Post by: Toady One on March 24, 2011, 07:26:49 am
Here's the second large bug fix release for 0.31.19.
Major bug fixes
(*) Fixed a linux crash from units leaving the map with a kill order on them
(*) Fixed a crash from tileless burrows
edit: (*) Fixed adv mode crash on service conversation option
(*) Made healthcare work for dwarves that need crutches
(*) Made healthcare/hospitals handle plaster/casts properly
(*) Stopped creatures from attacking across several Z levels
(*) Stopped hospitals from stocking everything, ignoring the item caps
(*) Stopped pots from storing almost infinite numbers of items
(*) Stopped inaccessible spam from cleaning jobs with soap
(*) Made fish appear in many situation where they were erroneous missing (old forts will still be off, unfortunately)
(*) Stopped massive lag from certain ghosts
(*) Fixed up bone artifacts
(*) Cleaned up persistent activities and squads that were lingering
(*) Sorted out an issue with combat/training bolts
Other bug fixes/tweaks
(*) Made pots show up in the trade depot list
(*) Better stockpile options for stone, blocks, metal clothing, etc. and fixed some broken existing options
(*) Cleaned up some issues with glass items
(*) Wooden/bone crossbows specifically selectable from uniform screen now
(*) Made migrant hunters recognize their crossbows properly
(*) Changed how skills are applied to job products -- attributes are accounted for properly and skills should work in adv mode now, but you'll notice a different distribution of qualities in the final product, especially for no/low skill when differing attributes are involved
(*) Stopped surgery cancellations over patient not resting in some circumstances
(*) Ungummed up the hauling system from certain stale jobs
(*) Made lavish etc. meals take the proper number of item piles
(*) Made magma forges available more regularly to mood dwarves
(*) Stopped raw processing from including backup files
(*) Fixed some capybara and panda typos and tweaked giraffe and reptile eggs
(*) Cleaned some trouble with grass regrowth and generic "grass" tiles
(*) Made recentering hotkeys work in other dwarf modes (ones with x cursors)
(*) Fixed broken readout for completed jobs in unit health screen
(*) Cleaned up spam from rest jobs from webbed dwarves
(*) Fixed broken key in hospital zone mode
(*) Moved underground camp creatures from civ list and stopped their items from being counted in fortress wealth
(*) Stopped underground theft announcements in hidden areas from being displayed
(*) Fixed various ugly blank "" names in legends mode
(*) Fixed a random number overflow from creatures with no attacks
New stuff
(*) Sponsored animals included: penguin, platypus, badger, moose, along with related buddies
(*) Rodent men underground
(*) Invader mounts/monsters have first names
Post by: Valrandir on March 24, 2011, 07:28:30 am
Post by: Valrandir on March 24, 2011, 07:29:01 am
I will be generous.
Post by: Urist McDepravity on March 24, 2011, 07:31:17 am
Post by: stool on March 24, 2011, 07:33:14 am
I've been waiting a long time for this one, will save up some money to preserve the toad asap.
:) weeeee!!!
edit: my main monitor broke down right after making this post :(.
Post by: BulMaster on March 24, 2011, 07:34:00 am
Post by: Noodz on March 24, 2011, 07:40:29 am
Post by: Toady One on March 24, 2011, 07:41:19 am
Post by: Areyar on March 24, 2011, 07:44:11 am
Post by: Xelanthol on March 24, 2011, 07:44:34 am
Post by: analog on March 24, 2011, 07:48:48 am
Should I risk it all for a quick play-test :-[ It's not like anyone can see my screen.
Okay, I stopped myself from procrastinating even more. Just 2 more hours and I'll finally be able to see all those cripples walk again! It'll be like dwarf-Jesus passed by 8)
Post by: Johuotar on March 24, 2011, 07:59:42 am
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 08:15:16 am
And finally soap will work without spamming constantly! Yay that was the big thing I was waiting on! Though sorta on that vein, and this probably isn't the right thread for questions what is the difference between non-healthcare related cleaning with just water and water+soap? Anybody know?
Post by: Rumrusher on March 24, 2011, 08:26:39 am
Post by: Jacos on March 24, 2011, 08:27:47 am
Post by: Rose on March 24, 2011, 08:29:45 am
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 08:41:17 am
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2011, 08:44:47 am
Here's the second large bug fix release for 0.31.19.PENGUINS! YAY!!!!!
