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Title: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Virtz on April 20, 2010, 04:19:50 pm
While I gave mention of this in the neat games thread (with Choice of the Dragon (http://www.choiceofgames.com/dragon/)), I thought it deserved its own topic now that a second game of this type appeared as well as the ability to make your own.

Basically, Choice of Games created a pretty neat browser stat-based "Choose your own Adventure" text game engine and have thus far produced two games utilizing it- Choice of the Dragon, where you play through the life of a dragon in a high fantasy world, and the recent Choice of Broadside (http://www.choiceofgames.com/broadsides/), where you play through the career of an "Albion" Royal Navy officer. Apparently they even take suggestions from players concerning choices that could've been there but aren't and may add some in.

What's more, the authors of the engine have made the source available as well as the ability to create your own games (http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/choicescript-intro/) using their intuitive-looking scripting language. They even offer to host finished stories on the site and give 75% of the revenue (ad revenue, I presume) the game produces.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on April 20, 2010, 04:46:48 pm
Nice! I'm enjoying Broadside quite a bit although I don't quite have any ideas for my own :P
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Soulwynd on April 20, 2010, 05:05:11 pm
Mmmmmm.... Princesses....
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Dervin on April 20, 2010, 05:05:32 pm
Choice of the Dragon was pretty fun.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: warhammer651 on April 20, 2010, 05:53:20 pm
I must say, I enjoyed Choice of Broadsides immensly.

Someone MUST do a DF themed one
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on April 20, 2010, 06:04:51 pm
wow the the scripting really does look doable..I think I may try to write up an experimental project with it.
http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/choicescript-intro/
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Dervin on April 20, 2010, 06:31:26 pm
I just beat Broadside, it was pretty awesome.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pathos on April 20, 2010, 06:33:20 pm
God damn, I need to make one.

I just need to find the campaign book which I'm going to base it off.

Dwarves vs elves. >.<
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Akura on April 20, 2010, 06:33:41 pm
Is it possible to secure a mate in Dragon? It seems everything I try I just end up back to my lair, alone, forced to simply fap every night.

Well, there's always the princesses. ;D
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 20, 2010, 06:39:15 pm
Oh, hey, a second game from these guys.

CotD mates: You're going to have to impress them in a field you and your prospective mate are both skilled at. Or for one of them, just be ridiculously famous.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on April 20, 2010, 06:59:38 pm
Hot damn these are fun as hell.

I wussed out on my first Broadsides due to fouling up with my first ship's crew hard.  My redo ended up with me fouling up my courting, and only sorta-improving the condition of my crew (who still hated me infinitely).

Still ended up a gentlemanly hero of Albion, though.

(EDIT:  Also, I disarmed Villaneuve or whatever his name was.  Combat focus, oh yeah.)
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Akura on April 20, 2010, 07:16:41 pm
My first run-through ended with me being rear admiral, husband to a loving wife(Beatrice), best friends with the Gaulish captain, and being generally loved throughout the land.


By the way, I don't know how many people know this, but there's an old RPG called Albion, which has an interesting story, though it's pretty hard.
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 20, 2010, 07:58:17 pm
Second run I pulled off Admiral, Hero of the Navy, Knight, etc., though not a particularly large amount of cash.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Dervin on April 20, 2010, 08:01:35 pm
My first run I was Admiral, Knight, Hero of the Navy, all that good stuff. Was married to the Red headed lady, since the other ones wouldn't dance with me. I lived in a estate when I wasn't serving and I ended up kill the Gaulish captain in a duel, at the end.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Maldevious on April 20, 2010, 08:49:16 pm
Broadsides was much fun. Ended up as an Admiral, Knight, but with not much other success.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 20, 2010, 11:25:31 pm
Does anyone else experience firefox freezes when playing the Choice games? (well, maybe only the dragon game, as I haven't tried broadside...)


By the way, I don't know how many people know this, but there's an old RPG called Albion, which has an interesting story, though it's pretty hard.
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Spoiler: huh? (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 20, 2010, 11:59:45 pm
Yeah, I had similar freezes on the Dragon.

I liked broadside more, though I like naval stories in general. I ended up being very successful. On the other hand, I was able to impress the blonde socialite, but her father told me to get lost, and then I never got a chance to try to win her again when I became a knight/admiral. This was a bit disappointing.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Soulwynd on April 21, 2010, 12:00:39 am
By the way, I don't know how many people know this, but there's an old RPG called Albion, which has an interesting story, though it's pretty hard.
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: fenrif on April 21, 2010, 12:26:02 am
Both of these are awesome!

