So, I rather enjoyed this last game of Vote Mafia, which will shortly end.Players:
That's why I decided to start another game of it. I think the most of the same rules as last time should apply:
Do not ever quote me. I will smite thee and upon thee I shall set exile for one of my Mafia games.
Do be active. Inactivity will result in ban for no less than one games. If you plan to be gone, do not join, or if you are unaware that you were going to be gone, inform me.
Each player will receive the name of another role that is in the game and a description of that role.
Do not underestimate or overestimate the significance or power of your role. You may be sorely mistaken.
Roles are revealed on death. They will be posted when the player died, and posted on the main page.
PMing is allowed between all living players, so long as I am a recipient of each message.
If there is a tie in votes, all those involved in the tie are lynched.
New Rules:
There will be no more than 12 players to maintain activity. Special priority to previous players will be given. I reserve the right to not add people to this game.
Some roles may or may not be reused from previous Round(s).
The Day goes for 48 hours, or until a 60% majority vote for the Day to end.
No multiple lynches without 80% of the votes.
Unlimited Voter - You have unlimited votes. However, if anyone you vote for is lynched, you lose your power to vote.
Infinity Voter - Once per game, you can make your vote count for infinite votes.
Unknown Voter - You have an unknown number of votes each Day, ranging from negative five to five. You are told at the beginning of the Day.
Copycat Voter - You gain the power of the person for whom you vote until the following Day.
Vote Amplifier - Each Night, you can choose to amplify someone's vote. If that person does not have 1 vote, they now have an additional vote.
Motivational Voter - Each Night, you give another player an extra vote for the following Day.
Although I'm not sure about Swing Voter. It needs a little bonus because there never seemed to be ties. EVARYou make ties. Also, I have some even better ideas for next round...
Gah. In if you still have a spot. (Can you post a link at the end of this one if you're going to run another?)Sure. I suppose I could do that.
Diakron, and others, do you think that we should suspend the random voting until we have all mentioned our known roles?
I know of the Vote Counter, same rules as the first game.
Usually people that copy/steal peoples votes are mafia, but that doesn't really say much. We can be fooled.
Anyway, Free Beer You're fairly new. HOW DO YOU EXCUSE THAT?
I know about the Fibonacci Voter. Just like in round two, the number of votes that they possess on a given day is given by that day's position in the Fibonacci sequence.
I think I am going to start by voting for major_sephiroth, because he caused drama in the Running Man RTD (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=37569.75).Anyway, Free Beer You're fairly new. HOW DO YOU EXCUSE THAT?
What's wrong with being fairly new?
Webadict doesn't have specific alignments for the roles, he said.W
Also, you may notice, I'm the thirteenth d00d; I do not know anyone's role, and nobody knows mine.
Also, webby reveals a letter of my role's name every time I vote. Observe.
Vote Frelock
However, NONE OF YOU ARE TO EVER SAY MY ROLE'S NAME IF YOU ARE TOWN-ALIGNED. I'm town-aligned, I'm not lynch-immune, and I'm not NK-immune, but if you say my role's name (or if I do) and declare it to be my role, he kills me instantly.
Don't even joke about this. The only way to name-kill me is in the thread (unless our esteemed mod is lying to me) so if it's going to happen, let scum do it so you know whom to lynch.
Ok, Pandarsenci's role seems bizarre. I'm curious as to what it's actual purpose in the game is.
Anyway, I just noticed that this had actually started. I'll have to get a new spreadsheet set up for this game. May not get around to that until I'm at work on Monday, though.
In any case, I know about the Double-voter. Just like it sounds, he gets two votes.
Hey I wasn't trying to cause trouble, just expressing my opinion. Harshly.
And what is wrong with being new?
I'm voting for Free Beer because he didn't give me any beer.
| Role Name | Known By | Claimed By |
| Vote Counter | Frelock | ? |
| Infinity Voter | ToonyMan | ? |
| Copycat Voter | chaoticjosh | ? |
| (something) | Pandarsenic | Pandarsenic |
| Fibonacci Voter | Free Beer | ? |
| Double-Voter | Mephansteras | ? |
| Vote Amplifier | Mr. Person | ? |
| Unlimited Voter | Diakron | ? |
i dont vote for any1 cuase i just got on and i have nothing to put in at the moment and random voting is more likely to kill a town
I know about a role call Unlimited voter. (s)he may have unlimited votes but when they participates in voting for the lynched they lose this power.
sounds like infinite voter from the pm i got
The infinity voter should speak up right now. We're not taking the chance of instant loss later in the game, you're using your power today.
Do I have to say my power thing? It isn't Infinity voter though, so don't worry.
- chaoticjosh and ToonyMan for each 'Random' voting the first person on the player list without a vote already on them.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Please elaborate. Some of us, myself included, aren't smart enough to see the things that you seem to think are obvious.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Please elaborate. Some of us, myself included, aren't smart enough to see the things that you seem to think are obvious.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Please elaborate. Some of us, myself included, aren't smart enough to see the things that you seem to think are obvious.
Are you attacking him for being lazy with a random vote? It's not exactly the smartest thing he could of done, but you're blowing it out of proportion. Vote Free Bear.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Please elaborate. Some of us, myself included, aren't smart enough to see the things that you seem to think are obvious.
I was done saying what I had to say so I ended with an avatar sig.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Please elaborate. Some of us, myself included, aren't smart enough to see the things that you seem to think are obvious.
I was done saying what I had to say so I ended with an avatar sig.
I think it's a scum role, that has nothing to do with reality.
I think it's a scum role, that has nothing to do with reality.
And what makes you think it's a scum role? I bet you Webadict just randomly assigns the roles to random people on random teams.
And I know that that wasn't directed at me, Free Beer, but for my part, I think the Infinity Voter should wait a day (or maybe two) before revealing. It's not critical that we know right now, just that we don't end up with scum with that power at a game ending point.
And from experience in the last two Vote Mafias, we'll figure out who everyone is soon enough. Especially with a Vote Reporter in play.
Oh, and Pandarsenic, do you get another letter each time you change your vote? Or just the first vote?
And webadict, are we not supposed to know how many scum there are? I cannot find it either. Or is this one of those "twists the planners throw in for fun?"
And I know that that wasn't directed at me, Free Beer, but for my part, I think the Infinity Voter should wait a day (or maybe two) before revealing. It's not critical that we know right now, just that we don't end up with scum with that power at a game ending point.It's a twist!
And from experience in the last two Vote Mafias, we'll figure out who everyone is soon enough. Especially with a Vote Reporter in play.
Oh, and Pandarsenic, do you get another letter each time you change your vote? Or just the first vote?
And webadict, are we not supposed to know how many scum there are? I cannot find it either. Or is this one of those "twists the planners throw in for fun?"
EI think it's a scum role, that has nothing to do with reality.
And what makes you think it's a scum role? I bet you Webadict just randomly assigns the roles to random people on random teams.
He's confirmed this is the case.And I know that that wasn't directed at me, Free Beer, but for my part, I think the Infinity Voter should wait a day (or maybe two) before revealing. It's not critical that we know right now, just that we don't end up with scum with that power at a game ending point.
And from experience in the last two Vote Mafias, we'll figure out who everyone is soon enough. Especially with a Vote Reporter in play.
Oh, and Pandarsenic, do you get another letter each time you change your vote? Or just the first vote?
And webadict, are we not supposed to know how many scum there are? I cannot find it either. Or is this one of those "twists the planners throw in for fun?"
Unvote, vote ToonyMan.
| Role Name | Known By | Claimed By |
| Vote Counter | Frelock | ? |
| Infinity Voter | ToonyMan | ? |
| Copycat Voter | chaoticjosh | ? |
| (something) | Pandarsenic | Pandarsenic |
| Fibonacci Voter | Free Beer | ? |
| Double-Voter | Mephansteras | ? |
| Vote Amplifier | Mr. Person | ? |
| Unlimited Voter | Diakron | ? |
| Negative Voter | major_sephiroth | ? |
| No Voter | JanusTwoFace | ? |
I think it's a scum role, that has nothing to do with reality.