Major bug fixes
(*) Made healthcare work for dwarves that need crutches
(*) Made healthcare/hospitals handle plaster/casts properly
(*) Stopped creatures from attacking across several Z levels
(*) Stopped hospitals from stocking everything, ignoring the item caps
(*) Stopped inaccessible spam from cleaning jobs with soap
(*) Stopped massive lag from certain ghosts
(*) Fixed up bone artifacts
(*) Cleaned up persistent activities and squads that were lingering
(*) Sorted out an issue with combat/training bolts
Other bug fixes/tweaks
(*) Made pots show up in the trade depot list
(*) Better stockpile options for stone, blocks, metal clothing, etc. and fixed some broken existing options
(*) Cleaned up some issues with glass items
(*) Wooden/bone crossbows specifically selectable from uniform screen now
(*) Made migrant hunters recognize their crossbows properly
(*) Ungummed up the hauling system from certain stale jobs
(*) Made magma forges available more regularly to mood dwarves
(*) Fixed broken readout for completed jobs in unit health screen
(*) Moved underground camp creatures from civ list and stopped their items from being counted in fortress wealth
(*) Stopped underground theft announcements in hidden areas from being displayed
New stuff
(*) Sponsored animals included: penguin, platypus, badger, moose, along with related buddies
(*) Rodent men underground
(*) Invader mounts/monsters have first names
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oh, and the fixes too :P
Things I hate:
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ninjas!
Ohhhh... the title screen actually uses up all the space available to it now. I wonder what else does.I'm looking forward to this...
Post by: Dwarfler on March 24, 2011, 08:46:24 am
Nevermind, I'll see myself out.
Post by: Sutremaine on March 24, 2011, 08:46:32 am
Post by: Footkerchief on March 24, 2011, 08:50:19 am
Does adventure mode still crash when you ask about service, and are castles still often filled with animals?
The Adv. Mode service/report crash is fixed. (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4165) I think Toady just forget to add it to the changelog (I already PM'd him about it). The castle bug wasn't marked as fixed (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4179) -- it would be helpful to update that report with your findings regarding 31.22.
Post by: CharlesPeter on March 24, 2011, 08:55:45 am
Post by: freeformschooler on March 24, 2011, 08:57:47 am
Anyway. This release is made out of love. I think it might count as pretty "stable".
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(*) Stopped raw processing from including backup files
Does that mean no raw duping? :D nahh probably not.
Also, PENGUINS OH HECK YES.
Thanks Toady, you and ThreeToe and the others are great!
EDIT: I don't think the changelog made much mention but legends mode was really spiced up quite a bit. It's beginning to look a little more like a well crafted encyclopedia of the world now.
Post by: Dutchling on March 24, 2011, 09:24:14 am
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 09:31:02 am
Although I seem to have come across a new possible bug.
My meeting hall waterfall isn't working anymore. Seems water now refuses to flow down stairs. I tried digging near it to reactivate the flow like you used to have to do with stuff like utilities that add liquids but no dice.
There doesn't appear to be anything like a tree blocking flow (the whole thing is paved by a road to prevent just that) but it isn't flowing down the stairs like it did last version. It's stable 7/7 on top of a down stair.
I don't know if that's an artifact of transferring the save over or something new though. And I would like to work that out before submitting a bug report on it. Can anyone else confirm or deny it?
EDIT: All new down stairs built in the save work, just the one preexisting dosn't appear to. ...Stand back! I'm going to try SCIENCE!
Actually...first I'm going to save so I have a save file in case I need to put in a bug report. Then I'm gunna try to fix it.
Post by: Footkerchief on March 24, 2011, 09:33:58 am
Can I play this with my old save file without missing bug fixes?
You'll get all the fixes except the fish one and the raws tweaks.
Post by: Toady One on March 24, 2011, 09:36:56 am
edit: just tested draining a swamp down some stairs into a lower tunnel and it worked, and the z attack code looks fine at least locally. A save would be handy for this one. Going to bed now...
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2011, 09:54:00 am
Post by: Knarfle on March 24, 2011, 09:58:07 am
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(*) Made healthcare work for dwarves that need crutches
Awesome-sauce. Vegetable dorfs will be rarer now and more tragic.
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2011, 10:09:32 am
Oh look, a DF player!Quote(*) Made healthcare work for dwarves that need crutches
Awesome-sauce. Vegetable dorfs will be rarer now and more tragic.
Post by: Tellemurius on March 24, 2011, 10:09:53 am
Post by: Vorthon on March 24, 2011, 10:12:12 am
Can't wait to get my hands on it...
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 10:22:46 am
Copying the origonal save directly from .21 into .22 to try to reproduce also has the water begin flowing normally.
But copying the wrong folder may have made me identify the real problem! Yay! I have noticed something weird with the freshly copied over ramps.
In the case of ramps the down ramp above it still exists, but the up ramp below vanishes.
Here's two screenshots that may explain it better. (Images are roughly 1230x708 for those with low resolutions)
So It seems to be a map conversion issue. This appears to have happened throughout the entire map, including the caverns. It is just most noticable in player made channels.