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Think i prefer the dragon one, though that may be due to getting to play as a complete bastard :P
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on April 21, 2010, 12:42:40 am
Dragon did freeze on me a couple times.

I liked Broadside more.  Dragon doesn't let me be a goody-goody.  :(
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 21, 2010, 01:05:40 am
Dragon one needs more princesses!  Mmmm Princesses.... ;D
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Maldevious on April 21, 2010, 07:35:54 am
Yeah, Dragon froze on me a few times as well using Firefox, although when I went back to the site it seemed to remember where I was in the story.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on April 21, 2010, 11:48:59 am
So what I'm thinking needs to be made in that: a village building adventure, from the ground up. Recruiting the right tradesmen, a suitable site, etc modifies the stats, and you'd work through each town building and defense and all that. Something almost like King of Dragon Pass
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Bluerobin on April 21, 2010, 12:57:37 pm
That sounds... pretty awesome.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Akura on April 21, 2010, 04:14:59 pm
By the way, I don't know how many people know this, but there's an old RPG called Albion, which has an interesting story, though it's pretty hard.
Spoiler: Partly since... (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: huh? (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Yup! (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Sowelu on April 21, 2010, 04:32:11 pm
I played Choice of the Dragon a while back and it was fun.  :D
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Draco18s on April 21, 2010, 04:58:09 pm
While I gave mention of this in the neat games thread (with Choice of the Dragon (http://www.choiceofgames.com/dragon/)), I thought it deserved its own topic now that a second game of this type appeared as well as the ability to make your own.

Curse you!  I just spent the last two hours playing that rather than working.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 21, 2010, 05:16:48 pm
By the way, in Choice of Broadsides, how the hell do you...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I've never pulled it off.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: fenrif on April 21, 2010, 05:23:40 pm
By the way, in Choice of Broadsides, how the hell do you...

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I've never pulled it off.

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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 21, 2010, 05:33:26 pm
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Maldevious on April 21, 2010, 05:37:46 pm
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 21, 2010, 05:38:41 pm
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Virtz on April 21, 2010, 05:43:37 pm
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 21, 2010, 06:04:10 pm
The first time I had a mutiny but on another time I promoted the loyal stupid guy after imprisoning the murder suspects and everything was fine.  I also cleaned the ship and interrogated then flogged Jones.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 21, 2010, 06:18:27 pm
Also, try playing as a woman, it's... surreal...
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 21, 2010, 06:26:26 pm
I made my first command into a beamingly happy, ultra-disciplined crew on my first try. I really don't see how you guys managed to get mutineed. In fact, I didn't get a whiff of mutiny the whole time.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 21, 2010, 06:27:42 pm
Explanation of how you did it or it didn't happen >:[
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 21, 2010, 06:29:21 pm
Seriously.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 21, 2010, 06:31:34 pm
I don't fully remember. I gave the guy who was sleeping on watch twenty lashes (keeping in mind that the usual punishment is DEATH). I promoted Jones (if he mutineed against you, you probably pissed him off earlier). My first order of business was forcing the crew to clean the entire ship. I joked with the crew at one point. I never caught the murderers, though I meant to keep investigating and must have clicked the wrong button or something.

I ended up with at least somewhat high morale with very high discipline (unsure of the exact figure, because it never showed it to me at the end).

EDIT: I'm going to play around with the editor. I'll start with something to do with a spaceship. Maybe we should collaborate and make a Choice of Dwarf Fortress or something similar?

Though, it would look like this:

You have embarked next to a magma pipe. Do you:

- Dig into the Earth
- Cut down some trees
- Fight the fire imps

All three choices lead to "Urist McBantam's cat has just died. He murders the other six dwarves, and then jumps in the magma pit".
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Maldevious on April 21, 2010, 08:40:20 pm
I'm trying to remember some specifics.  I also gave the guy 20 lashes after giving him a second chance. I picked the incompetent guy to be lieutenant but he was very loyal to me. I also forced the crew to clean first, I joked with the crew unsuccessfully, and I also didn't catch the murderers. I think I had very high discipline and okay happiness. And I promoted Jones, like I said.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 21, 2010, 09:08:29 pm
Playing with the editor is a lot of fun. I made a prelude for my spaceship adventure.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 21, 2010, 11:38:39 pm
No mutiny for me.  I had around 88 leadership and 60ish likeability

Choices

Early on, sided with Jones against Pigot.