And what makes you think it's a scum role? I bet you Webadict just randomly assigns the roles to random people on random teams.
He's confirmed this is the case.
| Role Name | Known By | Claimed By |
| Vote Counter | Frelock | ? |
| Infinity Voter | ToonyMan | ? |
| Copycat Voter | chaoticjosh | ? |
| (something) | Pandarsenic | Pandarsenic |
| Fibonacci Voter | Free Beer | ? |
| Double-Voter | Mephansteras | ? |
| Vote Amplifier | Mr. Person | ? |
| Unlimited Voter | Diakron | ? |
| Negative Voter | major_sephiroth | ? |
| No Voter | JanusTwoFace | ? |
| Motivator | Org | ? |
| Triple Voter | RedWarrior | ? |
Players:Org-Swing VoterMr.Person- Infinity VoterPandarsenic- Forceful Voterinaluct- Negative VoterToonyMan- Secret VoterKashyyk/Leafsnail- Lovestruck Voter [ToonyMan]Mephansteras- Motivational Voter
Frelock - Vote Counterchaoticjosh- Triple VoterJanusTwoFace- Lynch DelayerZaithemaster- Vote Blocker
Actually, ToonyMan, the vote counter is the obvious counter to your role, although the infinity voter is another counter as well. However, counter-role |= scum.
Vote Free Beer. Ignore his list, it probably has 2 scum in one of the groups. I think he's scum trying to "clear" a teamate. If not that, then he's just an idiot who might accidentally "clear" a scum in any case.
Actually, ToonyMan, the vote counter is the obvious counter to your role, although the infinity voter is another counter as well. However, counter-role |= scum.
Vote Free Beer. Ignore his list, it probably has 2 scum in one of the groups. I think he's scum trying to "clear" a teamate. If not that, then he's just an idiot who might accidentally "clear" a scum in any case.
On what grounds do you think I am wrong? I think my reasoning is sound. The only way I could be wrong is if what Janus said is correct, that webadict predicted a move like mine and deliberately constructed the teams differently to prevent the strategy from succeeding. Which, by the way, is assumes a WIFOM on the part of webadict.
Perhaps it is you that is scum and you are trying to deflect attention from my accurate list?
Actually, ToonyMan, the vote counter is the obvious counter to your role, although the infinity voter is another counter as well. However, counter-role |= scum.
Vote Free Beer. Ignore his list, it probably has 2 scum in one of the groups. I think he's scum trying to "clear" a teamate. If not that, then he's just an idiot who might accidentally "clear" a scum in any case.
On what grounds do you think I am wrong? I think my reasoning is sound. The only way I could be wrong is if what Janus said is correct, that webadict predicted a move like mine and deliberately constructed the teams differently to prevent the strategy from succeeding. Which, by the way, is assumes a WIFOM on the part of webadict.
Perhaps it is you that is scum and you are trying to deflect attention from my accurate list?
Webadict doesn't "constuct" the list, it's totally random who gets what role. Now you're just being WAY overly defensive.
I don't understand. How is ToonyMan confirmed for thinking a randomly assigned role is a scum role?He's confirmed this is the case.I think it's a scum role, that has nothing to do with reality.And what makes you think it's a scum role? I bet you Webadict just randomly assigns the roles to random people on random teams.
Unvote, vote Zaithemaster. You Elmo wannabe, come out and argue with me!
Of course, that's barely sufficient, so let's hypothetically say you were the vote reporter, how would you go about using that role?
The infinity voter should come forward, but it doesn't have to be tonight. Besides, once they've done the infinity thing, they're a regular old townie. No real reason for the mafia to night-kill them in that case.
I'm going to reveal my role, seeing that Diakron can confirm me.
I am the Unlimited Voter, sorry for the confusion, but I think the Infinity Voter is scum because his role is suspiciously like mine, and so far in these Vote Mafia games, people who have similar roles usually one of them is scum.
The Infinity Voter is also more powerful than me.
Unvote
So wait, before I make any hasty decisions, I want to get this straight.
The infinity voter and the unlimited voter have what is essentially the same power, but the IV will trump the UV if they're both in play, and the UV can switch his around, and will only be negated if he actually manages to kill someone, at which point he becomes a normal townie with 1 vote?
Unvote
So wait, before I make any hasty decisions, I want to get this straight.
The infinity voter and the unlimited voter have what is essentially the same power, but the IV will trump the UV if they're both in play, and the UV can switch his around, and will only be negated if he actually manages to kill someone, at which point he becomes a normal townie with 1 vote?
Hey Zaithemaster, what do you make of this? I'm not trying to deflect, by the way, I just want to know your thoughts.
Unvote
So wait, before I make any hasty decisions, I want to get this straight.
The infinity voter and the unlimited voter have what is essentially the same power, but the IV will trump the UV if they're both in play, and the UV can switch his around, and will only be negated if he actually manages to kill someone, at which point he becomes a normal townie with 1 vote?
Hey Zaithemaster, what do you make of this? I'm not trying to deflect, by the way, I just want to know your thoughts.
Could you clarify as to what it is you are asking my thoughts on?
I'm going to reveal my role, seeing that Diakron can confirm me.
I am the Unlimited Voter, sorry for the confusion, but I think the Infinity Voter is scum because his role is suspiciously like mine, and so far in these Vote Mafia games, people who have similar roles usually one of them is scum.
The Infinity Voter is also more powerful than me.
Actually, ToonyMan, the vote counter is the obvious counter to your role, although the infinity voter is another counter as well. However, counter-role |= scum.
Vote Free Beer. Ignore his list, it probably has 2 scum in one of the groups. I think he's scum trying to "clear" a teamate. If not that, then he's just an idiot who might accidentally "clear" a scum in any case.
So, an unlimited voter is just like an infinity voter, except a UV can change around his vote while a IV can't?
Do I have that right?
toony does seem to be suspicious and in the few games i played with him he was not scum so their is a good chance he is one now. laws of probability and all...Methinks you are scum, and Toony is not. (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Gambler%27s_Fallacy) On the other hand, it couldd be an elaborate WIFOM to convince us Toony isn't scum, but either way Diakron must be scum.
I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the following:
As with previous Vote Mafias, it is likely that webadict attempted to balance the scum team. If two people have similar powers, I'm willing to bet at least one is scum.
Toward that end, I think at one person in each of the following sets: {Infinity Voter, Unlimited Voter, Double Voter, Triple Voter, Fibonacci Voter}, {Vote Counter, Copycat Voter}, and {No Voter, Vote Amplifier, Motivator, Negative Voter, (whatever Pandarsenic's role is), Unknown Voter} is scum.
The reasoning is simple: With that setup, the mafia gets one information gathering power, one lynch power, and one buddying/"unlikely to be scum" power.
Blah blah blah. I can be arrogant because I am ultimate. Who should I lynch? Hmmm....don't get on my bad side.
Unvote
So wait, before I make any hasty decisions, I want to get this straight.
The infinity voter and the unlimited voter have what is essentially the same power, but the IV will trump the UV if they're both in play, and the UV can switch his around, and will only be negated if he actually manages to kill someone, at which point he becomes a normal townie with 1 vote?
Hey Zaithemaster, what do you make of this? I'm not trying to deflect, by the way, I just want to know your thoughts.
Could you clarify as to what it is you are asking my thoughts on?
Chaoticjosh used the same wording that you're voting me for. Note the bolded part. What's your response? (Like I said, not trying to deflect, I'm trying to your response.)
i only learn about this fallacy after the fact however every1 else is just randomly quoting eachother and posting more stuff to be quoted then random voting i get to try and play right? or is this a members exclusive area wher eif you dont play the way every1 else plays you dont get to play?