EDIT: After letting the game run for awhile I'm finding more and more ramps are getting deleted as the game continues... So it may just be 'washing away' ramps and stairs that are submerged as the game runs and NOT deleting them immediately on load. This is getting weirder and weirder.
Post by: Ovg on March 24, 2011, 10:25:37 am
Will dwarfs claim clothes properly? Or is that for another bugfix release?
Post by: Rumrusher on March 24, 2011, 10:33:39 am
Post by: Jorshamo on March 24, 2011, 10:49:36 am
Also:
(*) Cleaned up some issues with glass items
Does this mean crystal glass will work now? Even so, the other bug fixes are great!
Post by: Footkerchief on March 24, 2011, 10:51:16 am
Hallelujah.
Also:(*) Cleaned up some issues with glass items
Does this mean crystal glass will work now? Even so, the other bug fixes are great!
More likely these bugs:
0003071: All hardcoded materials (glass etc) have uninitialized MAX_EDGE and ABSORPTION and crappy yield/fracture/strain values (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3071)
0002813: Glass weapons (in traps) are comically ineffective (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=2813)
The crystal glass bug (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1498) hasn't been marked as fixed.
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 11:00:21 am
Bug report: #0004315 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4315)
It appears all water in .22 (not just saves carried over from previous versions, and possibly not water that is not flowing) interacts with the grass growing code in a way that deletes mined out stairs and ramps.
My thoughts on some linkage to grass growing being involved is a little vague, but all deleted stairs I found so far have some kind of grass in it's place.
So if you have ramps or stairs underwater don't get too attached to them.
Post by: ahonek on March 24, 2011, 11:32:06 am
Let me know if any of you guys have this issue as well.
Post by: Footkerchief on March 24, 2011, 11:34:25 am
Let me know if any of you guys have this issue as well.
Greiger posted about this right above you. The bug tracker report is here. (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4315)
Post by: ahonek on March 24, 2011, 11:41:56 am
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 11:43:27 am
So maybe the act of grass dying turns the tile into flat ground? I noticed it with water probably because grass growing in deep water seems to almost instantly die. But if it's happening on the ground too in what I assume are heavily trafficked zones maybe it's grass dying that causes it...
Post by: Darthania on March 24, 2011, 11:45:06 am
Post by: Alastar on March 24, 2011, 11:49:17 am
Post by: Kogut on March 24, 2011, 11:50:03 am
Post by: ahonek on March 24, 2011, 11:54:27 am
So yer having it happen on spots that don't have water? ...hmm, maybe I should edit the report...
So maybe the act of grass dying turns the tile into flat ground? I noticed it with water probably because grass growing in deep water seems to almost instantly die. But if it's happening on the ground too in what I assume are heavily trafficked zones maybe it's grass dying that causes it...
I did have water on the stairs in the past, but when they were vanishing it was long after the water had dried up. It is certainly a high-traffic area of my fort, so it could be from grass dying.
Post by: Aydjile on March 24, 2011, 12:02:14 pm
Post by: Thief^ on March 24, 2011, 12:29:30 pm
Спасибо вам, товарищ Тоади! Желаю дальнейших творческих успехов и развития вашего проекта.Sorry?
Post by: TomiTapio on March 24, 2011, 12:35:27 pm
Post by: jwest23 on March 24, 2011, 12:38:42 pm
http://goo.gl/n8RV0Спасибо вам, товарищ Тоади! Желаю дальнейших творческих успехов и развития вашего проекта.Sorry?
And thanks, Toady!
Post by: ahonek on March 24, 2011, 12:39:40 pm
So yer having it happen on spots that don't have water? ...hmm, maybe I should edit the report...
So maybe the act of grass dying turns the tile into flat ground? I noticed it with water probably because grass growing in deep water seems to almost instantly die. But if it's happening on the ground too in what I assume are heavily trafficked zones maybe it's grass dying that causes it...
I did have water on the stairs in the past, but when they were vanishing it was long after the water had dried up. It is certainly a high-traffic area of my fort, so it could be from grass dying.
After doing a little bit of field research, I can confirm that this issue only happens on muddied tiles.
Post by: proxn_punkd on March 24, 2011, 01:01:34 pm
Phew! Then I can update to .22... right after I finally got the init files in .21 set up the way I like them, too!After doing a little bit of field research, I can confirm that this issue only happens on muddied tiles.So yer having it happen on spots that don't have water? ...hmm, maybe I should edit the report...I did have water on the stairs in the past, but when they were vanishing it was long after the water had dried up. It is certainly a high-traffic area of my fort, so it could be from grass dying.
So maybe the act of grass dying turns the tile into flat ground? I noticed it with water probably because grass growing in deep water seems to almost instantly die. But if it's happening on the ground too in what I assume are heavily trafficked zones maybe it's grass dying that causes it...