Once in command of my own.
Cleaned the ship, sailing.
Slacker got double watch and no rum, 20 lashes.
Joked with the crew(Decreased discipline slightly, but did increase happiness)
Pulled aside a whisperer and questioned him, he refused to disclose anything.  Whipped the others whisperers.(Perhaps they thought the other guy ratted them out?)
Investigated the murder and threatened a hanging, but never did.(Perhaps this scared them to shape up?)
Appointed the intelligent(but lazy) guy as first officer.


End Results
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 21, 2010, 11:53:33 pm
I stabbed him straight through. Even though we were good buddies. Should learn to fight for the right side, imo.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Cecilff2 on April 22, 2010, 12:01:39 am
My reasoning was, it'd be easier to get the rest of his crew to surrender if he commanded them to.  Death of a commanding officer might inspire the first officer to press the attack harder.  Plus, dude had my back during the attempted robbery.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 22, 2010, 12:42:18 am
In my latest game I made the Gaulish captain my lesbian lover.  But even though she lived she was never mentioned in the ending.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 22, 2010, 12:46:44 am
In my latest game I made the Gaulish captain my lesbian lover.  But even though she lived she was never mentioned in the ending.
Haha.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 22, 2010, 03:09:48 am
Maybe if I convinced her to stay or went with her we could have been together.  But I don't think it would have worked.  We were destined to be enemies and meet on the field of battle only to have me totally kick her ass, and let her live, but somehow still end up not getting the girl in the end.  :'(
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 22, 2010, 03:12:12 am
I married the brown-haired girl, became a knight and killed the Gaulish d00d. WITH GENTLEMANLY POWAZ
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 22, 2010, 04:12:35 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

SCIENCE has occurred.
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 22, 2010, 04:20:06 am
I married the brown haired lady, killed whatshisface and generally didn't do so well with the crew in terms of happiness.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Emperor_Jonathan on April 22, 2010, 04:52:46 am
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However the dragon one freezes part-way through.

Oh and skipped the commander rank in the naval game.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: de5me7 on April 22, 2010, 06:05:47 am
i went out of my way to be as blood thirsty and pompous as possible. So i let the two guys at the start die, and used flogging and hanging as my main routes of communication.

ended up rear admiral minus 1 hand (the Gaul cut my hand off before i slew him, probably because my combat skill was 27).
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 22, 2010, 06:07:21 am
I wish that you could run away with the Gaul babe. Too bad it isn't mentioned in the thingy.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 22, 2010, 06:26:49 am
You know, this makes me think.  It'd be cool if there was actually a pirate game with a relatively plausible female lead character.  This game just switches all the sex specific nouns depending on what sex you play and changes some character first names.  I'm just about picturing men in corsets with women in oversized naval uniforms clearly designed to fit someone bigger than them.  It's... weird...  Like one day all the men woke up as women and the women woke up as men... and didn't notice.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 22, 2010, 06:29:38 am
Hey, is anyone interested in making one of these? It would be a nice writing exercise
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: rubberduck on April 22, 2010, 06:41:10 am
I'm thinking about making a Choice of the Goblin. Though it'd be a D&D goblin rather than a DF one. Though... Choice of the Kobold, DF-style, might be an interesting exercise.

I'll have to think about that.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 22, 2010, 06:46:22 am
choice of the kobold would be awesome.

I would like to do a sci-fi one, sorta like Dead Space but not as scary or alien-y.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 22, 2010, 06:52:50 am
Ioric, I go the same impression.

And do want Choice of Kobold.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Akura on April 22, 2010, 07:24:42 am
SCIENCE has occurred.
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Really? I didn't, and did.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 22, 2010, 07:29:32 am
Huh. Really? I tried everything I could, and even a prescient, perfect performance always got me
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Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Neonivek on April 22, 2010, 08:07:24 am
If I could do scripting I would give it a shot

But unfortunately I don't have the knack for it and probably never will.

RPGMaker is complicated enough with its variables.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Bluerobin on April 22, 2010, 08:31:16 am
I'd be up for scripting it if someone else had a story they wanted to write. It looks totally manageable to code, I just don't have the time to put into actually making a good story, so if someone else was covering that part, I'd be set.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Neonivek on April 22, 2010, 08:56:51 am
I guess I can come up with something even if it won't be too interesting.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 22, 2010, 11:34:19 am
The scripting of this is ridiculously easy. I have no experience in any form of scripting, programming, or computer science, and I've already created a full introductory scene where you create your character and whatnot.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Apple Master on April 22, 2010, 11:37:06 am
I wanna make one cause I'm super awesome at words.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 22, 2010, 11:38:45 am
Be absolutely sure you guys do this in notepad. I tried to do it in word at first and it broke the formatting and opened all sorts of error messages.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on April 22, 2010, 03:11:31 pm
Choice of the Kobold, huh?