And what makes you think it's a scum role? I bet you Webadict just randomly assigns the roles to random people on random teams.
Alright, should the town attempt to get as much information as possible, by demanding that everyone vote for someone and then calling for a vote count, or should we try to keep as much information as possible away from the scum, and not?
Alright, should the town attempt to get as much information as possible, by demanding that everyone vote for someone and then calling for a vote count, or should we try to keep as much information as possible away from the scum, and not?
Everyone vote and then do a vote count. However, for the results to be easier to interpret, it would be best if everyone voted for someone different.
But. While you're right in a way (as I know what you're getting at), this is actually quite different. As I mentioned in my post where I voted for you, there are several reasons why I'm voting for you. That alone was not even enough for me to want to FoS you. It's that (you calling the Infinity Voter a regular townie after using their power), combined with you demanding the IV use their power today because you don't trust them, that is one of the reasons I'm voting for you. If you think they're a townie, why the hell would you want them to waste their power, unless you're scum?
Alright, should the town attempt to get as much information as possible, by demanding that everyone vote for someone and then calling for a vote count, or should we try to keep as much information as possible away from the scum, and not?
Everyone vote and then do a vote count. However, for the results to be easier to interpret, it would be best if everyone voted for someone different.
What is being suggested here is essentially that all of the multi-voter people do a mass roleclaim, in effect giving the mafia a nice list of who to kill for their first few days. The information that the town would gain will eventually show up through the end of day reports anyway, so why rush it? FoS Zaithemaster.
A question for you, Zai: let's pretend that this is actually a game of DF mafia. Let's also pretend that you're the Hammerer, and that anyone who investigates you dies. Do you roleclaim on Day One or not?
A question for you, Zai: let's pretend that this is actually a game of DF mafia. Let's also pretend that you're the Hammerer, and that anyone who investigates you dies. Do you roleclaim on Day One or not?
Good question (though not particularly translatable to this Vote Mafia with the current known roles). Probably. Or else I would heavily hint toward my being the Hammerer, as I did in the second (?) Paranormal Mafia when I was the Paranoid War Vet (who would kill anyone who came to my house, no matter what they were; I ended up dying while killing a Dopp)though no one seemed to catch my hints, or at least the scum didn't.
In a more relevant example: If I had a role such as the Vengeful Voter from VM2, I would have claimed it on Day 1 to ensure no innocents were hurt, as Leafsnail did.But TM having his random vote land on Leafsnail was hilarious and yet sad at the same time.
I'll get a Vote Count up in a second, and the Day won't end for at least 24 hours, if not 48, since I started yesterday, or something.Blah blah blah. I can be arrogant because I am ultimate. Who should I lynch? Hmmm....don't get on my bad side.
Threatening all of the town isn't what I'd call a good answer Toon. But since it's really come down to it, I have to ask the stupid obvious question to you: From what you've seen thus far, whom would you kill and why?
Also, WA, what is the vote count and when will the day end?
Also, Mr.Person, thanks for displaying your thoughts more clearly.
And Diakron, Toony was scum in the first vote mafia. You weren't there though, and probably haven't read it, but defending a fallacy is a dodgy thing, just to let you know.
Unvote
So wait, before I make any hasty decisions, I want to get this straight.
The infinity voter and the unlimited voter have what is essentially the same power, but the IV will trump the UV if they're both in play, and the UV can switch his around, and will only be negated if he actually manages to kill someone, at which point he becomes a normal townie with 1 vote?
Alright, I've been reading some things:I'm going to reveal my role, seeing that Diakron can confirm me.
I am the Unlimited Voter, sorry for the confusion, but I think the Infinity Voter is scum because his role is suspiciously like mine, and so far in these Vote Mafia games, people who have similar roles usually one of them is scum.
The Infinity Voter is also more powerful than me.
I'm trying to wrap my head around why you'd roleclaim. I can understand the whole "wanting to appear town" concept, but this ultimately doesn't accomplish anything. What I mean by this is, if you were in fact town, you wouldn't have to worry about how your power might implicate you, because it'd be your power to use against the mafia, and this only throws you out into the open. By doing this, you've made yourself worthless to the town in a practical sense. So, through this I'm led to believe that this was all aethetics, what do you think about that Toonyman?
Although, I guess my vote doesn't really matter, since your power can overpower everyone else's.Actually, ToonyMan, the vote counter is the obvious counter to your role, although the infinity voter is another counter as well. However, counter-role |= scum.
Vote Free Beer. Ignore his list, it probably has 2 scum in one of the groups. I think he's scum trying to "clear" a teamate. If not that, then he's just an idiot who might accidentally "clear" a scum in any case.
Do you mind if I question you on your vote of Free Beer? His lists were very sensible, and your accusation is very vague. Can you point out what you don't like about it exactly? What I mean is, if you're going to preemptively accuse him of WIFOM'ing the town, then come out and say it.
Quote from: Free BeerI'm willing to go out on a limb and say the following:
As with previous Vote Mafias, it is likely that webadict attempted to balance the scum team. If two people have similar powers, I'm willing to bet at least one is scum.
Toward that end, I think at one person in each of the following sets: {Infinity Voter, Unlimited Voter, Double Voter, Triple Voter, Fibonacci Voter}, {Vote Counter, Copycat Voter}, and {No Voter, Vote Amplifier, Motivator, Negative Voter, (whatever Pandarsenic's role is), Unknown Voter} is scum.
The reasoning is simple: With that setup, the mafia gets one information gathering power, one lynch power, and one buddying/"unlikely to be scum" power.
I voted him because this is false and he is, in fact, going to wind up WIFOMing the town that way. Think about what's he saying. We've all agree'd that Webadict makes the setup randomly. Thus, he doesn't "balance" the scum team. Well, there you go, we all agree what he's saying is wrong and thus THIS PART OF HIS POST should be ignored.
However, here's something we should consider. It's unlikely that Webadict would allow a Triple Voter, Double Voter, Fibonacci Voter scum-team, especially with the Vote Amplifier and Nonvoter as town. If that's the scumteam, we've already lost unless we lynch them today or tomorrow anyways, so it's a wash. Other than that, except for how everybody uses their role, we really can't deduce anything from roles alone. Period.
Fake edit: FoS Diakron for trying to use Gambler's Fallacy to push a lynch on ToonyMan.
at this time Free Beer looks suspicious to me for i do not think that a townie would have decided to give any roles up to the scum this early in the game.
i have come up with a good argue meant against me "Using gamblers Fallacy to push a lynch on toony."i wasn't pushing a lynch, i was voting for a reason and that was my reason. i did not say "Hey everyone vote toony, becuase of this reason."
However i will Unvote as my reasoning is no longer true.
at this time Free Beer looks suspicious to me for i do not think that a townie would have decided to give any roles up to the scum this early in the game.
at this time Free Beer looks suspicious to me for i do not think that a townie would have decided to give any roles up to the scum this early in the game.
So are we just waiting for Org and major to vote at this point, so the vote counter can do his thing?
Sir Josh will be lynched if nothing changes.
Well, I'm pretty sure all of the players are guys, but if gender is out of the question, and if I had a night kill, I would choose major sephiroth for, well, the same reason Toony voted for him to be honest.
And by not scumhunter, I mean not a cabable scumhunter.
If you were planning to ask one of the other players out on a date before you NK them, who do you ask?
The only people with night kills in this game are the mafia. So you think ToonyMan is voting sephiroth because ToonyMan is mafia?
And poof, like that, he's gone.
Maybe someday RedWarrior0 will look back on the previous conversation fondly as the day he decided to start scumhunting and realized he enjoyed it.
Joshface may have learned his lesson from his slipup in the recent Paranormal; regardless, my vote counts for nothing anyway.
Curse time zones making you all suspicious of me!
So this Vote Counter thing works, I'll vote Free Beer for being aggressive and trying to get people to vote haphazardly.