Post by: mnjiman on March 24, 2011, 01:17:25 pm
Post by: analog on March 24, 2011, 01:23:30 pm
EDIT: And now it's giant badgers...
Post by: Lav on March 24, 2011, 01:53:37 pm
A creature with this tag should purposefully destroy all windows. :-)
Post by: TolyK on March 24, 2011, 01:56:26 pm
Спасибо вам, товарищ Тоади! Желаю дальнейших творческих успехов и развития вашего проекта.This means,
"Thank you, (comrade :P) Toady! [ I ] wish you further success and development of your project."
I support him :D
EDIT: Ninja'd! But I did it myself :P
Post by: Naryar on March 24, 2011, 02:00:25 pm
Also, everything is indeed better with platypi.
Edit: HELL YEAH PLATYPUS MEN AND GIANT PLATYPUS
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 24, 2011, 02:15:12 pm
As much as I look forward to some of the coming attractions, the killing of so many bugs, and hopefully such a stable release is exactly what I've been looking for in starting my next serious fortress.
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 02:27:15 pm
Filling a pit with water. I'm looking through my fortress and I come across somebody carrying a bucket very very slowly.
Spoiler: Must be a really big bucket (click to show/hide)
It seems Toady's dwarves left a little bit of portable hole in the buckets when he told them to pour them out of the pots and take them to the atom smasher.
EDIT: Seems to reproduce. #0004318 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4318)
Post by: Levi on March 24, 2011, 02:37:54 pm
I found another odd little bug, but I havent gotten this one to reproduce yet or really know what's going on with it.
Filling a pit with water. I'm looking through my fortress and I come across somebody carrying a bucket very very slowly.Spoiler: Must be a really big bucket (click to show/hide)
It seems Toady's dwarves left a little bit of portable hole in the buckets when he told them to pour them out of the pots and take them to the atom smasher.
EDIT: Seems to reproduce. Posting.
Ha! I hope he fills the pit with water in one trip. :)
Post by: Chaoseed on March 24, 2011, 02:42:06 pm
Am I the only one who's excited that giraffe eggs are fixed now?
HELL YEAH!.........:o
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 02:42:38 pm
Ha! I hope he fills the pit with water in one trip. :)
Heh I was hoping that too. Sadly it still only produces 1/7 water at the destination.
Post by: Lav on March 24, 2011, 02:54:45 pm
If the problem is the same there, then... well, it just means that having a well inside your hospital becomes even more important.
Post by: SpiralDimentia on March 24, 2011, 02:55:51 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on March 24, 2011, 03:11:41 pm
Found that vanilla bumblebee lacks [PETVALUE:1] [PETVALUE_DIVISOR:1000].
Post by: veok on March 24, 2011, 03:27:30 pm
Giraffe eggs?
Eggs with 5x value! On par with Elephants and Rhinos
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 03:45:12 pm
I wonder whether the dwarves will carry similarly absurd amounts of water to wounded.
If the problem is the same there, then... well, it just means that having a well inside your hospital becomes even more important.
I didn't notice any particular slowness from my healthcare department last siege, but I didn't really have much in the way of wounded and was too distracted to keep a close eye on the goings on of the healthcare, so while I don't think it happens with doctors, I can't be sure enough to rule it out.
Post by: Jiri Petru on March 24, 2011, 04:18:29 pm
Thanks for the release, anyway! ;)
Post by: veok on March 24, 2011, 04:29:24 pm
I'm joining the ranks of people who read "giraffe eggs".
Thanks for the release, anyway! ;)
See what happens with a single character missing?
Shame on you 'S', you should be ashamed!
Post by: Buttery_Mess on March 24, 2011, 04:34:17 pm
Squee!
Post by: FearfulJesuit on March 24, 2011, 04:45:45 pm
The Stray Kitten (tame) has been sacrificed.
Post by: Dante on March 24, 2011, 05:05:48 pm
Post by: TomiTapio on March 24, 2011, 05:28:00 pm
The new creature Honeybadger has [PRONE_TO_RAGE:10]. So it is rather unfriendly. Badger has 1.
We modders should give the PRONE_TO_RAGE to ogres, trolls, dark gnomes, wild bulls, hippos, giant felines, tigermen, cave crawlers, green devourers, rutherers, maneras etc.
Thanks Toady for another creature tuning parameter!
Post by: Kearn on March 24, 2011, 05:28:37 pm
Post by: Siquo on March 24, 2011, 05:42:04 pm
Post by: j0nas on March 24, 2011, 06:13:24 pm
And is this the last 'bugfix' version for now, or is another bugfix release to be expected?
Post by: Siquo on March 24, 2011, 06:28:45 pm
Oh, what collapsed in my cistern was my emergency up/down stairs... If one above and one below a certain stair would disappear, you'd get a cave-in from the middle one...
