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Title: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on June 24, 2021, 01:44:42 pm
I am just curious, and sorry if this has been discussed before. I looked around the web and there seems to be no such discourse.

What I want to know is the type of creature, of any kind, that can be found in vanilla DF, that has the lowest chance of encountering.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Thisfox on June 24, 2021, 03:26:45 pm
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on June 24, 2021, 01:44:42 pm
I am just curious, and sorry if this has been discussed before. I looked around the web and there seems to be no such discourse.

What I want to know is the type of creature, of any kind, that can be found in vanilla DF, that has the lowest chance of encountering.

Dragons? I only find them if I go to specific locations and really do a multi-reload search.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: voliol on June 24, 2021, 03:37:52 pm
Good question. Gabbro men, iron men, mud men, blood men, amethyst men, magma men, fire men, yetis, sasquatches and frill sharks all have a ”frequency” value of 1, the lowest possible in the game. That value is weighted against the frequency of other creatures in the same biome though, so magma men and fire men (and yetis) found in biomes with few other creatures are still comparatively common creatures. For the rest of the elemental ”men”, the caverns are filled with all sorts of other monsters, but the spawn rates are high and they are available no matter where the player embarked, so sooner or later they will be encountered.

In conclusion, the rarest creature is (probably) either the sasquatch (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Sasquatch) or the frill shark (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Frill_shark). The sasquatch is found in forests, the most biologically diverse of biomes, while the frill shark is found in oceans where non-vermin creatures are rare as is.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: NJW2000 on June 24, 2021, 04:39:44 pm
I'd like to note that for some reason, Sasquatches turn up in elven territories a great deal, as war animals or similar. Not sure if this still applies to the current version, but I had one adventurer encounter dozens. So civilisations can influence the rarity of actually encountering the thing.

Megabeast and semi-megabeast rarity can be controlled by the player, so that varies.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Thisfox on June 24, 2021, 10:45:25 pm
That does make me even more impressed that the humans keep providing me with annual frill shark leather. I guess it's an endangered species, perhaps I shouldn't be encouraging them by buying it.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PatrikLundell on June 25, 2021, 02:52:28 am
@vcd14: Cave dragons aren't that rare, so Thisfox must have meant the megabeasts (there's nothing "semi" about them). I've been attacked by them only a handful of times over a fair number of years, and while you can control megabeast rates to some extent, they'll severely cut down on civilization if you try to push it (and I try to get as many megabeasts as possible while still having thriving civs, scrapping many worlds that were broken in the search for "balanced" ones).

Given how dwarven economy (doesn't) work, I'd say no shark where hurt in the production of imported frill shark leather...

The rarest creatures, though, would be the Titans, FBs, and demonic overlords, as each creature is unique.

In terms of numbers, I'd expect some experimental creatures may well be unique as well (necros CAN mass produce them, but I image there might be cases where only a single one was ever produced).

In terms of sightings, I'd guess it would be various sea monsters, although it depends on where you embark.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on June 25, 2021, 06:25:21 am
Good answers overrall.

But the necro'ed creatures make the most sense, since they have infinite variety. A reanimated lynx man skin/fur would be very, very rare.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PatrikLundell on June 25, 2021, 11:32:52 am
Now you're shifting the focus from the creatures to products acquired from the creatures, and that's different.

It's surprisingly common to find clothing made out of hide from sapient creatures, both on visitors and on goblin invaders. However, DF allows butchering of reanimated creatures only if the creature whose corpse was reanimated can be butchered, and dwarves aren't allowed to butcher sapients, so any products from reanimated former sapients can only come from "natural" butchering, such as e.g. a severed arm providing bones that dorfs happily use for crafting (if the arm came from a zombie, but not if it came from the base creature), but I'm not aware of anything flaying undead (or live creatures, for that matter), providing a skin.
In my current fortress I've been invaded by sapient experiments as part of necro armies, as well as received clothing made out if their skin (may be from necros of from the gobbos).
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Salmeuk on June 25, 2021, 12:21:28 pm
A while back I was experimenting with this sort of thing, and I modified the raws to give a completely level spawn rate for every creature. This did not work as expected since (iirc?) the creatures would pull based off of total population values, so a more fecund species (looking at you, Giant Mosquitos) will still be weighted highly. I solved this by just deleting all the insects and attempting to even out the birth rates for remaining species.

