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Dwarf Fortress => DF General Discussion => Topic started by: Devling on May 05, 2011, 06:46:40 pm

Title: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 05, 2011, 06:46:40 pm
So one day me and my bro were arguing about which one was better. I thought that DF kicked minecrafts ass, while my bro thought the opposite. So, I was thinking what are your thoughts? Post and vote in the poll about what you think! Also, no "But it has a mod to do that!" because that's how my bro countered all my arguments. So this is vanilla, no skins or mods, just how you get the game. I'm not posting this in the Minecraft forums 'cause almost everybody would say "What's dwarffortresss?", which would be annoying, to say the least.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Skid on May 05, 2011, 06:47:41 pm
Both are good at what they do and trying to compare them ends in total war.  Such has been the experience for the forums.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: bdunwithat on May 05, 2011, 06:50:11 pm
Firstperson adventure/exploration/sandbox game vs. Top down sandbox/building/sim/management game

Apples to Oranges
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 05, 2011, 06:50:27 pm
Both are good at what they do and trying to compare them ends in total war.  Such has been the experience for the forums.
Yes, that's why I posted this thread. ;)
Muhhahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahah! ehm...
Firstperson adventure/exploration/sandbox game vs. Top down sandbox/building/sim/management game

Apples to Oranges
Dwarf fortress was one of the inspiring factors for minecraft, both are about building, both are in development, both are sandboxes, both are awesome. Besides, the thread isn't about how they are the same or diffrent, just which is better. So go on, compare those damn oranges and apples.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: NW_Kohaku on May 05, 2011, 08:01:18 pm
Didn't we just have this exact same topic a week ago?  And another one the week before that?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Lord Snow on May 05, 2011, 08:13:02 pm
Great thinking to post this here.

If you are lucky, you can derive an inductive proof for Dwarf Fortress Players on THE Dwarf Fortress Forum liking Dwarf Fortress.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on May 05, 2011, 08:20:20 pm
Didn't we just have this exact same topic a week ago?  And another one the week before that?
Yeah, and I think that was the same thread that got derailed into a discussion of awful TV ads somehow.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 05, 2011, 08:20:49 pm
So far, nobody has actually said anything except, A.Sarcasm B.I hate this thread. SRSLY guys, wtf?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on May 05, 2011, 08:24:09 pm
So far, nobody has actually said anything except, A.Sarcasm B.I hate this thread. SRSLY guys, wtf?
That's because

A.
Both are good at what they do and trying to compare them ends in total war.  Such has been the experience for the forums.

B.
Didn't we just have this exact same topic a week ago?  And another one the week before that?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 05, 2011, 08:34:19 pm
I get the point.  >:( So instead of actually trying to compare the games or bring up problems with both games, you just want to say, "Oh, hey guys lets sink this thread with useless posts of "this sucks"!" Really?



P.S. A quote within a quote. (!)
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Jeoshua on May 05, 2011, 08:39:46 pm
You hit a touchy subject, what can I say?

We don't like it when people compare the two games.  The only real similarities they have are their blockiness and focus on building.  Other than that, they're really not comparable in any way.

Plus we get tons of these threads all over the place.  You just don't notice because they're sunk before they turn into a flame war.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Andal on May 05, 2011, 08:42:27 pm
The issue is:

Urist McForumposter cancels discussion: Dead horse already beaten.

But since you are obviously not happy with such answers, I'll throw in my .02 cents: Both games are fun, for different reasons, and I see no reason why anyone should have to pick between one or the other. Video games don't require blind loyalty or exclusivity, when neither requires real-time scheduling for in-game activities.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Capntastic on May 05, 2011, 08:42:40 pm
What do you mean you're not going to put as much effort and thought into re-discussing something that has been talked about to death dozens of times already?  If you're not going to have a proper discussion for his amusement, what's the point of him even posting a redundant. low-content thread?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on May 05, 2011, 08:59:22 pm
I get the point.  >:( So instead of actually trying to compare the games or bring up problems with both games, you just want to say, "Oh, hey guys lets sink this thread with useless posts of "this sucks"!" Really?



