop pads require the dwarves to walk down ten Z levels to retrieve the meat (or up ten levels to drop them).
Ten z-levels down is exactly as far as ten tiles to the left. Making use of that fact is useful for efficient fortress layout.
Post by: Skorpion on December 22, 2009, 02:52:51 pm
also, is there a way to review a trade agreement after the liaison has left so a scatterbrain can remember exactly *what* he needs to make to benefit himself the most? ::)
Nope. However, there's no point once you get a fey stonecrafter and bonecrafter, and maybe even a clothier.
You can basically just pile on the cinnabar mugs encrusted with semi-precious gems, goblin skull totems decorated with the bones of the fish you bought off last year's caravan, and plant fiber trinkets you made from the cloth the elves left behind when they mysteriously drowned. They don't care either way.
Post by: ed boy on December 22, 2009, 03:43:02 pm
does anybody know this distance?
Post by: smjjames on December 22, 2009, 03:52:30 pm
Dwarves often tend to get within a few tiles of a critter before cancelling and occasionally end up pratically right next to the critter before cancelling. Sometimes they will even walk right past without noticing.
It should be easily testable with a chained marmot or something.
Post by: Elvang on December 22, 2009, 04:43:12 pm
Post by: Time Kitten on December 23, 2009, 03:28:11 am
also, is there a way to review a trade agreement after the liaison has left so a scatterbrain can remember exactly *what* he needs to make to benefit himself the most? ::)(c)iv screen, relevant civ, tab tab, profit.
Post by: Inyssius on December 23, 2009, 05:27:21 am
I want to embark in a location with ludicrously fatal weather part of the time. Like, a temperate winter and a thermonuclear summer. Can the game be modded to do this?
Post by: Elvang on December 23, 2009, 06:41:28 am
I want to embark in a location with ludicrously fatal weather part of the time. Like, a temperate winter and a thermonuclear summer. Can the game be modded to do this?Its possible, there was a fort awhile back that had a summer like that. You have to kick up the setttings in in world_gen and mess with the variance, and hopefully the civs won't die out during world gen.
Post by: CognitiveDissonance on December 23, 2009, 06:50:27 am
Post by: Elvang on December 23, 2009, 06:53:31 am
Post by: Corinthius on December 23, 2009, 11:08:53 am
2) Magma safe questions: I have heard that not everything needs to be bauxite for the thing to work right. Suppose I wanted a functioning floodgate (not just a permanent lava block). I would need 1 floodgate, 1 mechanism for the lever, and 2 mechanisms for the linking. Which of these would need to be bauxite for the floodgate to open and close in and around magma?
Thanks!
Post by: absynthe7 on December 23, 2009, 11:41:24 am
Post by: gtmattz on December 23, 2009, 11:44:11 am
Will a raised drawbridge stop magma?
Yes, even if it is not magma safe. The problems arise when you lower the bridge and magma occupies the same space. Then the bridge will deconstruct if it or its mechanism are not magma safe.
Post by: assimilateur on December 23, 2009, 11:47:24 am
Will magma melt/destroy a locked rock hatch if it flows over it?
If by that you imply that you won't need to open said hatch (I assume as much, since you probably said "flows over it" instead of "through it" for a reason), then you might as well build a flow. The magma won't damage it.
If you do need hatch functionality, then you're going to need one that's magma-safe (for example out of bauxite, iron or nickel silver), and use a bauxite mechanism in it (only on the target, not the lever).
Post by: Samyotix on December 23, 2009, 12:25:06 pm
1) My fort can now support a noble. The wiki was helpful as to their function, but my questions is, do I really need one at all? Will my dwarves misbehave more if I don't have one?
1. Some nobles will arrive as immigrants. The Dungeonmaster usually becomes my best smith within two years ... apart from that, dwarves may get unhappy thoughts if you do not assign a Sheriff, but it may prevent hammerings (--> dwarven justice).
Their likes (e.g. loves Gold or Axes) are random; they base their demands and mandates on them. I'm not sure how far you have to savescum back to get e.g. a different Baron. The king has no likes or dislikes.
My tip would be not to ignore the fact that you'll get nobles & especially (?) a king.
I restarted the same location a few times... the first time, I started making high-value (masterwork, gem-studded, bone-studded) furniture when he arrived, and he went berserk fairly soon so I restarted. The second time around, my first mood was a gemsetter and the second a bonecrafter ... King had a royal room when he arrived, and stayed ecstatic until I got bored. (Other players just kill nobles who become annoying).
Post by: Corinthius on December 23, 2009, 12:58:31 pm
Post by: Elvang on December 23, 2009, 01:21:10 pm
2) Magma safe questions: I have heard that not everything needs to be bauxite for the thing to work right. Suppose I wanted a functioning floodgate (not just a permanent lava block). I would need 1 floodgate, 1 mechanism for the lever, and 2 mechanisms for the linking. Which of these would need to be bauxite for the floodgate to open and close in and around magma?Floodgate and the mechanism that goes into it (the mechanism selection screen will tell you which is which).
Post by: assimilateur on December 23, 2009, 01:40:00 pm
Floodgate and the mechanism that goes into it (the mechanism selection screen will tell you which is which).
Just pointing out (I think I've already said that on another occasion in this very thread), that floodgates needn't be out of bauxite if you're running short on it. You can also forge them out of magma-safe metals. Refer to the wiki for which those are (iron and steel come to mind, but there are others).
Post by: silhouette on December 26, 2009, 01:52:26 am
Ok, problem.
i have a magma source of my map ( magma pipe 5 squares away from my central staircase).
And have found it.
Problem is I cant build any magma buildings, they just dont show up.
How in hell do i fix this?
i dont want to have to re-gen or start a new fortress.
If it helps i reclaimed the place.
edit:
Damn bug with reclaiming... i like reclaiming... grrrr.... time to download that utility...
LIES
question is still sorta up.
i cant get the utility to work.
It comes up with the error
Cannont find dwarf fortress window
And 'tis up.
So, what can i go about to fix this, either making it so the utility works or that i can get mamga buildins another way.
edit: really self solved.
Post by: Odd!x on December 26, 2009, 05:30:01 am
Post by: assimilateur on December 26, 2009, 05:39:01 am
Note that one hit might not be enough to kill the cat (I'm just pointing this out in case you saw nothing happening and thought that it wasn't working; it will most definitely work if you've remembered to link the lever to the trap).
Post by: kendo on December 26, 2009, 07:08:59 am
1. I modded Iron to be used in mechanisms, does it take a new game to take effect? Or just a reboot? I tried it without rebooting or starting a new game. I could make iron mechanisms, and i queued a few up in my forge but they were never built. Like the game didn't understand the change.
2. If I mod a creature to be able to breed/ be tamed /trained as a war animal does that require a new game to take effect?
Post by: assimilateur on December 26, 2009, 07:26:00 am
ad. 2. I'm positive (I've done so to unicorns lately and it worked without a hitch) about the breeding and taming modifications not requiring a regen, and almost positive about that training thing not requiring it either. I can vouch for the former, and you can easily test the latter one yourself. Just add [trAINABLE] to one of the species you've got in your latest fort, other than dogs, obviously, and see if it works immediately after the reboot. You don't need to wait months as you would with making an animal breedable.
Post by: kendo on December 26, 2009, 07:37:48 am
Post by: assimilateur on December 26, 2009, 07:46:48 am
Thanks for the reply, yes I did have iron available but all the workers there seemed to ignore the order - till I made a different non modded order higher priority then they built that and ignored the mechanisms order
Well, in that case I do not know how to help you with those iron mechanisms. That said, I just thought of something that might help you.
I assume you want to make iron mechanisms because of iron's high melting temperature, right? You can change the melting/boiling/etc. temperature of materials, so you could go to your stone minerals file in the raws and change the melting and boiling temperature of something relatively abundant, like alunite, to something no lower than that of bauxite. This should work without a regen, but it's not perfect, because you will lose the ability of exposing of excess stone of that type via magma (which can be done by atom-smashing, or chasming if a chasm is available, instead).
Post by: kendo on December 26, 2009, 02:38:14 pm
Post by: Kyronea on December 26, 2009, 04:45:23 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on December 27, 2009, 07:43:19 pm
Are prisoners adults? Or are they children, too?Repost 'cause I need an answer. :P
Post by: Elvin on December 27, 2009, 07:50:29 pm
Post by: ed boy on December 27, 2009, 08:38:52 pm
Post by: silhouette on December 27, 2009, 08:44:59 pm
Post by: Skorpion on December 27, 2009, 10:21:37 pm
Either put him in the fortress guard to make up numbers, or wall him in to let him die.
Post by: Jack_Bread on December 27, 2009, 10:39:33 pm
I've had some cases where my prisoners have given birth, while still in the cages. While I don't know if you can capture children, I know you can certainly have children in cages.I meant in adventure mode.
Sorry for not clarifying. :o
Post by: SirPenguin on December 28, 2009, 12:18:24 pm
Post by: Jake on December 28, 2009, 10:28:59 pm
1) Can crossbows fire at enemies occupying a z-level below the wielder if there's a clear line of sight, ie from a tower?
2) Can melee attacks be made through through fortifications if attacker and defender are standing right up against them?
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on December 28, 2009, 10:54:37 pm
Two related questions:
1) Can crossbows fire at enemies occupying a z-level below the wielder if there's a clear line of sight, ie from a tower?
2) Can melee attacks be made through through fortifications if attacker and defender are standing right up against them?
Yes and no.
Does the elven blasphemy of no wood products extend to obsidian short swords?
Post by: Grek on December 28, 2009, 11:26:13 pm
Does the elven blasphemy of no wood products extend to obsidian short swords?
Yes.
Post by: Skorpion on December 28, 2009, 11:48:37 pm
Let them be content with skull totems, stone crafts, and gem-encrusted goblin clothing.
Post by: Hortun on December 29, 2009, 01:25:52 am
Post by: RurikGreenwulf on December 29, 2009, 02:52:15 pm
And I want to know if the water in channels evaporates?
Post by: rophl on December 29, 2009, 05:44:40 pm
I have ~10 idlers constantly, and the withered crops are put in the refuse pile almost as soon as they wither, so it's not a lack of dorfpower.
Halp?
Post by: Adbor on December 29, 2009, 05:53:58 pm
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Alright, I was going to craft some adamantine armor and weapons for an adventure mode dwarf and leave them in my abandoned fort. I was going to make a few iron or lead bins to put them in, but I'm not sure how to ensure that they're placed in those bins. I know how to make specialized stockpiles, but not how to designate certain bins to certain piles.Highlight the stockpile with Q and find "max bins" variable. Change it to the amount of bins you need and dorfs will bring them if they're available.
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And I want to know if the water in channels evaporates?As far as I'm concerned, no.
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When my most recent migrant wave arrived (taking me up to 64), my dorfs suddenly decided that picking their crops was passé, and now leave whole fields to wither away.Make sure the Standing Order "everyone harvests" is enabled, fields are reachable, you have space in your food stockpiles.
I have ~10 idlers constantly, and the withered crops are put in the refuse pile almost as soon as they wither, so it's not a lack of dorfpower.
Halp?
Post by: rophl on December 29, 2009, 06:19:58 pm
water in channels still evaporates if it's outside, check with K
Post by: ed boy on December 29, 2009, 07:37:54 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on December 29, 2009, 07:45:13 pm
Post by: Alexei403 on December 29, 2009, 08:04:53 pm
if you're muddying rock to make a farm, do you have to re-muddy?
If you do, you don't have to do it for at least 100 dwarf years or so. It's basically indefinite...Still, best to be on the safe side.
Post by: assimilateur on December 29, 2009, 08:27:39 pm
Still, best to be on the safe side.
What he said. Under normal conditions, you don't have to re-irrigate, but setting your waterworks up in a way that would allow for relatively easy re-irrigation does make sense. That's because you might make the mistake of smoothing your muddied ruck floors, which supposedly (I say supposedly, because I don't remember ever trying that) also cleans and dries them.
Post by: thobal on December 30, 2009, 12:45:48 am
Post by: Fossaman on December 30, 2009, 02:41:50 am
Kind of an important point for me, since smashed windows will equal a two-thirds flooded fortress. Which would be epic.
Post by: DwarfOfDefeat on December 30, 2009, 02:59:27 am
Post by: Sphalerite on December 30, 2009, 09:10:10 am
Can tantrum-ing dwarves smash windows?While I haven't seen a tantruming dwarf specifically destroy a window (never had a tantruming dwarf near a window long enough), windows do seem to be grouped with statues and doors and other furniture as far as building destroyers are concerned. Tantruming dwarves will destroy furniture and workshops, so it wouldn't surprise me if they will destroy windows too.
Post by: monk12 on December 30, 2009, 01:10:27 pm
Can tantrum-ing dwarves smash windows?
Kind of an important point for me, since smashed windows will equal a two-thirds flooded fortress. Which would be epic.
So Dwarf Atlantis?
Post by: ed boy on December 30, 2009, 02:44:14 pm
Code: [Select]
Side view
#=wall
_=floor grate
E=entrance passage
#_#
EEEThe idea is that some animal is placed in the device, with a grate allowing to to see beneath. Will it be able to cover a 3-wide entrace passage?
Post by: Corinthius on December 30, 2009, 04:08:22 pm
My question: are there any serious ramifications of an annoying baron "accidentally" getting killed?
Post by: Vayre on December 30, 2009, 04:13:40 pm
Post by: Skorpion on December 30, 2009, 04:38:59 pm
Post by: Tcei on December 30, 2009, 04:49:01 pm
@ed boy, that's a great idea! Try it and see how it works!If he happens to be liked you may get a few unhappy dwarves (not likely tho) other than that the worst is that you'lll get a new baron.
My question: are there any serious ramifications of an annoying baron "accidentally" getting killed?
...That's because you might make the mistake of smoothing your muddied ruck floors, which supposedly (I say supposedly, because I don't remember ever trying that) also cleans and dries them.I can confirm this. I lost a glacier fort to starvation because of this.
Post by: nil on December 30, 2009, 05:51:51 pm
Is it normal for the workshop (P)rofile option to disappear and reappear at random?Not at random; however you need a manager to use workshop profiles. If he dies, you will need to appoint a new one before they work again.
Post by: Sphalerite on December 30, 2009, 07:58:12 pm
it won´t work, for kobolds and snatchers the animal or dwarf has to physically touch the thief, sight doesn´t workI have had chained war dogs repeatedly detect kobold thieves on the other side of a fortification. I don't know if detection from a few tiles away is as reliable as direct contact, but I do know that direct contact isn't required. I don't know if it works if the dog is on another Z-level, which was the question here.
Post by: Lukas on December 30, 2009, 09:16:58 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on December 30, 2009, 09:21:31 pm
Post by: Cal on December 30, 2009, 09:24:52 pm
none are tasked for other purposes (such as being hauled to a stockpile)
That's probably the reason, I have that problem all the time when working with small amount of things or bars that were just recently smelted.
Post by: Lukas on December 30, 2009, 09:38:48 pm
Post by: Raneman on December 30, 2009, 09:42:33 pm
Post by: SirPenguin on December 30, 2009, 10:05:30 pm
How do you twist a spear stuck in a wound?
Once a weapon penetrates a creature continuing to attack it will cause you to twist the weapon. Indefinitely. Moving away from the creature will allow you to attempt to pull it out of them, though there's a chance it'll get stuck.
Post by: Raneman on December 30, 2009, 10:15:32 pm
Post by: silhouette on December 30, 2009, 10:16:43 pm
Post by: Poot on December 31, 2009, 03:29:49 am
Post by: assimilateur on December 31, 2009, 03:33:37 am
I just had a little problem. My dwarves just got ambushed by kobolds, and they walked right into my 3x3 tile of traps and set none of them off. Why is this?
That's because kobolds are able to avoid traps. That's due to their [trAPAVOID] tag, which can be also added to any animal you choose.
Post by: Poot on December 31, 2009, 03:45:34 am
Post by: Sphalerite on December 31, 2009, 11:05:06 am
Also, is there any way to speed up the flow of magma by modding the files? It's taking an ungodly long time to get it where I want.Pumps. Magma doesn't respect pressure, but using a pump or chain of pumps to transfer magma from the pipe to where you want it is much faster than letting it flow on its own.
Post by: Corinthius on December 31, 2009, 04:13:28 pm
Post by: assimilateur on December 31, 2009, 04:54:52 pm
Uh oh. Goblins just slaughtered the dwarven caravan. Are they now at war with my dwarves? Will they still trade next year?
As far as I know they will still trade with you. Humans and elves do, in similar circumstances, so I don't see why dwarves wouldn't. If the goblins did wipe out your liaison, however, that might be a problem, as you won't be able to order stuff from the Mountainhome.
Post by: Sphalerite on December 31, 2009, 06:16:22 pm
Post by: Corinthius on December 31, 2009, 11:40:08 pm
Post by: uttaku on January 01, 2010, 05:12:04 am
Post by: Quixim on January 01, 2010, 02:48:55 pm
I can grab the throat, and then at the top it says "Strangle throat with whatever", and if I grab something with a hand, it tells me I can pinch, but I've never gotten the message saying I can lock or break a joint or anything. Is there something I'm missing? Do I have to grab, say, the upper body with the arm? Or maybe drop my weapon and shield in order to break limbs?
Post by: silhouette on January 01, 2010, 10:22:47 pm
animals dont have joints unless you mod them in, or download a mod that mods them in.
Post by: Skorpion on January 02, 2010, 01:21:42 am
Some of my military died in a fire, and their gear is guarded by flaming meat and fish.
Post by: silhouette on January 02, 2010, 03:17:48 am
Post by: Magick on January 02, 2010, 04:39:19 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 02, 2010, 04:42:58 pm
Little question, were i to add [SHARP] to a stone, would it require a regen?
In the matgloss_stone_layer.txt file. Adding it to a stone in the matgloss_stone_mineral.txt file might work too. As to it requiring a regen, I don't think so, but you can easily test that out yourself if you're already embarked. Just add it to a stone you got in abundance and if making stone swords from it doesn't work, then there's your answer.
Post by: Jake on January 02, 2010, 06:24:15 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 02, 2010, 09:59:28 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 02, 2010, 10:10:07 pm
What does it mean when a dwarf "made a satisfying acquisition?"
I'm not sure, but I think that's when they buy something. I vaguely recall having seen that even in my forts, which I play with economy disabled, and I figure this might be when they get some new clothes from the stockpile, when their current ones are in a state of disrepair.
Post by: Skorpion on January 02, 2010, 10:48:13 pm
What does it mean when a dwarf "made a satisfying acquisition?"
They've got hold of something new and shiny.
That happy thought is exactly why legendary clothiers are useful. New socks for the legendaries! MASTERWORK socks!
Post by: darkflagrance on January 02, 2010, 11:37:26 pm
Speaking of regen, can I add stuff to item_ammo without doing so? I forgot to add my special bolts.
You cannot add new entries of any kind without regens.
quick vagely related question if you play as a different race human for example can you go to war with either dwarves or humans?
Yes, if you mod the game correctly. You can never go to war with whatever your home civ is.
Post by: assimilateur on January 02, 2010, 11:55:28 pm
quick vagely related question if you play as a different race human for example can you go to war with either dwarves or humans?
1. When you're posting on a forum, and not typing a text message on your cell, it is generally appreciated if you take the time to use proper punctuation and capitalization.
2. Depends on whether you mean officially declared war, about the modding of which I have no idea, or whether you're satisfied with a general (not formalized?) hostility, like the one exhibited by goblins towards your fortress in the unmodded game.
In short, if you want to get attacked by a civilization, then you should do the following: remove their [INTELLIGENT] tag and replace it with [CAN_CIV] and [CAN_LEARN]; the reasoning behind this is that an inability to communicate breeds hostility. I've modded my humans and elves that way, playing as dwarves, and it worked quite well.
If you want violence to really escalate, so you'll be besieged during your first summer, there's a couple things you need to do. Look for any [AMBUSHER], [SIEGER], [BABYSNATCHER], and [ITEM_THIEF] tags in your desired hostile entities, and get rid of them. I also removed [SKULKING] from my Kobolds' entry, but I'm not sure if that ever did anything in the first place. You should also set the variables on any [PROGRESS_TRIGGER] tags to 1.
The above changes are all done in the creature_standard and entity_default files.
Post by: Skorpion on January 03, 2010, 01:00:17 am
I ask because there's a leather quiver making everyone annoyed and sad. I've designated a pond over it, but nobody's filled yet.
Post by: Hortun on January 03, 2010, 01:46:12 am
Do artifacts ever go out?
I ask because there's a leather quiver making everyone annoyed and sad. I've designated a pond over it, but nobody's filled yet.
They don't burn out from what I understand, which can be cool sometimes, but usually just annoying. I'd assume you could just dump enough water on it to put it out, but I've never tried it.
You can always channel your local river over to it if the pond isn't working out. :D
Post by: silhouette on January 03, 2010, 02:31:52 am
put it outside in the open.
Post by: Skorpion on January 03, 2010, 01:06:49 pm
If the pond won't put it out, I'm channeling it into a hole and flooring over.
Post by: Tycho on January 03, 2010, 03:15:19 pm
Is there a way to get dwarfs to gather up weapons/armor/cloths/misc stuff lying around, besides dump/reclaim? A trade caravan got caught in a string of ambushes, and everyone's dead, but all their stuff is lying in a pile. Not to mention everything left around my fortress after a tantrum spiral.
Is there a way to temporarily seal off an underground water canal? I tapped into a river by just mining underground between a mined out reservoir and the river. No floodgates installed at the time of construction. Since that time about 20 or so dwarfs have fallen down the well, generating miasma and leaving a pile of gear at the bottom. I tried engineering a collapse one z level above, but no dice.
Also, is there a way to reconstruct walls, or build something that acts the same and can have a door attached?
Post by: Skorpion on January 03, 2010, 03:18:26 pm
Also, WHY do people fall in wells? I've never had that problem.
EDIT:
Apparently you can put out artifacts. Yay for bucket chain fire extinguishing.
Post by: Slayer1557 on January 03, 2010, 08:11:13 pm
Also, I checked, he has no injuries either.
What the hell is going on? I've had this happen rarely before, but why?
Post by: Hortun on January 03, 2010, 11:17:12 pm
Why won't some dwarves spar? I had 2 dwarves train up to champion just fine. Then I brought another 4 dwarves into the military. They all trained wrestling up to a good level, about when they all became elite, and then I switched them to other weapons. 3 of them trained to champion level, one of them trained up to talented level and then stopped. He still has his weapon, and the other dwarves still train, but he will not. I bring in another 4 recruits into the military, training wrestling, and I switch Urist McNotrain to wrestling, hoping to bring him to champion level quicker than with axe skill. All four of them go to champion level, and Urist McNotrain has gained NO skill, in anything(military-wise).
Also, I checked, he has no injuries either.
What the hell is going on? I've had this happen rarely before, but why?
Well, if they have spinal injuries, that'll stop them, but you say they're uninjured. Are they marksdwarves? I know sometimes marksdwarves can be buggy about when they want to spar. Other than that, I'm not sure, really.
Does editing an existing smelter reaction require a regen? What about adding a new reaction?
Post by: Slayer1557 on January 04, 2010, 12:09:47 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 04, 2010, 12:56:01 am
Yea, if they had a spinal injury they would hardly be moving
Light gray, and I think even brown, spinal wounds don't incapacitate them at all when it comes to moving or doing civilian work. It would keep them from sparring. And yes, I know you've checked for wounds, I'm just pointing out the small error here that light spinal wounds necessarily entailed paralysis.
Check if your non-sparring dwarf has got his hands full in any way that would not be conducive to good ergonomics, as far as fighting or sparring is concerned. Sometimes, they will fuck up when picking up equipment and hold both a weapon and shield in one hand; also, when wrestling they sometimes strip clothing or equipment off their adversary, be they friend or foe, and refuse to let go. In that case, marking said items for dumping should sort you out.
Post by: uttaku on January 04, 2010, 05:20:42 am
This is why I love rose gold :)
Post by: labouts on January 04, 2010, 05:59:51 am
Yea, if they had a spinal injury they would hardly be moving, let alone sparring. But I know how to check for that anyway, so no. And for the record he is an Elite Wrestler. (Master Wrestling, Talented Axedwarf) although he refuses to train either. This usually occurs in one or two dwarves in every fort I play, but I wanna know why. Is it something I did? Can I fix it?
This might be too obvious, but did you make sure he's off duty? I made that mistake once. :-[
Also, I think the "Cautiousness", "Excellence" and/or "Lawfulness" Personality traits might affect their willingness to train after reaching a high skill.
Post by: Tycho on January 04, 2010, 10:00:51 am
Another question: When making floodgates more than one wide, does each 'floodgate' have to be connected individually to a leaver, or does only one in the row have to be connected?
Post by: Sphalerite on January 04, 2010, 10:13:26 am
Post by: Tycho on January 04, 2010, 11:41:15 am
Sorry, more questions:
Animal control. My horse/cat population is far out of control. I can't slaughter fast enough. They're always in the way of some project. I can't build cages fast enough. What do I do?
Suspended construction. Why won't my dwarfs finish sealing off the weak entrance? They'll finish it down to the last necessary wall piece, but won't complete it, so the goblins walk right in, rather than passing the marksdwarf shooting gallery.
Thanks.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 04, 2010, 12:03:32 pm
As for the wall - is the job suspended? Did you try un-suspending it? What message do you get when the job is suspended? Is there an object in the way? Alternately, if the job isn't suspended, can your dwarves reach a spot adjacent to the wall? Dwarves can walk though diagonals but they can't build through them.
Post by: Elvang on January 04, 2010, 12:07:21 pm
Post by: ed boy on January 04, 2010, 12:08:09 pm
Post by: qoonpooka on January 04, 2010, 01:25:11 pm
I have longland grass seeds, but my aboveground fields have no option to plant them. At first I thought it might be a list too big to show on the screen but it just doesn't show up at all no matter how much scrolling I do...
How does one grow this and whip vines?
Post by: smjjames on January 04, 2010, 01:33:54 pm
Does anybody know what age the inital seven dwarves start at?
For this version, no, but in the next version we will be seeing the ages of our dwarves.
While Toady did show us some of the new dwarven profile stuff and they all ranged from the 50s to 80s, dwarven middle age I think, we don't know if that is the norm for embark teams or not.
Post by: Kethas on January 04, 2010, 02:21:43 pm
Does anybody know what age the inital seven dwarves start at?For this version, no, but in the next version we will be seeing the ages of our dwarves.
Actually, this is a perfect segue for my question - do we have an ETA on the next version yet? I'm currently starting up what appears to be a promising fortress and would like to avoid investing a lot of time in it if we'll be getting a new version in a week anyway.
Post by: smjjames on January 04, 2010, 02:29:16 pm
Post by: qoonpooka on January 04, 2010, 05:47:18 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 04, 2010, 06:05:51 pm
Another quick one: what layers do people think of as 'best'?
Vanilla answer: probably sedimentary, because you are liable to get large clusters of magnetite, i.e. shitloads of iron.
Modded answer: whichever you want, because geology is easy to mod. You can mod your game to get large clusters of whatever ore you want, pretty much everywhere. Modding gems that way seems harder, however.
Post by: Corinthius on January 04, 2010, 09:45:32 pm
Question: my Dungeon has demanded a "item in Bedroom". I built an item (copper statue) in his bedroom, but this did not satisfy the demand... any idea what such a demand means?
Post by: Jay on January 04, 2010, 09:49:40 pm
Does anybody know what age the inital seven dwarves start at?Extensive modding and testing has proven that, in fact, your embark creatures always start within the range of (Maxage.Min/2):(MaxAge.Max/2)
Post by: geoduck on January 04, 2010, 09:55:52 pm
Question: my Dungeon has demanded a "item in Bedroom". I built an item (copper statue) in his bedroom, but this did not satisfy the demand... any idea what such a demand means?
You can't satisfy him; it's a programming bug. Fortunately, demands for room decor aren't deadly like production mandates, and you can just ignore the bugger.
Post by: darkflagrance on January 04, 2010, 09:58:05 pm
Above Ground Farming:
I have longland grass seeds, but my aboveground fields have no option to plant them. At first I thought it might be a list too big to show on the screen but it just doesn't show up at all no matter how much scrolling I do...
How does one grow this and whip vines?
It's not enough to have the seeds of above-ground plants. You won't be able to plant them until you obtain actual specimens of the plants themselves i.e. you actually need to have a whip vine or rope reed on hand.
Post by: assimilateur on January 04, 2010, 10:08:11 pm
deadly (...) production mandates
Keep in mind, though, that those are only as deadly as you allow them to be. Abstaining from appointing both a fortress guard and sheriff is, at least in my experience, a surefire way of avoiding any punishment, both corporal and incarceration.
Post by: Kethas on January 05, 2010, 12:31:08 am
deadly (...) production mandates
Keep in mind, though, that those are only as deadly as you allow them to be. Abstaining from appointing both a fortress guard and sheriff is, at least in my experience, a surefire way of avoiding any punishment, both corporal and incarceration.
... if you don't have a Hammerer noble, or you kill him when he arrives.
Post by: assimilateur on January 05, 2010, 12:38:18 am
Post by: ed boy on January 05, 2010, 05:41:32 am
Post by: dasutin on January 05, 2010, 05:43:49 am
I just started a new game and suddenly my dwarves are seemingly afraid of anything that's in the way of placing other items. When I try and place a bed or a door or build a wall, if there's a piece of stone where it's going to be, they normally move it, right? Now they just suspend the construction and I have to find a way to make them move it. What should I do about this? I made sure all the hauling jobs and whatnot are enabled.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 05, 2010, 09:24:33 am
In world gen, battles are wars and the like are modelled. In fortress mode, are such battles and things that are completely independent of your fort also modelled? If the liason were to die when not in your fort, would you get another oe#ne?I think, though I am not certain, that history no longer progresses outside your fortress once you begin playing in fortress mode. So no battles or other changes will take place outside your fortress while you are playing, and your liaison can only die at your fortress.
It is possible to have the fortress liaison killed in worldgen, in which case you will simply never get a liaison.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 05, 2010, 09:26:53 am
Hey, I've got a quick question.What is happening here is that the piece of stone is tasked for another job - building a wall somewhere else, being placed in a stone stockpile, being dumped, or about to be turned into a piece of furniture or stone mug or something. Dwarves will only move a stone out of the way if that stone is not already tasked for a job. You need to either wait for that stone to be moved (which can take forever if the job that stone is tasked for is also suspended) or find what job it's designated for and cancel it.
I just started a new game and suddenly my dwarves are seemingly afraid of anything that's in the way of placing other items. When I try and place a bed or a door or build a wall, if there's a piece of stone where it's going to be, they normally move it, right? Now they just suspend the construction and I have to find a way to make them move it. What should I do about this? I made sure all the hauling jobs and whatnot are enabled.
Post by: ed boy on January 05, 2010, 02:04:03 pm
Also, is there any way to be sieged by undead people without creating a whole new civ (is there any way to make undead goblins part of the goblin civilisations?)
Post by: dasutin on January 05, 2010, 05:54:59 pm
What is happening here is that the piece of stone is tasked for another job - building a wall somewhere else, being placed in a stone stockpile, being dumped, or about to be turned into a piece of furniture or stone mug or something. Dwarves will only move a stone out of the way if that stone is not already tasked for a job. You need to either wait for that stone to be moved (which can take forever if the job that stone is tasked for is also suspended) or find what job it's designated for and cancel it.Hey, that worked, thanks a bunch!
Post by: Zsword on January 05, 2010, 10:51:03 pm
Post by: Odd!x on January 05, 2010, 11:58:02 pm
can you sell furniture?
how do you sell animals?
Post by: Corinthius on January 06, 2010, 12:16:57 am
My question: this is embarrassing, but I'm color blind and having a difficult time telling what color this wound is. This archer brought down an entire ambush, but was unfortunately wounded, but I can't tell how badly! Could someone help me out? Thanks!
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1920393/Screenshot.png)
Post by: smjjames on January 06, 2010, 12:24:35 am
In the next version, you can at least change the colors for the wound indicators.
Post by: Zsword on January 06, 2010, 12:24:51 am
Post by: Corinthius on January 06, 2010, 12:27:48 am
Post by: Zsword on January 06, 2010, 12:41:07 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 06, 2010, 01:09:54 am
I'm not color-blind so I don't know what it's like.
There's different types of color blindness, so even if you were, you might not be able to appreciate the previous poster's problem.
Anyway, I'm not color blind, at least not to my knowledge, but I do am, shall we say, not very sensitive to color. I used to catch myself having problems differentiating between light wounds and lopped off in this game. I really don't understand why they'd use two shades of the same color for such diametrically different grades of trauma.
Post by: smjjames on January 06, 2010, 01:19:20 am
I'm not color-blind so I don't know what it's like.
There's different types of color blindness, so even if you were, you might not be able to appreciate the previous poster's problem.
Anyway, I'm not color blind, at least not to my knowledge, but I do am, shall we say, not very sensitive to color. I used to catch myself having problems differentiating between light wounds and lopped off in this game. I really don't understand why they'd use two shades of the same color for such diametrically different grades of trauma.
Actually, just about everybody could mistake one for the other because the two shades are similar and at first glance could be mistaken for bieng lopped off.
Post by: silhouette on January 06, 2010, 03:25:55 am
Post by: smjjames on January 06, 2010, 03:36:14 am
Post by: kobot on January 06, 2010, 04:52:07 am
It was so cold that upon embark five of my dwarves instantaneously froze to death and one of them suffered frostbite damage on every limb and fell into a coma from which he never awoke.
My one remaining dwarf, the farmer, quickly dug down a level to get out of the cold and began the lonely task of trying to build a fortress by himself. He was promptly eaten by a GCS which dwelt by the neighbouring chasm.
My question is why the cold effected my dwarves unevenly?
They were wearing roughly the same clothing, eg. no one had any armour on.
Post by: Vayre on January 06, 2010, 07:04:28 am
And a question from me, if I made a fortress, the laison died, then the fortress was abandoned, if I 1).Reclaimed that fortress or 2). made a new fortress ( but with the same parent civ) would either of those alforts get a new laison?
Post by: eastwind on January 06, 2010, 08:32:05 am
(I read on the wiki that exp is granted for this skill based on the amount of goods at the depot when he arrives -- but I don't know if you can get that to count multiple times during a single merchant visit)
Maybe I'm worried over something that isn't important, should I even care about the appraiser skill? I usually have so much goblin loot to sell after a couple of years that maybe I should bring a different skill and start at dabbling and not worry about it.
Post by: geoduck on January 06, 2010, 08:45:22 am
I never seem to get my appraiser leveled very far past what he embarks with (I always buy a proficient appraiser because it's so hard to level). Does anyone know if I can level this skill by repeatedly requesting the broker and sending him away during the same merchant visit?
(I read on the wiki that exp is granted for this skill based on the amount of goods at the depot when he arrives -- but I don't know if you can get that to count multiple times during a single merchant visit)
The wiki also says that your appraiser gains experience with every successful trade, so doing three or four small swaps with the same caravan might be better than one big one.
Since it's currently so easy to churn out/collect high-value trade goods, it's really not critical that your trader be super-experienced; just enough that you can see the prices, and the merchant's reaction to your offer(s). You get that long before "proficient" level.
Post by: AceOne on January 06, 2010, 03:22:34 pm
note: with out using chasms or anything like that either.
Post by: geoduck on January 06, 2010, 04:15:09 pm
I now that water drains if you get to the edge of the map (but you cant dig there) so does anyone one have any suggestions on how to get the water there, and if not... is there a mod around that lets you dig to the edge?
You can smooth (keys d - s) the stone at the very edge of the map, and then carve fortifications (keys d - a) in it. This will let the water drain out. You will need a dwarf with hir job set to "stone detailing." You should also carve a staircase down two or three levels at the end of your drain-tunnel and smooth/fortify there as well; makes sure the water doesn't back up and flood your fort.
Post by: happydog23 on January 06, 2010, 05:13:29 pm
1) Cave-in related:
If I mine out a room, and then build walls to refil the space... will A cave in punch through the rebuilt walls?
For Example:
Code: [Select]
XXXXXQQQXXXX
X__________X
X__________X
X__________X
XXXXXXXXXXXX
In the pictures above, if I cave in the three Q's (X's are un-mined space), I think the Q's are going to fall through the two floors and land on top of the bottom row of X's.But if I do this:
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XXXXXQQQXXXX
X__________X
X____CCC___X
X__________X
XXXXXXXXXXXX
Will the cave in punch through the Constructed walls? (the C's above).
And second (this has to do with HFS, so don't open the spoiler tags if you don't want to know.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks!
Post by: Elvang on January 06, 2010, 05:22:35 pm
2. Pretty sure that as soon as you see the blue the related message comes up.
Post by: Qwernt on January 06, 2010, 07:37:45 pm
Actually after modding a bit I am pretty sure that appraiser skill comes not from the trade, but from viewing the stuff. And it only works once per caravan. Basically I just added a digit or two to the max capacity and found that just opening the trading window (and closing it) once was enough to get a legendary trader. (how many legendary traders do you need?)I never seem to get my appraiser leveled very far past what he embarks with (I always buy a proficient appraiser because it's so hard to level). Does anyone know if I can level this skill by repeatedly requesting the broker and sending him away during the same merchant visit?
(I read on the wiki that exp is granted for this skill based on the amount of goods at the depot when he arrives -- but I don't know if you can get that to count multiple times during a single merchant visit)
The wiki also says that your appraiser gains experience with every successful trade, so doing three or four small swaps with the same caravan might be better than one big one.
Since it's currently so easy to churn out/collect high-value trade goods, it's really not critical that your trader be super-experienced; just enough that you can see the prices, and the merchant's reaction to your offer(s). You get that long before "proficient" level.
Post by: happydog23 on January 06, 2010, 08:00:07 pm
I'm thinking of filling a room with a constructed floor (and nothing but another constructed floor on the level below) with magma and dropping water from two floors above.... can you make obsidian that way? or will it deconstruct the floor the magma is on and potentially create a cavein?
And secondly, would it work better if instead of doing on a constructed foor, it was done on top of walls constructed from the level below?
Post by: gtmattz on January 06, 2010, 08:27:04 pm
HFS Question..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Skorpion on January 06, 2010, 08:59:12 pm
Post by: Odd!x on January 06, 2010, 11:39:50 pm
the details are I'm using maydayMIX graphics, 1280 x 800 full screen.
Post by: Elvang on January 06, 2010, 11:48:40 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 07, 2010, 12:13:36 am
Post by: Elvang on January 07, 2010, 12:18:58 am
Post by: Zsword on January 07, 2010, 12:22:31 am
Is it possible to have an adveturer with the [FLIER] trait to actually fly when PCed? If so, what are the default controls/settings/whatever?
I guess you could call tis a Questions bump... but I still haven't discoverred/recieved an answer so what other options do I have?
Post by: Elvang on January 07, 2010, 12:27:32 am
Post by: ed boy on January 07, 2010, 12:47:13 pm
If I'm making a clear glass window, it it better to make it straight from glass or raw glass which is then used to make a gem window?
Post by: Odd!x on January 07, 2010, 01:06:37 pm
Post by: kendo on January 07, 2010, 06:51:13 pm
Also how does the game restock maps with new creatures? Does a pack of local creatures have a chance to appear on your map each season?
Post by: Poot on January 07, 2010, 08:16:19 pm
Post by: smjjames on January 07, 2010, 08:21:12 pm
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Post by: NecroRebel on January 07, 2010, 10:50:52 pm
Post by: XmasApe on January 08, 2010, 08:52:21 am
Post by: Hannibal Barcalounger on January 08, 2010, 10:38:21 am
I've seen a suggestion on the wiki that beds just be placed in 1-square notches in a hallway to provide minimal accommodations, so I would think from that that doors aren't required. But all of the more complex bedroom layouts in the bedroom design (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Bedroom_design) wiki article save a square for doors.
Post by: XmasApe on January 08, 2010, 10:53:28 am
Post by: smjjames on January 08, 2010, 10:58:47 am
Doors aren't required to make a room, they just contain its layout (if not set to internal) and may or may not add their value to the value of the room (I really don't know that answer). I've built hundreds of rooms without doors.
I'm pretty sure they don't add value to the room. Might be more noticeable if you use doors with a high value as I generally just use stone doors. It does generate the 'admired own fine door' thought.
Post by: Tycho on January 08, 2010, 11:15:32 am
All the pumps are in place, the dwarfs just won't plug it in...
Post by: smjjames on January 08, 2010, 11:17:25 am
Is there a way to find the reason that the construction of a building was suspended?
All the pumps are in place, the dwarfs just won't plug it in...
It will say in the announcements the reason why they are cancelling construction.
Post by: INSANEcyborg on January 08, 2010, 12:57:12 pm
If I'm making a clear glass window, it it better to make it straight from glass or raw glass which is then used to make a gem window?
Glass windows are better than gem windows, they use a third of the raw materials and are worth more. Gem windows' value is equal to the 3 gems used to make it, and gems are worth Item value (3 for rough, 5 for cut) * material value(5 for clear glass). A glass window is worth Item Value (25) * material Value (5 for clear glass) * quality.
As for doors, I think they only add value if set to internal. But switching them to internal won't change the size of any existing rooms, so you can set the room up while its external, then switch it to get more value.
Post by: ed boy on January 08, 2010, 04:01:51 pm
Per unit of glass input, the value output either way is the same, one can just concentrate it more with the gem window option.
Post by: INSANEcyborg on January 08, 2010, 06:20:06 pm
But surely a gem window using clear cut glass as the gem will have a value of 25*value for each unit of glass?
Per unit of glass input, the value output either way is the same, one can just concentrate it more with the gem window option.
Err, I'm not sure what you mean, but glass windows are definitely worth more. Cut clear glass is worth 25 each, and a Gem window made from 3 would be worth 75, it doesn't get any other modifiers. A no quality clear glass window is worth 125, 25 for being a window * 5 for being clear glass, and a masterwork would be 1500. Gem windows would be worth more if the gems used had a quality rating, or if they were designed by an architect so the building would have a quality rating, but right now they're not worth much.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 08, 2010, 06:34:48 pm
Post by: Corinthius on January 08, 2010, 06:47:50 pm
1) Has anyone ever tried this? Does it work? (I want to be sure that just setting the lever to Repeat will actually cause the spikes to go up and down, and that there is no delay to mess this up...)
2) Roughly how many hits from a single steel spike would it take to kill a typical goblin
3) It is not mentioned on the wiki, but someone on the forums recently said that they built their spike traps in a channeled hallway. Will they not work if they are built right on the floor? They need to be one z-level lower than the targets?
Post by: happydog23 on January 08, 2010, 07:15:35 pm
If you put a waterfall behind a window, will dwarves still get happy thoughts from the mist? Or do they need to be able to touch the mist and potentially fall in to a cistern to be happy?
edit: forgot a y on they...
Post by: Rotten on January 08, 2010, 08:15:56 pm
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Post by: Asmodeous on January 08, 2010, 08:36:15 pm
Post by: ed boy on January 08, 2010, 08:39:07 pm
1) yes.
2) It varies. Each spike can have different effects, and some goblins are tougher than others.
3) they do not need to be on a z-level lower (otherwise how would the enemies walk over them?)
@ Happydog: I believe the dwarves need to actually go through the mist for the happy thought
@ Rotten: I believe the water will rise up through the diagonal gap. Any flying enemies will be able to do so too (and amphibious ones). !!clowns!! will actually evaporate the water in this situation.
Post by: Rotten on January 08, 2010, 08:55:31 pm
@ Rotten: I believe the water will rise up through the diagonal gap. Any flying enemies will be able to do so too (and amphibious ones). !!clowns!! will actually evaporate the water in this situation.Thanks! I needed to know that to plan a megaproject I hope to start soon.
Post by: smokingwreckage on January 08, 2010, 09:48:16 pm
Post by: SirPenguin on January 08, 2010, 10:38:04 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 08, 2010, 11:32:22 pm
You do not, however, want a dabbling sword user equipping an artifact sword, as powerful weapons in inexperienced hands increase the risk of sparring injuries. Instead I recommend that you forbid the weapon at first, make your champion reach legendary sword user training with a silver weapon, and only then make them equip the sword. This is pretty important, if you value safety, at least, because a champion who has once equipped an artifact will never unequip it unless he loses* the body part holding/wearing it.
*Breaking or crippling might also be enough, I'm not sure.
Post by: SirPenguin on January 08, 2010, 11:44:27 pm
Thanks for the answer - I have just the dwarf who I want carrying it
Post by: Odd!x on January 09, 2010, 04:38:46 am
on that topic, does running in windowed mode usually grind the fps to a halt? it does for me...
Post by: happydog23 on January 09, 2010, 05:45:21 pm
Happydog: waterfalls seem to work and generate mist while falling through floor grates. SO you should be able to keep your dwarves safe that way.
Yeah I knew that would work, but for my first waterfall experiments I was planning to do it behind windows if I could to relieve some of the potential flooding disasters that may happen.
Post by: Lumbajak on January 09, 2010, 05:55:11 pm
All my current military dwarves are set to unarmed
The squads are off-duty.
There is a large barracks area.
But rather than spar they feel like it would be a better idea to go sleep in my courtyard.
Post by: darkflagrance on January 09, 2010, 06:02:44 pm
Also, are your troops set to sleep in the barracks?
Post by: Lumbajak on January 09, 2010, 06:16:11 pm
...But, after a year of being typical dwarves, they finally decide to start sparring in the barracks.
I think the problem may have been that every time after setting that room as the barracks I hit the "Free bed" button.
Post by: geoduck on January 09, 2010, 07:39:32 pm
They are set to sleep in the barracks and they have no patrol routes currently.
...But, after a year of being typical dwarves, they finally decide to start sparring in the barracks.
I think the problem may have been that every time after setting that room as the barracks I hit the "Free bed" button.
A way to avoid that is to put an armor stand or weapon rack in there and use it instead.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 09, 2010, 08:18:03 pm
Post by: ed boy on January 09, 2010, 08:28:35 pm
I find it's quicker and easier to open up task manager, click on hte processes tab, and end the dwarffort.exe process.
Also, just got to the first winter on my latest fort, and no dwarven caravan has turned up - shouldn't they always turn up?
Post by: happydog23 on January 09, 2010, 08:30:41 pm
How do I savescum?
Assuming you are on windows and have a previous save of your fort, bring up task manager (ctrl-alt-delete or ctrl-shift-esc depending on windows version and config) and on the processes tab select dwarffort.exe and hit end process.
start up dwarf fort again and load your fort and nothing that you did or happened since your last save will have happened yet.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 09, 2010, 08:49:55 pm
Ed, where's the savegame folder? Is it Dwarf Fortress>data>save? Also, is it possible to just copy a few files instead of the entire folder, or do you need the whole folder to savescum?
Post by: happydog23 on January 09, 2010, 09:15:29 pm
I meant savescum like take many saves, not revert to a previous one.
Ed, where's the savegame folder? Is it Dwarf Fortress>data>save? Also, is it possible to just copy a few files instead of the entire folder, or do you need the whole folder to savescum?
I find if you go to the init file and set the following:
[AUTOSAVE:SEASONAL]
[AUTOBACKUP:YES]
[AUTOSAVE_PAUSE:NO]
You get plenty of saves... Worst case with this is that you have one season lost... And every save made is automatically backed up by season and year.
Post by: ed boy on January 09, 2010, 09:21:49 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 09, 2010, 10:26:43 pm
Is it more advisable to place my trade depot on the edge of the map or near my fortress (if so, inside or just outside)?
Post by: geoduck on January 10, 2010, 04:46:07 am
Is it more advisable to place my trade depot on the edge of the map or near my fortress (if so, inside or just outside)?
It's really up to you, but it's safer to put it as close to your fort entrance as possible, and save your dwarfs having to haul goods back and forth across open country. Just be sure there's a three-tile-wide clear path to at least one edge of the map.
If I stick with one of my forts long enough, I go one step further and build a more secure wagon-tunnel to the edge and put the depot right inside my barracks. Even quicker for hauling and further cuts down on Goblin ambushes.
Post by: lvk on January 10, 2010, 05:55:12 am
Also, is it possible for dwarf A to take the steel battle axe dwarf B is holding?
Post by: Elvang on January 10, 2010, 06:36:41 am
Tell dwarf B to go unarmed and he'll drop the axe (disable woodcutting too). If he grabbed the axe during wrestling you'll have to tell him to drop everything (set to no armor/shield) to make sure he lets go of it.
Post by: lvk on January 10, 2010, 06:42:42 am
You have to build the cage via b->j, then release the animal from the cage. I don't remember if wild animals can just be set free from the cage or if you have to link it to a lever to release them.So there's cage traps and normal cages? Is there a difference between the two, and what can I do with my rhesus macaque who fell for the cage trap?
Tell dwarf B to go unarmed and he'll drop the axe (disable woodcutting too). If he grabbed the axe during wrestling you'll have to tell him to drop everything (set to no armor/shield) to make sure he lets go of it.That worked, thanks a lot!
Post by: ed boy on January 10, 2010, 07:24:18 am
Oh wow. Thanks everyone!Keep in mind that it cannot go within 10 tiles of the edge - I've had to redesign many a fortress when I forgot this.
Is it more advisable to place my trade depot on the edge of the map or near my fortress (if so, inside or just outside)?
Post by: KingKaol on January 10, 2010, 09:02:22 am
Q: When I hit 'c' there is only one Civ showing, a dwarven civ. I don't remember a human trader coming yet. Am I going to get any human or elf traders or goblin attacks?
Post by: Quantum Toast on January 10, 2010, 09:57:49 am
Just started a new fort and noticed...I noticed the same thing with my current fort. I think civs don't show up in the list until you encounter them.
Q: When I hit 'c' there is only one Civ showing, a dwarven civ. I don't remember a human trader coming yet. Am I going to get any human or elf traders or goblin attacks?
Post by: moki on January 10, 2010, 11:53:53 am
Just started a new fort and noticed...I noticed the same thing with my current fort. I think civs don't show up in the list until you encounter them.
Q: When I hit 'c' there is only one Civ showing, a dwarven civ. I don't remember a human trader coming yet. Am I going to get any human or elf traders or goblin attacks?
That's true. Other civilisations only show up in the list after you encounter them at your site. Note that there are a few sites, that are indeed inaccessable, so no one will show up, ever. But that's rather rare.
Post by: McDolomite on January 10, 2010, 12:46:31 pm
1. I got a metalsmith mood exactly the moment I was moving my forges to a new location. There are 3 new magmaforges now but he won't claim one. What can I do?
2. Does light get through multiple glass floors? It would be logic but I don't know how the game handles it.
3. What if there is snow on top of the glass?
Post by: moki on January 10, 2010, 01:16:01 pm
Hi, I've got a few questions:
1. I got a metalsmith mood exactly the moment I was moving my forges to a new location. There are 3 new magmaforges now but he won't claim one. What can I do?
2. Does light get through multiple glass floors? It would be logic but I don't know how the game handles it.
3. What if there is snow on top of the glass?
1. Sometimes a moody dwarf will need the non-magma version a workshop (forge or glass furnace). Just build a regular forge and he'll start his work. He won't even need fuel, as he hammers out an artifact with his bare fists ;)
2. and 3. Light doesn't care about materials currently. It gets through glass just as it gets through steel. Once a square has been exposed to light (and is therefore counted as above-ground), you can encase it in 20 blocks of massive marble to every side and it won't become below-ground again, ever. Just <k> over any square to see what it says.
I still do like to build with glass, because it feels more real for me, even if the game doesn't care at all.
Post by: McDolomite on January 10, 2010, 01:34:20 pm
Post by: geoduck on January 10, 2010, 02:16:51 pm
Just started a new fort and noticed...
Q: When I hit 'c' there is only one Civ showing, a dwarven civ. I don't remember a human trader coming yet. Am I going to get any human or elf traders or goblin attacks?
For future reference, while still on the world map, you can hit your Tab key two or three times, and you'll get a list of all the civilizations that can reach the site currently being highlighted. Unbroken mountain ranges and/or oceans are what cut off access.
Post by: Remalle on January 10, 2010, 03:16:00 pm
Post by: Lumbajak on January 10, 2010, 04:04:37 pm
I've got 31 dwarves in a moderately sized fortress on a 7×6 embark location
While that may sound bad already, I once had 120 dwarves in a 8×6 site and had constant 60 fps at all times (Although this time I have the mayday tileset with dig deeper on)
It doesn't seem to have anything to do with total number of processes going on (jobs and whatnot) since it will stay at 100 when there's 0 idlers and then drop to 20 when it stops raining, or any number of random things.
And just for reference,
Windows 7 64bit
8GB RAM
Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q9300 2.50GHz
ATI HD 5870 1GB
Post by: Skorpion on January 10, 2010, 04:24:36 pm
At what water level is it possible to alt-move out of a channel?
Depends on swimming skill, IIRC.
As for framerate, it's determined by many many variables, such as phases of the moon, and so forth.
Generally, open up major pathing routes, clear rocks into chasms and magma to reduce stuff to calculate, and so forth. Lots of threads on it.
Post by: Elvang on January 10, 2010, 04:26:49 pm
So there's cage traps and normal cages? Is there a difference between the two, and what can I do with my rhesus macaque who fell for the cage trap?Built cages won't capture creatures if stepped on, and can be designated as zoos to give dwarves happy thoughts. Additionally, you can store more than one animal in the cage, and it can be a tame one too. As for the rhesus macaque, if you capture a couple so you have a male and female you can breed them for fun (their offspring won't be friendly unless tamed). Other players make arenas and such for captured creatures, could give that a try also.
Post by: Lumbajak on January 10, 2010, 04:29:48 pm
clear rocks into chasms and magma
Ah, I suppose that tile full of 500+ dumped rocks may have something to do with it then.
But I just don't want to throw away all that excess chalk.
I mean, how else will the children of my fortress know about hopscotch?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 10, 2010, 04:30:30 pm
What do I do
Post by: Lumbajak on January 10, 2010, 04:38:59 pm
Daaaaang I'm out of plump helmet spawnEat wood and drink stone?
What do I do
Post by: nil on January 10, 2010, 04:48:21 pm
Daaaaang I'm out of plump helmet spawnHunting (enable in the labor menu, make sure you have edible animals and that the hunter is either bad-ass, well-equiped, or a marksdwarf, perferably all three) or herbalism (enable in the labor menu and designate shrubs; unskilled herbalists will produce very little food).
What do I do
Post by: Cheddarius on January 10, 2010, 05:02:13 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 10, 2010, 05:05:54 pm
Also, check if you've got plump helmets proper (as in, not spawn, but the crops). You did know that you get seeds eating or brewing crops (but not from cooking; this is important, so I'll say it again: cooking is liable to use up both your seeds and crops if you're not careful)?
Post by: nil on January 10, 2010, 05:06:43 pm
Also, herbalism will eventually give you seeds for above-ground crops.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 10, 2010, 05:09:21 pm
I tried an aboveground farm before, but it was sort of sucky.
Post by: assimilateur on January 10, 2010, 05:15:01 pm
* Which you probably don't, judging by your overall approach to agriculture, so I'd recommend taking one proficient grower with you next time you embark, and turning on "only farmers harvest" in standing orders. Your grower will be legendary in one to three years, depending on how much you farm anyway, and one legendary grower is as good as two dozen unskilled ones.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 10, 2010, 05:18:54 pm
My grower was maxed on farming at embark, but I think I didn't have only farmers harvest or something. Thanks again!
Post by: Skorpion on January 10, 2010, 05:32:06 pm
clear rocks into chasms and magma
Ah, I suppose that tile full of 500+ dumped rocks may have something to do with it then.
But I just don't want to throw away all that excess chalk.
I mean, how else will the children of my fortress know about hopscotch?
Mine some more, then.
With 500+ rocks, just drop magma on top. It'll be more Fun.
Post by: assimilateur on January 10, 2010, 05:36:53 pm
Oh, oops, I misread that. Thanks!
My grower was maxed on farming at embark, but I think I didn't have only farmers harvest or something. Thanks again!
Good idea with giving that guy proficient growing/planting. That's still 10 levels away from legendary, but with that standing order set as I recommended it, he should be legendary right soon (that's understandably because you get experience from harvesting as well as planting, so it's better to have just one getting it all).
Post by: nil on January 10, 2010, 06:00:29 pm
Good idea with giving that guy proficient growing/planting. That's still 10 levels away from legendary, but with that standing order set as I recommended it, he should be legendary right soon (that's understandably because you get experience from harvesting as well as planting, so it's better to have just one getting it all).Generally I don't agree with this. Having all dwarves harvest is the only way to get useful labor from children/nobles and greatly reduces the chances of crops withering in the field. If you don't cook seeds or raw plants and avoid the aforementioned withering you'll never run out of seeds no matter how skilled your farmers are. Most players seem to value high-skilled farmers more than I do, though, so YMMV.
Post by: Lumbajak on January 10, 2010, 06:03:12 pm
Mine some more, then.
With 500+ rocks, just drop magma on top. It'll be more Fun.
Well I've also got a very large amount of magnetite and other stuff that turns into Iron.
I'm hoping pumping out a lot of steel will clear up that problem.
On an semi-related note, to anyone who uses the Dig Deeper mod, how do you create Deep Steel and Crucible Steel?
I haven't enough knowledge of the game to know what to look for in the files to find that out for myself.
Post by: darkflagrance on January 10, 2010, 06:58:36 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 10, 2010, 07:10:22 pm
EDIT: I just checked, and he has Farming(Fields) enabled too.
EDIT2: Er, I guess he was thinking of a job to do or something, because he started harvesting later. Disregard all this.
Post by: Lumbajak on January 10, 2010, 07:40:43 pm
You should check the reaction_XXX files in the raws folder and search for crucible and deep steel. The reactions to make them will list reagents.Ah, thanks.
Apparently I need mithril for deep steel and green glass for crucible steel.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 10, 2010, 10:48:25 pm
Post by: Asmodeous on January 10, 2010, 10:57:06 pm
I built a brudge and raised it, but it won't let me channel a moat under the bridge - why?
Ditto, it seems that once the bridge is supposed to be there it won't let you channel. Looks like you have to channel the moat FIRST, THEN build the bridge.
Which is irritating.
Post by: happydog23 on January 11, 2010, 01:54:34 pm
I've been waiting on this one to end for 2 years now...
Post by: assimilateur on January 11, 2010, 08:17:19 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 11, 2010, 08:41:11 pm
It's an area above my main fortress, so it's mostly in the open, but miasma still shows up. Also, I have a stockpile right next to it for animal remains and such, but nobody puts anything in it and the butchery is cluttered.
I saw a guy getting some meat back to the food stockpile once, but that's it.
Post by: Elvang on January 11, 2010, 08:45:17 pm
Post by: Corinthius on January 11, 2010, 10:14:46 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 11, 2010, 10:33:26 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 11, 2010, 10:43:19 pm
However, supposedly we are at peace, since there is a little 'P' by my dwarven civ when the goblins are selected, and a little 'P' by them when I select my civ. Is that why they haven't been attacking?
There's probably another reason, because now I've checked my neighboring civilizations and all of them got a P next to them as well. They are attacking me, though, all of them. Is your population and wealth pretty low, by any chance? Those sorts of things are supposed to delay sieges, at least they have been for me until I modded other civs to be more aggressive. Off the top of my head, this is what I've done: I've replaced their intelligent tag with can_civ and can_learn, lowered their progress triggers to 1 across the board, removed tags like ambusher, babysnatcher, item_thief (that's supposed to make them siege more or less right away, and it's working: I'm getting sieges since summer of my first year). I might have made other changes, if I remember any, I'll post them.
The above should make sure you'll be attacked, but I don't know how many of those changes will require a regen. It can't hurt to try if you're serious about it.
Post by: Corinthius on January 11, 2010, 11:31:44 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 12, 2010, 12:56:49 am
Looks like there is something wrong with your goblins after all.
Post by: Odd!x on January 12, 2010, 01:09:41 am
Post by: Asmodeous on January 12, 2010, 01:17:53 am
Post by: Cheddarius on January 12, 2010, 01:18:33 am
Post by: Odd!x on January 12, 2010, 01:48:03 am
will try the window method.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 12, 2010, 02:28:25 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 12, 2010, 02:32:19 am
Post by: Elvang on January 12, 2010, 03:22:30 am
Post by: Cheddarius on January 12, 2010, 03:27:13 am
Also, how can I train my marksdwarves faster so they don't get slaughtered by the ambushes?
Post by: Psilobe on January 12, 2010, 08:03:33 am
Preferbly in a cruel but simple way.
Post by: Asmodeous on January 12, 2010, 09:31:14 am
:)
Also shoving them into a large pit can be entertaining.
Post by: Corinthius on January 12, 2010, 10:21:16 am
@Cheddarius A tower with fortifications at the top level will certainly protect your archers from everything but other archers. To train your marksdwarves faster, try capturing goblins in cages, and then releasing them into a sealed room with fortifications carved, and letting your archers practice in safety. They gain XP faster when using live targets.
@Psilobe This might not be cruel enough, but it is certainly simple enough. Channel out a single space in your fortress somewhere. On the next z-level down, right where you channelled, make a menacing spike trap. Connect it to a lever, throw all the pets into the pit, then set the lever on repeat.
Post by: happydog23 on January 12, 2010, 11:20:51 am
I like to clean up my obsidian farms by melting all the extra rock that has been mined out (that that isn't magma safe). I don't normally wait very long to mine out the obsidian after dumping the water on it, and Since I dump the water once any stone in the mold goes molten I normally get one obsidian and molten versions of whatever was there when i dumped the water which ends up cooling and leaving me with all the rocks that used to be molten...
Also, molten rocks don't seem to hurt my dwarves while mining (and yes temp is on).
Post by: happydog23 on January 12, 2010, 11:24:22 am
Not sure if this is as bug or what..
I like to clean up my obsidian farms by melting all the extra rock that has been mined out (that that isn't magma safe). I don't normally wait very long to mine out the obsidian after dumping the water on it, and Since I dump the water once any stone in the mold goes molten I normally get one obsidian and molten versions of whatever was there when i dumped the water which ends up cooling and leaving me with all the rocks that used to be molten...
Also, molten rocks don't seem to hurt my dwarves while mining (and yes temp is on).
ACtually it looks like the rocks vanash after a bit because my dwarves come with a "cleaning" job and then they go away..
Post by: monk12 on January 12, 2010, 01:43:08 pm
I've spent a long time working on a nice death trap... but... it is 3rd autumn and I've not seen hide nor grimy claw of a goblin... If I check the civilization screen, there is indeed a goblin civ. However, supposedly we are at peace, since there is a little 'P' by my dwarven civ when the goblins are selected, and a little 'P' by them when I select my civ. Is that why they haven't been attacking? Will they ever?
What does that 'P' mean? I've got it by all my civs, and the goblins still siege.
Post by: Corinthius on January 12, 2010, 01:48:44 pm
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Question:
How do you search for ores? I used to go dig criss-crossing mine tunnels on every level, 20 appart, the entire map.
Then I heard that isn't good for FPS. What is a FPS friendly way to search for ores?
Post by: moki on January 12, 2010, 05:02:08 pm
@Monk, I thought it meant 'Peace'
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Question:
How do you search for ores? I used to go dig criss-crossing mine tunnels on every level, 20 appart, the entire map.
Then I heard that isn't good for FPS. What is a FPS friendly way to search for ores?
I do think the "P" stands for peace as well. Goblins currently do have a special status, that makes them siege/ambush, no matter what the actual diplomatic status is. Until real wars with real reasons are properly implemented, that's a placeholder. Without this, the game would be boring, because there actually is peace most of the time. Having no enemies is great, but can make for a very boring game.
There is no way of exploratory mining, that won't drain some fps. That's because, dwarves try to path through all these tiny tunnels, even if they are just dead ends. Every accessible tile on the map, every expansion of your fort drains fps this way. So digging out more tunnels would be even worse and 20x20 is about as little as possible
Just wall off all the tunnels you don't need anymore when you're finished (those that found nothing interesting do dig out)to prevent unneccessary lag.
Post by: Skorpion on January 12, 2010, 06:27:48 pm
Especially when you operate a system like mine, where ores are hauled to stockpiles near the smeltery.
Post by: vhappylurker on January 12, 2010, 06:47:42 pm
Flashing "X" over animals (such as, oh, say a BATMAN...) means it's dying, right?
Bastard's spooking off my dwarves from building a wall.
Post by: Corinthius on January 12, 2010, 06:58:22 pm
@vhappylurker I think the color matters too. A white X means it is unconscious. I know at leas when it is unconscious, it has a white X.
Post by: Quantum Toast on January 12, 2010, 07:00:11 pm
This is probably one of the stupidest questions on the thread, but...Going by the wiki, that means it's stunned, nauseous, winded or unconscious, depending on the colour. (Or it means that it's a recent migrant, but that seems... unlikely.)
Flashing "X" over animals (such as, oh, say a BATMAN...) means it's dying, right?
Bastard's spooking off my dwarves from building a wall.
Post by: vhappylurker on January 12, 2010, 08:03:46 pm
@Skorpion moki Thanks, I will wall off what I don't need, and make what I do need 2 spaces wide.
@vhappylurker I think the color matters too. A white X means it is unconscious. I know at leas when it is unconscious, it has a white X.
Going by the wiki, that means it's stunned, nauseous, winded or unconscious, depending on the colour. (Or it means that it's a recent migrant, but that seems... unlikely.)
It was apparently winded... And vulnerable to my three-dwarf kill squad. ^__^
Post by: Poot on January 13, 2010, 02:39:52 am
Post by: smjjames on January 13, 2010, 02:43:50 am
Exploratory mining can be made more FPS-friendly by making the tunnels two tiles wide.
Especially when you operate a system like mine, where ores are hauled to stockpiles near the smeltery.
Using one tile wide tunnels works fine for the exploration part, but when you want to get at the ore or whatever, just widen the tunnels to your liking.
Post by: nil on January 13, 2010, 02:58:09 am
One quick easy thing that can help with reducing the FPS drain from unused tunnels is to apply restricted traffic designations. Also, if you have a lot of excess labor you can use fortifications carved into the wall to increase your line of sight without any new excavation.
Post by: ungulateman on January 13, 2010, 03:35:58 am
2. Which layers will I find fish-stone in?
3. Will I find carp in fish-stone?
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 13, 2010, 08:15:09 am
PS Do merchants set off pressure plates?
Post by: smjjames on January 13, 2010, 11:11:44 am
1. Which keys save my image?
2. Which layers will I find fish-stone in?
3. Will I find carp in fish-stone?
Fish stone? What are you talking about? There is nothing called fish stone that I know of, even in mods.
For question 1, just use the printscrn key, or use alt+print scrn. Then open up your image editing program of your choice and paste it in there.
I have a question of my own.
What does it mean when a megabeasts name is flashing, or do they always flash? The reason I ask is because the new fort that I'm about to found has a cave in the local area of the embark (not the embark area itself, just in the same region tile when viewed from embark screen) which has a titan as a current resident.
I made a look and check it out embark on the cave (and plopped right next to the titan, lol. I paused before it did anything) and found the titan with its name flashing like it was a legendary peasant. Its completely healthy and I expect some Fun later when it decides to visit my new fort a couple of miles (I think) away.
Post by: sproingie on January 13, 2010, 11:17:24 am
2. Which layers will I find fish-stone in?
HOW I MINE FOR FISH?
::)
Post by: Kav on January 13, 2010, 12:07:11 pm
I've been fooling around with making a drowning chamber, but I feel mine is needlessly complicated. What is one very simple method of making a drowning chamber?
Get the target into the kill box. Raise the drawbridge. Feed water in from above. Wait. Drain water out the bottom.
How does that compare to your method?
Post by: happydog23 on January 13, 2010, 12:53:17 pm
I do this now because I found that all of my exploring was extremely harsh on my FPS and on my fortress worth. I'm doing obsidian farming now to build a tower anyway and most of my iron i either found setting up the obsidian farm (my fortress is next to the magma pipe in a region border with limestone) or killing orcs...
Post by: Skorpion on January 13, 2010, 01:47:35 pm
I've been fooling around with making a drowning chamber, but I feel mine is needlessly complicated. What is one very simple method of making a drowning chamber?
Get the target into the kill box. Raise the drawbridge. Feed water in from above. Wait. Drain water out the bottom.
How does that compare to your method?
Site the impassable pump tiles as part of the wall. Seal the entrances with doors or bridges. Lever-operation prevents break-ins by thieves.
Drainage is a must. Either a bridge-sealed hole, or a grate into the brook's infinite drainage.
Post by: ed boy on January 13, 2010, 02:21:19 pm
Basicaly, a little to the north of my fort there is a channel filled with water. It is nine tiles wide and there is a one tile wide bridge spanning it. Recently a couple of kobold thieves were discovered and they ran away. One of them decided to run away to the north, over my bridge. As it so happened, my miner was on the north side and wanted to cross at the same time. I activated my miner, and he fought the kobold on the bridge, or at least tried to. The kobold dodgen his blows, straight into the channel.
This puts me in a pickle. The kobold is just sitting there. The water is changing from 4 deep to 5 deep, so the kobold is not drowning. I have no crossbows or bolts, so I cannot shot him. Getting military to stand on the bridge above him does nothing. My military will not enter the water to fight him. My dwarves cannot do anything outside, as they are too scared of the kobold to leave the fort. I cannot pump any water into/out of the channel, as the mechanic is too scared of the kobold. What can I do?
also, to repeat my question from earler - my fort has not gotten the dwarven caravan or any migrants (I have gotten an elf caravan, though). Is this normal?
Post by: happydog23 on January 13, 2010, 02:45:49 pm
I've run into a bit of a problem with my fort.
Basicaly, a little to the north of my fort there is a channel filled with water. It is nine tiles wide and there is a one tile wide bridge spanning it. Recently a couple of kobold thieves were discovered and they ran away. One of them decided to run away to the north, over my bridge. As it so happened, my miner was on the north side and wanted to cross at the same time. I activated my miner, and he fought the kobold on the bridge, or at least tried to. The kobold dodgen his blows, straight into the channel.
This puts me in a pickle. The kobold is just sitting there. The water is changing from 4 deep to 5 deep, so the kobold is not drowning. I have no crossbows or bolts, so I cannot shot him. Getting military to stand on the bridge above him does nothing. My military will not enter the water to fight him. My dwarves cannot do anything outside, as they are too scared of the kobold to leave the fort. I cannot pump any water into/out of the channel, as the mechanic is too scared of the kobold. What can I do?
also, to repeat my question from earler - my fort has not gotten the dwarven caravan or any migrants (I have gotten an elf caravan, though). Is this normal?
What I would do if you really can't get any bolts and xbows, is from the same level as water and kobold, have your miner dig out an area for the water to spread out on, and then breach the channel, activate your miner, and send him in to fight in the now thinning out water. Once hes dead, build a wall, and continue to fill
Post by: geoduck on January 13, 2010, 03:30:57 pm
What I would do if you really can't get any bolts and xbows, is from the same level as water and kobold, have your miner dig out an area for the water to spread out on, and then breach the channel, activate your miner, and send him in to fight in the now thinning out water. Once hes dead, build a wall, and continue to fill
Maybe built a section of floor above the Kobold attached to a support, remove the support and drop the rocks on his head?
Post by: Skorpion on January 13, 2010, 05:25:03 pm
Post by: smjjames on January 13, 2010, 05:34:43 pm
I have a question of my own.
What does it mean when a megabeasts name is flashing, or do they always flash? The reason I ask is because the new fort that I'm about to found has a cave in the local area of the embark (not the embark area itself, just in the same region tile when viewed from embark screen) which has a titan as a current resident.
I made a look and check it out embark on the cave (and plopped right next to the titan, lol. I paused before it did anything) and found the titan with its name flashing like it was a legendary peasant. Its completely healthy and I expect some Fun later when it decides to visit my new fort a couple of miles (I think) away.
Anybody know the answer to this one? I've never encountered a megabeast myself, so I have no idea if the name is suppoused to flash or not.
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 13, 2010, 05:37:41 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 13, 2010, 07:55:45 pm
Post by: smjjames on January 13, 2010, 07:57:25 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 13, 2010, 07:57:58 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 13, 2010, 08:20:16 pm
How can I get more animals for bone bolts?
The tower cap thing sounds good. I have an "underground" pool, but it extends from ground level up, not down (it's in the mountain). How can I build a TC farm/well with this? (the well's really the problem here - I need to get the water down somewhere where I can pull it up, but not let the pressure kill off my fortress)
Post by: Retro on January 13, 2010, 08:24:28 pm
If you're dealing with ambushes, you might very well trap one inside your fort. In which case... fun is imminent!
As for tower-cap farms: Once you've uncovered the pool (or, incidentally, an underground river), ALL water that's subterrenean can generate tower-cap saplings on a tile. If you have another water source, it's best to dig out a large area near it, flood it (even 1/7 is enough), and drain it out. The muddied tiles will soon produce tower-cap saplings. Keep in mind it'll take a few years for the tower-caps to grow.
And animals: Just take like a male or female
Post by: gtmattz on January 13, 2010, 08:32:21 pm
And animals: Just take like a male a female mule or something ...
I know that your choice of animal here was probably completely random, but you just happened to choose a sterile animal that cannot breed as your example for breeding 8)
Post by: Retro on January 13, 2010, 08:36:13 pm
And animals: Just take like a male a female mule or something ...
I know that your choice of animal here was probably completely random, but you just happened to choose a sterile animal that cannot breed as your example for breeding 8)
...Sigh. Fixed :(
Post by: Cheddarius on January 13, 2010, 09:28:39 pm
So if I understand you correctly, I designate (but do not actually carve out) a mass of upstairs on sublevel 1 (the first underground level). Subsequently, I designate level 0 (ground level) to be channeled, making a moat. I surround a patch of forest with the moat, and I can chop there without getting ambushed. Is this right?
The pool seems to be my only big water source, unfortunately. I do have a few murky pools, but those are very limited.
For the animals: Do you mean put them in the pit? I don't understand, how would retracting a bridge at the top of a pit kill everything in the bottom of the pit?
Thanks for all the help!
Post by: Retro on January 13, 2010, 09:35:35 pm
Genius! On the channeling-up thing, I mean.
So if I understand you correctly, I designate (but do not actually carve out) a mass of upstairs on sublevel 1 (the first underground level). Subsequently, I designate level 0 (ground level) to be channeled, making a moat. I surround a patch of forest with the moat, and I can chop there without getting ambushed. Is this right?
The pool seems to be my only big water source, unfortunately. I do have a few murky pools, but those are very limited.
For the animals: Do you mean put them in the pit? I don't understand, how would retracting a bridge at the top of a pit kill everything in the bottom of the pit?
Thanks for all the help!
You want to channel and dig out the up-stairs; then designate the channels - if there isn't an up-stair or up/down-stair under a channel-designated tile, the miners will try and channel it from above, which could lead to all kinds of crazy fun.
For moving water around, you'll need a pump-stack most likely. Check here (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Screw_pump#Pumping_up_multiple_levels) for info on that - but if you don't get it (it's hard to get at first), just ask here.
The animals: Build a very deep pit, then put a bridge 1z below the top of the pit. Connect this bridge to a lever, then seal it off. Once you put animals on the bridge on the top of the pit, they'll be locked in and will do nothing but stand around and breed. Then, once you've got lots of them, you can pull the level and they'll all drop and explode gore-riffically into awesome chunks and limbs and stuff that will turn into bones if placed in an outdoor refuse pile.
Post by: NecroRebel on January 13, 2010, 10:16:26 pm
Also, you might find it beneficial to make 2 or more bridges in your animal-pen-pit things, so you can drop and kill only part of your herd rather than the whole thing. Finally, while a long drop is the most efficient means of killing the animals, I believe that if you want meat and fat from them you have to actually butcher them, so dropping them only 1 level and then having your butcher go to town might be more desirable.
For the secure woodcutting area, I would suggest digging the drymoat first, but then building a wall around the area as well as soon as practical. Bowgoblins will still shoot over the moat, so while the drymoat reduces ambush risk by about 90% it doesn't totally remove it. Also, crossbows are about the most dangerous things goblins can wield anyway, so protecting against them with a wall is very helpful.
Finally, you might want to develop a path, carefully controlled with doors, hatches, and/or screw pumps, to collect rainwater as it falls into your murky pools and direct it into a subterranean cistern. Underground pools have a lot of water in them, true, but if your fort runs long enough you can still run it dry.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 13, 2010, 11:34:59 pm
Also, what's damblock?
Post by: Heliman on January 14, 2010, 12:18:12 am
Edit: What is the death message given for a dwarf who falls into HFS pit?
Post by: Skorpion on January 14, 2010, 12:27:25 am
Damblock= Damage block: roughly, it's the chance to block damage, the higher it is, the easier it is for the creature to block damage.
Edit: What is the death message given for a dwarf who falls into HFS pit?
'Has fallen into a deep chasm'.
I threw a hoary marmot into it the instant I had it safe for use, to see what came up.
'Safe for use' meaning the clowns removed, and all the flaming charcoal extinguished via pond designation from above.
Post by: 3 on January 14, 2010, 01:16:46 am
Damblock= Damage block: roughly, it's the chance to block damage
A technical point, but not quite: what you're thinking of is closer to the BLOCKCHANCE value seen on shields. DAMBLOCK basically just reduces the damage taken (it actually reduces the damage the attacker deals, it's all handled at once) by the number of points it's set to.
Post by: sproingie on January 14, 2010, 01:57:09 am
Post by: Skorpion on January 14, 2010, 01:09:49 pm
You're going to be sorry when a Hoary Marmot Demon comes back up annihilates your fort. ;D
No worries, I emptied the magma down the hole as well, and routed the nearby underground river into it.
I'm honestly irritated I discovered the clown car first. I should've emptied the river in there.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 14, 2010, 01:34:13 pm
Finally, while a long drop is the most efficient means of killing the animals, I believe that if you want meat and fat from them you have to actually butcher them, so dropping them only 1 level and then having your butcher go to town might be more desirable.Thus is true for tame animals. Tame animals can only be made into meat, fat, and skin if slaughtered at a butcher's shop by a dwarf. Tame animals which die from any other cause, such as being dropped from a bridge down a ten level shaft, cannot be butchered for meat and are only good for bones after their corpses rot away. Wild animals, on the other hand, can be butchered after being killed by falling, so it is possible to make a meat production system using a bunch of wild animals in a pit and some cleverly designed retracting bridges.
Post by: Zsword on January 15, 2010, 12:35:46 am
Post by: Grek on January 15, 2010, 12:52:41 am
1 charcoal + 1 bituminous coal = 3 coke
Coke can be used for everything charcoal can be used for, including making raw coal into more coke.
Post by: NecroRebel on January 15, 2010, 12:55:31 am
Post by: Zsword on January 15, 2010, 12:58:31 am
And also, what is the process of making steel? (ya, total noob much, understand the basics, gotten to sheriff before... something happenned.)
Post by: Skorpion on January 15, 2010, 01:12:45 am
If you're starting steel production, it's best to have two or three of these kicking around spare to stop hauling interfering with steel production.
Then, you can make steel bars. This takes a bar of pig iron, another bar of iron, another flux stone, and more refined coal in addition to any fuel. This nets you TWO bars of steel per job!
Why bother? Steel is 33% stronger than iron! 33% higher protection and damage!
And it's worth as much as aluminium and platinum.
(Of course, the wiki is much quicker to check for simple answers like this.)
Post by: Hortun on January 15, 2010, 01:13:59 am
I'm wondering, is it possible to mod animals so that they can still be purchased on the embark screen and possibly on caravans, but so that immigrants won't arrive with them as pets? While I could just remove the [PET] tag from most animals, that'd stop me from being able to tame any of them for a meat industry.
Post by: Skorpion on January 15, 2010, 01:33:11 am
Of course, you'd have to find a way of sparing some.
Post by: Odd!x on January 15, 2010, 02:01:07 am
the game endlessly rejected worlds when I tweaked volcanoes slightly
the wiki was VERY confusing (I may be dumb)
thanks for this thread people! very good stuff here.
Post by: assimilateur on January 15, 2010, 03:21:07 am
I'm wondering, is it possible to mod animals so that they can still be purchased on the embark screen and possibly on caravans, but so that immigrants won't arrive with them as pets?
I can't answer the first part of your question, and I'm greatly interested as well, but pets should really not be much of a problem if you're willing to be brutal. You ever heard of a pet killing device? Build a narrow corridor with a lever, spike trap and two doors, more or less like this: 1___DSD, where 1 stands for the lever, _ for floors, D are doors and S is the spike trap, obviously. You draft your pet owner, station him near the lever, make the left door pet-impassable (but not forbidden, that would keep animals from trying to go through it) and wait for the pet to follow its owner. The rest is pretty much self-explanatory. The loss of a pet might make your guy unhappy, but that's nothing a good drink or fantastic, not to mention legendary, dining room won't cure.
Who needs to tame them? Just set up a breeding operation in a pit and send in the military when necesarry.
Of course, you'd have to find a way of sparing some.
Disregarding even the inferior ergonomics of such a solution, as compared to using tame pets, that's beside the point anyway. Unless the mods needed for making pets purchasable on embark and via caravan are so obvious to you that you didn't even mention how to do it.
Post by: Hortun on January 15, 2010, 01:01:39 pm
I'm wondering, is it possible to mod animals so that they can still be purchased on the embark screen and possibly on caravans, but so that immigrants won't arrive with them as pets?
I can't answer the first part of your question, and I'm greatly interested as well, but pets should really not be much of a problem if you're willing to be brutal. You ever heard of a pet killing device? Build a narrow corridor with a lever, spike trap and two doors, more or less like this: 1___DSD, where 1 stands for the lever, _ for floors, D are doors and S is the spike trap, obviously. You draft your pet owner, station him near the lever, make the left door pet-impassable (but not forbidden, that would keep animals from trying to go through it) and wait for the pet to follow its owner. The rest is pretty much self-explanatory. The loss of a pet might make your guy unhappy, but that's nothing a good drink or fantastic, not to mention legendary, dining room won't cure.
The deathtrap sounds like a good idea, thanks! I'll use that to tithe me over on my current fort. :)
After a little looking, the wiki lists next to the PETVALUE token that the only creatures available on embark are those with the COMMON_DOMESTIC tag, although there may possibly be some other stipulations to this. Then under the CD tag description it lists that immigrants will bring animals with the CD tag as long as they also have one of the following: PET, PACK_ANIMAL, WAGON_PULLER, MOUNT.
This means that by removing all of the tags from that list from animals who have CD tags would *in theory* make them available on the embark screen, but not available as immigrant pets. It would also make them untameable wild animals which would raise more questions as to how the game would handle them and then how a player should handle them.
I'm definitely going to test this out today.
Post by: assimilateur on January 15, 2010, 01:15:31 pm
It would also make them untameable wild animals which would raise more questions as to how the game would handle them and then how a player should handle them.
I don't know about the other tags you've mentioned, but the mere removal of the pet tag is reversible when it comes to taming. I've added that tag to unicorns post-embark, and was able to tame them. Whether or not that will make them available for trade I do not know.
Post by: Heliman on January 15, 2010, 01:45:26 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 15, 2010, 09:28:52 pm
I'm wondering, is it possible to mod animals so that they can still be purchased on the embark screen and possibly on caravans, but so that immigrants won't arrive with them as pets?
I can't answer the first part of your question, and I'm greatly interested as well, but pets should really not be much of a problem if you're willing to be brutal. You ever heard of a pet killing device? Build a narrow corridor with a lever, spike trap and two doors, more or less like this: 1___DSD, where 1 stands for the lever, _ for floors, D are doors and S is the spike trap, obviously. You draft your pet owner, station him near the lever, make the left door pet-impassable (but not forbidden, that would keep animals from trying to go through it) and wait for the pet to follow its owner. The rest is pretty much self-explanatory. The loss of a pet might make your guy unhappy, but that's nothing a good drink or fantastic, not to mention legendary, dining room won't cure.Who needs to tame them? Just set up a breeding operation in a pit and send in the military when necesarry.
Of course, you'd have to find a way of sparing some.
Disregarding even the inferior ergonomics of such a solution, as compared to using tame pets, that's beside the point anyway. Unless the mods needed for making pets purchasable on embark and via caravan are so obvious to you that you didn't even mention how to do it.
Screw ergonomics and practicality. It's NIFTY.
Do your exported items turn up in adventure mode if you abandon the fort?
Yes.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 15, 2010, 09:58:08 pm
How do I get my goods out of the trade depot once I've purchased them?
Designate the appropriate stockpiles or a garbage dump zone and dump the items.This didn't work - I dbd-ed the whole depot but my stuff is still just sitting there. And I got such great stuff, too! :(
Also, how do I open my gates to trade without letting in gobbos? If I pause when the season changes and get a lever pulled, can I open the path quick enough to let the caravan in?
Post by: happydog23 on January 15, 2010, 11:23:47 pm
Also, how do I open my gates to trade without letting in gobbos? If I pause when the season changes and get a lever pulled, can I open the path quick enough to let the caravan in?
I normally have my depot in an "airlock" and I leave my depot accessible all the time and when traders show up, once they are unloading goods, I lock them in and open my fort to have access to the depot.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 16, 2010, 01:02:46 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on January 16, 2010, 01:50:53 am
Post by: silhouette on January 16, 2010, 01:53:33 am
So i genned a world with this one PERFECT embark site, serriously great... unbelievably great...
Had a chasm that was also a river ( basically the river in the chasm shape)
Which then flowed down into a underground river.
just south of the chasm there was an exposed bottmless pit.
North west of the bottomless pit and west of the middle of the river-chasm was an exposed magma pipe.
Bottom right was the hfs, wasnt exposed though...
Really awsome mapp..
Ok so here the question comes in...
When i was saving this map, a powercut occured and the saving didnt complete.
Making teh save file corrupt. (meaning i cant load the save anymore...)
Is there ANY WAY i can get the seed out of this or somehow manage to delete the fort and make the region useable again..
Best world ive genned so far...
Post by: assimilateur on January 16, 2010, 04:22:58 am
You can also go to your init\world_gen file and make a backup of the parameter set you're so fond of, or better yet, copy the whole world_gen file, just to make sure.
Post by: Herzele on January 16, 2010, 08:41:50 am
I have a small problem... i built a upstair with b \ C \ u (the screen where you can build walls) instead of wall...
How do i destroy the stairs ?
Post by: assimilateur on January 16, 2010, 08:43:05 am
Post by: Herzele on January 16, 2010, 08:45:50 am
Post by: sproingie on January 16, 2010, 03:42:49 pm
A nice little question, how do I make custom tilesets?
Start here: http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Tileset
Multicolor graphics sets like Mike Mayday's tiles are slightly trickier, but there's some info on the wiki for those too.
Post by: silhouette on January 16, 2010, 08:43:30 pm
If it's the last world you generated, then start the game and go to designate new world with parameters. Look at the set of parameters you've used for your last world, and you will see that the seed had been saved, but that the game is supposed to use a random seed next time. Now, you just tell the game to use the world seed as entered in the relevant field, and it should generate the same world you've had before the power failure.
You can also go to your init\world_gen file and make a backup of the parameter set you're so fond of, or better yet, copy the whole world_gen file, just to make sure.
Gaaaa....
accidently created a new medium map while trying to go into make a custom one, so thats a no go.
Now something good is that ive enabled it or i have it so that theres a game_log.txt so it displays basically everything...
unfortunitly its in a weird order...
Im assuming ill have to go through all the seeds to try to find the one my perfect world is in?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 16, 2010, 08:51:48 pm
EDIT: Also, how can I make a simple cistern off of a murky pond? I don't want these complicated systems and such, just something to store water.
What I'm planning right now is a bunch of chambers with doors, one underneath the pond. When it rains it'll fill up the first chamber, and when it's full and raining I can open some doors to let the water into new chambers, expanding the capacity. Will this work?
Post by: silhouette on January 16, 2010, 09:16:29 pm
And do this...
Side on view.
Code: [Select]
___...___
###MHM###
FFFF,####_ is above ground
. is empty space
, is tile
# is wall
M is murky pool
H is channeled area (do this from below or something.
f is floodgate
Attach the floodgates to levers
Open the next floodgate in line when 7/7 is in the comma.
Keep doing this till you have your required water to fill other things.
Post by: NecroRebel on January 16, 2010, 09:17:06 pm
The humans are sieging me. I think a goblin ambush killed their liaison or something. Can I modify the raws so that they'll send traders and be peaceful again? (Note: Dwarf Companion doesn't seem to work on my computer)Kill them, hard. If you wreck their armies badly enough, the humans' government will basically say "screw that!" and send a diplomat to ask you for a peace treaty.
Of course, you only get one diplomat (who is a seperate person from the liaison), so if you accidentally let it die, too, the humans will continue sieging you.
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EDIT: Also, how can I make a simple cistern off of a murky pond? I don't want these complicated systems and such, just something to store water.That plan should work, but I would suggest that you have a lever-linked hatch over the first chamber so you can seal it from the outside. Indoor water evaporates only if it is at 1/7 depth, whereas outdoor water evaporates dependent on temperature.
What I'm planning right now is a bunch of chambers with doors, one underneath the pond. When it rains it'll fill up the first chamber, and when it's full and raining I can open some doors to let the water into new chambers, expanding the capacity. Will this work?