Oh, and I made it so every species could spawn in every biome. The results were spectacular. I saw creatures I didn't even know were in the game! All sorts of weird creatures like flying squirrels and whatnot. After this, I realized that like %80 of the creatures in the raws are literally never encountered in regular gameplay, due to the aformentioned issues w/ spawn weighting. This also made me sad because these creatures are really quite awesome, and my dreams of creating a zoo containing a variety of creatures is less enticing when I know I will literally never see certain creatures, despite their existence in the world and their habitation of my chosen biome.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Mobbstar on June 25, 2021, 04:18:10 pm
The rarest creature to be encountered may be Minotaurs, because they go extinct almost immediately in regular worlds. This is, to my knowledge, because they are puny compared to other (semi-)megabeasts and even ordinary livestock, but still go out to do megabeast stuff in worldgen, where the first town or adventurer to battle with them promptly grinds their bones into porridge.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on June 25, 2021, 06:06:18 pm
From my personal experience? I still have yet to encounter most of the non-procgen, non-(semi)megabeast fanciful creatures in their natural environment. To name just a few examples: I haven't seen a single unicorn, satyr, harpy, yeti, or nightwing yet in any of my dozens of worlds.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: FantasticDorf on June 25, 2021, 06:52:10 pm
In my opinion, Giant Toads (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Giant_toad) are the absolute rarest intentional mundane creature (as in the giant-animal form of toads distinct from cave toads) because murky pools aren't egible in size to be part off-map features egible for spawning in off the sides directly, nor are giant toads that are "technically" there encouraged to congregate onto the player's tile with that biome.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Salmeuk on June 25, 2021, 07:49:02 pm
Quote from: PlumpHelmetMan on June 25, 2021, 06:06:18 pm
From my personal experience? I still have yet to encounter most of the non-procgen, non-(semi)megabeast fanciful creatures in their natural environment. To name just a few examples: I haven't seen a single unicorn, satyr, harpy, yeti, or nightwing yet in any of my dozens of worlds.

harpies are easy to come by, just embark in a evil mountain biome and they are top of the pop lists. Same w/ yetis - embark on evil (?) glacier and you're bound to encounter one.

I will agree with the rest, but I think I've seen unicorns once?

Now, dark gnomes, mountain gnomes gremlins are both pretty rare, and have special features re: boozethieving and lever pulling, respectively. cool creatures that I wish I saw more

Creatures I LITERALLY never saw until I modded the game to even pop distribution:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And a large number of the other aquatic creatures, though I have seen a Great White Shark and that was pretty cool.

Things I wish I never saw:
Echidna (undead variety)
Kea

Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Thisfox on June 25, 2021, 07:52:34 pm
It's all anecdotal, but for some reason I've seen a LOT of unicorns, and am surprised to see them on that list.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Mohreb el Yasim on June 30, 2021, 09:23:58 am
Quote from: Thisfox on June 25, 2021, 07:52:34 pm
It's all anecdotal, but for some reason I've seen a LOT of unicorns, and am surprised to see them on that list.
unicorns live in good biomes, so if you go there andhe does not, it explains why.
what is the rarest might depend on how you generate your world too .... (only warm regions, you can end up with 0 penguins for example)
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Eric Blank on June 30, 2021, 05:08:15 pm
Purring maggots. Very, very rarely do I see any. Way back before the caverns were added you could find them in any site with a chasm or cave river.