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What kind of kobold are you?
*choice
 #Lizardbold
 #Dogbold
 #Sortabothbold
 #Cutebold
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Draco18s on April 22, 2010, 03:24:17 pm
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What kind of kobold are you?
*choice
 #Lizardbold
 #Dogbold
 #Sortabothbold
 #Cutebold

CobaltKobold?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 22, 2010, 03:58:13 pm
I made my first command into a beamingly happy, ultra-disciplined crew on my first try. I really don't see how you guys managed to get mutineed. In fact, I didn't get a whiff of mutiny the whole time.
Yeah, it's possible. On my first try I promoted Jones (that ingrate!), who promised I will not live to see the light of day (or whatever) and they still didn't mutiny. One other thing I did, was make the lazy bums clean my ship (now, you probably think that option was pointless, but being half-ruskie (IRL I mean) I immediately though it'll be a fun team building exercise (Russian army is notorious for forcing the fresh meat to whitewash birches and "paint the grass green")), which it surprisingly was (+happiness and +discipline, no skill-gain though). I gave the rum guy 10 lashes.

edit: I aslo kant sepll ;)
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 22, 2010, 04:03:42 pm
So has no one yet made any other games?  I can't seem to find any others anywhere.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Virtz on April 22, 2010, 04:41:55 pm
So has no one yet made any other games?  I can't seem to find any others anywhere.
According to this (http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/2010/03/choice-of-broadsides-coming-soon/), someone submitted a game, they just haven't gotten around to finishing the hosted games section of the site yet apparently.

Also, a quick google search for "choicecript game" returned this (http://playdeez.com/choicescript/hammurabi/index.html) - a remake of an 80s game called Hammurabi.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 22, 2010, 05:07:08 pm
Hm, so it's mid april... still no other games page... :-\  Wonder if that game could be found somewhere else.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 22, 2010, 08:01:05 pm
BTW, in Broadsides, is there a way to end with the french officer (if you've had a, shall we say, "special friendship")?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 22, 2010, 08:17:50 pm
I've tried, but I haven't found one.  Of course I've never tried running away from the final battle.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 22, 2010, 08:20:20 pm
Of course I've never tried running away from the final battle.
tried it already- got court martialed (they absolved me, but I became a disgrace) for nothing.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Dervin on April 22, 2010, 08:21:33 pm
I don't think there is.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 22, 2010, 08:57:05 pm
I don't think there is.
Authors say there is (http://www.choiceofgames.com/blog/2010/04/play-choice-of-broadsides-now/#comment-334)
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There is a happy ending possible with the Gaulish character (actually a couple, but only one is really a fully happy ending for you and a happy-ish ending for the Gaul). You have to both have the right stats and make the right choice to get it, though.
how are there several good ending and we can't find them?! argh!
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 22, 2010, 08:57:48 pm
GGGAAAAAHHHH I WANT TO GET THAT ENDINGGGGASERJASDJSLD
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Dervin on April 22, 2010, 09:07:36 pm
GGGAAAAAHHHH I WANT TO GET THAT ENDINGGGGASERJASDJSLD
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 22, 2010, 11:49:39 pm
GGGAAAAAHHHH I WANT TO GET THAT ENDINGGGGASERJASDJSLD
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Xotes on April 23, 2010, 12:42:40 am
You know what needs to be made?

Choice of the Chrysallid.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 23, 2010, 12:54:09 am
Do you pursue the Civilian, assault the unarmored rookie X-com Soldier, or assault the officer in the flight suit?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pnx on April 23, 2010, 08:42:31 am
Trick question, it's all three in their time (though the flight suit guy will of course go into the air like a wussy that doesn't want to be a zombie).
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Neonivek on April 23, 2010, 10:39:39 am
Each mission it seems to be possible to be promoted twice.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 23, 2010, 11:01:52 am
Each mission it seems to be possible to be promoted twice.
what? how? (or do you mean in X-com? because I thought that wasn't true either?)

(well I guess I know how to get promoted twice in the first mission- you need a cunning plan (and of course for a cunning plan, you need cunning). but in most of the chapters I wasn't even promoted once)
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 23, 2010, 04:58:06 pm
I wonder if their pirate game they're supposed planning on making at some point will do the same thing with sex selection where choosing to be a female makes everyone switch organs without any of the respective switches in personality and everything else.  I mean, there were actually real female pirates in history, some of whom actually survived for a while.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on April 23, 2010, 06:17:15 pm
I wonder if their pirate game they're supposed planning on making at some point will do the same thing with sex selection where choosing to be a female makes everyone switch organs without any of the respective switches in personality and everything else.  I mean, there were actually real female pirates in history, some of whom actually survived for a while.