But yeah, basically you just have a small chamber with a door leading into a tunnel with many other doors in it. Let the first chamber fill to 7/7, then open the first door so that you have 3 spaces to fill. Water from the first chamber fills them all to 2 or 3/7, then collected rainwater fills all 3 to 7/7, then you open the next door, expanding your capacity to 9 total at 2/7 or higher, then repeat until you have gotten to your main cistern and have enough water to fill it and the rain-collection tunnel to 2/7, and then just leave it to collect more rainwater as you can. It's an involved process, but not complicated.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 16, 2010, 09:30:01 pm
The accursed humies have 7 swordsmen and 8 wrestlers. Can my 5 archers (levels 6,8,8,9,10, minimal/no armor/shield skill, no armor/shield) and High Master Axeman (no armor/shield or skill) take them out? Should I have some expendable wrestlers trained? I have a 3-wide path with a floor on top where I can send archers to pick them off, and a bridge that blocks off the end... but it's not very long.
EDIT: I'm exploratory-mining the bottom level with a grid of digs. This somehow makes my miners act like Neanderthal idiots barely able to walk without straining their minds. What they do is they complete one piece of the grid except one tile, move to the entire opposite end, and mine the last tile when they could have just mined it without moving. Being legendary, this slows them down a massive amount relative to the time it takes to actually mine. Is there some way to fix this without labor-intensive designation?
EDIT2: I have some stone marked for dumping and a garbage zone nearby, but my haulers just sit around doing nothing. This always worked before, so why not now?
Post by: Skorpion on January 16, 2010, 10:47:07 pm
Sorted their caravans out good and proper, though. Beasties, berries, booze, and trinkets again, with less cloth.
Post by: Lumbajak on January 17, 2010, 02:13:48 am
Assuming I'm lucky enough that he doesn't actually charge into my fortress or kill all my currently essential dwarves, how do I deal with him?
Also, on my earlier framerate conundrum...
At an earlier point in time, I had a fortress with about 110 dwarves and a good thousand items at least, on a... 9×6 embark zone if I recall.
So why are 500 items, 34 dwarves and about the same amount of wildlife making my fps confused about whether it wants to stay between 20 and 100?
The only thing I can think of is the fact that I am now using the mayday tileset whereas before I was using this. (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=832)
And on yet another note, how come using any tileset at all seems to completely disable the sound/music? Even if I enable it in the init, I only hear anything if I use the unmodified game straight from this site.
Post by: assimilateur on January 17, 2010, 02:42:44 am
And on yet another note, how come using any tileset at all seems to completely disable the sound/music? Even if I enable it in the init, I only hear anything if I use the unmodified game straight from this site.
If you go to your data\sound folder, you will most likely notice that files song_game.ogg or song_title.ogg are missing if you're using Mayday's distribution (and perhaps others as well). If you want music, then you're going to have download the original and copy the music files into your current DF folder.
Also, there is no sound other than music in this game.
Post by: silhouette on January 17, 2010, 03:23:35 am
There is a very nasty cave spider guarding the magma pipe, bottomless pit and chasm very near my fortress. (Dwarf Heaven site)
Assuming I'm lucky enough that he doesn't actually charge into my fortress or kill all my currently essential dwarves, how do I deal with him?
Also, on my earlier framerate conundrum...
At an earlier point in time, I had a fortress with about 110 dwarves and a good thousand items at least, on a... 9×6 embark zone if I recall.
So why are 500 items, 34 dwarves and about the same amount of wildlife making my fps confused about whether it wants to stay between 20 and 100?
The only thing I can think of is the fact that I am now using the mayday tileset whereas before I was using this. (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=832)
And on yet another note, how come using any tileset at all seems to completely disable the sound/music? Even if I enable it in the init, I only hear anything if I use the unmodified game straight from this site.
make something like this.
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CCCCC
CCPCC
CCSCC
CCCCC
CCCCCC= CAGE TRAP
p = puppy
s = restraint.
and try to lure the gcs to the puppy... somehow... i suggest cats and dropping them or something...
Post by: Cheddarius on January 17, 2010, 12:09:08 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 17, 2010, 12:26:29 pm
Remember to build some fortifications and station some archers there. Maybe even put the tar baby behind the fortifications, so that the cave spider will wander about uselessly while your archers/ballistas gun it down.
I'm pretty sure that the point of using cage traps, as described above, is to capture something alive. Especially if it's as valuable as a GCS.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 17, 2010, 12:42:36 pm
EDIT: Also, apparently my computer is old and my graphical processing unit can't use Maygreen tilesets; is there some intermediate tileset I could use or something like that?
Post by: Lumbajak on January 17, 2010, 02:19:18 pm
I'll see if I can't lay down some cage traps before it or some other hideous monster decides it wants to have my entire population as a light dinner.
If I capture it, is it possible to use it as a neverending supply of silk? Or should I just sell it to the mountainhomes for that anvil I'm still lacking. And on the subject of selling, I hear of some occassions where bringing the cage the creature is in will remove the creature. Is there some complex way of delivering a captured monster to the trade depot involving perpetual motion devices and conveyor belts sorted to appease the golden ratio, or was that just a bug from older versions?
Post by: SquirrelWizard on January 17, 2010, 02:28:35 pm
Okay, lets say I build a water wheel over a brook and anchor it to a solid construction. This brook is in a temperate zone (it freezes during winter) so will the brook freezing over cause the water wheel to deconstruct, or will it just cause the wheel to stop?
Post by: Skorpion on January 17, 2010, 02:34:06 pm
Post by: SquirrelWizard on January 17, 2010, 03:12:14 pm
It has been a while since i've toyed around with dwarf fortress. I remember that you needed a water level of at least 4/7 with flow to power water wheels, and that my power plant ran off of a resevoir wasn't 100% efficent. Assuming that the water is coming from a resevoir, and not an infinate water source, will the water wheels generate more power as the water level nears 7/7? (I understand that at 7/7 the water wheels stop because there isn't any flow)
Post by: moki on January 17, 2010, 03:32:25 pm
The former only works with less than 7/7 water as it has something to do with the fluctuation of depth while the latter is just a flag for specific water tiles and has nothing to do with depth at all. A River (or channeled out brook) can power as many waterwheels as you need, though the level is 7/7 except for a few tiles where it exits the map. Also, water wheels produce 90 power (actually produce 100 and consume 10 at the same time), no matter if the water is 4/7 or 7/7 deep.
If you're not against using some game exploits, have a look at perpetual motion machines (on the water wheel page on the wiki). They're extremely useful when you need lots of power.
Post by: Skorpion on January 17, 2010, 04:05:01 pm
Post by: Corinthius on January 17, 2010, 06:59:17 pm
I dug a aqueduct from brook to chasm. Didn't even make a dent in the brook. Any ideas why?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 17, 2010, 08:03:39 pm
Post by: Corinthius on January 17, 2010, 09:06:09 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 17, 2010, 09:19:54 pm
Post by: happydog23 on January 17, 2010, 09:51:52 pm
Yes, but the wiki implies over here http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Dam#Draining_Method that you can still drain it.
In order to "drain" it, you must open a hole underneath it so that when the water paths over that spot, it will go down before going forward. That way it will go down in to your aqueduct before going over it along it's normal path.
Post by: Neyvn on January 17, 2010, 10:30:16 pm
1. Can you extract from Tame Moghoppers.
2. Do they live after the extraction?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 17, 2010, 11:36:31 pm
Post by: Retro on January 17, 2010, 11:43:02 pm
Bah! I have this totes excellent labyrinth set up with cage traps in it. I saw my dwarves load them with my own eyes - only one was unloaded, and all the others were light green. But now I see a kobold ambush walking over the traps with impunity! What's going on?
Kobolds have this naaasty little creature token named [trAPAVOID]. Your traps are useless, sadly. Getcher military on!
Incidentally, kobolds don't ambush in squads until they've stolen enough of your valuables, so your traps-only entrance is the cause of the kobolds being able to steal your goods in the first place. You can fix this by using b-v to build ropes or chains and assign animals (preferably war dogs) to them. Animals will always spot things that come within a tile of them, so a few of them in a line will stop those kobold sneakers.
Post by: smjjames on January 17, 2010, 11:44:16 pm
They are incredibly easy to secure against honestly.
Edit: ninja'd
Post by: Lumbajak on January 17, 2010, 11:45:08 pm
You's lousy blokes.
Post by: smjjames on January 17, 2010, 11:47:53 pm
Just got three Moghoppers from the elves just now, never seen them before but I hear you can extract things from them...
1. Can you extract from Tame Moghoppers.
2. Do they live after the extraction?
Yea, you can get 'Mog Juice' from them. Its useless other than a trade good, not sure if it can be used in cooking though.
I'm pretty sure they get killed in the proccess.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 17, 2010, 11:50:03 pm
Oh well, I better train up some wrestlers or something to defend the entrances.
Post by: smjjames on January 17, 2010, 11:54:15 pm
Dang, I thought only thieves had trapavoid, not military.
Oh well, I better train up some wrestlers or something to defend the entrances.
Traps don't affect friendlies (your dwarves, tamed animals, and traders) unless they fall unconscious on the trap for whatever reason.
Trust me, a 100% effective way to stop the kobolds is to have a three tile wide corridor (or at least put a three tile wide chokepoint somewhere) along your entrance, install some chains and put some animals on them.
Post by: Lumbajak on January 18, 2010, 02:00:38 am
Say the top of a pipe is several z-levels up. if I dig a channel from the highest point the magma is on to the edge of the hill it's on, would that cause the magma to overflow and cover every z-level below it? Or does magma not flow that strongly?
And can magma overflow if I dig a tunnel for it but have one part of the tunnel exposed?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 18, 2010, 02:12:03 am
Unfortunately all my animals are dudes. I mean I have three groundhog dudes, two mule dudes, and two dog dudes. Probably a grizzly bear dude or something too. I've been trying to get a nice lust pit going on so I can get bones for bolts, but the elves never bring me any females...
Well, they might next year. I've just gotten my airlock and winding passageway of traps and marksdwarfs in order, so I've only had the one year of trading - I hope for some good stock the next.
Post by: gtmattz on January 18, 2010, 02:15:04 am
So having quite some difficulty finding a good site that has magma on it, I've yet to have any actual dealings with magma and I'd just like to clear this up before I bathe the world in it.
Say the top of a pipe is several z-levels up. if I dig a channel from the highest point the magma is on to the edge of the hill it's on, would that cause the magma to overflow and cover every z-level below it? Or does magma not flow that strongly?
And can magma overflow if I dig a tunnel for it but have one part of the tunnel exposed?
The wiki has your answers... (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Magma)
Post by: Lumbajak on January 18, 2010, 02:39:41 am
Ah, I forgot that was there.
The wiki has your answers... (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Magma)
That and if I'm really unsure of something I don't like to rely on the wiki because, as most people say, it's outdated and sketchy at best in many fields.
Post by: assimilateur on January 18, 2010, 07:10:59 am
If I capture it, is it possible to use it as a neverending supply of silk? Or should I just sell it to the mountainhomes for that anvil I'm still lacking.
Do not sell it. Unless for roleplaying reasons, that's ridiculously wasteful in the case of a creature as rare and useful as this. Even just shooting it for experience would make more sense, seeing how you can crank out trade goods in the form of prepared meals and even stone crafts (though I wouldn't recommend the latter for anything other than the aforementioned roleplaying reasons, since the former is obscenely valuable and available in potentially never ending amounts).
A caught GCS is useful all right. It shoots webs at anything that aggravates it, so if you put it behind two layers, one of fortifications, the other of floodgates or a raised bridge, you can move some of your guys near it (if you draft them, remember to make sure that they're not carrying crossbows). It will then proceed to shoot webs at them. After you've had enough for now, you raise the bridge, close the floodgates or otherwise block its line of sight, and tell your weaver to collect webs. The part about blocking its line of sight is obviously important, not just to stop it from webbing all over the place, but most importantly to make sure your civilians don't get scared by it.
You can later tame it, after you get the dungeon master noble. If you do that, it will stop webbing and scaring your guys, but you will be able to use caged goblins, or possibly wild animals, to aggravate it the same way you did with your dwarves earlier.
Post by: Retro on January 18, 2010, 08:32:41 am
You can later tame it, after you get the dungeon master noble. If you do that, it will stop webbing and scaring your guys, but you will be able to use caged goblins, or possibly wild animals, to aggravate it the same way you did with your dwarves earlier.
I've yet to mess around with a GCS farm yet, but from what I've heard, it's better overall to actually avoid taming a feral GCS. Admittedly, your dwarves will be terrified of it once it's released, but apparently it's kind of difficult to get it to web goblin invaders and the like. It seems that in the world, it's more or less Team Dwarf vs. the world, and the enemies of your enemies are friends with each other. Plus utilizing an untamed creature is all kinds o' Fun. Still, it'll work either way.
Post by: KingKaol on January 18, 2010, 09:55:06 am
And what is the consequence (if any) of a dwarf's bedroom being passed through or having the door open.
I'm trying to make a bedroom scheme where 2 rooms share a central door that is in a hallway so other dwarfs would pass through.
Post by: assimilateur on January 18, 2010, 09:57:15 am
Still, it'll work either way.
Now that I think about it, won't a tame GCS be scared of invaders? Most other animals seem to avoid monsters, and only fight when cornered, so a tame GCS might end up in the corner instead of webbing goblins. Accordingly, I second your recommendation of leaving it feral*.
* If one did tame it after all, and it ended up being scared of invaders, this would most likely easily be fixed by modding the GCS to be trainable (this can be done without generating a new world, believe it or not). A war GCS should, by any stretch of the imagination, attack goblins just fine.
Do doors slow dwarfs movement?
And what is the consequence (if any) of a dwarf's bedroom being passed through or having the door open.
I'm trying to make a bedroom scheme where 2 rooms share a central door that is in a hallway so other dwarfs would pass through.
Don't know about that slowing down thing, but there is one downside to having your dwarves' bedrooms passed through: noise. Hauling furniture is supposed to be noisy, so your dwarves will get thoughts like "slept uneasily due to noise lately". This isn't a serious problem, because things like good food and drink, and a legendary dining room should compensate for this.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 18, 2010, 11:52:03 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 18, 2010, 11:59:38 am
Regardless, packing your dining room (as well as bedrooms, and the like) with fancy furniture is far from useless, mood-wise, as they will get good thoughts from admiring something, especially if it's something they like.
On the topic of liking things: a preference for something makes a dwarf appreciate it more. This may sound obvious, but I'm pointing it out because one might be tempted to think that their likes and dislikes were just meaningless fluff. For example, my temporary dining room is just 5x5, carved in rough obsidian, with five tables and chairs made out of obsidian by a dabbling mason. Something as spartan as what I've just described is already legendary to one of my founders who likes obsidian.
Post by: rufio on January 18, 2010, 12:13:39 pm
Dumb question #2: Is selling stuff made of (or decorated with) bones to elves verboten, or do they only care about trees?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 18, 2010, 12:19:58 pm
My legendary +5 mason died a while ago, he was much loved. Lokum, his name was. I think I'll construct a large tomb (the first I've ever made) in his honor... he was truly great.
But that's beside the point. What can I spam to make more legendary masons, and what can I do with them? (I already have hundreds of statues filling every bedroom, and a lot of legendary bedrooms with 30 or so statues besides)
Post by: assimilateur on January 18, 2010, 12:32:23 pm
Speaking of room values - how does the type of stone/gems in the walls of the room affect this, exactly? I know it must, because the dwarven economy just arrived, and the rooms I built in the malachite vein are more expensive than the limestone ones. There are a few that are 3 or 4 times more expensive than all the rest, too, but I can't find anything that would explain why.
As far as I know, wall or floor materials of a room count the same way furniture would. This makes walls made out of soap or expensive materials potentially very valuable.
Malachite itself should be the same value as limestone, but if some of the walls or floors in the rooms in question are chrysocolla, that should make them more valuable.
What can I spam to make more legendary masons, and what can I do with them? (I already have hundreds of statues filling every bedroom, and a lot of legendary bedrooms with 30 or so statues besides)
You should make blocks. Those have the advantages of being more compact (one piece of furniture needs one tile in a stockpile, whereas 10 [I think] blocks fit in a bin) and having no quality levels. The latter factor is advantageous in that it lets you dump useless blocks without having to micromanage and save potential masterwork* (but otherwise useless) items.
* Destroying a masterpiece has the potential of causing a very bad though, especially if it's a dwarf's only masterpiece.
Post by: Elvang on January 18, 2010, 12:36:22 pm
EDIT: ninja'd
Post by: Cheddarius on January 18, 2010, 12:42:42 pm
Post by: rufio on January 18, 2010, 12:52:13 pm
Malachite itself should be the same value as limestone, but if some of the walls or floors in the rooms in question are chrysocolla, that should make them more valuable.
Yeah, now that I think about it, I think it was the ones in the Magnetite vein, which the wiki says is worth four times as much. Could be that there was some platinum in there I forgot about, too. (Come to that, is there any way to make them cheaper, or should I just dig it all out and smelt it?)
Post by: Cheddarius on January 18, 2010, 12:59:59 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 18, 2010, 01:09:45 pm
Yeah, now that I think about it, I think it was the ones in the Magnetite vein, which the wiki says is worth four times as much. Could be that there was some platinum in there I forgot about, too. (Come to that, is there any way to make them cheaper, or should I just dig it all out and smelt it?)
The value of magnetite should be 10, which is actually 5 times as high as limestone and other flux, and 10 times as high as "generic" stone. What this means is that rooms dug out from magnetite, not to mention other, even more valuable ores (you mention platinum, which has a value of 40, if I'm not mistaken) will be pretty damn expensive.
Digging it all out will still leave you with floors of magnetite, and I think those are exactly as valuable as walls. Covering those magnetite floors with floors made out of less valuable stone is the only way I can think of that might possibly make those rooms less expensive, but I don't think it would work. It's more likely to just add the value of the newly-made floors to the magnetite floors beneath them.
I think you have only two realistic options:
1. Dig out rooms in limestone or whatever else you can find that's less expensive than magnetite, or
2. Disable rents. As someone who never plays with economy on, I don't know whether that will even work post-facto.
Where can I get me some ore? I mean, all I seem to have is gems, two pockets of platinum (on the bottom level at least, I'm strip-mining the whole level), and a decent bunch of tetrahedrite but no copper or iron ores... I think I marked flux on the finder, so that's probably there, but my stuff sucks.
Just to clarify, tetrahedrite is a copper ore. You should look on the wiki or in your raws for info on which stone layers contain which kind of ores. Or you could do it like me, if you're greedy, and mod your raws to contain more ores. PM me for details, if you're interested (I'm not gonna post my little "guide" here, as I've already posted it a couple of times on these forums, and I don't want to bore people).
Post by: rufio on January 18, 2010, 01:19:02 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 18, 2010, 01:24:07 pm
Post by: vturtle on January 18, 2010, 02:00:54 pm
Making some kind of trash/guest/noble incinerator might be nice as well. Will firebreath ignite lignite/coal/graphite, or will something else burning on the same tile (like a XXpig tail sockXX) light them?
In the unlikely event that noone has performed those experiments I'll be happy to perform them. I just thought I'd check first.
Post by: Heliman on January 18, 2010, 03:58:05 pm
EDIT: do megabeasts leave if they've been on the map too long?
Post by: vturtle on January 18, 2010, 05:53:56 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 18, 2010, 06:32:47 pm
Post by: nil on January 18, 2010, 07:32:26 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 18, 2010, 07:38:36 pm
Post by: Retro on January 18, 2010, 07:59:58 pm
Sure it would plunge the world back into the age of myth, but it would be totally cool.
Hehehe.
Post by: Dendou on January 18, 2010, 08:59:49 pm
I've got an artifact star ruby encrusted with star ruby and an artifact raw adamantine mechanism decorated with raw adamantine. I've been training up a gem setter for a couple years to legenday and want to encrust the mechanism with the ruby. I lock my setter in an area with access only to the artifact room and a jewlers workshop. But, he cancels the job stating that there were no star rubies. Is there any way I can fix this.
Post by: geoduck on January 18, 2010, 09:13:08 pm
I'm gathering my legendary items so I can combine them to super awesome crazynes.
I've got an artifact star ruby encrusted with star ruby and an artifact raw adamantine mechanism decorated with raw adamantine. I've been training up a gem setter for a couple years to legenday and want to encrust the mechanism with the ruby. I lock my setter in an area with access only to the artifact room and a jewlers workshop. But, he cancels the job stating that there were no star rubies. Is there any way I can fix this.
I suspect you can't encrust artifacts onto anything.
Post by: Elvang on January 18, 2010, 09:14:27 pm
Anyone know the maxage for creatures that don't have the [MAXAGE:x:x] tag, like fire imps?
Post by: NecroRebel on January 18, 2010, 10:27:00 pm
Anyone know the maxage for creatures that don't have the [MAXAGE:x:x] tag, like fire imps?A hundred quadrillion years, minimum. If a creature has no MAXAGE tag, it doesn't die of old age.
And yeah, I'm pretty sure that once an artifact is made, it's utterly static. Also, you can only encrust things with small gems, while perfect (artifact) gems are a subset of large gems.
Post by: sproingie on January 18, 2010, 11:08:59 pm
A hundred quadrillion years, minimum. If a creature has no MAXAGE tag, it doesn't die of old age.
I suspect after two billion and some change years things get funny when the signed 32-bit value wraps around to negative age. Suffice to say "old enough" :)
Post by: Cheddarius on January 18, 2010, 11:28:45 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 19, 2010, 12:09:06 am
first type o>r>o (dwarves ignore refuse from outside)
then d>b>f and mass select all the things that's already outside that your dwarves would want to get.
Post by: nil on January 19, 2010, 12:26:25 am
Post by: Cheddarius on January 19, 2010, 12:31:27 am
Also, I've assigned a bunch of animals to be hurled ungraciously in a pit I have, but nobody's doing it. When I assign goblins to be thrown, they do it (although they usually freak out and run away from the goblins already in the pit) but with the animals they don't. Why could this be?
Post by: Heliman on January 19, 2010, 01:48:44 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 19, 2010, 03:14:18 am
make light constantly touch it
What's important is that once light has touched something, it's forever outside for the purpose of standing orders, and I think farming.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 19, 2010, 08:55:42 am
I'm gathering my legendary items so I can combine them to super awesome crazynes.Your artifact star ruby is a 'Large Gem'. You can only encrust objects with 'cut gems', not with a 'Large Gem'.
I've got an artifact star ruby encrusted with star ruby and an artifact raw adamantine mechanism decorated with raw adamantine. I've been training up a gem setter for a couple years to legenday and want to encrust the mechanism with the ruby. I lock my setter in an area with access only to the artifact room and a jewlers workshop. But, he cancels the job stating that there were no star rubies. Is there any way I can fix this.
Post by: Heliman on January 19, 2010, 01:50:22 pm
technically yes, but while dwarves do not care about it, exposed and recovered areas are treated as "Light" and "inside" at the same time, the dwarves are staying away from things with the "Light" tag when ordered to stay inside, apparently.make light constantly touch it
What's important is that once light has touched something, it's forever outside for the purpose of standing orders, and I think farming.
Post by: rufio on January 19, 2010, 02:13:13 pm
Yeah, I'm talking about the zero_rent setting in the init. I'm not sure if it'll work, because the economy proper can't be disabled once it triggers; hence, the same might be true for rents.
Just coming back to clarify that retroactively setting zero_rent in init does work.
Post by: Heliman on January 19, 2010, 02:24:43 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 19, 2010, 03:11:49 pm
One thing I do know, however, is that pregnancies aren't very realistic in this game, and I'm not just talking about conception via spores. For example, I've had elephant cows give birth once per year, while their pregnancies last almost 2 years in real life.
Post by: rufio on January 19, 2010, 04:53:02 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 19, 2010, 05:08:08 pm
Post by: XmasApe on January 19, 2010, 07:51:18 pm
When I took all COMMON_DOMESTIC tags out of my raws (to cut down on asinine things like cave-dwelling dwarves having pet cows follow them around everywhere), I could still embark with any WAGON_PULLER or MOUNT animals, but nobody brought any pets. This -will- deprive you of dogs, and let me say from experience: Do NOT have only one animal with the COMMON_DOMESTIC tag unless you'd like the Mountainhomes to send you about 500 of them in the autumn.I'm wondering, is it possible to mod animals so that they can still be purchased on the embark screen and possibly on caravans, but so that immigrants won't arrive with them as pets?
I can't answer the first part of your question, and I'm greatly interested as well, but pets should really not be much of a problem if you're willing to be brutal. You ever heard of a pet killing device? Build a narrow corridor with a lever, spike trap and two doors, more or less like this: 1___DSD, where 1 stands for the lever, _ for floors, D are doors and S is the spike trap, obviously. You draft your pet owner, station him near the lever, make the left door pet-impassable (but not forbidden, that would keep animals from trying to go through it) and wait for the pet to follow its owner. The rest is pretty much self-explanatory. The loss of a pet might make your guy unhappy, but that's nothing a good drink or fantastic, not to mention legendary, dining room won't cure.
The deathtrap sounds like a good idea, thanks! I'll use that to tithe me over on my current fort. :)
After a little looking, the wiki lists next to the PETVALUE token that the only creatures available on embark are those with the COMMON_DOMESTIC tag, although there may possibly be some other stipulations to this. Then under the CD tag description it lists that immigrants will bring animals with the CD tag as long as they also have one of the following: PET, PACK_ANIMAL, WAGON_PULLER, MOUNT.
This means that by removing all of the tags from that list from animals who have CD tags would *in theory* make them available on the embark screen, but not available as immigrant pets. It would also make them untameable wild animals which would raise more questions as to how the game would handle them and then how a player should handle them.
I'm definitely going to test this out today.
Post by: Heliman on January 19, 2010, 11:29:05 pm
(P.S, I love this thread, it's completley invaluable and is good for the little things that can ruin your
Post by: Cheddarius on January 19, 2010, 11:36:46 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 19, 2010, 11:49:30 pm
Is there some way I can revive my liasons who got massacred by goblins so I can ask for stuff I need? That is, cheat? Dwarf Companion doesn't seem to work on my computer, unfortunately...You could try Spellcraft (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=43043.0), especially if you still have the liaison's corpse sitting around someplace. It doesn't actually require a regen, though using it is somewhat complicated as it isn't intended for resurrecting a specific person like that.
Also, you may simply be misusing Companion. The most recent one works only with 40d16 AFAIK, so you may need to dig up a different version. Though if you've already tried that I certainly can't help you :(
Post by: Cheddarius on January 20, 2010, 12:00:07 am
Post by: Heliman on January 20, 2010, 11:05:37 am
Question:Can a dragon's breath hurt another dragon?Nvm, just found out they can't.
Post by: gopher dude on January 20, 2010, 03:16:19 pm
And I need to know somthing about vermin.
I need some cave spiders, no cave spiders have been seen yet, and I really need some underground silk.
Will cave spiders eventually spawn near the river?
Olms are near the river, but I don't know if they've spawned or they were just there to be begine with.
Post by: sproingie on January 20, 2010, 03:36:51 pm
Post by: gopher dude on January 20, 2010, 03:40:08 pm
GCS's don't spawn. If they weren't in the creature list on embark, they never will be.
I'm talking about the cave spiders, not giant cave spiders.
The vermin, not the horrible monster.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 20, 2010, 03:45:23 pm
GCS's don't spawn. If they weren't in the creature list on embark, they never will be.
No, but they do start stealthed, so not having any on your creature list is no guarantee one isn't on the map hiding somewhere.
Post by: JaaSwb on January 20, 2010, 04:36:53 pm
Is there any way to prevent muddy subterranean tiles from growing tower caps and shrubs? I'd hate to see the elaborate plumbing I have planned for this fortress get clogged, but I do need to tap the river if I'm ever going to do any farming at this site.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 20, 2010, 04:49:06 pm
Is there any way to prevent muddy subterranean tiles from growing tower caps and shrubs?It has been my experience that constructing floors on those tiles will stop tower-cap growth. I have heard other say they've seen tower-caps grown on constructed floors, but never seen it myself, so YMMV. Constructing paved roads also seems to stop tower-caps from growing.
Post by: qoonpooka on January 20, 2010, 04:51:46 pm
Is there any way to prevent muddy subterranean tiles from growing tower caps and shrubs?It has been my experience that constructing floors on those tiles will stop tower-cap growth. I have heard other say they've seen tower-caps grown on constructed floors, but never seen it myself, so YMMV. Constructing paved roads also seems to stop tower-caps from growing.
Are paved roads sufficient for desalination?
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 20, 2010, 04:53:26 pm
Are paved roads sufficient for desalination?
That is a good question that I don't know the answer to.
I do, however, know that wells ignore saltiness. If you need water, set up several of those above your salty pools.
Post by: JaaSwb on January 20, 2010, 04:56:45 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 20, 2010, 06:14:25 pm
Just started my first fortress with an underground river.
Is there any way to prevent muddy subterranean tiles from growing tower caps and shrubs? I'd hate to see the elaborate plumbing I have planned for this fortress get clogged, but I do need to tap the river if I'm ever going to do any farming at this site.
Build a road on them. Of any sort.
Generally, just make them non-muddy. Tower-caps and shrubs will grow on anything.
My personal solution is to floor the elf drowner in constructed floors, with a plan to change them if they get muddy.
Post by: AceOne on January 20, 2010, 06:55:53 pm
wth are my soldiers doing?
i dont have trouble training soldiers most of the time, some mainly (or dwarfy) wrestling followed by hammer training with cooper war hammers.
the 3 guys i have right now seem to anything but spare (yes they are off duty) they stand in the barracks for 2 seconds, then run off (they are decently agile so i cant even track them all that well) train for 2 more seconds and then run off again. it has been 2 seasons since i started these guys and they have not even gotten out off dabbling hammer user yet. i even check dwarf therapist and turn everything else off except military stuff just in case, and still these little bearded bastards are running left and right never getting any real training done.
impending hm hammering eh?
Post by: happydog23 on January 20, 2010, 07:06:42 pm
yet another nub question, i checked around and could not find a quick answer to this so..
wth are my soldiers doing?
i dont have trouble training soldiers most of the time, some mainly (or dwarfy) wrestling followed by hammer training with cooper war hammers.
the 3 guys i have right now seem to anything but spare (yes they are off duty) they stand in the barracks for 2 seconds, then run off (they are decently agile so i cant even track them all that well) train for 2 more seconds and then run off again. it has been 2 seasons since i started these guys and they have not even gotten out off dabbling hammer user yet. i even check dwarf therapist and turn everything else off except military stuff just in case, and still these little bearded bastards are running left and right never getting any real training done.
impending hm hammering eh?
I don't know if this is your problem, but wrestling is notorious for leveling too fast, while other skills take a while to spar up. If you catch some invaders in traps and disarm them and then release them to be training dummies for your military they tend to get skill faster than if they were just sparring.
Post by: AceOne on January 20, 2010, 10:50:34 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 20, 2010, 11:08:52 pm
Post by: AceOne on January 20, 2010, 11:11:21 pm
Post by: AceOne on January 20, 2010, 11:26:14 pm
i have tried remaking the barracks,
removing the rooms the soldiers own.
switching their weapons, nothing.
as i type this, they are currently zooming in and out of various bed rooms owned by other dwarfs.
its really starting to piss me off, i put these guys through plenty of civilian training to get tough before i put them on guard duty, now they pretty much worthless as a fighting force.
oh,and put them on duty and assign a station to them, they do that with no problem 2.
Post by: smjjames on January 20, 2010, 11:47:37 pm
Are paved roads sufficient for desalination?
That is a good question that I don't know the answer to.
I do, however, know that wells ignore saltiness. If you need water, set up several of those above your salty pools.
Thats cool to know.
@Skorpion: I've never had TCs or the UG shrubs grow on muddied constructed floors.
Post by: Neyvn on January 21, 2010, 02:42:32 am
Post by: KingKaol on January 21, 2010, 10:50:36 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 21, 2010, 10:59:55 am
If I want to visit my old fortresses in adventure mode, is there a method of finding them besides remembering where they are? And is there a way to see where your fortress is located on the world map after embarkation?
As far as I know, you have to more or less remember your location. If you know you're looking in the right direction as an adventurer, then you should ask in nearby town about the surroundings. The people there should (if you ask often enough) point you in the direction of your former fortress.
As to seeing where you embarked, I think the only way is to abandon and then reclaim (without actually reclaiming, mind you, but this way you're at least shown your location).
Post by: Skorpion on January 21, 2010, 12:19:12 pm
If I want to visit my old fortresses in adventure mode, is there a method of finding them besides remembering where they are? And is there a way to see where your fortress is located on the world map after embarkation?
Find the civillisation. Ask about the surroundings.
Post by: assimilateur on January 21, 2010, 12:27:21 pm
Find the civillisation. Ask about the surroundings.
Are you sure that is correct? One could embark half-way across the world from one's civilization, and hence have other dwarven civilizations actually closer by. What I did was, after abandoning and finding my ex-fort on the map, start an adventurer in the civ closest to said fort and asked the locals for directions.
Post by: gtmattz on January 21, 2010, 01:03:10 pm
yet another nub question, i checked around and could not find a quick answer to this so..
wth are my soldiers doing?
i dont have trouble training soldiers most of the time, some mainly (or dwarfy) wrestling followed by hammer training with cooper war hammers.
the 3 guys i have right now seem to anything but spare (yes they are off duty) they stand in the barracks for 2 seconds, then run off (they are decently agile so i cant even track them all that well) train for 2 more seconds and then run off again. it has been 2 seasons since i started these guys and they have not even gotten out off dabbling hammer user yet. i even check dwarf therapist and turn everything else off except military stuff just in case, and still these little bearded bastards are running left and right never getting any real training done.
impending hm hammering eh?
I have solved this by building a training room with a drawbridge in the entrance. I set up a decent stockpile of food and boose, some chairs tables and beds etc, then station the units i want to train in the room (on duty) then have some dwarf come by and pull the lever to lock them in, then set the trainees to stand down and since they have nowhere to go they train a lot more. I have to keep track of the food and put the trainees back on duty while I re-stock, but that is not too much trouble, and I am sure one could set up a hole to dump food down if you don't want to bother with opening the door etc.
Post by: happydog23 on January 21, 2010, 04:24:21 pm
I have solved this by building a training room with a drawbridge in the entrance.
Depending on the size of the training area and such, you might be better off/safer using a door linked to a lever... Once linked to lever it will be unable to open/close except for by the lever, and doors have an added bonus of not crushing a dwarf who decides to move at the wrong time. Even on station dwarves move from time to time, and eventually you may accidentally relieve one of his atoms using a bridge. Which if they are also wearing any kind of masterwork item might also have unintended fun attached.
Post by: gtmattz on January 21, 2010, 04:29:22 pm
I have solved this by building a training room with a drawbridge in the entrance.
Depending on the size of the training area and such, you might be better off/safer using a door linked to a lever... Once linked to lever it will be unable to open/close except for by the lever, and doors have an added bonus of not crushing a dwarf who decides to move at the wrong time. Even on station dwarves move from time to time, and eventually you may accidentally relieve one of his atoms using a bridge. Which if they are also wearing any kind of masterwork item might also have unintended fun attached.
I tried this with a door, and for some reason they refused to spar and appeared to be continually attempting to path to the meeting area where all the other dwarves were hanging out. When I replaced the door with a drawbridge they started sparring. I know this is counterintuitive, since lever-locked doors are supposed to block pathing.
Post by: Skorpion on January 21, 2010, 06:54:56 pm
Find the civillisation. Ask about the surroundings.
Are you sure that is correct? One could embark half-way across the world from one's civilization, and hence have other dwarven civilizations actually closer by. What I did was, after abandoning and finding my ex-fort on the map, start an adventurer in the civ closest to said fort and asked the locals for directions.
I said find the civillisation. As in, the one you were trading with in the fort.
Post by: assimilateur on January 21, 2010, 11:32:41 pm
I said find the civillisation. As in, the one you were trading with in the fort.
As far as I know, the civilization you trade with is your home civ, i.e. it isn't necessarily the one closest to you. Also: that's two times in a row that you've misspelled civilization. I'd recommend getting a spell checker for your browser.
Post by: Skorpion on January 22, 2010, 12:04:46 am
And if we're going THAT low, that should be a comma and not a colon.
Post by: Fredd on January 22, 2010, 12:30:13 am
Post by: Cheddarius on January 22, 2010, 02:52:07 am
Post by: silhouette on January 22, 2010, 02:56:46 am
Do goblins have to see a path inside to be lured into that path, or do they just "know"?every creature in df is telepathic about paths.
There has to bee a path or they just sit there dwiddling their thumbs... ild like that to change though so they path to places like dead ends, wait a bit then run off again... during their freetime or otherwise...
Post by: dAGNARUS on January 22, 2010, 05:01:21 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 22, 2010, 05:08:28 pm
Make your trade depot Trade accessible but also sealable.
Use screw pumps and water to flood the trade depot and drown them.
Post by: assimilateur on January 23, 2010, 03:31:04 am
And if we're going THAT low, that should be a comma and not a colon.
When I make errors, I expect others to correct them and not be a dick about it. That's what I did (if you noticed any sarcasm or anything like it in my words, that wasn't my intention), so you have nothing to get defensive about.
Or was it that we disagreed on something, I corrected your spelling, and you thought I had used that to somehow discredit you? Frankly, I should be insulted that you expected such FARK- or 4chan-level discourse from me.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 23, 2010, 03:53:00 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 23, 2010, 03:56:42 am
I want some ore that I can't find. Can I mod in a reaction for, say, 1 diorite produces 100 hematite (or iron, I guess, but it's more fun with ore) and be able to do that without regenning?
You are supposed to be able to mod in a new reaction by substituting an existing one you don't need, and not need to generate a world. I can't vouch for it, in that I haven't used it.
Post by: foop on January 23, 2010, 09:08:50 am
Also: that's two times in a row that you've misspelled civilization.The 17-volume set of the Oxford English Dictionary on the shelf behind me claims that civilisation is an acceptable spelling (although it does prefer civilization).
More importantly, though, why are some of my stockpiles full of weapons and armour? That's three now that I could swear have changed designations at some stage during the game. The most recent was a cloth & leather stockpile that, on inspection, also accepts weapons and armour. Which explains why it's full of the bloody stuff.
I'm sure I didn't change them, unless there's a weird sequence of keypresses that I'm likely to use by mistake. So why are they like that?
Post by: assimilateur on January 23, 2010, 09:39:35 am
The 17-volume set of the Oxford English Dictionary on the shelf behind me claims that civilisation is an acceptable spelling (although it does prefer civilization).
Civilization with an s for a z, perhaps, but I'm pretty sure two ls isn't acceptable at all.
More importantly, though, why are some of my stockpiles full of weapons and armour? That's three now that I could swear have changed designations at some stage during the game. The most recent was a cloth & leather stockpile that, on inspection, also accepts weapons and armour. Which explains why it's full of the bloody stuff.
I'm sure I didn't change them, unless there's a weird sequence of keypresses that I'm likely to use by mistake. So why are they like that?
I have no idea if that's normal, but I think I've seen something similar, namely empty barrels being filled with food, even though they sat in a stockpile which accepted lye barrels and wooden furniture. It looked as though they just put the food they were handling in the nearest empty barrel without waiting for it to be transfered to a furniture stockpile, nor bothering to carry it to the appropriate food stockpile afterwards.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 23, 2010, 11:27:58 pm
Post by: silhouette on January 23, 2010, 11:42:00 pm
Post by: Heliman on January 24, 2010, 01:13:53 am
IT BURNS PEOPLES EYES OUT!Trans: it's all of the the bright, blinding blue with none of the circus peanuts.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 24, 2010, 01:51:01 am
Post by: Skorpion on January 24, 2010, 01:54:33 am
What's up with microcline? Why do some people love it and most people hate it? It's just a blue economic stone...
Mayday graphics have made you weak. It's not economic at all. It's an 'other stone'.
It's annoying because it pauses and snaps the screen to exploratory mining. And it's bright freaking blue and sudden.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 24, 2010, 02:04:32 am
In other news, when I open my init files, I can modify them as I wish. However, opening other files like matgloss_stone_mineral gives me some crazy encrypted thing with a bunch of symbols. What could be going on?
Post by: happydog23 on January 24, 2010, 02:50:07 am
Ah, I see.
In other news, when I open my init files, I can modify them as I wish. However, opening other files like matgloss_stone_mineral gives me some crazy encrypted thing with a bunch of symbols. What could be going on?
Open the one in raw/objects instead of data/objects
Post by: Cheddarius on January 24, 2010, 03:00:56 am
Post by: silhouette on January 24, 2010, 03:50:32 am
oh shi-What's up with microcline? Why do some people love it and most people hate it? It's just a blue economic stone...
Mayday graphics have made you weak. It's not economic at all. It's an 'other stone'.
It's annoying because it pauses and snaps the screen to exploratory mining. And it's bright freaking blue and sudden.
im using mayday graphics and microcline blinds me...
if i go to use normal ascii graphics i believe ill look something like...
(http://www.newprophecy.net/Linda_Hamilton_-_Nuke_Scene.jpg)
Post by: Retro on January 24, 2010, 02:03:29 pm
Post by: Dendou on January 24, 2010, 03:33:40 pm
Where is my baby!
Post by: NecroRebel on January 24, 2010, 03:42:26 pm
If you use the unit list to zoom to the other children, you'll find them on the map. If you zoom to a snatched child's location, it zooms to where they were grabbed from. Regardless, that child is lost to you now.
Post by: happydog23 on January 24, 2010, 03:45:11 pm
I have a ghost child. I had 2 babies in my fort and got a message that a snatcher had run off with an Amost Dadokakir. I check the unit list and I still have both babies, niether are named Amost Dadokakir, and I see no baby snatcher. I find the snatcher soon after on his way out and my military makes mince meat out of him. I still don't see Amost Dadokakir. I check the relationships of all my dwarves and find her parents and check her thoughts. She is "happy to have been freed recently". I zoom in to where she is and there is nothing there.
Where is my baby!
For some reason I feel like saying that I see dead people. Also, in a couple of days you'll realize you can't find your baby because you are the ghost.
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 24, 2010, 05:18:29 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 24, 2010, 05:26:28 pm
What's the difference between war dogs and hunting dogs? Are hunting dogs faster while war dogs are stronger?War dogs deal double an untrained or hunting dog's damage. Hunting dogs, if assigned to a hunter, will sneak alongside the hunter, letting the hunter hunt effectively while also giving them the added defense and offense of having a dog along (untrained/war dogs will make prey run away, as will other unstealthed animals).
In my experience, hunting animals seem to spot stealthed enemies from 2 squares away more reliably than other animals. Any animal can spot stealthed enemies from a distance, but hunting animals seem to do it more often. Toady is quoted in the wiki's article on Dogs in the Hunting Dogs section. He claims that hunting animals "notice creatures from farther away" which would appear to back up my experience.
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 24, 2010, 07:20:51 pm
Also, I have a dead champion, who I want to bury in an aluminum sarcophagus.
I also have a dead hunter and fisherdwarf, who will be buried in iron sarcophagi.
How do I keep the champion from being buried in an iron coffin and the other 2 from being buried in the aluminum coffin?
Post by: Retro on January 24, 2010, 07:24:15 pm
Also, I have a dead champion, who I want to bury in an aluminum sarcophagus.
I also have a dead hunter and fisherdwarf, who will be buried in iron sarcophagi.
How do I keep the champion from being buried in an iron coffin and the other 2 from being buried in the aluminum coffin?
The only way to control what dwarf is buried in what coffin after they're dead is to have the coffin you want them buried in marked as the only available one, either by making the other free coffins unusable in the 'q' screen or by waiting until all the bodies are buried in whatever coffins, then deconstructing the coffins of the dwarf you want moved and then building the one you want them moved to.
Generally it's easier to mark each special coffin as a tomb, but many players (myself included) forget to do this until afterwards. Kind of a pain to micromanage burial procedures, but eh. DF's like that.
Post by: Flaede on January 24, 2010, 07:24:52 pm
Post by: A Dwarven Smokeologist on January 25, 2010, 02:15:20 am
Post by: Heliman on January 25, 2010, 02:48:51 pm
Post by: ballisticvole on January 25, 2010, 09:23:10 pm
Post by: gopher dude on January 25, 2010, 09:40:45 pm
Has milking been fixed yet? Last I red you could only milk purring maggots.
What animals can you milk if any besides purring maggots?
Post by: silhouette on January 25, 2010, 09:41:49 pm
Oh i almost forgot, purring maggots.
Post by: gopher dude on January 25, 2010, 10:39:20 pm
purring maggots and purring maggots, also on the rare occassion purring maggots.HMPHF! and again; HMPHFHFHMMHPHF!!! >=C
Oh i almost forgot, purring maggots.
How do I catch these..... "purring maggots"?
Post by: assimilateur on January 25, 2010, 11:17:33 pm
How do I catch these..... "purring maggots"?
Never bothered with it, but I think you do this by setting up animal traps near a chasm or bottomless pit.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 25, 2010, 11:23:29 pm
EDIT: My dwarves keep stopping work because they're interrupted by goblin X, but the only goblins around are behind three walls and totally unseeable. How are they getting scared?
Post by: Odd!x on January 26, 2010, 02:09:41 am
is there any way to force sand onto your map? short of futzing with the eldritch files of my region?
Post by: silhouette on January 26, 2010, 02:48:30 am
Post by: nowanmai on January 26, 2010, 03:01:00 am
Post by: Hannibal Barcalounger on January 26, 2010, 03:20:18 am
Just a little and probably dumb question - how do you dig upwards?
Are you trying to move up to Z+1 after digging out a tunnel on Z=0? Or are you trying to do some "reverse channeling" and empty out Z+1 while staying on Z=0 the whole time?
Post by: nowanmai on January 26, 2010, 03:48:34 am
The latter i guess. I can always build up stairs right?Just a little and probably dumb question - how do you dig upwards?
Are you trying to move up to Z+1 after digging out a tunnel on Z=0? Or are you trying to do some "reverse channeling" and empty out Z+1 while staying on Z=0 the whole time?
Post by: smokingwreckage on January 26, 2010, 06:20:46 am
Post by: Skorpion on January 26, 2010, 03:56:23 pm
perhaps they can hear their vicious howls and black-tongued curses echoing through the walls and echoing through the fortress?
is there any way to force sand onto your map? short of futzing with the eldritch files of my region?
Yeah, actually. If you have an underground river or pool, harvested tower-caps leave muddy sand behind.
Post by: Heliman on January 26, 2010, 04:57:50 pm
I had a cave-in and my miner was knocked out but survived, but I found a stack of dwarf bones at the cave in site even though nobody died, where did they come from?Check to see if the dwarf lost a limb, those will produce bones after they're done rotting.
Post by: nil on January 26, 2010, 05:08:46 pm
This has a chance to work or not within (I think) a given biome layer. Could be by z-level. Basically underground vegetation leaves a tile of soil behind, and that soil can be sand, silt, clay, etc.perhaps they can hear their vicious howls and black-tongued curses echoing through the walls and echoing through the fortress?
is there any way to force sand onto your map? short of futzing with the eldritch files of my region?
Yeah, actually. If you have an underground river or pool, harvested tower-caps leave muddy sand behind.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 26, 2010, 09:33:16 pm
Post by: JaaSwb on January 26, 2010, 09:50:15 pm
The list of moodable skills is at http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Strange_mood#Skills_and_workshops (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Strange_mood#Skills_and_workshops)
Post by: Cheddarius on January 26, 2010, 09:53:08 pm
Also, I have a large animal pit, blocked by forbidden doors, where horses and such have been breeding for a while. How can I hunt them without letting them escape?
Post by: JaaSwb on January 26, 2010, 09:56:29 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 26, 2010, 10:44:52 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 26, 2010, 11:09:09 pm
Er, so whether he has the skill matters, but not how good he is at it?
As JasSwb said, the highest moodable skill is all that is counted. Some people advocate having every migrant peasant and other non-moodable-skill-possessors make a single weapon from cheap metal, just so they're dabbling weaponsmiths so if they get a mood they'll make a useful and valuable weapon instead of a useless and cheap stone, wood, or bonecraft.
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Also, I have a large animal pit, blocked by forbidden doors, where horses and such have been breeding for a while. How can I hunt them without letting them escape?Make an airlock. Build a second set of forbidden doors, put your desired hunter, a butcher, a tanner, a butcher's shop, a tanner's shop, a pair of beds, tables, and chairs, a food stockpile with plentiful space and barrels, and a refuse stockpile between them, then forbid the outer doors and permit the inner doors. The hunter will then see that there are animals he can path to and will hunt them, hauling them back to the butchery, where the butcher will butcher them, then haul the meat and fat to the food stockpile, the bones, skull, and chunks to the refuse stockpile, and the tanner will make leather from the skin.
Strictly speaking, you don't actually "need" anything other than the hunter, but it's impossible to retrieve the resources other than bones if you don't have the other stuff to process the corpses before it rots away. If you're just harvesting wild animals for resources instead of trying to skill up a hunter, it's more efficient just to drop the animals a long distance so they're dead and accessible for your butcher et al.
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 27, 2010, 02:31:05 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on January 27, 2010, 02:36:59 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 27, 2010, 02:42:55 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 27, 2010, 03:09:34 pm
Post by: absynthe7 on January 27, 2010, 03:16:58 pm
Post by: Keuran on January 27, 2010, 03:26:20 pm
Edit: here's sort of a vertical diagram:
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X is the cliffF is the floors or walls
I is the support
B is the bridge
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S is the switch connected to the support
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 27, 2010, 07:58:31 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 27, 2010, 08:01:03 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 27, 2010, 08:11:58 pm
Will dwarves dump forbidden items if they're forbidden and marked to be dumped? I don't want my armor stockpile filling up with narrow leather items. :(No, but they also won't stockpile items to be dumped. So, your armor stockpile won't get filled with narrow leather items.
Also, avoiding that specific problem is why it is wise to either A) limit your armor stockpiles to accept only metal, B) have seperate stockpiles for usable and unusable stuff so you don't have to deal with specifically melt-designating specific items, or C) both. Myself, I usually build several equipment stockpiles, one accepting only usable masterwork- and artifact-quality weapons and armor (I usualy also have this one accept other masterwork metal pieces), one accepting all other metal items, and a third, binless stockpile to take unusable non-metal armor, clothing, weapons, and non-bolt ammo. This last usually gets dumped into an atom smasher or chasm once every couple/few seasons, depending on how long it takes to fill; I almost never trade away invader clothes, since it's just too exploity in my mind to have that much free wealth.
Post by: Skorpion on January 27, 2010, 08:41:44 pm
If I build a constructed floor "gangplank" off the edge of a cliff, how can i deconstruct it (sending the gangplank and anything on it plummeting ten z-stories) without putting one of my dwarves at risk of falling with it?
Have the noble invariably included on it do the honours.
Post by: A Dwarven Smokeologist on January 28, 2010, 02:00:43 am
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Post by: gopher dude on January 28, 2010, 02:32:12 am
They use trogg, snakemen, etc leather. Leather made from 'beastmen', can I make leather from beastmen? I had some snakemen and lizardmen in my pool but my dwarfs never made any leather from them.
I'm also noticing that there always one or two humans mixed in fighting along side the goblins; wtf? Goblins and humans are not the same animal and I don't remember pissing off any humans.
Are the humans just there due to goblin baby snatchers snatching humans?
Post by: geoduck on January 28, 2010, 03:02:25 am
Are the humans just there due to goblin baby snatchers snatching humans?
Yes. Dwarfs will also turn up in Goblin raiding parties.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 28, 2010, 11:48:15 am
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Post by: Skorpion on January 28, 2010, 06:04:13 pm
Should I just take the clownite weapons off my champions?
Post by: SethCreiyd on January 28, 2010, 06:11:01 pm
They use trogg, snakemen, etc leather. Leather made from 'beastmen', can I make leather from beastmen? I had some snakemen and lizardmen in my pool but my dwarfs never made any leather from them.
That is normal. Dark gnome leather is common too. It has to do with their race's ethics; the Gobbies consider it acceptable to butcher and make trophies of sapient beings. Seeing those elf bone bracelets always makes me feel a bit warmer inside.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 28, 2010, 07:13:45 pm
Post by: sproingie on January 28, 2010, 07:35:12 pm
I can't wait for the next version when I don't have to micromanage my whole squad just to arm them.
Post by: Garth on January 28, 2010, 07:37:22 pm
I've got plenty of barrels and food saved up in stockpiles.
The only thing I have set to farm is plump helmets.
While trying to brew drinks from the plump helmets the task gets canceled because my brewer cannot find an item that can be brewed.
My stockpiles are overflowing with helmet spawns.
Do I need to plant these spawns in order for them to be brewed?
Post by: SethCreiyd on January 28, 2010, 07:47:13 pm
Post by: Garth on January 28, 2010, 07:55:46 pm
You can only brew the plump helmets, not their seeds.Now I feel like a total dumbass....
Also, how can I prevent my dwarves from starting parties the second another one ends?
I'm tired of having my dwarves too busy at parties to work >.>
Post by: SethCreiyd on January 28, 2010, 07:58:15 pm
Post by: Garth on January 28, 2010, 08:05:27 pm
Post by: sproingie on January 28, 2010, 08:08:07 pm
If for some reason I do have parties (like I designated a statue garden) I actually have no problems using Dwarf The rapist to cancel parties, since I personally see the frequency and length of parties as a bug.
Post by: gopher dude on January 28, 2010, 08:09:20 pm
Elfs.
I clear cutted a great deal of the woods and pulled out alot of vegitation in order for the dirt to have equal chances of growing trees and other buisness.
The elfs never said a thing and out of the blue they just decided I was cutting down to many trees and have 'ambushed' me about three times now.
SUFFICED TO SAY: I've seen my dwarf wrestlers punch the head off a goblin who had metal gear on...elfs armed in wood and plant fiberous gear is no problem.
How long until the elfs send a missionary or a representative to talk peace? I really want some of the elves exotic animals.
Post by: sproingie on January 28, 2010, 08:13:13 pm
I never get animals anyway, just a bunch of *&*@^% cloth and wooden weapons.
Post by: Skorpion on January 28, 2010, 09:57:37 pm
Why not make clownite armor instead, use silver/wood weapons, make a stockpile for clownite weapons in the barracks, and change when you get attacked?
They're wearing either clownite or steel, and they'll just run into battle carrying whatever when put on-duty.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 28, 2010, 09:59:15 pm
Spam marksdwarves?
Post by: assimilateur on January 28, 2010, 10:42:49 pm
They're wearing either clownite or steel, and they'll just run into battle carrying whatever when put on-duty.
That's your problem. Armor material should be a higher priority than weapon material. I'd try to make sure that any and all armor my guys are wearing is clownite before even thinking about making any clownite weapons. Even then, I'd make them spar with silver ones until they're legendary in at least the appropriate weapon skill, but preferably armor and shield usage as well. If you're unable to make them swap weapons whenever a siege comes around, then I think it would still be safer for them to fight using silver than to spar using clownite.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 28, 2010, 11:02:58 pm
But then you send your recruits into battle with clownite, and your gods with silver... hmm.
Post by: ungulateman on January 28, 2010, 11:33:50 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 28, 2010, 11:47:40 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 29, 2010, 12:01:36 am
Really.Yes. Apparently, when sparring, there are 2 attack rolls made. The first checks to see if the attack hits, while the second checks to see if the attack "hits." If the second check is successful, no/severely limited damage is dealt, while if the first hits but the second doesn't it's like the target got hit full-force. Higher skill levels make both of these checks easier, so more skilled warriors spar more safely.
...Which has lead me to wonder if the common wisdom about no-quality weapons being the safest for sparring. I've read a quote from Toady that said that weapon quality improves effective skill levels, so I've wondered whether the skill boost from a masterwork weapon might not make for safer sparring than the lowered damage of a no-quality weapon. Unfortunately, I haven't the patience to test it for myself, and besides that, I usually find my masterwork steel weapons safe enough to train with once my people have full masterwork chain and plate, so I've had little motivation. If anyone can answer the implied question here I would be grateful ;)
Post by: gopher dude on January 29, 2010, 12:41:17 am
So I've set up cage traps in my fort for security reasons and I've taught two thing: A goblin, and about five or six gnomes.
How do I safely sell these creatures without the dwarfs just selling the cages they're in? And in the process taking the cage and letting the gnomes and the goblin out.
Can I sell caged humanoids/beastmen?
Can I pretty much trap any beast or creature in a cage?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 29, 2010, 12:50:09 am
Post by: Skorpion on January 29, 2010, 01:21:40 am
They're wearing either clownite or steel, and they'll just run into battle carrying whatever when put on-duty.
That's your problem. Armor material should be a higher priority than weapon material. I'd try to make sure that any and all armor my guys are wearing is clownite before even thinking about making any clownite weapons. Even then, I'd make them spar with silver ones until they're legendary in at least the appropriate weapon skill, but preferably armor and shield usage as well. If you're unable to make them swap weapons whenever a siege comes around, then I think it would still be safer for them to fight using silver than to spar using clownite.
Right now, it's a case of having enough armour made. Most of the dwarves are legendary anyway, and it just seems to be random chance.
Hell, the last one WAS wearing clownite. He just randomly died of no longer having a throat.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 29, 2010, 01:51:35 am
Post by: assimilateur on January 29, 2010, 07:33:41 am
He just randomly died of no longer having a throat.
It's generally advisable to use silver weapons for training, as has already been said over and over again. You know how the mechanics work, right? Normally, sparring dwarves hit each other very lightly, so as not to injure one another. Once in a while, however, a hit will "connect" as hardly as it should only do in live combat. That is a mistake, obviously, and seems to be more likely for a low-skilled fighter.
Thus if you give your guys very powerful weapons for training, a hard hit is likely to be dangerous even if their armor is as good as their weapons, and more so if their armor is weaker. That is precisely the reason for why sparring injuries using clownite weapons are anything but random, they are to be expected.
There really should be no discussion about this. If you want to let your guys use clownite weapons for training, then by all means do, but you're only asking for sparring-related injuries and deaths.
I've read a quote from Toady that said that weapon quality improves effective skill levels
I've read the same on the wiki, but I thought that wisdom was outdated. Do you remember whether that quote you're referring to was about the current version? Because if yes, and if the common wisdom of sparring becoming safer with higher weapon skills is true, then a high-quality weapon would most assuredly lead to safer training. A high-quality silver weapon, mind you, not a clownite one.
Post by: Sphalerite on January 29, 2010, 09:09:44 am
How do I safely sell these creatures without the dwarfs just selling the cages they're in? And in the process taking the cage and letting the gnomes and the goblin out.You can't. This is a bug in the current version.
Post by: absynthe7 on January 29, 2010, 10:46:54 am
How can I find some bauxite? Or, failing that, how can I build a pump stack and drawbridge safely without any?
Post by: NecroRebel on January 29, 2010, 11:52:30 am
Hmm... Just found the quote on the wiki again (it's on the item quality page), and now it is under a label for a specific version (23a), but I never remember seeing it there before. Odd. I had just assumed that information was current, but if it's obsolete it might not matter.I've read a quote from Toady that said that weapon quality improves effective skill levels
I've read the same on the wiki, but I thought that wisdom was outdated. Do you remember whether that quote you're referring to was about the current version? Because if yes, and if the common wisdom of sparring becoming safer with higher weapon skills is true, then a high-quality weapon would most assuredly lead to safer training. A high-quality silver weapon, mind you, not a clownite one.
But yes, if it is still current, MW silver would be the best for sparring. Though the fact that it refers to 23a doesn't make it certainly inapplicable now... Annoying :-\
Edit: By happenstance, I found Footkerchief quoting a place where Toady said that the quality-based skill modifications are, in fact, still applicable. Bottom of this post. (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=37546.msg609899#msg609899) So, the question is still open (not answered, as such, since damage-over-time with no-quality and MW-quality from sparring isn't clear, but rather open).
I'm building a magma-fall in front of my fortress, then raising my drawbridge to block the magma from entering my fort. One problem - no bauxite :(Bauxite is vastly overrated. It is found in large clusters in sedimentary rock layers, which are fairly uncommonly found near magma. While it is the only magma-safe stone (mostly), most magmaworks I've built haven't needed it at all.
How can I find some bauxite? Or, failing that, how can I build a pump stack and drawbridge safely without any?
To make a "magma-safe" drawbridge without actually making a magma-safe drawbridge, just make sure you always and without fail raise it before magma would cover it. To make a "magma-safe" pump stack without actually making a magma-safe pump stack, just use fire-safe materials to build the pumps, use the pumps themselves for the stack's power system, and make sure that no magma ever gets into the passible intake end of any pumps. To use the pumps for the stack's power system, build floors and walls like the following:
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except for on the lowest level, where you omit the hole between the two floor pieces. Have one level just like that, though perhaps rotated, then the next level up flipped 180 degrees. Put the passable tile on top of the first floor tile with the output leading onto the second floor tile. This makes each pump output directly into the input tile of the next, and all of the pumps will be hanging and attached directly to the ones below and above themselves such that power will transfer. Connect the power system from outside the stack from the side to one of the stack's passible tiles, with a lever-linked gear assembly somewhere along the line so you can cut the power to the stack; this will allow you to do without a door or somesuch at the stack's top for toggling the magma-fall, which you can't do without bauxite mechanisms.
...If that's not clear enough, which it might not be since I know what I'm talking about and I'm still confusing myself, ask someone else ::)
Post by: gopher dude on January 29, 2010, 11:18:53 pm
I've started a new fortress and I see some naked mole dogs hanging around a chasm nearby my fortress and a giant cave swallow.
Can I tame and breed the naked mole dogs?
Post by: NecroRebel on January 29, 2010, 11:28:06 pm
How do I know what I can and cannot tame?You can't really tell ingame, but the raws and wiki can help. The wiki especially, as you can relatively quickly look up a specific creature's entry, check their Game Object Data (which, by default, is inside a spoiler), which is essentially the creature's raw entry in an easy-to-find location, and search for the [PET] or [PET_EXOTIC] tag. If they have one of these, the creature can be tamed.
I've started a new fortress and I see some naked mole dogs hanging around a chasm nearby my fortress and a giant cave swallow.
Can I tame and breed the naked mole dogs?
Naked mole dogs have the [PET_EXOTIC] tag, which means that you can tame them once your dungeon master arrives. The swallow has the same. Do note that normal dogs are essentially better than NMDs in almost every way; bigger, trainable, and much easier to get ahold of. Then again, there's not really any reason not to have both NMDs and non-naked non-mole dogs, so... Yeah.
Post by: Skorpion on January 30, 2010, 12:13:39 am
He just randomly died of no longer having a throat.
It's generally advisable to use silver weapons for training, as has already been said over and over again. You know how the mechanics work, right? Normally, sparring dwarves hit each other very lightly, so as not to injure one another. Once in a while, however, a hit will "connect" as hardly as it should only do in live combat. That is a mistake, obviously, and seems to be more likely for a low-skilled fighter.
Thus if you give your guys very powerful weapons for training, a hard hit is likely to be dangerous even if their armor is as good as their weapons, and more so if their armor is weaker. That is precisely the reason for why sparring injuries using clownite weapons are anything but random, they are to be expected.
There really should be no discussion about this. If you want to let your guys use clownite weapons for training, then by all means do, but you're only asking for sparring-related injuries and deaths.
I know I shouldn't let them do that, but there's no END of trouble getting them to relinquish low-quality junk.
And I'm LONG past caring about casualties. I think I'm just gonna leave them on duty all the time from now on, for the sake of security.
Constant vigilance!
Except when you're sleeping.
Or drinking.
Or getting provisions.
Or walking between them.
Or on break wandering around the chasm.
Post by: SethCreiyd on January 30, 2010, 12:16:04 am
Post by: Hannibal Barcalounger on January 30, 2010, 12:19:11 am
Post by: Cheddarius on January 30, 2010, 01:19:10 am
Skorpion, how about this: Have a few guys train for a massive time, silver weapons only. Have a bunch of squads have constant vigilance like you said. When the trainers become champions, switch them out to constant vigilance and switch a squad in for training.
Post by: assimilateur on January 30, 2010, 09:23:57 am
Edit: By happenstance, I found Footkerchief quoting a place where Toady said that the quality-based skill modifications are, in fact, still applicable. Bottom of this post. (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=37546.msg609899#msg609899) So, the question is still open (not answered, as such, since damage-over-time with no-quality and MW-quality from sparring isn't clear, but rather open).
I don't think I get it. What exactly is the controversy, after you've established that weapon quality increases effective skill levels, for some applications (keeping in mind that the risk of sparring injuries seems inversely proportional to weapon skill)?
Post by: Phantasma on January 30, 2010, 12:47:01 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 30, 2010, 12:52:45 pm
I don't think I get it. What exactly is the controversy, after you've established that weapon quality increases effective skill levels, for some applications (keeping in mind that the risk of sparring injuries seems inversely proportional to weapon skill)?The risk of sparring injuries is inversely proportional to weapon skill, and thus also weapon quality, but the intensity of sparring injuries (damage) is directly proportional to weapon quality. So, the question is whether bigger, less frequent hits (due to high-quality weapons) is safer than smaller, more frequent hits (due to low-quality weapons).
So I'm just wondering whether or not the skl*5+5 modifier more than halves the number of real hits. If it less than halves that number, the doubled damage from a MW weapon over a no-quality weapon would make it less safe (since damage total would be *2/x, where x<2; total damage increases). If it exactly halves the number of real hits, it's really no safer (where damage is *2/2), whereas if the chance of real hits is reduced by more than half it would be safer (*2/x, where x>2; total damage decreases).
I'm not really sure how to explain it better than that :-\ Part of the problem is that I'm not sure how to put it into mathematical formulas to show it more clearly, which makes describing math stuff hard. Basically, though, number of real hits isn't the only thing you have to worry about in sparring, which is why MW adamantine weapons are still comically unsafe.
Do strange mood dwarfs always become legendary upon creating an artifact? I've had 3 artifacts createn now but only 1 dwarf has become legendary.There are several forms of mood, each of which gives different messages when it begins and when you scroll over the workshop. You, it would seem, have gotten the message "Urist McMoodydwarf has been possessed!" in big purple letters twice, which means that your dwarf has entered the type of mood known as Possession. Possessions do not give skill boosts, while every other type of mood does.
So... No, strange mood dwarves become legendary only if their mood is not a possession.
Post by: assimilateur on January 30, 2010, 01:00:43 pm
So, the question is whether bigger, less frequent hits (due to high-quality weapons) is safer than smaller, more frequent hits (due to low-quality weapons).
That's more or less what I was thinking. Perhaps I wasn't fully awake when I didn't fully get your previous post.
We'd need to know what sort of damage resistance an exceptional or masterwork suit of steel armor provides. It might be enough to fully deflect hits of silver weapons regardless of their quality. I figure that info might be found in that thread about attack rolls you've linked to; I'll get around to reading it thoroughly later on.
Post by: Phantasma on January 30, 2010, 01:00:54 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 30, 2010, 01:30:11 pm
We'd need to know what sort of damage resistance an exceptional or masterwork suit of steel armor provides. It might be enough to fully deflect hits of silver weapons regardless of their quality. I figure that info might be found in that thread about attack rolls you've linked to; I'll get around to reading it thoroughly later on.Well, damblock for armors is in the raws... If I'm reading everything in the raws and on the wiki's Armor Tokens page, it looks like a full set of layered MW steel chain and plate with greaves, gauntlets, a shield, high boots, cap, and helm would give effective damblock 31.92 on the torso, 39.9 on the upper legs, 53.2 on the upper shield arm, 37.24 on the upper weapon arm, 42.56 on the head, 15.96 on the lower weapon arm and hand, 31.92 on the lower shield arm and hand, and 34.58 on the feet and lower legs. Hmm... Seems odd that the protection on the torso is so low, but that's largely because the torso armor protects everything around it for more stacking while nothing else stacks to the torso.
Now, the actual damblock taken into the attack formula is a random number between 0 and the effective damblock, but if I'm reading the formula right, a MW silver warhammer has a damage rating of 12, so to have an even chance of damaging a flawlessly-steeled sparring partner a dwarf would have to have 4 strength, and that would only be a hit on the weapon arm and wouldn't be very severe. It would take an Ultra-Mighty+25 to give an even chance at a headwound, so unless you're sparring with Morul you're not having much of a problem.
But yeah, if I'm reading my numbers right, with the best armor your champions are essentially immune to damage from anything short of a steel weapon or a big size difference. Good to know.
Post by: assimilateur on January 30, 2010, 01:42:56 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on January 30, 2010, 01:57:29 pm
Thanks for that analysis, mate. That pretty much settles it: MW silver weapons for sparring it is, then.That doesn't... Wait. Riiiiight, negligible damage either way means that MW weapons are in fact better, especially since they're better if you have to go into battle unexpectedly. Though MW copper, bronze, or even iron weapons might be even be better, since they also have great difficulty hurting the steel-clad soldier and are even better if you don't switch out for real battle. Layered steel armor is just ridiculously powerful, and that's a major determinator for what's safe to spar with.
Post by: Slipstream on January 30, 2010, 02:10:21 pm
Why can't I seem to start multiple fortresses in the same world? I can swear I've done it before but the option of only "continue playing" is available.
Am I missing something completely obvious?
Post by: smjjames on January 30, 2010, 02:11:32 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 30, 2010, 02:25:01 pm
MW weapons are in fact better
Yes, I've based that conclusion on both their negligible damage and the fact that they increase the effective weapon skill of their users, supposedly leading to fewer sparring accidents.
Post by: Skorpion on January 30, 2010, 05:49:15 pm
Seth, build a bridge over a large 10-z chasm (designate c(h)annels to make a chasm) and set it on repeat. Let a few elves fall in and die, but let some escape to tell the tale.
Skorpion, how about this: Have a few guys train for a massive time, silver weapons only. Have a bunch of squads have constant vigilance like you said. When the trainers become champions, switch them out to constant vigilance and switch a squad in for training.
That's what I'm doing. Assigning armour and weapons to migrants, and then stuffing them in the champion squads when they hit legendary in something.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 30, 2010, 06:06:59 pm
Post by: Mr.Lee on January 30, 2010, 06:10:25 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 30, 2010, 06:12:41 pm
DON'T LEAVE DUPLICATE ENTRIES. That will cause the world to go crazy. Alligators living in houses. Embarking as purring maggots that bleed plump helmets and molten iron.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 30, 2010, 06:17:36 pm
Post by: Mr.Lee on January 30, 2010, 06:20:31 pm
Post by: Mr.Lee on January 30, 2010, 06:22:49 pm
Yeah, just slot them into the raws.I had Lizard Men and Snakes as my trade alli.
DON'T LEAVE DUPLICATE ENTRIES. That will cause the world to go crazy. Alligators living in houses. Embarking as purring maggots that bleed plump helmets and molten iron.
Post by: Mr.Lee on January 30, 2010, 06:41:11 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 30, 2010, 06:55:29 pm
Post by: Mr.Lee on January 30, 2010, 07:19:58 pm
Look here (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Weapon_Tokens), and look at your existing weapons in the raws to see what you need to do.TY but is there a way to make new skills
Post by: Jack_Bread on January 30, 2010, 07:38:14 pm
Post by: gopher dude on January 30, 2010, 07:57:54 pm
I started out in year 22 of the age of myth; will I be expected to encounter more fun?
I've fished out a mussel from the nearby lake; what creatures can I obtain shells from?
Post by: Skorpion on January 30, 2010, 08:36:07 pm
TWO QUESTIONS courtesy of the always curious gopher dude.
I started out in year 22 of the age of myth; will I be expected to encounter more fun?
I've fished out a mussel from the nearby lake; what creatures can I obtain shells from?
Turtles and cave lobsters, IIRC.
Post by: SethCreiyd on January 30, 2010, 08:40:25 pm
Post by: gopher dude on January 30, 2010, 09:16:00 pm
thats it? >=CTWO QUESTIONS courtesy of the always curious gopher dude.
I started out in year 22 of the age of myth; will I be expected to encounter more fun?
I've fished out a mussel from the nearby lake; what creatures can I obtain shells from?
Turtles and cave lobsters, IIRC.
Mussels and clams don't give shells?
Post by: Cheddarius on January 30, 2010, 09:26:06 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 30, 2010, 09:46:00 pm
thats it? >=CTWO QUESTIONS courtesy of the always curious gopher dude.
I started out in year 22 of the age of myth; will I be expected to encounter more fun?
I've fished out a mussel from the nearby lake; what creatures can I obtain shells from?
Turtles and cave lobsters, IIRC.
Mussels and clams don't give shells?
Only ones I've ever seen.
http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Shell
The wiki concurs.
Just import some turtles/lobsters.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 30, 2010, 09:49:53 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 30, 2010, 10:35:43 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 30, 2010, 10:39:30 pm
Post by: gopher dude on January 30, 2010, 11:23:52 pm
One: I've noticed that a map can run out of animals to hunt; if I kill everything on a map (discluding fish, vermin, ecetera) will they never come back?
Two: I'm eyeing over these naked mole dogs and I want to tame them, but first I have to catch them; Whats the best way for them to get into my cage traps?
Post by: silhouette on January 30, 2010, 11:30:45 pm
and no they dont come back
Post by: gopher dude on January 30, 2010, 11:41:48 pm
Also shit. >=C
*edit*
Well dicks in a hamper, all of the naked mole dogs DIED somehow and the population is left at a pathetic two males.
ALL MY DREAMS OF A NAKED MOLE DOG FARM RUINED.
Post by: NecroRebel on January 30, 2010, 11:59:45 pm
No, really, to lure carnivorous or aggressive creatures into cage traps, you actually do use small, tame animals that are chained beyond the trap line. For less-aggressive creatures, it's better to use 2-4 soldiers in a rough U-shape to scare the animals in a specific direction into the cage traps, but NMDs are aggressive.
The reason why the NMDs died is probably old age; many chasm creatures die early on in a fort due to their short lifespans. NMDs sometimes will start breeding beforehand, but not always.
Also, apparently after 50 years or so wildlife populations do return. At least, that's what Martin believes happened in... I want to say Lashedwines, the residence of Morul, the Most Interesting Dwarf in the World. He hunted out all wildlife as part of his quest to get Morul to be a legendary Ambusher, but eventually more wildlife started coming in from the map edges, many decades later. This information is, of course, almost completely useless, since few forts last more than 20 years before boredom sets in, but there it is anyway.
Post by: Skorpion on January 31, 2010, 12:40:08 am
Also, wildlife never respawns. However, it does migrate from off-map. Once you kill off all the local populations, it'll draw from further and further around, most likely.
Post by: gopher dude on January 31, 2010, 01:37:00 am
Post by: Cheddarius on January 31, 2010, 01:41:45 am
Post by: Skorpion on January 31, 2010, 01:42:39 am
Sooooo, best advice if I want to tame some cool animals?
Depends on behaviour. If they flee from dwarves, chase them into cage traps. If they pursue, lure them.
Post by: smjjames on January 31, 2010, 02:32:54 am
Naked moledogs don't live very long.
Also, wildlife never respawns. However, it does migrate from off-map. Once you kill off all the local populations, it'll draw from further and further around, most likely.
Yea, Naked Mole dogs only live, what, 2 or three years? And thats counting the one year child stage. In fact, I've had naked mole dogs start dying off during the very first year. Why the heck they have such a short lifespan, I have no idea.
Post by: gopher dude on January 31, 2010, 03:07:04 am
I mean if they're only gonna live for 3 years whats the point?
They died before I could get to them and they didn't have any kids.
ACTUAL QUESTION:
What does df get updated?
Is a new version coming out any time soon?
Where can I find out?
Post by: NecroRebel on January 31, 2010, 03:22:34 am
I think naked mole dogs should have a higher reproduction rate and a shorter puppy time.Well then, mod them. Their raw entry is in creature_subterranean. Increase their [MAX_AGE:2:3] to more like 6:9 to triple their lifespan, turn [CHILD:1] to 0 (I'm not sure if that actually works, but it might), and give them the [liTTERSIZE:something:something else] tag. They'll live longer, mature faster (instantly, if [CHILD:0] works) and have more babies per litter.
I mean if they're only gonna live for 3 years whats the point?
They died before I could get to them and they didn't have any kids.
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ACTUAL QUESTION:Sometime. It depends on how long it takes Toady One to finish up the new update. You can find what he still thinks he has left to do here, (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=30026.0) and what he has done recently here. (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html) The latter updates more often, but isn't always very informative.
What does df get updated?
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Is a new version coming out any time soon?Probably, for certain values of "soon." It's generally expected by the end of March at the latest, but may be out in February. It might (not very likely, but possibly) be out 2 seconds from now!
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Where can I find out?The first thread I linked above has running commentary by people in the know. Footkerchief in particular is the one to watch; he seems to know what's going on the best of anyone.
Post by: Slipstream on January 31, 2010, 02:17:15 pm
Hi guys, I've been playing DF for a while now and I've been searching around for an answer to this question:
Why can't I seem to start multiple fortresses in the same world? I can swear I've done it before but the option of only "continue playing" is available.
Am I missing something completely obvious?
What I mean is if I have 1 active fortress in a world I generated, can I not start another active fortress in that same world without abandoning the first?
Post by: Skorpion on January 31, 2010, 02:29:05 pm
Hi guys, I've been playing DF for a while now and I've been searching around for an answer to this question:
Why can't I seem to start multiple fortresses in the same world? I can swear I've done it before but the option of only "continue playing" is available.
Am I missing something completely obvious?
What I mean is if I have 1 active fortress in a world I generated, can I not start another active fortress in that same world without abandoning the first?
Yes. One at once.
ACTUAL QUESTION:
What does df get updated?
Is a new version coming out any time soon?
Where can I find out?
Everything at once. The next release is gonna be a paradigm shift.
Soonish. It's close, we can tell that much, but it'll be done when it's done.
Here: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/dev_now.html
Development blog.
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 02:35:50 pm
As far as I know there is no console for DF...
Post by: Cheddarius on January 31, 2010, 02:41:26 pm
Post by: SethCreiyd on January 31, 2010, 03:37:19 pm
Post by: Skorpion on January 31, 2010, 03:37:30 pm
How does one check the framerate the game is running at?
As far as I know there is no console for DF...
Poke through the init file. You can change the settings to show it at all times.
Post by: Slipstream on January 31, 2010, 03:40:09 pm
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 04:29:00 pm
The game runs, ON AVERAGE, at around 15FPS....
Post by: assimilateur on January 31, 2010, 04:33:00 pm
Oh WOW...
The game runs, ON AVERAGE, at around 15FPS....
Welcome to Dwarf Fortress.
Post by: jayseesee on January 31, 2010, 04:35:02 pm
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 04:35:26 pm
More like welcome to my shitty netbook of a laptop...Oh WOW...
The game runs, ON AVERAGE, at around 15FPS....
Welcome to Dwarf Fortress.
Post by: Skorpion on January 31, 2010, 04:42:15 pm
Oh WOW...
The game runs, ON AVERAGE, at around 15FPS....
DF really requires a high-end PC with a fast processor.
I'm managing about 8FPS currently, but with a lot of dwarves and stuff.
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 04:48:40 pm
On a 1.6 intel ATOM processor clocked at like 1.2ghz....
I need a new laptop. :-\
Post by: assimilateur on January 31, 2010, 04:55:28 pm
DF really requires a high-end PC with a fast processor.
What DF requires is a rewrite, as even on high-end PCs it doesn't necessarily run smoothly. I don't really want to start a long-winded discussion on this topic, I'm just giving you my two cents, namely that having a top-notch rig is not a surefire way of running this game at high framerates; I can't stress this enough, as I want to spare people the disappointment of upgrading their rigs and still having this game run like shit.
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 04:58:43 pm
That's what I've began to think. Judging by how many people complain about low FPS when they have a decent system running.DF really requires a high-end PC with a fast processor.
What DF requires is a rewrite, as even on high-end PCs it doesn't necessarily run smoothly. I don't really want to start a long-winded discussion on this topic, I'm just giving you my two cents, namely that having a top-notch rig is not a surefire way of running this game at high framerates; I can't stress this enough, as I want to spare people the disappointment of upgrading their rigs and still having this game run like shit.
What baffled me is when I found out this game was still in ALPHA...
It seems pretty complete to me, then again I'm just an idiotic teenager playing a complicated game.
Post by: Cheddarius on January 31, 2010, 05:18:39 pm
When Dwarf Fortress leaves beta and becomes a full-fledged game, it will require hundreds of supercomputers to run and will perfectly simulate radioactive decay. This is how hardcore Toady is.
Post by: Hortun on January 31, 2010, 05:21:16 pm
Beta will be the game of the next century.Dwarf Fortress isn't in beta yet. It's still an alpha. :P
When Dwarf Fortress leaves beta and becomes a full-fledged game, it will require hundreds of supercomputers to run and will perfectly simulate radioactive decay. This is how hardcore Toady is.
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 05:28:36 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on January 31, 2010, 05:32:28 pm
Dwarf Fortress isn't in beta yet. It's still an alpha. :PYeah. When it becomes beta, it will be the game of the next century, see?
Also no team of coders can surpass Toady. If he needs more manpower he'll simply duplicate himself through sheer force of will.
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 05:47:31 pm
We need Toady to code a clone of himself into a computer...
Then instruct that clone to create other clones....
Then we can have an infinite number of Toady's to work on DF!!!
This game will be done in no time...
What language is the game coded in anyways?
Post by: jayseesee on January 31, 2010, 05:48:45 pm
/duck
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 05:58:37 pm
English.
/duck
I meant programming language....
/facepalm
Post by: Rat Of Wisdom on January 31, 2010, 07:02:22 pm
How do I encrust a menacing spike with gems? It's for one of my three special execution chambers, it needs to be practical (it's steel) but flashy. The only options the jeweler's workshop gives me are "Encrust furniture", "Encrust ammo" and "Encrust finished goods".
I haven't yet tried locking my legendary gem setter in a room with the workshop and the spike, but... it's not furniture, nor is it ammo, nor is it a finished good.
I r confus.
Post by: Urist McOverlord on January 31, 2010, 07:15:34 pm
Caged dragon. it was gonna be tamed into a WAR DRAGON OF ULTIMATE DOOM! MWAAHAHAHAHAA!
*ahem* but then we ran into a problem, wherin it killed a cow.
I know if it kills a dwarf it will become an enemy or whatever, and will never be tamable. ever. And I know that if it hasn't killed a dwarf, this is gonna be the most awesome fort ever.
So the question is: Does the cow count? can I still tame it, or will I need to do something else... like magma...
Post by: Cheddarius on January 31, 2010, 07:22:16 pm
Post by: Rat Of Wisdom on January 31, 2010, 07:26:05 pm
I got one. Caged dragon.
I always thought that this (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Trap_design#Dragonfire_Pillbox) was sort of an offhand "what if", aimed at mocking the sheer ridiculousness of the idea of catching a dragon (especially given the note saying "this has not been tested yet"), but you seem to have done it, and this idea is pretty elegant.
Code: [Select]
╔═╗ <- walls
║D║ <- dragon (build the cage, link to a lever and release when ready)
╬╬╬ <- fortifications
XXX <- floodgates (linked to lever)
___ <- channel
Something like this I imagine. Why tame when you can handle invaders and immigrants with the same beast?
Post by: Urist McOverlord on January 31, 2010, 07:32:38 pm
Post by: Rat Of Wisdom on January 31, 2010, 07:35:44 pm
Post by: Urist McOverlord on January 31, 2010, 07:38:53 pm
Post by: happydog23 on January 31, 2010, 07:41:26 pm
I got one.
Caged dragon. it was gonna be tamed into a WAR DRAGON OF ULTIMATE DOOM! MWAAHAHAHAHAA!
*ahem* but then we ran into a problem, wherin it killed a cow.
I know if it kills a dwarf it will become an enemy or whatever, and will never be tamable. ever. And I know that if it hasn't killed a dwarf, this is gonna be the most awesome fort ever.
So the question is: Does the cow count? can I still tame it, or will I need to do something else... like magma...
I forget where... it might be the facepalm thread.... But there was someone who caged a dragon. And tamed it. And used it to defend the fortress.
And yes, they'll use the breath weapon. And yes, the breath weapon is capable of friendly fire...(pun obviously not intentional).
So be careful if you do tame it. They will go after anything, and things will burn.
Post by: Rat Of Wisdom on January 31, 2010, 07:45:07 pm
Also, update on my quest to make a blingin' spike o' doom: did the solitary confinement trick, and it still doesn't work. Yet the "Unfortunate accident" article on the wiki clearly suggests a "nice masterwork steel spike encrusted with rubies". :-\
Post by: assimilateur on January 31, 2010, 07:54:54 pm
wiki clearly suggests a "nice masterwork steel spike encrusted with rubies".
Seems like whoever wrote that has been talking out of their ass. That sort of thing happens both here and on the wiki, so caveat emptor.
And I'm sorry to say, but apparently you aren't immune to this "talking out of one's ass" phenomenon either:
Or capture more dragons
Most of the time, you're lucky to see one dragon in a fort's lifetime. That sort of suggestion is unhelpful and unrealistic in that there apparently is little you can do to make more dragons show up.
Post by: kelumhi on January 31, 2010, 07:59:33 pm
is there any way to get my dwarfs to manually move water from A to B?
Post by: Urist McOverlord on January 31, 2010, 08:02:20 pm
Is there any way to fill buckets with water
is there any way to get my dwarfs to manually move water from A to B?
channel out the area you want filled, then use a pit/pond zone over the lip of it. (i + p) designate it as pond, and your dwarves will automatically fill it.
Or you could use a floodgate on your river to greatly reduce the chances of flooding your fort... emphasis on greatly reduce.
Post by: assimilateur on January 31, 2010, 08:05:52 pm
Is there any way to fill buckets with water
is there any way to get my dwarfs to manually move water from A to B?
ad.1. Buckets will get filled as needed, i.e. when you have a bedridden dwarf who's thirsty, someone will pick up a bucket, fill it with water and give it to the patient. I know of no way to store water in buckets beforehand.
ad.2. Designate a water source zone at point A (though I don't think that's a guarantee that they will use that water source, they might take water from wherever they please) and designate a pond zone over (as in, literally 1 level above) point B.
Post by: Steev on January 31, 2010, 08:33:03 pm
How long do moods last before they go berserk?
And I also don't have any metal bars, when I try to melt some they just disappear, I've smelted down both a copper and bronze pick in hopes of getting any bars, but there's no job to haul any metal bars to the Bar/Block stockpile, and when checking the building with (t) it only shows
obsidian (B)
The guy is gonna be my smith but he has no prior experience, but it's my second Autumn so I guess I could hold out until the Caravan arrives.
Post by: silhouette on January 31, 2010, 08:49:56 pm
e.g.
Code: [Select]
########
#......#
#......#
#......#
#......#
#......#
###DD###. = stockpile
d= door
# = wall
Make the stockpile food and only accept turtles, and make your main stockpile not allow turtles.
then actiave a dwarf and station it in the room, then unactivate it, once it gets hungry it should eat a turtle and taadaa...
Post by: happydog23 on January 31, 2010, 08:54:08 pm
Is there any way to fill buckets with water
is there any way to get my dwarfs to manually move water from A to B?
channel out the area you want filled, then use a pit/pond zone over the lip of it. (i + p) designate it as pond, and your dwarves will automatically fill it.
Or you could use a floodgate on your river to greatly reduce the chances of flooding your fort... emphasis on greatly reduce.
Notice that the emphasis is not on eliminate, but reduce. :-)
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 09:09:15 pm
I've just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood, they want turtle shells, wood, and metal bars, but the problem isn't that I don't have turtles, it's just that nobody is eating them, I've forbidden every other food except for the turtles but I'm not sure how long it will take until someone gets hungry, is there anyway to force them to eat?++[Enter]
How long do moods last before they go berserk?
And I also don't have any metal bars, when I try to melt some they just disappear, I've smelted down both a copper and bronze pick in hopes of getting any bars, but there's no job to haul any metal bars to the Bar/Block stockpile, and when checking the building with (t) it only shows
obsidian (B)
The guy is gonna be my smith but he has no prior experience, but it's my second Autumn so I guess I could hold out until the Caravan arrives.
Vertical bars. They require metal materials, so when you choose to build one it asks to know what material you want to use. So it lists all metal materials you have.
Post by: Skorpion on January 31, 2010, 09:10:09 pm
Searching for "encrust spike" gets me a bunch of "Your best artifact ever" threads so...
How do I encrust a menacing spike with gems? It's for one of my three special execution chambers, it needs to be practical (it's steel) but flashy. The only options the jeweler's workshop gives me are "Encrust furniture", "Encrust ammo" and "Encrust finished goods".
I haven't yet tried locking my legendary gem setter in a room with the workshop and the spike, but... it's not furniture, nor is it ammo, nor is it a finished good.
I r confus.
You can't. The wiki article in question is rated D for Dwarf, and should not be taken literally. Menacing spikes are weapons/trap components and not furniture.
Also, decorations are random, essentially. You might get spikes, or bands, or rings, or an image.
You can, however, stud it with metal.
Post by: NecroRebel on January 31, 2010, 09:22:23 pm
I've just had a dwarf taken by a secretive mood, they want turtle shells, wood, and metal bars, but the problem isn't that I don't have turtles, it's just that nobody is eating them, I've forbidden every other food except for the turtles but I'm not sure how long it will take until someone gets hungry, is there anyway to force them to eat?They don't necessarily go berserk; they'll go berserk, melancholy (which makes them simply move incredibly slowly and suicidal), or run around babbling (which makes them run around, throwing their clothes around until they're naked, then they continue to run around until they die of starvation/thirst/whatever). It usually takes about a month of idleness to make a mood fail and the dwarf go crazy.
How long do moods last before they go berserk?
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nd I also don't have any metal bars, when I try to melt some they just disappear, I've smelted down both a copper and bronze pick in hopes of getting any bars, but there's no job to haul any metal bars to the Bar/Block stockpile, and when checking the building with (t) it only showsThis behavior is due to how melting a metal object works. When you melt a metal object, it stores 1/10th of the item's material size in that smelter (which varies from item to item). When a full bar of a metal is producted, it shows up, but before that it is hidden.