But as far as large beasts go, cave dragons. Extremely rare to see any of those, too.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Laterigrade on July 01, 2021, 04:43:48 am
I was just introduced to the existence of flesh balls (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Flesh_ball), and I think they might win the prize because I, at least, have never, ever, seen one or even heard tell of their existence, either in community forts (of which I’ve read many), or elsewhere, up ‘til now.

Whereas I may never have seen a unicorn or a purring maggot or some of the ‘mineral men’, but I’ve definitely heard about them and heard stories with them there.
This is anecdotal, though, and your mileage definitely varies.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 04:48:43 am
Quote from: PatrikLundell on June 25, 2021, 11:32:52 am
Now you're shifting the focus from the creatures to products acquired from the creatures, and that's different.

Hmmm, I suppose we are looking for unique creatures, not produced variations.

Wait, reanimated body parts count as byproducts? They do become things of their own units once reanimated as undead, as far as I am aware.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: FantasticDorf on July 01, 2021, 05:48:48 am
Quote from: Laterigrade on July 01, 2021, 04:43:48 am
I was just introduced to the existence of flesh balls (https://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Flesh_ball), and I think they might win the prize because I, at least, have never, ever, seen one or even heard tell of their existence, either in community forts (of which I’ve read many), or elsewhere, up ‘til now.

Whereas I may never have seen a unicorn or a purring maggot or some of the ‘mineral men’, but I’ve definitely heard about them and heard stories with them there.
This is anecdotal, though, and your mileage definitely varies.

Seen flesh balls, im not afraid of water caverns which the balls get caught up on because they are hilariously bad at swimming. I just go about it like a elf and create a mushroom-top society because thats pretty much the only way you can propogate horizontally across that area without doing more water-engineering to create a dam. Least enough to block-bridge to the nearest solid rock formation so i can start digging past it.

Its a pity, flesh balls theoretically can be used in traps by forecfully puncturing them with upright spears & drops in which to exude the gas inside so a tightly packed room of goblins is sent soundly to sleep before dwarves run in, take off helmets and club them to death.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 05:37:20 pm
Quote from: vcd14 on July 01, 2021, 06:45:03 am
I believe purring maggots are broken in a way that they don't appear at all, I've never seen them, despite the wiki claiming they appear at cavern layers 2-3, during all seasons. But I have never seen them. From what I hear they used to be common in the 2D version.

Wait, so no way of producing dwarven milk?
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Eric Blank on July 02, 2021, 10:59:18 pm
I had been wondering if that were the case. You can use flocks of turkeys or pigs to root up vermin for animal trappers to catch, that might be the best way to search for them.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: FantasticDorf on July 03, 2021, 05:58:10 am
Quote from: Eric Blank on July 02, 2021, 10:59:18 pm
I had been wondering if that were the case. You can use flocks of turkeys or pigs to root up vermin for animal trappers to catch, that might be the best way to search for them.

It'd need [VERMIN_SOIL] for truffle-pigs to snout them out of the soil. Also with its [VERMIN_NOROAM] it will apparently just spawn in when a high quality baited trap is ready.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Mobbstar on July 03, 2021, 08:04:53 am
Quote from: FantasticDorf on July 03, 2021, 05:58:10 am
Also with its [VERMIN_NOROAM] it will apparently just spawn in when a high quality baited trap is ready.

In that case, would it be better to put cats around the traps? Do no-roam vermins simply materialise into the trap, while regular vermin gets kept out of the trap by cats?
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: FantasticDorf on July 03, 2021, 03:02:28 pm
Quote from: Mobbstar on July 03, 2021, 08:04:53 am
Quote from: FantasticDorf on July 03, 2021, 05:58:10 am
Also with its [VERMIN_NOROAM] it will apparently just spawn in when a high quality baited trap is ready.

In that case, would it be better to put cats around the traps? Do no-roam vermins simply materialise into the trap, while regular vermin gets kept out of the trap by cats?