P.S. A quote within a quote. (!)
We did compare the games, for several dozen pages worth of posts. In several other threads. And one of them turned into a bit of a flame skirmish before the OP abruptly locked it after a few months. But I see your point, so here's my opinion:

As a gamer, I consider them different games for different moods. Minecraft is a first-person building game that can easily sate my occasional engineering-lust with all sorts of mechanical blocks to screw around with, and spelunking is incredibly fun when you've got a big cavern to explore. DF has a much slower pace, and focuses more on managing simulated outposts (RTS style) and interacting with your randomly generated world. It lacks the instant gratification and accessibility of Minecraft, but makes up for it with an incredibly diverse and detailed world with infinite gameplay possibilities. I enjoy them both, and don't really need to declare one "better" than the other to do so.

As a game designer, Dwarf Fortress is infinitely more fascinating to me. Just observing the complex simulated game world, as well as thinking about the features yet to come, is just as fun as playing the game itself. I just don't get that with Minecraft.

Sorry for shooting you down like that, it's just that threads like this are what give this forum a reputation for calling out any game remotely similar to DF as a "ripoff". Though that's obviously not what you're doing.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Nasikabatrachus on May 05, 2011, 09:20:23 pm
I think they're both great. However, I find that having played both quite a bit, Dwarf Fortress has held my attention for longer. Minecraft just seems emptier after a while. Maybe once there are big increases in the sheer amount of gameplay I'll switch over to Minecraft again. The next update for Minecraft is maps; the next update for DF is whole cities. Wolves? M'kay, whatevs. This is not an objective assessment of course, nor is such possible, and if maps make you cream your pants it's all good with me. It's certainly pretty cool all around.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: JohnieRWilkins on May 05, 2011, 09:51:13 pm
Minecraft is legos. It's actually just legos. There is no purpose to anything, just legos. At least DF will eventually have a world with actors who you will be able to troll into all sorts of reactions.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Richards on May 05, 2011, 10:06:03 pm
Just put a third option, "Both are okay".
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Jeoshua on May 05, 2011, 10:54:28 pm
Fourth option: Better is relative.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Deon on May 05, 2011, 11:00:51 pm
Fifth option: BEEEEEES!

I don't see a reason to compare different games unless they are so similar that it's hard to pick between them. It's probably a personal issue, but whatever.

Great thinking to post this here.

If you are lucky, you can derive an inductive proof for Dwarf Fortress Players on THE Dwarf Fortress Forum liking Dwarf Fortress.
Greetings, Cpt. Obvious! ;D
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Itsapaul on May 05, 2011, 11:02:35 pm
I play both, but comparing which is better is like comparing CoD with Mass Effect 2 or something.  They do their different things quite well.  I personally prefer DF since it's MUCH easier to get cool "looking" stuff done without wasting all my time, but really there's not the same genre so you can't really say one's better.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Zorromorph on May 05, 2011, 11:11:48 pm
Quote
the thread isn't about how they are the same or diffrent, just which is better.

The problem with this is, some things aren't better or worse, they are just different(as in this case).  It's like asking if an RPG is better than an RTS or if a TBS is better than either.  Or if horror movies are better than dramas, or perhaps action movies are better than either. 

Each of these is simply different.  One is not better than the other.  Comparing games only makes sense if they are in the same genre.  When they are different genres, which one you like more is usually going to say more about the person than the game itself -- that's just the way it is. 
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Organum on May 06, 2011, 03:51:53 am
Ugh who would even like Dwarf Fortress, I mean in Minecraft you can use the grind the bones of your enemies into a dust that magically grows trees instantaneously, it's like, if I want a magical pretty forest paradise I can build it right NOW.