...You people don't mind when I shorten your usernames for my own personal convenience, do you? >,>
Alright, since it seems as though the day's gonna be extended, we might as well also draw out whomever hasn't revealed their known role yet. Last time I check, there were two people to go?
Alright, so everyone's posted, and all the roles are known. In case I'm still voting, Unvote.
Role Name Known By Claimed By Vote Counter Frelock ? Infinity Voter ToonyMan ? Copycat Voter chaoticjosh ? (something) Pandarsenic Pandarsenic Fibonacci Voter Free Beer ? Double-Voter Mephansteras ? Vote Amplifier Mr. Person ? Unlimited Voter Diakron ? Negative Voter major_sephiroth ? No Voter JanusTwoFace ? Motivator Org ? Triple Voter RedWarrior ?
[...]
| Role Name | Known By | Claimed By |
| Vote Counter | Frelock | ? |
| Infinity Voter | ToonyMan | ? |
| Copycat Voter | chaoticjosh | ? |
| (something) | Pandarsenic | Pandarsenic |
| Fibonacci Voter | Free Beer | ? |
| Double-Voter | Mephansteras | RedWarrior0 |
| Vote Amplifier | Mr. Person | ? |
| Unlimited Voter | Diakron | ToonyMan |
| Unknown Voter | Zaithemaster | Frelock |
| Negative Voter | major_sephiroth | ? |
| No Voter | JanusTwoFace | ? |
| Motivator | Org | ? |
| Triple Voter | RedWarrior | ? |
You aren't paying attention. Is that intentional, are do you really just not care?
[...] Especially with a Vote Reporter in play.[...]
[...]Of course, that's barely sufficient, so let's hypothetically say you were the vote reporter, how would you go about using that role?
Own up to what exactly? That was one of those hypothetical questions that we like to prod eachother with occasionally.
But to take your inquiries more seriously, I've been catching up on my television watching lately, and only been tangentially following the events since the arguing calmed down.
Toonyman, you're a big ball of obfuscating stupidity, and much like the tvtropes article of the same name, you act dumb while actually being very intelligent. Now, call me resentful of you controlling today's lynch, but I feel that someone in your prodigious position of authority would actually, you know, be more aggressive on others. You've been rather complacent, if I say so myself, and I resent that even more. In fact, I'd even call it a scumtell.
Staged? Free Beer's dogging of chaoticjosh for the dumbest things makes me think he's scum all the more.
Not that I think chaoticjosh isn't scum, mind you, but I feel very confident Free Beer is.
I'm not quite sure how that logic works Free Beer. Janus is town because he made a mistake? and then I'm town because...?
I'm not quite sure how WA would represent that someone had infinity votes on them. I don't think he has access to the infinity symbol, unless it's something that would be represented by showing them as having 99 votes or something. That, or maybe Toon really does have to vote for someone repeatedly in order to make it work?
Joshface may have learned his lesson from his slipup in the recent Paranormal;
webadict will probably give us at least one more vote tally before the Day ends, so we'll know you're whether you're telling the truth and can refocus our efforts after that.
Joshface may have learned his lesson from his slipup in the recent Paranormal;
For those of us who have not been a part of recent Paranormal Mafias (read: me), what slip-up is it that you speak of?
Basically, he overreacted to an accusation on day 1. Which is why random voting, especially with reasons for it, can be so effective. If you can hit scum with an accusation they'll often give you some sign of being scum. They might deflect the question, overreact, or whatever. Different people have different tells. But it's a good way to find scum, and the only reliable way to find scum Day 1 (at least in most mafias).
Uggg. You know, asking me that has made me go through all the players again and I'm really not willing to rule anyone out as scum at this point. Everyone's done some stuff that bugs me a bit, just not as much as the ones I've FOS'd.
But I suppose if I really had to pick three it would be JanusTwoFace, Zaithemaster, and Frelock. I'm getting a more-town vibe out of those three. But, then, I ended up with Janus and Frelock at end-game last round and wouldn't have thought either one was really scum day 1. So I'm being more suspicious this round. ;D
Uggg. You know, asking me that has made me go through all the players again and I'm really not willing to rule anyone out as scum at this point. Everyone's done some stuff that bugs me a bit, just not as much as the ones I've FOS'd.
But I suppose if I really had to pick three it would be JanusTwoFace, Zaithemaster, and Frelock. I'm getting a more-town vibe out of those three. But, then, I ended up with Janus and Frelock at end-game last round and wouldn't have thought either one was really scum day 1. So I'm being more suspicious this round. ;D
*Looks sadly at Meph's list of prob-townies*
What about meeeeee? :P
not only that but he is not acting the same as last game nor the few other games i played with him when he was town.
I think that plus his actions with FB are more then just suspicious, however it seems that FB is getting it this day.
Looking back on his previous voting (the screen and a half post) he is trying to distance himself from FB
Dammit, I forgot I had to vote alot for it to work. :P Great, now I have no proof and stuff. Let me try to tell you my role as clean as possible.
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You are scum Free Beer, it's so obvious.
The only one who can stop me is the Infinity Voter and they would be stupid to vote me and reveal themselves. Goodbye scum.
Why would you even vote me? You know I can out-vote you....unless you're the Infinity Voter.
I vote Free Beer an infinite amount of times.
Why would you even vote me? You know I can out-vote you....unless you're the Infinity Voter.
I vote Free Beer an infinite amount of times.
We'll just see about it at the end of the Day, shall we?
This is a broadcast message to the Infinite Voter. I don't know who you are, but now is a good a time as any to use your power. If you do, we will either get a double lynch between me and ToonyMan, or ToonyMan will be lynched by himself (if he's lying). If ToonyMan lynches me due to being the Unlimited Voter, he will have zero votes thereafter and will be useless to the town and will be overlooked if scum. This is win/win for the town (unless both ToonyMan and myself are town, which would be unfortunate).
I am the Unlimited Voter, bow down scum!
Sir Josh will be lynched if nothing changes.
I don't follow. I thought you had unlimited (but not fixed) votes, so if you wanted to force a chaoticjosh vote you'd need to say something like "I vote for chaoticjosh a million billion times"?
Or is it that you are basically an Infinity voter with an "always-on" power?
Hmmm, Free Beer, you do know that if the infinity voter goes up against the unlimited voter, the infinity voter wins, right?
Also, I'm surprised that Toony isn't taking advantage of his role to lynch more than one person. Heck, he could kill off everybody, but if he tried it, the infinity voter would probably snuff him out. This makes the infinity voter an important counter to the unlimited voter, which makes me wonder if they're on the same team...
In any case, Unvote and vote Free Beer
I vote
chaoticjosh
Free Beer
Mr.Person
Frelock
Org
Diakron
Zaithemaster
Mephansteras
RedWarrior0
major_sephiroth
JanusTwoface
Pandarsenic
ALL AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF TIMES.
>:(
Anybody else curious as to why org has 4 votes, even though only Frelock voted him?
hey Toonyman? i use the power of Infinity Voter on you
GOOD. BYE. SIR!
I'm a broken role magnet man.Fix'd.
I'm unvoting and voting for Diakron for trying to get away with acting like a crackhead.B
Yeah, that's why I said "don't even joke about it."
It's exactly what/who you think. DON'T SAY IT.
x+1>x
its proven in math that if i get more then infinite becomes meaningless and the added is all that matters
Unlimited Voter - You have unlimited votes. However, if anyone you vote for is lynched, you lose your power to vote.
Infinity Voter - Once per game, you can make your vote count for infinite votes.
Unknown Voter - You have an unknown number of votes each Day, ranging from negative five to five. You are told at the beginning of the Day.
So, what does everyone think about the situation thus far?
So, what does everyone think about the situation thus far?I think it is going rather poorly for the town, but it is still winnable. I must say, the scum in here are doing a very nice job. I was actually suspicious of Frelock.