This is secondhand wiki information so i can't clarify, i do believe they just materialise inside rather than around the high quality trap with the bait attractant inside, they'll spawn in on that tile, eat it, trigger trap or probably just time-out vanish if they fail since they can't tolerate "roaming" or being seen to move.

So a array of a "maggot farm" would be a mossy patch preferably walled up in the caverns with masterwork wood or metal traps in a grid within walking distance of a small meat pile (which might be trapped to deter food theives animals, or in a burrow to deter dwarves running to eat it), mixing cats with any kind of vermin is typically a bad idea incase they stand ontop of the trap and try to kill the vermin as they spawn in unless they're on restraints or something.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Bumber on July 03, 2021, 06:48:12 pm
Quote from: vcd14 on July 02, 2021, 09:05:43 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 05:37:20 pm
Wait, so no way of producing dwarven milk?
I'm afraid not.
No ogress milk (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174007.0) either.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 03, 2021, 07:44:07 pm
Quote from: Bumber on July 03, 2021, 06:48:12 pm
Quote from: vcd14 on July 02, 2021, 09:05:43 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 05:37:20 pm
Wait, so no way of producing dwarven milk?
I'm afraid not.
No ogress milk (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174007.0) either.
Now that is such a dissapointment. Why no ogress milk!?
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PatrikLundell on July 04, 2021, 02:11:13 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 03, 2021, 07:44:07 pm
Quote from: Bumber on July 03, 2021, 06:48:12 pm
Quote from: vcd14 on July 02, 2021, 09:05:43 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 05:37:20 pm
Wait, so no way of producing dwarven milk?
I'm afraid not.
No ogress milk (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174007.0) either.
Now that is such a dissapointment. Why no ogress milk!?
Because dwarven ethics don't accept slavery AND because ogres don't have the tag that cause them to officially produce milk (all mammals produce milk, but most of them aren't milked because it's not worth the trouble [mice are milked in real life in some areas of research]).
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Laterigrade on July 04, 2021, 04:30:35 am
Quote from: PatrikLundell on July 04, 2021, 02:11:13 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 03, 2021, 07:44:07 pm
Quote from: Bumber on July 03, 2021, 06:48:12 pm
Quote from: vcd14 on July 02, 2021, 09:05:43 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 05:37:20 pm
Wait, so no way of producing dwarven milk?
I'm afraid not.
No ogress milk (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174007.0) either.
Now that is such a dissapointment. Why no ogress milk!?
Because dwarven ethics don't accept slavery AND because ogres don't have the tag that cause them to officially produce milk (all mammals produce milk, but most of them aren't milked because it's not worth the trouble [mice are milked in real life in some areas of research]).
yeahhh, milking an ogress is almost as horrible as milking an elf
I mean ‘irl’ they could probably both be milked given the right condition but oh god oh god oh god
(oh dear lord)
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: klefenz on July 04, 2021, 09:03:05 am
Quote from: PatrikLundell on July 04, 2021, 02:11:13 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 03, 2021, 07:44:07 pm
Quote from: Bumber on July 03, 2021, 06:48:12 pm
Quote from: vcd14 on July 02, 2021, 09:05:43 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 05:37:20 pm
Wait, so no way of producing dwarven milk?
I'm afraid not.
No ogress milk (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174007.0) either.
Now that is such a dissapointment. Why no ogress milk!?
Because dwarven ethics don't accept slavery AND because ogres don't have the tag that cause them to officially produce milk (all mammals produce milk, but most of them aren't milked because it's not worth the trouble [mice are milked in real life in some areas of research]).
How do you know ogres are mammals?
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Strik3r on July 04, 2021, 09:09:28 am
Quote from: klefenz on July 04, 2021, 09:03:05 am
Quote from: PatrikLundell on July 04, 2021, 02:11:13 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 03, 2021, 07:44:07 pm
Quote from: Bumber on July 03, 2021, 06:48:12 pm
Quote from: vcd14 on July 02, 2021, 09:05:43 am
Quote from: Magmacube_tr on July 01, 2021, 05:37:20 pm
Wait, so no way of producing dwarven milk?
I'm afraid not.
No ogress milk (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=174007.0) either.
Now that is such a dissapointment. Why no ogress milk!?
Because dwarven ethics don't accept slavery AND because ogres don't have the tag that cause them to officially produce milk (all mammals produce milk, but most of them aren't milked because it's not worth the trouble [mice are milked in real life in some areas of research]).
How do you know ogres are mammals?
We don't. They could be plants for all we know, like the orks of 40k are "mushrooms".

