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Title: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mephansteras on November 01, 2010, 03:12:47 pm

Starting up sign-ups for Paranormal 17.

For anyone who hasn't played it, Paranormal Mafia is a very role-heavy version of Mafia. I strongly suggest that you read some of the previous games to get a feel for how the game goes.

Minimum players is 12, max is 16.

Player List

• Zathras - Human Psychic Warden
• JanusTwoface - Human Mad Scientist
• Toaster - Exterminator
• Jim Groovester - Human Kook/Townsperson
• Org - Human Medium
• Pandarsenic - Tough Doppelganger
• Mr.Person - Human Agent
• webadict - Doppelganger Leader
• Ottofar - Doppelganger Guardian
• SHAD0Wdump - Human Telepath
• Mysteriousbluepuppet - Human Heroic Guard
• Argembarger - Doppelganger Vengeful Guard
• KaminaSquirtle - Human Observant Guard
• Criptfeind - Human Medium
• Leafsnail - Alien Survivor
• Dariush - Alien Agent Operative

Mish replaced Solifuge
Argembarger replaced Eduren
Dariush replaced Mish (sheesh)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mephansteras on November 01, 2010, 03:13:25 pm

Here are the current rules:

Here is the (current) list of possible roles:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

• Townie
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Human
      Goal: Survive
      Rules: Normal citizen. No powers, just your wits and a desire to live
      Victory: Town Wins
  
• Doppelganger
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: Body-snatching, man-eating monster. You want to feast on human flesh and avoid being caught
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• Doppelganger leader
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Visible Race: Human
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: More powerful and adept then the others, the leader is immune to detection by Agent or Detective short of death. The Telepath will still receive a 'kill' goal from the Dopp Leader, however.
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• Advanced Doppelganger
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: An experimental advanced version of the doppelganger. Once per game the advanced doppelganger can Consume and Replace the target for that night. In game terms, the player who was the doppelganger is now out of the game (although he still wins with the dopps), and the player targeted by the advanced dopp becomes a doppelganger. This new form of doppelganger is unstable, however, and cannot have any other abilities. Any abilities possessed by the Consumed character are lost, including Mind Shield. The advanced doppelganger shows up as a normal doppelganger would to all investigative roles. Aliens cannot be Consumed, but the once-per-game limit on the ability is not used up if the Adv. Dopp tries to consume them.
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• Tough Doppelganger
      Visible Role: No Role
      Race: Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: Similar to a normal doppelganger, but much tougher. The Tough doppelganger is immune to a regular Night Kill. Certain tech kills, like the Plasma Bomb, are still effective.
      Victory: Doppelgangers Win
  
• War Vet
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill (Always)
      Rules: Is trigger happy and will kill anyone visiting them at night, although they still die if the night target was deadly. Can choose to turn off this ability for a night (leaving themselves vulnerable)
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Vigilante
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: This character is similar to the war vet, story wise. However, while the War Vet stays at home and shoots anything that moves, the Vigilante goes out hunting himself. He gets one kill each night. If he is a dopp, he may either perform the group night-kill or his own kill.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Agent
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: An FBI agent investigating the situation. Can investigate one person per night to determine their Race. Roles with a 'Visible Race' tag will show that Race instead of their true race.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Detective
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: During the night, the Detective can investigate a character to determine what role, if any, the character possesses. Roles with the 'Visible Role' tag will show that role instead of thier actual Role..
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Telepath
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: The Telepath has limited psychic powers. Once per night, the Telepath can investigate a player and use their powers to determine the goal that character had that night based on their Role and Actions taken. The Telepath need not leave his house to use his powers.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Medium
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find (Always)
      Rules: The medium can freely communicate with Dead characters via PM/Ghost Chat. This ability works during both the Day and Night phases.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Reporter
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Find
      Rules: Years of following celebrities around has given this person the ability to track anyone anywhere and keep out of sight in the process. Each night the Reporter can choose to either follow someone to see where they go or watch to see if anyone visits them that night. The Reporter does NOT get any more information about what happens, only the location visited or the people at the location. Attempting to follow a War Vet is still fatal, of course.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Bodyguard
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Protect
      Rules: The Bodyguard is randomly given one of three abilities at the start of the game. The bodyguard uses these abilities to protect another player during the night.
         
  • Heroic Guard: The bodyguard will protect the other player with their life. This variant will sacrifice themself to prevent all night-kills targeting the other player from effecting them. The Bodyguard dies at the end of the night.
  • Observant Guard: The bodyguard will protect the other player with their life. This variant protects against the first night-kill against their target, and will determine the identity of the attacker and pass on this information to thier guarded target. The Bodyguard dies at the end of the night.
  • Vengeful Guard: The bodyguard will protect the other player with their life. This variant protects against the first night-kill against their target and kills the attacker in the process. The Bodyguard dies at the end of the night.
  • Guardian: This powerful bodyguard will prevent one kill attempt on the target that night. The Guardian is not killed by doing so.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Psychic Warden
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Protect
      Rules: The psychic warden can use his abilities to foil other characters. Each night he can pick a character. That character cannot take any role-related actions for that night and following day. The Psychic Warden does not need to leave his house to use this power. All targets, regardless of role, will be aware that they have been tampered with.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Mad Scientist
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Based on Tech or Actions
      Rules: The Mad Scientist has been secretly working on his amazing project in the town. He was going to sell it to the government, but due to the current disaster, he's going to have to give it an early field test. At the beginning of the game the Mad Scientist picks one of three technologies to start the game with, depending on which Varient they are. All Mad Scientists have access to the Mind Shield.
      Varients:
         
  • Military Scientist
  • Assassin bot: Once per game the MS can use the assassin bot to perform a Morning Kill on another player. This attack cannot be traced back to the Mad Scientist. It is triggered during the Night Phase, but is unaffected by the MS being killed/blocked/abducted that same night.
  • Sentry Guns: Functions like the War Vet, attacking and killing anyone who comes snooping around the Mad Scientist's house. However, it has limited ammo (it is just a prototype version), and only works for one night. Should the Mad Scientist be attacked, it is the Sentry Gun that is destroyed not the Scientist. Once destroyed, the Sentry gun cannot protect against any further attacks that night. Like the War Vet's ability, the gun can be turned off for a night. This makes the house safe for friendly visitors but leaves the Mad Scientist vulnerable to attack.
  • EMP Pulse Bomb: This device is a one-shot item used at night. All Tech devices are shorted out that night. Any actions relying on a tech device are blocked. Tech devices can be fixed the following night.
  
  
  • Cutting Edge Scientist: Can create Body Double or Mind Control Ray
  • Body Double: A perfect body double. It could be organic, robotic, even a hologram. Regardless, it takes his place in dangerous situations while he stays safe. If the Mad Scientist is killed or abducted, the body double takes his place. This also applies to lynches during the day phase. It's a one-use item, though, so he's vulnerable after it's been destroyed.
  • Mind Control Ray: Once per game the MS can use the Mind Control Ray to choose another player's target for the night. The targeted player cannot target themself, and if the player does not have a night action (and is not the dopp/cultist chosen for the night kill), or if the player has a limited-use night ability and chose not to use it, then no action occurs. The Ray also allows the Scientist to control that player's vote during the next day and may change it as often as he wishes.
  • Psychic Pulser: This device is a one-shot item used at night. All Psychic players (excluding Mind Shields) are blocked for that night and cannot use any Psychic Abilities until the following Night. Mediums can read dead chat but cannot post in it until the following night.
   
  
  • Intelligence Scientist: Can create Snooper Bot or Security System.
  • Surveillance System: A highly advanced security system watches over the Mad Scientist's house. He knows the identity of anyone who visits his house during the night. He does not, however, know their purpose. Unless it's to kill him, and he finds that out the hard way.
  • Snooper bot: This little bug-bot can trail another player at night and see where they go (if anywhere).
  • Advanced Tracking Devices: These devices are planted on players during the day. Once planted they show where the tracked individual is. If the player being tracked is killed, the device is lost. The Scientist starts with 2 devices and can create more devices by spending two nights working to build one.
   
  • All types of Mad Scientist can build the following
  • Mind Shield: The Mind Shield gives the user a Mind Shield. Should the user already possess a Natural Mind Shield, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Mind Shield. An advanced mind shield provides the same protection as a normal mind shield, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using psychic powers against the user. Telepaths will always receive a 'Survive' result, Psychic Wardens will not know their power is blocked, and so on.
  • Anti-Tech Field: The Anti-Tech Field gives the user a Anti-Tech Field. Should the user already possess a Natural Anti-Tech Field, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Anti-Tech Field. An Advanced Anti-Tech Field provides the same protection as a normal Anti-Tech Field, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using tech items against the user (Except for killing techs). Tracking devices will show the player at home, Scanners will show Vanilla Townie, etc. Single-target One Shot items ARE used up when used against an Advanced Anti-Tech field.
     
          Due to their mechanical nature, the Inventions cannot be stopped by a Psychic Warden
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Enchanter
      [Psychic]
      Race: Human/Doppelganger
      Goal: Survive
      Rules: The Enchanter uses his Psychic abilities to make people weight his vote more than others. His votes count double. If at any point there are more Mind Shields then regular players, this power will not work.
      Victory: Town/Doppelgangers win
  
• Xenozoologist
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Find
      Tech: 1 Medium Tech Slot
      Rules: The Alien Scientist is on earth to capture one example of each species for study (1 human, 1 psychic human, 1 doppelganger, 1 alien). Each night he may choose to Abduct a player. If that player is of a race he does not have, they are removed from the game and kept for study. If he already has one, they are returned to play the following morning. The Scientist and all of his captives may freely PM one another. Once he has 1 of each, he wins and he and all abducted players are removed from the game. If he is killed, all abducted players are returned to the game. If the game ends and he does not have one of each, he loses. He only obstructs the win condition of the Exterminator.
      Victory: Captures 1 normal human, 1 psychic human, 1 doppelganger, and 1 alien
  
• Survivor
      Visable Role: No Role
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Survive
      Rules: The Alien is there for some other purpose, and is simply hiding as a human. Their only goal is to survive until the end of the game. They win as long as they are alive, regardless of which side wins.
      Tech: 1 Small Tech Slot
      Victory: Is alive and unabducted at the end of the game
  
• Exterminator
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: The doppelganger infestation is a danger to the Alien's people, and it and all traces of it must be wiped from the Earth. The Alien kills one person a night. The Alien wins when they and thier Operative (if there is one) are the only ones left alive. The Exterminator always has a Mind Shield.
      Tech: 1 Medium and 1 Large Tech Slot
      Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead
  
• Exterminator Operative
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Based on Action
      Rules: The Operative is sent along with the Exterminator to aid them in their task. The Operative and the Exterminator may freely exchange Tech between them.
      Tech: 1 Medium and 2 Small Slots
      Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead
  
• Agent Operative
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Based on Action
      Rules: This Operative is working with the government and has been sent along to assist an Agent in aiding the town. The Operative is not told who the Agent is until the First Night, however. In addition, the government has no way of knowing if the Agent is still human. The Operative should use caution when contacting the agent.
      Tech: 1 Medium and 2 Small Slots
      Victory: Town wins
  
• Spore Spreader
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: This alien organism has been engineered to spread by spores and take over human hosts. The only thing is that the host has to die for the spores to spread. Whenever the Spore Spreader is lynched, two random people will be targeted by spores. If the target is human, they will lose their current role/race and become a new Spore Spreader. If the spore spreader is night-killed, the attacker is hit by spores. Aliens and Doppelgangers are immune to the spores.
      Tech: 0 Slots
      Victory: At least one living Spore Spreader alive with a town victory. If a Spore Spreader is the last living being in town, they also win.
  
• Hivemind
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill/Protect
      Rules: The Hivemind is an Alien on the run. Using either Technology or advanced Psychic Powers (Player's choice at start) the Hivemind dominates the humans in the town in order to ensure its survival. Once per night the Hivemind Alien chooses a player to convert. If the player is human, and does not have the appropriate blocking ability, they join the Hivemind's faction. If the Hivemind dies, all converted players die with them.
      Tech: 1 Medium Slot
      Victory: The Hivemind wins when all opposing groups are dead and the town has no way of stopping them (Vig, War Vet, etc)
  

    All aliens get to pick from the following set of equipment to start the game with, based on the number of Tech slots listed under thier role. An alien can only have 1 of any given item unless otherwise noted.

    Item list:
   

• Small Tech
• Personal Shield: Works once as though guarded by the Guardian. Will also protect against Morningkills.
• Mind Shield: The Mind Shield gives the user a Mind Shield. Should the user already possess a Natural Mind Shield, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Mind Shield. An advanced mind shield provides the same protection as a normal mind shield, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using psychic powers against the user. Telepaths will always receive a 'Survive' result, Psychic Wardens will not know their power is blocked, and so on.
• Anti-Tech Field: The Anti-Tech Field gives the user a Anti-Tech Field. Should the user already possess a Natural Anti-Tech Field, it will be upgraded to an Advanced Anti-Tech Field. An Advanced Anti-Tech Field provides the same protection as a normal Anti-Tech Field, but has the added benefit of always appearing to work to the one using tech items against the user (Except for killing techs). Tracking devices will show the player at home, Scanners will show Vanilla Townie, etc. Single-target One Shot items ARE used up when used against an Advanced Anti-Tech field.
• Holoform Modulator: Works once when investigated, allowing the alien to choose a role and race to show as. Once activated it lasts the entire night but is used up after that. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
• Scanner: Works once as a combination of the Agent and Detective, showing both Race and Role as well as any gadgets or tech possessed by the player. The scanner bypasses all role effects on investigation (such as the Kook or Dopp Leader). The scanner does not use up the Alien's action, nor does it trigger any responses by the target (such as PWV or Reporter watching a location). Can be taken as a two-use item for a Medium tech slot.
• Deadman bomb: If the Alien is lynched, he explodes killing the last person to vote for him and a random person near him. A day-kill that is not a lynch will result in two random players being killed. If he is night-killed, the bomb kills his attacker (counts as an NK).
• Stun Orb: Allows the Alien to stun another player, preventing them from taking any actions that night or using any active abilities the following day (Role-block another player). 1 Use. Does not trigger War Vet/Turret response.  Can be taken as a two-use item for a Medium tech slot. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
     
     
• Medium Tech
• Advanced Holoform Modulator: Works as the Holoform Modulator, but also allows the Alien to project an active hologram. This hologram can be shown to go to any location (or stay at home). Anyone following the Alien will watch the Hologram instead of the Alien. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
• Assassin bot: Once per game the Alien can use the assassin bot to Morning-kill another player. This attack cannot be traced back to the Alien. In addition, it is triggered remotely during the night and can be used even while abducted. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
• Mind Control Ray: Once per game the Alien can use the Mind Control Ray to choose another player's target for the night as well as their vote for the next day. If the player does not have a night action (and is not the dopp/cultist chosen for the night kill), or if the player has a limited-use night ability and chose not to use it, then no action occurs. The alien still controls the vote on the next day. Uses the Alien's Action for the night.
• Stun Bomb: Allows the Alien to stun the entire town, preventing any player from using an Action for that night or using any active abilities the following day. The Alien who uses it is unaffected. Uses the Alien's Action for the night.
• Combat Camouflage: A combination of weapons and accessories that allows the Exterminator to mask his kills as if they came from any source (Vig, Dopp, or Abduction).
• EMP Pulse Emitter: Can be used to Target a single player each night. Any Tech devices used by that player that night are shorted out and must be fixed the following night. If the player's action relied on the Tech item, they are roleblocked. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
• Psychic Pulse Emitter: Can be used to Target a single player each night. Prevents the player from using any Psychic Abilities (except for a Mind Shield) for that night and the next day phase. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
     
     
• Large Tech
• Intel You begin the game with Intel on the survivors in the town. This gives you a list of all Roles in the game, but not who has them. You may choose any other techs you get after receiving the information from Intel. Large tech slot.
• Plasma Bomb: One use per game. It will kill the target, anyone interacting with the target, anyone interacting with them, and so on. Cannot be protected against. It is triggered remotely, so the Alien is smart enough to stay out of the Blast Radius, and is therefore unaffected (assuming he's not targeting himself for some reason). Can also be used while abducted. Only effects people physically at that location (so Psychics are fine). Uses the Alien's action for the night. Large tech slot.
• Replicator: Large Tech Slot. The Replicator Can create a single Medium Tech item or two Small tech items before it runs out of energy and materials. Allows the Alien more flexibility to respond to changing situations in exchange for the more powerful items that would need to be brought at the outset.
• Advanced Targeting System: Large Tech slot. Using this advanced weapon allows an Exterminator to bypass all forms of protection on a target. A Night Kill from an alien with this system cannot be prevented.
   

• Mind Shield
      [Psychic]
      [Ability]
      Race: Any
      Rules: This character is completely immune to all Psychic effects and abilities (Telepath, Warlock, Disciple of Truth, and Psychic Warden). The Mind Shield is not a role in itself, but an ability granted to a non-psychic character that may or may not already have a role. Psychic characters will be aware of a Mind Shield blocking their abilities.
  
• Anti-Tech Field
      [Psychic]
      [Ability]
      Race: Any
      Rules: This character is completely immune to all Tech effects and abilities (Mad Scientist and Alien tech). The Anti-Tech Field is not a role in itself, but an ability granted to a non-psychic character that may or may not already have a role. Tech characters will be aware that their item was blocked. Single Target one-shot items are not used up, but the action is wasted.
  
• Kook
      Race: Human or Corrupted Human
      Visible Race: Doppelganger
      Rules: The guy who's always seemed a bit "off" to everyone. Now his behavior has gotten even more erratic. It's really due to stress from the killings and whatnot, but it makes the Agent confuse him for a Doppelganger. The Kook also talks to himself a lot, and will always show up to a Watcher as having communicated with someone that day. Requires Doppelgangers to be a faction to show up.
  

     

Definitions:
    Doppelganger: These foul creatures kill and eat humans, taking on all of their memories and abilities. Once they have a form, most doppelgagners cannot change again. They are a flawed species, and possess and uncontrollable bloodlust forcing them to kill and eat humans each night. Their goal is to destroy all of the humans in the town and make their way out into the larger world.
    Night Kill: Any kill that happens during the Night Phase. The Doppelgangers and Cultists each get 1 Night Kill as a group, in addition to any allowed by Roles.
    Morningkill: A morning kill happens between the day and night phase, and cannot be prevented by abilities that prevent night kills. (Such as the Guardian)
    Abduction: When a player abducts another player, two things happen. First, the abducted player is role-blocked for the night. Second, that player is removed from play for that night (and possibly the game). While removed, they cannot be the target of any other night action and cannot vote or be lynched during the day. Exceptions: The Paranoid War Vet and Sentry Gun are not role-blocked by an abduction, and will kill the player attempting the abduction. Abducted players are not role-flipped until their abductor leaves the game.

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I've written a perl script to pick roles and whatnot randomly. It has some rules that it follows, but it should make for a nice amount of randomness to the set-up. Note that while I'll generally just go with whatever it spits out, I may make modifications to the set-up in order to make a more interesting game or to test out a specific feature. Also note that I will intentionally mess or not mess with stuff just to screw up anyone depending on the Gambler's Fallacy.

Not all roles are guaranteed. In fact, it's quite possible to have a game with nothing but normal doppelgangers and humans.


General Rules:
 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

  Rule on PMs: Private Messages are allowed. However, I must be copied on all PMs. Failure to do so will result in very bad things happening to you. In addition you may NOT quote any PM from me, either your initial Role-PM or any role-related PMs. (Night role results, etc).  I'll make an exception for specifically rules-related questions. This is to keep the suspense and uncertainty in the game high. You're not supposed to know if the other person is lying or not, and quoting me gives too much weight to whatever it is you're saying.

  The Game will have a set Maximum game-day that it will go to. At that point, any players who have not already achieved thier victory conditions will lose. I will give ample warning beforehand if this event is imminent. This is to prevent stalemates from developing and dragging a game out forver.
 
  Nights will last for 24 hours or until I've heard from each player with a night role, whichever comes first.
    In the event of night role collision, see the order of presidence below. All actions within the same level are assumed to happen simultaniously.
    The Doppelgangers may choose to skip thier night kill. They may only do this twice in a row before their bloodlust forces them to kill.

  Days will last for 48 hours or until everyone has voted (if there is a long period of inactivity after everyone votes I'll end the day to keep things moving).
    In the event of a tie, no lynch will occur.

  Extensions: Extensions require at least 25% of the living players requesting an extension. Votes against the extension will reduce the counted number requesting (so, of 8 players if 3 vote for an extension and one votes against it it's still 2 for, which is 25%, which grants the extension.)
Extensions will extend the day by 24 hours. No more then two extensions will be granted on any given game day.

  Conditional voting is currently unavailable, so you'll either have to vote carefully or make sure you log on before the end of the day if you want to change your vote.

  All votes should be colored red to make it easy for me to spot them.

  Speaking While Dead: The dead may post once after they have died to comment on their death. They may not provide any information about the game in this post. After this, any posting in the game before it has ended will result in a one game ban from future Paranormal games. Repeated abuse, or posts that have a major impact on the game, can result in a permaban from any future Paranormal games (and probably a lot of other Forum games as well as word gets around).

  Dead may freely PM a Medium character if that role is present in the game.

  Doppelgagners and the Dead will have special chat areas on http://www.quicktopic.com. I will PM the appropriate link to you at the start of the game or when you die. A Medium will have access to the Dead channel. The Dead channel will start with a statement of whether or not there is a Medium in the game.

  Event Order: The order of events is as follows:

    Mind Control
    Pure Role-blockers
    Abductors
    Protectors
    Investigators
    Night Kills/Conversions (The War Vet (or equivalent) is sort of an exception, in that he'll kill anyone who targets them on THEIR turn, rather than his)

  All kills will be effectively simultaneous. (I may make some literary liberties with this in the PMs, but there won't be any cases like the Dopps->Exterminator->Townie chain like Game 2 had)

 

  Feel free to ask for clarification on any rule.
 

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Org on November 01, 2010, 03:22:00 pm

In

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Zathras on November 01, 2010, 03:24:59 pm

Me! me! me! pick meee! in!

...been waiting for this for months. Don't you bastards dare kill me D1/N1!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 01, 2010, 03:52:21 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 01, 2010, 03:13:25 pm

Expect things to get interesting...

Interesting?  In Paranormal?  Madness!  :D

IN

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Toaster on November 01, 2010, 05:16:21 pm

In!  Woo!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 01, 2010, 05:22:40 pm

In like an... appropriate metaphor.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 01, 2010, 08:31:16 pm

In, like a shark.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mr.Person on November 02, 2010, 02:56:05 am

In, like a skinny person's bellybutton.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: webadict on November 02, 2010, 06:49:17 am

I'll in... pending rule tweaks.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Ottofar on November 02, 2010, 09:22:24 am

In!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Jetsquirrel on November 02, 2010, 10:23:21 am

IN

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Org on November 02, 2010, 10:24:30 am

How is Zath in sign-ups and I am not if I posted before him?
0_0

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: ToonyMan on November 02, 2010, 10:34:02 am

Hahaha, dude Meph does this everytime to Org and it isn't less funny every time he does it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Org on November 02, 2010, 10:35:30 am

But...But I firsted.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Toaster on November 02, 2010, 10:40:44 am

So the first shall be last, and the last first.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mephansteras on November 02, 2010, 12:02:35 pm

@Org: I honestly have no idea. I simply did not see your post somehow.

@Jetsquirrel: You have a bad habit of dropping out of my games once they start. Can you promise to actually stick with this one?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 02, 2010, 01:26:51 pm

In as Apprentice Modface. >.>

So how does this work? Do I just like...follow along as you do stuff? It seems pretty complicated.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mephansteras on November 02, 2010, 01:45:18 pm

At the start, yeah, probably. I'll also give you access to the google docs I use and you can do things like vote counts and the like. Anything else we can figure out as we go along.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 02, 2010, 01:47:42 pm

Mephansteras the Professor of Mafialogy and his TA Jokerman-EXE.

Grade those papers! Get those votecounts up! Get me coffee! Give Pandarsenic another midterm! I'm going to take a nap in my office.

Have fun, dude.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mr.Person on November 02, 2010, 04:21:21 pm

What's the point of making that joke if Pandarsenic's not here?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 02, 2010, 04:25:30 pm

I have no idea what you are talking about.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 02, 2010, 04:26:03 pm

Shush you, I only have a midterm on Friday. Hopefully.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Eduren on November 02, 2010, 04:32:24 pm

In.

Quote from: Zathras on November 01, 2010, 03:24:59 pm

Me! me! me! pick meee! in!

...been waiting for this for months. Don't you bastards dare kill me D1/N1!

First one to kill Zathras wins.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: ToonyMan on November 02, 2010, 04:36:20 pm

Don't worry Webadict is here.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Zathras on November 02, 2010, 04:53:51 pm

Quote from: Eduren on November 02, 2010, 04:32:24 pm

First one to kill Zathras wins.

You killed Zathras! You bastards!

8-/

Srsly u guis... I want to play this game. If you kill me D1/N1, I'll spam the thread (and ALL THE OTHER THREADS) with limericks... FOREVEEEEEER!

Don't make me unleash the limerickraken!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 06, 2010, 10:33:47 pm

Alright, I'm a hypocrite, I know this, thus I'm going to do the hypocrite thing.

In!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 06, 2010, 10:36:52 pm

I wont be too occupied for the next month, and thus would like to be Included. Will get on reading the last mafia asap

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Criptfeind on November 07, 2010, 12:19:39 am

I am out of mafia games.

Sorry state the boards are in that I can say in four days after this opened.

The irony is the main gaming boards are getting deluded by shit games, I used to read every thread on that board, now I have like three pages of unread stuff because I just don't care.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Vector on November 07, 2010, 12:25:59 am

We're low-traffic, but high-quality :3  I'm glad to see how much better we're doing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mephansteras on November 07, 2010, 11:40:10 am

Criptfiend, can't tell if you're joining or not.

Toony, you joining or just watching?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: ToonyMan on November 07, 2010, 11:44:09 am

I don't know.  Duke wants me to stop playing mafia.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Vector on November 07, 2010, 12:21:30 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 07, 2010, 11:44:09 am

I don't know.  Duke wants me to stop playing mafia.

That's the sign of an abusive boyfriend, Toony... you don't have to listen to him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 07, 2010, 01:32:48 pm

I'll in.  I need another game to play, and these look like a lot of fun.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Eduren on November 07, 2010, 01:42:52 pm

Quote from: Vector on November 07, 2010, 12:21:30 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 07, 2010, 11:44:09 am

I don't know.  Duke wants me to stop playing mafia.

That's the sign of an abusive boyfriend, Toony... you don't have to listen to him.

Sooooo sigged

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Leafsnail on November 07, 2010, 01:50:49 pm

I guess I'll in.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Duke 2.0 on November 07, 2010, 03:48:53 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 07, 2010, 11:44:09 am

I don't know.  Duke wants me to stop playing mafia.

TOONY
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT I SAID I'LL DO IF I FOUND YOU SKUKLING AROUND THAT FORUM ANYMORE?!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: webadict on November 07, 2010, 03:52:07 pm

Quote from: Duke 2.0 on November 07, 2010, 03:48:53 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 07, 2010, 11:44:09 am

I don't know.  Duke wants me to stop playing mafia.

TOONY
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT I SAID I'LL DO IF I FOUND YOU SKUKLING AROUND THAT FORUM ANYMORE?!

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 07, 2010, 04:32:38 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 07, 2010, 03:52:07 pm

Quote from: Duke 2.0 on November 07, 2010, 03:48:53 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 07, 2010, 11:44:09 am

I don't know.  Duke wants me to stop playing mafia.

TOONY
DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT I SAID I'LL DO IF I FOUND YOU SKUKLING AROUND THAT FORUM ANYMORE?!

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

HE FELL DOWN THE STAIRS

THAT DOOR JUST FLEW OPEN, IT WAS THE CRAZIEST THING

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Vector on November 07, 2010, 04:33:26 pm

... I believe we have a subplot for the fanfiction thread!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Criptfeind on November 07, 2010, 04:37:07 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 07, 2010, 11:40:10 am

Criptfiend, can't tell if you're joining or not.

Ah Yeah yeah.

In

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: webadict on November 07, 2010, 04:39:52 pm

Quote from: Vector on November 07, 2010, 04:33:26 pm

... I believe we have a subplot for the fanfiction thread!

Plots? You give fanfics too much credit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 07, 2010, 05:02:58 pm

Quote from: Vector on November 07, 2010, 04:33:26 pm

... I believe we have a subplot for the fanfiction thread!

What's a plot and why is it underwater?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Mephansteras on November 07, 2010, 06:15:26 pm

If you both sign up I'll extend the max players list to 17...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Solifuge on November 07, 2010, 07:47:21 pm

Ach, I always miss these things until the end of signups. I'll watch; if someone bails, I'll In.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Eduren on November 07, 2010, 07:54:47 pm

Quote from: Solifuge on November 07, 2010, 07:47:21 pm

Ach, I always miss these things until the end of signups. I'll watch; if someone bails, I'll In.

There's still room for you. We're only at 15/16

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups open
Post by: Solifuge on November 08, 2010, 01:59:04 pm

Are you certain? If so, I'm there.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups closed
Post by: Mephansteras on November 08, 2010, 02:03:59 pm

Ok, with Solifuge that's 16.

I'll work on getting the game set up today. It'll start either later today or tomorrow morning.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups closed
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 08, 2010, 04:27:23 pm

And I'll be, uhh, pretending to be busy and helpful. See you all in game.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups closed
Post by: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 11:52:34 am

Posting so first post of the game itself is on top of the second page (for us with max posts per page [Everyone else- you're missing out])

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups closed
Post by: ToonyMan on November 09, 2010, 02:46:09 pm

Just start a new thread.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Signups closed
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2010, 04:27:57 pm

You live in a small town. Very small.

A tiny spot barely listed on maps at all. The kind of place people go to get away from everything. To forget the outside world.

But it seems the world has not quite forgotten you. A few days ago people started disappearing. An old man out walking his dog. A few kids exploring a nearby wood.

Last night a rockslide took out the only road in. A call to the state left you with a bitter taste in your mouth. Seems road workers won’t have a team available to clean it out for a week, if not more. Almost like they don’t want it opened...

And then you found the pods. Strange things, four of them. Stashed in an old abandoned trailer.

The internet told you what you needed to know. Doppelgangers.

Horribly idea. Monsters like that here, in your town. But you’ve got to find them.

It’s not like the government is going to help.

---

Day 1 has started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Thursday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 04:30:33 pm

Ottofar, what have you learned from the last beginner's mafia?  Do you intend to change your playstyle at all because of it?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

Criptfeind.

While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:36:54 pm

Mysteriousbluepuppet, I don't think I've played a game with you before, so you can answer a question.

webadict is wearing a dress, and he asks you if it makes him look fat. What's the proper response?

Now for a question I actually care about the answer to. What's your general feeling going into this game? Excited? Nervous? Intimidated?

Also, Meph, since there's no indication of aliens in the flavor can we assume there are none?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2010, 04:40:30 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:36:54 pm

Also, Meph, since there's no indication of aliens in the flavor can we assume there are none?

That is never a safe assumption.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:42:10 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Completely useless question.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:36:54 pm

Also, Meph, since there's no indication of aliens in the flavor can we assume there are none?

Is there any particular reason they would make themselves obvious?  Seems to me we got lucky even discovering the dopp pods...

---

Org, prove to me that we shouldn't policy lynch you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 04:45:01 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

Criptfeind.

While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Generic answer to show I am here.

SHAD0Wdump, what do you think of the changes to the rules this time around, help, hurt, or indifferent?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:42:10 pm

Org, prove to me that we shouldn't policy lynch you.

A bit quick on the bring up the Org policy lynch aren't you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 09, 2010, 04:46:09 pm

Mr. Person, how do you think the new rules will affect day one dynamics?

Also, while I'm here:

Pandarsenic, how lurky or active should we expect you to be this week and the coming weekend? If you don't live up to your answer, should we policy-lynch you?

Eduren, given that flavour points our four dopp pods, how many other non-town roles should we expect?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:49:49 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 04:45:01 pm

A bit quick on the bring up the Org policy lynch aren't you?

No. Town Org is unhelpful enough to hurt the town and scum Org is next to impossible to get lynched. Lynch him now while we still have a chance.

Alternatively, he could prove that he's going to be rational and useful this time around. That'd be nice.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 09, 2010, 04:49:57 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 04:45:01 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

Criptfeind.
While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Generic answer to show I am here.

Dude, you missed the perfect chance to go all deeply rhetorical on him...

"Because we will not go quietly into the night!   We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive!"

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:51:06 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:42:10 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:36:54 pm

Also, Meph, since there's no indication of aliens in the flavor can we assume there are none?

Is there any particular reason they would make themselves obvious?  Seems to me we got lucky even discovering the dopp pods...

Usually there's indication of the existence of third party roles in the flavor, unless I've been so out of Paranormal mafias that this has changed. They'll show up as UFO sightings and other things, or they used to.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 04:54:16 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:49:49 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 04:45:01 pm

A bit quick on the bring up the Org policy lynch aren't you?

No. Town Org is unhelpful enough to hurt the town and scum Org is next to impossible to get lynched. Lynch him now while we still have a chance.

Alternatively, he could prove that he's going to be rational and useful this time around. That'd be nice.

Huuuuu... Okay...

Quote from: Zathras on November 09, 2010, 04:49:57 pm

Dude, you missed the perfect chance to go all deeply rhetorical on him...

How does that help?
Mafia is serious business.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 04:56:57 pm

Eduren, would you vote to lynch a claimed spore spreader?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Ottofar on November 09, 2010, 05:34:05 pm

Kamina, Perhaps I'm a bit less aggressive. Or not, since it's paranormal, and not a BM.  It depends on the overall activity of the game. At least I try to answer a bit better.

Zathras, which tech do you consider most useful for a town Mad Scientist?What about dopp?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 05:39:38 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 09, 2010, 05:34:05 pm

Kamina, Perhaps I'm a bit less aggressive. Or not, since it's paranormal, and not a BM.  It depends on the overall activity of the game. At least I try to answer a bit better.

Fair enough.

webadict, what will be your strategy for this game?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 05:46:07 pm

Whoops, forgot to unvote Ottofar.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 05:51:47 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:42:10 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Completely useless question.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:36:54 pm

Also, Meph, since there's no indication of aliens in the flavor can we assume there are none?

Is there any particular reason they would make themselves obvious?  Seems to me we got lucky even discovering the dopp pods...

---

Org, prove to me that we shouldn't policy lynch you.

Because you are really dumb.
Fo real.

Janus, you really are pushing for a policy lynch.
And man, here I am, going to rant. Oh no.
Fuck you, first off. You really are just stupid, aren't you. Every game, its policy lynch Org, for you, and you just won't quit, will you? Try to scum hunt instead of a policy lynch, but thats hard for scum, right?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 05:53:15 pm

It starts!

I'm not throwing out a random vote. What, if anything, do you think of what I'm doing right now?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 05:58:23 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:51:06 pm

Usually there's indication of the existence of third party roles in the flavor, unless I've been so out of Paranormal mafias that this has changed. They'll show up as UFO sightings and other things, or they used to.

I can almost guarantee that there will be 1-3 aliens about. Happened in every round so far.

Do you think we should be worried about them already?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 05:46:07 pm

Whoops, forgot to unvote Ottofar.

For future reference, you don't have to unvote if you're just going to change your vote. Doing it this way with the unvote after the vote is probably more confusing over all.

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 05:51:47 pm

Janus, you really are pushing for a policy lynch.

Right into the OMGUS (more so than most). Not useful.

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 05:51:47 pm

And man, here I am, going to rant. Oh no.
Fuck you, first off. You really are just stupid, aren't you. Every game, its policy lynch Org, for you, and you just won't quit, will you? Try to scum hunt instead of a policy lynch, but thats hard for scum, right?

Are you being useful yet?  No. Thus policy lynch.

All you have to do is convince me you can scumhunt and I'll stop doing it. Or be useful in any way to the town. In one game... That's it. It shouldn't be that hard.

Quote from: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 05:53:15 pm

I'm not throwing out a random vote. What, if anything, do you think of what I'm doing right now?

I think not throwing out a random vote is acceptable.  I think not doing anything else is not.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 06:02:41 pm

Unvote.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:42:10 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Completely useless question.

Save for drawing out those overeager to pounce on opening questions, Janus.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 06:07:26 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 06:02:41 pm

Save for drawing out those overeager to pounce on opening questions, Janus.

Do you really believe that this is indicative of scumminess? For me in particular? I do the same thing in every game I'm in.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 06:13:53 pm

Derp derp derp.
Each game, lets WASTE a lynch lynching Org.
When almost everyone has a power role useful in some way.
Yes.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 06:20:57 pm

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 06:13:53 pm

Derp derp derp.
Each game, lets WASTE a lynch lynching Org.
When almost everyone has a power role useful in some way.
Yes.

It's not a waste.

When you're town, you don't help the scumhunting process.  When you're scum, you're next to impossible to get lynched because people are just like 'oh that's just Org'.  Thus if you're not going to be useful, we should lynch you.

So far as power roles go, there are two reasons you're wrong:
- A town that relies on power roles to win the game is going to lose. We need to find scum and lynch them, not depend on power roles.
- As you said, almost everyone has a power role. Thus no matter who we lynch, they'll probably have a role.  Until you prove yourself, I'd rather keep someone else with a power role than you with a power role.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 06:24:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 05:58:23 pm

For future reference, you don't have to unvote if you're just going to change your vote. Doing it this way with the unvote after the vote is probably more confusing over all.

Ok, I'll do that, thanks.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 06:55:26 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:36:54 pm

Mysteriousbluepuppet, I don't think I've played a game with you before, so you can answer a question.

webadict is wearing a dress, and he asks you if it makes him look fat. What's the proper response?

Now for a question I actually care about the answer to. What's your general feeling going into this game? Excited? Nervous? Intimidated?

Also, Meph, since there's no indication of aliens in the flavor can we assume there are none?

Combo platter of the 3, havent played that fflavor of mafia yet, and it appear pretty damn nice.



Yaddah Solifuge Yaddah Yaddah

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 06:59:42 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 06:55:26 pm

Yaddah Solifuge Yaddah Yaddah

Why did you vote without a reason?  Are you not aware of how RVS works, or do you just suck at being useful?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:02:24 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 06:59:42 pm

... Are you not aware of how RVS works, ...

It doesn't.  We should skip it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:05:55 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:02:24 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 06:59:42 pm

... Are you not aware of how RVS works, ...

It doesn't.  We should skip it.

Forgive my ignorance, but what should we skip to?  There's nothing to work with before it.
RVS works a lot better than going HEY LOOK AT ME I'M VOTING FOR NO REASON, AND NOT EVEN ASKING A QUESTION.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 07:10:41 pm

Its a conversational catalyst, if nothing else. It leads to opinions and such. By itself, it really means very little... but what it creates is what is useful.

...like Mysteriousbluepuppet, the scummiest scourge on the seven seas.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:13:51 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:05:55 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:02:24 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 06:59:42 pm

... Are you not aware of how RVS works, ...

It doesn't.  We should skip it.

Forgive my ignorance, but what should we skip to?  There's nothing to work with before it.
RVS works a lot better than going HEY LOOK AT ME I'M VOTING FOR NO REASON, AND NOT EVEN ASKING A QUESTION.

We should skip immediately to lynching scum.  Since that's not likely, I wouldn't be opposed to an Org policy lynch (as you may have noticed).  Failing that, anything that will get people talking is useful.  RVS can do that, if done well.  But so few people do it well that it's rarely useful.

Quote from: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 07:10:41 pm

...like Mysteriousbluepuppet, the scummiest scourge on the seven seas.

But ... we're in the mountains.  (At least that's what I'd assume.  There's only one road which was destroyed by rockslide.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 07:16:17 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:13:51 pm

Quote from: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 07:10:41 pm

...like Mysteriousbluepuppet, the scummiest scourge on the seven seas.

But ... we're in the mountains.  (At least that's what I'd assume.  There's only one road which was destroyed by rockslide.)

This is precisely why this is a problem. How did he even get here?

Watch a master scumhunter at work, my friend, and learn.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:17:26 pm

Quote from: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 07:10:41 pm

Its a conversational catalyst, if nothing else. It leads to opinions and such. By itself, it really means very little... but what it creates is what is useful.

...like Mysteriousbluepuppet, the scummiest scourge on the seven seas.

OMGUS much?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:13:51 pm

We should skip immediately to lynching scum.  Since that's not likely, I wouldn't be opposed to an Org policy lynch (as you may have noticed).  Failing that, anything that will get people talking is useful.  RVS can do that, if done well.  But so few people do it well that it's rarely useful.

Why so anxious to move on without any useful info?  Want to start lynching townies ASAP, Janus?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:26:46 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:17:26 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:13:51 pm

We should skip immediately to lynching scum.  Since that's not likely, I wouldn't be opposed to an Org policy lynch (as you may have noticed).  Failing that, anything that will get people talking is useful.  RVS can do that, if done well.  But so few people do it well that it's rarely useful.

Why so anxious to move on without any useful info?  Want to start lynching townies ASAP, Janus?

What do you mean exactly?  My entire point was that anything to get people talking is useful (RVS not doing that well). 

Obviously, I'd rather lynch dopps and/or aliens.  The entire reason that I'm voting Org is because he never provides useful info.  Even now, the little he's posted has been ranting against me rather than doing anything useful.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:31:00 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:26:46 pm

What do you mean exactly?  My entire point was that anything to get people talking is useful (RVS not doing that well). 

Obviously, I'd rather lynch dopps and/or aliens.  The entire reason that I'm voting Org is because he never provides useful info.  Even now, the little he's posted has been ranting against me rather than doing anything useful.

Ok, that makes more sense.  Sorry for the misunderstanding, but it looked like you were trying to rush things from the first half of your post, the second half contradicted that, however.  I suppose my lack of any experience playing with Org is showing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 07:35:21 pm

Herp derp derp.
I dont know, it'll be pretty ironic.
Never provides. Useful. Information.
Of course, the number of games I did actually play in, don't count, I guess? Hm?

Also, FOS Kamina, he is rushing, you are dumb.
Janus basically just said that I haven't done anything useful, pretty much the pot calling the kettle black.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:39:33 pm

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 07:35:21 pm

Also, FOS Kamina, he is rushing, you are dumb.

How am I rushing anything?  The game is on a deadline.  Nothing I do will make the day move any faster. 

At least it's getting you talking, even if that talking isn't really helpful thus far.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 07:40:21 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:39:33 pm

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 07:35:21 pm

Also, FOS Kamina, he is rushing, you are dumb.

How am I rushing anything?  The game is on a deadline.  Nothing I do will make the day move any faster. 

At least it's getting you talking, even if that talking isn't really helpful thus far.

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 07:35:21 pm

the pot calling the kettle black.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:47:35 pm

Org, you'd make a perfect spore spreader.  Chances are you're not one, but damned if you wouldn't be THE BEST at it.

While it looked like he was trying to rush, he revoked it and it isn't going to work anyway.  From what I've seen of his playstyle in other games, he tends to do stupid shit like that whether he's town or scum, so I can't really conclude anything from it.  I will watch him, but I don't see enough evidence to vote him yet.

And lynching someone for being 'dumb' isn't a good strategy.  Look at where it got us in the current BM.  Two 'dumb' townies lynched in a row, and now at LYLO.  This isn't a BM, but voting on grounds of being 'dumb' isn't a good idea.  Especially using your definition of dumb, i.e. anyone who disagrees with you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mr.Person on November 09, 2010, 07:48:44 pm

Fuck you, JanusTwoface. You claim that RVS isn't going to start the conversion. Protip: Neither is a call for a policy lynch. Either everybody agrees with you, Org gets lynched, and you've otherwise learned nothing or people don't agree with you and nothing happens. So tell me, how is a policy lynch on Org going to kickstart the conversation?

Quote from: Zathras on November 09, 2010, 04:46:09 pm

Mr. Person, how do you think the new rules will affect day one dynamics?

There won't be any day kills, but otherwise it's going to be the same.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:47:35 pm

While it looked like he was trying to rush, he revoked it and it isn't going to work anyway.  From what I've seen of his playstyle in other games, he tends to do stupid shit like that whether he's town or scum, so I can't really conclude anything from it.  I will watch him, but I don't see enough evidence to vote him yet.

But ... but ... yeah.  It's probably stupid, but that doesn't mean I'm going to back down.  At least in Paranormal, there's always a backup plan.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 09, 2010, 07:48:44 pm

Fuck you, JanusTwoface. You claim that RVS isn't going to start the conversion. Protip: Neither is a call for a policy lynch. Either everybody agrees with you, Org gets lynched, and you've otherwise learned nothing or people don't agree with you and nothing happens. So tell me, how is a policy lynch on Org going to kickstart the conversation?

Um.  Look what's happening.  People are conversing.

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:00:39 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 05:58:23 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 04:51:06 pm

Usually there's indication of the existence of third party roles in the flavor, unless I've been so out of Paranormal mafias that this has changed. They'll show up as UFO sightings and other things, or they used to.

I can almost guarantee that there will be 1-3 aliens about. Happened in every round so far.

Do you think we should be worried about them already?

I have no idea. If we should be worried about them there's no way to really know until the game starts moving forward.

Quote from: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 05:53:15 pm

I'm not throwing out a random vote. What, if anything, do you think of what I'm doing right now?

Employing you're notoriously offkilter scumhunting method of questionable effectiveness.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 05:39:38 pm

webadict, what will be your strategy for this game?

This question bugs me and I can't quite put my finger on why.

Why are you not asking webadict a hypothetical question? Since you're asking what he's going to do, not what he would do, it's almost rolefishing, since strategy is inextricable from role.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:47:35 pm

Org, you'd make a perfect spore spreader.  Chances are you're not one, but damned if you wouldn't be THE BEST at it.

While it looked like he was trying to rush, he revoked it and it isn't going to work anyway.  From what I've seen of his playstyle in other games, he tends to do stupid shit like that whether he's town or scum, so I can't really conclude anything from it.  I will watch him, but I don't see enough evidence to vote him yet.

This is entirely too much explanation for an FOS from Org. Unvote. Watcha scared about, Squirtle?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:06:16 pm

Wait, what the hell am I talking about.

KaminaSquirtle, new question. What the hell are you talking about in that post I just voted you for? Who do all those ambiguous pronouns refer to?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 08:09:50 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:47:35 pm

Org, you'd make a perfect spore spreader.  Chances are you're not one, but damned if you wouldn't be THE BEST at it.

While it looked like he was trying to rush, he revoked it and it isn't going to work anyway.  From what I've seen of his playstyle in other games, he tends to do stupid shit like that whether he's town or scum, so I can't really conclude anything from it.  I will watch him, but I don't see enough evidence to vote him yet.

And lynching someone for being 'dumb' isn't a good strategy.  Look at where it got us in the current BM.  Two 'dumb' townies lynched in a row, and now at LYLO.  This isn't a BM, but voting on grounds of being 'dumb' isn't a good idea.  Especially using your definition of dumb, i.e. anyone who disagrees with you.

Kamina, you'd make the perfect scum. You probably are one. You are pretty obvscum.
Oh wait, you are. With Janus.
Or he is a spore spreader. Looking into that.

You are buddying him. Right now.
RIGHT NOW. You just made an excuse for one of his slip-ups. JEGUS.
UNVOTE. VOTE KAMINA SQUIRTLE

He isn't revoking a rush. He is still going. Nothing changed.
I wasn't lynching for being dumb(not completely anyway), I wanted to lynch him for accusing me of the same thing he is doing.
Derp, herp.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:10:31 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:00:39 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 05:39:38 pm

webadict, what will be your strategy for this game?

This question bugs me and I can't quite put my finger on why.

Why are you not asking webadict a hypothetical question? Since you're asking what he's going to do, not what he would do, it's almost rolefishing, since strategy is inextricable from role.

Sorry, it's only my 2nd game, and I royally sucked in the RVS of the first one, so it's effectively my first experience with RVS.  Would you like me to rephrase the question?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:00:39 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 07:47:35 pm

Org, you'd make a perfect spore spreader.  Chances are you're not one, but damned if you wouldn't be THE BEST at it.

While it looked like he was trying to rush, he revoked it and it isn't going to work anyway.  From what I've seen of his playstyle in other games, he tends to do stupid shit like that whether he's town or scum, so I can't really conclude anything from it.  I will watch him, but I don't see enough evidence to vote him yet.

This is entirely too much explanation for an FOS from Org. Unvote. Watcha scared about, Squirtle?

For one, I'm too used to defending against Azure right now, and you need large a explanation to do that.
I had no way of telling just how much people ignored Org's opinion, Janus may have just wanted me to believe that.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:06:16 pm

Wait, what the hell am I talking about.

KaminaSquirtle, new question. What the hell are you talking about in that post I just voted you for? Who do all those ambiguous pronouns refer to?

Sorry for the ambiguity, the hes in the second paragraph referred to Janus.  I was responding to Org.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:19:01 pm

Org is right, for once. Since we're still thick in the RVS there's no reason for you, KaminaSquirtle, to be coming out and defending JTF for whatever he's said and done. So why are you buddying him?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:10:31 pm

Sorry, it's only my 2nd game, and I royally sucked in the RVS of the first one, so it's effectively my first experience with RVS.  Would you like me to rephrase the question?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:10:31 pm

For one, I'm too used to defending against Azure right now, and you need large a explanation to do that.
I had no way of telling just how much people ignored Org's opinion, Janus may have just wanted me to believe that.

You talk too much. In an explanatory and conciliatory manner, no less. And you give too much ground at the slightest push.

*sniff*

I'm thinking you're probably scum. Or at the very least a paranoid noob. Which is it, Squirtle Squirtle Squirtle?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2010, 08:22:07 pm

The Whiteboard
Eduren: Toaster
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail, Mr.Person, Org
KaminaSquirtle: Jim Groovester
Mr.Person: Zathras
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Solifuge
Org: JanusTwoface
SHAD0Wdump: Criptfeind
Solifuge: Mysteriousbluepuppet
Zathras: Ottofar
webadict: KaminaSquirtle

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Thursday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:26:13 pm

Org swapped his vote to KaminaSquirtle.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:27:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:19:01 pm

Org is right, for once. Since we're still thick in the RVS there's no reason for you, KaminaSquirtle, to be coming out and defending JTF for whatever he's said and done. So why are you buddying him?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:10:31 pm

Sorry, it's only my 2nd game, and I royally sucked in the RVS of the first one, so it's effectively my first experience with RVS.  Would you like me to rephrase the question?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:10:31 pm

For one, I'm too used to defending against Azure right now, and you need large a explanation to do that.
I had no way of telling just how much people ignored Org's opinion, Janus may have just wanted me to believe that.

You talk too much. In an explanatory and conciliatory manner, no less. And you give too much ground at the slightest push.

*sniff*

I'm thinking you're probably scum. Or at the very least a paranoid noob. Which is it, Squirtle Squirtle Squirtle?

What do you think it is?  This is my first non BM game.  Everything seems to work completely differently.  Look at that game and how it worked.  That is my only experience with mafia.  Now I know what's expected.

I didn't know what the hell was expected.  Now I do.
So fuck off.  Time to get down to goddamn business.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Not timewise, but it makes us short town.  Scum should be lynched, not town, no matter how stupid.  That is the point of town.
Unvote.
Vote JanusTwoface.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:36:08 pm

It's a shame, I was about to extend you some noob slack but then you go and do something violently reactionary like this.

Whyyy are you voting for JTF? You were just explaining away his actions a minute ago.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:43:03 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:36:08 pm

It's a shame, I was about to extend you some noob slack but then you go and do something violently reactionary like this.

Whyyy are you voting for JTF? You were just explaining away his actions a minute ago.

Because I was thinking in the context of BM.  What he's doing seems different now.  I understand it from a new perspective.  He's suggesting a lynch simply because of a player's rep, with no regards to losing a chance to lynch scum.  I can unvote whenever the hell I want.  I want answers out of the fucker.

I'm done being wishy-washy, as you pointed out I was.  Are you seriously suggesting I would be so stupid as to bus my scumbuddy this early just because of a small accusation?
Goddamn, I'm not that stupid.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Eduren on November 09, 2010, 08:43:28 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 09, 2010, 04:46:09 pm

Eduren, given that flavour points our four dopp pods, how many other non-town roles should we expect?

While I may have more experience with Paranormal than you, I don't have much familiarity with the setup. If I were to venture a guess I'd say that the cult is unlikely, and we will have 3 or 4 third party roles.

Quote from: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 04:56:57 pm

Eduren, would you vote to lynch a claimed spore spreader?

Right now I see the spore spreader as a Jester. In both cases, a claim for that role is a whole barrel of WIFOM. Without any evidence to the contrary, my tendency is to lynch all WIFOMers. But I'm not really sure in this case.

---

Solifuge.

Quote from: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 05:53:15 pm

It starts!

I'm not throwing out a random vote. What, if anything, do you think of what I'm doing right now?

Quote from: Solifuge on November 09, 2010, 07:10:41 pm

Its a conversational catalyst, if nothing else. It leads to opinions and such. By itself, it really means very little... but what it creates is what is useful.

...like Mysteriousbluepuppet, the scummiest scourge on the seven seas.

Why did you make a post specifically to say that you wouldn't be participating in RVS, and then RV MBP?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 08:46:46 pm

Yep, watch it guys. Kamina is probably scum, or spore spreader.
Or scum hiding as ss.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:52:31 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:43:03 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:36:08 pm

It's a shame, I was about to extend you some noob slack but then you go and do something violently reactionary like this.

Whyyy are you voting for JTF? You were just explaining away his actions a minute ago.

Because I was thinking in the context of BM.  What he's doing seems different now.  I understand it from a new perspective.  He's suggesting a lynch simply because of a player's rep, with no regards to losing a chance to lynch scum.  I can unvote whenever the hell I want.  I want answers out of the fucker.

I'm done being wishy-washy, as you pointed out I was.  Are you seriously suggesting I would be so stupid as to bus my scumbuddy this early just because of a small accusation?
Goddamn, I'm not that stupid.

You were getting answers out of him before, and the vote wasn't required. What more do you think you're going to get out of him now that you're voting him? This 'tough' new stance you're taking seems a bit hollow and unnecessary.

Also, you're putting words in my mouth. I made no suggestion about your motives. But now that you've brought it up, is JTF your scumbuddy? I mean, since you just got accused of buddying, what better way to prove that you're not then voting the guy you're accused of buddying up to?

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 08:46:46 pm

Yep, watch it guys. Kamina is probably scum, or spore spreader.
Or scum hiding as ss.

Let's all get really paranoid any time somebody is acting scummy why don't we.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 08:53:40 pm

OH MAN JIM ISN'T AGREEING WITH ME.
SCUM.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2010, 08:57:47 pm

Kaminasquirtle.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:58:15 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:52:31 pm

You were getting answers out of him before, and the vote wasn't required. What more do you think you're going to get out of him now that you're voting him? This 'tough' new stance you're taking seems a bit hollow and unnecessary.

Also, you're putting words in my mouth. I made no suggestion about your motives. But now that you've brought it up, is JTF your scumbuddy? I mean, since you just got accused of buddying, what better way to prove that you're not then voting the guy you're accused of buddying up to?

What do you want me to do?  Unvote?  Vote Org or you?  Yeah, that wouldn't be scummy at all.  Janus seems most scummy to me right now.  If someone else presents themself, I'll vote them.

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 08:46:46 pm

Yep, watch it guys. Kamina is probably scum, or spore spreader.
Or scum hiding as ss.

Fucking WIFOM, how does it work?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 09, 2010, 08:59:32 pm

The Whiteboard
Eduren: Toaster
JanusTwoface: KaminaSquirtle, Leafsnail, Mr.Person
KaminaSquirtle: Jim Groovester, Org, webadict
Mr.Person: Zathras
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Solifuge
Org: JanusTwoface
SHAD0Wdump: Criptfeind
Solifuge: Eduren, Mysteriousbluepuppet
Zathras: Ottofar

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:01:30 pm

No.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 09:07:17 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:58:15 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:52:31 pm

You were getting answers out of him before, and the vote wasn't required. What more do you think you're going to get out of him now that you're voting him? This 'tough' new stance you're taking seems a bit hollow and unnecessary.

Also, you're putting words in my mouth. I made no suggestion about your motives. But now that you've brought it up, is JTF your scumbuddy? I mean, since you just got accused of buddying, what better way to prove that you're not then voting the guy you're accused of buddying up to?

What do you want me to do?  Unvote?  Vote Org or you?  Yeah, that wouldn't be scummy at all.  Janus seems most scummy to me right now.  If someone else presents themself, I'll vote them.

So, what, now that you're backed into a scummy corner you've got no options? That's pretty much basically correct.

As for what I want you to do, I want you to continue self-destructing (It's super effective!) because each little bit you gives me makes it easier and easier to vote for you.

As for what you should've done, you should've had good reasons for your actions and not violently reacted to a little questioning and pressure.

Oh well. Maybe next time.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:08:18 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 09, 2010, 08:57:47 pm

Kaminasquirtle.

This bothers me.
Do try.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2010, 09:09:34 pm

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:08:18 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 09, 2010, 08:57:47 pm

Kaminasquirtle.

This bothers me.
Do try.

Me Org.
Too busy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:10:14 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 09, 2010, 09:09:34 pm

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:08:18 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 09, 2010, 08:57:47 pm

Kaminasquirtle.

This bothers me.
Do try.

Me Org.
Too busy.

You Org.
Doinit wrong.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 09:15:47 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 09:07:17 pm

So, what, now that you're backed into a scummy corner you've got no options? That's pretty much basically correct.

As for what I want you to do, I want you to continue self-destructing (It's super effective!) because each little bit you gives me makes it easier and easier to vote for you.

As for what you should've done, you should've had good reasons for your actions and not violently reacted to a little questioning and pressure.

Oh well. Maybe next time.

Fine then.  You want me to just give up on this game?  I'm tempted to do so, seeing as there's almost no possible way for me to not get lynched.  I'll try to contribute anyway.  But only for one day, I guess.
I guess I wasn't ready for 'real' mafia.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:17:18 pm

That is a really bad way to go.
You are giving up. Really.
You have two days to convince us you aren't scum. Try.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 09, 2010, 09:20:05 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 09:15:47 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 09:07:17 pm

So, what, now that you're backed into a scummy corner you've got no options? That's pretty much basically correct.

As for what I want you to do, I want you to continue self-destructing (It's super effective!) because each little bit you gives me makes it easier and easier to vote for you.

As for what you should've done, you should've had good reasons for your actions and not violently reacted to a little questioning and pressure.

Oh well. Maybe next time.

Fine then.  You want me to just give up on this game?  I'm tempted to do so, seeing as there's almost no possible way for me to not get lynched.  I'll try to contribute anyway.  But only for one day, I guess.
I guess I wasn't ready for 'real' mafia.

Dude. Calm down. How many votes do you have on you right now? What's the chances you're goin-HAMMAH!

Nah. But, you're switching votes way too often for my blood. So, I'm voting you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 09:26:07 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 09:15:47 pm

Fine then.  You want me to just give up on this game?  I'm tempted to do so, seeing as there's almost no possible way for me to not get lynched.  I'll try to contribute anyway.  But only for one day, I guess.
I guess I wasn't ready for 'real' mafia.

Dude, if you knew all the scumtells you were dropping you'd be laughing your ass off right now. This is textbook noobscum stuff you're doing to a T.

But listen to Org. Giving up is the absolute wrong attitude to have right now. It will get you lynched. In addition to all the other scummy stuff you've just done. But giving up is the clincher.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 09:26:42 pm

Well, I said I'd stay and contribute for the first day, after which I figured I would be lynched.  If I don't get lynched, then I'll consider it an added bonus.

Does EVERYTHING I say make the situation worse?

BUT, I'll do my best from here on out.
On the bright side, I've learned more thus far in this game than I have in the entire BM so far.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 09:48:27 pm

Bah, game started while I was still sleeping... I was hoping I'd have my schedule sorted out by now.

Whatever.

And I'm not reading 4 to 5 pages to get up to speed, deal with it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:49:49 pm

Skim it. Read. You need to to understand what is happening.
Not reading is scummy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 09:50:44 pm

Too lazy, I feel scummy.

I need a bath.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 09:53:35 pm

DON'T JOIN GAMES YOU DON'T WANT TO PLAY.

Fucking hell, is this too much to ask?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 09:57:20 pm

Oh, I want to play it, I just don't want homework. I can still play it without going over the text bonanza.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 09:58:26 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 09:57:20 pm

Oh, I want to play it, I just don't want homework. I can still play it without going over the text bonanza.

You're not playing it if you don't read it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:00:28 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 09:50:44 pm

Too lazy, I feel scummy.

Wow. What a thing to say in mafia. Get your ass in here soon or you die. Unvote  SHAD0Wdump At least you are here. But really read it, I want your thoughts on what has happend so far, lets get you back up to speed huh?

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 06:02:41 pm

Unvote.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:42:10 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Completely useless question.

Save for drawing out those overeager to pounce on opening questions, Janus.

Yay! Lets act scummy and then vote the people that vote us for it! Fuck you LeafSnail, you should know better.

I got a feeling that Janus is going to try to sneak away well you guys go after that turtle, but I don't think I will let him.JTF

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:04:39 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 09:58:26 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 09:57:20 pm

Oh, I want to play it, I just don't want homework. I can still play it without going over the text bonanza.

You're not playing it if you don't read it.

This.

If you want to play you've gotta put in the effort it takes. If you don't want to put in the effort then get the hell out so I don't have to worry about dead weight to the town like you.

It's five pages of short RVS posts. Oh dear, if that's too much trouble imagine what you'll have to go through later on in the game.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:00:28 pm

I got a feeling that Janus is going to try to sneak away well you guys go after that turtle, but I don't think I will let him.JTF

Uhh, what do you want to keep him from sneaking away from? If there's no reason this vote is useless and scummy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:08:13 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:04:39 pm

It's five pages of short RVS posts. Oh dear, if that's too much trouble imagine what you'll have to go through later on in the game.

Imagine what you'll go through when I...

Three words only.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:04:39 pm

Uhh, what do you want to keep him from sneaking away from? If there's no reason this vote is useless and scummy.

Sorry jimmy, I am on my bad computer, it takes forever to play mafia on it but people keep talking, so I put the vote down then started working on the accusation post. Here it is.

---

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 05:58:23 pm

Are you being useful yet?  No. Thus policy lynch.

More useful then you so far. He has called someone on somthing scummy, all you have done is beat your chest about a policy lynch.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 06:20:57 pm

When you're town, you don't help the scumhunting process.  When you're scum, you're next to impossible to get lynched because people are just like 'oh that's just Org'.  Thus if you're not going to be useful, we should lynch you.

I dissagree, I find scum org not that hard to lynch. I think you have very odd fear of him. Not really, I think you are scum trying to poloicy lynch some poor dumb sap.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:02:24 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 06:59:42 pm

... Are you not aware of how RVS works, ...

It doesn't.  We should skip it.

How? Randomly lynching people has no way to work ever, I am sure even you know that, what do you think we should do?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:13:51 pm

We should skip immediately to lynching scum.  Since that's not likely, I wouldn't be opposed to an Org policy lynch (as you may have noticed).  Failing that, anything that will get people talking is useful.  RVS can do that, if done well.  But so few people do it well that it's rarely useful.

Oh. Is any scum more blantent then the one who crys "do not even try, lets just lie down to die right now?"

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:39:33 pm

How am I rushing anything?  The game is on a deadline.  Nothing I do will make the day move any faster.

How about here

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:13:51 pm

We should skip immediately to lynching scum.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

But ... but ... yeah.  It's probably stupid, but that doesn't mean I'm going to back down.  At least in Paranormal, there's always a backup plan.

DON'T WORRY WE DON'T HAVE TO BE GOOD! SOMETHING ELSE WILL SAVE US!

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

Um.  Look what's happening.  People are conversing.

Iggnore the scummy stuff I have done, it was to make people talk. Yeah. No.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

But it sure as hell shuts down conversation. Hell, if we had agreed with you the game would pretty much start on day two.

Quote from: webadict on November 09, 2010, 09:09:34 pm

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:08:18 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 09, 2010, 08:57:47 pm

Kaminasquirtle.

This bothers me.
Do try.

Me Org.
Too busy.

I hate you webadict.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:17:25 pm

For the record, your only non scummy post was the in post. Nice one JTF.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:19:07 pm

Usefulness comes later.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:21:34 pm

AHUGH WHY DO I NOT HAVE TWO VOTES!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:23:41 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:19:07 pm

Usefulness comes later.

You're really hitting up all the scum tells in such a deliberate fashion.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:24:55 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:23:41 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:19:07 pm

Usefulness comes later.

You're really hitting up all the scum tells in such a deliberate fashion.

I NO RITE?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:25:56 pm

SS then?

HAve fun getting nightkilled.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:28:46 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:25:56 pm

SS then?

HAve fun getting nightkilled.

You dopp or exterminator then? Only those wouldn't spread the spores.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:30:22 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:28:46 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:25:56 pm

SS then?

HAve fun getting nightkilled.

You dopp or exterminator then? Only those wouldn't spread the spores.

SS=Town

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:32:03 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:30:22 pm

SS=Town

Since when?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:34:31 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 01, 2010, 03:13:25 pm

Spore Spreader
    Race: Alien
    Goal: Kill
    Rules: This alien organism has been engineered to spread by spores and take over human hosts. The only thing is that the host has to die for the spores to spread. Whenever the Spore Spreader is lynched, two random people will be targeted by spores. If the target is human, they will lose their current role/race and become a new Spore Spreader. If the spore spreader is night-killed, the attacker is hit by spores. Aliens and Doppelgangers are immune to the spores.
    Tech: 0 Slots
    Victory: At least one living Spore Spreader alive with a town victory. If a Spore Spreader is the last living being in town, they also win.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:36:07 pm

Interesting... Still...

Criptfiend

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:37:42 pm

Why?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:38:47 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:30:22 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:28:46 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:25:56 pm

SS then?

HAve fun getting nightkilled.

You dopp or exterminator then? Only those wouldn't spread the spores.

SS=Town

Very poor response.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:40:26 pm

I hope there's a detective in this game.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:30:22 pm

SS=Town

Not really. They win with the town but they're not helpful to it.

Quote from: Eduren on November 09, 2010, 08:43:28 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 04:56:57 pm

Eduren, would you vote to lynch a claimed spore spreader?

Right now I see the spore spreader as a Jester. In both cases, a claim for that role is a whole barrel of WIFOM. Without any evidence to the contrary, my tendency is to lynch all WIFOMers. But I'm not really sure in this case.

Time to ask this question again.

Do you think SHADOWdump is capable enough to pull off a Spore Spreader fake claim? Exterminator with Holoform Modulator would be make for an exceptionally potent fake claim.

What about, oh, you, Pandarsenic? What do you think about it?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:41:57 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:40:26 pm

Do you think SHADOWdump is capable enough to pull off a Spore Spreader fake claim?

I could try, but I'm not.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:46:15 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:38:47 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:30:22 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:28:46 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:25:56 pm

SS then?

HAve fun getting nightkilled.

You dopp or exterminator then? Only those wouldn't spread the spores.

SS=Town

Very poor response.

I can answer a retorical question or try to get a anti towny killed.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:40:26 pm

Not really. They win with the town but they're not helpful to it.

They are a town vote at least. It is a gamble for eather team to keep them alive, I am not a gambling man, I hope that the scum are not ether.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:41:57 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 10:40:26 pm

Do you think SHADOWdump is capable enough to pull off a Spore Spreader fake claim?

I could try, but I'm not.

By your reactions you are doing that or you are a SS. Both ways you should die.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:48:59 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:46:15 pm

, I am not a gambling man

So far you are.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:54:34 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:48:59 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:46:15 pm

, I am not a gambling man

So far you are.

How? Also less Org please, more smart.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:56:42 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:54:34 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:48:59 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:46:15 pm

, I am not a gambling man

So far you are.

How? Also less Org please, more smart.

No. Less is more.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:58:27 pm

Serously, we get it, you are a SS or something.

No go over the thread and say what you think, maybe a protecter will save you. But not at this rate.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:01:06 pm

Nope. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 11:02:28 pm

Unvote Eduren.  Fair enough.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:28:46 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:25:56 pm

SS then?

HAve fun getting nightkilled.

You dopp or exterminator then? Only those wouldn't spread the spores.

SHAD0Wdump: This is an extremely weak attack- it really looks to me like thinly veiled deflection.  This, coupled with your attempts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703588#msg1703588) to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703594#msg1703594) antagonize (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703635#msg1703635) people (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703658#msg1703658), just looks like an attempt to get people angry instead of a legitimate attempt to find scum.  Give some solid reasons for your vote, or get back out there and find some.

And YouTube links are not scum hunting.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:10:31 pm

Sorry, it's only my 2nd game, and I royally sucked in the RVS of the first one, so it's effectively my first experience with RVS.  Would you like me to rephrase the question?

You're being waaaay too nice. That's scummy. Even if you manage to get yourself lynched, please don't give up on Mafia. Learn and move on. That being said, if you want to survive Day 1, stop being scummy.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Not timewise, but it makes us short town.  Scum should be lynched, not town, no matter how stupid.  That is the point of town.
Unvote.
Vote JanusTwoface.

It only makes us short town if they're actually town. And even then, if they're dragging down the town it's a good trade. Mafias (in general) are balanced so that you can mislynch twice and still win.

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:17:18 pm

That is a really bad way to go.
You are giving up. Really.
You have two days to convince us you aren't scum. Try.

Quote from: Org on November 09, 2010, 09:49:49 pm

Skim it. Read. You need to to understand what is happening.
Not reading is scummy.

Huh.  Actually being helpful.  Still not actively scumhunting and a bit short on the overall content, but it's a start.

unvote Org

Please continue to be helpful (and cut the herp derp crap).

Spoiler: Responses to Criptfeind (click to show/hide)

I'm not sure why... Your entire post is essentially worthless except the comment on webadict, but here goes.  Anything I didn't respond to, I didn't think was worth responding to.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:00:28 pm

I got a feeling that Janus is going to try to sneak away well you guys go after that turtle, but I don't think I will let him.JTF

Umm... what?  What exactly do you mean sneak away? I'm not going anywhere.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

More useful then you so far. He has called someone on somthing scummy, all you have done is beat your chest about a policy lynch.

If all you've seen me do is that, you haven't been reading well.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

How? Randomly lynching people has no way to work ever, I am sure even you know that, what do you think we should do?

Thanks for taking that out of context. I already answered this literally sentences after the quote you pulled out.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

DON'T WORRY WE DON'T HAVE TO BE GOOD! SOMETHING ELSE WILL SAVE US!

Nope.  What I meant is that almost everyone has a power role. Thus I personally have a backup plan.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

But it sure as hell shuts down conversation. Hell, if we had agreed with you the game would pretty much start on day two.

The whole point is that people don't agree with me. And the it doesn't shut down conversation. I'm doing it and people are talking about it. How hard is that to understand?

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:17:25 pm

For the record, your only non scummy post was the in post. Nice one JTF.

Bullshit.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:19:07 pm

Usefulness comes later.

This should be enough to lynch you on.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:30:22 pm

SS=Town

Wrong. SS == 3rd party. Deal with the scum first.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:56:42 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:54:34 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:48:59 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:46:15 pm

, I am not a gambling man

So far you are.

How? Also less Org please, more smart.

No. Less is more.

Wrong. Minimalism actively hurts town. Even if you refuse to read through what's already been said, at the very least you need to be active from here on out.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 11:07:59 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 11:02:28 pm

SHAD0Wdump: This is an extremely weak attack- it really looks to me like thinly veiled deflection.  This, coupled with your attempts (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703588#msg1703588) to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703594#msg1703594) antagonize (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703635#msg1703635) people (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703658#msg1703658), just looks like an attempt to get people angry instead of a legitimate attempt to find scum.  Give some solid reasons for your vote, or get back out there and find some.

So you don't buy his Spore Spreader claim?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:09:33 pm

Fine.

He suggests me getting nightkilled, but only exterminators and dopps can do that without just spreading the spores around. SS hurts town by sapping abilities. So why would Dopps or Exterminator want to kill a SS?

I had a sense this was an attempt to hide a potential kill on me with inoccence, but the fact is no method by town to kill a SS will work to their advantage, and the same is true for dopps and exterminator for a differant reason.

The most that can be done is for town to try to get dopps or exterminater to screw up and hit the SS.

Back to three for me, zoop!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 11:12:02 pm

He's being way too obvious about it.  It looks to me like he's trying to make everyone think he's a spore spreader.

Post edit warning:  You get credit for explaining your vote, but your reasoning is still very thin.  Do you still think he's scum?  If not, who do you think is?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:17:55 pm

Well, two reasons I feel scumminess from the guy...

A: He's attempting to get me lynched by assuming spore spreader. Lynching a spore spreader is probably the worst thing you can do to one.

B: He switched his reasoning to me not being a spore spreader. While I'll stress this is true, it brings less reason to the table for my lynch as I'm not trying to claim spore spreader.


Ok, the three thing is heavily hypocritical now, I'm just trying a playstyle that I feel is fun. Plus it is good for attempting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703588#msg1703588) to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703594#msg1703594) antagonize (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703635#msg1703635) people. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703658#msg1703658)

Blahahaha.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:20:05 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:17:55 pm

Well, two reasons I feel scumminess from the guy...

A: He's attempting to get me lynched by assuming spore spreader. Lynching a spore spreader is probably the worst thing you can do to one.

B: He switched his reasoning to me not being a spore spreader. While I'll stress this is true, it brings less reason to the table for my lynch as I'm not trying to claim spore spreader.


Ok, the three thing is heavily hypocritical now, I'm just trying a playstyle that I feel is fun. Plus it is good for attempting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703588#msg1703588) to (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703594#msg1703594) antagonize (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703635#msg1703635) people. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703658#msg1703658)

Blahahaha.

Who is this guy you are talking of here? Also trolling is not the same as mafia playing.

Fuck this, I am going to my good computer.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:21:04 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:20:05 pm

Also trolling is not the same as mafia playing.

Yeah it is, Web does it all the time.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 11:26:58 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:21:04 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:20:05 pm

Also trolling is not the same as mafia playing.

Yeah it is, Web does it all the time.

You don't have to be like Webadict. This be wholly unnapropriate.

In other news, i find that Kamina really need to get a grip, that towel was dropped way too fast. Hell, the game is started for less thna 12 hours and seems you are already ready to die. Wanna survive ? Get scumhunting

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:30:00 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 11:26:58 pm

Get scumhunting

Already found one.

Anyway, busy streaming.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 11:30:38 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:30:00 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 11:26:58 pm

Get scumhunting

Already found one.

Anyway, busy streaming.

Oh actually i was talking to Kamina, sorry if i was not clear.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 11:31:14 pm

About the scumhinting, not the webadict-ness

Hell i need some sleep.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:32:17 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:17:55 pm

A: He's attempting to get me lynched by assuming spore spreader. Lynching a spore spreader is probably the worst thing you can do to one.

You countered this point with the second sentence. If he's trying to lynch you, he either doesn't think you're the spore or he's a third party. It's as easy as that.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:17:55 pm

B: He switched his reasoning to me not being a spore spreader. While I'll stress this is true, it brings less reason to the table for my lynch as I'm not trying to claim spore spreader.

Saying things doesn't make them true. And outright claiming the spore spreader would be a rather poor plan. WIFOMing it like you're doing is a little better, but it essentially means you are one of three things:
- Town working against the town, lynchable
- WIFOMing Spore Spreader, lynchable anyways (see below)
- Scum trying to hide behind being spore spreader, lynchable

For Spore Spreader prime, getting lynched makes sense and it doesn't necessarily hurt the town too badly. We lose 0-2 power roles, depending on how many aliens/dopps were voting you. If the dice fall badly and both of your spore clouds land on dopps/aliens, you lose.

In any case if there's a Xenozooligist about, I bet they'll kidnap you tonight. Good chance that you're not townie, so a good pick either way.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:21:04 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:20:05 pm

Also trolling is not the same as mafia playing.

Yeah it is, Web does it all the time.

Please don't emulate webadict. One is already far more than we need.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:32:41 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:10:31 pm

Sorry, it's only my 2nd game, and I royally sucked in the RVS of the first one, so it's effectively my first experience with RVS.  Would you like me to rephrase the question?

You're being waaaay too nice. That's scummy. Even if you manage to get yourself lynched, please don't give up on Mafia. Learn and move on. That being said, if you want to survive Day 1, stop being scummy.

I understand this now.  Somehow this was never pointed out in the BM.  Useless thing.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Not timewise, but it makes us short town.  Scum should be lynched, not town, no matter how stupid.  That is the point of town.
Unvote.
Vote JanusTwoface.

It only makes us short town if they're actually town. And even then, if they're dragging down the town it's a good trade. Mafias (in general) are balanced so that you can mislynch twice and still win.

Are you really saying we should mislynch less than ideal townies over scum because it won't absolutely kill us?  That's complete bullshit.  We shouldn't settle for townies when we can find scum.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:56:42 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:54:34 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 10:48:59 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:46:15 pm

, I am not a gambling man

So far you are.

How? Also less Org please, more smart.

No. Less is more.

Wrong. Minimalism actively hurts town. Even if you refuse to read through what's already been said, at the very least you need to be active from here on out.

I agree with this at least.


Shadow, you're obviously trying to get yourself lynched.  You can't really be that stupid.

Quote from: Toaster on November 09, 2010, 11:12:02 pm

He's being way too obvious about it.  It looks to me like he's trying to make everyone think he's a spore spreader.

WIFOM, but still a validish point.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:21:04 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:20:05 pm

Also trolling is not the same as mafia playing.

Yeah it is, Web does it all the time.

Case in point.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 11:26:58 pm

In other news, i find that Kamina really need to get a grip, that towel was dropped way too fast. Hell, the game is started for less thna 12 hours and seems you are already ready to die. Wanna survive ? Get scumhunting

I'm trying to get a feel for how these games work.  I figured it a good idea to cool off and think more logically for a bit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:35:39 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:32:41 pm

You can't really be that stupid.

I rarely play mafia, yes I can.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:38:41 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:32:41 pm

Are you really saying we should mislynch less than ideal townies over scum because it won't absolutely kill us?  That's complete bullshit.  We shouldn't settle for townies when we can find scum.

Not really. If there's not a clear scumpick, getting rid of someone that will cause problems during the endgame is a perfectly valid strategy. Now Org was being somewhat useful and there are plenty of scummier candidates to choose from: you, SHAD0Wdump, and Criptfeind.

Then there's Panarsenic, Mr.Person, and webadict, all with plenty of experience telling them that lurking is scummy and yet doing it anyways.  Especially Pandarsenic, who's online but has yet to post...

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:35:39 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:32:41 pm

You can't really be that stupid.

I rarely play mafia, yes I can.

Do you want to by lynched?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:39:58 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:30:00 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 09, 2010, 11:26:58 pm

Get scumhunting

Already found one.

Anyway, busy streaming.

Awfully confident for a bullshit argument.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:35:39 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:32:41 pm

You can't really be that stupid.

I rarely play mafia, yes I can.

Everyone was all over me for shit like this.  If you're serious, I really don't have anything to say.  You're doing about everything you can to get lynched.  If I looked like this, I was hella bad.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

More useful then you so far. He has called someone on somthing scummy, all you have done is beat your chest about a policy lynch.

If all you've seen me do is that, you haven't been reading well.

Okay, lets look at all your posts up to that point and see.

[urlhttp://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1683605#msg1683605]In post.[/url]
1st game post, you say that aliens are most likely in and that someone else is useless, you also attack org here. Theory still strong. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702662#msg1702662)
Second game post, defending your lets lynch org. Theory still strong. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702696#msg1702696)
3th game post, more org. Some technical things. Very very light hit at solly, the first real thing in this game that does not have to do with org. Theory is Okay, maybe if you follow up on solly it will crumble. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702884#msg1702884)
4th game post, defense against a stupid attack. Not a death blow to theory but obvious I was exaggerating when I said you did nothing else. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702916#msg1702916)
5th game post. More org. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702950#msg1702950)
6th game post. You say RVT is useless and we should skip, no thoughts on how to skip. Ties in with org lynch. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703079#msg1703079)
7th game post, same as above but with stronger ties to org lynch, a little playing with Solly. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703113#msg1703113)
8th game post. Same as above. No playing with Solly. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703149#msg1703149)
9th. Same as above. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703182#msg1703182)
10th and last. more Org. You say you have a back up plan. And that it is okay to be scummy because it gets people to talk. Also know as the Solly complete-lack-of-defense. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703232#msg1703232)

I am sorry you are right. I was wrong. I should have said "all you have done that is significant is beat your chest about a policy lynch."

If you suck at sarcasm I am saying you are wrong here.

Holly fuck seven new replies. I will post this then get on to the next bit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

I'm not sure why... Your entire post is essentially worthless except the comment on webadict, but here goes.  Anything I didn't respond to, I didn't think was worth responding to.

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I dissagree, I find scum org not that hard to lynch. I think you have very odd fear of him. Not really, I think you are scum trying to poloicy lynch some poor dumb sap.

Blah blah blah, I don't care about your answer to this one so we will skip it. It is personal preference really.

Lets get down.

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Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

I'm not sure why... Your entire post is essentially worthless except the comment on webadict, but here goes.  Anything I didn't respond to, I didn't think was worth responding to.

Really, what you 'ignored' seems to refute some points you made right in this post I am quoting, is that why you ignored them? They point out how scummy you are? We will get to that later I think.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:00:28 pm

I got a feeling that Janus is going to try to sneak away well you guys go after that turtle, but I don't think I will let him.JTF

Umm... what?  What exactly do you mean sneak away? I'm not going anywhere.

You were the center of attention, Turtle stepped in and became the center of attention. You disappeared for two pages. I just don't want people to forget you in their attacks on him. Obviously since you are posting you are not trying to make a get away, but I still want people to look at you.

Derrrr. I forgot to merge these two posts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:54:09 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:38:41 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 11:32:41 pm

Are you really saying we should mislynch less than ideal townies over scum because it won't absolutely kill us?  That's complete bullshit.  We shouldn't settle for townies when we can find scum.

Not really. If there's not a clear scumpick, getting rid of someone that will cause problems during the endgame is a perfectly valid strategy. Now Org was being somewhat useful and there are plenty of scummier candidates to choose from: you, SHAD0Wdump, and Criptfeind.

Then there's Panarsenic, Mr.Person, and webadict, all with plenty of experience telling them that lurking is scummy and yet doing it anyways.  Especially Pandarsenic, who's online but has yet to post...

That's better.  You seemed to have been arguing for lynching dysfunctional townies without trying to find actual scum.  However, I still think you should only go for dysfunctional townies if there's almost no leads on the scum.  Which is not the case.  So we should be hunting them, not worrying about lynching townies.

I can agree on the lurkers.  Where the hell are you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 12:09:04 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

How? Randomly lynching people has no way to work ever, I am sure even you know that, what do you think we should do?

Thanks for taking that out of context. I already answered this literally sentences after the quote you pulled out.

Here is a point where you ignored what seemed to be a prophetic attack by me.

You say

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We should skip immediately to lynching scum.  Since that's not likely, I wouldn't be opposed to an Org policy lynch (as you may have noticed).  Failing that, anything that will get people talking is useful.  RVS can do that, if done well.  But so few people do it well that it's rarely useful.

So. Lynch scum. But don't hunt for scum just lynch Org. If you can find Scum lynch Org. Or if not Org then lynch someone so we can talk about it, like say... Org.

You really hate Org. Lynch Org or lynch randomly. Don't do RVT, I wont tell you what else to do but if you can not think of anything then do RVT.

You are a pile of scummy contradictions.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

DON'T WORRY WE DON'T HAVE TO BE GOOD! SOMETHING ELSE WILL SAVE US!

Nope.  What I meant is that almost everyone has a power role. Thus I personally have a backup plan.

Well and good for you. If you are scum though that does not help us at all. And even if you were not scum then the scum will still have power roles. Lets not not care because I am sure that no mater what you can do, if we just don't care about the game the scum will win anyway.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:15:17 pm

But it sure as hell shuts down conversation. Hell, if we had agreed with you the game would pretty much start on day two.

The whole point is that people don't agree with me. And the it doesn't shut down conversation. I'm doing it and people are talking about it. How hard is that to understand?

Yeah. So, scummy actions are just to get people to talk? No bad JTF bad boy! That never works. And if you will notice, people are talking, but there is a distinct lack of policy lynching going on.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:17:25 pm

For the record, your only non scummy post was the in post. Nice one JTF.

Bullshit.

Noooope Still think so. You have failed to impress.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:03:30 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:30:22 pm

SS=Town

Wrong. SS == 3rd party. Deal with the scum first.

Meh. A town vote is a town vote. And I have no plans to 'deal' with him other then pointing out to the scum how much of a good idea it is for them to kill him. Why does everyone (That I think is anti town) saying that I want to lynch him?

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:21:04 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:20:05 pm

Also trolling is not the same as mafia playing.

Yeah it is, Web does it all the time.

1st: You are not as good as Web.
2ed: Web is not as good as Web.
3th: Answer the other damn question you lying ass. You god damn something or another that was me you were talking about!

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:17:55 pm

A: He's attempting to get me lynched by assuming spore spreader. Lynching a spore spreader is probably the worst thing you can do to one.

B: He switched his reasoning to me not being a spore spreader. While I'll stress this is true, it brings less reason to the table for my lynch as I'm not trying to claim spore spreader.

I never said anything of the kind. These are bold face lies!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 12:20:22 am

FUCK! A trillion new replies since I last posted! That is utterly amazing, you guys... Meph: I told you, what this board needed was a new Paranormal. *cheer*

First, Unvote - thank you for your minimally helpful answer Mr Person (there's more to the new rules than daykills, but that was half a dozen pages ago, so let's move on).

Second, I'll catch up with all the posts eventually (and therefore some of these impressions may change), but a handful of thoughts in the mean time:

- Org is not being usual Org. He has posted paragraphs. It may either mean Org is being helpful now (good) or Scum Org looking for a new screen. For now, I'm partial to his thinking "Org help town, herp, being good, derp, don't lynch", instead of his usual Scum Org game "Org scum is not here, herp, say nuthin', derp"....
- Janus, the other side of that coin, is eager, maybe a bit too much; I understand the sentiment of his point, but Org is not (yet) being useless, so back off the policy lynch or be branded as scummy "lynch someone NOW!" Answer this: given the latest developments, do you still want Org lyched? If so, why?
- Solifuge "I vote none, so how 'bout that!" post is, at least, novel, but not useful. Do something, or hang, dude.
- Ottofar, to answer your question ("what's most useful tech?") I have no idea; earlier games, I'd say assasin bot every time, regardless of alignment or other variables. In this new setup, maybe one of the new shields or bombs.
- Webadict is being cryptic. Which may be fine, he may be feelin' creative, but it's not what I'd have expected of his usual town game. Suspicious.
- M.BleuPuppet. être utile, oui? You've not really helped the chase yet. You've been noobish, useless and lacking a guiding goal. My read so far is noobtown, but that will likely change with time... Who are your top three scumpick for now?
- Shadowdump: "Too lazy, I feel scummy. I need a bath", and a hundred more...  Do you want to play? Is this a gambit? are you at all interested? having seen a bit of your earlier play, I'm inclined to take you at your scummy word and say you're refuging in audacity, scum. You're being Orger than Org, and proving all of Janus's points. If you're town, you're hurting town. If you're scum, you're hurting town. Therefore: hang. You're my favourite to hang now, until I hear from Pandar.
- Kamina, you're being useful and active, but clueless. Clueless Scum or Clueless Town, I've  not yet decided. But bringing yourself to the foreground earns you a FoS: Kamina. This doesn't necessarily mean you're scum, some of us are more drawn to the spotlight than others, but you should know by now that being one of those will at least make you seem suspect. So, FoS on you. Tell us why you're being helpful, and why wouldn't we be better off without you.
- Pandarsenic hasn't answered my original question ("how much will you lurk", ironically) hours ago. I want to hear your reasoned opinions on the frickin' 10 pages of posts, and I'll unvote you, unless you look the scummier for them.


Blue and bolded ones, please answer the questions. Everybody else, I don't know. Too many people to form opinions of at once. We'll see as time proceeds.

if there are questions pending for me, please repost them, as traffic may have obscure them.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

PPE: Response to Zathras after this.

Spoiler: 'Chest beating' math, not really necessary reading (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

1st game post, you say that aliens are most likely in and that someone else is useless, you also attack org here. Theory still strong.

Attack on Leafsnail, comment on Jim Groovester, Org policy lynch.
Still 1/3 ain't bad...

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

Second game post, defending your lets lynch org. Theory still strong.

Right on this one.
1 1/3 so far.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

3th game post, more org. Some technical things. Very very light hit at solly, the first real thing in this game that does not have to do with org. Theory is Okay, maybe if you follow up on solly it will crumble.

Comments on Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, and Solifuge.  Two on Org.
So 2/5 here so 1 11/15 total.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

4th game post, defense against a stupid attack. Not a death blow to theory but obvious I was exaggerating when I said you did nothing else.

Not directly Org related.
0/1.
1 11/15.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

5th game post. More org.

Repsonses to Org, sure. But completely game related. I'll give you half.
Total is 2 7/30.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

6th game post. You say RVT is useless and we should skip, no thoughts on how to skip. Ties in with org lynch.

No it doesn't. We should go directly into scum hunting without all the pointless questions.
0/1.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

7th game post, same as above but with stronger ties to org lynch, a little playing with Solly.

This time I rbing up the Org lynch. But the entire point is that anything getting people talking (including bringing up policy lynches) is useful.  Then the Solifuge business.
2/3 (and I think I'm being generous).
2 9/10

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

8th game post. Same as above. No playing with Solly.

Yup. Same as above. The point is that RVS is useless and that getting people talking is helpful.
1/2 for 3 2/5.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

9th. Same as above.

Def not. It's about rushing, not at all about policy lynches. Unless you really believe that talking about a policy lynch actually rushes the game.
0

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

10th and last. more Org. You say you have a back up plan. And that it is okay to be scummy because it gets people to talk. Also know as the Solly complete-lack-of-defense.

Do you agree now that it is getting people to talk?  Huh.  In any case, 1/2 Policy Lynch related at best.
Total is 3 9/10.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

I am sorry you are right. I was wrong. I should have said "all you have done that is significant is beat your chest about a policy lynch."

So basically 40% of my content up to that point was Org policy lynch (and I still think I'm being generous).  Your point just doesn't stand up.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

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I dissagree, I find scum org not that hard to lynch. I think you have very odd fear of him. Not really, I think you are scum trying to poloicy lynch some poor dumb sap.

In my experience he's hard to lynch. If you've had a difference experience, that's great, but it really doesn't effect what I think.  Thus why I didn't think it was worth responding to.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Really, what you 'ignored' seems to refute some points you made right in this post I am quoting, is that why you ignored them? They point out how scummy you are? We will get to that later I think.

Just like how your post countered itself and how the quotes you took out of context were countered / meant the opposite of what you made out when they were in context?  Bring it.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Well and good for you. If you are scum though that does not help us at all. And even if you were not scum then the scum will still have power roles. Lets not not care because I am sure that no mater what you can do, if we just don't care about the game the scum will win anyway.

I have no idea what you're saying here...

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Yeah. So, scummy actions are just to get people to talk? No bad JTF bad boy! That never works. And if you will notice, people are talking, but there is a distinct lack of policy lynching going on.

I don't think it's scummy. And my actions are getting people to talk. I didn't expect a policy lynch on Org to go though. And at this point, I'd actually rather it didn't. He's doing a little better. We'll see tomorrow / Thursday if that holds.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Meh. A town vote is a town vote. And I have no plans to 'deal' with him other then pointing out to the scum how much of a good idea it is for them to kill him. Why does everyone (That I think is anti town) saying that I want to lynch him?

A town vote is a town vote.  A 3rd party vote is a 3rd party vote. It's entirely possible that the Spore Spreaders could work something out with other Aliens and be completely anti-town (for example).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:25:54 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 12:20:22 am

FUCK! A trillion new replies since I last posted! That is utterly amazing, you guys... Meph: I told you, what this board needed was a new Paranormal. *cheer*

There are still lurkers.  Too many lurkers, just hidden by the noise.

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 12:20:22 am

- Janus, the other side of that coin, is eager, maybe a bit too much; I understand the sentiment of his point, but Org is not (yet) being useless, so back off the policy lynch or be branded as scummy "lynch someone NOW!" Answer this: given the latest developments, do you still want Org lyched? If so, why?

I'm guessing you haven't read through everything. Throughout the policy lynch bits, he wasn't being useful. Then he had a couple of useful posts, so I've since unvoted him. We'll see how he does tomorrow / Thursday but I'm semi-hopeful.

Right now there are scummier and lurkier people anyways.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 12:36:26 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:25:54 am

I'm guessing you haven't read through everything. Throughout the policy lynch bits, he wasn't being useful. Then he had a couple of useful posts, so I've since unvoted him. We'll see how he does tomorrow / Thursday but I'm semi-hopeful. Right now there are scummier and lurkier people anyways.

Fair points, and UnFoS Janus, is there's such a thing. I'm stil catching up. But a question for you: what is your opinion of Shadowdump so far? He really has been Orger than Org, and scummy to top it off... should he fall to the ax you had branded for Org earlier?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 12:54:17 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 12:20:22 am

Arent you going to find a minor infraction with me, tunnel me to the end of time and cause me to tunnel you, wasting two days and giving the game to the scum?

It's tradition.

Also you have no thoughts on me. Makes me sad, I thought we were hate buddies when we played mafia?

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Okay, lets play that math game.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Attack on Leafsnail, comment on Jim Groovester, Org policy lynch.
Still 1/3 ain't bad...

Everything but Org was insignificant. 1

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

Second game post, defending your lets lynch org. Theory still strong.

Right on this one.
1 1/3 so far.

2

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

3th game post, more org. Some technical things. Very very light hit at solly, the first real thing in this game that does not have to do with org. Theory is Okay, maybe if you follow up on solly it will crumble.

Comments on Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, and Solifuge.  Two on Org.
So 2/5 here so 1 11/15 total.

Two of thous are insignificant or not really part of the game. 2 2/3

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

4th game post, defense against a stupid attack. Not a death blow to theory but obvious I was exaggerating when I said you did nothing else.

Not directly Org related.
0/1.
1 11/15.

Once again not significant, but what ever, it is more then the others so you can have it. 2 2/3

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

5th game post. More org.

Repsonses to Org, sure. But completely game related. I'll give you half.
Total is 2 7/30.

No, this is 100% about Org and reasons why/defenses for a policy lynch. 3 2/3

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

6th game post. You say RVT is useless and we should skip, no thoughts on how to skip. Ties in with org lynch.

No it doesn't. We should go directly into scum hunting without all the pointless questions.
0/1.

No. That is the point, you give no real way how to avoid RVT but you say, "hey, a policy lynch will do it!" 4 2/3

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

7th game post, same as above but with stronger ties to org lynch, a little playing with Solly.

This time I rbing up the Org lynch. But the entire point is that anything getting people talking (including bringing up policy lynches) is useful.  Then the Solifuge business.
2/3 (and I think I'm being generous).
2 9/10

That "Solifuge business" is a joke, not part of the game at all. 5 2/3

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

8th game post. Same as above. No playing with Solly.

Yup. Same as above. The point is that RVS is useless and that getting people talking is helpful.
1/2 for 3 2/5.

Yes but the way you want to get people talking is by a policy lynch. 2/3 at least, and that is very generous. 6 1/3

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

9th. Same as above.

Def not. It's about rushing, not at all about policy lynches. Unless you really believe that talking about a policy lynch actually rushes the game.
0

I believe that doing policy lynching rushes the game 7 1/3

Do you really think that doing policy lynching does not rush the game?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:51:16 pm

10th and last. more Org. You say you have a back up plan. And that it is okay to be scummy because it gets people to talk. Also know as the Solly complete-lack-of-defense.

Do you agree now that it is getting people to talk?  Huh.  In any case, 1/2 Policy Lynch related at best.
Total is 3 9/10.

Yes it is getting people to talk, but about how scummy you are, not how you said we would talk after Org (Or anyone, you don't care) is lynched. And the back up came directly form it is a bad idea to policy lynch because more likely then not it will hit a Towny.

8 1/3

By my count that makes it only 16% not about Org. And ten of thous are tentative at best.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Quote

I dissagree, I find scum org not that hard to lynch. I think you have very odd fear of him. Not really, I think you are scum trying to poloicy lynch some poor dumb sap.

In my experience he's hard to lynch. If you've had a difference experience, that's great, but it really doesn't effect what I think.  Thus why I didn't think it was worth responding to.

Yeah. At least we agree here. I said basically the same thing a few posts back.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Really, what you 'ignored' seems to refute some points you made right in this post I am quoting, is that why you ignored them? They point out how scummy you are? We will get to that later I think.

Just like how your post countered itself and how the quotes you took out of context were countered / meant the opposite of what you made out when they were in context?  Bring it.

Where? I pointed out where I saw you selectively ignore points, now you go and point out where I countered my self and blah blah blah.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Yeah. So, scummy actions are just to get people to talk? No bad JTF bad boy! That never works. And if you will notice, people are talking, but there is a distinct lack of policy lynching going on.

I don't think it's scummy. And my actions are getting people to talk. I didn't expect a policy lynch on Org to go though. And at this point, I'd actually rather it didn't. He's doing a little better. We'll see tomorrow / Thursday if that holds.

So, it was all a ruse to get people to talk. I think I said something about how that is the worst plan ever.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Meh. A town vote is a town vote. And I have no plans to 'deal' with him other then pointing out to the scum how much of a good idea it is for them to kill him. Why does everyone (That I think is anti town) saying that I want to lynch him?

A town vote is a town vote.  A 3rd party vote is a 3rd party vote. It's entirely possible that the Spore Spreaders could work something out with other Aliens and be completely anti-town (for example).

No. No it is not. SS can only win if the town wins or if everyone else loses.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 12:22:55 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:52:49 pm

Well and good for you. If you are scum though that does not help us at all. And even if you were not scum then the scum will still have power roles. Lets not not care because I am sure that no mater what you can do, if we just don't care about the game the scum will win anyway.

I have no idea what you're saying here...

I would not trust you to save us all even if I thought you were town.

Also you 'missed' the "pile of scummy contradictions" part.

---

Basically, you are not digging yourself deeper into the scum hole by much. But that is most likely cause you hit rock bottom. No one else is anywhere near as scummy as you to me. (Other than maybe shadowdump, but he is sorta special.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 01:04:05 am

*crosses Zathras off list of lurkers*

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 12:20:22 am

- Kamina, you're being useful and active, but clueless. Clueless Scum or Clueless Town, I've  not yet decided. But bringing yourself to the foreground earns you a FoS: Kamina. This doesn't necessarily mean you're scum, some of us are more drawn to the spotlight than others, but you should know by now that being one of those will at least make you seem suspect. So, FoS on you. Tell us why you're being helpful, and why wouldn't we be better off without you.

I'm being helpful because that's the only way I know to play town well.  You pressure likely suspects, hoping they will drop a scumtell.  How else am I supposed to scumhunt but to point out possible scum and try to force them to respond to my questions?  I see no way to play town well without being 'helpful'.
As to why you wouldn't be better off without me, I tend to be quick to adapt.  So far I haven't done very well at all, but (hopefully, as time permits) tomorrow I'll have a chance to look over the thread, get a feel for how a real mafia game goes, and begin to form some ideas of my own.  For sure on Thursday.  My insight will be helpful in finding scum.  And just having another active player helps keep things rolling, though with 16 players I doubt we'll have much trouble with that.  By the end of Day 1, I hope to have mostly shook off any cluelessness.
And now time to out a lurker.  If there's on thing I've learned, it's lynch all lurkers.
Unvote.
Vote Leafsnail.  Where are you?  What are your thoughts on the situation?  Who are your top scumpicks?  Any number, just the ones you think most important.
And now I need some sleep.  It's past midnight and I have to wake up at 6 this morning, so bleh.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 01:10:20 am

Zathras:
See here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703857#msg1703857).  I'm guessing he's Spore Spreader or dopp, but I'm willing to gamble on there being a Xenozooligist snatching him tonight.  If not, we can see what tomorrow brings.

---

Criptfeind:
You're math is about as much bull as mine was.  Basically, you say that anything that isn't related to an Org policy lynch was insignificant.

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 12:54:17 am

Basically, you are not digging yourself deeper into the scum hole by much. But that is most likely cause you hit rock bottom. No one else is anywhere near as scummy as you to me. (Other than maybe shadowdump, but he is sorta special.)

If that's really what you believe, I doubt I can convince you. It's really not worth the effort right now. I'll hope that's just hyperbole though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 01:26:33 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 01:10:20 am

Zathras:
See here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703857#msg1703857).  I'm guessing he's Spore Spreader or dopp, but I'm willing to gamble on there being a Xenozooligist snatching him tonight.  If not, we can see what tomorrow brings.

---

Criptfeind:
You're math is about as much bull as mine was.  Basically, you say that anything that isn't related to an Org policy lynch was insignificant.

It is more that I can see connections in everything you did with trying for a policy lynch. The 'math' does not matter, it is just that I find you scummy.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 01:10:20 am

If that's really what you believe, I doubt I can convince you. It's really not worth the effort right now. I'll hope that's just hyperbole though.

That is what I believe. I also doubt you can convince me directly. I think that you are clearly scum. There is not much more to say then that.

I need to sleep now.

Can't wait to see what the 'lurkers' think of the explosion of this thread.

And by 'lurkers' I mean lurker.

Where the fuck is panda?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 01:33:49 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 12:54:17 am

Arent you going to find a minor infraction with me, tunnel me to the end of time and cause me to tunnel you, wasting two days and giving the game to the scum? It's tradition.
Also you have no thoughts on me. Makes me sad, I thought we were hate buddies when we played mafia?

Cript, you have me mistaken for Pandar. He's the one that has a history of tunneling on you (see VM1). Me? I'm guilty of the same with you and with Jim, but never without reason, and neither of you have given me reason just yet, Jim, what are your interpretations of Cript's play so far? How about Janus, shadowdump, lurky webadict or I? what are your top scumpicks so far?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 01:04:05 am

*crosses Zathras off list of lurkers*

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 12:20:22 am

- Kamina, you're being useful and active, but clueless. Clueless Scum or Clueless Town, I've  not yet decided.

And now time to out a lurker.  If there's on thing I've learned, it's lynch all lurkers.Vote Leafsnail. 

This is the right, clueful thing to do. Given that there are too many players for my little mind to sort them out, I'm working on a script that will calculate how many hours it's been since each player's last post. Lynch all lurkers is a good strategy, especially in this large sort of game, so whoever has been lurking the longest will have my default vote, unless there's a scummier target present.

Many players give lurkers a screen. In smaller games, a lurky town lets them get away with it, but here, there's a large enough town that the lurkers will stand out. So: TOWN: don't lurk, and LURKERS: hang.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 01:35:49 am

Wait did you turn out scum that one game? I think maybe you did.

Also I have played with pandar more then I have with you, one game does not a tack record make. Unless you only have one game that is.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 01:50:09 am

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 01:35:49 am

Wait did you turn out scum that one game? I think maybe you did.
Also I have played with pandar more then I have with you, one game does not a tack record make. Unless you only have one game that is.

I don't know which one you mean. You and Pandar were town in VM1, and his/your tunneling doomed the game and gave scum (Org & IronyOwl) a win. The other one I think we shared was Sorcerer's, where I hammered you, but if I was tunneling, it was on Jim, not you; that was also a win for scum, Org & IronyOwl thing.... There may be others, but I don't recall.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 11:32:17 pm

Please don't emulate webadict. One is already far more than we need.

Off-topic: Sigged!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 02:06:01 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 01:33:49 am

Cript, you have me mistaken for Pandar. He's the one that has a history of tunneling on you (see VM1). Me? I'm guilty of the same with you and with Jim, but never without reason, and neither of you have given me reason just yet, Jim, what are your interpretations of Cript's play so far? How about Janus, shadowdump, lurky webadict or I? what are your top scumpicks so far?

Hm? Why is that blue text there? Meaningless, I tells ya, meaningless.

I can't follow Criptfeind's argument. At all. There's a lot of pointless argumentation going on there, but I think the bulk of it is that JTF wanted to pursue a policy lynch on Org, and Criptfeind doesn't like that. I don't understand his problem with that since that's pretty much JTF's opening move every game he's in. It's pretty much just a lot of hot air and I'm not getting anything really useful out of it. Since I have no reason to believe either of them is scum for arguing with each other I think they're both pretty decently town.

SHADOWdump is obviously up to something. I'm debating whether or not he's capable enough to pull off a Spore Spreader fakeclaim. The way he's trying to convince people to think that he's not capable is making me think that he might not be one. But then that might just be a well-disguised attempt to get himself lynched. I dunno, I'm wrangling with the WIFOM but I think he's a third party of some sort. I think he's a problem that can wait, at least until Day 2 when we get more information about what we're up against.

webadict can do whatever the hell he wants because he's webadict. He's impossible to get any useful information out of, even with the most stubborn questioning, instead opting to prove how smart he is by fallaciously dissecting questions to their core fallacies. If he gets really mad at somebody because they accused him of having, I dunno, the brain of a Nobel Prize Nominee instead of a winner, and tries to get them lynched because he's insecure about his widdle ego he's probably town. Absolutely infuriating to play with. Usually he's more talkative than this though, so that's at the least a bit curious. Also you should probably not ask me about webadict because I find it addicting to antagonize him because he's so easy to rile up into a bloodthirsty rage and I frequently become his target because of this.

And you want me to talk about you? You're throwing a bunch of meaningless blue text around like it's candy. I don't like it. But that's what you do. You also don't seem as talkative or as focused as you were in Sorcerer's Apprentice but perhaps you don't have a target yet. You're not doing anything that screams scum to me but I'm wondering why you care about my opinion. Why do you care, Zathras? I don't see the point in asking about what other people think of you unless you're worried about that, which is not something that you should be as town.

As for scumpicks, SHADOWdump is at the top but I'm wrangling with whether or not it's a good idea to get him lynched. KaminaSquirtle comes in next for extreme reactions but my opinion might change depending on how well he picks up the game in the next few days. My prediction: probably pretty well. After that I got nothing but a bunch of lurkers. Mysteriousbluepuppet never answered why he was voting Solifuge despite being available, so he's at the top of the lurker list for me even though there are probably more egregious examples out there.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 02:09:49 am

SHAD0Wdump may or may not be sporespreader, but at best we kill scum and at worst we... make a masonry? How is that bad at all?

Everyone giving me shit for lurking: I leave myself logged in 24/7. If you see me offline it probably means someone stole my computer or my charger stopped working.

I intend to be inactive:
While sleeping
While in classes
While doing other things

I intend to lurk (that is, read without posting):
Never, you tardfaces

Any further questions?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 02:17:18 am

I don't think when the Spore Spreader gets lynched its new hosts know who each other are.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 02:27:20 am

Ah, you're right about that.

Even still, Spore Spreaders are still more-or-less town aligned unless the whole town gets converted/wiped out, in which case... we win with Spore Spreaders anyway.

Also this discourages the potentiality of Dopps hiding behind that claim - especially if it's a Dopp PWV

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 02:44:22 am

Hmmm.

Intentionally acting to get lynched is extremely difficult to do. Do you think SHADOWdump is capable enough or do you just not care who the claim is coming from?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 02:48:11 am

@JanusTwoface: Why are you now changing your story? You are aware that's scummy, right?

Did you call for a policy lynch on Org because you wanted Org lynched or did you call it to get the conversation started? It looks an awful lot like you legitimetly wanted Org lynched, yet now you seem to be saying you never wanted Org lynched at all. And even if you did do it to get the conversation started, I can't bring myself to even consider unvoting you. Good job.

I'd normally be all for lynching SHAD0Wdump, but you're even scummier. Somehow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 03:15:57 am

Pandar, I know the posting has been furious, and it would be unfair for me to accuse you of lurking at this point, so I'll Unvote you for now... but please do answer my original RV question:

Quote from: Zathras on November 09, 2010, 04:46:09 pm

Pandarsenic, how lurky or active should we expect you to be this week and the coming weekend? If you don't live up to your answer, should we policy-lynch you?

On other things:

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 02:06:01 am

Why do you care, Zathras?

