Post by: Ironhand on April 06, 2010, 07:42:04 am
WELCOME TO THE HOMEPAGE OF THE OFFICIAL
(http://i34.tinypic.com/2r4nafq.png)
Tileset and Graphics Package
The most recent package is 0.68 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511) for DF 0.34.07.
NOTE: If walls look like mushrooms or turtles or something, UPDATE YOUR SAVEGAMES!
All you need to do is copy your raw folder, and replace the one inside your save file(s).
Updating as necessary
Spoiler: DWARVES (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: TILESETS (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: History and Changelog (click to show/hide)
Thanks to everybody who's supporting me and giving me suggestions,
and especially to all the graphics sets from which I've swiped ideas or tiles;
notably: Phoebus (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=52186.msg1126016#msg1126016), Mayday (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53649.0), RantingRodent (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=29706.0)... and (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53471.msg1146591#msg1146591) pretty (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=54142.msg1162027#msg1162027) much (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=49479.msg1028523#msg1028523) every (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34834.0)body (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=54399.0) else (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tileset_repository).
And to Sphr and Bane for inspiring me with their lovely dwarf and animal sets.
Thanks also to Hermano, for this lovely little creature (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=54669.0),
and of course to the Toad (http://www.bay12games.com/support.html) himself.
(http://tnypic.net/a689b.png)
You guys are great!
Post by: Ampersand on April 06, 2010, 08:38:14 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 06, 2010, 09:01:24 am
I love to be able to look at my huge, glorious dining halls all at once.
With my 1440x900 monitor, I'll get
60x37 tiles if they're 24x24 pixels,
45x28 if they're 32x32...
I wish there were a way to switch graphics sets when you scroll...
Post by: Ampersand on April 06, 2010, 09:44:12 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 06, 2010, 09:48:44 am
Huh.
Any ideas?
Post by: Cthulhu on April 06, 2010, 09:49:36 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 06, 2010, 01:09:22 pm
:(
You'd actually need a 1920-pixel-wide monitor to be able to use a 24x24 tileset...
So... I guess I'm gonna have to shrink him.
Gosh, that totally bums me out.
Post by: Ironhand on April 06, 2010, 03:20:46 pm
That's just enough to fit 80 of him on my monitor.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/16lac2g.png)
I'm not sure I'm completely happy with him yet, but I think I will be.
Maybe I'll restore a little more detail to the face and shrink the body.
Anyway, thanks for catching me now on that.
This would have sucked a lot more if I'd already gotten through a few dozen tiles.
I'm thinking I might work on the 24x24 tiles in conjunction with my new 18x18 ones.
Maybe someday I'll get a 1920-pixel monitor, or maybe somebody rich would like my set.
The 32 pixel thing is totally out of the question now.
Post by: Omegastick on April 06, 2010, 03:47:30 pm
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Post by: Ironhand on April 06, 2010, 04:43:21 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/9bcfit.png)
Rather than anti-aliasing, I'm just fading to that dark brown on the edges.
Post by: MaxMan on April 06, 2010, 08:07:20 pm
..no just kidding.. It looks great though, can't wait to see the rest.
Post by: Sensei on April 06, 2010, 08:57:23 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 06, 2010, 09:38:33 pm
Here's what we've got right now:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1bz1y.png)
These are, of course, highly subject to change.
I'll play around with bandannas tomorrow.
Post by: Duelmaster409 on April 06, 2010, 09:58:26 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 06, 2010, 11:24:46 pm
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9468/59098809.png) [/silly]
Post by: SiN.Daeus on April 06, 2010, 11:29:18 pm
There was something wrong with your dwarf. I fixed it.
(http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9468/59098809.png) [/silly]
I would totally switch to a set of those dorfs.
Post by: Ironhand on April 07, 2010, 06:34:10 am
(http://i42.tinypic.com/11rvzub.png)
I feel the love.
Post by: Sensei on April 07, 2010, 11:51:06 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 07, 2010, 02:36:28 pm
I'm actually really looking forward to them.
I think it'll be fun to make fancy clothes and hats.
Anyway, check it out. I made some more stuff:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/5l9a1f.png)
I'm not sure I like the soldiers yet.
Skullcap-dwarf in particular doesn't do much for me.
I like the headband a lot better. Thanks for the suggestion!
My peasants are pretty nice, though, I think.
Check out that farmer hat. I'm proud of that one.
Post by: Sensei on April 07, 2010, 08:42:16 pm
Edit: on the topic of useful things, you might give the military dwarves weapons. Also, make the shoulder spikes smaller on the 'large' one, this isn't world of warcraft! ...in fact, you should make a leather armor set too. And despite that they are dwarves, they don't all have to have beards when more uniquely distinguishing features could be in that space.
Post by: Ironhand on April 07, 2010, 08:53:30 pm
Keep your pants on. This is harder than it looks.
I do intend to add weapons eventually.
And yeah, the pauldrons are a bit excessive.
But I already said I wasn't done with the soldiers.
Anyway, I went ahead and put together my color scheme.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/30nkgtz.png)
Also, a miner, with which I am very happy.
Oh, and a jeweler. He has a monacle!
I can't decide what to do with the ranger.
I am accustomed to Sphr's dwarves, and that ranger
has a sort of wide-brimmed hat with a feather stuck in it.
But I'm wondering what other people have done for rangers.
So... what have other people done for rangers?
Post by: Borgle on April 07, 2010, 08:55:18 pm
Love your style, by the way! ;)
Post by: Ironhand on April 07, 2010, 08:57:51 pm
A cowl, huh?
I think I like that more than a hat.
Oh, you know what? I forgot medics!
What color is the medical profession?
Post by: Borgle on April 07, 2010, 08:59:44 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 07, 2010, 09:07:56 pm
Hey, check it out! A cowl:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/aw8c2f.png)
Post by: Heron TSG on April 07, 2010, 09:12:19 pm
Post by: Borgle on April 07, 2010, 09:13:43 pm
These are awesome! They have a lot of character.They need more sassy-ness. ;)
Post by: Sensei on April 07, 2010, 09:18:39 pm
Gosh, you're so pushy.Chill dude, they're just suggestions. If it sounded like orders, that's because I was wriitng quickly since I forgot to put any important content in the post. :P
Keep your pants on. This is harder than it looks.
Post by: Ironhand on April 07, 2010, 09:26:12 pm
Here, check it out:
Diagnostician! Surgeon!
(http://i40.tinypic.com/4rs5cl.png)
Post by: Sensei on April 08, 2010, 12:31:53 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 06:50:14 am
I'm really proud of the lab coat, though.
Gregory Zoden, M.D. cancels rest: interrupted by epiphany.
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 03:38:57 pm
Anyway, I tried making some blood splatters,
but I'm not happy with them...
(http://i43.tinypic.com/j8mxxs.png)
Does anybody have any suggestions or pointers?
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 08, 2010, 03:42:39 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 05:36:12 pm
I dunno...
I'm still not quite happy.
Maybe I'll come back to it.
If anybody has examples,
I would appreciate them.
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 06:03:38 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/29xztkj.png)
I think I like the medics clean, though.
But I'll come back to them.
I think I'll go take a crack at nobles.
Wish me luck!
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 08, 2010, 06:23:19 pm
JackBread wishes for luck!
Invalid syntax.
I would give a reference, but my graphics set was made for 40d. :\
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 06:27:11 pm
Pixel art is pixel art, dude.
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 08, 2010, 06:29:07 pm
Alright, I'll post it.
Post by: MaxMan on April 08, 2010, 06:33:20 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 08, 2010, 06:37:06 pm
Also, the butcher looks awesome.
And 40d graphics sets are compatible; the .txt connecting them to the raws needs to be changed however, since the raws have changed.
Post by: Bandages on April 08, 2010, 06:40:11 pm
keep up the good work, I anxiously await this tileset.
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 06:40:50 pm
I like the diversified beard idea.
I'll play with that a bit.
Any recommendations?
For particular dwarfs?
Oh, one other thing:
Has anybody compiled a list of professions for 0.31?
I'd love to lay out my sheet so I can watch it fill itself in.
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 08, 2010, 06:41:08 pm
(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3159/dwarves.png)
Soldier dwarves. I thought the color looked annoying, so I also made a colorless one.
Also, captain of the guard and royal captain of the guard.
(http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/6529/dwarfsoldiers.png)
Each profession have a different beard. :)
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 06:46:18 pm
I guess I could just use this / Sphr's set to figure out what I need.
Are the medical dwarves the only new professions? Or is there new stuff?
Also, isn't there some stuff that's out? Like champions don't exist now, right?
And are there separate sprites for, like, the Armament dwarf and stuff?
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 08, 2010, 06:49:23 pm
Though it does seem like Arsenal dwarves and the chief medical dwarves have their own sprites.
Post by: Bandages on April 08, 2010, 06:52:37 pm
other than that, beard variety isn't all that important to me. Maybe make important dwarves (read: nobles) have braided beards or somesuch.
Post by: MaxMan on April 08, 2010, 06:53:06 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 06:55:01 pm
...can we maybe get that in a spoiler tag? :D
Also, is that a 12x12 set? That is impressive!
I thought 18x18 felt crowded!
Post by: MaxMan on April 08, 2010, 06:57:44 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 07:00:14 pm
Thanks!
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 08:50:07 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/21lluh4.png)
I thought he looked better in peasant cyan.
Is anybody hugely offended that he's not in red?
Also, I tossed together a basic spritesheet.
Most of them are just copy-pasted placeholders,
but you can check it out in the OP if you want to.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 08, 2010, 09:02:13 pm
but that's just my own opinion.
Nice set tough. :)
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 09:20:27 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/1znpso9.png)
Mutton chops!
Post by: Ultimuh on April 08, 2010, 09:22:10 pm
Atleast I think so. :)
But you could keep both versions incase someone likes the first one.
Post by: Ironhand on April 08, 2010, 10:04:47 pm
Check it out: (http://i44.tinypic.com/a1r14y.png) It's a dimple cup!
Post by: Sensei on April 08, 2010, 11:56:52 pm
Post by: Harmonica on April 09, 2010, 04:54:41 am
I like your dwarves a lot. I think the butchers should have blood on them, optionally a cleaver. Cooks can have chefs whites with maybe one of those blue+white crosshatched hats.
I'm wondering why it's not possible to do the oversized set you had proposed? Try using big tiles and see what happens. It would be cool to see a dwarf, erm, dwarfed by something massive.
The absence of such a set already sort of tells me that it might not be possible, though.
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 08:31:39 am
The game specifies that you must have at least 80 tiles horizontally
(so that certain menus can be properly rendered, or whatever).
So you'd need a 1920-pixel resolution for a 24-pixel graphics set.
And I haven't been anti-aliasing stuff, because I just use black backgrounds.
Also, this way you could use a ff00ff .bmp rather than a .png if you wanted to.
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 09:53:51 am
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2dv8z6e.png) Woodcutter!
Post by: Arucard on April 09, 2010, 10:40:28 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 01:18:36 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2i9d6v.png)
Dyer, tanner, butcher, chef, brewer.
Also, I've updated the main sheet.
Check out the bottom-left noble.
That's the first of the new beards!
And yes, by the way, I do love mutton chops.
Post by: Bandages on April 09, 2010, 01:36:33 pm
Perhaps just giving it a beard soaked with beer foam? Or leiderhosen?
Post by: Ultimuh on April 09, 2010, 01:53:47 pm
Perhaps just giving it a beard soaked with beer foam? Or leiderhosen?
That would be great! ;D
Post by: Twiggie on April 09, 2010, 02:36:45 pm
Post by: Vampire Penguin on April 09, 2010, 03:20:16 pm
Hats!
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2i9d6v.png)
Dyer, tanner, butcher, chef, brewer.
Also, I've updated the main sheet.
Check out the bottom-left noble.
That's the first of the new beards!
And yes, by the way, I do love mutton chops.
I think you should make the butcher and brewer more distinct. Maybe a bloody hat for the butcher, and a completely different sort of hat for the brewer, plus lederhosen? Or maybe no hat at all for the brewer. My only concern is being able to look at the dwarf with a passing glance and being able to tell who he is, not looking at little details. But I love this, and will certainly use this when you finish.
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 04:16:50 pm
(http://i40.tinypic.com/xeo8hw.png)
Also, a prisoner, and I tried to
vary the cookin' chaps a bit.
What do you think?
Post by: SiN.Daeus on April 09, 2010, 04:35:29 pm
How ever, my only complaint is that there is a bit too much brown and dark colours. For easy identification, you should also add some colour co-ordination. Not completely, but just a little bit. Like coloured trim or what ever. Just my two penneth.
Post by: Bandages on April 09, 2010, 05:27:41 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 06:00:56 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/v689kx.png)
planter, herbalist
I think.
Post by: Jack_Bread on April 09, 2010, 06:05:38 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 06:16:38 pm
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2irqexh.png)
Post by: Ultimuh on April 09, 2010, 06:28:37 pm
How about laurels?
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2irqexh.png)
Nice. ;D
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 06:32:12 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2aetldd.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on April 09, 2010, 06:40:59 pm
Post by: Bandages on April 09, 2010, 06:44:43 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 06:46:02 pm
Yeah, that's a luxury that I afforded myself by using 18x18 tiles.
I also used up the whole tile with just the basic peasant dwarf.
Sets like Sphr's have extra room around the dwarf for tools and weapons.
I'm hoping I'll be able to overlay that kinda stuff over top. We'll see how it goes.
I don't have any idea how you crazies draw your tiny little tilesets.
18 pixels is plenty snug for me.
As far as the fat nobles thing goes, I have ONE pixel to spare.
So they're not gonna get much fatter, if any.
Also, I'm pretty sure my set is already the most obese one I've seen. = P
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 07:09:24 pm
(http://i40.tinypic.com/8y7q15.png)
Like the miner, he is shifted one pixel to the right;
he uses up all 18 pixels horizontally and vertically!
I love that I got four tongs on that pitchfork.
When I upload the new spritesheet tonight,
I'm gonna post one on a black background too.
It looks nice with all the darkened edges fading to black.
Post by: Cheddarius on April 09, 2010, 07:21:58 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 07:28:54 pm
so any beta version I released would just have boring, identical dwarfs.
But so far I've been unsuccessful with any graphics sets, even other people's.
I dunno if other people have had the same issues or whatever, but I'm hoping
that the OpenGL/40d19 merge stuff will just solve all of those problems for me...
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 07:49:42 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/c3pn6.png)
Stripped of his possessions,
overworked by his harsh goblin overlords,
with only his conveniently long beard to keep him warm.
Post by: Zai on April 09, 2010, 07:53:17 pm
I like how he looks really downcast, especially compared to the others.
Post by: Ironhand on April 09, 2010, 08:01:15 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2crt0tw.png)
The dyer now has a tie-dyed bandanna.
Heh. Maybe I should dye his beard, too.
Post by: Ultimuh on April 09, 2010, 08:03:01 pm
On a happier note,
(http://i39.tinypic.com/2crt0tw.png)
The dyer now has a tie-dyed bandanna.
Heh. Maybe I should dye his beard, too.
Make it spotted with different colors. :)
Post by: SiN.Daeus on April 09, 2010, 10:32:53 pm
Slave dwarf.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/c3pn6.png)
Stripped of his possessions,
overworked by his harsh goblin overlords,
with only his conveniently long beard to keep him warm.
His beard should be ragged/hacked short. Aren't long beards supposed to be a source of pride in DF?
It would make sense for it to be cruely cut by the slavers.
Also, on that note, nobles should have long beards. With the philo having one that drops to his ankles and stained wif white.
Post by: Harmonica on April 09, 2010, 11:11:42 pm
Could the brewer have a pint of beer in his hand? He's got to sample his output!
Only other thing for me was the stripes on the prisoner being slightly light perhaps, might look better if they were a tad darker.
Post by: Cheddarius on April 09, 2010, 11:15:21 pm
His beard should be ragged/hacked short.As he has no clothing, a short beard would introduce... other complications.
Post by: Sensei on April 09, 2010, 11:21:15 pm
However, I vote you keep the beard, if maybe make it more ragged. It makes it entirely clear that he's a dwarf at a glance.
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 08:14:27 am
(http://i41.tinypic.com/fnqvc9.png)
Trimmed up the surgeon, too.
I think I'll give the chefs that beard as well.
Keeps it out of the food as well as patients.
Post by: Cheddarius on April 10, 2010, 09:32:15 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 09:56:16 am
Have some new beards: (http://i41.tinypic.com/ta34wo.png)
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 10:11:28 am
Post by: MaxMan on April 10, 2010, 10:44:18 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 11:52:26 am
Everything has a placeholder now, except for the soldiers and any new stuff I'm missing.
Like I guess I'll need an arsenal dwarf and a chief medical dwarf. Is there anything else?
Aren't there more weapon classes in the new version? Like, dwarves can use pikes and stuff?
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 02:37:42 pm
[CHIEF_PHYSICIAN]
and [QUARTERMASTER]
I think all the classes and entities are filled!
Most of them are still just placeholders,
but now I can start crossing stuff out.
Let's watch the progress!
Post by: Cr9 on April 10, 2010, 04:25:07 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 06:19:05 pm
So, you know how I said I was working on nobles?
...that was a lie.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/4ql79l.png) brains...
Post by: Cheddarius on April 10, 2010, 06:25:21 pm
Also, I really like the second beard:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/ta34wo.png)
It's very blacksmithy.
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 07:53:43 pm
Executioner: (http://i40.tinypic.com/28v80ie.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on April 10, 2010, 08:21:51 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 08:38:07 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/25u5zed.png)
But yeah, I think I'm just about done
making undead and executioners and stuff.
Post by: Sensei on April 10, 2010, 09:01:42 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2010, 09:05:19 pm
I'm hitting the sack for the night, though.
I posted an updated sprite sheet to the OP.
Expect minimal updates over the next couple days.
I've got some projects I have to work on for school.
I'll be back.
Post by: Harmonica on April 10, 2010, 10:52:07 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 12, 2010, 01:47:21 pm
Dwarfs with hair! (http://i40.tinypic.com/351ift1.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on April 12, 2010, 02:07:34 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 12, 2010, 02:18:35 pm
I don't think I'm happy with the crossbow yet...
EDIT: Here is it on black (http://i44.tinypic.com/f0nbyx.png)
Post by: Ironhand on April 12, 2010, 06:33:21 pm
(http://i41.tinypic.com/21ch7jp.png)
and also a bunch of nobles like merchants or whatever,
and probably the chief diagnostician and stuff...
I don't like my scroll, though.
What am I doing wrong?
Does it look... thick?
Post by: Ultimuh on April 12, 2010, 06:43:25 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 12, 2010, 07:09:19 pm
Are these any better?
(http://i40.tinypic.com/14k8cgx.png)
Post by: Ultimuh on April 12, 2010, 07:10:00 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 12, 2010, 07:14:33 pm
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1127d4h.png)
Post by: Ultimuh on April 12, 2010, 07:18:30 pm
If neither works then maybe another color crosssbow would help?
If not then keep it as it is.
Post by: Sensei on April 12, 2010, 07:22:56 pm
I also don't think the crossbow should be over his back. It also doesn't have to be realistically small- this is DWARVEN engineering!
Post by: Ironhand on April 12, 2010, 08:57:56 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2hnqe82.png)
Post by: Ultimuh on April 12, 2010, 09:24:01 pm
Post by: Heron TSG on April 12, 2010, 10:03:58 pm
Lightening them helps too:That's a pretty neat bow he has thar.
(http://i40.tinypic.com/1127d4h.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on April 12, 2010, 10:51:45 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 13, 2010, 07:44:04 pm
(http://i44.tinypic.com/99l9na.png)
Sheriff, CotG, guard.
Post by: Bandages on April 13, 2010, 07:47:13 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on April 13, 2010, 07:57:06 pm
No blurryness here.
Post by: Bandages on April 13, 2010, 08:00:04 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on April 13, 2010, 08:03:30 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 13, 2010, 08:08:12 pm
I'm glad you like them.
It's gonna be a while, though...
I'm starting to realize what I got myself into.
Still, I will try to finish it. Your encouragement helps immensely.
Post by: Sensei on April 13, 2010, 08:39:57 pm
Post by: SiN.Daeus on April 13, 2010, 10:49:29 pm
Hey, check out this one!
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2hnqe82.png)
Personally, for an architect I believe the dwarf should be holding a set square or some kind of measuring instrument. As he has to go onsite so I presume he also measuring dimensions and stuff. That pic would be great for a book keeper. Also, to help define the ink quill, you should add a few darkish pixels at the nib to simulate ink.
Post by: Sensei on April 13, 2010, 11:04:01 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on April 14, 2010, 12:11:01 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 14, 2010, 07:35:36 am
And a bunch that are sort of half-done.
Like the soldiers (they're all the same).
I'll post an updated sprite sheet tonight.
There are about 130 dwarves to do, plus
humans, elves, goblins, orcs(?) and kobolds.
And a few hundred animals and monsters.
I like the square and compass idea. Definitely will make one.
That sprite doesn't have a quill... I'm not sure what you're seeing.
But I like that idea, too. So I think I'll add one of those as well.
Post by: Cheddarius on April 14, 2010, 01:00:54 pm
Well, great job so far. I look forward to seeing the completed set!
Post by: Ironhand on April 14, 2010, 05:40:31 pm
There's some new stuff on there.
Next update: Sunday.
Should be a good one.
Post by: Bandages on April 14, 2010, 06:02:00 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on April 14, 2010, 06:23:42 pm
Post by: SiN.Daeus on April 16, 2010, 02:37:03 am
That sprite doesn't have a quill... I'm not sure what you're seeing.
That thingy hes holding in his left hand (from our side) I presumed to be a writing implement. Or something.
Still, great work. This is A-wesome!
EDIT: About the slave, you could shorted his beard to ragged tufts and just add a loincloth to cover his undesirables.
Post by: Ironhand on April 18, 2010, 08:53:12 am
365 days is far too short a time to spend amongst such excellent and admirable dwarfs.
Which is, of course, why I intend to stick around for a while.
Anyway, in celebration of my first year on the forum, here's the military sprites!
(http://i42.tinypic.com/wwcaia.png)
And a drunk and some thieves.
Post by: Maldevious on April 18, 2010, 09:30:39 am
Post by: Cheddarius on April 18, 2010, 02:48:19 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 18, 2010, 05:18:54 pm
You'll never actually see them in the game,
unless you do some modding or whatever.
Everybody puts them in their graphics sets, though,
so I figured I might as well do the same. They're fun to draw.
Post by: Ironhand on April 18, 2010, 06:57:18 pm
Also, I'm going to ride that different-tiles-for-different-rock-layers craze that everybody seems to like.
Because I think it's pretty hot. I'm using the tiles that those guys made as bases for my 18-pixel ones.
Check out this lovely tiling:
(http://i39.tinypic.com/29e6ct0.png)
EDIT:
If you didn't notice, I decided to anti-alias the text in the tile set.
Because I just used a preexisting font. And I think it looks kinda nice.
Anyway, the tile set is now under way.
What do people think about walls? Square or diagonal?
Post by: Cheddarius on April 18, 2010, 07:16:22 pm
Post by: Zai on April 18, 2010, 07:18:04 pm
What do people think about walls? Square or diagonal?Definitely square for me.
You could just make two versions, one with square and one with diagonal. But it might seem kind of pointless.
Post by: Sensei on April 18, 2010, 08:09:03 pm
Post by: Heron TSG on April 18, 2010, 09:34:56 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 18, 2010, 11:08:20 pm
Rounded ones are sweet.Blasphemer! Curves? In a dwarf fortress? You must be mad!
Post by: Ironhand on April 19, 2010, 06:43:29 am
Cheddar: Traditional square tile sets like Mayday's are, well, square...
(http://www.dwarf-fortress.com/img/tileset_mayday.jpg)
More recently, a bunch of people have started jumping on the diagonal walls bandwagon.
Phoebus' new set is one of the ones that demonstrates that, but I can't find a good screenie of it.
I used to be a complete traditionalist with the square walls. I think I probably still am.
But I think I'll fiddle with the idea a bit and see what I can come up with.
The O vs pillar issue frustrates me to no end as well...
Post by: Robsoie on April 19, 2010, 07:59:55 am
Fabulous job !
Post by: Ironhand on April 19, 2010, 10:45:23 am
This is actually the first spriting I've really done.
I mean, I made a llama sprite to add to Sphr's set,
but I've never done anything from scratch before.
I'm finding I enjoy it quite a lot! It's also a lot of work!
Post by: Harmonica on April 19, 2010, 09:41:32 pm
Definitely voting square walls, although if you can make diagonal look less modern and un-dwarven then by all means go for it.
As for the stone and ore tiles: most importantly, don't make them absolutely punishing to look at. Some tile sets are like staring at magic eye posters. Bonus points for making valuable ores look like they are supposed to look (within reason) - most of the RAWs default tile-numbers that people use in sets are not correct. It's totally okay to leave a lot of stone types as plain/shaded colour rock. There are only a handful of actual minerals in the game that should have any colour other than grey.
edit: also you realise this thread is not in modding where it might get a bigger audience?
Post by: Cheddarius on April 19, 2010, 09:58:24 pm
There are only a handful of actual minerals in the game that should have any colour other than grey.I respectfully disagree. I'd rather have easy-to-identify minerals than realistic ones. Particularly, I'd like valuable ores - copper, iron, gold - to have very distinctive colors.
Post by: Ironhand on April 20, 2010, 05:53:01 pm
I haven't actually done any pixel art before. I mean, I've made an icon or two, but never anything remotely like this.
I think I'll leave my thread here. But maybe I'll toss a redirect thread in modding to let people know if they haven't seen it yet.
Also, this is the last week of classes for this semester for me. So this week and next week (finals), don't expect anything at all.
But right after that, I'll have two solid weeks to sprite. I'm going to aim for a big release on my birthday (May 16th).
Also also, I'm loving this new forum!
I don't know about you guys, but mine's running noticeably faster.
Anyway, cheers for a couple weeks. I will return, and I will bring lovely gifts for you all.
Post by: Cheddarius on April 20, 2010, 07:06:13 pm
Post by: Sensei on April 20, 2010, 07:33:10 pm
Personally, i can't wait until we can assign them graphics tiles...There are only a handful of actual minerals in the game that should have any colour other than grey.I respectfully disagree. I'd rather have easy-to-identify minerals than realistic ones. Particularly, I'd like valuable ores - copper, iron, gold - to have very distinctive colors.
Post by: SiN.Daeus on April 21, 2010, 01:52:21 am
I think, for the drunk you should add beer stains onto his shirt. Also, maybe the wrestler be standing in a 'power pose' and have his arms out, ready to fight. Also, the mace for the macedwarf is kinda hard to see. And the Elite Sworddorf should have his sword up cause it makes him more distinguishable.
Post by: Arucard on April 21, 2010, 06:44:00 am
Post by: hermano on April 21, 2010, 09:03:03 am
Post by: Harmonica on April 22, 2010, 05:21:12 am
There are only a handful of actual minerals in the game that should have any colour other than grey.I respectfully disagree. I'd rather have easy-to-identify minerals than realistic ones. Particularly, I'd like valuable ores - copper, iron, gold - to have very distinctive colors.
Well, what I meant was, there are only a few that take colour in real life. So yes you can have gold be gold and iron be brown and so on, but there's not much point in having every stone multi-coloured since they're all relatively useless. Bauxite for example is bright red, when it's grey in real life and looks much better in game as a dull stone tile. There are lots that should be plain white, like chalk, and don't lose anything for being so.
In my tileset, I use the icons to separate the special ones (gold, copper, etc) from the useless stones. Gold and copper look different in the walls and when dug out, for example.
Post by: Cheddarius on April 22, 2010, 09:05:51 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 22, 2010, 01:01:17 pm
use a gritty, soberly colored stone set. Easier on the eyes and kinda immersive.
It also helps deal with the issue of sharp tile edges because they're all so similar.
Although, I also kinda like making colorful fortresses, with patterns and brightly
colored rooms for nobles or dining halls. But I guess you can use metal for that...
Right now I'm thinking I want more of a walls-look-like-walls kind of thing,
where the differences between different types of natural stone are very subtle,
because I feel like that will allow people to differentiate without destroying the
lovely symmetry of their fortresses. I'm totally open to suggestions, though.
Gosh, this week is rough! Still no new art. I've barely had time to breathe.
Post by: Harmonica on April 23, 2010, 09:17:43 pm
Having certain types use strata like formations, and others use solid colour or simple hashing is quite nice. Also gold using lumpy rocks, and copper using nuggets, and so on.
Remember you can change the tiles for when they are dug out of the wall to something different (I have pretty much all stone as just a pile of rubble, with useful stuff individual looking).
Post by: Ironhand on April 24, 2010, 10:49:33 am
I thought it was always just boulders for rocks and *s for ore...
Post by: Harmonica on April 24, 2010, 11:59:45 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 24, 2010, 12:02:36 pm
Post by: jarganaut on April 24, 2010, 12:52:25 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 25, 2010, 08:43:42 am
Quote from: The Development Logs
...the SDL/OpenGL/40d# merge is underway...
(http://i40.tinypic.com/wwdkdx.png) Yay.
Post by: Sensei on April 25, 2010, 11:55:13 am
Post by: Cheddarius on April 25, 2010, 12:51:20 pm
i don't even
Post by: Heron TSG on April 25, 2010, 02:15:59 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 26, 2010, 06:21:23 pm
Here's a teaser of the tiling stone tiles I've been making:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2wg5en8.png)
A couple of them (mostly the one in the middle)
are based on ones that I took from other people.
But most of them I slapped together from scratch.
I should have a pretty nearly finished tileset soon.
It's pretty sweet. Looking forward to showing it off.
Post by: Cheddarius on April 26, 2010, 06:42:14 pm
Post by: Maldevious on April 26, 2010, 06:44:11 pm
Post by: blub-dwarf on April 27, 2010, 07:30:14 am
is it possible to implement your actuall dwarfs?
i would like to merge your dwarfs with mayday till u are finished if this is allowed
the second point is i want to see how they look ingame i tryed some graphics mod who looked good as png or bmp but bad ingame
thanks for your advice
Post by: Ironhand on April 27, 2010, 07:55:39 am
So unless you resize one or the other, not so much.
However, I plan to release a test version as soon as the merge happens.
So hopefully just a couple days and you'll get the whole package at once.
Post by: blub-dwarf on April 27, 2010, 08:31:09 am
i will be waiting ^^
Post by: Outcast Orange on April 27, 2010, 08:56:40 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 27, 2010, 10:20:37 am
There's 256 tiles there.
A lot of them I drew from scratch.
A lot of them I swiped from other sets.
It's gonna get edited before the release, particularly:
- O is gonna get merged into the walls a bit,
- the walls themselves are gonna get a bit of texture
- I'm not happy with the generic grey/greyer/greyest tiles
- What do people do with the toy tile? I made a puzzlebox...
- Barrels might need some work if they don't use a BG color
- A couple are blurry because I just scaled them up from other
sets (the floor hatch and the downward staircase, for example)
Anyway, feel free to admire what's there.
I'm looking forward to trying this out in-game!
Post by: Ironhand on April 27, 2010, 03:05:24 pm
(http://i44.tinypic.com/k52yhu.png)
Are you pumped? I'm pumped.
Post by: Maldevious on April 27, 2010, 04:18:33 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 27, 2010, 05:26:57 pm
But whatever. I think they're nice.
I slapped that texture onto the font, as well.
And ramps. And punctuation. It's cool. Check it out.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2z6rxqv.png)
Dwarfs aren't in yet. That's just a manual proof of concept.
...the concept that the dwarfs look good with the tiles. = P
Anyway, I might work on letter spacing a little bit.
I didn't pick the best font for a monospace game.
Post by: smigenboger on April 27, 2010, 05:30:19 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 27, 2010, 05:35:32 pm
I could give megabeasts wings and tails and stuff.
But alas, no. The only multi-tile creatures are wagons.
Post by: blub-dwarf on April 27, 2010, 06:11:01 pm
is it just this wall or wont there be a bevel?
Post by: Ironhand on April 27, 2010, 06:16:06 pm
I'm partial to the square ones, but I know some people like diagonal ones.
Post by: Harmonica on April 28, 2010, 02:31:06 am
Post by: blub-dwarf on April 28, 2010, 02:59:50 pm
some idea about the mining dwarf ^^
a candle in an hand?
its dark down there :P
ps i like the walls too
Post by: Sensei on April 28, 2010, 07:51:19 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 28, 2010, 07:59:32 pm
First, though, I have two more final exams.
On Friday I will be free to return to spriting.
Post by: smigenboger on April 28, 2010, 08:34:31 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 28, 2010, 08:47:47 pm
And again, yes, that would be awesome.
Post by: Deon on April 29, 2010, 07:23:41 am
Here's a hill-dwarf whore for you to celebrate your success.
(http://www.imagechicken.com/uploads/1272547593065705500.png)
Sorry, no blackjack tables for now. Wait for the next caravan.
Post by: Ironhand on April 30, 2010, 08:15:41 pm
I will now proceed to spend the next two weeks spriting,
with no petty school work to distract me from what's truly important.
Let's crank us out some dwarfs.
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 01, 2010, 05:21:42 am
Post by: janekk on May 01, 2010, 07:16:22 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 10:04:29 am
Started working on nobles.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/b6xyqw.png)
Baron, count, duke.
I'm not done with them yet.
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 10:39:22 am
(http://i43.tinypic.com/e3vuw.png)
Post by: Heron TSG on May 01, 2010, 10:40:14 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 11:08:57 am
Post by: Maldevious on May 01, 2010, 11:46:55 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 12:00:37 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/x7i8o.png)
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 12:15:07 pm
RantingRodent did different sprites for females!
That is the coolest thing I've seen in quite a while.
I need to jump on this bandwagon.
...I guess I'll finish the male set first.
But that is definitely going to happen.
I'll be able to do stuff like only giving male lions manes, too.
I'm so excited!
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 01:00:07 pm
(http://i41.tinypic.com/akwsqu.png)
Now you won't get confused when your baron becomes a count, or whatever.
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 01, 2010, 05:03:20 pm
one question
for training i will be moveing back to 40d
will it be possible to use your comeing seting for the older version too?
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 05:31:17 pm
When the merge happens, I'll spend a day fiddling with RAWs.
I can make you a 0.29 version in addition to my 0.31 version.
Don't know why you wouldn't want to play 0.31, though.
It's pretty awesome.
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 01, 2010, 05:36:54 pm
but my main problem is i learned the game to play 1 year ago
in 31 is very much new it seems so the most guides are for 40d and not for 31
havent found a realy good starting guide for the new version so it seems iam forced to learn with 40d first and after that change to 31 and just learn the changes ^^
not a good idea?
Post by: Ironhand on May 01, 2010, 05:45:02 pm
Honestly, all the stuff for 40d still applies to 0.31.
The hotkeys are the same and you need to do the same stuff.
There's weird stuff like irrigating soil and whatever, but I think you
can probably manage to figure that all out. Totally your call, though.
It's easier for me if I only have to release one version, but
I might go back and patch together some old version anyway.
Personally, I love the new version. I don't plan to regress at all.
Although right now I'm using 40d to test out my transparent tiles.
As soon as the merge happens, I'm ditching good old 0.29 it for good.
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 01, 2010, 05:49:56 pm
i give v31 a second try ^^
thx
Post by: Harmonica on May 02, 2010, 12:04:24 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 02, 2010, 06:31:21 am
The only major difference is going through the RAW files for stone,
since I'm going to change which tile a bunch of the stone walls use.
Post by: Cheddarius on May 02, 2010, 01:09:51 pm
and making sure the raws point to the right tiles.This is important.
Haha, some noble just walked into his room. Time to die! *locks door*
Some time later...
Urist McDeathbringer, Champion Marksdwarf, has died.
Post by: hermano on May 02, 2010, 03:31:15 pm
An example of a definition for the old matgloss files:
Code: [Select]
[TYPE:40D_STONE]
[FILE:matgloss_stone_mineral.txt]
[OBJECT:MATGLOSS_STONE]
[TILEDATA:TILE:COLOR]
So it shouldn't be too much work then.
Post by: Ironhand on May 02, 2010, 03:49:54 pm
I might just do that.
0.31 is the first priority, though.
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 08:05:01 am
(http://i44.tinypic.com/21jp0dl.png)
Post by: Maldevious on May 03, 2010, 08:49:06 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 08:56:59 am
The tileset is updated again.
The ,.;' ground tiles are nicer now.
There are a couple other new tiles in there as well.
Downwards staircases and barrels and bins and stuff.
You can slap that .png into 40d if you want to check it out.
Otherwise, I'm hoping the merge is just another day or two yet.
Oh, here's a question:
What do you guys think about militia captains and militia commanders?
Will they maintain their weapon profession if I don't assign them a specific sprite?
If so, would you rather they use a weapon sprite or a new (weapon-generic) captain/commander sprite?
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 10:31:28 am
Bit of a stroke of genius here.
This is how I'm gonna do trees.
Check it out:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/rupf2u.png)
Since my backgrounds are already mostly black,
I can just paint that in, which lets me use the
tile background color as the color of the trunk!
So now, the trunks of trees will always be brown,
and one tile covers a tree through all the seasons!
This way I'll be able to make half a dozen different
trees, so the forests should look pretty awesome.
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 03, 2010, 12:07:37 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 12:41:57 pm
(http://i41.tinypic.com/34pf292.png)
This is gonna be pretty cool.
Post by: Ultimuh on May 03, 2010, 02:30:23 pm
Anyway, great as always. :D
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 04:04:00 pm
Oh, and also, sorry if someone's already mentioned this or you personally did, but what about animals and creatures other than dwarves and skeletons/zombies? I don't happen to see them either in you pictures or on "the list".
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 04:09:42 pm
They're under "eventual goals", right above that.
Post by: Char13magne on May 03, 2010, 04:20:26 pm
Animals are on the list, yeah. Just not that list.
They're under "eventual goals", right above that.
Okay, thanks.
Post by: Cheddarius on May 03, 2010, 06:19:47 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 06:28:40 pm
(http://i41.tinypic.com/otzo00.png)
The new underground is gonna be pretty.
Almost 200 different mushrooms from 1 tile.
Post by: Bandages on May 03, 2010, 06:31:28 pm
Holy flup, I love them.
Post by: Cheddarius on May 03, 2010, 06:36:44 pm
So are mushrooms randomized or something? So a field of plump helmets could have many different colors?
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 06:38:30 pm
But unless you come up with 200 different species of fungus,
you can make each and every type look distinct from the rest.
8) I'm pretty sure this is the coolest tile I've ever made.
Post by: Ironhand on May 03, 2010, 08:56:00 pm
Dragonflies, fairies and butterflies.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/345zb03.png)
Tile magic is my new thing.
So many tiles benefit from a second color!
I'm gonna do all my plants like this tomorrow!
I'm also standardizing my tileset some more.
By tomorrow night it will be (more) beautiful.
Good night, forum.
Post by: Cheddarius on May 03, 2010, 09:01:03 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 07:28:07 am
MAGIC ^^
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2432atx.png)
Post by: DrD_AVEL on May 04, 2010, 07:45:15 am
MAGIC ^^
It's wonderful! You are the Wizard of The Mountains! (%
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 08:09:57 am
just so I can play with all my colorful plants.
Anyway,
vermin magic!
(http://i39.tinypic.com/27yd0rl.png)
Snakes, squirrels and frogs.
Post by: Heron TSG on May 04, 2010, 08:11:51 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 11:17:35 am
I can turn a squirrel into a frog.
I made some normal trees,
to be used for maps.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2zpm460.png)
Boring.
But necessary.
Post by: Harmonica on May 04, 2010, 12:03:02 pm
Excellent. This is glorious. You're onto a winner :)
Post by: Deon on May 04, 2010, 01:19:45 pm
It almost makes me want to start using a botany mod,Wow... I cannot describe how awesome is it.
just so I can play with all my colorful plants.
Anyway,
vermin magic!
(http://i39.tinypic.com/27yd0rl.png)
Snakes, squirrels and frogs.
Also mind if I suggest you to use a darker tile with some visible waves for the sand/water texture (tiles 126 and 247) to make them a)look like sand/water; b)make them better distinguishable from walls.
Okay, now THIS is fun!I will add a mushroom for almost each combination for you :P.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/otzo00.png)
The new underground is gonna be pretty.
Almost 200 different mushrooms from 1 tile.
P.S. You're awesome. You idea is really creative, I wonder why nobody has used it before. I tried and it works perfectly:
*** Spider/ant on the same tile:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/nva8uq.png)
Thank you :).
P.P.S. On your pics it looks like the both colors are shaded. How do you achieve it? AFAIK one of them should be unshaded purple.
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 02:06:39 pm
Also mind if I suggest you to use a darker tile with some visible waves for the sand/water texture (tiles 126 and 247) to make them a)look like sand/water; b)make them better distinguishable from walls.
I don't think it will be an issue. What you're seeing isn't actually grey, but transparent.
Those tiles will be mostly black in-game.
P.S. You're awesome. You idea is really creative, I wonder why nobody has used it before. I tried and it works perfectly:
*** Spider/ant on the same tile:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/nva8uq.png)
Thank you :).
And thank you! It is pretty cool, though, right?
Hopefully people will start jumping on the bandwagon!
P.P.S. On your pics it looks like the both colors are shaded. How do you achieve it? AFAIK one of them should be unshaded purple.
Heh. = P
Pretty cool, right?
Semi-transparent black pixels.
That's the beauty of using a .PNG,
rather than a bitmap on magenta.
It's also the reason that I'm waiting for the merge.
Post by: Deon on May 04, 2010, 02:13:06 pm
Quote
Semi-transparent black pixels.Ah I forgot that's it for the merged version :). I thought that it's some visual trick on bmp which makes an eye to see them shaded (I didn't zoom yet).
That's the beauty of using a .PNG
Post by: Jiri Petru on May 04, 2010, 04:16:33 pm
I can't use your tileset because my screen resolution is not that big but I can't wait till others start using the same methods.
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 04:38:05 pm
Here's another one:
Spiders and crabs
(http://i44.tinypic.com/214yr84.png)
Post by: Bandages on May 04, 2010, 05:59:10 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 06:07:35 pm
But what does the game have?... Fire snakes. And worms.
I don't feel that those two vermin deserve a tile of their own.
Wouldn't you rather have another type of tree, or something?
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 06:30:51 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/2lt4ch.png)
Post by: Maldevious on May 04, 2010, 06:43:01 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2010, 06:49:40 pm
Colorful ores! (http://i41.tinypic.com/mhcdpu.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on May 04, 2010, 06:56:31 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on May 04, 2010, 11:38:18 pm
I might hack in bisasam's font because it would go perfectly with this set.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: HLBeta on May 05, 2010, 01:39:55 am
(http://i41.tinypic.com/4h9ls6.png)
Post by: Gorfob on May 05, 2010, 01:44:31 am
I would give many thumbs up for a 24x24 version. That would be amazing beyond words.
Post by: ungulateman on May 05, 2010, 02:56:35 am
Utter genius.
Subscribing, by the way.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 03:37:43 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 06:08:16 am
@Gorfob: Don't count on a 24x24. But I dunno. It might be fun like I said at first to use these dwarves
as they are in a 24x24 set, so that megabeasts and giants can actually look huge in comparison to them.
Again, though, don't count on it. And certainly not until I'm done with this one.
@HLBeta: Lol. Cloak and hood and mittens. The classiest of apparel.
I think I'll probably go with a more... traditional vestment, though. = P
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 08:47:07 am
There are a lot of critters.
186 different ones. Most of those with babies and undead sprites, too.
So maybe going on 700 different sprites.
I'm surprised at how many are fish, though.
Those can just use my tile for a now.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 08:48:04 am
Changing the order I apply graphics in won't mess anything up, right?
Also, I saw in some of the other sets, every now and again there's a graphic definition with (()) instead of []
Is that just like a way of commenting it out or something?
Post by: Raz on May 05, 2010, 09:37:09 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 09:41:58 am
For now I'm still waiting on the merge.
Here's a mockup that I posted a while ago, though.
It doesn't show off the tilemagic stuff, but you get the idea.
Spoiler: Most of you guys have already seen this (click to show/hide)
Post by: hermano on May 05, 2010, 10:44:58 am
The idea of creating several different tiles by combining different color combinations is just pure genious. I love the squirrel/snake/frog tile. This finally breaks the restriction on available tiles, I'm excited to see what else you come up with.
I suppose there is no way around using your set when the merge finally arrives. Great work!
Also did you already create mixed colors by using foreground colors with transparency:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2iqname.png)
Here the background is red, foreground yellow. With different transparency values you get different shades of orange (creating the 'sun' here)... So you don't have just two colors with different brightness but all intermediate colors between them.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 11:11:59 am
For example, the body of the butterfly is the colors of its upper and lower wings mixed.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 12:13:32 pm
I designed the critters sheet!
There's four tiles per critter, for
adult, child, zombie and skeleton.
The sheet (right now it's just text)
can be seen in the OP. It is very nice.
I know some critters don't have all of those,
so the sheet might get compacted down later.
But for now, there it is! That should cover everything.
Oh, and by the way...
There are llamas in my graphics set.
If you want my graphics, you get llamas.
I see it as kind of a signature on my art,
so you will take them and you will like them.
If they really, really bother you, you can
just erase that entry from your raws.
But who doesn't want llamas, seriously?
Llamas are awesome.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 05, 2010, 12:23:22 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 12:27:21 pm
;D
That was quick!
Post by: Chariot on May 05, 2010, 01:54:24 pm
I designed the critters sheet!
There's four tiles per critter, for
adult, child, zombie and skeleton.
Something to note: rather than just dogs, in the 2010 versions there are 20 animals trainable to hunting/war varieties, which can have separate graphics. There is a list of them on the kennel page of the wiki.
Also, a number of creatures such as ogres, gremlins, trolls, etc give birth to babies first instead of just children. These can of course have baby graphics in addition to child graphics.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 02:04:08 pm
Oh, wow. That is COOL.
War polar bears. ^^ Yay.
Thanks for the heads up.
I will reformat a bit.
EDIT: On the other hand,
I think I'll not worry about it yet.
I'll definitely have extra tiles, since
I can reuse some skeletal graphics,
so I'll probably just fit them in wherever.
Still, the prospect of drawing armored dragons and bears and eagles excites me.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 02:38:40 pm
But it's also a hundred sprites that I don't have to worry about for now.
Anyway, once I finish everything else, I think I'll probably go back to that,
just in case he ever does implement it.
Ah, well. I will just make critters.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 05, 2010, 02:49:24 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 02:52:13 pm
Sometimes I go days without making any;
sometimes I crank out half a dozen in 20 minutes.
One thing you can be sure of is that the ~800 critter sprites will take a while.
And that the first release will be very very far from complete.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 05:57:14 pm
I mean cat.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/i2n1ad.png)
lined:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/dddjwz.png)
The kitten is a WIP.
But you get the idea.
Anyway, I'm still deciding how I want to outline them.
I'm thinking I might do something like Phoebus does,
with the outline being the transparency/status color.
Except mine will be antialiased.
Post by: Cheddarius on May 05, 2010, 06:02:39 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 06:15:12 pm
Remember that that's not how he'll look in-game.
Usually he'll be on black, and those two will be nearly identical.
What we need to decide is how we want status effects to look.
So here's a couple examples of different transparency maps:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/1i7hd.png)
How do people like their falling cats?
Personally, I'm kinda liking the second-to-last one.
The last one is pretty nice too, I think. That's what Phoebus does.
You're right, though. The outlined ones look the best.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 06:16:08 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 06:21:36 pm
Which transparency map do you like best?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 06:23:36 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on May 05, 2010, 06:27:49 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on May 05, 2010, 06:31:17 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 06:41:35 pm
Okay, so I'm feeling the love on these faded backgrounds.
Now the question becomes... how much?
(http://i44.tinypic.com/qq65uh.png)
I think I like the dark ones.
You guys?
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 06:42:32 pm
Post by: Maldevious on May 05, 2010, 06:45:14 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on May 05, 2010, 06:46:33 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on May 05, 2010, 06:47:00 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 06:57:43 pm
This is fun. I have fans.
Personally, I'm not so much in favor of the fifth one...
simply because you'll get a sharp square with the surrounding tiles:
(http://i40.tinypic.com/2v2w29t.png)
rather than a nice, self-contained glow like this:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2zrhkbt.png)
And while I'm at it, here it is outlined:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/10dy6g8.png)
I think I might be liking the non-outlined one now.
Without the outline, you get more blue, so you can see what's going on.
I think I'll leave it for a couple days and see what other people's opinions are.
I'm liking those two now, though. I think it's gonna be one of those, more or less.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 05, 2010, 07:09:29 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on May 05, 2010, 07:10:03 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 05, 2010, 07:12:11 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 07:37:11 pm
Also, my dwarves already have sharp edges,
so it'll be easier to make them match up with those.
Post by: Gorfob on May 05, 2010, 08:07:41 pm
As for the 24x24 question. Having an actual size difference would be 100% ownage. 18x18 is perfect for now though. Keep it up.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 08:19:58 pm
(http://i43.tinypic.com/14xp8ie.png)
Woop woop~
Four sprites in one day!
At this rate, I'll be done by...
...November.
...
:-\
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 05, 2010, 08:21:27 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 08:48:07 pm
That's, like, a COMPLETELY DONE deadline.
And chances are I'll get faster at spriting.
And maybe I'll learn animal anatomy.
I tell you what, every critter I make looks like a llama.
I had to re-do that cat like three times before it looked feline.
I'll get faster.
And anyway, how often do you see, for example, a skeletal cyclops?
I'll get the important sprites done first, so it'll seem a lot more done than it is.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2010, 09:06:43 pm
So when Toady merges, I should be able to turn around and give you guys a working test version right away.
For dwarves, I patched in all the placeholders. For animals, they'll just keep their letters until I finish the sprites.
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 06, 2010, 03:22:57 am
I really like the outlined version.
Also, to make the dog easier distinguished from the cat, you should change colour... maybe make a grey or white cat? Helps with eye strain.
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 05:18:21 am
(http://i39.tinypic.com/okbf4z.png)
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 07:05:43 am
Hey, is it possible to make a tile especially for war/hunting animals?
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 07:06:32 am
And yes, war polar bears will have armor. 8)
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 07:09:55 am
I have a suggestion, if that's OK with you.
All war animals should have huge spiked collars and red eyes, while the hunting dog looks like it's pointing, ala the cartoons, I mean if you want.
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 07:12:01 am
But I could definitely go for spiked collars.
For now,
beasts of burden:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/qzrpdf.png)
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 07:12:28 am
I wish I had your mad skills, Ironhand.
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 07:24:29 am
Honestly, I didn't think I even did pixel art until I started this project.
Now I've totally fallen in love with it! And I'm better at it than I thought I'd be.
Also, you can call me Jacob.
(Do people use their real names on forums? Not really, huh? I'll be weird, I guess)
Post by: ungulateman on May 06, 2010, 07:28:09 am
Most people like privacy on the internet, so they don't use their real names.
(Charlie, btw.)
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 07:28:52 am
(Joseph, here. It's the closest I can go without embarrassing my self.)
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 08:02:03 am
Here, check it out this example:
Code: [Select]
[OBJECT:GRAPHICS]
[TILE_PAGE:CRITTER] This is what you are calling the page
[FILE:critters.png] This is the name of the image file from which you're pulling sprites
[TILE_DIM:18:18] This is the size of each sprite (width:height)
[PAGE_DIM:40:20] This is the number of sprites on the page
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:CAT] This has to be the same as the creature tag in the RAWs
[DEFAULT:CRITTER:0:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT] (CRITTER is the name of the page)
(0:0 is the location on the page; here, top-left),
(AS_IS just means you don't want the game to do any coloring for you)
[CHILD:CRITTER:1:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT] Kitten
[ZOMBIE:CRITTER:2:0:AS_IS:ZOMBIE] and undead
[SKELETON:CRITTER:3:0:AS_IS:SKELETON]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:DOG]
[DEFAULT:CRITTER:0:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CHILD:CRITTER:1:1:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ZOMBIE:CRITTER:2:1:AS_IS:ZOMBIE]
[SKELETON:CRITTER:3:1:AS_IS:SKELETON]
[TRAINED_HUNTER:ANIMAL:0:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TRAINED_WAR:ANIMAL:1:2:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
etc.
Professions are the same deal,
but it's all under the same definition:
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:DWARF]
[STANDARD:DWARVES:0:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DEFAULT:DWARVES:0:0:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
[CHILD:DWARVES:1:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BABY:DWARVES:2:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SLAVE:DWARVES:3:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
...
etc.
More on-track:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/20pztie.png) Moo.
I think she's a little too grey, maybe.
I might make her more like the color of the horse.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 08:03:26 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 08:32:08 am
Jacob likes bagpipes, the color yellow, and
llamas
(http://i43.tinypic.com/25gz0ut.png)
for their peerless beauty.
^^
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 08:33:18 am
<3 they are so cute.
Post by: ungulateman on May 06, 2010, 08:37:03 am
I could go on, but suffice it to say that the llamas near my former home can predict the future.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 06, 2010, 08:39:05 am
BTW my name is:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 08:42:14 am
I tried doing a Holstein kind of thing,
but with so few pixels it didn't look good.
I might give it another shot later...
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 09:01:47 am
(http://i41.tinypic.com/etv8rt.png)
Now on to offspring.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 06, 2010, 09:44:59 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
some adorable cows just for fun
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 10:09:18 am
(http://i42.tinypic.com/348n8ec.png)
Post by: Bishop36 on May 06, 2010, 10:14:56 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 10:18:46 am
(alliteration!)
(http://i40.tinypic.com/ac305t.png)
...Do they look sort of like bunnies, or is it just me?
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 10:23:57 am
(http://i44.tinypic.com/hx9aia.png)
That's better.
Post by: Ultimuh on May 06, 2010, 10:25:31 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 10:41:19 am
Good call.
Also,
(http://i43.tinypic.com/30wxnb6.png)
Post by: Maldevious on May 06, 2010, 10:45:09 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 06, 2010, 11:05:24 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 11:20:56 am
Warning:
devastatingly cute.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/63x8ar.png)
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 12:32:44 pm
...
ZOMBIES!
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2j5yyxz.png)
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 12:37:43 pm
Also, Jacob, is it alright if you make the full job list for elves? pweetty pweeeees
*yes I mod them to have more jobs and stuff*
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 12:42:09 pm
They're also one of my lowest priorities right now.
But yeah, I think that could probably happen later.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 12:43:16 pm
Thanks! ;D
Wow, this is a lot of awesome stuff you are doing here. I wish I had your work ethic.
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 12:50:42 pm
I'm absolutely awful about finishing projects.
You guys are gonna have your work cut out for you pushing me to finish this one.
Anyway, these sprites are actually a lot of fun!
It's good to take a break from the dwarves.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 06, 2010, 12:53:35 pm
will do, pardner.
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 12:56:19 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/xpdngw.png)
Dang, he's nice. = P
Post by: Wavecutter on May 06, 2010, 01:28:38 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 01:54:59 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/35bt8xh.png)
The cat looks sort of like a monkey.
I'll probably re-use the sprite, actually.
I am very happy with it.
Post by: Ultimuh on May 06, 2010, 01:57:43 pm
(cat AND dog)
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 02:15:03 pm
Good call on the legs, though.
This helps a bit:
(http://i44.tinypic.com/2dv09qd.png)
I think I'll go straighten out his back leg too.
...
Also,
(http://i39.tinypic.com/24fei6a.png)
I'm gonna use this one for donkeys, mules and horses.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 06, 2010, 02:16:55 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 02:18:22 pm
I'll probably change it a bit, but it'll work very well as a monkey.
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 02:27:36 pm
for their haunting moos.
Post by: Krumbs on May 06, 2010, 02:30:46 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 02:39:55 pm
Seriously, though, are they too similar? I guess maybe the cow is pretty close...
I mean, they're just supposed to be the same animal after it's been dead a couple days.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 06, 2010, 02:55:53 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 06, 2010, 03:05:06 pm
I'm glad to hear that from a more casual observer.
Wow! I got a lot done today!
I'm feeling much better about the overall timeline now.
I'm so ready for the merge.... who wants to bet we'll get it tomorrow?
Post by: Wavecutter on May 06, 2010, 03:27:54 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on May 06, 2010, 05:59:35 pm
(http://i39.tinypic.com/35bt8xh.png)The dog looks a bit off. The mouth, mostly.
Post by: Sensei on May 06, 2010, 09:16:52 pm
Also I have absolutely no problem with the undead creatures. You still may try making it more obvious (green rotting flesh maybe?) for the benefit of people with crummy monitors, or whatever hangups.
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 07, 2010, 02:25:39 am
Yeah, those dog mouths are funky.
Also I have absolutely no problem with the undead creatures. You still may try making it more obvious (green rotting flesh maybe?) for the benefit of people with crummy monitors, or whatever hangups.
I agree. When there are loads of things on screen, and its 2 in the morning, a little bit of green flesh can make the difference between dead dorfs and living dorfs.
Post by: Ironhand on May 07, 2010, 07:00:28 am
On the other hand, I think I actually like the cartoony trees better than the two-tone ones anyway.
Plus this way I get like three more tiles freed up for other plants or vermin or whatever. So it's cool.
This is gonna be pretty sweet, by the way. I'm so stoked.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 07, 2010, 07:02:29 am
Okay, I'll shut up now.
Post by: Cheddarius on May 07, 2010, 08:56:58 am
Post by: Harmonica on May 07, 2010, 11:21:40 am
Quick, make something crappy so I don't have to continually praise you in every post!
edit: your skeletal dogs look like monkeys, for me.
Post by: Ironhand on May 07, 2010, 11:36:26 am
But yeah, I'm just leaving the skeletal dog in there so you guys have something to complain about. ;)
Anyway, I patched together a relatively ugly .bmp version in 0.31.03 and started digging around.
In the deep, muddy places of the world I discovered some logical uglies. They are fixed now.
Also, I might change my mind again about being able to do two-color trees. I think I can.
But that probably won't happen for 0.10. It'll be an upgrade later if it does happen.
Anyway, I also took the opportunity to map all the raws using hermano's tile selector (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=54669.0).
Which is spectacularly awesome, by the way. If you ever do any modding of your own, I highly recommend it.
So anyway, I pretty much have the 0.10 build sitting in a folder on my desktop now. Now it's all up to Toady One.
I think I'll spend the rest of the afternoon trying to get some dwarf sprites made so v0.10 can be a little more complete.
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 07, 2010, 12:05:48 pm
i am realy awaiting it
hope it will be out soon ^^ i know it wont be near complete but thats full ok with me ^^
Post by: Maldevious on May 07, 2010, 12:11:30 pm
I'm also thinking of sending it to my friend who had trouble with DF with other tilesets and see if I can't get him to give it another shot. These tiles look really good, keep up the good work.
Post by: Ironhand on May 07, 2010, 12:40:43 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Obviously, most of my two-color tiles don't work since I can't use .png.
But the graphics are all in, and it's all working like a charm!
And I got sapling_tiles working. See the tiny shrooms?
Also, Jabberers really like ripping dwarves' limbs off.
I suggest you avoid them if you go spelunking.
... I get the feeling that the more complete my graphics set becomes,
the more inclined I will be to play with it rather than work on it. ::)
Post by: Deon on May 07, 2010, 12:52:26 pm
Otherwise it's awesome.
I wish you could draw some insects for my Wasteland mod :3. Can you do it PLEEEEEASE? I love your art :3.
Post by: Ironhand on May 07, 2010, 12:56:50 pm
So far I haven't been able to get a good feel for how my tiles look in the game.
Once version 0.10 is out, I'll be able to tell much easier when problems like this arise.
The priority right now is the core/raw stuff. But once I'm done with all that I think I might
start taking requests from people to fill in my set with some graphics for popular mods.
For now, though, go ahead and use whatever sprites and tiles from my set that you want.
I appreciate credit for them, of course.
...
Hey, sweet. One of my guys got up to elite wrestler before the Jabberer ripped him to shreds.
In fact,
Eshtan Stokewound has been ecstatic lately. He lost a friend to tragedy recently. He became caught up in a new romance recently. He has complained about the draft lately. He has witnessed death. He sustained major injuries recently. ...his upper body is torn open. His left upper arm is gone.
Love is a wonderful thing, I guess.
Anyway, he's an elite wrestler, and he has a cape.
So that sprite works too! 8)
When I release it, I'm just gonna assume stuff works.
You guys are willing to do my playtesting for me, right? ;)
Post by: Wavecutter on May 07, 2010, 01:09:55 pm
Post by: Deon on May 07, 2010, 01:24:01 pm
Also, you haven't answered me about the insects (http://i39.tinypic.com/so50g9.gif)
Post by: Ironhand on May 07, 2010, 01:35:11 pm
The priority right now is the core/raw stuff.
So that's a not right now.
If you want to give me the raws, though,
I might take a look at them when I take a break from dwarves.
Post by: Aklyon on May 07, 2010, 02:38:57 pm
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 07, 2010, 02:48:39 pm
iam just a DF beginner but iam realy a pixel nerd ^^
so i can be realy piky ^^
Post by: Ironhand on May 07, 2010, 03:04:43 pm
If any of you people are interested.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 07, 2010, 10:29:05 pm
Post by: Aklyon on May 07, 2010, 10:57:39 pm
I was really hoping for the graphics merge today so I could play with your tile set all weekend :(Also was I, even though only today heard of it was.
Post by: Ironhand on May 08, 2010, 07:08:09 am
Ah, well. Guess I'll make some dwarves.
I'm out of excuses for procrastination...
Post by: Ironhand on May 08, 2010, 07:34:59 am
(http://i39.tinypic.com/96gx05.png)
I gave a carving knife to the surgeon, as well.
A cleaver would have been a bit much, I think.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 08, 2010, 07:42:41 am
Post by: Aklyon on May 08, 2010, 08:08:21 am
Looks like he's holding a rock in his right hand.He must've been an Adventurer. who else would keep a rock instead of storing it?
Post by: Zoal on May 08, 2010, 10:47:28 am
You're one of the best artists I've ever seen work on DF graphics.
There's potential in this set to be DF's best. And that's why I have a tough criticism.
If this was just another random mishmash of pixels then I would never bother to post,
but since you're doing such a great job I feel the need to help even if it's tough love.
Your dwarf tiles looks like amateur work because of the template-repetition.
The fatal flaw is that *every dwarf came from the same seed*
That seed is the very first dwarf you drew.
He is the master gene from which all of your other dwarf tiles descended.
It's like a weird race of mongoloid clones that are missing a certain chromosome which is causing them all to look the same.
You created a template, and have applied new clothing / headgear / items to this template,
but every one of your dwarves is still the same person who has got a haircut and a new hat.
Now I'm not saying you need to go overboard and create a different dwarf person for every single tile.
Yes, I understand that would be impractical and you can't spend forever on the set.
But you need to start with *a few seeds* rather than just *one seed*.
Starting with just one seed is exponentially worse than starting with even 2, or 3...
That tiny little bit of extra variation makes all the difference in the beauty of the end result.
If you had started with maybe 5 basic dwarves who are drawn with the same style, the same antialiasing, the same almost everything *except* they are different people, the mind of the viewer would be tricked into perceiving far more graphical detail than is actually present.
Here is an example which started out with multiple seeds:
http://df.magmawiki.com/images/7/75/Dwarves2_dqe.png
Notice that just on the top two rows, you can see 4 or 5 basic seeds which are then re-used.
Note the minor details in their faces and shapes which make them unique, yet they all look like they have come from the same civilization of dwarves.
So yeah, hate to say it but I think you should start over and go back with some genetic diversity.
- Zoal
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 08, 2010, 12:33:56 pm
for me is the best point i can make differences in jobs and persons not if they have the same beard or face ^^
its like your png u posted the most of them look the same with the hats so i couldnt realy make a difference and i would everytime look around with "k" :)
besides i like the beard and there fattines most *G*
for me dwarfs are fat drunk and hairy ^^
Post by: Wavecutter on May 08, 2010, 12:44:53 pm
All that being said, suggesting he start over is pretty audacious after all the work he's done. I also think you could have been more respectful of his current achievements and still offered your criticism. Tough love is for junkies and delinquents. I'm just saying
Also
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on May 08, 2010, 02:05:42 pm
but at least for now my goal is not to make a flawless set.
I'm not saying that I don't plan to make a flawless set ;D
but my first priority is to get a set out there in the first place.
I can always go back and change sprites later.
That's why I'm calling the first release 0.10, rather than 1.0.
Personally, I like a bit of homogeneity in my sprite art.
I'll probably mix it up with different hair and beards,
but I think I'd rather that the first difference that a
person notices between sprites is their profession, rather than their wardrobe.
Also, keep in mind this is all just a placeholder until Toady makes it possible to
assemble sprites procedurally based on description and equipment. ;D
Post by: Aklyon on May 08, 2010, 02:23:16 pm
assemble sprites procedurally based on description and equipment. ;DThat would be interesting.
Post by: Ironhand on May 08, 2010, 02:25:52 pm
I mean, it would be incredibly awesome.
But if it ever does happen, it'll be quite a while before it does so.
Anyway, this I why I haven't gotten any spriting done this morning:
Spoiler: I've been meddling in a different medium (click to show/hide)
Post by: HLBeta on May 08, 2010, 03:41:18 pm
Post by: Wideman on May 08, 2010, 06:18:28 pm
byt will it be ready for tomorrow?? as thats supposedly toady is realsing his new versio XD
also i soo wanna use it as im always being confused with proffessions :/
byt yeah sign me up for play testing....
oh btw GREETS FROM WALES,.... UK .......
Post by: Ironhand on May 08, 2010, 06:33:01 pm
So a lot of the professions still look the same,
and you only get domestic animals for now.
Post by: Wideman on May 08, 2010, 06:35:13 pm
but i dont mind lol im getting bored of the current grpahics set i am using at the moment lol...
tbh i just wish it had the graphics that the stonesense slate vis is like if ya get what i mean like pal...
;)
Post by: Zoal on May 08, 2010, 06:37:42 pm
Your dwarves have a face which is very specific and looks like the face of a certain one man. Your dwarf face has enough detail in it that it really looks exactly like one specific person.
It wouldn't really be a problem on a smaller tileset where the face is so blurred that you can't tell. But your dwarves have the face of *one person* and its repeated ad-nauseum.
Could you create 10 different random faces that are slightly different, and just paste them onto the different dwarves ...
And perhaps a few different shades of beard-colorings.
I think that would solve it. Why not try?
Post by: Ironhand on May 08, 2010, 06:48:37 pm
I think I could give some dwarves lighter cheeks or something.
Keep in mind I've still only got about a dozen pixels to deal with.
Post by: smigenboger on May 08, 2010, 10:00:26 pm
(Unless I'm really off, you could have foward-facing dwarves too. Tell me if this wouldn't look right)
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 08, 2010, 10:28:31 pm
Not bodybuilder or greek mythology-esque, but more definition around the arms and shoulder muscles... or something.
Also, maybe a unique 'seed' for the nobles and unique positions.. dungeon master, philosopher, etc.
Post by: Chariot on May 08, 2010, 11:56:51 pm
Also, maybe a unique 'seed' for the nobles and unique positions.. dungeon master, philosopher, etc.
Philosopher doesn't actually exist anymore, nor does the guildrep, merchantbaron, merchantprince, etc. They still exist in many tilesets as remnants of earlier versions but have no place in the current game, so not much point in making them.
Post by: Master Catfish on May 09, 2010, 01:00:48 am
Personally, I find your graphics set to be by far the most appealing yet. I will absolutely use it once it's available. Please, keep up the excellent work!
I hope you don't mind a suggestion. For the meat icon I see that you have a drumstick. Unless I'm mistaken, that same icon is used in the fishery workshop, for prepared and unprepared fish, and even some live fish. If you're tricky, I bet you could make an ambiguous icon that looks like fried ribs that could also be a fillet of fish, or a live fish. It kills me when I'm playing on Mayday's and I see a drumstick swimming around in a river.
Edit: Oh! And if you're still working on the architect having a scroll, I'd recommend having a peek at Mayday's humans. Some of them have some very good ones.
Post by: Gorfob on May 09, 2010, 04:42:58 pm
What do you think of doing a horizontal flip for some of them? Perhaps the soldiers
This is a great idea.
Post by: Ironhand on May 09, 2010, 05:09:30 pm
...ooo, my lighting is really going to bother me.
I lit all my dwarves and all my tiles and all my critters from the top-right.
Now all of a sudden my nobles and soldiers are lit from the top-left.
We will see how much of a problem that is...
I feel like I'll probably fiddle with it later.
...also, all the soldiers are now lefties.
Except the archer, who is now a righty.
Gosh, I'm not so sure about these.
Do they look weird flipped?
I think they look weird flipped...
Maybe I just stare at them too much.
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 09, 2010, 05:53:10 pm
i like the soldiers that way ^^
iam a lefty that makes me prowd to see leftys at the millitary heh ^^
Post by: Maldevious on May 09, 2010, 06:12:30 pm
Post by: Aklyon on May 09, 2010, 07:15:03 pm
...also, all the soldiers are now lefties.Yay! (lefty is i)
Except the archer
Post by: Master Catfish on May 09, 2010, 07:41:07 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 09, 2010, 08:10:16 pm
Should I flip nobles, too?
Post by: Aklyon on May 09, 2010, 08:38:30 pm
dwarves are more likely to be left-handed.(totally unbiased seconding by a lefty.)
Post by: Wavecutter on May 09, 2010, 08:56:23 pm
Post by: smigenboger on May 09, 2010, 11:13:52 pm
Post by: Arucard on May 10, 2010, 04:20:42 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 10, 2010, 09:10:57 am
I'll flip nobles too, then.
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 11, 2010, 04:38:24 am
The next time I take a look at your pixel art, I better have a towel ready.. :/
It's that good.
Post by: Ironhand on May 11, 2010, 09:10:34 am
Everybody's favorite noble: (http://i43.tinypic.com/ftllk6.png) The tax collector!
Post by: Wavecutter on May 11, 2010, 09:55:46 am
Post by: Sensei on May 11, 2010, 01:18:18 pm
Ummm... thanks.The bags he's holding look to me like bottles of potion or summat.
Everybody's favorite noble: (http://i43.tinypic.com/ftllk6.png) The tax collector!
Post by: Bandages on May 11, 2010, 01:19:55 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 11, 2010, 01:31:58 pm
What's up with that, anyway? Is that sprite ever used?
Post by: Deon on May 11, 2010, 01:44:48 pm
Post by: HLBeta on May 11, 2010, 01:52:26 pm
Make the bags bigger and make this dwarf female.That is a perfectly natural size for bags. You may be fond of enhanced bags, but there simply isn't space for for such baggage within the tileset.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 11, 2010, 03:29:17 pm
Post by: Master Catfish on May 11, 2010, 04:59:31 pm
Just curious, has anyone else done 18x18 tile-sets before?
Post by: Ironhand on May 11, 2010, 05:19:51 pm
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 11, 2010, 06:03:51 pm
Post by: Chariot on May 11, 2010, 09:13:11 pm
Maybe I'll use them for the alchemist instead...
What's up with that, anyway? Is that sprite ever used?
Unlike the merchantbaron and philosopher, alchemist still appears in the exe (see here (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/String_dump#Labor_and_Unit_Type_Tokens)), though I don't think the game actually uses it anymore.
Post by: Harmonica on May 12, 2010, 06:01:57 am
Ummm... thanks.
Everybody's favorite noble: (http://i43.tinypic.com/ftllk6.png) The tax collector!
All I can see is oversized dwarf baby playing with balls of cotton, like a kitten.
I can't unsee it :(
Post by: Arucard on May 12, 2010, 11:09:59 am
I was kind of hoping that the tax collector would be a really well dressed macedwarf, although I like the anti-Santa concept.Why not both? As in a superbly dressed dorf with a big money bag on his back?
Personally I would envision a tax collector as a guy with a little clipboard, but that might be too close to the trader (?), and if they pay with coins I guess he would need a big bag.
Also, I just looked at the dwarves on the OP, nobles look pretty damn amazing. Can't wait for the merge :D
Post by: Wavecutter on May 12, 2010, 11:58:35 am
(spoilered for size)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 12, 2010, 11:42:49 pm
Post by: Arucard on May 13, 2010, 02:37:38 am
This is what my mind's eye conjures up when someone says "tax collector"Oh, that's awesome! If he can 'dorfitize' that, it would be perfect! I think the hat does a lot, that could be the big identifying factor.
(spoilered for size)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cheddarius on May 13, 2010, 08:54:41 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 13, 2010, 06:18:35 pm
Post by: Master Catfish on May 14, 2010, 05:25:37 pm
I have the DF equivalent of blue balls.
I know what you mean by this. For me, it's more like I'm in love with one woman, and married to another. The desire to be with her torments me constantly, and frustration has driven me to the brink of madness. There is only one thing which keeps the shreds of my crippled sanity from leaving me: Hope. Hope that one day I shall be united with my true love.
May that day come soon.
Post by: Ironhand on May 16, 2010, 05:23:58 am
Let's see if I get a merge for my birthday.
That would be pretty awesome.
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 16, 2010, 06:03:51 am
I am 20 years old today!HAPPY BIRTHDAY YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTERD
Let's see if I get a merge for my birthday.
That would be pretty awesome.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 16, 2010, 07:32:20 am
Post by: Aklyon on May 16, 2010, 09:20:38 am
Post by: Deon on May 16, 2010, 10:31:50 am
Boooyah! May you and your beard thrive.
Post by: Bandages on May 16, 2010, 03:27:43 pm
Post by: Maldevious on May 16, 2010, 03:44:11 pm
Post by: Gorfob on May 16, 2010, 07:00:43 pm
Happy Birthday! I hope you get everything you want (including the merge)!
Your wish is Toadys command! Really looking forwards to using this set.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=57492.0
Post by: Ironhand on May 16, 2010, 07:05:01 pm
So I just downloaded and patched together the test merge, but it doesn't seem to support graphics...
At least, as far as I can tell, a bunch of people are having the same problem that I ran into.
So it doesn't look like there's going to be a set for you guys today. Sorry.
Hopefully he'll get stuff cleared up in another day or two, though.
Post by: Outcast Orange on May 16, 2010, 07:28:21 pm
I'm watching this closely.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 16, 2010, 08:48:21 pm
Post by: Outcast Orange on May 16, 2010, 08:50:15 pm
You might want that looked at.
Post by: Maldevious on May 16, 2010, 08:51:20 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on May 16, 2010, 09:17:15 pm
O .o...if you know what I mean.
You might want that looked at.
Post by: Maldevious on May 17, 2010, 06:52:45 am
For what it's worth, leaving graphics off and just setting the font file to the graphics set bmp is working (mostly) for me, using Mayday. The tiles all work, but the dwarfs are slightly simplified. Mouse designation is also working fine for me.
Found this in the thread on .04... also, Baughn seemed to think that the graphics issue might be solved shortly, so that's good!
Post by: Aklyon on May 17, 2010, 11:52:47 am
But that says nothing about .png sets. has anybody tryed that with a PNG?For what it's worth, leaving graphics off and just setting the font file to the graphics set bmp is working (mostly) for me, using Mayday. The tiles all work, but the dwarfs are slightly simplified. Mouse designation is also working fine for me.
Found this in the thread on .04... also, Baughn seemed to think that the graphics issue might be solved shortly, so that's good!
Post by: Ironhand on May 17, 2010, 01:21:38 pm
I've got a running prototype, just without... actual graphics.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 17, 2010, 03:32:24 pm
Post by: Aklyon on May 17, 2010, 03:36:25 pm
I'm waiting until I can use your tiles before I allow myself to play again.I also am.
Post by: Deon on May 17, 2010, 08:44:08 pm
I've spent all night remapping creatures (because there're no graphics yet so I had to make their tiles into tileset) and adding shrub tiles to all plants.
I hope you know what shrub tiles are. They are tiles you see when the plant is not gathered.
Here's how it looks. Notice all the various plants, stalks and berry bushes:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/mcpttx.png)
Phew. It took a lot of time :). Thank you for this tileset, Ironhand.
Post by: Aklyon on May 17, 2010, 09:32:11 pm
Post by: Bandages on May 17, 2010, 09:32:39 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on May 17, 2010, 09:44:07 pm
Post by: Deon on May 17, 2010, 09:46:16 pm
I am concerned by the completely-purple, blue and green dorfsHow else would you do them without graphics? :)
Post by: Bandages on May 17, 2010, 09:48:36 pm
Post by: Deon on May 17, 2010, 10:31:48 pm
(http://i44.tinypic.com/w2g9y9.png)
The plants stand out less but the creatures look better. Thanks for the tip.
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 18, 2010, 04:02:37 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 18, 2010, 06:45:21 am
How do you specify background color for trees, Deon?
I looked at the tree tokens on the wiki and couldn't find one.
Do you just use shrub_color or whatever? Or is there a different one?
Post by: Wavecutter on May 18, 2010, 08:49:03 am
Post by: Deon on May 18, 2010, 02:59:02 pm
Aw, my baby's off playing with other mods.All you need to know about trees:
How do you specify background color for trees, Deon?
I looked at the tree tokens on the wiki and couldn't find one.
Do you just use shrub_color or whatever? Or is there a different one?
[TREE_TILE:5]
[TREE_COLOR:2:6:0]
[DEAD_TREE_COLOR:0:6:0]
[SAPLING_COLOR:7:0:1]
[DEAD_SAPLING_COLOR:0:0:1]
Note that with secondary color you have to make "blocks" to have black rather than transparent background, same for "dot" tile, otherwise the secondary color is used instead of black when you look at the ground level from z+1 (blocks show trees, dots show shrubs).
Looks awesome, but I suggest darkening the . and , tiles ever so slightly, just to get a great balance between visibility and aesthetics.Well, I've taken them from gold plated tileset because Ironhand's floor is too dark so you cannot tell the difference between it and the open space, but it's easy to change.
Post by: Ironhand on May 18, 2010, 04:56:53 pm
I know about the two-color thing. In fact, I'm pretty sure I came up with that. But thanks.
The tiles have already been lightened, and I actually have some grand plans for completely new ground tiles.
Post by: Deon on May 18, 2010, 06:53:52 pm
(http://img4.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/5371/53715342d226e2bdb5108da6a80c0f652b66ce4.png)
Post by: Wavecutter on May 19, 2010, 09:14:13 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 19, 2010, 09:15:33 am
I'd like to retain my tile magic stuff, so the backgrounds of tiles are going to stay mostly black.
@Wavecutter: Oh? I'll go check it out...
Post by: Deon on May 19, 2010, 09:21:00 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 19, 2010, 09:30:19 pm
Post by: SiN.Daeus on May 20, 2010, 01:43:38 am
*Thinks for a second*
...Ah. A hell of a lot of things.
Post by: Ironhand on May 20, 2010, 05:18:17 am
The original dwarf graphic will still be there, you could just add more pixels around it, I guess.
And it would be used for EVERY dwarf with a background. The same graphic would be used for
dwarves in combat, dwarves in pools of blood, falling dwarves, and prone dwarves...
Post by: Ironhand on May 20, 2010, 05:35:48 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 20, 2010, 07:53:41 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 21, 2010, 08:03:32 am
...
...darn, I lost.
Here's your buck:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/346tegj.png)
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 21, 2010, 10:48:31 am
Post by: Maldevious on May 21, 2010, 11:27:06 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 21, 2010, 11:46:30 am
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 21, 2010, 01:47:39 pm
can we give you a hand by about creating a 0.10 beta version?
Post by: Ironhand on May 21, 2010, 07:47:45 pm
And it's all put together and everything.
I'm just waiting for the graphics stuff to get fixed.
If you really want, I can give you guys the straight-up tileset version,
but there's no real graphics in it, so it's really not anything all that special.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 22, 2010, 10:32:10 am
Post by: Vince on May 22, 2010, 10:38:11 am
Post by: ungulateman on May 22, 2010, 09:05:25 pm
Also, if I had a buck for each pun made in this thread, I would be slightly richer.
Post by: Ironhand on May 24, 2010, 05:51:01 am
So since I love you guys so much, I might take a look.
Do you want straight 40d, or 40d18 or something?
Post by: ungulateman on May 24, 2010, 06:41:25 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 24, 2010, 07:44:55 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 24, 2010, 08:24:26 am
And looking at these raws, I really don't have time to hack my way through them all.
What I can do, though, is give you guys a tile version of 0.31.04. Just without graphics.
Or you can wait about a month and I'll release the graphics and the tileset and everything at once.
Post by: Vince on May 24, 2010, 09:54:40 am
What I can do, though, is give you guys a tile version of 0.31.04. Just without graphics.
Or you can wait about a month and I'll release the graphics and the tileset and everything at once.
The first would be great! :)
And thanks for doing the tile magic, you dwarfy wizard! :D
Post by: Ironhand on May 24, 2010, 10:39:05 am
Remember, that's just the RAW changes and the tiles.
You get llamas, you get unaccented language lists,
(plus a word for "llama" in each language ;D ),
and you get my tileset. And my color scheme.
And my epic world generation parameters.
I will not likely release another version before the graphics stuff gets fixed.
But since it's just the tileset anyway, you can always update it by copying
the tileset from the OP and overwriting your version with that one.
Post by: Maldevious on May 24, 2010, 12:00:58 pm
Any insight into what your epic world generation parameters entail?
It sounds like graphics fix will likely arrive some time next week. I am loving the tiles, and I can't wait until I get the whole tileset!
Post by: Ironhand on May 24, 2010, 12:53:59 pm
and the underground areas are more grand and open.
Also, I think there might be a bit more volcanic activity.
Otherwise, it's just a LARGE CONTINENT map.
Is the text difficult to read?
Lightening it up would not be a problem at all.
Post by: Maldevious on May 24, 2010, 12:58:21 pm
Post by: Maldevious on May 24, 2010, 02:02:26 pm
Certain buildings are hard to discern from surroundings (for example, the carpenter's workshops are super dark, which makes it difficult to pick out when built outside).
Stockpiles almost appear to be pure black spaces, I had to really get up close to see that there was something there.
The bushes and trees look great! Also, I like the remains tiles.
... and I started with a Llama. Cool. I don't think I had one in my starting build, but who knows?
In conclusion: great work, Ironhand!
Post by: smigenboger on May 24, 2010, 02:27:45 pm
What do you do when you aren't working on this tileset?
Post by: Vince on May 24, 2010, 03:56:59 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 24, 2010, 05:47:01 pm
Right now I am actually working on a project for my school.
I'm programming educational iPhone apps for kindergarteners.
So yeah, that's why I'm moving so slowly. I'm not a total slacker.
Though I'm not dedicating as much of my free time to spriting as I could.
And actually, Mayday doesn't make all his own tiles. Most of them are borrowed.
So my endeavor is more comparable to, say... Beefmo's. He started from scratch.
The tiles I used for the different types of stone are really mostly just arbitrary.
I intend to remake some of those eventually and kinda start from scratch,
now that I've gotten pretty good at making semitransparent tiling art.
The ones that are there now are just the old ones with bits erased.
The tiles to which you refer as "super dark" are those three that are used for
mist and fire and workshop tiles and wagons and a whole assortment of random stuff.
They are also the three tiles with which I am the least happy of any in my entire set.
Rest assured that they will certainly see a complete makeover in the very near future.
Stockpiles can definitely be brightened up. And I already mentioned I'm going to work on floors.
I didn't make that remains tile, but I like it too. I forget who I swiped it from... but I love it.
Llamas are pack animals and wagon-pullers, so you just got one instead of a mule or whatever.
You'll see them pulling caravans and stuff, too. Also, if he ever brings mounts back in, you'll see
mountain-dwelling humans (and possibly dwarves) riding warllamas into battle. Which is awesome.
Wow, that got kinda long.
I think it answers everything, though.
Don't expect any updates for the next couple days.
Maybe this weekend I'll post an updated tileset with some lighter tiles.
Post by: Gorfob on May 25, 2010, 12:55:46 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Perhaps the Dwarf Fortress File Depot?
Post by: Aklyon on May 25, 2010, 12:56:45 am
Any chance you could put this release on a not shit file hosting service that doesn't expire after 10 downloads?or at least Mediafire.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/ Perhaps the Dwarf Fortress File Depot?
Post by: Ironhand on May 25, 2010, 06:32:50 am
Thanks!
Here it is (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2412).
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 25, 2010, 06:33:18 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 25, 2010, 08:09:34 am
Didn't some version of 40D have .png support?
Post by: Ironhand on May 25, 2010, 10:43:50 am
Plus, this way, all your saves will be compatible with future versions.
Post by: Ironhand on May 27, 2010, 06:46:49 pm
The good news: my doctor has me on Prednisone for it.
And check out what I do when I'm on Prednisone:
(http://i45.tinypic.com/os5v00.png)
Them's the new 0.20 floor tiles. Pretty hot, yes?
This means that my punctuation in text is just as
ugly as everybody else's now, but I think it's worth it.
Post by: Ironhand on May 27, 2010, 07:22:56 pm
(http://i46.tinypic.com/dxkz8n.png)
But it is SO worth it when you see them in-game:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/257mv4h.png)
Ehehehehee, it makes me giddy! = D
Or maybe that's the Prednisone...
Imma go slap these babies behind some trees and rocks. (sentence should not be taken out of context)
Post by: Heron TSG on May 27, 2010, 07:42:34 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 27, 2010, 07:43:22 pm
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rh3778.png)
Post by: Ironhand on May 27, 2010, 07:59:41 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/1zh2nvs.png)
Tomorrow I'm gonna work some magic on my trees and plants.
And some of the rock walls. And probably some other stuff too.
Ironhand 0.20 is gonna look a hundred times better than 0.10!
Post by: timmeh on May 27, 2010, 08:06:31 pm
Post by: Heron TSG on May 27, 2010, 08:12:44 pm
Post by: smigenboger on May 27, 2010, 08:37:50 pm
Post by: Aklyon on May 27, 2010, 09:15:23 pm
Post by: Maldevious on May 27, 2010, 10:30:10 pm
Post by: Harmonica on May 28, 2010, 02:16:14 am
Post by: Vince on May 28, 2010, 04:16:17 am
Get well soon! (But keep taking your medicine. ;D)
> Imma go slap these babies behind some trees and rocks.
And I will so use that sentence out of context! (sigged)
:)
By the way, I have an idea:
Currently you have different sizes of gems, indicating the value.
Couldn't you do that for ore, too? Like Phoebus does, but with graphics instead of icons?
I could imagine the ore layer using the background graphics and with increasing value there are more and more pieces of ore in it.
Post by: Ironhand on May 28, 2010, 05:52:52 am
Different sizes for ores (or thicknesses, maybe, if I do more of a vein thing than a clump thing) would be very cool.
Sometime before 0.20 (maybe this morning) I'm going to pretty much completely rework the stone walls.
Currently the fluid icon I'm using is still the same as in 0.10, which is the same one that pretty much everybody uses.
Eventually I might change it a bit, but it's a pretty good one, so it will probably at least stay fairly similar.
That red stuff is supposed to be sand. But again, all that is going to get reworked a good bit.
All those rocks look the same, but those aren't actually rocks. They're "boulders".
The ones that just appear on the map and get in the way of caravans and stuff.
I will definitely be outlining those boulders. Good call. I think that will look way better.
I also have some really exciting ideas for plants and trees. I could explain them,
but I think it would be easier and more fun to just show you some screenshots.
I'm off to breakfast, but expect some exciting new teasers in a couple of hours.
Post by: Vince on May 28, 2010, 06:18:15 am
Though I don't like the fluid-tile everyone uses. It's too hard to see the flow direction of a brook with those.
I use these:
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/9444/vincecustom18x18water.png)
Looks pretty good with snow, too, I think.
Post by: ungulateman on May 28, 2010, 06:27:42 am
I use numbers for fluids anyway. >_>
Post by: Hungry on May 28, 2010, 06:33:18 am
(sidenote: Graphics sets always make me wish that anyone could set up text to read off of a different graphics set, so as to have text remain as text...and not ground tiles.
Yes I know the game doesnt desern whats text and whats not, because it's ACII.)
Post by: Vince on May 28, 2010, 06:40:04 am
Nice stuff here Ironhand, keep it up.
(sidenote: Graphics sets always make me wish that anyone could set up text to read off of a different graphics set, so as to have text remain as text...and not ground tiles.
Yes I know the game doesnt desern whats text and whats not, because it's ACII.)
We can only wait until Toady implements the full graphics-support.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php
It is rank 5 currently.
With it, we will be able to allocate a tile per meaning. ("." as a sentence object, floor, background in not visible stone, grass, stone, etc.)
Post by: Ironhand on May 28, 2010, 07:05:26 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 28, 2010, 08:20:22 am
(http://i45.tinypic.com/mij7uu.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on May 28, 2010, 08:52:10 am
Ohhhh, are they armor stands?
Post by: Maldevious on May 28, 2010, 08:53:25 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 28, 2010, 08:55:46 am
I'm not happy with it, though. It will change as soon as I can come up with something better.
Post by: Cheddarius on May 28, 2010, 09:02:11 am
The armor could be associated with armor stand, so how about just a t-shirt (or long-sleeved shirt, or sock, if you don't want dwarves to have t-shirts)? I think a sock would work especially well; it's unique and can't be associated with, say, a shadow dwarf.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 28, 2010, 09:28:44 am
Post by: Ironhand on May 28, 2010, 09:46:09 am
Post by: blub-dwarf on May 28, 2010, 09:49:56 am
i like your smooth floors.
do they change color if the stone is another one?
if the space between the stone would be white i think it could look a bit better
Post by: Ironhand on May 28, 2010, 07:04:53 pm
(and engraved ones, too. But for now they won't look any different if you have engraving toggled off).
Okay, I made a couple minor changes (and a couple more major ones for rivers) that make the maps look awesome.
(http://i50.tinypic.com/2duwlkz.png)
Post by: Maldevious on May 28, 2010, 07:52:11 pm
Post by: timmeh on May 28, 2010, 07:56:46 pm
Post by: Aklyon on May 28, 2010, 07:57:51 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on May 28, 2010, 09:59:37 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on May 28, 2010, 10:01:18 pm
I'm going to have to wash my jeans now.Me too.
Post by: Vince on May 29, 2010, 01:41:29 am
I love the idea. I use similar, but inarguably less fancy tiles right now:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Just one nitpick on your tiles: Sometimes you can see the seams, like on the top, second river from the right.
Post by: Ironhand on May 29, 2010, 07:48:48 am
(http://i50.tinypic.com/29c6mog.png)
I don't think there's any seams any more.
It makes me realize that I definitely need to make my own sand/fluid tile.
Also, I have some ideas for making forest/jungle/marsh tiles instead of isolated "tree" tiles.
I can use a different tile for trees in-game, so these ones will just be for maps. I think they will be EPIC.
More info soon.
Post by: Maldevious on May 29, 2010, 07:53:48 am
Post by: Cheddarius on May 29, 2010, 01:03:39 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 29, 2010, 02:59:37 pm
I'm reformatting my critter sheet.
Is there a flag that prevents critters from showing up as undead?
I figure [no_bones] prevents skeletons. Can those still be zombies?
Is there a list somewhere of critters that can and can't be undead?
Post by: Ironhand on May 29, 2010, 07:13:27 pm
Is there supposed to be an undead sprite for everything?
I've noticed that other people tend to skip a bunch of them.
Is that intentional, or is it just deemed not worth the effort?
Post by: Gorfob on May 29, 2010, 09:15:18 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on May 29, 2010, 10:15:11 pm
As far as modding goes, I spent an hour searching for the answer Ironhand and came up empty.
Post by: timmeh on May 29, 2010, 10:47:27 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 30, 2010, 07:14:54 am
Those are the single-line rivers, used for small rivers, streams and brooks on the world map.
The tiles used for large rivers are the ones that are used for smoothed walls. Those remain unchanged.
Anyway, yeah, that was what I was afraid of with the undead stuff. Ah well.
It'll be worth it when I can say that I have the most complete graphics set for DF.
Post by: Harmonica on May 31, 2010, 06:19:03 am
Smoothed floors are really hard to get looking right (they have to be dwarfy without being too intricate) and you nailed it. I tried to do that kind of smoothed slabs effect myself but couldn't get it looking as good (ended up going with a kind of tesselating smoothed dirt appearance which I created by accident).
Post by: Wavecutter on May 31, 2010, 08:40:13 am
Post by: Dohon on May 31, 2010, 01:44:38 pm
Very nice work. I'm really digging (pardon the pun) your graphics, Ironhand. I'm looking forward to 1.0. :)
Post by: Ironhand on June 01, 2010, 07:55:12 am
I know that tile is the one right before ! on the tileset, but I think it just uses black-on-black, because I can't get it to show up.
Is there a way to change that? I feel like there probably isn't, but I thought I'd ask anyway.
Post by: Wideman on June 03, 2010, 05:06:05 pm
Post by: smigenboger on June 03, 2010, 05:25:05 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 03, 2010, 05:57:26 pm
Vermin don't use graphics anyway, so that would be impossible.
Anyway, it was going to be a surprise, but since you asked...
Ironhand 0.20 is going to have full creature graphics!
I'm filling in most of the set with Bane's critters,
and I will slowly replace them with my own.
It will also have the new floors and stuff.
All in all, it should be pretty awesome!
Post by: Wideman on June 03, 2010, 05:58:23 pm
Post by: smigenboger on June 03, 2010, 07:10:44 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on June 04, 2010, 11:54:01 am
a lot of stuff is fixed.
Post by: Maldevious on June 04, 2010, 12:00:13 pm
Post by: MaXMC on June 05, 2010, 02:06:31 am
Post by: Deon on June 05, 2010, 07:00:51 am
Post by: SanDiego on June 05, 2010, 10:52:28 am
Post by: Wavecutter on June 05, 2010, 12:09:44 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 05, 2010, 12:37:31 pm
MaXMC: keep your pants on.
That's what this is for: Version 0.20 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2450)!
Hope you guys enjoy it! It's got full graphics support for dwarves and critters!
Most of the critters are Bane's, but it fills the gaps until I can make my own.
Deon: Thanks, I know.
Thanks everybody else for your support!
Enjoy 0.20!
I'm gonna follow it up quick with a 0.21 in a couple days,
which will have Sphr's elves and humans and goblins, I think.
Also buzzards and vultures, which are the only critters I'm missing.
So anyway, if there's anything else you think should change, let me know.
Cheers!
Post by: Wavecutter on June 05, 2010, 01:37:59 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 05, 2010, 01:57:15 pm
Also,
we are now hanging with the big boys!
So come to Modding now when you want to check in on me.
Post by: Ironhand on June 05, 2010, 02:18:47 pm
I forgot to retain my stone/plant raws.
Fixed it. Now rocks and stuff should look better.
Ironhand Graphics version 0.21 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2452)
All I changed here were the raw/objects files,
so you should be able to switch those out if
you already genned a world or whatever.
Post by: Hummingbird on June 05, 2010, 03:33:30 pm
One problem, though: I have a Mac. How can I make this tileset work with the Mac version of DF?
Post by: BlackRogue on June 05, 2010, 04:00:09 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 05, 2010, 06:43:41 pm
Yeah, let me know how that works.
I'm honestly flattered that you're switching for me.
Your happiness continues to be my number one concern.
Anyway, I actually have access to a Mac right now, so
maybe in the future I'll patch together mac versions too.
Would that be a good thing for people?
Also, over 60 downloads in one day!
Woop. I feel so loved. Thanks guys.
I know I haven't been putting much out lately,
but this week I should be able to finally be able to
make some significant headway. Keep checking up on me!
Post by: Ironhand on June 05, 2010, 06:54:27 pm
I feel like it would be cool to have some screenshots up here of my set in action,
but I don't need any excuses to actually play because then I won't get any spriting done.
So I hereby task you, my beloved fans, to go forth and enjoy my graphics set, but to also
make sure to snap a totally awesome, epic, beautiful screenshot every now and again.
I think it would be cool to have some of those displayed on the main page,
so that people can get an idea of the set without downloading it.
The hope is to have some more stuff for you in a few days.
Post by: Hummingbird on June 05, 2010, 07:31:35 pm
I'd try replacing your data and raw folders with Ironhands and see if that works.
It worked! Thanks.
Edit: I did have to take the shader.vs and shader.fs files in the Mac version data folder and paste them into the Ironhand data folder.
Post by: BlackRogue on June 05, 2010, 08:14:03 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 05, 2010, 08:32:33 pm
NICE WORK IRONHANDEDMAN
Post by: Vince on June 06, 2010, 03:22:09 am
I have only two complaints:
- the different kinds of ores and stones are really hard to tell apart.
I liked RantingRodents approach most: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=29706.0
- The trees aren't using your tile magic yet. (=no brown trunks) Is that intended?
Another improvement: I use tile 29 as a "dead shrub" tile, so the graphical diversity of plants is even higher. :)
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 04:02:23 am
the set was working fine at first, after abandoning and starting a new fort though the graphics went abit loopy, i had spiders showing up as hematite veins and troll icons for lignite and most of my dwarves showing up as the wrong icon (black squares for miners, farmer icons for nobles and jewelers.
this was after a simple drag and drop over DF from 7zip. any idea's on how i could fix it?
Post by: Prastary on June 06, 2010, 05:40:30 am
One proposition would be to make the borders of stone/soil/etc wall tiles more noticable (I think that it is easier to recognize them this way) - for my own purpose I made them sligthly darker, so in game they look like nice blocks:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/160s8w3.png)
It is only sad, that this set is not in 16x16 - with 1280x1024 it looks quite blurry.
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 06:05:58 am
I keep saying that the stone/ore walls are my next priority. I really will get to them, I promise!
Also, trees will eventually use tile magic. I intend to eventually make new ones just for that reason.
I will make sure to leave the shaders in there for future versions.
I have no idea what's going weird with your version...
Did you download the whole folder? I changed some raws,
so if you're not using my raws that might be your problem...
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 06:13:48 am
Post by: Vince on June 06, 2010, 06:19:44 am
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 06:26:38 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 06:37:54 am
You say they are just showing up black?
Is anybody else having a similar problem?
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 06:47:50 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 07:11:37 am
I love it when stuff fixes itself.
I hope you enjoy it!
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 07:16:59 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 07:19:40 am
But rather that all those goblins are boring old gs. I will fix that soon.
Post by: Robsoie on June 06, 2010, 07:35:08 am
Those ground and floor are plain amazing and the dwarves are a nice change from the usual Sphr i was using in previous DF version.
The only bad point i can see is that i didn't liked the fonts and the decorated O , so i tried to swap those with the fonts used in Haowan curse (http://Haowan curse) (as both are 18x18) in Gimp and it got better for my old eyes.
Other than this detail, this graphic set is the one that has impressed me the most since i play DF with graphics one especially in how the ground seems to be that "seamless", amazing work.
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 09:51:04 am
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a253/Adultratedhydra/damn.png)
Seems the problem was solved in one way but another popped up =S
This is on 05 by the way on a completely fresh install. not a clue whats going on here.
seeing as the picture is bad quality abit ill clarify.
Miners show up as children, nobles arent showing up as anything and all military has the stoneworker graphic.
Post by: Jiri Petru on June 06, 2010, 11:57:23 am
Post by: Cheddarius on June 06, 2010, 12:08:11 pm
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 12:28:45 pm
Why are the champion marksdwarves called "Elite crossbowmans"?
i had not noticed that O.o
Seems it says crossbowman in the Raw's.
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 12:41:15 pm
I don't think it's a problem on my end, though...
I wonder why you seem to be having so much trouble.
What OS are you using? Might that make a difference?
Post by: kirvoq on June 06, 2010, 12:55:37 pm
Great looking set.
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 01:47:56 pm
Because I know you love them.
They shouldn't mess anything up, though.
They have [PACK_ANIMAL] and stuff...
Is anybody else having that problem?
Here's the RAW, in case somebody
wants to take a look at it for me. ...Deon.
Spoiler: llamas! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Wavecutter on June 06, 2010, 01:55:03 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bandages on June 06, 2010, 02:04:42 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 06, 2010, 02:38:15 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 05:00:48 pm
Thanks, though. I guess they're kinda cute,
in a genetically modified poodle sort of way.
The gift I appreciate more:
I just got over a hundred new downloads in about 24 hours!
Nothing motivates me to sprite more than loving supporters!
Hopefully I'll have something nice to give back in a couple days.
Post by: MorphingJar on June 06, 2010, 06:03:20 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 06, 2010, 06:58:17 pm
All the stuff I took out was stuff I thought I didn't need.
Apparently, you still need some of it for the Mac version,
so in the future I'll probably leave most of it in there.
But everything I upload is a complete package, yeah.
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 06, 2010, 07:59:48 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thats the first line of dwarves from Graphics_dwarves. all as it should be?
Tried kajiggering around with it to see if i could change the miner, was able to change the graphic of everything BUT miners. and im using XP SP3 32bit.
Post by: Maldevious on June 06, 2010, 09:04:56 pm
But looks great, in general.
Post by: Maldevious on June 06, 2010, 10:22:49 pm
Spoiler: Screenshot (click to show/hide)
For an example of where the shrub should be, see this screenshot. Yellow circles are a few of the spots where there should be shrubs.
Spoiler: No shrubs? (click to show/hide)
Post by: kirvoq on June 07, 2010, 01:37:41 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 07, 2010, 07:25:58 am
I really have no idea what to tell you. It sounds like some kind of internal issue,
but I have no idea why something like that would happen. Maybe try forcing the
game to re-parse the sprites, by toggling graphics off and then back on again...
Maldevious: thanks! Yeah, that's gotta be just a bad RAW tile designation.
That will be fixed for version 0.22.
Kirvoq: Awesome, thanks! I will add that into my llamas right away!
Expect an update tonight sometime.
Post by: Prastary on June 07, 2010, 07:57:03 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 07, 2010, 09:44:01 am
That tile is also used on maps.
I'm specifying shrub tiles for 0.22.
You'll actually be able to tell which
plant is which before you pick it!
Post by: Deon on June 07, 2010, 10:13:34 am
(http://i44.tinypic.com/w2g9y9.png)
Also your new ground rocks!
And may I suggest this for a water tile?
(http://i.piccy.info/i5/14/64/186414/water.png)
I love how it's clearly identifiable as "water" and "sand" with good enough borders. Your current sand sometimes looks like "walls" in comparison to the darker ground.
Post by: Ironhand on June 07, 2010, 11:36:39 am
I'll make a new water tile eventually...
Post by: HLBeta on June 07, 2010, 05:55:10 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 07, 2010, 06:01:54 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 07, 2010, 06:03:48 pm
Post by: Moontayle on June 07, 2010, 07:04:42 pm
Post by: Harmonica on June 07, 2010, 07:06:47 pm
I've noticed that caged creatures and corpses still show up as letters or symbols instead of their normal graphic tiles. I'm not certain this can be fixed, but I thought I'd mention it.
In my experience that only happens when they've been captured but not installed in a stockpile or pitted. Once stored somewhere they will pick up their graphic. Usually.
Post by: Deon on June 07, 2010, 07:18:28 pm
Post by: Aklyon on June 07, 2010, 07:19:57 pm
It's really dark, but I really enjoy this tileset.It would be a bit nicer if you brightened them a bit.
Post by: Deon on June 07, 2010, 07:23:09 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 07, 2010, 07:32:08 pm
Or smoothed floors.
Post by: Aklyon on June 07, 2010, 08:41:20 pm
I can't see doors.I randomly not see doors.
Post by: Hummingbird on June 08, 2010, 12:07:39 am
It's really dark, but I really enjoy this tileset.It would be a bit nicer if you brightened them a bit.
I agree; this tileset could use a brightening up. It's difficult to tell types of smoothed floors from each other (or whether there is even floor or not), and some types of rock turn black when designated for digging (though that might be a different problem entirely?). I think, Deon, that brightening the whole tileset won't make it more difficult to tell walls and floors from each other, since there would still be a great difference in brightness, and also we should be able to tell where floors are once we can see floor tiles.
Post by: MaXMC on June 08, 2010, 04:50:54 am
You wouldn't even see what the problem is on your own screen since that one is brighter...
Anyways, I'm hoping for a bugfixed and brighter 0.22 and I also hope it's purely graphical. If you are doing a graphics set, do a graphics set. I don't want to be forced to go through all the domestic.txt and other files just to remove what's not there in vanilla DF.
Post by: blub-dwarf on June 08, 2010, 04:58:15 am
hmm i dont find it too dark.
for my opinion if its too dark light it up yourself?
shuldnt be a problem or am i wrong?
Post by: Hippoman on June 08, 2010, 07:23:13 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 08, 2010, 07:34:33 am
Here you go (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2466).
That's 0.22. The whole tileset it brightened up a bit.
Also, elk and deer are finished, zombies are greener (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_buleZbLQzU0/SXPUAleCgII/AAAAAAAAACs/cuQN-nnJ5Ro/s320/1221917.6258105.jpg),
llamas are fixed (trade capacity), and shrub tiles are in!
I think you're right that it's a monitor thing.
My monitor is really quite bright, so I run into
problems like this a lot. Let me know if that's any better.
MaXMC, you need to stop complaining.
It's just llamas. Llamas are awesome.
And anyway, they're one creature.
It doesn't take that long to take out.
The doors thing is weird, but I think it's just because
they're partly transparent and very very dark.
I will take a look at that for 0.23.
Post by: Hippoman on June 08, 2010, 07:44:57 am
Also I couldn't tell the difference between snow and ground, so this should help.
Post by: Ironhand on June 08, 2010, 07:46:12 am
But the only things I changed are the raws and the tileset.
You can just switch out those if you want (make sure to update your save folder, too).
Post by: Adultratedhydra on June 08, 2010, 07:49:46 am
It's all packaged together...
But the only things I changed are the raws and the tileset.
You can just switch out those if you want (make sure to update your save folder, too).
Hey awesome. the graphics are all working for me in this down load =D
Post by: Maldevious on June 08, 2010, 07:59:13 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 08, 2010, 08:01:03 am
I don't know what I did, but awesome!
Maldevious: I don't really care.
I'll be switching them out fairly often anyway.
Post by: Robsoie on June 08, 2010, 08:02:37 am
Amazing and thanks so much for this brillant piece of tileset work.
It enhances my DF fun tremendously.
Post by: Prastary on June 08, 2010, 08:16:00 am
But these looks weird:
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2vu0nz9.jpg)
Post by: Ironhand on June 08, 2010, 08:35:15 am
Post by: flatlander on June 08, 2010, 10:56:26 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 08, 2010, 11:35:38 am
Anyway, welcome to Bay12! Hope to see you around.
Post by: Hippoman on June 08, 2010, 04:12:54 pm
It's all packaged together...Never updated saves before can you tell me what to do?
But the only things I changed are the raws and the tileset.
You can just switch out those if you want (make sure to update your save folder, too).
I would just replace the raws, and....What else. Then how would I update saves.
Post by: flatlander on June 08, 2010, 04:37:12 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 08, 2010, 04:38:11 pm
Hippoman: There's another raw folder inside your save game under save/region1, or whatever.
Just make sure you update those raw files in the same way that you updated your external ones.
Post by: Hippoman on June 08, 2010, 04:39:39 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 09, 2010, 10:13:55 am
I merged in Sphr's humanoids, so now I think there's a sprite for just about everything!
Granted, most of those sprites aren't mine, but I'll get around to all of them eventually.
At least this way you won't see ks for kobolds and Es for elves.
Sometime later this week I'll put out 0.30, which will be packaged into DF 0.31.06.
I should have some other new stuff in there too. We'll call it a surprise for now, though.
Are people still having problems with doors? Are they still too dark, or whatever? Let me know.
Cheers!
Post by: Prastary on June 09, 2010, 12:21:02 pm
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2937n6x.jpg)
It is easy to change, so I will just copy those tiles from old version. Waiting with impatience for next version!
Post by: Ironhand on June 09, 2010, 04:43:59 pm
Yeah, I wasn't quite happy with them either...
What do people do for those tiles? They're used for so much!
I could use different tiles for the silty walls... but I don't like them for workshop tiles either.
I'll probably end up going back to something more geometric and intentional-looking. Maybe.
Anyway, I've got to go get some real work done tonight (and tomorrow).
I'll aim to have something new for you guys by the weekend, though.
Post by: Deon on June 09, 2010, 07:44:18 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 09, 2010, 08:45:19 pm
Post by: Deon on June 09, 2010, 08:46:41 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 09, 2010, 08:56:45 pm
Post by: BlackRogue on June 09, 2010, 09:06:41 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 10, 2010, 01:02:20 am
Post by: Hippoman on June 10, 2010, 06:34:57 am
Post by: Cheddarius on June 10, 2010, 09:01:31 am
Post by: carebear on June 10, 2010, 11:03:48 am
But for incomplete releases I wouldn't know. But it doesn't really matter. Going from 0.2x to 0.3 sounds logical for something such as having a new Dwarf Fortress release in your package.
Anyway this pack is looking good. Now that RantingRodent is taking a long break I'm rooting for this one! ;D
Post by: Ironhand on June 10, 2010, 12:16:05 pm
Bad news, unfortunately: I probably won't be getting 0.30 out this weekend.
I'm kinda getting behind in a (real) project. So I'm gonna focus on that this weekend.
Sorry.
Look forward to something next week, though.
Post by: Martin on June 10, 2010, 12:17:35 pm
Yes, from .23 all the way to .30 is .07 versions skipped correct?
Version numbers aren't usually linear that way. Typically each digit, or maybe each pair, constitute a series of revisions within a larger revision block. So for instance with the DF numbers:
0.31.06
The 0 refers to the major version. This is alpha, so Toady is still working toward the first version.
31 refers to the major features (arcs, bloats, whatever system he's worked out). Going from 2D to 3D was an increase of one in this count. Between releases, there might be 3 or 4 major additions, so it might jump from .31 to .35. To Toady, this is a linear increase as he's got .32 and .33 and .34 versions, but they weren't released.
06 refers to the minor features. This is like the one above, but these usually increment approximately with each successful build. Again, not every one may get released so it could jump to .08 if .07 was problematic.
Each developer has their own way of doing this. Knuth is using pi for his versioning for TeX so his current version number is 3.1415926. The next release would be 3.14159265. Each release adds a digit. Version numbers aren't even slightly user-friendly - they're entirely for the benefit of the developer.
Post by: BlackRogue on June 10, 2010, 01:40:56 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 10, 2010, 03:52:52 pm
Post by: gtmattz on June 10, 2010, 04:04:32 pm
Derail much?
NOW FOR THE ON TOPIC PART!
SUPER AWESOME GRAPHICS SET MR. IRONHAND, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING THE FINISHED PRODUCT!
8)
Post by: Aklyon on June 10, 2010, 04:38:15 pm
I came in here looking for more info on this fairly awesome graphics set, and end up reading a page worth of discussion on version numbering....Not really. It was related to the versioning of the graphics set, which is still talking about the graphics set in someway.
Derail much?
Post by: Ironhand on June 10, 2010, 06:35:00 pm
We got the same explanation like three times in a row.
But whatever. Back on topic and all that. Thanks, gtmattz!
Post by: Deon on June 10, 2010, 06:37:32 pm
Quote
We got the same explanation like three times in a row.People like the repetition. They think if they say something after another man, it will sound more menacing or real.
And I look forward for 0.3 :). Oh wait, 0.30. Or will it be 0.301?
Post by: HLBeta on June 10, 2010, 10:37:19 pm
I would also appreciate it if some manner of installation guide was made available, I have yet to find one that works with the v0.31 releases.
Post by: Ironhand on June 11, 2010, 05:32:58 am
You shouldn't have to install anything... it's all packaged together already.
It's probably easier to just move your save into my version of the game.
Make sure to update the raw files within your save folder too, though.
As for the Mac thing, I really have no idea... for future versions (0.30+),
I said I was going to package a Mac version as well, but I'm not there yet.
I had at least one guy (Hummingbird, back on page 37) that got a Mac
version to work. He said he had to copy shader.vs and shader.fs from
the Mac package from a separate download (because I removed them
from the PC version because I thought they were unnecessary). They
will be left in all future versions, but for now see if adding those helps.
Post by: Hummingbird on June 11, 2010, 06:12:26 am
I've found that it's definitely simplest to copy the raw, art, and init folders from the Ironhand DF into your Mac DF folders. This has worked with each version of Ironhand that I've tried thus far.
Just drag the raw folder from the Ironhand folder into the Mac version's main folder, and the art and init folders from the Ironhand data folder into the Mac data folder. This way you get to have the same DF folder across different versions of Ironhand, and you don't have to copy any saves.
Hope this helped.
Post by: Ironhand on June 13, 2010, 06:22:51 pm
Guess what you're gonna get in 0.30...
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d2f793.png)
I kinda want to give them hair. Thoughts?
The raws say they have red/pink/purple hair.
Maybe I'll just give it to nobles, or something...
Post by: Hippoman on June 13, 2010, 06:37:54 pm
They should be bald. Let the baldness blind the dwarves as they attack.
Post by: BlackRogue on June 13, 2010, 06:49:40 pm
Post by: Hummingbird on June 13, 2010, 07:10:48 pm
I gotta little teaser for you guys!
Guess what you're gonna get in 0.30...
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d2f793.png)
I kinda want to give them hair. Thoughts?
The raws say they have red/pink/purple hair.
Maybe I'll just give it to nobles, or something...
Coolness!!
Post by: Ryjer on June 13, 2010, 09:25:07 pm
My main complaint is something I just now encountered when I went to engrave a room... :o I hate it! I didn't play the game much with the default graphics but from the screen shots I have seen your handling it like the default graphics did. But if I could recommend something, I really liked the way the Gold plated set handled engravings, where it was just a slightly more detailed looking floor and wall tile. Hopefully this is something that you were already planning on addressing if not hopefully you will now.
Keep up the great work!
Disregard! I'm an idiot. Just found the toggle engravings function.
Post by: Hippoman on June 13, 2010, 09:27:03 pm
HOLY SHIT. This is SDL. How did you make it fast.
HOLY SHIT MONKEY BALLS. I moved my save over to .06 and ironhand. I PROBABLY SCREWED IT UP.
wertdfyuhkl.
Post by: Harmonica on June 14, 2010, 03:38:16 am
Post by: Cheddarius on June 14, 2010, 04:00:22 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 05:44:53 am
@Hippoman: Yeah it's SDL. SDL is great.
I didn't do anything. Honestly. It is fast.
@Cheddarius: I'm not sure I understand.
The most recent Ironhand release (0.23)
has a sprite for everything (I think). The
next one (0.30) will as well, but it will be
DF 0.31.06 (at least). I suppose 0.23 will
work with 0.30 if that's what you want.
Just move the graphics, init and raw stuff
into the new version. If there's any RAW
changes in the new version, you'll miss
out on those. That's why I'm going to
package it myself for 0.30.
Also because there's gonna be some changes
to stone and plants floors and stuff like that.
Post by: Wavecutter on June 14, 2010, 07:05:13 am
Post by: Maldevious on June 14, 2010, 07:13:08 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 07:45:47 am
And it was intended to be a face scarf,
but as long as you like it, that's good enough for me.
Post by: Vince on June 14, 2010, 09:06:15 am
I beg just for one thing:
Can we have cutebolds pretty please? :) Maybe as an option, not as default. I'd love to see them in your style.
Great work!
Post by: Master on June 14, 2010, 09:54:05 am
Post by: Wavecutter on June 14, 2010, 10:45:15 am
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 10:59:08 am
Thanks guys! Glad you like the goblins.
@Hippoman: Yeah it's SDL. SDL is great.
I didn't do anything. Honestly. It is fast.
You did something. You're missing a ton of files and it still runs super fast.
If I download a vanilla SDL df, i'll have a fps of 6-14.
Post by: gtmattz on June 14, 2010, 01:08:06 pm
Thanks guys! Glad you like the goblins.
@Hippoman: Yeah it's SDL. SDL is great.
I didn't do anything. Honestly. It is fast.
You did something. You're missing a ton of files and it still runs super fast.
If I download a vanilla SDL df, i'll have a fps of 6-14.
I noticed the bolded part last night when I discovered that the ironhand version will not run on this older dell I am fixing up for my brother-in-law, but the vanilla SDL download of 05 and 06 both work fine on it. I started comparing files and noticed Ironhand's is trimmed down quite a lot.
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 02:17:50 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 14, 2010, 03:06:01 pm
@Cheddarius: I'm not sure I understand.Well, I'm playing 0.31.06, the newest version of DF, I think. Will this package work with that version, or will I have to wait a bit?
The most recent Ironhand release (0.23)
has a sprite for everything (I think). The
next one (0.30) will as well, but it will be
DF 0.31.06 (at least). I suppose 0.23 will
work with 0.30 if that's what you want.
Just move the graphics, init and raw stuff
into the new version. If there's any RAW
changes in the new version, you'll miss
out on those. That's why I'm going to
package it myself for 0.30.
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 03:15:08 pm
@Cheddarius: I'm not sure I understand.Well, I'm playing 0.31.06, the newest version of DF, I think. Will this package work with that version, or will I have to wait a bit?
The most recent Ironhand release (0.23)
has a sprite for everything (I think). The
next one (0.30) will as well, but it will be
DF 0.31.06 (at least). I suppose 0.23 will
work with 0.30 if that's what you want.
Just move the graphics, init and raw stuff
into the new version. If there's any RAW
changes in the new version, you'll miss
out on those. That's why I'm going to
package it myself for 0.30.
Do it yourself!
I think I unrar'd ironhands, then unrar'd .06 on top of that, then put my save in place.
Post by: Deon on June 14, 2010, 05:12:30 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 14, 2010, 05:19:25 pm
Do it yourself!Huh?
I think I unrar'd ironhands, then unrar'd .06 on top of that, then put my save in place.
So does Genesis work for you now? All you have to do is to replace the ironhand's file with the changed one from my mod.I'm not sure, I'll try it.
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 05:20:37 pm
Maybe I'll rust it up a bit. Goblins shouldn't wear nice armor anyway.
Kobolds are a little ways off, but I'll see what I can do. = P
I took out some files, yeah. 0.30 has a couple more.
But that's all just extra stuff that's not doing anything.
Or so I thought...
I'm working on putting together 0.30 now!
Might be tonight. Might not. We shall see.
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 05:59:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The ore deposits are still ugly (they look like bushes),
but check out them floors! No more black squares around plants!
The same is now true of above-ground plants, including trees!
I'm also really happy with that new wall tile (the grey one in this pic).
Post by: Cheddarius on June 14, 2010, 06:06:11 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 06:13:18 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 06:20:25 pm
So does Genesis work for you now? All you have to do is to replace the ironhand's file with the changed one from my mod.
Nope! but I haven't tried and I will now!
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 06:21:26 pm
0.30 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
Post by: HeliumFreak on June 14, 2010, 06:23:34 pm
Grag, this is really confusing. Can someone explain exactly what I need to do to add Ironhand graphics to .31.06?
-Unzip Ironhands 0.23
-Unzip 31.06
-Go into 31.06 folder so you see the folders data/raw/sdl
-Highlight all of the folders (and files) and hit ctrl+c
-Go into Ironhands folder so you also see data/raw/sdl
-Right click on the folder background somewhere and click paste
-Overwrite everything it asks you
-Then go to data/init/init.txt and make this section look like this
[GRAPHICS:YES]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:0]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FONT:ironhand.png]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:ironhand.png]
[GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE:YES]
And play
** while typing this i see the .30 update thanks.. but i thought id post so youd know what to do in future
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 06:28:19 pm
Ta-da!
0.30 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
DAMMIT.
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 06:28:32 pm
Whoops, I just realized that I forgot to re-add llamas to the new RAWs.
You first three people missed out on those, if it matters to you.
The file is updated now, though.
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 06:29:22 pm
; P
Whoops, I just realized that I forgot to re-add llamas to the new RAWs.
You first three people missed out on those, if it matters to you.
The file is updated now, though.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 06:33:43 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 06:37:49 pm
Anyway, I just figured out I can edit listings on DFFD.
I think that's cool. I won't be able to keep a list of old URLs,
because the URL doesn't change when I update a listing, but
nobody actually uses the old versions anyway, right?
So I think I'll just update that one from now on.
So you've all got the URL for all future versions.
When stuff happens, that's where it'll happen.
Post by: Deon on June 14, 2010, 06:42:56 pm
Also now I will have to update your tileset for my mod :P. Hehe, good looking stuff.
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 06:44:16 pm
Hippoman, check the init settings. SDL versions performs differently based on those. Use them in other mods.
Also now I will have to update your tileset for my mod :P. Hehe, good looking stuff.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I JUST FINISHED DOWNLOADING IT. ESRTYGUHJIYGSTAUFASJFIUASGKFJ25873527UW34478
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 06:49:31 pm
You need to either lighten up on the 'shrooms, or maybe take a few more.
Get a grip. I can't even tell if you're happy or frustrated or what.
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 06:51:33 pm
Genesis here I come!!
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 07:27:07 pm
Now go and take those awful MS Paint pictures off my thread.
Or spoiler them or something.
So does anybody know what's up with the bay12games site?
I said I was gonna release a Mac version with this release,
but I can't very well do that without a Mac version of the game.
And it seems like the site is down...
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 07:32:56 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 07:38:07 pm
Well, for all you Mac-users out there,
you should be able to just use my set,
and replace the .exe with the Mac one.
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 07:39:21 pm
WHY CAN I NOT SEE MY FUCKING MINERS?! DEON WHY.
Post by: Ironhand on June 14, 2010, 07:42:55 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 14, 2010, 07:43:35 pm
Wrong topic. Really sorry.
Post by: Cheddarius on June 14, 2010, 07:54:44 pm
Post by: Adamantine Fist on June 15, 2010, 12:24:12 am
Post by: Harmonica on June 15, 2010, 12:24:35 am
Post by: Prastary on June 15, 2010, 02:55:05 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The first shows that the ice floor is unrecognizable from the wall. The second is a scene on the glacier - the white ice floor would be ok, but look how dark is the snow, it all looks weird, maybe because the snow should be brighter than the ice.
And the "whip vines" are still there.
Those are only suggestions, keep up the good work!
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 05:16:15 am
I shall endeavor to fix that.
I need to make a new water/snow/magma tile anyway.
And I intended to make it a good deal brighter than it is.
@Harmonica: everything is packaged into the set.
You should be able to just download it and play.
You can move saves from your old games into newer versions;
just make sure to replace those raws with the new ones.
@Adamantine Fist: Thanks! I'm rather partial to it as well.
As for Civ Forge, I've said I'm planning on taking a look at popular mods eventually.
But that's a very distant goal for me right now. What is it that doesn't work well?
Post by: Prastary on June 15, 2010, 06:36:43 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Maybe if the had some eyes instead of those black places, I don't know...
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 08:05:02 am
I redid his face a bit: (http://i49.tinypic.com/2qmet04.png) Are the eyes still too dark?
I tried doing glowing eyes, but it didn't look quite right...
Post by: Prastary on June 15, 2010, 08:36:50 am
I redid his face a bit: (http://i49.tinypic.com/2qmet04.png)Yes, it looks better!
Post by: Hippoman on June 15, 2010, 10:59:27 am
Although a long time ago I put both the graphics folder and the thing in art into place and then put hte graphics folder into my save's raws.
When I did that for .30 I noticed a color change but I think it's wrong, because when I played a vanilla .30 It was super brighter.
Post by: Maldevious on June 15, 2010, 11:12:26 am
Post by: Adamantine Fist on June 15, 2010, 11:12:26 am
...Well, mostly the fact that Civ Forge modifies a whole bunch of the standard raw files, and I'm going to have to go through and "harmonize" things. That said, once I'm done I'd be willing to post the modified version up for download to simplify people's lives.
@Adamantine Fist: Thanks! I'm rather partial to it as well.
As for Civ Forge, I've said I'm planning on taking a look at popular mods eventually.
But that's a very distant goal for me right now. What is it that doesn't work well?
EDIT: Aaaaand: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2518
Just the objects folder at the moment. Everything should work properly. The next step is obviously getting the Civ Forge races some nifty new sprites. As to that, might I have permission to go ahead and try my hand at it?
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 01:48:23 pm
And I don't mind if you want to draw some sprites of your own.
Just don't be offended if I don't include them in my official pack.
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 01:56:56 pm
Should I wait until my set is more complete, or can somebody hook me up with a spot on the wiki?
Now that I'm just using one DFFD URL, all I'd want would be a link to that and a link to this thread.
Can somebody do that for me? :-\ I don't particularly want to set up a wiki account or whatever...
Post by: Hippoman on June 15, 2010, 02:43:36 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 05:11:37 pm
(http://i50.tinypic.com/20gmkao.png)
Post by: Adamantine Fist on June 15, 2010, 05:13:37 pm
EDIT: Nice ice. Has the pack been updated with it yet?
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 06:12:30 pm
One more quick thing before I do, though:
Has anybody else gotten elven merchants with my set yet?
My friend tried it out, and his elves looked like zombies...
Has anybody else run into a similar problem?
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 15, 2010, 06:17:16 pm
Urist McTrader: Hey, Obog, why're the elf merchants so smelly this year?
Obog Kettlecooked: I dunno, Urist.
Zombie Elf Merchant: Braaaaiiiinnss- Oh sorry I meant Treeeeees
Post by: Shaostoul on June 15, 2010, 06:17:55 pm
When I was browsing the map I came across large black patches, upon highlighting them with the embark selector they were revealed as Marshes/Forests.
You might want to give that a look. Also, time to time, highlighted letters can be a tad hard to read.
Other than that, a lot of the look and feel of this set is great.
Post by: Hippoman on June 15, 2010, 07:01:07 pm
Or when you assign an animal to a cage or something. I need to get up right infront of the computer just to see if that animal is assigned or not.
Post by: jimi12 on June 15, 2010, 07:05:09 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 07:17:55 pm
The blinking thing isn't my problem.
You might be able to fix that by changing
your SDL display settings in the init file.
So... I've been trying to make a better water/sand tile,
and I haven't yet come up with one that I'm happy with.
So don't count on that for this release...
Maybe next one, though.
Post by: Shaostoul on June 15, 2010, 07:23:47 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 07:56:41 pm
Let me know what you guys think.
I'm still not quite happy with the fluid thing, but there's some other cool stuff in there.
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 15, 2010, 07:58:06 pm
Post by: Turambar on June 15, 2010, 07:59:47 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 15, 2010, 08:03:28 pm
I'm kinda spending all my free time working on the graphics set.
If anybody's got a fort running with my graphics set,
send me some screenshots.
I'll post them on the OP.
Post by: Maldevious on June 15, 2010, 08:31:13 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 15, 2010, 08:44:15 pm
Post by: Turambar on June 15, 2010, 08:47:04 pm
Post by: afoninv on June 15, 2010, 11:00:36 pm
More pics? Anyone?
Please?.. =)
Post by: Hippoman on June 15, 2010, 11:04:38 pm
It turned from a dark red. to a blinding yellow.
Post by: Turambar on June 15, 2010, 11:38:53 pm
Looks like i gotta regen again :-(
Looks like i can leave in most of the files, but the Mithril they added in messes things up. Still, I think most of the veggies and creatures are in. Hopefully they dont have mithril body parts that will fuck up my game.
Post by: Aklyon on June 16, 2010, 12:23:42 am
Post by: Vince on June 16, 2010, 03:14:15 am
I prefer ore that looks like ore.
Using different "sizes" of ... uh "ore pebbles" in the stone, depending on the ore value isn't an option?
Like you do it with the gems now?
I find distinguishing the different ores and stones rather hard right now.
Thanks for the great set!
PS: The stones that are created during mining are missing your background.
Post by: Prastary on June 16, 2010, 04:01:31 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Second thing is that you cannot see the difference between eg. "small pile of snow" and "pile of snow", so you don't see the footpaths that dwarves makes in snow - earlier they were eg. darker, so it looked like nice paths in snow.
Post by: Prastary on June 16, 2010, 04:42:40 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jiri Petru on June 16, 2010, 05:14:48 am
(http://i49.tinypic.com/210znh2.jpg)
I have trouble telling apart walls from floors. And it's impossible to tell apart walls from mined rock. On the other hand, the white sand (?) looks like a wall in the middle of nowhere. I'd say there needs to be some rule of thumb along the lines of "bright tiles are walls, dark tiles are floors" to make things recognizable.
Post by: Ironhand on June 16, 2010, 05:52:16 am
I'll try and do something more like that...
That's the tile that's the most important to me right now.
I think I'll put off 0.32 until I've got awesome sand and water.
@Jiri: You're right, the walls and floors are hard to distinguish...
I think what I'll do is make the walls brighter. Also, I'm gonna make
a tile for ore and I'll put the floor texture behind stone while I'm at it.
By the way, guys, there's a constantly-updated list of what I'm doing
and what I've already gotten done for the next release, on the OP.
Post by: Ironhand on June 16, 2010, 05:56:51 am
A bunch of the raws are changed, to specify tiles for stone layers and plants, for example.
My thought was, the package I've got up there now has everything you could need.
Just take out the parts you want and stick them into your game?
Post by: Ryjer on June 16, 2010, 07:11:40 am
Keep up the great work Ironhand!
Post by: Jiri Petru on June 16, 2010, 07:19:27 am
Also, when doing the water/sand, please try not to make it look to similar to walls. Compare the white sand with the limestone (?) wall on the previous screenshot. They look almost the same.
Post by: Ironhand on June 16, 2010, 08:05:46 am
Actually, I think I'm making headway with the new water.
It's actually going to be a bit more like the floors, I think.
Screenshots later, maybe.
Post by: Arucard on June 16, 2010, 08:07:33 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 16, 2010, 08:31:34 am
Yeah, I'm confounded by the humanoid raws, too...
I haven't really done any modding before, but I thought I'd hacked them together pretty well.
I might go and play a quick game (or just find some goblins/elves in adventurer mode) to see what's going on.
Anyway, new fluid tiles! Check this out:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I really like them for sand.
But I don't know if maybe they're too dark as water:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
What do you guys think?
Post by: Turambar on June 16, 2010, 09:10:35 am
Post by: Vince on June 16, 2010, 09:19:11 am
And yes, water is too dark.
Post by: Prastary on June 16, 2010, 09:37:32 am
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 11:26:54 am
Quote
@Jiri: You're right, the walls and floors are hard to distinguish...I've made floors darker and a separate tile for the ore which looks close to the gem tile. It looks better.
I think what I'll do is make the walls brighter. Also, I'm gonna make
a tile for ore and I'll put the floor texture behind stone while I'm at it.
Post by: Aklyon on June 16, 2010, 11:56:55 am
@Aklyon: I suppose I could, but it's more than just the graphics folders and the llamas.ok. I'll just have to be more careful,then.
A bunch of the raws are changed, to specify tiles for stone layers and plants, for example.
My thought was, the package I've got up there now has everything you could need.
Just take out the parts you want and stick them into your game?
edit: that water is too dark. sand looks good, though.
Post by: Deon on June 16, 2010, 12:02:59 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 16, 2010, 01:14:46 pm
I see most people are having the same issue as I am, the floor/wall thing. Though I'm glad to hear the walls will likely be changed rather than the ground tiles, because they are great. I also have a manager who ends up using a baby dorf graphic for some reason. The other nobles (not real nobles, but appointed ones) look normal so it's confusing. This is from using the previous sets though, I'm assuming it's the same in this one. Other than that, I had a couple goblin thieves show up that were just "g"s. After checking the raws, they seem right so I don't know why it comes out that way. Anyway, they're expertly done and I find it hard to play with any other graphics now.
Delete graphics_example from the save
Post by: Ironhand on June 16, 2010, 02:34:11 pm
Deon, I love you.
That is brilliant.
I've still got a little wiggle room on the sand,
so we'll make the tile itself a little brighter as well.
But yeah, I can't believe I never thought of that.
Especially because, now that I think of it,
everything blue seems too dark. Dimple cups, stone...
Gosh, that is five kinds of awesome.
This should fix a bunch of little problems.
About the jpg thing: yeah, I know, it's awful.
I uploaded those as .bmps, but tinypic converts them, apparently.
So I'll go back to .pngs. Expect one tonight, with brighter water! :D
Post by: Hummingbird on June 16, 2010, 06:22:07 pm
Glad you like them!
Yeah, I'm confounded by the humanoid raws, too...
I haven't really done any modding before, but I thought I'd hacked them together pretty well.
I might go and play a quick game (or just find some goblins/elves in adventurer mode) to see what's going on.
Anyway, new fluid tiles! Check this out:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I really like them for sand.
But I don't know if maybe they're too dark as water:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
What do you guys think?
I definitely found the fluid tile to be way, way too dark, both as sand and as water. When yellow or red, it looks too blackish to look like sand or desert; as for blue, I had to tilt my laptop screen 60° before I could begin to see anything more than black space. I would suggest (at least as far as my own screen is concerned) that that tile be made twice or even three times brighter, although it is up to you, as always.
Post by: Ironhand on June 16, 2010, 07:49:55 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2mn13zt.png)
Post by: Calvin on June 16, 2010, 08:06:43 pm
It's completely black. (no racist innuendos intended)
Post by: Jiri Petru on June 16, 2010, 08:24:40 pm
By the way, I made a granite floor hatch.
It's completely black. (no racist innuendos intended)
A common problem with almost any tileset. Granite hatches have black foreground and white background. To make them show you need a part of the tile to be transparent. I use the same base tile as Ironhand but I've deleted the 1px line around the hatch (the "space" between the hatch and the frame).
EDIT: But seeing as hatches use "reversed" colors the same way as doors - ie. foreground is either white or black and the colors like red, blue, etc. are background, perhaps the tile could use a redesign.
Post by: Wavecutter on June 16, 2010, 09:21:55 pm
Post by: LucasUP on June 17, 2010, 12:24:54 am
Check this out!Nice. Its a lot more vibrant, I like it. Even though I've been using Phoebus' pack lately, I still appreciate "happier" colors in my DF, like in Maydays pack.
This is turning out to be a really cool tileset. I was worried at first because of how using Tile Magic, you need to use a black background for everything (which can look very black and ugly).
But as far as I understand it, you use dithering/transparency to offset this, and it looks great! If I spent the time to find and fill in the gaps with the units/creatures with stuff from another set, and you tweak a few of the tiles, I'd probably use this set exclusively. Or maybe just live without whatever's not there yet.
I understood tile magic when you explained it via .bmp. With .pngs and transparency, do I still understand how it works?:
White-Black = Primary Colour with varying intensity, where Black stays Black.
Transparent = Secondary Colour
Coloured = Static Colour
And the TileMagic is simply just using Black for "background" instead of Transparency?
(Yes, I'm Canadian, deal with the U's)
Pretty sneaky. Good job with it.
I wonder if I should use it for my next Lazy Newb pack (If you'd let me). I almost want an easy way to have multiple tile/graphic sets, and the ability to have a batch file or something that installs/overwrites the right files. I don't know my batch well enough though, and this could easily cause problems. Especially when updating saves a bunch of times with different sets/raws. Still would be nice to be able to do. [/tangent]
Post by: Arucard on June 17, 2010, 04:03:41 am
Delete graphics_example from the saveFunny enough, that didn't fix anything but it did lead me to the reason behind the missing gobs, so thanks. I'll just have to deal with a toddler giving the others orders.
Post by: Ironhand on June 17, 2010, 05:14:27 am
Anything that's not black changes its color based on what's applied to it.
So white becomes that color, grey becomes a darker version of that color,
and other colors get multiplied into that color to form a much darker one.
Black pixels will always be black.
A transparency on any one pixel allows for the background color to peek through.
So if I have a pixel which is yellow and 50% transparent, it will be come a composite
of yellow AND the foreground color AND the background color. This allows me to do
cool stuff like antialiasing the edges between my foreground/background colors,
and shading the background color (with semitransparent black pixels).
I would be honored if you'd use my graphics set for your newb pack.
Just so long as you give me credit somewhere. But yeah, that's great.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on June 17, 2010, 05:42:49 am
Post by: Aklyon on June 17, 2010, 06:57:56 am
(Yes, I'm Canadian, deal with the U's)I thought colour and such were british,not canadian...
Post by: Ratbert_CP on June 17, 2010, 08:39:52 am
Unlike the rest of the former Empire, the Canuks still long for the comforting reach of the monarchy to keep them warm at night. Well, except for the Quebecois, who I personally rank somewhere below elves, but higher than shock (i.e., extremist) talk radio hosts.(Yes, I'm Canadian, deal with the U's)I thought colour and such were british,not canadian...
Post by: Prastary on June 17, 2010, 11:32:00 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 17, 2010, 12:25:00 pm
Maybe tomorrow, actually. We'll see.
You'll get a brightened color palette,
the new water/sand/snow/magma tiles,
fixed stone tiles, and brand new ore tiles.
Which I have yet to make.
But they'll be cool.
Post by: Canek on June 17, 2010, 05:32:37 pm
Damn thank you!
When in ASCII, it felt, well... ASCII.
Then I discovered graphic sets and it was like moving to 8-bit.
And then, today... I moved to Ironhand and it feels like 16-bit.
Thanks!
Post by: Ironhand on June 17, 2010, 06:52:29 pm
Hopefully you'll like 0.32 even better.
I'll have it up tomorrow sometime.
Keep an eye out for it.
Post by: baalak on June 17, 2010, 10:40:25 pm
If it becomes possible, I would be downright giddy if you could implement differing sprites for the two sexes. Seeing female dwarves with beards fills me with icky shudders.
It was mentioned before, but I would like to suggest again the possibility of turning undead sprites backwards, to readily distinguish between them and the living. I dunno if it's necessary since you greened up the zombies, but it seems yet another easy way to distinguish between them, especially for the colorblind like my flatmate.
I didn't have an issue telling the water and sand apart, and the water was more than bright enough on my monitor, but brightening it up won't be much of an issue for me. I'm merely worried about having a way to discern the depth of water without using a command. I had been hoping you would implement a number over the tile to indicate its depth, even if it was fading into the background and I had to look carefully. I always liked that idea from other tilesets. Without videos it's hard to tell, so I'll just ask: is it easy to tell the direction of water flow with your graphics?
What are the 'n's in the world map? Hills? Is there a way to replace them with a better sprite? Having letters on the map at this point looks out of place with your awesome graphics.
I'm very pleased that you chose to make a square graphics set, and kindly chose ti fit it exactly to my monitor's resolution. That was very thoughtful of you. Thanks again for all your hard work. You have something to be proud of here, and I hope to see it adopted by more of the community.
- Baalak called Hopeful.
EDIT: I gotta say, I'm glad you have your project marked in your sig, or I don't know if I would have found it. Thanks for posting on the 18th page of the Facepalm Moments thread so I could find you, hehe.
Post by: Ironhand on June 18, 2010, 07:50:30 am
Honestly, your support is what's keeping me around.
Anyway, check it out! 0.32! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
(http://i50.tinypic.com/14vi51f.png)
New, brightened color scheme!
The new water/fluid tile! Also brighter.
New loose stone tile (including tile magic background).
Using old loose stone tile (plus tile magic background) for loose ore.
Zombie and skeleton critters have been flipped horizontally.
(also, 50 pages! Woop~)
Post by: Ironhand on June 18, 2010, 07:58:15 am
I know, right? I'm really excited about that prospect as well. It is definitely up there on my list.
It was mentioned before, but I would like to suggest again the possibility of turning undead sprites backwards...
Done!
I'm merely worried about having a way to discern the depth of water without using a command.
That's actually set in your .init file. I like to see the water unobstructed by numbers, but if you want numbers to show up instead,
there's a setting in the init file that'll get that done for you.
What are the 'n's in the world map? Hills? Is there a way to replace them with a better sprite?
Yeah, that's been bothering me, too. I tried a little while ago to put my ground tile behind all the text, which would be kinda cool, I think. But I can't put it behind the empty spaces around the text (because they're set to color:0:0:0, which just blacks out everything)... So short answer: not really. And if I did, that character would be used for n's in text as well.
I'm very pleased that you chose to make a square graphics set, and kindly chose ti fit it exactly to my monitor's resolution. That was very thoughtful of you. Thanks again for all your hard work. You have something to be proud of here, and I hope to see it adopted by more of the community.
Thanks! That makes my day.
Everybody enjoy the new version!
Post by: Maldevious on June 18, 2010, 08:10:52 am
In celebration, here is my hospital and jail. The dwarf on the bed was recently horribly wounded by the nice looking new goblins. Man, are they tough in this version or what?
Spoiler: Picture (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on June 18, 2010, 08:14:24 am
I assume he has a cat. = P
Also, I intend to fix those black squares around buckets and chains for version 0.33.
Also also, I'm eventually gonna make a new chair tile and a new clothing tile.
Post by: Maldevious on June 18, 2010, 08:20:05 am
Post by: Need_More_War! on June 18, 2010, 08:22:19 am
Post by: Aklyon on June 18, 2010, 08:52:41 am
Post by: Prastary on June 18, 2010, 10:05:42 am
...but I liked old, darker colors.txt more, so I changed it for earlier version. Now I must only find a way to change the brightness of water tiles in ironhand.png, because the snow is now dark gray and there is little difference in brightness between both water tiles. I also liked old loose stone more, it was more "realistic", I only made it always more transparent to make it less visible, so I will change it also for earlier version and the loose ore for "*".
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Now please continue great knight your quest for the graphic grail!
Post by: taoofjord on June 18, 2010, 10:24:46 am
I read a post that said I just needed to replace the .exe with the Mac version's executable but that didn't work. As I understand it, the Ironhand creator is intending on releasing a Mac version of DF with Ironhand already on it but until that happens can someone tell me how to get this running the hacker way?
Thanks!
Post by: gtmattz on June 18, 2010, 11:25:08 am
Post by: Prastary on June 18, 2010, 01:02:19 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 18, 2010, 01:38:13 pm
You can just slap them on black and they'll work exactly the same way.
@taoofjord: Here's what you're gonna do:
Download a Mac version of DF 0.31.06 from Bay12games.com/dwarves. Download Ironhand Graphics version 0.32 from the DFFD.
Copy the whole raw folder and the whole data/init folder from Ironhand and replace the corresponding files in the Mac version.
Then copy the file ironhand.png from data/art into data/art of the Mac version.
That should do it!
Post by: Cheddarius on June 18, 2010, 01:41:13 pm
Post by: LucasUP on June 18, 2010, 01:51:57 pm
Also that chicken leg is a lungfish
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I think a personal preference problem I have, is that I don't like the "noisyness" of all the tiles. I understand its a stylistic choice though.
Hey. I tried to put a save file from a raw 0.31.06 game into an Ironhand game, and it didn't work. It said "Missing material template: STONE_TEMPLATE". How do I fix this?Since I just did it, Cheddarius, here is how to update your raws:
Assuming there is no mods you want to keep from your old game:
Go into your Ironhand folder (assuming you have a clean version of it, just download a new copy if you dont) and copy its "raw" folder. Go into your save file, and delete the "raw" folder, and then paste the Ironhand raw back into your save file.
Otherwise you can try to manualy find the missing file and copy that single one over (not sure which one. "material_template_default.txt" maybe?)
Post by: Aklyon on June 18, 2010, 03:18:53 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 18, 2010, 03:38:39 pm
I'll scale it back a bit in the next version. Thanks for letting me know.
Post by: Cheddarius on June 18, 2010, 03:54:21 pm
Post by: Jiri Petru on June 18, 2010, 05:00:40 pm
Walls are still too hard to tell apart from floors. The grey stones on other screenshots look acceptable but the yellow stone here is very confusing. I don't think I'm sight impaired but I really have trouble seeing the floor there:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/14vi51f.png)
In comparison, look at generic tilesets handle yellow stones:
(http://sklad.obrazku.cz/obr422413_contrast.png)
If I'm not mistaken, the thing you've done is you made the colors brighter and perhaps increased the saturation of walls. But you need to increase contrast instead or, in other words, use more white on the walls. If you look at the vanilla game, it has black backgrounds for all floors, white backgrounds for all walls which make is easy to distinguish. By using black background for both, you are lowering the contrast and the distinguishing job has to be done by the tiles thelselves. And with your tendency to blend tiles, it's hard. It works for some (the grey ones above) but doesn't work for others.
I'd suggest using more transparency (perhaps even 100% in some placer) on the wall tiles to allow more of the white background to show. What if you deleted the white pixels you already have on the tiles? By painting white on the tileset, you make them colourable, by leaving them transparent, you'd leave them white.
But that's just my two cents, perhaps it goes against what you and the people who actually use this like. Feel free to ignore me and keep up the good work ;)
Post by: Aklyon on June 18, 2010, 05:21:03 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on June 18, 2010, 05:59:48 pm
@Jiri: Alright, cool. I will definitely try to address that before the next release.
Also, you don't actually need 1440 pixels to use my tileset, now that it's SDL.
If you fullscreen the game, it'll shrink the tiles just a tiny bit so that they fit.
So jump on the bandwagon if you want. = P
Post by: Aeg1s on June 18, 2010, 06:06:10 pm
Post by: LucasUP on June 18, 2010, 06:10:45 pm
@Cheddarius: no problem, glad it worked. :)
@Aeg1s: Didn't know about the food, but yeah, llamas are Ironhands thing. Personal touch?
Post by: afoninv on June 18, 2010, 06:26:22 pm
However, to me conifer forest (tree) icon seems a little indistinguishable from leaf forest, so conifers are practically lost among leaf forest masses - triangular spots of green among circular spots of the same green.
It seems to me that fir tree icon can be made something different, like maybe a tad darker and with branches/branch layers more separated from each other. Just a suggestion though =)
Post by: Ironhand on June 18, 2010, 06:28:17 pm
The food thing wasn't intentional, as you surmised,
but I'll probably leave them in unless people complain about it.
Because who doesn't want llama stew, or llama pies? I want a llama pie.
And yeah, new forest and tree tiles are on the list. But it's a pretty long list.
Post by: Prastary on June 19, 2010, 02:45:06 am
Ironhand, I'm not actually using your tileset because I don't have the resolution for it
I'm using it with 1280x1024, and it looks ok. Not so sharp and great like in default resolution, but ok.
Post by: Hippoman on June 19, 2010, 02:46:47 am
Always.
Post by: Maldevious on June 19, 2010, 12:21:05 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 19, 2010, 02:31:47 pm
I'll get pictures in a second. It's dark and grey.
Use these pictures however you want.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: baalak on June 19, 2010, 02:58:37 pm
Maybe your monitor is too dark.
- Baalak called Good Intentioned.
EDIT: So, how do I install again? The updates and bugfixes in .07 have inspired me to I got a new copy of DF, the SDL version. I unpacked it to a folder on my desktop, then I opened your rar and copied it over all the files in the Df folder. Is that all I need to do?
Post by: Aklyon on June 19, 2010, 03:52:45 pm
Looks great to me. What's the problem?no, that just replaces .07 with .06 w/Ironhand graphics.
Maybe your monitor is too dark.
- Baalak called Good Intentioned.
EDIT: So, how do I install again? The updates and bugfixes in .07 have inspired me to I got a new copy of DF, the SDK version. I unpacked it to a folder on my desktop, then I opened your rar and copied it over all the files in the Df folder. Is that all I need to do?
Post by: baalak on June 19, 2010, 04:01:32 pm
...Damn.
Ok, I looked for a readme, to explain installation, but didn't see one. I checked the first post and didn't find instructions. I'm beginning to feel like an idiot. I don't want to be That Guy and not know how to do this, but I'm running out of options which aren't read the entire thread again to find the instructions. So, instead of asking how, I'll ask where I can find the instructions so I can do it myself.
- Baalak called Ashamed.
EDIT: does this mean that wor workd I just generated was a .06 world, and won't work with .07? I'll need to regen a world, won't I? Damn, I liked the world I got.
Post by: Ironhand on June 19, 2010, 04:10:05 pm
The files you need from my set are the whole raw folder, and the data/init folder, and ironhand.png from data/art.
And guess what's in 0.31.07? Pillar tile designation in the init!
So I can make Os look like Os and pillars look like pillars!!!
I am so excited, you guys have no idea.
There's not gonna be a new Ironhand release until maybe late this week...
But when it happens, it's gonna be Ironhand 0.40.
And it's gonna a dozen different kinds of awesome.
Post by: baalak on June 19, 2010, 04:17:59 pm
- Baalak called Looking Forward to .40!
Post by: Ironhand on June 19, 2010, 04:31:41 pm
Open it up, and it should have a version number on the title page.
Post by: baalak on June 19, 2010, 04:34:20 pm
Goodbye, The Bearded Land, even though you had no Dwarven Civs on you, I will miss you.
Thanks, Ironhand. Can't believe I missed that.
- Baalak called Resigned.
Post by: Aklyon on June 19, 2010, 04:36:09 pm
The Bearded Land, even though you had no Dwarven Civs on you, I will miss you.I know DF makes random names, but a place called The Bearded Land not having any dwarves makes no sense!
Post by: baalak on June 19, 2010, 04:44:42 pm
I know DF makes random names, but a place called The Bearded Land not having any dwarves makes no sense!My thoughts exactly!