So, the smelter in which you melted those two picks has 40% of a copper bar and 40% of a bronze bar stored in it. Melt 2 more picks of the appropriate metals at that smelter and you'll get a full bar. Note that I specify "at that smelter;" the stored material is not shared across different buildings, and is lost if you deconstruct the smelter. Incidentally, the wiki's article on melting gives a list of how much of a bar each item gives back when melted.
Post by: Garth on January 31, 2010, 09:38:23 pm
1. build granite wall
2. wall blocks placement for other granite wall
3. destroy first wall
4. build second
5. first cannot be re-built because of the leftover granite sitting there...
Whenever I designate this granite rock to be dumped, my dwarves step on top off it, then back off like it's forbidden, but it isn't...
What is the problem here?
Post by: kelumhi on January 31, 2010, 11:29:23 pm
Post by: assimilateur on January 31, 2010, 11:35:51 pm
Ok here's what's happened.
1. build granite wall
2. wall blocks placement for other granite wall
3. destroy first wall
4. build second
5. first cannot be re-built because of the leftover granite sitting there...
Whenever I designate this granite rock to be dumped, my dwarves step on top off it, then back off like it's forbidden, but it isn't...
What is the problem here?
From the sound of it, that rock might already be tasked by someone who's not currently on the job or something. It might also be some random bug, because it sure as hell looks like that whenever I have a similar problem. What I'd do is just cancel that wall, leave the rock designated for dumping, and wait. According to my experience, it will get moved eventually.
Post by: sproingie on February 01, 2010, 12:23:02 am
Post by: Skorpion on February 01, 2010, 12:26:29 am
Ok here's what's happened.
1. build granite wall
2. wall blocks placement for other granite wall
3. destroy first wall
4. build second
5. first cannot be re-built because of the leftover granite sitting there...
Whenever I designate this granite rock to be dumped, my dwarves step on top off it, then back off like it's forbidden, but it isn't...
What is the problem here?
Rock is tasked. Remove the dump designation, and it'll get used.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 01, 2010, 12:54:14 am
Edit: apparently not. I just left some raw and prepared turtle outside and they both took 34 days to produce shells.
Edit again, just for the hell of it: Same indoors, 34 days for both.
Post by: happydog23 on February 01, 2010, 01:31:02 am
Regarding shells, something I do when I want them NOW is to get them off a stockpile and forbid them (preferably outside, though I'm not sure if it makes any difference). They rot to bones and shell in short order. I'm pretty sure that I did get this to work in a fortress with no fishing set up beforehand. That was with raw turtles; I don't know if they rot more quickly than the prepared ones.
Edit: apparently not. I just left some raw and prepared turtle outside and they both took 34 days to produce shells.
I know my personal strategy is to embark with 10-15 shell bearing creatures, and then ensure that every caravan that comes departs without any shell bearing food.
I keep stockpiles that are shells only, and don't make anything that uses shells... they are specifically for moods. It's a little overkill, but I've never run out of shells since I started doing this.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 01, 2010, 01:48:03 am
Post by: Heliman on February 01, 2010, 02:05:54 pm
Post by: gopher dude on February 01, 2010, 03:15:40 pm
Another IMPORTANT question from this guy right here.
So I've tunneled my way to an underground pool I found and I set up some doors (for security purposes; keeping dwarfs and animals out of the pool when I don't want them) and I've set up a plethora of cage traps out in the hall. I have so far caught: two snakemen, and a frogman. Along with two goblins and a naked mole dog (one male, no hope for a breeding population
D: ).
MY QUESTIONS:
Will dwarfs still stop to admire my zoo, even though it is filled mostly with beastmen and two goblins?
Will more naked mole dogs migrate into my area? I really want to farm them.
I have a herd of camels outside, busy being camels. Can I tame them like regular animal? Or are camels considered "exotic"?
I have a few giant cave swallows flying around; they've torn up some of my dwarfs and one donkey actually. How can I catch a giant cave swallow?
I've noticed a few strange beastmen called cave swallowmen. I looked up their game data on the wiki and it says the have babies. Will my swallow beastmen have kids? Or are all beastmen bugged to not reproduce?
Post by: SethCreiyd on February 01, 2010, 04:52:42 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on February 01, 2010, 04:56:29 pm
How thick do my walls have to be to prevent vermin teleporting through it?The teleporting abilities of vermin cannot be stopped. Not even a hundred tiles of adamantium can stop them from getting through,..
Post by: happydog23 on February 01, 2010, 06:02:34 pm
How thick do my walls have to be to prevent vermin teleporting through it?The teleporting abilities of vermin cannot be stopped. Not even a hundred tiles of adamantium can stop them from getting through,..
But if you're extremely patient Martin was able to completely exterminate them on his map in the process of training Morul to legendary in dwarf.
Post by: DFPongo on February 01, 2010, 06:21:46 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 01, 2010, 06:32:54 pm
At most, this can cost 490 points at embark. (It takes 35 points to reach proficient in one skill, and it can be done twice for 70 per dwarf.)
To remove items to spend them on skills, you need to switch to the items portion of the 'prepare your embark carefully' screen, and hit '-' until the item disappears from the list.
Post by: Spong on February 01, 2010, 06:37:50 pm
edit: Ah, I figured it out, I hadn't set gather refuse from outside to 'on'.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 01, 2010, 06:59:17 pm
I'm having trouble with storing some stuff. I've set up a custom stockpile for bones, skulls and shells so that turtle shells and other useful bits from my Fisher's Workshop can be stored, there's a few bits in the stockpile already but i can still see a lot of these items outside my fort. There's room on the stockpile so I don't know why my dorfs aren't going and fetching them in. Some of them with hauler tags on are just milling around, I even tried designating the same area as a garbage dump and dump tagging each of the bones/shells outside that I wanted them to bring in, and allow dwarfs outside is on, but they still won't go fetch. Any ideas?I know exactly what is wrong.
In the (o)rders screen, there is the (r)efuse submenu. In that submenu, there will be a place labeled "Dwarves ignore refuse from outside." Hit the associated key, which I don't remember what it is at the moment, and it will switch to "Dwarves gather refuse from outside." That will fix your problem.
Post by: Spong on February 01, 2010, 07:02:32 pm
Post by: Steev on February 01, 2010, 07:03:25 pm
Post by: Rat Of Wisdom on February 01, 2010, 07:07:20 pm
Most of the time, you're lucky to see one dragon in a fort's lifetime. That sort of suggestion is unhelpful and unrealistic in that there apparently is little you can do to make more dragons show up.
Oooookay. Thanks for the clarification and all, but allow me to respectfully point out the big grinning smiley behind my suggestion of more dragons. Lighten up, plzkthx.
Also, if somehow you generate a world with a gratuitous megabeast population (don't ask me how you'd go about doing that, but this is DF, you know someone probably already has), chances are all of them will find you eventually as they can move and your fort can't. And unless I'm much mistaken, Nist Akath had more than one dragon (before the Captain started using Dwarf Companion even, I believe), but whatever, you can chalk that up to either the utility or to the place being a ruddy legend if you're disinclined to believe it.
You can't. The wiki article in question is rated D for Dwarf, and should not be taken literally.
Hmm. Well, thanks for clearing that up. You'd think the made-up bits would have fairly little overlap with bits describing actual gameplay mechanics though. Oh well, according to the decorations article you can decorate repeatedly as long as you use different materials so that'll have to do.
How do I get my military dwarfs to wear things like Steel Helms or Steel Boots?
First, forbid all your armor from the Z-stocks menu. Then, order them to wear cloth armor, watch them to make sure they take off everything and forbid each piece as it comes off. Then pause, order the squad to the desired armor level, unforbid exactly those pieces of armor you want (it might help to do so with exactly enough for the entire squad, no more and no less) and unpause. They should head straight for the stockpiles and don the gear you want them to.
Or are all beastmen bugged to not reproduce?
If this is true, Toady needs to implement mecha. WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK WE ARE? =D
Post by: assimilateur on February 01, 2010, 07:39:13 pm
Thanks for the clarification and all, but allow me to respectfully point out the big grinning smiley behind my suggestion of more dragons. Lighten up, plzkthx.
See, I didn't imply that you didn't know any better, just that you gave advice that wasn't fully thought-through and would be liable to misinform the reader who wasn't aware of you jesting. Your usage of a smiley face could have been an indication of your jocular intent, I'll give you that, but it's not entirely clear for the reader who's come to expect being inundated in meaningless smileys.
Also, if somehow you generate a world with a gratuitous megabeast population (don't ask me how you'd go about doing that, but this is DF, you know someone probably already has), chances are all of them will find you eventually as they can move and your fort can't.
The dragon population in my last world looks like it's several times higher than normal, if the caves with several (as opposed to just one) dragons are any indication, but I have yet to see one dragon in 11 or 12 years of playing my latest fort. I suppose I will see a dragon or two if I wait long enough (though I'm more likely to abandon in the next couple of years), all I'm saying is that increasing their population doesn't appear to be a reliable way of seeing more of them in fortress mode.
Or are all beastmen bugged to not reproduce?
I don't know if they're bugged per se, they might be working as designed. I know I've gotten some creatures (or at least one I remember off-hand, namely unicorns) to reproduce by just adding the appropriate child-related tags to them, so that might (or might not) work on monstrous humanoids.
Post by: Urist McOverlord on February 01, 2010, 09:46:00 pm
Post by: Garth on February 01, 2010, 10:16:16 pm
So this time I took a more planned approach.
However, I think I chose a bad embark location. I'm on the edge of the mountains, an easy 3/4 of the map is flat land though with a river going through it.
I've already had a trading caravan and an elf caravan just arrived. Yet no migrants, which I desperately need...
Is it because I'm near the mountains that I'm getting no migrants? Or do I need to just give it more time?
Post by: Urist McOverlord on February 01, 2010, 10:17:39 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 01, 2010, 10:30:00 pm
I'm on the edge of the mountains, an easy 3/4 of the map is flat land though with a river going through it.
I've been playing on a map with 150z levels. I like flat maps much more now than I used to because I've learned that I can get all the metals I want from the orcs, and its a huge pain in the rear to track and kill all the invaders on a map with 100z levels. You can never see or find more than 1 or 2 of them at a time. And it is guaranteed that your traders will die on top of the 100z mountain to ensure that your entire fortress takes off running to the top of the mountain to get the equipment.
In the next version when you can specify how much "air" and how much "ground" there is, I might never embark on an extremely hilly map again... The only reason I get mountain tiles at all now are for HFS and undergorund water. Luckily on my current map I only have about 5 levels of "hill" and they are mostly located on one corner of the map.
Post by: Garth on February 01, 2010, 10:31:43 pm
I'm fine...for now, migrants are the only thing that's lacking...
Post by: DFPongo on February 01, 2010, 10:41:10 pm
Thanks
Post by: jayseesee on February 01, 2010, 10:48:07 pm
Post by: geoduck on February 02, 2010, 04:12:48 am
DFPongo: One stockpile for skulls/bones/shells that is subterranean, and then designate your "smelly" refuse pit to not take those items.
Although if you put the refuse pile in its own room with a door, the resulting miasma really doesn't spread around that much; an airlock arrangement cuts it down even further. I always do this anymore, since it's one less reason for dwarfs to go outside and get attacked. (Or one less thing for me to do, building a walled outdoor dumping pit..) Dwarfs will be exposed to the miasma when they dump stuff, but a waterfall and statue garden will keep everyone quite happy.
Post by: jayseesee on February 02, 2010, 06:04:34 am
Post by: Blailus on February 02, 2010, 11:58:09 am
Also, Post Count = 1. Yey!
Post by: Skorpion on February 02, 2010, 01:30:47 pm
Post by: DFPongo on February 02, 2010, 01:55:13 pm
will noise travel down one level to bother dwarves that are sleeping 1 level bellow my workshops?Will it become unstable?
I set my dwarf max to 20, was generous to the traders, and in my second season of potential imigrants I got 13!.
Some craftsmen that I was missing so thats good. Lots of bed rooms needed though.
Post by: Quantum Toast on February 02, 2010, 02:11:25 pm
will noise travel down one level to bother dwarves that are sleeping 1 level bellow my workshops?Yes. Noise goes as many z-levels vertically as it does tiles horizontally.
Post by: Spong on February 02, 2010, 02:19:48 pm
I seem to be getting miasma appearing where there is no refuse of any kind and there are no miasma producing industries or workshops nearby. Seems very random, almost wonder if my stonecrafters are letting rip as they work. ;D
Post by: assimilateur on February 02, 2010, 02:54:26 pm
Do you have cats? They will kill vermin and show the remains to their owners. Those will then get dumped or hauled to a refuse pile (assuming you got one that accepts remains), but at times the dwarves might not do that quick enough before they stink up the fortress.
Also, I've been seeing underground olms die in my fortress, for reasons that could only have been cave spider-related.
Post by: Blailus on February 02, 2010, 02:57:16 pm
I've procured a mod from somewhere, that allows you to set which (out of every type possible) type of stones are economic or not, and it has the horrible side effect of pausing+zooming everytime I hit anything that isn't an entire floor big. As I'm getting tired of the "You've struck microcline!" and other such stone announcements, does anyone know of a way to fix this, while preserving the ability to set any type of stone as economic? I don't mind if it never tells me what I've found.So is there another mod that stops the zooming and pausing? I don't mind the alerts themselves, but when you're doing mass exploratory digging I'd prefer it not to stop every 5 seconds.
Also, Post Count = 1. Yey!That's not the stone control mod's doing. Basic DF does that.
Post by: DFPongo on February 02, 2010, 03:15:45 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 02, 2010, 03:17:28 pm
I bought two cats from the elves, how do I let them out of the cages?
I think you have to build the cages, then select them via q and unassign the animals.
Post by: Spong on February 02, 2010, 04:27:43 pm
Ok so I've established a good way to create outdoor moats or reservoirs from rivers on the surface - my question now though is what is a good (read: safe) way of tapping into a river either through a wall/cliff as it runs past a hill/mountain or from underneath, or indeed from an underground river?
Another question:
If I have a series of large corridors directly on top of each other along the z-axis will they collapse? I mean should I leave a whole z-level between each corridor layer?
like so:
(side view)
===== top corridor
===== middle corridor
===== bottom corrior
ad infinitum
or is it preferable to do:
===== top corridor
#### un-mined layer
===== middle corridor
#### un-mined layer
===== bottom corridor
Post by: Liokaizer on February 02, 2010, 04:36:43 pm
Post by: DFPongo on February 02, 2010, 04:38:42 pm
And the devs want to know what the challenges are to learning the game.
LOL
Post by: Skorpion on February 02, 2010, 05:40:07 pm
It'll be pulled from the cage straight to the butcher's shop, then turned into useful resources rather than a miasma-causing FPS-hogging pest.
Post by: Garth on February 02, 2010, 06:05:30 pm
I have a huge granite stockpile right next to his workshop.
Yet he goes down 3 z levels and away a bit to my mining level to get some granite..
How to I keep him to go to the closer stockpile?
He's wasting to much time going farther away just for one rock...
Post by: Cheddarius on February 02, 2010, 06:51:50 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 02, 2010, 08:56:54 pm
will noise travel down one level to bother dwarves that are sleeping 1 level bellow my workshops?Yes. Noise goes as many z-levels vertically as it does tiles horizontally.
I don't know for sure but the wiki article on noise (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Noise) claims that Toady has confirmed that workshops do not currently make noise. They don't like to where that is confirmed but take it with a grain of salt either way.
Post by: gopher dude on February 03, 2010, 12:14:45 am
Is this true?
Will any elf caravans have the potential to sell me interesting animals?
Or will I always have to just settle for buying boring animals?
Post by: NecroRebel on February 03, 2010, 12:32:20 am
So I red in the dwarf wiki that Elves will sometimes have caravans with exotic animals for sale.Yes, with the caveat that they will only ever have animals from the regions around their forest retreats. This can mean that they can occasionally bring, for example, wonderful unicorns... But it also might mean that they have nothing but common deer, foxes, and groundhogs.
Is this true?
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Will any elf caravans have the potential to sell me interesting animals?Any elven caravan might bring exotic animals, but since elves do not send trade liaisons, you can't make it certain. Also, if the elves have to cross very cold or very hot terrain, all of the animals they bring can die en route, meaning it's impossible for you to get animals at all if that is the case. Further, since elves do not use wagons, they do not carry very much stuff, and load up on cloth first, so they don't bring animals at all if they like you.
Or will I always have to just settle for buying boring animals?
In almost all cases, unless you mod elves to send liaisons, use wagons, or both, you're probably never going to get a breeding pair of any interesting animal. Besides that, for the most part dogs are the best combat animal, and cows and camels the best food and other product animals, so exotic beasts really aren't all that special.
For some reason my Mason appears to be a complete dolt.Dwarves are more or less idiots about this. See, dwarves consider z-distances to be as long as x/y distances. So, a stone 3 z-levels directly below the workshop and then 5 squares away is thought to be 8 squares away from the dwarf when it seeks materials, so the dwarf will go for it if there's nothing closer than 8 tiles away. This even happens if the dwarf has to walk thousands of squares to get to that "closest" stone.
I have a huge granite stockpile right next to his workshop.
Yet he goes down 3 z levels and away a bit to my mining level to get some granite..
How to I keep him to go to the closer stockpile?
He's wasting to much time going farther away just for one rock...
The way to stop this is to make sure that the areas directly above and below the workshop are clear of stone or inaccessible altogether. This, of course, is not very useful in most cases. The thing to do, really, is to take advantage of this behavior. That is, put your input stockpile directly above or below your workshop and have a handy staircase near the workshop so your dwarf actually goes to the stockpile and uses the material you want it to. That, or seal your worker in a room with the material you want and workshop.
This will (hopefully) not be an issue once the new version comes out due to the introduction of "Burrows." Burrows will apparently limit the area where a dwarf will seek for materials, so you could presumably make a burrow such that the dwarf will only seek materials in your desired material stockpile. For now, though, there's really no good way of doing what you want, and this makes all of us sad pandas.
Post by: Skorpion on February 03, 2010, 12:43:24 am
So I red in the dwarf wiki that Elves will sometimes have caravans with exotic animals for sale.
Is this true?
Will any elf caravans have the potential to sell me interesting animals?
Or will I always have to just settle for buying boring animals?
It's a crapshoot. If they can bring it to you, they have to be gently tickled into it by siezing bins of cloth or just outright killing the lot, and minimizing their profits when you do deign to trade.
If they get too happy with you, they bring nothing but bins of cloth because they load up on bins first.
Post by: Steev on February 03, 2010, 01:25:03 am
What do I do with all this stuff? I took the various shields and weapons, but what am I supposed to do with all this narrow iron stuff and various clothing. I know I can melt it but after a run in with a Fire Man, I've decided against a Magma Forge. And the corpses, what do I do with the various amputated limbs and bodies?
Do the caravans care if I strip the escorts of all there lovely steel items?
And why was there a Goblin wearing chain leggings worth 2890 Dwarfbucks running around with the ambush? He was slightly faster than the escort so he got away, but why did he have such valuable leggings?
Post by: Sutremaine on February 03, 2010, 01:28:06 am
Ok so I've established a good way to create outdoor moats or reservoirs from rivers on the surface - my question now though is what is a good (read: safe) way of tapping into a river either through a wall/cliff as it runs past a hill/mountain or from underneath, or indeed from an underground river?For an above-ground river surrounded by walls, mine out the walls on the river's surface level and treat it like a normal river.
To tap into a river from underneath, you need to dig a ramp up into the water and have a grated channel to stop your miner being swept away and drowned.
To tap into a cave river, you can either dig into the chasm drop and snatch the water as it goes by (just tried this myself... didn't fancy tangling with a pageful of skeletal river monsters), or... I don't know any other non-destructive methods. Dropping the ceiling on the river (except for the water-generating tiles) will render the river safe enough.
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If I have a series of large corridors directly on top of each other along the z-axis will they collapse? I mean should I leave a whole z-level between each corridor layer?No, dig out as many as you like. It can be assumed for the moment that dwarves leave sufficient rock between levels to stop these sorts of collapses. This might change in the next version.
Post by: Spong on February 03, 2010, 05:45:52 am
One other thing - is it possible to 'replace' dug staircases with constructed ones in any way? I've got a few which are claystone but now I've got some Obsidian I'd really rather build them out of that.
edit:Another question: if I allocate a zone of two tiles on the edge of a brook as a fishing area and have set dorfs to only zone fish will that help control overfishing? I mean will they only pull fish from those two squares so the ones who stay away won't get caught and can repopulate the brook?
One more: If I have four fields and I set each one to only one crop in only one season, but each field is allocated a different season, does the time that a field is left fallow give any benefit to fertility and/or crop yield?
So I mean:
Field 1: Set to a crop for summer - all other seasons fallow
Field 2 set to a crop for spring - all other seasons fallow
Field 3 set to a crop for winter - all other seasons fallow
Field 4 set to a crop for autumn - - all other seasons fallow
I think in real life if you leave a field fallow every now and then its supposed to be good for the soil or something - does this happen in DF?
Post by: happydog23 on February 03, 2010, 10:54:23 am
If I build jails that are 3 levels tall like:
Code: [Select]
Z-0 z+1 z-1
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX
X+++X X+++X X+++X
XS++X XS++X XS++X
X+++X X+++X X+++X
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX
X is a wall, S is stairs and the restraint would be in the center of z-0.... could the dwarves access all of that space?
Also, if you put a workshop so that 6 of the 9 squares were accessible to the dwarf, would he be able to use it while in jail?
Post by: Spong on February 03, 2010, 12:09:27 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
on that basis I'd say that yes your idea should work, you can also setup stockpiles in the 'cell' to supply him with food, booze and resources to craft with, a bed is also a good idea. This page talks about happy prisoners and 'rehabilitation': http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Jail (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Jail)
Post by: gopher dude on February 03, 2010, 12:26:48 pm
My question is:
I've never encountered any of these fish before, do they spawn randomly in areas? Do I need a certain level of savagery? Or what's the deal?
Do they appear in lakes? etc?
Another bonus question:
If I build my fort near an ocean will I be exposed to sharks, whales, and other seaside related fun?
Post by: Jack_Bread on February 03, 2010, 12:51:39 pm
2)Yes, but they won't do anything since they don't usually leave the water.
EDIT:
By the way, chained animals can only walk in a 3x3x3 cube, right?
Post by: geoduck on February 03, 2010, 02:25:26 pm
1)Carp/Gar/Pike only appear in rivers and lakes.
2)Yes, but they won't do anything since they don't usually leave the water.
As long as they aren't zombies or skeletal.
Post by: Flaede on February 03, 2010, 03:31:22 pm
interestingly enough, you can create a ramp up to the MIDDLE of certain workshops by removing a visible floor tile after they are constructed. Kennels, for instance, do this. if you then buld a ramp below... it should work. I know it works for going UP (Though perhaps not down)
my question: can prisoners do tasks that do not require actually going into the workshop? (the only 2 I can think of are collecting sand and training vermin)
Post by: Jack_Bread on February 03, 2010, 04:05:12 pm
Post by: Garth on February 03, 2010, 04:17:39 pm
I have a refuse pile one z level above the entrance to my fort, so it's plenty close.
I did however take note of the fact that with my first group of migrants I got a LOT of animals...
Now, I'm lacking a place for these animals to go other than the meeting room..Where should I keep them? And are they the cause of the miasma?
The miasma reach my main stairwell and has spread to my farms, my barracks, workshops, EVERYWHERE.
How do I track down what the stuff is and where it's coming from and remove it?
Post by: Flaede on February 03, 2010, 04:32:43 pm
I would check your stock screen for purpled out items of the above types. often they will be listed as "rotting". within that list you can list them for dumping - then if you designate a trash pit they will eventually be moved there. I think there's a way to automatically designate rotting crud for dumping, but I can't for the life of me remember how.
Miasma goes away (Except with the zombies), eventually, but you can't really function well while it's clouding everything up. That's your punishment for not dealing with the problem ahead of time. The game's a little unforgiving with miasma. and smoke. and steam.
Post by: Garth on February 03, 2010, 04:49:40 pm
miasma is rotting stuff. so rotting food, rotting meat, rotting untanned skin, dead vermin, dead fish, dead bodies, dead babies, severed limbs, severed "bits", zombies...It appears that my kittens are dragging in bones, or remains rather. Of anything...
I would check your stock screen for purpled out items of the above types. often they will be listed as "rotting". within that list you can list them for dumping - then if you designate a trash pit they will eventually be moved there. I think there's a way to automatically designate rotting crud for dumping, but I can't for the life of me remember how.
Miasma goes away (Except with the zombies), eventually, but you can't really function well while it's clouding everything up. That's your punishment for not dealing with the problem ahead of time. The game's a little unforgiving with miasma. and smoke. and steam.
I assume they kill things and take them to their owners as a gift of sorts like any cat in the real world does?
How do I stop them from doing this? Kill the cat?
Post by: Spong on February 03, 2010, 05:00:46 pm
As a cat owner in real life I can never bring myself to kill them in DF, silly I know. I can be very mean to dorfs, goblins, ratmen etc. though :P - as my 'This is Sparta' lava pit and bear pit will testify.
* interestingly this makes sense from a realism perspective too as in real life bulls get slaughtered for beef except for a stud for breeding - the cows make milk and produce calves, likewise male dogs are more often used for guard duty/warfare as they are more aggressive etc.
edit: on the subject of breeding animals I just had the weirdest thing happen - I have a female horse and a male donkey, all of a sudden my horse gives birth to a horse foal, this is odd, I have no other horses, I check the units screen and there are no other horses on the map (i know that animals don't have to be near each other to breed). Could the donkey have bred with the horse? If so why is it not a mule instead of a horse foal?
Post by: Garth on February 03, 2010, 05:34:03 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on February 03, 2010, 05:37:42 pm
Seeing as I'm a noob at this game, I see it suit to ask this question: What workshop builds cages and how do I designate animals to belong within them?Several. Carpenter's workshops can be used to make wood cages, glass furnaces for terrariums (which work like cages, and can be filled with water to make aquariums for sea creatures), and forges for metal cages.
To put an animal in a cage, you must first place it (b-j). Then, once it is built, scroll over it in the q building selection screen, hit a, and there'll be a list of all of your animals and you can tell your dwarves to put any number of animals in the cage. You can then deconstruct the cage once the animals are in it to get it out of the way.
Post by: Spong on February 03, 2010, 05:39:53 pm
One other thing - its worth having a few caged animals around that your dorfs like because it will let them be comforted by them and give happy thought, conversely a cage with an animal they detest will put them in a foul mood.
Post by: jayseesee on February 03, 2010, 06:03:56 pm
edit: on the subject of breeding animals I just had the weirdest thing happen - I have a female horse and a male donkey, all of a sudden my horse gives birth to a horse foal, this is odd, I have no other horses, I check the units screen and there are no other horses on the map (i know that animals don't have to be near each other to breed). Could the donkey have bred with the horse? If so why is it not a mule instead of a horse foal?
What happened is that a merchant brought a male horse and he spored the air and got your little pony preggers.
Post by: Jack_Bread on February 03, 2010, 08:49:57 pm
2)
Can zombie/skeletal fire imps still fire fireballs?
Post by: jayseesee on February 03, 2010, 09:15:14 pm
1) Do magma buildings need magma directly below them?
2)Can zombie/skeletal fire imps still fire fireballs?
1, Yes, in one of the 8 tiles around the border of the center of the workshop.
2, No clue.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 03, 2010, 09:18:56 pm
One other thing - is it possible to 'replace' dug staircases with constructed ones in any way? I've got a few which are claystone but now I've got some Obsidian I'd really rather build them out of that.Channel out the down stairs and use d - z on the up stairs. If you dig out both of them at once, the up stair needs to be rebuilt first as dwarves won't build a down stair over open space. This will change in the next version (woohoo!), but only until rope ladders are working properly.
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Another question: if I allocate a zone of two tiles on the edge of a brook as a fishing area and have set dorfs to only zone fish will that help control overfishing? I mean will they only pull fish from those two squares so the ones who stay away won't get caught and can repopulate the brook?No idea, sorry.
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If I have four fields and I set each one to only one crop in only one season, but each field is allocated a different season, does the time that a field is left fallow give any benefit to fertility and/or crop yield?Not a bit. Plant as much as you like.
2)Can zombie/skeletal fire imps still fire fireballs?Very much so. (http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Headshoots/Update%2001/index.html)
Post by: Jack_Bread on February 03, 2010, 09:34:50 pm
Would I be able to fill a z-level with magma without the magma draining back into the pipe?
Post by: jayseesee on February 03, 2010, 09:41:10 pm
Thanks. :)
Would I be able to fill a z-level with magma without the magma draining back into the pipe?
Yes. It will take a LONG time as magma diffuses as opposed to being pressurized. And pipes refill semi-slowly. Will not work with a pool.
Post by: DFPongo on February 03, 2010, 09:54:02 pm
Or is that set in the initial game generation and thats it?
Post by: Garth on February 03, 2010, 09:55:50 pm
I don't have the slightest clue what they requested of me, or when they're returning.
Should I just write it down in some notepad file from now on?
Post by: jayseesee on February 03, 2010, 10:13:41 pm
I set my game to 20 dwarfs and the first chance I got 13 new ones and that kind of overwhelmed me. Can I inch it up in the INI file? Make it 10 till I get comfortable and then up to 14 kind of thing.Yes, but when it sends some, it sends a full wave, so if you were wanting 3, it could send a full 24 if you get bad (good?) luck. But you can use a program like tweak to set your starting dwarves to 10, and set your INI to give you a 0 max pop. You will never get immigrants until you change the INI after that.
Or is that set in the initial game generation and thats it?
How do I check what past liasons have asked me for?Hit C, then pick whichever civilization it is (most likely dwarf), then tab until it shows what it wants. Alternatively, screenshot and past to paint when they tell you what they want.
I don't have the slightest clue what they requested of me, or when they're returning.
Should I just write it down in some notepad file from now on?
Post by: Garth on February 03, 2010, 10:40:03 pm
Sorry if I'm asking to many questions, I've got the basics of the game understood but don't feel like watching hours of video to find little things I want to know...
I have this idiot now sitting in a craftdwarf shop....He's possesed by a strange mood as usual, but he's sitting in the shop screaming "I must have wood logs!!"
There's wood logs in the room next to him....
And none of my carpenters currently have assignments but to dump the rocks from bedrooms...
How can he not see the rocks? I don't want this guy going insane and murdering his friends :(
Post by: Jack_Bread on February 03, 2010, 10:41:46 pm
Post by: Garth on February 03, 2010, 10:54:29 pm
Moody dwarves collect materials in order. Is he only asking for logs? Or is there something else?Right after posting I realized he needed metal bars...
All I have is silver ore...
Post by: Jack_Bread on February 03, 2010, 10:56:03 pm
Post by: Garth on February 03, 2010, 11:08:04 pm
Then smelt them. You need a wood furnace for charcoal and a smelter to smelt them.Well I know that, I've already got two metalsmith's smelting the only to ores at my disposal set to repeat in hopes of getting that guy some bars before he goes beserk and screws over everyone in my fortress...
Post by: sproingie on February 03, 2010, 11:21:47 pm
Post by: DFPongo on February 04, 2010, 12:12:26 am
Post by: Steev on February 04, 2010, 12:37:24 am
Post by: LoneJedi7 on February 04, 2010, 01:39:55 am
Post by: Skorpion on February 04, 2010, 01:51:37 am
how can disarm my goblins trapped in cage traps without releasing the gobblins into my fort?
Mass-dump their clothing and armour and weapons. Just mass-dump the cage, then deselect the dump on the cage itself.
Unless you WANT them to be thrown on the trash heap along with their gear.
Post by: Stabwound on February 04, 2010, 01:52:56 am
Post by: NecroRebel on February 04, 2010, 01:57:04 am
What does a moderate injury to the spinal cord do besides stop them from sparring? Are they still fit to serve on the front lines?It... makes them more vulnerable to future spinal injuries, but those are fairly uncommon anyway. Generally, spinal-injured heroes and champions are only good for on the front lines, and usually do just fine there.
Is there a way to clear out a specific area of rocks, say, in a newly dug out room?Designate the stones in the place you want cleared for dumping, and have a dump zone someplace. People will come along and take the stones to the dump zone, where they will be forbidden (but you can reclaim them freely).
Use mass item designations (d-b-d for dumping) for an easier time at doing this. If you're just doing it for aesthetic reasons, consider hiding (d-b-h) them instead; you won't see them, but the dwarves will still use them.
Post by: Spong on February 04, 2010, 12:16:29 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 04, 2010, 12:44:28 pm
Generally, spinal-injured heroes and champions are only good for on the front lines, and usually do just fine there.
If one can spare the dwarfpower, it may be sensible to train up those spine-(or brain-)injured dwarves in the use of crossbows. At least, that's what I would do, but my usual insistence on having multiple-legendary (wrestling, armor, shield, melee weapon) champions might be going over the top.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 04, 2010, 02:50:54 pm
I was under the impression that if you build a wall, fortification, floor or staircase out of stone it will be 'rough', but if you build it out of stone blocks it will be of higher quality - however, when I do this and highlight the construction it says its a 'rough (name of stone) block staircase'. I thought that crafted blocks have no quality modifier so do not affect the quality of the construction, also I know constructions cannot be smoothed. How can I produce higher quality constructions? Is it the architect dorf's skill that affects it?A block staircase says '[stone] block up/down staircase' when k'd over. If it says 'rough [stone] block up/down staircase' then you selected the wrong thing off the materials list.
Constructions are only ever as good as the blocks that comprise them, as architecture is not required to construct them. If you have flux or obsidian as a layer stone, use those. Flux stone has a value of 2 and obsidian 3, compared to 1 for every stone that isn't an ore.
(I'd really love the option to engrave block stone walls (or even the stone blocks themselves), as it would provide a better incentive to make rock blocks. Right now they're kind of useless -- they're worth a little more than plain rocks and you gain the ability to store them in bins and to make asheries and screwpumps, but there's nothing else you can do with them.)
Post by: Stabwound on February 04, 2010, 04:02:06 pm
edit: Actually, I figured it out myself, by putting another construction project on the other side so he wouldn't go there. Is there a better non-gimmicky way to do this though?
Post by: Loyal on February 04, 2010, 04:15:29 pm
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Post by: Sutremaine on February 04, 2010, 04:25:23 pm
Post by: Odd!x on February 04, 2010, 05:39:02 pm
(I'd really love the option to engrave block stone walls (or even the stone blocks themselves), as it would provide a better incentive to make rock blocks. Right now they're kind of useless -- they're worth a little more than plain rocks and you gain the ability to store them in bins and to make asheries and screwpumps, but there's nothing else you can do with them.)
I too would like to see the option for engraving blocks; strip mining would be less detrimental to the value of your fortress and you could take control of exactly where you want those long, tantalizing veins of precious ore to be used (native gold dining rooms with various inscriptions regarding cheese and dwarves travelling, anyone?)
though as they are, I have to disagree with you regarding their use. How else are you supposed to make sculptures many z-levels high into the air that are not made of fugly, raw rocks? not to mention they can immensely help your masons train, as a block made from a legendary is completely identical to one made by a dabbler; there is no quality difference.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 04, 2010, 06:19:49 pm
Though as they are, I have to disagree with you regarding their use. How else are you supposed to make sculptures many z-levels high into the air that are not made of fugly, raw rocks? not to mention they can immensely help your masons train, as a block made from a legendary is completely identical to one made by a dabbler; there is no quality difference.1. Cast obsidian.
2. Do trained masons build or destroy constructions quicker than untrained ones? I honestly can't remember, but the wiki is silent on the matter and I'm sure I would have checked it out at some point. I don't think skill affects speed...
Generally I keep a handful of skilled masons and restrict the workshops so that only they make things, and the masonry labour is then enabled on a good chunk of the hauler population. I'd also rather have extra mechanics than extra masons, since untrained mechanics are so slow compared with other professions.
Post by: Odd!x on February 04, 2010, 06:44:40 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 04, 2010, 06:49:37 pm
I don't understand what you meant by 'cast obsidian,' but I do know that removing constructions is not a mason's specified skill since I've seen farmers, peasants, and basically any dorf wander along walk up and tear down the offending construction. I'm not sure if anything dictates the speed they tear it down.
What she means by cast obsidian is to build a mold out of blocks/rocks and then pump magma in to it and then drop water in to it. You get engrave-able obsidian as a result. It is a lot of work, but then you can engrave it.
EDIT: Sutremaine is not a he. And She will put magma in your coffee if you aren't careful about that.
Post by: Odd!x on February 04, 2010, 07:52:38 pm
question: how do you get rid of water that just won't go away?
here's the situation: an open magma pipe was causing me no end of worry and a nasty imp set fire to... well all of the grass no less than 4 times and killed 2 dwarves. Understandably I was displeased, and deigned to seal up the damn hellmouth with water. It took a lot of time and construction of aqueducts, but I eventually succeeded in blocking the whole thing off.
here's the problem
I have no idea why, but my area is under a constant MONSOON-TSUNAMI-TORRENTIAL downpour; the worst sort of virtual storm I've ever seen, I'm talking water all fucking year coming down in endless buckets. the enormous mire of water I pumped onto the pipe has taken up permanent residence on my map, never evaporating or getting any larger because rain keeps on fucking coming down like it's time for Urist McNoah to build an ark.
I've considered building an enormous roof over the mire I've created and just waiting it out until it evaporates. Any other thoughts?
Post by: Sutremaine on February 04, 2010, 08:03:52 pm
About the destruction of buildings-- I mention that because masonry skill might affect it. Something does, anyway. I have a king around who's always last off the deconstruction site even when everyone rushes there all at once.
btw, I'm a she.
Post by: Skorpion on February 04, 2010, 08:13:15 pm
that's just fucking brilliant!
question: how do you get rid of water that just won't go away?
here's the situation: an open magma pipe was causing me no end of worry and a nasty imp set fire to... well all of the grass no less than 4 times and killed 2 dwarves. Understandably I was displeased, and deigned to seal up the damn hellmouth with water. It took a lot of time and construction of aqueducts, but I eventually succeeded in blocking the whole thing off.
here's the problem
I have no idea why, but my area is under a constant MONSOON-TSUNAMI-TORRENTIAL downpour; the worst sort of virtual storm I've ever seen, I'm talking water all fucking year coming down in endless buckets. the enormous mire of water I pumped onto the pipe has taken up permanent residence on my map, never evaporating or getting any larger because rain keeps on fucking coming down like it's time for Urist McNoah to build an ark.
I've considered building an enormous roof over the mire I've created and just waiting it out until it evaporates. Any other thoughts?
Dwarven holepunch. Use a tile of floor balanced on a support in conjunction with a dug cavern. Use the floor tile to punch a hole into the cavern, where the water will flow.
After that, you can do whatever you want with the stuff. If you have a bottomless pit, that's ideal. Pour it all in there.
Post by: happydog23 on February 04, 2010, 08:13:40 pm
btw, I'm a she.
My previous post is fixed and all sarcasm in my edit aside, I do apologize for that typo.
In other news, I have a spoilered type question relating to Kings and Cotton Candy....
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sutremaine on February 04, 2010, 08:27:15 pm
My previous post is fixed and all sarcasm in my edit aside, I do apologize for that typo.Hee, nice edit. I don't really mind, it's just that if I'm going to stick around somewhere I'd rather... I dunno, avoid potential misunderstandings. Also, this forum doesn't have a sexist tone, so I'm fine with being known as female.
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In other news, I have a spoilered type question relating to Kings and Cotton Candy....It's the announcement that seems to do it. You can break into the ### and still have them turn up.
Post by: Odd!x on February 04, 2010, 08:40:09 pm
wouldn't channeling a tile have the same effect? I admit it's less dwarvenly to not involve constructions smashing into things, but it's far more practical to channel things.
at any rate, the problem with diverting the the water anywhere (including downward) is that it's 1/7 and each square of water keeps to itself, but is prevented from evaporating because water keeps pouring onto it from the rain.
Post by: Flaede on February 04, 2010, 08:47:13 pm
at any rate, the problem with diverting the the water anywhere (including downward) is that it's 1/7 and each square of water keeps to itself, but is prevented from evaporating because water keeps pouring onto it from the rain.
Rain only refills muddy pools.
It may stop water from evaporating (I don't know), but unless your problem is inside a muddy pool, then the rain won't actually add water-content.
Post by: Garth on February 04, 2010, 08:52:17 pm
It cuts off in the side bar thing...
Where do I get (I'm assuming) plant fiber cloth?
Post by: jayseesee on February 04, 2010, 08:55:47 pm
Post by: Garth on February 04, 2010, 09:00:07 pm
Yes. Make pig tail cloth or the like, not silk. He wants cloth that has been loomed, thread won't do.And what workshop and materials does that require?
Post by: BlueFireLady on February 04, 2010, 09:00:31 pm
Post by: Stabwound on February 04, 2010, 09:03:02 pm
When you get an error message that doesn't automatically zoom you to the spot it's at, is there a way to do that manually? I have about 100 messages in a row about not being able to store a corpse in a casket, but I have no idea where this corpse is.
Post by: Flaede on February 04, 2010, 09:05:40 pm
Yes. Make pig tail cloth or the like, not silk. He wants cloth that has been loomed, thread won't do.And what workshop and materials does that require?
for plants:
farm plants in a farm -> grow pig-tails
have pig-tail only stockpile
get threads from grown and harvested pig tails at Farmer's Workshop
spin thread into cloth at loom (this can be set to automatically happen)
watch out, looms can cause spider-web harvesting sprees on certain maps. sometimes this can cause Fun.
Post by: BlueFireLady on February 04, 2010, 09:06:15 pm
Post by: Odd!x on February 04, 2010, 09:10:46 pm
http://s982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/oddix/random%20pictures/?action-view¤t=221-spr.jpg (http://s982.photobucket.com/albums/ae307/oddix/random%20pictures/?action-view¤t=221-spr.jpg)
the first picture is autumn in 221. the second is spring in 221.
I live in a fucking wet place. all of my dwarves are always wet. we haven't seen the sun since we embarked.
Post by: Spong on February 04, 2010, 09:44:36 pm
Post by: BlueFireLady on February 04, 2010, 09:53:06 pm
Post by: Urist McOverlord on February 04, 2010, 09:55:13 pm
I have CAPTURED a SKELETAL TITAN!
now is there any way I can chuck it into my new gladiatorial pit to be fed goblins until the end of time and still keep the cage and everything?
Post by: Flaede on February 04, 2010, 11:21:26 pm
Post by: Heliman on February 05, 2010, 01:06:22 am
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can magma-cast obsidian areas that are considered "above ground" ever grow tower caps when muddied?No.
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now is there any way I can chuck it into my new gladiatorial pit to be fed goblins until the end of time and still keep the cage and everything?make a pit area from 1 Z level above the arena and order the Titan to be chucked into it. It also helps immensely if the said caged creature is right by said area.
Post by: Loyal on February 05, 2010, 01:31:43 am
Post by: Flaede on February 05, 2010, 02:22:40 am
Tower caps are specifically underground trees. This and the fact that you need to discover an underground river/pool first are the only distinction between them and normal trees.
right. but if I discover an underground river I am being told that being under magma cast rock layers does not count as underground, even just for the purposes of tower caps, is that right? towercaps are linked to the whole "sunlight stains"?
Post by: happydog23 on February 05, 2010, 02:45:33 am
Tower caps are specifically underground trees. This and the fact that you need to discover an underground river/pool first are the only distinction between them and normal trees.
right. but if I discover an underground river I am being told that being under magma cast rock layers does not count as underground, even just for the purposes of tower caps, is that right? towercaps are linked to the whole "sunlight stains"?
I believe so. You must be "subterranean" Dark, as opposed to "inside" dark.
Although I've never tried magmacasting to see if it changes the flags for that tile. I somewhat doubt it.
Post by: Garth on February 05, 2010, 03:21:21 pm
Post by: jilt_soda on February 05, 2010, 05:06:19 pm
Post by: Odd!x on February 05, 2010, 05:13:50 pm
I've just recently discovered the wonderful thing that is stupid miners digging channels....
the trick with that (at least, if you're talking about dorfs who are recklessly disregarding their own life and others by ensuring cave ins occur) is to simply make upward ramps on the level below where you would want to channel. The only thing to watch out for in that case is if a tree or construction is above the newly created lamps, it will crash down and cause Fun, which I learned through experience. If you don't want the ramps after you've created the area you wanted to channel, just (d)esignate (z)remove upward ramps/stairs and you're done!
Post by: Elvang on February 05, 2010, 05:20:10 pm
I have an archery target range with a channel behind it to collect missed bolts. My dwarves won't collect the bolts. Will they only get them when they run out otherwise?Make sure that used ammunition isn't set to Forbidden, (o)rders->(F)orbid. You're better off leaving the ammunition forbidden until they run out of stacks to use, then move the archery range so that your marksdwarves fire from where the bolts dropped. Saves a ton of time as they will only carry a single stack of bolts at a time, even if that stack contains only 1 bolt.
Post by: Garth on February 05, 2010, 07:17:22 pm
Yet I see no place in the UI that displays the total value of what I'm trading or they're trading...
Where can I see either of these?
Post by: assimilateur on February 05, 2010, 07:23:13 pm
Damn traders keep telling me they won't trade at a loss...
Yet I see no place in the UI that displays the total value of what I'm trading or they're trading...
Where can I see either of these?
If it's your trader's first trade, then he doesn't have the appraisal skill yet. Means you're gonna have to guess the values involved in your first trade, but you'll have data on the values next time.
Post by: happydog23 on February 05, 2010, 07:51:29 pm
Or can I place two hatches. Link Hatch A to a lever and then pull it. Then link hatch B to that lever. When I pull the lever from then on, will one hatch open and one hatch close?
Post by: JaaSwb on February 05, 2010, 07:57:53 pm
Post by: JaaSwb on February 05, 2010, 07:58:22 pm
To set up the system you describe, you either need two levers or a logic gate (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Bidok).
Post by: happydog23 on February 05, 2010, 08:12:49 pm
Levers don't send a continuous on or off signal, nor do they toggle a component's state - they send an "on" signal the moment they are pulled to the right, and an "off" signal when pulled to the left. http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Lever#On.2FOff_states (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Lever#On.2FOff_states) will tell you more.
To set up the system you describe, you either need two levers or a logic gate (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/User:Bidok).
Thanks... Apparently I've never actually looked at the LEVER wiki page... I'd always looked at others.
It's never simple. Its always gotta be dwarfy.
Post by: Alex. on February 05, 2010, 09:12:06 pm
So, will this work? Will the traps kill the animals and will the butcher be able to use the resulting mess?
Secondary question: Will I eventually need to replace the rhesus macaques? I.e. will they die of old age?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 05, 2010, 09:43:34 pm
Post by: Cariyaga on February 05, 2010, 11:26:21 pm
Post by: Skorpion on February 05, 2010, 11:35:39 pm
If so, can I use them as fuses?
Post by: Thorik on February 05, 2010, 11:41:28 pm
Post by: Skorpion on February 06, 2010, 12:18:06 am
Post by: Thorik on February 06, 2010, 12:43:36 am
Post by: Cheddarius on February 06, 2010, 12:53:15 am
Post by: Conflict on February 06, 2010, 01:32:21 am
Post by: Thorik on February 06, 2010, 01:33:26 am
Post by: Conflict on February 06, 2010, 01:37:40 am
Post by: Skorpion on February 06, 2010, 01:40:18 am
Is there anyway to remove 'Furrowed Clay' from my fortress? It's just annoying to look at, really.
Build a constructed floor over it. Then tear it up again. Voila, rock floor.
Post by: Garrie on February 06, 2010, 06:47:35 am
My preference would be to have dwarves on each level working simultaneously, so I don't really want to forbid the stone.
Post by: Thorik on February 06, 2010, 10:59:35 am
Post by: Sphalerite on February 06, 2010, 11:05:04 am
hehe, even a newb can answer that! disable hauling labors so he'll stay at masonry 24/7That won't in any way stop him from going to grab a stone on a different level.
The problem Gracie is having is sue to the fact that when a mason at a workshop needs a stone, he'll go and get the closest one to him, with 'closest' being determined in absolute straight-line X/Y/Z distance rather than actual pathing distance. So this means if a stone is directly beneath him one Z-level down, he'll walk halfway across the map and back to reach it rather than pick up the stone on his level 2 steps away. So far as I know the only way to fix this is to physically block off or forbid the stone on the other level.
Post by: Thorik on February 06, 2010, 11:23:36 am
Post by: Cheddarius on February 06, 2010, 12:43:52 pm
However, you can make quivers from leather so that they can carry two bolt stacks at a time. This way they'll be a bit more useful. And put large quantum stockpiles of bolts near defenses (parapets, barracks, wherever you plan to place marksdwarves) using the technique I described. You know, marksdwarves spend more time running back and forth for bolts than actually firing, so if you can make it convenient for them to get bolts, they'll be much more effective.
Post by: Thorik on February 06, 2010, 02:35:31 pm
also, I heard that you can mod the game somehow to make it so you can start with tons of dwarves and equipment like ale and armor? How do I do that?
Post by: Conflict on February 06, 2010, 02:44:21 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on February 06, 2010, 02:48:52 pm
My current computer can't handle DF, but I can download it and help you with it in a bit.
Also, I would highly, highly recommend using Dwarf Therapist (google it) - it makes things so much easier.
Conflict... I don't understand. If you have a barracks and a squad of wrestlers off duty, they should spar.
Post by: Thorik on February 06, 2010, 03:13:42 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on February 06, 2010, 03:22:58 pm
Post by: Garth on February 06, 2010, 04:18:29 pm
I'm running out of barrels to quickly and must have at least 200 plump helmet spawns just sitting in a silk bag....
Any tips here?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 06, 2010, 04:33:14 pm
Post by: Thorik on February 06, 2010, 04:59:56 pm
Post by: Owlbread on February 06, 2010, 07:39:01 pm
Post by: Garrie on February 06, 2010, 08:00:08 pm
And as I've effectively butted in front of Thorik, please do answer the him before myself if possible.If I could help him, I would, but alas, I cannot.
Chaps, as a quick question, can drawbridges be used as a sort of catapult?My answer to that is "allegedly", in that while I'm sure I've probably done it myself, I've never closely observed the results.
I don't know how you affect the range of a drawbridge catapult.
This feature probably means you want perimeter drawbridges opening outward not inward, which is sort of broken isn't it!
Post by: happydog23 on February 06, 2010, 08:13:32 pm
I found the thing called Tweak that I got to work for vanilla DF but when I input things such as Start Adjust and scroll around to like 10 dwarsfs and 3000 starting points it doesn't work anyway, but since I play that Mike Mayday graphical version I tried getting Tweak to work with that, and did the things on the wiki, but still couldn't do it, I messed around kind of, and messed up the mike mayday version of Df, so uninstalled it with the intention to reinstal and play normal, but none of the links to his version of DF work(they did yestserday), any other links to mike maydays graphical set you know of so I can play the game and not have dwarves being floating smily faces?
I found Version 21 (which might actually be the latest?) of Mayday's release... its now posted http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=1840
I don't know what his policy is on his release being on places other than his site, so if the site comes up and anyone knows for sure, I can take it down (I think i can anyway). It should be the 40d16 based version.
Another thing you can do Thorik is to gen your world and do the embark part in version 40d (so that you can use the utility) and then as soon as you embark, save the game and move the save to the Mayday version and you'll be good to go.
Chaps, as a quick question, can drawbridges be used as a sort of catapult?
Yes and no.... if you do some searching on the forums there was a post a month or so ago where someone did some extensive testing with animals and rocks to see what happens with various bridges when they are raised with things on them.
The gist of it was that if it was a retracting bridges, you got a normal distribution of items within i think 3 squares of the bridge, and I don't think anything was observed to change Z levels (unless it fell below the bridge). However if you did a bridge that raises, no items would fly in the direction the bridge raises because it instantly goes from down to up, and once it is up it blocks the flying items from traveling that direction.
Post by: Corinthius on February 06, 2010, 09:36:23 pm
I am digging out a large area to grow tower caps on. It is currently filled with rocks left behind.
1) Do I need to remove these before irrigating?
2) Do I need to remove these at all? Will tower caps grow on a space with a muddied boulder?
Thanks!
Post by: Sphalerite on February 06, 2010, 09:43:50 pm
Post by: DDR on February 06, 2010, 09:45:34 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 06, 2010, 09:52:34 pm
Tower-caps won't grow where there's a rock, so you need to remove them. But I don't think it matters if you irrigate before or after you remove the rocks.
I don't have the save to back it up any more, but I'm about 90% certain I had an accidental tree farm (oops) that was completely covered in loose rocks.... I only realized it when I was designating some other stuff and realized to rocks had all been hidden.
I don't remember if any trees actually matured or not... but they definitely started to grow. maybe it was only because they were hidden... I dunno.
I'm looking at my saves now...
I've yet to breach an underground stream, so I can't be of much help... I was wondering, is there any way to empty cages of non-animal items? Some of my cages have bones in them.
Normally to take items off creatures inside a cage you designate the cage and its contents for dumping... d>b>d and then use the item inspection (k) to remove the dump flag from the cage. Set up a dump zone near by and some friendly dwarves will come and remove any non-creature item from the cage.
EDIT: I've looked at my saves... I have a few full grown tower caps in the middle of some hidden stone, but they are under water so I can't cut them down to see if a stone pops out... There is no stone under the full grown tree using "k" currently or spaces next to the tree with more than one stone.
I have several hundred "Muddy Young Tower-cap" that are in the same square as hidden stone. I'm gonna leave the game running to see if any of them grow up.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 06, 2010, 10:27:22 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 06, 2010, 10:46:30 pm
Just checked my tree farm. Looks like you can get young tower-caps where there's a stone, but they won't mature until the stone is removed. Similar to a tower-cap growing on the same square as a floodgate or something - the presence of any object on the tile prevents the tower-cap from fully maturing.
I just did an experiment... I put all my under-rock trees as high traffic areas (to ensure they don't get trampled), and then designated half the stones for dumping.
After removing stone from 170 young tower-caps, 27 of them almost instantly turned in to tower-caps. Of the other ~200ish young tower caps with stone still on top of them, none of them have "sprouted".
I'd say that you're dead on that trees can grow, they just won't fully mature with anything else in the same square.
Post by: Corinthius on February 06, 2010, 10:47:48 pm
Thanks again!
Post by: Sutremaine on February 06, 2010, 11:37:45 pm
Post by: Garrie on February 07, 2010, 01:03:35 am
I have got a pit, into the aquifer, and I'm pumping it out with a perpetual motion water wheel to screw-pump-conga-line (6 pumps?). But I think I've made my pit a bit big for a first attempt & might end up having to try something a bit different somehow.
Post by: Thorik on February 07, 2010, 07:44:25 am
Post by: happydog23 on February 07, 2010, 10:51:12 am
How do I get a tame spider back in a cage? I accidentally dumped the cage it came in and now two of them are biting my dwarves all the time. If I 'k' over them their names appear in green and I don't have the option to unforbid them. They're also not visible in the stocks screen.
I have no clue... But I know the one below you and don't want you to think I ignored you :-P
With an aquifer: do I only need to build walls, or will it keep leaking until I build a floor on each non-edge section too?
I have got a pit, into the aquifer, and I'm pumping it out with a perpetual motion water wheel to screw-pump-conga-line (6 pumps?). But I think I've made my pit a bit big for a first attempt & might end up having to try something a bit different somehow.
Just building walls should be fine.... I believe if the aquifer is in a rock layer, you can just smooth (d > s) the walls to stop the water flow as well.
Post by: INSANEcyborg on February 07, 2010, 11:08:57 am
How do I get a tame spider back in a cage? I accidentally dumped the cage it came in and now two of them are biting my dwarves all the time. If I 'k' over them their names appear in green and I don't have the option to unforbid them. They're also not visible in the stocks screen.
Try assigning them to a new cage, a dwarf should be able to pick them up even if they're wandering around.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 07, 2010, 11:51:58 am
Chaps, as a quick question, can drawbridges be used as a sort of catapult?When a drawbridge raises, objects located on the part of the bridge which becomes a wall will be instantly destroyed. Objects located on the rest of the bridge will be thrown up to twelve tiles in a completely random direction. This movement is in X,Y, and Z, so objects can be thrown upwards or downwards in addition to sideways. Thrown objects will move until they run out of momentum or hit something, and then they will fall straight down.
Falling objects don't do any damage, so the only way to use this as a weapon is to throw burning objects, and even that isn't very useful.
Lowering drawbridges don't throw anything, but they do destroy objects in the space they lower into.
Retracting and extending bridges throw objects up to 3 spaces in X,Y, and Z, and don't destroy anything.
Post by: Corinthius on February 07, 2010, 12:22:33 pm
I want their stuff! Could have anything to do with the fact that a siege just killed three of their number?
Post by: Cheddarius on February 07, 2010, 12:31:06 pm
Otherwise, wall off the depot, wait for them to die, and loot them.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 07, 2010, 12:32:44 pm
I want their stuff! Could have anything to do with the fact that a siege just killed three of their number?That's exactly the case. If any merchants get killed, the rest panic, don't trade, and run off the map first chance they get. If you don't let them leave they'll eventually go insane.
Post by: Corinthius on February 07, 2010, 12:50:44 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on February 07, 2010, 12:59:29 pm
Post by: Corinthius on February 07, 2010, 01:03:37 pm
Post by: Bauglir on February 07, 2010, 03:15:43 pm
Post by: Conflict on February 07, 2010, 03:25:21 pm
Alright, I have about fifty dwarves and I'm facing mass starvation which has, to say the least, lead to 12 deaths. Here's some information about my food industry..
Farm
- 6x9 Plot
- Underground
- Has plump helmets planted all four seasons
- Not a single 'dedicated' farmer. (Skill wise) due to them being killed off in an earlier invasion
- Have limited fishing
- Have limited plant gathering
Suggestions?
Post by: Urist McOverlord on February 07, 2010, 03:29:20 pm
Check they aren't forbidden. I have that same problem sometimes. Also, I think even if they won't be dumped,Masons will still use them. So setting make blocks on repeat might get them eventually..
Post by: Cheddarius on February 07, 2010, 03:38:09 pm
Set 20 dwarves to gather plants; gather a massive swath of shrubs around your fortress (only do this if you're pretty sure you won't get attacked by goblins)
Go to the z-stocks menu. Forbid all food and booze, except prepared meals. Don't worry, your dwarves probably won't die for a few seasons.
Build a ton of breweries and set them all to brew booze. Have the best brewers, or random dwarves if you have none, brew.
Have kitchens, and have booze enabled to cook in the kitchen menu.
Because 1 plant = 1 booze = 5 meals, you can quickly multiply your food stores fivefold.
Also, butcher everything.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 07, 2010, 03:38:57 pm
Suggestions?Set a dwarf as a butcher and butcher any spare animals you have.
Set a few dwarves as farmers, a few as brewers, and a few as cooks. Farm plump helmets. Brew them to alcohol. Cook the alcohol. Repeat.
Post by: Cheddarius on February 07, 2010, 03:45:47 pm
Also if it gets really desperate you could just find some dwarves with no friends, or dwarves who are really happy, and kill everyone else.
Post by: Bauglir on February 07, 2010, 03:49:20 pm
Post by: Conflict on February 07, 2010, 04:01:21 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on February 07, 2010, 04:08:50 pm
Have the most friendless or happy dwarves, preferably with "X doesn't care about anything anymore", lock themselves in the farms with all the food/booze there is and a pick, along with anything else useful. Make them all farmers. Leave the rest to die.
Post by: Rotinaj on February 07, 2010, 04:10:42 pm
Post by: Elvin on February 07, 2010, 04:18:22 pm
Do certain dwarves not gain certain attributes? I have a dwarf who is legendary in 3 different skills, but he isn't even "Strong" yet.
I believe the agility, strength and the other one are given randomly once you get enough experience. So you might just be getting really unlucky with your ability levelling.
Post by: Rotinaj on February 07, 2010, 05:08:21 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on February 07, 2010, 05:16:05 pm
Post by: BLitZ on February 07, 2010, 09:52:45 pm
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Also if it dose what i think it should launch two darts at a time with a crit boost of one.
Post by: Garth on February 07, 2010, 10:41:46 pm
How does one build a tower, to put it?
Like I have a basic square shape set up with gaps in the middle to let caravans and migrants through for now.
On the corners I want to build up a type of tower to hold my barracks, ammo stockpiles, anything that my military needs.
But building a wall is impossible on top of/next to the wall I've already built.
What resource do I need to build vertical?
Post by: Cheddarius on February 07, 2010, 10:52:19 pm
Post by: Garth on February 07, 2010, 10:56:48 pm
Build a floor on top of the wall.God dammit.....
Post by: BLitZ on February 07, 2010, 10:58:28 pm
Post by: Garth on February 07, 2010, 11:10:11 pm
you need to build stares or a ramp to the upper levels if you use stairs you also need to build a set on the second floor here look at the wiki article http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stairs (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stairs)
That's kind of puzzling the way is shown in the pics...
So if I'm just using the b C combination to build them...
I just need to build stairs, then floor, then a wall on the floor, then a floor on top of that wall? I think...
Or does it not matter if the stairs comes first?
Post by: Corinthius on February 07, 2010, 11:23:37 pm
Then build (b C f) floors to cover the area inside the tower. Note that you *cannot* build walls on top of floors, so don't build the floors over the entire thing, leave a one square border around the outside for the next level of walls.
Then build the 4 corner walls spaces.
Then build the rest of the walls.
Repeat.
Post by: BLitZ on February 07, 2010, 11:28:48 pm
also build yore corners before one of the wall tiles next to them because you can NOT build wall diagonally
Post by: happydog23 on February 07, 2010, 11:52:10 pm
God dammit........Build a floor on top of the wall.
How does one build a tower, to put it?
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I decided this is siggable.
Post by: Flaede on February 07, 2010, 11:55:31 pm
you need to build stares or a ramp to the upper levels if you use stairs you also need to build a set on the second floor here look at the wiki article http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stairs (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stairs)
That's kind of puzzling the way is shown in the pics...
So if I'm just using the b C combination to build them...
I just need to build stairs, then floor, then a wall on the floor, then a floor on top of that wall? I think...
Or does it not matter if the stairs comes first?
umno. not exactly. you build stairs up, so your dwarves can reach floor two. then you build flooring NEXT to the wall-space, and then you build a wall on top of the first wall (walls automatically make "floors" on top of themselves. You can build on this "floor", you cannot build on top of constructed floors)
Post by: Garth on February 08, 2010, 12:14:24 am
It's just like digging pretty much...
Fancy that...
Post by: Cheddarius on February 08, 2010, 12:34:24 am
It seems I was accidentally hilarious or something?
Okay, yeah, I actually meant that as honest advice.
See, I haven't played DF in a while, and I thought walls weren't constructed with floors automatically on top, so I thought that building a floor on top of the wall would let someone build another wall on top of the floor.
Oh well.
Post by: happydog23 on February 08, 2010, 12:58:41 am
Oh wow
It seems I was accidentally hilarious or something?
Okay, yeah, I actually meant that as honest advice.
See, I haven't played DF in a while, and I thought walls weren't constructed with floors automatically on top, so I thought that building a floor on top of the wall would let someone build another wall on top of the floor.
Oh well.
It's actually decent advice... Its just in line with a smart mouth answer I'd give IRL. "How do you get out of here?" "I go through that door there" That kind of thing.... and at tower building at it's most fundamental level is... build a wall, put a floor on it, and repeat.
Post by: Organum on February 08, 2010, 05:08:45 am
Post by: BLitZ on February 08, 2010, 06:24:37 am
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 08, 2010, 08:22:49 am
Post by: Sphalerite on February 08, 2010, 08:45:43 am
Post by: JaaSwb on February 08, 2010, 09:38:43 am
Note that magma will melt floor engravings, but not wall engravings - it only affects things in the same tile. This also has the odd effect of making trees impervious to magma.
Post by: Thorik on February 08, 2010, 02:12:02 pm
Post by: Skorpion on February 08, 2010, 02:14:09 pm
There are tower-caps in my plumbing.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 08, 2010, 02:23:01 pm
question, aside from needing an underground towercap forest, what else do I need to think of if I am to shut off from the outside world, for atleast a few years while I smith and train my men? I have around a hundred dwarves, masons, carpenters, bowyers, and smiths and a dozen soldiers, with magma and whatnot, I guess I could do without wood since I can make things out of stone and already have hundreds of beds, but is there anything else I need to think of?
The only things you 'need' to seal yourself off are things to satisfy hunger and thirst. So if you have a farm plot making plump helmets and a well connected to infinite water, you'll be fine. Anything else is a luxury.
The only other thing I can think of is metal bars for noble mandates, and a few items that are much easier to get from the caravan than finding them yourself, gems and leather in particular. If you're not planning on doing any leatherworking or decorating with gems, you should be fine.
I get the feeling that there's something I'm missing, but I can't be sure. If you lack metals that you can turn into weapons and armor, that's a concern as well.
I have a brook on my highest natural z-level. If I were to pump water from it, what would happen to my fortress?
That depends on where you pump it and what safety measures you take to prevent it from flooding your fortress. What did you have in mind?
If you pump directly from it with no precautions, it will flood your fortress. Slowly, since the water output from brooks is pretty low.
Post by: Spong on February 08, 2010, 04:04:30 pm
Post by: JaaSwb on February 08, 2010, 04:08:07 pm
Post by: Spong on February 08, 2010, 04:22:28 pm
edit: Another small wave of 2 arrived, they seem to be trickling in rather than coming in big batches like they normally do but its still ignoring the overall cap. It could just be another pre-defined wave though I'll see if the situation changes.
Post by: Thorik on February 08, 2010, 05:16:37 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 08, 2010, 07:11:53 pm
And So far on a couple of the humans, they have been immune to cage traps... goblins walk on them, bam caged no problem. The human in the ambush just stands on all the loaded cage traps waiting to slay anyone who comes by. Any idea why a human would not set off the traps?
Post by: Skorpion on February 08, 2010, 07:27:43 pm
Even goblinised humans.
Post by: Conflict on February 08, 2010, 08:32:53 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on February 08, 2010, 08:40:53 pm
Post by: Asmodeous on February 08, 2010, 09:00:20 pm
Alright, now whenever my wrestlers well, wrestle, they find the need to strip each other of all clothing. But now, it's really starting to get everywhere. Is there any way I can clean this shenanigans up?
If you give them their own bedroom with a cabinet and a chest they might pick them up and shove them into the cabinet/chest while off duty and not practicing.
Might.
Post by: Thorik on February 08, 2010, 09:01:35 pm
P.s. seriously I wanna play the map Boatmurdered was in
Post by: Sutremaine on February 08, 2010, 09:21:44 pm
Alright, now whenever my wrestlers well, wrestle, they find the need to strip each other of all clothing. But now, it's really starting to get everywhere. Is there any way I can clean this shenanigans up?I've arranged things so that the barracks are designated from a weapon rack or armour stand behind a raising bridge, but I can't remember how. What won't work is something like this:
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###D#####
#+++++|R#
#+++++|##
#+++++|##
#########
D: door
R: weapon rack
|: bridge when raised
Perhaps it needs to be on a diagonal.
Post by: A Dwarven Smokeologist on February 08, 2010, 11:57:03 pm
Can I basically build a barracks or designate it so the entire room is on a retractable bridge, then from time to time clear the room by retracting the bridge and dumping the stuff into magma? Or do rooms not work over a bridge?
Post by: ungulateman on February 09, 2010, 12:23:41 am
Post by: Cheddarius on February 09, 2010, 12:43:13 am
Post by: Flaede on February 09, 2010, 01:41:58 am
Humans are immune to any traps the diplomat's seen.
Even goblinised humans.
wait, what?? when did this happen? I did not know this. wow.
Post by: happydog23 on February 09, 2010, 02:14:37 am
Humans are immune to any traps the diplomat's seen.
Even goblinised humans.
wait, what?? when did this happen? I did not know this. wow.
Yeah... its a good way to get your smith killed.
Anyway... a couple questions... My tests seem to indicate that floor grates made of green glass submerged in magma do not melt... Is that right? or did I just not leave them in long enough?
and second, for pumps, I know the corkscrew and tube matter, but if I am submerging pumps in magma, does the block need to be a non-magma-melty material?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 09, 2010, 08:52:05 am
They won't spar on a bridge.They will, so long as the barracks contains at least one open non-bridge tile. I've had barracks where the entire floor except for two tiles, one containing an armor rack and one left open, was a retracting bridge over a magma pipe. They sparred on the bridge, left clothing everywhere, and I periodically retracted the bridge to dump it in the magma.
My tests seem to indicate that floor grates made of green glass submerged in magma do not melt... Is that right? or did I just not leave them in long enough?This is correct. For some bizarre reason green glass furniture is magma-proof when built, even though loose green glass objects will melt when dumped in magma. This also applies to pumps made entirely from green glass - they can be safely immersed in magma without melting.
Post by: Jude on February 09, 2010, 09:41:57 am
Post by: Corinthius on February 09, 2010, 12:15:38 pm
Questions:
1) Can goblins swim?
2) If a goblin falls into a flowing river, will the river push him along?
3) Will the river push objects in it along?
4) If a goblin is in some water, and subsequently gets magma dropped on him, will all his cloth clothing be preserved in the obsidian and be able to later be recovered by mining? Will the metal objects be preserved?
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 09, 2010, 12:45:26 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 09, 2010, 01:56:00 pm
Questions:
1) Can goblins swim?
Maybe?
2) If a goblin falls into a flowing river, will the river push him along?
7/7 water does not push anything even if it has "flow" the water is actually "teleporting." If you're standing next to a square of 7/7 water and it spreads out towards a unit or item, then it can be pushed
3) Will the river push objects in it along?
same as above
4) If a goblin is in some water, and subsequently gets magma dropped on him, will all his cloth clothing be preserved in the obsidian and be able to later be recovered by mining? Will the metal objects be preserved?
Not sure.... I know in my obsidian farms, if there are magma safe rocks when i fill it up and dump water, I get obsidian + those rocks when I mine it out. I also recently flooded my magma pipe with water, and after the new obsidian cap cooled, there is one square that is a rough hewn obsidian wall, a fire imp skull, and 3 fire imp bones. I know the imps bones are "magma safe" so it might apply to items too.
Post by: Skorpion on February 09, 2010, 03:04:45 pm
Humans are immune to any traps the diplomat's seen.
Even goblinised humans.
wait, what?? when did this happen? I did not know this. wow.
Since this version came out.
Post by: happydog23 on February 09, 2010, 03:27:01 pm
Humans are immune to any traps the diplomat's seen.
Even goblinised humans.
wait, what?? when did this happen? I did not know this. wow.
Since this version came out.
Found a solution to the problem... If you forget to let the human diplomat leave, he'll go berserek in your dining hall, your military will come make his body explode all over the walls, and you can then rebuild your traps without fear that some stupid humgoblin will spear your blacksmith while he diligently runs out to try and pick up a goblin cage.
Post by: Conflict on February 09, 2010, 05:21:18 pm
- Better item quality (For beds/Doors/Etc.)
- Statues
^ Is all I know how to improve the 'room' quality. (Decent bedroom..Fine bedroom..etc)
Post by: jayseesee on February 09, 2010, 06:00:45 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 09, 2010, 06:04:03 pm
What are some ways I can improve room quality for my nobles?
- Better item quality (For beds/Doors/Etc.)
- Statues
^ Is all I know how to improve the 'room' quality. (Decent bedroom..Fine bedroom..etc)
Making things out of iron/steel tends to make the value of a room shoot up (instead of using stone like I used to do)
Post by: jayseesee on February 09, 2010, 06:05:42 pm
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Ahh yes, also use higher valued items as components for statues/doors/etc. Making a Marble/Obsidian door for example is worth more than a Gabbro.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 09, 2010, 06:17:14 pm
Goblins can swim just like dwarves: if they don't drown fast enough, they'll learn. I learned this by using a roofless outdoor drowning chamber. Cover the chamber and fill it to the top, and it won't matter if they can swim or not.
Post by: Odd!x on February 09, 2010, 06:19:52 pm
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Ahh yes, also use higher valued items as components for statues/doors/etc. Making a Marble/Obsidian door for example is worth more than a Gabbro.
not sure if I'm stating a fact so obvious that no one bothered to mention, but don't forget to choose the perfect location! A noble will always prefer a room made from flux and valuable minerals/gems (personally I don't want a chalky room, but hey I'm not a noble). Don't forget to call up your engraver and have those walls and floors smoothed and engraved, that will ALWAYS increase the value.
Post by: Dendou on February 09, 2010, 07:47:44 pm
b) Does the quality of the design of ballistae affect the accuracy/power/rate of fire? I have 6 ballistae made from only masterpiece parts and I want them as high quality as possible.
c) Does the quality of ballistae bolts affect accuracy/power/rate?
d) If yes to c then, will dumping my bolts into magma burn the shaft and leave my adamantine tips to be reused or do I have to melt down the tips too?
As you can see, I like to have the option of extreme overkill always available.
Oh, and e) Is there any greater overkill I could do than having one one my legendary +5 siege operators fire a materpiece adamantine tipped ballistae bolt from a masterpiece ballistae at point blank range?(other than involving magma of couse ;), I'll figure that out too)
Post by: Sutremaine on February 09, 2010, 07:55:05 pm
a) I know that a chain allows access within 1 tile of its center, but does this apply to Z levels as well? ie: could I have a 3x3x3 cube prison for my dwarves?Yes to this, don't know about the others.
Post by: garfield751 on February 09, 2010, 07:55:55 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on February 09, 2010, 07:57:43 pm
c. Bolt quality/material affects damage and possibly accuracy.
e. Have two legendary +5 siege operators fire masterpiece adamantine tipped ballistae bolts from masterpiece ballistas at point blank range.
Post by: jayseesee on February 09, 2010, 08:00:54 pm
Urist McCrybaby cancels fire ballista: saw shadow.
Post by: Cheddarius on February 09, 2010, 08:07:31 pm
Post by: garfield751 on February 09, 2010, 09:05:22 pm
if i build a room Inside a magma pipe will the room flood with magma when the magma fills to its level?
*cough*
Post by: Loyal on February 09, 2010, 09:15:20 pm
To test it, you could dump some water over the top of the pipe, channel some enclosed tiles out and see whether the magma refills the tile or not.
Post by: Spong on February 09, 2010, 09:15:38 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on February 09, 2010, 09:42:09 pm
if i build a room Inside a magma pipe will the room flood with magma when the magma fills to its level?If it's sealed, top and bottom, no. If the bottom is open... Not sure. If the top is open and the entire magma pipe isn't covered, it'll get filled as magma slops over the sides. Magma in a magma pipe appears to spawn in "beams" rising straight up from the magma flow to up to 3 tiles above the highest magma level or the original magma top. This means that emptied pipes will occasionally get columns 3 z-levels high of 7/7 magma squares, which then of course rapidly collapse because they're made of liquid.
These beams, however, are blocked by most everything, so a room that is sealed on all sides won't flood, and if you seal the entire pipe at any level with floors, bridges, etc. the magma won't fill over that level until the blockage is gone.
How do you look at combat details and wounds in more depth? I read on the forums where players describe combat fairly intricately but I have no details in my game I just see the outcome of either a dead dorf or a dead gobbo/kobold etc. I know how to look at what parts are wounded by using 'v' then 'w' on a character but is there a more detailed screen? Basically I would like to know more about whats happening with my soldiers.In Adventure Mode, there are much, much more detailed combat and wound reports, which are the ones you usually see. With Dwarf Companion, you can also sort of turn these on in Fortress Mode, though it's quite buggy and generally more trouble than it's worth. Specifically, the names of the creatures involved are never displayed, so while you can tell what's happening you can't tell who it's happening to, and it does it in the announcements line so you get dozens of lines of announcement spam and can't really follow it in real-time.
Real combat reports are yet another feature that is coming in the next version, which should be out any minute/hour/day/week/month/year (choose appropriate for your preferred -mism) now.
Many people also use their imaginations to make more detailed combat reports. If you're capable of doing such a thing yourself, more power to you ;)
Post by: Retro on February 09, 2010, 10:16:49 pm
if i build a room Inside a magma pipe will the room flood with magma when the magma fills to its level?If it's sealed, top and bottom, no. If the bottom is open... Not sure.
Unless you've got an active pump with the output tile touching the magma pipe from higher up (thus 'pressurizing' the pipe), no. Which is totally awesome, because you can build a tower without much of a floor on the bottom level to have a magma pool within your tower within the magma pipe!
Post by: Particleman on February 09, 2010, 10:31:26 pm
How do you look at combat details and wounds in more depth? I read on the forums where players describe combat fairly intricately but I have no details in my game I just see the outcome of either a dead dorf or a dead gobbo/kobold etc. I know how to look at what parts are wounded by using 'v' then 'w' on a character but is there a more detailed screen? Basically I would like to know more about whats happening with my soldiers.
Unfortunately you have to do it manually. Pause the game when your soldiers engage the enemy, let the game run for a second or so, then pause again and check the wounds of the combatants. Alternately use the period key to advance the game a few steps at a time, if the combats go by too fast for you. There are no combat reports in fortress mode, but you can infer what's happened by watching wounds progress.
Post by: smjjames on February 09, 2010, 10:32:57 pm
How do you look at combat details and wounds in more depth? I read on the forums where players describe combat fairly intricately but I have no details in my game I just see the outcome of either a dead dorf or a dead gobbo/kobold etc. I know how to look at what parts are wounded by using 'v' then 'w' on a character but is there a more detailed screen? Basically I would like to know more about whats happening with my soldiers.
Unfortunately you have to do it manually. Pause the game when your soldiers engage the enemy, let the game run for a second or so, then pause again and check the wounds of the combatants. Alternately use the period key to advance the game a few steps at a time, if the combats go by too fast for you.
Even then, it can be hard to see what exactly is going on if combat moves quickly.
Post by: Skorpion on February 09, 2010, 11:32:53 pm
Also, the goblins murdered the human diplomat. This means war, doesen't it?
Post by: smjjames on February 09, 2010, 11:36:07 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on February 10, 2010, 01:06:54 am
This also angers the humans, like seizing a caravan, though in my experience the other civs are very tolerant so I wouldn't say war is guaranteed.
If they actually killed the Diplomat, who the humans send to negotiate peace... you may be in an endless war.
Edit: Wiki reminds me the Diplomat appears to large fortresses for no purpose. Same answer as liason, they won't like it, plus they may never declare peace.
V It's only 1AM here (: Still latearly enough for sleep though. V
Post by: Retro on February 10, 2010, 01:07:37 am
Also, the goblins murdered the human diplomat. This means war, doesen't it?
I don't think it's a certainty, but it's pretty likely. Fortunately, if you just kick their ass a few years in a row they might just try and save face by sending another caravan.
--gdmnt. Ninja'd at 2am?!
Post by: garfield751 on February 10, 2010, 01:10:21 am
If the bottom is open... Not sure.I caped the pipe and at first i thought this was a no brainer but then my pump acess floods with magma. The channels i dug allowed magma to spwan above it makeing it unacessable and unfixable. same thing happens to down stairs when theres 7/7 magma under it in the vent cap.
Post by: Skorpion on February 10, 2010, 01:54:08 am
If they killed the Guild Representative, the one who comes with every human caravan and negotiates what you import, then you don't get a replacement and can no longer as the humans for specific goods.
This also angers the humans, like seizing a caravan, though in my experience the other civs are very tolerant so I wouldn't say war is guaranteed.
If they actually killed the Diplomat, who the humans send to negotiate peace... you may be in an endless war.
Edit: Wiki reminds me the Diplomat appears to large fortresses for no purpose. Same answer as liason, they won't like it, plus they may never declare peace.
V It's only 1AM here (: Still latearly enough for sleep though. V
The diplomat. The guildmaster survived.
Shit. At least I'll get the meat, metals, and leather I want.
Post by: assimilateur on February 10, 2010, 02:01:23 am
Ninja'd at 2am?!
Pro tip: the internet is international.
Post by: happydog23 on February 10, 2010, 02:11:51 am
Ninja'd at 2am?!
Pro tip: the internet is international.
Pro tip: It's 2AM where he is for the whole world too. :-)
Post by: Garrie on February 10, 2010, 05:00:34 am
Is there any way to remove mud outdoors?Yea, use dirt roads to clear off the mud.
dirt roads clear off mud. Unless you are in Australia I guess... hang, on, Toad is an ozzie, he should know about dirt roads... ???
Post by: Retro on February 10, 2010, 11:58:19 am
Ninja'd at 2am?!
Pro tip: the internet is international.
Yeah, silly, I know :P But the forum is generally noticeably slower during my time zone's wee hours, hence the surprise. Rolan actually posted between me hitting Preview and then immediately hitting Post. I suppose I still look silly :D
Post by: smjjames on February 10, 2010, 01:11:00 pm
I just got my sig:Is there any way to remove mud outdoors?Yea, use dirt roads to clear off the mud.
dirt roads clear off mud. Unless you are in Australia I guess... hang, on, Toad is an ozzie, he should know about dirt roads... ???
I know it doesn't really make sense, but hey, anything that grows there is always covered in mud, no matter what, which doesn't quite make sense either.
Post by: OddProphet on February 10, 2010, 02:35:37 pm
Question one: In regards to Nobles, could I channel a room so it is suspended above a magma pool held up by, say, two squares? Furthermore, could I then have a dorf channel the last two squares, sending the whole room tumbling into liquid-hot mag-ma?
Question two: How, exactly, do I link levers to traps? The wiki says to use mechanisms, and I have plenty, but for some reason the traps will not link to the lever.
And yes, that lever is key to yet another assassination attempt. Stupid no-life cheese maker...
Post by: Retro on February 10, 2010, 02:38:59 pm
Hello, B12F.
Question one: In regards to Nobles, could I channel a room so it is suspended above a magma pool held up by, say, two squares? Furthermore, could I then have a dorf channel the last two squares, sending the whole room tumbling into liquid-hot mag-ma?
Question two: How, exactly, do I link levers to traps? The wiki says to use mechanisms, and I have plenty, but for some reason the traps will not link to the lever.
And yes, that lever is key to yet another assassination attempt. Stupid no-life cheese maker...
One: You absolutely can. Keep in mind that cave-ins plus magma causes magma mist, so keep the area well-cordoned off.
Two: You link the levers to the traps from the lever's menu. In the Q menu, aside from being able to order the lever pulled, you can hook them up to all kinds of things, requiring two mechanisms per connection.
Post by: OddProphet on February 10, 2010, 02:43:51 pm
Another question springs to mind:
Can I place a lever in a space beneath a drawbridge, atomsmashing whoever I choose? How would I be able to do this more than once?
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 10, 2010, 03:15:21 pm
1. How can I view my stock of plants and seeds, with some details? the z/stock list give me that I have 60 plants and 30 seeds, but I would like to know more.
2. How can I deconstruct a stairway or a channel... it is possible generally to fill up something excavated (plug the holes)
3. is a door capable of stopping water from coming, can I use them as water locks?
4. in a farm field, I'm proposed with several seeds for a given season... How can I know if I'll have enough of that seed for the entire field? and if I don't have enough, is the rest of the field wasted (as I suppose you can't put several type seeds in the same field)
5. I wanted to mud a cavern to create a farm field... I succeeded but only after creating a channel over the pond, and ask the dwarves to pour buckets into a pond zone restricted to the channel, so that the water fall a level below to the ground. But before, I tried to have the dwarves pour buckets directly into the ground which was defined as a pond to fill and it did not work, why? this amount to the same thing in the end, the water is going to the pond... why it worked only if the buckets were poured to the channel, one level above the pond, I don't understand the logic.
6. how can I tell a dwarf to attack a goblin thief? Say he is a wood cutter and has already an axe, how can I motivate him to run and kill him before he escapes?
that is all, thank for your patience. If only the game had a mouse support ;)
Post by: Particleman on February 10, 2010, 03:28:03 pm
Muahahahahahahaha.
Another question springs to mind:
Can I place a lever in a space beneath a drawbridge, atomsmashing whoever I choose? How would I be able to do this more than once?
As far as I know you can't build anything in the space a drawbridge occupies when extended once it's been built, and you can't build a bridge to occupy the same space as a lever or any other building (except floors.)
Hi,
1. How can I view my stock of plants and seeds, with some details? the z/stock list give me that I have 60 plants and 30 seeds, but I would like to know more.
2. How can I deconstruct a stairway or a channel... it is possible generally to fill up something excavated (plug the holes)
3. is a door capable of stopping water from coming, can I use them as water locks?
4. in a farm field, I'm proposed with several seeds for a given season... How can I know if I'll have enough of that seed for the entire field? and if I don't have enough, is the rest of the field wasted (as I suppose you can't put several type seeds in the same field)
5. I wanted to mud a cavern to create a farm field... I succeeded but only after creating a channel over the pond, and ask the dwarves to pour buckets into a pond zone restricted to the channel, so that the water fall a level below to the ground. But before, I tried to have the dwarves pour buckets directly into the ground which was defined as a pond to fill and it did not work, why? this amount to the same thing in the end, the water is going to the pond... why it worked only if the buckets were poured to the channel, one level above the pond, I don't understand the logic.
6. how can I tell a dwarf to attack a goblin thief? Say he is a wood cutter and has already an axe, how can I motivate him to run and kill him before he escapes?
that is all, thank for your patience. If only the game had a mouse support ;)
1: You need a bookkeeper. Make an office for him (just a 1x2 room with a chair and a table is enough, doesn't have to be decorated or anything) and designate your bookkeeper from the (n)obles screen. You shouldn't need 100% accurate counts of how much food you have until, at the earliest, after your first immigrant wave, though.
2: Down stairways can have floors built over them if you dug them out, or deconstructed (d->n) if you made them out of wood or stone.
3: Yes. Make sure you mark them as forbidden, though.
4: View your stock of seeds with the z menu. They're listed by type in the kitchen and stocks menu.
5: Dwarves will only fill a pond from above so they don't end up drowning themselves. Not that they won't find another way to drown themselves, but they won't do it like that.
6: Draft him. Go to the (m)ilitary screen, select the dwarf you want, hit Enter to draft him. Then hit v to view his squad info, then press t to toggle him to be on duty. Now, once you've done all that, hit Space a few times to get back to the actual playing screen, press x to select squads, and move the cursor over him. He should be selected. Press l to lock onto his squad, then move the cursor to where you want him to go and press s to staion him there. Unless he's in the middle of eating or getting a drink he should head to his station and chase any enemies he sees on the way there.
Post by: ed boy on February 10, 2010, 03:44:08 pm
Hi,1-If you have a record keeper who is keeping records with enough accuracy, you can see it in more detail.
1. How can I view my stock of plants and seeds, with some details? the z/stock list give me that I have 60 plants and 30 seeds, but I would like to know more.
2. How can I deconstruct a stairway or a channel... it is possible generally to fill up something excavated (plug the holes)
3. is a door capable of stopping water from coming, can I use them as water locks?
4. in a farm field, I'm proposed with several seeds for a given season... How can I know if I'll have enough of that seed for the entire field? and if I don't have enough, is the rest of the field wasted (as I suppose you can't put several type seeds in the same field)
5. I wanted to mud a cavern to create a farm field... I succeeded but only after creating a channel over the pond, and ask the dwarves to pour buckets into a pond zone restricted to the channel, so that the water fall a level below to the ground. But before, I tried to have the dwarves pour buckets directly into the ground which was defined as a pond to fill and it did not work, why? this amount to the same thing in the end, the water is going to the pond... why it worked only if the buckets were poured to the channel, one level above the pond, I don't understand the logic.
6. how can I tell a dwarf to attack a goblin thief? Say he is a wood cutter and has already an axe, how can I motivate him to run and kill him before he escapes?
that is all, thank for your patience. If only the game had a mouse support ;)
2- to remove up stairways, if they have been build, you need to use the remove construction designation. If they have been mined and are up then they need the "remove up starways/ramps" designation. Otherswise you will need to channel them. A floor can be built over a channeled area, but filling it in requires you to build a wall on the level below.
3-Yes.
4-there is no way of knowing. You cannot have more than one crop per field per season.. Don't worry about it - a 5x5 field will leave you with more food than you will know what to do with.
5-This irritates me, but You can't tell them to empty a bucket straight onto a floor (yet).
6-Non-military dwarves will run away from hostiles. Activate him into the military and he will make short work of the thief. You can deactivate him straight after.
Post by: sproingie on February 10, 2010, 04:27:36 pm
Can I place a lever in a space beneath a drawbridge, atomsmashing whoever I choose? How would I be able to do this more than once?
You can't have the bridge land on the lever, and you wouldn't want to -- you'd atomsmash the lever if you could build it that way. However, bridges raise and lower on a delay, so you could have it RAISE on the only access spaces to the lever, and the hapless lever puller has a decent chance of getting squished when it raises. The quality of the mechanism appears to affect the delay.
My preference for lethal levers is self-service drowning chambers. That way it won't atom-smash their stuff.
Post by: Cheddarius on February 10, 2010, 07:06:02 pm
Post by: sproingie on February 10, 2010, 07:26:09 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 10, 2010, 07:27:15 pm
They can still issue mandates while you wait for them to starve while locked in their bedroom. I prefer resolving problems quickly. Besides, it's just more fun to drown them. Or if you don't care about their stuff, let them take a magma bath. But that means rebuilding all the furniture.
Only the bed really... Just make everything else out of iron... and don't engrave the floors...