Because I do care, Jim darling, your interpretations may or may not be good, accurate or incisive, but they're bound to be interesting. C'mon! Give us them pearls of wisdom, man! Or should I post a limerick?

Quote from: jim

SHADOWdump is obviously up to something. I'm debating whether or not he's capable enough to pull off a Spore Spreader fakeclaim. [...] SHADOWdump is at the top but I'm wrangling with whether or not it's a good idea to get him lynched.

I'm right here with you. He seems like the right D1 lynch, except for the fact that he seems too obviously like an ideal D1 lynch. I would not oppose his hanging, but I feel there's more to his story than he's letting on (unwittingly or not). I'd prefer to find a scummier one, and keep him in the backburner until we've got more data.

Quote from: jim

Mysteriousbluepuppet never answered why he was voting Solifuge despite being available, so he's at the top of the lurker list for me even though there are probably more egregious examples out there.

Both MBP and Solifuge are suspicious to me at the moment. Neither has been useful, both have a history of spreading mischief when allowed to lurk, and both their arguments are vacuous.

Quote from: jim

webadict can do whatever the hell he wants because he's webadict. He's impossible to get any useful information out of, even with the most stubborn questioning

This seems very similar to Janus's original point about Org, and yours about Shadowdump, without the variable of him not knowing what he's doing -- he most certainly does. Thus, until I hear more details from him that convince me otherwise, I'm thinking Webadict is our correct target for the day one lynch,

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

Well peeps, I'm back, and wow, Orger than Org... I feel so proud.

But ask yourselves.

Who the hell would do this?

-Spore spreader, sure... And if I am then you guys did the worst thing possible potentially.
-Dopp, that's alot of attention garnered. Even a tough one wouldn't shrug that off.
-Alien of any type, see dopp.
-townie power, why?
-basic townie, WHY?

Basically, it doesn't matter who I am. The point is, I'm playing the way I want to. Possibly like no-one else can or will. Go ahead and lynch if you feel the need, but it'll give you just about as much information as anybody else.

So far, I'm having a boatload of fun. But I'll agree, I'm not working quite like a town so far. So I'll try to go back to my original plan of playing this game as properly as possible while limiting myself to as few words as possible per post if you let me, since it's very enjoyable trying to go for word economy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 03:38:08 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 03:15:57 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 02:06:01 am

Why do you care, Zathras?

Because I do care, Jim darling, your interpretations may or may not be good, accurate or incisive, but they're bound to be interesting. C'mon! Give us them pearls of wisdom, man! Or should I post a limerick?

Don't be flippant; it was a serious question. Why do you care what I think of you? And it doesn't have to be specifically me. Why do you care what anyone thinks of you? Since you asked you're clearly interested in it on some level.

What other people think of you is not a very good thing to be interested in, because you appear to be less interested in finding scum and more interested in not getting lynched. Dead ringer for scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:41:18 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 03:15:57 am

Pandar, I know the posting has been furious, and it would be unfair for me to accuse you of lurking at this point, so I'll Unvote you for now... but please do answer my original RV question:

Quote from: Zathras on November 09, 2010, 04:46:09 pm

Pandarsenic, how lurky or active should we expect you to be this week and the coming weekend? If you don't live up to your answer, should we policy-lynch you?

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 02:09:49 am

I intend to be inactive:
While sleeping
While in classes
While doing other things

I intend to lurk (that is, read without posting):
Never, you tardfaces

Any further questions?

Re If I care it's SHAD0Wdump doing it:
No, it's weird behavior (confessed by him to be nontownlike in his last post) and I suspect him of trying to make us think he's attempting reverse psychology on us by going "I'M A SPORE SPREADER BUT DON'T LYNCH ME."

I've made my opinion on people fucking with the town quite clear in the past and I think that SHAD0Wdump doesn't deserve special treatment. He makes his scumgame better by making his towngame worse (THREE WORDS/POST LIMIT HURRRRRRRR) and I'm having none of it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 03:46:26 am

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:41:18 am

Re If I care it's SHAD0Wdump doing it:
No, it's weird behavior (confessed by him to be nontownlike in his last post) and I suspect him of trying to make us think he's attempting reverse psychology on us by going "I'M A SPORE SPREADER BUT DON'T LYNCH ME."

I've made my opinion on people fucking with the town quite clear in the past and I think that SHAD0Wdump doesn't deserve special treatment. He makes his scumgame better by making his towngame worse (THREE WORDS/POST LIMIT HURRRRRRRR) and I'm having none of it.

This is pretty convincing.

Unvote Squirtle Squirtle Squirtle. SHADOWdump.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

Who the hell would do this?

Wait, are you trying to scare us into not voting you? But that's what you want, right?

Brilliant or stupid. I don't know which.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:47:48 am

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:41:18 am

I've made my opinion on people fucking with the town quite clear in the past and I think that SHAD0Wdump doesn't deserve special treatment. He makes his scumgame better by making his towngame worse (THREE WORDS/POST LIMIT HURRRRRRRR) and I'm having none of it.

But I'm not scum, and I'm not SporeSpreader.

 ;D


But seriously, all this talk about me has put me in a really silly mood, stop egging me on or I'm automatically calling you scum.
That's right, I am a scum-dar now!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:48:59 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:47:48 am

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:41:18 am

I've made my opinion on people fucking with the town quite clear in the past and I think that SHAD0Wdump doesn't deserve special treatment. He makes his scumgame better by making his towngame worse (THREE WORDS/POST LIMIT HURRRRRRRR) and I'm having none of it.

But I'm not scum, and I'm not SporeSpreader.

 ;D


But seriously, all this talk about me has put me in a really silly mood, stop egging me on or I'm automatically calling you scum.
That's right, I am a scum-dar now!

On a scale of "One" to "A good way to change people's minds about you," this is not a good way to change people's minds about you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:49:30 am

You are totally scum yo.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:50:13 am

Have you ever herped so hard that you derped, SHAD0Wdump?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:50:49 am

Yes. It was orgasmic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:57:37 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:50:49 am

Yes. It was orgasmic.

Quote from: Steam

Never tell your password to anyone.
Wednesday, November 10, 2010
12:56 AM - SHAD0Wdump: DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRP

This conversation is now awkward.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 05:03:10 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 03:38:08 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 03:15:57 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 02:06:01 am

Why do you care, Zathras?

Because I do care, Jim darling, your interpretations may or may not be good, accurate or incisive, but they're bound to be interesting. C'mon! Give us them pearls of wisdom, man! Or should I post a limerick?

Don't be flippant; it was a serious question. Why do you care what I think of you? And it doesn't have to be specifically me. Why do you care what anyone thinks of you? Since you asked you're clearly interested in it on some level.

I don't. There's a difference between "caring" (being invested in) and "interested" (wishing to hear a response). I am interested in what you have to say about the players here, as I know you to be incisive. I don't particularly care what you or others think of me, I am interested in your opinions of that exchange and the players therein; since I was part of that exchange, include opinions on me if you wish, sure.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 03:50:13 am

Have you ever herped so hard that you derped, SHAD0Wdump?

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:50:49 am

Yes. It was orgasmic.

Quote from: Steam

12:56 AM - SHAD0Wdump: DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRP

I am concerned. I understand that today's world is an interconnected one, but I feel I must ask. Mephansteras: what are the policies about players talking to each other via Instant Messaging, and how do they differ from form Personal Messages?

IM is a way for people to cheat. I know that we all know that, and we don't do it. But please, don't do it, and if you do it, don't bring it up in the thread without expecting to be modkilled.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 05:09:45 am

I assume IM/Steamchat follows the same rule as PMs - everything game-related is CC'd to Mephansteras.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 05:22:14 am

Yeah, I did my best to stay shutted up about the game in that little message there.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 11:21:04 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 11:20:05 pm

Also trolling is not the same as mafia playing.

Yeah it is, Web does it all the time.

I do not troll. I AM ABOVE THE TROLL!

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 02:06:01 am

webadict can do whatever the hell he wants because he's webadict. He's impossible to get any useful information out of, even with the most stubborn questioning, instead opting to prove how smart he is by fallaciously dissecting questions to their core fallacies. If he gets really mad at somebody because they accused him of having, I dunno, the brain of a Nobel Prize Nominee instead of a winner, and tries to get them lynched because he's insecure about his widdle ego he's probably town. Absolutely infuriating to play with. Usually he's more talkative than this though, so that's at the least a bit curious. Also you should probably not ask me about webadict because I find it addicting to antagonize him because he's so easy to rile up into a bloodthirsty rage and I frequently become his target because of this.

Oh come on. I do plenty of good things! Nobody looks at the good things I do.

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 03:15:57 am

Quote from: jim

webadict can do whatever the hell he wants because he's webadict. He's impossible to get any useful information out of, even with the most stubborn questioning

This seems very similar to Janus's original point about Org, and yours about Shadowdump, without the variable of him not knowing what he's doing -- he most certainly does. Thus, until I hear more details from him that convince me otherwise, I'm thinking Webadict is our correct target for the day one lynch,

Don't even give me some time to get a good night's sleep... Tsk tsk, Zathras. Tsk. Tsk.

Tsk. I'm fairly busy, good sir. Not that it matters to you.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got minor business to take care of.

Mostly, the SHAD0Wdump theory. Really, guys? Shame on all of you.

SHAD0W: Since when has it been okay to WIFOM the town like that? You're being obnoxious and definitely not pushing the point you're trying to make.

Everyone else: The Spore Spreader doesn't want to play like a Jester. Just because they're lynched, doesn't mean they'll win. It wastes a lynch on them (They need to win with the town), and they have no idea who was infected.

However, them claiming is going to bring about some major WIFOM, as you don't want them to be lynched, but they won't be killed.

And we should probably lynch Toaster.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 07:08:23 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

SHAD0W: Since when has it been okay to WIFOM the town like that? You're being obnoxious and definitely not pushing the point you're trying to make.

Is it my fault everyone jumped on SPORESPREADER when I had no intention of it?

It was so ridiculous I couldn't resist.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 07:11:54 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 07:08:23 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

SHAD0W: Since when has it been okay to WIFOM the town like that? You're being obnoxious and definitely not pushing the point you're trying to make.

Is it my fault everyone jumped on SPORESPREADER when I had no intention of it?

It was so ridiculous I couldn't resist.

... We should lynch you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 07:18:39 am

You're egging me on web...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 07:21:42 am

Why? Because I would rather you didn't screw with the Town? If you played normally, that wouldn't have to be a reason to do it! Threatening to do it only makes you more likely to get lynched!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 07:23:22 am

Wait... What am I threatening to do again?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 07:47:20 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

And we should probably lynch Toaster.

Explain.  Voting without a reason is worse than not voting at all.
Wheeerre are yooouuuu, Leafsnail?  Stop lurking!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 09:06:07 am

No, not voting at all is worse.

@SHAD0W: you're threatening to do something. Something anti-Town. Like the 3 word post restriction.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:16:10 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

-Spore spreader, sure... And if I am then you guys did the worst thing possible potentially.
-Dopp, that's alot of attention garnered. Even a tough one wouldn't shrug that off.
-Alien of any type, see dopp.
-townie power, why?
-basic townie, WHY?

This is straight textbook WIFOM, which is a textbook scum move.  You are textbook scum.

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

And we should probably lynch Toaster.

And why's that?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 07:47:20 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

And we should probably lynch Toaster.

Explain.  Voting without a reason is worse than not voting at all.
Wheeerre are yooouuuu, Leafsnail?  Stop lurking!

Kamina:  You're buddying me.  If you cared about reasonless votes, you would have said something to Web when he did the exact same thing to you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703441#msg1703441).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:23:22 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:16:10 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

-Spore spreader, sure... And if I am then you guys did the worst thing possible potentially.
-Dopp, that's alot of attention garnered. Even a tough one wouldn't shrug that off.
-Alien of any type, see dopp.
-townie power, why?
-basic townie, WHY?

This is straight textbook WIFOM, which is a textbook scum move.  You are textbook scum.

I might fall under your textbook descriptions, but let us put away the textbook for a moment shall we?

The way I acted recently, lets just say I'm not too proud of it. I have garnered a lot of attention, bad attention, attention involving big sharp pitchforks, or perhaps mutant teeth in the following night. So if I'm to die, I best make as much use of my current predicament as possible.

So I ask you all. I've got this attention now... How do I use it?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:30:12 am

If it isn't obvious to you that the answer could be anything but "scumhunt," then it's pretty clear you have no intention or desire to do so.    You're just trying to back out of a failed gambit now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:31:48 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:30:12 am

If it isn't obvious to you that the answer could be anything but "scumhunt," then it's pretty clear you have no intention or desire to do so.    You're just trying to back out of a failed gambit now.

But give me an example of how I can use the attention for scumhunting.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 09:37:39 am

You can't. Not effectively. Ever hear no publicity is bad publicity? Well, that's a lie. You can't turn bad attention around on other people. You just have to get rid of it and then turn it on other people.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:38:46 am

Are you serious?

Here, have a template.



Dear [Sir/Madam] [Name here], I feel that your post, [link], indicates that you are scum because [reason].  Furthermore, your further post, [link], deepens the case against you because [different reason].

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:45:24 am

Dear Sir Toaster, I feel that your post, link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704614#msg1704614), indicates that you are scum because of such a shallow response.  Furthermore, your further post, link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704605#msg1704605), deepens the case against you because you assume I have no intention to scumhunt despite showing some interest.

Am I doin' it rite?

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 09:37:39 am

You can't. Not effectively. Ever hear no publicity is bad publicity? Well, that's a lie. You can't turn bad attention around on other people. You just have to get rid of it and then turn it on other people.

But yeah, again, if I'm to die so soon, I got to use whatever resources I have available to me, and right now all I have is everyone aiming guns at me. So hey, maybe I'll be the first to use it well?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 10:25:20 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:45:24 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 09:37:39 am

You can't. Not effectively. Ever hear no publicity is bad publicity? Well, that's a lie. You can't turn bad attention around on other people. You just have to get rid of it and then turn it on other people.

But yeah, again, if I'm to die so soon, I got to use whatever resources I have available to me, and right now all I have is everyone aiming guns at me. So hey, maybe I'll be the first to use it well?

But then why aren't you using it, O SHAD0Wdump?  With your crazy WIFOM, you must be anti-town in some way.

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 09:06:07 am

No, not voting at all is worse.

Nice evade.  My question still stands.

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:16:10 am

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 07:47:20 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

And we should probably lynch Toaster.

Explain.  Voting without a reason is worse than not voting at all.
Wheeerre are yooouuuu, Leafsnail?  Stop lurking!

Kamina:  You're buddying me.  If you cared about reasonless votes, you would have said something to Web when he did the exact same thing to you (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703441#msg1703441).

Oh I'm so sorry, asking for a reason for a vote is definitely buddying.
Of course I care about reasonless votes.  I looked scummy as hell back then, a case was already built against me.  He was already called out on that before I had a chance to.
There is no case against you that has been yet made.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 10:44:22 am

Kamina

I am using it. Can't you see that?

Either you are a bit too riled up by this little witch hunt I started on myself, or you are scum making use of this to throw votes at me idly.

Also I kinda want to toss this WIFOM I generated out the window at this point, I think everyone's gone drunk on it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 10:52:40 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 10:44:22 am

Kamina

I am using it. Can't you see that?

Either you are a bit too riled up by this little witch hunt I started on myself, or you are scum making use of this to throw votes at me idly.

Also I kinda want to toss this WIFOM I generated out the window at this point, I think everyone's gone drunk on it.

Really?

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:23:22 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:16:10 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

-Spore spreader, sure... And if I am then you guys did the worst thing possible potentially.
-Dopp, that's alot of attention garnered. Even a tough one wouldn't shrug that off.
-Alien of any type, see dopp.
-townie power, why?
-basic townie, WHY?

This is straight textbook WIFOM, which is a textbook scum move.  You are textbook scum.

I might fall under your textbook descriptions, but let us put away the textbook for a moment shall we?

The way I acted recently, lets just say I'm not too proud of it. I have garnered a lot of attention, bad attention, attention involving big sharp pitchforks, or perhaps mutant teeth in the following night. So if I'm to die, I best make as much use of my current predicament as possible.

So I ask you all. I've got this attention now... How do I use it?

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:31:48 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:30:12 am

If it isn't obvious to you that the answer could be anything but "scumhunt," then it's pretty clear you have no intention or desire to do so.    You're just trying to back out of a failed gambit now.

But give me an example of how I can use the attention for scumhunting.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:45:24 am

Dear Sir Toaster, I feel that your post, link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704614#msg1704614), indicates that you are scum because of such a shallow response.  Furthermore, your further post, link (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704605#msg1704605), deepens the case against you because you assume I have no intention to scumhunt despite showing some interest.

Am I doin' it rite?

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 09:37:39 am

You can't. Not effectively. Ever hear no publicity is bad publicity? Well, that's a lie. You can't turn bad attention around on other people. You just have to get rid of it and then turn it on other people.

But yeah, again, if I'm to die so soon, I got to use whatever resources I have available to me, and right now all I have is everyone aiming guns at me. So hey, maybe I'll be the first to use it well?

Where exactly in these posts are you using it?  All I see is sarcasm and uslessness.
It looks to me like you're tying to put a failed gambit aside, like it never happened.  Your situation now looks to me like my situation a bit ago.  You did something stupid, and now want to put it behind you.  Well, I didn't get to, and neither should you.
You're being friendly, asking what you should do.  From what I've seen of people reacting to me, that's a scumtell.
Textbook scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 11:12:47 am

Those posts there, I'm asking questions. Gauging how willing others are to attempt to help out someone who's basically gasping for air. Toaster wasn't helping well, I suppose in a way he was though. You? Nope, I see no attempts to do so, just attempts at conviction.

My vote stays.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:50:57 am

SHADOWdump is a stupid topic of conversation. Let's change the subject.

Mysteriousbluepuppet, you should probably get in here and explain why you voted Solifuge without a reason.

Solifuge, you should probably get in here too because you have a bad habit of lurking.

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 05:03:10 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 03:38:08 am

Don't be flippant; it was a serious question. Why do you care what I think of you? And it doesn't have to be specifically me. Why do you care what anyone thinks of you? Since you asked you're clearly interested in it on some level.

I don't. There's a difference between "caring" (being invested in) and "interested" (wishing to hear a response). I am interested in what you have to say about the players here, as I know you to be incisive. I don't particularly care what you or others think of me, I am interested in your opinions of that exchange and the players therein; since I was part of that exchange, include opinions on me if you wish, sure.

Hair splitting is a great way to not answer a question. You could've asked about anybody, yet you asked about yourself, and I don't buy the bit about you being in an exchange. If you were it was at the periphery; hardly a position to be asking about your arguments. If you were in the thick of one, I could understand. So it strikes me as strange to ask about yourself when you're barely involved in anything.

Something feels off about you. When it comes to dealing with skilled players this is a more important feeling than any scum tells they've dropped. You've prodded lurkers and done some PSA stuff but those are easy enough contributions for scum to make. And I grow suspicious of people who try and wave the town banner too damn much and I'm perfectly justified in thinking this since it's caught scum for me in the past.

I have no idea if there's any substance to this feeling but I'll be damned if I just let it pass. So, a question. Who are your top scumpicks at the moment? I get the sense you don't have any strong suspicions so far.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 12:07:17 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 10:52:40 am

You're being friendly, asking what you should do.  From what I've seen of people reacting to me, that's a scumtell.
Textbook scum.

Another thing, I've hit just about every other alarm in the military base at this point. Does this really come as a surprise?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 10, 2010, 12:56:04 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Criptfeind, Leafsnail, Mr.Person
KaminaSquirtle: Org, SHAD0Wdump
Leafsnail: KaminaSquirtle
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Solifuge
Pandarsenic: JanusTwoface
SHAD0Wdump: Jim Groovester, Pandarsenic, Toaster
Solifuge: Eduren, Mysteriousbluepuppet
Toaster: webadict
Zathras: Ottofar
webadict: Zathras

---

Day 1 ends ~5pm Pacific Thursday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Solifuge on November 10, 2010, 12:59:47 pm

Long day today, boyos. I wont be back until tomorrow. Whether or not I like it, today will be lurk-filled. Unvote Mysteriousbluepuppet

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 01:17:04 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 10:52:40 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:23:22 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:16:10 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

-Spore spreader, sure... And if I am then you guys did the worst thing possible potentially.
-Dopp, that's alot of attention garnered. Even a tough one wouldn't shrug that off.
-Alien of any type, see dopp.
-townie power, why?
-basic townie, WHY?

This is straight textbook WIFOM, which is a textbook scum move.  You are textbook scum.

I might fall under your textbook descriptions, but let us put away the textbook for a moment shall we?

The way I acted recently, lets just say I'm not too proud of it. I have garnered a lot of attention, bad attention, attention involving big sharp pitchforks, or perhaps mutant teeth in the following night. So if I'm to die, I best make as much use of my current predicament as possible.

So I ask you all. I've got this attention now... How do I use it?

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 09:31:48 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:30:12 am

If it isn't obvious to you that the answer could be anything but "scumhunt," then it's pretty clear you have no intention or desire to do so.    You're just trying to back out of a failed gambit now.

But give me an example of how I can use the attention for scumhunting.

Where exactly in these posts are you using it?  All I see is sarcasm and uslessness.
It looks to me like you're tying to put a failed gambit aside, like it never happened.  Your situation now looks to me like my situation a bit ago.  You did something stupid, and now want to put it behind you.  Well, I didn't get to, and neither should you.
You're being friendly, asking what you should do.  From what I've seen of people reacting to me, that's a scumtell.
Textbook scum.

Kamina:  Bold is my post, underline is yours.  Why do you insist on echoing my argument?  You're doing nothing original here, just (literally) repeating my words back at him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 01:32:10 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 11:12:47 am

Those posts there, I'm asking questions. Gauging how willing others are to attempt to help out someone who's basically gasping for air. Toaster wasn't helping well, I suppose in a way he was though. You? Nope, I see no attempts to do so, just attempts at conviction.

My vote stays.

Maybe because I'm pretty much doing the same things?  Everyone was after me for them, so someone should be after you.

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 01:17:04 pm

Kamina:  Bold is my post, underline is yours.  Why do you insist on echoing my argument?  You're doing nothing original here, just (literally) repeating my words back at him.

I seem to be completely unable to have a original thought...

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:50:57 am

SHADOWdump is a stupid topic of conversation. Let's change the subject.

I agree.  I'm more interested in why webadict finds it necessary to evade answering why he voted Toaster out of the blue.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 03:23:12 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 02:09:49 am

Everyone giving me shit for lurking: I leave myself logged in 24/7. If you see me offline it probably means someone stole my computer or my charger stopped working.

The problem is that you were posting on the Mafia board three hours before this post, but didn't feel the need to post here.  Still at least you've posted now. Unvote

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 02:27:20 am

Also this discourages the potentiality of Dopps hiding behind that claim - especially if it's a Dopp PWV

Unless a dopp was hinding behind the claim before he realized all of the details and can't back down now. This is something I could believe of SHAD0Wdump.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 02:48:11 am

@JanusTwoface: Why are you now changing your story? You are aware that's scummy, right?

Did you call for a policy lynch on Org because you wanted Org lynched or did you call it to get the conversation started? It looks an awful lot like you legitimetly wanted Org lynched, yet now you seem to be saying you never wanted Org lynched at all. And even if you did do it to get the conversation started, I can't bring myself to even consider unvoting you. Good job.

Two facts:
- I didn't actually expect a policy lynch to go through.
- I was looking for how people reacted to it.

If I had gone out and said those two things at the very beginning, then it would have completely defeated the purpose of doing it in the first place.

Maybe it's not an optimal way to open the game, but (at least in my mind) it's better than asking some asine question and then doing absolutely nothing more with it. Far more active.

So no. I'm not changing my story.

And is this really all you're going to contribute?  You've posted a whopping two times with barely minial content. You've posted far more in the rules discussion thread (which granted was a few hours before the start of day, so you could just be busy). But you should do more. You have a generally tendency to lurk.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

Well peeps, I'm back, and wow, Orger than Org... I feel so proud.

You've now been compared to Webadict and Org and seem thrilled about both. Just to let you know, neither of these is a good thing.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 10, 2010, 03:30:45 am

Basically, it doesn't matter who I am. The point is, I'm playing the way I want to. Possibly like no-one else can or will. Go ahead and lynch if you feel the need, but it'll give you just about as much information as anybody else.

So far, I'm having a boatload of fun. But I'll agree, I'm not working quite like a town so far. So I'll try to go back to my original plan of playing this game as properly as possible while limiting myself to as few words as possible per post if you let me, since it's very enjoyable trying to go for word economy.

Playing to have fun is great, but the problem comes when you ruin the fun for others. It analogous (although less serious) to yelling fire in a crowded theatre. It may be fun to you, but it's downright dangerous to others.

If you are that obsessed with getting lynched, Vote SHAD0Wdump. Even if you are a Spore Spreader, then we've at the very least confirmed their existence. We may actually be able to work with that.

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

Oh come on. I do plenty of good things! Nobody looks at the good things I do.

I think part of that is because you tend not to look at bad things you do. So we just have to return the favor. :-\

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

Everyone else: The Spore Spreader doesn't want to play like a Jester. Just because they're lynched, doesn't mean they'll win. It wastes a lynch on them (They need to win with the town), and they have no idea who was infected.

I think people are missing one part of this. It's not who was infected. It's IF anyone was infected. On a lynch, two people will be chosen randomly. I'd guess somewhere between 1/3 and as many as 1/2 of the players are dopps or aliens, if any of those are hit you've immediately lost one potential new Spore Spreader. It's a statistically significant chance that getting lynched will immediately make you lose.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 07:47:20 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:54:40 am

And we should probably lynch Toaster.

Explain.  Voting without a reason is worse than not voting at all.
Wheeerre are yooouuuu, Leafsnail?  Stop lurking!

People are too happy to throw the L-word around this game... The game hasn't even been running 24 hours yet. (I'm looking at you as well Zathras of the blue words). Not to say that lynch all lurkers is necessarily a bad idea, just that they're being jumped on after waaaay too short a window.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Leafsnail on November 10, 2010, 03:48:35 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 06:07:26 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 06:02:41 pm

Save for drawing out those overeager to pounce on opening questions, Janus.

Do you really believe that this is indicative of scumminess? For me in particular? I do the same thing in every game I'm in.

Vague attacks and an urge to appear active are indicative of scumminess in anyone.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Not timewise, but it makes us short town.  Scum should be lynched, not town, no matter how stupid.  That is the point of town.
Unvote.
Vote JanusTwoface.

Oh man disassociation vote.  SO OBVIOUS

Unvote.  Kamina.

After being called out for defending JTF, you vote him for a ridiculously flimsy reason.  Yeah, not cool.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:43:03 pm

Because I was thinking in the context of BM.  What he's doing seems different now.  I understand it from a new perspective.  He's suggesting a lynch simply because of a player's rep, with no regards to losing a chance to lynch scum.  I can unvote whenever the hell I want.  I want answers out of the fucker.

I'm done being wishy-washy, as you pointed out I was.  Are you seriously suggesting I would be so stupid as to bus my scumbuddy this early just because of a small accusation?
Goddamn, I'm not that stupid.

This post seems to me like being asked why you haven't done your homework, and then answering:
"I've done it, but I don't have it with me.  The dog ate it.  You're crazy, you never set any homework!  I wasn't here on the day it was set.  Screw you, I shouldn't have to do homework!  I thought it was due in next week.  I've had it with you and your stupid course, I quit!"

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:00:28 pm

Yay! Lets act scummy and then vote the people that vote us for it! Fuck you LeafSnail, you should know better.

I got a feeling that Janus is going to try to sneak away well you guys go after that turtle, but I don't think I will let him.JTF

...?

Firstly, the whole point is that it isn't scummy (just something scum is more keen to jump on).  Secondly, why do you then vote the guy I voted that makes no sense.

Eh, bored, I'll continue catching up later.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 03:58:03 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 10, 2010, 03:48:35 pm

Firstly, the whole point is that it isn't scummy (just something scum is more keen to jump on).  Secondly, why do you then vote the guy I voted that makes no sense.

Yeah. Right. Anyway...

I voted him because I thought he was scum. I have like five huge posts to that effect. Lrn2reed.

Anyway. Good job (Unvote) JTF maybe I has issues focusing but SHADOWdump really needs to die.

If he is a SS then he is the worst one ever, they only way he is not the worst player I have ever seen is if he is just really really crappy scum trying for a fake claim.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 05:28:43 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 10:25:20 am

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 09:06:07 am

No, not voting at all is worse.

Nice evade.  My question still stands.

Haha. I know. That's why it's funny! But, to be more serious, I felt a significant lacking in his presence, and have thus used my vote of red to summon forth his spirit. Unfortunately, that may involve crossing through the Forest of Reasoning, but I skipped that because I'm already level 47. Good thing I'm wearing my Ring of Evasion +2.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 05:40:30 pm

Far be it from me to question the mighty warrior webadict with his shining armor and holy sword +5, but what are you trying to get out of Toaster?

He's not concerned about your vote at all and you didn't ask him any questions, so he pretty much has no reason to respond to you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 05:43:47 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Hum hum hum.

Yeah... I see your point. Huuuuu.... I really hate his stupid shit...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 06:12:47 pm

Alright Janus, I just have one more simple question for you.

If you were only calling for an Org policy lynch to get the conversation started, why did you spend nearly all of your time bickering with Org instead of actually talking to any of the other people talking about the Org policy lynch you suggested?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 06:23:21 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 09, 2010, 10:00:28 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 09, 2010, 09:50:44 pm

Too lazy, I feel scummy.

Wow. What a thing to say in mafia. Get your ass in here soon or you die. Unvote  SHAD0Wdump At least you are here. But really read it, I want your thoughts on what has happend so far, lets get you back up to speed huh?

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 06:02:41 pm

Unvote.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 04:42:10 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 04:35:54 pm

While it may not be possible for the government to help, why aren't we just running away from this place?

Completely useless question.

Save for drawing out those overeager to pounce on opening questions, Janus.

Yay! Lets act scummy and then vote the people that vote us for it! Fuck you LeafSnail, you should know better.

I got a feeling that Janus is going to try to sneak away well you guys go after that turtle, but I don't think I will let him.JTF

This post scares and confuses me. Does anyone else feel the same?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 06:30:10 pm

Why?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:59:59 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 05:40:30 pm

Far be it from me to question the mighty warrior webadict with his shining armor and holy sword +5, but what are you trying to get out of Toaster?

He's not concerned about your vote at all and you didn't ask him any questions, so he pretty much has no reason to respond to you.

This is why I worship Allknowia, the All-Knowing God of Knowing All. I get the +4 on all Knowing checks.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 07:05:17 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 06:30:10 pm

Why?

"Well hey SHAD0Wdump is looking, acting, and talking like scum... Instead I'll say Leafsnail is scummy... then vote the same person he's voting for?"

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 07:54:16 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:59:59 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 05:40:30 pm

Far be it from me to question the mighty warrior webadict with his shining armor and holy sword +5, but what are you trying to get out of Toaster?

He's not concerned about your vote at all and you didn't ask him any questions, so he pretty much has no reason to respond to you.

This is why I worship Allknowia, the All-Knowing God of Knowing All. I get the +4 on all Knowing checks.

Okay, whatever. You can go do your own thing. If being useless and unhelpful works for you more power to you, bro.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 10, 2010, 07:58:31 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 07:54:16 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:59:59 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 05:40:30 pm

Far be it from me to question the mighty warrior webadict with his shining armor and holy sword +5, but what are you trying to get out of Toaster?

He's not concerned about your vote at all and you didn't ask him any questions, so he pretty much has no reason to respond to you.

This is why I worship Allknowia, the All-Knowing God of Knowing All. I get the +4 on all Knowing checks.

Okay, whatever. You can go do your own thing. If being useless and unhelpful works for you more power to you, bro.

Would you rather I rage at the machine and waste some lynches? No. Let's save that for when I have evidence.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 08:01:53 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 07:05:17 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 06:30:10 pm

Why?

"Well hey SHAD0Wdump is looking, acting, and talking like scum... Instead I'll say Leafsnail is scummy... then vote the same person he's voting for?"

He was incredibly scummy, just dumb as hell at the time. Why am I not allowed to vote for a person because another person that is voting them seems dumb/scummy?

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 07:58:31 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 07:54:16 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 06:59:59 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 05:40:30 pm

Far be it from me to question the mighty warrior webadict with his shining armor and holy sword +5, but what are you trying to get out of Toaster?

He's not concerned about your vote at all and you didn't ask him any questions, so he pretty much has no reason to respond to you.

This is why I worship Allknowia, the All-Knowing God of Knowing All. I get the +4 on all Knowing checks.

Okay, whatever. You can go do your own thing. If being useless and unhelpful works for you more power to you, bro.

Would you rather I rage at the machine and waste some lynches? No. Let's save that for when I have evidence.

The thing is, you need to do something to get that evidence. Obviously you plan on others handing it to you. But what the hell man? Why not do out and find some for yourself.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 08:02:56 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 08:01:53 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 10, 2010, 07:05:17 pm

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 06:30:10 pm

Why?

"Well hey SHAD0Wdump is looking, acting, and talking like scum... Instead I'll say Leafsnail is scummy... then vote the same person he's voting for?"

He was incredibly scummy

Was not, sorry.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:06:37 pm

Hm. Yeah, So my top three scum are

Janus, Kamina, and Shadow. I think Kamina is it, so there.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 10, 2010, 03:48:35 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 06:07:26 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 09, 2010, 06:02:41 pm

Save for drawing out those overeager to pounce on opening questions, Janus.

Do you really believe that this is indicative of scumminess? For me in particular? I do the same thing in every game I'm in.

Vague attacks and an urge to appear active are indicative of scumminess in anyone.

True. But I thought the point was the overeagerness to attack opening questions. And I think that my general attitude on lurkers would explain any want to be active.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 10, 2010, 03:48:35 pm

Eh, bored, I'll continue catching up later.

Is it later yet? The game is still moving fast enough that lurking is too easy to miss.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Why did you feel the need to phrase this this way? It looks like you're being defensive for something you haven't been accused of. 

I do agree that on first look a Zoologist would certaintly pick up SHAD0Wdump, but on second loop there's all sorts of ways that could go wrong. Prime target for a Reporter, plasma bomb, night kill, prolly a few other things.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 06:12:47 pm

If you were only calling for an Org policy lynch to get the conversation started, why did you spend nearly all of your time bickering with Org instead of actually talking to any of the other people talking about the Org policy lynch you suggested?

Because he was there. And I did somewhat, although you are quite correct that I could have done more. Not going to work in another game though, so meh?

And I also wanted to get him talking. He can actually rarely be surprisingly deep if he actually bothers to play. Which he hasn't since then... ORG, where'd you go again?

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Quote from: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:06:37 pm

Hm. Yeah, So my top three scum are

Janus, Kamina, and Shadow. I think Kamina is it, so there.

Oh. There. Shiny.

I can guess why you'd pick me and the others have lots of suspcion on them so far, so that's reasonable enough. Why Kamina first in particular? Any why no vote? (I don't remember who / if you're voting).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:13:26 pm

I am already voting Kamina, no need to change.
He was very wishy washy, followed by I give up, and a few other things I said earlier and have no deisre to draw bakc out since they have already been said, you should know this from reading this thread.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:19:00 pm

Quote from: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:13:26 pm

I am already voting Kamina, no need to change.
He was very wishy washy, followed by I give up, and a few other things I said earlier and have no deisre to draw bakc out since they have already been said, you should know this from reading this thread.

A *lot* of things have been said in this thread. Including basically an about face from Kamina since everything you've brought up.  So do you have anything new or any thoughts about his behavior since you voted him?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:27:07 pm

Not much, Im still reading.
Here is my thinking of Shadow, though. Distracting us to lynch him, maybe Spore Spreader, HOWEVER, possibly trying to get us off buddy SQuirtle
Maybe, just a line of thought I had

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:31:28 pm

Quote from: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:27:07 pm

Not much, Im still reading.
Here is my thinking of Shadow, though. Distracting us to lynch him, maybe Spore Spreader, HOWEVER, possibly trying to get us off buddy SQuirtle
Maybe, just a line of thought I had

Just don't wander off... :)

The idea of him running a smoke screen is an interesting idea, but I don't think that they would.  The only reason that would make sense is if they're both scum and Kamina has a *much* more powerful role that they need tonight and they panicked.  Otherwise, they're wasting one to save another.  It's possible, I just don't think it's that likely.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Criptfeind on November 10, 2010, 08:32:39 pm

Eh, if they thought he could get away with not catching a lynch with a SS claim, I would not put it past them.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 09:41:12 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 10, 2010, 03:48:35 pm

Buncha stuff.

Yes, these have been pointed out.  I'll remove my vote when I've seen more original contributions, rather than just attacking an me, an easy target.

Quote from: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:13:26 pm

I am already voting Kamina, no need to change.
He was very wishy washy, followed by I give up, and a few other things I said earlier and have no deisre to draw bakc out since they have already been said, you should know this from reading this thread.

So there's no chance you're wrong AT ALL?  Not willing to change your mind when new evidence of scum appears is scummy.

Quote from: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:27:07 pm

Not much, Im still reading.
Here is my thinking of Shadow, though. Distracting us to lynch him, maybe Spore Spreader, HOWEVER, possibly trying to get us off buddy SQuirtle
Maybe, just a line of thought I had

Got a one track mind, huh?  Great tunneling.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:19:00 pm

Quote from: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:13:26 pm

I am already voting Kamina, no need to change.
He was very wishy washy, followed by I give up, and a few other things I said earlier and have no deisre to draw bakc out since they have already been said, you should know this from reading this thread.

A *lot* of things have been said in this thread. Including basically an about face from Kamina since everything you've brought up.  So do you have anything new or any thoughts about his behavior since you voted him?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:31:28 pm

Quote from: Org on November 10, 2010, 08:27:07 pm

Not much, Im still reading.
Here is my thinking of Shadow, though. Distracting us to lynch him, maybe Spore Spreader, HOWEVER, possibly trying to get us off buddy SQuirtle
Maybe, just a line of thought I had

Just don't wander off... :)

The idea of him running a smoke screen is an interesting idea, but I don't think that they would.  The only reason that would make sense is if they're both scum and Kamina has a *much* more powerful role that they need tonight and they panicked.  Otherwise, they're wasting one to save another.  It's possible, I just don't think it's that likely.

Why are you buddying me?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:51:47 pm

Web:  You appear to be dancing around the point of asking me why I'm voting Shadow, so let me summarize for you.

His behavior has gone beyond scummy, on past intentionally scummy, way out into "so intentionally scummy that I must not be scum at all!"  He's scum trying to pull off Refuge in Audacity, and I'm calling him on it.  Once he several votes, he tried to back down off it and try "Sorry about that, I'm being helpful now, see?"  Clear sign of RiA scum getting caught in the act and trying to back down off it.

Kamina earns the #2 spot for buddying (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704592#msg1704592) and parroting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704958#msg1704958) me, which you can see in the links.

Also, attempts to proclaim himself an "easy target" is just an appeal to emotion- trying to hide behind being new to avoid a lynch.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 10:16:02 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:51:47 pm

Also, attempts to proclaim himself an "easy target" is just an appeal to emotion- trying to hide behind being new to avoid a lynch.

That isn't what I meant at all.  All Leaf did was point out some obvious reasons for me looking scummy, and nothing really else.  My point was to call him out on that.  He may have been restricting himself to pointing out the obvious to appear helpful while not really doing anything.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 10:40:37 pm

Very active thread! I'll catch up shortly, but I'll first address this pending question for me:

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:50:57 am

Who are your top scumpicks at the moment? I get the sense you don't have any strong suspicions so far.

That is correct. There has been too much going on, and I feel the lurkers are being given a free pass thanks to the traffic. I have a new tool that may help with that, but I'll add that later. As for actual scummitude, I'm right now looking at Leafsnail & Criptfeind (for being mostly useless), webadict (cryptic and unhelpful), Shadowdump (obvious reasons, but probably not worth a lynch) and Ottofar (lurking). But yes, none of these are strong just yet, and I have a lot of catching up to do.

How about you? Who are your top so far, and how strongly do you feel about them?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:02:56 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 07:58:31 pm

Would you rather I rage at the machine and waste some lynches? No. Let's save that for when I have evidence.

If doing nothing to get that evidence works out for you then who cares what I think.

You got this, bro. You got this.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 09:41:12 pm

Why are you buddying me?

Calm down. Just because somebody says you're acting like town doesn't mean they're buddying you.

It's a difficult judgment to make to say when people are buddying. Usually it's noticeable and intentional, it feels forced, or it's uncalled for, or it's completely unnecessary.

Do you think JTF is trying to get on your good side here by saying your actions look like town? That's usually the question you need to ask.

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 10:40:37 pm

How about you? Who are your top so far, and how strongly do you feel about them?

Things haven't changed much since you asked me this last night. I'm voting SHADOWdump. That's the only real change. I'm still watching Squirtle Squirtle Squirtle. MBP is lurking up a storm and not answering questions posed to him (so are a bunch of other people but other people are working at them).

MOD: prods have to be requested for you to send them out, right? I'd like one for Mysteriousbluepuppet.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:07:02 pm

Announcing: The LurkerTracker®

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As I said yesterday, one thing that makes me uneasy on these large games is that there's too many people to keep track of, and lurkers get a free pass thanks to the traffic. To remedy that, I used the leisure time usually devoted to mafia to dust off my decade-old perl and come up with a summary tool. Here are the results of my efforts so far, which account for all posts in the game up to my previous.

Please let me know what you think; I can post a new summary every so often if people find them useful.



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From this list, I feel I must prod ToonyMan, Ottofar & Eduren. Dudes! Come out here and play, or you'll be hanged for lurking. No excuses! Please answer: what are your opinions of the game so far, why have you been lurking, and who are your top scumpicks.

Leafsnail, Mr. Person, MBP and Solifuge are not far behind, and should be observed carefully. Given the number of players, and the potential number of scum, I wager at least four of these seven are scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 11:09:00 pm

Sorry I just don't feel like playing man.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 11:11:21 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 11:09:00 pm

Sorry I just don't feel like playing man.

Is Duke abusing you again, Toony?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 10, 2010, 11:16:08 pm

22 Hours is not enough to warrant a prod, but I'll keep an eye on him.

Solifuge has requested a replacement, as he is unable to continue playing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:16:46 pm

Normally I despise grandiose contributions that ultimately don't really mean anything but that's actually quite handy.

It should go without saying that this should not substitute content you would normally post if you didn't have that thingamajig. If it does I will attempt to lynch you. I've seen too many scum try to skate by with doing nothing by making voluminous but empty contributions (Leafsnail immediately comes to mind).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:19:00 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 11:09:00 pm

Sorry I just don't feel like playing man.

You don't feel like playing? Do you feel like hanging, then, ToonyMan?

My vote stays on you until you feel like playing enough to at least answer my questions.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 11:21:18 pm

I'm not answering any of your questions.

I am a doppelganger.  Myauahaha.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 11:22:06 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:02:56 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 09:41:12 pm

Why are you buddying me?

Calm down. Just because somebody says you're acting like town doesn't mean they're buddying you.

It's a difficult judgment to make to say when people are buddying. Usually it's noticeable and intentional, it feels forced, or it's uncalled for, or it's completely unnecessary.

Do you think JTF is trying to get on your good side here by saying your actions look like town? That's usually the question you need to ask.

Ok, I'm not sure I understand exactly what buddying is.  When I asked webadict why he voted toaster, that's buddying, but defending isn't?  I'm confused.

Could be, could be.  I have been aggressive towards him, though not necessarily for the right reasons.  I'll remember to keep that in mind.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:16:46 pm

Normally I despise grandiose contributions that ultimately don't really mean anything but that's actually quite handy.

It should go without saying that this should not substitute content you would normally post if you didn't have that thingamajig. If it does I will attempt to lynch you. I've seen too many scum try to skate by with doing nothing by making voluminous but empty contributions (Leafsnail immediately comes to mind).

Agree with this on the lurker tracking thing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 10, 2010, 11:25:35 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:19:00 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 11:09:00 pm

Sorry I just don't feel like playing man.

You don't feel like playing? Do you feel like hanging, then, ToonyMan?

My vote stays on you until you feel like playing enough to at least answer my questions.

Toonyman is not in the game.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:34:06 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 10, 2010, 11:25:35 pm

Toonyman is not in the game.

Ouch. Now I feel really dumb. My previous list took all from the page when the game started, which included a post by him, so it showed him at "one post"; I fixed the source file to start with the opening flavour, and posted the results from that, but I totally missed that ToonyMan was then gone from the list (as he is not playing, indeed).

Just like my avatar Baldrick, a lightning-fast return to form after only a flash of semi-human brilliance...

Oh well, Unvote, then. I worked on that thing today instead of reading the posts, so I'll go catch up. But Lurkers beware! You are out in the open now, and Eduren & Ottofar still have to answer my questions! Grrrr!

8-/

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:36:19 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 11:22:06 pm

Ok, I'm not sure I understand exactly what buddying is.  When I asked webadict why he voted toaster, that's buddying, but defending isn't?  I'm confused.

Could be, could be.  I have been aggressive towards him, though not necessarily for the right reasons.  I'll remember to keep that in mind.

What are you more interested in when you ask webadict why he's voting Toaster? Are you trying to make Toaster think highly of you so that he won't suspect you in the future (because you saved him from the nasty webadict), or do you want to know what's going on in webadict's mind?

Buddying is the former. It's done by scum so that townies will ignore them as they go on in the game. Sometimes it's really hard to detect, but usually it's pretty obvious. If you want to see an example of really horrible, mindnumbingly obvious buddying, go look at all if Jetsquirrel's posts in Sorcerer's Apprentice Mafia.

Saying another person is town isn't automatically buddying. Usually you need to examine just what their motives are for doing it.

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:19:00 pm

Quote from: ToonyMan on November 10, 2010, 11:09:00 pm

Sorry I just don't feel like playing man.

You don't feel like playing? Do you feel like hanging, then, ToonyMan?

My vote stays on you until you feel like playing enough to at least answer my questions.

That's a pretty strong stance. Do you really think it's warranted in this instance?

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 10, 2010, 11:25:35 pm

Toonyman is not in the game.

Awww, man. So much fun could have been had.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 11:50:52 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 09:41:12 pm

Why are you buddying me?

I'm not. I want Org to get up to date and defend his claims (which he isn't doing).

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:07:02 pm

Announcing: The LurkerTracker®

Any chance I could get the source? Been meaning to do something semi-related, but never got around to it. This would be a great starting point. Also to keep you honest ( just in case... :) )

I'm not sure what to think about the output being posted though. Perhaps just post if people haven't been around in a while. Although it's been helpful already. I didn't even know Ottofar was in the game...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 11:54:42 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:36:19 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 11:22:06 pm

Ok, I'm not sure I understand exactly what buddying is.  When I asked webadict why he voted toaster, that's buddying, but defending isn't?  I'm confused.

Could be, could be.  I have been aggressive towards him, though not necessarily for the right reasons.  I'll remember to keep that in mind.

What are you more interested in when you ask webadict why he's voting Toaster? Are you trying to make Toaster think highly of you so that he won't suspect you in the future (because you saved him from the nasty webadict), or do you want to know what's going on in webadict's mind?

Buddying is the former. It's done by scum so that townies will ignore them as they go on in the game. Sometimes it's really hard to detect, but usually it's pretty obvious. If you want to see an example of really horrible, mindnumbingly obvious buddying, go look at all if Jetsquirrel's posts in Sorcerer's Apprentice Mafia.

Saying another person is town isn't automatically buddying. Usually you need to examine just what their motives are for doing it.

Ah, ok, that's what I thought.  I just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding anything because I didn't understand the terms used.  It's good to have it written down so I can be sure of what it means.

And Jet, eheh, yeah.  Even in the BM he sucked to an unbelievable level.  I even had to make up lolstupid just to properly describe what he was doing.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 11:50:52 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 09:41:12 pm

Why are you buddying me?

I'm not. I want Org to get up to date and defend his claims (which he isn't doing).

Yeah, I get that now, that's why I asked about the definition.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Criptfeind on November 11, 2010, 12:04:30 am

Can we get a vote count?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 12:40:17 am

Mostly caught up, I'm back on webadict for being cryptic and unhelpful. Web, who from the six lurkiest I mentioned earlier are most likely to be scumlurking, in your opinion?

Quote from: Criptfeind on November 11, 2010, 12:04:30 am

Can we get a vote count?

I'd like one too.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 11:50:52 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:07:02 pm

Announcing: The LurkerTracker®

Any chance I could get the source? Been meaning to do something semi-related, but never got around to it. This would be a great starting point. Also to keep you honest ( just in case... :) )

Sure thing -- let me clean it up a bit and add some commments. I wasn't lying when I said my perl is ten years rusty, and it shows... also, a bit of preprocessing is needed due to my feeble regexp-fu. But I'll pretty it up a bit and send you a PM tomorrow or thereabouts (copying Meph to keep us honest). You having it would also help keeping the summaries posted even if I'm killed.

Quote from: Janus

I'm not sure what to think about the output being posted though. Perhaps just post if people haven't been around in a while. Although it's been helpful already. I didn't even know Ottofar was in the game...

I'm glad you've found it helpful; I think that posting it would be necessary and the very point, as otherwise it is not effective at smoking out lurkers and letting people know who's where. Unless people object, I'll post a new one every 24 or 48 hours or thereabouts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 01:00:53 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 12:40:17 am

Mostly caught up, I'm back on webadict for being cryptic and unhelpful. Web, who from the six lurkiest I mentioned earlier are most likely to be scumlurking, in your opinion?

How does this compare to how he normally plays?  I've never been in a game with him, but he seems to have a rather legendary ego, and unique playstyle.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 01:25:07 am

I've only played one full game with him; I replaced into another he was in after he died, and he replaced in one of mine after I died, so I've seen him a bit. His ego and playstyle are indeed unique and legendary, but he's seldom this useless. He tends to be far more verbose, has incisive questions, and will badger and badger on people until he has received answers to his satisfaction.

That he's now dicking around with his +5 sword of uselessness tells me he isn't playing his normal town game, which means he's scum. I wouldn't mind it one bit if he hangs today, and I think it would be a vastly more useful lynch than Shadowdump, even if they are both scum. Wuba with scum night actions is scary.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 11, 2010, 01:35:42 am

Cryptic and unhelpful is par for the course, believe me. Cryptic and unhelpful and active and angry, though.

I'm disliking Criptfeind's behavior less recently, but mostly because he's agreeing with me, so I'm... yeah.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Why did you feel the need to phrase this this way? It looks like you're being defensive for something you haven't been accused of. 

I do agree that on first look a Zoologist would certaintly pick up SHAD0Wdump, but on second loop there's all sorts of ways that could go wrong. Prime target for a Reporter, plasma bomb, night kill, prolly a few other things.

Nah, I just want everyone to unvote SHAD0Wdump. A Zoologist or Vigilante will take care of him, if we have either one of those roles.

Why would a Reporter waste his time trying to find a Zoologist when there's scum to go find? I'd much rather look for the dopps than anything else. Which leads me to my next point; why would the dopps kill SHAD0Wdump? He's really high on a lot of people's lynch lists. And why would an Exterminator blow his Plasma Bomb on SHAD0Wdump? If there just so happens to be a Zoologist and the Zoologist just so happens to decide to grab SHAD0Wdump today AND there just so happens to be an Exterminator who just so happens to get a Plasma Bomb and just so happens to use it on SHAD0Wdump, the Exterminator will kill the Zoologist. Why would the Exterminator (who may not even exist, btw) throw away his large tech slot to get a chance at killing a potentially nonexistant Zoologist who isn't even that big of a deal? It would make a lot more sense for him to save said Plasma Bomb in case he himself gets abducted by the Zoologist.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 06:12:47 pm

If you were only calling for an Org policy lynch to get the conversation started, why did you spend nearly all of your time bickering with Org instead of actually talking to any of the other people talking about the Org policy lynch you suggested?

Because he was there. And I did somewhat, although you are quite correct that I could have done more. Not going to work in another game though, so meh?

And I also wanted to get him talking. He can actually rarely be surprisingly deep if he actually bothers to play. Which he hasn't since then... ORG, where'd you go again?

This is going nowhere very quickly. Unvote. I'm finding a distinct lack of intent to harm coming from you. Well, harm anyone except Org, but I'm also not finding that intent to be malicious. Angry, sure, but that's kinda justified since it's Org we're talking about.

@Webadict: Does NOBODY ELSE see his OBVIOUS AND BLATANT active lurking? He has 9 posts, yet NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY CONTENT AT ALL? Does anybody else notice that his playstyle is totally different this game compared to any of the games he's been town in since ever? Why are people giving him a pass when he's being totally useless? It's like how people treat Org... except this is fucking Webadict! Usually by this point he's drilling somebody to death, yet now he's joking around with Org? This seems really, really off. He's obviously scum and it seems like nobody else but Zathras even cares, and Zathreas doesn't even seem to be that serious.

@Everyone: If you're a Kook, claim it now. Anybody who doesn't is scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 03:11:50 am

Can I bandwagon Webadict?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 11, 2010, 03:54:40 am

Yeah, sure, knock yourself out.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Counterpoint to JTF's point about stuff going wrong.

You're arguing against the specific hypothetical examples JTF listed but you're missing the point. It's a bad idea to count on power roles taking care of our problems because things can go wrong. It's not important how. With scum like SHADOWdump it's probably best to just lynch him and let the power roles go do their own thing instead of focus (and likely waste) their efforts dealing with something we could deal with right now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 04:10:45 am

I'm not bandwagoning Webadict. He's up to something, and it stinks worse than I do.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 04:43:41 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 11, 2010, 03:54:40 am

Yeah, sure, knock yourself out.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Counterpoint to JTF's point about stuff going wrong.

You're arguing against the specific hypothetical examples JTF listed but you're missing the point. It's a bad idea to count on power roles taking care of our problems because things can go wrong. It's not important how. With scum like SHADOWdump it's probably best to just lynch him and let the power roles go do their own thing instead of focus (and likely waste) their efforts dealing with something we could deal with right now.

I'd MUCH rather waste a Zoologist nab than a lynch. I'd also love it if a Vigilante shot SHAD0Wdump the night before lylo. That'd be ideal, really.

I'm pretty sure he's a Spore Spreader, but there's always the chance he's not. He does need to be dead, but he doesn't need to be lynched necessarily.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 04:45:34 am

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 04:43:41 am

I'd MUCH rather waste a Zoologist nab than a lynch. I'd also love it if a Vigilante shot SHAD0Wdump the night before lylo. That'd be ideal, really.

It would be oh so enlightening.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 11, 2010, 04:52:23 am

Presupposing presence of a vigilante.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mish on November 11, 2010, 06:50:42 am

If no one else will I can replace if you guys don't mind a slight lack of experience, just reading through round 16, halfway done, then I can read through this topic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:38:38 am

Experienced players agree.
Something is off with wuba.
But I'm still suspicious of Leafsnail.  He pops in to say nothing but that I was acting awfully scummy, and nothing else?  My acting scummy has already been established.  Seems like he's being less-than-useful.  My vote doesn't come off until better contributions from him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:02:56 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 10, 2010, 07:58:31 pm

Would you rather I rage at the machine and waste some lynches? No. Let's save that for when I have evidence.

If doing nothing to get that evidence works out for you then who cares what I think.

You got this, bro. You got this.

Right, but I keep jumping between mafia, another game, and a project that I really need to finish to pass a class. Which cuts out a lot of my time I normally spend doing this.

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:51:47 pm

Web:  You appear to be dancing around the point of asking me why I'm voting Shadow, so let me summarize for you.

His behavior has gone beyond scummy, on past intentionally scummy, way out into "so intentionally scummy that I must not be scum at all!"  He's scum trying to pull off Refuge in Audacity, and I'm calling him on it.  Once he several votes, he tried to back down off it and try "Sorry about that, I'm being helpful now, see?"  Clear sign of RiA scum getting caught in the act and trying to back down off it.

While that's definitely possible, I really doubt that he's going to pull off a successful RiA on Day 1. Or ever. I just don't.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Why did you feel the need to phrase this this way? It looks like you're being defensive for something you haven't been accused of. 

I do agree that on first look a Zoologist would certaintly pick up SHAD0Wdump, but on second loop there's all sorts of ways that could go wrong. Prime target for a Reporter, plasma bomb, night kill, prolly a few other things.

Nah, I just want everyone to unvote SHAD0Wdump. A Zoologist or Vigilante will take care of him, if we have either one of those roles.

Why would a Reporter waste his time trying to find a Zoologist when there's scum to go find? I'd much rather look for the dopps than anything else. Which leads me to my next point; why would the dopps kill SHAD0Wdump? He's really high on a lot of people's lynch lists. And why would an Exterminator blow his Plasma Bomb on SHAD0Wdump? If there just so happens to be a Zoologist and the Zoologist just so happens to decide to grab SHAD0Wdump today AND there just so happens to be an Exterminator who just so happens to get a Plasma Bomb and just so happens to use it on SHAD0Wdump, the Exterminator will kill the Zoologist. Why would the Exterminator (who may not even exist, btw) throw away his large tech slot to get a chance at killing a potentially nonexistant Zoologist who isn't even that big of a deal? It would make a lot more sense for him to save said Plasma Bomb in case he himself gets abducted by the Zoologist.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

@Webadict: Does NOBODY ELSE see his OBVIOUS AND BLATANT active lurking? He has 9 posts, yet NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY CONTENT AT ALL? Does anybody else notice that his playstyle is totally different this game compared to any of the games he's been town in since ever? Why are people giving him a pass when he's being totally useless? It's like how people treat Org... except this is fucking Webadict! Usually by this point he's drilling somebody to death, yet now he's joking around with Org? This seems really, really off. He's obviously scum and it seems like nobody else but Zathras even cares, and Zathreas doesn't even seem to be that serious.

That's not true. I'm contributing less than normal, but I'm not contributing nothing. Not only that, but I don't have time to drill someone to death right now. By Tuesday, I should have significantly more time.

If you care to wait, that is. It also doesn't help that there's 15 other people posting at once.

Quote from: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 01:25:07 am

I've only played one full game with him; I replaced into another he was in after he died, and he replaced in one of mine after I died, so I've seen him a bit. His ego and playstyle are indeed unique and legendary, but he's seldom this useless. He tends to be far more verbose, has incisive questions, and will badger and badger on people until he has received answers to his satisfaction.

That he's now dicking around with his +5 sword of uselessness tells me he isn't playing his normal town game, which means he's scum. I wouldn't mind it one bit if he hangs today, and I think it would be a vastly more useful lynch than Shadowdump, even if they are both scum. Wuba with scum night actions is scary.

*sigh* Later, okay?

Quote from: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 12:40:17 am

Mostly caught up, I'm back on webadict for being cryptic and unhelpful. Web, who from the six lurkiest I mentioned earlier are most likely to be scumlurking, in your opinion?

I'd say Ottofar and Eduren. Having only 1 post is unacceptable. I mean, I'm trying to do the bare minimum and I've got 11 posts. What's that say about them?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 11, 2010, 09:05:59 am

got swamped by work, i'm still there and ill have more time to post tonight and tommorow. Ill do a big one tonight.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Toaster on November 11, 2010, 10:49:41 am

Person:

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Why did you feel the need to phrase this this way? It looks like you're being defensive for something you haven't been accused of. 

I do agree that on first look a Zoologist would certaintly pick up SHAD0Wdump, but on second loop there's all sorts of ways that could go wrong. Prime target for a Reporter, plasma bomb, night kill, prolly a few other things.

Nah, I just want everyone to unvote SHAD0Wdump. A Zoologist or Vigilante will take care of him, if we have either one of those roles.

Let's assume he's not lynched and survives to D2, and no one comes forward with information about him.  What do we do then?  All it does is postpone the problem.  I say let's solve it now- otherwise we end up with more of...

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 03:11:50 am

Can I bandwagon Webadict?

He's not even attempting to be helpful.


Web:

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:51:47 pm

Web:  You appear to be dancing around the point of asking me why I'm voting Shadow, so let me summarize for you.

His behavior has gone beyond scummy, on past intentionally scummy, way out into "so intentionally scummy that I must not be scum at all!"  He's scum trying to pull off Refuge in Audacity, and I'm calling him on it.  Once he several votes, he tried to back down off it and try "Sorry about that, I'm being helpful now, see?"  Clear sign of RiA scum getting caught in the act and trying to back down off it.

While that's definitely possible, I really doubt that he's going to pull off a successful RiA on Day 1. Or ever. I just don't.

Oh I fully agree that it's not successful- I say he tried and failed.

MBP:

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 11, 2010, 09:05:59 am

got swamped by work, i'm still there and ill have more time to post tonight and tommorow. Ill do a big one tonight.

We're looking forward to it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 11:03:57 am

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Leafsnail, Org, SHAD0Wdump
Leafsnail: KaminaSquirtle
SHAD0Wdump: Criptfeind, JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Pandarsenic, Toaster
Solifuge: Eduren, Mysteriousbluepuppet
Toaster: webadict
Zathras: Ottofar
webadict: Mr.Person, Zathras

---

Day 1 Ends ~5pm Pacific Today

Quote from: Mish on November 11, 2010, 06:50:42 am

If no one else will I can replace if you guys don't mind a slight lack of experience, just reading through round 16, halfway done, then I can read through this topic.

Have you completed at least one other mafia game? A Beginners, perhaps? If so I'll let you join.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 11:11:54 am

Ooh, I just can't wait to see people's reactions when I go stiff.

But yeah, this is a particular reason I don't tend to play mafia, it just doesn't work. However if I had restrained myself to the three a day thing I might have been able to survive... actually probably not, you'd all probably turn rampant anyway.

I might consider trying another game while more strictly retaining myself to three words max per post, because otherwise it ends up in everyone going ballistic and lynching me. I mean, gotta try something right?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 11, 2010, 01:20:13 pm

Seriously, posting three words a day is going to get you killed no matter what. It makes you look like you're hiding something.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 01:25:47 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 01:20:13 pm

Seriously, posting three words a day is going to get you killed no matter what. It makes you look like you're hiding something.

Because I am. I would be hiding my 24/7 scummy attitude.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Ottofar on November 11, 2010, 01:50:27 pm

What, SHADOW.

First of all, Unvote Zathras.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Not timewise, but it makes us short town.  Scum should be lynched, not town, no matter how stupid.  That is the point of town.
Unvote.
Vote JanusTwoface.

Kamina. This one here. It's a post to look less scummy. Which in itself is scummy.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:43:03 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:36:08 pm

It's a shame, I was about to extend you some noob slack but then you go and do something violently reactionary like this.

Whyyy are you voting for JTF? You were just explaining away his actions a minute ago.

Because I was thinking in the context of BM.  What he's doing seems different now.  I understand it from a new perspective.  He's suggesting a lynch simply because of a player's rep, with no regards to losing a chance to lynch scum.  I can unvote whenever the hell I want.  I want answers out of the fucker.

I'm done being wishy-washy, as you pointed out I was.  Are you seriously suggesting I would be so stupid as to bus my scumbuddy this early just because of a small accusation?
Goddamn, I'm not that stupid.

WIFOM here.



Yeah, I've been lurking because there were certain technical difficulties. Having electricity go on and off pretty randomly, that is.

I like how the game is active.

My list'd go something like: Kamina
SHAD0W
Perhaps JTF.

Damn, I'll try to do a bit better post tomorrow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 02:29:57 pm

Otto, would you care to copy Leafsnail any more?  Even his arguments weren't original.
It looks to me like you waltzed in here to avoid getting attacked for lurking, and decided to make a safe vote, and leave without actually doing anything.
Please contribute.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 01:25:47 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 01:20:13 pm

Seriously, posting three words a day is going to get you killed no matter what. It makes you look like you're hiding something.

Because I am. I would be hiding my 24/7 scummy attitude.

webadict, what's his WIFOM level?
(Hint: It's over 9000.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 02:33:52 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 02:29:57 pm

webadict, what's his WIFOM level?
(Hint: It's over 9000.)

If I could vote you again for saying that, I would.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 02:46:39 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 11:03:57 am

Day 1 Ends ~5pm Pacific Today

I say we haven't made nearly enough progress, hell, there's people that have posted only once or twice, for fuck's sake... I also think the current consensus around a Shadowdump lynch, while understandable, is less than optimal -- there are worthier targets.

Therefore, I request an extension.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 03:05:37 pm

<_<==>_>

extension


What? It's in my interests to survive of course.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 03:09:06 pm

Agree on extension.  We could use more time.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:10:42 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 11, 2010, 10:49:41 am

Person:

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Why did you feel the need to phrase this this way? It looks like you're being defensive for something you haven't been accused of. 

I do agree that on first look a Zoologist would certaintly pick up SHAD0Wdump, but on second loop there's all sorts of ways that could go wrong. Prime target for a Reporter, plasma bomb, night kill, prolly a few other things.

Nah, I just want everyone to unvote SHAD0Wdump. A Zoologist or Vigilante will take care of him, if we have either one of those roles.

Let's assume he's not lynched and survives to D2, and no one comes forward with information about him.  What do we do then?  All it does is postpone the problem.  I say let's solve it now- otherwise we end up with more of...

Aah, but there's no chance we're worse off, right? Worst case scenario, we just lynch him tomorrow. It's not like we have to lynch him today, we're more than capable of lynching him tomorrow.

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:51:47 pm

Web:  You appear to be dancing around the point of asking me why I'm voting Shadow, so let me summarize for you.

His behavior has gone beyond scummy, on past intentionally scummy, way out into "so intentionally scummy that I must not be scum at all!"  He's scum trying to pull off Refuge in Audacity, and I'm calling him on it.  Once he several votes, he tried to back down off it and try "Sorry about that, I'm being helpful now, see?"  Clear sign of RiA scum getting caught in the act and trying to back down off it.

While that's definitely possible, I really doubt that he's going to pull off a successful RiA on Day 1. Or ever. I just don't.

WIFOM? From Webadict? I'd never thought I'd see the day.

So what IS SHAD0Wdump doing, then?

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

@Webadict: Does NOBODY ELSE see his OBVIOUS AND BLATANT active lurking? He has 9 posts, yet NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY CONTENT AT ALL? Does anybody else notice that his playstyle is totally different this game compared to any of the games he's been town in since ever? Why are people giving him a pass when he's being totally useless? It's like how people treat Org... except this is fucking Webadict! Usually by this point he's drilling somebody to death, yet now he's joking around with Org? This seems really, really off. He's obviously scum and it seems like nobody else but Zathras even cares, and Zathreas doesn't even seem to be that serious.

That's not true. I'm contributing less than normal, but I'm not contributing nothing. Not only that, but I don't have time to drill someone to death right now. By Tuesday, I should have significantly more time.

If you care to wait, that is. It also doesn't help that there's 15 other people posting at once.

I'd like to point out here that Webadict has only posted about himself. Usually by now Webadict would be grilling some poor target to death, yet here he's not even asking any questions. It's not like there's a lack of targets, either.

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 12:40:17 am

Mostly caught up, I'm back on webadict for being cryptic and unhelpful. Web, who from the six lurkiest I mentioned earlier are most likely to be scumlurking, in your opinion?

I'd say Ottofar and Eduren. Having only 1 post is unacceptable. I mean, I'm trying to do the bare minimum and I've got 11 posts. What's that say about them?

Deflection. No vote at all. Laziness. Wow, this post is super-duper scummy.

Lurkers? Really? That's it? There's nothing else odd going one? KaminaSquirtle hasn't done anything scummy? Janus's Org-policy-lynch didn't ring any warning bells from you? Not even any questions for anyone? I know what attacking lurkers is, it's a last-ditch effort to look useful when you're not actually doing anything. And of course you actually pose no questions for the lurkers, so there's no reason for your useless blue text to actually change the fact they're lurking.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 03:11:58 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 02:29:57 pm

Otto, would you care to copy Leafsnail any more?  Even his arguments weren't original.
It looks to me like you waltzed in here to avoid getting attacked for lurking, and decided to make a safe vote, and leave without actually doing anything.
Please contribute.

Just noticed you weren't lurking, it was a blizzard hitting your electricity.  Though, other than the lurking bit, my point still stands.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 03:36:04 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:10:42 pm

WIFOM? From Webadict? I'd never thought I'd see the day.

Sometimes I wonder if everything anyone does in this game counts as WIFOM. And if you say no, then it probably is in another person's point of view.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:39:07 pm

I'll talk about this with you later, SHAD0Wdump.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 03:43:01 pm

3 Requests for an Extension. 1 more needed to extend the day to ~5pm Pacific Friday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 11, 2010, 04:28:14 pm

EXTENSION. 

I'm busy from now until an hour after the game ends with only my phone to post so I won't be able to post again.

Mysteriousbluepuppet and Ottofar, you've received a stay of lurkitude. Use it.

SHAD0Wdump, you have a chance to prove yourself useful. If you have anything that would make it more costly than helpful to lynch us, now would be a good time to share it. Or even to delay your lynch until tomorrow. With all the crap you've been spewing, it is going to have to be awesome.

---

Quote from: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 01:25:07 am

I've only played one full game with him; I replaced into another he was in after he died, and he replaced in one of mine after I died, so I've seen him a bit. His ego and playstyle are indeed unique and legendary, but he's seldom this useless. He tends to be far more verbose, has incisive questions, and will badger and badger on people until he has received answers to his satisfaction.

That he's now dicking around with his +5 sword of uselessness tells me he isn't playing his normal town game, which means he's scum. I wouldn't mind it one bit if he hangs today, and I think it would be a vastly more useful lynch than Shadowdump, even if they are both scum. Wuba with scum night actions is scary.

Actually he has two modes. He's in passive/mostly useless mode right now. If all goes as normal, he'll switch into crazy mode shortly.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Why would a Reporter waste his time trying to find a Zoologist when there's scum to go find?

Because the Reporter could cut a deal with the Zoologist. Helpful for both.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Why would the Exterminator (who may not even exist, btw) throw away his large tech slot to get a chance at killing a potentially nonexistant Zoologist who isn't even that big of a deal?

The point is that if SHAD0Wdump attracts enough attention, the Plasma Bomb will do a lot more damage.

Quote from: Mish on November 11, 2010, 06:50:42 am

If no one else will I can replace if you guys don't mind a slight lack of experience, just reading through round 16, halfway done, then I can read through this topic.

So far as me, go for it. The biggest thing is to be active. The second is if you do scummy things, keep trying and don't give up. But that's just me, Meph has the final call.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 11, 2010, 09:05:59 am

got swamped by work, i'm still there and ill have more time to post tonight and tommorow. Ill do a big one tonight.

Tonight is the final day. Ask for an extention if you don't have time, make sure you use it. Otherwise it's lurking -> scummy.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 11:11:54 am

Ooh, I just can't wait to see people's reactions when I go stiff.

But yeah, this is a particular reason I don't tend to play mafia, it just doesn't work. However if I had restrained myself to the three a day thing I might have been able to survive... actually probably not, you'd all probably turn rampant anyway.

I might consider trying another game while more strictly retaining myself to three words max per post, because otherwise it ends up in everyone going ballistic and lynching me. I mean, gotta try something right?

No. The problem is that you aren't trying to fix your game. If you're trying, you'll get more slack.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 11, 2010, 01:50:27 pm

I like how the game is active.

My list'd go something like: Kamina
SHAD0W
Perhaps JTF.

I don't like how you're not.

Your list is the exact same as Org's, which is the exact same as people have been saying for a while now.  Nothing new and no reasoning given. Scummy.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 11, 2010, 01:50:27 pm

Damn, I'll try to do a bit better post tomorrow.

The day ends tonight. If you're going to need more time, request an extension and use it. Same as Mysteriousbluepuppet above. Otherwise, scummy.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:10:42 pm

Aah, but there's no chance we're worse off, right? Worst case scenario, we just lynch him tomorrow. It's not like we have to lynch him today, we're more than capable of lynching him tomorrow.

But will we? This is how Org surives to the end in games where he's less productive.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 11, 2010, 04:30:09 pm

Extension

PPE: Ne'er mind, ninja'd by Janus.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 04:35:07 pm

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Leafsnail, Org, Ottofar, SHAD0Wdump
Leafsnail: KaminaSquirtle
SHAD0Wdump: Criptfeind, JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Pandarsenic, Toaster
Solifuge: Eduren, Mysteriousbluepuppet
Toaster: webadict
webadict: Mr.Person, Zathras

---

Day has been Extended to ~5pm Pacific Friday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 11, 2010, 05:56:03 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 04:10:45 am

I'm not bandwagoning Webadict. He's up to something, and it stinks worse than I do.

Coward. It's pretty terrible when claimed scum can't put their money where their mouth is.

How does what webadict's doing stink worse than what you're doing?

To everybody trying to lynch webadict: How about we not try to get him lynched for lurking. If he says he's busy I don't really have any reason to doubt him, because stuff happens, it takes time away from games. We can only hold one person accountable for lurking today, and is webadict really the worst example out there? There are people out there without excuses for their lurking, and you're going to hold webadict's ass to the fire for stupid meta shit? That's dumb.

Now that I got that out of the way I'm going to stir some shit up.

Quote from: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 02:46:39 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 11:03:57 am

Day 1 Ends ~5pm Pacific Today

I say we haven't made nearly enough progress, hell, there's people that have posted only once or twice, for fuck's sake... I also think the current consensus around a Shadowdump lynch, while understandable, is less than optimal -- there are worthier targets.

Therefore, I request an extension.

If there are worthier targets for lynches today, why are you doing precisely nothing trying to convince people about that? Mr. Person's more interested in a webadict lynch than you are, because he's going out there to convince people. Are you just going to let him do all the work?

You're saying all the right town things but you're doing none of the right town actions. Through the whole game you've done no serious scumhunting, you've only prodded lurkers, and made the grandiose contribution of the Lukertracker©. It looks like you're more interested in avoiding attention with empty and easy contributions than you are in finding scum.

I think you're scum, Zathras. You're not stirring any shit up and it's bugging me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 07:13:58 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 10, 2010, 09:41:12 pm

Yes, these have been pointed out.  I'll remove my vote when I've seen more original contributions, rather than just attacking an me, an easy target.

I can't help it if scum is an easy target.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:38:38 am

But I'm still suspicious of Leafsnail.  He pops in to say nothing but that I was acting awfully scummy, and nothing else?  My acting scummy has already been established.  Seems like he's being less-than-useful.  My vote doesn't come off until better contributions from him.

So... you're admitting you did scummy things that make you scum, and are making no attempts to deny them.  Nor are you refuting any of my points.

You're just saying I'm scum for pointing our your alignment.  Uh, right.  Whatever.

My argument about your ridiculously panicky and inconsistent reaction (in which you make a series of irrelevant and contradictory statements) is both original and valid.  You've realised your actions are indefensible, so instead you've just decided to attack anyone who votes you.  This is not a townie thing to do, and your flailing is looking more classically noobscum by the post.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 11, 2010, 04:28:14 pm

Mysteriousbluepuppet and Ottofar, you've received a stay of lurkitude. Use it.

SHAD0Wdump, you have a chance to prove yourself useful. If you have anything that would make it more costly than helpful to lynch us, now would be a good time to share it. Or even to delay your lynch until tomorrow. With all the crap you've been spewing, it is going to have to be awesome.

I'm actually very, very impressed by this post.  It takes up the entire screen, but it doesn't once accuse ANYONE of being scum.  At all.  Sure, it makes an extremely vague attack on Ottofar for throwaway reasons, but your two FoS's go to lurkers and your vote is done based on policy.  I'd like to give you an award for most waffly, useless, active lurking post, JanusTwoFace.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:45:42 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 07:13:58 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:38:38 am

But I'm still suspicious of Leafsnail.  He pops in to say nothing but that I was acting awfully scummy, and nothing else?  My acting scummy has already been established.  Seems like he's being less-than-useful.  My vote doesn't come off until better contributions from him.

So... you're admitting you did scummy things that make you scum, and are making no attempts to deny them.  Nor are you refuting any of my points.

You're just saying I'm scum for pointing our your alignment.  Uh, right.  Whatever.

My argument about your ridiculously panicky and inconsistent reaction (in which you make a series of irrelevant and contradictory statements) is both original and valid.  You've realised your actions are indefensible, so instead you've just decided to attack anyone who votes you.  This is not a townie thing to do, and your flailing is looking more classically noobscum by the post.

No.  They don't make me scum.  They make me look like scum, sure.  How am I supposed to refute that something makes me look scummy when it does?

Your arguments aren't original.  I'm quite sure everyone has noticed those points by the time you posted them.

I'm not taking issue with you voting me.  I don't like it, but it doesn't make you scummy.  However, lurking and then only pointing out obvious points, and almost nothing else, does.  You're trying to dismiss my argument by saying that I'm just 'flailing'.  Maybe you should address my actual point instead of making a strawman by putting words in mouth.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:05:22 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:45:42 pm

No.  They don't make me scum.  They make me look like scum, sure.  How am I supposed to refute that something makes me look scummy when it does?

The sheer logical contortion in this paragraph greatly amuses me.

"I look like scum, and I can't deny that I look like scum, but trust me, I'm not scum!"

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:45:42 pm

Your arguments aren't original.  I'm quite sure everyone has noticed those points by the time you posted them.

"And for saying that I'm scum for reasons I aknowledge are correct, you're scum!"

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle link=treasons opic=69553.msg1708606#msg1708606 date=1289522742

I'm not taking issue with you voting me.  I don't like it, but it doesn't make you scummy.  However, lurking and then only pointing out obvious points, and almost nothing else, does.

I will point out obvious scum until they die, thank you very much.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle link=treasons opic=69553.msg1708606#msg1708606 date=1289522742

You're trying to dismiss my argument by saying that I'm just 'flailing'.  Maybe you should address my actual point instead of making a strawman by putting words in mouth.

The thing is, there's no actual point to your argument.

You've admitted that you look like scum, and you can't deny that you look like scum.  In other words, you're expecting me to take on trust that you aren't scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 08:20:26 pm

You're still missing my point.  My point is you've posted almost nothing except attacks on me.  It's that you have nothing else to contribute that gets me.  It takes almost no effort to attack me.  Do something that requires effort.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:05:22 pm

You've admitted that you look like scum, and you can't deny that you look like scum.  In other words, you're expecting me to take on trust that you aren't scum.

I expect you to determine my scummyness from a combination of my past actions and my present ones.  I intend to show I'm not scum.  If you don't believe I can redeem myself, then by all means keep tunneling me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:42:18 pm

Your current actions aren't any better than your past ones, though.  That's the thing.

And again, if I get scum lynched today, that's all that really matters.  I guess I could poke vague attacks and questions at twelve different people à la Janus, but then my attacks cease to have any real weight.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 08:51:41 pm

Well, there seems little chance of you changing your mind, so I see no need to continue this conversation.

What comes of this is up to the other players.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mish on November 11, 2010, 09:04:38 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 11:03:57 am

Have you completed at least one other mafia game? A Beginners, perhaps? If so I'll let you join.

Yeah, a couple of games on another forum, plus I've read some games on this forum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 09:22:17 pm

Hmm. Ok, I'll send you the Role PM.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 11, 2010, 09:33:34 pm

Kamina:  If you want to convince us you're not scum, do it by negation.  Show us someone else who is scum.  Right now, you're #2 scum in my book.

You're doing a poor job of scum hunting now.  You voted Leafsnail for lurking (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704497#msg1704497), then when he came back and posted, you changed your reason (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706795#msg1706795) for voting him... to because he voted you for acting scummy?  Try harder than that.


Person:

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:10:42 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 11, 2010, 10:49:41 am

Person:

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 02:47:21 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 10, 2010, 05:01:42 pm

While I'm dragging up a few older posts, I feel like pointing out I would of voted SHAD0Wdump yesterday, but I really want to give a Zoologist a chance to grab him first. I still do.

Why did you feel the need to phrase this this way? It looks like you're being defensive for something you haven't been accused of. 

I do agree that on first look a Zoologist would certaintly pick up SHAD0Wdump, but on second loop there's all sorts of ways that could go wrong. Prime target for a Reporter, plasma bomb, night kill, prolly a few other things.

Nah, I just want everyone to unvote SHAD0Wdump. A Zoologist or Vigilante will take care of him, if we have either one of those roles.

Let's assume he's not lynched and survives to D2, and no one comes forward with information about him.  What do we do then?  All it does is postpone the problem.  I say let's solve it now- otherwise we end up with more of...

Aah, but there's no chance we're worse off, right? Worst case scenario, we just lynch him tomorrow. It's not like we have to lynch him today, we're more than capable of lynching him tomorrow.

If we spend half the next day on this conversation, then we're worse off.  I'm sure he's scum, so I want him gone now.


Mish:  Thanks for replacing in.  After you get done reviewing the thread and posting your observation, I'd also like to know the most important lesson you've learned in your previous games.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 11, 2010, 10:07:05 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 01:25:47 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 01:20:13 pm

Seriously, posting three words a day is going to get you killed no matter what. It makes you look like you're hiding something.

Because I am. I would be hiding my 24/7 scummy attitude.

No, man. You need to show an attitude of achievement. You want the town to succeed. Hiding it behind made up post restrictions will only make you a policy lynch. You'll be a detriment to your team no matter what it is.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:10:42 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 10, 2010, 09:51:47 pm

Web:  You appear to be dancing around the point of asking me why I'm voting Shadow, so let me summarize for you.

His behavior has gone beyond scummy, on past intentionally scummy, way out into "so intentionally scummy that I must not be scum at all!"  He's scum trying to pull off Refuge in Audacity, and I'm calling him on it.  Once he several votes, he tried to back down off it and try "Sorry about that, I'm being helpful now, see?"  Clear sign of RiA scum getting caught in the act and trying to back down off it.

While that's definitely possible, I really doubt that he's going to pull off a successful RiA on Day 1. Or ever. I just don't.

WIFOM? From Webadict? I'd never thought I'd see the day.

That's me evaluating his ability. That's not WIFOM. My opinion is neither fact nor being forced onto others.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:10:42 pm

So what IS SHAD0Wdump doing, then?

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 10, 2010, 08:11:34 pm

@Webadict: Does NOBODY ELSE see his OBVIOUS AND BLATANT active lurking? He has 9 posts, yet NONE OF THEM HAVE ANY CONTENT AT ALL? Does anybody else notice that his playstyle is totally different this game compared to any of the games he's been town in since ever? Why are people giving him a pass when he's being totally useless? It's like how people treat Org... except this is fucking Webadict! Usually by this point he's drilling somebody to death, yet now he's joking around with Org? This seems really, really off. He's obviously scum and it seems like nobody else but Zathras even cares, and Zathreas doesn't even seem to be that serious.

That's not true. I'm contributing less than normal, but I'm not contributing nothing. Not only that, but I don't have time to drill someone to death right now. By Tuesday, I should have significantly more time.

If you care to wait, that is. It also doesn't help that there's 15 other people posting at once.

I'd like to point out here that Webadict has only posted about himself. Usually by now Webadict would be grilling some poor target to death, yet here he's not even asking any questions. It's not like there's a lack of targets, either.

Yeah, sorry. I haven't had time to evaluate posts on a case by case basis. There's too many people to even make a small attack right now or get a head about the situation. But, if I get to Tuesday, I promise I'll have a good reading.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 11, 2010, 03:10:42 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 11, 2010, 12:40:17 am

Mostly caught up, I'm back on webadict for being cryptic and unhelpful. Web, who from the six lurkiest I mentioned earlier are most likely to be scumlurking, in your opinion?

I'd say Ottofar and Eduren. Having only 1 post is unacceptable. I mean, I'm trying to do the bare minimum and I've got 11 posts. What's that say about them?

Deflection. No vote at all. Laziness. Wow, this post is super-duper scummy.

Lurkers? Really? That's it? There's nothing else odd going one? KaminaSquirtle hasn't done anything scummy? Janus's Org-policy-lynch didn't ring any warning bells from you? Not even any questions for anyone? I know what attacking lurkers is, it's a last-ditch effort to look useful when you're not actually doing anything. And of course you actually pose no questions for the lurkers, so there's no reason for your useless blue text to actually change the fact they're lurking.

Were you reading what I was responding to? I was asked who was likely scumlurking. I gave my opinion. I honestly see nothing wrong with my answer. Sure, they're lurking. But, they've posted once. Once. Your point doesn't make any sense.

Look, you can cut me some slack and extend the Day, or you can sit here and complain. I'm not asking much. All I really want is to pass my class. I'm not going to put this game before my life.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 11, 2010, 05:56:03 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 04:10:45 am

I'm not bandwagoning Webadict. He's up to something, and it stinks worse than I do.

Coward. It's pretty terrible when claimed scum can't put their money where their mouth is.

How does what webadict's doing stink worse than what you're doing?

To everybody trying to lynch webadict: How about we not try to get him lynched for lurking. If he says he's busy I don't really have any reason to doubt him, because stuff happens, it takes time away from games. We can only hold one person accountable for lurking today, and is webadict really the worst example out there? There are people out there without excuses for their lurking, and you're going to hold webadict's ass to the fire for stupid meta shit? That's dumb.

Thank you. If I'm not here by the time I promise, feel free to push me on it everyone. I'm sorry, and I'm trying to at least contribute a minimum amount.

Extension.

Again, sorry guys.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 10:24:52 pm

Extension.
webadict needs a chance+I need time to actually not be stupid and help find scum.
Unvote.
I'm going to reread the thread and see what I come up with.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 11:06:10 pm

Day already got extended to Friday, are you trying to get it extended to Monday?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 12:06:41 am

Whoops, since someone said extension I assumed it was going to end soon.  What does everyone else think about an extension to Monday?  If you think it would be helpful...

For one, I have to agree with Jim from a while back.  Something feels off about you, Zathras.  You've made no accusations except on lurkers, and the The LurkerTracker® seems to have appeared as a convenient cover up.  It helps you target only lurkers while looking like you're putting a lot of effort into scumhunting.  In fact, every time I see a post of yours the point of it is: "Hmmmm, can't let those lurkers get away!"  "They're getting a free pass!  I can't let that happen!  Don't worry town, I'll protect you from the lurkers."  Your entire voting method so far is to see who is the most lurkery, without accounting for anything else, really.
And then you add on the question asking about other's top scumpicks, which seems to me as if you're trying to do a combination of seeing what the general consensus is, so you can avoid stirring up controversy, and pretending to scumhunt.

The only posts he doesn't just lurker it up are the ones concerning webadict, and the one he mentions an extensions, and even in those he manages to tie lurkers into it somehow.

And I hate to bring it up, but after your initial 'blue candy' post, you never mention me again, even when I get a quite large amount of suspicion.  Actually, you haven't really done anything other than defend and attack lurkers, as I think Jim pointed out.  Your abundance of defenses and impressive displays, but lack of scumhunting, makes me suspicious, Zathras.

The other person who caught my eye was Ottofar.  This is his only non RVS post:

Quote from: Ottofar on November 11, 2010, 01:50:27 pm

What, SHADOW.

First of all, Unvote Zathras.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Not timewise, but it makes us short town.  Scum should be lynched, not town, no matter how stupid.  That is the point of town.
Unvote.
Vote JanusTwoface.

Kamina. This one here. It's a post to look less scummy. Which in itself is scummy.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:43:03 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:36:08 pm

It's a shame, I was about to extend you some noob slack but then you go and do something violently reactionary like this.

Whyyy are you voting for JTF? You were just explaining away his actions a minute ago.

Because I was thinking in the context of BM.  What he's doing seems different now.  I understand it from a new perspective.  He's suggesting a lynch simply because of a player's rep, with no regards to losing a chance to lynch scum.  I can unvote whenever the hell I want.  I want answers out of the fucker.

I'm done being wishy-washy, as you pointed out I was.  Are you seriously suggesting I would be so stupid as to bus my scumbuddy this early just because of a small accusation?
Goddamn, I'm not that stupid.

WIFOM here.



Yeah, I've been lurking because there were certain technical difficulties. Having electricity go on and off pretty randomly, that is.

I like how the game is active.

My list'd go something like: Kamina
SHAD0W
Perhaps JTF.

Damn, I'll try to do a bit better post tomorrow.

He may have had an excuse for lurking then, but not now.  This has been his only real post so far, and he uses it to Org it up?  JTF pointed this out first:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 11, 2010, 04:28:14 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 11, 2010, 01:50:27 pm

I like how the game is active.

My list'd go something like: Kamina
SHAD0W
Perhaps JTF.

I don't like how you're not.

Your list is the exact same as Org's, which is the exact same as people have been saying for a while now.  Nothing new and no reasoning given. Scummy.

And I'm inclined to agree.  He's just parroting Org, and Leafsnail a bit too.  He's done no thinking at all thus far.  This post is enough to earn some blue text.  Ottofar.

But who to vote?
Zathras.  I want to see more than one post from Ottofar before I vote him.  Zathras, however, has plenty of posts which back up my accusations.

Quote from: Toaster on November 11, 2010, 09:33:34 pm

Kamina:  If you want to convince us you're not scum, do it by negation.  Show us someone else who is scum.  Right now, you're #2 scum in my book.

You're doing a poor job of scum hunting now.  You voted Leafsnail for lurking (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704497#msg1704497), then when he came back and posted, you changed your reason (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706795#msg1706795) for voting him... to because he voted you for acting scummy?  Try harder than that.

This better, Toaster?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 12:33:32 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 11, 2010, 09:33:34 pm

Mish:  Thanks for replacing in.  After you get done reviewing the thread and posting your observation, I'd also like to know the most important lesson you've learned in your previous games.

Writing up my read on everyone in the game so far, but in the meantime I'll answer your question:
Probably not to edit posts, then it's not to get overly scared of a vote and cease attacking.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 01:23:43 am

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 12:06:41 am

Whoops, since someone said extension I assumed it was going to end soon.  What does everyone else think about an extension to Monday?  If you think it would be helpful...

Blarg, no. There's a majority consensus on SHADOWdump and it doesn't look like it's going to change. I see no need to tread water until Monday.

Also, yeah, Zathras is totally scum. Every other game I've seen him he's practically jumping all oever everybody for anything and in this game he's had all day to respond to my accusation and he can't be bothered? Evasive dude is scum.

I'm not going to forget about this on Day 2 and I hope that nobody else is either. But first SHADOWdump needs to die.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement requested
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:11:04 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 11, 2010, 05:56:03 pm

To everybody trying to lynch webadict: How about we not try to get him lynched for lurking.

Can we lynch him because of his ego?  :)  (that was sarcasm for anyone that missed it)

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 07:13:58 pm

I'm actually very, very impressed by this post.  It takes up the entire screen, but it doesn't once accuse ANYONE of being scum.  At all.  Sure, it makes an extremely vague attack on Ottofar for throwaway reasons, but your two FoS's go to lurkers and your vote is done based on policy.  I'd like to give you an award for most waffly, useless, active lurking post, JanusTwoFace.

Why, thank you. I try.

More seriously, you're wrong. The commentary on Webadict's playstyle points towards him being scummy or busy (right now, probably the latter; you're correct that it's not stated explicitly).  The comments back to Mr.Person are calling anyone scum, but are directly pertinent to SHAD0Wdump's impending lynch.  The point on Ottofar was for more than lurking, what little he has is copying Org of all people.

And that wasn't my vote on SHAD0Wdump. I was voting him long before that. That was a continuation of the same vote in contrast to the blue. So that's not even a good point. And because he's scummy. If it's not a policy to lynch people that are being scummy, you and I are playing vastly different games.

Pretty decent, I'd say, especially for how busy Thursdays are for me.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:45:42 pm

So... you're admitting you did scummy things that make you scum, and are making no attempts to deny them.  Nor are you refuting any of my points.

Even if you think you are being scummy, calling yourself out on it is never helpful... :-\

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:45:42 pm

Your arguments aren't original.  I'm quite sure everyone has noticed those points by the time you posted them.

What's funny about this is that your attack here isn't original either. People have already been pointing out a number of people's copied attacks, including Leafsnail's IIRC.

So it looks like you're doing exactly what you say is scummy. Again.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:42:18 pm

And again, if I get scum lynched today, that's all that really matters.  I guess I could poke vague attacks and questions at twelve different people à la Janus, but then my attacks cease to have any real weight.

Or you could attack no one with any real weight. I'm sure that'll work...

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 12:06:41 am

Whoops, since someone said extension I assumed it was going to end soon.  What does everyone else think about an extension to Monday?  If you think it would be helpful...

Don't think it will actually get more activity. Weekends tend to die down a fair bit. Better to have the nights fall over weekends if we can.

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 04:35:07 pm

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Leafsnail, Org, Ottofar, SHAD0Wdump
SHAD0Wdump: Criptfeind, JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Pandarsenic, Toaster

This bothers me. Kamina is being voted by Org (With his reputation for being useless. He was doing better for a bit, but not so much anymore).  Ottofar (With one post which added just copied Org for crying out loud). SHAD0Wdump (scumpie a la mode, and unapologetic about it). Leafsnail (Probably the best player of the bunch, which is scary).

I'm not sure exactly how to phrase why this bugs me so much, but it really does. It's late, going to sleep on it see if it makes more sense in the morning.

Overall (in no particular order within category) I'd say that
- SHAD0Wdump, Org, and Ottofar are scummiest
- Zathras, KaminaSquirtle, Leafsnail, and Mr.Person are semi-scummy
- Jim Groovester, Toaster, webadict, and Criptfeind are probably innocent
- Pandarsenic, Mysteriousbluepuppet, Mith, and Eduren I don't have enough to get a good read on

---

TO ALL LURKERS. 
For the love of *insert whatever you believe in here*
PLEASE DON'T JOIN GAMES IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PLAY THEM.
>:(
YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE
_{that is all}

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 03:02:54 am

You talk about policy lynches way too much man. And this is a role heavy game in particular. You could be frying good town roles with this attitude.
 Now, you could be just honestly too holed up in this crusade-ish playstyle to care about that. But if that is not the case you are making a scum play that can hide your true intention of getting off easy town lynches under this guise.
 I can only see such 'policy lynches' and meta game being harmful to this whole thing, so for the sake of meta, hypocrisy, and hopefully redemption I'm changing my vote Janus.

Stop ruining the game. Yes, I'm kinda ruining the game, but I'll count this as a lesson learned. Meanwhile I think I'll launch a crusade against you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 03:21:24 am

Hey Janus, did you see a chain? Or the other way around?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Eduren on November 12, 2010, 03:50:51 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 10, 2010, 11:07:02 pm

From this list, I feel I must prod ToonyMan, Ottofar & Eduren. Dudes! Come out here and play, or you'll be hanged for lurking. No excuses! Please answer: what are your opinions of the game so far, why have you been lurking, and who are your top scumpicks.

Like I said in my other post, I prefer the lynch all WIFOMers policy. However, this becomes harder to defend when lynching an SS has some detriment to town. In a normal WIFOM situation, a lynch can be easily used on them because the only negative consequence is a wasted lynch. I'm not sure if I want to call for SHADOW's head yet, but maybe after some more questioning.

I haven't had the time needed to devote to this because of some schoolwork (and a party in the middle of the week, college ftw). I can try to stay more active but if it comes down to it, I could call for a replacement.

I honestly don't know, its hard for me to form suspicions if I'm not part of the conversation, which is what I plan on doing before the day ends.

---

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 11, 2010, 11:11:54 am

Ooh, I just can't wait to see people's reactions when I go stiff.

But yeah, this is a particular reason I don't tend to play mafia, it just doesn't work. However if I had restrained myself to the three a day thing I might have been able to survive... actually probably not, you'd all probably turn rampant anyway.

I might consider trying another game while more strictly retaining myself to three words max per post, because otherwise it ends up in everyone going ballistic and lynching me. I mean, gotta try something right?

Why the hell can't you play a normal game? You can't be that bad. As town its not that hard to be helpful, and it is very anti-town to be so hell-bent on survival. If you truly are town (or any alignment for that matter), then I suggest joining the DMA mafia, it is really designed for people like you to build some skills.

Jim: There are a few things bothering me about you.

Here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704278#msg1704278) is where you voted SHADOW. You didn't really give your reasons for voting him, you simply agreed with Pandar. Now, you obviously were suspicious of him beforehand, but what were your reasons for voting him? And you haven't really commented on his behavior since. You almost seem to be avoiding him. So has his recent behavior changed your opinions in any way from your original ones?

And along a similar vein, you have been expressing suspicion of Zathras for quite some time now, even going so far as to call him your Day 2 target. But it seems to me that you have much stronger feelings about Zathras than you do SHADOW. Why are you comfortable with riding the consensus rather than your suspicions?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:17:02 am

When Zathras asked me what my scumpicks were I listed SHADOWdump straight at the top. Deliberate WIFOM and an implicit scum claim beat out normal scum play any day. I waited to vote for him because I was wrangling with whether or not it was a good idea to lynch him. What Pandarsenic said convinced me to go ahead and cast my vote.

If you want an explicit statement of my reasons for voting him, I'll gladly give them to you. I voted SHADOWdump because I was certain he was scum of some sort, but the question remained whether or not lynching him was a good idea. Ultimately, even if SHADOWdump is a Spore Spreader, the town doesn't lose all that much with his lynch and has a pretty good chance of catching some other kind of scum that tried to do some kind of fake claim. (He hasn't actually claimed Spore Spreader, but he went along with it so that's good enough for me.) I'd rather not wait for power roles that may or may not be in the game to deal with him when he could be dealt with right now.

If it appears I suspect Zathras more than SHADOWdump, that's only because I'm pretty damn certain about SHADOWdump and I'm trying to work at Zathras. Since I'm trying to get something out of Zathras, I'm going to have to talk more about him, and the level of hostility and suspicion is just going to increase the more he doesn't respond to me.

On the other hand, there's barely anything to talk about with SHADOWdump. It's pretty cut and dry, and he's not really talking and anything he says can't be trusted, so I'm not really expending too much effort trying to get him to squeal. I haven't been ignoring him though; I told him to bandwagon webadict at his own question to see if he would follow through with it, the idea being that he would reveal who his scumbuddies were by who he was and was not willing to lynch. The coward didn't of course, and I asked him why. He ignored me. Whatever.

Does that answer your questions? Probably a bit more verbose reply than necessary, but I seem to be typing up several paragraphs every once in a while in this game anyway.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 04:23:24 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:17:02 am

I haven't been ignoring him though; I told him to bandwagon webadict at his own question to see if he would follow through with it, the idea being that he would reveal who his scumbuddies were by who he was and was not willing to lynch. The coward didn't of course, and I asked him why. He ignored me. Whatever.

I was sleeping.

The reason I didn't is... well look at that, meta... At the moment, Web scares me. But on contemplation this seems to be either just his scheduling, but if not it may just be a new playstyle he decided to try out.
 Meanwhile, there's other stuff going on, and I'd rather not go for the challenge of figuring out just exactly what Web is doing right away. I think that's something best saved for the next day sequence.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:27:27 am

Then why'd you ask to bandwagon him, scumthroat?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 04:34:35 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:27:27 am

Then why'd you ask to bandwagon him, scumthroat?

It was a joke, lighten up...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 04:35:47 am

The important question is this: What is SHAD0Wdump trying to draw our attention away from?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:50:20 am

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 04:34:35 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:27:27 am

Then why'd you ask to bandwagon him, scumthroat?

It was a joke, lighten up...

lol sure dude

Don't you know that mafia is srs bsns?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Eduren on November 12, 2010, 04:54:50 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:17:02 am

When Zathras asked me what my scumpicks were I listed SHADOWdump straight at the top. Deliberate WIFOM and an implicit scum claim beat out normal scum play any day. I waited to vote for him because I was wrangling with whether or not it was a good idea to lynch him. What Pandarsenic said convinced me to go ahead and cast my vote.

If you want an explicit statement of my reasons for voting him, I'll gladly give them to you. I voted SHADOWdump because I was certain he was scum of some sort, but the question remained whether or not lynching him was a good idea. Ultimately, even if SHADOWdump is a Spore Spreader, the town doesn't lose all that much with his lynch and has a pretty good chance of catching some other kind of scum that tried to do some kind of fake claim. (He hasn't actually claimed Spore Spreader, but he went along with it so that's good enough for me.) I'd rather not wait for power roles that may or may not be in the game to deal with him when he could be dealt with right now.

If it appears I suspect Zathras more than SHADOWdump, that's only because I'm pretty damn certain about SHADOWdump and I'm trying to work at Zathras. Since I'm trying to get something out of Zathras, I'm going to have to talk more about him, and the level of hostility and suspicion is just going to increase the more he doesn't respond to me.

On the other hand, there's barely anything to talk about with SHADOWdump. It's pretty cut and dry, and he's not really talking and anything he says can't be trusted, so I'm not really expending too much effort trying to get him to squeal. I haven't been ignoring him though; I told him to bandwagon webadict at his own question to see if he would follow through with it, the idea being that he would reveal who his scumbuddies were by who he was and was not willing to lynch. The coward didn't of course, and I asked him why. He ignored me. Whatever.

Does that answer your questions? Probably a bit more verbose reply than necessary, but I seem to be typing up several paragraphs every once in a while in this game anyway.

I suppose that's sufficient. Unvote. A parting question though: Are either Zathras or SHADOW redeemable in your eyes? Or are you totally convinced?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:14:36 am

Zathras: You started off with a random vote, after this you had a pretty good post, you prodded a lurker and asked some questions and didn't really do anything too scummy, really you haven't done the best scumhunting in the thread (probably due to the lurkers) but still low on my scum list, the reason for this is (I think, I'm not the best or most experienced at mafia, so please correct me) you are too preoccupied by data, we can win this game with good ol' fashioned scumhunting, relying on data will just get us picked off day after day.

JanusTwoface: Wanted a policy lynch, went on about that and not much else except for defence, then you just stopped when criptfeind attacked you for it. Then you went on to prod a lurker, great but still just as likely to be scum cleaning his hands. After this you defended yourself somemore, you're attacks seem weak and just gentle jabs to make it look like you're scumhunting. Not so sure about you.

Toaster: Haven't posted much, but everything you have posted has been content, low on the scum list.

Jim Groovester: Scumhunting, nothing much more to say, looking town especially since he hasn't taken the opportunity of not being attacked to sink into the shadows

Org: Wow, very... blunt style of playing the game, people seem to be familiar with it, is that your normal play?

Pandarsenic:  Not enough to get a read on.

Mr.Person: Has only attacked JTF, no good read yet.

webadict: Not enough to get a read on, but if he deserves the fame I hear about then surely he is better than this?

Ottofar: Not enough to get a read on.

SHAD0Wdump: Wow. Not sure what to do yet, I'll have my opinion by the end of the day.

Mysteriousbluepuppet: Not enough to get a read on.

Eduren: Posted once... PREEDIT: seems he has posted since I wrote this

Criptfeind: Attacking, doesn't seem too scummy


I'll write more in a minute.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 05:17:33 am

So when Zathras goes after lurkers he's fixated on data, but when Janus goes after lurkers he's "scum cleaning his hands"?

Duly noted.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:22:33 am

JTF raised my suspicion beforehand, and other peoples, if he was scum he would of needed something to make him look a bit more townish, lurkers would have been a perfect target, if I was scum in that position I would do something similar.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 05:24:19 am

Quote from: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:22:33 am

JTF raised my suspicion beforehand, and other peoples,

Why do you find this important?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:27:48 am

Because that would of been how he knew he needed a backup.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 05:29:41 am

Quote from: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:27:48 am

Because that would of been how he knew he needed a backup.

"a backup" or "to back up"?

I assume English isn't your first language?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:36:45 am

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 05:29:41 am

"a backup" or "to back up"?

Worded it wrong. Maybe this would be better:

Quote from: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:27:48 am

Because that would of been how he knew he needed a way to look like a townie.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 05:29:41 am

I assume English isn't your first language?

No, I just fail at anything that isn't maths or science.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:38:29 am

Gah, nevermind worded it wrong again, too quick to post.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Org on November 12, 2010, 06:25:13 am

Quote from: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:14:36 am

Zathras: You started off with a random vote, after this you had a pretty good post, you prodded a lurker and asked some questions and didn't really do anything too scummy, really you haven't done the best scumhunting in the thread (probably due to the lurkers) but still low on my scum list, the reason for this is (I think, I'm not the best or most experienced at mafia, so please correct me) you are too preoccupied by data, we can win this game with good ol' fashioned scumhunting, relying on data will just get us picked off day after day.

JanusTwoface: Wanted a policy lynch, went on about that and not much else except for defence, then you just stopped when criptfeind attacked you for it. Then you went on to prod a lurker, great but still just as likely to be scum cleaning his hands. After this you defended yourself somemore, you're attacks seem weak and just gentle jabs to make it look like you're scumhunting. Not so sure about you.

Toaster: Haven't posted much, but everything you have posted has been content, low on the scum list.

Jim Groovester: Scumhunting, nothing much more to say, looking town especially since he hasn't taken the opportunity of not being attacked to sink into the shadows

Org: Wow, very... blunt style of playing the game, people seem to be familiar with it, is that your normal play?

Pandarsenic:  Not enough to get a read on.

Mr.Person: Has only attacked JTF, no good read yet.

webadict: Not enough to get a read on, but if he deserves the fame I hear about then surely he is better than this?

Ottofar: Not enough to get a read on.

SHAD0Wdump: Wow. Not sure what to do yet, I'll have my opinion by the end of the day.

Mysteriousbluepuppet: Not enough to get a read on.

Eduren: Posted once... PREEDIT: seems he has posted since I wrote this

Criptfeind: Attacking, doesn't seem too scummy


I'll write more in a minute.

Your description seems very confusing.
You say blunt. How?
And yes, i play like this.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 07:11:48 am

For lack of a better word.

Some examples:
here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702934#msg1702934), here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703172#msg1703172), here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703187#msg1703187), here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703288#msg1703288), here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703390#msg1703390) and here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703419#msg1703419)

And sorry, I'll have to work a lot on the clarity of my posts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Toaster on November 12, 2010, 09:49:38 am

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 12:06:41 am

[Long post snipped]

This better, Toaster?

Somewhat.  You're still not coming up with much that's original, so I can't shake the feeling that you're largely borrowing arguments from other people.  It *could* just be a factor of the large crowd here, but I'm keeping my eye on you, especially starting next day.


MBP:  You said you'd post last night, and didn't.  Got anything today?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mephansteras on November 12, 2010, 10:28:27 am

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: SHAD0Wdump
KaminaSquirtle: Leafsnail, Org, Ottofar
SHAD0Wdump: Criptfeind, JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Pandarsenic, Toaster
Mish: Mysteriousbluepuppet
Toaster: webadict
Zathras: KaminaSquirtle
webadict: Mr.Person, Zathras

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 11:10:30 am

Quote from: Eduren on November 12, 2010, 04:54:50 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 04:17:02 am

Does that answer your questions? Probably a bit more verbose reply than necessary, but I seem to be typing up several paragraphs every once in a while in this game anyway.

I suppose that's sufficient. Unvote. A parting question though: Are either Zathras or SHADOW redeemable in your eyes? Or are you totally convinced?

Hell no for SHADOWdump. You can't deliberately act like scum and expect to get away with it.

Zathras, on the other hand, is not in a situation where there's nothing he can do to change my mind. Once he starts, if he ever starts, doing normal town things like scumhunting and stirring up shit instead of tracking lurkers and endlessly prodding them and otherwise avoiding conflict and scrutiny, I'll probably have to change my vote.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 11:36:20 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 11:10:30 am

Hell no for SHADOWdump. You can't deliberately act like scum and expect to get away with it.

Alright you know what, if people are going to have that sort of attitude, this is not a game I'm going to want to be playing.

I would ask for a replacement, but hell with that, the person wouldn't be in the game for very long because I will be lynched before the night is over.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 11:42:07 am

Don't give me that crap. You knew what you were doing. When you say shit like this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703676#msg1703676) I pretty much have to lynch you.

Protip: Don't do shit like that again.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 11:43:20 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 11:42:07 am

Don't give me that crap. You knew what you were doing. When you say shit like this (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703676#msg1703676) I pretty much have to lynch you.

Protip: Don't do shit like that again.

I won't, because I'm not putting up with your shit either.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:10:13 pm

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 03:02:54 am

You talk about policy lynches way too much man. And this is a role heavy game in particular. You could be frying good town roles with this attitude.
 Now, you could be just honestly too holed up in this crusade-ish playstyle to care about that. But if that is not the case you are making a scum play that can hide your true intention of getting off easy town lynches under this guise.
 I can only see such 'policy lynches' and meta game being harmful to this whole thing, so for the sake of meta, hypocrisy, and hopefully redemption I'm changing my vote Janus.