Post by: greycat on March 24, 2011, 06:28:53 pm
Post by: Toady One on March 24, 2011, 06:36:00 pm
Post by: Twobeard on March 24, 2011, 06:38:33 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 24, 2011, 06:53:10 pm
Post by: narhiril on March 24, 2011, 06:54:16 pm
(*) Made healthcare/hospitals handle plaster/casts properly
(*) Stopped hospitals from stocking everything, ignoring the item caps
(*) Stopped inaccessible spam from cleaning jobs with soap
(*) Made fish appear in many situation where they were erroneous missing (old forts will still be off, unfortunately)
(*) Fixed up bone artifacts
(*) Sorted out an issue with combat/training bolts
(*) Stopped surgery cancellations over patient not resting in some circumstances
I am crying tears of joy.
Post by: ral on March 24, 2011, 08:40:33 pm
Post by: monk12 on March 24, 2011, 08:55:52 pm
Does this mean that the bugs related to dwarves equipping armor are fixed by now, or will the military caste still need intense babysitting whenever equipping stuff?
And is this the last 'bugfix' version for now, or is another bugfix release to be expected?
The current release cycle reads something like New Content Release -> New Bugfix Release -> Old Bugfix Release, excluding quick releases for major new bugs. We just went through the second bugfix release after Release 1, so next on tap is Release 2, bugfixes, bugfixes, Release 3, etc.
And perfect timing, Toady! I've got a couple days off in a row to enjoy a platypus fort now!
Post by: darkflagrance on March 24, 2011, 09:10:03 pm
Post by: Greiger on March 24, 2011, 09:17:35 pm
Post by: Urist_McArathos on March 24, 2011, 09:27:43 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on March 24, 2011, 10:15:56 pm
[CREATURE:RODENT MEN]
Theres no "_" there. Is this actually a legal tag? Have we all been_hyphenating_shit_for_no_reason?
Post by: 3 on March 24, 2011, 10:24:16 pm
Post by: Rose on March 24, 2011, 10:33:02 pm
I'm just happy stonesense doesn't care about the spaces.
Post by: Toady One on March 24, 2011, 10:35:32 pm
Quote from: Greiger
Though sorta on that vein, and this probably isn't the right thread for questions what is the difference between non-healthcare related cleaning with just water and water+soap? Anybody know?
There is a hidden grime number -- regularly cleaning only reduces it to some small number, but soap takes it to zero (or 1, don't recall). The hidden grime number influences the infection chance for the part.
Quote from: Jacos
are castles still often filled with animals?
Yeah, whatever's happening there is still going on. It comes from breaking out of the caravan stuff in the middle. It should be handled with the actual Release 1. I didn't want to handle it earlier since I'd just need to pull the bandaid right off again.
Quote from: Jeoshua
I noticed something and Toady, please... a response?
[CREATURE:RODENT MEN]
Theres no "_" there. Is this actually a legal tag? Have we all been_hyphenating_shit_for_no_reason?
It's legal for a name like the overall object tokens or for things like attack names or material names, but you can't remove the _ from any tag that uses them. You can remove it when you are putting in your own text/names, basically, rather than a hard-coded symbol.
Post by: Fayceless on March 24, 2011, 10:59:22 pm
(http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b314/Fayceless/badgerbug.jpg)
All the messages I got for the fort (just a test-embarked with 80 of the badgers)
EDIT: actually, I'm still watching this, and I'm not sure what's going. There's a whole bunch of badgers randomly attacking things...there's never any indication in the announcements that something is happening. That'd be nice to know.
Post by: Elim on March 24, 2011, 10:59:56 pm
A Dwarf who was in the Hospital for 2 Years+ gets up, crawls all the way to the Dining-Room and bashes the Head of another Dwarf in.
Booth Dwarves are happy and have nothing to do with each other.
What happened here?
Now a perfectly healthy Dwarf lies in his own Pool of Blood, dead, and that Dummbeutel crawls through my Fortress, hauling a Sock with the Speed of a drunken Snail.
Should have let him starve in the Hospital...
Post by: fivex on March 24, 2011, 11:20:11 pm
I noticed something and Toady, please... a response?This is also true for capitalization, apparently.
[CREATURE:RODENT MEN]
Theres no "_" there. Is this actually a legal tag? Have we all been_hyphenating_shit_for_no_reason?
Post by: Eoganachta on March 24, 2011, 11:28:58 pm
Downloading now.
Post by: Edosurist on March 24, 2011, 11:44:14 pm
Post by: drvoke on March 24, 2011, 11:46:58 pm
Post by: bombcar on March 24, 2011, 11:48:05 pm
Just curious, are dwarven restrooms ever going to be added?
Toady has said he never wants to deal with that aspect of the simulation.
Post by: monk12 on March 24, 2011, 11:55:45 pm
Just curious, are dwarven restrooms ever going to be added?
