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Dwarf Fortress => DF Modding => Topic started by: Warlord255 on December 18, 2008, 06:35:23 pm

Title: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 18, 2008, 06:35:23 pm
Also, circles.

After seeing this character set - Dorten's improvement to Savok's tileset - on the wiki:
(http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/images/7/7a/Snap.PNG)

I decided I had to try it out.

With smooth walls, you can actually make circles that don't look horrifically blocky. So after some research in Photoshop to get block-by-blow schemata for circles, I now have a handy guide to circle-carving.

This is what happened when I carved an experimental design;

Before smoothing:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

After smoothing:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm in love, guys. That's all there is to it.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2008, 06:36:57 pm

 I asked him to post it on the Wiki, because something like that should not be shown and not posted for everybody to use.

 It is love. Although the characters are a bit small...

 WHO CARES! It's smooth walls!
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 18, 2008, 06:45:10 pm
Quote from: Duke 2.0 on December 18, 2008, 06:36:57 pm

 I asked him to post it on the Wiki, because something like that should not be shown and not posted for everybody to use.

 It is love. Although the characters are a bit small...

 WHO CARES! It's smooth walls!

Small characters are nothing a little bit of zoom can't fix.

And the tileset IS on the wiki, look for "list of user character sets". I've made some minor tweaks to the icons used for dwarves (his were skinny, and lacking), but beyond that it's great.

One final caveat; don't embark on areas with puddingstone.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Fenrir on December 18, 2008, 06:52:39 pm
That is pretty. Blasphemous to all worshippers af ASCII (like myself), but pretty.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 18, 2008, 06:53:24 pm
Quote from: Fenrir on December 18, 2008, 06:52:39 pm
That is pretty. Blasphemous to all worshippers af ASCII (like myself), but pretty.

Hey, at least it's not a graphics pack. :P
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: LegoLord on December 18, 2008, 07:17:55 pm
I like it.  it'll probably look weird with the default graphics turned on, though.  All those do is make dwarves look funny and make all the tiles square instead of rectangular.  That's what I normally use.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 18, 2008, 11:24:43 pm
Quote from: LegoLord on December 18, 2008, 07:17:55 pm
I like it.  it'll probably look weird with the default graphics turned on, though.  All those do is make dwarves look funny and make all the tiles square instead of rectangular.  That's what I normally use.

You don't have to turn on the graphics; just get the image file, replace the "curses blah blah" default in the non-graphics entry, and BAM.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Zorgn on December 19, 2008, 04:05:17 am
Can the angled wall effect eventually be applied to unsmoothed stone?
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 19, 2008, 03:07:28 pm
Quote from: Zorgn on December 19, 2008, 04:05:17 am
Can the angled wall effect eventually be applied to unsmoothed stone?

Ask Toady.

Right now, unsmoothed/not-constructed walls are rendered as bricks with letters on them.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Marlowe on December 20, 2008, 07:33:38 am
What resolution did you use for the screenshots?

I tried this one, because it does look sweet, but I couldn't find a resolution that didn't make it look blurry and eye-splitting.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2008, 11:07:08 am

 My personal resolution, which could use some fixin':

 
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 20, 2008, 12:58:37 pm
Here's mine; I love me some big screen. It fits perfectly.

Code: [Select]
[WINDOWEDX]
[WINDOWEDY]
[FONT:720x225_SmoothWalls.bmp]

[BLACK_SPACE:NO]

[GRID:80:40]
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 02:42:32 pm
I'm currently trying to adapt this to the mayday pack, it's turned out ok, though several of the tiles don't match up perfectly (They don't look smooth). This is a result of trying to upscale a 9x9 set to a 16x16 set :(

I could save what I currently have (still tweaking it to get stuff to 'sync' properly) as a PNG and post it if anyone wants.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Duke 2.0 on December 20, 2008, 02:45:05 pm

 Yes, my eyes would like a 16x16 set.

 And I would like to see any obvious problems with it. As long as smooth walls are there, I'm fine.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 03:00:27 pm
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/aStaleFart/DortenPlusMayday.png

Is what I have so far, there are a couple minor problems where, instead of
Code: [Select]
   X
  X
 XYou have this instead...
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   X
   X
  X
I'm messing around with the layout trying to get rid of those, but since I can't directly copy the 9x9 to a 16x16 it's kind of frustrating.

The diagnols are off as well :( /me goes off to fix.