Stop ruining the game. Yes, I'm kinda ruining the game, but I'll count this as a lesson learned. Meanwhile I think I'll launch a crusade against you.

This is Mafia. If you want to depend solely on power roles, play some other forum game. And same as I said to Org earlier, *everyone* is likely to have a power role thus we don't actually lose more by killing one player or another.

Second, policy lynch?  I stopped pushing Org for that a *long* time ago. The blurb at the bottom of my last post was a PSA, not even a vote on any of the lurkers.

You're scummy, ergo you get lynched.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 03:21:24 am

Hey Janus, did you see a chain? Or the other way around?

What does this mean?

Quote from: Eduren on November 12, 2010, 03:50:51 am

I honestly don't know, its hard for me to form suspicions if I'm not part of the conversation, which is what I plan on doing before the day ends.

You have about 6 hours left. How's that going for you? Busy, I understand. But if you say you're going to post within a given timeframe, you should post within that given timeframe.

Quote from: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:14:36 am

... loads of stuff on everyone ...

Is that in any way ordered?  Because it looks like a lot of content, but not much of it is new (which gets harder to do as the game goes on, I realize) and not much of it actually does anything.

Who do you think is scummiest? Why? And why aren't you voting for them to be lynched? Day ends in 6 hours (ish), this early in the game No Lynch isn't really an option.

Quote from: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:14:36 am

JanusTwoface: Wanted a policy lynch, went on about that and not much else except for defence, then you just stopped when criptfeind attacked you for it. Then you went on to prod a lurker, great but still just as likely to be scum cleaning his hands. After this you defended yourself somemore, you're attacks seem weak and just gentle jabs to make it look like you're scumhunting. Not so sure about you.

Go back and reread why I did the first. For the second, there are far too many lurkers who get away with it on this board, thus the PSA a bit ago also. For the last, I think you're wrong. I've gone into with others before and never seem able to convince them. :-\

Quote from: Org on November 12, 2010, 06:25:13 am

Your description seems very confusing.
You say blunt. How?
And yes, i play like this.

Oh hey, you are around. Remember two days ago (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706050#msg1706050) where you said 'Im [sic] still reading'. And this is all you come up with? I don't think you're actually still reading. I think you're lurking.

Quote from: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 11:36:20 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 11:10:30 am

Hell no for SHADOWdump. You can't deliberately act like scum and expect to get away with it.

Alright you know what, if people are going to have that sort of attitude, this is not a game I'm going to want to be playing.

Do you really want to play a game of mafia where people can act like scum and get away with it?

Same analogy as earlier, you have every right to play as you think is fun, but if other people aren't having fun we're going to react. If your 'fun' is scummy (hint: it is), you're going to get lynched. Simple as that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 02:54:04 pm

First, apologies for lack of posting. I know it's ironic, since I always give lurkers endless shit, but sometimes real life does interfere. I'm catching up and will post replies, suspicions, and a brand new LurkerTracker report shortly.

I don't know how I feel about end of day being this afternoon. On the one hand, I asked for an extension because I was going to be busy, but it's 24 hrs later and I've not done much yet; on the other hand, a Shadowdump lynch seems inevitable and it would be unfair to drag it out; on the gripping hand, extending all the way to Monday may either continue or kill the great activity we have so far, so I'm undecided. If people ask for it, I'll probably support it, but I won't push for it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Eduren on November 12, 2010, 03:18:29 pm

Extension.

I'm in class right now but I should be able to post before deadline either way.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 03:44:11 pm

Object to extension

I don't think anything would come up over the weekend that will change the lynch.  We can discuss anything up until then and tomorrow regarding tomorrow's lynch.  We'll have more information then as well.

If anyone has a strong reason to extend, I'll listen. But I doubt it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 03:48:34 pm

I'll second that objection.

Let's just get the game moving. All the lurkers who are under scrutiny can have their chance during Day 2.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Warning: wall of text ahead.


Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Right, but I keep jumping between mafia, another game, and a project that I really need to finish to pass a class. Which cuts out a lot of my time I normally spend doing this. [...] *sigh* Later, okay?

I don't buy this. Yes, I can buy that you're busy; I don't buy that whatever limited time you've been able to dedicate to the game has been wasted with useless quips about your +5 sword and basically talking about the weather. This Person quote is correct:

Quote from: Mr.Person

I'd like to point out here that Webadict has only posted about himself. Usually by now Webadict would be grilling some poor target to death, yet here he's not even asking any questions. It's not like there's a lack of targets, either.

But there have been some exceptions, like:

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Nah, I just want everyone to unvote SHAD0Wdump. A Zoologist or Vigilante will take care of him, if we have either one of those roles.

This. That sums up my misgivings about a Shadowdump lynch. Sure, he's scummy, but too noobscum for us to be certain, and would waste our lynch in someone that would probably not be alive the next day anyway. But it's probably too late to change that now.

Still, Wuba is not asking questions, which to me reads anathema to Town Wuba, busy or not.


MBP:

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 11, 2010, 09:05:59 am

got swamped by work, i'm still there and ill have more time to post tonight and tommorow. Ill do a big one tonight.

And yet, you didn't. That's majorly scummy. If we add your lurking on top of your usual mischievous history, I'm tempted to go after you, MysteriousBluePuppet.


Ottofar:

Quote from: Ottofar on November 11, 2010, 01:50:27 pm

Yeah, I've been lurking because there were certain technical difficulties. Having electricity go on and off pretty randomly, that is.

Dude, I know nature's a bitch on your neck of the woods, but hey, batteries! At least would let you type up meaningful posts, save them, and then send them out all at once in the few minutes of electricity you get per day. You've used this excuse game after game after game; you've been town in some of them, so I don't call this a meta scumtell, but still, man, you can do better.  Your posts so far have been minimalist, repetitive, and unoriginal. Do better or fall to the lurker-axe.


Mr. Person:

Quote from: Mr. Person

Lurkers? Really? That's it? There's nothing else odd going one? KaminaSquirtle hasn't done anything scummy? Janus's Org-policy-lynch didn't ring any warning bells from you? Not even any questions for anyone? I know what attacking lurkers is, it's a last-ditch effort to look useful when you're not actually doing anything.

This was not addressed to me, but I'll field it: Yes, lurkers. Attacking lurkers is not a last ditch anything. It's an important part of maintaining activity, getting a read on everybody, reminding town that lurking hurts town, and denying scum lurking as a strategy. It is useful and valuable. But yes, you must ask questions of them (which Wuba didn't, therefore scummy) for it to work.


Jim:

Quote from: jim

I think you're scum, Zathras. You're not stirring any shit up and it's bugging me. [...] Also, yeah, Zathras is totally scum. Every other game I've seen him he's practically jumping all oever everybody for anything and in this game he's had all day to respond to my accusation and he can't be bothered? Evasive dude is scum.

(And others along these lines). I've been busy, dude, I'm catching up. But even what I had said up to that point is not as useless as you let on, is it? I've stirred shit up when I see it stir-worthy, and as I said earlier, I see lurker stirring as a particularly important part of that in a large game. It was their cloaking under the traffic that motivated me to find a way to light them up.


Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:42:18 pm

Your current actions aren't any better than your past ones, though.  That's the thing.

(That was about Kamina). I disagree, he did drop several tells earlier, but has mended his ways and made a seemingly honest effort to hunt. Your fixation on him with circumstancial/flimsy evidence (on his current behaviour, the earlier was justified) sounds hollow to me and a screen to avoid doing something else. On top of this:

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 04:35:07 pm

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Leafsnail, Org, Ottofar, SHAD0Wdump

Janus pointed this out earlier; I noticed it but couldn't post at the time. I find this very telling. A wagon on Kamina seems unwarranted, and all that vote him are guilty of one or another town-unfriendly infraction. It seems to much like scum trying to get rid of a useful player. After this was pointed out, Shadow unvoted him, which in my opinion only adds to the case against him.


Mish:

Quote from: Mish on November 12, 2010, 05:14:36 am

Zathras: You started off with a random vote, after this you had a pretty good post, you prodded a lurker and asked some questions and didn't really do anything too scummy, really you haven't done the best scumhunting in the thread (probably due to the lurkers) but still low on my scum list, the reason for this is (I think, I'm not the best or most experienced at mafia, so please correct me) you are too preoccupied by data, we can win this game with good ol' fashioned scumhunting, relying on data will just get us picked off day after day.

First, as others said, thank you for jumping in and making an honest effort to catch up. This is a complex game, but I have high hopes for you. About your point, at the end of the day, data is all we have. Some data are hard and trustworthy, other are circumstantial or gut-induced, but it's all data, and it all adds in some way to building a case on people. One needs to get them talking so we can learn to read them. Scumhunting and data are not opposite, one is a source for the other.

That said, I haven't formed an opinion on you yet, beyond what I said earlier: honest effort, keep it up.



As for the others, Org, Eduren and Mr.Person I don't have a strong opinion on yet; Kamina was scummy, but got better, I'd chalk it up to inexperience, but I'm unsure (he may be getting good advice on scumchat, I don't know); Criptfeind & MBP are lurking way too much, the only ones that seems still using it as scum strategy; Jim & Janus seem townie enough, but we'll see how things progress. Everyone else, either they didn't warrant a reply or I forgot them, but may remember when the lurking report goes up.

My vote remains on webadict, for the reasons at the top of this post; I'm OK with a Shadowdump lynch if that's what people want, but it still feels like a waste. I understand why people don't want to extend, and I'm OK with that too.

My top picks: Webadict, Criptfeind, Leafsnail, Shadowdump, MBP;
My medium-scummy picks: Org, Toaster, Pandar, Ottofar.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 05:16:07 pm

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Jim Groovester has posted 35 times; the last on: 2010/11/12 15:48, 0 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702644#msg1702644)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702699#msg1702699)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703255#msg1703255)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703273#msg1703273)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703313#msg1703313)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703336#msg1703336)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703361#msg1703361)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703412#msg1703412)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703480#msg1703480)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703538#msg1703538)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703600#msg1703600)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703630#msg1703630)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703672#msg1703672)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703713#msg1703713)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703779#msg1703779)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704168#msg1704168)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704181#msg1704181)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704196#msg1704196)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704258#msg1704258)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704278#msg1704278)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704805#msg1704805)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705563#msg1705563)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705965#msg1705965)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706303#msg1706303)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706326#msg1706326)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706355#msg1706355)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706630#msg1706630)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708285#msg1708285)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709480#msg1709480)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709707#msg1709707)[31] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709716#msg1709716)[32] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709734#msg1709734)[33] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710158#msg1710158)[34] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710238#msg1710238)[35] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710886#msg1710886)
KaminaSquirtle has posted 40 times; the last on: 2010/11/12 00:06, 15 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702627#msg1702627)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702837#msg1702837)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702849#msg1702849)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702962#msg1702962)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703073#msg1703073)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703087#msg1703087)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703128#msg1703128)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703160#msg1703160)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703209#msg1703209)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703289#msg1703289)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703342#msg1703342)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703351#msg1703351)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703375#msg1703375)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703442#msg1703442)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703511#msg1703511)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703539#msg1703539)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703612#msg1703612)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703862#msg1703862)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703877#msg1703877)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703906#msg1703906)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704085#msg1704085)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704497#msg1704497)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704674#msg1704674)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704723#msg1704723)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704970#msg1704970)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706188#msg1706188)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706236#msg1706236)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706319#msg1706319)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706331#msg1706331)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706390#msg1706390)[31] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706476#msg1706476)[32] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706795#msg1706795)[33] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707630#msg1707630)[34] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707755#msg1707755)[35] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707764#msg1707764)[36] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708606#msg1708606)[37] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708708#msg1708708)[38] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708806#msg1708806)[39] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709043#msg1709043)[40] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709313#msg1709313)
Leafsnail has posted 6 times; the last on: 2010/11/11 20:42, 19 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702642#msg1702642)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702897#msg1702897)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705211#msg1705211)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708509#msg1708509)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708663#msg1708663)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708777#msg1708777)
Mephansteras has posted 13 times; the last on: 2010/11/12 10:28, 5 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702622#msg1702622)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702658#msg1702658)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703320#msg1703320)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703448#msg1703448)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704923#msg1704923)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706324#msg1706324)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706337#msg1706337)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707076#msg1707076)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707846#msg1707846)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708012#msg1708012)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708900#msg1708900)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709156#msg1709156)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710085#msg1710085)
Mish has posted 9 times; the last on: 2010/11/12 07:11, 8 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706758#msg1706758)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708849#msg1708849)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709381#msg1709381)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709755#msg1709755)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709767#msg1709767)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709779#msg1709779)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709790#msg1709790)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709794#msg1709794)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709862#msg1709862)
Mr.Person has posted 8 times; the last on: 2010/11/11 15:39, 24 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703216#msg1703216)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704200#msg1704200)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705426#msg1705426)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705680#msg1705680)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706575#msg1706575)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706659#msg1706659)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707759#msg1707759)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707835#msg1707835)
Mysteriousbluepuppet has posted 5 times; the last on: 2010/11/11 09:05, 30 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703062#msg1703062)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703839#msg1703839)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703851#msg1703851)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703853#msg1703853)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706905#msg1706905)
Org has posted 16 times; the last on: 2010/11/12 06:25, 9 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702860#msg1702860)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702934#msg1702934)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703172#msg1703172)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703187#msg1703187)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703288#msg1703288)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703390#msg1703390)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703419#msg1703419)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703458#msg1703458)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703486#msg1703486)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703492#msg1703492)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703518#msg1703518)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703592#msg1703592)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706000#msg1706000)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706023#msg1706023)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706050#msg1706050)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709819#msg1709819)
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[1] Thanks to my dumb move the last time, ToonyMan will now appear in all reports.  8-/
[2] Solifuge has been replaced by Mish, but the list will continue to list them separately.
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Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: webadict on November 12, 2010, 05:21:35 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Right, but I keep jumping between mafia, another game, and a project that I really need to finish to pass a class. Which cuts out a lot of my time I normally spend doing this. [...] *sigh* Later, okay?

I don't buy this. Yes, I can buy that you're busy; I don't buy that whatever limited time you've been able to dedicate to the game has been wasted with useless quips about your +5 sword and basically talking about the weather. This Person quote is correct:

Quote from: Mr.Person

I'd like to point out here that Webadict has only posted about himself. Usually by now Webadict would be grilling some poor target to death, yet here he's not even asking any questions. It's not like there's a lack of targets, either.

But there have been some exceptions, like:

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Nah, I just want everyone to unvote SHAD0Wdump. A Zoologist or Vigilante will take care of him, if we have either one of those roles.

This. That sums up my misgivings about a Shadowdump lynch. Sure, he's scummy, but too noobscum for us to be certain, and would waste our lynch in someone that would probably not be alive the next day anyway. But it's probably too late to change that now.

Still, Wuba is not asking questions, which to me reads anathema to Town Wuba, busy or not.

...

My vote remains on webadict, for the reasons at the top of this post; I'm OK with a Shadowdump lynch if that's what people want, but it still feels like a waste. I understand why people don't want to extend, and I'm OK with that too.

My top picks: Webadict, Criptfeind, Leafsnail, Shadowdump, MBP;
My medium-scummy picks: Org, Toaster, Pandar, Ottofar.

... What?

One of those quotes isn't mine. It was from a botched quote from Mr.Person.

Look, I really don't care what you think is acceptable to contribute and what isn't. The only thing I care about is getting a passing grade. If you want to lynch me for that, go ahead. If you want to wait a couple of days, then do that.

But, there's no way for me to defend against your argument. I AM busy. I'm NOT contributing enough. So, what am I supposed to do? Would you rather I gave up on school for a game where I'll probably be killed in tonight anyhow? Stop and think for a second.

What do I have to gain from telling you I'll be back after Tuesday and lurking until then? Nothing. It doesn't help me. It doesn't help the Town. Nothing. Big surprise, right? But, at least give me something to fight against if you plan to vote me. Mr.Person certainly is. You're just copying his argument.

So, cry all you want about me being busy, but why don't you make some progress scumhunting while I'm not here, so you can be satisfied lynching me because of what little evidence you gather on your own and my ego, which is probably the main reason you're voting me anyhow.

See ya on Tuesday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 12, 2010, 05:42:18 pm

Quote from: Zathras

Lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers!

Lurkers lurkers lurkers!

Lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers!

Lurkers!

Lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers!

Lol sorry, Jim. I've only been busy lurking because I've been busy.

This is all I'm hearing from you.

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Jim:

Quote from: jim

I think you're scum, Zathras. You're not stirring any shit up and it's bugging me. [...] Also, yeah, Zathras is totally scum. Every other game I've seen him he's practically jumping all oever everybody for anything and in this game he's had all day to respond to my accusation and he can't be bothered? Evasive dude is scum.

(And others along these lines). I've been busy, dude, I'm catching up. But even what I had said up to that point is not as useless as you let on, is it? I've stirred shit up when I see it stir-worthy, and as I said earlier, I see lurker stirring as a particularly important part of that in a large game. It was their cloaking under the traffic that motivated me to find a way to light them up.

All I know is you suspect webadict for apparently not being webadict (he looks like webadict to me, just busy), and you really suspect 'dem lurkers. So yes, just as useless as I let on.

If I had to list the reasons I thought you were town I wouldn't know what to say. You're trying to prod lurkers into activity but that doesn't really mean anything, and neither does the Lurkertracker. The only person you're giving a hard time is webadict, but I think your reasons for that are crap, and I think you have an ulterior motive. So I'm really hard pressed to say you're actively interested in finding scum.

There's also this:

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Mr. Person:

Quote from: Mr. Person

Lurkers? Really? That's it? There's nothing else odd going one? KaminaSquirtle hasn't done anything scummy? Janus's Org-policy-lynch didn't ring any warning bells from you? Not even any questions for anyone? I know what attacking lurkers is, it's a last-ditch effort to look useful when you're not actually doing anything.

This was not addressed to me, but I'll field it: Yes, lurkers. Attacking lurkers is not a last ditch anything. It's an important part of maintaining activity, getting a read on everybody, reminding town that lurking hurts town, and denying scum lurking as a strategy. It is useful and valuable. But yes, you must ask questions of them (which Wuba didn't, therefore scummy) for it to work.

Why'd you respond to this? You look really concerned about your perception to the everybody else if you're going out of your way to justify what you've been doing the whole game.

Scummy.

So when are you going to convince me that you're not scum with bold town action instead of words? I'm not really going to think otherwise without that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 05:55:14 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 12, 2010, 05:21:35 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 11, 2010, 08:12:22 am

Right, but I keep jumping between mafia, another game, and a project that I really need to finish to pass a class. Which cuts out a lot of my time I normally spend doing this. [...] *sigh* Later, okay?

I don't buy this. Yes, I can buy that you're busy; I don't buy that whatever limited time you've been able to dedicate to the game has been wasted with useless quips about your +5 sword and basically talking about the weather.[...] Still, Wuba is not asking questions, which to me reads anathema to Town Wuba, busy or not.

... What? One of those quotes isn't mine. It was from a botched quote from Mr.Person.

Sorry about that, your post did have botched quotes and I guess I figured them out wrong. But see below.

Quote from: wuba

So, what am I supposed to do? Would you rather I gave up on school for a game where I'll probably be killed in tonight anyhow? [...] so you can be satisfied lynching me because of what little evidence you gather on your own and my ego, which is probably the main reason you're voting me anyhow.

Nah, you probably won't hang today, thanks to people's fixation with Shadowdump. I still think hanging you is a better idea, but it'll be as the majority decides. As for why I'm voting you, it's not because you've been busy, or because of your ego, but because you haven't been asking anybody questions. What little I know of your style, you basically do only two things when town: a) ask questions, relentlessly; and b) give orders, telling people what to do and how to do it (with good reason, most of the time).

You haven't been doing either this game. Yes, you're busy, but you've not used what little time you have to play your Town game, which makes you scum in my eyes. It's not a question of volume, but of content and intent.

I don't have specific questions for you at the moment, and since the day is about to end it probably wouldn't help, plus you're busy anyway. If you want to not seem scum in my eyes, play your Town game as usual (in intent, if not in volume); if you can only do that starting Tuesday, then I'll be voting you until Tuesday (unless a scummier target comes along).

Fair?


PPE: Jim, see above for more on my Wuba vote. As for why I responded to the Person question, mostly because I feel strongly on the subject, and didn't like his "last ditch" implication. As to me doing "bold town action", I'm afraid the end of day is coming too soon for them to have any effect, but we'll see what the next couple of hours will bring.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 06:05:16 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:42:18 pm

Your current actions aren't any better than your past ones, though.  That's the thing.

(That was about Kamina). I disagree, he did drop several tells earlier, but has mended his ways and made a seemingly honest effort to hunt. Your fixation on him with circumstancial/flimsy evidence (on his current behaviour, the earlier was justified) sounds hollow to me and a screen to avoid doing something else. On top of this:

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 11, 2010, 04:35:07 pm

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Leafsnail, Org, Ottofar, SHAD0Wdump

Janus pointed this out earlier; I noticed it but couldn't post at the time. I find this very telling. A wagon on Kamina seems unwarranted, and all that vote him are guilty of one or another town-unfriendly infraction. It seems to much like scum trying to get rid of a useful player. After this was pointed out, Shadow unvoted him, which in my opinion only adds to the case against him.

It almost feels like you're tying to buddy me here.  You reiterate points made in the past by others, but to what end?  What do you intend to get out of it, Zathras?

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

My vote remains on webadict, for the reasons at the top of this post; I'm OK with a Shadowdump lynch if that's what people want, but it still feels like a waste. I understand why people don't want to extend, and I'm OK with that too.

You seem to be OK with a lot of things, but not feel strongly about anything but lurkers and wuba.  Why so neutral about most things?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 06:13:14 pm

Zathras, do you really feel going nuts on lurkers all the time forever helps?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 06:24:09 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 06:05:16 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:42:18 pm

Your current actions aren't any better than your past ones, though.  That's the thing.

(That was about Kamina). I disagree, he did drop several tells earlier, but has mended his ways and made a seemingly honest effort to hunt. Your fixation on him with circumstancial/flimsy evidence (on his current behaviour, the earlier was justified) sounds hollow to me and a screen to avoid doing something else.

It almost feels like you're tying to buddy me here.  You reiterate points made in the past by others, but to what end?  What do you intend to get out of it, Zathras?

Not buddying: assessing. Your early game was scummy, and you were rightfully called for it. You later posted useful hunting, which redeemed some past misdeed in my eyes, but I find Leafsnail's insistence on you to be insufficiently justified, and therefore scummy (when added to his other behaviour). I explicitly don't buddy you or call you town; you're inexperienced, so I cut you some slack for that on your earlier behaviour, but your getting better could be getting better as town, or getting better as scum acting town. The second would be less improbable if you're getting good advice via scumchat, so you're still suspect in my eyes, but not as far up the list as the half-dozen others I point out.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 06:05:16 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

My vote remains on webadict, for the reasons at the top of this post; I'm OK with a Shadowdump lynch if that's what people want, but it still feels like a waste. I understand why people don't want to extend, and I'm OK with that too.

You seem to be OK with a lot of things, but not feel strongly about anything but lurkers and wuba.  Why so neutral about most things?

Not "a lot of things". Two things: I'm OK with lynching Shadow because he's scummy enough to have earned it, I just think that we're letting stronger targets go by focusing on the low-hanging fruit. I'm also OK with not extending, as it would be better if night happens over the weekend rather than low-traffic discussion for three days, then locking for a day or two for night. Faster games are funner games, in my opinion. Strong opinions on other matters? Mostly because I've been busy, so I've only been able to focus on a couple, and in larger games one tends to grab onto a couple of threads and pull strongly on them, rather than spread oneself too thin. That said, I have scum suspicions on Toaster and Pandar, mostly due to their laying-low game so far, but I've been unable to dig deeper as of yet.


PPE: Pandar, how auspicious of you to show up as I'm thinking of you. To answer your question: yes, I do. I think lurking kills games and hurts town, so I feel justified. We've had this discussion elsewhere, so you should know my feelings on it, yes? So why do you ask? Do you think I am misguided and should change my opinion, or are you just looking for a non-threatening non-Pandar topic of conversation to not seem lurky yet avoiding actual scumhunting?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 12, 2010, 06:32:31 pm

If somehow I survive, get a replacement ASAP.

I'm done with this game of constant bitching.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Leafsnail on November 12, 2010, 07:23:32 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 12:06:41 am

This better, Toaster?

For that line alone, no.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:11:04 am

More seriously, you're wrong. The commentary on Webadict's playstyle points towards him being scummy or busy (right now, probably the latter; you're correct that it's not stated explicitly).

This actually made me laugh out loud.  You won't even make an accusation when you're trying to deny that you aren't making any accusation.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:11:04 am

The comments back to Mr.Person are calling anyone scum, but are directly pertinent to SHAD0Wdump's impending lynch.  The point on Ottofar was for more than lurking, what little he has is copying Org of all people.

And yet you made no accusation with either of these.  You don't particularly think SHADOWdump is scum - it's just a policylynch.  And yeah, I aknowledged that you made a tiny little point about Ottofar that everyone will forget and which you will never talk about again.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:11:04 am

And that wasn't my vote on SHAD0Wdump. I was voting him long before that. That was a continuation of the same vote in contrast to the blue. So that's not even a good point. And because he's scummy. If it's not a policy to lynch people that are being scummy, you and I are playing vastly different games.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 11, 2010, 04:28:14 pm

SHAD0Wdump, you have a chance to prove yourself useful. If you have anything that would make it more costly than helpful to lynch us, now would be a good time to share it. Or even to delay your lynch until tomorrow. With all the crap you've been spewing, it is going to have to be awesome.

This is NOT the vote of someone voting someone for being scum.  This is most certainly a policylynch.

If you thought he were scum, you woudn't be asking him to help town, or offering to delay his lynch.  So you've now added "contradictory thinking" to your list of scumtells.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:11:04 am

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 11, 2010, 07:45:42 pm

So... you're admitting you did scummy things that make you scum, and are making no attempts to deny them.  Nor are you refuting any of my points.

Even if you think you are being scummy, calling yourself out on it is never helpful... :-\

Misattributed.  And did you mean to post this in the scumchat or something?  It makes no sense.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:11:04 am

Or you could attack no one with any real weight. I'm sure that'll work...

Yeah, I could.  But that's not how I go.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 12, 2010, 02:11:04 am

This bothers me. Kamina is being voted by Org (With his reputation for being useless. He was doing better for a bit, but not so much anymore).  Ottofar (With one post which added just copied Org for crying out loud). SHAD0Wdump (scumpie a la mode, and unapologetic about it). Leafsnail (Probably the best player of the bunch, which is scary).

Doesn't really say anything.  The ability of a player is independant from their chance of being scum.

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 06:24:09 pm

Not buddying: assessing. Your early game was scummy, and you were rightfully called for it. You later posted useful hunting, which redeemed some past misdeed in my eyes, but I find Leafsnail's insistence on you to be insufficiently justified, and therefore scummy (when added to his other behaviour). I explicitly don't buddy you or call you town; you're inexperienced, so I cut you some slack for that on your earlier behaviour, but your getting better could be getting better as town, or getting better as scum acting town. The second would be less improbable if you're getting good advice via scumchat, so you're still suspect in my eyes, but not as far up the list as the half-dozen others I point out.

"Waffle waffle waffle waffle don't like attack waffle waffle waffle waffle passivity waffle waffle waffle refusal to commit".

Saying things like "Will this do?" and contorting in order to win favour from other players is "mending your ways"?  Wow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Org on November 12, 2010, 07:51:50 pm

Zath.
Why am I on your scum list, even if only medium?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 07:58:01 pm

Quote from: Org on November 12, 2010, 07:51:50 pm

Zath. Why am I on your scum list, even if only medium?

Mostly because I can't read you, so I think you scummy as default unless I have reasons to think otherwise. You have been more helpful than usual, even posting paragraphs at a time, which is great, but it adds to my confusion, as you're not being usual Org (neither usual Town Org nor usual Scum Org).

...so I guess you're on my list because you confuse me. Not precisely an overwhelming case, but that's why you're on the "medium" section, and not the "top picks" section. But regardless of alignment, I like this Org better than what I've seen in other games.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 08:08:54 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 06:24:09 pm

PPE: Pandar, how auspicious of you to show up as I'm thinking of you. To answer your question: yes, I do. I think lurking kills games and hurts town, so I feel justified. We've had this discussion elsewhere, so you should know my feelings on it, yes? So why do you ask? Do you think I am misguided and should change my opinion, or are you just looking for a non-threatening non-Pandar topic of conversation to not seem lurky yet avoiding actual scumhunting?

Nope, just wanted to see your answer. I find it satisfactory. But now, a different question:
Do you think you'll catch scum lurking? Are you attempting to galvanize lurky town into action? Some combination thereof? Something else entirely?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 08:18:25 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 12, 2010, 08:08:54 pm

Nope, just wanted to see your answer. I find it satisfactory. But now, a different question:
Do you think you'll catch scum lurking? Are you attempting to galvanize lurky town into action? Some combination thereof? Something else entirely?

Galvanise lurking town into action is right; if they do, then it makes catching scum lurking easier. Those are not two goals, are two sides of the same coin. But I also don't want the mistaken impression that my every thought is about lurkers to be perpetuated; it will help better catch scum like MBP, sure, but I'm also interested in your and Toaster's not-lurky-but-still-untownish play, Wuba for reasons I've given, and I'm unconvinced about Leafsnail.

But the day is over; it'll have to wait.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Org on November 12, 2010, 08:21:34 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 07:58:01 pm

Quote from: Org on November 12, 2010, 07:51:50 pm

Zath. Why am I on your scum list, even if only medium?

Mostly because I can't read you, so I think you scummy as default unless I have reasons to think otherwise. You have been more helpful than usual, even posting paragraphs at a time, which is great, but it adds to my confusion, as you're not being usual Org (neither usual Town Org nor usual Scum Org).

...so I guess you're on my list because you confuse me. Not precisely an overwhelming case, but that's why you're on the "medium" section, and not the "top picks" section. But regardless of alignment, I like this Org better than what I've seen in other games.

Lame reason is lame.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 09:55:33 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 12, 2010, 07:23:32 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 12:06:41 am

This better, Toaster?

For that line alone, no.

O really?
Asking a more experienced player what he thought of my scumhunt so far makes my entire argument invalid?  Pleasing Toaster didn't even factor into my decision to do better scumhunting.  What did is that I want to actually y'know, contribute.
Why wouldn't I throw that in?  I did better, and might as well answer a comment aimed at me.
Maybe I should just ignore it every time someone makes a comment about me, and never mention it even though it is relevant to what I just posted.
Yeah.  That would definitely be the best way to go. ::)

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 06:24:09 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 06:05:16 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 11, 2010, 08:42:18 pm

Your current actions aren't any better than your past ones, though.  That's the thing.

(That was about Kamina). I disagree, he did drop several tells earlier, but has mended his ways and made a seemingly honest effort to hunt. Your fixation on him with circumstancial/flimsy evidence (on his current behaviour, the earlier was justified) sounds hollow to me and a screen to avoid doing something else.

It almost feels like you're tying to buddy me here.  You reiterate points made in the past by others, but to what end?  What do you intend to get out of it, Zathras?

Not buddying: assessing. Your early game was scummy, and you were rightfully called for it. You later posted useful hunting, which redeemed some past misdeed in my eyes, but I find Leafsnail's insistence on you to be insufficiently justified, and therefore scummy (when added to his other behaviour). I explicitly don't buddy you or call you town; you're inexperienced, so I cut you some slack for that on your earlier behaviour, but your getting better could be getting better as town, or getting better as scum acting town. The second would be less improbable if you're getting good advice via scumchat, so you're still suspect in my eyes, but not as far up the list as the half-dozen others I point out.

Really?  I guess I can't complain about being low on your list, but I don't like how everything you post is so... how can put it?  It's like you're trying to keep everyone happy or something.  And that seems like you're more interested in that than scumhunting.

Actually, I think you're going for lurkers not only because they're easy and unsuspicious to go for, but also because attacking them doesn't put you in the spotlight, or make you controversial.  It's something everyone can agree on, lynching lurkers.

It's like you're lurkhunting, not scumhunting.

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 06:24:09 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 06:05:16 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 12, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

My vote remains on webadict, for the reasons at the top of this post; I'm OK with a Shadowdump lynch if that's what people want, but it still feels like a waste. I understand why people don't want to extend, and I'm OK with that too.

You seem to be OK with a lot of things, but not feel strongly about anything but lurkers and wuba.  Why so neutral about most things?

Not "a lot of things". Two things: I'm OK with lynching Shadow because he's scummy enough to have earned it, I just think that we're letting stronger targets go by focusing on the low-hanging fruit. I'm also OK with not extending, as it would be better if night happens over the weekend rather than low-traffic discussion for three days, then locking for a day or two for night. Faster games are funner games, in my opinion. Strong opinions on other matters? Mostly because I've been busy, so I've only been able to focus on a couple, and in larger games one tends to grab onto a couple of threads and pull strongly on them, rather than spread oneself too thin. That said, I have scum suspicions on Toaster and Pandar, mostly due to their laying-low game so far, but I've been unable to dig deeper as of yet.

I would like to see these suspicions followed up by pressure.  Saying you're going to do something is great and all, but I'm not going to account for it until you actually do it.  And I haven't seen much scumhunting from you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mish on November 12, 2010, 11:42:49 pm

I think Shadow is the scummiest, and wouldn't be surprised if he flipped either SS or Scum, but if he is SS he is smart in a way (getting himself lynched) but he would be taking way too much town scumhunting time, leaving scum at a higher chance of victory, as an SS I would play like a townie until town victory seems certain, then get myself lynched.

Personally I think we should leave shadow for the day and gamble slightly on there being a xenozoologist.

Now for my vote I have to say Mysteriousbluepuppet, where was your promised big post?

And JTF: About your reason, I don't buy it, you wanted to start conversation? Well if you are town doing that then you will of attracted attention to attacking a townie, instead of scum, I'm watching you but there are far scummier people to attack first.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Found
Post by: Mephansteras on November 13, 2010, 01:12:39 am

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: SHAD0Wdump
KaminaSquirtle: Leafsnail, Org, Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Mish
SHAD0Wdump: Criptfeind, JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Pandarsenic, Toaster
Mish: Mysteriousbluepuppet
Toaster: webadict
Zathras: KaminaSquirtle
webadict: Mr.Person, Zathras


Looking at the results of the Whiteboard Janustwo face picks up the old shotgun lying on the center table.

"Sorry, Shadow, time's up."

SHAD0Wdump starts cursing, and his last words are "I hope you..." before the shotgun blast silences him forever.

You all look down at the body. You'd expect...something to happen. But, no, it just lies there bleeding all over the place.

You then decide to go check out his house. Once inside you find some books on the occult and ways to improve psychic powers. Based on some notebooks he had on his desk, it seems he was a Telepath, able to read people's minds.

Huh. Guess he wasn't too good at it yet.

In any case, you all head off to your homes. Hopefully you'll all survive the night.

---

Night 1 has fallen. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Monday.

Send in your actions!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Night 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 16, 2010, 08:55:54 pm

Sorry for the delay, guys. Got absolutely *swamped* at work the past few days and haven't had the time and energy to do the write-ups.

So I've asked Jokerman to do it. Hopefully he'll get it done soon. If not, I'll see if I can't get it done sometime tonight or tomorrow morning.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Night 1
Post by: Mephansteras on November 17, 2010, 06:07:23 pm

You all leave your homes and gather in the town square, anxious for each other’s safety and curious as to what happened in the night. As you all arrive, however, you realize that some of your number have not joined you: Criptfeind and Org are absent.

The first stop is Criptfeind’s house. The door is standing slightly ajar, which is both curious and ominous. When the door is fully opened, the grisly scene of a murder greets your eyes: Criptfeind lays on his face, a hole blasted in the back of his skull. The charred edges of the wound have long since stopped giving off blood, as it is all over the floor.

You step past his corpse and explore his house. Inside you find the various books and materials necessary for Criptfeind’s apparent trade as a Medium. Looks like he’ll be talking to the dead from their side now.

Next you head to Org’s home, a few minutes away. All seems fine from outside, but a quick walk around shows that the back window has been broken into. Alarm building, you break down Org’s door to find his body slumped against a wall, body and wall both riddled with large bullet holes. The blood is very fresh here, and his body is almost still warm. This was a very recent kill, a thought that instills a lot of fear and distrust in your heart.

A quick glance around proves that Org was also a Medium. At least Criptfeind won’t be lonely.

You have lost two members of your town, both human. Your fear grows; who do you trust now?

---

Day 2 has started. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Friday

Thanks to Jokerman for doing our flavor write-ups for the night.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 17, 2010, 06:09:24 pm

Weelllll at least we don't have to worry about Medium fakeclaims. That counts for something.

I don't even know what to say but "What the fuck Shad0wdump," because he apparently did his best to ruin Day 1. -.-

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:11:45 pm

So, Exterminator killed Criptfeind, Org got Assassin Bot'd, Dopps got blocked?

I think that's how it went down.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: SHAD0Wdump on November 17, 2010, 06:15:19 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 17, 2010, 06:09:24 pm

I don't even know what to say but "What the fuck Shad0wdump," because he apparently did his best to ruin Day 1. -.-

You could say I was a bit... Mental...

But really, this game sucks. At least for me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:16:44 pm

Bullets are vigs, aren't they?  Anyway, now we're done with our policy lynch, can we lynch obvscum JanusTwoFace or Kaminasquirtle today?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:18:15 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:16:44 pm

Bullets are vigs, aren't they?  Anyway, now we're done with our policy lynch, can we lynch obvscum JanusTwoFace or Kaminasquirtle today?

Normally, but the body's very fresh, and still warm, like it was a morningkill. The only thing that does that right now is the Assassin Bot. Unless I'm missing something.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Criptfeind on November 17, 2010, 06:26:01 pm

Fuuuu really?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:28:26 pm

I suppose you could say that the death rate for a Medium is rather High :P

Now that I've got that pun out of the way I'll say that

Toaster
Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet
Eduren

are probably our scum team.

All of these player have been lackluster in their game, either by lurking, active or not, and contributing minuscule amounts.

As such, Ottofar, what are you so busy doing that you can't be here to play?

MBP, who needs a good lynching in your professional opinion?

Toaster, why didn't you try harder to make me unvote you yesterday? Weren't you even a little upset?

Eduren, what have you contributed to this game?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:29:41 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:18:15 pm

Normally, but the body's very fresh, and still warm, like it was a morningkill. The only thing that does that right now is the Assassin Bot. Unless I'm missing something.

Derp.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:34:59 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:29:41 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:18:15 pm

Normally, but the body's very fresh, and still warm, like it was a morningkill. The only thing that does that right now is the Assassin Bot. Unless I'm missing something.

Derp.

I'd say it's too EARLY to say that.

Also, who started this herp derp nonsense? It's rather annoying, and I'd really prefer it stopped.

What say you Leafy? Besides the derp?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:39:15 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:34:59 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:29:41 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:18:15 pm

Normally, but the body's very fresh, and still warm, like it was a morningkill. The only thing that does that right now is the Assassin Bot. Unless I'm missing something.

Derp.

I'd say it's too EARLY to say that.

Badumtish.

Mr.Person, why were you and Zathras trying to get webadict lynched for stupid meta shit yesterday? And why were you focusing your lurker hunting efforts on webadict when there's a rogue's gallery of abhorrent lurkers this game who had even less excuse than webadict?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:44:09 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:34:59 pm

Also, who started this herp derp nonsense? It's rather annoying, and I'd really prefer it stopped.

What say you Leafy? Besides the derp?

I blame Pandarsenic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 17, 2010, 06:45:26 pm

The herp/derp bit is largely my fault, and I picked it up from one of my exes.

Also Leafsnail you totally didn't answer his game-related question. Just saying.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:55:04 pm

There was a game related question?  If it was a general "what say you"

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:16:44 pm

can we lynch obvscum JanusTwoFace or Kaminasquirtle today?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 06:58:06 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:28:26 pm

I suppose you could say that the death rate for a Medium is rather High :P

Now that I've got that pun out of the way I'll say that

Toaster
Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet
Eduren

are probably our scum team.

All of these player have been lackluster in their game, either by lurking, active or not, and contributing minuscule amounts.

As such, Ottofar, what are you so busy doing that you can't be here to play?

MBP, who needs a good lynching in your professional opinion?

Toaster, why didn't you try harder to make me unvote you yesterday? Weren't you even a little upset?

Eduren, what have you contributed to this game?

Heh, not doing anything is pretty much my hat these last week. I'm not a professionnal in any kind of way, and i havent yet read the last 6 page or so.Ill be back once it,s done

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: webadict on November 17, 2010, 07:00:05 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 17, 2010, 06:45:26 pm

The herp/derp bit is largely my fault, and I picked it up from one of my exes.

Also Leafsnail you totally didn't answer his game-related question. Just saying.

I rather dislike it. It gives Org the ability to active lurk. More than usual.

And no, Leafsnail wasn't really being asked a game related question.

But what's this!

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 06:58:06 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:28:26 pm

I suppose you could say that the death rate for a Medium is rather High :P

Now that I've got that pun out of the way I'll say that

Toaster
Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet
Eduren

are probably our scum team.

All of these player have been lackluster in their game, either by lurking, active or not, and contributing minuscule amounts.

As such, Ottofar, what are you so busy doing that you can't be here to play?

MBP, who needs a good lynching in your professional opinion?

Toaster, why didn't you try harder to make me unvote you yesterday? Weren't you even a little upset?

Eduren, what have you contributed to this game?

Heh, not doing anything is pretty much my hat these last week. I'm not a professionnal in any kind of way, and i havent yet read the last 6 page or so.Ill be back once it,s done

How DARE you! You think you can just sit back for a week while everyone else is scumhunting?!? Who do you think you are?!

But, seriously, you have to feel suspicious of someone. Not feeling suspicious about anyone is suspicious.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 07:05:45 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 07:00:05 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 17, 2010, 06:45:26 pm

But, seriously, you have to feel suspicious of someone. Not feeling suspicious about anyone is suspicious.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 07:09:00 pm

Heh, fail on my part. I know that Soli had a rather funny OMGUS on my case after me random voting him. That was probably the most obvious thing i got. After that i remeber Janus as being somewhat scummy but i havent read for like 5 days, so it's rather blurry

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: webadict on November 17, 2010, 07:10:18 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 07:05:45 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 07:00:05 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 17, 2010, 06:45:26 pm

But, seriously, you have to feel suspicious of someone. Not feeling suspicious about anyone is suspicious.

Does this mean you're suspicious of Pandarsenic or what?

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 07:09:00 pm

Heh, fail on my part. I know that Soli had a rather funny OMGUS on my case after me random voting him. That was probably the most obvious thing i got. After that i remeber Janus as being somewhat scummy but i havent read for like 5 days, so it's rather blurry

Better than nothing, I suppose. Doesn't make me feel any better though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 07:17:45 pm

Leafsnail, how are JTF and KaminaSquirtle obvscum?

I've forgotten about your argument because I really wasn't paying attention to it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 08:38:13 pm

Ottofar is the only one left of my scummiest list.  Good place to start.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 17, 2010, 06:09:24 pm

Weelllll at least we don't have to worry about Medium fakeclaims. That counts for something.

Why not?

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:16:44 pm

Bullets are vigs, aren't they?  Anyway, now we're done with our policy lynch, can we lynch obvscum JanusTwoFace or Kaminasquirtle today?

And why am I obviously scum? And more particularly so than KaminaSquirtle?

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:28:26 pm

All of these player have been lackluster in their game, either by lurking, active or not, and contributing minuscule amounts.

So the active players get by for not lurking?

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:29:41 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:18:15 pm

Normally, but the body's very fresh, and still warm, like it was a morningkill. The only thing that does that right now is the Assassin Bot. Unless I'm missing something.

Derp.

Do you have anything to actually contribute.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 06:58:06 pm

Heh, not doing anything is pretty much my hat these last week. I'm not a professionnal in any kind of way, and i havent yet read the last 6 page or so.Ill be back once it,s done

A standard 'more later' promise.  When are you going to deliver on that?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 08:59:26 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 08:38:13 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:16:44 pm

Bullets are vigs, aren't they?  Anyway, now we're done with our policy lynch, can we lynch obvscum JanusTwoFace or Kaminasquirtle today?

And why am I obviously scum? And more particularly so than KaminaSquirtle?

(not a denial)

See, this isn't a townie reaction.  A townie says "Hey, that's dumb!  I'm not scum!"  Wheras a mafia member says "Hey, where's the evience??  I need to bury it quick!"

Followed by deflection.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 08:38:13 pm

Do you have anything to actually contribute.

So I'm not allowed to reply to a post discussing flavour with a response discussing flavour...?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 09:10:56 pm

Denying being scum gets you absolutely nowhere, anyone can deny being scum.

And asking for evidence is scummy? No.
Not providing evidence is scummy. Like you're doing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 09:22:42 pm

Hey, Janus, what alignment are you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 09:32:22 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 09:22:42 pm

Hey, Janus, what alignment are you?

Town.  And yourself?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 09:53:07 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:16:44 pm

can we lynch obvscum JanusTwoFace or Kaminasquirtle today?

Why so anxious to declare me scum before the day really starts, Leafsnail?  It looks to me like you're doing exactly the same thing you found so scummy in JTF.
I don't like how you've locked on to me and Janus.  It's like an excuse to not contribute to the rest of the game.

Also, what is the verdict on the flavor text?  I've never played paranormal before, so I don't know what we can deduct from it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 09:59:16 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 09:53:07 pm

Also, what is the verdict on the flavor text?  I've never played paranormal before, so I don't know what we can deduct from it.

In Paranormal, flavor text basically always can be relied on to tell you what actually happened.  Although it can be troublesome to interpret sometimes.

This is probably correct:

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:11:45 pm

So, Exterminator killed Criptfeind, Org got Assassin Bot'd, Dopps got blocked?

If the dopps kill, they usually take the body.  Extermintor kills with plasma bursts, human killers with bullets, the still warm body means Assassin Bot.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

Web:  After you voted me, I asked you why, and you never answered me.  I had to simply guess at what you were trying to ask me about.  You didn't seem to care about your vote on me either, so why should it upset me?  I wrote it off to you not having time, but you appear to have time now.  If you intend to attack me, do so, but don't just dilly around with it.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 17, 2010, 07:09:00 pm

Heh, fail on my part. I know that Soli had a rather funny OMGUS on my case after me random voting him. That was probably the most obvious thing i got. After that i remeber Janus as being somewhat scummy but i havent read for like 5 days, so it's rather blurry

MBP:  I've told you about Toaster's #1 Scum Tell before, and you're treading on it again.  You've contributed nothing to this game, including the quoted post.  Fix that, or you're basically outing yourself as scum.


Kamina:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 09:55:33 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 12, 2010, 07:23:32 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 12, 2010, 12:06:41 am

This better, Toaster?

For that line alone, no.

O really?
Asking a more experienced player what he thought of my scumhunt so far makes my entire argument invalid?  Pleasing Toaster didn't even factor into my decision to do better scumhunting.  What did is that I want to actually y'know, contribute.
Why wouldn't I throw that in?  I did better, and might as well answer a comment aimed at me.

You're not coming across as sincere- you're trying to do the bare minimum of content to keep people off your back.  You're not here to please people- find the scum, hunt them down, and make them die.

PPE:

And your last post is scummy too.  Let me run it through the BS translator:  "How dare you attack me?  Look at all the other people out there you could be attacking (that aren't me)"

To answer your question, the flavor usually indicates the nature of the kill.  Dopps leave behind a bloody mess, the exterminator kills indicate energy weaponry, vigs shoot people, and the Xenozoologist leaves no traces behind, not even a roleflip.  Guard and PWV kills usually complicate things- see P16 for some complicated ones.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:03:37 pm

**P15- I fact checked that one after I actually posted.  Oops.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 10:37:15 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 08:59:26 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 08:38:13 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 06:16:44 pm

Bullets are vigs, aren't they?  Anyway, now we're done with our policy lynch, can we lynch obvscum JanusTwoFace or Kaminasquirtle today?

And why am I obviously scum? And more particularly so than KaminaSquirtle?

(not a denial)

See, this isn't a townie reaction.  A townie says "Hey, that's dumb!  I'm not scum!"  Wheras a mafia member says "Hey, where's the evience??  I need to bury it quick!"

Followed by deflection.

You got anything... stronger? I don't find it particularly compelling that he's not denying it, since he's also asking you why.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: webadict on November 17, 2010, 10:38:53 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

Web:  After you voted me, I asked you why, and you never answered me.  I had to simply guess at what you were trying to ask me about.  You didn't seem to care about your vote on me either, so why should it upset me?  I wrote it off to you not having time, but you appear to have time now.  If you intend to attack me, do so, but don't just dilly around with it.

PPE:

And your last post is scummy too.  Let me run it through the BS translator:  "How dare you attack me?  Look at all the other people out there you could be attacking (that aren't me)"

To answer your question, the flavor usually indicates the nature of the kill.  Dopps leave behind a bloody mess, the exterminator kills indicate energy weaponry, vigs shoot people, and the Xenozoologist leaves no traces behind, not even a roleflip.  Guard and PWV kills usually complicate things- see P16 for some complicated ones.

I suppose then I didn't. But now I'm gonna have to make up for that.

I'd like to point out that Mediums died, both of which are Human. That means that they didn't action, so they weren't killed by a PWV or a Guard. Why did you even bother bringing that up?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 10:45:47 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

You're not coming across as sincere- you're trying to do the bare minimum of content to keep people off your back.  You're not here to please people- find the scum, hunt them down, and make them die.

I'm not trying to please people.  Do you think my last post was supposed to please anyone?  Nope, I'm trying to find scum.  I find Leaf scummy.

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

And your last post is scummy too.  Let me run it through the BS translator:  "How dare you attack me?  Look at all the other people out there you could be attacking (that aren't me)"

Look, I'm getting tired of explaining this.  Leaf has done pretty much nothing but attack me and now JTF a bit.  I don't like that's he's attacking me, but that certainly doesn't look scummy.  It's the lack of any contribution on anything else that looks scummy.  I'd like to see more from him in other areas.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 11:36:34 pm

Web: He asked about what we can figure out from flavor.  I answered him, pointing out complicating factors.  If you're implying I'm making a case for one of those applying over the past night, I'm not.  I think the exty/assassin bot theory makes sense.

Kamina:  If you have to keep explaining your attack, that means it wasn't clear enough in the first place.  Explain your actions better.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: webadict on November 18, 2010, 07:46:19 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 11:36:34 pm

Web: He asked about what we can figure out from flavor.  I answered him, pointing out complicating factors.  If you're implying I'm making a case for one of those applying over the past night, I'm not.  I think the exty/assassin bot theory makes sense.

Kamina:  If you have to keep explaining your attack, that means it wasn't clear enough in the first place.  Explain your actions better.

My bad. I thought you were pointing out possibilities.

Where is everyone?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Ottofar on November 18, 2010, 10:04:07 am

Web, electricity. I think it's fixed now.

Kamina for now. I'll consider Janus tomorrow, or if I have time, today.

I'll be back in two hours, if I'll.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 18, 2010, 10:20:24 am

Spectroscopy for now, ill be better off later

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Toaster on November 18, 2010, 11:17:23 am

I went back and reread the thread to build my case on Kamina.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703375#msg1703375
This post is the best example of his early game- high levels of aggression that went several directions.  It was not sustained and eventually ran out.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703511#msg1703511
Very early defeatism.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704085#msg1704085
His initial aggression gone, he switches to lurker smacking.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704592#msg1704592
This post of mine summaries my issue with the Web votes involving us.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704958#msg1704958
Parroting.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709313#msg1709313
Continued lack of originality, as well as...

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728420#msg1728420
...an urge to please me.  See my commentary there on his post right before the one linked.


Overall, a history of scummy actions leads me to conclude you must be scum.



MBP:  If I had another vote, it'd be on you.

Zathras:  Ironically, Captain LurkerKiller has been on the forum since the day started, and has yet to post.  Where are you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mephansteras on November 18, 2010, 12:38:51 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
KaminaSquirtle: Ottofar, Toaster
Leafsnail: KaminaSquirtle
Mr.Person: Jim Groovester
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, webadict

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Friday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 01:10:35 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 09:32:22 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 09:22:42 pm

Hey, Janus, what alignment are you?

Town.  And yourself?

Town.  Interesting response though, considering you haven't tried to build any kind of case against me, and have just made very vague accusations so you don't have to reply properly.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 09:53:07 pm

Why so anxious to declare me scum before the day really starts, Leafsnail?  It looks to me like you're doing exactly the same thing you found so scummy in JTF.

Blatant OMGUS is blatant.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 09:53:07 pm

I don't like how you've locked on to me and Janus.  It's like an excuse to not contribute to the rest of the game.

I will keep voting scum until they die.  Simple as that.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 10:37:15 pm

You got anything... stronger? I don't find it particularly compelling that he's not denying it, since he's also asking you why.

Look back to the constant waffling on day one (for instance, his posts that take up 2 pages on a word document but don't say a single word about who's scum) and an obsession with lurkers and policy lynches (which he later contradicted himself by claiming it was a "scumvote").

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 10:45:47 pm

Look, I'm getting tired of explaining this.  Leaf has done pretty much nothing but attack me and now JTF a bit.  I don't like that's he's attacking me, but that certainly doesn't look scummy.  It's the lack of any contribution on anything else that looks scummy.  I'd like to see more from him in other areas.

If I get you two lynched, that's half of the dopps gone right there.  What's more, with you dead and confirmed scum, it will be easier to find your partners.  I don't need to focus on anything else until that gets done.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 02:24:44 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 18, 2010, 10:04:07 am

Web, electricity. I think it's fixed now.

Kamina for now. I'll consider Janus tomorrow, or if I have time, today.

I'll be back in two hours, if I'll.

And of course, the all important question, why? Because I really don't like how you're dropping in here and voting without reasons. Maybe you're voting along with other people? Well, I don't like their reasons either.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 01:10:35 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 10:37:15 pm

You got anything... stronger? I don't find it particularly compelling that he's not denying it, since he's also asking you why.

Look back to the constant waffling on day one (for instance, his posts that take up 2 pages on a word document but don't say a single word about who's scum) and an obsession with lurkers and policy lynches (which he later contradicted himself by claiming it was a "scumvote").

And what if I don't wanna and I'd rather have you link me because I'm lazy? It's your argument. Point me to the evidence.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 02:26:53 pm

Unvote.
Well, I don't even care about being lynched anymore.  Lynch me then.  Just make sure to look over my posts when I die.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 18, 2010, 10:04:07 am

Web, electricity. I think it's fixed now.

Kamina for now. I'll consider Janus tomorrow, or if I have time, today.

I'll be back in two hours, if I'll.

You've contributed nothing this entire game, Ottofar.  Would you care to start now?  Or are you happy to only come out and vote once in a while, with no argument to back it up?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 02:52:52 pm

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708509#msg1708509

There's one of Janus's huge walls of NOTHING.  It's like staring into the abyss.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 02:26:53 pm

Unvote.
Well, I don't even care about being lynched anymore.  Lynch me then.  Just make sure to look over my posts when I die.

"Hey, if I unvote (without giving any reason why, or explaining why he's suddenly not scum), maybe he'll leave me alone?

Nah, that won't be enough... I know, I'll make an extremely halfassed attempt to look like a townie giving up (in spite of having only 2 votes on me)."

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 03:03:52 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 02:52:52 pm

"Hey, if I unvote (without giving any reason why, or explaining why he's suddenly not scum), maybe he'll leave me alone?

Nah, that won't be enough... I know, I'll make an extremely halfassed attempt to look like a townie giving up (in spite of having only 2 votes on me)."

Nope, I never said I'm giving up.  I said I don't care if you really want to vote, and, ultimately lynch me.  I'm not going to make an effort to stop that.  I didn't say I would stop trying to find scum.

I'm still not sure you're not scum, but I find Ottofar to be more scummy.  Assuming your reasons are similar to Toaster's, I can see how you're convinced by them.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 03:05:10 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 02:52:52 pm

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708509#msg1708509

There's one of Janus's huge walls of NOTHING.  It's like staring into the abyss.

It's funny how you link to one of your own posts.

JTF does stuff like that all the time. He responds to a lot of stuff and quotes it for context. I'm really not seeing anything out of the ordinary coming from him.

But eh, you've prompted a read through of him. I'll take a look at his posts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 03:35:06 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 03:03:52 pm

Nope, I never said I'm giving up.  I said I don't care if you really want to vote, and, ultimately lynch me.  I'm not going to make an effort to stop that.  I didn't say I would stop trying to find scum.

So, I'm guessing someone on the scumchat told you you're being overdefensive.  Got it.

Interestingly, "I don't care about being lynched anymore" is the only reason given for unvoting me.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 03:05:10 pm

It's funny how you link to one of your own posts.

JTF does stuff like that all the time. He responds to a lot of stuff and quotes it for context. I'm really not seeing anything out of the ordinary coming from him.

But eh, you've prompted a read through of him. I'll take a look at his posts.

It's my post about his wall of nothing.  And he does do it a lot, but he doesn't usually post a page of useless crap and then give FoS's and votes exclusively to lurkers and policy lynch targets.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 03:39:14 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 03:35:06 pm

Interestingly, "I don't care about being lynched anymore" is the only reason given for unvoting me.

See here:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 03:03:52 pm

I'm still not sure you're not scum, but I find Ottofar to be more scummy.  Assuming your reasons are similar to Toaster's, I can see how you're convinced by them.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Toaster on November 18, 2010, 03:45:59 pm

Kamina:  That reason came after the fact, where Leaf's already called you on no reason to unvote.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 04:06:33 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 03:05:10 pm

But eh, you've prompted a read through of him. I'll take a look at his posts.

And on a brief read through I still don't see any of Leafsnail's arguments.

Mr.Person & Zathras, come on, get your sorry hypocritical lurking asses in here.

In addition to my previous question (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727723#msg1727723), I want to know what you make of webadict's Day 2 play so far.

And Mish, you're still around, aren't you? What do you have for us today?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 04:13:10 pm

Thursday are 9am to 9pm busy.  I'll post tonight.

(If I don't, then you can lynch me for hypocrisy.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

MBP:

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet link=topic=69553.msg1727793#msg1727793

Heh, not doing anything is pretty much my hat these last week. I'm not a professionnal in any kind of way, and i havent yet read the last 6 page or so.Ill be back once it,s done

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 18, 2010, 10:20:24 am

Spectroscopy for now, ill be better off later

Utterly useless, and again promising content and failing to deliver. You are completely scummy and should hang for it.


Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 10:38:53 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

Web:  After you voted me, I asked you why, and you never answered me.

I suppose then I didn't. But now I'm gonna have to make up for that.

And yet, you didn't. It's after Tuesday, and you're still not playing your town game. I still think you scummy.


Pandarsenic:

You've been activelurking the entire game. Posting, but not doing any hunting. What are your interpretations of the night's happenings and flavour? Who are your top scummy picks? What are your current reads on Leafsnail, Kamina and Toaster?


These are my current top picks: Pandar, Web and MBP; I'm pretty sure they're scum. There's at least five scum out there, so more hunting needs to happen. Toaster and Leafsnail are medium-scummy; and Criptfeind & Eduren are MIA.

PS: Apologies for light posting, this has been a very busy week for me. I'll be as active as I can.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 05:24:25 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

and Criptfeind & Eduren are MIA.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Let me overexaggerate my curiosity.

Zathras, I'm really confused! Why do you think Criptfeind is MIA? Why would that be, I wonder????????????????

Any particular reason why you're not paying attention to the game? That's twice so far. First with ToonyMan, then now with Criptfeind.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:33:58 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 05:24:25 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

and CriptfeindMish & Eduren are MIA.

Zathras, I'm really confused! Why do you think Criptfeind is MIA? Why would that be, I wonder?
Any particular reason why you're not paying attention to the game? That's twice so far. First with ToonyMan, then now with Criptfeind.

Ugh. Me stupid. I was thinking of Solifuge, who was replaced, and I forgot who by. The read of the night flavour left Criptfeind in my mind, so my fingers typed it without realising it was Mish who I was thinking of. Mish and Eduren are MIA, I meant. Reasons? Stupidity and sleep deprivation.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: webadict on November 18, 2010, 08:01:45 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

MBP:

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet link=topic=69553.msg1727793#msg1727793

Heh, not doing anything is pretty much my hat these last week. I'm not a professionnal in any kind of way, and i havent yet read the last 6 page or so.Ill be back once it,s done

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 18, 2010, 10:20:24 am

Spectroscopy for now, ill be better off later

Utterly useless, and again promising content and failing to deliver. You are completely scummy and should hang for it.


Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 10:38:53 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

Web:  After you voted me, I asked you why, and you never answered me.

I suppose then I didn't. But now I'm gonna have to make up for that.

And yet, you didn't. It's after Tuesday, and you're still not playing your town game. I still think you scummy.


Pandarsenic:

You've been activelurking the entire game. Posting, but not doing any hunting. What are your interpretations of the night's happenings and flavour? Who are your top scummy picks? What are your current reads on Leafsnail, Kamina and Toaster?


These are my current top picks: Pandar, Web and MBP; I'm pretty sure they're scum. There's at least five scum out there, so more hunting needs to happen. Toaster and Leafsnail are medium-scummy; and Criptfeind & Eduren are MIA.

PS: Apologies for light posting, this has been a very busy week for me. I'll be as active as I can.

So, you think I'm suspicious for not playing in a manner you're accustomed to? That's a crying shame. I'll play how I want, really.

But, since we're talking about playstyles, you've forgotten who's playing twice, you're attacking lurkers, and then you're lurking, which means you're scum. Clearly, you'll have to vote yourself for not playing your usual town game. Dur.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 18, 2010, 08:07:43 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Pandarsenic:

You've been activelurking the entire game. Posting, but not doing any hunting. What are your interpretations of the night's happenings and flavour? Who are your top scummy picks? What are your current reads on Leafsnail, Kamina and Toaster?


These are my current top picks: Pandar, Web and MBP; I'm pretty sure they're scum. There's at least five scum out there, so more hunting needs to happen. Toaster and Leafsnail are medium-scummy; and Criptfeind & Eduren are MIA.

PS: Apologies for light posting, this has been a very busy week for me. I'll be as active as I can.

Baldrick has a plan is a pretty cool guy, eh hunts solely lrukers so he doesn't have to actually analyze people's content and doesn't afraid of anything,

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 09:43:54 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 18, 2010, 10:04:07 am

Web, electricity. I think it's fixed now.

Kamina for now. I'll consider Janus tomorrow, or if I have time, today.

I'll be back in two hours, if I'll.

That's all you've got?  You'll just parrot other's attacks and wonder off?  Where's that "two hours later" post you were talking about?  It's been 8.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 18, 2010, 10:20:24 am

Spectroscopy for now, ill be better off later

You already had your more later posts here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727793#msg1727793) and here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727837#msg1727837). Post something useful.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 01:10:35 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 17, 2010, 09:32:22 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 17, 2010, 09:22:42 pm

Hey, Janus, what alignment are you?

Town.  And yourself?

Town.  Interesting response though, considering you haven't tried to build any kind of case against me, and have just made very vague accusations so you don't have to reply properly.

It was sarcasm designed to point out how pointless the question is. You really haven't been worth attacking.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 01:10:35 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 09:53:07 pm

I don't like how you've locked on to me and Janus.  It's like an excuse to not contribute to the rest of the game.

I will keep voting scum until they die.  Simple as that.

So you're absolutely, 100% sure that you have scum? Because otherwise you're tunneling something hard here and it's scummy.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 02:26:53 pm

Unvote.
Well, I don't even care about being lynched anymore.  Lynch me then.  Just make sure to look over my posts when I die.

Pro tip: Don't do this. No matter if you're town or scum or 3rd party. It's going to get you lynched. (Well, I guess if you're a Jester. But even then, just don't do it). Don't give up.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 03:35:06 pm

It's my post about his wall of nothing.  And he does do it a lot, but he doesn't usually post a page of useless crap and then give FoS's and votes exclusively to lurkers and policy lynch targets.

... The FoS's and votes were on lurkers because we had just gotten an extension.  I wanted to see them use it.

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[size=14]Now, do you want to know why I rail on lurkers?[/size]

Because of this:

Last semi-useful posts:
Mish - Nov 13 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1712251#msg1712251) attacking MBP for lurking? Really?
Eduren - Nov 12 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709666#msg1709666) requested an Extension and did nothing with it
Mr.Person - Nov 11 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707759#msg1707759) although he's been posting in other games
Ottofar - Nov 11 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707501#msg1707501) and just barely, promised a more later that never appeared
Mysteriousbluepuppet - I haven't see one yet

To put this in context, Day 1 didn't end until Nov 13 and Day 2 started on Nov 17.  That's *plenty* of time to post.  If you're going to sign up to play games, then PLAY THE GAME.  Otherwise, DON'T SIGN UP.  It's not that hard.

Here, I'll even make it easy for you:

Mish: If you had a one-shot night kill, who would you use it on and why?

Eduren: If you were scum and your scum buddy was lurking what would you do and why?

Mr.Person: If you were a Military Scientist, which tech would you pick and why?

Ottofar: Why am I voting you and why should I stop?

Mysteriousbluepuppet: Post something, anything that shows me you give a damn about this game.

After that, to each of you, ask at least one useful question to anyone in the game.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 10:08:50 pm

Hey, it's another JanusScumFace special.  Apparently there's some secret condition in the rules that means we automatically win if there are no lurkers left alive.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 10:15:22 pm

Do you want people to lurk?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mish on November 18, 2010, 10:29:44 pm

Back guys, didn't realise the day had started after the delay.

Janus:
If I had a one shot night kill, I would probably keep it till a day or two before lylo when I'm more sure who's scum.
If I had to use it on this night I would probably be forced to use it MBP for posting NOTHING of content during the whole game.
As for my question:
Anyone: Do you think scum would be extra eager to lynch Shadow after we had decided he was either SS or scum? Not saying that everyone who voted him is scummy, but I think it would of been an opportunity scum couldn't let slip.

Zathras: What is MIA? Sorry not too flash on my mafia lingo.

Leafsnail: You seem to be clutching at straws in your attack of JTF.

MBP: I really think you should hang tonight, it's so hard to attack anyone else when the only thing some people are posting is: I'll post more later! Then when they do post more later they say they haven't got anything and that they will post more later.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 18, 2010, 10:36:54 pm

Quote from: Mish on November 18, 2010, 10:29:44 pm

Anyone: Do you think scum would be extra eager to lynch Shadow after we had decided he was either SS or scum? Not saying that everyone who voted him is scummy, but I think it would of been an opportunity scum couldn't let slip.

I don't think they'd have had to do much.  They could've just let town get him, without having to dirty themselves with it.  I mean, he was digging his own grave, why bother with putting yourself on the line when he was doing a perfectly good job getting himself lynched on his own?  This is spilling into WIFOM territory, but the point is that it doesn't really help determine scum.

Quote from: Mish on November 18, 2010, 10:29:44 pm

Zathras: What is MIA? Sorry not too flash on my mafia lingo.

Missing In Action.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Toaster on November 18, 2010, 11:07:23 pm

Zathras:  Do you intend to ever say why you think I am medium-scummy?  Otherwise, you're just spreading suspicion around.  And cut the lurker crap if you're going to lurk yourself.

I will give you one point, and that's for...

Pandar:  You haven't done a damn thing today.  When are you going to join the party?

Janus:  For some reason, your questions to Mish and Person (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731218#msg1731218) stink of rolefishing.  It's weird rolefishing, though, because I don't see why you'd try to find out any MS after he shot his load- he'd be vanilla now, assuming a MS indeed killed Org.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 11:14:36 pm

Quote from: Mish on November 18, 2010, 10:29:44 pm

Anyone: Do you think scum would be extra eager to lynch Shadow after we had decided he was either SS or scum? Not saying that everyone who voted him is scummy, but I think it would of been an opportunity scum couldn't let slip.

Direct answer to your question: yes. The problem with your question: so would town. I think you're trying to indirectly trying to put suspicion on those associated with the SHAD0Wdump lynch. Especially since you seemed perfectly fine with the lynch yourself although you were careful to avoid actually voting for him...

Quote from: Toaster on November 18, 2010, 11:07:23 pm

Janus:  For some reason, your questions to Mish and Person (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731218#msg1731218) stink of rolefishing.  It's weird rolefishing, though, because I don't see why you'd try to find out any MS after he shot his load- he'd be vanilla now, assuming a MS indeed killed Org.

Not really. Knowing who someone would kill if they had an option to do it directly rather than try to push a lynch is important. Especially when they aren't actually doing a thing about actually working on the lynching option.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 18, 2010, 11:33:27 pm

Quote from: Mish on November 18, 2010, 10:29:44 pm

As for my question:
Anyone: Do you think scum would be extra eager to lynch Shadow after we had decided he was either SS or scum? Not saying that everyone who voted him is scummy, but I think it would of been an opportunity scum couldn't let slip.

SHADOWdump was so incredibly scummy that anybody could have voted for him and been perfectly justified in doing so. If there were scum who voted for him, it's going to absolutely useless trying to track them down based on that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:39:15 pm

Mr.Person, why were you and Zathras trying to get webadict lynched for stupid meta shit yesterday? And why were you focusing your lurker hunting efforts on webadict when there's a rogue's gallery of abhorrent lurkers this game who had even less excuse than webadict?

It was very out of character for Webadict to be lurking. Sure, he had an excuse, but the posts he did make were very passive and weak. Now you can make all the excuses you want, but the only reason I'm going to unvote for that is if he started acting different. Which he has, by the way, so no more Webadict vote for me. At least for now. Actually, ugh, I hate playing with Webadict. It's like trying to read a foreign language or solve a crazy hard logic problem. You know it's possible, but you just can't figure how.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 09:43:54 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 01:10:35 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 09:53:07 pm

I don't like how you've locked on to me and Janus.  It's like an excuse to not contribute to the rest of the game.

I will keep voting scum until they die.  Simple as that.

So you're absolutely, 100% sure that you have scum? Because otherwise you're tunneling something hard here and it's scummy.

Really now, tunneling became scummy? When did that happen? Last I checked, tunneling was a towny action to lynch a player he/she is sure is scum, or if you're ToonyMan, to put pressure on that player so you can figure out that player's alignment.

But alright, tell me this, JanusTwoface. If you were really, really sure that SHAD0Wdump is scum, why wouldn't you tunnel him until he dies?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 09:43:54 pm

Mr.Person: If you were a Military Scientist, which tech would you pick and why?

Assassin drone. I'd tell myself I'd wait until lylo and piss off the whole town by using it to replace our lylo lynch, but I'd chicken out and use it the night before if it's mylo.

If you wanted to know who I'd kill, probably Webadict. Not only do I have an inkling he's scum, I'd never be able to get him lynched. At least that's what I'd do now. Not very shocking since I need to get some different suspicions now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2010, 02:19:41 am

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

Really now, tunneling became scummy? When did that happen? Last I checked, tunneling was a towny action to lynch a player he/she is sure is scum, or if you're ToonyMan, to put pressure on that player so you can figure out that player's alignment.

Tunneling *is* scummy.  Ask the mafiascum wiki (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Tunnel_vision). It's also known as confirmation bias. You're so sure that you have scum that you don't look anywhere else and anything at all looks like evidence. Putting pressure on someone is something totally different. In case it's unclear, Leafsnail is doing the former.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

But alright, tell me this, JanusTwoface. If you were really, really sure that SHAD0Wdump is scum, why wouldn't you tunnel him until he dies?

Um... What? I was voting him until he did die. There wasn't any need to apply any more pressure to him, he already was plenty scummy to lynch and I wasn't the only person who thought so. I still think he's scummy (albeit not actually scum) and I saw the role flip.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

If you wanted to know who I'd kill, probably Webadict. Not only do I have an inkling he's scum, I'd never be able to get him lynched. At least that's what I'd do now. Not very shocking since I need to get some different suspicions now.

If you're town and want to kill webadict, you must think he's at least a little scummy. So why don't you vote him? Instead you vote me for two reasons (that I can see).  Both based on something not even directed at you, and neither of which holds any water at all. Nice.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 02:39:29 am

Uhh... it doesn't say anything about scummy. Just bad. Also, does it really bother nobody that Zathras isn't analyzing anyone who's actually posting frequently on account of his "All Lurkers, All the Time" polcy?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 02:43:35 am

It's bothering me.

Unvote.

Zathras. Since I'm still not impressed by anything he's done so far I am returning to the default stance towards him of voting his scummy ass.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 04:03:05 am

Actually Janus, you and me having a miscommunication. Leafsnail's trying to get the player he thinks is scummy lynched. I want to know why that's scummy. You've said "Tunneling". I've responded with "Tunneling isn't scummy". You said "Yeah it is". We've had a bit of a miscommunication. When I say "tunneling", I thought you meant "trying to get another player lynched" or perhaps "attacking another player for minor shit". What you actually meant was "attack another player in the face of dissuading evidence". There is no dissuading evidence for Leafsnail to ignore.

But ok, if you're not scum, who is? Who should Leafsnail be attacking? Actually, I'll drop the metaphor. Who should we all be attacking?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Zathras on November 19, 2010, 05:19:52 am

Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 18, 2010, 08:01:45 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 10:38:53 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

Web:  After you voted me, I asked you why, and you never answered me.

I suppose then I didn't. But now I'm gonna have to make up for that.

And yet, you didn't. It's after Tuesday, and you're still not playing your town game. I still think you scummy.

So, you think I'm suspicious for not playing in a manner you're accustomed to? That's a crying shame. I'll play how I want, really.

You do that -- play how you want, I'll vote who I want; your play is scummy and noncommittal. You are scum.

Pandarsenic:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 18, 2010, 08:07:43 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Pandarsenic:
You've been activelurking the entire game. Posting, but not doing any hunting. What are your interpretations of the night's happenings and flavour? Who are your top scummy picks? What are your current reads on Leafsnail, Kamina and Toaster?

Baldrick has a plan is a pretty cool guy, eh hunts solely lrukers so he doesn't have to actually analyze people's content and doesn't afraid of anything,

I note that you didn't answer the question. Once again, you have done zero hunting the entire game. The question was important, the dopps didn't kill last night, and you seem to have no opinion on the matter. Although it is probably too early in the game to start poking into roles and actions, my limited time on line leaves me little choice: I know for a fact you were roleblocked last night. And the dopps didn't kill. Curious, yes? Feel like fakeclaiming something?


However, this point, curiously made by both of them, is accurate:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 02:39:29 am

Also, does it really bother nobody that Zathras isn't analyzing anyone who's actually posting frequently on account of his "All Lurkers, All the Time" polcy?

Quote from: webadict

But, since we're talking about playstyles, you've forgotten who's playing twice, you're attacking lurkers, and then you're lurking, which means you're scum. Clearly, you'll have to vote yourself for not playing your usual town game. Dur.

Yes. It pains me to say that I have been unusually busy this week, and it will likely continue for at least another week or more. With that in mind, I see no choice but to ask Mephansteras: I need a replacement, please.

It saddens me this is the case, as I had been waiting a long time for this game, however I do not at the moment have enough time to do it justice, so it would only be fair for someone else to step in. I will continue to play as opportunity allows until a replacement is found. Sorry guys, some times real life does interfere.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Toaster on November 19, 2010, 09:03:15 am

Now that's an interesting claim.  I went back and reviewed Pandar's posts, and I'm inclined to believe it.

Pandar:  I read over all your posts.  Around half of them had the content equivalent of "Herp derp."  Beyond that, you make comments defending your lurking, a very weak attack toward Cript that waffles into uselessness (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706518#msg1706518), and attacking Zath for a single minded lurker focus, which is interestingly targeted at you.  You've posted nothing of any real substance, and anyone can look at the LurkerTracker (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1711181#msg1711181) to see you being useless.

What do you have to say to Zath's claim?  Who do you suspect, and why?

Janus:  Mmm, ok.  I can't see anything scummy in your answer.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 09:56:57 am

After gym. I promise.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2010, 01:28:17 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 04:03:05 am

Actually Janus, you and me having a miscommunication. Leafsnail's trying to get the player he thinks is scummy lynched. I want to know why that's scummy. You've said "Tunneling". I've responded with "Tunneling isn't scummy". You said "Yeah it is". We've had a bit of a miscommunication. When I say "tunneling", I thought you meant "trying to get another player lynched" or perhaps "attacking another player for minor shit". What you actually meant was "attack another player in the face of dissuading evidence". There is no dissuading evidence for Leafsnail to ignore.

Say what now?  You specifically said tunneling:

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

Really now, tunneling became scummy? When did that happen? Last I checked, tunneling was a towny action to lynch a player he/she is sure is scum, or if you're ToonyMan, to put pressure on that player so you can figure out that player's alignment.

And I still think that Leafsnail is tunneling strictly by the definition I gave.  He's focussed on getting one/two players lynched without actually looking at evidence.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 04:03:05 am

But ok, if you're not scum, who is? Who should Leafsnail be attacking? Actually, I'll drop the metaphor. Who should we all be attacking?

If I knew for sure, then I'd be doing everything in my power to make sure they were lynched. It's not my job to tell you who to attack. If you're town, do your own scumhunting. If you're scum, don't so we can lynch you all the easier.

Update on my scummitude list:
- Ottofar, Leafsnail, Mr.Person, Pandarsenic, and Zathras are the scummiest
- Mysteriousbluepuppet, Mith, and Eduren are next, although I can't get a read on them if they don't post more
- Jim Groovester, Toaster, and webadict are probably innocent

Quote from: Zathras on November 19, 2010, 05:19:52 am

Yes. It pains me to say that I have been unusually busy this week, and it will likely continue for at least another week or more. With that in mind, I see no choice but to ask Mephansteras: I need a replacement, please.

The sad thing is that even requesting a replacement, you're not even in the bottom quartile of activity.  On the other hand, the difference is that you're usually more active.

Based on your evidence though, unvote, vote Pandarsenic. Give a good reason why we shouldn't believe Zathras' explination of last night.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 09:56:57 am

After gym. I promise.

I'll believe it when I see it. It's already been over 3 hours and there's not *that* many left in the day. Luckily for you, Pandarsenic has direct evidence on him. Be back to you later.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 19, 2010, 02:47:06 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail, Mr.Person
KaminaSquirtle: Ottofar, Toaster
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Mish
Ottofar: KaminaSquirtle
Pandarsenic: JanusTwoFace, Toaster, Zathras
Zathras: Jim Groovester

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 02:49:48 pm

Quote from: Jokerman-EXE on November 19, 2010, 02:47:06 pm

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

Shit, you're kidding.

Unvote. Talk fast, Pandarsenic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 19, 2010, 02:52:09 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 02:49:48 pm

Quote from: Jokerman-EXE on November 19, 2010, 02:47:06 pm

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

Shit, you're kidding.

No sir. Four votes get an extension, though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 02:55:09 pm

Extend to weekend.
I'll make a post now.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 19, 2010, 02:55:47 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 09:56:57 am

After gym. I promise.

I still don't see it, and the day is nearly over.
Better start contributing soon, the lurking you and MBP (and probably others too) have been doing is insane.  Even though Zathras has asked for a replacement, I'd still like a lurkertracker report.  Whatever else you may say about it, that thing is handy.

And yes, extension.  Plenty of people haven't even posted today yet.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 02:55:09 pm

Extend to weekend.
I'll make a post now.

Ninja'd.  Better be good.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 02:56:07 pm

Extension.

Fucking lurkers.

I want to hear Pandarsenic's explanation. If it satisfies me, I recommend we start lynching lurkers. There's no excuse.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 19, 2010, 02:58:39 pm

Three votes for extension heard (damn, that was fast). One vote required to extend Day until ~5pm Pacific Monday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Toaster on November 19, 2010, 03:03:52 pm

I'll take an extension so we can get some answers out of certain people.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 19, 2010, 03:05:20 pm

Four votes heard. Day extended to 5pm Pacific Monday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Toaster on November 19, 2010, 03:05:37 pm

Also Joker/Meph:  You have me voting for both Kamina and Pandar.  While I wish I could vote both of them, I'm currently voting Kamina.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 19, 2010, 03:08:58 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail, Mr.Person
KaminaSquirtle: Ottofar, Toaster
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Mish
Ottofar: KaminaSquirtle, webadict
Pandarsenic: JanusTwoFace, Zathras
Zathras: Jim Groovester

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

Fixed. Thank you for pointing that out.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Toaster on November 19, 2010, 03:10:23 pm

Please prod Eduren as well.  He hasn't posted since day start.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 19, 2010, 03:13:24 pm

Spoiler: A message to all you lurkers (click to show/hide)

(http://imgur.com/8txp4.jpg)
THE BIG MAN IS ON TO YOU!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Eduren on November 19, 2010, 03:52:34 pm

Okay, I'm sorry about not being able to play. Actually having a life takes up more time than I thought.

Requesting a replacement.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 03:56:44 pm

Yeah. Fuck. I got to reply #227. I was listing all of Janus' posts. Suddenly: the damn browser crashes. It's 12pm here. I'm not going to do it again. Anyways, in short, Janus was driving the policy lynch, but it didn't work out. He wouldn't back off, because someone could've said he just wanted to get a free lynch. Then he gets SHAD0W and Cript to vote for, and argues with Cript about the amount of the Org-concerning posts. Also, he was too friendly with Kamina, which is also suspicious.

Anyways I redo the damn post tomorrow. Good Night.

Also, eight new replies.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 03:59:19 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 03:56:44 pm

Anyways I redo the damn post tomorrow. Good Night.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://www.thjsmith.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/rageface.png)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacements Needed
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 07:22:34 pm

@Ottofar: Damnit, I can't even remember what policy lynch you're talking about anymore. Ugh. I'll have to go look back on that.

@Janus: Screw up more. Seriously, there's so little wrong with you it's actually kind of weird. Oh well. Feelings do not make reasons for lynching.Unvote.

Vote Pandarsenic. There's pretty much nothing he could claim at this point that'd change my mind. Yeah yeah, bandwagon, I just happen to know that a lurking Pand is a scum Pand. It's all very meta. Combined with the claim, it's enough evidence for me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 07:25:32 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2010, 01:28:17 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 04:03:05 am

Actually Janus, you and me having a miscommunication. Leafsnail's trying to get the player he thinks is scummy lynched. I want to know why that's scummy. You've said "Tunneling". I've responded with "Tunneling isn't scummy". You said "Yeah it is". We've had a bit of a miscommunication. When I say "tunneling", I thought you meant "trying to get another player lynched" or perhaps "attacking another player for minor shit". What you actually meant was "attack another player in the face of dissuading evidence". There is no dissuading evidence for Leafsnail to ignore.

Say what now?  You specifically said tunneling:

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

Really now, tunneling became scummy? When did that happen? Last I checked, tunneling was a towny action to lynch a player he/she is sure is scum, or if you're ToonyMan, to put pressure on that player so you can figure out that player's alignment.

And I still think that Leafsnail is tunneling strictly by the definition I gave.  He's focussed on getting one/two players lynched without actually looking at evidence.

We have a different definition of tunneling. I was thinking more like "Toony Tunneling" while you were using tunneling in a way I've never heard it used for.

What evidence would Leafsnail be ignoring, then?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 07:26:16 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 19, 2010, 05:19:52 am

Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 18, 2010, 08:01:45 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 10:38:53 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 17, 2010, 10:02:26 pm

Web:  After you voted me, I asked you why, and you never answered me.

I suppose then I didn't. But now I'm gonna have to make up for that.

And yet, you didn't. It's after Tuesday, and you're still not playing your town game. I still think you scummy.

So, you think I'm suspicious for not playing in a manner you're accustomed to? That's a crying shame. I'll play how I want, really.

You do that -- play how you want, I'll vote who I want; your play is scummy and noncommittal. You are scum.

Pandarsenic:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 18, 2010, 08:07:43 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 18, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Pandarsenic:
You've been activelurking the entire game. Posting, but not doing any hunting. What are your interpretations of the night's happenings and flavour? Who are your top scummy picks? What are your current reads on Leafsnail, Kamina and Toaster?

Baldrick has a plan is a pretty cool guy, eh hunts solely lrukers so he doesn't have to actually analyze people's content and doesn't afraid of anything,

I note that you didn't answer the question. Once again, you have done zero hunting the entire game. The question was important, the dopps didn't kill last night, and you seem to have no opinion on the matter. Although it is probably too early in the game to start poking into roles and actions, my limited time on line leaves me little choice: I know for a fact you were roleblocked last night. And the dopps didn't kill. Curious, yes? Feel like fakeclaiming something?


However, this point, curiously made by both of them, is accurate:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 02:39:29 am

Also, does it really bother nobody that Zathras isn't analyzing anyone who's actually posting frequently on account of his "All Lurkers, All the Time" polcy?

Quote from: webadict

But, since we're talking about playstyles, you've forgotten who's playing twice, you're attacking lurkers, and then you're lurking, which means you're scum. Clearly, you'll have to vote yourself for not playing your usual town game. Dur.

Yes. It pains me to say that I have been unusually busy this week, and it will likely continue for at least another week or more. With that in mind, I see no choice but to ask Mephansteras: I need a replacement, please.

It saddens me this is the case, as I had been waiting a long time for this game, however I do not at the moment have enough time to do it justice, so it would only be fair for someone else to step in. I will continue to play as opportunity allows until a replacement is found. Sorry guys, some times real life does interfere.

orite actual questions. I forgot those.

It's obvious, as we've established, that one was Exterminated and one was either Vig'd or Morningkill'd. Lacking an actual statement from the mod (that I've seen), I'm going to assume that it was a Vig, not an assassin bot.

Lensfail: He's working particular people and I see nothing especially bad about that - as long as he actually looks at the evidence he finds, the dissuading evidence, and the other people, he's doing something totally okay. Do YOU think there's something I should be thinking about him?

KaminaSquirtle: A mix of scumtell/nubtells, Spasticness, and what I'd have said is a NON-scumtell OMGUS. An OMGUS is most suspicious when it's hesitant. However, he IMMEDIATELY drops it when called on it... then puts an OMGUS on Ottofar. He then goes "Hey, ALL LURKERS ALL THE TIME works for Zathras, I should try it since I can't seem to actually make good attacks on players who do things!"

Toaster: He finds it suspicious that I was worried about being buddied by Criptfeind (though it amounted to nothing)? Also, I've called him out on his All Lurkers All the Time bullshit before he attacked me, haven't I?


Regarding being blocked, I've no night action, but received a PM about feeling dizzy then sleeping. I assumed it was the thing that blocks everyone or something initially, but seeing the deaths I figured Jokerman-EXE was just a bit fuzzy on how the Warden flavor works or something. It's fully possible there are two wardens, that the Dopps attempted to kill someone unable to be killed (possibly even crashing against the Exterminator's shield), etc.

If he claims he is not the Warden in question, and that he was told by someone else, that opens up even more possibilities (he's scum with them; he's scum who is "protecting someone's identity" and thus won't finger his source until I flip town, then he gets two townies lynched and perhaps even is an Advanced Dopp who'll replace someone at that point; he's gullible town being lied to by scum who wants him to take the fallout; etc.)
In other words, it's a bunch of WIFOM in the end anyway.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Leafsnail on November 19, 2010, 07:42:53 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 10:15:22 pm

Do you want people to lurk?

Oh... yes, I forgot.  We're playing "vote of the people who post least", aren't we?  How silly.  I'll just blindly vote the person with the least posts and...

Oh wait, no, we're playing mafia.  A game where the aim is to FIND AND LYNCH THE FUCKING SCUM.

Quote from: Mish on November 18, 2010, 10:29:44 pm

I'm obviously Janus's partner!

Got it.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2010, 02:19:41 am

Bullshit appeal to authority.

Uhuh.  In any case, it says nothing about scummy, and doesn't even seem to apply to this case at all, since you're both blindingly obvious scum.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2010, 01:28:17 pm

If I knew for sure, then I'd be doing everything in my power to make sure they were lynched. It's not my job to tell you who to attack. If you're town, do your own scumhunting. If you're scum, don't so we can lynch you all the easier.

So... you're doing absolutely nothing, other than making a ridiculously vague attack on me for actually FUCKING DOING SOMETHING?

Extension since JanusTwoFace isn't being lynched yet.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 07:43:54 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 19, 2010, 07:42:53 pm

Extension since JanusTwoFace isn't being lynched yet.

What, through Monday isn't enough time for you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacements Needed
Post by: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 08:20:05 pm

Wait actually, Janus. When I said "If you thought SHAD0Wdump was scum, would you of done everything in your power to get him lynched?", I was speaking in hypotheticals.

So let's say you think that I'm scum. Would you do everything in your power to get me lynched?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacements Needed
Post by: Mephansteras on November 19, 2010, 09:16:54 pm

Argembarger is replacing Eduren.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 11:30:20 pm

Zathras/Zathras' Replacement, since you're willing to reveal that Pandarsenic was roleblocked, what was the nature of the roleblock?

Pandarsenic, why do you assume that the flavor is erroneous? I don't think Meph would let something like that happen.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 07:22:34 pm

@Janus: Screw up more. Seriously, there's so little wrong with you it's actually kind of weird. Oh well. Feelings do not make reasons for lynching.Unvote.

Why did you vote JTF in the first place, then?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Argembarger on November 19, 2010, 11:39:38 pm

Hey guys I'm totally Eduren and not Argembarger

(Mephansteras advised me to read Paranormal Mafias 15 and 16 (I've read 13 and 14) to make myself familiar with updates to the system, so if I don't make a legit post for a bit, it's because I'm doing that. Plus I'll probably have to reread this one because I will have forgotten most of what happened in this thread after reading through two separate mafia games.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Zathras on November 19, 2010, 11:45:39 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 07:26:16 pm

Regarding being blocked, I've no night action, but received a PM about feeling dizzy then sleeping.

So you don't deny being roleblocked on the night the Dopps didn't kill. Good. I also notice you volunteered "I've no night action" unprompted; an unneeded roleclaim this early stinks of a fakeclaim. What are you claiming? A town-aligned role with no night actions, right? That would be.... a Vanilla Townie (heh, no, not suspicious at all), or a mindbogglingly improbable third townie medium, yes? Are there any other? Only an enchanter (which could be either alignment!) or an alien survivor (which is also scum) have no night actions; even a war vet has a don't-shoot night action available.

Given that you volunteered "no night action", I say this is an utterly scummy VT fakeclaim, and you should hang. Proof: If you were a VT or an Enchanter (whose vote counts double), or indeed any possible "no night action" role in a role-heavy game, your only power would be in the day play; to find that scum through hunting and placing your vote carefully; others can be lackluster at this and still be somewhat useful because they have a night action, but a VT or Enchanter has no choice but to play a strong day game. Has your day game been strong? No, it has been abysmal. There's no chance in hell you have "no night action", which means your claim is fake and you are the scum who was prevented from killing last night.

Hang.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 11:50:20 pm

Zathras, what was the nature of the role block?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Toaster on November 19, 2010, 11:54:40 pm

Pandar:  Two things stick out to me with your last post.  First, you made a BS post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730964#msg1730964) in response to Zath voting you in the first place.  Only when he has an actual claim of hard evidence against you do you finally come out with a strong accusation, something you haven't done all day.  Second, of the four people who wanted to hear from you, there are three votes and one FOS.  Your accusation comes against the person being voted by the single FOS- you follow my vote on Kamina.  You're trying to convince me to keep my vote where it is.

Let's see how well that works...

Unvote.  Vote Pandarsenic.

Oops.  Not well at all.

Time to hang, dopp.

Kamina, we can work with you tomorrow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 12:11:55 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 11:30:20 pm

Zathras/Zathras' Replacement, since you're willing to reveal that Pandarsenic was roleblocked, what was the nature of the roleblock?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 11:50:20 pm

Zathras, what was the nature of the role block?

Okay, cool. A simple question, completely ignored.

Zathras is scum.

The flavor of Pandarsenic's role block is not the flavor of a Psychic Warden. Even though he thinks it's erroneous, I don't believe that it is. The only other explanation for the role block is a Stun Orb, which is a tech item only available to aliens.

Therefore, Zathras is an alien, I'm guessing on the Exterminator team.

Unvote.

Zathras. Pandarsenic could very well be a dopp and could very well have been roleblocked, but Zathras is guaranteed scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:18:59 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 19, 2010, 11:50:20 pm

Zathras, what was the nature of the role block?

It was a psychic block, as seen by his "dizzy, then sleep" flavour. It is not my time to roleclaim; it was good information, as confirmed by Pandar. What it means is up to each voter to decide, when added to his (or my) play D1 and D2. I do think his unprompted, voluntary claim of "no night actions" seals the case, though. There's no way that's not a fakeclaim.

PPE: Dude, you posted that 20 minutes ago, on a Friday night... itchy trigger finger much? What makes you think the flavour is not a warden's? But you vote who you wish.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 12:21:09 am

The Psychic Warden flavor is feeling restrained as if by invisible chains.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:25:53 am

[citation needed]

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 12:26:48 am

The chains thing is even in the Action PM of the person who does the block.

You are
            a liar.

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:25:53 am

[citation needed]

Nice try.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 12:38:06 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:25:53 am

[citation needed]

Since you asked.

Spoiler: Receiving Warden Block (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Mephansteras on May 24, 2010, 02:32:09 pm

  After scarfing down a sandwich you start gathering your things. You'll need to be careful if you're to discover what Solifuge is up to without him catching you at it.

  But as you start going through your drawer you feel a strange sensation. A tightening around you, as if invisible chains had wrapped themselves around you. You stand up and struggle against the chains, trying in vain to break the paralysis settling into your muscles. But it is no use. Your struggles grow weaker, and your thoughts begin to slow.

  Then, as you are slumping against your desk, you see the door open. You can only look on with bemusement as Jokerman steps through and rises an Uzi in your direction. The bullets barely even hurt, and your mind has slipped into darkness before you even hit the floor.

  You have died, and your soul slips off to limbo: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/e3ZygJ2vpRuY

Quote from: Mephansteras on April 22, 2010, 03:55:46 pm

  You wake up in the middle of the night with a pounding heart. You try to get up, but your body won't move! It feels as if you are bound in invisible chains binding you to your bed. You struggle for a bit, but it is no use. Eventually you fall back asleep and awaken in the morning with a splitting headache. You're pretty sure you won't be able to use your abilities this day, not with a headache like this!

Spoiler: Performing Warden Block (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 15, 2009, 05:07:48 pm

  You stare into the lantern in your tent, the small iron chain wound around your hands. Once again you settle down and drift into a trance, sending your thoughts through the ether until they latch onto the image of A_Fey_Dwarf. You envision him bound in chains, and then cast that vision into spirit world. After a bit you can feel the psychic energy wrap around your target, binding him and draining his energy. He will do nothing tonight.

  You awaken in the middle of the night to a ripping sound. You sit up and fumble for your lantern, but before you find it you feel a sharp pain in your neck. You grab your neck and try to scream, but all that comes out of your ruined through is bubbles and blood. You soon fade into darkness, never to wake again.

  Your spirit is now in limbo with the others: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/VkdhjdX4PMP

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 07, 2009, 06:10:53 pm

  You stare into the lantern in your tent, a small iron chain wound around your hands. Your mind drifts into the ether, and latches on to the image of Webadict. You envision him bound in chains, and then cast that vision into spirit world. After a bit you can feel the psychic energy wrap around your target, binding him and draining his energy. He will do nothing tonight.

You should do research into the role you want to fake claim before you do it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:42:12 am

Yes, the PM on the sending side did include visualisations of chains and binding; how he read it on the receiving side, I have no idea nor any control over it. To me it makes sense that it would make you sleepy, just as much as it makes sense that he is misreporting it as a screen... but I don't write the flavour. It was my word against his from the beginning, so vote your conscience; the record will show the truth.

It remains indisputably true that he was roleblocked the night the Dopps didn't kill, and that he tried to weasel out of it with a very flimsy fakeclaim. Make of the flavour what you will.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 12:44:51 am

I don't think anyone's going to believe you, especially since you didn't know that the Psychic Warden's flavor always includes descriptions of chains.

But seriously, nice try.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 20, 2010, 12:51:01 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 12:38:06 am

Quote from: Mephansteras on May 24, 2010, 02:32:09 pm

  After scarfing down a sandwich you start gathering your things. You'll need to be careful if you're to discover what Solifuge is up to without him catching you at it.

  But as you start going through your drawer you feel a strange sensation. A tightening around you, as if invisible chains had wrapped themselves around you. You stand up and struggle against the chains, trying in vain to break the paralysis settling into your muscles. But it is no use. Your struggles grow weaker, and your thoughts begin to slow.

  Then, as you are slumping against your desk, you see the door open. You can only look on with bemusement as Jokerman steps through and rises an Uzi in your direction. The bullets barely even hurt, and your mind has slipped into darkness before you even hit the floor.

  You have died, and your soul slips off to limbo: http://www.quicktopic.com/44/H/e3ZygJ2vpRuY

Hehe. I remember that night.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 12:51:25 am

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 07:26:16 pm

KaminaSquirtle: A mix of scumtell/nubtells, Spasticness, and what I'd have said is a NON-scumtell OMGUS. An OMGUS is most suspicious when it's hesitant. However, he IMMEDIATELY drops it when called on it... then puts an OMGUS on Ottofar. He then goes "Hey, ALL LURKERS ALL THE TIME works for Zathras, I should try it since I can't seem to actually make good attacks on players who do things!"

I know this is going to sound like a bit of a stretch, but I believe I'm onto something here.  Firstly, I can see how a townie would vote me.  I've done quite a stupid amount of things.

But, it seems that quite a few of the scummier people are voting me.  This leads me to believe that they want to lynch me.  This is understandable, I seem like an easy lynch at the moment.  However, here's the rub- every time I vote someone scummy, they can immediately say that I'm just OMGUSing.

Something feels off about this game.  Some people are mostly ignoring me, while others are practically tunneling me.  I just don't like it.  It seems like everywhere I turn, someone scummy is voting me, and not letting me get a chance to get any ideas off the ground.

In fact, I'm willing to bet if I unvoted Otto and voted you instead, someone would jump on me for OMGUSing, and tell me to stop waffling around, despite new evidence presenting itself.  I could see a accusation of bandwagoning too.

Where did you get this ALL LURKERS ALL THE TIME thing from?  I post a few posts about lurkers, and suddenly that's all I ever do?

I would vote you, but see below.

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Woah, I think you have something there Jim.
A most interesting development indeed.
So do you think Pandar is scum, and Zathras blocked him as exterminator, or that Pandar is innocent?
And if that was a morning kill, then the exterminator killed both Org and Cript.  I find that quite the interesting choice.  Quite strange, wasting an assassin bot on Org of all people.
But I suppose that's just a pile of WIFOM anyway.  Just seems a strange choice to me.


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Woah, that's some serious evidence.
I believe Pandar to be scum, but I'd rather lynch an Exterminator than a dopp.  From what I can tell exterminators are more dangerous than dopp, correct?
Unvote.
Vote Zathras.

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Argh this is crazy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:51:56 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 12:38:06 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:25:53 am

[citation needed]

Since you asked.

Thanks. Do note the bolded sections, and how Pandar wasn't very specific on his report:

Quote from: Paranormal 16

Quote from: Mephansteras on April 22, 2010, 03:55:46 pm

  You wake up in the middle of the night with a pounding heart. You try to get up, but your body won't move! It feels as if you are bound in invisible chains binding you to your bed. You struggle for a bit, but it is no use. Eventually you fall back asleep and awaken in the morning with a splitting headache. You're pretty sure you won't be able to use your abilities this day, not with a headache like this!

This sounds very much like "dizzy and sleep" thing from here:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 07:26:16 pm

Regarding being blocked, I've no night action, but received a PM about feeling dizzy then sleeping. I assumed it was the thing that blocks everyone or something initially, but seeing the deaths I figured Jokerman-EXE was just a bit fuzzy on how the Warden flavor works or something. It's fully possible there are two wardens, that the Dopps attempted to kill someone unable to be killed (possibly even crashing against the Exterminator's shield), etc.

If he claims he is not the Warden in question, and that he was told by someone else, that opens up even more possibilities (he's scum with them; he's scum who is "protecting someone's identity" and thus won't finger his source until I flip town, then he gets two townies lynched and perhaps even is an Advanced Dopp who'll replace someone at that point; he's gullible town being lied to by scum who wants him to take the fallout; etc.)
In other words, it's a bunch of WIFOM in the end anyway.

Even Pandar thinks it's a warden block. But again, vote your conscience.


PPE: Dude, I'm not going to post the PM. The data is out there, people will make their minds. The undisputed fact remains: Pandar was blocked the night the Dopps didn't kill, and he has admitted it. Then he tried to weasel out with a very flimsy claim. Make of it what you will.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 12:58:25 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:51:56 am

PPE: Dude, I'm not going to post the PM. The data is out there, people will make their minds. The undisputed fact remains: Pandar was blocked the night the Dopps didn't kill, and he has admitted it. Then he tried to weasel out with a very flimsy claim. Make of it what you will.

"Hey look, Pandar's dopp, go vote him instead!  It doesn't matter that I'm the exterminator."
It look to me like you're grasping at whatever straws you can to avoid getting lynched.  That makes you even more scummy.

Notice how Pandar said 'or something'.  He wasn't very sure, he just assumed it was warden.

The chains seem like a very distinct way of telling it was warden.  I think Pandar would have mention invisible chains.

Yeah, you're scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 01:00:58 am

Quote from: Jokerman-EXE on November 20, 2010, 12:51:01 am

Hehe. I remember that night.

Me too.

It was the night webadict was a huge dick about it the next day. That was a fun game.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 12:51:25 am

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Woah, I think you have something there Jim.
A most interesting development indeed.
So do you think Pandar is scum, and Zathras blocked him as exterminator, or that Pandar is innocent?
And if that was a morning kill, then the exterminator killed both Org and Cript.  I find that quite the interesting choice.  Quite strange, wasting an assassin bot on Org of all people.
But I suppose that's just a pile of WIFOM anyway.  Just seems a strange choice to me.


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Woah, that's some serious evidence.
I believe Pandar to be scum, but I'd rather lynch an Exterminator than a dopp.  From what I can tell exterminators are more dangerous than dopp, correct?
Unvote.
Vote Zathras.

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Argh this is crazy.

Of course I have something. I caught Zathras in a lie.

Pandarsenic could still be scum; he freely admitted that he was roleblocked and there was no dopp kill last night. But Zathras, like I said earlier, is guaranteed.

The Exterminator isn't necessarily more dangerous than the Dopps, but if we get rid of the Exterminator then we drop the nightly kill count from two to one, guaranteed. It's a good move, over all, since it slows down the game and let's us get a few more mislynches before lylo. But Zathras isn't necessarily the Exterminator, he probably just plays for the Exterminator team. Regardless, he should be lynched immediately.

And the Assassin Bot was likely used by a Human Military Scientist, considering that Org was filled with bullet holes instead of having charred cavities in his chest.

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:51:56 am

PPE: Dude, I'm not going to post the PM. The data is out there, people will make their minds. The undisputed fact remains: Pandar was blocked the night the Dopps didn't kill, and he has admitted it. Then he tried to weasel out with a very flimsy claim. Make of it what you will.

Your deflection is noted; please shut up.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 01:07:46 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 01:00:58 am

And the Assassin Bot was likely used by a Human Military Scientist, considering that Org was filled with bullet holes instead of having charred cavities in his chest.

Ah, that makes much more sense.  I hadn't considered that possibility.  That means the exterminator still has some pretty powerful tech left, and we should lynch him before he has the chance to use it.  More reason to vote Zathras.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 01:00:58 am

The Exterminator isn't necessarily more dangerous than the Dopps, but if we get rid of the Exterminator then we drop the nightly kill count from two to one, guaranteed. It's a good move, over all, since it slows down the game and let's us get a few more mislynches before lylo. But Zathras isn't necessarily the Exterminator, he probably just plays for the Exterminator team. Regardless, he should be lynched immediately.

Good point.
Dropping from two nks to one would be godsend.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 01:26:39 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 01:00:58 am

Of course I have something. I caught Zathras in a lie.
Pandarsenic could still be scum; he freely admitted that he was roleblocked and there was no dopp kill last night. But Zathras, like I said earlier, is guaranteed.

Far be it from me to free you from your delusion, but for the benefit of people who will catch up on this tomorrow, can you recap which lie you caught me on, that makes me, as you say, "guaranteed"? Is it failing to mention that the flavour included "chains", but that Pandar's (and Meph's from P16) did include dizziness and sleep? Or something else?

Also, please recap the sequence of events... I could only post once a day for a week, so when the day started, I noticed the Dopps didn't kill and that a scummy player had been roleblocked, so I, as the alien you say I am, immediately voted him and used my limited posting time to point out my night action results instead of laying low or talking about something else? And Kamina, you think that lynching me will eliminate a NK? If that was the case, wouldn't I have killed last night? Or did I both kill Cript/Org and block Pandar?

I'm not being defensive; lynch me if you think that's the best, but please do recap your arguments, because I think they are full of holes, and you are letting off the person convicted by the one piece of solid data that emerged.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 01:43:57 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 01:26:39 am

And Kamina, you think that lynching me will eliminate a NK? If that was the case, wouldn't I have killed last night? Or did I both kill Cript/Org and block Pandar?

You did kill last night.  You killed Cript.  Org was probably killed by a human military scientist assassin bot, as Jim said earlier.  I find it funny you didn't notice this, since he mentioned it in the post you quoted.

I was under the assumption that a Exterminator could nk and use tech in the same night.  Is that not correct?  If they can't, that changes things quite a bit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 01:56:41 am

Guys, lynch Pand. Zathras is a town Psychic Warden or the world's stupidest alien. Either way, lynching Pand is a much better use of time.

It's not possible for Zathras to be an alien with a Stun Orb. Think about it. The only alien that can get a Stun Orb without upgrading to the superior Stun Bomb is the Survivor. Why would a Survivor take a Stun Orb and blow it on the first night? And he can't be an Exterminator who used a Stun Orb, there was an Exterminator kill last night. Meph, please confirm to these idiots that using a Stun Orb counts as your whole night action (or change the role list to make it more clear).

And in any case, remember that the flavor last night was written by Jokerman instead of Meph. If there's minor inconsistencies, that'd be why.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 02:15:27 am

...that's a really good point.  I really should check who can get what before I vote them...
I'd like to point out that the Exterminator Operative could get a stun orb, but your other point is still good.
Why the hell would an exterminator aligned player want to roleblock a scum player?  That would prevent kills, which is definitely NOT what he wants.
And if that would count as his night action, then him being exterminator makes no sense.   He could be the operative, however.  I'd rather kill a dopp than a possible operative.
Good point about flavor being written by Jokerman too.
Once I see Meph confirm that using a Stun Orb counts as your night action, then I'll change my vote to pandar.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 02:49:23 am

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 01:56:41 am

Guys, lynch Pand. Zathras is a town Psychic Warden or the world's stupidest alien. Either way, lynching Pand is a much better use of time.

It's not possible for Zathras to be an alien with a Stun Orb. Think about it. The only alien that can get a Stun Orb without upgrading to the superior Stun Bomb is the Survivor. Why would a Survivor take a Stun Orb and blow it on the first night? And he can't be an Exterminator who used a Stun Orb, there was an Exterminator kill last night. Meph, please confirm to these idiots that using a Stun Orb counts as your whole night action (or change the role list to make it more clear).

And in any case, remember that the flavor last night was written by Jokerman instead of Meph. If there's minor inconsistencies, that'd be why.

A two member Exterminator team explains all discrepancies. With the multitiude of tech choices I can easily see Zathras and his partner grabbing a Stun Orb for the hell of it.

Flavor discrepancies because of J-EXE is a bullshit reason to ignore Zathras being lying scum. I mean, apparently J-EXE had the wherewithal to include chains on the sending end. Why not the receiving? Meph wouldn't have let inaccurate flavor get in his game.

You're defending Zathras, who's quite clearly a lying fakeclaimer, and you're trying to deflect suspicion and votes onto Pandarsenic, just the same as Zathras. You are Zathras' partner in the Exterminator team.

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 01:26:39 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 01:00:58 am

Of course I have something. I caught Zathras in a lie.
Pandarsenic could still be scum; he freely admitted that he was roleblocked and there was no dopp kill last night. But Zathras, like I said earlier, is guaranteed.

Far be it from me to free you from your delusion, but for the benefit of people who will catch up on this tomorrow, can you recap which lie you caught me on, that makes me, as you say, "guaranteed"? Is it failing to mention that the flavour included "chains", but that Pandar's (and Meph's from P16) did include dizziness and sleep? Or something else?