Toady has said he never wants to deal with that aspect of the simulation.
Not quite, but suffice it to say that it is a topic that has been exhaustively covered. Search for some threads with excrement in the title, you'll see what I mean.
Post by: Farmerbob on March 25, 2011, 12:29:12 am
Giraffe eggs?
OK time to download the new version, I can't resist!
*silliness aside, this bugfix version gives great impressions of awesomeness*
Post by: Deon on March 25, 2011, 01:11:19 am
Odd Bug/Feature?"You! I couldn't move for years and you were standing near me and joking, and jumping on your working feet! Now the Armok has heard my prayers, I can leave my bed now, die bastard!"
A Dwarf who was in the Hospital for 2 Years+ gets up, crawls all the way to the Dining-Room and bashes the Head of another Dwarf in.
Booth Dwarves are happy and have nothing to do with each other.
What happened here?
Now a perfectly healthy Dwarf lies in his own Pool of Blood, dead, and that Dummbeutel crawls through my Fortress, hauling a Sock with the Speed of a drunken Snail.
Should have let him starve in the Hospital...
Post by: Biowraith on March 25, 2011, 01:35:37 am
Odd Bug/Feature?Was it a military dwarf? Thinking maybe he'd been assigned to administer "justice" to the other dwarf and until now was having to just wait and hope he came by the hospital for his beating.
A Dwarf who was in the Hospital for 2 Years+ gets up, crawls all the way to the Dining-Room and bashes the Head of another Dwarf in.
Booth Dwarves are happy and have nothing to do with each other.
What happened here?
Post by: Siquo on March 25, 2011, 03:42:06 am
Post by: Daskinor on March 25, 2011, 03:47:22 am
"You! I couldn't move for years and you were standing near me and joking, and jumping on your working feet! Now the Armok has heard my prayers, I can leave my bed now, die bastard!"
I'm particularly impressed how quickly he siezed the most sought-after of all dwarven produce, a sock.
"Well me legs aint workin' right but damned if my feet are gonna be cold now I finally have the strength to drag my arse outta bed to enact brutal retribution on ye smiley bastards who didn't bring me any booze for 2 long years! Armoks bloody balls, which way to the stockpiles ye misbegotten sons of a flyblown elf!'
Post by: Areyar on March 25, 2011, 04:55:58 am
Hmm, I'm getting message spam from a tanner who wants to feed an animal. He has a live goose as a pet, who is around and happy, and a "cavy sow" or whatever that is, who is dead and whose upper body is entirely missing. Is he trying to feed a dead, missing upper body?
A cavy sow is a female guiney pig....or however you write that.
In Dutch those are caled 'cavia' by the way.
also:
this (http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://files.sharenator.com/Patagonian_Cavy_Worlds_strangest_looking_animals-s500x667-2272-580.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sharenator.com/Worlds_strangest_looking_animals/&usg=__IVic3Q0wMD9KFqybp6uP1UNt3zQ=&h=667&w=500&sz=50&hl=nl&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=mTyOwQJOK_Q_RM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=103&ei=M2eMTe6nOMKeOqbItKEC&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcavy%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1004%26bih%3D581%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1)
Post by: Siquo on March 25, 2011, 05:08:35 am
A cavy sow is a female guiney pig....or however you write that.That's not a cavia, ik weet toch wel hoe zo'n beest er uit ziet ;)! (wikiwiki) ah, but it is a cavy, which is more of a general name.
In Dutch those are caled 'cavia' by the way.
also:
this (http://www.google.nl/imgres?imgurl=http://files.sharenator.com/Patagonian_Cavy_Worlds_strangest_looking_animals-s500x667-2272-580.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sharenator.com/Worlds_strangest_looking_animals/&usg=__IVic3Q0wMD9KFqybp6uP1UNt3zQ=&h=667&w=500&sz=50&hl=nl&start=1&zoom=1&tbnid=mTyOwQJOK_Q_RM:&tbnh=138&tbnw=103&ei=M2eMTe6nOMKeOqbItKEC&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcavy%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dnl%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1004%26bih%3D581%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1)
But thanks, at least I know what he's trying to feed...
Post by: Areyar on March 25, 2011, 05:13:58 am
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Post by: Mazonas on March 25, 2011, 08:47:04 am
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it seems when honey badgers enrage, there's no message for it, just for when it goes un-enraged.
No, no. That is normal.
The default state for a honeybadger is seething rage.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 25, 2011, 10:00:12 am
Post by: izraqthedark on March 25, 2011, 11:23:32 am
The only problems I have had was with worldgen being really slow around year 150 and beyond. I tested it on my Linux laptop and just disregarded it as a processing error. I tested it on windows and did the same. No big deal I understand there is a lot going on with world gen since 40d. Site finding was kinda laggy too but also I understand that has changed.