Hard to say, in Broadsides I found it amusing that it was some basic alternate world, because they'd basically have had to write another game to show how a female is treated differently in old timey navys (or not be there at all as would be realistic) :P
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 23, 2010, 06:27:25 pm
Well it could easily have been done the same way every other fantasy game does it.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 23, 2010, 06:29:21 pm
Except that Choice of Broadsides covered the story in a way true to the time period.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 23, 2010, 06:31:25 pm
Except that Choice of Broadsides covered the story in a way true to the time period.

Unless you play a woman.  Also, what time period?  It doesn't even take place on earth.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Virtz on April 23, 2010, 06:59:53 pm
Except that Choice of Broadsides covered the story in a way true to the time period.

Unless you play a woman.  Also, what time period?  It doesn't even take place on earth.
I'm pretty sure the "Napoleonic Era" was mentioned somewhere in it.

Not to mention "Gaul" and "Albion" are pretty obviously France and Great Britain respectively.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 23, 2010, 07:11:14 pm
If they wanted it to be set in reality they would have names the countries France and Britain.  They specifically didn't so that they could take liberties, like the whole magic sex change thing.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 23, 2010, 11:02:09 pm
...

Do you miss the point on purpose all the time, or what?

Think of it as an alternate timeline.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 23, 2010, 11:27:22 pm
...

Do you miss the point on purpose all the time, or what?

Think of it as an alternate timeline.

Well I've apparently missed your point this time.  Care to explain it or are you just going to ask demeaning rhetorical questions?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 24, 2010, 12:32:57 am
Think of it as an alternate timeline.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 01:29:35 am
How does an alternate time line explain women and men switching roles completely?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 24, 2010, 01:30:10 am
Look, if you're asking that question, you're not thinking hard enough.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 24, 2010, 01:31:25 am
let's just drop this and try to get that happy ending with the Gaul!

So far, I've got nothing. I've tried tons of different chars and such, but to no avail.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 01:33:43 am
Look, if you're asking that question, you're not thinking hard enough.

Uh huh...  That's really productive.

Look.  It's a fantasy game that tries to roughly emulate the real world age of sail in terms of technology and culture.  It's not a game based on the real world age of sail.  It is to the real world age of Sail and Mount and Blade is the the real world Middle Ages, except that choosing to play a female character makes everything backwards.

let's just drop this and try to get that happy ending with the Gaul!

So far, I've got nothing. I've tried tons of different chars and such, but to no avail.

Until someone finds something out about it there's nothing else to say.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 24, 2010, 07:15:49 am
How does an alternate time line explain women and men switching roles completely?
I'll try to answer that.
First I need you to do something for me, forget that you can play as a male character (because, yes, 2 stories that are identical in story and all characters, save for their gender are kinda absurd). Now on to female dominated Age of Sail.

Since ancient times there have been societies on earth where women were warriors and leaders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matriarchy). If one such society were to develop to a technologically advanced state there is no doubt women would  be sailing ships (and men would knit them sweaters at home). There are a number of objections you can raise to this:
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 07:45:36 am
There are many other things that would be different, and aren't.  I mean, there's a simple matter of estrogen versus testosterone.  The world isn't just the way it is today because of some lie perpetuated by men to keep women down.  Sure there are several of those, but that's far from the primary cause of the way things are today, and were in the time that this game is most similar to.  Men are, on average, larger, stronger, and more aggressive than women.  I don't think I need to prove that, though feel free to disagree.  The whole idea is highly implausible and I'm pretty sure wasn't meant to be plausible.  It was just a concession to those who wanted to play as a female without actually having to put any real work into it.

Really, it's an (doubtlessly completely unintentional) insult to feminism if ever there was one.  It diminishes the struggles women have had to endure over the centuries to gain what rights and respect they have.  It's like that stupid "dress guys up in high heels to show your condemnation of sexual abuse" walk we have at my school every year.  It's got no message except maybe, we're willing to make ourselves look stupid and be very uncomfortable to show you we care that people get raped.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 24, 2010, 07:47:35 am
*rolls eyes*
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 07:49:57 am
Way to contribute to the thread. ::)

You could have at least said something like, "I don't like this current discussion but have nothing meaningful to add so I will just offer my condemnation of you."
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 24, 2010, 07:51:24 am
It's just a game, man. They made the woman option for fun, and the funny idea of men staying at home and all that.
::)
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 24, 2010, 07:54:47 am
the funny idea of men staying at home and all that.
to quote yourself, *rolls eyes*
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 24, 2010, 07:57:58 am
the funny idea of men staying at home and all that.
to quote yourself, *rolls eyes*
Well, men didn't stay at home during the Napoleonic Era. they were out doing stuff, killing each other and discovering scientific hoo-ha.