Also, please recap the sequence of events... I could only post once a day for a week, so when the day started, I noticed the Dopps didn't kill and that a scummy player had been roleblocked, so I, as the alien you say I am, immediately voted him and used my limited posting time to point out my night action results instead of laying low or talking about something else? And Kamina, you think that lynching me will eliminate a NK? If that was the case, wouldn't I have killed last night? Or did I both kill Cript/Org and block Pandar?

I'm not being defensive; lynch me if you think that's the best, but please do recap your arguments, because I think they are full of holes, and you are letting off the person convicted by the one piece of solid data that emerged.

Your first instinct when I told you about what the Psychic Warden flavor was was to not believe it. If you actually were a Psychic Warden Pandarsenic would've known he was blocked by one and you wouldn't have been surprised by it. You are clearly a liar and you will hang.

And yes, I can easily see that sequence of events playing out exactly like you say given how you are an alien. If you revealed that you blocked Pandarsenic, and he flipped scum, well, that would look pretty good for you, and you get a dopp lynch off. Good progress, if it worked. You not lying low or talking about something else is WIFOM.

I guess your request for a replacement is bullshit, just like everything else you've done this game. You're quite clearly motivated to post now that your scummy ass has been found out.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 03:55:43 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 02:49:23 am

A two member Exterminator team explains all discrepancies.

Yes, now you have two people conniving together to bring alive this vision of yours. That's not a stretch at all over the simpler explanation, is it? And if it were true, lynching me doesn't stop the exterminator NK, does it?

Quote

Flavor discrepancies because of J-EXE is a bullshit reason to ignore Zathras being lying scum. I mean, apparently J-EXE had the wherewithal to include chains on the sending end. Why not the receiving? Meph wouldn't have let inaccurate flavor get in his game.

You assume too much. Pandar didn't mention chains in his post, but why would he? He was on the defending end of the accusation, yes? It would be in his benefit to be as terse as possible. On the other side, I didn't mention them at first; to be honest, I didn't pay close attention to the flavour, all I retained from that moment three days ago was "roleblock success".

My not immediately remembering the specifics of the flavour is the cornerstone of your case, yes? This in a game variant I play for the first time, and at a time when I had trouble remembering the names of the players... Is this really what you are using to mark me as "guaranteed" liar?

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You're defending Zathras, who's quite clearly a lying fakeclaimer, and you're trying to deflect suspicion and votes onto Pandarsenic, just the same as Zathras. You are Zathras' partner in the Exterminator team.

You are fulfilling the same for Pandar (speaking of fakeclaimers), trying to deflect suspicion and votes from him to me. Using your argument, we must deduce you are Pandar's scumbuddy, yes? Your case against me hinges on your presumption that I lied about flavour, and even if I did, I wouldn't have a NK. The case against Pandar is much more solid: he has admitted he was blocked the night Dopps didn't kill, on top of his otherwise scummy play. Isn't lynching a dopp a better thing for town than a non-NK alien of whatever flavour you have me pegged as? Why are you defending Pandar so much?

Quote from: Jim

I guess your request for a replacement is bullshit, just like everything else you've done this game. You're quite clearly motivated to post now that your scummy ass has been found out.

No, it stands. I did say I'd continue to play as opportunity allows until a replacement is found, and I happen to be able to dedicate some of my Friday night to the game, if you don't mind. But I do expect to be just as busy next week as I was last week, and I don't like posting just once per day.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 03:58:48 am

So you think Pand is a Dopp, but we should lynch Zathras because he's an Exterminator? First off, why would an Exterminator take a fucking Stun Orb? This isn't even a "Shield + Big Tech ONLY" problem, this is more like why would anyone take a Stun Orb instead of a Stun Bomb? There isn't even any WIFOM in it, it's just stupid. Second off, lynching the Dopp is more important than the Exterminator. The Exterminator kills are likely to eventually hit a Dopp or two.

But ok, he's an Operative. Fine. We should still lynch the Dopp over an Op. The Op is even less important than the Dopp. Now I'm not saying with 100% certainty that Zathras isn't an Op, but I am saying it's more important to hit a Dopp than an Op. I find Pand's lurking combined with the claim to be enough to convince me he's a Dopp. That means I'm going to lynch him. Lynching off Zathras (which I am currently against, in case it sounds like I'm waffling) is irrelevant next to lynching the most likely Dopp player in the game.

I still say that Zathras is town, but we'll know soon enough. Either he blocks someone else or he doesn't. If he's an Op, he won't be able to block more than twice. We lynch him either Day 3 or Day 4. The reason I'm not worried about this at all is simply that the information will become available no matter what. I could worry and stress and whatever, but the fact remains that he'll either role-confirm himself or die. So why bother? And if he is an alien, he's a complete idiot.

In any case, Jim, what makes you so sure Zathras is an alien and why should we bypass a Dopp to lynch said alien?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2010, 04:26:33 am

Keep in mind that whether you believe both, one, or neither of us is scum, WE HAVE A VIGILANTE. He can simply shoot one of us at night.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 05:01:19 am

I was going to type up a big post responding to a bunch of specifics, but I'm tired.

All I really need to say is that I am completely fine with people lynching Pandarsenic over Zathras. This does not bug me in the least, since both of them are pretty much scum. I am just making sure that Zathras doesn't wiggle his way out of this by arguing hard against him and whatever crap he decides to spew.

So I'll respond to specifics tomorrow when I wake up. But there's one more thing I need to say.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2010, 04:26:33 am

Keep in mind that whether you believe both, one, or neither of us is scum, WE HAVE A VIGILANTE. He can simply shoot one of us at night.

Org's kill was an Assassin Bot, dumbass. The warm body  and the mention of it being recent is obviously indicative of a morning kill, which can only be performed by an Assassin Bot right now.

There is no Vigilante.

Also this sounds suspiciously like you are trying to bait a Vigilante kill.

Yeah, totally cool with you hanging, bro. It would probably be preferable if you're a dopp PWV.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 07:33:59 am

So, as I was saying, Janus, post-by-post.

#56 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702662#msg1702662): Starts driving a policy lynch on Org.
#59 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702696#msg1702696): Continues with the policy lynch.
#69 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702884#msg1702884): Policy lynch, because Org hasn't done anything useful. Hypocritical.
#71 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702916#msg1702916): Defends self.
#73 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702950#msg1702950): Policy lynch.
#77 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703079#msg1703079): "RVS Doesn't work. We should skip it."
#80 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703113#msg1703113): More anti-RVS.
#83 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703149#msg1703149): Policy lynch, based on Org doing nothing. Hypocritical.
#86 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703182#msg1703182): Defends self.
#90 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703232#msg1703232): Little policy lynch, little self-defence.
#151 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703768#msg1703768): Cancels policy lynch. Defends from Criptfeind. Weakly attacks SHAD0W.
#162 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703857#msg1703857): Attacks SHAD0W. No vote.

I'm gonna drop this half here, and finish it after dinner.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 09:34:08 am

#165 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703875#msg1703875): Defends the policy lynch and cancellation, lists possible scum, goes after lurkers. Votes Pandar.
#172 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703986#msg1703986): Claims only 40% of the posts've been about Org. Argues with Criptfeind.
#173 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703997#msg1703997): Defends the policy lynch.
#177 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704093#msg1704093): Argues with Cript.
#227 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705138#msg1705138): Attacks SHAD0W, votes. Claims again policy lynch was just to start conversation.
#244 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706016#msg1706016): Some Zoologist-theory. Calls Leafsnail for lurking.
#246 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706035#msg1706035): Questions Org about Kamina.
#248 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706057#msg1706057): Theorizing about SHAD0W rescuing Kamina.
#266 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706382#msg1706382): Answers Kamina's question about (nonexistent) buddying.
#300 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707990#msg1707990): Extend and Wall of text. Attacks some lurkers (Me and MBP) and SHAD0W.
#319 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709552#msg1709552): Wall of Text. Kinda empty.
(This is where the drowsiness is starting to kick in)
#346 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710568#msg1710568): Wall of Text. SHAD0W Here.
#349 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710873#msg1710873): Extension Objection.
#390 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728120#msg1728120): D2, Votes me. Otherwise quite empty.
#392 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728241#msg1728241): Weak attack on Leafsnail.
#394 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728309#msg1728309): Answers Leafsnail's question.
#396 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728412#msg1728412): Talks about flavor.
#418 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730256#msg1730256): More later.
#424 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731218#msg1731218): Goes after lurkers.
#426 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731283#msg1731283): "Do you want people to lurk?"
#430 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731413#msg1731413): Answers a question.
#433 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731829#msg1731829): Defends self a bit. Attacks Leaf weakly.
#440 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732753#msg1732753): Votes Pandarsenic.

So, the thing I said some time ago applies.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 09:35:24 am

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 03:56:44 pm

Anyways, in short, Janus was driving the policy lynch, but it didn't work out. He wouldn't back off, because someone could've said he just wanted to get a free lynch. Then he gets SHAD0W and Cript to vote for, and argues with Cript about the amount of the Org-concerning posts. Also, he was too friendly with Kamina, which is also suspicious.

This one, I mean.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2010, 09:58:09 am

Hmm, looks like I should clarify what does and does not use an action a bit more in the alien tech section. Stun Orbs/Bombs do NOT take up the alien's action for the night, if they have one.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 20, 2010, 12:01:01 pm

Oh. Well, unvote KaminaSquirtle and vote Zathras.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2010, 12:16:14 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
KaminaSquirtle: Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Mish
Ottofar: webadict
Pandarsenic: JanusTwoface, Mr.Person, Toaster, Zathras
Zathras: Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Pandarsenic

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 12:31:27 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 03:55:43 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 02:49:23 am

A two member Exterminator team explains all discrepancies.

Yes, now you have two people conniving together to bring alive this vision of yours. That's not a stretch at all over the simpler explanation, is it? And if it were true, lynching me doesn't stop the exterminator NK, does it?

Nope (I think, can the operative nk?), but it only takes two lynches to get rid of the exterminator team, rather than 4 to get rid of the dopp team.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 03:58:48 am

So you think Pand is a Dopp, but we should lynch Zathras because he's an Exterminator? First off, why would an Exterminator take a fucking Stun Orb? This isn't even a "Shield + Big Tech ONLY" problem, this is more like why would anyone take a Stun Orb instead of a Stun Bomb? There isn't even any WIFOM in it, it's just stupid. Second off, lynching the Dopp is more important than the Exterminator. The Exterminator kills are likely to eventually hit a Dopp or two.

The operative could.  Makes perfect sense.  And while the Exterminator may kill a dopp every once in a while, I won't pass up the chance to take one out before he's really used any tech.  Killing 1 large and 2 medium tech which are owned by someone anti-town is not an opportunity to pass up.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 03:58:48 am

But ok, he's an Operative. Fine. We should still lynch the Dopp over an Op. The Op is even less important than the Dopp. Now I'm not saying with 100% certainty that Zathras isn't an Op, but I am saying it's more important to hit a Dopp than an Op. I find Pand's lurking combined with the claim to be enough to convince me he's a Dopp. That means I'm going to lynch him. Lynching off Zathras (which I am currently against, in case it sounds like I'm waffling) is irrelevant next to lynching the most likely Dopp player in the game.

He doesn't have to be an op.  He said he knew that Pandar was rbed.  That doesn't mean he did it, his op buddy could have.  We can deal with Pandar tomorrow.  He will hang, eventually.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 03:58:48 am

I still say that Zathras is town, but we'll know soon enough. Either he blocks someone else or he doesn't. If he's an Op, he won't be able to block more than twice. We lynch him either Day 3 or Day 4. The reason I'm not worried about this at all is simply that the information will become available no matter what. I could worry and stress and whatever, but the fact remains that he'll either role-confirm himself or die. So why bother? And if he is an alien, he's a complete idiot.

In any case, Jim, what makes you so sure Zathras is an alien and why should we bypass a Dopp to lynch said alien?

Why should we let him use more of his tech?  He could have very powerful tech up his sleeves, I don't want to see him get the chance to use it.

Why so interested in the fate of Zathras, Mr. Person?  Why so eager to defend him?

My vote stays on Zathras.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 01:35:30 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 20, 2010, 09:58:09 am

Hmm, looks like I should clarify what does and does not use an action a bit more in the alien tech section. Stun Orbs/Bombs do NOT take up the alien's action for the night, if they have one.

loloops.

Meanwhile, Meph, can you confirm that the flavor that J-EXE wrote is accurate to the events that happened in the night? (Not that our interpretations of it are accurate, of course.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mephansteras on November 20, 2010, 01:42:52 pm

Jokerman did a pretty good job with the flavor, but it's not 100% consistent with how I would have written it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 01:48:52 pm

But there still shouldn't be any ambiguity in who did what, right? If a Psychic Warden blocked somebody, the person getting blocked would know it was a Psychic Warden.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on November 20, 2010, 03:44:26 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 20, 2010, 01:42:52 pm

Jokerman did a pretty good job with the flavor, but it's not 100% consistent with how I would have written it.

:(

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Argembarger on November 20, 2010, 04:28:31 pm

I have read, so far, between last night and right now, something like 180 pages of paranormal mafia.

Oh gog my poor brain. Maybe I shouldn't have archive-binged it, maybe I should've taken it a bit slower, stretched out the reading so it wasn't so intense.

But anyway,

Be back with opinions/lynchvote/something productive later.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 04:30:53 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 03:55:43 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 02:49:23 am

A two member Exterminator team explains all discrepancies.

Yes, now you have two people conniving together to bring alive this vision of yours. That's not a stretch at all over the simpler explanation, is it? And if it were true, lynching me doesn't stop the exterminator NK, does it?

Now it might. Since it is possible for you to be the Exterminator now you should be lynched as it is the quicker road to reducing the number of night kills.

And yes, a two member Exterminator team is a completely valid hypothesis at this point. And it seems to be supported by the fact that Mr.Person is really trying to not get you lynched. Now why is he doing that?

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 03:55:43 am

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Flavor discrepancies because of J-EXE is a bullshit reason to ignore Zathras being lying scum. I mean, apparently J-EXE had the wherewithal to include chains on the sending end. Why not the receiving? Meph wouldn't have let inaccurate flavor get in his game.

You assume too much. Pandar didn't mention chains in his post, but why would he? He was on the defending end of the accusation, yes? It would be in his benefit to be as terse as possible. On the other side, I didn't mention them at first; to be honest, I didn't pay close attention to the flavour, all I retained from that moment three days ago was "roleblock success".

My not immediately remembering the specifics of the flavour is the cornerstone of your case, yes? This in a game variant I play for the first time, and at a time when I had trouble remembering the names of the players... Is this really what you are using to mark me as "guaranteed" liar?

If you're suggesting that Pandarsenic conveniently ignored descriptions of chains in how he described the flavor perhaps you should go give him crap about it instead of offering it as a hypothetical explanation. Even if he's a dopp, I don't think he lied.

And you not remembering the specifics, or so you claim, is not the cornerstone, it's just powerful supporting evidence. You not knowing the flavor of your role is pretty good evidence that you're fakeclaiming. If, after I told you the Psychic Warden flavor includes chains, you had immediately mentioned that your flavor had included the chains instead of doing your [citation needed] thing, I would be more inclined to believe you. Buuuuuuuuuuut you didn't. Bad move, bro. Bad move.

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 03:55:43 am

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You're defending Zathras, who's quite clearly a lying fakeclaimer, and you're trying to deflect suspicion and votes onto Pandarsenic, just the same as Zathras. You are Zathras' partner in the Exterminator team.

You are fulfilling the same for Pandar (speaking of fakeclaimers), trying to deflect suspicion and votes from him to me. Using your argument, we must deduce you are Pandar's scumbuddy, yes? Your case against me hinges on your presumption that I lied about flavour, and even if I did, I wouldn't have a NK. The case against Pandar is much more solid: he has admitted he was blocked the night Dopps didn't kill, on top of his otherwise scummy play. Isn't lynching a dopp a better thing for town than a non-NK alien of whatever flavour you have me pegged as? Why are you defending Pandar so much?

It's one thing to utterly destroy your fakeclaim. It's another to speculate scenarios where you aren't an alien. I'm doing the former. Mr.Person is doing the latter. You are caught in an obvious lie and Mr.Person is doing his darnedest to see to it that you don't get lynched and Pandarsenic does. I couldn't care less what happens to Pandarsenic. Let the dopp hang.

Now that Meph has cleared up that the Exterminator can use a Stun Orb and the night kill you are becoming a much more favorable lynch.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 03:58:48 am

So you think Pand is a Dopp, but we should lynch Zathras because he's an Exterminator? First off, why would an Exterminator take a fucking Stun Orb? This isn't even a "Shield + Big Tech ONLY" problem, this is more like why would anyone take a Stun Orb instead of a Stun Bomb? There isn't even any WIFOM in it, it's just stupid. Second off, lynching the Dopp is more important than the Exterminator. The Exterminator kills are likely to eventually hit a Dopp or two.

Counting on crossfire is stupid. If Zathras is a likely Exterminator he should be lynched now to give us time. And WIFOM WIFOM WIFOM about the Stun Orb. If you and Zathras have a bazillion tech choices because he's an Exterminator and you're an Operative or the other way around, why not get the Stun Orb? It would help against things like PWVs.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 03:58:48 am

But ok, he's an Operative. Fine. We should still lynch the Dopp over an Op. The Op is even less important than the Dopp. Now I'm not saying with 100% certainty that Zathras isn't an Op, but I am saying it's more important to hit a Dopp than an Op. I find Pand's lurking combined with the claim to be enough to convince me he's a Dopp. That means I'm going to lynch him. Lynching off Zathras (which I am currently against, in case it sounds like I'm waffling) is irrelevant next to lynching the most likely Dopp player in the game.

I still say that Zathras is town, but we'll know soon enough. Either he blocks someone else or he doesn't. If he's an Op, he won't be able to block more than twice. We lynch him either Day 3 or Day 4. The reason I'm not worried about this at all is simply that the information will become available no matter what. I could worry and stress and whatever, but the fact remains that he'll either role-confirm himself or die. So why bother? And if he is an alien, he's a complete idiot.

This is all completely irrelevant now that Zathras can use both the Stun Orb and a nightkill. If it was a certainty that Zathras could not be the Exterminator then I would agree with you that a Pandarsenic lynch would be better. But that is not longer the case.

And how far you're going out of your way to make sure he doesn't get lynched is really making me think that he's the Exterminator and that you're the Operative. Don't want your night kill disappearing so easily I see.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 03:58:48 am

In any case, Jim, what makes you so sure Zathras is an alien and why should we bypass a Dopp to lynch said alien?

I seriously can't believe you asked me this.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 09:35:24 am

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 03:56:44 pm

Anyways, in short, Janus was driving the policy lynch, but it didn't work out. He wouldn't back off, because someone could've said he just wanted to get a free lynch. Then he gets SHAD0W and Cript to vote for, and argues with Cript about the amount of the Org-concerning posts. Also, he was too friendly with Kamina, which is also suspicious.

This one, I mean.

Linking all of JTF's posts, making a single comment about them, and then quoting yourself is not really a sufficient scum hunting contribution.

I despise it when people look like they're trying to do a lot of work and then say nothing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 04:38:01 pm

Yeah, I'm not good at saying things.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 04:46:14 pm

Do you have anything else besides... whatever this is supposed to be against JTF?

And don't say you'll have something tomorrow. Because we waited, what, several days for this? and it's pathetic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 04:57:58 pm

Not really. As I have stated, I'm quite bad at mafia.

Up to reply #227 I'd have voted him.

It started getting less scummy from somewhere there.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 05:13:34 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on November 20, 2010, 04:28:31 pm

I have read, so far, between last night and right now, something like 180 pages of paranormal mafia.

Oh gog my poor brain. Maybe I shouldn't have archive-binged it, maybe I should've taken it a bit slower, stretched out the reading so it wasn't so intense.

But anyway,

Be back with opinions/lynchvote/something productive later.

Yeah, reading a lot of mafia in quick succession will leave your mind one big piece of mush.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 04:57:58 pm

Not really. As I have stated, I'm quite bad at mafia.

Up to reply #227 I'd have voted him.

It started getting less scummy from somewhere there.

Surely you have something suspicious to go on?  That you can use to scumhunt?

Cause all you've been doing so far is trying to look useful without actually being useful.

Protip: Don't just comment on posts, ask questions about them.  It's their reactions that matter more than what they said in the first place.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 05:44:50 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 04:57:58 pm

Not really. As I have stated, I'm quite bad at mafia.

Up to reply #227 I'd have voted him.

It started getting less scummy from somewhere there.

So you basically have nothing then. Awesome. You made us wait forever and now you have no other suspicions.

Either you're a newbie or scum. The problem is that you're not a n00b, you've been 'playing' mafia games for a while now, but you've made no attempt to improve. This means it's perfectly fine to lynch you. If there wasn't an alien and a dopp higher in the queue I'd be voting for you.

Mysteriousbluepuppet, you're online right now. Get in here and post, and you better not say you haven't caught up. It's been days. Contribute or hang (eventually).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 08:45:38 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 12:31:27 pm

The operative could.  Makes perfect sense.  And while the Exterminator may kill a dopp every once in a while, I won't pass up the chance to take one out before he's really used any tech.  Killing 1 large and 2 medium tech which are owned by someone anti-town is not an opportunity to pass up.

Just noticed it's only one medium tech, but my point still stands.

Lurkers!  Come out and play!  Just because we have an exterminator and an alien to kill before you doesn't mean you can get away with lurking.  This means active lurkers too, Ottofar!

Seriously, I have the feeling only about half of the game has contributed this entire day.  This is not okay.  Lots of stuff has happened, comment on it!
Only Mr Person, Jim, Zathras, Pandar, and I have commented on this big Zathras/Pandar roleblocking thing going down.  I'd think more people would have something to say on the matter.

Ottofar: What is your opinion on Zathras being Exterminator?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Argembarger on November 20, 2010, 08:51:33 pm

On page 12 of the thread. Again.

ALMOST READY TO ACTUALLY PLAY, GAIZ.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Toaster on November 20, 2010, 10:27:07 pm

This took two reads to digest.

Does *anyone* doubt that Pandar is a dopp?  Seriously, anyone?  All he's done since my last post is move his vote to the other suspected person while contributing nothing to the discussion.  He's pretty much thrown in the towel here.  There's no reason he shouldn't be lynched.

As to whether we should lynch Zath first?   I say no.  His case is provable- if he's townie, he can block somebody, and the target can verify whether he was blocked or not.  Simple enough, and if his claim is crap, he hangs tomorrow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 10:49:25 pm

Very well. If Zathras actually is a Psychic Warden then he can block me tonight to prove his claim. Or, I dunno, he can block whoever he thinks is scum, and pray he gets lucky or his target doesn't lie about it.

Unvote Zathras. Pandarsenic.

I'm starting to suspect webadict and Leafsnail for their silence during this whole thing. webadict less, since the last time he was online was this morning, but he saw me accuse Zathras and bring out evidence. But Leafsnail has been online all day and is curiously silent.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 11:05:43 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 20, 2010, 10:27:07 pm

As to whether we should lynch Zath first?   I say no.  His case is provable- if he's townie, he can block somebody, and the target can verify whether he was blocked or not.  Simple enough, and if his claim is crap, he hangs tomorrow.

Excellent point.  We can test this.  If it doesn't turn out or he refuses to test it, then we lynch him.
Pandar, though, pretty much has no chance of redeeming himself.

Unvote.  Vote Pandarsenic.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:14:27 pm

You can probably blame procrastination.  Waiting until the last moment before making a post is something I often do.  "I'll make it a little later" seems to be a powerful force...

Unvote.  Pandarsenic.  The guy's scum.  He didn't even give a reason for his last vote, or an explanation of the flavour he received.

Incidentally, you should probably look at Kaminasquirtle's interactions with him over the last few pages.  As in, the passive defence without explaining why (attacking Zathras, pushing the potential exterminator angle), the chainsawing against Mr.Person and so on.  As if he weren't screaming newbscum enough already.

I eagerly await JTF's eventual response, which should be fairly amusing.

PPE:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 11:05:43 pm

Excellent point.  We can test this.  If it doesn't turn out or he refuses to test it, then we lynch him.
Pandar, though, pretty much has no chance of redeeming himself.

Unvote.  Vote Pandarsenic.

Quote from: Scumchat

Pandarsenic: Yeah, Kaminasquirtle, I think it's time for you to bus me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 11:20:30 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:14:27 pm

Unvote.  Pandarsenic.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:14:27 pm

Quote from: Scumchat

Pandarsenic: Yeah, Leafsnail, I think it's time for you to bus me.

This is fun.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 20, 2010, 11:39:58 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:14:27 pm

Incidentally, you should probably look at Kaminasquirtle's interactions with him over the last few pages.  As in, the passive defence without explaining why (attacking Zathras, pushing the potential exterminator angle), the chainsawing against Mr.Person and so on.  As if he weren't screaming newbscum enough already.

Excuse me, but what?  So if I start hunting scum, then I'm pulling a passive defense and chainsawing?  And if I'm not, then I'm scum for not scumhunting?  It's not my fault that someone acting scummy happened to be voting me.  Seriously, that isn't even considered a tell anymore.

Quote from: Mafiascum Wiki Chainsaw Defense Section

UPDATE: After further analysis, Tarhalindur has determined that the Chainsaw Defense is only trustworthy once the player defended has been revealed to be group scum (once the player defended is proved to be Mafia, any player that used Chainsaw Defense on the dead scum should be scrutinized). Otherwise, it is a null tell. Mutual Chainsaw Defense may, however, still be an outright scumtell; more research is required here.

I see what you're up to.  No matter what I do, it's scummy.  I'm probably pulling a chainsaw right now, amiright?
Seriously, you've backed me into a corner.  I can't think of one thing I can do right now that you wouldn't call scummy.  You seem more interested in lynching me than finding out whether I'm scum or not.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mr.Person on November 21, 2010, 12:28:16 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 20, 2010, 10:49:25 pm

Very well. If Zathras actually is a Psychic Warden then he can block me tonight to prove his claim. Or, I dunno, he can block whoever he thinks is scum, and pray he gets lucky or his target doesn't lie about it.

Unvote Zathras. Pandarsenic.

I'm starting to suspect webadict and Leafsnail for their silence during this whole thing. webadict less, since the last time he was online was this morning, but he saw me accuse Zathras and bring out evidence. But Leafsnail has been online all day and is curiously silent.

That was pretty much exactly what I was saying.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

No. You are bussing one of your teammates. JTF and KaminaSquirtle are not scum.

You seriously had nothing to say while this was happening? You seemed pretty damn interested to go after JTF and KaminaSquirtle earlier in the day, and suddenly you're not interested in the slightest about a possible fakeclaim?

Totally
          bogus.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 21, 2010, 12:28:16 am

That was pretty much exactly what I was saying.

I know. But I don't trust you.

...and it didn't really click until Toaster said it anyway.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 2 dances with the dead
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 02:14:10 am

Phew, ok, I'm here now. All caught up and hopefully good to go.

I guess I'll start with the questions asked of me that never got answered. Since, you know, I'm Eduren now and in no way Argembarger:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 09:43:54 pm

Eduren: If you were scum and your scum buddy was lurking what would you do and why?
After that, to each of you, ask at least one useful question to anyone in the game.

I don't think it would affect anything for me, because lurking doesn't seem very detrimental to scum.
That said, Mish, it's been a few days. And your only contribution was to not contribute and attack MBP for not contributing. It doesn't help that MBP also seems to be lurking pretty hard as well.

I'm not sure which one of you seems scummier to me, but I'm going to have to lean MBP on the grounds that Mish is (ever so slightly) more active than you, and you haven't actually responded to Mish's post. Also, it seems risky for scum to bring attention to lurking scum, so I feel like that clears Mish a little bit compared to you.

People saying they're gon' update "later tonight" but then don't? Shameful.

If nothing else, consider this vote and FOS a formal request (for both of you) to check in and say hello.

Oh, I guess my useful question would be, Mish, what do you think should happen to lurkers with no explanation? Policy-lynch because they are likely scum? That seems to be the general vibe around here, do you agree, y/n?

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:28:26 pm

Eduren, what have you contributed to this game?

My awesome, superior past self? Not too much, I guess, since he ended up becoming the highly inferior version you now see before you.

But my trawling and reading through the thread multiple times revealed speculation on the nature of the game, roles and spore spreaders (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703379#msg1703379) and some solid, rational scumhunting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709666#msg1709666). And then a bunch of inactivity. And then leaving. And then I show up!

But basically, when Eduren did post, it was helpful, constructive posts.

Anyway, everyone's dogpiling Pandar, so while we wait for him to come back and defend himself or get lynched on Monday or whatever, I shall use this time to analyze/flush out some lurkers. I feel like there's gotta be scum hidden back there.

AKA Mish & MBP, why should I suspect the other over you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Ottofar on November 21, 2010, 03:50:46 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

No. You are bussing one of your teammates. JTF and KaminaSquirtle are not scum.

Hm. Why so sure?
Kamina. Not sure, since Jokerman wrote the flavor. We'll see tomorrow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 04:01:02 am

Because he's going after people I think are town for utterly idiotic reasons that don't make any sense and he's also completely ignoring actual scumminess. Well, so long as that scumminess has to do with his partners.

He completely avoided talking about Pandarsenic in any capacity until he was prompted to do so. Go look. At around page 30 up to here, nothing from him, and this is important stuff to be talking about. This is not the behavior of someone who is town, but rings dead true for somebody who didn't want to throw in the towel and bus his partner until the very last second.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 11:26:09 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 21, 2010, 12:28:16 am

That was pretty much exactly what I was saying.

I know. But I don't trust you.

...and it didn't really click until Toaster said it anyway.

Pretty much this.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 02:14:10 am

Phew, ok, I'm here now. All caught up and hopefully good to go.

I guess I'll start with the questions asked of me that never got answered. Since, you know, I'm Eduren now and in no way Argembarger:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 09:43:54 pm

Eduren: If you were scum and your scum buddy was lurking what would you do and why?
After that, to each of you, ask at least one useful question to anyone in the game.

I don't think it would affect anything for me, because lurking doesn't seem very detrimental to scum.
That said, Mish, it's been a few days. And your only contribution was to not contribute and attack MBP for not contributing. It doesn't help that MBP also seems to be lurking pretty hard as well.

I'm not sure which one of you seems scummier to me, but I'm going to have to lean MBP on the grounds that Mish is (ever so slightly) more active than you, and you haven't actually responded to Mish's post. Also, it seems risky for scum to bring attention to lurking scum, so I feel like that clears Mish a little bit compared to you.

People saying they're gon' update "later tonight" but then don't? Shameful.

If nothing else, consider this vote and FOS a formal request (for both of you) to check in and say hello.

Oh, I guess my useful question would be, Mish, what do you think should happen to lurkers with no explanation? Policy-lynch because they are likely scum? That seems to be the general vibe around here, do you agree, y/n?

Lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers.
You say lurking isn't detrimental to scum, then make all of your FoSes/Votes based on lurking.
Don't do a Zathras, please?

On lynching lurkers: I say do it if we have no other leads.  Right now we have leads all over the place.  We have people to lynch before lurkers.  We shouldn't give them a free pass, but I don't think they would be a good lynch right now.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 02:14:10 am

Quote from: webadict on November 17, 2010, 06:28:26 pm

Eduren, what have you contributed to this game?

My awesome, superior past self? Not too much, I guess, since he ended up becoming the highly inferior version you now see before you.

But my trawling and reading through the thread multiple times revealed speculation on the nature of the game, roles and spore spreaders (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703379#msg1703379) and some solid, rational scumhunting (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709666#msg1709666). And then a bunch of inactivity. And then leaving. And then I show up!

But basically, when Eduren did post, it was helpful, constructive posts.

Anyway, everyone's dogpiling Pandar, so while we wait for him to come back and defend himself or get lynched on Monday or whatever, I shall use this time to analyze/flush out some lurkers. I feel like there's gotta be scum hidden back there.

AKA Mish & MBP, why should I suspect the other over you?

It's not like voting Pandar is going to hammer him.  You seem to be glossing over this entire Zathras Pandarsenic thing.  I don't like it.  It's still this lurker stuff.

What are your views on Pandar/Zathras?  How could Pandar defend himself well enough to convince you of him not being scum?

Quote from: Ottofar on November 21, 2010, 03:50:46 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

No. You are bussing one of your teammates. JTF and KaminaSquirtle are not scum.

Hm. Why so sure?
Kamina. Not sure, since Jokerman wrote the flavor. We'll see tomorrow.

Do you have anything to say other than 'Well, this person looks scummy.  I'm just going to sit here and apply no pressure.'  Seriously, you're still voting me, but have done nothing to pressure me.  Would you care to reiterate your case?
And please don't do thing you did with Janus.  That thing was one big pile of useless.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Zathras on November 21, 2010, 12:39:54 pm

Goooood Morning Vietnam!

What's this? Movement on the eastern front? I'll have some words about it no doubt! But first, since I woke up to this:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 11:26:09 am

Lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers.
You say lurking isn't detrimental to scum, then make all of your FoSes/Votes based on lurking.
Don't do a Zathras, please?

On lynching lurkers: I say do it if we have no other leads.  Right now we have leads all over the place.  We have people to lynch before lurkers.  We shouldn't give them a free pass, but I don't think they would be a good lynch right now.

Yes, one way or another either Pandar or I are hanging today, and that's as it should be. But we MUST, always, pursue the lurkers. Not instead of others, but in addition to. Hunt them to their cave, hound them out, and bark and bite at them. Lurkers are the bane of our existence, and must be called to account for their actions or lack thereof. Sure, they won't hang today, and it's a perfectly good question to ask them their opinion of what has transpired, but don't lash at those who lash at them. They do so for your benefit. A lurky game is a failed game; a game where scum lurk to victory is not a satisfying one, even for them; a lurky player is always a scummy player. Yell at them until they come! and if they don't, like Mish, and webadict, and MBP, hang them (eventually); and if they do, but with with active-lurking lame posts, like Ottofar or Pandar, hang them too!


Sorry, just had to interject. More reasoned summarised account on the whole Pandar-blocking thing will come later today, but I was working on the new LurkerTracker (coming up, but won't include these two posts) while I saw this, so I had to respond.


PS: Meph: Given the relative volume of other posters, and that I'm not likely to survive to tomorrow anyway, I withdraw my replacement request for now. If Day Three comes, and I'm still busy (and alive), we'll talk, but in the mean time, it seems that one half-thought post per day is par for the course these days.... shame, but I'll ride the mediocrity train if you let me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mephansteras on November 21, 2010, 12:40:26 pm

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Mish
Ottofar: webadict
Pandarsenic: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Leafsnail, Mr.Person, Toaster, Zathras
Zathras: Pandarsenic

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 12:55:20 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 21, 2010, 12:39:54 pm

Yes, one way or another either Pandar or I are hanging today, and that's as it should be. But we MUST, always, pursue the lurkers. Not instead of others, but in addition to. Hunt them to their cave, hound them out, and bark and bite at them. Lurkers are the bane of our existence, and must be called to account for their actions or lack thereof. Sure, they won't hang today, and it's a perfectly good question to ask them their opinion of what has transpired, but don't lash at those who lash at them. They do so for your benefit. A lurky game is a failed game; a game where scum lurk to victory is not a satisfying one, even for them; a lurky player is always a scummy player. Yell at them until they come! and if they don't, like Mish, and webadict, and MBP, hang them (eventually); and if they do, but with with active-lurking lame posts, like Ottofar or Pandar, hang them too!

The issue isn't attacking lurkers, it is attacking lukers and no one else.  It was his first real post in his first game, so I'm going to give him slack for that.  However, I will point it out.  It isn't enough to warrant even a FoS, but I felt it was enough for a post.

Also, pressure.  I want to get a read on him.

Zathras: Would you be willing to go through with blocking someone town agrees on you to block to prove your innocence?  If not, you'd better have a damn good reason not to.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:00:15 pm

Lol, wat?
My computer just BSOD'd.
First time ever.
All I was doing was posting a reply to Kamina and listening to some Homestuck muzak.
Is... is this normal? Is Mafia cursed?

Now I have to retype this; goody.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 11:26:09 am

Lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers lurkers.
You say lurking isn't detrimental to scum, then make all of your FoSes/Votes based on lurking.
Don't do a Zathras, please?

On lynching lurkers: I say do it if we have no other leads.  Right now we have leads all over the place.  We have people to lynch before lurkers.  We shouldn't give them a free pass, but I don't think they would be a good lynch right now.

I see no contradictions there. Lurking is good for scum and bad for town, generally, right? So what's wrong with voting/FoSing lurkers? At worst, it gets them prodded, or gets them to participate/replace, and at best, it reveals scum hiding in the shadows.

And yeah, we do have people to lynch before lurkers; but it looks like the town is doing just that. Lynching. I see a massive horn-pile of votes over there for Pandar, and plenty of suspicion elsewhere, but MPH and Mish are getting off relatively easy, and I don't like it.

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It's not like voting Pandar is going to hammer him.  You seem to be glossing over this entire Zathras Pandarsenic thing.  I don't like it.  It's still this lurker stuff.

What are your views on Pandar/Zathras?  How could Pandar defend himself well enough to convince you of him not being scum?

Well, according to da rulez, the day ends when everyone has voted, right? So wherever I place my vote, it progresses towards Pandar getting hammered. So why should I waste my vote by throwing it on the huge pile of foregone conclusions when I can toss it at some lurkers and try to force them out of their hidey-holes?

I didn't really mention the whole Zathras-Pandarsenic situation because it seems like it's already been gone over with a microscope, tweezers and a steady hand. Zathras can potentially prove his role, Pandar has yet to prove anything or contribute. They both seem kind of scummy, one of them is getting lynched today. How shall I add to that? Other than my n00bish opinion, all the facts seem to be out on the table.

How can Pandar defend himself well enough to convince me that he isn't scum? If I knew the answer to that, I'd be a natural Mafia expert :P

But he seems guilty of the same thing that I suspect MBP and Mish of: Lurking and not contributing. The only difference here is that the entire town is going after Pandar at this point.

I'll just attack the lurkers I can see who are getting by without too much fuss, in the meantime.

Oh, uh, noticing the whiteboard I thought I definitely voted for MBP in my post, but...

vote MPB

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
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Leafsnail has posted 20 times; the last on: 2010/11/20 23:23, 11 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702642#msg1702642)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702897#msg1702897)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705211#msg1705211)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708509#msg1708509)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708663#msg1708663)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708777#msg1708777)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1711610#msg1711610)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727647#msg1727647)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727691#msg1727691)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727741#msg1727741)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727773#msg1727773)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728202#msg1728202)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728275#msg1728275)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729895#msg1729895)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730082#msg1730082)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730169#msg1730169)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731264#msg1731264)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733660#msg1733660)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736511#msg1736511)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736526#msg1736526)
Mephansteras has posted 21 times; the last on: 2010/11/20 13:42, 21 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702622#msg1702622)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702658#msg1702658)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703320#msg1703320)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703448#msg1703448)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704923#msg1704923)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706324#msg1706324)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706337#msg1706337)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707076#msg1707076)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707846#msg1707846)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708012#msg1708012)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708900#msg1708900)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709156#msg1709156)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710085#msg1710085)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1712455#msg1712455)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1724920#msg1724920)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727605#msg1727605)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729813#msg1729813)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733888#msg1733888)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1734950#msg1734950)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1735160#msg1735160)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1735328#msg1735328)
Mish has posted 15 times; the last on: 2010/11/18 22:29, 60 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702868#msg1702868)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703103#msg1703103)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703122#msg1703122)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704928#msg1704928)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706758#msg1706758)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708849#msg1708849)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709381#msg1709381)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709755#msg1709755)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709767#msg1709767)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709779#msg1709779)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709790#msg1709790)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709794#msg1709794)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709862#msg1709862)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1712251#msg1712251)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731321#msg1731321)
Mr.Person has posted 16 times; the last on: 2010/11/21 00:28, 10 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703216#msg1703216)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704200#msg1704200)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705426#msg1705426)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705680#msg1705680)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706575#msg1706575)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706659#msg1706659)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707759#msg1707759)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707835#msg1707835)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731816#msg1731816)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731964#msg1731964)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733599#msg1733599)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733608#msg1733608)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733765#msg1733765)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1734489#msg1734489)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1734613#msg1734613)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736632#msg1736632)
Mysteriousbluepuppet has posted 9 times; the last on: 2010/11/18 10:20, 72 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703062#msg1703062)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703839#msg1703839)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703851#msg1703851)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703853#msg1703853)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706905#msg1706905)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727793#msg1727793)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727824#msg1727824)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727837#msg1727837)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729569#msg1729569)
Nonplayer has posted 2 times; the last on: 2010/11/10 23:21, 251 hours ago. Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706314#msg1706314)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706330#msg1706330)
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Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
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Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 01:06:00 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

No. You are bussing one of your teammates. The guy who still hasn't posted anything at all about Pandarsenic and the guy who blatantly chainsaw defended him are not scum.

Uhuh.  Your logic is... interesting?  Or should I say completely fucking retarded?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

You seriously had nothing to say while this was happening? You seemed pretty damn interested to go after JTF and KaminaSquirtle earlier in the day, and suddenly you're not interested in the slightest about a possible fakeclaim?

Procrastination is not a scumtell, it's just a personality tell.  I often wait until I'm about to go to bed to post ("Meh, I'll respond a little later") in the same way I often wait to do my homework at the last minute (not something I'd recommend >.>).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:11:23 pm

Oh, p.s. to everyone, even though this is my first game just treat me like you would anyone else.

It bothers me when people go easy on me in games just because I'm new. A trial by fire is much more effective for my skill than a trial by kittens and bunnies.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

Whoo, managed to tell the girl I'm derp for how I feel without screwing up our friendship.

And yeah, don't lynch Zathras - on further thought it was probably just a mistake by Jow.

Fun fact: You can call me a lurker all you want but I've posted more than several players. D:<

Unvote.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 01:30:27 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:00:15 pm

Lol, wat?
My computer just BSOD'd.
First time ever.
All I was doing was posting a reply to Kamina and listening to some Homestuck muzak.
Is... is this normal? Is Mafia cursed?

Now I have to retype this; goody.

Yep, every time you write a long post, something happens to make it disappear.  It happened to me an unreal amount of times in the last BM.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:00:15 pm

I see no contradictions there. Lurking is good for scum and bad for town, generally, right? So what's wrong with voting/FoSing lurkers? At worst, it gets them prodded, or gets them to participate/replace, and at best, it reveals scum hiding in the shadows.

And yeah, we do have people to lynch before lurkers; but it looks like the town is doing just that. Lynching. I see a massive horn-pile of votes over there for Pandar, and plenty of suspicion elsewhere, but MPH and Mish are getting off relatively easy, and I don't like it.

But everyone always points out lurkers.  You voted them yourself.  So lurking doesn't really help scum, does it?  It doesn't help anyone.  My issue was with you saying it wouldn't hurt scum.  But if one of the lurkers is scum, you just hurt them.

We can get back to them when we have our top suspects lynched.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:00:15 pm

Well, according to da rulez, the day ends when everyone has voted, right? So wherever I place my vote, it progresses towards Pandar getting hammered. So why should I waste my vote by throwing it on the huge pile of foregone conclusions when I can toss it at some lurkers and try to force them out of their hidey-holes?

Nope.  Day ends at a specified time, irregardless of who voted when.
But Pandar is getting lynched anyway, as you pointed out.  I just wanted to make sure you won't avoiding him to avoid bussing.  That seems unlikely now.
I guess I'm fine with you voting lurkers now, I just to see more than lurkers from you in the future.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:00:15 pm

How can Pandar defend himself well enough to convince me that he isn't scum? If I knew the answer to that, I'd be a natural Mafia expert :P

But he seems guilty of the same thing that I suspect MBP and Mish of: Lurking and not contributing. The only difference here is that the entire town is going after Pandar at this point.

I'll just attack the lurkers I can see who are getting by without too much fuss, in the meantime.

Oh, uh, noticing the whiteboard I thought I definitely voted for MBP in my post, but...

vote MPB

My point is he can't.  So he should be lynched.  End of story.

Pandar has more on him than lurking though.  He was rbed the night dopps didn't kill.  That sounds like evidence to me, especially combined with all the lurking.

You did vote him, I guess Meph just missed it.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 01:06:00 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

No. You are bussing one of your teammates. The guy who still hasn't posted anything at all about Pandarsenic and the guy who blatantly chainsaw defended him are not scum.

Uhuh.  Your logic is... interesting?  Or should I say completely fucking retarded?

You don't need to post something about someone to chainsaw defend them.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

Whoo, managed to tell the girl I'm derp for how I feel without screwing up our friendship.

And yeah, don't lynch Zathras - on further thought it was probably just a mistake by Jow.

Fun fact: You can call me a lurker all you want but I've posted more than several players. D:<

Unvote.

Ahahaha.  Waffling around now.  Yeah, you're scum and have thrown in the towel.

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:43:00 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on April 29, 2009, 09:04:10 pm

Days will last for 48 hours or until everyone has voted (if there is a long period of inactivity after everyone votes I'll end the day to keep things moving).

I read that as "once everyone has cast a vote, the day insta-ends". Ah well, whatever.


Nice defense there Pandar, you're a natural lawyer...
Yeah, scum is surely dying tonight.

One thing that bothers me is that everyone that died D1/N1 was human, and a lot of people died. I'm not too familiar with the ratios needed for MyLo/LyLo, but this seems kind of bad. Can someone explain the situation for me? It kind of feels like we've already lost, especially if there's like 3 aliens or something crazy like that. Are we already outnumbered? Sorry for the noobquestions.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 01:55:29 pm

Well, if there's no non-exterminator hostile aliens, then we have 4 dopps and 8 humans and the exterminator left.  Not too bad.  It gets worse with more enemy aliens, though.
All we know is that there are 13 total players left, 4 of which are dopp and of which is an exterminator.  We don't know about any other anti-town third parties, but I do know that if they exist they are also anti scum.  The exterminator may also kill scum.  There could also be powerful town power roles too.

Remember if dopps get too powerful, then third parties will have to kill them instead of town so they don't win.

We still have plenty of chance left.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 01:06:00 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

No. You are bussing one of your teammates. The guy who still hasn't posted anything at all about Pandarsenic and the guy who blatantly chainsaw defended him are not scum.

Uhuh.  Your logic is... interesting?  Or should I say completely fucking retarded?

Argument fail. JTF hasn't been online to post about it. And if you're going to use my line against you against him, I'm going to point out that webadict has done the exact same thing as you. He's even online right now, and there's not a thing coming from him. Peas in a pod, the three of you.

KaminaSquirtle is active and interested in finding scum. You are not. He is town, you are scum.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 01:06:00 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

You seriously had nothing to say while this was happening? You seemed pretty damn interested to go after JTF and KaminaSquirtle earlier in the day, and suddenly you're not interested in the slightest about a possible fakeclaim?

Procrastination is not a scumtell, it's just a personality tell.  I often wait until I'm about to go to bed to post ("Meh, I'll respond a little later") in the same way I often wait to do my homework at the last minute (not something I'd recommend >.>).

I don't believe you. You didn't procrastinate to throw crap at JTF and KaminaSquirtle when the opportunity arose. Your explanation is inconsistent with how you have acted.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:00:15 pm

I didn't really mention the whole Zathras-Pandarsenic situation because it seems like it's already been gone over with a microscope, tweezers and a steady hand. Zathras can potentially prove his role, Pandar has yet to prove anything or contribute. They both seem kind of scummy, one of them is getting lynched today. How shall I add to that? Other than my n00bish opinion, all the facts seem to be out on the table.

How can Pandar defend himself well enough to convince me that he isn't scum? If I knew the answer to that, I'd be a natural Mafia expert :P

But he seems guilty of the same thing that I suspect MBP and Mish of: Lurking and not contributing. The only difference here is that the entire town is going after Pandar at this point.

Pandarsenic is guilty of a lot more than just lurking and not contributing. Zathras claimed to have blocked him last night, and there was no dopp night kill.

That's pretty potent evidence that Pandarsenic is scum.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:11:23 pm

Oh, p.s. to everyone, even though this is my first game just treat me like you would anyone else.

It bothers me when people go easy on me in games just because I'm new. A trial by fire is much more effective for my skill than a trial by kittens and bunnies.

I will be more than happy to oblige your request.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 02:29:00 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 01:06:00 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:08:40 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:23:39 pm

So... I'm bussing three of my teammates now?

No. You are bussing one of your teammates. The guy who still hasn't posted anything at all about Pandarsenic and the guy who blatantly chainsaw defended him are not scum.

Uhuh.  Your logic is... interesting?  Or should I say completely fucking retarded?

Read this wrong.  That's what I get for reading posts quickly.
I thought Jim was accusing you of not saying anything about Pandar and chainsaw defending him, not you inserting stuff.
Regardless, you're just grasping at straws and making shit up now.  I was in no way chainsaw defending Pandar.  I mentioned multiple times I thought he was scum.

Seriously, man, you're making quite obvious now you just want me lynched, regardless of whether I'm scum or town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 04:58:21 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

Argument fail. JTF hasn't been online to post about it.

Which makes him town...?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

And if you're going to use my line against you against him, I'm going to point out that webadict has done the exact same thing as you. He's even online right now, and there's not a thing coming from him. Peas in a pod, the three of you.

Jesus, Jim, have you hit your head against something recently?  Like, really hard?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

KaminaSquirtle is active and interested in finding scum. You are not. He is town, you are scum.

:o

Seriously?  The guy who defends Pandarsenic until the last possible moment then "Oh wait lol he needs to get lynched" and who was and is dropping blatant newbscum tells... is town?

Fucking hell.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

I don't believe you. You didn't procrastinate to throw crap at JTF and KaminaSquirtle when the opportunity arose. Your explanation is inconsistent with how you have acted.

It's weird you should say this, because I did.  For instance, I made this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733660#msg1733660) at a bit past midnight, and this one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731264#msg1731264) at 3am.  In other words, as late as possible... so procrastinating.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 02:29:00 pm

Regardless, you're just grasping at straws and making shit up now.  I was in no way chainsaw defending Pandar.  I mentioned multiple times I thought he was scum.

Definition of chainsaw defence: attacking someone's attackers in order to try and lessen the chance of them being lynched, while at the same time remaining disconnected from them.

In this case, you also did as much as you could to press a Zathras lynch, blindly following (buddying?) Jim.  You seem to be saying "Pandarsenic is a dopp, but we should ignore him".  Oh, and the whole operativelol  deal (presumably to try and get rid of a strong town PR).

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 02:29:00 pm

Seriously, man, you're making quite obvious now you just want me lynched, regardless of whether I'm scum or town.

I just want you lynched, BECAUSE you're scum, and have been ridiculously obvious for ages.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 05:45:18 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 04:58:21 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

I don't believe you. You didn't procrastinate to throw crap at JTF and KaminaSquirtle when the opportunity arose. Your explanation is inconsistent with how you have acted.

It's weird you should say this, because I did.  For instance, I made this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733660#msg1733660) at a bit past midnight, and this one (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731264#msg1731264) at 3am.  In other words, as late as possible... so procrastinating.

I'm Leafsnail. I posted pretty frequently right up until Zathras said he blocked Pandarsenic. Look at my posts for Day 2! (Up to where I claim I was "procrastinating".) #1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727647#msg1727647) #2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727691#msg1727691) #3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727741#msg1727741) #4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727773#msg1727773) #5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728202#msg1728202) #6 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728275#msg1728275) #7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729895#msg1729895) #8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730082#msg1730082) #9 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730169#msg1730169) #10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731264#msg1731264)

Man, I was pretty active right up until that point! I was posting several times a day. I wonder what happened? Now I'm interested in posting again, for some confusing reason. It almost certainly has nothing to do with Jim Groovester calling me out on my silence about Pandarsenic or me defending myself about it.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 04:58:21 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

Argument fail. JTF hasn't been online to post about it.

Which makes him town...?

Don't be retarded. If JTF isn't available to post, then it's not suspicious for him to be quiet. He has an excuse.

If we're going to make this about who commented on what when, he beat you to Pandarsenic by several days, before he went missing. I dunno, Leafsnail, even in his absence he's doing better than you.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 04:58:21 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

KaminaSquirtle is active and interested in finding scum. You are not. He is town, you are scum.

:o

Seriously?  The guy who defends Pandarsenic until the last possible moment then "Oh wait lol he needs to get lynched" and who was and is dropping blatant newbscum tells... is town?

Fucking hell.

Yep.

Bullshit chainsaw defense accusations don't really mean much to active and interested participation and contributions.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 05:54:30 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 05:45:18 pm

I'm Leafsnail. I posted pretty frequently right up until Zathras said he blocked Pandarsenic. Look at my posts for Day 2! (Up to where I claim I was "procrastinating".) #1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727647#msg1727647) #2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727691#msg1727691) #3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727741#msg1727741) #4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727773#msg1727773) #5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728202#msg1728202) #6 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728275#msg1728275) #7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729895#msg1729895) #8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730082#msg1730082) #9 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730169#msg1730169) #10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731264#msg1731264)

Included among those are two at two in the morning, one at 3 in the morning.  Which basically shows that, as I say, I sometimes procrastinate until the last minute to post.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 05:45:18 pm

Don't be retarded. If JTF isn't available to post, then it's not suspicious for him to be quiet. He has an excuse.

If we're going to make this about who commented on what when, he beat you to Pandarsenic by several days, before he went missing. I dunno, Leafsnail, even in his absence he's doing better than you.

He "beat me to Pandarsenic" in the sense that "He randomly pokes people very gently on a regular cycle".

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 05:45:18 pm

Yep.

Bullshit chainsaw defense accusations don't really mean much to active and interested participation and contributions.

Ok, you're scum.  Good to know.

We have a full team: Pandarsenic, Janus, KaminaSquirtle and Jim.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 04:58:21 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 02:16:02 pm

KaminaSquirtle is active and interested in finding scum. You are not. He is town, you are scum.

:o

Seriously?  The guy who defends Pandarsenic until the last possible moment then "Oh wait lol he needs to get lynched" and who was and is dropping blatant newbscum tells... is town?

Fucking hell.

I said on multiple occasions that I THOUGHT PANDAR WAS SCUM.  I WAS NOT DEFENDING HIM.  HOW DO YOU NOT GET THIS?
I figured that killing an exterminator before a dopp was a good idea.
When I realized we could test whether Zath was an exterminator for sure, then I decided it would be better to lynch the dopp, then see if Zath an exterminator.
What the hell is scummy about that?

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Definition of chainsaw defence: attacking someone's attackers in order to try and lessen the chance of them being lynched, while at the same time remaining disconnected from them.

In this case, you also did as much as you could to press a Zathras lynch, blindly following (buddying?) Jim.  You seem to be saying "Pandarsenic is a dopp, but we should ignore him".  Oh, and the whole operativelol  deal (presumably to try and get rid of a strong town PR).

Yet Zathras was looking scummy as hell in his own right.  He wasn't really attacking Pandar at all.  He voted him, but that was to get himself not lynched.
It's not a chainsaw.  It's finding someone scummy, and pressing them on that.  Every time I find something scummy, it's a chainsaw.  Every time I don't, it's a waffling and not finding anyone suspicious.

I am in favor of a Pandar lynch.  I would not have prostested his lynch, ever.
I just thought it would be a better idea to lynch an exterminator than a dopp.  It is a better idea.  I had not realized that we could test whether Zathras was a exterminator.  So, we should do that, unless he refuses, in which he better have a damn good reason, or he gets my vote.

The operative deal was perfectly legitimate.  There is no reason there couldn't be an exterminator operator and an exterminator.  It's still a possbility.

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I just want you lynched, BECAUSE you're scum, and have been ridiculously obvious for ages.

Then why do so many other players disagree with you on that, if it's so obvious?
You refuse to show why I'm scum, yet you find me so much scum that you seem unable to attack anyone but JTF and I.

Oh wait, I get how you think!  Isn't it something like this?

Look at Leafsnail.  He's obviously chainsawing Jim and I, to defend Zathras.  He's such obvious scum.  I can't believe that JTF bullshit he keeps pulling.

You want to know why I want you lynched?  Because you're SUCH OBVIOUS SCUM, HOW CAN NO ONE ELSE SEE IT?
I'M GOING TO TUNNEL YOU FOR THE REST OF THE GAME!

Oh, this is so much fun!  Let's keep going!

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 05:54:30 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 05:45:18 pm

I'm Leafsnail. I posted pretty frequently right up until Zathras said he blocked Pandarsenic. Look at my posts for Day 2! (Up to where I claim I was "procrastinating".) #1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727647#msg1727647) #2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727691#msg1727691) #3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727741#msg1727741) #4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727773#msg1727773) #5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728202#msg1728202) #6 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728275#msg1728275) #7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729895#msg1729895) #8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730082#msg1730082) #9 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730169#msg1730169) #10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731264#msg1731264)

Included among those are two at two in the morning, one at 3 in the morning.  Which basically shows that, as I say, I sometimes procrastinate until the last minute to post.

Good to know you're scum, Leafsnail.

Look, I have a full team: Leafsnail, Pandarsenic, Zathras, and whoever agrees with Leafsnail or disagrees with me next.

This concludes our presentation on Leafsnail's scumhunting techniques.
We hope you enjoyed the show.
© 2010 Bullshit Productions LLC

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 06:34:39 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 05:54:30 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 05:45:18 pm

I'm Leafsnail. I posted pretty frequently right up until Zathras said he blocked Pandarsenic. Look at my posts for Day 2! (Up to where I claim I was "procrastinating".) #1 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727647#msg1727647) #2 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727691#msg1727691) #3 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727741#msg1727741) #4 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727773#msg1727773) #5 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728202#msg1728202) #6 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728275#msg1728275) #7 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729895#msg1729895) #8 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730082#msg1730082) #9 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730169#msg1730169) #10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731264#msg1731264)

Included among those are two at two in the morning, one at 3 in the morning.  Which basically shows that, as I say, I sometimes procrastinate until the last minute to post.

It shows that you post freely throughout the day as you are able until something comes up that you don't want to talk about, at which point you clam up.

The only reason Pandarsenic would be an uncomfortable topic for you is if you and he are partners and you don't want to incriminate yourselves by interacting.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 06:52:46 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

I said on multiple occasions that I THOUGHT PANDAR WAS SCUM.  I WAS NOT DEFENDING HIM.  HOW DO YOU NOT GET THIS?

You were trying to stop him getting lynched.  Maybe he has a role that will be useful tonight, maybe you wanted to lynch a town PR, or maybe you just wanted to waste a town lynch.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

I figured that killing an exterminator before a dopp was a good idea.
When I realized we could test whether Zath was an exterminator for sure, then I decided it would be better to lynch the dopp, then see if Zath an exterminator.
What the hell is scummy about that?

The part where you try to stop a dopp getting lynched, instead preferring to lynch someone who has a possibility of being an alien?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

Yet Zathras was looking scummy as hell in his own right.  He wasn't really attacking Pandar at all.  He voted him, but that was to get himself not lynched.
It's not a chainsaw.  It's finding someone scummy, and pressing them on that.  Every time I find something scummy, it's a chainsaw.  Every time I don't, it's a waffling and not finding anyone suspicious.

No, it's a chainsaw when you use it as a reason to try and save a dopp from being lynched.  As in, someone even you agree is a dopp.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

The operative deal was perfectly legitimate.  There is no reason there couldn't be an exterminator operator and an exterminator.  It's still a possbility.

Actually, now Pandarsenic has said that he was wrapped by chains, it's extremely unlikely.  Just like it always was.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

Then why do so many other players disagree with you on that, if it's so obvious?
You refuse to show why I'm scum, yet you find me so much scum that you seem unable to attack anyone but JTF and I.

I have been saying why ALL FUCKING GAME.  If other people can't see it, that's their problem.

The rest is taking idiotic bits that don't apply and chucking them together.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 06:34:39 pm

It shows that you post freely throughout the day as you are able until something comes up that you don't want to talk about, at which point you clam up.

The only reason Pandarsenic would be an uncomfortable topic for you is if you and he are partners and you don't want to incriminate yourselves by interacting.

There were several other days, even on that list, where I "clammed up", and didn't make a post until late.

Basically, I try to make a post every day (and perhaps some chain responses), but procrastination means that it's sometimes close to the end of the day.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 07:02:57 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 06:52:46 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

The operative deal was perfectly legitimate.  There is no reason there couldn't be an exterminator operator and an exterminator.  It's still a possbility.

Actually, now Pandarsenic has said that he was wrapped by chains, it's extremely unlikely.  Just like it always was.

Pandarsenic never said he was wrapped in chains, scumbucket.

At least not in the main thread. Can't say what's going on in scum chat.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 07:04:37 pm

Eh, misread his post where he unvoted.

And I still think Jokerman should be able to clarify.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 09:12:02 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 07:04:37 pm

Eh, misread his post where he unvoted.

And I still think Jokerman should be able to clarify.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 19, 2010, 07:26:16 pm

Regarding being blocked, I've no night action, but received a PM about feeling dizzy then sleeping. I assumed it was the thing that blocks everyone or something initially, but seeing the deaths I figured Jokerman-EXE was just a bit fuzzy on how the Warden flavor works or something. It's fully possible there are two wardens, that the Dopps attempted to kill someone unable to be killed (possibly even crashing against the Exterminator's shield), etc.

I'm not sure how you misread that as being wrapped in chains...
He didn't unvote anyone in that post, either... He just voted KaminaSquirtle...

Unless you're referring to a different post, but I went through all of Pandar's Day 2 posts, and except for that one, it's basically all useless herp derp.

How does Jokerman's flavor come into it? It may not be 100% consistent, but did Meph make any overt corrections or clarifications after the fact? If he didn't, the flavor must have been acceptable.

Right now, it looks like they caught you in a lie, Leafsnail. Please elaborate.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 10:01:11 pm

Argembarger, Leafsnail is referring to this post:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

Whoo, managed to tell the girl I'm derp for how I feel without screwing up our friendship.

And yeah, don't lynch Zathras - on further thought it was probably just a mistake by Jow.

Fun fact: You can call me a lurker all you want but I've posted more than several players. D:<

Unvote.

Still no mention of chains. So it's a pretty damn curious thing Leafsnail said. Not necessarily damning, but depending on how much of a hardass you want to be with Leafsnail you could easily say that he just revealed guilty knowledge.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 10:10:02 pm

Ah, I see. That post wasn't in the LurkerTracker.

This is pretty interesting though; something to be hashed out in greater detail tomorrow?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 10:30:54 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 06:52:46 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

I said on multiple occasions that I THOUGHT PANDAR WAS SCUM.  I WAS NOT DEFENDING HIM.  HOW DO YOU NOT GET THIS?

You were trying to stop him getting lynched.  Maybe he has a role that will be useful tonight, maybe you wanted to lynch a town PR, or maybe you just wanted to waste a town lynch.

This is because I thought, and still think, that Zathras is Exterminator.  I was convinced of this fact.  Once I saw that we could tell for sure, however, I figured it would be a good idea to test it before we lynched it.  The second I realized this, I decided to change my vote Pandar.

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The part where you try to stop a dopp getting lynched, instead preferring to lynch someone who has a possibility of being an alien?

Not just any alien, the exterminator.  And I think it's more than a possibility.  If he doesn't comply with our plan, then I'll be 100% sure of him being scum.  In fact if he refuses, and doesn't have a damn good reason, then my vote goes back on him.

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No, it's a chainsaw when you use it as a reason to try and save a dopp from being lynched.  As in, someone even you agree is a dopp.

I wasn't trying to save him.  I was trying to lynch a higher priority target.
Are you having trouble understanding I believe Zathras to be exterminator?

Quote

Actually, now Pandarsenic has said that he was wrapped by chains, it's extremely unlikely.  Just like it always was.

Wait a second...

Quote

I have been saying why ALL FUCKING GAME.  If other people can't see it, that's their problem.

The rest is taking idiotic bits that don't apply and chucking them together.

Yep.  You have.  You've been tunneling me.  I don't think your case on me is good enough.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 07:04:37 pm

Eh, misread his post where he unvoted.

And I still think Jokerman should be able to clarify.

BS.  There is no possible way you could have misread it that way.  Point to the exact lines where you thought he said that.
You've just dropped quite a big tell here.  I'm willing to bet Pandar told you that he said that, but then forgot to actually do it.
The question then becomes: Why would Pandar defend Zathras?
Wait... Zath only said he knew that Pandar was rbed, right?  What's stopping him from saying that after Pandar told him in the scumchat, to avoid suspicion?
Which means Zath is dopp, not Exterminator.  And that also explains why he didn't know what was in the blocking pm, since he didn't get it.
Yes!  It's all falling into place now.  Pandar, Zath, and Leaf are three of our scum team.  This also explains why Leaf wants Zath to survive so badly.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 10:01:11 pm

Still no mention of chains. So it's a pretty damn curious thing Leafsnail said. Not necessarily damning, but depending on how much of a hardass you want to be with Leafsnail you could easily say that he just revealed guilty knowledge.

He's being a ridiculous hardass.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out, Leafsnail.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 10:51:41 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 10:30:54 pm

BS.  There is no possible way you could have misread it that way.  Point to the exact lines where you thought he said that.
You've just dropped quite a big tell here.  I'm willing to bet Pandar told you that he said that, but then forgot to actually do it.
The question then becomes: Why would Pandar defend Zathras?
Wait... Zath only said he knew that Pandar was rbed, right?  What's stopping him from saying that after Pandar told him in the scumchat, to avoid suspicion?
Which means Zath is dopp, not Exterminator.  And that also explains why he didn't know what was in the blocking pm, since he didn't get it.
Yes!  It's all falling into place now.  Pandar, Zath, and Leaf are three of our scum team.  This also explains why Leaf wants Zath to survive so badly.

This doesn't make much sense, honestly. You're accusing Zathras of bussing Pandarsenic  because...? I can't think of any compelling reason for a Zathras/Pandarsenic scum team to do that, since neither of them were under serious suspicion.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 07:04:37 pm

And I still think Jokerman should be able to clarify.

J-EXE is not going to be talking about the flavor that he wrote for people's PMs last night because he would be essentially confirming people's roles.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 11:01:14 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 10:51:41 pm

This doesn't make much sense, honestly. You're accusing Zathras of bussing Pandarsenic  because...? I can't think of any compelling reason for a Zathras/Pandarsenic scum team to do that, since neither of them were under serious suspicion.

I guess I slipped into speculation and forgot that Pandar wasn't under serious suspicion until after the claim by Zath.
Disregard, then...
I'm such an idiot.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 11:11:07 pm

Would anyone object to a day-shortening? This all feels like Day 3 discussion to me.

Let Pandar hang.

Day Shorten request

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 11:18:54 pm

No, let's not shorten the day. If you've got stuff to bring up you might as well do it now. If you don't get answers bring it up on Day 3.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 11:42:45 pm

Is Mafia typically more active on a Monday than a Sunday night?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2010, 11:44:12 pm

Disclaimer:
Yes, I don't generally have enough computer access over weekends to post regularly. This is by choice, and this is not new. I'm back until the day ends though. If you have something you'd like me to respond to, let me know. I'm sure I missed something.

On the Zathras / Pandarsenic thing:
Right now I think that Zathras is a Psychic Warden and just didn't know about the flavor.  He hasn't played in a Paranormal Mafia before, that's understandable.  And the evidence on Pandarsenic is pretty bad.  If anyone can step forward to claim an alternative hypthesis (or claim in PM to someone they trust), that would be shiny but otherwise the evidence is pretty damning.

Ottafar, I still think you should hang (including for points in the spoiler at the bottom), but we can deal with that tomorrow.  Pandarsenic first. (Not that my vote is really necessary at this point)

For testing Zathras, I'll volunteer to be Wardened. It actually makes sense. As some of you may have guessed by my target, I'm a Military Mad Scientist and I choose Assassin Bot (which I used on Org). Thus, I'm essentially a Vanilla Townie now, so Zathras can block me without worrying about potentially blocking someone with an active role that may not want to reveal as such. I'll still get the roleblocked flavor if he's telling the truth and actually is a Warden.

If he is actually the Exterminator, we'll need to kill him, but at this point I think that either he'll kill a Dopp or the Dopps will kill him at some point, making it worth enough waiting until tomorrow to lynch him.

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 20, 2010, 01:42:52 pm

Jokerman did a pretty good job with the flavor, but it's not 100% consistent with how I would have written it.

A response to this to everyone in general: my night PM was a little off, but he fixed it. I'm willing to bet that if there were any other discrepancies, they were fixed as well. I would strongly suggest not basing your gameplay entirely or even mostly off this.

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Responses to other things:

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 07:22:34 pm

@Janus: Screw up more. Seriously, there's so little wrong with you it's actually kind of weird. Oh well. Feelings do not make reasons for lynching.Unvote.

I'm ... not sure what to make of this ... thank you?

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 08:20:05 pm

So let's say you think that I'm scum. Would you do everything in your power to get me lynched?

Depends. Yesterday, I would have used my Assassin Bot on you (as I did on Org). Today, I would lynch Pandarsenic first. Tomorrow, I would do everything in my power to make sure that
1) I'm right
2) The concensus sees that

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 20, 2010, 01:56:41 am

Guys, lynch Pand. Zathras is a town Psychic Warden or the world's stupidest alien. Either way, lynching Pand is a much better use of time.

Or a smart Dopp (maybe a Dopp Psychic Warden).

- If they're both scum, it means they're trying a rather risky gambit. Based on what I know of the two of them, I doubt it, but I won't rule it out entirely.
- If Pandarsenic turns town, this would be a pretty stupid move for a dopp Zathras. He'd know that we'd go after him tomorrow. Unfortunately, Zathras is just the type to possibly try the WIFOM on this. Don't think Pandarsenic will turn town though.

So, the possibility of a dopp Warden is probably not something to worry, but is something to keep in mind for the endgame.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:00:15 pm

Lol, wat?
My computer just BSOD'd.
First time ever.
All I was doing was posting a reply to Kamina and listening to some Homestuck muzak.
Is... is this normal? Is Mafia cursed?

Now I have to retype this; goody.

Oh thank you so very much! (I'm being serious). So many people have this same problem (lose a post) and just give up and never bother to retype it. In the future, I would suggest typing your posts in notepad and saving every couple lines. It's rather helpful, much less likely to explode.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 01:43:00 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on April 29, 2009, 09:04:10 pm

Days will last for 48 hours or until everyone has voted (if there is a long period of inactivity after everyone votes I'll end the day to keep things moving).

I read that as "once everyone has cast a vote, the day insta-ends". Ah well, whatever.

That's mostly for the endgame and I'm pretty sure that we'd get a mod post saying that it was going to happen before it does. Don't worry about it. Expect the day to basically when the schedule says (in non-hammmer games like this one at least).

Spoiler: Responses to Ottofar (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 03:56:44 pm

Yeah. Fuck. I got to reply #227. I was listing all of Janus' posts. Suddenly: the damn browser crashes. It's 12pm here. I'm not going to do it again. Anyways, in short, Janus was driving the policy lynch, but it didn't work out. He wouldn't back off, because someone could've said he just wanted to get a free lynch. Then he gets SHAD0W and Cript to vote for, and argues with Cript about the amount of the Org-concerning posts. Also, he was too friendly with Kamina, which is also suspicious.

Anyways I redo the damn post tomorrow. Good Night.

Also, eight new replies.

This is all *really* old news and has been discussed quite extensively. If you have something new to add, by all means spit it out. But I doubt it.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 19, 2010, 03:56:44 pm

*also responding to Ottofar's 2 posts before this* -JanusTwoface

Quote from: Ottofar

Anyways, in short, Janus was driving the policy lynch, but it didn't work out. He wouldn't back off, because someone could've said he just wanted to get a free lynch. Then he gets SHAD0W and Cript to vote for, and argues with Cript about the amount of the Org-concerning posts. Also, he was too friendly with Kamina, which is also suspicious.

This one, I mean.

That was ... completely unhelpful. Could be that I'm biased (seeing as it's me and all), but the posts to me look like a decently active player who doesn't like lurkers but doesn't focus only on that (go talk to Leafsnail otherwise, you can form your own little anti-me club). Basically, it looks like you're trying to drive a lynch. And you *completely* ignore the Pandarsenic thing... Good job on that. That's exactly the kind of thing town should weigh in on (and dopps should pretend to weigh in on).

Quote from: Ottofar on November 20, 2010, 04:57:58 pm

Not really. As I have stated, I'm quite bad at mafia.

Up to reply #227 I'd have voted him.

It started getting less scummy from somewhere there.

Then why did you bother going through all of that work to analyze all of my posts? That's less than halfway through. And you still haven't done a thing about the current most interesting part of the game.

Spoiler: Responses to Leafsnail (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 19, 2010, 07:42:53 pm

Oh wait, no, we're playing mafia.  A game where the aim is to FIND AND LYNCH THE FUCKING SCUM.

Which you're not doing.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 19, 2010, 07:42:53 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 19, 2010, 02:19:41 am

Bullshit appeal to authority.

Uhuh.  In any case, it says nothing about scummy, and doesn't even seem to apply to this case at all, since you're both blindingly obvious scum.

Bullshit? No. See the bolded part.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 19, 2010, 07:42:53 pm

Extension since JanusTwoFace isn't being lynched yet.

Not going to happen. At the very least not today. Again with the obsessive getting me lynched crap. Especially because the extension already went through at that point.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 20, 2010, 11:14:27 pm

I eagerly await JTF's eventual response, which should be fairly amusing.

My response to what exactly?

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 05:54:30 pm

We have a full team: Pandarsenic, Janus, KaminaSquirtle and Jim.

I'm actually curious about this one (most of my previous questions I could care less how you respond at this point, I'll admit it): If you really think that's the scum team, do you really think that we'd be *so* stupid to be this obvious?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Argembarger:  Never shorten while discussion is going on- scummy.

Quote from: Toaster on November 20, 2010, 10:27:07 pm

Does *anyone* doubt that Pandar is a dopp?  Seriously, anyone?  All he's done since my last post is move his vote to the other suspected person while contributing nothing to the discussion.  He's pretty much thrown in the towel here.  There's no reason he shouldn't be lynched.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 01:30:27 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

Whoo, managed to tell the girl I'm derp for how I feel without screwing up our friendship.

And yeah, don't lynch Zathras - on further thought it was probably just a mistake by Jow.

Fun fact: You can call me a lurker all you want but I've posted more than several players. D:<

Unvote.

Ahahaha.  Waffling around now.  Yeah, you're scum and have thrown in the towel.

Dude.  Stop.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 07:02:57 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 21, 2010, 06:52:46 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 06:31:59 pm

The operative deal was perfectly legitimate.  There is no reason there couldn't be an exterminator operator and an exterminator.  It's still a possbility.

Actually, now Pandarsenic has said that he was wrapped by chains, it's extremely unlikely.  Just like it always was.

Pandarsenic never said he was wrapped in chains, scumbucket.

At least not in the main thread. Can't say what's going on in scum chat.

This troubles me.  It brings an decent case to Leafsnail possibly being scum, but Kamina is my #1 non-Pandar target.  I cannot see this as distancing, because it's gone on far too long.

Leafsnail:  Please restate your case on Janus.  Your Kamina case is clear enough, but your Janus case is murky.

I'm interested in hearing from some of our quieter folks, since the lynch is pretty much decided now.

Puppet, Web, Ottofar, Mish:  Please state your opinion on the Pandar/Zath affair.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 12:04:11 am

Quote from: Argembarger on November 21, 2010, 11:42:45 pm

Is Mafia typically more active on a Monday than a Sunday night?

Depends on the players, but weekends theoretically do not count towards participation.

And at best, a shorten right now would end the day sometime Monday morning instead of at 5pm Pacific.

Shortens are best when there's a clear consensus about who to lynch and it's pretty damn clear that there's not going to be a lot of discussion about it. Discussion's happening now; no reason to cut that short to hang Pandarsenic a few hours early.

JTF, what do you make of all the crap I've been giving Leafsnail about? About his silence concerning Pandarsenic until prompted, his slip about Pandarsenic's stated flavor, about his choice of targets.

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Puppet, Web, Ottofar, Mish:  Please state your opinion on the Pandar/Zath affair.

Since I've been going on about it, I'll ask you: Do you think any of those players' silence about PandarsenicZathrasgate is scummy?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 22, 2010, 12:33:43 am

Fair enough, Cancel Shorten Request (though I guess nobody else was going to request it anyway, whatever)

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 20, 2010, 10:27:07 pm

Does *anyone* doubt that Pandar is a dopp?  Seriously, anyone?  All he's done since my last post is move his vote to the other suspected person while contributing nothing to the discussion.  He's pretty much thrown in the towel here.  There's no reason he shouldn't be lynched.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 01:30:27 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

-delicious waffles-

Ahahaha.  Waffling around now.  Yeah, you're scum and have thrown in the towel.

Dude.  Stop.

This is like the second or third time this has happened. Do you think Kamina is doing it on purpose at this point? I find it kind of funny actually. Both ha-ha funny and suspicious funny. But the suspicious funny is kind of a stretch, I think.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2010, 11:44:12 pm

On the Zathras / Pandarsenic thing:
Right now I think that Zathras is a Psychic Warden and just didn't know about the flavor.  He hasn't played in a Paranormal Mafia before, that's understandable.  And the evidence on Pandarsenic is pretty bad.  If anyone can step forward to claim an alternative hypthesis (or claim in PM to someone they trust), that would be shiny but otherwise the evidence is pretty damning.

Ottafar, I still think you should hang (including for points in the spoiler at the bottom), but we can deal with that tomorrow.  Pandarsenic first. (Not that my vote is really necessary at this point)

For testing Zathras, I'll volunteer to be Wardened. It actually makes sense. As some of you may have guessed by my target, I'm a Military Mad Scientist and I choose Assassin Bot (which I used on Org). Thus, I'm essentially a Vanilla Townie now, so Zathras can block me without worrying about potentially blocking someone with an active role that may not want to reveal as such. I'll still get the roleblocked flavor if he's telling the truth and actually is a Warden.

If he is actually the Exterminator, we'll need to kill him, but at this point I think that either he'll kill a Dopp or the Dopps will kill him at some point, making it worth enough waiting until tomorrow to lynch him.

Does roleblock flavor come up no matter what, or is it only when you actually get blocked from doing a role? I'm not familiar with the night PM's or the flavor.

Are you worried that openly volunteering for this might make you a target? I feel like there's too many ways that this plan can potentially go sour. Will we have a contingency plan?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2010, 12:45:42 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 12:04:11 am

JTF, what do you make of all the crap I've been giving Leafsnail about? About his silence concerning Pandarsenic until prompted, his slip about Pandarsenic's stated flavor, about his choice of targets.

I think that you have good points.

Silence: He's been waxing and waning in postage, mostly ranting about something or the other about me. Yes, he didn't respond to the Pandarsenic thing as quickly as I'd have liked, that's a point against Ottofar as well.

Slip: The 'Pandarsenic said chains' bit, yes?  I don't think this would be good enough by itself and is shaky even as supporting evidence. A lot has been said. On the other hand, almost none of that has been said by Pandarsenic, so that's some support at least. All together, I think it's worth mention, but less important than you seem to.

Targets: I have no idea why he's latched on to KaminaSquirtle and myself. I can somewhat see his case on KaminaSquirtle, but most of that can be attributed to being new. It's entirely possible that he's new scum, but I just don't get that vibe from him.  For me, I've given up trying to figure out what exactly his point is there.

Updating my most recent list in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732753#msg1732753): Right now, I'd like to see Pandarsenic, Ottofar, and then Leafsnail lynched in that order.  All but the first are definitely subject to what happens between now and then.  Mr.Person just feels usual for him, but I don't have much more than gut instinct on that one.  Zathras can be bumped down a category pending confirmation as a Warden (see my previous (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739353#msg1739353) (response to Mr.Person) and the second half of this one for why).

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Quote from: Argembarger on November 22, 2010, 12:33:43 am

Does roleblock flavor come up no matter what, or is it only when you actually get blocked from doing a role? I'm not familiar with the night PM's or the flavor.

85% sure. PMed the mods to ask just in case. If I remember correctly, I've done the same thing before in a previous round of Paranormal. (Although I could be hallucinating that)

Quote from: Argembarger on November 22, 2010, 12:33:43 am

Are you worried that openly volunteering for this might make you a target? I feel like there's too many ways that this plan can potentially go sour. Will we have a contingency plan?

That's actually part of the point.  For the moment, we'll assume that there's no longer a town Medium about and that Pandarsenic flips scum. (The first is reasonable but not assured because of rule changes this round IIRC, and the second raises a whole different can of worms we can deal with tomorrow).

If the dopps assume that I'm telling the truth, they really have three options:
- Kill me to stop me from confirming / anti-confirming Zathras
- Kill Zathras
- Kill someone else because they know I'm no longer a power role

If it's the first case, then it's likely that Zathras is a Town Warden and they want the WIFOM.  Not guaranteed, but good enough until closer to LYLO.  If it's the second, then that solves us the problem of confirming Zathras and we've traded a Townie for a Dopp.  If it's the third, then we know more about Zathras than we did before, at the very least if he's telling the truth or lying.

Overall, I think it's a pretty decent plan.

(NOTE: I thought about PMing this, but it's not really worth it. The Dopps can/should probably come to the same conclusions that I have, probably more actually since they have more information).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 02:10:33 am

While I don't have a problem with you offering to be Warden'd, I'd like to point out that I also volunteered (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736475#msg1736475).

I guess Zathras has the benefit of choice. If he's town I hope for his sake he chooses wisely.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://mattarmstrongblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/grailknight.jpg)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 03:56:29 am

Heh, yes I hope to choose wisely.

For the record, yes, I will block someone tonight, but I will not say in advance whom, for the obvious reasons that I don't want others to target them as well, or the scum to know my plan. I will reveal my target in the morning, assuming I'm still alive (which is a big if, since the scum now know I have a power role). I may choose one of the volunteers, though it would feel like wasting a perfectly good action on a probable townie just to save my own life, rather than using it to actually block the scum, which is what it's for... hell, I may get lucky with my aiming again, and if the dopps don't kill tonight as well, we'll have bagged another. Whether the target admits it or lies about it, I can't control.

Question: given Pandar's own admission twice, Leafsnail's curious confirmation, Meph's statement about Jokerman's flavour, and the bolded parts of P16 action PMs I highlighted (which included dizziness and sleep), do people still doubt I'm a warden? Because "block me just to prove you're not an alien" is rather useless if people no longer think that I'm one, yes?

In any case, we'll see. I do think attempting to block scum would be more useful than saving my own neck, but I will not make my choice until the day ends, and I won't reveal it until tomorrow, if I survive the night.


In other things: JTF, I find your claim of Mad Scientist surprising, and your killing Org uncool. He was being useful, man! Not playing his useless derping game as usual, but posting paragraphs! If we add your unconcern about offing a townie (even after he proved useful), your suspiciously clean nose, your delay in voting Pandar until he was a lost cause (yeah, weekend, whatever), and your volunteering to be blocked, I think you are Pandar's scumbuddy. You are OK with lynching him now that he can't be saved, but if you convince me to block you the dopps can assign the night kill to someone else and hit for sure, yes? Last night, the dopp team could have agreed "Pandar, you do the NK; JTF, you use your bot on Org. We off two townies in one shot."


Moderator: please prod Mish, Mysteriousbluepuppet, and webadict. For the first two, perhaps a forced replace or modkill wouldn't be out of order. They've done nothing the entire game.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Mr.Person on November 22, 2010, 04:15:24 am

Roleblocking a target or choice of targets as opposed to just letting Zathras pick randomly has advantages and disadvantages.

Pros:
Get information based on who the mafia and Exterminator decide to kill.
No roleblocking a useful power role.
Other townies don't interfere with the roleblock somehow.

Cons:
Have to reveal player(s) who don't mind being roleblocked.
Can't roleblock the mafia and unlikely to roleblock the Exterminator (unless of course the Exterminator is Zathra)

Since 2 players have already volunteered, let's go with Zathras blocking one of them without saying which. It has the advantage that even if the dopps/Extie kill one of them, the other might be the actual one to get blocked.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 04:17:49 am

Zathras, you can do what you want.

But while you may think you should be using your power role to prevent night kills, you're missing the point of confirming you. It may not solve your problems but it solves ours: we won't have to waste a lynch on you to prove that you are or are not an alien. Since there is a way to investigate your claim without needing to lynch you, it's much more preferable to take that option.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 22, 2010, 07:41:32 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 20, 2010, 10:27:07 pm

Does *anyone* doubt that Pandar is a dopp?  Seriously, anyone?  All he's done since my last post is move his vote to the other suspected person while contributing nothing to the discussion.  He's pretty much thrown in the towel here.  There's no reason he shouldn't be lynched.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 21, 2010, 01:30:27 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

Whoo, managed to tell the girl I'm derp for how I feel without screwing up our friendship.

And yeah, don't lynch Zathras - on further thought it was probably just a mistake by Jow.

Fun fact: You can call me a lurker all you want but I've posted more than several players. D:<

Unvote.

Ahahaha.  Waffling around now.  Yeah, you're scum and have thrown in the towel.

Dude.  Stop.

Dude.  Chill.
I used that phrase since I remembered seeing it earlier.  I said Pandar was waffling, then agreed with whoever had said he had thrown in the towel.  That person happened to be you.  It isn't parroting because the point of that post was to point out the waffling, and just overall patheticness of his post.

Zathras: If you don't prove to us that you're town, then I'm going to assume you're scum.  So please make sure you do something to prove that you are town, otherwise we may end up lynching you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2010, 09:00:35 am

First of all, Pandarsenic is definitely scum.

Secondly, I was at home this weekend. I didn't have any internet access. Well, I had a phone, but no. Sorry.

Now, as for Pandarsenic, he's definitely scum. He hasn't acknowledged the block, which he knew he was, until Zathras said that there was a block and no dopp kill.

As for Zathras, he's probably an Operative or an Exterminator. Look back at Paranormal 10 for a Stun Bomb and it shows that the player is paralyzed. That means that no matter if they're held by a Psychic Warden or a Stun object, they CANNOT MOVE. That means that either Pandarsenic is lying about there being no chains (He's lying because he shouldn't have been able to move, period.), or Zathras didn't actually get chains in his description (He's lying because he didn't bring this up when the Day started, which any Town-aligned player would've.).

Pandarsenic has shut down since being called out by Zathras, and he's not going to come back and make any good points now. This is typical of him in games. Just look at Vengeful 4.

Zathras didn't bring this up at the beginning of the day. This means he's the Operative. The Exterminator wouldn't try to get Pandarsenic lynched by saying he stunned him, because it'd be too risky. However, the Operative has 2 Small Techs and a Medium Tech now to fill with, yes, Stun Orbs and another low class Tech.

Look back at Zathras. He's made several mentions to lurkers and gone after them. He's even gone so far as to use the LurkerTracker several times in order to back up his calling them out. Yes, Janus, they do need to play, but he's gone solely after them using their lurking as an excuse.

They're both scum. They just had the unfortunate experience of exposing each other.

If Zathras wants to block someone, he needs to block a specific person. I don't care what he says. Otherwise, he could say he blocked the Exterminator, and the Exterminator could confirm it. I'd say block Janus, since he's more than likely a Mad Scientist, if everyone agrees.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Toaster on November 22, 2010, 09:25:48 am

Jim:

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 12:04:11 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Puppet, Web, Ottofar, Mish:  Please state your opinion on the Pandar/Zath affair.

Since I've been going on about it, I'll ask you: Do you think any of those players' silence about PandarsenicZathrasgate is scummy?

Toaster's #1 Scumtell: Repeatedly promising "more later" without ever delivering.

MBP: He's riding #1 hard right now, so his silence in general is scummy.

Web:  I was going to say that Web has been just acting weird all game and I had no solid read on him.  I got the new reply warning when hitting quote, so now I will say that his read on the situation looks solid enough.  Summary: no.

Ottofar:  I can't read him.  His lack of content in general is somewhat scummy, but I've also noticed that level of play in town Ottofar.  It does seem extra weak this game, so final verdict is: a little.

Mish:  I had to check his profile, but he hasn't been on the forum since early Friday morning.  I'll have to give him a pass for that- no telling if he's even still playing.

Argembarger:

Quote from: Argembarger on November 22, 2010, 12:33:43 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Dude.  Stop.

This is like the second or third time this has happened. Do you think Kamina is doing it on purpose at this point? I find it kind of funny actually. Both ha-ha funny and suspicious funny. But the suspicious funny is kind of a stretch, I think.

This one seems more coincidental than the first two.  The first time I pointed it out, I was honestly more concerned about the repeated ideas than the repeated words.

Zath:  I'm in favor of randomly picking one of the volunteers to block.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2010, 10:49:18 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 03:56:29 am

Question: given Pandar's own admission twice, Leafsnail's curious confirmation, Meph's statement about Jokerman's flavour, and the bolded parts of P16 action PMs I highlighted (which included dizziness and sleep), do people still doubt I'm a warden? Because "block me just to prove you're not an alien" is rather useless if people no longer think that I'm one, yes?

We know (or at least are rather sure) there's an Exterminator about. If that weren't the case, I wouldn't believe it. But it is. So it's a good chance.

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 03:56:29 am

In any case, we'll see. I do think attempting to block scum would be more useful than saving my own neck, but I will not make my choice until the day ends, and I won't reveal it until tomorrow, if I survive the night.

This is a really bad idea. The whole point of knowing who you are going to block before it happens is so that we know you are't lying. If you are scum (either an Exterminator with an Operative or a Dopp), you could just as easily have one of your scum buddies lie for you. Not that that's not a possibility anyways, but at least saying what you're going to do beforehand helps.

Revealing it in the thread probably gives the dopps too much information, but this is an open PM game.  At the very least, let someone (who you trust (yes, I realize this is Mafia, but there has to be someone)) know before the day ends who you're going to block via PM. They don't even have to reveal anything until tomorrow. Just let them know now, so we have a timestamped PM quote to verify it (yes, you can fake them but it will help)

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 03:56:29 am

In other things: JTF, I find your claim of Mad Scientist surprising, and your killing Org uncool. He was being useful, man! Not playing his useless derping game as usual, but posting paragraphs! If we add your unconcern about offing a townie (even after he proved useful), your suspiciously clean nose, your delay in voting Pandar until he was a lost cause (yeah, weekend, whatever), and your volunteering to be blocked, I think you are Pandar's scumbuddy. You are OK with lynching him now that he can't be saved, but if you convince me to block you the dopps can assign the night kill to someone else and hit for sure, yes? Last night, the dopp team could have agreed "Pandar, you do the NK; JTF, you use your bot on Org. We off two townies in one shot."

No. He was playing his general useless game. He had about 3 posts the entire game that I would consider useful (I went back and checked) and that's a bit of a stretch. Once I unvoted him for it he went back to mostly being useless. Still think I made the right choice, although it's unfortunate that he turned out town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2010, 11:23:19 am

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Argembarger, Mish
Pandarsenic: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Leafsnail, Mr.Person, Toaster, Zathras, webadict

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

To answer some questions:
   1) Jokerman sent out a bunch of PMs before I had a chance to review them. So my statement stands. He did a good job, but don't look for consistency with previous games for PMs for Night 1. It's not assured.
   2) Roleblocked characters, regardless of source, will know that they have been roleblocked whether they have night actions or not.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.

I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.

Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.

I'm gonna go sleep.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2010, 12:23:42 pm

You're sure that Zathras is an alien but not sure that Pandarsenic is a dopp? Seriously? I could give you some slack if you actually bothered to explain yourself, but this is just wrong.

Wish I had another bot. :(

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Leafsnail on November 22, 2010, 12:32:28 pm

Well, worked myself up into a bit of a rage yesterday.  I'll try and calm down.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 21, 2010, 10:01:11 pm

Argembarger, Leafsnail is referring to this post:

Still no mention of chains. So it's a pretty damn curious thing Leafsnail said. Not necessarily damning, but depending on how much of a hardass you want to be with Leafsnail you could easily say that he just revealed guilty knowledge.

Actually, yeah, this does require an explanation.  This is what the post actually says:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

Whoo, managed to tell the girl I'm derp for how I feel without screwing up our friendship.

And yeah, don't lynch Zathras - on further thought it was probably just a mistake by Jow.

Fun fact: You can call me a lurker all you want but I've posted more than several players. D:<

Unvote.

This is what I read:

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 21, 2010, 01:17:17 pm

Whoo, managed to tell the girl I'm derp for how I feel without screwing up our friendship.

And yeah, don't lynch Zathras - on further thought it was just a mistake by Jow.

Fun fact: You can call me a lurker all you want but I've posted more than several players. D:<

Unvote.

In other words, I thought it was "I asked Jokerman, and he said it was just a mistake", and thus assumed that invisible chains was the correct flavour.

By the way, when I say "Jokerman should be able to correct it" I mean "Jokerman should be able to correct it in a pm to Pandarsenic".  Sorry for not making that clear either.

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Leafsnail:  Please restate your case on Janus.  Your Kamina case is clear enough, but your Janus case is murky.

Well, basically: active lurking.  If you look at most of his posts, you get a lot of text, a lot of lurker analysis, and a few questions, but basically no accusations.  Then there's yesterday, when he voted based on what appeared to be policy (he later denied it) and FoS'd a bunch of lurkers.  Attacking lurkers and lynching idiots is not going to win us the game.

Basically, he looks like scum who wants to avoid the bad parts of lurking (specifically, being lynched for it) while keeping the good parts (generally avoiding connections with other mafia members, not attracting much scrutiny).

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2010, 12:45:42 am

Updating my most recent list in this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732753#msg1732753): Right now, I'd like to see Pandarsenic, Ottofar, and then Leafsnail lynched in that order.  All but the first are definitely subject to what happens between now and then.  Mr.Person just feels usual for him, but I don't have much more than gut instinct on that one.  Zathras can be bumped down a category pending confirmation as a Warden (see my previous (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739353#msg1739353) (response to Mr.Person) and the second half of this one for why).

I'm confused.  If I'm in your top 3, why didn't you say anything against me in your previous post?

Incidentally, the warden choice needs to be at least semi-random, otherwise the dopps could be able to just kill the volunteer if they're town and leave more WIFOM.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Argembarger on November 22, 2010, 12:34:09 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.
I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.
Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.
I'm gonna go sleep.

wha...?

Otto. Just... Otto.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 01:44:58 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 22, 2010, 12:32:28 pm

Well, worked myself up into a bit of a rage yesterday.  I'll try and calm down.

Why did you flip the fuck out over it in the first place?

Blah blah overreactions are scummy blah blah.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Toaster on November 22, 2010, 03:30:57 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.

I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.

Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.

I'm gonna go sleep.

Have you even read the whole thread?  I wish I had another vote for you.

Leafsnail:  Fair enough.  Do you buy his scientist claim?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Leafsnail on November 22, 2010, 05:23:25 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 01:44:58 pm

Why did you flip the fuck out over it in the first place?

Blah blah overreactions are scummy blah blah.

I got angry more over everyone ignoring scum, but hey.

Quote from: Toaster on November 22, 2010, 03:30:57 pm

Leafsnail:  Fair enough.  Do you buy his scientist claim?

I'm 99% sure he never made such a claim, although it's certainly possible.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 05:36:45 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 21, 2010, 11:44:12 pm

For testing Zathras, I'll volunteer to be Wardened. It actually makes sense. As some of you may have guessed by my target, I'm a Military Mad Scientist and I choose Assassin Bot (which I used on Org). Thus, I'm essentially a Vanilla Townie now, so Zathras can block me without worrying about potentially blocking someone with an active role that may not want to reveal as such. I'll still get the roleblocked flavor if he's telling the truth and actually is a Warden.

Pay attention, scumnuts.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Leafsnail on November 22, 2010, 05:38:11 pm

Oh, I thought he meant Pandarsenic.

In which case it's a silly question, since he's demonstrated his ability.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:38:23 pm

JTF: You claimed Mad Scientist. Don't those have mind shields? Would a mind shield prevent the block from getting to you? Also, you make a fair point about PMs, I will consider it.

Others that have recommended I go with the volunteers: I hear you, but I would feel more comfortable if there were more than two to choose from, one of whom may have a mindshield. Does anyone else wish to volunteer?

Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 22, 2010, 09:00:35 am

[About Zathras] He's lying because he didn't bring this up when the Day started, which any Town-aligned player would've.

No, I was unsure about claiming, since if I could get him lynched without claiming, I wouldn't have to paint me as a target for the scum to kill. So I voted him and badgered him to answer questions; when he didn't, and it was clear I wouldn't have the time to press him until he cracked, I decided to claim the block. It was still pretty damned early in the day, though, wasn't it? I was in my second or third post of the day.

Quote from: webadict

Look back at Zathras. He's made several mentions to lurkers and gone after them. He's even gone so far as to use the LurkerTracker several times in order to back up his calling them out. Yes, Janus, they do need to play, but he's gone solely after them using their lurking as an excuse.

You are wilfully misrepresenting the facts: I spent the whole day one voting YOU, not lurkers. I've spent the whole day two voting Pandar, not lurkers, and fencing with Jim/JTF/etc. You are outright lying when you say I've "gone solely after them", and you know it. You know what liars are: scum.

In fact, since one vote less for Pandar won't make a difference: Unvote Pandar, Vote Webadict. You are scum.

About the LurkerTracker, well, it's cool, and useful, so why not? Also, I'll post one more before the end of the day. I know I posted one just recently, but the new features are too cool not to try them with real data.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 22, 2010, 12:32:28 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Leafsnail:  Please restate your case on Janus.  Your Kamina case is clear enough, but your Janus case is murky.

Well, basically: active lurking.  If you look at most of his posts, you get a lot of text, a lot of lurker analysis, and a few questions, but basically no accusations.  Then there's yesterday, when he voted based on what appeared to be policy (he later denied it) and FoS'd a bunch of lurkers.  Attacking lurkers and lynching idiots is not going to win us the game.

Basically, he looks like scum who wants to avoid the bad parts of lurking (specifically, being lynched for it) while keeping the good parts (generally avoiding connections with other mafia members, not attracting much scrutiny).

Leafsnail: isn't this just as true, if not more so, of Webadict than of Janus?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:40:13 pm

Forgot to add: Webadict: if I block you tonight, will you admit it to the thread?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 05:51:23 pm

JTF doesn't get a mind shield automatically because he's a scientist. He might have one as an ability, because those are randomly distributed, but he can't make his own since he already picked his tech choice and demonstrated it.

But I don't think that means he can't confirm you even if he did.

MOD, players with mind shields are still made aware of the attempt to block them, correct?

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:38:23 pm

Others that have recommended I go with the volunteers: I hear you, but I would feel more comfortable if there were more than two to choose from, one of whom may have a mindshield. Does anyone else wish to volunteer?

So what? So that you can 'block' the other member of your Exterminator team?

Block one of the two players who have already volunteered or you are scum. It's that simple.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2010, 05:52:48 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 05:51:23 pm

MOD, players with mind shields are still made aware of the attempt to block them, correct?

They are aware that something targeted them and was nullified.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 22, 2010, 06:10:17 pm

If he's an operative he could block twice, couldn't he?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 06:19:26 pm

That's true, but that's not the point. We would damn well know it if we weren't blocked by a Psychic Warden. Especially tonight now that I've went and gone and thrown a fit about the flavor.

Him fishing for volunteers, or the right volunteer, when there are two available makes me incredibly suspicious that he's going to try to fake claim Psychic Warden. That would be easy, nigh trivial, with a two man Exterminator team.

So I don't want him blocking anybody else besides me or JTF. If anybody else volunteers, something is probably up.

Come on, scumface. You're not an idiot. Why am I explaining this to you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Mr.Person on November 22, 2010, 06:31:10 pm

Whoever he blocks is actually irrelevant. He has to block somebody different Night 3, so blocking an Extie buddy only works once.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 22, 2010, 06:35:03 pm

Mm, right - if the lack of chains is a flavor error he'll still need to block twice more to be certain, though, so we know he didn't somehow pick his Exterminator even by chance.

He should block you then JTF in succession then. Or the other.

And you're explaining because I'm procrastinating on a midterm paper.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Mr.Person on November 22, 2010, 06:36:59 pm

Yeah, let's go with that.

Actually, blocking his Exterminator buddy is great because if he roleflips, that puts anybody who claimed the chains-based flavor to be scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2010, 06:39:26 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.

I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.

Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.

I'm gonna go sleep.

... How is that a MIGHT? No, seriously, how? And you wonder why people aren't buying your electricity excuse.

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:38:23 pm

JTF: You claimed Mad Scientist. Don't those have mind shields? Would a mind shield prevent the block from getting to you? Also, you make a fair point about PMs, I will consider it.

Others that have recommended I go with the volunteers: I hear you, but I would feel more comfortable if there were more than two to choose from, one of whom may have a mindshield. Does anyone else wish to volunteer?

Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 22, 2010, 09:00:35 am

[About Zathras] He's lying because he didn't bring this up when the Day started, which any Town-aligned player would've.

No, I was unsure about claiming, since if I could get him lynched without claiming, I wouldn't have to paint me as a target for the scum to kill. So I voted him and badgered him to answer questions; when he didn't, and it was clear I wouldn't have the time to press him until he cracked, I decided to claim the block. It was still pretty damned early in the day, though, wasn't it? I was in my second or third post of the day.

Okay, but that's a really anti-Town thing to do, don't you think? You have knowledge that could lead to a successful lynch, but you don't want to share it? Because you don't want to make yourself a target? You know what that sounds like to me? "I want to survive!" You're putting yourself ahead of the town.

I don't care if you don't want to draw a target on yourself. I want you to draw a target on potential scum. If you feel that your own survival is more important, then you're not trying to help us win.

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:38:23 pm

Quote from: webadict

Look back at Zathras. He's made several mentions to lurkers and gone after them. He's even gone so far as to use the LurkerTracker several times in order to back up his calling them out. Yes, Janus, they do need to play, but he's gone solely after them using their lurking as an excuse.

You are wilfully misrepresenting the facts: I spent the whole day one voting YOU, not lurkers. I've spent the whole day two voting Pandar, not lurkers, and fencing with Jim/JTF/etc. You are outright lying when you say I've "gone solely after them", and you know it. You know what liars are: scum.

You were going after me because I was "lurking." At least admit it. Now that I'm no longer busy, you can't even find a real target, so you're sticking with your lurker target. I mean, you say I'm lying, but it's true. You don't have any evidence on me, while I, on the other hand, have shown you to be an anti-Town scumbag Exterminator.

I mean, you know what anti-towners are: scum.

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:38:23 pm

In fact, since one vote less for Pandar won't make a difference: Unvote Pandar, Vote Webadict. You are scum.

About the LurkerTracker, well, it's cool, and useful, so why not? Also, I'll post one more before the end of the day. I know I posted one just recently, but the new features are too cool not to try them with real data.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 22, 2010, 12:32:28 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 21, 2010, 11:57:52 pm

Leafsnail:  Please restate your case on Janus.  Your Kamina case is clear enough, but your Janus case is murky.

Well, basically: active lurking.  If you look at most of his posts, you get a lot of text, a lot of lurker analysis, and a few questions, but basically no accusations.  Then there's yesterday, when he voted based on what appeared to be policy (he later denied it) and FoS'd a bunch of lurkers.  Attacking lurkers and lynching idiots is not going to win us the game.

Basically, he looks like scum who wants to avoid the bad parts of lurking (specifically, being lynched for it) while keeping the good parts (generally avoiding connections with other mafia members, not attracting much scrutiny).

Leafsnail: isn't this just as true, if not more so, of Webadict than of Janus?

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:40:13 pm

Forgot to add: Webadict: if I block you tonight, will you admit it to the thread?

Of course. I have nothing to hide. Are you planning on killing me tonight?

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 22, 2010, 06:31:10 pm

Whoever he blocks is actually irrelevant. He has to block somebody different Night 3, so blocking an Extie buddy only works once.

Touche. I was really hoping that we could figure that part out by tomorrow.

Quote from: Pandarsenic on November 22, 2010, 06:35:03 pm

Mm, right - if the lack of chains is a flavor error he'll still need to block twice more to be certain, though, so we know he didn't somehow pick his Exterminator even by chance.

He should block you then JTF in succession then. Or the other.

And you're explaining because I'm procrastinating on a midterm paper.

Couldn't you ask if it's a flavor error? I mean, if you're going to make us WIFOM ourselves, you could at least put some effort into it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

Quote from: Pandarsenic

Mm, right - if the lack of chains is a flavor error he'll still need to block twice more to be certain, though, so we know he didn't somehow pick his Exterminator even by chance.

He should block you then JTF in succession then. Or the other.

Right, let's take the advice from the Dopp about to hang, his proposal to nerf the blocker into uselessness for pretty much the rest of the game is in the best interests of town, for sure.

No, I'll decide what to do later, and we'll see where that leaves us tomorrow, but I'll only dance this dance once. The purpose of the power is not to dick about with it where it does no good, it's to prevent kills as it did last night. If you guys wish to lynch me for it, then go ahead, we'll discuss that when the time comes.

PPE: Web, that's exactly what I did, in my third post or so of the day: claim the block and achieve a successful lynch of scum. If it wasn't speedy enough for you, that's your problem, not mine; there was still ample time for discussion and it worked, so bugger off. And I didn't go after you for lurking, I went after you for not playing your town game. That's what I said, and you know it, so you are still lying scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 06:49:17 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 22, 2010, 06:36:59 pm

Yeah, let's go with that.

Actually, blocking his Exterminator buddy is great because if he roleflips, that puts anybody who claimed the chains-based flavor to be scum.

While that would be an advantage, I think what we are trying to do is role confirm him as soon as possible, to see if he's even a Psychic Warden in the first place.

Quote from: webadict on November 22, 2010, 06:39:26 pm

You were going after me because I was "lurking." At least admit it. Now that I'm no longer busy, you can't even find a real target, so you're sticking with your lurker target. I mean, you say I'm lying, but it's true. You don't have any evidence on me, while I, on the other hand, have shown you to be an anti-Town scumbag Exterminator.

Oh, come on!

You did absolutely none of the foot work on that. You can't take credit for that.

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

No, I'll decide what to do later, and we'll see where that leaves us tomorrow, but I'll only dance this dance once. The purpose of the power is not to dick about with it where it does no good, it's to prevent kills as it did last night. If you guys wish to lynch me for it, then go ahead, we'll discuss that when the time comes.

Good luck then, alien scum. Hope you last long enough to pull another fake claim.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 07:39:11 pm

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Argembarger has 18 posts; last on: 2010/11/22 12:34, 5 hours ago. Red text: vote MPB (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1737677#msg1737677). Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703379#msg1703379)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709666#msg1709666)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709741#msg1709741)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710778#msg1710778)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1733068#msg1733068)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1734255#msg1734255)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1735633#msg1735633)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736283#msg1736283)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736804#msg1736804)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1737677#msg1737677)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1737714#msg1737714)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1737812#msg1737812)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739029#msg1739029)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739143#msg1739143)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739283#msg1739283)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739351#msg1739351)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739473#msg1739473)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740384#msg1740384)
Criptfeind: dead, town medium has 28 posts; last on: 2010/11/17 18:26, 120 hours ago.  Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702673#msg1702673)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702708#msg1702708)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703618#msg1703618)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703651#msg1703651)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703655#msg1703655)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703665#msg1703665)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703678#msg1703678)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703688#msg1703688)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703698#msg1703698)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703708#msg1703708)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703727#msg1703727)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703744#msg1703744)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703750#msg1703750)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703815#msg1703815)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703898#msg1703898)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703902#msg1703902)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703942#msg1703942)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704064#msg1704064)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704115#msg1704115)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704129#msg1704129)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705237#msg1705237)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705573#msg1705573)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705726#msg1705726)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705987#msg1705987)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705993#msg1705993)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706060#msg1706060)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706401#msg1706401)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727683#msg1727683)
JanusTwoface has 39 posts; last on: 2010/11/22 12:23, 6 hours ago. Red text: vote Pandarsenic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732753#msg1732753). Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702662#msg1702662)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702696#msg1702696)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702884#msg1702884)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702916#msg1702916)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702950#msg1702950)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703079#msg1703079)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703113#msg1703113)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703149#msg1703149)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703182#msg1703182)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703232#msg1703232)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703768#msg1703768)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703857#msg1703857)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703875#msg1703875)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703986#msg1703986)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703997#msg1703997)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704093#msg1704093)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705138#msg1705138)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706016#msg1706016)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706035#msg1706035)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706057#msg1706057)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706382#msg1706382)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707990#msg1707990)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709552#msg1709552)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710568#msg1710568)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710873#msg1710873)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728120#msg1728120)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728241#msg1728241)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728309#msg1728309)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728412#msg1728412)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730256#msg1730256)[31] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731218#msg1731218)[32] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731283#msg1731283)[33] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731413#msg1731413)[34] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731829#msg1731829)[35] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732753#msg1732753)[36] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739353#msg1739353)[37] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739499#msg1739499)[38] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740178#msg1740178)[39] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740358#msg1740358)
Jim Groovester has 85 posts; last on: 2010/11/22 18:49, 0 hours ago. Red text: Pandarsenic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736475#msg1736475). 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KaminaSquirtle has 69 posts; last on: 2010/11/22 07:41, 10 hours ago. Red text: Unvote. Vote Pandarsenic. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736496#msg1736496). 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Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
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Replacements considered: Eduren => Argembarger; Solifuge => Mish.
The Morgue: Criptfeind: dead, town medium; Org: dead, town medium; SHAD0Wdump: dead, town telepath.