Post by: Skorpion on February 10, 2010, 07:32:39 pm
And a third lever for drainage, naturally.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 10, 2010, 10:03:11 pm
4. in a farm field, I'm proposed with several seeds for a given season... How can I know if I'll have enough of that seed for the entire field? and if I don't have enough, is the rest of the field wasted (as I suppose you can't put several type seeds in the same field)You can have two types of seed in a field at once, otherwise dwarves wouldn't plant pig tails in summer until all the sweet pods had been harvested. I believe that you can change the plant type halfway through a planting session and have dwarves switch to the new plant, but I'm not 100% sure (I've been playing with modded crops for a while). Try it yourself, it won't hurt anything. :P
Post by: Cheddarius on February 10, 2010, 10:09:06 pm
Post by: Retro on February 10, 2010, 10:15:11 pm
Can you grow tower caps without water? Someone said you can build a farm plot and designate it to grow tower caps...
They must have been mistaken. You can grow tower caps with water from a source other than an underground river or pool, but you need to have discovered one of those first to get the water magicks a-flowin'. Farm plots are for plants that don't double as construction material.
Post by: Cheddarius on February 10, 2010, 10:23:05 pm
Post by: happydog23 on February 10, 2010, 10:26:21 pm
So when they say "civilians" do they mean citizens... and if so I take it that since pets are friendly they count for this as well?
Post by: Cheddarius on February 10, 2010, 10:37:15 pm
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L=lever
Connect the lever to all the upright spikes. Assign the lever to be pulled by someone (q-P on the lever to choose who). Schle will walk to the lever and start pulling it; schler pet will come along. Once you lock the doors, schler pet will be impaled on the spikes.For the others, butcher them for free meat and bones, which can be turned into bolts.
Post by: Retro on February 10, 2010, 10:45:44 pm
For a pressure plate, I am working on a system to "catch" all the pets in my fortress... do pressure plates need to be set to have "Citizens trigger" for pets to set it off? the wiki says "You can pick whether your own citizens will trigger the plate or not. Friendly NPCs (traders ect) count as civilians. Berserk dwarves count as enemies. "
So when they say "civilians" do they mean citizens... and if so I take it that since pets are friendly they count for this as well?
I'm honestly not sure, but you can work around this altogether by assigning size modifiers to the pressure plates. I can't recall offhand what size dwarves are (maybe 6?), but most animals will be smaller. Plus you might catch some children while you're at it! It's like the petting zoo you can never leave.
Post by: happydog23 on February 10, 2010, 10:48:49 pm
For a pressure plate, I am working on a system to "catch" all the pets in my fortress... do pressure plates need to be set to have "Citizens trigger" for pets to set it off? the wiki says "You can pick whether your own citizens will trigger the plate or not. Friendly NPCs (traders ect) count as civilians. Berserk dwarves count as enemies. "
So when they say "civilians" do they mean citizens... and if so I take it that since pets are friendly they count for this as well?
I'm honestly not sure, but you can work around this altogether by assigning size modifiers to the pressure plates. I can't recall offhand what size dwarves are (maybe 6?), but most animals will be smaller. Plus you might catch some children while you're at it! It's like the petting zoo you can never leave.
Thats what I'm doing for now... I have a smaller than dwarf trap and larger than dwarf trap... have to do it that way cause tehre are some stubborn mules following my dwarves around....
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 11, 2010, 01:36:59 am
About drafting a dwarf in and out of the military regularly (kind of 'minuteman', used only when needed), is there is a drawback or advantages of doing that compared to a permanent soldier? I wonder for example if each time he reverts to civilian there is a kind of 'soldier experience' resetting to zero, etc.
when I draft a dwarf, will he run to equip himself if he don't have what he needs?
Post by: Cheddarius on February 11, 2010, 01:40:12 am
Post by: Urist McOverlord on February 11, 2010, 01:44:01 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 11, 2010, 03:00:01 am
Did I get it?
Another question. I created a wall, just for fun. Now I want to put a door (alternatively, an hole) into it, How can I dig/put a door in a wall?
Is it true that big rooms can collapse? Do I need to put single cell walls (aka pillars?) in it?
Post by: Ashery on February 11, 2010, 04:37:35 am
ok makes sense, so at first the dwarf has not military skill, so will be a bit sad... then I wait for him to get some (how do I see that), and I can switch him out to civilian duty... then the next time I need him, as he has experience in military thing, he won't be sad?
Did I get it?
Pretty sure that's right. I tend to have a permanent military, though, so I don't have direct experience. To see if they've gained skill, just check skills like always ('v'iew them and check their skill list) and you should see dabbling wrestler, armor user, shield user, etc.
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Another question. I created a wall, just for fun. Now I want to put a door (alternatively, an hole) into it, How can I dig/put a door in a wall?
Doors are objects that take up an empty tile that's adjacent to a wall, so you don't build them into a wall. Order one built at a mason's shop and then 'b'uild the 'd'oor one it's done. (So hit 'b' and then 'd'...I just realized you probably don't know that format considering the questions being asked XD).
To create a hole in a constructed wall, 'd'esignate one of the segments for removal ('n').
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Is it true that big rooms can collapse? Do I need to put single cell walls (aka pillars?) in it?
In this version cave-ins only happen if the object/construction/etc is *completely* free-floating. A single support can hold a 20x20x20 cube of rock.
Post by: Desiderium on February 11, 2010, 04:52:31 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 11, 2010, 04:58:41 am
another one, I tried to sell talcs to the caravan (yes I'm poor) but the weight limit prevented me from doing that? Is it normal, that the caravan can't even load a piece of talc? It weighted 800 something (are they pounds?) and the max was 500.
Or caravans get bigger after a while?
What can I sell to them which is easily craftable for a newbie like me :)
Post by: geoduck on February 11, 2010, 05:14:22 am
What can I sell to them which is easily craftable for a newbie like me :)
If you want simple.. Set one of your dwarves to 'stonecrafter' skill. Designate a 'finished goods' pile. Build a craftsdwarf workshop (keys b-w-r) then set it to crank out piles of stone crafts/mugs/instruments/toys. (q-a-g-c/y/m/z) Set it to repeat, and leave the dwarf to it. By the time the next caravan arrives, you'll have a large pile of trade goods. Added bonus, some of the stone cluttering your fort will be cleared away.
There are more profitable things to make for trade, but they involve more work.
Post by: Garrie on February 11, 2010, 05:50:39 am
If he has a strange mood will it trigger on his metal skill or on his mining skill (leading him to become legendary at crafting or masonry)?
Post by: Blargityblarg on February 11, 2010, 06:02:57 am
Also, Vorpal, Mechanisms, whilst somewhat heavy, will take less keypresses to take to and sell at the depot, and the higher-qualiy ones can be made into furniture (either as levers or gear assemblies) to make your rooms more desirable, not to mention training a mechanic will mean higher quality mechanisms for weapon traps, whereas the only non-trading benefit you get from stonecrafting is obsidian swords, which only apply if you have obsidian.
Also you save wood on bins.
Wow, I really like mechanisms.
Post by: Ashery on February 11, 2010, 06:18:53 am
I "accidentally" let my novice metal/armour/weaponsmith become pretty good at mining.
If he has a strange mood will it trigger on his metal skill or on his mining skill (leading him to become legendary at crafting or masonry)?
There are moodable skills and non-moodable. Mining is simply ignored when deciding which skill is the highest.
You can actually use this to your advantage and have a bunch of haulers and/or food handlers craft sparring weapons and become dabbling weaponsmiths. As they can't get moods in their primary skills, they'll go straight for the forge instead of the craftsdwarf's workshop thanks to that wonderful 30xp.
Mechanisms work, but they have a higher weight/profit margin than stone crafts.
In my fairly mature fortress (Just hit 200+ dwarves last year) I rely on mechanisms as my primary export (~1050 per masterpiece obsidian mechanism). Other than that, I sell masses of animal skull totems and low quality crossbows (Lost my nearly legendary bowyer a couple years back so I'm training up a new one from scratch).
And caravans definitely get larger after a while. It *may* have something to do with high profits, but I could be mistaken there.
Also, rough stone is terrible to trade. Checking items in my fort, modest quality obsidian crafts will high quality turtle shell decorations weigh 13-26 and sell for 120-300, masterpiece mechanisms weigh 267 and sell for 1080, and base obsidian weighs 801 and sells for...9.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 11, 2010, 06:50:15 am
new ones:
1. in the fortress game, you can't go out of your region, i.e the playing area is restricted to less than one square on the big map?
2. the civilization list me my original dwarfish civilization, anyway to look at it on the map?
3. when I activate the designation menu, my wall section blink in green, why so?
Post by: Flaede on February 11, 2010, 09:00:20 am
thanks about the crafting things :)
new ones:
1. in the fortress game, you can't go out of your region, i.e the playing area is restricted to less than one square on the big map?
2. the civilization list me my original dwarfish civilization, anyway to look at it on the map?
3. when I activate the designation menu, my wall section blink in green, why so?
1 yes
2 I'm not sure what you're asking, but if you mean the civilization menu in the pre-embark menu, you get there by the TAB key, and can change your starting civ.
if you mean looking at the world map once you've embarked, not so much.
3 they blink green to make them distinct from the smoothed natural rock walls, which can be engraved, cannot be "deconstructed", and can also, I hear, be turned into fortifications.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 11, 2010, 09:05:23 am
Post by: assimilateur on February 11, 2010, 09:40:34 am
Mining is simply ignored when deciding which skill is the highest.
No, it isn't. I realize that probably makes sense, but mining does actually get mooded and will result in an artifact at the mason's workshop.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 11, 2010, 09:47:08 am
6 compared to 11 for Bowyer, Carpenter, Stoneworker, Mason, Woodworker and 21 for Armorer, Blacksmith, Bone Carver, Clothier, Craftsdwarf, Jeweler, Gem Cutter, Gem Setter, Glassmaker, Leatherworker, Metalcrafter, Metalsmith, Stonecrafter, Weaponsmith, Weaver, Woodcrafter
Post by: sproingie on February 11, 2010, 10:51:30 am
Wrong, I've had a legendary miner stricken by possession and went to a masons workshop and made an alunite bed.
Perfect for a noble's bedroom. With the magma-safe mod, alunite is magma-proof, making it even more perfect.
Post by: Loyal on February 11, 2010, 12:49:40 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 11, 2010, 01:22:26 pm
Perfect for a noble's bedroom.
It's laughably easy to make a room high-value with just masterwork furniture and engravings, so why the hell would you waste artifacts on a noble?
Even the part about it being magma-proof wouldn't convince me to give it to a noble, unless I had a really hard time obtaining wood for new beds.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 11, 2010, 02:13:34 pm
Perfect for a noble's bedroom.
It's laughably easy to make a room high-value with just masterwork furniture and engravings, so why the hell would you waste artifacts on a noble?
Even the part about it being magma-proof wouldn't convince me to give it to a noble, unless I had a really hard time obtaining wood for new beds.
Er, where else are you going to put an artifact bed? Your favorite tradesdwarf's room? The nobles will get upset about "pretentious living arangements".
Besides, it's not *that* simple to max out room value. I'm pretty sure I've had 4x4 rooms done by my legendary engraver not be suitable for Counts.
A lot of people make one room for all their nobles-room-requirements. An artifact or two there is the perfect way to counteract the penalty for overlapping rooms.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 11, 2010, 02:17:38 pm
for example the tile of the well in the wiki? Me do not know:
http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/File:Well_illustration.png
Post by: Rolan7 on February 11, 2010, 02:39:34 pm
How to perforate a tile in the floor like for the shaft of a well?
for example the tile of the well in the wiki? Me do not know:
http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/File:Well_illustration.png
Channel the tile. If the water is more than one z-level below, you'll have to channel all the tiles in between.
Channeling can be real confusing. I only "got it" when I saw the diagram here: http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Stair
You see, z-level of rock is actually a layer of rock floor below a layer of rock wall. When you dig, you remove the rock wall, but not the floor underneath. When you channel, you remove the floor, plus any rock wall in that tile, plus any rock wall below.
The diagram explains it better than I do I think (:
Post by: Quantum Toast on February 11, 2010, 02:44:25 pm
How to perforate a tile in the floor like for the shaft of a well?Channel it out (d, h) if it's a natural floor, deconstruct it (d, n) if it's a built one (though the material will drop down into the water).
for example the tile of the well in the wiki? Me do not know:
http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/File:Well_illustration.png
Post by: Garth on February 11, 2010, 03:14:06 pm
Throughout the life of it so far the number of wild animals and variations have been interesting. I've had cougars, dear, wolfs, and groundhogs.
Is it possible for me to capture perhaps the wolfs and/or cougars and train them up to fight for me during sieges and such? And how might I go about doing that?
As for the groundhogs: Could I maybe create a little pen for them to breed in, and just use them for food later on as I get enough?
Post by: assimilateur on February 11, 2010, 03:17:24 pm
Er, where else are you going to put an artifact bed? Your favorite tradesdwarf's room? The nobles will get upset about "pretentious living arangements".
My artifact furniture pretty much always ends up in the room of the guy who made it, and I couldn't care less about one little bad thought my nobles might have because of this (though to be fair, it's been a long time since I've played with a pop high enough to get any nobles other than dungeon masters, but what's the worst that could happen, anyway?).
Besides, it's not *that* simple to max out room value. I'm pretty sure I've had 4x4 rooms done by my legendary engraver not be suitable for Counts.
How about making larger rooms, then?
I see how giving nobles artifact furniture might make sense if you're not gonna be making anything out of precious metals to give them, but I disagree with your reasoning otherwise. Hell, even by roleplaying standards, pampering nobles with legendary furniture doesn't make sense if you're otherwise killing them at the drop of a hat (as a lot of people seem to do, if the "jokes" on this forum are to be believed).
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 11, 2010, 03:24:14 pm
If all my nobles have rooms in the top, maxed-out opulence category, does the king get an unhappy thought regardless, or is it ok as long as his room has the highest value?
i.e., for the "lesser's pretentious arrangements" or whatever thought, is it raw room value that matters, or room value category?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 11, 2010, 03:34:23 pm
If a noble mandates an export ban on bolts, and one of my marksdwarves shoots a goblin resulting in a bolt stuck in the goblin, and the goblin then flees the map, does that count as a violation of an export ban? And if so, who gets punished - the marksdwarf or the goblin? How about if an export-banned object gets stolen by a kobold?
Post by: Skorpion on February 11, 2010, 05:00:26 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 11, 2010, 05:03:04 pm
There are tower-caps in my plumbing. Any way to remove them without turning on the pumps?Cut them down?
I have a little DD problem..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Since the instructions the mod gives isn't working for me.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 11, 2010, 05:19:59 pm
There are tower-caps in my plumbing. Any way to remove them without turning on the pumps?
You have to cut them down, yeah. Not even magma will destroy trees (no kidding).
Afterwards build roads in the pipes, that will keep vegetation from growing. Floors should work too but roads use less stone. This only happened because you discovered underground water.
Post by: jayseesee on February 11, 2010, 06:18:25 pm
So on my latest embark I've decided to build an above ground level on my fortress. So I've been keeping a good eye on the surroundings.
Throughout the life of it so far the number of wild animals and variations have been interesting. I've had cougars, dear, wolfs, and groundhogs.
Is it possible for me to capture perhaps the wolfs and/or cougars and train them up to fight for me during sieges and such? And how might I go about doing that?
As for the groundhogs: Could I maybe create a little pen for them to breed in, and just use them for food later on as I get enough?
To the first question. Cage traps.
Make this, VERY large, in the center of the map, or wherever they migrate.
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WW = wall, c = cage trap.You should get tons and tons of animals, use kennels to tame them. You may need to mod them to be able to make them war animals. Then use them like dogs.
As for the groundhogs, same thing, catch em, tame em, then channel a hole at somewhere where there would be NO exits. Solid 8 walls with the hole in the center for the level under that. Designate the area around the hole as a pit. Pit all said groundhogs. Then wait. Tap the cell when you need food or hate your FPS 3-4 years later.
Post by: Skorpion on February 11, 2010, 08:07:38 pm
There are tower-caps in my plumbing. Any way to remove them without turning on the pumps?
You have to cut them down, yeah. Not even magma will destroy trees (no kidding).
Afterwards build roads in the pipes, that will keep vegetation from growing. Floors should work too but roads use less stone. This only happened because you discovered underground water.
So, there's no way to remove them without pumping all the water out?
Crap.
I think I need to get that magma-drop system worked out after all, so I can avoid yet another huge muddy patch of ground.
Post by: happydog23 on February 11, 2010, 08:15:32 pm
There are tower-caps in my plumbing. Any way to remove them without turning on the pumps?
You have to cut them down, yeah. Not even magma will destroy trees (no kidding).
Afterwards build roads in the pipes, that will keep vegetation from growing. Floors should work too but roads use less stone. This only happened because you discovered underground water.
So, there's no way to remove them without pumping all the water out?
Crap.
I think I need to get that magma-drop system worked out after all, so I can avoid yet another huge muddy patch of ground.
You can technically dig a ramp underneath them to get rid of them... However, it will fall on your miner and very likely knock him unconscious as the water falls on top of him..
There is a trick you can use if the tree is not grown yet... (and if your water is not under pressure...) If there is a rock (and rumor has it a stockpile) on top of young tower caps, they enver mature. So if you have access above where the tree is sprouting, you can dump a rock on top of it and it will be unable to mature and block your pipe as long as it is covered.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 11, 2010, 08:20:10 pm
There are tower-caps in my plumbing. Any way to remove them without turning on the pumps?Cut them down?
I have a little DD problem..Anyone willing to tell me how to install PROPERLY?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Since the instructions the mod gives isn't working for me.
Post by: happydog23 on February 11, 2010, 09:47:06 pm
There are tower-caps in my plumbing. Any way to remove them without turning on the pumps?Cut them down?
I have a little DD problem..Anyone willing to tell me how to install PROPERLY?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Since the instructions the mod gives isn't working for me.
- I'm going to assume you are on windows.
- I am going to pretend that your dwarf fortress is installed in the folder C:\DF\
So if you wanted to start the game you are going to Open C:\DF\dwarfort.exe
To install Dig Deeper:
- Open C:\DF\raw\
- Delete the objects folder.
- Open C:\DF\data\
- Delete the objects folder.
- Now open the Dig deeper Rar file.
When you open it you should see two folders, "data" and "raw" and then a "Dwarf Fortress [DIG DEEPER].txt"
- Open C:\DF\
- Drag the two folders (you can drag all three if you want) in to C:\DF\
If you get any messages about things already existing and such select the option overwrite or copy anyway.
- Dig Deeper should now be installed and will run by launching C:\DF\dwarfort.exe
And for future reference, you will often have better luck with help installing a mod if you post in the mod's thread instead of the general thread :-) Best of luck... don't let the orcs eat all of your dwarves.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 12, 2010, 02:43:23 am
Except for butchering them, why would I embark with horses, mules and such?
How can I tell a specific dwarf that it is him which should to THIS task and not another? Play extensively with Jobs list so he is the only candidate possible?
Post by: NecroRebel on February 12, 2010, 02:58:00 am
thanks for the tips on using channel. :) A last one on that, I now understand how I could build a shaft, I would put a serie of up/down stairs, and then channel/dig an adjacent column of tiles, from top to bottom? But can I make a shaft without this service stairway nearby?You can designate a ramp on the next-to-top level before digging anything out, then designate the level below that for ramping after the first ramp is dug, then designate channels until you're at the desired depth. The second ramp will block the miner's access out, and then it'll just channel the floor directly beneath them to form the shaft. Do note that unless you have a seperate access tunnel at the bottom, the miner will die of dehydration due to being stuck.
Generally, though, it's safer and overall better to dig the access stairs 2 tiles way from the shaft and just put constructed walls beside the shaft itself, since with the method above your miner might decide that he's too hungry/thirsty to finish and thus not.
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Except for butchering them, why would I embark with horses, mules and such?Butchering is the only purpose, but it doesn't have to be immediate. Embark with 2 of a given species bought with points, and you will get a breeding pair (except, of course, mules, which are sterile). Getting a guarunteed source of meat, fat, leather, bones, and skulls from the beginning can be worth it for some builds, especially if you're playing a modded race that is carnivorous or can't use cloth for whatever reason, or if you're doing a no-digging challenge where stone is too useful to waste on crafts.
quote]How can I tell a specific dwarf that it is him which should to THIS task and not another? Play extensively with Jobs list so he is the only candidate possible?[/quote]If the job is at a workshop, you can use the workshop profile (q-select the workshop-P) to limit the workshop to allow only the desired dwarf (this also works for levers). Or, since jobs appear to select the closest dwarf with the proper labor and no current job, you can attempt to make sure the desired dwarf is the closest when the job searches for a worker by leaving the job undesignated, drafting and stationing the dwarf nearby, pausing, and undrafting the dwarf and designating the job before unpausing.
Other than that, there's not really a good way to do it.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 12, 2010, 03:17:30 am
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 04:50:36 am
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Butchering is the only purpose, but it doesn't have to be immediate.
Without me looking at the new version thread - is pack animals for use within your fort coming this version?
WAGONS would be FANTASTIC but at least pack mules (possibly moving say 2 stone per trip) in a train.... we would be starting to get to something approaching "real mining".
Not that fantasy games need too much basis in reality, but hey, if the damn merchants can use pack animals to carry blocks and rocks why can't I - "Guild Secrets" or something?
Post by: assimilateur on February 12, 2010, 04:56:17 am
Getting a guarunteed source of meat, fat, leather, bones, and skulls from the beginning can be worth it for some builds, especially if you're playing a modded race that is carnivorous or can't use cloth for whatever reason, or if you're doing a no-digging challenge where stone is too useful to waste on crafts.
It's not just for some builds. I mean, isn't setting up a varied food industry pretty mainstream?
Regardless, if you want to raise livestock at all, it's best to start with at least one breeding pair of your favorite species. That is, unless you can be sure that your caravans won't be passing through terrain with extreme weather. Embarking in a freezing biome last time I played, I had most of my imported livestock arrive dead.
Post by: The Architect on February 12, 2010, 05:08:26 am
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 05:17:06 am
I mean, isn't setting up a varied food industry pretty mainstream?Although this is the Little Questions Thread and so more directed to newbies, the point of a sandbox is nobody has to do it any way.
I have a couple of builds which I never did food in at all - I bought food, I ate raw food, I bought grog & drank what I bought till it ran out. I still got to 100 dwarfs and found FUN due to things other than food. Things like insane dwarf spirals following a massacre of dwarfs by goblins. FUN, especially for the goblins.
Post by: assimilateur on February 12, 2010, 05:44:11 am
Although this is the Little Questions Thread and so more directed to newbies, the point of a sandbox is nobody has to do it any way.
I didn't exactly say anyone had to do it a certain way, only that I thought most people did do things as hassle-free and profitable as running a food industry.
It's entirely, absolutely unnecessary.
So you're saying most people prefer to import food and drink? It is my understanding that if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself; for example, the best booze is brewed by your own guys, assuming they've got some skills.
Post by: The Architect on February 12, 2010, 06:09:15 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 12, 2010, 06:40:35 am
Post by: The Architect on February 12, 2010, 06:50:57 am
It says that bringing animals on embark is unnecessary to the industries, not that the industries are unnecessary. Anyone want to not understand it further so someone can explain what the individual words mean, now that we've done the phrases :)
Post by: Suds Zimmerman on February 12, 2010, 06:57:58 am
...not that the industries are unnecessary.
...bringing animals at embark is absolutely unnecessary to a meat, leather, tallow and bones industry. Not only that, but all of those industries are absolutely unnecessary.
Post by: The Architect on February 12, 2010, 07:04:39 am
"unnecessary to a ... industry". It's English, I'm sure of it. It doesn't say anything about the necessity of the industries. Though no, they are not at all necessary. They're fluff right now.
Post by: Suds Zimmerman on February 12, 2010, 07:37:22 am
It doesn't say anything about the necessity of the industries.
all of those industries are absolutely unnecessary.
Post by: assimilateur on February 12, 2010, 08:04:14 am
I said bringing animals at embark is absolutely unnecessary to a meat, leather, tallow and bones industry.
I can think of an exception to that, so while I more or less agree with the above statement, I'd probably rephrase it to say "generally" and not "absolutely" unnecessary.
There's potential situations where you won't be able to trap any potential livestock (when in an evil biome) nor get any from caravans (when you're in a freezing [and, I think, scorching] biome, or have one between you and your caravans).
Even in less extreme circumstances, if you care about the quality of your livestock, embarking with things like camels is the only reliable way of obtaining them unless you embark in just the right biome.
Not only that, but all of those industries are absolutely unnecessary.
What is and what isn't necessary is hardly an argument if you keep in mind that you could theoretically, though perhaps not very reliably, sustain your dwarves by only foraging and/or hunting.
You could say the same about almost every industry, namely that it's unnecessary and that you could rely on importing its products (or ignore it altogether), but that says little about the merits of running such an industry yourself.
It doesn't say anything about the necessity of the industries.all of those industries are absolutely unnecessary.
Cut the crap, he posted the latter part after the supposed misunderstanding initially arose. You're beating a dead horse.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 12, 2010, 12:31:05 pm
Also, given that leather is cheap and easy to import in large amounts, invaders can provide bones and skulls, and farming can provide a decent variety and plenty of quantity of food, I'll agree with The Architect; animals are not really necessary for animal-product industries. And, if one so desires, one can do without bone and leather works, so while they are of course useful they aren't, strictly speaking, necessary as such.
Anyway, back to actual questions!
Without me looking at the new version thread - is pack animals for use within your fort coming this version?I don't believe so. I'm pretty sure that's part of the Caravan development arc, which will involve making caravans actually move about the world map instead of just appearing at your fort as well as allowing you to create caravans from your own fort. Use of pack animals, minecarts, and other material-carrying aids is suggested fairly often because of how useful and realistic it would be, but hasn't been done yet.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 12, 2010, 03:02:36 pm
How to unassign them from a dwarf?
Will they engage an enemy if not assigned?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 12, 2010, 03:10:33 pm
How to unassign them from a dwarf?You don't.
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Will they engage an enemy if not assigned?Only if they happen to come withing line of sight of the enemy. Otherwise they'll either follow your animal trainer around, or hang out at the meeting room.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 12, 2010, 05:45:32 pm
Do I need to leave space around my workshops? If yes, there is a specific entry/exit point into the workshop which must be clear?
How do you handle the massive amount of rocks excavated? Should I designate exterior stockpiles for all of the low end stuff?
And if I create a custom stockpile for some rocks, while some stockpiles are for all rocks, will the special rocks be placed preferably in their custom stockpile, or not?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 12, 2010, 05:51:50 pm
When you build a workshop, there will be a pattern of light green and dark green Xs. The dark green Xs are impassible areas of the workshop. So make sure that when you build a workshop the center tile is accessible to the outside.
If you put space around your workshops, you never need to worry about this problem.
Post by: jayseesee on February 12, 2010, 05:52:35 pm
Post by: Rat Of Wisdom on February 12, 2010, 06:10:08 pm
How do you handle the massive amount of rocks excavated? Should I designate exterior stockpiles for all of the low end stuff?
Some players consider this an exploit, but especially for stone it's highly useful: designate a small (as small as 1x1) activ(i)ty zone, mark it as a (g)arbage dump, (a)ctivate it and make sure any other garbage dumps you have are inactive. Then designate for (d)umping all the stone that's in your way (the hard way, by loo(k)ing at each tile with stone on it and marking each one individually, the less-than-hard way by selecting a dump designation (d-b-d), or the easy but perhaps too comprehensive way of going to the z-stocks screen, finding that kind of stone and designating all of it in your entire fortress).
This preserves your stone for making crafts out of, so you might want to make the dump zone somewhere near your masons'/craftsdorfs'/mechanic's workshops. Another option is to use a dwarven atom smasher, which eliminates the stone so it doesn't cause you lag (essentially a 2x1 raising bridge at the smallest, over solid floor, which crushes anything under it out of existence when it comes down).
And if I create a custom stockpile for some rocks, while some stockpiles are for all rocks, will the special rocks be placed preferably in their custom stockpile, or not?
I don't know, but I suspect the pathfinding involved here may be slightly odd; I think things get placed in the closest stockpile that accepts them, so that may turn out to be either one depending on where the target stone is to begin with. You can edit stockpile settings on-the-fly, though, the same way you add tasks to a workshop (the q key) so I'd suggest simply making a specialized stockpile for the stone and then disabling it on your other stone stockpiles (if you end up using them at all: see above method).
Post by: Rolan7 on February 12, 2010, 06:24:19 pm
How do you handle the massive amount of rocks excavated? Should I designate exterior stockpiles for all of the low end stuff?
Some players consider this an exploit, but especially for stone it's highly useful: designate a small (as small as 1x1) activ(i)ty zone, mark it as a (g)arbage dump, (a)ctivate it and make sure any other garbage dumps you have are inactive. Then designate for (d)umping all the stone that's in your way (the hard way, by loo(k)ing at each tile with stone on it and marking each one individually, the less-than-hard way by selecting a dump designation (d-b-d), or the easy but perhaps too comprehensive way of going to the z-stocks screen, finding that kind of stone and designating all of it in your entire fortress).
This preserves your stone for making crafts out of, so you might want to make the dump zone somewhere near your masons'/craftsdorfs'/mechanic's workshops. Another option is to use a dwarven atom smasher, which eliminates the stone so it doesn't cause you lag (essentially a 2x1 raising bridge at the smallest, over solid floor, which crushes anything under it out of existence when it comes down).
Good explanation. The next step is to "reclaim" the stone, since it'll be "forbidden" after it is dumped. You can do this with d-b-something (just like marking an area of stone for dumping, mark the dump tile "reclaimed"), or use the z-stocks screen and press 'f' on the 'F'orbidden stones. Until you do this, it'll be forbidden, which means it won't be used for anything at all.
One minor side affect of all this dumping: if you somehow mark a workshop's component stone for dumping (the stocks screen method will do this), the workshop will work still fine. If you ever disassemble the workshop however, the dwarves will dump the material.
And if I create a custom stockpile for some rocks, while some stockpiles are for all rocks, will the special rocks be placed preferably in their custom stockpile, or not?
I don't know, but I suspect the pathfinding involved here may be slightly odd; I think things get placed in the closest stockpile that accepts them, so that may turn out to be either one depending on where the target stone is to begin with. You can edit stockpile settings on-the-fly, though, the same way you add tasks to a workshop (the q key) so I'd suggest simply making a specialized stockpile for the stone and then disabling it on your other stone stockpiles (if you end up using them at all: see above method).
Pretty sure they go to the nearest applicable stockpile, yeah.
To have the stones go to the more specific stockpile, either:
1) Deselect the special stone type from all other stone stockpiles, so it'll only have one place to go
or
2) Have the special stockpile "Take from stockpile", and select the normal stockpile. Dwarves may still bring things to the normal stockpile first, but then they'll shift special stones to the special stockpile. I use this a lot.
Post by: Rat Of Wisdom on February 12, 2010, 06:32:38 pm
The next step is to "reclaim" the stone, since it'll be "forbidden" after it is dumped.
Hey, I had the feeling I might've forgotten something.
One minor side affect of all this dumping: if you somehow mark a workshop's component stone for dumping (the stocks screen method will do this), the workshop will work still fine. If you ever disassemble the workshop however, the dwarves will dump the material.
And hey, this reminds me. I viewed the i(t)ems in my smelters one time, and for some reason forbade the stone used to build them, and from then on the non-floor tiles of the workshop (not just the impassable ones, I mean the ones that looked like something other than the ground) showed up highlighted as forbidden whenever I used designations, and the dwarves didn't use them until I unforbade the building stone. The job manager never queued any tasks to them either, so whether it was intentional or not it's a good way to keep certain workshops from being used.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 12, 2010, 06:52:06 pm
How can I park all these stupids animals? I have an ox on my dinning table, puppies playing on barrels of beer and a camel looking over the shoulder of my carpenter (and his breath his foul*)
*: carpenter's breath I mean ;)
Post by: Flaede on February 12, 2010, 07:00:04 pm
How can I park all these stupids animals?cages. butchers.
those are your options.
well, that or deisgnating your bottomless cavern as a "pit" and "pitting" the animals. (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Activity_zone#Pit.2FPond)
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 12, 2010, 07:09:57 pm
Also, the wiki indicates that cage should be used on an animal stockpile, but I did not do that, I defined the cage as part of a room (a zoo?) and the selected animals went in...
So for what things are used animals stockpile? to park them without cage?
Post by: Rolan7 on February 12, 2010, 07:18:02 pm
I managed to cage one dromadery, one ox and 6 horses into a single cage, is it a problem?
Nah, that's normal. Seems to be the intended behavior for now.
Also, the wiki indicates that cage should be used on an animal stockpile, but I did not do that, I defined the cage as part of a room (a zoo?) and the selected animals went in...
So for what things are used animals stockpile? to park them without cage?
The animal stockpile holds cages that haven't been built as buildings. When you buy an animal from a trader, or capture one in a cage trap, the cage containing that animal is hauled to an animal stockpile.
Animals will last forever in cages, don't worry about them. They won't breed, but surprisingly they will give birth if already pregnant.
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 07:26:27 pm
<snip>[various discussion about the fundamental nature of sandbox games]</snip>Thank you.
Anyway, back to actual questions!Without me looking at the new version thread - is pack animals for use within your fort coming this version?I don't believe so. I'm pretty sure that's part of the Caravan development arc, which will involve making caravans actually move about the world map instead of just appearing at your fort as well as allowing you to create caravans from your own fort. Use of pack animals, minecarts, and other material-carrying aids is suggested fairly often because of how useful and realistic it would be, but hasn't been done yet.
Crap.
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 07:31:23 pm
How do you handle the massive amount of rocks excavated? Should I designate exterior stockpiles for all of the low end stuff?
Some players consider this an exploit, but especially for stone it's highly useful:
One other thing that works nicely: you will notice that say a Kennel is easily built by anyone with Animal Trainer enabled. So if you have a 5x5 area you want clear, activate Animal Trainer on one of your haulers and set them to build a Kennel. Hauler will clear rock from a 5x5 area - if you wish you can put a row of them next to each other.
(it might be best if you make sure you haven't go any "train animal" tasks active at the time!)
In a room 5 tiles wid by ? tiles long you will end up with a bunch of rocks on one row of tiles. Which is where you build your mechanics/stone crafter / masons workshop.
Post by: Steev on February 12, 2010, 07:33:55 pm
I have a massive list of hauling jobs due to training new Siege Operators and starting Operation: Deforestation after I got 3 Wood Cutters and those damned Elves didn't show up.
So what ends up is that my fortress is now full of Urist McRetard's who decide that it is better to haul a stone than dump the now miasma causing roach remains.
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Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 07:45:39 pm
How can I optimize hauling?
I have a massive list of hauling jobs due to training new Siege Operators and starting Operation: Deforestation after I got 3 Wood Cutters and those damned Elves didn't show up.
So what ends up is that my fortress is now full of Urist McRetard's who decide that it is better to haul a stone than dump the now miasma causing roach remains.
Kill all your stone & wood stockpiles. Mark stuff for dumping instead. You will usually dump a few 10x10 blocks at once.
Set up things like asheries out in the woods, so you can haul bins of ash instead of individual logs.
Use junk stone to train your siege operators instead of hauling it. Just launch it to a trench underneath your mason/stonecrafter/smelters. (make sure there is noone wandering that corridor at the time!)
Haul in waves: use a manager to wipe out all the hauling except for one (refuse, food, stone, wood, items in turns not altogether at the same time). When you have hauled enough wood, tell them to haul stone.
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 07:50:24 pm
thanks a lot!The favored option seems to be:
How can I park all these stupids animals? I have an ox on my dinning table, puppies playing on barrels of beer and a camel looking over the shoulder of my carpenter (and his breath his foul*)
Dig a pit 5 or so layers deep.
On a couple of the levels build retracting bridges that take up 1/4 to 1/3 of the width.
Mark the top as a pit. Have all the bridges "extended".
Build your butchers shop and tanners shop at the bottom of the stack.
Put levers in there for the bridges.
Put lever operated door on the bottom level.
Mark the floor as "refuse stockpile" for dead animals.
When the butcher walks in and pulls the lever animals fall down & die. Assign butcher dead animal / repeat.
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 07:59:43 pm
Are you doomed to go around individually marking them to be dumped (I hide them as I go so I know to forget about them) for as long as you have live cats onsite? Is there a labour that does automatically go around picking them up BEFORE they decompose into miasma?
Post by: happydog23 on February 12, 2010, 08:07:09 pm
WTF is the go with dead bugs?
Are you doomed to go around individually marking them to be dumped (I hide them as I go so I know to forget about them) for as long as you have live cats onsite? Is there a labour that does automatically go around picking them up BEFORE they decompose into miasma?
As long as you have a refuse pile and dwarves with refuse hauling turned on, if they are not all busy, one will come and pick it up and dispose of it properly.
Other options include getting rid of cats, outdoor fortress, or insane building designs so miasma isn't an issue
Post by: Bauglir on February 12, 2010, 08:10:46 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on February 12, 2010, 08:11:33 pm
The best advice is what the others said already: get rid of stone and wood hauling jobs which are taking up your haulers' time. If they have nothing else to do, they'll usually go ahead and move the refuse.
Just had an idea: You may want to designate a few dwarves as dedicated refuse haulers, removing all their other jobs. This could really help on a large fortress.
Edit: I was responding to Garrie, not Bauglir. I've had Bauglir's problem and I have no idea how to fix it :/ my dwarves just seem to avoid hauling bones inside, *sometimes*.
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 08:14:36 pm
It seems to me that they only do this after the bug has gone rotten & released miasma. But yeah I probably don't have enough haulers sitting on their ass just doing Refuse Hauling at any 1 time.
As long as you have a refuse pile and dwarves with refuse hauling turned on, if they are not all busy, one will come and pick it up and dispose of it properly.
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 08:16:00 pm
So, I've just killed a titan, ...
Check your orders: are you ignoring / forbidding refuse that is outside? Auto-forbidding the bodies of dead enemy? etc.
Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 08:17:38 pm
If I set it to 0 barrels.
Does that mean that as barrels become empty they will be hauled away?
I seem to end up with drink stockpiles full of empty barrels, and ***cluttered*** stills.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 12, 2010, 08:29:32 pm
So, I've just killed a titan, but nobody moved the body to my dump site OR refuse pile set to accept corpses/body parts/etc.Type o-r-o to to enable collecting refuse from outside.
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Post by: Garrie on February 12, 2010, 09:39:37 pm
Every aquifer tile leaks water constantly in all four cardinal directions until mined out or smoothed. So in your example the six squares you dig out will still flood with water from the undug aquifer tiles to the north and south. If the X tiles are up/down stairs, they'll also be full of water from all the aquifer tiles on all sides of them since stairs don't stop water.OK - my goal here is to have pumps above the W's. I'm trying to avoid a field of up/down stairs to get through 3 z-levels of aquifer.
I've specifically looked for an embark point with wood, aquifer, magma, flux stone - and what I got was a marsh with an aquifer at least 3 z-levels deep.
Might be even deeper - it was 3 soil levels. If the soil levels are a couple of z-levels each, this is going to be a good lesson for me. Which is what I was after.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 12, 2010, 11:23:28 pm
Do I need to leave space around my workshops? If yes, there is a specific entry/exit point into the workshop which must be clear?One more minor detail about workshop space -- some workshops create more hauling jobs than others. Having walkable space around the workshops allows for more doors or stairs, which cut down on the time that haulers spend trying and failing to avoid pathing over each other.
Dig a pit 5 or so layers deep.Tame animals that die from anything other than being butchered will be left to rot, so you won't get anything but bones and skulls from your puppies. My preferred method for butchering tame animals is--
On a couple of the levels build retracting bridges that take up 1/4 to 1/3 of the width.
Mark the top as a pit. Have all the bridges "extended".
Build your butchers shop and tanners shop at the bottom of the stack.
Put levers in there for the bridges.
Put lever operated door on the bottom level.
Mark the floor as "refuse stockpile" for dead animals.
When the butcher walks in and pulls the lever animals fall down & die. Assign butcher dead animal / repeat.
1. Put all animals in a cage next to the butchery.
2. Put all new births in the cage as necessary.
3. Once the birth announcements die down, do one of the following:
4a. Let the adults out for a few moments to breed, then return to step 1.
4b. Starting from the top of the Animals list, butcher enough adults of each species to drop the species' population to below 50, then return to step 4a.
Post by: Garrie on February 13, 2010, 12:57:46 am
Tame animals that die from anything other than being butchered will be left to rot, so you won't get anything but bones and skulls from your puppies.Then maybe, as I said, but for tame animals, make sure they only drop 1x z-level at a time? They won't die from that (very often).
It does mean only pitting the breeding pairs once.
Post by: Ashery on February 13, 2010, 01:05:12 am
My final solution will be to tie two males (In case of death due to old age) and around 20-25 females for each species to ropes and butcher the newborns immediately after birth. Yea, you get less bones/meat/fat, but a) the design is simple as hell, b) the only thing the bone count affects is the number of bone bolts produced, and I already have an enormous stockpile (Currently around 6400 bone bolts stockpiled), c) the loss of a couple meat per stack is unimportant (Most of my cooked food ends up rotting in the kitchens anyways as I'm mainly training my cooks at the moment) and d) it may actually result in *more* total meat/bones being produced due to the fact that you can be near the animal pop cap and have constant births from every potential mother.
My three butchers have a combined experience total of 23k xp in butchery (11, 9, 3). Hell, I even recently turned off food hauling for the primary butcher in order to get through the backlog. Note that I have two butcher shops that are working almost around the clock and that third butcher was only added fairly recently. In general, my "Butcher" dwarves only have butchering, tanning, leather working, and food hauling enabled. The recent addition, however, has leather working disabled as the other two get little enough experience in that profession as is.
For now, my nearly 200 breeding animals just mill around my tiny, temporary 13x5 meeting area/dining room. Note that that space is shared with 217 dwarves, heh. They should be tied up within a couple years once my stockpile levels are finished.
Re: Hauling:
I just use general haulers for the most part. For dwarves not dedicated to generalized hauler duties, anyone working with food has everything but food hauling disabled (Food is the only hauling duty I consider to be time sensitive) and the other dwarves typically either have all hauling disabled (Like my four active bonecarvers (One other that's +5 legendary)) that have an endless supply of bones or have all "domestic" (read: safe) hauling jobs enabled if they're a skilled dwarf that has frequent downtime (eg. furnace operators between goblinite deliveries).
For general haulers, of which 35 out of my 217 dwarves are, all hauling jobs are enabled and they have pump operating enabled to both train up their stats and give them legendary status in order to avoid economy issues.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 02:52:37 am
You are great guys, I mean you know things plus you share them!
Now enough flattery ;)
1. Can thieves pass thru locked doors? I guess yes.
2. Are goblin thieves arriving by teleport before the fortress as I believe or do they sneak from the border of the map and get spotted only when they arrive.
3. Is it a good idea to unleash caged war dogs upon them when they pass an entry point, or do I muster militia (yes I'm a real newbie sorry)
4. Are the monsters on the map spawning or when they are dead, there is no one left but monsters arriving by events (I mean goblin sieges and such)
Post by: darkflagrance on February 13, 2010, 03:08:20 am
wow, if only a quarter of what is said here were put into the wiki :)
You are great guys, I mean you know things plus you share them!
Now enough flattery ;)
1. Can thieves pass thru locked doors? I guess yes.
2. Are goblin thieves arriving by teleport before the fortress as I believe or do they sneak from the border of the map and get spotted only when they arrive.
3. Is it a good idea to unleash caged war dogs upon them when they pass an entry point, or do I muster militia (yes I'm a real newbie sorry)
4. Are the monsters on the map spawning or when they are dead, there is no one left but monsters arriving by events (I mean goblin sieges and such)
1. Lockpicker thieves can bypass locked doors - kobolds, not goblins.
2. They are from the map edge
3. Up to you; either works. Best is to chain a war dog so that it guard the entrance and reveals/savages the thief. Three tile wide hallways require 2 dogs.
4. There are a set number of wild creatures per map and they can be exhausted. There is an unlimited number of goblins or any other civilized creature, however, because those are generated the moment their event causes them to arrive on the map.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 13, 2010, 03:15:21 am
wow, if only a quarter of what is said here were put into the wiki :)More than you probably think is on the wiki; one just has to know where to look and be able to interpret the information correctly. This, unfortunately, usually takes quite a bit of experience.
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1. Can thieves pass thru locked doors? I guess yes.Kobolds can, goblins can't. It has to do with the [LOCKPICKER] tag. Goblin thieves aren't even immune to traps, though goblin master thieves have a very good chance of avoiding them.
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2. Are goblin thieves arriving by teleport before the fortress as I believe or do they sneak from the border of the map and get spotted only when they arrive.All creatures spawn only at the edge of the map after embark. The goblin thieves sneak in from your borders to attempt to find your children.
Now, there is a bug involving non-square maps where this isn't the case. If your map isn't exactly square, the game will choose a square and for some purposes treat the borders of that square as if they were map borders, including the purpose of enemy spawns. This can, in fact, lead to creatures suddenly appearing in the middle of your fort, but if you play only on square maps, it isn't a problem.
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3. Is it a good idea to unleash caged war dogs upon them when they pass an entry point, or do I muster militia (yes I'm a real newbie sorry)There's no need to apologize; this game is hard to figure out.
Thieves will, when detected, immediately do everything in their power to get off the map, even if they haven't stolen anything yet. Since thieves tend to be faster than your dogs or dwarves, it's often impossible to catch them unless they're in the middle of your fort, so unleashing the hounds probably isn't a good idea since you'd have to rebuild the cage, relink it to the lever, and recage the dogs.
The best way to handle thieves is to have all entrances to your fort be 3 tiles wide or less and chain an animal on either side of the entrance. This makes it so that it is impossible for a creature to get into your fort without being adjacent to someone, which detects them, which makes thieves flee harmlessly. This also provides a good warning system against ambushes, limiting your losses to only the dogs which are relatively expendable compared to dwarves.
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4. Are the monsters on the map spawning or when they are dead, there is no one left but monsters arriving by events (I mean goblin sieges and such)I'm... not sure what you mean. Some creatures are associated with map features; fire imps in magma, carp in rivers, and the like. These do not respawn once captured or killed. There are also creatures that are associated with no feature that come from off the map, which can include things like deer and wild horses but can also include werewolves and other 'monsters.' These have limited numbers, but the majority are off-map and will appear to respawn for a while as you kill or capture them. Then there are people who come from off-map as traders, ambushers, thieves, siegers, and migrants, which are believed to be limitless, and megabeasts, which are strictly limited in number (usually half a dozen or less for a whole world after generation).
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 03:36:29 am
I guess caged dogs don't spot sneakers? I still don't know how to make leashes, it is just the matter of having a leather workshop?
I have another problem (yet), I have some precious minerals in the outdoor (at the place of my former depot, I wanted to know how much the merchant would pay for them), but the dwarves don't put them back in my stone stockpile... I tried to see if there was an (o)ption like 'don't pick up outdoor minerals' that I forgot but it seems not... what is the setting I'm missing?
Post by: Ashery on February 13, 2010, 03:50:22 am
You just construct the rope in a clothier's shop or the chain in a forge and then 'b'uild the restraint. Once a dwarf completes the task, you can assign any individual animal to the restraint and it stays within one tile of the restraint.
Not sure about the last question...Only thing I can think of is that your stockpile is full, but that would've likely been obvious to you if it were the case. Is it still flagged in the trade depot's menu as ready for sale? (Or whatever the hell the exact status is called).
Post by: Odd!x on February 13, 2010, 03:59:16 am
now does he mean horn as in the organic kind or raw horn silver?
Post by: DDR on February 13, 2010, 04:01:06 am
Leashes are called 'chains' or 'rope', and are built by selecting the 'restraints' option in the build menu, as Ashery said. I /think/ the keys are bv{enter}.
Spoiler: "Strategy" (click to show/hide)
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 04:34:02 am
1. I have set a meeting hall... is it different from a dinning hall, or must I have one room for each?
2. I have added chairs, tables and one statue. Is the number for each has an impact on anything?
3. I then added even more chairs/tables... here is the confusion. I can (q) the table and it proposes me to make another meeting hall, overlaping the first meeting hall (which already include all furnitures in its 'blue X' area). Is it needed or not? Said differently, as I defined the first meeting hall to encompass everything in the room, are new furnitures added included automatically or must I 'merge' their use into the first defined meeting hall? (I know my sentences may appear awkwards!).
4. I have miasma from little lizards which seem to magically appears into my food stockpile? Are they sneaking past my dogs or what? How can I counter that? Lock cats into the stockpile so they kill them asap, and then pray a dwarf will pick up the remnants before it smells foul? ... in fact the problem is not killing them asap, the cats does that now I think about that. So perhaps I should have a dwarf on haul refuse and nothing else?
By the way, for my stockpile question, thanks! It was in fact gems, both indoor and outdoor. I had to set a gem stockpile, then for the gems outside I had to put them on claim I believe. Now all is good.
Post by: Ashery on February 13, 2010, 04:56:12 am
2) The statues just add value to the room, afaik, and you generally want to keep the tables and chairs together in pairs. Don't double up a table with two chairs as dwarves will then complain about the lack of tables.
3) Just expand the original dining room designation to cover all the tables and you should be good.
4) Vermin spawn anywhere. I generally don't assign dwarves to pure refuse duty as I usually have enough general haulers to get everything done. Honestly, I'd prefer just to ignore them and take the minor negative thought a few dwarves would have. The vermin are harmless and actually can provide food for your dwarves if they're starving. Cats, while the kill them, force you to have haulers that will get rid of the refuse before it generates miasma. Just make sure you have a refuse stockpile outside that accepts the corpses of vermin (just leave it on the default settings).
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 05:38:13 am
Now that I see I have 8 chairs for 4 tables, how do I remove excess chairs? I tried the remove building menu from designation, it don't work.
Post by: Ashery on February 13, 2010, 05:42:20 am
That's how you remove most buildings, actually.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 06:12:04 am
Post by: Garrie on February 13, 2010, 06:43:38 am
but they are not building they are chairs, so query don't work on them I think.To add to your confusion... all furniture are defined as buildings.
Think about it: to put the chair there you used the sequence uild [c]hair - ie, the chair has been uilt - ie it is now a uilding (same with other furniture which is built - this does not include things like "barrels" which you never build).
Post by: Sphalerite on February 13, 2010, 09:36:45 am
ok, so my mayor likes 'horn' right? He currently thinks his superbly designed, furniture stocked bedroom is poor so I want to put some stuff he like in there, which includes 'horn'He means the organic kind. Which AFAIK is currently impossible to actually find in the game, even though the material is defined as existing there's no way to get horn from animals at the moment. So your mayor is pining for something that he can never have. This will be fixed in the next major release.
now does he mean horn as in the organic kind or raw horn silver?
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 10:41:37 am
As I want to control the population of animals (and their whereabouts), would it be a good idea (it must be simple, I'm a newbie which know nothing of levers and mechanical devices) to create a room with a cage in it, ask dogs to come, then release them within the room? the room would have doors which won't let animals pass also.
This way the animals would be restrained in a single place where they can breed. If I need some, I cage them then move the cage (if I can) or do a trick with a door lock or something to catch some...
Now, how can i dispose of a pet animal (the ones following their master), it is annoying. I heard I had to set a trap which will crush the animal while it moves toward his master, something like that?
Post by: Ashery on February 13, 2010, 11:15:22 am
For pets you'll want a single tile wide corridor that is a dead end. At the end you'll have a lever and on the approach you'll have a line of the spike traps linked up to the lever. Change the permissions on the lever such that the pet owner is the only one that can use it and then 'P'ull the lever and set it to 'r'epeat.
I may be wrong there as well, though, as I don't personally do that.
Post by: Thorik on February 13, 2010, 11:39:55 am
Post by: Bauglir on February 13, 2010, 11:54:49 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 12:57:18 pm
I brought 2 cows for breeding purposes, and built a meeting hall a few stairways down and made it a meeting area, my dogs and my horse went there, but the cows are just walking around outside, how do I get them in? can they only go on ramps?
cage them in the place you want them to be (a room without pet access so they don't exit)
Post by: Spong on February 13, 2010, 01:03:44 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 01:07:56 pm
I have ordered an ox to be 'ready for slaughter', and it is killed rapidly, in a room which has a butchery. I order the butchery to work, and it says I have no animals to use ? What's give?
Post by: Skorpion on February 13, 2010, 01:22:11 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 01:46:06 pm
Post by: Thorik on February 13, 2010, 01:48:04 pm
Post by: Garth on February 13, 2010, 02:00:26 pm
He demands bones, and I have a refuse stockpile FULL of bones. He doesn't seem to want to go get them himself.
How can I get him to get the bones himself? Or do I need to build a specialized stockpile right next to the workshop he's claimed so he notices them?
Post by: assimilateur on February 13, 2010, 02:05:10 pm
I have ordered an ox to be 'ready for slaughter', and it is killed rapidly, in a room which has a butchery. I order the butchery to work, and it says I have no animals to use ? What's give?
It worked fine: just killing the animal was all the work a butcher does in this situation (hunted animals will be carried to the butchery for processing, but an animal that's killed at the butchery is already processed). You should see the animals meat, fat, skin, chunks, skull and bones at the butchery.
Meat can be eaten raw or cooked, fat processed into tallow and made into soap, cooked or eaten raw, skin has to be processed at a tanner into leather, chunks will be taken to a refuse pile or dumped (in order for chunks to be dumped, you have to look into your standing orders and set the "dwarves dump other" order), skulls and bones will be taken to a refuse pile (though you could dump them as well via the relevant standing order; I recommend doing so with skulls once your bonecarver reaches legendary, because totems aren't worth much; bones, however, are useful for making ammunition). If left at the butchery for too long, those things will rot, stink up the room and eventually dissolve (bones and skulls are an exception, those only rot outside).
(a room without pet access so they don't exit)
Make sure the room is closed via more than one means. You should put a lever-triggered door or floodgate between the pet-forbidden door and the livestock, because merely having blocking their access via a so-called tightly-closed door is a source of lag, and is also liable to let out all of your animals at the drop of a hat (they congregate at such a door, constantly trying to path through it).
I've got blacksmirth in a mood....
He demands bones, and I have a refuse stockpile FULL of bones. He doesn't seem to want to go get them himself.
How can I get him to get the bones himself? Or do I need to build a specialized stockpile right next to the workshop he's claimed so he notices them?
First off, you have to make sure he can reach that refuse stockpile. Secondly, check to see if those bones aren't forbidden.
Other than that, you don't need to place a stockpile right next to a moody dwarf. They will fetch their ingredients from across the map if need be, as long as they can be reached (check and double-check your standing orders in case you had forbidden your dwarves from going outside).
Another thing that comes to mind is that dwarves will sometimes prefer a given type (or rather subtype) of item. I don't know if this applies to all types of items - I thought it only applied for metals - but you should check whether your dwarf likes a specific kind of bone you don't have around right now.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 13, 2010, 02:07:33 pm
I've got blacksmirth in a mood....
He demands bones, and I have a refuse stockpile FULL of bones. He doesn't seem to want to go get them himself.
How can I get him to get the bones himself? Or do I need to build a specialized stockpile right next to the workshop he's claimed so he notices them?
I doubt the bones are what's holding him up.
You can compare his demands ('q' over the workshop) with what he's gathered so far ('t' over the workshop, scroll to the bottom) to figure out what he's missing, because dwarves gather items for moods in the order that they list them in their demands.
So find what's holding him up and try to provide it for him.
Post by: assimilateur on February 13, 2010, 02:15:49 pm
I doubt the bones are what's holding him up.
You're probably right, but do I assume correctly that having a preference for, e.g. elephant bone, would keep a guy from using cow bone? Or does that only hold true for metals?
Post by: Thorik on February 13, 2010, 02:22:45 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 13, 2010, 02:33:35 pm
did I make the right choice for breeding animals? I figured it was either cow or muskox, since they give most bones/meat/fat that my civ can get, which one breeds faster, muskox or cow? It's autumn and the cows haven't had babies, but on other maps, my muskox couple had kids in summer.
I thought all animals bred at the same rate (i.e. the pregnancy lasted the same time, litters might depend on raws, but should be the same for most animals), but I've never paid enough attention to it.
One thing has to be said about your choice: next time, choose muskoxen. From my experience, they're the same value for your money, but cows can be ordered from the dwarves* (probably even humans, I forgot), whereas getting muskoxen post-embark depends on your luck in catching them or having elves bring them.
* Note that animals brought by caravans can sometimes not survive the trip if there's a freezing (or perhaps scorching) biome on the way between you and the traders' homelands. Accordingly, cows may end up being impossible to import after all, in which case you're no worse off due to having your muskoxen from the start.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 13, 2010, 02:44:37 pm
I doubt the bones are what's holding him up.
You're probably right, but do I assume correctly that having a preference for, e.g. elephant bone, would keep a guy from using cow bone? Or does that only hold true for metals?
I think that only holds true for metals. I haven't seen or can't recall an instance where a mood required a specific type of bone.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 03:03:20 pm
At which level a soldier can be switched in and out of military without each time generating an unhappy thought? Is Wrestler or marksman level 1 enough for that?
Post by: Particleman on February 13, 2010, 03:07:24 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 13, 2010, 03:33:09 pm
Storage:
How can I know what is in a particular bin, with 'k' it don't work ?
Puppies:
It seems puppies are so small they pass through 'no pet can pass' doors, this is normal?
Post by: Thorik on February 13, 2010, 03:33:50 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 13, 2010, 03:45:37 pm
Storage:
How can I know what is in a particular bin, with 'k' it don't work ?
'k' over the bin. Select it using +-*/. Hit enter. Then you will see the contents of the bin.
Puppies:
It seems puppies are so small they pass through 'no pet can pass' doors, this is normal?
All animals can slip through open doors even if they're marked as pet impassable. Since dwarves don't close doors immediately after they pass through, some animals can get through.
Post by: assimilateur on February 13, 2010, 03:46:42 pm
eh, I'm just nervous that the cows will die before they breed, it's second year and they've done nothin'! Meanwhile... I get clothing industry up
Seems like something's wrong, then. As far as I remember, all of the animals I embark with - assuming I've got breeding pairs of them - reproduce by first autumn or even late summer.
Thanks Particleman.
Storage:
How can I know what is in a particular bin, with 'k' it don't work ?
Puppies:
It seems puppies are so small they pass through 'no pet can pass' doors, this is normal?
Re. storage: I think you can use k and then press enter on the bin or barrel. I'd have to check, it's been one or two weeks since I last played DF, and I find this sort of interface business easier retained via muscle memory, as opposed to visual memory (which makes it harder to tell people how to do things).
Re. puppies: Last time I did anything with tightly-closed doors, kittens weren't able to pass through them. It wouldn't make sense for puppies to work differently, so I figure you must have missed something (namely, that the door got briefly opened by a dwarf).
Post by: Skorpion on February 13, 2010, 06:06:24 pm
How the hell do I skip through sleeping?
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 13, 2010, 06:17:51 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 13, 2010, 06:38:44 pm
How do I get a "blank" version of the world I'm currently playing? I'd like to start a fort over again.
When playing in fortress mode, there's gonna be an option starting with the word "export", I think (if not, it's descriptive enough to be recognizable as being relevant). It enables you to generate several files pertaining to your world, one of which will contain the exact worldgen data, seeds included.
Post by: Thorik on February 13, 2010, 06:47:41 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 13, 2010, 07:04:28 pm
Adventurer mode.
How the hell do I skip through sleeping?
I don't think you can.
So don't go to sleep. There's no reason to anyway.
Post by: Skorpion on February 13, 2010, 07:07:25 pm
Where the hell did the fort's military go on abandon? I left them outside, and they had all the adamantine hammers.
(Hammer question excised, I found one of the fancy steel ones. That'll do as a stopgap.)
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 13, 2010, 07:15:03 pm
Is it better to use a no-quality steel warhammer with Proficient skill, or an exceptional adamantine mace or axe with no skill whatsoever?
EDIT:
Or, alternatively, where the hell did the fort's military go on abandon? I left them outside, and they had all the adamantine hammers.
The adamantine mace or axe would probably be more effective than the no quality steel warhammer. The 5x damage boost (compared to iron) and the bonuses to hit from it being exceptional probably would make it the deadlier weapon.
As for where your military went, they got in a group with the rest of the dwarves from your fortress and left your fortress. And they probably took everything they were wearing, including your adamantine hammers.
You might be able to find them along with all the other dwarves from your fortress, but I can't remember what the symbol for a migrant group is on the adventurer map. I think it's a blinking horizontal dash. I don't know where it would be.
Post by: DDR on February 13, 2010, 07:39:31 pm
Post by: Spong on February 13, 2010, 08:39:15 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 13, 2010, 09:01:44 pm
1. currently animals don't actually eat in this game, and
2. vermin is only recognized as prey by cats, or animals modded to be like cats in this respect (via the verminhunter tag).
EDIT: Just remembered something. I've seen dead olms in my last fort, despite having no cats. Suggests that something else must have been hunting and killing them, and it was probably cave spiders.
How that piece of information will help you, I do not know. Cats and cave spiders targeting vermin is far from a believable indication of bears or tigers doing the same.
Post by: Spong on February 13, 2010, 09:12:27 pm
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 13, 2010, 09:48:13 pm
Ok. Other question is I just noticed the area I'm in has giant eagles. Anyone have tips on capturing flying creatures?
That's actually way easier than you'd think. Put some cage traps in the front entrance of your fort. Eventually they'll come in, the tunnel will force them to ground level, and trapped.
Post by: The Architect on February 13, 2010, 10:17:14 pm
If I put an animal trap next to a cage trap, will the trapped vermin act as bait for the main cage trap if I'm trying to trap carnivorous beasties?
Someone has already answered your direct question, so I'm just offering an alternative for the effect you want: Chain an animal and place the cage trap at the only path to the animal.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 14, 2010, 12:19:37 am
EDIT: Just remembered something. I've seen dead olms in my last fort, despite having no cats. Suggests that something else must have been hunting and killing them, and it was probably cave spiders.
The webs catch the olms. That's what's going on there, in case you were wondering.
Post by: Garrie on February 14, 2010, 01:21:41 am
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Post by: The Architect on February 14, 2010, 01:24:39 am
Post by: Odd!x on February 14, 2010, 01:51:53 am
I'm spending inordinate amounts of time quantum stockpiling them in hopes of remedying my lag (and efficiently cranking out hundreds of stone blocks for the mountainside castle I'm working on, but I digress), but is there an easier way of raising my FPS? does hiding the stone accomplish this?
Post by: The Architect on February 14, 2010, 01:54:43 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 14, 2010, 01:55:34 am
Post by: Odd!x on February 14, 2010, 02:00:59 am
Hiding the stone does not improve processing, so it doesn't cut lag. Dumping all of the stone in one place can potentially increase lag, but won't decrease it. The reason people quantum-dump stone to decrease lag is that they are quantum-dumping it into a chasm or garbage compactor (atom-smashing bridge). Or, if they don't know better, they're dumping it into magma and creating possibly thousands of "ghost-globs" due to a glitch, thus not helping their processing speed much.
thank you so much. TO THE STEEL DRAWBRIDGE, CURSED STONE!
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 14, 2010, 02:07:58 am
One more thing, NEVER LOCK ANIMALS IN A ROOM.Hiding the stone does not improve processing, so it doesn't cut lag. Dumping all of the stone in one place can potentially increase lag, but won't decrease it. The reason people quantum-dump stone to decrease lag is that they are quantum-dumping it into a chasm or garbage compactor (atom-smashing bridge). Or, if they don't know better, they're dumping it into magma and creating possibly thousands of "ghost-globs" due to a glitch, thus not helping their processing speed much.
thank you so much. TO THE STEEL DRAWBRIDGE, CURSED STONE!
They hog frames trying to calculate a way out of the room even though they can't.
Post by: assimilateur on February 14, 2010, 02:12:56 am
they're dumping it into magma and creating possibly thousands of "ghost-globs" due to a glitch
Unless you mean "ghost" items that won't even show up on the stock screen (which would be a new phenomenon to me), I don't think I've ever seen more than 2 figures of them for every couple thousand stones melted in magma.
Now if I did want to make sure I dumped stuff down a chasm as opposed to into magma, would flushing my garbage work? I'd like to avoid having my dwarves carry garbage all the way to the chasm, which is usually going to be outside my main shaft, so having a way of conveying it towards the chasm by mechanical means would be helpful.
Post by: The Architect on February 14, 2010, 02:13:57 am
One more thing, NEVER LOCK ANIMALS IN A ROOM.
They hog frames trying to calculate a way out of the room even though they can't.
Ah, got to be a little more specific than that or you'll give people the wrong idea.
The problem is that if you forbid a door to animals ("tightly closed"), and the animal wants to get past the door, it will constantly check the path even though there is none (the door is forbidden to them!)
Blocking them or locking them in by any other means (bridges, L-forbidden doors, etc) is perfectly fine.
they're dumping it into magma and creating possibly thousands of "ghost-globs" due to a glitch
Unless you mean "ghost" items that won't even show up on the stock screen (which would be a new phenomenon to me), I don't think I've ever seen more than 2 figures of them for every couple thousand stones melted in magma.
Now if I did want to make sure I dumped stuff down a chasm as opposed to into magma, would flushing my garbage work? I'd like to avoid having my dwarves carry garbage all the way to the chasm, which is usually going to be outside my main shaft, so having a way of conveying it towards the chasm by mechanical means would be helpful.
It's a glitch; it's not consistent. You've just been lucky. Dumping items into a magma vent where they will fall off the map if the dump is well-placed is a common successful tactic as well. It's just equivalent to using a chasm.
Items will be flushed by a high enough water flow, but I don't really know how DF handles it. Maybe someone can tell you what would be necessary to get heavy stones to flush a significant distance, but I'd imagine it would be considerable. You can drop them off the map through underground river exit tiles as well, of course.
The thing is: the best and most convenient way to get rid of unwanted items is atomsmashing, period. You can build your one-tile atomsmashing bridge anywhere you want, so the hauling distance can be whatever you want it to be. You can build as many of them as you want. And you can build the lever(s) wherever you want.
Post by: assimilateur on February 14, 2010, 02:20:59 am
Ah, got to be a little more specific than that or you'll give people the wrong idea.
That whole idea of locking your livestock in is a pain in the ass every time you want to butcher something. I'd recommend just chaining your animals in an area that isn't very highly traveled, but isn't under lockdown either. Unless I'm mistaken, that will also cut down on your lag without requiring you to do all those extra steps you'd need when using a self-contained breeding area.
The thing is: the best and most convenient way to get rid of unwanted items is atomsmashing, period. You can build your one-tile atomsmashing bridge anywhere you want, so the hauling distance can be whatever you want it to be. You can build as many of them as you want. And you can build the lever(s) wherever you want.
No argument there, but it feels somewhat sploity, while throwing shit into magma or a chasm feels cool. I'm gonna opt for the second option, which at best gives me another problem to solve, and at worse makes cleaning up somewhat more labor-intensive. I can live with that.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 14, 2010, 02:31:26 am
Because I thought of converting all my mundane stones into stuff which I would sell to merchants, thus they would be stored in bins -- this generate lag?
Post by: assimilateur on February 14, 2010, 02:58:24 am
If you do insist on trading stone crafts, making mugs out of 600 stones - resulting in 1800 finished items - should cover your export needs for several years, and give you a legendary stonecrafter in the process.
Post by: The Architect on February 14, 2010, 03:09:13 am
which at best gives me another problem to solve, and at worse makes cleaning up somewhat more labor-intensive. I can live with that.
That's incorrect, and that's the point. You can't clean it up if you get the magma-melting glitch. Otherwise, you'll be fine.
And this is not about cleaning up nor is it exploitative. It's about reducing lag that shouldn't exist in the first place.
Post by: assimilateur on February 14, 2010, 03:24:53 am
That's incorrect, and that's the point. You can't clean it up if you get the magma-melting glitch. Otherwise, you'll be fine.
I meant having to figure out a way of flushing stuff down a chasm in the first place, or carrying it a little bit further. I don't know what made you think I hoped to salvage glitched globs.
And this is not about cleaning up nor is it exploitative. It's about reducing lag that shouldn't exist in the first place.
I don't know what definition of "sploit" you're using, but I was talking about exploiting a bug or an unrealistic game mechanic. Way I understand it, quantum stockpiling and atom-smashing (while crushing moderate amounts of rock under a massive, bridge-like device is not inconceivable, the way it's usually done is unrealistic, to put it mildly) are exploitative. You shouldn't get defensive, as I don't have a problem with anyone using these sploits; hell, I'm not above using sploits myself, if I see the need for them, but I'm not going to forgo using something as cool as magma (unless "ghost" globs start piling up) or a bottomless pit for waste disposal.
Also, I couldn't agree more about the lag being ridiculous.
Post by: The Architect on February 14, 2010, 03:39:16 am
I am disagreeing. It's not an exploit because it does not benefit the player in any way; in fact it destroys useful raw materials. What it does is overcome a shortcoming of the game's programming: huge processor lag from item tracking.
Post by: assimilateur on February 14, 2010, 05:29:45 am
I'm not defensive. You're reading tones of voice into text;
I don't consider defensiveness only a tone of voice, it can be seen in written language as well, though our definitions of that term might simply be diverging. Regardless, after rereading your previous statement, I now consider my claim about you being supposedly defensive unfounded.
if you hope to survive on a forum without arguments then you should drop that now :)
No offense, but I think this could be considered a classic case of "the kettle calling the pot black". Also, why shouldn't we argue, as in, discuss things? As long as we keep it civil, and so far we have, I don't see what problems that would cause.
It's not an exploit because it does not benefit the player in any way; in fact it destroys useful raw materials.
Again, our definitions of the term "exploit" are different, as by my definition and in this context, an exploit doesn't entail gaining an advantage, it's simply the use of an unintended (buggy) feature. You seem to consider it a performance tweak, and I agree with that assessment, but it's nevertheless attained by exploiting the bugs of quantum stockpiling and atom smashing; not that there is anything wrong with that.
Post by: DarkDragon on February 14, 2010, 07:41:44 am
Do megabeast(s) only arrive once per fort? Or can you get multiples (assuming there are more alive in the world)?
So far both my forts have only seen one megabeast arrive, both came at about the time I hit 100 dwarves. Other megabeasts have survived worldgen but so far only one per fort has arrived.
Post by: tomas1297 on February 14, 2010, 08:50:53 am
Post by: JaaSwb on February 14, 2010, 09:05:29 am
Quick question:
Do megabeast(s) only arrive once per fort? Or can you get multiples (assuming there are more alive in the world)?
So far both my forts have only seen one megabeast arrive, both came at about the time I hit 100 dwarves. Other megabeasts have survived worldgen but so far only one per fort has arrived.
Megabests wander the world map, so every megabeast that can reach your fort should eventually pass by, given enough time. On occassion, multiple megabeasts have visited a fortress simultaneously.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 14, 2010, 11:34:13 am
I need a REALLY quick way to kill prisoners in cages.Will atom smashing cages kill the prisoners too?
It will definitely get rid of the prisoners. I'm not sure if they'll be "killed", I wouldn't be surprised if they were stuck in a limbo zone, but they won't be bothering you ever again.
If the cages aren't iron, I'd rather dump them in magma. Hell, even if they are iron (the cage won't melt and the prisoner will live under the magma for all time).
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 14, 2010, 11:53:35 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 14, 2010, 12:35:31 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on February 14, 2010, 12:40:37 pm
From the embark choose-items screen, how do you go back to the screen before, so you can change civilizations once you realize you can't buy turtles or whatever?
You have to hit escape and abort, then start again. I know it's annoying, I play with several civs activated and often embark as elves or goblins by accident.
Post by: The Architect on February 14, 2010, 02:45:24 pm
if you hope to survive on a forum without arguments then you should drop that now :)
No offense, but I think this could be considered a classic case of "the kettle calling the pot black". Also, why shouldn't we argue, as in, discuss things? As long as we keep it civil, and so far we have, I don't see what problems that would cause.It's not an exploit because it does not benefit the player in any way; in fact it destroys useful raw materials.
Again, our definitions of the term "exploit" are different, as by my definition and in this context, an exploit doesn't entail gaining an advantage, it's simply the use of an unintended (buggy) feature. You seem to consider it a performance tweak, and I agree with that assessment, but it's nevertheless attained by exploiting the bugs of quantum stockpiling and atom smashing; not that there is anything wrong with that.
Well, I agree with you. But forum arguments don't remain the classical sense of arguments 90% of the time; people don't control themselves online and tend to have flame wars. A big thing on this forum is for a flamer or troll to come in, provoke someone or enter an existing dispute, flame a little, then report their opponents to the moderators. I hate hitting the Report button, but whoever hits it first seems to get immunity and put the other person in deep ****. I do my best to avoid even disagreements with posters I don't know now.
Obviously we don't need to get into the academic definition of exploit, as it simply means utilizing something to its potential. As far as I understand its use with video games, exploiting is a term used when someone takes advantage of a game mechanic or bug in a way in which it was not meant to be utilized.
I'd like to point out that this is not a bug, and that this is the way it's meant to be used. I really don't see how you can call it an exploit.
Post by: Loctavus on February 14, 2010, 04:18:17 pm
Okay. I just had a human seige arrive, which I was not expecting. I was expecting them to bring metal bars.
What the hell?
Or does this have something to do with the accidental death of the liason last year?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 14, 2010, 04:21:19 pm
Or does this have something to do with the accidental death of the liason last year?
That would do it. Other civs don't like it when their emissaries die on your map.
Post by: JaaSwb on February 14, 2010, 04:22:20 pm
Kill enough of them, and they'll send a diplomat to sue for peace. If the diplomat's dead too, tough cheese.
Post by: Loctavus on February 14, 2010, 04:34:49 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 14, 2010, 04:40:44 pm
I was expecting them to bring metal bars.
Which they did; I mean, they did come bearing iron equipment, right?
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 14, 2010, 04:49:59 pm
Because I'm on a map which had 2 little ponds, evaporated now and there is ZERO square of water now...
Post by: Corinthius on February 14, 2010, 05:26:38 pm
Questions:
1) My dogs occasionally die in my own falling rock traps. Why is this? =[
2) I have a nice tower cap farm. However, the tower caps sure are taking their time growing. How long til they become big enough to cut down?
Post by: JamPet on February 14, 2010, 05:38:36 pm
Tower cap trees take a year and a half or so to grow to chopping size according to the wiki.
Post by: Corinthius on February 14, 2010, 05:40:36 pm
2) ARGH I read that article but managed to completely miss that. Sorry, and thanks!
Post by: Sutremaine on February 14, 2010, 06:20:55 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on February 14, 2010, 06:27:44 pm
Also, make sure your dwarves aren't walking on them. Dwarves stepping on young tower-caps can turn them into dead young tower-caps, which don't grow anymore but still take up space in your farm.
2) ARGH I read that article but managed to completely miss that. Sorry, and thanks!
Post by: assimilateur on February 14, 2010, 06:41:36 pm
EDIT:
Grasstrample:0 overrides trampling of saplings as well, right? I'm using that setting on most animals and humanoids, including dwarves and invaders, because having grasslands turn into deserts at the currently implemented rate was fucking ridiculous. I have not yet, however, determined what that does to saplings, but it should keep them from being trampled.
Post by: Skorpion on February 14, 2010, 07:33:52 pm
Sadly, no. Toady said in DF talk #7 today that that kind of stuff might come someday, but it isn't in now. The best thing to do I guess would be make sure you don't run out of booze and hope it rains.
Questions:
1) My dogs occasionally die in my own falling rock traps. Why is this? =[
2) I have a nice tower cap farm. However, the tower caps sure are taking their time growing. How long til they become big enough to cut down?
1. They're injured and keep passing out, most likely.
2. Year and a half, but they will only mature IF:
- They aren't killed by traffic.
- There's nothing on top of them, like a rock, or spider webs.
Post by: Ashery on February 14, 2010, 09:31:27 pm
On the topic of underground tree farms, does flooding destroy saplings? You don't generally need to re-irrigate your farms unless you make a mistake, but it still wouldn't hurt to know.
Judging by my experience with my obsidian farms:
Saplings do not die under any amount of water but they will not mature if they're constantly under 7/7 water.
I have several grown tower caps at the end of my water feed where the water regularly goes below 7/7 as it fills the 10x10 water drop. The saplings further back haven't matured despite several years passing since I drained the water supply to fix a mistake. The shrubs seem to die, though.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 14, 2010, 10:00:36 pm
I'm wanting to expand my animal-hide bedding mod, but going through the creature list entry-by-entry to make sure everything's name is actually right is very tedious, especially with some of the weirder ones like giant eagles, siamangs, and bilous.
Post by: Skorpion on February 15, 2010, 12:58:39 am
This is a closed system.
1. Why has the level in the pipe gone down?
2. Have I just pressurised the entire magma pipe?
Post by: o_O[WTFace] on February 15, 2010, 01:23:44 am
I don't think you can pressurize magma at all.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 15, 2010, 02:23:39 am
Hi,
1. Is it possible on a map to discover while digging trapped critters? So far when I played (not that much, less one hundred hours total ;D ), it seems I can view everywhere, on all levels, all critters, so no surprises...
2. Also, can critters move significantly toward the fort? It seems they are only reacting a few squares away from their initial position?
3. Last, can critters from the world (except mega beast) enter the local map, do they reproduce on the local map?
Post by: The Architect on February 15, 2010, 02:43:41 am
2) Most creatures don't have much interest in your fortress. Predators might approach looking for food, while prey will flee any dwarves they notice. Civilian dwarves without Hunting will flee all beasts, as well.
McIdiot cancels move item to stockpile: Interrupted by wild rabbit. x13
etc.
3) Migratory beasts do enter the map from the edges, as you may have noticed. While they will not give birth in your territory, they are perfectly capable of impregnating your livestock.
Post by: Deon on February 15, 2010, 03:01:42 am
2) Any creature with [MEANDERER] tag will roam about without real interest of your dwarves. However if it has [CURIOUSBEAST_ITEM] etc. which mean that they look for items, they will run to your fort (like monkeys do).
3) As it has been said, migratory creatures enter your map once the existing groups leave (I think it's some number per biome, so the more biomes you have, the more creatures you have) or when you kill them (so sometimes it's better to leave a single groundhog to live to avoid some nasty critters spawning). Feature creatures breed though if they have an ability (river creatures, chasm creatures, cave creatures etc.).
Post by: Deon on February 15, 2010, 03:03:40 am
Does anyone know if there's a compiled list of all of the creatures' reference name? As in, not "grizzly bear," but "BEAR_GRIZZLY," the stuff after the [CREATURE] tag in a creature entry, the stuff the game references if it wants to use a creature as an entity or, more importantly for my purposes, what one would use if they wanted to make a creature's parts part of a reaction?You have to do it by yourself, but only once ;).
I'm wanting to expand my animal-hide bedding mod, but going through the creature list entry-by-entry to make sure everything's name is actually right is very tedious, especially with some of the weirder ones like giant eagles, siamangs, and bilous.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 15, 2010, 03:52:41 am
What would you say about the ETA of the patch? It is counted in weeks or months? I know it is guessing, but you have experience of past versions ;)
Post by: The Architect on February 15, 2010, 04:13:17 am
you have experience of past versions ;)
Nope. Started in late October.
Post by: cstruble on February 15, 2010, 09:07:56 am
1. Are there any issues with pumping magma through a pump stack?
2. The magma should be pressured at the top of the stack, correct?
3. How many pumps can I reasonably place at a magma pipe that it does not lower the magma level?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 15, 2010, 09:13:36 am
1. Why has the level in the pipe gone down?You have removed some magma from the pipe. Thought your system is closed, some magma was required to fill/prime it, which was taken from the pipe. That caused the magma level to fall. Eventually the pipe will refill itself to its original level. This may cause it to overflow if magma flows out of your system into an already full pipe.
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2. Have I just pressurised the entire magma pipe?If there exists a solid path from the outlet of your pump to the pipe, then the entire pipe will be pressurized to the level of the output of the pump.
1. Are there any issues with pumping magma through a pump stack?Only that the pumps should not contain any wooden parts. Other materials seem to be safe - pumps don't seem to need magma-safe materials so long as the passable input square of the pump is not itself immersed in magma, which it does not need to be in order to pump.
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2. The magma should be pressured at the top of the stack, correct?
Yes, the magma will pressurize to the output level of the last pump.
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3. How many pumps can I reasonably place at a magma pipe that it does not lower the magma level?None. Pumping any magma from the pipe will lower the magma level. The pipe will eventually refill to its original level.
Post by: Spong on February 15, 2010, 10:10:12 am
bottom layer:
#= wall
S= support
#####
# #
# #
# S #
# #
# #
#####
all other levels:
R = ramp (or in some cases channel)
######
#RRRR #
#R##R#
#R##R#
#R##R#
#RRRR #
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so I pull the lever and it causes a cave-in, but when I look at the area the only thing that has changed is the bottom layer now has granite walls in the center where the support was, like this:
G = granite
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# #
# G #
# G #
# G #
# #
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What am I doing wrong?
To me it looks like what has happened is this:
side on view:
| ### |
| ### |
| ### |
| ### |
|___S___|
after lever is pulled:
| |
| ### |
| ### |
| ### |
|__###__|
the whole stack has just shifted one level down - I don't know why this is I would have thought the weight of the above layers would cause them to follow through.
Any ideas?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 15, 2010, 10:49:07 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 15, 2010, 12:09:30 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 15, 2010, 12:31:56 pm
When you enter criteria to embark, is it possible to skip the first correct candidate and check the second? Because I'm proposed with a candidate which is overlapping a previous experiment (aka failed fort) of mine and I wanted to be elsewhere in the world.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 15, 2010, 12:50:37 pm
how do you remove traffic areas?
Go to the traffic designations menu, and set whatever area you want back to normal traffic.
When you enter criteria to embark, is it possible to skip the first correct candidate and check the second?
Nope. One of the limitations of the current site finder.
Post by: Spong on February 15, 2010, 01:03:41 pm
Post by: Skorpion on February 15, 2010, 01:06:56 pm
1. Why has the level in the pipe gone down?You have removed some magma from the pipe. Thought your system is closed, some magma was required to fill/prime it, which was taken from the pipe. That caused the magma level to fall. Eventually the pipe will refill itself to its original level. This may cause it to overflow if magma flows out of your system into an already full pipe.Quote2. Have I just pressurised the entire magma pipe?If there exists a solid path from the outlet of your pump to the pipe, then the entire pipe will be pressurized to the level of the output of the pump.1. Are there any issues with pumping magma through a pump stack?Only that the pumps should not contain any wooden parts. Other materials seem to be safe - pumps don't seem to need magma-safe materials so long as the passable input square of the pump is not itself immersed in magma, which it does not need to be in order to pump.Quote2. The magma should be pressured at the top of the stack, correct?
Yes, the magma will pressurize to the output level of the last pump.Quote3. How many pumps can I reasonably place at a magma pipe that it does not lower the magma level?None. Pumping any magma from the pipe will lower the magma level. The pipe will eventually refill to its original level.
Let me clarify. The system was closed, by way of having one tile filled with magma, which flowed down through a grate.
The only priming was one tile.
None evaporated; it drained through the grate.
Why the hell did the top pipe level go from almost entirely 7/7 with a few 6/7, to mostly 6/7 with a few 5/7?
And I checked; it hasn't gone spurting out of any holes.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 15, 2010, 01:19:28 pm
Do trade caravans ever bring in large quantities of stone? I only seem to get one or two blocks at a time of any given rock type.
Stone is heavy. Caravans are severely limited in the amount of stone they can bring.
It's also not very valuable, so caravans would rather bring other things.
Post by: Deon on February 15, 2010, 01:30:03 pm
Example:
Water from
#~######
#~######
#~# ☺
#~#~####
#~~~####
#~~~####
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will go to
#~######
#~######
#~#~~~☺~
#~#~####
#~~~####
#~~~####
########
Magma won't.
Post by: cstruble on February 15, 2010, 01:33:37 pm
ThanksQuote3. How many pumps can I reasonably place at a magma pipe that it does not lower the magma level?None. Pumping any magma from the pipe will lower the magma level. The pipe will eventually refill to its original level.
In that case would pumping magma from the bottom of the pipe refill faster than pumping it at the top of the pipe?
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 15, 2010, 01:36:22 pm
Thanks
In that case would pumping magma from the bottom of the pipe refill faster than pumping it at the top of the pipe?
The pipe fills up quicker the emptier it gets. At least I believe that's the case. SO yes, pumping from the bottom would get you more magma to pump than from the top.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 15, 2010, 03:06:38 pm
What is the difference between a smoothed floor and a constructed floor (over a non smoothed floor)? I want to add value to some rooms while sucking up a bit of the stones laying around, what should I do?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 15, 2010, 03:15:26 pm
About magma: it cannot be pressurized. Water can and will, magma though will spread horizontally only, it cannot move up by itself.Magma can be pressurized by pumps. It can't be pressurized by gravity alone.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 15, 2010, 03:17:18 pm
Let me clarify. The system was closed, by way of having one tile filled with magma, which flowed down through a grate.Very strange. It shouldn't do that, and I've never seen similar behavior. Might be some strange bug in the code that refills pipes.
The only priming was one tile.
None evaporated; it drained through the grate.
Why the hell did the top pipe level go from almost entirely 7/7 with a few 6/7, to mostly 6/7 with a few 5/7?
And I checked; it hasn't gone spurting out of any holes.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 15, 2010, 03:53:57 pm
I had to draft him in the military to halt his move, because even cancelling the job at the craftshop did not work, is it the only solution?
Post by: Psychoceramics on February 15, 2010, 05:19:36 pm
When you enter criteria to embark, is it possible to skip the first correct candidate and check the second?
Nope. One of the limitations of the current site finder.
actually, it is. put a fortress there and then abandon. It's now an invalid site.
Post by: Particleman on February 15, 2010, 06:00:42 pm
Can I say to a specif Dwarf to not go outside? Because I had a crafter which moved over half the map to retrieve some bones!! He approached antmen dangerously because of that ... so ...
I had to draft him in the military to halt his move, because even cancelling the job at the craftshop did not work, is it the only solution?
No, you can't tell a specific dwarf to stay in a certain area. Apparently that's what burrows are going to do in the next version, though. (Burrows aren't in this version, so don't try looking for them.)
As for getting him to not walk into a huge swarm of antmen and get murdered? Just forbid the bones near them (d -> b -> f, then select everything you want to forbid, like designating something to be dug out.)
Post by: Atlar on February 15, 2010, 06:33:50 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 15, 2010, 06:37:25 pm
Go to smelter/magma smelter add task "Melt metal object"
Make sure you have fuel for non magma smelter
If you want it gone without the long wait consider atom smashing (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Dwarven_atom_smasher)
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 15, 2010, 06:39:17 pm
That's the key stroke to mass designate melting. If you do that over your bins of narrow iron goblin armor, your dwarves will melt them if you assign the appropriate task at the smelter.
Damn, ninja'd.
Note: The mass designation melting is indiscriminate. If you have pieces of masterwork steel armor in those bins, too, they'll be marked for melting as well.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 15, 2010, 06:41:45 pm
Post by: Atlar on February 15, 2010, 06:43:09 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 15, 2010, 06:44:22 pm
I haven't figured out how to set stockpiles for only large/narrow armor.
On the stockpile screen for armor at the bottom there's "unusable and usable".
Toggle either of these options to, say, limit a stockpile to specifically dwarf-size armor or make a stockpile for all your odd armor sizes.
Post by: Atlar on February 15, 2010, 06:55:57 pm
My dwarves demand to continue enjoying the sculpture garden during sieges which is reasonable cause the cries of dieing goblins are quite inspiring!
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 15, 2010, 07:01:10 pm
IE, put a floor over a murky pool tile the tile below becomes "indoor"
Post by: Atlar on February 15, 2010, 07:15:18 pm
Post by: Garth on February 15, 2010, 09:37:31 pm
Can I bring these back to my fortress and train them to fight for me as war dogs?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 15, 2010, 09:41:58 pm
Post by: Garth on February 15, 2010, 09:50:07 pm
Unless you modify them, the closest you will get to that is taming them and throwing them at the enemy and hoping that the wolves fight.Well that sucks...
So I can only train dogs?
How do I bring the wolves into my fortress for butchering and tanning anyways?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 15, 2010, 09:52:21 pm
catch them and tame them, let them out, let them.... um, "breed" and then when there is another male and female pair of pups kill the parents.
Post by: Garth on February 15, 2010, 09:55:01 pm
Without them eating the butchers?
catch them and tame them, let them out, let them.... um, "breed" and then when there is another male and female pair of pups kill the parents.
What skill do my dwarves need to tame them? Animal Trainer, I'm assuming?
Should I just put them in a hole in the ground or something for breeding?
Post by: assimilateur on February 15, 2010, 10:27:13 pm
So I can only train dogs?
You can train any animal with the [trAINABLE] tag, which you can add even post-worldgen. This means you can make war wolves no problem, unless you have sort of an ethical objection to modding the game, or some shit.
What skill do my dwarves need to tame them? Animal Trainer, I'm assuming?
Should I just put them in a hole in the ground or something for breeding?
Yes, animal trainer is the correct skill. You build a kennel and select the "tame large animal" task, and later select each captive wild wolf or whatever it is you wanted to tame. You can't put this on repeat, as they will then tame and re-tame the same animal ad infinitum; you have to task each wild animal for taming one by one.
Tame livestock will normally congregate in your meeting area(s). Some people build self-contained, air-locked breeding pens, but I found those to be a pain in the ass. Instead, I recommend chaining your breeding animals wherever you want, but preferably not far from your butchery and tannery.
Post by: Garth on February 15, 2010, 10:38:08 pm
So I can only train dogs?