EDIT: Tweaked it a bunch, should be much smoother now. I can't spot any obvious problems, but let me know if you see any, and I will try and fix.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/aStaleFart/DortenPlusMaydayTweaked.png
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Footkerchief on December 20, 2008, 04:03:14 pm
^^^ It looks like the walls are just scaled up with nasty rough pixels?
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 04:08:59 pm
Quote from: Footkerchief on December 20, 2008, 04:03:14 pm
^^^ It looks like the walls are just scaled up with nasty rough pixels?

Check out the second one :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/aStaleFart/DortenPlusMaydaytileset.png)
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Footkerchief on December 20, 2008, 05:03:05 pm
You posted the same link twice.  That screenshot looks awesome though.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: woose1 on December 20, 2008, 05:08:25 pm
Oh god... I want this so bad... but I cant figure out how to work it.

If anyone could help, by giving me step by step instructions on how to make this work, it would be greatly aprreciated.

(I have already got it in my art folder in BMP format, now what?)
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Footkerchief on December 20, 2008, 05:10:28 pm
Did you try this already?  Is it not step-by-step enough?

http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Tilesets#Character_sets
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: woose1 on December 20, 2008, 05:12:54 pm
Did it, but what grid size/resolution do I have to put it? Ive already scrwed around with it and I forgot what default was. currently, Im getting a messed up intro and nothing at all after that.

Edit: I tried the orginal one without the intergration of mayday and that worked fine ("Fine" meaning that the screen was horrendously small and the lines were horrendously blurry.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Footkerchief on December 20, 2008, 05:15:34 pm
Which one did you download?  "Original one" is kind of ambiguous.  Just give me a link to the one you downloaded or something.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: woose1 on December 20, 2008, 05:21:16 pm
One that did not work (Intergrated one): http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/aStaleFart/DortenPlusMayday.png

One that DID work but was horrendously blurry and small. (Like, 100x100 small.)
http://dwarf.lendemaindeveille.com/index.php/Image:720x225_SmoothWalls.PNG

Personaly, im am not a graphics whore adn dont need all this fancy schmancy mayday stuff. Im used to working with character sets, not graphic sets!
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 06:09:16 pm
If you have mayday: download my file, covert to a .bmp 24bit by opening it in photoshop (or paint) and saving it as a bmp file to your data/art directory.

Then you just change:
Code: [Select]
[GRAPHICS:YES]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:1280]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:800]
[GRAPHICS_FONT:WhatYouSavedThePngAs.bmp] CHANGE THIS LINE TO YOUR FILE NAME
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:1280]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:1024]
[GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:WhatYouSavedThePngAs.bmp] CHANGE THIS LINE TO YOUR FILE NAME
[GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE:YES]

and voila.

Otherwise, if you DON'T have a graphics pack, and just a vanilla install of DF, you will need to do the same steps as above, with the file you get from the wiki (720x225_SmoothWalls.png) and convert it to a .bmp file and save it to the data/art directory.

Then you go into the init file and change...
Code: [Select]
[WINDOWEDX:1024]
[WINDOWEDY:800]
[FONT:720x225_SmoothWalls.bmp] OR WHATEVER YOUR FILENAME IS

Then you need to adjust the resolution. Just multiply the desired grid size by the size of corresponding tile. In this case, it's square, so multiply both by 9. If you want a grid of 80:50, you would need a resolution of (80 * 9):(50 * 9) or 720x450.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 06:11:47 pm
Quote from: Footkerchief on December 20, 2008, 05:03:05 pm
You posted the same link twice.  That screenshot looks awesome though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/aStaleFart/DortenPlusMaydayTweaked.png

So I did, there is the partially tweaked version. I didn't change all of the tiles, since I haven't quite figured out where they all go yet, so I can't test them all ingame. I haven't had much time to go over the wiki in detail yet, but I plan on doing that tonight.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 20, 2008, 06:32:18 pm
I've been making some heavy revisions to it, but I'll post the modified tileset later tonight.

One thing I've found is that replacing the division symbol (used for barrels) with a graphic that creates a realistic barrel messes with screw pumps, so I removed that. A shame, since it works so well.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 07:26:33 pm
Quote from: Warlord255 on December 20, 2008, 06:32:18 pm
I've been making some heavy revisions to it, but I'll post the modified tileset later tonight.

One thing I've found is that replacing the division symbol (used for barrels) with a graphic that creates a realistic barrel messes with screw pumps, so I removed that. A shame, since it works so well.

I like the barrels! If it makes screwpumps look a little weird, so be it.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Tormy on December 20, 2008, 07:55:50 pm
Yeah not a bad char. set, but I don't like the floors to be honest.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 09:14:17 pm
Quote from: Tormy on December 20, 2008, 07:55:50 pm
Yeah not a bad char. set, but I don't like the floors to be honest.