And in DF, it's like, I can't even have one of those? At least the trees are magma proof, but all the bunnies die. :'(

(Is this the sort of argument you're looking for? It's been said before, but we don't need any more threads on this topic...or probably any posts denying the need for threads like this. Hm.)
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: sweitx on May 06, 2011, 10:27:11 am
Two different game.  As a matter of fact, two completely different genre.
Minecraft is a FPS/Adventure game.
Dwarf Fortress is a TBS/City-building/RPG game.
The only commonality is that both have procedurally generated world and involve some entity that can dig, build, and apply horrible horrible trap against their enemies.
Minecraft: Mob spawn towers.
Dwarf Fortress: Mermaid bone factory.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Shook on May 06, 2011, 11:18:06 am
Neither is better than the other if you ask me, they both have their own niche, and i'm a fan of both. The crucial difference? In Minecraft, you build, kill and get killed. In DF, you lord over dorfs that all do this (and have better magma physics). Although i really enjoy the level of detail in DF, i sometimes wish i could take on the world from a Minecraft perspective, and vice versa. I swear, if these two games ever had a bastard child, i would forget that i'm a man and shriek so loudly in joy that the government comes checking for aliens. And it would be WORTH IT. I'm slightly inclined to prefer DF over Minecraft right now though, since it's free. :P (the learning curve is more like a learning wall though)

TL;DR: both games have qualities that the other doesn't
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Tlc2011 on May 06, 2011, 08:33:14 pm
Minecraft is based off of DF, end of story.

I am saying this because i play it. Since the alpha.

And before the Infdev.

And before the Indev.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Ethicalfive on May 07, 2011, 02:01:02 am
Guess it depends, do you want substance in a game and are happy with no graphical stimulation?, or are you happy to provide all the substance yourself and require graphical stimulation?

If you picked a game with substance, then go with DF. Otherwise, MC is the sandboxing utopia for you! Of course some like abit of this and abit of that, so some people are going to play some of both.

I love DF all the way, i'm well and truely done with shallow, glamour games with no personality, played them all, DF continues to bring new depths and concepts that mainstream gaming does not. Plus there are a couple of real champions in the modding forum bringing in visual stimulation that is really first rate for the limited graphics capabilities they have to work with.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: PCpaste on May 07, 2011, 02:37:47 am
They're both great.

Minecraft: You dig an epic subterranian fortress for yourself, and you survive all alone, plus, there are no set goals, and you can build all you want and nobody will penalize you in any way.

Dwarf Fortress: You dig an epic subterranian fortress for a bunch of dwarves, and you struggle to make them thrive, plus, there are no set goals, and you can build all you want and nobody will penalize you in any way.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: FrankMcFuzz on May 07, 2011, 03:21:04 am
In Minecraft, you can build a massive tower that reaches to the sky and back.

In Dwarf Fortress, you can throw cats off it.

/thread
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Asmageddon on May 07, 2011, 03:32:40 am
Next time let's compare fridges and heaters. This thread is stupid. They're absolutely different kinds of games.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: MonkeyHead on May 07, 2011, 03:39:16 am
(http://cdn.hometheaterforum.com/6/67/6745ed24_Beating_a_dead_horse.jpg)
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Dutchling on May 07, 2011, 08:17:19 am
I love minecraft, wanna know why? The MC forum brought me here ^^
Actually, I love Starcraft II, because that forum linked me to MineCraft once...
And this forum has a thread about Terraria. I should really look at the Terraria forum for some new games :)
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: PCpaste on May 07, 2011, 09:04:01 am
Yeah, minecraft brought me here as well.

It was part of its inspiration.

EDIT: I mean, Dwarf Fortress was part of Minecraft's inspiration. Sorry for any confusion there...
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Vandersleld on May 07, 2011, 02:02:09 pm
(http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/RaulMonkey/Animated/beating-a-dead-horse.gif)

But anyways...

Minecraft:
Developer releases an update, primarily containing trainable wolves and a few minor equipment modifications. These features had been announced a few weeks in advance. Minecraft-playing friends go nuts over the ability to train wolves and, you know, stuff!

