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Mouse/hotkeys usage habits

Hot...keys? I have to stare at the list for hours to find what to build/designate.  I am still in babysteps and therefore don't get a real say here.
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Keyboard is slow and clunky, I hardly ever use it. I use the mouse whenever possible and if I cannot use it I make a new suggestions thread.
- 9 (3.7%)
I never touch the mouse, and even if I did it wouldn't make anything easier or faster. Keyboard4lyf!
- 116 (47.7%)
I use keyboard and mouse together in harmony. I also hug trees and eat dead bodies.
- 70 (28.8%)
I am too unique to fit into any of these foolish attempts at polling choices. Good day to you sir.
- 47 (19.3%)

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Author Topic: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?  (Read 7051 times)

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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2010, 03:23:49 pm »

Ideally, controls would be like autocad: commandline+hotkeys+mouse

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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2010, 03:28:39 pm »

I'm certainly right there with smjjames on the construction icon. I have a rather large construction and it fills the entire screen on my 23 inch monitor and it is very overwhelming time to time.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2010, 04:17:56 pm »

I'm not sure what "new screen" or "new button" even is suppose to mean in this case. It could either be literally new screens he's introduced (like, the new squad screen?)

I'm pretty sure it's those, yeah.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2010, 03:53:54 pm »

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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 04:11:20 pm »

Oh, hush. We don't need more racial tensions. *waves iron dagger*
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2010, 04:23:41 pm »

90% of the menus in dwarf fortress need to be replaced with mouse interfaces. Remembering every last key is literally impossible. Not joking, it's actually impossible. Maybe not for like two people. I'm talking overwhelming majority. Not that they will save a majority of newbies any struggling time.

They should still list the hotkey, after the name of course.

We also need a point and click (and click again) method of designating a length of wall too.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2010, 04:34:05 pm »

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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2010, 06:45:45 pm »

The only time I'm ever tempted to use the mouse is when the alternative is to mash keys repeatedly to get the same results as one point-and-click operation.  Otherwise, the keyboard alone is just fine to me.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2010, 06:59:35 pm »

I'd prefer the ability to use both keyboard and mouse; not just for myself, but others as well. Nine times out of ten when I ask people why they don't play DF even though they have an intense interest in the game it always falls back to the same thing.

The interface is god-awful, why can't I just use the mouse?

Plus, I'm sure I've gotten a RSI from planting down cabinets, chests, and beds in 200 quarters, then defining all those bedrooms. And a dining room for each family as well.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2010, 07:39:33 pm »

I only use the keyboard in DF, it would be nice to have the mouse and flashy buttons you can click but doesn't have to be since it is pretty easy to use the keyboard once you learned the hot-keys.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2010, 09:00:05 pm »

I'd like to be able to use the mouse to make fancy swatches of constructions, but in the current version I only use the keyboard.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2010, 10:14:35 pm »

I must be one of those keyboard savants mentioned by eerr. I've yet to find a time when I needed to check the DF window to find a hotkey, but all too often I stare at my keyboard for 10+ minutes thinking "where the f- did my key go?". I need to get better at this whole knowing my keyboard nonsense.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2010, 12:01:26 am »

I don't know, the keyboard system was real hell for me for the first few weeks I played, but once you've used it enough, the keyboard system is incredibly fluid. There's a few workshops I'm still unfamiliar with (for example, I've never bothered with querns before) and I don't use the job screen or job manager much, but aside from those, everything's more or less mentally mapped out for me. If I were to use the mouse to designate digging tiles, for instance, I would have to actually move my hands away from where they are rested on the keyboard, making it much slower for me.

That being said, I can understand why adding mouse support is highly desired by some. But replacing the keyboard with mouse actions I am heavily against. I use the keyboard system way faster and more comfortably than I ever could with the mouse.

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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #28 on: January 13, 2010, 12:59:18 am »

Keyboard is slow. To get 3 tiles left, you have to press left, left, left. Hotkeys are faster with keyboards, though.. and we have limited mouse support for designations. I usually use the mouse when making doors for bedrooms and stuff. It's a lot faster. Silly to say that you don't need the mouse at all.

But then, using the keyboard for hotkeys is the optimal way. Unless you have a hard time finding which keys are where on your keyboard, it shouldn't be a problem.
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Re: What is all the fuss about wanting to use the mouse?
« Reply #29 on: January 13, 2010, 01:08:41 am »

But replacing the keyboard with mouse actions I am heavily against. I use the keyboard system way faster and more comfortably than I ever could with the mouse.

Well then you have nothing to worry about, because I've never seen anyone advocate that.
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