You can change them? Just open it up in photoshop, find the floor tile (row 4 or 5, on the right edge) and paint your own. remember that the tile needs to be 16 pixels by 16 pixels (or whatever size you have) and use the pencil tool ('paints' one pixel at a time) and voila. Instant modification to any design you like. You can even find a tileset with the same dimension as yours and just copy/paste the tile over into your set. All it is is an image. Images are editable.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Tormy on December 21, 2008, 09:57:32 am
Quote from: Sinergistic on December 20, 2008, 09:14:17 pm
Quote from: Tormy on December 20, 2008, 07:55:50 pm
Yeah not a bad char. set, but I don't like the floors to be honest.

You can change them? Just open it up in photoshop, find the floor tile (row 4 or 5, on the right edge) and paint your own. remember that the tile needs to be 16 pixels by 16 pixels (or whatever size you have) and use the pencil tool ('paints' one pixel at a time) and voila. Instant modification to any design you like. You can even find a tileset with the same dimension as yours and just copy/paste the tile over into your set. All it is is an image. Images are editable.

Thanks for reminding me that I can edit the images... ;D
I am using a different set anyway. [Herrbdog's 16x16]
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on December 21, 2008, 11:03:10 am
Actually herbdogs 16x16 is what i am using too. I would really like it if someone could edit diagonal walls into it.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: GFXiNXS on December 21, 2008, 11:58:04 am
GFXiNXS delivers.

I personally detest the breakup that the bevel introduces between wall tiles, but have mimicked it for the sake of consistency.

(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2621/herrbdog16x16smoothzj6.png)

I will also take this moment to shamelessly advertise a tileset of my own making featuring:
anti-aliasing
curved river icons (world map)
animated rivers/brooks for a rather nice effect (requires water level display be turned off)
the all new smooth walls with a minor touch of my own
various deviations from icon's natural ascii equivalents.

This might sound dastardly to all those ascii lovers (me being one), though due to the ambiguity of an 8x8 tile's representation, multi-faceted images can be created eg. dwarven civ icon also equating to a statue etc.
If anyone gains any enjoyment out of this set or has any critique etc, drop me a line at http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=25654.0 (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=25654.0)

(http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/2170/gfxinxs8x8smoothya2.png)

/end of shameless advertisement.

tl;dr: Herrbdog with smooth walls. Grab it while it's hot.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: woose1 on December 21, 2008, 01:33:00 pm
@Sinergistic:

Thank you SO MUCH for your help, but I have finally become enlightened that I am a complete douche at these things and my all knowing wiki has failed me.

Could you help this guy out by giving me a pre-packeged thing for this? Thanks.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 21, 2008, 04:09:56 pm
Quote from: woose1 on December 21, 2008, 01:33:00 pm
@Sinergistic:

Thank you SO MUCH for your help, but I have finally become enlightened that I am a complete douche at these things and my all knowing wiki has failed me.

Could you help this guy out by giving me a pre-packeged thing for this? Thanks.

I can do that, yes. Pick a tileset you want.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: woose1 on December 21, 2008, 09:38:44 pm
Quote from: Sinergistic on December 21, 2008, 04:09:56 pm
Quote from: woose1 on December 21, 2008, 01:33:00 pm
@Sinergistic:

Thank you SO MUCH for your help, but I have finally become enlightened that I am a complete douche at these things and my all knowing wiki has failed me.

Could you help this guy out by giving me a pre-packeged thing for this? Thanks.

I can do that, yes. Pick a tileset you want.
Thanks.
I would like a pre-packeged version of mayday+Dorten.

A good idea would to post it on the wiki so others can enjoy it too.
thanks for the help.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 21, 2008, 10:42:02 pm
Uploading as we speak, will edit in a moment.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=749

River tiles on worldgen are gonna be a little strange because I never went back and changed them all.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: woose1 on December 22, 2008, 11:27:40 pm
Quote from: Sinergistic on December 21, 2008, 10:42:02 pm
Uploading as we speak, will edit in a moment.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=749

River tiles on worldgen are gonna be a little strange because I never went back and changed them all.
Heh... they look like they were mouse-drawn.

Thanks a whole fudgy poopy lot. *Smears brown stuff on Sinergistic*
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 23, 2008, 05:09:52 pm
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i47/mistermustafarandi/random%20DF/Picture2.png?t=1230070152)

A shot of a trade depot, with my modified faces.

The unhappy dwarves are the traders.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Sinergistic on December 23, 2008, 05:17:53 pm
Quote from: Warlord255 on December 23, 2008, 05:09:52 pm
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i47/mistermustafarandi/random%20DF/Picture2.png?t=1230070152)

A shot of a trade depot, with my modified faces.