- Baalak called Amused.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 19, 2010, 05:03:59 pm
One thing though; Miners show up as Minors - Children that is.
Post by: Ironhand on June 19, 2010, 07:15:47 pm
That's weird... they show up fine for me.
Is anybody else having that problem?
Check out the screenshot of the day:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I haven't had a chance to actually play the game since I started my set.
I hope you'll all grant me this weekend. = P
Although, I am using the opportunity to look for problems and inconsistencies.
How do you guys like the color scheme in that shot? I think that's what I'll be using from now on.
Here it is, if you want to play with it:
Spoiler: 0.40 Colors (click to show/hide)
Post by: baalak on June 19, 2010, 07:49:26 pm
.32 worked with .06, but won't with .07. Very strange.
Hope you have fun playing this weekend, and get inspired to do something new and awesome with the tileset.
- Baalak called Patient.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 19, 2010, 08:17:35 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/U2cpp.jpg)
Post by: Hippoman on June 19, 2010, 08:56:12 pm
I'm something of a DF noob so I've been trying out various tile sets and I really like yours, looking forward to 0.40! :)
One thing though; Miners show up as Minors - Children that is.
Ironhand has yet to listen to my previous posts.
DELETE GRAPHICS_EXAMPLE.
Fixed.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 19, 2010, 09:23:19 pm
I also notice Carp look like chicken drumsticks, is there a fix for that too?
Post by: Hippoman on June 19, 2010, 09:40:26 pm
Post by: Aklyon on June 19, 2010, 09:46:11 pm
I also notice Carp look like chicken drumsticks, is there a fix for that too?They've learned to disguise themselves to make up for the weakening! run away!
Post by: Hummingbird on June 19, 2010, 09:51:57 pm
Really?
That's weird... they show up fine for me.
Is anybody else having that problem?
Check out the screenshot of the day:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I haven't had a chance to actually play the game since I started my set.
I hope you'll all grant me this weekend. = P
Although, I am using the opportunity to look for problems and inconsistencies.
How do you guys like the color scheme in that shot? I think that's what I'll be using from now on.
Here it is, if you want to play with it:Spoiler: 0.40 Colors (click to show/hide)
That's looking really good! I also dig the changes in the wall tiles.
May we have a shot of water and sand as well, either in the world map or in fortress mode? One of the biggest issues with the previous coloring was that the fluid tile was too dark.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next release!
By the way, it would help us Mac/Linux users out if you could also release a package with just the raw, init, and art folders, so that we're not downloading a Windows copy of the game every time we update. It would also make it clearer what folders need to be installed in order to make the tileset work in Macs.
Post by: rgon842 on June 19, 2010, 09:53:00 pm
I'm liking that color scheme you suggested; makes it easy on the eyes, especially when binging with DF for a bunch of hours. The original color scheme has a 'old VGA terminal' feel to it, and after a while, it makes my eyes hurt.
Ah thanks Hippoman that worked :)
I also notice Carp look like chicken drumsticks, is there a fix for that too?
This probably has to do with the TILE being used by carp and quite possibly, other fishies in the raws. You might want to gve the latter a see-through and make sure that the tile in the raws matches the one that looks like a fish in ironhand.png.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 19, 2010, 09:59:13 pm
This probably has to do with the TILE being used by carp and quite possibly, other fishies in the raws. You might want to gve the latter a see-through and make sure that the tile in the raws matches the one that looks like a fish in ironhand.png.
Sorry I'm a noob, I dont quite get what you mean...
Edit: Also, is it possible to make mist/miasma/etc. transparent?
Post by: Hippoman on June 19, 2010, 11:26:09 pm
I would also enjoy that. I keep unzipping it just to delete everything but graphics and the one thing in art.Really?
That's weird... they show up fine for me.
Is anybody else having that problem?
Check out the screenshot of the day:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I haven't had a chance to actually play the game since I started my set.
I hope you'll all grant me this weekend. = P
Although, I am using the opportunity to look for problems and inconsistencies.
How do you guys like the color scheme in that shot? I think that's what I'll be using from now on.
Here it is, if you want to play with it:Spoiler: 0.40 Colors (click to show/hide)
That's looking really good! I also dig the changes in the wall tiles.
May we have a shot of water and sand as well, either in the world map or in fortress mode? One of the biggest issues with the previous coloring was that the fluid tile was too dark.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next release!
By the way, it would help us Mac/Linux users out if you could also release a package with just the raw, init, and art folders, so that we're not downloading a Windows copy of the game every time we update. It would also make it clearer what folders need to be installed in order to make the tileset work in Macs.
Post by: Aklyon on June 19, 2010, 11:34:21 pm
Isn't that what i suggested before?I would also enjoy that. I keep unzipping it just to delete everything but graphics and the one thing in art.Really?
That's weird... they show up fine for me.
Is anybody else having that problem?
Check out the screenshot of the day:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I haven't had a chance to actually play the game since I started my set.
I hope you'll all grant me this weekend. = P
Although, I am using the opportunity to look for problems and inconsistencies.
How do you guys like the color scheme in that shot? I think that's what I'll be using from now on.
Here it is, if you want to play with it:Spoiler: 0.40 Colors (click to show/hide)
That's looking really good! I also dig the changes in the wall tiles.
May we have a shot of water and sand as well, either in the world map or in fortress mode? One of the biggest issues with the previous coloring was that the fluid tile was too dark.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next release!
By the way, it would help us Mac/Linux users out if you could also release a package with just the raw, init, and art folders, so that we're not downloading a Windows copy of the game every time we update. It would also make it clearer what folders need to be installed in order to make the tileset work in Macs.
Ironhand, would you mind having a download version thats just the graphics folders and the llamas? that would make it simpler to update for the people who don't want the whole prepackaged thing (or the people like me who keep accidentally overwriting their mini-mods with your package and have to re-copy them)@Aklyon: I suppose I could, but it's more than just the graphics folders and the llamas.
A bunch of the raws are changed, to specify tiles for stone layers and plants, for example.
My thought was, the package I've got up there now has everything you could need.
Just take out the parts you want and stick them into your game?
Post by: rgon842 on June 20, 2010, 12:03:44 am
This probably has to do with the TILE being used by carp and quite possibly, other fishies in the raws. You might want to gve the latter a see-through and make sure that the tile in the raws matches the one that looks like a fish in ironhand.png.
Sorry I'm a noob, I dont quite get what you mean...
Edit: Also, is it possible to make mist/miasma/etc. transparent?
Here's a step-by-step procedure:
1. Go to the data folder thats in your DF installation.
2. Go to the art folder.
3. Double-click on ironhand.png file to open it in an image-viewing progam (usually Windows Picture Viewer).
4. The picture shows the tileset made by Ironhand. Count the number of tiles, starting from the upper-left corner and going right, beggining with the number 0. The last tile on the right should be #15. Look for the tile you would like to use for fish, and then proceed to count towards it using this.
5. When you get to the tile you want, note down the number you counted to in paper, or in notepad.
6. Go to the raw folder in your DF installation.
7. Go to the objects folder.
8. Open the creature_large_riverlake.txt file.
9. Search for the [FISH_CARP]. Once you've found it, look for the tag "[CREATURE_TILE]". This tag should have a number next to it.
10. Erase that number, and write in the number you noted down from counting on the picture file.
11. Save the file and quit.
12. Fire up DF, go to the arena, and spawn a carp in the water.
If you see the carp look like the tile you wanted, congrats! A modder is you!
If it did not work, go through each step again, and check the number that you counted to make sure its the right one.
P.S. For the lazy ones and the TL;DR crowd, the tile number for the fish-looking graphic in ironhand.png is 172.
Post by: Hummingbird on June 20, 2010, 12:11:39 am
Isn't that what i suggested before?I would also enjoy that. I keep unzipping it just to delete everything but graphics and the one thing in art.Really?
That's weird... they show up fine for me.
Is anybody else having that problem?
Check out the screenshot of the day:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I haven't had a chance to actually play the game since I started my set.
I hope you'll all grant me this weekend. = P
Although, I am using the opportunity to look for problems and inconsistencies.
How do you guys like the color scheme in that shot? I think that's what I'll be using from now on.
Here it is, if you want to play with it:Spoiler: 0.40 Colors (click to show/hide)
That's looking really good! I also dig the changes in the wall tiles.
May we have a shot of water and sand as well, either in the world map or in fortress mode? One of the biggest issues with the previous coloring was that the fluid tile was too dark.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next release!
By the way, it would help us Mac/Linux users out if you could also release a package with just the raw, init, and art folders, so that we're not downloading a Windows copy of the game every time we update. It would also make it clearer what folders need to be installed in order to make the tileset work in Macs.Ironhand, would you mind having a download version thats just the graphics folders and the llamas? that would make it simpler to update for the people who don't want the whole prepackaged thing (or the people like me who keep accidentally overwriting their mini-mods with your package and have to re-copy them)@Aklyon: I suppose I could, but it's more than just the graphics folders and the llamas.
A bunch of the raws are changed, to specify tiles for stone layers and plants, for example.
My thought was, the package I've got up there now has everything you could need.
Just take out the parts you want and stick them into your game?
Yeah, but I thought it bore repeating.
Post by: Prastary on June 20, 2010, 03:52:41 am
spoiler=0.40 Colors
Some of the new colors look fluorescent
Post by: Ironhand on June 20, 2010, 06:45:20 am
I'm something of a DF noob so I've been trying out various tile sets and I really like yours, looking forward to 0.40! :)
One thing though; Miners show up as Minors - Children that is.
Ironhand has yet to listen to my previous posts.
DELETE GRAPHICS_EXAMPLE.
Fixed.
graphics_example is already deleted from my version.
If you merge the folders, it sticks around.
If you delete the old folder and then add mine, it's not a problem.
That's looking really good! I also dig the changes in the wall tiles.
May we have a shot of water and sand as well, either in the world map or in fortress mode? One of the biggest issues with the previous coloring was that the fluid tile was too dark.
Anyway, I'm looking forward to the next release!
By the way, it would help us Mac/Linux users out if you could also release a package with just the raw, init, and art folders, so that we're not downloading a Windows copy of the game every time we update. It would also make it clearer what folders need to be installed in order to make the tileset work in Macs.
Thanks.
I'm not quite done with the fluid tile for the new version yet.
But yeah, it's gonna be a little brighter.
And the blues in the color scheme are brighter as well.
I've gotten enough requests for it now that I'll probably go ahead and
put out a smaller package with the next release, with just the raw folder
and some data/init files and the ironhand.png tileset.
I'll still upload the full version as well.
@Prastary:
I think the word you're looking for is pastel.
Anyway, is that a bad thing? Or just a comment?
Post by: Prastary on June 20, 2010, 07:20:37 am
I think the word you're looking for is pastel.
Anyway, is that a bad thing? Or just a comment?
Some of them are just like neon glowing in the dark. I like more toned-down colors, but of course it is a matter of taste, and I can always change it for earlier version. Waiting impatiently for next update!
Post by: Nabobalis on June 20, 2010, 08:49:28 am
Post by: WormSlayer on June 20, 2010, 09:58:36 am
If you see the carp look like the tile you wanted, congrats! A modder is you!Yay me, Carp and a couple of other fish no longer look like drumsticks :)
Edit: Where do I change the icon used for the Fishery? Thats a drumstick too...
Post by: Ironhand on June 20, 2010, 11:57:27 am
As for what's missing, well, that depends on your definition of "missing".
As far as I'm aware, everything has a graphic sprite assigned to it.
But the majority of those are the art of other people (Sphr, Bane...)
Eventually, I'm gonna make my own sprites for everything.
But everything is filled in, at least.
Post by: baalak on June 20, 2010, 12:31:00 pm
Is anyone else getting this error? I'm trying to run the 36.07 SDL version. Should I have downloaded the non SDL copy? Um...
I just checked the main page, and 36.08 is out, so I'll try that. Maybe this was Toady's issue and not yours, Ironhand... Hmm, no, still missing or corrupt. Dammit. I don't know what to do now.
- Baalak called Frustrated.
Post by: Prastary on June 20, 2010, 01:40:07 pm
Is anyone else getting this error? I'm trying to run the 36.07 SDL version. Should I have downloaded the non SDL copy? Um...The 0.32 may not work with other version than 36.06 - in 36.07 & 08 there may be changed raws, so we must wait for Ironhand to make a compatible version.
I just checked the main page, and 36.08 is out, so I'll try that. Maybe this was Toady's issue and not yours, Ironhand... Hmm, no, still missing or corrupt. Dammit. I don't know what to do now.
Post by: Ironhand on June 20, 2010, 01:43:27 pm
So I don't know why you're having trouble.
Hang in there a couple days,
and later this week I'll release 0.40.
Post by: Deon on June 20, 2010, 04:10:37 pm
Btw, awesome work, Ironhand. My main problem with your tileset was that it was hard to distinguish walls, sand and ground, and now with the new sand tile and re-adjusted colors it looks good.
P.S. I will still complain a bit, sorry :). The ice now looks "tiled", could you make it "smooth" again? It's the tile # 162 I think.
Post by: baalak on June 20, 2010, 04:25:09 pm
I'll wait for .40. I wanted for 2010, I waited for 32.07, and I can wait a bit longer for a working version. No worries.
- Baalak called Corrupted.
Post by: Hippoman on June 20, 2010, 06:43:58 pm
So then why, I wonder, is the index file missing/corrupt?
I'll wait for .40. I wanted for 2010, I waited for 32.07, and I can wait a bit longer for a working version. No worries.
- Baalak called Corrupted.
I had that happen alot.
The problem is, you have to first put down a vanilla .08 then put in graphics.
Not put in .32 then put in .08.
Post by: baalak on June 20, 2010, 06:49:51 pm
I took the folder I had been using and dumped its' contents into the recycling bin. Then I opened up the 36.08 rar and copied everything (save the Data and Raws folders) into the folder. Then I copied the Data and Raws folders from Ironhand's rar. Corrupt index.
Just now, I deleted everything and copied ALL of the .08 files into my folder. Then I overwrote the Data and Raws folders with Ironhand's. Still corrupt index.
I don't have a clue what's wrong. It worked with .06 just fine.
- Baalak called Stumped.
Post by: Hippoman on June 20, 2010, 07:04:26 pm
You do everything up to the point of data and raw placing.
IN ironhand take out the folder called graphics.
Take out the the item called ironhand.png in data/art
place them in corresponding places.
DELETE the graphics folder in .08
Post by: s20dan on June 20, 2010, 09:32:18 pm
.......
I'm thinking I might work on the 24x24 tiles in conjunction with my new 18x18 ones.
Maybe someday I'll get a 1920-pixel monitor, or maybe somebody rich would like my set.
The 32 pixel thing is totally out of the question now.
Hi I was wondering if you are still working on the 24x24 tileset, I use a 2560-pixel monitor and would love to get my hands on them ;)
Post by: baalak on June 20, 2010, 10:17:44 pm
- Baalak called Guessing.
Post by: AtomicPaperclip on June 21, 2010, 02:18:47 am
I wish there were a way to switch graphics sets when you scroll...[offtopic]
That would be AWESOME
[/offtopic]
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 05:49:57 am
But yeah, that's all been pretty much scrapped.
If it does ever happen, it'll be a second project.
I'm gonna finish this one before I start any of that.
Oh, and thanks for taking care of people for me, Hippoman.
Today I have to get a whole lot of real work done.
But maybe tomorrow, or if not than definitely Wednesday.
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 09:27:51 am
Spoiler: There's so much magic! (click to show/hide)
There's tile magic backgrounds on EVERYTHING now,
including dwarves, humanoids and critters!
The graphics backgrounds aren't actually tilemagic,
but rather they're set to be brownish grey.
Still, I think it looks pretty sweet.
Post by: Prastary on June 21, 2010, 10:05:05 am
Still, I think it looks pretty sweet.
Oh yes it is! Btw. do you plan to still work on the wall graphics, or are they final versions?
Post by: WormSlayer on June 21, 2010, 11:44:08 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 12:13:45 pm
It'll happen eventually.
Post by: Aklyon on June 21, 2010, 12:53:36 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 01:51:45 pm
Speaking of magic...
(http://i45.tinypic.com/11rdfti.png)
Yay.
Post by: Cheddarius on June 21, 2010, 01:54:23 pm
Post by: Turambar on June 21, 2010, 02:29:21 pm
Why do all my miners look like minors?
Post by: jvempire on June 21, 2010, 02:33:53 pm
Why do all my miners look like minors?Delete GRAPHICS_EXAMPLE.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 21, 2010, 03:28:13 pm
I have a request: New Chairs, Tables and Beds? :)
Post by: s20dan on June 21, 2010, 03:38:02 pm
I don't recall hearing anything about it recently, I'm afraid. It's likely fallen by the wayside, as he couldn't test it, what with it not fitting on his monitor.
- Baalak called Guessing.
Ok, thanks for letting me know all the same.
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 03:43:50 pm
The reason people are getting it back is that they're merging the folders instead of replacing it.
Since I don't have a graphics_example file in mine, it just keeps the one they already have.
If you DELETE the raw folder and REPLACE it with mine, you shouldn't have any of those problems.
I kinda like my table... but I am going to do chairs and beds, yeah.
And... unicorn soap goes for like like 60☼.
Which is pretty weak. I'm sure it's, like, glittery and everything.
Post by: baalak on June 21, 2010, 03:45:49 pm
I'm sure it's, like, glittery and everything.Well there's yer problem! What self respecting Dwarf wants to be all glittery when they wash their hands?
- Baalak called Glitterloathe.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 21, 2010, 03:51:50 pm
I dont dislike the table, it's just that all the other furniture is drawn side-on rather than from above, its a constancy thing :)
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 04:47:59 pm
Post by: LucasUP on June 21, 2010, 05:02:49 pm
Anticipating 0.4!
Post by: izzyryu on June 21, 2010, 06:01:57 pm
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/torawashi/My%20stuff/woodburner.png)
Post by: Alcoholic on June 21, 2010, 06:05:24 pm
Quote
I hope you don't mind, but I had an idea for a woodburner dwarf:
Epic
Post by: Hippoman on June 21, 2010, 06:20:04 pm
I can never tell metalsmiths apart and Military look sthe same too.
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 06:23:38 pm
Same for all craftsdwarves, and a lot of other professions as well.
I love the torch, izzyryu. I'll totally do that for the woodburner.
I'm gonna make mine with transparencies, though. = P
Post by: Deon on June 21, 2010, 07:52:32 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/10igd37.png)
Post by: Jiri Petru on June 21, 2010, 07:56:16 pm
That file is already removed from my archive.
The reason people are getting it back is that they're merging the folders instead of replacing it.
Since I don't have a graphics_example file in mine, it just keeps the one they already have.
If you DELETE the raw folder and REPLACE it with mine, you shouldn't have any of those problems.
Include an empty example.txt in your pack ;)
Post by: Ironhand on June 21, 2010, 08:00:05 pm
And thanks, Deon! He is awesome!
Leave some spriting for me to do. = P
Post by: Hippoman on June 21, 2010, 08:00:41 pm
Will this work as a furnace operator?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/10igd37.png)
Haha I'd like it better if it was a full helm instead of just goggles.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 21, 2010, 08:16:51 pm
Not sure if there are enough pixels to make it distinguishable, but I really think the miner should be wearing a helmet!
Post by: Deon on June 21, 2010, 08:22:05 pm
It's supposed to be a protective mask. I don't think they would wear full helmets for simple furnace operating though.Will this work as a furnace operator?
(http://i49.tinypic.com/10igd37.png)
Haha I'd like it better if it was a full helm instead of just goggles.
Post by: Hippoman on June 21, 2010, 08:47:36 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 21, 2010, 09:04:43 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 21, 2010, 09:05:48 pm
Post by: Alcoholic on June 21, 2010, 09:09:54 pm
Quote
Full face masks are quite rare. You don't care about your face so much. The eyes are what you want, so you wear goggles to protect them. If you're wearing a full face mask, you're probably wearing a full body suit or something because you're working with Ebola or whatnot.
Agreed, Dwarfs are hardy anyways they don't need most of their face. As long as they have their eyes and beards there good to go.
Post by: Hippoman on June 21, 2010, 09:10:11 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 21, 2010, 09:16:38 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 21, 2010, 09:18:16 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 21, 2010, 09:20:38 pm
Post by: Alcoholic on June 21, 2010, 09:24:11 pm
(Strokes fully grown beard)
Post by: Cheddarius on June 21, 2010, 09:43:12 pm
Post by: Alcoholic on June 21, 2010, 09:52:15 pm
Quote
Do you mean your fully grown beard, or your... *cough* fully grown "beard" *cough*?
Lets just say certain woman like my BEARD shaved.
Post by: Hippoman on June 22, 2010, 01:14:15 am
....what's your point?
I don't understand your point at all.
I'm not a dwarf? I don't get it.
Post by: Vince on June 22, 2010, 04:52:17 am
I hope you don't mind, but I had an idea for a woodburner dwarf:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/torawashi/My%20stuff/woodburner.png)
I fixed it for you.
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4128/downwiththenobles.png)
Down with the nobles! ;D
Post by: afoninv on June 22, 2010, 05:05:43 am
I hope you don't mind, but I had an idea for a woodburner dwarf:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/torawashi/My%20stuff/woodburner.png)
I fixed it for you.
(http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4128/downwiththenobles.png)
Down with the nobles! ;D
(http://img.pixs.ru/storage/2/3/5/downwithth_2392007_763235.png)
Urist McWoodburner has gone berserk!
Post by: Kazang on June 22, 2010, 06:01:04 am
Post by: Alcoholic on June 22, 2010, 09:18:03 am
Post by: Deon on June 22, 2010, 09:23:12 am
Post by: Robsoie on June 22, 2010, 10:15:47 am
using one of the dwarves from the tileset as a basis, i built a wrestler with some inspiration from the eighties ;) .
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/6408/hulk.png)
Post by: Alcoholic on June 22, 2010, 10:44:15 am
Post by: Wavecutter on June 22, 2010, 10:48:02 am
Post by: Deon on June 22, 2010, 11:00:33 am
Post by: wolflance on June 22, 2010, 11:12:48 am
Post by: Robsoie on June 22, 2010, 11:48:36 am
(http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1844/andre.png)
(http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2831/machoy.png)
Post by: Alcoholic on June 22, 2010, 11:56:35 am
Post by: Cheddarius on June 22, 2010, 12:17:08 pm
I don't understand your point at all.I said that in almost all professions, goggles prevail over full face masks. This is because eyes are much, much more valuable than faces. Welding is unique because it has sparks flying at you; you have to cover your entire body with either fabric or mask. However, furnace operating is not. In modern times, steel furnace operators operate with a full body silvery heat-resistant suit to protect themselves. In dwarven times, dwarves being reckless and not having the technology to make such suits, they would likely only have goggles and very long sticks.
I'm not a dwarf? I don't get it.
Then you said that if you had a full face mask, you would walk around with it on. I was confused by this, and did not understand what that had to do with anything. I interpreted this as, "I enjoy walking around with full face masks, so a furnace operator dwarf would walk around with a full face mask for fun". I said that you were not a dwarf; that is, you were unique. The average person does not purchase a welding mask and walk around with it, and there's no reason to think the average dwarf would. Besides, even if that were true, that would mean that random herb gatherers would walk around with full face masks and that's just ridiculous. Nobody would be able to tell them apart.
Anyway the main idea of a set is that you can tell dwarves apart better, and as Deon said, full face masks look too much like military. If you can make one that's distinct yet more attractive than the goggles, well, more power to you.
Post by: baalak on June 22, 2010, 12:49:27 pm
With the small pixel size, making the masks that obvious may be difficult or impossible, but the idea could work, and I, for one, wouldn't mind seeing dwarves in welding masks. That would be neat.
- Baalak called Concealed.
Post by: Alcoholic on June 22, 2010, 01:03:56 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 22, 2010, 01:50:27 pm
0.40 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
Yet another change to the color scheme!
Pastel, brownish colors that blend nicely together.
White/black tile magic backgrounds for almost everything!
Quasi-tile-magic backgrounds on dwarves, critters and humanoids!
New, distinguished pillar tile and capital letter "O".
Names with blocky Os are a thing of the past!
Several small fixes and changes.
Cheers!
Post by: Maldevious on June 22, 2010, 02:06:24 pm
Post by: Nabobalis on June 22, 2010, 02:51:06 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 22, 2010, 02:59:28 pm
I may run into problems later when it turns out I need something.
Post by: Vince on June 22, 2010, 03:20:36 pm
I only have one request: could you change the font so that it aligns to the bottom?
It looks very bad in my opinion when the letters are all hanging on different heights.
Btw: still no trees with brown trunk
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aalto on June 22, 2010, 03:40:11 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 22, 2010, 04:28:00 pm
And yeah, I haven't gotten to giving them brown trunks yet either.
Maybe I will for the next version...
Post by: Alcoholic on June 22, 2010, 04:31:48 pm
Post by: baalak on June 22, 2010, 04:59:08 pm
- Baalak called Overdoing It.
Post by: Prastary on June 22, 2010, 05:03:16 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 22, 2010, 06:33:44 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 22, 2010, 07:07:01 pm
There already is a background on gem tiles.
I'll slap one down behind the * for the next version.
I've just bumped all the capital letters up a pixel,
so they're in line with the lower-case ones now.
Baalak, keep your eyes. I need you to keep critiquing me.
Glad you're enjoying it, though.
Post by: baalak on June 22, 2010, 08:11:28 pm
I just saw my first rat, outside my fortress. It looks just like a squirrel. Perhaps you could make the tail a little more flesh-colored? I assumed it was a squirrel until I [k]'d it.
How do I set a manager? I've never done that before.
- Baalak called Picky.
Post by: Ironhand on June 22, 2010, 08:14:46 pm
You can assign any dwarf to be your manager, from the [n]obles screen.
I usually get one lucky dwarf to be a multi-tasking trader/bookkeeper/manager.
Post by: Hippoman on June 22, 2010, 08:39:25 pm
I made two. One with welding thing and one without. (I don't care if he doesn't weld, it's defining.)
With: (http://i50.tinypic.com/2rdgaqf.png) I had some trouble making the thingy.
Without: (http://i49.tinypic.com/30k6ety.png) I like this one better.
Post by: Cheddarius on June 22, 2010, 08:58:35 pm
Graphic is quite nice-looking though.
Post by: Hippoman on June 22, 2010, 09:15:56 pm
It could be the metalcrafter. That would be fine, but I just think this should be the basic sprite for all Metal needs. Armorer and such.
Here's it in action.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on June 23, 2010, 07:03:16 am
Post by: Xelnag on June 23, 2010, 09:08:24 am
Is there any chance that levers get a text with on/off (maybe even with colors green/red) for simplicity reasons?
Post by: Ironhand on June 23, 2010, 09:25:49 am
I hadn't really thought of putting text on my levers,
but I haven't made my own lever tile yet.
So maybe I will when I get around to it.
Or I'll try and make it obvious when it's on, somehow...
Anyway, check out the screenshot of the day:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/t06kpx.png)
That's the new magic backgrounds that'll be in 0.41.
Woop~
Oh, and apparently unicorn soap isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Despite a thoroughly glittery lathering, my miner's broken arm still got infected.
Post by: Theodolus on June 23, 2010, 12:04:15 pm
A suggestion for the lever (because it really is irritating when you aren't sure if it's been activated or not), maybe make it so there is a faded cog wheel or some such indicator when the lever is pulled. This can either be made to look like it's part of the lever mechanism, or it can just be superimposed over the top. The On/Off wording would work but it might mess with the consistency of the rest of the tiles.
Disclaimer - I've never actually done any tile modding so I don't know how difficult or possible any suggestions I make might be.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 23, 2010, 12:50:42 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 23, 2010, 12:51:14 pm
Not: Red bob at the end.
Pulled Green bob.
0 <--Bob
l
l
MMMM
Also I thought I might not be, seeing as its all screwy. But I deleted the graphics folder then put in the new one...
Post by: Ironhand on June 23, 2010, 02:14:03 pm
I love the ideas for the lever. Maybe I'll fiddle with that later...
Post by: WormSlayer on June 23, 2010, 05:03:21 pm
And a barrel:(http://i.imgur.com/PjHQG.png)
Post by: Alcoholic on June 23, 2010, 07:52:16 pm
Pixel art really isnt my thing, but here is my humble attempt at a lever: (http://i.imgur.com/uqqLl.png) - (http://i.imgur.com/1sZfp.png)
And a barrel:(http://i.imgur.com/PjHQG.png)
Love the barrel, Levers are good too.
Post by: Hippoman on June 23, 2010, 07:53:21 pm
Levers need to be fatter. It's hard to seem them even now.
You should copy all my raws (graphics and objects), and also my init folder and ironhand.png from the data/art folder.Can't its genesis mod, it'd screw everything up.
I love the ideas for the lever. Maybe I'll fiddle with that later...
Post by: WormSlayer on June 23, 2010, 08:22:05 pm
Levers need to be fatter. It's hard to seem them even now.
Fatter also means more shading: (http://i.imgur.com/YVGxy.png) - (http://i.imgur.com/xv6Iy.png) :)
Post by: Hippoman on June 23, 2010, 08:25:06 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 23, 2010, 10:35:50 pm
Feel free to use them if you want :)
Post by: Wavecutter on June 24, 2010, 07:56:25 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 24, 2010, 08:36:16 am
I'm kinda completely reworking everything.
I have a new .psd file and it's way cleaner and neater and everything.
Anyway, the whole thing should look a bit more crisp and sharp than before.
Here's a sneak preview of the new font. It's pretty similar to the old one...
(http://i45.tinypic.com/2nvfeyw.png)
Major differences: it's a tiny bit smaller, and it's all in line,
and there's a shadow under it that shows up when it's on a non-black background.
It looks pretty sharp. I think you guys will like it.
Also, smoother floors and new chairs! They're pretty much just tiny tables,
but I think they look pretty awesome.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/34rixvo.png)
And you can see the new TM(tm) backgrounds behind all those llamas.
And I tossed that furnace operator in there for now, too. Thanks, gents.
I made a wood-burner with a torch, too. He's pretty cool.
Now I'm off to make brand new smoothed walls! They will be epic!
Post by: Nabobalis on June 24, 2010, 08:44:51 am
Post by: Maldevious on June 24, 2010, 09:22:26 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 24, 2010, 09:30:17 am
but if you want me to take a look, I might be able to do that.
Walls first, though.
Post by: Mayama on June 24, 2010, 09:41:28 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 24, 2010, 09:45:29 am
but the table takes up the whole tile...
Post by: Aklyon on June 24, 2010, 10:31:42 am
Post by: Vince on June 24, 2010, 10:47:30 am
Post by: WormSlayer on June 24, 2010, 01:23:13 pm
So I tried actually adding my barrel and levers to the tileset, but the red lever knob comes out really dark in game... Dont really understand why but here is the PNG if anyone wants to use either of them.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hippoman on June 24, 2010, 01:32:07 pm
I so want those levers.
And that barrel.
Ironhand you must add them into it.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 24, 2010, 01:52:05 pm
I was thinking I could do a bunch of the more boring and technical tiles like trap components, but I'm not having much luck finding a guide to exactly how one mods DF tiles...
Post by: Hippoman on June 24, 2010, 01:53:52 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 24, 2010, 02:21:16 pm
Deon made the mask, though.
The reason the lever is showing up so dark is that it is overlaying that red overtop of microcline blue.
If that were a marble lever, it would look the way you intended for it to look.
Anyway, I sort of want to make my own tiles for everything eventually,
but I'm totally happy to toss those in there for now if you guys like them.
I actually don't have anything else to do tonight and tomorrow morning, so
I should be able to get the new walls done, and then I'll get into some of this other stuff.
As for how to make your own tiles, there's really no rules to it.
Just change them pixels however you want to change them.
Post by: Hippoman on June 24, 2010, 02:23:16 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 24, 2010, 05:29:37 pm
IT WOULD BE BOSS
Post by: WormSlayer on June 24, 2010, 07:17:47 pm
The reason the lever is showing up so dark is that it is overlaying that red overtop of microcline blue.
If that were a marble lever, it would look the way you intended for it to look.
Thats sort of what I figured, is there any way to avoid that?
By a guide I meant some sort of explanation to how the file formats work, that sort of thing. For example I made some trap component tiles:
Corkscrew: (http://i.imgur.com/Q6agy.png)
Axe Blade: (http://i.imgur.com/qtADY.png)
Serrated Disc: (http://i.imgur.com/sk0pv.png)
Spike: (http://i.imgur.com/XsVzd.png)
Spiked Ball: (http://i.imgur.com/kGQst.png)
But I'm not really sure what to do with them :P
Post by: Ironhand on June 24, 2010, 07:23:07 pm
The problem is, in DF all trap components use the same tile.
You can't specify which tile is used in the raws, either, unfortunately.
I probably can't explain it as well as the wiki: Give this a read (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tileset).
Post by: Cheddarius on June 24, 2010, 07:30:03 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 24, 2010, 07:52:48 pm
Anyway, speaking of sweet:...
(http://i46.tinypic.com/6f5oi9.png)
Check out those transitions from smooth to rough walls.
Pretty freaking epic, right? I am enormously pleased with them.
I'm gonna cut some transparencies through these tiles and take a look at furniture.
0.41 will be available by noon tomorrow, if not earlier.
Post by: Cheddarius on June 24, 2010, 07:58:50 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 24, 2010, 08:09:37 pm
Actually, ╖ and ╕ and whatnot are used as transitions from smooth tiles to rough ones.
I can't imagine I'm the first one to do something like this, but I couldn't find anybody else that did.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 24, 2010, 08:56:44 pm
The transition is very cool, I didnt realise it was even possible (but I'm a DF noob)! New walls look better for sure, I had better start a new fort and polish some stone!
Post by: Wavecutter on June 24, 2010, 10:13:17 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 24, 2010, 10:29:07 pm
Amazing.
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 24, 2010, 10:29:43 pm
Amazing.
Post by: Aklyon on June 24, 2010, 10:50:57 pm
Amazing.
Post by: baalak on June 24, 2010, 11:23:14 pm
Amazing.
Post by: daemoria on June 25, 2010, 12:30:18 am
Post by: Vince on June 25, 2010, 02:27:13 am
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 25, 2010, 02:28:08 am
Post by: Nabobalis on June 25, 2010, 02:54:48 am
Make a tileset that just uses the same font that Phoebus uses?
Post by: Xelnag on June 25, 2010, 06:33:14 am
Could I have a favour? :P
Make a tileset that just uses the same font that Phoebus uses?
that would be indeed sweet !
Post by: timmeh on June 25, 2010, 06:53:02 am
@Ironhand - Those are epic! This just gets better and better.
Post by: Ironhand on June 25, 2010, 07:31:02 am
0.41! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511) In all its glory!
Awesome new walls and wall transitions.
Completely remastered font, all re-aligned and re-spaced.
Sharper, crisper look and feel.
Fixed carp and other river/ocean fish showing up as drumsticks.
New chair tile.
New tile magic backgrounds that merge seamlessly with floors.
You will be amazed at how awesome your dining halls look.
I personally guarantee it. Or your money back.
A bunch of other little fixes and changes.
Post by: Xelnag on June 25, 2010, 07:42:37 am
@Nabobalis & Xelnag - You could probably do this yourself, easily enough. Just open the two tilesets in pretty much any editor that supports .png (careful with paint, don't think it saves transparency... I advise GIMP) and copy/paste the letter tiles from one into the other. If they don't fit, either resize them, or just try to get them centered in the tile. You can set up a grid in GIMP to show you where each tile is, I think the default grid is actually 10, so you could see where the center is too on a 20x20 tileset....
Thanks for the tip ;D
Awesome 0.41 is here, gonna check it out.
Post by: Prastary on June 25, 2010, 07:56:19 am
But the barrels are very dark
Post by: Ironhand on June 25, 2010, 08:03:10 am
They are the next thing on the list.
Post by: Prastary on June 25, 2010, 08:20:26 am
Post by: Prastary on June 25, 2010, 10:31:19 am
I completely don't understand one choice that you have made - why did you change the 'normal' floor graphic behind the various tiles, eg. armor stand, traps, dwarfs etc. for the 'smooth' floor graphic? Now most of the time it is at odds with the rest of floor tiles, until you smooth every floor on which the dwarves can stand, or on which you can put a trap or armor stand etc.
---------
The ice floor is again the same as ice walls.
Post by: Ampoliros on June 25, 2010, 11:04:22 am
the only criticism i can seriously muster is that with no backgrounds, dark creatures (eg, black bears) on dark backgrounds blend in too well, which can make them a bit of a pain to see...but that's pretty much it
Post by: Ironhand on June 25, 2010, 12:07:24 pm
I find the current visual effect to be actually quite pleasing.
I don't think the backgrounds really look like the smoothed backgrounds unless you've got a whole bunch of them together...
Am I wrong? Do you really like a rough background better?
...
darn ice!
I will fix it for 0.42.
@Ampoliros:
Yeah, I noticed that too.
When I get around to those, that problem will be solved.
For now, maybe I'll take a look at just outlining them or something for the next version.
Post by: Prastary on June 25, 2010, 12:15:10 pm
Am I wrong? Do you really like a rough background better?
Yes, now when eg. a cat or a dwarf goes here and there it looks like he is carrying a smooth floor tile with him everywhere. Rough tile is rough, it doesn't make such a distinct pattern, so it blends with various background nicer.
Post by: eidahl on June 25, 2010, 02:12:12 pm
Post by: s20dan on June 25, 2010, 03:35:12 pm
Cheers.
Edit// just updated to new version, those wall transitions are pretty damn good ;) Nice one.
Post by: Theodolus on June 25, 2010, 04:20:28 pm
First, the problem, something is causing the trading screen to not display the entire value of your selected items. Below are a couple images showing this in action. The only difference between the first and second image is a single selected item on the trader's list of goods.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The second slightly annoying thing are the pillars that show up at the ends of the walls. If they simply rounded off on the free end it wouldn't be to bad, but with the way they are now it appears slightly awkward. This also causes a weird look when the wall ends by bumping up against a soil wall.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Other than those two things, it's awesome! Every update makes the set a little better. Keep up the good work!
Post by: WormSlayer on June 25, 2010, 07:06:15 pm
I'm just trying it out now - first thing I notice is "Shrubs" look like coiled ropes. But at least fish dont look like drumsticks anymore :P
Actually it's just some plants called "Shrub" others with the same name have a more plant-like appearance...
(http://i.imgur.com/JhnnH.png)
I think usually there are a lot more rough than smoothed tiles visible so the rough background is going to match more often?
Maybe a 50/50 mix of the rough and smooth tiles would be generic enough for the background?
Oh and brown tree trunks? Awesome! :)
Post by: Ironhand on June 25, 2010, 07:31:27 pm
The ones that look like ropes are called whip vines, and that's exactly what they are.
I guess I'll fiddle with the backgrounds a little more...
Theodolus:
Your problem is that the number 0 currently has a solid background. This is to place a floor behind coffins.
When the 0 is displayed as black on a white background (not often, but it happens in the trade screen),
all the pixels are painted black and you just get what appears to be an empty spot on the screen.
I should be able to fix this by creating a semi-transparent background for 0s. Next version.
As for the pillars, that's how they work. I suppose I could make a square pillar or an octagonal one or something...
but pillars will be pillars, and where they get tacked on to walls is not a decision that I get to make.
s20dan:
The same tile is always used for smoothed floors and engraved ones.
Smoothed floors have a black background, and engraved ones have a white background.
In traditional tilesets, (and as I did for my walls), the artist punches holes in there so that the white shows through.
I'm gonna do that for floors eventually; I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Maybe for the next version, we'll see.
As for the screenshots, I need some of my loving fans to share theirs!
Does anybody have a solid fort they're willing to show off?
Post by: WormSlayer on June 25, 2010, 08:01:15 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/JCVHQ.png)
*LOVE* the transitions, pure win!
Not really digging the rounded pillar/wall ends but as you say it's a limitation you will have to work around.
And here is your tile sheet with my awesome lever and barrel (Slightly smaller lever so it looks nice in a row and higher contrast barrel.) ;)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on June 25, 2010, 08:47:41 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 25, 2010, 09:52:51 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7Cyid.jpg)
Post by: Prastary on June 26, 2010, 02:14:05 am
I think usually there are a lot more rough than smoothed tiles visible so the rough background is going to match more often?
Yes, exactly.
And my pillars look like this, hehe:
(http://i47.tinypic.com/34y5j87.jpg)
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I forgot to add that I played much time yesterday and I love new smooth walls, they're great!
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 26, 2010, 02:58:29 am
Aside from that, I am so happy with this, Ironhand.
YOU ARE GOOD SON OF RED NATION
Post by: Ironhand on June 26, 2010, 06:28:06 am
As for the cross-section of walls; yeah, it does look kinda cool.
But smoothed walls all use the same tile, so you wouldn't be able to specify
which type of stone was used for the inside of the walls. So when you smoothed,
say, limonite, not only would the edges smooth out, but the part inside would change.
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 26, 2010, 06:57:09 am
This is awesome. I swear this is awesome.
Post by: neverknown on June 26, 2010, 07:27:19 am
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And my pillars look like this, hehe:
(http://i47.tinypic.com/34y5j87.jpg)
you know what that symbol stands for?
i dont think thats funny.
Post by: Acanthus117 on June 26, 2010, 07:30:48 am
From Wikipedia. :D
Post by: Prastary on June 26, 2010, 08:00:12 am
you know what that symbol stands for?
i dont think thats funny.
Uh, those ugly 'nazi' ancient people, hehe...
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2e4dnd3.jpg)
Educate yourself.
Now stop the offtop and go back to praising Ironhand work.
Post by: keda on June 26, 2010, 11:12:08 am
(http://i46.tinypic.com/6f5oi9.png)That's pretty amazing stuff, cool idea Iranhand... I just wonder how that will look like blending with other kinds of rock.
Check out those transitions from smooth to rough walls.
Pretty freaking epic, right? I am enormously pleased with them.
Post by: Hippoman on June 26, 2010, 11:40:28 am
Post by: Wavecutter on June 26, 2010, 11:57:43 am
(spoilered for huge)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As you can see from this image, the totals listed at the bottom of the screenshot do not display properly for numbers above 10. 1-9 is OK.
Post by: Ironhand on June 26, 2010, 12:04:56 pm
Post by: Kazang on June 26, 2010, 12:42:55 pm
Could I have a favour? :P
Make a tileset that just uses the same font that Phoebus uses?
Phoebus's doesn't suit DF at all imo, it's too wide and sci-fi looking, I think and Ironhand's is better in terms of looking dwarfy and good. Personally I just use a standard Vera Sans Monospace (http://i.imgur.com/XRxPY.png) font and think it looks great. Editing in a new font is pretty easy. Just edit it in photoshop or gimp and use grid size that leaves the letters in the right place with the right spacing, turn snap to grid on and replace the letters. It's a bit fiddly to line them up right but it only takes a few minutes.
Anyway great work Ironhand, it really is coming along beautifully. Are you going to do diagonal or squared corner tiles for the non 90 degree corners?
Post by: Ironhand on June 26, 2010, 12:57:42 pm
There are not separate tiles for those kinds of corners,
so either you have nice square corners that zig-zag when you make diagonal walls,
or you have nice diagonal walls that don't square up nicely on the corners of square rooms.
This also looks way better in conjunction with my floors; there's no black gaps between walls and floors.
If you go for a diagonal wall set, you run into problems with that.
Post by: Wavecutter on June 26, 2010, 01:51:07 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 26, 2010, 04:00:19 pm
Skull on a spike with a thigh bone stuck through it and a pair of dangling spherical objects? :P
Post by: Kazang on June 26, 2010, 06:52:26 pm
Post by: Harmonica on June 26, 2010, 07:20:55 pm
One thing: isn't it pretty much a no-no to have rounded things inside a dwarven construction? I think it's pretty heavily ingrained in their ethos to avoid rounded edges because they represent aesthetics over efficiency.
As such I'm not really a fan of those pillars. But the walls, smoothed or otherwise, look really great. You've done a great job on making DF looking totally different.
Post by: Ironhand on June 26, 2010, 07:57:46 pm
WormSlayer: that is very cool... I haven't swiped any of your art yet, but it's impressive.
You're honestly cool with me integrating some of these?
Post by: HeliumFreak on June 26, 2010, 09:28:56 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 26, 2010, 09:50:15 pm
Post by: Snook on June 27, 2010, 12:20:12 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 27, 2010, 07:32:20 am
HeliumFreak: I keep saying I'm gonna do that, and then I never do.
This next release, though, I promise! If I forget again, bother me until I do it!
Post by: HeliumFreak on June 27, 2010, 08:45:27 am
Post by: WormSlayer on June 27, 2010, 01:47:40 pm
Here is the modified version of your tileset I'm using right now - I had to make all mine a tiny bit smaller so they line up nicely.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note: While you cant place skull totems like furniture, you can put down a stockpile that only allows finished goods of the type "totem" and set the max bin number to 0.
(http://i.imgur.com/eU18B.png)
I think I'm just going to randomly replace graphics that bug me. Obviously some of the more annoying ones are those tiles used for 20 utterly different looking objects but what can you do!
Bit of feedback:
- There were a couple of spots where the drop shadow on the font bled over into the next tile.
- You changed the background for loose stone to an even darker one? It should be the regular rough ground?
Post by: s20dan on June 27, 2010, 04:34:26 pm
The same tile is always used for smoothed floors and engraved ones.
Smoothed floors have a black background, and engraved ones have a white background.
In traditional tilesets, (and as I did for my walls), the artist punches holes in there so that the white shows through.
I'm gonna do that for floors eventually; I just haven't gotten around to it yet. Maybe for the next version, we'll see.
I had wondered how it was done, thanks.
Post by: Snook on June 27, 2010, 04:44:35 pm
see the difference between designated stone walls and the floor (unsmoothed.) Also I feel like the loose stone tile and ore tile should be switched - they look like the other right now.
Post by: izzyryu on June 27, 2010, 06:43:36 pm
I was also sorta bugged by the fact that turtles and gems share the same tile. I made this wonky-looking dude:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/torawashi/My%20stuff/turtlesprite.png)
And assigned tile 158 to turtles in the raws. (It's the one right next to the splint/rope reed graphic).
EDIT: Ingame shot:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/torawashi/My%20stuff/ingame.gif)
Post by: WormSlayer on June 27, 2010, 08:36:39 pm
Also "toys" being displayed as the super mario coin block made no sense to me? How about a shiny little gift box instead?: (http://i.imgur.com/BWdwM.png)
izzyryu: I dont see any turtles or gems in that screenshot? Cute turtle though :)
Post by: Hippoman on June 27, 2010, 09:03:25 pm
I've got a fort up using this tileset at DFMA, if you're curious how it looks in an established fort. Here you go. (http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-9033-splatterhammers)
I was also sorta bugged by the fact that turtles and gems share the same tile. I made this wonky-looking dude:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/torawashi/My%20stuff/turtlesprite.png)
And assigned tile 158 to turtles in the raws. (It's the one right next to the splint/rope reed graphic).
EDIT: Ingame shot:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/torawashi/My%20stuff/ingame.gif)
I see no turtles.
Skulls are cool! I'm now using this one for corpses: (http://i.imgur.com/v4n0S.png)
Also "toys" being displayed as the super mario coin block made no sense to me? How about a shiny little gift box instead?: (http://i.imgur.com/BWdwM.png)
izzyryu: I dont see any turtles or gems in that screenshot? :)
awesome corpse!
Post by: baalak on June 27, 2010, 09:26:28 pm
- Baalak called Observant.
Post by: Hippoman on June 27, 2010, 09:39:56 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 27, 2010, 10:26:19 pm
Post by: baalak on June 27, 2010, 10:27:17 pm
It took me a moment to see them, myself.
- Baalak called Naturalist.
Post by: Hippoman on June 27, 2010, 10:54:39 pm
Haha just kidding. Its the coloring's fault.
Post by: Snook on June 27, 2010, 11:58:31 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 12:37:12 am
I just noticed I've been copy-pasting the wrong background onto all my tiles so they didnt mesh with all Ironhand's :S
I've been experimenting with 3/4 perspective and tweaking some of the tiles I already made, here are some screenshots:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hippoman on June 28, 2010, 12:56:57 am
Maybe if you make the head and legs a different colour to the shell?
I just noticed I've been copy-pasting the wrong background onto all my tiles so they didnt mesh with all Ironhand's :S
I've been experimenting with 3/4 perspective and tweaking some of the tiles I already made, here are some screenshots:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Become ironhands assistant. NOW.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 01:44:17 am
(http://i.imgur.com/czY3z.png)
Should food barrels look different? I was thinking maybe crates instead of barrels?
Edit: Actually they have *very slightly* different brightness levels, the keen-eyed may be able to tell them apart :P
Post by: Hippoman on June 28, 2010, 02:38:52 am
Post by: Prastary on June 28, 2010, 02:42:56 am
I've got a fort up using this tileset at DFMA, if you're curious how it looks in an established fort. Here you go. (http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-9033-splatterhammers)
How beautiful it looks in full resolution! Why must I use it in 1280x1024, oh why? :'( :'( :'(
Why Toady doesnt remove this ugly stupid 80 horizontal tiles requirement...
Post by: TealThanatos on June 28, 2010, 04:06:55 am
If I knew how to merge the cool little mineral icons from phoebus into ironhands tileset I would do it :( I've grown too accustomed to being able to see at a glance where I can find fuel/gems/iron/etc!
Post by: TealThanatos on June 28, 2010, 04:15:04 am
If you can get some icons like phoebus's ones for the minerals I will swap over to your tileset from his and declare you the king of dwarf fortress for all time :) I keep starting to play using yours and find myself going back to phoebus cause I find it too hard to locate the minerals I need >_< hehe
Post by: Prastary on June 28, 2010, 04:22:29 am
I've been experimenting with 3/4 perspective and tweaking some of the tiles I already made, here are some screenshots:
I hope that Ironhand will not mix 2d with isometric - I hate isometric and love 2d.
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If you can get some icons like phoebus's ones for the minerals
I also hope that Ironhand will leave the stone walls realistic, as they are (maybe improving them even more). Copying Phoebus walls to Ironhand tileset is more than easy, if you wish to do so. Use for example http://www.getpaint.net/
Post by: Vince on June 28, 2010, 05:02:22 am
I also hope that Ironhand will leave the stone walls realistic, as they are (maybe improving them even more). Copying Phoebus walls to Ironhand tileset is more than easy, if you wish to do so. Use for example http://www.getpaint.net/It's not that easy. The raws are different.
And why can't we just use Phoebus' system with realistic tiles?
It doesn't have to be a symbol, you know - just make it like the gems: More valuable? Bigger gem!
Post by: blub-dwarf on June 28, 2010, 05:27:22 am
it seems we are a bit off topic
here is ironhands graphic set.
:)
i like his mod and not phoebius one if i did i would download the other one.
Post by: Xelnag on June 28, 2010, 06:56:13 am
0.41 rocks btw, looking forward to those turtles/totems/bones if they get in ;D
Post by: TealThanatos on June 28, 2010, 07:10:56 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 28, 2010, 07:50:21 am
(I hope to make everybody happy eventually)
Seriously, though; those barrels are HOT, WormSlayer.
The 3/4 perspective stuff isn't doing quite as much for me.
I think I like my square-perspective tables and chairs better...
I don't know if Hippoman is joking about you becoming my assistant,
but I feel like that's pretty much what's gonna happen.
If you want in, PM me an email address or a Skype account or something,
and I'll send you the layered Photoshop document. (I hope you use photoshop?)
Post by: Ironhand on June 28, 2010, 10:18:36 am
I'm on DFMA.
You're the only one I've seen, though.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 12:46:18 pm
The current mixture of side-on, top-down and 3/4 perspective tiles kind of annoys the OCD side of me that likes consistency but it kind of works for the barrel though?
Ironhand: I'd be happy to properly collaborate rather than just randomly hacking up your tileset, and of course a PSD with layers would be hugely useful! I'll PM you in a sec!
Must say I also have a bit of trouble easily picking out minerals and small gems from the surrounding rock - Especially gold and orthoclase I find myself having to squint and look for the subtle difference in pattern...
Maybe try and make those tiles a bit darker with distinct veins of minerals/gems running through them?
Post by: Ironhand on June 28, 2010, 12:52:26 pm
Anyway, all my creatures and dwarves and everything are 3/4, too.
But yeah, iso-tables don't work in a non-iso environment.
I like it on a grid so that they fit together nice.
Post by: Ironhand on June 28, 2010, 02:06:08 pm
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2n65h84.png)
The shadow around/under the number is now transparent,
so when it paints it as black-on-white, you can still see the numbers.
I added the same effect to every number to make them all uniform.
I am really starting to like it.
I think I'll refine it (I feel like the outline should be a bit bigger so it's easier to see),
and maybe even add it to the rest of the alphabet as well. That way, letters like
capital O in Depots, and lower-case os in a bunch of workshops will look better too.
I guess the downside is that the intro screen will look kinda silly with lines of bricks behind the letters.
But I dunno, it might be worth it if it makes your fort look that much cooler.
What do you guys think?
Post by: Vince on June 28, 2010, 02:16:58 pm
But I still don't know if I liked the dirt/grass background a bit better...
Maybe you could release alternate versions? So everyone would be happy.
And in case you forgot (and I know you didn't ;D): Better ores would be ultra cool. With different pebble/strand sizes, depending on type/value -
like RantingRodent (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=29706.0). It's like Phoebus' with graphics instead of icons.
Combined with your tile magic... *daydreams and drools*
Post by: Hippoman on June 28, 2010, 03:15:13 pm
Post by: Prastary on June 28, 2010, 03:26:19 pm
But I still don't know if I liked the dirt/grass background a bit better...
Maybe you could release alternate versions? So everyone would be happy.
+1. I changed for myself all the tiles to earlier versions with dirt background in the main .png file, but changing the dwarves .png is not so simple...
Post by: Star Weaver on June 28, 2010, 03:30:22 pm
:)
Post by: TealThanatos on June 28, 2010, 05:20:59 pm
The floor tiles rock, and the blended smooth walls thing rocks my world!
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 05:36:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/EssRC.png)
Not sure how weird this tile will look when appearing as other things...
Anyone got a request for a tile they badly want replacing?
Post by: Hippoman on June 28, 2010, 06:31:35 pm
Post by: LucasUP on June 28, 2010, 06:43:22 pm
I like the bricks-behind-numbers, but will that look weird for liquids with depth-display?
Post by: afoninv on June 28, 2010, 07:10:51 pm
Post by: Harmonica on June 28, 2010, 08:29:24 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 28, 2010, 08:42:58 pm
But in my opinion, it doesn't really matter, it looks fine. And I really like having these crates, they look nice and help differentiate between food/drink.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 08:49:50 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Z5JuU.png)
Harmonica: Thats the tile for "prepared food" - It's also listed as being for a dozen other things (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tilesets) too, so not sure if it will actually work...
They do show up randomly in un-revealed ground.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Anvil?
(http://i.imgur.com/4XZ95.png)
Post by: TealThanatos on June 28, 2010, 09:25:52 pm
Post by: LucasUP on June 28, 2010, 09:34:03 pm
Harmonica: Thats the tile for "prepared food" - It's also listed as being for a dozen other things (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tilesets) too, so not sure if it will actually work...
They do show up randomly in un-revealed ground.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
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37 - "%"
Prepared meal, unexplored underground, screw pump in action
* Siltstone*, Slate*, Brimstone*, Kimberlite *, Bismuthinite*, Realgar*, Stibnite*, Marcasite*, Olivine*, Orthoclase*, Microcline*, Petrified wood*, Brimstone*, Pyrolusite*
Source: http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tilesets#ixzz0sCoKXCoQ
Uh oh. At the very least screw pumps are going to look like an alteration of barrels and boxes when activated. May be confusing/distracting.
Post by: Daywalkah on June 28, 2010, 09:46:23 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 10:13:59 pm
Do stockpile tiles not look like that for you?
Post by: Aklyon on June 28, 2010, 10:43:15 pm
Having tried it out, I do think they look better side on with a bit of perspective:Why is there dotted lines outlining the walls? it looks weird.
(http://i.imgur.com/Z5JuU.png)
Post by: Patchouli on June 28, 2010, 10:44:34 pm
Probably means it's engraved.Having tried it out, I do think they look better side on with a bit of perspective:Why is there dotted lines outlining the walls? it looks weird.
(http://i.imgur.com/Z5JuU.png)
Post by: Hippoman on June 28, 2010, 11:21:33 pm
Always has.Probably means it's engraved.Having tried it out, I do think they look better side on with a bit of perspective:Why is there dotted lines outlining the walls? it looks weird.
(http://i.imgur.com/Z5JuU.png)
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 11:30:30 pm
That tile could be better used, if for nothing else than a workshop-like graphic?
(http://i.imgur.com/AUcFs.png)
Post by: Hippoman on June 28, 2010, 11:32:07 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 28, 2010, 11:46:29 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 29, 2010, 12:03:08 am
Post by: Star Weaver on June 29, 2010, 12:36:50 am
Post by: Prastary on June 29, 2010, 03:21:13 am
Anyone got a request for a tile they badly want replacing?
Maybe better cages?
Post by: Thundrim on June 29, 2010, 05:27:02 am
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Post by: Ironhand on June 29, 2010, 07:56:40 am
Sorry I'm missing all this.
On Thursday (and maybe even tomorrow),
I'm gonna sit down and show you guys some love.
But for now I'm still pretty busy.
Yeah, I don't use ; for bushes, so I love the idea to make it a workshop tile.
Thanks for keeping people entertained, WormSlayer. You're the dwarf.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 12:26:05 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zoTE4.png)
I've been staring at the same few pixels for so long now I cant even tell O.o
Post by: Turambar on June 29, 2010, 12:38:47 pm
Do these look like a traps?
(http://i.imgur.com/zoTE4.png)
I've been staring at the same few pixels for so long now I cant even tell O.o
I think traps should remain a bit abstract. I mean, you can load a weapon trap with 10 spears or 10 serrated discs. would those things look even remotely alike?
Post by: Vince on June 29, 2010, 12:59:49 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 01:17:41 pm
I think traps should remain a bit abstract. I mean, you can load a weapon trap with 10 spears or 10 serrated discs. would those things look even remotely alike?
Maybe the foothold-trap is just a part of the trigger that holds them in place while the spears or whatever shoot out? :)
But yeah I totally agree, I did try various little tripwires and pressure plate sort of things but that didnt work.
And yeah it should also, if possible, kind of look like a volcano... O.o
I'm open to suggestions!
Post by: afoninv on June 29, 2010, 01:35:15 pm
(with maybe some spikey bits that can be seen protruding from the crater; on world map this could be pretended to look like lava drops)
Post by: Star Weaver on June 29, 2010, 01:39:01 pm
Post by: Snook on June 29, 2010, 01:40:29 pm
Post by: afoninv on June 29, 2010, 01:42:34 pm
(http://img.pixs.ru/storage/9/4/3/trapPNG_3514910_782943.png)
Isn't it of little detail and too abstract? Ironhand's set is rather detailed...
Post by: Aklyon on June 29, 2010, 03:15:16 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 29, 2010, 03:44:05 pm
Also, incomplete.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 04:10:09 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/JSV1C.png)
Post by: Ironhand on June 29, 2010, 04:47:48 pm
Not sure I'm quite so excited about that one,
but it's still an improvement over the one I've got.
But anyway, just FYI, .42 is gonna be even more awesome than 0.41.
Not just because of WormSlayer... okay, mostly because of WormSlayer.
And also because it's the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
And I think I might be contributing a pachyderm or two of my own.
Thursday.
Post by: Wavecutter on June 29, 2010, 05:11:43 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 05:43:51 pm
I did make a more 3D cage that looked cool, but I couldnt see how it would work for vertical bars too...
Weapon Rack?
(http://i.imgur.com/hyyJk.png)
Advanced new bucket technology, with handles!
(http://i.imgur.com/Ckas1.png)
Post by: TealThanatos on June 29, 2010, 06:53:52 pm
Mario & Luigi
Abbot & Costello
Ying & Yang
.... Ironhand & Wormslayer? :D
Post by: Wavecutter on June 29, 2010, 06:59:21 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 07:49:15 pm
Rough finish? (http://i.imgur.com/huwbA.png) or more pronounced Brickwork? (http://i.imgur.com/z1L3G.png)
(Well is also used for other things that may look odd made from bricks...)
Post by: TealThanatos on June 29, 2010, 08:10:44 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on June 29, 2010, 08:14:05 pm
I like the brickwork.
Post by: Star Weaver on June 29, 2010, 08:52:18 pm
I prefer the pronounced brickwork but I guess that depends... what else does the well represent... ant nests? I can live with that... :) Anything else?
Quote from: DFWIKI
09 ○ Well, bracelet, ant colony, millstone, quern, bottomless pits in the local embark map screen (if enabled)(None of which are changeable)
The shape resembles a wide bracelet (short bracer?) and the bottom part of a millstone (where the flour ends up), so that seems mostly ok.
Post by: Robsoie on June 29, 2010, 09:03:37 pm
I like the brickwork.Now this is a job for ... Dwarfio !
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/299/dwarfio.png)
Post by: Wavecutter on June 29, 2010, 09:27:20 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 09:39:41 pm
Now this is a job for ... Dwarfio !
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/299/dwarfio.png)
Freaking AWESOME!
Pump operator maybe? Thats kind of plumbing? :P
Weapon racks now with added shading :D
(http://i.imgur.com/V19cv.png)
Post by: Robsoie on June 29, 2010, 09:42:16 pm
Superb work gentlemen.
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 09:56:25 pm
Post by: TealThanatos on June 29, 2010, 11:03:59 pm
Keep up the awesome work *high five!*
Post by: WormSlayer on June 29, 2010, 11:44:34 pm
Looking good worm, is there a way to make the 'rack' of the weapon rack stand out a bit more? To my untrained eye it looks like weapons lying on the ground unless I squint :D
Keep up the awesome work *high five!*
Hows this? :D
(http://i.imgur.com/ZU2pE.png)
Post by: Prastary on June 30, 2010, 03:04:19 am
Cage / Vertical bars? (And "on fire"...)
(http://i.imgur.com/JSV1C.png)
Square cage is nice.
Post by: Wavecutter on June 30, 2010, 09:00:03 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 30, 2010, 10:25:19 am
All credit to Ironhand, he hand crafts each pixel where I rely on an i7 and insane amounts of anti-aliasing! :)
Hey, 3D art is a skill as well.
And one in which you are very gifted.
Anyway, let's put those gifts to good use.
You said you wanted some direction, so:
For the levers, what if instead of red and green,
it was dark when it was off, and bright when activated.
I feel like that would be cool, because microcline levers
would still look good, and stuff like that.
As far as your "remains" goes, I don't think I like it right now.
Everything except the skull is so dark that it blends with the bricks.
I think for now I'll stick with the one I stole from... I think Phoebus.
But if you could get one to look, like, totally generic, I'd totally love that.
Actually, I think I might take a crack at it myself this afternoon.
I'm also gonna make some tropical animals.
Anyway, another thing you could take a look at would be chests and cabinets.
I'd love to have some awesome WormSlayer-original storage furniture for 0.42.
Post by: Ironhand on June 30, 2010, 11:03:13 am
*trumpet*
Post by: Hippoman on June 30, 2010, 11:28:24 am
That cage would make a nice hatch.Indeed.
Needs to be more isometric.
Post by: wolflance on June 30, 2010, 11:30:40 am
(http://i49.tinypic.com/2hyflz9.png)*Boatmurdered Dwarfs scream in fear*
*trumpet*
Post by: Hippoman on June 30, 2010, 11:31:33 am
I like the brickwork.Now this is a job for ... Dwarfio !
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/299/dwarfio.png)
Indeed this has to be pump operator. No exceptions.
Post by: Cheddarius on June 30, 2010, 12:22:47 pm
I zoomed in to the image and it's surprising how different it looks up close.
How do you do that, Ironhand? How do you make so few pixels look like an elephant? It is like magic.
Post by: HeliumFreak on June 30, 2010, 12:35:15 pm
How do you make so few pixels look like an elephant?
I think you just get the general outline of an easily recognizable elephant pose then just colour it in with a square brush
Post by: Ironhand on June 30, 2010, 12:38:27 pm
Needs to be more isometric.
You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
Post by: Hippoman on June 30, 2010, 12:41:37 pm
Post by: Ironhand on June 30, 2010, 12:44:17 pm
It is said to Vincini.
But yeah, alright.
Post by: Hippoman on June 30, 2010, 12:49:19 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on June 30, 2010, 12:50:15 pm
I think you just get the general outline of an easily recognizable elephant pose then just colour it in with a square brushYeah, but... but...
(http://i49.tinypic.com/5prler.png)
Never mind my poor drawing skills, it seems like there has to be something special to put so much detail in it. I looked at it up close. The elephant's tusk is three pixels. Three friggin' pixels! How do you do that?! It's got curve and everything - how do you make such a detailed tusk from three pixels?
Post by: Ironhand on June 30, 2010, 12:52:06 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 30, 2010, 01:04:24 pm
I think you just get the general outline of an easily recognizable elephant pose then just colour it in with a square brushYeah, but... but...
(http://i49.tinypic.com/5prler.png)
Never mind my poor drawing skills, it seems like there has to be something special to put so much detail in it. I looked at it up close. The elephant's tusk is three pixels. Three friggin' pixels! How do you do that?! It's got curve and everything - how do you make such a detailed tusk from three pixels?
MAKE IT BIGGER.
Thats shit tiny.
Post by: Star Weaver on June 30, 2010, 01:35:17 pm
Yeah, but... but...
(http://i49.tinypic.com/5prler.png)
Never mind my poor drawing skills, it seems like there has to be something special to put so much detail in it. I looked at it up close. The elephant's tusk is three pixels. Three friggin' pixels! How do you do that?! It's got curve and everything - how do you make such a detailed tusk from three pixels?
Google "pixel art" ?
I remember finding a site that discussed sprites from Secret of Mana and some other console games, which included things like a discussion on how if you have a 4x4 outline for a character's hand, deleting (thus rounding) any one or two of the corners changed the charecter's body language substantially...
Don't have time to go try to find it myself :-\.
I think he made the elephant tusk look curved with that and/or something like antialising, but I haven't looked at it for long.
Post by: HeliumFreak on June 30, 2010, 01:55:14 pm
the gems in ironhand's tiles would need some sort of way to make them more noticeable, maybe a bit bigger, or instead of 1 round gem, a few ones
This is already the case. Im not sure if its not applied to all gems (if thats possible?) or if its based on their value but heres the proof
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vince on June 30, 2010, 02:17:04 pm
It's based on their value. Maybe he meant that the smaller ones are a bit too small.the gems in ironhand's tiles would need some sort of way to make them more noticeable, maybe a bit bigger, or instead of 1 round gem, a few onesThis is already the case. Im not sure if its not applied to all gems (if thats possible?) or if its based on their value but heres the proof
Also I would prefer the same system to be used with ores and stones.
Post by: Xelnag on June 30, 2010, 02:33:50 pm
On a side note... that elephant DID remind me of boatmurdered, looking forward to him and maybe mario too? hah
Post by: WormSlayer on June 30, 2010, 03:32:18 pm
I also like the current remains, I just had a skull laying around from making totems :P
All the tiles I've done so far needed tweaking for visibility, this is what my remains look like right now:
(http://i.imgur.com/XFHij.png)
Oh and there is an ant hill well next to my refuse pile :D
And here are what the levers look like with dark and light knobs:
(http://i.imgur.com/a2dLN.png)
Post by: blub-dwarf on June 30, 2010, 04:02:34 pm
if i want to change the black space between the smoothed floores change to white. Do i need to change the background behind the dwarfs too?
thanks
Post by: Xelnag on June 30, 2010, 04:26:40 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on June 30, 2010, 07:39:24 pm
Levers revisited.
(http://i.imgur.com/bSeHO.png)
The on lever here is as bright as it's possible to make it because of the way the game colours things based on material.
Post by: TealThanatos on June 30, 2010, 07:51:50 pm
So when are we gonna get a new version!! (I made the change from Phoebus and am just living with hunting down rock types by endlessly scrolling my loo'K' cursor over all the exposed walls :( hehe)
EDIT: Just to give you an idea of my troubles...
(http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/4222/gneisssilver.png)
That's Gneiss with a vein of silver running through it... it's easy to see the silver vein right now by the silver left on the floor, but when looking at the walls I have real trouble telling the gneiss from the silver at a glance. If I focus on the spot I can *just* make out the difference, but to me it needs to be different enough that metals stand out over stone.
Is it just me??
Post by: TealThanatos on June 30, 2010, 07:57:35 pm
What you guys are doing is literally going to bring DF to a bigger audience, you watch. I think a lot of people nowadays are put off by the graphics and you're fixing that as we speak :)
I know a friend of mine rejected DF cause of the graphics... if I take it back to him with a complete ironhand/wormslayer set he'd change his mind, and I think that'd go for a lot of other people too.
Have you considered making the gem markers shaped like:
_
\/
like a cut diamond, instead of round? I know that its not realistic as such but as an abstract it immediately screams 'gem!'
Hope you guys don't mind my little suggestions :) I hold no ill feelings if you reject any of my thoughts, I just wanna throw ideas out there to assist you ;) I fully expect some of my ideas to be crap but... no harm in stirring up discussion right? :D
Post by: WormSlayer on June 30, 2010, 09:34:49 pm
Cabinets are still giving me trouble, but how about this for new chests?
(http://i.imgur.com/rkJUd.png)
Post by: TealThanatos on June 30, 2010, 09:45:39 pm
It might be hard, but I reckon it's important to get it so that stone, dirt, metal, gems and coal are all easily distinguishable. It doesn't necessarily have to go as far as them being distinguishable from each other, for example, we don't need to see a major difference between granite and slate, they can both look like stone, and both be grey.
What's important I think is being able to look and easily see veins of ore/coal amongst the stone, so therefore it's important to have a different graphic for each 'type' of minable tile :)
Good luck easily mining a vein of gold in a bunch of orthoclase as it is haha
I wait in anticipation of the next release, dynamic duo!
Post by: WormSlayer on June 30, 2010, 11:01:22 pm
But, IMHO it is a "chest of drawers". A "cabinet" is different, taller bit of furniture?
Something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/y4s6g.png)
Post by: TealThanatos on June 30, 2010, 11:17:50 pm
Post by: Hippoman on June 30, 2010, 11:43:02 pm
*THUNDA CLAP*
Post by: Wavecutter on June 30, 2010, 11:49:52 pm
Post by: Theodolus on July 01, 2010, 12:08:36 am
The chest seems a little big compared to the other tiles. I know that you are limited in the amount of detail you can smoosh into smaller spaces, but making it a touch smaller with a shadow or something might alleviate the issue.
The cabinet looks a little awkward to me. This could be because of preconceived notions of what a cabinet is. When I think a cabinet I think of a taller structure with all doors. I would suggest doing one of two things. Either make it have two tall doors (this may make it seem more like a wardrobe though), or turn the left side of drawers into two equally sized doors. I think the latter suggestion would be the most cabinet like.
Disclaimer: You could leave a gob of stuff exactly the way it is and I would still play with this tile-set. I'm not a pixel artist and am amazed at the detail you manage to squeeze into these tiles.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 01, 2010, 01:02:27 am
(http://i.imgur.com/mUEjQ.png)
Also new mechanism gears:
(http://i.imgur.com/NdONp.png)
A tweaked Masonry Workshop/Kitchen tile that blends a lot better with the generic workshop (counter?) tile:
(http://i.imgur.com/BgC22.png)
And ever-so subtly different, but totally redone Levers:
(http://i.imgur.com/wtAvr.png)
(Bane of my life now! lol!)
And yeah I will probably revisit the cabinet in the near future! :)
Post by: Bloogonis on July 01, 2010, 01:05:49 am
I have yet to use this set, but it is top on my to do list when I 1) go back to the new version and 2) go back to graphics (which should come around the same time I return to the new version)
A lot of people have trouble with walls and floors looking to much alike, a way to fix that would be to have a more pronounced edge on the wall tiles. sort of like a more subtle version of your transition effect might work? I dont know if that is possible at all though.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 01, 2010, 01:14:49 am
I can only imagine what wonders Ironhand has in store regarding the walls and stuff :)
Post by: Cheddarius on July 01, 2010, 01:37:57 am
Post by: TealThanatos on July 01, 2010, 01:41:01 am
I would suggest a name change to the Ironworm set :P But I think the Ironhand branding has already set in... it'd be like Coca-Cola changing their name now >_<
Post by: Cheddarius on July 01, 2010, 01:55:47 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 01, 2010, 02:24:36 am
3D cage?
(http://i.imgur.com/kgCF6.png)
:D
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 01, 2010, 02:25:41 am
Post by: Bloogonis on July 01, 2010, 02:37:57 am
Post by: TealThanatos on July 01, 2010, 02:40:23 am
EDIT: Any idea when we can expect an updated download? I'm dying to see all this awesomeness in my own fort! :D
Post by: ILikePie on July 01, 2010, 03:14:45 am
Post by: TealThanatos on July 01, 2010, 03:44:21 am
Post by: Vince on July 01, 2010, 03:47:58 am
So: PLEASE give us ore symbols, differentiated by value, oh mighty Ironworm! :D
(you can even recycle his raws to have value thresholds, that's what I did - makes the whole thing more compatible and easier to learn for coverts ;) )
cage: I like 2d better. The perspectives are more consistent that way, i think.
Post by: Prastary on July 01, 2010, 03:51:14 am
Post by: TealThanatos on July 01, 2010, 05:09:34 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 05:56:34 am
A few quick answers before breakfast:
0.42 will be released sometime TODAY.
I don't see my relationship with the Worm as a competitive one at all.
I think this collaboration will not only increase the quality of my set,
but also at least double the speed with which it is updated and grown.
I'm off to breakfast. I'll be back in a bit and I'll answer everything else.
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 07:16:29 am
Ore doesn't stick out from stone.
I guess I tend to gravitate towards gritty, similar, blending stone tiles.
I like a realistic wall enough that I sacrifice playability for it...
Now that I've figured out how to paint transparent tiles better,
I will go back and repaint a bunch of my old ore and stone tiles.
I think if they've got some real transparencies to them, they'll be way better.
Not for this release, though.
Gems could use some love too. Maybe make them diamond shaped?
I love this idea. The gems we've got right now I snatched from somebody else.
I think this would be a great thing for WormSlayer to make for me, actually.
WormSlayer: you render it at 4 different sizes (maybe 6, 9, 12, and 14 pixels tall),
and I'll slap some magic backgrounds down behind them and put in the shines and stuff.
Are our ceaseless comments and suggestions and critiques a good thing?
They most certainly are! Keep it coming! Challenge us to make nothing less than the best graphics set ever!
WormSlayer: Hey, lookit; I made some stuffs! *stuffs stuffs stuffs*
Oooo, them's some lovely stuffs. More specifically:
Chest: maybe a little weird... bit it's an improvement.
Cabinet: lovely. I feel like it could be even better, though.
Mechanisms: Hot.
New workshop tile: HOT.
New levers: H. O. T.
New cage: Lovely, but I think I agree with the gents.
Some praise and stuff.
Yay. We love you too. <3
Now I'm off to finish up 0.42.
Get excited.
Think Deep.
Post by: Vince on July 01, 2010, 07:25:36 am
Okay, let me go down through the list and give some responses:
Ore doesn't stick out from stone.
I guess I tend to gravitate towards gritty, similar, blending stone tiles.
I like a realistic wall enough that I sacrifice playability for it...
Now that I've figured out how to paint transparent tiles better,
I will go back and repaint a bunch of my old ore and stone tiles.
I think if they've got some real transparencies to them, they'll be way better.
Not for this release, though.
If that's the case: would you mind if I did an alternate version that would consist of the value-differentiated ores I keep whining about? :D
It would consist of different stone raws and a changed tileset.
Edit: Is it just me or are the capital letters not vertically aligned? (visible in the ESC-menu)
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 07:42:54 am
So I'll probably end up doing that myself anyway.
And... I hope they're aligned. I thought I fixed that.
Post by: Vince on July 01, 2010, 07:48:42 am
Eh, I think everybody else wants value-differentiated ores too.Hehe, ok then.
So I'll probably end up doing that myself anyway.
And... I hope they're aligned. I thought I fixed that.Yes, the horizontal alignment. But not the vertical.
Post by: Flick on July 01, 2010, 08:59:42 am
One problem I'm having is pretty low contrast for highlighted text in some/most menus.
Not sure if I'm just blind, or if it is a problem with my monitor or something, but in e.g.
in the military screen I'm having a hard time figuring out which column is highlighted.
Other than that, and of course the hardly distinguishable ores/gems/stone, it's pretty much perfect :D
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 09:06:35 am
The worst one is green vs. light green (like the military screen).
Maybe I'll change them a little bit for this release.
Vince: I slid the capital letters sideways a bit so that
there wouldn't be gaps at the beginning of words.
Kind of a band-aid for the monospaced font.
Do you not like it? Should I move them back?
...
Anyway, I put bricks behind text, with transparent shadows:
(http://i49.tinypic.com/5upet1.png)
And I also put some bricks on that
tile right before the alphabetic characters.
And apparently, that one's used for menus:
(http://i48.tinypic.com/260yf46.png)
(not ones like the z-menu; just sidebar menus)
I think it's pretty awesome.
But then I went and looked underground...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Whoops.
I guess that might be distracting...
I dunno, though, it's almost worth it.
Maybe I could make it darker or something?
Or maybe I'll release it this way and you guys can
try it out and see if you like it or if it's too confusing.
What do you guys think?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 01, 2010, 09:12:28 am
Post by: Wavecutter on July 01, 2010, 09:13:47 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 01, 2010, 09:17:00 am
Post by: Thundrim on July 01, 2010, 09:27:26 am
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Post by: Prastary on July 01, 2010, 09:40:32 am
Maybe if you made it a rough stone texture instead of a block texture...
This was proposed a zyllion times, a rough texture instead of "smooth" texture behind tiles, because there is more rough tiles in game than smooth.
Post by: Xelnag on July 01, 2010, 09:48:09 am
Looking forward to 0.42 today !
Post by: s20dan on July 01, 2010, 09:54:06 am
Looking forward to 0.42 today !
Yes yes
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 09:55:10 am
Yeah, I suppose you're right.
I guess I know how I'm gonna spend the night.
We might have to push the release back to tomorrow at noon.
But it will be worth it.
It will have rough floor tiles under everything,
all of WormSlayer's awesome new furniture,
elephants, plus maybe hippos and gorillas,
tile magic punctuation (when black-on-white)
and all sorts of other awesome stuff.
For now, I have to go do real work for a few hours.
By 6 or 7 I should be agonizing over these floors,
and by tomorrow morning sometime, I'll share the love.
I may get back online tonight.
Cheers for now.
Post by: Vince on July 01, 2010, 10:18:41 am
Vince: I slid the capital letters sideways a bit so that
there wouldn't be gaps at the beginning of words.
Kind of a band-aid for the monospaced font.
Do you not like it? Should I move them back?
I meant this: http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7504/badfont.png
Keep up the good work! :)
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 11:47:35 am
I guess it was a bad idea. I will build it again tonight.
Post by: Hippoman on July 01, 2010, 12:07:19 pm
I was just going to show off a slightly smaller version of the chest :)
(http://i.imgur.com/mUEjQ.png)
Also new mechanism gears:
(http://i.imgur.com/NdONp.png)
A tweaked Masonry Workshop/Kitchen tile that blends a lot better with the generic workshop (counter?) tile:
(http://i.imgur.com/BgC22.png)
And ever-so subtly different, but totally redone Levers:
(http://i.imgur.com/wtAvr.png)
(Bane of my life now! lol!)
And yeah I will probably revisit the cabinet in the near future! :)
HAHA my furnace operator strikes again.
Post by: Aklyon on July 01, 2010, 02:03:53 pm
Post by: Vince on July 01, 2010, 02:55:56 pm
By the time this reaches v1, It'll probably be batter than Mayday's for showing new people Dwarf Fortress.
Excuse my boldness, but I think it already is.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 01, 2010, 03:17:03 pm
HAHA my furnace operator strikes again.
That little dude is an expert photo bomber! :P
Trying out Theodolus' suggestion of replacing the drawers on the left side of the cabinet with another couple of doors. (And yes with 2 full length doors it was undeniably a cupboard...)
Drawers: (http://i.imgur.com/qGnQa.png)
Doors: (http://i.imgur.com/0txBs.png)
Post by: afoninv on July 01, 2010, 03:19:18 pm
Post by: Theodolus on July 01, 2010, 03:27:22 pm
The handles on the left side might be nice with a bit more definition, but that might make them look weird. *shrugs*
Also, I agree, seeing a stone version would be nice, to ensure it looks good in all the material types.
Post by: Nabobalis on July 01, 2010, 03:30:47 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 01, 2010, 03:40:39 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/YiugE.png) ~ (http://i.imgur.com/Rn0mR.png)
(And yes I did change the second one a bit :P)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 01, 2010, 03:50:53 pm
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 01, 2010, 04:06:58 pm
:)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 01, 2010, 04:09:19 pm
Cages: Revisited... Still flat but with a subtle hint of depth?
(http://i.imgur.com/ZshnG.png)
Post by: Theodolus on July 01, 2010, 04:14:11 pm
I like either cabinet at this point. Though it would be interesting to see one with two doors on bottom and a long drawer on top... I'll have to try my hand at pixel art one of these days if I keep hanging around this thread. :D
For the cage... it's nice, but still seems more hatch or bars like than cagey. But I honestly have no idea what to do to make it looks more like a cage.
Edited to not sound so pretentious. :-\
Post by: Xelnag on July 01, 2010, 04:45:30 pm
Post by: Star Weaver on July 01, 2010, 04:50:42 pm
Post by: Meanmelter on July 01, 2010, 05:23:13 pm
I shall now name my Military Captain Ironhand. Maybe see if I can get him to adopt some Lamas.
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 05:32:11 pm
I am honored.
EDIT: (http://i46.tinypic.com/149s2eo.png) Pppbt!
Post by: Meanmelter on July 01, 2010, 05:38:00 pm
Awesome.Nah, I have not started. Going to see if I can get four statues that are about you or Lamas and going to make them visible at my entryway.
I am honored.
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 01, 2010, 05:41:40 pm
WE MUST GIVE HIM PROPER TRIBUTE
Post by: Meanmelter on July 01, 2010, 05:46:35 pm
IRONHAND IS A GODCan't think of anything but that.
WE MUST GIVE HIM PROPER TRIBUTE
I would drop some items in a Large Pit with a fire in the center as a Sacrifice, but the fire would go out and I can not re-do the fire as I would have sealed the Pit.
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 01, 2010, 05:48:54 pm
DON'T HOG THE MAIDENS MEANMELTER
/capslock is cool yo
Post by: Meanmelter on July 01, 2010, 05:55:02 pm
WE SHOULD GIVE HIM OUR PRETTIEST MAIDENHE IS ALREADY MARRIED TO THE PRETTIEST MAIDEN AND HAS ALREADY HAD 3 KIDS!
DON'T HOG THE MAIDENS MEANMELTER
/capslock is cool yo
Also, his wife is almost a Legendary Lasher. No I do not want to know how she got High Master with it.
She also leads a squadron of Recruits, I use her as the Trainer Person, as she is a Skilled Teacher.
So I guess "The Dwelling Iron" Gets a 10x5 Meeting Area all for themselves.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that one of your babies were snatched.
Post by: Urist McFail on July 01, 2010, 05:58:18 pm
Excuse me for being dense, but are these displayed in adventurers mode (never played that mode) or just the world map before embark?
Personally, if its only the embark map, I don't see what the problem is, I mean, before the graphics tiles it was probably a " or an @ or something.
Feel free to change them anyhow is necessary and screw the world map!
Or, is there no way to swap a graphics tile upon embark? that way a custom ileset could be made for the world map? is the map fully loaded into memory at game startup? can it be purged/reloaded?
Post by: Hippoman on July 01, 2010, 05:59:43 pm
I think I prefer the one with drawers but I'm still open to suggestions and will mess with it some more later.
Cages: Revisited... Still flat but with a subtle hint of depth?
(http://i.imgur.com/ZshnG.png)
NO. Ehh Thats a hatch on the floor.
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 06:02:17 pm
Don't give WormSlayer a rough time. He's awesome.
But yeah, that cage isn't your best work.
GORILLA (http://i45.tinypic.com/2czxac5.png)
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 01, 2010, 06:03:11 pm
HES ADORABLE
((although I won't like him as much when he kills my dwarves))
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 06:22:44 pm
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 01, 2010, 06:23:37 pm
HES FUCKING ADORABLE
Man, this is awesome.
Post by: Kazang on July 01, 2010, 06:29:09 pm
Elephant is pro, really very nicely done.
The chest is nice.
Mixing 2d with 3d or isometric perspective gets a bit confusing and looks messy from an art point of view, as it just doesn't make sense for continuity. Exceptions being things like tables where you have to give an isometric view to give it a shape as it would just be a square in plan. So sticking with the 2d cage and such is the better option I think.
The Cabinet needs symmetry, it looks lop sided or kind of on its end if it doesn't. The old "chest of drawers" version is a decent approximation but your right that it's not a cabinet as such.
Personally I would do something like this (http://imgur.com/tt52O.png) which is just a roughly edited version of yours. Since it's 18x18 and you had the old version with a off centre line in the middle it looks a little off so it may be better to make the centre line 2 wide of offset the whole thing 1 pixel and make it symmetrical, I didn't bother centring it as it's just for illustration and quite sure you could do a better job. But that kind of look is a little more appealing, in my opinion at least the simplicity of symmetry suits it better.
I'm not a big fan of the trap tile either, it does look like bear trap right enough and more specific than the old tile but looks kind of "messy" in game. The old trap tile is abstract and can make you instantly think generic trap but also volcano, which is something that is lost with the more detailed one. Since none of the traps are actually bear traps makes it a little odd as well, since the older graphics were abstract it didn't matter so much. But that's a minor point and is personal preference as much as anything.
Levers need to stand out more I think. Particularly the on/off states, red/green even if it is dulled by material colour slightly is better than dark and slightly brighter. If you are thinking about colour blind people then using black as off and bright green for on would help. Also I think it would be better if you separated the "handle" part from the "mechanism" part a little. So it looks something more like a real ratchet mechanism lever. At the moment i think it looks like a babies rattle with half of the round bit cut off. My google-fu is failing me so i can't find a good picture of what I mean but I will post something later.
Any chance of providing a version with transparent backgrounds for the ones with the smoothed tile background such as the meat, leather, brackets, parentheses and such?
Same with the text/numbers just a basic font without drop shadow or any nonsense like that. Please :D
psd/xcf would be just as good (if you do have backgrounds and text effects as separate layers that is) if you don't want to bother messing about for the minority(?) that prefer clean fonts and backgrounds.
TL:DR Art is awesome, but needs tweaks. I <3 the elephant. Also clean text version please! :D
Post by: Hippoman on July 01, 2010, 07:13:05 pm
Dammit wormslayer you did too good.
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 07:56:49 pm
I'm not using your bucket yet, WormSlayer,
because the bucket I kinda prefer one without a handle?
Because I'm using it for tunnel tubes as well as buckets.
If people really like the one with the handle, though,
I guess I could dedicate one of my precious extra tiles to tunnel tubes.
I currently have... I think five. I was planning on using them for plants anyway.
Oh, and it might or might not get slipped into this release,
but we could totally use a WormSlayer bed.
The one we've got is kinda boring.
Post by: TealThanatos on July 01, 2010, 08:03:12 pm
The cabinet with the drawers is the best one. Don't make it symmetrical, that ruins it! :)
Buckets without handles, still looks like a bucket but can be used for other things as well, makes sense.
The latest cage is the best one.
Your animal sprites are awesome Ironhand!
Not sure what you meant about the floors, but yeah, the 'void' needs to be black, making it unexplored and mining it out is part of the fun. Making it look like smoothed floor not only detracts from the importance of how AWESOME your smoothed floors look, but detracts from the game as well, breaks immersion a bit :)
You're talking about making the floor stones look rougher? I hope you don't mean the smoothed stone floors! They're supposed to look smooth ;) hehe
Thanks for answering my questions before too, appreciate it :D
Keep it up gents!
Post by: Wavecutter on July 01, 2010, 08:07:03 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 08:10:28 pm
So... here's what I've got right now:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/14lrama.png)
It's pretty dark. Is it void enough for you?
Or should I just go back to plain black?
Post by: Ironhand on July 01, 2010, 08:29:02 pm
will be released before noon tomorrow! It will be epic.
Any last (easy) requests; post them now.
I will read them in the morning.
Good night, Bay 12.
Think deep.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 01, 2010, 08:30:20 pm
Post by: TealThanatos on July 01, 2010, 08:31:06 pm
:) G'night!
Post by: Hippoman on July 01, 2010, 09:28:31 pm
Post by: Meanmelter on July 01, 2010, 09:43:31 pm
WHY CAN'T EVERYTHING HAVE IT'S OWN TILE?!Always wanting to do it the easy way ehh?
Post by: Hummingbird on July 01, 2010, 09:44:00 pm
It's pretty dark. Is it void enough for you?
Or should I just go back to plain black?
It IS plain black, on my screen. I've been annoying about how dark the tileset was before, but might I take this moment to recommend lowering the brightness of your screen while you tile?
Post by: Thundrim on July 01, 2010, 10:03:49 pm
Speaking of compromise, when there is doubt, maybe hint of a perspective? I modified the given example of the cage to illustrate this, Cage design and work belongs to WormSlayer, as shown earlier in this very thread. Just a quick butcher job.
(http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w95/Sernon/ZshnG01.png?t=1278040995)
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Post by: Robsoie on July 01, 2010, 10:17:45 pm
I would love to be able to use different sets for different parts of the game. Doesn't work that way, though.A gorilla that needs to be put into a cage ?
Don't give WormSlayer a rough time. He's awesome.
But yeah, that cage isn't your best work.
GORILLA (http://i45.tinypic.com/2czxac5.png)
That's a job for someone superdwarvenly strong ... Superdwarf !
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/694/superdwarf2.png)
Post by: Theodolus on July 02, 2010, 12:00:10 am
As far as the void space, I think I could get used to the darker tiles. I know that I really like it behind the letters, but at the same time I would really like to see the void and letter backing done in a rough stone type of look.
Other simple requests... how about an Ironhand/Wormslayer door? Not that the existing one is bad or anything, but it'll be replaced sooner or later and I can't see that being a terribly complicated tile to re-do. But then, who'd have thought the cabinet would generate the amount of controversy it did? :D
Post by: TealThanatos on July 02, 2010, 12:33:17 am
Post by: diriel on July 02, 2010, 12:33:57 am
I would love to have something very similar to your current cage door for a Wall / Floor grate graphic. Also I wonder it if would be possible to make some kind of Murder Hole graphic for Fortifications? I just changed to the Ironhand tile set, and honestly I have not yet got far enough into the fort to really see first hand all the goodness! But the screenies i have seen are pretty impressive.
Thanks for all the hard work guys!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 02, 2010, 12:40:40 am
Yeah, me too. I think.Yeah, that's sufficiently voidy. Can you show us how will text look on that?
So... here's what I've got right now:
(http://i50.tinypic.com/14lrama.png)
It's pretty dark. Is it void enough for you?
Or should I just go back to plain black?
Post by: Hippoman on July 02, 2010, 01:11:30 am
It's pretty dark. Is it void enough for you?
Or should I just go back to plain black?
It IS plain black, on my screen. I've been annoying about how dark the tileset was before, but might I take this moment to recommend lowering the brightness of your screen while you tile?
I can see the pattern. It's like a checkerboard for some reason.
Post by: Xelnag on July 02, 2010, 03:07:10 am
Post by: Prastary on July 02, 2010, 03:41:36 am
Any chance of providing a version with transparent backgrounds for the ones with the smoothed tile background such as the meat, leather, brackets, parentheses and such?
Same with the text/numbers just a basic font without drop shadow or any nonsense like that. Please :D
psd/xcf would be just as good (if you do have backgrounds and text effects as separate layers that is) if you don't want to bother messing about for the minority(?) that prefer clean fonts and backgrounds.
Yes, an alternate png added to the pack with no backgrounds would be great.
And the new animals are beautifull. Cannot wait to see what you will do with humans and elves.
Post by: Ironhand on July 02, 2010, 07:18:14 am
WormSlayer hath done much awesome!
In the form of furniture:
A cabinet,
a chest,
some levers,
a skull totem,
barrels and bins,
a weapon rack,
a toy box,
a cage,
a trap,
a well,
mechanisms,
and an anvil.
The font has been completely redone and realigned,
and it has super-special magic backgrounds.
There is an alternate tileset in the package
without background for text and numbers
(and with perfectly black void tiles).
Just change
"ironhand.png" to
"ironhand_clean.png"
in your init.txt file, in data/init.
Also, new elephants!
And gorillas!
And all the tilemagic backgrounds have been changed
from smooth masonry floors to rougher stone ones.
Tile magic punctuation!
When text is drawn white-on-black,
all the commas and quotes and everything show up.
Enjoy!
Post by: Patchouli on July 02, 2010, 07:27:57 am
Tile magic punctuation!That's pretty awesome.
When text is drawn white-on-black,
all the commas and quotes and everything show up.
Post by: Ironhand on July 02, 2010, 07:29:46 am
Post by: TealThanatos on July 02, 2010, 07:57:37 am
We're not worthy! We're not worthy!
Awesome man, thanks for the update, woohoooo! I will name my two most important Dwarves Ironhand and Wormslayer in your honour!
Post by: TealThanatos on July 02, 2010, 08:00:52 am
Post by: Thundrim on July 02, 2010, 10:45:58 am
It looks like the darkened "void" pattern also manage to create an emergent grid when repeated, this invade the senses in new and unexpected ways. This is an initial impression. mind you.
The outlined letters on the main play screen, as in the Dwarf Fortress title, give about the opposite impression compared to the nice solid font we can observe otherwise. I can see it is used to highlight letters in various menus, but it comes out as very hollow, and it appears far from solid and not very stony, ( at least not when outlined in that manner) compared to everything else. Nice effect with the highlighting though!
That be all for now, well done!
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Post by: Kazang on July 02, 2010, 11:20:56 am
Thanks a lot for the clean text version.
Post by: Vince on July 02, 2010, 11:50:35 am
Post by: Aklyon on July 02, 2010, 01:04:55 pm
And again bundled with the game... :DIronhand! don't forget to make the separate version! (you told us to remind you of that)
Post by: Ironhand on July 02, 2010, 02:57:57 pm
Alright, fine.
Here (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617).
Post by: WormSlayer on July 02, 2010, 03:44:11 pm
Maybe this front-on, with a little bit of perspective cage can contain him? :P
(http://i.imgur.com/OhICv.png)
Post by: Xelnag on July 02, 2010, 03:59:54 pm
Post by: Thundrim on July 02, 2010, 04:19:19 pm
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Post by: diriel on July 02, 2010, 05:02:01 pm
hmm...i hear dwarves screaming...time to go!
Post by: flatlander on July 02, 2010, 05:05:28 pm
By the time this reaches v1, It'll probably be batter than Mayday's for showing new people Dwarf Fortress.
Excuse my boldness, but I think it already is.
As a new* player I agree... this is the first tileset I stumbled on a two weeks back and I love it...
* new players may have played old school games like zork, muds, and rogue/etc.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 02, 2010, 05:26:10 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/e3Tfi.png)
New beds?
(http://i.imgur.com/MNNoX.png)
Though really they should just have a single pillow because only one dwarf can sleep at a time?
Post by: diriel on July 02, 2010, 05:35:04 pm
Having *Fun* cya!
Post by: Jiri Petru on July 02, 2010, 05:45:16 pm
Also, to seem less off-topic, I'm really digging this tileset. I've tried to use it on my 1280x800 but it looks too blurry, so tough luck. I envy you guys who can use it in full resolution. I'm thinking of buying a new monitor, and this tileset is one of the (many) reasons for it.
Post by: Wavecutter on July 02, 2010, 07:26:54 pm
Cage in game:
(http://i.imgur.com/e3Tfi.png)
New beds?
(http://i.imgur.com/MNNoX.png)
Though really they should just have a single pillow because only one dwarf can sleep at a time?
Dwarves can share beds.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 02, 2010, 07:41:57 pm
A gorilla that needs to be put into a cage ?
That's a job for someone superdwarvenly strong ... Superdwarf !
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/694/superdwarf2.png)
You should make a mod where there is a small chance of Superdwarf showing up during a siege and punching the shit out of all the goblins? :P
Post by: LucasUP on July 02, 2010, 07:54:27 pm
One thing quickly: I don't see the tile-magic punctuation when text is white-on-black (like on main menu screen)
Used the upgrade version
New beds?
(http://i.imgur.com/MNNoX.png)
Though really they should just have a single pillow because only one dwarf can sleep at a time?
I like the look of the base of the bed, but the small two pillows make it very hard to identify as a "bed". Looks more like a empty slab of rock. Make the pillows bigger, or yeah, just make one (big) pillow.
Post by: TealThanatos on July 02, 2010, 07:57:22 pm
Sorry to say it wormy old pal but I don't like those new beds D:
Maybe it's the scale or something, the bed looks tiny compared to the dwarves... drop it back to one pillow, even though dwarves share, the great thing about this tileset is the subtle mix of symbolism and realism, and that bed is too far towards realism and so it makes it seem out of place, in my opinion :)
Post by: Hummingbird on July 02, 2010, 09:17:34 pm
Post by: Patchouli on July 02, 2010, 09:33:33 pm
Just checked out the new version quickly, looking awesome.Yeah, I tried it out, it looks like it works the other way around, when it's black on white.
One thing quickly: I don't see the tile-magic punctuation when text is white-on-black (like on main menu screen)
Used the upgrade versionNew beds?
(http://i.imgur.com/MNNoX.png)
Though really they should just have a single pillow because only one dwarf can sleep at a time?
I like the look of the base of the bed, but the small two pillows make it very hard to identify as a "bed". Looks more like a empty slab of rock. Make the pillows bigger, or yeah, just make one (big) pillow.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 02, 2010, 09:51:32 pm
Post by: TealThanatos on July 02, 2010, 09:52:46 pm
Post by: s20dan on July 02, 2010, 10:00:07 pm
Cheers.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 02, 2010, 10:22:00 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zgXUt.png)
Also that blanket is blue in the base tile, but the brown tint of the wooden bed makes it appear green, kind of cool?
And "OFF Lever" Version 500.2
(http://i.imgur.com/kCAp6.png)
Edit: Damn forgot to adjust brightness on its base... v500.3 coming up :P
Post by: Aklyon on July 02, 2010, 10:34:10 pm
Have the raws changed at all in the latest version? I usually just replace the raw graphics and Art folders, just want to make sure I won't be missing out on anything else, as I use modified raws and can't be arsed to keep changing them ;)not unless you count the llamas that have been included since the beginning.
Cheers.
Post by: Thundrim on July 02, 2010, 10:44:24 pm
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 02, 2010, 11:49:50 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/R5QPd.png)
Post by: Hippoman on July 03, 2010, 12:31:07 am
Cage in game:Love the cage.
(http://i.imgur.com/e3Tfi.png)
New beds?
(http://i.imgur.com/MNNoX.png)
Though really they should just have a single pillow because only one dwarf can sleep at a time?
Love the fact that my guy is in there.
Love the newest beds.
Love the doors.
Post by: s20dan on July 03, 2010, 12:51:13 am
not unless you count the llamas that have been included since the beginning.
Thanks, I have the llamas so my raws must be up-to-date
Even though they are actually shorter now, with a bit of perspective the beds look longer?
(http://i.imgur.com/zgXUt.png)
Wormslayer, wow I like those beds, nice one.
Was just wondering if anyone knew this:
With every graphics pack I have used so far, metal doors always look metal-like until you actually place them, then they look like the regular stone doors. Whats up with that?
Post by: TealThanatos on July 03, 2010, 02:00:14 am
Post by: TealThanatos on July 03, 2010, 05:05:49 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 03, 2010, 06:19:09 am
Post by: Kazang on July 03, 2010, 09:19:11 am
Little doorknobs and keyholes?
(http://i.imgur.com/R5QPd.png)
Perfect.
Post by: Ghundio on July 03, 2010, 12:51:29 pm
Is there a way to make use of this graphic set with Civilization Forge 2.1? I tried just installing the mod over an installation of v 0.42 but all the gems and mineral veins seemed to be messed up.
(http://i46.tinypic.com/27zz2uf.png)
I have a feeling that flint isn't supposed to look like barrels...
Post by: Wavecutter on July 03, 2010, 01:21:56 pm
Post by: Aalto on July 03, 2010, 01:42:34 pm
Edit: which wouldn't actually do anything for new stone types and such, so nm me.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 03, 2010, 02:20:23 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 03, 2010, 05:22:16 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/cF3wf.png)
I swear that little dude can tell when I'm going to take a screenshot! He wasnt even dropping off a cage or caring for the animals, he just came and stood there! :P
Post by: Meanmelter on July 03, 2010, 06:02:33 pm
Slightly smaller cages :)Say 'Camel Cheese!'
(http://i.imgur.com/cF3wf.png)
I swear that little dude can tell when I'm going to take a screenshot! He wasnt even dropping off a cage or caring for the animals, he just came and stood there! :P
Post by: Thundrim on July 03, 2010, 06:04:19 pm
Slightly smaller cages :)
(http://i.imgur.com/cF3wf.png)
I swear that little dude can tell when I'm going to take a screenshot! He wasnt even dropping off a cage or caring for the animals, he just came and stood there! :P
Haha. They have a mind of their own sometimes. Like Aulë in Tolkien's world, Toady animated the Seven Dwarves, and now they live even when he is not around. We are part of a new Mythology here.
Nice work on all those little objects at any rate, the new door is... adorable. :D
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Post by: Harmonica on July 03, 2010, 06:41:31 pm
Have you guys considering using tile and colour magic for the doors? You can do some funky things with transparencies on the doors, so that doors of particular materials show up with a two tone effect.
LordZorintrhox pulled it off with his Dwarfletter Gothic set:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=38737.0 (copper doors with patina for example look amazing)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 03, 2010, 06:55:01 pm
As they are currently in our tileset, doors mostly work except with certain materials...
(http://i.imgur.com/k9yC9.png)
(Like Cobaltite in the middle there.)
Also I *REALLY* like how the Z level below the one your looking at is more visible in that tileset! May have to "borrow" that idea :D
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on July 03, 2010, 07:03:11 pm
Good work :]
Post by: WormSlayer on July 03, 2010, 07:10:02 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Aklyon on July 03, 2010, 07:33:21 pm
Funny you should say that Harmonica, I was just actually trying to figure out WTF is up with doors... They seem to use either the foreground colour, or the alpha channel depending on which material they get made from?i think the cobaltite doors look cool.
As they are currently in our tileset, doors mostly work except with certain materials...
(http://i.imgur.com/k9yC9.png)
(Like Cobaltite in the middle there.)
Also I *REALLY* like how the Z level below the one your looking at is more visible in that tileset! May have to "borrow" that idea :D
But I can never find any, so i won't have any neato doors. :(
Post by: Star Weaver on July 03, 2010, 07:54:01 pm
Can you usually build cages out of lead? I can't remember; but I did add a bunch of item tags to various metals. Lead cages show up as completely black tiles. Maybe something needs to be changed about lead to make it work.
Post by: Ghundio on July 03, 2010, 08:01:10 pm
The raws for Ironhand/Wormslayer GFX set depends upon heavily modified raws. To make it work you would have to hand edit the raws to fit.
I've got time, energy drinks, record keeper job set so I'll give it a try. Also notepad ++ has this handy compare plugin that should make this relatively easy... I hope.
All I have to change is the grid locations, correct?
Sweet, it worked.
Post by: Bloogonis on July 03, 2010, 08:21:18 pm
Quick hack, but I think it has potential?last set I was using was DLG, and this was a feature that gave amazing depth, but wasn't really noticed unless you suddenly didn't have it. It looks amazing too! But thos blank spots are always a let down, cant wait to see what you can do with this effect. *holds breath in anticipation*Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Harmonica on July 03, 2010, 09:34:39 pm
Quick hack, but I think it has potential?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I actually never noticed that Z-level below effect was even there in that other mod.. but now you've experimented with it, I got to say, I love it! I think I like how it's a little darker than the current Z-level too.
As for the doors, I couldn't get my head around how DF works out the colours for them - it relies on alpha channels and transparency on the tiles and blending of the foreground and background colours/brightnesses, and modifying the settings for minerals in the raws so that they have particular colours. But then you probably knew that.
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 03, 2010, 10:52:25 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 03, 2010, 10:57:10 pm
Is it just me or are iron cages completely black ?
Probably, it seems there are a few palette issues to sort out :D
(http://i.imgur.com/tmLdl.png)
Post by: TealThanatos on July 03, 2010, 11:47:14 pm
Post by: Vince on July 04, 2010, 08:32:39 am
Is it just me or are iron cages completely black ?
Probably, it seems there are a few palette issues to sort out :D
(http://i.imgur.com/tmLdl.png)
It's a tad too dark, but I love it.
I always to that with my custom tilesets, too :)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 04, 2010, 01:27:19 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/aLipk.png)
Could you guys with lead and iron cages give this tilesheet a go and post a screenshot of what they look like? :)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hippoman on July 04, 2010, 02:02:15 pm
Slightly smaller cages :)
(http://i.imgur.com/cF3wf.png)
I swear that little dude can tell when I'm going to take a screenshot! He wasnt even dropping off a cage or caring for the animals, he just came and stood there! :P
He's trying to tell me something... Probably that he's awesome and wants to be a star.
Quick hack, but I think it has potential?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Theres something I was trying to do either those lines, that mean weapons. Can't we make them LOOK like weapons? Not just sticks?
Post by: Star Weaver on July 04, 2010, 02:38:52 pm
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However:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vince on July 04, 2010, 03:14:11 pm
My cobalite doors don't seem to look like yours. The upper right is cobalite, the lower two are microline. Which also dosen't quite look exactly like yours either.
Your color file is different from his, I guess.
About the "sticks" not looking like weapons:
It's part of the "tile transition" animation, a ballists tile and bolts.
So I guess you could only make them "spear" like at most without them looking out of place.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 04, 2010, 03:17:29 pm
My cobalite doors don't seem to look like yours. The upper right is cobalite, the lower two are microline. Which also dosen't quite look exactly like yours either.
Yeah thats probably my bad - I edited the post to point to a slightly modified image where the doors were using the same trick as the cages, I was hoping I did it before anyone downloaded but I guess I was too slow :D
If you re-download that test tilesheet, doors and cages should look even better :)
Theres something I was trying to do either those lines, that mean weapons. Can't we make them LOOK like weapons? Not just sticks?
Oh, now I get what you mean! Those are arrows and crossbow bolts. It's one of those annoying tiles used for several important things that we cant (yet) change...
It's a tad too dark, but I love it.
Yeah it's too dark for me in that shot too, but thats how dark it has to be, to be darker than floor tiles...
Ironhand has yet to work his magic upon them, but these basic gem shapes are more obvious?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vince on July 04, 2010, 03:54:03 pm
Ironhand has yet to work his magic upon them, but these basic gem shapes are more obvious?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
To be honest, I liked them as they were: raw. It's more realistic that way.
I my opinion the visibility problem could be more easily tacked if there were not one, but several small gems for the lowest value - maybe three.
Then two bigger ones for the next value, then one big one, then one huge one for the last value.
The same for ores.
Does this sound good?
Post by: WormSlayer on July 04, 2010, 04:23:37 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/9pEoI.png)
Post by: Solace on July 04, 2010, 04:58:47 pm
Post by: Vince on July 04, 2010, 05:09:16 pm
The old tiles (from the first releases) were best in my opinion.
PS: I just sat here for a minute and wondered what the blue thing in the stone wall could be, until i realized it's just a mushroom.
The backgrounds make them like look they belong to the walls.
Is that fixable with more tile magic?
Post by: WormSlayer on July 04, 2010, 05:29:10 pm
But yeah just trying some stuff out :)
There seem to be a few inconsistencies between various background tiles, a symptom of how many times Ironhand has tweaked them I think. I'm sure when he gets back he will whip them all into shape!
Post by: Vince on July 04, 2010, 05:43:24 pm
Well to be fair, rough gemstones are pretty much different coloured rocks :PI know, hehe :D It's always realism vs. playability!
But yeah just trying some stuff out :)
There seem to be a few inconsistencies between various background tiles, a symptom of how many times Ironhand has tweaked them I think. I'm sure when he gets back he will whip them all into shape!Nice to hear!
Post by: Thundrim on July 04, 2010, 05:45:46 pm
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 04, 2010, 07:21:47 pm
Just assume anything not in an official release by Ironhand is me goofing about and may or may not make it into the finished version :)
Post by: TealThanatos on July 04, 2010, 08:05:09 pm
Lovin' the work.
Post by: Star Weaver on July 05, 2010, 02:39:47 pm
Some things appear black on black: designated placement spots for beds, cabinets, chests; an engraving of a dwarf on a floor.
Trees and boulders no longer appear from later above.
Interior open space is very dark and hard to tell apart from some floors. (the upper floors are quartzite and mica)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I think that's all the buggish-things. I'm not sure I like the current chairs; the flat ones before looked good surrounding tables on all sides, these I'm not so sure about. Then again, I might have liked the (two-pillow) overhead bed more too :)
Post by: Hippoman on July 05, 2010, 02:52:56 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on July 05, 2010, 04:32:03 pm
(http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/32/capturecd.png)
The item on the left is an unbuilt screw pump, the item on the right is a built screw pump.
Post by: Passive Fist on July 05, 2010, 11:12:34 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 06, 2010, 06:06:58 am
Barrels use the same transparency/alpha method as the doors and cages so they should be an easy fix.
Will have to have a look and see if Star Weaver's problems are also related!
Post by: Ironhand on July 06, 2010, 06:47:16 am
Oh, hey guys, by the way. I love you all.
It's great to see WormSlayer cranking out stuff here.
I'm looking forward to getting back and getting my hands on it.
It'll probably be next Tuesday before I actually have any time to do so.
Anyway, I hope you guys are enjoying the set! Stay awesome!
And let me know if you put anything else on DFMA. I love that.
Post by: Meanmelter on July 06, 2010, 02:31:00 pm
Post by: Star Weaver on July 06, 2010, 07:45:22 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 06, 2010, 11:34:47 pm
Two-tone doors based on material foreground and background colours?
(http://i.imgur.com/MiQdO.png)
(Claystone / Microcline / Cobaltite / Orthoclase)
Hmm, come to think of it, basically everything could use this method...
:)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2d7gao4.jpg)
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 06, 2010, 11:41:31 pm
Post by: Star Weaver on July 07, 2010, 12:01:12 am
Not really sure which tile you mean... :D
Two-tone doors based on material foreground and background colours?
(http://i.imgur.com/MiQdO.png)
(Claystone / Microcline / Cobaltite / Orthoclase)
Hmm, come to think of it, basically everything could use this method...
The bottom tile in the left shop, the middle tile in the middle two. I think it's some sort of equipment pile?
Pretty doors, too ^_^. Doors are one of the things that really moved me away from a pure tileset to begin with, because most of them looked ugly in the middle of smoothed walls; only liked the ones with no bgcolor...
Post by: Hippoman on July 07, 2010, 01:43:35 am
Post by: TealThanatos on July 07, 2010, 03:12:01 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 07, 2010, 11:12:58 am
The bottom tile in the left shop, the middle tile in the middle two. I think it's some sort of equipment pile?
After consulting the wiki, the "]" tile may actually not be anything to do with clothing... Maybe it's supposed to be a work bench or something?
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91 [ Clothing, armor, item stack opening tag, text
93 ] Floor tile in workshops and furnaces, item stack closing tag, text, clothing?, armor?
wow, if you can two tone the doors to make them match the background colour, could you make the backgrounds on the dwarves and such dynamically match the ground to satiate the people who find that annoying? Personally I don't mind it at all but some seem to :)
Was just wondering if anyone knew this:
With every graphics pack I have used so far, metal doors always look metal-like until you actually place them, then they look like the regular stone doors. Whats up with that?
I've spent ages trying to figure this out... I'm guessing its a bug?
Post by: Harmonica on July 08, 2010, 12:56:15 am
I LOVE THAT LAST DOOR. The orthoclase one.
This, a million times. ORTHOCLASE, IT IS THE FUTURE.
No cobaltite doors for me though unless I mod the mineral colours, yuck :(
edit: here's a question, does anyone else like me prefer to avoid making forts out of things like chalk or talc because of the ridiculousness of thinking anyone would want to live in a chalk fortress, or that it would be at all defensible? I just will not build fortifications or doors out of silly materials!
*looks up orthoclase*
GOOD, igneous rocks.
Was just wondering if anyone knew this:
With every graphics pack I have used so far, metal doors always look metal-like until you actually place them, then they look like the regular stone doors. Whats up with that?
I've spent ages trying to figure this out... I'm guessing its a bug?
I remember trying to track that down. Not sure if I figured it out.
But you know that Dwarfletter set I posted about? I think he had fully working metal doors, and tiles for both.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 08, 2010, 07:31:00 am
I also try to build things from appropriately realistic materials when I can. I suspect this habit will pay off in the future when gobbo's start trying to dig tunnels into your fort?
I will install that tileset and see if I can figure out why his doors work and ours dont!
Post by: Wavecutter on July 08, 2010, 07:54:18 am
Post by: Star Weaver on July 08, 2010, 12:11:52 pm
ETA: Re building materials; two fortresses ago I built everything out of rock salt because I had a really stupid large amount of it. I actually built an extrior rock salt wall with rock salt statues on it. Then I looked up rock salt and wondered how that worked in the rain. (Crystal salt statues would work in a nice dry place, I think.)
My current site contains vast amounts of granite, diorite, and dacite (i think). Looking up the latter two, diorite is superhard and was used for paving, and dacite looks like the rocks they put around the pond here, so I'm probably good for structure there :) (Plus I strip-mined a big funnel over the entrance to my site, so I've got 99+ of all of them now)
Post by: TealThanatos on July 08, 2010, 09:52:15 pm
I also try to use rational material when I build/make stuff. Who wants a chalk or limestone floodgate? They would just melt.
You're probably imagining chalk like blackboard chalk, which is processed. Chalk the mineral is just as sturdy as limestone or sandstone, and was used to construct thinks such as medieval churches and such, just as sandstone and limestone was.
Old Churches, old train stations... etc etc in england, you will find made of chalk.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 09, 2010, 12:00:31 am
(http://i.imgur.com/xV9xB.png)
Post by: Wavecutter on July 09, 2010, 10:51:23 am
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Post by: Meanmelter on July 09, 2010, 10:54:34 am
The road between my surface entrance and the gate in my outer wall is now lined with the skulls of my enemies!How did you do that?
(http://i.imgur.com/xV9xB.png)
I feel jealous.
Post by: goge on July 09, 2010, 11:08:36 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 09, 2010, 03:06:39 pm
Yeah I favour the single-tile stockpile restricted to totems and max 0 bins method but random theft can be an issue if they are not somewhere safe... :F
Post by: Flick on July 10, 2010, 03:04:28 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 10, 2010, 08:08:42 pm
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Post by: Aklyon on July 10, 2010, 08:31:37 pm
Post by: TealThanatos on July 10, 2010, 09:29:15 pm
Small thing - Maybe it's just me, but I *really* preferred the round pillar. :)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 10, 2010, 09:37:22 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/DsSAe.png)
Post by: TealThanatos on July 10, 2010, 09:54:26 pm
I'm not sure about the ore it kinda looks... spiky? like a furball :D
Post by: TealThanatos on July 10, 2010, 10:01:07 pm
PS - Ironhand, drop the link to the standalone download on the original post, it's hard to find amongst the pages where you dropped it ;) hehe
Can't wait to get this cranking in .09!
Post by: Alcoholic on July 10, 2010, 10:18:25 pm
I like the idea of irregularly shaped boulders, rather than perfectly round, but they need to take up more of the tile rather than having the empty spaces. :)
I'm not sure about the ore it kinda looks... spiky? like a furball :D
Things are looking great WormSlayer, Very nice work you have been doing, I also like the idea of irregular boulder shapes but like TealThanatos said they should take up more of the tile.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 10, 2010, 10:44:27 pm
I think you should be able to just drop it in, depends how much has changed...? I have yet to upgrade to .09 - too busy crafting pixels!
Star shaped gems?
(http://i.imgur.com/hJroO.png)
Post by: Alcoholic on July 10, 2010, 10:49:39 pm
EDIT: Also I guess your right on the less cluttery part on the stone size. My problem before I couldn't really notice them but the way you put it I realize its a good thing.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 10, 2010, 11:00:14 pm
This is what metal doors would look like, if they worked: (http://i.imgur.com/PmFjL.png)
Post by: Aklyon on July 10, 2010, 11:53:18 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on July 11, 2010, 12:02:35 am
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 11, 2010, 01:10:03 am
Post by: LucasUP on July 11, 2010, 01:38:41 am
Really amazing work. Love the z-level below effect, the tweaked doors, cut gems, etc!
Can't wait to have some time to sit down with .09 + this tileset.
Personal opinion time!
Not sure about the star-gems or the new ore tile (A little too hard to read?).
I prefer the old mini-table chair to the weird perspective one. Think you mentioned the chairs were an experiment, but yeah.
The current column is too hard to identify and I don't like the look of it. I don't mind it being square, but maybe try something more like Phoebus' (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=57557.0)?
Post by: Prastary on July 11, 2010, 03:05:21 am
As with everything its entirely subjective, no matter what I do some people will like it, others will hate it :)
Yes, I stopped using the updates because I don't like your style. Its sad that you and Ironhand don't make two independent tilesets, so we can choose the best. But hey - its just me, I see that most people here like it so keep up the good work.
Post by: Vince on July 11, 2010, 03:14:10 am
Remains I thing a pile of bones represents it better than just skulls, especially we have skulls as remains. If a dwarf hacks all the legs of a spider off, it's looking strange when there are skulls flying around.
Star shaped gems Unusual, but i thing i could like them.
New stone and ore tiles Like the stone, could be more irregular, though. Remember it's used for lakes, too! Fuzzy ore tile: No. Don't like it at all, sorry
Beds Too much perspective for my taste
Chairs All looking to the left...? I don't know...
New engraved floors Great!
Square pillar Like it.
Z-Level below Splendid! A bit dark, though.
@Prastary:
I had an idea:
Everyone has suggestions about the tiles, some like this, some that.
What about we make an installer/setup program that lets us choose different tiles for beds, then pillars and so on?
Including the icon and screenshots, so you see what they look like.
The program then patches together the png according to the user's choices.
It's not that hard to program and when my exams are over next month, I could do this.
(Well, at least the patching - I'm not that good with GUIs.
But that could be done by a generic install wizard that creates a config that my patcher uses... Hmm. Not so hard after all :D).
Post by: Prastary on July 11, 2010, 03:33:12 am
What about we make an installer/setup program that lets us choose different tiles for beds, then pillars and so on?
I just copy and paste the tiles that I like to the png with some graphical program, but it certainly would help some computer beginners.
Post by: Vince on July 11, 2010, 03:38:37 am
I just copy and paste the tiles that I like to the png with some graphical program, but it certainly would help some computer beginners.
Exactly my thoughts. It also makes things a bit less tedious and we could have more alternatives.
Post by: Flick on July 11, 2010, 05:29:23 am
I know that I have to change some of the ini-files, but which?
Post by: Ironhand on July 11, 2010, 07:52:00 am
Yay, look at all this new stuff!
I LOVE the next-z-level thing. That is SO awesome.
I'm gonna go get my hands on that this afternoon.
Also 0.31.10. I'll start working on 0.43 right away.
WormSlayer, old bean. I think I'll do some sifting:
I'm not really a fan of the beds or the chairs.
And I'm not sure I'm a fan of the new stone and gems either.
I do absolutely love the engraved floors, though.
And the open space tiles.
Anyway, today I'm gonna breathe and rest, but I might get some stuff done too.
Tomorrow I've got some medical stuff, so keep me in your prayers.
I should be able to put out 0.43 later this week.
Post by: TealThanatos on July 11, 2010, 08:05:35 am
I agree with you, the beds and chairs, whilst cool in their own right, don't mesh with the set... it's that whole 'mixing perspective' thing we discussed a few pages back I think... it's gotta be one way or the other, a mix of the two just makes things awkward :)
That's why I like the two of you working together to be honest. Ironhands ideas are great, Wormslayers ideas are great, meshed together you form an... alloy of greatness ;)
Ironhand is the... iron ;) and Wormslayer is the other elements... the result... STEEL!
Keep putting your heads together fella's and working your way towards the best tileset to grace Dwarf Fortress!
Can't wait to get my hands on 0.43!
Post by: Robsoie on July 11, 2010, 10:11:17 am
Take care guys, you're both doing a really good work.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 11, 2010, 10:40:29 am
Sorry to hear you dont like my style Prastary, but you can always cut out my tiles and paste in whatever you prefer! Maybe Vince will make an awesome tile manager program and you wont even have to do that :)
Loads of feedback, yay!
Remains: The current tile (copied from Phoebus' set?) is a skull and (I think) ribcage? Which is also pretty unlike a spider leg or any of the hundreds of other things it could be... I think IH said he had an idea for this tile?
Gems: I prefer the rough ones I did before, but nobody else liked them and someone suggested star shapes?
Stone & Ore: I'm not overly fond of the current ore, I think it should be a variation on the stone tile. In the cold light of day spiky blob ore does look a bit crap though! My stone is the same size as the current one! Didnt realise it was used for lakes too. :)
Beds: I have spent *so long* trying different things with the beds... I'm open to suggestions!
Tables & Chairs: Even I dont think the chairs look good, I just havent gotten back round to working on them some more yet. Nobody has complained about the tables? Guess I managed to make them close enough to IH's ones :P
Z-Level Below: Getting the brightness just right is hard! These tiles absolutely *have* to be darker than any floor tiles, but messing around at the low end of the scale is made doubly tricky because people have different monitor brightness and contrast settings - It looks fine on my brand new LCD screen, but is probably not even visible on someone's old CRT... O.o
Some kind of tile manager/merger program would probably be useful for those people less comfortable with hacking up tilesheets! Maybe it could resize tiles and mosh together different sets depending on personal preference?
TealThanatos: I think I'm supposed to be Carbon in that analogy :)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 11, 2010, 12:45:39 pm
Post by: Solace on July 11, 2010, 01:53:17 pm
For the z-level thing, you probably can't, but hypothetically could you make each successive z-level darker than the last? Probably only a 1-z-level thing tho. :P
Post by: Wavecutter on July 11, 2010, 02:27:21 pm
Post by: Urist McFail on July 11, 2010, 02:30:18 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 11, 2010, 03:14:15 pm
Gems are still under construction, we shall see what can be done...
I was originally going to do little food plates or pies or something, but since they represent several meals stored in one container and are almost always seen just sitting in a stockpile I chose crates to compliment the barrels.
I did a flat bed a few pages back that one guy thought looked like a futon. I did try a variety of things for the bed covers but its so small the detail just turns into a blur. I'm not done yet though!
Bigger rocks, less spiky minerals:
(http://i.imgur.com/filti.png)
Post by: Wavecutter on July 11, 2010, 03:17:35 pm
Post by: Vince on July 11, 2010, 03:42:29 pm
Post by: Bandages on July 11, 2010, 04:00:01 pm
Halp?
Post by: Alcoholic on July 11, 2010, 04:04:19 pm
I just downloaded your graphics set and tried to play DF. What I got was your material tiles without anything else. wolves were 'w's, bears were 'B's, cabinets were 'n's, etc etc.
Halp?
This set is a (Great) work in progress, its not finished. Thats what the .42 means. Its not a whole number.
Post by: Alcoholic on July 11, 2010, 04:05:17 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on July 11, 2010, 04:06:41 pm
I just downloaded your graphics set and tried to play DF. What I got was your material tiles without anything else. wolves were 'w's, bears were 'B's, cabinets were 'n's, etc etc.
Halp?
I believe this is what you are looking for. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511
Post by: Solace on July 11, 2010, 04:34:58 pm
Gems are still under construction, we shall see what can be done...Was checking google images for examples, and looks like there can be some pretty crazy natural formations... I know this is a 'crystal' instead of a 'gem', but... still.
http://s.ngm.com/2008/11/crystal-giants/img/crystal-cave-615.jpg
Post by: Urist McFail on July 11, 2010, 04:41:39 pm
http://imagebin.ca/view/vwnACq.html
Post by: Passive Fist on July 11, 2010, 06:00:34 pm
Post by: Bandages on July 11, 2010, 06:33:43 pm
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 11, 2010, 08:10:10 pm
I shrunk down some 4 post bed images, do you think any of these are useful?
http://imagebin.ca/view/vwnACq.html
Unfortunately i dont think they would be of any use because of the angle at which they are drawn. However im not an artist so i dont know
Post by: TealThanatos on July 11, 2010, 08:28:43 pm
I don't remember anyone asking for star shaped gems, I believe it was diamond shaped ;) Maybe I'm mistaken :D
Post by: WormSlayer on July 11, 2010, 08:58:26 pm
Halp?
Sounds like you need the rest of the files that go with the graphics, link already posted above ^^ :)
Is there any way to update the graphics without having to use .08 of DF? Because I really like custom adventurer reactions but I also really like seeing the game en detail.
I *think* you may be able to just copy over the raws and stuff from .08 without DF asploding but make a backup copy before trying it!
Was checking google images for examples, and looks like there can be some pretty crazy natural formations... I know this is a 'crystal' instead of a 'gem', but... still.
That cave is amazing isnt it? Maybe if I make enough different gem tiles I will randomly come across an 18x18 configuration of pixels that everyone loves :P
I shrunk down some 4 post bed images, do you think any of these are useful?
Thanks dude, the top middle one is actually pretty similar to the most recent one I made. I did try a few 4-posters with a canopy but they are a bit fancy for a barracks or what have you, so it needsto be kind of generic.
I don't remember anyone asking for star shaped gems, I believe it was diamond shaped ;) Maybe I'm mistaken :D
No your right, I was imagining things :P
Oh and of course any change to the "stone" tile also affects the appearance of a few workshops and reminds me of another reason they dont occupy a full tile:
(http://i.imgur.com/sUfU5.png)
Dye Works - This I really like, Tile Magic for teh win!
(http://i.imgur.com/cBCdM.png)
Furnaces and stuff - Not so sure about these...
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 11, 2010, 09:08:01 pm
Is there any way to update the graphics without having to use .08 of DF? Because I really like custom adventurer reactions but I also really like seeing the game en detail.
I *think* you may be able to just copy over the raws and stuff from .08 without DF asploding but make a backup copy before trying it!
No you cant directly copy them, well yes you can, however(!) there are sizable differences in the new raws (up to 350 + changes in 1) that have nothing at all to do with colour or tiles and copying over them will be just like playing 31.08 without any some of the 31.10 changes
Post by: Robsoie on July 11, 2010, 09:44:27 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 11, 2010, 10:38:04 pm
I guess we will all have to wait a few days before we can play the latest version with this tileset! :F
So I figured if the masonry workshop was going to have a little hammer and chisel instead of the ; character, they wouldnt just be laying on the floor, they would be sat on a work table?
(http://i.imgur.com/TnIdh.png)
Also, I remember saying something about replacing the pile of clothes that appears in various workshops with a work table and some tools? Kind of makes more sense sat next to a furnace :P
(http://i.imgur.com/MIADf.png)
Post by: Passive Fist on July 11, 2010, 10:44:32 pm
Post by: Igfig on July 11, 2010, 10:47:00 pm
One small request, though: Could you make the arrow symbols into pine trees? And the gamma symbol into a palm tree? It's really strange to look at a beautifully rendered world map and see a forest of blocky letters. And if you could use your Tile Magic somehow to make the letters 'n' and 'V' more hill and valley-like, I would truly love you forever.
Also, a question about graphics. Are you making your creature tiles by tracing over the old Sphr sets and adding shading, or completely from scratch? I'm thinking about throwing something together in my spare time, and I'd like to be able to conform to your standard.
Oh, and as for copying the raws: I think the only raw files that were changed in Ironhand were the inorganic_'s (except metal), plant_standard, and the vermin. None of those saw many changes in .09/.10, so I think it's safe to copy them over.
And also: The left bracket means clothes, the right bracket is workbench. I got pretty good results in my old tileset by cutting a regular table in half.
Post by: Alcoholic on July 11, 2010, 10:47:23 pm
Edit, The dye works looks amazing but I have to say I wouldn't really enjoy the look if all the workshops had the red or colored stones in them.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 11, 2010, 11:45:13 pm
Doesn't the 'pile of equipment' tile also get used whenever some dumb dorf drops clothes on the floor? Or when you burn the burnable parts of a goblin with magma?
Not sure about the burning goblins bit but I'm pretty sure your thinking of the other, mirrored pile of equipment tile (they are actually the [ and ] characters) which remains unchanged.
One small request, though: Could you make the arrow symbols into pine trees? And the gamma symbol into a palm tree? It's really strange to look at a beautifully rendered world map and see a forest of blocky letters. And if you could use your Tile Magic somehow to make the letters 'n' and 'V' more hill and valley-like, I would truly love you forever.
Glad you like :D I'll have a look at the map stuff but not promising anything :P
Edit, The dye works looks amazing but I have to say I wouldn't really enjoy the look if all the workshops had the red or colored stones in them.
Well they already have coloured stones in them, but using tile magic techniques makes them a lot brighter...
On that note; smaller stones and minerals that hopefully look like stones with bits sticking out?
(http://i.imgur.com/juRiv.png)
And what the furnaces look like with smaller stones.
(http://i.imgur.com/riHSx.png)
Post by: Solace on July 11, 2010, 11:54:50 pm
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 12, 2010, 12:30:58 am
I guess we will all have to wait a few days before we can play the latest version with this tileset! :F
The main issue with it really are changes that IH had made to help fix some of the bone/metal/teeth inconsistencies
material_template_default.txt
inorganic_metal.txt
item_weapon.txt
item_ammo.txt
body_default.txt
reaction_other.txt
Delete these files from IH latest release, then dump the rest of the object folder ontop of the new DF31.10 object folder and u should be fine
*Edit
Just a note also... I only did a comparison with IH 0.42 - upgrade only package compared to the latest DF. I havent checked the release version of IH 0.42 but i think itll be the same
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 10:20:25 am
Urist McGems was feeling unloved so I replaced his { with a little work table!
(http://i.imgur.com/k9G52.png)
Post by: Star Weaver on July 12, 2010, 10:28:29 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 10:48:52 am
As for the forbidden item display; well obviously it looks different, but it's purpose there is to highlight the left side of the selected row, so as long as it is still visible it performs that function?
(http://i.imgur.com/WA6YL.png)
Post by: Star Weaver on July 12, 2010, 11:02:25 am
Not sure what I think of the text, but it's less bad than some things i've seen get in there.
Post by: izzyryu on July 12, 2010, 11:14:39 am
Love the new stone/ore tiles. For uncut gems though, it would definitely be nice to have a similar tile. Maybe something like the one in Spreggo's (http://df.magmawiki.com/images/3/3f/Autonomous_Font.png) tileset?
Post by: Vince on July 12, 2010, 11:30:30 am
We totally need #5 here.
If this finally gets implemented, Toady DEFINITELY gets another donation! :D
Post by: Igfig on July 12, 2010, 01:07:44 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 01:12:49 pm
The } is used for custom workshops? - The wiki page on tiles doesnt mention that, but it is a *bit* incomplete... If so thats a very good idea! :)
New crossbow?
(http://i.imgur.com/i9LW8.png)
Post by: Star Weaver on July 12, 2010, 01:36:53 pm
Post by: Alcoholic on July 12, 2010, 01:46:09 pm
Blah dumb me, Figured it out.
Post by: Igfig on July 12, 2010, 01:47:38 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 01:53:20 pm
Is } used for anything other than forbidden items then?
How about a hammer, a chisel, a screwdriver, a knife and a couple of brightly coloured flasks (which could change hue based on the foreground and background colours - If you can set those for custom workshops?)
I dont have a custom workshop to test it on, but here it is forbidding a cap.
(http://i.imgur.com/c8V1P.png)
Post by: Igfig on July 12, 2010, 02:10:45 pm
I think the colours in the flasks are a bit distracting when used in a "forbidden item" tag. I say either make them empty, or filled with a colour that won't show up on the stocks screen. The stocks screen always has a black background, so maybe if it's tied to the background colour somehow?
Other than that, looks great.
Post by: Ironhand on July 12, 2010, 02:13:14 pm
I like those rocks, WormSlayer.
Not quite so sure about the ore...
I can also choose a new tile for coal
if we make one; keep that in mind.
I'm gonna start compiling stuff tonight.
WormSlayer, send me whatever you haven't yet.
Might be another day or two until you guys see it.
As for the clothing thing; yeah,
[ is used for ALL clothing and armor and everything.
] is just used in workshops.
So that new workbench is awesome.
And yeah, I draw all my sprites from scratch.
Post by: Igfig on July 12, 2010, 02:31:46 pm
One small request, though: Could you make the arrow symbols into pine trees? And the gamma symbol into a palm tree? It's really strange to look at a beautifully rendered world map and see a forest of blocky letters. And if you could use your Tile Magic somehow to make the letters 'n' and 'V' more hill and valley-like, I would truly love you forever.Er... I have another request: please cancel the above request.
I somehow failed to copy the correct plant_standard file over, earlier. After putting the right one in, everything looks fine.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 02:37:30 pm
May as well just mirror the gem cutters workshop tile?
(http://i.imgur.com/Cion9.png)
How about Dem Minerals (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFCZMEwl_K8) with a bit of sparkly colour on the ore bits sticking out?
(http://i.imgur.com/d0Bdy.png)
Going to email you now IH! :)
Edit: Hmm... coal would be... a black rock...? :P But yeah it may be good to try and disambiguate that damn tile, its used for so many things :F
Post by: Star Weaver on July 12, 2010, 02:53:28 pm
And dbwah, I rarely built bowyers so I didn't even realize there was a tile that was supposed to be a bow for the workshop.
Oh, and yeah, there's even a utility called something like Workshop Draw or Painter or something that lets you load your favorite tileset and select the tiles and colors for each stage of workshop buildage, then spits out the COLOR, and TILE data to put in your buildings tokens. (You have to work out the BLOCK and all the gameplay stuff yourself, it's a very simple prog).
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 02:58:23 pm
I also rather like the coloured minerals, maybe even more so with less sparkle and more blended colour?
(http://i.imgur.com/ljjMH.png)
Oooh gold ore is shiney :D
(http://i.imgur.com/q4PyG.png)
Post by: Star Weaver on July 12, 2010, 03:00:57 pm
Post by: Solace on July 12, 2010, 03:02:20 pm
Post by: thegrtman on July 12, 2010, 03:02:42 pm
Anyway, just wanted to give him a little praise on the forum, so keep up the great work!
Post by: Ironhand on July 12, 2010, 03:05:06 pm
Thanks, though. :D
Hey WormSlayer. I'm totally loving that green-on-brown floor, bottom left corner.
Is that something I did, or did you mix some stuff up there? Or am I seeing things?
Hey, one thing we could use would be a generic pile of rags/clothes.
To be used for armor, clothing, and everything that can be grouped there.
That's also boots, gloves, hats... but I think a bundled up cloth would work.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 03:16:18 pm
Hey WormSlayer. I'm totally loving that green-on-brown floor, bottom left corner.
Is that something I did, or did you mix some stuff up there? Or am I seeing things?
I think I mentioned this in that long rambling email I sent you with ideas and things I had been working on? Basically I was playing around with adding some light colour noise to your "rough" tiles, makes them more organic and subtly different to nice clean smooth tiles?
Oh I also had to make them a tiny bit brighter to get the z-level below tiles working!
Hey, one thing we could use would be a generic pile of rags/clothes.
To be used for armor, clothing, and everything that can be grouped there.
That's also boots, gloves, hats... but I think a bundled up cloth would work.
Curse you! I've been putting off this one because its so many different things! I'll have a go though, the current one is looking more and more out of place...
Love the new stone/ore tiles. For uncut gems though, it would definitely be nice to have a similar tile. Maybe something like the one in Spreggo's (http://df.magmawiki.com/images/3/3f/Autonomous_Font.png) tileset?
He makes a good point IH, can we disambiguate uncut gems from all that other stuff? - I'm pretty sure we could use the same tile for coal with some TileMagic(tm)?
Post by: Igfig on July 12, 2010, 03:27:27 pm
May as well just mirror the gem cutters workshop tile?
(http://i.imgur.com/Cion9.png)
You could, I suppose... but I feels like it's wasting a space that could be used for greater variety. Eh, maybe I'll whip something up when my next adventurer dies.
Post by: Randomtask on July 12, 2010, 04:06:13 pm
Love the graphics set, IH and WS.
I'm posting because I have a question/idea regarding Tile Magic.
For ages, DF graphics sets have had an issue with displaying both the graphic representation of, say, a jeweller's workshop, and the text for which the ascii actually stands, such as: [{]}
I know that the raws are used to call different colors for vermin and trees, but is there no way to use Tile Magic to make DF display proper ascii symbols where appropriate? By, say, covering up the symbol in the way a tattoo artist might take that drunken splotch of ink that reads "I love Ben" and turn it into "I love Beer."
Example (Warning, I am not an artist. At all.):
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Magical, Isn't it?
I have a horrible feeling that the answer to this is: We already thought of that, obviously, and no it can't be done. But I have to ask.
Post by: Ladde on July 12, 2010, 04:18:27 pm
I'm not so used to this tile thingy :)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 04:40:38 pm
You could, I suppose... but I feels like it's wasting a space that could be used for greater variety. Eh, maybe I'll whip something up when my next adventurer dies.
Well it doesnt really affect vanilla DF apart from the forbid menu but I dunno maybe I'll redo it :D
I'm posting because I have a question/idea regarding Tile Magic...
... Words ... :D
Ironhand already does this with a few tiles like frog/squirrel but I dont know how well it would work for everything, the game is funny about where it allows you to specify colours. Your best bet is to go vote up "full graphics support" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php) :)
Does 31.08 work for 31.10?You may be able to get it working if your not adverse to getting your hands dirty, but Ironhand should have a new version up soon!
I'm not so used to this tile thingy :)
Post by: Randomtask on July 12, 2010, 04:59:49 pm
Ironhand already does this with a few tiles like frog/squirrel but I dont know how well it would work for everything, the game is funny about where it allows you to specify colours. Your best bet is to go vote up "full graphics support" (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php) :)
Done.
And I know IH does it with a few creature tiles, but the graphics-as-symbols issue was something I'd wondered if he'd considered already. It would be an elegant solution, if it worked.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 05:19:31 pm
So I added some teeth to the hacksaw :P
(http://i.imgur.com/lGBvX.png)
And totally remade ore once again:
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Post by: Ironhand on July 12, 2010, 05:26:01 pm
But I know we don't have to use it for loose coal.
Post by: Harmonica on July 12, 2010, 05:58:09 pm
Before you guys started I was working out differentiating minerals from one another, and through trial and error I lumped with creating a few select symbols for the special minerals like gold and others which come out in nuggets. Useless minerals I stuck with the same tile, which was much smaller and insignificant.
You probably do need a symbol that sticks out and looks special, but I compromised and made it look less like a * and more like a lump of minerally rock (in a skewed * shape).
Your lumpy rock icon is much better than anything I was able to achieve.
Also: about the doors with stupid colours, why not just adjust the colours for those minerals in the raws.
Post by: Ironhand on July 12, 2010, 06:25:51 pm
Psh.
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2enn71i.png)
Post by: Solace on July 12, 2010, 06:37:13 pm
Maybe it could just be a generic sack looking thing? I mean, if you're gonna carry around a pile of clothing you're not gonna be, like, holding a shirt at arms length... :P Plus you could use that same sack for other, you know, sack-ish things, or just as a generic "this contains various objects" tile.Hey, one thing we could use would be a generic pile of rags/clothes.Curse you! I've been putting off this one because its so many different things! I'll have a go though, the current one is looking more and more out of place...
To be used for armor, clothing, and everything that can be grouped there.
That's also boots, gloves, hats... but I think a bundled up cloth would work.
Post by: Wavecutter on July 12, 2010, 06:40:05 pm
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Post by: Urist McFail on July 12, 2010, 06:46:00 pm
I'm sure I have seen images where miners would fill baskets to haul up ladders and shafts.
http://www.spencerstirling.com/0505kennecott/13bucket.jpg
http://www.thepeakdistrict.info/images/owdmanwirksworthsmall.jpg
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 07:04:01 pm
&
Psh.
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2enn71i.png)
I wanted a Grin Reaper for that tile, but that is seriously cool! I assume he's going to get some funky Tile Magic? :)
New cups and vials.
(http://i.imgur.com/bP1h1.png)
Nice photos WC -
Hmm not having much luck, with so few pixels its a very fine line between a rough stone and a spiky stone... Going to leave it for now O.o
McFail - Not a bad idea but I think a raw lump of ore is the way to go... assuming I can actually figure something out :F I'm looking forward to making little mine carts and wheelbarrows :)
Post by: Igfig on July 12, 2010, 08:38:55 pm
I took a minute and gave the flasks 20% transparency; I think they work now.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Igfig/brace2.png)
Nice cups, by the way.
Post by: Dearnen on July 12, 2010, 09:38:58 pm
Regarding ores and uncut gems: The ore still looks too much like regular stone, to me. To differentiate the two, perhaps make one lumpy on the right and the other lumpy on the left (in addition to color differences, shininess, etc.), that way the player can recognize an ore immediately. Meanwhile, I suggest making uncut gems look like a small group of raw crystals, rather than like cut diamonds (or stars).
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 09:51:18 pm
To take my mind off it, I made a better custom workshop with a vial, a cog and some tools:
(http://i.imgur.com/6reXS.png)
Post by: TealThanatos on July 12, 2010, 10:12:52 pm
EDIT: Oh, and also... any timeframe on approximately when we can see a .43 using .10? :)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 12, 2010, 10:18:14 pm
It insists on drawing the generic workshop tile really darkly :S
Post by: TealThanatos on July 12, 2010, 10:23:45 pm
Post by: Igfig on July 12, 2010, 10:48:13 pm
And yeah, Ironhand said .43 would be compiled in a day or two.
Post by: TealThanatos on July 12, 2010, 11:01:00 pm
As far as I know, the only way to change the colour of a non-custom workshop tile is to change the numbers in data/init/colors.txt. I guess those are dark gray by default.
And yeah, Ironhand said .43 would be compiled in a day or two.
Ah thanks I must have missed that post :) Can't wait!
Post by: Solace on July 12, 2010, 11:21:31 pm
The ore still looks too much like regular stone, to me. To differentiate the two, perhaps make one lumpy on the right and the other lumpy on the leftUuuh, it might just be me, but that sounds like it'd look really silly. :P
Post by: Dearnen on July 12, 2010, 11:41:31 pm
The ore still looks too much like regular stone, to me. To differentiate the two, perhaps make one lumpy on the right and the other lumpy on the leftUuuh, it might just be me, but that sounds like it'd look really silly. :P
My description leaves something to be desired, but I basically meant for regular stone and ore rocks to have obviously different shapes, with one having more mass on the left and the other having more mass on the right.
Post by: Igfig on July 13, 2010, 12:04:35 am
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Igfig/dwarves_tenative.png)
(engraver, planter, milker)
Post by: BoomClap on July 13, 2010, 12:27:42 am
I fiddled around a bit with some creature graphics; what do you think?
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Igfig/dwarves_tenative.png)
(engraver, planter, milker)
planter looks like tax collector
Post by: Igfig on July 13, 2010, 12:44:57 am
Post by: Hippoman on July 13, 2010, 01:40:52 am
Post by: Urist McFail on July 13, 2010, 01:51:47 am
Should be a hoe.
no need for insults :P ;D
Post by: Cheddarius on July 13, 2010, 01:53:13 am
Post by: BoomClap on July 13, 2010, 02:21:02 am
At first I interpreted that as "The tax collector should take a hoe out of his bag" and I was extremely confused. Extremely.
So did I
Post by: Vince on July 13, 2010, 05:12:25 am
And totally remade ore once again:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
No. Previous one was way better.
Post by: Ironhand on July 13, 2010, 08:29:00 am
For uncut gem clusters, I mean.
(http://i30.tinypic.com/f5acyf.png)
Post by: BoomClap on July 13, 2010, 08:32:10 am
How about just colorful rocks?
For uncut gem clusters, I mean.
(http://i30.tinypic.com/f5acyf.png)
that. looks. gorgeous.
Post by: Urist McAddict on July 13, 2010, 09:32:52 am
Stop teasing us and deliver the dwarfy goodness of your update...
BTW, before i found your pack, never saw anything prettier in a ascII converted game...
Kudos to you, sir!
If i was any good at graphical manipulation, i'd love to give a help.
But, i suck =D
Keep up, anyways!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 13, 2010, 09:45:04 am
How about just colorful rocks?That's great. But maybe it can be improved? Can you try adding a little glossiness, shine, or sparkle? While neat, they look like technicolor egg fossils at the moment.
For uncut gem clusters, I mean.
(http://i30.tinypic.com/f5acyf.png)
Post by: Alcoholic on July 13, 2010, 10:03:00 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 13, 2010, 10:24:27 am
Mostly this is stuff from WormSlayer and the Toady One.
But it's still a nice little compilation.
I have some really sweet ideas for future stuff,
(especially regarding gems and floors and maybe ores)
but I think you guys would rather have an intermediary release.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 13, 2010, 10:38:19 am
How about just colorful rocks?
For uncut gem clusters, I mean.
They look a bit too round and smooth to me. I did my own version of coloured rocks a few pages back but they didnt receive a very warm reception :D
Looking forward to starting a new fort with new DF and new tiles! My current one has ground to a halt since I started expanding into a layer of caverns :(
In other news; I just turned my PC on and one of my monitors isnt working, and of course it's the one that all the controls for my graphics programs are displayed on... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Will be a few days before I can afford a replacement and I dont know if I can be bothered to reconfigure every program I use for a different monitor setup, only to have to put it all back when I get a new screen... O.o
This is how I usually roll in case anyone is interested :P
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Post by: Alcoholic on July 13, 2010, 10:40:36 am
How about just colorful rocks?
For uncut gem clusters, I mean.
They look a bit too round and smooth to me. I did my own version of coloured rocks a few pages back but they didnt receive a very warm reception :D
Looking forward to starting a new fort with new DF and new tiles! My current one has ground to a halt since I started expanding into a layer of caverns :(
In other news; I just turned my PC on and one of my monitors isnt working, and of course it's the one that all the controls for my graphics programs are displayed on... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
Will be a few days before I can afford a replacement and I dont know if I can be bothered to reconfigure every program I use for a different monitor setup, only to have to put it all back when I get a new screen... O.o
This is how I usually roll in case anyone is interested :PSpoiler (click to show/hide)
That set up is....godly..
Post by: Ironhand on July 13, 2010, 10:45:15 am
Most of that belongs to WormSlayer. = P
Post by: Thundrim on July 13, 2010, 10:47:19 am
EDIT:
Yarrr! release!!! Thanks!!!
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 13, 2010, 10:59:07 am
Post by: Ryjer on July 13, 2010, 11:00:23 am
Wormy nice orane and green "vase" you should get some flowers for in it.
Post by: flatlander on July 13, 2010, 11:09:54 am
I have a region I want to keep using in the new version. Do I just copy the save from the old 31.08 to the new 31.10 and I'm good to go?
Thanks...
Post by: Aklyon on July 13, 2010, 11:21:43 am
Hi there... so I have a noob question...Well, you'd be playing without most of the fixes, since your region's raws would still be .08, not .10's more fixed raws. But yeah, you could do that.
I have a region I want to keep using in the new version. Do I just copy the save from the old 31.08 to the new 31.10 and I'm good to go?
Thanks...
Post by: flatlander on July 13, 2010, 11:27:17 am
1. Generate a new world in the .43 version of Ironhands.
2. Copy the save file over from my .42 Ironhands to .43.
3. Replace the old save file's /raw directory with the one in the Ironhand .43 save
??
Post by: Ironhand on July 13, 2010, 11:38:35 am
Not if you want to use your old one.
Do those other two, though.
And I don't think you'll lose much at all.
Most of the changed Toady makes aren't in the RAWs.
Post by: flatlander on July 13, 2010, 11:39:59 am
Seeing the next z level down is .... amazing!
Post by: Vince on July 13, 2010, 11:40:13 am
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2484/vincecustomstoneores.png)
First
Second: Ores
Third: Gems
Sand, soil
The tiles in the first three
With tile magic the "pebbles" and veins would be like the gems, in different colors, while the background remains the same.