Oddly noticed I embarked at a temperate place and there was snow and ice... I don't know if this is a bug and how would I go about melting ice so I can get water :).
Post by: Rose on March 25, 2011, 11:31:31 am
it generally means places that have snow in the winter.
there are ways to thaw ice, but it's generally easier to dig for water.
Post by: izraqthedark on March 25, 2011, 11:42:07 am
Post by: khearn on March 25, 2011, 11:56:34 am
Oddly noticed I embarked at a temperate place and there was snow and ice... I don't know if this is a bug and how would I go about melting ice so I can get water :).
Just wait until your most important dwarves are in the middle of crossing the frozen water. It'll melt then.
Keith
Post by: Rose on March 25, 2011, 12:03:18 pm
Post by: Vorthon on March 25, 2011, 12:04:58 pm
it's called spring. it comes between winter and summer, it's when the temperature starts rising and stuff melts.
And Canadians (Like myself) rejoice.
For two reasons:
1. It stops being so fucking cold
2. Roll up the Rim to Win
Post by: Xelanthol on March 25, 2011, 12:38:29 pm
All hail roll up the rim. I have my free donut waiting.
I'm excited for the next quick bug fix to this version, a lot of people are having this unconscious dwarf problem in healthcare... Once that gets patched up I am really enjoying this version. I have to say this is my best fortress yet!
Post by: nitnatsnoc on March 25, 2011, 01:19:23 pm
it's called spring. it comes between winter and summer, it's when the temperature starts rising and stuff melts.
And Canadians (Like myself) rejoice.
For two reasons:
1. It stops being so fucking cold
2. Roll up the Rim to Win
Winning!
Post by: monk12 on March 25, 2011, 02:05:07 pm
it's called spring. it comes between winter and summer, it's when the temperature starts rising and stuff melts.
And Canadians (Like myself) rejoice.
For two reasons:
1. It stops being so fucking cold
2. Roll up the Rim to Win
Winning!
I believe its Rrrrrroll up the rim to win.
Post by: Areyar on March 25, 2011, 02:42:11 pm
It is cold enough for water to solidify in winter and warm enough for it to turn liquid again in spring/summer in temperate climates, it's what temperate means: in between freezing-all-the-time and boiling-all-the-time.
on the bright side: it is finally weekend and we can all unpack this new version for some much anticipated healthcare and other stuff. :D joy!
a pitty, I liked the name of my .20 fortress. Nosingdoran, the mechanism of pinnacles... hmm that doesnt sound as cool as I remember. . . maybe it was in .19 Kadôlsákrith, the Entrancing Manor...funny for an aboveground fort maybe,but nah.
Oh well, no issues then, got rid of plenty of great forts for less than a new version before. (actually they are still on my HDDs, just neglected.)
Post by: Urist McAddict on March 25, 2011, 03:08:41 pm
I'll check if it reproduces...
Post by: Footkerchief on March 25, 2011, 03:15:55 pm
Post by: Xelanthol on March 25, 2011, 03:38:18 pm
Post by: Psieye on March 25, 2011, 03:39:45 pm
Post by: Xelanthol on March 25, 2011, 03:54:30 pm
Post by: LoSboccacc on March 25, 2011, 03:55:34 pm
Remember it takes about a day to compile the game for a new release. Toady still wants to see what other hotfixes he needs to do before doing that long compile.
also the bucket bug seems not resolved (from the tracker), so it should be around one day after that? (unless something else comes up)
Post by: Greiger on March 25, 2011, 04:01:19 pm
Also I had a resident get sutured with cow and water buffalo hair. Seems to make sense but they never seemed to do it before (or at least I never saw them do it), and there was no mention of it in any devlogs, so I figured I'd mention it just in case something went wonky.
Post by: Buttery_Mess on March 25, 2011, 04:05:04 pm
Hm, I see I'll have to get right on putting together a save for that then.
Also I had a resident get sutured with cow and water buffalo hair. Seems to make sense but they never seemed to do it before (or at least I never saw them do it), and there was no mention of it in any devlogs, so I figured I'd mention it just in case something went wonky.
Hair could be spun into thread in .21, I don't see why not.
Post by: Greiger on March 25, 2011, 04:07:20 pm
EDIT: Save file added to the bug report for overly full buckets Toady. It seems to be affected in some way by save loading because once I reloaded the game he didn't do it until he filled the bucket emptied it and then came back. So it seems a little tricky. You should see somebody do it within a minute though if you keep an eye on those wells. There's more than one fill pond job floating around and about 100 idlers sitting around waiting for something to do.
Post by: Toady One on March 25, 2011, 04:54:01 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on March 25, 2011, 05:09:43 pm
Remember it takes about a day to compile the game for a new release. Toady still wants to see what other hotfixes he needs to do before doing that long compile.