Moderator: please prod Mish, Mysteriousbluepuppet. They haven't posted in over 48 hours.

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The LurkerTracker^®, now with DreathplacementTracking, AutoProd, and the Experimental RedTextFinder!

Notes:
1) The Replacements are included in the post lists: Eduren's show up in Argembarger's and so on. "Moderator" includes posts by Meph and Jokerman.
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3) The RedTextFinder is still experimental, please don't fully trust it yet. It can still get easily confused by quotes, though I think I fixed most of that. Do let me know if your vote isn't correctly reflected, or of other issues.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: webadict on November 22, 2010, 07:46:54 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

PPE: Web, that's exactly what I did, in my third post or so of the day: claim the block and achieve a successful lynch of scum. If it wasn't speedy enough for you, that's your problem, not mine; there was still ample time for discussion and it worked, so bugger off. And I didn't go after you for lurking, I went after you for not playing your town game. That's what I said, and you know it, so you are still lying scum.

My town game? There's no way you can prove that without using your lurking excuse, you liar.

If you want to try, then try. Lying does not suit you very well, especially because you can't do it very well. If you wanted scum lynched, you would've tried to do it as soon as you saw that day started. Instead, you're concerned about living.

I mean, why would you even bother unvoting Pandarsenic? Aren't you convinced that Pandarsenic is scum? Or are you deciding that I'm talking too much about you, you lying scumbag? Seriously, learn to play.

Also, nice work on the ActiveLurker2000. Sorry. I meant LurkerTracker.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 06:49:17 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 22, 2010, 06:39:26 pm

You were going after me because I was "lurking." At least admit it. Now that I'm no longer busy, you can't even find a real target, so you're sticking with your lurker target. I mean, you say I'm lying, but it's true. You don't have any evidence on me, while I, on the other hand, have shown you to be an anti-Town scumbag Exterminator.

Oh, come on!

You did absolutely none of the foot work on that. You can't take credit for that.

I did some! I went back and looked at Stun Bombs. And some other stuff. All in all, it's pretty obvious.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17
Post by: Mephansteras on November 22, 2010, 08:25:59 pm

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Argembarger, Mish
Pandarsenic: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Leafsnail, Mr.Person, Toaster, webadict
webadict: Zathras


  The whiteboard shows that everyone wants to kill Pandarsenic. He doesn't seem to thrilled about it, but shrugs and stands up as webadict picks up the shotgun.

  He grins as webadict levels it at his chest.

  "Betcha it doesn't work." He smirks.

  "We'll see..." says webadict before pulling the trigger. Pandarsenic is blown off his feet but staggers back up.

  "Ha. Damn, that hurts. But you can't kill me with that wimpy gun! I'm too tough for that!"

  "Huh." Webadict brings the shotgun up a bit higher and blasts Pandarsenic in the face. Buckshot rips through his eyes, perforating the brain. His body crumples to the ground.

  "Not so tough now, are you?" he puts the gun back on the table.

  You all watch in fascination as Pandarsenic's body slowly changes. His features melt away, his hair recedes, and his hands form into monstrous claws. Looks like you were right! He was a doppelganger after all! And a pretty tough one at that!

  You happily wander back to your houses. Happy for a time, at least, until you remember that the danger is far from passed. 

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Ok, send in your night actions!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Night 2
Post by: Mephansteras on November 26, 2010, 01:42:22 pm

 As dawn breaks you head back to the courthouse to begin today’s trials.

 After waiting around for a bit, however, you notice that Mr.Person does not join you. Nothing for it, you’ll have to go figure out what happened to him.

 Once at his house you start looking around. The door is locked, but it seems that  one of the windows has been forced open. One of you crawls in and unlocks the door.

 You don’t find Mr.Person anywhere, but you do find blood splatters on a desk and an overturned office chair. A trail of blood leads to the window. You can imagine his fate.

 Looking around, you find notes on everyone in the town as well as an FBI badge. Seems he was an Agent here to investigate the dopps. Sadly, nothing in his notes gives you any clues as to who they might be.

 Resigned, you head back to the courthouse. Much to discuss today.

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Day 3 will go until ~5pm Pacific Monday

Thanks to Joker for doing a bunch of the flavor.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 02:57:14 pm

You're up, Zathras. Let's hear what you did last night, because your head's on the chopping block unless you have a plausible explanation for why you decided to not follow the easy path to confirmation that was laid out for you or a plausible explanation of the night's events.

In the meantime, Leafsnail is still scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 03:19:36 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 02:57:14 pm

You're up, Zathras. Let's hear what you did last night, because your head's on the chopping block unless you have a plausible explanation for why you decided to not follow the easy path to confirmation that was laid out for you or a plausible explanation of the night's events.

In the meantime, Leafsnail is still scum.

He blocked me last night.  I got the chains and all.
He's a physic warden.
It's not against the rules to quote the PM he sent me, right?  If not, I'll do it.

Also: This was a dopp kill, right?
What happened to the exterminator?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 03:29:24 pm

I see nothing against it in the rules, so here is the full conversation:

Quote from: Zathras on November 23, 2010, 12:11:31 am

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 22, 2010, 11:22:49 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 08:06:59 pm

Hey Kamina,  I plan to block you tonight, so you can confirm tomorrow that I am a warden as claimed (y'know, chains and all that). I don't want to do it to JTF, as I think he may be scum, or Jim as it would be too obvious.

If you have a power role that would be severely impacted by a block tonight, or if you are a PWV or have sentry guns, please let me know and I'll choose a different target.

PS: Please keep this to yourself until tomorrow. I would prefer people don't know who I will target until after the fact.

Ok, I'm not that powerful of a role anyway, so I'll go along with this.  No funny business though.  If you nk me and someone isn't blocked, then you will get lynched.
So long as you're really warden, you have nothing to fear.

Right, so we'll do this then. Also, for the record, I just remembered that it wouldn't matter if you were a PWV, since the psychic block happens remotely, so that's OK in any case. Again, please keep this to yourself until the morning.

Cheers,
~z

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 03:44:06 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 02:57:14 pm

You're up, Zathras. Let's hear what you did last night, because your head's on the chopping block unless you have a plausible explanation for why you decided to not follow the easy path to confirmation that was laid out for you or a plausible explanation of the night's events.

I'm curious as to how you jumped to conclusions so fast.  Perhaps you have some kind of communication channel with obvscum JanusTwoFace, the other person who was suggested to be blocked?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 04:04:09 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 03:29:24 pm

I see nothing against it in the rules, so here is the full conversation:

This is enough confirmation for me.

Unvote.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 03:44:06 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 02:57:14 pm

You're up, Zathras. Let's hear what you did last night, because your head's on the chopping block unless you have a plausible explanation for why you decided to not follow the easy path to confirmation that was laid out for you or a plausible explanation of the night's events.

I'm curious as to how you jumped to conclusions so fast.  Perhaps you have some kind of communication channel with obvscum JanusTwoFace, the other person who was suggested to be blocked?

What are you talking about?

Whatever.

Leafsnail. You knew it was Psychic Warden block way yesterday when you read about it in obvscum chat.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 26, 2010, 05:31:02 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 02:57:14 pm

You're up, Zathras. Let's hear what you did last night, because your head's on the chopping block unless you have a plausible explanation for why you decided to not follow the easy path to confirmation that was laid out for you or a plausible explanation of the night's events.

In the meantime, Leafsnail is still scum.

Who could you possibly know that?  You could know that he didn't block you, but he could easily have blocked me or someone else which was his plan for much of yesterday (still not a great plan IMO, but it does seem to be what happened).

And why are you voting him?  Particularly if you think that Leafsnail is still scum?  Something happened that prevented a second kill last night, so if we actually have an Exterminator about then he either didn't attack or got stopped somehow.  Either that, or we completely misread what is going on here.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 03:44:06 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 02:57:14 pm

You're up, Zathras. Let's hear what you did last night, because your head's on the chopping block unless you have a plausible explanation for why you decided to not follow the easy path to confirmation that was laid out for you or a plausible explanation of the night's events.

I'm curious as to how you jumped to conclusions so fast.  Perhaps you have some kind of communication channel with obvscum JanusTwoFace, the other person who was suggested to be blocked?

You're crazy, you know that right? You're so completely wrong about me, but you can't stop now can you?  Unfortunately, you're right about this, something feels off here.

---

Ottofar is my number 1 suspect.  He completely ignored all of the interesting bits of yesterday except to say that Pandarsenic was innocent (wrong) and that Zathras is probably an Alien (wrong, unless he convinced KaminaSquirtle to work with him).  Care to try again?

---

Webadict: I'm curious on your views of what's going on.  Three questions in particular: 
- What do you think of Leafsnail?
- Why do you think there were two kills N1 and one kill N2?
- In your experience with Jim Groovester, what's the craziest gambit you've seen him try?

Mish: You've been lurking hardcore.  The most recent post really on seems to be because people will prodding you to post, so you did, nothing more.  That is not shiny.  Play the game.

Mysteriousbluepuppet: Also lurking. You've been posting other places on the forums though, so it's even worse. Post something worthwhile please.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 05:48:27 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 04:04:09 pm

What are you talking about?

Whatever.

Leafsnail. You knew it was Psychic Warden block way yesterday when you read about it in obvscum chat.

???

Zathras said he would block you or JTF.

You somehow managed to vote him immediately, "knowing" he didn't block you or JTF (somehow).

The last part of your post makes no fucking sense.  What the hell are you talking about?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 26, 2010, 05:56:58 pm

Huh.  Somehow I completely missed Jim's post right before my own (on it's own page maybe?  I'm not sure).  Anyways, you still need to answer both questions:
- Why did you vote Zathras?
- How could you know that Zathras didn't follow the plan?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 06:54:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 26, 2010, 05:56:58 pm

Huh.  Somehow I completely missed Jim's post right before my own (on it's own page maybe?  I'm not sure).  Anyways, you still need to answer both questions:
- Why did you vote Zathras?
- How could you know that Zathras didn't follow the plan?

I'll get to the first question after I answer the second, since that helps in explaining the answer to the first question.

I didn't know whether or not Zathras had or had not followed the plan. I assumed he wasn't going to because he said as much yesterday, about how his power wasn't meant to be dicking around doing nothing blah blah blah blah and you remember him talking about that, right?

This made me pretty damn suspicious of him, and made me expect that he'd try to fakeclaim something. So then when the day finally came around, there was no Exterminator kill, and since I suspected him of being the Exterminator, I was half-expecting that Zathras was going to claim that he blocked the Exterminator which would have been ridiculous and would have clinched it that he was a lying fakeclaimer who should be lynched immediately. So I came out swinging today.

Basically, I assumed he was scum unless he (or anyone else) could prove otherwise. The PMs between him and KaminaSquirtle are enough for me.

I probably could have waited for this information to come out on its own if I didn't want to make a fool of myself.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:01:42 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 05:48:27 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 04:04:09 pm

What are you talking about?

Whatever.

Leafsnail. You knew it was Psychic Warden block way yesterday when you read about it in obvscum chat.

???

Zathras said he would block you or JTF.

You somehow managed to vote him immediately, "knowing" he didn't block you or JTF (somehow).

The last part of your post makes no fucking sense.  What the hell are you talking about?

Haha, the irony here is delicious.
You both accuse for something related to scumchat, and both don't get what the other is talking about.
Jim means that you knew in advance that it was a warden block because you heard that it was from Pandar in the scumchat.

As for my suspicions, Ottofar and Leafsnail top the list for me.  Mish and MBP's lurking has me worried though.  If they don't come out of the woodwork and start contributing soon, my vote will shift to one of them.

Ottofar is my vote for now, as there a possibility that Leafsnail is just raging townie who is absolutely convinced that JTF and I are scum.
Speaking of that, do you still think I'm scum after what happened last night with Zathras, Leafsnail?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Argembarger on November 26, 2010, 07:04:13 pm

Oh hey, it's day 3.

Lurkers best stop lurking, soon.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 03:19:36 pm

Also: This was a dopp kill, right?
What happened to the exterminator?

The flavor is almost certainly dopp, what with the blood-trail-leading-out-the-window thing.

The rules do not specify whether or not the Exterminator is required to kill every night. Did the Exterminator just take a no-kill night? If so, how often can that happen?

Unless, the Exterminator DID get blocked, I suppose.

Hmm...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:12:21 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on November 26, 2010, 07:04:13 pm

The rules do not specify whether or not the Exterminator is required to kill every night. Did the Exterminator just take a no-kill night? If so, how often can that happen?

Unless, the Exterminator DID get blocked, I suppose.

Hmm...

He could have.  But I see no reason for him to have done so.

I think he was blocked.  Anyone other than Zathras who blocked last night better claim.

And before anyone suggests I'm the exterminator because I was blocked, you better explain why I was so eager to post that PM, and why I went along with Zathras's plan, among other things.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Argembarger on November 26, 2010, 07:15:24 pm

That wouldn't make sense anyway, because Exterminators have natural Mind Shields, so the Psychic Warden would have no effect.

The Exterminator would have had to get blocked in a more physical sense.

But, are you sure the Exterminator is allowed to have a no-kill option? The rules make them seem a little more like an Overeager Vigilante, where they MUST choose to kill.

I'd like some clarification before I think this through much further.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:17:00 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on November 26, 2010, 07:04:13 pm

The rules do not specify whether or not the Exterminator is required to kill every night. Did the Exterminator just take a no-kill night? If so, how often can that happen?

Unless, the Exterminator DID get blocked, I suppose.

Hmm...

It's unlikely the Exterminator was blocked, since he has a Mind Shield by default. So if he was blocked, then it would have to be by a Stun Orb, but what are the chances of an alien blocking another alien? Pretty slim, I think.

So, more likely, the kill was prevented by other means, like a Guardian picking his target well.

The Exterminator is not required to kill every night. The dopps are required to kill somebody after two nights without a kill.

PPE: You people talk too fast.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:12:21 pm

And before anyone suggests I'm the exterminator because I was blocked, you better explain why I was so eager to post that PM, and why I went along with Zathras's plan, among other things.

Why are you preemptively defending yourself from an accusation that nobody has leveled against you? You could have had that PM exchange to fool everybody, for all I know.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:28:39 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:17:00 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:12:21 pm

And before anyone suggests I'm the exterminator because I was blocked, you better explain why I was so eager to post that PM, and why I went along with Zathras's plan, among other things.

Why are you preemptively defending yourself from an accusation that nobody has leveled against you? You could have had that PM exchange to fool everybody, for all I know.

Because that's how everyone found Pandar, and because I didn't know that exterminators have natural mind shields.
What with Leafsnail hating on me as much as he can, I figured that's what he would claim next.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 07:36:01 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:17:00 pm

Why are you preemptively defending yourself from an accusation that nobody has leveled against you? You could have had that PM exchange to fool everybody, for all I know.

See, this is why I think you're scum.

Zathras as scum doesn't really make any sense.  As a doppelganger, he bussed his partner and rendered his ability basically useless for the rest of the game.  As an alien, he chose a terrible tech choices and basically committed suicide (trading himself one for one with a doppelganger even though the dopps have more members than the aliens).

And yet you still try to cling on to the idea of lynching someone who's almost certainly a fairly powerful town role.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:01:42 pm

Haha, the irony here is delicious.
You both accuse for something related to scumchat, and both don't get what the other is talking about.
Jim means that you knew in advance that it was a warden block because you heard that it was from Pandar in the scumchat.

I have no idea what you mean.  I explained the slight mistake I made yesterday, and noone's taken issue with that explanation.  If you want to, go ahead.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:01:42 pm

Ottofar is my vote for now, as there a possibility that Leafsnail is just raging townie who is absolutely convinced that JTF and I are scum.
Speaking of that, do you still think I'm scum after what happened last night with Zathras, Leafsnail?

Well, you gave out sensitive role information to someone you thought was scum (and now to the town).  Perfectly logical, right?

And I'm not claiming you're the exterminator, because the exterminator has a mind shield.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:45:13 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 07:36:01 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:01:42 pm

Haha, the irony here is delicious.
You both accuse for something related to scumchat, and both don't get what the other is talking about.
Jim means that you knew in advance that it was a warden block because you heard that it was from Pandar in the scumchat.

I have no idea what you mean.  I explained the slight mistake I made yesterday, and noone's taken issue with that explanation.  If you want to, go ahead.

I'm just saying what Jim said, seeing as you said it made no sense.  I think I may have misinterpreted you.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 07:36:01 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:01:42 pm

Ottofar is my vote for now, as there a possibility that Leafsnail is just raging townie who is absolutely convinced that JTF and I are scum.
Speaking of that, do you still think I'm scum after what happened last night with Zathras, Leafsnail?

Well, you gave out sensitive role information to someone you thought was scum (and now to the town).  Perfectly logical, right?

And I'm not claiming you're the exterminator, because the exterminator has a mind shield.

Sensitive role info?  All I said was that it wasn't that strong of a role.  I found the advantage of avoiding a possible mislynch greater than that of my role.  I see little sensitive about that.

That was before I knew about the mind shield thing, it makes no sense now that I know that.
I'd still like to know whether you still find me dopp, though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:52:12 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 07:36:01 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:17:00 pm

Why are you preemptively defending yourself from an accusation that nobody has leveled against you? You could have had that PM exchange to fool everybody, for all I know.

See, this is why I think you're scum.

Zathras as scum doesn't really make any sense.  As a doppelganger, he bussed his partner and rendered his ability basically useless for the rest of the game.  As an alien, he chose a terrible tech choices and basically committed suicide (trading himself one for one with a doppelganger even though the dopps have more members than the aliens).

And yet you still try to cling on to the idea of lynching someone who's almost certainly a fairly powerful town role.

You're a dumbass.

I mean, my fucking goodness, do you really think I was seriously considering that as a likely possibility?

I know it doesn't make sense, you peanutbrained isle-dwelling bottomfeeder, but I think it's odd nonetheless that KaminaSquirtle is going out of his way to deny an accusation before it appears.

My interest in the scenario is piqued but I still don't think it's very likely, which is why my vote is on you and not on them.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 07:55:56 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:52:12 pm

You're a dumbass.

I mean, my fucking goodness, do you really think I was seriously considering that as a likely possibility?

I know it doesn't make sense, you peanutbrained isle-dwelling bottomfeeder, but I think it's odd nonetheless that KaminaSquirtle is going out of his way to deny an accusation before it appears.

My interest in the scenario is piqued but I still don't think it's very likely, which is why my vote is on you and not on them.

Hmm... what was it you said yesterday again?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 01:44:58 pm

Why did you flip the fuck out over it in the first place?

Blah blah overreactions are scummy blah blah.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 08:07:11 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:28:39 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:17:00 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:12:21 pm

And before anyone suggests I'm the exterminator because I was blocked, you better explain why I was so eager to post that PM, and why I went along with Zathras's plan, among other things.

Why are you preemptively defending yourself from an accusation that nobody has leveled against you? You could have had that PM exchange to fool everybody, for all I know.

Because that's how everyone found Pandar, and because I didn't know that exterminators have natural mind shields.
What with Leafsnail hating on me as much as he can, I figured that's what he would claim next.

But if you go out of your way to defend yourself from accusations that haven't occurred yet, you look jumpy. Jumpy people look like they have something to hide, so jumpy people look scummy.

Since you knew exactly what you were going to say to defend yourself, why did you bring it up in the first place? Since you were prepared, why not just wait for the accusation to come?

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 07:55:56 pm

Hmm... what was it you said yesterday again?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 01:44:58 pm

Why did you flip the fuck out over it in the first place?

Blah blah overreactions are scummy blah blah.

True fact: Whenever I go blah blah blah in the middle of a post it means I don't take what I say very seriously. Usually I do it to represent what I think somebody would say if they wanted to be unreasonable or stubborn or idiotic.

Also, it's not an overreaction to express how much of an idiot I think you are. That's a favor.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Mephansteras on November 26, 2010, 08:10:12 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
Leafsnail: Jim Groovester
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, KaminaSquirtle

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 08:24:43 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 08:07:11 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:28:39 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 07:17:00 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:12:21 pm

And before anyone suggests I'm the exterminator because I was blocked, you better explain why I was so eager to post that PM, and why I went along with Zathras's plan, among other things.

Why are you preemptively defending yourself from an accusation that nobody has leveled against you? You could have had that PM exchange to fool everybody, for all I know.

Because that's how everyone found Pandar, and because I didn't know that exterminators have natural mind shields.
What with Leafsnail hating on me as much as he can, I figured that's what he would claim next.

But if you go out of your way to defend yourself from accusations that haven't occurred yet, you look jumpy. Jumpy people look like they have something to hide, so jumpy people look scummy.

Since you knew exactly what you were going to say to defend yourself, why did you bring it up in the first place? Since you were prepared, why not just wait for the accusation to come?

Because, to me, it seemed obvious that someone would accuse me of that, and it's fun to preemptively point out someone's plan.
Obviously I was wrong.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 08:27:24 pm

Heh.  Your interest in the scenario is apparently only piqued, but you're still pursuing it.  Just as you did yesterday, and as you will continue to do from this point on.

The very fact you even attacked Zathras in the first place when you knew he'd have a chance to prove himself if he were town is ridiculously scummy.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Toaster on November 26, 2010, 08:45:43 pm

Hmm.  Zath's clearly not a dopp, and I tend to buy his warden claim.  I have trouble seeing a Kamina/Zath exty-op combo, so I'll have to ponder Kamina's case.  In the mean time...

Ottofar:

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.
I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.
Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.
I'm gonna go sleep.

This post demands explanation.
While you're explaining it, please tell me if this explanation makes sense to you:  You're an Alien Survivor who used Pandar's obvscumminess as an opportunity to come out to the scum team so you can help them win at LYLO.

Mish hasn't posted since the 19th, and probably needs to be replaced.

MBP has no such excuse.  You're willfully ignoring this thread since you were just on the forum.  Get in here or die.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Thank you Kamina for posting that; I'm glad we can move on.

Webadict:

You are still at the top of my list. Your game has done nothing to help town; your posts have been devoid of content or hunting, except for attacking the one person who was attacking you; your attitude yesterday was suspicious; and your activity minimal, posting only often enough to not be accused of lurking, and yet doing next to nothing in those posts. I am pretty sure you are scum.


Janus & Jim:

I don't buy that either of you is town. Jim, your eagerness to jump on my case as the day started is scummy, and revealed suspicious knowledge: how did you know I didn't block Janus? Yes, I read your explanation, and I don't buy it. It seems you have other means of communication, and we know what that means.

Janus, your killing of Org was suspicious, as I said, plus your request to be blocked; your "missing" the point of Jim's first message of the day adds to this. I am not sure you are scum, but you are high on my list of possibilities.

More substance on both of these will come later in the game day, I'm busy now.


Mish & MBP:

MOD: I strongly request a forced replace or modkill for these two. People lurking for a couple of days is a challenge that the town must spot and stop. People not posting in a fucking week is something the Mod should remedy.

But we can make it easier for you: replacements are hard to come by, and someone replacing MBP would face 600 posts and the town's animosity; since he's posting elsewhere, his lurking is the activity of scum, and should just hang for it instead of going through the replacement pains. I will support a lynch of MysteriousBluePuppet if people decide to go for it. I think Web is scummier, but MBP's absence hurts the game more. Hanging either of these scumbags is OK with me.

Even if he comes back now, it is too late for him. I would go as far as to suggest people here who host their own games to remember his attitude this game and prevent him from joining games in the future. If only we had some sort of a thread to help mods keep track of people's attendance... but we don't seem to want that either.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Argembarger on November 27, 2010, 04:03:43 pm

Mod: Have Mish and MBP been prodded at all?

Just to rule out MBP legitimately forgetting this game exists, or something.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Mephansteras on November 27, 2010, 05:57:00 pm

Both have been prodded. Mish has not responded, so I'm doing a forced replace of him.

Replacement requested for Mish

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 27, 2010, 09:11:04 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 06:54:07 pm

This made me pretty damn suspicious of him, and made me expect that he'd try to fakeclaim something. So then when the day finally came around, there was no Exterminator kill, and since I suspected him of being the Exterminator, I was half-expecting that Zathras was going to claim that he blocked the Exterminator which would have been ridiculous and would have clinched it that he was a lying fakeclaimer who should be lynched immediately. So I came out swinging today.

So you jumped the gun somewhat more extensively than the times you've claimed others have done the same as you? At this point, I don't think you'd be crazy enough to try what I'm guessing, but that doesn't mean it doesn't seem suspicious.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 26, 2010, 07:04:13 pm

Oh hey, it's day 3.

Lurkers best stop lurking, soon.

... <snip> ...

This is a *very* active lurky post. 

I went back and the last time you really pushed for anything would have been on Nov 21 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739029#msg1739029) (if you can find a newer post link me to it). Pretty much everything since then has been vague meta-commentary on how roles work, when games are active, and the like not really adding anything new to the conversation.

Active lurking == scummy.  You == active lurking.  Ergo, you are scummy. Behind Ottofar. Wish we had more than one lynch. :-\

Quote from: Toaster on November 26, 2010, 08:45:43 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

...

This post demands explanation.
While you're explaining it, please tell me if this explanation makes sense to you:  You're an Alien Survivor who used Pandar's obvscumminess as an opportunity to come out to the scum team so you can help them win at LYLO.

If Ottofar is a Survivor, he's really bad at it. Why would he try to defend Pandarsenic? If he was going to try to work with the Dopps, he could have done that before the lynch. I think he's just scum (and bad at that as well).

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Janus, your killing of Org was suspicious, as I said, plus your request to be blocked; your "missing" the point of Jim's first message of the day adds to this. I am not sure you are scum, but you are high on my list of possibilities.

I didn't miss the point of his first post of the day, I missed the first post of the page here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1751834#msg1751834). It wasn't until later that he actually explained that he was assuming that you had gone off on your own because there was no Exterminator kill. So really you're going after me for the Org thing and ... what else? Nothing really.

I still don't get the bit why you wouldn't actually want to block me if you thought I was scum. It's not like you have a physical role that would set off a PWV (if I were lying, but that would mean someone else killed Org and hasn't claimed it...).

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

But we can make it easier for you: replacements are hard to come by, and someone replacing MBP would face 600 posts and the town's animosity; since he's posting elsewhere, his lurking is the activity of scum, and should just hang for it instead of going through the replacement pains. I will support a lynch of MysteriousBluePuppet if people decide to go for it. I think Web is scummier, but MBP's absence hurts the game more. Hanging either of these scumbags is OK with me.

If you want him lynched, vote for him. Hanging back until you see a consensus is scummy, even in a case like this. I'd rather see Ottofar either contribute something that isn't scummy or hang first.

Especially if you think of this: There are three dopps left. You think webadict is scummy enough to vote for and "don't buy that either of [Jim or I] is town" and yet you still are okay with a MBP lynch.  Why is this?  Because it really looks like you just want to get a lynch through on someone and don't particularly care who.  Either that or you really think that you have the entire Dopp team + the Exterminator nailed down (pro tip: in any game, if you think this you're either scum or wrong 95% of the time)

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Even if he comes back now, it is too late for him. I would go as far as to suggest people here who host their own games to remember his attitude this game and prevent him from joining games in the future. If only we had some sort of a thread to help mods keep track of people's attendance... but we don't seem to want that either.

Not really going to help this game... But it's something to consider.

---

MOD(s): Could you mark in the OP who's up for replacement? I'm 95% sure it's only Mish right now, but it would be easier if there were a list.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 hates the government
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2010, 10:02:33 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

More substance on both of these will come later in the game day, I'm busy now.

So, should I be waiting for this? It's a waste of time for me to be waiting for something that will never come, but it's also a waste of time for me to respond to your worthless single line accusation that I already answered to somebody else if you have other stuff you want to bring to the table.

But I'm impatient.

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

I don't buy that either of you is town. Jim, your eagerness to jump on my case as the day started is scummy, and revealed suspicious knowledge: how did you know I didn't block Janus? Yes, I read your explanation, and I don't buy it. It seems you have other means of communication, and we know what that means.

This is moronic.

When you say things like this:

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

No, I'll decide what to do later, and we'll see where that leaves us tomorrow, but I'll only dance this dance once. The purpose of the power is not to dick about with it where it does no good, it's to prevent kills as it did last night. If you guys wish to lynch me for it, then go ahead, we'll discuss that when the time comes.

I assume you are not going to follow along with the plan.

But no, you are right. The only plausible explanation for why I came out voting for you today is because I read about it in scumchat, instead of the astronomically improbable explanation that when you defiantly stated you were not going to follow the plan I believed you.

To put it bluntly, Zathras, why are you being retarded? You don't have to believe what I say, but you do need to think it through. Why is it so improbable that I believed you when you were being a defiant fucker about being confirmed?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 27, 2010, 10:10:10 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

No, I'll decide what to do later, and we'll see where that leaves us tomorrow, but I'll only dance this dance once. The purpose of the power is not to dick about with it where it does no good, it's to prevent kills as it did last night. If you guys wish to lynch me for it, then go ahead, we'll discuss that when the time comes.

He never said he wouldn't follow the plan.  Just that he'd "decide what to do later".

So where does "defiantly stated you were not going to follow the plan" come from?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2010, 12:11:52 am

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

No, I'll decide what to do later, and we'll see where that leaves us tomorrow, but I'll only dance this dance once. The purpose of the power is not to dick about with it where it does no good, it's to prevent kills as it did last night. If you guys wish to lynch me for it, then go ahead, we'll discuss that when the time comes.

That sounds like a big "Fuck you!" to the people who wanted to confirm him.

Thanks for interjecting on Zathras' behalf. Again.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 28, 2010, 12:32:46 am

Janus:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 27, 2010, 09:11:04 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 26, 2010, 08:45:43 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

...

This post demands explanation.
While you're explaining it, please tell me if this explanation makes sense to you:  You're an Alien Survivor who used Pandar's obvscumminess as an opportunity to come out to the scum team so you can help them win at LYLO.

If Ottofar is a Survivor, he's really bad at it. Why would he try to defend Pandarsenic? If he was going to try to work with the Dopps, he could have done that before the lynch. I think he's just scum (and bad at that as well).

I can't guess his motivation- that is why I asked him for an explanation.  I'm quite interested in hearing it.

Let's go back to an old favorite while I wait for him to reply.

Kamina:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:01:42 pm

As for my suspicions, Ottofar and Leafsnail top the list for me.  Mish and MBP's lurking has me worried though.  If they don't come out of the woodwork and start contributing soon, my vote will shift to one of them.

Ottofar is my vote for now, as there a possibility that Leafsnail is just raging townie who is absolutely convinced that JTF and I are scum.
Speaking of that, do you still think I'm scum after what happened last night with Zathras, Leafsnail?

You neglect to mention WHY you're voting him.  I read back quite a ways and never saw you express a suspicion of him, so I must ask why you think so now.  I also note you're leaving a convenient out for your suspicions of Leafsnail, in case he turns town on you.


Meph:  Requesting prod on Webadict and Ottofar as well- neither have posted since day start.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 12:47:23 am

Quote from: Toaster on November 28, 2010, 12:32:46 am

You neglect to mention WHY you're voting him.  I read back quite a ways and never saw you express a suspicion of him, so I must ask why you think so now.  I also note you're leaving a convenient out for your suspicions of Leafsnail, in case he turns town on you.

I didn't?  Hmm.
Well, it's because he's pretty much contributed nothing, and what he has posted looks awfully scummy.  Not much else to it.  I didn't have too much to go on this day start.  Obviously my vote hasn't really gotten much (any) reaction from him yet, as I had hoped.

As for Leafsnail, he's starting to look less and less scum to me.  He has been a bit reactionary and tunnely, but I've been realizing that's just how he is.

However, he still hasn't answered my question:  Does he still find me scum after the Zathras stuff tonight?  What would that mean to the situation as a whole?

I'm too tired to formulate a proper analysis right now, but JTF and Jim have been posting some interesting stuff.  My vote may be changing soon.  I just need to make sure I've thought everything over.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2010, 01:35:41 am

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 12:47:23 am

As for Leafsnail, he's starting to look less and less scum to me.  He has been a bit reactionary and tunnely, but I've been realizing that's just how he is.

Maybe you should wait for the roleflip before you make any judgments about his playstyle.

Leafsnail has had absolutely no variation in his suspicions throughout the whole game. He's been calling you and JTF obvscum since Day 1. Obvscum. This has apparently been clear to him and nobody else. And this is all for stuff you and JTF did early on in Day 1, completely ignoring everything else you and JTF have done since then and completely ignoring everybody else.

Does this really seem like something a townie would do? Make up his mind early on Day 1, and then never change his mind, or even his focus?

No, Leafsnail is scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 09:06:06 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2010, 12:11:52 am

That sounds like a big "Fuck you!" to the people who wanted to confirm him.

Thanks for interjecting on Zathras' behalf. Again.

It doesn't.  It's responding specifically to Pandarsenic's suggestion that he spend the entire rest of the game wasting his ability on volunteers.

And I'll interject on the behalf of a virtually confirmed townie whenever I like, thank you.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2010, 01:35:41 am

Does this really seem like something a townie would do? Make up his mind early on Day 1, and then never change his mind, or even his focus?

If he's found scum?  Yes.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Ottofar on November 28, 2010, 12:04:14 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 26, 2010, 08:45:43 pm

Ottofar:

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.
I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.
Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.
I'm gonna go sleep.

This post demands explanation.
While you're explaining it, please tell me if this explanation makes sense to you:  You're an Alien Survivor who used Pandar's obvscumminess as an opportunity to come out to the scum team so you can help them win at LYLO.

It could, but no.

Also, explanation could be posting exhausted, just to check in at the day end.

And the lack of chains. And me not thinking about Pandar until then.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 28, 2010, 05:39:01 pm

Ottofar:  That's a pretty terrible explanation, especially considering you didn't even bother to comment to anyone else talking to you, or on anything else that's happened today.

Kamina:  Noted.  Looking forward to your "proper analysis."

Leafsnail:  I can't help but notice you still haven't answered Kamina's question.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 05:46:09 pm

I thought I did, but apparently I only implied it and didn't say it explicitly.

Yes, I do.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on November 28, 2010, 06:52:17 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 27, 2010, 09:11:04 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Janus, your killing of Org was suspicious, as I said, plus your request to be blocked; your "missing" the point of Jim's first message of the day adds to this. I am not sure you are scum, but you are high on my list of possibilities.

I didn't miss the point of his first post of the day, I missed the first post of the page here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1751834#msg1751834). It wasn't until later that he actually explained that he was assuming that you had gone off on your own because there was no Exterminator kill. So really you're going after me for the Org thing and ... what else? Nothing really.

Yeah... I don't have much more than that on you, that's why I'm not voting you. You seem scummy to me, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I'll be watching you closely, though.

Quote from: JTF

I still don't get the bit why you wouldn't actually want to block me if you thought I was scum. It's not like you have a physical role that would set off a PWV (if I were lying, but that would mean someone else killed Org and hasn't claimed it...).

As my note to Kamina made embarrassingly clear, the non-physicality of the thing was not immediately obvious to me until I reread my role PM in preparation of sending the night action. This is my first paranormal, so it being a remote action was not clear on my mind. Yes, I was worried you were setting me up to be killed by sentry guns or somesuch, but this was a baseless worry.

Quote from: JTF

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

I will support a lynch of MysteriousBluePuppet if people decide to go for it. I think Web is scummier, but MBP's absence hurts the game more. Hanging either of these scumbags is OK with me.

If you want him lynched, vote for him. Hanging back until you see a consensus is scummy, even in a case like this.

They should both be hanged, but for different reasons. Web is the scummiest, so I'm voting him as that's how one plays the game -- lynch the scummiest. MBP hanging, on the other hand, is more of a meta-game argument: his absence hurts the game, and his replacement would give a scummy player an unwarranted clean slate; the game would proceed better if he hangs. He is certainly scummy enough to deserve to hang. But I only have one vote, so I'm telling people that if we wish to pursue a meta-gaming lynch for the benefit of all players, I'll support it. It's better than having two inactive players murking the waters; it interferes with all our abilities to successfully scumhunt or narrow possibilities down. The game would be better with him gone, so if I can help make it so, I will.

Quote from: JTF

Either that or you really think that you have the entire Dopp team + the Exterminator nailed down (pro tip: in any game, if you think this you're either scum or wrong 95% of the time)

I certainly don't think I have all the scum nailed down. In fact, I went as far as saying "I'm not sure you're scum", didn't I? Saying that I did, in the face of that statement in the post you were replying to, seems like a wilful misreading and misrepresentation of the statement, doesn't it? Also known as a "lie"...

Quote from: JTF

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Even if he comes back now, it is too late for him. I would go as far as to suggest people here who host their own games to remember his attitude this game and prevent him from joining games in the future. If only we had some sort of a thread to help mods keep track of people's attendance... but we don't seem to want that either.

Not really going to help this game... But it's something to consider.

It is, isn't it? Offtopic question: why did you never submit Sorcerer's I results to the new attendance tracking thread?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2010, 10:02:33 pm

When you say things like this:

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

No, I'll decide what to do later, and we'll see where that leaves us tomorrow, but I'll only dance this dance once. The purpose of the power is not to dick about with it where it does no good, it's to prevent kills as it did last night. If you guys wish to lynch me for it, then go ahead, we'll discuss that when the time comes.

I assume you are not going to follow along with the plan.

But no, you are right. The only plausible explanation for why I came out voting for you today is because I read about it in scumchat, instead of the astronomically improbable explanation that when you defiantly stated you were not going to follow the plan I believed you.

To put it bluntly, Zathras, why are you being retarded? You don't have to believe what I say, but you do need to think it through. Why is it so improbable that I believed you when you were being a defiant fucker about being confirmed?

Nevermind, I see now that you were indeed too retarded to read my post in context, and merely went mad with rage at the thought that people weren't submitting to your will and following your commands. It wasn't scumchat, it was brain damage.

To make it clear for you: I don't take orders from you, boy. I will play how I choose, and your barking like a mad chihuahua has no bearing on my decision making process. I decided it was a good idea to waste my action one night if it would help assuage doubts, but once is enough. The blocking will be henceforth used how I decide is best, with the intent of preventing another kill and nailing more scum. Suggestions are welcome; orders can be shoved up the issuer's ass.

I think it laughable that people were actually thinking following Pandar's advice was good for town. Yeah, no ulterior motives there....


Webadict: please grace us with your presence. Questions for you: what is your read of JTF, Toaster and Arembarger? Would you support a lynch of MBP? Do you buy my warden claim now? Who do you think performed the Dopp kill last night? Do you have speculations on the lack of an exterminator kill? Who are the scummiest on your list at the moment? What have you done in favour of town in the entire game?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

Unvote.

Jim:  I think this is just how Leafsnail is, just look around the other forums, this seems consistent with his posting style in general.
However, he just rocketed up my scum list.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 05:46:09 pm

I thought I did, but apparently I only implied it and didn't say it explicitly.

Yes, I do.

No you didn't.  You avoided it until someone other that I pointed it out.  And I can see why.  Whichever way you answer, you would put yourself in trouble.  If you suddenly didn't find me scum, then you would be accused of giving up way too quickly, and waffling.  Or so you would think.  I personally could see a townie not finding me scum after that, but maybe others' opinions would differ.  And if you still find me scum, as you have said you do, you open a new can of worms.

So, I'm scum, eh?  Then there's a good possibility of Zathras being scum too.  However, you said of him:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 09:06:06 am

And I'll interject on the behalf of a virtually confirmed townie whenever I like, thank you.

Lies.  He's not at all a virtually confirmed townie if I'm scum.  We could very easily be scumbuddies.  Yet you don't even mention this possibility at all.
In fact, if I'm scum, then a whole a shit ton of possibilities arise around Zathras.  But you find it easier to call him a virtually confirmed townie, completely ignoring all said possibilities.
His lack of comment on such a large development is worrying.  He deliberately ignores my question, then gives a three word answer.  A townie would have brought it up immediately, considering the possibilities arising from my being scum, that is, Zathras being scum too.  He also ignores all the questions presented by such a belief, such as: if I am scum, and Zathras is town, why didn't I lie about Zathras, tell everyone that he didn't block me, so as to get a townie lynched?  Maybe he can think up a good answer to that question.  But, the point remains that he didn't bring any of this up earlier, despite it being critical to town success.  Only scum would want to sweep something like this under the carpet.
You're scum, Leafsnail.  This slip shall be your end.

Ottofar Case:  He still looks pretty scummy to me, the issue being, his town game is just as scummy as scum game.  I can't get a proper read on him.

Thoughts on Jim:  I'll keep this short, since I find Leafsnail scum and Jim scum to be mutually exclusive.  Jim had me suspicious because of his eagerness to jump on Zathras, as if he had some sort of communication with JTF.  (This has already been brought up by Leafsnail.)  Another reason was I was starting to get the feeling Jim was focusing on Leafsnail too much.  But I don't think both he and Leafsnail are scum.  I'll be paying close attention to him nevertheless.

Thoughts on JTF:  Now that I've had a proper look at his posts, I don't really think he's that scummy anymore.  He's actually been making good points.  He hasn't been pushing particularly strongly.  This may just be his playstyle.  I'll be watching him to get a better read.

Webadict:  LOOK I PUT CAPS LOCK ON SO YOU WOULD GET IN HERE SO PLEASE DO K BYE.

Argembarger:  I think you don't really know how to play yet, but JTF is right, you've been awfully active-lurky.  Step up your game.

Mod:  When did MBP respond to your prod?  He still hasn't posted and I'm getting sick of it.  It may be time for a forced replace/modkill.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 08:00:03 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

No you didn't.  You avoided it until someone other that I pointed it out.  And I can see why.  Whichever way you answer, you would put yourself in trouble.  If you suddenly didn't find me scum, then you would be accused of giving up way too quickly, and waffling.  Or so you would think.  I personally could see a townie not finding me scum after that, but maybe others' opinions would differ.  And if you still find me scum, as you have said you do, you open a new can of worms.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 07:36:01 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:01:42 pm

Speaking of that, do you still think I'm scum after what happened last night with Zathras, Leafsnail?

Well, you gave out sensitive role information to someone you thought was scum (and now to the town).  Perfectly logical, right?

And I'm not claiming you're the exterminator, because the exterminator has a mind shield.

This is my implication (which was in answer to the initial question).  I probably should've put "Yes, I think you're scum" in the middle, but whatever.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

So, I'm scum, eh?  Then there's a good possibility of Zathras being scum too.  However, you said of him:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 09:06:06 am

And I'll interject on the behalf of a virtually confirmed townie whenever I like, thank you.

Lies.  He's not at all a virtually confirmed townie if I'm scum.  We could very easily be scumbuddies.  Yet you don't even mention this possibility at all.
In fact, if I'm scum, then a whole a shit ton of possibilities arise around Zathras.  But you find it easier to call him a virtually confirmed townie, completely ignoring all said possibilities.

There's no logic in that train of thought at all.

His being virtually confirmed has nothing to do with your alignment at all.  The reason he's almost certainly not a doppelganger is that that would mean he got one of his buddies lynched and rendered his role (one of the best roles for dopps) useless for the entire game.  The reason he's almost certainly not an alien is because an alien block is one shot, and so claiming a block on Pandarsenic would be, at best, delayed suicide.

Notice that your alignment doesn't affect either of these.  And the fact that you spin hypotheticals about the two of you being scum makes me more sure you're scum and he isn't.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

His lack of comment on such a large development is worrying.  He deliberately ignores my question, then gives a three word answer.  A townie would have brought it up immediately, considering the possibilities arising from my being scum, that is, Zathras being scum too.  He also ignores all the questions presented by such a belief, such as: if I am scum, and Zathras is town, why didn't I lie about Zathras, tell everyone that he didn't block me, so as to get a townie lynched?  Maybe he can think up a good answer to that question.  But, the point remains that he didn't bring any of this up earlier, despite it being critical to town success.  Only scum would want to sweep something like this under the carpet.

I did answer it immediately, just without the explicit bit you wanted.  So I added to explicit bit you wanted.  Look above for why the Zathras bit of your argument is bullshit.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

You're scum, Leafsnail.  This slip shall be your end.

This entire thing is quite funny, actually.

Your main problem seems to be that you think I ignored your question.  Ok, fair enough - you should've voted me to get an answer (maybe calling me scum in the process).  But you don't.  In fact, you don't vote me until it's absolutely clear I think you're scum.  THEN you get annoyed about me missing it, THEN you make a complete U-turn on everything and start voting me again.

In other words, this is one of the most blatant OMGUSs you can possibly do.  Somehow, I think that if I said "No, I don't think you're scum" you wouldn't have this reaction.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

Thoughts on Jim:  I'll keep this short, since I find Leafsnail scum and Jim scum to be mutually exclusive.  Jim had me suspicious because of his eagerness to jump on Zathras, as if he had some sort of communication with JTF.  (This has already been brought up by Leafsnail.)  Another reason was I was starting to get the feeling Jim was focusing on Leafsnail too much.  But I don't think both he and Leafsnail are scum.  I'll be paying close attention to him nevertheless.

Thoughts on JTF:  Now that I've had a proper look at his posts, I don't really think he's that scummy anymore.  He's actually been making good points.  He hasn't been pushing particularly strongly.  This may just be his playstyle.  I'll be watching him to get a better read.[/quote]
Hey, being called scum seems to have inverted two of your main suspicions.  Interesting.  I wonder why.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 28, 2010, 10:07:25 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

Mod:  When did MBP respond to your prod?  He still hasn't posted and I'm getting sick of it.  It may be time for a forced replace/modkill.

It's been a bit, but with the holiday weekend I'm being a bit more lax. If he doesn't post Monday I'll do a forced replace.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 08:00:03 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

So, I'm scum, eh?  Then there's a good possibility of Zathras being scum too.  However, you said of him:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 09:06:06 am

And I'll interject on the behalf of a virtually confirmed townie whenever I like, thank you.

Lies.  He's not at all a virtually confirmed townie if I'm scum.  We could very easily be scumbuddies.  Yet you don't even mention this possibility at all.
In fact, if I'm scum, then a whole a shit ton of possibilities arise around Zathras.  But you find it easier to call him a virtually confirmed townie, completely ignoring all said possibilities.

There's no logic in that train of thought at all.

His being virtually confirmed has nothing to do with your alignment at all.  The reason he's almost certainly not a doppelganger is that that would mean he got one of his buddies lynched and rendered his role (one of the best roles for dopps) useless for the entire game.  The reason he's almost certainly not an alien is because an alien block is one shot, and so claiming a block on Pandarsenic would be, at best, delayed suicide.

Notice that your alignment doesn't affect either of these.  And the fact that you spin hypotheticals about the two of you being scum makes me more sure you're scum and he isn't.

I'm... gonna have to agree with Leafsnail here. It doesn't make any sense for a townie to come out and start going "I could be scum! And if I'm scum, he's scum too! We're scum together, or something! Or maybe not, who knows!?"

To me, that just looks like you're resigning yourself to being found out as scum, and wanting to throw out some WIFOM and drag someone else down with you. I'm not as sure of your alignment as Leafsnail is, though. But, being indignant about him not thinking someone else is scum when he thinks you are scum is kind of strange.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 08:00:03 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

You're scum, Leafsnail.  This slip shall be your end.

This entire thing is quite funny, actually.

Your main problem seems to be that you think I ignored your question.  Ok, fair enough - you should've voted me to get an answer (maybe calling me scum in the process).  But you don't.  In fact, you don't vote me until it's absolutely clear I think you're scum.  THEN you get annoyed about me missing it, THEN you make a complete U-turn on everything and start voting me again.

In other words, this is one of the most blatant OMGUSs you can possibly do.  Somehow, I think that if I said "No, I don't think you're scum" you wouldn't have this reaction.

This is making a surprising amount of sense to me.

But, OK.

Here are my thoughts on the situation.

Jim
-Aggressive as hell. But he's been getting so many effective results. I'm almost certain he's town.

Leafsnail
-Started attacking Kamina on Nov. 10 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705211#msg1705211)
-Personally, until the points he just made, I basically figured he was tunneling Kamina for some reason. Yeah, I think he makes good points, but the pressure he was laying on Kamina looked almost like torture. If you pressure someone that much for that long, they're eventually going to crack and plead guilty, whether they are or not. I mean, Kamina could very well be scum. But if he is, Leafsnail has gogdamn SUPERPOWERS for figuring it out so fast. Like a laser-guided psychic superman.



Wait a second, hold the presses.
JanusTwoFace
Diving back through the thread history was very refreshing. How in the bloody hell did you get off this easily so far? You kill Org, for a stupid reason. You claim doing it (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739353#msg1739353). There were a couple of complaints about it, but I honestly think you came out with your Mad Scientist claim during the Zathras debacle deliberately, to hide under the cover of all that. All you gave us was "I killed Org because he's useless, what a shame he was actually town." (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740178#msg1740178) Really? That's it? You did "the right thing" by blatantly killing a Townie as soon as possible with your one-shot item that can actually make a massive difference? Not even an apology? Seriously? How is this justifiable, honestly?

Like, let's say for a second, that Org is the worst, most useless Mafia player alive. The game has just started. What possible advantage can there be to wasting your one-shot kill on Org instead of saving it for when multiple confirmed scum are about? Or, like, the exterminator, or something.

Now let's bring real-life Org back into the picture. Is your hatred of Org really this great? He must die before Day 2?

Your offer to be a Psychic Warden target was also useless, as, according to the rules,

Quote

All Mad Scientists have access to the Mind Shield.

As in, you would be perfectly capable of fulfilling all your doppelganger functions, in spite of being targeted by Zath. Confirming that your mind shield blocked a block would help nobody. It may have confirmed Zathras, and it may have confirmed that you were, indeed, a mad scientist, but if anything, it's a gambit to make yourself look more townish for no real concrete reason. Or, a chance to lie about it to get someone else lynched AND simultaneously avert the town's attention away from you.

I'm really glad you don't have another bot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740358#msg1740358) because you are scum. Org was a convenient target for your scumbot, because I'm sure on some level, other people agree with you about him. You basically confess to it at a time when everyone is concerned with other matters, and then somehow play it off like you're some kind of savior of the town?

Again, your assumption that Town Org is more harmful to the town than, say, ANY ACTUAL SCUM AT ALL is astounding.

The only defense I've managed to find you using for your action is "What, ha, you suspect me just for killing Org? You can't do that, you need reasons." (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1755448#msg1755448) This is not a defense. Attacking you for killing Org is perfectly legitimate, as that is a MAJOR, SERIOUS EVENT THAT HAPPENED.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 02:59:11 am

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Your offer to be a Psychic Warden target was also useless, as, according to the rules,

Quote

All Mad Scientists have access to the Mind Shield.

Slow the hell down.

Mad Scientists do not automatically get a Mind Shield. It is an option always available to them, but they would have to take it in lieu of their other tech.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Jim
-Aggressive as hell. But he's been getting so many effective results. I'm almost certain he's town.

If you think my results are effective, then why don't you share my suspicions? This doesn't add up.

You're buddying me. Now that I have cause to look over your posts, I don't generally find them to be exceptionally stellar. Lots of weak pokes, lurker prodding, general lack of strong suspicions. Additionally, I don't like it when people assume the moral high ground in Mafia games. It gives them a position to attack people, but it does absolutely nothing in helping find scum. Thus, scum like to do it.

*sniff*

I'm thinking you might be scum, Argembarger. Why are you buddying me, and why didn't you bring up this JTF stuff earlier, like when you read it? People have had the exact same problems that you do now, and they brought it up with him, so why all of a sudden do you have a problem with it? If you were going to have a problem with it for moral considerations or whatever it is you suspect him for this would've occurred to you a lot earlier.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 10:04:04 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 02:59:11 am

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Your offer to be a Psychic Warden target was also useless, as, according to the rules,

Quote

All Mad Scientists have access to the Mind Shield.

Slow the hell down.

Mad Scientists do not automatically get a Mind Shield. It is an option always available to them, but they would have to take it in lieu of their other tech.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Jim
-Aggressive as hell. But he's been getting so many effective results. I'm almost certain he's town.

If you think my results are effective, then why don't you share my suspicions? This doesn't add up.

You're buddying me. Now that I have cause to look over your posts, I don't generally find them to be exceptionally stellar. Lots of weak pokes, lurker prodding, general lack of strong suspicions. Additionally, I don't like it when people assume the moral high ground in Mafia games. It gives them a position to attack people, but it does absolutely nothing in helping find scum. Thus, scum like to do it.

*sniff*

I'm thinking you might be scum, Argembarger. Why are you buddying me,

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:02:56 pm

Calm down. Just because somebody says you're acting like town doesn't mean they're buddying you.

Quote

and why didn't you bring up this JTF stuff earlier, like when you read it?

I didn't think anything of it at the time. It slipped past me during the whole Zathras-is-an-alien-or-maybe-he-isn't affair, and rereading it now brought it to my attention. I don't think the time difference makes my points any less valid.

Quote

People have had the exact same problems that you do now, and they brought it up with him, so why all of a sudden do you have a problem with it?

Yes, they brought it up with him, and I found his defense to be... well, nothing at all, actually. Deflection, if anything. My problem is that everyone just seems to have gone "Oh, you mean we can't attack you for killing town? ok then" and walked away.

Quote

If you were going to have a problem with it for moral considerations or whatever it is you suspect him for this would've occurred to you a lot earlier.

"moral problems"? I don't have moral problems, just practical ones. Why would a town member waste their one shot kill on someone just because they don't like their playstyle? That doesn't do anything but hurt town, unless the target of the kill turns out to be scum. Org didn't turn out to be scum. Killing him without having legitimate suspicions was a horrible idea and Janus is either scum or horrible town. Without further explanation from him, perhaps some links to posts revealing why he thought Org was legitimately scum instead of just annoying to him, I'm going with scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 29, 2010, 10:49:10 am

Hey, guys. The combination of Thanksgiving and no internet has led me to not posting. I have looked over the thread, and I'll post later today with something more, but I have one question for Zathras:

If you wanted to stop scums, why did you bother to tell Kamina that you were blocking him? That's stupid! That means if Kamina is scum, you've turned a 33% chance of blocking scum into 0%. Are you really trying to block scum, or just cover your own hide?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 10:52:43 am

Kamina:  Your line of attack is too heavy in WIFOM for my tastes.  The blanket answer to "Why would I do this as scum" is "So you could say you wouldn't do that as scum."  You wouldn't want to force a mislynch on Zath as that would almost certainly turn in to a lynch of you the next day.  You could help cement his claim today (giving you town cred) and then kill him off tonight.

Argembarger:  The traditional uses of a scum assassin bot is to use it right at LYLO to turn it into a scum win- the town usually uses it early before they get killed.  It's not a vindication of his alignment, but it does knock him down on the suspicion list a bit, at least.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:57:06 am

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 10:04:04 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 10, 2010, 11:02:56 pm

Calm down. Just because somebody says you're acting like town doesn't mean they're buddying you.

I love it when I get quoted as a defense against myself. Obviously I can't argue with myse

Oh wait yes I can of course I can.

I don't have an issue with you saying I'm aggressive or that I'm town, but what are these 'effective results' you're talking about? You can't just drop that there without qualification.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 10:04:04 am

Yes, they brought it up with him, and I found his defense to be... well, nothing at all, actually. Deflection, if anything. My problem is that everyone just seems to have gone "Oh, you mean we can't attack you for killing town? ok then" and walked away.

People kill townies all the time. It's not that big of a deal.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 10:04:04 am

"moral problems"? I don't have moral problems, just practical ones. Why would a town member waste their one shot kill on someone just because they don't like their playstyle? That doesn't do anything but hurt town, unless the target of the kill turns out to be scum. Org didn't turn out to be scum. Killing him without having legitimate suspicions was a horrible idea and Janus is either scum or horrible town. Without further explanation from him, perhaps some links to posts revealing why he thought Org was legitimately scum instead of just annoying to him, I'm going with scum.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh having Org alive is not exactly helpful to the town either. JTF saved everybody the trouble (or the scapegoat) of lynching Org.

Saving your one shot kill until you're sure that somebody is scum is a bad move, because you might die in the night and not get a chance to use it. Better to use it sooner rather than later.

And another thing: You're condemning the action for how it turned out, instead of for what JTF knew and thought at the time he did it, which is the correct way to determine whether an action is scummy or not.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:03:23 am

Something I forgot to bring up:

I believe there is currently a three way tie between Ottofar, JTF, and Leafsnail. We need to figure out a way to resolve this.

By lynching Leafsnail.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2010, 12:57:54 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Argembarger, Leafsnail
Leafsnail: Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Toaster
webadict: Zathras

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 01:33:53 pm

Results that Jim Got:

1. Jim gets KaminaSquirtle to spill his guts out, for like two pages (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703255#msg1703255). We got a fantastic look at the inner thoughts of the Squirtle. I mean, you had practically driven him to despair (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703511#msg1703511) by the time Shadow started acting up. At the very least, it clearly got Kamina's head in the game.

2. Your pressure against Zathras and Leafsnail. You're constantly in the thick of the arguments.

3. Holy shit, 90+ posts. You obviously aren't afraid of your posts being scrutinized.

4. I haven't seen you do anything scummy.

There, that's why I think you're probably town. Not sure what all you wanted from me, but there.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 02:59:11 am

If you think my results are effective, then why don't you share my suspicions? This doesn't add up.

Who says I don't? I'm just following my own suspicion at the moment, trying to stir up something I feel has been ignored.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 02:59:11 am

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Your offer to be a Psychic Warden target was also useless, as, according to the rules,

Quote

All Mad Scientists have access to the Mind Shield.

Slow the hell down.

Mad Scientists do not automatically get a Mind Shield. It is an option always available to them, but they would have to take it in lieu of their other tech.

Alright, that's fair, I was mistaken.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:57:06 am

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh having Org alive is not exactly helpful to the town either. JTF saved everybody the trouble (or the scapegoat) of lynching Org.

Saving your one shot kill until you're sure that somebody is scum is a bad move, because you might die in the night and not get a chance to use it. Better to use it sooner rather than later.

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 10:52:43 am

Argembarger:  The traditional uses of a scum assassin bot is to use it right at LYLO to turn it into a scum win- the town usually uses it early before they get killed.  It's not a vindication of his alignment, but it does knock him down on the suspicion list a bit, at least.

I'm not sure I understand. It's better to randomly kill someone and have something like a 70+% chance of hitting town than it is to be patient and use it when the likelihood of nailing some scum is much higher? Why is that? It just seems to me that I would want to avoid taking out a townsperson, even if it means I get lynched before I used the bot. Two townies dying < one townie dying < one townie dying and one dopp dying < a dopp dying.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:57:06 am

And another thing: You're condemning the action for how it turned out, instead of for what JTF knew and thought at the time he did it, which is the correct way to determine whether an action is scummy or not.

If it looked like I was going after him based on the results alone, I apologize for miscommunicating.

1.  Org suspected him.  (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702860#msg1702860)
2.  Even he admitted Org was being much less 'orglike' than usual.  (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703768#msg1703768)

I just don't like it. I don't like it at all.

Also, three way tie? Huh. I'll be around closer to the deadline to break it if it needs broken. I'd like to see if I can hear from JTF himself before then, though. It'd make me feel better.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 01:34:48 pm

i'm there, reading p page 42 now. Will be there shrotly

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 01:40:07 pm

Extend until we're actually lynching scum (preferably Janus, since he's already got two votes).

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:03:23 am

By lynching Leafsnail.

Your arguments seem to be:

"Zomg!  He attacks people he thinks are scum, and won't stop attacking them when they try to deflect attention from themselves!"
And
"He's defending a virtually confirmed townie!"

I mean, I might ask why, say, you're repeatedly defending JTF, who isn't remotely confirmed.  Or why you've been tunneling me constantly for the last 2 days.  But hey, whatever.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 09:06:06 am

And I'll interject on the behalf of a virtually confirmed townie whenever I like, thank you.

Virtually confirmed Psychic Warden? Yes. Virtually confirmed townie? No. (I will give you likely townie though, it depends on the rest of the scum team. I can see a Pandarsenic bus happening with 1 or 2 possible teams).

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 09:06:06 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 28, 2010, 01:35:41 am

Does this really seem like something a townie would do? Make up his mind early on Day 1, and then never change his mind, or even his focus?

If he's found scum?  Yes.

Have you considered the possibility that you're wrong? (Seriously, I can't tell if you have or haven't). Because if you do manage to lynch me, it's going to look *really* problematic for you tomorrow.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 28, 2010, 12:04:14 pm

It could, but no.

Also, explanation could be posting exhausted, just to check in at the day end.

And the lack of chains. And me not thinking about Pandar until then.

This ... is all you have? A *lot* has happened that you are completely continuing to ignore for two game days now. In the future, please don't sign up if you aren't going to play.

Quote from: Zathras on November 28, 2010, 06:52:17 pm

As my note to Kamina made embarrassingly clear, the non-physicality of the thing was not immediately obvious to me until I reread my role PM in preparation of sending the night action. This is my first paranormal, so it being a remote action was not clear on my mind. Yes, I was worried you were setting me up to be killed by sentry guns or somesuch, but this was a baseless worry.

This I'll give you. There are a lot of little details that it's easy enough to miss in the ruleset. Now you know.

Quote from: Zathras on November 28, 2010, 06:52:17 pm

They should both be hanged, but for different reasons. Web is the scummiest, so I'm voting him as that's how one plays the game -- lynch the scummiest. MBP hanging, on the other hand, is more of a meta-game argument: his absence hurts the game, and his replacement would give a scummy player an unwarranted clean slate; the game would proceed better if he hangs. He is certainly scummy enough to deserve to hang. But I only have one vote, so I'm telling people that if we wish to pursue a meta-gaming lynch for the benefit of all players, I'll support it. It's better than having two inactive players murking the waters; it interferes with all our abilities to successfully scumhunt or narrow possibilities down. The game would be better with him gone, so if I can help make it so, I will.

Read what you wrote here (especially the green parts) and remember the main reason you think I'm scummy...

Spoiler: Off topic, attendance board (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Zathras on November 28, 2010, 06:52:17 pm

It is, isn't it? Offtopic question: why did you never submit Sorcerer's I results to the new attendance tracking thread?

There's a new attendance board? Huh. I'll look into that.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Diving back through the thread history was very refreshing. How in the bloody hell did you get off this easily so far? You kill Org, for a stupid reason. ... This is not a defense. Attacking you for killing Org is perfectly legitimate, as that is a MAJOR, SERIOUS EVENT THAT HAPPENED.

Oh good.  I point out that you're being active-lurky. You know this is scummy, so you fix your behaviour. But then you come out swinging at me. :( Not at all what I was hoping for, but it's a good start.

Points (Jim's made most of these already):
- It would be scummier to hold back my night kill until LYLO, although waiting until Day 2 or 3 would have been reasonable.
- I don't have a Mind Shield. It would have been random chance if I had.
- I thought there was a reasonable chance Org was scum.
- He's risky because he's difficult to lynch.
- If I were scum, I wouldn't have killed Org. (Yes, this is WIFOM. It's also true)

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 10:04:04 am

Yes, they brought it up with him, and I found his defense to be... well, nothing at all, actually. Deflection, if anything. My problem is that everyone just seems to have gone "Oh, you mean we can't attack you for killing town? ok then" and walked away.

I agree with you that I haven't provided a terribly strong defense. But I disagree that this is a bad thing. It isn't a terribly strong point to attack (from any of the previous times or from you), thus it doesn't merit a terribly strong defense.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 10:49:10 am

Hey, guys. The combination of Thanksgiving and no internet has led me to not posting. I have looked over the thread, and I'll post later today with something more, but I have one question for Zathras:

Understandable, but do you plan on making it back by the end of the day? It's today in case you haven't noticed. If not but you do plan on contributing, request an extension. (I'd rather you posted today though)

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 01:33:53 pm

I'm not sure I understand. It's better to randomly kill someone and have something like a 70+% chance of hitting town than it is to be patient and use it when the likelihood of nailing some scum is much higher? Why is that? It just seems to me that I would want to avoid taking out a townsperson, even if it means I get lynched before I used the bot. Two townies dying < one townie dying < one townie dying and one dopp dying < a dopp dying.

If it were completely random, that would be a bad thing. If I thought it was completely random, I wouldn't have done it. Your order of how good things are is great and all, but completely misses the point. There are far more town than scum, so we can take risks at the begining. It's towards LYLO that risks get far more dangerous.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 01:33:53 pm

1.  Org suspected him.  (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702860#msg1702860)
2.  Even he admitted Org was being much less 'orglike' than usual.  (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703768#msg1703768)

1. I can't guarantee this, but I'm guessing that Org suspected me because I was attacking him. That's classic behaviour in anyone, more so in Org.
2. I think I responded to this point already. He did get better for a bit when I prodded him for it (which you've just done as well), but then he slid back by the end of the day.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 01:34:48 pm

i'm there, reading p page 42 now. Will be there shrotly

Same thing as webadict earlier. Welcome back, understandable that you posted less over the Holiday. But you had better post something by the end of the day or request an extension.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 01:40:07 pm

Extend until we're actually lynching scum (preferably Janus, since he's already got two votes).

As much as I disagree with you in general, I can agree with (the first part of) this. Extend.

The second part bothers me though. You seem to want to lynch me no matter what and you're using the fact that I have two votes on me to back that up?  By that same logic, we should lynch you, yes?

---

I still think lynching Ottofar is the best corse of action, particularly given the three choices we have now.  But we really need the four people who haven't voted (webadict, Ottofar, Mysteriourbluepuppet, and Mish) to vote. It's unlikely to get a vote from Mish, but webadict and Mysteriousbluepuppet have at least promised to do so (ish).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2010, 03:00:05 pm

We have two votes to Extend. A third vote will extend the day to ~5pm Pacific Tuesday.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 03:34:42 pm

I'll throw in for an Extend as well.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 01:34:48 pm

i'm there, reading p page 42 now. Will be there shrotly

It's good to see that you are fulfilling your minimum required posting to avoid being replaced.

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Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 01:33:53 pm

I'm not sure I understand. It's better to randomly kill someone and have something like a 70+% chance of hitting town than it is to be patient and use it when the likelihood of nailing some scum is much higher? Why is that? It just seems to me that I would want to avoid taking out a townsperson, even if it means I get lynched before I used the bot. Two townies dying < one townie dying < one townie dying and one dopp dying < a dopp dying.

No no no no, you're not killing somebody randomly, you're killing someone you suspect. There's a difference.

Kills, in addition to their primary purpose of removing players from the game, serve an additional and equally important purpose: investigation. If you have a suspect, and you have an Assassin Bot, then it's pretty damn clear what you should be doing with that thing. If you get it wrong, whoops, but at least you can now look elsewhere.

This is the exact same thing people do with lynches. They lynch their best guesses, and if they are wrong, they shrug and look elsewhere.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 03:44:36 pm

Alright, this makes a lot more sense now, thanks for the explanations.

Unvote.

I see we have an extension, so we don't have to worry about a tiebreaker quite yet. Excellent.

So, in that case:
please start talking anytime now, MysteriousBluePuppet.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 04:03:13 pm

As asked ( and finally delivered )

Hello peoples. I am fully aware that ive not been posting for something like a week ( or more), and been useless ( proof: still alive). back on to try ang get stuff going.
Also, just to say i love mafias, but i really have a tendency to not try to catch up once i have like 20 page. Wont have exam to study for 3 weeks so ive decided to try and break the habit.
First off, summary on my toughts on each of you guys

jim Groovester

As mentionned by Aemburger, the Pandar "no night action" scumtell was his doing and with that i find it pretty certain hes not a dopp. As for the Leafsnail hate, now i'm a bit more ambivalent. Sure he does not drop it about Kamina, but thats also the good thing to do. Kamina day 1 shenanigans and day 3 pre-emptive defense aint food for confidence. 

Zathras

I'm not entirely convinced on your Psychic Warden tell. i dont remeber seeing the mod post about your Kamina block ( if i just missed it then by all means point the page). Until then its pretty easy to use your alien chat and prepare this little thing. Really, you just need to refrain from killing for 1 little night, prepare a little post so that your little friend Kamina confirm your fake-claim. Would also explain why Kamina was so jumpy and threw a obviously prepared defence in our face without being asked to. In other news, i agree that lurking is bad ( and i do feel bad about it),but there is much worse running around. 

Kamina

While i'm on the subject, find it weird that everyone forgot about all the day 1 crap and now just take his word like solid gold. What about all the random votes Kamina ? The JTF buddying ? Or really, just you pre-emptive defense is lighting a whole lot of red lights. if you arent scum, you can just post the pm and all is good. Just trowing your defence like that sounds like a suspiciously specific denial. Oh hey guys, if you guys are wondering, i'm totally NOT an alien. No chance. Nope, nothing alien to see here.


Webadict

Stays pretty much himself, i have no idea what he or may not be.

Toaster

I havent really a good guess on what you do or your alignement. Seen you come and go asking question but ever really pressuring anyone. Also, ripping on me for my false post promises, but that i understand well enough.


JTF and Leafsnail

In both case i'm reading back the thread and i just can't make my minbd about you. If i remmber well Jim is all up snail  since he cwont stop working on Kamina, but as i said Kamina got it way too easy.


And thus, id probably cast my vote to kamina. he got off easy after the mindbogginly bad start he had, and really i think that Zathras should have chosen someone else to do his test. that way, if Kamina flip town, we wont have killed a serviceable warden, and else we got 1 less scum

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 04:20:59 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 10:49:10 am

one question for Zathras: If you wanted to stop scums, why did you bother to tell Kamina that you were blocking him? That's stupid! That means if Kamina is scum, you've turned a 33% chance of blocking scum into 0%. Are you really trying to block scum, or just cover your own hide?

Now it seems you're not even paying attention. This is what I said in the post to which you reply:

Quote from: Zathras on November 28, 2010, 06:52:17 pm

I decided it was a good idea to waste my action one night if it would help assuage doubts, but once is enough. The blocking will be henceforth used how I decide is best, with the intent of preventing another kill and nailing more scum.

I know you are smart enough to know better, and engaged enough to remember the whole "is he or isn't he, should he be confirmed" conversation yesterday, so I have no choice but to see this as a wilful misreading of the situation, hoping to steer the conversation away from you. Well, at least you are back. Please don't forget to answer my multiple questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1758056#msg1758056).

People, what are your views on Web as scum now? Why is he getting a free pass? Once again, he has posted, but done nothing at all to hunt or to favour town, except for attacking those who were attacking him. So far it has only been me and Mr. Person... funny how he turned out dead this morning.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Argembarger:  If you're so concerned about a tiebreaker, why aren't you pressing the people who are in the tie?  With your unvote, that's Otto and Leaf.

Ottofar:  Your continued insistence on not posting just cements the votes against you, especially since you're posting elsewhere.

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 01:40:07 pm

I mean, I might ask why, say, you're repeatedly defending JTF, who isn't remotely confirmed.  Or why you've been tunneling me constantly for the last 2 days.  But hey, whatever.

Why is it bad for him to tunnel you but OK for you to tunnel Janus and Jim?  Your hypocrisy is suspicious.

MBP:  Thank you.  Not sure what you mean by a guess on what I do, but there wasn't a question in there, so whatever.

Zath, re Web:  A Web lurking this much is so unusual for him that I'm not sure what to think, other than to say speculation on the NK motive is a quick trip to WIFOM land.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 05:25:15 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

Virtually confirmed Psychic Warden? Yes. Virtually confirmed townie? No. (I will give you likely townie though, it depends on the rest of the scum team. I can see a Pandarsenic bus happening with 1 or 2 possible teams).

It'd just be dumb though.  The Strong Doppelganger and the Psychic Warden both presumably have high weights, so it would leave the dopps completely crippled, and possibly open to a gamebreaker later.

Quite frankly, anyone who's still seriously floating a Zathras lynch needs an extremely good, specific explanation.  Not vague bullshit to try and get rid of a town role.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

Have you considered the possibility that you're wrong? (Seriously, I can't tell if you have or haven't). Because if you do manage to lynch me, it's going to look *really* problematic for you tomorrow.

Wow, this is an unbelievably convincing argument.

Oh wait, no, it's the kind of argument pulled from a mafia member's ass.  If you think I'm scum (although working out what you think is difficult, since you don't post content) then you wouldn't care what I look like tomorrow having lynched you.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

Points (Jim's made most of these already):

Lol.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

- It would be scummier to hold back my night kill until LYLO, although waiting until Day 2 or 3 would have been reasonable.
- I don't have a Mind Shield. It would have been random chance if I had.
- I thought there was a reasonable chance Org was scum.
- He's risky because he's difficult to lynch.
- If I were scum, I wouldn't have killed Org. (Yes, this is WIFOM. It's also true)

Wow, amazing!  It's almost like you thought all this through last night when making your decision as to who to kill!

Bolded is a bit odd (Org is probably the easiest lynch out there, other than maybe ToonyMan).

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

If it were completely random, that would be a bad thing. If I thought it was completely random, I wouldn't have done it. Your order of how good things are is great and all, but completely misses the point. There are far more town than scum, so we can take risks at the begining. It's towards LYLO that risks get far more dangerous.

I'm curious - how come this "I thought he was probably scum" didn't manifest at all in day one?  Other than you accusing him of lurking, but you accused everyone of something minor like that.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

1. I can't guarantee this, but I'm guessing that Org suspected me because I was attacking him. That's classic behaviour in anyone, more so in Org.

Slipup.  The link you're referring to happened in RVS.  But go ahead and overexplain it if you want.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

2. I think I responded to this point already. He did get better for a bit when I prodded him for it (which you've just done as well), but then he slid back by the end of the day.

Not that anyone could tell, since you DON'T POST CONTENT IN ANY OF YOUR POSTS

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 02:57:56 pm

The second part bothers me though. You seem to want to lynch me no matter what and you're using the fact that I have two votes on me to back that up?  By that same logic, we should lynch you, yes?

Man, even when you're trying to take me out of context, that doesn't work.  I'm saying that we need to lynch scum, and that since you're scum who happens to already have two votes (and we only have 24 hours left), you're the best to be lynched today.

The part of reasoning you're missing from your counterpoint is the "he's scum" bit.  And if you think I'm scum, great - vote me.  If you don't, stop bullshitting.

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 01:40:07 pm

I mean, I might ask why, say, you're repeatedly defending JTF, who isn't remotely confirmed.  Or why you've been tunneling me constantly for the last 2 days.  But hey, whatever.

Why is it bad for him to tunnel you but OK for you to tunnel Janus and Jim?  Your hypocrisy is suspicious.

It's not a scumtell.  I'm pointing out his use of it as a reason why his entire case against me is bullshit (look at the quote I'm responding to).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 04:03:13 pm

As asked ( and finally delivered )

Thank you. Now don't disappear. You have to interact with people.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 04:03:13 pm

I'm not entirely convinced on your Psychic Warden tell. i dont remeber seeing the mod post about your Kamina block ( if i just missed it then by all means point the page).

This isn't something that is publically posted. Just in the night PMs to the blocker and the blockee. And the only way the alien scenario makes sense at this point is if Zathras and Kamina are the Exterminator and Operative, but I doubt it.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 04:03:13 pm

if you arent scum, you can just post the pm and all is good. Just trowing your defence like that sounds like a suspiciously specific denial. Oh hey guys, if you guys are wondering, i'm totally NOT an alien. No chance. Nope, nothing alien to see here.

What PM? He can't post any PMs from the mods (at least none that we'd be interested in), that's against the rules...  He already posted what he could from Zathras and they don't look faked.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 04:20:59 pm

People, what are your views on Web as scum now? Why is he getting a free pass? Once again, he has posted, but done nothing at all to hunt or to favour town, except for attacking those who were attacking him. So far it has only been me and Mr. Person... funny how he turned out dead this morning.

Scummier the longer he goes without posting.  If he doesn't post within the next few minutes, then he would have missed the day end without posting. It's unusual for webadict to be this quite after Day 1.

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Argembarger:  If you're so concerned about a tiebreaker, why aren't you pressing the people who are in the tie?  With your unvote, that's Otto and Leaf.

I'm pretty sure you've got that bass-ackwards. He said that there's an extension, so we have 24 more hours to worry about a tied vote.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 05:25:15 pm

Quite frankly, anyone who's still seriously floating a Zathras lynch needs an extremely good, specific explanation.  Not vague bullshit to try and get rid of a town role.

Who's trying to float a Zathras lynch exactly? All I'm doing is remembering that he's not quite a confirmed townie for potential future use. You, on the other, seem absolutely convinced that you're right, both in my alignment and Zathras'.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 05:25:15 pm

I'm curious - how come this "I thought he was probably scum" didn't manifest at all in day one?  Other than you accusing him of lurking, but you accused everyone of something minor like that.

It did.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 05:25:15 pm

Slipup.  The link you're referring to happened in RVS.  But go ahead and overexplain it if you want.

RVS sure... But I'd already attacked him. He (Org) even quoted it in that link.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 05:25:15 pm

Man, even when you're trying to take me out of context, that doesn't work.  I'm saying that we need to lynch scum, and that since you're scum who happens to already have two votes (and we only have 24 hours left), you're the best to be lynched today.

What do you think about Ottofar?

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 05:25:15 pm

The part of reasoning you're missing from your counterpoint is the "he's scum" bit.  And if you think I'm scum, great - vote me.  If you don't, stop bullshitting.

I only have one vote to cast.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 29, 2010, 08:02:53 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
KaminaSquirtle: Mysteriousbluepuppet
Leafsnail: Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Argembarger
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Toaster
webadict: Zathras

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 08:16:16 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

Who's trying to float a Zathras lynch exactly? All I'm doing is remembering that he's not quite a confirmed townie for potential future use. You, on the other, seem absolutely convinced that you're right, both in my alignment and Zathras'.

Well, if you aren't suggesting his lynch, why are you and Jim wasting so much time attacking him and undermining him?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

It did.

(denying reality)

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

RVS sure... But I'd already attacked him. He (Org) even quoted it in that link.

Ahah.  So, was it a policy attack or an attack because you thought he was scum?

And I'd say someone who seriously suggests policy lynches on their first post deserves to be voted back.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

What do you think about Ottofar?

Since he's a lurker, I think he's an excellent mislynch candidate for you.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

I only have one vote to cast.

Yeah, but you actually claim to have real reasons I'm scum, rather than vague lurker bullshit.  Or do you?  Again, it's impossible to tell because YOU NEVER TAKE A POSITION ON ANYTHING

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Okay guys. Sorry for being late. I was at school when last I posted, so this time, I'll get right down to business.

Let's start with who's alive and what we're looking for:

11 Alive:
# Zathras
# JanusTwoface
# Toaster
# Jim Groovester
# webadict
# Ottofar
# Mysteriousbluepuppet
# Argembarger
# KaminaSquirtle
# Leafsnail
# Mish

Dead:
# SHAD0Wdump - Human Telepath
# Org - Human Medium
# Criptfeind - Human Medium
# Mr.Person - Human Agent

# Pandarsenic - Tough Doppelganger

There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

Our top priority is lynching the Exterminator. Eliminating him eliminates one night kill from each Night, with the possibility of a block or protect stopping the Doppelgangers.

Now, why didn't the Exterminator kill last Night? Exterminators are block-proof, so it was a protect that stopped him. And not simply a Guard, but a full-fledged Guardian, or the Alien never attacked...

But, I'll start on an entirely different topic. Mr.Person. I think I can show that he inspected me on the first Night. I realize it's not provable without a Medium, but I'm almost certain he inspected me.

One, he was after me the first Day. He always seems to have some sort of problem with me or I with him. However, at the start of the next Day, he wasn't pushing me anymore. Looking at his first post shows that he finds me suspicious, but less so than usually and goes on to comment about my overall play style.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 17, 2010, 06:39:15 pm

Mr.Person, why were you and Zathras trying to get webadict lynched for stupid meta shit yesterday? And why were you focusing your lurker hunting efforts on webadict when there's a rogue's gallery of abhorrent lurkers this game who had even less excuse than webadict?

It was very out of character for Webadict to be lurking. Sure, he had an excuse, but the posts he did make were very passive and weak. Now you can make all the excuses you want, but the only reason I'm going to unvote for that is if he started acting different. Which he has, by the way, so no more Webadict vote for me. At least for now. Actually, ugh, I hate playing with Webadict. It's like trying to read a foreign language or solve a crazy hard logic problem. You know it's possible, but you just can't figure how.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 09:43:54 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 18, 2010, 01:10:35 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 17, 2010, 09:53:07 pm

I don't like how you've locked on to me and Janus.  It's like an excuse to not contribute to the rest of the game.

I will keep voting scum until they die.  Simple as that.

So you're absolutely, 100% sure that you have scum? Because otherwise you're tunneling something hard here and it's scummy.

Really now, tunneling became scummy? When did that happen? Last I checked, tunneling was a towny action to lynch a player he/she is sure is scum, or if you're ToonyMan, to put pressure on that player so you can figure out that player's alignment.

But alright, tell me this, JanusTwoface. If you were really, really sure that SHAD0Wdump is scum, why wouldn't you tunnel him until he dies?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 18, 2010, 09:43:54 pm

Mr.Person: If you were a Military Scientist, which tech would you pick and why?

Assassin drone. I'd tell myself I'd wait until lylo and piss off the whole town by using it to replace our lylo lynch, but I'd chicken out and use it the night before if it's mylo.

If you wanted to know who I'd kill, probably Webadict. Not only do I have an inkling he's scum, I'd never be able to get him lynched. At least that's what I'd do now. Not very shocking since I need to get some different suspicions now.

He mentions needing to grab new suspicions, calling me out of character, but overall DROPPING THE ATTACK. I do not contend that this is proof of my being Town. But, it goes a long way towards refuting Zathras's argument against me.

Now, jumping to an overlook of today.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 03:29:24 pm

I see nothing against it in the rules, so here is the full conversation:

Quote from: Zathras on November 23, 2010, 12:11:31 am

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 22, 2010, 11:22:49 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 08:06:59 pm

Hey Kamina,  I plan to block you tonight, so you can confirm tomorrow that I am a warden as claimed (y'know, chains and all that). I don't want to do it to JTF, as I think he may be scum, or Jim as it would be too obvious.

If you have a power role that would be severely impacted by a block tonight, or if you are a PWV or have sentry guns, please let me know and I'll choose a different target.

PS: Please keep this to yourself until tomorrow. I would prefer people don't know who I will target until after the fact.

Ok, I'm not that powerful of a role anyway, so I'll go along with this.  No funny business though.  If you nk me and someone isn't blocked, then you will get lynched.
So long as you're really warden, you have nothing to fear.

Right, so we'll do this then. Also, for the record, I just remembered that it wouldn't matter if you were a PWV, since the psychic block happens remotely, so that's OK in any case. Again, please keep this to yourself until the morning.

Cheers,
~z

Like I said before: Zathras had no need to warn the victim of his roleblock about it. Doing so seems to only cover his own hide, as usually.

Zathras has displayed numerous self-preservation symptoms. He has purposefully delayed release of information so that he would not be a target (naturally making an enemy or suspicious person out of himself). He has willfully gone after only one person, with ennui towards all other lynches. And he has placed his own well-being above stopping scum.

He didn't tell anyone he was a Roleblocker so that he wouldn't be killed by the Doppelgangers.

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 05:38:23 pm

No, I was unsure about claiming, since if I could get him lynched without claiming, I wouldn't have to paint me as a target for the scum to kill. So I voted him and badgered him to answer questions; when he didn't, and it was clear I wouldn't have the time to press him until he cracked, I decided to claim the block. It was still pretty damned early in the day, though, wasn't it? I was in my second or third post of the day.

He's putting his own life above the survival and winning of the Town. Also, he seems blissfully ignorant that the scum would clearly know that someone gunning for them would know who blocked them. You're not trying to help the Town. But, why? What has you so wound up that you must go after lurkers and safe your own skin?

How about you being an Operative or Exterminator? It only seems natural as you don't want the Doppelgangers killing you, but you DO want people to think you're town. Almost at the expense of Town resources. Now, here's what some people have missed. You had the means to lynch a scum, and you delayed in hopes that you wouldn't be a target of the dopps.

Now, I suppose that's less than acceptable for a Town, but then why did you ask Kamina to lower any guards? You were a roleblocker, no? Did you not think, "I can roleblock people and things that kill"? I think that would've been my first thought, with a quick question to Meph, who would state that you simply don't leave your house.

Ah, but... You can't leave your house, can you? What if a Reporter tracked you going to someone's house last Night? What if you took a Stun Orb with you as your Tech? I suppose nobody else has thoroughly inspected the rules? Stun Orbs can have two-uses for Medium Tech. Now, it seems like this is all making sense, right? You're the Exterminator, right? You don't have a Shield or anything to protect you, so you stayed at home, in case some Reporter wanted to see you leave, breaking into my house and killing me. Is that it?

It's funny because you learned that Psychic Wardens don't leave their house last Night. You think that you would have read your Night PM, where it states you sit at home and block someone. For someone who's being rather picky about everything I do, you've made more than enough mistakes to make you being an Exterminator more than likely.

And now that I'm done piecing things together, I'll move on.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 26, 2010, 03:44:06 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 26, 2010, 02:57:14 pm

You're up, Zathras. Let's hear what you did last night, because your head's on the chopping block unless you have a plausible explanation for why you decided to not follow the easy path to confirmation that was laid out for you or a plausible explanation of the night's events.

I'm curious as to how you jumped to conclusions so fast.  Perhaps you have some kind of communication channel with obvscum JanusTwoFace, the other person who was suggested to be blocked?

Wouldn't this also imply that YOU know JanusTwoface hasn't been blocked, Leafsnail? In fact, why go after JanusTwoface at all? It'd make more sense to vote Jim Groovester, the one who's making accusations about Zathras not following the plan.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 26, 2010, 05:31:02 pm

Webadict: I'm curious on your views of what's going on.  Three questions in particular: 
- What do you think of Leafsnail?
- Why do you think there were two kills N1 and one kill N2?
- In your experience with Jim Groovester, what's the craziest gambit you've seen him try?

Leafsnail is acting odd. I suppose up until now I haven't been giving this game as much attention as it deserves, but he seems to be doing the same thing as Zathras. He's choosing one target and tunneling. I'll take a better look at him after this, as I'm currently responding in a catch-up mode sort of fashion.
For the second question, I believe Zathras was afraid to go out. He thought he was being watched or something, so he simply didn't leave last Night, in order to keep up the Warden facade. The only other possibility is a Guardian.
And third, Jim Groovester played out being a Military Scientist as a Body Double as a Dopp. Soo... that's about it.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 26, 2010, 07:12:21 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on November 26, 2010, 07:04:13 pm

The rules do not specify whether or not the Exterminator is required to kill every night. Did the Exterminator just take a no-kill night? If so, how often can that happen?

Unless, the Exterminator DID get blocked, I suppose.

Hmm...

He could have.  But I see no reason for him to have done so.

I think he was blocked.  Anyone other than Zathras who blocked last night better claim.

And before anyone suggests I'm the exterminator because I was blocked, you better explain why I was so eager to post that PM, and why I went along with Zathras's plan, among other things.

One, Exterminators can't be blocked. Two, don't overexplain. Three, calm down. Four, don't tell people to claim.

Quote from: Toaster on November 26, 2010, 08:45:43 pm

Hmm.  Zath's clearly not a dopp, and I tend to buy his warden claim.  I have trouble seeing a Kamina/Zath exty-op combo, so I'll have to ponder Kamina's case.  In the mean time...

Ottofar:

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.
I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.
Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.
I'm gonna go sleep.

This post demands explanation.
While you're explaining it, please tell me if this explanation makes sense to you:  You're an Alien Survivor who used Pandar's obvscumminess as an opportunity to come out to the scum team so you can help them win at LYLO.

Mish hasn't posted since the 19th, and probably needs to be replaced.

MBP has no such excuse.  You're willfully ignoring this thread since you were just on the forum.  Get in here or die.

This continues why I believe you to be a Doppelganger. It's these subtle phrases you throw in. It unnerves me. Something about you just reeks of scum.

I believe you didn't say anything about me, either, while you were pointing out people that weren't here. Why is this?

And now we can come back to Zathras again:

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Thank you Kamina for posting that; I'm glad we can move on.

Webadict:

You are still at the top of my list. Your game has done nothing to help town; your posts have been devoid of content or hunting, except for attacking the one person who was attacking you; your attitude yesterday was suspicious; and your activity minimal, posting only often enough to not be accused of lurking, and yet doing next to nothing in those posts. I am pretty sure you are scum.


Janus & Jim:

I don't buy that either of you is town. Jim, your eagerness to jump on my case as the day started is scummy, and revealed suspicious knowledge: how did you know I didn't block Janus? Yes, I read your explanation, and I don't buy it. It seems you have other means of communication, and we know what that means.

Janus, your killing of Org was suspicious, as I said, plus your request to be blocked; your "missing" the point of Jim's first message of the day adds to this. I am not sure you are scum, but you are high on my list of possibilities.

More substance on both of these will come later in the game day, I'm busy now.


Mish & MBP:

MOD: I strongly request a forced replace or modkill for these two. People lurking for a couple of days is a challenge that the town must spot and stop. People not posting in a fucking week is something the Mod should remedy.

But we can make it easier for you: replacements are hard to come by, and someone replacing MBP would face 600 posts and the town's animosity; since he's posting elsewhere, his lurking is the activity of scum, and should just hang for it instead of going through the replacement pains. I will support a lynch of MysteriousBluePuppet if people decide to go for it. I think Web is scummier, but MBP's absence hurts the game more. Hanging either of these scumbags is OK with me.

Even if he comes back now, it is too late for him. I would go as far as to suggest people here who host their own games to remember his attitude this game and prevent him from joining games in the future. If only we had some sort of a thread to help mods keep track of people's attendance... but we don't seem to want that either.

Of course you'll go after me again. When haven't you? I really don't have time for your crap. I can tell you're not committed to your arguments, because you even go on to say that I should be lynched, but you'll gladly lynch someone else. Is there anything else you'd like to say over and over again about me? Perhaps that I'm scum? I think maybe it'll allow you to get away with keeping yourself out of harm's way.

But, then again, your evidence has got me so flustered that I don't know what to do with myself.

Quote from: Toaster on November 28, 2010, 12:32:46 am

Meph:  Requesting prod on Webadict and Ottofar as well- neither have posted since day start.

Whoa, kid. Don't you celebrate Thanksgiving?

Quote from: Zathras on November 28, 2010, 06:52:17 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 27, 2010, 09:11:04 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Janus, your killing of Org was suspicious, as I said, plus your request to be blocked; your "missing" the point of Jim's first message of the day adds to this. I am not sure you are scum, but you are high on my list of possibilities.

I didn't miss the point of his first post of the day, I missed the first post of the page here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1751834#msg1751834). It wasn't until later that he actually explained that he was assuming that you had gone off on your own because there was no Exterminator kill. So really you're going after me for the Org thing and ... what else? Nothing really.

Yeah... I don't have much more than that on you, that's why I'm not voting you. You seem scummy to me, but I can't quite put my finger on it. I'll be watching you closely, though.

Quote from: JTF

I still don't get the bit why you wouldn't actually want to block me if you thought I was scum. It's not like you have a physical role that would set off a PWV (if I were lying, but that would mean someone else killed Org and hasn't claimed it...).

As my note to Kamina made embarrassingly clear, the non-physicality of the thing was not immediately obvious to me until I reread my role PM in preparation of sending the night action. This is my first paranormal, so it being a remote action was not clear on my mind. Yes, I was worried you were setting me up to be killed by sentry guns or somesuch, but this was a baseless worry.

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Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

I will support a lynch of MysteriousBluePuppet if people decide to go for it. I think Web is scummier, but MBP's absence hurts the game more. Hanging either of these scumbags is OK with me.

If you want him lynched, vote for him. Hanging back until you see a consensus is scummy, even in a case like this.

They should both be hanged, but for different reasons. Web is the scummiest, so I'm voting him as that's how one plays the game -- lynch the scummiest. MBP hanging, on the other hand, is more of a meta-game argument: his absence hurts the game, and his replacement would give a scummy player an unwarranted clean slate; the game would proceed better if he hangs. He is certainly scummy enough to deserve to hang. But I only have one vote, so I'm telling people that if we wish to pursue a meta-gaming lynch for the benefit of all players, I'll support it. It's better than having two inactive players murking the waters; it interferes with all our abilities to successfully scumhunt or narrow possibilities down. The game would be better with him gone, so if I can help make it so, I will.

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Either that or you really think that you have the entire Dopp team + the Exterminator nailed down (pro tip: in any game, if you think this you're either scum or wrong 95% of the time)

I certainly don't think I have all the scum nailed down. In fact, I went as far as saying "I'm not sure you're scum", didn't I? Saying that I did, in the face of that statement in the post you were replying to, seems like a wilful misreading and misrepresentation of the statement, doesn't it? Also known as a "lie"...

Quote from: JTF

Quote from: Zathras on November 27, 2010, 03:55:04 pm

Even if he comes back now, it is too late for him. I would go as far as to suggest people here who host their own games to remember his attitude this game and prevent him from joining games in the future. If only we had some sort of a thread to help mods keep track of people's attendance... but we don't seem to want that either.

Not really going to help this game... But it's something to consider.

It is, isn't it? Offtopic question: why did you never submit Sorcerer's I results to the new attendance tracking thread?

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 27, 2010, 10:02:33 pm

When you say things like this:

Quote from: Zathras on November 22, 2010, 06:46:27 pm

No, I'll decide what to do later, and we'll see where that leaves us tomorrow, but I'll only dance this dance once. The purpose of the power is not to dick about with it where it does no good, it's to prevent kills as it did last night. If you guys wish to lynch me for it, then go ahead, we'll discuss that when the time comes.

I assume you are not going to follow along with the plan.

But no, you are right. The only plausible explanation for why I came out voting for you today is because I read about it in scumchat, instead of the astronomically improbable explanation that when you defiantly stated you were not going to follow the plan I believed you.

To put it bluntly, Zathras, why are you being retarded? You don't have to believe what I say, but you do need to think it through. Why is it so improbable that I believed you when you were being a defiant fucker about being confirmed?

Nevermind, I see now that you were indeed too retarded to read my post in context, and merely went mad with rage at the thought that people weren't submitting to your will and following your commands. It wasn't scumchat, it was brain damage.

To make it clear for you: I don't take orders from you, boy. I will play how I choose, and your barking like a mad chihuahua has no bearing on my decision making process. I decided it was a good idea to waste my action one night if it would help assuage doubts, but once is enough. The blocking will be henceforth used how I decide is best, with the intent of preventing another kill and nailing more scum. Suggestions are welcome; orders can be shoved up the issuer's ass.

I think it laughable that people were actually thinking following Pandar's advice was good for town. Yeah, no ulterior motives there....


Webadict: please grace us with your presence. Questions for you: what is your read of JTF, Toaster and Arembarger? Would you support a lynch of MBP? Do you buy my warden claim now? Who do you think performed the Dopp kill last night? Do you have speculations on the lack of an exterminator kill? Who are the scummiest on your list at the moment? What have you done in favour of town in the entire game?

Another 'blah blah blah vote wuba' post from Zathras. Let's see his questions:
JanusTwoface? Probably Town.
Toaster? Scum.
Argembarger? Probably Town.
Lynch MBP? When you're the Exterminator? I laugh. I like how you phrase the next question too. "Do you buy my warden claim?" Seriously? What is this? Hey, Zathras, do you buy that I'm King now? Can you at least phrase it in the way so you're trying not to look like scum?
I don't know who performed the Dopp kill last Night. That sounds borderline rolefishing. Besides, if I had role information, I wouldn't be a pansy and try and cover it up.
Speculations on no Exterminator kill: You no killed. Possible Guardian. Also - and I only just thought of this one - Mish not being here.
Scummiest: Toaster, you, Leafsnail, Ottofar, Mish.
In favor of the town? Well, being Town usually is pro-Town in general... but I can't say that there's all too much I've done for the town. I'd say I was far too busy so far. But, how does this make me scum in your eyes? I'd say if you really wanted to make a case against me, you would've. Instead, you're simply repeating "Web is scum," and that's it. You don't want people to lynch me, but you don't want to seem inactive. It's a win-win for you, right?

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 10:52:43 am

Kamina:  Your line of attack is too heavy in WIFOM for my tastes.  The blanket answer to "Why would I do this as scum" is "So you could say you wouldn't do that as scum."  You wouldn't want to force a mislynch on Zath as that would almost certainly turn in to a lynch of you the next day.  You could help cement his claim today (giving you town cred) and then kill him off tonight.

Argembarger:  The traditional uses of a scum assassin bot is to use it right at LYLO to turn it into a scum win- the town usually uses it early before they get killed.  It's not a vindication of his alignment, but it does knock him down on the suspicion list a bit, at least.

For someone concerned about WIFOM, you pack it into this post.

The Assassin Bot is no longer as powerful as it was. It isn't a lylo breaker anymore. It is instead an extra kill now, because it's safer to use before you die. Why you're trying to protect Janus is odd, especially considering he can protect himself. You're implying he's town because scum would save it, which is WIFOM.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 04:20:59 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 10:49:10 am

one question for Zathras: If you wanted to stop scums, why did you bother to tell Kamina that you were blocking him? That's stupid! That means if Kamina is scum, you've turned a 33% chance of blocking scum into 0%. Are you really trying to block scum, or just cover your own hide?

Now it seems you're not even paying attention. This is what I said in the post to which you reply:

Quote from: Zathras on November 28, 2010, 06:52:17 pm

I decided it was a good idea to waste my action one night if it would help assuage doubts, but once is enough. The blocking will be henceforth used how I decide is best, with the intent of preventing another kill and nailing more scum.

I know you are smart enough to know better, and engaged enough to remember the whole "is he or isn't he, should he be confirmed" conversation yesterday, so I have no choice but to see this as a wilful misreading of the situation, hoping to steer the conversation away from you. Well, at least you are back. Please don't forget to answer my multiple questions (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1758056#msg1758056).

People, what are your views on Web as scum now? Why is he getting a free pass? Once again, he has posted, but done nothing at all to hunt or to favour town, except for attacking those who were attacking him. So far it has only been me and Mr. Person... funny how he turned out dead this morning.

Willful misreading? YOU TOLD HIM YOU WERE BLOCKING HIM AND ASKED HIM TO LOWER ANYTHING PROTECTING HIM! If that isn't self-preservation, I don't know what is. You're obviously caring that people think you're a Psychic Warden, but you're not okay with working with the Town. You're obviously trying to keep yourself alive or you wouldn't've tried to hide your role when you had almost PROVEN PANDAR SCUM or asked someone if it's okay to block them, in case they have something that kills you.

I don't know if you suddenly dropped a couple thousand IQ since the last time you played mafia, but you seem to have some rather bizarre ideas of what's acceptable for a Town to do. Is hiding information that could lynch a scum a good idea? If it keeps you alive! Screw the team, go for the solo win? Screw off. If you're Town, you should be banned from games. You think you're some sort of Mafia King, but what you do harms the Town more than it helps it. So suck a crate full of lemons.

Since when have I been given a free pass? WHAT FREE PASS? Why would I kill Mr.Person? HE STOPPED GOING AFTER ME AT THE BEGINNING OF DAY 2! If anything, his death hurts me... well, it would have more if he wasn't an Agent. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING YOUR EVIDENCE?! There's no quotes, and it's certainly a misrepresentation of facts right there. I only thought of the opposite when Mr.Person died. Using Mr.Person makes your point basically MOOT! If he was suspicious of me, then who would he have inspected, you nimrod? See, unlike you, I'm pretty sure Mr.Person would've said, "Webadict is scum!" in the first post.

Granted, I'm assuming a lot of things. But, I'm just showing how bad your evidence is. By the way, if you end up dead tonight, I'm scum. Ooooooh!

Go cry in the corner.

Now, I have to decide whether or not to lynch Mish. If he turns out to be the Exterminator, then you're just really bad at the game, wasting the Town's resources going after me, keeping yourself alive, and warning people that you're blocking them.

And, Extension.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:09:58 pm

Unless Mish is replaced before the Day's end (not looking too likely), then I don't think him killing anybody in the night if he's the Exterminator is going to be a problem.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 29, 2010, 10:33:53 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:09:58 pm

Unless Mish is replaced before the Day's end (not looking too likely), then I don't think him killing anybody in the night if he's the Exterminator is going to be a problem.

... That's true, but if he is the Exterminator, then we'll need to find out eventually.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 10:52:43 am

Kamina:  Your line of attack is too heavy in WIFOM for my tastes.  The blanket answer to "Why would I do this as scum" is "So you could say you wouldn't do that as scum."  You wouldn't want to force a mislynch on Zath as that would almost certainly turn in to a lynch of you the next day.  You could help cement his claim today (giving you town cred) and then kill him off tonight.

I'll admit my post was overly reactionary.  What my point was is that my being scum would have some effect on the chances of Zathras being scum, yet Leafsnail didn't find this worth mentioning.  It's a weaker argument than I initially thought, but I don't think it's completely useless.
I'm really on the fence about Leafsnail.  He doesn't seem kinda scum or kinda town to me, he seems really strongly one or the other, I just can't seem to decide.  I can't understand some of his actions as him being a townie, and I can't understand others as him being scum.  He's just a huge puzzle, so I keep swinging from him being scum to him being town.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 28, 2010, 08:00:03 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 28, 2010, 07:32:58 pm

You're scum, Leafsnail.  This slip shall be your end.

This entire thing is quite funny, actually.

Your main problem seems to be that you think I ignored your question.  Ok, fair enough - you should've voted me to get an answer (maybe calling me scum in the process).  But you don't.  In fact, you don't vote me until it's absolutely clear I think you're scum.  THEN you get annoyed about me missing it, THEN you make a complete U-turn on everything and start voting me again.

In other words, this is one of the most blatant OMGUSs you can possibly do.  Somehow, I think that if I said "No, I don't think you're scum" you wouldn't have this reaction.

No, I wouldn't have voted you for that answer, since it wouldn't have had serious ramifications upon the game.

And I think it's your logic that needs to be checked here.
Do you seriously think I made that up for the sole reason of having the excuse to vote you for the sole reason of you voting me?  How is an OMGUS even a scumtell anyway?  What kind of idiot scum decides it would be in their best interests to vote someone because that someone voted them?
Seriously, just think about it...

Woah, Webadict post.

...U MAD.
Would you care to explain why I would lie about Zathras protecting if I wasn't scum with him?  If he's an exterminator aligned alien, that means I am too.  Yet you don't consider me scum.
This makes no sense.  I'm tempted to call scum right here.  You, after telling me not to be jittery, post this Mr Person inspecting you shit.
I don't like it.  You're also exhibiting selective scumhunting, hunting almost exclusively for the exterminator.

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Now, I have to decide whether or not to lynch Mish.

...you get to decide who gets lynched?  No.
You're tunneling Zathras like crazy, while the only thing you mention about me is advice.  HE RBED ME LAST NIGHT.  I AM NOT LYING.  WHY DID I GET WARDEN FLAVOR IF HE'S EXTERMINATOR?
CALL US BOTH SCUM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT JUST HIM.  THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.
Seriously, Webadict, you're not helping town at all.
I'm starting to agree with Zathras.  You've focused on him only, yet I know he's confirmed Physic Warden, ie NOT THE EXTERMINATOR.
In fact, screw you.
Unvote, vote webadict.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:09:58 pm

Unless Mish is replaced before the Day's end (not looking too likely), then I don't think him killing anybody in the night if he's the Exterminator is going to be a problem.

This all you have to day on one of the scummiest posts of the game?

However, why has wuba ignored MBP?  Look.  He just deflected a question on him.

Quote from: Webadict

Lynch MBP? When you're the Exterminator? I laugh. I like how you phrase the next question too. "Do you buy my warden claim?" Seriously? What is this? Hey, Zathras, do you buy that I'm King now? Can you at least phrase it in the way so you're trying not to look like scum?

Quote from: MBP

While i'm on the subject, find it weird that everyone forgot about all the day 1 crap and now just take his word like solid gold

Now stop right here.  My words have not been taking like 'solid gold'.  Just look at Leafsnail, he's been tunneling me ALL GAME.  Toaster doesn't like me.  I don't think anyone fully trusts me.

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if you arent scum, you can just post the pm and all is good.

Seriously?  You are acting on a Jetsuirrel/Ottofar level here.  You are insane.

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I'm not entirely convinced on your Psychic Warden tell. i dont remeber seeing the mod post about your Kamina block ( if i just missed it then by all means point the page).

...

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Webadict

Stays pretty much himself, i have no idea what he or may not be.

Funny, you two don't like talking about each other, do you?

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if Kamina flip town, we wont have killed a serviceable warden

Or we could, you know, actually lynch someone other than Zathras or I.

I'm sorry, but you're just avoiding being useful.  All you've done is point out some either old or obvious scumtells on me.  Nothing else.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 10:33:53 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:09:58 pm

Unless Mish is replaced before the Day's end (not looking too likely), then I don't think him killing anybody in the night if he's the Exterminator is going to be a problem.

... That's true, but if he is the Exterminator, then we'll need to find out eventually.

Wait, wait, wait, before I say something stupid here, what are you suggesting here?  That we lynch him anyway?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 10:51:13 pm

Yeah! This is more like the webadict we've come to expect and love! I do wish you snipped your quotes more, though.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

But, I'll start on an entirely different topic. Mr.Person. I think I can show that he inspected me on the first Night. I realize it's not provable without a Medium, but I'm almost certain he inspected me.

One, he was after me the first Day. He always seems to have some sort of problem with me or I with him. However, at the start of the next Day, he wasn't pushing me anymore. Looking at his first post shows that he finds me suspicious, but less so than usually and goes on to comment about my overall play style.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

It was very out of character for Webadict to be lurking. Sure, he had an excuse, but the posts he did make were very passive and weak. Now you can make all the excuses you want, but the only reason I'm going to unvote for that is if he started acting different. Which he has, by the way, so no more Webadict vote for me. At least for now. Actually, ugh, I hate playing with Webadict. It's like trying to read a foreign language or solve a crazy hard logic problem. You know it's possible, but you just can't figure how.

He mentions needing to grab new suspicions, calling me out of character, but overall DROPPING THE ATTACK. I do not contend that this is proof of my being Town. But, it goes a long way towards refuting Zathras's argument against me.

Hmmm... Yes, I grant that he dropped his attack on day two. Whether this means he inspected you or what that means for your alignment is a different question, however.

Quote from: webadict

Like I said before: Zathras had no need to warn the victim of his roleblock about it. Doing so seems to only cover his own hide, as usually.

The purpose for last night's block was to have independent confirmation of warden-style flavour. I followed JTF's advice here:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2010, 10:49:18 am

Revealing it in the thread probably gives the dopps too much information, but this is an open PM game.  At the very least, let someone (who you trust (yes, I realize this is Mafia, but there has to be someone)) know before the day ends who you're going to block via PM. They don't even have to reveal anything until tomorrow. Just let them know now, so we have a timestamped PM quote to verify it (yes, you can fake them but it will help)

I chose Kamina as a) he had been one of the most vocal "lynch Zath the alien!" dudes; b) going for JTF or Jim would have been too obvious; and c) I was worried about being set up for a PWV/sentrygun kill or giving a plasma bomb a tempting target (baseless, since warding is a remote thing, but I missed that at the time). He has confirmed that the flavour was a warden's; for you to insist I'm an alien, he'd have to be my willing co-conspirator, which I think is pretty far fetched (or go ahead and re-read day two discussion; it was painful).

Quote from: webadict

Zathras has displayed numerous self-preservation symptoms. He has purposefully delayed release of information so that he would not be a target (naturally making an enemy or suspicious person out of himself). He has willfully gone after only one person, with ennui towards all other lynches. And he has placed his own well-being above stopping scum. He didn't tell anyone he was a Roleblocker so that he wouldn't be killed by the Doppelgangers.