@flatlander: Haha, your amazement suits your name. Not familiar with the z-axis, are you? ;D
Post by: Igfig on July 13, 2010, 11:46:02 am
Something I'm wondering about: Have you reserved any tiles in your set for modder use? It looks like your ¥, ₧, and 255 are unused, but is that a conscious design decision or are you planning on filling those spaces?
Also, I made an animal trainer.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Igfig/dwarves_tenative.png)
By the way, the real reason I didn't give the planter a hoe was that I wasn't sure I'd be able to differentiate it from the axe that some of the other dwarves are carrying.
Post by: flatlander on July 13, 2010, 11:55:37 am
@flatlander: Haha, your amazement suits your name. Not familiar with the z-axis, are you? ;D
Heh. Well... I like it much better than the little dots that were there before. I used to live over here... in the flat land:
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Post by: Motigg on July 13, 2010, 01:32:14 pm
No, don't generate a new world.Actually Toady made alot of changes to the RAWs in this version. Basically of the metals have had their values updated as well as a few weapon raws were changed. Just checked and saw that you hadn't touch them and kept the old RAWs :-(
Not if you want to use your old one.
Do those other two, though.
And I don't think you'll lose much at all.
Most of the changed Toady makes aren't in the RAWs.
Post by: Ironhand on July 13, 2010, 01:39:27 pm
Well, in that case, that's yet another reason that 0.43 is just filler.
The next version will be 0.50 and I will be doing the raws all from scratch again.
Until then... I guess you'll just have to deal with what we've got.
Post by: Motigg on July 13, 2010, 01:44:56 pm
Post by: s20dan on July 13, 2010, 02:14:51 pm
EDIT// Just updated.. WOW Loving the trick to show the z-level below :)
Post by: Star Weaver on July 13, 2010, 02:18:10 pm
Here are the files that toady changed in .10:
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Post by: s20dan on July 13, 2010, 02:27:55 pm
And as far as the other files Star Weaver posted, I don't think you need any of those to use the Ironhand graphics.
Post by: Passive Fist on July 13, 2010, 04:25:44 pm
(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/1117/doors.png)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 13, 2010, 04:47:05 pm
You havent done anything wrong. All those doors are made of materials with either inverted foreground/background, or light foreground + light background colours.
Previously, doors and pretty much everything else just ignored the background colour so you either got nice doors or dark hard to see doors.
I'm still hopeful of finding a solution but for now they will continue to look like that.
Edit: Your dorf with a chef hat is crafting adobe flash animations? :P
Double edit: Just noticed the mechanic dorf, why didnt I put any spanners on the workshop tables?!
Post by: Passive Fist on July 13, 2010, 05:07:08 pm
I built some metal doors and they look pretty good, especially the darker one made from iron. The brass door looks pretty gaudy, like you'd expect a brass door to look.
Post by: Wavecutter on July 13, 2010, 05:41:16 pm
Is it possible to make the door frames a permanently dark color like iron? And if it is could you apply that same technique to the door details like wood? That way those details would be constant regardless of material color.
Post by: TealThanatos on July 13, 2010, 07:55:46 pm
You guys rock!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 13, 2010, 10:34:38 pm
So I did end up moving all my monitors around and reconfiguring everything and as a result, I present for your consideration:
New ropes:
(http://i.imgur.com/XcNVh.png)
Masonry workshop now has a full set of appropriate tools to the same scale as all the other workshops:
(http://i.imgur.com/otYSK.png)
And finally better? vials: (http://i.imgur.com/vWAQr.png) and a more fancy crown:(http://i.imgur.com/JXYfF.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on July 13, 2010, 10:52:25 pm
Post by: Star Weaver on July 14, 2010, 01:30:16 am
I'm fiddling with a design style of making smoothed "buildings" that are seperated by rough corridors and open spaces, and I have a odd curvy organic hallway thing that happened to go through the middle of a microcline node and I think it looks awesome.
I'm planning on putting this up on DFMA using the IH set after I finish my hospital basement and maybe the stone and metal zones. (My poor masons are set up in the middle of some hallway that happened to contain a lot of stone ... and half of the food O_o.) (Also need to load up DT and manage my migration wave of doom that just came in ...)
The only things on my screen that I'm not about are the chairs (all facing left? it looks ok in my dining hall, but I've got an office over here where the chair's on the left) and the beds (because I have blocks of beds and the tapering effect is a little odd), which both look great on their own anyway. The marbly effect on the newest tables is awesome too. This version of the z-below is pretty cool too, being kinda a hybrid dot and color thing. Still a hair too dark, but I hear that's a PITA to adjust :).
I'm rambly. Probably bedtime.
Post by: Ironhand on July 14, 2010, 05:48:15 am
Love the ropes, WormSlayer. Not so sure about the crown, though.
Remember, the crown is also used for ruins on the world map.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 14, 2010, 07:50:13 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 14, 2010, 08:49:01 am
Yeah, I don't like those either.
Post by: Star Weaver on July 14, 2010, 11:16:07 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 14, 2010, 02:23:18 pm
What about top-down - (http://i.imgur.com/BAerm.png) - or front-on (http://i.imgur.com/bsCv6.png)?
FYI: the z-level below thing looks even more awesome without the dot, but no dot means a blank tile for seeds, flies and other tiny things. The dot also doubles as a bit of wood in the middle of plant tops.
Post by: Cheddarius on July 14, 2010, 02:29:35 pm
EDIT: Also, I know they would usually be made of stone, but could you give them a brown wood color? It'd make them much easier to identify.
Unless they have variable colors depending on which type of stone they're made of; in that case, making them all brown would mess it up.
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 14, 2010, 02:30:14 pm
it wont look good with the table and the dwarfs
they have other looks ("viewing point" dont know the exact word in englisch)
Post by: Daywalkah on July 14, 2010, 02:39:17 pm
Post by: Rebirthocool on July 14, 2010, 02:42:49 pm
also, this graphics set gets my vote for best yet
Post by: Igfig on July 14, 2010, 03:05:03 pm
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on July 14, 2010, 03:15:07 pm
Looking forward to the finished product.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 14, 2010, 03:20:37 pm
New ball of wool:
(http://i.imgur.com/F7fIY.png)
Note: I'm not necessarily replacing all these tiles because I hate them, but because we dont have the original artwork and Tile Magic is awesome :D
Unless they have variable colors depending on which type of stone they're made of; in that case, making them all brown would mess it up.
This is the main reason I'm remaking so many, so that everything shows up with the correct material colours, leading to more variation in our forts :D
Post by: Moontayle on July 14, 2010, 04:05:06 pm
Post by: Thundrim on July 14, 2010, 04:15:36 pm
Stools are the only thing that works though since you can't dictate directionality when placing an object. Anything else will cause it to look bad.
The presence of Bar Stools is at least consistent with alcohol consumption in your average Fort. :P
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Post by: s20dan on July 14, 2010, 04:15:53 pm
http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-9083-willfulshot (http://www.mkv25.net/dfma/map-9083-willfulshot)
Use the POIs on the left.
Post by: Cheddarius on July 14, 2010, 04:23:09 pm
Post by: Ryjer on July 14, 2010, 04:52:30 pm
Besides if you think about it, if your King is wearing armor like any proper dwarven king should, he would have a much easier time sitting in a stool then a Throne with a back on it.
Post by: Ironhand on July 14, 2010, 05:22:45 pm
And I disagree that it doesn't work for thrones.
I can totally see a dwarf sitting on a golden stool.
Anyway, WS, send me your next-level tile without the dot.
Because all those vermin and seeds and stuff can be re-tiled.
Love the string.
Post by: Igfig on July 14, 2010, 05:42:30 pm
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 14, 2010, 05:44:54 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 14, 2010, 05:48:11 pm
Square stools?
(http://i.imgur.com/Udy94.png)
Or round?
(http://i.imgur.com/lpuxQ.png)
Post by: Meanmelter on July 14, 2010, 06:52:26 pm
Square would be to weird, as everything is sorta already square. We need more roundedness!
;D
Post by: WormSlayer on July 14, 2010, 07:16:11 pm
For the one guy who really wanted support for custom workshops; (http://i.imgur.com/HW3Pz.png)
Colour of just the contents of the (in that shot purple) vial is controlled with background colour, foreground colour tints the rest of the tile - should allow it to be used for dozens of different jobs? :)
Post by: xDarkz on July 14, 2010, 07:26:27 pm
I was wondering if you guys modded/added some items and creatures?
The reason behind this question arose when I tried loading my save on the vanilla version of the game and "FATAL ERROR" occurred because they couldn't find specific definitions.
EDIT: Yes I generated the world on this. I plan on using this set, was just wondering why it was doing that. It's been poking at me :P.
Post by: Ironhand on July 14, 2010, 07:37:55 pm
You now have llamas.
Congratulations.
And yeah, I know.
I love them too.
<3
Post by: TealThanatos on July 14, 2010, 07:42:30 pm
Post by: xDarkz on July 14, 2010, 08:03:35 pm
Yey for Llamas!
I have one question though.
With the addition of new things into the raws, I was wondering how that could incorporate future versions of Dwarf Fortress.
Say you guys leave for some unfathomable reason, and Toady comes out with a substantial update with new futures, and all the works.
If you say, generated your world on this tileset, and want to keep the expansive fortress.
Could/would it be possible given the changes?
Would it be wise to generate a world on the unmodded version and then use the save with your Graphics set? xP
Post by: Igfig on July 14, 2010, 08:24:20 pm
For the one guy who really wanted support for custom workshops; (http://i.imgur.com/HW3Pz.png)HELL YES
Seriously man, that's like perfect.
Also, a thought I had while playing an adventurer. My dude was flashing, as adventurers do. However, because of the textured background on the graphics tiles, his background was flashing too. Moreover, the texture made it hard to see status icons like "lying on the ground" or "wrestling".
So how about making the background of the graphics tiles semitransparent? You can even make the background colour sorta-match the colour of the environment by setting it to 16 or higher. [7:16:1] for a white foreground and the chameleon background, for instance.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 14, 2010, 08:39:22 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/KP1JG.png)
Dark ones still look weird, but bright ones look a lot better :)
Post by: Ironhand on July 14, 2010, 08:55:47 pm
The only one that's kinda weird now is the dark grey one (lead?) and the dark blue one (cobaltite?)
I've loving the one on the bottom-right. What is that, copper? It's hot.
As for the me leaving thing,
first: don't count on it,
and second:
You don't actually need a whole specification for it to work.
Your raw file for llamas could look like this:
[CREATURE:LLAMA]
with nothing else,
and it would work fine.
They'd never appear with merchants
because they don't have [DOMESTIC]
and they'd never spawn in because
they don't have any BIOME flags.
So they wouldn't even be an issue.
Post by: Solace on July 14, 2010, 09:01:49 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on July 14, 2010, 09:08:26 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 14, 2010, 09:16:34 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/zfoL5.png)
Edit: I like round chairs / square tables, stops the chair looking like a baby table :P
Double Edit: Bottom right door is cinnabar :) - Would it totally screw everything else up if we changed the material colours around to fix the dark doors? - Also; any idea why metal doors dont show up?
Post by: Solace on July 14, 2010, 09:30:07 pm
Post by: userpay on July 14, 2010, 09:53:18 pm
Post by: Hippoman on July 14, 2010, 10:17:51 pm
IH - If you load up the last .PSD I sent you, there is a layer in the "Z-Level" group called "seed / fly" - just hide that one. :)He strikes again.
Square stools?
(http://i.imgur.com/Udy94.png)
Or round?
(http://i.imgur.com/lpuxQ.png)
Edit: twice.
Also I hate both. I can't see the legs.
Post by: Dearnen on July 14, 2010, 11:10:22 pm
Regarding beds, I would go with a simple overhead view with one pillow. Keeping it simple will allow for subtle shading for wrinkles in the bedding, etc.
I also had some thoughts for some of the dwarves. Perhaps give the chief medical dwarf one of those little round mirror things that doctors used to wear on their foreheads. Similarly, the miners could have a lamp on their heads.
Has any thought been given to how the
Post by: BoomClap on July 15, 2010, 12:06:47 am
Post by: Ampoliros on July 15, 2010, 12:53:11 am
I was gonna vote for your original square mini-table chairs until I saw the new round stools. Nice! They do look taller than the tables, though. They're showing too much leg. :P The difference makes the tables look flat to the floor in comparison.
Yeah, this.
Also while i really like the z-level below stuff in .43, the colors of it seem to make the open parts of caverns really, really dark to where they're difficult to distinguish from the surrounding unseen rock (normally you'd have the little blip to guide you as to which is which)
Post by: jjdorf on July 15, 2010, 01:15:16 am
Post by: Rebirthocool on July 15, 2010, 01:19:50 am
i like the easter egg gems too
Post by: Thundrim on July 15, 2010, 01:39:17 am
Square tables looks more Dwarfy at any rate, and that trumps all rational thought. So take it out on the stools! Also handy for tantrums!
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Post by: Dearnen on July 15, 2010, 01:44:49 am
Post by: Maldevious on July 15, 2010, 06:46:55 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 15, 2010, 07:08:40 am
Post by: Harmonica on July 15, 2010, 08:55:42 am
I'm not mistaken in thinking that dwarves love their chamfered edges and squares.. and that circles are considered inefficient and un-dwarvenly?
I have an alternative: what about benches? A rectangle, which looks good on its own but in a row forms a long bench?
quick and dirty:
(http://i32.tinypic.com/2046rk.png)
Post by: Ironhand on July 15, 2010, 09:15:57 am
Post by: Harmonica on July 15, 2010, 09:33:40 am
If I think about dwarven seating I reckon they would use benches, though.
Post by: Thundrim on July 15, 2010, 10:19:39 am
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Post by: Wavecutter on July 15, 2010, 10:40:45 am
Post by: Vince on July 15, 2010, 11:02:25 am
Square benches for me btw.
Great work!
BTW: Because no one commented on it, I post it again:
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2484/vincecustomstoneores.png)
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1396828#msg1396828
What do you think? Tile magic is missing at this point, though.
Post by: Wavecutter on July 15, 2010, 12:16:34 pm
Post by: Vince on July 15, 2010, 12:18:35 pm
Why add more work for Iron and Worm? I propose that if there is some tile a person dislikes that they can edit the files themselves to fit what they want. i am more than happy to use this tile set without placing any undue burden on it's creator/sI already volunteered to do it some pages ago, after proposing the idea. ;P
Programming is not the work of Iron and Worm, after all.
Post by: Cheddarius on July 15, 2010, 12:52:03 pm
Why add more work for Iron and Worm? I propose that if there is some tile a person dislikes that they can edit the files themselves to fit what they want. i am more than happy to use this tile set without placing any undue burden on it's creator/sTechnically, you could make that argument for submitting a tileset as nothing but the regular DF ASCII tileset.
Post by: Star Weaver on July 15, 2010, 01:10:22 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on July 15, 2010, 01:18:02 pm
Why add more work for Iron and Worm? I propose that if there is some tile a person dislikes that they can edit the files themselves to fit what they want. i am more than happy to use this tile set without placing any undue burden on it's creator/sI already volunteered to do it some pages ago, after proposing the idea. ;P
Programming is not the work of Iron and Worm, after all.
Yeah, forgot about that post.
Post by: Ironhand on July 15, 2010, 01:32:30 pm
At least, I don't know about WormSlayer;
but I write a little Java every now and again.
Did you guys see that DF chess board I made a while back?
I think the only people that saw it were the DF Fan Art people.
Post by: Urist McFail on July 15, 2010, 03:34:13 pm
In my current crummy fort my left raising drawbridge looks funny with its side on chair as the top tile, the upside down square stool on the bottom tile is perfect though.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 15, 2010, 07:00:03 pm
Didnt someone else say there is already an app for mixing and matching tile sets?
Also: I just installed the latest tileset, but when I embark the ground is littered with weird flashing tiles constantly changing material? O.o
From some forum searching this seems to be a problem relating to duplicate entries in the raw files?
Post by: TealThanatos on July 15, 2010, 07:05:07 pm
And that's why I think a custom make-your-own-tileset install helper would be great! :)
Square benches for me btw.
Great work!
BTW: Because no one commented on it, I post it again:
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2484/vincecustomstoneores.png)
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1396828#msg1396828
What do you think? Tile magic is missing at this point, though.
Vince, it's difficult to picture them in game in contrast to the current ones, which is probably why not much response. If you can get them as a screenshot in game people are going to be more likely to comment on it :)
Post by: Vince on July 16, 2010, 02:26:37 am
Not that we can't program.Not that I wanted to imply that! :)
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Vince, it's difficult to picture them in game in contrast to the current ones, which is probably why not much response. If you can get them as a screenshot in game people are going to be more likely to comment on itTrue, but I lack the skill/time to add tile magic to them.
Tried and failed, sorry guys.
I couldn't figure out how to change the pebbles so that they work like the gems in the gem tile.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 16, 2010, 12:21:02 pm
I couldn't figure out how to change the pebbles so that they work like the gems in the gem tile.
The gems tiles work like this:
The gem in the middle is only in the RGB part of the image, so that gets tinted to the foreground colour. The stone detail is only in the alpha channel and in game, the background colour (grey usually) bleeds through.
A lot of other tiles do the opposite though just for fun and it confuses the hell out of me sometimes :D
Post by: nenjin on July 16, 2010, 02:43:17 pm
This is the first time I've sat down to use your tileset. It's great, but there are some readability issues for me. I don't know if it's been mentioned before but...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's really hard to distinguish what's selected with that color. Might just be my monitor settings.
Similarly, the glow effect on the lettering makes it look fuzzy to me, but that's down to taste I guess.
And, as others have said, I think doors could use some more love. In that same screen shot, the detail on those mudstone doors is nearly invisible (again, on my monitor anyways.) Some hard dark lines just picking out the edge and some simple details on the inside would do a lot for those.
Great work though. I find it all a little noisy at times (on the surface), but I'm sure that gets less as you learn the tiles.
Post by: Ironhand on July 16, 2010, 02:50:43 pm
As much as they are what started it all off, they could be even better.
I agree that doors need some love. Maybe I will take a look at it myself.
WormSlayer has a great start there, but another set of eyes might help.
As for the color disambiguation, that is a problem with my colors settings.
All the blues and cyans are very similar, and so are the two greens.
I think I will try and separate those out a bit in the next release.
Post by: BlackRogue on July 16, 2010, 03:20:59 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 16, 2010, 08:18:26 pm
I think there's a lot of contrast.
I'm aiming for the happy medium.
Post by: BlackRogue on July 16, 2010, 08:38:20 pm
Post by: breadbocks on July 17, 2010, 02:54:06 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 17, 2010, 06:57:52 am
Dwarves are actual graphics, rather than tile art,
so if we could make specifications like that, they could be very detailed.
But we cannot. We can only specify their art based on their "profession",
which is pretty much just their best skill or group of skills, plus military stuff.
Post by: Snook on July 17, 2010, 11:08:17 am
Now on to my first 31.10 fort, since it's (finally) the weekend!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 17, 2010, 01:05:59 pm
Here is a little interim release with less glowing objects to save you from eye strain! :)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Harmonica on July 17, 2010, 01:38:01 pm
Also: I just installed the latest tileset, but when I embark the ground is littered with weird flashing tiles constantly changing material? O.o
From some forum searching this seems to be a problem relating to duplicate entries in the raw files?
I had this problem when I was editing a few months ago. I think I had mistyped into the material raws. An extra character here or there will do it. I couldn't find the exact cause so I had to replace my lovely custom colours and stuff.
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2484/vincecustomstoneores.png)
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1396828#msg1396828
What do you think? Tile magic is missing at this point, though.
I really dig that style you've got going on, everything looks very natural and yet detailed.
Post by: Vince on July 17, 2010, 02:00:35 pm
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/2484/vincecustomstoneores.png)I really dig that style you've got going on, everything looks very natural and yet detailed.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1396828#msg1396828
What do you think? Tile magic is missing at this point, though.
Haha, that's nice, but that are just Worms/Irons tiles copied together to show what I mean with "ores/stones/gems sorted by value". :D
Post by: Eremit on July 17, 2010, 03:14:31 pm
I'm also starting a new fort with 31.10 for testing purposes.
Here is a little interim release with less glowing objects to save you from eye strain! :)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I registered(again) to react for 0.43 set, and this post.
Suddenly, after seeing that pic, i just made what i want you to check, guys:
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tileset:
(http://i26.tinypic.com/nv7250.png)
7z:
http://www.easy-share.com/1911357184/ironhand0_dfg.7z
Now, what's there, on these screens:
- doors that were best in 0.42 ironhand set and were definitely broken in 0.43, chg to 0.42's here.
- bag(0.31 pictogram - sex representation made bags just...bad looking now, Mayday icons were optimal and strangely...clear. Taken from Mayday set).
- levers - taken from Mayday(maybe unnecesary, but something made me doing it like this),
- beds - non tile-magic bed from Mayday set(That's the SHAPE to make perfect tile-magic'ed beds, imho).
- dwarves taken from Mayday set(so it's not considered here, imo, neccesary for long term DFG sets user, unfortunately no tile-magic here;/)).
I thought i share this, as with 0.43 i can see some..disadvantages of current..way.
Btw, workshop tiles are barely readable without zooming, i think these may need other, simplier method for 16x16's.
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Big respect, Ironhand, you are doing great and refreshing job, but do not loose it, please...
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Now, this post is comment, nothing more.
Post by: s20dan on July 17, 2010, 04:30:17 pm
(http://s20dan.webs.com/ironhand2.png)
Right Click Save as (http://s20dan.webs.com/ironhand2.png)
Although it doesn't show in the pic for some reason, there are engraved wall sections
too.
Its the interim tileset that wormslayer posted but with some 'tilemagic' to the gems and the diagonal walls plus a few other tweaks.
Pic:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT// There was a problem with the fonts, so they have been replaced with the Ironhand Clean ones.
Post by: Thundrim on July 17, 2010, 04:36:05 pm
That is not our nature, some say that if we went to Heaven, we would be bored to death. It is the journey there that can hold some interest.
Keep up the good work.
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Post by: soul4hdwn on July 17, 2010, 05:11:28 pm
larger sizes gives room for more detail but some people refuse to mess with the zooming
Post by: Ironhand on July 17, 2010, 05:48:25 pm
Here's the deal.
0.44 isn't gonna happen until after the next Toady release.
I've got a bunch of stuff to do this week, but I'm done on like Wednesday.
So then I'll sit down and put some stuff together, hopefully.
And I should be able to release 0.44 by the end of the week.
Until then, bother WormSlayer.
And don't worry, Eremit.
I'm not losing it.
First, I honestly like WormSlayer's stuff.
I think it goes nicely; at least a lot of it does.
I might sort through it and fiddle with some though.
(speaking of, Wormy old bean, what's with the rotary fan?)
(I think it's a bit too soothing and not quite enough painful)
And second, we're getting way more done with him around.
If he weren't here, I'd still be bogged down with stuff anyway,
and then you guys wouldn't be getting much new art at all.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 17, 2010, 06:21:59 pm
Yeah it does kind of look like a desk fan - I spent way too long trying to make the blades look contoured :)
I have a pretty massive, high res monior and I dont have any trouble making out the workshops? The custom one is a bit cluttered though, I may remove a few things.
People modding mod's of mod's is cool :)
Post by: TealThanatos on July 17, 2010, 07:01:17 pm
Necessary! Neecceeeesssarryyyy! :D
Post by: userpay on July 17, 2010, 07:08:30 pm
Post by: s20dan on July 17, 2010, 07:13:15 pm
Btw I just updated that diagonal wall PNG to allow you to see the Z-level below more clearly, like what was in the previous Ironhand version.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 17, 2010, 07:43:13 pm
Post by: Robsoie on July 17, 2010, 07:52:50 pm
-a mix of Ironhand tileset with Haowan letters and numbers
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
-a mix of Ironhand tileset with Teeto_K/Maus letters and numbers (slightly edited manually by myself)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Open the spoiler and Right click and Save As the one you want.
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 17, 2010, 08:52:36 pm
whats the best resolutions for this game?
i try to play on my laptop with 1280x800 do i change or move the window the pictures are going smaller
when i try to play on my TV (40" with 1920x1080) i cant hardly see any dwarf and it looks like its smaller than normal.
why dose the resolution change if i move the window?
Post by: s20dan on July 17, 2010, 08:57:27 pm
Post by: Robsoie on July 17, 2010, 09:07:07 pm
[PRINT_MODE:2D]
change it to
[PRINT_MODE:STANDARD]
It will allow you to zoom more, so even in a lower resolution you can get (though slightly deformed as after a specific level of zoom, the tiles are not square anymore but become rectangular) a bigger view.
By example i have set my windowed DF
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:1024]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:600]
And if i zoom in at its maximum, here the window i have :
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on July 17, 2010, 11:57:56 pm
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 18, 2010, 01:59:59 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Similarly the stockpiles menu, for example Food and "u" for prepared food, visibly no difference between it being selected or not
Post by: Ironhand on July 18, 2010, 07:03:16 am
I'm aware of the problem. Thanks.
Also, if you leave the init at 0x0,
it'll choose the best resolution for you.
And it'll update when you resize or
move or fullscreen the window, too.
If your monitor is less than 1440 pixels
horizontally, you get squished a little bit.
But it still works and everything.
100 pages!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 18, 2010, 05:48:35 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/a421G.png)
Post by: soul4hdwn on July 18, 2010, 08:06:34 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on July 18, 2010, 09:34:26 pm
Post by: Daywalkah on July 18, 2010, 09:40:44 pm
Post by: Igfig on July 18, 2010, 09:49:29 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 18, 2010, 10:23:21 pm
Highlights include cages that should look pretty good no matter what they are made from, metal ones even look thinner and more wire-like? :D
(http://i.imgur.com/TIaP6.png)
New Cave Wheat / Pig Tail / various other plant tile with TileMagic(tm)?
(http://i.imgur.com/H7Lxs.png)(http://i.imgur.com/GmyZS.png)
Figurines that are not cyclops? ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/LCUWk.png)
Post by: xDarkz on July 19, 2010, 02:59:42 am
You guys must really love Dwarf Fortress to go through all this trouble, and man, am I thankful :P.
Post by: Thundrim on July 19, 2010, 03:12:27 am
On another note, the background looks pretty sweet on my monitor, I don't find the ground patterns disturbing or especially "noisy" compared to the roughness they try to emulate? The contrast between rough stone and smooth "treated" stone would suffer if the background is toned down further?
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 19, 2010, 08:46:35 am
(http://i.imgur.com/uteSa.png)
And messing about with tables and chairs some more:
(http://i.imgur.com/u08aC.png)
Post by: flatlander on July 19, 2010, 09:19:40 am
In the init.txt , if you see
[PRINT_MODE:2D]
change it to
[PRINT_MODE:STANDARD]
It will allow you to zoom more, so even in a lower resolution you can get (though slightly deformed as after a specific level of zoom, the tiles are not square anymore but become rectangular) a bigger view.
Thank you for this useful information. I have been looking for how to increase my zoom for my netbook mode.
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 19, 2010, 12:17:39 pm
one last wish or question
is it possible for someone with graphic skills to changethe smoothedstone from black lines to white? just would want too know how this wouldlook like.
tryed it for my self had no luck to change it.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 19, 2010, 01:29:47 pm
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 19, 2010, 02:19:48 pm
how did you do this?
i want to try it on greater rooms if it could look like better or make the game a little bit brither
Post by: Cheddarius on July 19, 2010, 02:29:49 pm
hi thanks for the fast replay thetipp with zooming works wonderfull on my 40" TVHah, that should be fun.
Someone should play DF hooked up to an IMAX screen, perhaps one floor on each panel. Pure joy.
Post by: Theodolus on July 19, 2010, 03:45:02 pm
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/pyra18/whitegrout.png)
Strangely enough, it had the added effect of making my brown doors actually look good. Below is what the doors and floor looked like with black grout.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/pyra18/blackgrout.png)
...On second thought, that's probably because I used the interim set that WormSlayer posted up a few pages back... Note the round stools. ::)
By the way, nice interim set. :D
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 19, 2010, 04:51:38 pm
how did you attach the stone in the game?
thanks for your screenshots ^^
Post by: Theodolus on July 19, 2010, 05:05:39 pm
To save you the work...
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/pyra18/ironhand-white.png)
Note that this has 'experimental' Wormy art in it that hasn't been incorporated into the actual version yet. Like round stools instead of left facing chairs. :D
Post by: Igfig on July 19, 2010, 05:13:07 pm
A quick mock-up to see what rounded corners would look like:That looks good.
(http://i.imgur.com/uteSa.png)
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And messing about with tables and chairs some more:Don't like that much, though. The chairs and tables don't match at all now. Also, the tables look like they have beveled edges, which is weird. Why not just go back to your last set of round stools, shorten the legs a bit, and call it a day?
(http://i.imgur.com/u08aC.png)
Post by: Theodolus on July 19, 2010, 05:33:09 pm
Post by: Meanmelter on July 19, 2010, 06:05:17 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on July 19, 2010, 06:14:55 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 19, 2010, 06:58:31 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/uHuf3.png)
Also :D
(http://i.imgur.com/MUMg0.png)
Post by: Star Weaver on July 19, 2010, 07:06:16 pm
The latset charisperiment is interesting. The stool sorta reminds me of a training maching from ... dungeone keeper? Big post thing with dangling flails.
It would probably help judge if you showed rows of tables and chairs in horizontal and vertical at the same time :D.
Oh, and I flopped my current fort back over to IH (.43 set, I think) and threw it up on DFMA (http://mkv25.net/dfma/map-9214-oilyprices); I just had a goblin ambush set that killed most of my military so I have no idea how much longer I'm going to sruvive :D. I'll throw some POI on it tomorrow when I have time :).
Post by: WormSlayer on July 19, 2010, 07:11:22 pm
Example:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZdxAC.png)
Hey Star Weaver, shouldnt all those " symbols outside be showing a plant graphic?
Funnelling gobbo's through a narrow entrance lined with cage traps seems to work pretty well, here is my main entrance after a recent gobbo siege :D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Urist McFail on July 19, 2010, 07:45:27 pm
I tend to have drawbridges raised and the chair tile (and the 3 other rotated chair tiles) is used in drawbridges that raise to the left or right (vertical)
Fingers crossed full graphics get implemented in the future!
Post by: Star Weaver on July 19, 2010, 08:40:31 pm
Hey Star Weaver, shouldnt all those " symbols outside be showing a plant graphic?
Yeah, I was just wondering about that myself. They don't show up as anything when undesignated. It's probably cotton or safflower or something; I've got Rhenaya's plants and one of my own. I think I left the raws with tiles set for them in the .42 directory -- I made some changes on the DFTerm version, so I copied the raws over and re-merged the IH tiles with the Selector tool thinigie; from an incomplete set :\.
Post by: Theodolus on July 19, 2010, 08:54:54 pm
Post by: Rebirthocool on July 19, 2010, 09:04:38 pm
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/pyra18/whitegrout.png)
This. with dark grout. ;D
Post by: Eviltane01 on July 19, 2010, 09:11:56 pm
Ironhand and wormslayer and too all the others that work on this mod I invite all of you to my legendary ale stores 10 000 Barrels of the finest drink await you!
;D
Post by: Thundrim on July 19, 2010, 09:15:38 pm
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 19, 2010, 09:25:02 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Z3L6m.png)
(Bone and bits of bone tinted by foreground colour, offal tinted by background colour; but I dont have any exotic bits laying around :P)
Post by: soul4hdwn on July 19, 2010, 09:41:02 pm
That last screenshot reminded me to have a fiddle with the "remains" tile. How about a pile of generic offal with a bone sticking out?omg you can totally mix that with one of the levers, just add a skull or something O.o(Bone and bits of bone tinted by foreground colour, offal tinted by background colour; but I dont have any exotic bits laying around :P)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
probly won't be good but might be fun(ny) to mess around with XD
Post by: Thundrim on July 19, 2010, 09:42:11 pm
Regarding the remains: Slightly hard to identify the bone, it merges with the refuse, and thus it is possible to come up with imagery based on the complete shape. Might have to be more obvious, and less generic maybe.
Heh. I can see a weird animal there now, after doing the mind trick on myself.
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Post by: Theodolus on July 19, 2010, 09:48:58 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 19, 2010, 10:02:13 pm
Edit: To clarify; any graphics we make automatically get tinted different colours by the game engine depending on what material its made from and stuff. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/FdMhy.png)
In some random circumstances it may end up looking exactly like that in game, but only if the particular remains happen to use the correct foreground and background colours...
Edit: Oh... If I swap the foreground and background it looks a lot better :P
(http://i.imgur.com/ikPqN.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on July 20, 2010, 12:21:04 am
Post by: Vince on July 20, 2010, 01:47:11 am
For those of you who like the white grout here is a variation that occurred to me: If you can paste this into the tilesheet with the alpha channel intact, smooth floor tiles will have black grout and engraved floors white/coloured grout: (http://i.imgur.com/eXcfH.png)
Example:
(http://i.imgur.com/ZdxAC.png)
I LOVE it!
And the sand in your latest screens make me wish we had tile transitions (or at least ... uh... "region rounding") in DF.
Post by: Wavecutter on July 20, 2010, 07:02:07 am
Post by: Vinnie on July 20, 2010, 12:44:22 pm
Post by: Theodolus on July 20, 2010, 02:07:52 pm
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/pyra18/ironhand.png)
If you want to put that smooth floor tile onto one of the other versions all you need to do is save the tile WormSlayer gave us as a .png, open ironhand.png in GIMP, use the select tool to select the appropriate tile (3rd row down, 5th from the right), erase the tile, copy and paste the new tile in. Pretty simple, just make sure that you see the alpha channel (gray and dark gray pattern) before pasting in the new tile.
Also, Worm, Ironhand, hope it's okay that I keep throwing these up. If you'd rather I not I'll restrain myself. :D
Edit: WormSlayer, are the four gem tiles you gave us on page 100 the actual deal, or is there a non-colored version that should be pasted into the set? I like those gems more than the ones in the sets we have.
Post by: Ironhand on July 20, 2010, 02:48:14 pm
Post to your heart's content.
One more day and I'm free! = D
Oh, and WormSlayer old sport.
I probably should be shooting you down
without any lovely new art of my own, but:
The new tables and chairs are a not so much for me.
If you can, though, I think the tables and chairs could
do with a little bit sharper of an edge.
And I think they should fill their tiles.
But the bevel on the table is cool.
You could slap that on there too.
Otherwise I will play with it when I get back.
The remains aren't doing much for me either.
Just my thoughts. I'll look at it all together later.
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 20, 2010, 03:35:00 pm
going to try it out
so you mean if i want every floor with white sprites i need gimp to change there the color?
thanks
Post by: Solace on July 20, 2010, 03:43:01 pm
The new tables and chairs are a not so much for me.The problem, I think, is that you can't have the tables and chairs fill their tiles, and yet have the tables look taller than the chairs.
If you can, though, I think the tables and chairs could
do with a little bit sharper of an edge.
And I think they should fill their tiles.
Post by: Ironhand on July 20, 2010, 03:52:23 pm
But yeah, I guess I didn't mean chairs.
Tables should, though.
I like to be able to stick a bunch together.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 20, 2010, 03:53:31 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Solace is right about that, the chairs have to be at least a little shorter - It's bad enough how badly we are already abusing perspective to show the legs while keeping tables square :P
Another problem with tables is that every workshop has work tables in them made from a stone tiles so the precedent is kind of set for a top-down view where you cant even see the legs?
Post by: Theodolus on July 20, 2010, 04:37:56 pm
so you mean if i want every floor with white sprites i need gimp to change there the color?
Hrm. Not sure exactly what you are looking for here. I think I can explain it (though Ironhand can probably explain it better (might want to check out his tile magic thread)) but it would probably take too long to do that here. If you PM me more details as to what you are trying to do, I can try to explain it a little better without cluttering up this thread.
I like that tile for engraved floor! It's a tad dark for my taste/monitor, so I lightened it up a bit. Even darker though it really makes the engraved vs. smoothed really pop. Unless another better version comes around I'll be sticking with this one. :D I have to agree with Ironhand (and I think you as well, WormSlayer (Wormy?)), that the table needs to take up the whole tile so rows of tables look better. Chairs are progressively looking better but still need a fair amount of work.
Post by: ChickenLips on July 20, 2010, 05:12:09 pm
On the chairs: I may be a bit strange, but I like how the chairs and tables are in the last official release. Not so hot on stools or anything either, I'm afraid.
Also, I was working on (roughly) converting the plants in Civ Forge and SethCreiyd's Flora & Fauna for my own use with my Ironhand build, and made a quick sort of guide for plant tiles in your set to submit to Mephansteras in case he finds it helpful for CF. So, on the off-chance that anyone else would find it useful, I'll paste it here for anyone who might like to convert their plants into your graphics framework.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 20, 2010, 07:04:11 pm
Oh you covered that :/
Post by: Igfig on July 20, 2010, 11:14:49 pm
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Igfig/engraving1.png)
I also played with the walls, with mixed results. I converted the black in the middle 8 pixels of each wall to transparency, which didn't do much to the microcline in the previous picture, but looks good on the lignite and kaolinite in this one:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Igfig/engraving2.png)
What do you think?
Post by: Theodolus on July 21, 2010, 01:05:25 am
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t52/pyra18/Newstools-1.png)
Also, see the entry way for engraved floor tiles. I brightened them up a hair from Wormy's default. All this fiddling with the setup makes me want to do something completely original... Ah well, bed beckons.
Post by: Harmonica on July 21, 2010, 02:09:53 am
I also played with the walls, with mixed results. I converted the black in the middle 8 pixels of each wall to transparency, which didn't do much to the microcline in the previous picture, but looks good on the lignite and kaolinite in this one:
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a349/Igfig/engraving2.png)
What do you think?
I like the effect, but what about if you had the transparency on the edges of the walls, rather than in the middle (doesn't that make more sense for engraved walls?). You'd still have the stone in the middle as you'd expect, but around the edges where they've worked the engravings, the rock would be slightly smoother.
I think it might also be a tad too smooth, though.
Post by: Vinnie on July 21, 2010, 07:35:11 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 21, 2010, 04:05:51 pm
Big bevelled tables with different stools, but now both using the same fake perspective.
(http://i.imgur.com/eXXns.png)
(Why the hell do dorfs stand on tables all the time? The kitten at least could be underneath the table...)
Post by: Theodolus on July 21, 2010, 04:47:01 pm
Edit: Now that I've been looking at them for a little while.. The chairs still look a bit high. Don't get me wrong, they're the best ones yet, it just seems as though a dwarf would have a hard time getting up into one.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 21, 2010, 07:10:04 pm
Trying out a bit of Tile Magic on the web/currency/rough gem/all that other stuff tile:
(http://i.imgur.com/LrX3O.png)
(Cave Spider webs are actually white and orange - who knew?)
(http://i.imgur.com/0PO1s.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/EUUBc.png)
Post by: Wavecutter on July 21, 2010, 08:19:10 pm
I think I would actually prefer some kind of pattern on the wall (sort of like the engraved floors are now) rather than the dotted outline...
What about using individual, colored pixels to somehow simulate mosaics?
Post by: Hippoman on July 21, 2010, 10:36:40 pm
I think I would actually prefer some kind of pattern on the wall (sort of like the engraved floors are now) rather than the dotted outline...4 times! thats like more than last time!
Big bevelled tables with different stools, but now both using the same fake perspective.
(http://i.imgur.com/eXXns.png)
(Why the hell do dorfs stand on tables all the time? The kitten at least could be underneath the table...)
Post by: Ironhand on July 22, 2010, 06:58:00 am
I was kinda attached to square ones,
but the round ones are growing on me.
The tables are too blurry, though.
Can you render those with sharper edges?
(and maybe send me a copy without the bevel)
Anyway, I'm done with my summer project!
I now have a month off! Let's get some art done!
(so I can keep my name on this project :P )
Post by: WormSlayer on July 22, 2010, 09:23:01 am
I'm also quite liking the round stools, but there is the issue of drawbridges and siege engines... Anyway I will tweak the tables and send you over all the source files.
Glad your back in action, but dont feel bad - I have no life :)
Post by: Ironhand on July 22, 2010, 09:27:47 am
Actually, I'm thinking I'll be able to focus more on real spriting.
With you keeping up with the tileset, I'll be able to make more critters.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 22, 2010, 09:56:46 am
Dungeon Master should really look kind of like this? :P
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tormy on July 22, 2010, 10:13:23 am
Yeah it would be great to get some more critters, races and professions.
Dungeon Master should really look kind of like this? :PSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Eh, in my imagination, this is how the Dungeon Master looks like:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on July 22, 2010, 10:21:07 am
Post by: Cheddarius on July 22, 2010, 11:35:01 am
Post by: blub-dwarf on July 22, 2010, 03:51:24 pm
i realy like the new chairs they look great
the foor too in this room
yes ironhand is back ^^
so critting will start ^^
animals and woman dwarfs?
Post by: Ironhand on July 22, 2010, 03:53:29 pm
And humans and elves and kobolds and stuff.
Distinct graphics for female dwarves aren't supported yet, unfortunately.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 22, 2010, 04:09:59 pm
Did you have any luck with moving rough gems and coal to a new tile?
I would pay good money to see a cage fight between Tormy's DM and the fruity one from the TV series :P
Post by: Thundrim on July 22, 2010, 05:16:16 pm
Female graphics would be good, watching 2 little bearded dudes make babies is always a bit O.o
I believe you get bearded babies that way. Nothing beardless emerges from that kind of union.
Seriously though, the ability to create a visual distinction between male and not-so-male Dwarves would be nice, in 2012 or 2121, whatever comes first, or last. ;)
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 22, 2010, 06:46:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/sdosb.png)
Seriously though... What works for "every possible item of clothing or armour" and doesnt look weird sat in the middle of most workshops - Why does a masonry workshop even have one of these tiles? What is the context?!?! O.o
(http://i.imgur.com/UUvvk.png)
WORMSLAYER REQUIRES SHELLS!!!!!! O.o
Post by: userpay on July 22, 2010, 07:18:50 pm
Post by: Dearnen on July 22, 2010, 07:41:51 pm
Need to claim a workshop? Leave a sock!
Need to get a drink? Leave a sock!
Have a rock to haul? Leave a sock!
There's even a popular Dwarf song: Got something to do? Leave a sock!
Post by: Solace on July 22, 2010, 08:31:55 pm
Post by: Igfig on July 22, 2010, 10:29:51 pm
The new trap components look elegantly deadly. Nice job.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 22, 2010, 10:32:59 pm
But, having tried it, I rather like it!
(http://i.imgur.com/YSfST.png)
It also doesnt look weirdly out of place in a workshop?
(http://i.imgur.com/LUIcR.png)
Post by: Hippoman on July 23, 2010, 12:05:36 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 01:03:48 am
(http://i.imgur.com/7DJHo.png)
Post by: Deon on July 23, 2010, 02:15:59 am
Post by: Urist McFail on July 23, 2010, 04:55:47 am
That is actually how I would like my Ore to look, I think Ore would be piled into generic looking sacks as it was mined out :)
Even that sack, along with a small loose piece of ore on the floor next to it.
The Amulet is a brilliant idea, you even incorporated an Ankh, brilliance in 18x18pixels.
The Male symbol/bag looks, to my eye, like a refuse sack; could you perhaps add a texture so it looks a little like woven fabric? I have no idea how you can visualise detail levels like that in such a small graphic!
Post by: Ironhand on July 23, 2010, 07:45:13 am
And for clothes I was sort of thinking a pile of fabric.
I dunno. Maybe I'll play with it later.
They're pretty sweet nonetheless.
And the ankh is gorgeous! = D
Anyway, I'm gonna package together all of WormSlayer's new stuff into 0.31.11 this morning.
You should all expect to have another (again mostly WormSlayer) release sometime today.
Post by: HeliumFreak on July 23, 2010, 09:39:19 am
For example. In your .43 release compared to 31.10.. Your still using an inaccurate inorganic_metal.txt file and you dont even modify it and that equates to 119 errors alone
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 11:06:04 am
I have tried several different cloth textures on the sacks, but yeah at that size the detail all blends together. Needless to say my OCD will kick in at some point and they will be tweaked :P
I also had a few weird problems trying to upgrade with the last release!
Edit: I did try and use Tile Magic to mask out the chain bit of the amulet so you only see the Ankh when it's being used to display gender but at least the one Highwood amulet my dorfs have made seems to not use a background colour, or it's set to black...
Post by: Spoonfeed on July 23, 2010, 11:10:41 am
Post by: Shrugging Khan on July 23, 2010, 11:42:12 am
Consider yourselves honoured, oh modders, that your work is appreciated!
If it was not of the high quality it presented with so far, you would certainly have been fed to the dogs already.
Post by: Ironhand on July 23, 2010, 01:16:06 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on July 23, 2010, 01:19:34 pm
Shrugging McKhan, the one true king of Akkad demands the completion of the 31.11 release of the IGS! He will then, for the first time, use it instead of square ASCII!
Consider yourselves honoured, oh modders, that your work is appreciated!
If it was not of the high quality it presented with so far, you would certainly have been fed to the dogs already.
Don't feed yourself to the dogs by biting the hand that feeds...assuming that Ironhand is a dog and not a llama :P
Post by: Alu on July 23, 2010, 01:39:52 pm
Plus, biting an iron hand might not be the best idea.Shrugging McKhan, the one true king of Akkad demands the completion of the 31.11 release of the IGS! He will then, for the first time, use it instead of square ASCII!
Consider yourselves honoured, oh modders, that your work is appreciated!
If it was not of the high quality it presented with so far, you would certainly have been fed to the dogs already.
Don't feed yourself to the dogs by biting the hand that feeds...assuming that Ironhand is a dog and not a llama :P
PS: how does Obsidian look in this graphics set?
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 01:58:54 pm
Shrugging McKhan, the one true king of Akkad demands the completion of the 31.11 release of the IGS! He will then, for the first time, use it instead of square ASCII!
Consider yourselves honoured, oh modders, that your work is appreciated!
If it was not of the high quality it presented with so far, you would certainly have been fed to the dogs already.
Once you go graphics you never go back - ONE OF US! :P
Edit: Apparently there is some obsidian somewhere on my current map but I cant find it to take a screenshot...
Post by: Ironhand on July 23, 2010, 03:25:21 pm
I'm going to go package it up and upload it now.
You'll have to let me know if you like it.
Post by: Ironhand on July 23, 2010, 03:40:55 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 03:46:05 pm
How about tables that kind of fit together horizontally to make long dining tables?
(http://i.imgur.com/mpEax.png)
Well I managed to upgrade without my fort asploding so all is good :D
Post by: Iron Galaxy on July 23, 2010, 04:03:56 pm
thanks for any help.
Post by: Theodolus on July 23, 2010, 04:05:00 pm
I'm liking the new set! Not sure if it's me or my monitor (different one than what I normally use) but the colors seem to be better as well. Did you tweak the color settings? They appear lighter.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 04:18:55 pm
Sorry if this is a silly question, but i've been using pheobus's mod and i wanted to check yours out so I moved my savegame over BUT some of the sprites have been carried over so it looks halfway between both mods. When i start a new game everything is as it should be but I don't know how to get my old save to use your graphic set entirely.
thanks for any help.
Your savegame folder probably has copies of the raws from Pheobus' set inside it, if you replace them with our raws you should be golden :)
I like those tables... one nitpick would be the pattern needs a little more (less?) noise so it doesn't seem to tile so badly. That could just be me though. :) I really wish the tables could be used by two dwarfs at a time.
I'm liking the new set! Not sure if it's me or my monitor (different one than what I normally use) but the colors seem to be better as well. Did you tweak the color settings? They appear lighter.
Yeah the noise is a bit loud. Took me ages to realise the 1 dorf per table thing and it is kind of annoying! There have been many, many little tweaks but I suspect it's more to do with the different monitor :)
On the subject of monitors: Anyone who finds our set too dark; please try calibrating your monitor brightness/contrast, if you have it set up correctly everything should be fully visible :)
Post by: Theodolus on July 23, 2010, 04:24:38 pm
Post by: Iron Galaxy on July 23, 2010, 04:30:05 pm
Your savegame folder probably has copies of the raws from Pheobus' set inside it, if you replace them with our raws you should be golden :)
thanks, it worked.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 04:32:21 pm
(http://imgur.com/V1MGC.png)
Post by: wavern on July 23, 2010, 04:46:56 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 04:57:16 pm
Post by: wavern on July 23, 2010, 05:01:25 pm
Did you also replace the main DF raws?
I downloaded the DF .45 full. Copied over my save folder and then deleted the raw folder in each save and then copied over the raw from the DF .45 download.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 05:03:45 pm
Post by: wavern on July 23, 2010, 05:05:46 pm
Hrm... I'm a bit stumped then - Pushing pixels around is more my area of expertise... :(
I'll give it another once over and maybe try a fresh map. Might be some other residual file elsewhere.
Post by: ChickenLips on July 23, 2010, 05:23:53 pm
Post by: wavern on July 23, 2010, 05:28:29 pm
Is your d_init.txt pillar tile 199?
That was the issue. Didn't realize that was different. I copy my d_init file over as I have some personal settings I like.
Post by: Huin on July 23, 2010, 05:44:20 pm
I'm getting palm trees for pillars. I did a complete exchange in the raws for my saves (delete old copy new). Changing from Mayday if that helps.
Compare your init files against those in the graphics pack. The character for the pillar is configured in there.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 05:55:21 pm
Post by: gtmattz on July 23, 2010, 06:28:32 pm
Great new additions, I am really happy with the way things are going with this pack and enjoy the heck out of watching the evolution of things with the frequent sneak peeks in here.
GJ, guys, keep em comin!
Post by: Ironhand on July 23, 2010, 06:51:36 pm
Sorry I wasn't here to help with your problems, but I'm glad they're solved.
Yeah, adamantine is using a different tile now... I'm still unhappy with the ore tiles, though.
Sometime later I'm gonna make a distinct ore for iron/copper, and one for precious stones, and one for coal.
Maybe that'll actually be next release, I dunno. I think it really needs to get done.
Also, somebody find some obsidian and make sure it looks nice. It might be too dark...
Speaking of too dark, I did actually change the color scheme just a tiny bit.
Just light green and light blue and light cyan, I think. But I think it helps.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 07:36:45 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And yes thats Ore Tile version 347895623563456.2 there :D
One of the problems I'm having with ore is that the engine ignores the background colour? So no cool palette trickery :(
But yes, more unique tiles is always win :)
Post by: Ironhand on July 23, 2010, 08:08:14 pm
Eventually it'll happen. I have faith.
Yeah, that obsidian isn't gonna work.
I'll put it back the way it was before.
Post by: Robsoie on July 23, 2010, 08:28:16 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on July 23, 2010, 08:31:34 pm
I'm still not a fan of the purple turkey. It will be gone next version.
Post by: Zoal on July 23, 2010, 08:55:21 pm
Obsidian:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is the coolest Obsidian tile I've ever seen.
I love how warped, organic, and evil it is -- it goes diagonally which defies the common "horizontal vertical bias"
And notice how the little "hole" in the center of the structure creates a strangely coherent shape out of the negative space.
Post by: Thundrim on July 23, 2010, 09:35:58 pm
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Post by: Shrugging Khan on July 23, 2010, 09:36:40 pm
Post by: Solace on July 23, 2010, 09:49:14 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 23, 2010, 10:08:02 pm
Since it looks like a turkey leg I may as well use it for that :P
(http://i.imgur.com/mlV5P.png)
Post by: Ironhand on July 24, 2010, 08:11:23 am
So what, do you guys like the obsidian tile?
How could I change it to make it more visible,
without killing the look which you seem to like?
Post by: Zoal on July 24, 2010, 09:21:12 am
Post by: Vince on July 24, 2010, 09:22:29 am
It's too hard to see where the walls are.
Maybe make it a little bit grayer?
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/1775/obsidian1rough.png
Post by: Ryjer on July 24, 2010, 11:29:09 am
As to Wormies ore I'm ok with it, actually kinda like it. But defiantly curious to see what you can do with it, you haven't failed to impress yet.
Oh and I like the smoothed floor Worm had in one of his screens. Is that going official? Too bad we can have different tiles for smoothed and engraved, cause I like both. The current one (0.44) looks great in most rooms, but a little plain in rooms I got all fancied up with statues and engravings.
Post by: Solace on July 24, 2010, 03:42:14 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 24, 2010, 04:17:46 pm
Post by: qwert on July 24, 2010, 04:39:40 pm
Just swap it out in the proper init, and d→v any affected engravings.
Post by: Matthias on July 24, 2010, 05:11:16 pm
Post by: Star Guarded on July 24, 2010, 05:24:57 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 24, 2010, 05:52:31 pm
Also the menu and world generation screens are always long and thin, but in-game you will have full screen magma on dorf action :D
The engravings setting in the init does sound like a candidate now you mention it :D
It really is a surprising amount of work for such tiny graphics, good to know people enjoy it! :)
Post by: Thundrim on July 24, 2010, 07:14:06 pm
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 24, 2010, 09:03:25 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/x8dVk.png)
And more webby webs:
(http://i.imgur.com/vbaQ4.png)
(Still not really sure why they are orange, there doesnt seem to be any way to change it either...)
Post by: Thundrim on July 25, 2010, 12:21:39 am
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Post by: KadaverciK on July 25, 2010, 12:36:42 am
Would this work with 40d? :(
Post by: Vince on July 25, 2010, 03:45:47 am
(Still not really sure why they are orange, there doesnt seem to be any way to change it either...)
Aren't they muddy per default down there?
Post by: Ironhand on July 25, 2010, 06:47:25 am
No matter what you make the background color for things in caves,
it'll always be covered up with mud. Same goes for plants and stuff.
But if you wash the mud off, all the lovely bright colors will show through. = P
And no, this doesn't really work with 40d. You could use the tileset, but without modified raws stuff will look funny...
Post by: Ironhand on July 25, 2010, 07:16:29 am
I just read the thing about bright backgrounds that you figured out like two weeks ago.
That is slick! I guess I just got so spoiled with hermano's tileset that I never fiddled with that enough.
Anyway, I guess sometime later I'll get my hands dirty and go into the raws myself and fix some stuff up.
But we should be able to do some exciting new stuff now. Pink spots for those plump helmets, maybe? :D
Also, this will let me add a white shine to embedded gems. It will be awesome. Just FYI.
Post by: Ironhand on July 25, 2010, 07:57:12 am
(http://i26.tinypic.com/67nts8.png)
MAGIC.
Post by: Ironhand on July 25, 2010, 08:06:39 am
they look totally lame.
(http://i25.tinypic.com/9j20r9.png)
That can be changed, though.
We need a new tile for rough gems.
Post by: Vince on July 25, 2010, 09:01:32 am
rough gems: What about the same gem-icons, just wihout the background and maybe "piled together" ?
Post by: WormSlayer on July 25, 2010, 09:49:35 am
They do badly need a new tile once they have been mined out though! The one you assigned to adamantine was a placeholder for rough gems but I guess we can use the empty tile beside it?
Ah yes, mud!
Ore Tile - Version 347895623563456.3 :D
(http://i.imgur.com/Jknwo.png) (http://i.imgur.com/qxIRO.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/pmn1G.png)
Post by: userpay on July 25, 2010, 10:17:44 am
Post by: Snook on July 25, 2010, 10:21:37 am
E: Apparently I can. Win!
Post by: Vince on July 25, 2010, 10:40:36 am
Ore Tile - Version 347895623563456.3 :D1st pic: good
2nd pic: good
3rd pic: bad
(visibility-wise)
What about making the stones a tad darker? Maybe the ore would stick out a bit more then.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 25, 2010, 11:46:34 am
.12 you say? Maybe it will stop the constant crashing I've been getting :)
Also Phoebus has kindly agreed to let us bundle his rather bloody useful "df_savegame_updater.bat" file with future releases :)
Post by: Turambar on July 25, 2010, 12:20:17 pm
Am i supposed to see boxes in the unrevealed earth?
Post by: Ironhand on July 25, 2010, 01:00:11 pm
There's nothing we can do about it.
Post by: Star Weaver on July 25, 2010, 01:09:57 pm
Everything looks very nice.
Am i supposed to see boxes in the unrevealed earth?
It's just your dwarves fantasizing about the haul of minerals in the rocks ... (or something, run with it :))
Post by: Bandages on July 25, 2010, 02:47:01 pm
WOLVES PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Post by: Turambar on July 25, 2010, 02:55:35 pm
Post by: connard on July 25, 2010, 05:39:35 pm
However I think that engraving stone makes everything un-readable, even if the idea of showing what's engraved is actually great. Here's a screenshot where you can see the middle room engraved, there are only 3 tables and 3 thrones, and 5 dwarves and 2 animals... and you can see how hard it is to see floor and walls (worst is floor).
(http://www.armedassault.info/ftp/pics/Clipboard01.jpg)
Post by: Thundrim on July 25, 2010, 05:59:26 pm
However I think that engraving stone makes everything un-readable, even if the idea of showing what's engraved is actually great. Here's a screenshot where you can see the middle room engraved,
Yeah. They show up that way in the Mayday set as well, if not obscured. It is in the d_init, make sure it says [ENGRAVINGS_START_OBSCURED:YES], and "D V" across those already visible in the game. It's mentioned here earlier I think. But it is in the Data/Init/d_init text document specifically. I noticed it has NO in this version also. That makes things kinda busy. Hide it, and all will be well. :P
Added for clarity:
( d v with small letters, and "paint" the affected area with cursor and the enter key. )
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Post by: Harmonica on July 25, 2010, 06:00:20 pm
Maybe somehow the engraving details could be very low opacity, or is that not possible?
Post by: connard on July 25, 2010, 06:32:43 pm
Here's how it looks now!
(http://www.armedassault.info/ftp/pics/Clipboard02.gif)
Post by: Ironhand on July 25, 2010, 06:59:00 pm
I always forget to switch that one back when I make a new init.
Usually I set engravings obscured by default.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 25, 2010, 08:19:14 pm
Post by: xDarkz on July 25, 2010, 09:44:54 pm
It would actually be kind of awesome if engraved walls had a little faint icon of whatever the main theme of the engraving was?
It would, it would ^_^.
In any case, I'll just go ahead and upload you guys' tileset onto the current version 0.31.12 I just downloaded on my computer. Just letting you guys know there's been a quick-fix ;].
Love your tileset, keep up the GREAT work!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 25, 2010, 10:12:06 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/2twTj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IeQht.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ysdSa.png)
Post by: BlackRogue on July 25, 2010, 10:18:18 pm
Furnace/Sink? version 2.0 :)
(http://i.imgur.com/2twTj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IeQht.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ysdSa.png)
I want!
Post by: Bandages on July 25, 2010, 10:35:23 pm
Post by: Darkmere on July 25, 2010, 10:36:48 pm
Furnace/Sink? version 2.0 :)
(http://i.imgur.com/2twTj.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IeQht.png) (http://i.imgur.com/ysdSa.png)
Bonus if you can make that correspond to a !!Lignite Bin!! for immolation traps.
And make it be on fire.
I approve either way. It's really great to wander by this thread every day and see something new. I think I'm starting to get spoiled by quality...
Post by: Thundrim on July 26, 2010, 12:28:45 am
Take it easy, or we will suffer the fate of all those who defies the natural order of things. To sink into that eternal bog of mindless appreciation for mass produced art, tailored to the broadest cross-section of the Holy target audience imaginable. Chewed out and made digestible for all ages, genders, and made sure it's enjoyed by your Dog as well, just in case it should stumble across the Keyboard. Verily! How dare anyone put their individual mark upon a game Anno Domini 2010? It is just not very kind to our Mega-Huge Super-Absorbed Companies swimming like Megalodons out there, hungry since all the small fish disappeared MYSTERIOUSLY. ;)
Anyways: nice work. The coherency and control of the color scheme, shape and form relations, and finally object orientation within this framework, makes this quality art down to the individual pixels. I'm impressed. Giving us the chance to provide some input and nudges here and there is also very much appreciated. It makes the process more open and organic, somehow.
(Do note that late night ranting is bad for you. Surgeon's General Warning. It will in most cases be alright by the morning though.)
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Post by: breadbocks on July 26, 2010, 12:57:07 am
Post by: Poot on July 26, 2010, 01:02:53 am
Something I took last night.
Post by: Thundrim on July 26, 2010, 01:28:09 am
Could absolutely imagine some DF "tapestry" on the walls, depicting some memorable scenes. Coincidence it might be, but it would make for great wall decoration. Heh.
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Post by: Vince on July 26, 2010, 02:05:22 am
The idea for ore this time was a bright blob of ore with dark bits of stone stuck to it, rather than stone with ore sticking out. Again its complicated by not being able to use any tile magic :(You misunderstood my incoherent ramblings. :)
I meant making the "stone" tile darker, not the stone part of the "ore" tile, sorry that I didn't write it clearer.
But your idea is better anyway, the ore parts of the ore tile should be even darker then, I think.
And the new furnace tile: AMAZING.
Post by: soul4hdwn on July 26, 2010, 10:40:00 am
Post by: Robsoie on July 26, 2010, 11:22:46 am
I edited the tileset with an alternative clean font, if you want to give a try :
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1425961#msg1425961
For me it is much better for my poor old eyes ;)
Post by: Ironhand on July 26, 2010, 11:54:15 am
And yeah, you should be able to just switch over to 0.31.12 if you want.
But we might have another version out in a couple days anyway.
That furnace is hot, WormSlayer. I love it.
I'm still not feeling the sack of clothes or the refuse, though.
What critters should I do next? I heard a cry for wolves... any other recommendations?
Post by: Maldevious on July 26, 2010, 01:04:00 pm
Spoiler: War Animals (click to show/hide)
Post by: Randomtask on July 26, 2010, 01:12:50 pm
After checking her for fever and/or demonic posession, I downloaded Ironhand's graphics set, knowing nothing less would do.
I went to sleep around 11 p.m. after showing her a few basics and pointing her to the complete and utter newby tutorial.
When I woke again at about 4:30 a.m., she was still playing, laughing about how she couldn't get a farm properly irrigated so her dwarves were going to die.
Her callous overlord mentality brought a tear of joy to my eye.
Thanks, Ironhand and WormSlayer. I couldn't have warped her fragile psyche without you.
Post by: Xelnag on July 26, 2010, 01:30:27 pm
Looking forward to it ^^
Post by: Moontayle on July 26, 2010, 01:52:38 pm
So my wife asked me last night to show her Dwarf Fortress.+1
After checking her for fever and/or demonic posession, I downloaded Ironhand's graphics set, knowing nothing less would do.
I went to sleep around 11 p.m. after showing her a few basics and pointing her to the complete and utter newby tutorial.
When I woke again at about 4:30 a.m., she was still playing, laughing about how she couldn't get a farm properly irrigated so her dwarves were going to die.
Her callous overlord mentality brought a tear of joy to my eye.
Thanks, Ironhand and WormSlayer. I couldn't have warped her fragile psyche without you.
On the subject of the tileset, I'm partial to the Ore icon that comes out of the Phoebus tileset. It serves its function well of looking like a rock while being different enough to tell apart. Don't get too deep into the look of some things, Keep It Simple and all that.
Post by: Lengry on July 26, 2010, 02:49:43 pm
It's like they are native size first launch, but as soon as yout touch window, it size down.
Can't find any setting in init for this. (Blackspace is on)
Post by: Thundrim on July 26, 2010, 02:53:01 pm
Why do game keep resizing tiles down?
It's like they are native size first launch, but as soon as yout touch window, it size down.
Can't find any setting in init for this. (Blackspace is on)
Err, can't you zoom in with the middle mouse button?
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Post by: Thundrim on July 26, 2010, 02:55:55 pm
I mean mouse wheel. :p
Darn shortcut made new post sorry.
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Post by: Lengry on July 26, 2010, 03:07:16 pm
It shows only ~16*16 or smaller instead of 18*18.
But right after the launch, before you touch the window, it's 18*18. (It's just don't fit the screen so I have to move it).
Post by: Thundrim on July 26, 2010, 03:09:56 pm
It don't let me zoom in, only zoom out.
It shows only ~16*16 or smaller instead of 18*18.
But right after the launch, before you touch the window, it's 18*18. (It's just don't fit the screen so I have to move it).
Odd, I can zoom in here by moving the wheel towards me. But sometimes it's not immediately responsive? I'm pretty sure the zoom goes both ways though. Try to click on the screen and move the wheel towards you a few times????
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Post by: Ironhand on July 26, 2010, 03:18:10 pm
So if you don't have a horizontal monitor resolution of 1440 or higher,
you won't be able to see the tiles in full resolution.
Sorry...
Post by: WormSlayer on July 26, 2010, 03:18:32 pm
Obsidian?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: soul4hdwn on July 26, 2010, 03:23:58 pm
It don't let me zoom in, only zoom out.you can stretch the window before trying to do any zooming.
It shows only ~16*16 or smaller instead of 18*18.
But right after the launch, before you touch the window, it's 18*18. (It's just don't fit the screen so I have to move it).
Right now, I'd like to see Trolls get a make-over but I have caves full of them and every Gobbo attack comes with a bonus pack of the buggers :Deasier to see this time ^^
Obsidian?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Thundrim on July 26, 2010, 03:48:29 pm
The Obsidian looks like it belongs there. That's a pretty fair criteria to hang on to, judging by what can be seen so far. Environmental belonging, that goes hand in hand with art composition coherency. But all of this is instinctive probably, so why put words to it... ;)
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Post by: Harmonica on July 26, 2010, 05:38:59 pm
You can zoom in, but the horizontal width of your screen can never be below 80 tiles.
So if you don't have a horizontal monitor resolution of 1440 or higher,
you won't be able to see the tiles in full resolution.
Sorry...
Yeah, my monitors all stop short of 1440 unfortunately. I wonder if a potential solution would be to run in multi-monitor mode (extend onto second monitor) and let the DF window run off the edge?
I rarely use that mode so I don't know if that would make DF detect a 1440+ resolution.
Running with squished tiles (or resizing the set down to 16x16 is not an option, though. Pixel art doesn't translate well to being smooshed :( )
Post by: Ironhand on July 26, 2010, 06:08:29 pm
but you could stretch a window across them.
And yeah, that's what obsidian looks like now.
Post by: ChickenLips on July 26, 2010, 06:55:05 pm
(I'm working on converting large numbers of plants into the graphics scheme, and herb bushes and such are resistant to easy and quick in-game testing because of the way they work. Any tips would be great.)
Post by: Robsoie on July 26, 2010, 07:05:26 pm
Oh the joy of zooming in on Ironhand&WormSlayer graphic set in a small DF windowed mode, can only dream about it for now.
Post by: Poot on July 26, 2010, 07:13:45 pm
Post by: Robsoie on July 26, 2010, 07:26:33 pm
Post by: Patchy on July 26, 2010, 07:33:59 pm
Hey Ironhand, 1,024 pardons if this has been asked and answered already, but is there a fairly convenient way to check out how a tile will look in-game with a certain color scheme without having to try to check it out in-game? Like, color-replace this or that in GIMP, or do this or that with the alpha...?
(I'm working on converting large numbers of plants into the graphics scheme, and herb bushes and such are resistant to easy and quick in-game testing because of the way they work. Any tips would be great.)
Actually, yes there is.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=54669.0
Quite a handy lil program, I actually recoloured a large number of the stones in phoebus graphics set. And the raw tile selector helped immensely.
Post by: Ironhand on July 26, 2010, 08:03:44 pm
And using old raws shouldn't change too much,
at least for a day or two until I get a new version out.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 26, 2010, 08:14:25 pm
Tile selector is awesome :D
Totally unrelated lulz: My Legendary Strand Extractor took a break from years of processing raw Adamantine to produce this:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ChickenLips on July 26, 2010, 08:45:25 pm
Oh, wow, that utility by hermano -- awesome. I was looking at converting Seth's Fauna and Flora with some serious dread because of this tiling and coloring by-hand thing. Very, very nice. Thanks for pointing that out. Hours saved.
EDIT: In the realm of ridiculously adamantine artifacts, my dorves' record was a 768k adamantine cabinet. I guess it's good to store those 5k prepared meal stacks in? Either that, or some tasteless noble's "new" goblin-blood-spattered cave spider silk loincloth.
Post by: Thundrim on July 26, 2010, 09:03:10 pm
I'm still not feeling the sack of clothes or the refuse, though.
Yes, I agree. With heavy heart.
The refuse pile conjure up imagery that alternates between a Klingon Bird-of-Prey, and an ordinary plucked bird ready for further preparation. Most other things here settle in after a while, but this one has a genuine power over the imagination. A pile of bones, or anything solid would do a better job when it comes to recognition. At the cost of plausibility or realism in some cases. I'm thinking recognition trumps realism when doubt enters the picture. It is one of those overarching design rules that beats you up in the morning, and knocks you out in the evening. On the other hand it's not like I don't know what it is. There is recognition there. But maybe not for the right reasons. And that is the well.. not a problem, more a fixation issue that might be individual for all I know.
At this point the old skull did a better job IMHO.
Totally unrelated lulz: My Legendary Strand Extractor took a break from years of processing raw Adamantine to produce this:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
A genuine Dragon Magnet. Congratulations. :p
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Post by: Harmonica on July 26, 2010, 09:31:21 pm
When DF loads it obviously grabs some value (thought it was X,Y from the cursor, but seems not), and spawns the game window based on that. You can keep loading it until it spawns right in the top left on your screen. I had thought that I had figured out how to get it to load in the top left, but seems I was mistaken... if anyone does work out a proper way, post! [edit: for me, if I shove the 'run fullscreen?' dialog into the top left so just the NO button is showing, then hit that, the DF window 0,0 is right up in the top left..]
Just don't touch the window frame to move it or resize it or anything because for some reason this cues DF into scaling the graphics to fit the program window.
Obviously the far right of the game screen is cut off, but as long as you have a decent working memory of the game controls and a TAB key to shift the menu around, that shouldn't be a problem..
edit: lots of typos.
Post by: Solace on July 26, 2010, 09:36:14 pm
Post by: Harmonica on July 26, 2010, 09:37:38 pm
However, the game actually loads with 18X18 and stays like that if you don't mess with the window.
Post by: Zulithe on July 26, 2010, 11:17:25 pm
Post by: Deltaway on July 26, 2010, 11:56:10 pm
Post by: Vince on July 27, 2010, 02:56:52 am
Obsidian?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Very nice!
Maybe zoom the tile a little bit, so that it isn't so grainy?
Post by: Harmonica on July 27, 2010, 03:19:51 am
'Unseen' rock is fine, because it takes the full opacity tagged tile. And I love the gold glowing effect which shows when a tile becomes the active job.
Is there any way to just make known rock take a high opacity brown overlay?
(http://i31.tinypic.com/j7erdw.png)
Post by: MiniMacker on July 27, 2010, 03:32:34 am
Not sure if you're aware of this guys, but some tiles are a little too obscured when tagged for digging. Below shows some schist rock which is almost entirely black and thus blends with the floor tiles. At a glance it's hard to tell what's what (you can also see in the pic some gems which are simply black and don't stand out as being tagged at all).
'Unseen' rock is fine, because it takes the full opacity tagged tile. And I love the gold glowing effect which shows when a tile becomes the active job.
Is there any way to just make known rock take a high opacity brown overlay?
I too noticed that. It can get confusing to have near invisible dig designations if you're in a hurry.
After a while I "learned to live with it" but, yeah. I'd like an alternative.
Post by: Harmonica on July 27, 2010, 03:46:32 am
I see that all dig tiles are affected. When you tag them, large portions of them go black (check out bituminous coal for example, it's practically invisible). Not sure that's working as intended?
edit: Spent far too long trying to work out how DF is handling .png transparencies and the foregrounds and backgrounds; with bitmaps it was as simple as the foreground colour getting replaced with black. All I can conclude is that when a stone layer gets tagged, anything non transparent or background is going to go black. Which for a lot of the tiles is everything.
Sand goes entirely brown for the opposite reason (but at least you can see it!).
I'm sure you guys know what it's doing anyway...
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 06:05:38 am
When I made all those stone tiles, I hadn't really figured out the transparency thing yet.
As a result, those tiles are all just white-on-black, with a very few semi-transparent pixels.
If I redraw them or edit them to include more transparent pixels, that will look way better.
Maybe I'll take a look at that today, when I get tired of drawing wolves and war elephants.
Thanks for the love, guys. Hopefully I'll have a 0.31.12 version for you all by this evening.
Post by: Vince on July 27, 2010, 06:12:21 am
If I redraw them or edit them to include more transparent pixels, that will look way better.
Maybe I'll take a look at that today, when I get tired of drawing wolves and war elephants.
*raises his shaking hand fearfully*
If I might bring THIS (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1396828#msg1396828) up again...
It's the only thing I miss from other tilesets.
Post by: Harmonica on July 27, 2010, 06:16:01 am
???
Yeah, I know what's going on there.
Glad someone does, my brain has just about melted. No worries though, this is my first time actually playing the game with the tileset rather than admiring the pictures in the thread, everything else about it is glorious :)
Post by: Vince on July 27, 2010, 06:22:36 am
Hmm, every time you post that I re-read it, stare at it a bit, try to make the picture match up to the words, and every time I draw a complete blank on what you're saying!
???
Sorry, English is not my first language - I'll try to paraphrase it!
a) We have four gem tiles now -the more valuable a gem, the larger it is.
b) With Ironhand's "tile magic" they have their color (rubies=red, emerald=green and so on) while the background remains dark, which looks good.
I want the same for stone and ore tiles.
That means: 4 levels of "value" each and tile magic applied.
I hope that makes it clearer. :)
EDIT: Oh god, i wrote "row" and meant "line" in the original post. I'm so dumb.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 06:33:34 am
But in the real world a dwarf has to know his geology. = P
I dunno. Maybe I'll rework them eventually, if other people complain too.
But I don't think it's a high priority, because I think they look pretty good.
Know, though, that your pleas do not fall on deaf ears.
Anyway, right after I said I was gonna go add more transparency to rock walls,
I had a thought: why not just decrease the transparency of the whole tile by like 20%?
(http://i25.tinypic.com/4tmvif.png)
Not only does it fix the problem with designated tiles,
I can also use it to raise the brightness of tiles that are too dark.
But just enough to make them look like walls, without destroying the look of the tile!
I'm so excited.
Post by: Thundrim on July 27, 2010, 06:35:45 am
Yeah, I know what's going on there.
When I made all those stone tiles, I hadn't really figured out the transparency thing yet.
As a result, those tiles are all just white-on-black, with a very few semi-transparent pixels.
If I redraw them or edit them to include more transparent pixels, that will look way better.
Maybe I'll take a look at that today, when I get tired of drawing wolves and war elephants.
Thanks for the love, guys. Hopefully I'll have a 0.31.12 version for you all by this evening.
A clearly crucial stage for this project. Will not disturb! At least not before dinner. War Elephants! Haha! Sorry I'm excitable before breakfast. :p
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Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 06:42:05 am
By setting the foreground color of sand to, say, yellow,
and the background color to red, I get a lovely golden brown.
Repeat as necessary to mix all the lovely sand you could ever want.
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2nit9g0.png)
Post by: Vince on July 27, 2010, 06:49:50 am
Know, though, that your pleas do not fall on deaf ears.Knowing that brings a grown man to tears.
I dunno. Maybe I'll rework them eventually, if other people complain too.I can't be the only one! :D (I hope...)
Transparency-drop looks nice.
Although I wonder what the upper 3 designated tiles in
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 06:54:33 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 09:35:12 am
If only we could actually armor our war animals in the game...
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 10:12:49 am
Post by: Moontayle on July 27, 2010, 10:27:41 am
Post by: Vince on July 27, 2010, 10:35:28 am
Well, the good news is that Baughn is working on separating text from graphics (Toady approved) so there's a good chance in the next few months you'll get a lot more tiles to work with.
Really? Hurray! :D
Post by: Maldevious on July 27, 2010, 10:45:04 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 10:58:48 am
That is totally exciting!
I'm pumped.
Post by: Acanthus117 on July 27, 2010, 11:02:05 am
THIS IS THE SHIIIT MAAAN
/inagoodway
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 11:22:48 am
Separating text from graphics is a really great step in the right direction! Will have to see how it affects the multiple use problem...
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 11:44:35 am
X
I can't wait to have BINS that look like BINS.
And floodgates that look like FLOODGATES.
AND STAIRS that look like STAIRS!!!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 11:47:44 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 11:55:34 am
Yeah, probably not.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 12:05:34 pm
I know the refuse turkey leg is crap, I just got sidetracked actually playing DF!
Post by: Thundrim on July 27, 2010, 12:06:46 pm
(http://i32.tinypic.com/7bt0.png)
YES!
Back in time for a bit of Elephant oogling. Maybe not oogling, but something in the neighborhood. :p
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Post by: Robsoie on July 27, 2010, 12:26:26 pm
;)
Maybe the wooden door tile that seem to plague every graphic sets will be fixable then.
Now if only the 80 tile minimum limitation could disappear too.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 12:40:10 pm
Post by: Dohon on July 27, 2010, 12:46:07 pm
Well, the good news is that Baughn is working on separating text from graphics (Toady approved) so there's a good chance in the next few months you'll get a lot more tiles to work with.
You happen to have a link to that? I don't want to imply that you are a liar or something, but I'm just curious to see that post. :)
Post by: Vince on July 27, 2010, 01:02:51 pm
Post by: Prastary on July 27, 2010, 01:09:10 pm
Post by: MiniMacker on July 27, 2010, 02:27:07 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 02:28:51 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60554.msg1427645#msg1427645
But yeah I meant to say "Sweet! - I may have to stalk Baughn! :F
Post by: MiniMacker on July 27, 2010, 02:39:53 pm
Not sure, I migrated it over with no apparent problems. The .11 and .12 releases didn't seem to change the .10 raws, so you should be safe to copy everything over...
Which I'm not sure is true. The changelog for .12 mention this :
Other bug fixes/tweaks
(*)adjusted skill rates up a bit on indiv training and demonstrations
(*)made att/skill rate loader treat 0s like NONE instead of the fastest rate
That doesn't change raw values? Confused.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 02:58:44 pm
Post by: Dohon on July 27, 2010, 03:40:55 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60554.msg1427645#msg1427645
Thanks for that!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 04:31:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/QsG91.png)
Post by: ChickenLips on July 27, 2010, 04:41:59 pm
Which I'm not sure is true. The changelog for .12 mention this :
Other bug fixes/tweaks
(*)adjusted skill rates up a bit on indiv training and demonstrations
(*)made att/skill rate loader treat 0s like NONE instead of the fastest rate
That doesn't change raw values? Confused.
Nope! I checked 'em. It's safe.
Yeah, it's not quite true that no raws were changed. Here are the changes (going by filedates and file comparisons):
creature_standard.txt: Kobold MENT_ATT_RATES for linguistics and musicality changed to accommodate the second change you list above.
entity_default.txt: Humans changed to allow human civs to start in forests (added START_BIOME:ANY_FOREST).
7 or 8 other creature raws: A handful of minor corrective changes (eliminating duplicate or extra tags, correction to muskox hair showing up as skin, etc.).
The index file changes, of course, and you may want to copy over other help and support files (I always do for each new version, and usually there are changes), but, other than that, the raws are the same, and it looks serfectly pafe.
EDIT: I like that one much better, WormSlayer. :thumbsup:
Post by: Ironhand on July 27, 2010, 06:56:00 pm
I had gotten all excited because in the wiki, the ☼ has an asterisk beside "rough gems", indicating that that can be changed.
But apparently it cannot. So I have discovered and so I have been informed.
So rough gems will just have to look like ☼, I guess.
If anybody knows this to be incorrect, please tell me. I will be pleased beyond measure.
Anyway, in lieu of that revelation, I'm gonna go ahead and finish up the release tomorrow morning.
So WormSlayer, go ahead and send me anything you want included (like that new refuse-- not bad!)
And I'll try again to make wolves. I've been so far unsuccessful, but I will prevail eventually.
Anyway, 0.46 will be available by noon tomorrow.
It will have war elephants.
Post by: userpay on July 27, 2010, 07:23:12 pm
Post by: Harmonica on July 27, 2010, 08:11:10 pm
What about just a little broken bone and a splat of blood for "generic remains"?
(http://i.imgur.com/QsG91.png)
Pretty damn awesome. No more turkey leg. Woo!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 27, 2010, 08:23:22 pm
Uh, doesn't mayday have a tile for rough gem thats different from that symbol?
Wasnt sure so I installed it but nope:(http://i.imgur.com/2s7El.png)
Post by: Poot on July 27, 2010, 08:42:56 pm
Post by: userpay on July 27, 2010, 09:21:41 pm
Post by: ungulateman on July 27, 2010, 10:07:45 pm
Also, war gorillas squee.
Post by: Thundrim on July 27, 2010, 11:39:09 pm
What about just a little broken bone and a splat of blood for "generic remains"?
(http://i.imgur.com/QsG91.png)
Aye. That satisfy all primary sensibilities, iconographic demands, and it might even be unique to this set, so the "Dwarven committee of harsh and cruel qualification investigations" grabs a drink and run off to another poor victim out there, probably one of those Cheese Engravers. Huzzah!
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Post by: Rebirthocool on July 27, 2010, 11:50:20 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on July 28, 2010, 01:32:33 am
What about just a little broken bone and a splat of blood for "generic remains"?Ah, that's a lot better! It looks quite good now.
Post by: Bloogonis on July 28, 2010, 02:30:45 am
tossed this together, not your pallet or skill but I think it looks kind of like a ball of mangled flesh
with crappy spatter
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d188/Bloogonis/Dwarf%20Fort/chunk.png)
without
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d188/Bloogonis/Dwarf%20Fort/chunk2.png)
meh it sucks, but maybe it gives you ideas
Post by: oolon1 on July 28, 2010, 02:36:10 am
Like I said, I refuse to use any other tileset for the time being. I'll be waiting patiently for the update.
There's no need to wait for Ironhand 0.46 to play 0.31.12, if that's what you're referring to. You can apply the Ironhand 0.45 "upgrade pack" to the 0.31.12 folder and it works as intended. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617)
Post by: Thundrim on July 28, 2010, 03:15:29 am
My only gripe about it is that most things represented by it have no bones in them, remains generaly boneless, chinks no bones, shell well not an internal bone, teeth and fingers arn't femurs... I dont know what would remedy this the best, ive been imagining something that looks like a tumor, something fleshy that would best fit the tile.
tossed this together, not your pallet or skill but I think it looks kind of like a ball of mangled flesh
with crappy spatter
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d188/Bloogonis/Dwarf%20Fort/chunk.png)
without
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d188/Bloogonis/Dwarf%20Fort/chunk2.png)
meh it sucks, but maybe it gives you ideas
The problem is that you won't have any idea what you're looking at operating under this resolution, when attempting to show more organic or finer pieces of refuse in various stages of solidness. Thus realism isn't always possible. The representation on the screen will have to create a general idea of the nature of this tile.
The need for heavy abstraction is paramount. Thus you would need defined contours in conjunction with familiar shapes. The trick is to find suitable objects of this nature, or at the very least put them in a pattern that create familiarity somehow.
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Post by: Baughn on July 28, 2010, 06:59:28 am
I'm only separating text from tiles. Which is to say that, yes, X is still ambiguous.
But hey, at least Lord Xarfereous's name no longer clashes!
Post by: Ironhand on July 28, 2010, 07:12:10 am
Anyway, here's another little something I threw together for 0.46:
(http://i32.tinypic.com/30caule.png)
Dead dwarves look dead now. Closed eyes, pool of blood.
Post by: Ironhand on July 28, 2010, 08:16:32 am
Merged with DF 0.31.12!
Partial transparency for rough stone walls, which
- increases visibility of walls in comparison to floors
- allows me a vastly improved multitude of colors to play with, and
- makes designated wall tiles distinguishable from floors and walls.
New tiles!
Kilns/furnaces
Ore (yeah)
Webs
Tables
Sacks
Splints
Vials
...
oh, also:
WAR ELEPHANTS.
And war gorillas.
Both with armor.
Woop~
Enjoy it!
Post by: Ironhand on July 28, 2010, 08:26:49 am
It will still work just like it's supposed to, but you won't see any extra stuff in the folder. Just data, raws, and the exe.
I think it looks slick.
Post by: Thundrim on July 28, 2010, 09:01:07 am
*Runs off with his Elephant*
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 28, 2010, 09:23:35 am
My only gripe about it is that most things represented by it have no bones in them, remains generaly boneless, chinks no bones, shell well not an internal bone, teeth and fingers arn't femurs... I dont know what would remedy this the best, ive been imagining something that looks like a tumor, something fleshy that would best fit the tile.
I have tried some fleshy lumps but they kind of look like rocks or something, especially when the game colours the tile weirdly. I've decided it's not possible to make a single tile that looks like a human skull and a spider leg, and a cow hoof, etc. And gone for the abstracted icon kind of approach.
Also blood and broken bones everywhere kind of looks cool after a fight :D
Post by: Robsoie on July 28, 2010, 09:40:58 am
For those that have problems with the Ironhand font in small zoomed in windows, like i do, here is the 0.46 tileset with the font replaced by Teeto/Maus slightly edited one.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zoal on July 28, 2010, 11:53:05 am
I think you can improve the water tile, it's not your best. It has an obvious "tiling" effect; I get the impression of repeating squares. I can see the edges. And it doesn't really look like water. Looks more like the surface of a sponge.
One problem is the frequency wave is too high. It needs a lower frequency, a sweeping flow frequency, and the frequency should be rotated or diagonal in some way. I think you achieved a good frequency for example on the "sand" tile. The frequency is like a phase. You don't want it repeating at the rate of the tile. High frequency is good -- but there should be high and low frequencies simultaneously, like real water! Imagine the ocean, which has waves at many different scales happening all at once.
You may have used Photoshop's ability to display the tile with copies of itself on each side. But this alone won't work -- you have to see it tiled unlimitedly in all directions, not just once, in order to be able to draw a good frequency which defies the square. The frequency should exist across as many squares as possible simultaneously. That creates the illusion of 'no tile'.
I've seen you nail this before multiple times on other sprites, I know you're good at it.
Post by: flatlander on July 28, 2010, 01:12:08 pm
Post by: BogusFlow on July 28, 2010, 04:52:00 pm
Post by: Dearnen on July 28, 2010, 04:57:56 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 28, 2010, 05:36:35 pm
Farms are red, actually. In my old scheme, I was using a much browner color for red,
which looked really good on farms but made magma and blood look kinda weird.
Post by: BogusFlow on July 28, 2010, 05:59:00 pm
Farms are red, actually.
Gotcha, thanks for the response!
Post by: Ounce on July 28, 2010, 08:34:54 pm
I've got a new fortress design in mind, and now I'm certain I have to embark somewhere with elephants.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 28, 2010, 10:58:32 pm
Here is how I have roughly grouped all the trees together, with the idea being each group of similar looking trees gets at least one tile:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Here is my first attempt at replacing the current trees:
(http://i.imgur.com/cgjbI.png)
Post by: Cheddarius on July 28, 2010, 11:28:17 pm
Post by: Harmonica on July 28, 2010, 11:35:04 pm
Loving the latest release though - seeing the dig designations makes things so much easier.
Personally I've made a few alterations.. I've added iconographic style hashed lines and dots to the 3 dig-animation tiles, since I don't really dig (hur) the way that when they bash a rock, it suddenly transforms into a different rock-style and fades out (I've left that pattern in the background underneath the lines and dots and it looks really awesome though).
In game:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In case anyone wants, here it is:
(http://i30.tinypic.com/2en56o9.png)
Also, I increased the contrast to all the rock types. Not sure if that will screw the transparency up yet, haven't tested it. They looked a bit light to my eyes (trade off for visible designations tiles I guess - the old darker tiles looked more 'rocky' and almost perfect).
Also, replaced the stockpile tile. Your tile makes my eyes hurt! This is one I created for a personal set I was using previously. I thought about what the dwarves would use to lay down a stockpile, surely they would not go to the effort of paving an area in neat tiles? So.. they use planks of wood!
Edited this one up for 18X18.. and it tiles quite nicely, I think! Here it is in case anyone wants:
stockpile: (http://i31.tinypic.com/vy79g3.png)
tiled a lot: (http://i32.tinypic.com/f3ym44.png)
in game:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Not as pretty as your nice anti-aliased floor tiles but best I could do :) You can see how marble (white rock) looks with the replaced dig tile (it shares the third one), and also I added a bevel to the 'solid colour' tile, something Mayday does on his set because it makes the Trade Depot look f'awesome :)
Anyway sorry for mangling your nice pixel art, just some ideas I thought I'd share in case any appeal!
Post by: Vince on July 29, 2010, 12:07:52 am
Er, are those all yours, or is it the left was before and the right was your replacement, or something?They are all his; left: spring/summer/autumn, right: winter
That is a screenshot of the tile replacer program, in which you can choose a tile and color for everything in your raws :)
Post by: Cheddarius on July 29, 2010, 12:21:03 am
Post by: Thundrim on July 29, 2010, 03:05:51 am
Here is my first attempt at replacing the current trees:
Can't really comment yet, since the trees have to be judged up against the colour schemes in general, and the ebb and flow of textures surrounding them. The summer branch of that selection looks a wee bit brighter than expected ( terrible sense of humor alert ), but when placed in the game that might prove to be nothing but intermediate trickery of the mind, and/or a profound lack of overwatch capabilities at this very point in time. ( There is no recognition issues involved, so the only logical solution would be to set the bar higher and demand environmental coherency on a grander scale. If they blend in right away, then it's time to be more creative in order to create an excessive workload. We're helpful that way. )
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Post by: Vince on July 29, 2010, 08:35:04 am
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7906/fontsl.png)
"a" and "o" in relation to "s" for example.
Post by: Ironhand on July 29, 2010, 09:03:50 am
Also, all the same characters are used for both "modes", so it shouldn't matter which one you're looking at.
WormSlayer: those trees are GORGEOUS. I love them.
Harmonica: I actually really like some of that stuff you're doing there, too! Thanks!
Post by: WormSlayer on July 29, 2010, 11:04:45 am
(http://i.imgur.com/wBRVD.png)
The dead trees look less like trees to me than they did last night :F
But the one species of living tree in the shot looks pretty sweet?
Post by: Alcoholic on July 29, 2010, 11:22:18 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 29, 2010, 12:10:34 pm
Very nice.
As for the dead ones,
don't be afraid to exaggerate the spread of those branches.
It doesn't need to fit inside the green tree. I think it'll look better
if it is actually too spread out. Keep doing what you're doing, though.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 29, 2010, 12:55:40 pm
Post by: wuxia on July 29, 2010, 01:24:34 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 29, 2010, 01:26:37 pm
We made it just for you.
:D
Post by: Thundrim on July 29, 2010, 02:45:08 pm
Here is an in-game shot:
The dead trees look less like trees to me than they did last night :F
But the one species of living tree in the shot looks pretty sweet?
A better view from the perspective of an Eagle carrying a Dwarf away to a gruesome fate tend to work miracles. Easier now to see how you emulated sunlight on top of the trees to make them a bit brighter up there for example. ( And that I completely forgot about the plant life. *COUGH*.) Well done. Indeed a bummer that dead tree, but it could be worse, it's only a bit of glue and some branches to extend. Hopefully the local wilderlife won't object, not that anything that moves can be trusted. Eat them first, and check how they interact with you after. Then you will have more ammo at any rate. ;)
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 29, 2010, 08:00:19 pm
Broadleaved 1 - Broadleaved 2 - Broadleaved 3 - Conifer - Willow - Palm - Sapling - Dead 1 - Dead 2 - Dead 3
(http://i.imgur.com/uBtbP.png)
It seems saplings have no background colour...
Post by: Ironhand on July 29, 2010, 08:33:22 pm
Five stars for everything but the willow.
The willow's a little fluffy on top for me.
Post by: Cheddarius on July 29, 2010, 09:04:00 pm
Post by: Zoal on July 29, 2010, 10:44:33 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 29, 2010, 11:04:46 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/8ZquH.png)
Featherwood - Highwood - Glumprong - Bloodthorn
Post by: Cheddarius on July 29, 2010, 11:06:03 pm
Post by: Harmonica on July 29, 2010, 11:08:13 pm
Can you use the transparency effect to create a darker trunk on the saplings?
Post by: xDarkz on July 29, 2010, 11:27:13 pm
I'm lovin' it!
You mentioned the slight tweak in the color scheme, can this be associated with the farming fields/piles of mud being crimson or is that some sort of error on my end?
Thank you for all the hard work.
Keep it up! :D
Post by: breadbocks on July 30, 2010, 01:10:41 am
Post by: Deon on July 30, 2010, 01:30:47 am
Post by: Poot on July 30, 2010, 03:15:27 am
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 08:40:35 am
Yeah, the red farms are a product of the new color scheme.
I might bump it a hair back in the direction of brown for the next release.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 30, 2010, 11:20:40 am
Here are some amusing numbers:
Broadleaf 2
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Pixels: 384
Source Polygons: 121,514
Poly's per Pixel: 312.5
Anti-Aliasing samples: 320,000 (1024 per pixel)
Post by: oolon1 on July 30, 2010, 11:38:44 am
I'm definitely going to tweak the sapling, for some reason I thought it could have a separate trunk colour but thats not the case. Will also redo willow and broadleaf 3.
Here are some amusing numbers:
Broadleaf 2
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Pixels: 384
Source Polygons: 121,514
Poly's per Pixel: 312.5
Anti-Aliasing samples: 320,000 (1024 per pixel)
What program are you using there? I'm assuming you aren't just in Photoshop doing pixel art.
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 01:58:01 pm
Will also redo willow and broadleaf 3.
I think I like 3 better than 1.
2 is awesome.
1 is skinny.
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 02:22:34 pm
(http://i32.tinypic.com/34gvdqs.png)
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 02:30:18 pm
Awooºººooo...
(http://i32.tinypic.com/34gvdqs.png)
Now you just need two more wolves and a moon...
Post by: Cheddarius on July 30, 2010, 02:31:18 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 02:38:18 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 02:55:32 pm
Can you specify a bit?
Here they are as ice wolves:
(http://i29.tinypic.com/qo95oh.png)
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 02:57:26 pm
How is his head odd?
Can you specify a bit?
Here they are as ice wolves:
(http://i29.tinypic.com/qo95oh.png)
Whip up a War Wolf and throw in a moon, and we got us a t-shirt!
Post by: Cheddarius on July 30, 2010, 03:03:00 pm
How is his head odd?It looks like a llama's head, if that makes any sense... sort of... snout-like?
Can you specify a bit?
EDIT: Yeah, like Deon said. I would say that the top part of the jaw is too thick relative to the bottom part, if I had to pick a specific thing that made it look odd.
Post by: Deon on July 30, 2010, 03:03:59 pm
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 03:04:46 pm
How is his head odd?It looks like a llama's head, if that makes any sense... sort of... snout-like? I'll try to explain it with a picture, it's hard to put into words.
Can you specify a bit?
The wolves are the little doggies in the main post, not the big, orange-yellow abomination on the left side of the screen... ;)
Post by: Cheddarius on July 30, 2010, 03:06:00 pm
The wolves are the little doggies in the main post, not the big, orange-yellow abomination on the left side of the screen... ;)Yes, I understand that.
Or was that a joke?
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 03:06:25 pm
The head is horse-like, not dog-like. The pose is great.
Methinks IH put "beards" on the wolves, and it looks like the musculature of an equine jaw rather than the furry fringe sometimes associated with wild canines...
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 03:07:13 pm
The wolves are the little doggies in the main post, not the big, orange-yellow abomination on the left side of the screen... ;)Yes, I understand that.
Or was that a joke?
'Twas a joke. No offense meant (to you, or IH).
Post by: Deon on July 30, 2010, 03:09:51 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 03:11:54 pm
Behold, the fearsome mandrill! (http://i32.tinypic.com/2w7r1ih.png)
I will fiddle with the wolves' heads later.
Post by: gtmattz on July 30, 2010, 03:13:42 pm
How is his head odd?
Can you specify a bit?
Here they are as ice wolves:
(http://i29.tinypic.com/qo95oh.png)
Whip up a War Wolf and throw in a moon, and we got us a t-shirt!
This thread is now about wolfshirts...
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 03:16:26 pm
War mandrills!
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 03:18:32 pm
What about me? Did you mean offense to me?
No, but I'll accept it as collateral damage... ;)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 30, 2010, 03:18:56 pm
LOL I must have war madrills!
Wolf feedback :)
Was expecting them to look more like your dogs but with wolf colour and markings - Compared to your other animals, the wolf pup looks more like the foal than the puppy?
Again, compared to your other animals, the sharp line separating the head/shoulder looks a bit out of place.
The shape of the adult wolf's head also does seem a bit off - I know all too well how hard it is to hint at shape with such few pixels! Maybe use the googles and look at a ton of wolf pictures to study the shape of the head and ears?
Also if he is howling, he needs to be lifting his head up and arching his back a bit more.
Hopefully that doesnt sound like I hate it, just trying to be constructively critical :)
What program are you using there?
I model and render things in 3dsmax, then use photoshop to retouch the odd pixel and do the layer separation stuff.
Edit: LOL WTF? - 15 replies while I was typing this :D
Edit2: Awww: Howling wolf pup :D (http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/38/3824/FS5YF00Z.jpg)
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 03:19:18 pm
How is his head odd?
Can you specify a bit?
Here they are as ice wolves:
(http://i29.tinypic.com/qo95oh.png)
Whip up a War Wolf and throw in a moon, and we got us a t-shirt!
This thread is now about wolfshirts...
At least it hasn't gotten to llamashirts. Yet...
Post by: Deon on July 30, 2010, 03:30:17 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 30, 2010, 03:37:12 pm
Post by: Thundrim on July 30, 2010, 03:38:09 pm
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Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 30, 2010, 03:39:05 pm
Nice animals! Zoomed in and it does indeed look like the confusion is caused by the uh.. Wolf-Beard. Is there a more proper word for hair growth on the face of a Wolf at any rate. It's more like sideburns. :-p
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The appropriate term (on several levels) is muttonchop. :)
Post by: Thundrim on July 30, 2010, 04:26:34 pm
Are these better? (http://i31.tinypic.com/20l02vd.png)
The first one had the head better aligned with the pose somehow. The head don't seem to cooperate with the body mainly because of the neck area on this one, as far as I can tell. Had to look at both versions, and at some pictures of Wolves first. the jaw is also better separated in the initial version.
The neck shape might not be wrong per se it is how the shadowing applies. The yeah.. muttonchops do go up to the top of the neck, but the shadowing obscure it a bit. The Wolf should be quite ready as it stands, this *is* nitpicking.
(The silly site i found had pictures of humans, like it's hard to spot them. Hah! )
P.S.
Thanks Ratbert_CP, not a word easily looked up, so genuine insight is appreciated over the pesky interweb sometimes. ;)
P.P.S.
Love the Mandrill!!!
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Post by: ChickenLips on July 30, 2010, 04:38:28 pm
- Picked flower bunch (the stone works okay, and I very much like how you can use the mixed tones to produce better color variation, but it would be very nice to have something bunched with stems or something)
- The original grain graphic (unimaginative, I know, but I really liked it, and it would provide for some nice variation) -- hopefully with the foreground color on the top fruit/bud/flower elements, not on the stem
- Fruit trees, with foreground color determining color of fruit lobes
- A plant graphic inbetween bush and grain/grass-type tile -- something that would go well for aloes/agaves and the like with one color green and the other black, but more filled out for things like ferns with both colors green -- 161 is what I'm using for these sorts of things right now, but something a bit taller, and a bit bushier when filled out with both colors
- Right now, the sapling doesn't have any additional effects assigned to the background color -- perhaps more leaves on the side, to make for a sort of more treeish bush? (I'm thinking, say, tea plant.) Either that, or a separate one like this so that confusion between plants and tree saplings can be avoided (though this part of this particular suggestion I'd place fairly lower in priority).
- A tile that could be used for a cluster of berries or nuts.
- A vine-type plant.
- Possibly something akin to bamboo/hemp-type plants (unless I missed something that's good for it?)
- Possibly a different fruit tile to use with things like prickly pears instead of the star/web icon
- A second, smaller cactus (I'm using the mechanisms icon for now, but it'd be preferable, assuming the space for relatively low-priority things like this, to have one that goes along with the more side-perspective style of other plants).
- Either on the existing cactus, or on the suggested one above, possibly make it to allow for little nubs that could be either flowers or fruits if colored, or a standard green cactus if not.
- A specific underwater plant tile (for kelp, etc.) would be great aesthetically, but, functionally, who's going to be harvesting this stuff anyway? Aside from OC megaprojects to temporarily drain oceans for seaweed harvesting ::)
That is all, for now. (Is that it? How about asking for a foot massage, too, Mr. Demanding ChickenLips??)
Post by: WormSlayer on July 30, 2010, 06:05:19 pm
Trees:
(http://i.imgur.com/RQqh4.png)
Broadleaf 1, 2, 3 - Conifer - Willow - Cacti - Spore Tree using Willow - Dead 1 & 2 - Bloodthorn - Featherwood - Highwood - Glumprong
They actually look a bit different in-game... Maybe RTS isnt using Ironhand's palette or something?
(http://i.imgur.com/JDCqx.png)
Wolves:
Definitely better - But the pose doesnt really say howling wolf to me. *Cliché howling wolf silhouette* (http://i.imgur.com/yHJnS.jpg)
Post by: Cheddarius on July 30, 2010, 06:43:49 pm
Are these better? (http://i31.tinypic.com/20l02vd.png)Yes, very much so! I like the wolf pup especially, it's very cute.
Post by: Solace on July 30, 2010, 08:39:17 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 30, 2010, 09:24:50 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/jFbMs.png)
For now, it's going to replace the ↔ character unless that one is actually used somewhere?
(Also made the special tree a bit thinner.)
Post by: Thundrim on July 30, 2010, 10:01:59 pm
I have soo many rope vines on my current map I had to make a vine-like tile:
For now, it's going to replace the ↔ character unless that one is actually used somewhere?
(Also made the special tree a bit thinner.)
Like the details on the trees. Starting to worry about the standard that's being set here. Commercial games back in the days when pixels ruled the Digital Earth would have problems keeping up. But it's good to be excited over small things again, it truly is. Feeling like I'm 18 again, well apart from the decades that passed since then.
Wiki has little to say about tile 29 on row 02, a double arrow. So maybe it's available by the merit of not having a listed use. Toad-knows.
*It's actually listed with some others at the very bottom as perfect for changing tiles as they have no use. :-p
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Post by: ChickenLips on July 30, 2010, 10:09:23 pm
Wolves and pups, I like too.
Impressions on the other trees: I have to pretty much agree -- great work! Likewise, my least favorite is the willow -- the shape throws me off (particularly the uper-left portion of it), but it may be just that I'm used to the old one. And for the special tree set, they look really good for the most part, but I get one tiny hang-up with them -- when zoomed out they have this sort of fishgill-ish or hairdo-ish look to them. I don't know if it hits anyone else's eyes like it hits mine, but it seems to me like the lines between the boughs are very bold --breaking then up a bit would go a long way toward eliminating that effect. Again, though, could just be me, and I could very well live with it. One way or another, very, very good-looking trees.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 30, 2010, 11:32:41 pm
Edit: Like this :D
(http://i.imgur.com/l8JpU.png)
Plain - Leafy - Fruiting
The branches of the special trees are somewhat crappy because I've tried to work bloodthorn into the same tile. It is probably better off just using a normal dead tree tile for now and I'll pretty up the special tree.
Post by: Zulithe on July 31, 2010, 01:25:32 am
Post by: Harmonica on July 31, 2010, 01:32:32 am
Let's face it, the majority of the game is spent staring at rocks and stuff made from rocks :)
Post by: xDarkz on July 31, 2010, 03:17:26 am
Post by: ChickenLips on July 31, 2010, 05:56:58 am
I hadn't thought of it that way, but, yeah, it is a bit nostalgic.
Edit: Like this :D
(http://i.imgur.com/l8JpU.png)
Plain - Leafy - Fruiting
Awesome. That's exactly what I was thinking would be perfect, but didn't know how to ask it in an intelligent way. :D
Post by: Thundrim on July 31, 2010, 06:22:13 am
Indeed, I think how many of us out here are late 30-somethings and early 40-somethings would be shocking to you spring chickens. :P
Was more shocking to hear it surprises some that people at that age can keep doing stuff. Like you suddenly turn into a fossil when approaching the middle age or something. But enough digression, need to burn some.. uh... appreciate the old style vegetation while it lasts. Could end up with bad thoughts... appreciating the above stuff. Thoughts easily neutralized or better, with the smell of nice hot Forges, fueled by uh... charcoal that just happened to be at hand! ;)
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Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 08:55:48 am
We are also thinking of more types of vermin and giving the world map some love. If you guys have any suggestions on things that badly need new tiles do throw your ideas in the ring! :)
Post by: Zoal on July 31, 2010, 09:07:52 am
Trees:
(http://i.imgur.com/RQqh4.png)
Broadleaf 1, 2, 3 - Conifer - Willow - Cacti - Spore Tree using Willow - Dead 1 & 2 - Bloodthorn - Featherwood - Highwood - Glumprong
These are good, except that the Conifer is too flat. Looks like paper. Needs some shading.
Be careful with the "blended edges" you've used there, because it just gives the impression of blurriness.
If the edge outline color is a sort of halfway point between the shade of the object in the foreground, and the shade of the tile background, it creates blurryness. The edges must be accented in a contrasting color rather than a blending color. Except for the cases where such a blending color is explicitly needed (antialiasing a thin line, etc), but that Conifer isn't such a case because the antialiasing doesn't add detail.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 09:13:29 am
By messing around with the colours the vine tile may work for seaweed and stuff?
(http://i.imgur.com/5sniT.png)
Post by: Robsoie on July 31, 2010, 11:38:16 am
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 11:56:13 am
Post by: Robsoie on July 31, 2010, 12:37:47 pm
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Making all these tiny sprites has been quite nostalgic for me too. First game I modded was in about 1986 - Repton on the BBC Micro
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Indeed, I think how many of us out here are late 30-somethings and early 40-somethings would be shocking to you spring chickensGreat to see there are many fellow middle aged guys that are as addicted to Dwarf Fortress and Bay12 as i am ;)
Post by: Ratbert_CP on July 31, 2010, 12:50:02 pm
QuoteIndeed, I think how many of us out here are late 30-somethings and early 40-somethings would be shocking to you spring chickensGreat to see there are many fellow middle aged guys that are as addicted to Dwarf Fortress and Bay12 as i am ;)
Let's see... My first computer game was "Hunt The Wumpus" using a thermal teletype interface. The first personal computer game I played was "Hammurabi" on the TRS-80. My own first personal computer was an Apple ][+, playing "Colossal Caverns" and "Wizardry". Some favorites were "Wasteland" and "Hidden Candle". Lost many undergrad nights to "Moria" and "Star Control"...
I'm old.
Post by: Ironhand on July 31, 2010, 01:29:12 pm
When I came into the world, there were already three Final Fantasies.
Anyway, check this out:... it's a gazelle! (http://i29.tinypic.com/24xhy0g.png)
Post by: Robsoie on July 31, 2010, 01:35:07 pm
Post by: Moontayle on July 31, 2010, 01:38:11 pm
Yeah, I don't think I can really relate to all this old people talk. = Pvery gazelly
When I came into the world, there were already three Final Fantasies.
Anyway, check this out:... it's a gazelle! (http://i29.tinypic.com/24xhy0g.png)
Post by: Dearnen on July 31, 2010, 01:40:12 pm
(http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/2954d5771b5127f71a252290bc6ff2596g.jpg)
Post by: Ironhand on July 31, 2010, 01:42:24 pm
Yeah, that's definitely not a problem on our end.
We don't get to specify what tiles are used for doors.
It's kinda trippy, though. I like it.
Post by: Ironhand on July 31, 2010, 01:47:53 pm
for all these critters too, I just haven't been posting them:
(http://i25.tinypic.com/bjhats.png)
They're generally less exciting.
Post by: ChickenLips on July 31, 2010, 02:13:05 pm
[ . . . ] By messing around with the colours the vine tile may work for seaweed and stuff?
(http://i.imgur.com/5sniT.png)
That can most certainly work for the purpose.
And the gazelle and skeletal creatures look great as well.
Oh! Another thought for new plant tiles if you're up for more: it might be nice to have an alternate mushroom tile -- perhaps a clump of three smaller ones or something.
Post by: Ironhand on July 31, 2010, 02:23:41 pm
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2443xh5.png)
They kinda need shoulders.
Especially the dromedary.
He'll get fixed up a bit for the release.
Post by: Cheddarius on July 31, 2010, 02:28:23 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 03:11:41 pm
Camels are sweet! I also really like the zombie and skeletal animals :)
Zombie Whales (http://dfstories.com/zombie-whales) next? :P
Removed the weird branches from special trees and switched Bloodthorn to a dead tree tile. Also tried to make the conifer more shaded.
(http://i.imgur.com/AnE5C.png)
I may remake it, but in theory this tile is pretty useful:
(http://i.imgur.com/bshXB.png)
Prickleberries - Strawberries - Fisherberries - Sunberries - Rope Reed + Whip Vine
Those previews are not so accurate, not only are they not using Ironhand's palette but RTS doesnt realise tiles can have bright background colours and messes everything up every time I load it... But in-game I found quite a sweet little patch of berries :D
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Hardy souls may wish to test-drive these changes:
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Post by: Still Standing on July 31, 2010, 03:36:13 pm
Post by: s20dan on July 31, 2010, 03:43:57 pm
Btw, orthoclase floors (normally bright yellow) are very dark brown in the current release.
Post by: Harmonica on July 31, 2010, 04:04:55 pm
Ironhand: those gazelles are crazy good. And the rest.
Post by: Quadricwan on July 31, 2010, 04:54:21 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 05:21:28 pm
Acacia tree: (http://i.imgur.com/lox76.png) (Desert Biomes)
Post by: Dearnen on July 31, 2010, 05:29:20 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on July 31, 2010, 05:31:12 pm
Post by: ChickenLips on July 31, 2010, 05:33:02 pm
Hey, I really like that acacia! And the special trees -- they look much better to me.
@IronHand:
I can't remember what the original camels look like off the top of my head, but I do like these little guys.
Post by: Zulithe on July 31, 2010, 05:48:06 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 05:56:17 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/HsLGF.png)
3 Broadleaves - Confier - Willow - Cacti - Acacia - Kapok - 2 Dead - Fungiwood - Spore Tree - Bloodthorn - Featherwood - Highwood - Glumprong
If I put the Kapok into tile 255, thats every single slot used up... How about I replace "252 - ⁿ - "Savanna in main map" with the Acacia? They grow on savanna?
Post by: Bloogonis on July 31, 2010, 08:02:28 pm
Im not using this set yet since I dialed back to 40D(using Beefmo) until a few key bugs get fixed. Are the other sentient races represented in the set yet?
Also, and I might be jumping the gun, But how does glow tile work? and how would it effect the critters you are making?
Edit: did you shrink the bones remains tile?
Post by: Zoal on July 31, 2010, 08:04:20 pm
p.s.:
Could tile magic make the "/" look like a sword? Tile magic hilt?
p.p.s:
Today I looked at some 3 year old tilesets I had saved on a backup, and I think those oldschool ones had the best basic iconic design for the "remains" tile. (http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/976/scr1280625058.png)
One bone. One half of one ribcage. Arranged just like that. Of course it could look better, but I think the design is right.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 08:30:31 pm
Are the other sentient races represented in the set yet?
Also, and I might be jumping the gun, But how does glow tile work? and how would it effect the critters you are making?
Edit: did you shrink the bones remains tile?
So far just Dwarves and Goblins.
I'm actually quite the DF modding n00b - Whats a glow tile...? O.o
Yes I did shrink the remains a bit.
Will these trees render on the Worldmap? That'd look awesome.
p.s.:
Could tile magic make the "/" look like a sword? Tile magic hilt?
p.p.s:
Today I looked at some 3 year old tilesets I had saved on a backup, and I think those oldschool ones had the best basic iconic design for the "remains" tile.
If the world map was already showing trees, it will show the new ones. Also if I replace "Savanna" you will get acacias on the world map.
May be able to do some tile magic with the / but its used for a bunch of other things so I dunno :D
I may revisit remains. As I said a few pages back; its such a generic tile I went for minimalist icon instead.
So how about more of a skinny bush for saplings? The current style is more of an iconic seedling?
(http://i.imgur.com/b9OL1.png)
(Sapling on the left obviously.)
Because tree saplings always use black for the background colour and ignore all attempts to do otherwise, I can scatter a few coloured pixels on the alpha channel and it can double for fruit trees?
(http://i.imgur.com/W6g7Q.png)
Post by: Ironhand on July 31, 2010, 08:31:41 pm
The willow's sort of growing on me.
I still feel like it could be better, though.
I think lose the spines on the cactus,
and it'll look better. I dunno, though.
Everything else is lovely.
The trees will be on the world map, yeah.
But you'll just see the tops, not the branches.
Tile magic can't be used for weapons, unfortunately.
If we do that, every / will look like a sword. So not so much.
Glow tile just means what that critter looks like in the dark.
It doesn't add a glow effect to the tile or anything...
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 08:48:01 pm
The spines of the cacti are set with the background colour, if you change it to black they disappear like magic ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/4ysrT.png)
I am so confused by how different plants handle saplings O.o
Post by: Bloogonis on July 31, 2010, 08:51:53 pm
Maybe the willow could use more foliage in front of the trunk? I have a great big willow across from my house (which happens to be on a river named Willow) and they tend to be very full of the danglies. Sooooo many Danglies (sorry its my favorite type of tree)
If the fruit tree idea works well go with that, but the ground is chock full of bushy shapes already and saplings tend to be rather thin and twiggy...
I like the smaller remains tile, it gives me less of a "Them Punk teenage goblins dumped 50 femurs on my lawn" feel.
are you going to use the cactus spines for anything?
Post by: Ironhand on July 31, 2010, 08:54:40 pm
So the background layer on that tile might be better suited to...
flowering cacti? Or a smaller one within the bigger one?
I dunno.
Post by: WormSlayer on July 31, 2010, 09:06:52 pm
Doh! ChickenLips already suggested this!
"Either on the existing cactus, or on the suggested one above, possibly make it to allow for little nubs that could be either flowers or fruits if colored, or a standard green cactus if not."
Tah-dah!?
(http://i.imgur.com/aiPrP.png)
Rather large outdoor screenshot:
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Post by: Thundrim on July 31, 2010, 10:22:24 pm
Anyway, check this out:... it's a gazelle! (http://i29.tinypic.com/24xhy0g.png)
Fantastic! You nailed it! The Camel is outstanding as well.
Also like that Acacia tree a lot, and the overall organic effort comes along very nicely. And at a breakneck pace, hehe.
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Post by: ChickenLips on August 01, 2010, 06:15:17 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 01, 2010, 07:37:43 am
Maybe we should just use the background color for the background, and skip the flowers.
I'll leave that up to WormSlayer. He's doing a wonderful job with his plants.
...and here's a mountain goat: (http://i29.tinypic.com/m74c5f.png)
That screenshot is great. I hereby declare it the screenshot of the day.
However, all it's got are highwoods and willows. Not that they're bad.
I want to see some of the new stuff (like kapoks!) in their habitats.
EDIT: Oh, right. It's winter. Highwoods and willows are the ones that don't die.
So I really want to see that same screenshot, but it mid-autumn! :o
Post by: Ironhand on August 01, 2010, 07:56:53 am
Or groundhogs, or whatever...
They're really small,
and I'm not having good luck.
(http://i26.tinypic.com/1ysvpf.png)
Post by: Robsoie on August 01, 2010, 08:43:01 am
(http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3900/clipboard01dx.jpg)
;)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 01, 2010, 12:32:07 pm
(http://animals.nationalgeographic.com/staticfiles/NGS/Shared/StaticFiles/animals/images/primary/mountain-goat.jpg)
Marmots... IDK really... So few pixels... I spent a while looking at photos and this one says "Marmot" to me :P
http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/77/Marmot-edit1.jpg
(Large image warning)
Wow, getting your head kicked in by mountain goats - what a way to go!
I'll leave the cactus green with optional flowers for now - If the background looks too weird we can change it :)
Post by: Ironhand on August 01, 2010, 12:39:40 pm
EDIT: Actually, I think I liked the first beard better...
Can you really not see it? Is this one better?
= P
Your turn!
Go fix that willow, or something.
Post by: Harmonica on August 01, 2010, 12:47:09 pm
Post by: blub-dwarf on August 01, 2010, 12:54:59 pm
could you post both goats in one post?
to see the diference?
and i realy like the trees i makes the upper world lifely :)
Post by: Zoal on August 01, 2010, 01:53:44 pm
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Don't get the one on the web page, but get the one from sourceforge.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/tilestudio/files/ (http://sourceforge.net/projects/tilestudio/files/)
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Actually, the first one of those is really awesome - try right clicking on the palette. Changes background color. Instant tile-magic editor =)
It will also import DF tilesets and give you every tile in the tile palette below.
Then it will export them again as DF style square tileset, you specify dimension.
Like so:
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Seems to not like importing certain .bmp encodings, you may have to save as png first.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 01, 2010, 02:30:39 pm
My one final moan would be - The horns need to curve back a bit :)
Below-ground also looks a bit different now:
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Nice finds there Zoal - There is an obscure old feature I use in photoshop to make tiles:
Load up whatever image you want to work on, then from the filter menu, select Other - Offset.
Leave Undefined areas set to "wrap around" and set the horizontal and vertical offset to half the image size. (So if your image is 512x512, you set the offset to 256x256.)
The edges are now seamless and the bits you need to work on are in the middle of the image :D
Post by: Zoal on August 01, 2010, 02:36:24 pm
For example:
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You can also see some dark vertical stripes appear, and then easily remove them if it was desired, by making one of the white dots oblique.
-z
Post by: WormSlayer on August 01, 2010, 02:57:57 pm
Edit: I'm just having a look at Tile Studio - it's awesome, you should try it out IH :)
Edit 2: Hmm it does not seem to like alpha channels :(
Post by: Zoal on August 01, 2010, 03:38:58 pm
Been trying to figure out alpha channel, that's an Achilles heel. I think it just supports using a separate bgcolor.
The code is opensource so it could be added. With all the coders around here, and projects like stonesense etc, perhaps not a stretch.
Edit: haha, damn bugger, he wrote it in Delphi / Pascal, I can't help there :X
He used PngLib/LPng actually which already has alpha channel support builtin, but didn't utilize it in the UI.
In the package there is even "Blitz3d (RGBA).tsd" exporter template files, so damn
Post by: WormSlayer on August 01, 2010, 04:38:58 pm
Arboretum with new cactus and willow/spore tree, new sapling, fruit trees, tweaked conifer and special trees without a weird line across the foliage:
(http://i.imgur.com/mfe4l.png)
Optional cacti flowers:
(http://i.imgur.com/gYJbt.png)
Post by: Harmonica on August 01, 2010, 06:37:56 pm
I mean, for the purposes of DF, I haven't had any problems with any of the tiles in this set.
And if you're staring at that much water, you've probably got too much water on your embark (since it's basically useless and only consumes CPU cycles for all the wave formations and stuff).
Post by: WormSlayer on August 01, 2010, 07:03:50 pm
Picked grass-like plants now appear in a neat sheaf :)
(http://i.imgur.com/RHUBQ.png)
(Same tile as Splints, but the head of the cereal is blacked out. Works pretty well but I dont have a screenshot.)
May also work for quivers if we are ever allowed to change that tile...
On the subject of archery: I'm also thinking of replacing the ( character with a little bow. Looks great in the bowyers workshop:
(http://i.imgur.com/If54M.png)
(I broke DF - All my workshop work-surfaces are now white...)
But not so quite great in the few places its used for text:
(http://i.imgur.com/vo1PM.png)
Post by: kaluer on August 01, 2010, 11:12:49 pm
I am getting random mushrooms and things underground instead of walls.
(http://i.imgur.com/w1hnW.png)
Not sure if that is normal or something weird is happening.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 01, 2010, 11:26:00 pm
Post by: kaluer on August 01, 2010, 11:30:33 pm
Is that a fresh install or an existing game? Looks like you have some raw files from a different tileset or something....
It is a complete fresh install. I downloaded the whole package (game+tileset from page one of this thread). I attempted a second download and I am getting the same thing.
Post by: kaluer on August 01, 2010, 11:58:54 pm
Just to let everyone else know what was happening.
I used the tool with the Lazy Newb Pack to remove aquifers. That in turn edited some of the rock layer values. So after embarking I downloaded a fresh copy of Ironhand (game and all) and copied over the raw files from the fresh install. That way I am embarked with no aquifer and have good graphics.
(http://i.imgur.com/xUUdw.png)
Post by: Zalminen on August 02, 2010, 03:44:58 am
On the subject of archery: I'm also thinking of replacing the ( character with a little bow.
...
But not so quite great in the few places its used for text:
(http://i.imgur.com/vo1PM.png)
I wouldn't mind, I think it looks pretty cool even there :)
Post by: ChickenLips on August 02, 2010, 03:54:14 am
(Guess we'll have to use a different tile for those sorts of fruits. :D )
Post by: Ironhand on August 02, 2010, 06:58:45 am
LOVE the new highwoods.
You can stop messing with trees. They are perfect.
I love the grass sheaves! We should do something similar:
a bushel full of berries/fruits/mushrooms/roots. /bananas
The bow is cool, too. And eventually that tile won't be used in text anyway.
And that's all it's used for, I think. So you could lean it sideways, or
even make it a couple bows or something, if you wanted to.
Post by: Zoal on August 02, 2010, 08:13:29 am
Say that you were making a tilesystem for DF, and it supported two layers:
- A background tile, and a foreground tile.
The foreground tile would be superimposed on top of the background tile, so that objects always display on top of the correct background. *But* you also want to be able to Tile-magic at the same time, because it's useful for a mushroom! The problem is that if you were using the alpha channel for Tile-magic, then you'd be missing the required transparency mask needed to let the Foreground-object properly composite on top of the background object.
How could this be solved, so that both Tile-magic and 2-layers are supported?
One quick idea would be to use "magenta is transparent". But that's not good, for the alpha-mask needs to be antialiased or it won't look good on top of the background. Another idea would be to have a separate "alpha file" which is grayscale, but the "tilesets need 2 files" thing isn't gonna fly.
I'm not asking about how to make this work in present-day-DF, so any idea is good.
How do other games do it?
-z
Post by: WormSlayer on August 02, 2010, 08:58:30 am
These would then of course be nicely composited over the actual world background tile, be it grass or rough stone floor.
Anyway, the way the current tiles work, if you draw something in bright green, then set the tile colour to bright red - the green bits disappear.
Post by: Zoal on August 02, 2010, 09:31:29 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 02, 2010, 09:55:17 am
Rough example of what I mean about using colour to have a 3rd tile magic configuration: (http://i.imgur.com/oEkyN.png)
Post by: soul4hdwn on August 02, 2010, 10:25:10 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 02, 2010, 11:05:42 am
I've been thinking about tile magic some more; its actually possible to get at least 6 different images from a single tile...
A + B are on the RGB channels, C is on the alpha channel.
| (http://i.imgur.com/mbmqS.png) | White / White Red / White White / Black Green / White Green / Black Red / Black Black / White |
Background colour could be anything, I just used white here. In fact, you could do the same Red/Green thing with whatever is drawn using the background colour, and there is also the blue channel - so potentially a lot more than 6 combinations?
Update: Or of course you could just put a totally different image on each red, green, blue and alpha channel:
(http://i.imgur.com/8WbfE.png)
Post by: Zoal on August 02, 2010, 03:57:18 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 02, 2010, 06:01:23 pm
It's also a new concept to me. I've been doing it all the hard way every time.
This is at least fifteen completely distinct kinds of awesome.
This is going to expand me tile-creating potential significantly.
Looking forward to playing with it.
Post by: keda on August 02, 2010, 06:02:35 pm
Post by: keda on August 02, 2010, 06:13:07 pm
1 red black A
2 green black B
3 blue black C
4 cyan black BC
5 yellow black AB
6 magenta black AC
7 white black ABC
8 red white AD
9 green white BD
10 blue white CD
11 cyan white BCD
12 yellow white ABD
13 magenta white ACD
14 white white ABCD
15 black white D
Post by: Maldevious on August 02, 2010, 06:18:50 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 02, 2010, 07:12:38 pm
It may even have some use in situations where DF doesnt allow us to specify colour but always uses specific colours for certain things / states of things....
You are correct Keda - I just couldnt be bothered to make any more charts :D
Post by: Bandages on August 02, 2010, 08:38:07 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 02, 2010, 09:11:05 pm
I feel like none of this stuff is gonna work quite right
unless I go back to using pure red, green and blue in the color scheme...
Or am I misunderstanding how this works?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 02, 2010, 09:38:22 pm
I dont think you are misunderstanding - It's cool but yeah things have to be pure tones to completely mask out so it really only has very specific uses for us unless we redo the whole tileset to use single colour tiles.
May be good for vermin? Quick example - Spider-Frog-Fish:
(http://i.imgur.com/lRkzg.png)
Not suggesting that actual combination, but that sort of thing - maybe just more optional parts to turn on and off :)
Post by: Zoal on August 02, 2010, 09:48:44 pm
Inversely, any tile that can be represented as a colored thing, can have a "big" object hidden behind them in the alpha channel.
The reason I say big is cause then it's not sacrificing the tileset's overall technique of drawing the floor pattern behind stuff.
Post by: Igfig on August 02, 2010, 10:17:20 pm
I was simply wondering if you thought about having animals like wolves become shadowy wolf shapes with bright yellow eyes when my adventurer trips over them at night? Im not sure what extent the glow tile can be used since it is rarely used.This would be pretty cool. I don't think " is used much anymore, so it'd probably be easy to make it slightly more eyelike and add an indistinct dark shape behind it. And same for ' , I guess.
Your new advanced Tile Magic would be perfect for remains. White remains could look like bones, red ones could look like meat, and so on. Also on ~ and the other pool-of-liquid tile, so that a large body of water can be a continuous expanse, but a pool of blood can get away with not filling the square completely. You could also use the technique with the spiderweb/rough gem/olivine door tile, maybe?
Post by: Acanthus117 on August 02, 2010, 10:19:04 pm
Post by: Thundrim on August 03, 2010, 01:38:39 am
The underground crates must surely be buried Pirate Treasure. The trick is to locate them, they function a bit like those gold pots at the end of the rainbow apparently. Arrr!
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Post by: Harmonica on August 03, 2010, 06:21:31 am
The tile magic on the last page is potentially awesome. Hell, more like tile science! Just remember, with great power comes great responsibility. Don't go opening up an interdimensional portal to hell you guys :/ (or at least wait until I play bit more DF first)
Post by: McBeer on August 03, 2010, 07:58:24 am
I feel excited by last posts here and in "Tile Magic" thread.
Quote
Update: Or of course you could just put a totally different image on each red, green, blue and alpha channel:
These words made me registering(again..).
So, what's this all about:
Basically, i'd like to know how can i learn TileMagic basics, i mean, i am reading about it, but there's no example to figure out how to do this.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/otzo00.png)
(http://i41.tinypic.com/rupf2u.png)
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2432atx.png)
i can see this:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/abt1j9.png)
but i don't get it.
what's exactly determining mouth color on this pic?
Main reason:
I am using Genesis set with modded Ironmagic tileset;
i am experiencing one color trees without brown trunks, and small variety of plants visuals.
I'd like to fiddle with colors a bit.
You know, i could wait for next releases, but i'd like to learn.
Further idea:
I made small mod for myself - Plant(er)s.
Idea is simple - i made 9 types 1x1 workshops without REACTIONS with assigned plant tile gfx for each one.
Here's what i do have now:
(http://i25.tinypic.com/sw4rup.jpg)
in action(with few workshops from Genesis which made Planters idea born):
(http://i29.tinypic.com/2vk108w.jpg)
(http://i29.tinypic.com/ofvnll.jpg)
Now - is this possible to visualize plants in PLANTERs with actual TileMagic methods(plant - foreground, planter in background)?
Also - this is why i need to learn your method:
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2432atx.png)
It would be crucial for planters variety.
Another question:
Can i group all plants "workshops" under its own menu(you know, workshops, furnaces, PLANTERS)?
upd: i should post it in "Tile Magic" thread rather, than here..
Post by: Harmonica on August 03, 2010, 08:09:33 am
Post by: McBeer on August 03, 2010, 08:32:10 am
I admire your dedication towards dwarven aesthetics.
Thank You.
Sieges are SO long in Genesis(i never seen 3 civs fighting in my garden with each OTHER until now, c.a. 150 hostile beings on map lol).. isolated fort needs some nice clutter inside.
I suddenly realized full potential of custom workshops for adding cuteness to the fort.
While we do not have methods for building custom..tiles/furniture(b, ?), i am trying to expand visuals with workshops. Workshops without reactions are nice way to add things that were not possible until df2010.
I will make release after mod's done, for now, i would like to add variety to colors of plants(wondering HOW).
I need to know, if submenu/container for all of these "workshops" (i.e. Garden) is possible in workshops menu..(to prevent menu cluttering, if there were dozens of "garden tiles").
upd: Actually, i realized i can make planters...not-passable, and not-passable GRATES "workshops" imitating..FENCES.
oh DAMN.
Post by: Ironhand on August 03, 2010, 08:35:50 am
I don't know how custom workshops work, though.
If you can choose your own background color, though,
that's the way you should do it. If it's anything like the
plant designations, it'll look something like [foreground:background:brightness].
Maybe we can get Deon in here to answer that question better.
The question I can answer is the smiley face one.
That magenta in his mouth is actually transparency.
So when you apply a background color, it only colors his mouth.
Think of it like a cut-out. We're painting the whole tile the background color,
and then we're slapping that tile on top of it, so that only the mouth still shows through.
Also, I LOVE the idea of using advanced tile magic for remains. That is very cool.
And for liquid, too. Maybe not blood because that's also magma, but definitely for barf.
= D
This is exciting!
Post by: keda on August 03, 2010, 08:43:52 am
The tile magic basically goes like this:
You have 4 channels in your image, 3 colour channels (red, blue, green) and one alpha channel (determines transparency)
But in DF, the alpha channel determines the intensity of the background colour to be used, while the colour channels determine the intensity of the foreground colour, however this is done per channel, so if you leave out a colour in the foreground say blue (which will result in yellow, its negative) then the blue channel in the image is ignored. Check this page for how the colours add up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additive_color
Post by: McBeer on August 03, 2010, 09:11:03 am
sorry for cluttering thread, if someone would like to help me a bit, here's post:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63092.0
Of course, everything i make is yours, if i succedeed..
Post by: WormSlayer on August 03, 2010, 12:19:48 pm
Post by: Harmonica on August 03, 2010, 12:21:34 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 03, 2010, 07:58:03 pm
It will be WORTHY of the name 0.50.
Here's what I just posted on the OP:
Wolves! Ice wolves,
[war] mandrills!
camels, goats...
more animals pending
All those EPIC new trees by WormSlayer!
PLUS, we're waiting for the text separation
that's supposed to be in the next Toady release,
which will let us separate out all kinds of cool stuff,
including
Water/magma will be differentiated by depth!
Blood/vomit/mud splats will be a brand new tile!
Bins/stairs/floodgates/etc/etc will be a new (bin) tile!
Supports, glass doors, zzzs for sleeping, os for workshops,
ns and stuff for world maps, COFFINS (finally!), and more!
It'll also have Phoebus' savegame updater,
and a folder icon to make it all pretty. = D
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Anyway, this means we're waiting until Toady gives us all those lovely
new features which will make this possible. That means you'll all have to
wait maybe a few days or maybe more like a week until the next official release.
It'll be totally worth it.
This will be the best one yet!
Post by: Zulithe on August 03, 2010, 09:11:15 pm
Post by: Vince on August 04, 2010, 01:49:37 am
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Post by: DFa4_anon on August 04, 2010, 01:59:16 am
And I fell into strange mood and and went to rob the caravans!!
(http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/5443/corovan.jpg)
Robbery is sucsess!
All new stuff is already delivered to our fortress into Ironhand's workshop!
Zoomed preview of robbed caravan:
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Original.
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SO MANY COOL STUFF FOR OUR FORTRESS!! Craftdwarfs can now create their new masterpieces.
I feel myself as legendary robber of caravans now.
Post by: Vince on August 04, 2010, 03:23:09 am
The bag under the bed, SW from the chest under the dogs (gah xD) is awesome!
Post by: pugi on August 04, 2010, 03:30:09 am
A wolf isn't howling all the time...
Also all the characters are shifted too high and left in your clean set, most noticeable with the "l", whose top is inside the "\" tile. And the characters in the glowing tileset aren't arranged perfectly too, as already noted.
I recommend laying a 18x18 grid over your tileset when editing it, whch is an easy to enable function in gimp/photoshop and you can immediately see when a tile is clipping these gridlines.
Keep up the good work :)
Post by: Vince on August 04, 2010, 03:44:36 am
Also all the characters are shifted too high and left in your clean set, most noticeable with the "l", whose top is inside the "\" tile. And the characters in the glowing tileset aren't arranged perfectly too, as already noted.
I already mentioned that, the fonts are getting outsourced anyway in the next version, so there is no need to fix it. :)
Post by: Zulithe on August 04, 2010, 04:16:01 am
Still this is a really exciting development for anyone who likes custom graphics sets! The current system is very insufficient.
Post by: Baughn on August 04, 2010, 04:20:16 am
I've still got a fair bit of work left to do, some of which can only be done once it's compiled with DF.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 04, 2010, 05:04:00 am
Post by: Zulithe on August 04, 2010, 05:57:26 am
Hmm. So Ironhand... in light of Baughn's comment above, maybe we can get a 0.47 to tide us over? :P
Post by: Ironhand on August 04, 2010, 06:23:25 am
I will work on it tomorrow. Or maybe even tonight. We'll see.
I need to fix wolves and mountain goats and I'll package it up.
Post by: Baughn on August 04, 2010, 06:35:39 am
Why only in 2D though?Because it's easy. Rendering the same text via OpenGL has all kinds of possible performance/memory tradeoffs, and I can't decide which is best without seeing it in action.
Post by: Vince on August 04, 2010, 07:04:47 am
Because it's easy. Rendering the same text via OpenGL has all kinds of possible performance/memory tradeoffs, and I can't decide which is best without seeing it in action.
I implemented truetype text display with freetype2 and ftgl lately, it's pretty performant with bitmapfonts, as long as it's not some UTF-16 glyph or something (they are not pre-generated and have to be loaded/generated at runtime).
Post by: carebear on August 04, 2010, 09:09:41 am
Post by: McBeer on August 04, 2010, 09:13:40 am
Godspeed you beautiful crazy gardening person.Thanks!
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All those EPIC new trees by WormSlayer!fabulous!
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Water/magma will be differentiated by depth!
Blood/vomit/mud splats will be a brand new tile!
Bins/stairs/floodgates/etc/etc will be a new (bin) tile!
Supports, glass doors, zzzs for sleeping, os for workshops,
ns and stuff for world maps, COFFINS (finally!), and more!
let me second what Vince said:
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1131/1279779921406.png
Post by: Ironhand on August 04, 2010, 06:42:23 pm
(http://i38.tinypic.com/2qbd6q9.png)
I present to you all: BUSHELS. Plus WormSlayer's sheaves.
Post by: Thundrim on August 04, 2010, 06:55:11 pm
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Post by: Ironhand on August 04, 2010, 07:24:45 pm
Mandrills!
War mandrills!!
Gazelles, camels, wolves, mountain goats, marmots...
Plants and trees have had a complete makeover!
They are so awesome.
Also, harvested plants are stored in bushels and sheaves.
Loads of minor fixes and adjustments.
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Hopefully that'll tide you all over until 0.50.
Which is going to be AWESOME.
By the way.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 04, 2010, 07:33:23 pm
Post by: Rebirthocool on August 04, 2010, 07:38:04 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 04, 2010, 07:38:38 pm
Cheesey: Are you asking tiles or sprites?
There are 256 tiles,
and it's not so much a matter of how many we have,
but rather a question of how many more times we'll change them.
There is a tile in every spot. But they are always prone to change.
As for the critter sprites, there are hundreds and hundreds.
And if I ever get done with those, there will always be more.
I've said I might take a look at some mods, or something.
I dunno. That is all a very very very long way off.
I assume the reason you're asking is so you can get a sense for whether
0.50 actually means half-way.
It probably does not.
We might very well get to version 1.0 with a good stack of stuff undone.
But I hope to be completely happy with the tileset and most of the dwarves by then.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 04, 2010, 07:49:26 pm
I'm asking because I'm wondering how far we are from a true unique Ironhand set, where every tile used is made completely from scratch by either Ironhand or Worm Slayer.
Post by: Ironhand on August 04, 2010, 08:07:20 pm
There are a LOT of sprites.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 04, 2010, 08:11:36 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 04, 2010, 08:41:36 pm
Sprites, I meant. I thought there were only a limited amount? Some creatures, and the baby/zombie/skeleton versions of each... yeah, mods could add a lot.
I'm asking because I'm wondering how far we are from a true unique Ironhand set, where every tile used is made completely from scratch by either Ironhand or Worm Slayer.
Completion is kind of hard to define for this project... As long as Toady keeps adding new stuff and (hopefully) more graphics support, the list of stuff we have to make expands... I just counted, and in the tilesheet your playing on right now there are 67 tiles I made from scratch. I do plan on eventually replacing all the ones we borrowed from other people sets, as I said before; not because I hate them, but because I have crazy OCD like that >.o
But yeah the main tile sheet is only the tip of the iceberg - So many creatures... IH will be an old man like me before he finishes! ;)
Good call on the bushels though, that was on my to-do list for planty things! They are awesome, but (as always :P) I have one tiny crit; The vertical wickerwork is slightly more visible than the horizontal - It makes me think of little cupcakes with the wrinkled greaseproof paper (http://englishmum.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Meringue-muffin.JPG)? :)
Downloading new version now :D
Post by: Acanthus117 on August 04, 2010, 08:44:58 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 04, 2010, 08:57:54 pm
It's more of like... a half a barrel.
Bushels a la google (http://www.google.com/images?q=bushel&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1280&bih=671).
Post by: WormSlayer on August 04, 2010, 09:38:27 pm
Such a useful tile though - Could be a bushel of pretty much anything with the right colours :D
Like Dimple Cups or Plump Helmets? ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/74tFR.png)
Post by: McBeer on August 04, 2010, 10:09:41 pm
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Could be a bushel of pretty much anything
.. laundry basket?
hm, could someone tell me, if theres any way for making laundry-workshop?
I mean, you know, way of making place for..cleaning bloodstained clothes, etc?
btw, i admire that new quiver, plants 'n trees, and generally, everything(water!).
Post by: Cheddarius on August 04, 2010, 10:19:00 pm
Not sure why I have such a basket-like mental image...I think it's because in this tile format, the bottom is rounded, like a basket, or an upside-down dome, while an actual bushel has an edge, like a upside-down conic frustum.
Post by: Dearnen on August 04, 2010, 10:46:38 pm
Post by: pugi on August 04, 2010, 11:55:57 pm
Post by: Solace on August 05, 2010, 02:47:51 am
Post by: Urist McFail on August 05, 2010, 03:44:18 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 05, 2010, 08:14:54 am
Me'n Wormy have some pretty epic plans for water and such for 0.50.
Yeah, I'm not happy with the wolf yet either. I will re-do it eventually.
I thought of using bushels for harvesting mushrooms as well,
but they're just so pretty that I left them the way they are.
But maybe it makes more sense to harvest everything the same way.
Post by: blub-dwarf on August 05, 2010, 08:40:17 am
one question about walls
is it posible too give them a 3d look? or would this look bad?
like this? http://www.g4g.it/download/thumbnail/Dwarf_fortress_graph_02.jpg
Post by: McBeer on August 05, 2010, 08:43:45 am
tak myślę.
Post by: Zoal on August 05, 2010, 09:25:20 am
Weapon-rack doesn't match the artstyle of the rest of the tileset.
Put it next to a Table, and a Well, you'll see what I mean.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 05, 2010, 09:41:44 am
one question about walls
is it posible too give them a 3d look? or would this look bad?
It's totally possible, it just doesnt seem like a very popular way of displaying the walls.
Weapon-rack doesn't match the artstyle of the rest of the tileset.
Put it next to a Table, and a Well, you'll see what I mean.
I made them both so the style should be fairly similar - You mean the angle they are drawn at? The whole set is a mix of perspective, top-down and side views :F
Also: Fruit Trees?
(http://i.imgur.com/pqfzB.png)
Post by: Ironhand on August 05, 2010, 10:05:15 am
I think you're cheating with those colors, though.
You've got green, brown, grey and a variable fruit color.
Post by: Maldevious on August 05, 2010, 11:12:50 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 05, 2010, 11:13:03 am
Actually - same trick as the vine/berry tile - If you use white as the tile foreground colour, you can show a full range of RGB colours and still have background free for whatever :)
Though it seems to me that the wiki on colour is wrong and you cant always have bright foreground and background... I'm still a bit confused about this though... :D
On the subject of the vine/berry tile, I had a go at remaking it. Does this look better?
(http://i.imgur.com/uOCSD.png)
Post by: Deltaway on August 05, 2010, 12:23:13 pm
Also, that water is gorgeous.
Post by: Aalto on August 05, 2010, 12:27:17 pm
Post by: Vince on August 05, 2010, 01:00:11 pm
The aren't "defined" enough, they look more like barf than like vines to me, sorry.
Post by: Alcoholic on August 05, 2010, 02:40:01 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 05, 2010, 02:57:05 pm
The only big problem with it is that then goats and gremlins and groundhogs use that tile too.
And also, goblins (and goats and gremlins and groundhogs) use that tile when they're caged as well.
Still, we're considering a couple workarounds. One being re-mapping all the default creature tiles (blarg)
to sort them by appearance rather than letters. So all the humanoids would use one tile for their dead/caged,
and all the equine or camelid creatures could share a tile, etc. It would be a lot of work. But it would be very cool.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 05, 2010, 03:00:05 pm
Post by: Alcoholic on August 05, 2010, 03:04:53 pm
What about a bloody and ripped-up "g"?
Now were talking! :P
Post by: Ironhand on August 05, 2010, 03:09:57 pm
The more I think about it, the more I like the first idea.
I could carve out some (transparency) wounds from it.
Then when they're in cages, you'll see the creature,
but when they're dead they'll be in a pool of blood.
...I dunno. It might not work. I think I'll give it a shot later, though.
Unless you guys really like the messed up letters idea. That would definitely be easier. = P
Post by: McBeer on August 05, 2010, 04:46:31 pm
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If you use white as the tile foreground colour, you can show a full range of RGB colours and still have background free for whateverCould you share any more info about that?
How..full-range...
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btw, sshot from 0.49 tileset..damn :D
(http://i36.tinypic.com/nee0xw.jpg)
Post by: Cheddarius on August 05, 2010, 04:53:56 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 05, 2010, 07:08:30 pm
The tileset would work, I suppose,
but my modified raws wouldn't work.
You'd need to go in and change raws for
minerals and plants and all kinds of stuff.
And the dwarves and creatures might not
all work either, because there are more
creatures than before. You'd just have
to delete all the definitions that aren't
around in 0.28.181.40d. Like all the
new underground critters...
and new dwarf professions.
It would be a lot of work, and it's not worth it for me right now.
But you could probably figure it out for yourself if you wanted to.
Is there a reason you're hesitant to just play 0.31?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 05, 2010, 07:23:41 pm
QuoteIf you use white as the tile foreground colour, you can show a full range of RGB colours and still have background free for whateverCould you share any more info about that?
How..full-range...
I mean if you use white as the foreground, your tile stays exactly how you drew it with no tint. If you look at the vine/berry bush in the latest tiles thats an example. With that one, I can also set the foreground to green, and the brown stems turn green which is cool :D
Also that custom workshop in your screenshot - The background tile colour changes just the colour of the flask. I seem to remember I also made the spots on the leather pelt use the background colour.
Post by: Ironhand on August 05, 2010, 07:30:53 pm
Post by: Cheddarius on August 05, 2010, 07:45:35 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 05, 2010, 07:55:39 pm
you're gonna have to go back to one that's already bundled in.
Like Mike's, or Sphr's.
Sorry.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 05, 2010, 08:10:03 pm
Post by: flatlander on August 05, 2010, 08:52:54 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 06, 2010, 07:09:52 am
I'm working on a new banner for the OP, and I got sidetracked
Spoiler: because I'm so excited about... (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on August 06, 2010, 07:29:45 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Okay, I'm gonna get back to the real work now.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 06, 2010, 07:56:24 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 06, 2010, 09:19:16 am
unless WormSlayer wants his name in there too.
People are used to my name on it by now...
I just wanted to give him some credit on the banner.
Post by: Thundrim on August 06, 2010, 10:31:26 am
Eh, I'll probably just keep calling it Ironhand's Graphics Set,
unless WormSlayer wants his name in there too.
People are used to my name on it by now...
I just wanted to give him some credit on the banner.
Ironhand is a very striking name, eh? I think most here have an understanding of the inherent dualism of this project by now. And if not, the banner might help out by the looks of it. You guys rock!
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Post by: Robsoie on August 06, 2010, 10:51:18 am
Post by: Harmonica on August 06, 2010, 12:17:45 pm
Post by: Turambar on August 06, 2010, 12:31:31 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 06, 2010, 01:46:09 pm
Spoiler: Brace yourself (click to show/hide)
I'm thinking a sort of embossing
for the transparency map...
I'll keep you posted.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 06, 2010, 02:08:39 pm
Post by: Harmonica on August 06, 2010, 02:21:25 pm
Want to see something devastatingly awesome?Spoiler: Brace yourself (click to show/hide)
I'm thinking a sort of embossing
for the transparency map...
I'll keep you posted.
I like it. I think perhaps it could do with being a bit brighter. Or more sharply anti-aliased. For me it's just a tad too hard to pick out, it might make my eyes hurt if I spent hours reading it.
It seems cleaner than the current font though (which I like, but is a little hard on the eyes at times).
Post by: Zoal on August 06, 2010, 02:26:51 pm
Weapon-rack doesn't match the artstyle of the rest of the tileset.
Put it next to a Table, and a Well, you'll see what I mean.
I made them both so the style should be fairly similar - You mean the angle they are drawn at? The whole set is a mix of perspective, top-down and side views :F
A bit of 3dness would help absolutely.
But also, there's another reason, which is related to something else I've been wondering about bringing up for a while.
I haven't cause I wondered if the following critique is "too rigid, too constrained" and could be No-fun for artists?
If you compare the weapon rack tile to the workshop tiles, the "edge" technique is totally different. The workshop tiles, the flask, and many other things have a dark-edged outline. The Wep-racks have no edges at all, they are just the thin lines for each weapon. Certain things like a table don't need edges, but when you compare the Wep-racks to the Workshop-tool-tiles, they're really similar in concept and yet look so different.
so -- there's many different techniques that can be used and some may look better than others, but the tileset should "kinda pick one and stick to it" -- or at least be conscious of the Chosen-technique and then break-the-rule where appropriate.
I imagine that a professional game art team making a commercial game would do this kinda thing during the design phase, so it seems like a good challenge.
The dwarf tiles use a recurring technique, so thats good.
-z
Post by: McBeer on August 06, 2010, 02:50:56 pm
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I imagine that a professional game art team making a commercial game would do this kinda thing during the design phase,This is so fail..
Have you seen ANY commercial game with good pixel art after 1990's?
please..
(sorry, i am drunk, and just launching Atari XL emu).
actually i can see only one: DF with community tiles.
any problems are related to engine of gfx in df, modders are operating on edge of possibilities of engine now.
k, logout, guys.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 06, 2010, 03:19:05 pm
Post by: Zoal on August 06, 2010, 03:33:46 pm
*there is none* haha
Except when for example, an arm is crossed over a body, it uses an outline.
Monsters
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Items
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on August 06, 2010, 04:13:42 pm
It's brighter and crisper than before. I'm quite happy with it.
It doesn't have to stay gold. I can tinge it whatever color you guys want.
Or I can drop it back down to boring old grey like it was before.
Actually, it would probably be brighter that way.
I was just playin'. = D
Post by: Cheddarius on August 06, 2010, 04:33:02 pm
Post by: s20dan on August 06, 2010, 05:06:19 pm
Cheers.
Post by: Harmonica on August 06, 2010, 05:26:27 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 06, 2010, 05:34:46 pm
Ironhand, could you please only include the files that have been changed in the Upgrade version, or a list of files that have been changed?
Uh... yeah. I can do that.
In the next version, though,
I think no RAW will be safe from
the PURGE that is True Type Font.
Speaking of font...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I desaturated the edges so Cheddy will be happy,
but it's still got a little bit of yellow at the bottom,
which I personally think is very awesome.
Check that one out, Harmonica.
Does it still look blurry? :-\
Post by: qwert on August 06, 2010, 07:10:36 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 06, 2010, 08:23:40 pm
If you compare the weapon rack tile to the workshop tiles, the "edge" technique is totally different.