And I want major_sephiroth to show up and post today.Different time zones are annoying, aren't they? I'm GMT-10, Australian Eastern Standard Time. Blame the fact the earth is a sphere!
Vote Chaoticjosh.So, what does everyone think about the situation thus far?
It's crummy, that's what it is. I had my suspicions, but the pit of my stomach told me that something wasn't right with yesterday. Them (Toon and Diakron) stupidly going at eachothers throat was about as annoying as it could have ever possibly gotten, and was worse in the fact that it removed anyone else's ability to influence the vote.
There's another reason I don't like you though Janus, and it's because you voted for Toony along with Free Beer.
This doesn't really mean much, until you remember the copycat voter. If either your or FB are the copycat voter, then we have another fiasco on our hands with someone controlling today's lynch.
There's also the possibility of Redwarrior and Pandar, who voted for Diakron, but they voted before he revealed himself, and thus it would be a sheer stroke of bad luck if either was the CCV.
AVote Chaoticjosh.So, what does everyone think about the situation thus far?
It's crummy, that's what it is. I had my suspicions, but the pit of my stomach told me that something wasn't right with yesterday. Them (Toon and Diakron) stupidly going at eachothers throat was about as annoying as it could have ever possibly gotten, and was worse in the fact that it removed anyone else's ability to influence the vote.
There's another reason I don't like you though Janus, and it's because you voted for Toony along with Free Beer.
This doesn't really mean much, until you remember the copycat voter. If either your or FB are the copycat voter, then we have another fiasco on our hands with someone controlling today's lynch.
There's also the possibility of Redwarrior and Pandar, who voted for Diakron, but they voted before he revealed himself, and thus it would be a sheer stroke of bad luck if either was the CCV.
My vote doesn't mean shit anyway, remember?
I don't mean to be rude Pandar, but I'm a bit suspicious of you as well. I don't remember you contributing much, and the only times you pop up is to remind of us your crappy mystery role.
The you not liking and then voting me and then Mr.Person claiming that I was deflecting. Although that seems a mite obvious if you were actually scum trying to pull that. So maybe only one of you is scum?
For that matter, did you actually ask me a question at some point that I haven't answered? If so, I've honestly missed it. At first I thought Mr.Person was referring to only a few posts back, but it doesn't look like that anymore (no question marks to be seen).
Ha! I knew it!
Didn't dilly dally with this bullcrap Free Beer, if you were mafia, then you'd have already won! Since it's obvious you're town now, just kill everyone. There's NO ONE to stop you.
Amen to that. Kill us all.Ha! I knew it!
Didn't dilly dally with this bullcrap Free Beer, if you were mafia, then you'd have already won! Since it's obvious you're town now, just kill everyone. There's NO ONE to stop you.
Please do this. The game can end quickly if this is possible and done.
Did WA change it or something? Does the Copycat only inherit a fraction of the power? Elaborate!
Free Beer grew some frickin' grape fruit in his absence, apparently!My thoughts exactly. Never thought I'd see the day... ;D
This only serves to heighten my frustration though, I shouldn't have to prove myself essay-style to a self-assumed faux-ruler!
FAKE EDIT: To the people who don't want to explain to Free Beer: Enjoy getting lynched.But he can only lynch one of us.
Amen to that. Kill us all.Ha! I knew it!
Didn't dilly dally with this bullcrap Free Beer, if you were mafia, then you'd have already won! Since it's obvious you're town now, just kill everyone. There's NO ONE to stop you.
Please do this. The game can end quickly if this is possible and done.
major_sephiroth: Neglects to mention his second roleSecond role? You mean the one I actually am? I plan on keeping that quiet.
major_sephiroth: Attempts to negative vote Free Beer while lacking knowledge of his role's power? Halfhearted third FoS. Could be a scumteam or scum trying to draw attention to a townie or an innocent who thought scum or town was innocent. Tells us relatively little. All I know for sure is m_s acts RADICALLY different here from other mafia.
I just realized, if we get to lylo and Pandarsenic is alive and not scum, the scum can just day-kill him and win. Unlike the infinity voter and unlimited voter, this is one I DON'T want alive at lylo. Also, FoS Meph for trying to force everybody into his cute little list. He's trying too hard to keep everybody in his little list. It's fine if the other scum are in that list, but I have this odd feeling only one scum is in that list and Meph is bussing him to make 3 townies suspicious.
I just realized, if we get to lylo and Pandarsenic is alive and not scum, the scum can just day-kill him and win. Unlike the infinity voter and unlimited voter, this is one I DON'T want alive at lylo. Also, FoS Meph for trying to force everybody into his cute little list. He's trying too hard to keep everybody in his little list. It's fine if the other scum are in that list, but I have this odd feeling only one scum is in that list and Meph is bussing him to make 3 townies suspicious.
1: That amounts to little more than "FOS MEPHANSTERAS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE BEING ON THE LIST"
2: You don't want me alive at Lylo UNLIKE the Unlimited/Infinity? Way to go back on everything you said while inciting the Unlimited Vs. Infinity Faceoff, Scum.
3: Your logic about lylo works except for the part where we've already established that I'm basically a null presence. It just means we're at lylo a day sooner.
Also, Meph, care to comment on that your list of suspicious people = my three suspicious people with me added to it?
I refuse to believe so many good players can be so goddamn retarded. I'm not a liability, I'm a null presence; I can be present and I can post analysis like I did, but that's it; I am, effectively, an outside judge; the only reason someone would namekill me is to throw suspicion away from me. I would namekill myself after posting all my analysis to prove a point but I want to force scum to do it.
Also, Meph, care to comment on that your list of suspicious people = my three suspicious people with me added to it?
HI I'M USELESS
IM SORRYHI I'M USELESS
HI YOU'RE USELESS
Also, Mr.Person, if Free Beer seems so scummy to you, why not vote him?
Did I miss something? How does FB have control of lynch?
Confirmed, no. But he does seem the scummiest to me and a few other people, at least.
I am fourth-ing this. Mostly just to call bulls**t on the roleclaim. You did, in fact, vote Toony, I checked. But you can only use unlimited votes once, because it is a guaranteed lynch. And Toony was very well informed about his role during his feud with Diakron. And that feud is why you aren't dead yet. Or are you just big noting yourself to get a reaction? Either way, you can't take us all down, scum.
So yeah, I'm voting Free Beer again.
Once Free Beer says Pandar's role, the deceit I so strongly suspect will be revealed, and town victory will be much closer. This is a hell of a gamble, but it's necessary, you have to understand that.
0 votes mean you didn't vote for me, as I read it....
Free Beer, as it stands, your little plan is nothing more than a drawing in dirt. You may get to vote Pandar, and learn of this unique role, but as it stands, you are the single most suspicious person here, and will get lynched before you can do anything with that information. I'm not the only one who thinks you are scum either, so I call upon the rest of the town:I am suspiscious of him. Thats why I voted him. I didnt think I needed to explain it then but ovell there it is.
If you are suspicious of Free Beer, vote for him.
Want to stop me Free Beer? Then lynch me. Then get lynched the next day. Face it, your plan, no matter how good you think it is, is pathetic, and you have not thought ahead far enough. You can only control the lynch once, and on one person. You are going down Free Beer, make a nice crater.
Mr.Person, Free Beer has done enough suspicious actions, so just voting him is excusable.
When I did this to ToonyMan, he tried to intimidate me into submission, which resulted in the current fiasco. I know firsthand that what you are doing is a very stupid move. I will not allow the same thing to happen again.This proves he was in the middle of it, and he says he egged it on slightly.