No. Again, I voted Pandar on my first post of the day, and claimed the block on the second (barring a minor correction in between). It left ample time for discussion, and it worked, so bugger off. As far as going after others, I've indicated other viable targets for my vote, but none has been more prevalent than you; this being your first honest effort to participate in the game was a large part of it.

Quote from: webadict

Also, he seems blissfully ignorant that the scum would clearly know that someone gunning for them would know who blocked them. You're not trying to help the Town. But, why? What has you so wound up that you must go after lurkers and safe your own skin?

I'm not helping the town?! I prevented a kill and lynched a tough dopp! How have you helped the town? Other than the grievous error of outing Pandar in my second post instead of the first, how am I overly protective of my own skin?

Quote from: webadict

Ah, but... You can't leave your house, can you? What if a Reporter tracked you going to someone's house last Night? What if you took a Stun Orb with you as your Tech? I suppose nobody else has thoroughly inspected the rules? Stun Orbs can have two-uses for Medium Tech. Now, it seems like this is all making sense, right? You're the Exterminator, right? You don't have a Shield or anything to protect you, so you stayed at home, in case some Reporter wanted to see you leave, breaking into my house and killing me. Is that it?

Yeah, that must be it. That what-if on top of what-if is meaningless WIFOM, it would still require Kamina to lie on my behalf, and, if I were the exterminator, making ridiculously bad tech choices and choosing not to kill.... Far-fetched doesn't begin to describe it.

Quote from: webadict

And now that I'm done piecing things together, I'll move on.

I don't think you are honest in your analysis. I think you are still lashing out at those who lash at you, lying through your teeth and knowingly misrepresenting facts in the process. Your Person point was the only good point in your defence you've made today; although it is interesting, I'll think about it for a bit before I decide whether to unvote you or not.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:13:00 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

...U MAD.
Would you care to explain why I would lie about Zathras protecting if I wasn't scum with him?  If he's an exterminator aligned alien, that means I am too.  Yet you don't consider me scum.

Why is this an issue to you? You seem pretty damn insecure about anyone who dares besmirch the untarnished name of your dear Zathras. If you want to tie his fate and yours together, you'll find more than enough people willing to lynch you both for it.

Hell, I'm really damn tempted to. Every piece of logic in my mind is saying that you both being scum doesn't make sense, but my gut... my gut wants to see how you'll flip. And I listen to my gut.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

Wait, wait, wait, before I say something stupid here,

Whoops, too late.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:09:58 pm

Unless Mish is replaced before the Day's end (not looking too likely), then I don't think him killing anybody in the night if he's the Exterminator is going to be a problem.

This all you have to day on one of the scummiest posts of the game?

I'm thinking it over. The only thing that occurred to me is that webadict saying Mr.Person inspected him is completely and totally unverifiable. Mr.Person could have dropped his attack for any number of reasons, so it would be silly to infer an inspection and a town result on webadict because of it. It very well could have been because of an inspect, but we're better served to judge webadict town or scum by how he plays than by what he says Mr.Person may have done.

Everything else is an attack on Zathras and his argument, and a bit about other suspicions.

Meh, I don't know what to think. I'm thinking it over.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:26:38 pm

This is what it boils down to: He thinks Zathras is scum, while I'm apparently town.
Explain how this makes any sense at all.
The issue here isn't him attacking Zathras, it's him making an effort to attack him while not considering pretty much the largest obstacle in this case.
Also: Why wouldn't I defend a (almost confirmed) townie (confirmed psychic warden anyway)?  Webadict said himself that we need to lynch scum today, yet didn't confront the largest problem in his case.
Don't like it.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:13:00 pm

Hell, I'm really damn tempted to. Every piece of logic in my mind is saying that you both being scum doesn't make sense, but my gut... my gut wants to see how you'll flip. And I listen to my gut.

So do you trust logic, or your gut?  Especially, if it is, as Webadict claims, LYLO.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 11:39:21 pm

Actually Kamina, my goal is to see the people i think are scum hanged. Right now, i don't buy Zathras claim. Really, you could be both aliens, or both dopps for all i know. I won't just stop feeling it by your only word. Really, if you were a townie (fat chance there, id say) would you not be irked if someone tested a claim with someone HE chose ? Think about it that way. no exterminator kill last night. Meaning he got blocked (seen nobody having that power for now, since mindshield would be innefective) or he just prefered not killing anybody. Really, the easiest out is to use your scunmfriend help and stage a fakclaim with the pms.  I would not argue if i had the mod post in front of me with the date and hour, but all i got is your word.Sorry, but that is not flying with me.  Hell, looking back at you guy interacting it's almost sickening. Zathras being all stern and fatherly when everyone was asking for your head, a real class act.

For the record, i dont think its LYLO yet, the exterminator has to kill some mafia eventually, we may have a guardien or war vet around to give town an edge. Still, need more scum to die soon or it's gonna go south.

Get those mods post, show me the flavor. Else get that rope ready.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:43:24 pm

POSTING FLAVOR TEXT IS AGAINST THE RULES!
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE POINTED OUT?!
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME IS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE MY WORD!
Like I said, bad as/worse than Ottofar/Jetsquirrel.
At least they know the rules.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 29, 2010, 11:46:32 pm

Kamina: Wrong. You weren't listening to the post. I said that Stun Orbs can be turned into a two-use Stun Orb. That means you could easily be a normal townsperson. In fact, I have no idea why you're freaking out, because I explicitly stated all of this.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

Woah, Webadict post.

...U MAD.
Would you care to explain why I would lie about Zathras protecting if I wasn't scum with him?  If he's an exterminator aligned alien, that means I am too.  Yet you don't consider me scum.
This makes no sense.  I'm tempted to call scum right here.  You, after telling me not to be jittery, post this Mr Person inspecting you shit.
I don't like it.  You're also exhibiting selective scumhunting, hunting almost exclusively for the exterminator.

Would you care to point out where I said you were lying? Seems like a Freudian slip if anything. Please, point it out. If you WANT to have a scumteam with him, then by all means, go. I have never seen someone freak out faster about me attacking someone else.

Now, hunting for the Exterminator is slightly scummy, yes, but if I can find the Exterminator, he needs to be lynched first. The chance of him killing a Townie is higher than him killing a Doppelganger. However, I have listed a few people who I suspect are dopps (Toaster, Leafsnail, Ottofar), but I would rather kill the Exterminator first. The math and logic are sound.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

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Now, I have to decide whether or not to lynch Mish.

...you get to decide who gets lynched?  No.

Because if Mish is the Exterminator, Zathras would likely be Town, plus the entire situation makes sense. It seems you're freaking out over nothing.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

You're tunneling Zathras like crazy, while the only thing you mention about me is advice.  HE RBED ME LAST NIGHT.  I AM NOT LYING.  WHY DID I GET WARDEN FLAVOR IF HE'S EXTERMINATOR?

... Okay...

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

CALL US BOTH SCUM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT JUST HIM.  THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.
Seriously, Webadict, you're not helping town at all.
I'm starting to agree with Zathras.  You've focused on him only, yet I know he's confirmed Physic Warden, ie NOT THE EXTERMINATOR.

... Right...

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

In fact, screw you.
Unvote, vote webadict.

... Uh huh...

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:09:58 pm

Unless Mish is replaced before the Day's end (not looking too likely), then I don't think him killing anybody in the night if he's the Exterminator is going to be a problem.

This all you have to day on one of the scummiest posts of the game?

However, why has wuba ignored MBP?  Look.  He just deflected a question on him.

Quote from: Webadict

Lynch MBP? When you're the Exterminator? I laugh. I like how you phrase the next question too. "Do you buy my warden claim?" Seriously? What is this? Hey, Zathras, do you buy that I'm King now? Can you at least phrase it in the way so you're trying not to look like scum?

Um, how about don't lynch MBP? Does that answer the question better, or would you rather take everything out of context?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

Quote from: MBP

While i'm on the subject, find it weird that everyone forgot about all the day 1 crap and now just take his word like solid gold

Now stop right here.  My words have not been taking like 'solid gold'.  Just look at Leafsnail, he's been tunneling me ALL GAME.  Toaster doesn't like me.  I don't think anyone fully trusts me.

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if you arent scum, you can just post the pm and all is good.

Seriously?  You are acting on a Jetsuirrel/Ottofar level here.  You are insane.

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I'm not entirely convinced on your Psychic Warden tell. i dont remeber seeing the mod post about your Kamina block ( if i just missed it then by all means point the page).

...

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Webadict

Stays pretty much himself, i have no idea what he or may not be.

Funny, you two don't like talking about each other, do you?

... Sure...

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

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if Kamina flip town, we wont have killed a serviceable warden

Or we could, you know, actually lynch someone other than Zathras or I.

I'm sorry, but you're just avoiding being useful.  All you've done is point out some either old or obvious scumtells on me.  Nothing else.

... K...

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 10:33:53 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 10:09:58 pm

Unless Mish is replaced before the Day's end (not looking too likely), then I don't think him killing anybody in the night if he's the Exterminator is going to be a problem.

... That's true, but if he is the Exterminator, then we'll need to find out eventually.

Wait, wait, wait, before I say something stupid here, what are you suggesting here?  That we lynch him anyway?

I see you didn't bother to absorb all of the text I wrote and instead jumped both to the end and conclusions. I'm stating that there's three possibilities for Exterminator, and I'm focusing on the one that needs focusing. Just because you turn a blind eye to everything, doesn't make it impossible.

Perhaps you can sit in the corner and chainsaw defend from there. I'm sure your evergrowing stupidity will reach me there.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 10:51:13 pm

Yeah! This is more like the webadict we've come to expect and love! I do wish you snipped your quotes more, though.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

But, I'll start on an entirely different topic. Mr.Person. I think I can show that he inspected me on the first Night. I realize it's not provable without a Medium, but I'm almost certain he inspected me.

One, he was after me the first Day. He always seems to have some sort of problem with me or I with him. However, at the start of the next Day, he wasn't pushing me anymore. Looking at his first post shows that he finds me suspicious, but less so than usually and goes on to comment about my overall play style.

Quote from: Mr.Person on November 19, 2010, 02:02:36 am

It was very out of character for Webadict to be lurking. Sure, he had an excuse, but the posts he did make were very passive and weak. Now you can make all the excuses you want, but the only reason I'm going to unvote for that is if he started acting different. Which he has, by the way, so no more Webadict vote for me. At least for now. Actually, ugh, I hate playing with Webadict. It's like trying to read a foreign language or solve a crazy hard logic problem. You know it's possible, but you just can't figure how.

He mentions needing to grab new suspicions, calling me out of character, but overall DROPPING THE ATTACK. I do not contend that this is proof of my being Town. But, it goes a long way towards refuting Zathras's argument against me.

Hmmm... Yes, I grant that he dropped his attack on day two. Whether this means he inspected you or what that means for your alignment is a different question, however.

If there's a Medium, I'm sure he can confirm it. I'm almost 98% sure.

Quote from: webadict

Like I said before: Zathras had no need to warn the victim of his roleblock about it. Doing so seems to only cover his own hide, as usually.

The purpose for last night's block was to have independent confirmation of warden-style flavour. I followed JTF's advice here:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2010, 10:49:18 am

Revealing it in the thread probably gives the dopps too much information, but this is an open PM game.  At the very least, let someone (who you trust (yes, I realize this is Mafia, but there has to be someone)) know before the day ends who you're going to block via PM. They don't even have to reveal anything until tomorrow. Just let them know now, so we have a timestamped PM quote to verify it (yes, you can fake them but it will help)

I chose Kamina as a) he had been one of the most vocal "lynch Zath the alien!" dudes; b) going for JTF or Jim would have been too obvious; and c) I was worried about being set up for a PWV/sentrygun kill or giving a plasma bomb a tempting target (baseless, since warding is a remote thing, but I missed that at the time). He has confirmed that the flavour was a warden's; for you to insist I'm an alien, he'd have to be my willing co-conspirator, which I think is pretty far fetched (or go ahead and re-read day two discussion; it was painful).
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I can assume that Chains appear on Stun Bombs just in case he's not a co-conspirator. Meph can confirm whether Stun Bombs show Chains or do not, but dropping this because of one thing won't be enough.

You can't make it an either or. It's always more than that.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 10:51:13 pm

Quote from: webadict

Zathras has displayed numerous self-preservation symptoms. He has purposefully delayed release of information so that he would not be a target (naturally making an enemy or suspicious person out of himself). He has willfully gone after only one person, with ennui towards all other lynches. And he has placed his own well-being above stopping scum. He didn't tell anyone he was a Roleblocker so that he wouldn't be killed by the Doppelgangers.

No. Again, I voted Pandar on my first post of the day, and claimed the block on the second (barring a minor correction in between). It left ample time for discussion, and it worked, so bugger off. As far as going after others, I've indicated other viable targets for my vote, but none has been more prevalent than you; this being your first honest effort to participate in the game was a large part of it.

I'm still saying that you waited so that you wouldn't be a target. And I have been busy. Finals and what-not. This is the first evening I actually got to write something.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 10:51:13 pm

Quote from: webadict

Also, he seems blissfully ignorant that the scum would clearly know that someone gunning for them would know who blocked them. You're not trying to help the Town. But, why? What has you so wound up that you must go after lurkers and safe your own skin?

I'm not helping the town?! I prevented a kill and lynched a tough dopp! How have you helped the town? Other than the grievous error of outing Pandar in my second post instead of the first, how am I overly protective of my own skin?

You wrote in the PM to Kamina to lower any protection he would have, meaning you were trying to protect yourself.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 10:51:13 pm

Quote from: webadict

Ah, but... You can't leave your house, can you? What if a Reporter tracked you going to someone's house last Night? What if you took a Stun Orb with you as your Tech? I suppose nobody else has thoroughly inspected the rules? Stun Orbs can have two-uses for Medium Tech. Now, it seems like this is all making sense, right? You're the Exterminator, right? You don't have a Shield or anything to protect you, so you stayed at home, in case some Reporter wanted to see you leave, breaking into my house and killing me. Is that it?

Yeah, that must be it. That what-if on top of what-if is meaningless WIFOM, it would still require Kamina to lie on my behalf, and, if I were the exterminator, making ridiculously bad tech choices and choosing not to kill.... Far-fetched doesn't begin to describe it.

Perhaps there's more to it than that? You could have taken the Large Tech that grabs smaller Tech whenever. You could have taken the chance for Kamina to lie, as surviving one more Day grants you immunity to lynch. You could have taken the Stun Orbs from your Operative. You seem to be ignoring these.

I mean, all WIFOM right there.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 10:51:13 pm

Quote from: webadict

And now that I'm done piecing things together, I'll move on.

I don't think you are honest in your analysis. I think you are still lashing out at those who lash at you, lying through your teeth and knowingly misrepresenting facts in the process. Your Person point was the only good point in your defence you've made today; although it is interesting, I'll think about it for a bit before I decide whether to unvote you or not.

But, the Person defense is the least important. The important portion is that THERE IS AN EXTERMINATOR AND HE NEEDS TO DIE. If it's Mish, then there's little to worry about. But, I think you being the Exterminator is a very real possibility.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:26:38 pm

This is what it boils down to: He thinks Zathras is scum, while I'm apparently town.
Explain how this makes any sense at all.
The issue here isn't him attacking Zathras, it's him making an effort to attack him while not considering pretty much the largest obstacle in this case.
Also: Why wouldn't I defend a (almost confirmed) townie (confirmed psychic warden anyway)?  Webadict said himself that we need to lynch scum today, yet didn't confront the largest problem in his case.
Don't like it.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:13:00 pm

Hell, I'm really damn tempted to. Every piece of logic in my mind is saying that you both being scum doesn't make sense, but my gut... my gut wants to see how you'll flip. And I listen to my gut.

So do you trust logic, or your gut?  Especially, if it is, as Webadict claims, LYLO.

... WHEN DID I CLAIM IT WAS LYLO!?!? ARE YOU AN IDIOT?!? GREATER AND MINOR DEITIES! YOUR BOILING STUPIDITIES BURNS MY EYES! THAT'S ALL THERE IS!

There's only so much I can take from you. You haven't looked at anything you've written.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 11:39:21 pm

Actually Kamina, my goal is to see the people i think are scum hanged. Right now, i don't buy Zathras claim. Really, you could be both aliens, or both dopps for all i know. I won't just stop feeling it by your only word. Really, if you were a townie (fat chance there, id say) would you not be irked if someone tested a claim with someone HE chose ? Think about it that way. no exterminator kill last night. Meaning he got blocked (seen nobody having that power for now, since mindshield would be innefective) or he just prefered not killing anybody. Really, the easiest out is to use your scunmfriend help and stage a fakclaim with the pms.  I would not argue if i had the mod post in front of me with the date and hour, but all i got is your word.Sorry, but that is not flying with me.  Hell, looking back at you guy interacting it's almost sickening. Zathras being all stern and fatherly when everyone was asking for your head, a real class act.

For the record, i dont think its LYLO yet, the exterminator has to kill some mafia eventually, we may have a guardien or war vet around to give town an edge. Still, need more scum to die soon or it's gonna go south.

Get those mods post, show me the flavor. Else get that rope ready.

Umm, no quoting the mod.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:43:24 pm

POSTING FLAVOR TEXT IS AGAINST THE RULES!
HOW MANY TIMES MUST THIS BE POINTED OUT?!
THE WHOLE POINT OF THE GAME IS THAT YOU ONLY HAVE MY WORD!
Like I said, bad as/worse than Ottofar/Jetsquirrel.
At least they know the rules.

Calm down, kid. If anyone should be fuming, it's anyone that reads YOUR posts. It's like you hemorrhage incoherencies wherever possible.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:49:16 pm

As for your points, what else could I do as town?  NOT tell everyone that Zathras blocked me?
Why he didn't choose to lynch someone has been mentioned before.

Quote from: Zathras on November 29, 2010, 10:51:13 pm

I chose Kamina as a) he had been one of the most vocal "lynch Zath the alien!" dudes; b) going for JTF or Jim would have been too obvious; and c) I was worried about being set up for a PWV/sentrygun kill or giving a plasma bomb a tempting target (baseless, since warding is a remote thing, but I missed that at the time). He has confirmed that the flavour was a warden's; for you to insist I'm an alien, he'd have to be my willing co-conspirator, which I think is pretty far fetched (or go ahead and re-read day two discussion; it was painful).

There you have it.

Next post addresses Webadict's response.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:56:06 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:26:38 pm

This is what it boils down to: He thinks Zathras is scum, while I'm apparently town.
Explain how this makes any sense at all.
The issue here isn't him attacking Zathras, it's him making an effort to attack him while not considering pretty much the largest obstacle in this case.
Also: Why wouldn't I defend a (almost confirmed) townie (confirmed psychic warden anyway)?  Webadict said himself that we need to lynch scum today, yet didn't confront the largest problem in his case.
Don't like it.

Instead of flipping your shit about it you could try pointing it out to webadict and asking questions calmly. When you overreact like you just did you invite such inconvenient questions like "Why the fuck do you care so much?" and "Why do you have to come rushing to Zathras' rescue every time somebody suspects him?"

When you keep doing this you two look joined at the hip, like you're in it together, like you share the same win condition, and that means you look an awfully lot like scum.

But fuck, KaminaSquirtle, people can determine whether or not a player is scummy independently of all other concerns. Why don't you quit flipping your shit about people not implying that you are scum when they suspect Zathras. I mean, if you and Zathras want to be forever together, you're doing a great job of dragging you two both down.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:26:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:13:00 pm

Hell, I'm really damn tempted to. Every piece of logic in my mind is saying that you both being scum doesn't make sense, but my gut... my gut wants to see how you'll flip. And I listen to my gut.

So do you trust logic, or your gut?  Especially, if it is, as Webadict claims, LYLO.

I trust my gut more than I trust any logic.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 29, 2010, 11:39:21 pm

Get those mods post, show me the flavor. Else get that rope ready.

You do realize you are asking KaminaSquirtle and Zathras to break the rule about not quoting PMs from the mod, don't you?

Don't do it again.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 12:04:07 am

Heh, served it's purpose well enough :P (but really, i got mixed since earlier there was a few post that must have been  from para 16 or something in the thread, so i kind of assumed. Sorry about that).

Still satisfied the reaction I got from him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 12:07:24 am

Meph reveals all the action PMs he sent out at the end of the game. Since they were posted publicly and were not about a game currently in progress it was perfectly acceptable to post them again.

And if you're satisfied by the reaction, tell me, how so?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 12:13:18 am

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 11:46:32 pm

Kamina: Wrong. You weren't listening to the post. I said that Stun Orbs can be turned into a two-use Stun Orb. That means you could easily be a normal townsperson. In fact, I have no idea why you're freaking out, because I explicitly stated all of this.

Yes.  But I thought stun orbs didn't give the chain flavor?

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Would you care to point out where I said you were lying? Seems like a Freudian slip if anything. Please, point it out. If you WANT to have a scumteam with him, then by all means, go. I have never seen someone freak out faster about me attacking someone else.

Now, hunting for the Exterminator is slightly scummy, yes, but if I can find the Exterminator, he needs to be lynched first. The chance of him killing a Townie is higher than him killing a Doppelganger. However, I have listed a few people who I suspect are dopps (Toaster, Leafsnail, Ottofar), but I would rather kill the Exterminator first. The math and logic are sound.

The basis of my argument was that the roleblock flavor mentioned chains, and that a stun orb block wouldn't.
I never meant that you said I was lying, but that the only explanation for Zathras being Exterminator would be me lying.  This is operating under the assumption that only warden blocks give the chain flavor.

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Because if Mish is the Exterminator, Zathras would likely be Town, plus the entire situation makes sense. It seems you're freaking out over nothing.

I suppose so.  I think I seriously misunderstood your post.

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If there's a Medium, I'm sure he can confirm it. I'm almost 98% sure.

I doubt we started with more than two.  But I suppose so.

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I can assume that Chains appear on Stun Bombs just in case he's not a co-conspirator. Meph can confirm whether Stun Bombs show Chains or do not, but dropping this because of one thing won't be enough.

You can't make it an either or. It's always more than that.

Ok, this is important.  Just know that if they don't, then I will maintain that Zathras is town.

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... WHEN DID I CLAIM IT WAS LYLO!?!? ARE YOU AN IDIOT?!? GREATER AND MINOR DEITIES! YOUR BOILING STUPIDITIES BURNS MY EYES! THAT'S ALL THERE IS!

There's only so much I can take from you. You haven't looked at anything you've written.

This is where I thought I saw that.  You said you have to lynch scum.  I thought that was the definition of LYLO?

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There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

I also forgot that at least one of the 4+ would be an alien.  So that dopps wouldn't win here.
And yes, I have been an idiot, thank you for pointing that out.

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Calm down, kid. If anyone should be fuming, it's anyone that reads YOUR posts. It's like you hemorrhage incoherencies wherever possible.

You're right...
I need to reevaluate how these posts are coming out.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:56:06 pm

Instead of flipping your shit about it you could try pointing it out to webadict and asking questions calmly. When you overreact like you just did you invite such inconvenient questions like "Why the fuck do you care so much?" and "Why do you have to come rushing to Zathras' rescue every time somebody suspects him?"

When you keep doing this you two look joined at the hip, like you're in it together, like you share the same win condition, and that means you look an awfully lot like scum.

But fuck, KaminaSquirtle, people can determine whether or not a player is scummy independently of all other concerns. Why don't you quit flipping your shit about people not implying that you are scum when they suspect Zathras. I mean, if you and Zathras want to be forever together, you're doing a great job of dragging you two both down.

I didn't mean to flip my shit.

As long as wardens are the only ones who give the chain flavor, the only conclusion I can reach is Zathras being a warden, seeing as I got the chain flavor.

I need to reevaluate.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

Alright, then. If Meph says Stun Orbs are Chainless, I can assume that Zathras is a Psychic Warden. I just don't want to take my chance, as that was both several games ago and with a Stun Bomb.

If that's the case, then Mish is likely the Exterminator. Now, if THAT'S the case, then we don't have to worry about the Exterminator, but if someone was protected from a kill last Night, then claiming it now would be nice.

Otherwise, I think it can be assumed to about a 99% accuracy that Mish is the Exterminator.

And the Medium thing was an aside. If there's no Medium, it can't be proven. Whatever.

The lylo thing is simply stating that we will be unable to lynch all scum should there be a mislynch and 2 town kills tonight. If that happens, we'll be unable to kill the Exterminator, unless Zathras can block a Dopp kill again, or there's a Guardian or Guard.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 08:26:25 am

I like to see people squirm. and yeah, emotionnal response is a scummy sign if there is one.

For web, if there was a protect it was not my doing . Don't know how many guardian there is.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Ottofar on November 30, 2010, 10:24:17 am

Yeah sorry for not posting yesterday. Had about ten minutes, so yeah.

Toaster's been quite quiet.

I think I'm gonna vote Kamina, for early stuff, and now going to: "Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah, I'm an idiot"-phase.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 12:13:18 am

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... WHEN DID I CLAIM IT WAS LYLO!?!? ARE YOU AN IDIOT?!? GREATER AND MINOR DEITIES! YOUR BOILING STUPIDITIES BURNS MY EYES! THAT'S ALL THERE IS!

There's only so much I can take from you. You haven't looked at anything you've written.

This is where I thought I saw that.  You said you have to lynch scum.  I thought that was the definition of LYLO?

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There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

I also forgot that at least one of the 4+ would be an alien.  So that dopps wouldn't win here.
And yes, I have been an idiot, thank you for pointing that out.

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Calm down, kid. If anyone should be fuming, it's anyone that reads YOUR posts. It's like you hemorrhage incoherencies wherever possible.

You're right...
I need to reevaluate how these posts are coming out.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 11:56:06 pm

Instead of flipping your shit about it you could try pointing it out to webadict and asking questions calmly. When you overreact like you just did you invite such inconvenient questions like "Why the fuck do you care so much?" and "Why do you have to come rushing to Zathras' rescue every time somebody suspects him?"

When you keep doing this you two look joined at the hip, like you're in it together, like you share the same win condition, and that means you look an awfully lot like scum.

But fuck, KaminaSquirtle, people can determine whether or not a player is scummy independently of all other concerns. Why don't you quit flipping your shit about people not implying that you are scum when they suspect Zathras. I mean, if you and Zathras want to be forever together, you're doing a great job of dragging you two both down.

I didn't mean to flip my shit.

As long as wardens are the only ones who give the chain flavor, the only conclusion I can reach is Zathras being a warden, seeing as I got the chain flavor.

I need to reevaluate.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 05:25:15 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 29, 2010, 01:40:07 pm

I mean, I might ask why, say, you're repeatedly defending JTF, who isn't remotely confirmed.  Or why you've been tunneling me constantly for the last 2 days.  But hey, whatever.

Why is it bad for him to tunnel you but OK for you to tunnel Janus and Jim?  Your hypocrisy is suspicious.

It's not a scumtell.  I'm pointing out his use of it as a reason why his entire case against me is bullshit (look at the quote I'm responding to).

How does that follow?  All I see is "It's OK for me but not for him!"



Janus:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Argembarger:  If you're so concerned about a tiebreaker, why aren't you pressing the people who are in the tie?  With your unvote, that's Otto and Leaf.

I'm pretty sure you've got that bass-ackwards. He said that there's an extension, so we have 24 more hours to worry about a tied vote.

He has more time, sure, but he's not using it to question either of them.


Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 26, 2010, 08:45:43 pm

Hmm.  Zath's clearly not a dopp, and I tend to buy his warden claim.  I have trouble seeing a Kamina/Zath exty-op combo, so I'll have to ponder Kamina's case.  In the mean time...

Ottofar:

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.
I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.
Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.
I'm gonna go sleep.

This post demands explanation.
While you're explaining it, please tell me if this explanation makes sense to you:  You're an Alien Survivor who used Pandar's obvscumminess as an opportunity to come out to the scum team so you can help them win at LYLO.

Mish hasn't posted since the 19th, and probably needs to be replaced.

MBP has no such excuse.  You're willfully ignoring this thread since you were just on the forum.  Get in here or die.

This continues why I believe you to be a Doppelganger. It's these subtle phrases you throw in. It unnerves me. Something about you just reeks of scum.

I believe you didn't say anything about me, either, while you were pointing out people that weren't here. Why is this?

I'm not sure what you mean by "subtle phrases" here.  As for the last question, see this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740063#msg1740063) and my quoted one.  The four of you on that list I specifically wanted to hear from, and you had posted right then.  Otto gave his crap post, MBP posted nothing, and Mish is AWOL.  I didn't get back to your lack of posting until later.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 10:52:43 am

Kamina:  Your line of attack is too heavy in WIFOM for my tastes.  The blanket answer to "Why would I do this as scum" is "So you could say you wouldn't do that as scum."  You wouldn't want to force a mislynch on Zath as that would almost certainly turn in to a lynch of you the next day.  You could help cement his claim today (giving you town cred) and then kill him off tonight.

Argembarger:  The traditional uses of a scum assassin bot is to use it right at LYLO to turn it into a scum win- the town usually uses it early before they get killed.  It's not a vindication of his alignment, but it does knock him down on the suspicion list a bit, at least.

For someone concerned about WIFOM, you pack it into this post.

The Assassin Bot is no longer as powerful as it was. It isn't a lylo breaker anymore. It is instead an extra kill now, because it's safer to use before you die. Why you're trying to protect Janus is odd, especially considering he can protect himself. You're implying he's town because scum would save it, which is WIFOM.

Hmmm, true re assassin bot.  I suppose you're right about the WIFOM.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

What makes you think there could be a Scientist?  There weren't grabs either of the first two nights.


Kamina:
Do you need more gas for that chainsaw?  You're using the hell out of it to defend Zathras.

If Ottofar wasn't being so useless, voting with very little reasoning, OMGUS-suspicion casting (hypocritically), and generally being unhelpful, I'd change my vote.

Otto, seriously, explain yourself better.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 11:08:52 am

Quote from: Ottofar on November 30, 2010, 10:24:17 am

I think I'm gonna vote Kamina, for early stuff, and now going to: "Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah, I'm an idiot"-phase.

I was being stupid though.  I'm not saying everything I thought was wrong.  I'm saying that I shouldn't be so aggressive so quickly.

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

Alright, then. If Meph says Stun Orbs are Chainless, I can assume that Zathras is a Psychic Warden. I just don't want to take my chance, as that was both several games ago and with a Stun Bomb.

If that's the case, then Mish is likely the Exterminator. Now, if THAT'S the case, then we don't have to worry about the Exterminator, but if someone was protected from a kill last Night, then claiming it now would be nice.

Otherwise, I think it can be assumed to about a 99% accuracy that Mish is the Exterminator.

Ok.  Mish being exterminator makes a lot of sense.  I wonder why Mish's absence/ the lack of exterminator kill+ hasn't been brought up before?

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

The lylo thing is simply stating that we will be unable to lynch all scum should there be a mislynch and 2 town kills tonight. If that happens, we'll be unable to kill the Exterminator, unless Zathras can block a Dopp kill again, or there's a Guardian or Guard.

Ok, that makes more sense.  So in that case we would have to hope for some exterminator/dopp crossfire.

Quote from: Toaster

Do you need more gas for that chainsaw?  You're using the hell out of it to defend Zathras.

It wasn't a chainsaw, but I think there's nothing I can do to convince you it's not, so no point arguing over it.
Anyway, a chainsaw is a nulltell if Zathras doesn't flip scum.  I am convinced that he won't.
That is, as long as only wardens have the chains.  Otherwise, I could easily see him as the exterminator, as Webadict has made a case for.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 11:50:53 am

You aggressively defended Zath by attacking Web, the person attacking him.  If that's not a chainsaw defense, I don't know what is.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 11:08:52 am

Anyway, a chainsaw is a nulltell if Zathras doesn't flip scum.

You're right, but see the emphasized part.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 12:08:48 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

No, I wouldn't have voted you for that answer, since it wouldn't have had serious ramifications upon the game.

So, Kaminasquirtle admits that he only voted me because I still think he's scum.  Wow, sounds like a really townie thing to do!

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

And I think it's your logic that needs to be checked here.
Do you seriously think I made that up for the sole reason of having the excuse to vote you for the sole reason of you voting me?  How is an OMGUS even a scumtell anyway?  What kind of idiot scum decides it would be in their best interests to vote someone because that someone voted them?
Seriously, just think about it...

"I shouldn't have to do homework!  The dog ate my homework!  I actually did my homework, but I didn't bring it in today!"

The answers to your questions are respectively: 1) No, you flipped the fuck out when you realise I've still got you nailed, 2) because a townie shouldn't panic when people suspect them like that and should vote for scum and 3) You.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

CALL US BOTH SCUM, BUT CERTAINLY NOT JUST HIM.  THAT MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE.

Obvious attempt to drag Zathras down with you is obvious.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 10:39:38 pm

I'm sorry, but you're just avoiding being useful.  All you've done is point out some either old or obvious scumtells on me.  Nothing else.

You're still scum, no matter how old or obvious.

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

How does that follow?  All I see is "It's OK for me but not for him!"

It's ok for both of us, since it's not a scumtell.  I showed examples of him doing this to show how stupid it is to build a case out of it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 12:10:50 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

Janus:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Argembarger:  If you're so concerned about a tiebreaker, why aren't you pressing the people who are in the tie?  With your unvote, that's Otto and Leaf.

I'm pretty sure you've got that bass-ackwards. He said that there's an extension, so we have 24 more hours to worry about a tied vote.

He has more time, sure, but he's not using it to question either of them.

Fair enough. I'm getting kind of busy now though; academic crunch time. My truly active hours will probably be restricted to late afternoon through night instead of all day like it is now.

I'm actually posting from class right now, shhhhh. (not that that's normally a problem, a lot of my posts are me posting from class, but it's getting dangerously close to finals.)

I'll throw some questions down later tonight. Hopefully there will still be time for that. I'll definitely cast my vote before the deadline, though. I simply figured the extension would help everyone, I mean, I'm not the only one here who is capable of breaking the tie before tonight.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 12:50:09 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

Alright, then. If Meph says Stun Orbs are Chainless, I can assume that Zathras is a Psychic Warden. I just don't want to take my chance, as that was both several games ago and with a Stun Bomb.

Stun Orbs are indeed supposed to be chainless.

Although...that gives me an idea for a new Alien Tech...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 01:09:31 pm

I'd just have it integrated with the Camoflage (an alien with camo can make his blocks look like a warden).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Dariush on November 30, 2010, 01:16:27 pm

I may as well try my hand at this. Put me up as replacement, please :)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 01:18:24 pm

Quote from: Ottofar on November 30, 2010, 10:24:17 am

Yeah sorry for not posting yesterday. Had about ten minutes, so yeah.

Toaster's been quite quiet.

I think I'm gonna vote Kamina, for early stuff, and now going to: "Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah, I'm an idiot"-phase.

But-

Wuh-

Whatever.

Unvote Leafsnail. Ottofar. I don't like your three line posts full of reasonless votes and ambivalence and uncertainty nor your infrequent participation.

webadict, you're talking a lot about who needs to be lynched but you still haven't voted anybody.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 01:23:55 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
KaminaSquirtle: Mysteriousbluepuppet, Ottofar
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Argembarger
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Toaster
webadict: KaminaSquirtle, Zathras

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific today. There is one request for an Extension.

Dariush has replaced Mish. Dariush, please try to get up to speed as quickly as possible. And thank you for joining!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 01:54:07 pm

Leafsnail:

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 12:08:48 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

How does that follow?  All I see is "It's OK for me but not for him!"

It's ok for both of us, since it's not a scumtell.  I showed examples of him doing this to show how stupid it is to build a case out of it.

Ok, now I see what you're saying.

Dariush:  Welcome!  When you're done reading over the thread, please tell us who you suspect and why.

Extension so there's time to fully evaluate here.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on November 30, 2010, 02:03:36 pm

I'm also for extension since I have a loooot more to read and consolidate my thoughts about all this...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 02:04:32 pm

Day is now Extended to ~5pm Pacific Wednesday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 02:15:34 pm

I am highly interested in your forthcoming posts, Dariush.

In the meantime: Ottofar, why do you think we should vote Kamina over you? Argue something.

Leafsnail and JTF, what do you think of the possibility of Mish/Dariush exterminatorship?

I think it's an intriguing theory, and it seems to fit nicely to the evidence.

Dariush: (obviously,) why are you or aren't you the exterminator?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 03:03:37 pm

I pretty much hate everything about the post you just made, Argembarger.

For one, you drop some FoSes and you don't say why. That's the big thing.

And then you ask a bunch of useless questions and make empty commentary.

Why do you apparently suspect Ottofar and Leafsnail? Reasonless suspicions are bad for the same reason reasonless votes are, but to a lesser degree.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 03:29:47 pm

How are my questions useless, exactly?

Ottofar waltzes in, throws a few sentences of speculation down, and votes Kamina with his only evidence being a massive quotedump. It's not an argument, it's like if you're assigned an essay and all you hand in to the professor is your source material. I want him to elaborate.

Leafsnail and JTF are still over there ripping each others throats out, at least when Leaf hasn't been going after Kamina as usual. They haven't really mentioned Mish at all. I'm interested in what they think of the situation. It might even get Leaf talking about something other than Kamina or JTF or you for once.

The FoS's I threw down are because they seem scummy to me, and because I want their attention. Ottofar's on the chopping block over there and barely seems to care. Leafsnail's quite a bit lower than Ottofar on my scum list, but there is no half-FoS option. Perhaps I should have put his name in teal?

And then my question for Dariush, well, yeah. Webadict's over there claiming 99% certainty that Dariush is the Exterminator. It's obvious that he's gonna have to deal with that soon. I figured I might as well phrase it as a formal question.

My commentary is pretty empty, yeah, but that's because I'm still stealthposting from my classes, I don't have time to start digging up a bunch of quotes. I'll be back home in a little bit. Perhaps I'll do that then, yeah? But my suspicions are not baseless, and my questions are not useless.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on November 30, 2010, 04:15:06 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 12:50:09 pm

Stun Orbs are indeed supposed to be chainless.

I'm surprised you answered this; I thought Web specifically worded it as a question you wouldn't answer to increase the WIFOM level of the conversation. But thanks; that should put it to rest at last.

Quote from: Meph

Although...that gives me an idea for a new Alien Tech...

Oh gods no... life's already hard enough for a poor warden. This game should serve as a case study for why wardens should be careful about claiming: they will spend the next week battling "you are alien!" charges even after saving a townie life and hanging a dopp.


Now that that's out of the way, a couple of extra points:

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

Alright, then. If Meph says Stun Orbs are Chainless, I can assume that Zathras is a Psychic Warden. If that's the case, then Mish is likely the Exterminator. Now, if THAT'S the case, then we don't have to worry about the Exterminator, but if someone was protected from a kill last Night, then claiming it now would be nice. Otherwise, I think it can be assumed to about a 99% accuracy that Mish is the Exterminator.

I don't buy this. The only thing that may point to Mish being the exterminator is that he was away during the night when there was no exterminator kill. I think the guardian option is just as likely. Also, no one can claim to have been protected, dumbass, because you don't know that you've been protected by a guardian (only an Observant Guard would do that, but would have died). Are you asking the guardian to claim? How would that not backfire?

Quote from: web

And the Medium thing was an aside. If there's no Medium, it can't be proven. Whatever.

This, plus the guardian bit, show you are spinning WIFOMy tales to distract the town. The chances of there being a third medium are negligible, and you know it.

I think that you are going all out "KILL THE EXTERMINATOR" because you are the exterminator, and your leading the chase for him would implicitly clear you. You know there's a guardian, who protected your target last night, and decided that the best way to obscure the fact would be to resuscitate the WIFOM about me being it, and tech choices, orbs, and whatnot. Or at least get him to claim, or throw the blame on the absent Mish. The amount of wine you've spewed over your last few posts is nauseating.

No. I'm still convinced you are scum; your relentless wine spewing over the exterminator makes me think you are scum of the alien variety, rather than dopp, and thus you should hang today. I'd block you tonight, but if you are the exterminator, as I suspect, then you would be immune to it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 04:32:35 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 03:29:47 pm

The FoS's I threw down are because they seem scummy to me,

I want to know why you think that way, not just that you do.

Spell it out for me. I want to know exactly why you suspect them. This sort of vague half-suspicion thing you're trying to pull is a bunch of crap.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 03:29:47 pm

How are my questions useless, exactly?

Because you won't get any meaningful answers from them.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 02:15:34 pm

Dariush: (obviously,) why are you or aren't you the exterminator?

This question is useless because you're basically asking for WIFOM. Even if he is the Exterminator, he will obviously deny it, and the only thing you're going to get is several hypothetical reasons that can't be trusted. In other words, worthless.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 02:15:34 pm

Leafsnail and JTF, what do you think of the possibility of Mish/Dariush exterminatorship?

This question is useless because anybody with a brain can talk generally and blandly about it in a way that reveals nothing about themselves.

Even aside from that, the only thing this question serves to accomplish is to get people thinking about Dariush being the Exterminator, which is completely pointless to talk about until he comes and posts.

You say you suspect Ottofar. Why aren't you voting him? What do you have against MBP if you're keeping your vote on him while throwing FoSes around like little blue candies to people you say you suspect?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 04:41:39 pm

Then please Zathras, since you obviously are the warden, who would you block tonight ? Kamina is right out, and if we follow yesterday jim would be too obvious ( wich hardly makes much sense to me, really) So, whos the lucky guy ?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 05:04:38 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 02:15:34 pm

In the meantime: Ottofar, why do you think we should vote Kamina over you? Argue something.

No sir, this is crap.  You're foisting a false dilemma on him, and making him do your work for you.  This is noticeably scummy, Argembarger.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 04:41:39 pm

Then please Zathras, since you obviously are the warden, who would you block tonight ? Kamina is right out, and if we follow yesterday jim would be too obvious ( wich hardly makes much sense to me, really) So, whos the lucky guy ?

Why would him saying publicly who he plans to block do anybody town any good?  The only thing it could do is warn off the scum team if he happens to announce a member.  This is crap too, MBP.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 05:23:02 pm

Would help me see what are his ideas. Right now, except his weird love for Kamina,  we don't know anything on his plans. Really, if hes really outed as a warden, the scum wont take too long to get him. he has not died last night, so here are the classic probablitys :

 He is a warden, and he was protected form the exterminator. Possible, but not that likely.
 he is a warden, and he was not protected, the exterminator has not acted. Only makes sense if Mish is the exterminator, else i doubt anybody would have waited to get rid of such a powerfull role.
 he is a dopp, probly with Kamina. Explains why the dopp would leave him alone (duh) and again the exterminator could be Mish or just decided to take a break
He is the exterminator,  and decided not to kill, or hes been blocked. Blocked would be surprising to me, but just refraining to throw suspicion on Mish sounds devious enough for Zathy here. Again, a Zath-Kamina alien team would explain the block choice. In my opinion, choosing Jim would have had greater weight to me, considering he did most of the work on Pandar. And that Kamina is pretty much BFF with him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

And I thought I posted long posts. Webadict, yours are a little bit on the crazy (long) side.

Dariush, welcome! Please do your best to post something of content by tomorrow afternoon. Even if you haven't read through everything, get into the discussion as soon as possible.

Spoiler: Long Version (click to show/hide)

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

Up to 3 town deaths. Even assuming that we mislynch today and that the Exterminator is the only Alien about, the average number of town deaths (competely chosen at random) tonight is only ~1.5 rather than two. (Yes, the math really doesn't help, but it was amusing to work out.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Like I said before: Zathras had no need to warn the victim of his roleblock about it. Doing so seems to only cover his own hide, as usually.

Completely disagree with you on this. He needed to PM someone who he would roleblock so that they could confirm that he did it (which was a good chunk of the point). It would have been helpful if he hadn't blocked the same person he PMed, but I don't think that was clear enough in my post yesterday. As it is, it works out. Zathras is an essentially confirmed Psychic Warden, with the only exception being the unlikely case of Exterminator+Operative KaminaSquirtle.

Zathras: This is what I actually meant /\

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Zathras has displayed numerous self-preservation symptoms.

This is essentially a null-tell for Zathras from what I've seen of his playstyle.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:26:38 pm

This is what it boils down to: He thinks Zathras is scum, while I'm apparently town.
Explain how this makes any sense at all.

If Zathras bussed Pandarsenic. All your claim shows is that he's a Psychic Warden. I don't think it's likely, but it's entirely possible, particularly with it being Zathras and Pandarsenic.

And it doesn't clear you by any stretch of the imagination. He could easily be town and you scum and you confirm him in order to try to tie your alignment to his (as you seem to be doing your damnedest to do).

All in all, pretty much any combination of alignments is possible for the two of you (except if one of you is an Alien both have to be), but if either of you is scum, it's more likely to be you.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 12:04:07 am

Heh, served it's purpose well enough (but really, i got mixed since earlier there was a few post that must have been  from para 16 or something in the thread, so i kind of assumed. Sorry about that).

Are you claiming that you did it on purpose or not?

Because I *really* don't believe that you did it on purpose. I think you honestly got confused by the earlier posts (like the second half of this says), but then you seem to be trying to pretend you meant to do it (first half) to make yourself look better.

Quote from: Ottofar on November 30, 2010, 10:24:17 am

Yeah sorry for not posting yesterday. Had about ten minutes, so yeah.

Toaster's been quite quiet.

I think I'm gonna vote Kamina, for early stuff, and now going to: "Yeah, I was wrong. Yeah, I'm an idiot"-phase.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 12:13:18 am

... quote much longer than Ottofar's entire post ...

This is exactly why I'm voting for you right now. You're essentially ignoring anything that is happening in the actual game, quoting posts with no comments on them (we can all read, you need to explain yourself), and basically going for 'easy' lynches (regardless of if Kamina is scum or not, he's thrown up a lot of crap).

You haven't even come close to changing my mind about this.

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

Janus:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Argembarger:  If you're so concerned about a tiebreaker, why aren't you pressing the people who are in the tie?  With your unvote, that's Otto and Leaf.

I'm pretty sure you've got that bass-ackwards. He said that there's an extension, so we have 24 more hours to worry about a tied vote.

He has more time, sure, but he's not using it to question either of them.

He's new. I want to give him a chance to learn, particularly while there are scummier people about to lynch (Ottofar). He's been getting better at least.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 02:15:34 pm

Leafsnail and JTF, what do you think of the possibility of Mish/Dariush exterminatorship?

It's entirely possible, probable even unless we have a rather lucky Guardian about. But how does that answer help anyone? That would have been my answer regardless of any other factors.

Quote from: Zathras on November 30, 2010, 04:15:06 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 12:50:09 pm

Stun Orbs are indeed supposed to be chainless.

I'm surprised you answered this; I thought Web specifically worded it as a question you wouldn't answer to increase the WIFOM level of the conversation. But thanks; that should put it to rest at last.

The flavor is meant to give us enough information to figure out what was going on, not confuse us. This was an entirely rule related clarification. Still doesn't actually confirm if this actually happened or not. I'm glad that it was clarified.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 05:23:02 pm

Would help me see what are his ideas. Right now, except his weird love for Kamina,  we don't know anything on his plans. Really, if hes really outed as a warden, the scum wont take too long to get him. he has not died last night, so here are the classic probablitys :

It would also tell the Dopps who not to use for their nightkill. Which is far more important than knowing what his thoughts are.

In any case, all four of your possibilities are flawed:

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 05:23:02 pm

He is a warden, and he was protected form the exterminator. Possible, but not that likely.

The Exterminator would have absolutely no reason to kill a Warden, as they're immune. In fact, it's helpful on the off chance that the Warden could block the Dopps from killing the Exterminator. Exterminators have a hard enough time winning as it is.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 05:23:02 pm

he is a warden, and he was not protected, the exterminator has not acted. Only makes sense if Mish is the exterminator, else i doubt anybody would have waited to get rid of such a powerfull role.

The Exterminator would have tried to kill anyone else, see above. Warden is really not the most powerful role available, especially against an Exterminator.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 05:23:02 pm

he is a dopp, probly with Kamina. Explains why the dopp would leave him alone (duh) and again the exterminator could be Mish or just decided to take a break

This would mean that be bussed (set a scum buddy up to be killed) Pandarsenic. It's possible but unlikely (see above).

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 05:23:02 pm

He is the exterminator,  and decided not to kill, or hes been blocked. Blocked would be surprising to me, but just refraining to throw suspicion on Mish sounds devious enough for Zathy here. Again, a Zath-Kamina alien team would explain the block choice. In my opinion, choosing Jim would have had greater weight to me, considering he did most of the work on Pandar. And that Kamina is pretty much BFF with him.

Only possible if they are the Exterminator+Operative. If this is the case, then there should have been an Exterminator kill (unless we have a lucky Guardian) because he wouldn't have *had* to block to fake the PMs.

It's much more likely that Zathras is a Psychic Warden and probably town, that we know nothing more about KaminaSquirtle than that if he is a Dopp he didn't do the night kill last night, and that the Exterminator either didn't action or got Guardianed.

Short Version:
- Random chance puts the odds at 1.5 town deaths tonight (rather than the 2 Webadict was spouting)
- I suggested Zathras' PM exchange, but he got what I meant slightly wrong, doubt it was on purpose though
- Zathras is also self-preservative, null-tell for him
- Zathras is almost certainly a Psychic Warden
- Zathras is probably (although not confirmed) town, this doesn't mean anything about KaminaSquirtle
- I have no idea what is going though Mysteriousbluepuppet's mind
- Ottofar is ignoring reality, still think he's the primary lynch target
- Zathras should *not* publically claim who he's going to block tonight
- You really should read the Long Version, but it's long

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 06:35:19 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

Short Version:
- Random chance puts the odds at 1.5 town deaths tonight (rather than the 2 Webadict was spouting)
- I suggested Zathras' PM exchange, but he got what I meant slightly wrong, doubt it was on purpose though
- Zathras is also self-preservative, null-tell for him
- Zathras is almost certainly a Psychic Warden
- Zathras is probably (although not confirmed) town, this doesn't mean anything about KaminaSquirtle
- I have no idea what is going though Mysteriousbluepuppet's mind
- Ottofar is ignoring reality, still think he's the primary lynch target
- Zathras should *not* publically claim who he's going to block tonight
- You really should read the Long Version, but it's long

I think I'll create a shorter version, containing only content that is relevant to finding scum:
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Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 02:15:34 pm

Leafsnail and JTF, what do you think of the possibility of Mish/Dariush exterminatorship?

I think it's an intriguing theory, and it seems to fit nicely to the evidence.

There are other possible explanations.  Declaring someone as a guarenteed exterminator over something like this is just silly.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 06:39:49 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

Janus:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 29, 2010, 08:00:30 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 29, 2010, 05:05:38 pm

Argembarger:  If you're so concerned about a tiebreaker, why aren't you pressing the people who are in the tie?  With your unvote, that's Otto and Leaf.

I'm pretty sure you've got that bass-ackwards. He said that there's an extension, so we have 24 more hours to worry about a tied vote.

He has more time, sure, but he's not using it to question either of them.

He's new. I want to give him a chance to learn, particularly while there are scummier people about to lynch (Ottofar). He's been getting better at least.

Argembarger said he wanted to be treated like everybody else when replaced in. There's no reason to give him slack if he doesn't want any.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 06:35:19 pm

I think I'll create a shorter version, containing only content that is relevant to finding scum:
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Dude, that fucking hyphen is critical.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:42:51 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 06:39:49 pm

Argembarger said he wanted to be treated like everybody else when replaced in. There's no reason to give him slack if he doesn't want any.

I had for gotten that. I still think that Argembarger had the right idea and Toaster the wrong for the original point though. Even within the original first extension, the vote has already changed quite a bit. It wasn't something that would cause problems back then.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 06:39:49 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 06:35:19 pm

I think I'll create a shorter version, containing only content that is relevant to finding scum:
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Dude, that fucking hyphen is hypocritical.

Fixed that for you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 06:45:25 pm

Well, no part of that post says anything about who is scum, or who should be lynched.  You could skip it all without having lost anything.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 07:12:12 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 06:45:25 pm

Well, no part of that post says anything about who is scum, or who should be lynched.  You could skip it all without having lost anything.

Wrong. There's one contradicting a potential scum tell, another saying who I don't think is scum and who still could be (read the long version for more on KaminaSquirtle, which you obviously haven't), and the point on Ottofar is quite obviously who should be lynched.  Even beyond that, a quite solid percentage is game related in some form or another, the exception being the mathy bit of 1.5 townie deaths mostly being intended as humorous (even if true mathematically).

The part I think you just completely don't get is that if you ignore everything but what is obviously scummy / scumtells in general, you are going to lose against anyone but an obvious noobscum team.  Even semi-talented scum know how to hide scum tells. What you have to look at instead is how they're trying to help the town. Are they helping the town win or just helping the town? Essentially, it comes down to starting with everyone is scum and removing candidates (by feel or by lynch) until you have the scum.

I know this isn't the only playstyle out there, but it's mine.  If you're too narrow-minded not to see the value of it, then by all means keep tunneling me until you get a lynch.  I doubt it will do you any good today and I know for sure that it's not doing the town as a whole any good, but I doubt I'm going to be able to change your mind.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 07:23:16 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 07:12:12 pm

Wrong. There's one contradicting a potential scum tell, another saying who I don't think is scum and who still could be (read the long version for more on KaminaSquirtle, which you obviously haven't), and the point on Ottofar is quite obviously who should be lynched.

First is ridiculously weak since it isn't followed up with anything.  Second is basically "I don't know who to lynch out of you".  Third is "I think he's the primary lynch target", which is... well, I guess it's telling us "nothing's changed" once again.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 07:12:12 pm

Even beyond that, a quite solid percentage is game related in some form or another, the exception being the mathy bit of 1.5 townie deaths mostly being intended as humorous (even if true mathematically).

Pulling a statistic out of your ass isn't particularly helpful.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 07:12:12 pm

The part I think you just completely don't get is that if you ignore everything but what is obviously scummy / scumtells in general, you are going to lose against anyone but an obvious noobscum team.  Even semi-talented scum know how to hide scum tells. What you have to look at instead is how they're trying to help the town. Are they helping the town win or just helping the town? Essentially, it comes down to starting with everyone is scum and removing candidates (by feel or by lynch) until you have the scum.

Ok, do that rather than writing pages of fluff next time.  I mean, take the bolded sentence.  Did you help remove anyone in that post "by feel"?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 07:37:39 pm

Oh hey Janus, I don't think you got my idea on Zath exterminator. What i mean it,s that if Zathras is the exterminator, Hes better off NOT doing anything. No kill put suspicion on mish, wich give him at least another day clear. Really, i go on and on and on about it, since nobody seems to understand. Zathras is not a confirmed ANYTHING, all we got is Him and Kamina voice. May i remind you that they bot defend the other ( Kamina is being so damn obvious about it , it's not even funny) Townies dont do that, it's a scum job to protect a scum.

Funny thing, everyone is ok with an extemrinator, but the presence of an operative wont seem realist to you?  That the operative job, to give a chance for the exterminator. Its not hard to conceive that if we got one we can get the other.

Janus just open your damn eyes. You say that Kamina may be scum, and all that. So then why do you keep on protecting Zathras, who you are sure is confirmed of maybe the most possible scum right now ? have you lost your mind?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 07:51:28 pm

You're imbuing Zathras with near impossible levels of foresight and wisdom. You're suggesting that Zathras chose not to kill last night because he knew that Mish was not going to return to post. How would he know that? And why didn't Zathras bring it up if that was his plan?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 07:59:44 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 07:23:16 pm

First is ridiculously weak since it isn't followed up with anything.  Second is basically "I don't know who to lynch out of you".  Third is "I think he's the primary lynch target", which is... well, I guess it's telling us "nothing's changed" once again.

- The entire point is that there's nothing to follow up with on that particular attack.
- I know not to lynch Zathras and I think that it's entirely possible that KaminaSquirtle is scum
- Nothing has changed, Ottofar is still scummy.

Quote from: Leafsnail on November 30, 2010, 07:23:16 pm

Ok, do that rather than writing pages of fluff next time.  I mean, take the bolded sentence.  Did you help remove anyone in that post "by feel"?

Yes.  Webadict and Zathras are more likely town.  Mysteriousbluepuppet is more obviously noobish, but probably not scum. Ottofar is just as scummy/useless as ever.  KaminaSquirtle looks scummier than Day 1 or 2.

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Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 07:37:39 pm

Oh hey Janus, I don't think you got my idea on Zath exterminator. What i mean it,s that if Zathras is the exterminator, Hes better off NOT doing anything. No kill put suspicion on mish, wich give him at least another day clear. Really, i go on and on and on about it, since nobody seems to understand. Zathras is not a confirmed ANYTHING, all we got is Him and Kamina voice. May i remind you that they bot defend the other ( Kamina is being so damn obvious about it , it's not even funny) Townies dont do that, it's a scum job to protect a scum.

He's not confirmed. That's completely true. It's just that there's only two possibilties:

- Zathras and KaminaSquirtle are Exterminator and Operative (not necessarily in that order) and the Exterminator didn't nightkill for the WIFOM
- Zathras is a Psychic Warden

The second is far more likely (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor) with the absent Mish (or even someone else that just forgot to send in a night action) being the Exterminator.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 07:37:39 pm

Funny thing, everyone is ok with an extemrinator, but the presence of an operative wont seem realist to you?  That the operative job, to give a chance for the exterminator. Its not hard to conceive that if we got one we can get the other.

But if Zathras and KaminaSquirtle actually are Exterminator and Operative, then they're taking quite a risk.  If either of them dies, we know immediately what the other is and we'll lynch them. 

Heck, it actually makes sense for the Dopps to night kill one of them and do our dirty work for us because the know that if they one they kill is an Alien, we'll spend a lynch on the other and otherwise, they have a perfect target to kill/get WIFOM from.  Of course, if I thought of it, I'm sure one of them did, so who knows what they'll actually do now.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 07:37:39 pm

Janus just open your damn eyes. You say that Kamina may be scum, and all that. So then why do you keep on protecting Zathras, who you are sure is confirmed of maybe the most possible scum right now ? have you lost your mind?

No. I happen to think that it's more likely that Zathras is Psychic Warden. If that's the case, there are better lynch targets for today, even a Dopp Psychic Warden isn't that problematic.  Ottofar is good to lynch, KaminaSquirtle is scummy for trying to tie his alignment to Zathras', I would love to see Leafsnail hang just because he's being annoying, and Darius is a decently likely Exterminator.

(To those without a sarcasm detector: I don't actually think we should lynch Leafsnail because he's being annoying. I just wish that we could.)

PPE: Ninja'd in part by Jim Groovester, so it goes.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 08:13:41 pm

Actually no.

Possibilitys

The exterminator is Mish, did no kill due to absence ( all is good, Zath is not the exterminator)

Exterminator is not Zathras: Why would he not kill anybody? No good reason to refrain since all the suspicion was on Zath.  They are not blocked by wardens

Exterminator is zathras : There we got some choice.

 He tried to kill someone but got blocked, unlikely, else the guardien implicated could have claimed (if he want to do it anonymously, i can transmit the message). I also have very good reason to believe no guardian was involved.

Or he simply did nothing. Considering that he need to leave home to exterminate someone, he could have been followed if he left home. That would have been more than enough to hang him, since warden always stay at home. Again, thats pretty likely, if i was a reporter, thats the first thing id have done. (if you wonder, i am not)

So 2 more likely choices : Mish or Zath.

Mish is the extemrinator. I'm wrong and misguided. Sad, but i can deal with it.

zathras is the exterminator : Would at least explain a bit of the weird thing we got between Kamina and Zath. Would also explain the scumtells of Kamina way back day 1. And the ultra jumpy reactions, and the chainsaw defence. And zathras curious way of not talking about Kamina, not questionning him seriously or anything.

Again, my solution aint something hard, kamina as been a drag since so long, and dropping tell like it was going out of style. Lynch and check. Flip Dopp or alien ? Well, we got 2 for the price of one, chaps. Not it ? Not a big loss for all i'm concerned.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 08:34:35 pm

Hardly think it's a risk, Just basic human minds. Mafia is biased in town favor since it's way harder to keep lying for a long time. Theres always cracks in a story, and the longer the story hold the more they show. back day 1. You guys dont question enough his choice of Kamina to block. There were others ( many of them) that he could have blocked. He chose KaminaSquirtle, why?  The guy that should have been lynced day 1 if Shadowdump did not pull a massive KILL ME sign.  Zathras is experienced, he should know not to thrust a possible scum\noobtown with such an important thing. Again, i emphasise that he could have just blocked Jim. Jim got Pandar hanged, and more importantly hes the one that STARTED the investiagtion. I've never seen a mafia selling their own members, so Jim word as at least SOME credibility. That Kamina is riding the Zath train so hard just tells even more.

Also fun, no word from zath about kamina. No 'stop budying me' . no ' stop defending me'. He just goes on to respond on web, but noting else. Really Zath, you got no opinion on kamina after all the time that passed ? On his pre-emptive defending of himself ?( you were implicated in that one too, how weird). Since that world is so hard for you poor little wardens, should you not at least start working to earn it ?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 08:37:36 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 08:34:35 pm

Hardly think it's a risk, Just basic human minds. Mafia is biased in town favor since it's way harder to keep lying for a long time. Theres always cracks in a story, and the longer the story hold the more they show. You guys dont question enough his choice of Kamina to block. There were others ( many of them) that he could have blocked. He chose KaminaSquirtle, why?  The guy that should have been lynced day 1 if Shadowdump did not pull a massive KILL ME sign.  Zathras is experienced, he should know not to thrust a possible scum\noobtown with such an important thing hell, he himself called Kamina noobtown. Again, i emphasise that he could have just blocked Jim. Jim got Pandar hanged, and more importantly hes the one that STARTED the investiagtion. I've never seen a mafia selling their own members, so Jim word as at least SOME credibility. That Kamina is riding the Zath train so hard just tells even more. Why do you guys are so close to each others?

Also fun, no word from zath about kamina. No 'stop budying me' . no ' stop defending me'. He just goes on to respond on web, but noting else. Really Zath, you got no opinion on kamina after all the time that passed ? On his pre-emptive defending of himself ?( you were implicated in that one too, how weird). Since that world is so hard for you poor little wardens, should you not at least start working to earn it ?

Reworked the text, should learn to proofread before posting.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 08:55:55 pm

I didn't get Pandarsenic lynched. I had nothing to do with that. Zathras revealed he blocked Pandarsenic, and Pandarsenic's lukewarm defense of himself sealed his fate.

I have no idea what made you think I got Pandarsenic lynched or that I started the investigation.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 09:10:38 pm

I have  a distinct memory that you were the one to have  caught Pandar in a lie about his No Night Action, and that from that point it started until Pandar got lynched. Ill need to do a re-read, i guess

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - 2 Replacement Needed
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 09:22:23 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 20, 2010, 12:25:53 am

[citation needed]

Not what i was searching, but i still like it. Only a bit more weight that zath is not what you guys want to believe.


also, checking back, pandar killed himself with the no night actions, supposedly caused by Zath psychic wardens. Thing is, Pandar described alien flavor and Zath just followed it like it was normal.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on November 30, 2010, 10:22:24 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Like I said before: Zathras had no need to warn the victim of his roleblock about it. Doing so seems to only cover his own hide, as usually.

Completely disagree with you on this. He needed to PM someone who he would roleblock so that they could confirm that he did it (which was a good chunk of the point). It would have been helpful if he hadn't blocked the same person he PMed, but I don't think that was clear enough in my post yesterday. As it is, it works out. Zathras is an essentially confirmed Psychic Warden, with the only exception being the unlikely case of Exterminator+Operative KaminaSquirtle.

Zathras: This is what I actually meant /\

Yes, I misunderstood you. It does make more sense that way. But it worked out, so I'm fine with the results.

Quote from: JTF

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 29, 2010, 11:26:38 pm

This is what it boils down to: He thinks Zathras is scum, while I'm apparently town.
Explain how this makes any sense at all.

If Zathras bussed Pandarsenic. All your claim shows is that he's a Psychic Warden. I don't think it's likely, but it's entirely possible, particularly with it being Zathras and Pandarsenic.

While I see what you mean, there's an additional requirement: I would have had not only to bus Pandarsenic, but also to prevent a Dopp kill night one. Even if Pandar and I were sufficiently cunning to do the bussing/warding thing as a strategy, preventing the night kill would be a step too far, wouldn't it? We're talking about not just bussing a dopp, but saving a townie too. That'd be too expensive a gambit for the dopps regardless of results, yes?



Also, MBP: dude, you come in a week later, and fail to understand what has happened so far. A handful of comments below, but the short version is: you're nuts.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 08:13:41 pm

Possibilitys
The exterminator is Mish, did no kill due to absence ( all is good, Zath is not the exterminator)
Exterminator is zathras : There we got some choice.
Exterminator is not Zathras: Why would he not kill anybody? No good reason to refrain since all the suspicion was on Zath.  They are not blocked by wardens

They are blocked by guardians, which could have been the case. And they may have chosen not to kill precisely because all the suspicion was on me, thus increasing the WIFOM chances. These could have been particularly good strategies for Webadict the Exterminator, since he was already pushing for me, and the wine is stroooong with him. (see my previous post for details on that)

Quote from: MBP

He tried to kill someone but got blocked, unlikely, else the guardien implicated could have claimed (if he want to do it anonymously, i can transmit the message). I also have very good reason to believe no guardian was involved.

This is moronic. For a guardian, claiming should be the last thing on his mind; they would be an immediate target for both scum teams, and he can't protect himself. It's one of the most valuable roles for the town to have, and to remain hidden. Your volunteering for him to claim to you is VERY scummy.... why, it's almost like you want to know who the guardian is... no ulterior motives? Why should he, or we, believe you don't wish the guardian any harm, so they should claim to you? Also, what are your "very good reasons to believe no guardian was involved"? How about sharing those reasons with us? What do you have to hide?

Quote from: MBP

Again, my solution aint something hard, kamina as been a drag since so long, and dropping tell like it was going out of style. Lynch and check. Flip Dopp or alien ? Well, we got 2 for the price of one, chaps. Not it ? Not a big loss for all i'm concerned.

If we lynch Kamina and he flips Dopp, that doesn't mean anything about my alignment (or the other way around). He could be a dopp trying to ingratiate to town by being helpful, as has been said by others.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 08:34:35 pm

back day 1. You guys dont question enough his choice of Kamina to block. There were others ( many of them) that he could have blocked. He chose KaminaSquirtle, why?  [...] Jim got Pandar hanged, and more importantly hes the one that STARTED the investiagtion. I've never seen a mafia selling their own members, so Jim word as at least SOME credibility.

This shows you are either lying or not reading the game. First: it was day two, not day one. This is important, because Second: I got Pandar lynched. Not only that, I blocked him on night one, saving a townie's life, and then during the next day got him lynched. Jim (and Kamina!) spent almost the entire day two yelling "Zathras is an Alien!" at the top of their lungs; going as far as voting me instead of Pandarsenic until near the end of day when Toaster, Person, and others chimed in with the voice of reason: hang the dopp (duh). If you doubt this is the case, start rereading again starting here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1734272#msg1734272).

Go ahead and reread, and if you come back and haven't changed your mind, I'll have to consider moving my vote from Web to you, as you a) were scummy to begin with, what with the lurking and all; b) are being wilfully obtuse about interpreting the facts as happened; and c) have made three suggestions that are ridiculously bad for town: that a guardian should claim to you, that a warden should announce his block, and that people should violate rules by posting mod's PMs.

I was pretty sure you were scum before. I'm damned sure now. In fact, I'll go ahead and Vote MysteriousBluePuppet now, though if you show differently before the end of the day I may go back to Web... it's not like we have a shortage of scum. We'll see.

Also, please answer this question: what are your "very good reasons to believe no guardian was involved"?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 10:30:42 pm

Hey.

I've got an idea.

How about everybody stop using the lack of an Exterminator kill as evidence for their own pet theory about who it is? Because that's what everybody's doing. And it's all pretty much bullshit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 10:43:10 pm

Because i dont think theres more than 1 guardian , and i know one, and i know he did no such blocks ? Thus if there is not 2 guardians, extie failed to act.

And also, i'm not saying you are dopp, what i'm worried is exterminator. I dont think a exterminator would be against killing dopps. I also think that the no kill may well have been caused by alien techs. Ill have to go re-read those.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 11:29:46 pm

Janus:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:42:51 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 06:39:49 pm

Argembarger said he wanted to be treated like everybody else when replaced in. There's no reason to give him slack if he doesn't want any.

I had for gotten that. I still think that Argembarger had the right idea and Toaster the wrong for the original point though. Even within the original first extension, the vote has already changed quite a bit. It wasn't something that would cause problems back then.

I still found it odd that he mentioned the tiebreaker vote, then completely ignored the two people tied.  I don't think it was terribly scummy- probably more lazy than anything.  His last post was definitely scummier, though.

MBP:  Your logic is unsound tonight.  You should probably fact-check your posts before you post them.

Also, the only ways you could know this if you were one, detective-found one, or were scum with one.  Don't claim if it's the first two.

Meph:  Does a Guardian-saved person know that a Guardian saved them?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 11:32:36 pm

Yes, a person protected by a guard style role will generally know that they were protected. They won't know who protected them, usually, but it depends on the type of guard.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 11:38:07 pm

That's only for successful protects, and protections that are unneeded go unnoticed, right?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 11:38:43 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 11:38:07 pm

That's only for successful protects, and protections that are unneeded go unnoticed, right?

Correct.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on November 30, 2010, 11:50:23 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

Webadict:

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 26, 2010, 08:45:43 pm

Hmm.  Zath's clearly not a dopp, and I tend to buy his warden claim.  I have trouble seeing a Kamina/Zath exty-op combo, so I'll have to ponder Kamina's case.  In the mean time...

Ottofar:

Quote from: Ottofar on November 22, 2010, 11:45:47 am

Well.
I guess Pandar might be a dopp. Not too sure.
Zathras, as stated, is probably an alien.
I'm gonna go sleep.

This post demands explanation.
While you're explaining it, please tell me if this explanation makes sense to you:  You're an Alien Survivor who used Pandar's obvscumminess as an opportunity to come out to the scum team so you can help them win at LYLO.

Mish hasn't posted since the 19th, and probably needs to be replaced.

MBP has no such excuse.  You're willfully ignoring this thread since you were just on the forum.  Get in here or die.

This continues why I believe you to be a Doppelganger. It's these subtle phrases you throw in. It unnerves me. Something about you just reeks of scum.

I believe you didn't say anything about me, either, while you were pointing out people that weren't here. Why is this?

I'm not sure what you mean by "subtle phrases" here.  As for the last question, see this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740063#msg1740063) and my quoted one.  The four of you on that list I specifically wanted to hear from, and you had posted right then.  Otto gave his crap post, MBP posted nothing, and Mish is AWOL.  I didn't get back to your lack of posting until later.

I meant at the beginning of the post. You decided to post "I have trouble seeing a Kamina/Zath exty-op combo, so I'll have to ponder Kamina's case." I just don't like it. If you have problems seeing a KZ team, then what does that have to do with Kamina? It should deal with their interaction, if anything.

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

What makes you think there could be a Scientist?  There weren't grabs either of the first two nights.

Mad Scientist. Xenozoologist is the new term from the old Alien Scientist. I'm hip and with it.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 11:08:52 am

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

Alright, then. If Meph says Stun Orbs are Chainless, I can assume that Zathras is a Psychic Warden. I just don't want to take my chance, as that was both several games ago and with a Stun Bomb.

If that's the case, then Mish is likely the Exterminator. Now, if THAT'S the case, then we don't have to worry about the Exterminator, but if someone was protected from a kill last Night, then claiming it now would be nice.

Otherwise, I think it can be assumed to about a 99% accuracy that Mish is the Exterminator.

Ok.  Mish being exterminator makes a lot of sense.  I wonder why Mish's absence/ the lack of exterminator kill+ hasn't been brought up before?

Nobody thought of it, probably. When you're requiring a replacement, no one pays attention to you.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 11:08:52 am

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

The lylo thing is simply stating that we will be unable to lynch all scum should there be a mislynch and 2 town kills tonight. If that happens, we'll be unable to kill the Exterminator, unless Zathras can block a Dopp kill again, or there's a Guardian or Guard.

Ok, that makes more sense.  So in that case we would have to hope for some exterminator/dopp crossfire.

I'd rather we lynch the Exterminator. The problem with the Exterminator is that he becomes a pro-Town player once the Dopps + Exty = Town. I used this as a nice defense in Paranormal 3 to stop me from getting lynched when I had a "Kill" track on me. (I managed to trick the Telepath, who was trying to trick ME! I have to admit, that was an excellent attempt, and an even better counter.) Of course, I was a Doppelganger back then, but the same thing happened with Solifuge a couple games ago.

If they get to there, they'll work with the Town until the end of the game, where they'll backstab at the last minute. And the Doppelgangers don't WANT to kill the Exterminator because they usually lose a kill. However, the Exterminator DOES want to kill the Doppelgangers. Just not all of them until he knows he's won.

Believe me. I did the math rather well. I would've done it during P4, but I screwed it up. Unfortunate, as I'd love to be the only Exterminator to ever win.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 01:18:24 pm

webadict, you're talking a lot about who needs to be lynched but you still haven't voted anybody.

Right, sorry. I was still swinging back and forth about Zathras and Mish. Or whoever has just replaced Mish. However, I think that he's the Exterminator.

Quote from: Dariush on November 30, 2010, 02:03:36 pm

I'm also for extension since I have a loooot more to read and consolidate my thoughts about all this...

Yeah, you probably should've picked a smaller game. And you'll have to deal with me, I'm afraid.

Quote from: Argembarger on November 30, 2010, 03:29:47 pm

And then my question for Dariush, well, yeah. Webadict's over there claiming 99% certainty that Dariush is the Exterminator. It's obvious that he's gonna have to deal with that soon. I figured I might as well phrase it as a formal question.

I was claiming certainty so long as Zathras is not the Exterminator. Who's the Exterminator, then, Argembarger? Just because I said so doesn't make it okay for you to attack him for it. I'm the one that's attacking him. Using my intuition as an attack on him is really stupid of you.

Quote from: Zathras on November 30, 2010, 04:15:06 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 12:50:09 pm

Stun Orbs are indeed supposed to be chainless.

I'm surprised you answered this; I thought Web specifically worded it as a question you wouldn't answer to increase the WIFOM level of the conversation. But thanks; that should put it to rest at last.

Quote from: Meph

Although...that gives me an idea for a new Alien Tech...

Oh gods no... life's already hard enough for a poor warden. This game should serve as a case study for why wardens should be careful about claiming: they will spend the next week battling "you are alien!" charges even after saving a townie life and hanging a dopp.

Only the Exterminator can grab the Camo (right?). It's more of a boost to existing Tech this is sufficiently underpowered anyhow.

Quote from: Zathras on November 30, 2010, 04:15:06 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 08:00:48 am

Alright, then. If Meph says Stun Orbs are Chainless, I can assume that Zathras is a Psychic Warden. If that's the case, then Mish is likely the Exterminator. Now, if THAT'S the case, then we don't have to worry about the Exterminator, but if someone was protected from a kill last Night, then claiming it now would be nice. Otherwise, I think it can be assumed to about a 99% accuracy that Mish is the Exterminator.

I don't buy this. The only thing that may point to Mish being the exterminator is that he was away during the night when there was no exterminator kill. I think the guardian option is just as likely. Also, no one can claim to have been protected, dumbass, because you don't know that you've been protected by a guardian (only an Observant Guard would do that, but would have died). Are you asking the guardian to claim? How would that not backfire?

Wrong. People that are attacked in this game get a message saying so. At least, that's how previous games were. So, who's dumb now?

Observant Guards only tell the name of the attacker to the person they were guarding. All players being guarded will receive a message if they would have been attacked. It's an extra feature in this game.

So, unless you have a better excuse, then I can safely say I'm right.

Quote from: Zathras on November 30, 2010, 04:15:06 pm

Quote from: web

And the Medium thing was an aside. If there's no Medium, it can't be proven. Whatever.

This, plus the guardian bit, show you are spinning WIFOMy tales to distract the town. The chances of there being a third medium are negligible, and you know it.

I think that you are going all out "KILL THE EXTERMINATOR" because you are the exterminator, and your leading the chase for him would implicitly clear you. You know there's a guardian, who protected your target last night, and decided that the best way to obscure the fact would be to resuscitate the WIFOM about me being it, and tech choices, orbs, and whatnot. Or at least get him to claim, or throw the blame on the absent Mish. The amount of wine you've spewed over your last few posts is nauseating.

No. I'm still convinced you are scum; your relentless wine spewing over the exterminator makes me think you are scum of the alien variety, rather than dopp, and thus you should hang today. I'd block you tonight, but if you are the exterminator, as I suspect, then you would be immune to it.

Right.

Except for one small fact. The player who's protected gets a message. I have gotten them enough times to know this. (What can I say? I'm popular.) Sooo... that means if I was the Exterminator, I'd be taking one heck of a chance. Unless I got the Intel, but that's WIFOM.

I wasn't planning on a third Medium. I was saying if there was one, they could confirm my beliefs. It makes more than just a little sense, and you know it. PLUS, I'd like to note that you were BLAMING the death of Mr.Person on me. If I were the Exterminator, then that simply couldn't've happened, now could it? So, what is it? Am I a Doppelganger? An Exterminator? A Survivor? Or will you just keeping pushing the point until I'm dead and prove I'm Town? Because, really, it's getting a little old.

Oh, I'm sorry. I was just watching your illusions fall apart. If you've got nothing smart to say, then it's usually better to keep your mouth shut.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

And I thought I posted long posts. Webadict, yours are a little bit on the crazy (long) side.

I felt a little bad about my prior absence. I tried to make up just a little.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

Up to 3 town deaths. Even assuming that we mislynch today and that the Exterminator is the only Alien about, the average number of town deaths (competely chosen at random) tonight is only ~1.5 rather than two. (Yes, the math really doesn't help, but it was amusing to work out.

Yes, up to 3 deaths. Prepare for the worst. You know that there will probably be 3 deaths tomorrow, and Murphy's Law states they'll be Town. Even your 1.5 is too high of a number.

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Like I said before: Zathras had no need to warn the victim of his roleblock about it. Doing so seems to only cover his own hide, as usually.

Completely disagree with you on this. He needed to PM someone who he would roleblock so that they could confirm that he did it (which was a good chunk of the point). It would have been helpful if he hadn't blocked the same person he PMed, but I don't think that was clear enough in my post yesterday. As it is, it works out. Zathras is an essentially confirmed Psychic Warden, with the only exception being the unlikely case of Exterminator+Operative KaminaSquirtle.
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Right. But, I was covering all the bases. Even a Kamina+Zathras doesn't make any sense anymore, as Pandarsenic probably did get Chains and just lied in order to WIFOM the Town.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

Zathras: This is what I actually meant /\

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

Zathras has displayed numerous self-preservation symptoms.

This is essentially a null-tell for Zathras from what I've seen of his playstyle.

How does that make it okay? It doesn't.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:27:13 pm

Short Version:
- Random chance puts the odds at 1.5 town deaths tonight (rather than the 2 Webadict was spouting)

I'm just going to go ahead and say it's 2 right now. Future Web will not be surprised.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 10:30:42 pm

Hey.

I've got an idea.

How about everybody stop using the lack of an Exterminator kill as evidence for their own pet theory about who it is? Because that's what everybody's doing. And it's all pretty much bullshit.

A'ight. Except the Exterminator is kiiiinda important.

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 30, 2010, 11:32:36 pm

Yes, a person protected by a guard style role will generally know that they were protected. They won't know who protected them, usually, but it depends on the type of guard.

Zathras can suck some lemons.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 12:14:51 am

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 11:50:23 pm

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

I'm not sure what you mean by "subtle phrases" here.  As for the last question, see this post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740063#msg1740063) and my quoted one.  The four of you on that list I specifically wanted to hear from, and you had posted right then.  Otto gave his crap post, MBP posted nothing, and Mish is AWOL.  I didn't get back to your lack of posting until later.

I meant at the beginning of the post. You decided to post "I have trouble seeing a Kamina/Zath exty-op combo, so I'll have to ponder Kamina's case." I just don't like it. If you have problems seeing a KZ team, then what does that have to do with Kamina? It should deal with their interaction, if anything.

That was mostly in reference to the fact that Kamina was my top scumpick prior to that post, and I wanted a chance to think about it.  At this point, I say Kamina is scummy, but Ottofar is scummier.  If Otto cleans up his act, my vote's going back to Kamina.

Quote from: webadict

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 10:43:51 am

Quote from: webadict on November 29, 2010, 09:23:38 pm

There's 3 Dopps and at least one anti-Town alien. That's 4+/11, meaning we have to lynch scum today. If we mislynch, this leads to 3 town deaths, with the possibility of a Scientist kill, leaving us with 4+/7-8.

What makes you think there could be a Scientist?  There weren't grabs either of the first two nights.

Mad Scientist. Xenozoologist is the new term from the old Alien Scientist. I'm hip and with it.

Gotcha.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 12:29:47 am

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 11:50:23 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 10:30:42 pm

Hey.

I've got an idea.

How about everybody stop using the lack of an Exterminator kill as evidence for their own pet theory about who it is? Because that's what everybody's doing. And it's all pretty much bullshit.

A'ight. Except the Exterminator is kiiiinda important.

Well of course he is. But nobody's going to track him down by filling in the blanks of what happened last night with whoever they want for whatever reason they want.

Yours the only speculation that's at all reasonable: the Exterminator did not kill because he was not available. Any other theory about people going for WIFOM is just stupid, because the Exterminator would be better off killing than he would be trying to convince everybody to go for a lynch solely based on WIFOM.

That said, I'm not going to lynch Dariush before he says anything. That's just impolite.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: webadict on December 01, 2010, 07:58:20 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 12:29:47 am

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 11:50:23 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 10:30:42 pm

Hey.

I've got an idea.

How about everybody stop using the lack of an Exterminator kill as evidence for their own pet theory about who it is? Because that's what everybody's doing. And it's all pretty much bullshit.

A'ight. Except the Exterminator is kiiiinda important.

Well of course he is. But nobody's going to track him down by filling in the blanks of what happened last night with whoever they want for whatever reason they want.

Yours the only speculation that's at all reasonable: the Exterminator did not kill because he was not available. Any other theory about people going for WIFOM is just stupid, because the Exterminator would be better off killing than he would be trying to convince everybody to go for a lynch solely based on WIFOM.

That said, I'm not going to lynch Dariush before he says anything. That's just impolite.

He can have a chance to talk. He's just gotta come up with something big.

And I came up with two possibilities: Guardian protect or Mish unavailable. The third option (not choosing to kill) has no more reason to be explored, mostly because nothing anyone would do would make any sense. Even for WIFOM. And nobody seems crazy enough to try it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 08:16:17 am

All riiiight, I'm kinda up to date with events.

First of all, about Mish (and then me) being Exterminator - Mish's last post was three days before the end of Day 2, so it would make sense for actual exterminator NOT to kill anyone and claim that lack of kill was due to Mish's absence (yes, I know about WIFOM it implies but isn't it better for Exterminator not to kill anyone for one night at the cost of safety from lynching and ability to kill the next one when odds are in his favor). Second, Zathras has pretty much proved himself a townie (if I'm wrong and missed some vital piece of information, please correct me), so anyone trying to frame him isn't likely to be pro-town. That being said, webadict has pointed that his suspicions swing between him and me, so I would say he must be the one who framed Mish if my first guess is correct.

Sorry for pretty weak accusations, but I'll improve them once I learn about the current state of affairs first-hand.

P.S:
So, webadict posted right before me:

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 07:58:20 am

And I came up with two possibilities: Guardian protect or Mish unavailable. The third option (not choosing to kill) has no more reason to be explored, mostly because nothing anyone would do would make any sense. Even for WIFOM. And nobody seems crazy enough to try it.

That seems to fit with my guess - he framed Mish and then directly declared that the possibility of him not killing anyone is impossible, thus lifting suspicions from himself.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 08:54:29 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:19:01 pm

Org is right, for once. Since we're still thick in the RVS there's no reason for you, KaminaSquirtle, to be coming out and defending JTF for whatever he's said and done. So why are you buddying him?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:33:07 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 09, 2010, 07:53:31 pm

And a policy lynch doesn't make the day any shorter.

Not timewise, but it makes us short town.  Scum should be lynched, not town, no matter how stupid.  That is the point of town.
Unvote.
Vote JanusTwoface.

At first.

Then WIFoM:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 09, 2010, 08:43:03 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 09, 2010, 08:36:08 pm

It's a shame, I was about to extend you some noob slack but then you go and do something violently reactionary like this.

Whyyy are you voting for JTF? You were just explaining away his actions a minute ago.

Because I was thinking in the context of BM.  What he's doing seems different now.  I understand it from a new perspective.  He's suggesting a lynch simply because of a player's rep, with no regards to losing a chance to lynch scum.  I can unvote whenever the hell I want.  I want answers out of the fucker.

I'm done being wishy-washy, as you pointed out I was.  Are you seriously suggesting I would be so stupid as to bus my scumbuddy this early just because of a small accusation?
Goddamn, I'm not that stupid.

This thing Toaster pointed out. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704958#msg1704958)

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on November 30, 2010, 12:13:18 am

...

And these, "yes webadict. Whatever you say webadict."-things.  They're aiming to please.

Also, I have several exams in this and the following week. Tomorrow is one. I'd do a longer post, but my grades are slowly falling.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 08:57:13 am

So, Kamina's been trying to please too much.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: webadict on December 01, 2010, 10:18:45 am

@Dariush: Be comforted by the fact that your lynching will be almost entirely Mish's fault. Almost. For now, your defense wittles down to: "It's him or me," to which I will reply: "Since when?" But, that's beside the fact. You, however, just gave away yourself as the Exterminator, and I will explain why when I'm home. Feel free to prepare an adequate defense in that time.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 10:27:24 am

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 10:18:45 am

@Dariush: Be comforted by the fact that your lynching will be almost entirely Mish's fault. Almost. For now, your defense wittles down to: "It's him or me," to which I will reply: "Since when?" But, that's beside the fact. You, however, just gave away yourself as the Exterminator, and I will explain why when I'm home. Feel free to prepare an adequate defense in that time.

I should have just said 'I am not the exterminator' and that would be better than actually placing evidence in front of me? Also, accusing me immediatly after I voted for you with only explanation being (intentional) misinterpretation of what I said... doesn't seem right.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 1
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 01, 2010, 10:57:05 am

Seeing as my vote is still on webadict, but I don't think him scum, I'll unvote.

Quote from: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 08:54:29 am

And these, "yes webadict. Whatever you say webadict."-things.  They're aiming to please.

Also, I have several exams in this and the following week. Tomorrow is one. I'd do a longer post, but my grades are slowly falling.

No.  Webadict has been making sense.  If he's making sense, there's no reason not to agree with him.  You say I'm trying to please, but then why did I go so crazy on Web at first, and, earlier, Zathras?  Please explain how I was trying to please there.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 08:16:17 am

That seems to fit with my guess - he framed Mish and then directly declared that the possibility of him not killing anyone is impossible, thus lifting suspicions from himself.

What?  So this whole thing was some crazy master plan?  If webadict was exterminator and killed someone, I doubt anyone would jump to the conclusion that he was exterminator.  It makes much more sense for there to be no kill because Mish wasn't logged on.

Let me tell you, making large attacks in no way lifts suspicions from yourself.  Webadict certainly knows this.

Your argument is bursting with WIFOM, Dariush.

To be honest though, I was going to vote you anyway.  Since I know Zathras is not the exterminator, I conclude that you being the exterminator is the only likely possibility.

Quote from: webadict

I'd rather we lynch the Exterminator. The problem with the Exterminator is that he becomes a pro-Town player once the Dopps + Exty = Town. I used this as a nice defense in Paranormal 3 to stop me from getting lynched when I had a "Kill" track on me. (I managed to trick the Telepath, who was trying to trick ME! I have to admit, that was an excellent attempt, and an even better counter.) Of course, I was a Doppelganger back then, but the same thing happened with Solifuge a couple games ago.

If they get to there, they'll work with the Town until the end of the game, where they'll backstab at the last minute. And the Doppelgangers don't WANT to kill the Exterminator because they usually lose a kill. However, the Exterminator DOES want to kill the Doppelgangers. Just not all of them until he knows he's won.

Believe me. I did the math rather well. I would've done it during P4, but I screwed it up. Unfortunate, as I'd love to be the only Exterminator to ever win.

Of course I'd rather lynch the exterminator.  What I meant by 'in that case' is that we lynched a townie today.

Ok, I would say more but I'm out of time.  Hopefully I'll have time to post again today.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:16:02 am

@Kamina:
So, being logical doesn't work with you. Well then, where did you get the whole idea that I am Exterminator with the exception of coincidental absence of Mish in the night? If you call logic WIFOM, there's no way to prove I'm not exterminator, SS or a dinosaur for that matter. You are just hellbent on lynching me, which confirms my earlier suspicions on you being in team with webadict (similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes, etc.).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:21:29 am

Also, you unvoted webadict right after you saw me voting for him. Something tells me that you don't actually want him lynched, you just show off that you voted for him and it was just a coincidence that you happened to be in minority...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 11:32:54 am

On DarMish the possible exterminator:

It seems we're working on what is, at best, circumstantial evidence.  There wasn't a kill last night when Mish wasn't around to post.  That's certainly a possibility, but it's not the only possibility.  Potentially, there's a dopp guardian who protected another dopp, and they're both keeping their mouths shut, or it could have been a WIFOM based no-kill (I doubt that.)

That said... Dariush isn't doing a good job of defending himself.  Both his votes are serious OMGUS votes.  He's acting scummy, and his only posted suspicions are against those who have recently voted him, but I'm not sold on him being the exty just yet.

Dariush:  If you're not the exterminator, who is?  Who do you think is a dopp?

As for myself, I'm thinking it's one of the scummy people who are out there, with my current guess being Ottofar.  His explanation of his vote on Kamina (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764374#msg1764374) is a regurgitation of the arguments of others, even going to quote the reasons of others as to why he's voting.  He's trying to hide in the background, and it's failing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Wait-wait-wait, WHAT?
First of all, why isn't anybody even considering the possibility of exterminator not killing anyone, thus framing Mish?
Second, my vote on webadict was not based on OMGUS but instead on the facts I gathered - for all I know, Web is either the exterminator, or a dopp who wishes to pull a vote on a new player who probably won't put much of a defense because of not being familiar with the game.
Third, as I said, I suspect a team of Web-Karmina (the reasons being similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes and the second immediatly changing his vote to re-balance the scales of voting). Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 11:58:45 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

They're both perceptive and correct?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 12:19:11 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 11:58:45 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

They're both perceptive and correct?

And everyone else who doesn't employ their line of thinking is dumb and wrong?

Also, how would you explain Karmina backuping Web when he was getting dangerously close to lynch?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 12:21:08 pm

Sorry Toast, but Kamina is weaselly since he almost got lynched back day 1. Right now all he does is align himself with any alpha dog he can find to protect his hide.

As for the zath thing, i re-read. I admit to have passed some good info, but i'll still keep vigilant.  Also, i havent got any feedback about you and Kamina relationship, and that's not boding well.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 12:39:50 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 08:16:17 am

All riiiight, I'm kinda up to date with events.

First of all, about Mish (and then me) being Exterminator - Mish's last post was three days before the end of Day 2, so it would make sense for actual exterminator NOT to kill anyone and claim that lack of kill was due to Mish's absence (yes, I know about WIFOM it implies but isn't it better for Exterminator not to kill anyone for one night at the cost of safety from lynching and ability to kill the next one when odds are in his favor). Second, Zathras has pretty much proved himself a townie (if I'm wrong and missed some vital piece of information, please correct me), so anyone trying to frame him isn't likely to be pro-town.

If I understand the situation correctly, Zathras has proven himself to be a psychic warden, but not necessarily town.

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That being said, webadict has pointed that his suspicions swing between him and me, so I would say he must be the one who framed Mish if my first guess is correct.

Sorry for pretty weak accusations, but I'll improve them once I learn about the current state of affairs first-hand.

P.S:
So, webadict posted right before me:

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 07:58:20 am

And I came up with two possibilities: Guardian protect or Mish unavailable. The third option (not choosing to kill) has no more reason to be explored, mostly because nothing anyone would do would make any sense. Even for WIFOM. And nobody seems crazy enough to try it.

That seems to fit with my guess - he framed Mish and then directly declared that the possibility of him not killing anyone is impossible, thus lifting suspicions from himself.

Wait,

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so it would make sense for actual exterminator NOT to kill anyone and claim that lack of kill was due to Mish's absence (yes, I know about WIFOM it implies but isn't it better for Exterminator not to kill anyone for one night at the cost of safety from lynching and ability to kill the next one when odds are in his favor).

I dunno. You're voting Web mostly because his theory contradicts your theory. Except his theory tries to avoid WIFOM, where your theory jumps right in with it. I think I like the theory with less WIFOM, myself.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:16:02 am

@Kamina:
So, being logical doesn't work with you. Well then, where did you get the whole idea that I am Exterminator with the exception of coincidental absence of Mish in the night? If you call logic WIFOM, there's no way to prove I'm not exterminator, SS or a dinosaur for that matter. You are just hellbent on lynching me, which confirms my earlier suspicions on you being in team with webadict (similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes, etc.).

You actually gave an argument as to why Web could be scum, and then you switch your vote to Kamina because he's "illogical"? And what were these "earlier suspicions"? I didn't see anything in your posts about Kamina until now. This just looks like garbage OMGUS.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:21:29 am

Also, you unvoted webadict right after you saw me voting for him. Something tells me that you don't actually want him lynched, you just show off that you voted for him and it was just a coincidence that you happened to be in minority...

His unvote of Web does not correspond with your vote of Web; it corresponds with you acting scummy.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Wait-wait-wait, WHAT?
First of all, why isn't anybody even considering the possibility of exterminator not killing anyone, thus framing Mish?
Second, my vote on webadict was not based on OMGUS but instead on the facts I gathered - for all I know, Web is either the exterminator, or a dopp who wishes to pull a vote on a new player who probably won't put much of a defense because of not being familiar with the game.
Third, as I said, I suspect a team of Web-Karmina (the reasons being similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes and the second immediatly changing his vote to re-balance the scales of voting). Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

1. Probably because everybody in this game would like to see the Exterminator dead. The Exterminator is sought by town and dopp alike, so waiting around and not killing anyone is a pretty bad idea.
2. Your vote on Webadict was indeed not OMGUS. Your vote on Kamina was very OMGUS.
3. Because if you show two different people a blue duck, they're going to say it's a blue duck.

I'm going Dariush for now, then.

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Now, to address earlier concerns.

Quote from: Toaster on November 30, 2010, 11:29:46 pm

Janus:

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 30, 2010, 06:42:51 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 30, 2010, 06:39:49 pm

Argembarger said he wanted to be treated like everybody else when replaced in. There's no reason to give him slack if he doesn't want any.

I had for gotten that. I still think that Argembarger had the right idea and Toaster the wrong for the original point though. Even within the original first extension, the vote has already changed quite a bit. It wasn't something that would cause problems back then.

I still found it odd that he mentioned the tiebreaker vote, then completely ignored the two people tied.  I don't think it was terribly scummy- probably more lazy than anything.  His last post was definitely scummier, though.

First off, thank you for respecting my wishes to not give me slack because I'm new. I'm having a pretty good time in the Mafia, and I'm a little upset that I never discovered Mafia earlier in my life. I may be new at Mafia, but I'm not new at arguing or debating, so if I show logical errors or what not, by all means, hound me for them.

Now, I will confess, those posts were extremely lazy that I made. I was distracted with my RL studies and pressed for time, but I went ahead and posted anyway, and now it's coming back to bite me.

To be honest, I don't have much of anything to say about Leafsnail. I'm not all that sure why I FoS'd him. If I had reasons to suspect him then, I don't remember what they were, which probably means they weren't very good ones. Maybe I confused him with someone else, somehow. Likely I was just tired and burnt out.

I should just start keeping physical notes about everyone somewhere, keeping track of all these shenanigans in my head is kind of pointlessly difficult. Sometimes it's like trying to tell a friend about what's going on in Homestuck. I end up confusing myself and having to reread things several times before I post.

As for Ottofar, my main concern right now is that he is focused on Kamina and doesn't seem to have anything to say about the other events at hand. Kamina is, well, kind of an easy target, as I'm sure Kamina would (and has!) freely admitted to. There's nothing really odd about suspecting Kamina, hell, I've been keeping my eye on him too, but to do only that and not have anything to say about anything else going on, well, that could either be Town being really useless, or Dopp not wanting to get caught in a lie.

MysteriousBluePuppet, it's great that you're back and active and posting and everything, but you're coming off as such a cloudcuckoolander to me. I'm having trouble following your points. I'll reread them and see if I can do better, but right now, I don't know what or what not to think about you at all.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 12:58:01 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
KaminaSquirtle: Mysteriousbluepuppet, Ottofar, Dariush
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Zathras
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Toaster
Dariush: Argembarger, KaminaSquirtle, webadict

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today. There will be no more extensions for this day.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 01:00:10 pm

Fine by me, i can be hard to understand (this being not my first language), and i probably sound weird. For my point, i could resume them at Kamina being scummy due to jumpyness, too muc emotionnal connection, and blatant try to buddy Zath. My point against Zath are weaker, mostly being based on the fact that is 'confirmation' is based on Kamina, and the weird kind of synergy they seem to be doing. Also, I'm still somewhat irked by Zath Vs Lurker from day 2 ( i admit i was amongst the condemned, but again the goal is to kill scum, not remove the lurkers.

 Again, that's why i would like Kamina to hang. If he flip dopp, its not looking too good for Zath. Flips town ? Sad thing to lose a townie, but he aint doing much right now but switching votes or buddying anyway. and we got a pretty certain exterminator Mish cornered.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 01:07:26 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 12:39:50 pm

If I understand the situation correctly, Zathras has proven himself to be a psychic warden, but not necessarily town.

Well, maybe he is dopp. Regardless, I voted for Web because of it, saw Karmina changing his vote to me because of it and went for him.

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 12:39:50 pm

You're voting Web mostly because his theory contradicts your theory. Except his theory tries to avoid WIFOM, where your theory jumps right in with it. I think I like the theory with less WIFOM, myself.

Ahem. WIFOM is 'Wine In Front Of Me' and refers to the infinite possibility of "maybe he thought that I'd think that he thought that I'd think...", right?
His theory just straight-out accuses me/Mish of being exterminator for sole reason that he was unavailible for one night AND that there was no killing that night. Yes, possibility of actual exterminator not killing that night is WIFOMy, but it can't be just straight-out ignored. So basically his argument boils down to "my opponent is exterminator and he can't argue with it because he would be suspected of WIFOM". That's just... I don't know. I simply can't describe it. It's just unfair.

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 12:39:50 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Wait-wait-wait, WHAT?
First of all, why isn't anybody even considering the possibility of exterminator not killing anyone, thus framing Mish?
Second, my vote on webadict was not based on OMGUS but instead on the facts I gathered - for all I know, Web is either the exterminator, or a dopp who wishes to pull a vote on a new player who probably won't put much of a defense because of not being familiar with the game.
Third, as I said, I suspect a team of Web-Karmina (the reasons being similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes and the second immediatly changing his vote to re-balance the scales of voting). Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

1. Probably because everybody in this game would like to see the Exterminator dead. The Exterminator is sought by town and dopp alike, so waiting around and not killing anyone is a pretty bad idea.
2. Your vote on Webadict was indeed not OMGUS. Your vote on Kamina was very OMGUS.
3. Because if you show two different people a blue duck, they're going to say it's a blue duck.

1. Is it better to just lynch a random townie just because of a random coincidence, who may additionally have some useful role than not kill anyone?
2. It wasn't. I voted for Web -> Karmina voted for me -> I guessed that Karmina was covering Web and that they are on the same team, which can only be dopps -> I voted for Karmina. Not that I'm bandwagoning, but I can only quote Ottofar and MBP on the subject that Karmina is thoroughly behind Web, which can only be either because a) Karmina is pro-town and somehow knows that Web is also pro-town (which is insanely impossible occurence in itself), that Ottofar and MBP are scum and I've voted for the wrong people or b) Karmina and Web are both scum (which seems to be right)
3. If you show two people a blue duck, they won't identically describe the chemical composition of paint on it and the properties of rubber from which it's made.

tl;dr:
1) What are accusations against me except Mish not being availible last night?
2) Why is everyone except Ottofar and MBP ignoring the reasons/consequences for the bond between Karmina and Web?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: webadict on December 01, 2010, 01:10:54 pm

No Extensions? Come on! I'm at work right now!

How about waiting until like at least 6 your time? My schedule kinda sucks. It'll give me at least an hour more to make a better case against Dariush.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 01:18:29 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 08:16:17 am

That being said, webadict has pointed that his suspicions swing between him and me, so I would say he must be the one who framed Mish if my first guess is correct.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:16:02 am

@Kamina:
So, being logical doesn't work with you. Well then, where did you get the whole idea that I am Exterminator with the exception of coincidental absence of Mish in the night? If you call logic WIFOM, there's no way to prove I'm not exterminator, SS or a dinosaur for that matter. You are just hellbent on lynching me, which confirms my earlier suspicions on you being in team with webadict (similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes, etc.).

Two OMGUSes right after each other was not the right way to begin defending yourself.

So you think webadict is the Exterminator because of stupid reasons. Do you have any other suspicions? Who do you think are doppelgangers?

I guess Toaster beat me to this question, but it's still important to know.

In the meantime, unvote and Dariush.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 01:21:06 pm

Well, extend,

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 01:27:15 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 01:18:29 pm

Two OMGUSes right after each other was not the right way to begin defending yourself.

Once again - I've lost count of how many times I pointed out the logic behind my votes, which are not OMGUS in any way.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 01:18:29 pm

So you think webadict is the Exterminator because of stupid reasons. Do you have any other suspicions? Who do you think are doppelgangers?

So, the reason that Web has a pretty good setup to frame me/Mish for exterminator is stupid while the coincidence (how many times have I pinpointed the idiocy of it... uh, I don't even know) of lack of kill is not stupid? Greeeat.
That being said, I'm not sure that Webadict is exterminator, I'm just sure he's scum and that Karmina, backuping him, is another one.

Seriously, it looks like people are simply ignoring my questions and statements.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 01:54:03 pm

I don't give a flying rat's ass what you think of webadict or KaminaSquirtle or anything related to the Exterminator.

So why don't you quit ignoring questions and tell me what your other suspicions are. If you don't have any, and if they're not good, I'm perfectly fine letting you hang.

Quote from: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 01:21:06 pm

Well, extend,

I don't think we can. We've already had two.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:04:05 pm

Other suspicions? I already gave two, with perfectly valid explanations about why I picked them. Do you expect me to start sputtering accusations like a witch under torture? And even if I will accuse someone else, it's going to be someone of those who posted something game-related since I replaced Mish, and the only ones who did voted for me, thus if I vote for them, I'll get another cry of OMGUS accusations. Thanks, I'll roll with Web and Karmina.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement requested
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:14:48 pm

Quote from: webadict on November 30, 2010, 11:50:23 pm

Observant Guards only tell the name of the attacker to the person they were guarding. All players being guarded will receive a message if they would have been attacked. It's an extra feature in this game. [...] Except for one small fact. The player who's protected gets a message. I have gotten them enough times to know this. (What can I say? I'm popular.) Sooo... that means if I was the Exterminator, I'd be taking one heck of a chance.

This goes against my reading of the roles, but I've not seen guardians in action before and Meph has confirmed it, so I stand corrected. It does seem that the remaining possibilities are the Exty not acting due to absence, or a dopp guardian is about and obviously quiet. There doesn't seem to be a good reason for the exty to choose not to act, without indulging deeply in WIFOM.

Dariush, thank you for coming in and volunteering to replace, it's sad that you got caught in a bad situation, but it seems that the safer choice for town is to lynch you now; your defence hasn't really helped or stood up to scrutiny. Hopefully you are the exterminator, or there'll be a lot of people with egg on their face. It must have been the shortest replacement in history. If you flip town, then I think either the dopp guardian theory has real merit, and probably MBP will be who will pay for it, or it was Webadict spewing WIFOM and forging a case around you to save his ass after all. We'll see.

Quote from: webadict

Or will you just keeping pushing the point until I'm dead and prove I'm Town? Because, really, it's getting a little old. [...] I felt a little bad about my prior absence. I tried to make up just a little.

Dude, I was onto you because you were scummy and you weren't playing your town game. You have changed that and are playing your town game, so I'm no longer on your case. You still smell scummy, but nowhere as badly as before, so I'll see how the night pans out and where that leaves us tomorrow.

Quote from: lemon-sucking-webadict

Zathras can suck some lemons.

Bite me.


Other than the Dariush lynch, I'd like to hear who people's top scumpicks are, in brief. Hopefully we lynch scum today, but if not we are dangerously approaching lylo, and there's plenty of scum out there. My current other picks, in descending order: Ottofar, Toaster, Kamina, Webadict. I'm mostly off web's case for now, but it will really depend on how the lynch and night go; my earlier suspicions of JTF were mostly circumstantial or based on my misunderstandings, so I've backed off those too (though I still think his killing Org was ill-advised and maybe scummy); Ottofar is very scummy; Toaster less so, mostly meta-based, but has a scummy way of interjecting without deeply committing, which is consistent with his scum game; Kamina seems to me jumpy rather than scummy, but yeah, lay off the buddying with whoever seems to have a workable argument.

So, everyone else, before the day ends please state your top picks for the record. A thought or two next to each would be greatly appreciated.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:17:22 pm

Great, now I'm getting bandwagon'd without any reason whatsoever. Well, time to get desperate.

What if I say I'm an Agent Operative with an Assasin Bot and Stun Orb with me?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 02:29:19 pm

Dariush and MBP:

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 12:19:11 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 11:58:45 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

They're both perceptive and correct?

And everyone else who doesn't employ their line of thinking is dumb and wrong?

Also, how would you explain Karmina backuping Web when he was getting dangerously close to lynch?

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 12:21:08 pm

Sorry Toast, but Kamina is weaselly since he almost got lynched back day 1. Right now all he does is align himself with any alpha dog he can find to protect his hide.

As for the zath thing, i re-read. I admit to have passed some good info, but i'll still keep vigilant.  Also, i havent got any feedback about you and Kamina relationship, and that's not boding well.

That was hypothetical, really, since you asked for a possibility.  Kamina is #2 on my scum list, and if it wasn't for Ottofar, he'd have my vote right now.

Argembarger:  Noted.

Ottofar:

Quote from: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 01:21:06 pm

Well, extend,

You're not paying attention at all.

Dariush:

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 01:27:15 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 01:18:29 pm

Two OMGUSes right after each other was not the right way to begin defending yourself.

Once again - I've lost count of how many times I pointed out the logic behind my votes, which are not OMGUS in any way.
Seriously, it looks like people are simply ignoring my questions and statements.

(Ducks again) If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

You think Web and Kamina are teamed; great.  If they're dopp, who is the exterminator?

Zath:
Per request:
1. Ottofar:  He is not paying the damnedest bit of attention.  He's coming on long enough to not get force replaced, posting some half-relevant crap, and then vanishing again.
2. Kamina:  I think my case on him is well documented.  Ottofar is the only thing keeping my vote off him.

Amongst the rest, I'm still keeping an eye on Leafsnail and Dariush is doing a bad job with his defense.


PPE:  Dariush: Then that'd make things interesting.  Are either of your techs used, especially the assassin bot?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:30:58 pm

That... would be interesting. I don't know if it will save you from the noose, but if you are truthful I suggest using your bot before the end of the day to hit scum. I don't mean whoever you use it on whoever you are voting based on a couple of arguments, but one of the most generally scummy people out there, like Ottofar, who would have hanged today otherwise.

It may also help your claim if you tell people what Solifuge/Mish did for night actions D1/N1 & N2.

PPE: I've been Ninja'd by an appliance!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 02:32:37 pm

The bot is a night action-morning kill now, not a day action.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:35:49 pm

Crap. True. I find it embarrassing that I read several paranormals before this one started, and I keep making errors about the roles/rules regardless... Still, Dariush, action claim, please.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:40:47 pm

At N1 Mish discovered the role of JTF, who's pro-town. At N2 he indeed did nothing.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:51:03 pm

Also, both bot and orb are unused. It was a scanner which was used.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:55:18 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:40:47 pm

At N1 Mish discovered the role of JTF, who's pro-town. At N2 he indeed did nothing. [...]Also, both bot and orb are unused. It was a scanner which was used.