Well your the first person to express any opinion on the black outline or not question. As you point out I've been a bit random about where it is used. More consistency will probably creep in as the set matures - It's early days yet :P
Your post didnt really say; do you prefer with or without black outlines?
The game "dungeon crawl stone soup"
So many little items... DF badly needs more graphics support :(
Post by: Dearnen on August 06, 2010, 08:54:20 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on August 06, 2010, 09:07:12 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 06, 2010, 09:08:59 pm
And we're definitely sticking with outlines.
Because that's where all my sprites are at.
Post by: s20dan on August 06, 2010, 09:15:46 pm
Uh... yeah. I can do that.
In the next version, though,
I think no RAW will be safe from
the PURGE that is True Type Font.
Thanks, thats a good point though :)
It will be a big step in the right direction getting the font support.
And that shaded font is looking really nice, I cant wait to see what it looks like in the game :)
Post by: Shihoudani on August 07, 2010, 01:08:55 am
Post by: Vince on August 07, 2010, 03:02:39 am
Speaking of font...Yes, sorry. It hurts my eyes. :(Does it still look blurry? :-\Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And I prefer gray letters.
Post by: Nabobalis on August 07, 2010, 03:30:01 am
Speaking of font...Yes, sorry. It hurts my eyes. :(Does it still look blurry? :-\Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And I prefer gray letters.
Yeah it looks kind of blurry to me too. The previous example didn't look blurry to me. I'm sure my eyes suck tbh.
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 07:29:33 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's sharper around the edges,
and there's more space in the es and as.
Post by: Vince on August 07, 2010, 07:45:01 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 07:55:51 am
Here it is in grey, with the original texture overlaid:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Better? Worse?
Post by: Vince on August 07, 2010, 08:35:26 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 09:31:32 am
Post by: MiniMacker on August 07, 2010, 11:04:14 am
Post by: dennislp3 on August 07, 2010, 11:19:20 am
Cool!
Here it is in grey, with the original texture overlaid:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Better? Worse?
I would say you need to be careful with that because if things have a grey filter over em telling certain things apart from eachother can get hard. A good example would be when sifting through large lists with lots of white and grey words (such as in the description of a character even) because it makes it harder to just look at some things at a glance when they both share a common color base or overlay (grayed over slightly) thus requiring an occasional double take. I personally like the previous (non greyed) one you have about 2 posts up from this one....then again I haven't seen them in action. Either way they are both beautiful
The water/magma is also amazing...
Post by: Ounce on August 07, 2010, 11:27:17 am
The water is pretty great too. I love the swirly tiles. Having depth shown visually is also pretty wonderful.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 07, 2010, 12:21:18 pm
I was about to give you a 'meh' until I saw the depth. It appears my head has gone *a-pop*.
Wait until you see it swirling off the edge of a waterfall :D
Post by: Bandages on August 07, 2010, 01:01:24 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on August 07, 2010, 01:18:21 pm
just saying...
and the fact that its only like...half done or so? wow
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 03:22:54 pm
Yeah, it's a work in progress.
Post by: Harmonica on August 07, 2010, 03:23:30 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 03:29:05 pm
But the thing about the new version is that we'll be using a completely different sheet for text.
So if I'm right and that's how it's gonna work, you'll be able to switch out the font set
for whichever one you like (some people like Sphr's font, or whatever),
without having to mess with my tileset.
Post by: Harmonica on August 07, 2010, 04:09:40 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 04:12:38 pm
Graphics aren't really being segregated out.
Rather, graphics are being separated from text.
Post by: Cruxador on August 07, 2010, 05:23:29 pm
I'm gonna stick with the shiny one for now (the one that most of you are saying you like).That's not a super accurate representation of how it's working. It's actually significantly better than that sounds. We are moving away from graphical fonts entirely, and instead will be using TrueType. A .ttf, and not something that's recognizable as a sheet, in the sense that we know it. A whole 'nother kettle of fish for folks that want to make things, with vectors and kerning and all that jazz. Unless that option is disabled in init.txt, of course. But it essentially means that you have all the tiles which were previously used as letters to play around with, and text will be determinable entirely separate from tilesets, and will look better. And it will also enable the switching out of fonts independent of tilesets.
But the thing about the new version is that we'll be using a completely different sheet for text.
So if I'm right and that's how it's gonna work, you'll be able to switch out the font set
for whichever one you like (some people like Sphr's font, or whatever),
without having to mess with my tileset.
Post by: carebear on August 07, 2010, 05:41:46 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 05:54:44 pm
Darn. I spent a lot of time making that. But it's pixel art.
I have no idea how to make vector art or .ttf font files...
Post by: Cruxador on August 07, 2010, 06:07:37 pm
Oh... so I won't actually be using my font after all.I reckon most folks will just want to use an established typeface anyway. I know personally I'm thinking of trying out Baskerville, seeing how that looks.
Darn. I spent a lot of time making that. But it's pixel art.
I have no idea how to make vector art or .ttf font files...
Of course, there is plenty that can be done with all those now-unused letter and number tiles, not the least of which is implementing that new water you've got without causing problems elsewhere, and that water is looking great. So there's that.
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2010, 06:09:43 pm
http://www.inkscape.org/
Then give a look to this simple tutorial :
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/convert-images-to-svg-format-with-inkscape/
Works very well to convert bitmap image into vector image
Post by: McBeer on August 07, 2010, 06:32:54 pm
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We are moving away from graphical fonts entirelySorry for asking, but when exactly this may occur?
(i am instantly thinking about this insane vision of having ~30 free-to-use tiles)
Post by: Cruxador on August 07, 2010, 06:37:26 pm
Ironhand, try the excellent and open source InkscapeThat tutorial doesn't account for the effects he'd applied, though.
http://www.inkscape.org/
Then give a look to this simple tutorial :
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/convert-images-to-svg-format-with-inkscape/
Works very well to convert bitmap image into vector image
The next version, I believe. My understanding is that Baughn's done with it, and thus it will be part of DF the next time Toady does a full compile and gives it to us.QuoteWe are moving away from graphical fonts entirelySorry for asking, but when exactly this may occur?
(i am instantly thinking about this insane vision of having ~30 free-to-use tiles)
Post by: Ironhand on August 07, 2010, 07:06:19 pm
Which yes, allows us a whole pile of new tilespace.
We're gonna have
corpses for dead animals...
Bins that look like bins...
So much new stuff.
You have no idea.
(probably won't get all of it into 0.50, but there will be a lot)
Also, I just realized. Are these ttfs going to be tile-based?
I'm guessing not, which means they don't have to be
monospaced any more! Which will be very nice, I think.
Post by: Zoal on August 07, 2010, 07:16:53 pm
The new DF is using Freetype2, so it does support bitmap fonts.
You won't have to redraw them on a pixel level, but all your alpha/inversion/etc techniques will need to be redone.
You just need to use a tool like FontForge to make the actual font file.
Look here for a list of the font formats that ft2 supports.
http://www.freetype.org/freetype2/index.html
Post by: WormSlayer on August 07, 2010, 07:23:13 pm
Also, I just realized. Are these ttfs going to be tile-based?
I'm guessing not, which means they don't have to be
monospaced any more! Which will be very nice, I think.
It's a lot of work to make a vector font - trust me :P
Probably better off just picking a nice one everyone likes and bundling it with the tileset?
Also Baughn posted this teaser screenshot on reddit a few days ago, looks like we wont be limited to fixed-width fonts! :D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Cruxador on August 07, 2010, 07:29:42 pm
Yeah, we've been promised that for the next release.You are correct.
Which yes, allows us a whole pile of new tilespace.
We're gonna have
corpses for dead animals...
Bins that look like bins...
So much new stuff.
You have no idea.
(probably won't get all of it into 0.50, but there will be a lot)
Also, I just realized. Are these ttfs going to be tile-based?
I'm guessing not, which means they don't have to be
monospaced any more! Which will be very nice, I think.
http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/Just because Freetype 2 supports something does not mean that DF will be able to utilize that support. Baughn has only talked about TrueType fonts, and thus I strongly suspect we will only be able to use TrueType fonts. It's entirely possible that this is not the case, of course, but I suspect that if we have access to a wider variation of filetypes, we would know about it. Unless you have some information here that I don't?
The new DF is using Freetype2, so it does support bitmap fonts.
You won't have to redraw them on a pixel level, but all your alpha/inversion/etc techniques will need to be redone.
You just need to use a tool like FontForge to make the actual font file.
Look here for a list of the font formats that ft2 supports.
http://www.freetype.org/freetype2/index.html
Post by: McBeer on August 07, 2010, 07:32:11 pm
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Also Baughn posted this teaser screenshot..jawdrop(if what do i see means potentially method for more space for text in i.e. trade window, etc FINALLY).
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and thus I strongly suspect we will only be able to use TrueType fontsBasically it means VERY simple support for dozens thousands of fonts and it's GREAT(from end-user perspective, of course, i can understand Ironhand POV(making TTF's is just ennerving...).
Post by: Baughn on August 07, 2010, 08:03:25 pm
I realize that's not ideal, of course, and it's probable that I'll get around to explicitly naming the file in init.txt instead. Either way, you'll be able to use non-truetype fonts if that's what you want; anything freetype2 supports should be good.
On a more serious note, I'm going to have to stress again that this code will not work properly in the next version. It'll default to off, for good reason; there are going to be hundreds of glitches, I can almost guarantee it. The one after that, it might be reasonable to play with it; the next one, only so you can test new ascii-less tilesets.
Oh. Also, I love that water. How would you like to be able to animate it?
Post by: Zoal on August 07, 2010, 08:03:59 pm
Just because Freetype 2 supports something does not mean that DF will be able to utilize that support. Baughn has only talked about TrueType fonts, and thus I strongly suspect we will only be able to use TrueType fonts.
Well actually it does mean that. The different formats are supported by default, abstracted from the programmer. That's part of the point of the library.
Post by: Baughn on August 07, 2010, 08:06:25 pm
Post by: KillHour on August 07, 2010, 08:26:06 pm
Oh. Also, I love that water. How would you like to be able to animate it?
If you can make water animate in a way that logically shows flow direction, my brain will liquify.
Post by: Baughn on August 07, 2010, 09:03:19 pm
But no.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 07, 2010, 09:56:35 pm
Oh. Also, I love that water. How would you like to be able to animate it?
Are you teasing us with some sort of animated png support? :F
If you can make water animate in a way that logically shows flow direction, my brain will liquify.
If we switch over to using the "number for water" thing with tiles it looks really, really nice in places where the water level is changing. The downside is that rivers lose the nice flowing colour animation along their length.
Post by: Cruxador on August 07, 2010, 10:43:06 pm
Man, water doesn't even do that in real life most of the time.Oh. Also, I love that water. How would you like to be able to animate it?
If you can make water animate in a way that logically shows flow direction, my brain will liquify.
Post by: Cheddarius on August 07, 2010, 11:04:09 pm
Man, water doesn't even do that in real life most of the time.Neither does water come with gigantic marks saying "7" and "6" and such; however, it is included. It's not reality that matters, it's making the game enjoyable.
That being said, I don't think it's possible for a graphics set to show flow direction. That would require a change in the game itself, not just the graphics.
Post by: Urist McFail on August 08, 2010, 03:01:17 am
Of course, the coding would need to be there initially to indicate which direction water is flowing for each tile, either that or just some kind of pointer in the code, like a compass cardinal point that indicates the source direction of water, and for spreading water like that in new channels or pumped across a dry floor, it would need to inherit the parent tiles direction and compare it to the direction it is moving and change as relevant.
But yeah, just by creating the tiles will not accurately show flow unless it is coded into the game.
Post by: Wavecutter on August 08, 2010, 06:06:12 am
Post by: McBeer on August 08, 2010, 06:28:26 am
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Nonedit: Yep, I'm also altering the text-sizing functions, so a proportional font means you get more text into the same horizontal space, not more blank space to the right.
Hello, narrow FONTS! Oh Armok, i can hardly WAIT.
Post by: Ironhand on August 08, 2010, 06:55:45 am
I'm going to have to stress again that this code will not work properly in the next version.
Well, then what are you doing lazing around here? Hop to it! :P
Oh. Also, I love that water. How would you like to be able to animate it?
Nah. I'd rather have more tile separations.
The big problem ones for me are ~, ≈, and X.
Post by: Vince on August 08, 2010, 08:06:09 am
Two-step animated dwarves would be hilarious to watch, especially when paused and forwarding time only with the . key (like I do in battles sometimes).
And you could make gems sparkle a bit. Or an animated fly-swarm. Or...
Post by: Zoal on August 08, 2010, 09:01:43 am
Because the actual rendering is not the problem. The problem is that Toady is only providing enough information to specify "index 114". What the renderer chooses to do with that index is another story. It could cycle through four frames representing "index 114". The tileset could even be four .pngs, one for each frame.
Of course, that index could be ambiguous, like in the case of the spiderweb/currency tile. And you could not use this ability to cheat and get more actual unique tile entries, cause we're still stuck with the original tileset index #'s coming from Toady.
I just mean to say: There could be a shimmering animated coin, but it would have to be a shimmering/animated web as well.
-z
Post by: Solace on August 08, 2010, 01:19:36 pm
Post by: keda on August 08, 2010, 02:26:45 pm
Nonedit: Yep, I'm also altering the text-sizing functions, so a proportional font means you get more text into the same horizontal space, not more blank space to the right.wow... :o Does this mean the 80 tile lower bound can be trashed too so we can make bigger tiles without needing huge screens? :D
Post by: ChickenLips on August 08, 2010, 02:38:59 pm
Speaking specifically about the bushel, it's great, appropriate and fills in a very needed gap, but I have a wee complaint: I really liked that little low, squat plant thing it replaced (161), and found it extraordinarily useful for representing a variety of plants. Is there any way to either put it back in, either as a different tile number, or as 161 with the basket moved to a different tile number?
Not sure why I have such a basket-like mental image...
Such a useful tile though - Could be a bushel of pretty much anything with the right colours :D
Like Dimple Cups or Plump Helmets? ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/74tFR.png)
Post by: Ironhand on August 08, 2010, 03:21:11 pm
I liked the concept, but it wasn't very good.
So I'll make you a better one!
Unless WormSlayer beats me to it.
Post by: Baughn on August 08, 2010, 03:28:29 pm
Not just yet. It's something Toady has shown a little interest in doing (though not in quite those words), but I very much doubt it'll happen anytime soon. Eventually, though.Nonedit: Yep, I'm also altering the text-sizing functions, so a proportional font means you get more text into the same horizontal space, not more blank space to the right.wow... :o Does this mean the 80 tile lower bound can be trashed too so we can make bigger tiles without needing huge screens? :D
Post by: WormSlayer on August 08, 2010, 10:20:51 pm
Yeah, I want to put something like that back in.
I liked the concept, but it wasn't very good.
So I'll make you a better one!
Unless WormSlayer beats me to it.
More/shinier plants are up on my list of stuff to do but I've been a bit side-tracked with boring real-world stuff like work :(
Post by: ungulateman on August 08, 2010, 10:38:50 pm
Post by: Bloogonis on August 09, 2010, 12:30:38 am
I'd LOVE to have animated tiles/creature graphics in general!couldn't this already be done with the [alt tile] tag? it gives purring maggots an animation.
Two-step animated dwarves would be hilarious to watch, especially when paused and forwarding time only with the . key (like I do in battles sometimes).
And you could make gems sparkle a bit. Or an animated fly-swarm. Or...
Post by: Artanis00 on August 09, 2010, 01:06:27 am
Animated tiles can be implemented so that the artist only has to use one single tile entry. You would not have to "use up" N tiles to make something which is animated.
Because the actual rendering is not the problem. The problem is that Toady is only providing enough information to specify "index 114". What the renderer chooses to do with that index is another story. It could cycle through four frames representing "index 114". The tileset could even be four .pngs, one for each frame.
Of course, that index could be ambiguous, like in the case of the spiderweb/currency tile. And you could not use this ability to cheat and get more actual unique tile entries, cause we're still stuck with the original tileset index #'s coming from Toady.
I just mean to say: There could be a shimmering animated coin, but it would have to be a shimmering/animated web as well.
-z
You could probably pull something off with color cycling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_cycling). The channel magic that has been done in this thread for various tiles reminded me of it, but for crude animation you just need a way to cycle through colors rather than cycle through frames.
http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5
Post by: dyze on August 09, 2010, 10:40:30 am
http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5
some insane art in that demo! love that era of graphics..
Post by: McBeer on August 09, 2010, 11:40:17 am
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http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5
Holy damn, nice pieces there..
upd: wow, really wow. Neat bkgs and anim patterns..
btw, word about animated DF: it's just bad idea. This title should avoid it as long as possible.
Post by: Ironhand on August 09, 2010, 01:27:03 pm
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 02:15:17 pm
What features would you like?
Yes, that's a completely open-ended question; I don't want to make you assume certain things are or aren't possible, though you would probably do well not to request anything that requires changes to DF proper.
Post by: Foamy on August 09, 2010, 02:23:09 pm
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 02:27:47 pm
Post by: Solace on August 09, 2010, 02:30:00 pm
So, I'm implementing animation.Well like I mentioned before, if we could choose for an animation to just display a single frame, we could use one animation to display several different still images, increasing the number of images we have to work with without increasing the indexes. If we could also have the computer pick a random still image out of the animation, that would allow, for example, to have several slightly different tree sprites (or grass, water, sand, whatever), without changing any of the basic code for dwarf fortress.
What features would you like?
Yes, that's a completely open-ended question; I don't want to make you assume certain things are or aren't possible, though you would probably do well not to request anything that requires changes to DF proper.
Post by: Jayce on August 09, 2010, 02:34:01 pm
You don't like nobles?Is he a rice farmer?.
I'm actually really looking forward to them.
I think it'll be fun to make fancy clothes and hats.
Anyway, check it out. I made some more stuff:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/5l9a1f.png)
I'm not sure I like the soldiers yet.
Skullcap-dwarf in particular doesn't do much for me.
I like the headband a lot better. Thanks for the suggestion!
My peasants are pretty nice, though, I think.
Check out that farmer hat. I'm proud of that one.
I used to use mayday exclusively,but after trying your set i kinda prefer it,though i miss the bigger images esp dwarfs.
Post by: Cruxador on August 09, 2010, 02:42:04 pm
The problem is, we'd need some way to specify what frame to use, and I don't think that's currently possible.So, I'm implementing animation.Well like I mentioned before, if we could choose for an animation to just display a single frame, we could use one animation to display several different still images, increasing the number of images we have to work with without increasing the indexes. If we could also have the computer pick a random still image out of the animation, that would allow, for example, to have several slightly different tree sprites (or grass, water, sand, whatever), without changing any of the basic code for dwarf fortress.
What features would you like?
Yes, that's a completely open-ended question; I don't want to make you assume certain things are or aren't possible, though you would probably do well not to request anything that requires changes to DF proper.
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 02:44:48 pm
I think I can get Toady to pass me the absolute map location, which would translate to knowing the absolute location of any given tile. If we use *that* as an index, things should look good. It would be on a separate axis from animation, though, essentially meaning we'd have (potentially) 4D tiles.
I'm also in the process of resurrecting the shader-mode output (and retiring many of the others; they're pointless nowadays), which would allow such tiles to be algorithmically generated in realtime; both the current time and absolute location will be available in the shader. (Using a shader is probably the only way to get enough horsepower for this without slowing DF down, and we wouldn't want *that*.)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 09, 2010, 03:06:19 pm
Baughn: Just to clarify; All you get passed for rendering purposes is an ascii tile number and colours, no context as to what the tile is actually being used for?
Also, when you say your implementing animation, in what capacity? tileset.png will have multiple frames? Or every tile will be a separate .png with its own frames or what?
I guess the perfect ideal would be (the option of) separate animated sequences for every character and item, and every possible state.
But realistically, small looped animations of trees swaying and water rippling sort of stuff would be a good start.
The possibility of using shaders to generate tiles is interesting...
Also - Miasma/smoke/etc. - Any way to draw those with transparency over whatever is under that tile?
Edit: It's actually possible to imply some context about things from the tile number and colours. Dwarf status indicators for example?
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Indicator
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 03:13:27 pm
Baughn: Just to clarify; All you get passed for rendering purposes is an ascii tile number and colours, no context as to what the tile is actually being used for?Correct.
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Also, when you say your implementing animation, in what capacity? tileset.png will have multiple frames? Or every tile will be a separate .png with its own frames or what?Well, that depends on exactly what is required. Making each frame of each tile a separate PNG, with a separate animation descriptor for the whole thing that lets you specify e.g. cycle speed, all stored in a tarball.. is an option. It really depends on what you ask for.
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I guess the perfect ideal would be (the option of) separate animated sequences for every character and item, and every possible state.Right. As mentioned, I don't actually get any state information at the moment. That might change later, of course, but right now all I get is "that's a hammerdwarf". I'm also inclined to think that using opengl shaders to generate the animation will probably give better results in a lot of cases.
But realistically, small looped animations of trees swaying and water rippling sort of stuff would be a good start.
Post by: Ironhand on August 09, 2010, 03:52:39 pm
Or separated out tiles. Or overlaid engravings on walls. Etc etc.
If you're really set on doing animation, do whatever you want.
I don't really care, because I'm not all that excited about it.
Is he a rice farmer?.
I used to use mayday exclusively,but after trying your set i kinda prefer it,though i miss the bigger images esp dwarfs.
That is a really old sprite. I guess he still looks more or less like that, just with a pitchfork.
And yes, he is a farmer.
I don't think I understand your complaint, though. My sprites are the biggest ones around...
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 03:54:16 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 09, 2010, 04:00:22 pm
Post by: Minty on August 09, 2010, 04:22:33 pm
Post by: Jayce on August 09, 2010, 05:12:31 pm
Post by: Solace on August 09, 2010, 06:01:48 pm
I think I can get Toady to pass me the absolute map location, which would translate to knowing the absolute location of any given tile. If we use *that* as an index, things should look good. It would be on a separate axis from animation, though, essentially meaning we'd have (potentially) 4D tiles.Ah, that'd be pretty cool. Even if you couldn't choose a frame of context, you could at least have a random set of tiles for things and stop big open areas from looking so, well, tiled.
EDIT: Come to think of it, would tiles that change (get dug out, smoothed, or just move) mess up the indexing thing?
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 06:10:25 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 09, 2010, 06:56:07 pm
Like if we could get... maybe walls, or something... to work like rough ground.
That would be cool for trees and stuff too. I dunno if any of it's possible, though...
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 07:02:19 pm
Post by: LucasUP on August 09, 2010, 07:43:34 pm
Post by: Ladde on August 09, 2010, 07:49:54 pm
Is it hard to make sprites to tilesets? If not, I'd like to try.
First off I'd like to change thrones and bins!
I'm playing Genesis Mod, I don't know if it has the most updated version. But would you know how to update it if so?
Cheers.
Post by: Ironhand on August 09, 2010, 07:57:42 pm
If you just want to change the tileset, that's the easiest sort of modding there is!
I'd suggest taking somebody's and changing it rather than starting from scratch.
That's what I did and it helps a lot to get a basic feel for what goes where.
Anyway, just open up one of our tilesets (mine is 18x18. Many are 16x16)
and start changing stuff! If you want to change raw definitions for stuff,
that's just a matter of changing some flags in the raw files. But keep in
mind that you can only define raws for MINERALS, ANIMALS, and PLANTS.
Everything else just uses one tile, and wherever it's at is where it's at.
Thrones are down there near the walls. Bins are the X
(but keep in mind it'll be used for everything else X is used for,
including the cursor, and Xs in text (goblin names, I guess?), and floodgates).
Post by: LucasUP on August 09, 2010, 08:26:57 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=63404.msg1472005#msg1472005
Yep.
Post by: Baughn on August 09, 2010, 08:59:55 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on August 09, 2010, 09:37:38 pm
Post by: LucasUP on August 09, 2010, 09:40:19 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 09, 2010, 10:08:10 pm
Speaking of which, I just spent way too long making new versions of the rough ground tiles and tweaking almost every single tile. Everything has outlines now, even totally remade a couple of things - Check it out and let me know what you think:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: HeliumFreak on August 10, 2010, 12:16:22 am
*Edited to actually add some constructive criticism as apposed to criticism
Post by: pugi on August 10, 2010, 01:45:20 am
Post by: Vince on August 10, 2010, 01:48:19 am
And Baughn, if you've got the absolute tiles:
Would it be possible to have tile transitions or at least "surrounding aware"-tiles?
Like discussed here:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=43260.3630
Post by: Prastary on August 10, 2010, 04:47:02 am
Speaking of which, I just spent way too long making new versions of the rough ground tiles and tweaking almost every single tile. Everything has outlines now, even totally remade a couple of things - Check it out and let me know what you think:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The skull looks silly, like some talking head from Planescape Torment. The ground tiles are ugly blurry, I miss the original rough ground tiles. The coffins are super ugly, like cut from paper.
And there is still this ugly toy-crown in the tileset.
Post by: Harmonica on August 10, 2010, 05:11:30 am
I'm not sure if your outlines might have broken some of the tiling WormSlayer. Also I can't really tell what is and isn't outlined but overall the effect to me is that it looks a bit cartoony. Although some things might look better with a bit more pop.
Post by: Jiri Petru on August 10, 2010, 05:17:53 am
Post by: Baughn on August 10, 2010, 05:59:10 am
I Love the new tiles, WormSlayer, and agree to HeliumFreak.I don't even need absolute tiles for that. Sure, why the heck not?
And Baughn, if you've got the absolute tiles:
Would it be possible to have tile transitions or at least "surrounding aware"-tiles?
Like discussed here:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=43260.3630
Post by: Vince on August 10, 2010, 06:10:05 am
I don't even need absolute tiles for that. Sure, why the heck not?
Oh god, I am so thrilled for that!
This will improve the graphics MASSIVELY. (Especially with my dwarves stomping grass to dirt in mere seconds, dirt/sand EVERYWHERE)
Post by: Foamy on August 10, 2010, 06:40:56 am
Also would it be possible to give murky water a different colour to regular water?
Post by: Ironhand on August 10, 2010, 07:18:07 am
Sure, why the heck not?
DUDE!!! EXCITED!!!
The skull looks silly, like some talking head from Planescape Torment. The ground tiles are ugly blurry, I miss the original rough ground tiles. The coffins are super ugly, like cut from paper.
And there is still this ugly toy-crown in the tileset.
Hey, stop abusing WormSlayer. That's my job.
And anyway, do you really dislike the new ground?
...because I think it's SPECTACULAR!
It makes everything show up so much better!
And rough walls are so well-distinguished against it!
Unless you guys have some compelling arguments otherwise, I'm a fan.
The only thing they aren't great about is tile edges (they show up more).
But those squares will go away once we get our surrounding-aware tiles!
As for the skulls and the crown and the coffins, though, I kinda agree.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 07:36:55 am
The skull looks silly, like some talking head from Planescape Torment. The ground tiles are ugly blurry, I miss the original rough ground tiles. The coffins are super ugly, like cut from paper.
And there is still this ugly toy-crown in the tileset.
My new #1 fan? Love you too man!
I think the ground tiles should be brightened up a bit, looks fine otherwise :)
They should be about the same relative brightness as before, but now they dont have as much contrast. Should help foreground objects stand out a bit more. The tiling is also still pretty seamless, look at this shot where the red mushrooms match the colour of the ground tile:
(http://i.imgur.com/UaqkI.png)
I don't even need absolute tiles for that. Sure, why the heck not?Now that would be a sweet new feature!
Post by: Ironhand on August 10, 2010, 07:37:43 am
Actually, Baughn, if I could ask for one thing, ever, you know what it would be?
It would be separate backgrounds, with objects overlaid on top of them.
...but surrounding-friendly tiles would be very cool, too.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 07:43:08 am
separate backgrounds, with objects overlaid on top of them.
The problem with this is that we already use the alpha channel for background colours. Could maybe use a second tile sheet for transparency?
Or if Baughn wants to totally remake how it works; One tile sheet for background coloured bits and another one for foreground coloured bits, both with a proper alpha channel for blending with ground tiles.
Also thinking back to Baughn's mention of fixing up the shader support - Animated perlin noise or something on fluid tiles may be nice?
Post by: Maldevious on August 10, 2010, 07:46:09 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 10, 2010, 07:51:15 am
Hey, mushrooms is mushrooms. When they's little, you've gotta go by color.
From our point of view, it's not worth making another baby mushroom tile because they're all baby mushrooms.
Although, we might make a cluster of mushrooms later, which I guess you could use for one but not the other.
Animated noise?? Does that mean we could actually get WHITE flecks on our water??
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 08:00:38 am
In theory full shader support would give us the ability to do animated, rippling, foamy, reflective, refractive, etc. water. Hell we could probably even do that nice shoreline effect where it meets ground tiles :D
Post by: Foamy on August 10, 2010, 08:03:17 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 08:21:24 am
As part of last nights overhaul, I also remade every tree so they look less crappy when marked for felling :P
(http://i.imgur.com/G5Nlu.png)
Post by: Ironhand on August 10, 2010, 08:32:16 am
That's why I'm not getting any art done.
That was bothering me before. Now it is lovely.
Post by: Baughn on August 10, 2010, 09:50:53 am
This means we have to generate the combinations in realtime, which is impossible in 2D mode and.. hard, in most of the opengl modes. In practice, it'll pretty much have to require shader mode, and probably also involve bundling shader code with the tileset in question. Not really a big deal, but more work than you're used to; I'll help, of course.
It'll also be useful to have textures that aren't associated with individual tiles, in order to blend them with ones that are.
So, ignoring graphics-mode's extra tiles for the moment, I'm envisioning a system something like this:
- Instead of a tileset, you supply a tarball/zipfile containing lots (and lots) of numbered PNGs. 0.png, 1.png, etc. Current tilesets would still be readable (backwards-compatibility is nice), but wouldn't get the extra bonuses.
- You can supply *any number* of those numbered PNGs.
- In the shader, you have four inputs:
* The current time (in milliseconds since DF start)
* The absolute location of the current tile, i.e. relative to the entire map
* The relative location of that tile, i.e. to the window
* The background/foreground color and CP437 index of *all* the visible tiles. You'd access the data for your current tile by using the relative tile-location as an index.
Additionally, you have access to a texture array, where each texture in that texture array matches up with the same numbered texture in the supplied tileset zipfile.
At that point.. well, you can do pretty much whatever you want. There will be a default set of shaders in data/art that act about the way it works today, which are overridden by any shaders in the zipfile; I'll be using both vertex and fragment shaders, as anything that's calculated the same way for every pixel in a tile (like, its foreground/background color and texture index) shouldn't be calculated per-pixel.
Sound good? This way, you won't get a slowdown almost no matter what you do. :)
Post by: Ironhand on August 10, 2010, 10:01:34 am
You're making it sound like this is already possible... :o
Looks like it's time for me to learn how to use shaders!
Post by: Baughn on August 10, 2010, 10:24:02 am
The only thing I can't add without input from Toady is the absolute location, but I imagine that even without that it'll be rather useful.
It's going to be an opengl 3.2-capable and above card only thing, though, because I'm not feeling like supporting half a dozen incomplete drivers anymore. :P
People with old hardware can use 2D mode. That's what it's there for.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 10:37:27 am
Technical stuff...
That all sounds quite different to how it currently works... Care to drop a couple of examples of what we could do with your proposed system?
The real problem with tile borders right now is the abrupt colour change rather than the actual tile graphics.
Post by: Rose on August 10, 2010, 11:06:27 am
The main problem with conditioning on surrounding tiles is the inevitable combinatorial explosion.there are ways around it.
your welcome to take a look at stonesense for one way to manage tileborders, though it currently only differentiates based on walls, floors, open space, and ramps, but it's something.
Post by: Aklyon on August 10, 2010, 11:12:44 am
It's going to be an opengl 3.2-capable and above card only thing, though, because I'm not feeling like supporting half a dozen incomplete drivers anymore. :Pis there a way to check what opengl version your computer is capable of?
People with old hardware can use 2D mode. That's what it's there for.
Post by: Baughn on August 10, 2010, 11:19:25 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 11:31:12 am
Post by: Tormy on August 10, 2010, 11:48:46 am
The main problem with conditioning on surrounding tiles is the inevitable combinatorial explosion.
This means we have to generate the combinations in realtime, which is impossible in 2D mode and.. hard, in most of the opengl modes. In practice, it'll pretty much have to require shader mode, and probably also involve bundling shader code with the tileset in question. Not really a big deal, but more work than you're used to; I'll help, of course.
It'll also be useful to have textures that aren't associated with individual tiles, in order to blend them with ones that are.
So, ignoring graphics-mode's extra tiles for the moment, I'm envisioning a system something like this:
- Instead of a tileset, you supply a tarball/zipfile containing lots (and lots) of numbered PNGs. 0.png, 1.png, etc. Current tilesets would still be readable (backwards-compatibility is nice), but wouldn't get the extra bonuses.
- You can supply *any number* of those numbered PNGs.
- In the shader, you have four inputs:
* The current time (in milliseconds since DF start)
* The absolute location of the current tile, i.e. relative to the entire map
* The relative location of that tile, i.e. to the window
* The background/foreground color and CP437 index of *all* the visible tiles. You'd access the data for your current tile by using the relative tile-location as an index.
Additionally, you have access to a texture array, where each texture in that texture array matches up with the same numbered texture in the supplied tileset zipfile.
At that point.. well, you can do pretty much whatever you want. There will be a default set of shaders in data/art that act about the way it works today, which are overridden by any shaders in the zipfile; I'll be using both vertex and fragment shaders, as anything that's calculated the same way for every pixel in a tile (like, its foreground/background color and texture index) shouldn't be calculated per-pixel.
Sound good? This way, you won't get a slowdown almost no matter what you do. :)
I am kinda confused, but this sounds awesome. [I don't know too much about shaders etc....]
Also just a question: As we know, text + tiles will be separated in the upcoming versions. Basically this means that we can create custom gfx for each and every tile in the game [1 tile -> 1 image, so for example X won't be used to display 3 different things], or that still won't be possible?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 11:59:33 am
... so for example X won't be used to display 3 different things], or that still won't be possible?
Still wont be possible :(
(I'm actually trying to do something with X right now... It's not pretty...)
Post by: MatrexsVigil on August 10, 2010, 12:01:25 pm
I also vote that the skull looks silly. I'd go with more of a skull and crossbones or piled skeleton myself.
Post by: Ironhand on August 10, 2010, 12:10:20 pm
the ground tile on that level, and
the "next z-level" tile for the one below,
and fade them from one to the other.
I feel like I saw a mock-up for that ages ago...
Post by: Soralin on August 10, 2010, 12:24:08 pm
The red of the mushrooms matches the black of the ground? :) I had to set the contrast and brightness of my monitor to maximum to even see that there was anything there at all. Although I am using a rather old monitor still.I think the ground tiles should be brightened up a bit, looks fine otherwise :)They should be about the same relative brightness as before, but now they dont have as much contrast. Should help foreground objects stand out a bit more. The tiling is also still pretty seamless, look at this shot where the red mushrooms match the colour of the ground tile:
(http://i.imgur.com/UaqkI.png)
Post by: Vince on August 10, 2010, 12:37:16 pm
The red of the mushrooms matches the black of the ground? :) I had to set the contrast and brightness of my monitor to maximum to even see that there was anything there at all. Although I am using a rather old monitor still.
It's perfectly clear to see at my end. Red mushrooms, dark red ground.
Your monitor must be REALLY bad. Consider buying a new one, if that's possible - your eyes will thank you. :)
Post by: Tormy on August 10, 2010, 01:14:07 pm
... so for example X won't be used to display 3 different things], or that still won't be possible?
Still wont be possible :(
(I'm actually trying to do something with X right now... It's not pretty...)
Oh well....:)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 01:18:27 pm
Post by: Scaraban on August 10, 2010, 01:56:02 pm
Post by: Vince on August 10, 2010, 02:19:33 pm
What Vince said, but more politely :PSorry, I didn't mean to be rude. :(
Post by: Ironhand on August 10, 2010, 02:28:12 pm
is there anyway i can use a graphics pack preferably yours on the mixmod? the ascii isdriving me insaneturning me into a dwarf
Sure...
If you just use my raw/graphics and data/art and data/init folders,
you'll get most of it just like that. The part that'll be weird is that
minerals and stuff will not be set to use my tiles, so they'll look weird.
For that, you'll want to use my raw/inorganic... files
(inorganic_gems, and inorganic_stone, etc etc etc).
But I don't know if mixmod does its mods within those
files, or if it has separate files for all the modded stuff.
If it's all within the files, you could have some problems.
Give it a shot, though, and see what happens. It might work.
Post by: Soralin on August 10, 2010, 03:28:50 pm
I didn't see it as rude, I really do need to get a new monitor. :) It works well enough other than at distinguishing darker shades apart.What Vince said, but more politely :PSorry, I didn't mean to be rude. :(
Post by: Prastary on August 10, 2010, 03:31:59 pm
The skull looks silly, like some talking head from Planescape Torment. The ground tiles are ugly blurry, I miss the original rough ground tiles. The coffins are super ugly, like cut from paper.
And there is still this ugly toy-crown in the tileset.
My new #1 fan? Love you too man!
(Wow, half a day without internet and two pages of posts...)
Don't take it personally, WormSlayer. Next time I will post something positive with all this criticism, like a picture of something nice:
(http://sungrubbies.net/Web%20images/HappyFaceSun.jpg)
Post by: Baughn on August 10, 2010, 04:36:39 pm
That all sounds quite different to how it currently works... Care to drop a couple of examples of what we could do with your proposed system?Well, you could for example have each tile look up the colors of itself and its neighbour, and make them merge softly - for tile combinations where that makes sense.
The real problem with tile borders right now is the abrupt colour change rather than the actual tile graphics.
Or you could make water-next-to-soil use a different image to water-next-to-water.
Or make animated magma.
You'll see. :)
Post by: HeliumFreak on August 10, 2010, 04:38:52 pm
Any chance of some CUDA utilization? :)
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Or you could make water-next-to-soil use a different image to water-next-to-water.
Does this mean you could possibly draw a small shoreline on the water-mud tiles so they dont look like squares?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 05:25:29 pm
Don't take it personally, WormSlayer. Next time I will post something positive with all this criticism, like a picture of something nice:
(http://sungrubbies.net/Web%20images/HappyFaceSun.jpg)
:D
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. :(
:D
Does this mean you could possibly draw a small shoreline on the water-mud tiles so they dont look like squares?
I'm pretty sure thats what he's talking about :D
Pop quiz time: What is the "A" in the farm workshop supposed to represent? Or at least what should I make it?
I'm thinking a little set of farming tools - pitchfork, spade, etc.
Post by: Theodolus on August 10, 2010, 06:47:29 pm
In seriousness though, a pile of farmer's tools would be cool. Also, haven't posted up in a while but have to say that the tileset is going great! And the new graphics improvements that Baughn is talking about, are going to be amazing! Hadn't checked the thread in a few days and came back and had my head blown off by the amount of win present.
Any chance of an interim tileset from you Wormy? :D I'd love a chance to play with the new stuff you've been talking about.
Post by: HeliumFreak on August 10, 2010, 06:52:55 pm
Post by: Harmonica on August 10, 2010, 06:55:05 pm
It's an exciting time for DF graphics :D
As part of last nights overhaul, I also remade every tree so they look less crappy when marked for felling :PSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Niiice (designated) trees! And I take back what I said about not liking the outlining effect - that shot with the mushrooms and whatnot has won me over :D
This graphics advancement talk is very cool, I just hope my several-years-old laptop can still run it. The new DF is silky smooth but previous versions have tended to suddenly start eating CPU like crazy, and I'm not sure if the opengl requirements will do that.
Post by: Baughn on August 10, 2010, 06:56:29 pm
Most of these advancements will only be available in shader mode. I'm not going to do anything to 2D mode; you may not be able to get the updated graphics, but you should still be able to get the current ones without issue.
Post by: Harmonica on August 10, 2010, 06:59:41 pm
I mean, my laptop has a pretty solid Radeon card and it's a dual core, it can do the graphics, it just tends to overheat when things get very busy.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 06:59:48 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Taali.png)
Here is the test version I'm working on right now. (http://wormslayer.com/test01.rar) Be warned - This is designed for release after we can use fonts for text!
I mean, my laptop has a pretty solid Radeon card and it's a dual core, it can do the graphics, it just tends to overheat when things get very busy.
I still get FPS death on an i7 if I do silly things :F
Post by: Maldevious on August 10, 2010, 08:52:52 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on August 10, 2010, 08:55:40 pm
Really like that boulder. Very bouldery.
heck yeah it freakin rocks! >.>
Post by: cganya on August 10, 2010, 09:17:08 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 10, 2010, 09:48:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7p2sB.png)
The thing in the bottom left is one of *those* tiles that I'm not sure what do do with...
"Trade depot post, glass portal, Tile in Farm Workshop"
Post by: Ounce on August 10, 2010, 10:08:07 pm
I'm not really sure what use a sawhorse would have in processing plants or milking cows, but there you go. :v
Post by: Solifuge on August 10, 2010, 10:47:34 pm
Spoiler: Example (click to show/hide)
Believe it or not, these tiles are made up of approximately 2 tile models per material (grass, dead grass, cobblestone, solid stone, water, and boulder) The grass is interspersed with stones that both resemble the cobblestone, and the solid stone, and can be used to mesh with them. With some crafty design, you can drastically limit the "transitional tiles" you need to make the tiles look good, and as though they blend well.
Post by: Harmonica on August 11, 2010, 01:43:18 am
Farm Workshop:
(http://i.imgur.com/7p2sB.png)
The thing in the bottom left is one of *those* tiles that I'm not sure what do do with...
"Trade depot post, glass portal, Tile in Farm Workshop"
Make it into a wheel from a cart. That would look okay as a glass portal as well and also for the trade depot.
Post by: Thundrim on August 11, 2010, 03:44:29 am
Farm Workshop:
(http://i.imgur.com/7p2sB.png)
The thing in the bottom left is one of *those* tiles that I'm not sure what do do with...
"Trade depot post, glass portal, Tile in Farm Workshop"
Make it into a wheel from a cart. That would look okay as a glass portal as well and also for the trade depot.
That thing grabs the prize for the most curious looking implementation seen in DF at any rate.
It is nice to see that the future arrives soon, tomorrow will feel like yesterday with all these new and exciting features coming up!
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Post by: pugi on August 11, 2010, 03:57:16 am
Best would be if someone would build every workshop/building/construction and write down what tile is really used for which building and then update the wiki.
Post by: dennislp3 on August 11, 2010, 05:14:46 am
Don't trust the wiki page for the tile usage that much, the O is also used for single pieces of constructed/smoothed walls and the ends of those. I guess there are a few more things missing.
Best would be if someone would build every workshop/building/construction and write down what tile is really used for which building and then update the wiki.
Sounds great! *pats you on the back and hands you the proper tools to do it* :P
Post by: pugi on August 11, 2010, 05:41:21 am
Don't trust the wiki page for the tile usage that much, the O is also used for single pieces of constructed/smoothed walls and the ends of those. I guess there are a few more things missing.
Best would be if someone would build every workshop/building/construction and write down what tile is really used for which building and then update the wiki.
Sounds great! *pats you on the back and hands you the proper tools to do it* :P
I would, but i am currently at work ;)
Post by: dennislp3 on August 11, 2010, 06:00:08 am
Don't trust the wiki page for the tile usage that much, the O is also used for single pieces of constructed/smoothed walls and the ends of those. I guess there are a few more things missing.
Best would be if someone would build every workshop/building/construction and write down what tile is really used for which building and then update the wiki.
Sounds great! *pats you on the back and hands you the proper tools to do it* :P
I would, but i am currently at work ;)
Bah! I am sure your boss wont mind lol...seems like the favorite work time activity of DF players....lurking the forums waiting to play once again lol...
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 08:05:27 am
....the O is also used for single pieces of constructed/smoothed walls and the ends of those.
Actually, no, we use a different tile for pillars now.
But the O is still used for unfinished constructed walls.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 11, 2010, 08:09:13 am
* - At least I think they are. It's been a while since I last had a good fort mode game.
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 08:15:35 am
And it's always either green or red, so Wormy can do his fancy channel-magic if he wants to.
Post by: Vince on August 11, 2010, 08:29:02 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 08:33:15 am
D, W, and X.
Oh, X, how we love you.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 08:34:21 am
Best would be if someone would build every workshop/building/construction and write down what tile is really used for which building and then update the wiki.
I am updating the wiki as I go through the tileset and find things it doesnt list.
Speaking of which, constructed objects get highlighted with a capital C* when you designate things. How about a tile for that?
Good point, that we can do something with!
What about the trade depot accessibility screen - weren't there letters, too?
Yeah - W, D, and the dreaded X.
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 10:00:00 am
It shows up in the mason's workshop and furnaces...
I'm thinking maybe just a pile of bars/bricks.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 11:04:33 am
We could really use something new for o, as well.
It shows up in the mason's workshop and furnaces...
I'm thinking maybe just a pile of bars/bricks.
For now I've put a rotated copy of the well in that slot. Doesnt look too weird in workshop/furnace and may make working millstones look animated?
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 11:07:38 am
Now I want to build a mill to check it out.
Post by: MonkeyHead on August 11, 2010, 11:23:33 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 01:13:41 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: pugi on August 11, 2010, 01:49:07 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on August 11, 2010, 01:54:36 pm
Whoops.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
....dude...your stuffs on fire...curious as too why the trees aren't burning though. In real life I know some trees manage to escape small brush fires but it seems odd that they are all untouched
Post by: cameron on August 11, 2010, 02:09:36 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 02:37:40 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 02:58:14 pm
and buildings are also immune to damage from brush fires.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 04:22:14 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4mfdR.png)(http://i.imgur.com/dSj0T.png)(http://i.imgur.com/tj6XJ.png)
Not sure what it looks like as a glass portal...
Also not really sure what to do for the flashing green construction designation - suggestions welcome! :)
Post by: Baughn on August 11, 2010, 04:23:38 pm
Shader-mode will allow you to select tile graphics based on color, if you want. Would that be useful?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 05:28:37 pm
Well, I can't split tiles myself, but -
Shader-mode will allow you to select tile graphics based on color, if you want. Would that be useful?
Potentially this could be very useful but the issue is muddied (:P) by fluids and powders contaminating tile colours.
Also changed SKY and CHASM to tile 0 so Open Space looks different to "ground 1 level down" and (subtly) different to undug ground:
(http://i.imgur.com/9Lw75.png)
Post by: Harmonica on August 11, 2010, 06:42:24 pm
What about the trade depot accessibility screen - weren't there letters, too?
Yeah speaking of which, if there's anyway that the depot check screen can be made less eye-searingly painful to look at, through slowing down the animation or dulling the brightness of the colours.. that would be so awesome.
So I made a little wheel thingy:Not sure what it looks like as a glass portal...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also not really sure what to do for the flashing green construction designation - suggestions welcome! :)
That is a perfect 18px rendering of a cartwheel :D It looks good in the farm but maybe not so much in the trade depot?
However... something that I like to do to the 'solid colour' tile (used in the depot) is to add smoothed edges to it (just a tiny anti-aliasing/bevel along the 1px edge). If you did that, I think that the wheel might not look quite so out of place against the hard lines of the rock.
Post by: Harmonica on August 11, 2010, 06:45:35 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 07:01:18 pm
That was mostly just for when I was playing around with text, which is now a moot point.
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 07:02:16 pm
Yay. I don't know who did it, but thanks!
It makes us feel like a real graphics set!
Post by: Harmonica on August 11, 2010, 07:14:32 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 07:48:37 pm
eye-searing
Ignoring the fact that it uses "that damn tile", toning the colours down does help, but the entire screen flashing on and off is still horrible. My eyes are bleeding just from testing a few different things O.o
(http://i.imgur.com/Otk6M.png)
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 07:52:17 pm
X is used for places wagons can't get to: that's the red stuff.
Green is wagon-accessible, and I think it uses a W. And
the yellow one is of course the Depot itself. It uses D.
So those could all be different tiles if we want.
Although, I don't really know how much it'll help...
Or are you not testing Depot access?
So... how much have we done that you guys aren't playing with yet?
I'm always using the version that's hot off the printer, so to speak,
so I forget when it's been, like, a whole week since I've released anything.
Maybe tomorrow I'll get some more spriting done. No promises yet...
Anyway, I think I can get a version out to you guys this weekend.
It might be Friday. It might be Saturday. It won't be huge, but it'll be nice.
New plants and newish trees and a bunch of just trivial fixes and patches.
Plus, of course, anything else me'n WormSlayer crank out before then.
I think I'll try and do some spriting tomorrow. We'll see how it goes.
Post by: Baughn on August 11, 2010, 08:14:40 pm
There are some tiles that occur both as components of certain workshops and elsewhere, right?
Well, in shader-mode you can differentiate between those two cases by grabbing the values for the tiles *next* to your ambiguous tile, and deciding based on that.
I can hardly wait. :P
..I'll try to hurry up so I can get it back in for next release. Should work.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 08:20:05 pm
Hum. It's not exactly as nice as fixing it in DF, but here's a nice trick.
There are some tiles that occur both as components of certain workshops and elsewhere, right?
Well, in shader-mode you can differentiate between those two cases by grabbing the values for the tiles *next* to your ambiguous tile, and deciding based on that.
I can hardly wait. :P
..I'll try to hurry up so I can get it back in for next release. Should work.
That should help with the colour contamination problem! So many new things to consider... My brain hurts... :D
Edit: Wait a minute... So we can basically have nice sloped ramps facing the right direction? O.o
Edit 2: Mind = blown... I was wondering what to do with so many free tiles once we get the letters... Now I'm again worried we wont have nearly enough for all the possible awesome...
Or are you not testing Depot access?
No I was, I just put the same tile in all the slots for testing purposes.
I think I'm actually gonna go back to pure black for underground tiles, if nobody's opposed.
That was mostly just for when I was playing around with text, which is now a moot point.
I tried putting it back to black, but I'm so used to the faint texture now it looked weird :P
Post by: Ironhand on August 11, 2010, 09:11:53 pm
Still haven't seen any of it in action.
If you're messing with us, Baughn, I will cry.
I want to see this stuff. I wanna see it! Get to work!
(We could also do stuff like making deltas at river mouths on the world map...
...but that would be a lot of tiles designated to a fairly insignificant feature)
EDIT:BRAINSTORM
Errr, wait a second. Does this mean we can use ANY TILE for ANY OBJECT now?
That can't be right, can it? Is this really a fix for EVERYTHING? Can we use it to differentiate X?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 11, 2010, 09:46:11 pm
Errr, wait a second. Does this mean we can use ANY TILE for ANY OBJECT now?
Yeah basically - We just wont always be 100% certain if we *should* change a tile from what DF said to use.
For example; if there is a water tile next to a ground tile, its a sure bet that a water/ground transition would fit in there.
World map may be a good place where this could work wonders!
That can't be right, can it? Is this really a fix for EVERYTHING? Can we use it to differentiate X?[/color]
As for... "that tile"... Maybe... In a couple of places where it always appears next to something else... But in most cases it will be still just as ambiguous...
Post by: Ladde on August 11, 2010, 10:11:47 pm
Now alot of my dwarfs is just a black box, no art whatsoever.
Post by: soul4hdwn on August 11, 2010, 10:32:44 pm
I use Genisis Mod. And I updated the Ironhand tileset.
Now alot of my dwarfs is just a black box, no art whatsoever.
that is most likely because genesis has it's own dwarves and graphics for them.
which brings a nooby question: what happens if multiple graphic definitions exist for creatures?
Post by: Marrik on August 11, 2010, 10:54:30 pm
Post by: Harmonica on August 11, 2010, 11:20:11 pm
in shader-mode you can differentiate between those two cases by grabbing the values for the tiles *next* to your ambiguous tile, and deciding based on that.
Sounds great Baughn! How much of a processor hit do you think the tile checking will have?
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 12:20:11 am
Sounds great Baughn! How much of a processor hit do you think the tile checking will have?
None, because shaders use solely the GPU.
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 04:19:36 am
Okay, opinion poll time.
To support all this, I'm going to replace the current 16x16 tileset with a directory, as previously mentioned. So, which would you prefer? A single large tileset image plus a file telling DF how many tiles there are in the file, or one file per tile, for a minimum of 256 distinct image files?
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 05:37:21 am
http://www.gsarchives.net/index2.php?category=all&system=snes&game=final_fantasy_4&type=backgrounds&level0=non-animatedtiles&level1=BaronCastle
arent these sweet?
http://www.gsarchives.net/index2.php?category=all&system=wonderswan&game=final_fantasy&type=sprites&level0=non-animated
(http://www.gsarchives.net/wonderswan/final_fantasy/sprites/non-animated/Thief_walk_side002.gif) (http://www.gsarchives.net/wonderswan/final_fantasy/sprites/non-animated/WhiteMage_walk_front002.gif)
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that.
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A single large tileset image plus a file telling DF how many tiles there are in the file
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 05:39:54 am
Okay, opinion poll time.
I think I'm going to have to go with option 1: "A single large tileset image plus a file telling DF how many tiles there are in the file."
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 05:42:18 am
Many small files are hugely inefficient.
Minecraft has hundreds of very small files as a save file format.
The developer once implemented an updated save system with few, bigger files that reduced the loading time to 0.39% of the old time.
(Sadly, he reverted due to bugs.)
Post by: Tormy on August 12, 2010, 05:46:13 am
Indeed, though older GPUs might have problems.
Okay, opinion poll time.
To support all this, I'm going to replace the current 16x16 tileset with a directory, as previously mentioned. So, which would you prefer? A single large tileset image plus a file telling DF how many tiles there are in the file, or one file per tile, for a minimum of 256 distinct image files?
I'd go with option 1. [single large tileset + additional file]
Post by: Deon on August 12, 2010, 06:10:27 am
I think the last parsed is picked.I use Genisis Mod. And I updated the Ironhand tileset.
Now alot of my dwarfs is just a black box, no art whatsoever.
that is most likely because genesis has it's own dwarves and graphics for them.
which brings a nooby question: what happens if multiple graphic definitions exist for creatures?
No worries, I will update 3.0 (which should be out today) to the latest Ironhand set.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 07:28:35 am
And this means we're not limited to 256 tiles any more, right?
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 07:33:08 am
Non-shader modes will just use tiles 0 through 255, so you should /try/ to make those work on their own, but in the shader you just get a linear array of textures; you can mix and match them any way you like, using multiple tiles at ones if that's what fits.
And 1 it is, though I should mention that lots of little files are only inefficient on older filesystems. Btrfs or.. btrfs handles it fine. So would reiserfs, I suppose, if anyone still used that.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 07:35:19 am
Yay... I'm so excited.
Still a little fuzzy on how it all works, though.
I'm hoping you can give us an example of it in action.
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 08:01:33 am
Yep. That's a necessity, to make shaders work reasonably.So that would be "legacy mode" and we can use 256 onward - splendid!
Non-shader modes will just use tiles 0 through 255, so you should /try/ to make those work on their own, but in the shader you just get a linear array of textures; you can mix and match them any way you like, using multiple tiles at ones if that's what fits.
And 1 it is, though I should mention that lots of little files are only inefficient on older filesystems. Btrfs or.. btrfs handles it fine. So would reiserfs, I suppose, if anyone still used that.True, my comment was based on NTFS. I really need a proper linux machine! :D
Post by: Tormy on August 12, 2010, 08:13:56 am
A big sheet is easier on us, though.
Yay... I'm so excited.
Still a little fuzzy on how it all works, though.
I'm hoping you can give us an example of it in action.
Yeah, I am also confused a bit, so an example would be nice to have. :P
Post by: Marrik on August 12, 2010, 08:26:38 am
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 08:31:39 am
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That's a necessity, to make shaders work reasonably.
Let me ask you, Baughn:
So, you guys are tending to make playing impossible without relatively powerful gfx card now?
You know there are people with i.e. intel chips in laptops, that are not especially useful for shaders.
You did wonderful job with optimization so far, but i can feel incoming trouble for laptop users soon(you know, not everyone is rich here).
So, are we going to lose DF soon just because of these miracles?
What alternatives will we have..
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 08:38:46 am
If I understand correctly, all the 2d support isn't going anywhere.
And I plan to maintain the tileset even as I go off playing with the new stuff.
Post by: Marrik on August 12, 2010, 08:39:32 am
Post by: cameron on August 12, 2010, 08:42:15 am
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 08:45:00 am
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hazy on what he means by using shadersme too, you know, i am trying to imagine ogl shaders on device that processes it 400x SLOWER, than my desktop.
I am not about to use machine that needs 400 watts to draw df, that's reason i am trying to get info.
To be honest - any person that played ANY rpg like chrono trigger should know that using gfx doesn't need 800$ gfx card. It just needs proper coding.
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using a newer techniqueyeah, this equals more cash, not optimisations and proper coding, usually;/
Post by: cameron on August 12, 2010, 08:59:16 am
well i meant that since just drawing quads has become depreciated in ogl 3+ he might just be using the new recommended technique in shader mode or he might be trying something fancyQuoteusing a newer techniqueyeah, this equals more cash, not optimisations and proper coding, usually;/
--edit well i just found something on geometry shaders which sounds like it might have something to do with it
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 09:01:18 am
is there a map legend for this tileset anywhere?
Oh, sorry I missed your first post.
Uh... no, I'm not sure that there is.
But is the map really that hard to read?
Triangles are mountains, trees are forests.
Blue lines are rivers, white ones are roads...
If you're looking at them in the game, you
can just move the cursor over anything and
it'll tell you what it is and what it's called.
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 09:09:10 am
It works fine on my laptop's geforce 8600m.
Post by: Rose on August 12, 2010, 09:14:28 am
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 09:27:02 am
As to examples, you'll be getting one with full explanations once the code is done.
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 09:37:59 am
To be honest - any person that played ANY rpg like chrono trigger should know that using gfx doesn't need 800$ gfx card. It just needs proper coding.Quoteusing a newer techniqueyeah, this equals more cash, not optimisations and proper coding, usually;/
You can get a card that supports the needed shaders for <100€ (Though you can't upgrade most of the laptops)
Sadly, unless Toady implements it, we can only work around the current limitations - an that would be too CPU heavy, which is why you need shaders.
And to be honest: DF was never a game that went easy on your hardware.
Post by: Robsoie on August 12, 2010, 09:41:50 am
But then would this mean that those with such cards will not be able to play future DF versions with any graphic sets, as if those graphic sets apparently will have to use shaders, they will then not be properly displayed or just not displayed at all in 2D mode ?
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 09:46:30 am
Dude i do not like you;To be honest - any person that played ANY rpg like chrono trigger should know that using gfx doesn't need 800$ gfx card. It just needs proper coding.Quoteusing a newer techniqueyeah, this equals more cash, not optimisations and proper coding, usually;/
You can get a card that supports the needed shaders for <100€ (Though you can't upgrade most of the laptops)
Sadly, unless Toady implements it, we can only work around the current limitations - an that would be too CPU heavy, which is why you need shaders.
And to be honest: DF was never a game that went easy on your hardware.
i saw your moronic comment about buying monitor i other topic and i exactly know your kind;
do not tell me about buying anything, i am in computers for 24 years.
My main problem is, that with 0.12 i AM ABLE to use DF for fort >5 yrs old on my 2 yr old laptop without GFX CARD(because i DO NOT need gfx card with intel chip there - that ridiculous chip beats ALL cards i.e. in tvout handling/movie quality, while device is not made for gaming, it handles everything i need).
Now, when i see method for using dozens of MY tiles in incoming 0.13+, i hear i may buy gfx card for <100 whatever from you, and you seem to miss i am talking about LAPTOP.
My desktop is powerful enough for anything, but i am not going to pay 100$/monht for electricity more, just because some of you are happy with fullblown unknown method of using shaders.
What's my problem:
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July Donations: $3345.83
June Donations: $2364.29
May Donations: $3201.62
April Donations: $16104.49
March Donations: $4387.99
I assume this is a problem.
Gigantic amount of cash is flowing while all i can see so far is GREAT aspect of game and almost noobish methods for maintaing engine that drives it.
All logical, simple methods for changing gfx aspect is just skipped, all that saves situation is Ironhand, Mayday, and some people that said nothing about real problems related to actual gfx handling aspect so far.
So, Vince, do not tell me to spend 100 bucks for gfx card while i am able to emulate snes on my cellphone.
Do not make another boulder(Dwarvish term) with gfx requirements because it is RI-DI-CU-lous.
So, let Bughn explain to me - what is going to be used in 0.13.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 09:57:09 am
Anyway, I'm not entirely sure why you're fuming. I don't think he meant to insult you.
But I don't want to know. Just knock it off.
Anyway, I'm going to continue to maintain the 2d version of the set as well.
The sets I upload will have a tileset with them even after that's my main goal,
so that everyone can use at least some version of my graphics set if they want to.
So I put new floors under all the creatures and dwarves and stuff...
Also, an orangutan.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: cameron on August 12, 2010, 09:58:49 am
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that orangutan looks suspiciously like the gorilla
--edit
i feel the orangutan should be grinning
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Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 09:59:46 am
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Hey, this is my threadSorry for damaging your easy-going-ego, man.
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I will not have it become a battleground.You should be aware how problematic it is going to be. You craved font thingy just to hear it may be not used like that anymore lately. You lost your time then.
As leading person in gfx modes(let's say..) you should have...info about incoming methods, imho.
You are earning cash for author, man.
But you, guys are trembling before ANY criticism, i found it nonexplainable while so much cash people are paying for...nothing.
No more harassement from me, if you really think i am problem just by asking.
Good luck, Ironhand.
Post by: Marrik on August 12, 2010, 10:01:21 am
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 10:04:09 am
I'm removing nothing. Everything that works now will continue working, and I'm arranging the new graphics setup such that it should be easy to write tilesets that work both with the new and old system, to the point where one that doesn't can be considered broken.
So what's the downside, exactly?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 12, 2010, 10:04:54 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 10:05:43 am
But let's let it go.
@Marrik: Yes.
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 10:05:51 am
Hey, take it easy.
I'm removing nothing. Everything that works now will continue working, and I'm arranging the new graphics setup such that it should be easy to write tilesets that work both with the new and old system, to the point where one that doesn't can be considered broken.
So what's the downside, exactly?
None, if i can use freed tiles on noogl mode.
I just got feeling, that we may need ubermachine just for displaying something i saw 20 yrs ago(2d tiles).
Let's name it lack of real info + guys with advices for buying 100$+ gfx card..for...laptops.
Ridiculous ignorance.
Sorry, guys.
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Yeah. I don't really know what he's on about, either.That's clear. minus to respect for ya, dude from my side.
Have fun with water tiles..
Post by: dennislp3 on August 12, 2010, 10:10:16 am
A 7900GS won't cut it? Wait, why do you need to use 3.0 shaders? I, er... don't quite understand why it would make them so preferable to 2.0+ shaders. 2.0 model shaders are supported by cards as far back as Radeon 9600. Some old PCs that are otherwise adequate for playing DF (with a 2.something GHz single-core and a gig or two of RAM, for example) wouldn't be able to make use of what you're doing. Why go for high-tech? Are the features you're trying to do completely impossible with an older shader model?
aren't 3.0 shaders more efficient then the 2.0 ones?
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 10:11:15 am
A 7900GS won't cut it? Wait, why do you need to use 3.0 shaders? I, er... don't quite understand why it would make them so preferable to 2.0+ shaders. 2.0 model shaders are supported by cards as far back as Radeon 9600. Some old PCs that are otherwise adequate for playing DF (with a 2.something GHz single-core and a gig or two of RAM, for example) wouldn't be able to make use of what you're doing. Why go for high-tech? Are the features you're trying to do completely impossible with an older shader model?
aren't 3.0 shaders more efficient then the 2.0 ones?
on gfx CARDS, yes.
[topic unsuscribed, please, ignore me, i do not want to lose my account again just because of ASKING for ANYTHING. Cash fl... show must go on, happiness is mandatory(paranoia)]
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 12, 2010, 10:18:46 am
What's my problem:I can answer on that one, as can a lot of other people around here. Right now, (lack of) graphics support is what keeps the DF's playerbase from expanding. But graphics were never a central part of this game. Expansion of the playerbase through drastic measures such as graphics engine overhauls will only happen if the support of the playerbase ever becomes insufficient for the developer. Given the numbers you provided, it's still sufficient. Ergo, effort will be spent on improving the game itself, not its looks - which many find quite appealing, I must say.QuoteJuly Donations: $3345.83
June Donations: $2364.29
May Donations: $3201.62
April Donations: $16104.49
March Donations: $4387.99
I assume this is a problem.
Gigantic amount of cash is flowing while all i can see so far is GREAT aspect of game and almost noobish methods for maintaing engine that drives it.
All logical, simple methods for changing gfx aspect is just skipped, all that saves situation is Ironhand, Mayday, and some people that said nothing about real problems related to actual gfx handling aspect so far.
ninja edit:
Well, yes. But the question is - are they SO much more efficient that the boost is enough to offset the fact that half the playerbase won't be able to use it at all?A 7900GS won't cut it? Wait, why do you need to use 3.0 shaders? I, er... don't quite understand why it would make them so preferable to 2.0+ shaders. 2.0 model shaders are supported by cards as far back as Radeon 9600. Some old PCs that are otherwise adequate for playing DF (with a 2.something GHz single-core and a gig or two of RAM, for example) wouldn't be able to make use of what you're doing. Why go for high-tech? Are the features you're trying to do completely impossible with an older shader model?
aren't 3.0 shaders more efficient then the 2.0 ones?
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 10:30:31 am
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graphics support is what keeps the DF's playerbase from expanding.
1.
I really know what you are saying;
BUT, i am sure you know what direction DF may take, if it become java-phone-games era users point of interest.
Shallower and shallower way, that is. I can BET, that this is main thing, that makes ASCII fanatics really distanced to gfx matter(it's clearly visible for me on forum).
2.
Remember - FF series could have ok gfx in 16x16's on 3.6 mhz(please, LET cpu have these 2 ghz for pathfinding(and +10 z-levels uncovered), not for <15. y.o. java-games consumers').
That's all.
Maybe in perfect world it is ok to burn 400 watts of energy for 10+ hours gaming, i cannot afford that.
While my whinning is NOT related to IRONHAND job, i would gladly see Ironhand realizing why i posted my outburst here, ego's not needed, really, here
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Ergo, effort will be spent on improving the game itself, not its looksI like your way of explaining things, Sean;
i do know that.
But, there's quite amount of people that need just minimal, normal gfx 2d(TWO D) engine, that was made 25 years ago(tile, palette, assignement, that's all).
Direct2d's enough?
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 10:33:03 am
At the moment, those are EXT_texture_buffer_object and EXT_texture_array.
You can use GLView (http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/) to check whether your computer supports those or not.
Later, however, I will attempt to make things also work without them. Just not before I've got something that works at all. It may not even be possible to make shader-mode work fast without texture-buffer-object (couldn't make it do so before), but given that it's now got more features than just raw speed, I will certainly try to make it work.
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 10:35:05 am
Maybe in perfect world it is ok to burn 400 watts of energy for 10+ hours gaming, i cannot do that.Your GPU has a power-savings mode, probably several. Running DF's shader-mode on it is not going to make it power up very far, unless you're using a really badly written custom shader. On my laptop, it skips from the lowest power-saving mode to the second lowest, and that's just because, being a laptop GPU, the lowest-power mode has the shaders entirely offline.
Post by: Deon on August 12, 2010, 10:35:36 am
That's said not to say anything bad about our great tileset makers, I just mean that you overestimate the meaning of graphics in such deep game as DF. I could play it if it had 16 ASCII tiles but more depth :). I would really like most of the important stuff to be done first, the graphics are not important for an alpha.
Games like ADOM work well in pure ASCII and have huge playerbase :).
Post by: Rose on August 12, 2010, 10:42:31 am
good thing I don't actually use tilesets anyways, since it's so much more fun to develop stonesense.
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 10:48:36 am
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Dude i do not like you;Read again, I did not tell you to buy anything. I just commented on your claim that running shaders would need a 800$ gfx card.
i saw your moronic comment about buying monitor i other topic and i exactly know your kind;
do not tell me about buying anything, i am in computers for 24 years.
And I do not think that you know anything "about my kind". Rest assured, I'm not that kind of guy that buys only the newest alienware pc.
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My main problem is, that with 0.12 i AM ABLE to use DF for fort >5 yrs old on my 2 yr old laptop without GFX CARDAnd you WILL BE able to in the future.
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i hear i may buy gfx card for <100 whatever from you, and you seem to miss i am talking about LAPTOP.I said that you are unable to upgrade the gfx card on most laptops.
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I just got feeling, that we may need ubermachine just for displaying something i saw 20 yrs ago(2d tiles).DF already pushes the CPU to its limit, where are we supposed to get the number-crunching done, if not on the GPU? And you can't utilize the GPU without shaders.
The main problem is that we have a combinatoric issue at hand if we want the "surrounding-aware" tiles. The games of the SNES era did not have the problems we're having now, they had hand-made maps.
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 10:53:55 am
Post by: Rose on August 12, 2010, 10:55:10 am
allright, you know, i see slate stonesense 5 TIMES SLOWER than earlier one(while real advantages/differences for end-user are none);
if DF tends to be like that, i just wanted to be cleared about it, nothing more :( .
Sorry bout that.
I'm pretty much to blame for this
Post by: Deon on August 12, 2010, 10:55:38 am
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 11:01:00 am
allright, you know, i see slate stonesense 5 TIMES SLOWER than earlier one(while real advantages/differences for end-user are none);
if DF tends to be like that, i just wanted to be cleared about it, nothing more :( .
Sorry bout that.
I'm pretty much to blame for this
erm, uh, thanks for progress, but idd, actual stonesense stopped working like just 2d iso representation, it is lagging so much now, as it was ogl egoboo or sth;/
...i wish You luck in that awesome project, even if i do not use it now(400 watts draining desktop and power-saver laptop for choose, etc.).
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What do you mean by 16x2? You can use PNG with as many colors as you ever need.Deon, Deon... where can i get info about whole palette ways then;
you know i have 14 colors of ARROWS to make with unique colors and ONE tile?
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 11:01:49 am
What do you mean by 16x2? You can use PNG with as many colors as you ever need.
Aren't the fore-and background colors tinting/overwriting everything?
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 11:04:47 am
What do you mean by 16x2? You can use PNG with as many colors as you ever need.
Aren't the fore-and background colors tinting/overwriting everything?
that's wrong question for conscious ones...man. it IS that's the additional prob, lol!~.
ok, now lemme stfme, i really do not want to bew banned just for way i am trying to get information in crowd of very happy people(i can see clearly incoming woes, just that).
Ironhand, sorry for unexpected way of adding to your big topic...gl.
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 11:11:08 am
that's wrong question for conscious ones...man. it IS that's the additional prob, lol!~.
ok, now lemme stfme, i really do not want to bew banned just for way i am trying to get information in crowd of very happy people(i can see clearly incoming woes, just that).
Ironhand, sorry for unexpected way of adding to your big topic...gl.
Your concerns are valid.
Just rest assured, that you will be able to play DF like you can do now. Just some eye-candy is not available.
And until we have full graphics support (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php) we have to work around it (e.g. with shaders).
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 11:12:45 am
that's wrong question for conscious ones...man. it IS that's the additional prob, lol!~.
ok, now lemme stfme, i really do not want to bew banned just for way i am trying to get information in crowd of very happy people(i can see clearly incoming woes, just that).
Ironhand, sorry for unexpected way of adding to your big topic...gl.
Your concerns are valid.
Just rest assured, that you will be able to play DF like you can do now. Just some eye-candy is not available.
And until we have full graphics support (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php) we have to work around it (e.g. with shaders).
McBeer cancels cancelling open beer - opening beer then.
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Just rest assured, that you will be able to play DF like you can do nowThat's what i wanted to hear, really...
Sorry for being rude, and useless. i would add to the community, but i just have nothing for you, guys...
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 11:17:21 am
Sorry for being rude, and useless. i would add to the community, but i just have nothing for you, guys...
You made a nice gardening mod!
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 12, 2010, 11:24:51 am
I'm not depending on a particular shader model, I'm depending on particular extensions, because they speed things up.Wait, isn't what you're doing basically a graphics engine addon anyway? If so, DF won't receive a performance hit even if you make everything run in software. Well, most of the times. As long as the machine running it is dualcore, which even the lowliest laptops in shops around here are, netbooks excluded. What do you think? Would it be possible to swap out parts of your engine that are not supported, and replace them with software emulation on the fly?
At the moment, those are EXT_texture_buffer_object and EXT_texture_array.
You can use GLView (http://www.realtech-vr.com/glview/) to check whether your computer supports those or not.
Later, however, I will attempt to make things also work without them. Just not before I've got something that works at all. It may not even be possible to make shader-mode work fast without texture-buffer-object (couldn't make it do so before), but given that it's now got more features than just raw speed, I will certainly try to make it work.
Post by: Vince on August 12, 2010, 11:31:18 am
Wait, isn't what you're doing basically a graphics engine addon anyway? If so, DF won't receive a performance hit even if you make everything run in software. Well, most of the times. As long as the machine running it is dualcore, which even the lowliest laptops in shops around here are, netbooks excluded. What do you think? Would it be possible to swap out parts of your engine that are not supported, and replace them with software emulation on the fly?
You mean doing unsupported features in software?
This will bring the game to a crawl in most cases.
Post by: Deon on August 12, 2010, 11:34:27 am
Example (here's just a basic dwarven/miner/noble portrait set I've made in 2 minutes).
(http://i38.tinypic.com/i3i5jl.png)
Brown borders mean they are dwarves, but borders may have different colors to show the race/friendliness/whatever (i.e. one type of borders for animals, green for dwarves, blue for neutrals, red for siegers etc.)
P.S. The idea is to leave most of the stuff to your "imagination" (which is broken by overly detailed sets by some ASCII-elitist opinions) but to make it still beautiful enough and to let it deliver enough info.
Post by: Maldevious on August 12, 2010, 11:35:21 am
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 11:54:04 am
Partially true, partially false. It would be possible to do the neighbour testing in software; however, composing tiles would not work, so that removes most of the point.Wait, isn't what you're doing basically a graphics engine addon anyway? If so, DF won't receive a performance hit even if you make everything run in software. Well, most of the times. As long as the machine running it is dualcore, which even the lowliest laptops in shops around here are, netbooks excluded. What do you think? Would it be possible to swap out parts of your engine that are not supported, and replace them with software emulation on the fly?
You mean doing unsupported features in software?
This will bring the game to a crawl in most cases.
Combining textures (or making them in realtime) is what fragment shaders are for, after all. Might as well use them. Still, I'll take a look in another few months, after it's gotten some use; if there's anything I can reasonably do in software modes too that would be useful, I might.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 12:07:38 pm
Lets try and keep it slightly on topic guys :P
To reiterate: Any changes will not affect your current DF experience. You can either carry on exactly like now, or if you have the hardware and inclination, you can enable Cool New Stuff(tm).
Dont beat yourself up McBeer, your obviously passionate about DF and your planter mod is awesome :D
Deon: I like the character portraits - It's a shame you cant customise them based on the dorfs beard styling etc.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 12:31:22 pm
THE OUTLINE THING Like this:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/i3i5jl.png)
Eh, you know me.
I'm pretty much just a "gritty" art advocate.
I do an absolutely AWFUL job of actually PORTRAYING stuff.
So yeah, I'd kinda rather have natural-looking sprites than helpful ones.
That said, I'm curious to see how other people feel about this.
Change can be good.
Post by: Deon on August 12, 2010, 12:33:53 pm
I didn't ask you to change your tileset or something, I just wanted to know do you like the idea or not. I don't have time right now anyway to draw everything at once, but I may release this kind of a tileset in a near future.
Post by: Prastary on August 12, 2010, 12:38:06 pm
(http://i38.tinypic.com/i3i5jl.png)
P.S. The idea is to leave most of the stuff to your "imagination" (which is broken by overly detailed sets by some ASCII-elitist opinions) but to make it still beautiful enough and to let it deliver enough info.
I thought about such a thing, tiles like in board game, I hope that someday such project will be realised. Exactly as you said - "to leave most of the stuff to imagination, but to make it still beautiful enough", this is the reason that I dont like the introduction of isometry, 3d etc.
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BTW Would you like that DF be a full 3D game, with super-realistic graphics? I not, because it is not realism that inspire our imagination, but symbolism. So I hope that in making DF graphics more and more "realistic" there will be a moderation. I think that a good book or old board rpg game, or 2d Exile on PC is working more positive on our imagination than those new realistic 3d games.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 01:11:32 pm
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 01:13:05 pm
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BTW Would you like that DF be a full 3D game, with super-realistic graphics?no, but 25 y.o method for symbolism(final fantasy, i .e.) would make people FREE ;/
and please, realize that.
it would work on fockin, feeble netbooks, whole rest is still related to CPU.
i won't agree that my device, that with so called ZERO gfx(still able to work with HD material, better for it than my gf260gtx in desktop)) is under requirements for sth like final fantasy 6( gfx).
3d bs is way for destroying title for newb kids.
period.
Post by: Ladde on August 12, 2010, 02:09:08 pm
THE OUTLINE THING Like this:
(http://i38.tinypic.com/i3i5jl.png)
Eh, you know me.
I'm pretty much just a "gritty" art advocate.
I do an absolutely AWFUL job of actually PORTRAYING stuff.
So yeah, I'd kinda rather have natural-looking sprites than helpful ones.
That said, I'm curious to see how other people feel about this.
Change can be good.
I don't like it at all :)
I like the small dwarfs sprites. I think there is more variety in whole bodies than just portraits :)
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 02:14:14 pm
I'm getting pretty pumped about this upcoming version...
Post by: Ladde on August 12, 2010, 02:14:49 pm
Eeehehe, have you guys seen those new screenshots Toady's tossing around?Please link?
I'm getting pretty pumped about this upcoming version...
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 02:15:41 pm
Click any of those links in the post for today.
Post by: Prastary on August 12, 2010, 02:17:11 pm
I like the small dwarfs sprites. I think there is more variety in whole bodies than just portraits :)
I think that we are talking about a project apart from Ironhand sprites - those are of course unique and great.
(and I agree with you mcbeer about the case of using a 400W monster for graphics such as in DF - it is ...sad)
Post by: McBeer on August 12, 2010, 02:40:46 pm
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
Click any of those links in the post for today.
Nothin's here i couldn't see using PerfectWorldDF, but all right, you are tuned, super.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 03:23:04 pm
Post by: Prastary on August 12, 2010, 03:53:17 pm
Mostly I mean the farms and cottages stuff.Yes, I'm also very interested how it will look in your tileset!
Post by: Deon on August 12, 2010, 03:54:59 pm
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
Click any of those links in the post for today.
Nothin's here i couldn't see using PerfectWorldDF, but all right, you are tuned, super.
PerfectWorldDF cannot make farmlands, orchards and cottages with little bridges all over the place around cities :).
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 04:16:52 pm
Each tileset is a directory, let's say foo.
When DF opens the tileset, it reads a descriptor file - foo/tileset.txt. It might look something like this:
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A test tileset
base.png 16 16
extras.png 8 4
dwarves.png 4 10
The first line of the descriptor is the title, for use in the in-game tileset switching dialog. (Yes, you'll be able to do that while it's running, including a hotkey to reload it..)Each line below that links to one tileset file; these are loaded in order. The numbers after the filename denote the width and height of the tileset in tiles. The filename itself does not affect DF.
So, with the above example, you'd get 328 tiles. Number 0 through 255 would be base, 256 and up extras and dwarves. These are loaded into a texture array, in order; in a shader, you just refer to them with that number. In non-shader modes, 0 through 255 are used - these don't need to be all in the same file, by the way.
I've yet to decide what to do about graphics mode, but it will probably involve a buttload of programmatically written #defines to let you refer to the textures in shaders; in other words, textures from raw/graphics will get loaded at texture array indexes higher than those of the base tileset. You also get a #define GRAPHICS, so you can #ifdef out code if you want.. well, it's pretty flexible, but you don't have to use all this.
You may also have custom per-tileset shaders; foo/shader.fs and foo/shader.vs will override the default (example) ones in data/art.
(If the tileset referred to is an image file instead of a directory, it just loads a 16x16 tileset - same as today.)
Any questions? Objections?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 05:27:54 pm
Yeah that sounds pretty sweet to me? O.o
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 05:42:09 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 06:04:08 pm
:D
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 06:10:53 pm
Post by: Foamy on August 12, 2010, 06:23:28 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 06:23:57 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 06:27:11 pm
Like, if a creature is standing on a table, will it render the nearby tables and chairs as though that table were not there?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 06:30:20 pm
Although, I am curious. Does this all just apply to the floor/furniture tiles, or will creatures and dwarves screw it up.
Like, if a creature is standing on a table, will it render the nearby tables and chairs as though that table were not there?
Oh yeah... good point... That does complicate things a bit... Damn table dancing dorfs :P
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 06:33:39 pm
Post by: Foamy on August 12, 2010, 06:38:37 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 06:45:42 pm
rather than (necessarily) the one that's currently being displayed (animals, miasma, etc).
I feel like that might be stretching my luck, though.
EDIT:
Oh, wow. The full implications of the workshop thing are just hitting me.
We can make workshops look like WHATEVER THE HECK WE WANT.
They can have three-by-three-tile graphics! That's a 54x54 tile for each workshop!
Although, if the floor thing works the way I hope it doesn't,
the workshop will fall apart into its original components whenever anybody walks through it.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 07:08:19 pm
Will this thing be able to see what tile is actually being used for an object (/the ones around it),
or will it just be able to see a sort of vanilla DF view of the thing. (tile 123, color 3:2:1, or whatever)?
I ask because it would be incredibly cool if we could see what tiles we used to for other objects,
so that we could build huge multi-tile art objects and put them in the game.
I feel like it probably doesn't work that way, but if it does, that would be SO AWESOME!
We could do stuff like waves that work their way out from the shoreline,
or just huge waves that don't tile as often so they look better...
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 07:12:44 pm
Oh, here's one more question for Baughn:
Will this thing be able to see what tile is actually being used for an object (/the ones around it),
or will it just be able to see a sort of vanilla DF view of the thing. (tile 123, color 3:2:1, or whatever)?
I already asked him about this, right now all he gets to work with is the vanilla data, but he did mention something about Toady passing more tile info out to the renderer being a possibility?
Post by: Baughn on August 12, 2010, 08:26:55 pm
And sorry, the neighbour-checking scheme is bound to break down whenever a dwarf steps on one of said neighbours. There's really nothing I can do about it.. it also breaks down at the edges of the screen, though I suppose you could not show those.
Post by: Harmonica on August 12, 2010, 09:05:14 pm
So if you do the three-door-trick, could a tile do a check for [doors to E and W?]/[doors to N and S?] and then produce an extended entrance door spanning three tiles?
edit: same thing Ironhand basically just asked :P
Or do doors/any objects not count for checking purposes?
(http://i38.tinypic.com/331dkja.png)
Roger that.
Post by: Ironhand on August 12, 2010, 09:07:36 pm
Post by: Harmonica on August 12, 2010, 09:10:42 pm
So you build one door, it's just a normal door. Two doors, well maybe the game sees two doors next to each other and you get a widened door (ie, two tiles each half of a door). Three doors... yup.
You could go even further depending on how much tile checking you can do. So if you built two doors below, and then above, fortifications, say, maybe then you'd want to transform all those tiles into specific things so it becomes some kind of entrance gate.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 09:11:39 pm
This will actually be pretty radically awesome for mod makers - They can specify a particular layout of tiles as a custom workshop then set that to display anything they like from a now unlimited number of tile slots?
Things like ballista and catapult should be able to get a makeover in vanilla at least?
We can use also it to remove food crates from undug ground, maybe change them to boulders or something more suitable? Also maybe a nice little fade to black on the undug side of walls? :D
Daydreaming about watery ramps in photoshop:
(http://i.imgur.com/LBXXN.png)
Doors are a pain in my ass - Wooden doors look like engraved wall? - Check! Metal Doors look like stone? - Check! Glass doors look like trade posts or something? - Check! - Stone doors use the metal door icon while waiting to be hauled? - Check!
ಠ_ಠ
Post by: KillHour on August 12, 2010, 10:41:08 pm
As for animation, having the glowing pits pulse would be pretty awesome, as would ice randomly shimmering. Walls being dug out could look like there are rocks falling off of it, or something, as well.
Post by: MatrexsVigil on August 12, 2010, 11:14:48 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 11:24:16 pm
Do you have a link to your new tileset with the outlines and stuff? It looks so much better to me, and I'd like to use it now! =)
If you go back to page 142 there is a beta version of the newer changes. Use at your own risk! ;)
Baughn, you've really outdone yourself this time. Honestly, I'd like to go against the grain here, and support one tile per image. This would be easier for me, because I could just replace the file if I wanted, say, the door from another tileset. Of course, with the support for tile checking adjacent squares, there might be more than one door, so maybe there could be a "door" picture that's 3x3 or whatever with all the doors on it.
As for animation, having the glowing pits pulse would be pretty awesome, as would ice randomly shimmering. Walls being dug out could look like there are rocks falling off of it, or something, as well.
Yeah mad props to Baughn, it's a huge step towards removing the pain from making DF graphics!
With the proposed system you could have an entire sheet full of hundreds of doors and swap between them just by changing the tile number? I guess technical issues of "1 large file vs lots of small files" aside its more of a personal preference thing?
Also KillHour raises a good point - how does animation fit into this new scheme of yours Baughn? :P
Post by: Harmonica on August 12, 2010, 11:31:55 pm
Wormslayer: that transition between water and ground is exactly the sort of thing I would think is possible.. looks great.
Post by: MatrexsVigil on August 12, 2010, 11:32:54 pm
If you go back to page 142 there is a beta version of the newer changes. Use at your own risk! ;)
I see pages differently cause of either settings or this browser add-on (I can't remember), could you maybe post the link? I'd really appreciate it. =)
Post by: Harmonica on August 12, 2010, 11:34:08 pm
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1474500#msg1474500
Post by: WormSlayer on August 12, 2010, 11:39:31 pm
Here's another thing. Couldn't you actually light tiles based on their proximity to light sources? Outdoors = full bright, indoors less so. If a wall is engraved, maybe it could be considered to hold a sconce, thus lighting tiles around it.
In theory we can do all kinds of funky things, but there is no way to tell if a tile is outdoors from just tile number and colour :F
And yeah I meant that post, thanks :D
Post by: Ladde on August 12, 2010, 11:41:54 pm
Post by: Harmonica on August 13, 2010, 12:20:04 am
Here's another thing. Couldn't you actually light tiles based on their proximity to light sources? Outdoors = full bright, indoors less so. If a wall is engraved, maybe it could be considered to hold a sconce, thus lighting tiles around it.
In theory we can do all kinds of funky things, but there is no way to tell if a tile is outdoors from just tile number and colour :F
Yeah, probably, I was thinking about what tiles are always outdoors and whether they could check for those, or if a tile has a roof then it's obviously indoors. But no matter, that's probably A Kludge Too Far.
Still.. what about the idea of light sources? I mean it would increase the number of tiles directly, but for starters a simple photoshop action could apply a basic 'beam' of light overspill to tile edges. Then say if a tile is near a furnace, it gets replaced by a tile with light falling from the appropriate compass direction.
..if a floor is smoothed, and runs up against a wall, then the pattern could embellish around the edge. Hell, you could do away with tiled patterns altogether, so that single polished floors on their own worked okay, but when placed next to others, the patterns meshed.
Don't know if objects count as tiles for these purposes but you could have double beds for married dwarves, even.
The possibilites for interesting geological features are pretty awesome too, like gem formations that properly mesh and change as they are gradually dug out from the sides.
Post by: Vince on August 13, 2010, 01:33:11 am
Thing about double doors: They will be double if two doors stored are in a stockpile next to each other, though.
And about the workshop detecting:
We don't need to detect all 9 tiles, some workshops are distinct enough that it's enough to ignore some tiles (esp. the one where a dwarf stands when he's working)
It won't work if some dwarf walks across "important" walkable tiles, though.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 13, 2010, 02:41:02 am
Also, double doors can only become double doors if they're also surrounded by walls.
Post by: Spaghetti on August 13, 2010, 02:41:34 am
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 02:52:21 am
Post by: Harmonica on August 13, 2010, 03:24:11 am
I was actually wondering if you could create a workshop that was a graveyard, which required x number of coffins and produced a vampire. Ie, like Dungeon Keeper used to do it.
Post by: andfhe on August 13, 2010, 03:37:23 am
I think that it's a cool idea but I'm not sure whether dwarves would consider using graveyards.
I was actually wondering if you could create a workshop that was a graveyard, which required x number of coffins and produced a vampire. Ie, like Dungeon Keeper used to do it.
That would be interesting. Instead of one coffin for a noble, a bunch of coffins and he becomes immortal(so to speak)
Post by: Thundrim on August 13, 2010, 03:38:18 am
I think that it's a cool idea but I'm not sure whether dwarves would consider using graveyards.
Yeah, would look bad inside mountains... You got the general dump for emergencies. The Sarcophagus visualization is a must have, IMHO.
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Post by: andfhe on August 13, 2010, 03:40:19 am
I think that it's a cool idea but I'm not sure whether dwarves would consider using graveyards.
Yeah, would look bad inside mountains... You got the general dump for emergencies. The Sarcophagus visualization is a must have, IMHO.
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Well I think the point is to look good, not make sense.
But I do like the idea of headstones instead of coffins.
Post by: Harmonica on August 13, 2010, 03:50:18 am
My entrance ramp will be lined with these eery upright sarcophaguses (sarcophagii?)
Post by: andfhe on August 13, 2010, 03:54:30 am
I personally like the idea of statues instead of coffins OR headstones :) Or yes, a sarcophagus like Thundrim said. Damn, that's what I'm going to add in to my game later.
My entrance ramp will be lined with these eery upright sarcophaguses (sarcophagii?)
sarcophagi
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 03:55:06 am
And sarcofagi would work too. I just meant that we want some beautiful and complex tile if it repeats a lot (at least in my fortresses it does).
I want glorious graveyards inside of my fort :).
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 04:01:34 am
Also keep in mind that this will be as a shader. You can use almost arbitrary code (though if statements are slow and to be avoided), but you can also easily combine our generate tiles in realtime, which should cut down on the combinatorial explosion some.
Post by: McBeer on August 13, 2010, 04:52:37 am
That would be all.
Post by: Vince on August 13, 2010, 05:01:13 am
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You can use almost arbitrary code (though if statements are slow and to be avoided)How should we test the neighborhood of tiles without a considerable amount of if statements?
Or am I overlooking something here?
..hello, i'd like to apologize eveyone for my yesterday's posts. I'd like you to know i respect you guys, even if it looks different sometimes..Apology accepted! :)
That would be all.
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 05:23:41 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 07:07:50 am
So I'm totally stoked about changing all the .;`' tiles and the food crate tile when it's in the walls.
But I just thought of something that is just absolutely totally RIDICULOUS... You guys ready for this?
MULTI-TILE CREATURES.
What's that? I see a dragon in that tile?
Let's put wings to either side and a tail behind it!
You could use it to make trees span multiple tiles too!
...I dunno, will that actually work? = P
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 07:13:25 am
How should we test the neighborhood of tiles without a considerable amount of if statements?Well, first off, you can use if statements. "Slow" is not the same as "doesn't work", though it might end up the same on some older/laptop GPUs.
Or am I overlooking something here?
But there are usually alternatives. A simple example:
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int left = get_tile(x-1, y);Instead of writing that, which would be rather slow, you can do this:
int here = get_tile(x,y);
int right = get_tile(x+1, y);
out_tile = here;
if (here == DOOR) {
if (left == DOOR && right == DOOR)
out_tile = DOOR_CENTER;
else if (left == DOOR)
out_tile = DOOR_RIGHT;
else if (right == door)
out_tile = DOOR_LEFT;
}
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int left = get_tile(x-1, y);That's still got an if, but much fewer of them, and it's probably entirely possible to remove that one as well - I just haven't. Illustrative, I hope.
int here = get_tile(x,y);
int right = get_tile(x+1, y);
out_tile = here;
if (here == DOOR) {
int candidates[4] = int[](DOOR, DOOR_LEFT, DOOR_RIGHT, DOOR_CENTER);
out_tile = candidates[(left == DOOR) + (right == DOOR)*2];
}
(Oh, and I'll be providing functions like get_tile. Don't worry. Though the real one will provide tile id and color at the same time, to improve performance.)
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 07:14:27 am
Heck, you could use a geometry shader and do actual 3D. (Subject to input limitations. You don't get any more data to work with.)
Though I don't know what the performance of that would be. :P
Post by: Vince on August 13, 2010, 07:20:25 am
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Well, first off, you can use if statements. "Slow" is not the same as "doesn't work", though it might end up the same on some older/laptop GPUs.I know :)
Gah, that was it! *slaps forehead* Boolean arithmetics! I KNEW there was something I did not think about. I feel so stupid now. :DQuoteif (here == DOOR) {That's still got an if, but much fewer of them, and it's probably entirely possible to remove that one as well - I just haven't. Illustrative, I hope.
int candidates[4] = int[](DOOR, DOOR_LEFT, DOOR_RIGHT, DOOR_CENTER);
out_tile = candidates[(left == DOOR) + (right == DOOR)*2];
}
Edit: I fixed it, of course!
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 07:23:51 am
And the code looks like Java,
so I should be able to crank it out.
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 07:25:24 am
Or just assume they'll read this. ???
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 13, 2010, 07:38:42 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 07:43:40 am
So I can still do art that's bigger than 3x3 tiles, by looking farther than 1 tile in each direction.
One thing I'm thinking is decorative floor/wall engravings that repeat every 5 or 6 tiles instead of every one.
How about something with dragonfire? I feel like we could make that look incredibly cool with a bit of work.
As for the 2.5d thing... I'm not sure. I feel like it would look really jumpy with re-drawing and everything,
since it's only the top layer of the tile that we get to look at. I'm going to try to stay fairly close to the
original tileset, at least as a start, to minimize that problem. So I guess what I'm saying is don't count on it.
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 08:02:06 am
0.50 doesn't exist yet. Not even on my computer.
That's not gonna happen until I get my hands on the new tile stuff
and true type font that's gonna be in the next official Toady/Baughn release.
However, I think I'll put together a little something to keep you all happy until then.
If I haven't posted it by tonight, it'll be up by noon tomorrow.
So Wormy, send me anything you've done that I don't have.
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 08:06:03 am
Will these tiles always use the colors that they originally had?
Or are they like graphic objects, so they don't take overlays at all?
Or is there a way we can define the colors that are used by the tile?
Post by: Tormy on August 13, 2010, 08:07:47 am
And sure, something as simple as drawing a dragon across multiple tiles would be trivial.
Heck, you could use a geometry shader and do actual 3D. (Subject to input limitations. You don't get any more data to work with.)
Though I don't know what the performance of that would be. :P
Yeah, but the dragon itself won't "occupy" more tiles actually, only one, just like now. Am I correct? Example:
x= multi-tile gfx additions [tail, wings etc.]
X= position of the dragon
D= Dwarf
Code: [Select]
xxx
xXx
xxx DSo what happens when D [dwarf] tries to move to tile x? I suppose the dwarf's tile image will overwrite the dragon wing's tile image for example?
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 08:09:46 am
Except actually, the way I'm imagining doing it,
the wing would cover up the dwarf rather than vice-versa.
But I suppose it would be pretty easy to toss a boolean in there
if you want to check for dwarves and not draw a wing if it's covered.
EDIT: To clarify.
None of this stuff is capable of changing game mechanics.
Think of it like a visualizer or something, rather than a game mod.
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 08:11:37 am
Ironhand: The tile color is something that's explicitly set, pixel-by-pixel, in the fragment shader. You can use the input color you get from DF.. or use the neighbour's, or mix with the neighbour's on tile edges using a pseudo-random perlin noise function, or make it up from scratch. Whatever.
Also, the next release will not have this code in it, just the preliminary truetype stuff. This is going to take a while to get completely working. The one after that, probably.
Lastly, do keep in mind that you'll have the absolute map location of each tile. You don't need to look at neighbours to make them repeat every N tiles instead of every 1 (or even make them not repeat at all, using noise functions), just the location.
Post by: Tormy on August 13, 2010, 08:12:30 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 08:17:05 am
like curling around to fight someone in his tail square or something. = P Oh, mercy, what am I getting into...
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 08:19:44 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 08:22:01 am
Awesome.
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 09:02:25 am
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 09:05:31 am
I feel like that will mess me up...
Post by: Vince on August 13, 2010, 09:11:01 am
The thing is, don't creatures usually move into their target's square to fight them?Let me do this in pseudocode:
I feel like that will mess me up...
if(tile[x,y].creaturecount > 2)
draw(creature_pile);
:D
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 09:12:44 am
Such is life.
Post by: Vince on August 13, 2010, 09:27:13 am
Sadly, we don't /get/ creaturecount.I know, I know. Just kidding around. :P
Such is life.
I couldn't resist the thought of visualizing the piles my wrestler dwarves would make the whole time. Goblin-smashing piles.
Post by: MatrexsVigil on August 13, 2010, 09:46:19 am
I think he's referring to this:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1474500#msg1474500
Thank you!
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 11:03:53 am
The thing is, don't creatures usually move into their target's square to fight them?
I feel like that will mess me up...
I suppose wrestlers have to be on the same square, but dont weapons reach adjacent tiles?
Having a dorf overdraw a dragon wing isnt so bad anyway? - He jumped on that wing in order to better reach the dragons vital bits with his axe!
Also Toady has kind of established a precedent for weird overdraw with Ballista arrows?
Post by: Patchy on August 13, 2010, 12:11:31 pm
Anyways I'll say it again, awesome work guys.
Post by: Igfig on August 13, 2010, 12:26:16 pm
That does raise a concern in my mind, though. How will all this interact with existing tile-animation stuff, like alttiles or the aforementioned flip-flop? If a dwarf is standing on a dragon's head, will the entire dragon disappear when the animation flips back to the dwarf? If a wall gets splashed with blood, will that change all the engravings nearby? Or will absolute positioning be able to handle all that?
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 12:44:16 pm
It's not likely to be a permanent state of affairs, but you probably shouldn't expect a major overhaul right away either. Once we have a somewhat better idea of what we /need/, though, I might have better luck suggesting changes to Toady. I don't really want to guess, though.
It'd be especially easy if I already have a tileset to point at that attempts to guess at some particular value, however. So have fun!
Post by: ghostxxx on August 13, 2010, 01:09:25 pm
Speaking of animation. Dwarves are already "moving" so they don't necessarily have to be animated more. Now static environments on the otherhand like walls, gems, statues, aren't really moving and it would be pretty neat if occasionally a gem would sparkle or some dust would fall from a wall.
I also really like the idea of lighting. Pools of light lighting up tiles around them. Would definitely give a reason to build giant shafts in the mountain for the occasional skylight. You can have a skylight falling onto a tomb of a king (I'm thinking the Mines of Moria scene from LOTR).
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 01:21:06 pm
But I don't think we can pick up information about a tile yet,
so I don't think we'll be able to do that yet. But it does sound cool.
Now I'm thinking, though, that we could do some cool stuff with
diagonal walls. We could even do more angles than just 45 and 90%.
In fact, I am starting to get all excited about that now... I think I'll
make that one of my first goals when we get to play with this thing.
I am going to make a RIDICULOUS smooth/engraved wall-rendering system.
Post by: Maldevious on August 13, 2010, 01:42:59 pm
Post by: Solace on August 13, 2010, 01:43:49 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 01:49:54 pm
But yeah, the problem is figuring out how much light there's supposed to be on a tile.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 01:52:36 pm
I've also been thinking walls could see a lot of new features because of course they always block.
Lighting would be awesome there is a big thread on it elsewhere on the forums. Tomb of Balin style light shafts = win! :)
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 01:54:32 pm
Dumping lighting or heat info should be pretty simple on Toady's part, so I think there's a good chance we can convince him of that. Still, let's not get ahead of ourselves; there's plenty to work out now. Like how opengl 3.3 works, exactly. :P
Post by: ghostxxx on August 13, 2010, 01:55:28 pm
The light source is for aesthetics, so you can have a normal tile set like the way it is right now, with some tiles being a tad bit (just noticeable) brighter. If we can do overlays, maybe it would even be possible to draw sunrays!
I think it would way freaking cool, if
A) Gems inside walls gave off a shimmer to neighboring tiles. Or gems in general gave off shimmers, so let's say when you engrave something with gems, it gets a little glow!
B) Artifacts gave off shimmers and "auras"!
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 01:59:01 pm
Heck, you could use a geometry shader and do actual 3D. (Subject to input limitations. You don't get any more data to work with.)
Dude...
I may have to think about a 3D tileset at some point :D
*Insert Dungeon Keeper-style graphics fantasy here...
Post by: ghostxxx on August 13, 2010, 02:00:46 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 02:21:21 pm
Sparkling or something on gem clusters would be totally doable, rough gems maybe not - That tile still gets used for spider webs and stuff... We may be able to use the colours to tell gems apart though.
While we cant do lighting, we may be able to add some subtle glows around furnaces and stuff though?
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 02:33:44 pm
Post by: carebear on August 13, 2010, 02:52:21 pm
Post by: ghostxxx on August 13, 2010, 02:53:43 pm
Post by: qwert on August 13, 2010, 03:08:08 pm
You could in theory draw the wing tile over the dwarf/ground/whatever tile since you are just adding the wing and not reading it directly from DF.
You could also swap the actual dragon tile to have the wings folded when there are walls on either side...
Heck, you could get a flying animation going when the dragon has nothing but open space around him :o
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 03:30:25 pm
Except vanilla dragons don't fly.
And I'm gonna kinda avoid animations to start off
(other than maybe some flickering glows for magma and furnaces).
But yeah, if I'm drawing the wings and stuff on transparencies, that'll be fine!
I can even put them over floors or trees or water or whatever's nearby.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 03:32:34 pm
So, if we are going to have the ability to overlay tiles, would it be possible to overlay weapons on a dwarf?
No way to tell what equipment a dwarf has so we will have the same system as now.
You know.. on the whole dragon thing..
You could in theory draw the wing tile over the dwarf/ground/whatever tile since you are just adding the wing and not reading it directly from DF.
You could also swap the actual dragon tile to have the wings folded when there are walls on either side...
Heck, you could get a flying animation going when the dragon has nothing but open space around him :o
I know right? Dragons are going to be awesome! :D
I'm pretty sure tile drawing will just be iterated through from the top left to bottom right, so wing or dwarf graphic on top would be determined by which side of the dragon he was standing?
Maybe it would be possible to draw the whole screen then do a second pass adding overlays and effects?
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 03:58:12 pm
when it's on the dwarf's tile, it'll be like
"oh, there's a dragon to my left. Draw a wing over me."
Which seems kinda convoluted to me.
I'd kinda rather draw all the parts of the dragon from the dragon's tile.
But maybe that is harder to do. Or maybe I'm not understanding it correctly.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 04:04:40 pm
☺D = wing on top of dwarf
D☺ = dwarf on top of wing
But if we limit the multi-tile thing to just dragons at first maybe it wont be too much of a pain.
Post by: Setharnas on August 13, 2010, 04:57:48 pm
when it's on the dwarf's tile, it'll be like
"oh, there's a dragon to my left. Draw a wing over me."
This sounds like asking for the dreaded combinatoric explosion to be taken to supernova levels... :o
But if we limit the multi-tile thing to just dragons at first maybe it wont be too much of a pain.
Maybe it would be helpful if Baughn could implement the neighbor tile lookup as a second pass, laid over the standard drawing and thus only coming into effect after all information on the current draw frame is already collected?
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 05:23:00 pm
That's easy.
This is OpenGL.
It's a 3D engine.
All you need to do is alter the Z-value of the dragon tile in the vertex shader, putting it "above" the rest of the tileset.
(To clarify, instead of drawing a dragon-wing when processing the dwarf tile, you'd extend the dragon-tile's coordinates to overlay its surroundings. Somewhat literally - wider than ordinary tiles, and also above the other tiles. *Then* draw.)
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 05:36:49 pm
- A center tile for its body
- A tile for folded wing
- A tile for unfolded wing
All the combinations you need in-game can be made from combinations and rotations of those, inside the shaders. So, not that much of a combinatorial explosion at all, really. :)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 05:40:05 pm
All you need to do is alter the Z-value of the dragon tile in the vertex shader, putting it "above" the rest of the tileset.
Now you mention it thats blindingly obvious... even more possibilities now occur to me... O.o
Also I made a flower :D
(http://i.imgur.com/fdCGK.png)
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 05:52:16 pm
Post by: Artanis00 on August 13, 2010, 06:32:05 pm
Can you link against C/C++ libraries? If that is possible it should be possible to steal the rest of a tile's info with DFHack.
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 06:36:52 pm
(Shaders run on the GPU. They have no access to CPU memory, or ability to run dfhack even if they did.)
Post by: Bloogonis on August 13, 2010, 06:41:23 pm
Post by: Artanis00 on August 13, 2010, 06:55:24 pm
You're absolutely, horribly wrong.
(Shaders run on the GPU. They have no access to CPU memory, or ability to run dfhack even if they did.)
That's what I thought, but the question was intriguing enough to be asked anyhow. Thanks.
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 07:09:09 pm
I'm looking forward to drawing this dragon!
And I'm still trying to decide exactly how I'm going to do so.
The mock-ups we've been discussing so far suggest a top-down view,
but upon mentally visualizing it, it does not seem to fit with the perspective
that I have been utilizing for my dwarves and creatures up until this point.
So I think I may just go with a great big dragon tile, sort of like I said I wanted
to do at the beginning of this whole project, that just extends a little bit from his tile.
And by a little bit, I mean I'm gonna paint, like, a 50 pixel dragon. Mwahahahahaa! = D
I still might do something with his wings, though. And I'll definitely play around with his tail.
I'm looking forward to making megabeasts now. They are gonna be AWESOME!
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 07:39:02 pm
Dont forget you still need to draw several hundred other critters like humies and all the missing dorf castes - You can bang those out tomorrow yeah? :P
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 07:54:44 pm
I can bang all dwarf castes!
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 08:00:49 pm
But for now, this'll have to do:
I call it 0.48 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511).
Less-defined gems.
New plants and bushels for storage!
New water!
New boulder, crown...
New font, which will be replaced by TTFs soon.
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 08:05:28 pm
Phoebus still makes more than twice that easy, but we're gaining! A thousand downloads is a LOT!
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 08:06:50 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 08:19:35 pm
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 08:22:38 pm
I like phoebus tileset for "smooth" ground tiles which do not get in the way with walls... I was OK with your ground tiles but they looked too "sharp" for me. Now it's just perfect!
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Post by: Thundrim on August 13, 2010, 08:53:12 pm
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Post by: Harmonica on August 13, 2010, 08:56:34 pm
I love how quickly it went from 'hmm, maybe we could smooth the edges of water tiles' to 'HERE BE DRAGONS! DRAGONS!'
Quite right too.
Multi-tile ANYTHING will be epic.
Post by: Urist McNewb on August 13, 2010, 09:00:33 pm
Post by: Deon on August 13, 2010, 09:03:13 pm
If you want vanilla, download the file from the link above and it should work.
Post by: Maldevious on August 13, 2010, 09:06:46 pm
Also, though it won't quite matter in the next release, I think the font looks fantastic, Ironhand. Best yet.
Post by: Baughn on August 13, 2010, 09:08:16 pm
Well, probably.
You certainly shouldn't depend on them working.
Post by: Maldevious on August 13, 2010, 09:08:54 pm
Dragons...
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 09:09:56 pm
Thanks Deon! Are you aware you're using Os for pillars, though?
I think that would look better if you used tile 199 instead.
And yeah, McNewb, you need my inorganic raw files. Make sure you're
using either my packaged download or that you're copying in all my raws.
Post by: McBeer on August 13, 2010, 09:10:02 pm
what troubles me so far - everything seems .. slightly too sterile.
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If you still play Genesis, I release 3.0 in 2-3 minutes with all correct tiles.Hell, yeah!
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thought of multi-tile megabeasts is quite tantalizing.Well..my thread from march about that..for some time i was thinking that it may happen soon, but...
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=50974.15
it did not.
Post by: Ironhand on August 13, 2010, 09:15:33 pm
Those first two dwarfs in the the tileset are used for dead dwarves,
but the one farther down is not. It's just used for the adventurer on the map.
When you sent me the ones where they're on their sides I kinda liked it, so I just copied it over,
but for future reference that guy is never used for a dead dwarf so it's kinda silly for him to be lying down.
Just fyi.
I'll fix it for the next release.
I don't think it's a huge deal for now.
Post by: Maldevious on August 13, 2010, 09:18:16 pm
This is my hospital (using .48)...
Spoiler: Not so sterile... (click to show/hide)
Note the troll corpses, body parts, spatterings of mud, and pools of blood. Now I wonder why all my dwarfs die of infection...
Post by: Solace on August 13, 2010, 09:28:57 pm
We can do the overlay thing. Baughn's already said we can use as many tiles as we want.Well, if you can check if any tile is adjacent, you could make it an onion thing, like I said? Tiles directly in sun get 100% light. Tiles adjacent to a 100% tile get 80%. Tiles adjacent to a 80% tile get 60%, and so on. Of course, it'd be tricky to turn that light back off again... I guess you could (if possible) set all illumination tiles to have a small % chance of self-destroying, which would make the light flickery, and destruction of the light source would eventually put out the light.
But yeah, the problem is figuring out how much light there's supposed to be on a tile.
Post by: Harmonica on August 13, 2010, 09:32:05 pm
Post by: Dearnen on August 13, 2010, 09:34:34 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 13, 2010, 09:40:37 pm
but the one farther down is not. It's just used for the adventurer on the map.
Yea I realised that after changing it - Thought I put him back upright :P
Yes but the difficulty I think is working out what tiles are even in the sun.
Yeah this is the problem, all we have to work with is the tile number and colours.
Post by: Harmonica on August 14, 2010, 12:18:43 am
But multi tile goodness and tile transitions are perfectly good fodder in the meantime. There's so much you could potentially do. It would be sort of poetic if, like, Ironhand's original seed idea of having massive tiles so you could have tiny dwarves and big megabeasts will actually work out!
Just the scary factor of having your dwarves suddenly set upon by some 10-tile wide behemoth would be epic!
Post by: Igfig on August 14, 2010, 12:50:07 am
It might be a good idea to make sure each tile of the dragon's image is a specific part, so people can stand on them without disrupting the overall picture. The middle should be the head, since it's the highest point and shouldn't really be stepped on. Also that's where the dragonfire comes out of.
Oh, and 0.48 is awesome as usual. The new font is nice, and I like how the gems actually look like they're in a wall now.
Post by: Zalminen on August 14, 2010, 01:06:40 am
One thing that popped in my mind:
Since we will be able to check the adjacent tiles, how about mineral veins / gem deposits that look more continuous?
Even better if they're sparkly as well :D
Post by: Vince on August 14, 2010, 01:34:01 am
You guys are all so excited about the idea of a semi-multi tile dragon rampaging in your fort, leading to all sorts of FUN.
But in my experience it's more like this:
"The dragon Unxpsylyk the terrible fearsome destroyer of worlds appeared!"
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"Oh, now it died."
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So I propose we have the "dragon lying down" tile fist. :D
Post by: RedForty on August 14, 2010, 02:29:54 am
I'm extremely new to the game and I already love it.
I have a quick question about the way text is displayed with Ironhand's tileset. Is it normal that periods are rendered as blank textures? This is what I see on my main menu:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36633/b/dfironhand.png
Sorry for the noob question. I couldn't find a faq and couldn't find it in search. :-/
Post by: Patchouli on August 14, 2010, 02:32:00 am
Hey guys,It's normal.
I'm extremely new to the game and I already love it.
I have a quick question about the way text is displayed with Ironhand's tileset. Is it normal that periods are rendered as blank textures? This is what I see on my main menu:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36633/b/dfironhand.png
Sorry for the noob question. I couldn't find a faq and couldn't find it in search. :-/
Post by: Prastary on August 14, 2010, 04:32:06 am
But old tables were much better, those are too blurry
Post by: Haspen on August 14, 2010, 06:13:40 am
Ironhand's tile magic is awesome.
Post by: McBeer on August 14, 2010, 06:25:03 am
Want to talk about sterile?
This is my hospital (using .48)...Spoiler: Not so sterile... (click to show/hide)
Note the troll corpses, body parts, spatterings of mud, and pools of blood. Now I wonder why all my dwarfs die of infection...
heh heh, i was thinking about this:
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everything is so much less cluttered---
upd: damn, i realized what anims may be used for.... TORCHES and fireplaces, oh god(3 frames and i am done).
upd2(couldn't hold myself after seeing this gfx):
multitile creature anyone, LOL?
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Post by: Deon on August 14, 2010, 08:03:34 am
And animated fire/smoke which look burning even during still adventure mode turns.
And shining gems and ore.
And swinging chains and ropes.
So many stuff to do!
Post by: blub-dwarf on August 14, 2010, 08:40:24 am
could someone try to put it in and lets see how it will look like?
Post by: McBeer on August 14, 2010, 09:07:48 am
WOW i realy like the water in your post @mcbeer
could someone try to put it in and lets see how it will look like?
i am in progress.
Post by: blub-dwarf on August 14, 2010, 09:20:29 am
Post by: McBeer on August 14, 2010, 09:49:34 am
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btw, flora is awesome in 0.48 release.
Post by: blub-dwarf on August 14, 2010, 10:10:10 am
with a little tweaking it could look awesom
Post by: Robsoie on August 14, 2010, 03:51:40 pm
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Post by: Robsoie on August 14, 2010, 04:24:02 pm
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and the tileset corresponding
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Post by: blub-dwarf on August 14, 2010, 05:06:48 pm
Post by: McBeer on August 14, 2010, 05:23:40 pm
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A reworkWow, nice job.
Post by: Randomtask on August 14, 2010, 06:25:04 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 14, 2010, 08:20:54 pm
Also, your dwarves have crafted a prototype Ballista, it menaces with pixels of opengl shaded awesome!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZbdH1.png)
Edit: I guess it needs a huge bolt too?
(http://i.imgur.com/NoZ7W.png)
Post by: Maldevious on August 14, 2010, 08:28:42 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 14, 2010, 08:41:12 pm
Post by: Harmonica on August 14, 2010, 09:17:12 pm
While its a little too contrasted for my tastes (you may have noticed I like lots of smooth shading? :P) I do like the wavy style :)
Also, your dwarves have crafted a prototype Ballista, it menaces with pixels of opengl shaded awesome!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZbdH1.png)
Jesus. That's beautiful. I wonder if that level of layering complexity is doable.
Do some mock ups of dwaves versus bigger multi-tile creatures :) I mean, honestly I would like to see bronze collussi span maybe 6 tiles wide or something. Although perspective I guess would have to be birds eye for them (and maybe dragons?)
Post by: Dearnen on August 15, 2010, 01:23:43 am
Post by: Tormy on August 15, 2010, 05:08:39 am
While its a little too contrasted for my tastes (you may have noticed I like lots of smooth shading? :P) I do like the wavy style :)
Also, your dwarves have crafted a prototype Ballista, it menaces with pixels of opengl shaded awesome!
(http://i.imgur.com/ZbdH1.png)
Jesus. That's beautiful. I wonder if that level of layering complexity is doable.
Yeah, it looks good indeed...and I think that it will be possible to create gfx stuff like this after Baughn codes in the shader mode. [Displaying the ballista image shouldn't be more "complicated" than displaying a multi-tile dragon afterall.]
Post by: Vince on August 15, 2010, 06:14:08 am
A shame, that trees don't have the correct size in DF to begin with.
Hm... Maybe we could do the same "semi-multitile" thing for trees, too?
So that the "tree tile" from Vanilla DF just represents the trunk and we display a 2x3 or something tree at that place?
Post by: McBeer on August 15, 2010, 07:01:51 am
Absolutely beautiful!
A shame, that trees don't have the correct size in DF to begin with.
Hm... Maybe we could do the same "semi-multitile" thing for trees, too?
So that the "tree tile" from Vanilla DF just represents the trunk and we display a 2x3 or something tree at that place?
Shame that it wont be possible to make trees this way...
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Post by: Ironhand on August 15, 2010, 07:02:58 am
I think trees need to be great big things with gaps in the leaves
so you can see the dwarves resting in their shade, or whatever.
But yeah, we could definitely have them cast shadows over things.
Lovely ballista. And from what I've heard, that should be easy.
Post by: McBeer on August 15, 2010, 07:09:13 am
Post by: Baughn on August 15, 2010, 07:37:03 am
At any rate, it probably wouldn't be too much work for Toady to run multiple passes over the dwarf/adventure-mode map, giving us both the ground tile and the dwarf on top.. or the ground, the chair, the dwarf and the miasma. It'd probably be at most four layers (plus the text, which doesn't count), and shaders can handle at least sixteen, so yeah. :P
That's very much future planning, pure wishful thinking really, but I'm starting to think it'd be a reasonable request. :)
Post by: Tormy on August 15, 2010, 07:38:57 am
I'm moving DF over to a layered output engine in general (to deal with truetype), so don't count your dooms until they.. hatch? Er.. right.
At any rate, it probably wouldn't be too much work for Toady to run multiple passes over the dwarf/adventure-mode map, giving us both the ground tile and the dwarf on top.. or the ground, the chair, the dwarf and the miasma. It'd probably be at most four layers (plus the text, which doesn't count), and shaders can handle at least sixteen, so yeah. :P
That's very much future planning, pure wishful thinking really, but I'm starting to think it'd be a reasonable request. :)
Indeed! :)
Post by: Zulithe on August 15, 2010, 10:04:58 am
It sounds great. I know a lot of us, especially the modders, are excited. Do you anticipate this will impact performance very much? One of the biggest complaints of DF how taxing it can be on a system, particularly in light of how low-tech the graphics are. But... yeah, I know you are keenly aware of this. Just a concern. I'm sure I'm not alone here.I'm moving DF over to a layered output engine in general (to deal with truetype), so don't count your dooms until they.. hatch? Er.. right.
At any rate, it probably wouldn't be too much work for Toady to run multiple passes over the dwarf/adventure-mode map, giving us both the ground tile and the dwarf on top.. or the ground, the chair, the dwarf and the miasma. It'd probably be at most four layers (plus the text, which doesn't count), and shaders can handle at least sixteen, so yeah. :P
That's very much future planning, pure wishful thinking really, but I'm starting to think it'd be a reasonable request. :)
Indeed! :)
Post by: Prastary on August 15, 2010, 10:14:08 am
Do you anticipate this will impact performance very much? One of the biggest complaints of DF how taxing it can be on a system, particularly in light of how low-tech the graphics are. But... yeah, I know you are keenly aware of this. Just a concern. I'm sure I'm not alone here.
Probably it will not impact performance on hi-tech 400W graphics monster with all required shaders...
Post by: Baughn on August 15, 2010, 10:18:38 am
If you have the aforementioned 400W graphics monster, you'll probably be fine. :P
Post by: McBeer on August 15, 2010, 10:23:11 am
Mało zabawne.Do you anticipate this will impact performance very much? One of the biggest complaints of DF how taxing it can be on a system, particularly in light of how low-tech the graphics are. But... yeah, I know you are keenly aware of this. Just a concern. I'm sure I'm not alone here.
Probably it will not impact performance on hi-tech 400W graphics monster with all required shaders...
I am not using that device for DF, i explained my reasons already. TBH, any concerns about eventual performance hit is around: laptops with intel chips, netbooks, umpc's, etc. - anything that uses integrated gfx card;
I can imagine ZERO perf problems on portables with dedicated gfx card..
And marvellous possibilities for modders, oh yes.
Sorry for my 3 cents(again)
Post by: Vince on August 15, 2010, 10:50:26 am
any concerns about eventual performance hit is around: laptops with intel chips, netbooks, umpc's, etc. - anything that uses integrated gfx card;It will be more likely that it won't work at all on those machines.
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I am not using that device for DF, i explained my reasons already.Are you sure that beast has not some decent kind of power saving?
Post by: ghostxxx on August 15, 2010, 11:18:14 am
Post by: pugi on August 15, 2010, 11:19:33 am
Absolutely beautiful!
A shame, that trees don't have the correct size in DF to begin with.
Hm... Maybe we could do the same "semi-multitile" thing for trees, too?
So that the "tree tile" from Vanilla DF just represents the trunk and we display a 2x3 or something tree at that place?
Shame that it wont be possible to make trees this way...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is possible. You can make something like 24x24 pixel sized trees, expand the tile to 36x36 pixels with the tree remaining in the upper left corner and then add the shadow in the lower right corner. Then you move the tile so the trunk is in the middle of the tile (-3 pixels in x- and y-direction) and the shadow is on the lower right of the tree. You can even vary the x- and y-movement by a random amount like +-4 pixels so multiple trees look nicely next to each other. And you have to make sure that the tiles are rendered from top left to bottom right, so other trees are placed above the shadow of the ones on the left/above.
I could make a little sketch of what i mean if it is too complicated, but i am lacking the motivation :P
Post by: Baughn on August 15, 2010, 11:31:46 am
For all of those with laptops, check something called Undervolting. Allows you to reduce your core temperature without a performance hit. Which in turn allows you to overclock/ run things on high performance.Only if you're really, really lucky.
Undervolting makes your machine less stable. Undervolting and overclocking, when you usually overvolt to get the most from overclocking?
Post by: Baughn on August 15, 2010, 11:34:25 am
And you have to make sure that the tiles are rendered from top left to bottom right, so other trees are placed above the shadow of the ones on the left/above.No need for this. Use the alpha channel of the tree (if you aren't using it for something else; you could also use one of the channels of some other tile for five channels total, in which case you'd want to bundle four tiles' worth of extra channel into a fifth.. get it?) as a Z-level offset, and let OpenGL's usual Z occlusion testing deal with getting the shadow right.
Pretty sure OpenGL doesn't guarantee anything about rendering order anyway.
Post by: Vince on August 15, 2010, 11:52:11 am
Pretty sure OpenGL doesn't guarantee anything about rendering order anyway.*nods* Transpancy and draw order. That topic is worth it's own chapter! ::)
Post by: Baughn on August 15, 2010, 11:58:08 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 15, 2010, 12:10:04 pm
background
default to a generic ground tile if its an object
blend with surrounding tiles as needed
object
use alpha for proper transparency and tint with foreground colour
trim
same as above but with background colour
overlays/effects/etc.
Post by: Deltaway on August 15, 2010, 12:44:23 pm
From there you can further divide the single-tile group based on how they are affected by the Shading Paradigm Shift:
-remains single tile with no modification: (e.g. creatures, containers)
-remains single tile, but with modification based on surrounding tiles: (water-land transitions, double doors)
-is extended to multiple tiles: (megabeasts, trees)
One issue I see with some of the extended graphics is that sometimes the original anchor tile will be obscured (a dwarf walking through a door, combat).
-With single-tile reactive-behavior objects, this would usually cause the tile to change to another form (a dwarf walking through a double door would make the other side a single door).
-With single-tile extended objects, it just causes the disappearance of a larger entity (a larger dragon disappears when covered by a dwarf tile in combat).
Trees don't suffer from any of these effects because they aren't reactive and can't be displaced by a creature, provided you can make adjacent trees overlay well.
With multi-tile objects, you have:
-non-interactive (windmills)
-interactive (siege weapons, workshops)
But none of these (that I know of) suffer from same problems because you should be able to display them the same way whether or not they have arrows or dwarves in them, especially since there are very few existent interactions.
So at this point it's definitely looking like the most difficult issues (before the actual artwork, of course :D) can be made completely irrelevant by multiple passes providing the information about all objects in a tile, not just the visible one.
It would also open up a slew of possibilities! For example! I know that up until now we have no canonical evidence for dwarven knees, but what if they could sit down?
Post by: McBeer on August 15, 2010, 03:16:40 pm
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Post by: KillHour on August 15, 2010, 04:40:09 pm
Do not beat me, but imagine now overlay with "bubble" over head oftroubledDwarf with selected(in prefs) data displayed there + kbd shortcut to turn it on/off..things like: "I catched a fish lately", "I ran away from Aligator", etc, etc. or stats, whatever is hooked.
...
Can't do any of this, currently.
Post by: Aklyon on August 15, 2010, 05:53:11 pm
maybe a green/red/orange bubble to show hapy/sad/meh-ness?Do not beat me, but imagine now overlay with "bubble" over head oftroubledDwarf with selected(in prefs) data displayed there + kbd shortcut to turn it on/off..things like: "I catched a fish lately", "I ran away from Aligator", etc, etc. or stats, whatever is hooked.
...
Can't do any of this, currently.
or can we not access any of that data at all?
Post by: Maldevious on August 15, 2010, 05:58:16 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 15, 2010, 06:47:46 pm
Don't worry, it will definitely happen eventually.
This week I'm on vacation, and soon after that I'm headed back to school.
But when I do get back to spriting, I will take a look at humans and elves. And kobolds.
...
And yeah, we don't get any real information from the game. Sorry.
Post by: Acanthus117 on August 15, 2010, 06:50:21 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 15, 2010, 07:01:42 pm
And you're not the only one.
Rest assured that it is an eventual goal.
Post by: Acanthus117 on August 15, 2010, 07:04:43 pm
*bows*
Post by: Baughn on August 15, 2010, 07:21:21 pm
Hm. I could also add in a feedback texture, to let you store a bit of data between frames, but.. we'll see how it works without that first, 'kay?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 15, 2010, 07:35:27 pm
Well, we should at least be able to animate dwarves that happen to be in the middle of workshops. Pretty unambiguous, that case.
For some workshops but it will depend if they have specific tiles in them that we can fix on with 100% certainty every frame?
Ironically the dwarf himself will be obscuring the centre tile that identifies a lot of workshops!
Will we limited to checking immediately adjacent tiles or can we look farther afield?
Hm. I could also add in a feedback texture, to let you store a bit of data between frames, but.. we'll see how it works without that first, 'kay?
This would be used for...? :)
Post by: Baughn on August 15, 2010, 07:51:36 pm
You can check as far afield as you like, of what's currently being displayed. There are memory bandwidth and cache limits, but you probably won't ever see them; you're more likely to hit cycle limits, with if statements and such. Try not to use those. :PWell, we should at least be able to animate dwarves that happen to be in the middle of workshops. Pretty unambiguous, that case.
For some workshops but it will depend if they have specific tiles in them that we can fix on with 100% certainty every frame?
Ironically the dwarf himself will be obscuring the centre tile that identifies a lot of workshops!
Will we limited to checking immediately adjacent tiles or can we look farther afield?
Custom workshops wouldn't have the problem you mentioned, and it seems pretty reasonable to think that most workshops will become custom eventually.
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For example, storing the amount of time a dwarf has been standing in a workshop (so the animations don't all match up, and he doesn't start in the middle of the animation cycle when he first enters it), or to deal with the aforementioned problem by remembering what tile was under the dwarf. Though that might be troublesome and glitchy to do.Hm. I could also add in a feedback texture, to let you store a bit of data between frames, but.. we'll see how it works without that first, 'kay?This would be used for...? :)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 15, 2010, 07:58:57 pm
You can check as far afield as you like, of what's currently being displayed. There are memory bandwidth and cache limits, but you probably won't ever see them; you're more likely to hit cycle limits, with if statements and such. Try not to use those. :P
Thats what I was hoping but my programming skills are somewhat limited, how about: I write a mess of if statements then you optimise them? ;)
For example, storing the amount of time a dwarf has been standing in a workshop (so the animations don't all match up, and he doesn't start in the middle of the animation cycle when he first enters it), or to deal with the aforementioned problem by remembering what tile was under the dwarf. Though that might be troublesome and glitchy to do.
Being able to track changes would be super-useful in decoding everything - The only thing better would be to have things like dorfs passed to the renderer separately from the environment? :P
Post by: blueeyedlion on August 15, 2010, 09:50:33 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 15, 2010, 10:58:21 pm
modded graphically ONLY and still actually be just one tile for the calculations and such?
This :)
Post by: Robsoie on August 15, 2010, 11:05:58 pm
(http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/934/25103870.jpg)
Post by: Deon on August 15, 2010, 11:08:44 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 15, 2010, 11:09:19 pm
If we were feeling fancy, we could check if it was an enclosed space like a narrow tunnel and display a different graphic of the creature hunched up or something.
Post by: blueeyedlion on August 15, 2010, 11:16:00 pm
"ha, that 5 tile big dragon will never get through my 1 tile wide hallway, I am safe forever."
*dragon walks through the hallway and proceeds to kill most of the dwarves*
"WTF!! noooooooo!!"
^this shouldn't be able to happen, either I don't understand it fully, or many newbs with this graphics set will be very confused and angry.
Post by: Deon on August 15, 2010, 11:22:39 pm
Or newbs should not affect the quality of graphics.
Something like that.
Post by: 3 on August 15, 2010, 11:24:24 pm
Post by: blueeyedlion on August 15, 2010, 11:29:57 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 15, 2010, 11:40:25 pm
That can be only good.
Post by: Tormy on August 16, 2010, 05:27:54 am
I can see the newb's demise now:
"ha, that 5 tile big dragon will never get through my 1 tile wide hallway, I am safe forever."
*dragon walks through the hallway and proceeds to kill most of the dwarves*
"WTF!! noooooooo!!"
^this shouldn't be able to happen, either I don't understand it fully, or many newbs with this graphics set will be very confused and angry.
Hm....while we are at it....multi-tile creatures in 1 tile wide tunnels will look weird I guess...:D
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 05:34:02 am
Post by: Wavecutter on August 16, 2010, 06:28:25 am
That being said I have a nit pick. On the embark screen plains are displaying as solid black.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In this image I have highlighted a region of the plains to demonstrate what it would look like when
displayed within the embark square.
Post by: LINKedup on August 16, 2010, 08:03:55 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 16, 2010, 08:39:31 am
In this image I have highlighted a region of the plains to demonstrate what it would look like when
displayed within the embark square.
That looks like my bad, I'll fix it for the next release :)
Something that no one has seemed to mention with this whole multi-tile business is that now when we make double wide walls, they won't have those weird looking "holes" in them because we will be able to extrapolate and make them all smooth and pretty looking.
Good call, I'll put that on the list of stuff to do with walls :D
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 08:55:09 am
Post by: Baughn on August 16, 2010, 09:16:39 am
When displaying tiles, they are currently automatically resized to the on-screen tile size using the high-quality Lanczos algorithm; this makes them look far better than OpenGL's linear interpolation, and saves texture memory. Due to technical constraints, all tiles in one texture array have to be the same size in-memory.
This does not easily allow multi-tile creatures, however. So I've come up with an alternative, extending the tileset descriptor syntax a little (and yes, you'll have to write it this way now):
Code: [Select]
An example tileset title
# Lines starting with # are ignored
array base 1.0
base.png 16 16
# As are empty lines
array large 2.0
large.png 2 4
more_large.png 3 7
array variant 8.0 mipmap
barbarbaz.png 8 8
The basic idea is that you get to specify multiple texture arrays, and explicitly specify the a tile size for each one. "texture foo 1.0" creates a texture array, each texture(tile) in which is the same size as a standard on-screen tile; 2.0 makes them twice as large in each dimension, and if the size you'll render them at varies you can additionally specify "mipmap" to, well, mip-map the tile. Doing so doubles its size, mind you. :PInside your shaders, the array name names the sampler; for "array base 1.0", you'll also need a "uniform sampler2DArray base;" in your fragment (and possibly vertex, but probably not) shader.
You can still specify as many PNGs per texture array as you want; those are just concatenated, same as before.
One caveat: OpenGL only guarantees you access to two textures, including arrays, and one is already taken by the tile array. I will of course test for this, and abort if necessary. That said, my teeny little 8600M allows 32 of them. :P
To be clear: The first tile in base.png and large.png are both numbered 0, but exist in different texture arrays.
Post by: Prastary on August 16, 2010, 09:44:10 am
Post by: Baughn on August 16, 2010, 09:46:21 am
Post by: Robsoie on August 16, 2010, 09:47:10 am
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 10:57:40 am
Baughn: do you have access to the way that DF automatically downsizes the tiles and can you make it a toggle in the init?
edit: see below
Post by: Prastary on August 16, 2010, 11:03:22 am
I thought that was a problem until I stopped touching the window after it loaded so it stopped downsizing the tiles.
You can touch it, just change [RESIZABLE:YES] to [RESIZABLE:NO], so it will not downsize.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 16, 2010, 11:03:51 am
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 11:31:00 am
I thought that was a problem until I stopped touching the window after it loaded so it stopped downsizing the tiles.
You can touch it, just change [RESIZABLE:YES] to [RESIZABLE:NO], so it will not downsize.
Haha. Jeez, I never knew that was what that option actually did. D'oh!
Thanks for the heads up..
Post by: Deon on August 16, 2010, 03:20:25 pm
Oh man, so that's it. Thank you so much :).I thought that was a problem until I stopped touching the window after it loaded so it stopped downsizing the tiles.
You can touch it, just change [RESIZABLE:YES] to [RESIZABLE:NO], so it will not downsize.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 16, 2010, 05:35:20 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/Lp6mg.png)
And some new broken arrows.
(http://i.imgur.com/W6jTq.png)
Post by: ginsweater on August 16, 2010, 05:58:12 pm
I've been exploring the libgraphics code (and listening to all this talk of shaders) for a couple weeks now, and thought I'd try adding a little shadow effect.
So, I got out RenderMonkey, wrote the shader, and hacked a fullscreen effects pass into the engine:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Crap! Floors in Ironhand's tileset are already really dark!
If I change the effect to a glow instead of a shadow (that is, alpha-blended white instead of alpha-blended black), you can get an idea what it's doing:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Can you see it if I crank the brightness up in Photoshop?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hmmm....
What do you guys think? Is this at all worth pursuing?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 16, 2010, 06:13:01 pm
I could see the effect fine in the first shot but I'm fussy about my monitor calibration :P
Thats sweet though :D
The only reason I'm hesitant to say "Hell yeah keep working on it!" is that it may not play nice with whatever Baughn is doing?
New floor hatches:
(http://i.imgur.com/1XQ88.png)
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 06:23:49 pm
Post by: ginsweater on August 16, 2010, 06:27:39 pm
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The only reason I'm hesitant to say "Hell yeah keep working on it!" is that it may not play nice with whatever Baughn is doing?
Yeah, I assume I'll need to reintegrate with whatever shader infrastructure Baughn is doing if I pass this code on to him - I don't know how far along he is on that stuff.
It's a fullscreen effect, though, so it should be mostly independent from any changes to the tile rendering. Next step would probably be keying off per-tile height maps instead of the current stupid hack (tiles 176, 177, and 178 are hardcoded to cast shadows.) But that's more likely to conflict with any changes to tile loading, so I haven't done anything like that.
Post by: McBeer on August 16, 2010, 06:59:38 pm
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What do you guys think? Is this at all worth pursuing?Excellent, if you could add netcf gui for shader edit/change(something like MGE for Morrowind, if i remember right) when idea consolidates.
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How i see it now:
You are very near to adding visual candy like torch light ambient areas, if only (1 of)shader(s) would work for exact(set) tile on given world area...omg.
Extraploating idea - you are close to make night/day OUTSIDE possible(if you could hook time lapse in some way + above about light sources), are you aware of that?
Post by: Maldevious on August 16, 2010, 07:03:50 pm
Post by: Baughn on August 16, 2010, 07:06:21 pm
And I'll have the "standard" shader up and working tomorrow, once I sort out the texture arrays, so you can see how it's all supposed to work. I'll just paste the code here, it's not all that many lines. :)
(Feel free to suggest improvements, too. I'm not all that good with shaders yet.)
Post by: McBeer on August 16, 2010, 07:07:20 pm
The only issue with day/night outside I could see is that, well the days and nights would literally be seconds each. It'd be like those seizure-causing Pokemon cartoons.Not really.
There are methods for make real DATE and just night/day cycle independent(and it would be only way, thus tolerable, if set properly).
I would like to tell you how i see it in my mind:
if it's night, dwarves outside have visibility radius determined by shader(lets name it torchshader..), which trigger is determined by [light][outside] together + day/night cycle clock, so inside is still bright.
Imagine winter night and walk for fish.
Adittionaly, by adding object(workshop) "torch" being hooked to "torcheffect" we could make ...exactly what torch is made for(hheh).
I am just dreaming about far future, maybe impossible future, but i am finding fun in thinking about that.
One more thing - i just realized about possibilities, if such shader effects could be hooked to position of EVENT(i.e small flash over fight tiles, etc etc).
Tell me, is it possible to monitor/capture events data in some way?
i mean - getting output what is happening + coords + details?
Post by: Baughn on August 16, 2010, 07:24:17 pm
Hmm.
Post by: McBeer on August 16, 2010, 07:30:27 pm
Well, there's always the "read gamelog.txt" option...
Hmm.
...ok, so can i log everything what is happening on map, literally?
any switches for changing logging levels?
i am just not familiar, but it interests me suddenly.
Post by: Baughn on August 16, 2010, 07:32:02 pm
I could parse it before writing strings out (the gamelog-writing function is in libgraphics), which at least cuts out the filesystem. I'd want to check with Toady first, though.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 16, 2010, 07:34:32 pm
Assuming we can figure out some way to tell which tiles should be lit up... But we could do things like put little torches on smoothed walls every few tiles? (Like DK :P)
Also more than walls casting shadows, I wanted to do this:
(http://i.imgur.com/vW5XC.png)
Well, there's always the "read gamelog.txt" option...
Hmm.
So we could check for events that happened since the last frame was rendered?
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 08:10:15 pm
Assuming we can figure out some way to tell which tiles should be lit up... But we could do things like put little torches on smoothed walls every few tiles? (Like DK :P)
Also more than walls casting shadows, I wanted to do this:
(http://i.imgur.com/vW5XC.png)
My DK loving self salutes you.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 16, 2010, 08:25:07 pm
*slap*slap*slap* work faster imps! :D
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 08:50:32 pm
I think though that DF has to be heavily inspired by it (never checked what Toady says his inspirations are), and it does a fair job of standing up to some of the mechanics (like the AI, which is arguably the most impressive aspect of DF - the so-called 'imp logic' in DK would hold up to modern standards of AI), and obviously in terms of dungeon crafting its miles more advanced. The things it's not quite up there with are probably the combat, until we get proper seiges and stuff - even though DK was never a masterful game when it came to the fighty bits (largely zerg rush tactics), it was incredibly satisfying.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 16, 2010, 09:17:20 pm
On newer video cards the trick is to disable hardware rendering and play it in software mode - It looks almost the same.
Post by: Harmonica on August 16, 2010, 09:39:53 pm
DK is the only one for me, and it's a trial to run it - badly - on XP, and impossible on later OSs. It basically only runs perfectly on Win95, even Win98 doesn't handle it properly.
Post by: Robsoie on August 16, 2010, 11:51:17 pm
DK is the only one for me, and it's a trial to run it - badly - on XP, and impossible on later OSs. It basically only runs perfectly on Win95, even Win98 doesn't handle it properly.
//offtopic
There's a KeeperFX (http://www.keeperklan.com/forums/52-KeeperFX/page2?order=desc) that is a modification (more like a whole recoding in fact) of DK1 made to run on modern OS , multiple resolution and adds several features and it is open source.
//end of offtopic
Those shaded walls on your mockup screenshot are amazing WormSlayer.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 17, 2010, 12:14:19 am
Post by: ginsweater on August 17, 2010, 12:15:04 am
Also more than walls casting shadows, I wanted to do this:
(http://i.imgur.com/vW5XC.png)
That one's easy in theory - just put the shadow on unrevealed tiles instead of walls:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But figuring out "unrevealed tiles" is more of a challenge - to make that picture, I set shadows on tile 32 (space) which has interesting effects on the interface:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And the cursor gets a bit lost in all this blackness:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ginsweater on August 17, 2010, 12:25:58 am
Excellent, if you could add netcf gui for shader edit/change(something like MGE for Morrowind, if i remember right) when idea consolidates.
Yeah, right now I have to restart the engine to change shaders - it's pretty painful. A RenderMonkey plugin or something would be pretty neat, but time-consuming to write. (And Windows-only, too.)
You are very near to adding visual candy like torch light ambient areas, if only (1 of)shader(s) would work for exact(set) tile on given world area...omg.
Extraploating idea - you are close to make night/day OUTSIDE possible(if you could hook time lapse in some way + above about light sources), are you aware of that?
Yeah, post effects are fun! Lighting opens up a lot of cans of worms, though - the tilesets use all these bright primary colors (for good reason!) so you'd have to be careful not to get hue-shifting. And in any case, there's still nothing to cue lighting effects... libgraphics doesn't know if a tile is outside or inside, what the weather is...
Post by: Deon on August 17, 2010, 05:53:23 am
Also more than walls casting shadows, I wanted to do this:I would REALLY love it.
(http://i.imgur.com/vW5XC.png)
Also, grats with the new avatar, Baughn :).
Post by: Ratbert_CP on August 17, 2010, 09:06:42 am
Just thinking out loud...
BTW, IH and WS are doing a most excellent job! If my monitor had better resolution, I wouldn't even think of another tileset...
Post by: Robsoie on August 17, 2010, 09:13:06 am
The full download for KeeperFX seems to be dead :(
//off topic
that mirror (http://www.keeperklan.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=56) is not dead
but be sure to get the patches (http://keeper.lubie.org/html/dk_keeperfx_dwnld.php) that are always up too, that fixes some problems of the main release.
//off topic
Post by: Baughn on August 17, 2010, 09:38:05 am
Ummm... Just thinking out loud here... If you (Baughn) can get the tile information for the OpenGL engine, could you bypass the gfx altogether and just emit an array of descriptors? Which could then be transmitted over a network or recorded in a file and rendered by a stand-alone viewer?Yes, sure, that would be pretty easy. I'll accept patches. ^_^
But seriously, that's what text mode is for. Though I suppose graphics might be a handy ability, it'd take a lot of gruntwork.
Post by: Ratbert_CP on August 17, 2010, 09:58:48 am
Ummm... Just thinking out loud here... If you (Baughn) can get the tile information for the OpenGL engine, could you bypass the gfx altogether and just emit an array of descriptors? Which could then be transmitted over a network or recorded in a file and rendered by a stand-alone viewer?Yes, sure, that would be pretty easy. I'll accept patches. ^_^
But seriously, that's what text mode is for. Though I suppose graphics might be a handy ability, it'd take a lot of gruntwork.
But how much info is passed via text mode? I suppose it would be possible to read in the raws, then back out the ASCII/color combination for each tile to figure out what it is... And that's effectively what you're doing... Hmmm... I guess I'm wondering if it's possible to sneak in even earlier in the text mode pipe, and get the data even before the curses lib gets it. And then port it to the Windows client... :)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 17, 2010, 01:54:31 pm
Once Baughn gets the font rendering working we can ignore any side effects with the text.
But how much info is passed via text mode?
Pretty sure its just [character, foreground, background]
Post by: Baughn on August 17, 2010, 02:01:53 pm
Post by: Vince on August 18, 2010, 05:32:10 am
Different tiles for different zoom levels? Would that be possible?
So we could have something like this (http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3940/interiortest733612.jpg) if we really wanted (minus the perspective perhaps)?
Post by: Harmonica on August 18, 2010, 06:15:54 am
The full download for KeeperFX seems to be dead :(
//off topic
that mirror (http://www.keeperklan.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=56) is not dead
but be sure to get the patches (http://keeper.lubie.org/html/dk_keeperfx_dwnld.php) that are always up too, that fixes some problems of the main release.
//off topic
Thanks for posting about KeeperFX! Had never heard of it. This is mindblowing. DK is literally my favourite game ever, if it actually runs on Vista I will be impressed.
Post by: Deon on August 18, 2010, 06:17:25 am
Just got an idea:That's actually an awesome idea. It would require lots of work, but being able to change 18px dwarves into 6px dwarves would be awesome for quick zooming without weird resizing by the program. That's what all modern games do with 3d objects.
Different tiles for different zoom levels? Would that be possible?
So we could have something like this (http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/3940/interiortest733612.jpg) if we really wanted (minus the perspective perhaps)?
Post by: Harmonica on August 18, 2010, 06:22:12 am
Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 06:33:58 am
Show me what it's good for, and I'll optimize it in libgraphics. :)
Post by: Deon on August 18, 2010, 06:54:29 am
Try to zoom out on ANY tileset. What do you see? Blurry round images. If we could replace creature tiles with smaller versions we could make similar but more recognizable images and even ICONS when everything is zoomed out.
So you could have maximum details when zoomed in, medium details on overview zoom and icons on far zoom. It would be awesome.
Actually, good strategy games do this too, or at least try.
Example: Civilization 4 resizes units when you zoom with a wheel, and when you zoom out it turns cities into icons and map into a flat texture, plus you can see icons representing units; upcoming Elemental turns the world map into "paper" map with drawn images instead of models when you zoom out, etc.
P.S. A crazy idea which could be done using this method: you could (either by swapping images on different zoom levels or certain hotkeys) switch graphics with ASCII without quitting the game, It could be good for planning/quick overview etc.
Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 07:12:31 am
But what I mean is, it already resizes automatically (using lanczos!), and the new tileset format allows you to specify a different default tile size from the actual .png size.
So you can provide a 64x64 tile, set magnification to 0.25, and have the automatic resizing produce a 16x16 tile by default.. while zooming in will still get you higher-quality tiles. I'd like to see that your approach is superior to that, before I add it in. ;)
The actual shader code you'd have to write is pretty much trivial, so it's not really wasted effort if I decide "yes".
Post by: Vince on August 18, 2010, 07:32:41 am
so we can use icons instead of downscaled graphics when zoomed far out. Like making a 3x3 workshop to a little symbol or something.
Zooming in seems to be covered if you downscale the "fully zoomed in" 64x64/whatever tileset like you said, but switching the tileset here can do some good, too.
We could use "iconized" chests and so on in default view and when we zoom in, we see a super-detailed view like in the mockup I posted (source: unknown by the way).
I doubt every 64x64 tile for maximum zoom level looks good downsized when zoomed out - not because lanczos is bad, but because it is too "natural" and so too indistinguishable from afar. It all becomes a blend of earth colors.
Example: Gems in a rough wall. They would have to be really HUGE and unnatural on the 64x64 tile, so that we see them at all on 16x16.
Example 2: Mason's workshop. default zoom level: like we have it now a bit "iconized", zoomed in: super-detailed, realistic, zoomed out: an icon
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7305/newcanvasiz.jpg
But you have most of it already in your code, so: HOORAY! :D
Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 07:54:11 am
Still, I'll implement this once there's a tileset capable of demonstrating its usefulness, and not a moment sooner. :P
The required (fragment) shader code would just be something like this, after all:
Code: [Select]
in vec3 tile; // Don't worry about the 3D-ness of these coordinates. It'll be obvious when you see the full code.
uniform sampler2DArray normal;
uniform sampler2DArray iconic;
===
if (DISP_X <= 8)
gl_FragColor = texture(iconic, tile);
else
gl_FragColor = texture(normal, tile);
(Incidentally, DISP_X is a constant, so the if should get optimized away. Huh. I guess I don't need to implement anything for performance at all, actually...)
Post by: Tormy on August 18, 2010, 08:04:26 am
What is it good for? Man.
Try to zoom out on ANY tileset. What do you see? Blurry round images. If we could replace creature tiles with smaller versions we could make similar but more recognizable images and even ICONS when everything is zoomed out.
So you could have maximum details when zoomed in, medium details on overview zoom and icons on far zoom. It would be awesome.
Actually, good strategy games do this too, or at least try.
Example: Civilization 4 resizes units when you zoom with a wheel, and when you zoom out it turns cities into icons and map into a flat texture, plus you can see icons representing units; upcoming Elemental turns the world map into "paper" map with drawn images instead of models when you zoom out, etc.
P.S. A crazy idea which could be done using this method: you could (either by swapping images on different zoom levels or certain hotkeys) switch graphics with ASCII without quitting the game, It could be good for planning/quick overview etc.
Another example -> Elemental - War of Magic [..to be released on aug. 24th]
Post by: Harmonica on August 18, 2010, 08:16:55 am
Post by: Tormy on August 18, 2010, 08:38:58 am
He mentioned Elemental :)
Yeah (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=25374.0). ;D
*edit* Lol heh....Planned release date: Mid-February 2010. :P
*edit #2* Man I am FUBAR today...I thought you meant that I mentioned Elemental lol........ :D
Post by: Rose on August 18, 2010, 08:41:09 am
OKay, I get the idea. :)
Still, I'll implement this once there's a tileset capable of demonstrating its usefulness, and not a moment sooner. :P
you mean those 8x8 tilesets?
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 18, 2010, 09:15:31 am
Post by: Deon on August 18, 2010, 09:19:08 am
Because yeah, my main pont is that beautiful tilesets with many details look ugly when zoomed out and you have to strain your eyes to see what's going on.