You can train any animal with the [trAINABLE] tag, which you can add even post-worldgen. This means you can make war wolves no problem, unless you have sort of an ethical objection to modding the game, or some shit.What skill do my dwarves need to tame them? Animal Trainer, I'm assuming?
Should I just put them in a hole in the ground or something for breeding?
Yes, animal trainer is the correct skill. You build a kennel and select the "tame large animal" task, and later select each captive wild wolf or whatever it is you wanted to tame. You can't put this on repeat, as they will then tame and re-tame the same animal ad infinitum; you have to task each wild animal for taming one by one.
Tame livestock will normally congregate in your meeting area(s). Some people build self-contained, air-locked breeding pens, but I found those to be a pain in the ass. Instead, I recommend chaining your breeding animals wherever you want, but preferably not far from your butchery and tannery.
I can build them next to a tannery easily.
I figured I'd build just a room that goes down 1z level so that they can be in a type of pit for them to breed in.
Would that work?
Post by: garfield751 on February 15, 2010, 10:38:33 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 15, 2010, 10:43:07 pm
if i have a bridge that raises to the north in a narrow hallway going from north to south and it was flooded with 7/7 water would i be able to raise the bridge?Yes.
Also, there is spore breeding IE, animals on the surface can impregnate animals locked in the bottom of the fortress
Post by: assimilateur on February 15, 2010, 10:50:09 pm
I figured I'd build just a room that goes down 1z level so that they can be in a type of pit for them to breed in.
Would that work?
Yes, it would work, but the moment you wanted to butcher any of your livestock, you'd either have to let all the animals out (they'd go to your meeting area right away and would have to be thrown into the pit again once you're done) or lock your butcher and tanner in with the livestock. Even if you did lock your butcher/tanner in, you'd still need to either re-pit your animals or cage them or something, which is why I don't consider it worth the micromanagement effort and instead recommend using chains/ropes.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 15, 2010, 11:24:04 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 15, 2010, 11:30:27 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on February 15, 2010, 11:42:24 pm
A better idea is to have a 3-level setup for this sort of thing. Top level is a pit for dropping critters in, middle level is floored exclusively with at least 2 retracting bridges linked to levers and otherwise completely sealed off, and bottom level is accessible for your butcher/the rest of the fort.I figured I'd build just a room that goes down 1z level so that they can be in a type of pit for them to breed in.
Would that work?
Yes, it would work, but the moment you wanted to butcher any of your livestock, you'd either have to let all the animals out (they'd go to your meeting area right away and would have to be thrown into the pit again once you're done) or lock your butcher and tanner in with the livestock. Even if you did lock your butcher/tanner in, you'd still need to either re-pit your animals or cage them or something, which is why I don't consider it worth the micromanagement effort and instead recommend using chains/ropes.
This setup allows you to easily release part of your herd with a pull of a switch without needing to re-pit any of the other animals. Just pull the lever, wait a bit, then designate all of the now-stunned-from-the-brief-fall creatures for slaughter. Sure, they'll get to the meeting hall, but then get taken up and killed shortly, and you're back to an entirely animal-free fort. Better yet, you're (mostly) certain to still have at least 1 adult female still in the pit most of the time, which means you don't even have to micromanage to prevent the death of all of your breeders! Good stuff.
I can't for the life of me makes the 'form squads' keys work... Each time I draft dwarves, I get one-man dwarf... What is exactly the key combination I must use when I enter the military screen to have a squad of 2 dwarves?Go into the military screen, scroll over a dwarf, hit enter, scroll over another dwarf, hit enter. You now have a squad of 2 dwarves lead by the one you hit enter over first. Adding more dwarves to the squad is as simple as scrolling over them and hitting enter. Hit space when you're finished making the squad.
I'm pretty sure you can put undrafted dwarves into squads, though if you put them into a squad with a drafted dwarf civilians will be auto-drafted.
How do I see the value of a room?The (r)ooms menu lists all of your rooms, placed furnishings, stockpiles, and zones. For bedrooms, dining rooms, offices, and tombs, it also has their quality listed (Meager through Royal). This, unfortunately, is rather vague. You can't see the actual numerical value of a room until the economy activates when the tax collector arrives.
Also, there is a button to modify posts at the upper-right corner of the post. It's widely felt to be rude to double-post when such things exist, so please use it 8)
Post by: gopher dude on February 15, 2010, 11:51:16 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 16, 2010, 12:00:21 am
Good stuff.
You're talking about a design that's basically random in respect to how many animals remain for breeding? I really don't see the point in bothering with livestock unless you make sure you're getting a relatively steady supply of meat and other products.
If you do insist on culling most of your herd each time, a two-level design with a contained butchery and tannery would probably be preferable. Otherwise, there's little point in stunning your animals, as that will (assuming you've got more than one animal per butcher) do little to keep them from going back to your meeting area.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 16, 2010, 12:38:20 am
You're talking about a design that's basically random in respect to how many animals remain for breeding? I really don't see the point in bothering with livestock unless you make sure you're getting a relatively steady supply of meat and other products.Somewhat, but not really; 1/2 or less of your herd each time. I usually build it with 3 1x1 bridges, so I cull 1/3 of the herd at a time. How steady it is depends on how close to the max population of animals of a species you have, how fast they mature, and how big of litters they have, but even with only 1 species you're still generally good for meat and fat and more stable for bones, skulls, and leather than the alternatives I've seen.
Besides, it's not like you have to have just 1. I usually build 4, segregated by species, and have 1 for cows, one for muskoxen or camels if I can get them, 1 for dogs, and 1 for whatever exotic reproducing creature I manage to get a breeding pair of first (for my current fort it's black bears). Slaughtering 1/3 of one of the species each season usually provides plenty of resources and has the aforementioned advantages.
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If you do insist on culling most of your herd each time, a two-level design with a contained butchery and tannery would probably be preferable. Otherwise, there's little point in stunning your animals, as that will (assuming you've got more than one animal per butcher) do little to keep them from going back to your meeting area.The whole point is to avoid accidentally culling must of the herd. Animals tend to move roughly randomly inside the pens, so they tend to get evenly distributed between each bridge, so you do get very close to 1/3 each time. For instance, in my current fort, I have about 25 black bears, and the times I've tapped the pens I've gotten 6, 8, and 9 bears.
The point of stunning the animals is actually just so they stand still while you designate them for slaughter from their preferences menu so you don't accidentally slaughter your guard animals. More importantly, does it really matter if a relatively-small number of animals gets to your meeting area between when you release them and they get slaughtered?
Can anyone direct me to the df guide on building above ground?I think you're probably looking for this. (http://dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Tower)
Post by: assimilateur on February 16, 2010, 01:29:19 am
Your design makes more sense now, with the added explanation, but I'd still rather use chains. I slaughter the young as soon as they pop out (assuming I've already reached my quota of breeding females, which is usually 10-15 for valuable species, and 3-5 for less valuable ones [if I even breed those]), because I can't be arsed to stuff them in cages or whatever. I obviously lose some amount of meat and bones that way, but I normally have way more of those products than I'm ever gonna need.
Unless I'm gravely mistaken, those should be lag-friendly as well. One problem for me is placing chains in a way that's both aesthetically pleasing and ergonomic.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 16, 2010, 01:49:51 am
1. Are trees making saplings or bushes spreading?
2. Are monsters breeding (i.e do trolls have sex affairs between them :D ).
3. Is set my marksman as 2 handed and he is taking 2 crossbows! Is this a bug?
4. How do you see the other creature on a tile when there are 2 with the v key?
5. Bone/Turtle armor protects as chainmail?
6. I really don't understand how the 'take from stockpile' menu is supposed to work. I want to move 3 barrels of wine from my main stockpile to a tiny one.
Thanks all in advance.
Post by: assimilateur on February 16, 2010, 02:33:43 am
1. Are trees making saplings or bushes spreading?
2. Are monsters breeding (i.e do trolls have sex affairs between them :D ).
3. Is set my marksman as 2 handed and he is taking 2 crossbows! Is this a bug?
4. How do you see the other creature on a tile when there are 2 with the v key?
5. Bone/Turtle armor protects as chainmail?
6. I really don't understand how the 'take from stockpile' menu is supposed to work. I want to move 3 barrels of wine from my main stockpile to a tiny one.
1. If I understand that question correctly, you don't need one bush or sapling to get new ones, i.e. you can cut all trees or pick all bushes and you will still get new ones later.
2. Most monsters probably don't breed (while "regular" animals do), but that can be checked for in the raw\objects\ folder. Open some of the creature files and look for child-related tags in their respective entries. For example, the dog is going to have the tags [CHILD:1] (meaning that a young dog matures after one year) and [CHILDNAME:puppy:puppies]. Without equivalent tags, creatures don't breed. Now, if you do want your trolls or whatever to procreate, you can add such tags even after embarking.
3. I don't know if this is a bug, but that setting is useless to a marksman anyway. You use the "2 handed" (or was it "2 weapons"?) setting when you want your guy to equip a two-handed weapon. You won't be able to use those, as far as I know, unless you mod the game anyway.
4. I think you switch between creatures occupying one tile by pressing + and -.
5. The base values of bone/shell armor might as well be those of chain armor (I haven't checked), but the bones and shells are weaker than metal, so you're going to end up with worse armor anyway. Of course, it's better than nothing. Look on the wiki for the article about armor for more details.
6. You set your small stockpile to take from the large stockpile, and it should get filled, assuming the large stockpile is full and accessible in the first place.
Post by: Garrie on February 16, 2010, 02:37:41 am
Thank you Necrorebel!1. Depending on your biome, trees will randomly germinate as saplings. After a certain time (3 yrs above ground 1.5 yrs belowgrond I think ) they will become trees. I don't think deforestation prevents germination rate.
1. Are trees making saplings or bushes spreading?
2. Are monsters breeding (i.e do trolls have sex affairs between them :D ).
3. Is set my marksman as 2 handed and he is taking 2 crossbows! Is this a bug?
4. How do you see the other creature on a tile when there are 2 with the v key?
5. Bone/Turtle armor protects as chainmail?
6. I really don't understand how the 'take from stockpile' menu is supposed to work. I want to move 3 barrels of wine from my main stockpile to a tiny one.
Thanks all in advance.
2. AFAIK, what you have on embarking is what you get for on-map "monsers". This excludes migratory animals (eg: deer etc) that come and go from your map, "ambushers" and "siegers" who are generated on a per-event basis.
3. This is really for melee soldiers: weapons like spears tend to get stuck, giving him 2 weapons means if he loses one he can keep fighting.
4. On my settings (with ASCII) they cycle through in turn. When more than 1 critter is on the same tile at a time all except 1 are laying down and will be black. If you are using a tile-set... look at the instructions/documentation for that tile-set.
5. Look at the wiki. material, armour type (leather, chain, plate) and quality all effect protection. If you have a soldier set to "none" set them to "leather" they will put leather on. If you set them to chain they will keep the leather on. This is better than if you go from "clothes" straight to "chain". etc.
6. "take from stockpile" pretty much sucks arse. There is no way to set say a stockpile next to a workshop, REQUIRE haulers to full bins/barrels, then take the FULL BIN/BARREL ONLY to some other stockpile. To do what you are saying, set up the 2 stockpiles correctly, then from the small stockpile, q->t, select the big stockpile. But your dwarves will wander all over the map to get the newest vintage of their preferred beverage, rather than drink from the stockpile next to them.
Hopefully "Burrows" will solve some of this. Roll on the new version!
Post by: assimilateur on February 16, 2010, 02:49:38 am
3. This is really for melee soldiers: weapons like spears tend to get stuck, giving him 2 weapons means if he loses one he can keep fighting.
Can they store backup weapons in backpacks? Because if not, then what they really should be carrying is a shield in their off-hand, as opposed to a second weapon.
Post by: Garrie on February 16, 2010, 03:07:17 am
Have another look at their inventory. Like most rogue-likes, they can carry a waterskin, a shield, a barrel of beer, AND a sword. All in their left hand. ;D3. This is really for melee soldiers: weapons like spears tend to get stuck, giving him 2 weapons means if he loses one he can keep fighting.
Can they store backup weapons in backpacks? Because if not, then what they really should be carrying is a shield in their off-hand, as opposed to a second weapon.
Post by: Particleman on February 16, 2010, 03:10:27 am
Have another look at their inventory. Like most rogue-likes, they can carry a waterskin, a shield, a barrel of beer, AND a sword. All in their left hand. ;D3. This is really for melee soldiers: weapons like spears tend to get stuck, giving him 2 weapons means if he loses one he can keep fighting.
Can they store backup weapons in backpacks? Because if not, then what they really should be carrying is a shield in their off-hand, as opposed to a second weapon.
Yep. I had a swordsman recently who decided to tote around a pair of greaves when I was trying to get him to trade up to a better sword.
Also, as far as I know, the only thing that can currently be stored in backpacks is food.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 16, 2010, 04:20:47 am
Another batch if you will? I feel like a sponge, craving for so many information!
1. Is this a problem of using my leader (which is the broker) when the liaison is around? In other words, should I have a broker for trade, and another guy discussing with the liaison? For example the caravan arrived then went, the liaison was around my broker, but I never got the exchange of messages (what do you want, etc.), is it because my broker has been busy?
2. When you get a message (that you can see with 'a') how can I focus on it? Example, I have a dwarf killed... I want to know where.
3. Why I would not want to have a depot outdoor? Because of attacks? Why do people always want to have the depot indoor?
4. How can I remove the stones of a specific area? Do I need to Dump them as opposed to stockpiling them? Because if I do a stockpile area, you an bet that the dwarves will haul all the stones but the one I want to be moved!
5. How can I tell a dwarf to wear a given armor piece and not another, i.e 'wear this bone helm, not this turtle helm'?
6. How can I give a particular object to a dwarf, i.e 'from now one this crossbow is you, and you have a weapon rack in your bedroom to store it'.
Post by: The Architect on February 16, 2010, 04:33:43 am
2. You can't do that. I wish you could, and I think you should be able to, but you can't. You can view the locations of some creatures in the {u} menu.
3. You can place a depot wherever you want as long as it has proper access to the edge of the map. People advise placing them underground because most people can't defend the surface properly.
4. Dumping them is the only reliable way.
5. You need to forbid all items of that type that are available for use. Except the one you want the dwarf to pick up, of course. So forbiddin all unworn helms except "this bone helm" would be the way to do it.
6. You can't do that. You can do it a little bit in the next version with your military, but not yet. Just pray a little that Toady's work with the new release and bug testing will be relatively easy and quick :)
Post by: nil on February 16, 2010, 04:45:01 am
Also, on depots: the closer the trade depot is to your workshops and stockpiles, the less hauling your dwarves have to do. Since those things are generally underground, that's also often the best place for a trade depot.
Post by: The Architect on February 16, 2010, 04:58:34 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 16, 2010, 05:30:15 am
Would it be possible to emulate burrows behavior by locking doors and restraining dwarves to some areas? Or it would screw their behavior or lag by erroneous pathfinding to 'frustrate' them in such way? :)
Post by: tomas1297 on February 16, 2010, 05:42:25 am
Post by: Particleman on February 16, 2010, 06:08:54 am
1. Is this a problem of using my leader (which is the broker) when the liaison is around? In other words, should I have a broker for trade, and another guy discussing with the liaison? For example the caravan arrived then went, the liaison was around my broker, but I never got the exchange of messages (what do you want, etc.), is it because my broker has been busy?
2. When you get a message (that you can see with 'a') how can I focus on it? Example, I have a dwarf killed... I want to know where.
3. Why I would not want to have a depot outdoor? Because of attacks? Why do people always want to have the depot indoor?
4. How can I remove the stones of a specific area? Do I need to Dump them as opposed to stockpiling them? Because if I do a stockpile area, you an bet that the dwarves will haul all the stones but the one I want to be moved!
5. How can I tell a dwarf to wear a given armor piece and not another, i.e 'wear this bone helm, not this turtle helm'?
6. How can I give a particular object to a dwarf, i.e 'from now one this crossbow is you, and you have a weapon rack in your bedroom to store it'.
1: Yes. Meeting with the liason is a job, and has VERY low priority. Disable all labors on your leader until the liason leaves.
2: For most you can't. If one of your dwarves dies, though, go to the stocks screen (assuming you have accurate counts of everything) and near the end of the list is corpses. Hit tab to see individual items.
3: Because of attacks.
4: Dump them. If you want a specific type of stones, make a custom stockpile and only allow the stones you want in it. If you just want stones moved out of a given area, it's easiest to dump them. Or set up a mason's workshop in the center of the area and have it churn out blocks or something on repeat. A craftsdwarf's workshop can also be used.
5: Forbid or otherwise restrict access to everything you don't want him to wear.
6: Again, it takes some finagling. You have to forbid or otherwise restrict access to anything you don't want him to use. Once a dwarf picks up a weapon though, they generally won't drop it unless it's wreslted from thier hands, they're injured, you release them from duty, or you tell them to use a different weapon.
How can I see the date in dwarf mode?Press z. It should be at the upper right corner.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 16, 2010, 06:39:42 am
Just to know I'm not missing something, there is zero sounds effects in the game, right? Not a single pick sound, the slash of an axe, the thud of a bolt, right?
Post by: Garrie on February 16, 2010, 06:50:13 am
Thanks guys, as usual, you are great with new players!My take is:
Another batch if you will? I feel like a sponge, craving for so many information!
1. I usually have 1 x dwarf who at the start is my only noble. When traders turn up, I turn off ALL his labours. Don't set too much stuff to be traded, until he has had his meeting. Make sure you press the button to let him know you need him in the trade depot early enough.
2. As explained. The only way to see a corpse involves having your bookeeping up to date, then go looking for corpses.
3. Hauling distance is way more important than anything else. But good stockpile management can fix this (eg: only have 1 x stockpile for each output, only trade full bins, don't request too many full bins at once, request bins even if you aren't trading them to this merchant.... you want them there for next time!
4. If it's a 3x3, build "any" workshop - the dwarf building it will push the stones out of the way. If it's 5x5 build a kenel and an animal trainer will do the same. If it's on dirt, build a farm plot as big as you want. If you want to you can set up a whole row of workshops - JUST TO PULL THEM DOWN AGAIN WHEN THE ROCK IS MOVED.
Of course you could always designate the stone as hidden instead! Dwarves like stones.
5. Set them to "clothes" then mark for dumping all their items. When they are buck and unarmed, forbid everything except what you want them to wear/wield. Turn on clothes, then leather armour, then chain mail, then plate... let them put each layer on before turning the next one on. Of course, you aren't really intended to micromanage to that level. Note that once your fort is >5 years old most of your inahabitants will be wearing worn out clothes and you can't change this right now.
6. LOL. Playsome other game? Dwarves claim their own stuff. the only difference to this is nobles demanding "good enough " rooms, which you designate from their bed / chair / ... and then put "accessories" (coffers etc) in the room with them.
Post by: Odd!x on February 16, 2010, 12:14:53 pm
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Post by: vorpal+5 on February 16, 2010, 02:20:44 pm
Oh, it's me :)
My question: why all my novices wrestlers reverted spontaneously to civilians?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 16, 2010, 02:31:19 pm
is there currently any means to display non-furniture artifacts so that the dwarven community can admire the fruits of a legendary leatherworker's labor, or any other item crafter?No
I hear people telling about all kinds of nobles, guildmasters, hammerers,dungeonmaster etcetc. but where are they?? My fortress has over 100 people now but I haven't got a single noble besides the ones I have assigned by myself...Read the wiki, it tells you the requirements for each noble's arrival.
Does quality and material matter for shields? Or is the block chance always 20% + shield user skill?The shield matters, an adamantine shield is obviously much stronger than a copper shield
Next newbie in line!I'm not sure why that is happening, though it isn't natural.
Oh, it's me :)
My question: why all my novices wrestlers reverted spontaneously to civilians?
Maybe a bug?
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 16, 2010, 02:42:08 pm
Next newbie in line!
Oh, it's me :)
My question: why all my novices wrestlers reverted spontaneously to civilians?
You probably switched them all out of your military somehow. Try reactivating them.
Post by: Garth on February 16, 2010, 02:57:40 pm
But in the init folder, none of the files in there have the options to change animals and such.
Which folder/file do I need to change those?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 16, 2010, 03:00:20 pm
I want to change wolves to be trainable...RAW+objects+Creature_Large_Temperate
But in the init folder, none of the files in there have the options to change animals and such.
Which folder/file do I need to change those?
Post by: spikedball on February 16, 2010, 04:08:40 pm
I mean, when don't make them, using constructed floors in high-traffic areas so nobody will get some thoughts due to sleeping in the dirt, my dwarves with mangled hands and other things run around just fine. When I DO make them, any useless expendable recruit will first demand someone to carry him, then food and personnel it needs to keep him alive. If he happens to have any unrecoverable wounds, like a severed leg, he'll just lay there until he dies of old age (correct me on that one if I'm wrong, I don't really remember having both severed limbs and beds in one fort). On top of that, it could be something like lower left arm that brought him to bed in the first place.
Post by: nil on February 16, 2010, 04:46:01 pm
Is there a reason to mass-produce beds?Nice bedrooms can create very good thoughts, and with beds the wounded (although not the mained, as you mention) will eventually recover, making soldiers less vulnerable and probably protecting civilians from minor bad thoughts. Bedrooms will also give dwarves a place to consolidate possessions that can otherwise clog up stockpiles or be strewn about the fortress randomly. Otherwise you're pretty much right, though.
I mean, when don't make them, using constructed floors in high-traffic areas so nobody will get some thoughts due to sleeping in the dirt, my dwarves with mangled hands and other things run around just fine. When I DO make them, any useless expendable recruit will first demand someone to carry him, then food and personnel it needs to keep him alive. If he happens to have any unrecoverable wounds, like a severed leg, he'll just lay there until he dies of old age (correct me on that one if I'm wrong, I don't really remember having both severed limbs and beds in one fort). On top of that, it could be something like lower left arm that brought him to bed in the first place.
One thing, though: it's better to designate a bed-less barracks with an armor stand or weapon rack, as it prevents dwarves from passing out in an inconvenient or dangerous place.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 17, 2010, 02:12:08 am
and the gray count everything which is on the map, as it tells me I have a stock of frogmen chunks that I surely don't own?
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I have hundreds of cloaks and coats, how can it be? I never bought or produced them! So does it means they are the stuff my dorfs wear? But why in this case I can mark them for (D) are they are owned by them? Really I don't get it here...
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Is the happiness level doing something on productivity etc.?
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 02:20:24 am
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 02:30:22 am
Regarding happiness, I don't think that has any effect on productivity as long as it isn't very low. That is, a content dwarf will work just as well as an ecstatic one, but a very unhappy one might interrupt their work for mood-related reasons. To be precise, a dwarf will go talk to the mayor when they are very unhappy, or tantrum [throw things and/or start fights], or even go insane if they're too unhappy for too long a time.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 17, 2010, 02:52:59 am
1. I have been able to flag them as Dumpable from the stock menu. Are they not owned by some soldiers?
2. How can I see if an item is owned or not when on the floor?
3. More precisely, why some items are between {}, some are between () and some don't have that at all?
4. How can I know the armor value of a silk mitten compared to a turtle shell glove etc.? Dwarves pick the best available I guess?
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6115/clipboard01rn.jpg)
5. bonus question, is melt meaning: 'convert to raw material', i.e can I retrofit silk glove to silk to make a silk coat, whatever?
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 02:53:38 am
It sounds like you don't have a trained broker/hoardmaster. A trained broker (one with the Appraisal skill) lets you see the value any time you view an item, either with {v} from the stocks menu or with {k} on the ground. It will also show who owns the item if it is owned.
Melting only works on metal, and returns a portion of it to metal bars.
Ah, forgot one: items that are foreign are surrounded by (), and items that are forbidden get () too. So a foreign forbidden item would have (()). x, X, and XX are progressive forms of decay found on worn clothing. I don't remember ever seeing anything with {}, but it could be part of the tileset you're using.
Post by: Deon on February 17, 2010, 02:59:13 am
Also, vorpal+5:
1) You can mark them dumpable, but they won't be dumped.
2) Select it through "k" and "+/-" and press enter, the owner will be listed in the item description.
3) I think () are related to items which were imported/brought with immigrants/siegers, and {} definitely mark forbidden items. Thos which have no () or {} are made at your fortress and are not forbidden.
4) Armor value is in the raws (for gloves/mittens). Both of them have blockpower of 60. The fact that it's not metal means that they are 50% effective. In any case they have the same armor value, thus you have to look at their quality only. And no, they don't pick up best avaliable items, they take them at random from those which are not forbidden.
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A trained broker (one with the Appraisal skill) lets you see the valueHe asked about armor value.
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 03:30:01 am
They'll also become true alcoholics if they are "desensitized", in other words "...doesn't care about anything anymore", which can lower productivity significantly as they're always running off for a drink.
No offense, but have you actually experienced this? I thought not caring "about anything anymore" was normal for warriors, and I have not seen them start drinking more. They'd continue sparring and fighting as earlier.
EDIT: I've now looked at some of my fighters, and they have traits like "getting used to tragedy", the aforementioned "doesn't care about anything anymore" and being "a hardened individual". The first trait (and probably the second) doesn't make much sense, as there have only been few casualties in my fort (no deaths and only a couple wounded).
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 03:51:16 am
Yes, I have witnessed workers drinking extremely frequently after acquiring the trait "doesn't really care about anything anymore". I am of the school of thought that the effects of the trait are also related to personality, ie a person who was particularly upset by violence would become a drunk.
Some people have postulated that military experience and/or status (recruits, champs, civilians) might account for the difference.
My personal experience was with two dwarves, one an architect/mechanic and the other a mason. I needed a pump built shortly after a siege, and my architect literally left the job 3 times to get a drink without bringing 2 components to the site. This was after witnessing a siege, where before he had built several more distant pumps quickly and without interruption. He had 3 legendary skills, so he was certainly fast enough. He seemed to become more functional later. My top mason at the same fort displayed similar behavior, and has yet to stop drinking frequently each season.
The reason this is not considered hard fact, and is the object of much speculation on the forums, is precisely because it is something that is hard to pin down and confirm.
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 03:58:37 am
I'm gonna start a new fort soon (been having a break for a couple of weeks now), and when I get a "non-caring" dwarf I will try to keep an eye on them and record at what dates they drink, and then compare it to the normal rate, which seems to be 16 drinks a year, if I'm not mistaken. I wouldn't trust such accounts as "my architect literally left the job 3 times to get a drink without bringing 2 components to the site", and that's not because question your sincerity, but because it really looks like an eternity for a dwarf to get shit done when you're waiting for them to get done.
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 04:12:47 am
Well, you can certainly understand my skepticism, then.
Of course. My personal conviction adds little to any discussion in the lack of evidential proof to offer. This is one of those things you can't really disprove, but which is difficult to prove. We'd have to ask Toady himself or do an extensive study. Even if the study failed to produce results, you'd face scapegoat arguments like "it's further based on factor(s) X". You may prove it, but you really can't disprove it.
I'm personally a believer, because I have witnessed what I think to be conclusive evidence. I wish I had more to offer but the best I can do is say that it isn't an original concept of my own; rather a widespread rumor on the forums and (previously) the wiki.
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 04:46:24 am
We'd have to ask Toady himself or do an extensive study.
You don't think he would know what the mechanics were? I mean, assuming this whole alcoholism-like phenomenon isn't a bug and is instead working as designed.
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 04:49:53 am
We'd have to ask Toady himself or do an extensive study.
You don't think he would know what the mechanics were? I mean, assuming this whole alcoholism-like phenomenon isn't a bug and is instead working as designed.
What about saying we would need to ask Toady for the answer implied that I don't think he knows it? I don't want to troll or be mean to you, but sometimes the thought processes of forum posters make me want to scream. Why do I even need to type this!?
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 04:56:48 am
What about saying we would need to ask Toady for the answer implied that I don't think he knows it?
For fuck's sake, man, that's exactly what I meant. He would know, unless it was a bug. The above post was my, perhaps not very direct, way of asking you why you'd think this wasn't working as designed.
Why do I even need to type this!?
Kettle, meet pot.
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 04:59:59 am
Really, your whole question is a chronic case of non sequitur. I think an explanation is in order, or I'm just going to have to chock this up to being way over my head or completely illogical.
Post by: Garrie on February 17, 2010, 05:04:22 am
There are a lot of unforseen shit happen in all sorts of simulators that aren't put there intentionally by design, but the simulator links things where there was no intention to link them.We'd have to ask Toady himself or do an extensive study.
You don't think he would know what the mechanics were? I mean, assuming this whole alcoholism-like phenomenon isn't a bug and is instead working as designed.
So he might not immediately KNOW the link but with access to source code would be able to identify if one actually (intended or otherwise) comes up.
Post by: Garrie on February 17, 2010, 05:05:50 am
Who has made a blowpipe?? worth a piss-poor 2400 dwarfbux!
There must be a "worst artifacts" thread somewhere....
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 05:15:08 am
Easiest cop-out of them all ;)
It should have been obvious what I meant the first time, so what the hell are you talking about now? Read the following again:
assuming this whole alcoholism-like phenomenon isn't a bug and is instead working as designed.
I think an explanation is in order
Your observation is that dwarves "not caring about anything anymore" will start drinking way more than before, right?
Asking Toady to do a study on this doesn't make much sense to me, unless you assume beforehand that it is a bug, for which the reasons are unclear. What we'd need to know is whether this trait was intended to work as you've described. If it isn't, then it's working not as intended, and hence is a bug.
Of course I don't believe in wasting the dev's time on this sort of Mickey Mouse bullshit, so this discussion is academic, but I just want to make sure we understand each other.
EDIT: To state my question explicitly: why do you think we are dealing with a bug here? I was perhaps overly optimistic in my assumption that this question was clearly enough implied in my earlier post.
There are a lot of unforseen shit happen in all sorts of simulators that aren't put there intentionally by design, but the simulator links things where there was no intention to link them.
That would make it a bug, would it not?
What fucking use is a legendary bowyer?
I usually make my crossbows out of bone, but once you have a legendary weapon smith, it's probably gonna be best to order some copper ones. Melee damage might not be that big a deal, but having MW weapons ups their chance to hit. Accordingly, a legendary bowyer isn't useless per se, but made obsolete by a legendary weapon smith.
There must be a "worst artifacts" thread somewhere....
There is, but I wouldn't bother looking for it, because it's painfully repetitive. I mean, how many original posts can there be in a thread that's used for complaining about artifact jewelry or blow pipes?
Probably the most interesting - as in, deserving reply - posts are when people are complaining about artifact furniture, supposedly not realizing that at least that has its use. Supposedly, for some people the only artifact that's not lame is a weapon or piece of armor.
Post by: Garrie on February 17, 2010, 05:46:32 am
"Undocumented feature"? :)assuming this whole alcoholism-like phenomenon isn't a bug and is instead working as designed.There are a lot of unforseen shit happen in all sorts of simulators that aren't put there intentionally by design, but the simulator links things where there was no intention to link them.
That would make it a bug, would it not?
It's only a bug if it breaks something! This is a game which is helped by "interesting behaviour" isn't it? PS I was actually thinking of some real-world sims where, in fact, the "designed behaviour" had bought to light previously unconsidered interactions. But right now I can't think of any, and the one I did think of was a bug (implementation of kangaroos in a millitary simulator). But funny.
D'oh! that's right in missile combat a wooden or bone crossbow is just fine. So yeah a legendary bowyer isn't totally without purpose.What fucking use is a legendary bowyer?
I usually make my crossbows out of bone, but once you have a legendary weapon smith, it's probably gonna be best to order some copper ones. Melee damage might not be that big a deal, but having MW weapons ups their chance to hit. Accordingly, a legendary bowyer isn't useless per se, but made obsolete by a legendary weapon smith.
True enough. But a non-wieldable (in fort mode) blowgun worth only 2400 db's is pretty useless.There must be a "worst artifacts" thread somewhere....
There is, but I wouldn't bother looking for it, because it's painfully repetitive. I mean, how many original posts can there be in a thread that's used for complaining about artifact jewelry or blow pipes?
Probably the most interesting - as in, deserving reply - posts are when people are complaining about artifact furniture, supposedly not realizing that at least that has its use. Supposedly, for some people the only artifact that's not lame is a weapon or piece of armor.Hey I actually LIKE my artifact floodgates & querns. I had one that buffed my baronesses room out quite nicely. She still got the shits about the artifact office desk in my managers office/bedroom room though!
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 05:58:42 am
Regarding artifacts, furniture is good, even if it's only worth a couple thousand. Not only does it up the value of whichever room it is used in, as you've already said, it's also something your dwarves will admire. That isn't possible with unusable crafts or weapons, or even with clothes.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 17, 2010, 06:35:51 am
Is it better to fight with some significant wrestling skill (like level 8+) or to have a poor weapon (wooden swords, don't ask, I'm poor) with level 1 skill? :) More generally, until I get decent weapons, should I let my dwarves fight with wrestling techniques, or should I equip them with whatever crap I can get my hands on (rusty daggers found on goblins corpses, whatever :) )?
Why oh why there is not the option to change the squad option (on rest/on duty) from the view squad menu? Really, this game has the {####} interface I ever saw, and I saw many since my youth!
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 06:42:23 am
How much time is needed for a puppy to be an adult dog? I have puppies milling around since one year and none is still ready for serious stuff!
Is it better to fight with some significant wrestling skill (like level 8+) or to have a poor weapon (wooden swords, don't ask, I'm poor) with level 1 skill? :) More generally, until I get decent weapons, should I let my dwarves fight with wrestling techniques, or should I equip them with whatever crap I can get my hands on (rusty daggers found on goblins corpses, whatever :) )?
Why oh why there is not the option to change the squad option (on rest/on duty) from the view squad menu? Really, this game has the {####} interface I ever saw, and I saw many since my youth!
Puppies become adult dogs after one year. You can check this in the creature raws, looking for the entry [CHILD:n], where n stands for the age of maturity.
The wrestling skill is useful for any and all fighters, hence it is best to make them start fighting unarmed. I generally only switch to weapons once they've become legendary. Also, you won't be able to equip daggers in the unmodded game.
Post by: Garrie on February 17, 2010, 07:06:32 am
More generally, until I get decent weapons, should I let my dwarves fight with wrestling techniques, or should I equip them with whatever crap I can get my hands on (rusty daggers found on goblins corpses, whatever :) )?horrendous hack:
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It is worth telling your marksdwarves to wrestle up to legendary status because it is quicker and easier way to get their agility / strength / toughness up than shooting bone/wood at targets. You should also if you can manage it get them to spar with warhammers, because that's what their crossbow is at close range. I'd go from generic (wrestler) to specialist (marksdwarf) to cross-trained (hammerers).
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 07:18:33 am
It is worth telling your marksdwarves to wrestle up to legendary status because it is quicker and easier way to get their agility / strength / toughness up than shooting bone/wood at targets.
That really shouldn't be your reason for training them in wrestling. If you're just looking for attributes, pumping iron or operating catapults is probably faster, not to mention safer.
Wrestling, however, is indeed useful in itself, as it also makes it easier to dodge attacks. Other than that, I do not know how the mechanics of grappling defensively work, but the chance of breaking a joint lock or something might also be skill-based, as opposed to merely attribute-based.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 17, 2010, 07:45:37 am
do marksmen get a penalty from firing at point blank (adjacent to the enemy)?
unrelated: why would I want to make road on the map? Because it is fancy and a show of Dwarven* awesomeness?
*for the native English speakers, is it dwarven or dwarvish that I should use (ok, I could use dorfs it seems :)
Post by: Spong on February 17, 2010, 10:26:13 am
Post by: Deon on February 17, 2010, 11:24:57 am
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 11:43:40 am
do marksmen get a penalty from firing at point blank (adjacent to the enemy)?
I don't know whether they get a penalty per se, but the problem is that being adjacent to the enemy is dangerous in itself. Accordingly, it should probably avoided unless your champions are fairly badass and well equipped.
*for the native English speakers, is it dwarven or dwarvish that I should use (ok, I could use dorfs it seems :)
As a non-native speaker of English, I should take this exclusion as an insult.
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Post by: Sphalerite on February 17, 2010, 12:05:18 pm
If I set up an automated slaughterhouse so that animals fall onto a refuse dump will they be butchered regardless of whether they are tame or wild?Only wild animal corpses can be butchered. Tame animals can be turned into meat/fat/skins/etc only when taken by a dwarf to the butcher's shop and slaughtered. If a tame animal dies from any other cause, including being killed by a fall, drowning, repeating spike, or weapon trap in an automated slaughterhouse, its corpse will not be butcherable. If you want to design an automatic machine that throws dead animals onto a refuse dump for butchering, you will need to stock it with wild animals. (Or possibly 'savage' animals like cave crocodiles, since those seem to be butcherable after being killed by weapon traps)
Post by: nickbii on February 17, 2010, 12:23:11 pm
So I have two questions:
1) Are goblins supposed to be able to hit targets behind fortifications?
2) If so how often does it happen?
Basically I want to know if this is a bug or I'm just super-unlucky.
Nick
Post by: Baron Of Hell on February 17, 2010, 01:14:55 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on February 17, 2010, 01:19:33 pm
1) Are goblins supposed to be able to hit targets behind fortifications?Yes; fortifications aren't perfect defenses. When a shot would pass through a fortification that the shooter isn't adjacent to, they must make a skill check. If successful, the shot goes through, otherwise it bounces off the wall. Of course, higher skill levels allows for passing the skill check more often, thus fortifications are less effective against highly-skilled enemies.
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2) If so how often does it happen?As implied above, it happens much more often for elite marksgoblins than the run-of-the-mill ones that come in swarms. It's almost to the point where normal marksgoblins are totally ineffective against fortifications, and fortifications are totally ineffective against elites. Another part of the problem is that elites get a higher rate of fire, so even if only half of their shots go through it's still like the defender is sitting in the open against a few normal marksgoblins, which is of course very much lethal if unprotected.
I seem to remember hearing that the skill check's difficulty is dependent on how far away the shooter is from the fortification (where horizontal distance is exactly as beneficial as vertical distance), but I might be wrong. If so, putting a wide moat around your tower, or even just a ring of wall grates or bars a distance away (grates/bars don't interfere with ranged attacks at all, so they're good for surface shooting galleries where moats are impractical), would help protect your defenders further.
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Basically I want to know if this is a bug or I'm just super-unlucky.You might just be super-unlucky, but probably not. In the future, armor your marksdwarves, give them wrestling training when possible (for the dodge% boost), and have them carry shields. Marksdwarf defenders are rediculously effective, but they're not invincible.
Nick
How far can something fall and still live most of the time? I want to make a pit to toss enemies into that has a dragon at the bottom. I want them to live long enough to fight the dragon. I want them broken but not dead.5 is often fatal, but in my experience isn't often immediately fatal (they land, then bleed out). If you want them to actually "fight" the dragon, 2-4 should be enough to give them bruises and broken bones.
Post by: nil on February 17, 2010, 01:26:28 pm
1) Are goblins supposed to be able to hit targets behind fortifications?Highly skilled enemies can shoot through your fortifications. It'll never happen with regular bowgoblins, but the squad leaders can do it nearly at will.
2) If so how often does it happen?
Basically I want to know if this is a bug or I'm just super-unlucky.
Nick
Might as well use this opportunity to flog my dead horse and point out that there is almost never a reason to put your fortified marksdwarves on a different z-level from the things they're shooting at. Height provides no real bonus and the angle makes it far less likely that missed shots will hit the squadmates of whatever the marksdwarf is shooting at. Use moats to separate enemies from your fortifications instead.
How far can something fall and still live most of the time? I want to make a pit to toss enemies into that has a dragon at the bottom. I want them to live long enough to fight the dragon. I want them broken but not dead.
1 z level:no injuries ever
2:1-3 yellow wounds
3-3-5 yellow wounds, red wounds possible, death unlikely but possible
4-red wounds, death is common
5-many red wounds, death is probable
Post by: Dr. Hieronymous Alloy on February 17, 2010, 01:44:46 pm
Might as well use this opportunity to flog my dead horse and point out that there is almost never a reason to put your fortified marksdwarves on a different z-level from the things they're shooting at. Height provides no real bonus and the angle makes it far less likely that missed shots will hit the squadmates of whatever the marksdwarf is shooting at. Use moats to separate enemies from your fortifications instead.
What about enemies shooting in? Won't the height/angle make it more difficult for enemy bowgoblins to target your inner fortress dwarves?
When I've put fortifications up a z-level, I've generally only had dwarves standing immediately next to those fortifications get hit.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 17, 2010, 02:21:37 pm
1. Squads and counter orders
It seems my Dwarfs in squad can break off to drink water when thirsty, is this normal?
So the alternate question is, what happen if I manufacture armors while dwarves are tout not fully equipped? Will they backtrack to wear more stuff?
2.
bonus question, can the priority of tasks altered? Say I want that Woodcutting has a weight of 100 and farming 33, etc. At least I would like to know if a table exists listing the weight of each task, so I understand better how to manage the work flow.
3. If somebody has an answer about Roads: for what they are for?
4. I have berries in a food stockpile, one per square. Why the dwarves are not using one of the idle bin to pool them?
Post by: Cheddarius on February 17, 2010, 02:27:08 pm
b. Probably.
2. You can't alter priority. I don't think there's a table like that.
3. Roads keep trees from growing. So if you build a road for a caravan, it won't be blocked when trees mature.
Post by: Jim Groovester on February 17, 2010, 02:32:11 pm
1. Squads and counter orders
It seems my Dwarfs in squad can break off to drink water when thirsty, is this normal?
Yes.
So the alternate question is, what happen if I manufacture armors while dwarves are tout not fully equipped? Will they backtrack to wear more stuff?
Yes.
2.
bonus question, can the priority of tasks altered? Say I want that Woodcutting has a weight of 100 and farming 33, etc. At least I would like to know if a table exists listing the weight of each task, so I understand better how to manage the work flow.
No. Do you have a woodcutter/farmer? That's not going to work very well, since the woodcutter will be chopping down trees because designations have greater priority than building tasks (i.e., tasks generated from workshops, farms, etc.). You can't manage the priority of labor but you can manage your dwarves.
As for what tasks are higher priority than others? Here's my guess. Others will argue differently, and it's only a sampling of all jobs, and I probably forgot a few.
Eat/Drink/Sleep>Fill Pond>Remove Constructions>Pull Lever>Designations>Workshop Tasks>Trade at Depot
4. I have berries in a food stockpile, one per square. Why the dwarves are not using one of the idle bin to pool them?
That's because berries are not stored in bins. They are stored in barrels, like all other food.
3. If somebody has an answer about Roads: for what they are for?
They're used to pave areas with less materials than building floor tiles tile by tile. They are also one of the requirements for the king to arrive.
Post by: nil on February 17, 2010, 02:37:07 pm
When I've put fortifications up a z-level, I've generally only had dwarves standing immediately next to those fortifications get hit.True, but personally I rarely if ever have dwarves near fortifications who aren't immediately next to them. Other exceptions would be if you have stuff (e.g., trees) you want to shoot over or if the fortifications shoot down a gradual slope. I did say "almost never."
Man, you can barely even answer a question in this thread before someone else beats you to it! ;D
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 17, 2010, 02:41:45 pm
As for berries, I also have spare barrels, i.e have barrels in a stockpile, berries one by one in my food stockpile... and they are not pooled.
new question, I'm very confused by what my hauler will grab or not outside. Not speaking of claim/forbid here... Let's suppose that I have a refuse stockpile and that I have made sure that some stuff are not forbidden to them, what would prevent them from picking say the corpse of an antman outside, or some bone? Some general setting I mean? Because I would like them to clean the surrounding, but they don't.
Post by: nil on February 17, 2010, 02:51:58 pm
hu ok... so for squads, you'll see a constant stream of soldiers going to bed, drinking, adding a new armor if available, etc. from the frontline? This is not very cool...True, but if it makes you feel better this will be much improved in the upcoming version.
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As for berries, I also have spare barrels, i.e have barrels in a stockpile, berries one by one in my food stockpile... and they are not pooled.It takes time. First a furniture hauler has to bring the empty barrel to the food stockpile, then food haulers will (slowly) fill it up.
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new question, I'm very confused by what my hauler will grab or not outside. Not speaking of claim/forbid here... Let's suppose that I have a refuse stockpile and that I have made sure that some stuff are not forbidden to them, what would prevent them from picking say the corpse of an antman outside, or some bone? Some general setting I mean? Because I would like them to clean the surrounding, but they don't.In the [ o ]rders menu there are general settings for refuse.
Post by: happydog23 on February 17, 2010, 03:20:52 pm
hu ok... so for squads, you'll see a constant stream of soldiers going to bed, drinking, adding a new armor if available, etc. from the frontline? This is not very cool...
As for berries, I also have spare barrels, i.e have barrels in a stockpile, berries one by one in my food stockpile... and they are not pooled.
new question, I'm very confused by what my hauler will grab or not outside. Not speaking of claim/forbid here... Let's suppose that I have a refuse stockpile and that I have made sure that some stuff are not forbidden to them, what would prevent them from picking say the corpse of an antman outside, or some bone? Some general setting I mean? Because I would like them to clean the surrounding, but they don't.
What's even better is if your squad leader decides he needs a nap, the rest of the squad will follow him to bed to guard him while he sleeps.
I don't think it will happen during combat... But right before the enemy gets there or as they are on the way to engage and haven't seen the enemy yet.... definitely.
Post by: Footkerchief on February 17, 2010, 03:22:00 pm
Asking Toady to do a study on this doesn't make much sense to me
Architect said "ask Toady himself OR do an extensive study." Y'all should work harder on identifying miscommunicated points.
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 04:10:26 pm
Asking Toady to do a study on this doesn't make much sense to me
Architect said "ask Toady himself OR do an extensive study." Y'all should work harder on identifying miscommunicated points.
Oh shit, I really should have paid more attention, especially afterwards (the apparent misunderstanding on Architect's part should have been a hint of me having fucked up somewhere). Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Architect: I'm sorry for busting your balls over this.
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 04:39:08 pm
Asking Toady to do a study on this doesn't make much sense to me
Architect said "ask Toady himself OR do an extensive study." Y'all should work harder on identifying miscommunicated points.
Thank you so much! There's a point where I just give up now. It seems that once someone decides they're going to argue with you or disagree on a forum, they no longer read what you're actually writing and it is impossible to come to an understanding. I am really truly thankful that you were willing to step in and help out.
People, please look carefully for what is actually there rather than what you expect in someone's writing. It will end disputes very quickly.
Architect: I'm sorry for busting your balls over this.Don't worry about it. I've taken to just shutting up if people stop reading and start arguing.
Post by: Spong on February 17, 2010, 04:39:49 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 04:46:20 pm
I've taken to just shutting up if people stop reading and start arguing.
So after accepting my apology, you're now going to rub it in that I misread one goddamn sentence? Nice.
All I can blame myself for is not having reread your original post after the initial confusion, but you're making it sound worse than it actually was.
Post by: Footkerchief on February 17, 2010, 05:01:02 pm
Thank you so much! There's a point where I just give up now. It seems that once someone decides they're going to argue with you or disagree on a forum, they no longer read what you're actually writing and it is impossible to come to an understanding.
This goes both ways -- if you'd made a stronger effort to understand how assimilateur's reply related to your post, you would have caught the misunderstanding early. A misunderstanding, no matter whose fault it was originally, doesn't give either of you license to become openly dismissive.
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 05:21:16 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 17, 2010, 05:23:57 pm
(...) doesn't give either of you license to become openly dismissive.
Thank you, this can't be said enough.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 17, 2010, 05:25:46 pm
The stupid elves have stopped bringing me nice creatures, I managed to get a tamed wolf from them the first time they showed up but every time they come since then they just have barrels of cloth. Have I pissed them off in some way?Just the opposite. Elves are freaky; the more they like you, the worse the stuff they bring becomes. Kill them all and/or seize all of their goods a couple times and they'll stop bringing oodles of cloth and start bringing useful stuff again.
The reason behind this behavior, incidentally, appears to be directly related to the low carrying capacity of pack animals without wagons. When the merchants come, they have a set amount of stuff that they want to bring which often weighs too much to carry in, so they bring only part of it. They load up on binned items first, which means that if the elves like you a lot, they want to bring so many bins of cloth that they can't then fit anything else on the pack animals and so don't. Making them less happy then reduces the number of bins they bring until they can actually fit other stuff on there.
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 05:35:10 pm
Alternately, you can go into the RAWs and change the carrying capacity of each animal. The default is from 1000-1500 on pack animals; I just set it to 40k recently for kicks. 5000 would be plenty.
Looking up the thread with the info for you...
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=49261.0
Found it.
Post by: Spong on February 17, 2010, 06:07:34 pm
Post by: Quantum Toast on February 17, 2010, 07:41:20 pm
They're gluttons for punishment.Incidentally, will this make the pack animals go at some ungodly-slow speed due to the extra weight (like how traders love loading all their heavy stuff onto one wagon, which is still plodding towards the depot when the traders decide it's time to go), or does the extra capacity prevent that?
Alternately, you can go into the RAWs and change the carrying capacity of each animal. The default is from 1000-1500 on pack animals; I just set it to 40k recently for kicks. 5000 would be plenty.
Looking up the thread with the info for you...
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=49261.0
Found it.
Post by: Ari on February 17, 2010, 10:48:31 pm
Post by: The Architect on February 17, 2010, 10:58:46 pm
Incidentally, will this make the pack animals go at some ungodly-slow speed due to the extra weight...?
Not as far as I've observed.
Post by: nil on February 17, 2010, 11:27:26 pm
This is more technical, but how can I increase the resolution and grid count properly? Every time I mess with it, my input times are laggy or do not register, and the screen is warped. I followed the wiki page for technical tricks, but I do not understand the grid count posted at the bottom of the page.Easiest thing to do is to switch to one of the new d* versions, which support window resizing and zooming (among other things). 40d17 (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=44829.0) is the newest, but I hear it has some stability issues, so you might want to go for 40d16 (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=40349.0) instead.
Post by: OddProphet on February 18, 2010, 01:38:30 am
EDIT: Also, how do I remove their belongings?
EDIT: Also, my DM demands an item in his Throne Room. Levers, statues and whatnot aren't satisfying her.
Post by: The Architect on February 18, 2010, 01:44:15 am
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I forgot to set the boiling point of the gas inside the body of a floating creature, so the poor thing died with the message "<name> has condensed."
Even the errors and bugs in this game are awesome.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 18, 2010, 01:48:06 am
2. Can puppies in cage grow to adulthood?
3. Are caravans of a given civ always arriving on the same spot? Because it seems I need to put road to show them the way...
Post by: Particleman on February 18, 2010, 01:57:32 am
I cannot for the life of me understand how to move around caged prisoners. I recently caught a batch of ambushers and would REALLY like to collapse a few tons of rock above their heads, but Animal Stockpile and Q/K/V --> Cage Trap all fail me.
EDIT: Also, how do I remove their belongings?
EDIT: Also, my DM demands an item in his Throne Room. Levers, statues and whatnot aren't satisfying her.
Caged prisoners go in in animal stockpiles. You can also build thier cages somewhere permanent, the same way you build a chair or a table. If you forbid the cage traps before they caught anything, the cages will remain forbidden once something is in them. You'll have to claim them to move them around.
The easiest way to remove thier belongings is to mass designate thier cages for dumping, then use the loo(k) command to remove the dump designation on the cages themselves. Your dwarves will strip them of everything they're wearing or carrying, but leave the cages where they are and won't release the prisoners.
Your Dungeon Master is probably demanding an item of a specific material. His demand should read something like "Bismuth Bronze item in throne room" or "Obsidian item in throne room."
1. In stockpiles, you have the option to set a number of barrels and bins... It is at zero by default... How can I specify I don't want any bins in a given stockpile with that?
2. Can puppies in cage grow to adulthood?
3. Are caravans of a given civ always arriving on the same spot? Because it seems I need to put road to show them the way...
Sorry, I'm not sure about the first one. As for 2, yes. As for 3, I don't beleive so. They might tend to come from the same direction (this is just a guess, I don't know for sure), but they won't ALWAYS enter the map from the exact same tile. They'll never spawn on an edge tile where they can't reach the depot, provided there's at least one clear path to it.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 18, 2010, 02:04:25 am
Stone hauling & Dump
This one really confuse me. I have some non forbidden stones outside, which I have set to (D)ump, and I have a Dump area. My Dw can work outside, I have 6 haulers with Refuse enabled and they are all idle. What is the setting I'm missing to retrieve these stones?
Post by: OddProphet on February 18, 2010, 02:28:57 am
EDIT: I tried taking a stone crafter and removing all labors save "Animal Hauling". He went idle until I gave him his job back.
Post by: Particleman on February 18, 2010, 02:33:39 am
10 idlers, and none of them will touch the goblin cages! What went wrong? I have the animal stockpile ready and waiting!
Are the cages forbidden? Do the idlers have Animal Hauling enabled?
Post by: The Architect on February 18, 2010, 02:43:19 am
Post by: OddProphet on February 18, 2010, 02:43:46 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 18, 2010, 02:48:25 am
Dumped items are now garbage, so won't be dumped if outside, unless the Dump Outside general setting is enabled!!
Post by: The Architect on February 18, 2010, 02:50:55 am
I got it!!
Dumped items are now garbage, so won't be dumped if outside, unless the Dump Outside general setting is enabled!!
There are multiple problems he could be having with the {o} menu, I just don't care to hash through them. Someone want to take up the torch? Any number of incorrect settings could cause problems, such as outdoor traps and a restriction keeping dwarves indoors.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 18, 2010, 04:10:29 am
I was wondering about something... let's say that:
1. I have only one stone stockpile, inside.
2. no dorfs have stone hauling
3. I have a stone outside
4. I create a food stockpile underneath
What would happen when a dorf want to put a food into it. Will it push one square the stone, or move it to the nearest legit stockpile = the one inside.
Yes, I could test, but not at work :)
Post by: Retro on February 18, 2010, 05:07:42 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 18, 2010, 05:45:05 am
Thanks for the answer, crystal clear, and give me more understanding of the logic of the game.
Post by: Garrie on February 18, 2010, 07:44:34 am
If I follow what you're saying (and I'm not entirely sure I do), you have a food stockpile placed under a stone and a stone stockpile placed elsewhere. Well, the stone wouldn't be moved because there'd be no one to stockpile it, and the food wouldn't be placed in the food stockpile because there'd be no free area to store it until the stone on top was moved for various reasons, so, uh... I guess nothing at all would happen. Dwarves won't actively move objects off stockpiles that shouldn't be there, you need to have them dispose of the 'bad' objects so that the stockpile has free space for the 'good' ones.My recollection is dwarves will ignore existing items to place items in a stockpile. That is if you have a stone stockpile, then use the settings to disable stone and enable food - they will leave the stone there and drop food on top of it.
But I could be wrong. Except for food (and sometimes blocks or finished goods) I try not to haul to stockpiles
Post by: Spong on February 18, 2010, 07:47:35 am
They're gluttons for punishment.
Alternately, you can go into the RAWs and change the carrying capacity of each animal. The default is from 1000-1500 on pack animals; I just set it to 40k recently for kicks. 5000 would be plenty.
Looking up the thread with the info for you...
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=49261.0
Found it.
Hmm, having changed the pack animals to have the same carrying capacity as wagons the first elf caravan has arrived in the Spring - I'm not sure if its related to the edit but I'm getting a consistent crash when they are on their way to my trade depot and I didn't get crashes before the edit.
Error log:
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Note that I put those lines in bold where I said it repeats itself because the errorlog was so long copying it into my reply and putting spoiler tags round it was crashing mozilla firefox.
I've just reduced their capacity to 5000 to see if that helps, just about to test it, but I'm not entirely convinced its the cause of the problem anyway.
Edit: Well reducing the capacity to 5000 seems to have stopped the crash, for all the good its done me, the elves brought a number of non-ferocious creatures and empty cages but nothing remotely useful. Somehow I don't think my fort will benefit from chaining up mules, horses, donkeys, rats and hedgehogs at the entrance. Where are my giant eagles and scorpions, crocodiles and alligators, grizzly bears and wolves, gorillas and elephants, lions, leopards, tigers and jaguars?
FUUUUUUUUUU-
Stupid elves.
Post by: The Architect on February 18, 2010, 08:26:41 am
Probably just a bug that wasn't your fault anyway. Whatever creatures the elves bring seems somewhat randomized. I hope someone with more experience has a better answer, like "They bring things from biomes their civilization has settled in" or something like that. I just don't know.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 18, 2010, 09:05:37 am
hu ok... but if I get the message that they found a path to my non reachable depot (something like that) ,it means I only get a caravan with mules but without the wagon, right? So I need to clear the path to the edge with a road I guess?
Caravans with wagons need a 3 tile wide path from a map edge to your depot. This path does not need to be constructed from roads, but it does need to be clear of boulders and trees. In most cases it does not matter where or on which edge you connect it to, or where you put your depot. There are some unusual cases with sites bisected by rivers or other impassable terrain, where caravans will only spawn on one or the other side of the map.
If there are multiple different places where a caravan can spawn, they will pick one at random. If there is not a three tile wide path between a map edge and your depot, you will only get small caravans consisting of pack animals and no wagons. These will spawn in any random spot on the map edge. Elven caravans always consist of only pack animals, but will appear where a caravan with wagons would appear if such a spot is available. Immigrants, diplomats, and trade liaisons always pick a different random spot to appear each time.
Post by: Atlar on February 18, 2010, 10:10:41 am
2.Water: Do underground water sources dry up?
3.Water: Would it be possible to create a stable running source of water from a(/some) murky pools? I think of letting the water flow down a few z levels (where it would create a small river) then pumping it up again (where it would flow back in the pool)... possible?
4.Does tower-cap grow near an artficial underground water source?
thanks in advance!
Post by: Rolan7 on February 18, 2010, 11:18:36 am
1.Injury: One of my dwarves broke his leg in combat, he is resting now for the third year... Could my water source(which is a murky outside water pool) be the reason for this? Or what else could cause such a coma from only a broken leg?
2.Water: Do underground water sources dry up?
3.Water: Would it be possible to create a stable running source of water from a(/some) murky pools? I think of letting the water flow down a few z levels (where it would create a small river) then pumping it up again (where it would flow back in the pool)... possible?
4.Does tower-cap grow near an artficial underground water source?
thanks in advance!
1) Wounds heal very randomly, I've never heard anyone speculate that low-quality water slows healing. Water doesn't seem related to healing, in fact: I often have my wounded dwarves drink booze (by deconstructing their hospital beds) when I don't have water. They seem to heal normally. On a technical note, I'd be surprised if water in a bucket carried any information about it's source.
2) Not unless you drain the water out of an underground pool (:
3) Yes, if it rains and isn't too hot, you can harvest rainwater from murky pools. However, don't put it back in the murky pools! Any water in a murky pool is subject to evaporation, and it'll just get in the way of further rain.
4) Tower-caps will start growing on any muddy underground tiles, anywhere. This includes water channels, even constructed ones, so build floors (roads might work too) anywhere you're channeling water underground or trees will block the flow. Even if it's magma.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 18, 2010, 12:28:43 pm
Just remember that tower-caps will only ever grow if you have discovered a naturally occurring underground water source - a pool or an underground river. The discovery message you get when you find one of those two features is a necessary trigger to unlock tower-caps and other underground plants. Once that has happened tower-caps will grow on any muddied underground soil or rock, regardless of where they are on the map or what the source of the water that muddied that tile was.4.Does tower-cap grow near an artficial underground water source?4) Tower-caps will start growing on any muddy underground tiles, anywhere. This includes water channels, even constructed ones, so build floors (roads might work too) anywhere you're channeling water underground or trees will block the flow. Even if it's magma.
Post by: Deon on February 18, 2010, 12:48:52 pm
They'll also become true alcoholics if they are "desensitized", in other words "...doesn't care about anything anymore", which can lower productivity significantly as they're always running off for a drink.
No offense, but have you actually experienced this? I thought not caring "about anything anymore" was normal for warriors, and I have not seen them start drinking more. They'd continue sparring and fighting as earlier.
EDIT: I've now looked at some of my fighters, and they have traits like "getting used to tragedy", the aforementioned "doesn't care about anything anymore" and being "a hardened individual". The first trait (and probably the second) doesn't make much sense, as there have only been few casualties in my fort (no deaths and only a couple wounded).
OK. It's really that easy. I want to make this post so others could link to it later :P.
Thus I type:
elves chop trees!!!
Now this is something you don't see on forums, so if you would want to find this post, type "elves chop trees" in the search.
Now, the answer, to bust the myth:
Hello Tarn! If you have a time, could you help me to resolve an unneeded debate? Does "does not care for anything anymore" trait make dwarves to drink more than usual or not?
From what I can tell, it only effects the happiness effects for dwarves, but if a creature that does not have the alcohol dependence of dwarves gets to the maximum value, they acquire it.
It's really that easy to get a correct answer, much easier than to build unneeded debates :P.
Toady One is god, but a caring one. He answers our questions ;).
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 18, 2010, 02:08:51 pm
I have a secretive clothier demanding stacked cloth and shell.
This correspond if not mistaken to silk cloth and turtle shell?
He is not moving to get it, some silk cloth are lying on the ground just a few tiles from him. What's going on?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 18, 2010, 02:09:51 pm
Post by: Heliman on February 18, 2010, 02:27:21 pm
2: how many squares in that single z-level can I dig through?
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 18, 2010, 02:56:17 pm
He may require plant cloth, made from pig tails or similar.
right, but why he don't take my extra turtle shell? the item is in a dump pile outside, is not forbidden, civilian can go outside, path exists.
Post by: sproingie on February 18, 2010, 03:41:26 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on February 18, 2010, 03:59:54 pm
He may require plant cloth, made from pig tails or similar.
right, but why he don't take my extra turtle shell? the item is in a dump pile outside, is not forbidden, civilian can go outside, path exists.
Strange mood dwarves always collect the desired ingredients in order. He won't collect the shell until he's got his cloth.
I'm pretty sure Sphalerite's right about it needing to be plant cloth instead of silk. Any type of shell will work though, it doesn't have to be lobster shell, so don't worry about that.
Post by: Garth on February 18, 2010, 04:29:36 pm
Does this mean there SHOULD be an underground river somewhere?
Or will I just have to do without water?
Post by: The Architect on February 18, 2010, 04:32:17 pm
There's plenty of trees on my embark site, yet no river, and it rarely rains..There's no way of knowing whether you have an underground river at your site unless you checked with the site finder on embark, or you cheat with a utility. You'll just have to dig around and look or find a new site.
Does this mean there SHOULD be an underground river somewhere?
Or will I just have to do without water?
Post by: Garth on February 18, 2010, 04:43:11 pm
They're all in cages although.
I plan to dig out a ditch to hold them in, but I'm not sure how to designate it as a place to keep the animals.
I know how to make pits, but how do I tell my dwarves to release the animals into the pit?
Post by: The Architect on February 18, 2010, 04:45:21 pm
Post by: Particleman on February 18, 2010, 06:23:55 pm
1:How many squares are one z-level of embark tile?
2: how many squares in that single z-level can I dig through?
These don't make any sense.
Post by: Ari on February 18, 2010, 08:41:22 pm
This is more technical, but how can I increase the resolution and grid count properly? Every time I mess with it, my input times are laggy or do not register, and the screen is warped. I followed the wiki page for technical tricks, but I do not understand the grid count posted at the bottom of the page.Easiest thing to do is to switch to one of the new d* versions, which support window resizing and zooming (among other things). 40d17 (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=44829.0) is the newest, but I hear it has some stability issues, so you might want to go for 40d16 (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=40349.0) instead.
I have the newest version. Guess the slowdown is just part of it. Was playing Mayday's custom tileset through the tutorial. I just like the vanilla look better.
Post by: Atlar on February 18, 2010, 09:53:21 pm
1:How many squares are one z-level of embark tile?
2: how many squares in that single z-level can I dig through?
These don't make any sense.
I think he wants to know how many z level one can go up and down from the level of embark. At least thats what I would like to know ;D
Post by: The Architect on February 18, 2010, 10:00:58 pm
The number of z-levels is thus dependant on the range of elevations in your embark. I have one file where I embarked on the side of a named Mountain with 160 z-levels.
Post by: Atlar on February 18, 2010, 10:25:07 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on February 18, 2010, 10:32:55 pm
Thanks, though i would have prefered to read "as deep as you like, mate! But beware of the demons in hell!" or so...Such a thing is coming, eventually. Next version, the underground limit is supposedly being increased to 50+ z-levels, with levels becoming increasingly dangerous as you dig deeper, as well as more rewarding (supposedly there's going to be magma more-or-less on every map if you dig deep enough for it). It's not going to be truly infinite yet, but the underground is going to be much more interesting.
Post by: mission0 on February 18, 2010, 11:29:01 pm
If I poor magma in a 4/7 or higher column ontop of a up/down stair case then poor magma on it. Will the stairs disapear or if you mine out the obsidian made will the stair still be there incased?
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 01:06:39 am
My question is simple enough.
If I pour magma in a 4/7 or higher column ontop of a up/down staircase then pour water on it, will the stairs disappear, or if you mine out the obsidian made will the stairs still be there encased?
The stairs will be destroyed, though your miners can just dig an up/down staircase and it will be just as if they'd dug around the old stone staircase. It will then be an obsidian staircase.
Post by: Heliman on February 19, 2010, 01:18:03 am
Oh cmon.1:How many squares are one z-level of embark tile?
2: how many squares in that single z-level can I dig through?
These don't make any sense.
Say you embark into an area that is one tile wide on your embark screen. after embarking, you are shown a small area that is ground level of your map.
My first question is HOW many squares that area is.
My second is if you were to dig downward 1 level, HOW many spaces could you dig into?
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 01:42:52 am
What happen when the dorfs have dropped used clothing... Will they move naked?
If I manufacture clothes, will wear it, but will they own it or I own it?
My point is to know if they will again drop the used stuff on the ground, while owning it, thus preventing me some clean up. I know at least they don't own armor, so perhaps I can send them naked under their armor in battle :)
2 - Ultra-compression storage:
If I want to store things in one tile, for example 50 bins of goods, would this work?:
ask to dump the bins all in one square, then claim them and put under a square of 'stockpile goods'
3- Siege exploits
I don't want to exploit the game on siege. So... If I dig a moat with a retractable bridge, then raise the bridge... Nobody can reach me, right? I would call that an exploit. Or the besiegers can still do something, like filling a bit of the moat to pass? I would hope they do that. I think that Stronghold was far less exploitable than DF on this aspect of the game...
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 04:12:21 am
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This is more technical, but how can I increase the resolution and grid count properly?If you use the latest versions, you can:
1) mouse-drag the window edge to change its size.
2) use mouse wheel to zoom out.
3) press ctlr-F10 and use mouse wheel to zoom in (it changes modes)
Well there is a way to know if there's NO underground features.There's plenty of trees on my embark site, yet no river, and it rarely rains..There's no way of knowing whether you have an underground river at your site unless you checked with the site finder on embark
Does this mean there SHOULD be an underground river somewhere?
Or will I just have to do without water?
Currently all the main features (except for rare magma pools in plains) are in mountain regions. So if you haven't got a mountain as a part of your embark rectangle, you don't have any water.
If you have a mountain tile or a few in your embark rectangle, the features like UG water/pool may be only under those tiles, so it limits the area of exploration drastically.
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 04:17:43 am
1 - of used socks and smelly pants...They own the things they intentionally get for themselves, such as clothing items and trinkets and stuff. They don't own items you assign to them: armor/weapons/tools. They happily run around in rotten clothes because Toady One remove the unhappy thought from that, and once the economy kicks in, they buy clothes and store them in their cabinets. At least I haven't got a single clothing item to rot away before the economy starts.
2 - Ultra-compression storage:This is called a "quantum storage" trick, many people do it a lot, i.e. I do it with my craftsdwarf's workshop: I drop stone from a z+1 on a tile next to craftsdwarf's workshop, and he always gets TONS of stone and he doesn't have to run to get it. I place mason's workshop nearby so they share the pile.
3- Siege exploitsCurrently you can do it easily. Improved sieges are in the future development plans, Toady One just can't do everything at once :P. For now I don't use this trick anymore, but some mods require it.
You should see a Beefmo's animation about it:
(http://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss262/beefmo/Vile-force-of-darkness-1.gif)
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 04:22:18 am
I've found underground pools, rivers, and magma pipes in non-mountain biomes. I don't know where you are getting your information or how you can explain that. There is certainly no guarantee that he will not find any one of those features in any biome if he looks for them.
If you would like an embark file with underground rivers in the tundra, magma in abundance at the seaside, and aquifers under a glacier I'd be happy to oblige. Certainly the default settings tend to produce certain configurations, and some biomes and formations are likely to occur together. But less common combinations are not impossible.
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 04:24:47 am
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Deon, I really don't think that they are exclusively found in mountain regions. The only feature exclusively found in mountain biomes is HFS.
Show me a screenshot of ANY underground river NOT in a mountain biome, then... Well, try it :).
As I told, magma pools and pipes are everywhere, but rivers/pools/chasms/bottomless pits are mountain features. I'd suggest you check it out by yourself before you start another forum myth :P.
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 04:31:08 am
Now, I don't trust the wiki 100% but I've experienced a lot of things so THESE are right:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Underground_river
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Underground_pool
So sir, please, next time you're confused, don't make it into a bandwagon.
The previous case had you stating that "doesn't care about anything anymore" makes dwarves into alcoholics, and it looked like a lot of people believed your wrong conclusion.
P.S. If you couldn't extract the information from the above links (just in case, I don't try to be funny or to insult you), this is the right info:
Quote from: Deon
Currently all the main features (except for rare magma pools in plains) are in mountain regions. So if you haven't got a mountain as a part of your embark rectangle, you don't have any water.
If you have a mountain tile or a few in your embark rectangle, the features like UG water/pool may be only under those tiles, so it limits the area of exploration drastically.
The very promising feature of the next release is the avaliability of non-mountain features which we were waiting for since the move from 2d to 3d DF.
P.P.S.
Quote from: Architect
I've found underground pools, rivers, and magma pipes in non-mountain biomes.Now, let's return to you stating that you have a prove of a common fact being wrong. I really want to see the save of the game with an underground river as a non-mountain feature. It sounds as a bug because nobody else saw it, so please upload it to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ and let us check. I'll pm Toady One and ask how did it happen, it's the only good way to get fast real answers.
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 04:57:56 am
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 05:03:38 am
And I don't want you to spread false rumors, that's all, really. Nothing personal ;).
P.S. Also thanks for not "going there", my post could sound too accusing and I know a lot of people who would start a flamewar here, and I would be guilty, I know it.
Actually from other posts I quite like the way you exist here, you even cause less disorder than do I. The only problem I see is the lack of facts, and they come with experience only so noone can accuse you of this :P. Keep on searching the truth. And save please, you've got me really intrigued ;).
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 05:08:10 am
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 05:15:23 am
Seriously now, what the hell is it with The Architect taking everything personally?
You can't take two incidents as a generality.
I explained myself carefully to you in the first, at which point you refused to reread what I had written and continued to berate me over my stupidity for suggesting something I never had. I stopped replying to avoid a flamewar over someone's failure to understand what "or" means. Tack stepped in and pointed out your mistake. You apologized, I accepted, and I said that it was important to read carefully before flaming. You took that as a rejection of your apology, and are now moving on to making me out as a villain in other threads. See a pattern?
Here, I tried to point out what I believe to be the truth about map features. Deon's response was to accuse me of intentionally spreading disinformation on multiple counts. If that's not picking a fight, I don't know what is.
Once again, Assimilateur, read before you flame.
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 05:18:52 am
And to sum it up, do you have non-mountain underground rivers/pools or not? That's all I want to know.
I don't want to discuss personal matters, I am interested in more possibilities for my forts.
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 05:33:51 am
And to sum it up, do you have non-mountain underground rivers/pools or not? That's all I want to know.
Magma pipes absolutely. As far as pools and rivers, I need to do some checking. It may be that erosion had caused a biome change.
So, I did some research. The wiki only mentions underground rivers and pools in mountains. However, as I have stated I have encountered them in many areas. It depends on how your map generated, as erosion and other changes can cause them to appear in unexpected places.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 05:45:16 am
I shall not exploit that until it is fixed by the Great One...
Now about...
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They own the things they intentionally get for themselves, such as clothing items and trinkets and stuff. They don't own items you assign to them: armor/weapons/tools. They happily run around in rotten clothes because Toady One remove the unhappy thought from that, and once the economy kicks in, they buy clothes and store them in their cabinets. At least I haven't got a single clothing item to rot away before the economy starts.
If they have lost (by wear and tears) a cloth, then when drafted into the military they will take new ones, if available, right? And then when they are back to civilians, they won't drop them, because even civilians wear clothes?
I don't understand how you manage to not have clothing rot away... As soon as there is an used cloth, my dwarves drop it on the ground...
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 06:02:42 am
I am having trouble understanding your specific question due to the language barrier. Armor is the only thing that dwarves put on for the military (until the new version, when we can set uniforms). This may cause them to drop bits of their civilian clothing and never bother with picking it back up again, whether they return to civilian duties or not. Some dwarves seem to litter often for no particular reason; this is definitely not intended and from my point of view it seems to be a bug. In my first megaproject fort I had one metalsmith who littered constantly (in spite of owning storage space; he was always claiming dropped rotted clothing from dead dwarves or invaders and then leaving it lying around).
Unfortunately, we cannot order any interaction with owned items. The only method I've heard of for eliminating them is moving them onto a garbage compactor by building on them (causing them to be moved to any adjacent empty square). An alternative would be peremptory execution of the offending dwarf, but I don't consider that an option.
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 06:19:18 am
I explained myself carefully to you in the first, at which point you refused to reread what I had written and continued to berate me over my stupidity for suggesting something I never had.
That's the thing, though. Formulations like
sometimes the thought processes of forum posters make me want to scream. Why do I even need to type this!?can be taken as condescending or implying stupidity, despite your assurances to the contrary. That, coupled with my mistaken perception that you were the one who misunderstood me, and not the other way around, made me reply perhaps less politely than I otherwise would have. Then I apologized, to which you responded with what sounded like a thinly-veiled insult.
I'm not saying you're sounding as confrontational as you do on purpose, only that I'm by no means alone in getting such a vibe from you, if the responses I've read are any indication.
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 07:02:44 am
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 07:11:02 am
Assimilateur, I don't want a problem with you. I didn't even report you when you attacked me for helping you. Just drop it, let's be friends. If not I'll finally have to do something about it.
Post by: Malibu Stacey on February 19, 2010, 07:31:42 am
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 07:42:50 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 08:11:31 am
I have a weapon stockpile with accept on steel XBow only
I have global stockpile it should take from with steel XBow
path exists, item haulers idle.
Nothing happen...
the weapon stockpile is made of one tile, and there is an empty bin in it. Can it be the problem? That the dorfs want an empty tile to put a new bin?
Or perhaps I can't take from a bin made of several weapons types?
Well, if you have some clues?
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 09:02:54 am
Assimilateur, it's solved, let's move on to the questions :P.
I wouldn't exactly call this solved yet, but this is probably best solved in private. No need to spam this thread with our personal bullshit.
the weapon stockpile is made of one tile, and there is an empty bin in it. Can it be the problem?
Try making a stockpile of two or more tiles, because I think that's exactly your problem. It doesn't make much sense to not fill that last empty bin or barrel in a stockpile, but that's how it seems to work.
Post by: Malibu Stacey on February 19, 2010, 09:32:27 am
The only thing I can suggest if you're not into cheating is the Water Therapy.
Part of me wants to try out the water therapy concept on this guy but I'm unsure as to whether it would even work with an amputee in the current version. I guess I could further Dwarven Science but since it'll be redundant once the new version is out there doesn't seem much point trying if it's not going to work.
I may just let him die. My fort is at 76 population now & the longer I can stave off sieges the better as the Goblin Ambushes turn up with 3 squads at a time now (usually with a couple of humans & the odd dwarf in their squads which is a first for me). My marksdwarves can handle them OK & I just got a Legendary Armorer from a Strange Mood so I can start pumping out Steel armour for them all (hoping for a Legendary Weaponsmith soon so I can replace their low quality Copper Crossbows with Masterful Steel Crossbows & Masterful Steel Bolts for massive damage).
Post by: Rolan7 on February 19, 2010, 09:37:54 am
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 09:42:43 am
Post by: Glod Glodsson on February 19, 2010, 10:50:39 am
I am trying to start a food based economy, for the first time, and decided to bring a cow and bull with me from the embark. I have the bull and cow neatly stashed away in a stable:
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OOO
OcX
OOO
ObX
OOO
O=Wall
X=Door
b=Bull
c=Cow
each tied with some rope and the door set to not allow pets to pass.
Now I have finally gotten the farms up and running and thought I might get on with the milking... only the farmer workshop says there is nothing to milk... any ideas?
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 10:57:38 am
Of course, your cows are still gonna be good for a meat, leather and bones industry.
Post by: Glod Glodsson on February 19, 2010, 11:07:12 am
Cows can't be milked in the current version. That's because of the weird mechanics of milking that require the dwarf to hold the milked creature in one hand and a bucket in the other. Accordingly, that's only possible with vermin (namely purring maggots), while cows can't be picked up that way.
Of course, your cows are still gonna be good for a meat, leather and bones industry.
Drats! where are the miniature cows when you need them... or perhaps some form of mechanical claw and bucket apparatus...hmmm... :P
thanks.
Post by: sproingie on February 19, 2010, 11:20:06 am
Say you embark into an area that is one tile wide on your embark screen. after embarking, you are shown a small area that is ground level of your map.
My first question is HOW many squares that area is.
My second is if you were to dig downward 1 level, HOW many spaces could you dig into?
One embark tile is 48x48 tiles on the game map. There are at least 15 z-levels down from "ground" level (however that's calculated), and an arbitrary number up -- I'm not sure how many on a flat map, but in mountains you can easily get several dozens.
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 11:20:36 am
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 11:23:54 am
Btw, how do you plan to make reactions which produce actual milk? You cannot use buckets in the smelter.
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 11:29:57 am
Btw, how do you plan to make reactions which produce actual milk? You cannot use buckets in the smelter.That is true. I know that liquids can be dumped out of containers, and they will still exist as usable objects. It's worth a shot.
Post by: DFPongo on February 19, 2010, 11:55:46 am
Post by: Spong on February 19, 2010, 12:08:08 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 12:25:20 pm
The dwarf on the wall don't want to move... First, he was a civilian and did not respond to any order (he was with 'no job', not 'on break'). Then I switched him to soldier with order to stand down in barrack, he don't move either.
I don't see how he can think the path is blocked, really...
(http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7824/clipboard01lzh.jpg)
Post by: Sphalerite on February 19, 2010, 12:27:02 pm
You can make custom reactions to have a milk industry. It's not the same, but it lets you play the part.You can also create custom reactions to make animals at the smelter, but they come out as verimin-size. I wonder if custom created vermin-sized cows are milkable?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 19, 2010, 12:29:07 pm
The dwarf on the wall don't want to move... First, he was a civilian and did not respond to any order (he was with 'no job', not 'on break'). Then I switched him to soldier with order to stand down in barrack, he don't move either.I'm not sure from looking at the screenshot, but it looks like there's no stair he can take down. To move downward he needs both a down stair on his level and an up stair on the level below. It appears that he only has a stair on the level below and not one on his Z-level. This would be a case where Stonesense isn't giving you an accurate picture - it looks perfectly traversable from the Stonesense shot, but DF disagrees.
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 12:30:33 pm
I wonder if custom created vermin-sized cows are milkable?
I'm sure I've seen vermin-sized cows mentioned somewhere, but the fact that I don't remember reading about anyone following through with that experiment doesn't let me expect much.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 12:41:42 pm
I love you people, how it feels to be so smart everytime ;D
Post by: Spong on February 19, 2010, 01:14:51 pm
Sorry, I don't know what the problem was without seeing what you did to the raws ;)
Probably just a bug that wasn't your fault anyway. Whatever creatures the elves bring seems somewhat randomized. I hope someone with more experience has a better answer, like "They bring things from biomes their civilization has settled in" or something like that. I just don't know.
I'm thinking at this point that the types of creatures they bring are definitely affected by what type of environment their civ is in. Judging by the fact they are bringing all the animals that occur in my own biome I'm guessing they're in exactly the same kind of environment as me, which means at best I can get eagles, wolves and cougars - real shame as I really wanted some other exotics :(. I don't suppose there's the possibility of other elves coming from much further away later? Or perhaps elves in different biomes trading between each other and then passing things on down to my dwarfs through the group i trade with?
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2010, 01:34:18 pm
They will be just puddles and dwarves will clean them.Btw, how do you plan to make reactions which produce actual milk? You cannot use buckets in the smelter.That is true. I know that liquids can be dumped out of containers, and they will still exist as usable objects. It's worth a shot.
I have a question regarding Giant Eagles, I managed to buy a couple off the Elves and got a message that some giant eagle hatchlings had been born but I can't find them anywhere in my units list, animals list, cage add list or just looking round on the map. How do they work exactly? Does this mean the female has laid eggs and I have to wait for them to hatch? Or perhaps a bug that they didn't appear?I am a bit terrified by the thought, but was the mother eagle flying above? If so, check the "corpse" list. And yum yum, giant eagle biscuits.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 02:02:37 pm
How do you manage to train your marksmen without using thousands of bolts? I don't have a rain forest to chop nearby, you know!
Post by: hachnslay on February 19, 2010, 02:37:49 pm
TrainingPersonally i use the bones of the goblins they kill.
How do you manage to train your marksmen without using thousands of bolts? I don't have a rain forest to chop nearby, you know!
room with fortifications, pit one z-level above do drop the cagetrapped goblins into, floodgate at one side for corpse retrieval.
Why shoot at stone or wood targets when you can use live goblins instead?
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 02:47:34 pm
Why shoot at stone or wood targets when you can use live goblins instead?
Yes, this is good in that it gives them 3 or 4 times (can't remember the exact figure) as much experience as practicing on stationary targets.
Also, you shouldn't have too much problem with getting bones for ammo, assuming you're raising livestock. Seriously, this is probably the most important use of a "meat" industry, as you can grow indefinite amounts of food and import vast quantities of leather, but livestock you raise yourself is going to be your best source of bones unless you're being besieged by a shitload of monsters (which shouldn't be the case for the first several years, unless you've modded your game).
Post by: geoduck on February 19, 2010, 03:04:16 pm
livestock you raise yourself is going to be your best source of bones unless you're being besieged by a shitload of monsters (which shouldn't be the case for the first several years, unless you've modded your game).
Although bringing lots of turtles along when you embark will give some to start with, along with shells for any strange moods that require them.
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 03:12:00 pm
Post by: Spong on February 19, 2010, 03:26:34 pm
They will be just puddles and dwarves will clean them.Btw, how do you plan to make reactions which produce actual milk? You cannot use buckets in the smelter.That is true. I know that liquids can be dumped out of containers, and they will still exist as usable objects. It's worth a shot.I have a question regarding Giant Eagles, I managed to buy a couple off the Elves and got a message that some giant eagle hatchlings had been born but I can't find them anywhere in my units list, animals list, cage add list or just looking round on the map. How do they work exactly? Does this mean the female has laid eggs and I have to wait for them to hatch? Or perhaps a bug that they didn't appear?I am a bit terrified by the thought, but was the mother eagle flying above? If so, check the "corpse" list. And yum yum, giant eagle biscuits.
Nope, no eaglet pancakes anywhere to be found. I've had some more born since and they've shown up ok so I'm guessing it was a bug. Also my eagles haven't flown since I bought them so it couldn't be mid-air birthing. I'm not sure why they are staying on the ground either, might it have something to do with them having light grey wounds when I bought them which haven't healed? Another oddity. Perhaps if the eaglets fly when fully grown it will prove my theory.
I'm still not sure what the situation is with the elves not bringing anything else really interesting creature-wise.
Stupid elves.
Post by: mission0 on February 19, 2010, 04:13:19 pm
My question is simple enough.
If I pour magma in a 4/7 or higher column ontop of a up/down staircase then pour water on it, will the stairs disappear, or if you mine out the obsidian made will the stairs still be there encased?
The stairs will be destroyed, though your miners can just dig an up/down staircase and it will be just as if they'd dug around the old stone staircase. It will then be an obsidian staircase.
Thanks
Then a second thanks for the grammar fixes.
Post by: Particleman on February 19, 2010, 04:39:54 pm
Post by: Thorik on February 19, 2010, 04:50:36 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 19, 2010, 05:10:33 pm
you can always use archery targets, for that. ::)
Yes, but he's proposing a way of conserving bolts, right? Training on archery targets gives you like 1/4 of the experience as live targets.
And I think it would even work. At least in adventure mode, you get 30 exp. points per shot regardless of whether you hit something, so it likely works the same way in fortress mode.
Post by: Calibur on February 19, 2010, 05:19:12 pm
I have a brook and want to make a well. However, anything underground is below the brook and as far as I know, you can only have a well above water. Is it possible to channel the brook into some kind of water pit which I can then stick a well over and have it not run out of water (and flood the fortress)
Any ideas, or am I just trying the impossible/missing the obvious?
Post by: nil on February 19, 2010, 06:04:11 pm
This is a very noobish and most likely laughable question. But reading the DF Wiki has only made me more confused.This is actually a little tricky, since you're dealing with water pressure and could flood the fortress. You have two options. One, you could dump your water into a pit, then close it off using a lever and floodgates before it overflows. However, this will eventually dry out and require refilling, from your question I'm guessing you may already know about this. If you don't mind refilling every once in a while, though, this is the simplest and safest (to build) option. If you want the water source to be self refilling, you'll need to use a pump. Dig a shaft near the river to 2 z-levels below where you want your well. One level above that, dig out a horizontal wall and and least 3 squares in a line with it. Place a pump to draw water from the shaft, then place your well. The simplest, if not necessarily the best way to power the pump would probably be a windmill that powers a vertical axle running in or parallel to the feed shaft.
I have a brook and want to make a well. However, anything underground is below the brook and as far as I know, you can only have a well above water. Is it possible to channel the brook into some kind of water pit which I can then stick a well over and have it not run out of water (and flood the fortress)
Any ideas, or am I just trying the impossible/missing the obvious?
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Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 06:07:21 pm
It says 'waiting for architect', but I have 2 idle, and they don't want to go there... The well is a bit far from my fortress but still, path exists (I have some hunters using the tunnel for their hunt).
The well is below the surface, pointing to water one level below it.
Post by: nil on February 19, 2010, 06:34:52 pm
I have too a problem with a well...I'm assuming you have someone with the Architecture labor enabled? One possibility is that the chosen components are on the wrong side of a channel, perhaps the one you want to build the well in. The well may be accessible, and the parts may be able to access the well, but that doesn't always mean the dwarves can get to the parts.
It says 'waiting for architect', but I have 2 idle, and they don't want to go there... The well is a bit far from my fortress but still, path exists (I have some hunters using the tunnel for their hunt).
The well is below the surface, pointing to water one level below it.
Otherwise, are you sure its accessible? Sometimes workers can be blocked by unexpected barriers, like inside/outside orders or creatures causing the job to be canceled by scaring workers en route.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 19, 2010, 07:13:48 pm
Once the well is done, shall I transform it into an activity Pond?
I would like the dorfs to only take water from it, not from the river.
Another unrelated question, when I assign a room to my sheriff, there is always another guy assigned to the room at the same time... And no, they are not married :)
Post by: Spong on February 19, 2010, 07:14:57 pm
This is a very noobish and most likely laughable question. But reading the DF Wiki has only made me more confused.This is actually a little tricky, since you're dealing with water pressure and could flood the fortress. You have two options. One, you could dump your water into a pit, then close it off using a lever and floodgates before it overflows. However, this will eventually dry out and require refilling, from your question I'm guessing you may already know about this. If you don't mind refilling every once in a while, though, this is the simplest and safest (to build) option. If you want the water source to be self refilling, you'll need to use a pump. Dig a shaft near the river to 2 z-levels below where you want your well. One level above that, dig out a horizontal wall and and least 3 squares in a line with it. Place a pump to draw water from the shaft, then place your well. The simplest, if not necessarily the best way to power the pump would probably be a windmill that powers a vertical axle running in or parallel to the feed shaft.
I have a brook and want to make a well. However, anything underground is below the brook and as far as I know, you can only have a well above water. Is it possible to channel the brook into some kind of water pit which I can then stick a well over and have it not run out of water (and flood the fortress)
Any ideas, or am I just trying the impossible/missing the obvious?
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While I appreciate this may be true in certain circumstances in my game I have not found this to be the case - I have successfully made a subterranean well pool without pumps and it has not overflowed due to pressure - it is continuously supplied with flowing water from the brook. I do have multiple floodgates in place in case I need to shut down any part of the system for maintainence or overflow but so far it is fine. The lowest level of the brook is a z level above the channel and pool that supplies the well - much of the aqueduct is covered but the pool itself has exposed areas and they are not overflowing into the plaza. I'll post up screenies shortly.
I also have several grates in place along the aqueduct to stop any water critters getting in and drowning/nomming my citizens.
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Once the well is done, shall I transform it into an activity Pond?
I would like the dorfs to only take water from it, not from the river.
They should automatically prioritise drinking from a well over going to any other water source but if you want to make doubly sure then designate a zone round the edge of the pool as 'water source' then go to the 'orders and options menu' and 'activity zone orders' then set the option for 'only zone drinking'. Avoid designating the zone on areas of open water in the pool as you will get a ton of messages saying 'Urist McWaterDrinker cancels drink: dangerous terrain'.
Post by: The Architect on February 19, 2010, 11:55:32 pm
\Once the well is done, shall I transform it into an activity Pond?