...I'm confused. I find your claim persuasive, so I Unvote for now, but I'm not sure where that leaves us... Need to chew on this for a bit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:59:36 pm

Great, now it leaves me... no, wait, I'm still outnumbered. Well, whatever, this is probably my last post for today. Everyone can think whatever he wants, but I'm still keeping my accusations of Web and Karmina (not that they matter much now).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 03:00:55 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:14:48 pm

So, everyone else, before the day ends please state your top picks for the record. A thought or two next to each would be greatly appreciated.

Ottofar, Leafsnail, and Argembarger, in no particular order.

Leafsnail - No variation in suspicions, suspiciously silent whenever important stuff is being discussed, like Pandarsenic or *gasp* right now, tunneling on JTF and KaminaSquirtle since Day 1 for bullshit reasons.
Ottofar - Useless and unhelpful, even after repeated attempts to get him talking.
Argembarger - Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he's giving me really scummy vibes. He FoSed Leafsnail and Ottofar without a reason but didn't vote Ottofar, who he said he suspected, he attacked JTF for stupid reasons which he gave up after people had corrected him, and I get the feeling he's trying to contribute without actually doing anything, like when he asked all those useless questions.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:51:03 pm

Also, both bot and orb are unused. It was a scanner which was used.

Then we still have an Exterminator out there. This is an interesting and unfortunate development.

I believe your claim. Unvote Dariush, Ottofar.

You should use your Assassin Bot as soon as possible, but using it on webadict or KaminaSquirtle is a mistake. So you should use it on Leafsnail.

Ideally, you should also use your Stun Orb as well. You are a giant target with all that unused tech.

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:55:18 pm

...I'm confused. I find your claim persuasive, so I Unvote for now, but I'm not sure where that leaves us... Need to chew on this for a bit.

Make it quick. The deadline's coming up.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 03:04:26 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
KaminaSquirtle: Mysteriousbluepuppet, Ottofar, Dariush
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, Toaster
Dariush: Argembarger, KaminaSquirtle, webadict

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Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

@Web: It might go a bit over 5, but it really depends on how my schedule ends up around that time.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 03:13:34 pm

It is really unfortunate that Agent Operative is a perfect claim for Exterminator Operative.

Scanner reveals race and role, all you said was that JTF is pro-town. Why not be more specific in your reveal? What you claim about JTF could be important later on.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 03:18:13 pm

And what if you're exterminator operative?  I doubt your claim.

Also, Kamina,
Dariush
Toaster or something

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 03:27:30 pm

Easy call there.

kamina is right there.  Zath and Mish\Dariush quite a bit behind.

Also, Where is Leafsnail ?
Also Also, you should do something else than coming then going without doing shit, You are digging your own grave .

Also, i wont object to an extend.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 03:28:52 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 03:13:34 pm

It is really unfortunate that Agent Operative is a perfect claim for Exterminator Operative.

You and Ottofar are both wrong, and I'll tell you why.

These tech choices were made by Solifuge. Scanner is an obvious choice to verify that the Agent is town, and Assassin Bot combined with the Agent's inspect is a perfect combination. Stun Orb for the hell of it.

The tech choices are not the ones an Exterminator Operative would make.

Both of yours insistence to not believe the claim pretty much confirms to me that both of you are scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 03:30:12 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 03:27:30 pm

Also, i wont object to an extend.

There are no further extensions for this day.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 03:33:33 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 03:13:34 pm

It is really unfortunate that Agent Operative is a perfect claim for Exterminator Operative.

Yes, but lynching the Ext-Operative is nowhere as useful as lynching the actual Ext. Or it would, except for that unused bot. He could be a) Agent-Op, which clears JTF; b) Ext-OP, which, under pressure, may have slipped the name of his master trying to clear him as town: JTF's bot and play would be consistent with his being the Ext; or c) Ext-Op with a different Ext altogether.

I find it funny that there's a three-way three-vote tie at the moment. Tie results in nolynch, yes? If so, Ottofar seems like the safer choice, and yet seems unsatisfying, as it leaves the Ext question utterly up in the air, and a night with lots of likely kills (ext+bot+dopps).

Jim's points are good ones, though: a) tech choices point to Agent-Op, and b) Leafsnail, what are your thoughts on the Dariush situation?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 03:45:04 pm

...another possibility: he is the Exterminator, claimed to save his skin, and lied about the scanner (as JTF had already claimed earlier, it would be a safe choice); his tech choices would also be consistent with an Ext, just switching the orb for a replicator or somesuch.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 03:45:23 pm

I dont see it in any kind safer.

Lynching Kamina would be best. He,s dropping scumtells like candy, buddying about anybody to save his little hide, And he hardly contribute to anything right now. The way he flips would give very usefull info, expecially about you (and apparently web). If he towns then you are pretty much cleared in my book, excuses are dones and laugh are had. If he flips Scum then you have a little to explain ...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 03:46:53 pm

Also, since we dont get any more extensions, somebody has got to bend, a no lynch would not be productive.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 03:50:33 pm

Why would have Janus been scanned anyways? Agents get no assassin bots and Mr. P was the agent.

I think it might've been his bot, which killed Org, by Janus's command.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 03:53:57 pm

Mod: Could you make it clearer / make a list of which techs an Alien with a night action could use in addition to that night action?  Also, can more than one of those techs be used on the same night?

Important questions:
Mysteriousbluepuppet: Do you 'know' that there is a Guardian that didn't block the Exterminator because you are in contact with a Guardian through some means and they told you?  Yes or no, don't reveal more than this yes.
Dariush: If you're an Agent Operative, did you contact your Agent on Night 1?

Schemey potential plan:
Dariush can verify my alignment if we can verify his role and we seem to have at least one Guardian about (although they might be a dopp).

If Darius survives the night and nothing better comes comes up, I suggest we Sacrilynch him tomorrow (I don't feel so bad about doing it to Aliens). Then everyone claims to me tomorrow night and I dig for logical issues.

I would suggest it for tonight, except if he's telling the truth Dariush is town aligned with a significant amount of power remaining.

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on November 30, 2010, 10:43:10 pm

Because i dont think theres more than 1 guardian , and i know one, and i know he did no such blocks ? Thus if there is not 2 guardians, extie failed to act.

If you know there is a Guardian (and you're not the Guardian) that probably means that you inspected one (Detective or maybe a Telepath).  To know that he did no such blocks means that you probably asked and they said no.  Which could very well mean that they're actually a Dopp Guardian protecting another Dopp. 

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 01:00:10 pm

Again, that's why i would like Kamina to hang. If he flip dopp, its not looking too good for Zath. Flips town ? Sad thing to lose a townie, but he aint doing much right now but switching votes or buddying anyway. and we got a pretty certain exterminator Mish cornered.

You seem to keep missing the point that the alignments of KaminaSquirtle and Zathras do *not* depend on one another. Just Zathras' role.

Quote from: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 01:21:06 pm

Well, extend,

You're really not paying any attention at all are you? There was a post just *two* before yours refering to no more extensions.  And I *really* doubt that you'd actually put them to any use if we get one.  You've already gone through 2 extensions today with no extra content.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 01:54:03 pm

I don't give a flying rat's ass what you think of webadict or KaminaSquirtle or anything related to the Exterminator.

OOC: Such an amusing expression. Would you give a flying rat's ass if you did care or didn't? Because I personally wouldn't have one to give in either case...

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:35:49 pm

Crap. True. I find it embarrassing that I read several paranormals before this one started, and I keep making errors about the roles/rules regardless... Still, Dariush, action claim, please.

The rules are complicated. And some have changed. I doubt anyone knows exactly what's going on rulewise without looking it up. (Which isn't a bad thing, I like the complexity).

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:17:22 pm

What if I say I'm an Agent Operative with an Assasin Bot and Stun Orb with me?

That saying it like this makes it sound like you have someone telling you what to claim. But it's actually a believable enough claim, especially since we know there was at least one Agent about.

Question: You learn who your Agent is the first night. Did you contact him?

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 03:33:33 pm

I find it funny that there's a three-way three-vote tie at the moment. Tie results in nolynch, yes? If so, Ottofar seems like the safer choice, and yet seems unsatisfying, as it leaves the Ext question utterly up in the air, and a night with lots of likely kills (ext+bot+dopps).

Even funnier when you realize that you're not voting.  You should get on that.

Yes, it does mean there's lots of kills flying about, but that means there's even more kills likely to cross kill scum. And if we can believe Dariush's claim (I do, for now at least), then at least one of those kills is town aligned.  Doesn't mean much, but it does mean something.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 03:57:12 pm

There is a guardian, he did not block.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 04:02:18 pm

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 03:46:53 pm

Also, since we dont get any more extensions, somebody has got to bend, a no lynch would not be productive.

There's time.  Less than I'd like, but there's still 4 hours until the end of the day.

Quote from: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 03:50:33 pm

Why would have Janus been scanned anyways? Agents get no assassin bots and Mr. P was the agent.

I think it might've been his bot, which killed Org, by Janus's command.

Why not? I was kicking up plenty of commotion on Day 1, so I was a prime target to verify. Solifuge became Mish during Day 1 and given what else we know about Mish, I doubt that he considered that his Agent might have been a Dopp.

And if it wasn't my bot that killed Org, then what was I doing on Night 1?

Quote from: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 03:57:12 pm

There is a guardian, he did not block.

Doesn't answer my question. I'll rephrase it.

Can you *confirm* this or did the hypothetical Guardian just *tell* you via PM or the like?  The emphasis is on the possibility that this hypothetical Guardian could have lied.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 04:05:18 pm

*Confirm*

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 04:10:28 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 03:53:57 pm

Schemey potential plan:[...]

I have some misgivings about this, but let's pick it up again tomorrow for discussion (if we're still here).

Quote from: jtf

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:35:49 pm

Crap. True. I find it embarrassing that I read several paranormals before this one started, and I keep making errors about the roles/rules regardless... Still, Dariush, action claim, please.

The rules are complicated. And some have changed. I doubt anyone knows exactly what's going on rulewise without looking it up. (Which isn't a bad thing, I like the complexity).

Oh, me too, and it's the main reason I wanted to play one... I just wish I had done a better job.

Quote from: JTF

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 03:33:33 pm

I find it funny that there's a three-way three-vote tie at the moment. Tie results in nolynch, yes? If so, Ottofar seems like the safer choice, and yet seems unsatisfying, as it leaves the Ext question utterly up in the air, and a night with lots of likely kills (ext+bot+dopps).

Even funnier when you realize that you're not voting.  You should get on that.
Yes, it does mean there's lots of kills flying about, but that means there's even more kills likely to cross kill scum. And if we can believe Dariush's claim (I do, for now at least), then at least one of those kills is town aligned.  Doesn't mean much, but it does mean something.

Yes, funnier, but that's why I'm thinking about it carefully instead of just flinging it about. I also would like to believe Dariush's claim, as it is indeed plausible and it would make one of the kills town's. On the other hand, it doesn't resolve the question: why didn't the Ext kill last night? Absence was the most likely choice, and Dariush is still the one who was absent (and did claim noaction for N2). This is the main reason I'm still considering voting him as the right choice. But yes, I'm still undecided.

Quote from: JTF

And if it wasn't my bot that killed Org, then what was I doing on Night 1?

As a possibility? Ext-killing Criptfeind; thus one of the dopps being MS and killing Org, letting you get away with your claim. On the other hand, if this were the case the Dopps would have dropped you last night, so who knows. I'm just saying that Dariush's claim doesn't clear you at all unless he is indeed the Agent-Op.


Also, MBP and you are playing a dangerous game. Useful, surely, but dangerous, especially as both your alignments are still undecided. But it will prove interesting, I'm sure.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 04:13:12 pm

Alien tech has been updated to show whether it uses up the night action or not.

Items that do not use up the night action can be used in any number per night, currently. That may change in future games, but for now that's how it is.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Ottofar on December 01, 2010, 04:14:16 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 04:02:18 pm

And if it wasn't my bot that killed Org, then what was I doing on Night 1?

I don't know, killing Criptfeind?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:19:53 pm

Dariush is lying. He's the Exterminator.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 04:34:14 pm

In answer to Zathras' earlier scummitude ranking question
Ottofar and Leafsnail are the likliest scum.  KaminaSquirtle is next after them although that gets problematic if Ottofar is scum because I don't think he'd bus him.

I still think that Zathras has the potential to be a Dopp Warden having bussed Pandarsenic.  Of the 11 players remaining, he's in the top 3 likely to actually try that.  I don't think that KaminaSquirtle and Zathras are both scum, one or the other or neither, but not both.

I'm not getting any particular scum vibes at all of off webadict, other than lurking earlier, which feels strange in itself. I always get scum vibes from webadict.

Nothing in particular off Toaster either.

Jim Groovester is saying essentially what I'm thinking and has defended me which either means we are the same alignment and happen to be thinking alike or that he's buddying me.  I'm leaning towards the former.  A question though: If you were to order all 11 players by decreasing scummitude (1 being scummiest), where would you put me right now?

Argembarger... I can't really read. I just think he's new. Same with Mysteriousbluepuppet. Of the two, MBP strikes me as the scummier, roughly equally scummy as KaminaSquirtle.

I believe Dariush, which would make him town aligned.  Although lynchable as that would confirm me. :-\

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 03:04:26 pm

JanusTwoface: Leafsnail

This is another reason why I think you're scummy.  It's not because of the OMGUS factor (although I would be lying if I said I wasn't feeling it). It's because you've continued to insist that I'm scum and vote me since Day 1.  There are three Dopps and an Exterminator about, if you were really trying to help town I'd think that you would attack and/or vote someone that has a chance of being lynched today. Especially with all that's been going on. But you haven't.

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 04:10:28 pm

Quote from: JTF

And if it wasn't my bot that killed Org, then what was I doing on Night 1?

As a possibility? Ext-killing Criptfeind; thus one of the dopps being MS and killing Org, letting you get away with your claim. On the other hand, if this were the case the Dopps would have dropped you last night, so who knows. I'm just saying that Dariush's claim doesn't clear you at all unless he is indeed the Agent-Op.

No, it doesn't. Didn't mean to imply that it did. The logical problem is a little over from that.  If I actually were the Exterminator, I could have killed both Criptfeind and Org, the Assassin Bot doesn't use an Alien's night action. So whatever Ottofar was getting at really doesn't make sense.

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 04:10:28 pm

Also, MBP and you are playing a dangerous game. Useful, surely, but dangerous, especially as both your alignments are still undecided. But it will prove interesting, I'm sure.

Yes. I was basically rolefishing. But I think it's justified in this instance, because if he had just been *told* that the Guardian no-actioned, that would have made the Guardian being a Dopp much more likely IMO. 

Knowing that it is confirmed doesn't mean that the Guardian is guaranteed town by any means, but does mean we can trust the information that that particular Guardian didn't block the Exterminator last night (at least so far as we can trust Mysteriousbluepuppet).

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:19:53 pm

Dariush is lying. He's the Exterminator.

Do you know this or are you webadicting it?  Because if you have evidence, then I'll consider it, but if you are going off a gut feeling, I think that Dariush is probably telling the truth.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:37:55 pm

Simple question to Dariush: Do you have a Mind Shield? Feel free to lie.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 01, 2010, 04:38:04 pm

First off, unovte.
I believe Dariush's claim.  This style doesn't seem too out of the ordinary for him.  Look at the salad game.  He acted all reactionary and scummy, but flipped doc.  I think the consistency of his claim combined with this meta is enough to unovte him.
That said, this means my vote needs a new home.  And since it's now a tie between Ottofar and I, and I'm obviously not going to vote myself, I'm going to vote...
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:19:53 pm

Dariush is lying. He's the Exterminator.

Wait, do you know something we don't?  I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion.  My vote will wait until you've explained this.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 04:46:38 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 04:34:14 pm

(at least so far as we can trust Mysteriousbluepuppet).

Which is as far as we can throw him, I'd say, but I see your point.

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:19:53 pm

I think that Dariush is probably telling the truth.

But what are your thoughts on the lack of the exterminator kill last night, then? Dariush's no-action, coupled with MBP's claim of a guardian no-action, leave only Dariush-as-Ext as the possibility, doesn't it?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 04:47:34 pm

^{Edit-by-post: Messed up the quot above: it was from JTF, not webadict.}

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 04:51:20 pm

Dariush:  I suggest bot-killing Kamina in an attempt to prove yourself, should you survive to night.  You think he's scum, I think he's scum, and he's one of the ones with the most votes.

Meph:  Does the agent op receive the agent's name at the beginning or end of night one?  That's important for determining the rationale behind the scanner target decision.

Janus:  That's some serious rolefishing you've got going on, especially considering what role we're talking about.

I'm still confident in my Ottofar vote, but I'll switch to Kamina to break a tie if needed- I think they're both scum of some flavor.

PPE:  Uh, Zath, why are you screwing with Web's quote so badly?  Make up your mind whether you believe Dariush or not- you're waffling on that pretty hard.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 05:00:00 pm

The Agent Operative receives the Agent's name as part of their Night 1 results PM.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 05:05:39 pm

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:37:55 pm

Simple question to Dariush: Do you have a Mind Shield? Feel free to lie.

Doesn't really help.  He already said (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764981#msg1764981) that he probably wasn't going to be back today.  If you assume that he's not going to respond, then what happens now?

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 04:46:38 pm

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:19:53 pm

I think that Dariush is probably telling the truth.

But what are your thoughts on the lack of the exterminator kill last night, then? Dariush's no-action, coupled with MBP's claim of a guardian no-action, leave only Dariush-as-Ext as the possibility, doesn't it?

It leaves at least the no-kill-for-WIFOM, the possibility of a second Guardian, the possiblity that Mysteriousbluepuppet is lying, or that Mysteriousbluepuppet was the Exterminator who didn't get around to night actioning (he also didn't post for the 48 hours before the end of the day, see your own  LurkerTracker^® post (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1741534#msg1741534)).

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 04:51:20 pm

Dariush:  I suggest bot-killing Kamina in an attempt to prove yourself, should you survive to night.  You think he's scum, I think he's scum, and he's one of the ones with the most votes.

Assassin Bot kills in the morning, but it's set off by a night action and will still work even if the user is night killed.  I asked for the same clarification for my own Assassin Bot Night 1.

I personally agree with Jim that Leafsnail would be a preferable target.  Killing KaminaSquirtle would let us know if Zathras is telling the truth, but I don't think it's worth that.  Up to Dariush really.  We'll know that he was telling the truth in the morning, because Assassin Bot kills have distinct flavor. 

Dariush, if you're telling the truth, you know my alignment.  You should PM me and/or someone else you think you can trust with who you're going to kill before the day starts tomorrow so we can verify that you in fact did kill them and there's not someone *else* floating around with a WIFOM-spewing Assassin Bot.

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 04:51:20 pm

Janus:  That's some serious rolefishing you've got going on, especially considering what role we're talking about.

Yup. And I already explained it. And if you notice, I wasn't actually looking for the identity of the Guardian unless it's possible we could catch them in a lie, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 01, 2010, 05:16:53 pm

Ok, since I'm pretty much out of time here, I'm going to leave my vote on Ottofar.
Hopefully I'll have enough time later to change it if something comes up.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 05:19:49 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 04:46:38 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 04:34:14 pm

(at least so far as we can trust Mysteriousbluepuppet).

Which is as far as we can throw him, I'd say, but I see your point.

Says you, i'm putting my neck on the line for the town.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 05:24:05 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 04:51:20 pm

Zath  Make up your mind whether you believe Dariush or not- you're waffling on that pretty hard.

I'm trying to vote carefully, not waffling. I unvoted him because his claim is persuasive (and indeed has persuaded some); I may still vote him because his absence (well, Mish's) is still the best explanation of the lack of an Ext-kill last night. I reserve the right to make my choice in the fullness of time; I will not be rushed into it. On the other hand, with Kamina unvoting him, if I vote him now (as I've mostly decided to do) would only restore the tie...

How about you (Toaster), though? You think both Ottofar and Kamina are worthy of a vote, yes? But it's unlikely they are both dopps, as Otto is not the bussing type. I doubt Kamina is an alien, since he could have damned me pretty easily by faking my block claim, but he didn't, which would leave Otto as the alien (if you believe Dariush)... is this what's going on in your mind, or have a different rationale? Do you believe Dariush's claim? (you haven't said explicitly if you do)

Quote from: JTF

It leaves at least the no-kill-for-WIFOM, the possibility of a second Guardian, the possiblity that Mysteriousbluepuppet is lying, or that Mysteriousbluepuppet was the Exterminator who didn't get around to night actioning (he also didn't post for the 48 hours before the end of the day, see your own  LurkerTracker® post).

No-kill-for-WIFOM is rather unlikely I think (I admit I did entertain the tough earlier, but it doesn't seem viable anymore); a second guardian is almost as unlikely, but possible. I like the MBP-is-lying-scum theory, but don't see it as superior to the Dariush-noaction-lying-Ext theory...

Speaking of the lurkertracker, I won't have time to post a new one today, but will do when day four starts. Also, Kamina, your "warning: new posts" in red will mess up the redtext finder! 8-P (well, not really, but if you hadn't voted later, it would just show that as your last red text).

PPE: Meph, can we have a fresh vote count, please?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 05:26:34 pm

The Whiteboard
JanusTwoface: Leafsnail
KaminaSquirtle: Mysteriousbluepuppet, Ottofar, Dariush
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Toaster
Dariush: Argembarger, webadict

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today (About 2 1/2 hours)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Leafsnail on December 01, 2010, 05:43:54 pm

If you check my posting record, you'll see I wasn't doing anything after 7pm (being deeply engrossed in, respectively, Rokkenjima, my dinner, and a history programme).

First of all, there's no point at all in lynching Dariush today, since he has a testable night action that'll effectively give us an extra lynch.  Exterminator or not is kindof irrelevant right now.

Secondly, I will unvote JTF pending confirmation that Dariush is in fact the agent operative.  I do have a reason to believe that he is not the exterminator, although it's not conclusive.

Other than that... yeah, I have been overtunelling.  I'd prefer a Kamina lynch today, but I'm aware that'd lead to a tie, and a no lynch today would be retarded.  Might as well get a lurker lynch out of the way.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 01, 2010, 05:48:29 pm

And again, Kamina will be saved by others, and continue to provide nothing. I am saddened.

Ottofar, if you got something to say id suggest doing it fast , clock is ticking hard.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 06:16:15 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 03:33:33 pm

Yes, but lynching the Ext-Operative is nowhere as useful as lynching the actual Ext. Or it would, except for that unused bot. He could be a) Agent-Op, which clears JTF; b) Ext-OP, which, under pressure, may have slipped the name of his master trying to clear him as town: JTF's bot and play would be consistent with his being the Ext; or c) Ext-Op with a different Ext altogether.

The kill on Org was done by a human Assassin Bot, because of bullets, not plasma. If JTF is the Exterminator he also has Combat Camouflage, which amounts to two medium tech choices, which isn't normally possible for the Exterminator unless he also takes Replicator. It's possible but seems unlikely.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 03:53:57 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 01:54:03 pm

I don't give a flying rat's ass what you think of webadict or KaminaSquirtle or anything related to the Exterminator.

OOC: Such an amusing expression. Would you give a flying rat's ass if you did care or didn't? Because I personally wouldn't have one to give in either case...

It's from a place I used to edit (http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Her_Majesty%27s_Royal_Flying_Rat%27s_Ass). Saying Her Majesty's Royal Flying Rat's Ass is just a bit too ridiculous though.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 03:53:57 pm

Schemey potential plan:
Dariush can verify my alignment if we can verify his role and we seem to have at least one Guardian about (although they might be a dopp).

If Darius survives the night and nothing better comes comes up, I suggest we Sacrilynch him tomorrow (I don't feel so bad about doing it to Aliens). Then everyone claims to me tomorrow night and I dig for logical issues.

I would suggest it for tonight, except if he's telling the truth Dariush is town aligned with a significant amount of power remaining.

By tomorrow I'm not sure we'll even have a mislynch to waste to confirm Dariush's alignment though. If he's town-aligned, we can't be lynching him on lylo for confirmation.

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:37:55 pm

Simple question to Dariush: Do you have a Mind Shield? Feel free to lie.

What do you know? I'm not sure there's enough time to get it out. But if you do know something, you should say it instead of letting the deadline draw near.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 05:05:39 pm

Assassin Bot kills in the morning, but it's set off by a night action and will still work even if the user is night killed.  I asked for the same clarification for my own Assassin Bot Night 1.

I don't think it's a night action. I think it can be set off at any time, day or night, but it will kill its target in the morning. It's not specified in its description that it's a night action.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 06:19:18 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 06:16:15 pm

I don't think it's a night action. I think it can be set off at any time, day or night, but it will kill its target in the morning. It's not specified in its description that it's a night action.

It is in fact set off as a night action. I'll go update the rule on it to clarify this.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: webadict on December 01, 2010, 06:34:40 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 08:16:17 am

All riiiight, I'm kinda up to date with events.

First of all, about Mish (and then me) being Exterminator - Mish's last post was three days before the end of Day 2, so it would make sense for actual exterminator NOT to kill anyone and claim that lack of kill was due to Mish's absence (yes, I know about WIFOM it implies but isn't it better for Exterminator not to kill anyone for one night at the cost of safety from lynching and ability to kill the next one when odds are in his favor). Second, Zathras has pretty much proved himself a townie (if I'm wrong and missed some vital piece of information, please correct me), so anyone trying to frame him isn't likely to be pro-town. That being said, webadict has pointed that his suspicions swing between him and me, so I would say he must be the one who framed Mish if my first guess is correct.

Sorry for pretty weak accusations, but I'll improve them once I learn about the current state of affairs first-hand.

P.S:
So, webadict posted right before me:

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 07:58:20 am

And I came up with two possibilities: Guardian protect or Mish unavailable. The third option (not choosing to kill) has no more reason to be explored, mostly because nothing anyone would do would make any sense. Even for WIFOM. And nobody seems crazy enough to try it.

That seems to fit with my guess - he framed Mish and then directly declared that the possibility of him not killing anyone is impossible, thus lifting suspicions from himself.

First off: This doesn't make a lick of sense. You start by saying that only you or I are the Exterminator, which is a sure sign of you being the Exterminator.

Second: You come up with a convoluted plot where I managed to stuff Mish into a closet, have no action, and then frame you for it. Not only do you severely overestimate my trigger-finger, intelligence, and foresight, but you've also assumed me to be on par with some sort of deity.

Third: Zathras proved himself to be a Psychic Warden. There's very little chance of him being anything else. Where did you see town in that? If he was proven Town, we would be massclaiming to him.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 10:27:24 am

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 10:18:45 am

@Dariush: Be comforted by the fact that your lynching will be almost entirely Mish's fault. Almost. For now, your defense wittles down to: "It's him or me," to which I will reply: "Since when?" But, that's beside the fact. You, however, just gave away yourself as the Exterminator, and I will explain why when I'm home. Feel free to prepare an adequate defense in that time.

I should have just said 'I am not the exterminator' and that would be better than actually placing evidence in front of me? Also, accusing me immediatly after I voted for you with only explanation being (intentional) misinterpretation of what I said... doesn't seem right.

It wasn't a misrepresentation. Perhaps a miscommunication on your part is what you meant to say?

But, you retaliated against me for being the Exterminator. Are you still saying it's me? Because you're about to jump off hardcore right here:

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:16:02 am

@Kamina:
So, being logical doesn't work with you. Well then, where did you get the whole idea that I am Exterminator with the exception of coincidental absence of Mish in the night? If you call logic WIFOM, there's no way to prove I'm not exterminator, SS or a dinosaur for that matter. You are just hellbent on lynching me, which confirms my earlier suspicions on you being in team with webadict (similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes, etc.).

Because you thought you were going to have more people jumping on your case to lynch me? Instead you jumped onto someone that would help you not get lynched. And you accuse everyone else for bandwagoning you... Oh you. You're funny!

I'd also like to point out that you were accusing me of being the Exterminator, so you must be accusing Kamina of being an Operative. Also, it's been pointed out that you HAD NO SUSPICIONS LISTED! I'm almost positive that you just made that up on the spot. Wanna know why?

Well, that whole argument I had with Kamina freaking out must've made you suspect a team, right? Him defending Zathras? But, that's headed into WIFOM territory.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:21:29 am

Also, you unvoted webadict right after you saw me voting for him. Something tells me that you don't actually want him lynched, you just show off that you voted for him and it was just a coincidence that you happened to be in minority...

... What about Zathras voting for me? Is this just not a two-way street? Are you going to bother with that?

I'm pretty sure you saw me poking you and decided to flip out. Instead of actually suspecting me (And thereby looking at my posts), you skipped nearly to the end and started calling me the Exterminator, using explanations given by Zathras and someone else.

So, you missed a couple of pieces of information that don't add up with the rest of your story.

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 11:32:54 am

On DarMish the possible exterminator:

It seems we're working on what is, at best, circumstantial evidence.  There wasn't a kill last night when Mish wasn't around to post.  That's certainly a possibility, but it's not the only possibility.  Potentially, there's a dopp guardian who protected another dopp, and they're both keeping their mouths shut, or it could have been a WIFOM based no-kill (I doubt that.)

That said... Dariush isn't doing a good job of defending himself.  Both his votes are serious OMGUS votes.  He's acting scummy, and his only posted suspicions are against those who have recently voted him, but I'm not sold on him being the exty just yet.

Dariush:  If you're not the exterminator, who is?  Who do you think is a dopp?

As for myself, I'm thinking it's one of the scummy people who are out there, with my current guess being Ottofar.  His explanation of his vote on Kamina (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764374#msg1764374) is a regurgitation of the arguments of others, even going to quote the reasons of others as to why he's voting.  He's trying to hide in the background, and it's failing.

Dariush admitted that he didn't action, and why would the Dopps bother covering up themselves? They would look MORE townie by admitting something like that. They also would want to get rid of the Exterminator (Who would then suspect them of being Doppelgangers and use this information to try and lynch them).

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Wait-wait-wait, WHAT?
First of all, why isn't anybody even considering the possibility of exterminator not killing anyone, thus framing Mish?
Second, my vote on webadict was not based on OMGUS but instead on the facts I gathered - for all I know, Web is either the exterminator, or a dopp who wishes to pull a vote on a new player who probably won't put much of a defense because of not being familiar with the game.
Third, as I said, I suspect a team of Web-Karmina (the reasons being similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes and the second immediatly changing his vote to re-balance the scales of voting). Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

Because no one would think to do something like that. It's the weakest defense in the book. But, you might as well stick with your crappy explanation now.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 01:07:26 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 12:39:50 pm

If I understand the situation correctly, Zathras has proven himself to be a psychic warden, but not necessarily town.

Well, maybe he is dopp. Regardless, I voted for Web because of it, saw Karmina changing his vote to me because of it and went for him.

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 12:39:50 pm

You're voting Web mostly because his theory contradicts your theory. Except his theory tries to avoid WIFOM, where your theory jumps right in with it. I think I like the theory with less WIFOM, myself.

Ahem. WIFOM is 'Wine In Front Of Me' and refers to the infinite possibility of "maybe he thought that I'd think that he thought that I'd think...", right?
His theory just straight-out accuses me/Mish of being exterminator for sole reason that he was unavailible for one night AND that there was no killing that night. Yes, possibility of actual exterminator not killing that night is WIFOMy, but it can't be just straight-out ignored. So basically his argument boils down to "my opponent is exterminator and he can't argue with it because he would be suspected of WIFOM". That's just... I don't know. I simply can't describe it. It's just unfair.

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 12:39:50 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 11:49:57 am

Wait-wait-wait, WHAT?
First of all, why isn't anybody even considering the possibility of exterminator not killing anyone, thus framing Mish?
Second, my vote on webadict was not based on OMGUS but instead on the facts I gathered - for all I know, Web is either the exterminator, or a dopp who wishes to pull a vote on a new player who probably won't put much of a defense because of not being familiar with the game.
Third, as I said, I suspect a team of Web-Karmina (the reasons being similar choice of targets, similar reasoning behind votes and the second immediatly changing his vote to re-balance the scales of voting). Name one reason for two people not familiar with each other have such similarities.

1. Probably because everybody in this game would like to see the Exterminator dead. The Exterminator is sought by town and dopp alike, so waiting around and not killing anyone is a pretty bad idea.
2. Your vote on Webadict was indeed not OMGUS. Your vote on Kamina was very OMGUS.
3. Because if you show two different people a blue duck, they're going to say it's a blue duck.

1. Is it better to just lynch a random townie just because of a random coincidence, who may additionally have some useful role than not kill anyone?
2. It wasn't. I voted for Web -> Karmina voted for me -> I guessed that Karmina was covering Web and that they are on the same team, which can only be dopps -> I voted for Karmina. Not that I'm bandwagoning, but I can only quote Ottofar and MBP on the subject that Karmina is thoroughly behind Web, which can only be either because a) Karmina is pro-town and somehow knows that Web is also pro-town (which is insanely impossible occurence in itself), that Ottofar and MBP are scum and I've voted for the wrong people or b) Karmina and Web are both scum (which seems to be right)
3. If you show two people a blue duck, they won't identically describe the chemical composition of paint on it and the properties of rubber from which it's made.

tl;dr:
1) What are accusations against me except Mish not being availible last night?
2) Why is everyone except Ottofar and MBP ignoring the reasons/consequences for the bond between Karmina and Web?

1. You OMGUS'd people who were accusing you. You gave a rather half-hearted defense of yourself. You claim to BE A TOWNIE (LAST I CHECKED, ALIEN ISN'T TOWN! BUT THAT'S OKAY!)
2. Yeah. How can I forget my ol' pal Kamina? Because that conveniently popped up as both of us were suspicious of you! I bet... just maybe... you'll suspect a three-man team should anyone else suspect you.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:04:05 pm

Other suspicions? I already gave two, with perfectly valid explanations about why I picked them. Do you expect me to start sputtering accusations like a witch under torture? And even if I will accuse someone else, it's going to be someone of those who posted something game-related since I replaced Mish, and the only ones who did voted for me, thus if I vote for them, I'll get another cry of OMGUS accusations. Thanks, I'll roll with Web and Karmina.

Oddly enough, you leave Jim alone. I've been feeling he was Town, but now I'm slightly suspicious. You seem to go extra easy on him, despite him having just as much reasoning as anyone else voting you.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:17:22 pm

Great, now I'm getting bandwagon'd without any reason whatsoever. Well, time to get desperate.

What if I say I'm an Agent Operative with an Assasin Bot and Stun Orb with me?

I'd say you're lying. I assume you'd also like to name Mr.Person as your Agent? So, basically, you used your inspection device on Janus... and didn't bother talking to your Agent? I mean, I can't argue about that part, as that was Mish, but I don't think that would happen.

Quote from: Dariush on December 01, 2010, 02:40:47 pm

At N1 Mish discovered the role of JTF, who's pro-town. At N2 he indeed did nothing.

Your astounding lack of knowledge on how the item works is... astounding. I mean, you're CLAIMING. You'd think you would make sure that you were getting it 100% right. As if your LIFE DEPENDS ON IT! This is also how I know you're lying.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 03:28:52 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 03:13:34 pm

It is really unfortunate that Agent Operative is a perfect claim for Exterminator Operative.

You and Ottofar are both wrong, and I'll tell you why.

These tech choices were made by Solifuge. Scanner is an obvious choice to verify that the Agent is town, and Assassin Bot combined with the Agent's inspect is a perfect combination. Stun Orb for the hell of it.

The tech choices are not the ones an Exterminator Operative would make.

Both of yours insistence to not believe the claim pretty much confirms to me that both of you are scum.

You're awfully defensive with this guy. He gives a rather crappy explanation for what he has and you're okay with it. (The Scanner thing didn't even bat an eye with you.) You think that Solifuge, being an Agent Operative wouldn't pick... Oh, I don't know...

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Scanner: Works once as a combination of the Agent and Detective, showing both Race and Role as well as any gadgets or tech possessed by the player. The scanner bypasses all role effects on investigation (such as the Kook or Dopp Leader). The scanner does not use up the Alien's action, nor does it trigger any responses by the target (such as PWV or Reporter watching a location). Can be taken as a two-use item for a Medium tech slot.

That? What does the Assassin Bot do for him?

Even more so, how did you know Solifuge had time to pick the Tech? He said he didn't have any time to play on the first Day, right? So, does that mean you KNOW he picked his Tech? It would make sense as you seem to know your Alien Tech, and what would be a good choice for an Agent Operative.

You'd also make a good fakeclaim for him, wouldn't you? Perhaps there was a little more to this then I was thinking, Jimmy boy?

I love how you even go so far as to CHAINSAW DEFEND Dariush. Seriously? Are you trying to protect him by jumping in front of the bus? Because you seem to be taking all of this at face value. First, you're voting for Dariush, and suddenly one terrible explanation is enough for you?!?

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 01, 2010, 04:38:04 pm

First off, unovte.
I believe Dariush's claim.  This style doesn't seem too out of the ordinary for him.  Look at the salad game.  He acted all reactionary and scummy, but flipped doc.  I think the consistency of his claim combined with this meta is enough to unovte him.
That said, this means my vote needs a new home.  And since it's now a tie between Ottofar and I, and I'm obviously not going to vote myself, I'm going to vote...
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Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 04:19:53 pm

Dariush is lying. He's the Exterminator.

Wait, do you know something we don't?  I'd like to know how you came to this conclusion.  My vote will wait until you've explained this.

He is definitely scum, and more than likely the Exterminator. He claimed he was Town in spite of knowing that claiming as an Agent Operative would DEFINITELY be pro-Town. Instead, he's freaking out fast.

He is definitely the Exterminator.

He is lying horribly about his role. He would've stated: the name of the Agent he was the Operative of, the exact role of JanusTwoface, and his general behavior. He OMGUS two people in a row, and has done an excellent job defending his reasoning, which is to say that he didn't. He's made no effort to recognize these, and I'm sure he'll kill me off tonight.

So, seriously, lynch him.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 06:58:38 pm

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 06:34:40 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 11:32:54 am

It seems we're working on what is, at best, circumstantial evidence.  There wasn't a kill last night when Mish wasn't around to post.  That's certainly a possibility, but it's not the only possibility.  Potentially, there's a dopp guardian who protected another dopp, and they're both keeping their mouths shut, or it could have been a WIFOM based no-kill (I doubt that.)

That said... Dariush isn't doing a good job of defending himself.  Both his votes are serious OMGUS votes.  He's acting scummy, and his only posted suspicions are against those who have recently voted him, but I'm not sold on him being the exty just yet.

Dariush:  If you're not the exterminator, who is?  Who do you think is a dopp?

As for myself, I'm thinking it's one of the scummy people who are out there, with my current guess being Ottofar.  His explanation of his vote on Kamina (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764374#msg1764374) is a regurgitation of the arguments of others, even going to quote the reasons of others as to why he's voting.  He's trying to hide in the background, and it's failing.

Dariush admitted that he didn't action, and why would the Dopps bother covering up themselves? They would look MORE townie by admitting something like that. They also would want to get rid of the Exterminator (Who would then suspect them of being Doppelgangers and use this information to try and lynch them).

I don't follow this at all. Care to elaborate or rephrase?

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 06:34:40 pm

Oddly enough, you leave Jim alone. I've been feeling he was Town, but now I'm slightly suspicious. You seem to go extra easy on him, despite him having just as much reasoning as anyone else voting you. [...]

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 03:28:52 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 03:13:34 pm

It is really unfortunate that Agent Operative is a perfect claim for Exterminator Operative.

You and Ottofar are both wrong, and I'll tell you why.
These tech choices were made by Solifuge. Scanner is an obvious choice to verify that the Agent is town, and Assassin Bot combined with the Agent's inspect is a perfect combination. Stun Orb for the hell of it.
The tech choices are not the ones an Exterminator Operative would make.
Both of yours insistence to not believe the claim pretty much confirms to me that both of you are scum.

You're awfully defensive with this guy. He gives a rather crappy explanation for what he has and you're okay with it. (The Scanner thing didn't even bat an eye with you.) You think that Solifuge, being an Agent Operative wouldn't pick... Oh, I don't know...

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Scanner: Works once as a combination of the Agent and Detective, showing both Race and Role as well as any gadgets or tech possessed by the player. The scanner bypasses all role effects on investigation (such as the Kook or Dopp Leader). The scanner does not use up the Alien's action, nor does it trigger any responses by the target (such as PWV or Reporter watching a location). Can be taken as a two-use item for a Medium tech slot.

That? What does the Assassin Bot do for him?

Even more so, how did you know Solifuge had time to pick the Tech? He said he didn't have any time to play on the first Day, right? So, does that mean you KNOW he picked his Tech? It would make sense as you seem to know your Alien Tech, and what would be a good choice for an Agent Operative.

You'd also make a good fakeclaim for him, wouldn't you? Perhaps there was a little more to this then I was thinking, Jimmy boy?

I love how you even go so far as to CHAINSAW DEFEND Dariush. Seriously? Are you trying to protect him by jumping in front of the bus? Because you seem to be taking all of this at face value. First, you're voting for Dariush, and suddenly one terrible explanation is enough for you?!?

It's an interesting point, but not too strong. The assassin bot does make sense for an agent-op: if the agent finds scum, the op kills them with the bot. Also, that's a rather weak chainsaw defence there. He's defending him, sure, but not really going after the others to do so; he calls them scum, sure, but he had done that before. I don't see him quite jumping in front of the bus. Still, it is true that they are using kid gloves on each other, and I'd like to see their explanation why, and the opinion of others.

Other than that, there is not much new in your post. You sort of implied additional knowledge earlier, but if you have it, you are not sharing it (which would make you scummy). Still, I see no choice but to fall back on my earlier position. Dariush's claim is quite persuasive, but I still find it more likely that his lack of action N2 is the reason for the missing Exterminator kill, which makes him the Exterminator we were looking for.

Vote Dariush.


However, to be fair:

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 06:34:40 pm

Not only do you severely overestimate my trigger-finger, intelligence, and foresight, but you've also assumed me to be on par with some sort of deity.

Come on, aren't we all guilty of that?

;-)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 07:00:22 pm

I think he'd be more likely to get the details if he was making a fake claim. The way it is, he's the replacement of a replacement. So he probably only got the names of the techs that Solifuge originally choose, not the details.

Basically I think that he's responding to a bad looking position and immmediately being attacked rather than because he's scum.

PFP

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 07:08:37 pm

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 06:34:40 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 03:28:52 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 01, 2010, 03:13:34 pm

It is really unfortunate that Agent Operative is a perfect claim for Exterminator Operative.

You and Ottofar are both wrong, and I'll tell you why.

These tech choices were made by Solifuge. Scanner is an obvious choice to verify that the Agent is town, and Assassin Bot combined with the Agent's inspect is a perfect combination. Stun Orb for the hell of it.

The tech choices are not the ones an Exterminator Operative would make.

Both of yours insistence to not believe the claim pretty much confirms to me that both of you are scum.

You're awfully defensive with this guy. He gives a rather crappy explanation for what he has and you're okay with it. (The Scanner thing didn't even bat an eye with you.) You think that Solifuge, being an Agent Operative wouldn't pick... Oh, I don't know...

Quote

Scanner: Works once as a combination of the Agent and Detective, showing both Race and Role as well as any gadgets or tech possessed by the player. The scanner bypasses all role effects on investigation (such as the Kook or Dopp Leader). The scanner does not use up the Alien's action, nor does it trigger any responses by the target (such as PWV or Reporter watching a location). Can be taken as a two-use item for a Medium tech slot.

That? What does the Assassin Bot do for him?

Even more so, how did you know Solifuge had time to pick the Tech? He said he didn't have any time to play on the first Day, right? So, does that mean you KNOW he picked his Tech? It would make sense as you seem to know your Alien Tech, and what would be a good choice for an Agent Operative.

You'd also make a good fakeclaim for him, wouldn't you? Perhaps there was a little more to this then I was thinking, Jimmy boy?

I love how you even go so far as to CHAINSAW DEFEND Dariush. Seriously? Are you trying to protect him by jumping in front of the bus? Because you seem to be taking all of this at face value. First, you're voting for Dariush, and suddenly one terrible explanation is enough for you?!?

The Assassin Bot lets the Agent and the Operative kill any scum they find without needing to claim or otherwise incriminate themselves through strange and sudden vote swaps.

But... why would an Exterminator take a Scanner, instead of, oh, I dunno, Intel? He has to get a Replicator first, in order to get the Scanner in the first place. The tech choices don't make all that much sense in the context of an Exterminator, but seem purposeful in the context of an Agent Operative.

And I'm only assuming that Solifuge made the tech choices. I've done that a lot this game, in case you haven't noticed. I assume that he wanted to play the game and made the tech choices only later to realize he would not be able to devote time to this game. This is not a terrible assumption to make.

And yeah, Ottofar and Argembarger are scum, and I've said as much earlier as Zathras just pointed out. Either way, an Exterminator or an Agent Operative is a threat to them so they lose nothing by choosing not to believe the claim and sitting back, hoping that he gets lynched.

...although that would make a lot more sense if both of them were voting Dariush, which I thought they were at the time. My mistake.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
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Dariush has 30 posts; the last 3 hours ago. Red text: Kamina: (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764586#msg1764586). Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702868#msg1702868)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703103#msg1703103)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703122#msg1703122)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704928#msg1704928)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706758#msg1706758)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708849#msg1708849)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709381#msg1709381)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709755#msg1709755)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709767#msg1709767)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709779#msg1709779)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709790#msg1709790)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709794#msg1709794)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709862#msg1709862)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1712251#msg1712251)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731321#msg1731321)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1762337#msg1762337)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1762451#msg1762451)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764338#msg1764338)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764495#msg1764495)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764586#msg1764586)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764596#msg1764596)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764637#msg1764637)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764675#msg1764675)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764745#msg1764745)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764781#msg1764781)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764844#msg1764844)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764868#msg1764868)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764928#msg1764928)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764961#msg1764961)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764981#msg1764981)
JanusTwoface has 52 posts; the last 0 hours ago. Red text: Ottofar (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1752060#msg1752060). Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702662#msg1702662)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702696#msg1702696)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702884#msg1702884)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702916#msg1702916)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702950#msg1702950)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703079#msg1703079)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703113#msg1703113)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703149#msg1703149)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703182#msg1703182)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703232#msg1703232)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703768#msg1703768)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703857#msg1703857)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703875#msg1703875)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703986#msg1703986)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703997#msg1703997)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704093#msg1704093)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705138#msg1705138)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706016#msg1706016)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706035#msg1706035)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706057#msg1706057)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706382#msg1706382)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707990#msg1707990)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709552#msg1709552)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710568#msg1710568)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710873#msg1710873)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728120#msg1728120)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728241#msg1728241)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728309#msg1728309)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728412#msg1728412)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730256#msg1730256)[31] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731218#msg1731218)[32] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731283#msg1731283)[33] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731413#msg1731413)[34] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731829#msg1731829)[35] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732753#msg1732753)[36] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739353#msg1739353)[37] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739499#msg1739499)[38] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740178#msg1740178)[39] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740358#msg1740358)[40] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1752060#msg1752060)[41] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1752122#msg1752122)[42] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1755448#msg1755448)[43] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1759939#msg1759939)[44] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1760742#msg1760742)[45] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763055#msg1763055)[46] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763102#msg1763102)[47] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763189#msg1763189)[48] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763303#msg1763303)[49] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765124#msg1765124)[50] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765154#msg1765154)[51] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765248#msg1765248)[52] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765367#msg1765367)
Jim Groovester has 116 posts; the last 0 hours ago. Red text: Ottofar (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764986#msg1764986). 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Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
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Toaster has 42 posts; the last 1 hours ago. Red text: Ottofar (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1752576#msg1752576). Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1702718#msg1702718)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703765#msg1703765)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703791#msg1703791)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704592#msg1704592)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704605#msg1704605)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704614#msg1704614)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704958#msg1704958)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706204#msg1706204)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707054#msg1707054)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1708938#msg1708938)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1710023#msg1710023)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728420#msg1728420)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728424#msg1728424)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728669#msg1728669)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729672#msg1729672)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730193#msg1730193)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1731395#msg1731395)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732287#msg1732287)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732939#msg1732939)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732947#msg1732947)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1732964#msg1732964)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1734292#msg1734292)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1736445#msg1736445)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1739385#msg1739385)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740063#msg1740063)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740684#msg1740684)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1752576#msg1752576)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1756041#msg1756041)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1757783#msg1757783)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1759489#msg1759489)[31] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1760249#msg1760249)[32] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1762081#msg1762081)[33] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1762178#msg1762178)[34] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1762426#msg1762426)[35] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1762867#msg1762867)[36] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763763#msg1763763)[37] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763843#msg1763843)[38] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764614#msg1764614)[39] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764652#msg1764652)[40] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764887#msg1764887)[41] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764900#msg1764900)[42] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765297#msg1765297)
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webadict has 37 posts; the last 0 hours ago. Red text: Mish (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763809#msg1763809). Posts: [1] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703441#msg1703441)[2] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703490#msg1703490)[3] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1703520#msg1703520)[4] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704460#msg1704460)[5] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704468#msg1704468)[6] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704476#msg1704476)[7] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704577#msg1704577)[8] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1704612#msg1704612)[9] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705531#msg1705531)[10] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705829#msg1705829)[11] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1705975#msg1705975)[12] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1706830#msg1706830)[13] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1707415#msg1707415)[14] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1709010#msg1709010)[15] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1711196#msg1711196)[16] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727685#msg1727685)[17] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727708#msg1727708)[18] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727800#msg1727800)[19] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727842#msg1727842)[20] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1728499#msg1728499)[21] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1729333#msg1729333)[22] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1730938#msg1730938)[23] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1740017#msg1740017)[24] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1741268#msg1741268)[25] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1741557#msg1741557)[26] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1759481#msg1759481)[27] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1760950#msg1760950)[28] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1761084#msg1761084)[29] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1761236#msg1761236)[30] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1761866#msg1761866)[31] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1763809#msg1763809)[32] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764328#msg1764328)[33] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764483#msg1764483)[34] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764751#msg1764751)[35] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765202#msg1765202)[36] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765259#msg1765259)[37] (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1765820#msg1765820)

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Replacements considered: Eduren => Argembarger; Mish => Dariush; Solifuge => Dariush.
The Morgue: Criptfeind: dead, town medium; Org: dead, town medium; Mr.Person: dead, town agent; Pandarsenic: dead, tough doppelganger; SHAD0Wdump: dead, town telepath.

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Notes:
1) The report now sorts alive players first, then dead, then nonplayers/mods.
2) The RedTextFinder is still experimental, but better than before; still, please let me know if your vote is incorrectly reflected.
3) I'm glad to say the AutoProd detected no lurkers! Great, you guys!
4) Yeah, I said I wouldn't, but then I did. Such is life.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 07:31:29 pm

A little worried about an Enchanter forcing a No Lynch.

PFP

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: webadict on December 01, 2010, 08:09:30 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 07:08:37 pm

But... why would an Exterminator take a Scanner, instead of, oh, I dunno, Intel? He has to get a Replicator first, in order to get the Scanner in the first place. The tech choices don't make all that much sense in the context of an Exterminator, but seem purposeful in the context of an Agent Operative.

You're right! Man, it's almost as if he's lying about it!

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 06:58:38 pm

Quote from: webadict on December 01, 2010, 06:34:40 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 01, 2010, 11:32:54 am

It seems we're working on what is, at best, circumstantial evidence.  There wasn't a kill last night when Mish wasn't around to post.  That's certainly a possibility, but it's not the only possibility.  Potentially, there's a dopp guardian who protected another dopp, and they're both keeping their mouths shut, or it could have been a WIFOM based no-kill (I doubt that.)

That said... Dariush isn't doing a good job of defending himself.  Both his votes are serious OMGUS votes.  He's acting scummy, and his only posted suspicions are against those who have recently voted him, but I'm not sold on him being the exty just yet.

Dariush:  If you're not the exterminator, who is?  Who do you think is a dopp?

As for myself, I'm thinking it's one of the scummy people who are out there, with my current guess being Ottofar.  His explanation of his vote on Kamina (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764374#msg1764374) is a regurgitation of the arguments of others, even going to quote the reasons of others as to why he's voting.  He's trying to hide in the background, and it's failing.

Dariush admitted that he didn't action, and why would the Dopps bother covering up themselves? They would look MORE townie by admitting something like that. They also would want to get rid of the Exterminator (Who would then suspect them of being Doppelgangers and use this information to try and lynch them).

I don't follow this at all. Care to elaborate or rephrase?

... It made more sense in my head. I think I meant that the Dopps shouldn't lie about a protection so that they'll look more townlike. But, that's just my thinking on how to be scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 3 - Replacement found
Post by: Mephansteras on December 01, 2010, 08:54:23 pm

The Whiteboard
KaminaSquirtle: Mysteriousbluepuppet, Ottofar, Dariush
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Toaster
Dariush: Argembarger, Zathras, webadict


  KaminaSquirtle looks at the whiteboard and picks up the shotgun.

  "Well, Otto, time for you to die."

  "Uh, but...wait. Can't we talk about this more?" stutters Ottofar, fear on his face.

  "No. It's damn late, we're all exhausted, and someone has to die. And the board there says that gets to be you." He levels the shotgun at Ottofar's chest.

  "No, wait!" Otto puts up his hands, but the guesture is in vain. The blast of the shotgun sends him staggering backwards, dark blood staining his shirt.

  "Damn you..." he mutters, before collapsing on the ground.

  You watch in anticipation, and soon his features begin to melt. Soon the smooth skin and long talons of a doppelganger lie before you.

  Tired, but wanting to finish things up before going to your homes, you check his house. There you find a policeman's uniform stained in blood. Your guess is that he was acting as a Guardian of some sort to protect the other doppelgangers.

  Things are looking up, but the danger is still present. You stagger off to your houses. Late as it is, some of you are not yet ready for sleep.

---

Night has fallen. Send in your actions!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Night 3
Post by: Mephansteras on December 03, 2010, 03:34:29 pm

 A cold wind blows across the town today, rattling shutters and nerves.

 You gather again at the courthouse. You eagerly clutch at hot mugs of coffee or tea as you wait for everyone to arrive

 Eventually, though, it becomes obvious that Mysteriousbluepuppet and Webadict will not be joining you.

 Resigned to more scenes of horror you trudge off to see what happened to them.

 At Mysterous’ house you find the side near his bedroom window blackened. The window itself is melted, a fist-sized hole letting light in through the charred glass. Heat still radiates from the glass and the smell of charred flesh fills the air. The victim lies on the ground near the bed. His entire torso has been burned, and you can clearly see bone poking through. Obviously human, at least. He groans slightly, and you see a finger twitch. With a rush you break the rest of the window move inside.

 “I....tried...to...protect.” He mumbles as you try to figure out how to save him. “Just wanted...wanted to...be...a hero.” Blood flecks fly out as he coughs. All you can do is reassure him that he was a hero.

 He dies a few moments later.

 Dully you head off to Webadict’s house. The scene here is undisturbed. No broken windows, the door securely locked. Eventually you force your way in and start searching the house. At a frightened yell you all rush to the office.

 Webadict is found slumped in a desk chair. Well, you think it was webadict, at least. The doppelganger in the chair is wearing his clothing, at least. Any worries of it attacking you are banished with a quick glance at his head, though. A hole has been burned clear through, even leaving a char mark on the wall behind.

 Examining the desk you find notes detailing previous victims. It seems he was the Leader of the doppelgangers. Unfortunately, there are no recent notes and nothing that gives you any clue as to who the remaining monster is.

 Feeling both elated and depressed you head back to the courthouse. The nightmare isn’t over yet. Not by a long shot.

---

Day 4 has begun. It will go until ~5pm Pacific Tuesday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: webadict on December 03, 2010, 03:39:44 pm

"...Oh, living on a prayer."

Hope you guys do well.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 03:54:03 pm

Living Players:
Zathras
JanusTwoface - Claimed Mad Scientist Day 2, backed by Dariush
Toaster
Jim Groovester
Argembarger
KaminaSquirtle
Leafsnail - Claimed Alien Survivor via PM
Dariush - Claimed Agent Operative Day 1

Other information:
- There is 1 Dopp left
- There is an Alien Exterminator about
- Dariush PMed me saying that he would Assassinbot Mysteriousbluepuppet, which is apperantly what happened.

Important question:
- Can anyone account for the lack of a Dopp kill?

---

If the two Alien claims are correct, that means we have 1 Dopp, 3 Aliens (2 town-aligned), and 4 Townies.  (Not saying that one/both aren't lying, surely possible.)

I think it's time to Mass Claim, but I'm not sure if it would be better to do so via PM or publically.  I've already claimed everything I've done, so it doesn't matter much to me.

Everyone: thoughts on Mass Claim (both if and how)?

Right now, I think that the most likely Dopps are KaminaSquirtle and Argembarger, in that order.

I think that the Exterminator is either Jim Groovester or Leafsnail fake claiming.  Need an answer to the Important Question above first though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 04:09:24 pm

How about a popcorn style mass claim? You or Dariush or Leaf should start it because you've already claimed. I think it should definitely happen, though.

At work now, I'll share my thoughts in a few hours.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 04:14:23 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 04:09:24 pm

How about a popcorn style mass claim? You or Dariush or Leaf should start it because you've already claimed. I think it should definitely happen, though.

The second sentence doesn't really make much sense.  All three have already claimed our roles and all actions.  So we don't start the claim, we don't have anything more to claim. If/when there's a Mass Claim, those are the only three that *can't* start it.

(Unless one of them was lying and are going to claim it now. But that would be a good way to get lynched, so I doubt it's going to happen even if they were.)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 03, 2010, 04:15:17 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 03:54:03 pm

Important question:
- Can anyone account for the lack of a Dopp kill?

I'm no expert on the flavour, but it does seem that MBP was hit by a bot and Wuba by an exterminator, yes? If not, please do say so.

If there was indeed no dopp kill, then I can confidently account for it: I blocked Argembarger last night. Arg, care to say anything about that?

If I'm right, then I've hit scum twice with my blocks, and Wuba was scum as I had been saying all along! Who's your daddy? * dances victory dance *

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 04:36:48 pm

Fine.  I have no problem with a mass claim.  I have nothing to hide.  It may help finding the scum.
I am an observant guard.
I protected Jim N1 and N2, since I was most sure of him being town then, and N2 I was fairly sure of Zathras blocking me, so it didn't matter too much anyway.  N3 I protected Zathras, since I was almost sure he was town, and hoped that my confirmation of him being warden would mean that innocent looking enough to be worth nking.  He may have been, the dopps didn't get a kill tonight.

I believe Zathras's claim, since I know he's a warden and almost certainly town.  Argembarger, explain right now why you shouldn't be hung for this.

At first I didn't believe Leaf's claim, since it came conveniently after a dopp guardian was revealed, so I thought that he was trying protect against the exterminator killing him, claiming to be a survivor, to live one more night.
But now that Zathras has claimed that Argembarger is scum, and Webadict flipped scum tonight, I no longer think that Leaf is lying, since there aren't enough scum left to account for that.

But wait, how did MBP die again?  That wasn't some sort of protection, was it?  If it wasn't, then wasn't the flavor for the damage exty, and so that was a kill by an exty bot?  Or was that just how it is for all aliens?
This flavor has so many details, and every one is so essential.

But it doesn't matter if we lynch exty or dopp tonight, we take out a nk either way.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Toaster on December 03, 2010, 04:50:05 pm

Here's my claim vote:  I'm a Detective.

N1: Kamina- he's telling the truth.
N2: Zathras- he's telling the truth.
N3: Dariush- he's telling the truth.


I'm low on time, but I say Argembarger should hang- I looked over overnight and he was my top choice, and Zath's claim pretty much nails it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 05:03:57 pm

Public mass claim it is then apparently. Shiny.

Jim Groovester and Argembarger, we still need your claims.

Once they're in, I have a nice table to post.  Including one bit of useful information that I'm withholding until the last two claims are in. I'll explain then.

---

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 04:36:48 pm

At first I didn't believe Leaf's claim, since it came conveniently after a dopp guardian was revealed, so I thought that he was trying protect against the exterminator killing him, claiming to be a survivor, to live one more night.

What Dopp Guardian?  There was the potential for that (still is for that matter), but the most damning evidence (catching a lie) never appeared. 

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 04:36:48 pm

But wait, how did MBP die again?  That wasn't some sort of protection, was it?  If it wasn't, then wasn't the flavor for the damage exty, and so that was a kill by an exty bot?  Or was that just how it is for all aliens?
This flavor has so many details, and every one is so essential.

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 03, 2010, 03:34:29 pm

The window itself is melted, a fist-sized hole letting light in through the charred glass.

This part makes me think 'Alien'

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 03, 2010, 03:34:29 pm

Heat still radiates from the glass and the smell of charred flesh fills the air.
...
He groans slightly, and you see a finger twitch.

These make me think 'morning kill' (Assassin Bot being the only thing that does that right now)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2010, 05:06:43 pm

I have the worst role in all of Paranormal. I am a Townsperson, and I am also a Kook.

I'm sure you all have questions. Let's get them over with.

Quote from: Zathras on December 03, 2010, 04:15:17 pm

If there was indeed no dopp kill, then I can confidently account for it: I blocked Argembarger last night. Arg, care to say anything about that?

Yep, this pretty much clinches it.

Argembarger.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 04:36:48 pm

N3 I protected Zathras, since I was almost sure he was town, and hoped that my confirmation of him being warden would mean that innocent looking enough to be worth nking.  He may have been, the dopps didn't get a kill tonight.

That's not how Guard protects work. If Zathras was targeted for a night kill, you would be dead. You give up your life in exchange for his.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 04:36:48 pm

But wait, how did MBP die again?  That wasn't some sort of protection, was it?  If it wasn't, then wasn't the flavor for the damage exty, and so that was a kill by an exty bot?  Or was that just how it is for all aliens?
This flavor has so many details, and every one is so essential.

I assume it's general alien Assassin Bot. Plasma beams and charring stuff is alien technology at work.

MBP wasn't protecting anyone because he died in his home.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 05:16:25 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 05:03:57 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 04:36:48 pm

At first I didn't believe Leaf's claim, since it came conveniently after a dopp guardian was revealed, so I thought that he was trying protect against the exterminator killing him, claiming to be a survivor, to live one more night.

What Dopp Guardian?  There was the potential for that (still is for that matter), but the most damning evidence (catching a lie) never appeared. 

Otto was a dopp guardian.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2010, 05:06:43 pm

That's not how Guard protects work. If Zathras was targeted for a night kill, you would be dead. You give up your life in exchange for his.

I know that.  I meant they may have still tried to kill him, but they were blocked tonight by his warden power.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 05:03:57 pm

This part makes me think 'Alien'
These make me think 'morning kill' (Assassin Bot being the only thing that does that right now)

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2010, 05:06:43 pm

I assume it's general alien Assassin Bot. Plasma beams and charring stuff is alien technology at work.

MBP wasn't protecting anyone because he died in his home.

Ok.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 05:25:11 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 05:03:57 pm

Public mass claim it is then apparently. Shiny.

Jim Groovester and Argembarger, we still need your claims.

It has been an hour and a half since the day has started.

I am still at work. Jegus, man.

But fine, I'm a Vengeful Guard.
N1, Eduren protected Zathras.
N2, I protected Jim.
N3, I was blocked. Chains flavor.

Also, Jim is lying. He is the exterminator, and he will win this game if not stopped.

There. I went out of my way to post, again, at work. I'm a goddamn slacker, I really should stop playing mafia on the clock.

I will post later, when I am home.

ALSO: For the record, what I meant when I said JTF, Leaf, or Dariush should start the mass claim, is...

Actually, do you even know what popcorn style is? It's when one person claims, then states who should claim next. This continues until everyone has claimed.

What I meant is that you, Leaf or Dariush should state who claims first. Not claim. Gah.

Anyway, Be Back Later, Okay.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 05:34:04 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 03, 2010, 05:16:25 pm

Otto was a dopp guardian.

Oooof course he was...

I just read Dopp and stopped.  At least that clears up the missing Guardian from yesterday.  I feel silly now.

Quote from: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 05:25:11 pm

It has been an hour and a half since the day has started.

I am still at work. Jegus, man.

I'm sorry if that came out sounding harsh.  I didn't mean it too.  I was just saying that I had all of the information except the two of yours.

Quote from: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 05:25:11 pm

N3, I was blocked. Chains flavor.

For the sake of completeness, who did you target N3?

Quote from: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 05:25:11 pm

Actually, do you even know what popcorn style is? It's when one person claims, then states who should claim next. This continues until everyone has claimed.

Huh. No, I've never heard of that. Makes a little more sense now.

---

I'll post a full list of what I have in just a bit.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2010, 05:41:26 pm

Yeah.  A "fresh corpse" seriously implies a morningkill, and the burning flavour probably just shows it was an alien.

Argembarger.  The chance that Zathras blocked you last night seems the greatest.  And, well, at this point, I just want the last couple of scum to die as quickly as possible.

...Although, actually, another possibility occurs to me.  What if the dopps hit the exterminator last night?  Well, if that's the case, the exty should die soon anyway.

Now, for the town's general tactic: go the cheap route.  Toaster should detectivise people to confirm their roles.  Kamina should guard him (if Toaster dies anyway, we know Kamina's scum).  Zathras can block lock everyone else.

I think JanusTwoFace is actually now a confirmed townie.  Toaster has said that Dariush is an Agent Operative (a town only role).  Dariush has said that Jim has been scanned as town.  In order for Janus to be scum, all three of them would need to be on the same scum team - and, the largest team we could possibly have has only 2 people on.  As such, he could probably coordinate the town.

Also, one more thing: I didn't fully claim last night.  I also have a mind shield.  Yeah, sucks.  On the other hand, we have a dectective, so it shouldn't matter too much.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 05:45:41 pm

Now that everyone has claimed, the one extra bit of information that I had is that Dariush claims to have used his Stun Orb on Webadict last night.

Which means that are two perfectly logical explination for what happened, and I'm actually leaning strongly towards the Webadict theory.  Everyone else (except Jim) has an active role so using the Leader to make the night kills makes sense.

Argembarger definately could still be scum, but it's not certain.

Spoiler: What I know (click to show/hide)

Zathras - Psychic Warden (Day 2)
  (role by KaminaSquirtle & Argembarger & Toaster)
N1 - Blocked Pandarsenic
N2 - Blocked KaminaSquirtle
N3 - Blocked Argembarger

JanusTwoface - Military Mad Scientist, Assassin Bot (Day 2)
  (role & alignment by Dariush)
N1 - Killed Org
N2 - none
N3 - none

Toaster - Detective (Day 4)
N1 - Inspected KaminaSquirtle (Observant Guard)
N2 - Inspected Zathras (Psychic Warden)
N3 - Inspected Dariush (Agent Operative)

Jim Groovester - Kook Townie (Day 4)
  (claimed Kook Townie to me in a PM a while ago)
N1 - none
N2 - none
N3 - none

Eduren/Argembarger - Vengeful Guard
N1 - Protected Zathras
N2 - Protected Jim Groovester
N3 - Protectetd , blocked by Zathras

KaminaSquirtle - Observant Guard
  (role by Toaster)
N1 - Guarded Jim Groovester
N2 - Guarded Jim Groovester, blocked by Zathras
N3 - Guarded Zathras

Leafsnail - Alien Survivor, Personal Shield (Night 3)
N1 - none
N2 - Shielded against doppkill
N3 - none

Solifuge/Mish/Dariush - Agent Operative, Scanner, Assassin Bot, Stun Orb (Day 3)
  (role by Toaster, techs by actions)
N1 - Scanned JanusTwoface (Human)
N2 - none
N3 - Killed Mysteriousbluepuppet, Stunned Webadict

If anything's wrong or if I missed anything let me know.

I'm working through all of the different likely possibilities, but that's going to take a bit.  I'll be back in a while.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 03, 2010, 05:54:26 pm

Uh, 2 errors from my bit: I was actually shielded from an exterminator kill on night 2.  And I have a natural mindshield.

The thing I can immediately see is that out of the 8 remaining players:

- Janus is basically confirmed.  He can't be the exterminator.
- Zathras has used the chains flavour.  He can't be the exterminator.
- Kaminasquirtle has been detective'd AND wardened.  He's pretty unlikely as the exterminator (although with a combination of operatives, modulator and advanced mind shield, I guess it could happen).
- Argembarger has been wardened.  He's pretty unlikely as the exterminator (and he's probably dying today anyway).
- Dariush has been detected.  Well, it's still possible, but I'd say unlikely once again.

This leaves me, Jim and Toaster.  Toaster, please start investigating us.  It'd actually make more sense to investigate one of us twice to prevent the modulator.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 06:42:54 pm

Tonight I had attempted to protect JanusTwoFace.

Now then, here is my solemn pledge. I am going to be frantically doing a physics assignment until 9:00 PM EST. (finals week starts monday, I'm freaking out a bit about that). After that, next time you see me online, know ye this: I will be actively typing out my conclusions regarding the Exterminator and the remaining dopp.

However much minuscule weight my words and ideas have at this point, being such a new player, let alone such a highly suspected one, I nevertheless feel it necessary to express them.

I apologize that I cannot do this right now, but my grades are important to me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2010, 06:48:43 pm

Why'd you pick the targets you did? What were your reasons?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Toaster on December 04, 2010, 12:06:24 am

Right, more detail.

The Argembarger case is first up, since I had said I'd deliver on him.

Exhibits A through D:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1758899#msg1758899
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1760057#msg1760057
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1762867#msg1762867
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1764706#msg1764706

A is day three.  After several people point out he's active lurking, he flips his lid at Janus; a complete change of tactics.  By the time post B rolls around, he's deflated off his baseless attack and gone back to whack-a-lurker.  C shows me calling him out for a scummy move.   The D part is below his slash marker.  He's backing off an earlier suspicion for a weak reason, and follows it up with idle speculation.

The Webadict block takes him back from almost certain scum to likely scum, though.  It'd be silly for a dopp other than the leader to be doing the kills, as another power role (especially a guard role in an exterminator situation) should be doing its thing.

If Argem *isn't* dopp, then it's Kamina, mostly by process of elimination.  I don't see that as very likely, though.


I'm going to be gone this weekend, so this is probably my last post until Sunday night, just FYI.  I'll round up weekend issues then.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 04, 2010, 05:50:52 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 03, 2010, 05:41:26 pm

I think JanusTwoFace is actually now a confirmed townie.  Toaster has said that Dariush is an Agent Operative (a town only role).  Dariush has said that Jim has been scanned as town.  In order for Janus to be scum, all three of them would need to be on the same scum team - and, the largest team we could possibly have has only 2 people on.  As such, he could probably coordinate the town.

I didn't say that Jim was scanned, it was JTF.

Personally I suspect Jim but considering the majority's vote on Argembarger I doubt that counts for much. I came to that conclusion is because everyone except Argembarget and Jim has been verified (in order for Kamina to be scum, he needs to be on the same team as Toaster, which is impossible, even though his behavior is highly suspicious) and Jim is the one who hasn't put up any defense whatsoever.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Argembarger on December 04, 2010, 01:47:48 pm

Alright then.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2010, 06:48:43 pm

Why'd you pick the targets you did? What were your reasons?

Dunno what Eduren's motives were. I can only speculate, but it doesn't seem all that important to me. It could have just been a random block for all I know, or maybe Eduren knew something about Zath at the time.
Day 2, I replaced in. As much as I hate to play the noob card here, I was kind of overwhelmed by the complexity of what was going on, and when Night 1 came around, I just latched on to the person who I was most certain of being town at the time, which was Jim. He was very aggressively attacking people, and I just figured he was likely to be targeted.
Day 3.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 01, 2010, 03:53:57 pm

Schemey potential plan:
Dariush can verify my alignment if we can verify his role and we seem to have at least one Guardian about (although they might be a dopp).

After my initial misadventures in attacking JTF, once I saw his plan described, protecting him seemed the right thing to do. Dariush getting killed would have confirmed that JTF was telling the truth. But JTF getting killed would have led us nowhere.
Of course, I got blocked, but hey, that all ended up working out for the best, since neither of them died.

The simultaneous blocking of me and lack of a dopp kill is extremely unfortunate, but remember that Webadict was stunned, so Webadict was most likely handling their kill tonight, which is rational as he is the Dopp Leader.

In case of the off chance that I don't actually get lynched today, you guys obviously can make use of my services as a vengeful guard. Protect a townie, and if they get attacked, you'll have a dead Dopp or Exterminator (barring a plasma bomb or advanced targeting system) AND you'll know for sure what I am since I'll die too. Probably not the best plan, but hey, it's an option.

So, anyway, here are my thoughts, for those who care:

Zathras: Double-confirmed doubleplusgood Psychic Warden. Next.

Dariush and Toaster basically confirmed each other. Alright, I see no reason not to believe them, moving on.

JanusTwoFace: Confirmed via Dariush, as per his plan. Since Dariush and Toaster confirmed each other, this can be believed.

Leafsnail: It's pretty likely his claim is true. Dunno why a survivor would lie about being a survivor. Seems like something you'd only admit out of desperation.

Brings things down to Jim, Kamina and me. Why was Webadict targeted by the Exterminator last night? Beyond the obvious Dopps-and-Exterminators-hate-each-other. Dariush proving himself to be the Agent Operative threw Web's argument off the tracks, but we cannot negate Web's points just because he flipped Dopp, because Dopps and Exterminators are enemies.

No, Webadict was on the right track, he just had the wrong target. The Exterminator knew this. The Exterminator needed Web gone.

Jim claiming Kook is inconsequential. Toaster won't get the chance to investigate him anyway. Kamina won't protect him if he actually wants to live, and Toaster will turn up dead tomorrow.

My solution: Lynch Jim, investigate Kamina. I'll protect Toaster, and because I'm vengeful and will actually kill whoever attacks him, we can kill (if Toaster is attacked) or confirm (once Toaster reveals his investigation) scum tonight, and you'll know I'm telling the truth.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 03:14:43 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 04, 2010, 05:50:52 am

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 03, 2010, 05:41:26 pm

I think JanusTwoFace is actually now a confirmed townie.  Toaster has said that Dariush is an Agent Operative (a town only role).  Dariush has said that Jim has been scanned as town.  In order for Janus to be scum, all three of them would need to be on the same scum team - and, the largest team we could possibly have has only 2 people on.  As such, he could probably coordinate the town.

I didn't say that Jim was scanned, it was JTF.

Personally I suspect Jim but considering the majority's vote on Argembarger I doubt that counts for much. I came to that conclusion is because everyone except Argembarget and Jim has been verified (in order for Kamina to be scum, he needs to be on the same team as Toaster, which is impossible, even though his behavior is highly suspicious) and Jim is the one who hasn't put up any defense whatsoever.

What are you talking about? I didn't put up any defense whatsoever because nobody bothered attacking me. If you've got questions, noobnuts, ask them, but don't vote me for something that isn't scummy to do.

And how do you figure everybody's been verified? People's roles have been verified but in many cases not alignment. For example, your alignment depends on Toaster telling the truth. And nobody can verify Leafsnail's claim.

This is suspicious.

MOD: How would an Agent Operative appear to a Detective inspect? Would they get the full role name including the Agent part, or would they just come up as an Operative?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 04, 2010, 03:17:22 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 03:14:43 pm

And how do you figure everybody's been verified? People's roles have been verified but in many cases not alignment. For example, your alignment depends on Toaster telling the truth. And nobody can verify Leafsnail's claim.

This is suspicious.

Because we can totally verify your role?

In actual fact, I can be verified by 2 Toaster scannings.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 03:20:09 pm

That wasn't my point and you know it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 04, 2010, 03:29:41 pm

Well, what is your point then?  That the Exterminator and Doppelganger are working together?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 03:33:23 pm

Why don't you be completely dense about it.

I take issue with Dariush's assertion that everybody is verified. I provide counterexamples. I ask him about it.

Why don't you be completely dense about this.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 04, 2010, 07:12:01 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 03:14:43 pm

MOD: How would an Agent Operative appear to a Detective inspect? Would they get the full role name including the Agent part, or would they just come up as an Operative?

For this game a Detective would see the full Role name.

I think I'll change that in the future.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 08:12:12 pm

Alright, thanks.

Anyways, here's what I think we should do over the night. Instead of doing Detective inspects to look for the Exterminator we should be doing Psychic Warden blocks because the Exterminator has a Mind Shield by default and because of Holoform Modulators role inspects are unreliable. So:

1) Lynch Argembarger, he is scum, hooray.
2) Zathras blocks Toaster.
3) KaminaSquirtle protects Zathras.

If Toaster has a Mind Shield, we lynch him tomorrow because he would obviously be the Exterminator at that point, what with an unclaimed Mind Shield.

If he doesn't, we lynch Leafsnail, because he's claimed Mind Shield and is an alien and that's two for three for the Exterminator and he probably has a Holoform Modulator with how he wants to be inspected twice.

If neither Leafsnail nor Toaster is the Exterminator, then the next day after that, lynch me because who else is it going to be.

We run into obvious problems if the Exterminator has an Advanced Mind Shield, but there's no way for us to know that. We run into even more obvious problems if Argembarger isn't scum.

But I think this is the best way to proceed through the next few days and nights. Thoughts? I'm biased, of course, since I know that I'm not the Exterminator so this plan is geared towards investigating the people I think are most likely to be the Exterminator. Since I have no part in the operation of the plan I can not protest if people want to change the details of who does what to whom.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 05, 2010, 04:24:06 am

There's so much wrong with your argument that I won't even bother quoting individual errors.
1) About me and Toaster - the ONLY reason for him to be lying is to be in the same team with me. There's one dopp and exterminator about, so that's impossible.
2) I'm pretty sure that you claimed to be a Kook just so on inspection you would turn up as a dopp (if I remember the rules correctly)
3) I said that everyone was confirmed because everyone has claimed and your claim and Leafsnail's are the only ones that don't fit into the picture.
4) You offer to lynch Argembarger just because you aren't Exterminator. If he isn't scum, then... we should just wait until tomorrow and lynch someone else?

However, there is one point in what you said. Leafsnail has also offered to just waste time on checking him, so I guess you are the dopp (because of Kook claiming) and he's the exterminator.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 05:01:40 am

1) Yes, exactly. If Toaster can be verified to not be the Exterminator then you and he are both cleared. This is why it's a good idea to block Toaster first, because it investigates two people at once.
2) Or another possibility: I am actually a Kook. Somebody has to be the kook in a Paranormal. In this game it was me. True fact: If I were a dopp I could have chosen not to believe your claim and instead lynch you over Ottofar. Why would I unnecessarily bus a a fellow dopp, especially one with a role so valuable? That would've done the dopp team a lot of good. Get rid of a town Assassin Bot, possibly protect against an Exterminator kill. Things to think about.
3) That's not the usual definition of confirmed. Being confirmed means that by role action one is unavoidably a role and alignment. There are many people who are not confirmed right now but at this point that doesn't matter too much. Role claims not fitting in a certain picture is not the definition of confirmed.
4) I don't offer to lynch Argembarger at all. I vote to lynch him because I think he is scum. I see no offering anywhere. Also, the plan I proposed makes the assumption that Argembarger is scum like I believe him to be. Obviously if he isn't then there's going to have to be a serious rethinking of town strategy.

Quote from: Dariush on December 05, 2010, 04:24:06 am

There's so much wrong with your argument that I won't even bother quoting individual errors.

Arrogance suits you poorly.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 05, 2010, 05:31:49 am

1) So, you mean that Toaster is exterminator and lied, somehow managing to get correct guesses about those he 'detected'? Hm, that makes sense, however I don't think it is likely. Will block by Zathras also prevent his detect? If no, I guess it is a good idea to block him.
2) Hm. MODERATOR, is it true that there MUST be a Kook?
3) By 'confirmed' I meant 'his role is known and he is not a scum'.
4) By 'offered to lynch' I meant 'voted for him'. Also, I'm absolutely sure that Argembarger isn't scum; as I pointed out earlier, there was no dopp kill not because Zathras blocked him, but because I stunned Web. However, you seem to ignore that argument and not offer any reasons whatsoever as to why he's scum.

I guess that extends the list of possible scum to include Toaster, but you are still at the top of it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 05, 2010, 07:07:18 am

Derp derp advanced mindshield derp

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 05, 2010, 07:14:52 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 08:12:12 pm

1) Lynch Argembarger, he is scum, hooray.
2) Zathras blocks Toaster.
3) KaminaSquirtle protects Zathras.

Wait, sorry, Zathras blocks the guy who can let us find the exterminator for sure?

Wow, you're totally town.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 08:12:12 pm

If he doesn't, we lynch Leafsnail, because he's claimed Mind Shield and is an alien and that's two for three for the Exterminator and he probably has a Holoform Modulator with how he wants to be inspected twice.

I want to be inspected twice to eliminate the possibility of a Holoform Modulator, numbnuts.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 08:12:12 pm

If neither Leafsnail nor Toaster is the Exterminator, then the next day after that, lynch me because who else is it going to be.

Lol.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 04, 2010, 08:12:12 pm

We run into obvious problems if the Exterminator has an Advanced Mind Shield

You don't say.  From how you've been acting, I'm totally sure you don't have one.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 05:01:40 am

1) Yes, exactly. If Toaster can be verified to not be the Exterminator then you and he are both cleared. This is why it's a good idea to block Toaster first, because it investigates two people at once means he won't get an exterminator result on me.

Fixed.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 05:01:40 am

2) Or another possibility: I am actually a Kook. Somebody has to be the kook in a Paranormal. In this game it was me. True fact: If I were a dopp I could have chosen not to believe your claim and instead lynch you over Ottofar. Why would I unnecessarily bus a a fellow dopp, especially one with a role so valuable? That would've done the dopp team a lot of good. Get rid of a town Assassin Bot, possibly protect against an Exterminator kill. Things to think about.

Lol.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 05, 2010, 11:23:33 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 05, 2010, 05:31:49 am

2) Hm. MODERATOR, is it true that there MUST be a Kook?

No Roles or Abilities are required for Paranormal.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

Hmmm.... there are complexities here. First off, unvote. I did block Arg, but the stun orb on web does make my block on him less than definitive. I'll come back to this in a second.

First, on Jim:

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2010, 05:06:43 pm

I have the worst role in all of Paranormal. I am a Townsperson, and I am also a Kook.

I find this very suspicious. However:

Quote from: Jim

2) Or another possibility: I am actually a Kook. Somebody has to be the kook in a Paranormal. In this game it was me. True fact: If I were a dopp I could have chosen not to believe your claim and instead lynch you over Ottofar.

Nothing says there must be a kook; but it is true that your bussing Ottofar would make no sense.

Quote from: Jim

MBP wasn't protecting anyone because he died in his home.

I don't think we know this for sure, as it seems to have been a morning kill. He could have gone out, protected someone who wasn't hit, then came back home at the end of the night, then got hit by the bot. Still, it does seem to mean he didn't die while protecting someone.

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 04, 2010, 03:29:41 pm

Well, what is your point then?  That the Exterminator and Doppelganger are working together?

This is not too far-fetched. They can't coordinate, true, but a mislynch would benefit both, and one lying to temporarily shield the other would not be a bad choice. They both have almost lost, so it could be a long shot to try and salvage something to hurt town.

---

Second, on Arg/Eduren:

Quote from: Argembarger on December 03, 2010, 05:25:11 pm

But fine, I'm a Vengeful Guard.
N1, Eduren protected Zathras.

Quote from: Argembarger on December 04, 2010, 01:47:48 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 03, 2010, 06:48:43 pm

Why'd you pick the targets you did? What were your reasons?

Dunno what Eduren's motives were. I can only speculate, but it doesn't seem all that important to me. It could have just been a random block for all I know, or maybe Eduren knew something about Zath at the time.

Oh, I know, and I have to say: Awwwww....

Quote from: Zathras on November 02, 2010, 04:53:51 pm

Quote from: Eduren on November 02, 2010, 04:32:24 pm

Quote from: Zathras on November 01, 2010, 03:24:59 pm

Me! me! me! pick meee! in!
...been waiting for this for months. Don't you bastards dare kill me D1/N1!

First one to kill Zathras wins.

You killed Zathras! You bastards!  8-/
Srsly u guis... I want to play this game. If you kill me D1/N1, I'll spam the thread (and ALL THE OTHER THREADS) with limericks... FOREVEEEEEER! Don't make me unleash the limerickraken!

Eduren, darling, you were protecting me to ensure the forum's limerick-free existence... and letting me have a fair shake at the game. That was awfully nice of you. * blows kiss at Eduren *

---

On JTF's list (comments inline in purple):

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 03, 2010, 05:45:41 pm

Zathras - Psychic Warden (Day 2)
  (role by KaminaSquirtle & Argembarger & Toaster)
N1 - Blocked Pandarsenic, N2 - Blocked KaminaSquirtle, N3 - Blocked Argembarger

Toaster - Detective (Day 4)
N1 - Inspected KaminaSquirtle (Observant Guard), N2 - Inspected Zathras (Psychic Warden), N3 - Inspected Dariush (Agent Operative)
There is no independent confirmation on his claim, and "he's telling the truth" three nights in a row is the most non-committal possible claim. If any of them were not telling the truth, they wouldn't claim to correct him in any case. Toaster goes up in my suspicion list.

JanusTwoface - Military Mad Scientist, Assassin Bot (Day 2)
  (role & alignment by Dariush)
N1 - Killed Org, N2 - none, N3 - none
I'm not sold on the notion that he's confirmed townie. Only Dariush confirmed him, and in turn Toaster confirmed him. His play has been townie enough, but he can play a mean scum game by being too pro-town for our own good. If Dariush is the ext, as I mention later, then JTF could be the ext-op, would have the tech to kill Org, and would be the obvious target of Dariush later claiming PMs; he has gone far to try to clear Dariush.

Jim Groovester - Kook Townie (Day 4)
  (claimed Kook Townie to me in a PM a while ago)
N1 - none, N2 - none, N3 - none
Also no independent confirmation, and a claim of kook VT is the safest fakeclaim for a dopp (not so much for an exty, but still). Can you be more specific on his PM'd claim to you? When, and what else did he say? Did it raise your suspicions at the time?

Eduren/Argembarger - Vengeful Guard
N1 - Protected Zathras, N2 - Protected Jim Groovester, N3 - Protected JTF, blocked by Zathras
No independent confirmation, but plausible. Unfortunately, your play, votes and night actions are also compatible with being the last dopp. If so, you probably tried to protect wuba last night instead of JTF.

KaminaSquirtle - Observant Guard
  (role by Toaster)
N1 - Guarded Jim Groovester, N2 - Guarded Jim Groovester, blocked by Zathras, N3 - Guarded Zathras
See above about my mistrust of Toaster's claim; however I am pretty sold that Kamina is not scum, mostly because he could have had me lynched easily earlier and he didn't, and has been going against possible dopps & aliens equally strongly. Still, a possibility.

Leafsnail - Alien Survivor, Personal Shield (Night 3)
N1 - none, N2 - Shielded against doppkill, N3 - none
Plausible, but fishy. Alternative possibility: the ext did indeed not act on N2, and Leaf claimed he did, on him, "spending his shield" to clear himself.

Solifuge/Mish/Dariush - Agent Operative, Scanner, Assassin Bot, Stun Orb (Day 3)
  (role by Toaster, techs by actions)
N1 - Scanned JanusTwoface (Human), N2 - none, N3 - Killed Mysteriousbluepuppet, Stunned Webadict
My objections to Toaster's claim remain, and I point out that without that bit, he could still be the exty; bots and orbs do not use up the ext's actions, he could have killed MBP, stunned and killed wuba last night.

As I said, complications. If my count is right (please tell me if it isn't!) there's one dopp, one exterminator, and maybe an exterminator operative still about, yes? I find it plausible that the dopp & ext are at least not all out to get each other at the moment, as a mislynch would benefit both.

I think the Exterminator is one of Toaster, Dariush or Jim. The dopp is probably Argembarger, or maybe Leafsnail. The ext-op could be JTF or Leafsnail.

So, Toaster. Mostly because I don't trust his inspection results ("they all told the truth" is far too convenient a fakeclaim), but I'll support a lynch of Dariush or Argembarger as well.


Mod: clarification please: An operative gets 1 medium tech and 2 small, yes? Can the two small be exchanged for one medium? By this I mean: can an operative get both an assassin bot and combat camo? Also, the ext and ext-op can share tech; how does this work with combat camo? Say the ext chose camo, but gave it to the op for night one, then the ext's kill will not be masked, but the op's kill would, yes?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

As I said, complications. If my count is right (please tell me if it isn't!) there's one dopp, one exterminator, and maybe an exterminator operative still about, yes? I find it plausible that the dopp & ext are at least not all out to get each other at the moment, as a mislynch would benefit both.

What makes you think they're not out to get each other? The Exterminator killed webadict last night. There's no reason to assume that just because a mislynch benefits both of them that they're going to work together towards that. They'd probably both really like it if the other was lynched today so they don't have to worry about getting night killed.

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 05, 2010, 07:07:18 am

Derp derp advanced mindshield derp

No shit, Sherlocke. If you've got a problem with my plan then think of a better one.

ohwait youre the exterminator you dont care

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 05, 2010, 07:14:52 am

I want to be inspected twice to eliminate the possibility of a Holoform Modulator, numbnuts.

But the Holoform Modulator is exactly why role inspects are unreliable.

What's to stop whoever the Exterminator is from just killing Toaster tomorrow night after he gets whatever inspect the Holoform Modulator gives him? This is your plan, isn't it?

Quote from: Dariush on December 05, 2010, 05:31:49 am

1) So, you mean that Toaster is exterminator and lied, somehow managing to get correct guesses about those he 'detected'? Hm, that makes sense, however I don't think it is likely. Will block by Zathras also prevent his detect? If no, I guess it is a good idea to block him.
2) Hm. MODERATOR, is it true that there MUST be a Kook?
3) By 'confirmed' I meant 'his role is known and he is not a scum'.
4) By 'offered to lynch' I meant 'voted for him'. Also, I'm absolutely sure that Argembarger isn't scum; as I pointed out earlier, there was no dopp kill not because Zathras blocked him, but because I stunned Web. However, you seem to ignore that argument and not offer any reasons whatsoever as to why he's scum.

I guess that extends the list of possible scum to include Toaster, but you are still at the top of it.

1) He wouldn't have to guess, he would just have to use the claims everybody had made at that point to construct a reasonable list of targets for a Detective inspect. But I'm fairly inclined to believe him, because the people he chose (or claimed to choose) is an extremely reasonable list that matches well with his suspicions at the time as well as current events during the game. So that's why I think it's a good idea to verify him first.
2) You heard it from Meph that there doesn't have to be one. But I am one.
3) Then quit using confirmed like that. It has specific meaning.
4) Are you certain it was your stun on webadict that prevented the dopp kill and not Zathras' block on Argembarger? There's no way you can be absolutely certain about that.

But alright. Here's why Argembarger is scum, although I don't understand why I have to do this because I've been saying that Argembarger is scum for a while now and it's not like this is anything new. So how about I quote myself on the matter.

Spoiler: Quoting myself is awesome. (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 03:00:55 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 01, 2010, 02:14:48 pm

So, everyone else, before the day ends please state your top picks for the record. A thought or two next to each would be greatly appreciated.

Argembarger - Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh he's giving me really scummy vibes. He FoSed Leafsnail and Ottofar without a reason but didn't vote Ottofar, who he said he suspected, he attacked JTF for stupid reasons which he gave up after people had corrected him, and I get the feeling he's trying to contribute without actually doing anything, like when he asked all those useless questions.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 01, 2010, 07:08:37 pm

And yeah, Ottofar and Argembarger are scum, and I've said as much earlier as Zathras just pointed out. Either way, an Exterminator or an Agent Operative is a threat to them so they lose nothing by choosing not to believe the claim and sitting back, hoping that he gets lynched.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 29, 2010, 02:59:11 am

Quote from: Argembarger on November 29, 2010, 02:12:31 am

Jim
-Aggressive as hell. But he's been getting so many effective results. I'm almost certain he's town.

If you think my results are effective, then why don't you share my suspicions? This doesn't add up.

You're buddying me. Now that I have cause to look over your posts, I don't generally find them to be exceptionally stellar. Lots of weak pokes, lurker prodding, general lack of strong suspicions. Additionally, I don't like it when people assume the moral high ground in Mafia games. It gives them a position to attack people, but it does absolutely nothing in helping find scum. Thus, scum like to do it.

*sniff*

I'm thinking you might be scum, Argembarger. Why are you buddying me, and why didn't you bring up this JTF stuff earlier, like when you read it? People have had the exact same problems that you do now, and they brought it up with him, so why all of a sudden do you have a problem with it? If you were going to have a problem with it for moral considerations or whatever it is you suspect him for this would've occurred to you a lot earlier.

The first quote is the most relevant.

Argembarger chose not to believe your claim, which is something he shared with webadict and Ottofar who both surprise surprise turned out to be scum. Then there was his throng of completely useless questions which he asked just to look like he was trying to contribute and then his reasonless FoSes on Ottofar and Leafsnail which he withdrew. (Why would anyone give a reasonless FoS on two people, one of whom flipped scum? Hint: He was trying to distance himself from them two when they flipped scum.)

He flipped the fuck out at JTF after somebody pointed out that he was just generally prodding lurkers and being useless so in response he made a giant attack that was completely unoriginal and disingenuous because if he had problems with what JTF had done he would have had them when he read through the thread the first time because people already pointed out these problems as they happened.

This is all stuff I have said before.

So there's my argument against Argembarger. If you had paid closer attention you would've realized that my suspicion of Argembarger is nothing new and to say that I have offered no reasons for why he is scum is a bunch of crap.

Also, your argument against me sucks. I have a scummy claim. It is also the truth. You got anything else?

Why's everybody so quiet? There's stuff to talk about, like what to do, and everybody's quiet for some reason.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 05, 2010, 08:25:36 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

No shit, Sherlocke. If you've got a problem with my plan then think of a better one.

ohwait youre the exterminator you dont care

Weird you should say this.  The exterminator is probably the one who should care the most about what happens.

Basically, my plan would be "Don't block the guy who can find the exterminator (or, if lying, sow the seeds of his own destruction)".

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

But the Holoform Modulator is exactly why role inspects are unreliable.

For one night, and one night only.  Hence, if I'm inspected twice... the chance of a holoform modulator is gone.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

What's to stop whoever the Exterminator is from just killing Toaster tomorrow night after he gets whatever inspect the Holoform Modulator gives him? This is your plan, isn't it?

Derp derp Kaminasquirtle derp

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 05, 2010, 08:31:38 pm

Actually, since I'm sure your next post will  say "What if he kills Kaminasquirtle then Toaster?"  Well, if he does that, then he's eliminated two suspects from the list and royally screwed himself.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:38:18 pm

This is why your plan sucks, because there's no guarantee the Exterminator is not going to do that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 05, 2010, 08:41:04 pm

Didn't you read?  If he does that, he's completely screwed himself.

Potential exterminators left: Me, you, Kaminasquirtle, Toaster.

So, what happens if the exterminator decides to kill off Kaminasquirtle and Toaster?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 05, 2010, 10:58:53 pm

Bluh...sorry for the absence.  I've been busy, and just as I was ready to do something, my ip's DNS severs stopped working.  -_-
I used my dad's droid to find an alternate DNS sever though, so I'm back now.

Anyway, I think the first thing we have to consider is that an exty has to lie about his role, while a dopp doesn't.  Firstly, I think that both JTF and Dariush are telling the truth.  So that's two off the list.  I know Zathras isn't the exty, and I don't think he's the dopp.  So three off the list.
The list so far:
Zathras
JanusTwoface
Toaster
Jim Groovester
Argembarger
KaminaSquirtle
Leafsnail
Dariush

So there are five possibilities left.
Nextly, I don't think Toaster is lying about his role, remember how he pointed out that Zathras could be tested tonight?  Along with Mr Person?  I think that's because they're both investigative roles, and indeed, Toaster did claim to inspect Zathras night 2.  So I don't think Toaster's exty.  He still could be dopp.
That leaves Leafsnail, Argembarger, and Jim as possible exties.  I don't really see Argem as the exty, but he still could be the dopp.  He still could be exty, but I see that as less likely as Jim or Leafsnail being exty.
So I think either Jim of Leaf is the exty.  The person most likely to be dopp in my mind is Argembarger, but I'm not nearly as sure of him as before.  There is no reason for him to have lied about his role, and if he did he should have protected Wuba.  Also Dariush stun-orbed Wuba.  So actually, scratch that, I'm not that sure of him being dopp at all.  That's why I'm thinking about exty more.  He had to lie about his role, so it's easier to find him out.
I could see a good case for both Leaf and Jim.  I can't quite decide who.  But since Leafsnail's plan makes a lot more sense to me than Jim's I'm going to have to unvote and vote Jim Groovester.

That's really all the time I have for this game tonight, so I'll stop here.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 11:40:09 pm

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 05, 2010, 10:58:53 pm

The person most likely to be dopp in my mind is Argembarger, but I'm not nearly as sure of him as before.  There is no reason for him to have lied about his role, and if he did he should have protected Wuba.  Also Dariush stun-orbed Wuba.  So actually, scratch that, I'm not that sure of him being dopp at all.

If Arg is the dopp, he probably did try to guard wuba, but I blocked him, remember? I either blocked his kill, or blocked his attempt to guard wuba, then Dariush blocked his kill and then the exty killed him. Dariush, wuba's home seems to have been a popular place last night; are there any interesting bits of flavour you'd like to share with the group? (don't directly quote the mod's PMs, but do paraphrase and report as much as possible).

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more likely it seems that Arg is the last dopp. It could still be Leafsnail, but less likely. The Exterminator question is more complex; Toaster, Jim, Leaf and Dariush all could still be it. So perhaps for simplicity's sake it'd be better to try and secure the dopp lynch today and do some variation on the SETI plan for tonight. I'm therefore OK with a lynch of Arg today as it has the highest chances of eliminating a nightkill. I'll move my vote after Toaster has had a chance to reply to my earlier comments, unless he comes out too scummy after that, or a better plan presents itself.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am

KaminaSquirtle, if I were the Exterminator, why would I claim Kook? Of aaaaaaall potential roles I could choose, why would I pick the worst one ever?

Leafsnail, why did you claim Survivor in the middle of the night in a PM to everybody? And why did you neglect to mention that you had a Mind Shield until today?

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 01, 2010, 08:59:10 pm

And you, Dariush, since there's no other real explanation for the exterminator no kill.

No other real explanation my ass. How about Ottofar protecting a dopp the Exterminator targeted?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

JanusTwoface - Military Mad Scientist, Assassin Bot (Day 2)
  (role & alignment by Dariush)
N1 - Killed Org, N2 - none, N3 - none
I'm not sold on the notion that he's confirmed townie. Only Dariush confirmed him, and in turn Toaster confirmed him. His play has been townie enough, but he can play a mean scum game by being too pro-town for our own good. If Dariush is the ext, as I mention later, then JTF could be the ext-op, would have the tech to kill Org, and would be the obvious target of Dariush later claiming PMs; he has gone far to try to clear Dariush.

In order for this theory to work, I, Toaster and JTF have to be (together) dopp, ext and ext-op AND ext-team should be working with dopps. Don't you find that EXTREMELY improbable?

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

Quote from: Jim

2) Or another possibility: I am actually a Kook. Somebody has to be the kook in a Paranormal. In this game it was me. True fact: If I were a dopp I could have chosen not to believe your claim and instead lynch you over Ottofar.

Nothing says there must be a kook; but it is true that your bussing Ottofar would make no sense.

On the contrary - things have gotten pretty desperate for dopps so it would be the safest course of action to lynch one of fellow dopps to remain out of suspicion.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 05, 2010, 05:31:49 am

1) So, you mean that Toaster is exterminator and lied, somehow managing to get correct guesses about those he 'detected'? Hm, that makes sense, however I don't think it is likely. Will block by Zathras also prevent his detect? If no, I guess it is a good idea to block him.
2) Hm. MODERATOR, is it true that there MUST be a Kook?
3) By 'confirmed' I meant 'his role is known and he is not a scum'.
4) By 'offered to lynch' I meant 'voted for him'. Also, I'm absolutely sure that Argembarger isn't scum; as I pointed out earlier, there was no dopp kill not because Zathras blocked him, but because I stunned Web. However, you seem to ignore that argument and not offer any reasons whatsoever as to why he's scum.

I guess that extends the list of possible scum to include Toaster, but you are still at the top of it.

1) He wouldn't have to guess, he would just have to use the claims everybody had made at that point to construct a reasonable list of targets for a Detective inspect. But I'm fairly inclined to believe him, because the people he chose (or claimed to choose) is an extremely reasonable list that matches well with his suspicions at the time as well as current events during the game. So that's why I think it's a good idea to verify him first.
2) You heard it from Meph that there doesn't have to be one. But I am one.
3) Then quit using confirmed like that. It has specific meaning.
4) Are you certain it was your stun on webadict that prevented the dopp kill and not Zathras' block on Argembarger? There's no way you can be absolutely certain about that.

1) Well, Zathras has already said what I was thinking - if he WAS lying (and therefore some of his suspects were lying), nobody would admit it. If he claimed at least one lie, that could be used to determine his true role, but this way he may as well be scum.
2) You said that there MUST be a Kook. Even if I take that lie for a simple mistake, there's still not a single verifiable argument in your favor, and you are the most likely dopp of the currently alive.
4) Web WAS dopp, so in order of that to work dopps would have placed the kill not on the leader, but on an adjectiveless dopp who was already under suspicion.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

Argembarger chose not to believe your claim, which is something he shared with webadict and Ottofar who both surprise surprise turned out to be scum. Then there was his throng of completely useless questions which he asked just to look like he was trying to contribute and then his reasonless FoSes on Ottofar and Leafsnail which he withdrew. (Why would anyone give a reasonless FoS on two people, one of whom flipped scum? Hint: He was trying to distance himself from them two when they flipped scum.)

What.
Let me review that - Argembarger accused Ottofar, who turned out to be scum... And that makes him scum himself?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:31:58 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

JanusTwoface - Military Mad Scientist, Assassin Bot (Day 2)
  (role & alignment by Dariush)
N1 - Killed Org, N2 - none, N3 - none
I'm not sold on the notion that he's confirmed townie. Only Dariush confirmed him, and in turn Toaster confirmed him. His play has been townie enough, but he can play a mean scum game by being too pro-town for our own good. If Dariush is the ext, as I mention later, then JTF could be the ext-op, would have the tech to kill Org, and would be the obvious target of Dariush later claiming PMs; he has gone far to try to clear Dariush.

In order for this theory to work, I, Toaster and JTF have to be (together) dopp, ext and ext-op AND ext-team should be working with dopps. Don't you find that EXTREMELY improbable?

Improbable? maybe. Extremely? not really. I didn't imply dopp involvement was mandatory for that; Toaster could be the ext and lie about his inspection of you, his op, and you merely not choosing to correct him; in this case JTF could still be a misled townie. Only two of the three are needed to be scum, and since you're in the middle (Toaster inspected you, you claimed to JTF), you are the most likely... Or Toaster may be honest, but you have a scan-fooling modulator and felt safe "claiming" to your operative JTF... Other combinations are possible, and some require more coincides than others, but none are "EXTREMELY improbable", no.

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

Quote from: Jim

2) Or another possibility: I am actually a Kook. Somebody has to be the kook in a Paranormal. In this game it was me. True fact: If I were a dopp I could have chosen not to believe your claim and instead lynch you over Ottofar.

Nothing says there must be a kook; but it is true that your bussing Ottofar would make no sense.

On the contrary - things have gotten pretty desperate for dopps so it would be the safest course of action to lynch one of fellow dopps to remain out of suspicion.

For the second day in a row? Hardly. Plus things have gotten desperate precisely because Ottofar was lynched. Before that there still were three of them. Jim helped hang both Pandar and Ottofar, and if he had kept his vote on you no one would have thought worse of him, and Ottofar would have been saved. No, I'm pretty sure those who were voting Ottofar at the end of the day (JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Toaster) are not dopps. At least one is likely an alien, though.

Compare this with the Pandar lynch: Janus & Toaster were on it very early; Jim and Kamina got distracted by trying to lynch me first, but came around later, at the same time as Leafsnail; webadict waited until it was clear he wouldn't be saved, and Arg was voting MBP the whole time (as was Mish, incidentally). Ottofar was voting Kamina. Do you see some patterns here?

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

4) Are you certain it was your stun on webadict that prevented the dopp kill and not Zathras' block on Argembarger? There's no way you can be absolutely certain about that.

2) [Jim,] You said that there MUST be a Kook. Even if I take that lie for a simple mistake, there's still not a single verifiable argument in your favor, and you are the most likely dopp of the currently alive.
4) Web WAS dopp, so in order of that to work dopps would have placed the kill not on the leader, but on an adjectiveless dopp who was already under suspicion.

I understand the draw to the "Jim is dopp" theory; if he had been inspected, and only after that claimed Kook, it would be more damning than claiming on his own, though, and I still think that bussing Ottofar (and pressing him the entire game) would be too much of a gambit; I find it hard to believe that he's the last dopp mostly for that, but I suppose it's possible.

As for the other point, I also think that web was more likely to have the kill last night, and was blocked by your orb; this does not clear Arg, though, as if he was dopp guardian he'd have protected wuba, and my block prevented that. And although Arg was under suspicion, the pressure on him was nowhere close to that on you or Ottofar; he could still have had the kill. The main reason I don't think so is because I was the only one who had been pressing wuba, and I ended the day voting you, so he should have felt confident enough to try it on his own, plus he had no other night actions.

Also, as I pointed out earlier, your blocking him does not clear you either; if Toaster lied or was mistaken about your role, you could be the exterminator and have had both kills last night. I would still like you to post some of the night's flavour (paraphrased) so we have more data for an informed opinion.

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Let me review that - Argembarger accused Ottofar, who turned out to be scum... And that makes him scum himself?

It's possible, because he backed off too easily from those accusations. Ottofar was endlessly scummy, and still Arg didn't end the day voting him (he was voting you). If he had kept the pressure up on Ottofar, it would make his case look better, but he gave up too quickly and without enough reason; it ended up looking more like a lame attempt at distance than real scumhunting.

By the way, this last comment of yours is directed to someone who did accuse (and hang!) Ottofar, who turned out to be scum, so if you think Arg's attack on Ottofar makes it less likely he's scum, why is it not so for Jim? You are being inconsistent there.


Overall, I find your arguments scummy and insufficient. I don't think you are the dopp, but I am more inclined to think you are the exterminator. It would require that out of Toaster and Janus one is an alien and the other a misguided townie (in either order), or other coincidences, but I don't think that stretches the limits of the possible.

Arg will likely hang today, and you tomorrow. Neither of you has yet said anything to change this.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 04:46:59 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

Argembarger chose not to believe your claim, which is something he shared with webadict and Ottofar who both surprise surprise turned out to be scum. Then there was his throng of completely useless questions which he asked just to look like he was trying to contribute and then his reasonless FoSes on Ottofar and Leafsnail which he withdrew. (Why would anyone give a reasonless FoS on two people, one of whom flipped scum? Hint: He was trying to distance himself from them two when they flipped scum.)

What.
Let me review that - Argembarger accused Ottofar, who turned out to be scum... And that makes him scum himself?

Yes, easily. The FoS was completely empty.

Argembarger's FoS wandered onto Ottofar but his vote never did, and that's the important thing. If you say you suspect somebody it's generally expected that you will vote them at some point, to make good on your suspicions. Argembarger never did.

This invites several questions. If you don't vote the people you say you suspect, then why FoS them?

It's a preparatory measure in case they flip scum. You can say you suspected them because look you made that FoS a while ago. It serves to distance yourself from your teammates, which is something that you want because their flip will lead to you. This is classic scum behavior and it is easily detectable.

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

Quote from: Jim

2) Or another possibility: I am actually a Kook. Somebody has to be the kook in a Paranormal. In this game it was me. True fact: If I were a dopp I could have chosen not to believe your claim and instead lynch you over Ottofar.

Nothing says there must be a kook; but it is true that your bussing Ottofar would make no sense.

On the contrary - things have gotten pretty desperate for dopps so it would be the safest course of action to lynch one of fellow dopps to remain out of suspicion.

This is silly. Things were not desperate before the lynch for the dopps, but now they are. Desperation on Day 4 does not justify bussing on Day 3. Three dopps alive, one a Guardian, one a Doppelganger Leader, one of indeterminate role, is not a desperate situation. In fact that's a pretty damn good situation. So it's stupid to say that because things are desperate now, that somehow it was a good idea to bus one of my teammates yesterday.