If they would be replaced by icons, it would be MUCH easier. So 3 states (max zoom in, medium and max zoom out) would be enough.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 18, 2010, 09:27:44 am
Post by: Harmonica on August 18, 2010, 09:28:41 am
Post by: Vince on August 18, 2010, 09:45:06 am
The only argument against it right now is that I'm not sure DF really warrants that level of time investment. Rarely do you need to zoom out in order to do anything.
Viewing megaprojects, planning, using it as a map/for a screenshot...
But right, you won't really PLAY in that perspective.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 18, 2010, 09:51:14 am
Hey, any chance this could interface with the mouse addon project thing? It's somewhere around here too I think.
edit: Yup. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62301.0)
Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 11:23:00 am
So there's nothing for me to implement. The infrastructure I'm already working on can already handle it.
As for pre-mipmapped images.. sure, that's trivial to implement, if you want it.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 18, 2010, 11:45:22 am
wait...
Did anyone else think "palette cycling" just now? Since the number of tiles we can use will be more or less unlimited, we could easily animate water, especially with shaders. Animate trees and grass too, by swapping out relevant tile sheets between frames. Can that be done, Baughn?
Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 11:48:56 am
Oh, and the number of tiles aren't unlimited; they're limited by available graphics memory. Given that they take four bytes per pixel, this might be more of a limit than you think. It won't be a problem given sane artists, though. :P
Post by: KillHour on August 18, 2010, 12:29:10 pm
How about an option for HQx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_art_scaling_algorithms) scaling? It would look significantly better than Lanczos, IMO.
Post by: qwert on August 18, 2010, 12:32:11 pm
Not by this method, but in general sure, yes. We discussed it a few pages back.
Oh, and the number of tiles aren't unlimited; they're limited by available graphics memory. Given that they take four bytes per pixel, this might be more of a limit than you think. It won't be a problem given sane artists, though. :P
Hrm, given no overhead my card can support 16 777 216 (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=4+gigabytes+%2F+256+bytes&aq=f&aqi=h1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=) 16x16 tiles :o
EDIT: It's an HD 5870, and DXDiag claims it to have 4070MB, but from what I can tell it is only a 1GB card ???
Still well over 4 million tiles in any case.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 18, 2010, 12:43:51 pm
(er, also remember that 4GB isn't what Google thinks. In GPUs, HDDs and RAM, a GByte is 1000000000 bytes.)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 18, 2010, 12:57:28 pm
As for pre-mipmapped images.. sure, that's trivial to implement, if you want it.
But the PNG format cant contain MIP levels, only DDS and the like do?
Edit - Wow I just had a flashback to me hand-crafting mip levels for Quake 1 textures :D
Different tiles for different zoom levels? Would that be possible?
The scaling on zoom thing is one of the reasons I'm thinking about making a 3D tileset. While it wont help so much with tiny, zoomed out tiles being hard to distinguish, it should mean any mid-large tile size will look nice without having to make multiple versions of every tile.
Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 01:00:41 pm
Also, in GPUs and RAM, a GByte is 1024^3 bytes.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 18, 2010, 01:04:31 pm
Post by: Tywuzhere on August 18, 2010, 03:54:26 pm
Post by: Aklyon on August 18, 2010, 03:57:08 pm
Post by: ginsweater on August 18, 2010, 04:03:33 pm
The scaling on zoom thing is one of the reasons I'm thinking about making a 3D tileset. While it wont help so much with tiny, zoomed out tiles being hard to distinguish, it should mean any mid-large tile size will look nice without having to make multiple versions of every tile.
Maybe you could just take more detailed control over filtering? That's one of the big advantages of shaders in 2D graphics IMO - you're not locked into bilinear scaling. You can actually control which mipmap your shader samples if you like - use the textureLod() function instead of texture().
Signed distance maps (http://www.valvesoftware.com/publications/2007/SIGGRAPH2007_AlphaTestedMagnification.pdf) are popular for "vector"-looking graphics, for example, and there are tools available to make them from high-res black-and-white images. Maybe you could use an SDM for a really nice smooth outline, and add a low- or mid-res bilinear-filtered color map?
That would require some way to provide additional texture inputs to the pixel shader beyond the current color/alpha tile maps. Baughn, have you thought about that at all? I know you're making a bunch of changes to the texture atlasing...
Multiple inputs would also allow foreground color masking, which I think people have mentioned here before. And personally, I'd be excited about the possibilities that would be opened up by adding depth maps to the tiles.
Spoiler: Photoshop mockup to explain what a depthmap is (click to show/hide)
Post by: WormSlayer on August 18, 2010, 05:00:57 pm
Maybe you could just take more detailed control over filtering?
And personally, I'd be excited about the possibilities that would be opened up by adding depth maps to the tiles.
After checking out those hqnx examples KillHour posted above I dont see why not as long as they dont eat too much gpu time.
I guess I'm having a slow day, but what could we use depth maps for? :D
Post by: Aklyon on August 18, 2010, 05:01:36 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 18, 2010, 05:04:36 pm
Only things I can think of are stuff like dorfs standing in ground mist and shallow water sort of situations?
Post by: LucasUP on August 18, 2010, 06:26:08 pm
Can't wait to see this stuff implemented.
I may accidentally pull a few levers... IN MY PANTS
ehem...
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Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 06:38:00 pm
That would require some way to provide additional texture inputs to the pixel shader beyond the current color/alpha tile maps. Baughn, have you thought about that at all? I know you're making a bunch of changes to the texture atlasing...Assuming I can get texture arrays to work (I will, by hook or by crook, but I'm really annoyed by the lack of good opengl debugging options in linux right now), then yes. Discussed it a little while back, but you can define tilesets to include any number of 2D texture arrays, each containing any number of tiles.
The non-shader modes just use the first 256 tiles of the first array (modulo graphics-mode, which I've thought a little about but won't deal with until I've got this bloody thing working), and if you don't explicitly name an array in a shader (or #ifdef it out based on runtime-defined constants, heh) it isn't loaded at all in shader-mode, so there's no overhead to that.
Meanwhile, you get any number of sampler2DArrays, each of whatever tile-size and layer-count you like.
That's sufficient, right? Or did you have something else in mind?
EDIT: Oh, I should probably allow you to specify other options than RGBA for loading the tilesets. No point in using four bytes per pixel if only one channel is meaningful, after all..
Post by: Baughn on August 18, 2010, 06:45:11 pm
It does not require directx 10. I'm still using opengl. But you do need a gpu that, hypothetically, if you were to install vista or w7, could run directx 10.
(Some weaker GPUs will probably still be able to run it, by emulating lots of things in the driver. Performance will suck.)
Post by: ginsweater on August 18, 2010, 07:26:04 pm
Assuming I can get texture arrays to work (I will, by hook or by crook, but I'm really annoyed by the lack of good opengl debugging options in linux right now), then yes. Discussed it a little while back, but you can define tilesets to include any number of 2D texture arrays, each containing any number of tiles.
I had to debug a graphics driver crash in Linux once, years ago. I feel your pain.
I'm curious - had any luck with gDEBugger (http://www.gremedy.com/gDEBuggerLinux.php)? I keep meaning to try it - it sounds really great - but have heard nothing from anybody about whether it works.
Meanwhile, you get any number of sampler2DArrays, each of whatever tile-size and layer-count you like.
That's sufficient, right? Or did you have something else in mind?
That should be plenty. I might still do some experiments with additional deferred passes (that's where my interests lie) but a lot of the stuff I'm thinking might be hackable with adjacent-tile lookups.
Only things I can think of are stuff like dorfs standing in ground mist and shallow water sort of situations?
My head is obviously too deep in lighting and shadow stuff! I was imagining various lighting effects that become possible with depth information. Ground mist effects are a neat idea, though! I bet I could do really cool miasma as an overlay...
Post by: Artanis00 on August 18, 2010, 07:34:31 pm
Only things I can think of are stuff like dorfs standing in ground mist and shallow water sort of situations?
My head is obviously too deep in lighting and shadow stuff! I was imagining various lighting effects that become possible with depth information. Ground mist effects are a neat idea, though! I bet I could do really cool miasma as an overlay...
Like this, perhaps?
http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/04/Soft-Particles
Post by: Turambar on August 18, 2010, 07:38:53 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 18, 2010, 07:52:18 pm
My head is obviously too deep in lighting and shadow stuff! I was imagining various lighting effects that become possible with depth information. Ground mist effects are a neat idea, though! I bet I could do really cool miasma as an overlay...
Lighting and shadows would be pretty freakin awesome! :D
Miasma/dust/etc. is also something I was thinking about - At the very least we can add some semi-transparent edges to it even if we cant tell whats underneath.
Particle systems? Well shit I'll use them if someone can hack them in :D
It's going to be a lot of work just figuring out how to use all these new features never mind making the graphics :F
Post by: ginsweater on August 18, 2010, 08:25:40 pm
Miasma/dust/etc. is also something I was thinking about - At the very least we can add some semi-transparent edges to it even if we cant tell whats underneath.
Honestly, I think I may be completely hamstrung just by the fact that it's way more fun to code up effects and say "Look what I could do in theory!" than it is to actually put stuff in the game. ;D
Post by: Artanis00 on August 18, 2010, 10:16:44 pm
That is not what soft particles are for.
Possibly. I was thinking about the concept behind them more than the particle part itself.
Basically, my train of thought was "depth maps to cloud effects to- hey, there's this neat effect over at the wolfire blog with nifty cloud effects via depth maps, maybe they'd like to see."
We don't have all the tile info, though, so blending cloud effects like that is kinda silly. At least until we can talk Toady into making multiple passes as mentioned earlier.
Hopefully that's clearer?
Post by: Prastary on August 19, 2010, 03:58:45 am
Oh, by the way. Simple explanation of shader-mode constraints: It requires directx 10-capable hardware.
:'( :'( :'(
Post by: Baughn on August 19, 2010, 04:25:39 am
I might be able to backport some of this later, but no promises.
Post by: McBeer on August 19, 2010, 04:38:58 am
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It requires directx 10-capable hardware.All right guys, maybe let's forget about it then.
It's becoming ridiculous a bit now.
Actually, my only need is having nonrestricted tile assignement(any number OF TILES) system.
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 04:56:14 am
(D)esigner: This car can have a TV!
(C)rowd: Yay!
(D): Also it will have a rocket engine!
(C): Yippee!
(D): Also it can fly and swim underwater!
(C): Awesome!
(D): It will cost 10 million dollars.
(C): ...
Post by: Vince on August 19, 2010, 05:01:44 am
That's Toady's part and it will be done. And you certainly won't need DX10 Hardware for it.QuoteIt requires directx 10-capable hardware.All right guys, maybe let's forget about it then.
It's becoming ridiculous a bit now.
Actually, my only need is having nonrestricted tile assignement(any number OF TILES) system.
Vote for "Full graphics support" here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/eternal_voting.php), if you haven't already :)
We just try to have it earlier, which is hard, and needs the hardware, don't forget that.
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It looked like this:
(D)esigner: This car can have a TV!
(C)rowd: Yay!
(D): Also it will have a rocket engine!
(C): Yippee!
(D): Also it can fly and swim underwater!
(C): Awesome!
(D): It will cost 10 million dollars.
(C): ...
Let's not forget that we are trying to work around given limitations here.
It's not that DF would necessarily need DX10 hardware to show some eye candy (like a tile for everything or "surrounding-aware" tiles) if some things were implemented from the start.
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 05:03:39 am
Post by: Vince on August 19, 2010, 05:08:00 am
I don't say that it's bad, it just looked like that :). I have DX10 compatible cards on 2 PCs but my Laptop won't handle it, so it's not critical but a bit sad.
I agree to that. :)
But this situation has always happened and will always happen with computers.
"Ah, I need a CD drive now!" "Oh, I need a 3D accelerator now! "Ah, I need DX10 hardware now!" and so on.
The problem here is that DF still looks like a game from the nineties, so we don't see the hardware hunger justified.
"It has shit graphics, why do I need a good gfx-card for it?" Well, because gfx-cards with their shaders can do more than just graphics.
Hell, our university even uses a rack of PS3 for parallel computing.
Of course, we wouldn't REALLY need the shaders if Toady implements some things, but he has better things to do. :D (That villages are SO AMAZING!)
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 05:34:06 am
We need Ironhand to show up and upload a few more tiles, so we could all yell "awesome" and "godlike!".
Post by: Prastary on August 19, 2010, 05:44:56 am
It's becoming ridiculous a bit now.
Its completely super-over-ridiculous for a graphics such as in DF...
(But of course I'm happy than Baughn sacrifices his time trying to improve DF, even if I will not benefit from it)
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 05:49:07 am
Post by: Baughn on August 19, 2010, 06:28:20 am
And some ideas, of course, would never really be possible on the cpu at all. I figure it's better for some people to be able to use them than nobody. DX10-class hardware is just going to get more and more common, anyway.
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 06:31:39 am
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I figure it's better for some people to be able to use them than nobody.I agree. It will leave an option to find a working hardware rather than just dream about graphics :).
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 19, 2010, 06:35:37 am
Post by: McBeer on August 19, 2010, 06:58:49 am
The problem here is that DF still looks like a game from the nineties, so we don't see the hardware hunger justified.
And it is why i am worried NOW.
Believe me, it is NOT A PROBLEM, only thing that is ridiculous is still same method for handling tiles, imo.
Personally - if DF would look like, let's say Elona i wouldn't play it. Never ever.
Ascii was great for ADOM, but i needed DFG set to accept DF and it was ENOUGH(until i realized how tiles are handled, oh god, how BAD it is...).
Although i would have few missing effects(torches, FOG OF WAR), but to be honest, i am afraid what way it may take regarding masses of brainless consumers novadays(if it's not shining, it's useless -you know, typical console user mind-type:/).
So, i am afraid, because, shining dx10 DF is not exactly main thing to do, while whole lots of things are needed to be done first:
- soap fixes,
- new GUI for handling i.e. 45 types of plants in LOGICAL way(SORTING! - absolutely neccesary, imo),
- new GUI/overlay elements - i need MORE pernament info in screen(mood of chosen being, statuses etc) - i am aware how many things are going on ingame - problem is - i CANNOT READ about it(that's why i was horny about idea of bubbles AND question about how much can we log), cannot see it, etc.
Post by: Vince on August 19, 2010, 07:03:36 am
So, i am afraid, because, shining dx10 DF is not exactly main thing to do, while whole lots of things are needed to be done first:Well, no one here can do anything about this.
- soap fixes,
- new GUI for handling i.e. 45 types of plants in LOGICAL way(SORTING! - absolutely neccesary, imo),
- new GUI/overlay elements - i need MORE pernament info in screen(mood of chosen being, statuses etc) - i am aware how many things are going on ingame - problem is - i CANNOT READ about it(that's why i was horny about idea of bubbles AND question about how much can we log), cannot see it, etc.
All programming is Toady's work. He just outsourced the graphics part to Baughn and co. And he can't change the GUI (well not so much as you want ;D) .
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masses of brainless consumersAs if they would have fun with DF, where losing is fun. :D The gameplay will not change.
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 07:06:39 am
DX10 is required to make graphics WITHOUT making Toady to make it. That's the main reason why Baughn is so busy with it, because it's him, not Toady One doing graphics. Toady One still works on the game content, so I don't see a reason of your post at all.
Post by: Urist McFail on August 19, 2010, 07:15:53 am
I don't usually post, as I prefer lurking, but for the few posters lamenting the need for a more powerful gx card; I don't understand what the problem is.
If your laptop cannot handle this lushness (which is an added feature) just stop reading this thread.
What you don't know, will not hurt you in this case.
For you, there will be no difference in terms of hardware because the current system will still be supported.
For the majority of people using DF, they won't even be aware of this thread and it will not affect them.
I use DF on my Desktop PC with its 1.5 kilowatt psu and my NETBOOK with intel GX chip using under 150 watts, personally, whilst on the laptop, I prefer using ascii, and have occasionally used Ironhands or Maydays gx pack.
Post by: Urist McFail on August 19, 2010, 07:19:38 am
Perhaps using the current 'tab' system to split te gui into 3 with a map, menu and another map that is indepentantly scrollable.
Post by: McBeer on August 19, 2010, 07:35:42 am
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don't see a reason of your post at all.
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If your laptop cannot handle this lushness (which is an added feature) just stop reading this thread.You know what, it's good idea.
(unsuscribed - my languague skills are too low to explain properly what i had on my mind, i am not against THESE ways of overriding engine possibilities, i am not sorry for MAC and linux users for lack of directx, btw).
Good luck.
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 07:37:59 am
I really don't understand why don't you like someone doing something they (and others) like. For example I may not like some indie tools but I just don't use them and don't type in that thread.
Post by: Vince on August 19, 2010, 08:00:14 am
something you said about "He can't do as much as you want" and deleted before I could quote.Nope. He has NO ACCESS to this information. That's how programming works - encapsulation.
He doesn't even have the full source code of Dwarf Fortress!
Post by: Tormy on August 19, 2010, 08:37:23 am
Hmm.
I don't usually post, as I prefer lurking, but for the few posters lamenting the need for a more powerful gx card; I don't understand what the problem is.
If your laptop cannot handle this lushness (which is an added feature) just stop reading this thread.
What you don't know, will not hurt you in this case.
For you, there will be no difference in terms of hardware because the current system will still be supported.
For the majority of people using DF, they won't even be aware of this thread and it will not affect them.
I use DF on my Desktop PC with its 1.5 kilowatt psu and my NETBOOK with intel GX chip using under 150 watts, personally, whilst on the laptop, I prefer using ascii, and have occasionally used Ironhands or Maydays gx pack.
Agreed. It's pointless to complain in a situation like this. :o
Post by: carebear on August 19, 2010, 09:23:10 am
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 09:34:41 am
The stuff Baughn makes is his own project and is not related to actual representation of DF itself (which won't be upgraded at least for a dozen of years because Toady One has other stuff to do before that).
The fact that Toady One allows Baughn to upgrade the graphical part is a miracle by itself, so let's stop complaining.
Post by: Baughn on August 19, 2010, 09:46:19 am
This is not DF, but it's running the same graphics code as DF. It can also play back DF .cmv files, so I'll get you a proper DF-like screenshot later tonight.
(http://brage.info/~svein/shaded.png)
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An example new-style tileset
# The first array specified *always* sets the base tile size.
# More specifically, the first .png file in that array.
# Oh, and this is a comment. Blank lines work too.
array base 1.0
base.png 16 16
# And here's a double-size copy of the same tiles, which is admittedly ignored by this fragment shader.
array extra 2.0 mipmap
base.png 16 16
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#version 140 // -*- Mode: C++ -*-
// Default vertex shader. It uses 6 vertexes per tile; depending on profile results, it might be
// better to use a single one (a point), and convert that to triangles in a geometry shader.
// Inserted by DF:
// GRID_X: Number of tiles (horizontally)
// GRID_Y: Number of tiles (vertically)
// DISP_X: Horizontal tile size, in pixels
// DISP_Y: Vertical tile size, in pixels
// vec4[16] colors: colors.txt
#line 9
// Inputs from DF. DO NOT RENAME!
in vec4 screenpos; // Normalized device location for this vertex
in ivec2 rel_tile; // rel_tile.xy = screen location.
in int gl_VertexID;
uniform uvec3 abs_tile; // abs_tile + rel_tile = fort location
uniform float time; // Seconds since DF was started
// Buffer containing DF screen data
uniform usamplerBuffer tile_array;
// Output defined by OpenGL
out vec4 gl_Position; // Location to actually draw the vertex at
// Output to fragment shader. Feel free to use whatever.
flat out vec4 color_fg, color_bg;
// Three-dimensional texture position. The actual tile to use is in z,
// but we also need texture coordinates ranging from 0 to 1.
smooth out vec3 texpos;
uint get_data(ivec2 loc) { return texelFetch(tile_array, loc.x * GRID_Y + loc.y).r; }
uint get_tile(uint data) { return data & 0x00ffffffu; }
vec4 get_fg(uint data) { return colors[int((data & 0x0f000000u) >> 24u)]; }
vec4 get_bg(uint data) { return colors[int((data & 0xf0000000u) >> 28u)]; }
void main() {
// Write the position through.
gl_Position = screenpos;
// Compute the foreground and background colors
uint data = get_data(rel_tile);
color_fg = get_fg(data);
color_bg = get_bg(data);
// Compute the texture position. Notice how we prefer a bit of extra calculation to ifs..
// Though TODO: We can save quite a lot of work with a geometry shader.
vec2 coords[6] = vec2[](vec2(0,0), vec2(0,1), vec2(1,0),
vec2(1,0), vec2(0,1), vec2(1,1));
texpos = vec3(coords[gl_VertexID % 6], get_tile(data));
}
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#version 140 // -*- mode: C++ -*-
uniform float time; // Seconds since DF was started
flat in vec4 color_fg, color_bg;
smooth in vec3 texpos;
// Texture array according to the tileset
uniform sampler2DArray base;
void main() {
// gl_FragColor = color_fg;
vec4 color_tex = texture(base, texpos.yxz);
gl_FragColor = mix(color_bg, color_tex * color_fg, color_tex.a);
}
Post by: qwert on August 19, 2010, 10:08:08 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 19, 2010, 10:28:06 am
Post by: Classico on August 19, 2010, 10:52:53 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 19, 2010, 01:34:11 pm
Post by: Classico on August 19, 2010, 01:50:47 pm
We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when...
/end derail
Back on topic. When talking about computers, the smart ass used to ask if it could run Crysis. In the future, it'll be "Yeah, but can you run Dwarf Fortress?" 8)
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 01:54:55 pm
Mein Führer! I can walk! :DHuh?
Just a note, about only 1 in 5 gamers (http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/) do not have DX 10/11 compatible cards, the first of which were released 4 years ago. (Heck I just bought a card to replace one that died, and it was only ~$30 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125251), fully DX10 compatible).My card costs 10$ (Geforce 9800) and it supports it too. My previous card (Geforce 8600 which died) served me a few years before that and it had dx10 support too. Honestly, you can miss one movie in iMax and buy yourself a Directx10 card. Well, unless you're like me spending all your money on your son and wife. But I've bought the card before so that's okay :D.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 19, 2010, 02:34:10 pm
Huh?
Classico's avatar is Dr. Strangelove (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/) - Absolutely classic movie, Peter Sellers at his best, cant recommend highly enough! :D
Also it's true, you can pick up dirt cheap DX10+ graphics cards now, I dont think anything less is even available?
Post by: ghostxxx on August 19, 2010, 02:34:23 pm
P.S.
Elona was a sweet game. Graphics were a bit rough, but I loved the concept.
Post by: Prastary on August 19, 2010, 03:30:30 pm
My card costs 10$ (Geforce 9800) and it supports it too. My previous card (Geforce 8600 which died) served me a few years before that and it had dx10 support too. Honestly, you can miss one movie in iMax and buy yourself a Directx10 card. Well, unless you're like me spending all your money on your son and wife. But I've bought the card before so that's okay :D.
In many cases its not so simple, bacause to use a new card you must change almost whole computer (e.g. mainboard still with agp)... So it's not silly 10$.
Back to the theme - Ironhand you could throw us some graphical bone or you will have another few pages of offtop :)
Post by: Tormy on August 19, 2010, 03:40:50 pm
Mein Führer! I can walk! :DHuh?Just a note, about only 1 in 5 gamers (http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/) do not have DX 10/11 compatible cards, the first of which were released 4 years ago. (Heck I just bought a card to replace one that died, and it was only ~$30 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125251), fully DX10 compatible).My card costs 10$ (Geforce 9800) and it supports it too. My previous card (Geforce 8600 which died) served me a few years before that and it had dx10 support too. Honestly, you can miss one movie in iMax and buy yourself a Directx10 card. Well, unless you're like me spending all your money on your son and wife. But I've bought the card before so that's okay :D.
Huh? You probably meant $100 at least. :P
Post by: ginsweater on August 19, 2010, 03:50:35 pm
Huh? You probably meant $100 at least. :P
No, really - here (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127472) is a $34 card that should be able to run shader-mode. Probably there are cheaper cards out there, that was the one I found in 30 seconds.
The real problem - and the reason most commercial games still have some legacy support for DX9 hardware - is laptops and all-in-ones. Of course, DF has legacy support for older hardware as well...
Back to the theme - Ironhand you could throw us some graphical bone or you will have another few pages of offtop :)
How about this? This is a mockup in Rendermonkey (ATI's shader editor) of depth-blending, which Artanis and I were talking about before the derail of the derail. Please excuse the cheesy Photoshop Cloud texture I used as noise:
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2lu7w2o.png)
As I see it, next job is to get some prettiness up and running to justify this semi-fancy hardware.
In 3D, you have to do all this crazy spherical math to do depth-blending, but in 2D it's dead simple. Here's the shader:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
We don't have all the tile info, though, so blending cloud effects like that is kinda silly. At least until we can talk Toady into making multiple passes as mentioned earlier.
Pretty much, although as WormSlayer said, it might be possible to do something neat around the edges. And Baughn foolishly said that multiple passes might not be unreasonable! :P
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 03:53:53 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 19, 2010, 04:02:22 pm
How about this?
(http://i36.tinypic.com/2lu7w2o.png)
Yeah its great for foggy effects - Also we could do a sharp transition at a certain "height" for dorfs standing in pools of various depth.
Post by: Tormy on August 19, 2010, 04:51:03 pm
No I've bought it for 10$ because I've got it in a "used computer parts" shop where people sell hardware when they upgrade. You can buy new one for around 80$, but you don't need 9800 for this case because there're other much cheaper cards with DX10 support. And you can get AGP cards with DX10 support, but usually they are expensive, around 75 bucks, so yeah...
$10 for a used 9800 is still a very good deal! ;) Anyway...yeah..the DX10 compatible cards are very cheap.
Post by: Baughn on August 19, 2010, 05:05:00 pm
Post by: Stakudomer on August 19, 2010, 06:41:17 pm
I may start using this instead of Mayday's set, now. The walls and ground look really nice, smoothed floors don't make me dizzy, and having a ridiculous amount of graphically distinct mushrooms makes me really happy for some reason.
I don't much care for the water and loose stone/ore tiles, though. The water doesn't look liquid at all; it resembles whipped cream to me. Stone and ore are too similar to each other and are, well, kind of ugly. I much preferred the second batch here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1391768#msg1391768), though a few Tile Magic™ veins on the ore chunks might help them stand out more.
Now if only my aging PC could support DX10 video cards...
Post by: Baughn on August 19, 2010, 06:59:44 pm
Don't you get really low framerates?
Post by: Aklyon on August 19, 2010, 07:32:18 pm
I'm.. continually amazed that people actually run DF on computers that old.DF can run on a crappy 225MB RAM, 6-year-old laptop if you have the patience for constant <=5 FPS. (If you think thats oddly specific, its because thats how my previous computer was. Ugh.)
Don't you get really low framerates?
Post by: WormSlayer on August 19, 2010, 07:48:16 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/kwBlP.png)
Edit- Some of those mushrooms look like a job for Dwarfio? :D
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/299/dwarfio.png)
Post by: omglazers on August 19, 2010, 08:19:09 pm
(http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/299/dwarfio.png)
O_O
:'( Im so happy.
Post by: Stakudomer on August 19, 2010, 08:30:26 pm
I'm.. continually amazed that people actually run DF on computers that old.
Don't you get really low framerates?
It's not that old...
I've got a 2GHz dual-core with 3GB RAM and a Geforce 7900 GS. I can run 3v3 Supreme Commander on not-lowest settings, but the card lacks the extensions you specified and the motherboard uses AGP so I can't upgrade any further. My framerate in DF is fine, though I've yet to hit the 200 dwarf population cap...
Post by: WormSlayer on August 19, 2010, 09:24:30 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0pfWN.png)
Post by: Setharnas on August 19, 2010, 09:29:10 pm
I'm.. continually amazed that people actually run DF on computers that old.
Don't you get really low framerates?
It's not that old...
I've got a 2GHz dual-core with 3GB RAM and a Geforce 7900 GS. I can run 3v3 Supreme Commander on not-lowest settings, but the card lacks the extensions you specified and the motherboard uses AGP so I can't upgrade any further. My framerate in DF is fine, though I've yet to hit the 200 dwarf population cap...
I can top that. 32b CPU (Athlon XP 3000+) with 2GB and a 7600GT. I play Oblivion with 230+ active mods (including OBSE-mods) and a handpicked set of texture upgrades - not perfectly fluid, but 15-25 fps, which I consider perfectly playable. But the GPU won't run OGL3.x either - and I prefer food on the table over a roguelike on steroids. :P
*Edit* And yay for pirate skulls'n'bones.
Post by: omglazers on August 19, 2010, 09:50:46 pm
Since everyone hates on the skull corpses, how about cliché skull n crossbones? :P
It's not accurate, but hell, its easy to spot! I like it !
Post by: Dearnen on August 19, 2010, 10:13:50 pm
Post by: andfhe on August 19, 2010, 10:24:18 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 19, 2010, 10:32:56 pm
(http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4397/jwaterv.jpg)
I have tried to rework the water/blood tile :
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The tile itself if someone wants to try to work his pixel skills on it to improve the result
(http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/3624/51093992.png)
Post by: Aklyon on August 19, 2010, 10:46:45 pm
Is there a seperate paved road tile? That might look nice.
Post by: Deon on August 19, 2010, 11:31:09 pm
Post by: KillHour on August 20, 2010, 12:44:11 am
(http://7237057187903391082-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/shadow516/DFWater.png)
(http://7237057187903391082-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/shadow516/ironhand.png)
Post by: Deon on August 20, 2010, 01:34:45 am
I have athlon3200+ with 1Gb ram and geforce9800. :) So yeah. I find it nice because most games run fine.I'm.. continually amazed that people actually run DF on computers that old.
Don't you get really low framerates?
It's not that old...
I've got a 2GHz dual-core with 3GB RAM and a Geforce 7900 GS. I can run 3v3 Supreme Commander on not-lowest settings, but the card lacks the extensions you specified and the motherboard uses AGP so I can't upgrade any further. My framerate in DF is fine, though I've yet to hit the 200 dwarf population cap...
I can top that. 32b CPU (Athlon XP 3000+) with 2GB and a 7600GT. I play Oblivion with 230+ active mods (including OBSE-mods) and a handpicked set of texture upgrades - not perfectly fluid, but 15-25 fps, which I consider perfectly playable. But the GPU won't run OGL3.x either - and I prefer food on the table over a roguelike on steroids. :P
*Edit* And yay for pirate skulls'n'bones.
How about this for water?Could you show it in the game?
(http://7237057187903391082-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/shadow516/DFWater.png)
(http://7237057187903391082-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/shadow516/ironhand.png)
Post by: Stakudomer on August 20, 2010, 01:54:48 am
I also noticed I forgot to bring any dogs. :(
Are there any plans to make ores and coal look different from regular rock while still in the ground? They look really nice right now, but they're also hard to spot. (especially if you're not used to the tileset yet) There's also a really light soil type that looks a lot like rock. I may need to take some screenshots later. Native platinum sticks out really well, though.
Overall, I'm not sure what I think of this tileset yet. The way everything seems to blend together makes it harder to tell tiles apart, so I feel like I don't know where stuff is. On the other hand, that same effect makes the scenery as a whole a lot prettier. I probably just need time to get used to it, so I'll keep playing and see how it goes.
Post by: Harmonica on August 20, 2010, 07:46:20 am
Since everyone hates on the skull corpses, how about cliché skull n crossbones? :P
(http://i.imgur.com/0pfWN.png)
Better than the talking-skull-from-Planescape :) But I still think it looks out of place in a realistic set. Maybe you could make a proper 'pile o' bones' that looked like a picked over corpse.
Post by: Vince on August 20, 2010, 09:17:52 am
Better than the talking-skull-from-Planescape :) But I still think it looks out of place in a realistic set. Maybe you could make a proper 'pile o' bones' that looked like a picked over corpse.I agree.
Post by: Deon on August 20, 2010, 11:13:24 am
Post by: Maldevious on August 20, 2010, 11:31:20 am
Post by: McBeer on August 20, 2010, 11:33:53 am
Post by: KillHour on August 20, 2010, 11:41:45 am
Could you show it in the game?
Sure, here:
(http://i37.tinypic.com/esp7oh.png)
Post by: Harmonica on August 20, 2010, 11:45:05 am
Post by: Aklyon on August 20, 2010, 11:54:18 am
Post by: Robsoie on August 20, 2010, 11:56:38 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you want to try and see how the animation of the water render, here is the 0.48 tileset with the 2 water tiles setup :
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Post by: Still Standing on August 20, 2010, 12:14:53 pm
I noticed in the tileset there is a tile used for some rock in the process of being destroyed that could maybe render good as water/blood too.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you want to try and see how the animation of the water render, here is the 0.48 tileset with the 2 water tiles setup :Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Woah, I see in your screenshot a well... Does making a well like that work?! I never even considered that, I normally make complicated systems with underground reservoirs...
Post by: Rose on August 20, 2010, 12:21:29 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 20, 2010, 02:21:36 pm
As it seems the dwarves will give priority to the well, allowing me to control a bit more where will be their drink zone.
I remember before doing such thing that more than very often, to not say everytime, despite the orders were set to drink only from the designed zone, dwarves were happily ignoring my drink zone and sometime going very far to drink.
Can't count how much of those idiots i lost to goblin ambushes, or in the case of difficult embarks to dangerous animals.
Post by: HeliumFreak on August 20, 2010, 03:22:59 pm
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Actually could you make this one a little less "intense" blue? I maybe like this one better :o
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Post by: Robsoie on August 20, 2010, 03:29:07 pm
About this (a bit calm) water version, i tried to make it animated with a modification of the 2nd water tile, here is the tileset to try it :
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Actually could you make this one a little less "intense" blue? I maybe like this one betterArent colors decided by the colors.txt located in your DF\data\init\ ?
Post by: Harmonica on August 21, 2010, 03:07:29 am
Post by: Tormy on August 21, 2010, 06:43:42 am
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*edit*
Now that I think about it....it would be awesome if DF would look like Wesnoth graphically...:)
Post by: Harmonica on August 21, 2010, 08:20:51 am
Post by: LucasUP on August 21, 2010, 06:49:08 pm
I'm not really playing much DF lately, but I'm exclusively playing with this set now.
I wonder if in newer DF versions, graphics will be separated a bit better from the raws and easier to switch between/install. Sounds like it will be to some degree.
Post by: WormSlayer on August 21, 2010, 10:00:37 pm
I finally got around to including this set, and making it easy (I think) to switch between Ironhand/Mayday/Phoeb, in my Lazy Newb Pack.
I'm not really playing much DF lately, but I'm exclusively playing with this set now.
I wonder if in newer DF versions, graphics will be separated a bit better from the raws and easier to switch between/install. Sounds like it will be to some degree.
Nice :D
Unfortunately I think it may complicate switching tilesets because there will be a lot more variation possible?
So many possibilities with shaders, including theoretically awesome water, but we'll see how it goes :D
IH is back from vacation but still pretty busy so we probably wont get any cool new critters for a while :(
Post by: Zerocyde on August 21, 2010, 11:02:59 pm
Post by: Vince on August 22, 2010, 04:02:08 am
Is there a key anywhere that shows what each ironhand tile is?
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2113 use this :)
Post by: Baughn on August 23, 2010, 07:05:03 am
(And the framerate is normally limited to 50. I don't think we're going to run into GPU speed issues anytime soon.)
Post by: Baughn on August 23, 2010, 07:07:08 am
...actually, what do I need the vertex shader for? I can do most of that stuff in the geometry shader, I think. Let's see...
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 23, 2010, 08:17:59 am
Post by: Baughn on August 23, 2010, 08:28:39 am
It's still a win, though.
Post by: Harmonica on August 23, 2010, 12:32:14 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on August 23, 2010, 06:51:06 pm
Adding a geometry shader increases framerate by 50%, from 330 to 485, so I think I'm just going to do that by default. It's a win because it means the vertex shader gets run once per tile instead of six times in duplicate; that's using my very simple default vertex shader on an 8600GTM, which is pretty much the worst case for this geometry shader optimization. :P
(And the framerate is normally limited to 50. I don't think we're going to run into GPU speed issues anytime soon.)
Dont worry; it'll soon grind to a halt under my inept programming skills :D
Post by: ginsweater on August 24, 2010, 02:40:03 am
Adding a geometry shader increases framerate by 50%, from 330 to 485, so I think I'm just going to do that by default. It's a win because it means the vertex shader gets run once per tile instead of six times in duplicate; that's using my very simple default vertex shader on an 8600GTM, which is pretty much the worst case for this geometry shader optimization. :P
That's great news! And way higher than the static analysis tools I've been using have been suggesting framerate will be on that series. (I guess NVShaderPerf lies. I don't know why I'm surprised by this.)
I've now gotten my basic blend shader (don't know if it works, but it compiles!) down to the range of 30 instructions or so. Right now I'm doing blends purely in the fragment shader, which seems to mean doing 9 texture lookups, which is pretty expensive. (But of course too small for branches to help.) I think there should be a way to expand the tile edges and blend using the fixed-function hardware, but I haven't quite gotten the math down yet...
Post by: Baughn on August 24, 2010, 04:46:32 am
Post by: oolon1 on August 24, 2010, 11:37:05 pm
I'm.. continually amazed that people actually run DF on computers that old.
Don't you get really low framerates?
Considering clock speeds haven't increased in a few years, and DF really only uses one core, I'm not surprised. I'm running a three year old E6750, but it's overclocked to 3.2 GHz. I'm guessing it runs DF about as well as any i7 at the same clock speed. 40-50 fps with a full fort (assuming I don't get the dreaded spatter replication bug, which I try very hard to avoid).
Post by: qwert on August 25, 2010, 12:03:18 am
I'm.. continually amazed that people actually run DF on computers that old.
Don't you get really low framerates?
Considering clock speeds haven't increased in a few years, and DF really only uses one core, I'm not surprised. I'm running a three year old E6750, but it's overclocked to 3.2 GHz. I'm guessing it runs DF about as well as any i7 at the same clock speed. 40-50 fps with a full fort (assuming I don't get the dreaded spatter replication bug, which I try very hard to avoid).
Surprisingly, from the fps test thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62372.50), you can clearly see that while GHz does matter for similar chips, between architectures it means almost nothing. As an example, my i5 750 @ 2.56 GHz got 10-20 more fps than someone with your cpu running at 2.66, and I normally overclock it to 3.8.
Post by: riffraffselbow on August 25, 2010, 04:26:49 am
Just look at the P4's. The general consensus is that the architecture was designed around getting large numbers for Ghz, no matter the actual performance.I'm.. continually amazed that people actually run DF on computers that old.
Don't you get really low framerates?
Considering clock speeds haven't increased in a few years, and DF really only uses one core, I'm not surprised. I'm running a three year old E6750, but it's overclocked to 3.2 GHz. I'm guessing it runs DF about as well as any i7 at the same clock speed. 40-50 fps with a full fort (assuming I don't get the dreaded spatter replication bug, which I try very hard to avoid).
Surprisingly, from the fps test thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62372.50), you can clearly see that while GHz does matter for similar chips, between architectures it means almost nothing. As an example, my i5 750 @ 2.56 GHz got 10-20 more fps than someone with your cpu running at 2.66, and I normally overclock it to 3.8.
Post by: blub-dwarf on August 25, 2010, 03:48:39 pm
is it posible to shrink your mod to 9x9 or 11x11 ? do i need to shrink every single dwarf or can i just shirnk the hole picture?
i saw a realy nice 9x9 mod but with too little grafiks so i thought i could shrink yours to see more on my little lcd
Post by: krenshala on August 25, 2010, 06:24:57 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 25, 2010, 06:49:18 pm
Or if you make the window smaller, it'll shrink them so that 80 tiles can always fit horizontally.
Post by: Baughn on August 26, 2010, 06:47:28 am
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 26, 2010, 07:17:05 am
Post by: Baughn on August 26, 2010, 08:50:55 am
Yes, it's theoretically possible with what we've got now, or are about to get, at least.
Given the generated text, though.. it would *not* look good. You'd probably be better off passing those bits through babelfish in realtime.
Post by: Carpman on August 26, 2010, 04:46:48 pm
Is there a way to fix this? Is it a problem on my end?
Sorry if I was unclear about this, and thanks in advance.
Post by: Deon on August 26, 2010, 05:05:06 pm
Post by: Carpman on August 26, 2010, 07:34:24 pm
And could someone please tell me how to integrate these graphics into a vanilla game that's already started? Or is that impossible?
Post by: Ironhand on August 26, 2010, 08:06:21 pm
Post by: Carpman on August 26, 2010, 08:21:54 pm
Download the upgrade pack and just drag all of that into your game, merging folders and replacing whatever files get overlapped.Sorry, but I tried that and it didn't work :(. My animals show up as letters, and my dwarves show up kinda looking like these guys (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Graphics_sets#Chariot.27s_Full_Graphics_Set_.28v0.97.29) (but not exactly, I think they're from a tileset that I can't find on the wiki).
Keep in mind that I get this when I continue a game that I started yesterday with the default tileset.
EDIT: Derp de derp. All I had to do was run the savegame_updater! It works perfectly now, thanks guys.
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on August 27, 2010, 12:55:19 am
..I can't believe I'm saying this.Heh, yeah, it'd turn out mangled. I shudder to think what a japanese translation would look like.
Yes, it's theoretically possible with what we've got now, or are about to get, at least.
Given the generated text, though.. it would *not* look good. You'd probably be better off passing those bits through babelfish in realtime.
That said, for many years before our publishers began properly undertaking localizations of english games, pirate translations were a vital part of russian gaming. You can't imagine the kinds of mangled and mistranslated sentences that could be encountered in those. A most memorable one for me is the "The sun is our destroyer now, Christoff" line from VtM:Redemption, which was translated as "Солнце наш эскадренный миноносец теперь, Кристоф" - with "destroyer" translated into its naval equivalent. So, a mangled translation won't be a problem most of the time.
Post by: Ironhand on August 27, 2010, 07:41:45 am
Download the upgrade pack and just drag all of that into your game, merging folders and replacing whatever files get overlapped.Sorry, but I tried that and it didn't work :(. My animals show up as letters, and my dwarves show up kinda looking like these guys (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Graphics_sets#Chariot.27s_Full_Graphics_Set_.28v0.97.29) (but not exactly, I think they're from a tileset that I can't find on the wiki).
Keep in mind that I get this when I continue a game that I started yesterday with the default tileset.
EDIT: Derp de derp. All I had to do was run the savegame_updater! It works perfectly now, thanks guys.
Uh... are you making sure you're keeping ALL the files that are in the upgrade pack?
You should be clicking "move and replace" or whatever is the equivalent in your OS.
the raw folder should merge with your raw folder, and the data folder with your data folder.
Post by: Baughn on August 27, 2010, 08:12:13 am
Including raw/graphics. Which is crazy, really.
Post by: Deon on August 27, 2010, 08:38:29 am
Post by: Carpman on August 27, 2010, 10:37:12 am
Yeah, whenever it asked me if I wanted the files to merge, I said yes, and I told it to copy and replace whenever possible. It's not a problem anymore though, since it's working perfectly in the game I already started.Download the upgrade pack and just drag all of that into your game, merging folders and replacing whatever files get overlapped.Sorry, but I tried that and it didn't work :(. My animals show up as letters, and my dwarves show up kinda looking like these guys (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Graphics_sets#Chariot.27s_Full_Graphics_Set_.28v0.97.29) (but not exactly, I think they're from a tileset that I can't find on the wiki).
Keep in mind that I get this when I continue a game that I started yesterday with the default tileset.
EDIT: Derp de derp. All I had to do was run the savegame_updater! It works perfectly now, thanks guys.
Uh... are you making sure you're keeping ALL the files that are in the upgrade pack?
You should be clicking "move and replace" or whatever is the equivalent in your OS.
the raw folder should merge with your raw folder, and the data folder with your data folder.
Post by: Harmonica on August 27, 2010, 11:12:00 am
data/save/regionX/raw/
and you need to replace them if you want to mod a savegame.
Post by: Igfig on August 27, 2010, 06:12:59 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 27, 2010, 06:19:18 pm
And I think rather than telling you I can get some sprites out and then failing to do so,
it's better for me to tell you I'm taking a break and then surprise you with a sprite here and there if I can.
So for now, at least until I get into the schedule and on top of my classes, I'm gonna take a little break.
As soon as Baughn gets all that new stuff out, I won't be able to stay away.
But for now, WormSlayer can carry the load.
Sorry, guys.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder anyway.
Post by: McBeer on August 27, 2010, 06:42:26 pm
Does anybody know if tile 219 (the solid block) is used anywhere other than the trade depot? If not, I think it could stand to get a new, less wavy makeover. Big square tiles with beveled edges and some fine cracks might look good.hm, that's interesting, worth a try;
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Tilesets
says it's "Any solid color tile".
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I'm gonna take a little break.Take care.
Post by: Harmonica on August 27, 2010, 06:52:24 pm
Does anybody know if tile 219 (the solid block) is used anywhere other than the trade depot? If not, I think it could stand to get a new, less wavy makeover. Big square tiles with beveled edges and some fine cracks might look good.
It's the tile used for designated dig tiles. It might be used for miasma and the like when it is 100% solid miasma, or that might just be hardcoded as a solid colour, can't remember.
Anyway, I added bevel to it as other graphic sets do and yes it looks a lot better for trade depots.
Post by: Igfig on August 27, 2010, 06:54:58 pm
Post by: Dark_Tundra on August 27, 2010, 10:09:34 pm
I know it says "Any solid color tile", but I couldn't think of any other places where it appeared. Thanks, Harmonica. A smooth tile would work for dig designations, so that's okay... miasma less so. Then again, the current wavy tile isn't so great for miasma either.It may also be the tile for windows.
Post by: Valience on August 27, 2010, 11:26:46 pm
Post by: Ironhand on August 28, 2010, 08:20:26 am
I know it says "Any solid color tile", but I couldn't think of any other places where it appeared. Thanks, Harmonica. A smooth tile would work for dig designations, so that's okay... miasma less so. Then again, the current wavy tile isn't so great for miasma either.It may also be the tile for windows.
Yeah, it's window borders.
It's also used for ice.
Post by: Kregoth on August 28, 2010, 04:39:28 pm
The amount of awesome being generated in this thread is stupendous.
That being said I have a nit pick. On the embark screen plains are displaying as solid black.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In this image I have highlighted a region of the plains to demonstrate what it would look like when
displayed within the embark square.
Not sure if it has been fixed but I am still getting this same exact problem and it rather annoying as I have to move my embark around to see what biomes are there. an example here
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a259/Kregoth/embark.jpg)
there was a post under it that the next release would have a fix. if it was posted could someone point me there I have the 0.48 version and the problem is there.
Post by: Ironhand on August 28, 2010, 05:33:41 pm
Post by: ungulateman on August 28, 2010, 10:53:57 pm
(I suffered greatly from this with RantingRodent's set - is that stuff designated? It's just black[i/]!)
Post by: Ironhand on August 29, 2010, 06:36:35 am
We just have to make the backgrounds partially transparent.
Post by: bustok on August 29, 2010, 10:11:31 am
Post by: WormSlayer on August 29, 2010, 07:56:47 pm
It still makes a difference how we make the tiles.
We just have to make the backgrounds partially transparent.
Yeah that was my bad, it will be fixed in the next release!
is there are a way to make empty stockpiles a bit more visible?
You could edit that particular graphic tile to be "more visible" with the program of your choice :P
Post by: Ignus on August 30, 2010, 07:35:55 pm
Please help yourself to a gold star.
Post by: Ironhand on August 30, 2010, 07:37:31 pm
Glad you're enjoying it!
Post by: WormSlayer on August 30, 2010, 11:02:42 pm
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Post by: andkore on September 01, 2010, 08:58:35 pm
Post by: Moonshine Fox on September 02, 2010, 09:55:07 am
Those are my only real gripes with this set. Absolutely stunning work! You're in as my new standard set. Thanks Ironhand! (and others)
Post by: Ironhand on September 02, 2010, 10:04:38 am
Post by: Baughn on September 02, 2010, 02:46:17 pm
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Post by: BlackRogue on September 02, 2010, 02:50:38 pm
Post by: McBeer on September 02, 2010, 02:53:02 pm
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on September 02, 2010, 02:56:07 pm
Post by: LordAelfric on September 02, 2010, 03:02:06 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on September 02, 2010, 04:28:28 pm
Your complaining in the wrong place McBeer - Thats all down to Toady, not us....
Post by: Baughn on September 02, 2010, 04:33:43 pm
The android one I picked doesn't, obviously, but it'll suffice for development. :P
Spoilered is a list of the exact letters required, if you want to get a jump on it.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: McBeer on September 02, 2010, 04:36:49 pm
Post by: Randomtask on September 02, 2010, 10:19:31 pm
Your complaining in the wrong place McBeer - Thats all down to Toady, not us....
i am not complaining("complaining"<-usual word used for make someone lesser and ridiculous - i'd like to use words: conscious user observation here). I am not 9 y.o. Tibia player, you know.QuoteThats all down to Toady, not usi can agree, but try to realize my pain - you are the boss here, i am too small to discuss with GOD.
And what's important - you are aware what i am talking about, if you have access to newest betas.
look, i am not lamer. i know who is able to tell our prayers to the ONLY God.
Now - i am certain, that you know what i am talking about - this moment of breaking 80x60 MUST come at some time. Maybe it IS the time(again - look at trade screen, it is obvious, right?).
We are FAR above 80x60 now, and whole thing is still restricted to that, let's be honest here.
Now, risky part - God is a man that earns gigantic amounts of money, skipping hard coding GUI matter for YEARS.
Please, do not ban me for that.
I am conscious user - and it is clear for me. He is closer to make human fields fun more, than GUI remake.
Maybe it is time to ask, what is more important?
80x60 and 3/4 of screen empty at feeble 1680x1050(like on your sshot)? please.
I'd give away my last money for food to God, if only GUI was modernized, rich kids may have different POV here(which killed whole thousands of good projects already, you should know that).
You know, some of you may think i am asking for weird things, for me, these are obvious questions and concerns..
McBeer cancels writing - off for beer search. g'night.
Sorry Ironhand for writing my post there, i hope you understand.
Dwarf Fortress is coded by one man, who does it full-time, on his own, via donations.
And he's doing a pretty damn good job of it, too.
Yes, he's working on implementing human fields rather than a pretty interface. You know what? That's fine by me. This game is, and always has been, about substance rather than style. I'd rather Toady focus on fleshing the game out, than appeasing the braying and neighing of end users constantly.
Also, you should probably stop calling him god. That's silly and rather offensive. Ironhand probably doesn't have any more connection to Toady than you or I. Furthermore, nobody is too tiny to discuss anything with him. There's an entire subsection or two, or three, dedicated to suggestions, bug reports, and the like. If your questions don't get answered, it's probably because the griping about interface is petty and ancient. There are mods, like mouse fortress, that add functionality to the game. Use them.
If you would rather play a game with a pretty interface, go load up The Sims, or something.
Post by: McBeer on September 02, 2010, 10:26:32 pm
I play ADOM since 0.7.x on Amiga 'till now and i do not need pret-ty games at all. I am gamer since 1984, btw.
I was talking about using whole screen for tables/lists and nothing more.
To prevent ANY attack on me like that i won't talk about ANYTHING related to lacks i can clearly see.
I do not need any mouse support(although mousefortress is interesting piece of soft, kbd is just FAR faster), nor pret-ty GUI, i just want to see more than 12 lines on trade screen, you know(and what's seem to be totally out-of-reach, WHOLE names too).
Sorry.
One more thing - i am not asslicker, i am free man with free will and my own observations.
We are on discussion forum, so i thought i can discuss here.
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Furthermore, nobody is too tiny to discuss anything with him.You just showed opposite POV in your post, but nvmd.
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Ironhand probably doesn't have any more connection to ToadyAgain, I was not talking about Ironhand at all. About Baughn, rather, yes.
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Also, you should probably stop calling him god.Typical hypocrisy. It is my free will what i name and how.
God is term for world maker, so where's problem for you then here?
Toady is world maker.
Let's skip further talk about my earlier post, i won't continue this. To ease your problem let me unsuscribe.
Thanks for discouraging me.
Post by: therahedwig on September 03, 2010, 01:08:12 am
Architect or demiurge would probly be a better term for Toady anyway...
Anyway, I can't wait for the new font implementation. It'll be a treat to have better spaced text in DF.
Post by: Randomtask on September 03, 2010, 02:07:48 am
Well, it is rather rude to put such matter into a thread it doesn't belong in, specifically when there's threads and topics in General discussion and the suggestions forum that are about these things.
Architect or demiurge would probly be a better term for Toady anyway...
Anyway, I can't wait for the new font implementation. It'll be a treat to have better spaced text in DF.
Agreed.
/discussion
Post by: Rose on September 03, 2010, 02:10:35 am
Right, the CP437 is converted to unicode internally; you just need a unicode font that covers the CP437 letters, and it should work.
The android one I picked doesn't, obviously, but it'll suffice for development. :P
Spoilered is a list of the exact letters required, if you want to get a jump on it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Main_Page
Post by: Ironhand on September 03, 2010, 10:00:10 am
Time to browse.
Post by: Thundrim on September 03, 2010, 10:53:33 am
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Post by: RychschaX on September 03, 2010, 01:50:22 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on September 03, 2010, 10:05:19 pm
Post by: Urist McFail on September 04, 2010, 03:26:50 pm
Post by: Kilumanjaro on September 04, 2010, 06:50:18 pm
Plus, I've already got my Font picked out.
http://www.1001freefonts.com/KeltCapsFreehand.php (http://www.1001freefonts.com/KeltCapsFreehand.php)
Post by: Aklyon on September 04, 2010, 07:32:21 pm
Post by: Ironhand on September 05, 2010, 07:47:40 am
Do all those fonts have enough characters, though?
Like, do they have all the accented characters and stuff?
Post by: Rose on September 05, 2010, 07:53:51 am
Post by: Ironhand on September 05, 2010, 08:28:25 am
Post by: Rose on September 05, 2010, 08:31:29 am
what's so hard about that?
Post by: Ironhand on September 05, 2010, 09:54:41 am
Forget I mentioned it.
Post by: Rose on September 05, 2010, 09:55:22 am
sorry.
Post by: Dementual on September 05, 2010, 12:14:31 pm
Post by: Ironhand on September 05, 2010, 12:45:06 pm
Post by: diriel on September 05, 2010, 06:20:36 pm
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts
The liberation family of fonts for sure support cp437. They also happens to look nice. It took a little while to dig the information out, but my google-fu is weak 8)
Look about the middle of the page under CHARACTERISTICS and you will see what the Liberation fonts supports. It also shows a brief comparison to other common fonts.
Hope this helps.
P.S. I do not think Kelt Caps Freehand supports anything more than the most basic font types. In other words, no ascii at all. At least, none that I can find. Cool looking font though.
Post by: Randomtask on September 05, 2010, 07:17:51 pm
I doubt that's possible, but it would be pretty great.
Post by: Kilumanjaro on September 05, 2010, 11:59:23 pm
http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Knights_Quest.htm (http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Knights_Quest.htm) or http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Forgotten_Uncial.htm (http://www.urbanfonts.com/fonts/Forgotten_Uncial.htm) look promising.
Post by: Aklyon on September 06, 2010, 12:02:45 am
Post by: Maldevious on September 06, 2010, 07:01:59 am
Post by: Ironhand on September 06, 2010, 07:58:56 am
But I'm not sure what's up with the { and }...
Post by: LucasUP on September 06, 2010, 01:52:07 pm
I sort of like Forgotten Uncial better though (http://www.urbanfonts.com/images/sampletextimg4.php?text=Dwarf%20Fortress&size=24&font=../fonts/folders/forgotten_uncial/forgotten_uncial.ttf&scheme=A&fgColor=000000&fontBGColor=FFFFFF&pageCounter=1)...
Post by: diriel on September 06, 2010, 07:01:51 pm
Have Fun :)
Edit: For those of you who may not be familiar with CP437 or what that is. It refers to Code Page characters. Here is a link that will somewhat show / explain it. Not having a minimum of CP437 support in a font package is a straight up deal breaker for Release QA purposes. That is, if I read Baugns post correctly. The more CP's that are supported the better when you get right down to it.
-- http://www.aggressivesoftware.com/simple/latin1.php
Post by: Turambar on September 07, 2010, 07:03:16 am
Post by: diriel on September 07, 2010, 08:24:33 am
On the other hand, I am easy. Pick what ever makes you all feel warm and fuzzy. I am sure that there will be a way to revert the font selection if I find it too bothersome.
Have Fun,
Post by: Still Standing on September 07, 2010, 04:04:49 pm
Post by: Ironhand on September 07, 2010, 06:44:04 pm
Keep in mind they might be a bit big to fit into Sphr's set,
since our tiles are all 18x18 pixels instead of 16x16. But yeah, have a blast.
Post by: dierre on September 07, 2010, 08:05:27 pm
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6628/ironn.png)
black sand wall and floor are really too similar.
Post by: WormSlayer on September 07, 2010, 08:11:19 pm
Sand/blood/etc. tile used to be the same brightness as other ground tiles, but then people complained and IH made it lighter.
Of course they were wrong and I keep trying to sneak dark sand back in but IH spots it every time :P
Post by: dierre on September 07, 2010, 08:26:38 pm
Joanne Kelly is so fine, she is almost the only reason I continue to watch Warehouse 13!
Yep, same here! And in my case she's definitely the only reason.
Sand/blood/etc. tile used to be the same brightness as other ground tiles, but then people complained and IH made it lighter.
Of course they were wrong and I keep trying to sneak dark sand back in but IH spots it every time :P
Keep trying. I brought evidence!
Post by: Ironhand on September 07, 2010, 08:37:56 pm
In the past, I've only kept bright sand for the brighter water.
In the next release, we'll be using the old numeric tiles for water,
so sand (and subsequently mud and vomit) can be nice and dark.
Post by: dierre on September 07, 2010, 08:43:04 pm
Post by: Scaraban on September 07, 2010, 11:42:34 pm
Thanks. Another question: why is the height of the window fixed even when I enlarge the application?isn't it obvious?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Moonshine Fox on September 08, 2010, 12:57:07 am
Actually, this'll get fixed with the next version.Hmm, no more shiny water?
In the past, I've only kept bright sand for the brighter water.
In the next release, we'll be using the old numeric tiles for water,
so sand (and subsequently mud and vomit) can be nice and dark.
Post by: LucasUP on September 08, 2010, 01:22:33 am
Hmm, no more shiny water?No. Much MORE shiny water. If I understand correctly, Ironhand is replacing the tiles for 1-7 with different water-tile symbols, which change/swirl as the water level changes.
This can be done since we are moving to true-type fonts: the game won't actually need these tiles to display numbers in the game.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on September 08, 2010, 01:24:11 pm
It's gonna be awesome.
And yeah, the fixed menu height isn't something we can change, unfortunately.
Post by: Aklyon on September 08, 2010, 02:35:12 pm
Post by: oolon1 on September 08, 2010, 09:03:03 pm
Hmm, no more shiny water?No. Much MORE shiny water. If I understand correctly, Ironhand is replacing the tiles for 1-7 with different water-tile symbols, which change/swirl as the water level changes.
This can be done since we are moving to true-type fonts: the game won't actually need these tiles to display numbers in the game.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
While I'm not sure I agree with the idea of using seven whole tiles on fluid levels, I got to thinking: are we sure the 1-7 fluid tiles aren't going to be displayed as numbers via the new truetype system? I monitor this thread, but I didn't see this talked about, and I haven't seen mention of a place in the raws to assign graphics to the current fluid levels.
Post by: Aklyon on September 08, 2010, 09:25:43 pm
Post by: gtmattz on September 08, 2010, 11:37:50 pm
He's got a point there.
Quite a pointy point there too..
Hopefully Baughn is reading this and can give us some feedback?
Post by: Baughn on September 09, 2010, 04:31:25 am
There are separate calls for inserting strings and inserting single characters. The map-drawing code uses the latter; anything to do with truetype uses the former.
Post by: Moonshine Fox on September 09, 2010, 07:34:41 am
Post by: Vibhor on September 10, 2010, 01:40:49 am
I like this one but cannot take the darkness
Post by: ungulateman on September 10, 2010, 03:08:32 am
There's some on the wiki. Hell, I changed my colour scheme to one of the darker "Natural" schemes because I like my DF slightly oppressive-feeling and gloomy.
Post by: Deon on September 10, 2010, 04:31:54 am
Post by: Ironhand on September 10, 2010, 09:59:18 am
Blame WormSlayer.
Post by: Deon on September 10, 2010, 11:01:59 am
Post by: WormSlayer on September 10, 2010, 01:40:41 pm
I'll swap them for the next release.
Post by: Baughn on September 10, 2010, 07:49:34 pm
How's "humanoid.dwarf.carpenter" sound for a tile ID? Better than "dwarves:2:5"? You'll have to map the former to the latter in your tileset, though, since it still has a physical location of some sort in a .PNG..
Post by: Still Standing on September 10, 2010, 08:11:53 pm
Post by: Baughn on September 10, 2010, 08:18:05 pm
If the game can somehow get "humanoid.dwarf.lasher" from it, and there's no actual such tile, the "humanoid.dwarf" tile would be used instead.
Post by: WormSlayer on September 10, 2010, 10:53:00 pm
Here you go Deon :P
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Deon on September 11, 2010, 04:28:47 am
Post by: Tormy on September 11, 2010, 04:57:25 am
Integrating graphics-mode well is an issue, but one I think will get handled. Which is to say, it might end up nonexistent. :P
How's "humanoid.dwarf.carpenter" sound for a tile ID? Better than "dwarves:2:5"? You'll have to map the former to the latter in your tileset, though, since it still has a physical location of some sort in a .PNG..
I'd vote for "humanoid.dwarf.carpenter" :P
Post by: Deon on September 11, 2010, 09:49:03 am
I mean, if you map a humanoid.dwarf.monarch to MONARCH then it's fine, but what if I want to make a PSYCHIATRIST noble? Will I have to dig a code somewhere or do you plan to make it an easily configurable setting?
Post by: Baughn on September 11, 2010, 10:11:34 am
So, humanoid.dwarf.noble.psychiatrist.. since there won't be a psychiatrist tile, the generic noble tile should get used.
Post by: Deon on September 11, 2010, 10:18:09 am
Post by: Baughn on September 11, 2010, 01:02:01 pm
I'm pretty sure that for customized titles, you should be able to define a customized tile name.
Well, this all depends on Toady deciding it's a good idea anyway.
Post by: Deon on September 11, 2010, 02:30:08 pm
Post by: Baughn on September 11, 2010, 04:06:18 pm
The basic idea, I guess.. creatures (from the raws) have a tile tag in that hierarchical form, such as "humanoid.elf.carpenter".. tilesets contain tiles, specified somehow, which have fully qualified names such as "humanoid", "humanoid.elf" or "humanoid.elf.carpenter". The exact way tilesets specify this has not been defined yet, but is reasonably trivial; I'll come up with something simple.
Conceptually, when trying to display this carpenter, it'd first look for a "humanoid.elf.carpenter" tile. If that's missing, it'd look for a humanoid.elf tile; if that's missing, humanoid... if that's missing too, I guess displaying a question mark would be better than picking some other humanoid or an entirely unrelated tile.
Naturally, this would be optimized by doing the lookups/mappings at load time, but that's beyond the scope of what affects you.
Any questions? Comments? Please comment.
Post by: qwert on September 11, 2010, 04:53:01 pm
Post by: Baughn on September 11, 2010, 05:01:14 pm
A default mapping for old-style 16x16 tilesets would be easy enough, mind you.
Post by: diriel on September 11, 2010, 06:20:44 pm
Just curious
Post by: Baughn on September 11, 2010, 06:39:55 pm
Well, probably some sans-serif font; those tend to look better at small resolutions. But really, I haven't looked much into it yet. Picking a font is the *last* thing I'm going to do.
Post by: Randomtask on September 11, 2010, 07:54:29 pm
Yeeah.. I really don't know how it'd work. Whichever way works best, really, which is why I'm posting this here. It's very much at the request for comments stage.
The basic idea, I guess.. creatures (from the raws) have a tile tag in that hierarchical form, such as "humanoid.elf.carpenter".. tilesets contain tiles, specified somehow, which have fully qualified names such as "humanoid", "humanoid.elf" or "humanoid.elf.carpenter". The exact way tilesets specify this has not been defined yet, but is reasonably trivial; I'll come up with something simple.
Conceptually, when trying to display this carpenter, it'd first look for a "humanoid.elf.carpenter" tile. If that's missing, it'd look for a humanoid.elf tile; if that's missing, humanoid... if that's missing too, I guess displaying a question mark would be better than picking some other humanoid or an entirely unrelated tile.
Naturally, this would be optimized by doing the lookups/mappings at load time, but that's beyond the scope of what affects you.
Any questions? Comments? Please comment.
That system sounds pretty simple, and efficient.
How are forgotten beasts and demons created?
I have no idea what their raws or anything look like, but if the system parses entries for data, might it be possible to read body types? Probably not, but I figured I'd ask.
Post by: diriel on September 11, 2010, 10:46:30 pm
The Liberation series of fonts have all of the support listed up front, and then some. They also have a serif, sans, and mono. They have been released by Red Hat under a very good license.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts
Under Characteristics it lists the various CP support ect. They are designed to be about as close in metric to MS type fonts as possible for maximum cross platform portability. One thing about it, there is no such thing as a perfect font ;)
Have Fun
Post by: Igfig on September 12, 2010, 12:14:04 am
The basic idea, I guess.. creatures (from the raws) have a tile tag in that hierarchical form, such as "humanoid.elf.carpenter".. tilesets contain tiles, specified somehow, which have fully qualified names such as "humanoid", "humanoid.elf" or "humanoid.elf.carpenter". The exact way tilesets specify this has not been defined yet, but is reasonably trivial; I'll come up with something simple.
Conceptually, when trying to display this carpenter, it'd first look for a "humanoid.elf.carpenter" tile. If that's missing, it'd look for a humanoid.elf tile; if that's missing, humanoid... if that's missing too, I guess displaying a question mark would be better than picking some other humanoid or an entirely unrelated tile.
Any questions? Comments? Please comment.
One comment/request. Maybe add one more step between "elf" and "carpenter": "woodworker". Most existing sets have generic "woodworker", "farmer", etc. tiles, after all. It'd keep things nice and organized.
I guess that's more of a request for Ironhand, since I expect Baughn will build it to allow arbitrarily deep hierarchies.
FAKE EDIT: Oh, one question. How do you expect this to interact with multitile creatures in the future? Will they be defined all in one image file, or will we need a separate file for each tile? (I prefer the former.)
Post by: Deon on September 12, 2010, 02:50:08 am
Post by: Baughn on September 12, 2010, 04:34:46 am
The CP437 tiles are part of the tileset. If you can identify a particular letter, that means you did find the tile.
Post by: Tormy on September 12, 2010, 06:37:53 am
Yeeah.. I really don't know how it'd work. Whichever way works best, really, which is why I'm posting this here. It's very much at the request for comments stage.
The basic idea, I guess.. creatures (from the raws) have a tile tag in that hierarchical form, such as "humanoid.elf.carpenter".. tilesets contain tiles, specified somehow, which have fully qualified names such as "humanoid", "humanoid.elf" or "humanoid.elf.carpenter". The exact way tilesets specify this has not been defined yet, but is reasonably trivial; I'll come up with something simple.
Conceptually, when trying to display this carpenter, it'd first look for a "humanoid.elf.carpenter" tile. If that's missing, it'd look for a humanoid.elf tile; if that's missing, humanoid... if that's missing too, I guess displaying a question mark would be better than picking some other humanoid or an entirely unrelated tile.
Naturally, this would be optimized by doing the lookups/mappings at load time, but that's beyond the scope of what affects you.
Any questions? Comments? Please comment.
Baughn - Would it be possible to "link" 1 profession/unit type to multiple tile variants, and randomize the tile which will appear in the game?
Example: humanoid.elf.carpenter.1:1 , humanoid.elf.carpenter.1:2 , humanoid.elf.carpenter.1:3 -> 3 tiles used to display a carpenter, and will be chosen randomly every time a carpenter is "being created".
If this won't be possible [I guess :P], what about "splitting up" male/female units graphically?
Post by: Baughn on September 12, 2010, 08:02:34 am
It's not impossible (of course), but it's not something you should expect right away either.
Post by: Tormy on September 12, 2010, 08:04:17 am
Post by: Deon on September 12, 2010, 12:11:58 pm
Which letter, exactly?Ugh, I mean that currently there're letters for creatures in ASCII mode and they are replaced by graphics if the game finds an appropriate tile.
The CP437 tiles are part of the tileset. If you can identify a particular letter, that means you did find the tile.
What you said earlier: the game will use a question mark, which is unacceptable since it means that you won't know WHICH creature type is that until you inspect them.
Post by: Baughn on September 12, 2010, 01:33:35 pm
It's a nonissue, trust me.
Post by: Deon on September 12, 2010, 01:36:51 pm
I was worried about those words:
Quote from: Baughn
I guess displaying a question mark would be better than picking some other humanoid or an entirely unrelated tile.
Here, I mean that you guess it wrong. The perfect way is to display a letter instead of a question mark to make the creature distinguishable.
Many people play with partial tilesets, so they should be spared from seeing a valley of question marks :D.
Post by: Baughn on September 12, 2010, 02:52:16 pm
The '@' in a CP437 tileset will be linked to "humanoid.dwarf", colorized versions will be linked to the professions, and that's all there is to it. There should be no distinction between a tileset of 256 tiles that happens to match up with CP437 and one of fifty, or five hundred.
Post by: Deon on September 12, 2010, 03:07:38 pm
Post by: Baughn on September 12, 2010, 03:43:18 pm
Definitely not in ordinary play.
Post by: Deon on September 12, 2010, 03:44:37 pm
Anyway it's some time till it's done, and if it works bad there's a chance to fix it later, right? ;)
Post by: Baughn on September 12, 2010, 03:46:21 pm
Post by: diriel on September 12, 2010, 05:52:55 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437
-- Look at this, then...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts
-- Look under Characteristics for the liberation link. I do not mean to push Liberation like a broken record, but it so happens I personally found this page the easiest to really get a mental grasp on. It was just a lot more clear cut as to what it supports CP wise ect.
http://www.aggressivesoftware.com/simple/latin1.php
-- Finally have a look here as a cross reference sir.
This new system looks like it will be pretty slick,
Diriel
P.S. Just to re-iterate, I am not trying to push Liberation. Of all the myriad of fonts I looked up, it was the first one to say up front, exactly, what it supports.
P.P.S. Much <3 to Baughn and crew for all this work!
Post by: LucasUP on September 12, 2010, 06:33:22 pm
(before things like "Oh hey, those are just the original ASCII characters a computer could/can display!"
Awww... :-[ it sort of makes me want to play DF in original ASCII again...
P.S. Stop pushing your biased Liberational views on us! :P
Post by: diriel on September 12, 2010, 08:01:52 pm
Lucida is proprietary and with Bitstream I was having problems finding For Sure where it said that it supports CP437 fully ;) I am sure others do fully support it. I am just too lazy to dig any deeper, I spent the better part of 3 hours one night researching fonts. Some of them did support the CP but the letters were such that I personally would spend more time trying to figure out some of them than playing the game! I did find some "cool" looking fonts however.
One font I prefer when I am writing, is Bitstream Charter, but again I could not find For Sure that is has full CP437 support. It is otherwise a Very Nice Font! Looks great small, Large, and all points in between. So, if I could really have my preference it would be the Bitstream Charter, but I am just too lazy to figure out for sure if it would work.
Besides, CP says it wants a mono space font. So, I am unsure if a variable TT would work well. That is why I kept finding people saying Use Lucida Console for CP437. Liberation, btw, was one of the replacement fonts (metric's wise) for Lucida. The other was Bitstream, but... 8)
Such a simple thing as a font, can be a bit of a pain in the keester! Then of course, you want to make sure that the License is compatible....
Have Fun,
Diriel
Post by: Harmonica on September 13, 2010, 12:25:22 pm
Glad we have clever graphical types to handle all this stuff for us peons.
Post by: kendo on September 13, 2010, 04:25:25 pm
(http://i54.tinypic.com/fxcfhf.png)
why is my ore showing up like this? Also microline walls show as trees, its very odd. ???
Post by: Deon on September 13, 2010, 05:13:30 pm
Post by: kendo on September 13, 2010, 06:22:55 pm
Post by: Aklyon on September 13, 2010, 06:41:06 pm
Post by: Ironhand on September 13, 2010, 07:10:48 pm
You don't actually need to regenerate a world.
Post by: kendo on September 14, 2010, 04:59:02 am
Post by: Deon on September 14, 2010, 05:29:50 am
Post by: Ironhand on September 15, 2010, 09:23:52 am
Toady just released a new version.
I might be able to glue it together today,
but no promises. My classes are killing me,
and I'm skipping half of them anyway because I'm sick.
On the other hand, as long as I'm stuck in bed, I might as well get some modding done.
Post by: Maldevious on September 15, 2010, 09:55:00 am
Post by: Randomtask on September 15, 2010, 12:07:58 pm
Is it everything you guys hoped for? Can you do all those ridiculously awesome things we saw a few dozen pages back?
Post by: Classico on September 15, 2010, 12:12:25 pm
So, I know the release is mere moments old, but now that we have the long-awaited True Type, I gotta ask:
Is it everything you guys hoped for? Can you do all those ridiculously awesome things we saw a few dozen pages back?
Wondering this myself. As I think I understand it, this is only the first implementation of the framework and isn't fully functional...?
Post by: Ironhand on September 15, 2010, 12:16:12 pm
(although, I HAVE come up with some pretty sweet ideas for it (for world maps))
Anyways, we're nowhere near that. What we do have is some semi-functional ttf.
It's kinda nice. But when I'm running this there are a number of significant bugs,
and it seems to be way slower than what the old ones ran at...
That was just an adventure mode run, but still.
I think I'll actually wait until another official release with a few less bugs.
You guys seem to be happy enough with the current graphics set for now.
Post by: Randomtask on September 15, 2010, 12:42:22 pm
If you're talking about the multi-tile creatures and stuff, no, that's not in yet.
(although, I HAVE come up with some pretty sweet ideas for it (for world maps))
Anyways, we're nowhere near that. What we do have is some semi-functional ttf.
It's kinda nice. But when I'm running this there are a number of significant bugs,
and it seems to be way slower than what the old ones ran at...
That was just an adventure mode run, but still.
I think I'll actually wait until another official release with a few less bugs.
You guys seem to be happy enough with the current graphics set for now.
Yeah, the set as it stands is fantastic.
I was just excited to hear if having ttf meant more freedom in tile design.
But if it ain't in yet, it ain't in yet.
Also, hope you get well soon, old chap.
Post by: Baughn on September 15, 2010, 01:07:09 pm
Providing correct justification etc. etc. is more work, but it should be usable from .14 on from my side, and possibly entirely usable; depends on Toady.
And yeah, .14 will also have the shader mode. I've got that basically working now, just didn't quite make it in time.
Post by: Randomtask on September 15, 2010, 01:39:32 pm
I haven't tried the new version yet, found out about it after PT this morning, and I don't think I should be running DF on a government computer. D:
Unless, of course, I kept it in ASCII mode. Then I'd just tell them it was work.
Post by: Deon on September 15, 2010, 01:52:18 pm
Post by: Aklyon on September 15, 2010, 01:54:43 pm
Post by: Dearnen on September 15, 2010, 02:32:13 pm
Post by: Randomtask on September 15, 2010, 04:29:23 pm
How good of a computer is the one you shouldn't run it on?
Turrible. Well... not so turrible, really. It can run DF fairly quickly. My home PC runs it a lot faster, though.
Quote
Certain government entities have computers that are better than anything available to the general public now and for the next several years, or so I hear. Of course, being classified double top pinky-swear super-secret, I'm sure such rumors are just that. Nothing to see here folks; move along.
Some government entities, but unfortunately not the Marine Corps.
I'm lucky they don't expect me to email using pidgeons and an abacus.
Post by: Baughn on September 16, 2010, 04:20:58 am
They're also massively multicore; the individual cores are probably a good deal worse than a typical PC core.
Post by: carebear on September 16, 2010, 01:07:54 pm
Looking forward to the update! :)
Post by: Baughn on September 16, 2010, 03:07:17 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on September 16, 2010, 03:41:55 pm
Does this new DF release also already add the ability to use depth sensitive water graphics?
Looking forward to the update! :)
Yup it's there but it looks like were going to wait for Baughn to knock a few rough edges off the font support before we add it.
Having said that, there will probably be an unofficial version for people to try out in the very near future!
Post by: Ironhand on September 17, 2010, 07:17:09 am
I think I'll throw a release together this weekend.
(just keep in mind font's a little bit buggy)
It probably won't be today, though.
Keep your eyes peeled.
Post by: Baughn on September 17, 2010, 09:14:09 am
It caches rendered text, and there's no limit to how large the cache can get.
Post by: Kregoth on September 18, 2010, 04:52:38 pm
Post by: Verdian on September 18, 2010, 08:49:42 pm
Post by: Ironhand on September 18, 2010, 09:20:36 pm
It's one of the foods that I added to the set ages ago by accident.
If you want to use Phoebus' graphics set, it shouldn't be a problem, though...
@Verdian: DT has a problem with the current version of DF, not of my graphics.
Also...
Have you guys played this Minecraft game?
It is totally epic. It's like first-person 3-D Dwarf Fortress.
This is why I haven't gotten the new graphics set out yet:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Poot on September 18, 2010, 09:50:51 pm
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/7004/66212757.jpg)
Post by: Vibhor on September 18, 2010, 10:02:29 pm
I came to Dwarf fortress because I got bored of minecraft
BTW it is free for this full week(the alpha)
Anyways
What would be there for the new update
Havent been around for quite long
Post by: Kregoth on September 18, 2010, 10:19:06 pm
@Kregoth: Your problem is "ITEM_FOOD_MASH", actually.
It's one of the foods that I added to the set ages ago by accident.
If you want to use Phoebus' graphics set, it shouldn't be a problem, though...
@Verdian: DT has a problem with the current version of DF, not of my graphics.
Also...
Have you guys played this Minecraft game?
It is totally epic. It's like first-person 3-D Dwarf Fortress.
This is why I haven't gotten the new graphics set out yet:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks but the problem is that the game closes after clicking ok on the error. To be honest I wish there was a version that didn't add anything other then just the graphical tileset so they don't disturb the succession game I am running. I love your tileset but it useless when trying to host a succession, because no one can use their own tileset do to the added items and creatures. Do you know a way I can remove those added raws of items and animals without it giving these errors?
Oh and I love Minecraft I stopped playing after I lost a save that I had. I had created an awesome fort and had a huge mass of diamond stocked up. Lost it all due to the save disappearing sad day that was.
Post by: Ironhand on September 19, 2010, 06:39:17 am
Sorry for the inconvenience. Most people don't seem to mind it too much, I think.
If they do, they should speak up. I could take the stuff out if it's really a hastle.
Post by: Kregoth on September 19, 2010, 04:14:59 pm
Here the link for the file this is the full game version 0.48 all I did was replace the 3 txt files in raws/objects you had modified with the original DF files.
The files where:
Creature_domestic.txt
Items_food.txt
Language_words.txt
Click Here (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3136)
Let me know if this is alright for me to host on DFFD if not I will remove it.
Post by: Aklyon on September 19, 2010, 04:17:56 pm
Post by: Kregoth on September 19, 2010, 04:22:43 pm
Post by: lolghurt on September 20, 2010, 02:19:09 am
Ooops haha I don't know where i keep getting ironside. Must be something else that making mix up the words I will fix thanks for the info.transformers?
Post by: dephelis on September 21, 2010, 05:32:15 am
Ooops haha I don't know where i keep getting ironside. Must be something else that making mix up the words I will fix thanks for the info.transformers?
Dear God I feel old. First thing that came to my mind was Raymond Burr http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironside_%28TV_series%29 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironside_%28TV_series%29).
Post by: Zwerg on September 21, 2010, 08:58:50 am
Been playing MC too. 2nd story bedroom. Also, you're living like a true dorf, Iron.
(http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/7004/66212757.jpg)
Wow, is this a mod or something, because my Minecraft doesn't look like this?
Post by: Spoonfeed on September 21, 2010, 11:52:53 am
Wow, is this a mod or something, because my Minecraft doesn't look like this?
Dokus RPG texture pack; WARNING: Higher definition texture-packs(such as dokus) have problems with certain tiles(such as bricks).
Post by: The_Fool76 on September 21, 2010, 01:05:45 pm
I've personally had some amusement by taking tiles from Mayday's set and making a DF themed MC tileset. (Too bad Ironhand's set is not 16x16 or 32x32 >_> )
Post by: Harmonica on September 22, 2010, 07:24:14 pm
Post by: LucasUP on September 22, 2010, 09:59:59 pm
Minecraft has us all.
It got me too
Post by: muty on September 23, 2010, 09:46:02 am
Post by: Scaraban on September 23, 2010, 10:13:13 am
It is spreading like AIDS.chimps had it first? :o
Post by: Lord Vetinari on September 23, 2010, 02:04:56 pm
Post by: LucasUP on September 23, 2010, 07:54:52 pm
I tried Minecraft during the free to play / server down days, and I don't like it as it is now. Too much LARPING and too few actual interaction with the game world.The multiplayer is very much like this, but Its incredibly early. The singleplayer has much more interesting interactions and gameplay, although I'd agree it needs alot more. Luckily more are planned!
Post by: gtmattz on September 24, 2010, 09:53:09 am
Post by: Baughn on September 24, 2010, 10:46:55 am
Alright! .15 it is then! :P
Post by: Theodolus on September 24, 2010, 01:06:51 pm
This thread needs moar ironhand/wormslayer updates and less minecraft imo... 8)
Heartily agreed... I keep meaning to check out Minecraft, but then I go and figure out how to turn on truetype (not sure how I missed that obvious init setting...) and get dragged back into Dwarf Fortress. :)
So Baughn, I'm assuming that means TT instabilities are still around? I've only played with .14 for a brief period of time, and have only suffered one crash during worldgen.
Ironhand or Wormslayer definitely need to do something about the world map... It's odd having little wrapped gifts floating around the map now. :P I'd work on it myself, but it's hard to find the time these days. >:(
Post by: Gearheart on September 24, 2010, 01:24:07 pm
I follow the usual routine, edit the graphics settings in the init file, put the tileset into the art directory, but then when I start up my game I get this:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7983/errrs.jpg)
I think it should be fairly obvious what is wrong with that screenshot, but I have no idea why it has happened or how to fix it. Those two tiles are the ONLY tiles affected, and everything else is working perfectly.
Post by: Deon on September 24, 2010, 01:49:52 pm
Post by: Gearheart on September 24, 2010, 02:35:53 pm
That fixed it.
Post by: Ironhand on September 24, 2010, 03:30:49 pm
You shouldn't have to do that, though.
Something must be up with our punctuation.
If I ever go and take a look at it I'll fix it up.
Sorry there hasn't been much action;
I've been bogged down with school work.
Post by: Gearheart on September 24, 2010, 04:26:22 pm
Any magical option in the d_init file to fix this as well?
Post by: LucasUP on September 24, 2010, 04:48:07 pm
Code: [Select]
If you don't like the ,.`' ground, try setting this to NO. The ground will turn into periods only.
[VARIED_GROUND_TILES:NO]
If you'd like your engravings to start off looking the same (you can toggle them on individual later), set this to YES.
[ENGRAVINGS_START_OBSCURED:YES]Note you'll still have to hide your existing engravings manually (forget the shortcut to do this, its under designations or something)
Post by: Gearheart on September 24, 2010, 04:53:21 pm
I really am inept when it comes to common sense.
Post by: Ironhand on September 24, 2010, 06:21:57 pm
Your pestersome pleas fall not on deaf ears.
I'mma make you a new version of Ironhand now.
It should be up shortly.
Post by: carebear on September 24, 2010, 06:29:15 pm
Post by: gtmattz on September 24, 2010, 06:41:27 pm
Hear ye all and be appeased:
Your pestersome pleas fall not on deaf ears.
I'mma make you a new version of Ironhand now.
It should be up shortly.
This is why the whiners always win 8)
Thanks IH, I am sure I speak for more than just myself when I say,
You da man!
::thumbsup:: 8) ::thumbsup::
Post by: Theodolus on September 24, 2010, 06:55:27 pm
Post by: fox967 on September 24, 2010, 07:16:46 pm
hey, Ironhand! :D
I havent got anything useful to add, but i just wanted to express my gratitude for what work youve done.
Ive been playing DF for quite a while, and have used your graphics set, and i thought it wrong of me to just download, use, and not say thanks.
So thanks dude, for making my DF experience ever better :D The graphics are bleeding amazing :D
:D
Post by: Ironhand on September 24, 2010, 07:52:13 pm
I appreciate your support!
And I'm glad you're enjoying the set.
Ironhand 0.49 is almost done,
and you guys are gonna love it.
Post by: Ironhand on September 24, 2010, 08:15:06 pm
Ironhand 0.49 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
TTF support! (not my doing, of course)
A nice .ttf font: liberation sans bold.
Depth-sensitive swirling water graphics.
A bunch of new stuff that's taken the place of the old text slots:
workbenches, pillars, wheels, zzzs, a fruit tree, and a nice cursor
Also a bunch of stuff for workshops and whatnot.
The raws for stone and sand and everything have been completely redone.
I think they're awesome. Let me know if any of them look weird, though.
Enjoy!
Post by: Aklyon on September 24, 2010, 08:25:12 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on September 24, 2010, 10:07:17 pm
Post by: gtmattz on September 24, 2010, 11:08:00 pm
Post by: Shiv on September 24, 2010, 11:24:31 pm
Post by: fivex on September 24, 2010, 11:27:48 pm
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/1426/ummm.png) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/ummm.png/)
This is my first time trying ironhand, so I have a question: is this tile set just dark or did I install incorrectly? Some of the tiles are extremely dark and I can't see them, they just blend in with the default black of unexplored tiles. Is that intended to simulate the darkness of underground or...something?The tileset is much darker then usual
I'm going to try using the upgrade thing on a fresh DF installation and see if it produces the same thing
Post by: LucasUP on September 24, 2010, 11:33:29 pm
(BTW Update the OP to have the right version number!)
@fivex:
Yeah, this tileset is designed for TTF turned ON.
The TTF support is incomplete, so there are a few little quirks. Some text (embark text for example) still uses the tileset. But this will be fixed eventually, and it's not really a problem.
For the SQUARES in the TTF, that could be that the font does NOT support all the required special characters, OR that its just another TTF incompleteness.
Post by: fivex on September 24, 2010, 11:43:45 pm
Barring all the quirks, things are starting to look REALLY NICE. Great work Ironhand and Wormslayer!Still, the dwarf names are messed up :/
(BTW Update the OP to have the right version number!)
@fivex:
Yeah, this tileset is designed for TTF turned ON.
The TTF support is incomplete, so there are a few little quirks. Some text (embark text for example) still uses the tileset. But this will be fixed eventually, and it's not really a problem.
For the SQUARES in the TTF, that could be that the font does NOT support all the required special characters, OR that its just another TTF incompleteness.
Post by: Shiv on September 25, 2010, 12:41:12 am
Quote
The tileset is much darker then usual
Has there been any talk of a lighter one? I dig the style and look of the things I can see, but when I can't hardly see the majority of my tunnels, well it's not much use to me.
Post by: Igfig on September 25, 2010, 01:24:02 am
Also on the world map, I don't suppose you could make small n and big V look more like hills and badlands, respectively? Everything else blends in nicely.
Other than that, looks great! I especially like how the fields look.
Post by: Qwazzerman on September 25, 2010, 01:25:34 am
Post by: fivex on September 25, 2010, 01:30:29 am
There IS a different color scheme that comes with the tileset. If you use the default, everything is really dark.Er... how do you enable it thne?
Post by: Vince on September 25, 2010, 01:32:09 am
So yes, we've got to do something about the colors! :)
Besides that, awesome new version, yay! :D
Edit:
Oh and because I didn't mention it a whole lot of time: Ironhand, I fear I STILL prefer the sorted-by-value stone/ore tiles ;)
(The rough-hewn gems are perfect, btw, I love them!)
Post by: Qwazzerman on September 25, 2010, 01:34:07 am
Post by: Qwazzerman on September 25, 2010, 01:36:28 am
Here is the contents of the Colors.txt file in the manual install.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT: Also, the graphics set (creature and dwarf icons) doesn't work in either version for me. I have no idea what to do...
Post by: Vibhor on September 25, 2010, 02:33:45 am
looks awesome,using it now
The only problem I has now (<see what I did there?) is that the tileset is too small
or in other words Me wanna decrease resolution
zooming out is not possible
Post by: Robsoie on September 25, 2010, 05:27:21 am
[PRINT_MODE:STANDARD]
instead of
[PRINT_MODE:2D]
in the init.txt
But unfortunately for this tileset, using standard instead of 2D will turn the truetype font off and you'll get very garbled text as shown by fivex in previous posts, due to now the tileset having other symbols in place of most of the text symbols :(
Ah if only that dreaded evil forced 80 horizontal tile limitation was removed, we could play on smaller windows without the very tiny display forced in 2D mode.
Post by: Baughn on September 25, 2010, 05:41:06 am
(In fact, it actually works better than in the other modes. Looks nicer, anyway. I've got code that fixes that for.. .15, I'm sure! Probably! *thumbsup*)
Post by: Ironhand on September 25, 2010, 09:02:20 am
For a long time, I had removed all the fun characters and accents from names,
because I wanted all those extra tiles for other stuff, like levers and butterflies.
But now that we've got ttfs, I put them all back in. However, the ttf support right now
is having a lot of trouble rendering those extra characters. The font in there right now
is a liberation font, so it should have every character you could possibly want.
But they don't show up yet.
Baughn? Help?
Post by: Ironhand on September 25, 2010, 09:03:40 am
Post by: Igfig on September 25, 2010, 12:58:45 pm
Post by: Baughn on September 25, 2010, 02:43:58 pm
It'll work for .15. Probably.
Post by: Porpoisepower on September 25, 2010, 06:40:16 pm
Post by: Ironhand on September 25, 2010, 07:44:45 pm
There's no llamas!
I shall remedy it at once!
Post by: Ironhand on September 25, 2010, 07:47:53 pm
Whew.
= P
Post by: Porpoisepower on September 26, 2010, 12:06:39 am
Post by: Juason on September 26, 2010, 12:44:25 am
If I set GRAPHICS to NO, the crashing appears to stop. This is with version .14 using 2D mode without anything special setup in the init files and no other mods.
Post by: Baughn on September 26, 2010, 03:45:00 am
Post by: Juason on September 26, 2010, 08:39:41 am
Post by: Juason on September 26, 2010, 09:24:53 am
Post by: Poky on September 26, 2010, 10:51:19 am
The only problem really are diacritics letters.. :) I hope it will get fixed soon so I can fully enjoy it :)
but, is it me or does your graphics set looks somehow more clear now? I love how clear the text is.. Good job on that. :)
Post by: Juason on September 26, 2010, 11:06:57 am
Post by: Ironhand on September 26, 2010, 11:07:58 am
That's what this release is all about.
And yeah, that's not a problem with our sets;
it's a problem with the release in general...
Post by: Poky on September 26, 2010, 11:11:16 am
Poky: That's because it's a ttf.
That's what this release is all about.
And yeah, that's not a problem with our sets;
it's a problem with the release in general...
Ah, so there's nothing to do about it now?
(I ask because I was waitting for this one so I have fort created with Phoebus now as well and there are no these characters.. so it's just because Phoebus' not using ttf?)
Post by: WormSlayer on September 26, 2010, 02:02:40 pm
I agree that things could stand to be lighter. The trees on the world map look super-dark, with bright trunks.
Also on the world map, I don't suppose you could make small n and big V look more like hills and badlands, respectively? Everything else blends in nicely.
Other than that, looks great! I especially like how the fields look.
Fixing things like the weird dark trees with black leaves is going to have to wait until we can get this shader stuff running.
The n and V on th Map
(http://i.imgur.com/2yITf.png)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Zisteau on September 26, 2010, 02:53:54 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on September 26, 2010, 04:09:43 pm
I would recommend calibrating your monitor / graphics card levels - If these are set correctly you should be able to clearly see even the darkest things in our set.
Post by: Morwaul on September 26, 2010, 04:31:08 pm
Just wanted to say thank you for the update. It looks like some of the ground colors may be a little lighter and that is appreciated. The fonts are freaking incredible. I like many of the graphics changes also. Many graphics seem bigger which is very nice and the stairs are better. Ther cursor is much easier to see though it would be better if you could change the up/down stairs to something different....maybe a spiral staircase? Anyway, overall a totally awesome upgrade.
Of course there are things I would still change. I would brighten the floors a little more. Maybe make the range anywhere from around the brightness of the orthoclase and native gold floors which are perfect to the microcline floors being on the lower end of visible. Everything that is darker just fades to black and makes it hard to see stockpiles and some items. I didn't even realize the regular stone floors had texture until this release. The texture is quite nice. Make it bright enough to for us to see please. Other than that I don't care for the Bin X graphic. I wish it could be a little bin like Mayday or something but this is minor. Hey, you could make a new Bin graphic. Give its graphic to the up/down stairs, and leave the cursor as it is now.
Anyway, you guys are the geniuses, I'm just glad to get to use the magic you make. Thanks for making it.
Post by: Zisteau on September 26, 2010, 04:48:01 pm
Well your not alone, "too dark" is probably our most common complaint :D
I would recommend calibrating your monitor / graphics card levels - If these are set correctly you should be able to clearly see even the darkest things in our set.
After playing the game for a bit and getting used to it again, I realize this issue is just with the z-level labels, everything else is fine, but those 3 tiles in the bottom right with the z-level number are totally black...maybe the numbers are black on black background for some reason?
Post by: WormSlayer on September 26, 2010, 06:05:24 pm
@Zisteau - You mean the terrain height display on the embark screen?
Post by: Morwaul on September 26, 2010, 07:51:01 pm
If it helps I am running DF 31.14 with Genesis 31.13 graphical dumped on top (using deons instructions) and then with IH .49 dumped on top of that.
p.s. Cool Coffins!
Post by: Vhorthex on September 26, 2010, 08:32:14 pm
I think he means the Z level display when you are in the games proper (Bottom right of the screen). It is just a black square where the numbers should be. Mine is the same way.
If it helps I am running DF 31.14 with Genesis 31.13 graphical dumped on top (using deons instructions) and then with IH .49 dumped on top of that.
p.s. Cool Coffins!
I tried to do the same, but when i read the engravings, dwarf details, etc... it uses the tilesets, so all the "o" are wells and so on.
is there a way to get the true fonts all the time? :D
This is amazing!
Post by: Morwaul on September 26, 2010, 09:09:58 pm
One more thing just in case you have not noticed it. When in the units screen (u menu) Whatever line I have highlighted is just a white bar and I cannot see any text on the highlighted line. Also, there is a Wild Animal called a "Fire Man" on my map in a lava pool. When I look at him using "k" I can see that he is a Fire Man but when I look at him with "v" or in the "u" menu all I can see is a red block where his name is. Not sure if it is red on red text or just a block.
Thanks
Post by: Zisteau on September 26, 2010, 10:29:38 pm
I think he means the Z level display when you are in the games proper (Bottom right of the screen). It is just a black square where the numbers should be. Mine is the same way.
If it helps I am running DF 31.14 with Genesis 31.13 graphical dumped on top (using deons instructions) and then with IH .49 dumped on top of that.
p.s. Cool Coffins!
This. Not talking about the embark screen, talking about the z level number in bottom right when you're in the main part of the game.
Post by: Qwazzerman on September 26, 2010, 10:46:11 pm
So if everything is too dark, try replacing the contents of the Colors.txt file in the data/init folder with the following:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Verdian on September 26, 2010, 11:56:28 pm
Keep up the good work!
Post by: Immacolata on September 27, 2010, 05:09:24 am
Post by: Ironhand on September 27, 2010, 02:19:35 pm
They are not things that I can make better, but they should be remedied shortly.
The z-level stuff you guys are complaining about is included in that category.
The darkness thing is our most common complaint. If you have a monitor with high differentiation,
the game is gonna be more contrasted, and all the darks are gonna blend together somewhere around invisible.
My monitor is apparently very low on contrast. Maybe I'll get a new one later and start edging back towards the light side,
but for now it looks fine to me and WormSlayer, so we kinda have trouble finding any motivation to change it.
Lighter color schemes should do wonders for you guys, though, if ours looks too dark for your liking.
Good stuff, Wormy.
I'm going to administer some TLC to world maps in the future, especially once we get all that fun tile-control stuff.
Post by: Theodolus on September 27, 2010, 03:09:31 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
edit: nm. forgot that I hadn't actually downloaded the new IH pack on this machine yet... ::) Oops.
Post by: Igfig on September 27, 2010, 09:27:03 pm
Hey, by the way. Did you guys ever get anywhere with making the engraved walls look different from regular smoothed ones? Mosaicy patterns or extra smoothness or whatever it was?
Post by: Morwaul on September 27, 2010, 10:51:54 pm
Lighter color schemes should do wonders for you guys, though, if ours looks too dark for your liking.
Ironhand (or anyone who knows)
Is there a way to change the color scheme to a lighter one on your graphics set? If so, how do I do it? I saw a post back a page or 2 on the colors.txt file but when I compared mine with his they were identical. If it is just a matter of swapping out this file can you recommend one for me. If not just point me in the right direction.
I really like the Ironhand graphics and want to continue using them but if there was a way brighten it easily this dwarfs happy meter would go right up to ecstatic.
Post by: Qwazzerman on September 27, 2010, 11:53:49 pm
I saw a post back a page or 2 on the colors.txt fileIf I'm not mistaken (and I could be since I am completely guessing) the Colors.txt file contains the standards for basic colors in the game (magenta, cyan, black, etc.), using the R/G/B notation. So if you adjusted the values and made all the colors a little lighter, perhaps the game would be brighter?
Or you could make your own *crazy* color scheme! Red is black! Blue is up! Magenta now attracts iron!
And you could always save a backup file and replace it if things go wonky.
Post by: Antilope on September 28, 2010, 08:48:29 am
Post by: gtmattz on September 28, 2010, 10:56:26 am
Lighter color schemes should do wonders for you guys, though, if ours looks too dark for your liking.
Ironhand (or anyone who knows)
Is there a way to change the color scheme to a lighter one on your graphics set? If so, how do I do it? I saw a post back a page or 2 on the colors.txt file but when I compared mine with his they were identical. If it is just a matter of swapping out this file can you recommend one for me. If not just point me in the right direction.
I really like the Ironhand graphics and want to continue using them but if there was a way brighten it easily this dwarfs happy meter would go right up to ecstatic.
Head over to the wiki and look up 'color scheme', there are quite a few different schemes you can try out, maybe one of them will suit your eyeballs.
Post by: ungulateman on September 28, 2010, 10:57:08 am
It's a shame that TTF isn't implemented for each menu yet. The dwarf individual pages are hideous, as are the history pages for the most part.
Post by: Immacolata on September 28, 2010, 12:54:52 pm
Anyone else experiencing crashes when loo[k]ing at certain things in Fortress Mode? Currently it happens when looking at a smear of cyclops blood. It never happens when not using True Type so it could be a vanilla bug.
I haven't even seen a cyclops yet :)
Quote from: ungulateman
It's a shame that TTF isn't implemented for each menu yet. The dwarf individual pages are hideous, as are the history pages for the most part.
Yes, I switched back to Phoebus because the many non-TTF screen and blocks where accented characters should be, it got too annoying on my eyeballs. If I understood it correct, it is Toady One who needs to convert the remaning non-TTF screens, Ironhand can't do a thing.
But what about the accented characters? Why are they turning into blocks?
Anyways, I really prefer Ironhands beautiful tiles. They are both refined in their detail and I love the choice of colors. On Phoebus I hate red sand so much, but it looks delicate on Ironhand.
Post by: gtmattz on September 28, 2010, 01:39:00 pm
But what about the accented characters? Why are they turning into blocks?
I think it is something in the way it is interpreting the font. I tried a few other fonts that have all the special characters and they do the same thing, so I am assuming it is something with the game and not the specific font that Ironhand picked. Now where this problem gets fixed is another thing, it is definitely not something that Ironhand can clear up, so we will have to wait till Baughn finds the problem I think.
Post by: Ratbert_CP on September 28, 2010, 02:24:15 pm
I haven't even seen a cyclops yet :)
Keep an eye out for them...
Post by: Immacolata on September 28, 2010, 03:29:32 pm
I haven't even seen a cyclops yet :)
Keep an eye out for them...
As many as I can spare, one should suffice ;)
Post by: Wideman on September 28, 2010, 03:56:28 pm
F**KING AMAZING, yes at the moment it has problems. but hey, theyll be overcome soon, but yeah. the set is really good and i use it all the time. and i hope you keep updating it, and keep it current.
Post by: carebear on September 29, 2010, 11:39:31 am
Post by: microMOOSE on September 30, 2010, 01:32:07 pm
Post by: ungulateman on September 30, 2010, 09:08:54 pm
*sticks to 31.12*
Post by: GHudston on September 30, 2010, 09:38:13 pm
31.14 is pretty unstable. I got several crahses from looking at certain parts of Legends, changing my fortress name and embarking.
*sticks to 31.12*
I agree! However, I was between fortresses when I installed the new version and have since deleted the old version. Now I can't find it anywhere!
Is there anywhere to download one of the earlier, more stable versions of this set until the various crashing and text issues are gone?
Post by: Harmonica on October 01, 2010, 01:22:37 am
31.14 is pretty unstable. I got several crahses from looking at certain parts of Legends, changing my fortress name and embarking.
*sticks to 31.12*
I agree! However, I was between fortresses when I installed the new version and have since deleted the old version. Now I can't find it anywhere!
Is there anywhere to download one of the earlier, more stable versions of this set until the various crashing and text issues are gone?
I'm not sure if there's a repositry of them anywhere, I assume Ironhand has them saved. I myself have 0.46 zipped but you'd probably want 0.48 (latest pre-true type)
Post by: oolon1 on October 01, 2010, 01:50:19 am
31.14 is pretty unstable. I got several crahses from looking at certain parts of Legends, changing my fortress name and embarking.
*sticks to 31.12*
Yeah, this is because the o-circumflex character is causing some sort of weird line ending or code interrupting error, instead of turning into a block like the rest of the diacritics. I made a bug report when 0.31.13 came out. Sounds like based on what Baughn said earlier in the thread that it'll be fixed in the next patch.
Post by: Ironhand on October 05, 2010, 08:24:22 am
It might be the weekend before I get around to updating, though.
Also, Baughn: when can we expect all that delightful awesome manual tiling stuff?
Post by: Deon on October 05, 2010, 09:54:17 am
Post by: Zanethda on October 05, 2010, 10:15:55 am
I think I need to go hunt down where this fancy upcoming graphical support was mentioned. It sounds quite lovely, and I'm trying to fit together a tileset of my own >_>
Yeah, this is because the o-circumflex character is causing some sort of weird line ending or code interrupting error, instead of turning into a block like the rest of the diacritics. I made a bug report when 0.31.13 came out. Sounds like based on what Baughn said earlier in the thread that it'll be fixed in the next patch.Was wondering which character was eating the rest of the text after it. D: Makes job cancellation messages even more aggrivating.
Post by: Yardo on October 06, 2010, 06:43:15 pm
Only issue I have is that the pillars look like the wheel symbol also used on the trade depo. Can't seem to find how to use the nice
square ones from the set. So all walls end in a wheel for now, I can live with that. :)
Post by: ginsweater on October 06, 2010, 07:51:28 pm
Only issue I have is that the pillars look like the wheel symbol also used on the trade depo. Can't seem to find how to use the nice
square ones from the set.
I believe it's in d_init.txt (in the data/init directory). Change PILLAR_TILE to 199.
Post by: Yardo on October 06, 2010, 09:07:49 pm
Post by: rntrndrw on October 07, 2010, 03:12:38 am
I really want to try out this tileset, it looks amazing
Post by: Nemo157 on October 07, 2010, 06:43:21 am
Tried generating a quick fort and it loaded fine, will start up a fort and post any problems I find.
http://db.tt/hhd0gKS (http://db.tt/hhd0gKS)
Post by: Ironhand on October 07, 2010, 08:35:58 am
Oh hey, what do you call a group of dwarves?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Nemo157 on October 07, 2010, 08:55:59 am
I have found one problem with just merging the raws, the miners are getting the child picture instead of the miner one, other than that its working.
Post by: Ironhand on October 07, 2010, 09:51:44 am
I think it's because you've got a "graphics_example.txt" file in your raw/graphics folder.
Try killing that (or just removing all the text from it so it's an empty file) and see what happens.
Post by: Ironhand on October 07, 2010, 10:50:30 am
Anyway ENJOY! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
Also, I'm trying my hand at making music just for the fun of it.
It's in there if you want to play with it.
I think Toady's is better, though.
Post by: Ironhand on October 07, 2010, 11:04:00 am
It's a nice boat. Three and a half decks. Portholes, gun windows, storage, three masts, crow's nest, the whole nine yards.
We lit it on fire. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9K-zIU93IM)
Post by: rntrndrw on October 07, 2010, 11:15:58 am
Besides those few things It looks amazing! I really like the way the water swirls, and the funny little dorf with a monocle.
Edit: Nice boat!
Post by: Ironhand on October 07, 2010, 11:37:31 am
But it'll be one of the first things fixed when we get all that fun new stuff from Baughn.
The second thing I'm gonna look at, though, is the world map. It'll get pretty, don't worry.
Anyway, if there's black spots, it's probably WormSlayer's fault. = P But it'll get fixed later.
Post by: gtmattz on October 07, 2010, 11:38:43 am
Text is being replaced with things like skulls and wells.
That is because Toady and Baughn have not completed converting all of the screens to use true type fonts, which this tileset is using.
Post by: rntrndrw on October 07, 2010, 11:59:38 am
Post by: carebear on October 07, 2010, 12:11:07 pm
Post by: Classico on October 07, 2010, 12:36:49 pm
Also also, check out our most recent Minecraft project.
It's a nice boat. Three and a half decks. Portholes, gun windows, storage, three masts, crow's nest, the whole nine yards.
We lit it on fire. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9K-zIU93IM)
So it continues to burn below the waterline? I'll be glad when fluids are modeled properly. Very nice btw, any interior shots?
Thank you for the update to .16, this set is amazing. Keep up the awesome work!
Post by: Ironhand on October 07, 2010, 03:54:25 pm
This thread could use some more screenshots of the latest release. I might be able to make a few.
That would be awesome! Please do!
Anybody else who can find the time, feel free to toss a few screenshots my way.
I'd love to have a little screenshot gallery on the OP to give people an idea of how it looks.
So it continues to burn below the waterline? I'll be glad when fluids are modeled properly. Very nice btw, any interior shots?
Yeah. Also, the whole "not falling even when nothing's supporting it" deal. I'd love it if our ship could ACTUALLY float on the water,
so we could sail it around and stuff. And like fall apart properly and sink when we choose to destroy it. I don't know how much of that's gonna happen.
I don't think we've got any good interior shots right now. I mean, the pretty part is the outside. I've got a little cabin under the poop deck,
and there's room for the rest of the crew below decks. But it's nothing as pretty as the sails and stuff on the outside.
Anyway, glad you like the tileset. It's far from done-- we have GRAND plans! = P
Just wait.
Post by: Stormchild on October 07, 2010, 04:12:03 pm
And nice job with the boat. Both with the building and destruction (both are needed for proper balance, a philosopher would say)
Keep up with the winsauce.
Post by: Durithill on October 07, 2010, 04:39:51 pm
I really must pay attention to this more often. Miss a day and you've already got another update out, lol.
Your tiles are always nice, but I wish I could use them. At the moment I'm having curious issues with me fortress, so can't really enjoy the fanciness much.
Post by: Wavecutter on October 07, 2010, 06:22:59 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Yardo on October 07, 2010, 06:54:04 pm
And nice boat by the way. ;D
Post by: rntrndrw on October 07, 2010, 08:02:48 pm
Hre is a pic of the latest Ironhand version on my 40 inch flat screen.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh man, you took a picture of your entire monitor?
Its hard to see, its a little fuzzy. Try pressing alt+print screen, and then pasting into paint.
Post by: Wavecutter on October 07, 2010, 08:09:14 pm
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/LT40164
Post by: rntrndrw on October 07, 2010, 08:11:30 pm
(http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/1307/dryriver.th.jpg) (http://img814.imageshack.us/i/dryriver.jpg/)
Thats actually really cool embark, theres a dry river bed running through the mountain. And theres eagles soaring!
Post by: Aklyon on October 07, 2010, 08:12:07 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on October 07, 2010, 08:13:40 pm
Post by: rntrndrw on October 07, 2010, 08:16:05 pm
I would belive you. :P
Sometimes I wished I had a real monitor. My HDTV natively displays 1360x768 while my friends monitor is capable of reaching MUCH higher resolutions. somthing like 1900x1600!
Edit: WOW! Thats a nice TV!
Post by: Aklyon on October 07, 2010, 08:17:07 pm
but it doesn't really show off Ironhand's set much, besides the fact that it still looks pretty decent even with glare.
Post by: Greendogo on October 08, 2010, 07:57:25 am
Post by: Arucard on October 08, 2010, 08:13:18 am
Well it appears FRAPS doesn't like DF anymore, but I took a couple with the in-game tool. They are severely cropped, and kind of hard to see (damn FRAPS) but do show off some of the different tiles.
in the new fort
(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad79/Arucard_Tepes/IH491-1.png)
Some wilderness
(http://i923.photobucket.com/albums/ad79/Arucard_Tepes/IH491-2.png)
Use them if you like, until some good ones come along anyway.
Post by: ironhand_fan on October 08, 2010, 10:38:49 am
The Outside, during late spring, you can still see some trees are snowcovered.
(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m481/ironhand_fan/ironhand_048_fronzen_river.jpg)
Barracks, Graves and workshop areas.
(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m481/ironhand_fan/ironhand_048_barrracks_work_grave.jpg)
Gems, and other itmes in warehouse.
(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m481/ironhand_fan/ironhand_048_warehouse.jpg)
Farming the well-known plump helmets (and other food stuff around there).
(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m481/ironhand_fan/ironhand_048_farms.jpg)
Dwelling deep undergroun are (harmless mushrooms and friendly creatures).
(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m481/ironhand_fan/ironhand_048_underground.jpg)
And last, the best place for a dwarf - meeting hall, getting a drink. Notice the Engraved walls. (And the Goblins are actually in cages).
(http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m481/ironhand_fan/ironhand_048_meeting_hall.jpg)
Post by: Ironhand on October 08, 2010, 01:00:02 pm
I have some ideas. = P
Also also,
did you guys see that stuff on the dev page about the new trolls?
I'm pretty excited about that.
Post by: Deon on October 08, 2010, 01:14:20 pm
Post by: Ironhand on October 08, 2010, 01:24:52 pm
Post by: YouR_DooM on October 08, 2010, 01:47:52 pm
Large view ( how I play ):
(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/YouR_DooM/Immagine.jpg?t=1286563599)
Zoomed all the way:
(http://i1090.photobucket.com/albums/i372/YouR_DooM/Immagine-1.jpg?t=1286563826)
I tried to get a little bit of everything in the screen, to show as much as possible.
Post by: Durithill on October 09, 2010, 12:08:41 am
Your forts are fairly nice~
I have a couple of mine too.
This is the outside of my fort. We're situated on an evil salt water glacier, thus all the corpses lying around the place. Goblins don't like skeletal elk, apparently.
Spoiler: Outside (click to show/hide)
This one's my barracks, where all my soldiers go to not train. Also got a bit of storage around here, and that room made out of ice belongs to my captain of the guard (currently deceased).
Spoiler: Barracks (click to show/hide)
Conveniently located near to my barracks, I also set up a little hospital. At least one of the dwarfs in those beds is missing a limb.
Spoiler: Hospital (click to show/hide)
This is one of my housing areas. I have another one like this set up another level down, 'cause I liked the way it looked. People sure like leaving things lying around.
Spoiler: Housing (click to show/hide)
Underneath the plebeian housing is the noble housing. Finally got upgraded to a barony, so I had to make a new room that may or may not resemble the USS Enterprise.
Spoiler: Noble Housing (click to show/hide)
My awesome dining hall. Ran out of gold and I don't know what metal/rock is black, so I have yet to finish it.
Spoiler: Dining (click to show/hide)
The heart and soul of a fortress: the farms and workshops.
Spoiler: Main Area (click to show/hide)
A little trap for forgotten beasts, and also some underground shrubbery.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Domenique on October 09, 2010, 03:26:20 am
Here's my fortress:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lower right contains the soon to be offices, barracks and the hospital, the left side contains living room with dining hall in the center and to the right are the workshops with stockpiles in the center and below it. There are also sewers underneath but they're not much to look at.
By the way, is there a way to make the tileset brighter, because i have to set my monitor at 100% brightness and 100% contrast to see a thing. Otherwise, this is the most awesome graphics for DF i have ever seen.
Post by: Yardo on October 09, 2010, 06:16:31 am
The entrance, nothing fancy, there is a level of fortifications on top though.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Workshops. Storage is between the outside and the workshops, but those are rather boring :)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Rooms and dining area.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hospital and barracks, with danger room.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The level below the hospital only has the water resevoir for the well.
Post by: Ironhand on October 09, 2010, 07:42:06 am
Post by: Ironhand on October 09, 2010, 07:44:13 am
Orthoclase (in your wall right there in the dining hall) is the same color as gold.
Nobody would ever know the difference, and I'm sure the room is already 'legendary'.
Post by: Durithill on October 09, 2010, 12:34:01 pm
I do like elaborate rooms. I like trying to make things look fancy, with the exception of my workshop areas usually~
Although this time I can't take credit for the design of the dining room and the regular housing.
@Ironhand:
You're right, it is already legendary. I do have more gold though, it just needs to be mined out. There's still a ton left back where I mined out the other stuff.
Any suggestions for dark pink and regular pink metals or stones though? I know you mentioned some stuff before, but I forgot what and it might just be me but it looks like there's been color changes in this update.
My ice dome is almost complete too. Unfortunately my dwarfs have developed an unusual habit of suffocating the moment they step outside.
Post by: gtmattz on October 09, 2010, 06:02:15 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And my front gate:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The waterfall draws its water from a murky pool which is fed water from the high volume pumping setup to the right of the trade depot which gets its power and water from an aquifer on the level below. The trade depot is drowning chamber which drains into the aquifer through the grates, and is also fed from the pumps.
Post by: xDarkz on October 10, 2010, 01:40:46 am
The screencaps are great! Your tileset really emphasizes the uniqueness of every one of our fortresses :].
I have one question though.
I'm playing on my netbook, so obviously the screen will be severally cropped. I tried zooming but it's still extremely small and very hard to see. Is there anything I can do to resolve this? The vanilla version of Dwarf Fortress seems capable of zooming in all the way, but this tileset won't allow me to zoom anymore, it stays in the corner of the screen even while full-screened.
Any ideas?
Thanks mate :]
Post by: Ironhand on October 10, 2010, 07:03:31 am
because it zooms in up to its native resolution. Or so I thought. Does anybody else know?
Post by: Morwaul on October 10, 2010, 07:36:10 pm
Post by: Durithill on October 10, 2010, 09:33:33 pm
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Post by: Cruxador on October 11, 2010, 12:33:54 am
Is it just me, or is the text supposed to be doing this? I looked at the dwarfs in question with Dwarf Therepist, and it seems like it happens on the special characters (ä, í, î, etc.).That's normal; special characters are not correctly integrated. It'll be fixed sooner or later.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tormy on October 11, 2010, 08:10:15 am
Is it just me, or is the text supposed to be doing this? I looked at the dwarfs in question with Dwarf Therepist, and it seems like it happens on the special characters (ä, í, î, etc.).That's normal; special characters are not correctly integrated. It'll be fixed sooner or later.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Let's hope that Baughn will fix the [most] problematic things for the next update.
Post by: Deon on October 11, 2010, 09:20:27 am
Post by: gtmattz on October 11, 2010, 12:13:44 pm
It's not a problematic thing for me :). I usually (always) play without special characters.
How does one go about removing the special characters? I find them very annoying, even when they work.
Post by: magmaholic on October 11, 2010, 12:39:42 pm
we cant see the change in graphics.
Post by: Ironhand on October 11, 2010, 03:21:47 pm
but it's still at the same URL.
I'll change it now,
but that will always be the most current link.
Post by: Durithill on October 11, 2010, 04:59:43 pm
Post by: Ironhand on October 11, 2010, 06:58:36 pm
Download the Mac version.
Download the Ironhand Upgrade pack.
Drag the upgrade into the same folder,
and overwrite all the overlapping stuff.
It should work...
Post by: Durithill on October 11, 2010, 07:44:47 pm
I told him to get a PC, but apparently that's not an option, lol.
Post by: risinglegend on October 11, 2010, 10:29:41 pm
- Download the full "Ironhands package"
- Download the mac version of dwarf fortress: df_osx
- Open both files
- Drag the "df" file from df_osx over to the Ironhands folder
- Remove the file called "Dwarf Fortress.exe" from the Ironhands folder. You can trash it.
- Drag the "dwarfort.exe" file from the df_osx over to the Ironhands folder
Click the "df" file to start the program and it should work for you :) Hope it helps! Let me know! :)
Post by: Durithill on October 11, 2010, 11:51:48 pm
Post by: Deon on October 11, 2010, 11:58:28 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2158It's not a problematic thing for me :). I usually (always) play without special characters.
How does one go about removing the special characters? I find them very annoying, even when they work.
Post by: xDarkz on October 12, 2010, 02:19:54 am
Thanks again!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on October 12, 2010, 03:23:10 pm
Play with those, I guess. I wish I could help you more.
Post by: Durithill on October 12, 2010, 10:43:10 pm
That looks like it's about the same size as just my regular zoom.
Post by: gtmattz on October 13, 2010, 11:26:49 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2158It's not a problematic thing for me :). I usually (always) play without special characters.
How does one go about removing the special characters? I find them very annoying, even when they work.
Thanks!
Post by: Slye_Fox on October 13, 2010, 11:39:36 am
I tried this, but when i try to load a game, it says missing definitions.How does one go about removing the special characters? I find them very annoying, even when they work.http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2158
The special characters are causing problems ingame, some dwarfs are having their names ad profession's cut off.
e.g. I have a dwarf called "Cilob Kadôlemal, Soldier" in DwarfTherapist, but in game it's just "Cilob Kad"
Post by: Ironhand on October 13, 2010, 01:30:08 pm
If you want a list of your dwarves along with their professions, hit...
oh, what is it? L? Or something?
Gosh, I haven't played DF in a while.
Post by: Slye_Fox on October 13, 2010, 03:02:59 pm
Post by: zippy on October 13, 2010, 09:13:17 pm
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Post by: Slye_Fox on October 13, 2010, 09:58:02 pm
As this time currently, not all text screens or special characters have been done.
Post by: gtmattz on October 14, 2010, 02:51:03 am
Hi.. maybe someone already asked that question and get answer, but..Is this normal? i mean that... sumbols instead letters.. if not - how 2 fix it?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As the above poster stated, this is perfectly normal for the current version of this graphics pack. You will just have to be patient for now, until the Toad and Baugn have taken care of everything this is going to be a running issue. If you absolutely cannot stand it, there is always the Phoebus pack to fall back on.
Post by: lagging savant on October 14, 2010, 02:28:53 pm
I'm developing a free roguelike and would like permission to use this font set.
Would you have any objection? Please PM me via this board if you'd like to open a dialogue.
Thanks
Post by: Ironhand on October 14, 2010, 03:54:30 pm
Just give me (and Wormslayer) credit for it.
Post by: Durithill on October 14, 2010, 03:58:23 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on October 14, 2010, 06:26:01 pm
Yeah, there's a character or two that's printing as a \n or something.
Should be fixed eventually, whenever they get to the text stuff again.
Not something I can make better. Sorry.
Post by: Durithill on October 14, 2010, 07:51:40 pm
Alright. Well luckily Vucar Kad is in prison, so I shouldn't be getting messages from him anytime soon.
Post by: got_milk on October 16, 2010, 01:35:42 pm
I got one tiny issue with it tho:
Sme materials dont seem to retain their colors when constructed (e.g. microline, cobaltite.) The walls just end up being gray. Is there a workaround for that ?
Post by: Durithill on October 16, 2010, 02:20:07 pm
The same thing happened to me and I was like "What's going on?" before I checked the walls and found out that they were simply covered in snow. So it's possible that might be what's happening.
Post by: krisslanza on October 16, 2010, 02:25:44 pm
Just something I've noticed that kinda bugs me.
Post by: got_milk on October 16, 2010, 02:55:52 pm
Is it normal for graphic packs to sometimes mess up the text? like random letters are turned into skulls and crossbones, or other various tile things.
Just something I've noticed that kinda bugs me.
yep its normal.. will be fixed when true type fonts are fully implemented.
Post by: got_milk on October 16, 2010, 03:39:04 pm
You wouldn't happen to be building stuff outside in the cold, would you?
The same thing happened to me and I was like "What's going on?" before I checked the walls and found out that they were simply covered in snow. So it's possible that might be what's happening.
nah its a warm temperate here. Strangely enough Olivine walls/floors show up green like they should.
Post by: Ironhand on October 16, 2010, 06:53:26 pm
I can fix that for the next release.
It's a problem with the colors I chose for the wall tiles, I think.
Thanks for letting me know!
Post by: Gutanoth on October 17, 2010, 05:03:08 am
Post by: Ironhand on October 17, 2010, 05:38:43 pm
Not in a while.
But that's still the next big goal.
I'm just waiting for goodies from Baughn.
Post by: Ironhand on October 18, 2010, 08:54:00 am
It will probably be a while. It's gonna be a busy week.
But maybe over the weekend I'll find some time.
Keep an eye open.
Post by: recluser on October 18, 2010, 01:01:18 pm
..to get my hands on them dorfs again..
The way you sead it makes me want to call the "battered dwarf protection league" or something such ;)
Post by: ungulateman on October 18, 2010, 09:01:53 pm
Looking forward to it. And how about getting on with some of those animals too? ;) (Mainly the big cats and their giant versions.)
Post by: drailgre on October 19, 2010, 04:14:50 pm
Post by: gtmattz on October 19, 2010, 06:20:25 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Gutanoth on October 19, 2010, 07:28:51 pm
Post by: gtmattz on October 19, 2010, 08:53:46 pm
gtmattz, did you get a save before you started? if you didnt post the first save you have anyways (the adamantine looks fun for insta uber adventurers)
Ok, I re-counted and its only 80 or so z levels of adamantine between the sea and the surface, but probably over 100 total if you cound down into the smr.
And, like a numbskull, I did not make a backup when i started, so you will have to deal with my probings and silliness (brook redirected down one pipe, magma sea down the other...). http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3299
Post by: misantropia on October 25, 2010, 09:37:01 am
new guy here, so sorry for stupid questions.
I installed the mod and the mod CTD wn the name chooser of the fortress on the letter C (the page undet "castle"). any ideas?
Also the special lettering in the dwarf alphabet are missing
Post by: Jim94 on October 25, 2010, 04:48:52 pm
helo.
new guy here, so sorry for stupid questions.
I installed the mod and the mod CTD wn the name chooser of the fortress on the letter C (the page undet "castle"). any ideas?
Also the special lettering in the dwarf alphabet are missing
Im getting the same thing, the only error in my errorlog.txt is "impoverised word selector"
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69078.msg1668119#new (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=69078.msg1668119#new)
Post by: Ironhand on October 25, 2010, 08:24:43 pm
If I ever get around to updating some stuff,
I can release the next version without special characters if you guys want.
We'll see what the ttf support is doing and not doing by then, I suppose.
Sorry about the latency on this thread, by the way.
I've been busy learning about thread latency of a different sort. = P
Operating Systems class (along with all my other ones) is sort of killing me.
Hopefully I'll be able to get something out eventually...
If nothing sooner, I'll make you guys an extra super special fabulous Christmas release.
Post by: misantropia on October 26, 2010, 03:37:55 am
Post by: Ironhand on October 26, 2010, 07:05:27 am
Sorry.
Post by: Domenique on October 26, 2010, 12:12:06 pm
If nothing sooner, I'll make you guys an extra super special fabulous Christmas release.
I think this christmas might be worth the wait.
Post by: Frobozz on October 27, 2010, 03:01:50 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=2511&f=Ironhand+0.495.rar (http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=2511&f=Ironhand+0.495.rar)
Post by: Ironhand on October 28, 2010, 09:17:42 am
I thought it got rid of all the old versions when it updated to a new one.
Also, I totally forgot that I released a 0.495.
I guess I just forgot to rename the version.
Post by: Baughn on November 02, 2010, 04:57:37 am
New job (first job, actually), lots of stuff to learn.. my education didn't really prepare me for working at google. I was totally bushed for a while. :'(
But I'm all better now. Though I don't have nearly as much free time as I used to, I'm starting to work on TTF support (and the other bits again). It depends on Toady's speed of release, but assuming it doesn't happen in the next few days, I'd say there's a good chance the next release will be good.
Post by: RagNoRock on November 02, 2010, 10:06:12 am
Just after a bit of polish.
Post by: Ironhand on November 02, 2010, 11:00:42 am
I haven't seen WormSlayer around here in weeks.
Google, huh? Wow! Congratulations!
Post by: Aklyon on November 02, 2010, 11:28:23 am
Post by: HeliumFreak on November 02, 2010, 12:28:38 pm
Post by: SalmonGod on November 02, 2010, 03:45:04 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on November 02, 2010, 04:57:47 pm
Post by: TKTom on November 03, 2010, 05:51:35 pm
Was there going to be a non TTF package? I hate the special character issue....ruins it for me right now. Nothing wrong with the graphics set and I know Baughn is working on it....but til its fixed I would love a solution
Go into the language files and change the special characters for their normal equivalent.
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Utility:Accent_Removal (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Utility:Accent_Removal)
Post by: dennislp3 on November 03, 2010, 07:50:00 pm
Post by: Clover Magic on November 03, 2010, 08:35:48 pm
Here is a screenshot of my (horribly huge and inefficient) stockpiles:
Linked because it is big (http://i55.tinypic.com/2q9hteu.png)
Thanks for such a great graphics set!
Post by: Slye_Fox on November 04, 2010, 03:59:33 am
Go into the language files and change the special characters for their normal equivalent.
http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Utility:Accent_Removal (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Utility:Accent_Removal)
Tried that, the game says "missing word definition" when I try to load tough.
Post by: Deon on November 04, 2010, 02:14:20 pm
Post by: Slye_Fox on November 04, 2010, 04:14:56 pm
Post by: Aklyon on November 04, 2010, 04:29:17 pm
make a new world and it shouldn't have a problem, since it didn't start with that thing.
Post by: gtmattz on November 04, 2010, 05:10:53 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Slye_Fox on November 04, 2010, 06:00:20 pm
the old world had something that is now missing from your raws.Ah, but it's my saves I want to fix.
make a new world and it shouldn't have a problem, since it didn't start with that thing.
Post by: Aklyon on November 04, 2010, 06:38:43 pm
Post by: Slye_Fox on November 05, 2010, 06:13:09 am
Post by: Silophant on November 07, 2010, 10:44:04 am
Post by: Greendogo on November 08, 2010, 02:06:38 am
Post by: Ironhand on November 08, 2010, 09:16:20 am
Like, coastlines can be pretty, smooth, curvy things with little waves crashing on them,
instead of blocky drop-offs that look exactly like the rest of the ocean. It'll be awesome.
Another big one is multi-tile creatures. We can make our dragons and titans look huge!
And then, of course, just custom art for things that are already multi-tile. That is really exciting.
We'll be able to use our own sprites for wagons and workshops and drawbridges and siege weapons...
Post by: Johnnyr on November 08, 2010, 11:45:19 am
Post by: wuxia on November 11, 2010, 09:05:46 am
image (http://imgur.com/Q3afj.png)
Post by: Hugo_The_Dwarf on November 11, 2010, 09:19:17 am
Hello, I'm having a slight font problem. Does anyone know what's causing it?
Yes I am having the same issue
Post by: Deon on November 11, 2010, 09:19:57 am
Post by: wuxia on November 11, 2010, 09:27:44 am
The descriptions do not use ttf fonts (yet). It should be fixed later (when Toady One and Baughn make it happen).
Actually when I disabled the ttf font my pregame menu got fucked up as well. Whereas while it was on the pregame menu was just fine.
Post by: TKTom on November 11, 2010, 09:50:26 am
The descriptions do not use ttf fonts (yet). It should be fixed later (when Toady One and Baughn make it happen).
Actually when I disabled the ttf font my pregame menu got fucked up as well. Whereas while it was on the pregame menu was just fine.
Yes... ttf gets used on the pregame menu but not on the descriptions. When the ttf isn't on then the game will use the tileset to render everything. Meaning that it will all be "fucked up".
Post by: llvllarker on November 12, 2010, 04:59:46 am
Post by: Ironhand on November 12, 2010, 10:35:04 am
I wonder if he's fixed any of the ttf stuff.
Regardless, I want to go adventuring! = D
So expect an update later this weekend!
(probably no new graphics, though)
Post by: leungclj on November 12, 2010, 10:38:57 am
cant wait to see the update!
Post by: Mr. Wallet on November 12, 2010, 01:25:36 pm
I was just wondering if you were ever planning on making the text more readable. On my last install I was running a pretty old graphics set which seemed to have no trouble having both an icon for wells and the letter "o".
Post by: Aklyon on November 12, 2010, 02:28:16 pm
It's not like me to tl;dr, but 200 pages... wow.I only see 120.
Anyway, I'm also wondering if the ttf support has been bettered yet too.
Post by: gtmattz on November 12, 2010, 05:04:08 pm
I was just wondering if you were ever planning on making the text more readable. On my last install I was running a pretty old graphics set which seemed to have no trouble having both an icon for wells and the letter "o".
The problem you are describing is not something that is under the control of Ironhand, it is Baughn and Toady who are working on the TTF implementation, and as such is something that Ironhand is waiting for just like everyone else.
Post by: Benata on November 12, 2010, 05:14:29 pm
Post by: carebear on November 12, 2010, 05:55:39 pm
Hopefully it happens soon, so we don't get that question 3 times per page anymore. :PI was just wondering if you were ever planning on making the text more readable. On my last install I was running a pretty old graphics set which seemed to have no trouble having both an icon for wells and the letter "o".
The problem you are describing is not something that is under the control of Ironhand, it is Baughn and Toady who are working on the TTF implementation, and as such is something that Ironhand is waiting for just like everyone else.
Post by: Wavecutter on November 13, 2010, 12:33:31 pm
Post by: Rex_Nex on November 13, 2010, 12:39:47 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on November 13, 2010, 01:20:00 pm
It's not like me to tl;dr, but 200 pages... wow.I only see 120.
Anyway, I'm also wondering if the ttf support has been bettered yet too.
On default forum settings....there is 200 pages
Post by: Benata on November 13, 2010, 03:09:11 pm
Waaah :(
Post by: Dragonchampion on November 14, 2010, 06:46:53 am
Post by: nenjin on November 14, 2010, 09:19:01 am
Anticipation bump. ;D
+1
Post by: Aklyon on November 14, 2010, 09:38:57 am
+3Anticipation bump. ;D
+1
Post by: leungclj on November 14, 2010, 10:57:53 am
+3Anticipation bump. ;D
+1
+5?
Post by: Deon on November 14, 2010, 11:09:36 am
-65535+3Anticipation bump. ;D+1
+5?
Buffer overflow :/
Post by: Aklyon on November 14, 2010, 12:25:45 pm
+ -4578213-65535+3Anticipation bump. ;D+1
+5?
Buffer overflow :/
Post by: Deon on November 14, 2010, 12:32:58 pm
P.S. Wow, you spammer... http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-800-457-8213
Post by: Aklyon on November 14, 2010, 02:03:41 pm
Interesting link, though.
Post by: Wartender on November 14, 2010, 07:39:38 pm
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/693/dwarftest2.png)
also please release version for .17 D:
Post by: sir_laser on November 14, 2010, 08:11:31 pm
Post by: HeliumFreak on November 14, 2010, 08:25:44 pm
@Wartender thats pretty sweet
Post by: Aklyon on November 14, 2010, 08:36:03 pm
Post by: duckInferno on November 14, 2010, 08:48:02 pm
/ungrateful
Post by: Wartender on November 14, 2010, 09:31:26 pm
wanted to make a goblin next to him but got lazy. :P
Post by: gtmattz on November 15, 2010, 12:44:32 am
What does TTF require? Is it something Toady has to incorporate into the base code first?
Yes, it is something that Toady and Baugh are working on, it is nothing that can be modded in.
I am going to assume that it requires going into the code and everywhere that text is used, changing from using the tileset image for the text, to using TT fonts. Along with this is a lot of formatting to do that would not have been needed when using the fixed size tiles.
In short, it is a lot of work, and Toady and Baughn are taking care of it as they can.
Post by: Cruxador on November 15, 2010, 02:13:45 am
Well, technically, I guess it could be modded in and that's what Baughn is doing. Since the code in question id the bit that Toady has made available to the public.What does TTF require? Is it something Toady has to incorporate into the base code first?
Yes, it is something that Toady and Baugh are working on, it is nothing that can be modded in.
I am going to assume that it requires going into the code and everywhere that text is used, changing from using the tileset image for the text, to using TT fonts. Along with this is a lot of formatting to do that would not have been needed when using the fixed size tiles.
In short, it is a lot of work, and Toady and Baughn are taking care of it as they can.
Post by: Ironhand on November 15, 2010, 09:56:40 am
It's still the weekend somewhere in the world.
I am gonna do this right now!
Post by: Benata on November 15, 2010, 09:58:24 am
Post by: Ironhand on November 15, 2010, 10:27:38 am
Sorry again for the delay...
Everybody enjoy adventure mode!
It's supposed to be awesome and exciting and stuff!
I'm hoping to get a chance to check it out myself!
Cheers!
Post by: nenjin on November 15, 2010, 11:03:29 am
(Btw, new release coming tomorrow probably. :P)
Post by: leungclj on November 15, 2010, 11:16:39 am
Post by: nenjin on November 15, 2010, 11:26:03 am
The bodily sections in the aimed attack window do not clear when you scroll through the lists. IE the first page is still there and just underneath the current page.
Readability is Adventure mode is a little tough. Manageable. The font looks great though, and I like how it no longer dominates the whole screen.
Post by: Ironhand on November 15, 2010, 11:27:35 am
I have no control over how text is displayed...
Post by: nenjin on November 15, 2010, 11:31:45 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is someone else handling packaging fonts into it?
Post by: Benata on November 15, 2010, 11:55:25 am
It looks like this for you?I have the same problem.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Is someone else handling packaging fonts into it?
My guess is that weird emptiness is because of ttf...
No real idea though, also nothing bad about it.
Post by: Deon on November 15, 2010, 11:58:35 am
I wonder why do you have "gamma" trees.
Post by: nenjin on November 15, 2010, 12:52:14 pm
Post by: Deon on November 15, 2010, 01:10:09 pm
Post by: Ironhand on November 15, 2010, 01:37:19 pm
I feel like maybe toady's hardcoding
trees under certain conditions or something.
All the tree definitions should be just like before...
Post by: Antonater on November 15, 2010, 04:15:04 pm
Post by: duckInferno on November 15, 2010, 04:23:28 pm
I mean HERE IT IS (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511).Thanks :)
Sorry again for the delay...
Everybody enjoy adventure mode!
It's supposed to be awesome and exciting and stuff!
I'm hoping to get a chance to check it out myself!
Cheers!
Post by: duckInferno on November 15, 2010, 05:05:06 pm
(http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/1782/treewall.png)
Post by: Deon on November 15, 2010, 05:09:36 pm
Post by: Deon on November 15, 2010, 05:10:28 pm
That totally shouldn't be the case...Toady did not hardcore anything >.<. It's just a palm which is mapped to the "gamma" symbol.
I feel like maybe toady's hardcoding
trees under certain conditions or something.
All the tree definitions should be just like before...
Post by: duckInferno on November 15, 2010, 05:29:41 pm
You probably didn't run save game updater.Didn't even know it was needed... fixed it all up, thanks :D
Post by: Antonater on November 15, 2010, 06:47:52 pm
Any way to fix this?
Post by: Aklyon on November 15, 2010, 06:57:40 pm
Post by: Ironhand on November 15, 2010, 08:12:15 pm
Yeah, sorry about that. That is my fault.
You should gen a new world for all the new night creature stuff anyway. = P
If you want to know what the problem is,
I forgot to include the words for "llama" in human, dwarvish, goblin, and elvish.
They were just the words for "mountain-lord" from the respective language.
I'll put them back in later... sorry again.
Post by: dennislp3 on November 16, 2010, 01:07:18 am
Ooooh...
Yeah, sorry about that. That is my fault.
You should gen a new world for all the new night creature stuff anyway. = P
If you want to know what the problem is,
I forgot to include the words for "llama" in human, dwarvish, goblin, and elvish.
They were just the words for "mountain-lord" from the respective language.
I'll put them back in later... sorry again.
sorry?...SORRY? there is no excuse for such a crime!!!....
ermmm....I meant its all good we all make lil mistakes time to time :P
Post by: Antonater on November 16, 2010, 11:41:07 am
yo'k jokely then
Post by: Dragonchampion on November 16, 2010, 04:10:14 pm
This issue persists even when I use the language_elf/human/dwarf/goblin files from mayday's and make a new world.
I am sorry if this issue has been mentioned before, but 203 pages is hard to wade through. :-\
Post by: gtmattz on November 16, 2010, 07:40:03 pm
The reason this thread is 200+ pages long IS BECAUSE OF POSTS LIKE YOURS...
Post by: nenjin on November 16, 2010, 07:45:51 pm
Post by: Dragonchampion on November 16, 2010, 09:10:48 pm
It is not an issue specific to this tileset, any flavor of DF set to use true type fonts exhibits this behavior.
The reason this thread is 200+ pages long IS BECAUSE OF POSTS LIKE YOURS...
I'm sorry... :'(
I really am; I tried to read it but it eventually just... overwhelmed me...
Post by: Aklyon on November 16, 2010, 09:31:45 pm
You don't need to read everything, but at least look at the last few pages.
Post by: forsaken1111 on November 17, 2010, 12:07:24 am
Where is the 31.18 version?
/obligatory/
Additional: I did try porting directly from .17 to .18. Got strange errors, such as olivine showing up as boxes. A raw diff shows that a bunch of tiles seem to be changed.
Post by: RadGH on November 17, 2010, 02:07:04 am
Can you upload a screenshot of in-game to the first post for me and all of your texture pack fans? Shouldn't be difficult or take much of your time. thx
Post by: forsaken1111 on November 17, 2010, 02:11:08 am
Post by: Greendogo on November 17, 2010, 11:54:46 am
...
The reason this thread is 200+ pages long IS BECAUSE OF POSTS LIKE YOURS...
Advice for new people:
You don't need to read everything, but at least look at the last few pages.
Advice for old people:
Chill the Elf out.
Post by: Ironhand on November 17, 2010, 02:14:53 pm
Engaging compilation mode....
Post by: Ironhand on November 17, 2010, 02:54:24 pm
As an extra special gift on this one, from me to you...
- There is once again a word in every language for "llama".
(and now it makes sense. Most mean "mountain king")
- All accents and special characters have been removed.
(hermano made that ridiculously easy. I love him)
Cheers all!
Post by: Aklyon on November 17, 2010, 02:58:30 pm
Post by: Benata on November 17, 2010, 03:20:11 pm
Post by: Aklyon on November 17, 2010, 03:22:50 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
(you should update the current version in the OP, too still says .31.16)
Post by: Ironhand on November 17, 2010, 05:36:36 pm
Post by: Savaril on November 17, 2010, 10:56:16 pm
I tried turning TTF support off but that just made it worse.
Post by: Lehti on November 18, 2010, 07:04:34 am
My real question is, does the tileset modify anything other than adding in llamas? Is there a version without the modifications? If not, how would I go about removing them?
Post by: Wavecutter on November 18, 2010, 10:26:16 am
Post by: Slye_Fox on November 18, 2010, 06:37:27 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on November 18, 2010, 06:50:51 pm
Tada! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
As an extra special gift on this one, from me to you...
- There is once again a word in every language for "llama".
(and now it makes sense. Most mean "mountain king")
- All accents and special characters have been removed.
(hermano made that ridiculously easy. I love him)
Cheers all!
Then why is everything still messed up...it looks more messed up then it did before...(from a fresh download default setting)
Post by: Theodolus on November 18, 2010, 07:29:36 pm
Then why is everything still messed up...it looks more messed up then it did before...(from a fresh download default setting)
Because the newest tile set replaces a number of the letters with more symbols. This was done in anticipation of all font being replaced with TTF support. Unfortunately it wasn't fully implemented from the start, so we have symbols intruding on our text in some places.
If you want to get rid of that you can revert back to an older version of the tileset save off the picture in the spoiler (first one I could find without uploading one, and should be relatively recent). You'll need to name it ironhand.png and replace the existing file in your art folder.
If you want to try and see how the animation of the water render, here is the 0.48 tileset with the 2 water tiles setup :Of course, then some in game items will be replaced with letters, such as some parts of certain workshops and whatnot. But at least your text won't be covered in wells and various other stuff. I haven't tried this myself so if they shuffled around tiles things may be confusing in other ways as well, but I think it will be okay for the most part. Or you can just take the text tiles off of the above set and merge them into the new tileset.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: shibdib on November 18, 2010, 08:20:22 pm
I'm aware of the whole TTF issue, but are you sure there isn't any way to make it so my sentences aren't covered in wells? At least until TTF is properly implemented.
I tried turning TTF support off but that just made it worse.
it works fine, make sure ur set to 2D mode
Post by: xDarkz on November 21, 2010, 10:16:01 pm
Keep up at the great work Ironhand and Wormslayer.
Still my favorite tileset by far!
Post by: Savaril on November 22, 2010, 03:11:34 am
I'm aware of the whole TTF issue, but are you sure there isn't any way to make it so my sentences aren't covered in wells? At least until TTF is properly implemented.
I tried turning TTF support off but that just made it worse.
it works fine, make sure ur set to 2D mode
It doesn't, and yes I'm set to 2D mode. TTF support isn't properly implemented yet- there are text screens without it, meaning there are text screens covered in wells and such.
Post by: Harmonica on November 22, 2010, 03:41:40 am
Post by: gtmattz on November 22, 2010, 12:48:03 pm
I'm aware of the whole TTF issue, but are you sure there isn't any way to make it so my sentences aren't covered in wells? At least until TTF is properly implemented.
I tried turning TTF support off but that just made it worse.
it works fine, make sure ur set to 2D mode
It doesn't, and yes I'm set to 2D mode. TTF support isn't properly implemented yet- there are text screens without it, meaning there are text screens covered in wells and such.
This is because toady has not converted all of the screens yet. We are simply stuck waiting here. Yeah Ironhand could go through and completely remove all the changes he has made in anticipation of full TTF support so that the pages without look right, or he can just leave it like it is and we can just remember that those wells in the text are actually o's and when the full support is finished we will all be happy. 8)
Post by: Vince on November 28, 2010, 07:07:30 am
You know, the thing I have been constantly bugging you about... :D
Post by: schussel on December 04, 2010, 05:56:39 pm
Post by: Ironhand on December 04, 2010, 07:20:05 pm
Sorry, that was my bad. I forgot to change it over in this version.
Post by: schussel on December 04, 2010, 07:41:52 pm
Try going into data/init/init.txt and change [SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS:NO] to [SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS:YES].
Sorry, that was my bad. I forgot to change it over in this version.
no biggy ... thanks alot for everything :D
Post by: dio1982 on December 05, 2010, 11:00:57 am
BUT:
The tileset is in my opinion way, way too dark. So edited the ironhand.png in Photoshop to increase brightness, but no matter what I do, transparency is being ignored by Dwarf Fortress. What am I doing wrong?
Post by: Ironhand on December 05, 2010, 01:43:33 pm
Make sure it's still got transparency when you're editing it
(like, make sure there's not another layer behind it or something)...
Post by: Nathiuz on December 07, 2010, 06:37:29 pm
I may have missed something obvious, but I read back a good 10 pages incase I missed it.
Trees are showing up as "r", or a different letter. Shrugs show up as "t", "l", some other letter, or these strange gradient blocks.
EDIT: Nevermind, I got it. Such are the hazards of smashing two mods together.
Post by: Harmonica on December 08, 2010, 08:25:30 am
Post by: Silophant on December 08, 2010, 10:55:14 am
Post by: gtmattz on December 08, 2010, 12:16:46 pm
Is there really any reason to use newer versions yet?
For me the reason is the fancy swirly water effects, I dont care about a few minor problems with text on a few screens, I have no trouble reading that well icon as an 'o' 8)
Post by: Harmonica on December 08, 2010, 05:53:28 pm
Of course not, as long as you don't mind not having the new features. But in that case, why did you even switch from .40d?
Well obviously there's new features in 2010 DF! But the recent changelogs haven't really done much for me. Adventure Mode not being my 'thing', cool as it is.
Post by: Silophant on December 08, 2010, 08:37:40 pm
Post by: narhiril on December 09, 2010, 02:41:44 am
Try going into data/init/init.txt and change [SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS:NO] to [SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS:YES].
Sorry, that was my bad. I forgot to change it over in this version.
Thank you, this did the trick.
Post by: schussel on December 09, 2010, 05:38:22 am
Of course not, as long as you don't mind not having the new features. But in that case, why did you even switch from .40d?
Well obviously there's new features in 2010 DF! But the recent changelogs haven't really done much for me. Adventure Mode not being my 'thing', cool as it is.
stop being a dick to others and if you dont like the newest versions dont install them :P
Post by: Robsoie on December 09, 2010, 01:57:21 pm
This way you can use a 0.48 tileset into 0.49x
Post by: Trouserman on December 09, 2010, 02:54:11 pm
Of course not, as long as you don't mind not having the new features. But in that case, why did you even switch from .40d?
Well obviously there's new features in 2010 DF! But the recent changelogs haven't really done much for me. Adventure Mode not being my 'thing', cool as it is.
stop being a dick to others and if you dont like the newest versions dont install them :P
He was asking if there was anything worth upgrading for, which he may have missed among the changes that weren't interesting to him. That's perfectly reasonable. Chill out for a few minutes to think about it the next time you feel like calling someone a dick.
Post by: Harmonica on December 09, 2010, 06:17:07 pm
Of course not, as long as you don't mind not having the new features. But in that case, why did you even switch from .40d?
Well obviously there's new features in 2010 DF! But the recent changelogs haven't really done much for me. Adventure Mode not being my 'thing', cool as it is.
stop being a dick to others and if you dont like the newest versions dont install them :P
Wow, the legendary hospitality of the DF forum. Thanks random poster.
Post by: Gervasi on December 12, 2010, 08:57:20 am
Lovely Work, heres my go on girls (using your dwarves as a draft)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/24etdap.png)
i´m shure you´ll do a hundred times better though :P
Post by: Xzalander on December 12, 2010, 08:04:46 pm
There is one thing that bothers me:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Red Box: Finished and Positioned/Constructed Doors
Green Box: Finished and Planned Doors, yet to receive construction.
Is it intended to be like this? It would make more sense to me if Red and Green had their images swapped over, not meaning to be too picky but I like my doors to look like doors.
If you could inform me on how to even possibly switch this around myself it would be great.
Post by: Harmonica on December 13, 2010, 11:53:13 pm
There is one thing that bothers me:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That looks like an outdated set to me. I remember seeing those kind of images for doors on older versions. I'm using the relatively ancient 0.46 and I see doors for everything (the only problem being the metal doors not looking like metal doors, but that's a Toady bug not Ironhand).
Post by: Patchouli on December 14, 2010, 12:04:44 am
IIRC, wood doors use the same tile as walls, and there's nothing you can really do about it.
Post by: risinglegend on December 14, 2010, 12:53:51 am
Post by: Xzalander on December 14, 2010, 11:07:14 am
What material are the doors made out of?
IIRC, wood doors use the same tile as walls, and there's nothing you can really do about it.
Wood so that must be it.
Shame. I love pissing off the elves as they walk through my new Grand Doors made of 20 Century old Oak.
Post by: Antonater on December 14, 2010, 12:07:33 pm
Any particular reason it was changed?
Post by: Musashi on December 14, 2010, 06:13:42 pm
Whats with the REALLY dark water and magma now, its so darn annoying, i cant tell what level its at.Go in the d_init.txt file in the data folder, and you'll see the option to show water level as a number (must be SHOW_FLOW or something). It was inadvertently turned off for this version, so no, no particular reason.