Dwarf Fortress:
Developer releases an update, ostensibly as a bugfix. Update also contains badgers. Insanity ensues.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Asmageddon on May 07, 2011, 03:07:59 pm
You mean:
Update:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Bugfixes:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Reactions:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Are you trying to say
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: jmancube on May 07, 2011, 03:42:49 pm
Difficult to compare the games to come to a conclusion which is superior. However, based solely on it's longevity and sense of fun, Dwarf Fortress. Minecraft's fun, but I get bored of it pretty quickly. Dwarf Fortress I have been playing on and off again for over a year or two for probably hundreds of hours and it's still lots of fun (and Fun :) ). Plus I love the dwarf fort community so much more. I tend to (probably unfairly) view their community with a negative aspect cause they seem to do nothing but whine...
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on May 07, 2011, 04:23:50 pm
Both are good at what they do and trying to compare them ends in total war.  Such has been the experience for the forums.
Firstperson adventure/exploration/sandbox game vs. Top down sandbox/building/sim/management game

Apples to Oranges
We don't like it when people compare the two games.  The only real similarities they have are their blockiness and focus on building.  Other than that, they're really not comparable in any way.
But since you are obviously not happy with such answers, I'll throw in my .02 cents: Both games are fun, for different reasons, and I see no reason why anyone should have to pick between one or the other. Video games don't require blind loyalty or exclusivity, when neither requires real-time scheduling for in-game activities.
I enjoy them both, and don't really need to declare one "better" than the other to do so.
Fourth option: Better is relative.
I play both, but comparing which is better is like comparing CoD with Mass Effect 2 or something.
Two different game.  As a matter of fact, two completely different genre.
Minecraft is a FPS/Adventure game.
Dwarf Fortress is a TBS/City-building/RPG game.
Next time let's compare fridges and heaters. This thread is stupid. They're absolutely different kinds of games.

tl;dr
These two games have absolutely nothing in common and it's been discussed to death, STOP TRYING TO COMPARE THEM.

Can we end the discussion and never speak of this again now?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 11, 2011, 05:54:01 pm
Both are good at what they do and trying to compare them ends in total war.  Such has been the experience for the forums.
Firstperson adventure/exploration/sandbox game vs. Top down sandbox/building/sim/management game

Apples to Oranges
We don't like it when people compare the two games.  The only real similarities they have are their blockiness and focus on building.  Other than that, they're really not comparable in any way.
But since you are obviously not happy with such answers, I'll throw in my .02 cents: Both games are fun, for different reasons, and I see no reason why anyone should have to pick between one or the other. Video games don't require blind loyalty or exclusivity, when neither requires real-time scheduling for in-game activities.
I enjoy them both, and don't really need to declare one "better" than the other to do so.
Fourth option: Better is relative.
I play both, but comparing which is better is like comparing CoD with Mass Effect 2 or something.
Two different game.  As a matter of fact, two completely different genre.
Minecraft is a FPS/Adventure game.
Dwarf Fortress is a TBS/City-building/RPG game.
Next time let's compare fridges and heaters. This thread is stupid. They're absolutely different kinds of games.

tl;dr
These two games have absolutely nothing in common and it's been discussed to death, STOP TRYING TO COMPARE THEM.

Can we end the discussion and never speak of this again now?
I think it's funny that this thread is kept alive by people complaining about it.  :o
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: darkrider2 on May 11, 2011, 06:34:15 pm
shhhh. maybe no one will notice.