Okay, lets not turn this into a gender war. We're here to discuss a game, not women vs men or anything.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 07:59:24 am
Of course this is all according to history books written by men. ;)

Most often Clergymen at that.  And if there was ever a misogynistic profession at the time it was that of a catholic priest.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 24, 2010, 08:00:11 am
Let's stop, please. I don't want a flame war.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 08:00:39 am
Who's flaming?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Acanthus117 on April 24, 2010, 08:02:11 am
No, I want to stop it before anyone decides to.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pnx on April 24, 2010, 08:08:51 am
But it's so much fun watching you guys set up the kindling. Besides, a good forumn bonfire is a really community uniting event.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 08:16:14 am
Well I mean, we either keep talking or the thread dies.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 24, 2010, 08:36:57 am
To refer to a point dropped ages ago, I think Albion having a city named London makes it pretty clear what's going on with the nations' names.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 08:42:49 am
What do you think that is?  I mean, to me it makes it less clear.  Were they really so uncreative that they couldn't be bothered to name the capital city of their England like fictional kingdom something else?  Or if they really didn't care then why bother naming it Albion in the first place?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on April 24, 2010, 08:56:25 am
It's not exactly subtle that they're doing that so they have free license to, while retaining whatever associations we have with real world places from a real world time (i.e. the British government's love of the lash) while having free license to toy with, add, or remove historical figures and events as necessary for narrative cohesiveness.

A little effort, please.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 24, 2010, 09:07:22 am
actually that offers some insight into the "point of divergence" (as it is called by AHisotry fans). the words "Albion", "Gaul" and "London" (actually "Londonium") are were all around in the Roman times, while the word "France" (and other words of the same root) was not. Curiously enough the word "Briton" ("Britannus") was around (and "Britania" was the official name of the land). So... perhaps in this world ALbion was never conquered by the Romans?
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 09:17:23 am
It's not exactly subtle that they're doing that so they have free license to, while retaining whatever associations we have with real world places from a real world time (i.e. the British government's love of the lash) while having free license to toy with, add, or remove historical figures and events as necessary for narrative cohesiveness.

A little effort, please.

Or you know, they could just not call it Albion and do the exact same thing.  It's not like whether or not they call it England or not has any affect on how historically accurate they have to be.  Look at it this way.  Say someone got a map of Europe and pasted the word Albion over England.  That's all they really did here.  I mean, besides sticking the word "Gaul" on France.  If they were going to bother changing two of the real world place names, it was just lazy to not change the third.  I mean, at least call it Londinium.

actually that offers some insight into the "point of divergence" (as it is called by AHisotry fans). the words "Albion", "Gaul" and "London" (actually "Londonium") are were all around in the Roman times, while the word "France" (and other words of the same root) was not. Curiously enough the word "Briton" ("Britannus") was around (and "Britania" was the official name of the land). So... perhaps in this world ALbion was never conquered by the Romans?

I think you're putting a little too little thought into some parts of that theory and way too much into others.  If it was never conquered by the Romans it wouldn't have ended up exactly like the real world Napoleonic era or whatever minus some names.  Rome was just far too significant for things to have been completely unaffected by it's absence.  Secondly, the much simpler explanation is that they wanted to make things sound fictional without actually changing anything from history besides whatever they simply neglected to include, and they were not feeling creative, so they took England and France and renamed them Albion and Gaul.

Mount and Blade.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: a1s on April 24, 2010, 09:37:39 am
I think you're putting a little too little thought into some parts of that theory and way too much into others.  If it was never conquered by the Romans it wouldn't have ended up exactly like the real world Napoleonic era or whatever minus some names.
That and there would be no London[ium].
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Draco18s on April 24, 2010, 11:34:32 am
To refer to a point dropped ages ago, I think Albion having a city named London makes it pretty clear what's going on with the nations' names.

...

Albion is Great Britian.

Quote from: Wikipedia
Albion (Greek: Ἀλβιών) is the oldest known name of the island of Great Britain. It is thought to derive from the white cliffs of Dover. Today, it is still sometimes used poetically to refer to the island or England in particular.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pathos on April 24, 2010, 01:38:54 pm
actually that offers some insight into the "point of divergence" (as it is called by AHisotry fans). the words "Albion", "Gaul" and "London" (actually "Londonium") are were all around in the Roman times, while the word "France" (and other words of the same root) was not. Curiously enough the word "Briton" ("Britannus") was around (and "Britania" was the official name of the land). So... perhaps in this world ALbion was never conquered by the Romans?