Any particular reason it was changed?
Post by: Antonater on December 14, 2010, 07:11:23 pm
they used to be very bright now theyre quite dark.
Is this what you mean?
Post by: Musashi on December 15, 2010, 10:19:31 am
i think you misunderstand, i mean the brightness of the tiles. not anything to do with numbers.Well, before I turned [SHOW_FLOW_WHATEVER] back on, all water tiles were looking the same no matter their actual content, and therefore were dark. Same for magma. After I fixed it, my eyes hurt from how bright the water tiles had become in comparison. And no, despite what the description of the option may tell you, in that graphic pack, the red and blue numbers that tell you how deep magma/water is in vanilla ARE replaced by their corresponding tile.
they used to be very bright now theyre quite dark.
Is this what you mean?
Unless you mean something else completely, in which case I apologize and would like a screenshot to understand what's your actual problem.
Post by: Ironhand on December 15, 2010, 10:19:57 am
It actually is still related to the numbers.
I will fix it along with everything else...
in the
Cheerily,
Heartily,
Ridiculously
Intense,
Splendidly
Thrilling,
Monumentally
Amazingly
Spectacular
package that I'm going to release in a week or so!
In fact, I am just sitting down right now to work on it.
I think I am definitely going to get my hands on some critters,
and I'll be doing some general remapping and coloring and stuff.
But I have a little bit of extra time...
So, have you all been good little dwarfs this year?
What do you want from old Ironhand?
Post by: Slye_Fox on December 15, 2010, 10:30:57 am
Post by: Ironhand on December 15, 2010, 10:48:10 am
Or do you mean that I should stick with certain tiles for ore and the rest for stone?
Or do you mean that you want, for example, a diluted white square around tiles to indicate that they're ore?
Post by: Slye_Fox on December 15, 2010, 11:20:27 am
A little symbol on the wall so it's easier to tell.
So... new icon?
Post by: Vince on December 15, 2010, 01:08:36 pm
Like in Phoebus' set.
Post by: Aklyon on December 15, 2010, 01:10:57 pm
Post by: Vince on December 15, 2010, 01:20:54 pm
Nah, Id say stick with one icon for ore, or maybe two.Three and we have a deal. ;D
Post by: forsaken1111 on December 15, 2010, 05:05:24 pm
Post by: Igfig on December 15, 2010, 05:51:11 pm
Maybe if ores had high contrast tiles and regular rocks had low? That would make the differences really obvious, but in a subtle way. You could do it by keeping some tiles for ore and others for stone, but you could also do it just by setting mineral colours so that ores have one light and one dark, whereas stones have two lights or two darks.
If you do go the "separate tiles" route, the tiles I'd like to see:
- Iron ore / adamantine
- Precious ores (value 30+)
- Semiprecious ores (value 3+), although this one isn't too important
- Other ores (value 2)
Dedicated tiles for obsidian/flux/coal/gypsum/etc. would be nice too, but you could just shuffle around some existing tiles for that instead of making new ones.
Post by: Aklyon on December 15, 2010, 05:57:22 pm
Post by: Silophant on December 15, 2010, 06:19:06 pm
Post by: Vince on December 15, 2010, 07:30:21 pm
It don't have to be icons - little pebbles of ore increasing in size would be nice, for example.
So it looks realistic, but you can differentiate the valuable from the worthless ore deposits more easily.
Post by: Aklyon on December 15, 2010, 07:31:06 pm
Post by: Slye_Fox on December 15, 2010, 08:13:30 pm
I mentioned Phoebus' set because he has different tiles for ore and stone/soil.
I wasn't saying a design breaking icon should be added, just that ore should be easier to tell apart from other stuff.
Post by: forsaken1111 on December 15, 2010, 08:14:45 pm
Post by: Ironhand on December 16, 2010, 09:28:55 am
Okay, I'll see if I can't come up with something that satisfies everybody.
Post by: Elu on December 16, 2010, 11:11:38 am
i think it's kind of an aesthetics vs. functionality deal, while the Phoebu's-icon style is great when deciding in a glance where to mine, the Ironhand's one allow a more eye-pleasing blending between the various type of ore/stone/whatever.
so i second
Maybe if ores had high contrast tiles and regular rocks had low? That would make the differences really obvious, but in a subtle way. You could do it by keeping some tiles for ore and others for stone, but you could also do it just by setting mineral colours so that ores have one light and one dark, whereas stones have two lights or two darks.
Dedicated tiles for obsidian/flux/coal/gypsum/etc. would be nice too, but you could just shuffle around some existing tiles for that instead of making new ones.
if you want differentiate ores from rock.
my opinion however is that your is the most pleasant pack to see as it is now, so just add detail or polish imperfection, without changing the style...
Post by: DeltaRomeo on December 16, 2010, 09:46:48 pm
http://img819.imageshack.us/i/72680806.jpg/
Any suggestions?
Post by: Aklyon on December 16, 2010, 09:50:09 pm
Post by: DeltaRomeo on December 16, 2010, 09:57:10 pm
have you modded anything?No, I haven't changed anything, just extracted it and created a new world.
Post by: Aklyon on December 16, 2010, 10:04:16 pm
Code: (Look in init.txt, something like this) [Select]
[GRAPHICS:YES]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:800]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:600]
[GRAPHICS_FONT:ironhand.png]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:ironhand.png]
[GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE:YES]
Post by: DeltaRomeo on December 16, 2010, 10:10:24 pm
EDIT: Here's my init file
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[SOUND:YES]
[VOLUME:255]
[INTRO:NO]
[WINDOWED:YES]
[WINDOWEDX:80]
[WINDOWEDY:25]
[FONT:curses_640x300.png]
[RESIZABLE:YES]
[FULLSCREENX:0]
[FULLSCREENY:0]
[FULLFONT:ironhand.png]
[BLACK_SPACE:YES]
[GRAPHICS:YES]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDX:0]
[GRAPHICS_WINDOWEDY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FONT:ironhand.png]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENX:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLSCREENY:0]
[GRAPHICS_FULLFONT:ironhand.png]
[GRAPHICS_BLACK_SPACE:YES]
[PRINT_MODE:2D]
Mode examples:
PRINT_MODE:2D
PRINT_MODE:TEXT
PRINT_MODE:FRAME_BUFFER
PRINT_MODE:PARTIAL:0
[SINGLE_BUFFER:NO]
[TRUETYPE:YES]
[TOPMOST:NO]
[FPS:NO]
[FPS_CAP:100]
[G_FPS_CAP:50]
[ARB_SYNC:NO]
[VSYNC:NO]
[TEXTURE_PARAM:LINEAR]
[PRIORITY:NORMAL]
And then other non-important stuff
Post by: Aklyon on December 16, 2010, 10:15:06 pm
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graphics_dwarves
[OBJECT:GRAPHICS]
[TILE_PAGE:DWARVES]
[FILE:dwarves.png]
[TILE_DIM:18:18]
[PAGE_DIM:16:20]
Post by: DeltaRomeo on December 16, 2010, 10:17:14 pm
Post by: Aklyon on December 16, 2010, 10:19:34 pm
Post by: DeltaRomeo on December 16, 2010, 10:34:20 pm
Post by: Vince on December 17, 2010, 04:35:46 am
This was caused by a misconfiguration in the /graphics folder, solvable with the savegame updater or the fix Aklyon described here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg1806725#msg1806725)
The tileset was ok, the raws, too - but the creature and dwarf tiles were still the old ones, because the world was generated before the complete installation of the set.
Post by: beridel on December 17, 2010, 05:16:21 am
So to start from the beginning, I'm on x64 Arch Linux and I have the dwarffortress package from multilib installed. I then downloaded Ironhand's pack (the latest version, .495 I believe) and just unzipped all of it into the folder, of course overwriting the init from the vanilla installation and using Ironhand's init. I then generate a large region and embark and everything seems peachy. However, after several sessions, I'll eventually run into the problem (this can happen the first time after I come back to a new game, or the fifth time, it eventually happens every time I've made a new game). The problem is that whenever I use 'k' to look around, it crashes with a segmentation fault tell me that there is a texture that can't be found (can't remember the exact wording), I can get it for you guys if you really need it. This also happens when I try and build a workshop, or if I sometimes try and use 'q' to manage a workshop (that was already built before this starts). Basically any variety of actions can cause a crash and it almost always says missing texture or something like that.
The only way it seems I can fix this is if I reinstall the multilib dwarffortress vanilla package and then re-install Ironhand's graphics pack. But then the same problem crops up of course some time afterwards.
So not quite sure what to do and any help would be appreciated!
Post by: therahedwig on December 17, 2010, 10:47:47 am
Post by: Ironhand on December 17, 2010, 02:53:55 pm
Thanks for taking care of this, guys.
Anyway, have you guys seen the new updates?
EGGS! And woolly critters! I am totally excited.
Maybe llamas will get added for real! = P
Anyway, I'm gonna go ahead and wait for that release,
even if it means it's a little while after Christmas.
I want to include the new stuff in the pack,
since everything still works as of right now.
So far, I've played around with the dwarves a bit.
In this next pack, they will all be different, even if it's just minor differences.
It might not be perfectly clear or decisive yet, but it'll look a lot more interesting.
I'm also going to do a few critters (at least the new ones. Does anybody know what they are? I'm guessing chickens and sheep...)
Post by: Sinnyil on December 18, 2010, 03:40:48 am
Of course, that means I really have no idea what I'm doing. I downloaded the upgrade pack and ran the batch file and everything. It seems ok except for the text. I don't know if its supposed to be like this because its a work in progress or if I messed up the upgrade or if maybe there's something that I haven't even thought could go wrong going wrong here (like alien intervention).
Anywho, screenshot.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: ungulateman on December 18, 2010, 04:35:09 am
It's come up a lot. Please don't post it again. :v
Post by: forsaken1111 on December 18, 2010, 05:34:02 am
Post by: Aklyon on December 18, 2010, 08:27:17 am
It's TrueType Font again. No, it's not Ironhand's fault. No, we can't fix it until Toady or Baughn does.
It's come up a lot. Please don't post it again. :v
Post by: forsaken1111 on December 18, 2010, 08:27:51 am
Post by: konjad on December 18, 2010, 09:27:00 am
I don't get it. Why are there wells? Can I drink from them?
yes
Post by: forsaken1111 on December 18, 2010, 09:29:49 am
-begins licking his monitor-I don't get it. Why are there wells? Can I drink from them?
yes
Post by: Elu on December 18, 2010, 01:50:59 pm
for the sake of Armok, someone stop him!
he's drinking WATER!!!
Post by: Aklyon on December 18, 2010, 02:53:37 pm
NO!Well, then we must be out of booze!
for the sake of Armok, someone stop him!
he's drinking WATER!!!
Go make some, you! We must save him fastly!
Post by: Sinnyil on December 18, 2010, 05:33:14 pm
It's TrueType Font again. No, it's not Ironhand's fault. No, we can't fix it until Toady or Baughn does.
It's come up a lot. Please don't post it again. :v
Its pretty easy to answer a question without being a jerk! There's a lot of thread here and it was a simple question. Again, given that this was my first experience with any sort of graphics pack, I had literally no idea what could be causing it.
Ironhand, as a suggestion could you put something about this in the initial post? Then people will be less likely to post about it, as reading 210 pages of a thread to get the answer to a very simple question seems sort of onerous.
Post by: forsaken1111 on December 18, 2010, 08:07:42 pm
Post by: Trouserman on December 18, 2010, 08:37:54 pm
Its pretty easy to answer a question without being a jerk!
Yeah, but it's even easier to be a jerk!
Post by: ungulateman on December 18, 2010, 08:48:04 pm
We just get the question a lot, so some people react negatively. Those people are awful, socially inept human beings.
I don't even see how I was being a jerk. :v
Post by: Trouserman on December 19, 2010, 12:01:06 am
I don't even see how I was being a jerk. :v
To be fair, I don't think you were really being a jerk. You did come off cross and unfriendly. I know I didn't like the tone I perceived in your post. The repeated pattern of sentences beginning in "No," despite not addressing questions actually in the post you were responding to are partly to blame. "Please don't post it again" carries the implicit suggestion that future posters should be familiar with the entire history of the thread, putting the blame on them for asking what is really a pretty reasonable question. Sinnyil's suggestion to put something about it at the start is a good one. An FAQ section is quite appropriate when a topic spans thousands of posts, such as this one.
Post by: Sinnyil on December 19, 2010, 12:24:37 am
Its just this thread is huge, and the tileset is fantastic, and a simple question like the one I had could possibly be greeted with less scorn =\.
But really. The tileset is amazing. Amazing!
Also, I'm really drunk.
Post by: beridel on December 19, 2010, 02:51:52 am
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I've tried to skim through all of this post, but its just really REALLY long, heh. I also posted something in the modding forum (because I imagine my problem stems from the graphics pack, since vanilla seems to work fine), but I never got an answer.
So to start from the beginning, I'm on x64 Arch Linux and I have the dwarffortress package from multilib installed. I then downloaded Ironhand's pack (the latest version, .495 I believe) and just unzipped all of it into the folder, of course overwriting the init from the vanilla installation and using Ironhand's init. I then generate a large region and embark and everything seems peachy. However, after several sessions, I'll eventually run into the problem (this can happen the first time after I come back to a new game, or the fifth time, it eventually happens every time I've made a new game). The problem is that whenever I use 'k' to look around, it crashes with a segmentation fault tell me that there is a texture that can't be found (can't remember the exact wording), I can get it for you guys if you really need it. This also happens when I try and build a workshop, or if I sometimes try and use 'q' to manage a workshop (that was already built before this starts). Basically any variety of actions can cause a crash and it almost always says missing texture or something like that.
The only way it seems I can fix this is if I reinstall the multilib dwarffortress vanilla package and then re-install Ironhand's graphics pack. But then the same problem crops up of course some time afterwards.
So not quite sure what to do and any help would be appreciated!
Also, for what it matters, I've changed the keybindings and so the interface.txt isn't really out of the box, but I imagine that shouldn't change anything.
Post by: connard on December 22, 2010, 07:51:09 am
I know there's a problem with fonts in descriptions, but there's also a problem on truncated dwarf names in the users lists, it's because of special chars like ö,ê, etc. Do you know how to fix that ?
Post by: rephikul on December 22, 2010, 08:07:29 am
Post by: connard on December 22, 2010, 08:40:37 am
Post by: rephikul on December 22, 2010, 09:15:17 am
Thanks for the answer. But I have no idea of what you are saying! :-XWell there are 2 ways to render text, one is using the artset, the same one used to draw ground and water and stuff. The newer way is to use the truetype font. Since there are many extended characters used in the artset to visualize other objects it can get confusing. So there're 2 ways, one is to convert the characters to plain ASCII characters which's properly rendered with just the art set, the second way is to tell the game to render with truetype font. Ironhand assume the latter so it's more elaborate on artset use then some other tilesets like say, phoebus or mayday.
To make sure your game is rendering using provided tileset, go to data\init\init.txt, scroll down and make sure it read [PRINT_MODE:2D] and [TRUETYPE:YES] somewhere. Now go to data\art and make sure there's a file called font.ttf there.
It should look like this when properly configured:
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/2853/menuht.png)
Post by: connard on December 22, 2010, 11:38:46 am
For example: Alät created a masterpiece; I just get: Al
Edit: I checked all you said and it is ok.
Look how it is:
(http://www.mountfanblade.com//ftp/pics/news/pics1/dffont.gif)
Post by: rephikul on December 22, 2010, 11:53:15 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Go to raw\objects\language_DWARF.txt and see if the words have special characters. Then compare this raw with the one in your save folder at data\save. You probably misplaced ironhand's raw somewhere...
Post by: connard on December 22, 2010, 12:58:49 pm
Post by: Ironhand on December 22, 2010, 01:00:53 pm
There are like wells and things instead of letters. What should I do? It looks bad!
Seriously, though, I added the special characters back in a couple versions ago.
Because I thought the truetype would cover them.
But I was wrong.
Hopefully it will get fixed soon...
Also, I totally haven't gotten anything done in a couple days.
I'm sitting around with a cold, and I'm having trouble getting inspired to sprite.
So everybody tell me one animal or monster that I haven't done yet that you want.
I'll see how many of them I can get to before the next release.
Post by: Theodolus on December 22, 2010, 05:04:48 pm
Above all, though, get better, and Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, etc!
Post by: connard on December 22, 2010, 07:55:28 pm
About the question that everyone is asking (my problem is not related to this however, it worked on your previous versions), maybe you should show a screenshot on first post with a "warning, you will get these in text descriptions, but the rest of the game is way way better with real icons". That would have avoided all the same question :)
Post by: MiniMacker on December 22, 2010, 08:06:51 pm
You can't remove them! They are the niche of your pack! WUAGH!
Post by: Igfig on December 22, 2010, 10:27:42 pm
My vote is for Unicorn, so we can all see the horror on their faces as we harvest them for their bones! Also, there is the added benefit of doing tile magic on them and turning them into a generic horse. :)
Oh wow, that just made me realize something. There's a whole world of Tile Magic we've been neglecting: graphics tiles. If you change AS_IS in a creature's graphics token to ADD_COLOR, it applies the colours defined in the creature's raws to the graphics tile instead of the ASCII tile. You could totally do that unicorn thing, or, say, make black panthers visually distinct from regular leopards and jaguars. All your tile magic tricks, but with an unlimited number of tiles.
(That said, there already are graphics for unicorns.)
Post by: therahedwig on December 23, 2010, 09:50:20 am
If we want a black panther be different from a leopard, it can just be completely drawn differently.
Tilemagic is just to deal with the limited amount of tiles we have within the ascii set. Ideally(or perhaps not, it is a lot of work) we wouldn't have a limited amount of tiles, allowing us to make every tree look visually distinct, every ore and mineral look different and have colouring that doesn't necessarily go from base colour to black, but perhaps base colour, to slightly reddish darker colour to black.
It would be way too much work though, stonesense allows for each freaking tile to be visually distinct, but nobody has actually had the courage to make a darker variation on the stonesense standard, mostly because it would be hard. (I'm trying to take a stab at it, but right now I first need stonesense to do happy funtimes with the new df)
Post by: Wavecutter on December 23, 2010, 10:32:36 am
Post by: Rose on December 23, 2010, 10:43:12 am
Post by: Tjalling on December 26, 2010, 09:15:05 pm
Post by: connard on December 27, 2010, 12:52:42 pm
Post by: Myrmec on December 27, 2010, 02:01:25 pm
Post by: Ironhand on December 27, 2010, 02:08:51 pm
Check two things for me:
First, make sure your init.txt file says "GRAPHICS:YES",
and second, make sure you've updated your savegame(s).
As far as megabeast graphics go, they're still hardcoded for now...
Post by: Myrmec on December 27, 2010, 02:11:37 pm
I think i figured it out
Post by: Ironhand on December 27, 2010, 02:25:36 pm
So, I wish I knew what new animals Toady's including,
so that I could start drawing them for my next release...
Does anybody know if he's released a list of the new critters?
Post by: Aklyon on December 27, 2010, 02:30:52 pm
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If you are looking for the giraffe, rhinoceros or any of a number of domestic animals, they are already in the game for next time!Giraffe, rhino
Devlog:
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Your dwarves can shear sheep and other woolly beasts now. There are sixteen new domestic animals. Eggs, vegetable oil and clay upcoming.Probably sheep.
Post by: Ironhand on December 27, 2010, 03:44:32 pm
Thanks.
Post by: Kire93 on December 27, 2010, 09:49:38 pm
Post by: sir_laser on January 02, 2011, 03:16:34 am
I'm using the newest version of Ironhand, and when I set SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS to YES in d_init, the water and magma do not show depth. Is there anything I can do to change this?
Thank you, and thank you Ironhand!
Post by: rephikul on January 02, 2011, 07:29:06 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 02, 2011, 07:38:09 am
Post by: Rex_Nex on January 02, 2011, 02:13:45 pm
Post by: sir_laser on January 02, 2011, 03:13:06 pm
Does this issue go back to the TTF support that has yet to be implanted?
Post by: sir_laser on January 02, 2011, 03:50:46 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 02, 2011, 06:03:17 pm
Any time now that you see picture or a smear where a letter or number should be,
that is a problem with TTF support. Eventually, all characters will be drawn from a .ttf.
I made some basic updates, and fiddled around with dwarves a little bit.
Before I release another package, I will make:
-bogeymen
-ghosts
-night creatures
-sheep, chickens, and all those other new domestics
This means that I am pretty much waiting until Toady gives us another official release.
Because I don't know what all new animals I am going to have to make.
Next week I am headed back to school, so I'll be settling in there,
but whenever that comes out I will sit down and get some spriting done.
I hope you all had a delightful Christmas and New Years Day.
Also, has anyone seen Wormslayer?
Post by: Vince on January 03, 2011, 03:48:55 am
I am so thrilled for the new stuff, especially the ghosts and domestics.
A happy new year to all of you, too!
Post by: Antonater on January 04, 2011, 05:00:20 pm
only thing i can think of is some kind of coverng(although tons of dwarfves are covered in stuff and dont flash), never bothered to ask before as it has no impact in game, its just kinda there. any particular reason?
Post by: therahedwig on January 04, 2011, 05:01:42 pm
since the beginning of using dwarf fortress, for somone reason certain dwarfves of mine will randomly start flashing gey and continue to forever, apparently not showing anything to do with their status. for instance in my current 7 year fortress about 6 of my 200 dwarrfves are constantly flashing grey, all kinda random and not related.
only thing i can think of is some kind of coverng(although tons of dwarfves are covered in stuff and dont flash), never bothered to ask before as it has no impact in game, its just kinda there. any particular reason?
Are they legendary in any skill? Because that's how the game shows that...
Post by: Antonater on January 04, 2011, 05:04:02 pm
ah, probaly. didnt know that.since the beginning of using dwarf fortress, for somone reason certain dwarfves of mine will randomly start flashing gey and continue to forever, apparently not showing anything to do with their status. for instance in my current 7 year fortress about 6 of my 200 dwarrfves are constantly flashing grey, all kinda random and not related.
only thing i can think of is some kind of coverng(although tons of dwarfves are covered in stuff and dont flash), never bothered to ask before as it has no impact in game, its just kinda there. any particular reason?
Are they legendary in any skill? Because that's how the game shows that...
seems a bit silly is it important i know that i have 8 flashing growers at all times?
also is that any skill or just certain ones? cause i definatley have some legendaries that arent flashing, none of my legendary soldiers are.
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 04, 2011, 06:08:25 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on January 04, 2011, 09:47:29 pm
I just got a bit burned out and took a break to craft some mines (http://i.imgur.com/4j6mi.jpg) while DF had it's graphics capabilities enhanced... How is that going now Baughn is a code-slave for teh googles?
I need to update my DF and familiarise myself with the state of affairs!
Post by: Aklyon on January 04, 2011, 09:49:37 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on January 04, 2011, 09:55:32 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
That is the final quad of "dome3"'s base during excavation. When completed it will be a glass dome 304 blocks across, extending from the bedrock to the z-limit. Someone estimated about 4.5 million blocks were removed by hand with no admin help :P
Post by: Aklyon on January 04, 2011, 09:58:11 pm
I'd thought well known places like reddit would get greifed to heck and back.
Congrats to them.
Post by: Ironhand on January 05, 2011, 02:09:35 pm
No pressure, I was just making sure you were still around.
Before the next release, I am going to make some animals.
Do you want to maybe play with the stone vs. ore problem?
Vince is still complaining about having more distinguishable ore.
Or not. Totally up to you.
Also, HOLY CRAP.
That is awesome.
Post by: Thundrim on January 05, 2011, 02:24:31 pm
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Post by: WormSlayer on January 05, 2011, 02:33:28 pm
I did see the new animals list and I hope you find some time to work on the poor, neglected dwarves too! :P
For the next release, maybe we should do two versions, with and without sprite ascii? At least until the various problems in that area are fixed?
Did the whole "doing cool stuff with shaders" thing get anywhere while I was away digging holes?
Edit: I was just looking at screenshot of the day: MUST CHANGE "n" and "V"! O.o
Post by: Aklyon on January 05, 2011, 02:45:40 pm
also, noticed a typo in the OP while going back to check the picture:
Quote from: Ironhand, OP
Current version: 11.17.10: 0.495 for DF 0.31.18
-snip-
next version: 0.492!
Post by: Igfig on January 05, 2011, 04:11:07 pm
Also on the world map, I don't suppose you could make small n and big V look more like hills and badlands, respectively? Everything else blends in nicely.
The n and V on th Mapare *so* getting changed thoughhave now been banished! :)
(http://i.imgur.com/2yITf.png)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: WormSlayer on January 05, 2011, 05:17:04 pm
So I'm starting up a new fort and my fisherdwarf has found "raw brook lamprey" that look like demons? O.o
(http://i.imgur.com/yY7Co.png)
Post by: nenjin on January 05, 2011, 05:30:11 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/oT9DX.jpg)
In a dwarf's mind, that could easily be demonic.
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 05, 2011, 05:33:43 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 05, 2011, 07:02:19 pm
Think of the demon's eyes as the lower toothy bits,
and the demon's horns are the upper toothy bits... Maybe?
Post by: sir_laser on January 05, 2011, 11:00:46 pm
Is it possible to change the brook lamprey tile to not induce cardiac arrests? Thank you very much.
Post by: WormSlayer on January 05, 2011, 11:47:53 pm
Speaking of rivers, I quite like combo swirly water and numbers?
Also Back to colourful ore:
(http://i.imgur.com/hfQn3.png)
Post by: Aklyon on January 05, 2011, 11:55:01 pm
Post by: sir_laser on January 06, 2011, 12:19:48 am
Post by: Vince on January 06, 2011, 04:04:51 am
Yeah my reaction was also "argh! demons attacking from the river!" :P
Speaking of rivers, I quite like combo swirly water and numbers?
Also Back to colourful ore:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Woah! That looks nice! :D
And thanks for supporting my nagging ;D
Although I think I have to clarify that my main problem are the ore tiles still inside the walls.
Having a visual indication of value (not using an icon) -that would be great.
Post by: Artificer on January 06, 2011, 06:36:54 am
Please keep it up!
p.s. can we switch smoothed Kimberlite to retain its blue colour please? Right now it turns from sexy blue to a dull light grey.
Post by: Iceco on January 06, 2011, 09:32:28 am
Just want to say that apart from having to save my game and switch back to 2D for TTF every time I need to trade (=P not really your fault you got overeager) Ironhand's graphics are always the best!Unless I am mistaking, it also looses its blue colour as (unsmoothed) floor and loose rock. It looks identical to the gabbro.
Please keep it up!
p.s. can we switch smoothed Kimberlite to retain its blue colour please? Right now it turns from sexy blue to a dull light grey.
Post by: Aklyon on January 06, 2011, 10:50:18 am
Post by: Vince on January 06, 2011, 12:35:24 pm
Adding a visual value indicator will just bring up that whole debate again.A visual value indicator does not have to be an icon.
It can be integrated into a natural look, like it's already done with the gems.
No one complains about the gems...
I'm sorry that I'm such a one-trick pony here. ;D
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2590/ore.png)
Without this, I'm at a loss when it comes to quickly analyzing an embark position or a new tunnel.
Valuable gems? I can see an an instant if it's ok do dig 'em and make my tunnel a bit curvy out or not and keep it straight.
Ores? Check the wiki, if it's not something like platinum or gold. It's tedious.
Post by: WormSlayer on January 06, 2011, 01:23:56 pm
the grayish teal rock seems really out of place in that water.
It does, but it's one of those things we cant do anything about :(
Just want to say that apart from having to save my game and switch back to 2D for TTF every time I need to trade (=P not really your fault you got overeager) Ironhand's graphics are always the best!
Please keep it up!
p.s. can we switch smoothed Kimberlite to retain its blue colour please? Right now it turns from sexy blue to a dull light grey.
Until such time as TTF works seamlessly, I think we will be either releasing two versions, or maybe a compromise where it's still readable...
Kimberlite is another one of those things... To get that particular shade of blue, we are mixing blue foreground with grey background colour. But floors use the background colour to indicate the smoothed/engraved status so you only see ... well grey apparently, though I would have expected it to use the blue foreground colour... :S
(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/2590/ore.png)
Without this, I'm at a loss when it comes to quickly analyzing an embark position or a new tunnel.
Valuable gems? I can see an an instant if it's ok do dig 'em and make my tunnel a bit curvy out or not and keep it straight.
Ores? Check the wiki, if it's not something like platinum or gold. It's tedious.
I totally understand what you mean, and I have to do the same thing myself sometimes. One problem with doing this in the past was the lack of tile slots, but more/more obvious ore tiles were something we discussed for our post-ttf plans. Then with all the talk of fancy shaders we were looking at totally changing the way we make the graphics but that doesnt seem to be really happening so I think were going to have to refocus and make plans based on what we can actually do, right now. :D
Also here is the tileset with no n's or V's and the water+numbers test :)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Theodolus on January 06, 2011, 02:59:32 pm
Post by: Lord Vetinari on January 06, 2011, 05:55:01 pm
I mean, it seems too abstract. In the past versions I was looking at a sea/lake/river. Now I feel like I'm looking at a Minesweeper window.
Post by: Aklyon on January 06, 2011, 05:57:44 pm
Post by: Igfig on January 06, 2011, 06:47:51 pm
the grayish teal rock seems really out of place in that water.It does, but it's one of those things we cant do anything about :(
What if you were to add partial transparency to the textured background of the stone and ore tiles? You'd get a bluish tinge, at least. (The same principle applies to creature graphics.)
Quote
You might be interested in the TILE_COLOR, BUILD_COLOR, and BASIC_COLOR tokens (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Material_definition_token). I think they do what you're looking for.can we switch smoothed Kimberlite to retain its blue colour please? Right now it turns from sexy blue to a dull light grey.Kimberlite is another one of those things... To get that particular shade of blue, we are mixing blue foreground with grey background colour. But floors use the background colour to indicate the smoothed/engraved status so you only see ... well grey apparently, though I would have expected it to use the blue foreground colour... :S
Lastly, I really like the idea of water with numbers... but I agree that it's a little too icon-y right now. I have no idea if this makes sense, but what if you reworked the swirling water to look like stylized versions of the number in question? Like 2 would have a zig-zag, 6 and 9 would be spirals, 8 would swirl twice... it'd still look like water, but if you look at an isolated tile it'll be recognizable as a number.
That, or just put the numbers in a darker shade behind the water. Like there's a big shadowy 4 lying on the bottom of the pool.
Post by: Ironhand on January 06, 2011, 08:43:12 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on January 06, 2011, 09:18:22 pm
I think I've fixed kimberlite now, will see if I can find any around my fort! Anyone know of other things with colour issues?
Post by: Vince on January 07, 2011, 06:01:39 am
I totally understand what you mean, and I have to do the same thing myself sometimes. One problem with doing this in the past was the lack of tile slots, but more/more obvious ore tiles were something we discussed for our post-ttf plans.We have ... roughly 14 tiles for stones in general now.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
We could have:
-Sand
-Soil
-Ore, 4 value levels, variant 1
-Ore, 4 value levels, variant 2
-4 tiles for stone
Makes 14.
I don't think it would be that much of a problem, especially when we can play with colors and tile magic on top of that. :)
Edit: Does my post sound snippy? I don't mean it that way :)
Post by: Ironhand on January 07, 2011, 10:27:02 am
You've been very patient about this for way too long.
It's high time I told Wormslayer to do something about it for me.
= P
Post by: Vince on January 07, 2011, 12:21:19 pm
Nah, don't worry about it.
You've been very patient about this for way too long.
It's high time I told Wormslayer to do something about it for me.
= P
(http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7357/1277760059515.jpg)
Post by: WormSlayer on January 07, 2011, 04:11:24 pm
Is one of your ore types to cover economic stone? Because my mental list is basically identical:
-Sand
-Soil
-4 layer types
-4 Economic types(Flux, Plaster, Coal, Obsidian)
-Ore with 4 or 5 value levels
And this is roughly the current system I believe? (IH did all that so I'm not too familiar :)
I'll see if I can figure something out that doesnt look crap :D
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 07, 2011, 04:14:21 pm
-4 Economic types(Flux, Plaster, Coal, Obsidian)I would kinda like this too.
Post by: Aklyon on January 07, 2011, 04:20:00 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on January 07, 2011, 05:22:28 pm
Mined Lignite should use the same boulder icon as Bituminous coal?
(http://i.imgur.com/1xklo.png)
Also the fruit tree I made should be used somewhere? :P
(http://i.imgur.com/YoHT3.png)
And this is what ores look like sorted by "value" as defined by the wiki:
The precious 250
Platinum 40
Aluminum 40
Gold 30
Silver 10
Limonite 8
Magnetite 8
Hematite 8
Galena 5
Tetrahedrite 3
Malachite 2
Sphalerite 2
Cassiterite 2
Copper 2
Garnierite 2
Bismuthinite 1
Post by: AirsBlue on January 07, 2011, 10:35:59 pm
I love Slate, and Shale (especially for roofs, and floors), so I was wondering if there are enough stones in-game that fracture similarly enough, that a slate/shale like icon could be made.
Also, IronHand, your graphics pack was so awesome I was pulled into the forum just so I could post in this thread XD
And +1 to the varied ore icons, and Economic icons.
Post by: WormSlayer on January 08, 2011, 12:28:50 am
Unfortunately his master fell in heroic battle during the recent Goblin attack and now old Ineth just roams forlornly around the spot where "Stoneface" died, only stopping to crush any invaders stupid enough to stray too close!
(http://i.imgur.com/89EKF.png)
DF is so awesome :D
Post by: Greendogo on January 08, 2011, 02:49:29 am
Elephants + War = Fun
Post by: WormSlayer on January 08, 2011, 03:41:13 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Vince on January 08, 2011, 05:08:24 am
Is one of your ore types to cover economic stone? Because my mental list is basically identical:Argh, I totally forgot the economic and layer types!
-Sand
-Soil
-4 layer types
-4 Economic types(Flux, Plaster, Coal, Obsidian)
-Ore with 4 or 5 value levels
You're right.
Well, let's hope Toady maybe settles for the easiest solution:
Just split the ASCII-Tiles into single images. So instead of marking row and column in the raws, you'd "link" to the ASCII-image.
Which, in turn, we could change into a graphic tile.
So he would not have development- or legal issues and we could have a tile for everything.
Post by: WormSlayer on January 08, 2011, 10:19:13 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/xbWzn.png)
Update: This hasnt come out very well, but it sort of conveys the idea for ores that I'm going to run with, which is: The more valuable tiles are mostly rock with thin veins of metal running through them, while the less valuable ones are more ore than rock. (Value = Rarity?)
(http://i.imgur.com/K9F2Z.png)
Also; welcome to the forum AirsBlue! Must admit I had not considered a separate tile for slate, but I did just make a sort of fractured ground tile to replace the V badlands on the world map... :D
Post by: Igfig on January 09, 2011, 04:11:27 am
Post by: Vince on January 09, 2011, 04:23:01 am
Update: This hasnt come out very well, but it sort of conveys the idea for ores that I'm going to run with, which is: The more valuable tiles are mostly rock with thin veins of metal running through them, while the less valuable ones are more ore than rock. (Value = Rarity?)
(http://i.imgur.com/K9F2Z.png)
Ah, value=rarity is a nice idea, my first thought was the other way around, but yours is more logical.
You've got to watch out, though: Malachite and co. are looking like small strands of black ore in green stone.
If you invert the stone/ore on the tiles you have and swap "Most valuable" with "least valuable" it isn't that confusing anymore, I think.
I hope you know, what I mean.
But very nice, my dreams come true! :D
Post by: AirsBlue on January 09, 2011, 11:59:42 am
(http://i.imgur.com/K9F2Z.png)
Edit: Never mind, just checked up on Malachite and it is green. I guess it starts off green, burns green, is orange when smithed, then patina's back to green again. Crazy metal :P
And (Since I'm not sure how assigning tiles to objects works) would it be possible to assign this Slate tile look to rocks like Shale, and maybe even Slade (All darkish with a slight purple tint maybe? Slate is all jagged, and I think that might work as a look for slade).
Forgive any newbie ignorance, I'm fresh off the immigrant caravan, and have yet to be assigned a task other than mingling in the Meeting Hall. :)
Edit2:
Coolest lookin ore I've ever seen (Just checkin up on the real counterparts of these ores)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a6/Tetrahedrite-Chalcopyrite-Sphalerite-251531.jpg)
Tetrahedrite
Post by: tsen on January 09, 2011, 12:19:53 pm
Post by: Thundrim on January 09, 2011, 02:50:36 pm
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Post by: WormSlayer on January 09, 2011, 03:35:10 pm
I re-made the badlands cracked tile to make it actually tile seamlessly, here's what it looks like when applied to slate, shale and slade:
(http://i.imgur.com/hiUYB.png)
Post by: rephikul on January 09, 2011, 03:38:21 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/hiUYB.png)I'm not quite familiar with ironhand development but that cyan stuff look like devilish grinny faces
Post by: Aklyon on January 09, 2011, 03:41:51 pm
otherwise, awesome going, WormSlayer!
Post by: WormSlayer on January 09, 2011, 03:43:36 pm
I'm not quite familiar with ironhand development but that cyan stuff look like devilish grinny faces
If you step back a page, you will see the semi-failed experiment those cyan tiles come from :D
Whats the green mossy things?
Those would be lumps of galena ore :)
I like the 'value=rarity' system. One little request, though: could you make the iron ores visually distinct from the hybrid ores, tile-wise? Just a thought.
By "hybrid ores" you mean tetrahedrite and galena? I dunno about using another tile slot for them, but maybe they could be ore/ore rather than ore/rock?
Post by: AirsBlue on January 09, 2011, 07:05:19 pm
I re-made the badlands cracked tile to make it actually tile seamlessly, here's what it looks like when applied to slate, shale and slade:
(http://i.imgur.com/hiUYB.png)
I love how that looks.
Can't wait to see how things will look when you've got everything set up :)
Post by: WormSlayer on January 09, 2011, 08:18:38 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/J5nOF.png)
(Also using the correct material colours.)
Post by: Aklyon on January 09, 2011, 08:55:14 pm
Post by: therahedwig on January 09, 2011, 09:15:59 pm
Attempting to combine IH's ore tile, which I really like, with last nights attempt:Be careful using correct material colours. I'm working on some better stones for stonesense, and I've already discovered that kimberlite and cobaltite are grey stones in real-life. That means that there's no actual blue stones in df :/ (well, okay, gabbro can be dark blue, but so can marble)
(http://i.imgur.com/J5nOF.png)
(Also using the correct material colours.)
Post by: Aklyon on January 09, 2011, 09:20:15 pm
Post by: AirsBlue on January 09, 2011, 09:26:34 pm
lol
And those metal ore icons are delicious.
Post by: therahedwig on January 09, 2011, 09:36:29 pm
Also, I was just reminded of something while reading the discussion on kobolds:
Kobolds in DF are "A small, squat humanoid with large pointy ears and yellow glowing eyes." and they have brown skin according to the raws.
None of the graphics sets actually reflect this. You might want to consider changing it, unless you don't wish to annoy the cute!kobold fans :/
(Or maybe there should be a seperate kobold-like race modded called 'cutebolds')
Post by: Aklyon on January 09, 2011, 10:14:35 pm
Post by: Igfig on January 09, 2011, 10:17:09 pm
Attempting to combine IH's ore tile, which I really like, with last nights attempt:
(http://i.imgur.com/J5nOF.png)
(Also using the correct material colours.)
Looks good to me. Yeah, giving hybrid ores higher contrast like that has exactly the effect I was looking for. Thanks!
And I think the main reason kimberlite is blue in DF is that in the old days unweathered kimberlite was arbitrarily called "blue ground" to differentiate it from "yellow ground" (weathered kimberlite, which actually is yellow). Power of Wikipedia!
Post by: Slye_Fox on January 09, 2011, 11:44:38 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on January 10, 2011, 12:53:06 am
Is it possible to make it so the chair tile is not used in bridges?
Nope, unfortunately we have to choose between chair or bridge section :(
In other news; back when I was making all the workshops, I somehow missed the fact that the carpentry workshop has a unique tile! So now our carpenters get a whole extra table full of new tools :D
(http://i.imgur.com/qhwkq.png)
Post by: Vince on January 10, 2011, 04:12:11 am
Attempting to combine IH's ore tile, which I really like, with last nights attempt:
(http://i.imgur.com/J5nOF.png)
(Also using the correct material colours.)
Ahh, I love it :D
The view of veins that cross the whole tile needs getting used to, I imagined differently - but I think it is great.
The difference between lowest value and medium value could be a little stronger, though.
Adamantium and copper are absolutely stunning and perfect! :D
Quote
Kobolds in DF are "A small, squat humanoid with large pointy ears and yellow glowing eyes." and they have brown skin according to the raws.I love the cutebolds! :>
None of the graphics sets actually reflect this. You might want to consider changing it, unless you don't wish to annoy the cute!kobold fans :/
(Or maybe there should be a seperate kobold-like race modded called 'cutebolds')
Post by: Slye_Fox on January 10, 2011, 05:28:08 am
Ahh, I love it :D
The view of veins that cross the whole tile needs getting used to, I imagined differently - but I think it is great.
The difference between lowest value and medium value could be a little stronger, though.
Adamantium and copper are absolutely stunning and perfect! :DQuote from: therahedwigKobolds in DF are "A small, squat humanoid with large pointy ears and yellow glowing eyes." and they have brown skin according to the raws.
None of the graphics sets actually reflect this. You might want to consider changing it, unless you don't wish to annoy the cute!kobold fans :/
(Or maybe there should be a seperate kobold-like race modded called 'cutebolds')
I thought they were cute and furry.
But then again, I've only seen Kobolds in Unforgotten Realms.
Post by: rephikul on January 10, 2011, 05:53:24 am
Not really. These guys are from ragnarok online, for example.
EDIT: fixed image location
Post by: Vince on January 10, 2011, 06:20:51 am
Post by: UristMcDwarf on January 10, 2011, 04:55:54 pm
Post by: therahedwig on January 10, 2011, 07:13:03 pm
(http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/9034/koboltleader00.gif)(http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/3711/kobold100.gif)(http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2627/kobold200.gif)(http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6613/kobold300.gif)(http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/2369/koboldarcher00.gif)
Not really. These guys are from ragnarok online, for example.
EDIT: fixed image location
Yeah, that's how they're represented in most fantasy media, but according to the DF raws, they're more like Harry Potter house-elves with yellow eyes.
Post by: patrix on January 10, 2011, 10:23:26 pm
Was always partial to a classic kobold like this, myself.
Btw, thank you IronHand et. al. for the fantastic tileset!
Post by: Schmlok on January 10, 2011, 10:27:10 pm
Post by: patrix on January 10, 2011, 10:32:06 pm
I could be wrong, but i think D&D switched kobold styles from 2nd ed. to 3rd. 2nd they were doglike, 3rd reptile/dragon?
(http://marmaladedreams.com/img/kobold.jpg)
Indeed, much like this guy here
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 10, 2011, 10:37:04 pm
Post by: patrix on January 10, 2011, 10:43:12 pm
Post by: Wavecutter on January 10, 2011, 11:25:42 pm
Post by: MiniMacker on January 11, 2011, 03:45:35 am
THESE are MY Kobolds. (http://www.urealms.com/forums/Smileys/default/kobold.gif)
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 11, 2011, 03:46:17 am
-snip-What's that from?
THESE are MY Kobolds. (http://www.urealms.com/forums/Smileys/default/kobold.gif)
Post by: Slye_Fox on January 11, 2011, 07:42:14 am
-snip-What's that from?
THESE are MY Kobolds. (http://www.urealms.com/forums/Smileys/default/kobold.gif)
Those are the ones I was referring to, they're from Unforgotten Realms (http://urealms.com/urealms/episodesone.html).
Post by: Ironhand on January 11, 2011, 01:07:58 pm
Although, I refrained from giving my goblins pink hair.
In unrelated news, we have now got chickens: (http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)
Post by: Rose on January 11, 2011, 01:12:00 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 11, 2011, 01:33:44 pm
Maybe I'll put it on the generals or the king or something.
If I can get it to look good. So far no luck.
Post by: Rose on January 11, 2011, 01:56:02 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
this is from reading the color data from the game.
Post by: WormSlayer on January 11, 2011, 02:39:22 pm
THESE are MY Kobolds. (http://www.urealms.com/forums/Smileys/default/kobold.gif)
Made me think of Merch :D
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
On the subject of Kobolds, I am firmly in the "rat-like" camp :)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)
Nice :D Not sure if there are enough pixels for the chicks, but the hen could do with a skinny little chicken leg?
Post by: Schmlok on January 11, 2011, 03:52:50 pm
Post by: therahedwig on January 11, 2011, 03:55:10 pm
Damn you Japa! I keep seriously considering making a set of stonesense graphics, the extra capabilities and resolution are... seductive :P
Well, I'm currently redoing the stones (http://"http://img.ie/426c0.png") and made the grass darker (http://"http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3617"). If you ever get the urge to create something and use a fitting style, I'd be happy to include it. I suppose it would beat the prospect of having to draw everything on your own.
I don't have any general preference for kobolds. It just seems silly to me that none of the graphicsets show the kobolds as in the raws.
Post by: Vince on January 11, 2011, 04:01:10 pm
In unrelated news, we have now got chickens: (http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)To quote Despicable Me: It's so fluffy I'm gonna dieeeeee! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82utG7Q3G_k)
So cute!
Post by: Thundrim on January 11, 2011, 05:15:49 pm
In unrelated news, we have now got chickens: (http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)
Nice and distinct style, for so tiny pixels. Made me smile in me beard.
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Post by: sir_laser on January 11, 2011, 06:02:01 pm
In unrelated news, we have now got chickens: (http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)
This is definitely related news. !!WIN!!
Post by: Ironhand on January 11, 2011, 10:05:30 pm
So I've decided to show you that nothing I do is magic. In fact, it is the result of long minutes of intense artistic theory study.
So now, behold. No longer will this set or anything I do be beyond the realm of reality.
Spoiler: The Creation of the Bogeyman Sprite (click to show/hide)
Post by: AirsBlue on January 11, 2011, 10:07:37 pm
I've tried my hand in making some icons aswell. I suck at it :P
'Tis not as easy as it looks.
Post by: WormSlayer on January 11, 2011, 10:48:29 pm
I had another go at precious ore veins and it came out more like what I have in mind:
(http://i.imgur.com/aAcIk.png)
Post by: Wavecutter on January 12, 2011, 01:33:37 am
IH on a roll :D
I had another go at precious ore veins and it came out more like what I have in mind:
(http://i.imgur.com/aAcIk.png)
Now those look awesome.
Post by: patrix on January 12, 2011, 01:48:03 am
(am still rather of the opinion that IH is still conducting magic)
Post by: Interesting on January 12, 2011, 05:12:59 am
Post by: Ironhand on January 12, 2011, 08:30:12 am
And maybe I use a little magic.
And no, there's not a 24x24 version. Sorry.
Post by: WormSlayer on January 12, 2011, 09:25:56 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/UWJPH.png)
Post by: Aklyon on January 12, 2011, 09:37:20 pm
Post by: Artanis00 on January 13, 2011, 03:02:16 am
The result of tonight's fiddling around in photoshop:
(http://i.imgur.com/UWJPH.png)
I can't say I like the tiled look, but I guess fixing that would have to wait for the OpenGL shader.
Post by: Vince on January 13, 2011, 03:56:36 am
The result of tonight's fiddling around in photoshop:Adamantine looks a bit strange when tiled. I keep seeing ":F :F :F :F" :D
(http://i.imgur.com/UWJPH.png)
Platinum & co are absolutely great!
Limonite & co and Malachite & co are not really distinguishable IMHO - and Limonite & co tile a bit much.
Maybe using the Malachite & co tile for Limonite & co and use a tile with less ore strands for Malachite & co? Almost like Adamantine?
Post by: Deon on January 13, 2011, 08:41:34 am
Post by: Deon on January 13, 2011, 08:43:18 am
Yeah, I will probably try to stick with Toady's descriptions.Great, this hen is adorable! Mind if I use it in Genesis before you release it? I love it much more than mine.
Although, I refrained from giving my goblins pink hair.
In unrelated news, we have now got chickens: (http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)
Post by: Deon on January 13, 2011, 08:55:38 am
I am kinda tired of their teddybear-like appearance in Genesis, so I've just made a redesign.
They are still small rodents, but they have a more vile look now:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/xdryj8.png)
P.S. My kobold sprite sheet
(http://i54.tinypic.com/eaguf8.png)
Post by: Ironhand on January 13, 2011, 09:29:20 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 13, 2011, 10:14:41 pm
You can help yourself to my stuff anytime, Deon.That doesn't sound like innuendo or anything. :)
Post by: Sithun on January 14, 2011, 06:40:34 am
Post by: Ironhand on January 14, 2011, 09:10:51 am
I do my best to keep up, but there's a lot on my plate.
We've already talked about that text stuff a lot, and if
Tarn hasn't fixed up .ttf printing enough by the next release,
we're gonna include a full text set for the next version.
Sorry for your inconvenience!
Post by: Sithun on January 14, 2011, 01:46:32 pm
Post by: lagging savant on January 14, 2011, 04:06:21 pm
Post by: WormSlayer on January 19, 2011, 01:39:05 pm
But CS4 failed to uninstall properly, leaving GB's of shit all over the computer, and now both CS4 and CS5 both refuse to install; I think because they can still see some trace of the old install that I cant find O.o
It's a known problem and Adobe even make a tool for cleaning up broken installs. But I've spent days trying to fix it now, and it's starting to look like I have to reformat and reinstall :S
Post by: Ironhand on January 19, 2011, 02:28:00 pm
Good luck!
My pen tablet doesn't work with Windows 7.
But I think you have it worse.
Post by: sir_laser on January 19, 2011, 05:27:29 pm
So I recently tried to "upgrade" to Adobe CS5...
But CS4 failed to uninstall properly, leaving GB's of shit all over the computer, and now both CS4 and CS5 both refuse to install; I think because they can still see some trace of the old install that I cant find O.o
It's a known problem and Adobe even make a tool for cleaning up broken installs. But I've spent days trying to fix it now, and it's starting to look like I have to reformat and reinstall :S
Do you keep a clone of your HDD?
Ouch!
Good luck!
My pen tablet doesn't work with Windows 7.
But I think you have it worse.
? Windows 7 was designed more or less with tablets in mind...what's the issue?
Post by: mwanafalsafa on January 19, 2011, 07:25:10 pm
I'm pretty sure I copied everything in the right places. Are there any known issues with using this graphics set with the Mac version of the game or did I just mess something up with I 'updated' my game.
And I assume the option to download the full version with the graphics pre-installed is only the PC version the game... right?
Thanks
Post by: Aklyon on January 19, 2011, 07:30:35 pm
Post by: Schmlok on January 19, 2011, 07:41:24 pm
Hello, I updated my Mac OS X version of DF with Ironhand's graphics. The game runs but the graphics are all messed up.
By graphics messed up, do you mean letters replaced by graphics?
Post by: mwanafalsafa on January 19, 2011, 11:37:18 pm
Also I am seeing a lot of symbols replacing letters in some text. But I assume that's just how it's supposed to be... right?
Post by: Rex_Nex on January 20, 2011, 12:18:01 am
Except names. And ZLevel.
Post by: Schmlok on January 20, 2011, 12:46:30 am
For the water/numbers I went in and drew/placed numbers in bright yellow, which gets shaded to a bluegreen cause its water. doesn't intrude almost at all. just as a temporary fix though.
Post by: Mike Mayday on January 20, 2011, 06:39:51 pm
In unrelated news, we have now got chickens: (http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)
Om my lawdy, that is the best thing ever.
Ironhand, Wormslayer what is your policy on having your stuff stolen from you? (http://mayday.w.staszic.waw.pl/gobticons3/scheming.gif)
Post by: Ironhand on January 20, 2011, 08:56:13 pm
Maybe give us credit somewhere.
Post by: Aklyon on January 20, 2011, 09:05:44 pm
Post by: Vince on January 21, 2011, 04:40:18 am
You've got popular chickens, Ironhand.
He's popular with chicks! Ahahaha! Hahaha! Haha... Ohgodpleaseslapme.
Post by: Ironhand on January 21, 2011, 09:34:20 am
You've got popular chickens, Ironhand.
He's popular with chicks! Ahahaha! Hahaha! Haha... Ohgodpleaseslapme.
I only slap babies.
(If you don't get the reference, I suppose that might be rather disconcerting.)
Post by: Vince on January 21, 2011, 09:45:49 am
I only slap babies.
(If you don't get the reference, I suppose that might be rather disconcerting.)
I have the reference right in my sig, so no worries! :D
Post by: WormSlayer on January 24, 2011, 08:37:12 pm
In unrelated news, we have now got chickens: (http://i56.tinypic.com/2zee986.png)
Om my lawdy, that is the best thing ever.
Ironhand, Wormslayer what is your policy on having your stuff stolen from you? (http://mayday.w.staszic.waw.pl/gobticons3/scheming.gif)
Sadly I cant claim any credit for IH's chickens but feel free to help yourself to anything you like :)
Also *love* the scheming goblin face :D
In other news: I *hate* having flu! Whats actually worse than the constant muscle spasms down my spine is the incredible ache in my knees - I can barely walk :(
Post by: Schmlok on January 24, 2011, 09:07:26 pm
Post by: rephikul on January 27, 2011, 02:49:18 am
Post by: Ironhand on January 27, 2011, 08:37:34 am
The next one will be .50.
Post by: deknegt on January 28, 2011, 09:44:38 am
I installed it through LnP and the text is all screwy right now.
(http://i51.tinypic.com/x4hzwj.jpg)
I am pretty sure that this shouldn't happen. It's annoying because now i have to use my brain when i am reading <_<
Post by: Iceco on January 28, 2011, 10:23:02 am
It's because the .ttf (true type font) isn't yet supported completely, resulting in some text still using the tileset instead of the font.
Post by: Mickey Blue on January 28, 2011, 11:51:59 am
Once they change up the graphics properties and we can have more symbols (which I assume will also fix the text issues) I'll probably give one of these a go.
-MB
Post by: deknegt on January 28, 2011, 11:54:24 am
Don't i just have to place the TTF into the system?
Post by: Deon on January 28, 2011, 12:10:18 pm
Post by: Schmlok on January 28, 2011, 05:35:04 pm
Dek, those are the easy ones, notice there are only 3 there, O Y and Z
Just open the .png file and draw yellow numbers on the water. They go green and retain the water look. coffin is 0.
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 29, 2011, 01:48:56 am
Post by: therahedwig on January 29, 2011, 03:58:21 am
What's up with Baugn anyway? Did he get swallowed by google again?
Post by: Deon on January 29, 2011, 07:00:08 am
I guess it would be nice if it actually would get fixed then.It's not only Baugn, it's also Toady. But yeah, until Baugn comes back to it, it's unlikely that anyone else could work on it. So it is impossible right now to "fix" it.
What's up with Baugn anyway? Did he get swallowed by google again?
Post by: s20dan on January 29, 2011, 11:00:33 am
Post by: Ironhand on January 29, 2011, 11:30:17 am
Post by: Deon on January 29, 2011, 11:48:06 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on January 29, 2011, 12:20:38 pm
Totally off-topic: @forsaken: I love your avatar! Did you make it?No, I found it while looking around on the internet. I'm not actually sure who made it, but it made me laugh so I decided to use it for a while.
Post by: m1k3y4e7 on January 30, 2011, 11:57:40 pm
Please have my babies ironhand.
Post by: MonkeyMagic on January 31, 2011, 04:35:18 am
I hate to ask noob questions, but I have been struggling with this for 6 hours; I am running the latest version of DF for Mac and I have been trying to install Ironhand's set.
Every time that I have tried to create a new world after installing the set, it shows a white rectangle in the middle of the menu screen and then stalls out. Terminal shows an error that says something about a pool leaking. See below.*
OK, I found a post in a thread about turning the Graphics: setting in init.txt to off, but that only solves the rectangle and early crashing. It still isn't working properly after that.
Can anyone direct me towards an Ironhand/DFMac prepack or otherwise give me some advice?
Please & Thank You
*Terminal Error
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Post by: hermes on February 04, 2011, 01:46:38 am
Hello, [snip]
Hello MonkeyMagic :)
Check out the DF Bug Tracker site (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/main_page.php), that's probably the best place to report this and (hopefully) get some help.
I did a quick search for your problem and it looks like someone reported the same thing (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3090) way back in August of last year (but unfortunately there is no clear solution :( if you can reproduce it reliably then that info would be useful for future bug squashing). Beyond that, I don't have a mac so can't really offer any help, sorry! If you are really stuck just try the Lazy Newb pack, or one of the other tilesets or no tileset for the time being.
Post by: Lysabild on February 05, 2011, 05:41:32 am
edit: The cows also look a tad too comical compared to the rest of your sprites and covering both cows and bulls it doesn't look very "androgyn"?
Post by: WormSlayer on February 08, 2011, 09:23:13 pm
Hey, png of ore veins please? :D
Sorry man, been a bit busy, being ill and miserable! :P
Here is the most recent test sheet I have:
(http://i.imgur.com/wYHIJ.png)
This is by far the very very best looking tileset in dwarves and goblins. The Trade Depot is ugly though, I almost don't want to build it :b
You mean the wheels in the corners? Bearing in mind that the tile is also used for several other things besides the trade post, what do you think it should be?
Post by: Aklyon on February 08, 2011, 09:33:07 pm
Post by: Igfig on February 09, 2011, 01:22:56 am
This is by far the very very best looking tileset in dwarves and goblins. The Trade Depot is ugly though, I almost don't want to build it :b
You mean the wheels in the corners? Bearing in mind that the tile is also used for several other things besides the trade post, what do you think it should be?
I'd say it's the weird wavy patterns on the floor. (I think I mentioned this a while back, actually.) I'd like to see that tile replaced with some kind of large square flagstone or something.
Post by: Lysabild on February 09, 2011, 08:13:02 am
This is by far the very very best looking tileset in dwarves and goblins. The Trade Depot is ugly though, I almost don't want to build it :b
You mean the wheels in the corners? Bearing in mind that the tile is also used for several other things besides the trade post, what do you think it should be?
What else is it used for? I don't remember seeing it elsewhere, but yeah well it just feels wrong looking at it imo. I seem to remember having used a tileset where the wheels were like single pieces of wall, which looked good.
Post by: recluser on February 09, 2011, 01:40:21 pm
This is by far the very very best looking tileset in dwarves and goblins. The Trade Depot is ugly though, I almost don't want to build it :b
You mean the wheels in the corners? Bearing in mind that the tile is also used for several other things besides the trade post, what do you think it should be?
What else is it used for? I don't remember seeing it elsewhere, but yeah well it just feels wrong looking at it imo. I seem to remember having used a tileset where the wheels were like single pieces of wall, which looked good.
On the other hand I love corners of TD, now if only a TD make out of blocks would look like floor instead of that wavy pattern. :)
Post by: Deon on February 10, 2011, 01:46:45 am
Thank you! I was waiting for this :)Hey, png of ore veins please? :D
Sorry man, been a bit busy, being ill and miserable! :P
Here is the most recent test sheet I have:
(http://i.imgur.com/wYHIJ.png)This is by far the very very best looking tileset in dwarves and goblins. The Trade Depot is ugly though, I almost don't want to build it :b
You mean the wheels in the corners? Bearing in mind that the tile is also used for several other things besides the trade post, what do you think it should be?
Post by: Dutchling on February 10, 2011, 12:40:11 pm
EDIT: nevermind I already saw an answer a page back, I'll just dl the ASCII version
Post by: Deon on February 10, 2011, 12:58:47 pm
Post by: Dutchling on February 10, 2011, 03:57:53 pm
What's wrong with text in my version? You can clearly read it.
Is it different from the screenshot a few pages back? Some things there are... well, just not text :P. So I decided to play the ASCII version for once, after playing Phoebius for a while.
EDIT: This is the pic I meant:
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Post by: Vince on February 11, 2011, 03:59:38 am
Is it different from the screenshot a few pages back? Some things there are... well, just not text :P. So I decided to play the ASCII version for once, after playing Phoebius for a while.
EDIT: This is the pic I meant:I know you can read it but I like reading my dwarves thought without getting a headacheSpoiler (click to show/hide)
It's only very few pages that look like this, by the way!
Most of them look like the headline in your screenshot.
Post by: Deon on February 11, 2011, 04:39:54 am
Yes it is different. I would suggest to look at something before judging it.What's wrong with text in my version? You can clearly read it.
Is it different from the screenshot a few pages back? Some things there are... well, just not text :P. So I decided to play the ASCII version for once, after playing Phoebius for a while.
EDIT: This is the pic I meant:I know you can read it but I like reading my dwarves thought without getting a headacheSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mandango on February 13, 2011, 03:11:10 am
1) freaking awesome
2) F*CKING LLAMAS!
Post by: recluser on February 16, 2011, 11:25:23 am
2) F*CKING LLAMAS!Say what? Llamas are awesome! :P
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Post by: Drago55577 on February 16, 2011, 02:00:51 pm
Post by: Valience on February 16, 2011, 02:31:51 pm
The new version has been out for like minutes. Get this updated you slackers, gosh.
(Please do note the joking. Or don't and rage. Whatever.)
Anyways, can we expect new sexies in a few days?
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 05:22:36 pm
new...
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AWESOMENESS OVERLOAD.
Rebooting.
Dang, people.
I am gonna get my hands on this tonight.
But I have no guarantees as to how long it'll take to get updated.
For now, assume Monday or Tuesday. You may be pleasantly surprised.
Dinner. Then sprites.
Away!
Post by: Musashi on February 16, 2011, 05:32:44 pm
Post by: carebear on February 16, 2011, 05:38:05 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 16, 2011, 05:44:10 pm
If Truetype is still buggy in some menus as before, will it be disabled for the next update of this tileset?Important Question is important.
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 06:28:02 pm
ANSWER.
....er, no.
Also, as of this version, Ironhand/Wormslayer will be completely compatible with vanilla games.
Llamas are officially in the game, now.
Woohoo!
Who's excited?
Post by: Acanthus117 on February 16, 2011, 06:33:14 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 06:41:00 pm
No, they haven't.
Post by: Acanthus117 on February 16, 2011, 06:42:39 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 07:18:31 pm
Text now uses ttf if it's supported, and otherwise goes to the old text I made a while ago.
We lose a bunch of those new tiles that Wormslayer made for workshops and such,
which now just display the old letters and symbols.
But all text is now readable.
EDIT: Also, special characters have been removed for the time being.
Next, remapping raws!
Then I will get onto some new critters.
And eventually I will go and reformat that awful OP.
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 09:12:59 pm
Right now there's not a huge amount of new stuff.
But it's slick and it's fresh and you won't run into any ugly font trouble.
Guaranteed. Or your money back. = P
Also, there's a TON of awesome new stuff in the actual game. So get playing!
Right now, all the new critters are spriteless = ( but you'll notice there's space for them on the sheet now.
Starting tomorrow, I am spending all my free time makin' sprites. We'll get them caught up in no time.
Happy Valentine's Day, people! <3
Post by: seanb on February 16, 2011, 09:26:26 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 16, 2011, 09:27:16 pm
I now have something to do tomorrow.
Post by: BigD145 on February 16, 2011, 09:51:03 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 09:57:56 pm
Are you using a Mac?
If so, you shouldn't be using TTF. Right now it does at least a few unpleasant things to Mac users.
The package as it is right now works really well without TTFs, though, if you want to do that.
Post by: Aklyon on February 16, 2011, 09:59:27 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 16, 2011, 10:27:32 pm
Post by: MatrexsVigil on February 16, 2011, 10:36:43 pm
EDIT: I spoke too soon!
Please make the bee sprites adorable!
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 10:39:00 pm
You might want to just play without ttfs. That works pretty well right now.
Anyway... apparently, there's some critter drawing problems? I'm working on it.
Also, bees are just dots... I really don't think they need a sprite,
since a baby chicken is like one pixel.
Post by: MatrexsVigil on February 16, 2011, 10:56:36 pm
Oh well. I can wait some more.
Post by: Ironhand on February 16, 2011, 11:05:40 pm
In raw/graphics/graphics_critters.txt, it says [PAGE_DIM:25:20].
It should say [PAGE_DIM:29:20]
Change that one number and you'll be all set.
Post by: Kian on February 16, 2011, 11:31:13 pm
I should mention I got the tileset just before the upgrade to 31.19.
Post by: TealThanatos on February 17, 2011, 12:00:03 am
Post by: Mayama on February 17, 2011, 01:16:23 am
Post by: Vince on February 17, 2011, 03:10:42 am
Okay, guys, here's a quick temporary fix for the critter issue:
In raw/graphics/graphics_critters.txt, it says [PAGE_DIM:25:20].
It should say [PAGE_DIM:29:20]
Change that one number and you'll be all set.
I'd post that on the frontpage and in the filebase, too! :)
Also, I found a small bug: When you select something (e.g. the unit menu) the selected item is black on black.
Post by: Mayama on February 17, 2011, 04:53:10 am
Btw I guess theirs no chance to make snow white instead of black?
Post by: Urist McAddict on February 17, 2011, 06:35:02 am
You Llama ass bastards!
I'm quite sure my grades are gonna take a dive now...
Crap! These tiles make crack sound like cotton candy...
Now let me get back to my dwarvish stupor...
GJ!
Post by: Thundercraft on February 17, 2011, 08:04:02 am
Is this new Ironhand Graphics Upgrade Pack version 0.50 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617) backwards compatible with 0.31.18? I realize that .18 lacks chickens (and whatever else you'll be adding soon), but should installing the upgrade version of 0.50+ in vanilla DF 0.31.18 cause graphics glitches or other unwanted behavior?
I'm asking because when you uploaded version 0.50, you replaced the older version 0.494 (for 31.18). Meaning, we can't download the old version any more. There are still many of us who've decided to stick with .18 for a while longer, refusing to switch to newer versions until after some of the major bugs are fixed and after certain mods are updated.
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2011, 09:17:32 am
Dude. BEES.
And clay.
Do it.
In response to complaints:
I am painfully aware of how lacking snow is in my graphics set.
Play in a temperate biome. The pack looks awesome in a temperate biome.
Seriously, though, snow isn't really a high priority. But it will be when we get multi tile support.
I don't know why you've got a FPS drop. For me the new version is FASTER, if anything...
The blacked-out text thing kinda sucks, I know. You can go without TTF if you want. That helps.
But there's nothing I can do about the way the game handles TTFs and font color choosing right now.
And as for your dwarfs not showing up... I really have no idea.
The only explanation I have is: you forgot to update your savegame properly,
or you downloaded the upgrade pack instead of the full package, and put it in the wrong place.
Try starting with a fresh install of the complete package, and let me know if it still looks funny.
As for the addictive qualities of the game.
A) They're totally not my fault. At least not most of them, and
B) I'm gonna have to wrench myself away from the game myself to get any spriting done.
Post by: Ultimuh on February 17, 2011, 09:28:59 am
B) I'm gonna have to wrench myself away from the game myself to get any spriting done.
Well have fun with that.
I myself have to.. *sigh* go to work.. :-\
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2011, 09:46:35 am
I'm also gonna have to assign dwarfs to all the new professions.
Right now they all just show up as the ghost sprite...
Post by: Aklyon on February 17, 2011, 10:50:05 am
Post by: Haekel on February 17, 2011, 01:11:30 pm
Anything I can do about this? Is there some gamma correction feature I don't know about?
(And yes, I'm posting here because I think this is Mod-related. I don't recall having these issues when I used Mayday's a while back)
Btw, love your mod :D
Post by: Deon on February 17, 2011, 01:22:48 pm
Post by: Haekel on February 17, 2011, 01:44:09 pm
Apart from that, I didn't do anything. Oh, I applied the animal fix mentioned earlier in this thread.
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2011, 02:29:27 pm
There's an ongoing argument about whether it's too dark or not.
I have a bright, low-contrast monitor so the dark bits all look kinda greyish black to me.
People with Macs and other high-contrast monitors tend to think the set is too dark.
The water right now is actually just the sand tile. Once TTF gets fixed, it'll be brighter again.
Post by: Aklyon on February 17, 2011, 02:31:35 pm
Post by: Thundrim on February 17, 2011, 04:36:42 pm
Only thing missing now is those planned Dwarven inns. Because you can't get a more Dwarfy feature than that. But let's not go ahead of our beards. Thanks for the release!
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Post by: Antonater on February 17, 2011, 05:10:49 pm
the gold aswell, i dont understand. what was wrong with the old ore
Post by: BradUffner on February 17, 2011, 05:36:48 pm
I'm thinking of something along the line of the customizer for the painterly pack for minecraft. http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php (http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php)
Post by: Aklyon on February 17, 2011, 05:41:37 pm
Post by: BradUffner on February 17, 2011, 05:48:22 pm
It would be really cool to have a configuration tool that would allow people to customize this set with different options, mixing and matching things from previous versions. I know I personally liked the older Ore better than the new one.
I'm thinking of something along the line of the customizer for the painterly pack for minecraft. http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php (http://painterlypack.net/customizer.php)
Actually, I'm bored enough that I think I'm going to give writing a configurator a shot. I've got some ideas that would allow for mixing things together from several different tilesets.
Post by: Kian on February 17, 2011, 06:20:13 pm
And as for your dwarfs not showing up... I really have no idea.
The only explanation I have is: you forgot to update your savegame properly,
or you downloaded the upgrade pack instead of the full package, and put it in the wrong place.
Try starting with a fresh install of the complete package, and let me know if it still looks funny.
The save file was generated in a clean DF 31.18, no mods or anything. I then downloaded the full IH install (still 31.18 when I got it), placed it in a different folder so nothing was overwritten or changed. And finally copied over the region directory into the save folder of the IH install.
I didn't see that the Readme included any other directions, or found anything in the thread or download page that would indicate I had to do things differently. If I missed something obvious, I apologize.
The file I downloaded was Ironhand 0.494.rar, weighing 7970KB.
Post by: ZioAnthros on February 17, 2011, 06:43:18 pm
Also, best graphic set. Good job & thanks! =D
Post by: Theodolus on February 17, 2011, 07:04:25 pm
Edit: Unless I'm mis-reading what you meant by a "Clean DF 31.18". I'm assuming you mean a non-graphical version of that version.
Post by: Kian on February 17, 2011, 07:40:35 pm
Kian: What you're missing is that the RAW files in your save game won't be correct for the IH graphics pack. I've never personally done it, but there is a saved game updater that you should be able to run on your save to change the RAW files so your graphics are mapping to the tileset properly.
Edit: Unless I'm mis-reading what you meant by a "Clean DF 31.18". I'm assuming you mean a non-graphical version of that version.
Ah. That must be it then. I'm new to DF, and by clean install I mean I only have the game I downloaded from Bay12 and now IH's version. If I have to update the RAWs for them to fit with the game, no clue how it's done but it gives me something to start looking for. Thanks.
EDIT - I downloaded the SDL version of DF, not the legacy one.
Post by: Antsan on February 17, 2011, 09:01:39 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 17, 2011, 09:06:58 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2011, 09:13:05 pm
As for the ore, bug Wormslayer about it. I haven't touched the tileset in a long time, honestly.
And with the water, we have a perfectly nice set of water tiles. But we can't really user them right now,
unless we're willing to sacrifice numbers in menus, about which there were a lot of complaints when we tried it.
So I guess we'll just have to deal with it until Toady fixes the TTF support...
Post by: Aklyon on February 17, 2011, 09:14:27 pm
Yeah, everybody's who complaining about stuff: update your savegames.You should add that to the OP whenever you update it next, IH.
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2011, 09:17:11 pm
Also, if any of you want to donate screenshots from your current fortress (or adventure mode, or whatever), that would be awesome!
Post by: ZioAnthros on February 17, 2011, 09:34:33 pm
Have you considered the "water & number" approach?
I think i'll try that now actually. Should be easy to photoshop.
Anyway, keep up the good work!
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2011, 10:47:38 pm
(http://i56.tinypic.com/35avsw2.png)
They are pretty fowl.
Post by: Aklyon on February 17, 2011, 10:59:54 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2011, 11:08:36 pm
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on February 18, 2011, 01:56:11 am
that was a pretty foul pun. :)
I thought the pun-ness was rather... poultry.
Post by: WormSlayer on February 18, 2011, 02:08:41 am
Great work though IH - Really nice selection of birds too, love the shading!
Must admit the ore isnt really working out how I imagined, and now I've started changing it, it looks weird and different to all IH's tiles :S
In case anyone was wondering what I've been wasting my time with when I should be making tiles instead;
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Post by: Tellemurius on February 18, 2011, 02:09:40 am
Hey, guys! I made some sprites!national bad pun day was last week man but that was... PUNNY!!
(http://i56.tinypic.com/35avsw2.png)
They are pretty fowl.
Post by: Verdian on February 18, 2011, 03:48:03 am
In case anyone was wondering what I've been wasting my time with when I should be making tiles instead;Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wow. :o Post a link when you're finished so I can upvote.
Post by: Antonater on February 18, 2011, 11:30:59 am
Post by: Thoranius on February 18, 2011, 02:41:05 pm
Post by: BigD145 on February 18, 2011, 02:50:10 pm
Is it just me, but do fully installed wooden doors show up as just black tiles with a weird dashed edging on the right and left borders? The stockpile image looks fine, as does the 'To be built here' icon shows up as well. (31.19 full Ironhand install pack, graphics_creature.txt fix applied 29:20)
Haven't door issues been due in part to the base material?
Post by: MatrexsVigil on February 18, 2011, 03:27:07 pm
(http://i51.tinypic.com/wlrsx5.png)
Most adorable baby bunny EVER.
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 03:52:51 pm
= P
Seriously, though, I'm having trouble figuring out why they would be black...
Is it muddy or something? That usually screws with my tilemagic stuff.
Also, what kind of wood is it?
Post by: Haekel on February 18, 2011, 03:56:49 pm
I think I had this issue using Mayday's as well, so it might be a general problem with tilesets/something you guys have in common.
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 04:14:17 pm
But seriously, wooden doors?
Don't blame us for not supporting your silly notions. = P
Post by: Haekel on February 18, 2011, 04:36:06 pm
Did I mention it's fuckin' freezin' out there? ;)
Post by: got_milk on February 18, 2011, 04:37:13 pm
Post by: Valience on February 18, 2011, 04:59:14 pm
I will admit, though, that I am using one of the "beta" .pngs with the swirly numbers for water and the newer ore tiles. I guess I was one of the few who likes the swirly water numbers.
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 05:16:44 pm
They are trainable, ladies and gentlemen.
Post by: timco35 on February 18, 2011, 05:49:51 pm
I'm still having issues with creatures being chopped up. I downloaded your full version, started a new game, and updated the [PAGE_DIM:25:20] to [PAGE_DIM:29:20]
in the graphics_critters.txt as mentioned earlier and still no luck. In fact, changing it back and forth doesn't seem to affect their appearance at all. I may have started my fortress before the change if that matters.
I noticed that creatures on the left-most of the tileset seem least effected (normal cats and dogs) but even a few creatures to the right and they seem to get halved. My elephant image is the adult back half on the left with the baby from on the right. Dwarves, goblins, and fish seem to be unmolested in any way. I'm real new to forum posting and I can't figure out how to make a screen shot. The export local image thing kind of lost me.
I have a feeling I'm missing something that should be obvious, so forgive my idiocy. Thanks for any help or insight into this.
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 05:52:20 pm
Post by: timco35 on February 18, 2011, 06:04:54 pm
Post by: fluffhead on February 18, 2011, 06:29:16 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 06:33:11 pm
Your best bet is to just grab THIS (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)!
It's the game and our graphics set all bundled together.
Then you can just jump right in and play!
The graphics set gets updated fairly often, so keep an eye on this thread or that link.
Post by: BradUffner on February 18, 2011, 06:35:06 pm
Actually, I'm bored enough that I think I'm going to give writing a configurator a shot. I've got some ideas that would allow for mixing things together from several different tilesets.
First version is done.
Thread for the application is http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=77724.0
Post by: fluffhead on February 18, 2011, 07:39:21 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 18, 2011, 07:42:47 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 08:08:15 pm
So I've done sheep, goats, pigs, rabbits, yaks, water buffalo, reindeer, alpacas, rhinos and rocs.
Whew. That's a lot of critters for one day.
I just need to do cavies and giraffes, and I will give y'all a copy of the new critter raws!
Post by: Thundrim on February 18, 2011, 08:30:45 pm
RHIfreakingNOCEROS (http://i55.tinypic.com/29c77yg.png) .
They are trainable, ladies and gentlemen.
Nice! Love exotic animals! Like the stance!
They end up a bit of scarred over time though. *cough cough* ;D
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Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 09:20:38 pm
Most of you probably just want the upgrade pack for this one.
The only major difference is the new critters. And they're totally worth it.
I also fixed the ghost dwarves that were showing up, and some other stuff.
Everybody have an awesome weekend!
Post by: Verdian on February 18, 2011, 09:31:50 pm
Post by: Thundercraft on February 18, 2011, 09:53:42 pm
just started playing and I want it to look pretty. How exactly do I get this installed? I've got 0.31.19, but not sure how to install a tileset, it doesn't seem like it would be too tough, just not sure what to do, I downloaded the new file mentioned in the first post, but what do I do with it.
My two cents:
If you are new to Dwarf Fortress, I'd recommend taking a look at the Lazy Newb Pack v7.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.msg1991521#msg1991521). It includes the 0.31.18 version, combined with several graphics sets to choose from (including Ironhand), bundled with a very useful GUI and with several of the most popular/useful utilities pre-installed, including DFhack and Dwarf Therapist. Many fans swear by the usefulness of these utilities and this pack as a great way to get introduced.
It may be tempting to download and use the latest version, especially with all the cool new animals and features. But there are several major bugs being worked on. And there are not many utilities or mods available yet that are fully compatible with 0.31.19.
Just saying...
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2011, 10:21:44 pm
Any chance of getting corpses for each creature/animal?
We don't have free tiles sitting around because of the TTF issues.
But once we get those back, we could definitely make a few generic dead things.
Then all dead birds would look the same, and all dead humanoids, etc etc. But it would still be better, I think.
Post by: Verdian on February 19, 2011, 02:20:07 am
(adults, babies, zombie [placeholders], and skeletons for each)"
Could you just have dead objects use the associated skeleton or zombie sprite?
Post by: OasiS on February 19, 2011, 04:39:36 am
When I try to embark and prepare for the journey carefully, I can't choose plants, drinks or seeds as starting items.
This problem bugs me quite a lot, so does anyone know a solution?
Post by: Haekel on February 19, 2011, 05:10:07 am
Post by: OasiS on February 19, 2011, 05:13:07 am
Have you tried this on multiple worlds / with different civilisations? While it may sound rather odd, it may be the case that your mountain home just doesn't have any soil in their vicinity and no access to an underground cavern for farming.
I have tried this on multiple worlds, not with different civilisations thought. When I embarked without any seeds drinks or plants, I could still just harvest the plants on the surface and use their seeds to farm. Underground there was plenty of soil to farm on.
Post by: Haekel on February 19, 2011, 05:29:58 am
Also, by "underground soil" do you mean a cavern? Your world needs a cavern layer to support the dwarven crops. Without an underground cavern next to your mountain home, there will be no dwarven crops to embark with.
Post by: OasiS on February 19, 2011, 05:37:35 am
Post by: Ironhand on February 19, 2011, 09:00:39 am
I notice in the notes for your download that it says, "With the following new sprites
(adults, babies, zombie [placeholders], and skeletons for each)"
Could you just have dead objects use the associated skeleton or zombie sprite?
No, unfortunately. Dead creatures (and creatures in cages) use the TILE associated with that creature.
It is silly that they don't use graphics, but they don't. So we'd be limited to a couple group tiles for all dead creatures...
I guess that's another big thing we can look forward to if Toady ever implements full graphics support.
I am relatively new to dwarf fortress, so i downloaded the latest full version of this graphics set, but now i've got a problem.
When I try to embark and prepare for the journey carefully, I can't choose plants, drinks or seeds as starting items.
This problem bugs me quite a lot, so does anyone know a solution?
The only thing I can think of is that your mother civilization is crap.
When you are choosing an embark location, you can use TAB to scroll through different information menus.
When you get to the one called "CIVILIZATION", and it has a list of dwarf civs, you can use + and - to choose one.
If you pick one on a wide selection of biomes (usually I just go with the largest civ), it'll provide more trade goods.
Post by: Deon on February 19, 2011, 09:03:19 am
Post by: Valience on February 19, 2011, 09:48:15 am
A simple workaround to "v's all over my trade depot after a vulture attack" is to make two tiles - "big pile of bones" and "small pile of bones" - and associate all creatures with appropriate tiles. Thus on death they will leave bone piles, I use it in Genesis.
I like this idea. +1 and all that.
Post by: Antsan on February 19, 2011, 09:55:56 am
A simple workaround to "v's all over my trade depot after a vulture attack" is to make two tiles - "big pile of bones" and "small pile of bones" - and associate all creatures with appropriate tiles. Thus on death they will leave bone piles, I use it in Genesis.
I like this idea. +1 and all that.
Post by: dennislp3 on February 19, 2011, 03:11:37 pm
A simple workaround to "v's all over my trade depot after a vulture attack" is to make two tiles - "big pile of bones" and "small pile of bones" - and associate all creatures with appropriate tiles. Thus on death they will leave bone piles, I use it in Genesis.
I like this idea. +1 and all that.
you would need to make it +2 lol...and I make it +3
Post by: Antsan on February 19, 2011, 03:18:47 pm
Post by: ammy55 on February 19, 2011, 04:26:10 pm
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Post by: Antsan on February 19, 2011, 05:00:42 pm
Short: This is expected behaviour and can only be fixed via replacing some graphics with letters.
Post by: Ironhand on February 19, 2011, 07:17:00 pm
i'm having a problem with text showing as tiles heres a picture how do i fix thisSpoiler (click to show/hide)
If this is a joke: it was funny the first six hundred times; knock it off.
If it's not: DOWNLOAD THE NEW VERSION.
Post by: Slye_Fox on February 19, 2011, 08:05:01 pm
Was it your decision to use the sand tile for water/magma, or was it something you had no choice in?
Post by: Ironhand on February 19, 2011, 08:08:57 pm
Because of that, the water and magma share a tile with sand and snow. There's nothing we can do about it.
Post by: Slye_Fox on February 19, 2011, 08:24:47 pm
Can't you use those water tiles that had the numbers on them?
That way you have both water and numbers available.
Post by: pugi on February 20, 2011, 07:24:20 am
You can copy the 1-7 from there and insert in the current tileset.
Hey, png of ore veins please? :D
Sorry man, been a bit busy, being ill and miserable! :P
Here is the most recent test sheet I have:
(http://i.imgur.com/wYHIJ.png)This is by far the very very best looking tileset in dwarves and goblins. The Trade Depot is ugly though, I almost don't want to build it :b
You mean the wheels in the corners? Bearing in mind that the tile is also used for several other things besides the trade post, what do you think it should be?
Post by: Ironhand on February 20, 2011, 10:03:23 am
Post by: WormSlayer on February 20, 2011, 03:48:01 pm
A simple workaround to "v's all over my trade depot after a vulture attack" is to make two tiles - "big pile of bones" and "small pile of bones" - and associate all creatures with appropriate tiles. Thus on death they will leave bone piles, I use it in Genesis.
Yeah this is basically what I going to do when TTF support came along but obviously thats still a bit transitional and then things got all sidetracked with talk of new file formats and shaders...
+9001 internets to Ironhand for cranking out all these great sprites, but when are you going to finish the Dwarf classes? ;)
Edit: BatLlama! :D
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Post by: Ironhand on February 20, 2011, 06:31:08 pm
Post by: Ultimuh on February 20, 2011, 09:16:13 pm
A simple workaround to "v's all over my trade depot after a vulture attack" is to make two tiles - "big pile of bones" and "small pile of bones" - and associate all creatures with appropriate tiles. Thus on death they will leave bone piles, I use it in Genesis.
Yeah this is basically what I going to do when TTF support came along but obviously thats still a bit transitional and then things got all sidetracked with talk of new file formats and shaders...
+9001 internets to Ironhand for cranking out all these great sprites, but when are you going to finish the Dwarf classes? ;)
Edit: BatLlama! :DSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Please mod in those Llama's with the appropriate graphics, as a small bonus for the graphics set. ;D
Post by: Sirdrake on February 21, 2011, 11:38:36 am
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 11:40:11 am
But that doesn't mean you can't try.
It might take a little bit of raw-digging.
Post by: Thundercraft on February 21, 2011, 12:56:07 pm
We have no guarantees of backwards compatibility... sorry.
But that doesn't mean you can't try.
It might take a little bit of raw-digging.
That's why I suggested starting a new DFFD download page for the 0.31.19 version. Not all DF users are capable or willing to learn raw-digging. (Some players find that prospect to be very frightening.) At the least, Megaupload, Rapidshare or similar could be used to keep a download for the older version 0.494 around a while longer. For example, the Lazy Newb Pack (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=59026.msg1991521#msg1991521) keeps downloads for the two previous version available for those who might prefer it or need it for compatibility.
Post by: Aklyon on February 21, 2011, 01:00:58 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 02:28:44 pm
So... which version is it that people want?
I have all the old versions on my computer, but I don't know of an easy way to share them...
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 21, 2011, 02:35:31 pm
I see!Dropbox (http://db.tt/0tpYyzW)? Put them under your public folder and share the links.
So... which version is it that people want?
I have all the old versions on my computer, but I don't know of an easy way to share them...
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 02:46:02 pm
Or is there some kind of easy, read-only access I can grant?
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 21, 2011, 02:52:02 pm
That would mean that everybody else would have to get a dropbox account, though... wouldn't it?As I said, you put the file into your public folder and share the public link here and people can download it. Like this: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9910241/Report1.PNG
Or is there some kind of easy, read-only access I can grant?
Any file in the public folder can be linked to. You could even host a low-end webpage there by placing the .htm file there and linking to it.
Also: If you want, make a webpage and I'll throw it up on my own domain for people to get the last 2-3 versions of your tileset.
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 03:41:31 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 21, 2011, 03:54:05 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 04:38:20 pm
So I think the latest one from each of the last two or three official updates should do the trick.
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 06:06:10 pm
0.491 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/Ironhand%200.491.rar) and 0.493 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/Ironhand%200.493.rar) and 0.494 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/Ironhand%200.494.rar)
They're on the OP as well.
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 21, 2011, 06:14:53 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 06:17:58 pm
Post by: Thundercraft on February 21, 2011, 08:22:39 pm
The only free file host I'm aware of that promises not to delete your files for inactivity is host-a.net (http://www.host-a.net/). The only catch is that the total space available for your files is pretty limited. But it works great for small files and there should be plenty of room for numerous copies of Ironhand (minus the full DF package).
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 21, 2011, 08:26:39 pm
Using dropbox may be easy, but I'm fairly certain that your files will eventually be automatically deleted by the site due to "inactivity". (Have you read all the fine print on their "Terms of Service" page?) Another words, those files must be downloaded at least once every few weeks. Nearly all free file hosts that I'm aware of do this - it's an extremely common policy. Something to keep in mind.Considering how dropbox works (ie, you have a folder on your computer which is mirrored to dropbox's server) I doubt they will delete anything. The image I linked earlier hasn't been viewed or used for months and is still there. In fact I still have some files in there from September, which is when I first started using dropbox.
The only free file host I'm aware of that promises not to delete your files for inactivity is host-a.net (http://www.host-a.net/). The only catch is that the total space available for your files is pretty limited. But it works great for small files and there should be plenty of room for numerous copies of Ironhand (minus the full DF package).
Hell my dwarf fortress folder is INSIDE the dropbox folder so my games are mirrored out to my other PC's and I can pick up my fort from my laptop or anywhere else.
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 21, 2011, 08:29:03 pm
Using dropbox may be easy, but I'm fairly certain that your files will eventually be automatically deleted by the site due to "inactivity". (Have you read all the fine print on their "Terms of Service" page?) Another words, those files must be downloaded at least once every few weeks. Nearly all free file hosts that I'm aware of do this - it's an extremely common policy. Something to keep in mind.Have you ever actually used Dropbox? It's not actually a file-sharing service such as the link you shared seems to be. First and foremost, it's a system for syncing file between your own computers. It just so happens that any files you choose to make public have a public URL. Wouldn't make sense for Dropbox to delete those files so far as their business model goes.
(Note: If you can link me to where it says anything like that in the Terms of Service, please do. I use Dropbox for a fair few things and I've never seen anything of the sort though.)
Post by: Thundercraft on February 21, 2011, 08:37:39 pm
Middle of the page, under "Termination": https://www.dropbox.com/terms (https://www.dropbox.com/terms)
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Dropbox reserves the right to terminate Free Accounts at any time, with or without notice. Without limiting the generality of the foregoing, and without further notice, Dropbox may choose to delete and/or reduce: (i) any or all of Your Files if your Free Account is inactive for 90 days; and (ii) previous versions and/or prior backups of Your Files.
Granted, 90 days of grace period before deletion is very generous as far as free file hosts are concerned. In fact, with the exception of the no-deletion policy of host-a.net (http://www.host-a.net/), I've not seen a better policy.
In the past I have actually found dead links to downloads that were hosted on Dropbox. But I do not blame Dropbox. From what I recall, the files in question were some obscure mods for a rather old game, so I would not be surprised if over 90 days had passed since the last download. If blame is deserved, it would be the file hosting industry for setting the standard. After all, the industry just wants to encourage users to pay for file hosting, instead of leaching bandwidth and space for free.
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A couple years ago I spent a few days with Google searches and reading through pages and pages of fine print on the FREE Web Hosting (http://www.free-webhosts.com) website review site in order to find a free file host that did not delete stuff for inactivity. I was about to give up and conclude that such a site did not exist, until I finally found host-a.net.
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 21, 2011, 08:47:39 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 21, 2011, 08:49:48 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 21, 2011, 08:56:34 pm
In the past I have actually found dead links to downloads that were hosted on Dropbox. But I do not blame Dropbox. From what I recall, the files in question were some obscure mods for a rather old game, so I would not be surprised if over 90 days had passed since the last download. If blame is deserved, it would be the file hosting industry for setting the standard. After all, the industry just wants to encourage users to pay for file hosting, instead of leaching bandwidth and space for free.That would most likely mean that the person that owned that Dropbox account had deleted the files on their local machine and the change automatically propogated to Dropbox. Makes sense, particularly if they were, as you said, old files.
Although, like forsake1111 said, Dropbox's policy deals with inactive accounts. Combined with the fact that I'm sure people will download the old Ironhand files (if out of curiosity if nothing else) at least every 90 days, it shouldn't be an issue in either case.
(For reference, I have files on Dropbox that I haven't touched in almost a year. They're still there.)
Although I think this has gotten a bit off topic. To each their own way of sharing files. :)
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 21, 2011, 08:58:09 pm
Unless you set it to not start automatically when Windows boots up.Yes... if you set it not to run then it wouldn't, obviously. Even if that happened, and you went 90 days and they deleted your data... the minute you actually ran it, the app would start uploading all of the stuff still in the mirrored folder again.
Post by: Thundercraft on February 21, 2011, 09:00:40 pm
Question 1: Does it leach any of your bandwidth in the background?
There is a method to monitor the usage of your Internet connection to see if that is the case. I know the Skype app runs in the background all the time and it leaches away unused bandwidth and CPU cycles from users in order to carry around the VoIP messages of other users - utilizing a P2P network similar to the way torrents work.
Question 2: How much CPU cycles does the app require and what is the program priority set to?
I ask because having too many background apps running (even merely sitting in your system tray as an icon) while also trying to play Dwarf Fortress can have a measurable impact in reducing your FPS and lead to early FPS death in Fortress Mode.
Post by: forsaken1111 on February 21, 2011, 09:05:10 pm
So, it includes an app that runs in the background all the time.AFAIK it only runs when it something changes in the mirrored folder, not all the time. At least I don't have it running right now and I never closed it myself. I just dropped a file into the folder though and it popped up, synced, and vanished. Something must run at a low level to monitor the folder I suppose.
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Question 1: Does it leach any of your bandwidth in the background?Well of course, it uses your bandwidth to upload/download any files which need to be synced. It isn't a p2p network, it only sends files to their server. I didn't know that about skype though, not that it matters to me so long as it doesn't throttle my own use of the internet.
There is a method to monitor the usage of your Internet connection to see if that is the case. I know the Skype app runs in the background all the time and it leaches away unused bandwidth and CPU cycles from users in order to carry around the VoIP messages of other users - utilizing a P2P network similar to the way torrents work.
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Question 2: How much CPU cycles does the app require and what is the program priority set to?I just tested it by removing a folder from the synced area and then re-adding it. The application popped up but shows as using not even 1% of my cpu, so... I guess not much?
I ask because having too many background apps running (even merely sitting in your system tray as an icon) while also trying to play Dwarf Fortress can have a measurable impact in reducing your FPS and lead to early FPS death in Fortress Mode.
Post by: Ironhand on February 21, 2011, 09:15:13 pm
Let's get back on topic.
Post by: castun on February 21, 2011, 10:38:21 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 21, 2011, 10:40:01 pm
I love this set! The water is a bit dark for my tastes though. Any easy way to modify that?use water tiles from an older version?
Post by: Haspen on February 22, 2011, 04:29:07 am
I love this set! The water is a bit dark for my tastes though. Any easy way to modify that?use water tiles from an older version?
Go to init/colors.txt
There you go.
Post by: Igfig on February 22, 2011, 05:51:24 pm
Tile 34, the double-quote, is the hard-coded symbol for farmland on the adventure map, as well as the glowing eyes of certain creatures. Right now, though, it's a bunch of woodworking tools (the tile is also used in the carpenter's workshop). Would you be able to put together a tile that suits all three of its functions? With a bit of Tile Magic, I bet you could make a pair of short vertical lines into crops, eyes, and tools hanging on a wall.
Tiles 137 (ë) and 154 (Ü) represent military elves and humans, respectively, but appear as ore tiles. This means that dead human and elven soldiers turn into weird reddish splashes when they die.
Tiles 147 (ô), 148 (ö) and 153 (Ö) represent cauldrons, rings and bracelets, but appear as trees and ore.
Tile 196 (─) looks fine as an axle, but clashes with the other single-line tiles when used as part of a road, river, or border for something.
Tile 239 (∩) represents both hills and slabs, but resembles neither.
Post by: castun on February 22, 2011, 06:19:51 pm
I love this set! The water is a bit dark for my tastes though. Any easy way to modify that?use water tiles from an older version?
Go to init/colors.txt
There you go.
Tried this, by modifying the BLUE & LBLUE colors as per the df.magmawiki, but didn't work. Not sure where this graphics set pulls the colors for certain tiles, and I'm not all that experienced with manually modding DF.
use water tiles from an older version?
The tile (which is used for both sand & water) is just part of a greyscale image. So changing this would only alter the appearance, and not the color, AFAIK.
Post by: Aklyon on February 22, 2011, 06:22:20 pm
Post by: castun on February 22, 2011, 07:16:42 pm
If you changed it in the DF/Raw folder, you need to do savegame updater so it copies the changed raws to the individual world's raws.
That did it. Tiles are still too dark though, I think I may have to just manually lighten up the water tile itself a bit actually.
Post by: schussel on February 22, 2011, 08:22:23 pm
am i doing something wrong?
Post by: castun on February 22, 2011, 08:34:00 pm
minor issue here ... i just downloaded the .51 full version .. changed show_flow_ammounts to yes (was set to no) but ingame now i just get numbers .. no more cool watergraphics as in the versions before
am i doing something wrong?
The newest version replaced all the water graphics with numbers. The game uses 1-7 to specify the water depth, and previously it had water graphics in their place.
Post by: schussel on February 22, 2011, 08:36:25 pm
makes me a sad dorfi
well thanks for the info
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 22, 2011, 08:41:43 pm
Post by: schussel on February 22, 2011, 08:45:04 pm
Post by: JanusTwoface on February 22, 2011, 08:57:20 pm
sure :) but i am too dumb to figure out myself and let it do other people :)Sent you a PM.
Post by: schussel on February 22, 2011, 09:05:35 pm
but here my question to the greatest of the great Llamas!!1
Ironhand, why did the water graphic have to go? *in case i overread an earlier explanation i apologize and swear to sacrifice 12 elven to Armokk*
Post by: Vince on February 23, 2011, 04:26:01 am
And the swirls with numbers in them (posted somewhere earlier) were not that pretty.
Post by: Ironhand on February 23, 2011, 09:37:10 am
As soon as TTF support gets fixed, we will be able to fix a lot of silly little issues like that.
Just waiting...
Post by: schussel on February 23, 2011, 10:35:13 am
gotta wait :) df is almost unplayable anyways for me atm .. (i somehow only get any metals under badlands and deserts and if not .. the game crashes on embark :/ .. but thats another story)
btw i love those critter sprites :)
Post by: Kuromimi505 on February 23, 2011, 07:00:01 pm
Luckily I got a top layer of Limestone with tons Limonite iron ore on my first embark on 31.19, just sicking out of the wall. You can hate me if it helps. (shallow metals, flux stone, deep metals embark)
Very small Ironhand 0.51 graphics bug note:
Rings (craft) look like trees,
eggs look like rings.
The two grass icons that used to be "." and "," really would be better with just a tiny very faint gray . and , in them. It does not affect the grass in any noticeable way and makes the dwarf profiles easier to read.
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Has anyone considered making a text character art for goblins in cages? I used to make a goblin character art character and set the goblin raw file to that character instead of "g" just so they LOOK like goblins in cages... instead of a cage that alternately flashes "g".
But I admit it was only important to me because I usually have caged goblin fun rooms as a major feature of my fort.
Post by: Slye_Fox on February 23, 2011, 07:49:17 pm
Not found any metals... or even clay yet.
Already got a fort with 93 dwarfs in it.
Also, I find it much better with the numbered water tiles, thanks for that.
Post by: Ironhand on February 23, 2011, 10:22:02 pm
Here's a NEW TILE SET (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/ironhand.png) if you want to test it out. Right click, save as.
The colors.txt is gonna get changed a little bit as well.
Post by: Thundrim on February 23, 2011, 11:06:29 pm
The tileset works fine, had an embark site ready just in case something funny like this should happen. And the brightness of the monitor is still adjustable. Hehe! Thanks. ;D
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Post by: Fullmoon on February 24, 2011, 01:08:21 am
Am I right understanding that background color is black?
AFAIU you use semitransparent background for object tiles like shrubs. Which tile is this background, if any?
I'm not that good with PS. Is there any tricks to simplify work with semitransparent tiles?
Post by: Arucard on February 24, 2011, 06:56:23 am
Post by: Ironhand on February 24, 2011, 09:27:34 am
The "background", as you call it, doesn't really exist.
I mean, it doesn't like draw a background and then put something on top of it.
Every tile is just ONE tile. So you've gotta choose which background will go behind each tile, and stick with it.
GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/) is similar to Photoshop, and has the same alpha-painting capabilities, I think.
All I can say is... go experiment! That's how I learned all the stuff I know now.
If you have other questions, feel free to PM me.
Good luck!
Post by: Valience on February 24, 2011, 08:57:57 pm
I would like to suggest a small addition to the first post. Could you, perhaps, post a couple variations of the tileset? I am mainly referring to adding the version here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg2000752#msg2000752) and the new "lightened" version you just posted.
I have yet to try the new lightened version, but I have had no problem fiddling with the color settings. As such, I present a very mildly edited color set from the wiki as what I use. I believe it was the second natural color set that was largely used for everything. IIRC, which I probably don't, I toned down white to be 200's instead of 255's, and I believe I fiddled with the dark colors a bit. I'll probably fiddle with it more when I decide I want to spend a day closing and opening DF time and again xD
I think it works pretty well for everything but the smooth and engraved floors, which I have a hell of a time telling apart no matter what.
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Might I suggest having your set change the default colors for wounds as well? I know some people are probably in love with how it is by default, but I really find that using light green for fine, yellow for some damage (oh no my lifebar is yellow), brown for minor (like a bruise), and dark blue (Oh baby I got the blues) for a lost part works way better for me. Function loss is up for grabs, I really don't dig magenta... just using it as a placeholder. Maybe cyan, since it's also kind of blue-ish?
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Post by: muty on February 25, 2011, 02:10:41 am
Hey, guys! I'm starting to work with a significantly brighter color scheme.Thanks, my eyes are very grateful.
Here's a NEW TILE SET (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/ironhand.png) if you want to test it out. Right click, save as.
The colors.txt is gonna get changed a little bit as well.
Post by: Haekel on February 25, 2011, 07:28:42 am
Thanks a bunch, love it ;)
Post by: Moogie on February 25, 2011, 07:42:59 am
Would greatly appreciate a link to some examples. :)
Post by: Ironhand on February 25, 2011, 09:35:09 am
Post by: Newbunkle on February 26, 2011, 01:38:07 pm
Just out of interest, is it possible to make the dwarf personality screen use the narrower font from the other screens? I find the wider fancy characters harder to read. No problem if not.
The only real problem I'm having is that on the unit and job screens, the font colour on the highlighted line is always black. That means I can't read what's highlighted unless I move the bar to another line. :/
Post by: Ironhand on February 26, 2011, 02:28:15 pm
But that will mean that EVERYTHING is displayed with the chunky font instead of the narrow one.
Right now we can't choose what uses TTF fonts and what doesn't. It's either all on or all off.
And all on doesn't actually mean all on yet. We just have to deal with it for now.
Post by: Pan on February 27, 2011, 01:04:00 pm
Is the current version that is meant for .19 compatible with .18? Cuz I've been advised to wait for a bug fix before using .19, and I just cannot wait. :P
And also let me comment on how awesome your dwarf sprites are. ;)
Post by: Kuromimi505 on February 27, 2011, 06:06:08 pm
Is the current version that is meant for .19 compatible with .18? Cuz I've been advised to wait for a bug fix before using .19, and I just cannot wait. :P
Go ahead and play 0.19, just make sure to embark on an area that has 2 metal entries and flux stone and be aware that you STILL might be screwed over on metals. Embark accordingly and hope for shallow copper or iron ore. Don't do beekeeping, and do not make extra nest boxes (keep it equal or less than the number of female birds). Don't hit "V" on named creatures with truetype on. Other than that I think you will be fine.
If you find iron, proceed as normal.
If you find copper, order tin as the highest priority from every caravan. Bronze is not totally sucky now. Make some bronze warhammers.
If you find silver, make silver war hammers and silver crafts to trade for ore. Silver warhammers might not penetrate armor, but if they are flying back 50 feet impacting on a tree with two ruptured lungs, does it matter? You might be stuck with leather armor, but many silver hammer blows are one hit kills now. They even do good in studies against adamantine armor.
Silver: [MOLAR_MASS:107868]
Bronze: [MOLAR_MASS:80000]
Steel: [MOLAR_MASS:55845]
What hammer do you want to get hit with?
Just don't count on finding more than one type of metal in the ground. Order a variety of ornamental metals, because once you find your first metal you probably won't be finding any others. You may also be only finding one type of gemstone. Order others early. Beware of nobles that like gold or the like even more than normal.
Post by: Newbunkle on February 28, 2011, 04:49:14 pm
You can fix the black text problem by turning TRUE TYPE FONT to NO in data/dinit.txt.
But that will mean that EVERYTHING is displayed with the chunky font instead of the narrow one.
Right now we can't choose what uses TTF fonts and what doesn't. It's either all on or all off.
And all on doesn't actually mean all on yet. We just have to deal with it for now.
Ah well, I think I'll just leave it as it is. It's still the best pack I've tried, so I'm more than happy with it. Thanks!
Post by: Igfig on February 28, 2011, 05:22:59 pm
I've been tootling around a bit in Adventure Mode of late, and I noticed a couple of tile inconsistencies.
Tile 34, the double-quote, is the hard-coded symbol for farmland on the adventure map, as well as the glowing eyes of certain creatures. Right now, though, it's a bunch of woodworking tools (the tile is also used in the carpenter's workshop). Would you be able to put together a tile that suits all three of its functions? With a bit of Tile Magic, I bet you could make a pair of short vertical lines into crops, eyes, and tools hanging on a wall.
Tiles 137 (ë) and 154 (Ü) represent military elves and humans, respectively, but appear as ore tiles. This means that dead human and elven soldiers turn into weird reddish splashes when they die.
Tiles 147 (ô), 148 (ö) and 153 (Ö) represent cauldrons, rings and bracelets, but appear as trees and ore.
Tile 196 (─) looks fine as an axle, but clashes with the other single-line tiles when used as part of a road, river, or border for something.
Tile 239 (∩) represents both hills and slabs, but resembles neither.
Reposting since I think this was missed.
Also, noticed that bogeymen need a change of both tile and graphic. Right now they're just gems.
Post by: kgb on March 01, 2011, 06:07:34 am
Everything is downloaded from the original locations.
Post by: Ironhand on March 01, 2011, 10:13:01 am
@Igfig: I didn't miss it.
That is awesome work, and thanks a ton for that list.
If WormSlayer's around, he'll get his hands on it. = P
I really don't have time to worry about it right now, though.
This semester is ridiculous. Ask me again over the summer.
Post by: GeorgeDorn on March 03, 2011, 01:11:59 am
I'm not abandoning my fortress, also.
Post by: Ironhand on March 03, 2011, 10:38:15 am
Post by: Aklyon on March 03, 2011, 05:40:37 pm
They should be in data/save. There should be a folder in there called "region1".or region2, 3, etc.
Post by: WormSlayer on March 04, 2011, 12:01:50 am
I've been tootling around a bit in Adventure Mode of late, and I noticed a couple of tile inconsistencies.
Tile 34, the double-quote, is the hard-coded symbol for farmland on the adventure map, as well as the glowing eyes of certain creatures. Right now, though, it's a bunch of woodworking tools (the tile is also used in the carpenter's workshop). Would you be able to put together a tile that suits all three of its functions? With a bit of Tile Magic, I bet you could make a pair of short vertical lines into crops, eyes, and tools hanging on a wall.
Tiles 137 (ë) and 154 (Ü) represent military elves and humans, respectively, but appear as ore tiles. This means that dead human and elven soldiers turn into weird reddish splashes when they die.
Tiles 147 (ô), 148 (ö) and 153 (Ö) represent cauldrons, rings and bracelets, but appear as trees and ore.
Tile 196 (─) looks fine as an axle, but clashes with the other single-line tiles when used as part of a road, river, or border for something.
Tile 239 (∩) represents both hills and slabs, but resembles neither.
Reposting since I think this was missed.
Also, noticed that bogeymen need a change of both tile and graphic. Right now they're just gems.
I had indeed missed that post! Still a bit preoccupied with real-world stuff, but will look at those tiles!
Post by: Aklyon on March 06, 2011, 10:24:05 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2011, 10:34:19 am
I do sprites. WS does tiles.
I'll get on it this afternoon.
No guarantees, though. This week is gonna be crazy for me.
Post by: Lysabild on March 06, 2011, 11:42:51 am
That's my job.
I do sprites. WS does tiles.
I'll get on it this afternoon.
No guarantees, though. This week is gonna be crazy for me.
Even if no new sprites atleast an updated version for the inept?
Post by: schussel on March 06, 2011, 11:56:09 am
*arms the machine-salt-and-sugar-cube-launcher*
open up llama!!! :D
*pulls trigger*
Post by: Starlight on March 06, 2011, 01:42:59 pm
Post by: schussel on March 06, 2011, 01:47:40 pm
New version is out! 31.20
from ironhand or just df?
in case 1. where to get
in case 2. DOOOH read the posts above first :P
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2011, 02:45:05 pm
Give me like 10 minutes, and it'll be up.
@schussel: Salt cubes go in, sprites come out! (http://i54.tinypic.com/2zefb5u.png)
Post by: schussel on March 06, 2011, 02:48:43 pm
@schussel: Salt cubes go in, sprites come out! (http://i54.tinypic.com/2zefb5u.png)
wow so letme get some automatic belts prepared with massive amounts of empty bottles and aquire morelaunchers :)
where does it come out exactly? :)
and yay to new version
Post by: BulMaster on March 06, 2011, 03:04:35 pm
@schussel: Salt cubes go in, sprites come out! (http://i54.tinypic.com/2zefb5u.png)
wow so letme get some automatic belts prepared with massive amounts of empty bottles and aquire morelaunchers :)
where does it come out exactly? :)
and yay to new version
Here? :P
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2011, 03:08:54 pm
And yeah, this forum is the organ through which I excrete pixels. Read that as you wish.
Post by: Newbunkle on March 06, 2011, 03:09:05 pm
Thanks Ironhand!
Post by: Halnoth on March 06, 2011, 03:19:42 pm
Post by: schussel on March 06, 2011, 03:28:11 pm
@schussel: Salt cubes go in, sprites come out! (http://i54.tinypic.com/2zefb5u.png)
wow so letme get some automatic belts prepared with massive amounts of empty bottles and aquire morelaunchers :)
where does it come out exactly? :)
and yay to new version
Here? :P
i meant the sprite :) the liquid form of sprite .. aw nvm^^
Post by: dennislp3 on March 06, 2011, 04:08:22 pm
Go and get it. (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
And yeah, this forum is the organ through which I excrete pixels. Read that as you wish.
that's....awkward...
Post by: gtmattz on March 06, 2011, 04:20:49 pm
Post by: schussel on March 06, 2011, 04:35:42 pm
just sayin
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2011, 07:25:42 pm
Anyway, here's some screens (they're also going on the OP):
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2zez8kh.gif)
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2011, 07:41:58 pm
(http://i51.tinypic.com/286s6pw.png)
Post by: Aklyon on March 06, 2011, 07:49:12 pm
Heres another World Map for the OP as well:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2011, 07:56:30 pm
Post by: arkhometha on March 06, 2011, 10:45:15 pm
Post by: Ethicalfive on March 06, 2011, 11:11:51 pm
Post by: Niveras on March 06, 2011, 11:55:49 pm
Post by: arkhometha on March 07, 2011, 12:46:02 am
Post by: Thundrim on March 07, 2011, 01:04:29 am
And here's some dwarfs:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/286s6pw.png)
THA FINEST BUNCH O HEALTHY BEARDS IN ALL THA LAND!
Sorry about the outburst, it's been a while since I had a good session in WAR or LOTRO. ;)
Looks good. Brilliant screenies.
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Post by: schussel on March 07, 2011, 06:24:02 am
btw is there a map upload for the fortress in your screens? i kinda like some of the designs :)
Post by: scionreaver on March 07, 2011, 08:01:18 pm
I think you can download the .21 and the Ironhand update and install it this way, and get it working, since .21 didn't change the raws, I think, just some bug fixing in the hard coded part. At least that's what I'm doing and it's working like a charm.
I just tried this pack today. I imported my saves from a phoebus full install (4 regions and an empty current folder) and for some reason, regions 3 and 4 did not show up. I downloaded the original .21 and copied over the Ironhand update, then imported my saves, and everything is working fine.
Edit: No wait, cinnabar tiles were trees for some reason. But then I copied over the raws and everything was all good.
Post by: Ironhand on March 07, 2011, 08:32:51 pm
Also... .21! What the heck?
I just did this like yesterday.
But yeah, the raws are exactly the same.
The only file that's changed is the .exe.
I can upload a new version anyway, I guess.
Post by: Ironhand on March 07, 2011, 08:54:43 pm
I tried uploading the package to DFFD, and it choked on it for about 5 minutes and then gave up.
@schussel: I did manage to get a copy of my current fort onto dropbox, though: HERE (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/goldenpeaks.zip).
It's definitely not my best fort, and it's not a good fort by any standard, but I don't mind if you check it out.
I've been using those honey-comb dorms for a while now. They're pretty cool and amazingly efficient.
Post by: scionreaver on March 07, 2011, 09:50:59 pm
Post by: Rose on March 07, 2011, 10:54:53 pm
Post by: Minty on March 07, 2011, 11:00:13 pm
My own reply would go thusly: "Wait, you don't use Dwarf Therapist, scionreaver?"
Seriously. For anything over 7 dwarves, it's almost essential for me. Makes assigning/checking labours and skills a doddle.
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on March 08, 2011, 02:18:47 am
Post by: Diverso on March 08, 2011, 02:27:37 am
Post by: Amikron on March 08, 2011, 04:25:06 am
While I really enjoy this tileset, I just found something that's quite annoying for me. Labor categories that have only some activated labors(i.e. a default migrant with Healthcare - Feed Patients/Prisoners and Recovering Wounded activated) are the exact same shade as labor categories with absolutely no labors whatsoever activated. So when I look go to the labor page it's really hard to tell what dwarves have what labors activated unless the whole category has been enabled.
Couldn't this be fixed by changing the Grey colors to be a bit different in the color file?
Post by: scionreaver on March 08, 2011, 05:35:11 am
I think scionreaver's referring to the text-colours for assigned labour-categories, rather than the actual graphics/colour of the sprites.
My own reply would go thusly: "Wait, you don't use Dwarf Therapist, scionreaver?"
Seriously. For anything over 7 dwarves, it's almost essential for me. Makes assigning/checking labours and skills a doddle.
Funny you mention that, I actually just started using it because of the aforementioned problem lol. It's awesome except for like when it doesn't recognize a Wax Worker so you can't change his labors around :(
Post by: schussel on March 08, 2011, 05:52:21 am
*suddenly turns and launches a saltcube salvo towards the sleeping Llama* ha!
Post by: Ironhand on March 08, 2011, 08:42:05 am
Post by: Newbunkle on March 08, 2011, 08:55:30 am
Edit: The download is 27mb. Should I be concerned? :P
More Edit: The extra mb is due to a backup of goldenpeaks in the data folder. I guess it's safe to delete that part?
Post by: Starlight on March 08, 2011, 09:35:11 am
The following things have changed to something worse then what it originally was (my reference Ironhand version: Ironhand 0.491)..
- The selector symbol "X" is offset (not aligned to center of tile).
- Main Menu got ugly background.
- When I browse through dwarves in the "U" -menu, the names turn black (unable to see what it reads since the background is also black).
- The fish looks like meat now.
- In the labor screen/menu, if you have a dwarf with just a few professions in one area such as woodworking (like having Wood Cutting and nothing more), the text is not much different then the text with no professions at all.. This is kind of annoying..
- Traps are hard to see if it's loaded or not (similar color), also traps looks like a up arrow instead of traps icon.
Post by: Antonater on March 08, 2011, 11:34:00 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 08, 2011, 03:47:36 pm
The names turning black is not something I can fix.
That has been mentioned multiple times recently.
You can turn off TTF in data/dinit if you want.
The rest of this stuff I'll have fixed by the next version.
Post by: Ironhand on March 08, 2011, 04:23:46 pm
Also, new greens and greys, with the intention of being more distinguishable in menus.
Let me know what you think!
Post by: Gorfob on March 08, 2011, 05:40:29 pm
Post by: Slye_Fox on March 08, 2011, 07:48:23 pm
Just wondering if there's any point in getting the new IH version.
Post by: Niveras on March 08, 2011, 10:19:06 pm
I think a specific example is recognition of jugs that are in stockpiles for use in pressing honeycombs and making mead.
Although I still can't seem to cook royal jelly.
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on March 09, 2011, 12:54:42 am
No offence, mate, but that sounds masochistic :/.
No, i just don't need utilities to manage my forts :).
Post by: Starlight on March 09, 2011, 03:28:03 pm
But hey! This is a great tile-set.. 8)
--
But does any of you guys know anything about animals? The wiki claim that animals do not require food, but my animals are dying like mad of starvation.. "Stray Buck Rabbit (Tame) has starved to death.", it's not just rabbits mind you.. And I just captured 4 horses and tamed them.. Really cool!
Post by: Amikron on March 09, 2011, 03:37:57 pm
Post by: schussel on March 09, 2011, 03:59:59 pm
--
But does any of you guys know anything about animals? The wiki claim that animals do not require food, but my animals are dying like mad of starvation.. "Stray Buck Rabbit (Tame) has starved to death.", it's not just rabbits mind you.. And I just captured 4 horses and tamed them.. Really cool!
check pasture in the wiki .. or check that you read the right entry for the right version^^
Post by: scionreaver on March 10, 2011, 02:31:37 am
Alright, I did some bugfixes. Here's Ironhand 0.53 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511).
Also, new greens and greys, with the intention of being more distinguishable in menus.
Let me know what you think!
Haha, I'm surprised how quickly you solved my little labor issue. Even though I'm completely reliant on Dwarf Therapist now, I think it looks great.
Edit: Also, for this guy:
--
But does any of you guys know anything about animals? The wiki claim that animals do not require food, but my animals are dying like mad of starvation.. "Stray Buck Rabbit (Tame) has starved to death.", it's not just rabbits mind you.. And I just captured 4 horses and tamed them.. Really cool!
I used to have the same problem back in .19. I think that I just didn't have enough animal caretakers to feed the animals. However, as soon as I updated to .21, I immediately made a pasture (i --> n) and then Set Pen/Pasture Information (N) and assigned all the big animals (horses, cows, etc.) to it. I don't think a single one has starved since.
Post by: schussel on March 10, 2011, 06:43:05 am
Alright, I did some bugfixes. Here's Ironhand 0.53 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511).
Also, new greens and greys, with the intention of being more distinguishable in menus.
Let me know what you think!
Haha, I'm surprised how quickly you solved my little labor issue. Even though I'm completely reliant on Dwarf Therapist now, I think it looks great.
Edit: Also, for this guy:--
But does any of you guys know anything about animals? The wiki claim that animals do not require food, but my animals are dying like mad of starvation.. "Stray Buck Rabbit (Tame) has starved to death.", it's not just rabbits mind you.. And I just captured 4 horses and tamed them.. Really cool!
I used to have the same problem back in .19. I think that I just didn't have enough animal caretakers to feed the animals. However, as soon as I updated to .21, I immediately made a pasture (i --> n) and then Set Pen/Pasture Information (N) and assigned all the big animals (horses, cows, etc.) to it. I don't think a single one has starved since.
hopefully they didnt trample each othe rto death as they like to do now^^
Post by: Starlight on March 10, 2011, 09:50:51 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 10, 2011, 10:36:45 am
But if you don't tame animals at a kennels, they will remain wild and hostile.
Wild animals will usually avoid you if they can, but if they're cornered they become aggressive.
Post by: flieroflight on March 14, 2011, 11:53:15 am
Post by: Aklyon on March 14, 2011, 01:32:45 pm
Post by: Antonater on March 14, 2011, 02:08:27 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 14, 2011, 02:09:57 pm
Post by: Starlight on March 19, 2011, 10:00:04 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: gtmattz on March 19, 2011, 11:31:58 am
Post by: gtmattz on March 19, 2011, 11:55:18 am
Post by: Vince on March 19, 2011, 04:23:02 pm
Post by: BradUffner on March 20, 2011, 01:25:02 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 20, 2011, 09:19:47 am
Good catch, guys. Thanks!
Here's a fixed one for now:
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2d168p5.png)
Sorry about that.
Post by: leungclj on March 24, 2011, 09:40:08 am
Post by: dieffenbachj on March 24, 2011, 09:55:45 am
Post by: gtmattz on March 24, 2011, 10:01:28 am
Why?
Because we all love Ironhands graphics and cannot conceive of playing without them, thats why!
Post by: Nimrod on March 24, 2011, 10:20:10 am
Why?
Because we all love Ironhands graphics and cannot conceive of playing without them, thats why!
Word.
Post by: BulMaster on March 24, 2011, 11:04:41 am
Post by: dieffenbachj on March 24, 2011, 11:10:12 am
He has to wake up still though ;D
No excuse!
Post by: Nimrod on March 24, 2011, 12:17:59 pm
He has to wake up still though ;D
No excuse!
I got 6 Dwarves with missing Legs lying in my hospital. Without this update they will never walk again.
I am SO VERY close to just lock the doors ... you could help them ... you really could. You know you want to.
Post by: leungclj on March 24, 2011, 12:35:02 pm
He has to wake up still though ;D
No excuse!
I got 6 Dwarves with missing Legs lying in my hospital. Without this update they will never walk again.
I am SO VERY close to just lock the doors ... you could help them ... you really could. You know you want to.
after many months of taking a break from DF, i finally come back because i know my dwarves will finally walk once again, but, I must have the ironhand graphics set or i will cry QQ
Post by: schussel on March 24, 2011, 01:22:13 pm
To llama: that be one v22 modded and a personal gratification card please!!!
;D
Post by: Newbunkle on March 24, 2011, 02:09:13 pm
Oops! Did I type that out loud?
Post by: dieffenbachj on March 24, 2011, 03:09:41 pm
Hmm, if we kidnap Ironhand we can force him to update it as soon as a new version is released... [/pondering]
Oops! Did I type that out loud?
Wouldn't that time, effort, basement and bowls of food be better put to use on Toady, forcing him to finish all of the arcs ASAP? :P
Plus, it's fairly impractical to give him access to a computer with no internet, since how would we get the distributions otherwise? But if he had Internet he could call for help...
*shakes head* This plan is becoming more and more impractical.
Post by: Ironhand on March 24, 2011, 07:24:52 pm
This weekend though, definitely. Maybe even tomorrow evening.
I hope you'll all be able to survive until then!
Post by: seanb on March 24, 2011, 07:26:56 pm
sneaky sneaky, but i'm on to you!
F5, F5, F5... still nothing, hmmm.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 24, 2011, 07:27:13 pm
Llama McIronhand cancels mod update: Sleeping
Post by: Sfon on March 24, 2011, 08:19:36 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 09:57:55 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 24, 2011, 10:23:43 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 10:24:05 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 24, 2011, 10:25:43 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on March 24, 2011, 10:31:41 pm
"A Kobold Master Thief has stolen !!Buhtflawse, the Adamantine Thong!!"
Then puts it on his head because he's now a Legendary +5 Panty Pirate. Notice how it drapes over the eye.
YAARR!!
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 10:36:12 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on March 24, 2011, 10:37:24 pm
Post by: Girlinhat on March 24, 2011, 10:46:13 pm
Post by: Deon on March 25, 2011, 12:54:58 am
Also, right click picture, copy image location, open new tab, paste in address bar. You'll see that apparently, someone playing kobold fortress actually got their kobold to equip panties on their head. And it made him so proud too!No he didn't. He just made a hat called "panties".
Post by: Artanis00 on March 25, 2011, 02:52:56 am
Also, right click picture, copy image location, open new tab, paste in address bar. You'll see that apparently, someone playing kobold fortress actually got their kobold to equip panties on their head. And it made him so proud too!No he didn't. He just made a hat called "panties".
Wait. Wait wait wait wait wait wait.
They aren't hats?
Everything anime has taught me is wrong!
Post by: leungclj on March 25, 2011, 10:11:58 am
Also, right click picture, copy image location, open new tab, paste in address bar. You'll see that apparently, someone playing kobold fortress actually got their kobold to equip panties on their head. And it made him so proud too!No he didn't. He just made a hat called "panties".
Wait. Wait wait wait wait wait wait.
They aren't hats?
Everything anime has taught me is wrong!
Stocking?
anyone?
Post by: Ironhand on March 25, 2011, 11:32:47 am
THIS (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511) should hold you for now.
Sorry it wasn't sooner (and it doesn't have new graphics for the new critters!)
But I really don't have time right now (and maybe not even this weekend) to work on it.
However, over the next week I'm going to spend all my free time catching back up
with the new critters and also some old critters, and doing some other graphical fixing
(like brightening the backgrounds on critter tiles to match the new brighter tile set).
So get ready! In about a week, I will be releasing a major graphical update.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 25, 2011, 11:51:21 am
Post by: marcbyrne on March 25, 2011, 11:56:04 am
Post by: Nimrod on March 25, 2011, 11:57:34 am
Hey guys!
THIS (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511) should hold you for now.
Sorry it wasn't sooner (and it doesn't have new graphics for the new critters!)
But I really don't have time right now (and maybe not even this weekend) to work on it.
However, over the next week I'm going to spend all my free time catching back up
with the new critters and also some old critters, and doing some other graphical fixing
(like brightening the backgrounds on critter tiles to match the new brighter tile set).
So get ready! In about a week, I will be releasing a major graphical update.
I just fell a little in love with you.
Thank you for all your efforts!
Post by: Urist McAddict on March 25, 2011, 12:08:25 pm
I was using phoebus .22 and when i try that i get a Fatal error: "Missing material template : LEATHERY_EGGSHELL_TEMPLATE"
WTF?
How can i solve this?
Post by: dieffenbachj on March 25, 2011, 12:10:58 pm
Jesus. I'm normally a Phoebus-user. But this new version looks so spiffy, I may very well switch!
Yeah, I was a Mayday user until I discovered that Ironhand looks the best and most natural :P
Post by: Urist McAddict on March 25, 2011, 12:25:19 pm
Post by: schussel on March 25, 2011, 12:26:00 pm
Hey guys!*sets up sugarsaltcube-launcher and pulls trigger* yay for the bestestest llama ever! Thank you 1000times 8)
THIS (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511) should hold you for now.
Sorry it wasn't sooner (and it doesn't have new graphics for the new critters!)
But I really don't have time right now (and maybe not even this weekend) to work on it.
However, over the next week I'm going to spend all my free time catching back up
with the new critters and also some old critters, and doing some other graphical fixing
(like brightening the backgrounds on critter tiles to match the new brighter tile set).
So get ready! In about a week, I will be releasing a major graphical update.
Post by: Hammerstar on March 25, 2011, 12:49:37 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 25, 2011, 03:09:42 pm
Plus, he releases versions way faster. Like, bizarrely fast. It's kinda weird, really. = P
Anyway, thanks for all the compliments! They mean the world!
Post by: Aklyon on March 25, 2011, 04:03:18 pm
Hey, don't dis Phoebus. His graphics set is what got me going in the first place.And he has the savegame updater.
Plus, he releases versions way faster. Like, bizarrely fast. It's kinda weird, really. = P
Anyway, thanks for all the compliments! They mean the world!
Post by: Ironhand on March 25, 2011, 06:22:51 pm
Post by: Urist McAddict on March 26, 2011, 07:56:11 am
I didn't mean it like an offense or something, but he put some new things in the raw, like the leathery eggshell (WTH?), and you got to admit it, a little warning would reduce this kind of reaction. Kidding!
Anyways, i used to use his after mayday's, they're great, but... You know, t'was before you crazy lhama head broke into here and annihilated any chance for me to get work done with your pretty colors and great GS...
I'm thankful for all of you for crashing down my life =D
I'd kiss you, but i'm not into that kinda thing =P
Post by: Ironhand on March 26, 2011, 08:50:36 am
Still no new sprites.
Get it here! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
Post by: Deon on March 26, 2011, 08:53:44 am
Great work, Ironhand!
Post by: manboricua on March 26, 2011, 10:01:41 am
Post by: Newbunkle on March 26, 2011, 01:21:35 pm
Post by: Blah on March 26, 2011, 05:42:28 pm
Post by: gtmattz on March 26, 2011, 06:09:09 pm
I wish this amazing graphic set had diagonal walls.
I have thought this at times as well.
Post by: Ironhand on March 26, 2011, 06:28:01 pm
Post by: Patchy on March 26, 2011, 06:28:57 pm
I wish this amazing graphic set had diagonal walls.
I have thought this at times as well.
Yah, dunno how many times I've thought this as well. Pretty much the only reason I use Phoebus over Ironhands. I've even pestered Ironhand a few times about making some diagonal walls hehe.
Post by: Morwaul on March 26, 2011, 06:58:49 pm
Ironhand, maybe one of these days when there isn't an update coming out every other day and you get some free time you could make a second version with diagonals. Just something to let people try out to see whether they like it more than the current method. I would even be willing to help if you need it. I have both Fireworks and Photoshop and am fairly competent with them though I have never done a tile set/graphics set of any kind. I'm sure there is a guide somewhere that will walk me through the more complex parts. Of course, if you don't like diagonals there is not really any reason to pursue it. I'll be using your tile set/graphics set regardless.
btw, Thanks for all the work you do on this. We really appreciate it.
Post by: Ironhand on March 26, 2011, 08:18:39 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 26, 2011, 09:02:15 pm
(http://i56.tinypic.com/6elxeo.png)
That's a tasty little teaser of the goodness that is to come next weekend.
I have decided I want to CLEAN UP this tileset. There is going to be a drastic difference between
ROUGH STONE and SMOOTH STONE. It is going to be AWESOME. Are you excited? I am totally excited.
But wait, there's more!
When I built the new wall template, I also made some diagonal ones.
The problem is that diagonal walls will be skinnier than the straight ones.
But my own preferences aside, I am going to try and get them pretty,
and include diagonal walls in the next package as well.
Get psyched!
Post by: Morwaul on March 26, 2011, 09:12:59 pm
Get psyched!
3, 2, 1, .... PSYCHED!! Is it done yet? How about now? now? Ok, how about a beta? No, not the current release, a beta with all the walls already done...you know...a finished beta? ? How about now?
....now?
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 26, 2011, 09:14:01 pm
Post by: Hammerstar on March 26, 2011, 09:32:23 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on March 26, 2011, 09:44:50 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 26, 2011, 09:50:17 pm
I personally like the square ones better, but these will be included as a separate sheet from now on!
(http://i55.tinypic.com/20a55if.png)
Post by: dieffenbachj on March 26, 2011, 09:57:39 pm
What I want to see is some decent-looking coffins. I want something so smart-looking and unique that I will actually dedicate time and patience in creating an elaborate crypt, rather than simply being like "Oh, dwarves died? Eh... put their coffins in the cistern before we fill it up, then I won't have to look at the giant awkward 0's."
Bins and floodgates for that matter... giant X's look hella ugly. The hatch graphic would make a pretty decent floodgate, in my opinion--and while I haven't examined them too closely, the biscuit/random underground dot graphic could make a good bin.
But hey, I'm not the artist here (well, not for Dwarf Fortress anyway), and Ironhand has impressed me enough to leave it in his capable hands :P
* I apologize for the poor grammar. I will endeavor to speak properly on the Internet from now on.
Post by: dieffenbachj on March 26, 2011, 10:01:20 pm
Alright, here's what diagonal walls look like.
I personally like the square ones better, but these will be included as a separate sheet from now on!
(http://i55.tinypic.com/20a55if.png)
Those look pretty good. I wouldn't mind them being the standard, even if technically they are thinner when put at an angle :P
Post by: Patchy on March 26, 2011, 10:01:43 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on March 26, 2011, 10:18:10 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 26, 2011, 10:19:24 pm
(http://i55.tinypic.com/20a55if.png)
Some of those diagonals look pretty odd thanks to sudden shifts in which end is being "lit up".
The southwest-to-northeast direction diagonal wall near the bottom of the circle, for example, is lit from the southern side of the map, while the east-to-west wall to its left is lit from the north end.
It might work out better to pick a direction the light is coming from (like northeast, since that's where the light is on your other walls), and make southwest-to-northeast walls have a nuetral shading on both sides of the wall, and southeast-to-northwest walls have a more highly contrasted shading.
Post by: Morwaul on March 26, 2011, 10:20:45 pm
Post by: Jeoshua on March 26, 2011, 10:25:01 pm
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This would adequately simulate the light comming from top left of the screen, which is very standard for any art you'll ever see.
Post by: Patchy on March 26, 2011, 10:28:15 pm
Post by: Newbunkle on March 27, 2011, 05:22:03 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 08:19:16 am
I'd also like to request a pic of the walls with them double thick...
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2ihs31z.gif)
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 08:33:22 am
Some of those diagonals look pretty odd...
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2yxgnye.png)
Post by: Slugman on March 27, 2011, 08:58:45 am
I think a thanks from my side is long overdue. I greatly appreciate your efforts (and Wormslayers too of course) and to be honest without this tileset I probably wouldn't even be playing dwarf fortress anymore. You guys filled the gap for me when RantingRodent stopped supporting his tile set.
Post by: Aklyon on March 27, 2011, 09:00:43 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 11:13:58 am
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2ikxxcp.png)
Note all of the following:
- transitions from rough walls to smooth walls!
- pillars! with engravings when applicable!
- perfectly flat smooth floors (outside of room, around stairs)!
- engraved floors (inside room)!
What do you guys think of having flat floors?
Post by: Blah on March 27, 2011, 11:31:41 am
What do you guys think of having flat floors?
These smoothed floors look a bit too bland. The old ones are just fine. I prefer the old engraved floors as well (read: the ones in reply #3639).
Post by: Ethicalfive on March 27, 2011, 11:34:15 am
Post by: Ethicalfive on March 27, 2011, 11:40:19 am
The old tiles for smoothed floors look like constructed floors. If I wanted someone to smooth solid stone for me, I'd be pissed if they added in slab/paver like grooves aswell. Actually, does the smoothed tiles affect the constructed floor ones?
What do you guys think of having flat floors?
These smoothed floors look a bit too bland. The old ones are just fine. I prefer the old engraved floors as well (read: the ones in reply #3639).
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 11:50:29 am
Toady just churned out another bugfix.
Here's the package! (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
That's got both types of new wall tiles in there for you guys to try out if you want.
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 27, 2011, 12:01:16 pm
With the amount of blood, vomit, pus and ooze in a normal fortress, those grooves might be there for traction! Those floors are probably slippery.The old tiles for smoothed floors look like constructed floors. If I wanted someone to smooth solid stone for me, I'd be pissed if they added in slab/paver like grooves aswell. Actually, does the smoothed tiles affect the constructed floor ones?
What do you guys think of having flat floors?
These smoothed floors look a bit too bland. The old ones are just fine. I prefer the old engraved floors as well (read: the ones in reply #3639).
Post by: Vince on March 27, 2011, 12:49:02 pm
I second that. The rest is superb!These smoothed floors look a bit too bland.
What do you guys think of having flat floors?
Post by: Patchy on March 27, 2011, 01:35:59 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 01:46:03 pm
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2qwq1ck.png)
Post by: Deon on March 27, 2011, 01:54:04 pm
Post by: Niyazov on March 27, 2011, 01:54:37 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 01:57:43 pm
I think that's the same tile as we're using for Traction Benches.
No, the old ones were definitely better.
You think so, huh?
They look so messy! Don't they?
EDIT: Yeah, I guess they are pretty cool.
I'll leave them alone and do something else for now.
Post by: Deon on March 27, 2011, 02:01:02 pm
Post by: Patchy on March 27, 2011, 02:04:24 pm
Post by: Niyazov on March 27, 2011, 02:06:27 pm
Yeah, we didn't get to pick what tile was used for pots when Toady added them.
I think that's the same tile as we're using for Traction Benches.
At the risk of sounding picky or demanding, any given fortress will have at most half a dozen traction benches located in only one location (the hospital), but it could easily have hundreds of pots scattered through multiple z-levels. Under these circumstances wouldn't it make more sense for the icon to look like a pot?
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 03:23:04 pm
Especially because it would be totally reasonable for pots to appear in a hospital.
Plus, I don't really like the current traction bench tile anyway.
Hey WormSlayer! Are you around? = P
It would be great if you'd cook us up a big pot of awesome.
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 27, 2011, 05:17:10 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 05:22:36 pm
That's an awful tile to get right...
I'll keep messing with it.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 27, 2011, 05:26:12 pm
Thing about diagonal tiled floors is, if you are using the diagonal walls, it makes the corridor look all-the-more straight. If it were possible (either by smoothing or engraving both the floor and wall similarly) to make the floor/wall transition more seamless, I'd be the happiest dwarf ever.
Post by: Igfig on March 27, 2011, 05:26:37 pm
The rest of it looks awesome. I agree about keeping the old floors, though.
Post by: Niveras on March 27, 2011, 06:05:21 pm
I haven't had an opportunity to try out the pack since .21 (making my feedback pretty useless in retrospect). I just wanted to mention it since you seemed to be working on adjusting the tile set a little rather than simply updating compatibility
Post by: Lysabild on March 27, 2011, 06:50:18 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 07:05:30 pm
And the engraving on it is similar to the engravings on the new walls. I think you guys will like it.
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2011, 07:13:09 pm
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2ngfyg1.png)
That's the darkest and the lightest it'll get.
Note that engraving your hematite veins gives you red engravings!
How cool is that? I guess engravings just use the background color of the material.
White engravings on dark floors look the best, though, I think.
Post by: Igfig on March 27, 2011, 07:27:17 pm
I'm... not sure how I feel about the floor engravings yet. The pattern is fine in and of itself, and looks great on walls, but I worry that the details might be a bit too fine for floors. If I look at them from more than a foot or two away, they start to blur. Could you post a picture of a larger engraved area, maybe, so we can see how it looks on a larger scale?
Also, don't forget about the various material colour tags, like TILE_COLOR and the like. It's really easy to change the contrast of floors that way, if you need to.
Post by: Morwaul on March 27, 2011, 07:35:17 pm
Diagonal walls - Love Them
Engraved Walls - Love them, really awsome.
Smooth Walls - Not bad but not great. Wish they had more texture
Wall ends / Columns - Really don't like them. They look out of place with the circle thing in the middle. If you are going to go with the triangle look maybe you could do an wall end that is just an extension of it. Something like (http://i51.tinypic.com/6yziqf.png) if it is possible. If wall ends and columns are the same tile it will not work.
Multi tile walls. I do not know if there is a way around it but I find the little funnels everywhere really distracting. By Funnels I am talking about these (http://i55.tinypic.com/vcumjc.png) things.
Anyway, Love the changes and glad to see you making them.
-edit-
I played with the line tool in Fireworks some and came up with this (http://i56.tinypic.com/v49fcy.png) as a textured wall. I could not figure out how to make the bevel square though. I know you can do it way better than I and was just trying to figure out what might work. Something slightly textured (since the walls are smooth) to make it look nicer but no where close to as textured as the awesome engraved walls that you made already.
Post by: Phoebus on March 27, 2011, 09:13:25 pm
The first work I've done on DF tilesets was to improve someone else's tile that had diagonal walls with diagonal thickness problems.
You've drawn your diagonal walls using the red techique, you should use the green techique instead to gain 2 easy pixels of thickness:
(http://i.imgur.com/uUPsm.png)
Now, on a wide wall that won't be enough, so I've been thinking for while about using crenelation to thicken diagonal walls, the side benefit is that crenelated wall represent better the true nature of DF's walls: things can't move in that empty diagonal corner even if it looks empty.
So I've drawn mockups of various possible designs.
The first line has no core, the second line has a core that follows the external lines, the bottom line has a core that is straight.
White = Wall, Black = Floor, all of the sections are 5x5, you can outline the empty floor tiles from their black corners in the crenelated walls.
(http://i.imgur.com/jwLZ0.png)
So, I'm looking on everyone's opinion on which wall design they prefer, and why?
Thanks.
Edit: I've added square walls for comparison.
Post by: Morwaul on March 27, 2011, 09:28:38 pm
Column 1 - I like the diagonal walls better.
Column 2 - Cut outs are to big and the diagonal looks way thicker than the horizontal.
Column 3 - Still looks to thick.
Column 6 - Diagonals look to thin.
Row 1 - To plain. If it was textured it might be different but....
-edit -
You changed it on me...corrected.
Post by: Morwaul on March 27, 2011, 10:06:13 pm
(http://i53.tinypic.com/dcxwki.png)
-edit-
I made some different columns and redid it a bit. I don't know if these are usable or not (I know they would have to be broken up into tiles) but the goal of this was show Ironhand what I was thinking about a more textured smooth wall.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/30ms9i0.png) (http://i56.tinypic.com/2dkn5ox.png)
Anyway, that is enough with the little bitty squares for me. I will leave this pixel stuff to the pros.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 27, 2011, 10:43:01 pm
I like the crenelated walls, but they'd be better if each section of wall had them. That way we could visually see where tiles are without it appearing they're all separate pieces.
Replying to Phoebus in an Ironhand thread... weird
Post by: Urist Mcinternetuser on March 27, 2011, 11:07:51 pm
I apologize if this question is asked a lot.
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 02:00:25 am
(http://i.imgur.com/O9Ppn.png)
The light source is designed to be almost NE but a bit more to the north, so that NE-SW diagonals don't have the same color on each side, and it's not exactly NNE so that the N and NE walls don't have exactly the same color either. (Yes, I love pain!)
Also, I finally settled on crenelation width so that the diagonal walls and corridors seem to have about the same width.
I use GIMP, it's free. I also think it has everything that you need to do pixel art, but I'm not good at pixel art so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 28, 2011, 02:05:04 am
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 02:12:13 am
That's like... the perfect balance between straight and angled I've ever seen! What does the column end up like tho?I've not done the Ts, the + or the column yet. I've not done the engravings either.
I think I'll go with square (original Ironhand) for the Ts and +.
For the column I think I'll try to do a perfect octagon.
For the engravings... ... ... I suck at engravings.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 28, 2011, 02:13:00 am
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 03:18:24 am
Still no engravings, and I don't like my first version of the pillar. It won't work well as a wall ender, I'll have to go with a square design.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 28, 2011, 03:27:50 am
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 03:41:26 am
Square is definitively better.
Post by: Vince on March 28, 2011, 03:46:58 am
(http://i.imgur.com/Dz23s.png)I love this!
Square is definitively better.
About the engraved floor: The detail is a bit too much, like already said.
Maybe if only the jointings get "engraved" (red/white/.... instead of default dark gray)? I know this doesn't make sense, but it could look better and would be more distinguishable.
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 04:06:44 am
Here's my first attempt at floor engravings.
Only the stone surface is engraved, not the filling inbetween.
Engravings can't remove color, they can only add some.
Putting engravings in the cracks will make the cracks either brighter or of a similar brightness to the stones, and that I think that would be an eyesore. (It's also hard, and I'm tired. :P )
Post by: Newbunkle on March 28, 2011, 06:43:45 am
Though when it comes down to it, I'm a pretty square guy.
Post by: MiniMacker on March 28, 2011, 06:56:35 am
Ironhand has completed Sexywalls, the Magical Pixels of Stone.
(http://i56.tinypic.com/6elxeo.png)
The above was the best, I'd have to say. It didn't have soft edges or rounded corners. It was edged, flimsy and rough, just like the beard of a Dwarf.
I don't understand why these Elves are so obsessed with harmless, blunt edges and diagonal walls.
Edit : It ain't Dwarf enough until you can poke your eyes out from it.
Post by: Raging Mouse on March 28, 2011, 06:59:21 am
Post by: ironhand_fan on March 28, 2011, 07:04:57 am
(http://i.imgur.com/vPHSG.png)
Here's my first attempt at floor engravings.
Only the stone surface is engraved, not the filling inbetween.
Engravings can't remove color, they can only add some.
Putting engravings in the cracks will make the cracks either brighter or of a similar brightness to the stones, and that I think that would be an eyesore. (It's also hard, and I'm tired. :P )
This engraving is just perfect. Ironhand, take notice :)
Have used the set for ages, this is awesome.
Post by: Savaril on March 28, 2011, 07:10:50 am
You think so, huh?
They look so messy! Don't they?
Yeah. The old walls looked messy (but great) too. They are supposed to be. We're dwarves, not elves, damnit.
Post by: Newbunkle on March 28, 2011, 07:17:50 am
Post by: Vince on March 28, 2011, 07:19:37 am
(http://i.imgur.com/vPHSG.png)Nice!
I wonder how this would look without the black outline of the walls.
Post by: Newbunkle on March 28, 2011, 07:28:14 am
Post by: KillHour on March 28, 2011, 07:33:44 am
(http://i.imgur.com/2IUPN.png)
Post by: MaXMC on March 28, 2011, 08:18:02 am
By the way, I like the new smooth floors, though I wish they'd be a bit brighter. I could barely see them on my monitor because they looked black. It was only when I copied the pic and zoomed in that I could make them out.
It's a common problem with Ironhand's graphics. If you have a properly calibrated monitor it will look too dark to use. It's really too bad that we can't have a gamma option in-game, that would make this problem go away.
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 08:52:21 am
Phoebus! Gah! Welcome! I'm humbled.
Also, those walls are beautiful.
But it's not a real tileset, is it?
It won't be possible to make a black outline
without a black dot in the middle of multi-walls.
So I'm gonna try it without the black outlines and see how it looks.
Still, that is five kinds of awesome! Thanks so much for the lesson!
Also, those engravings are uber hot, too. You are the freaking DWARF.
I agree there could be some texture to the walls. I'll get on it tonight.
I gotta run!
Post by: Ethicalfive on March 28, 2011, 09:54:32 am
(http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/8629/irph.png)
Also, if noone claims the kinked wall style, i think im going to base a tileset around it, if it's cool with you guys.
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 28, 2011, 09:59:14 am
(http://i.imgur.com/vPHSG.png)Ironhand, please steal this. :D
Here's my first attempt at floor engravings.
Only the stone surface is engraved, not the filling inbetween.
Engravings can't remove color, they can only add some.
Putting engravings in the cracks will make the cracks either brighter or of a similar brightness to the stones, and that I think that would be an eyesore. (It's also hard, and I'm tired. :P )
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 10:18:08 am
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 11:13:19 am
Holy crap, look at all the stuff I've missed!Yes, it is a tileset, it's just not complete and it's easier to work on while it's placed that way, but it is a 18x18 customizable multi-layered tileset.
Phoebus! Gah! Welcome! I'm humbled.
Also, those walls are beautiful.
But it's not a real tileset, is it?
It won't be possible to make a black outline
without a black dot in the middle of multi-walls.
So I'm gonna try it without the black outlines and see how it looks.
Still, that is five kinds of awesome! Thanks so much for the lesson!
Also, those engravings are uber hot, too. You are the freaking DWARF.
I agree there could be some texture to the walls. I'll get on it tonight.
I gotta run!
There's a Brightness filter (to darken the whole thing), there's a luminosity filter (to control the strength of directional shadows), there's a color ratio filter (to control color & ratio between foreground and background colors), and an engraving filter (to control where the background can shine through.)
I'll convert it to DF's layout and ship it to you.
Post by: Saiko Kila on March 28, 2011, 11:49:08 am
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 12:14:01 pm
Crenelated Walls Tileset.xcf @ MediaFire (http://www.mediafire.com/?4rf9eakak8klf68)
I've patched up an alt Ironhand tileset just to check up on if it works:
(http://i.imgur.com/S46rk.png)
It works... ;)
Post by: schussel on March 28, 2011, 12:51:32 pm
*begins to launch delicious carp sushi at phoebus* good work dude :)
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 28, 2011, 01:27:00 pm
Post by: gtmattz on March 28, 2011, 01:29:58 pm
I don't look at this thread for a couple days and I come back to all this!
Looking good, cant wait to see the finished products.
Post by: BulMaster on March 28, 2011, 01:35:51 pm
Post by: Patchy on March 28, 2011, 02:12:04 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 28, 2011, 02:52:53 pm
Post by: Newbunkle on March 28, 2011, 03:01:00 pm
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 03:24:06 pm
I like Phoebus', but the walls look a bit odd with the crennellations or whatever (the little dents that make it look curvy-ish).I know of 3 solutions for those corners:
1. Keep them without black dots in those corners and never mind.
2. Add a black dot in those corners making the corners squared, but that will add 2x2 black squares in the middle of 2+ thickness walls.
3. Remove all black borders around walls. (Has not been drawn yet.)
Spoiler: No Black Dots Vs. Black Dots (click to show/hide)
Post by: Newbunkle on March 28, 2011, 03:31:03 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 28, 2011, 03:32:30 pm
I think they're sexier without holes.
Post by: Sfon on March 28, 2011, 04:21:50 pm
Those gaps between the magma and the walls would get my OCD raging if I had to play with it like that.
I'm even worse. What drives me nuts about diagonal walls is the floor they make on the level above is still square. Before using Ironhand I would mod Phoebus's to have square walls just so that their tops and sides would be the same shape. I could not even deal with it long enough to notice the problem with fluids.
Post by: Phoebus on March 28, 2011, 04:31:08 pm
I wasn't aware some players hated diagonal walls that much. :-\Those gaps between the magma and the walls would get my OCD raging if I had to play with it like that.
I'm even worse. What drives me nuts about diagonal walls is the floor they make on the level above is still square. Before using Ironhand I would mod Phoebus's to have square walls just so that their tops and sides would be the same shape. I could not even deal with it long enough to notice the problem with fluids.
Post by: Aklyon on March 28, 2011, 04:32:03 pm
Post by: Lysabild on March 28, 2011, 04:48:50 pm
I wasn't aware some players hated diagonal walls that much. :-\Those gaps between the magma and the walls would get my OCD raging if I had to play with it like that.
I'm even worse. What drives me nuts about diagonal walls is the floor they make on the level above is still square. Before using Ironhand I would mod Phoebus's to have square walls just so that their tops and sides would be the same shape. I could not even deal with it long enough to notice the problem with fluids.
My problem is that I hate and love them, it's just that they don't feel consistent because of mentioned visible problems. I want to use the diogonal walls because they look awesomer, but these quirks make me end up with straight walls everytime.
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 05:43:33 pm
Use 0.56 for now. I'm working on making awesome new diagonal walls based on Phoebus'.