Nah. Ogres have flesh and bones, and the last time i checked, they don't lay eggs.
(Oh god, why did i have to put this image into my head?)

Also, on the topic of this thread; have Sea Serpents been considered yet?
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: klefenz on July 04, 2021, 12:35:17 pm
Most sharks dont lay eggs either, that doesnt make them mammals
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Strik3r on July 04, 2021, 01:18:00 pm
Quote from: klefenz on July 04, 2021, 12:35:17 pm
Most sharks dont lay eggs either, that doesnt make them mammals

Yes, you're correct... in a sense. Mammals are defined by the fetus' direct, physical connection to the mother via the placenta, as well as the nursing of their young by the way of milk produced from the mammary glands, more so the latter even than the former, hence 'mammal'.
Said sharks, and certain "live birthing" serpents don't. As well, they still produce an egg, complete with a shell, just like other egg-laying animals, it just remains inside the mother's body until hatching.
So, said sharks and serpents still very clearly fall under the definition of oviparous(egg laying) animals, although the correct term for this is "ovoviviparous".

So in the context of that discussion. I guess ogres are lizards now? I have no issues with this.

fake edit: I know what you're gonna say next: 'Platypus'. I know. Platypuses are a weird, weird evolutionary stepping stone between reptiles and mammals. But the thing is, platypuses still have mammary glands that produce milk, the defining characteristic of mammals.
(Oh god, why do i keep doing this to myself?! Now i'm thinking of milking platypuses! Why, brain?)
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Starver on July 04, 2021, 01:50:42 pm
(To the ninja that came in while I was fumblingly editing my following post down from its original technoramble, and following up the prior mention of eggs. I just want to mention montremes, the non-placental egg-laying mammals. They do all (I think) have mammary glands, but no teats, they just 'sweat' milk.)

There's no reason to believe that an elf is any more than a endoskeletal humanoid. As with goblins, the theoretical cladogram uniting the various humanoids might need to reach a long way back to find the common ancestry with the (presumably mammalian) humans, but then so also with Nano Sapien.

Deep into whatever theory we might posit as the whole pre-pre-Worldgen schtick to subscribe to, they may just be parallel evolution(/Creation by Armok, going with a formulaic pattern He didn't feel like messing about with), but then all bets are off as to whether any phenotpical features relate to true family-membership.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Eric Blank on July 04, 2021, 08:37:43 pm
To be fair, milking a platypus would be no more tedious than giving it a belly rub, because while they have mammary glands, they do not have teats or breasts of any sort. Milk just oozes out of the pores on their belly. So milking a platypus would just be adorable and sticky.

But back on topic, sea serpents do show up surprisingly "often" if you visit the shores of oceans they dwell in, because like whales they can beach themselves. they appear on the shore. Sea monsters on the other hand are reasonably rare to stumble upon.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on July 04, 2021, 09:24:17 pm
I just checked the raws and ogres do indeed have [CREATURE_CLASS: MAMMAL], so there's your answer.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: klefenz on July 04, 2021, 11:39:45 pm
Quote from: PlumpHelmetMan on July 04, 2021, 09:24:17 pm
I just checked the raws and ogres do indeed have [CREATURE_CLASS: MAMMAL], so there's your answer.
Now the question is, are they monotremes, marsupials or placentaries?