I believe the bolded was due to a tribe called the Bretons, but I may be wrong.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 24, 2010, 01:47:09 pm
Man, Ioric, I have never seen such a monumentally obvious troll. I'm surprised I didn't catch on before. I suggest everybody just glosses over Ioric's posts if we want to salvage this thread for the discussion of future 'Choice of' games.

Has anyone actually gotten particularly far in making anything? I haven't gotten past my startup chapter. Maybe I'll work on it a bit this weekend.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: rubberduck on April 24, 2010, 01:54:39 pm
I'm almost finished with my startup chapter in Choices of the Kobold. If I can just stop adding interesting choices I might finish up tomorrow. That is, finish the startup chapter.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Grakelin on April 24, 2010, 01:58:11 pm
Just be careful you don't go too crazy. I actually held back a little bit because I knew there would be more choices in the middle parts of the story, and I would have to write a path for everything there. I ended up making the startup into a back-story generator, and tossing some values around.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: rubberduck on April 24, 2010, 03:22:52 pm
Well, most of the choices just juggle stats around, so its not that bad.

Of course, I have made an obscure series of choices that will get the kobold kicked out of his tribe. Will be interesting to find a way to mesh that with the rest.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on April 24, 2010, 04:48:14 pm
Man, Ioric, I have never seen such a monumentally obvious troll. I'm surprised I didn't catch on before. I suggest everybody just glosses over Ioric's posts if we want to salvage this thread for the discussion of future 'Choice of' games.

Has anyone actually gotten particularly far in making anything? I haven't gotten past my startup chapter. Maybe I'll work on it a bit this weekend.

Well then I'm sure this will tickle you pink.  I'd normally try to comment back at such an obvious personal attack, but someone decided to complain to Toady about being offended by a joke I made without ever telling me they found it offensive first.  Needless to say he was forced to waste his time sending me a warning, and frankly I don't want to be banned for something as stupid as not agreeing with someone, so good for you, you win.

I'm almost finished with my startup chapter in Choices of the Kobold. If I can just stop adding interesting choices I might finish up tomorrow. That is, finish the startup chapter.

Make sure you post it here instead of just submitting it to the choice of website.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Xotes on April 24, 2010, 05:27:32 pm
Just to clear things up for ya, Ioric.

Alternate Universe: An imaginary  realm, often a variant  form of the real world, depicting a different way events could have unfolded  or the universe could have functioned.

In other words, the guys who write these things can just make stuff up.

Even with a poorly done gender-swap thing where roles are reversed and so on.

Your only solution is to deal with it.

NOW BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND

I'd code one of these things but I don't really feel like it. So, bah.

EDITED WITH A BETTER DEFINITION
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: umiman on April 24, 2010, 06:45:48 pm
I think I should try my hand at writing a short story for this. Seems pretty fun. I played both dragon and broadswides several times, dragon about a few months ago, broadsides today. I thought dragon was more fun though, as most of the time I didn't understand the outcome of my actions in broadsides.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: darkflagrance on April 24, 2010, 08:34:04 pm
To second a previous poster, if any good "Choice of" games get made by the community, I hope they get posted here, because doing so will save the rest of us without time the trouble of searching for them.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on July 15, 2010, 10:28:16 am
Any new stuff on this topic?  I see they've added two player made games but neither seems all that interesting.  The Nightmare one is really short too.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on August 28, 2010, 01:33:06 am
There's a few of new ones up now - two by the site creators and two by fans added in addition to what was already there. Haven't tried any yet, though
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 28, 2010, 02:07:16 am
Heh. Romancing a monarch, and being a vampire.

This should be entertaining. I'll do the Vampire one first.

Edit: This is HUGE. Holyshitmuch.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on August 28, 2010, 02:36:39 am
I am trying the Romance one first  8)

Also, relevant from a blog post they made:
In addition to our games that are nearing completion, we have several more games that are in development but where the development process has been going more slowly for various reasons.  By popular demand, both Choice of the Dragon 2 and Choice of the God are in development, as is Choice of the Wizard.  None of those games are near beta testing, however, let alone release.  For various reasons, those have fallen a little behind.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on August 28, 2010, 03:00:41 am
Oh, awesome.  I hadn't been following them, so the update is appreciated
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 28, 2010, 03:01:55 am
Choice of the God

Oh my want

E: Playing the Romance one as Light Yagami, complete with "Just As Planned," is fucking fantastic.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on August 28, 2010, 06:07:38 am
Oh God I feel like such a dick. 