I would like the dorfs to only take water from it, not from the river.
You need to designate it as a water source, not a pond. Dwarves take water from a source and add water to a pond.
Post by: Particleman on February 20, 2010, 02:08:46 am
More training marksdwarves up faster, actually, but yeah, you'd save on bolts as well.you can always use archery targets, for that. ::)
Yes, but he's proposing a way of conserving bolts, right?
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 20, 2010, 02:10:54 am
Questions time, again!
1. It seems to me the enemy civs archers have unlimited arrows, or I'm under false assumption?
2. Does F or D has any effect on items in the inventory of a dorf, like 'hey drop these 3 bone bolts immediately' with F... that would be cool.
3. If I mudify an underground floor, then open the cave ceiling above, can I then grow outdoors plants?
4. I have a miserable dwarf, doing tantrums. Can he raises in morale or he is definitively lost?
5. related to 4., can I plug a costly item into the room of a low level dwarf to raise his morale, and when the 'operation' is done, remove the statue for other usage, without generating an extra negative though (do dorfs trace what they lost in furniture somehow)
6. I still have a problem with my Sheriff's room. Each time I assign him to the room, there is another (male) dwarf assigned at the same time (2 persons assigned). How can it be possible?
7. I still don't get why my 'take from custom stockpile' settings don't work. I want to pick up only steel and iron xbows. In the settings, should I have in white the 'can use' and 'can not use' (I don't care to take also non usable ones), or should they be in grey? My settings are: xbow highlighted (in white), steel and iron metals highlighted, can use and can't use highlighted.
Nothing happen...
Post by: nil on February 20, 2010, 02:32:36 am
oki doki, will do about well and water source. Just to confirm, I designate a 3x3 zone at the level of the well, not where is actually the water (yes, I'm not gifted by nature ;) ).You don't actually need to designate a water source if you've built a well.
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1. It seems to me the enemy civs archers have unlimited arrows, or I'm under false assumption?No, they just have lots (40, I think). You can see how many they have by pushing enter while their quiver in the inventory is selected
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2. Does F or D has any effect on items in the inventory of a dorf, like 'hey drop these 3 bone bolts immediately' with F... that would be cool.F, not really, although it'll work for job items. D, yes, but you'll have to wait for an idle dwarf with the refuse hauler task enabled.
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4. I have a miserable dwarf, doing tantrums. Can he raises in morale or he is definitively lost?The thoughts dwarves get when tantruming are mostly positive so eventually, if he doesn't get killed, he'll work his way out of it. If he goes to jail that'll effective reset his mood, too.
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5. related to 4., can I plug a costly item into the room of a low level dwarf to raise his morale, and when the 'operation' is done, remove the statue for other usage, without generating an extra negative though (do dorfs trace what they lost in furniture somehow)Yeah, not a problem, they don't notice when their room quality goes down.
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6. I still have a problem with my Sheriff's room. Each time I assign him to the room, there is another (male) dwarf assigned at the same time (2 persons assigned). How can it be possible?Are you sure the sheriff is a dude? Sounds like they're married.
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7. I still don't get why my 'take from custom stockpile' settings don't work. I want to pick up only steel and iron xbows. In the settings, should I have in white the 'can use' and 'can not use' (I don't care to take also non usable ones), or should they be in grey? My settings are: xbow highlighted (in white), steel and iron metals highlighted, can use and can't use highlighted.Are your quality settings in the receiving stockpile enabled? If the original stockpile has bins, does the receiving one have empty bins?
Nothing happen...
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 20, 2010, 04:45:25 am
I just realized that the Sheriff was a female... So it cuts in half the value of her rooms to be married, not cool for me :)
Extra questions:
1. as clothing provides armor, should I manufacture some for the dwarves which have wear and tears (sparring)? If so, do they own it or not?
2. are things in stockpile able to rot or fade away? Example, bones in refuse, will they disappear after a while if not used?
Post by: The Architect on February 20, 2010, 05:02:18 am
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Clothing
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 20, 2010, 11:45:31 am
I never manufactured clothing. I know (because I read it) that the page on clothing in the wiki starts by saying that contrary to armor, clothes are owned by dwarves.
Yes, this is stated clearly... Still... Will it means that as soon as I manufacture clothing, if a dwarf is missing some, they will rush to get it 'first dib!', and then... as it is owned, that's over, I can't give the part to who I want?
Another question, about canceling orders... This really annoy me, this lack of control on dwarf orders. I have a soldier which want to pick up an item in a tunnel, problem, there are 20 lizardmen between him and the item (and I don't know which item, as the game don't point you on it, otherwise I would have Forbidden it).
So... I decide to switch him to civilian, in the hope this will reset his orders, but nope... He continues boldly (stoopidly to be precise)... As he is a civilian, when closing in, he realize his folly, and cancel his order... Alas, a crossbow bolt hit him, and he is unconscious, so basically dead, seeing what its coming!!
If I had more control on the orders, I would have asked him to stop and go backward asap, but I could only watch him move toward his death.
How would you manage the situation? Perhaps there are tricks I don't know...
Picture: one dwarf dead, his blood all over the place, another doing the same a bit north >:(
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Post by: The Architect on February 20, 2010, 12:15:46 pm
Don't be mistaken Architect, I have already read for several hours worth the wiki...
While most of us (myself included) don't mind answering some questions, we'd all rather post a link than write paragraphs answering something a quick wiki search would solve.
Post by: assimilateur on February 20, 2010, 12:34:39 pm
Another question, about canceling orders... This really annoy me, this lack of control on dwarf orders. I have a soldier which want to pick up an item in a tunnel, problem, there are 20 lizardmen between him and the item (and I don't know which item, as the game don't point you on it, otherwise I would have Forbidden it).
So... I decide to switch him to civilian, in the hope this will reset his orders, but nope... He continues boldly (stoopidly to be precise)... As he is a civilian, when closing in, he realize his folly, and cancel his order... Alas, a crossbow bolt hit him, and he is unconscious, so basically dead, seeing what its coming!!
There is something you should be able to do, actually. Look in the jobs menu, accessed by pressing j. As far as I know, you won't be able to view the exact item that's being tasked, but you will be able to find your guy and then select "remove creature" so he cancels it. This way you can cancel all your hauling jobs that you think are in dangerous territory, and then disable hauling on everyone (you should be using tools like Dwarf Manager or Dwarf Therapist, which make enabling and disabling jobs en masse easier), or perhaps go to standing orders and switch all the "dwarves gather n" to "ignore".
Post by: The Architect on February 20, 2010, 12:51:47 pm
You can take the pressure out of the water by forcing it to pass a diagonal cutoff.
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Post by: vorpal+5 on February 20, 2010, 03:08:39 pm
I tried to make a sortie to get my dead before an hostile group come back. I had one hauler succeed, then I switched immediately to 'Dwarves stay indoor'.
Strangely, the 3 outside did not respond to that. The lizardmen had the time to move over perhaps 50 tiles, and 3 stupids peons were still outside, doing senseless activities. Doors were still open, so a path existed to the fortress. I don't get it... This sounds mightily as an added case where dwarves don't respond to orders.
Post by: Shockandlawl on February 20, 2010, 03:29:24 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 20, 2010, 03:32:57 pm
Why are my dwarfs not hauling things to the furniture stockpile? I have a stockpile right next to the workshops, there are dwarfs with furniture hauling enabled, and the furniture is not forbidden, why do they refuse to haul it? The same goes for the siege ammo.
Other than having a lot of work that's higher up on their list, I have no idea. One reason could be that they can't reach the stockpile(s), but you said it was right next to the workshops, so that doesn't make sense.
For some reason, my dwarfs stopped storing food in barrels and began leaving everything on the floors of my food stockpile. I have plenty of empty, non-forbidden barrels. What's up with them?
Check if your food stockpile is accepting barrels. You'll see how to do it when you view a stockpile as a building, via q. You might have set the number of allowed barrels lower than it currently is by accident.
Post by: Shockandlawl on February 20, 2010, 03:49:19 pm
Check if your food stockpile is accepting barrels. You'll see how to do it when you view a stockpile as a building, via q. You might have set the number of allowed barrels lower than it currently is by accident.From the looks of it, the stockpile is accepting barrels. Sometimes they'll decide it's a good idea to put food into a barrel. Other times, they just chuck it onto the floor.
Post by: assimilateur on February 20, 2010, 03:57:47 pm
Unless you've really waited a long time and nobody's filling your barrels anymore, then that would be a problem.
Post by: Particleman on February 20, 2010, 04:17:20 pm
Another question, about canceling orders... This really annoy me, this lack of control on dwarf orders. I have a soldier which want to pick up an item in a tunnel, problem, there are 20 lizardmen between him and the item (and I don't know which item, as the game don't point you on it, otherwise I would have Forbidden it).
Then forbid them all until you kill the lizardmen.
Post by: Steev on February 20, 2010, 06:47:25 pm
Is there anything I can do to make 'em start hauling? There are no inaccessible areas and the items have not been forbidden.
Post by: nil on February 20, 2010, 07:24:35 pm
Ok, is there some sort of workers union? The carpenters are on strike, refusing to do work, nobody wants to haul anything from the carpenters, masons, clothiers, jewelers, siege, and recently wood furnace workshops :-\It's possible that you accidentally turned off hauling in the (o)rders menu. Could be a problem with the stockpiles, are you sure they're not full? Have you been feeding your dwarves booze? Are the haulers actually idle, or are they busy with some other task (including being on break or partying)?
Is there anything I can do to make 'em start hauling? There are no inaccessible areas and the items have not been forbidden.
Post by: Steev on February 20, 2010, 07:57:22 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 21, 2010, 04:31:39 am
Just curious... It seems that long tunnel with a stone trap in each tile is very cheap and extremely efficient to dispose of a siege, no? Why would I want to make others defenses except for fun?
Post by: assimilateur on February 21, 2010, 04:45:09 am
Just curious... It seems that long tunnel with a stone trap in each tile is very cheap and extremely efficient to dispose of a siege, no? Why would I want to make others defenses except for fun?
Fun is probably the all-overriding incentive for organizing defenses more elaborate than stone traps. At the very least you are going to want to experiment with the other basic trap type, namely weapon traps. They offer a great deal of customization, as the number (between 1 and 10), type and material of weapons used is entirely up to you.
Other than that, marksdwarves are very effective, but you are probably going to want to include melee warrior once you can make steel armor. Again, the incentive is fun, as it would be entirely feasible to rely on ranged defenders.
Also, if you're playing mods that subject you to sieges from trap-avoiding races, traps are naturally going to be obsolete. You could even modify your kobolds so that they siege you (instead of sending thieves), but a lot of players are using modded races like orcs, who are not just trap-avoidant, but very dangerous (due to being big, strong and well-equipped) in themselves.
Post by: Calibur on February 21, 2010, 08:11:15 am
Post by: sproingie on February 21, 2010, 11:57:07 am
Is there anything in the game that's fairly large and "bouncy"?
Nobles.
Post by: Calibur on February 21, 2010, 11:57:59 am
Is there anything in the game that's fairly large and "bouncy"?
Nobles.
That was my first thought. But then it'd just be a death machine. Need to play pinball with them so they ping about a bit before death...
Post by: nil on February 21, 2010, 12:13:50 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on February 21, 2010, 01:03:58 pm
Is there anything in the game that's fairly large and "bouncy"? I need a ball for a possible pinball machine megaproject.As far as I can tell all objects are affected in exactly the same way when thrown by bridges, as are all non-megabeast creatures.
Post by: Calibur on February 21, 2010, 01:12:47 pm
Is there anything in the game that's fairly large and "bouncy"? I need a ball for a possible pinball machine megaproject.As far as I can tell all objects are affected in exactly the same way when thrown by bridges, as are all non-megabeast creatures.
Hmm. So I guess my bumpers plan may not work as it's just going to smack into them and not ping off them.
Must commission Toady to make some kind of rubber industry..
Post by: Randomone on February 21, 2010, 02:43:53 pm
Off-Topic: First Post! ;D
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 21, 2010, 03:12:19 pm
Unless the block ones are adamantine or something.
Post by: Randomone on February 21, 2010, 03:34:54 pm
Smoothed and engraved natural walls.Thanks! I'm assuming natural unsmoothed walls are superior to block walls then.
Unless the block ones are adamantine or something.
What are the values of the different types of walls? (unsmoothed,smoothed,engraved,rough,block)
Thanks again! ;D
Post by: NecroRebel on February 21, 2010, 03:48:54 pm
Thanks! I'm assuming natural unsmoothed walls are superior to block walls then.Unsmoothed natural walls actually are worse than block walls if both are of ordinary stone, while smoothed natural walls are just as valuable. It's engravings that really push the value up; an engraving is worth 10*the material's modifier*the engraving's quality modifier, which is added to the smoothed wall's value.
What are the values of the different types of walls? (unsmoothed,smoothed,engraved,rough,block)
Thanks again! ;D
From the wiki's article on rooms, (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Room) which includes a section on room value, a rough normal-stone wall is worth 1, while a smoothed normal-stone wall is worth 5. 2-value stone (like flux and cheap metal ores) are 2 for rough and 18 for smooth, while 3-value stone (obsidian) is 3 and 27. Rough constructed stone walls are worth 3*the stone's material modifier, while block walls are worth 5* the stone's material modifier.
All this taken together means that gold and steel floors and walls are better for value than normal, 1-value stone engravings will ever be. Flux should never be covered by anything less than aluminum and platinum, while obsidian walls and floors are worth more than anything save adamantine. High-value soaps can outdo anything, but soap is of course very difficult to get ahold of in large quantities (even somewhat harder than aluminum), so is usually ignorable.
Since the materials needed to outdo even common-stone engravings are so rare, it's almost always better to keep natural walls and floors than to try constructing rooms.
Post by: spikedball on February 21, 2010, 08:52:01 pm
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Post by: The Architect on February 22, 2010, 08:57:03 am
When there is obsidian as a layer of the biome can I be sure to find some magma? How about rhyolite and the like?
There should be some in the area, but you won't find it unless your embark zone included it.
When I try to reclaim a fortress which has HFS, a chasm, an underground river and a pool, and a bottomless pit, I get 70+ dwarves. Is there a way to lessen their numbers without digging some sort of messy passage so the marksdwarves can shoot everything?
Lessen whose numbers? I don't really understand the question, sorry. Are you asking for a combat strategy?
Post by: happydog23 on February 22, 2010, 01:44:11 pm
Thanks! I'm assuming natural unsmoothed walls are superior to block walls then.
What are the values of the different types of walls? (unsmoothed,smoothed,engraved,rough,block)
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So basically an obsidian megaproject is worth way more of cast obsidian instead of blocked obsidian...
Question though... Say you're making a really stupidly large megaproject.... Like 100,000 blocks would be needed... Does it end up being better for lag (assuming "constant" pathing lag) to have stuff of cast obsidian... IE you don't have it show up in the stocks menu?
Post by: The Architect on February 22, 2010, 01:49:10 pm
It's definitely easier on the player to cast obsidian than to have 100,000 stone blocks made. Odd shapes being the exception at times, though it's still often easier to simply use subtractive sculpture.
Post by: John Keel on February 22, 2010, 08:18:31 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on February 22, 2010, 08:54:54 pm
How large, exactly, is a magma pipe? I know that the aboveground ones are about 20 tiles in diameter in my experience, but what about underground? Also, what's a good way to find them?They're roughly between 10 and 30 tiles in diameter, with a random size on each level they occupy. From the top z-level they're on, which is usually within 5 z-levels of the surface, they go straight to the bottom.
Magma pipes invariably occupy the center of the local block they're in. This means that if you count 24 tiles from each corner and dig stairs straight down, then every 48 squares from those 4 staircases, you will find it if present. This method also invariably finds bottomless pits, magma pools, and underground pools, as they, too, occupy the center of their local block (each of which is 48x48 tiles on the game map).
Post by: John Keel on February 22, 2010, 09:19:06 pm
How large, exactly, is a magma pipe? I know that the aboveground ones are about 20 tiles in diameter in my experience, but what about underground? Also, what's a good way to find them?They're roughly between 10 and 30 tiles in diameter, with a random size on each level they occupy. From the top z-level they're on, which is usually within 5 z-levels of the surface, they go straight to the bottom.
Magma pipes invariably occupy the center of the local block they're in. This means that if you count 24 tiles from each corner and dig stairs straight down, then every 48 squares from those 4 staircases, you will find it if present. This method also invariably finds bottomless pits, magma pools, and underground pools, as they, too, occupy the center of their local block (each of which is 48x48 tiles on the game map).
Though that's a bit strange, it makes my life a LOT easier. Thanks!
Post by: spikedball on February 22, 2010, 09:21:59 pm
Lessen whose numbers? I don't really understand the question, sorry. Are you asking for a combat strategy?I want a rather small reclaim party. I'm fine with 21 dwarf, I can understand having 49, but definitely do not want 70 - they're unskilled and have negative expendability.
IIRC, the size of reclaim party is determined by taking into account fortress wealth, fortress size, and mainly, number of active enemy units. If I still want to reclaim with less than 70 dwarves, I have to either kill all the enemies before reclaiming (tried that with a batman adventurer, killed 894 and it didn't work) or reclaim, genocide them, destroy their spawning areas, then abandon and reclaim again.
By the way, messing with the population cap didn't work.
Post by: garfield751 on February 22, 2010, 09:57:39 pm
Lessen whose numbers? I don't really understand the question, sorry. Are you asking for a combat strategy?I want a rather small reclaim party. I'm fine with 21 dwarf, I can understand having 49, but definitely do not want 70 - they're unskilled and have negative expendability.
IIRC, the size of reclaim party is determined by taking into account fortress wealth, fortress size, and mainly, number of active enemy units. If I still want to reclaim with less than 70 dwarves, I have to either kill all the enemies before reclaiming (tried that with a batman adventurer, killed 894 and it didn't work) or reclaim, genocide them, destroy their spawning areas, then abandon and reclaim again.
By the way, messing with the population cap didn't work.
You could use a utility called tweek
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/User:Rick/Tweak
although im not sure if it will affect reclaims
Post by: The Architect on February 23, 2010, 05:16:52 am
Post by: Garrie on February 23, 2010, 07:12:32 am
It's not strange: they aren't placed randomly on an individual tile, it's just that what tile they are on is picked randomly.
Though that's a bit strange, it makes my life a LOT easier. Thanks!
But thanks for asking, you saved me asking the same question. I'm looking from the bottom z-layer for what is meant to be a pipe so I'll try the same technique.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 23, 2010, 08:56:29 am
For once I want a soldier to switch to 'pick up equipment' job, and the silly dwarf stay put! Here is the situation:
I lost my woodcutter far from the fort, in zombis land... He owned the only axe and I direly need it. So I send a little rescue party... for the axe, not the corpse (it is already rotten anyway). After some light fights, they arrive at destination...
The party leader was set to fight unarmed, so don't have weapons.
I now switch the steel axe (on the ground) to 'claim'. No dump, no forbid, it is my axe!
I switch the leader to 'axedwarf'. This is validated (it does not return to wrestler...)
I wait... and wait. Nothing, the leader stays in no weapon mode, with the axe just one tile from him.
Why don't he choose to pick up, he is supposed to be an axedwarf, with a valid axe just nearby? ???
Post by: The Architect on February 23, 2010, 09:05:06 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 23, 2010, 09:46:09 am
I can also see if switching the wrestler into woodcutter will let him grab the axe, then once he get it I switch him back into soldier so I can direct him where I want...
but thanks for the idea, it let me think a bit more of what I could do.
Post by: The Architect on February 23, 2010, 10:05:19 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 23, 2010, 12:59:41 pm
Job: craft bone armor
global order: dwarves don't gather outside refuse
the object: an antman bone outside, not on a refuse or garbage stockpile/zone
not forbidden, not dumped, 'I own it as the antman was killed by one of my soldier'
Why the crafter go get it? It is not on a stockpile. This is an outside refuse. I'm confused. Should I forbid all bones and chunks from the kills on my soldiers over all the map to prevent crafter crossing the map to get his last bone?
Post by: Sulphuratum on February 23, 2010, 01:36:15 pm
Post by: The Architect on February 23, 2010, 01:42:56 pm
I have another case to fill :)
Job: craft bone armor
global order: dwarves don't gather outside refuse
the object: an antman bone outside, not on a refuse or garbage stockpile/zone
not forbidden, not dumped, 'I own it as the antman was killed by one of my soldier'
Why the crafter go get it? It is not on a stockpile. This is an outside refuse. I'm confused. Should I forbid all bones and chunks from the kills on my soldiers over all the map to prevent crafter crossing the map to get his last bone?
Because the job was set before you gave that order. Get the job cancelled once and it will go away.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 23, 2010, 02:18:59 pm
So you confirm that no bones outside, if not on a stockpile, not with (D)ump and without 'dwarves collect outside refuse' enabled should be grabbed?
Post by: The Architect on February 23, 2010, 06:00:09 pm
It is important to note that the job queue will create as many jobs as you have dwarves with the refuse-hauling labor enabled, meaning that if you have 40 dwarves with that labor you could have 40 queued jobs before you disable it. As far as I know, those 40 jobs will continue to be assigned.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 23, 2010, 07:17:28 pm
So you confirm that no bones outside, if not on a stockpile, not with (D)ump and without 'dwarves collect outside refuse' enabled should be grabbed?I'm pretty sure that the outside refuse orders only prevent jobs from garbage dump zones and refuse stockpiles. In other words, it only prevents the collection of "refuse" from outside, not "usable materials," even if those two things happen to be one and the same such as in the case of this bone. To prevent the outside bone from being a valid target for non-dumping, non-store in stockpile tasks, you've got to forbid it or mark it for dumping.
And The Architect seems to be mistaking "the game can quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job" with "the game will quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job." In this case, a hauler isn't even involved (it's a bonecrafting labor), and even if it was, it is impossible to quene more than 1 job per item.
Post by: Odd!x on February 23, 2010, 07:51:30 pm
Post by: Garth on February 23, 2010, 09:57:31 pm
I'm using the mayday tileset if it makes a different.
Post by: Keuran on February 23, 2010, 10:11:19 pm
Post by: sproingie on February 23, 2010, 11:21:07 pm
Post by: garfield751 on February 24, 2010, 12:56:07 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 24, 2010, 02:37:04 am
So you confirm that no bones outside, if not on a stockpile, not with (D)ump and without 'dwarves collect outside refuse' enabled should be grabbed?I'm pretty sure that the outside refuse orders only prevent jobs from garbage dump zones and refuse stockpiles. In other words, it only prevents the collection of "refuse" from outside, not "usable materials," even if those two things happen to be one and the same such as in the case of this bone. To prevent the outside bone from being a valid target for non-dumping, non-store in stockpile tasks, you've got to forbid it or mark it for dumping.
And The Architect seems to be mistaking "the game can quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job" with "the game will quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job." In this case, a hauler isn't even involved (it's a bonecrafting labor), and even if it was, it is impossible to quene more than 1 job per item.
ok, so back to the problem, any kill on the map, generating bones, can potentially lead to one of your bone crafter go fetch the material, unless Forbidden! This is very dangerous... I'm playing on a big map with lot of critters (in pack of 70+) so it's The Wild out there!
Post by: happydog23 on February 24, 2010, 02:49:30 am
So you confirm that no bones outside, if not on a stockpile, not with (D)ump and without 'dwarves collect outside refuse' enabled should be grabbed?I'm pretty sure that the outside refuse orders only prevent jobs from garbage dump zones and refuse stockpiles. In other words, it only prevents the collection of "refuse" from outside, not "usable materials," even if those two things happen to be one and the same such as in the case of this bone. To prevent the outside bone from being a valid target for non-dumping, non-store in stockpile tasks, you've got to forbid it or mark it for dumping.
And The Architect seems to be mistaking "the game can quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job" with "the game will quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job." In this case, a hauler isn't even involved (it's a bonecrafting labor), and even if it was, it is impossible to quene more than 1 job per item.
ok, so back to the problem, any kill on the map, generating bones, can potentially lead to one of your bone crafter go fetch the material, unless Forbidden! This is very dangerous... I'm playing on a big map with lot of critters (in pack of 70+) so it's The Wild out there!
That's why drawbridges and other methods of preventing your dwarves from having full access to outside are not uncommon.
Post by: NecroRebel on February 24, 2010, 02:59:24 am
It's also why forbiddance orders exist; turn on forbid other non-hunted dead (o-F-o) and other death items (o-F-t) and you won't have to deal with it yourself. It does mean that you have to reclaim enemy corpses after you kill them, but you have to do that anyway to get their gear by default, so it's not like it matters.So you confirm that no bones outside, if not on a stockpile, not with (D)ump and without 'dwarves collect outside refuse' enabled should be grabbed?I'm pretty sure that the outside refuse orders only prevent jobs from garbage dump zones and refuse stockpiles. In other words, it only prevents the collection of "refuse" from outside, not "usable materials," even if those two things happen to be one and the same such as in the case of this bone. To prevent the outside bone from being a valid target for non-dumping, non-store in stockpile tasks, you've got to forbid it or mark it for dumping.
And The Architect seems to be mistaking "the game can quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job" with "the game will quene as many jobs as there are haulers for that job." In this case, a hauler isn't even involved (it's a bonecrafting labor), and even if it was, it is impossible to quene more than 1 job per item.
ok, so back to the problem, any kill on the map, generating bones, can potentially lead to one of your bone crafter go fetch the material, unless Forbidden! This is very dangerous... I'm playing on a big map with lot of critters (in pack of 70+) so it's The Wild out there!
That's why drawbridges and other methods of preventing your dwarves from having full access to outside are not uncommon.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 24, 2010, 09:09:38 am
Question: why the embark option is grayed out sometime (and yes I know it is grayed out if you have an abandoned fortress in the area, but it appears for some areas of a brand new generated world).
Post by: xczxc on February 24, 2010, 01:04:29 pm
Post by: Particleman on February 24, 2010, 01:12:40 pm
I have always heard stories about drowning chambers with nobles or children, and how do you get the nobles or children inside?
Stick a lever inside the chamber. Pulling levers is one of the few things nobles and children will do. Once it's built assign it to the dwarf you want to drown, then queue up a 'Pull lever' job. For extra fun you can have it trigger the pumps (or floodgates or whatever) that will end up drowning them. Otherwise it's just bait to get them into the chamber.
Post by: xczxc on February 24, 2010, 01:14:56 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 24, 2010, 02:17:37 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Footkerchief on February 24, 2010, 02:23:38 pm
So what is this? A boss with minions, is it a hidden feature of sort or something else?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's a screenshot of a cave. Probably a giant hanging out with a couple trolls or something.
Post by: nil on February 24, 2010, 02:35:59 pm
Question: why the embark option is grayed out sometime (and yes I know it is grayed out if you have an abandoned fortress in the area, but it appears for some areas of a brand new generated world).You can't embark in the middle of a mountain range, presumably because the wagons can't get there or something like that.
Post by: absynthe7 on February 24, 2010, 03:30:43 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on February 24, 2010, 03:44:59 pm
Post by: garfield751 on February 24, 2010, 05:15:47 pm
if i put a magma safe hatch cover over down stairs and then cast obsidion over it will the hatch cover deconstruct when i mine it out?
That^
Post by: Bauglir on February 24, 2010, 07:04:41 pm
Post by: Urist McOverlord on February 24, 2010, 09:22:54 pm
Now build a labyrinth. But watch for elven Theseus.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 25, 2010, 07:28:28 am
1. How can I make bridges which are only attached by the 2 extremities? Let's say I start from a cliff and want to pave my way into the air, what command should I use?
2. I'm sorry to ask that here, and I used the search button, but I can't for the life of me find again the thread dealing with 'exchange your world gens parameters' where ppl posted cool thing, like hellish world, etc. (hell, cool, haha I'm so funny)
3. I found a good spot in my world, but I would like to know where in the world I'm, I did not make a screenshot before embarking, how can I get this kind of info now?
Post by: Flaede on February 25, 2010, 12:40:00 pm
2. I'm sorry to ask that here, and I used the search button, but I can't for the life of me find again the thread dealing with 'exchange your world gens parameters' where ppl posted cool thing, like hellish world, etc. (hell, cool, haha I'm so funny)
In the DATA folder, under INIT, there is a worldgen.txt file. It holds saved worldgen perameters. If these include specfic seed #s, then they will gen the same world every time... unless you change the raw files, in which case, adding that extra whisker to you cats will cause oceans to drain, and mountains to rise.
you can export the specific worldgen info for any world you create, right after genning it, or somewhere in legends mode (I always export data after genning). This data includes a world map, and a .txt file containing all the data you need to copy/paste into the worldgen file to add that world. That's how people get/use the seeds for cool worlds.
Post by: Footkerchief on February 25, 2010, 02:28:02 pm
2. I'm sorry to ask that here, and I used the search button, but I can't for the life of me find again the thread dealing with 'exchange your world gens parameters' where ppl posted cool thing, like hellish world, etc. (hell, cool, haha I'm so funny)
You're probably thinking of the "Worldgen cookbook" (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=20638.0) thread.
Post by: Flaede on February 25, 2010, 02:33:31 pm
2. I'm sorry to ask that here, and I used the search button, but I can't for the life of me find again the thread dealing with 'exchange your world gens parameters' where ppl posted cool thing, like hellish world, etc. (hell, cool, haha I'm so funny)
You're probably thinking of the "Worldgen cookbook" (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=20638.0) thread.
well if vorpal wasn't looking for it, i sure was! thank you Footkerchief!
Post by: assimilateur on February 25, 2010, 02:35:44 pm
3. I found a good spot in my world, but I would like to know where in the world I'm, I did not make a screenshot before embarking, how can I get this kind of info now?
I think all you can do is make a backup of your save game and then abandon the fort. The next step will then be going to fortress mode again and reclaiming the fort.
Post by: Pineapple Skitter on February 25, 2010, 05:06:38 pm
-Cats/dogs breed via spores
-They will NOT breed (but can give birth) while caged.
Question:
-Will they breed if in restraints?
Post by: Odd!x on February 25, 2010, 06:34:42 pm
Post by: Flaede on February 26, 2010, 01:34:57 am
It gets even better.
[EDIT] except I cannot find the recent fortress posted that had a beautiful example of wild animal breeding pens. I thought it was called Matchstrikes, but the search function sez no results.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 26, 2010, 02:05:41 am
What about (1) how can I make passage ways into the air, literally?
Post by: Odd!x on February 26, 2010, 02:07:14 am
Post by: El-Ravager on February 26, 2010, 05:39:13 am
Post by: Odd!x on February 26, 2010, 07:06:33 am
...I'll start dumping water into my farm.
Post by: Sutremaine on February 26, 2010, 06:34:09 pm
What about (1) how can I make passage ways into the air, literally?Stairs can be built straight up into air, but only one level at a time, and will provide support for any other constructions. I think that's what you meant, anyway...
Post by: xczxc on February 26, 2010, 07:03:14 pm
Post by: Sutremaine on February 26, 2010, 07:09:04 pm
Post by: Particleman on February 26, 2010, 07:09:12 pm
Hi again,Um... you should be able to just build bridges out into open air, as long as you have a solid foundation for the side the bridge raises towards (which side this is can be changed when you designate it). You can also use floors, but they can't be raised, obviously. I'm not sure what exactly you're asking.
1. How can I make bridges which are only attached by the 2 extremities? Let's say I start from a cliff and want to pave my way into the air, what command should I use?
Post by: geoduck on February 26, 2010, 09:34:45 pm
Not without physically forcing them to.
Although in my experience, the jewelers tend to grab furniture that's closer to their workshop; I don't like to have mechanisms bejeweled, so I segregate them on the far side of the furniture storage from the jeweler's place, and they never get used.
Post by: 100killer9 on February 26, 2010, 11:39:59 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on February 26, 2010, 11:45:01 pm
Post by: Odd!x on February 27, 2010, 12:04:40 am
Post by: tomas1297 on February 27, 2010, 02:16:32 am
Lvl 1:
+++ +=floor
+0+ 0=millstone
+++
Lvl 2:
--- +=floor
+0- 0=vertical axle(receiving power)
---
Lvl3:
+++++ +=floor
+www+ w=windmill (producing power)
+www+
+www+
+++++
What could be wrong? :/
Post by: Particleman on February 27, 2010, 02:56:38 am
Post by: tomas1297 on February 27, 2010, 03:44:45 am
And there's no floor between the axle and the millstone, right?Damn,I knew I forgot something obvious :/
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 27, 2010, 06:29:44 am
I created an underground pond that I filled a bit with buckets of water from the outside. But the water disappears progressively! How can it be, I believed that underground, ponds don't evaporate? Or I must reach a certain level of water to do so, like 4/7 or more?
Post by: assimilateur on February 27, 2010, 07:32:09 am
strange problem...
I created an underground pond that I filled a bit with buckets of water from the outside. But the water disappears progressively! How can it be, I believed that underground, ponds don't evaporate? Or I must reach a certain level of water to do so, like 4/7 or more?
You hit the nail on the head: water evaporates until it reaches a certain level. I think a safe level is 3/7, i.e. 1-2/7 will evaporate.
Post by: LegitMacgyver on February 27, 2010, 09:49:58 am
1. When I receive migrants, does that number of of new migrants get subtracted from the Mountain Home from wince they came? The mountain home only has 50 dwarves...
2. The goblin tower has like 13 goblins and 2 captured dwarves, does this low pop ultimately affect the size and frequency of attacks I will receive. Like if 5 goblins attack will that mean there are 5 less goblins at the goblin tower?
Post by: The Architect on February 27, 2010, 09:55:02 am
strange problem...
I created an underground pond that I filled a bit with buckets of water from the outside. But the water disappears progressively! How can it be, I believed that underground, ponds don't evaporate? Or I must reach a certain level of water to do so, like 4/7 or more?
You hit the nail on the head: water evaporates until it reaches a certain level. I think a safe level is 3/7, i.e. 1-2/7 will evaporate.
Also, if you are using as a water source then it will be depleted over time. Be sure your dwarves aren't drinking your pool away unless that is what you want!
Post by: assimilateur on February 27, 2010, 10:11:58 am
I love playing pocket worlds and I had some questions about how my settlement affects world populations.
1. When I receive migrants, does that number of of new migrants get subtracted from the Mountain Home from wince they came? The mountain home only has 50 dwarves...
2. The goblin tower has like 13 goblins and 2 captured dwarves, does this low pop ultimately affect the size and frequency of attacks I will receive. Like if 5 goblins attack will that mean there are 5 less goblins at the goblin tower?
I've read that migrant and invader populations get "spawned" out of thin air, i.e. they don't reduce "real" world populations.
That stands to reason, really, because otherwise getting high-population fortresses would be difficult. Also, I've sort of verified this in the case of invader pops. If the "world_sites_and_pops.txt" files you can export are to be believed, then there has been not even the slightest reduction of goblin (as well as human, elf, kobold, cyclops, minotaur and giant [I made all of them into hostile civilizations]) after several years of sieges in my last fort.
Post by: Loyal on February 27, 2010, 11:19:37 am
The ideal solution is to either feed your cistern/pool/whatever from an infinite water source, or just keep your cistern/pool/whatever small enough that you can reliably feed it without worrying about evaporation. I also like to dig a single tile channel in the pool, directly above where my well will go, to ensure that it's always being fed by a 7/7 tile if at all.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 27, 2010, 12:26:17 pm
2/7 water will not evaporate, but 1/7 will. Same goes for magma. The thing is, if there's a single tile of 1/7 water in a large pool of 2/7 water, it will eventually (albeit very slowly) all disappear.
The ideal solution is to either feed your cistern/pool/whatever from an infinite water source, or just keep your cistern/pool/whatever small enough that you can reliably feed it without worrying about evaporation. I also like to dig a single tile channel in the pool, directly above where my well will go, to ensure that it's always being fed by a 7/7 tile if at all.
Thank you both for the reply. I also saw something about ponds filling, can you confirm: a channel can only be used at a single time by a dwarf, and by single time, I means even if he is en route toward the source, the channel can't be used to drop a bucket through it by another dwarf.
About siege and caravan:
Is a siege preventing any caravan arrival, even if the said siege is made of a few humans sitting idly in a corner of a map?
Post by: Odd!x on February 27, 2010, 05:12:26 pm
Post by: quinnr on February 27, 2010, 05:16:26 pm
Post by: Comrade Ankh on February 27, 2010, 05:29:19 pm
Post by: Sutremaine on February 27, 2010, 05:50:07 pm
Also, if you are using as a water source then it will be depleted over time. Be sure your dwarves aren't drinking your pool away unless that is what you want!Only if there's a well over it. Dwarves drinking directly from a water source won't deplete it.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 27, 2010, 06:00:01 pm
Can things float on water?No, buoyancy doesn't seem to be implemented at the moment.
Post by: quinnr on February 27, 2010, 06:17:42 pm
Post by: The Architect on February 27, 2010, 08:09:45 pm
Also, if you are using as a water source then it will be depleted over time. Be sure your dwarves aren't drinking your pool away unless that is what you want!Only if there's a well over it. Dwarves drinking directly from a water source won't deplete it.
They do deplete it if they are taking buckets to other dwarves. I don't know about direct drinking.
Post by: ungulateman on February 27, 2010, 11:11:53 pm
Aw, my boat will have to be connected by a floor tile.
Nope, just turn cave-ins off in the init.txt.
Post by: quinnr on February 28, 2010, 12:26:35 am
My computer is now broken with the save file...nooooooo!
Post by: DarkDragon on February 28, 2010, 01:21:27 am
Raising drawbridges. They fling things that are on them, i got that much.
Do they fling liquids such as magma/water as well? Or do they just drop?
Post by: DDR on February 28, 2010, 02:00:51 am
Post by: DarkDragon on February 28, 2010, 02:14:10 am
I believe liquids just drop, sadly. :(
Thought as much. Was hoping for a magma throwing device, but if it was possible I figure I would have heard about it by now.
Post by: The Architect on February 28, 2010, 02:28:56 am
Post by: lordnincompoop on February 28, 2010, 04:43:59 am
Post by: quinnr on February 28, 2010, 04:44:35 am
They are constructions, which means no magma power.
Post by: The Architect on February 28, 2010, 04:46:22 am
Post by: Odd!x on February 28, 2010, 06:07:32 am
Post by: Sutremaine on February 28, 2010, 12:26:35 pm
Only if there's a well over it. Dwarves drinking directly from a water source won't deplete it.
They do deplete it if they are taking buckets to other dwarves.
Oh yes, my bad, it's not the well that's the problem but the bucket.
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I don't know about direct drinking.
That doesn't deplete a water source. I know this from experience.
Post by: Rolan7 on February 28, 2010, 12:42:34 pm
Carved fortifications are also invulnerable to all forces great and small. Unless of course you have a pick, probably a copper one.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 28, 2010, 12:58:52 pm
I don't quite understand, is it a known problem? Sometime I have items left on the floor of my fortress (say an unforbidden bucket) which is never sent back to the furniture stockpile, even with 8 haulers idle in the dining room. This happen for various things left on the floor, and baring dumping them nobody will pickup the stuff to put it in the proper stockpile? Have you seen that? And yes, I'm pretty sure everything is ok: not forbiden, stockpile has room, patch is ok, idle haulers...
(2) I tried to sort my weapons and armors by category, but they are already in bins, and nobody will move them to others stockpiles... Is it normal?
Post by: Particleman on February 28, 2010, 01:05:27 pm
Post by: The Architect on February 28, 2010, 01:08:20 pm
I don't know what is up with your other problem, but it sounds fishy. I can only tell you that it is undoubtedly some detail that you have gotten wrong, like the work orders {o}, hauling jobs, paths, stockpiles, or something else. The game is so complex that most players have to constantly deal with little frustrations like that when we get details a little wrong. You can find the problem if you work through the possibilities carefully.
Post by: vorpal+5 on February 28, 2010, 02:15:48 pm
I'll whip myself a bit now.
Post by: sjaakwortel on February 28, 2010, 02:46:37 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 28, 2010, 03:07:18 pm
The impertinent Vegetation has defaced a "thing", wat does that mean ? cause i have no clue
Impertinent vegetation? If you're talking about what I think you are, then that's a damn strange way of saying "your workers".
If I understood you correctly, you're dealing with so-called art-defacement. When you dig out (or possibly pave over) a tile that's been masterfully engraved, it's gonna say "your workers have defaced a {dwarf name}". That's like saying something along the lines of "a Picasso (painting)", only it's gonna be "a Cog Lorbamfastam (engraving)" in the case of DF.
Post by: Sphalerite on February 28, 2010, 03:12:22 pm
The impertinent Vegetation has defaced a "thing", wat does that mean ? cause i have no clueA plant has grown on a muddied engraved floor tile, destroying a masterwork engraving.
Post by: sjaakwortel on February 28, 2010, 03:22:48 pm
Post by: Loyal on February 28, 2010, 03:32:22 pm
Post by: assimilateur on February 28, 2010, 03:46:04 pm
A plant has grown on a muddied engraved floor tile, destroying a masterwork engraving.
Oh, so that's what was meant by impertinent vegetation. I thought the previous poster mistyped something there, as I've never had plants grow on (masterfully) engraved floors.
Post by: lordnincompoop on February 28, 2010, 04:49:16 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on February 28, 2010, 05:28:52 pm
A plant has grown on a muddied engraved floor tile, destroying a masterwork engraving.
Oh, so that's what was meant by impertinent vegetation. I thought the previous poster mistyped something there, as I've never had plants grow on (masterfully) engraved floors.
"Impertinent vegetarians"!
What? I bet a lot of players don't bother with meat, with agriculture being so productive and automated (:
Post by: ed boy on February 28, 2010, 05:43:26 pm
Also, do invaders that get injured in your fort heal?
Also, is there a way for invaders in your fort to gain skills/attributes?
Post by: Vermadus on February 28, 2010, 05:44:11 pm
Can axles/gear assemblies be submerged in water/magma? I guess for magma you would need magmaproof gear assemblies.
Post by: gopher dude on February 28, 2010, 07:06:22 pm
When can we expect to see the new version of dwarf fortress coming out?
Post by: Sphalerite on February 28, 2010, 07:59:00 pm
I know magma wont leave the map when its on the border of the map, but what about water? I mean water originated from a aquifer.Water will flow off the border of the map, both by on the surface and through fortifications carved in the map edge underground. But be careful, if your map has an aquifer fortifications carved into the map edge underground can act as aquifers and source water forever.
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Can axles/gear assemblies be submerged in water/magma? I guess for magma you would need magmaproof gear assemblies.Yes. Gears and axles work underwater and in magma, although axles will burn and non magma safe gears will melt in magma.
Post by: Vermadus on March 01, 2010, 03:38:05 am
Yes. Gears and axles work underwater and in magma, although axles will burn and non magma safe gears will melt in magma.
Awwww, Since water flows out of the map, i will have to use magma. But last time i checked i coudn't make magmaproof axles. Oh boy.
Post by: Rolan7 on March 01, 2010, 10:57:43 am
Post by: Sphalerite on March 01, 2010, 11:02:29 am
Wait, does lava really not flow off the edge of the map like water?
Take a look at Snaketributes:
http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-6594-snaketributes
The map edge magma moat works because magma doesn't flow off the map edge.
Post by: Rolan7 on March 01, 2010, 11:21:15 am
Wait, does lava really not flow off the edge of the map like water?
Take a look at Snaketributes:
http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-6594-snaketributes
The map edge magma moat works because magma doesn't flow off the map edge.
Exactly what I needed to see. Thanks very much (:
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 01, 2010, 12:49:45 pm
Any trick to have the soldiers spar most of the time and not go visit friends in my main meeting hall? There is a great distance between the two and this is annoying. Should I lock them in a barrack with food and booze?
Post by: Particleman on March 01, 2010, 01:49:37 pm
Sparring tricks?You can either move the barracks closer to the meeting hall (or vice versa), or you can just remove the meeting hall altogether.They aren't neccesary.
Any trick to have the soldiers spar most of the time and not go visit friends in my main meeting hall? There is a great distance between the two and this is annoying. Should I lock them in a barrack with food and booze?
Post by: assimilateur on March 01, 2010, 05:23:31 pm
you can just remove the meeting hall altogether.
This would make them take breaks or otherwise idle where they worked, right? Which would in the case of fighters be in the barracks. Brilliant.
Post by: Particleman on March 01, 2010, 05:34:54 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 01, 2010, 05:40:46 pm
Actually if there's no designated meeting area, they'll tend to hang out in thier own bedrooms. At least from what I've observed.And if there is no meeting area the world becomes their hangout!
Post by: Diablous on March 01, 2010, 06:55:45 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 02, 2010, 02:07:01 am
I have yet to try that... if I dump into a pit hostile creatures, I guess there is no easy mean to retrieve them safely? I would have for example to create an area with cage trap so they get imprisoned again, if I wanted to retrieve them?
Post by: Retro on March 02, 2010, 02:34:26 am
Creatures in pit
I have yet to try that... if I dump into a pit hostile creatures, I guess there is no easy mean to retrieve them safely? I would have for example to create an area with cage trap so they get imprisoned again, if I wanted to retrieve them?
Well, you'd have to do that for a guaranteed recapture with any sort of timeliness. If you have a lot of angry critters, you can use the same recapture room for them all: A drawbridge that lowers over a channel and raises away from where the hostile creature is free so they don't destroy it when it's up and so it won't accidentally crush them when it lowers since the creature won't be able to stand on the open space the drawbridge closes on. Behind the drawbridge, put a 1-tile hallway with at least one cage trap (more are just for careful's sake) and put a chained animal 2 tiles behind it so that the hostile creature will immediately path towards the animal and hit the cage trap. Due to the chain's placement, the animal will never be able to interrupt that first cage trap and will thus never get hurt nor accidentally get hurt and fall on the cage trap, causing it to be trapped while the latter goes free.
I was actually just messing around with a setup like this the other night... I put the chain too close to the cage trap so that the puppy was able to stand on it, and when the fire imp attacked it, the puppy fell down and caged itself. The imp was then free to run around my fort lighting things on fire. The fort in question was outdoors and largely consisted of a single formerly-grassy z-level.
Post by: EricStratton on March 02, 2010, 10:22:44 am
Yesterday my dwarves stopped hauling food and drink*. Food is withering on my farms. My fishery, still, and kitchen are all overflowing with food. I have several food piles which have space left. I made new food piles into which my dwarves will put one barrel (in the upper left corner) and that's it.
My furnished goods pile has a bunch of empty barrels.
Via the stock menu I verified my barrels aren't forbidden.
I have a 30 idle dwarves most of which have all the hauling skills.
I don't understand what I did to cause this. It doesn't appear to be a huge deal as my dwarves are still eating and drinking but food items seem to be rotting a lot more often now and it's annoying.
Anyone have any suggestions?
* I've noticed my dwarves haven't put some empty cages back into the Animal pile where they normally keep empty cages. I'm not sure if that's related or not.
ETA: I don't know if it matters but I'm using the Mac version of DF 0.28.181.40d.
Post by: The Architect on March 02, 2010, 12:04:41 pm
Your dwarves have too many hauling labors. You should have a few dwarves that haul nothing but food.
You have told dwarves to ignore food: {o}, {f}.
There is no path between the food to be stored, the dwarves, and the stockpiles (very unlikely given your description).
You have "Dwarves Stay Inside" and there is no underground path between the food, dwarves, and stockpiles. Also unlikely.
My bet is on one of the first two.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 02, 2010, 02:21:02 pm
About capturing horses, how I can do that? I put a cage nearby them and hope they will walk into it?
Post by: assimilateur on March 02, 2010, 02:40:29 pm
I put a cage nearby them and hope they will walk into it?
That's more or less correct. You either sort of overload the vicinity of your wild animals with cage traps (that part is important, a cage itself will not do; you probably know that already, but you only mentioned cages, so I wanna make sure), or you build walls or dig channels to sort of funnel them into your traps. You can also use soldiers to chase them in the direction of your traps, just make sure you order them to "ignore dangerous wild animals", or they'll be liable to kill them before they're caged.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 02, 2010, 03:12:58 pm
Post by: Arathel on March 03, 2010, 12:00:41 am
Post by: Odd!x on March 03, 2010, 12:44:24 am
or you're on an island.
Post by: Arathel on March 03, 2010, 01:10:06 am
perhaps in some stroke of oddity, all sentient and friendly races were wiped out in an apocalypse.Well, I'm not on an island. And they're not wiped out as it I've had encounters with elves and goblins. (Plus if I'm correct, listing a king, mayor, etc. in civs means they're active?)
or you're on an island.
Is it just that they're taking a while to get here? I saved, copied the folder and went to check the civ's location and they're all on the other side of the world. Will they get here eventually?
Note, the top circle is my location and the bottom 3 are dwarven civs.
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Post by: nil on March 03, 2010, 01:25:02 am
I think distance matters for caravans, but I've never seen confirmation.
Post by: Arathel on March 03, 2010, 01:28:40 am
I have the ranting rodent's graphics pack, Dig Deeper and I added learning tags to my megabeasts to make them last longer, but that's it. Any of those cause problems?
Post by: DDR on March 03, 2010, 02:06:44 am
Post by: EricStratton on March 03, 2010, 11:10:04 am
Possibilities:Doh, that was exactly it. No idea how I managed to do that. Didn't even know you *could* do that (which I probably made obvious by asking the question). Thanks so much!
You have told dwarves to ignore food: {o}, {f}.
Post by: Caesar on March 03, 2010, 11:21:30 am
I have embarked on a (multi-embark-screen) island, and not had any troubles getting migrants or dwarven caravans. However, no other civs came. The fortress died due to Peaceful. ;)
If you embark on an 'unreachable' area, you will not get outside activity, except for that of your own civilization. For this reason the other civilizations didn't visit you.
Post by: The Architect on March 03, 2010, 12:51:59 pm
Possibilities:Doh, that was exactly it. No idea how I managed to do that. Didn't even know you *could* do that (which I probably made obvious by asking the question). Thanks so much!
You have told dwarves to ignore food: {o}, {f}.
Sure, very glad to help.
Post by: xczxc on March 03, 2010, 05:44:45 pm
Thanks
Post by: nil on March 03, 2010, 05:51:08 pm
Post by: xczxc on March 03, 2010, 05:54:51 pm
Post by: DFPongo on March 03, 2010, 06:25:07 pm
Any ideas?
And is there some problem with magna smelters making pig iron. Lots of iron smelted, and lots of flux(whole floor covered with it) but no pig iron option.
Post by: Diablous on March 03, 2010, 06:28:15 pm
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And is there some problem with magna smelters making pig iron. Lots of iron smelted, and lots of flux(whole floor covered with it) but no pig iron option.
You need coke or charcoal.
Post by: DFPongo on March 03, 2010, 06:58:12 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 04, 2010, 02:05:53 am
I can't close in to melee, because the upper level is just air and the lower level is full of water, right? (UR channel is made of 2 z levels, one is water one is above water)
I can't kill them with crossbows, as they are skeletals?
Post by: NecroRebel on March 04, 2010, 02:24:14 am
I have a problem with underground river critters... How can I dispose of them? They are of the skeletal sort.You can kill skeletons with crossbows, it's just not very easy. Basically, do your best to arrange it so that your marksdwarves use only low-value bolts, like bone, since you'll probably not be recovering them for a while or ever, and just unload many, many bolts at the skeles. Most shots will just glance off with little to no effect, but some will actually hit and break bones and eventually kill the undead freaks.
I can't close in to melee, because the upper level is just air and the lower level is full of water, right? (UR channel is made of 2 z levels, one is water one is above water)
I can't kill them with crossbows, as they are skeletals?
Or, as an alternative, you can dig out a little platform on the riverside next to the open level. Aquatic creatures can climb out of the water to the level above if there's a place for them to, so if you clear such a space the undead will come to where you can melee them. This is much more dangerous, however, since your melee dwarves might stupidly dodge into the river or jump in to attack; either way, they are likely to drown.
My woodcrafter stops working when ever I tell him to make wooden cages. If I delete the cages and add other things he will make them. When ever a cage is the next thing, he stops.You mean a carpenter, not a woodcrafter, right? Wood cages are made by a carpenter at a carpenter's workshop, not by woodcrafters at a craftsdwarf's shop. I don't know of anything that would make a carpenter not make cages, but if you're trying to designate them through the manager and you've only got a woodcrafter, you simply don't have the right labor.
Any ideas?
Otherwise, no idea ???
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And is there some problem with magna smelters making pig iron. Lots of iron smelted, and lots of flux(whole floor covered with it) but no pig iron option.As Diablous said, you need charcoal or coke for pig iron, and also steel. This means that for making steel bars, magma smelters don't actually have any benefit over normal smelters; you need 2 fuel, 2 flux, and 2 iron for every 2 steel whether you're running the reactions in a magma smelter or a non-magma smelter.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 04, 2010, 04:13:22 am
edit, another question: is it possible to force a dwarf jumping one z level, without special devices like bridge and such?
Post by: Particleman on March 04, 2010, 07:27:24 am
thank you very much Necrorebel. The 'aquatic creatures' can goes out of water is rather logical now I think of it, so I guess I'll prepare a sort of trap for the nuisances :)Not as far as I know. You could dig some ramps into the edge of the river though. But be prepared to lose the dwarf doing the digging, unless all the fish are already occupied with other dwarves.
edit, another question: is it possible to force a dwarf jumping one z level, without special devices like bridge and such?
Post by: The Architect on March 04, 2010, 08:14:14 am
Traps are made by dwarves with the Trapping skill, no matter what workshop they are made in. You are probably giving an order for Animal Traps, not Cages.My woodcrafter stops working when ever I tell him to make wooden cages. If I delete the cages and add other things he will make them. When ever a cage is the next thing, he stops.You mean a carpenter, not a woodcrafter, right? Wood cages are made by a carpenter at a carpenter's workshop, not by woodcrafters at a craftsdwarf's shop. I don't know of anything that would make a carpenter not make cages, but if you're trying to designate them through the manager and you've only got a woodcrafter, you simply don't have the right labor.
Any ideas?
Otherwise, no idea ???
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 04, 2010, 12:11:12 pm
I have idle haulers and they don't want to transfer blocks from a stockpile to another. The target stockpile is supposed to take all kind of stone blocks from the first, and they don't do anything. What can possibly prevent them from doing so?
item hauling job enabled, can go outdoor, path is ok, I checked the settings of the receiving stockpile. ???
Post by: DFPongo on March 04, 2010, 12:11:54 pm
I am trying to make cages or animal traps with a carpenter at a woodworking shop. I think in dwarf manager I must have turned off either trapping on my carpenter or something like that. I will look tonight.
Post by: The Architect on March 04, 2010, 12:12:11 pm
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 04, 2010, 01:04:41 pm
1. Just encountered an issue... I want to dump my animals into a pit... But when I do that in batch (i.e not all selected at the same time), how can I know which ones are already in the pit and which ones are still available?
2. bonus question, should flood gate not disappear from sight when opened? I have one doing that, when I pull the lever, but two others still shown on map, so I'm very unsure on their state... How can I know btw which state they have, closed or open?
Post by: DDR on March 04, 2010, 04:44:14 pm
Post by: Steev on March 04, 2010, 07:43:37 pm
Will the water eventually stop or will I have to dig a large enough area to fit all the water before I can regain that section of my fortress?
And whats the best way to find fun stuff without breaking into the clown car?
Post by: Malicus on March 04, 2010, 08:04:50 pm
An underground pool has a finite amount of water and doesn't refill, so there IS an end to the water from it, which means you could theoretically manage to pump it all out. An underground river does not run out of water, though. Both of them have unfriendly water-dwelling creatures that you may have to deal with.
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Post by: The Architect on March 04, 2010, 08:07:38 pm
As for fun stuff... well, you shouldn't have to worry at all about breaking into it as long as you are NOT digging up.?
The rest of what you said was good sound advice, but I don't see what you are talking about here. Fun stuff occurs at the bottom levels, so digging downward is what you would want to avoid. The bottom 5 or so levels, if you want to be fairly safe.
Post by: Malicus on March 04, 2010, 08:09:27 pm
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Post by: nickbii on March 05, 2010, 01:48:44 am
Under the bridge there's a dry moat. Just above the bridge there's a hill, but I destroyed all the ramps on it so it should not be possible for thieves to come in from there. Those 9 down stairs are the only entrance to the underground part of the fortress. The animals around it are caged, but I thought they'd alert me to intruders.
What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it?
Nick
Post by: Flaede on March 05, 2010, 02:03:27 am
Post by: Malicus on March 05, 2010, 02:05:32 am
Post by: nickbii on March 05, 2010, 02:22:12 am
I've been buying every cage merchants bring because usually when I do that the Elves decide to bring Grizzly Bears and other cool animals on their caravan. Hasn't worked so far in this game, tho. So I had a bunch of extras, and I vaguely remembered somebody on these boards recommending caged animals as sentries...
Nick
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 05, 2010, 02:23:32 am
1. How can I place where I want an artifact, as it can't be dumped? Play (extensively) with stockpiles settings?
2. Putting it on a ground is enough to give passing dwarves happy thoughts?
3. How can I use efficiently pits, if I can't know which creatures are already there and which ones are still outside, when using the Send to Pit submenu?
Post by: DDR on March 05, 2010, 04:20:46 am
Post by: assimilateur on March 05, 2010, 05:33:28 am
Stockpile settings are the only way I know of determining where an artifact gets placed. Make a single-tile stockpile that only accepts artifacts of the desired kind, and no bins, and it should work. I don't think they will admire things in a stockpile, though, as I've never seen a dwarf admire finished goods or weapons, only furniture.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 05, 2010, 05:55:51 am
About artifact, thanks for the answer. It is indeed written in the Wiki that dwarves don't admire stockpiled artifacts, so as this is a craft-work, it can't be admired at all I guess. Still it will serve as an ornamentation for my crypt, plus raise the value of my fortress.
Now the big silly question? Why would I like to raise continually the value of my fortress? To get more migrants, to get more sieges, to be King instead of the king? Just for the Fun of it? I know this is silly... but everybody try to maximize the fortress value and I don't see the big thing here.
Post by: assimilateur on March 05, 2010, 06:22:52 am
About artifact, thanks for the answer. It is indeed written in the Wiki that dwarves don't admire stockpiled artifacts, so as this is a craft-work, it can't be admired at all I guess. Still it will serve as an ornamentation for my crypt, plus raise the value of my fortress.
I just remembered one thing: you can forbid the artifact after it's been delivered and then remove the stockpile. I don't think it will get admired that way (from what I've seen only things that get properly placed as buildings/furniture get admired, and finished goods don't even if they're outside of a stockpile), but it might be worth a shot.
Now the big silly question? Why would I like to raise continually the value of my fortress? To get more migrants, to get more sieges, to be King instead of the king? Just for the Fun of it? I know this is silly... but everybody try to maximize the fortress value and I don't see the big thing here.
Raising your fortress value is one of the ways of getting a king. There's a more thorough explanation on the wiki, as I don't remember the exact factors and values when for getting a king the non-spoilery way. Once your pop limit has been reached, more wealth won't get you more immigrants. A high wealth is also needed if you want to attract dragons and other foul beasts; again, I don't know what the numbers here are. All I know is that I didn't see any megabeasts the last time my wealth had been in the 7 digits (or was that low 8 digits?), which suggests that either my wealth was still insufficient, or that I wasn't lucky and/or patient enough, as I'm positive that I had dragons in my world.
In short, I don't think there's a point in endlessly stockpiling wealth. Once it's high enough to meet your objectives (population, getting a king, being attacked by dragons, giving everyone fancy furniture, etc.), it might be best to limit your production so that you don't make much more than you export. Having tens of thousands of otherwise useless trade goods isn't exactly conducive to a good framerate.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 05, 2010, 03:24:54 pm
A question about smelting items, I smelted 2 copper weapons and got nothing in return. Is there a chance to have nothing, depending of the skill of the blacksmith and perhaps the weight of the item (tried to smelt kobolds copper daggers so I could make sparring warhammer with them...)
Post by: Diablous on March 05, 2010, 03:42:17 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 05, 2010, 06:02:20 pm
When you smelt something, you get 1/3 of the amount of metal used to forge it. Smelt one more for your hammer.
Not true. You get 1/10 the material size of the item back in fractional bars. If you smelt two copper giant axes, for example, you'll get a bar back, because they have material size 5, if I remember correctly.
Post by: assimilateur on March 05, 2010, 06:35:33 pm
Post by: Garrie on March 05, 2010, 10:33:03 pm
Floodgates, doors, floorhatches: Invisible when open. If you can see it, it's closed. :)Or hasn't been built.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 06, 2010, 02:18:20 am
Yeah, what Jim said. Look up the material sizes (that can be found on the wiki or in the raw text files) of items you're melting, multiply them by 1/10 and that's gonna be how much metal you get back. Furnace operating skill doesn't affect that, it only makes melting and smelting faster.
so are fractions preserved? at the smelter, globally as a game variable, or lost?
questions about food:
1. what is the difference in interest between the quality of food? I guess the richer ones give more happy thoughts and can be sold for more? So... why produce the lowest quality ones? Because I don't think you produce less low quality meals for the same quantity of ingredients..
Post by: Malicus on March 06, 2010, 02:25:20 am
Yeah, what Jim said. Look up the material sizes (that can be found on the wiki or in the raw text files) of items you're melting, multiply them by 1/10 and that's gonna be how much metal you get back. Furnace operating skill doesn't affect that, it only makes melting and smelting faster.
so are fractions preserved? at the smelter, globally as a game variable, or lost?
Fractions are preserved at THAT smelter, yes -- let's use a copper large dagger for example, because that's worth 1/10 of a bar when melted. Melting down ten of those daggers at a single smelter will get you a copper bar, but melting down 5 at one smelter and 5 at another will not.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 06, 2010, 04:48:33 am
Post by: assimilateur on March 06, 2010, 07:43:06 am
1. what is the difference in interest between the quality of food? I guess the richer ones give more happy thoughts and can be sold for more? So... why produce the lowest quality ones? Because I don't think you produce less low quality meals for the same quantity of ingredients..
Growing a larger variety of food crops is mostly useful for roleplaying reasons ("I care about the quality and variety of catering at my fortress"). Even then, growing the inferior crops, like prickle berries, is virtually useless. Check on the wiki which food crops have a plant value of 4 and only grow those, with the exception of sun berries, because the drink made out of them is the best in the game. Note that sun berries aren't as readily available as most other crops, as the biome they grow in is rather specific.
It's good to have some variety in drinks, as otherwise dwarves will grow tired of drinking the "same old booze lately", but I think it's perfectly feasible to get by on just one food crop (I recommend sweet bots and quarry bushes; I'll explain later), as long as you also grow pig tails or rope reed for fiber, reserving some of the harvest for brewing. Ultimately, it's all up to you. I like to grow all underground crops, while focusing on my favorite sweet pods.
As for my reasons for recommending sweet pods and quarry bushes: the former, when processed to barrels to make dwarven syrup (this is important, as milling them to dwarven sugar works differently) and the latter, when processed to bags to make quarry bush leaves, will yield more products than other crops and methods of processing. To be precise, the above give you 5 times the number of plants in a stack, while everything else gives you just 1 times that. To illustrate, a stack of 5 sweet pods, when milled will give you a stack of 5 sugar, but when processed to a barrel will give you a stack of 25(!) syrup, all in one barrel. Lavish meals made out of large stacks of dwarven syrup and or quarry bush leaves will be really valuable, especially if the cook is experienced.
Your priorities when raising livestock should be similar in that your decision what to raise should be determined by the modvalue and size of the animal. For example, a cow is more valuable than a horse, having the same size, slightly more fat, and a higher modvalue than it. Of course that doesn't mean that you should never use horses when cows are available, just that when you want to get the most bang for your buck, those are the things to look for.
One thing I haven't mentioned were preferences: when a dwarf likes a particular product, they will appreciate it more, obviously enough. However it is not feasible, unless you've got OCD or a very small fort, to cater to every dwarf's preferences, and going for the most valuable and/or abundant food is much easier. Besides, once your cook and brewer (notice the singular; just using one of each is preferable in that they will gain experience faster and should have no problem producing enough even for a hundred dwarves) become more experienced, the food and drink is going to be giving your dwarves good thoughts even if it's not their favorite.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 06, 2010, 08:16:08 am
By the way, I tried the Pit technique for animals... I complained in a previous post that you could not see which animals were already pitted and which ones were not, when wanting to add a few to a pit.
The situation appears to be slightly better than I thought. You can select already pitted animals, BUT it seems the dorfs will not process these orders, i.e they won't take them from the pit to pit them again from above :)
To be confirmed, but in this case one pit per kind of animal seems an okish way of handling flocks of animals...
Post by: Particleman on March 06, 2010, 10:56:47 am
If youdon't want to bother with that (I reccommend you do, though, as you get meat, skulls, bones, and fat from butchered animals. Fat can be turned into tallow at a kitchen and cooked.) you can build a 1x1 pen with an upright spike, chuck all your strays in there, and make kebabs.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 06, 2010, 12:22:21 pm
I got my first baroness (no count, though) philosopher, tax collector, and hammerer.
Aw, shit, I just read about the hammerer's deadly habit of killing people, and her onyx opal encrusted steel warhammer proves it.
how do I get the hammer out of the hammerer's hands?
Post by: Diablous on March 06, 2010, 12:24:04 pm
...And I think you're confused about nobility. Counts come after Barons.
Post by: assimilateur on March 06, 2010, 12:29:12 pm
A better way of handling craploads of stray animals is to butcher them all.
He probably knows that. I mean, he didn't ask about animal disposal, he asked about animal pitting, right?
That said, I don't see the point of pitting them either. I'd either let them stay in the meeting area or restrain them. You only need like 10 females and 2 males (1 is technically enough, but I recommend 2 to be safe) per species to get more meat and other products than you'll ever need, assuming you're raising at least 3 species of large animals.
Mark the hammer to be dumped.
That's one solution, but I recommend doing something else. Namely, if you never appoint neither a sheriff/captain nor a fortress guard, nobody is ever going to get punished. At least that's how it worked the last time for me (which has been a while, my latest fortresses all had too low a pop to even get a hammerer).
Post by: Rolan7 on March 06, 2010, 02:37:42 pm
That's one solution, but I recommend doing something else. Namely, if you never appoint neither a sheriff/captain nor a fortress guard, nobody is ever going to get punished. At least that's how it worked the last time for me (which has been a while, my latest fortresses all had too low a pop to even get a hammerer).
My last hammerer still punished people, despite me not assigning a sheriff. I think. Haven't run a big fortress for a long time.
Not assigning a Sheriff prevents beatings, I'm positive (who would dispense them?). Might prevent jailings too, I don't make jails.
The best way to deal with a hammerer is to cripple it, because I've heard of them punching dwarves to death without their hammer. I always used a single spike trap in the bastard's room, often wooden, and administered one spiking per hammerstrike. The only good hammerer is a bedridden hammerer!
Post by: assimilateur on March 06, 2010, 03:05:20 pm
My last hammerer still punished people, despite me not assigning a sheriff. I think. Haven't run a big fortress for a long time.
Not assigning a Sheriff prevents beatings, I'm positive (who would dispense them?). Might prevent jailings too, I don't make jails.
That is inconsistent. You claimed that two contradictory states of affairs were true at once.
Not having a commander (as in, sheriff or captain of the guard) will force the hammerer to stand down, at least in my experience and according to what I've read on the forums.
Post by: Diablous on March 06, 2010, 03:09:34 pm
The best way to deal with a hammerer is to cripple it, because I've heard of them punching dwarves to death without their hammer. I always used a single spike trap in the bastard's room, often wooden, and administered one spiking per hammerstrike. The only good hammerer is a bedridden hammerer!
In my experience, a Hammerer without a hammer will punch dwarves as many times as he should have hammered them. But the hammerer might have high strength. I took away his hammer and he bruised a guy's liver in a single blow.
Post by: Rolan7 on March 06, 2010, 06:53:55 pm
My last hammerer still punished people, despite me not assigning a sheriff. I think. Haven't run a big fortress for a long time.
Not assigning a Sheriff prevents beatings, I'm positive (who would dispense them?). Might prevent jailings too, I don't make jails.
That is inconsistent. You claimed that two contradictory states of affairs were true at once.
Not having a commander (as in, sheriff or captain of the guard) will force the hammerer to stand down, at least in my experience and according to what I've read on the forums.
Not assigning a sheriff/guard prevents beatings *by the guard*. The hammerer will still deliver hammerstrikes, which are better understood as "beatings" when he lacks his hammer (:
I still think you're mistaken about this (for once), but I'm not positive. I'd check the wiki but I'm meeting someone in a second.
Post by: assimilateur on March 06, 2010, 07:18:48 pm
Not assigning a sheriff/guard prevents beatings *by the guard*.
Makes sense. Figure I took you too literally.
I still think you're mistaken about this (for once), but I'm not positive. I'd check the wiki but I'm meeting someone in a second.
I can't vouch for my version either. I might bother to look for info on the forums later, but I can't be arsed right now. It's been pretty irrelevant in the last several forts for me, because I played with a pop of around 50-60. You need around 80 to get a hammerer, right?
Post by: Steev on March 06, 2010, 07:35:20 pm
Post by: ungulateman on March 06, 2010, 08:30:53 pm
Post by: Steev on March 06, 2010, 09:30:44 pm
But when partial print is set to yes, the screen will occasionally flash black and everything but the screen showing the dorfs will be black, only changing back to normal when I do something involving it, like if I press the (d) key, that screen comes back but everything else stays black, why is it doing this?
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 07, 2010, 02:08:18 am
That's one solution, but I recommend doing something else. Namely, if you never appoint neither a sheriff/captain nor a fortress guard, nobody is ever going to get punished. At least that's how it worked the last time for me (which has been a while, my latest fortresses all had too low a pop to even get a hammerer).
My last hammerer still punished people, despite me not assigning a sheriff. I think. Haven't run a big fortress for a long time.
Not assigning a Sheriff prevents beatings, I'm positive (who would dispense them?). Might prevent jailings too, I don't make jails.
The best way to deal with a hammerer is to cripple it, because I've heard of them punching dwarves to death without their hammer. I always used a single spike trap in the bastard's room, often wooden, and administered one spiking per hammerstrike. The only good hammerer is a bedridden hammerer!
yes, my aim is to handle efficiently lots of animals. Namely I have passed the 75' mark in wardogs... I'm a bit paranoid, last time 25 werewolves butchered my whole fort (and I play wihtout making retractable bridges or digging moats as a defense, as the AI can't pass it). So it is either resist 'frontaly' an assault, or die doing so. :)
Post by: Holzfaust on March 07, 2010, 04:42:25 am
Post by: ungulateman on March 07, 2010, 06:03:51 am
Post by: boyofcheese on March 07, 2010, 08:58:21 am
Post by: Rolan7 on March 07, 2010, 09:07:19 am
Is there any use for alunite, because I have a fuckton of it and I'm not sure what to do with it.
Making walls that are white. Otherwise it's just another stone.
The DF wiki changed addresses recently, here's a link to the new one:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Alunite#Other_Stone
Note alunite doesn't actually have it's own entry because it's a very typical stone.
Post by: boyofcheese on March 07, 2010, 12:02:31 pm
I have another question though, for some reason my carpenters don't want to make enormous wooden screws or pipe sections, saying that they need wood logs, when I have tons of wood sitting in my stockpile, why is this happening?
Post by: The Architect on March 07, 2010, 12:09:09 pm
There is no path between the dwarves, the wood, and the workshops.
There is something wrong with your {o} menu settings: Either you have Dwarves Ignore Wood, or Dwarves Stay Inside.
I'm inclined to think you accidentally turned on "Dwarves Ignore Wood".
Post by: Huggz on March 07, 2010, 12:17:31 pm
Post by: boyofcheese on March 07, 2010, 12:27:20 pm
Post by: Holzfaust on March 07, 2010, 01:59:54 pm
Is there anyway to control magma without having bauxite? I know i can trade for it but I don't want to wait another year. Maybe a bridge?
Try the DF Wiki page about magma for a guide on using magma 'safely'.It is not about tapping magma for setting up magma workshops. I've built a reservoir which is holding quite a bunch magma but up until now theres nothing that whould stop the magma from draining. Usually i whould build a floodgate connect it to a Lever using bauxite mechanism. But since i don't have bauxite ... well you guess it.
[Edit]
I just got the idea about setting up a pump at the drainage. How about that?
Post by: DFPongo on March 07, 2010, 08:40:36 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 07, 2010, 08:45:51 pm
What is the secret to getting the dwarfs to haul away the gear that the goblins forgot when they were torn appart?
It's probably forbidden (a default setting in the orders section which prevents haulers from rushing into combat situations). Use the d-b "claim" command to unforbid all the stuff.
Post by: G-Flex on March 07, 2010, 09:39:40 pm
I know nobles do, and the wiki says children do as well, but I've received conflicting reports elsewhere. Does anyone have first-hand knowledge of this?
Post by: Malicus on March 07, 2010, 10:28:58 pm
Post by: DFPongo on March 07, 2010, 11:20:04 pm
Am I just unlucky or does the game get stupid?
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 07, 2010, 11:25:40 pm
Your fortress will see an instant productivity boost.
Post by: DFPongo on March 08, 2010, 01:23:53 am
Post by: Garrie on March 08, 2010, 01:39:00 am
Is it just me, or does the game turn into a battle against partys in the 4th year. party party party party party party party.My problem is usually by that time I am focussed too much on only 10-15 of my dwarfs and the other 80-120 are partying like mad (except for the millitary ones).
Am I just unlucky or does the game get stupid?
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 08, 2010, 01:59:58 am
So it seems no zoo either?
Post by: The Architect on March 08, 2010, 02:02:24 am
The other option is to simply cancel parties as they occur by removing the meeting area and then re-designating it. It requires a ~5 seconds each time, but it allows you to have your meeting areas as you like without parties ruining your work.
Post by: Garrie on March 08, 2010, 02:11:29 am
Post by: Sphalerite on March 08, 2010, 09:05:52 am
Post by: The Architect on March 08, 2010, 09:08:47 am
However, I have occasionally been frustrated when one unoccupied dwarf (say, a Brewer when I run out of barrels for a couple of dwarven weeks) throws a party that involves my busy dwarves. Providing a solution to frustrated players is important.
Post by: mrbobbyg on March 08, 2010, 09:45:16 am
Pool party!
(FWIW, I have yet to implement this, but it's next on my list now that I've finished my dwarven reactor powered infinite mist loop)
Post by: The Architect on March 08, 2010, 11:04:19 am
Has anyone tried a meeting zone in a dwarven swimming pool? Does it work? Does it teach your dwarves swimming? I suspect they might use it if it were shallow enough that they didn't believe the path to be obstructed.
Post by: Taco Dan on March 08, 2010, 11:32:17 am
Post by: Sphalerite on March 08, 2010, 11:42:51 am
How do you remove corpses from cages?Create a garbage dump zone, then designate the corpse for dumping. Unforbid the corpse afterwards if you want to butcher it or whatever. This is also how you reclaim seeds, bones, or shells left over after taming a caged animal.
Post by: Randomone on March 08, 2010, 03:38:27 pm
The questions I have are:
1.Will anything path through "falling water?" There will be a grate for a floor once the waterfall "opens", but I'm not sure what happens with both a floor and a waterfall.
2.If I divide the waterfall up top with floodgates, will the waterfall stay separate or join back up in the fall?
Post by: boyofcheese on March 08, 2010, 04:46:32 pm
Post by: Diablous on March 08, 2010, 04:48:41 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 08, 2010, 06:06:59 pm
I think I heard that caravans won't arrive if you embark in the middle of a mountain range with embark anywhere. Maybe if all the tiles are mountain, maybe you have to be surrounded by mountain, doesn't matter to me.
My question is: Will goblins, kobolds, megabeasts, and/or migrants still arrive?
I'll probably try this tomorrow anyway but I'm impatient and I know people have tried it already (:
Post by: boyofcheese on March 08, 2010, 08:10:15 pm
Post by: Sutremaine on March 08, 2010, 09:06:50 pm
Post by: DFPongo on March 08, 2010, 09:50:14 pm
quoted.How do you remove corpses from cages?Create a garbage dump zone, then designate the corpse for dumping. Unforbid the corpse afterwards if you want to butcher it or whatever. This is also how you reclaim seeds, bones, or shells left over after taming a caged animal.
In case there were any questions about how crazy the interface for this game is.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 09, 2010, 02:32:21 am
quoted.How do you remove corpses from cages?Create a garbage dump zone, then designate the corpse for dumping. Unforbid the corpse afterwards if you want to butcher it or whatever. This is also how you reclaim seeds, bones, or shells left over after taming a caged animal.
In case there were any questions about how crazy the interface for this game is.
my favorite is certainly that you can't switch on duty or out of duty a military dwarf from the select squad (x) or view creature (v) menu, but only from the military (m) list. This is handy, really... (and yes, this is irony, the most common metal found in DF :P )
Post by: Aachen on March 09, 2010, 03:01:04 am
"v" - "p" - "A"
No?
Post by: Garrie on March 09, 2010, 03:42:31 am
Post by: Aachen on March 09, 2010, 03:48:21 am
technically that will work if you're happy to do the whole squad the dwarf is a part of
Except that
.... you can't switch on duty or out of duty a military dwarf from the select squad (x) or view creature (v) menu, but only from the military (m) list....
was the statement, not "One can't manipulate squad membership from the Select Squad (x) or View Creature (v) ...."
That is technically correct.
Post by: Garrie on March 09, 2010, 06:11:07 am
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 09, 2010, 01:53:41 pm
indeed :)technically that will work if you're happy to do the whole squad the dwarf is a part of
Except that
.... you can't switch on duty or out of duty a military dwarf from the select squad (x) or view creature (v) menu, but only from the military (m) list....
was the statement, not "One can't manipulate squad membership from the Select Squad (x) or View Creature (v) ...."
That is technically correct.
BuUt enough rants :)
1. can tower cap growing underground block passage of fluids, I hope not!
2. are animals with restraints generating full pathfinding (thus reducing FPS)?
Post by: Sphalerite on March 09, 2010, 01:56:04 pm
1. can tower cap growing underground block passage of fluids, I hope not!They can. They'll even block magma. Build roads or constructed floors to stop them from growing where you need water to flow unblocked.
Post by: BitLooter on March 09, 2010, 11:01:11 pm
My question: Why do my windmills (and to a lesser extent, my waterwheels) seem to spontaneously destruct when I'm not looking? I suspect it has something to do with disengaging gears, is that right?
Post by: Malicus on March 09, 2010, 11:37:18 pm
My question: Why do my windmills (and to a lesser extent, my waterwheels) seem to spontaneously destruct when I'm not looking? I suspect it has something to do with disengaging gears, is that right?
If you disengage a gear assembly, then it no longer gives support to the things that are relying on it for support. You should probably make sure that nothing relies on a gear for support before you link it to a lever to be able to disengage it. As far as windmills go, don't hook up a gear directly below the windmill (or directly below a vertical axle directly below the windmill) -- instead, hook up a gear that goes off to the side (but still is along the flow of power from the windmill to what you're powering). For water wheels, make sure that there is a mechanical component not described as "hanging" between the water wheel and the gear you want to hook up.
You could also build a windmill with a stable (not hanging over empty space) foundation. After the windmill is built, build a machine component of some sort a z-level below the windmill's center tile and the power will somehow pass through the floor. A windmill built this way isn't in danger of collapsing if the machine components below it stop giving support.
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 10, 2010, 02:13:30 am
As for FPS, are chained animals CPU intensive? I know that animals behind a 'not pet passable but not forbidden' door are, but I wonder about the former.
Post by: Grek on March 10, 2010, 02:27:10 am
Post by: Steev on March 10, 2010, 02:36:09 am
I haven't appointed a Captain of the Guard yet so will it matter if I'm only at 5/6 Fortress Guard?
Post by: Garrie on March 10, 2010, 02:42:23 am
Just hit 60 dwarfs and I'm wondering if the Fortress Guard does anything besides sparring and wandering around, I had a goblin ambush attack a lone woodcutter not too far from the fortress yet the guardsdwarfs did nothing but stand around while the elite wrestlers did the heavy lifting.They do justice related stuff (stuff dwarfs into justice cages) which prevent the hammerer from hammerering dwarfs when you don't make enough pig iron items just because someone said that you sshould (even though you have no pig iron...)
I haven't appointed a Captain of the Guard yet so will it matter if I'm only at 5/6 Fortress Guard?
They spar heaps. So if you keep an eye on them, swap them out before they become legendary and replace them with a peasant to get good haulers. Or put them in your millitary and use you Fortress / Royal Guard to train your recruits.
Post by: Steev on March 10, 2010, 03:05:05 am
Is there anyway to kick them out of the guard if they've hit great or higher?Just hit 60 dwarfs and I'm wondering if the Fortress Guard does anything besides sparring and wandering around, I had a goblin ambush attack a lone woodcutter not too far from the fortress yet the guardsdwarfs did nothing but stand around while the elite wrestlers did the heavy lifting.They do justice related stuff (stuff dwarfs into justice cages) which prevent the hammerer from hammerering dwarfs when you don't make enough pig iron items just because someone said that you sshould (even though you have no pig iron...)
I haven't appointed a Captain of the Guard yet so will it matter if I'm only at 5/6 Fortress Guard?
They spar heaps. So if you keep an eye on them, swap them out before they become legendary and replace them with a peasant to get good haulers. Or put them in your millitary and use you Fortress / Royal Guard to train your recruits.
Post by: Garrie on March 10, 2010, 04:26:43 am
Is there anyway to kick them out of the guard if they've hit great or higher?AFAIK you can kick them out of the guard so long as they are not legendary yet. I might well be totally wrong though?
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 11, 2010, 04:19:55 pm
Post by: Particleman on March 11, 2010, 09:16:06 pm
If for some reason thier practice gets interrupted while they stillh ave bolts in hand though, they'll either drop them, or put them in thier quiver (meaning you can potentially have a single quiver holding thousands of bolts.) I'mnot sure exactly how it happens, though, as military commands are weird.
Edit: Speaking of military commands being weird, I have a couple soldiers who absolutely insist on holding thier shields and weapons in the same hand. I know this question must have been asked a million times already, but I did a seach and nothing came up. How do I get them to hold thier shields in one hand and thier weapon in the other, and not both in the same hand? No, thier hands aren't injured. I'vw also tried telling them to drop thier weapons and shields, then pick them up again (I've tried shield first, weapon first, and both at once.) They still refuse to pick up an item with each hand.
Post by: geoduck on March 13, 2010, 11:16:15 pm
Edit: Speaking of military commands being weird, I have a couple soldiers who absolutely insist on holding thier shields and weapons in the same hand. I know this question must have been asked a million times already, but I did a seach and nothing came up. How do I get them to hold thier shields in one hand and thier weapon in the other, and not both in the same hand? No, thier hands aren't injured. I'vw also tried telling them to drop thier weapons and shields, then pick them up again (I've tried shield first, weapon first, and both at once.) They still refuse to pick up an item with each hand.
Did you make sure that there was nothing besides the weapon and shield in either hand? Clothes get ripped off in wrestling matches, and have to be forcibly taken away.
Post by: Garrie on March 14, 2010, 05:23:45 am
So why is it, I dig out a room at the ((lowest z-level)+1), with a channel over the magma at (lowest z-level) - and by the time my *smith turns up with the stuff to build a magma forge, there is magma all over the floor?
1/7 deep to be sure, but still, he's not gunna walk through it to build a forge is he!
damn wussy dworfs, in my day....</mutter>
Post by: vorpal+5 on March 14, 2010, 05:34:19 am
M.....F
MMMM
side view... the up left M is some magma at z+1, F is your furnace/channel.
Post by: Garrie on March 14, 2010, 05:44:01 am
depends, if there is also a magma chamber at the z+1 level, then it applies pressure to the z level and magma will exit a bit through your channel.I know if I did the same thing with a bunch of water I'd be screwed. But I thought "magma doesn't have pressure". Or is that just a bad rumour?
My magma pipe is about 20 z-levels deep, we are at the bottom 2 z-levels of the map. So there is roughly 18 z-levels of magma above me, and an "infinate" number below me, but only one below me that I can get to.
Post by: Malicus on March 14, 2010, 06:26:14 am
Post by: Rolan7 on March 14, 2010, 09:50:36 am
There's an area in which the pipe tries to refill itself by spawning magma spears, and that area seems to extend a bit into what's initially solid rock.
I bet you'll keep getting that loose magma even if you build a floor over the channel. So extend the channel and build some wall.
Magma *definitely* doesn't have pressure, except when a screw pump is involved.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 14, 2010, 04:03:34 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on March 14, 2010, 04:09:24 pm
Will kobolds steal the random forbidden +Goblin bone bolt+ sitting on the map from hunting?Yes, and you will see a report of the horrible crime in your messages, and your dwarves will then carve masterwork engravings of the infamous master theft of the forbidden +Goblin bone bolt+ from your fortress. And then the kobolds, emboldened by getting away with such a grand crime, will send ambush groups to attack your fortress. I recommend preemptively flooding the world with magma.
Post by: assimilateur on March 14, 2010, 04:20:29 pm
Now, does anyone know what tag is responsible for this? I already removed [item_thief] (otherwise, they wouldn't be sieging as early as they do), so that can't be it.
Post by: nickbii on March 14, 2010, 10:26:59 pm
1) Will the humans ever send me another caravan? I need wood to make (several hundred) beds, and that'll take a lot longer if I have to rely on the elves.
2) Right now their siege is very boring. I locked my sally port, raised the drawbridge, and now the humies are just milling around outside. How soon will they give up?
Post by: DFPongo on March 15, 2010, 12:38:30 am
I have cages. (on an animal stockpile)
I have kittens. 3 running arround, only one has face latched a dwarf.
How do I get the kittens in the cages before they face latch the dwarves?
I have tried status, animals(kill order only)
I have tried "Qing" the cage.
I have tried the unit - kitten screen.
ARGH
Post by: The Architect on March 15, 2010, 12:41:20 am
Post by: DFPongo on March 15, 2010, 01:02:57 am
There is no assign command on the kitten when I use Unit then Z
Post by: The Architect on March 15, 2010, 01:19:25 am
Post by: DFPongo on March 15, 2010, 02:11:16 am
I have to B place it somewhere, then assign it. I looked at the wiki and the newbies
"As animal restraining device, where you simply plant it and allocate any animals (except pets) you want in it. Females that are caged will not get pregnant, but animals can bear children when caged."
So I see again that plant = build
Post by: ancistrus on March 15, 2010, 03:23:20 am
Post by: Garrie on March 15, 2010, 04:42:48 am
Is it possible to have hippos and chasm on one map?I'm not sure what biome(s) hippos come up on, but AFAIK chasms come up on Mountain only.
For hippos to come up on a map with chasms on it, you need to find a map that has mountains intersecting the biome that hippos are on (then be lucky enough that there is chasm on one of the mountain tiles, AND be lucky enough to get hippos spawning on that non-mountaint tile).
So: Possible? Definately.
Likely? Not in any given world-gen. But with enough iterations, yes it will happen.
Post by: nil on March 15, 2010, 11:35:06 am
Is it possible to have hippos and chasm on one map?You want mountains next to a tropical river or lake, as Garrie said. Try genning hot, wet maps with lots of rivers and a high elevation variation. Use elevation meshes, too (you want the mid-range elevations to have low or no frequency so you can get lowlands right next to mountains).
Speaking of theft, I modded a couple of civs based on the kobold raws (made new entities using mostly kobold data, but modified in a way that they'd siege me ASAP). Every time a modified sieger would escape, I'd be seeing engravings of them stealing the very equipment they came with.If I had to guess (and I do because I don't know, although I have heard of this before) I'd say it's lockpicker or skulking.
Now, does anyone know what tag is responsible for this? I already removed [item_thief] (otherwise, they wouldn't be sieging as early as they do), so that can't be it.
My human liason has an accident with a giant rat a few years back. Since then the humans send an army to besiege me every year instead of a caravan. So I got two questions:Eventually the humans will send a diplomat to make peace with you. Seigers can stick around for multiple seasons.
1) Will the humans ever send me another caravan? I need wood to make (several hundred) beds, and that'll take a lot longer if I have to rely on the elves.
2) Right now their siege is very boring. I locked my sally port, raised the drawbridge, and now the humies are just milling around outside. How soon will they give up?
Post by: assimilateur on March 15, 2010, 11:41:12 am
If I had to guess (and I do because I don't know, although I have heard of this before) I'd say it's lockpicker or skulking.
OK, thanks for the input. It can't be lockpicker, as that's a creature tag that only my kobolds, and never my modded creatures, had. Don't know about skulking; I see that I've removed it, but for all I know that tag might have been still in use in my modded entities at that time.
Post by: Malicus on March 15, 2010, 03:35:23 pm
Is it possible to have hippos and chasm on one map?
I tried to get this to happen last night and today, and I couldn't, even with the world painter. I can't prove that it's impossible, but I have the feeling that it actually is impossible (or at least that it is maddeningly difficult). Perhaps this is because few underwater creatures actually seem to be appearing in lakes that don't have an implied river running through that tile, and only brooks can exist in mountain regions (a stream or river is mutually exclusive with a mountain region, a brook does not seem to support aquatic creatures, and chasms only appear in mountain regions). The raws for hippos say that they appear only in rivers and lakes, so...
Post by: jimi12 on March 15, 2010, 06:03:43 pm
Post by: assimilateur on March 15, 2010, 06:18:16 pm
I killed a goblin snatcher. I wanted to make a goblin leather backpack, eat goblin meat, and make goblin bone greaves. Is it possible to utilize corpses or goblins, kobolds, or even dwarves?