The unhappy dwarves are the traders.

Is that a 9x9 set? Did you zoom in or something? Because it looks like dortens 9x9, yet much bigger.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Warlord255 on December 23, 2008, 05:23:03 pm
Quote from: Sinergistic on December 23, 2008, 05:17:53 pm
Quote from: Warlord255 on December 23, 2008, 05:09:52 pm
(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i47/mistermustafarandi/random%20DF/Picture2.png?t=1230070152)

A shot of a trade depot, with my modified faces.

The unhappy dwarves are the traders.

Is that a 9x9 set? Did you zoom in or something? Because it looks like dortens 9x9, yet much bigger.

Yea, it's 9x9, I'm just zoomed in a bit.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Belal on January 09, 2009, 09:11:21 am
Earlier in this thread people were requesting a mike mayday tileset with smoothed walls.  I created just that. 

Example Pic http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Image:Belal_Example.png (http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Image:Belal_Example.png)

Wiki http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/List_of_user_character_sets#Belal (http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/List_of_user_character_sets#Belal).
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Turnip on January 09, 2009, 04:59:53 pm
I just made my own version of this combining it with Markavians 12x12.
Should I post?
The diagonals interlock a bit strangely but its either that or they interlock with straight ones strangely.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Duke 2.0 on January 09, 2009, 05:12:17 pm

 Lets see it. I don't particularly like Maydays pack(No offense, I just prefer my graphics to not be broken), so any set that is not 9x9 and hurts my eyes is welcome.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Turnip on January 09, 2009, 05:19:55 pm
Okay, the diagonals interlink very sloppily and I have to fix that, but it looks good.
(http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7950/markvje8.png)

(http://img389.imageshack.us/img389/1728/markvshowingbh2.png)
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: LegoLord on January 09, 2009, 07:24:22 pm
Could someone edit the default square set so that it has diagonal walls?  I prefer the default ASCII for the most part, but I like the idea of smooth walls.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Taritus on January 09, 2009, 07:50:35 pm
I would love it if someone would edit the default 8x12 set for these walls.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Rysith on January 09, 2009, 07:53:39 pm
I don't have the default set, but I do have a variant of the original 9x9 that I edited to remove the bed/barrel tiles and bring them back to ASCII goodness. I'll post that later tonight when I have access to it. I'll also see about modifying the 8x12, but I suspect that diagonal walls work much, much better on square tilesets.

EDIT: Here's the re-ASCIIed 9x9:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/qx6g46.png)
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Turnip on January 09, 2009, 07:58:08 pm
I'd love for someone to mop up my tileset as I can't figure out why it's doing that.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Footkerchief on January 09, 2009, 08:04:46 pm
It looks like your west-south corner is just misaligned by a pixel in each direction. 
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Turnip on January 09, 2009, 08:20:10 pm
I got it to integrate seamlessly myself.
:D
(http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/990/markvyi2.png)
(http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/9382/markvshowingkv3.png)
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: LegoLord on January 14, 2009, 07:06:01 pm
Quote from: LegoLord on January 09, 2009, 07:24:22 pm
Could someone edit the default square set so that it has diagonal walls?  I prefer the default ASCII for the most part, but I like the idea of smooth walls.
Since no one more experienced responded, I tried it myself.  The results so far look nice, but would result in a squiggly line if you made a diagonal line of walls.  So I consider it a failure and ask again if someone else could edit the 16x16 curses tile set to have smooth walls.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: Savok on January 31, 2009, 11:07:20 pm
Well. Thanks!

I may create angled-wall option for my latest (16x16) tileset.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: PTTG?? on February 02, 2009, 01:43:36 am
Bah! I've been doing sloped walls (http://www.2funnyguys.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=20) for months!</crotchety>

Looks like a nice tileset, there. Planning to improve this for the new Alpha-channel settings?
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: penguinofhonor on February 02, 2009, 02:16:01 am
I think I'll see if I can put this into my 8x8 tileset tomorrow, further transforming my current tileset into a combination of all the cool things from the other tilesets I've seen.
Title: Re: I'm In Love With This Character Set
Post by: tigrex on February 05, 2009, 11:13:56 am
Shameless plug:

My tileset uses Dorten's smooth walls, but converted to 3d.  Still looks good, albeit the diagonal walls take a cogwheel pattern.

<Showing off>

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg42/andrion_legacy/tigrex3d.png)

</Showing off>

Has other stuff that I modified/invented, too.

Not to take any of Dorten's glory, though - way to go!   :D