There will be new texture, too, which will also go on the square walls.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2i0gnsx.png)
Post by: Jeoshua on March 28, 2011, 05:48:29 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 28, 2011, 05:52:39 pm
I'm super psyched that you guys have worked together. I love the new look. Any idea on when we'll be able to download this pack?or at least the walls portion?
Post by: Scaraban on March 28, 2011, 05:54:40 pm
I don't believe this sentence will make near as much sense out of context...I think they're sexier without holes.
Post by: Morwaul on March 28, 2011, 06:04:52 pm
Ironhand and Phobeus: Beautiful. Thanks for going through all this trouble. Thanks for working together. Thanks for the awesomeness you both bring to the game.
Ironhand: These (http://i54.tinypic.com/2i0gnsx.png) are incredible. The texture is perfect. They both look good but I have no clue how you made the one on the left which should earn you a Dwarven Architect Award. It is perfect.
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 06:06:43 pm
Update: I have now made a square set to match them!
Now for engravings.
I'm super psyched that you guys have worked together. I love the new look. Any idea on when we'll be able to download this pack?or at least the walls portion?
Tonight. Maybe an hour, tops.
Post by: DaJonkel on March 28, 2011, 06:12:14 pm
Soon we'll need actual videocards.
*secret hidden message to check what time the forums have atm*
Edit: Aww was hoping no one had posted for an hour and it was almost time.
Post by: Baughn on March 28, 2011, 06:34:19 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 06:36:47 pm
It is good to see you, too, though. = P
Post by: Baughn on March 28, 2011, 06:37:48 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 28, 2011, 06:40:18 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 06:42:05 pm
Works perfectly now, near as I can tell. :D
(http://i56.tinypic.com/29dfds0.png)
I know that's not your avatar any more, but it still applies.
For those who don't know, this means:
- BRIGHT, SWIRLY WATER IS BACK
- COFFINS
- HILLS and VALLEYS
- WORKSHOP TILES
- and so much more!
Post by: Baughn on March 28, 2011, 06:44:48 pm
Post by: Patchy on March 28, 2011, 06:46:12 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh dear.... I'm a sucker for cute. *Saves*
Post by: Baughn on March 28, 2011, 06:46:21 pm
So the black on black highlighted unit in the unit list bug is fixed, baughn?Sure, now it's grey on grey.
...
I'll get right on that. Nobody ever tells me anything.. *blush*
Post by: Shandra on March 28, 2011, 06:53:25 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 07:00:32 pm
I've finished the new straight wall engravings, though. They are even better than before!
Also, I'm still not happy with anything I've done for the floor tiles... I'm getting there, though.
Post by: Lysabild on March 28, 2011, 07:04:13 pm
Post by: Baughn on March 28, 2011, 07:25:07 pm
This appears to be a problem with TTF/ToadyUI interaction. Most likely fix is a two-line change on Toady's side, so let's hope for the best.So the black on black highlighted unit in the unit list bug is fixed, baughn?Sure, now it's grey on grey.
...
I'll get right on that. Nobody ever tells me anything.. *blush*
Post by: Newbunkle on March 28, 2011, 07:36:37 pm
I don't believe this sentence will make near as much sense out of context...I think they're sexier without holes.
I guess I should count myself lucky that nobody's going to quote me then.
BTW, Ironhand, those walls are amazing. Are you and Phoebus teaming up for some kind of superpack?
Post by: Greendogo on March 28, 2011, 07:43:54 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ironhand, you are ridiculous if you drew that in four minutes and seventeen seconds. But of course I already knew that. Congratulations on all of the recent progress, it is very exciting!!
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 07:47:31 pm
Ironhand, you are ridiculous if you drew that in four minutes and seventeen seconds.
Nah, I had it sitting around from back when he started working on the tile picking stuff. Notice it's not even his current avatar.
Are you and Phoebus teaming up for some kind of superpack?
I said from the beginning that this was a pack FOR and BY everybody.
That we would use whatever everybody likes, and that anybody can contribute if they want to.
Everybody includes Phoebus.
--
GAH!
I just loaded up some tilesets with my awesome new walls,
and realized that I totally screwed up some of the engraving segments.
BLAAAARG!
I'mma go fix it.
This will be released tonight, though. I promise!
Post by: dieffenbachj on March 28, 2011, 08:20:49 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 08:26:03 pm
It seems that the fates are conspiring against this release.
But we are almost there!
I'm downloading the new version now and updating raws.
Then I just need to make the new smooth-rough transitions, and we'll be good to go!
Post by: Lysabild on March 28, 2011, 08:28:19 pm
Just got back inside from a dorm fire drill. = P
It seems that the fates are conspiring against this release.
But we are almost there!
I'm downloading the new version now and updating raws.
Then I just need to make the new smooth-rough transitions, and we'll be good to go!
You are a wonderful smexy Llama!
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 08:44:25 pm
When I said they'd include rough-smooth transitions, I lied.
The ones in there are the old ones, so they look bad right now.
I will fix them tomorrow.
Remember, all this stuff is really just pre-releases for Friday.
(That's when you'll get all the new critters and stuff... which aren't done yet)
But yeah, the new walls are in there, for the most part.
If you want to use diagonal ones, either go into data/art and switch the name of "ironhand_diagonal.png" to just "ironhand.png"
OR go into data/init/init.txt and switch all instances of "ironhand.png" to "ironhand_diagonal.png".
Enjoy!
EDIT: Also tomorrow, I'm going to explain a new tile magic technique that I'm using now on the TILE MAGIC thread.
So if you're a pixel art developer, you should totally drop by and check it out. That'll be afternoon or evening sometime.
Post by: LordBadger on March 28, 2011, 09:04:31 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 28, 2011, 09:08:48 pm
I'm happy you're happy.
Post by: Jeoshua on March 28, 2011, 10:24:18 pm
I'm amazed that basically all of DF that is great is going through this amazing update cycle here. Truly we live in great times.
Post by: Rushmik on March 28, 2011, 10:31:59 pm
Anyone mind posting a screenshot? I'm at work right now with no access to DF.
<Also posting to follow>
Post by: Artanis00 on March 29, 2011, 02:33:49 am
As long as Baughn is floating around, any updates on the tile shaders you were working on? There were those comments about liquids not being flush with diagonal walls and square floors on top of diagonal walls, and I couldn't help but think the tile shaders could solve that.
Spoiler: Ironhand hugging Yuno Gasai (click to show/hide)
I just want to point out that Yuno Gasai (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MiraiNikki) is an infamous yandere (she's the freaking image for the yandere page (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Yandere)) and is fully capable of cold-blooded murder (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UNDERSTATEMENT). You really, really shouldn't hug her.
Post by: Baughn on March 29, 2011, 03:02:49 am
The shaders, eh..
I'd say half done? I had a prototype working, but it got so completely unmaintainable (and not TTF-compatible) that I pretty much have to rearchitecture the drawing code entirely. This is not a major problem, however, and does not mean you'll have to wait another year. I'll have it out within a month, probably sooner.
I also think I'm going to cut the drawing modes down to just 2D and shader. It's been a while since last time, and basically everything supports shader mode now, including the in-CPU shading units in my new laptop. :P
Post by: Artanis00 on March 29, 2011, 03:28:53 am
Yes, hug Recette instead. She's fine with it. ^_^
The shaders, eh..
I'd say half done? I had a prototype working, but it got so completely unmaintainable (and not TTF-compatible) that I pretty much have to rearchitecture the drawing code entirely. This is not a major problem, however, and does not mean you'll have to wait another year. I'll have it out within a month, probably sooner.
I also think I'm going to cut the drawing modes down to just 2D and shader. It's been a while since last time, and basically everything supports shader mode now, including the in-CPU shading units in my new laptop. :P
I was wondering where you had gotten the new avatar. Recettear, right? That looks like a fun game. I'll have to look into that.
Good to hear they are still being worked on. I'm going to ignore you said anything regarding when it would be ready, though; These kind of things, going with a simple tautology is best I think.
Post by: Ethicalfive on March 29, 2011, 07:01:28 am
Oh oh, new walls? :D(http://img.ie/507b6.png)
Anyone mind posting a screenshot? I'm at work right now with no access to DF.
<Also posting to follow>
Hope the image isnt too large..
Edit: Image quality better now (though much bigger file size :/ ) Thanks for the tips Japa!
Post by: BulMaster on March 29, 2011, 07:23:44 am
Post by: muty on March 29, 2011, 07:29:51 am
Yes, hug Recette instead. She's fine with it. ^_^
The shaders, eh..
I'd say half done? I had a prototype working, but it got so completely unmaintainable (and not TTF-compatible) that I pretty much have to rearchitecture the drawing code entirely. This is not a major problem, however, and does not mean you'll have to wait another year. I'll have it out within a month, probably sooner.
I also think I'm going to cut the drawing modes down to just 2D and shader. It's been a while since last time, and basically everything supports shader mode now, including the in-CPU shading units in my new laptop. :P
That's some very good news :)
Post by: HeliumFreak on March 29, 2011, 07:55:04 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Baughn's back :o The Google Man himself
Post by: Rushmik on March 29, 2011, 08:12:28 am
Oh oh, new walls? :D
Anyone mind posting a screenshot? I'm at work right now with no access to DF.
<Also posting to follow>Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hope the image isnt too large.. And no matter how I try and save it, the image looses quality.. Argh!
Win. My only gripe with this pack was the straight-edged walls.
Honestly, this pack has changed me from "Holy cow this game's ugly" to "Gosh I love my fat little dwarves."
Post by: Ethicalfive on March 29, 2011, 08:25:47 am
Interesting design you got there :) too many stairs for my liking but nice enough. Also there is a diagonal version of the walls which might look a bit better on that screen.
That is the diagnal walls version! :P The floor above is a vast storage area, I find the extra stairs helps them get to/from the stockpiles faster.(though Maybe I should have done 3x1 stairs on the outer edges..)
Quote from: Rushmik
Honestly, this pack has changed me from "Holy cow this game's ugly" to "Gosh I love my fat little dwarves."
I'm loving the new walls and floors too! Great job ironhand & phoebus! Only problem is now im so torn between the two packs :/
Post by: Starlight on March 29, 2011, 08:52:26 am
Notice the crate/"barrel"/%-tile in the stonewall next to the coffin, down in the middle. It's misaligned, too.That is because I pasted the tomb in the picture from a different Z level using GIMP.. So the % are fine..
I'm exited to see all the great changes to this tileset and diagonal walls and all.. Though I'll stick to square ones I think..
Great work! ;D
Post by: Rose on March 29, 2011, 09:04:06 am
Hope the image isnt too large.. And no matter how I try and save it, the image looses quality.. Argh!
Step one: save the image as PNG.
Step two: Read my sig.
Post by: Ethicalfive on March 29, 2011, 10:54:37 am
Cheers Japa, picture updated. It's a little better, though the file size is doubled!Hope the image isnt too large.. And no matter how I try and save it, the image looses quality.. Argh!
Step one: save the image as PNG.
Step two: Read my sig.
Anyone else want to throw up some pictures of the beautiful tileset updates? I feel naked and alone!
@Baughn or Ironhand: Theres an issue with the TTfonts when you save an embark party where the cursor spacing is wrong, like it'll run 2 or 3 spaces ahead, so looks like you've added spaces.. hmm like:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Durandir on March 29, 2011, 11:00:10 am
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9583738/Dwarf%20Fortress/missingletters.jpg)
As you can see, they show up as a square, and one name there is totally cut off after the missing letter. Whenever there is something with that dwarf in the announcements, the entire line is gone. Anyone know how I can fix this?
I tried my save both in my "tileset only" folder of DF, and a newly downloaded "full download". Can it be a file I need to fix in my save? I do not know much about tilesets, so all help is appreciated really.
Post by: MasterofYoda on March 29, 2011, 11:26:19 am
Post by: Deon on March 29, 2011, 11:29:13 am
Hi, love this tileset! Finally started playing DF again after a long break, and there are so much to re-learn. Used to use MayDay's tileset, but will use this from now on. But I have a problem with it. Special characters like ò and é does not show up.Replace all language_*.txt files, it should fix it.
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9583738/Dwarf%20Fortress/missingletters.jpg)
As you can see, they show up as a square, and one name there is totally cut off after the missing letter. Whenever there is something with that dwarf in the announcements, the entire line is gone. Anyone know how I can fix this?
I tried my save both in my "tileset only" folder of DF, and a newly downloaded "full download". Can it be a file I need to fix in my save? I do not know much about tilesets, so all help is appreciated really.
Post by: Lemunde on March 29, 2011, 11:49:58 am
Post by: Phoebus on March 29, 2011, 12:54:37 pm
Is there a purpose for the tile in row 3, column 1 in the tileset? It's just a black box. It makes certain text have annoying black spaces between them. I edited it out, it looks fine and I'm not noticing any ill effects.That would be the space tile. It's used everywhere in the game.
For some reason Ironhand decided to make the tile pure black instead of transparent. That I do not understand why.
I always keep that tile with the same background as letters for the reason you listed.
Your action should not cause any problems.
Post by: schussel on March 29, 2011, 01:05:29 pm
i even reconfigure the new diagonal version again to just play 30 min :)
yay
Post by: Baughn on March 29, 2011, 01:18:15 pm
Hi, love this tileset! Finally started playing DF again after a long break, and there are so much to re-learn. Used to use MayDay's tileset, but will use this from now on. But I have a problem with it. Special characters like ò and é does not show up.This is a bug in libgraphics, which was fixed in .26
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9583738/Dwarf%20Fortress/missingletters.jpg)
As you can see, they show up as a square, and one name there is totally cut off after the missing letter. Whenever there is something with that dwarf in the announcements, the entire line is gone. Anyone know how I can fix this?
I tried my save both in my "tileset only" folder of DF, and a newly downloaded "full download". Can it be a file I need to fix in my save? I do not know much about tilesets, so all help is appreciated really.
Post by: Ironhand on March 29, 2011, 01:23:17 pm
Is there a purpose for the tile in row 3, column 1 in the tileset? It's just a black box. It makes certain text have annoying black spaces between them. I edited it out, it looks fine and I'm not noticing any ill effects.That would be the space tile. It's used everywhere in the game.
For some reason Ironhand decided to make the tile pure black instead of transparent. That I do not understand why.
I always keep that tile with the same background as letters for the reason you listed.
Your action should not cause any problems.
Oh, right. Yeah, it should just be empty.
Thanks for the catch. It'll be updated for the next version.
Eeeeeeeeee, I can't wait for .26! It's gonna be so awesome.
Post by: Phoebus on March 29, 2011, 01:23:51 pm
Was fixed? .26?Hi, love this tileset! Finally started playing DF again after a long break, and there are so much to re-learn. Used to use MayDay's tileset, but will use this from now on. But I have a problem with it. Special characters like ò and é does not show up.This is a bug in libgraphics, which was fixed in .26As you can see, they show up as a square, and one name there is totally cut off after the missing letter. Whenever there is something with that dwarf in the announcements, the entire line is gone. Anyone know how I can fix this?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I tried my save both in my "tileset only" folder of DF, and a newly downloaded "full download". Can it be a file I need to fix in my save? I do not know much about tilesets, so all help is appreciated really.
Suddenly, I'm jealous.
Post by: Durandir on March 29, 2011, 03:30:30 pm
This is a bug in libgraphics, which was fixed in .26
Ah, I see. Thanks for the info. Waiting for .26 then :D
Post by: Baughn on March 29, 2011, 03:42:58 pm
This doesn't mean it isn't a heck of a lot better than in .25, but there are still occasional glitches, like the unit list. Not much I can do about them from here, unfortunately..
So you'll need to tell people to explicitly turn it on, I guess.
Post by: Morwaul on March 29, 2011, 04:03:38 pm
I want to start a new game with your .25 but not if I have to start another new game when you release the new graphics this weekend. Will I have to gen a new world and start over or be able to just update it and keep going?
Post by: Baughn on March 29, 2011, 04:06:36 pm
I'll use the space tile as background image for text. Because otherwise the menu just doesn't look that nice at all. Geez.
Post by: Baughn on March 29, 2011, 04:07:16 pm
IronhandYou should basically never need to regen for a minor update, certainly not a *graphics* update. Just copy over the savegame, and off you go.
I want to start a new game with your .25 but not if I have to start another new game when you release the new graphics this weekend. Will I have to gen a new world and start over or be able to just update it and keep going?
Post by: Theodolus on March 29, 2011, 04:21:56 pm
Post by: Baughn on March 29, 2011, 05:49:16 pm
Post by: AD on March 29, 2011, 06:28:05 pm
Actually - ironhand, Toady doesn't seem to feel the truetype support is ready to be on by default.
This doesn't mean it isn't a heck of a lot better than in .25, but there are still occasional glitches, like the unit list. Not much I can do about them from here, unfortunately..
So you'll need to tell people to explicitly turn it on, I guess.
Can I ask if the cause for the TTF (linux) segfault on the aimed attack menu has been discovered?
Post by: Baughn on March 29, 2011, 07:12:14 pm
Post by: Saiko Kila on March 30, 2011, 05:24:21 am
Post by: AD on March 30, 2011, 06:22:17 am
I couldn't make it happen. What are the conditions, precisely?Interesting. Let me get a fresh install of 10.04 to isolate some variables.
...and done.
Ubuntu 10.04
-VirtualBox guest extensions installed
-libSDL_image-1.2 installed
-libSDL_TTF-2.0 installed
DF version .25
- [TRUETYPE:YES]
- Launch via command line
- World gen, default
- New game, Adventure mode
- Stats don't matter, just hit enter until you're in-game
- Walk up to the first person you see
- "A"
- select a target (Alt+y as needed)
Poof, segmentation fault.
Post by: Vince on March 30, 2011, 06:38:35 am
Oh oh, new walls? :D(http://img.ie/507b6.png)
Anyone mind posting a screenshot? I'm at work right now with no access to DF.
<Also posting to follow>
Hope the image isnt too large..
Edit: Image quality better now (though much bigger file size :/ ) Thanks for the tips Japa!
Wow, that's gorgeous! Can someone post a screenshot with non-diagonal walls, please? I'd like to see that.
(Yes, I'm one of the few that can't really stand the tiny bits of floor on the "wrong" side of the wall. ;D )
Post by: Baughn on March 30, 2011, 01:50:05 pm
Post by: Lysabild on March 30, 2011, 01:58:17 pm
In lieu of making truetype on by default, I'm letting you turn it on and off while the game is running, probably by pressing F12. Should be fine, yes?Sounds fine to me :)
Post by: forsaken1111 on March 30, 2011, 02:02:55 pm
I also demand that F11 cause my computer to dispense cookies.In lieu of making truetype on by default, I'm letting you turn it on and off while the game is running, probably by pressing F12. Should be fine, yes?Sounds fine to me :)
Post by: KillHour on March 30, 2011, 05:05:17 pm
Here's what I have so far:
(http://i.imgur.com/CybBy.png)
Post by: Phoebus on March 30, 2011, 05:13:39 pm
How do you make engravings show up properly? I tried making them 50% transparent, but they show up when the wall isn't engraved, and don't show up when the wall is. >:(If you don't want to go insane you'll need to use layers.
Here's what I have so far:
(http://i.imgur.com/CybBy.png)
Put your non-engraved wall layer on top of a black layer, and reduce the opacity of the wall layer slightly (75% is nice.)
Then, to create your engraving, you just need to delete black pixels from the underlying black layer.
Post by: devek on March 30, 2011, 05:22:09 pm
In lieu of making truetype on by default, I'm letting you turn it on and off while the game is running, probably by pressing F12. Should be fine, yes?
Oh, and maybe have alt-f4 close dwarf fortress? :)
Post by: Ironhand on March 30, 2011, 05:42:28 pm
Phoebus' solution
Oh yeah, I was gonna put up my solution on the tile magic thread yesterday.
But I didn't.
No guarantees even, really. I'm totally booked right now.
But I will eventually.
The method I use doesn't make you darken your wall any, which is nice,
but it's also just plain more work than Phoebus' way.
Anyway, yeah, I have TONS of crap to do right now.
I can't promise the new critters for Friday. But by the end of the weekend, definitely!
I've gotta go catch up on school work.... : (
Post by: AD on March 30, 2011, 06:52:26 pm
In lieu of making truetype on by default, I'm letting you turn it on and off while the game is running, probably by pressing F12. Should be fine, yes?
Quite fine, sir or madam, quite fine indeed.
It menaces with spikes of elegance.
Post by: Aklyon on March 30, 2011, 06:55:05 pm
That seems rather good, Baughn. Turn it off for the unit list so they're visible, then turn it back on for everything else.In lieu of making truetype on by default, I'm letting you turn it on and off while the game is running, probably by pressing F12. Should be fine, yes?
Quite fine, sir or madam, quite fine indeed.
It menaces with spikes of elegance.
It menaces with spikes of usefulness.
Post by: Ironhand on March 30, 2011, 07:38:44 pm
Also, then I would have a chance of catching up, too. = P
Post by: narhiril on March 30, 2011, 08:06:32 pm
I still wish he'd just fix TTF. Honestly, I'd rather the game catch up with itself for a month before it goes running off after new goals...
Also, then I would have a chance of catching up, too. = P
To be honest, I haven't updated your tileset for ages because I can't live without the old water depth tiles.
The new walls are pretty, but not worth the sea of numbers for me.
Post by: KillHour on March 30, 2011, 09:44:45 pm
If you don't want to go insane you'll need to use layers.
Put your non-engraved wall layer on top of a black layer, and reduce the opacity of the wall layer slightly (75% is nice.)
Then, to create your engraving, you just need to delete black pixels from the underlying black layer.
Thanks, this works great. Only one problem, the Morian clusters in the middle show up as black on black. Any idea how to fix this?
(http://i.imgur.com/Cymjz.png)
Post by: gtmattz on March 30, 2011, 09:46:43 pm
Post by: Phoebus on March 30, 2011, 09:51:51 pm
You'll need to edit the raws to fix that. Find the correct material in the raws and make sure the color isn't 0:?:0 (Black), 7:?:0 is dark grey so that should be a fine replacement.If you don't want to go insane you'll need to use layers.
Put your non-engraved wall layer on top of a black layer, and reduce the opacity of the wall layer slightly (75% is nice.)
Then, to create your engraving, you just need to delete black pixels from the underlying black layer.
Thanks, this works great. Only one problem, the Morian clusters in the middle show up as black on black. Any idea how to fix this?
Nice wall design btw.
Post by: KillHour on March 30, 2011, 09:52:46 pm
Post by: Phoebus on March 30, 2011, 09:58:33 pm
Why wasn't this a problem with the other walls then?It is a problem with the other walls; That is one of the (many) reasons why graphic sets come with modified raws.
Post by: KillHour on March 30, 2011, 09:59:42 pm
Post by: Phoebus on March 30, 2011, 10:09:21 pm
That's odd, since I'm using the most recent full package from Ironhand.You've probably never smoothed morion gem walls before while using Ironhand's.
Ironhand's graphic set has Morion foreground color set to Black.
[INORGANIC:MORION]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:2][DISPLAY_COLOR:0:15:0][TILE:163][IS_GEM:morion:STP:OVERWRITE_SOLID]
[ENVIRONMENT:ALL_STONE:CLUSTER_SMALL:100]
Post by: KillHour on March 30, 2011, 10:16:11 pm
Post by: Slye_Fox on March 30, 2011, 10:20:48 pm
I sorely miss the swirly waters, I would love if they came back. If it is an issue with people, it could even be an alternate choice, kinda like diagonal walls are now.
Just add them in yourself, it's easy to do.
Just use a program that can edit png's with alpha layer (eg; photoshop with the SuperPNG plug-in) and just replace the 1-7 number tiles with the ones you want (go back a few pages).
Also enable the show flow amounts in one of the int files.
Post by: Greendogo on March 30, 2011, 11:09:53 pm
It would be useful for all sorts of things, like curving the ground rim of a river or softening the change in grass colors. It would basically allow people like Ironhand and Phoebus to eliminate all the square edges.
I could do a mock-up if anyone is confused about what I mean.
Post by: KillHour on March 30, 2011, 11:29:29 pm
Does anyone think it will ever be possible to have multiple graphics for the same tile type, say a wall, that would correspond to each possible set of surrounding tiles? For instance, you have a wall that is diagonal with that visible jagged edge on the outer side in the unexplored area underground. It would be nice, then, if the program selected the graphic that had black filling in that side toward the unexplored part.
It would be useful for all sorts of things, like curving the ground rim of a river or softening the change in grass colors. It would basically allow people like Ironhand and Phoebus to eliminate all the square edges.
I could do a mock-up if anyone is confused about what I mean.
Baughn was talking about doing just this with "shader mode". Unfortunately, he's been really busy lately and it's a ton of work to do something like that.
Anyways, progress! I only have the transition tiles left. Not really happy with the pillar tile, though. Any suggestions?
(http://i.imgur.com/zI5F2.png)
PS: I hope Ironhand doesn't mind me hijacking his thread for this. I'm only doing walls, or I'd make a new thread.
Post by: Morwaul on March 30, 2011, 11:54:07 pm
Anyways, progress! I only have the transition tiles left. Not really happy with the pillar tile, though. Any suggestions?
PS: I hope Ironhand doesn't mind me hijacking his thread for this. I'm only doing walls, or I'd make a new thread.
Since your hijacking his thread you might as well take a look at his pillar. I think he hijacked it from Phobeus so if you actually use it you might want to make sure it is ok with them first :)
It was posted back on page 248 but here it is.
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2i0gnsx.png)
Post by: BradUffner on March 31, 2011, 01:38:16 am
I sorely miss the swirly waters, I would love if they came back. If it is an issue with people, it could even be an alternate choice, kinda like diagonal walls are now.
Just add them in yourself, it's easy to do.
Just use a program that can edit png's with alpha layer (eg; photoshop with the SuperPNG plug-in) and just replace the 1-7 number tiles with the ones you want (go back a few pages).
Also enable the show flow amounts in one of the int files.
Gotta pimp my TileGenie program here... It was designed to do exactly this. Link is in my signature.
Post by: Blah on March 31, 2011, 02:21:04 am
Does anyone think it will ever be possible to have multiple graphics for the same tile type, say a wall, that would correspond to each possible set of surrounding tiles? For instance, you have a wall that is diagonal with that visible jagged edge on the outer side in the unexplored area underground. It would be nice, then, if the program selected the graphic that had black filling in that side toward the unexplored part.
It would be useful for all sorts of things, like curving the ground rim of a river or softening the change in grass colors. It would basically allow people like Ironhand and Phoebus to eliminate all the square edges.
I could do a mock-up if anyone is confused about what I mean.
Baughn was talking about doing just this with "shader mode". Unfortunately, he's been really busy lately and it's a ton of work to do something like that.
Anyways, progress! I only have the transition tiles left. Not really happy with the pillar tile, though. Any suggestions?
(http://i.imgur.com/zI5F2.png)
PS: I hope Ironhand doesn't mind me hijacking his thread for this. I'm only doing walls, or I'd make a new thread.
I like how the tiles are clearly distinguishable
Post by: KillHour on March 31, 2011, 08:35:38 am
Post by: Lemunde on March 31, 2011, 08:43:39 am
Baughn was talking about doing just this with "shader mode". Unfortunately, he's been really busy lately and it's a ton of work to do something like that.
Anyways, progress! I only have the transition tiles left. Not really happy with the pillar tile, though. Any suggestions?
(http://i.imgur.com/zI5F2.png)
PS: I hope Ironhand doesn't mind me hijacking his thread for this. I'm only doing walls, or I'd make a new thread.
I really like the floors and the engraving design but the pixel gaps in the walls are a bit of an eyesore. I guess it's just a matter of taste but I don't like it.
Just a suggestion for something you might try to help make the pixel gaps blend better with the walls is adding low alpha borders around the wall tiles. It should look something like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/Lemunde/alternative.png)
Post by: Lord Vetinari on March 31, 2011, 08:57:22 am
It's fine to me, I actually never used a tileset with diagonal walls because I hate the zig zag required to have thick diagonals.
Post by: KillHour on March 31, 2011, 09:13:07 am
I really like the floors and the engraving design but the pixel gaps in the walls are a bit of an eyesore. I guess it's just a matter of taste but I don't like it.
Just a suggestion for something you might try to help make the pixel gaps blend better with the walls is adding low alpha borders around the wall tiles. It should look something like this:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/Lemunde/alternative.png)
I'm worried about how this might look with the diagonal engravings, but I'll try it out when I get home. Thanks.
Post by: Vince on March 31, 2011, 01:22:22 pm
Anyways, progress! I only have the transition tiles left. Not really happy with the pillar tile, though. Any suggestions?
(http://i.imgur.com/zI5F2.png)
I love the clear and "runed temple walls" and D&D-ish look. Although I dislike those crenelation gaps.
Very nice! And I like the pillar.
Now I wish you could have several floor types in DF, so you can alternate between several styles (yours and Ironhand's) and thus tilesets. :D
Post by: Greendogo on March 31, 2011, 04:00:33 pm
Baughn was talking about doing just this with "shader mode". Unfortunately, he's been really busy lately and it's a ton of work to do something like that.
Do you still intend to do this Baughn? It would be like, the best feature ever!
Post by: Aklyon on March 31, 2011, 04:07:15 pm
Pretty much agree with this guy, I do.Anyways, progress! I only have the transition tiles left. Not really happy with the pillar tile, though. Any suggestions?
(http://i.imgur.com/zI5F2.png)
I love the clear and "runed temple walls" and D&D-ish look. Although I dislike those crenelation gaps.
Very nice! And I like the pillar.
Now I wish you could have several floor types in DF, so you can alternate between several styles (yours and Ironhand's) and thus tilesets. :D
Post by: Lemunde on March 31, 2011, 04:20:18 pm
Post by: gtmattz on March 31, 2011, 08:03:05 pm
I sorely miss the swirly waters, I would love if they came back. If it is an issue with people, it could even be an alternate choice, kinda like diagonal walls are now.
Just add them in yourself, it's easy to do.
Just use a program that can edit png's with alpha layer (eg; photoshop with the SuperPNG plug-in) and just replace the 1-7 number tiles with the ones you want (go back a few pages).
Also enable the show flow amounts in one of the int files.
Gotta pimp my TileGenie program here... It was designed to do exactly this. Link is in my signature.
Hey, thanks! I will give this a try. I had tried modifying the tilesets myself in the past, but I am by no means a graphics guru, far from it in fact, and ran into various annoying problems and gave up.
Post by: Ironhand on April 01, 2011, 08:25:36 am
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 01, 2011, 08:26:48 am
Awwww, man! Sorry guys... (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4105):o ...must see what has changed...
Post by: danaris on April 01, 2011, 09:20:33 am
Awwww, man! Sorry guys... (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4105):o ...must see what has changed...
At a guess...
...the month?
Post by: Ethicalfive on April 01, 2011, 09:50:50 am
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 01, 2011, 09:59:11 am
(and the colors are obviously all messed up, just run the game itself...)
Post by: Deon on April 01, 2011, 10:04:26 am
Post by: schussel on April 01, 2011, 10:50:27 am
Post by: Scaraban on April 01, 2011, 11:04:21 am
Post by: Ethicalfive on April 01, 2011, 11:10:54 am
Umm... look at the dwarves.png and critters.png
(and the colors are obviously all messed up, just run the game itself...)
Well I only took a look at the tileset png's, which is what I meant by a glance. No need to be hostile about it! A Simple 'yes, theres modified content' would have been a much nicer reply.
Nice work Ironhand :D
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 01, 2011, 11:13:36 am
Umm... look at the dwarves.png and critters.png
(and the colors are obviously all messed up, just run the game itself...)
Well I only took a look at the tileset png's, which is what I meant by a glance. No need to be hostile about it! A Simple 'yes, theres modified content' would have been a much nicer reply.
Nice work Ironhand :D
... Is that sarcasm? I can't really tell... There was nothing hostile in what I said, in any case.
Post by: Scaraban on April 01, 2011, 11:20:13 am
*fist shaking*
damn youuuuuuuuuuu!!!!
*more fist shaking*
Post by: Lemunde on April 01, 2011, 11:38:54 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Sean Mirrsen on April 01, 2011, 11:44:35 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 01, 2011, 12:41:53 pm
I'm gonna do them the same way as I did before,
with them transitioning into the rock.
I think it'll look good enough for you when it's done.
Post by: Haspen on April 01, 2011, 12:56:34 pm
Okay, now it just looks like a Super Mario level.
Everyone loves Mario.
Post by: Morwaul on April 01, 2011, 01:11:25 pm
Post by: LucasUP on April 01, 2011, 03:54:43 pm
For those a little lazy: (I'll remove this if you want me to)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit:
On a serious note: Ironhand, one thing that annoys me is that I expect the large mushroom graphics to be underground trees (Like phoebus has), but right now there's no way to tell the difference visually from underground bushes and underground mushroom trees, would you ever consider making it so only cut-able fungi look like huge mushrooms?
Post by: Hammerstar on April 01, 2011, 04:33:10 pm
Post by: DrKillPatient on April 01, 2011, 05:50:58 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 01, 2011, 07:32:35 pm
Replace all the files in Toady's pack with the corresponding ones in the upgrade pack, and it should work like a charm.
Post by: Deon on April 01, 2011, 07:49:58 pm
Post by: Morwaul on April 01, 2011, 09:47:42 pm
Not sure if this is possible but if it is, how can I change the colors in the Relative Elevation Legend? I find it very difficult to read. It would be much better if the elevation went from darker to lighter or through different colors or anything other than the dark to light dark to light all shades of blue lunacy.
(http://img.ie/images/8748c.png)(http://img.ie/images/76b22.png) (http://img.ie/)
Post by: Greendogo on April 01, 2011, 10:14:43 pm
Post by: devek on April 01, 2011, 10:18:05 pm
That type of scale is better at showing differences and is common.
Post by: KillHour on April 01, 2011, 10:41:09 pm
As always, feel free to use these any way you like.
(http://i.imgur.com/zb3Pe.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/pFSCw.png)
Post by: Svenstaro on April 02, 2011, 06:07:53 am
Code: [Select]
[svenstaro@smith df_linux-ih]$ dwarffortress-ih
Loading bindings from data/init/interface.txt
New window size: 1440x450
Font size: 18x18
Resizing grid to 80x25
Resizing font to 18x18
Picked font at 15 points for ceiling 18
Resetting textures
New window size: 1272x450
Font size: 18x18
Resizing grid to 80x25
Resizing font to 15x15
Picked font at 13 points for ceiling 15
Resetting textures
Asked for nonexistent texture data
Segmentation faultScreenshot: http://i.imgur.com/w2wjd.png
The tile in question is a Muddy Dense grama with some Cyclops blood on a small pile of mud.
Do you need my savegame to debug this?
Post by: Baughn on April 02, 2011, 06:11:45 am
I could make the game stop crashing by arbitrarily substituting some other texture, but it's really a problem with the texture pack - namely, missing texture. This way, it's noticable. What do you say?
Post by: Svenstaro on April 02, 2011, 06:19:35 am
Post by: Marble_Nuts on April 02, 2011, 07:45:26 am
I got a mac and since last update 31.25, it seem I can't get the game merge with a graphical set (mayday or Ironhand). Here is the message I get each time.
Main index file missing/corrupted. The file ''index'' must be in the ''data'' folder. Make sure DF decompressed into it's folder properly.
What is the problem? What files should I copy from ironhand folder to the game folder? Usually it's all but the exe application. Could you modder still put the graphical set not merged to the game on your web site? It make the files cleaner for mac user...
Post by: Ironhand on April 02, 2011, 08:07:18 am
There are corresponding folders in your actual game that you downloaded.
Just make sure that you put ALL the files from the update pack into the corresponding places in the vanilla pack.
Although, the index file should be there from the start. Maybe you should check to make sure the game works out of the box first.
Post by: Jeoshua on April 02, 2011, 08:15:42 am
Post by: Marble_Nuts on April 02, 2011, 08:22:31 am
Post by: Marble_Nuts on April 02, 2011, 08:36:39 am
In that case (or similar case) the 'data' file should NOT be entirely copied. It's missing a lot of thing (including index), just it's content have to be replaced in the main 'data' file of original game.
And it works XD
Post by: Morwaul on April 02, 2011, 09:00:05 am
I can't remember the word for it, but there is a name for that.
That type of scale is better at showing differences and is common.
Yes, maybe, but for me I just hate it. If they had made each of the 4 dark to light sections a different color sure. Anyway, is it possible to change this or is that something only Toady can do?
Post by: Phoebus on April 02, 2011, 09:03:55 am
It's hardcoded. (Just Toady)I can't remember the word for it, but there is a name for that.
That type of scale is better at showing differences and is common.
Yes, maybe, but for me I just hate it. If they had made each of the 4 dark to light sections a different color sure. Anyway, is it possible to change this or is that something only Toady can do?
Post by: Baughn on April 02, 2011, 09:25:15 am
Post by: Greendogo on April 02, 2011, 10:00:40 am
This made me think that the tops of mountains beyond a certain elevation should be separate alpine biomes. That's always bothered me. Also, those elevations do have certain kinds of wildlife and plant life, which makes the in-game mountaintops look very empty to me.
Post by: Ironhand on April 02, 2011, 10:40:56 am
Post by: LucasUP on April 02, 2011, 03:29:29 pm
On a serious note: Ironhand, one thing that annoys me is that I expect the large mushroom graphics to be underground trees (Like phoebus has), but right now there's no way to tell the difference visually from underground bushes and underground mushroom trees, would you ever consider making it so only cut-able fungi look like huge mushrooms?(http://i.imgur.com/BXc5m.gif)
Post by: Ironhand on April 02, 2011, 05:43:35 pm
What would you rather plump helmets look like?
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 02, 2011, 08:18:47 pm
The only other ones are plump helmets.I think the point is that non-tree plants shouldn't look as large as tree plants to differentiate easily which you can cut down for lumber. I've had this problem too though I usually just area-designate to catch em all.
What would you rather plump helmets look like?
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 02, 2011, 09:02:57 pm
Having certain tiles always mean "tree", and just having them different colors, while other tiles always mean "shrub" or the like make it much easier to find those items. You could move towards having a tile where the "trunk" of the wood mushroom is very visible, while edible mushrooms are a different tile where the object is smaller in general, and the cap of the mushroom is more visible.
Post by: Aramco on April 02, 2011, 10:42:41 pm
One- When you scroll over a creature in the units screen, it turns black and you can't see it. The text does the same in some other places, but I don't remember the specific locations.
Two- I find that smooth and rough walls look too similar. I would prefer to be able to tell them apart more easily.
One more thing-- how do I undo the April-fools joke thing? I had a good laugh, but I would like to play normally. Y'know, without any risk of blindness from looking at the wall of colors.
Post by: LucasUP on April 03, 2011, 12:03:38 am
The only other ones are plump helmets.Yeah, I like the tiles you have. Maybe if plump helmets/bushes either used a smaller mushroom graphic, or was otherwise easier to differentiate. I love the tile you are using for the plump helmets, but maybe use it for something else for some variety of cutable fungi instead?
What would you rather plump helmets look like?
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 03, 2011, 12:42:51 am
You could potentially sacrifice one of the other tree tiles in the tileset to give yourself another tile to work with. You already are using multiple different tiles for cave "trees", anyway.Could also make edible/pickable mushrooms look like a small group of mushrooms rather than a single big one
Having certain tiles always mean "tree", and just having them different colors, while other tiles always mean "shrub" or the like make it much easier to find those items. You could move towards having a tile where the "trunk" of the wood mushroom is very visible, while edible mushrooms are a different tile where the object is smaller in general, and the cap of the mushroom is more visible.
Post by: Ethicalfive on April 03, 2011, 05:12:36 am
Thats what I was thinking. Dont mind if plump helms looked like a group, I think it could look pretty neat as a cluster(and real edible mushrooms tend to grow in clusters rather than as loners)You could potentially sacrifice one of the other tree tiles in the tileset to give yourself another tile to work with. You already are using multiple different tiles for cave "trees", anyway.Could also make edible/pickable mushrooms look like a small group of mushrooms rather than a single big one
Having certain tiles always mean "tree", and just having them different colors, while other tiles always mean "shrub" or the like make it much easier to find those items. You could move towards having a tile where the "trunk" of the wood mushroom is very visible, while edible mushrooms are a different tile where the object is smaller in general, and the cap of the mushroom is more visible.
Edit: mockup
(http://img.ie/a533c.png)
Post by: Ironhand on April 03, 2011, 08:59:03 am
"When you scroll over a creature in the units screen, it turns black and you can't see it."
THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOREVER, and it's STILL not something I can fix. If you don't like it, turn off TTF in the init file.
"I find that smooth and rough walls look too similar. I would prefer to be able to tell them apart more easily."
Really? Like, even with the new update? I'm pretty sure they look nothing alike now... unless I'm misunderstanding you.
"How do I undo the April-fools joke thing?"
The real graphics set is still where it always has been (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511). By the way (and this is for everybody), that link will never change. That URL will always lead to the latest version of Ironhand and Wormslayer's graphics. Just FYI.
Post by: Greendogo on April 03, 2011, 10:51:26 am
That might look pretty cool with farms. Do you think you could try something like this Ironhand?Could also make edible/pickable mushrooms look like a small group of mushrooms rather than a single big oneThats what I was thinking. Dont mind if plump helms looked like a group, I think it could look pretty neat as a cluster(and real edible mushrooms tend to grow in clusters rather than as loners)
Edit: mockup
(http://img.ie/a533c.png)
Post by: Aramco on April 03, 2011, 02:52:04 pm
"I find that smooth and rough walls look too similar. I would prefer to be able to tell them apart more easily."
Really? Like, even with the new update? I'm pretty sure they look nothing alike now... unless I'm misunderstanding you.
Oh, you're right. I guess I missed the newest update.
Post by: melpomenee on April 03, 2011, 04:29:46 pm
For reference: proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080
Post by: Valience on April 03, 2011, 07:20:25 pm
Hitting K while underground persistently causes crashes while using this graphics set. Likewise, trying to build things like kitchens and walls also causes a crash. I found briefly that I could view stuff underground if I shrank the window substantially but even that wasn't a consistent fix.OS would be useful too. I think there's a crash with k under linux currently. Try looking back a couple pages, I think Baughn and someone else were briefly touching on it.
For reference: proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080
In other news:
Now that you've fixed my two biggest complaints about the set (ugly walls and impossible to tell apart unless my eyes are touching the screen smooth/engraved floors) I feel like I could offer my bromance to you.
I do like the idea of harvestables being groups while trees are singular. It makes more sense to me as well since nearly all farmable/gatherable items can grow in stacks of many while trees will always give one lumber.
In other news, I tried using paint.net to hax that pot graphic someone made into the current tileset, but i seem to have lost all the alpha channel information when i saved it. Any suggestions? I do just save it as a 24bit png right? If nothing else, maybe add that pot for the next release and if possible edit tables and traction benched to use the same graphic (personally i like the traction graphic)? :D?
Post by: Rushmik on April 03, 2011, 07:35:23 pm
Hitting K while underground persistently causes crashes while using this graphics set. Likewise, trying to build things like kitchens and walls also causes a crash. I found briefly that I could view stuff underground if I shrank the window substantially but even that wasn't a consistent fix.
For reference: proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080
I ran into this consistently a while back, but fixed it completely by turning off true-type fonts (in the init file).
Post by: melpomenee on April 03, 2011, 09:53:41 pm
Hitting K while underground persistently causes crashes while using this graphics set. Likewise, trying to build things like kitchens and walls also causes a crash. I found briefly that I could view stuff underground if I shrank the window substantially but even that wasn't a consistent fix.OS would be useful too. I think there's a crash with k under linux currently. Try looking back a couple pages, I think Baughn and someone else were briefly touching on it.
For reference: proc=Core i7 Q720, RAM=6 gigs, video=ATi Mobility Radeon HD 4830, resolution=1920x1080
In other news:
Now that you've fixed my two biggest complaints about the set (ugly walls and impossible to tell apart unless my eyes are touching the screen smooth/engraved floors) I feel like I could offer my bromance to you.
I do like the idea of harvestables being groups while trees are singular. It makes more sense to me as well since nearly all farmable/gatherable items can grow in stacks of many while trees will always give one lumber.
In other news, I tried using paint.net to hax that pot graphic someone made into the current tileset, but i seem to have lost all the alpha channel information when i saved it. Any suggestions? I do just save it as a 24bit png right? If nothing else, maybe add that pot for the next release and if possible edit tables and traction benched to use the same graphic (personally i like the traction graphic)? :D?
OS=Windows 7 x64
The problem does seem to be true type font issue because Mayday and Phoebus work just fine.
Post by: dieffenbachj on April 04, 2011, 02:52:13 am
Post by: Baughn on April 04, 2011, 03:14:45 am
Post by: Jeoshua on April 04, 2011, 03:19:18 am
Post by: Ironhand on April 04, 2011, 09:37:04 am
Post by: Baughn on April 04, 2011, 09:55:54 am
I've found that removing the special accent characters from the language raws helps keep down TTF related crashes, if it helps narrow down the issue.Oh! Of course, I should have realized.
Yeah, there's a sign bug in the CP437->Unicode converter; basically, any letter above 127 (which means accented ones, etc.) get mapped to negative values.. which makes it read random memory in the 512 bytes before the array. Bad.
Usually that just maps to nonsense values that don't cause trouble as such, but if the memory isn't even *mapped* it'd cause a segfault - not very likely - or possibly it might crash freetype. Either way, I already fixed that bug so it should be fine next release.
Post by: Jeoshua on April 04, 2011, 10:09:24 am
ASCII: The old, the tried, the true... the confusing. Guaranteed not to make a goblin look like a goblet, because they don't look anything like what they're supposed to in the first place ;)
IRONHAND: That's you, Llama! Your set has always been the snazzy "realistic" option for me. Things look as they should, pretty and vibrant (or horrifying and disgusting, as the case may be).
Phoebus: His set has always been, for me, an iconic graphical redux of the ASCII tiles. things are easilly distinguishable even zoomed out because of this iconic nature.
I think, if anything, that's what you should shoot for. The clusters of mushrooms are one example of a good idea that is both graphically realistic (you don't grow one mushroom to eat, do you), and iconic as well.
ALSO! I personally have been playing around alot with worldgen, and I'm starting to get annoyed with the "vertical axle" or "pipe" or whatever icon that is that is part of the rivers. It breaks the look and feel something awful from the twisty little rivers you see in every other orientation. What is that icon supposed to go to in Dwarf fortress, and is it possible to recenter it without breaking how it looks over there?
(http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/3268/worldmapregion16310081.png) (http://img718.imageshack.us/i/worldmapregion16310081.png/)
UGH! The blue background doesn't bother me at all, I can overlook that. But it just BREAKS the map for me, you know? The section could even be straight, so long as it was centered in the same way as the other tiles. If you can't fix that one tile because it MUST look like that, then what about recentering the OTHER river tiles?
Either way, I already fixed that bug so it should be fine next release.
Ninja'd while replying. YAY! Thanks Baughn. Love ya for this.
Post by: Ghundio on April 04, 2011, 10:41:25 am
Post by: Ethicalfive on April 04, 2011, 10:43:43 am
Are all the ores supposed to look like a angry samurai, the 11th icon on the top row? Just curious if its just meLooks like a multicolour blob to me.. Wish I saw a samurai in it.. I found the ore to be quite colourful and out of place at first, but am used to it now.
Post by: Jeoshua on April 04, 2011, 12:04:34 pm
Are all the ores supposed to look like a angry samurai, the 11th icon on the top row? Just curious if its just me
I saw this, too... but since I've been messing around in Worldgen and Arena with this so far, I hadn't realized that this was ore.
Post by: Greendogo on April 04, 2011, 03:14:13 pm
Yeah, the mushroom cluster idea is awesome. I'll totally take a look at that when I get a chance.
Awesome Ironhand, you're the best!
Post by: Ethicalfive on April 05, 2011, 06:28:31 am
(http://img.ie/5c0ab.png)
Those are buttons, with some king stropharia in the bottom right corner. I could try some more slender mushrooms also, but they probably wouldn't fit the 'plump' part of the plump helm name. Could look cool though.
@Ironhand: If you do manage to update the tile magic thread, I might have a go at making up some real tiles, im abit confused by the alpha layer use though, and engravings, I dont understand how those work, they make my brain splode.
Post by: Jeoshua on April 05, 2011, 07:12:26 am
Post by: Phoebus on April 05, 2011, 07:23:20 am
Hope noone minds.. Just thought i'd try some different combos and help ironhand decide on grouping arrangments when he tries out some different cluster combos.Alpha transparency is the ratio between the current layer and what is behind.
(http://img.ie/5c0ab.png)
Those are buttons, with some king stropharia in the bottom right corner. I could try some more slender mushrooms also, but they probably wouldn't fit the 'plump' part of the plump helm name. Could look cool though.
@Ironhand: If you do manage to update the tile magic thread, I might have a go at making up some real tiles, im abit confused by the alpha layer use though, and engravings, I dont understand how those work, they make my brain splode.
60% alpha means the pixel will be 60% current layer, 40% under layers.
One very effective way to use alpha transparency is the layer mask. Layer mask are a greyscale image that control the transparency of each pixel in the layer. White = 100% opaque, black = 100% transparent.
To create engravings or "tile magic" do this:
Create a second layer which you will completely fill with black, and put that layer under your main layer, add a layer mask to that layer which you should fill white.
Then add a layer mask to your primary layer, copy the image of your primary layer into its layer mask, then fill the layer itself white.
This will make the white part of your image white, and the black part transparent. Of course, you have a black layer underneath your main image, so the black parts will still be black.
Now you can draw black (0% opaque) in the layer mask of the black layer to let the background color through.
To actually see what you are doing, you should put a colored (magenta) layer underneath the black layer, so when you carve through the black layer you will be able to see the magenta peak through.
Remember to disable the magenta layer before using your work. Also, remember to backup everything, and make a copy for every significant change you do, this way you'll be able to backtrack through your learning process.
Post by: Valience on April 05, 2011, 08:17:33 am
I like the bottom left of your ideas Ethical. Leave s smidge of space between rows to that they don't all kind of smush together.
Post by: Ironhand on April 05, 2011, 08:57:01 am
I've been busy since the weekend...
If you didn't see it yet, though, check this out:
Spoiler: Toady's made CITIES!!! (click to show/hide)
Looking forward to that release! Although, it's a real pity constructions aren't flammable yet...
Post by: MiniMacker on April 05, 2011, 09:04:39 am
Hope noone minds.. Just thought i'd try some different combos and help ironhand decide on grouping arrangments when he tries out some different cluster combos.
(http://img.ie/5c0ab.png)
Those are buttons, with some king stropharia in the bottom right corner. I could try some more slender mushrooms also, but they probably wouldn't fit the 'plump' part of the plump helm name. Could look cool though.
(http://img.ie/01247.png)
Those are frickin' boss. They aren't as packed, you can clearly see it's outline and you can easily recognize it as a pair of mushrooms.
It's classic design gives it some recognizable value. You won't have to squint, think or loo(k) to see what it is.
Post by: Phoebus on April 05, 2011, 09:22:08 am
Looking forward to that release! Although, it's a real pity constructions aren't flammable yet...Bah, we'll just have to wall the gates and fill it with magma. *dreamy eyes*
Of course we probably can't embark in those cities... :(
Post by: ghiacciato on April 06, 2011, 04:08:35 pm
Post by: gtmattz on April 06, 2011, 07:59:56 pm
So, until the next release on the weekend (the one immediately coming up?), there is no way to use the proper version with 31.25? I just switched, and would love to use this one...
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511
Post by: BoogieMan on April 07, 2011, 08:37:33 am
I see that you can download an update for the files.. So I did. I am using the Lazy Newb Pack V9.1 and I copied the files from this graphic set over the ones that came with LNP. I told it to change to Ironhand and update the saves, but I still can't load. I just get "Missing Reaction Definition". They only load when I use Phobus graphic set. None of the others will work whatsoever.
Fresh install of everything... Anything else I can do?
Post by: Phoebus on April 07, 2011, 09:41:57 am
I have a problem with none of my savegames working that were saved using this graphic set, and I prefer it to the others.One reaction name was changed by Toady a few updates ago, so saves from before that update will break when updated to recent versions.
I see that you can download an update for the files.. So I did. I am using the Lazy Newb Pack V9.1 and I copied the files from this graphic set over the ones that came with LNP. I told it to change to Ironhand and update the saves, but I still can't load. I just get "Missing Reaction Definition". They only load when I use Phobus graphic set. None of the others will work whatsoever.
Fresh install of everything... Anything else I can do?
I've fixed that problem in my graphic pack by including both the new and the old names for the reaction.
You can just copy the file "reaction_other.txt" from my pack over, it's located in "/raw/objects/".
Post by: Ironhand on April 07, 2011, 01:06:32 pm
Sorry about the delays recently. I can't guarantee anything for the rest of the month.
Getting towards the end of the semester, and it's ridiculous.
Post by: BoogieMan on April 07, 2011, 01:16:04 pm
Seems to be working just fine now.
Post by: Vince on April 07, 2011, 04:58:39 pm
Post by: Cerdo Guerrero on April 07, 2011, 05:43:04 pm
My best friend tried to download this pack yesterday before going out on a trip and since his english isn't very good he just couldn't read recent posts looking for a link.
That said, thanks for making this graphics set. I managed to get some of my friends to try out Dwarf Fortress thanks to it.
Post by: LucasUP on April 07, 2011, 06:35:44 pm
Post by: dieffenbachj on April 07, 2011, 06:54:29 pm
Though I suppose I could get dfhack to clear off all blood spatters... does that effect blood on creatures, too? Because it's mostly my kittens coated in layers of game-crashing blood...
Post by: Aramco on April 07, 2011, 06:59:02 pm
Post by: Scaraban on April 07, 2011, 07:09:29 pm
Alright, I have to know-- What did you do to the DF files to make the colors all acid-trip like that?init colors I would assume
Post by: Aramco on April 07, 2011, 07:46:52 pm
Alright, I have to know-- What did you do to the DF files to make the colors all acid-trip like that?init colors I would assume
Maybe, that would make sense.
Post by: methodology on April 07, 2011, 11:15:04 pm
I'll just wait till next patch before downloading, see if any TTF fixes make my poor awesome fortress playable again :P
Though I suppose I could get dfhack to clear off all blood spatters... does that effect blood on creatures, too? Because it's mostly my kittens coated in layers of game-crashing blood...
yeah it's like a ticking time bomb making me afraid to cursor over any dwarven child, cat or dog lest they crash me out. You can in the meantime make a waterfall or bath area near your front entrance somewhere that all animals and dwarves have to wade through that will scrub them clean if they happen to pick up some game crashing blood from outside (goblins). It's great to have even if there wasn't a crash anyways.
Post by: Deon on April 07, 2011, 11:53:33 pm
Hey, guys. Sorry I haven't updated ANYTHING recently.WHAT THE...
I've been busy since the weekend...
If you didn't see it yet, though, check this out:Spoiler: Toady's made CITIES!!! (click to show/hide)
Looking forward to that release! Although, it's a real pity constructions aren't flammable yet...
I don't know how did I miss that. Man, that looks sweet.
P.S. It reminds me of Daggerfall cities for some reason :D. Mostly because I expect lots of randomly placed inns/shops with strange names, and guards saying "Halt!" near those gatehouses :P.
Post by: THEFEZ on April 08, 2011, 01:44:24 pm
If I read Ironhand's instruction in the main post correctly, I should only need to get the latest release (0.57u), install it, and copy the new /raw/ directory to /data/save/regionX/raw/. However, after this, the game freezes when I select the save associated with /regionX/.
I'm playing 31.25 for OS X - does anyone have any suggestions? TIA.
Edit
I get lines and lines of errors like the following in the parent terminal window when it crashes:
2011-04-08 14:46:27.131 dwarfort.exe[11009:5403] *** __NSAutoreleaseNoPool(): Object 0x1e59ab0 of class NSCFString autoreleased with no pool in place - just leaking
Post by: Jeoshua on April 08, 2011, 01:46:19 pm
Try going into your d_init file and find the "engravings start obscured" bit. That should fix it.
Post by: THEFEZ on April 08, 2011, 01:52:34 pm
Post by: Rose on April 08, 2011, 01:54:22 pm
engravings start obscured only effects new ones.
Post by: blue emu on April 08, 2011, 02:18:53 pm
Post by: Phoebus on April 08, 2011, 02:22:28 pm
I went into d_init and changed ENGRAVINGS_START_OBSCURED to NO - same freeze/error spam. :/Your original problem could be fixed by toggling engravings. Your new problem has been caused by your attempt to fix your first problem.
You'll need to fix your savegame's raws.
Are you sure the pregenerated world is compatible with 31.25?
Do new worlds that you create after you installed Ironhand's graphic pack now also crash ?
Post by: THEFEZ on April 08, 2011, 09:14:02 pm
A friend of mine is running a Mac, and would like to use this great tile-set. Any tips on how to install it? I assume that the file linked on the main page is Windows-only.
I installed the mod no problem on my Mac. My last fortress had no graphics glitches at all, it's only now with the pre-generated world I'm playing.
Post by: narhiril on April 08, 2011, 09:17:10 pm
A friend of mine is running a Mac, and would like to use this great tile-set. Any tips on how to install it? I assume that the file linked on the main page is Windows-only.
I installed the mod no problem on my Mac. My last fortress had no graphics glitches at all, it's only now with the pre-generated world I'm playing.
EDIT: never mind, I see you've already tried this.
Post by: Poot on April 09, 2011, 12:24:49 am
Post by: ghiacciato on April 09, 2011, 07:48:29 am
I've been using the update archive, and copied the art and raw folder over; I _DID'NT_ overwrite my init folder, because I set some other stuff there, but I manually changed the "Gaphics" settings to "YES" - yet it still displays the example dwarves instead of the right ones.
Is there anything else I need to change in the inits, or something? :/
EDIT: It seems it's just a problem with me using my old savegames from the unmodded 31.25. Can I update these somehow?
Post by: Aalto on April 09, 2011, 08:03:41 am
Post by: ghiacciato on April 09, 2011, 08:16:54 am
Aye, just copy over the raws from the df folder to the save folder.
Oh, it's that easy! Thanks! Now I can finally enjoy this best of all graphic packs :)
EDIT: I still have some minor problems, I can't see waterwheels anymore, for example.
Oh well, I think I'll just start a whole new fortress then.
Post by: THEFEZ on April 09, 2011, 09:20:25 am
I went into d_init and changed ENGRAVINGS_START_OBSCURED to NO - same freeze/error spam. :/Your original problem could be fixed by toggling engravings. Your new problem has been caused by your attempt to fix your first problem.
You'll need to fix your savegame's raws.
Are you sure the pregenerated world is compatible with 31.25?
Do new worlds that you create after you installed Ironhand's graphic pack now also crash ?
I was doing that with a copy of DF. After I got the freezes, I just trashed the copy and went back to playing the glitched original 31.25.
Currently, I'm playing the premade world, and have the graphic glitches, but no freezes, etc. So I quit, went to d_init, and set engravings to NO. Note: in this DF, I have not copied the raws to my save folder. When I started the game back up, I still have the glitched walls (including areas that my dwarves have never touched like cliff faces).
Post by: Phoebus on April 09, 2011, 09:25:21 am
Try to only copy "inorganic_stone_layer.txt" and "inorganic_stone_mineral.txt".I went into d_init and changed ENGRAVINGS_START_OBSCURED to NO - same freeze/error spam. :/Your original problem could be fixed by toggling engravings. Your new problem has been caused by your attempt to fix your first problem.
You'll need to fix your savegame's raws.
Are you sure the pregenerated world is compatible with 31.25?
Do new worlds that you create after you installed Ironhand's graphic pack now also crash ?
I was doing that with a copy of DF. After I got the freezes, I just trashed the copy and went back to playing the glitched original 31.25.
Currently, I'm playing the premade world, and have the graphic glitches, but no freezes, etc. So I quit, went to d_init, and set engravings to NO. Note: in this DF, I have not copied the raws to my save folder. When I started the game back up, I still have the glitched walls (including areas that my dwarves have never touched like cliff faces).
From "/df/raw/objects/" to "/df/data/save/regionX/raw/objects/"
Post by: THEFEZ on April 09, 2011, 10:57:14 am
Are you sure the pregenerated world is compatible with 31.25?
It was generated in 31.18 - not sure if that's compatible or not. (May not be. If I use the world_gen.txt entry from the pre-save I'm using I don't get the same world.)
Edit: Clarity.
Post by: THEFEZ on April 09, 2011, 11:11:00 am
Try to only copy "inorganic_stone_layer.txt" and "inorganic_stone_mineral.txt".
From "/df/raw/objects/" to "/df/data/save/regionX/raw/objects/"
AWESOME! That fixed my microcline problems, so I went back and copied the other inorganic_*.txt files to the /regionX/raw/objects folder and now all is as it should be.
Thank you so very much.
Post by: ghiacciato on April 09, 2011, 05:06:57 pm
Are water wheels supposed to be completely black? Same with some tiles on the embark menu maps...does the graphic set change some RGB-settings in the inits, or something like that?
It's a shame, really, I just completely love this graphic set overall, but blank/black tiles where there should be something is just a downer...
Post by: forsaken1111 on April 09, 2011, 05:30:11 pm
Thanks for providing the links to the current version again, but I still seem to have problems.The link has been in the original post the whole time, and has never changed...
Post by: ghiacciato on April 10, 2011, 12:06:24 pm
Thanks for providing the links to the current version again, but I still seem to have problems.The link has been in the original post the whole time, and has never changed...
When it was still the April Fool's Day's 0.0PS, all I could find were the former versions...
So, seriously no one can tell me why my water wheels (using the same tile as smoothed E-W walls, I noticed) are displayed black, and if there's any fix for this?
Post by: mux951 on April 10, 2011, 01:24:31 pm
...
So, seriously no one can tell me why my water wheels (using the same tile as smoothed E-W walls, I noticed) are displayed black, and if there's any fix for this?
I figured, since I don't know any fix, I should keep my mouth shut... ::)
I never saw any bug like with the waterweels. Especially not after installing a complete ironhand version and generating a new world :-\
Ironhands Version always worked fine for me, except for the occasional crash while looking at blood (screw you damn gobblins!)
I'd just wait for Phoebus - the god of bugfixing - to come by and trow in some suggestions ;D
Thanks for all the awesome work you're putting in, lama.
I even got to like the diagonal walls, although I told myself from the beginning that edgy is the only dwarfy way :o
but your diagonal style is just AWE...wait for it...SOME! 8)
Post by: ghiacciato on April 10, 2011, 03:15:45 pm
Spoiler: "Embark map, only highlighted tiles are visible" (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: "Water wheels, flashing between the two on the left" (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: "Unit list, notice the gap as it renders the selected line black" (click to show/hide)
I know I'm pretty annoying with keeping to go on about this, it just bugs me...
Also, crashes while looking at goblin blood?
EDIT: No, they're not inactive. And I was asking mux what he meant when he was talking about "crashes while looking at goblin blood".
Post by: Aalto on April 10, 2011, 03:23:25 pm
Post by: Phoebus on April 10, 2011, 03:57:38 pm
The black waterwheel is most likely caused by one of Ironhand's tile with no background color being used by the game using a background color only....
So, seriously no one can tell me why my water wheels (using the same tile as smoothed E-W walls, I noticed) are displayed black, and if there's any fix for this?
I figured, since I don't know any fix, I should keep my mouth shut... ::)
I never saw any bug like with the waterweels. Especially not after installing a complete ironhand version and generating a new world :-\
Ironhands Version always worked fine for me, except for the occasional crash while looking at blood (screw you damn gobblins!)
I'd just wait for Phoebus - the god of bugfixing - to come by and trow in some suggestions ;D
Thanks for all the awesome work you're putting in, lama.
I even got to like the diagonal walls, although I told myself from the beginning that edgy is the only dwarfy way :o
but your diagonal style is just AWE...wait for it...SOME! 8)
Those would be the NS & EW river tiles alternating with the NS & EW wall tiles. Background color only. I think Ironhand's EW river tile is filled with foreground color. (the one river tile that doesn't fit with the other river tiles)
Post by: mux951 on April 10, 2011, 06:58:08 pm
...The black line in the unit list is not a bug...it's a feature :P
Spoiler: "Unit list, notice the gap as it renders the selected line black" (click to show/hide)
Also, crashes while looking at goblin blood?
EDIT: No, they're not inactive. And I was asking mux what he meant when he was talking about "crashes while looking at goblin blood".
no seriously...as far as I understand it its a problem with TTF fonts that only toady can fix, and he has other stuff to do right now :/
Solution would be to turn TrueType of in your init file
The goblin blood crash is related to some missing tiles, which cause a crash...i really don't understand much about it, just experience it from now to then (more often the older my fortress gets :'()
all that stuff just has been talked about around page 252 of this thread
Post by: eNDer on April 13, 2011, 04:10:10 pm
I've been away from DF for a year so been trying to get back into it and I just died on my first save after 20 minutes haha.
Anyway I was wondering if anyone could recommend a graphics pack for monsters which wont look out of place in Ironhand's set? I encountered spiders on my first save and they appeared as 'S's.. my dogs/turkeys were fine though.
Post by: mux951 on April 14, 2011, 10:46:22 am
I havent encountered spiders yet, therefore I can't tell if it's a bug or a feature that they are not showing. but looking at the critter.png they are definitely included.
Post by: Slugman on April 14, 2011, 01:26:47 pm
But, but, but... I have a different problem actually. I've always seen people talk about the healthcare screen and also seen a few screenshots but I've never actually seen this screen work on my own version of DF. Neither the treatment history of a dwarf, nor the steps that are still missing to finish his treatment. There are no entries at all or at least they are all black.
Is this a problem with this graphics pack or am I just doing something wrong?
Post by: Ironhand on April 14, 2011, 04:43:17 pm
Post by: eNDer on April 14, 2011, 04:57:00 pm
No matter I'll just wait for the latest update.. could have been a random bug.
Loving this ironhand look more everyday
Post by: Saiko Kila on April 14, 2011, 06:00:13 pm
Post by: Lortath on April 14, 2011, 06:10:22 pm
Just saying is your tileset who convince me to play this wonderful game.
Your all made pack is really good, and I continue to use it.
A small post, for a great guy.
Thank you for improving the game in your way. (Also, thank to other modders who helped you)
Post by: Ironhand on April 14, 2011, 07:50:23 pm
As to the spider thing, Forgotten Beasts will always just be text for now. There's nothing we can do about it.
And I know nothing's happened in like forever, but that's because classes are getting crazy near the end of the semester.
In other news, I got a summer internship with Bethesda Softworks!!! :D So I'll be doing 9 to 5 (or whatever) this summer as well.
Still, 9 to 5 is better than the 24-7 that I'm doing now, so I should be able to get more done starting in May, when classes end.
Post by: Greendogo on April 14, 2011, 09:11:15 pm
Post by: Igfig on April 14, 2011, 09:40:23 pm
As to the spider thing, Forgotten Beasts will always just be text for now. There's nothing we can do about it.
That's not actually true, though not many people know it. Something like this would work just fine:
Code: [Select]
[TILE_PAGE:FORGOTTENBEASTS]
[FILE:beasts.png]
[TILE_DIM:16:16]
[PAGE_DIM:4:5]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_1]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:0:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_2]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:1:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_3]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:2:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
etc.Just repeat that 200 times, or however many forgotten beasts there are, and your beasts will have proper graphics. Sure, the graphics won't have anything to do with what the beast actually looks like--but hey, graphics!
You can do this for demons (DEMON) and titans (TITAN), too.
Post by: Phoebus on April 14, 2011, 10:06:55 pm
In other news, I got a summer internship with Bethesda Softworks!!! :DCongrats on the intership! :)
Like DEMON_1, DEMON_2, DEMON_3, etc.?As to the spider thing, Forgotten Beasts will always just be text for now. There's nothing we can do about it.
That's not actually true, though not many people know it. Something like this would work just fine:Code: [Select][TILE_PAGE:FORGOTTENBEASTS]
[FILE:beasts.png]
[TILE_DIM:16:16]
[PAGE_DIM:4:5]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_1]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:0:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_2]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:1:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_3]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:2:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
etc.
Just repeat that 200 times, or however many forgotten beasts there are, and your beasts will have proper graphics. Sure, the graphics won't have anything to do with what the beast actually looks like--but hey, graphics!
You can do this for demons (DEMON) and titans (TITAN), too.
Post by: Valience on April 15, 2011, 01:23:22 am
And I know nothing's happened in like forever, but that's because classes are getting crazy near the end of the semester.Tell me about it. I really shouldn't have slacked off in that marketing class all semester, I now have 2 case studies, 2 lesser homeworks, and a marketing plan to all get done by the 26th x_x. At least the two network security classes don't have homework at this point. Just have to worry about memorizing a few commands for security settings and getting a miniature enterprise network running in the lab. Then I can get back to posting useless drivel that no one cares about!
Post by: Igfig on April 15, 2011, 02:11:34 am
You can do this for demons (DEMON) and titans (TITAN), too.Like DEMON_1, DEMON_2, DEMON_3, etc.?
Yeah, exactly.
I've been sitting on this secret for a while, mostly because of a succession game I snuck it into and didn't want to have spoiled. But that's just about over now, so go give it a try.
Post by: eNDer on April 15, 2011, 05:58:40 am
As to the spider thing, Forgotten Beasts will always just be text for now. There's nothing we can do about it.
Hmm but the spiders I got weren't forgotten beasts.. I checked the wiki and it said you'll get notifications for when they appear? Didnt get one for my spideys
So it looks like the Giant Cave Spider graphic working is a 50/50 thing...?
Grats on the internship btw!
Post by: Slugman on April 15, 2011, 06:40:21 am
You've got to designate a chief medical dwarf in your nobles menu before you can access your health screen.
That's actually one of the first things I do after embarking. But I just realised I have to use the arrow keys to access the treatment history, etc.... No idea why I couldn't come up with that earlier. ???
Post by: Ironhand on April 15, 2011, 11:20:28 am
You can do this for demons (DEMON) and titans (TITAN), too.Like DEMON_1, DEMON_2, DEMON_3, etc.?
Yeah, exactly.
I've been sitting on this secret for a while, mostly because of a succession game I snuck it into and didn't want to have spoiled. But that's just about over now, so go give it a try.
Wow, cool stuff! Thanks!
It would be hard to decide what they should look like, though,
since it's not based on what they're actually made of...
Maybe I'll try to make some sort of generic monster sprite.
Something like the demon tile I have right now, but with colors.
Then I could make a sheet of like a hundred different color variations of it,
and it would make it look like each forgotten beast and titan was just randomly colored.
Might be cool.
Post by: Phoebus on April 15, 2011, 11:34:11 am
I just used 'ADD_COLOR' for demons and forgotten beasts, and kept titans static.You can do this for demons (DEMON) and titans (TITAN), too.Like DEMON_1, DEMON_2, DEMON_3, etc.?
Yeah, exactly.
I've been sitting on this secret for a while, mostly because of a succession game I snuck it into and didn't want to have spoiled. But that's just about over now, so go give it a try.
Wow, cool stuff! Thanks!
It would be hard to decide what they should look like, though,
since it's not based on what they're actually made of...
Maybe I'll try to make some sort of generic monster sprite.
Something like the demon tile I have right now, but with colors.
Then I could make a sheet of like a hundred different color variations of it,
and it would make it look like each forgotten beast and titan was just randomly colored.
Might be cool.
Post by: Urist McAddict on April 15, 2011, 01:24:30 pm
Congratulations on your internship...
Bethesda is one of my favorites, Fallout 3 and Elder Scrolls? Hell, I hope it'll help you grow and maybe someday we'll be proud to say we saw your early works...
Just don't forget about us and DF =D
Make us all prouder than we already are
Post by: Scaraban on April 15, 2011, 01:48:35 pm
Man, i know you said it long ago, but i gotta say this...True dat, Urist, true. dat.
Congratulations on your internship...
Bethesda is one of my favorites, Fallout 3 and Elder Scrolls? Hell, I hope it'll help you grow and maybe someday we'll be proud to say we saw your early works...
Just don't forget about us and DF =D
Make us all prouder than we already are
Post by: Ironhand on April 15, 2011, 02:27:28 pm
For now I'm just trying to make some friends within the game development world.
But yeah, in another 10 years... keep your eyes open for Laughing Llama Productions. :P
Post by: mux951 on April 15, 2011, 03:11:09 pm
Actually, my ultimate dream has always been to open an independent game studio. :Dnice!
For now I'm just trying to make some friends within the game development world.
But yeah, in another 10 years... keep your eyes open for Laughing Llama Productions. :P
I'll never buy any game from you, if you abandon your tileset though :P never...ever
Post by: SalmonGod on April 15, 2011, 03:21:02 pm
Actually, my ultimate dream has always been to open an independent game studio. :D
For now I'm just trying to make some friends within the game development world.
But yeah, in another 10 years... keep your eyes open for Laughing Llama Productions. :P
I've long dreamt of being involved with an independent studio also. Doesn't have to be opened by me.
I went to high school with a Ryan Sears who now works at Bethesda. I'm not sure if he remembers me, though. I've tried to contact him a couple times with no luck. If you want to wierd him out/strike up social interaction, you can tell him Chuck from South Putnam says hi. :P
Post by: Scaraban on April 15, 2011, 03:59:49 pm
You really shouldActually, my ultimate dream has always been to open an independent game studio. :D
For now I'm just trying to make some friends within the game development world.
But yeah, in another 10 years... keep your eyes open for Laughing Llama Productions. :P
I've long dreamt of being involved with an independent studio also. Doesn't have to be opened by me.
I went to high school with a Ryan Sears who now works at Bethesda. I'm not sure if he remembers me, though. I've tried to contact him a couple times with no luck. If you want to wierd him out/strike up social interaction, you can tell him Chuck from South Putnam says hi. :P
Post by: Baughn on April 15, 2011, 04:19:08 pm
So many people want to work in a game studio, there are far more than there are jobs.. and so conditions deteriorate in an employer's market. Good luck with your ambitions, but I'm not going there. :P
Just working on one in my spare time instead. :D
Post by: schussel on April 16, 2011, 03:01:03 am
Actually, my ultimate dream has always been to open an independent game studio. :D
For now I'm just trying to make some friends within the game development world.
But yeah, in another 10 years... keep your eyes open for Laughing Llama Productions. :P
i wish you all the best for that dream and the current steps toward it :)
.. but ...
dare to turn your back on us and we wont feed you any sugarcubes no more *tries to make threatening face* :)
Post by: mux951 on April 16, 2011, 04:47:47 am
all my injured dwarfs (especially the crutchwalkers) are blinking at me with smoothed mudstone floor...
is this intended?
Post by: Ironhand on April 16, 2011, 09:38:57 am
The smoothed floor tile is used to signify wounds.
Post by: mux951 on April 16, 2011, 09:45:36 am
Post by: mux951 on April 17, 2011, 05:33:35 am
Post by: narhiril on April 17, 2011, 05:10:40 pm
*** Error(s) finalizing the translation DWARF
Unrecognized word token: LLAMA
Well played, sir, well played.
Post by: saka-rauka1 on April 24, 2011, 01:36:33 pm
Am I right in thinking that the square brackets represent encrusted items? If so, how can I tell which is which when I have truetype disabled?
Also, a more general question but since I am posting here I might as well ask; how can you sell items from barrels (e.g dwarven wine). With bins you get the items inside displayed underneath the barrel itself in the trade window. But with barrels this isn't the case.
Post by: mux951 on April 25, 2011, 03:13:14 pm
Could anyone explain how to tell which items are encrusted? I've read (and seen in videos) that they have double brackets around the item name. However, with this graphics set I get square brackets joined together, for example:[]. With truetype turned off I just get tiles where quality markers should be.if i understand you right, then [] would be the "exceptional" quality. with ironhands tileset (at least with my settings) and truetype enabled and encrusted item would simply have several quality modifiers. each indicating the quality of the work that was done (e.g. quality of main item, quality of first encrust, etc.). as far as I remember (i usually don't care that much about idividual quality then overall item value) the order of the symbols is the same as the order of the work done, e.g. every new quality modifier wraps around the previous item resulting in something like this:
Am I right in thinking that the square brackets represent encrusted items? If so, how can I tell which is which when I have truetype disabled?
...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
...simple answer: you can't sell the items in the barrel without selling the barrel
Also, a more general question but since I am posting here I might as well ask; how can you sell items from barrels (e.g dwarven wine). With bins you get the items inside displayed underneath the barrel itself in the trade window. But with barrels this isn't the case.
to free the barrel you would have to dump the stuff in the barrel first, by manually sellecting it
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
this only works for some cases though, since dwarfen whine would simply result in a large spill on the floor which I doubt any elf woud trade his exceptionaly encrusted wooden training sword for
Post by: saka-rauka1 on April 26, 2011, 02:56:29 pm
Could anyone explain how to tell which items are encrusted? I've read (and seen in videos) that they have double brackets around the item name. However, with this graphics set I get square brackets joined together, for example:[]. With truetype turned off I just get tiles where quality markers should be.if i understand you right, then [] would be the "exceptional" quality. with ironhands tileset (at least with my settings) and truetype enabled and encrusted item would simply have several quality modifiers. each indicating the quality of the work that was done (e.g. quality of main item, quality of first encrust, etc.). as far as I remember (i usually don't care that much about idividual quality then overall item value) the order of the symbols is the same as the order of the work done, e.g. every new quality modifier wraps around the previous item resulting in something like this:
Am I right in thinking that the square brackets represent encrusted items? If so, how can I tell which is which when I have truetype disabled?
...Spoiler (click to show/hide)...simple answer: you can't sell the items in the barrel without selling the barrel
Also, a more general question but since I am posting here I might as well ask; how can you sell items from barrels (e.g dwarven wine). With bins you get the items inside displayed underneath the barrel itself in the trade window. But with barrels this isn't the case.
to free the barrel you would have to dump the stuff in the barrel first, by manually sellecting itand then reclaim the dumped stuff and tag it for trade. in this case a good location for the garbage dump would be near the trade depot ;)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
this only works for some cases though, since dwarfen whine would simply result in a large spill on the floor which I doubt any elf woud trade his exceptionaly encrusted wooden training sword for
Ah right thanks. So the quality symbols have changed? [] isn't what the wiki gives as being exceptional quality. Is there a list or something that I can consult?
Post by: Silophant on April 26, 2011, 10:42:20 pm
Post by: mux951 on April 27, 2011, 03:29:52 am
all the other quality modifiers are like in the wiki though. just get used to the new exceptional quality symbol and you'll be good
Post by: Fewah on April 27, 2011, 09:01:11 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 27, 2011, 09:21:42 pm
Awesome! I can't wait!
...seriously, though, mostly it was just an excuse for the April Fools Day thing.
But I think all we're missing is a dozen animals or so. I'll see what I can do about them.
I've got two more days of finals, and then I head straight to my new internship on Monday.
Getting settled in is my top priority, but hopefully that'll calm down quick and I'll be able to sprite.
Post by: mux951 on April 28, 2011, 04:59:19 am
just don't abandon us ;)
Post by: Perapsam on April 28, 2011, 08:05:19 pm
Post by: Fewah on April 29, 2011, 01:25:46 am
An update, huh?
Awesome! I can't wait!
...seriously, though, mostly it was just an excuse for the April Fools Day thing.
But I think all we're missing is a dozen animals or so. I'll see what I can do about them.
I've got two more days of finals, and then I head straight to my new internship on Monday.
Getting settled in is my top priority, but hopefully that'll calm down quick and I'll be able to sprite.
Updating as necessary
Major graphical update underway!
(The new walls are in the current package as supplementary tilesets.
Just rename the one you want to test as "ironhand.png", and boot it up!)
Release planned for next weekend!
I saw that and just figured. Sorry wasent aware it was a april fools thing!
Might i suggest something though. Would it be possible for you to just overlook a few things. I've noticed that a few things arent meshing. It's most likely the older objects and items meshing into the later stuff. I've honestly just been playing through my game but sometimes certain things just jump out and look oddish.
It would be cool for you to keep this updated, and even go back on some of your other sprites and that and change them and update them!
I really love your artwork!
Post by: Valience on April 29, 2011, 02:15:53 am
jump out and look oddish.
I wish Oddish would jump out at me. then I could evolve it into a Vileplume and make perfume to trade!
/shot for such an obscure and old reference
Post by: Aramco on April 29, 2011, 01:36:32 pm
jump out and look oddish.
I wish Oddish would jump out at me. then I could evolve it into a Vileplume and make perfume to trade!
/shot for such an obscure and old reference
Why would you want an Oddish to jump out at you? Man, those things were everywhere.
Post by: SalmonGod on April 29, 2011, 04:31:29 pm
Post by: Fewah on April 30, 2011, 11:27:43 pm
is that when you're in a heavily forested area... its hard as hell to tell where the goblins are... they are like the same template color as most of the grass and shit..
And like you can say that adds immersion to it because it's heavily forested area so it should be harder to see them... but it's pointless when you can easily just pause the game and search for them.
Just saying, every game i've played i have trouble with heavily forested areas. Not only with the goblins. But telling which is a lower level. It's hard as hell to tell sometimes because the shade difference doesnt change enough.
Guess what im saying is could you change some of the shading and colors up abit to be abit more fierce or lighter.
Post by: HeliumFreak on May 03, 2011, 12:44:22 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
How funny. I've thought the same thing for many months but whenever i came to the forum i kept forgetting to post about it. Now when i was finally coming to say "OK enough, im going back to Phoebus' tile set" the very last reply in the thread is talking about exactly what Ive wanted to post about all this time.
No s**t though its really really annoying. When goblins attack literally a good 95% of the time i cannot see them at all. I have to go into the units menu and select the goblin separately to zoom to it. I play the game at 1920 x 1080 and the size of the tiles mixed with the oh so greenness means i really really struggle to see whats going on the vast majority of the time. The tiles might look all nice and fancy when they're in their tile set grid but i think more thought into how little they contrast with the most common scenery (grass and trees) would be nice please.
*Edit
Im not colour blind my colour visualization is perfect. Although it cant attest to the accuracy of my monitor.
**Edit 2
On a less trivial note about colour and onto something more serious. I dont know why this is happening but ive been experienceing lag with the recent all inclusive packs youve been releasing. Going from 100 FPS constant to down to 50-60 on fresh maps. Tryed multiple times with differently generated maps. The problem is fixed if i replace the tileset with someone elses set or if i just disable it completely. I have no idea why this happens and id help you debug it but i have no idea how to help you with that.
My computer specs are i7 950 @ 3.8ghz - 12gb RAM - nvidia gtx470
Post by: Fewah on May 04, 2011, 12:56:57 am
And i've been playing alot lately and i'm still having trouble with shade colours.
Green areas are muderous on the eyes.
I really like the graphics it's honestly amazing. But its so hard on the eyes. Things just arent shaded properly and goblins i think have almost the same shade of green as teh ground :/
Hopefully ironhand looks it over perhaps
edit: My computer specs are abit lower... i only get fps drop when i hit exactly 90 dwarves. 120 brings me down to 50fps. which i guess is normal. Might be a problem on your end !
Post by: Lysabild on May 04, 2011, 06:28:13 am
Post by: Magnar on May 08, 2011, 03:11:58 am
This tileset caught my eye as it's very nicely done, however the last few comments about colour schemes have me worried I'm going to miss crucial details. Is there a particular colour scheme that goes well with this pack or am I better off customising it myself?
Post by: dieffenbachj on May 08, 2011, 11:29:02 am
Hey there, I've been away from DF for a few years and have recently started playing again.
This tileset caught my eye as it's very nicely done, however the last few comments about colour schemes have me worried I'm going to miss crucial details. Is there a particular colour scheme that goes well with this pack or am I better off customising it myself?
Just use the standard color scheme, those people are just nitpicking; the colors are fine. Maybe they could be tweaked, but I think if 'goblins are green' is the biggest complaint people have with this tileset / color scheme, you're not going to find lesser problems with other ones. I think for most people, the colors are fine.
Post by: beefy on May 08, 2011, 11:36:45 am
But I'm wondering if there is any possibility that the unit screen will get fixed? (Black Selector on Black BG)
Is there anything we can do? ???
Post by: danaris on May 08, 2011, 12:02:44 pm
First of all: awesome work! I'm loving the sprites, they look gorgeous! :)
But I'm wondering if there is any possibility that the unit screen will get fixed? (Black Selector on Black BG)
Is there anything we can do? ???
That is nothing to do with Ironhand. That is a function of the TTF engine in DF.
However, IIRC, the person who works on that part posted a while back on this very thread that he's fixed that for the next version.
Post by: Magnar on May 08, 2011, 01:57:58 pm
I'll dive in with both feet like my inner dwarf should :D
Post by: Fewah on May 09, 2011, 02:17:58 am
Hey there, I've been away from DF for a few years and have recently started playing again.
This tileset caught my eye as it's very nicely done, however the last few comments about colour schemes have me worried I'm going to miss crucial details. Is there a particular colour scheme that goes well with this pack or am I better off customising it myself?
It's actually quite amazing and fine.
We are just nitpicking but its definetly something that ironhand should think about!
Post by: beefy on May 09, 2011, 03:41:46 pm
First of all: awesome work! I'm loving the sprites, they look gorgeous! :)
But I'm wondering if there is any possibility that the unit screen will get fixed? (Black Selector on Black BG)
Is there anything we can do? ???
That is nothing to do with Ironhand. That is a function of the TTF engine in DF.
However, IIRC, the person who works on that part posted a while back on this very thread that he's fixed that for the next version.
Thanks for your reply!
Awesome news! :) Glad to hear that this got fixed. I guess by "next version" you mean the next version of DF?
Post by: Magnar on May 11, 2011, 09:21:36 pm
Is there no way to revert to the original DF handling solely for that part? It's a minor annoyance in itself but it affects a fair few screens so it's beginning to grate quite a bit.
A friend using the mayday pack has said his menus are all fine as well as it working properly in the base game so I'm thinking it's possible to negate its effects in this pack but I have no idea where to start looking to change it.
edit: nevermind, I found the truetype option in the init.txt and set it to NO instead. Will be nice when it works properly but for now I'd rather see all my menus lol
edit 2: Think I've shot myself in the foot with that one, now I don't appear to be able to see the gender of animals :( anyone have any better ideas? lol
Post by: mux951 on May 12, 2011, 04:32:33 am
I can live with 1 missing line and I love TTF because its much easier on the eyes.
there is no fix on ironhands or our sides to this. its a bug in DF, but it should be corrected in the upcoming version. for references look back 30 pages(or so) in this thread.
Post by: ghiacciato on May 12, 2011, 06:09:05 pm
Post by: Ironhand on May 12, 2011, 06:31:58 pm
I've been absolutely swamped with my new internship.
My commute is nearly four hours round trip.
And I'm working Saturdays, too.
I'd like to say that I'll be able to catch back up with this graphics set soon, but it's simply not going to happen.
Next semester, easy classes. I can't make any promises before that.
Post by: schussel on May 13, 2011, 12:53:46 am
probably you should get your own intern, to steady up your real important work, being the mvp modbuilde here :-D
Post by: Ethicalfive on May 13, 2011, 04:23:29 am
Post by: HeliumFreak on May 13, 2011, 09:09:03 am
Its not like its a "huge" problem because ofcourse when an event happens the game pauses and the screen moves to the rough location. I personally however have found at the screen size/resolution i like to play at that the colours just blend a little too well together making it difficult to appraise a situation without having to go in and out of the unit screen to see where the squads are located. The thing is once ive found them its like "duh how did i miss them" but low and behold every time it happens im again going to the unit screen
Post by: ghiacciato on May 13, 2011, 11:45:20 am
Yeah... sorry about that, guys.
I've been absolutely swamped with my new internship.
My commute is nearly four hours round trip.
And I'm working Saturdays, too.
I'd like to say that I'll be able to catch back up with this graphics set soon, but it's simply not going to happen.
Next semester, easy classes. I can't make any promises before that.
No worries, I didn't mean to complain about anything...the current version works fine with the current release, it's still the best graphics pack out there, and this is, after all, not your job. Unlike the internship. So concentrate on that for now :)
Post by: Ironhand on May 13, 2011, 08:02:24 pm
Anyway, don't begrudge me a real job. As much as I admire what Toady does, I'm personally looking for something with a little more financial stability.
I do love you guys, though. And I told you I wouldn't abandon you, so I won't.
Post by: Lysabild on May 14, 2011, 07:00:16 am
Post by: devek on May 14, 2011, 09:19:45 am
Post by: Lord Vetinari on May 14, 2011, 09:30:58 am
Get really rich, and hire freelancers to work on the graphic set!
Minecraft shows that this is the perfect way to grind everything to a halt :P
Post by: MADDOGmjb on May 14, 2011, 07:41:22 pm
Post by: dieffenbachj on May 18, 2011, 07:42:21 pm
Post by: gtmattz on May 19, 2011, 06:25:48 pm
I'm sorry if this has been posted in the past, but I can't find it. Is there a key or a legend for all of the tiles in Ironhand? Specifically, there is one that looks like a face that shows up in the sites list and I'm not sure what it is.
I see nothing that looks like a face in the sites list... I am not sure what you are talking about?
Post by: Baughn on May 22, 2011, 01:16:28 pm
Still, I've made some progress elsewhere. I'll just leave this here..
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: narhiril on May 22, 2011, 02:18:15 pm
OpenGL is being a bitch, and I have to admit I'm spending more time on other projects than fighting with that.
Still, I've made some progress elsewhere. I'll just leave this here..Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I see an awful lot of FUN in that last screenshot.
Post by: Baughn on May 22, 2011, 03:25:54 pm
Why are the dwarves sideways? I don't know, but it's part of the tileset. The renderer is actually working as designed. :P
Post by: danaris on May 22, 2011, 03:47:07 pm
I blame Ironhand.
Why are the dwarves sideways? I don't know, but it's part of the tileset. The renderer is actually working as designed. :P
Sideways usually means they're dead...
Post by: Ironhand on May 22, 2011, 07:45:13 pm
Post by: Darkmere on May 22, 2011, 11:05:53 pm
However... I am getting the crash on certain length bug (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3762) in this version.
I switched to gentium font and that stops the crashes, but there's no quality icons past exceptional. Can anyone recommend a font that minimizes crashing AND has quality modifiers?
Post by: Baughn on May 23, 2011, 07:23:01 am
Actually, it means you're not using graphics. Just the tileset.This is true. Why did you make it like that, though?
Post by: Rose on May 23, 2011, 07:30:09 am
Actually, it means you're not using graphics. Just the tileset.This is true. Why did you make it like that, though?
Because when you use graphics, those tiles only show up for dead dwarves.
Post by: xmagicx60 on May 26, 2011, 07:38:23 pm
Post by: LuckyNinja on June 02, 2011, 03:07:12 am
Post by: Valience on June 03, 2011, 12:07:21 am
Hey there, is there a quick fix for making the walls and floors distinguishable? I'm finding it hard to differentiate the two.
If you've already done what the big yellow NOTE text says on the first post, then you shouldn't really be having any issues. If you have done that and still can't tell the difference, try downloading the pack again.
Post by: LuckyNinja on June 03, 2011, 01:48:30 am
Hey there, is there a quick fix for making the walls and floors distinguishable? I'm finding it hard to differentiate the two.
If you've already done what the big yellow NOTE text says on the first post, then you shouldn't really be having any issues. If you have done that and still can't tell the difference, try downloading the pack again.
Nope, the walls and floor were just too indistinguishable for me.
Post by: Valience on June 06, 2011, 04:57:54 pm
Hey there, is there a quick fix for making the walls and floors distinguishable? I'm finding it hard to differentiate the two.
If you've already done what the big yellow NOTE text says on the first post, then you shouldn't really be having any issues. If you have done that and still can't tell the difference, try downloading the pack again.
Nope, the walls and floor were just too indistinguishable for me.
Odd. The only time I had a problem like that was when I got a savegame from a different tileset and I forgot to run the updater.
Post by: Thundercraft on June 14, 2011, 11:50:42 am
I would give many thumbs up for a 24x24 version. That would be amazing beyond words.
As for the 24x24 question. Having an actual size difference would be 100% ownage.
Don't count on a 24x24. But I dunno. It might be fun like I said at first to use these dwarvesAre you're still considering work on a 24x24 set some day?
as they are in a 24x24 set, so that megabeasts and giants can actually look huge in comparison to them.
Again, though, don't count on it. And certainly not until I'm done with this one.
I'm just curious, is all. I don't have a 1920-pixel-wide monitor, so I couldn't benefit from it myself. (Maybe someday... [sigh]) But it sounds like there are fans who'd love that.
Post by: TheCoolSideofthePIllow on June 17, 2011, 09:17:14 am
Post by: phenexian on June 23, 2011, 07:51:02 pm
This pack is much better looking than the other packs.
Post by: Herode on June 26, 2011, 04:50:33 am
One (noob's) question though : the accentuated characters are not properly displayed, the screen shows an empty square in place. Should be a font issue on my installation. Do you know how I can fix it ?
Post by: Knight Otu on June 26, 2011, 05:08:30 am
Post by: Herode on June 26, 2011, 09:08:45 am
Also, I noticed that on the Units/view/thoughts & preferences screen, the punctuation is not displayed except the dot (.) which appears as a gray square. On the vanilla version, the punctuation is adequately displayed, though.
Post by: Hitty40 on June 26, 2011, 05:58:33 pm
Post by: gtmattz on June 26, 2011, 11:01:28 pm
Post by: ScriptWolf on June 27, 2011, 07:31:20 am
Post by: Ironhand on June 27, 2011, 06:02:43 pm
The graphics set IS NOT dead yet. At least... I don't think it is. But I don't have time to poke it with a stick right now and find out.
In another month or two it will either be really smelly (and so we'll know it's dead), or it will have gotten all rested up and be ready to go again.
Seriously, though, I TOTALLY expect to get back into this. At least until 11/11/11, when Skyrim comes out. Then I won't have any free time.
@ScriptWolf: Originally it was a .rar, yeah. I figured zips were more accessible?
@hitty40: Sorry for the lagtime, here. It'll hypothetically work with mods, but I changed a lot of the original raws.
(Just little stuff like reassigning tiles and colors, and then the graphics raws which assign graphic sprites to critters and people)
If a mod is all contained in its own files (separate raw .txt files, separate image sheets, and so forth), then you can just merge them.
If the mod changes the same raws that I'm changing, it might be a little messy.
Post by: ScriptWolf on June 28, 2011, 11:03:59 am
Post by: MiniMacker on June 30, 2011, 06:37:29 pm
Post by: Thundercraft on June 30, 2011, 10:08:20 pm
The graphics set IS NOT dead yet. At least... I don't think it is. But I don't have time to poke it with a stick right now and find out. In another month or two it will either be really smelly (and so we'll know it's dead), or it will have gotten all rested up and be ready to go again.
Seriously, though, I TOTALLY expect to get back into this. At least until 11/11/11, when Skyrim comes out. Then I won't have any free time.
Understandable, I guess. The Elder Scrolls can be pretty addictive. I just hope folks do not completely forget about Dwarf Fortress afterwards. :(
Post by: Lord Vetinari on July 01, 2011, 03:45:53 am
Post by: Lysabild on July 01, 2011, 05:10:31 am
The graphics set IS NOT dead yet. At least... I don't think it is. But I don't have time to poke it with a stick right now and find out. In another month or two it will either be really smelly (and so we'll know it's dead), or it will have gotten all rested up and be ready to go again.
Seriously, though, I TOTALLY expect to get back into this. At least until 11/11/11, when Skyrim comes out. Then I won't have any free time.
Understandable, I guess. The Elder Scrolls can be pretty addictive. I just hope folks do not completely forget about Dwarf Fortress afterwards. :(
People might not play dwarf fortress for some time, but they'll return, because while new games come out and run their course, Dwarf Fortress is forever expanding.
Post by: ScriptWolf on July 01, 2011, 08:59:41 am
The graphics set IS NOT dead yet. At least... I don't think it is. But I don't have time to poke it with a stick right now and find out. In another month or two it will either be really smelly (and so we'll know it's dead), or it will have gotten all rested up and be ready to go again.
Seriously, though, I TOTALLY expect to get back into this. At least until 11/11/11, when Skyrim comes out. Then I won't have any free time.
Understandable, I guess. The Elder Scrolls can be pretty addictive. I just hope folks do not completely forget about Dwarf Fortress afterwards. :(
Once you start playing dwarf fortress there is no escaping you always come back to the game and the community, you lose your soul to bay12!!
People might not play dwarf fortress for some time, but they'll return, because while new games come out and run their course, Dwarf Fortress is forever expanding.
Post by: Hitty40 on July 01, 2011, 11:21:40 am
The graphics set IS NOT dead yet. At least... I don't think it is. But I don't have time to poke it with a stick right now and find out. In another month or two it will either be really smelly (and so we'll know it's dead), or it will have gotten all rested up and be ready to go again.
Seriously, though, I TOTALLY expect to get back into this. At least until 11/11/11, when Skyrim comes out. Then I won't have any free time.
Understandable, I guess. The Elder Scrolls can be pretty addictive. I just hope folks do not completely forget about Dwarf Fortress afterwards. :(
Once you start playing dwarf fortress there is no escaping you always come back to the game and the community, you lose your soul to bay12!!
People might not play dwarf fortress for some time, but they'll return, because while new games come out and run their course, Dwarf Fortress is forever expanding.
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on July 01, 2011, 07:57:31 pm
The graphics set IS NOT dead yet. At least... I don't think it is. But I don't have time to poke it with a stick right now and find out. In another month or two it will either be really smelly (and so we'll know it's dead), or it will have gotten all rested up and be ready to go again.
Seriously, though, I TOTALLY expect to get back into this. At least until 11/11/11, when Skyrim comes out. Then I won't have any free time.
Understandable, I guess. The Elder Scrolls can be pretty addictive. I just hope folks do not completely forget about Dwarf Fortress afterwards. :(
Once you start playing dwarf fortress there is no escaping you always come back to the game and the community, you lose your soul to bay12!!
People might not play dwarf fortress for some time, but they'll return, because while new games come out and run their course, Dwarf Fortress is forever expanding.
Post by: SalmonGod on July 02, 2011, 01:16:31 pm
Post by: Lancezh on July 04, 2011, 08:55:12 am
Post by: Mikehpoo on July 06, 2011, 03:21:27 pm
Second, I've embarked on a Serene biome and it has bubble bulb growing everywhere. The graphic for this bulb is really offputting and makes it hard to find anything on the top soil level, is there anyway to change this?
Turning off Varied Ground Tiles in the d_init.txt has sorted out the issue I had.
Thanks again.
Post by: lcf on July 23, 2011, 07:02:57 am
After switching to ASCII or other graphics, it's fine.
Save with description available here -> http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4712.
Post by: Slye_Fox on July 24, 2011, 11:14:44 am
A while ago, you made flowing water with numbers on them for the depth.
A similar system could be used for the letters.
Post by: Durithill on July 27, 2011, 10:36:47 am
I love the Ironhand tileset and would like to play this fortress (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4739) again if possible.
Post by: Blakmane on July 28, 2011, 08:51:36 am
I absolutely love the art style in this pack, but there is one thing I just can't get over. I usually play in cold or freezing biomes, and snow is appearing as a dark grey instead of white, which creates ugly contrast with other, non-snow tiles. I assume this has something to do with the new PNG transparency, but I'm only familiar with editing the old non-transparent tiles and my attempts to brighten only end up ruining the graphics.
Any ideas on how I could go about fixing this so that winter wonderland no longer looks like an old film noir? Not sure if this is a more general issue or specific to me, but I can post pictures if necessary.
Thanks for all your hard work, Ironhand!
-Blak
Post by: Durithill on July 28, 2011, 10:22:30 am
I don't know if there's a way to make it white all the time though.
Post by: Weaselcake on July 29, 2011, 04:01:14 pm
I usually play this with a human-fortress mod which changes a few things, including the models. It's kind of an eye-sore to see the same few human models waltzing around.
Post by: Redial on July 31, 2011, 04:59:37 am
Post by: Accessdenied on July 31, 2011, 07:58:01 pm
However, is there a link anywhere to a what each icon means? It's more intuitive than the ascii for me. (Which is odd. I grew up on roguelike games. Just goes to show). However, I occasionally see an icon which I can't quite work out. It looks like a mining cart in the areas I have not mined. Pressing 'k' and cursoring over reveals nothing.
Is the icon just there so you don't get MaMoBN? (Miles and Miles of Bl@#dy Nothing)
I have tried searching, but at present I'm kind of limited in that I haven't learnt all terminology yet and as such working out the correct search string is difficult. If you could give me a few hints.. :P
Cheers
Dave
Post by: Aklyon on July 31, 2011, 08:01:01 pm
Post by: Ironhand on July 31, 2011, 08:10:28 pm
@Durithill: The snow is actually grey because it's sharing a tile with sand. And if I made it brighter, sand would be ugly.
I figured people would be playing games in beaches and deserts and river valleys more often than glaciers.
But still, winter is kinda ugly. I know.
Post by: dennislp3 on August 04, 2011, 06:18:07 pm
I wish the human models would be tweaked a bit more, Including size and detail.
I usually play this with a human-fortress mod which changes a few things, including the models. It's kind of an eye-sore to see the same few human models waltzing around.
I second this...I almost always play humans...Dwarves are to easy and I cant stand playing them as a surface race....I am weird like that.
I cant find a set of human sprites for stonsense either...no human love it seems
Post by: Marble_Nuts on August 04, 2011, 10:28:42 pm
More than the confusion problem, it would just look great!!
You did an outstanding job so far, I feel bad about that but I just can't stand the ASCII, I will always play with your graphic set.
Post by: Greendogo on August 05, 2011, 06:45:57 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg2151549#msg2151549 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.msg2151549#msg2151549)
Post by: Thundercraft on August 06, 2011, 01:18:27 am
...I almost always play humans...Dwarves are to easy and I cant stand playing them as a surface race....I am weird like that.
I cant find a set of human sprites for stonsense either...no human love it seems
The variation (job classes & such) of sprites for other races in Ironhand's pack does seem a bit limited.
I do not find any graphics set for playing humans on the Dwarf Fortress File Depot (http://dffd.wimbli.com/) and I doubt one was ever made. However, perhaps the follow would be a start?
Spoiler: Human sprites & Stonesense (click to show/hide)
Post by: dennislp3 on August 07, 2011, 12:38:02 am
Post by: gtmattz on August 07, 2011, 01:32:15 pm
I was actually wondering if you could one day make some different tile for different traps. Could look really more awseome and be less confusing at the front gate where spike, stone fall, huge spiked ball, rotating blade and cage traps are all grouped together.
More than the confusion problem, it would just look great!!
You did an outstanding job so far, I feel bad about that but I just can't stand the ASCII, I will always play with your graphic set.
I am pretty sure the trap icons are hardcoded, so not possible for modders to change at all...
Post by: AlteredTomorrow on August 14, 2011, 11:38:24 am
However I'm having a problem in-game. Sometimes in combat actions will overlap or get cut-off so I can't see entirely what's going on. Is this a bug within the game or a problem with the graphics set? I don't notice it happening on other sets.
Post by: Khaless on August 20, 2011, 04:08:34 am
Post by: Rockmole on August 28, 2011, 01:03:04 pm
I have a problem, that the line with the selected item on the units and jobs screen (and probably some other screens as well) is "black on black" and thus unreadable. Is there any way to change that?I have the same exact problem. Plus it seems some names are cut off, perhaps wider characters like ö and ø and whatever they use sometimes. example with Th and Al in this image: http://i.imgur.com/Ieq2X.png
Post by: Aklyon on August 28, 2011, 02:16:35 pm
Post by: Subdane on August 29, 2011, 01:29:22 am
But perhaps someone could help me with something? When you create a new world and look at the world map, im not sure what all the "signs"/symbols mean... Like how do I recognize magma/lava on the world map? or a goblin tower and so on???
I figured out the volcano, but there are so many signs I have no idea what they represent...
Post by: Aklyon on August 29, 2011, 12:09:48 pm
Post by: Forumite on September 04, 2011, 11:49:52 am
Post by: Ironhand on September 04, 2011, 02:40:39 pm
Post by: Forumite on September 04, 2011, 03:51:08 pm
Perhaps you didn't update the raw files within your savegame?It was something like that, only the first region I created had this problem, the next one and the arena worked fine.
Problem solved, thanks!
Post by: Russell.s on September 08, 2011, 06:33:32 am
I have a question, however, regarding colours. I don't know is this is quite the right place to ask, but I'm looking to change the default colours for underground cavern moss. It's usually on the floor of caverns, but I'm afraid the colours of blue/yellow/grey makes things look too dark for my likings, and I was hoping to change the colour to be a little more green, so my underground garden can be a bit more cheerful... and remind me less of the blood of underworld creatures :P. Is this possible? Does anyone know how?
Thanks everyone :)!
Post by: narhiril on September 13, 2011, 03:27:32 pm
So, I totally love Ironhand, and all my friends who play df use it too. It even got my girlfriend interested ("OMG THAT LLAMA IS SOOO CUTE!!! Can I build a fort just to collect animals?") hehehe.
I have a question, however, regarding colours. I don't know is this is quite the right place to ask, but I'm looking to change the default colours for underground cavern moss. It's usually on the floor of caverns, but I'm afraid the colours of blue/yellow/grey makes things look too dark for my likings, and I was hoping to change the colour to be a little more green, so my underground garden can be a bit more cheerful... and remind me less of the blood of underworld creatures :P. Is this possible? Does anyone know how?
Thanks everyone :)!
These are defined in plant_grasses.txt in your raws.
Each type of grass has a line that reads something like
[GRASS_COLORS:3:0:1:3:0:0:3:0:0:0:0:1]
Each trio of these numbers corresponds to a color. These colors (pulled from cave moss) are mostly 3:0:0 or 3:0:1, which are shades of cyan. Changing the 3's to 2's will make cave moss more of a green color. Repeat as desired for other underground grasses.
This (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Color) page on magmawiki should help if you want to learn more about how DF handles colors.
Post by: Russell.s on September 13, 2011, 07:16:38 pm
Pink unicorns may be a side effect... :D
Post by: Marrik on September 18, 2011, 12:12:30 pm
Post by: Starlight on September 24, 2011, 07:05:31 am
Post by: scion-of-fenrir on September 24, 2011, 07:25:08 am
Whyare the coffins still not fixed? They look like O's instead of the correct graphics!excuse me, good sir, but it would seem there is a slight bug at present, where the coffins do not display correctly. Alsothe spoke'd circle/wheel on the trade depots are gone too..!, there is a similar bug with the circles on the trade depot - they seem to be missing.
FTFY
Post by: Wavecutter on September 24, 2011, 09:37:14 pm
Why are the coffins still not fixed? They look like O's instead of the correct graphics! Also the spoke'd circle/wheel on the trade depots are gone too..!
Way to crack the whip slave driver. j/k. Ironhand is taking care of business but has assured us that he'd return as soon as he was able.
Post by: Ironhand on October 04, 2011, 07:13:44 pm
and because of that it's pretty important to have a 0 that looks like a 0.
Since that's the same tile as the coffin, we had to choose between the two.
As soon as Baughn/Toady finishes up true-type support, we'll have it back right away!
Same deal for Os
And yeah, I know it's been a while. Thanks for sticking it out. Maybe just a little bit longer... ;)
Post by: Morwaul on October 04, 2011, 08:04:50 pm
Post by: jamesadelong on October 25, 2011, 12:29:13 am
Greatly appreciated.
Post by: Ironhand on October 25, 2011, 10:47:22 am
and change instances of "ironhand.png" to "ironhand_diagonal.png".
OR
You can go into your data/art directory and change the file called
"ironhand_diagonal.png" to "ironhand.png"
Post by: jamesadelong on October 25, 2011, 01:39:07 pm
Post by: Ironhand on October 25, 2011, 03:35:35 pm
I'm pretty sure that's how I had the files set up...
Post by: jamesadelong on October 25, 2011, 10:41:26 pm
Love your work by the way. Look forward to seeing what you get up to.
Post by: Ironhand on October 26, 2011, 12:56:22 pm
Post by: Gervasi on October 28, 2011, 03:11:58 am
is there any chance that we will get extra gfx for female dwarfs for this amazing piece of art, that made playing DF pleasing to the eye for me? Is it doable (fairly simple) to implement seperat icons for gender anyways? If you don´t have a go I would like to try it for myself, but then i don´t know about modding ???
Regards
ohhhh doesn´t work :( bummer!
Post by: Ironhand on October 28, 2011, 08:25:31 am
I'd love to make female dwarf sprites,
and I thought I could do it at one point,
but the game simply isn't capable of it...
Post by: Rose on October 29, 2011, 01:42:15 am
And they'd be able to have the correct skin color.
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on October 29, 2011, 06:14:28 am
Post by: Ironhand on October 30, 2011, 08:07:52 pm
Surprise.
I was only mostly dead.
Ironhand version 0.60. (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
There is a ton of new material:
Dwarves are done (that's 255 unique sprites!)
Critters are up to date! Some zombies don't look like zombies yet...
But if you see an animal in the game, it'll always have a sprite now!
Goblins have unique sprites for general professions, and distinct nobles!
HUMANS! They are done, too! Same general professions as goblins.
All sheets have been reformatted so as to be efficient and attractive.
Colors, sprites and tileset have been mildly re-balanced.
Enjoy!
EDIT:
Also, check out a side project I'm working on for a class:
Playing With Fire (http://playingwithfire.umwblogs.org/)
We've got a couple writers and a web guy and I'm mostly just doing the art.
There's only gonna be like half a dozen pages total. But it'll be cool.
The first page will be posted tonight at midnight. Check it out.
Post by: Tellemurius on October 30, 2011, 08:09:00 pm
Post by: Aklyon on October 30, 2011, 08:10:26 pm
Post by: Igfig on October 30, 2011, 08:45:24 pm
(I'm slightly disappointed that forgotten beasts, night creatures, etc. still don't have graphics... but I'm sure that's on its way.)
Post by: Ironhand on October 30, 2011, 08:54:00 pm
I wish it would at least use the graphic of its base creature, but no such luck.
Post by: KaelGotDwarves on October 30, 2011, 08:59:35 pm
Seriously.
Post by: Igfig on October 30, 2011, 09:01:13 pm
Like DEMON_1, DEMON_2, DEMON_3, etc.?As to the spider thing, Forgotten Beasts will always just be text for now. There's nothing we can do about it.
That's not actually true, though not many people know it. Something like this would work just fine:Code: [Select][TILE_PAGE:FORGOTTENBEASTS]
[FILE:beasts.png]
[TILE_DIM:16:16]
[PAGE_DIM:4:5]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_1]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:0:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_2]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:1:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
[CREATURE_GRAPHICS:FORGOTTEN_BEAST_3]
[DEFAULT:FORGOTTENBEASTS:0:2:ADD_COLOR:DEFAULT]
etc.
Just repeat that 200 times, or however many forgotten beasts there are, and your beasts will have proper graphics. Sure, the graphics won't have anything to do with what the beast actually looks like--but hey, graphics!
You can do this for demons (DEMON) and titans (TITAN), too.
Yeah, exactly.
I've been sitting on this secret for a while, mostly because of a succession game I snuck it into and didn't want to have spoiled. But that's just about over now, so go give it a try.
Wow, cool stuff! Thanks!
It would be hard to decide what they should look like, though,
since it's not based on what they're actually made of...
Maybe I'll try to make some sort of generic monster sprite.
Something like the demon tile I have right now, but with colors.
Then I could make a sheet of like a hundred different color variations of it,
and it would make it look like each forgotten beast and titan was just randomly colored.
Might be cool.
I don't know the boogeyman and night creature's names offhand, but I'll check and report back in a moment.
EDIT: Turns out they're both NIGHT_CREATURE.
Oh, and don't forget that you can use ADD_COLOR in combination with Tile Magic to get a whole bunch of variations out of a single graphics tile.
Post by: Ironhand on October 30, 2011, 09:10:10 pm
I had totally forgotten about that.
I'm gonna go and write this down right now.
Thanks again!
Post by: Theodolus on October 31, 2011, 12:47:43 pm
Post by: narhiril on November 02, 2011, 12:27:20 am
Regards,
nar
Post by: PhantomXD on November 02, 2011, 12:47:33 am
Post by: Pokon on November 02, 2011, 06:56:04 pm
Rise, dead set from eternal slumber/ and of which new dwarves shall be torn asunder.
Anyway, what a wonderful surprise! And I thought Christmas was in december.
Post by: Ironhand on November 02, 2011, 09:03:59 pm
Ironhand - would you mind if I included this update with the pre-packaged version of Legends of Forlorn Realms?
Go ahead!
I'll always say yes,
but I appreciate you asking!
Anyway, what a wonderful surprise! And I thought Christmas was in december.
Oh, it is. ;)
Post by: Fewah on November 03, 2011, 12:18:41 am
i loveeeee your graphics, but my biggest gripe with it is the darkness contrast.
My biggest problem is that in heavily forested forest with shrubs and everything it's almost nearly impossible to tell whats going on. The Dark Green with the trees and some of the lighter green becomes too much and i have to pause constantly to locate things otherwise i miss everything.
My biggest problem is goblins, they are not only green but with all the other green and different tones it's overwhelming.
Another issue is that if you look down on a Z level bellow you it's abit hard to tell that it's the level bellow. Basicly the same problem with the terrain colours being too dark and similar almost.
I hope you get what i mean...?
Post by: Ironhand on November 03, 2011, 01:30:42 pm
I tried to do a bit of re-balancing...
But I admit I don't really ever play the game.
So maybe I'll have another look at it if I get time.
Post by: carebear on November 04, 2011, 08:07:37 pm
But I admit I don't really ever play the game.Spoken like a true modder! :D
Post by: Iton Ibrukrithzam on November 04, 2011, 11:04:39 pm
Post by: schussel on November 05, 2011, 10:41:16 am
*fixes the leash on ironhands collar so he cant wander off again*
:)
Post by: SerpentStare on November 15, 2011, 03:45:22 am
Post by: jamesadelong on November 15, 2011, 09:52:45 am
hey ironhand .. welcome back .. be assured we missed you buddy :)
*fixes the leash on ironhands collar so he cant wander off again*
:)
*starts removing the links of the chain connected to his post*
Post by: Ironhand on November 15, 2011, 09:53:55 am
But it's still incomplete, and there's nothing I can do about it.
Eventually, all the text in the game will be TTF,
so there won't be any need for the tilesheet to even contain letters!
But until that happens, we're pretty limited in what we're able to do.
Post by: SerpentStare on November 15, 2011, 06:28:48 pm
I guess some of the graphics-enabling work got really seriously delayed, mm?
Post by: Theodolus on November 15, 2011, 07:31:48 pm
Post by: fred1248 on November 16, 2011, 08:52:10 pm
Post by: Aklyon on November 16, 2011, 10:04:21 pm
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on November 17, 2011, 02:48:25 am
The last I heard from Baughn (earlier in this thread) was that full TTF support is supposed to be incoming in the next release. But the next release has been taking a while to come out so we're still waiting.
Hey, i'm alright with waiting a bit longer for the next version so TTF can be fully put in.
Post by: Ironhand on November 17, 2011, 09:01:53 am
It's got a smaller screen (I can't actually use the set at its full size), and what I assume to be more normal contrast.
If you don't like my graphics set, check out Phoebus'. It's more iconographic and has better contrast and color balance.
And yeah, full TTF support would be awesome, but they've been promising it off and on for a while.
I'll believe it (and be completely thrilled) when I see it.
Post by: Ironhand on December 04, 2011, 12:25:29 am
(http://img.ie/18c5b.png)
This loser was the leader of the bandits at White River Watch, which is just to the east of Whiterun.
The level designers could have at least made him like a Jarl or something. :P
Post by: dennislp3 on December 04, 2011, 03:55:24 pm
Post by: Gobbopathe on December 11, 2011, 07:30:04 am
I played yesterday with the last version of your tileset (a pleasure to play with!), and someone looked at my fortress during a trade agreement, and noticed the quality markers were not corresponding to the "vanilla game" and the DF Wiki (see below).
Item Name — 1x 1x
-Item Name- Well-crafted 2x unknown
+Item Name+ Finely-crafted 3x unknown
*Item Name* Superior quality 4x unknown
≡Item Name≡ Exceptional 5x unknown
☼Item Name☼ Masterful 12x 2x
Unique name Artifact 120x 3x
«Item Name» Decorated object Varies unknown
I didn't notice that before, and was wondering if everybody using your tileset met the same problem. I had a look in this thread but couldn't find any mention of that fact. Is it related to the truetype fonts going to be delivered ?
Thanks for your enlightment !
Post by: Ironhand on December 11, 2011, 09:47:33 am
If it ever happens.
Post by: DuffDwarf on December 11, 2011, 10:11:07 am
Is this graphic pack always updated with the new dawrf fortress stuff??
greets
Post by: Ironhand on December 11, 2011, 11:20:05 am
Post by: Domenique on December 11, 2011, 11:33:42 am
Post by: Ironhand on December 11, 2011, 01:08:29 pm
I'm not holding my breath.
Post by: chris_strain on December 12, 2011, 01:02:01 am
Post by: 612DwarfAvenue on December 12, 2011, 06:35:07 am
Just stopping by to say that I love the graphics.
I second that.
Post by: ScrawBR on December 12, 2011, 07:51:45 am
This is my first post here. I Ironhand mod are so nice, but i don´t have any sound/music why?
Post by: chris_strain on December 12, 2011, 11:31:08 am
Hello guys,
This is my first post here. I Ironhand mod are so nice, but i don´t have any sound/music why?
Have you gone to the esc menu and checked under music and sound and made sure the sound is turned on/volume is up? If you are using the lazy newb pack and installed the graphics pack that way, I believe it toggles the sound off by default. If so then simply go to the advanced tab and turn it back on.
Post by: Ironhand on December 12, 2011, 12:00:26 pm
You can turn it back on by going into data/init/init.txt and changing [SOUND:NO] to [SOUND:YES].
Just stopping by to say that I love the graphics.
I second that.
Thanks, guys. Maybe over Christmas break I'll find some time to put some more critters together.
Post by: Iton Ibrukrithzam on December 12, 2011, 05:13:49 pm
(http://img.ie/959c2.png)
Post by: ScrawBR on December 13, 2011, 12:53:02 pm
Hello guys,
This is my first post here. I Ironhand mod are so nice, but i don´t have any sound/music why?
Have you gone to the esc menu and checked under music and sound and made sure the sound is turned on/volume is up? If you are using the lazy newb pack and installed the graphics pack that way, I believe it toggles the sound off by default. If so then simply go to the advanced tab and turn it back on.
thanks for the answer, i have checked the init.txt, i saw sound option ON, but is NO. lol...
Post by: Ironhand on December 13, 2011, 06:04:03 pm
Glad it's sorted out now.
@Iton. I'm a sworddwarf fan myself. But whatever works.
Post by: Tierre on December 15, 2011, 01:11:21 am
Keep up the good work.
Post by: htabdoolb on December 15, 2011, 10:03:41 pm
I have a question about installing it, though. Do I need to copy the entire contents of the zip file into my Dwarf Fortress folder, or do I merely need to copy over the DF/raws/graphics sub folder? I don't want to lose the modifications I've made to the objects folder's files as I've played and tinkered with Dwarf Fortress.
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find a good guide in the magma wiki on graphics sets.
Post by: Aklyon on December 15, 2011, 10:11:54 pm
Post by: htabdoolb on December 15, 2011, 10:32:35 pm
Post by: Iton Ibrukrithzam on December 15, 2011, 11:28:48 pm
I really like this tile set, Ironhand. Thank you for making it.By the by, I recommend keeping a personal changelog(fancy name for notes) on what modifications you've made. Makes it a lot easier to redo them if you mess something up.
I have a question about installing it, though. Do I need to copy the entire contents of the zip file into my Dwarf Fortress folder, or do I merely need to copy over the DF/raws/graphics sub folder? I don't want to lose the modifications I've made to the objects folder's files as I've played and tinkered with Dwarf Fortress.
I'm sure this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find a good guide in the magma wiki on graphics sets.
Post by: DuffDwarf on December 16, 2011, 08:35:44 am
Post by: DuffDwarf on December 16, 2011, 09:05:00 am
greets
Post by: Ironhand on December 16, 2011, 09:07:44 am
And also, I just answered this question a couple days ago.
You can turn on both sound and intro videos by changing the first couple lines of data/init/init.txt.
Post by: DuffDwarf on December 16, 2011, 09:08:59 am
Post by: Aklyon on December 16, 2011, 11:25:22 am
Post by: Sarlare on January 05, 2012, 12:14:56 am
On another note, is it normal for human lawgivers (and other nobility) to have the zombie sprite? It seems like many of them do from my past adventure-mode experiences. I'm not sure about monarchs, however.
Post by: Ironhand on January 05, 2012, 12:54:55 pm
Post by: Deon on January 05, 2012, 02:16:58 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 05, 2012, 04:47:22 pm
I'll check again, and make sure I've updated it for the next release.
Post by: Sarlare on January 05, 2012, 08:36:10 pm
Post by: Deon on January 05, 2012, 09:17:40 pm
Yeah, but I've designated a default sprite, I thought. And it's just the normal human.Default sprites seem to bug to zombies for positions for me, so make sure to set them exactly to their name too.
I'll check again, and make sure I've updated it for the next release.
Post by: Ironhand on January 05, 2012, 09:37:29 pm
Post by: Sarlare on January 06, 2012, 01:18:34 am
This is just for humans, right? Dwarves are fine?
I would assume so, but I haven't had a dwarven king ever migrate to my fortress sadly :(
I also did a quick fix for the issues with human kings not using the right sprite...I tried adding [KING:HUMIES:11:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT] to the graphics_humies.txt, but for some reason it didn't seem to effect kings in adventure mode (or so I though). I also added [MONARCH:HUMIES:11:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT] and [KING_CONSORT:HUMIES:11:4:AS_IS:DEFAULT] for safe measures and now kings seem to show the proper sprite. I'm assuming the King_Consort is the queen. After fumbling around in adventure mode it seems that the lords and ladies have the peasant sprite, convincing me that it's the lawgivers who suffer having a zombie sprite. Hope that this tidbit of information helps!
Post by: beefy on January 06, 2012, 04:43:43 am
In the newest update has the unit list been fixxed yet?
Or is the selected list still black? (Wait for Truetype)
Thats the only thing thats holding me back using the tileset.
Loving the graphics! Keep up the good work. :)
Have no access to a pc right now to try this out myself...
Post by: Ironhand on January 06, 2012, 01:48:22 pm
@Sarlare: thanks for all the science! I'll get it patched up eventually.
Post by: tyrspawn on January 06, 2012, 10:01:16 pm
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3762
Someone in that ticket reccomended Gentium, i overwrote my font.ttf with that, and it looks fine and no more crashes. Just one major problem: the font is very small, and I barely read it.
How do you change the true type font size?
If it snot possible, how do you change the scale of the non-TTF? Everything is cut off with the default ironhand settings.
Post by: Valience on January 17, 2012, 03:54:09 am
Recently started running into CTD issues with Ironhand, its related to this:
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3762
Someone in that ticket reccomended Gentium, i overwrote my font.ttf with that, and it looks fine and no more crashes. Just one major problem: the font is very small, and I barely read it.
How do you change the true type font size?
If it snot possible, how do you change the scale of the non-TTF? Everything is cut off with the default ironhand settings.
My limited personal knowledge and testing has shown that, with TTF on, any time a name would need to wrap around the window to display fully the game will crash. Hence why a small font will prevent some of the crashes. I believe it's probably some sort of "trying to draw stuff outside of the window, eff this brah im goin home" type error.
Anyways, to change the scale of TTf... I believe you'd have to make a new font. I haven't played with it much though. And the non-TTF stuff is whatever size the tileset you're using is, no scaling involved (unless you're zoomed in or out, of course).
Post by: Ironhand on January 22, 2012, 01:13:52 pm
Is there a way to update those images to more current ones?
(http://tnypic.net/48869.png)
(http://tnypic.net/132c8.png)
If somebody wants to tell me how to do that, that'd be awesome.
I can edit the page, but I can't figure out how to upload an image. Herp derp.
Also, yes, truetype still sucks. I think it actually has to do with parsing escape characters from some of the ASCII values.
Post by: Rex_Nex on January 24, 2012, 09:12:47 am
Hopefully Ironhand will be one of those people starting to update frequently again...? You're tileset is superb, and is pretty much the only one I would recommend to just about anybody. The issues with tilesets in general need to be addressed by toady though. Hopefully either him or Baughn have done something about the various issues; half-implemented TrueType being priority IMHO.
Post by: Ironhand on January 27, 2012, 10:34:23 am
even though I've been an awful host this last year.
I do intend to get back on the llama, but it's pretty hard to get motivated
when the true-type support sucks as much as it does right now.
...soon, though. Maybe.
Post by: StephanReiken on January 27, 2012, 02:51:19 pm
You 've got my support too, I started using Ironhand because of Genesis and its pretty much all I use now. :).
Post by: SalmonGod on January 27, 2012, 05:51:55 pm
Woo!
You 've got my support too, I started using Ironhand because of Genesis and its pretty much all I use now. :).
Exact same here. Pheobus is also excellent and has some great features over Ironhand, but Ironhand is by far the most visually pleasing.
Post by: Tecknojock on January 27, 2012, 07:09:33 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 28, 2012, 08:44:22 am
Post by: Aklyon on January 28, 2012, 09:44:42 am
This is definitely my favorite tile set.
Post by: gimli on January 28, 2012, 12:45:24 pm
I do intend to get back on the llama, but it's pretty hard to get motivated
when the true-type support sucks as much as it does right now.
What happened anyway? Buaghn stopped to work on it?
Post by: Aklyon on January 28, 2012, 01:46:13 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 28, 2012, 02:35:27 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on January 28, 2012, 07:41:47 pm
This is definitely my favorite tile set.
^ just saying...was poking in to see what you have planned for the new version! I can only imagine what beautiful stuff will pour forth from your mighty artistic talents in the time after the new release!
Also I was curious if there was a way to slightly decrease the size of the tileset to work on a 1280 x 1024 resolution...My monitor decided to die and I was forced to downgrade. I assumed (and am likely wrong in every way) I could just like...resize the whole thing with a photo editing software then alter the proper files to accommodate the new size? I suppose I could just play and deal with some of my screen cut off since its only like a 12% difference in size or something (18x18 to 16x16)
Post by: Aklyon on January 28, 2012, 08:25:08 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 28, 2012, 08:52:43 pm
I'm on a 1366 monitor now too, and it still looks great. You just get a couple fewer tiles.
Post by: arclance on January 28, 2012, 09:42:01 pm
Also I was curious if there was a way to slightly decrease the size of the tileset to work on a 1280 x 1024 resolution...My monitor decided to die and I was forced to downgrade. I assumed (and am likely wrong in every way) I could just like...resize the whole thing with a photo editing software then alter the proper files to accommodate the new size? I suppose I could just play and deal with some of my screen cut off since its only like a 12% difference in size or something (18x18 to 16x16)If you really want to resize the tileset for your monitor I wrote an Octave script to do that a while ago.
It is called Tileset Resizer (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=87196.0), the readme for it also includes instructions on what files need to be edited if you do decide to change the size of the tileset to make it display correctly.
You should know that due to the hardcoded 80 minimum displayed horizontal tiles that on a monitor with a 1280 pixel horizontal resolution Dwarf Fortress will automatically resize the tiles to 16x16 to meet this limit anyway.
I gave a more detailed explanation about the implications of the 80 tile limit here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=87196.msg2582949#msg2582949) if anyone is interested in it.
Because you want to decrease tile size you can get decent results by setting
Code: [Select]
[TEXTURE_PARAM:NEAREST]
in init.txt instead of Code: [Select]
[TEXTURE_PARAM:LINEAR]
This will make Dwarf Fortress use nearest neighbor interpolation instead of linear interpolation to resize the tileset (when zooming or using a tileset too large for you monitor).Because tilesets have a low resolution NEAREST should look better than LINEAR when decreasing size.
Edit:
I put up a comparison of the results you can get from the Tileset Resizer function intended for downsizing tilesets (resize_tileset_tilebytile) comparing the different interpolation methods available in Octave for final tile sizes ranging from 24x24 to 10x10. (http://sta.sh/0d0skljlidl)
It is very large (10.4 MB) so you will need to click on the Download Image button to see the fullsize image.
That should help you decide if it you want to spend the time to resize the tileset yourself or not.
Post by: dennislp3 on January 29, 2012, 01:03:03 am
Post by: dennislp3 on January 30, 2012, 09:04:03 pm
The above is a patch that fixes the TT issue...so...yeah dont have to wait for the release!
Post by: Ironhand on February 01, 2012, 09:49:06 pm
I should start spritin' it up anyway, huh?
Not long now before you people are gonna want an update!
Post by: Sarlare on February 01, 2012, 11:59:52 pm
Wow, cool! I'll have a look.Hurrah! I wonder if were-creatures will have their own sprites...only time will tell :D
I should start spritin' it up anyway, huh?
Not long now before you people are gonna want an update!
Post by: dennislp3 on February 02, 2012, 12:09:49 am
Wow, cool! I'll have a look.
I should start spritin' it up anyway, huh?
Not long now before you people are gonna want an update!
I was actually tempted to ask if you started working on an update yet XD I wont really be playing the new release until the first bug fix release (at least) and I wont get really into it until I have your wonderful sprites ready for it!
Post by: Torch on February 03, 2012, 04:08:53 am
Post by: Aklyon on February 03, 2012, 09:02:33 am
Post by: Ironhand on February 03, 2012, 10:28:10 am
change
[SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS:NO]
to
[SHOW_FLOW_AMOUNTS:YES]
Post by: Torch on February 03, 2012, 11:27:22 am
Post by: Deltaway on February 05, 2012, 10:51:50 pm
"I think I'm going to incorporate Baughn's SDL changes tonight."
What does that mean for Ironhand?
Post by: Aklyon on February 05, 2012, 11:07:04 pm
Post by: Blah on February 06, 2012, 02:55:02 am
We can also see how they were intended to be from the raws:
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_HAMMER_WAR]
[NAME:war hammer:war hammers]
[SIZE:400]
[SKILL:HAMMER]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:10:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]
[ITEM_WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[NAME:mace:maces]
[SIZE:800]
[SKILL:MACE]
[TWO_HANDED:37500]
[MINIMUM_SIZE:32500]
[MATERIAL_SIZE:3]
[ATTACK:BLUNT:20:200:bash:bashes:NO_SUB:2000]
Mace size 800, war hammer size 400. Mace contact area 20, war hammer contact area 10.
Post by: Ironhand on February 06, 2012, 09:48:53 am
...What does that mean for Ironhand?
It means an awful lot, potentially.
If TTF support is fixed, it means we suddenly have
some fifty new tiles to play with.
The largest complaint I get about this set is that
the text and tiles don't play well together.
And they don't.
But that's because we've been getting a head start on THIS.
All of a sudden, the text and tiles are going to be separate things.
So we'll have a .ttf file for fonts, and all those spaces in the ASCII sheet are freed up.
Which would be TOTALLY AWESOME.
Everybody cross your fingers.
warhammers!
Cool, thanks for the science.
The priority right now is the new stuff for the new release, but
I've never quite been happy with the warhammers anyway.
So I'll put this on the list!
Post by: Ironhand on February 06, 2012, 10:10:45 am
I'd like to get a head start on it now, so there's less turnaround time when it's released.
Post by: dennislp3 on February 06, 2012, 11:07:43 am
Oh, speaking of which, does anybody know where I can find a list of features for the next version?
I'd like to get a head start on it now, so there's less turnaround time when it's released.
https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1u8jibE1TV7BAwAI2b4TzRkWFlBboLiXMrVBhYmDYPhI&pli=1
Post by: Ironhand on February 06, 2012, 02:47:52 pm
Post by: Tecknojock on February 09, 2012, 01:13:42 am
All of a sudden, the text and tiles are going to be separate things.
So we'll have a .ttf file for fonts, and all those spaces in the ASCII sheet are freed up.
Which would be TOTALLY AWESOME.
Not only that, but DF supports extended ANSI, which will leave roughly 55 open character slots once all the characters necessary for DF are allocated, so those 55 characters could be used as tiles as well, albeit they can't be as fancy because characters only allow for on and off, with no partial shading (well hatching and half toning can be done).
Quote
Just tested it, it seems DF supports ANSI, but not Unicode, so that means that 0-129 ,141-144, and 157-158 are reserved for the numbers, letters, punctuation, and OS while 192-255 are reserved for accents. That leaves 130-191 (minus those listed above) (55 characters) that can be used as tiles. So, the max tiles available once true type is working are 255 full alpha graphics in the graphics file, and 55 characters (2 bit) that can be embedded in the font file.
Post by: Baughn on February 09, 2012, 11:47:33 am
The TTF support isn't flawless yet, but it's a lot closer than it used to be.
Unfortunately I can do a strictly limited number of improvements between DF versions, since I don't have the source code to DF as such and it starts crashing if it gets too much out of sync, so this release will also mark the point where I can start working again.
I don't really remember everything I did, but going by the commit list..
- Some improvements/bugfixes to macro functionality. Meh.
- The TTF code has been.. rewritten? That's terribly vague.. well, never mind. I'm sure it's good.
- TTF has acquired a notion of tab-stops, otherwise known as colons, which makes the menus look much better.
- You can toggle TTF on and off in-game with F12.
- Strings are abbreviated in a TTF-aware manner, so they don't get truncated when the TTF usage would leave a big blank space on the right.
- TTF has acquired an 'auto' mode in addition to on/off, where it'll turn itself on if the tileset is large enough. 14 vertical pixels, by default.
Post by: Ironhand on February 09, 2012, 03:26:22 pm
Before, for example, the dwarf description screen didn't use TTF text...
Post by: Baughn on February 09, 2012, 05:21:18 pm
You can at least toggle them on and off quickly, which would help if you want to develop a theoretical tileset. The existence of which might push Toady. :P
Post by: jamesadelong on February 14, 2012, 04:54:34 am
Post by: recluser on February 14, 2012, 06:13:56 am
Question: will ironhand work with the new version?
Answer: Provided there is justice in this world - yes. (eventualy)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: jamesadelong on February 14, 2012, 06:20:06 am
Post by: recluser on February 14, 2012, 06:27:14 am
I just loaded a fortress and got madness instead. HUMAN MADNESS!
Your forts name wouldnt include words like ''sparta'' now would it? ;)
Post by: jamesadelong on February 14, 2012, 06:34:59 am
Post by: Plasson on February 14, 2012, 06:52:59 am
and I'm not comfortable with the colors in this version. (used 0.57 up until now) and claystone and Schist wich my first embark has massive layers of.. well I just can't see any distinction between floor and rough walls
Post by: dieffenbachj on February 14, 2012, 09:24:37 am
Playing the new version with IH 0.6, only a few minor issues. Like wall-terminals seem to have defaulted, and that any dorf that attains the lofty jobtitle as "miner" also regresses into childhood, should one jugde by their sprite.
and I'm not comfortable with the colors in this version. (used 0.57 up until now) and claystone and Schist wich my first embark has massive layers of.. well I just can't see any distinction between floor and rough walls
Um, well, maybe you should wait till Ironhand patches, then see how the new version works with his tileset?
Post by: Ironhand on February 14, 2012, 09:47:19 am
Post by: nohrel on February 14, 2012, 09:54:15 am
On it.
Ironhand woooho! Gogo!
Post by: Wavecutter on February 14, 2012, 10:13:55 am
Post by: Plasson on February 14, 2012, 10:37:01 am
Playing the new version with IH 0.6, only a few minor issues. Like wall-terminals seem to have defaulted, and that any dorf that attains the lofty jobtitle as "miner" also regresses into childhood, should one jugde by their sprite.
and I'm not comfortable with the colors in this version. (used 0.57 up until now) and claystone and Schist wich my first embark has massive layers of.. well I just can't see any distinction between floor and rough walls
Um, well, maybe you should wait till Ironhand patches, then see how the new version works with his tileset?
couldn't wait :P , and I'm both pleased and surprised it's working atleast 95% without causing any hangs or crashes.
Post by: Ironhand on February 14, 2012, 10:38:49 am
This is a repackage with DF 0.34.01.
And that's it, actually. It's just a temporary thing so you can get your hands on the new DF release.
There are a bunch of new creatures in the game that aren't supported yet.
And you'll get warnings in your error log about all my zombie/skeleton calls in the graphics raws.
So just ignore those. They won't hurt anything... I hope.
I've got classes all day, but I'll see what I can do.
I'll have it all fixed up by tonight, and I'll start making some new critters.
...there are a LOT. :o
Enjoy!
Post by: nohrel on February 14, 2012, 10:42:52 am
Alright, here's a temp build (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511) for you guys to play with!
This is a repackage with DF 0.34.01.
And that's it, actually. It's just a temporary thing so you can get your hands on the new DF release.
There are a bunch of new creatures in the game that aren't supported yet.
And you'll get warnings in your error log about all my zombie/skeleton calls in the graphics raws.
So just ignore those. They won't hurt anything... I hope.
I've got classes all day, but I'll see what I can do.
I'll have it all fixed up by tonight, and I'll start making some new critters.
...there are a LOT. :o
Enjoy!
Well done kind sir! Downloading
Post by: Wavecutter on February 14, 2012, 11:38:26 am
Post by: kzel on February 14, 2012, 11:39:33 am
Just a couple of plant and fish raws to edit to get their proper tiles, and in graphics_critters.txt and graphics_dwarves.txt replace all ZOMBIE and SKELETON with ANIMATED for undead to show up. It's a shame both types of undead now share their tag but oh well.
Post by: BradUffner on February 14, 2012, 12:20:27 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 14, 2012, 12:59:10 pm
I tried using ANIMATED, but that didn't do the trick either.
Animated creatures just flash back and forth between
their base sprite and one of the tiles I'm using for gemstones.
So I'll probably move that tile to somewhere else,
and make that one look like a skull or something.
But yeah, it's a pity.
I spent a lot of time making zombies and stuff.
Post by: nohrel on February 14, 2012, 01:06:08 pm
The Font "words in the game " are really small as in to small for me, Is there a way to make the "text in the game" larger? I apologize for the newbie question.
Post by: kzel on February 14, 2012, 01:47:27 pm
I basically replaced each entry dealing with undead to something like :
[ANIMATED:CRITTER:3:0:AS_IS:ANIMATED]
They do the flashing thing between their zombie tile and the gemstone one, though.
Post by: dennislp3 on February 14, 2012, 01:47:44 pm
Post by: tyrspawn on February 14, 2012, 01:52:41 pm
I am so glad you made a temp fix...I was worried I would have to wait a week or some crap to even fire it up (I can do ASCII but your graphics are like crack...and I got hooked)
Yep.. I pretty much can't play without a tileset.
Post by: Ironhand on February 14, 2012, 02:01:58 pm
I did the same thing for critters, so I'll just assume that works.
Are there still skeletons and zombies in the game,
or is everything just "animated" now?
Post by: Wastedlabor on February 14, 2012, 02:18:33 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 14, 2012, 03:19:24 pm
Thanks. Fixed.
Post by: Subdane on February 14, 2012, 04:00:44 pm
High five coming your way
Post by: shiverczar on February 14, 2012, 04:27:55 pm
Good luck on the update.
Earlier today, when I saw the news that DF had been released, I was torn between waiting a few days for you to put something out or playing in ASCII since I had never quite got a handle on it originally in ASCII (I'm okay with simpler games in ASCII but with DF I was horrified when I saw all the dots and squiggles and letters everywhere, so after running several different tiles, finally got stuck on yours)... And am grateful I no longer have to make that difficult choice by the time I'm home at a viable computer. :)
I shall name my first dwarfchild after you.
(Not that that's a good thing :P)
Post by: Aklyon on February 14, 2012, 04:37:13 pm
Post by: Ironhand on February 14, 2012, 06:46:57 pm
Is that five high enough?
Post by: dennislp3 on February 14, 2012, 07:01:37 pm
5.9999999.
Is that five high enough?
5.999999999999
I was hoping for at least that...maybe I am just to optimistic for my own good?
Post by: Table Turning on February 14, 2012, 07:25:12 pm
Post by: Wastedlabor on February 14, 2012, 07:35:22 pm
Is that five high enough?
(http://i.imgur.com/9ahob.gif)
Post by: Ripolix on February 14, 2012, 08:18:05 pm
Post by: Nan on February 14, 2012, 08:50:21 pm
How do I install a tileset without LNP?It's generally as simple as first extracting the game for your OS (windows, linux or mac) then extracting the tileset into the game folder.
Post by: danaris on February 14, 2012, 09:07:13 pm
How do I install a tileset without LNP?It's generally as simple as first extracting the game for your OS (windows, linux or mac) then extracting the tileset into the game folder.
It's important to note, though, that when unzipping files on the Mac, it will not automatically merge folders with identical names.
Post by: bombzero on February 14, 2012, 11:28:03 pm
Post by: MiniMacker on February 15, 2012, 04:20:30 am
If you go back to your old one, it's going to feel stiff and bulgy.
Post by: Antonater on February 15, 2012, 05:30:23 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on February 15, 2012, 05:35:17 pm
ok so it crashes everytime i talk to somone in adventure mode :(
This is actually a common bug with the new version. You cant do anything about it except gen a new world until the bug is not present. I had to Gen 6 total worlds before I got one that worked.
Post by: Antonater on February 15, 2012, 05:35:47 pm
Post by: beefy on February 15, 2012, 05:56:27 pm
How is the True Type support looking in this version?
Would also love to know this!
Post by: Ironhand on February 15, 2012, 06:31:14 pm
The dwarf description screen, for example, still doesn't use TTF.
:(
It makes me sad.
Post by: dennislp3 on February 15, 2012, 06:36:49 pm
Post by: nenjin on February 15, 2012, 07:26:34 pm
Certainly better than genning multiple worlds given how long it takes now.
Post by: narhiril on February 15, 2012, 11:06:45 pm
It's not great.
The dwarf description screen, for example, still doesn't use TTF.
:(
It makes me sad.
I just want to know if it still crashes with long item names.
Post by: Yaotzin on February 16, 2012, 05:38:16 am
Post by: Wastedlabor on February 16, 2012, 08:50:38 am
Post by: Antonater on February 16, 2012, 12:12:27 pm
Post by: Igfig on February 16, 2012, 02:59:52 pm
(http://alleg.franontanaya.com/ardentdikes/tobulchased.png)
(image from Ardentdikes)
Post by: Gunnarr on February 16, 2012, 11:17:10 pm
Post by: BradUffner on February 16, 2012, 11:30:19 pm
this tileset updated?
It's updated enough to work. It has some issues, but it's still very useable.
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2012, 10:50:16 am
They are used for mountains on the world map,
the heads of ballista arrows,
natural hill slopes,
and carved ramps.
I'd love to make a dynamic tile that's actually a slope from one height to the other,
but that's not possible right now...
Post by: Igfig on February 17, 2012, 01:14:03 pm
Also, one other benefit of going the gradient route: since the down ramp goes from a dark shade to a medium shade, you could get a nice sense of depth if the up ramp went from a medium shade to a light shade.
Post by: runiq on February 17, 2012, 04:30:33 pm
Just wondering – the 0.61 temp version you provided is packaged with the Windows version of DF, I assume. In order to get your set to work with Linux, is it enough to just copy the raws and the changes to the init files over to my Linux DF folder?
Edit: I'll just use the 0.60 update version as a guide and try my best. I mean, what could possibly go wrong. ;)
Edit2: Everything seems to work fine. Do you want me to upload this somewhere?
Post by: Justiceface on February 17, 2012, 05:28:50 pm
Post by: Wastedlabor on February 17, 2012, 05:45:26 pm
Post by: runiq on February 17, 2012, 06:24:48 pm
Oh please upload a Linux version! I downloaded the latest pack and realised after I'd unpacked it that it's the Windows version. :(
Honestly, I didn't do much. Just diffed and copied over the files that were used in the 0.60 update version.
I won't upload to dffd, don't want Ironhand to have to cope with nameclashes or anything. Get the file from my dropbox, here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/26784238/update-0.61-temp.7z
Post by: hart on February 17, 2012, 06:58:35 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any suggestions for a quick fix?
Post by: Ironhand on February 17, 2012, 07:03:15 pm
The text thing is something I cannot fix. It's been that way for a year, and it's a TTF support issue.
Post by: Aklyon on February 17, 2012, 07:04:06 pm
Post by: hart on February 17, 2012, 07:18:24 pm
Yeah, apparently the update works just fine with the new version of the game. So that's cool.:(
The text thing is something I cannot fix. It's been that way for a year, and it's a TTF support issue.
Post by: rooth on February 18, 2012, 08:48:44 am
I'm quite a noob with installing/updating tilesets and used to let the LNP do all the hard work for me. Last night I finally started a new fort with your 34.01 download, the new therapist and raws i spent an hour ''fixing'' to prevent lag and pet-issues.
However, Toady just released a new, apparantly savebreaking, update; 34.02
What are my options now in order to get to play a fort with your visually pleasing graphics now? Can I manually edit his upload to get your graphics to work or should I wait for a new upload? And on a sidenote; do I need to edit my raws again for other issues or could I copy my creature raws from the old map without hassle?
Post by: Ironhand on February 18, 2012, 09:17:11 am
The update pack should still work, too.
But there's a packaged version.
I've fixed the skeleton/zombie issue now too.
Still no new critter sprites, though...
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on February 18, 2012, 09:23:56 am
Post by: rooth on February 18, 2012, 09:33:25 am
You could use this (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)! ;D
The update pack should still work, too.
But there's a packaged version.
I've fixed the skeleton/zombie issue now too.
Still no new critter sprites, though...
:o :D :D :D :D :D :D
Post by: Aklyon on February 18, 2012, 10:37:18 am
Post by: BigD145 on February 18, 2012, 02:25:14 pm
TrueType toggle is on F12, if you're having a problem with it.
The new 62 temp does not have 34.02's interface file, at the very least. I can't even guess what else might not have been copied over from 34.02.
Post by: MiniMacker on February 18, 2012, 04:57:10 pm
Post by: gimli on February 19, 2012, 07:49:19 am
Post by: Ironhand on February 19, 2012, 10:27:10 am
And yes.
Post by: ShnitzelKiller on February 19, 2012, 12:56:17 pm
Yes.What about MiniMacker's question? This is my favorite tileset, but I don't want to corrupt my saves if it isn't compatible. with .02.
And yes.
Post by: MiniMacker on February 19, 2012, 01:35:43 pm
According to Toady, there was some nasty corruption issue from the start. Which would slowly cause the save to become more and more unstable.Yes.What about MiniMacker's question? This is my favorite tileset, but I don't want to corrupt my saves if it isn't compatible. with .02.
And yes.
So I'd recommend you start over like me.
Post by: Aklyon on February 19, 2012, 02:04:52 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 19, 2012, 03:01:16 pm
Because of the change in the way saves are stored and read, 34.02 is a complete compatibility break with all previous versions.
-----
And Ironhand, can you tell me how to fix the old graphics so that zombie graphics can be used again? I need to update a custom race mod of my own...
Post by: ShnitzelKiller on February 19, 2012, 06:33:39 pm
According to Toady, there was some nasty corruption issue from the start. Which would slowly cause the save to become more and more unstable.Yes.What about MiniMacker's question? This is my favorite tileset, but I don't want to corrupt my saves if it isn't compatible. with .02.
And yes.
So I'd recommend you start over like me.
I understand that, but it's not what I meant. My save is already up to date, it's just that I have a different (compatible, but inferior) texture pack installed, because as far as I can tell, the last update to the ironhand pack is for the previous patch, 34.01. I have checked the package and noticed that it comes with version 34.01 despite saying it is packaged with 34.02, which is the only reason I am reluctant about installing the non-package patch over my current saves. That is, I'm waiting for an update to the set, but I am asking whether this is necessary.
Post by: utilitarian on February 19, 2012, 06:44:19 pm
I'm on 0.34.02, and on a mac. I can usually just copy over the files into their respective directories, and did so. I used this version:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617 .
However, this is what my game currently looks like:
(http://i.imgur.com/5DdQH.png)
Any ideas on what's causing this/how to fix it?
Post by: dieffenbachj on February 19, 2012, 09:15:21 pm
NOTE: If walls look like mushrooms or turtles or something, UPDATE YOUR SAVEGAMES!
All you need to do is copy your raw folder, and replace the one inside your save file(s).
Though if that map is from before 34.01, you should know that 34.01 save-incompatible with previous versions (and 34.01 had some kind of 'building leak' that would eventually destroy your save... so, from now on, if you want to play the latest DF you need a map made in 34.02)
Post by: Spiderking50 on February 19, 2012, 11:44:13 pm
Post by: RadHazard on February 20, 2012, 12:08:16 am
Post by: Hippoman on February 20, 2012, 12:18:50 am
Post by: ShnitzelKiller on February 20, 2012, 12:56:55 am
The current Ironhand download (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.0 (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=53180.0)) is for version 0.34.02. It looks like only the .exe was updated in that download, since the file_changes.txt and release_notes.txt are still the ones from 0.34.01, but the game itself is 0.34.02.