You can utilize the bones and skulls of humanoids (not counting dwarves) no problem. Using their meat, fat and leather is either downright impossible, or would require modding I am unfamiliar with.
Post by: Odd!x on March 15, 2010, 08:13:54 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on March 15, 2010, 08:16:46 pm
the [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:ACCEPTABLE] tag added to the entry of dwarves (under 'mountain') in entity_default in the raws folder will allow your dwarves to butcher intelligent enemies they kill, and [ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:ACCEPTABLE] will just let them butcher whoever they please.No it doesn't. I've been playing cats for the past couple of months, who have those ethics, and cannot butcher sapients.
Post by: DFPongo on March 16, 2010, 01:14:27 am
I had hoped to make the doors, tables and thrones out of it. Seems that doesn't work, so I tried some crafts, that doesn't work.
Is it a Jem? I don't see it in the gem list from the wiki...
It calls it an economic stone.
Just designate a refuse zone outside and designate it all for dump so I can work the floors?
Post by: Malicus on March 16, 2010, 01:47:20 am
Does it change the secondary-scroll keys too? They're usually '-' for secondary up, '+' for secondary down, and '*' and '/' for secondary page down/up.
Post by: sjaakwortel on March 16, 2010, 11:52:37 am
You can try to make it foolproof, but fools are so bloody ingenious
Post by: Kipi on March 16, 2010, 12:04:46 pm
Is there a way to make dumping items a LOW priority task ?
As far as I know, no. The priorities of different tasks are hardcoded.
Post by: DFPongo on March 16, 2010, 12:51:02 pm
that must be it, I started with the newbys walk through and that has Mayday included.
Great response, I will fix that and roll back to an earlier save so I can have Jet everything.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 16, 2010, 06:05:19 pm
Post by: Diablous on March 16, 2010, 06:10:10 pm
I have a metalsmith stricken with a strange mood she claims a magma forge blah blah blah. And after a long time I finally figured out her mystery metal is silver because she prefers it and now she is collecting everything else, could she go insane while collecting it or while she is making it?No.
Post by: Malicus on March 16, 2010, 06:36:28 pm
I have a metalsmith stricken with a strange mood she claims a magma forge blah blah blah. And after a long time I finally figured out her mystery metal is silver because she prefers it and now she is collecting everything else, could she go insane while collecting it or while she is making it?
Dwarves have been known to go insane while collecting their final material after having waited a long time. A dwarf won't go insane if they've started work on it, though. (Unless that work is interrupted.)
Post by: Rolan7 on March 16, 2010, 06:41:18 pm
I have a metalsmith stricken with a strange mood she claims a magma forge blah blah blah. And after a long time I finally figured out her mystery metal is silver because she prefers it and now she is collecting everything else, could she go insane while collecting it or while she is making it?
Dwarves have been known to go insane while collecting their final material after having waited a long time. A dwarf won't go insane if they've started work on it, though. (Unless that work is interrupted.)
This is true. Also, it's in the wiki! (:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Strange_mood
It's at the bottom in the "failure" section.
Not complaining mind you - answering questions is kinda fun, particularly in a thread like this where they aren't cluttering the topics list.
Post by: DFPongo on March 17, 2010, 01:40:08 am
I get no magma options in by build menus.
I have found a pool. filled channels below the forge room with 6/7 magma, dug a one square channel down. mined 20 bauxite.
But I get no options for the magma forge or the magma smelter.
They do not even show up in the menus.
Sigh.
Post by: Garrie on March 17, 2010, 01:53:48 am
Magma smelter issues.
I get no magma options in by build menus.
I have found a pool. filled channels below the forge room with 6/7 magma, dug a one square channel down. mined 20 bauxite.
But I get no options for the magma forge or the magma smelter.
They do not even show up in the menus.
Sigh.
Are you saying you get options for "normal" metalsmith forge / smelter / glassmaking furnace, but not magma ones?
Post by: Garrie on March 17, 2010, 01:55:39 am
I embarked on a map with one, I've found the magma pipe (24 tiles from map edge....), now I just need to find my underground river so I can work out where to put my obsidian factory.
I've never had underground river before.
It looks weird having a unit list full of dead amphibians I've never seen.
Edit: I want a exploratory mining method not a link to reveal please.
Post by: Garrie on March 17, 2010, 01:59:14 am
Is there a way to make dumping items a LOW priority task ?Only allocate "refuse hauling" to LOW priority dwarfs? ;)
Post by: G-Flex on March 17, 2010, 07:12:31 am
Can someone point me to a guide on how to find an underground river?
I embarked on a map with one, I've found the magma pipe (24 tiles from map edge....), now I just need to find my underground river so I can work out where to put my obsidian factory.
I've never had underground river before.
It looks weird having a unit list full of dead amphibians I've never seen.
Edit: I want a exploratory mining method not a link to reveal please.
You don't need exploratory mining methods as much if you just set (in the init file or worldgen parameters) such features to be visible on embark: Then you'd know about where on the map the feature is, and would be able to just dig a few shafts down and find it.
Alternatively, since this isn't an option for you right now (since you're already playing), pressing shift+D (depot access map) should help, as the undiscovered feature tiles should be marked differently from the solid rock tiles around it.
Just plain exploratory mining is difficult in a case like this, because you have no idea where on the map it might be.
Post by: smokingwreckage on March 17, 2010, 07:37:19 am
You can download and run Visual Fortress, it will show you map features if you "allow" it to. I use it just for that.
Post by: DFPongo on March 17, 2010, 10:44:18 am
Magma smelter issues.
I get no magma options in by build menus.
I have found a pool. filled channels below the forge room with 6/7 magma, dug a one square channel down. mined 20 bauxite.
But I get no options for the magma forge or the magma smelter.
They do not even show up in the menus.
Sigh.
Are you saying you get options for "normal" metalsmith forge / smelter / glassmaking furnace, but not magma ones?
Yes
Post by: kralmir on March 17, 2010, 10:50:58 am
Magma smelter issues.
I get no magma options in by build menus.
I have found a pool. filled channels below the forge room with 6/7 magma, dug a one square channel down. mined 20 bauxite.
But I get no options for the magma forge or the magma smelter.
They do not even show up in the menus.
Sigh.
Are you saying you get options for "normal" metalsmith forge / smelter / glassmaking furnace, but not magma ones?
Yes
did you discover it when you dug into it and got a message for it, or did you use a program like reveal.exe to locate the magma? or was it visible on the surface when you started?
Post by: Urist McOverlord on March 17, 2010, 11:11:29 am
Post by: nickbii on March 17, 2010, 11:42:26 am
Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
Nick
Post by: Urist McOverlord on March 17, 2010, 11:53:39 am
Just off the top of my head.
Also, you can pit them into magma. Just a thought. Magma makes everything better...
Post by: kralmir on March 17, 2010, 12:14:51 pm
Post by: nickbii on March 17, 2010, 12:19:07 pm
I tried un-dumping the cages, I'll report back if that works.
Post by: DFPongo on March 17, 2010, 12:28:47 pm
reveal...he said with a blush
Post by: kralmir on March 17, 2010, 02:38:40 pm
however there is some tool that sets some of the magma tiles as hidden or something like that allowing you to discover it, il try and see if i can find it for you
edit: i think this would help you if you can figure out how to use it:P
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Utility:For_Each_Tile
check at the hide radious topic, it says something about hiding magma so you can rediscover it, read the rest of the page to figure out how it works, else just make a new topic here and ask others how to do it
Post by: DFPongo on March 17, 2010, 05:17:14 pm
So go back to the first save, don't reveal and start over again I guess.
Thats great help though. Thanks.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 17, 2010, 05:55:04 pm
Could someone explain it a bit please?
Post by: assimilateur on March 17, 2010, 06:29:50 pm
I don't understand the concept of a pump stack, the wiki is a bit confusing about it.
Could someone explain it a bit please?
A pump is made of two tiles. The one passable tile is where your pump operator stands, and the other impassable tile is what keeps the pumped liquid from flowing back. To transport a liquid more than one level up, you sort of stack pumps, as the name suggests; each higher pump has its passable tile - i.e. the one that pumps from below - over the impassable tile of the lower pump.
Sorry if this might turn out no more clear than the wiki's description.
EDIT: My description also isn't precise enough, I'm afraid.
(http://df.magmawiki.com/images/e/ec/Jt_screwpump.png)
Take the above schematic from the wiki. To make a basic stack of two pumps, you'd have to build another pump with its passable tile (illustrated here by that wheel used for operating the pump) orthogonally to the above two tiles of water.
Post by: nickbii on March 18, 2010, 12:45:56 am
To make a pump stack first you build a pump over the water source. You use that to fill a small pool. Then you build another pump above that pool, which fills a second pool. Repeat.
In theory you could do this in any pattern, as long as the pools were full and you had enough pumps to keep them that way. But the pump stack's easy to plan for, guaranteed to not accidentally drown your entire fortress, and has no interesting flow issues.
Nick
Post by: The Architect on March 18, 2010, 01:07:09 am
In simpler terms: the 3-dimensional grid is broken, with a sort of Escher effect.
Post by: o_O[WTFace] on March 18, 2010, 04:28:08 am
#%%_
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#%%_
~[][][]
The bottom pump (A) pumps from west to east, when activated, it pulls water from the space west and below it through the grate and outputs it to the right of the pump. The next pumps (B) from east to west, it pulls water from pump (A)'s output and shoves it into the space to the west of it. (C) pulls from that and dumps it out on the floor to the east and so on.
#%%_
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#%%_
~[][][]
Important things to remember: A pump that pulls from west needs open space or a grate (etc?) in the tile west of it, and liquid immediately below the grate, it cant pull through floors, and it cant pull water thats just sitting on the same level as the pump. Both tiles of the pump need to sit on floor of some sort. Power is input into the side of the pump that it pulls from. Red would be powered by running an axle or a dwarf into the left %. Pumps dont really pump liquid they teleport it. This means magma can be pumped without magma safe materials, as long as magma doesn't actually get splashed on the "pumps from" side. Wood can actually be used to pump magma if certain precautions are taken, but thats actually an ongoing area of research.
Post by: kralmir on March 18, 2010, 07:23:58 am
and no manually setting the vermins to forbid is not a option, im playing a 7x7 map where bats and stuff seem to die randomly all over the map, even on the opposite side of me
Post by: assimilateur on March 18, 2010, 08:55:24 am
Anything with the word "orthogonal" in it is begging to be simplified.
To make a pump stack first you build a pump over the water source. You use that to fill a small pool. Then you build another pump above that pool, which fills a second pool. Repeat.
Yeah, your description is much better, as in, simpler than mine. I don't, however, see a problem with words like orthogonal. I'm aware of the fact that one might not know what that means, but 10 seconds with a dictionary will sort that out.
is there any way to tell your dwarves to collect the corpses of wild animals and enemies from outside but to not collect dead vermin outside ?
If by collect you mean bring to a stockpile, then you can set up your refuse stockpiles so that they don't accept vermin remains. Go to your stockpiles' settings and while leaving remains in the item types section tagged, simply deselect things like bats or rats in the corpses section.
Of course that's gonna be a lot of clicks, so if you're going to make several such stockpiles, it's preferable to set up one custom stockpile and designate the news one after its pattern.
One way of avoiding that problem altogether is not accepting any corpses at your refuse stockpiles at all. Unless you're doing something with them I'm unaware is even possible, you don't need to haul in corpses of goblins anyway. You can instead let them rot in the open and then gather their bones and skulls.
I just realized that if you've got cats (and thus, vermin corpses strewn about your fortress, then you're going to need refuse stockpiles or garbage dumps for remains anyway. Which would make the entirety of my above advice useless. If that's the case, then I hope someone here comes up with something better.
Post by: kralmir on March 18, 2010, 09:14:03 am
Post by: assimilateur on March 18, 2010, 09:16:39 am
Post by: kralmir on March 18, 2010, 09:46:25 am
Post by: assimilateur on March 18, 2010, 10:04:01 am
and if you actually think that everyone has english as theyr primary language
Believe it or not, but that's not what I thought. Hell, English isn't my native language either.
most people will know words like orthogonal
That, however, I did assume. I don't use unclear language on purpose, and if I think some word would have to be Googled by most people, I wouldn't have used it.
I recommend using private messages if you want to discuss my use of language or even my perceived arrogance any further. Continuing like this, we can expect complaints about us supposedly fighting (as I see it, we're merely having a level-headed discussion) and derailing this thread (which, I admit, would be a valid complaint).
Post by: Rolan7 on March 18, 2010, 10:14:57 am
I like this image for pump stacks, though it's also from the wiki:
(http://df.magmawiki.com/images/f/fd/Pumpsnc4.png)
Here's how I made pump stacks:
1) Build a tall stairway
2) Designate the pumps directly on top of each other, next to the stairway so dwarves can access them.
3) Provide power to any of the pump and they'll distribute it (more pumps need more power).
That's right, no walls necessary. There's very little spillage, since the pumps work so fast.
Edit: Used the wrong link and didn't preview, duh. Thanks assimilateur!
Post by: assimilateur on March 18, 2010, 10:26:20 am
That said, seeing how you say it's a good illustration of pump stack on the wiki, I can probably guess which image (http://df.magmawiki.com/images/f/fd/Pumpsnc4.png) you meant.
In the meantime, I need to ask the following:
1. Do hippos spawn in tropical brooks and streams, or only in rivers? I'm guessing it's the latter, since I can't seem to get any large fish in brooks either.
2. From your experience, if you only get 1 or 2 tiles of a given biome, how likely are you to see any significant number of animals spawn there?
Post by: shome on March 18, 2010, 08:07:29 pm
1. Do hippos spawn in tropical brooks and streams, or only in rivers? I'm guessing it's the latter, since I can't seem to get any large fish in brooks either.IIRC brooks don'tcount as biomes, so you shouldn't get things spawning from them.
Post by: assimilateur on March 18, 2010, 08:10:03 pm
1. Do hippos spawn in tropical brooks and streams, or only in rivers? I'm guessing it's the latter, since I can't seem to get any large fish in brooks either.IIRC brooks don'tcount as biomes, so you shouldn't get things spawning from them.
That's what I thought (as I said, there's never any large fish in them), and I'm having one hell of a time finding rivers larger than a brook.
I guess what I should be asking now is how to generate worlds with more rivers and shit, but I'm close to giving up on getting the perfect world. Hell, I've been generating worlds and modding the game for a couple of weeks now without playing, enough is enough.
Post by: Bauglir on March 19, 2010, 10:22:15 am
Post by: nickbii on March 19, 2010, 12:31:54 pm
I'm sorry, but I don't think you can compare using technical terminology - if words like orthogonal might even be considered that, as I'd think most people would learn that at high school - with randomly using words from a completely different language.It's actually fairly obscure. The only reason I know it is that I watch Survivor, the castaways were letting an architect build their shelter, and she used it. It took her three tries to explain that she wanted a right angle.
I'm sorry if I was a bit abrupt in my simplification. I try to be a nice guy, but I almost always fail. :-\
Post by: assimilateur on March 19, 2010, 01:14:51 pm
I'm sorry if I was a bit abrupt in my simplification. I try to be a nice guy, but I almost always fail. :-\
No problem, mate.
When HFS is generated, is it the same kind of clowns? Like, if you embark on a site, reveal to check it and find out it's a kind you don't want, can you quit without saving and re-embark to see if it's changed?
I think (I can't stress that enough: I'm not sure if I remember it correctly) I've seen the clown species change on the same embark, though not after simply re-embarking. What I did was regenerate the world with the same world seed and other parameters (leaving the history seed random, as that might conceivably give you the same clowns all over again).
You probably know how to regenerate the same world, but just in case, I'll explain again (plus it might help someone else browsing this thread): with your fortress loaded, press ESC, go to export local image and press 'e'. That will provide you with several files, one of which will be called <fortressname>-param or something. You copy and past its whole contents into your \init\world_gen.txt file.
Post by: Bauglir on March 19, 2010, 04:19:48 pm
Post by: Organum on March 19, 2010, 06:49:58 pm
Can dwarves dig up?
By which I mean, can a dwarf starting underground make a 'down staircase' on the tile on the z-level above them?
Post by: Diablous on March 19, 2010, 06:51:21 pm
This is a super basic question but I couldn't find an answer when I searched for it.If there is an up staircase under the designated down, then yeah, I think so.
Can dwarves dig up?
By which I mean, can a dwarf starting underground make a 'down staircase' on the tile on the z-level above them?
Post by: Rolan7 on March 19, 2010, 06:55:28 pm
This is a super basic question but I couldn't find an answer when I searched for it.If there is an up staircase under the designated down, then yeah, I think so.
Can dwarves dig up?
By which I mean, can a dwarf starting underground make a 'down staircase' on the tile on the z-level above them?
Yep, this is right.
If there isn't an up staircase, like if you want to tunnel up out of a dug room, you'll need to "construct" one, then dig a down staircase above it.
Post by: Organum on March 19, 2010, 08:50:54 pm
This is a super basic question but I couldn't find an answer when I searched for it.If there is an up staircase under the designated down, then yeah, I think so.
Can dwarves dig up?
By which I mean, can a dwarf starting underground make a 'down staircase' on the tile on the z-level above them?
Yep, this is right.
If there isn't an up staircase, like if you want to tunnel up out of a dug room, you'll need to "construct" one, then dig a down staircase above it.
Thanks, you two.
EDIT: Hum. I've got a constructed up staircase and have designated a down staircase be dug above it, but they don't seem to want to do it. Does this only work if the above tile is already open? I'm trying to tunnel multiple levels upwards.
EDIT AGAIN: Oh, never mind. Once they stopped being lazy, it worked.
Post by: Bauglir on March 19, 2010, 09:07:55 pm
Post by: Lukas on March 19, 2010, 10:16:06 pm
On embark, the list of gems I could bring with was very long and, to my delight, included green diamonds, which I planned to buy truckloads of later. However, when I got my first caravan, the list of gems I could request was about 5 long, none of which was particularly nice except maybe black opal. So my question is this: is my impression that the list of gems at embark is the same list as your civ can trade with correct, or was this not a very irritating glitch and actually how it's supposed to work? Bear in mind, not just really valuable gems were gone, either. All the ornamental gems from the original list were gone, too, just a few of the semi-precious being left.
I believe that on embark the list of items available are basically all the items in the world (that the dwarves can bring along), yet only certain civilizations deal with certain items. so for the gems, the civilization you're requesting gems from probably just doesn't deal with those gems. I know some civilizations don't allow you to request things like plump helmet spawns, for example. try waiting out different caravans and see what gems they have to offer; im sure the lists will vary
Post by: assimilateur on March 19, 2010, 10:22:22 pm
Post by: Bauglir on March 19, 2010, 10:38:35 pm
Post by: NecroRebel on March 19, 2010, 11:33:17 pm
This would be something like your civ has outposts on both the inside and outside of a big valley, enclosed and thus inaccessible on all sides by mountains. You embark inside the valley. When you're embarking, you have access to the resources from both the inside-valley and outside-valley outposts. When your liaison arrives, you can only order resources from inside the valley, since the outside-valley ones don't have access.
I'm not sure that that's even possible, of course, but it would be a DF-logic logical reason why it would work the way you've seen.
Post by: The Architect on March 20, 2010, 12:09:09 am
http://ziza.es/2009/08/26/print:page,1,natura_20_foto.html
Enjoy photographs of dwarfy things, like magma and lava. And burning forests. And ocean waves (the kind that drag your supplies and dwarves out to sea). And lava and ocean waves together. And lava flooding civilization (a road in this case, I believe).
Post by: Malicus on March 20, 2010, 12:11:25 am
This is a super basic question but I couldn't find an answer when I searched for it.
Can dwarves dig up?
By which I mean, can a dwarf starting underground make a 'down staircase' on the tile on the z-level above them?
Others have answered this, but I have to include a warning: When digging up, dwarves can't see what they're digging into until they've already dug into it. This is a good way to accidentally flood your fortress (not that it's usually a good thing to do).
Post by: assimilateur on March 20, 2010, 12:34:42 am
I'm not sure that that's even possible, of course, but it would be a DF-logic logical reason why it would work the way you've seen.
Your explanation makes sense. It would also suggest that re-embarking from a different civ - assuming there even were more than one in his world - should produce different results. As should re-generating the world with a different history seed.
Post by: Bauglir on March 20, 2010, 12:54:25 am
Post by: Randomone on March 20, 2010, 08:21:49 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 20, 2010, 12:13:30 pm
How do I check if i'm at war with another civ, because the entire fucking human caravan just got wiped off the map by a siege.
Post by: Particleman on March 20, 2010, 01:14:28 pm
(ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_BATTLE)
(NAME:battle axe:battle axes)
(DAMAGE:55:SLASH)
(DAMAGE:55:BLUDGEON)
(WEIGHT:80)
(SKILL:AXE)
(TWO_HANDED:4)
(MINIMUM_SIZE:4)
(MATERIAL_SIZE:4)
The parentheses would be replaced with brackets, of course.
Also, would the lower damage values make the weapon less effective? I want to add the additional damage type without actually making axes stronger.
Post by: Asmodeous on March 20, 2010, 01:29:22 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 20, 2010, 01:30:56 pm
Probably been answered dozens of times: Does altering the popcap in init.txt require a re-embark or just a relaunch of the game?
Just a relaunch, thankfully.
Post by: Asmodeous on March 20, 2010, 01:50:34 pm
Probably been answered dozens of times: Does altering the popcap in init.txt require a re-embark or just a relaunch of the game?
Just a relaunch, thankfully.
Thank Armok for the moments he decides to be merciful. . . ;)
Thanks for the quick response.
Post by: nil on March 20, 2010, 02:35:36 pm
Say I wanted to mod axes to do half slashing and half bludgeoning damage. Would this work right?If I had to guess I'd say this won't work; usually in the RAWS when you have a double line it either picks the last one or picks randomly. It's definitely worth a shot, though, and you just might discover something new.
(ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_BATTLE)
(NAME:battle axe:battle axes)
(DAMAGE:55:SLASH)
(DAMAGE:55:BLUDGEON)
(WEIGHT:80)
(SKILL:AXE)
(TWO_HANDED:4)
(MINIMUM_SIZE:4)
(MATERIAL_SIZE:4)
The parentheses would be replaced with brackets, of course.
Also, would the lower damage values make the weapon less effective? I want to add the additional damage type without actually making axes stronger.
Post by: Bauglir on March 20, 2010, 03:49:04 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 20, 2010, 06:27:56 pm
If you want, you can later 'hide' a tile with some app (maybe dtil) which will cause the announcement and summon the king.
Post by: Sutremaine on March 20, 2010, 06:47:35 pm
Another idea is to find out where the clownite and big top are, and then designate the area in such a way that you dig around it all until you're ready.
Mostly I'm just suggesting those because I find a Revealed map to be ugly as sin. :)
Post by: Bauglir on March 20, 2010, 07:37:43 pm
Post by: Randomone on March 20, 2010, 07:38:14 pm
Post by: The Architect on March 20, 2010, 08:43:38 pm
It's definitely something I have never heard of, and I'm quite certain that all dwarves die when you abandon.
Post by: Malicus on March 20, 2010, 08:45:00 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 20, 2010, 08:49:05 pm
It's definitely something I have never heard of, and I'm quite certain that all dwarves die when you abandon.
They most certainly do not die when you abandon. If you abandon while under siege, they all die, but not during normal abandons. You can read about their flight from your fortress in Legends.
After abandonment, your dwarves form a migratory group. They may settle at another site after a bit of wandering.
If your fortress was a mountainhome, I don't know if your dwarves stick around there. From what I've heard, the king becomes the leader of the migratory group, but I don't know what happens after.
Post by: The Architect on March 20, 2010, 08:58:51 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on March 20, 2010, 09:25:52 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 20, 2010, 09:54:39 pm
I've been ordering my cook to cook some easy meals, but he's made only a few hundred (as opposed to the thousand drinks my brewer has probably made) and has barely leveled. All his cook easy meal - repeat orders get canceled quite quickly; it's usually because the job item was lost or destroyed. One time it was because he needed two unrotten cookable items, even though we were swimming in booze. What's going on?
I don't know about the last thing, refusing to cook the booze, unless you disabled the cooking of the boozes in the Kitchen menu and forgot.
The "job item was lost or destroyed" happens to me all the time. I think dwarves are eating the ingredients. Putting the kitchen and ingredients far out of the way may help prevent that. Even better is to cook uneatable items, like dwarven syrup.
Post by: Cheddarius on March 20, 2010, 10:15:44 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 20, 2010, 10:40:05 pm
Just realized something odd. I think my cook refuses to prepare a lavish meal if there aren't four different ingredients available. Seems odd since they often use the same ingredient four times. Maybe I'm just mistaken.
Post by: Cheddarius on March 20, 2010, 10:58:17 pm
Post by: assimilateur on March 20, 2010, 11:02:14 pm
Speaking of weird, I've recently messed around a bit with d19, which was my first distribution of DF without Mayday's modifications. I've long ago read that being able to green- or red-light all types of stone wasn't supposed to be possible in vanilla, but here I'm doing just that in d19. Has this feature been included recently, or am I missing something?
Post by: Cheddarius on March 20, 2010, 11:11:34 pm
Post by: assimilateur on March 20, 2010, 11:29:36 pm
I recommend using mainly dwarven syrup and/or quarry bush leaves for prepared meals. As long as you have adequate surpluses of barrels or bags respectively, it requires little micromanagement. Also, unless you're playing with the economy on and need cheap food, I recommend only cooking lavish meals. Each serving (not to mention the whole stack, obviously) is more valuable and the stacks are more compact, meaning you'll fit far more lavish meals than easy ones in a given stockpile.
Post by: Cheddarius on March 20, 2010, 11:31:38 pm
Post by: Particleman on March 20, 2010, 11:59:15 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 21, 2010, 12:36:44 am
That's either some sort of weird-ass glitch, or you're missing something (like the fact that you might be running low on ingredients to the point that your cook is having trouble scraping together four untasked stacks).
Huh, you're right. I tested just now and I was mistaken, I made roasts just fine with only one type of ingredient (delicious strawberry wine) available. Sorry about that Cheddarius!
Post by: assimilateur on March 21, 2010, 12:54:55 am
So is there a way to make a weapon do two types of damage without increasing the damage it does in total?
Nobody seems to have any idea, but if you modded a weapon type as you proposed earlier, you might be able test that in adventure mode. For all I know, you might not even get any meaningful results, but that's probably better than waiting idly for someone to come up with something.
I tested just now and I was mistaken, I made roasts just fine with only one type of ingredient (delicious strawberry wine) available.
Yeah, it pretty much must have been like that, because I've never experienced any persistent problems with cooking out of homogeneous ingredients and could have produced screen shots of roasts made entirely out of syrup as evidence. Your problem was most likely caused by an intermittent shortage of non-tasked ingredients, as I believe has been mentioned earlier.
Post by: Torpid on March 21, 2010, 01:57:00 am
Any ideas as to what was going on? Just a random fight between two dwarves? Never seen anything like that, but this is only my 4th or 5th fortress.
Post by: Jim Groovester on March 21, 2010, 02:01:50 am
They might've been trapped behind a bit of masonry that you later undid. That's a pretty frequent cause for mysterious starvation.
Post by: Cheddarius on March 21, 2010, 02:17:08 am
Post by: o_O[WTFace] on March 21, 2010, 04:49:22 am
Speaking of weird, I've recently messed around a bit with d19, which was my first distribution of DF without Mayday's modifications.
Mayday's comes with catmouth and the all stones economic mod, which lets you red/green all stone types by making a fake reaction that references them.
Post by: assimilateur on March 21, 2010, 11:57:36 am
Speaking of weird, I've recently messed around a bit with d19, which was my first distribution of DF without Mayday's modifications.
Mayday's comes with catmouth and the all stones economic mod, which lets you red/green all stone types by making a fake reaction that references them.
Which is why I considered it weird that my supposedly vanilla distribution of d19 listed all types of stone in my z->stones menu, even though I've read that it would only do so for flux and ores (if I even remember that correctly).
Post by: Rolan7 on March 21, 2010, 01:03:18 pm
Speaking of weird, I've recently messed around a bit with d19, which was my first distribution of DF without Mayday's modifications. I've long ago read that being able to green- or red-light all types of stone wasn't supposed to be possible in vanilla, but here I'm doing just that in d19. Has this feature been included recently, or am I missing something?
It's not been included, I'm positive. I download and ran d19 (I use d16) and started up a fortress, and only the normal economic stones were available in the economic stones list. I also checked the raws and there was no CAT_MOUTH body part, so the cat-mouth glitch hasn't been fixed either. This matches the thread, which suggests that there have been no gameplay changes, though I wasn't sure fixing the cat-mouth glitch would count as a gameplay change exactly.
Are you sure you unzipped to a seperate folder? I haven't used Mayday's version, but if it installed a shortcut or something you shouldn't use that anymore. That's all I can think of.
Edit: I only tried the windows version, in case that matters.
Post by: assimilateur on March 21, 2010, 01:07:24 pm
EDIT:
I figured it out now. In fact, it was so obvious that I'm embarrassed it took me so long.
It didn't occur to me that this stone mod was in the raws, and I've imported said raws from an earlier version in order to use my own modifications.
Post by: DFPongo on March 21, 2010, 01:27:13 pm
Post by: yinyang107 on March 21, 2010, 03:46:59 pm
My own question: does giving a room a high ceiling via channeling or ramps increase its quality?
Post by: Bauglir on March 21, 2010, 04:09:19 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 21, 2010, 04:15:12 pm
Although if they can, that's potentially a lot of fun!
My own question: does giving a room a high ceiling via channeling or ramps increase its quality?
No, only the floors and walls are counted, and rooms can't go up Z-levels. High ceilings can look great in visualizers though (:
Post by: yinyang107 on March 21, 2010, 04:19:32 pm
Wait a sec - it's in a cage trap. Does that make a difference?
Post by: assimilateur on March 21, 2010, 04:26:30 pm
Hmm. I'm confused now. I have a dragon in a cage, and when I tried to move him my animal trainer was set on fire.
Wait a sec - it's in a cage trap. Does that make a difference?
Did you try to move your dragon from its current cage to another? Transferring wild animals between cages is liable to end in them escaping.
Post by: yinyang107 on March 21, 2010, 05:26:52 pm
Post by: assimilateur on March 21, 2010, 05:30:36 pm
Yeah, I did. I didn't think it escaped, but maybe it was just immediately trapped in another trap. After all, there were like ten in the area.
That's most likely what happened, unless we're both missing something here.
Should I build its current cage next to the one I wanna move it to, then move it?
EDIT: Instead, do it as described by The Architect.
Post by: The Architect on March 21, 2010, 07:14:11 pm
Post by: lynd on March 22, 2010, 03:27:32 am
But now all my dwarfs stopped hauling items. Workshops are full, tried creating new stockpiles (both custom and bars/blocks/gems etc), tried deleting old ones... Still nothing. Ofc all hauling jobs are enabled, all other disabled, and the smug little bastards just sit there with that "No job" face :-\
Orders menu (o) says gather on everything, I don't have any hidden rocks blocking the place, nothing is forbidden (as far as I know... didn't use it yet), there is a clear path between items and destination.
And it only happens to items: whenever I create a food or rock stockpile, suddenly all of them go all hi-ho about hauling everything they can. But if I make something for items (like bars or shells or finished goods) then at most one will come to put an empty bin, and it's back to loafing at the dining hall :-\
Okay, what did I miss? Or did my using Dwarf Therapist mix something up?
Post by: lynd on March 22, 2010, 07:10:23 am
After that cleaning up my fort took quite a while ;)
Post by: Torpid on March 22, 2010, 05:48:06 pm
Also, how do you go about building and using a big z-level drop to kill prisoners? I'm looking for a more efficient way of processing these goblins, setting up the arena doesn't kill them fast enough due to the long setup time for my mechanics.
Post by: Malicus on March 22, 2010, 05:56:44 pm
So I think I set up too many cage traps in my current fort, because I have more goblins than I know what to do with. Currently I've been using them in an arena to do some live training for my wrestling squads, but I can't seem to disarm them. I did the mass designate dump with d -> b -> d and then look and each cage and press d to not dump the cage itself, just like the wiki said, but my dwarves don't seem to be doing anything to the cages, because when I kill the goblins they leave all kinds of weapons and clothes behind. Am I missing something?
Have you created a garbage dump zone? Press 'i', draw a zone somewhere, then press 'g' to turn it to a garbage dump zone. Dwarves will only dump items to such a zone, and they won't dump items at all if there is not a garbage dump zone.
Post by: DFPongo on March 22, 2010, 06:52:46 pm
Post by: The Architect on March 22, 2010, 10:02:51 pm
The basics
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Marksman#Known_issues
Likely causes for your problem
I hope you don't feel shortchanged, but by directing you to an easily available and easily found prewritten answer, a question-answerer saves themselves many hours over a period of months.
The wiki isn't perfect, but in this case as in most others it can provide an extremely detailed explanation of all possible marksman problems when properly used.
Post by: Cheddarius on March 22, 2010, 11:01:38 pm
Post by: Odd!x on March 22, 2010, 11:42:42 pm
Post by: DFPongo on March 23, 2010, 01:45:47 am
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Sparring#Target_Practice
The basics
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Marksman#Known_issues
Likely causes for your problem
I hope you don't feel shortchanged, but by directing you to an easily available and easily found prewritten answer, a question-answerer saves themselves many hours over a period of months.
The wiki isn't perfect, but in this case as in most others it can provide an extremely detailed explanation of all possible marksman problems when properly used.
I do appreciate it. And I do look at the wiki a great deal.
All I can think of is that changing weapons in the military menu didn't drop the weapons they had. Of course, I thought it was to do with being legendary champions and looked there.
I am sure you appreciate that the game usually doesn't tell you why something is not happening, and often doesn't really tell you how to accomplish something, an obscure design and bugs on top, makes for some interesting problem solving.
I just recruited two miners as crossbowmen, and all my stone and wood bolts and my existing range worked fine for them. Now I have 1/5 of my 25 adult dwarves under arms, and it is going ok.
Post by: kendo on March 23, 2010, 10:07:43 am
Post by: DFPongo on March 23, 2010, 10:12:19 am
Post by: Particleman on March 23, 2010, 01:52:48 pm
Do dwarfs get bored? Do they get bad thoughts from doing nothing?
Not that I know of.... If they don't have anything to do they'll hang out at a meeting area (or thier rooms, if there are no meeting areas) and talk to each other which is generally bad (they'll make friends, and the death of a friend can very easily lead to a tantrum. When you've got a dozen dwarves tantruming at once...)
So, yeah, it's best to keep thembusy as much as you can. Preferably this would involve traning them in a useful skill, but there are only so many useful skill, so in most forts, by default, they become seige or pump operators.
If nothing else, you can have them shuffle the stockpiles (set food stockpile 1 to take from stockpile 2, set 2 to take from 3, and set 3 to take from 1. They'll carry stuff back and forth endlessly) just to keep them busy.
Post by: Sphalerite on March 23, 2010, 03:09:12 pm
Post by: kendo on March 23, 2010, 05:42:35 pm
Post by: yinyang107 on March 23, 2010, 06:43:58 pm
Post by: Sphalerite on March 23, 2010, 07:01:43 pm
If I drain a pool with fish in it, what happens to the fish? I'm talking fish I can actually see swimming around.Air-drown and die, although vermin-size fish might teleport out before the water goes away. Actual creature fish that can't teleport will die.
Post by: assimilateur on March 23, 2010, 08:47:53 pm
Dwarves can eventually become upset at "the lack of work last season". This can lead to them attending meetings with your mayor, who will then mandate jobs of a specific type to be done.
Last time I've read about this, it was claimed this was only an economic feature. Do you know whether this will happen with a disabled economy? I don't think I've ever seen dwarves complain about a lack of work, but then again I usually have a shortage of manpower.
Post by: Cheddarius on March 24, 2010, 12:54:32 am
This is a block of obsidian.
In the block is an elf. The elf is screaming.
Or something?
Post by: Flaede on March 24, 2010, 01:41:46 am
What does "preserved" mean in the context of obsidian freezing? Would that mean something like:
This is a block of obsidian.
In the block is an elf. The elf is screaming.
Or something?
no. as in if you mine out the block you discover the stuff.
bones, clothes, weapons, etc.
it's fun (also often Fun) when used with eternally freezing water on glaciers to get one frozenwater block containing 100s of "ice" stones.
Post by: sjaakwortel on March 24, 2010, 02:40:22 pm
Post by: Poot on March 25, 2010, 06:44:44 am
Post by: NecroRebel on March 25, 2010, 12:06:29 pm
Oh hey again guys. Last thread I asked about making my dwarves cannibals; I was told to edit them to EAT_SAPIANT_OTHER and EAT_SAPIANT_KILL, but still I don't see the little guys roasting goblins or other dwarves. What's the deal?Whoever told you to do that was simply mistaken, probably due to having never tried it themselves. While having those ethics at ACCEPTABLE does make your people eat defeated enemies in worldgen, it doesn't change fortress mode. You cannot, at present, butcher sapient creatures without stupid workarounds that just aren't very good at all.
Post by: BitLooter on March 25, 2010, 05:59:15 pm
Having never built an ocean fort before, I want to make sure I pick a good site to embark on before doing this. So what should I look for during worldgen/embarkment to ensure I'll find mermaids there?
Also, if I were to build glass tubes filled with magma underwater, would the mermaids see it and avoid it?
Post by: assimilateur on March 25, 2010, 07:39:47 pm
Having never built an ocean fort before, I want to make sure I pick a good site to embark on before doing this. So what should I look for when choosing my site to ensure I'll find mermaids there?
As far as I know, they live in good oceans.
Also, if I were to build glass tubes filled with magma underwater, would the mermaids see it and avoid it?
In short, no. That makes no sense whatsoever, in current AI-terms (though it would, of course, make sense in real life), at least the way I understand this.
I've just started a new game, at last. I've modded my civilizations to have non-overlapping active seasons. Because the way sieges and trading currently work, having several sieges per year (I'm currently using 7 hostile civs) effectively keeps me from trading unless I'm incredibly lucky. Accordingly, I gave all my hostiles active seasons other than autumn so I could trade in peace.
It's now early autumn, and guess what? A vile force of fucking darkness has arrived. What do I do to make this goddamn game actually use my active season settings, instead of overriding them willy nilly?
Currently, the only solution seems to be disabling invaders altogether for the years you want to do some trading, which is a half-measure at best. Not to mention that it doesn't work as reliably as I expected (last time I tried, I still got invaders in the year following my disabling of them). Of course the mere fact that traders, who only come around once a year, will completely bypass your location when you're being attacked, instead of waiting somewhere safe is ridiculous.
Post by: NecroRebel on March 25, 2010, 08:06:26 pm
I've had a similar problem myself. In my utter hatred of ambushes, I'm playing RA with all the invader races modded so that they won't ambush, thus I get sieged more or less constantly. I, too, attempted to remove the enemies' ability to come during the season my traders were supposed to show up without success. However, while I have not yet tested it at all, I think I may have thought of a solution.
The orc mod's orcs siege only during summer and winter and IIRC don't siege any other time. They have only the summer and winter active season tokens. I suspect that the "siege any time" bug comes from having two active seasons back-to-back. As I said, I've not tried this, but intend to start a new fort with such settings shortly. If my theory is correct, making sure the enemy has no more than 2 active seasons, and those not adjacent to one another, should work. Testing remains, and it may well be a forlorn hope, but it could work.
Post by: assimilateur on March 25, 2010, 08:31:46 pm
This active season shit is really gamey if you think about it. I'm thinking about throwing in the towel and making all my siegers active year-round and either do the same for my dwarves (the only race I trade with), or take the easy way out and disable invaders for the first 2-3 years after embark.
I only really need to trade in the beginning (and even the word "need" is stretching it), and it even kinda makes sense that they wouldn't be able to track you - or at least not consider you a worthy target - shortly after embarking. Increasing my progress_triggers won't cut it, as I'm afraid that would postpone my sieges until my population is higher than it's ever going to be (I'm thinking low fifties to sixties, unless this new d19_2 version turns out to run smoother than expected).
Post by: LoneJedi7 on March 25, 2010, 09:08:51 pm
anyone know what do do?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 25, 2010, 09:11:28 pm
Post by: geoduck on March 25, 2010, 10:02:53 pm
i have a question, what exactly do my nobles want when they demand "item in bedroom", it seems that no matter what random junk i put in their room they arent satisfied.
anyone know what do do?
It's a known glitch. There's nothing you can do. Fortunately, they don't call for beating if this sort of demand isn't met.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on March 26, 2010, 08:34:44 am
Post by: Randomone on March 26, 2010, 08:59:53 am
Sparring question, what type of weapon is recommended for sparring but my dwarves can stay wielding while training incase of emergency?Just give them their combat weaponry. Sure, half your military is injured, but it makes the survivors that much stronger! ;D
Really though, just give them a weapon made out of something strong, but low quality. Some dwarfs still get injured, but they recover.
Post by: ancistrus on March 26, 2010, 10:40:13 am
Post by: Vayre on March 26, 2010, 11:05:09 am
Whats causing this? An is there any way to fix it?
Post by: Rolan7 on March 26, 2010, 11:19:19 am
I noticed that I have (for the first time) two elven civilizations visible on civilization screen. Is this normal? Has something unexpected happenned? Ive never seen this in any of my ..20(?) games.
Strange, I usually get a few civilizations for each race, including elves. Do you usually get 2-3 dwarven civilizations? Are you playing tiny or pocket worlds? Any major mods like Dig Deeper or Orcs?
Try checking the historical maps section of legends. Maybe most of the elven civilizations getting killed in world-gen.
Post by: SquidgyB on March 26, 2010, 01:19:37 pm
Is there any item/construction (springing to mind are grates, horizontal bars, etc) that I can place on top of the magma area that allows water to pass through, will inhibit tower cap growth, can support the constructions around it and not get mined out/destroyed by up ramps?
Constructed (not carved out of rock) fortifications maybe?
e: add to the list of wants - will allow a dug ramp from below to remove the floor on the Z-level above created by the obsidian "block"
Post by: Sutremaine on March 26, 2010, 02:08:42 pm
Whats causing this? An is there any way to fix it?Possibly they consider their rooms to be nicer than the meeting area. I have multiple meeting areas spread over a dining room that's Royal despite being shared (and has multiple artifacts built within its boundaries, so it's not just tables and chairs to look at), and still dwarves have a 50/50 chance of lurking in their rooms despite said rooms topping out at Decent.
Re: obsidian farming
Why are you making obsidian when you can afford to leave it unmined long enough for tower caps to grow? I'd give the fortification idea a try though, as you only need to build one in your farm to test it.
Although reading your post again, I'm curious about your exact setup. You seem to be using the water-dropping method, but that normally leaves no water hanging around afterwards.
Post by: SquidgyB on March 26, 2010, 02:31:17 pm
I'm not measuring the water carefully... I use a setup where there are deep channels around three edges of the factory, which drop down several levels, with some function rooms down the bootom where dwarfs get the occasional waterfall mist from the excess pouring over the edges. The reason I asked here was because I was at work (I was curious if anyone knew offhand
). I'm about to do some Bez style science to find out :)
e: Ok... Fortifications don't allow the water to touch the magma below, so we have tiles of magma left while around the anywhere else the magma was cooled into obsidian.
Floor bars and grates allow the water to pass through, but don't support surrounding constructions - so I could only build around the edge of the factory, unless it was based on 2-tile wide channels rather than a wide area.
ramping works from beneath bars and grates, but the support issue remains.
Hmmm, what to test next?
e: Bugger. On second looks the cavern floor remains beneath the bars and grates, so it'd be useless for the next obsidian production run anyway. I guess I'll just have to keep an eye on the dwarfs while they ramp the obsidian away :(
Post by: nil on March 26, 2010, 04:10:00 pm
In a fort im running now My dwarves have become antisocial for some reason, rather than use that nice Meeting area OR the meeting hall they prefer to lurk in their rooms.Make sure you haven't accidentally forbidden the piece of furniture your rooms are designated from, or turned your meeting area to a non-active status.
Whats causing this? An is there any way to fix it?
I think particularly antisocial dwarves are known to avoid even properly designated meeting areas, but that's a stable personality thing; it shouldn't have changed.
Post by: Sutremaine on March 26, 2010, 10:19:30 pm
True, tower caps usually take a long time to grow, but a few times I've seen them sprout pretty much immediately after dousing the magma, and it's caught me out once or twice after designating the rock to be mined, and squished the miners in question.Odd. You must just have really bad luck.
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I guess I'll just have to keep an eye on the dwarfs while they ramp the obsidian away :(Another option is to dig stairs and then channel them from above, or maybe just dig out the level with the up stairs (I believe that's the one that'll produce rocks). You could probably just leave the down stair level alone after the first round of farming, as stairs are definitely water-permeable.
Post by: Randomone on March 27, 2010, 11:06:38 am
???
Help?
Post by: assimilateur on March 27, 2010, 04:02:38 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on March 27, 2010, 04:51:13 pm
I'm having a problem with my dwarfs not using all my bins. Both my craft and bar stockpile are overflowing, yet they only have around 4 or 5 bins in them, even though there are 7 perfectly good bins nearby. I tried taking away my bin-only stockpiles, yet my dwarfs still won't use them. My barrels are used fine, and even when I have 55 idel hauler dwarfs, nothing happens.
???
Help?
If you select the stockpile with q, does it have 0 "bins allowed"? I don't remember the exact layout, but you can control how many bins are allowed and how many barrels are allowed. If that isn't it check the bins you want to use with k to see if they're tasked or forbidden or something, and definitely empty.
Post by: assimilateur on March 28, 2010, 01:07:01 am
I thought it was pretty straightforward, so I dug an underground channel to my brook, slapped together two manually operated pumps, but whatever I dump into the flowing water doesn't move an inch. I thought this might have to do with weight, that water wouldn't move stones, so I dumped some logs and they won't move either.
Post by: Shade-o on March 28, 2010, 01:50:38 am
Post by: The Architect on March 28, 2010, 01:58:55 am
In the end: flushing items is a fun little gimmicky mechanic, but you should just use an "atom smasher", aka garbage compactor if practicality is your goal.
Post by: assimilateur on March 28, 2010, 02:11:21 am
Oh, and I didn't bother with this for practical reason, as my bottomless pit is close enough to my fort's main shaft that it would even make sense to dump shit directly in it.
Regarding atom-smashing, I think we've already talked about this. I'm not convinced about the realism of putting thousands of stones under a bridge and pulverizing them, though I guess hooking it up to a water-based repeater would make sense, so it would only smash small amounts of rock at a time.
Do you know of a way of avoiding phantom globs when magma-dumping rocks? I mean, would dumping stuff directly into the pipe be clean? Or what about pumping the magma dump around so the depth didn't remain constant?
EDIT:
1. Changing the z-level of where my water gets pumped didn't do anything. Any obsidian I've dumped, or am still dumping, won't move an inch.
2. Turns out, even the stuff that did get "flushed" didn't get disposed of properly. Looking at my stocks, I've seen a {withered pig tail} F that I had dumped earlier and thought had already disappeared down the bottomless pit. It's still being tracked in my stocks, and when I zoom in on it, I'm being shown its former location without it physically being there. This is fucking ridiculous.
Post by: Garrie on March 28, 2010, 04:00:08 am
I'm having a problem with my dwarfs not using all my bins. ???I sometimes do this by micromanaging:
Help?
Set up a stockpile (say 3x3) set to "furniture - block all - allow bins".
When it is full of bins, disable furniture and turn on "craft" (or whatever you wanted in the bins), with all 9 (however many) spaces permitted for bins.
Usually my problem is, when I first set up a stockpile next to an over-flowing workshop, my item haulers come and scatter 1 piece of crap every 10 x 10 square. Now, I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure I can fit more than one cup in a 10' x 10 ' square...
Post by: Randomone on March 28, 2010, 08:28:48 am
Post by: Flaede on March 28, 2010, 03:37:56 pm
Thanks for the advice on the bin problem. :) I think it might be a bug, because when I produced more bins the bins lying aroung got moved, but the new bins stayed in the workshop.(because my bin-storage stockpiles were still down.) Now, my only fear is that the dwarfs have moved the bins BACK to the workshop, which would be a much bigger problem.
Likely they're Destined for somewhere, some bin-accepting stockpile, probably, but cannot be moved there due to some silly reason like a cup taking up the space.
Post by: ancistrus on March 28, 2010, 03:57:52 pm
Post by: The Architect on March 28, 2010, 05:19:30 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on March 28, 2010, 05:44:07 pm
Post by: assimilateur on March 28, 2010, 05:47:58 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on March 28, 2010, 06:12:27 pm
Post by: The Architect on March 28, 2010, 06:26:13 pm
Blocks should require some form of advanced hauling (like a cart or pallet) and probably will in future. Right now, your dwarf just wraps his stubby arms around a large pile of squared loose stones and carries them.
Post by: Cheddarius on March 28, 2010, 06:31:50 pm
Post by: The Architect on March 28, 2010, 07:17:24 pm
Post by: Josiwe on March 28, 2010, 10:57:52 pm
Post by: The Architect on March 28, 2010, 11:21:49 pm
Shields don't affect training, and the only possible answer (besides a never-before-seen bug) is that you lacked one of the vital elements for archery training: A valid target, correct orders, and proper equipment. Most likely you didn't have valid ammunition for training.
Toady is allowing you to designate ammunition of any material for training in the new version to prevent this confusion/hangup.
Post by: Garrie on March 29, 2010, 05:16:03 am
An absolutely ecstatic dwarf just attended a meeting with mayor (not manager). She yelled at him and got a little happier. Wiki implies this should not happen. Thoughts?Apparently there was something that had annoyed that dwarf.
The Mayor's main "job" is being complained to about things like, a lack of work last season. The dwarf who complained to the mayor should have a happy thought like "... has complained about ..." somewhere. That should at least explain what they complained about.
Post by: assimilateur on March 29, 2010, 05:48:14 am
Post by: nil on March 29, 2010, 11:10:15 am
So you're saying that even when they're generally ecstatic, dwarves are going to bust the mayor's balls over things like a lack of chairs?The main and perhaps only reason regular dwarves will meet with the mayor is lack of work. Since lack of work is only associated with one occasionally-occurring bad thought plus the possibility of not being able to afford a bedroom, it's pretty easy for a generally very happy dwarf to want to meet with the mayor.
Can recruits train xbow with shields? I had some recruits set to xbow, leather, shield, and they refused to practice at my archery range. I read somewhere that there are some bugs with marksdwarves and holding secondary items, but all they had were shields. So I set them to remove shields, and they started practicing immediately. Then they leveled up from recruit to marksdwarf, and I reequipped the shields. After leveling up they continued to train, even with shields equipped.According to the wiki (and I can't remember seeing anything in my personal experience that conflicts with this) dwarves with shields need quivers to carry ammo. Dwarves don't practice with the bolts in their quivers, but I wouldn't be surprised if it still applied. Otherwise it's probably something around the lines that Architect was talking about, or even random chance.
Post by: assimilateur on March 29, 2010, 12:10:18 pm
The main and perhaps only reason regular dwarves will meet with the mayor is lack of work. Since lack of work is only associated with one occasionally-occurring bad thought plus the possibility of not being able to afford a bedroom, it's pretty easy for a generally very happy dwarf to want to meet with the mayor.
That does make sense, but I was wondering about the odds of seeing dwarves complain to the mayor about less serious stuff, since I don't play with an economy or even a population high enough to get a tax collector.
Post by: ancistrus on March 29, 2010, 01:37:51 pm
The main and perhaps only reason regular dwarves will meet with the mayor is lack of work. Since lack of work is only associated with one occasionally-occurring bad thought plus the possibility of not being able to afford a bedroom, it's pretty easy for a generally very happy dwarf to want to meet with the mayor.
That does make sense, but I was wondering about the odds of seeing dwarves complain to the mayor about less serious stuff, since I don't play with an economy or even a population high enough to get a tax collector.
"Non-legendary dwarves, if left idle for long period of time, will periodically meet with the manager to complain about job scarcity. "
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Meeting
That is what I was refering to. The only way I could explain it is that the dwarf waited for a meeting so long that he finally got happy. Naturally, I fear that some important feature has evaded my notice.
edit:economy is not activated, and the mayor is not a manager.
Post by: assimilateur on March 29, 2010, 01:52:54 pm
Post by: Pineapple Skitter on March 31, 2010, 11:15:42 am
Post by: The Architect on April 01, 2010, 12:41:20 am
There's no such thing as "briny infertile mud".
Post by: shadowclasper on April 01, 2010, 01:52:49 am
I embarked, and literally dug down and got everybody underground ASAP
but people still died of cold... why?
Post by: Rolan7 on April 01, 2010, 01:58:54 am
Alrighty... trying to figure out how tundra biomes work.
I embarked, and literally dug down and got everybody underground ASAP
but people still died of cold... why?
Odd, I've had migrants hang out outside my glacier fort for months, they died of thirst not cold. I think temperature was on. Still, depending on world-gen I imagine a place could get *very* cold.
Try turning temperature off, that may allow you to get the dwarves inside, then you can turn it on again if you like. Dwarves indoors don't suffer from cold that I know of.
Post by: assimilateur on April 01, 2010, 02:02:54 am
Dwarves indoors don't suffer from cold that I know of.
Way I understood him, his dwarves froze despite getting indoors. Regardless, turning temperature off is probably the only thing he can do, as you've said.
Post by: shadowclasper on April 01, 2010, 02:03:31 am
They WERE UNDERGROUND.
I even had them moving the stuff UNDERGOUND really fast. (literally, waves. collect 8 stacks of food, come back, wait for a while, go back, get more, etc.etc.
refuse RIGHT outside. It was impossible for anybody to be outside for longer than a few moments. And they survived for a GOOD LONG time (they just never seemed to warm up I guess >_>;)
does this rule even apply if you dig INTO the ice?
Post by: Micro102 on April 01, 2010, 05:21:23 pm
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Post by: Diablous on April 01, 2010, 08:27:44 pm
Anyone know how the TEACHING skill is used by the dwarves?Military dwarves can teach other military dwarves military skills now.
Post by: Micro102 on April 01, 2010, 08:34:50 pm
How do you assign dwarves s military int he new version? I assigned one to a squad int he (M) military menu but he is still in civilian mode.
Seems like a fairly easy question, anyone know?
Post by: Lofn on April 02, 2010, 11:56:04 am
Post by: lastofthelight on April 02, 2010, 12:08:40 pm
Post by: Lofn on April 02, 2010, 03:10:38 pm
Post by: Micro102 on April 02, 2010, 03:24:50 pm
Once you have a squad creatured, you hitthen issue orders as specified. When they're not active they revert to their civilian roles.
What?
Post by: Lofn on April 02, 2010, 04:51:27 pm
Once you have a squad creatured, you hitthen issue orders as specified. When they're not active they revert to their civilian roles.
What?
Long story short, it's very very late and I'm an idiot. I fixed the original post.
Post by: Micro102 on April 02, 2010, 05:02:34 pm
Post by: Lofn on April 02, 2010, 05:42:52 pm
Post by: Micro102 on April 02, 2010, 06:43:16 pm
Post by: Thndr on April 02, 2010, 09:46:14 pm
Put it to a number to less than the dwarves you have in the squad.
Post by: Micro102 on April 03, 2010, 04:34:26 pm
Post by: ancistrus on April 03, 2010, 06:34:57 pm
Post by: Ashery on April 03, 2010, 06:59:19 pm
But 1 dwarf can't train by himself can he?
They can do individual drills.
Post by: se5a on April 03, 2010, 07:32:34 pm
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Military
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Military/Guide
If you've only got a couple of dwarfs in your military, consider setting them to train for a few months, then do nothing for a few. that should stop them training and get them to go eat,drink,sleep.
Post by: Josiwe on April 04, 2010, 09:00:36 pm
I have two legendary wrestlers. They have decent armor user skill and level ~8ish shield skill. I gave them silver war hammers and chainmail and set them to training. They now have around ~10 hammer skill and they can beat up goblins pretty good.
My question is this: is it safe / at what point is it safe to equip them with high quality steel war hammers? They're killing ok with the silver ones but I want them to have better weapons. I'm worried however that if they go and spar with steel hammers they will kill each other.
I guess the alternative is to not let them spar, so would that mean re-equipping them every time they go on/off duty? Or just deactivating them when they aren't on duty?
Post by: wrajjt on April 04, 2010, 09:09:09 pm
d40 question.
I have two legendary wrestlers. They have decent armor user skill and level ~8ish shield skill. I gave them silver war hammers and chainmail and set them to training. They now have around ~10 hammer skill and they can beat up goblins pretty good.
My question is this: is it safe / at what point is it safe to equip them with high quality steel war hammers? They're killing ok with the silver ones but I want them to have better weapons. I'm worried however that if they go and spar with steel hammers they will kill each other.
I guess the alternative is to not let them spar, so would that mean re-equipping them every time they go on/off duty? Or just deactivating them when they aren't on duty?
Isnt this why there is wooden practice weapons ingame now? I've not yet explored the military screen, but can't you force your squad to switch to practice weapons while sparring?
Post by: Josiwe on April 04, 2010, 09:13:21 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 04, 2010, 09:19:39 pm
d40 question.
I have two legendary wrestlers. They have decent armor user skill and level ~8ish shield skill. I gave them silver war hammers and chainmail and set them to training. They now have around ~10 hammer skill and they can beat up goblins pretty good.
My question is this: is it safe / at what point is it safe to equip them with high quality steel war hammers? They're killing ok with the silver ones but I want them to have better weapons. I'm worried however that if they go and spar with steel hammers they will kill each other.
I guess the alternative is to not let them spar, so would that mean re-equipping them every time they go on/off duty? Or just deactivating them when they aren't on duty?
If your dwarves have high quality steel armor, usually it's safe enough to switch them over to their combat weapons as soon as they reach legendary in wrestling.
With where your dwarves are at with their skill, there'll be no problem.
Post by: Josiwe on April 04, 2010, 09:23:23 pm
Post by: Ashery on April 04, 2010, 10:06:15 pm
d40 question.
I have two legendary wrestlers. They have decent armor user skill and level ~8ish shield skill. I gave them silver war hammers and chainmail and set them to training. They now have around ~10 hammer skill and they can beat up goblins pretty good.
My question is this: is it safe / at what point is it safe to equip them with high quality steel war hammers? They're killing ok with the silver ones but I want them to have better weapons. I'm worried however that if they go and spar with steel hammers they will kill each other.
I guess the alternative is to not let them spar, so would that mean re-equipping them every time they go on/off duty? Or just deactivating them when they aren't on duty?
If your dwarves have high quality steel armor, usually it's safe enough to switch them over to their combat weapons as soon as they reach legendary in wrestling.
With where your dwarves are at with their skill, there'll be no problem.
I never give my dwarves anything beyond a no quality silver war hammer unless they have a nerve injury. Superchamps massacre anything, regardless of the weapon they use.
Post by: assimilateur on April 06, 2010, 02:24:05 am
I am playing d40 until 2010 has some of the bugs worked out.
And here I thought I was the only one. I'm waiting for the merge of the OpenGL-related code, and the fact that I have a pretty nice fort going in d40 makes the wait easier to bear.
I never give my dwarves anything beyond a no quality silver war hammer unless they have a nerve injury.
As regards sparring safety, high-quality silver weapons are actually better. Sure, their damage potential is higher, but weapon quality affects effective weapon skill, and a higher skill means fewer accidents when sparring.
Post by: Shenanigans on April 06, 2010, 10:12:38 pm
I wanted to create some awesome swords for my training soldiers. a present for when they're good enough to be on duty proper.
But anyway, the problem arises with gems. because jewel encrusted swords are awesome, but i think nearly every time ive tried currant version or not, the jeweler always complains the items at hand are not improvable, i have tried to improve by stuffing or decorating with bone but it never changes it.
i use a seporate gemshop with a dump area and a lockable door to try to force him to encrust the right item. and even though i remember to unforbid .. the jeweler will either refuse or grab a useless nearby barrel..
Post by: geoduck on April 07, 2010, 12:17:37 am
This is something thats bothered me before.
I wanted to create some awesome swords for my training soldiers. a present for when they're good enough to be on duty proper.
But anyway, the problem arises with gems. because jewel encrusted swords are awesome, but i think nearly every time ive tried currant version or not, the jeweler always complains the items at hand are not improvable, i have tried to improve by stuffing or decorating with bone but it never changes it.
I don't know about the new version, but I'm pretty sure you can only encrust furniture, finished goods or ammo. Not weapons.
Post by: assimilateur on April 07, 2010, 01:57:21 am
Here's a couple of d40-related questions of my own:
1. Do dwarves gain experience - and hence stats - after hitting legendary +5 in a given skill? The fact that in adventure mode it still counts your wrestling experience, even if you're way past l+5, seems to hint at that. It also seems to imply that you'd get more stats (I mean, more experience does seem to entail stat increases). The reason I am skeptical is that I seem to recall not seeing any stat increases in dwarves who hit a fey/secretive mood after already being l+5 in the relevant skill.
Sort of solved. Looking at the experience requirements for stat gains, it makes sense that a multi-legendary dwarf would require more than 20k (the amount gained via fey or secretive mood) for a stat gain.
2. How do material or item type preferences affect a dwarf's products? It's supposed to be a good thing if your armorsmith likes steel, right? I'm wondering about the specifics, though. Does it increase a dwarf's effective skill when working on a preferred material or item type? And if yes, how many levels do they gain? Do these levels stack with a skill that's already legendary+5 (i.e., the supposed maximum)? Do they stack with each other? As you can see, the wiki has left quite a few questions unanswered on this topic.
3. Each dwarf seems to admire one communal and one owned piece of furniture at a time. While disappointing from a role-playing perspective, this sort of good thought is overpowered enough as it is, so I guess that limit makes sense. The question remains whether higher item value supersedes lower value when determining what gets admired. The reason I'm asking is that I don't know if using cheaper furniture as "filler" is going to be counterproductive here. If a *200 table can get admired instead of a *2400 statue, then that would give me a good reason for only making furniture out of precious metals, which isn't always possible.
4. The "ghost glob" bug is supposed to be caused by fluid movement. Accordingly, would setting up a small magma reservoir that's always 7/7 avoid formation of such bugged globs?
Post by: Rolan7 on April 07, 2010, 10:20:41 am
Speaking of the new version, I'd like to propose keeping questions regarding it out of this thread. There's already a separate thread for DF2010-related "little questions", and things are bound to get chaotic if people don't use it, especially since some of us are still using legacy versions and asking questions accordingly.
Yeah, this is a good idea. The thread owner should mention this in the thread title.
Here's a couple of d40-related questions of my own:
1. Do dwarves gain experience - and hence stats - after hitting legendary +5 in a given skill? The fact that in adventure mode it still counts your wrestling experience, even if you're way past l+5, seems to hint at that. It also seems to imply that you'd get more stats (I mean, more experience does seem to entail stat increases). The reason I am skeptical is that I seem to recall not seeing any stat increases in dwarves who hit a fey/secretive mood after already being l+5 in the relevant skill.
Sort of solved. Looking at the experience requirements for stat gains, it makes sense that a multi-legendary dwarf would require more than 20k (the amount gained via fey or secretive mood) for a stat gain.
Yes, dwarves keep gaining experience and stats for doing a job they are legendary + 5 in. In many cases they gain experience faster, since they are doing the job faster. In this thread:
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=48319.0
I studied which jobs gave experience the fastest over several years.
Post by: assimilateur on April 07, 2010, 11:47:03 am
Post by: blue sam3 on April 07, 2010, 12:06:12 pm
Post by: Batista on April 07, 2010, 04:04:09 pm
One of the things I still haven't figured out is, how do I remove "clean" those pesky rocks from the floor.
My current fortress is in a mountain (no sand layers) and I want to build a few workshops and stockpiles, so,how do I remove those annoying rocks first?
Creating a huge stockpile and waiting for the dwarves (only 7 atm) to haul everything would take ages, there must be a quicker way
Post by: assimilateur on April 07, 2010, 04:22:45 pm
to haul everything would take ages, there must be a quicker way
There is no (significantly) quicker way.
First off, you shouldn't worry about those stones for the time being. In the long run it is better to get rid of most of them - leaving possibly a couple hundred for building purposes, but keeping in mind that you could instead always mine more - but when you're just starting out it's better to just leave them where they are. If you really can't stand looking at them, you can hide them (select the appropriate stone type in your stocks menu or mass-hide stones in a given area by pressing d-b-h) before it becomes feasible to dump them. Then once you get enough dwarves that you can assign 20-30 to hauling shit, dumping a couple hundred stones at a time isn't too much of a pain in the ass anymore.
The best ways to then get rid of those stones for good is to dump them in a chasm or under an atomsmasher, which is a raised bridge build on a floor used to utterly pulverize anything placed under it.
Post by: Batista on April 07, 2010, 04:29:43 pm
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mass-hide stones in a given area by pressing d-b-h
This did the trick, thank you.
EDIT: Another question, I've built a brigde, I linked it to a lever, the bridge is open, my dwarves are able to cross it, then I pull the lever the bridge disapears (I assume it closes) ,and my dorfs STILL cross it.
The bridge is above regular terrain, not water.
How do I fix this? Are my dorfs able to walk through matter THAT easily?
Post by: geoduck on April 07, 2010, 10:11:44 pm
EDIT: Another question, I've built a brigde, I linked it to a lever, the bridge is open, my dwarves are able to cross it, then I pull the lever the bridge disapears (I assume it closes) ,and my dorfs STILL cross it.
The bridge is above regular terrain, not water.
How do I fix this? Are my dorfs able to walk through matter THAT easily?
I believe the problem is that when you build a bridge, the default option is that it "retracts" instead of "raising". In the former case, it leaves the passage open. The latter creates a sealed door. The next time you build a bridge, look for a command that says "Raise Dir". Those keys will let you choose which way the bridge raises.
Post by: snus-mumrik on April 12, 2010, 11:55:13 am
- How do I enable announcements for any fight that starts?
I once got "Hydra is no longer enraged" and found that some
Thanks
Post by: Mr.Dwarf on April 15, 2010, 06:14:56 am
QuoteThis is more technical, but how can I increase the resolution and grid count properly?If you use the latest versions, you can:
1) mouse-drag the window edge to change its size.
2) use mouse wheel to zoom out.
3) press ctlr-F10 and use mouse wheel to zoom in (it changes modes)Well there is a way to know if there's NO underground features.There's plenty of trees on my embark site, yet no river, and it rarely rains..There's no way of knowing whether you have an underground river at your site unless you checked with the site finder on embark
Does this mean there SHOULD be an underground river somewhere?
Or will I just have to do without water?
Currently all the main features (except for rare magma pools in plains) are in mountain regions. So if you haven't got a mountain as a part of your embark rectangle, you don't have any water.
If you have a mountain tile or a few in your embark rectangle, the features like UG water/pool may be only under those tiles, so it limits the area of exploration drastically.
i tried all your methods to resize the window, and none of them worked.
EDIT:
apparently this is no longer a DF2010 thread. my apologies
Post by: RadGH on April 15, 2010, 06:32:17 am
If so, heres my first question. I made this really awesome prison with levers for each door and stuff. I remotely opened the cages containing trapped beasts and enemies. I opened the cages, and it worked fine.
Then, I went to grab some more of the caged beasts to put in their prison and of course my dwarves see the enemies, both disarmed and caged behind vertical bars. They run away in fear anyway, and cancel any orders I give them in that area.
Is there any way to flag an enemy as friendly, or something similar, so I can keep my prison? If not, I'll just send my archers in and clean it up. After messing it up first, of course.
Edit: Screenshot, the guys on the bottom-right are actually in cages. The rest wander around in their prison cells.
(http://radleygh.com/images/dwarfort_2010-105-04-28-19-23.png)
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Post by: Baron Of Hell on April 15, 2010, 07:39:28 am
I'm planning on making a bridge between the bottom of the pit and the top of the pit. I'm Hoping the bridge will block the line of sight to the monster below. Then I'll throw monsters on to the bridge and release it with a lever. Once the monsters falls down I'll active the bridge again hoping it will block line of sight so I can drop another monster.
Post by: LegitMacgyver on April 16, 2010, 08:18:12 am
How do I turn off migrants. I know I can embark on an island with water on all edges but I can't seem to generate a map with island small enough for that...
Please Help me!
Post by: Remalle on April 16, 2010, 03:21:05 pm
Post by: Smew on April 16, 2010, 03:43:47 pm
What happens if a hunter reaches great or legendary marksdwarfship (still playing 40d here)? Do they change profession to champion? If not, what happens if I draft my legendary marksdwarf hunter, will I be able to undraft him?You will be able to draft and undraft him UNLESS he levels up a skill while drafted, if that happens the game will recognize him as being legendary at a military skill and cause him to become a champion
Post by: Remalle on April 16, 2010, 04:16:11 pm
Post by: Duuvian on April 16, 2010, 04:57:03 pm
I have the same problem with my monster pit. I go to throw a monster into the pit the dwarf freaks out about the goblin 5 z levels down even though there is no way it can do anything.
I'm planning on making a bridge between the bottom of the pit and the top of the pit. I'm Hoping the bridge will block the line of sight to the monster below. Then I'll throw monsters on to the bridge and release it with a lever. Once the monsters falls down I'll active the bridge again hoping it will block line of sight so I can drop another monster.
you could try buildign a retractable bridge on a z level above the pit and below the ledge the monsters get tossed from. That way the monster sits on the bridge until it is retracted then fall in the pit without the dwarves being scared by the monsters in the pit because they can't see them.
Post by: Smew on April 16, 2010, 09:31:13 pm
So I'm safe if they're Leg+5, sweet.Not quite, they can still gain skill-ups after legendary+5, but it's been debated whether or not it matters after that point.
And towards Baron, a hatch cover should do the trick for you, the dwarves will open it to throw goblins through, but they won't get scared of what's below.
Post by: snus-mumrik on April 17, 2010, 03:30:24 pm
How do I turn off migrants.
Just set [POPULATION_CAP:5] in the init.txt file. You can even change it dynamically during the game if you want (Some say it's an exploit, some say it's migration policy)
Post by: jfkberdan on April 17, 2010, 04:45:29 pm
Why does my dwarves don't fill the murky pool with water?
I zoned it and assigned it as pit/pond.
I also have zoned the water source which is the brook.
I also have some buckets.
Post by: Samoorai on April 18, 2010, 05:45:45 am
Also, say I have a pump like this:
_PPDW
____W
_=floor
P=pump
D=down stair
W=wall
Will this pump work?
Post by: Rolan7 on April 18, 2010, 10:43:10 am
Will magma burn away wooden stairs?
Nope! All constructions are completely invincible, except against cave-ins and deconstructing dwarves. Also I suspect if you poured water on the magma-covered stairs, they would be destroyed as the obsidian formed. But the answer is no, they won't burn away (:
_PPDW
____W
_=floor
P=pump
D=down stair
W=wall
Will this pump work?
Good question. It ought to, since the down-stair represents a hole in the floor (which water definitely can flow through), but I don't know if it actually works.
Post by: Faden on April 18, 2010, 03:51:16 pm
All I can find is a "movies" option.
Post by: Rolan7 on April 18, 2010, 04:11:57 pm
How do you take pictures, like for the succession/community fort games?
All I can find is a "movies" option.
Just press the PrtScr or PrintScreen button on your keyboard while the game is up, then go into Paint or some other image program and hit ctrl-v to paste. The entire screenshot will be pasted in, and you can crop it if you want to.
Post by: Lofn on April 18, 2010, 04:38:23 pm
Post by: Vizx on April 18, 2010, 06:45:24 pm
Post by: Smew on April 18, 2010, 07:04:46 pm
'Champion' is a position now, I'm pretty sure your military dwarves won't be locked into a combat role anymore.note this is a thread for the last version, 40d. :)
I got a question...Hmm, did you make sure to set it as an "empty" pond?
Why does my dwarves don't fill the murky pool with water?
I zoned it and assigned it as pit/pond.
I also have zoned the water source which is the brook.
I also have some buckets.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on April 18, 2010, 07:06:47 pm
'Champion' is a position now, I'm pretty sure your military dwarves won't be locked into a combat role anymore.As soon as they become a hero they will.
Post by: Stik on April 18, 2010, 07:11:25 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on April 18, 2010, 07:14:34 pm
What is the use of a totem?A trade good, that's it.
Post by: assimilateur on April 18, 2010, 08:22:51 pm
What is the use of a totem?A trade good, that's it.
A not very valuable one, to be precise. The best use for skulls is to level up your bone carver. After he's legendary, I wouldn't bother with totems.
'Champion' is a position now, I'm pretty sure your military dwarves won't be locked into a combat role anymore.As soon as they become a hero they will.
In 40d a hero was actually "below" a champion. You mean to say that in the new version they've scrapped the title of champion (or rather, its use to describe a legendary fighter) but left hero in and made it behave exactly as before? That would really be one hell of a buzzkill; believe it or not, but being able to un-recruit dwarves was one of the main things I was looking forward to.
Post by: Smew on April 19, 2010, 12:58:20 pm
In 40d a hero was actually "below" a champion. You mean to say that in the new version they've scrapped the title of champion (or rather, its use to describe a legendary fighter) but left hero in and made it behave exactly as before? That would really be one hell of a buzzkill; believe it or not, but being able to un-recruit dwarves was one of the main things I was looking forward to.I'm pretty sure I've had a couple dwarves in 31 go above axe lord etc while fighting and I could still turn them back into citizens afterwards.
Post by: assimilateur on April 19, 2010, 05:17:36 pm
I'm pretty sure I've had a couple dwarves in 31 go above axe lord etc while fighting and I could still turn them back into citizens afterwards.
Just what I wanted to hear. Thanks for clearing that up.
Post by: PhoenicIan on April 19, 2010, 05:34:42 pm
Post by: assimilateur on April 19, 2010, 05:38:46 pm
Post by: PhoenicIan on April 19, 2010, 05:41:49 pm
Post by: assimilateur on April 19, 2010, 05:46:34 pm
You don't need bone or anything like that to build a craftsdwarf's workshop. You can build it out of a single piece of rough rock, a wooden log, a metal (or soap or coke or whatever) bar or block.
Are all/most of your dwarves extremely busy hauling stuff? Even easy jobs like building a workshop can be delayed for surprisingly long periods when you've got hundreds of items to stockpile or dump and everyone has their hauling labors enabled.
Post by: PhoenicIan on April 19, 2010, 05:48:33 pm
Also, what can I do with magnetite?
Post by: assimilateur on April 19, 2010, 05:56:40 pm
If someone would build the damn thing. Instead, of my 7 dorfs I tend to have 3-4 idlers.
If you want some of your dwarves to focus on things like crafting, then it might be best to disable some of their other labors, like refuse or stone hauling.
Also, what can I do with magnetite?
You can smelt it to get iron or make rock furniture directly out of the ore.
For future reference, there's a quicker way of finding this sort of thing out than asking here and waiting for a reply. Once you've dug out a given mineral, i.e. obtained a rock that's now on your floor, you press k and with your cursor/selector now over your rock, press enter. This brings up info on the mineral (or bar of coal, metal, etc.), including its uses. Note that most types of rock have no particular uses, beyond being able to build furniture, blocks, floors or walls out of them.
Post by: Smew on April 19, 2010, 06:07:12 pm
Since you didn't mention it. :x
Post by: Baron Of Hell on April 19, 2010, 11:13:26 pm
Post by: PhoenicIan on April 20, 2010, 04:05:45 am
Post by: AncientEnemy on April 20, 2010, 04:06:43 am
Post by: PhoenicIan on April 20, 2010, 02:52:54 pm
And now, I've got my first caravan! I'm excited and a little concerned, I don't think I have much worth trading (except an extra door sitting around and some buckets @_@)
ETA:
and the trader's name is Urist. I might have lol'd.
Post by: Tinker Thinker on April 20, 2010, 03:40:10 pm
Query:
What materials are the best used in armour and weapons? At the moment, I've got iron, bismuth bronze, bronze, and copper gear. This is due to a LOT of dead people. I'm talking with a shopkeeper who possesses a steel version of my iron weapon (a maul). . .
Query:
How do I go about trading? I've managed to do a few successful trades with a shopkeeper, and gotten plenty of coin from him, but I have no readily apparent way of determining value. I don't want to undersell myself, but I think if I am consistently too high he'll just get pissed. . .
Any assistance rendered will be greatly appreciated, and honoured with the slaughter of megabeasts.
Post by: Proteus on April 20, 2010, 03:47:23 pm
everything made of bronze is really deadly now,
due to the high weight of the brionze weapons.
As for your querys about currency...
dunno, but exchanging items for coins doesn´t seem to be the wisest choice...
every nation AFAIK has its own and won´t accept the currency of othernations,
so in other nations than that where you sold your items
all of your coins are worthless
Post by: Tinker Thinker on April 20, 2010, 03:55:23 pm
Post by: jayseesee on April 20, 2010, 04:43:02 pm
IfI remember correctly,
everything made of bronze is really deadly now,
due to the high weight of the brionze weapons.
Just a reminder, this is for 40D versions, not DF2010, so this statement is inaccurate for 40D. Iron would most likely be your best bet from what you have.
Post by: Quantum Toast on April 21, 2010, 12:48:38 pm
Except for that steel maul, which should be better than the iron one.IfI remember correctly,
everything made of bronze is really deadly now,
due to the high weight of the brionze weapons.
Just a reminder, this is for 40D versions, not DF2010, so this statement is inaccurate for 40D. Iron would most likely be your best bet from what you have.
Post by: MarkOfZero on April 21, 2010, 01:03:53 pm
Post by: RandomNumberGenerator on April 21, 2010, 01:36:58 pm
In the newest version of DF is it not possible to search for magma pipes/underground rivers etc in the 'Choose Fortress Location' screen? Those features do not appear for me. What up wit dat?
All locations now have cavernous layers, which may contain underground lakes or magma pipes, and all locations how have a magma sea below them as well(which is now really deep). So no, you can't search for them.
Post by: MarkOfZero on April 21, 2010, 04:27:20 pm
Post by: sinister agent on April 21, 2010, 07:04:57 pm
I'm new to the game, started this week. It is horrendously tricky to get into, but using a combination of the wiki and searching through the many posts you helpful folks have shared, I've managed to get a nice wee settlement off the ground with a population of 50, plentiful food, and now some livestock and industry, as well as a couple of legendary fighters. All with only one casualty so far (a strange mood that was apparently bugged - someone went 'possessed' but then just stood in the dining hall doing nothing until he died. Oh well. I had another four carpenters anyway).
There's one question I don't think I'll be able to search for, though. What are the letters on the top left side of the main screen trying to tell me? A few 'squares' below the PAUSE notice, I have a red C and green H. I've only just noticed them, so I'm not sure what's going on there.
Post by: jayseesee on April 21, 2010, 07:16:39 pm
The letters are C for Combat reports and H for hunting reports, hit "r" to view them.
Also, this thread is for 40D questions, and it sounds like you are playing the new version, DF2010. Questions if you are playing that particular version go Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=52208.75).
Post by: sinister agent on April 21, 2010, 07:21:57 pm
Thanks for the help. Cheers for the tip about the workshop, too.
Post by: Gatleos on April 25, 2010, 05:57:38 pm
Post by: Hydra on April 26, 2010, 03:24:20 am
Can anybody tell me the exact requirements to build a water wheel? I built one over a river with a screw pump attached, but it still says there is no power.
It's probably a brook you're in. Channel the 3 squares under the waterweel.
You'll have to deconstruct the waterwell first. Don't forget that when you reconstruct them you might have some pieces of wood in the channel below. Make sure you don't use those for your construction since then your construction won't ever finish.
Post by: Odd!x on April 26, 2010, 09:54:39 am
Post by: Moth Bones on April 26, 2010, 09:02:19 pm
I've designated an items-only refuse pile to collect bones and skulls, but I can't get any dwarves to move them there. I added instructions to take from the food stockpile but they are still being completely ignored. I've made sure there are dwarves designated to haul refuse. Can anyone help?
Post by: Curris on April 26, 2010, 10:55:38 pm
Just saying, has anyone else noticed this? I usually savescum out of it, because, while legendaries are nice, I prefer to earn them and zero-time training seems abusive to me.
Post by: ReploidGodX on April 26, 2010, 11:10:37 pm
Hi, I just started playing the game and I'm hooked :)I'm having a similar issue, but with furniture stockpiles.
I've designated an items-only refuse pile to collect bones and skulls, but I can't get any dwarves to move them there. I added instructions to take from the food stockpile but they are still being completely ignored. I've made sure there are dwarves designated to haul refuse. Can anyone help?
I even deleted the stockpile and remade it and it's still not being used, my workshops are getting the [CLT] tag now and I'd really like to know why no one is moving furniture.
Post by: Curris on April 27, 2010, 12:52:55 am
Hi, I just started playing the game and I'm hooked :)
I've designated an items-only refuse pile to collect bones and skulls, but I can't get any dwarves to move them there. I added instructions to take from the food stockpile but they are still being completely ignored. I've made sure there are dwarves designated to haul refuse. Can anyone help?
Check your 'o' orders, and then 'r' for refuse. Check that A) you are collecting refuse from outside. B) Ensure dwarves have refuse hauling labors C) also under orders, check 'F' for Forbidden.. maybe these bones were forbidden when you killed them. You can fix that by highlighting them with 'k' and then 'f' to reclaim them. D) be patient, hauling usually gets dropped to low spot on job priority
Post by: assimilateur on April 27, 2010, 01:20:09 am
I don't know about work order processing while paused, but I really wouldn't worry about it. The rate at which an experienced manager processes orders - and gets more experienced accordingly - is insane either way, so you're hardly gaining an advantage because of that supposed bug.
A question of my own: is it possible for a dwarf to pass out from sunlight due to cave adaptation? I've seen dwarves - who had previously remained underground for years on end - sleep outside. Since they were neither soldiers instructed to sleep on the ground, nor hunters, it's weird that they wouldn't rather go inside to sleep in their grand or royal bedrooms and instead sleep in the grass while vomiting over themselves.
Post by: Moth Bones on April 27, 2010, 05:23:58 am
If I appoint a manager and give him an office, does that make it easier to co-ordinate all the tasks?
Post by: assimilateur on April 27, 2010, 09:24:19 am
What you can do to sort of streamline this sort of thing is try to have as many haulers as possible, and to possibly specialize them. In my current fort I have 58 dwarves, 30 of which are employed primarily in logistics; you generally only need one guy for each qualified job, if even that. For example, for the whole 35 years of my current fort I've only employed one grower, as well as one cook, and I've had a more or less steady (meaning, I break even with my current production) surplus of food that would last my dwarves 50 years if they suddenly stopped producing more. I give you this example to illustrate how easy it is to produce large quantities of goods with a low investment in dwarfpower.
Another measure to ease the strain on logistics is placing your workshops relatively to input (raw materials) and output (products) in such a way as to make the supply lines as short as reasonably possible. I guess that's pretty self-explanatory, though.
Post by: Moth Bones on April 27, 2010, 11:04:18 am
It's only my second fort so very higgledy-piggledy in its construction. It all got a bit hectic after two large (well, I thought they were large - about 15 and 10 respectively) waves of migrants arrived.
Maybe I'll cancel all orders and start everyone afresh. So there's no need to worry about dwarves being idle if they're only assigned one job?
Last question for now - how do I find magma? I picked an area with plenty of volcanic rock (mainly basalt and gabbro) thinking that was a pointer, but I've done a fair bit of delving and there's no sign.
Post by: Rolan7 on April 27, 2010, 11:23:48 am
I have a question. I'm still playing 40d Edition. I have noticed a bug that seems that if I pause the game for more than ten minutes (say I'm designating mining or dump jobs) that my administrator will continue to process work orders, gaining legendary in what amounts to zero time for him (Since the game is paused, and I keep a massive queue of build orders of something useless, like sand collection).
Just saying, has anyone else noticed this? I usually savescum out of it, because, while legendaries are nice, I prefer to earn them and zero-time training seems abusive to me.
What the crap...
I've confirmed this with Record-Keeping: while the enter key is down, in dig-designation-mode, a record keeping dwarf gained experience at the rate of 3 points per second (89 experience in 30 seconds). Specifically, he gained 1 exp at 1/3 second intervals. This must be related to those liaison dialogues that pop up while time should be stopped. Tapping enter rapidly doesn't add a point each time, but several very short taps can result in a point.
Though fascinating, it's not nearly enough experience to worry about in my opinion. It'd take 100 minutes of continuous enter-holding to get the 18000 points for legendary. You're probably only getting an extra or two each time you designate, so even hundreds of designations are a drop in the bucket. Think of it as training your administrator by administrating (:
Well, unless the effect is much greater for job managers, which would make sense actually. Huh. I'll test that as soon as I get some migrants, thanks for telling us about this!
Post by: Odd!x on April 27, 2010, 11:27:35 am
Post by: Cult of the Raven on April 27, 2010, 03:51:47 pm
I was playing around with the map editor in 30.3, and I realized it wasn't showing the entire map, so I'd get a square area that i'd painted, and a huge area of blankness. I'm also a little confused about the map editor in general, but I looked and couldn't find anything about it on the wiki or forums - does anyone know about the map editor at all and can help me figure it out?
(I'm trying to reproduce the map in the RPG setting i've made so I can simulate some of my mining towns with forts. I think it will be quite fun, but I want to figure out the map editor first.)
Post by: Moth Bones on April 28, 2010, 12:37:56 pm
Do underground furnaces, smelters and forges need ventilation?
Post by: Rolan7 on April 28, 2010, 01:07:16 pm
A new question.
Do underground furnaces, smelters and forges need ventilation?
Not at all.
I think I saw a 40d mod which tried to make smelter reactions cause smoke or miasma, but without mods, the answer is no.
Just look out for magma critters!
Post by: Demonic Spoon on April 28, 2010, 01:27:00 pm
Post by: Moth Bones on April 28, 2010, 01:31:50 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on April 28, 2010, 01:36:16 pm
So a question about 40d, is it possible for the philosopher noble to ever marry?
It is. I've had a couple married philosophers.
Post by: assimilateur on April 28, 2010, 02:30:39 pm
I've drafted one girl (barely 12 or 13) when she was romantically involved with a guy. She soon became a legendary champion and they never married, despite having remained lovers (if their profiles are to be believed) for around 25 years. This most likely has to do with her military status; I'm almost positive that they would have tied the knot long ago, had she remained a civilian.
Post by: The Architect on April 28, 2010, 02:34:55 pm
Post by: assimilateur on April 28, 2010, 02:58:25 pm
How else would you explain the fact that even though my dwarves had been idling for most of the last 10 years (I barely lay anymore, just letting the game run in the background) and still my last pair of lovers hasn't married? I'm not questioning the overall guidelines you've given (spending time together, having compatible personalities); what I'm saying is that being in the military seems to keep a dwarf from marrying.
Post by: Tarot on May 07, 2010, 01:54:11 pm
Post by: The Architect on May 07, 2010, 01:57:28 pm
Anyway, I believe I heard that Fortress Guard and Royal Guard don't exist anymore. There's no reason for them to exist, since you can simply program a squad to perform their function. I don't know why you would want to place a bunch of dwarves permanently outside of your control anyway (a huge bug with the old Guard system).
Post by: Tarot on May 07, 2010, 02:17:19 pm
Post by: The Architect on May 07, 2010, 02:21:30 pm
At least, in 40d. I don't know for sure about the "justice" system in .31.
Post by: Leesin on May 07, 2010, 08:40:11 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on May 07, 2010, 09:05:06 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 08, 2010, 02:15:43 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 08, 2010, 02:27:59 am
Post by: The Architect on May 08, 2010, 02:35:55 am
I once had a cat owner catch his pet, which was randomly flung straight at him. It knocked him down, but the cat was safe. Of course, not being sentimental about sprites, I just had the lever pulled again. But it was damn cool.
There's no need to genocide cats in the new version, unless perhaps if you are facing catsplosion or you want to capture all of your vermin alive. Rotting vermin remains don't produce miasma now and catpathing in small numbers isn't a significant drain on FPS.
Post by: Leesin on May 08, 2010, 07:16:19 am
Post by: Deathworks on May 08, 2010, 07:34:23 am
I read in different threads about all these things people can do, like tie wardogs to an entrance or throw a cat into a channel where you flood it with water/magma and other stuff, how on earth do you do all this kind of stuff ? to me it just seems like I have no control over anything like this, I just give basic orders and wait for my dwarfs to dig that, carry that, build that or make that, lol.
Well, that is part of learning the game: Some of these things require you to look carefully at what options certain commands offer you, while others are just clever applications of features.
For example, tying wardogs to an entrance is basically a very easy thing (though I haven't done it myself as I hate dogs and do not suffer them in my fortresses):
1. Acquire stray tame dog. (brought on embark or bought)
2. Acquire rope or chain. (brought on embark, bought, or produced in your workshops)
3. Build kennels if you don't have them and give the train war dog order
4. Build the rope/chain (under the 'b'uild menu, you have to select restraints) at the location you want it to be. Basically, the creature will be in the 3x3 square with the rope/chain in the center.
5. Once the dog has become a war dog (green announcement), 'q'uery the rope/chain and 'a'ssign the war dog.
A dwarf will then fetch the war dog and tie it to the rope/chain.
One very nice aspect of Dwarf Fortress is its consistency which allows us to be creative and use things in an unusual manner. So, you should see it as a challenge to your creativity. Have fun!
Deathworks
Post by: Leesin on May 08, 2010, 07:59:39 am
Post by: tomas1297 on May 08, 2010, 08:13:44 am
Post by: Sphalerite on May 08, 2010, 09:07:12 am
How do I forbid entrance to certain zones?I forgot...You can't forbid dwarves from entering certain areas, but you can set a burrow and restrict dwarves to never leave that burrow. To block all dwarves from a small area you'll have to set the entire rest of the world to a burrow and assign all the dwarves to it.