Edit.
Some other posts got me thinking, if goblins do not eat, then they don't breastfeed their babies. Does that mean female goblins have no breasts?
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PatrikLundell on July 05, 2021, 01:48:07 am
Quote from: klefenz on July 04, 2021, 11:39:45 pm
Quote from: PlumpHelmetMan on July 04, 2021, 09:24:17 pm
I just checked the raws and ogres do indeed have [CREATURE_CLASS: MAMMAL], so there's your answer.
Now the question is, are they monotremes, marsupials or placentaries?

Edit.
Some other posts got me thinking, if goblins do not eat, then they don't breastfeed their babies. Does that mean female goblins have no breasts?
Ogres: Given that ogres are humanoid, the base assumption would be that they're placental.

Goblins: Maybe they've gone the whole way in the human direction, i.e. breasts as purely a sexual feature?

And concerning shark, as far as I understand at least some species have navels resulting from an umbilical cord connection to their mothers, but the don't produce any milk, and, even if they did, wouldn't be mammals but rather feature parallel evolution (or, rather, mammals would, as I suspect the shark umbilical cord usage may well predate the appearance of mammals).
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Salmeuk on July 05, 2021, 03:26:47 am
Quote from: Starver on July 04, 2021, 01:50:42 pm

There's no reason to believe that an elf is any more than a endoskeletal humanoid. As with goblins, the theoretical cladogram uniting the various humanoids might need to reach a long way back to find the common ancestry with the (presumably mammalian) humans, but then so also with Nano Sapien.


sigged, also impressive knowledge of monotremes.. you must be drowning in elf ladies

Someone mention Sea Serpent, I completely agree. Wasn't there some community story, about someone who attempting to swim across an ocean in adventure mode? I believe that featured Sea Serpents in a surprising way but I don't have the link.

Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Starver on July 05, 2021, 09:48:46 am
Quote from: Salmeuk on July 05, 2021, 03:26:47 am
sigged, also impressive knowledge of monotremes.. you must be drowning in elf ladies
Enough of your casual platytudes. I've no elven lassies here, I kiddin'ya not...  There's no horny fey ring, cuz, or any other such tacky gloss on my life.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on July 05, 2021, 02:25:29 pm
Quote from: klefenz on July 04, 2021, 11:39:45 pm
Quote from: PlumpHelmetMan on July 04, 2021, 09:24:17 pm
I just checked the raws and ogres do indeed have [CREATURE_CLASS: MAMMAL], so there's your answer.
Now the question is, are they monotremes, marsupials or placentaries?

My hypothesis is that most of the humanoid monsters are highly-specialized hominids, so they'd be placentals in that case.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 06, 2021, 12:42:21 pm
Hmmm, yes, the things we are disscussing here are very relevant to the topic. Seriously though, what would be the rarest kind of creature ever in DF?
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: PlumpHelmetMan on July 06, 2021, 02:00:10 pm
I mean that's what conversations do, they evolve and branch off the longer you have them, but sure let's get back to the topic on hand. :P
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Salmeuk on July 06, 2021, 10:53:33 pm
a dwarf that isn't a drunk
an elf that isn't a sadist
a human that isn't dirty and fat
a dragon that isn't 5 years old
a minotaur that actually fights
a kea that doesn't
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: Magmacube_tr on July 09, 2021, 05:14:25 am
Quote from: Salmeuk on July 06, 2021, 10:53:33 pm
a dwarf that isn't a drunk
an elf that isn't a sadist
a human that isn't dirty and fat
a dragon that isn't 5 years old
a minotaur that actually fights
a kea that doesn't
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

All of these are valid answers as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: Rarest Creature in DF; What is it?
Post by: em312s0n on July 14, 2021, 05:35:40 am
Werewolves.

Ive seen a whole lot of werebeasts from werepigs to werepandas but not even once have I seen an actual run of the mill standard generic werewolf