Hmm, strange. Free Beer, you being fine with being lynched makes you even more scummy, imo. It's also stupid. Doesn't matter what team you're on, you should at least vote off somebody else. If you're town, you should be ok with lynching somebody else and yourself. If you're scum, you still might be ok with getting lynched, trying to trick everybody into thinking you're town, but you really shouldn't be. I have no idea why you would be ok with getting lynched, but I don't like the fact you are. In any case, Free Beer, you really should vote somebody else off. Doesn't matter if you're the Pandarsenic role for whatever reason you want to be, you should go after and lynch the scum. Period. Anything else is scummy.
I don't think anybody thought you were lying about being the Copycat Voter.
Hmm, strange. Free Beer, you being fine with being lynched makes you even more scummy, imo. It's also stupid. Doesn't matter what team you're on, you should at least vote off somebody else. If you're town, you should be ok with lynching somebody else and yourself. If you're scum, you still might be ok with getting lynched, trying to trick everybody into thinking you're town, but you really shouldn't be. I have no idea why you would be ok with getting lynched, but I don't like the fact you are. In any case, Free Beer, you really should vote somebody else off. Doesn't matter if you're the Pandarsenic role for whatever reason you want to be, you should go after and lynch the scum. Period. Anything else is scummy.
Free Beer, as it stands, your little plan is nothing more than a drawing in dirt. You may get to vote Pandar, and learn of this unique role, but as it stands, you are the single most suspicious person here, and will get lynched before you can do anything with that information. I'm not the only one who thinks you are scum either, so I call upon the rest of the town:
If you are suspicious of Free Beer, vote for him.
Want to stop me Free Beer? Then lynch me. Then get lynched the next day. Face it, your plan, no matter how good you think it is, is pathetic, and you have not thought ahead far enough. You can only control the lynch once, and on one person. You are going down Free Beer, make a nice crater.
Mr.Person, Free Beer has done enough suspicious actions, so just voting him is excusable.
If my vote counted for anything it'd be on Free Beer. :I
Not-edit: Hey webmobile, if the CopyCat Voter copies my role:
1) Does it only happen if I have AT LEAST ONE VOTE on my by that person?
2) Do we say "He's the Copycat Voter" or by saying "He's the weba_ role" for the kill? Can we kill him? Does saying he's the weba role also kill me since we know where he got it from if we share the weba_ kill condition?
Also, once all the letters are revealed, do I die even if nobody says, "OH HEY YOUR ROLE IS WEBA_" just because everyone can see it?
Hmm, strange. Free Beer, you being fine with being lynched makes you even more scummy, imo. It's also stupid. Doesn't matter what team you're on, you should at least vote off somebody else. If you're town, you should be ok with lynching somebody else and yourself. If you're scum, you still might be ok with getting lynched, trying to trick everybody into thinking you're town, but you really shouldn't be. I have no idea why you would be ok with getting lynched, but I don't like the fact you are. In any case, Free Beer, you really should vote somebody else off. Doesn't matter if you're the Pandarsenic role for whatever reason you want to be, you should go after and lynch the scum. Period. Anything else is scummy.
No. FB's excuse for this is quite sound. He claims to not have reasonable evidence, and will therefore not use his copied ability to the full power of lynching whoever he wants. You seemingly not caring who he lynches is more scummy than him not utilizing the ability.
If it weren't for the fact I'm already voting for you, M.P, I'd vote for you.
I cannot answer those questions, since I can neither confirm nor deny that any of those roles actually exist. You can pm me asking about what YOUR role/secondary role does, but I will never answer questions about any other role other than those posted on the main page or that were sent to you.If my vote counted for anything it'd be on Free Beer. :I
Not-edit: Hey webmobile, if the CopyCat Voter copies my role:
1) Does it only happen if I have AT LEAST ONE VOTE on my by that person?
2) Do we say "He's the Copycat Voter" or by saying "He's the weba_ role" for the kill? Can we kill him? Does saying he's the weba role also kill me since we know where he got it from if we share the weba_ kill condition?
Also, once all the letters are revealed, do I die even if nobody says, "OH HEY YOUR ROLE IS WEBA_" just because everyone can see it?
I was talking about the copycat voter, does the copycat voter lose their power if they get a new one? Since WA won't answer that for me, Free Beer has to ask that.
Hmm, strange. Free Beer, you being fine with being lynched makes you even more scummy, imo. It's also stupid. Doesn't matter what team you're on, you should at least vote off somebody else. If you're town, you should be ok with lynching somebody else and yourself. If you're scum, you still might be ok with getting lynched, trying to trick everybody into thinking you're town, but you really shouldn't be. I have no idea why you would be ok with getting lynched, but I don't like the fact you are. In any case, Free Beer, you really should vote somebody else off. Doesn't matter if you're the Pandarsenic role for whatever reason you want to be, you should go after and lynch the scum. Period. Anything else is scummy.
No. FB's excuse for this is quite sound. He claims to not have reasonable evidence, and will therefore not use his copied ability to the full power of lynching whoever he wants. You seemingly not caring who he lynches is more scummy than him not utilizing the ability.
If it weren't for the fact I'm already voting for you, M.P, I'd vote for you.
Woah, woah, woah. Are you trying to say him wanting to get lynched and make us feel guilty about it is more scummy then at least taking a shot at lynching scum? Are you saying it's ok for him to not have any suspicions? You're spouting crap right here, I'm now very certain you are, in fact, scum. However, I'm also certain major_sephiroth is as well. Unvote and vote major_sephiroth. Both of you need to stop spewing this crap that it's ok for Free Beer to just roll over and let himself get lynched.
Besides, I really want to hear who he WOULD super-lynch. We can't do anything if he won't fucking talk.
Free Beer, I suggest you use my analysis and lynch yourself. :D
...
I was joking. I'd prefer for you to make yourself useful, honestly. Rolling over doesn't help anyone but the scum.
Rolling over doesn't help anyone but the scum.
No, us lynching him tomorrow is not assumed (assuming he super-lynches today) and FoS for saying as such. It's highly probable, yes, but it's not assumed. Besides, I really want to hear who he WOULD super-lynch. We can't do anything if he won't fucking talk.
I'm just going to come out and say it: This is kingmaker without a kingmaker. Somebody should run a KM game, btw.
But really. If you're so sure he's scum, then why the hell would you want him to control the lynch? That doesn't make sense. Going by your belief that FB is scum, you're trying to make him lynch a townie. This is exactly why you're scum.
Players:
chaoticjosh
Free BeerToonyMan- Unlimited Voter
Mr.PersonFrelock- Unknown Voter
OrgDiakron- Infinity Voter
Zaithemaster
Mephansteras
RedWarrior0
major_sephiroth
JanusTwoface
Pandarsenic
On the other hand, I think Pandarsenic is town and Free Beer is a really stupid townie or a really stupid scum, so yeah.
Wait...what if Free Beer doesn't actually have any votes today? ToonyMan used his power yesterday, so he'd have 0 votes today. It's possible that Webadict set up the system so that the Copycat voter can't just vote for the Unlimited/Infinity voter after they use their power to get the power.
If that's the case, then he's pulling a gambit and can't actually lynch anyone (which may be why he's been so wishy-washy about it).
On the other hand, I think Pandarsenic is town and Free Beer is a really stupid townie or a really stupid scum, so yeah.
Pot. Kettle. Black. Let's see: your post insults me, votes for me, and is filled to the brim with inconsistencies. You are obviously trying to bait me into using my unlimited votes against you. Such a plan will only work if you are town and I am scum. Since I am town, your plan autofails. So yeah.
Wait...what if Free Beer doesn't actually have any votes today? ToonyMan used his power yesterday, so he'd have 0 votes today. It's possible that Webadict set up the system so that the Copycat voter can't just vote for the Unlimited/Infinity voter after they use their power to get the power.
If that's the case, then he's pulling a gambit and can't actually lynch anyone (which may be why he's been so wishy-washy about it).
If I was scum and I was going to encourage him to super-lynch, I would of done it in the scum-chat. In fact, if I was scum, he would of just lynched a townie and be done with it.