More seriously. my brother has this game. He was telling me about how if a pig gets hit by lightning it becomes a undead zombie pig or something, to which I said, magma can fix that.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Cruxador on May 11, 2011, 07:40:10 pm
I think it's funny that this thread is kept alive by people complaining about it.  :o
It's because SMF doesn't have an option to not bump. I'm sure if it did have that option, people would use it.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Megaman on May 11, 2011, 07:49:24 pm
You come here on this forum, and you ask this question?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: metime00 on May 11, 2011, 07:51:11 pm
I think it's funny that this thread is kept alive by people complaining about it.  :o

I hate the meta, all it does is perpetuate this god awful thread :P
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: kaenneth on May 11, 2011, 08:41:03 pm
I think it's funny that this thread is kept alive by people complaining about it.  :o

I hate the meta, all it does is perpetuate this god awful thread :P

I hate people complaining about the meta, all it does is perpetuate this god awful thread :P
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 11, 2011, 08:58:47 pm
I think it's funny that this thread is kept alive by people complaining about it.  :o

I hate the meta, all it does is perpetuate this god awful thread :P

I hate people complaining about the meta, all it does is perpetuate this god awful thread :P
I'm oddly proud that a thread I made was called god awful. Seriously, someone resorted to blasphomey to describe my thread, :P
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on May 11, 2011, 10:03:06 pm
I think it's funny that this thread is kept alive by people complaining about it.  :o
That post was kind of meant to end the discussion, and the thread didn't come back to life until you inexplicably responded to it.

But now we're stuck in an endless cycle of self-reference, meaning that this thread WILL NEVER DIE OH GOD
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Yolan on May 12, 2011, 06:40:45 am
Hehe. I once made a thread on rec.games.computer.ultima.dragon when I was a teenager, and it kept going for years.

http://everything2.com/title/The+Never+Ending+Thread

Yeah, I'm Dantec dragon.  :D
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: PCpaste on May 12, 2011, 11:10:33 am
...

...

ಠ_ಠ

Why is this thread still here? I thought it was established that either they're both great, or you can't compare them...
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on May 12, 2011, 09:44:30 pm
...

...

ಠ_ಠ

Why is this thread still here? I thought it was established that either they're both great, or you can't compare them...
Jeez guys, just follow my example and don't post in this thread!

...

...DAMMIT IT'S NOT GOING TO EEEEEENNNND
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: jockmo42 on May 13, 2011, 02:55:06 pm
It's not that big of a deal. If everyone wants to come in and say what game they like more and why, they're allowed to. It doesn't matter how asinine the act of comparing two completely separate games is.

Fun fact: Minecraft was only inspired by DF in-part. The other two games I recall were Rollercoaster Tycoon, and Infiniminer, with infiniminer being one of the deciding factors in Notch going with a first-person creation game instead of a more graphical but simple DF-like game.

In other words, you guys might as well be comparing Minecraft to RCT, and it'd be a more valid comparison to put it up against Infiniminer, which is much closer to Minecraft in some styles than DF but still a very different game.

The truth is that both games offer creative and logical outlets in different ways that often appeal to different types of people. If you can reduce your expectations in some ways for one game, they can be met in many new ways in the other game. I play both very often. They're both bloody genius and I'm really excited to see where they're both going. People make the most half-assed judgments about both games and both developers and it's just dumbfounding to see what kind of misinformation people are willing to propagate without making sure they're telling the whole story.

You don't have to like both games, but no one should abstain from giving one of them a real try over some awfully-misplaced sense of competition between the two. Notch loves Tarn Adams for his work on DF (he has said this himself) and he isn't even trying to make a game like DF. Minecraft is its own creation with its own merits. So is DF. Stop comparing them competitively.

And to the people who won't even give Minecraft a real shot, don't be afraid of something just because it appeals to a large group of people or looks simple on the surface. There are aspects of Minecraft that will surprise you if you put a little effort into finding them.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: slathazer on May 13, 2011, 06:48:32 pm
Minecraft is much more casual and fun to play. Dwarf Fortress is much more hardcore and rewarding. I am lazy and play Minecraft much more, but that's mainly because I have no discipline with the games I play...
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: piecewise on May 13, 2011, 08:04:04 pm
Minecraft and DF have...nothing to do with each other, beyond the very very loose connection that you make things. I mean, you're better comparing sim city to df then minecraft.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Alkhemia on May 13, 2011, 09:17:45 pm
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/arakuneflowchart.gif/sr=1 (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/89/arakuneflowchart.gif/sr=1)   BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS



Sorry...there both good games
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: SheepishOne on May 14, 2011, 12:49:49 am
Both great games in their own right. Dwarf Fortress stands alone. It's so impressive you cannot describe it all in a sentence. I don't know how to describe all the advances in egalitarian shifts to occupation specialization, psychology of NPC's, community development, emulated physics, mechanisms, entirely random and personal histories, languages, lands, and worlds. It's just sexy. I'm an anthropologist and nearly orgasm every time I have my dwarves throw their ancestors off their green glass lighthouse so their wooden coffins can carry them into the ocean. Maybe TMI.

Minecraft was inspired by DF, but has forged significantly ahead in the economic sector. I'm sure Toady has no issues with it existing other than hoping people donate more to DF so they can keep him alive. However, he SHOULD be charging for DF. It's admirable he isn't, but he should take note. The money minecraft has raked in is promising. We're talking about a non-advertised, independently released BETA that's made over 30 million USD. That is gross mind you; paypal and taxes are hefty but who really cares at that point. The last time I remember a game doing something profitable without advertising was Deer Hunter (late 90's?).

DF would need some tooling. An integrated season-play game mode. Multiple official tilesets, yada yada. Overall polish that doesn't interest the rest of us hardcore. However if an incomplete Beta can make 30 million, what do you think Toady's alpha can garner? Especially with "The Game that inspired Minecraft" as its tagline.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: tomas1297 on May 14, 2011, 01:01:27 am
 Make the same thread on the Minecraft forum.
 10$ says Minecraft will win. We're on the DF forum for gods sake. If someone likes Minecraft more, they belong on the Minecraft forum.  ::)
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Bdthemag on May 14, 2011, 01:05:07 am
Its like comparing apples and oranges, like if Dwarf Fortress was the perfectly clean apple and Minecraft was the half eaten orange.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Angel Of Death on May 14, 2011, 01:11:33 am
Make the same thread on the Minecraft forum.
 10$ says Minecraft will win. We're on the DF forum for gods sake. If someone likes Minecraft more, they belong on the Minecraft forum.  ::)
I think someone did a few years ago.

Minecraft won by a few points.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 14, 2011, 07:43:58 pm
Make the same thread on the Minecraft forum.
 10$ says Minecraft will win. We're on the DF forum for gods sake. If someone likes Minecraft more, they belong on the Minecraft forum.  ::)
Challenge accepted. BAM! http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=350767&p=4826883#p4826883
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Cruxador on May 15, 2011, 04:00:21 am
Make the same thread on the Minecraft forum.
 10$ says Minecraft will win. We're on the DF forum for gods sake. If someone likes Minecraft more, they belong on the Minecraft forum.  ::)
Challenge accepted. BAM! http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=350767&p=4826883#p4826883
There's no poll there. The comparison will be imperfect.
But both the people who have posted so far have been in in DF's favor.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 16, 2011, 09:40:23 pm
Make the same thread on the Minecraft forum.
 10$ says Minecraft will win. We're on the DF forum for gods sake. If someone likes Minecraft more, they belong on the Minecraft forum.  ::)
Challenge accepted. BAM! http://www.minecraftforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=350767&p=4826883#p4826883
There's no poll there. The comparison will be imperfect.
But both the people who have posted so far have been in in DF's favor.
Yes, but I could count the posts and people in minecrafts/dwarf fortresses favor.  :o
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: jester on May 16, 2011, 09:49:30 pm
Other problem is only people who have played DF are really going to be able to post, and the degree of difficulty on minecraft is slightly differnt to DF
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 16, 2011, 09:54:11 pm
Other problem is only people who have played DF are really going to be able to post, and the degree of difficulty on minecraft is slightly differnt to DF
Wait, how are those problems? Some people like challenge.
although challenge might not be the word
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Chunes on May 17, 2011, 01:25:56 am
Resource acquisition in Minecraft is about as interesting as watching paint dry. In DF, I can assign 10 guys to do it and use designations that will keep them busy for months.