Oh, good. So to install it to my existing saves, I just copy the raw folder?
Post by: spadark on February 20, 2012, 03:04:09 am
Post by: utilitarian on February 20, 2012, 11:39:33 am
Post by: Knight Otu on February 20, 2012, 11:55:44 am
For some reason I am stuck playing as humans after manually updating 0.34.02 with 0.6 graphics. Does anyone here know how to change it back to dwarves?Something you did caused a duplicate error most likely. Check your error log, and you raw/objects folder for any "(copy).txt" or backup.txt or whatever else might be an automatic backup, and delete the extraneous files. That'll take care of things for any new world you generate.
I've tried genning a new world to no avail. I'm not too knowledgeable about modding/the raws but under cursory inspection only dwarves were found to have the [CIV_CONTROLLABLE] tag.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 20, 2012, 04:24:39 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Wastedlabor on February 20, 2012, 05:01:40 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 20, 2012, 05:02:39 pm
Post by: Ehndras on February 20, 2012, 05:28:41 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 20, 2012, 05:50:34 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 20, 2012, 06:23:52 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/xpzfc.png)
If there are any other creatures that people get attacked by on an abnormally frequent basis, I can prioritize those, as well.
Post by: Neonivek on February 20, 2012, 06:49:17 pm
Post by: Aklyon on February 20, 2012, 07:02:14 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 20, 2012, 07:09:51 pm
Anyway, cheetahs already were a part of the graphics, weren't they?
But, anyway, I whipped up a mosquito really fast:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2467tz6.png)
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 20, 2012, 10:25:20 pm
I swear, every bird-owner who plays DF decided to donate to get their own particular flavor of small parrot in the game... Well, I guess it'll make those people happy, so that's all well and good, but it seems a little odd that we have a world filled with more pet shop creatures than wild animals. (And who, exactly, is going to be afraid of "Peach-faced Lovebirdman"?) I have no idea how many of these birds are different other than the markings, so I just started palette swapping a couple of them.
(http://i41.tinypic.com/nwxzzc.png)
Swan, Wren, Osprey, Emu.
Lorikeet, Cockatiel, Peach-Faced Lovebird, Masked Lovebird.
Post by: Myiagros on February 21, 2012, 08:50:59 am
Early into the second year the game crashes just after the first migrant wave, usually before they can all show up. I try again and save the game when the migrants arrive. The wave completes this time but then crashes the next month. I then repeat saving and continuing throughout the migrant wave and am able to continue playing but after a few months it crashes again.
Is there any sort of crash log that I can check to find out what is causing the problems? In 34.01 I was able to play through 2 years straight without a crash but now it seems that I can only get through 6 months to a year before it crashes.
Post by: Talas on February 21, 2012, 11:14:42 am
..I like it!
But, anyway, I whipped up a mosquito really fast:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2467tz6.png)
So I took the liberty of un-gianting your mosquito, so there are 2 versions, normal and giant..
(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60088651/mosquito.png)
Post by: BigD145 on February 21, 2012, 12:52:33 pm
Excellent work on the mod. I am having issues with crashes though. First year goes by pretty smooth without any problems besides extremely low FPS, could just be my embark area though(more water and rain than I had in the embark from 34.01 which was near max FPS).
Early into the second year the game crashes just after the first migrant wave, usually before they can all show up. I try again and save the game when the migrants arrive. The wave completes this time but then crashes the next month. I then repeat saving and continuing throughout the migrant wave and am able to continue playing but after a few months it crashes again.
Is there any sort of crash log that I can check to find out what is causing the problems? In 34.01 I was able to play through 2 years straight without a crash but now it seems that I can only get through 6 months to a year before it crashes.
I'm guessing it's because .62 only had the main exe from 34.02 copied over. I think the raws are still from 34.01.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 21, 2012, 02:52:27 pm
All the birds from creature_birds_new.txt except for the magpie, kestrel, and kakapo that Kafine did (and I hadn't already done).
Crow, Raven, Barn Owl, Snowy Owl, Loon, White Stork
Swan, Wren, Osprey, Emu, Cassowary, Kea
Lorikeet, Cockatiel, Peach-Faced Lovebird, Masked Lovebird, Parakeet, Gray Parrot
Great Horned Owl, Albatross, Eagle, Peregrine Falcon, Puffin, Sparrow
Hornbill, Bushtit, Ostrich, Kiwi Bird
I redid several of these, including the barn owl, raven, gray parrot, white stork, loon, kea and maybe something I'm forgetting to make them look a little better.
I'll get the child versions and -man versions out probably tommorow or so.
Post by: Aklyon on February 21, 2012, 02:57:36 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 21, 2012, 03:13:32 pm
You are good at birds, Kohaku.
Thanks.
Hopefully, once I'm done with the baby versions, small versions, -man versions, zombie versions, small zombies, -man zombies, and baby man zombies, I'll be as good with the insects and slugs and such...
There's something like 300 total new creatures (plus children and zombie versions of all of them) so there is plenty of stuff to still do.
Post by: Myiagros on February 22, 2012, 08:14:10 am
I found out that disabling True Type Fonts completely clears the crashes that I was having, managed to play over a year last night with no issues.Excellent work on the mod. I am having issues with crashes though. First year goes by pretty smooth without any problems besides extremely low FPS, could just be my embark area though(more water and rain than I had in the embark from 34.01 which was near max FPS).
Early into the second year the game crashes just after the first migrant wave, usually before they can all show up. I try again and save the game when the migrants arrive. The wave completes this time but then crashes the next month. I then repeat saving and continuing throughout the migrant wave and am able to continue playing but after a few months it crashes again.
Is there any sort of crash log that I can check to find out what is causing the problems? In 34.01 I was able to play through 2 years straight without a crash but now it seems that I can only get through 6 months to a year before it crashes.
I'm guessing it's because .62 only had the main exe from 34.02 copied over. I think the raws are still from 34.01.
Post by: Greendogo on February 22, 2012, 09:50:55 am
There's something like 300 total new creatures (plus children and zombie versions of all of them) so there is plenty of stuff to still do.Does that 300 include the children/zombie/giant/-man versions? Or are there 1500 (300 x 5[different versions]) little creature icons needing to be done in DF2012?
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 22, 2012, 10:14:46 am
There's something like 300 total new creatures (plus children and zombie versions of all of them) so there is plenty of stuff to still do.Does that 300 include the children/zombie/giant/-man versions? Or are there 1500 (300 x 5[different versions]) little creature icons needing to be done in DF2012?
300 new creature definitions in the raws - that means "giant" and "-man" versions count (so 100 new natural creatures), but that doesn't count child and zombie versions, so since those can mix-and-match, there are up to 1200 new graphics to be done.
With that, roughly 30 down, 1170 to go.
... and suddenly, I feel a need to cry.
Post by: Ironhand on February 22, 2012, 11:45:22 am
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 22, 2012, 12:20:34 pm
(http://i42.tinypic.com/jsc3mb.png)
Loonman, Barn Owlman, Snowy Owlman
Kiwiman, Storkman, Crowman
I haven't bothered to put the outlines on the bottom three, in case you're wondering what's different, but that's something that is easy to do and which I don't particularly like putting on the graphics, but I do anyway, just because everyone else does it.
Because of this, I think I'm just going to do baby versions and then move on to the creature_bug_slug_new.txt critters. I'll come back for -mans and zombies later, hopefully when I've figured out something.
But first, there's one I've been wanting to do...
(http://i42.tinypic.com/fn5w09.png)
Beware the Peach-Faced Lovebirdman! NOW YOU WILL KNOW WHY YOU FEAR THE PETSHOP!
Post by: Wastedlabor on February 22, 2012, 02:02:13 pm
Post by: Dohon on February 22, 2012, 03:00:22 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 22, 2012, 05:54:28 pm
I'm putting Kafine's Kakapo, Magpie, and Kestrel and the child versions of the same in this image, so for those birds, all credit is due to her, instead. I'm also throwing in some of the -man things I did as placeholders until I'm sure what I want to do with them.
The blank spaces are for different versions (zombie, non-giant, non-giant zombie, -man child, -man child zombie, etc.) that haven't been completed yet.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You'll probably notice several palette swaps or just outright reuse on some of those babies, but I actually freehanded some of these from scratch, and they wound up looking almost exactly like the ones I already had... I tried doing some from the front, with the chick looking at the "camera", but aside from the owls, they turned out crap, so they all wound up in the same pose looking fairly similar. The falcons and the sparrows are an example of two chicks I drew freehand that look almost exactly alike.
I enjoy doing the new creatures more than the -man versions, so I'll go off and do creature_bug_slug_new.txt next
Post by: diegokilla on February 22, 2012, 06:52:53 pm
Post by: Greendogo on February 22, 2012, 09:37:05 pm
Anyway, beautiful work, I think you're doing a great job.
Post by: Wolfechu on February 23, 2012, 03:50:56 am
Post by: Hippoman on February 23, 2012, 07:32:18 am
Post by: Aklyon on February 23, 2012, 09:45:06 am
What I dislike is how when at the 'u' screen in dwarf mode, the highlighted person is covered up by a black line.Turn TrueType off.
Post by: SalmonGod on February 23, 2012, 05:49:39 pm
Post by: Sarlare on February 25, 2012, 12:29:32 am
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 25, 2012, 01:29:04 am
Great job on the birds, NW_Kohaku! I haven't been around for a while, but is IronHand still spearheading the effort on this texture pack as well?
It's still Ironhand's mod, if that's what you're asking.
I'm just making these graphics for the giggles, and passing them out to anyone who is making a graphics pack, (posted in Phoebus's, too) no real coordination going on.
There's enough graphics to make that people probably aren't going to complain about having someone take on some of the work on their own accord, that's all.
Speaking of which, I got sidetracked on doing the insects (moths giving me trouble), so they'll probably take another day or so, but I'll post all the giant, larvae, and insect-men all at the same time. I don't want to post so much in this thread that I start to bother Ironhand, so I'm going to try to do whole sets at a time.
Post by: Greendogo on February 25, 2012, 06:54:42 pm
Post by: Rose on February 26, 2012, 06:30:13 am
Post by: soul4hdwn on February 26, 2012, 10:59:02 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on February 27, 2012, 10:30:13 pm
Spoiler: Bugs and slugs (includes spiders, arachnophobes) (click to show/hide)
Mosquito, Damselfly, Moth, Grasshopper, Bark Scorpion, Mantis, Tick, Louse, Thrips, Slug, Snail, Moon Snail, Jumping Spider, Brown Recluse Spider.
All creatures are "giant" versions, since all bugs and slugs are vermin.
I created larval, nymph, or juvenile forms of all the creatures until I found out that none of these creatures actually have child tokens, and as such, I was wasting my time and effort. :-\
But I already made them, so whatever, I'm going to put them in, too.
Oh, and one of the other sprite artists says I should change the moth so that it's body is on the bottom of the frame, but I kind of like it like this, so I'd like extra opinions on the matter before I make a change.
Post by: BradUffner on February 27, 2012, 11:38:11 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on February 28, 2012, 09:17:39 pm
Post by: JanuaryCorp on February 29, 2012, 12:18:11 am
Post by: Ironhand on February 29, 2012, 12:50:43 am
Quick answer to questions:
Kohaku, you are awesome, and definitely not a problem.
And yeah, I'll definitely include your stuff in the next release.
Everyone else, this weekend is spring break.
So if I don't get this all packed up by then,
that's when I'll do it.
In case you're interested, the reason I've been absent recently is a new game project.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwtCywXW_qY
We're thinking about doing a weekend jam and making a game in 48 straight hours.
Maybe even accept donations to kick-start our indie game studio.
Would any of you watch a live-stream of Laughing Llama Studio making a game?
EDIT: Actually, don't clutter up this thread. Here's a thread to clutter up (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103090.0).
Post by: Lysabild on February 29, 2012, 01:02:41 am
Would any of you watch a live-stream of Laughing Llama Studio making a game?
Possibly, if I fall over it while doing nothing and you have sexy voices, definitely.
Post by: Ironhand on February 29, 2012, 01:05:11 am
I made a Creative Projects thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=103090.0).
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 01, 2012, 07:03:38 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 01, 2012, 09:46:42 am
but that's still really weird...
I'll get a package built tonight.
Post by: jellydonut on March 01, 2012, 02:21:55 pm
I have a problem. I'm not sure why its happening, but when I put the ironhand update pack into the latest DF release 34.04, I embark as humans instead of dwarves. The graphics show human sprites instead of dwarves. I can't figure out whats causing the problem.
I have this same problem. It's not just the sprites, either. If you examine your people you will see them described as "A medium-sized creature prone to great ambition".
Are you on OSX? Because I am.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 01, 2012, 05:47:47 pm
And I have the same thing. "A medium-sized creature prone to great ambition"
And thanks so much for updating it, Ironhand! yours is my favorite pack. I tried another graphic tileset and it didn't feel right to me.
Post by: acaerofox on March 01, 2012, 08:47:12 pm
Not only that I went back and through all the raws and the init files and could not find what is causing this, I am completely flummoxed by it.
I am running windows 7 64bit
Also - I decided to roll with this, I've been playing as humans for the last few days and in keeping with their civ i embarked on an aquifer and am building everything above ground, this is an interesting change - toady should make humans a fully playable race, with this weird bug they are pretty much playable as it is. If he wanted to he could probably make them legit in a single afternoon.
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on March 01, 2012, 08:49:22 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 01, 2012, 09:18:42 pm
Give it about five more minutes. I'm uploading it now.
Post by: Ironhand on March 01, 2012, 09:24:05 pm
It's a real one, too. I went and re-mapped a LOT of stuff.
There are still a ton of missing sprites,
but NW_Kohaku's are in, so thanks a ton for those! :D
They look awesome.
Enjoy, everybody!
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on March 01, 2012, 09:25:22 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 01, 2012, 09:43:56 pm
What is the meaning of remapping stuff? what will I notice?
Post by: RadHazard on March 01, 2012, 10:05:11 pm
Post by: wyrdness on March 01, 2012, 10:08:53 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 01, 2012, 10:22:44 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 01, 2012, 10:31:20 pm
What is the meaning of remapping stuff? what will I notice?
Hopefully nothing at all!
I just mean linking up sprites and tiles to the appropriate places.
I'm not sure if this was intentional or not, but your 0.65 release has sound turned off in the init file. Just mentioning it 'cause it confused me for a bit :).
Ah, yeah.
I usually listen to other music while I'm working on it,
so I have the sound off. Do people actually listen to the DF music? Should I leave it on?
Post by: Aklyon on March 01, 2012, 10:34:10 pm
Post by: Lysabild on March 01, 2012, 10:36:23 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 01, 2012, 10:37:30 pm
Post by: SalmonGod on March 02, 2012, 12:52:49 am
In fact, I rarely leave the music on in any game.
Post by: Hippoman on March 02, 2012, 07:21:05 am
How do I update my DF folder to the newest version of Ironhand, without deleting my saves?
Post by: Haekel on March 02, 2012, 07:29:18 am
So guys, I haven't played DF since years back so I needs me a refresher.
How do I update my DF folder to the newest version of Ironhand, without deleting my saves?
I strongly suggest you start a new fort, since a lot has changed "recently", and you'll need to relearn. And if "years back" really are a few years, your saves will likely not work with any new version anyway. As far as I know, safegame compatibility only goes back a few versions, until something big is changed.
Post by: Aklyon on March 02, 2012, 07:51:10 am
Post by: Intrinsic on March 02, 2012, 08:11:10 am
Post by: jellydonut on March 02, 2012, 10:37:09 am
Post by: Nerfer2 on March 02, 2012, 12:55:28 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/jbDxx.png)
How would I go about making this like it was before?
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 02, 2012, 01:03:17 pm
Post by: Antsan on March 02, 2012, 01:05:57 pm
Post by: netnazgul on March 02, 2012, 01:17:48 pm
I notice a lot of black bars erasing menu text too. Inv screen for dwarfs and creatures is cut off the side tooThis is a common issue for DF entirely, not only for Ironhand. So yes, the only way is to disable TTF until Toady fixes this (you can press F12 to switch between TTF and ASCII)
Post by: Aklyon on March 02, 2012, 02:25:32 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 03, 2012, 01:36:22 am
I'm honestly surprised, myself, at how some of these turn out the way they do. I did the snail, gray parrot, and parakeet, and looked back at it and wondered how, exactly, I managed to just do what I did.
By the way, I haven't gone back to draw the whatever-man creatures, yet. I'll go on with the base creatures unless people really want to see the Masked Lovebirdman or something more than the desert gecko. I haven't actually played fortress mode since 34.01 yet (only been trying out adventurer stuff and messing with the naga mod), so I don't know what you guys see the most of or are in the most desperate need to have graphicized.
Post by: Newbunkle on March 03, 2012, 06:15:59 am
I usually listen to other music while I'm working on it,
so I have the sound off. Do people actually listen to the DF music? Should I leave it on?
I don't use the sound. I listen to audio of people playing pen and paper roleplaying games instead. :P
Post by: Hippoman on March 03, 2012, 09:29:25 am
So guys, I haven't played DF since years back so I needs me a refresher.
How do I update my DF folder to the newest version of Ironhand, without deleting my saves?
I strongly suggest you start a new fort, since a lot has changed "recently", and you'll need to relearn. And if "years back" really are a few years, your saves will likely not work with any new version anyway. As far as I know, safegame compatibility only goes back a few versions, until something big is changed.
I'm using the version previous to the NW_Kohaku update.
Post by: Ironhand on March 03, 2012, 09:40:43 am
This one is better. I recommend you switch.
Post by: Hippoman on March 03, 2012, 09:43:10 am
Post by: Maldevious on March 03, 2012, 09:52:22 am
I would, if I knew how :C
You go here:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617
Download the upgrade pack, and then drop the files (data and raw) into your DF Folder, overwriting everything that it asks you about. Then you go into your save folder, and drop the raw in there.
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on March 03, 2012, 10:03:05 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 03, 2012, 11:52:41 am
It's fixed for the next version.
Thanks!
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 04, 2012, 02:32:24 pm
I had to give up on trying to show all 8 legs in picture.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Because I'm doing this for sharing between graphics sets, it's a 16x16 picture, so you might want to actually extend that spider leg a little off to the right when you rework it, but this image is symmetrical (sans some shading), so it shouldn't pose much editing trouble if you choose to use this version.
I did the desert critters, except for the tortoise, which Kafine did.
(http://i42.tinypic.com/29vx9ur.png)
Gila Monster, Giant Gila Monster, Giant Leopard Gecko
Obviously the regular Gila is just a cleaner version of a resized Giant Gila Monster. It should still look decent enough to service, however.
Apparently, leopard geckos have black eyes with white-yellow iris slits.
I'm not entirely satisfied with the gecko, but I wound up throwing away 2 other attempts to draw it, so I'm going to just move on with having done this one. Those darn gangly-legged creatures always give me trouble.
Post by: Hippoman on March 05, 2012, 07:05:58 am
I would, if I knew how :C
You go here:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617
Download the upgrade pack, and then drop the files (data and raw) into your DF Folder, overwriting everything that it asks you about. Then you go into your save folder, and drop the raw in there.
Forgot to say thanks when I did it, thanks!
Post by: Maldevious on March 05, 2012, 07:55:27 am
I would, if I knew how :C
You go here:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2617
Download the upgrade pack, and then drop the files (data and raw) into your DF Folder, overwriting everything that it asks you about. Then you go into your save folder, and drop the raw in there.
Forgot to say thanks when I did it, thanks!
May not have worked. I did the same thing, and then realized that I hadn't downloaded the newest version of DF as well (I was still actually running 32.02 when I did those instructions). Check it out for yourself, too.
Post by: Alexander86 on March 05, 2012, 01:58:57 pm
Post by: Hippoman on March 05, 2012, 03:13:08 pm
Post by: Greendogo on March 06, 2012, 03:33:58 am
So i have a 1920x1200 monitor and I was wondering. Is this as good as it gets as far as pixel sizes? I mean are ironhand tiles as detailed as possible or is there room for improvement? Not trying to sound like the pack looks bad because i love the sprites just wondering the capabilites of the game as far as what it can do. The whole pixel dimension screen/screen resolution confuses me. Could someone enlighten me? Also i would love to see this tileset used with the masterwork mod.I asked this recently and someone in the Modding Workshop told me that a 1920x1200 resolution, which is the upper limit pretty much of current generation monitors limits the resolution that you can draw the tiles at. According to the DF wiki, Ironhand's set is a 18x18 tileset and Phoebus' is a 16x16 one. They told me that a 48x48 tileset would make viewing the boundaries of the game difficult if not impossible on a 1920x1200 resolution because there must be a minimum of 80 tiles across the screen. I was actually going to edit Ironhand's set by doubling all of the sizes to 36x36 (and editing the raws to reflect this) and see what kind of effect that has, 36x36 might work OK maybe, that's what I intend to find out.
Post by: BradUffner on March 06, 2012, 03:40:22 am
So i have a 1920x1200 monitor and I was wondering. Is this as good as it gets as far as pixel sizes? I mean are ironhand tiles as detailed as possible or is there room for improvement? Not trying to sound like the pack looks bad because i love the sprites just wondering the capabilites of the game as far as what it can do. The whole pixel dimension screen/screen resolution confuses me. Could someone enlighten me? Also i would love to see this tileset used with the masterwork mod.I asked this recently and someone in the Modding Workshop told me that a 1920x1200 resolution, which is the upper limit pretty much of current generation monitors limits the resolution that you can draw the tiles at. According to the DF wiki, Ironhand's set is a 18x18 tileset and Phoebus' is a 16x16 one. They told me that a 48x48 tileset would make viewing the boundaries of the game difficult if not impossible on a 1920x1200 resolution because there must be a minimum of 80 tiles across the screen. I was actually going to edit Ironhand's set by doubling all of the sizes to 36x36 (and editing the raws to reflect this) and see what kind of effect that has, 36x36 might work OK maybe, that's what I intend to find out.
Check out the resolution on this baby. http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=soho&cs=ussoho1&sku=224-9949&~ck=dellSearch&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=2
Also, don't forget that some people run dual or even triple monitor setups that have far greater resolution that any single monitor. I'm sure someone out there is running 6 monitors in 3x2 configuration that could easily handle that 48x48 size tileset.
Post by: Greendogo on March 06, 2012, 04:26:47 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5792 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5792)
My understanding is that even though this technically provides more detail, if you don't have a monitor with high-enough resolution, any additional detail is not noticeable. But as BradUffner pointed out above, the time is fast approaching when higher resolution monitors will be more widely available, so maybe the graphic set makers should keep that in mind?
Edit: My guess is that higher resolutions such as 48x48, 64x64, 128x128 on up are probably possible and that there are no limitations within the game's code.
Post by: Crioca on March 06, 2012, 05:15:23 am
I usually listen to other music while I'm working on it,
so I have the sound off. Do people actually listen to the DF music? Should I leave it on?
I don't use the sound. I listen to audio of people playing pen and paper roleplaying games instead. :P
Ha, I used to do that as well, my favourite were the PA/PVP ones, what casts do you listen to?
Post by: Alexander86 on March 06, 2012, 06:50:22 am
Okay, here's Ironhand's Graphic Set doubled (quadrupled really) to 36x36 pixels from 18x18 pixels. It has a pregenerated world with an active fortress mode save for those of you who easily want to see first-hand that a 36x36 pixel graphical set is indeed possible with the current version of DF.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5792 (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5792)
Holy crap this is awesome! How did you do this? I have photoshop and several other apps just not much of the know how to use it properly. I can definitely see the difference. Especially in the text. *Salivates*
Post by: Greendogo on March 06, 2012, 07:02:50 am
This is a version of Ironhand's graphic set that is up-rezzed to 64x64 pixels per tile, all of the creatures and living beings have been replaced by a 64x64 image of a chimpanzee: http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/20754.htm (http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/20754.htm)
The base tileset has also been uprezzed to 64x64 to see if there were any graphical glitches in the game.
As you can see from the active Adventure Mode save, all of the living things have been replaced by a chimpanzee. On my screen the Chimpanzee's high-details are not noticeable as the game seems to scale the image back to fit on the monitor in use.
This means that higher resolution graphics are definitely useless unless the target computer has a high enough resolution monitor to view them with. The game will always have a minimum of 80 tiles horizontally, so the resolution of the graphics pack must take into account the size of the monitor (usually something like 1920x1200) divided by [80, 25]. For 1920x1200 monitors, the highest resolution graphical tiles that would not be downsized by the game would be 24x24 pixel graphical tiles (assuming a square tile).
Ironhand's set seems to be aimed at a horizontal resolution of 1440, while Phoebus' is aimed at a horizontal resolution of 1280.
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Edit:
Holy crap this is awesome! How did you do this? I have photoshop and several other apps just not much of the know how to use it properly. I can definitely see the difference. Especially in the text. *Salivates*Really, you can see a difference? I didn't notice, maybe I didn't pay attention. Since Ironhand's graphics were just up-scaled there shouldn't be a difference in detail. Personally the detail of Ironhand's graphics in his original pack and those from my modified 36x36 and 64x64 test packs looked the same to me.
Post by: Alexander86 on March 06, 2012, 07:13:30 am
Post by: Greendogo on March 06, 2012, 07:21:50 am
Edit: If you want to know anymore, send me a private message, I don't want to hijack Ironhand's thread about this anymore than I already have. I just thought I'd post it here since I used his pack and I thought he might be interested if he ever decided to upgrade the pack to a higher resolution later on.
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2012, 11:49:06 am
Post by: rooth on March 06, 2012, 12:16:48 pm
Post by: Haekel on March 06, 2012, 12:43:02 pm
Click me. (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
I just found out about the update and went to check this thread, hoping (but not expecting) to find a release. Your post made me squeak a bit, which, given the fact that I'm 6'7" and quite beardy, sure must've looked funny.
Thanks! ;)
Post by: vertinox on March 06, 2012, 01:09:45 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 06, 2012, 01:32:29 pm
He's actually in the game under the title "Champion",
which used to be given to any soldier with a legendary combat stat,
but now is reserved for a noble-designated noble that I'm not sure actually exists.
Post by: Aklyon on March 06, 2012, 02:35:51 pm
Post by: Linkeron on March 06, 2012, 03:15:48 pm
Okay, so I should note that I've been using Phoebus up until this release. I wanna try out your set, see how I like it.
So here's EXACTLY what I did, step by step.
1. DL'd your combo pack (Graphics set pre-installed onto DF), saved the RAR to the folder that I use to hold all my DF stuff (All in individual folders)
2. Cut/copied saves from my 34.04 games into same directory I saved your pack to
3. Deleted 34.04 file
4. Extracted your pack into its own folder
5. Cut/copied my 34.04 saves directly into the new 34.05 saves folder
6. Ran DF and loaded my fortress.
First thing I see is that all the dirt blocks that make up the inner walls of my fortress are appropriately colored for the material, but the tiles are all mushrooms. Walls that have ore in them are all spiders, but stone walls are fine.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any idea what I did wrong?[/s]
NVM, fixed
Post by: Greendogo on March 06, 2012, 11:21:05 pm
Post by: diegokilla on March 07, 2012, 12:16:54 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
To the right of the expedition leader it should say "Construct Building"
Any help would be greatly appreciated, or if this belongs on the bug tracker then please let me know.
Post by: Blakmane on March 07, 2012, 02:57:59 am
I think I might just be doing something wrong, as far as my init settings or something... but I keep getting missing text:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
To the right of the expedition leader it should say "Construct Building"
Any help would be greatly appreciated, or if this belongs on the bug tracker then please let me know.
Few questions:
1) Are you using the vanilla ironhands .zip or have you added/modded in extra content?
2) does the error remain when you turn on/off truetype?
3) what does your errorlog say?
Post by: diegokilla on March 07, 2012, 04:59:14 am
Quote
Few questions:
1) Are you using the vanilla ironhands .zip or have you added/modded in extra content?
2) does the error remain when you turn on/off truetype?
3) what does your errorlog say?
Getting these right now, I tried true-type off and on and it still did it, but i will try again to make sure. I'll edit this post with results...
Edit*
1) I used the file from here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511 (Also dwarf therapist and soundsense, thats it)
2)With Truetype off, The text stops being completely missing, but runs over the edge of the screen, and instead of punctuation there are random symbols.
3)I don't think this has anything to do with it but here's the error log:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: kgb on March 07, 2012, 06:31:37 am
Would you please put up an update package for 0.66 too?
Post by: Blakmane on March 07, 2012, 06:45:08 am
Getting these right now, I tried true-type off and on and it still did it, but i will try again to make sure. I'll edit this post with results...
Edit*
1) I used the file from here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511 (Also dwarf therapist and soundsense, thats it)
2)With Truetype off, The text stops being completely missing, but runs over the edge of the screen, and instead of punctuation there are random symbols.
3)I don't think this has anything to do with it but here's the error log:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I can't replicate your bug at all, but it looks like it is a display issue rather than some corruption of the files. Still, can you try redownloading the pack and running it fresh from the .zip? Never hurts to be thorough. If that doesn't help, what is your standard desktop resolution? I know if you have odd/too small resolutions it can cause graphical glitches in full screen mode, and the fact that truetype off makes the text run over makes me suspicious of this. What happens when you run the game in window mode?
Post by: Ironhand on March 07, 2012, 10:10:15 am
Would you please put up an update package for 0.66 too?
.65 should work with DF 0.34.05.
Post by: diegokilla on March 07, 2012, 10:13:43 am
I can't replicate your bug at all, but it looks like it is a display issue rather than some corruption of the files. Still, can you try redownloading the pack and running it fresh from the .zip? Never hurts to be thorough. If that doesn't help, what is your standard desktop resolution? I know if you have odd/too small resolutions it can cause graphical glitches in full screen mode, and the fact that truetype off makes the text run over makes me suspicious of this. What happens when you run the game in window mode?
It continues to do the same thing in windowed mode. And my native is 1920x1080. Re-downloading was actually the first thing I tried before I even posted here :(
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on March 07, 2012, 11:51:48 am
Post by: barcibus on March 07, 2012, 02:02:27 pm
Post by: diegokilla on March 07, 2012, 08:51:12 pm
Post by: Blakmane on March 07, 2012, 09:26:23 pm
I've been doing some investigation and it seems the people over at Phoebus have been having the same disappearing text issue. So I guess its a vanilla bug :(
Yeah, I can't replicate it, sorry :-(. I tried changing my screen to the same aspect ratio as yours but it still worked fine. Time for the bug tracker I guess.
Out of interest, does it happen when you disable graphics in the .init? I probably should've asked you to do that in the first place....
Post by: diegokilla on March 08, 2012, 01:22:10 am
Yeah, I can't replicate it, sorry :-(. I tried changing my screen to the same aspect ratio as yours but it still worked fine. Time for the bug tracker I guess.
Out of interest, does it happen when you disable graphics in the .init? I probably should've asked you to do that in the first place....
I hadn't tried that as I try to mess with as little of the .init stuff as possible. However, I ended up generating a new world for various reasons, and after embarking on a new site in this new world, it doesn't seem to happen any more! I've only been playing for about and hour, but will update if it crops up again.
(completely off-topic, anyone know why my dwarves would simply stop using Furniture stockpiles??)
EDIT* By the way, I totally forgot to say thanks for all the help... so... THANKS! :D
Post by: orius on March 08, 2012, 01:30:47 am
Just started using this tileset and it looks great. However, my stone jugs sitting in a stockpile look like anvils. Is it because they're using a temp image? Edit: also, stone pots look like some sort of vat.
It's the tiles assigned to them in vanilla. Toady has jugs using the same tile as anvils, in an ASCII set I think it's just a lower-case sigma (σ) IIRC. But when you use a graphical set, it will look wierd. That's the same problem with the pots, they're assigned to the tile for upper-case phi (Φ) just like the traction benches. I think Toady's picturing them as amphorae or something. But when you switch to one of the graphics sets, it looks like there are traction benches all over the food stockpiles.
It's easy to fix if you'd like. Go to the item_tool.txt file in the raws. Each item will have a line that says [TILE:#]. This tells the game what tile to display for each of the tools. I have large pots switched to tile 246, this makes them look like barrels rather than a traction bench. You can do the same thing with the anvils, I had them switched to the same tile as waterskins in 31.25, but I forget what tile that was.
Post by: jak9090 on March 08, 2012, 08:23:48 am
Post by: barcibus on March 08, 2012, 01:17:54 pm
Ok, thanks. Why would they look fine in the Phoebus tileset?Just started using this tileset and it looks great. However, my stone jugs sitting in a stockpile look like anvils. Is it because they're using a temp image? Edit: also, stone pots look like some sort of vat.
It's the tiles assigned to them in vanilla. Toady has jugs using the same tile as anvils, in an ASCII set I think it's just a lower-case sigma (σ) IIRC. But when you use a graphical set, it will look wierd. That's the same problem with the pots, they're assigned to the tile for upper-case phi (Φ) just like the traction benches. I think Toady's picturing them as amphorae or something. But when you switch to one of the graphics sets, it looks like there are traction benches all over the food stockpiles.
It's easy to fix if you'd like. Go to the item_tool.txt file in the raws. Each item will have a line that says [TILE:#]. This tells the game what tile to display for each of the tools. I have large pots switched to tile 246, this makes them look like barrels rather than a traction bench. You can do the same thing with the anvils, I had them switched to the same tile as waterskins in 31.25, but I forget what tile that was.
Post by: Ironhand on March 08, 2012, 02:35:49 pm
So I'll be doing a bit of that for the next version, and this'll all get fixed up.
EVENTUALLY, we'll have enough tiles to have separate ones for everything.
Whether that happens first through TTF support or the Shader Printer, I don't know.
Post by: Mike Mayday on March 08, 2012, 02:56:19 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 08, 2012, 05:22:37 pm
Post by: orius on March 09, 2012, 03:26:24 am
Ok, thanks. Why would they look fine in the Phoebus tileset?
My guess is Phoebus changed them recently, or he just has the tile designed to look good with either. Back when I found I could change some of the tiles around, I did some checking, the stone pot and traction bench used the same tile with just a normal ASCII set, and it was the same in Ironhand, Phoebus, and Mayday.
Oh, cool. I didn't know it was possible to reassign item tiles.
So I'll be doing a bit of that for the next version, and this'll all get fixed up.
Only some of them though, if they're assigned a tile in the raws. The wiki lists everything. Everything in the item_tool.txt raw can be reassigned I think, but most of them look ok. It's just the barrels and jugs that stick out like a sore thumb.
Post by: Clover Magic on March 09, 2012, 03:47:11 am
Just extending my thanks for this graphics pack, the only one I use, personally. :)
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 09, 2012, 03:08:17 pm
Post by: kgb on March 10, 2012, 06:07:03 am
Would you please put up an update package for 0.66 too?
.65 should work with DF 0.34.05.
Hm, I tried to use it with the linux version, but it always Segfaulted when generating a world. I then pulled the 0.66 files from your bundled version by diffing with the original and that worked. As my Arch Linux package depends on the update files directly, I would welcome it very much.
Post by: SnK-Arcbound on March 10, 2012, 04:49:32 pm
I hate even saying if something might be wrong (or if iron hand graphics are even responsible for some of these things), because I love your tileset, and it makes the game vastly easier to understand, especially when I was first learning the game.
Post by: BigD145 on March 10, 2012, 05:16:11 pm
Post by: BradUffner on March 10, 2012, 10:03:17 pm
Post by: barcibus on March 11, 2012, 01:50:04 pm
Post by: Fireborn on March 11, 2012, 02:07:23 pm
Is the tile busted for metal doors now? It seems like it is, as they're showing up as bars, and I've checked back in 31.25 where they seemed to use the proper (or at least a) door tile... but no one's posted it as a bug on the tracker...
Although, doing some research on the matter to see if I can change it, and doors using four different tiles, all hard coded, just... makes me want to yell... especially now that they're (hopefully) glitched and looking like the raw material...
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 11, 2012, 04:35:23 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 12, 2012, 05:57:10 pm
If you can find metal doors in the raws, you might beable to change it. but I'd have no idea where to look, or if its even possible.
No, it's not in the raws, it's hard-coded, meaning you can't change it.
You're stuck with bars looking exactly the same as metal doors, just as wood doors look exactly the same as specific types of walls. Because they are hard-coded, it makes tilesets very difficult to make look good in all situations, and that's why Mike Mayday has been going around asking people to help him get some of those tiles to be put in the raws so that they are no longer hard-coded.
Post by: krenshala on March 12, 2012, 07:29:19 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 12, 2012, 07:36:05 pm
Here's to hoping Toady gets a "move it all to teh raws" kick soon, so we can designate what tile things use to fix that kind of thing. :D
I seriously, seriously doubt it.
Mayday has been trying for something like 4 years now, and all he's ever managed was to get the pillar tile to be something other than "O".
Toady just doesn't have time for tilesets, and gives them as little consideration as possible. I actually get the impression he begrudges people for even using graphics at all, considering what inordinate time he puts into doing things trying to make 16-color ASCII looking pretty.
Post by: Mike Mayday on March 12, 2012, 07:45:05 pm
Mayday has been trying for something like 4 years now, and all he's ever managed was to get the pillar tile to be something other than "O".
That's a bit of an overstatement though. I've only talked about graphics in respective threads (full graphics support and recently those five icons that were bothering me the most). Toady would probably do that if I asked him directly- but I assume I'd feel bad after that (and maybe he would too?).
Happened once with the pillar tile- and soon after that Truetype came and made the problem obsolete.
Besides, I have high hopes for [PRINT MODE: SHADER] :)
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 12, 2012, 08:12:58 pm
Happened once with the pillar tile- and soon after that Truetype came and made the problem obsolete.
It's not really obsolete until descriptions are in Truetype, and all the truetype bugs are fixed. (Although Baughn has really been going the extra mile lately.)
I'm not replacing any letters with graphics until after I never have to punch F12 again.
Post by: Nerfer2 on March 13, 2012, 05:23:07 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/jbDxx.png)
Wow gee, aren't I dumb.
Post by: BigD145 on March 13, 2012, 05:59:25 pm
Post by: Rose on March 14, 2012, 01:23:14 am
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Post by: bombzero on March 14, 2012, 03:30:20 am
although.. it does work without crashing, so thats one step forward baugn :)
Post by: Dakaa on March 19, 2012, 02:06:05 am
Post by: MiniMacker on March 19, 2012, 06:55:24 am
Post by: Starlight on March 19, 2012, 02:01:49 pm
Post by: Rose on March 19, 2012, 02:04:19 pm
Post by: Rex_Nex on March 20, 2012, 12:39:42 am
FIX TH GODDAM TIELST
Post by: Wavecutter on March 20, 2012, 11:34:47 am
Post by: dennislp3 on March 20, 2012, 12:55:16 pm
Post by: Aklyon on March 20, 2012, 01:24:51 pm
Post by: Theodolus on March 20, 2012, 02:55:30 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 20, 2012, 04:13:42 pm
Post by: Drago55577 on March 21, 2012, 12:45:31 am
I've been doing some investigation and it seems the people over at Phoebus have been having the same disappearing text issue. So I guess its a vanilla bug :(Your making it sound like Ironhand and Pheobus are facilities, thats funny. Even funnier cause they are. Even funnier after their creators, bay12 is awesome.
Does Ironhand give corpses sprites?
(Im from Pheobus)
Post by: Vanaheimer on March 21, 2012, 01:22:30 am
Post by: Starlight on March 21, 2012, 05:10:17 pm
Any particular reason the floor tiles and some of the mining designations are so dark? It's really hard to see whats set to be mined and what isn't half the time.
I have the same issue (that is, I can't see any difference, not that it's dark, but it does not change the looks).. :-P
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 21, 2012, 05:43:27 pm
Any particular reason the floor tiles and some of the mining designations are so dark? It's really hard to see whats set to be mined and what isn't half the time.
It's the way that tilesets work generally. They make the "primary" color black, and the "secondary" (transparency) color brown when using designations.
The problem is that there isn't very much transparency on some of the tiles, so it all looks black.
Post by: Vanaheimer on March 21, 2012, 05:49:06 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on March 21, 2012, 06:22:02 pm
Is there any way to change that, or would it involve redoing a shit load of tiles?
There is a way to change that - it involves adding more transparency to several tiles. :P
Up stairs, for example, involve a top-left corner that is transparent and recognizable, but the downstairs are mostly a non-transparent block. Cutting a few transparent sections into the down stairs that are recognizable (if not immediately clear as downstairs) would help.
Post by: Vanaheimer on March 21, 2012, 08:31:51 pm
Me being the computer dumbass that I am, I've decided just to live with :lol:
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 07:40:31 am
Post by: Intrinsic on March 23, 2012, 07:54:44 am
34.06 is out! ETA for graphics release? please please please...
You've got to be kidding me...or hopefully just a very bad troll.
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on March 23, 2012, 08:13:57 am
34.06 is out! ETA for graphics release? please please please...
You've got to be kidding me...or hopefully just a very bad troll.
Why would he be a troll? ???
Post by: Intrinsic on March 23, 2012, 08:27:59 am
34.06 is out! ETA for graphics release? please please please...
You've got to be kidding me...or hopefully just a very bad troll.
Why would he be a troll? ???
Wrong choice of words, but you know what i mean :)
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 08:45:28 am
Post by: Wavecutter on March 23, 2012, 09:34:04 am
34.06 is out! ETA for graphics release? please please please...
You've got to be kidding me...or hopefully just a very bad troll.
Why would he be a troll? ???
Wrong choice of words, but you know what i mean :)
We don't know what you mean.
Post by: Rose on March 23, 2012, 10:05:29 am
I tried the vanilla release and I have no idea whats going on without the graphics.
take some time to learn them. Once you go ascii, you never go back.
Post by: MiniMacker on March 23, 2012, 11:14:08 am
I used to be an ascii guy. But then II tried the vanilla release and I have no idea whats going on without the graphics.
take some time to learn them. Once you go ascii, you never go back.
Post by: Rose on March 23, 2012, 11:34:32 am
Post by: Ironhand on March 23, 2012, 02:39:26 pm
The tools are all remapped to better tiles.
Let me know how they look in the game.
Enjoy!
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 02:42:41 pm
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on March 23, 2012, 02:45:22 pm
Post by: RadHazard on March 23, 2012, 04:16:57 pm
Post by: Valience on March 23, 2012, 06:31:59 pm
Okay, I made an update (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511).I love you.
The tools are all remapped to better tiles.
Let me know how they look in the game.
Enjoy!
Wait, wut?
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 23, 2012, 07:10:09 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 23, 2012, 10:19:53 pm
I love your new avatar, by the way :)
Thanks!
It's only 8 colors! :D
I just joined PixelJoint (http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixels/profile.asp),
so I intend to do some
more real pixel art soon.
I love you.
I love you too.
Post by: dennislp3 on March 24, 2012, 02:01:51 am
Post by: Wavecutter on March 24, 2012, 09:52:21 am
Post by: chris_strain on March 24, 2012, 07:52:45 pm
Post by: Haekel on March 24, 2012, 08:38:05 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 26, 2012, 01:51:29 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 26, 2012, 04:08:28 pm
Post by: BigD145 on March 26, 2012, 04:21:54 pm
Post by: Rose on March 26, 2012, 04:24:04 pm
how'd you do that?
Post by: Wavecutter on March 27, 2012, 12:45:08 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on March 27, 2012, 07:25:12 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 27, 2012, 08:19:33 pm
Ironhand, I hope you don't mind, but I uploaded a copy of Ironhand-0.57 to the file depot for a community game I'm running as it's no longer there. Also, I dearly love this tileset.
No problem!
waaaait...
how'd you do that?
:P
Post by: Ironhand on March 30, 2012, 11:04:32 am
IT (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
I haven't done much testing with the new dig-designations,
so let me know if they look weird or anything.
Enjoy!
Post by: vertinox on March 30, 2012, 04:21:19 pm
Come and get it!
IT (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2511)
I haven't done much testing with the new dig-designations,
so let me know if they look weird or anything.
Enjoy!
Did you change the borders any cause mine did change. It looks like diamonds. I kind of like it. Though my doors look like unbuilt doors for some reason.
I confess I did do an unorthodox upgrade. Basically I used Lazy Newb Pack, installed the .07 into a new directory, copied the save games over, deleted the .06 directory, downloaded your graphics pack, used LNP to install your graphics pack. Now it looks different. Could just be me though.
[edit]
Hrm.... Ok just to make sure it wasn't me I did a fresh embark on your version and made a door and it looks completely dark like the door is unbuilt. I looked close at it and its the same graphic as the regular door but its quite dark compared to the old version so it looks like a door that was yet to be placed. Is this intentional?
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 30, 2012, 05:30:40 pm
Post by: vertinox on March 30, 2012, 05:36:21 pm
Before the doors would match the walls, but now they are all dark.
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 30, 2012, 05:54:39 pm
Post by: vertinox on March 30, 2012, 06:08:26 pm
Are you sure they are built and not suspended or something?
They were built. I reverted back to the old version and the doors looked fine.
Post by: wyrdness on March 30, 2012, 06:19:09 pm
Post by: Ironhand on March 30, 2012, 07:10:37 pm
Make sure you update your savegames.
Post by: wyrdness on March 31, 2012, 04:47:48 am
Post by: Kuikka on March 31, 2012, 07:44:22 am
Make sure you update your savegames.Could someone enlighten me about this part - what are the proper steps to bring old saves from, say, 0.34.05 to most recent version of Ironhand build? I have usually just transferred the folder that contains my saves from previous Ironhand build to newest version but what I read from forum is a bit more complicating. "Updating savegame's raws" is unfamiliar process to me.
Post by: Aklyon on March 31, 2012, 08:16:33 am
Post by: Clover Magic on March 31, 2012, 08:24:29 am
(http://i42.tinypic.com/2it2dyw.png)
As well as the grey border around the game. XD
You can see one of the "built unfinished doors" on that dude's office, though. Little disconcerting, that. I checked and it's properly built, almost all doors look like that. A few escape, but they're the exception.
Edit: ....Actually the savegame transfer must have gone wonky sonmewhere. Those gray patches are supposed to be mined out bauxite. Uh. How'd that happen?
Post by: Ironhand on March 31, 2012, 11:11:58 am
The diamonds meant not using double-colored tiles for most walls,
so I ended up using brown and grey for most of them.
I can put them back to bright red if that would be better.
Post by: shovelmonkey on March 31, 2012, 11:23:36 am
Post by: Clover Magic on March 31, 2012, 12:30:45 pm
Un the upside your gems are fine lol. XD
Post by: MiniMacker on March 31, 2012, 01:01:53 pm
And to honour the older versions, where Bauxite was the only magma-safe stone.
Keep it red.
Post by: NTJedi on April 01, 2012, 08:58:26 pm
It might be best to take a look at it, bauxite isn't the only one affected. Kaolinite is now white, and gypsum is now this odd dark orange color. Galena has gone from a pretty silver-blueish shade to being white, and a lot of the minerals now have the rough wall rock texture instead of the mineral one they had before. It doesn't look as clean as the tileset used to.There's definitely some bizarre color changes... this is what I'm seeing within my game:
Limestone Doors and Walls are black... instead of white
Olivine Doors are blue... yet walls are still green
Lignite Stones are white... instead of black
Gabbro Bridges and Walls are grey... instead of white
My once bright white fortress of good... now looks like a black sinister fortress of evil.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 01, 2012, 10:21:29 pm
My once bright white fortress of good... now looks like a black sinister fortress of evil.
So you're saying "thanks for fixing it for me", right?
Post by: Saiko Kila on April 02, 2012, 02:49:14 am
There's definitely some bizarre color changes... this is what I'm seeing within my game:
Limestone Doors and Walls are black... instead of white
Olivine Doors are blue... yet walls are still green
Lignite Stones are white... instead of black
Gabbro Bridges and Walls are grey... instead of white
And my favourite ugly microcline stuff like doors is now pleasant blue. Can't hate it now.
Walls remain about the same as they were though.
Post by: Goncyn on April 03, 2012, 07:20:34 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 03, 2012, 09:12:48 pm
Here's some without backgrounds:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 03, 2012, 10:10:47 pm
Do you have something like this already, or have already considered this?
Post by: Rose on April 04, 2012, 05:44:31 am
Post by: wyrdness on April 06, 2012, 09:25:57 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was wondering if anyone else was getting this, whether it was intentional, and if not how I could stop it without reverting to a previous version. This screenshot is from LFR with Ironhand pre-installed, but I get the same effect from having a plain Ironhand install sitting in a separate folder.
Post by: Vanaheimer on April 06, 2012, 01:28:39 pm
Post by: narhiril on April 06, 2012, 01:53:43 pm
Okay, so I finally managed to get around to uploading a picture to show that "diamonds in the walls" problem I was having.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was wondering if anyone else was getting this, whether it was intentional, and if not how I could stop it without reverting to a previous version. This screenshot is from LFR with Ironhand pre-installed, but I get the same effect from having a plain Ironhand install sitting in a separate folder.
I found the problem. It seems that the inorganic raws for the pre-packaged Ironhand were updated to accommodate the new diamond patterns, but the ones in the upgrade pack were not.
This (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6113) fixes the issue. I'll go ahead and patch that into the pre-installed version of LFR as well.
Post by: wyrdness on April 06, 2012, 04:35:36 pm
Post by: Xnidus on April 08, 2012, 04:39:32 pm
Above, left to right.
Wombat (creature modified of Genesis Mod), Bobcat (creature modified of Ironhand), Chinchilla.
Below, left to right.
Porcupine (capybara's Ironhand modified), Weasel (normal version is ferret of Genesis Mod), Echidna.
(http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6236/mammals1.png)
Coati:
(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1640/coati.png)
Aye-Aye:
(http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6990/3465ix2.png)
Three-Toe Sloth (normal and man version) and Megatherium (giant):
1 row. SLOTH_MAN. Beware its claws!
2 row. GIANT_SLOTH. The beast of Pleistocene.
3 row. SLOTH. In the ground... ;)
(http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/527/345c6le.png)
Above, left to right. Pangolin and Armadillo (Nine-banded armadillo).
Below, left to right. Aardvark and Tapir (Malayan tapir).
(http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/5421/mammals2.png)
Above. Adder.
Middle. Anaconda.
Below. King Cobra.
(http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/5619/snakesy.png)
Giant Hamster & Hamster man. Giant Sponge (tubular sponge (http://www.buzzle.com/images/animal-kingdom/marine-animals-pictures/sponges/tube-sponge.jpg)) & Sponge man.
(http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/1511/morea.png)
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 09, 2012, 10:14:30 pm
I'm using inverted double lines for rails. Those'll either be distinguished from the hidden engravings walls through a color convention, or hidden engraving walls will be altered entirely. I don't like single line rails.
That means that walls are going to become very problematic with rails.
Post by: GoldenShadow on April 09, 2012, 10:33:09 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 10, 2012, 12:19:00 am
What sort of problem will that cause?
It's an inversion of the tiles use for walls - it means that rails will look like wooden doors do now, or in other words, like just the engravings section of a wall.
Post by: Ironhand on April 10, 2012, 01:44:05 pm
Post by: BradUffner on April 10, 2012, 06:37:04 pm
What I wouldn't do for full graphics support.Or even just support for more than 256 tiles.
Post by: bombzero on April 10, 2012, 06:40:13 pm
Post by: BradUffner on April 11, 2012, 02:04:46 am
(http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv120/pfat417/minecartmodel.png)
Inverted double lines actually look more like triple lines to me. Inverted single lines should look more like double lines, and nicely handle the walls / tracks problems that tilesets are going to have.
Or Ironhand swaps the tile numbers around a bit and fixes it?I don't think you can reassign the characters used for walls and engravings. Unless Toady changes something this is going to be a big challenge. It's going to be very hard to make a single character look good as a wall, engraving, and a track.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on April 11, 2012, 09:20:32 pm
I made a suggestion thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=107030.msg3179700#msg3179700), but it got a grand total of 0 replies, so I don't think that may go too far...
Post by: Saiko Kila on April 12, 2012, 03:53:06 am
Post by: the_game_hunt on April 15, 2012, 06:20:08 pm
Yes, I do.Everyone has it, disabling TT fixes it.
I think it was fixed but later Toady messed up it.
Post by: narhiril on April 16, 2012, 10:44:57 am
Always downloading a fresh-DF from Ironhand is the solution for MOST problems. Dont know if this is the case....
Yes, I do.Everyone has it, disabling TT fixes it.
I think it was fixed but later Toady messed up it.
There was a persistent issue where TTF would crash the game if a string was too long to fit on the screen. When this was fixed, the "some characters are blacked out" bug was introduced. Personally, I prefer this over the crashes, but it's a work in progress.
Post by: shinkunosuna on April 16, 2012, 04:21:43 pm
Post by: the_game_hunt on April 16, 2012, 06:11:34 pm
Oh so that's what it is, the true type font acting up. Yeah, I tried disabling it but I don't quite like the look as much. I do hope it gets fixed one of these days.I totally agreed with you, TT font on this graphic set is really nice,I dont like non-TT fonts at all (no offense ironhand).
Anyway, is ever this graphic set going to have mod support, like to Masterwork (I dont play it) or other mods out there?
Post by: Meph on April 17, 2012, 08:06:05 pm
The blackedned out characters can be fixed by pressing F11 twice. Only temporary though.
Post by: Marrik on April 17, 2012, 09:14:38 pm
Post by: the_game_hunt on April 18, 2012, 04:15:03 pm
@the game hunt: You have to ask the other way around. Will the mod ever have ironhand support. ;) At some point, yes. There is not much that Ironhand could do to make the tileset fit nicely into any mods, the modders have to do the legwork...
The blackedned out characters can be fixed by pressing F11 twice. Only temporary though.
Ironhands on Masterwork would be another thing!
When shall we (or I?) approximately have this? It would be awesome :D
Post by: the_game_hunt on April 19, 2012, 04:53:32 pm
Chert wasnt supposed to be brown?
Post by: vertinox on April 19, 2012, 05:23:39 pm
Post by: Manveru Taurënér on April 20, 2012, 12:05:25 pm
Post by: the_game_hunt on April 21, 2012, 01:43:30 pm
Bout these new digging designation/graphics thingy, do you intend to keep it in or scrap it for the next release? Personally I don't think it's worth it with all the other issues/weirdness it causes, such as bloodspattered walls getting the same diamond shape, colors being messed up etc, even though I love the idea :>
Yeah, i think reverting this would make it a little better
Post by: Ironhand on April 22, 2012, 09:02:57 am
And I haven't even thought about what I'm gonna do about cart tracks. :(
EDIT: I wish PRINT MODE: SHADER worked with windows and macs.
Post by: the_game_hunt on April 23, 2012, 04:40:06 pm
EDIT: Just noticed your fake?-EDIT, its nothing bad though.
Post by: Ironhand on April 24, 2012, 08:41:26 am
It was loads of fun!
You should check out the result (and other ones) HERE (http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-23/?action=preview&uid=12553).
And you should rate our game. :D
And next Ludum Dare, you should all make one! It is a blast.
I made all the art and wrote a tiny bit of code. I am very proud of the result.
Post by: the_game_hunt on April 24, 2012, 04:53:13 pm
Some friends and I just finished our first Ludum Dare Jam.
It was loads of fun!
You should check out the result (and other ones) HERE (http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-23/?action=preview&uid=12553).
And you should rate our game. :D
And next Ludum Dare, you should all make one! It is a blast.
I made all the art and wrote a tiny bit of code. I am very proud of the result.
I
OMG Sry, I couldn't
Post by: Marrik on April 26, 2012, 04:58:10 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on April 26, 2012, 05:09:30 pm
Post by: Merotek on April 26, 2012, 07:16:22 pm
Post by: Ironhand on April 26, 2012, 07:30:06 pm
Post by: Kuikka on April 30, 2012, 07:47:23 am
- I downloaded Ironhand's graphics set using latest .07 version
- I transferred saves from .05 to .07 save folder
- I copied DF (.07)/Raw to DF (.07)/data/saves/region/raw ("updating" .05 raws to .07 raws)
I encountered FATAL ERROR: Missing Creature Body Definition: RCP_EYELIDS when loading my save
- from this topic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=106267.0) I learnt that I have to use old eyelids definition so added them to body_rcp.txt
- I was finally able to load my fortress, and it seems some colours have changed. Siltstone, brown, is now grey. It doesn't bother me but I hope there are no other errors more severe.
Post by: tunio6538 on May 02, 2012, 02:54:05 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hippoman on May 02, 2012, 08:13:09 am
I finally ended up using version .07. Please check if I did it correctly - Aklyon told the basics but like most of the good advices it leaves something to be thought by oneself.
- I downloaded Ironhand's graphics set using latest .07 version
- I transferred saves from .05 to .07 save folder
- I copied DF (.07)/Raw to DF (.07)/data/saves/region/raw ("updating" .05 raws to .07 raws)
I encountered FATAL ERROR: Missing Creature Body Definition: RCP_EYELIDS when loading my save
- from this topic (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=106267.0) I learnt that I have to use old eyelids definition so added them to body_rcp.txt
- I was finally able to load my fortress, and it seems some colours have changed. Siltstone, brown, is now grey. It doesn't bother me but I hope there are no other errors more severe.
So that's how I fix that... I should keep that in mind if I ever get around to fixing mine.
Post by: NTJedi on May 02, 2012, 02:05:06 pm
Question:
Chert wasnt supposed to be brown?
I hate to pester but do you think the unfinished "finished" door issue is going to be resolved in next update? Currently I'm using old .67 since it drives me crazy.
There was several colors and designs broken with .68 version... I will try switching back to .67 version.
Post by: the_game_hunt on May 02, 2012, 07:15:26 pm
I still enjoy this Graphic pack, it's so dwarfy
PROTIP: Add banners!!!
Post by: mithosaurion on May 02, 2012, 10:05:15 pm
Any advice is appreciated.
PS: I love your graphics set.
Post by: the_game_hunt on May 04, 2012, 04:14:07 pm
Who is Wormslayer? What happend to him?
(If you think this is personal you can message me :) )
Post by: Ironhand on May 04, 2012, 10:38:02 pm
Post by: Tierre on May 05, 2012, 03:22:11 am
I recently made a new race, got it working in the current version of dwarf fortress, and started playing with it in fortress mode. Only I just realized that despite the fact that I set the race to look exactly like elves (basically copying and pasting the [CREATURE_TILE:'e'][COLOR:3:0:0] and [CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE:137] lines from the elf entry) they look like the letter e. Is there a way I can make the graphics pack recognize them as elves for the sake of graphics?
Any advice is appreciated.
PS: I love your graphics set.
You should add this creature to txt files in raw\graphics folder. This is where all graphics is assigned to creatures. Just find elves and copy their part of file to the end of it and then change creature name from ELF to your creatures (though don't forget that older elves part should still be there or they will show up as 'e' now).
And now my question - i didn't read this thread rom december and it's got a lot of pages:( So i installed your graphics pack into my moded DF and i changed all the tiles from civforge mod to look good in your tileset. But the problem is the things i see mentioned on this page - how can we repair diamond shaped problem? I can do it manually i just need an insight on what to do:) And on other bugs too - i will do it myself as i don't want to wait for another release:) I can even change what is needed and sent Ironhand a copy with all files repaired so that he can upload it:)
BTW i just checked - dorrs look fine. So only problem is that diamond shape.
Post by: Ironhand on May 05, 2012, 06:46:14 am
Post by: Tierre on May 05, 2012, 07:23:49 am
Post by: BradUffner on May 05, 2012, 10:44:20 am
And what can i do now to repair diamonds? They are pretty annoying:) It's obviously some problem that central part of a tile is not filled with a background color as i see it (might be wrong).
Try copying over that tile from a previous version of the set.
Post by: Tierre on May 05, 2012, 11:28:50 am
And what can i do now to repair diamonds? They are pretty annoying:) It's obviously some problem that central part of a tile is not filled with a background color as i see it (might be wrong).
Try copying over that tile from a previous version of the set.
Can't find that version:( Wimbli got 0.68 only and my previous version was from 31.25. Maybe that will work....
Seems like i repaired it by chanaging all diamond tiles to 31.25 ironhand version with TIleGenie.
Post by: Bo-Rufus CMVII on May 08, 2012, 12:43:13 am
There was several colors and designs broken with .68 version... I will try switching back to .67 version.
Is 0.67 still available on line anywhere? I'm not finding a link.
Post by: Ironhand on May 08, 2012, 07:29:10 am
I went and hosted Ironhand 0.67u on Dropbox.
You can get it here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/Ironhand%200.67u.zip).
Post by: Bo-Rufus CMVII on May 08, 2012, 07:23:55 pm
Sorry about all the complaints with the last version.Thanks. We all appreciate the work you do, and I appreciate the quick response.
I went and hosted Ironhand 0.67u on Dropbox.
You can get it here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10973218/Ironhand%200.67u.zip).
Did you sometime in the past year or so make changes so that some of the unmined stone/mineral types are rendered with a 'v', a '-', or the "lunchbox" icon? Or is my system configured wrong? I never saw any of that before.
Post by: Ironhand on May 09, 2012, 07:09:46 am
I can have a look, though.
Post by: BradUffner on May 11, 2012, 02:54:48 am
Seems like i repaired it by chanaging all diamond tiles to 31.25 ironhand version with TIleGenie.
I love it when one of my programs is useful! I hadn't even thought of using TileGenie. I'm way too focused on Raw Explorer these days.
Post by: uristmcgamer on May 11, 2012, 05:34:23 am
Post by: the_game_hunt on May 14, 2012, 08:10:56 am
EDIT: My reply sounds to strange, it seems that in other words its telling "Update Ironhands! *whips*.
But its not
Post by: Jacko13 on May 14, 2012, 10:08:10 am
Thanks again for the awesome graphics!
Post by: Meph on May 14, 2012, 10:11:23 am
Post by: BradUffner on May 14, 2012, 11:04:10 am
Updating to 34.08 should only consist of changing the tile for the new tools, meaning minecarts, thats it.Going to have to do /something/ about those tracks too.
Post by: the_game_hunt on May 14, 2012, 01:34:25 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on May 14, 2012, 01:54:58 pm
Presumably, you can use the single lines already used for rivers and making transparencies around the rivers to create the inverse color you need.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on May 14, 2012, 04:28:13 pm
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rp8md2.png)
Transparency tile on the left, what it looks like with blue fore/black background colors (like rivers on the map), and what it looks like with black fore and white background colors (like an inverse for use as rails).
You can use the same blackspace tricks to make an inverse tile
Post by: Spiderking50 on May 14, 2012, 05:12:59 pm
Post by: BradUffner on May 14, 2012, 08:14:58 pm
I made a quick mockup using Phoebus's set (because that set doesn't have bends in the rivers, so it's easier to do this).
(http://i47.tinypic.com/2rp8md2.png)
Transparency tile on the left, what it looks like with blue fore/black background colors (like rivers on the map), and what it looks like with black fore and white background colors (like an inverse for use as rails).
You can use the same blackspace tricks to make an inverse tile
The rivers are single line tiles if I remember, and the tracks are double line tiles from what I recall Toady mentioning (I'll admit, I haven't run the new version yet to see). Messing with the single line tile isn't really going to help in this situation, is it?
Post by: NW_Kohaku on May 14, 2012, 08:37:43 pm
The rivers are single line tiles if I remember, and the tracks are double line tiles from what I recall Toady mentioning (I'll admit, I haven't run the new version yet to see). Messing with the single line tile isn't really going to help in this situation, is it?
Check your d_init.txt - Toady was kind enough to leave us all the tiles in the init files for us to play with at our leisure.
Post by: Ironhand on May 14, 2012, 09:04:20 pm
Long time no see.
There is a lot of stuff going on in my life right now.
I have just completed a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science.
My twin sister is also graduating this week, which is also our birthday.
I will soon be starting my first ever real job as a software developer.
I'm also trying to land a new apartment and furniture and whatnot.
And for the first time in my life I have a girlfriend.
So it's all good.
I can't complain.
But you can!
Because DF isn't my top priority right now.
Maybe I'll get around to it eventually.
But don't be sitting around just waiting on it.
Use Phoebus for a while. It's an excellent set.
Sorry, guys.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on May 14, 2012, 09:08:42 pm
I have just completed a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science.
My twin sister is also graduating this week, which is also our birthday.
I will soon be starting my first ever real job as a software developer.
I'm also trying to land a new apartment and furniture and whatnot.
And for the first time in my life I have a girlfriend.
Wow, congratulations, man!
Post by: ClkWrkJester on May 14, 2012, 09:21:50 pm
No apologizing. thank you for your work til now, and happy trails! Til we meet again.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 14, 2012, 10:51:57 pm
Post by: BradUffner on May 14, 2012, 10:53:58 pm
Since Ironhand has a life and I still don't. I looked up how to get my favorite tileset to work with .08 and I think I succeeded. I used a tile merger program to update the raws and did some file compares with cmd prompt "fc" I think i found most of the relevant stuff. I copied the colors.txt from the init and manually copied stuff from the init and d_init.txt. I copied the graphics folder stuff over and it appears to work. The game loads and I have dwarfs and everything looks the same. The only thing that needs work is figuring out how to assign the correct tiles to the new tracks, wheelbarrows and minecarts. If I can figure out the track stuff, could I upload it for everyone else?
My hero!
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 14, 2012, 11:05:47 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 15, 2012, 12:19:37 am
I made the minecart use the same tile as traction benches. It seems to be a good fit until something can be drawn.
I decided to make the end track tiles the arrows. They point toward the direction their piece connects to. If you build track stops ontop of them, you will see the track stop and not the arrows.
The track stops were trickier. I don't know if it is possible change which tile the Track Stop uses, so I just added some transparency to it so its not solid black.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 15, 2012, 12:42:59 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Edit: I just realized that some of my personal preferences are included.
In announcements.txt I turned off pause and recenter for damp and warm stone, aswell as citizen birth. I added paused and recenter for citizen death.
Sound is not disabled, but starting volume level is zero. Show Flow amounts is set to YES
Another small bug I just discovered. In D-init.txt, remove the apostrophes around the 199 in to fix single block walls looking like a number 1.
[PILLAR_TILE:'199'] to
[PILLAR_TILE:199]
Post by: Intrinsic on May 15, 2012, 02:58:41 am
Post by: caddybear on May 15, 2012, 07:50:05 am
Post by: the_game_hunt on May 15, 2012, 08:18:49 am
Ok, here is the file. If its not cool to do this, let me know and I'll take it down.Thanks for it and:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Edit: I just realized that some of my personal preferences are included.
In announcements.txt I turned off pause and recenter for damp and warm stone, aswell as citizen birth. I added paused and recenter for citizen death.
Sound is not disabled, but starting volume level is zero. Show Flow amounts is set to YES
Another small bug I just discovered. In D-init.txt, remove the apostrophes around the 199 in to fix single block walls looking like a number 1.
[PILLAR_TILE:'199'] to
[PILLAR_TILE:199]
Im glad to see everything is going well to you Ironhand, but let me tell you;
I once in minecraftforums I had a mod with my friends, but one day we decided not to update it, then the next day, the same happened. We decided to not update our mod again.
If you dont update this soon, I'm afraid you will forget about the graphic pack and never update it, whick happened to me and my friends.
I wish you good luck! :D
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 15, 2012, 05:13:04 pm
Newer version which should look a little better. It contains an edited tileset with a new dedicated wheelbarrow sprite and fixed rails, no more arrows. The pillar problem is also fixed.
Post by: ignatzami on May 15, 2012, 07:33:04 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6311
Newer version which should look a little better. It contains an edited tileset with a new dedicated wheelbarrow sprite and fixed rails, no more arrows. The pillar problem is also fixed.
Looks fantastic, thank you.
Post by: Fireborn on May 15, 2012, 07:48:47 pm
I have just completed a Bachelors Degree in Computer Science.Congratulations
My twin sister is also graduating this week, which is also our birthday.Congratulations
I will soon be starting my first ever real job as a software developer.Congratulations
I'm also trying to land a new apartment and furniture and whatnot.Congratulations
And for the first time in my life I have a girlfriend.Unsure if congratulate.
Because DF isn't my top priority right now.Curse your priorities not aligning with my whims!
Maybe I'll get around to it eventually.
But don't be sitting around just waiting on it.
Use Phoebus for a while. It's an excellent set.
Sorry, guys.
Ok, here is the file. If its not cool to do this, let me know and I'll take it down.Thank you good sir.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Post by: NTJedi on May 15, 2012, 08:31:33 pm
I wish you the best of luck Ironhand.
Post by: NTJedi on May 15, 2012, 09:18:05 pm
Use Phoebus for a while. It's an excellent set.
Tried Phoebus... don't like the walls or the thin fonts. I'll look at a few of the others.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 15, 2012, 09:31:12 pm
Use Phoebus for a while. It's an excellent set.
Tried Phoebus... don't like the walls or the thin fonts. I'll look at a few of the others.
I already merged ironhand with 34.08. Check a few posts up
I have been playing a new fort with this set and there are a few strange things. Certains are using the wrong tile and I have no idea where to find them to correct it. The trees looks normal during the green seasons, but during winter, they use the wrong tile.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Tilesets
The tileset page on the wiki says the default for winter trees is Tile 199. I'm seeing tile 199 from the Ironhand tilset sheet in-game, but it isn't the same one Ironhand used before. Does anyone know which raw file I need to edit to fix it?
EDIT: Ah, I figured out the problem. I'm missing the [DEAD_TREE_TILE:255][DEAD_TREE_COLOR:7:8:0] from the .08 raws. I'll just go through manually and fix them, then double check anything else isn't left out then upload a new version.
EDIT2: Ok, this is fixed. Putting up a new version right now.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 15, 2012, 10:26:05 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Post by: Qenton on May 16, 2012, 10:29:38 am
New update is out. fixed all of the problems. Please report any other issues that you find. I will be playing too and fix whatever I can find myself.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Thanks. So far have found no issues. Was trying some merging myself but your's worked much better.
Post by: Anrock on May 16, 2012, 03:10:29 pm
New update is out. fixed all of the problems. Please report any other issues that you find. I will be playing too and fix whatever I can find myself.Can you post just upgrade package, without preinstalled df?
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Post by: ignatzami on May 16, 2012, 03:47:21 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 16, 2012, 03:51:06 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 16, 2012, 03:52:40 pm
It's not a bug, per-say, but I'm curious why most of the stone doors use a blat, grey colored, door tile, and then some use a different tile?
they did that in Ironhand's 0.68 for 34.07. I would have to go and find an earlier version to see whats different to fix that. It would involve a lot of text searching through raws.
Post by: ignatzami on May 16, 2012, 04:55:03 pm
It's not a bug, per-say, but I'm curious why most of the stone doors use a blat, grey colored, door tile, and then some use a different tile?
they did that in Ironhand's 0.68 for 34.07. I would have to go and find an earlier version to see whats different to fix that. It would involve a lot of text searching through raws.
It's not a big deal, since it irks me I might dig through the raws myself, and "fix" things to my liking. I'll post a modified version when I'm done. Depending on which people like more, you can keep my changes, or ignore them.
Post by: Fireborn on May 16, 2012, 05:25:38 pm
Kinda like how Metal doors have used the metal bars tile for two/three versions now...
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 16, 2012, 05:42:04 pm
We'll have Red Bauxite again!
Post by: ignatzami on May 16, 2012, 06:31:19 pm
I have found the problem with the door colors. It is a result of a lot of materials have bad color values. I dug up an ironhand release for 34.05, it's just before he changed the colors around and I am manually editing all of the color codes in the raws to the old values. It should fix a lot of stuff and all of the game's colors should go back to the way it looked in the older versions, which I prefered personally.
We'll have Red Bauxite again!
Awesome, thank you so much!
It's good to see that we might be able to crowd-source this graphics pack.
Is there a list of creatures that need sprites?
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 16, 2012, 07:24:19 pm
Ironhand with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 16, 2012, 10:17:18 pm
Post by: Valience on May 17, 2012, 09:55:46 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 17, 2012, 11:06:11 am
Ironhand 0.71 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.71 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Post by: dae666 on May 17, 2012, 11:27:56 am
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 17, 2012, 11:29:34 am
Post by: the_game_hunt on May 17, 2012, 11:49:43 am
Updated for 34.09You deserve a cookie sir!
Ironhand 0.71 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.71 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Post by: maluraq on May 17, 2012, 12:39:30 pm
Updated for 34.09
Ironhand 0.71 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.71 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Excellent. I just finished porting the 34.08 mod to 34.09 myself for testing too ... any chance you'd be willing to post a fresh thread and link it so we can grab updates directly from the first post as you edit it? That would be very handy.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 17, 2012, 01:02:55 pm
Post by: King Mir on May 17, 2012, 05:03:48 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 17, 2012, 06:59:20 pm
Post by: Artanis00 on May 17, 2012, 08:29:00 pm
If anybody sees any animals that don't have a graphic, and just shows as a letter, please post what kind of animal it is and I'll see if I can match it up to one of the tiles on the critter page.
I've got a rattlesnake with no graphic.
Post by: Meph on May 17, 2012, 08:42:49 pm
Post by: ignatzami on May 17, 2012, 09:01:01 pm
If anybody sees any animals that don't have a graphic, and just shows as a letter, please post what kind of animal it is and I'll see if I can match it up to one of the tiles on the critter page. I fixed the White stork already. I used the same graphic as the normal stork.
Skunk, and wombat both show up as letters.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 17, 2012, 10:32:59 pm
I already made sprites for 95% of all the vanilla critters and posted that in the animal graphics sharing thread. Both Masterwork DF and Legends of Forlorn Realms do use this version.
Wow thats awesome. I'm going to add some of them as I learn which ones are missing.
Post by: Meph on May 17, 2012, 10:39:16 pm
Here you go: Thread with the sprites (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=101137.msg3208828#msg3208828)
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 17, 2012, 11:13:43 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on May 18, 2012, 01:12:03 am
Edit: Gaint: Echidna/Coati(and babies)/Flying Squirrel/Great Horned Owl/
Post by: Domenique on May 18, 2012, 03:51:59 am
OK, I added 4 animals to ironhand's critters.png I pieced together the backgrounds he used and matched the transparency, it's like it came from the man himself. Skunk, porcupine, wombat and rattle snake are in for the next update.
All hail the usurper!
Post by: Artanis00 on May 18, 2012, 07:18:03 am
All hail the usurper!
Better not be anything more than a regency. :(
Post by: BigD145 on May 18, 2012, 10:36:08 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Meph on May 18, 2012, 12:12:24 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 18, 2012, 01:41:00 pm
Post by: Meph on May 18, 2012, 03:09:01 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 18, 2012, 03:29:53 pm
Post by: Meph on May 18, 2012, 03:33:32 pm
Since I do have the ironhand tileset in my mod, but ONLY the tileset, I might have to remodel some things to allow Ironhand sprites as well. Glad that you took it up to you to keep the set updated. :)
Post by: NW_Kohaku on May 18, 2012, 03:46:11 pm
As Meph said, though, this thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=101137.msg3208828#msg3208828) had several people working on sprites. I'm fairly sure most of them were already integrated into Ironhand, however.
If you can come up with a list of remaining sprites that need doing (or redoing), then I'm sure that people can start working on them... although I still have a few other graphic projects that I'm still wanting to put at a higher priority.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 18, 2012, 03:54:58 pm
Can you mix 16x16 and 18x18 tilesheets?
Post by: NW_Kohaku on May 18, 2012, 05:43:08 pm
I suppose what needs to be done is to go through the creature raws and check which animals are also present in the graphic raws. Then make a short list of the ones that don't show up twice.
Can you mix 16x16 and 18x18 tilesheets?
The way that Ironhand did it was to simply cut-and-paste the creatures that had no background onto his creature sheets that were 18x18.
I created my sprites to work for 16x16, but they touch the borders in that, so when put into Ironhand's that means that the creatures will all have at least a 1 pixel border.
Post by: Meph on May 18, 2012, 08:28:38 pm
If you have a list, give me a headsup please :)
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 18, 2012, 08:39:24 pm
You can open your raws with Brad Uffner Raw Explorer and it shows all creatures in a list with the fiiting sprite in front of the ID. Things without sprite = missing sprite. I have a list here, but I must say that I cant really tell what is Vanilla and what are modded creatures.
If you have a list, give me a headsup please :)
I wasn't aware of this program. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, it should make this whole process much easier.
Post by: vertinox on May 19, 2012, 12:48:31 am
Post by: orius on May 19, 2012, 04:00:50 am
As Meph said, though, this thread (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=101137.msg3208828#msg3208828) had several people working on sprites. I'm fairly sure most of them were already integrated into Ironhand, however.
I know he added your stuff. But I think he didn't addsome of the fish and marine creature that were in that thread.
Post by: Nerfer2 on May 19, 2012, 07:16:31 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 19, 2012, 08:24:11 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 20, 2012, 12:17:36 am
Post by: wyrdness on May 20, 2012, 06:15:21 am
Post by: Tierre on May 20, 2012, 06:48:27 am
Post by: Intrinsic on May 20, 2012, 11:53:57 am
You might check how Phoebius tileset managed rivers and tracks. If he allows you to use it - rivers actually look good and tracks even better. It's way better than with walls:)
Was just gonna say this myself, they look great.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 20, 2012, 05:49:59 pm
in-game:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/f99qo
embark map:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/1hcgx
Post by: Valience on May 20, 2012, 11:57:16 pm
Post by: BradUffner on May 21, 2012, 12:00:43 am
You can open your raws with Brad Uffner Raw Explorer and it shows all creatures in a list with the fiiting sprite in front of the ID. Things without sprite = missing sprite. I have a list here, but I must say that I cant really tell what is Vanilla and what are modded creatures.
If you have a list, give me a headsup please :)
I wasn't aware of this program. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, it should make this whole process much easier.
Glad I could help! A future version will allow you to directly assign graphics to the creatures without having to actually poke the graphic raws. It'll use a graphic picker similar to the one used for selecting a tile argument. If I feel really ambitious I may even add some basic graphic editing tools to it for tweaking pixels.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 21, 2012, 12:37:02 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 21, 2012, 12:39:13 am
Ok, so maybe I'm the odd man out here for liking the way it looked... but does anyone have the diamond designation png still? I can't seem to find a link to a set that still has it. It's possible I missed it buried in an obscure post somewhere, though.
the diagonal one is still there, but I haven't updated it. I'll do so for the next release. Its easy to do so, just need to copy and paste the changes to the other png file.
Post by: Qenton on May 21, 2012, 01:17:08 am
Heres a few wip shots of the new minecart tracks I made.
in-game:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/f99qo
embark map:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/1hcgx
I really like those minecart tracks. Laying down copper tracks would look pretty cool with this set. I don't look at the embark screen for very long and the new "river" tiles sort of makes the rivers look like they have rapids, which is not a bad thing.
You might want to change the horizontal axis since I think the movement tiles uses the river tiles. Also I think crutches use the river tiles as well.
Post by: BradUffner on May 21, 2012, 03:26:52 am
What would be real helpful would be a way to see what a tile looks like with various color combinations and how it looks inverted. I have to save my work from photoshop and loadup the game to check how stuff looks.
That's sounds useful enough. It'll be a while to get to anything like that in Raw Explorer, but I can probably whip up a quick little program for you that does just that.
Post by: Domenique on May 21, 2012, 07:39:21 am
Is Ironhand still updating?
He has a girlfriend now. He's lost to us. :'(
Post by: Saiko Kila on May 21, 2012, 08:27:45 am
Is Ironhand still updating?
He has a girlfriend now. He's lost to us. :'(
Be hopeful. Girlfriends aren't for life.
Post by: Tierre on May 21, 2012, 08:46:17 am
Post by: dieffenbachj on May 21, 2012, 09:31:30 am
Post by: Tierre on May 21, 2012, 09:38:37 am
Post by: Domenique on May 21, 2012, 10:44:14 am
The only solution is to get Ironhand's girlfriend into Dwarf Fortress--but not just that, also make it so that she uses Ironhand's Graphics Set, so that she DEMANDS he update it.
I tried that, and was laughed at because "I'm busy all the time playing "The Matrix"".
Post by: Hammerstar on May 21, 2012, 11:23:43 am
People still play that waste of money?The only solution is to get Ironhand's girlfriend into Dwarf Fortress--but not just that, also make it so that she uses Ironhand's Graphics Set, so that she DEMANDS he update it.
I tried that, and was laughed at because "I'm busy all the time playing "The Matrix"".
Post by: Domenique on May 21, 2012, 11:31:29 am
People still play that waste of money?The only solution is to get Ironhand's girlfriend into Dwarf Fortress--but not just that, also make it so that she uses Ironhand's Graphics Set, so that she DEMANDS he update it.
I tried that, and was laughed at because "I'm busy all the time playing "The Matrix"".
No, she just though that the ascii characters are like those green thingies from the screens on "The Matrix", and that I was essentially decoding them to understand what was happening.
Post by: maluraq on May 21, 2012, 11:33:21 am
Heres a few wip shots of the new minecart tracks I made.
in-game:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/f99qo
embark map:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/1hcgx
Very nice, I'd love to be playing with those right now ... just designated a double-width haulage track from layer 3 to layer 157 to bring my ore down for smelting and food supplies for the workers. The various pick-up locations would look much better with this set.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 21, 2012, 11:54:21 am
Ironhand 0.72 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.72 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Post by: Domenique on May 21, 2012, 11:55:29 am
Updated for 34.10
Ironhand 0.72 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.72 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Great! Thanks.
Post by: Wavecutter on May 21, 2012, 02:51:14 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 21, 2012, 02:59:47 pm
These letters are only used for text or animals, which can have their own graphics:
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A - also used as a tile in the farmer's workshop
B
C
E
F
G
H
J
K
L
M
N
P
Q
R
S
T
U
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Post by: Artanis00 on May 21, 2012, 03:11:52 pm
Is there any way at all to have more than 256 tiles on the tilesheet, or have multiple tilesheets? I wonder if I can replace some of the unused alphabet characters. A lot of them are only used for text according to the wiki, but shouldn't this be redundant if you have truetype turned on?
Last I checked, not all the text in the game has been replaced with truetype.
Post by: DavionFuxa on May 21, 2012, 04:37:45 pm
Heres a few wip shots of the new minecart tracks I made.QuoteFirst, thank you for updating the graphics. Comments then on your addition and changes.Quotein-game:http://www.freeimagehosting.net/f99qoMine Tracks looks great, no complaints about them. Good work on the change.Quoteembark map:http://www.freeimagehosting.net/1hcgxRoads and Rivers, not so much. For a brief look for finding your Embark site it might be bearable, but come time you decide to enter Adventure Mode it looks absolutely horrible. In the Travel mode, or the Zoomed in Mode when your in a Hamlet, the road tiles become overpowering and it really encourages you to start training your Ambushing skill whenever you come anywhere near a hamlet or town, because you really don't want to be in the travel screen all that long with it.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 21, 2012, 05:34:52 pm
Post by: ignatzami on May 21, 2012, 06:44:10 pm
Not sure if that's been reported yet.
Post by: DavionFuxa on May 21, 2012, 08:15:25 pm
-Because of the size of the track, it makes the tile look bright, and when you have half your screen as road in a hamlet, you get a massive amount of bright green. This is less of an issue in towns but still a bit of an issue.
-There can be a lot of rivers and roads in addition to the Hamlets, and this further increases the amount of tracks your going to be running around on the screen.
-The Tracks themselves can also be a jumbled mess in a Hamlet or Town, making it difficulty to understand which way to maneuver.
Besides reverting the track tiles to the old straight line that was like before or creating two different tilesets with one focused on Adventure Mode and the other on Dwarf Fortress I'm not sure there can be any suggestion for improving the tiles as is.
Post by: krenshala on May 21, 2012, 08:58:50 pm
Wild boar shows up as a "B"I just ran into some weasels, and they showed as "w". From checking the graphics files it looks like weasels, giant weasels and weasel men lack sprites at this point. I'm using 0.71 added to Phoebus (I like the Ironhand dwarves very much ;) ).
Not sure if that's been reported yet.
By the way, GS, you might check Phoebus's tracks if you haven't already. Not sure if they will integrate well with Ironhand, but they should give you some nice ideas on how thing can work.
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 21, 2012, 09:39:55 pm
Tweaked it a bit:
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/9md46
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/8p2ub
Post by: DavionFuxa on May 21, 2012, 11:17:07 pm
I'll note that I agree with Krenshala that you should check out how Phoebus implements its roads/rivers/tracks. It's simple but a well done design.
Post by: Tierre on May 22, 2012, 03:10:07 am
Post by: Wavecutter on May 22, 2012, 06:14:19 am
Post by: Babylon on May 22, 2012, 06:44:58 pm
Post by: ignatzami on May 22, 2012, 06:53:59 pm
So is Ironhand no longer being updated? I see "on hiatus" on the first post. It's always been my favorite graphics set.
It's being maintained, just not by Ironhand.
Post by: Babylon on May 22, 2012, 09:07:47 pm
So is Ironhand no longer being updated? I see "on hiatus" on the first post. It's always been my favorite graphics set.
It's being maintained, just not by Ironhand.
ok sweet.
*goes back to eagerly waiting for it to match up with .10*
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 22, 2012, 09:18:37 pm
Post by: Hammerstar on May 23, 2012, 03:16:16 pm
Oh, I see. The way you worded it and the quote, I read it as her saying she was playing the Matrix, and I immediately thought of that godawful MMO.People still play that waste of money?The only solution is to get Ironhand's girlfriend into Dwarf Fortress--but not just that, also make it so that she uses Ironhand's Graphics Set, so that she DEMANDS he update it.
I tried that, and was laughed at because "I'm busy all the time playing "The Matrix"".
No, she just though that the ascii characters are like those green thingies from the screens on "The Matrix", and that I was essentially decoding them to understand what was happening.
Post by: ZombieRacoon on May 25, 2012, 06:56:40 am
I *had* been using the lazy newb pack, and playing 34.07 with MayDay, graphics. Since then, I've restarted in 34.10, downloaded the very latest Ironhand update, copied the data nad raw folders into my DF folder, but do not have acccess to barrows or carts.
I can confirm that in the raws, in the tools text file, carts and barrows are the last two items in the file.
What else might I be missing?
Also, the Ironhand graphics pack is great. Being new to it, though, is it "right" that boars show up as B and weasels are w, amongst a few other things...? I mean, I'd be surprised if there were graphics for literally everything, but there seem to be some (possibly, depending on your definition) noteable exceptions.
NOT a whinge, just a question! :) I sure as hell couldn't do any better!
Post by: Rose on May 25, 2012, 07:27:40 am
Remove them and try again.
Post by: ZombieRacoon on May 25, 2012, 07:52:08 am
Are you suggesting something like remove from raws, start game, save and exit, add to raws, start game?
Or are you saying remove them, re-add them and then start a new game? That'd make me momentarily sad, but hey, DF's all about the starting voer after *some* kind of disaster! :) Who says the disaster ahs to be in-game, eh?
Post by: ignatzami on May 25, 2012, 09:56:45 am
Ok, I almost follow that. Remove the from the raws (check), then try *what* again? Adding them?
Are you suggesting something like remove from raws, start game, save and exit, add to raws, start game?
Or are you saying remove them, re-add them and then start a new game? That'd make me momentarily sad, but hey, DF's all about the starting voer after *some* kind of disaster! :) Who says the disaster ahs to be in-game, eh?
1) Go to your Dwarf Fortress directory. Copy the raws folder.
2) Go to your save game, copy over the raws folder there.
3) Profit!
Post by: scionreaver on May 25, 2012, 09:06:42 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 25, 2012, 09:56:39 pm
Post by: Rose on May 25, 2012, 10:07:19 pm
Ok, I almost follow that. Remove the from the raws (check), then try *what* again? Adding them?
Are you suggesting something like remove from raws, start game, save and exit, add to raws, start game?
Or are you saying remove them, re-add them and then start a new game? That'd make me momentarily sad, but hey, DF's all about the starting voer after *some* kind of disaster! :) Who says the disaster ahs to be in-game, eh?
remove them from your save raws.
Don't add them back.
Post by: Valience on May 26, 2012, 01:23:06 pm
Also there's issues with letters fading out randomly (as if there were invisible black bars blocking words at random).I too am having this, but I haven't really seen anything in my lazyman lurking to see what's causing it.
Post by: Clover Magic on May 26, 2012, 01:43:17 pm
Also there's issues with letters fading out randomly (as if there were invisible black bars blocking words at random).I too am having this, but I haven't really seen anything in my lazyman lurking to see what's causing it.
It's a problem with DF's TrueType implementation. Using TrueType causes that. There's no way for any graphics pack to fix it, it will have to be worked out on the development end. The best way to combat it is just to save and restart when it gets too bad, a freshly-opened copy of the game ought to be free of it for a little while. You could also turn TrueType off with F12 to fix it, but it'll mess up the tiles.
Post by: River on May 30, 2012, 03:45:38 pm
I'm using it on the current (v0.34.10) version, and all my military dwarfes (at least in the stock menu (z)) are displayed as a Stoneworker. The same thing happens when I download the current official release of Ironhand's with v0.34.07 included; nothing but Stoneworkers in the stock menu, again.
So, I guess this is a bug with the release? Is there anything I could do about it?
EDIT: Well, color me green, I'm getting the exact same problem when downloading a completely different Graphics Set, and generate a completely new world! Is DF just bugged like that in the current release, or do I have some file somewhere on my PC that's messing everything up?
EDIT2: Well, shame on me. It seems this issue is neither a new one (first reported back in 2010 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1604)), nor does it affect the actual military dwarfs units, only the status screen. Sorry!
Post by: scionreaver on May 30, 2012, 05:29:59 pm
So, turning off true type yields the obvious horrible giant blocky text in menus, fraught with repeated tiles for certain things (like the grate tile and number sign tile being the same).
I'm assuming you can't disable custom graphics on just the menu portions. As of now, this is basically unplayable for me (my only two choices are either large portions of my text are outright missing, or the menu is just way too blown up to read when not in truetype, leading to words being compressed to ridiculous, unreadable lengths).
I don't suppose there are any other workarounds aside from restarting the game a lot, because I'd much rather use this tileset than the default ASCII.
Post by: Seikatsukan on May 31, 2012, 01:43:01 am
This is not a "fix", since the problem is in the code, but you can make those black bars go away when they get too annoying, at least for a little while, by changing the zoom level. You can change it back to normal immediately, it still removes all the black bars. They'll come back after a while, but it's nothing game-breaking IMHO.
Post by: Intrinsic on May 31, 2012, 04:34:19 am
And the black bars that extend are because irregardless of the width of a letter in a true type font the game will still render it at full normal tile-mode width, and because "truetype" display shows many more letters the game is rendering a massive long string which is why the black bars appear.
Post by: ThatAussieGuy on May 31, 2012, 11:39:58 am
Post by: Intrinsic on May 31, 2012, 02:19:50 pm
Post by: Lac on June 02, 2012, 10:20:27 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on June 04, 2012, 07:00:45 pm
Ironhand 0.73 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.73 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Post by: vertinox on June 04, 2012, 08:13:37 pm
Updated for 34.11
Ironhand 0.73 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.73 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Thanks for the quick update! Quick question, to upgrade from older version do I just need to extract the upgrade into my DF folder?
Post by: GoldenShadow on June 04, 2012, 09:22:52 pm
Copy your save folder to 34.11 and then replace the raws in the save folder.
Post by: Igfig on June 05, 2012, 04:52:32 pm
Incidentally, I've been working on some graphics for the procedural creatures as well. When they're finished, would you be interested in seeing them? And are coloured sprites okay, or would you prefer I do everything in greyscale for ADD_COLOR?
Post by: GoldenShadow on June 05, 2012, 05:59:52 pm
Post by: Greendogo on July 30, 2012, 05:45:53 am
Post by: Intrinsic on July 30, 2012, 11:33:52 am
Is this being updated for compatibility by fans when a new version is released?
For 34.11? it already has been, search back a few pages. For the future? lets hope so!
Post by: Raven on August 03, 2012, 12:43:41 am
was addicted to the other one, but i guess i can try some new things :)
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 12, 2012, 08:58:16 pm
Post by: Moorindal on August 18, 2012, 09:32:51 am
Screenshot: http://www.freeimagehosting.net/2mxz1
Post by: Igfig on August 18, 2012, 06:08:39 pm
Post by: uristmcdorf on August 23, 2012, 03:44:27 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 27, 2012, 10:47:49 am
http://winmerge.org/
Post by: Igfig on August 28, 2012, 04:50:12 pm
Post by: Rose on August 28, 2012, 11:09:44 pm
Post by: swagcube on October 13, 2012, 07:03:34 am
Post by: Rose on October 13, 2012, 11:12:57 am
Post by: Half-assassin on November 17, 2012, 06:39:09 pm
Post by: Rose on November 17, 2012, 10:57:22 pm
Post by: Veetor on November 20, 2012, 11:11:17 pm
Updated for 34.11
Ironhand 0.73 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.73 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Thank you! I've been out of the game for a while, what happened to Ironhand?
Post by: Lysabild on November 20, 2012, 11:17:50 pm
Updated for 34.11
Ironhand 0.73 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.73 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Thank you! I've been out of the game for a while, what happened to Ironhand?
He's just busy with real life and doesn't play the game currently, hence why it says Hiatus instead of 'dead' or whatever.
Post by: Ticky on November 23, 2012, 02:37:18 pm
EDIT: I dragged the raw init and art folders into the original. only those. Which folders should I be grabbing for Mac?
Post by: danaris on November 23, 2012, 05:31:53 pm
Is it possible to run this on Mac? Sorry if someone said this somewhere already...
All tilesets work on all platforms that DF works on.
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EDIT: I dragged the raw init and art folders into the original. only those. Which folders should I be grabbing for Mac?
IIRC, you need to replace the raw folder (the one in the DF folder and the ones in any saved games you want to apply the tileset to), and copy the art files into the art folder, then make the changes to the init files to tell DF to use the Ironhand graphics.
(My preferred method of doing this is a graphical diff tool like the one built into TextWrangler (http://www.barebones.com/products/textwrangler/), or the FileMerge tool that comes with the Mac dev tools.)
Post by: carkaton on December 08, 2012, 01:47:25 pm
I just wanted to check if I have ironhand's or whoever's permission to continue to use the art now that my game is somewhat in the public realm.
Post by: the_game_hunt on December 09, 2012, 08:50:09 am
Hello, I have been using this graphics set as adapted to a roguelike-like project. I don't intend to advertise or release the game with your artwork, but I've recently moved created a github repository with the resources as part of the repo. Again, I'm not advertising that this game exists, but the source is now out there.Well I guess you can (not entirely sure) you should send a PM to Ironhand, but he has been offline for 1 week.
I just wanted to check if I have ironhand's or whoever's permission to continue to use the art now that my game is somewhat in the public realm.
Post by: beefy on January 02, 2013, 10:48:16 am
Got a new laptop which has a max. resolution of 1366x768... the dwarfs look kind of smashed... Is the resolution supported?
Post by: Rose on January 02, 2013, 10:59:42 am
Post by: beefy on January 02, 2013, 12:49:18 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 17, 2013, 12:41:01 pm
Also hi everybody.
Post by: BigD145 on January 17, 2013, 01:22:04 pm
Post by: Ironhand on January 17, 2013, 06:28:52 pm
You know what would totally get me back into spriting?
Full graphics support.
Post by: the_game_hunt on January 17, 2013, 09:16:22 pm
It's not that I don't like you. It's just that I like this other girl better. :DHopefully Toady will add graphics support. Someday....... :'(
You know what would totally get me back into spriting?
Full graphics support.
EDIT: Hi Ironhand! Hope you are doing well.
Post by: GoldenShadow on January 18, 2013, 11:51:30 pm
Post by: Hippoman on January 19, 2013, 10:55:56 am
Post by: Ironhand on January 19, 2013, 03:17:19 pm
Still don't expect any new art... but I'm listening in.
Post by: vdpk7 on January 21, 2013, 09:29:36 am
Or any older version will do aswell with this soil and rock tiles.
Thanks
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Intrinsic on January 25, 2013, 02:45:53 am
It's not that I don't like you. It's just that I like this other girl better. :D
You know what would totally get me back into spriting?
Full graphics support.
Full graphics support is sorely needed. And just wait until you see(or have you already? and your thoughts?) the new multi-tile trees and whole forests with branches etc for the next version, that is going to murder tilesets i would imagine.
Post by: CLA on January 25, 2013, 11:16:22 am
Full graphics support is sorely needed.A man can dream.
Quote from: Intrinsic
multi-tile trees and whole forests with branches etc for the next version, that is going to murder tilesets i would imagine.Honestly, I don't think it will be that bad. It will just use the wall tiles, which in most tilesets are already used as both walls and roads on the map. It's not that different from trunks and branches.
And all the tree tiles are freed up, so you can use them as leaf tiles. And on the map, having leafs represent forests is still acceptable, I think.
Post by: tunio6538 on February 19, 2013, 10:08:26 am
its simple sketch:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: GoldenShadow on February 21, 2013, 09:36:44 am
Post by: tunio6538 on February 25, 2013, 03:08:31 am
Post by: Tierre on February 25, 2013, 06:02:41 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on February 25, 2013, 11:57:22 am
Post by: Rinick on February 26, 2013, 12:46:02 am
Honestly, I don't think it will be that bad. It will just use the wall tiles, which in most tilesets are already used as both walls and roads on the map. It's not that different from trunks and branches.
And all the tree tiles are freed up, so you can use them as leaf tiles. And on the map, having leafs represent forests is still acceptable, I think.
The wall tiles in Ironhand tiles are not suitable for trunks, at least we need to make them round corner.
Post by: seristal on February 27, 2013, 01:29:19 pm
Post by: MightyDorf on March 02, 2013, 06:49:06 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 02, 2013, 09:41:12 am
Post by: danaris on March 02, 2013, 10:01:58 am
Very nice tilesets here. But the engravings look rather strange, I engraved a pillar and then have a "dead dwarf" sprite (or a diamond) instead of that : http://i56.tinypic.com/6elxeo.png . Is it normal ?
That sounds like you have Obscure Engravings turned off in your init files.
You can tell DF to obscure engravings in a particular area with one of the designate commands, but I forget which one it is.
Post by: jez9999 on April 27, 2013, 05:06:49 am
Post by: LordBaal on May 07, 2013, 07:52:03 pm
Post by: Meph on May 07, 2013, 07:54:50 pm
Post by: Argenteus on June 11, 2013, 12:06:00 pm
Post by: danaris on June 11, 2013, 12:38:58 pm
How do I install this for Linux? Is it possible, or is it Windows only?
All tilesets are cross-platform. You need only copy the files into the appropriate folder in your DF folder, then change your init files to look for them in the right place.
Post by: Covelite on June 20, 2013, 12:30:04 am
Post by: CLA on June 20, 2013, 05:05:21 am
Is there a key, for what all the tiles mean? I have just started my first game and I have no idea what any of the symbols mean.press [?]. There's a list somewhere. I think it's dynamic and adapts to whatever the tileset is using.
In either case, it's normal for people that just start out using DF to use [k] a lot to look around and see what is what.
Post by: Arucard on June 29, 2013, 07:18:28 am
Post by: maluraq on August 22, 2013, 01:57:28 pm
It's not that I don't like you. It's just that I like this other girl better. :D
You know what would totally get me back into spriting?
Full graphics support.
Thanks again for the tileset ... still loving it. After fifteen years of marriage, I can tell you you'll feel like playing again some day lol
Post by: MiniMacker on September 06, 2013, 04:15:07 am
Post by: Marrik on December 19, 2013, 10:38:53 pm
i just cant get used to letters representing terrain
Post by: Deon on December 21, 2013, 10:13:22 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 24, 2013, 12:28:43 am
Updated for 34.11
Ironhand 0.73 with game
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6307
Ironhand 0.73 upgrade
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6320
Post by: GM-X on March 24, 2014, 07:43:39 pm
Sure, go ahead!
Just give me (and Wormslayer) credit for it.
I started game development on Dwarf-based game and I would like your permission to use the Ironhand tileset. Of course I will credit both you and Wormslayer. The game is not ready for show and tell, but I do plan to sell the game - best case scenario.
Post by: PeridexisErrant on June 12, 2014, 07:23:16 pm
You may be interested in the new Text will be Text plugin (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=138754), which allows you to set up a separate tileset for text to the rest of the tiles. As of version 2.01 (2014-06-04), it also allows you to add an arbitrary number of additional tilesets, tiles from which can be set to override specific items or building tiles. This functionally implements eternal suggestion #4 for full graphics support.
I'm going to include this in the Starter Pack, and it would be great to have a 'pure text' version of your tileset that can be dropped in. Most of the letters are already clear, but there's a few things like the quality symbols and any changed letters, numbers, and punctuation which are hopefully easy to include in a pure text tileset, and would make things a lot easier to read in cases where truetype doesn't work or has been disabled.
Any further stuff like overrides would be awesome, but given the rate of updates (including recently a demo of allowing different tile width for the menu) you might not want to invest too much time just yet - but don't let anyone stop you if it look fun! It's also probably a good way to deal with the whole walls-as-leaves thing that's going to come up in the new version, though that's still not so bad as the cursor/stairs/bins/'x' mixture.
Please don't feel any pressure - I just thought it worth sharing with the people who have done the work to make pretty graphics happen already :D
Post by: Porpoisepower on June 13, 2014, 12:17:22 pm
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Post by: Panando on July 08, 2014, 06:47:15 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 08, 2014, 10:41:28 am
Post by: Walkaboutout on July 08, 2014, 11:39:15 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747 40.01
MUCH appreciation for you, Golden!
Post by: TheDorf on July 08, 2014, 11:42:01 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747 40.01
Thank you! Seeing as I'm not used to playing without a graphics pack, this is greatly appreciated. Now those of us who demand awesome graphics can enjoy the new version too. :D
Post by: Walkaboutout on July 08, 2014, 02:00:12 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 08, 2014, 02:12:31 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 08, 2014, 10:48:30 pm
For example:
[MINER:DWARVES:5:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
That 5 is pointing to the number 5 tile on the dwarf sheet,(its number 6, but the first one is 0) which is the miner graphic. Its using the same tilesheet and graphic raw from the previous version. No idea why its misbehaving.
Or you can think of them as Minors instead of Miners
Post by: Panando on July 08, 2014, 10:58:25 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747 40.01
:D
Post by: Walkaboutout on July 09, 2014, 08:52:34 am
I just saw the dev blog. He mentions something about babies appearing where they shouldn't be. I wonder if this is related to the children miners. The graphic are exactly the same as the previous version
For example:
[MINER:DWARVES:5:0:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
That 5 is pointing to the number 5 tile on the dwarf sheet,(its number 6, but the first one is 0) which is the miner graphic. Its using the same tilesheet and graphic raw from the previous version. No idea why its misbehaving.
Or you can think of them as Minors instead of Miners
I was starting to wonder the same thing, Golden. I peeked into the raws too, thinking that a typo had just grabbed the wrong icon coordinate, but I can confirm from my game too that you're exactly right. The coordinates are correct in the raws, and yet all the miners are just taking the child thing instead. I wonder if instead of it being cosmetic, some snippet of code is causing an issue with the "Miner" profession. Who knows, but I'm sure it will get sorted in good time.
In the meantime, Minors it is!
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 10, 2014, 09:23:03 pm
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747
Minor issue persists.
Post by: palu on July 10, 2014, 11:38:05 pm
Post by: Intrinsic on July 11, 2014, 01:48:38 am
That's okay. It's only a 8) miner issue.
You've got to be kidding me, that was a ban pun.
Post by: hoyohoyo9 on July 11, 2014, 09:43:32 am
Updated to 0.40.02
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747
Minor issue persists.
I made an account to tell you how awesome you are.
Post by: Harmonica on July 13, 2014, 12:24:23 pm
This is still my favourite tileset after all these years, I remember when Ironhand first discovered the tilemagic and starting pumping out great tiles.
For that reason, in fact, I'm noticing some oddities with some tiles in DF2014, but I don't know if it's the new version or things that have changed in the few years since I last played. For one, I remember a neat thing about Ironhand's set (and I'm sure many other sets) was that plants like Stawberries showed their coloured berries. Well, at first with this I had crates in place of most plants, but even after changing the growth tile I'm getting just solid red plants (maybe I used the wrong tile? - I used 252).
I also remembered the colours being a lot different (less pure), but I don't know if that was Ironhand's doing in the past or simply myself having changed the colours. Either way, here is a naturalistic/pastel colour variant that suits the tiles:
colors.txt
Code: [Select]
These are the display colors in RGB. The game is actually displaying extended ASCII characters in OpenGL, so you can modify the colors.
[BLACK_R:0]
[BLACK_G:0]
[BLACK_B:0]
[BLUE_R:54]
[BLUE_G:54]
[BLUE_B:171]
[GREEN_R:61]
[GREEN_G:165]
[GREEN_B:61]
[CYAN_R:58]
[CYAN_G:175]
[CYAN_B:195]
[RED_R:171]
[RED_G:42]
[RED_B:42]
[MAGENTA_R:171]
[MAGENTA_G:54]
[MAGENTA_B:171]
[BROWN_R:121]
[BROWN_G:92]
[BROWN_B:56]
[LGRAY_R:192]
[LGRAY_G:192]
[LGRAY_B:192]
[DGRAY_R:128]
[DGRAY_G:128]
[DGRAY_B:128]
[LBLUE_R:98]
[LBLUE_G:138]
[LBLUE_B:234]
[LGREEN_R:112]
[LGREEN_G:222]
[LGREEN_B:112]
[LCYAN_R:0]
[LCYAN_G:255]
[LCYAN_B:255]
[LRED_R:243]
[LRED_G:113]
[LRED_B:75]
[LMAGENTA_R:230]
[LMAGENTA_G:145]
[LMAGENTA_B:230]
[YELLOW_R:230]
[YELLOW_G:230]
[YELLOW_B:0]
[WHITE_R:255]
[WHITE_G:255]
[WHITE_B:255]I also went through and edited all the plants/crops to be tiles better representing those plants, rather than (mostly) the same tile. Those files here:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8941
Finally,
(http://i.imgur.com/Iokm4a2.png)
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 13, 2014, 09:12:14 pm
Post by: Hippoman on July 13, 2014, 10:01:46 pm
I think the tweaks are fine to include. Also, .03 is out now.
Post by: dennislp3 on July 13, 2014, 11:54:48 pm
Post by: Harmonica on July 14, 2014, 01:19:14 am
edit: figured out that a lot (all?) of the plants that grow outside need shrub_tile etc info in the raws so they don't pick a stupid default icon (they were using the tools icon).
Updated my raws edits for that after changing the plants I've spotted so far, will go through the rest later:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8941
If you want to make changes yourself, open up the plant raws and add
Code: [Select]
[SHRUB_TILE:xxx]
[DEAD_SHRUB_TILE:xxx]
[SHRUB_COLOR:x:x:x]
[DEAD_SHRUB_COLOR:5:6:0]where x is appropriate values.
Apparently overriding the tile with the growth string is not enough and they will use shrub tiles when grown or dying/dead (?).
Adjusted tiles for trees (no more flying tree fish!):
(http://i.imgur.com/lSUMM9Q.gif)
it's late autumn, some snow-covered trees growing out of an iced over pond
goes in d_init.txt
Code: [Select]
Tiles for the parts of trees.
[TREE_ROOT_SLOPING:127]
[TREE_TRUNK_SLOPING:127]
[TREE_ROOT_SLOPING_DEAD:127]
[TREE_TRUNK_SLOPING_DEAD:127]
[TREE_ROOTS:29]
[TREE_ROOTS_DEAD:29]
[TREE_BRANCHES:29]
[TREE_BRANCHES_DEAD:29]
[TREE_SMOOTH_BRANCHES:'#']
[TREE_SMOOTH_BRANCHES_DEAD:'#']
[TREE_TRUNK_PILLAR:36]
[TREE_TRUNK_PILLAR_DEAD:15]
[TREE_CAP_PILLAR:36]
[TREE_CAP_PILLAR_DEAD:15]
[TREE_TRUNK_N:205]
[TREE_TRUNK_S:205]
[TREE_TRUNK_N_DEAD:205]
[TREE_TRUNK_S_DEAD:205]
[TREE_TRUNK_EW:205]
[TREE_TRUNK_EW_DEAD:205]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_N:205]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_S:205]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_N_DEAD:205]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_S_DEAD:205]
[TREE_TRUNK_E:186]
[TREE_TRUNK_W:186]
[TREE_TRUNK_E_DEAD:186]
[TREE_TRUNK_W_DEAD:186]
[TREE_TRUNK_NS:186]
[TREE_TRUNK_NS_DEAD:186]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_E:186]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_W:186]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_E_DEAD:186]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_W_DEAD:186]
[TREE_TRUNK_NW:201]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_NW:201]
[TREE_TRUNK_NW_DEAD:201]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_NW_DEAD:201]
[TREE_TRUNK_NE:187]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_NE:187]
[TREE_TRUNK_NE_DEAD:187]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_NE_DEAD:187]
[TREE_TRUNK_SW:200]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_SW:200]
[TREE_TRUNK_SW_DEAD:200]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_SW_DEAD:200]
[TREE_TRUNK_SE:188]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_SE:188]
[TREE_TRUNK_SE_DEAD:188]
[TREE_CAP_WALL_SE_DEAD:188]
[TREE_TRUNK_NSE:204]
[TREE_TRUNK_NSE_DEAD:204]
[TREE_TRUNK_NSW:185]
[TREE_TRUNK_NSW_DEAD:185]
[TREE_TRUNK_NEW:202]
[TREE_TRUNK_NEW_DEAD:202]
[TREE_TRUNK_SEW:203]
[TREE_TRUNK_SEW_DEAD:203]
[TREE_TRUNK_NSEW:206]
[TREE_TRUNK_NSEW_DEAD:206]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_N:207]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_N_DEAD:207]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_S:209]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_S_DEAD:209]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_E:199]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_E_DEAD:199]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_W:182]
[TREE_TRUNK_BRANCH_W_DEAD:182]
[TREE_BRANCH_NS:179]
[TREE_BRANCH_NS_DEAD:179]
[TREE_BRANCH_EW:196]
[TREE_BRANCH_EW_DEAD:196]
[TREE_BRANCH_NW:217]
[TREE_BRANCH_NW_DEAD:217]
[TREE_BRANCH_NE:192]
[TREE_BRANCH_NE_DEAD:192]
[TREE_BRANCH_SW:191]
[TREE_BRANCH_SW_DEAD:191]
[TREE_BRANCH_SE:218]
[TREE_BRANCH_SE_DEAD:218]
[TREE_BRANCH_NSE:195]
[TREE_BRANCH_NSE_DEAD:195]
[TREE_BRANCH_NSW:180]
[TREE_BRANCH_NSW_DEAD:180]
[TREE_BRANCH_NEW:193]
[TREE_BRANCH_NEW_DEAD:193]
[TREE_BRANCH_SEW:194]
[TREE_BRANCH_SEW_DEAD:194]
[TREE_BRANCH_NSEW:197]
[TREE_BRANCH_NSEW_DEAD:197]
[TREE_TWIGS:18]
[TREE_TWIGS_DEAD:29]
[TREE_CAP_RAMP:30]
[TREE_CAP_RAMP_DEAD:30]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR1:249]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR2:249]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR1_DEAD:249]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR2_DEAD:249]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR3:249]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR4:249]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR3_DEAD:249]
[TREE_CAP_FLOOR4_DEAD:249]
[TREE_TRUNK_INTERIOR:15]
[TREE_TRUNK_INTERIOR_DEAD:15]Man, my dwarf edit is still in there for all those smeltydudes. Awesome.
DF's not the same without the smeltydudes ;)
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 14, 2014, 09:13:07 am
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747
I figured out why Miners shows the children tile and fixed it. It was the graphics_example.txt setting Miners to tile 1:0. I forgot to delete it when I ported to 2014
Post by: Harmonica on July 14, 2014, 09:31:37 am
I figured out why Miners shows the children tile and fixed it. It was the graphics_example.txt setting Miners to tile 1:0. I forgot to delete it when I ported to 2014
Ah that would be it. I didn't have that problem, but I think I must have not been using the absolute latest creature sheets either, not sure how that happened :)
Post by: Skasi on July 15, 2014, 05:30:12 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 15, 2014, 06:31:58 am
Post by: PeridexisErrant on July 15, 2014, 06:48:41 am
Post by: Harmonica on July 19, 2014, 03:54:25 am
The line is [DEAD_SAPLING_COLOR:x:x:x], can go under [SAPLING] tag (or wherever).
I've edited the raws to add it to the new trees, so the dead saplings are now brown (unfortunately I don't think there's a way to have a green tile with brown sapling, without making the tile basically untextured).
You can also use [SAPLING_COLOR:x:x:x], for growing saplings.
I've also edited Ironhand's sapling tile to allow for two-tone saplings (the stalk takes the secondary colour). Anyone who wants these mods can get them from my mod listing (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8941).
with my adjusted colour scheme (http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Color_scheme#Naturalistic_Color_Scheme) it looks like this (those are almond saplings with red stalk - good for carrots as well!):
(http://i.imgur.com/2hNGcbg.png)
Post by: Gunnarr on July 19, 2014, 07:02:54 am
If I use the latest tilesets created on this thread here inthese later posts will it work?
Or do I need to find an old version of Ironhand? IF so, can you help me find it? Thank you so much
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 19, 2014, 07:17:20 am
Its been updated to work with the newest version of Dwarf Fortress. I ported Ironhand's graphics to the new version. I'm not really developing it, just keeping it current.
Anyone can do this themselves if they want. I use a program called WinMerge (google it) You can compare entire file directories and *.txt files with the same name. I go through line by line and it highlights difference between the text files. Some of the differences are because of the new version of DF with updated raws. Some of them are because of the graphics pack. Its not too hard to determine what pertains to graphics. Its usually lines about "tile", "color", etc..
An easy way to quickly see how Ironhand did it was to get a copy of Ironhand 0.68 for 34.07. Then get a copy of Dwarf Fortress 34.07 and compare the two folders with WinMerge.
Lots of new features have been added, such as minecarts, minecart tracks, wheelbarrows, multi Z-level trees, (maybe more?).. since the last official Ironhand release of 34.07. If you plan on porting yourself, you will have to figure out what to do about those things.
Post by: Gunnarr on July 19, 2014, 07:32:25 am
ok, first, i cannot find Dwarf Fortress on my computer, using a search of "dwarf" in my C drive, I can only find a shortcut. I do not know where the actual files of the games are anymore.
There is also a DwarfFortress.exe as a prefetch in C:\WINDOWS\Prefetch
Don't know what a prefetch is. IT is a PF file
Anyway, while waiting on a reply here I found this version of Ironhand for the version of Dwarf Fortress I have
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Graphics_set_repository#Ironhand_and_Wormslayer.27s_Graphics_Pack
--
Again, now I do not know how to find dwarf fortress or even my save files since my C drive does not seem to have them anywhere. Only a shortcut! Can anyone help with finding the files
I am playing this game for my nephew, playing adventure mode so I hope to be able to add these tilesets to my game while I finish this adventure with him, i already have a save game
Post by: Gunnarr on July 19, 2014, 07:50:25 am
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/v0.31:Graphics_set_repository#Ironhand_and_Wormslayer.27s_Graphics_Pack
these (GRAPHIC SETS?) in there?
Post by: Harmonica on July 19, 2014, 08:46:05 am
edit: okay Gunnarr you're in luck, I have I think reconstituted the version of Ironhand's files that he released for 31.25! :) The only version I could find was in fact contained inside an April Fools release he did that made everything into llamas but don't worry, I found a separate 31.25 version of his graphics that are not in fact llamas, and I believe he didn't go to the lengths of changing anything else! Probably!
edit2: I also added in his dwarves from later versions as I believe they will display fine (if it was you that downloaded it before I edited this, please redownload!).
Here is the file. (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9066)
1. Backup your existing Dwarf Fortress install folder.
2. Extract everything in this zip directly into that folder (you should be asked if you want to overwrite files, if you do not get this message then you didn't extract it directly over the top).
3. Now, in order for your save game to show these new graphics, you will need to copy the raw folder in this zip on top of the raw folder inside your save game folder. This folder will be in data\save\region#\raw - where region# is the correct folder for your save game, it tells you this on the 'Continue Playing' screen (you can however simply copy the raw in the zip into every existing region if you don't know which one it is).
Enjoy, and I hope it works :)
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 20, 2014, 02:40:07 pm
Post by: Exovian on July 21, 2014, 06:38:53 am
Post by: Panando on July 22, 2014, 04:43:29 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 22, 2014, 07:22:24 pm
GoldenShadow - the upgrade pack still results in minor miners and baby managers, include an empty graphics_example.txt in order to clobber the existing one.
Done.
Post by: Hippoman on July 23, 2014, 08:02:00 pm
I was wondering if you still had the link for .03 version that I could downgrade to.
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 23, 2014, 09:59:14 pm
Post by: Hippoman on July 23, 2014, 10:52:56 pm
I had a fort I started in .03, then carried over to .04. Figured out it would be completely impossible to keep playing on that so I asked for your help.
Downloaded .03 SDL (not small), downloaded from that link you gave me. Extracted files from .03, extracted and replaced files from your download upgrade link.
Dropped in my entire save folder of two saves, one which I never played on .04.
Edited init.txt and d_init.txt to my liking. Changing Economy off, FPS to uncapped, Windowed off, Intro off, Sound to 200, Mouse off.
When I start it up, region2, the one I never played on .04 is the only one that shows up. Playing it ends up with 100+ fps. However this is not the fortress I wanted.
Am I doomed to be unable to play my region1 save on .03 now?
Post by: oakmage on July 26, 2014, 09:11:19 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 27, 2014, 07:09:41 pm
Post by: PhantomXD on July 27, 2014, 07:22:59 pm
Post by: PeridexisErrant on July 27, 2014, 07:29:07 pm
Updated (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747).
This is just the game, not the graphics that updated?
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 27, 2014, 08:03:36 pm
Post by: PeridexisErrant on July 27, 2014, 08:19:08 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 27, 2014, 08:21:51 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 03, 2014, 04:01:30 pm
Post by: JonathanCR on August 04, 2014, 06:13:54 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 10, 2014, 03:27:11 pm
Post by: leungclj on August 10, 2014, 10:16:42 pm
Updated (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747) to 0.40.07
thank you!!
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 11, 2014, 05:55:02 pm
The full version with game has the new .EXE
No raw changes.
The upgrade pack 0.40.07 has identical raws and will work with 0.40.08
Post by: leungclj on August 12, 2014, 08:54:53 pm
Updated (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747) to 0.40.08
The full version with game has the new .EXE
No raw changes.
The upgrade pack 0.40.07 has identical raws and will work with 0.40.08
thank you once again
Post by: Wastedlabor on August 13, 2014, 02:16:57 am
Post by: Avi on August 14, 2014, 09:02:17 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 17, 2014, 03:18:42 pm
Post by: arkhometha on August 21, 2014, 07:54:36 pm
Post by: thraxarious on August 24, 2014, 03:33:27 pm
I usually have to adjust the character size to get it to reset back and redraw letters and text to see, since black space covers the words in menus sometimes.
Post by: RadHazard on August 24, 2014, 05:39:01 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 24, 2014, 05:44:51 pm
Post by: Xerberus on August 24, 2014, 06:16:06 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on August 24, 2014, 06:24:24 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on September 05, 2014, 08:18:57 am
Sorry for the delay, I was working all day and was dead tired. Got it done this morning though!
Post by: GM-X on September 05, 2014, 07:41:53 pm
Updated (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747) to 0.40.11
Sorry for the delay, I was working all day and was dead tired. Got it done this morning though!
I'm giving you a credit in my mod for your rapid updates. They have been extremely helpful.
Post by: GoldenShadow on September 11, 2014, 03:47:56 pm
Post by: JonathanCR on September 12, 2014, 02:10:47 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on September 17, 2014, 05:49:07 pm
Post by: Walkaboutout on September 18, 2014, 08:43:43 am
Updated (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747) to 0.40.13Thanks a ton Gold. You really do rock.
Post by: Veetor on September 29, 2014, 10:22:35 am
Updated (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747) to 0.40.13
Thank you! :)
Post by: GoldenShadow on October 25, 2014, 10:57:02 pm
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Post by: GoldenShadow on November 12, 2014, 05:07:03 pm
Post by: CEHA on November 12, 2014, 06:07:27 pm
View Full Details Ironhand upgrade package for 0.40.16
Download Now
Just the graphics and raws
File version: 40.16A
For DF version: 0.40.16
Size: 11.21 MB
Post by: GoldenShadow on November 12, 2014, 06:13:14 pm
Post by: StagnantSoul on November 12, 2014, 07:03:56 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on November 12, 2014, 08:30:37 pm
Post by: StagnantSoul on November 12, 2014, 08:45:29 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on November 15, 2014, 08:38:57 am
Post by: JonathanCR on November 16, 2014, 10:45:39 am
I've never seen an angel in the game, so I'm not sure what they're meant to look like, but the plump helmets look suspiciously angel-like to me now:
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg237/plotinus_/Plump_Helmets.png)
Post by: GoldenShadow on November 16, 2014, 06:55:25 pm
Post by: JonathanCR on November 17, 2014, 06:22:46 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on November 17, 2014, 07:04:07 am
Post by: JonathanCR on November 17, 2014, 11:31:27 am
Post by: Rose on November 21, 2014, 11:38:05 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: GoldenShadow on November 21, 2014, 08:52:06 pm
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Post by: GoldenShadow on December 19, 2014, 08:36:54 pm
Post by: Walkaboutout on December 21, 2014, 12:28:35 am
Updated (http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8747) to 0.40.21 So soon...
You sir, are a steely eyed missile-man.
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 22, 2014, 11:32:17 am
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Post by: GoldenShadow on January 08, 2015, 05:57:32 pm
There is no install, its just a folder with the game files and you run the exe.
Post by: thraxarious on January 12, 2015, 05:24:23 pm
Post by: htabdoolb on January 24, 2015, 04:35:30 am
Post by: recluser on February 08, 2015, 01:32:22 am
Ironhand is the face of Dwarf Fortress to me, so thank you very much for keeping this updated.^This
Post by: gchristopher on February 10, 2015, 12:44:49 am
My merge of Ironhand is not very well tested, so any help there would be great. Here's the DFDD link: Modest Mod v.0.40.24-1 for Ironhand Graphics (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=10568)
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 03, 2015, 10:35:35 am
Post by: Hippoman on December 03, 2015, 12:20:35 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 03, 2015, 12:26:13 pm
Post by: dennislp3 on December 03, 2015, 03:40:15 pm
Thanks for the update btw!
Post by: Killgoth on December 03, 2015, 11:03:13 pm
Its not a big deal. I just run the last Ironhand against the new version. Comparing folders and files for differences with WinMerge (http://winmerge.org/?lang=en). I look for which differences are related to graphics and merge them into the new version
It may not be a big deal to you, but it means I can have two hours of joy during two weeks worth of final exams/projects. Thank you good sir!
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 03, 2015, 11:05:51 pm
So I am guessing we can't expect any new art for the new professions?
Thanks for the update btw!
I'm happy to maintain updates, but I'm not good at pixel art. If someone wants to contribute, please do!
Post by: BigD145 on December 03, 2015, 11:10:54 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 06, 2015, 09:10:46 am
Post by: PeridexisErrant on December 06, 2015, 09:43:07 am
Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) to 0.42.02
What did this update involve?
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 06, 2015, 10:21:28 am
Code: [Select]
[PERFORMER:DWARVES:3:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[POET:DWARVES:3:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BARD:DWARVES:5:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[DANCER:DWARVES:6:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SAGE:DWARVES:11:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SCHOLAR:DWARVES:8:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[PHILOSOPHER:DWARVES:9:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[MATHEMATICIAN:DWARVES:3:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[HISTORIAN:DWARVES:3:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[ASTRONOMER:DWARVES:5:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[NATURALIST:DWARVES:6:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[CHEMIST:DWARVES:0:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[GEOGRAPHER:DWARVES:8:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[SCRIBE:DWARVES:9:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[PAPERMAKER:DWARVES:3:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[BOOKBINDER:DWARVES:8:5:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
[TAVERN_KEEPER:DWARVES:2:6:AS_IS:DEFAULT]
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 12, 2015, 09:30:51 pm
Post by: Killgoth on December 13, 2015, 11:31:33 am
Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) to 0.42.03
Thank you!
Post by: Kuikka on December 13, 2015, 11:58:35 am
Post by: Wastedlabor on December 13, 2015, 01:04:16 pm
Post by: Walkaboutout on December 29, 2015, 09:44:37 am
Thank you in advance for all the work you do in maintaining this, Golden!
Post by: GoldenShadow on January 02, 2016, 10:40:54 am
If you encounter any issues, I need to be told on this thread about them so I can look into solving them.
Post by: thraxarious on January 02, 2016, 11:17:36 pm
Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) to 0.42.04
If you encounter any issues, I need to be told on this thread about them so I can look into solving on them.
Awesome!
Post by: Kirkegaard on January 03, 2016, 10:40:24 am
Post by: gchristopher on January 03, 2016, 09:56:02 pm
Post by: Immortal-D on January 04, 2016, 09:02:47 am
Post by: newsamsam on January 14, 2016, 10:29:48 am
I don't know if I break any license though.If I'm not,please consider using it.
so here i's a 30x15 png showing the progress:
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af286/newsamsam/newsamsam_1.png)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: GoldenShadow on January 17, 2016, 05:21:35 pm
Post by: Walkaboutout on January 17, 2016, 06:05:20 pm
so currently I'm modding the creature tiles,hopefully can "reconstruct" some tiles for those new professions,animal peoples and missing tiles.
I don't know if I break any license though.If I'm not,please consider using it.
so here i's a 30x15 png showing the progress:
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af286/newsamsam/newsamsam.png)Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I really like these! They seem to fit cleanly with the tileset as it exists and look great. I for one would have no objection to seeing their inclusions that's for sure!
Also damn, Golden you're fast. Thank you again, as always!!
Post by: ShadowTani on January 18, 2016, 07:34:44 pm
And yes, thanks for all your work Golden! =D
Post by: gchristopher on January 19, 2016, 07:34:39 pm
[Awesome tiles]Wow! Thank you!
Post by: newsamsam on January 20, 2016, 11:29:00 am
img still posts in old thread.
Post by: GoldenShadow on February 11, 2016, 08:35:15 pm
Post by: Phyroks on February 14, 2016, 03:38:28 am
Post by: Saiko Kila on March 16, 2016, 04:47:44 am
Code: [Select]
[REACTION_CLASS:CALCIUM_CARBONATE] tag, which disallows its use as ingredient for quicklime. Fortunately it is also possible to fix it in an existing save.
Post by: Veetor on March 24, 2016, 10:23:18 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on March 26, 2016, 07:48:57 am
I've found a bug in inorganic_stone_mineral.txt in raws. The entry for calcite is missingCode: [Select][REACTION_CLASS:CALCIUM_CARBONATE]tag, which disallows its use as ingredient for quicklime. Fortunately it is also possible to fix it in an existing save.
Fixed (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348).
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 10, 2016, 07:46:12 am
Post by: Hippoman on May 10, 2016, 03:26:22 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 12, 2016, 08:32:09 am
Post by: jecowa on May 21, 2016, 10:42:54 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 22, 2016, 07:32:17 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 22, 2016, 05:49:30 pm
Post by: newsamsam on June 15, 2016, 12:54:30 am
But,I manage to complete it.here it is.
(http://i1016.photobucket.com/albums/af286/newsamsam/humies%20and%20anmppl.png)
It has everyone that got a animalman form in the original critters.png
If I miss any of them,please reminds me.
Since it's moded from the original tiles,I don't consider this as my creation.I'm doing this only for pixel practice,and hopefully can serve the community a bit.
Post by: Hippoman on June 15, 2016, 02:38:54 pm
Post by: PeridexisErrant on June 15, 2016, 08:53:14 pm
Sorry I disappeared for quite a while.I decided to post the img after I finish it,but life was getting busy and the progress was halted several weeks.
But,I manage to complete it.here it is.
<snip>
It has everyone that got a animalman form in the original critters.png
If I miss any of them,please reminds me.
Since it's moded from the original tiles,I don't consider this as my creation.I'm doing this only for pixel practice,and hopefully can serve the community a bit.
Awesome!
Would you like to join the DFgraphics group, where we can ensure this makes it back to the mainline packs?
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155882
https://github.com/DFgraphics/DFgraphics
Post by: newsamsam on June 15, 2016, 09:55:51 pm
Awesome!
Would you like to join the DFgraphics group, where we can ensure this makes it back to the mainline packs?
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=155882
https://github.com/DFgraphics/DFgraphics
:)I think it should be decided by the author,or goldenshadow.Since he is the maintainer of this tilesets.
Post by: PeridexisErrant on June 16, 2016, 08:42:33 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on June 20, 2016, 06:30:14 pm
I'm just maintaining for new versions. I am not doing new art, I'll leave that up to others.
Post by: newsamsam on June 20, 2016, 09:08:26 pm
Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) to 0.43.04
I'm just maintaining for new versions. I am not doing new art, I'll leave that up to others.
:( I have no idea how to add it into the games.
Post by: jecowa on June 21, 2016, 12:10:20 am
:( I have no idea how to add it into the games.
I have an idea of how to do it. I'll make the text files if you can help me identify the tiles in your tilesheet.
I think I have most of the animal people identified, but I need help with the feline men. Also I'm not too sure about a monkey man.
Spoiler: "Animal People Column 1" (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: "Animal People Column 2" (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: "Animal People Column 3" (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: "Animal People Column 4" (click to show/hide)
I'm not entirely sure I've identified the weapons correctly here.
Spoiler: "Military Elves" (click to show/hide)
I need lots of help with professions. I've labeled them all with letters to aid in identification.
Example:
A = Bard
B = Poet
C = Dancer
etc.
Spoiler: "Professions" (click to show/hide)
Post by: newsamsam on June 21, 2016, 03:07:10 am
snip
Great!Let's help each other!
Humie first.
A.Bard
B.Poet
C.Performer
D.Mathematician
E.Astronomer
F.Chemist
G.Geographer
H.Scribe
I.Goblin Bard/performer
J.Tavern keeper
K.Dancer
L.Sage
M.Scholar
N.Philosopher
O.Historian
P.Naturalist
Q.Papermaker
R.Bookbinder
S.Human bard/performer
T.Elf Prisoner/Slave
U.Elf Farmer/Herbalist
V.Elf Crafters(wood/stones etc.)
W.Elf Bowyer/Ranger
X.Elf Animal caretaker
Y.Elf Priest
Z.Elf Bard/performer
Military Elves
Axe elf
Mace elf
Hammer elf
Pike elf
Animalman
Column 2.
The one under Mandrill man is Rhesus macaque man.
And there is no animal-man form for all other apes in the critters png,other than these two.
Column 3.
Lion Man
Leopard Man
Jaguar Man
Cheetah Man
Cougar Man
*Cave swallow man have the original tiles in the critters.png,I thought there is a "normal swallow man" so I made it.But turns out there is no "normal swallow man" at all.It could be saved for later use,or pick another birdy man?
Post by: jecowa on June 21, 2016, 08:49:14 am
It turns out that there's no such thing as a "cave spider man", so that tile is used for jumping spider men and brown recluse men instead.
Your rattlesnake man tile is also being used for kingsnake man and copperhead snake man, since they needed tiles.
There's no such thing as an "ice wolf man" or a "crocodile cave man", so those two tiles are't being used for anything at the moment.
Your elf with the green wide-brim hat is being used for elves with these jobs:
Spoiler: "Farmer tile" (click to show/hide)
Your elf with the green blue robe is being used for elves with these jobs:
Spoiler: "Craftsman tile" (click to show/hide)
Your ranger elf is being used for elves with these jobs:
Spoiler: "Ranger Elf" (click to show/hide)
Your animal caretaker elf is being used for elves with these jobs:
Spoiler: "Animal Caretaker tile" (click to show/hide)
Your priest elf is being used for elves with these jobs:
Spoiler: "Priest tile" (click to show/hide)
Download link for: newsamsam's graphics for Ironhand (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12174)
Post by: newsamsam on June 21, 2016, 10:23:43 pm
But it turns out the game just load every txt in the raw?
Post by: jecowa on June 21, 2016, 10:57:18 pm
Post by: ORCACommander on June 21, 2016, 10:59:35 pm
Post by: jecowa on June 23, 2016, 10:56:56 pm
Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) to 0.43.04
I'm just maintaining for new versions. I am not doing new art, I'll leave that up to others.
It sounds like newsamsam is willing to contribute that tilesheet, if you want to add it to your distribution. You can use any of those text files I made too if you like, and feel free to modify them too.
Post by: jecowa on June 26, 2016, 04:33:54 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on June 28, 2016, 08:00:20 am
GoldenShadow, you're doing a good job keeping this up-to-date and picking good tiles for creatures in the raws. Assuming Ironhand is okay with it, are you okay with your updated versions of Ironhand's graphics pack being included in Lazy Newb Packs?
I have no problem with that. Updating to the new version only takes me like 10 minutes since doing it so many times. Its barely any effort from me.
I compare file changes between vanilla DF new and previous versions.
Then I get the previous Ironhand pack, and a copy all of the raws files that haven't been updated and do a text merge on files that have been updated. I use WinMerge for this. I haven't been playing DF recently, I just keep it updated to the newest version because if I miss an update, the differences start to pile up, making the process more tedious.
Anyone, feel free to put your new creature tiles in and just I will add them to my maintained version if you want me to.
Post by: jecowa on June 28, 2016, 03:33:31 pm
While comparing your version to the GitHub version, I noticed that someone tried to fix a problem with lizard color when the new repiles were added, but it wasn't done quite correctly. I changed the tiles of all the lizards to match how Ironhand set them up.
Also, it looked like Ironhand intended some insects and birds to share a tile, but there were some new birds added since he stopped maintaining it, so I switched the new birds to use the same bird/insect tile instead of the snail tile.
I also changed some of the new fish to use the fish tile instead of the shank of meat tile.
You can get these versions of those /raw/objects/ files here from the links below if you want to use them. The GitHub version is still on 0.43.03, but these four particular files are compatible with both 0.43.03 and 0.43.04.
creature_birds_new.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_birds.txt)
creature_bug_slug_new.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_bug_slug_new.txt)
creature_large_ocean.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_large_ocean.txt)
creature_reptiles.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_reptiles.txt)
Post by: GoldenShadow on June 30, 2016, 10:28:10 am
Thank you. I saw your version had some fish tiles changed to the Ironhand fish tile where the GitHub version was using the shank of meat, so I thought you had made some improvements there, but I guess someone had just messed up the GitHub version.
While comparing your version to the GitHub version, I noticed that someone tried to fix a problem with lizard color when the new repiles were added, but it wasn't done quite correctly. I changed the tiles of all the lizards to match how Ironhand set them up.
Also, it looked like Ironhand intended some insects and birds to share a tile, but there were some new birds added since he stopped maintaining it, so I switched the new birds to use the same bird/insect tile instead of the snail tile.
I also changed some of the new fish to use the fish tile instead of the shank of meat tile.
You can get these versions of those /raw/objects/ files here from the links below if you want to use them. The GitHub version is still on 0.43.03, but these four particular files are compatible with both 0.43.03 and 0.43.04.
creature_birds_new.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_birds_new.txt)
creature_bug_slug_new.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_bug_slug_new.txt)
creature_large_ocean.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_large_ocean.txt)
creature_reptiles.txt (https://github.com/DFgraphics/Ironhand/blob/master/raw/objects/creature_reptiles.txt)
I was merging your new changes into my release and was confused because I didn't see any differences birds. I guess you made a typo and used the link for creature_birds.txt when you meant creature_birds_new.txt
EDIT: Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) with the new changes.
Post by: newsamsam on July 03, 2016, 04:08:46 am
EDIT: Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) with the new changes.
Why do you not add my contribution?
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 03, 2016, 12:54:22 pm
Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11348) with the new changes.
If I got something wrong, let me know.
Post by: newsamsam on July 03, 2016, 10:41:22 pm
I tried to make a new png with transparent background.but in-game the tile background turns black.
How can I solve this problem?
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 04, 2016, 07:34:48 am
Post by: jecowa on July 04, 2016, 10:56:33 am
Spoiler: "newsamsam creature graphics with Ironhand transparency:" (click to show/hide)
Post by: newsamsam on July 04, 2016, 09:24:56 pm
Try this version of the png file. It uses the same background as Ironhand's creatures.
You are fast jecowa! :D
I manage to figure it out too,it's the floor(or road) tile with some "glow" effect.
Here it is.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: GoldenShadow on July 05, 2016, 08:12:20 pm
Post by: jecowa on July 09, 2016, 08:51:14 pm
I manage to figure it out too,it's the floor(or road) tile with some "glow" effect.
I didn't think to look in the main tilesheet for the background. It looks like it uses the tile to the left of the hyphen for the background – the tile where the comma would normally go.
Post by: LordBaal on July 13, 2016, 09:54:26 am
Post by: jecowa on July 13, 2016, 01:17:21 pm
Post by: LordBaal on July 13, 2016, 01:22:03 pm
Post by: jecowa on July 13, 2016, 04:35:31 pm
Post by: Spectre9000 on September 09, 2016, 07:36:22 am
Post by: jecowa on September 09, 2016, 09:08:00 am
(http://i.imgur.com/yaLMyMD.png)
Post by: jecowa on October 05, 2016, 03:31:29 am
Before:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
After:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It still needs some work.
Post by: PeridexisErrant on October 05, 2016, 08:57:40 am
Post by: Hippoman on October 05, 2016, 11:35:04 am
Post by: setzer52 on October 06, 2016, 06:43:10 pm
I'd also love to use Ironhand, but all I've ever done is download the community-maintained full package, and the only one of those available I can find is 0.43.05. How would I go about getting Ironhand put onto 0.43.03? I'm willing to manually patch (hopefully I can figure it out), but I'm not sure if there will be problems if I mismatch the version of DF and the version of Ironhand.
What do I need to know here?
Post by: PeridexisErrant on October 06, 2016, 07:07:24 pm
Post by: setzer52 on October 07, 2016, 07:09:30 am
The 43.05 release of Ironhand graphics works with DF 43.03, but the easiest way by far is to download a package with everything preinstalled.
I had been having trouble finding a preinstalled 43.03. Then PeridexisErrant swooped in. He is the best. <3
Post by: jecowa on October 07, 2016, 01:35:03 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/4Pzy8gK.png) (http://i.imgur.com/tSbkKvR.png)
Spoiler: main window (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: TwbT text tilesheet (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hippoman on October 08, 2016, 10:23:47 pm
Post by: Jebus on September 01, 2017, 07:32:00 am
I'm playing with the latest LNP with Ironhand graphics and I wonder if Varied Ground tiles are possible. I didn't get them to work with ironhand.
Post by: Walkaboutout on November 24, 2017, 11:38:49 am
Post by: Hylum on November 24, 2017, 04:46:38 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on November 24, 2017, 08:57:26 pm
Post by: gchristopher on November 25, 2017, 06:06:16 pm
Post by: Hylum on November 28, 2017, 12:56:32 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 04, 2017, 07:04:29 pm
Post by: Walkaboutout on December 05, 2017, 12:20:08 am
Post by: jecowa on December 07, 2017, 05:19:06 am
Spoiler: Ironhand with 3 tiles marked (click to show/hide)
Post by: Hippoman on December 07, 2017, 11:47:31 am
As far as I can tell, the tiles marked below are unused. One of these might be a good spot for a Pedestal tile.(tiles 10, 21, and 255)Spoiler: Ironhand with 3 tiles marked (click to show/hide)
I'm no expert on how the tileset system works, but I have seen those tiles everywhere in game. Although I haven't played in quite some time, so perhaps things have changed?
Post by: Ultimuh on December 07, 2017, 12:29:52 pm
No need to make an entirely new one.
Post by: GoldenShadow on December 08, 2017, 01:03:39 pm
Post by: jecowa on December 09, 2017, 12:58:47 pm
It turns out 21 is being used for restraints. (I overlooked it in the Wiki.) Also tile 10 is used for some rocks. (It was declared with the "SYMBOL" tag, and I had only been searching for tags containing "tile" and "print" before then.) Tile 255 might still possibly be available for future use, though.
Post by: oakmage on December 09, 2017, 03:26:55 pm
Updated (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13283)
You're the man GoldenShadow!
Post by: jecowa on January 02, 2018, 04:24:39 am
(https://i.imgur.com/zBdgddF.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/CxCSeyD.png)
Mifki just solved "unit transparency" a couple of days ago. This allows you to see the tile behind the dwarves and other creatures.
Also featured in the screenshot is "multi-layer rendering" that was implemented a few months ago. This allows you to see the floor behind the chairs, tables, statue, bed, doors, levers, and rocks. It also is allowing the bed sheets to be a more vibrant blue and the pillows to be white. And also lets the levers have color-coding that isn't affected by the color of the lever material.
Post by: Hippoman on January 02, 2018, 10:17:19 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on January 06, 2018, 11:02:30 am
Post by: GoldenShadow on February 07, 2018, 02:55:23 pm
Post by: gchristopher on March 24, 2018, 03:54:54 pm
Post by: Hippoman on March 25, 2018, 11:22:26 am
Post by: Saiko Kila on March 27, 2018, 04:19:40 am
Post by: Northstar1989 on April 15, 2018, 11:30:37 pm
Post by: jecowa on April 17, 2018, 12:51:57 pm
Post by: GoldenShadow on May 06, 2018, 07:26:16 pm
Sorry for being absent on the updates between 44.05 and 44.10.
Post by: Hippoman on May 07, 2018, 05:35:12 pm
Post by: DizzyCrash on June 16, 2018, 05:14:54 pm
Post by: Shonai_Dweller on June 16, 2018, 07:07:06 pm
There there a version of this with TWBT?That really depends on what you want to use TWBT for. Any tileset can be used for your text font if all you want to do is use multiple tilesheets. Ironhand doesn't have to 'come with' anything to take advantage of the basic TWBT functionality.
Post by: GoldenShadow on June 24, 2018, 08:42:36 pm
EDIT 3-14-2019
I just saw the news that Dwarf Fortress is coming to Steam with official graphics. I'm probably going to retire from maintaining Ironhand graphics from then on.
Post by: Walkaboutout on July 04, 2019, 11:05:44 am
Post by: Meph on July 04, 2019, 02:58:23 pm
Post by: Hippoman on July 07, 2019, 08:14:06 am
Post by: Walkaboutout on January 29, 2020, 12:35:50 pm
So, we're not yet to the graphical/Steam release, buy is anyone, Goldenshadow or otherwise, working on this release at all? Just curious. This remains, by far, my favorite tileset. To all who have worked on it, and maintained it, I just can't offer enough thanks.
Post by: jecowa on January 29, 2020, 11:50:46 pm
Spoiler: (Tilesheet for reference): (click to show/hide)
I'm thinking maybe the box thing for the altar and the asterisk for the dice.
Spoiler: Proposed tiles: (click to show/hide)
It looks like the box thing is currently use as the food icon when you aren't using TWBT. And I can't tell that the asterisk is used for anything at first glance.
Some input from people who are more familiar with the game and this tileset would be helpful. These can always be changed later, though.
Post by: CLA on January 30, 2020, 05:18:33 am
I'll update it. Any thoughts on what icons to use for the new Altar and Dice?Spoiler: (Tilesheet for reference): (click to show/hide)
I'm thinking maybe the box thing for the altar and the asterisk for the dice.Spoiler: Proposed tiles: (click to show/hide)
It looks like the box thing is currently use as the food icon when you aren't using TWBT. And I can't tell that the asterisk is used for anything at first glance.
Some input from people who are more familiar with the game and this tileset would be helpful. These can always be changed later, though.
I think the table is a very good candidate to use as is for the altar. I honestly would expect Toady to just use that. As for the dice, no idea. It would be nice to have some dice dots on the symbol for easy identification, but all the vaguely square/quadratic symbols (box, grate, cage) already have so much uses - normal and inverted - that it's hard to do unobtrusively.
Tile #254 also looks kinda square, maybe we could hide a few dice dots in there. I'm not sure what the tile is used for in Mayday.
Post by: Walkaboutout on January 30, 2020, 11:07:45 am
I'll go with either one without real complaint, that's for sure :)
Post by: jecowa on January 31, 2020, 12:31:13 am
Post by: Walkaboutout on January 31, 2020, 01:02:15 am
Post by: Shadesmar on January 31, 2020, 03:41:11 am
Post by: jecowa on January 31, 2020, 04:53:46 am
(https://i.imgur.com/shx0b4i.png)
Post by: Walkaboutout on February 14, 2020, 10:58:55 pm
I used Jecowa's suggestions as to the dice and altar tiles. Jec, thank you for that, and if you want to update this tileset, please do, I just was experimenting and thought I might as well put it up here for those interested, since my experiment seemed to work out alright for my own game.
Updated for 47.02: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14804
Post by: Walkaboutout on February 16, 2020, 11:54:52 pm
If there happens to be anything wrong or off, please let me know.
Post by: Shadesmar on February 20, 2020, 06:23:18 am
Updated to 47.03: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14804
If there happens to be anything wrong or off, please let me know.
what is this? its not ironhand graphics as i was used to o.O
microcline and orthoclase walls are now fruit boxes, claystone walls are indistinguishable from floor and the best of ironhand graphics, the unit graphics of dwarves, are now only ugly shadow silhouette? i appreciate ur effort, but this is definitely not the ironhand graphics i played for years or does come even close. Habituation and artistic pleasantness aside: this tileset is objectivly worse, because the visual difference between wall and floor is kinda important...
gems are now spider-webs >.< cmon
Post by: jecowa on February 20, 2020, 09:35:26 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Shadesmar on February 20, 2020, 10:48:41 am
i didnt know that the tileset is part of every save file.
Post by: Walkaboutout on March 01, 2020, 12:18:51 pm
As always, if there happens to be anything wrong or off, please let me know.
Post by: JEB Davis on March 01, 2020, 08:06:56 pm
What is involved in making a nice graphic for it, rather than the hideous default "X"?
I really like this Ironhand tileset.
Post by: CLA on March 02, 2020, 03:18:06 pm
Post by: JEB Davis on March 02, 2020, 03:28:15 pm
The problem is that unless you use dfhack/TWBT, the up/down staircase, the letter 'X', Bins, and the cursor all must share the same graphic -- it's hardcoded. So, the ugly X is a compromise.Thanks for the explanation, I appreciate it.
Post by: Walkaboutout on March 03, 2020, 10:06:46 pm
Creatures, dwarves, etc are little more flexible. They are determined in the raw files (basically editable text files) and can be changed around, so theoretically those are mostly infinitely expandable. You just need the art, and you can technically make a unique icon for each creature.
There is hope though. While I do not pretend to understand whats coming with the graphical update that Toady is working on next, it does sound like tileset artists will have a much more powerful system by which to design custom graphics for individual items of various types in the game. I'm no artist, I've simply updated what work Ironhand has left us with new versions. But perhaps when the graphic update is out, someone better at all of this than me will be able to extend this awesome tileset :D
Post by: Walkaboutout on February 10, 2021, 11:39:08 pm
As always, if there happens to be anything wrong or off, please let me know.
Post by: Durithill on February 23, 2021, 08:36:48 pm
Post by: Hippoman on February 24, 2021, 07:59:55 pm
Post by: Urist_McUrist on December 31, 2021, 02:14:52 am
Post by: Urist_McUrist on December 31, 2021, 03:07:26 am
Urist is compulsive these days, too long in the caverns he spent.
Post by: Walkaboutout on February 17, 2022, 01:31:31 am
Lookit me, crawled from the caverns, necrod a thread, double posting. I think i found my way to just the graphics pack files and updated by hand. I thiiiink i did it right. I havent used a computer for years now, and i dont even have a mouse. But i got the newest version of DF working, and it looks like i got the ol ironhand files copied in by hand also. God what a pain keyboard navigation is.
Urist is compulsive these days, too long in the caverns he spent.
Heya Urist, welcome back to the sunlight. It will definitely make you sick, but eventually you'll get past that. Sorry I'm so late in reply to this post!
So, I have indeed been updating and posting the 64 bit version of Dwarf Fortress, yes. I do believe that, offered for download off the main Bay 12 page, is still the 32 bit flavor of the game available in the latest Dwarf Fortress version, as well. I could certainly apply the Ironhand stuff to it, and host a copy on DFFD if neccessary, for the convenience of folks still needing to use 32 bit, instead of 64 bit.
It sounds like you got it all sorted, but I would be willing to help with what limited abilities I possess, be it yourself or someone else saying that'd they'd like to be able to grab a 32 bit version. Probably not neccessary, but it wouldn't be a big deal, in the end.