Ok, so you think I'm scum and Free Beer isn't? Why are you voting him then?
Ok, so you think I'm scum and Free Beer isn't? Why are you voting him then?
I'm not. ::)
Wonderful. A sociologist would have a field day.One of those would have a field day on any normal day on the Bay12 forums!
Closer to an oblate spheroid actually, but who's keeping track?And I want major_sephiroth to show up and post today.Different time zones are annoying, aren't they? I'm GMT-10, Australian Eastern Standard Time. Blame the fact the earth is a sphere!
But now it's too late. Maybe it was a better idea to try to get as much information from the town as possible earlier, but now that that hasn't worked, you are (also) trying to distance yourself from Free Beer.
Quote from: JanusTwofaceBut now it's too late. Maybe it was a better idea to try to get as much information from the town as possible earlier, but now that that hasn't worked, you are (also) trying to distance yourself from Free Beer.
You just said that Free Beer's plan of defending yourself (That really was the plan, btw) was stupid, yet in this line you're defending the plan. Also, you aren't trying to defend yourself from Free Beer, it's almost like you've given up and know he won't change his mind. Or were you trying to get him to vote me or major_sephiroth?
- Mr.Person and major_sephiroth are next on my suspicion list (although there might be lurkers that I'm missing)Oh I should have been targeted. I spearheaded the entire campaign against Free Beer, and as such I thought I was going to go down, martyr style. He seems too legitimately remorseful to be scum at this point. And I don't post much, but I still post to defend myself (like this post) or if I have something to say.
Which is one reason why I'm still somewhat suspicious of you. You haven't posted terribly much of content and you aren't being targetted. In addition to reasoning from yesterday (game time).
I'd like to hear from chaoticjosh, JanusTwoface, Mephansteras, RedWarrior0, major_sephiroth, and Org.Yeah, I'm not the negative voter. I know of the negative voter, see early on and my confusion.
The first four because they haven't posted in forever, and the latter two because one of them is obviously the Negative Voter from the recent vote count, yet they both voted me due to "suspicion."
Yeah, sorry Sephy, give me a bit to reread alot of what's been happening, because it honestly looks like you're all going around in a giant circle and my gut's telling me not to be a part of it.
While it's a pitiful excuse for lurking, I'm saying that this discussion is such that it wouldn't be prudent to argue for days at a time. You've been doing it, and I don't see any progress made. It'd be best to just end the day, and THEN argue, which is what I've been waiting for.
This environment isn't conducive to scumhunting, is what I'm trying to say.
Copycat Voter - You gain the power of the person for whom you vote until the following Day.
Vote Amplifier - Each Night, you can choose to amplify someone's vote. If that person does not have 1 vote, they now have an additional vote.
I'mma rage if JanusTwoFace is scum.
What do you mean I didn't vote? I had my vote on Pandar the entire day didn't I? I don't remember unvoting.
WA, did you forget to count my vote again?
You also failed to vote anyone else. Why not? We had three scum at that point, so even if you thought that Free Beer was town you should have at least tried to figure out who the actual scum were and vote for them. The fact that you didn't seems suspicious.Hey it isn't my fault I'm swayed be remorse. I was still against Free Beer, but he seemed too remorseful. I couldn't care if anyone else unvoted. And I have no clue who else might be scum, I've been concentrating on Free Beer.
Your actions and excuse sound more to me like you guys were worried about Free Beer actually getting lynched, so you took your vote off in the hopes of convincing other people to do the same.
So, unless you can convince me otherwise, vote major_sephiroth
You also failed to vote anyone else. Why not? We had three scum at that point, so even if you thought that Free Beer was town you should have at least tried to figure out who the actual scum were and vote for them. The fact that you didn't seems suspicious.Hey it isn't my fault I'm swayed be remorse. I was still against Free Beer, but he seemed too remorseful. I couldn't care if anyone else unvoted. And I have no clue who else might be scum, I've been concentrating on Free Beer.
Your actions and excuse sound more to me like you guys were worried about Free Beer actually getting lynched, so you took your vote off in the hopes of convincing other people to do the same.
So, unless you can convince me otherwise, vote major_sephiroth
You also failed to vote anyone else. Why not? We had three scum at that point, so even if you thought that Free Beer was town you should have at least tried to figure out who the actual scum were and vote for them. The fact that you didn't seems suspicious.Hey it isn't my fault I'm swayed be remorse. I was still against Free Beer, but he seemed too remorseful. I couldn't care if anyone else unvoted. And I have no clue who else might be scum, I've been concentrating on Free Beer.
Your actions and excuse sound more to me like you guys were worried about Free Beer actually getting lynched, so you took your vote off in the hopes of convincing other people to do the same.
So, unless you can convince me otherwise, vote major_sephiroth
Too "remorseful" you say? Is making decisions based on vague emotions a gameplan of yours?
Now looking at the structure of your post, I can DEFINITELY imagine a mafioso writing this. Major_Sephiroth. Although, this hunch is just experience talking.
I'm still wondering what the hell was up with Free Beer. Did he actually have unlimited votes, but was trying to dissuade us? Or did he really have a useless power? His actions don't make sense either way.
Vote Mr.Person to start my day.D
What do you mean I didn't vote? I had my vote on Pandar the entire day didn't I? I don't remember unvoting.Man, I'm just messing up too much...
WA, did you forget to count my vote again?
Meph, if I cared whether Free Beer got lynched, I would never have got people to vote for him.
Hmmmm..
Major Sep. Remorse is a sign of weakness.
Pandarsenic - Pandarsenic special
At this point I think that chaoticjosh, Zaithemaster, Pandarsenic, and yourself are all free of any votes whatsoever. (Of any variety)
I still want to know why you didn't vote yesterday. You've got two votes, why didn't you use them?
Sorry about my "lurking more than Org usually does" attitude for this game. Who doesn't have any votes on them?Hey now. I dont lurk THAT much. Sometimes. >.>
HI YOU'RE USELESSSorry about my "lurking more than Org usually does" attitude for this game. Who doesn't have any votes on them?HI I'M USELESS
STOP THE MADNESSHI YOU'RE USELESSSorry about my "lurking more than Org usually does" attitude for this game. Who doesn't have any votes on them?HI I'M USELESS
I insist it was me feeling like he was truly remorseful. Yeah I was wrong to think it, but I still thought it.Meph, if I cared whether Free Beer got lynched, I would never have got people to vote for him.
Sorry, I don't really buy it. A fake bus is pretty common scum behavior and is characterized by exactly that. Riling up people against your scum-buddy but then unvoting in the hopes of looking town while not actually directly hurting your team.
Had to do it.HI I'M USELESSHI YOU'RE USELESSSorry about my "lurking more than Org usually does" attitude for this game. Who doesn't have any votes on them?HI I'M USELESS
I'm doing this to put pressure on Zai, who seems to like his fingers of suspicion.
Sanctimoniously declaring a certain action to be pithily town makes me unendingly aggravated, as well as suspicious of you.
And yes, I am the Vote Counter. But RW0, I see little reason right now to order a VC. There is little or no dispute right now that you indeed have 2 votes. What Meph was saying in that quote of yours was not that he doubts you have 2 votes (he even says you have 2 votes); he was saying that he wanted to know why someone with multiple votes would not put those votes to use.
You don't want to know if Org has -2 or 0 votes? Seems like it'd make a difference to me.
And why do you think I'm scum?
Yeah, we should keep Org on since as town he can prevent some of the autowins the scum has. As scum, he's not particularly dangerous, although I suppose if he's with the triple voter or the Fibonacci voter, it could be a problem, but then again, who ISN'T a problem with a scum Fibonacci voter or triple voter?
Zai, the 'pressure' was making it so everyone knew you were the vote counter.
Also, hehe, new nemesis! I really have nothing to say against that, except this: If I was scum, why would I have chosen you to motivate?