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 08, 2010, 12:23:45 pm
40d question, my dwarves are refusing to bury all the cat corpses left behind when I decimated the fort's pet population through df companion, I'd have used a more tradition method like spikes or bridge over lava but many have the pet owners also had children which I did not want to kill.
Post by: Leesin on May 08, 2010, 02:07:47 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on May 08, 2010, 02:21:35 pm
Also note that your hunters are dorfs, so when they run out of bolts trying to shoot down that skeletal elephant, they'll happily charge into melee with it.
Post by: Leesin on May 08, 2010, 03:48:17 pm
Post by: Deathworks on May 08, 2010, 03:50:23 pm
I recommend that you see whether the elven traders bring grizzly bears. Those can be trained to war grizzly bears using the train war dog command at the kennel and should have a bit more of a push.
Deathworks
Post by: Leesin on May 08, 2010, 05:04:42 pm
Post by: tomas1297 on May 09, 2010, 03:14:15 am
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 09, 2010, 03:51:05 am
Post by: tomas1297 on May 09, 2010, 03:55:42 am
Post by: PhoenicIan on May 09, 2010, 04:51:27 am
Post by: Slythe on May 09, 2010, 07:09:04 am
If I have one fort going, can I start a new game and not lose the old fort? That is, in the same version of DF (currently using 40d).
I believe only if you create a new world. You can only have one fort currently going on each world.
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 09, 2010, 07:13:50 am
Is it normal that about 5 rangers/hunters I've had have been killed whilst hunting ? lol. I can't imagine what killed them to be honest!.
A creatuire that's killed a dwarf should get a name.
Post by: LegitMacgyver on May 09, 2010, 07:31:00 am
Is it normal that about 5 rangers/hunters I've had have been killed whilst hunting ? lol. I can't imagine what killed them to be honest!.
A creatuire that's killed a dwarf should get a name.
It usually takes a few dwarf kills for a creature to get named.
Post by: Kalphoenix on May 09, 2010, 04:16:16 pm
Post by: Big Mac on May 09, 2010, 07:56:48 pm
WTF?
Post by: austonst on May 09, 2010, 08:41:24 pm
What happens to your fort when you abandon it? I've gotten to the point where I'm almost falling asleep between sieges and just praying that they'll put up a fight for once. I did have some fun capturing an elf master lasher who was leading the siege in a cage, stripping him down, and putting him on display in a fancy statue garden. Besides that, though, it's been "Charcoal stock okay, seed stock okay, miners are mining, caravan's leaving... repeat". I am really attached to my dwarves, though. I doubt I'll ever forget Edem, the one eyed axedwarf who takes out about half of every incoming siege, or Momuz, the only noble who actually seems to care about the other dwarves.
Does abandoning your fort instantly bring it to a broken down, decayed state full of monsters to fight on a reclaim, or does it allow the dwarves to live on with their lives, doing things other dwarven cities would do? Alternatively, do sieges ever become powerful enough to take out an 11 champion military? The dragon that came by earlier never managed to even scratch one of my dwarves.
EDIT: To rephrase my intentions a little better: I want my fortress to die a natural death, whether through invasion, famine, or HFS. I want to be able to look over the history of my dwarves and see how they died and when. I'm just a little worried that once I abandon, they'll all die off or start behaving completely differently.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 09, 2010, 08:52:06 pm
So, I have an issue where all of my miners are total slackers. There are plenty of picks, Mining is enabled, everything, but they won't mine. They just chill in my dining room forever.
WTF?
Can they access what you want to dig? Try seeing if they'll dig out a corner of the dining room or something. You can cancel the designation before they dig it out, if you want your dining room to look perfect.
What happens to your fort when you abandon it?
Your dwarves will form a migratory group and perhaps settle in an abandoned fortress elsewhere. All your tame animals will die, though I'm not sure about pets. If you reclaim immediately after abandoning, your dwarves won't have left yet, and they will be listed as friendly on the unit list.
All your food will be gone. All your items will be scattered randomly about your fortress. All your buildings will still be intact.
If you have features on your map, like a chasm or an underground river, there will be a new compliment of creatures to fill it. They might also be wandering around your fortress proper.
Any captured prisoners will be on your map and wandering around. Any captured megabeasts will be released and wandering around the map. All tame animals will be dead.
Alternatively, do sieges ever become powerful enough to take out an 11 champion military?
No.
EDIT: To rephrase my intentions a little better: I want my fortress to die a natural death...
You'll have to engineer a creative death for your fortress. If you abandon, your dwarves just go elsewhere and your fortress will be messy but still intact.
Post by: DangerHelvetica on May 09, 2010, 09:11:25 pm
One of my champions randomly died, said he bled to death, now I can't really find his corpse or any evidence but there is no way he was outside, I have had them set to off duty and training them all up, is it most likely there was a training accident with the battle axes ?. Playing 40d btw. Bloody things... I have been training 11 guys for along time now, I got them all legendary wrestling and they all became champions, then started on axe training, I guess 1 dead isn't much of a loss lol.
Time to bring in CSI Dwarf Fortress.
Post by: austonst on May 09, 2010, 09:26:58 pm
Post by: Big Mac on May 09, 2010, 10:07:44 pm
So, I have an issue where all of my miners are total slackers. There are plenty of picks, Mining is enabled, everything, but they won't mine. They just chill in my dining room forever.
WTF?
ARGH! It turns out that this was the case. I had some issues with ramps and orientation, and then i was just convinced I was right everywhere else. Thanks!
Post by: mross on May 09, 2010, 10:28:20 pm
If I want to build some constructions (like say, roads) out of gold, am I better off smelting into bars at a smelter, or turning the ore into blocks at a masonry shop, value-wise?
I have enough trees that charcoal usage is irrelevant, and I don't care how long it takes
Also I'm using 40d19, not the latest version, if that matters
Post by: The Architect on May 09, 2010, 10:52:26 pm
Post by: mross on May 09, 2010, 11:39:59 pm
Post by: The Architect on May 10, 2010, 12:36:13 am
thanks
erm, actually...
I was dead wrong. I got the whole thing backwards. Sorry! I forgot that Blocks have a 5x material multiplier, so making it out of stone (aka gold nuggets) blocks is better than gold bars, although they're still better than unshaped gold nuggets. And worst of all is gold (metal) blocks, except that there's a glitch right now allowing you to make them out of 1 bar each.
All of this is dependent on gold nuggets' value vs gold bars. With platinum, nuggets are more valuable than bars. This is very backwards, and I believe gold bars are more valuable than nuggets. So... while gold blocks would normally be the worst thing, right now it's the best.
Post by: Shangurath on May 10, 2010, 03:52:52 am
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 10, 2010, 04:41:24 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 10, 2010, 09:58:58 am
Post by: Smew on May 10, 2010, 11:25:26 am
Are there any ways to keep water from freezing? In winter all the water freezes, and dwarves die because of thirstMake an underground waterway(even just one tile diverted from the river to under a hill will do), or build a roof over the river itself.
Post by: mross on May 10, 2010, 12:00:59 pm
erm, actually...
I was dead wrong. I got the whole thing backwards. Sorry! I forgot that Blocks have a 5x material multiplier, so making it out of stone (aka gold nuggets) blocks is better than gold bars, although they're still better than unshaped gold nuggets. And worst of all is gold (metal) blocks, except that there's a glitch right now allowing you to make them out of 1 bar each.
All of this is dependent on gold nuggets' value vs gold bars. With platinum, nuggets are more valuable than bars. This is very backwards, and I believe gold bars are more valuable than nuggets. So... while gold blocks would normally be the worst thing, right now it's the best.
oh snap! thanks again
Post by: Shangurath on May 10, 2010, 12:03:08 pm
Are there any ways to keep water from freezing? In winter all the water freezes, and dwarves die because of thirstMake an underground waterway(even just one tile diverted from the river to under a hill will do), or build a roof over the river itself.
Thanks but how do I make a roof?
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 10, 2010, 12:04:16 pm
Covering rivers with floor tiles does not prevent freezing, however, so you'll have to use river diversion.
Post by: Smew on May 10, 2010, 12:11:10 pm
Build floor tiles on higher z-levels. Build stairs to access higher z-levels.Oh right, I was thinking of how DC would only keep a tile as underground if it had a roof over it. :3
Covering rivers with floor tiles does not prevent freezing, however, so you'll have to use river diversion.
Post by: trevdogg100 on May 10, 2010, 12:12:49 pm
Are there any ways to keep water from freezing? In winter all the water freezes, and dwarves die because of thirstMake an underground waterway(even just one tile diverted from the river to under a hill will do), or build a roof over the river itself.
Thanks but how do I make a roof?
(b)uild [C]onstruction [f]floor
*needs to be one or more z levels above the river
*needs access to dry land
*can increase size with dtgm keys
Post by: mross on May 10, 2010, 12:17:06 pm
erm, actually...
I was dead wrong. I got the whole thing backwards. Sorry! I forgot that Blocks have a 5x material multiplier, so making it out of stone (aka gold nuggets) blocks is better than gold bars, although they're still better than unshaped gold nuggets. And worst of all is gold (metal) blocks, except that there's a glitch right now allowing you to make them out of 1 bar each.
did some wiki research, it looks like the ore and the metal have the same value, of 30 (backed up by the raws)
blocks have a base value of 5
so like you said, gold blocks would be worth 150 each, allowing me to cram 5x the value in to a given surface area, which is awesome
All of this is dependent on gold nuggets' value vs gold bars. With platinum, nuggets are more valuable than bars. This is very backwards, and I believe gold bars are more valuable than nuggets. So... while gold blocks would normally be the worst thing, right now it's the best.
so if understand, what you're saying is that since for gold, bars and ore are both worth 30, it makes more sense to just mason the ore in to blocks, since i'll have 150 per unit either way, and i won't need charcoal, and it saves me a step; but if bars were changed to be worth, say, 45, then it would be worth it to smelt and then turn them in to metal blocks, 'cause then each gold metal block would be worth 225, as opposed to the 150 of a gold ore block. is this right?
i appreciate the help, eventually we'll have a coherent theory of block dynamics and no one will need to be confused anymore
Post by: Shangurath on May 10, 2010, 12:20:33 pm
Post by: mross on May 10, 2010, 02:12:18 pm
Thanks for answers :) But I have another problem :( There are some elk birds that came out from the cavern and they interrupt my dwarves from doing everything. Is there anything I can do with that?
activate all your doods in to the military and hope that they win
Post by: The Architect on May 11, 2010, 12:02:57 pm
is this right?
i appreciate the help, eventually we'll have a coherent theory of block dynamics and no one will need to be confused anymore
Yep, you've got it. And you did your homework, putting it all together. Good job. Glad to help where I can.
Can't find Metal Block or furniture at all in the raws, to see what [SIZE] metal blocks are (and thus how many gold bars a block should normally require). But right now:
Gold nugget block: 150, 1 Gold nuggets (bad grammar, but it's just a game mechanic)
Gold bar: 30, 1 Gold nuggets + fuel
Gold block: 150, 1 Gold bar + fuel
With fixed smithing:
Gold block: 150, >1 Gold bar + fuel
So I guess economically speaking: gold nugget blocks will always be the best option. Hopefully you didn't build half of your construction out of gold bars because of my initial mistake!
Post by: mross on May 11, 2010, 06:53:06 pm
So I guess economically speaking: gold nugget blocks will always be the best option. Hopefully you didn't build half of your construction out of gold bars because of my initial mistake!
I'm waiting on my bro to finish out his year (succession game) before I start anything, so I'm planning some stuff out in the meantime. Thanks again!
Post by: Life Swordsman on May 11, 2010, 09:14:08 pm
Post by: The Architect on May 11, 2010, 09:37:09 pm
Post by: Smew on May 11, 2010, 09:40:17 pm
Post by: Life Swordsman on May 11, 2010, 09:46:04 pm
Sounds just like the floating/flying creature bug, but you haven't mentioned the child on a light blue background. Is that what is on the square?
I checked all the levels above the square, but nothing. it was just reguler felsite ground.
I'm pretty sure that's what happens when a child is taken, but the goblin hasn't left the map yet, but I can't tell you for sure.
i'm going to check real fast if i have any goblin thieves in a cage. however, when i zoom to the child, its very far away from the entrance to the fort.
EDIT: I have two thiefs, but there inside my fortress, waiting to have all there stuff removed for live training for military. I also checked the bags they're caring, nothing in them
Post by: The Architect on May 11, 2010, 09:53:19 pm
Post by: nil on May 11, 2010, 10:33:00 pm
Post by: The Architect on May 12, 2010, 12:17:58 am
In my experience this is what happens with every snatched child. I've always assumed that the empty square is simply the last known location of the child before he or she was stolen.
Perhaps. It should be put on the bug tracker either way, since that will allow people to look it up and ascertain if it is the expected behavior.
Post by: nil on May 12, 2010, 12:26:14 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 12, 2010, 02:10:35 am
Post by: The Architect on May 12, 2010, 02:34:12 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 12, 2010, 02:57:33 am
Dwarfs work themselves too hard now, and then collapse in the nearest bed.Ah I see thanks
Post by: Miggy on May 12, 2010, 05:35:47 am
Post by: The Architect on May 12, 2010, 08:24:03 am
Post by: Keuran on May 12, 2010, 08:25:01 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 12, 2010, 10:36:06 am
oops already managed with it
Post by: Greep on May 12, 2010, 02:52:11 pm
Post by: Tehran on May 13, 2010, 02:30:57 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 13, 2010, 11:56:25 am
- ffer. Darn. Are there any benefits that I will get for this?
After second trade dwarf trader said that he is tired of childish games and next time perhaps will take it seriously. What does this mean?
Post by: Greep on May 13, 2010, 12:11:34 pm
Post by: PhoenicIan on May 13, 2010, 01:14:02 pm
40d btw
Post by: Ladde on May 13, 2010, 02:22:55 pm
I play 40d. And I'm not that experianced, have been playing for a couple of weeks.
But when I order my men to be station near the underground river, I'm currently trying to dig around. They go around doing alot of other things, like "Oh there is a giant toad there, but hey I need to sleep so F-that." And them they all go away and my miners die...
I know I can get them watersacks and food backpacks.
But they've been standing down the whole time, and when I discover that toads I put them on station and duty, and they can't even stay there för a couple of minutes.
I have another example. A dwarf went berserk, so I ordered my marksmen to move/station near the location of the berserking dwarf. But no, they had to go and eat, and one of them went for sleep. I mean if the fortress is under attack and you're one of the guards, why would you go sleep or go sit down and eat, meanwhile the "enemies" rampages through your fortress and kills of alot of dwarfs.
And when the squad leader is taking a nap or eating or does anything. The other squad members just hangs around him. Why?
Do I have to have all my military in thier own squads?
So frustraiting. I know this game is "Losing is fun" And yea it is fun to get stormed by goblins and die because you didn't have enough guards/traps etc.
But not when you HAVE and trying to defend everything, and the guards won't even listen.
Feels like there is no point of having guards, when you have to just hope that they do thier job.
Yea I'm pretty steamed up now. Because I lost half my dwarf to a giant toad...
Edit: I guess I need a question aswell. Is the military supposed to be this way? Or am I doing anything wrong?
Cheers.
Post by: Shangurath on May 13, 2010, 02:30:12 pm
Post by: Smew on May 13, 2010, 04:38:42 pm
How do I create modest quarters and modest office (or meager quarters etc)?That's the quality rating of the room, to improve the quality you can do things such as making the room larger, smoothing and engraving it, putting better quality furniture in it, putting good quality anything in it, really.
Post by: Tehran on May 14, 2010, 01:12:08 am
I'm so tierd of the Military being so none-responsive in Dwarf Fortress, really tips me off about this game...
...
I know I can get them watersacks and food backpacks.
But they've been standing down the whole time, and when I discover that toads I put them on station and duty, and they can't even stay there för a couple of minutes.
Yes, you should get them waterskins and backpacks. But I know what you mean about the military running off to do their own thing. I've yelled at my computer before, "You guys are ON DUTY! Guard the fort!!"
There's two things you can do. Or... two that I know of.
1. If there's an area of the map or underground with vicious animals like toads, just don't mine there! You should always be protecting your fortress with doors and drawbridges and traps. Remember Murphy's law: If it can go wrong, it will go wrong. Put a barrier like a door between you and them, and lock it. [q, l]
2. Kill all the toads, and THEN you can mine in there. You don't need your squad to be on duty all the time, you just need them to stick around long enough to kill everything. Then they can go screw around.
But make sure they're all together before sending them to kill stuff. You don't want them getting picked off one by one.
Post by: Shangurath on May 14, 2010, 08:14:52 am
How do I create modest quarters and modest office (or meager quarters etc)?That's the quality rating of the room, to improve the quality you can do things such as making the room larger, smoothing and engraving it, putting better quality furniture in it, putting good quality anything in it, really.
Thanks for answer
And how can I check the quality rating of a room?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 14, 2010, 08:21:48 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 14, 2010, 08:27:59 am
Two ways. You can assign it to a dwarf, in which case it will show up in their profile, or you can press the R key and get a listing of all rooms.I see thanks
And what is the difference between quarters and office? Quarters = bedroom, right? And how can I make an office?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 14, 2010, 08:33:32 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 14, 2010, 08:37:08 am
Offices are used for paperwork and are designated from a chair. It is advisable to put a table in the office as well because dwarves will eat in their office.
Okay thanks :)
And by the way, a military question in old DF. My melee soldiers are holding weapons (iron) but while training, they get experience only in wrestling - why?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 14, 2010, 08:39:49 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 14, 2010, 09:05:04 am
And is there a way to make trees or something that gives wood?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 14, 2010, 09:09:29 am
Your best bet is to trade for them.
Post by: Shangurath on May 14, 2010, 09:30:42 am
Post by: Ladde on May 14, 2010, 09:37:05 am
I'm so tierd of the Military being so none-responsive in Dwarf Fortress, really tips me off about this game...
...
I know I can get them watersacks and food backpacks.
But they've been standing down the whole time, and when I discover that toads I put them on station and duty, and they can't even stay there för a couple of minutes.
Yes, you should get them waterskins and backpacks. But I know what you mean about the military running off to do their own thing. I've yelled at my computer before, "You guys are ON DUTY! Guard the fort!!"
There's two things you can do. Or... two that I know of.
1. If there's an area of the map or underground with vicious animals like toads, just don't mine there! You should always be protecting your fortress with doors and drawbridges and traps. Remember Murphy's law: If it can go wrong, it will go wrong. Put a barrier like a door between you and them, and lock it. [q, l]
2. Kill all the toads, and THEN you can mine in there. You don't need your squad to be on duty all the time, you just need them to stick around long enough to kill everything. Then they can go screw around.
But make sure they're all together before sending them to kill stuff. You don't want them getting picked off one by one.
Thanks, I'll try to advance with more precautions. And I'll get those skins and packs.
Its time to kick some toad butt!
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 14, 2010, 09:39:32 am
Thanks for answerUse (x) or "x". The square brackets screw up the forum.
I cannot change my squads in
- menu. Earlier I could. What's the problem?
If you're using 40d, you only switch between "on duty" squads. If they're sleeping or eating they won't show up.
Post by: Shangurath on May 14, 2010, 09:43:34 am
Thanks for answerUse (x) or "x". The square brackets screw up the forum.
I cannot change my squads in
- menu. Earlier I could. What's the problem?
If you're using 40d, you only switch between "on duty" squads. If they're sleeping or eating they won't show up.
Yes they were on duty but I just reformed the squads and it works again
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 14, 2010, 09:45:01 am
Engraving doesn't work in 40d. When I press [d] then [e] and then select walls, nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?You have to smooth the walls before you engrave them.
Post by: Shangurath on May 14, 2010, 09:47:31 am
Engraving doesn't work in 40d. When I press [d] then [e] and then select walls, nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?You have to smooth the walls before you engrave them.
Oops sorry I mean smoothing doesn't work :)
PS
Oh I got it now.. That was not stone
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 14, 2010, 09:49:08 am
Post by: Collic on May 14, 2010, 11:46:10 am
Engraving doesn't work in 40d. When I press [d] then [e] and then select walls, nothing happens. What am I doing wrong?
Make sure you've smoothed the stone first (d) (s) I think. It also has to be a natural stone wall, not a constructed one.
Post by: Shangurath on May 15, 2010, 09:55:34 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 15, 2010, 10:05:36 am
Hmm if I build a wall and fortifications next to it, then build stairs up and down to this wall - how do I make my dwarves attack from this wall and make them to be able to manoeuvre on the wall?I mean in 40d version
And another question. If I will have a shell, in which stockpile it would be put?
Post by: Rolan7 on May 15, 2010, 03:02:18 pm
The above is just what I've heard though, I haven't used marksdwarves much (too powerful and also too fiddly).
Shells go in refuse piles, and you can set a custom refuse pile to only have shells (and assign your real refuse piles to not accept shells).
Post by: Pheo on May 15, 2010, 11:07:56 pm
And another question. If I will have a shell, in which stockpile it would be put?
A refuse stockpile. Shells will disappear at the end of a season if outside, so its best to create a refuse pile inside that only accepts shells.
*edit* oops, didn't read all of rolan7's post ::)
Post by: Shangurath on May 16, 2010, 12:25:47 am
Dwarves aren't smart enough to move away from incoming fire, so maneuvering isn't an issue. The fortifications should be on the same z-level your marksdwarves are shooting from, if you want to shield them from enemy fire. Your dwarves will shoot through the fortifications (because they're right next to them) while shots from the enemy will usually be blocked. If enemy archers get right up to the fortification they can shoot through it just as easily, but I think they prefer to go for lucky shots from a distance. Expect losses anyway, particularly from local leaders or bunches of elves.Thanks for answer
The above is just what I've heard though, I haven't used marksdwarves much (too powerful and also too fiddly).
Shells go in refuse piles, and you can set a custom refuse pile to only have shells (and assign your real refuse piles to not accept shells).
Well, I mean how do I make dwarves to move to the walls. For example, if I have walls like here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCXxNmJNN5s&fmt=18
and goblins attack, I will chose a station point or patrol point to make my dwarves attack the goblins. But will dwarves just come out of the fortress and attack from the groung or will they walk up on the walls and attack from there?
Post by: Shangurath on May 16, 2010, 12:31:56 am
And just one more about armor.. The sense of using leather and chain instead of plate armor is it's weight. But how can I learn the characterisitcs of a particular armor? Is chain MUCH better than leather or is plate much better than chain?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 16, 2010, 05:18:38 am
Post by: Xzalander on May 16, 2010, 06:36:20 am
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 16, 2010, 08:03:11 am
Post by: Corinthius on May 16, 2010, 11:07:31 am
2) How does one tame in the new version, if there is no more dungeon master?
Thanks!
Post by: Xzalander on May 16, 2010, 11:44:42 am
1) Can trading caravans in DF 31.xx travel up and down stairs?
2) How does one tame in the new version, if there is no more dungeon master?
Thanks!
1. No for wagons, yes for small merchants.
2. Not sure.
Post by: Pheo on May 16, 2010, 12:01:08 pm
2) How does one tame in the new version, if there is no more dungeon master?
Anything with the [PET] tag is tamable. [PET_EXOTIC] creatures are only tamable with the DungeonMaster.
Go into the raws and change [PET_EXOTIC] to [PET] so that any animal caretaker can tame them.
Double points if you make sure [TRAINABLE] is in there, making them able to be tained into war/hunting animals. Gobbos will cower in fear of your War Cave Crocodiles!
Post by: neverknown on May 16, 2010, 01:20:08 pm
(also didnt found a thing in the wiki)
Its about supports. when do I need them? How deep/wide may I dig before I have to place a pillar? Does it make a difference if I use different materials for the support pillars?
thank youuu!!
Post by: Deathworks on May 16, 2010, 01:27:54 pm
Currently, cave-ins use an extremely simplified mechanism that as long as there is one connection via horizontal or vertical neighboring floor/wall tiles to the map border or an undisrupted connection of a similar nature to the bottom of the map, a cave-in will not occur. Thus, as long as you have even a single tile connection, you can dig out rooms as large as you like. Even hollowing out entire layers of the map are no problem.
So, in the current versions (40d, 31) you do not need supports for your excavation. In addition, as far as supporting is concerned, a constructed wall does the same.
However (unless this has changed in recent days as I have rarely used it), there is one difference: you can use a mechanism to build a lever anywhere inside your fortress and then link that support to the lever using two more mechanisms. If the lever is pulled after the link is complete, the support will collapse. This way, you can artificially cause a cave-in without risking the lives of your dwarves:
Dig out all tiles below the floor you wish to drop
Build one support somewhere below the floor you wish to drop connecting it to the lower floor.
Link the support to a lever.
Dig channels around the area you want to drop so that it is only held up by the support.
Get your dwarves away from the area.
Pull the lever.
Deathworks
Post by: The Architect on May 17, 2010, 02:57:38 am
Post by: Footkerchief on May 17, 2010, 03:52:49 am
There doesn't appear to be an option in .04 for disabling cave-ins. Did I miss something? I was considering building a great floating fortress, but it would be kinda cheap if I connected it somewhere.
The init file has been split into init.txt, d_init.txt (that's the one you want), and colors.txt.
Post by: The Architect on May 17, 2010, 05:04:20 am
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 07:33:48 am
&
How to kill an elvish caravan :)?
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 17, 2010, 07:36:31 am
Microcline has no special use. It has a pretty cyan color that may or may not annoy the hell out of you. Do whatever you want with it.
As for killing the elven caravan? If you're in the new version, you can order your dwarves to kill the elves, I think from the squads screen, if you have a military active. Or you can devise a devious death trap. The choice is yours.
Others can better inform you about the new version, as I'm still playing 40d.
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 17, 2010, 07:41:25 am
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 07:43:33 am
@hostile elves: What if I dig about their wagon so it doesn't get out of my depot? That'll work?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 17, 2010, 07:48:26 am
If you trap the elves, eventually they''ll go insane. Then you can kill them.
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 07:58:21 am
@elves - game crushed upon the 'merchants gonna leave soon'; the depot was walled around so the wagon would just stand there;
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 17, 2010, 08:03:25 am
Did the game crash, as in stop working completely, or is the elven caravan just sitting there? They don't go crazy immediately. Be patient.
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 08:20:13 am
@elves: Crashed as in 'boom';
it worked for the third time, so now I'm waiting for the elves to get loony;
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 17, 2010, 08:38:56 am
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 09:20:06 am
New questions:
1. Are there any negative consequences of not using barrels for food storage?
2. How do I create a swimming pool so dwarves can take water from it for a long period of time?
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 09:34:59 am
@elves: Crashed as in 'boom';
it worked for the third time, so now I'm waiting for the elves to get loony;
They just died of hunger :) Does that create any bad karma for future interactions with the elves?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 17, 2010, 10:04:44 am
@Infernalis
1. Barrels help to keep your food supply from taking up too much room, as several tiles worth of meat, seeds, or plants fit in one barrel. Also, some plant processing at the quern requires a barrel to hold the output, as does boozemaking.
2. Not sure what you want here.
Post by: aorsmith on May 17, 2010, 10:54:17 am
problem is, the puppy had an owner.
so question: how to i put a puppy in a tomb? i read on the wiki that just letting it rot will cause bad thoughts and [q]ing the tomb only produces a list of dwarf names.
Post by: Deathworks on May 17, 2010, 11:40:52 am
You can't put a pet into a [t]omb. But you can and should bury it in a coffin.
When you put a coffin on your map and 'q' it, you have the option of whether to make it a room (=tomb) or whether you want to use it for burial. Use it for burial and you will get additional options to toggle pets/citizens. Once you have done that, wait 2 or 3 frames, and one of the dead who are allowed to claim the coffin by the setting will automatically claim the coffin.
If you already made the coffin in question a tomb, you need to 'q' it and free it again so you can change it to burial.
Note that you can't specify which dead claims the coffin if there are several who are eligible. Thus, you should start building coffins timely.
Any pets that have been adopted OR that are available for adoption claim a coffin upon death, with the exception of cats and kittens who never get a coffin.
Deathworks
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 12:20:25 pm
If enough merchants die in your fort, the elves may declare war. I've yet to manage it.
@Infernalis
1. Barrels help to keep your food supply from taking up too much room, as several tiles worth of meat, seeds, or plants fit in one barrel. Also, some plant processing at the quern requires a barrel to hold the output, as does boozemaking.
2. Not sure what you want here.
@Lord Shonus: about the barrels; I'm thinking of creating a large food pile with no barrels on it so that all my barrels get used for booze; I'm producing so much food I can't keep up with the barrel demand :)
About the pool: since midgets can drink water as well, I wish to create an underground reservoir; I have 'rain shafts' channelled into my fortress, but water soaks into the earth pretty quickly; any idea on how to store it?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 17, 2010, 12:27:22 pm
Post by: aorsmith on May 17, 2010, 02:26:29 pm
1. is there any use for barrels of blood trade caravan's keep offering me?
2. why is my hunter always sleeping on the floor? i've assigned a room just for him yet he still sleeps on the dirt. he isn't in a military squad.
edit edit: two more questions :P
3. is there a way of moving coffins with things inside to a different place without messing things up? will it generate a bad thought?
4. a recent cavein permanently crippled my legendary miner and left my farmer severely mangled. my doctor was performing surgery on the farmer when he suddenly jumped from the bed (i got an interruption notice) and headed towards the farm planting seeds as if nothing has happened. should i leave him farming? he has like seven mangled body parts and 2 yellows. can he die/worsen this way?
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 02:39:11 pm
The water isn't soaking into the earth, it's evaporating. What you need to do is dig out a large area and fill it from another water source.
I dig into lakes but the water evaporates rather fast - is there a way to slow it down? It also does NOT evaporate while being in the natural lake - correct?
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 04:04:34 pm
Post by: Corinthius on May 17, 2010, 06:06:37 pm
@infernalis: No idea how many, but a dwarf drinks twice a season if I remember correctly.
@infernalis: Water has a chance to evaporate if it is 1/7 deep. I'm not sure if high temperatures change this rule though.
@aorsmith: I believe that blood can be cooked with. No idea re/hunter sleeping. He must just be lazy. ;-) re/Coffins, I have no idea but I've always wondered and been to nervous to try. And finally, healthcare is bugged, so maybe this was a bug? I have no idea really. :/ Sorry I wasn't much help.
And question asked:
Does carving fortifications off the edge of the map still work to drain water off the map, in DF 31.xx
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 06:32:05 pm
Post by: aorsmith on May 17, 2010, 06:39:12 pm
about the milking thing, the only creature my milker seems to be able to milk is donkey....
i've read they're supposed to be able to milk horses and cows too..i'd also like to know how to milk an animal.
edit:
nvm turns out its only females.
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 08:02:43 pm
Post by: Flaede on May 17, 2010, 08:20:51 pm
What happens to a barrel if it's been emptied after containing a drink/seed/plant/meal/etc? I think I saw one being reused but I'm not sure;
they are re-used. some stockples will be set to automatically contain one empty barrel or bin to be filled (and then replaced with another empty barrel/bin) as needed, however, so this can take up a portion of your empty barrel stock.
Post by: fenrirfenix on May 17, 2010, 08:39:16 pm
The dorfs are working themselves stupid. Getting hungry and thirsty and unhappy. I don't need them working that hard. IS there an option I don't see for toggling work habits??
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 17, 2010, 09:37:20 pm
The only thing you can do until its reworked is to limit how much you designate and how many jobs you order at once. For repeat jobs, you'll have to monitor the workshop and suspend it when the arrows start flashing.
@Infernal
In most biomes, the natural lakes on the surface will dry up at some part of the year. To put the water in a reservoir, use a pump (it's much faster) and don't make it too big to fill from your source. As long as you get a uniform depth of 2/7 or higher in the reservoir, it won't dry up. Make sure you put a roof over it if it's exposed.
Post by: infernalis on May 17, 2010, 11:30:31 pm
@Infernal@Lord Shonus: thx;
In most biomes, the natural lakes on the surface will dry up at some part of the year. To put the water in a reservoir, use a pump (it's much faster) and don't make it too big to fill from your source. As long as you get a uniform depth of 2/7 or higher in the reservoir, it won't dry up. Make sure you put a roof over it if it's exposed.
So I can also catch rainwater this way, correct?
Post by: The Architect on May 17, 2010, 11:37:28 pm
Post by: Xelek on May 18, 2010, 12:27:38 am
@infernalis: Water has a chance to evaporate if it is 1/7 deep. I'm not sure if high temperatures change this rule though.Cooking liquids ( namely booze ) doesn't work in DF 0.31 unless it was fixed in .04 but I doubt it was, same should apply to blood. You can turn milk into cheese and then cook it though...
@aorsmith: I believe that blood can be cooked with. No idea re/hunter sleeping. He must just be lazy. ;-) re/Coffins, I have no idea but I've always wondered and been to nervous to try. And finally, healthcare is bugged, so maybe this was a bug? I have no idea really. :/ Sorry I wasn't much help.
As for water evaporating, I'm quite sure that in anything above temperate climates, murky pools will dry out eventually, no matter if they're at 7/7 or 1/7. To test this, just embark on a hot or scorching map with pools, set temperature on and weather off so rain doesn't refill them and you'll notice all the pools dry out and never get refilled unless you turn weather back on and get some rain. Unless I somehow failed to notice that they were empty to begin with? Hmm...
Post by: Rolan7 on May 18, 2010, 12:49:29 am
Murky pools are weird ): I sorta wish rain fell everywhere instead, even (particularly) if that meant an uncovered hole in the ground as an entrance would be a bad idea.
Post by: fenrirfenix on May 18, 2010, 01:52:14 am
Murky pools are weird ): I sorta wish rain fell everywhere instead, even (particularly) if that meant an uncovered hole in the ground as an entrance would be a bad idea.I imagine that could lead to all kinds of bad things. Like the world filling up with water after an extended storm.
Post by: Xelek on May 18, 2010, 02:32:24 am
On a more serious note, although it would probably be a real FPS killer, it would be realistic. Dramatic rain has been know to leave large amounts of water on the ground. Ever heard of monsoon? Yeah... All it would take is a hatch on top of the stairs or a bridge/doors/floodgates to seal the entrance to avoid having too much fun with the water.
Post by: Shade-o on May 18, 2010, 02:58:37 am
They are not exactly occupying the bed. In fact, other dwarves routinely use it.
They have had a bruised spine (the lightest wound), and it has not healed. This is the only injury aside from the missing arm.
They have had no status change at all. It has been many, many years, and they have never been fed or watered. Nonetheless, they maintain a 'drowsy' effect which they had when they were set down. They are completely ecstatic about this, even though nothing good has happened to them.
Have I discovered some sort of eternal dwarf that cannot change state?
Post by: Rolan7 on May 18, 2010, 10:07:57 am
Playing 40D, I have a Royal Guard who has been grievously wounded, losing their shoulder and everything attached. They were put to bed some time ago, but it has been strange ever since.
They are not exactly occupying the bed. In fact, other dwarves routinely use it.
They have had a bruised spine (the lightest wound), and it has not healed. This is the only injury aside from the missing arm.
They have had no status change at all. It has been many, many years, and they have never been fed or watered. Nonetheless, they maintain a 'drowsy' effect which they had when they were set down. They are completely ecstatic about this, even though nothing good has happened to them.
Have I discovered some sort of eternal dwarf that cannot change state?
That's clearly a bug, but a very interesting one. Does anyone know how to reproduce it?
I ask because I'm very interested in whether this dwarf-in-stasis can prevent the fortress from ever being destroyed. In fact, could you post your save please?
Post by: Shaostoul on May 18, 2010, 02:17:57 pm
Post by: Flaede on May 18, 2010, 04:08:43 pm
That is new.
Post by: Kruz on May 18, 2010, 04:10:11 pm
Post by: Flaede on May 18, 2010, 04:12:26 pm
also (I think) numpad 5 and shift + numpad 5
Post by: Kruz on May 18, 2010, 04:13:00 pm
Post by: Shade-o on May 18, 2010, 06:20:55 pm
That's clearly a bug, but a very interesting one. Does anyone know how to reproduce it?
I ask because I'm very interested in whether this dwarf-in-stasis can prevent the fortress from ever being destroyed. In fact, could you post your save please?
I wouldn't do that, since I am using an unholy combination of my own modding products to change almost everything. The only change to Dwarves is just a little bit of DamBlock (it's a dangerous world). I doubt that's what is causing it though.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 18, 2010, 06:25:42 pm
Knocking them out with cave-in dust usually solves the problem.
Post by: fenrirfenix on May 18, 2010, 06:43:57 pm
Post by: Halo on May 18, 2010, 08:08:38 pm
Post by: Mendtos on May 18, 2010, 08:16:07 pm
Post by: Keuran on May 18, 2010, 08:21:02 pm
A herd of elephants just wandered by my fort and I found myself in dire need of war elephants. How do I tame animals? The 'tame large animal' option for the kennels doesn't seem to do anything.You have to build cage traps to catch them first. Make sure your elephants are in cages and you have an animal trainer that isn't doing anything.
Does it matter if you build a road chunk by chunk, or does it all have to be built at once?If you're building actual paved roads, having chunks might be unsightly with the building menu, but otherwise it doesn't make any difference.
Post by: Mendtos on May 18, 2010, 08:21:50 pm
So.. my craftsdorf is acting fey and is demanding stone bars and body parts. I slaughtered a bull, made a ton of stone blocks, some iron bars, and am preparing some turtles right now to get some shells. If this doesn't appease him is there any hope or should I just lock the door and slate it as a bug?
The shells did it. Thanks for anyone who was on the way with a reply!
Post by: Rolan7 on May 18, 2010, 08:43:49 pm
A herd of elephants just wandered by my fort and I found myself in dire need of war elephants. How do I tame animals? The 'tame large animal' option for the kennels doesn't seem to do anything.You have to build cage traps to catch them first. Make sure your elephants are in cages and you have an animal trainer that isn't doing anything.
Then if you want to train them into literal War Elephants, you'll need to give them the [TRAINABLE] or [TRAINABLE_WAR] token in creature_large_tropical.txt (they're the first animal).
Surprisingly to me, elephants are tamable without even a dungeon master! I'm not experienced with taming.
Post by: infernalis on May 19, 2010, 09:27:36 am
1. What can u milk exactly(i.e. pet cows)?
2. Sometime a simple job, like (b)uild -> (c)hair will get suspended infinetely, even though the dwarf responsible has the chair ""on him" and it's status is 'no job'. A bug?
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 19, 2010, 11:30:44 am
Post by: hjd_uk on May 19, 2010, 11:55:36 am
A herd of elephants just wandered by my fort and I found myself in dire need of war elephants. How do I tame animals? The 'tame large animal' option for the kennels doesn't seem to do anything.
So far I found that "train-war-animal" only trains stray dogs, no matter how many tame Wolves / Camels / X I have in stock (even if i have no free dogs). Bummer :( . I assume you used to be able to make a War-Anything if it was tame?
*EDIT* Sorry this is for 2010, missed other thread.
Post by: Shangurath on May 19, 2010, 12:16:47 pm
Post by: infernalis on May 19, 2010, 01:17:41 pm
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 19, 2010, 03:09:37 pm
A herd of elephants just wandered by my fort and I found myself in dire need of war elephants. How do I tame animals? The 'tame large animal' option for the kennels doesn't seem to do anything.
So far I found that "train-war-animal" only trains stray dogs, no matter how many tame Wolves / Camels / X I have in stock (even if i have no free dogs). Bummer :( . I assume you used to be able to make a War-Anything if it was tame?
*EDIT* Sorry this is for 2010, missed other thread.
Train War Dog will turn any animal with the appropriate tag that is not caged and is tame into a War -foo-. Not all animals can become War Animals.
Post by: infernalis on May 19, 2010, 03:24:10 pm
Post by: Diablous on May 19, 2010, 03:24:45 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on May 19, 2010, 03:25:35 pm
A dwarf in fey mood demands gems. I want to keep the dorf, so I need to find some real quick. Is there any programme that could help me with it? I.e. by removing 'fog of earth' :)?
There is indeed, it is called "Reveal":
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Utilities#Reveal
There you will find download links and instructions.
Alternatively, check out the stones section (for 40d) and see if you have layers of rock likely to contain gems, then do exploratory mining into those layers.
Edit: Kudos to Diablous for answering that other question within 35 seconds of it being asked.
Post by: Mimir on May 19, 2010, 04:08:37 pm
Post by: infernalis on May 19, 2010, 04:28:17 pm
You get planting skill from harvesting, which is set to be done by all.Set? No by me. I checked.
Post by: Diablous on May 19, 2010, 04:31:19 pm
@Rolan: thx :)You get planting skill from harvesting, which is set to be done by all.Set? No by me. I checked.
It is by default set to have all dwarves harvest. Did you check the (o)rders screen?
Post by: infernalis on May 20, 2010, 08:29:30 am
Btw, in 31.04 my world gen took 600yrs until I got bored and stopped it. How long max can it go on?
Post by: The Architect on May 20, 2010, 08:53:10 am
Post by: Rolan7 on May 20, 2010, 10:24:46 am
@Diablous: Not really. Didn't get to that menu yet;
Btw, in 31.04 my world gen took 600yrs until I got bored and stopped it. How long max can it go on?
World gen in 31.04 is taking a much longer than it's supposed to, probably as a result of the graphical merge; it's the sort of bug they were expecting. It's been reported to Toady and it'll probably be fixed soon, if it isn't already. I just let it run for a few minutes. You could also gen a world with 31.03 then open it with 31.04 if you want, or change the world parameters The Architect mentioned.
Post by: infernalis on May 20, 2010, 11:50:27 am
The limit is set in the world parameters. The default is 1050 years, and it generally reaches that. Walk away for a while if your computer takes too long for your patience. It shouldn't take more than a minute to generate a world with a functional modern computer, but not everyone is that lucky.
Hrrroompff!
Post by: Spider on May 20, 2010, 01:28:16 pm
Post by: Kruz on May 20, 2010, 02:12:16 pm
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Post by: Rolan7 on May 20, 2010, 03:14:10 pm
Are there creatures in the magma sea?
Sorry, this thread is for 40d only (though unfortunately it's not marked as such). There's a different thread for 2010 questions.
You might want to say your question is 2010 related then spoiler it, or just remove it.
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Post by: scira on May 20, 2010, 04:09:50 pm
Also, how important do you feel it is for the dorfs to have a preference for whatever it is they make?
Post by: BradB on May 20, 2010, 05:53:52 pm
Do falling objects other than stones hurt things?
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 20, 2010, 08:29:42 pm
No falling objects can hurt anything ever. Falling floors and walls are a different story, in that they kill everything in their way.
This is kind of a two part question, What do you feel is the best or fastest way to make legendary weapon or armorsmiths, work their skill piece by piece, or make a bunch of peasants into the appropriate smith and hope for a mood, or maybe some other way?
Also, how important do you feel it is for the dorfs to have a preference for whatever it is they make?
If you have a lot of ore, like if you come across several clusters of magnetite, you can usually afford to train your armorsmiths and weaponsmiths by piece by piece. If you have an armorsmith already at your fort, it will save time training him up than starting from a random peasant. Note that chain leggings and giant axe blades return half a bar back when you melt them, thus making them the best items to use for training up metalworkers.
Having a bunch of peasants make one piece of armor can also give you a legendary armorsmith fairly quickly, although sometimes you don't want to wait for one to get a mood.
Preferences are important, as they improve the quality level of items a dwarf makes if he works with materials he prefers or he makes an item he prefers. If he makes an item he prefers out of a material he prefers, the effects stack.
Post by: infernalis on May 21, 2010, 06:38:52 am
Show me the way!
Post by: Urist McOverlord on May 21, 2010, 08:49:06 am
I'd like my 40d unicorns to be tameable AND war-trainable.
Show me the way!
Open up the raws file with unicorns (creatures-----.txt), go under the unicorn heading and add in (anywhere) "[PET]" or "[PET_EXOTIC]" for tameable, and throw on "[TRAINABLE]" or "[TRAINABLE_WAR]" for war trainableness.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 21, 2010, 10:53:14 am
[PET_EXOTIC] makes your unicorns only able to be tamed with the arrival of the dungeon master. [PET] will make them tamable by anyone.
Post by: Urist McOverlord on May 21, 2010, 12:59:02 pm
And yeah. [PET_EXOTIC] means you'll need a DM. but you can actually get those in 40d, so it's not a problem.
Post by: infernalis on May 21, 2010, 02:48:24 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 21, 2010, 02:49:44 pm
Post by: infernalis on May 21, 2010, 04:39:22 pm
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 22, 2010, 10:18:54 am
Army size: 20 should be more than enough, with good equipment and skills they can waste anything.
As to capturing unicorns or other creatures, other options than cage traps exist. The easiest ones is to either lure the creatures into a walled of enclosure somehow and then close of the entrance they came through, using drawbridge/floodgates etc. or make a pit with a retractable bridge over it and pull the lever/make pressure plates so that the creature fall in when it is standing on the bridge and it retracts.
Post by: Rolan7 on May 22, 2010, 12:23:53 pm
As to capturing unicorns or other creatures, other options than cage traps exist. The easiest ones is to either lure the creatures into a walled of enclosure somehow and then close of the entrance they came through, using drawbridge/floodgates etc. or make a pit with a retractable bridge over it and pull the lever/make pressure plates so that the creature fall in when it is standing on the bridge and it retracts.
Except he wants to tame and train them, so they need to be caged. Unless dwarfs try to tame stunned creatures, which I doubt (:
Post by: Demonic Spoon on May 22, 2010, 01:02:57 pm
Post by: Shangurath on May 23, 2010, 12:18:46 am
2) Is it possible to force a dwarf to make furniture from a particular material? I mean 'only mudstone' for example
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 23, 2010, 12:21:12 am
Post by: Rolan7 on May 23, 2010, 01:42:39 am
2) Is it possible to force a dwarf to make furniture from a particular material? I mean 'only mudstone' for example
They'll usually use the nearest material, maybe always. To be sure though, you can forbid every material but the one you want used. Alternatively, make a small area with the workshop and a stockpile of the material, and lock the dwarf in there.
Really you should be fine if you make a stockpile of the desired material right next to the workshop.
Post by: Shangurath on May 23, 2010, 01:55:48 am
Post by: Atlar on May 23, 2010, 07:35:44 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 23, 2010, 07:37:24 am
On the noble screen, scroll to the bookkeeper, and hit 's'. This will bring you to the accuracy settings.
If you've already done that, can he access his office?
Post by: Atlar on May 23, 2010, 07:44:49 am
Thanks!
Post by: discosteve on May 23, 2010, 02:51:33 pm
A caravan will not come to my depot. If I shift-D it says my depot is accessible. Actually I tried shifting an apparently accessible depot to a different spot just to see if that helped, but still no Dwarven caravan has come, or any other caravan for that matter.
This is my third fortress, I started it because no caravans would come to my second fortress either. My first fortress did have caravans coming by, but of course because it was my first fortress it was logistically a complete piece of crap.
What the hell was I doing so they would come to me originally, but not now?
Post by: Sphalerite on May 23, 2010, 03:47:49 pm
Post by: Marcan on May 23, 2010, 04:33:29 pm
2) Is it possible to force a dwarf to make furniture from a particular material? I mean 'only mudstone' for example
They'll usually use the nearest material, maybe always. To be sure though, you can forbid every material but the one you want used.
I recently read that if you forbid every materials, every workshops that were built using forbidden materials will stop working as well? Is that true?
Post by: Marcan on May 23, 2010, 04:35:02 pm
It seems that EVERY time I assign diggers to channel, part of the cavern collapses and now of my legendaries got wounded and is now resting.
Thanks!
Post by: Lord Shonus on May 23, 2010, 05:19:37 pm
Yeah, that's how it works. You can unforbid the individual workshops though. THe best way is to stockpile the stone you want nearby and seal the mason in with it. They only use stone they can get to.2) Is it possible to force a dwarf to make furniture from a particular material? I mean 'only mudstone' for example
They'll usually use the nearest material, maybe always. To be sure though, you can forbid every material but the one you want used.
I recently read that if you forbid every materials, every workshops that were built using forbidden materials will stop working as well? Is that true?
Post by: Nova72 on May 23, 2010, 07:38:51 pm
Post by: Nova72 on May 23, 2010, 10:01:48 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 23, 2010, 10:14:54 pm
About your gneiss problem: did you reclaim the map you're on?
Anything tasked (on the jobs menu) on abandon will be unusable and unmovable on reclaim.
Post by: Shangurath on May 24, 2010, 12:34:56 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 24, 2010, 01:29:21 am
If an animal [CAN_SPEAK], I believe they need food and water. In vanilla 40d, there aren't any tamable creatures that have this tag, but in 31.0x apparently you can get tame animalmen from the elves.
Post by: LegitMacgyver on May 24, 2010, 01:34:09 am
If I chain a wardog to restraints won't it die? It needs to eat and drink probably?
No, animals do not eat or drink.
Post by: The Architect on May 24, 2010, 02:36:27 am
If I chain a wardog to restraints won't it die? It needs to eat and drink probably?
No, animals do not eat or drink.
One of those little things down at the bottom of Toady's list: a system for feeding animals seems to be considered tedious micromanagement for the player. I haven't been around long enough to be able to say this with certainty, but I haven't heard it mentioned at all.
Post by: Shangurath on May 24, 2010, 06:35:54 am
Post by: Upuaut on May 24, 2010, 10:37:28 am
I have a little question. When I start DF (V0 31 03) I have the options Continue Playing, Create New World Now!, Design New World With Parameters, Object testing Arena and Quit. Ok so far. But Is it possible to start a new fortress in a generated World that already has a running fortress in it? Meaning: I generated a world, started a fortress, left the program, started again and now I want to start another fortress in the same world - is this possible? I ask because I can´t find a start option for creating a new fortress, only new worlds.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Upuaut
Post by: Nova72 on May 24, 2010, 10:38:37 am
Spears are one handed weapons. They can be used with a shield.
About your gneiss problem: did you reclaim the map you're on?
Anything tasked (on the jobs menu) on abandon will be unusable and unmovable on reclaim.
Thanks for the answer on spears. Yes, I did reclaim the map, is there any way to fix it and get rid of the gneiss?
Post by: Rolan7 on May 24, 2010, 10:50:30 am
Hello,
I have a little question. When I start DF (V0 31 03) I have the options Continue Playing, Create New World Now!, Design New World With Parameters, Object testing Arena and Quit. Ok so far. But Is it possible to start a new fortress in a generated World that already has a running fortress in it? Meaning: I generated a world, started a fortress, left the program, started again and now I want to start another fortress in the same world - is this possible? I ask because I can´t find a start option for creating a new fortress, only new worlds.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Upuaut
Right now, no, unfortunately. Only one fortress can be running at a time in a given world. If you abandon that fortress, the option to start playing will reappear and you can choose that world, and you'll have the additional option of reclaiming the abandoned site. Or building a new fortress elsewhere.
It's an unfortunate limitation, but one I'm sure Toady plans on removing in the future as the non-worldgen interactions between sites are implemented/improved.
Post by: Upuaut on May 24, 2010, 11:15:24 am
Thank you very much. So perhaps in the future.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 24, 2010, 11:26:00 am
Thanks for the answer on spears. Yes, I did reclaim the map, is there any way to fix it and get rid of the gneiss?
Try channeling out the tile below it. That gets it unstuck, usually.
Post by: frostilicus on May 24, 2010, 01:36:53 pm
What happens if you destroy all civilizations in adventure mode, then start a game in dwarf fortress mode for that same region?
Post by: SheepishOne on May 24, 2010, 03:07:34 pm
Here's one:You'll embark just fine, but won't receive any benefits of having civs in the game--like trading.
What happens if you destroy all civilizations in adventure mode, then start a game in dwarf fortress mode for that same region?
Post by: frostilicus on May 24, 2010, 03:47:53 pm
Neat. Good to know.... Has anyone does this or is this just assumed?Here's one: What happens if you destroy all civilizations in adventure mode, then start a game in dwarf fortress mode for that same region?You'll embark just fine, but won't receive any benefits of having civs in the game--like trading.
Post by: Rolan7 on May 24, 2010, 04:41:17 pm
Neat. Good to know.... Has anyone does this or is this just assumed?Here's one: What happens if you destroy all civilizations in adventure mode, then start a game in dwarf fortress mode for that same region?You'll embark just fine, but won't receive any benefits of having civs in the game--like trading.
What you describe is the wonderful "Age of Death". More information on the Ages is here:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Calendar#Ages
In this thread, it was actually accomplished and thoroughly tested, for Dwarven Science:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=46033.0
Including the Age of Emptiness which is
Post by: frostilicus on May 24, 2010, 05:23:40 pm
Does anyone know what is different between the Age of Emptiness and the Age of Death?Neat. Good to know.... Has anyone does this or is this just assumed?Here's one: What happens if you destroy all civilizations in adventure mode, then start a game in dwarf fortress mode for that same region?You'll embark just fine, but won't receive any benefits of having civs in the game--like trading.
What you describe is the wonderful "Age of Death". More information on the Ages is here:
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/40d:Calendar#Ages
In this thread, it was actually accomplished and thoroughly tested, for Dwarven Science:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=46033.0
Including the Age of Emptiness which is *even worse*.
Post by: Diablous on May 24, 2010, 05:25:14 pm
Age of Emptiness: No sentient beings alive.
Post by: ac3y on May 24, 2010, 06:14:43 pm
I have a ton of barrels with Plump helmet x1 in them and I think this is horrifically inefficient.
Post by: Rolan7 on May 24, 2010, 06:39:55 pm
I suggest setting the number of barrels for all non-drink stockpiles to 0. Critters get at the food easier, but that's really a non-issue, and otherwise I often run out of barrels for drinks. The dwarves won't reclaim the barrels immediately, but they shouldn't fill them with more food, and eventually the food will be eaten and the barrels moved.
Post by: scira on May 24, 2010, 08:38:52 pm
But how are the weapons in 40d? is there a best/worst? If i would use hammers would it be like the stories I've read about totally disabled enemies that I am unable to kill?
Post by: The Architect on May 24, 2010, 08:42:17 pm
Post by: Shangurath on May 25, 2010, 12:31:17 am
Post by: The Architect on May 25, 2010, 10:03:24 am
To start an underground tree farm I just need to make some underground area muddy?
You need to open the caverns first, or in this case (this is a .40d thread!!) you need to find an underground pool or river.
Post by: ancistrus on May 27, 2010, 06:40:55 pm
Post by: scira on May 27, 2010, 07:18:18 pm
So anyway, is there something I am missing to make sieges not happen? And also is there a way i can get more creatures to spawn on a map at a time?
Nevermind the second one, embarking with a chasm solved that.
Post by: Shangurath on May 28, 2010, 12:29:39 pm
Post by: scira on May 28, 2010, 02:04:39 pm
Post by: Smew on May 28, 2010, 02:08:11 pm
Yup, which makes for fun flinging/dropping caravans that annoy you.Not quite, wagons completely ignore the laws of physics, if you try to fling them, well, it's more hilarious to see it for yourself, but you basically end up with floating wagons.
Post by: Nova72 on May 28, 2010, 07:18:21 pm
Post by: Shangurath on May 30, 2010, 09:35:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02AMAnEDg0w&feature=PlayList&p=5A3D7682BDD48FC2&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=25
Are there special buildings or designations for this, or the only way to dig down is to make stairs?
Post by: Osmosis Jones on May 30, 2010, 09:36:06 am
Post by: Shangurath on May 30, 2010, 09:40:23 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 30, 2010, 09:45:59 am
Later on if you want you can channel them away by designating a channel on the top, then when it's finished, the layer below it, and so on.
Getting your miner out of there might be an issue, since he will no longer have stairs to climb out.
Post by: infernalis on May 30, 2010, 10:57:26 am
also: when ordering a caged raccoon to a pit pond zone, where a new cage is prepped for it... the raccoon sets free.
Please sb explain this to me.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 30, 2010, 11:00:10 am
If you want to move creatures between cages, you need to assign them to the specific cage from the building menu, which defaults to 'q'.
Post by: infernalis on May 30, 2010, 11:20:15 am
When building anything, you can press 'x' to get a specific list of items instead of a general one by material. You can use this to pick out masterpiece quality furniture, or a cage holding a specific creature.
If you want to move creatures between cages, you need to assign them to the specific cage from the building menu, which defaults to 'q'.
Thanks, that's helpfull; the second problem (raccoon escapology) occurs I-dont-know-why. Gobos are calm when transported from cage to cage.
Post by: Jim Groovester on May 30, 2010, 11:21:26 am
Wild animals and thieves will try to escape if you move them from their cages.
Post by: infernalis on May 30, 2010, 11:40:55 am
I'm guessing the raccoons aren't tame.
Wild animals and thieves will try to escape if you move them from their cages.
I checked goblins in creature_standard: figures they have both Trainable and Pet features :D
How do I train them :)?
Post by: Smew on May 30, 2010, 11:53:08 am
You cannot, as they are a civilization.I'm guessing the raccoons aren't tame.
Wild animals and thieves will try to escape if you move them from their cages.
I checked goblins in creature_standard: figures they have both Trainable and Pet features :D
How do I train them :)?
Post by: Shangurath on June 04, 2010, 12:54:31 am
2) How can I chose what item should be smelt?
3) Is it possible to tame a wild animal? 'Catch' in kennels' menu means to kill it (dwarf starts to hunt)
4) Why do you need dye, cloth, soap, glass? Isn't it useless? Well I think I'm just stuck in the game. I have everything that dwarves need, the fortress is well-guarded and there is no danger. I do not need to find magma because I can trade or cut enough wood, I don't need any waterwheels or windmills because I don't need any power because I don't need any pumps or screw pumps. I don't need anything and the game loses fun to me really
Post by: The Architect on June 04, 2010, 02:13:54 am
2. You must mark an item for melting with "m", either by looking at it with "k" or using the stock menu with "z".
3. Wild animals must be caught in cage traps. Your dwarf's hunting has nothing to do with the order to catch land animals. See the wiki.
4. The game doesn't have a goal like "make it through so-and-so" or "survive this long". You can do what you want. Whether you care to build a giant glass tower and whether it matters if your dwarves go naked is entirely your responsibility. You get enjoyment out of it by making and achieving your own goals. If you want to hole up and wait out sieges, that's up to you. You can even turn many features off if you don't want them. Do what you want to do, and enjoy the features of the game like letting your dwarves fight your enemies or setting elaborate traps for them.
5. (Bonus!) Check the wiki before asking questions. The answers for all of these things are there, and usually very easy to find. The reason for the wiki is to allow experienced players to lay all of the information out once in a single easy-to-find place, instead of repeating it for every new player. We're all glad to help with the difficult questions, but please do some searching first ;)
Post by: culwin on June 04, 2010, 04:15:39 am
Post by: Lord Shonus on June 04, 2010, 05:44:30 am
Post by: infernalis on June 04, 2010, 01:11:11 pm
I have his right hand (it says: Gozru Ong.... right hand, in yellow font) on the ground next to my chained doggy.
Post by: DangerHelvetica on June 05, 2010, 11:17:27 am
Post by: infernalis on June 06, 2010, 04:05:21 am
I've read the wiki and still there's a wee problem: noone cleans my weapon traps from all the goblin loot/body parts/bones/blood.
I have a refuse pile, no editing on it, it should work. I also dedicated another pile just for gobos. And I see my dorfs with burial/refuse/cleaning labors prefer to attend parties than to actually work on those tasks.
WTF?
Post by: Kidiri on June 06, 2010, 04:48:08 am
Post by: Slazia on June 06, 2010, 09:51:52 am
Post by: subbes on June 06, 2010, 10:31:29 am
Then check: do you have seeds? You can check this through the [z] stocks menu. Your dwarves may nom on seeds if they like to eat them, or your kitchen may cook seeds if you have selected that in the [z] kitchen menu (I recommend you don't, until your fort is more established).
Then, if you're playing .31: have you irrigated the field?
Post by: Slazia on June 06, 2010, 11:12:15 am
Post by: Lord Shonus on June 06, 2010, 11:33:41 am
Post by: infernalis on June 06, 2010, 01:00:13 pm
What would you rather do? Go to an insane party with all of your friends, booze and a couple of ☼golden statues☼, or remove goblin crud from traps? Remove the zone where they're partying (table, well, statue, zoo) and they should go to work. Turn them off as meeting areas and it should be fine.
Wrong. What I had to do is to press d-b-d and then c (reclaim items/buildings); and that's the thing: why dead goblins' possessions are 'forbidden' by default?
Post by: subbes on June 06, 2010, 01:52:57 pm
You can turn claiming/forbidding of death items on or off in the Orders menu.
Post by: bluephoenix on June 07, 2010, 02:51:03 am
The thing is I want to add it to the BC and other creatures.
Post by: infernalis on June 07, 2010, 05:50:09 am
To stop all your peasants and farmers and legendary masons from running out onto the battlefield to grab a *narrow cave spider silk sock* and getting themselves slaughtered.
You can turn claiming/forbidding of death items on or off in the Orders menu.
Thanks, just got around to that menu and I gotta tell you, it does a couple of nice tricks.
Post by: Sphalerite on June 07, 2010, 10:08:51 am
I wonder, does the [SEVERONBREAKS] tag work in v31.05?[SEVERONBREAKS] no longer exists in 31.0x. This is part of the reason that BC are nigh-unkillable now.
The thing is I want to add it to the BC and other creatures.
Post by: Snook on June 07, 2010, 11:43:31 am
I'm in 40d if it matters.
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 07, 2010, 11:45:10 am
Post by: infernalis on June 07, 2010, 12:17:56 pm
Post by: Snook on June 07, 2010, 01:30:59 pm
Go to the orders menu and set "All Dwarves Harvest" to "Only Farmers Harvest."
Thank you so, so much.
Post by: nickbii on June 07, 2010, 03:39:11 pm
Read Boatmurdered:What would you rather do? Go to an insane party with all of your friends, booze and a couple of ☼golden statues☼, or remove goblin crud from traps? Remove the zone where they're partying (table, well, statue, zoo) and they should go to work. Turn them off as meeting areas and it should be fine.
Wrong. What I had to do is to press d-b-d and then c (reclaim items/buildings); and that's the thing: why dead goblins' possessions are 'forbidden' by default?
http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Boatmurdered/
That was a fort played in the very first version of Dwarf Fortress, which only had one Z-Level. Elephants brought it to it's knees when one of the rulers forgot to refill the cage traps. As a result the elephants got through, killed one guy, and dozens more ran to their deaths in an effort to get his stuff.
IIRC, in a truly Boatmurdered twist, the player could tried to lock the gates, but failed. Apparently a dead butterfly was in the way.
Post by: ZenSaw on June 07, 2010, 04:04:38 pm
Also, in the same fortress, I've discovered some sort of large underground water pocket. It appears to be a cavern or whatever, though as my first foray into 31.xx I'm very unfamiliar with how these work. It is only 3 z-layers tall, about 2 z-layers under the surface, and has a sort of winding shape connected to the edge of the map. I've made a well from the top of it and in the civilization screen it says there is some sort of aquatic neutral civilization around.
My question is how do I reveal it? I once tried to dig into the water pocket and managed to slowly flood my entire fortress. I restarted from an earlier save and did not try this again. Since it is connected to the edge of the map and appears to be completely full of water and connected to the edge of the map, will it ever drain. If so, is pumping the best option? Is that random aquatic civ in the pocket? Will the have "fun" if I pump out all the water?
Post by: nickbii on June 07, 2010, 05:09:18 pm
Water does appear in caverns, but when you break through to one of those you get a special message. They have water, but it's not usually enough t flood a fortress. They (mostly) appear 10+ levels under the surface, too, but aquifers appear 2 Z-Levels down sometimes.
Try breaking into it from the top. If the hole immediately fills up with water, and you get no message, it's just an aquifer. If you get a hole over open space, and a message, you've found the cavern. The animal-men might be there, but they might be in a different cavern altogether. The cavern networks are massive.
BTW, when you find the animal men they won't be nuetral. They'll be "Hostile," and they'll try to kill you.
Post by: shoowop on June 07, 2010, 06:05:36 pm
Since I switched to .03 (and related versions, for questions sake) all I've heard about is the rough time people are having with military, frankly it's scared me from making a decent military. My last fort I was able to get a few squads up, a few of them got caught in infinite training loops, others just wouldn't train at all. It was trial and error, and I can accept a few confusing areas but I'd just like to know, I heard alot of the problems come from the schedules you can assign them (which I avoided just because of that reason) but I didn't really get a majoral opinion on it.
Should I be setting training schedules for my squads, or just stick to assigning them to train, equip and sleep at specific barracks? or all of this?
Just any advice in general would be grandy dandy
also what's the difference between squad equip and individual equip for the barrack's?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 07, 2010, 06:56:04 pm
I'd like to understand how exactly to edit the siege options in 40d. What files/ tags / values..
What do you have in mind?
If you want to turn off invasions, just go to init.txt and turn [INVADERS:OFF].
All other siege related options are in entity_default.txt. To summarize quickly, the [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_?:?] tags control when other entities arrive on your map (with the numbers referring to your fortress level, i.e., hamlet, village, town, city, metropolis). [AMBUSHER] makes invaders arrive in ambush mode, like elves or goblin ambushes, [SIEGER] makes everybody mill around for a while before they decide to make a charge to your fort, and [BABY_SNATCHER] makes them act like goblins.
Post by: Shangurath on June 08, 2010, 06:06:52 am
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 08, 2010, 03:12:05 pm
As for your broker and the liaison, you need to free up some time for your broker to meet with him. Once they work out the export and import agreements, the liaison will leave. This happens independently of the caravan leaving.
Post by: SethCreiyd on June 08, 2010, 03:15:51 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 08, 2010, 04:24:48 pm
They'll avoid low traffic and restricted zones if possible, but if they're ordered to move into zone itself they will.
Post by: Haus Party on June 08, 2010, 09:52:15 pm
Post by: Snook on June 08, 2010, 11:26:22 pm
Post by: infernalis on June 09, 2010, 08:54:28 am
Do traffic restrictions affect pathing for military dwarves with move orders? Thanks Jim.
Traffic restrictions? What's tha?
Post by: Haus Party on June 09, 2010, 10:28:18 am
Post by: SethCreiyd on June 09, 2010, 12:31:55 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2010, 12:32:24 pm
So I've been making lye so that I can stock my hospital with soap. The lye always ends up in a bucket, however the soap maker needs a barrel of lye to begin his work. How do I transfer the lie from the bucket to a barrel?
It happens automatically, I think. Just make sure you have space in a food stockpile capable of storing lye, and just wait for the dwarves to pour the lye into buckets.
Do traffic restrictions affect pathing for military dwarves with move orders? Thanks Jim.
Traffic restrictions? What's tha?
On the designations menu, there's an option for traffic zones. You can make dwarves avoid or prefer certain pathways that you designate.
One more thing: bandages. How and where do I make them?
If I recall correctly in my recent tinkering with 31.0x, bandages are just pieces of cloth that your medical dwarves cut on their own. I'm not sure if you can make them on your own.
Post by: infernalis on June 09, 2010, 01:30:34 pm
Now about mechanics & masonry skill increase.
I noticed that masonry does not increase from building walls. Strength or whatnot prolly does, but not the skill.
How is it with mechanisms making - does it increase masonry, mechanics or nada?
Does setting traps / putting things like cages into traps increase mechanics?
:)
Post by: dsvoid on June 09, 2010, 01:33:45 pm
QUESTION 2: Like I said, I have a still. What do I need to make brews, anyway?
QUESTION 3: Farming sounds a bit discouraging for me right now. What plants are actually useful to grow?
Post by: Cespinarve on June 09, 2010, 01:42:27 pm
QUESTION 1: I just started playing and finally have a sustainable dwarf camp in place. I heard that barrels prevented food from rotting in the game, so I decided to build a few for the fishing and butcher's shop, as well as the still. However, whenever I want to place them, I can't find them in the building menu. I thought it would be in "containers" or something. What's going on?
QUESTION 2: Like I said, I have a still. What do I need to make brews, anyway?
QUESTION 3: Farming sounds a bit discouraging for me right now. What plants are actually useful to grow?
Q1: You can't place barrels. Simply designate a food stockpile, and your Dwarves will put the barrels there and add the food.
Q2: To brew, you need someone with the brewer labour, an empty barbell, and a brewable plant. If you go to the z menu, and selct 'Kitchen', you can see what items are marked as being brewable. Don't change those settings, just learn what the plants are.
Q3: Plump Helmets, to start with. They're the best for brewing.
Post by: infernalis on June 09, 2010, 01:53:38 pm
QUESTION 3: Farming sounds a bit discouraging for me right now. What plants are actually useful to grow?
It only gets hard when you try to farm too much - you need a 4x4 plot for starters, farm plump helmets every season and brew them for 2 minutes every half hour and you should be allright.
For plants, read: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Crops
It's all there.
Post by: dsvoid on June 09, 2010, 02:00:59 pm
QUESTION 4: I'm getting an underground farm built, but how do I get my dwarves to gather water and dump it on soil? I have 2 buckets.
Post by: Cespinarve on June 09, 2010, 02:04:00 pm
Post by: Aravin on June 09, 2010, 02:23:09 pm
Post by: infernalis on June 09, 2010, 02:27:01 pm
Ah, there's the little snag. As far as I know, you can't. To muddy the soil, what I do is usually right next to a lake underground, put in a floodgate and then chanel to the lake floods the room (not a big lake, mind you). Or you can pump water up from depths, and some people have been farming in the caverns, although I havn't played enough of DF2010 to do so.
HERESY! This is a 40d topic! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! :)
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 09, 2010, 02:28:50 pm
Thanks for the traffic zones info.
Now about mechanics & masonry skill increase.
I noticed that masonry does not increase from building walls. Strength or whatnot prolly does, but not the skill.
How is it with mechanisms making - does it increase masonry, mechanics or nada?
Does setting traps / putting things like cages into traps increase mechanics?
:)
Anything from the construction menu does not increase strength or skill or attributes. These are useful skills to give to peasants if you want a lot of things built but don't want an army of masons when you're done.
Anything from the trap menu gives experience, however, as well as anything involving architecture. Anything that needs to be designed to be built gives skill and experience.
Btw, get this: my legendary record keeper is updating records. While doing so, he 'becomes more experienced'. WTFudge?
"More experienced" refers to attributes, such as strength, speed, and toughness. When you get that message, one of those attributes increases, because jobs still give out experience and track skill for legendary workers. This only applies to 40d, however.
Got a question. Recently i builded up a hospital and put there 3 beds. Since that time, none of my dwarves sleep in assigned bedrooms (which are grand and royal). Instead of sleeping in personal palaces, they go and sleep in hospital and get a "slept without a proper room" thought. My can I make them stop sleeping in hospital zone?
If the economy's been activated, they may not be able to afford the rooms you've built for them, so they sleep in available beds.
Post by: Aravin on June 09, 2010, 02:33:38 pm
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If the economy's been activated, they may not be able to afford the rooms you've built for them, so they sleep in available beds.
My population is 45, and the economy isn't activated. And before installing hospital near the living part of new fortress, they all slept in their royal and grand bedrooms. I mean, really they can't every time sleep at hospital, cause there are just 3 beds, but it's pretty annoying to loose such good thought bonus.
Post by: Cespinarve on June 09, 2010, 02:51:42 pm
Ah, there's the little snag. As far as I know, you can't. To muddy the soil, what I do is usually right next to a lake underground, put in a floodgate and then chanel to the lake floods the room (not a big lake, mind you). Or you can pump water up from depths, and some people have been farming in the caverns, although I havn't played enough of DF2010 to do so.
HERESY! This is a 40d topic! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! :)
This is 40d topic?
Post by: Miggy on June 09, 2010, 02:52:03 pm
Although, funnily enough, I've found that when dwarves collapse in hospital beds from exhaustion, my doctors will still come and diagnose him, and diagnose him with fatigue or something. It's not actually something I've seen them do, but my fort's medical history shows all sorts of dwarves diagnosed with over-exertion, thirst and hunger. :P
Post by: Aravin on June 09, 2010, 03:34:41 pm
Your dwarves most likely just work themselves to the point of exhaustion, then choose the closest bed, no matter which room it is in.
Although, funnily enough, I've found that when dwarves collapse in hospital beds from exhaustion, my doctors will still come and diagnose him, and diagnose him with fatigue or something. It's not actually something I've seen them do, but my fort's medical history shows all sorts of dwarves diagnosed with over-exertion, thirst and hunger. :P
Thought about it too) Silly dorfs) Sleeping at hospital (though pretty rich and good designed) instead of sleeping in their personal palaces)
Post by: infernalis on June 09, 2010, 05:02:06 pm
How did you learn that, btw?
Post by: Flaede on June 09, 2010, 07:39:41 pm
HERESY! This is a 40d topic! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! :)
This is 40d topic?
Yep! 2010 question thread's over here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=52208.0).
Someone should really change the name of this thread.
Post by: infernalis on June 10, 2010, 10:28:04 am
I have a bar pile for my iron.
I change the bin count for the iron pile from 0 to MAX, and the dorfs start taking ALL the iron to bins. On. The. Furniture. Pile.
And then it takes gazzillion years for a dorf to transport the bin full of iron back to the iron pile.
How-what-now?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 10, 2010, 12:52:12 pm
Post by: Rolan7 on June 10, 2010, 01:18:23 pm
HERESY! This is a 40d topic! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! :)
This is 40d topic?
Yep! 2010 question thread's over here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=52208.0).
Someone should really change the name of this thread.
Unfortunately that Someone hasn't signed on for nearly a month ):
Post by: quintilius on June 10, 2010, 01:53:54 pm
That's normal. Just be patient, the bins will be moved to your bar/block stockpile soon enough.
i have noticed some odd bin behavior in .05... after yet another failed gobbo invasion and the suddenly busy scurrying of dwarfs as they run off to loot the scene and place the booty in appropriate and nearby stockpiles, there are times when they will simply stop even though there are bins available. I believe it might have to do with sellling all the crap out of a bin to a visiting merchant, having said bin still be labelled as 'armor' or somesuch, and it somehow being at the top of the queue for 'next available bin' etc... because every so often some bin will get pulled out of the stockpile - and this will open up a floodgate of bins moving to other stockpiles - and all my idle dwarfs will suddenly be busy again.
just a guess on my part though... i'm not really sure what truly causes the behavior
Post by: buzz killington on June 10, 2010, 04:10:52 pm
That's normal. Just be patient, the bins will be moved to your bar/block stockpile soon enough.
i have noticed some odd bin behavior in .05... after yet another failed gobbo invasion and the suddenly busy scurrying of dwarfs as they run off to loot the scene and place the booty in appropriate and nearby stockpiles, there are times when they will simply stop even though there are bins available. I believe it might have to do with sellling all the crap out of a bin to a visiting merchant, having said bin still be labelled as 'armor' or somesuch, and it somehow being at the top of the queue for 'next available bin' etc... because every so often some bin will get pulled out of the stockpile - and this will open up a floodgate of bins moving to other stockpiles - and all my idle dwarfs will suddenly be busy again.
just a guess on my part though... i'm not really sure what truly causes the behavior
I had this happen in .04
Post by: infernalis on June 10, 2010, 06:31:55 pm
That's normal. Just be patient, the bins will be moved to your bar/block stockpile soon enough.
Define normal.
If normal = dwarfy ( = efficient), then this behavior is so far from normal that it went through madness and came out on the other side.
Post by: Vehine on June 10, 2010, 10:58:17 pm
I'm playing the Genesis mod. Some Gargoyles come swooping in to try and pick off my animals. I draft my Wood Cutter and Jeweler into a No Uniform military.
I give them no supply requirements.
I designate that their equipment is supposed to be the BATTLEAXES type. Which is conveniently since they're both doing wood cutting at the time.
The two dwarves go and screw up one of the gargoyles - two left.
They arrive at the cluster of two gargoyles and start punching them. With their fists. Because they dropped their weapons back by Gargoyle #1.
What the hell, man? How am I supposed to defend anything if my dwarves just drop their crap on the floor after one fight? >:(
Post by: The Architect on June 11, 2010, 01:52:22 am
Why are statues attacking your dwarves?
Silly mod.
Post by: Medicine Man on June 11, 2010, 02:07:28 am
Post by: infernalis on June 11, 2010, 04:16:19 am
Get this: My engraver blinged out a nice corridor, which was designated to be a magma pipe for my forges above.
He engraved a few masterpieces in there, too.
VERY soon after I flooded the pipes with magma the engraver started throwing tantrums.
When I checked happiness status, it said: travesty of art defacement.
What to do?
Post by: Flaede on June 11, 2010, 05:53:37 am
I know, I know, that is stupid. But it doesn't make it any less probable.
Post by: Lord Shonus on June 11, 2010, 01:43:56 pm
@Infernalis: Just because he's playing a modded game does not mean he automatically has to ask all questions in the modding forum, especially in cases where it's a clear engine issue.
Post by: infernalis on June 14, 2010, 08:02:47 am
Any good for trap/battle?
Post by: Robocorn on June 14, 2010, 08:13:54 am
hammers deal damage based on the density of the material used
for example, iron has a density of 7850.
bone has a density of 500.
I hope it's nice looking, because it won't be dealing a lot of damage
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on June 14, 2010, 11:53:43 am
Does the mouse no longer work for designating areas to be mined/forested/etc? I already checked init.txt, and the setting there is already [MOUSE:YES]. Is there now another option/keybinding that must be turned on for that to work, or is this a known bug?
Post by: s20dan on June 14, 2010, 01:17:52 pm
Post by: Yagrum Bagarn on June 14, 2010, 01:25:27 pm
Post by: infernalis on June 14, 2010, 02:36:06 pm
according to the raws no,
hammers deal damage based on the density of the material used
for example, iron has a density of 7850.
bone has a density of 500.
I hope it's nice looking, because it won't be dealing a lot of damage
Well. At least it's pink.
Post by: Shangurath on June 18, 2010, 10:24:11 am
2) Is it necessary to make coins? Wiki says that you can manage without them but then what is the idea of having coins in fortress?
3) I built a couple of shops and there are owners of those but still no goods there. What could be the problem?
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4) How can I throw creatures from somewhere? Towers for example
5) Is it possible in DF to dig a deep hole in the ground? For example to throw goblins there instead of building towers? (build a tower by the way? How?)
Post by: The Architect on June 18, 2010, 06:10:45 pm
This site will answer all of those questions with cursory searching, and we won't have to spell out the answers again. If you search well there and can't find the answer to some questions, then come back and post them again.
Post by: Internet Kraken on June 18, 2010, 07:06:02 pm
EDIT: Woops, just noticed this is the 40d thread. I'm playing 2010, my mistake.
Post by: Stik on June 18, 2010, 07:06:51 pm
Darn, along with the above post i am playing 2010, thanks anyways
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 18, 2010, 11:34:15 pm
1) I have economy started in my fortress. But I just cannot understand how can I make my new migrant dwarves to have own bedrooms. I build a new bedroom and I cannot assignt it to somebody because the new dwarves are just not in the list (only nobles and legendary/champs are there). So I start this room for ren[T]. But it still has 'nobody' as an owner. But [p][z] dwarf meny says that they do have enough money.
2) Is it necessary to make coins? Wiki says that you can manage without them but then what is the idea of having coins in fortress?
3) I built a couple of shops and there are owners of those but still no goods there. What could be the problem?
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4) How can I throw creatures from somewhere? Towers for example
5) Is it possible in DF to dig a deep hole in the ground? For example to throw goblins there instead of building towers? (build a tower by the way? How?)
1. Dwarves will rent rooms on their own. Don't bother trying to assign any rooms to them once you hit the economy. It may take a bit of time for them to make the decision, but they should make it eventually.
2. No, it is not necessary to make coins. And you never should anyway; too much time spent hauling tiny stacks of coins around that don't restack.
3. Don't worry about that. When shops get filled with goods seems somewhat random, but it always happens. Just be patient. If you've got dwarves who own the shops but can't buy goods, they'll probably end up selling the shop back to the city, where it will be filled with goods once your broker starts managing it.
4. Learn to use the zones menu. It defaults to 'i'. Set a 'p'it over empty space and assign creatures to it.
5. You've heard of channels, stairs, and ramps? Use those designations en masse to make pits to throw stuff into. It's not too hard. With a bit of experimentation on your own you'll figure it out.
Post by: Shangurath on June 19, 2010, 02:07:51 am
Post by: RagNoRock on June 30, 2010, 03:59:56 pm
The Init.txt doesnt have either of those modifiers in it, so do I need to add them? If so what exactly should they say?
Post by: assimilateur on June 30, 2010, 04:02:30 pm
I keep seeing people talking about turning off weather and Temperature... How?
The Init.txt doesnt have either of those modifiers in it, so do I need to add them? If so what exactly should they say?
Look in the d_init file, which is in the same folder.
Post by: RagNoRock on June 30, 2010, 04:06:22 pm
One more thing tho, do I need to save/exit/restart inorder for changes to go in effect?
Post by: Jim Groovester on June 30, 2010, 04:07:39 pm
Post by: RagNoRock on June 30, 2010, 04:09:39 pm
Post by: Remalle on June 30, 2010, 11:30:20 pm
Post by: Lord Shonus on June 30, 2010, 11:38:44 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 01, 2010, 12:28:33 pm
What happens if you drop a magma-safe creature in a wooden cage, into magma?
Your cage will be destroyed, but the creature will be teleported to the location it was caught in a cage trap. The creature may also be on fire, but that's only if it isn't magma safe.
Post by: Passive Fist on July 01, 2010, 02:05:04 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 01, 2010, 02:13:11 pm
Note that doing this will mark the cage for dumping as well, so you might want to remove that if you want to keep your cage.
Post by: Flaede on July 01, 2010, 11:58:51 pm
What happens if you drop a magma-safe creature in a wooden cage, into magma?
Your cage will be destroyed, but the creature will be teleported to the location it was caught in a cage trap. The creature may also be on fire, but that's only if it isn't magma safe.
That is the most awesome bug ever. Think about it: Flaming Teleporting Goblin Prisoners... as a defense mechanism! You caught a goblin there before, so clearly it is a place goblins will go during attack. And after the first one: you can pop a burning goblin into their midst next time!
Post by: Rizyq on July 02, 2010, 01:51:38 pm
But, I'm new to DF, and, it seems one of my Dwarves went insane (I hadn't noticed he went into a fey mood) So I loaded my save back up from a bit after he went into the fey mood.
On the wiki it's always saying dwarves will go into workshops for whatever mood they're in. But, I guess I don't have the workshop for my dwarf, as he's just sitting on a chair in my meetinghall/foodhall.
I'm not exactly sure how I should go about this.
EDIT:
Oh, and I'm playing the um second most recent version (Not sure what it's called, but the version released prior to the newest one) with MayDay's green tileset.
Post by: assimilateur on July 02, 2010, 02:32:38 pm
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 02, 2010, 02:36:10 pm
Post by: Rizyq on July 02, 2010, 03:57:51 pm
Also, if he's a metalworker or a glassmaker, make sure to build magma and normal versions of a forge and glass furnace. They sometimes prefer one over the other.
Yeah, he's a glassmaker, which I just realized, but I don't know how to make a magma glass furnace >_< and I wouldn't have any magma to use for it, anyways. And he doesn't want to seem to use the regular glass furnace.
So, how could I go about building and using a magma glass furnace (Like I said, I'm new)?
Post by: SniHjen on July 02, 2010, 04:32:38 pm
Is it possible to make grass grow on underground rock tiles?
just to be on the safe side: underground muddied rock tiles.
Already edited trees to grow there :)
Post by: RagNoRock on July 02, 2010, 04:51:50 pm
Now the Commander has a pulsing Miasma around her.... Whats going to happen to her?
....
NM, She died :(
....
Reloading to prior to fighting poison Croc. Will send in a lesser fighter to kill it, or kill it with something other then an Axe.
Post by: assimilateur on July 02, 2010, 06:00:21 pm
So, how could I go about building and using a magma glass furnace (Like I said, I'm new)?
From the Wiki
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To build a magma forge, you must have fire-safe materials, an anvil, and a build site with at least one tile open over magma at least 4/7 deep. Placing the impassable sections of the workshop over the magma will prevent dwarves from getting knocked in and prevent magma creatures from crawling out.
One thing to add is that you can't channel out the center tile of where you want to place your furnace. All other tiles are good, and the impassable (you can tell which are impassable by the dark green color) ones preferable.
Is it possible to make grass grow on underground rock tiles?
just to be on the safe side: underground muddied rock tiles.
Grass should grow there as long as you don't cover the area with anything, including bridges or glass floors.
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 02, 2010, 07:34:03 pm
Post by: assimilateur on July 02, 2010, 07:37:48 pm
Not to nitpick, assimilateur, but you shouldn't refer to the DF wiki as "Wikipedia." You'll confuse people.
Talk about brain fart. Thanks for pointing that out.
Post by: culwin on July 02, 2010, 08:12:16 pm
Not to nitpick, assimilateur, but you shouldn't refer to the DF wiki as "Wikipedia." You'll confuse people.
Aw nuts.
I was writing my physics paper based on information from DF Wiki, when in fact I should have been using Wikipedia!!
Thanks a lot!!
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 02, 2010, 08:22:58 pm
Post by: SniHjen on July 03, 2010, 01:28:33 am
Is it possible to make grass grow on underground rock tiles?
Grass should grow there as long as you don't cover the area with anything, including bridges or glass floors.
I want grass on an inside subterran dark muddied rock.
Post by: assimilateur on July 03, 2010, 02:23:14 am
I want grass on an inside subterran dark muddied rock.
Yeah, I was being a dizzy motherfucker when I wrote that post (not just the part where I addressed you). In short, I don't think you can make grass grow there.
Off topic: it's a good thing the thread title got finally changed.
Post by: Passive Fist on July 03, 2010, 03:32:37 am
Post by: Lord Shonus on July 03, 2010, 04:07:18 am
Post by: Live by foma on July 18, 2010, 06:25:15 pm
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For both of these, I most certainly have the required material (animal skins, alabaster, fuel), but when I go to add a task, the Kiln says that and the Tanner says nothing at all. HALP
Post by: assimilateur on July 18, 2010, 06:36:51 pm
That said, I'm gonna go ahead and take a shot at one of your issues. Namely, your tanner works automatically. You're not supposed to do anything with it on your own, but your tanner will process raw hides of recently-butchered animals on their own.
If you're absolutely positive that you have animal skins as opposed to tanned leather, then there's several possibilities:
- your workshop might be forbidden (check it via 't' to find that out), or
- your skins might already have rotten, or
- none of your dwarves have their tanning labor enabled.
Post by: Live by foma on July 18, 2010, 10:48:48 pm
Ask your questions in the appropriate thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=52208.0), if you don't mind. In you case you hadn't noticed, this thread is for 40d, i.e. the old version of DF that became obsolete in April but is still played by some, presumably for performance- or bug-related reasons.
That said, I'm gonna go ahead and take a shot at one of your issues. Namely, your tanner works automatically. You're not supposed to do anything with it on your own, but your tanner will process raw hides of recently-butchered animals on their own.
If you're absolutely positive that you have animal skins as opposed to tanned leather, then there's several possibilities:
- your workshop might be forbidden (check it via 't' to find that out), or
- your skins might already have rotten, or
- none of your dwarves have their tanning labor enabled.
Oops, my mistake. I have the Little Questions thread open in two tabs, one for each version (looked through this one just for kicks) and accidentally posted it here. I'll be more careful in the future.
Perhaps my tanner has been working under my nose and I just haven't noticed it. I'll double check when I get a chance. As for the kiln, I have no idea. I'll go ask the other thread.
Post by: Luewen82 on August 22, 2010, 10:24:46 pm
Post by: Pakhawaj on September 02, 2010, 09:33:46 pm
I'm using the genesis mod, so perhaps this is impacting things, I downloaded it because it claimed it had bug-fixes.
My neighbours are dwarfs and cave swallow men, neither of these are at war with me (I think) and neither have leaders according to the "civilisation" tab.
I'd quite like to buy some wood! ^^;
Post by: nickbii on September 02, 2010, 09:40:15 pm
How often do the trade caravans come? In the tutorial of TinyPirate they came rather early and the wiki claims you get new traders every month but it's my second Spring now and no traders have arrived. Is my area so remote that traders have no interest?Elves come in the spring, humans the summer, and Dwarves the fall. My first caravan is always in the last month of fall, but I've heard some folks wait years. You won't get any caravans until the Dwarven caravan has come and gone.
I'm using the genesis mod, so perhaps this is impacting things, I downloaded it because it claimed it had bug-fixes.
My neighbours are dwarfs and cave swallow men, neither of these are at war with me (I think) and neither have leaders according to the "civilisation" tab.
I'd quite like to buy some wood! ^^;
It's possible none of them can reach you, but you should still get the Dwarven caravan. Unless your Dwarven Civilization has died, in which case you won't get migrants either.
Nick
Post by: Laziezt on September 16, 2010, 08:19:58 pm
Post by: Smew on September 16, 2010, 08:46:47 pm
will every starting area have magma?No, in 40d magma only came in two forms, pipes and pools, also one other way but that's a (SPOILER). :)
Post by: Comrade on September 16, 2010, 09:19:39 pm
Post by: Smew on September 16, 2010, 10:05:47 pm
I read that in fortress mode, you can engrave text into walls or some sort.Uh, yes? regular engravings, d>e which must be made on smoothed stone(d>s)
Post by: Comrade on September 16, 2010, 10:26:11 pm
Post by: Urist Imiknorris on September 16, 2010, 10:29:25 pm
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Post by: uid0gid0 on October 07, 2010, 04:16:32 pm