This factor alone thrusts DF into the stratosphere while Minecraft is trying to get airborne.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Devling on May 17, 2011, 10:07:59 pm
I find it funny that the people over at minecraft are comparing the game more and shutting down people who say, "to diffrent, can't compare".
In the words of Simpa over at the minecraft forums.
But their not being compared. Your not saying "This is better with dwarf fortress, this with minecraft". Just simply which is better. More entertaining and long lasting.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: jmancube on May 29, 2011, 10:40:46 pm
Can you commit mass acts of murdering elves in Minecraft to make fine crafts out of their skins and bones? How about using kittens as a source of food? And is there any booze in Minecraft? I thought not. I rest my case....
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: tolkafox on May 29, 2011, 11:38:09 pm
Not another one.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: BronzeElemental on May 30, 2011, 08:04:02 am
Dwarf Fortress.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Dutchling on May 30, 2011, 10:34:57 am
goblin camp !!!11
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Stoup on May 30, 2011, 02:58:39 pm
I think if one were to try and get a thread like this by they should compare specific aspects of each game, and determine from a culmination of the results which is better overall.

For instance, I personally feel that Dwarf Fortress's geography frankly floors Minecraft's. Volcanoes, proper mountain ranges, swamps and deserts abound logically. Weather systems and volcanic activity combine to create logical, sensible and maneuverable terrain.

In Minecraft, however, everything is random. You could walk in a desert one moment and, for no discernable reason, a tundra the next. I blame this on Minecraft's infinite mapping system... and in fact believe that if Notch were to have focused on making huge, limited maps as opposed to infinite maps things would be a LOT more interesting in Minecraft. Sensible terrain generation can only be acquired if the world in which the terrain is generated is, itself, sensible.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Spish on May 30, 2011, 03:34:28 pm
I wouldn't call myself biased on the matter of Minecraft vs. Dwarf Fortress, being one of the folks who paid for it. But my opinion comes down to this simple philosophy:

If Dwarf Fortress in its current state had the same 3D perspective, gameplay orientation, etc. as Minecraft, it would be better in literally every conceivable way. Everything MC does, DF does better.

Although I admit the music in Minecraft is pretty nice. And I have a soft spot for the floating islands theme (which could never work with DF physics)
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: darkrider2 on May 30, 2011, 04:10:55 pm
DF has a harder learning curve, its omnipotent and not first person, and its its layered 3D and not full 3D.

So if you were to ask me I would say minecraft is more accessible to people than Dwarf Fortress, even with the fee to buy it.

But really, this is like comparing The Sims to Second Life, and doesn't need as much discussion as it gets.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: UberNube on May 30, 2011, 04:58:37 pm
They are definitely too different to make a simple, universally applicable comparison, however people can still have an opinion. For example, I prefer oranges to apples, but there is no objective way to show that oranges are better.

Anyway, I've got both (paid for minecraft) and I enjoy them both, but I have to say I think DF is a much more satisfying and enjoyable game overall. In single player mode DF wins hands-down. Frankly I can't think of a single aspect of single player minecraft I prefer over DF, including the graphics since 3D graphics on that scale lag my laptop.

Multiplayer is the one redeeming feature of minecraft, but the community more than ruins that. Constant cries of "OMG GREEFERZ GONNA BLOW UP MAH CITIEZ!!!" all over the forums/in-game chat just get tiresome. I've found a couple of good free-for-all PVP servers, but even those get boring after a while. I've been playing minecraft during exams because it's easier to only play for an hour or two then quit, but now that exams are over I think I'll be playing DF 95% of the time. Fortunately the learning curve of DF keeps the more immature players out (read: 90% of the MC community).