Free Beer - Copycat VoterToonyMan - Unlimited Voter
Mr.Person - No VoterFrelock - Unknown VoterDiakron - Infinite Voter
Mephansteras - Triple Voter
RedWarrior0 - Double VoterJanusTwoface - Vote Amplifier
Zaithemaster - Vote Counter
chaoticjosh - Fibonacci Voter
Org - Negative Voter
major_sephiroth - Motivator
Wow, Org. Really? You're still not going to address anything? Not even going to try to'liedefend yourself this time? Not even with "lol i'm not scum"? Since both Josh and M_S have come forward with their roles: Why did you use your negative vote on FB TWICE (both Day 1 and 2 at the end of the day)? To try and help your scum buddy out a little?I'm doing this to put pressure on Zai, who seems to like his fingers of suspicion.
I'm not sure I see the alleged pressure being put on me. Care to explain?
And yes, I am the Vote Counter. But RW0, I see little reason right now to order a VC. There is little or no dispute right now that you indeed have 2 votes. What Meph was saying in that quote of yours was not that he doubts you have 2 votes (he even says you have 2 votes); he was saying that he wanted to know why someone with multiple votes would not put those votes to use.
Also, if M_S turns out to not be scum, I currently believe Meph to be the last scum (along with Org).Sanctimoniously declaring a certain action to be pithily town makes me unendingly aggravated, as well as suspicious of you.
I apologize, Josh. I did not mean that revealing yourself was a move only a townie would make, but that not doing so (delaying what is inevitable by the end of the day) seems scummy to me. I see no reason for the FV to not be revealed at the beginning of the day they get their 2nd vote (when it matters to town), as it will be known at the end of that very day, when it matters only to scum.
But maybe one day we'll both be scum. On that day, the universe willexploderejoice.
Alright, I've been slacking off too much.Yeah yeah, I say homework alot. Because I have 2-3 hours of it a day.
I'm almost sure that M_S is scum. Everything about him chides me as scummy. From his faux-towniness, to weak defenses, to the way his posts feel, to the way he insisted that he "didn't know who the scum were" which is an odd statement for a townie to make, if you ask me.
Now, another. I don't like Org, he calls homework, but I call bullshit. Even when attacked, it's like he's not even aware that he's being attacked, and has YET to do anything helpful. It's very odd, and I don't like it.
Mephansteras. To be honest, I'd probably say Meph is the most likely to tbe town. He was the first person to vote Free Beer and challenge his power, which is something that strikes me as something a townie would do. Something's chiding me hard though, and it's making me uncertain.
Mr.Person, he's been confrontational, but I can't help but feel that alot of his arguing is broken.Yeah, we should keep Org on since as town he can prevent some of the autowins the scum has. As scum, he's not particularly dangerous, although I suppose if he's with the triple voter or the Fibonacci voter, it could be a problem, but then again, who ISN'T a problem with a scum Fibonacci voter or triple voter?
Outright assuming that someone is town is a horrifyingly bad idea. Especially since that he could be a negative voter, which would be just as helpful to scum as a regular voter.
If I had to say who the remaining scum were...
M_S
Org
M_S
MP
M_S
Meph (a twist!)
Whens the day going to end?
I'm willing to go out on a limb and say the following:
As with previous Vote Mafias, it is likely that webadict attempted to balance the scum team. If two people have similar powers, I'm willing to bet at least one is scum.
Toward that end, I think at one person in each of the following sets: {Infinity Voter, Unlimited Voter, Double Voter, Triple Voter, Fibonacci Voter}, {Vote Counter, Copycat Voter}, and {No Voter, Vote Amplifier, Motivator, Negative Voter, (whatever Pandarsenic's role is), Unknown Voter} is scum.
The reasoning is simple: With that setup, the mafia gets one information gathering power, one lynch power, and one buddying/"unlikely to be scum" power.
I've got this. who here remember this little thing Free Beer posted?Quote from: Free BeerI'm willing to go out on a limb and say the following:
As with previous Vote Mafias, it is likely that webadict attempted to balance the scum team. If two people have similar powers, I'm willing to bet at least one is scum.
Toward that end, I think at one person in each of the following sets: {Infinity Voter, Unlimited Voter, Double Voter, Triple Voter, Fibonacci Voter}, {Vote Counter, Copycat Voter}, and {No Voter, Vote Amplifier, Motivator, Negative Voter, (whatever Pandarsenic's role is), Unknown Voter} is scum.
The reasoning is simple: With that setup, the mafia gets one information gathering power, one lynch power, and one buddying/"unlikely to be scum" power.
Remember that? Oh, look at this! He paired himself up with the vote counter! What say you, Zaithemaster?
I've got this. who here remember this little thing Free Beer posted?Quote from: Free BeerI'm willing to go out on a limb and say the following:
As with previous Vote Mafias, it is likely that webadict attempted to balance the scum team. If two people have similar powers, I'm willing to bet at least one is scum.
Toward that end, I think at one person in each of the following sets: {Infinity Voter, Unlimited Voter, Double Voter, Triple Voter, Fibonacci Voter}, {Vote Counter, Copycat Voter}, and {No Voter, Vote Amplifier, Motivator, Negative Voter, (whatever Pandarsenic's role is), Unknown Voter} is scum.
The reasoning is simple: With that setup, the mafia gets one information gathering power, one lynch power, and one buddying/"unlikely to be scum" power.
Remember that? Oh, look at this! He paired himself up with the vote counter! What say you, Zaithemaster?
My thinking is, if you're both scum, when one of you died, the other could try and convince the town that the list is true and that makes the living one less suspicious. Of course, he could of known somebody would think that and pair himself up with a townie, but that's WIFOM and I'm not going down that road. Besides, then, by his own logic, if Zai got lynched and turned up town, he'd look super suspicious. No, I don't like it at all.
I still think M.P is scum.
What I don't get is that, since it's WIFOM, why is it being factored as evidence AT ALL? It's superficial evidence, that's why it's called WIFOM, and I don't understand why you're actually using it to make a judgment.
In any case, that alone really isn't enough for me, but what convinced me was what happened right after Free Beer posted that list. Zaithemaster then attacked me for disagreeing with the "truth" of the list.
FoS Mr.Person again for voting for someone based only (apparently) on the fact that they made lists, and being antagonistic about it. But FoS Free Beer at the same time because M.P has a point (the irony, I know), though there's not enough to vote for someone because of it.
HI IM USELESS!HI YOURE USELESS
I try.HI IM USELESS!HI YOURE USELESS
Dun wurry. I was trying to be more like you.I try.HI IM USELESS!HI YOURE USELESS
Hmm...looks like Org didn't get modified at all, and Josh has 4 votes. Did he get both Motivated and Amplified?My bad. I can't count.
So you are grilling me because I am poor at finding scum?
So you are grilling me because I am poor at finding scum?
Motivational Voter - Each Night, you give another player an extra vote for the following Day.
If I lynched Free Beer, if only. I was going to until Diakron opened his mouth.
BUT I FULFILLED MY SECOND GOAL. LYNCHING DIAKRON DAY 1 IS ALWAYS FUN!
:-D
Knew Org. Had suspicions of Meph, but still would've gone after M.P instead, probably.Yep. Come on, guys! Mephansteras is actually a very noticeable scum. Org, on the other hand... I don't know what he was doing...
I'm too lazy to do the math. Had we double-lynched Org and M_S yesterday instead of just M_S, could we have won? ...Wait, yeah. We could have, had all remaining townies with votes (a total of 2 for 3 votes. ;_;) voted for Meph on Day 4. That would have resulted in another double lynch of Meph and whichever townie he chose to kill, and all scum would be dead.
Oh well. Good game all.
It helps that you're the mod Webadict, we don't have complete information like you do.I suppose. Then again, I don't really play games with Mephansteras as scum. Or as a player.
The town could've won if their 2 best power roles didn't nuke each other...