Let me remind you what the dopps would have had to gain with your lynch and what they lost with an Ottofar lynch.

Firstly, Ottofar would be alive, and would live to protect again. webadict was killed by the Exterminator during the night. Even if Ottofar was damned likely to be lynched the following day, he could have save webadict's life, which would have been a tremendous advantage. Potentially there would have been three dopps alive today instead of just one. Well worth saving Ottofar's life for.

Secondly, it removes all your tech. The dopps would not have to worry about somebody guiding your Assassin Bot towards one of the team, nor would they have had to worry about your Stun Orb unfailingly blocking somebody. Again, look at last night. You blocked webadict. It's likely that there would have been a dopp kill had that not happened.

There was a one vote difference between you and Ottofar. The power to choose who lived or died rested entirely with me. I chose Ottofar over you. If I was a dopp I just shot myself in the fucking foot for no good reason. For a little WIFOM, I lost two teammates and a kill. That's a horrible trade.

This can not get any more simple. I am not a dopp because my actions are counterproductive to the doppelganger team. Me being a kook is completely irrelevant to this.

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 05, 2010, 08:16:54 pm

1) He wouldn't have to guess, he would just have to use the claims everybody had made at that point to construct a reasonable list of targets for a Detective inspect. But I'm fairly inclined to believe him, because the people he chose (or claimed to choose) is an extremely reasonable list that matches well with his suspicions at the time as well as current events during the game. So that's why I think it's a good idea to verify him first.
2) You heard it from Meph that there doesn't have to be one. But I am one.
3) Then quit using confirmed like that. It has specific meaning.
4) Are you certain it was your stun on webadict that prevented the dopp kill and not Zathras' block on Argembarger? There's no way you can be absolutely certain about that.

1) Well, Zathras has already said what I was thinking - if he WAS lying (and therefore some of his suspects were lying), nobody would admit it. If he claimed at least one lie, that could be used to determine his true role, but this way he may as well be scum.
2) You said that there MUST be a Kook. Even if I take that lie for a simple mistake, there's still not a single verifiable argument in your favor, and you are the most likely dopp of the currently alive.
4) Web WAS dopp, so in order of that to work dopps would have placed the kill not on the leader, but on an adjectiveless dopp who was already under suspicion.

1) But this doesn't make sense, because it implies more scum in the game than are currently available. If Toaster is lying because he does not know somebody else is lying, that's at least two scum right there. It's more likely that everybody he inspected is telling the truth, and he could be lying about his role.
2) Not a single verifiable argument in my favor? How about you cut the bullshit out right now. I've been throwing you arguments for the past two days and you've done nothing but shit on them with single line ripostes. This is fucking ridiculous. I can't help it if you have the intellectual capacity of a toad with its head smashed on a rock, but it's still my problem if you want to expertly demonstrate the paucity of your intellect because you're voting for me. So, here's what you need to do. 1) Pull your head out of your ass. 2) Revel in the cleanliness of the fresh air now filling your lungs. 3) Stop being a fucking moron and actually think this shit through.

KOOK CLAIM =/= DOPPELGANGER

If you automatically believe I am a dopp because of my Kook claim, then you're taking the idiot crown from the idiot Pope and declaring yourself the idiot emperor of the idiot empire and posturing yourself as greater than idiot God in the process. And for fuck's sake, I asked you what else you had beside this, and you didn't say a goddamn thing. How about you read my goddamned posts and answer my questions for once.
4) It's not likely but it's still possible.

_{I feel a bit like Karkat now. It is refreshing.}

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 05:48:36 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:31:58 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 03:03:17 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

JanusTwoface - Military Mad Scientist, Assassin Bot (Day 2)
  (role & alignment by Dariush)
N1 - Killed Org, N2 - none, N3 - none
I'm not sold on the notion that he's confirmed townie. Only Dariush confirmed him, and in turn Toaster confirmed him. His play has been townie enough, but he can play a mean scum game by being too pro-town for our own good. If Dariush is the ext, as I mention later, then JTF could be the ext-op, would have the tech to kill Org, and would be the obvious target of Dariush later claiming PMs; he has gone far to try to clear Dariush.

In order for this theory to work, I, Toaster and JTF have to be (together) dopp, ext and ext-op AND ext-team should be working with dopps. Don't you find that EXTREMELY improbable?

Improbable? maybe. Extremely? not really. I didn't imply dopp involvement was mandatory for that; Toaster could be the ext and lie about his inspection of you, his op, and you merely not choosing to correct him; in this case JTF could still be a misled townie. Only two of the three are needed to be scum, and since you're in the middle (Toaster inspected you, you claimed to JTF), you are the most likely... Or Toaster may be honest, but you have a scan-fooling modulator and felt safe "claiming" to your operative JTF... Other combinations are possible, and some require more coincides than others, but none are "EXTREMELY improbable", no.

To have holoform modulator, I'd have to get Replicator and use it for modulator on the precise night of inspection (if I understand correctly how it works), and that is pretty unlikely setup considering Toaster isn't proven Detective.
As for the first version, I don't have a slightest idea as to how to prove my innocence in being ext op except lynching Toaster - if he's really detective then I'm cleared; if he's exterminator, I won't be able to do anything since I've spent my bot on MBP and you won't have exterminator to worry about.

As to Jim lynching his teammates, I would think it's a cause for extreme WIFOM - what if he thought that by lynching them he would be better off?

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:31:58 am

If you think Arg's attack on Ottofar makes it less likely he's scum, why is it not so for Jim? You are being inconsistent there.

Because Jim voting for Ottofar fits with aforementioned WIFOM. It seems that Argembarger will hang today anyway, so if he flips town, that'll be certain proof that Jim is scum.

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Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 04:46:59 am

Argembarger's FoS wandered onto Ottofar but his vote never did, and that's the important thing. If you say you suspect somebody it's generally expected that you will vote them at some point, to make good on your suspicions. Argembarger never did.

This invites several questions. If you don't vote the people you say you suspect, then why FoS them?

It's a preparatory measure in case they flip scum. You can say you suspected them because look you made that FoS a while ago. It serves to distance yourself from your teammates, which is something that you want because their flip will lead to you. This is classic scum behavior and it is easily detectable.

Saying you suspect someone but not voting for them is scummy, is that what you are saying? But weren't it YOU who asked me to state my suspicions when I replaced Mish? (or is FoS something other than simply stating whom you suspect?...)

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 04:46:59 am

1) But this doesn't make sense, because it implies more scum in the game than are currently available. If Toaster is lying because he does not know somebody else is lying, that's at least two scum right there. It's more likely that everybody he inspected is telling the truth, and he could be lying about his role.
2) Not a single verifiable argument in my favor? How about you cut the bullshit out right now. I've been throwing you arguments for the past two days and you've done nothing but shit on them with single line ripostes. This is fucking ridiculous. I can't help it if you have the intellectual capacity of a toad with its head smashed on a rock, but it's still my problem if you want to expertly demonstrate the paucity of your intellect because you're voting for me. So, here's what you need to do. 1) Pull your head out of your ass. 2) Revel in the cleanliness of the fresh air now filling your lungs. 3) Stop being a fucking moron and actually think this shit through.

KOOK CLAIM =/= DOPPELGANGER

If you automatically believe I am a dopp because of my Kook claim, then you're taking the idiot crown from the idiot Pope and declaring yourself the idiot emperor of the idiot empire and posturing yourself as greater than idiot God in the process. And for fuck's sake, I asked you what else you had beside this, and you didn't say a goddamn thing. How about you read my goddamned posts and answer my questions for once.
4) It's not likely but it's still possible.

1) That actually makes sense (such a rarity). There are only two possible explanations of his lie: either he is dopp who is working with exterminator (or vice versa), or he is town and is still lying about his role.
2) Hey-hey, no need to get berserkerish. Currently your main arguments are that you voted for dopps (WIFOM) and that you're a Kook. The possibility of you being Kook is negated by the necessity to find a dopp. If we lynch town today, that brings us to 7 people with a certain knowledge of who the scum is. Two are nk'ed if we're unlucky. One is lynched, one is nk'ed, one is lynched the following day.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 04:46:59 am

There was a one vote difference between you and Ottofar. The power to choose who lived or died rested entirely with me. I chose Ottofar over you. If I was a dopp I just shot myself in the fucking foot for no good reason. For a little WIFOM, I lost two teammates and a kill. That's a horrible trade.

I wouldn't call that WIFOM 'little' - far from it. If you're a dopp, you're free to kill anyone without anyone suspecting you. If you're town...
Ah, screw it. As I said, Argembarger will probably hang today, leaving you the only possible dopp remaining.
Meph, voteboard please?

Afterthought:
So I finally got fed up with this pointless argument and went through the thread to search for votes on earlier days. Pandar was voted by Jim only in the end, when it was clear he's gonna hang while Ottofar wasn't looking like surviving the next day (and Jim's vote for him was third, not first). If he was the first to vote for them, I would rethink my vote. However, as matters are, my suspicion of Jim deepens.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 10:11:10 am

How are you this stupid?

Honestly, how are you this stupid?

When you get a fucking clue I might try and talk to you again but I am not encouraged that any further discourse I have with you will ever be productive.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 10:34:40 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

So, Toaster. Mostly because I don't trust his inspection results ("they all told the truth" is far too convenient a fakeclaim), but I'll support a lynch of Dariush or Argembarger as well.

Would you rather I type out what results I had gotten?  It would have been just the same as typing out their role names.  I can't help that those who I inspected claimed before me.  I'm not sure what you're looking for from me here.

Anyway, here are my ordered dopp and exty suspicion lists.  If a name isn't on the list, I don't think it's possible you're that scum.

Dopp:
Argembarger  (I've said why)
Kamina  (Early suspicions- the Ottofar deal lowers him)
Jim  (It's possible, but I don't really suspect it)
Leafsnail  (Survivor's a weird claim for a dopp)
Zathras  (It's possible, but *extremely* unlikely)

I can't make the Janus dopp work in my head (would require Dar lying to cover him- something only exty would do, outing Dar as exty to the dopp team), and dopps can't get advanced holoform modulator that Dariush would need to be a dopp.

Exty:

Leafsnail (Already claimed alien)
Jim (Unconfirmed)
Dariush (Had assassin bot, would require adv. holo)
Janus (Ditto with above, but his play is more townie OR Janus/Dar team)
Argembarger  (Requires adv. mindshield, and I think he's our dopp)
Kamina (Would require adv. mindshield AND adv. holo- nearly impossible)

Zath has to be a warden.


Am I missing anything obvious?  I'm still for the Argem lynch because I'm much less sure on the exty.

Jim and Leaf are my top two inspect choices, with Dariush a possible third choice.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 01:01:07 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 10:34:40 am

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

So, Toaster. Mostly because I don't trust his inspection results ("they all told the truth" is far too convenient a fakeclaim), but I'll support a lynch of Dariush or Argembarger as well.

Would you rather I type out what results I had gotten?  It would have been just the same as typing out their role names.  I can't help that those who I inspected claimed before me.  I'm not sure what you're looking for from me here.

Yeah, I'm not sure either. I still don't trust your claim, but I can't think of what you could say to change that... in any case, your response is a valid one, and as I said, we should focus on the dopp lynch today. Unvote Toaster, vote Argembarger.

Quote from: Toaster

Anyway, here are my ordered dopp and exty suspicion lists.  If a name isn't on the list, I don't think it's possible you're that scum.
Dopp:
Argembarger  (I've said why)[...]

Yes. I think the consensus is complete, isn't it? Other than Dariush, is anyone not voting him? A consensus this complete makes me uneasy, but yeah, it is the right lynch, I think, so let's do it.

Quote

Exty:[...]
Dariush (Had assassin bot, would require adv. holo)
Janus (Ditto with above, but his play is more townie OR Janus/Dar team)

Dariush-as-Exty would require the simple holo, not the advanced one, yes? And it wouldn't if we have a Dariush/Toaster team.
Janus, as above, simple modulator or a Janus/Dariush team would cover the inspection result, plus one of him or his team-mate would need to have combat camouflage (for the MS flavour on Org's kill, yes? Can someone more experienced with the flavour confirm that it'd be necessary for that? Also, if we assume someone has combat camo, does that change any suspicions on Critpfeind's death?).

I think neither of these possibilities strains credibility too far. As Dariush is the common part, he should probably be the target of most things tonight, but the scenarios still work with him as the Op (or even unwitting accomplice) and Toaster/Janus as the exty, plus Jim or Leafsnail could also work, so it's not for sure at all.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 06, 2010, 01:02:56 pm

The Whiteboard
Argembarger: Jim Groovester, Leafsnail, Toaster, Zathras
Jim Groovester : KaminaSquirtle, Dariush
KaminaSquirtle: JanusTwoface

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Tuesday

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

Mod: clarification please: An operative gets 1 medium tech and 2 small, yes? Can the two small be exchanged for one medium? By this I mean: can an operative get both an assassin bot and combat camo? Also, the ext and ext-op can share tech; how does this work with combat camo? Say the ext chose camo, but gave it to the op for night one, then the ext's kill will not be masked, but the op's kill would, yes?

No, slots can not be exchanged except as noted in the specific rules (a 2-shot scanner for a Medium slot, for example).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 01:25:39 pm

Zathras, if Combat Camouflage was around we'd be seeing more vig kills instead of Exterminator kills.

If it's a JTF/whoever Exterminator team, there'd be no reason to keep the Camo on JTF after he used his Assassin Bot. And if that were the case there'd be no Exterminator kills at all; since the Assassin Bot doesn't use up a night action JTF/whoever can just transfer the Camo and the Bot to whoever's doing the kill and suddenly everything looks like human kills.

I think this pretty conclusively rules out JTF as being the Exterminator.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 06, 2010, 01:27:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am

Leafsnail, why did you claim Survivor in the middle of the night in a PM to everybody? And why did you neglect to mention that you had a Mind Shield until today?

Simple answer?  I didn't want to be lynched or NK'd.  Since I'm, y'know, a survivor.  The later in the game it is, the less sense it makes for anyone on any side to kill me.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am

No other real explanation my ass. How about Ottofar protecting a dopp the Exterminator targeted?

Wow, it's funny how you wait until now to point this out.

I actually had the pm prepared in advance, and sent it out when I saw the day ended.  Ottofar's flip was hilariously unlucky for me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 06, 2010, 01:29:33 pm

Come to think of it, if that were the case, the remaining dopp would now KNOW that I'm the exterminator.

So they'd probably either reveal it before being lynched or just kill me in the night.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 01:36:48 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 06, 2010, 01:02:56 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 01:01:07 pm

Quote from: Toaster

Dopp: Argembarger  (I've said why)[...]

Yes. I think the consensus is complete, isn't it? Other than Dariush, is anyone not voting him? A consensus this complete makes me uneasy, but yeah, it is the right lynch, I think, so let's do it.

The Whiteboard
Argembarger: Jim Groovester, Leafsnail, Toaster, Zathras
Jim Groovester : KaminaSquirtle, Dariush
KaminaSquirtle: JanusTwoface

Oh, not nearly as complete as I thought. Oh well, less uneasy then.

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 06, 2010, 01:02:56 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 05, 2010, 05:25:36 pm

Mod: clarification please: An operative gets 1 medium tech and 2 small, yes? Can the two small be exchanged for one medium? By this I mean: can an operative get both an assassin bot and combat camo? Also, the ext and ext-op can share tech; how does this work with combat camo? Say the ext chose camo, but gave it to the op for night one, then the ext's kill will not be masked, but the op's kill would, yes?

No, slots can not be exchanged except as noted in the specific rules (a 2-shot scanner for a Medium slot, for example).

Thanks Mep. For the group: where I was going with this question was about Janus/Dariush as a team. For them to be it, they'd need two bots, combat camo, a stun orb and a modulator. Ext gets 1 large, 1 medium; he takes replicator and bot. Op gets 1 medium, 2 small; he gets bot, orb, mod. Replicator creates camo. Night one, the Exty Dariush gives camo to Janus the Op, Janus gives the Exty the modulator, Janus bots Org, Dariush (then Soli or Mish or whoever) kills Cript (or Exty Janus keeps camo and makes both kills). Night two, exty does not act or hits Leafsail. Night three Janus/Dariush concoct the claim plan, and were told Toaster inspected and gave the "agent op" as result; Janus gives Dariush the orb, who then goes and gets his way with MBP and Wuba, or one hits MBP and the other Wuba.

Any holes in that? Not saying that its' the only explanation, or necessarily the most likely, I'm just trying to see if I have all the requisites working right in my head.


PPE: Ninja'd by Jim... well, I already typed it, so you get to read it; also, why wouldn't the alien team want to have camo in the picture, and used it seldom? Your ruling JTF out for that shows that it'd be a viable misdirection strategy, yes?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 01:58:54 pm

Yeah, I guess that's possible, but that's a medium tech slot that they used only once. You'd think if they could look like a vig they would instead of reveal to the whole world that there's an Exterminator alien running around and only make JTF look like a Mad Scientist, since it would be possible to do both.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 02:09:32 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 01:36:48 pm

Thanks Mep. For the group: where I was going with this question was about Janus/Dariush as a team. For them to be it, they'd need two bots, combat camo, a stun orb and a modulator. Ext gets 1 large, 1 medium; he takes replicator and bot. Op gets 1 medium, 2 small; he gets bot, orb, mod. Replicator creates camo. Night one, the Exty Dariush gives camo to Janus the Op, Janus gives the Exty the modulator, Janus bots Org, Dariush (then Soli or Mish or whoever) kills Cript (or Exty Janus keeps camo and makes both kills). Night two, exty does not act or hits Leafsail. Night three Janus/Dariush concoct the claim plan, and were told Toaster inspected and gave the "agent op" as result; Janus gives Dariush the orb, who then goes and gets his way with MBP and Wuba, or one hits MBP and the other Wuba.

That is hilariously complex plan. However, if I was the exty, why would have I picked Assassin bot? Wouldn't it be more logical to take camo from the start and just skip replicator step, taking something else for the large tech and claim that my bot-kill of MBP was blocked?

Also, there's a possibility that JTF is Exty who used modulator on the night of Mish's scanning, which shouldn't be overlooked.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 02:41:15 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 02:09:32 pm

That is hilariously complex plan. However, if I was the exty, why would have I picked Assassin bot? Wouldn't it be more logical to take camo from the start and just skip replicator step, taking something else for the large tech and claim that my bot-kill of MBP was blocked?

Not really, just about any plan would look complex three days in, and the point of the replicator is precisely to add flexibility. Second, the bot is always a good pick, an extra kill never hurt any scum; and third, bots can't be blocked.

Quote from: Dariush

Also, there's a possibility that JTF is Exty who used modulator on the night of Mish's scanning, which shouldn't be overlooked.

Yes, it's possible, but he'd need bot, camo and the modulator, which requires his Op to exist and help. I did bring up the possibility earlier, but since the Op must exist in this case, looking for the Op helps us narrow it down.

Meph: just one more question: can the camo be turned on/off at will? Say I'm the Ext and have camo, can I choose to mask my bot kill, but not my standard night kill? Also, since the ext and op can share tech, can they share the camo on the same night, masking both of their kills? (say I NK with camo, I give it to my op, who bots someone else, also masking it?)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 06, 2010, 02:46:45 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 02:41:15 pm

Meph: just one more question: can the camo be turned on/off at will? Say I'm the Ext and have camo, can I choose to mask my bot kill, but not my standard night kill? Also, since the ext and op can share tech, can they share the camo on the same night, masking both of their kills? (say I NK with camo, I give it to my op, who bots someone else, also masking it?)

Yes, camo can be turned on and off at will. It can also be used for all kills made.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 02:53:20 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 02:41:15 pm

Bots can't be blocked.

Even by Anti-Tech field?

And why exactly would JTF (if he IS Exty) pick camo? Exterminator got his own kill on first and third night, there was a claim about his attempt on second one and JTF has admitted to killing Org. I fail to see the need to mask his kills in those circumstances. (if there IS such a need, forgive me - it's my first Paranormal)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 02:54:39 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 06, 2010, 02:53:20 pm

And why exactly would JTF (if he IS Exty) pick camo?

Er, I forgot to add 'in case he's working without Op'.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 03:15:47 pm

Assassin Bot can be used at the same time as the regular kill, so the camo isn't needed.

Janus theory:  Took Bot and Replicator, replicated up adv. holo

N1: Kill Cript, bot Org, holo blows on Dariush
N2: Hit Leaf's shield
N3: Kill Web

It could be solo, but as I said before, I doubt it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 03:27:15 pm

Someone asked for when/how Jim claimed Kook to me:

Quote from: Jim Groovester on November 22, 2010, 01:28:48 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on November 22, 2010, 10:49:51 am

Why didn't you claim Kook Day 1?

It didn't seem like a good idea. There's been several Paranormal games where Day 1 Kook claims end really badly for the person who's doing it, even if they were claiming truthfully. Additionally, I didn't trust Mr.Person's call for it.

That was during the end of Day 2.

---

My thoughts, ordered and split by scumitude.

Dopp:
Eduren/Argembarger - Active lurking, flipped out when I pointed it out
KaminaSquirtle - Tried to clear himself by attaching to Zathras
Toaster - Easy fake claim, wish he would have claimed first
Zathras - He's a Warden, could be a Dopp one but I don't think he'd have bussed Pandarsenic

Exterminator:
Leafsnail - Exterminators also want to live, 'forgot' Mind Shield claim
Jim Groovester - Kook claim is perfect for an Exterminator with a Modulator
Solifuge/Mish/Dariush - Could possibly be
JanusTwoface - Oh I wish I were the Exterminator... It would have been epic.

Not saying that there couldn't be some cross-over on these lists, but I think this is more likely.  Thus, sorry Argembarger, but I have to agree with the majority.

Either way you flip, take this as a learning experience to be very careful about mid-game gameplay changes.

---

Zathras' explinations for how I could be an Alien:
Occam's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) and/or Xantos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) (don't click that link if you value your free time)

Granted, it's always possible for things to go complex in Mafia, but we're no-where near the point where it's necessary to look that deep.  Although, it doesn't hurt my ego if you think I would plan something like that... :)

Side note: Is the exchanging tech thing new? I don't remember that from previous rounds. Granted, the only Alien role I've had was Scientist/Xenozooligist, so it goes.

---

Night actions:
(Note: these are just what I would do, feel free to ignore me.)

If Argembarger is town:
- Zathras should block Leafsnail (see below) or one of the people that shouldn't have an action. Might block kill, at least will confirm Zathras again (not that that's necessary).
- Toaster should inspect Jim Groovester. The Kook bit will have no effect. If he's a Dopp Townie, then he would have done the night kill rather than Webadict.
- KaminaSquirtle should guard Toaster or Zathras (without telling us which), they're the most likely to find the dopp.

If Argembarger is the Dopp:
- Zathras should block Leafsnail. The flavor should tell us if he has a Mind Shield or Advanced Mind Shield.
- Toaster should inspect Dariush (to remove the possibility of a Holoform) or Leafsnail (and again the next night to counter a Holoform).
- KaminaSquirtle still on Toaster or Zathras.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 03:31:07 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 03:15:47 pm

Assassin Bot can be used at the same time as the regular kill, so the camo isn't needed.

Janus theory:  Took Bot and Replicator, replicated up adv. holo

N1: Kill Cript, bot Org, holo blows on Dariush
N2: Hit Leaf's shield
N3: Kill Web

It could be solo, but as I said before, I doubt it.

Sort of possible.

Problems:
- If I'm the Exterminator and Dariush is my Agent, then why did Toaster lie about the claim? (He'd have to be a Dopp and working with us)
- Also, why would he fake-claim that he scanned me? He'd know (or at least I'd know) that it's a death sentence for me as soon as he dies...
- If I'm the Exterminator and Dariush isn't my Agent, why'd he claim to clear me?  It'd be better for the Agent Operative to get the Exterminator killed.

Simplest and most likely explination: I'm not the Exterminator.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 03:34:06 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 03:15:47 pm

Assassin Bot can be used at the same time as the regular kill, so the camo isn't needed.

Janus theory:  Took Bot and Replicator, replicated up adv. holo

N1: Kill Cript, bot Org, holo blows on Dariush
N2: Hit Leaf's shield
N3: Kill Web

It could be solo, but as I said before, I doubt it.

Camo is needed because I'm told his bot flavour (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1727605#msg1727605) on Org says Human Mad Scientist instead of Alien bot (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1771358#msg1771358). Again, can those more experienced with the flavour say conclusively one way or the other?

And I think a standard holoform modulator is sufficient (small tech), an advanced one (medium tech) is not needed. Or am I misreading it?

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 01, 2010, 03:13:25 pm

• Small Tech
• Holoform Modulator: Works once when investigated, allowing the alien to choose a role and race to show as. Once activated it lasts the entire night but is used up after that. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.
     
     
• Medium Tech
• Advanced Holoform Modulator: Works as the Holoform Modulator, but also allows the Alien to project an active hologram. This hologram can be shown to go to any location (or stay at home). Anyone following the Alien will watch the Hologram instead of the Alien. Does not use up the Alien's action for that night.

PPE: ninja'd again... will catch up to JTF's replies in a bit.
[/list][/list]

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Toaster on December 06, 2010, 03:41:57 pm

Good call on the flavor- camo would be needed.

And I'm mixing up adv. holo and adv. mind shield- we'd only need the regular here.  Being a small tech, it'd need to come from replicator, implying the exty could have a shield or a deadman bomb up his sleeve.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 03:52:25 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 03:27:15 pm

Zathras' explinations for how I could be an Alien:
Occam's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) and/or Xantos Gambit (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XanatosGambit) (don't click that link if you value your free time)
Granted, it's always possible for things to go complex in Mafia, but we're no-where near the point where it's necessary to look that deep.

Occam's Razor doesn't apply when there is an intentional effort to deceive, which is the case in this game. And gambits are common here, aren't they? Yes, we should be looking deep.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 03:31:07 pm

Problems:
- If I'm the Exterminator and Dariush is my Agent, then why did Toaster lie about the claim? (He'd have to be a Dopp and working with us)

Dariush's modulator works around this.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 03:31:07 pm

- Also, why would he fake-claim that he scanned me? He'd know (or at least I'd know) that it's a death sentence for me as soon as he dies...

...if he dies. And he'd still would have your possible modulator as an excuse.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 03:31:07 pm

- If I'm the Exterminator and Dariush isn't my Agent, why'd he claim to clear me?  It'd be better for the Agent Operative to get the Exterminator killed.

Again, your modulator could have fooled him. It's one minor piece of small tech, that the exty could get from a replicator of his Op, so it seems like a reasonably safe choice to make that one exists or has existed in the game.

I'm not saying you must be it, the camo being the greatest obstacle (though not insurmountable), but nothing here says you can't be.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Argembarger on December 06, 2010, 03:57:56 pm

Well my arguments are already pretty much laid out already.

I still think it would be better if I was allowed to protect confirmed town tonight and prove myself, but it's not like we're at LyLo.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 04:12:04 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 03:52:25 pm

Occam's Razor doesn't apply when there is an intentional effort to deceive, which is the case in this game. And gambits are common here, aren't they? Yes, we should be looking deep.

The specific gambit though. That I would have had to plan all of this in advance. Essentially, I wish I had.

And I hadn't remembered the bot flavor, as you mentioned it.  Org was killed by a Human Assassin bot (see Dariush's kill's flavor for the counterpoint) and no one else has claimed the kill.  So either I'm Human or I used Combat Camo on that kill but not Criptfeinds.

1) Is that possible? I don't remember seeing it confirmed or denyed that Exterminators could use the Camo on kills other than their native one. The wording is vague, but leans towards no IMO.

2) Do you think I would have thought that far ahead? (This is the Xantos Gambit part)

Quote from: Argembarger on December 06, 2010, 03:57:56 pm

Well my arguments are already pretty much laid out already.

I still think it would be better if I was allowed to protect confirmed town tonight and prove myself, but it's not like we're at LyLo.

Protecting a confirmed townie wouldn't really confirm you unless you managed to kill the Exterminator in doing so.  You could just as easily claimed you had protected someone and still do the Dopp kill or actually protect someone and forgo the Dopp kill for a night.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 04:12:04 pm

And I hadn't remembered the bot flavor, as you mentioned it.  Org was killed by a Human Assassin bot (see Dariush's kill's flavor for the counterpoint) and no one else has claimed the kill.  So either I'm Human or I used Combat Camo on that kill but not Criptfeinds.

1) Is that possible? I don't remember seeing it confirmed or denyed that Exterminators could use the Camo on kills other than their native one. The wording is vague, but leans towards no IMO.

2) Do you think I would have thought that far ahead? (This is the Xantos Gambit part)

1) Yes, Meph confirmed it earlier today. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1779822#msg1779822)
2) It's not that complex a gambit, essentially all it would require is to think ahead to use the camo as a tool for misdirection (masking some kills, but not others); this would be a novel strategy, but not particularly far fetched, and Jim's earlier comments show that it has potential to work. So yes, I do think you are devious enough to try it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 04:58:39 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

1) Is that possible? I don't remember seeing it confirmed or denyed that Exterminators could use the Camo on kills other than their native one. 1) Yes, Meph confirmed it earlier today. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69553.msg1779822#msg1779822)

Neat.

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 04:18:13 pm

2) It's not that complex a gambit, essentially all it would require is to think ahead to use the camo as a tool for misdirection (masking some kills, but not others); this would be a novel strategy, but not particularly far fetched, and Jim's earlier comments show that it has potential to work. So yes, I do think you are devious enough to try it.

Why thank you. Wish I had. :)

I don't have time to try to poke holes in that right now. I'll try before the day ends (unlikely) or if I survive tomorrow (I hope). If I don't, there's really no point...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 06, 2010, 05:05:35 pm

Didn't forget the mindshield.  Just wanted to avoid being killed in the night.

And remember, if I'm the exterminator, the dopp knows I am.  So...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 06:41:24 pm

People.

Let us pursue theories that are the most straightforward with the least amount of qualifications before we start pursuing ridiculously complex theories with multiple unlikely conditions.

For example, here are some straightforward theories:

Toaster could have been lying about his role because it would be easy to fake claim.
Leafsnail could be lying about being a Survivor, as he is two for three for the Exterminator already, and the staggered nature of his claim is suspicious.

Here are some theories that are not straightforward.

JTF and Dariush could be the Exterminator team because they could have picked a Holoform Modulator along with several Assassin Bots as well as Combat Camouflage, which they only used to mask one kill, fake claimed Scanner usage on Day 3, and somehow managed to time their Holoform Modulator perfectly with Toaster's Detective inspect.
Jim Groovester is the final remaining doppelganger because the amount of WIFOM gained from bussing Ottofar, and subsequently losing webadict, and then claiming Kook, was well worth the trade in teammates and loss of a kill.

Don't get carried away with the tech and claim game. That's not to say don't consider it, but if you have to start picking the whole Exterminator tech choices to say that somebody could be scum you're probably going too far.

Keep it simple.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 06, 2010, 03:27:15 pm

Night actions:
(Note: these are just what I would do, feel free to ignore me.)

If Argembarger is town:
- Zathras should block Leafsnail (see below) or one of the people that shouldn't have an action. Might block kill, at least will confirm Zathras again (not that that's necessary).
- Toaster should inspect Jim Groovester. The Kook bit will have no effect. If he's a Dopp Townie, then he would have done the night kill rather than Webadict.
- KaminaSquirtle should guard Toaster or Zathras (without telling us which), they're the most likely to find the dopp.

If Argembarger is the Dopp:
- Zathras should block Leafsnail. The flavor should tell us if he has a Mind Shield or Advanced Mind Shield.
- Toaster should inspect Dariush (to remove the possibility of a Holoform) or Leafsnail (and again the next night to counter a Holoform).
- KaminaSquirtle still on Toaster or Zathras.

Isn't Zathras blocking Leafsnail completely pointless? I don't see why Leafsnail would claim Mind Shield when he had an Advanced Mind Shield, especially if he was the Exterminator. The WIFOM of getting a false positive would be too valuable. I think at best Zathras would just be confirming that Leafsnail has a Mind Shield if he did that, and we don't learn anything new for tomorrow.

I think Zathras' block should go elsewhere, but it's obviously not up to me.

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 06, 2010, 01:27:38 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am

Leafsnail, why did you claim Survivor in the middle of the night in a PM to everybody? And why did you neglect to mention that you had a Mind Shield until today?

Simple answer?  I didn't want to be lynched or NK'd.  Since I'm, y'know, a survivor.  The later in the game it is, the less sense it makes for anyone on any side to kill me.

Why did you wait to claim Mind Shield until the start of the day?

And that doesn't really answer my question. Why during the night? What did you gain from not doing it during Day 3, or at the start of Day 4?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 06, 2010, 06:58:39 pm

Pretty obvious, isn't it?

Not in day 3 to avoid being lynched for it.

Not on day 4 to avoid a nightkill (since I lost my protection on the previous night).

Mind shield because a) it wasn't massclaim time yet, and the message I really wanted to get out was "Dopps and Dariush, don't kill me" (exterminator obviously already knew I was survivor, before you ask) and b) like I said, to avoid being nightkilled for it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 07:03:21 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 06:41:24 pm

For example, here are some straightforward theories:
Toaster could have been lying about his role because it would be easy to fake claim.
Leafsnail could be lying about being a Survivor, as he is two for three for the Exterminator already, and the staggered nature of his claim is suspicious.

I'm right there with you on Toaster, hard to test for, though; less so on Leaf, but it's certainly plausible.

Quote from: Jim

Here are some theories that are not straightforward.
JTF and Dariush could be the Exterminator team because they could have picked a Holoform Modulator along with several Assassin Bots as well as Combat Camouflage, which they only used to mask one kill, fake claimed Scanner usage on Day 3, and somehow managed to time their Holoform Modulator perfectly with Toaster's Detective inspect.

Way to dismiss me as a kook, you kook. I explicitly didn't say it was the most likely, I just wanted to make sure I had the workings right; however, it's not as far fetched as you make it sound: each taking a bot is very straightforward (almost everyone that has access to a bot takes it), the modulator needs not be timed, it's taken at the start of the game, and the camo-as-misdirection is a viable strategy and would leave the ext as almost confirmed townie (as indeed JTF is in some's eyes). All are likely enough on their own, and require no extreme convoluted nested assumptions. Yeah, it's not the simplest possibility, but I don't agree the simplest will be the correct one (maybe the simplest are the first ones for us to test for, but that's not the same thing).

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 06:41:24 pm

I think Zathras' block should go elsewhere, but it's obviously not up to me.

Yeah, there are several interesting possibilities, but of course I won't claim on the thread ahead of time. Suggestions over PM are welcome, of course, but I won't publicly confirm until tomorrow.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 06, 2010, 09:36:31 pm

Unvote.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am

KaminaSquirtle, if I were the Exterminator, why would I claim Kook? Of aaaaaaall potential roles I could choose, why would I pick the worst one ever?

Because I'm an idiot and always manage to forget a key detail or two whenever I have an idea?

This, combined with Zathras's earlier point about blocking Argembarger, make me conclude that he is the most likely scum.

On to the more recent theorymongering.

You guys are overthinking this by quite a bit, I think.  Sure, there could be ext-op, but that would meant there were six scum this game.  I don't know about anyone else, but that seems like quite a few to me.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that would make for a balanced game.  I just think that there are way too many conditions for this theory for it to be likely to be true.  It's still possible, but I think it's unlikely.

So then, if Jim's not exty, that would leave Leafsnail as my choice.  But if he's exty, I can't understand his survivor claim.  Ugh, no one quite fits.  I suppose that's why you guys are theorizing so much.

I wish I could be more active, but I've got a lot of work to do now, there's a math quiz on power series tomorrow.  :/

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 07, 2010, 01:36:25 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 06:41:24 pm

Isn't Zathras blocking Leafsnail completely pointless? I don't see why Leafsnail would claim Mind Shield when he had an Advanced Mind Shield, especially if he was the Exterminator. The WIFOM of getting a false positive would be too valuable. I think at best Zathras would just be confirming that Leafsnail has a Mind Shield if he did that, and we don't learn anything new for tomorrow.

I think Zathras' block should go elsewhere, but it's obviously not up to me.

I'm going on the theory that an Exterminator would have chosen the Advanced Mind Shield, thus not being blocked would be the telling condition for Zathras. Had I been the Exterminator, I probably would have, but I guess not everyone would.

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 07:03:21 pm

I'm right there with you on Toaster, hard to test for, though; less so on Leaf, but it's certainly plausible.

Not really hard to test, if he was lying he's the last Dopp.  Just block him or lynch him tomorrow. Granted, the problem with both of those is that if he's innocent, we lose a Detective / his scan tonight.  Getting one more scan and lynching him if nothing better comes up tonight seems like a stronger plan.

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 06, 2010, 09:36:31 pm

You guys are overthinking this by quite a bit, I think.  Sure, there could be ext-op, but that would meant there were six scum this game.  I don't know about anyone else, but that seems like quite a few to me.  Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think that would make for a balanced game.  I just think that there are way too many conditions for this theory for it to be likely to be true.  It's still possible, but I think it's unlikely.

Six scum isn't necessarily too strong, given that they are on two opposing teams.  Each time needs to wipe out the other to win, so while it's possible for them to work together in the early game, they have to kill each other eventually.  Look back into one of the earlier Paranormals where there were Cultists and Dopps (both roughly equivalent Mafia groups) and all the cross-killing fun that went on there...

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 01:36:48 pm

Thanks Mep. For the group: where I was going with this question was about Janus/Dariush as a team. For them to be it, they'd need two bots, combat camo, a stun orb and a modulator. Ext gets 1 large, 1 medium; he takes replicator and bot. Op gets 1 medium, 2 small; he gets bot, orb, mod. Replicator creates camo. Night one, the Exty Dariush gives camo to Janus the Op, Janus gives the Exty the modulator, Janus bots Org, Dariush (then Soli or Mish or whoever) kills Cript (or Exty Janus keeps camo and makes both kills). Night two, exty does not act or hits Leafsail. Night three Janus/Dariush concoct the claim plan, and were told Toaster inspected and gave the "agent op" as result; Janus gives Dariush the orb, who then goes and gets his way with MBP and Wuba, or one hits MBP and the other Wuba.

All of the tech could work out. Heck, it's actually a reasonable set of choices for an Exterminator / Operative combination, I'll give you that.

A few more potential problems:
- For Night 1 and Night 2, Dariush was Mish. I'm not terribly confident in Mish's ability to do any of this, although that could have been solved by me sending in night actions for both of us.
- Modulating Agent Operative instead of Exterminator Operative seems overly risky as it reflects badly on the other if either is killed or if Toaster inspects either of us tonight (a good reason not to block him for one more night).
- You'll have to take this on WIFOM, but I honestly didn't know that techs could be shared. Now that I do, I hope I get a chance to mess with that in the future.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2010, 01:57:56 pm

The Whiteboard
Argembarger: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Leafsnail, Toaster, Zathras
Jim Groovester : Dariush

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Today

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 07, 2010, 03:56:29 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am

KaminaSquirtle, if I were the Exterminator, why would I claim Kook? Of aaaaaaall potential roles I could choose, why would I pick the worst one ever?

It seriously looks like you could've copied this from the mafiascum wiki page for "WIFOM" then added then added in the relevant details.

The answer is very simple: So you'd be able to say

Quote

If I were the Exterminator, why would I claim Kook? Of aaaaaaall potential roles I could choose, why would I pick the worst one ever?

I mean, if you have a modulator, you can make yourself appear as any role.  If you don't, well, you're screwed if you're inspected whatever role you chose, so why not pick a super-WIFOM one?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 07, 2010, 04:00:52 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 07, 2010, 01:36:25 pm

I'm going on the theory that an Exterminator would have chosen the Advanced Mind Shield, thus not being blocked would be the telling condition for Zathras.

Meph, a question: just like the combat camo, can the advanced mindshield be turned on/off or toned down at will? I mean, if I had an adv. mindshield, could I choose to use it as a normal one so my blocker would know his block failed instead of getting the misleading "success" message?

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 07, 2010, 01:36:25 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 07:03:21 pm

I'm right there with you on Toaster, hard to test for, though; less so on Leaf, but it's certainly plausible.

Not really hard to test, if he was lying he's the last Dopp.  Just block him or lynch him tomorrow.

Well, yeah; if Arg flips town that is a valid test. I rather meant it would be hard to test if Arg flips as the last dopp, as we all seem to think he will.


Dariush: you have not replied to my request of additional flavour on last night actions; your refusal to do so makes you look (even more) scummy. Also, do you still think Jim is the last dopp? I'm not asking you to jump on the wagon, but I want to hear your opinion and arguments on your vote. Do you have any additional ideas for tonight's actions or options?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2010, 04:05:22 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 07, 2010, 04:00:52 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 07, 2010, 01:36:25 pm

I'm going on the theory that an Exterminator would have chosen the Advanced Mind Shield, thus not being blocked would be the telling condition for Zathras.

Meph, a question: just like the combat camo, can the advanced mindshield be turned on/off or toned down at will? I mean, if I had an adv. mindshield, could I choose to use it as a normal one so my blocker would know his block failed instead of getting the misleading "success" message?

An Advanced Mind Shield could be turned off for a night (as could a regular Tech mindshield, but not a natural one). However, that would have to be stated without knowing whether or not they'll be targeted that night.

Similar to a War Vet choosing not to shoot people for an evening. It's an all-or-nothing affair for the night.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 07, 2010, 04:10:43 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 07, 2010, 04:05:22 pm

An Advanced Mind Shield could be turned off for a night (as could a regular Tech mindshield, but not a natural one). However, that would have to be stated without knowing whether or not they'll be targeted that night.

That's sensical.  Makes it rather worthless for Zathras to target Leafsnail though. Hmm. 

Quote from: Zathras on December 07, 2010, 04:00:52 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 07, 2010, 01:36:25 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 06, 2010, 07:03:21 pm

I'm right there with you on Toaster, hard to test for, though; less so on Leaf, but it's certainly plausible.

Not really hard to test, if he was lying he's the last Dopp.  Just block him or lynch him tomorrow.

Well, yeah; if Arg flips town that is a valid test. I rather meant it would be hard to test if Arg flips as the last dopp, as we all seem to think he will.

But if he flips Dopp, that means that Toaster isn't.  It'd be really stupid at this point for town to lie, so that'd mean that he's the Exterminator.  In which case, he didn't lie on any case except maybe Dariush being his Operative, because the rest were confirmed by who would then have to be town.  And if that's the case, then we can theoretically lynch/block Toaster. If the game doesn't end with his death then Dariush is the Operative...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Toaster on December 07, 2010, 04:13:23 pm

Well, if I'm not getting blocked tonight, I do know who I am investigating.  I'll PM the name to someone I trust in the night.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2010, 04:14:20 pm

Quick note, since rereading that I can see a part that could cause confusion.

Advanced Mind Shields require that the person has a natural mind shield. If an Advanced Mind Shield is turned off it reverts to the basic natural mind shield.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 07, 2010, 04:18:25 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 07, 2010, 04:13:23 pm

Well, if I'm not getting blocked tonight, I do know who I am investigating.  I'll PM the name to someone I trust in the night.

I would actually suggest that everyone (well, the people with night actions) do this if they don't mind.  Basically, it will give us a way to still get some information if they die and can allow us to keep them at least somewhat honest.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2010, 04:26:27 pm

Meph, the Exterminator Mind Shield is classified as a natural one then, right?

There would be no reason for the Exterminator to ever turn off his Advanced Mind Shield.

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 07, 2010, 03:56:29 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 06, 2010, 12:03:22 am

KaminaSquirtle, if I were the Exterminator, why would I claim Kook? Of aaaaaaall potential roles I could choose, why would I pick the worst one ever?

It seriously looks like you could've copied this from the mafiascum wiki page for "WIFOM" then added then added in the relevant details.

The answer is very simple: So you'd be able to say

Quote

If I were the Exterminator, why would I claim Kook? Of aaaaaaall potential roles I could choose, why would I pick the worst one ever?

I mean, if you have a modulator, you can make yourself appear as any role.  If you don't, well, you're screwed if you're inspected whatever role you chose, so why not pick a super-WIFOM one?

With clever editing I could say the exact same thing about your role. I mean, Survivor with a Mind Shield just screams Exterminator trying to fake claim.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2010, 04:37:02 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2010, 04:26:27 pm

Meph, the Exterminator Mind Shield is classified as a natural one then, right?

Correct.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 07, 2010, 04:42:41 pm

One more, then: Meph, does the alien survivor get a natural mind shield?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2010, 05:02:46 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 07, 2010, 04:42:41 pm

One more, then: Meph, does the alien survivor get a natural mind shield?

They can, but it's not guaranteed.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Leafsnail on December 07, 2010, 05:29:00 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 07, 2010, 04:26:27 pm

With clever editing I could say the exact same thing about your role. I mean, Survivor with a Mind Shield just screams Exterminator trying to fake claim.

Yeah, but I haven't been WIFOMing my ass off about it in the same way you have.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Zathras on December 07, 2010, 08:31:28 pm

C'mon, end the day already! I have stuff I need to go do, but I don't want to miss the roleflip! It's not like there's a lot of discussion that would be cut off; we're talked out, and night actions will depend on the flip.

^{Sorry, just being impatient...}

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 4 is shadow and light
Post by: Mephansteras on December 07, 2010, 08:42:52 pm

The Whiteboard
Argembarger: JanusTwoface, Jim Groovester, KaminaSquirtle, Leafsnail, Toaster, Zathras
Jim Groovester : Dariush


  Kamina picks up the shotgun and turns to face Argembarger.

  "Sorry. I...uh...really hope you're dopp!" he stammers out.

  "I hate you all" hisses Argembarger. As Kamina levels the shotgun he rushes forward. Kamina yelps and staggers backwards as Arg slashes at him, long talons sprouting from his fingertips.

  Kamina smashes him in the face with the butt of the shotgun. The monster growls in pain, clutching at it's face. Moving quickly Kamina then fires off the gun into its belly.

  The smooth face of a doppelganger is revealed as Argembarger slumps to the ground.

  "I hope the aliens fry you all" he burbles, dark blood flowing down from his mouth. "If I could, I'd kill you all myself.".

  "Oh, shut up" Kamina blasts him in the head with the shotgun. "Vengeful creature, wasn't it?" He asks, looking a bit shaken up.

  Happy, relieved, and a bit shocked at how the day ended you all head off for home. The nightmare is almost over. Assuming you live long enough to deal with the final threat, at least.

---

Night has fallen. Send in your actions!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Night 4
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2010, 11:13:23 am

 You gather again, the few of you that are left.

 KaminaSquirtle, however, fails to show up. Glumly you head off towards his house.

 The place is empty. His door was unlocked, but there are no signs of him or any struggle inside. Strange. Looking around you do find some clues as to what he did. Lots of pictures of him in a security uniform, and even a few ‘Employee of the year’ placards hanging up on the wall. Reading one of them, you see that he was known for being a very Observant Guard.

  Zathras speaks up. "I...may now know where he died". He leads you back to his house.

  There on the ground behind his house you find the body of KaminaSquirtle. He has a large hole burned through his chest, and a look of fear on his face.

  "I'll explain when we get back." He says, sadly.

   Sighing at the loss of such an upstanding citizen you head back to the courthouse.

---

Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 11:22:07 am

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for that meddling chains flavor!
(Congrats, Zath ;D)

//Argembarger shuffles off his mortal coils and his spirit drifts lazily in the void//

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 11:43:47 am

Jim is indeed a Townsperson.

What'd you find out, Zath?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Dariush on December 10, 2010, 12:08:50 pm

Bla-bla-bla ethereal chains wrap around your limbs bla-bla-bla
Hey, proof enough that I'm not exty?

So, the list of suspicions boils down to JTF, Toaster and Leafsnail.
Toaster, what did you find out?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Dariush on December 10, 2010, 12:12:53 pm

Oops, sorry, I'm stupid. I thought you were just deducing from the fact that Argembarger is dopp...

Leafsnail's explanation makes sense and I'll leave JTF for tomorrow, so... Toaster, I hope you realize how much WIFOM you generated when you (may have) killed Kamina, do you?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Night 4
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 12:48:45 pm

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 10, 2010, 11:13:23 am

You gather again, the few of you that are left.
 KaminaSquirtle, however, fails to show up. Glumly you head off towards his house. [...] you see that he was known for being a very Observant Guard.

  Zathras speaks up. "I...may now know where he died". He leads you back to his house.

Kamina! Buddy! Nooooo! You shall be avenged!

Quote from: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 11:43:47 am

Jim is indeed a Townsperson. What'd you find out, Zath?

You know what I found, you filthy alien spawn. I found you gunning for my throat, but valiant Kamina prevented it. It seems town wins this game today, Toaster.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 01:20:23 pm

 ???

I think you need to check your information again.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 01:32:10 pm

I did. Unless someone can come up with a solidly believable way someone may be so convincingly disguised as you, then the message is completely unambiguous: Toaster attacked me last night, (clearly identified in flavour as an alien attack), Kamina was guarding me, and he told me the identity of the attacker (very explicitly, no "it seems like" or "I heard appliance-like sounds"; it was an unambiguous identification of Toaster). I made my escape, but Kamina didn't. Therefore, you are the alien exterminator, and will die today.

I did block Dariush last night, with a success message (i.e., advanced or no mind shield). Given their interaction and the amount of tech used, if the game is not over today we should assume he's the Ext Op, and that he may still have some unclaimed tech at his disposal.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 01:32:57 pm

There's pretty much no way around an Observant Guard tipping you off.

Toaster.

This day's going to be quick. Shorten, anyone?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 01:39:20 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 01:32:57 pm

This day's going to be quick. Shorten, anyone?

I will support that once we hear from everyone, if there is no new information.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Dariush on December 10, 2010, 02:25:48 pm

I concur. Shorten.

Also, why did this night last for TWO AND A HALF days instead of one?!

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2010, 03:22:35 pm

Quote from: Dariush on December 10, 2010, 02:25:48 pm

I concur. Shorten.

Also, why did this night last for TWO AND A HALF days instead of one?!

Because I worked a 16 hour day Wednesday and didn't have the time or energy to finish it until this morning. Jokerman did some of the flavor, but I still had to review it and send out the PMs.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 03:24:29 pm

Toaster.  Shorten.

Although I'd like to say - you did play pretty well.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 03:38:36 pm

Well, that's pretty much everyone but Janus, and he may be otherwise occupied (the day is only a handful of hours old, after all), so unless he objects or has some new information, I also concur and Shorten.

If the game is not over after this, we can discuss alternatives for the Ext Op then. It's not like there'll be many options.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 03:38:45 pm

Some more information, KaminaSquirtle sent me this last night:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 08, 2010, 09:54:02 pm

Just so you know, I'm going to protect Zathras tonight, Janus.

Two options:
- Toaster attacked Zathras and was outed by KaminaSquirtle.
- Zathras is lying to frame Toaster.

On first glance, there's no reason for Zathras to lie to frame Toaster, but think about it.  There are 6 people left.  If we mislynch today and there *is* actually an Exterminator Operative about, that means it will be 2v2 tomorrow and we lose.

I'm hoping I'm just paranoid though. 

There is the bit of flavor from Mephansteras:

Quote from: Mephansteras on December 10, 2010, 11:13:23 am

You gather again, the few of you that are left.
 KaminaSquirtle, however, fails to show up. Glumly you head off towards his house. [...] you see that he was known for being a very Observant Guard.

  Zathras speaks up. "I...may now know where he died". He leads you back to his house.

Combined with the fact that the body was behind Zathras' house makes it look like he was actually guarding him.  But it could just as well mean that KaminaSquirtle went to guard Zathras the Exterminator and got killed for it.  Of course Zathras would know where to find the body.

It's oddly revealing for public flavor in either case.  Although with the ambiguous nature, I guess that's fair enough.

---

Side note:

Quote from: Dariush on December 10, 2010, 02:25:48 pm

Also, why did this night last for TWO AND A HALF days instead of one?!

It's not that bad.  People get busy and it takes time to write just how much flavor goes into the Paranormal games.  Take a look at the reveals at the end of any of the rounds to see just how much gets written each night.  Why we have two people writing flavor this time around in the first place.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 03:40:52 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 03:38:36 pm

If the game is not over after this, we can discuss alternatives for the Ext Op then. It's not like there'll be many options.

Why are you so sure that there is an Exterminator Operative?

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 01, 2010, 03:13:25 pm

• Exterminator
      Race: Alien
      Goal: Kill
      Rules: The doppelganger infestation is a danger to the Alien's people, and it and all traces of it must be wiped from the Earth. The Alien kills one person a night. The Alien wins when they and thier Operative (if there is one) are the only ones left alive. The Exterminator always has a Mind Shield.
      Tech: 1 Medium and 1 Large Tech Slot
      Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead
  

Unless you happen to know there is one?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 03:47:53 pm

 :D

Sure, might as well shorten.  The wool will come off your eyes soon enough, though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 03:49:49 pm

Oh right, forgot to vote for Zathras for his sinful habit of lying.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 03:52:54 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 03:38:45 pm

Some more information, KaminaSquirtle sent me this last night:

Quote from: KaminaSquirtle on December 08, 2010, 09:54:02 pm

Just so you know, I'm going to protect Zathras tonight, Janus.

Two options:
- Toaster attacked Zathras and was outed by KaminaSquirtle.
- Zathras is lying to frame Toaster.

Interesting thought. Option one is of course the most directly probable one. For the second one to be true, Kamina, Argembarger and Dariush would have to have lied about the "chains flavour" thing; a warden can't be an Exterminator. Can you think of a reason or combination of reasons for a townie, a dopp and an alien to all agree to lie for me, three days in a row?

Quote from: JTF

If we mislynch today and there *is* actually an Exterminator Operative about, that means it will be 2v2 tomorrow and we lose.

Another interesting point. But the Op would need to still have a kill left, they don't kill by default, but may have another bot or bomb or something, I don't know. Still, it would also need that I was lying about Toaster, and that all of the above lied for me earlier.

Quote from: JTF

Quote from: Zathras

If the game is not over after this, we can discuss alternatives for the Ext Op then.

Why are you so sure that there is an Exterminator Operative?

I'm not, the text you quote is clearly conditional if. I'm not sure there's one, but there may be, we don't know how much of the tech used ostensibly by Dariush N3 was his or Toaster's, or other leftover unclaimed tech, so I'm not sure by count of tech if it's all accounted for or not.

But it's good you're thinking of options. Will you cast a vote? Will you object to the shorten request?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 03:59:33 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 03:49:49 pm

Oh right, forgot to vote for Zathras for his sinful habit of lying.

Quote from: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 03:47:53 pm

Sure, might as well shorten.  The wool will come off your eyes soon enough, though.

These do not go together. 

If you're town, then you're essentially throwing away the game.  I doubt Zathras would have tried this unless he had an Operative and knew that he'd win if he succeeded.

If you're the Exterminator, you've basically signed your own death warrant by asking to shorten the day as well.  Heck, everyone except me has asked to shorten the day already and we're barely a few hours in... :-\

The only way this makes sense is if you happen to be the Exterminator Operative, but that barely makes sense either, because that would mean that Zathras is your exterminator otherwise why/how would he say that you did the kill last night. Thus you'd still lose.

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Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 03:52:54 pm

Interesting thought. Option one is of course the most directly probable one. For the second one to be true, Kamina, Argembarger and Dariush would have to have lied about the "chains flavour" thing; a warden can't be an Exterminator. Can you think of a reason or combination of reasons for a townie, a dopp and an alien to all agree to lie for me, three days in a row?

Luckily / sadly no.  It would have been impressive though. I'll admit to not thinking through all of the details before posting. I didn't want the shortens to end the day before even getting a chance to say anything (although I don't think that would have happened in any case).

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 03:52:54 pm

Another interesting point. But the Op would need to still have a kill left, they don't kill by default, but may have another bot or bomb or something, I don't know. Still, it would also need that I was lying about Toaster, and that all of the above lied for me earlier.

No, just the exterminator kill.  Losing 1 to mislynch and 1 to the Extermintor kill would have put us at 2v2 by itself.

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 03:52:54 pm

But it's good you're thinking of options. Will you cast a vote? Will you object to the shorten request?

I can't really fit all of the details though, so you're probably right.  Toaster and no.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 04:36:33 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 03:49:49 pm

Oh right, forgot to vote for Zathras for his sinful habit of lying.

Just to make sure we got your claim straight, what am I lying about? Are you claiming I'm the exterminator? So when you earlier claimed you "detected" me, and that I was "telling the truth" was I using a modulator? And then conveniently the four people I claimed to have blocked claimed that they were indeed blocked? Or what is your claim for what happened last night?

Oh right, you were sitting quietly at home "detecting" Jim, while your evil twin went out to try to kill me and got Kamina instead, getting fingered in the process... right. Unfortunately, your claim on Jim is also bullshit:

Quote from: Toaster

Jim is indeed a Townsperson.

Quote from: rules

Townie
    Visible Role: No Role
Doppelganger
    Visible Role: No Role
Survivor
    Visible Role: No Role

Detective
    Rules: During the night, the Detective can investigate a character to determine what role, if any, the character possesses. Roles with the 'Visible Role' tag will show that role instead of thier actual Role.

There ain't such thing as a "Townsperson" role, if you had been a detective you would have seen "no role", which could also be true of a survivor (or a number of dopps, but we're out of those), so your very original "he's telling the truth" is you taking the safe fakeclaim route again.

Why don't you go ahead and claim now, to save us the uncertainty? Do you have an Op, or will the game be over today?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 04:43:29 pm

I won't stand for that slight to my honor, sir!



I did remember to ask Meph on what the detective would see- I just forgot it when I saw that whole Kamina deal.

You'll just have to live with the uncertainty though!  At least I purged some of your dopp scum for you.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 04:46:26 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 04:36:33 pm

There ain't such thing as a "Townsperson" role, if you had been a detective you would have seen "no role", which could also be true of a survivor (or a number of dopps, but we're out of those), so your very original "he's telling the truth" is you taking the safe fakeclaim route again.

I actually am a Townsperson, as in, that's my role name. However, it's not clear what I would show up as to a Detective inspect.

Townsperson might just be the default 'no role' result that Detectives will get.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 04:47:24 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 04:43:29 pm

I won't stand for that slight to my honor, sir!

Honourable stance noted, slight withdrawn. Well played, sir!

Quote from: Toaster

You'll just have to live with the uncertainty though!  At least I purged some of your dopp scum for you.

Yup, thanks for offing Webadict. That was very welcome.

And with that claim, I call for an End Day.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 04:58:22 pm

Yeah, I don't think anyone would object to ending the day right now.

The public flavour is probably because there's no way it wouldn't come to light anyway.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 05:00:36 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 04:47:24 pm

And with that claim, I call for an End Day.

As opposed to just shortening?

There's already a provision for this in the rules:

Quote from: Mephansteras on November 01, 2010, 03:13:25 pm

Nights will last for 24 hours or until I've heard from each player with a night role, whichever comes first.
  In the event of night role collision, see the order of presidence below. All actions within the same level are assumed to happen simultaniously.
  The Doppelgangers may choose to skip thier night kill. They may only do this twice in a row before their bloodlust forces them to kill.

:D

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 04:58:22 pm

The public flavour is probably because there's no way it wouldn't come to light anyway.

True enough, but public confirmation for anything is always powerful.  I felt the same way about being able to set off the day-killing Assassin Bots in the thread versus PM.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 05:02:42 pm

Well, you could easily announce a kill in the thread AND send a pm at the same time.  There's no real reason not to allow it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 05:13:13 pm

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 05:00:36 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 04:47:24 pm

And with that claim, I call for an End Day.

As opposed to just shortening?

Uhm.. whatever; I assume shortening means day lasts 24 hours instead of 48, while ending means "as soon as Meph gets around to it". Since the lynch is inevitable, the sooner the better so we can either celebrate or evaluate where we are... speaking of which, Meph, a question:

Quote from: rules

# Survivor
    Visable Role: No Role
    Race: Alien
    Goal: Survive
    Rules: The Alien is there for some other purpose, and is simply hiding as a human. Their only goal is to survive until the end of the game. They win as long as they are alive, regardless of which side wins.
    Tech: 1 Small Tech Slot
    Victory: Is alive and unabducted at the end of the game
# Exterminator
    Race: Alien
    Goal: Kill
    Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead

Meph: If we got into a situation of 2 town vs. Ext-Op+Survivor, would the aliens win? Or do the Ext team need the survivor dead to win?

If the game is not over, and the survivor would help the Ext Op win, then we should lynch Leafsnail first, instead of risking a mislynch on the Op...  just a thought.

Quote from: JTF

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 04:58:22 pm

The public flavour is probably because there's no way it wouldn't come to light anyway.

True enough, but public confirmation for anything is always powerful.  I felt the same way about being able to set off the day-killing Assassin Bots in the thread versus PM.

I don't get what you guys are talking about here regarding the public flavour... is it about Kamina's death, or Jim's role? As far as Jim's, I think a detective would explicitly get "no role" instead of "townsperson", as I read the rules, otherwise they'd get "townsperson" for survivors too; and Toaster did claim he asked Meph what a detective would see, and then forgot...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 05:15:10 pm

I'm not gonna side with the operative.  He has no kill, and no sway over me.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 05:23:07 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 05:02:42 pm

Well, you could easily announce a kill in the thread AND send a pm at the same time.  There's no real reason not to allow it.

Nah, the better solution (in my opinion) is what we have now with no day actions.  This way, all actions happen during the night / morning and you get a little more cross actions going on.  Basically, making it harder to auto-confirm either role or alignment.  There's still some of it, but just judging from the craziness that's been going on from my Assassin Bot and Zathras' blockings it's working to suppress confirmation without a significant amount of effort.

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 05:13:13 pm

If the game is not over, and the survivor would help the Ext Op win, then we should lynch Leafsnail first, instead of risking a mislynch on the Op...  just a thought.

I wouldn't be opposed to lynching Leafsnail, if only to get him for dogging me for so long... >:( :) Doesn't seem like something that needs doing. Especially with his most recent response.

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 05:13:13 pm

I don't get what you guys are talking about here regarding the public flavour... is it about Kamina's death, or Jim's role? As far as Jim's, I think a detective would explicitly get "no role" instead of "townsperson", as I read the rules, otherwise they'd get "townsperson" for survivors too; and Toaster did claim he asked Meph what a detective would see, and then forgot...

Kamina's death and the Assassin Bot from previous rounds. The day opening flavor said that Kamina's body was found at your house and that you might know something about it. Which basically confirmed that he tried to guard you and that (because we knew he was an Observant Guard) you would know who the Exterminator was.  It has more weight than you claiming the same thing because the mod won't lie. You could. Be mistaken, sure. But not lie. (except in a bastard mod, which at least this round Paranormal isn't)

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 05:15:10 pm

I'm not gonna side with the operative.  He has no kill, and no sway over me.

But you'd say this no matter what you actually were planning... If you said you were going to work with the (still hypothetical) Exterminator Operative, then we'd lynch you just to be sure. Not a terribly solid plan. Especially when you still easily *be* the Operative...

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 05:58:12 pm

The survivor plays with the side that's winning.

Pop quiz: With 5 players alive (including two confirmed townies and a roleblocker) and 1 scum who has no kill, who's winning?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 06:04:37 pm

Gee, I dunno, I think we need to really overanalyze and overthink things in this stage of the game.

I couldn't answer you because of how ahead of myself I'm getting.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 06:05:20 pm

New theory.  Can anyone poke any holes in it:

- Toaster has a Deadman's Bomb. When he dies he takes me (as the last to vote) and some random person with him. (3 players left, assuming that Leafsnail and an Operative survive, 2 are Alien)
- Toaster had an Assassin Bot left, which he gave to his Operative (could have been Dariush)
- The Operative uses the Assassin Bot to kill the remaining Townie.
- Leafsnail and the Operative win.

It depends the Survivor being able to be counted as Exterminator-aligned and on the Deadman Bomb's second target not hitting Leafsnail or the Operative, but it could work (so far as I can tell).  It's risky, but it's better than no chance at all.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 06:07:32 pm

Also:

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 06:04:37 pm

Gee, I dunno, I think we need to really overanalyze and overthink things in this stage of the game.

Nothing else to do really, other than hope I'm wrong and wait for the game to end... :)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 06:18:26 pm

You could try waiting instead of obsessing over long shot scenarios where the town loses.

Go read a book or take a walk or something and stop making yourself look stupid with the application of intelligence to problems that don't require any.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 06:33:33 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 05:58:12 pm

The survivor plays with the side that's winning.

I think that's for Meph to answer... I don't think it's your choice at all, just a function of who's left.

Quote from: Leafsnail

Pop quiz: With 5 players alive (including two confirmed townies and a roleblocker) and 1 scum who has no kill, who's winning?

Who are these "confirmed townies" of whom you speak? I may be overly paranoid, but I'm not quite 100% sold on any of you scummaggots being confirmed.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 06:07:32 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 06:04:37 pm

Gee, I dunno, I think we need to really overanalyze and overthink things in this stage of the game.

Nothing else to do really, other than hope I'm wrong and wait for the game to end... :)

Right there with ya'. Sure, it's not useful in the strictest sense of the word, but it's fun. Jim, don't be a humourless git again.

Quote from: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 06:05:20 pm

New theory.  Can anyone poke any holes in it:
- Toaster has a Deadman's Bomb. When he dies he takes me (as the last to vote) and some random person with him. (3 players left, assuming that Leafsnail and an Operative survive, 2 are Alien)
- Toaster had an Assassin Bot left, which he gave to his Operative (could have been Dariush)
- The Operative uses the Assassin Bot to kill the remaining Townie.
- Leafsnail and the Operative win.

It depends the Survivor being able to be counted as Exterminator-aligned and on the Deadman Bomb's second target not hitting Leafsnail or the Operative, but it could work (so far as I can tell).  It's risky, but it's better than no chance at all.

If that's the tech they still have, it's not even risky, it's just random chance and their only choice. Not like they can change it or choose their targets. Yes, there's that outside chance of them still winning, and there's still some tech unaccounted for. We'll see. It's also true that we don't quite know if the Op has no kills left, which makes the question of Leafsnail's ultimate siding and lynching more important.

But it has been a hell of a fun game regardless.  8-)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 06:39:57 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 06:33:33 pm

Quote from: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 05:58:12 pm

The survivor plays with the side that's winning.

I think that's for Meph to answer... I don't think it's your choice at all, just a function of who's left.

Uh, what I meant is that I'll play for the side that's winning because that's what a survivor does.  Especially if the scum has no kill...

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 06:33:33 pm

Who are these "confirmed townies" of whom you speak? I may be overly paranoid, but I'm not quite 100% sold on any of you scummaggots being confirmed.

Frankly, I'd be staggered if you, Janus or Dariush are scum.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 06:45:54 pm

Dariush? Really? He's my top pick for the Op given his N3 and interactions with Toaster. Jim is my second choice, but I find it within the realm of the possible that Janus or you are it, and just playing very well to conceal it. That's what I mean by none confirmed.

...and that's also why I'm paranoid about an Op mislynch tomorrow, and why if the game is not over I'm in favour of lynching you first unless Meph categorically says it doesn't matter.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Day 5
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2010, 07:39:47 pm

  JanusTwoFace picks up the shotgun and levels it at Toaster.

  "Time to die, alien scum!" He cries, with a triumphant grin on his face.

  "Oh, shut up." says Toaster, pulling a strange looking gun out of his coat. Janus is too surprised to fire in time, and the room is blinded by a flash of light.  Stunned, you hear a cry of pain and then a loud thud.

  As your eyes adjust back you see Dariush standing over the prone form of Toaster, a chair held in his hands. Janus, meanwhile, lies on the ground with one arm missing below the elbow. Dariush calmly picks up the blaster and plugs the Exterminator with a few bolts of plasma.

  "Well, Scientist, I think you should look into moving over to cybernetics next. You're going to need a new arm."

  Janus can only groan in response.

  "For the rest of you, I'm going to contact your government. Now that the Doppelgangers and Exterminator have been eliminated it should be safe enough."

  Zathras looks around. "Um, well, I guess we need to get Janus some medical attention."

  "Yeah." mutters Jim. "Uh, Dariush, think you can get a medivac when you call this in. I think he's going to need it."

  Holding a phone and typing rapidly Dariush looks up. "Already on it."

  "Hey, what happened to Leafsnail?"

  "Eh, probably made a break for it as soon as he saw the blaster come out. Typical Survivor behavior, really." Dariush finishes up his message.

  "We'll keep tabs on him. Don't worry."

  -----

  A few hours later black helicopters land. Janus is taken off to a nearby hospital, and the rest of you are taken off by government agents. You've survived, but none of you will be the same after this.

---

Ok, Game Over!

Hopefully everyone had fun.

And thanks to Jokerman-EXE for being my co-mod. He was quite helpful, especially with how busy I've been recently. Hopefully he's also gotten some good ideas about how to run a game himself.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2010, 07:43:53 pm

Spoiler: Role PMs (click to show/hide)

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Doppelgangers

You awaken in a strange place. You not why you are here. Only that you have to feed.

After ambushing some of the locals, things begin to clear in your mind.

You are a group. You exist to prey upon these humans. But they know you are here, and are fighting back. You must lurk among them, kill them, and escape to find new hunting grounds.

Each night you may choose to Kill one of the citizens of the town.

Eduren
    You consumed a former soldier. As a Vengful Guard you may choose to Protect one person each night. If they are attacked you will kill their attacker. However, you will also die in their stead.
    You also seem to have a strange Anti-Tech Field around you. Any Tech items targeting you will fail to work properly.

Ottofar
    You consumed a police officer. You can use his skills to act as a Guardian. Each night you can Protect another player and prevent them from being killed that night.

Pandarsenic
    You are different from your fellows. Though you gained no special skills from the human you consumed, you still know that you are...special. You area a Tough Doppelganger, and you are immune to normal night kills.

webadict
    You are the Leader of this group. You are more skilled at seeming human, and cannot be detected for what you are by an Agent. You may choose who will perform the Night Kill of the group, and who will be targeted.

You four also have a special chat where you can communicate in secret: http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/LWnnZdYMz5ZGR

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Criptfeind (Human)
    You are a Medium, specially tuned into the spirit world. You have access to the Dead chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE) and may freely PM with any of the dead.

--

JanusTwoface (Human)
    You are an independant Military Scientist. Considering your strange habits, one might even call you a Mad Scientist. In any case, you have a special invention you’ve been working on. Seems you might need to test it out earlier than you’d thought.

--

Jim Groovester (Human)
    You are a regular Townsperson, just trying to survive the nightmare.
    Unfortunately, you’re also a bit of a Kook. It’d be easy for someone to mistake you for a doppelganger. You’ll have to be careful.

--

KaminaSquirtle (Human)
    After working security so long you’ve trained yourself to be an Observent Guard. Each night you can choose to Protect someone. If they are attacked you’ll be able to save them, and even tell them who their attacker is! Sadly, it is quite likely that you’ll die in the attack instead of them.

--

Leafsnail (Alien)
    You’ve always been a Survivor. Running from planet to planet, trying to avoid the horrors that your family has brought upon themselves. This time, though, it seems you’ve picked a bad hiding spot. You’ll have to keep your head down to survive long enough to get out of this place. Fortuately for you, you’ve managed to keep a Small bit of tech with you.
   
          In addition you possess a natural Mind Shield that should help protect you from any psychic attacks.

--

Mr.Person (Human)
    You are an Agent sent to this town by the government to try and ferret out some suspected Doppelgangers. Each night you can Investigate someone to determine their species.

--

Mysteriousbluepuppet (Human)
    You’re a fine upstanding citizen. Always willing to help your neighbors, no matter the cost to yourself. And now you find yourself in the position of a Heroic Guard. Each night you can choose to Protect someone. If they are attacked, you’ll die in their stead. But due to your heroic nature you’ll protect them as long as possible, so even if they are attacked multiple times you can keep them from harm.

--

Org (Human)
    You are a Medium, specially tuned into the spirit world. You have access to the Dead chat (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE) and may freely PM with any of the dead.

--

SHAD0Wdump (Human)
    You are a powerful Telepath. Each night you can Scan the mind of another player to determine what Goal they have that night. As this is a psychic power, you need not leave your house to perform the scan.

--

Solifuge (Alien)
    You are a special Operative, working with the human government to assist an Agent they have investigating a possible Doppelganger infestation. You arrived in town undercover and are awaiting notification of who the Agent is. You will get that information as part of the first Night’s actions.

 To aid you in your task you have been granted One Medium Tech and Two Small Techs. Choose wisely.

--

Toaster (Alien)
    More doppelganger infestations on the Planet Earth. As an Exterminator it is your job to wipe all traces of this infestation out. Destroy ever living being in that town and report back.

 To aid you in this you have been granted a Medium Tech item and a Large Tech item. Choose wisely.

    You may also choose to have a Mind Shield or Anti-Tech Field implant to help disrupt any opposition. This is in addition to your regular tech slots.

--

Zathras (Human)
    You are a Psychic Warden. Part of an Ancient Order trained in mystic arts, each night you may use the Ritual of Subdual to Block another player from performing any actions. As a Psychic ability, this does not require that you leave your house.

Spoiler: Night 1 (click to show/hide)

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Night 1
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Criptfiend

You are sitting in your home, pondering the strange events and fretting over the consequences. You mourn the loss of a good townsperson and briefly toy with the idea of calling on SHAD0Wdump's spirit to talk.

Before you can begin your work, however, you hear a knock at the door. Curiosity outweighs fear - who and why are they here, you ask yourself as you head for the door. Opening it just a crack, you see...Toaster? You open the door wider as you recognize him, beckoning him in as a good host.

You turn away to allow him to come in and hear a strange whirring noise, similar to a build-up of energy. Before you can turn there is a bright flash and your world goes black.

You have been killed, and your soul slips away to limbo... http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE

Eduren

You flex your claws in anticipation for the night's activities, slipping out of your house and rendezvousing with your partner Ottofar. After a silent exchange to finalize plans, he slips off into the night to protect your leader, webadict.

After a few seconds, you head off after him, staying out of sight and ready to leap to his aid if he comes under attack. He makes it safely to webadict, however, and your services are not needed this night.

JanusTwoFace
You sit in your lab, tinkering with the finer parts of your Assassin Bot. A well-built, oiled and tuned killing machine, it is. T'would be a waste to let it sit in this lab and rust, you muse to yourself.

So why waste it?

You pull out your PDA and quickly program a target into the Bot: Org. It acknowledges with a beep its receipt of your orders and sets off into the night.

Several minutes later, your PDA receives an update that simply states: MISSION: ACCOMPLISHED. You smirk to yourself and go to bed.

Kamina Squirtle
You finish strapping on your boots and make sure that your jacket is snug; it's going to be a long, cold night. You slip out of your home and take the back roads until you arrive at the home of your charge, Jim Groovester.

After a bit of looking around, you find a good place to settle in and be comfortable. You prepare yourself for a long night of watching over him, though in the end your abilities were not put to use.

Ah well. Someone had to do it, right?

Mr.Person
You decided a while ago that you would not be going to sleep tonight until you had satisfied your curiosity. Your investigative talents should help you this time around.

The night falls and you sneak out of your house, determined to investigate Zathras. You arrive at his flat and poke around for a bit, making sure to keep an eye on him from outside the house. After an hour or two, however, you can safely conclude that he is a human, and not one of those creatures.

Satisfied, you head home for the night.

Mysteriousbluepuppet
The town is in danger, that's for sure. Luckily, you're a pretty skilled fighter yourself, and you know you can take care of anything that comes your way.

In fact, you could probably take care of anything that came someone else's way too. But who?

You pick webadict out of the crowd and decide that it is he who will receive your guardianship tonight. When the sun sets, you make your way over to his place and stand watch. After a few hours of nothing happening, you begin to realize that your services aren't necessary this evening, though you stick it out til the end.

When the sun begins to rise and nothing has happened to webadict, you decide to go home.

Org
Your armchair is particularly comfy as you sink into it this evening. Too much has happened in the past two days for you to truly relax, but this is a nice start.

You begin to ponder the day's events, and you find yourself thinking about SHAD0Wdump's unfortunate demise. You could always speak to him from beyond the threshold of this world, you realize, but that might be a misuse of your powers. You have a feeling that they're going to be needed a lot in the coming days.

As you sit in your chair, however, you hear a buzzing noise followed by the crash of glass breaking. You leap up and spin around to see a small metal man staring at you over the barrel of its rotating vulcan gun, and the last thing you can think is that your death is utterly ironic before the bullets tear into you.

You have died, and your soul slips away... http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE

Ottofar
It's hard to contain your glee as you creep out of the home of the man you consumed. Running free in the town with your allies, killing and eating to your heart's content? Heaven.

You meet up with Eduren before you race off to webadict. You feel secure knowing there's another of your kind at your back, which makes it all the more easy for you to feel ready to guard your third team member. Soon enough, you're in position to watch webadict's back for the night.

Sadly, nothing happens. When dawn comes, you head back home to sulk.

Pandarsenic
You lick your fangs hungrily as you prepare to head out for the night. You have been charged with the killing tonight, and you won't let your team down.

Besides, you're getting rather hungry.

Sure that your allies are in position and ready to go, you take a step towards the door. When your foot hits the ground, however, it feels as though the world falls away. Dizzy, you sink to one knee and push another step forward. Soon, your head and eyes become heavy, and it is all you can do to drag yourself to the door. You prop yourself up against it before you sink into the darkest, most unrelenting sleep you have ever experienced. You will not awaken tonight.


Mish
You set up your scanner at home, settling in for the night. In a few minutes you should have the results of your scan on JanusTwoFace.

As you wait, you receive an update on your government-issued cell phone. You glance it over to see that they have informed you that Mr.Person is the Agent you have been assigned to assist. Your initial satisfaction is darkened, however, by the disclaimer stating that their sources could not identify whether or not Mr.Person is a doppleganger at this point.

A soft ping alerts you to the end of your scan. You read over the results, and it appears that JanusTwoFace is a Human Military Scientist. You have received quite a bit of information tonight; you head to bed to mull it all over before the next day.

Toaster
These humans and their quarrels - they mean nothing to an Exterminator like yourself. Your goal is to just wipe them all out anyway, so why worry about their problems?

Before you leave your home, you set up a scanner and target it to Pandarsenic. The results should be in by the time you finish your business, so off you go.

A few minutes later, you find yourself outside of Criptfiend's home. You knock on the door, knowing he'll open for an acquaintance. When he does, you make no sign of hostility until he turns his back. When he does, you pull out your ray-gun and charge it briefly. Before Criptfiend can turn, you fire a shot into the back of his head, exterminating him and laughing quietly to yourself.

Your work done for the night, you head home and check on your scanner. Your eyes widen as you reread the information on Pandarsenic. It seems he is a Tough Doppleganger. Interesting.

Zathras
Sitting in your home, you find yourself thinking about the recent events in your town with some anxiety. You realize that it is in your power to make some kind of impact on the situation, given your somewhat unique powers; after all, no one in the town knows what you can do.

Meditating briefly, you picture a face before you: Pandarsenic. Extending your will, you visualize a chain connecting the two of you, then wrapping around him and binding him tight. After a few seconds, you feel the feedback that indicates that your warding was a success.

Spoiler: Night 2 (click to show/hide)

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Night 2
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Argembarger

Your leader has issued his command and sent you out to execute one of those pathetic humans. It’s not what you’re used to, being a guard, but you’re not complaining. In fact, you can feel the bloodlust rise in you as you head out. To kill...there will be nothing sweeter.

Slipping out of your house, you stick to the shadows as you creep your way to Mr.Person’s abode. You find an open window and slip inside, silent as a shadow. He is sitting in his study, his back to you. This is far too easy for one such as you.

You step silently behind him and your claws rip into his throat before he can fight back. Grinning you grab the body and hoist it over your shoulder. The prey has been slain, now you must drag it back so that all may feast.

KaminaSquirtle

You are once again ready to defend someone’s life from the menace that is threatening your town. You grab your coat and are heading for the door when suddenly your limbs feel incredibly heavy. You gasp as you feel the sensation of a heavy chain coiling around your body.

You fall back, unable to fight sleep away. You awaken the next morning with a splitting headache, but are otherwise unharmed.

Mr.Person

You decide to use your government resources and your observations to investigate one of the people around you. You choose webadict, and after a long process of cross-referencing and observational studies, you have come to the conclusion that webadict is human.

You lean back in your chair after finding this out and take a deep breath. At that point, razor-sharp claws tear into you from behind and you rapidly bleed to death.

You have been eviscerated, and your blood leaves your body, taking your soul with it... http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE

Mysteriousbluepuppet

Like the hero that you are, you leave your home with the intent to defend someone around you - with your life, if necessary. You head out into the dark and find Argembarger, making sure he’s safe from harm.

Nothing happens that requires your assistance, however, and you head home satisfied.

Ottofar

You know your role. Stretching and flexing your powerful muscles, you slip through the night to protect your leader.

Webadict remains safe throughout the night, and you head to your house to prepare for the day.

Toaster

Time to strike again. You really are starting to enjoy this.

Tonight you leave your home and head right for Leafsnail’s home. Along the way, you set up your scanner to analyze Mr.Person, then put it off to one side to do what you came to do. You’re nearly to Leafsnail’s house, after all.

Once there you scout out the house. Only a single light is on, in the bedroom. Moving carefully around you find a good vantage point. You can see him moving inside.

You raise your weapon and fire a shot as he moves into view, but he moves back at the last second and the bolt shatters the wall next to him. Cursing, you move to a different window. You see the heat of his form running down a hallway and you fire again. The blast strikes him in the back and tumbles over a couch and out of sight.

Lights are coming on in the houses nearby, so you’ll have to trust that your target is dead. You cannot risk confirming the kill if it attracts too much attention.

Returning the way you came you grab up your scanner and head back to view the results.

Your scanner has completed its search. You find that Mr.Person is not only human, but also the Agent. Interesting. You head back to your home to sleep and prepare for the next day. There is still much work to do.

Zathras

You sit down in your library and close your eyes. They don’t believe your claim, huh? Well, sucks for them.

You reach out with your mind, envisioning the face of KaminaSquirtle. You extend your power and you feel the ethereal chains slithering out from you and connecting you to him. He won’t be doing anything tonight.

Leafsnail

You’re pacing in your house. Trying to determine who is what in this town. You’ve got to be smart, got to figure out how to stay alive through this mess.

As you turn to make another round about the room a bolt of plasma strikes the wall next to you. A shower of charred plaster explodes around you. Hearts pumping you turn and run. Deeper into the house, get away from window. HOW DID THEY FIND YOU?

As you rush down the hallway you feel a blast of heat at your back. You’re propelled forward and tumble over the couch. Stunned, you manage to crawl beneath the coffee table for some added protection as you take stock.

Unhurt. Looks like your shield did its job. But the device was overloaded by the attack. Useless, now. Nothing can protect you if the hunter is still out there.

As dawn arrives you sigh in relief that you still live. But you’ll have to figure out who attacked you and how to get rid of them. You aren’t sure you’ll survive another attack.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mephansteras on December 10, 2010, 07:45:28 pm

Spoiler: Night 3 (click to show/hide)

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Night 3
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Argembarger  Doppelganger  Vengful Guard/Anti-Tech        Kill Zathras  Blocked 

 The decision to kill Zathras finally reached, you begin preparing yourself for the hunt. But as you do so you fell a strange sensation come across your body. As if something large had brushed against you.

 Puzzled, you look around.

 Nothing.

 Then you feel a tingling, and a tightening sensation. It’s as if you were being wrapped in invisible coils of chain. You struggle, trying to move away and shake off the feeling. But the chains tighten and you feel the energy draining out of you. Your muscles grow weak, and thoughts begin to grow dim.

 The last thing you remember is collapsing on the floor.

  You awaken next morning with a pounding headache and a rumbling belly. You claws dig furrows in the carpet as you drag yourself to your feet.

 The humans will pay for this.

--

KaminaSquirtle  Human  Observent Guard        Protect Zathras  protects 

 You station yourself outside of Zathras’ house and setting in for a long wait. Hopefully nothing will happen, but you’re ready if something does.

 Fortunately, your skills are not needed and you are able to head home for a few hours of sleep before the next day’s trials begin.

--

Mysteriousbluepuppet  Human  Heroic Guard        Protect Zathras  protects, assassinated 

 You station yourself outside of Zathras’ house and setting in for a long wait. Hopefully nothing will happen, but you’re ready if something does.

 Fortunately, your skills are not needed and you head home to grab a few hours of sleep before the next day’s trials.

 You awaken with a start. Your eyes are heavy, and it feels like you’ve barely slept. Puzzled, you look around to see if you can figure out what woke you up.

 There. A sound from outside.

 Cautiously you move towards the window, keeping as much of your body out of sight as you can. Once next to it you risk a quick peek outside.

 Staring back at you is a strange metallic object floating in the air. An orb of blue light at its center grows brighter. You throw yourself away from the window as the world explodes in light and heat.

 You soul drifts off to the void (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE).
--

Dariush  Alien  Agent Operative/Anti-Tech        Assassinate Mysteriousbluepuppet, stun Webadict  Assassinates, Stuns

 Much to do this night.

 First, you set your assassin bot to target Mysteriousbluepuppet. It acknowledges your order and floats off into the night.

 Next you gather up your stun orb. You take a deep breath and head off into the night.

 Slipping through the shadows you find your way to webadict’s house. You active the orb and send it floating off towards the house and quickly retreat out of range. You hear the buzz as it activates and watch as it flares brightly before disintegrating.

 Webadict is neutralized. You return to your house, hoping that you’ve made the right decisions.
--

Toaster  Alien  Exterminator/Mind Shield        Kill Webadict  Kills

 You silently make your way through the sleeping town. After a bit of pondering you’ve decided that Webadict is the greatest threat at the moment, so you make your way to his house.

 Human locks are simple things, and easily opened with the right tools. You slowly make your way into the house.

 A single room is lit, so you cautiously move towards it. If he’s awake, you don’t want him to know you’re here until it is too late.

 Once near the room you snake a camera into it. Webadict sits slumped in a chair, his features slack. You can hear him breathing, however, so he’s not dead.

 Well, not yet anyway.

 With a quick step you come around the doorway and level your blaster at his head. He doesn’t even twitch, and with a quick blast you make sure he never wakes up.

 After gathering up your camera you head out, making sure to lock the door as you leave. No reason to make things easy on people, now is there?
--

Zathras  Human  Psychic Warden        Block Argembarger  Blocks 

 Another day survived. Another chance to ply your craft and hopefully save what’s left of this town.

 You sit down and slip into the trance of the Warden.

 Your thoughts coalesce, and then center on Argembarger. He is a threat, and you cannot allow him to move this night.

 Casting forth the Chains of Subdual you send out your power. In your mind you see the chains wrapping around him. He struggles, but it is no use. Slowly his energy ebbs, and the chains tighten.

 Soon you release the chains and snap back to your body. The ritual is complete, and he will do nothing this night.
--

webadict  Doppelganger  Leader          Stunned, Dies

 You sit at your desk, the lone lamp the only light on in the house. You’ve made calls, sent out messages.

 Argembarger has been given his instructions.

 Now, you can only sit. And wait. And see what happens.

 You hear a faint buzzing sound from outside. Puzzled, you lift your head.

 A wave of tingling energy washes over you. You shudder, muscles clenching and twitching. You start to rise, but your body collapses back into the chair.

 You growl in frustration, but it is no use. The energy seeps from your body and your eyelids droop. Try as you might, you cannot stay awake.

 Slumping into your chair you have a last befuddled thought. You forgot to turn out the light.

 Your soul awakens in the void. (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE)

Spoiler: Night 4 (click to show/hide)

KaminaSquirtle

It’s getting to be more important that you protect the people around you that you believe are town; as your numbers dwindle, so do your options. Leaving your house once again, you make your way to Zathras’ side, staying in the shadows and preparing to protect him.

On the way there, however, you see another figure moving in the darkness. Curiosity and suspicion growing, you creep in that direction. Peering out through the bushes you see Toaster moving purposfully toward’s Zathras’s house with some sort of strange gun in hand!

You break and run towards the house. You’ve got to warn Zathras!

As you turn a corner, however, you hear a buzzing buildup and a bright flash of light blinds you. You scream as searing pain washes over you, but you manage to stagger around the corner. Another flash of light sizzles by, and you see a tree branch explode into flames.

Moving quickly you head to the back of the house. Seeing a light on in a window you pound on it. A hand carefully appears and pushes up the window.

“Who is that? What do you want?” Zathras sounds terrified.

“Kamina.” You gasp. “It’s Toaster! He’s after you.”

“Oh, hell! Run! I’m getting out of here too!” The window shuts.

Turning to leave you see Toaster round the corner. He raises the weapon, and the last thing you see is a flash of light.

The attack carries you off to the afterlife (http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE).

Dariush

As you sit in your home, toying with your used-up items, you feel a strange tightening in your chest. Dropping your old scanner, you stumble towards the kitchen.

You hardly make it two steps before you feel the ethereal chains wrapping around your limbs, binding you tight. The world spins and you fall to the floor, too exhausted to care as you sink into sleep on the hard wood.

You awaken the next morning, head pounding and limbs aching.

Toaster

Time to kill again. You leave your home, plasma weapons at the ready, and head towards the only person who you feel poses a threat: Zathras. He will die tonight - you’ll make sure of that.

As you near his home, however, you become aware that you are being watched; a creeping feeling, the sound of a footstep. Raising your blaster you turn, only to see someone running away towards the house. You fire off a shot, but it’s only a graze to the shoulder. Your victim screams in pain and staggers around a corner. You fire again, but it misses and explodes against a nearby tree.

This could be troublesome.

You run off towards the house. Rounding the corner you see no sign of the figure. Slowing, in case he’s armed, you carefully creep around the side of the house.

Voices from the back. He’s alerted Zathras!

Rushing again you come around the corner. KaminaSquirtle looks at you, terrified, before you silence him with a blast to the chest.

Moving on to the back door, you blast the lock of the house and move in. You hear a door slam, and rush towards the front of the house.

It’s too late, though. Zathras has made a break for it. You spend a few hours searching for him, but eventually you have to give up.

This could be very, very bad.


Zathras

You awaken to a scream in the night. Groggily you turn on a light and look outside. You see a flash of light and see flames erupt on a tree.

Alien attack?!

You quickly duck down. What do you do? Is it after you? Do you run? Which door?

You hear a pounding on the window.

You lift up a hand and carefully push up the window just a little bit

“Who is that? What do you want?” It’s hard to keep the fear from your voice.

“Kamina.” you hear a voice gasp. “It’s Toaster! He’s after you.”

“Oh, hell! Run! I’m getting out of here too!” You shut the window. Thinking quickly you grab a long black coat from the closet and move through the house.

You stay low, and avoid windows as much as you can.

As you get near the front door you hear a strange cracking sound from the back. Terrified, you rush out the front door and into the night.

Moving quickly through the brush you head off to an old shack you know of in the woods. It’s been abandoned for years, and you spent a lot of time there as a kid. You should be safe there, until morning.

Dopp Chat:   http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/LWnnZdYMz5ZGR
Dead Chat:   http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/NFjfExgbPCSE

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: JanusTwoface on December 10, 2010, 07:56:09 pm

Oh good. Needlessly paranoid. :)

The Dopp Chat is rather amusing reading.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 08:08:41 pm

Quote from: Argem

You guys better not all get lynched/killed and leave me the last one alive
D:<

That would be a crazy ridiculous situation for me.

Heh.

So, Toaster: Considering all I was doing was uselessly tunnelling townies, why did you try to kill me?  :P

EDIT:

Quote from: webadict

Hm... I'm actually more scared of Toaster. I think he's the Exterminator.

Heh.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 10, 2010, 08:11:51 pm

Edited to hide stupidity :P

Really nice game people !

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 08:16:07 pm

That was an awesome game.  Exterminator is an absolute blast to play.  It looked bad for me starting D4, but I thought I had a chance until I ran afoul of Kamina.  There were two things that could end me- getting guarded against by Kamina and Zath blocking me and living to morning.  I had to kill Kamina or Zath that night.  I figured Zath was going to block me (even though I claimed my action to him), so I went after him.  Whoops.

If you're curious, I picked Intel.  When I got the role list, I knew there were several people who I wanted to know who were (Tough Dopp, Veng/Obs guard, Agent and operative), so I picked a pair of scanners.  I had... very mixed results with them.  I got Pandar N1 (He tends to live a long time), but Zath had him caught.  N2 I hit Person right as the dopps were killing him.

As far as the kills, I picked Cript as to go after a low-interest target.   Leaf, I picked you because I thought you were a dopp, and I wanted to even the score a little bit.  I knew you weren't town after that because you didn't claim the attack, so I figured survivor.  Web went because 1) he's Web 2) he suspected me 3) I thought he might be dopp, and I wanted to make 1 dopp left going into the endgame.  I didn't mean to help wreck the whole dopp team there, heh.

Awesome game.  Has an exty ever outlived the dopp team before?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 08:21:29 pm

Ah... intel.  I'm not sure how many Exty's pick that.  I guess you can sortof cross roles off the list as you take them out :P.

And yeah, it was a pretty good game.

I was kindof expecting you to drop me a line at some point, but I guess since you had no operative I could just out you as Exterminator and have you lynched before you could vengekill me.  One of the bigger differences the change in the assassin bot makes (previously you could hold one to a survivor to make them do exactly what you say).

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 08:33:49 pm

If I did have a bot, all I would have needed is to survive one more day.  At 4p, I call for a no-lynch, then kill+bot -> endgame into a win.  It's still a LYLO breaker, but not as good as one.

Also, for future towns- Exty can choose between a mind shield and an anti-tech field, and gets the Intel list first if that's chosen.  I was more worried about the telepath and warden than potential bot attacks, so I went with the mind shield.  Pity for you that the whole telepath thing didn't work out.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 08:38:04 pm

Woohoo! We win! High five!

Glad there was no Operative, it could have gotten complicated.

Also, this is my first town win ever! Tastes much sweeter than a scum win. Cheers!

Great job and congratulations to Meph and Jokerman for a very enjoyable game. These things are excruciatingly complicated, but endless fun.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Leafsnail on December 10, 2010, 08:44:05 pm

It suddenly occured to me that I've never won a Paranormal as town.

On the other hand, the two past wins I've had with the doppelgangers were awesome.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 08:54:11 pm

Quote from: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 08:38:04 pm

Woohoo! We win! High five!
Also, this is my first town win ever! Tastes much sweeter than a scum win. Cheers!

Also, just for bragging rights, I'd like to add:

• I hit scum twice with my blocks, preventing two dopp kills.
• I knew webadict was scum, why didn't you guys believe me?
• With the exception of Dariush, every person I voted this game was scum!

Am I good or what? Who's your daddy?  *dances victory dance*


Other thoughts: Webadict was right that Person did target him, and got the misleading "human" result; too bad he didn't live long enough to claim it, it would have helped the dopps greatly. Town was fortunate that wuba and Toaster hated each other's guts. Thank you Kamina and MBP for the protections... once I claimed I never thought I would live to the end of the game; I'm very glad I did. Also, thanks Kamina, Jim, Pandar and Jokerman for giving the newbie warden endless shit about that lack of chains thing on D2... that was painful, but lots of fun; and thank the sixteen person sign-up and lurkers for inspiring the lurkertracker... that was also a lot of fun.

Now run another one, Meph.  Christmas Paranormal! With elves for dopps and The Grinch as the exterminator... 8-)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 09:08:43 pm

Awesome game.

This was quite unnecessarily difficult of a game for me to play as my first mafia game ever, let alone being scum, let alone replacing in in media res.

Hope to play many more! And indeed, I am...

Yeah Zath, you sure pegged me good, you big jerk :P

You all can read my descent to madness and insanity in the dopp chat 8y

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mr.Person on December 10, 2010, 09:28:18 pm

I kind of figured nobody would get my rampant breadcrumbing that I got Zathras as town. Course I didn't realize I was sending mixed signals about Webadict, though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Zathras on December 10, 2010, 09:31:47 pm

Quote from: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 09:08:43 pm

Awesome game.
This was quite unnecessarily difficult of a game for me to play as my first mafia game ever, let alone being scum, let alone replacing in in media res.

...let alone being the last one left alive, let alone having to follow webadict and Pandarsenic's act! Not easy at all, but you did quite well.

One more point of interest about this game: after the rather self-inflicted ShadowDump lynch on day one, there were no mislynches! That is awesome, town! Pandar D2, Ottofar D3, Arg D4, Toaster D5, each one a win. Talk about having your eyes on the ball... never seen anything like it.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 10, 2010, 09:34:29 pm

Actually, i believe the bot were more deadly than mafia (or at least par)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mr.Person on December 10, 2010, 09:46:34 pm

That wound up having a lot to do with how not-deadly the scum turned out to be, though.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 09:53:23 pm

Quote from: Argembarger

Plus Jim kind of scares me as a player. So there's that.

This pleases me immensely.

Remember,

I always know.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 10:24:30 pm

Ohgodwhat, your avatar's eyes, they pierce through my mask of lies, revealing my core essence, my true self! When they gaze disapprovingly at my poorly-concealed acts of scummitude, my mind shuts down. I begin sweating bullets, and I catch my fingers subconsciously typing out

"Yes, you are correct, I am scum :("

before I realize what I am doing and stop myself :-X

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 10:47:37 pm

Yes, yes. Continue, please. I do enjoy reading such praise of my skill.

webadict & Co: What made you think I was the Exterminator? Process of elimination?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Argembarger on December 10, 2010, 10:49:00 pm

Actually, on a slightly more serious note, your avatar is a big factor I think.

You wouldn't be nearly as intimidating without it :P

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mr.Person on December 10, 2010, 11:07:13 pm

Somehow I doubt that turning my avatar to X would help me defeat Sigma.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 11:08:24 pm

I would just come back to life.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Jokerman-EXE on December 10, 2010, 11:14:48 pm

It was a pleasure, everyone.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mr.Person on December 10, 2010, 11:15:36 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 11:08:24 pm

I would just come back to life.

What if I outmaverick'd you and changed to Sarah Palin?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 11:21:41 pm

Sigma was the original Maverick and as we all know things that are original are immensely superior to any knock-off or pretender.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mysteriousbluepuppet on December 10, 2010, 11:26:07 pm

Quote from: Mr.Person on December 10, 2010, 11:15:36 pm

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 11:08:24 pm

I would just come back to life.

What if I outmaverick'd you and changed to Sarah Palin?

Let's not be hasty. Nobody really wants that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 11:33:55 pm

I can't say I completely evaded the town's baleful eye, but I did manage to not accrue serious suspicion, at least.


Intel wasn't as much help as I thought it'd be- it mostly let me know what role threats there were, and whose claims I could believe.  (As it turned out, all of them.  I'm the only person whose role claim was BS.)

Zath, I was really hoping for the dopps to kill you off for me.  I'm rather surprised they didn't, but I guess they figured you were getting guard coverage.

Leaf, it seems to me like the Survivor usually dies too.  If I hadn't hit Dopp (and the block combo hadn't nailed them) I was figuring I could get you lynched as a danger to the town.   If it makes you feel better, I was planning to credit you with the Exty role.   :)

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Zathras on December 11, 2010, 01:49:16 am

Quote from: Toaster on December 10, 2010, 11:33:55 pm

Intel wasn't as much help as I thought it'd be- it mostly let me know what role threats there were, and whose claims I could believe.  (As it turned out, all of them.  I'm the only person whose role claim was BS.)

I only now realise that intel let you do a relatively safe fakeclaim as detective... too bad that you went for "they all told the truth", which seemed too convenient to be not scummy. Still, yes, I would have thought intel would be more useful.

Quote from: Toaster

Zath, I was really hoping for the dopps to kill you off for me.  I'm rather surprised they didn't, but I guess they figured you were getting guard coverage.

They tried on N3, but I blocked Arg, who was tasked with the kill (reading the dopp chat, I find it amusing that wuba decided not to kill because he was sure I would block him, we double-bluff'd each other all the way), and I was amply protected N3. They should have done it N2, after the Pandar lynch, when I was still under suspicion of being an alien and wasn't protected; though their choice of Mr.Person did make sense at the time, if they had hit me instead I would have died and Mr.P would have his "human" result on wuba... This, plus your auspicious offing of webadict, were the two things that sealed the dopps fate. Good riddance, scum!   8-P

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mr.Person on December 11, 2010, 04:14:29 am

Jim, I know I said this in the dead chat, but seriously, you not claiming Kook day 1 is, to me, a lynchable offense. I propose for the next game that everyone with a Mind Shield, Tech Shield, or Kook-iness claims on Day 1 or faces the gallows. There's no reason to hide it since those things have no impact on if you're a power role or not. Admittedly I lean a little heavily on policy lynches for relatively minor shit, but still, don't do that next game. I'll  bitch about this in the next game, too, just to make sure nobody forgets.

I'm more than willing to say that me policy lynching there would be a huge mistake, but then again, I made like a million of them this game. Good job to town and Aliens this game. There were a lot of good action plays Night 3 and even better deductions from those actions.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Jim Groovester on December 11, 2010, 04:30:09 am

I didn't want to get shit the whole game because of the role I got, and I didn't want to give the scum an easy excuse to suspect somebody. It would have inevitably resulted in my lynch at some point in the game, and since I was town that doesn't help anybody.

What would have it accomplished for me to claim Kook? You would've known who not to inspect, but why don't I just play a good town game and avoid that problem altogether?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Zathras on December 11, 2010, 04:32:28 am

Quote from: Person

I propose for the next game that everyone with a Mind Shield, Tech Shield, or Kook-iness claims on Day 1 or faces the gallows.

While I don't really disagree, I can see why people wouldn't. In a sixteen people game, if only one claims Kook, unless he's played a stellar town game or there's an obviously scummier target, he's going to die that day, just in case he's protecting himself as a dopp against an inspection. Sure, if more than one does, it's not as dangerous, but that's prisoners' dilemma all over your face, plus there may be only one (as in this game), and the scum may wish to complicate matters.

Mind shield and anti-tech, even more complicated, since the first makes you a possible Ext, and the second warns all tech-users to go for someone else, so you may be lying to prevent you being policy-botted like Org...

So yes, I agree with the sentiment, but I don't think it's practical. Sadly.

PPE: Ninja'd by Kooky Jim.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Dariush on December 11, 2010, 05:16:04 am

Hooray, my first mafia game is a win!  :)
Too bad I made such a mess out of it  :( Having to claim due to mass suspicion on my first day, which still left me likely to hang... Has anybody ever played worse?!  :'(

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mr.Person on December 11, 2010, 05:19:23 am

As far as I'm concerned, you still should of claimed it. I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm going to give non-claimers a fuck of a lot more shit than the people who do claim such things. And seriously, if the town can't get over "Kook=scum!", then they're gonna lose anyways.

Zathras, you do realize that Exties can choose to start with either a Mind Shield or Anti-Tech Shield, right?

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Zathras on December 11, 2010, 05:43:57 am

Quote from: Dariush on December 11, 2010, 05:16:04 am

Hooray, my first mafia game is a win!  :)
Too bad I made such a mess out of it  :( Having to claim due to mass suspicion on my first day, which still left me likely to hang... Has anybody ever played worse?!  :'(

You did OK. Not great, but OK. Far from "none worse", so no worries. Also, you should feel honoured, some of us have waited ages for a Paranormal town win, and you got one on your first shot... damn punk whippersnappers.... now get off my lawn!  8-P

You did good, man, don't sweat it; it was a tough position to be in, second replacement in for an inherently scummy role. You didn't make it much better, but managed to not make it worse, survived, and won, so feel proud of the victory, and keep playing. If anything, take home this lesson: be active! Inactivity kills games, and ruins them for the ones left!

Edited-to-add: you did make it better! If you hadn't claimed, we would have (of?) mislynched you instead of lynching Ottofar the scum, so your claim was both good strategy and successfully played, so KUDOS!

Quote from: Mr.Person on December 11, 2010, 05:19:23 am

As far as I'm concerned, you still should of claimed it.

Should have. He should'VE claimed it, you mean. I know others have given you shit for that before, but the game's over and it's just us chickens now, so who cares. This game is about reading and writing, and you are good at it, but every time you say "of" instead of "have", or at least "'ve" (should've is perfectly fine), it makes my soul bleed a little; just like misusing loose, their, or its. Please, try to conjugate the few verbs that English mandates be conjugated. You should HAVE known better. But enough about that, I'll shut up now... unless you insist.

Quote from: Person

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm going to give non-claimers a fuck of a lot more shit than the people who do claim such things. And seriously, if the town can't get over "Kook=scum!", then they're gonna lose anyways.

Do what you feel you must, and I insist that I agree with the sentiment, but I can't in good conscience condemn those who choose caution instead. We both may point to this conversation in the future so both pros and cons are laid out.

Quote from: Person

Zathras, you do realize that Exties can choose to start with either a Mind Shield or Anti-Tech Shield, right?

No, I don't. Exterminators are (as of now) guaranteed a Mind shield. They can choose to upgrade to an advanced one or get an anti-tech field (advanced or otherwise) as part of their tech choices (though small tech items require them to have an Op or a replicator). At least as far as I understand the rules:

Quote from: rules

Exterminator
    Race: Alien
    Goal: Kill
    Rules: The doppelganger infestation is a danger to the Alien's people, and it and all traces of it must be wiped from the Earth. The Alien kills one person a night. The Alien wins when they and thier Operative (if there is one) are the only ones left alive. The Exterminator always has a Mind Shield.
    Tech: 1 Medium and 1 Large Tech Slot
    Victory: All non-Exterminator aligned players are dead

...but I may be wrong, and I express confusion over this very point on the Paranormal Rules thread, so we can take that conversation there instead. Still, as far as I can tell, anyone who claims a Mindshield is just as likely to be Ext as anyone who claims Kook may be a dopp. It's WIFOM, all the way down. Yes, they should claim, but yes, they should be lynched for it, therefore, if they're town they shouldn't claim... but they should. Too bad it's not practical.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Leafsnail on December 11, 2010, 07:59:59 am

Well, if an Exty has an AMS, he can safely claim not to have one.  So lynching people with mindshields is a pretty stupid idea.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Ottofar on December 11, 2010, 09:29:43 am

Yeah, good game.

 I could've been bit more out of the spotlight, if I hadn't had that electricity thingie, I think.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Toaster on December 11, 2010, 12:02:48 pm

Zath  (and Meph):  The rules need to be updated, actually.  It's in the Paranormal rules discussion thread (and my role PM) that Exty can now choose mind shield or anti-tech.  I could have pointed that out for a bit of WIFOM, but I didn't want to risk drawing attention to me via it.

Arg never claimed his anti-tech field, either, and I don't recall Dariush claiming his.  I did know that if my scanner failed on someone, I would off them the next night- both of their roles were on my "To Kill" list.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Dariush on December 11, 2010, 12:31:07 pm

I had Anti-Tech? ???

*looks over logs*

Oh hey, I had Anti-tech field and didn't even know about it :o

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Mephansteras on December 11, 2010, 02:52:40 pm

Quote from: Toaster on December 11, 2010, 12:02:48 pm

Zath  (and Meph):  The rules need to be updated, actually.  It's in the Paranormal rules discussion thread (and my role PM) that Exty can now choose mind shield or anti-tech.  I could have pointed that out for a bit of WIFOM, but I didn't want to risk drawing attention to me via it.

Arg never claimed his anti-tech field, either, and I don't recall Dariush claiming his.  I did know that if my scanner failed on someone, I would off them the next night- both of their roles were on my "To Kill" list.

Yeah, I need to update that.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: KaminaSquirtle on December 11, 2010, 07:03:58 pm

Yay!  Good game all!  Glad to be of service to the town!

I probably learned more playing this game than any other I've played in.

Quote from: Jim Groovester on December 10, 2010, 09:53:23 pm

Quote from: Argembarger

Plus Jim kind of scares me as a player. So there's that.

This pleases me immensely.

Remember,

I always know.

You scared me sometimes and I was town.

Sorry for sucking so bad, especially at first!  I'm lucky I didn't get lynched.  At least I learned a lot from it, and (hopefully) won't make those mistakes again!

I actually kinda feel bad for the dopps, with all the night kills and blocks they took.  You guys did good, especially under the circumstances.

Title: Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 17 - Game Over!
Post by: Toaster on December 12, 2010, 12:06:37 am

Zath and I really wrecked the dopp team.

Think of it this way, Kamina- you good choice of guard gave the town a victory.  Otto's flip pretty much confirmed you as non-dopp, at least.