Oh, and minecraft also costs money, and hence the developers are running it for profit rather for the players (yes, there is a huge difference). I plan on donating considerably more to Toady than I paid for minecraft.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: tolkafox on May 31, 2011, 01:25:12 pm
I wouldn't call myself biased on the matter of Minecraft vs. Dwarf Fortress, being one of the folks who paid for it. But my opinion comes down to this simple philosophy:

If Dwarf Fortress in its current state had the same 3D perspective, gameplay orientation, etc. as Minecraft, it would be better in literally every conceivable way. Everything MC does, DF does better.

Although I admit the music in Minecraft is pretty nice. And I have a soft spot for the floating islands theme (which could never work with DF physics)

[CAVEINS:NO]?

I couldn't resist making Laputa. Next fortress I'll find a large sky and make it more realistic.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Montague on May 31, 2011, 10:59:51 pm
The real question is: Which is better, Dwarf Fortress, Minecraft or Call of Duty 4?

Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Angel Of Death on May 31, 2011, 11:16:05 pm
The real question is: Which is better, Dwarf Fortress, Minecraft or Call of Duty 4?
Dwarf Fortress. Minecraft is good, but CoD 4 is pretty crap.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on May 31, 2011, 11:54:28 pm
LOL GUYS I GOT ONE:

Dwarf Fortress   VS.   Star Wars (The Original Trilogy)   VS.   Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons"
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: tolkafox on June 01, 2011, 12:37:11 am
Dwarf Fortress VS. Predator

Who will win?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Asmageddon on June 01, 2011, 03:25:29 am
Dwarf Fortress vs Predator
Alien vs Minecraft
And finally: Alien vs Predator
Go! Let the tournament commence!
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Darvi on June 01, 2011, 04:03:41 am
Dwarf Fortress vs Capcom? Have we already done that?
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Gatleos on June 01, 2011, 04:11:55 am
Dwarf Fortress vs Capcom? Have we already done that?
Capcom: every major Capcom character.
Dwarf Fortress: every single living being throughout the history of a theoretically infinite amount of generated worlds.

I think the odds are a bit stacked in this fight.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: darkrider2 on June 01, 2011, 06:05:57 am
DF vs Capcom?

The fluffy wamblers are overpowered in that game.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: ZeroGravitas on June 01, 2011, 07:47:29 am
B.
Didn't we just have this exact same topic a week ago?  And another one the week before that?

WELCOME TO DF FORUMS
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: tolkafox on June 01, 2011, 02:49:53 pm
B.
Didn't we just have this exact same topic a week ago?  And another one the week before that?

WELCOME TO DF FORUMS

Didn't the one last week get trolled? And the one before that?

Minecraft would be awesome if it wasn't such a pain to move around and build everything. I'm lazy, I want to supervise people who will build my house for me while I sit at my *marble table* on my *marble throne* and eat my *plump helmet rost* whilst drinking *Dwarven wine* and admiring my *gold statue* that has 5 different gems and 20 different animal bones added to it.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: Umi on June 01, 2011, 02:54:40 pm
No, they weren't trolled.  Pointing out that apples aren't oranges and you can't really compare the two is NOT trolling.  Even if you disagree and think they can be compared, it is still an opinion either way.

As for my opinion, DF is undoubtedly better made from a technical standpoint and I probably enjoy it more when I can work up the gumption to sit down and actually play it.  But, I play Minecraft a fair bit more.  It is a lot easier to play overall, were Toady to focus on making the interface easier to use and making it more accessible then I would play it more.  I know it isn't a popular request though, so I don't have my hopes up.  I CAN play it as is, but it just isn't worth the extra hassle to me yet.
Title: Re: Dwarf Fortress VS. Minecraft
Post by: dwarfhoplite on June 18, 2011, 03:28:12 pm
i saw similar thread on mc forums and there half of the people were like " i like minecraft more because i haven't played DF and  anyway DF sucks because i dont know it"