Spoiler: Romance (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Romance Double Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...This is a good story.  I approve.

Vampire was less interesting, but I was kind of a goody goody.  Maybe I'll try again, and opt to murder harder.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 28, 2010, 06:36:15 am
Each Sire dominus in the Vampire one has a different storyline within which you make your choices, I believe.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on August 28, 2010, 08:56:04 am
Yeah.  Winters and the French guy both got me a New Orleans scenario, but the first one I picked got me a farmhouse sorta dealie.

Anyway, this one was kind of cool.

Spoiler: Just a picture (click to show/hide)

The previous one was better.
Spoiler: Spoily (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on August 28, 2010, 06:31:18 pm
I don't think it's possible to keep Clotho alive. 

[spoiler]If you try to get permission to turn her your maker will have Jesse drain her.  If you talk to Jesse and tell him how you feel about her you can get a hint that it won't be good to tell your maker and try to flee, but she gets ground to mush by a cart on the way to meet you the following evening.  I haven't tried turning her without permission but that probably turns out similarly badly.  They need her to die in order to introduce that whole love beyond death death thingy and also drive home the fact that being an immortal sucks.  Because you know, it wouldn't be fair if it didn't.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 28, 2010, 07:02:18 pm
Doing it in secret she still gets found by them and killed.

I was disappointed by the lack of "Murder elders in their sleep" options.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Ioric Kittencuddler on August 28, 2010, 07:25:03 pm
Wouldn't that require being awake during the day?

Apparently the only mortal you can get close to without them dying horribly is Wilson the servant in vicksburg.  That is to say, once he starts to get old you can ask what's her name to let you turn him, and it all goes off without a hitch.  That's pretty much around the time the game ends.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Servant Corps on August 28, 2010, 07:39:14 pm
Has anyone actually gotten particularly far in making anything? I haven't gotten past my startup chapter. Maybe I'll work on it a bit this weekend.

I'm waiting for my data to be recovered so that I can continue making the Middle Eastern game I posted about before in Creative Projects. Still in the early stages though.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on August 28, 2010, 09:25:23 pm
Dammit.  I want to continue my awesome bloodsucker/courtier adventures.

Also, West has the coolest scenario.  Specifically, the scenario of being not-in-the-city.  My first Vamp character was a goody-goody that sorta ignored that Rule of Reserve, and despite never getting violent I had 4 strength.

My last one was also in that scenario, but instead of being nice I killed, dominated, scared, and/or intimidated everyone I met ever.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on August 28, 2010, 11:37:04 pm
Is there any goddamn way to feed on Andrew Jackson? I've tried to with max strength and/or charm but nothing works. He fucking pulls a stake on me.

Which makes him President Andrew Jackson, Vampire Hunter, and as awesome as that is I WANT HIS BLOOD IN ME.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on August 29, 2010, 12:27:35 am
Playing Romance as I am a ronery sap. And I can't help but remember this scene when I am pursuing Mendosa:

http://www.youtube-nocookie.com/watch?v=Xr9kts27eaw
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Farce on August 29, 2010, 04:20:56 am
My guess is Jackson is just there to teach you a lesson or something, but I've only tried it once.

Maybe something like perception, to notice the stake, or that he's faking or something?


Also, I think that you can infer from this game that Jackson just carried a stake around everywhere in this version of history.  Awesome?  y/Y
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Tilla on August 29, 2010, 05:16:00 am
My guess is Jackson is just there to teach you a lesson or something, but I've only tried it once.

Maybe something like perception, to notice the stake, or that he's faking or something?


Also, I think that you can infer from this game that Jackson just carried a stake around everywhere in this version of history.  Awesome?  y/Y

Everything about Jackson in this game is awesome.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Cecilff2 on September 01, 2010, 09:30:41 am
I think it's due to Jackson beating down an attempted assassin(Who had two pistols) with a cane.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Pandarsenic on September 01, 2010, 10:06:19 am
Yeah, but both pistols misfired. That's from real life.

I REALLY want to figure out a way to feed from him, or at least get an explanation for why he seems to be in the know about vampires.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Cecilff2 on September 01, 2010, 10:29:45 am
Did they misfire?  Or did they just refuse to shoot Jackson.
Title: Re: "Choice of" Games
Post by: Megaman on September 01, 2010, 05:51:25 pm
Andrew Jackson, the 1700's Chuck Norris