While I understand that it's a huge, complicated game, a day is really a long time. I had thought it was 5 hours judging by Threetoe's words a few versions back. Anyway, I guess it makes sense considering it has to compile a version for each of the versions you see on the home page (SDL versions for all OS, legacy versions, not to mention packaging each into a zip).
Post by: Toady One on March 25, 2011, 05:20:34 pm
Post by: Ovg on March 25, 2011, 05:35:44 pm
Post by: Xelanthol on March 25, 2011, 05:38:44 pm
I'm hoping tomorrow morning! I didn't notice too many problems other then the buckets and the health care (resting without injury and random surgery that doesn't do anything). I can only imagine the pain in the ass compiling it all is though, reading what you guys have said.
And I hear you Ovg, I got to wait one more month to get back into work from school so I can donate a bit of cash. This game has easily provided me more challenge and -fun- then most of my other games combined. I'd feel wrong just using this product without paying for it.
Post by: Aachen on March 25, 2011, 06:13:37 pm
Time to strike the earth!
Thanks, Toady!
Post by: Greiger on March 25, 2011, 06:50:19 pm
Post by: ZCM on March 25, 2011, 10:56:24 pm
Remember it takes about a day to compile the game for a new release. Toady still wants to see what other hotfixes he needs to do before doing that long compile.
Wait, what? There is some serious problem with the build system (or the build computer) if it takes that long to compile.
Or toady could be using cygwin on windows, though I might consider that a problem with the build system.
EDIT: Five hours is more reasonable, although still a bit slow, even if it's an hour each for 5 versions...
Post by: TolyK on March 25, 2011, 11:00:32 pm
Post by: Xelanthol on March 25, 2011, 11:38:10 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on March 25, 2011, 11:43:35 pm
erm probably a day to compile and error-check (and quick bugcheck)
You do realize that WE are, in fact, Toady's bug testers... right?
Post by: monk12 on March 25, 2011, 11:50:08 pm
Hoping it will be out this mornin ;)
It would certainly be convenient for me- the dwarves resting without injuries bug is beginning to affect a significant portion of my military. But I'm not going to hold my breath.
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 26, 2011, 12:03:03 am
Post by: Xelanthol on March 26, 2011, 12:07:45 am
*Hospital beds are full of unconscious individuals with no wounds, chief doctor is babbling to himself trying to perform surgery* -Uhm whut?
After that though this will be a really awesome release. Very excited :D
Post by: monk12 on March 26, 2011, 12:36:25 am
do they atleast get some rest while they're resting?(you know, like a yo dawg joke) or do they get up and then go to sleep cuz they hadn't the opportunity to with all that resting? if that aint the case it's not that big a deal, think of it as taking a nap, they end up compensating for it with the extra time they stay awake
Afraid not- the bulk of them got severe blisters from a scuffle with an FB and went to pass out in the hospital. Their history shows no diagnosis request, and they healed up fine on their own- they just lie in the hospital resting nonexistant injuries. According to Mantis that bug is already fixed for next version (at least I hope that's the bug affecting me)
I am quite pleased to see the dwarves who never bothered to go to the hospital (despite more serious foot wounds) crawling around everywhere they need to go- I wish they'd pick up a crutch or something, but at least they aren't bedridden.
Post by: TolyK on March 26, 2011, 12:46:42 am
err, yes, I do.erm probably a day to compile and error-check (and quick bugcheck)
You do realize that WE are, in fact, Toady's bug testers... right?
But I would think he makes sure it actually runs and gens and embarks and does other basic stuff, right? ;)
Post by: Urist McAddict on March 26, 2011, 06:49:15 am
Sry for the bad word, didn't realize it was not allowed...
Post by: Ovg on March 26, 2011, 07:09:59 am
Post by: LoSboccacc on March 26, 2011, 07:22:01 am
I mean, we're all more or less used to work around this or that bug, but this time almost anything is going to be working
yeah there will be around clothing issues and some other stuff, but most of the game is there and is overall a good candidate to let my friends learn the ropes of stuff.
Post by: Lac on March 26, 2011, 09:01:31 am
(*) Fixed some capybara and panda typos and tweaked giraffe and reptile eggsThey probably needed thicker shells to survive the fall...
Giraffe eggs?
Post by: TolyK on March 26, 2011, 09:29:26 am
Post by: jaytourist on March 26, 2011, 11:41:33 pm
Post by: Askot Bokbondeler on March 26, 2011, 11:43:38 pm
Post by: monk12 on March 27, 2011, 12:09:15 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 27, 2011, 12:42:21 am
Post by: Kogut on March 27, 2011, 04:13:46 am
Just a heads up, but at the magma kiln (not sure about regular kiln), the hotkey for clay statues and clay crafts are the same (s).Report in on mantis, please
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