Post by: Micro102 on February 15, 2017, 05:06:32 pm
I have to rescue this guy's daughter and have tracked her down to this hideout. In the hideout there is a vertical drop with a chain above it that granted slowfall. I realized what i had to do so i go open the gate that was blocking the hole and go to activate the chain again. It makes a magic noise but does not cast the magic on me. I now have no way to get down. I reloaded my save and it still doesn't work. I waited a couple of days to see if it recharges, it doesn't. I try dropping down, it's just constant death.
Am I missing something, or am I just unable to complete the quest now? Is there a way to cheat in temporary invincibility or flight?
Post by: Gunner-Chan on February 15, 2017, 05:17:21 pm
... Or you might not even need to go that way. That's another possibility.
Post by: Micro102 on February 15, 2017, 05:22:16 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on February 15, 2017, 05:24:00 pm
How small is the tunnel downward? You might be able to jump or fall on to the opposite wall and activate climbing mode, although I've only ever managed to climb upward in Daggerfall.
Post by: Akura on February 15, 2017, 06:05:28 pm
Spoiler: You'll need to know this for later, but (click to show/hide)
although I've only ever managed to climb upward in Daggerfall.If you jump while running forward, you should jump forward. Might be skill-dependent, but I don't know for sure.
Post by: Micro102 on February 15, 2017, 06:15:07 pm
All exterior doors lead to the same point inside the dungeon, there aren't really multiple entrances in Daggerfall.
How small is the tunnel downward? You might be able to jump or fall on to the opposite wall and activate climbing mode, although I've only ever managed to climb upward in Daggerfall.
The tunnel is long and climbing does not save you. I tried.
Spoiler: You'll need to know this for later, but (click to show/hide)although I've only ever managed to climb upward in Daggerfall.If you jump while running forward, you should jump forward. Might be skill-dependent, but I don't know for sure.
You need to get some sleep :P
Post by: Gunner-Chan on February 15, 2017, 07:15:42 pm
If anything this just proves you should save often, and in multiple slots. Though if it wont fail the quest you could always just exit and re-enter the dungeon. But you'll really likely not have a way up if it's seriously the way you described it. (Odds are even if it looks like there's no alternate path there's a secret door that leads to the bottom. ... Eventually.)
Post by: Akura on February 15, 2017, 07:29:03 pm
Post by: Tawa on February 15, 2017, 08:25:16 pm
Post by: Micro102 on February 15, 2017, 08:45:02 pm
If you don't have anything against cheating and have updated your game to the most recent patch, you can just use the [ and ] keys to teleport between the quest target spawn locations and the exit.I don't have any problem using cheating to get past bugs, but the buttons don't work. I do have the latest patch.
Post by: Mech#4 on February 15, 2017, 09:12:41 pm
(Looking on the UESP, levitate magic items are called "Venom Spitting" unless you have installed Daggerfall with a third party patch.)
(http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Magical_Items)
I think you may have to activate the debug teleport cheats in a config file in the Daggerfall directory.
Post by: Micro102 on February 15, 2017, 11:19:39 pm
I would get levitate but I have limited time and my character only has 22 magic points. I can't cast even the starter spells.
What are the consequences of failing a mission? Because I'm pretty much done trying.
Post by: ollobrains on February 15, 2017, 11:43:24 pm
Post by: George_Chickens on February 15, 2017, 11:45:38 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on February 15, 2017, 11:54:53 pm
What are the consequences of failing a mission? Because I'm pretty much done trying.
Lost reputation with the questgiver's faction, I think the entire region if the questgiver is a rando and not somebody from a Guild or other faction.
You'd have to ask somebody that got further in Daggerfall to tell you what lost reputation means. :P UESP says you only lose 2 rep for a failed quest, you start at 0 with most factions and it goes down to -100, so it's probably fine to fail a quest here and there as long as it's not a main story thing.
Post by: Mech#4 on February 16, 2017, 12:15:10 am
On the Daggerfall dungeons, there's a program called "Daggerfall Modelling" that allows you to view any of the dungeons in the game. You can see how they were randomly put together and how janky they are in places since there's a lot of completely unconnected corridors and rooms. It's interesting because the dungeons are actually a bit smaller than you'd think but the game includes these unconnected sections within the size indicator on the in game map.
Post by: Robsoie on February 16, 2017, 07:03:52 am
Put an anchor at the dungeon entrance, and your next recall will send you there.
Failing a random quest can be a problem with the quest giver indeed and it can happen that he/she will refuse to talk to you anymore at some point, so you'll have to find another quest giver.
Now more important is failing one of the non-optional (and non random) main quests (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Main_Quest_Walkthrough), you can effectively break your game progression as such quests don't come back, assuming you want to complete the main quest line to reach one of the endings of course.
The THAW utility found there
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Files#Game_Utilities
Should allow you to restart a failed non optional main quest.
Never used it, as i usually always had a saved game (save the game at any opportunity before taking a quest is a very good idea in Daggerfall, not only because of possible failure, but because of crashes and other bugs)
Post by: Micro102 on February 16, 2017, 12:47:15 pm
Post by: Robsoie on February 16, 2017, 02:10:35 pm
Try to reconfigure your keys in the options in case something somehow went bad.
I use mouse view like in classic fps systems , as setup in the mouse section of the options :
http://i.imgur.com/FOFVaOQ.jpg
And here are my keys (though you probably want to use other ones, just showing you because i have no problem ingame with them in case it can help you to find the source of your annoyance)
http://i.imgur.com/0aFqN0I.jpg
I doubt it has any importance in the problem, but i have always used the view distance trick in my Daggerfall games to see much further in the game by a simple hex edit of the saved game :
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:SAVEGAME.DAT_description#Increasing_View_Distance
Post by: Mech#4 on February 16, 2017, 08:41:42 pm
The water movement may also be linked to the cycles but it could also be your character having low swimming skill. Using a spell or item that gives water walking will make moving through water much faster.
Post by: itisnotlogical on February 16, 2017, 08:48:29 pm
Post by: Robsoie on February 16, 2017, 09:07:00 pm
I remember that problem. I believe the strafing issue is tied to the number of cycles Daggerfall is running by in Dosbox. Try increasing and decreasing the cycles using Ctrl+F12 (increase) and Ctrl+F11 (decrease).That's something i didn't thought about but it makes sense, i remember when i had to configure the cycles, Daggerfall seemed to require high value in order to run smoothly, much higher than nearly every other games i had running through dosbox.
The water movement may also be linked to the cycles but it could also be your character having low swimming skill. Using a spell or item that gives water walking will make moving through water much faster.
35000 seemed to be a very good value for me, probably depends on everyone's cpu
In case, on my working game here are some of the settings from my Daggerfall conf file that i think should help :
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Note : as i'm playing windowed , i have to press CTRL+F10 in order for dosbox to "capture" my mouse, apparently only very few games seems to require the ctrl+f10 for the mouse to be "captured" in windowed mode (usually it's automatically done), daggerfall is one of them for me.
Post by: Micro102 on February 17, 2017, 05:46:15 pm
Post by: Robsoie on February 17, 2017, 11:59:56 pm
Additionally you can try to ask there :
http://forums.uesp.net/viewforum.php?f=2
If there are some people left that have some knowledge about what's going on with your character moves problem, i think they may be found on that board.
edit : didn't heard about it before, but wow the Daggerfall port to the Unity engine is really impressive :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANNVZfJqk48
http://www.dfworkshop.net/projects/daggerfall-unity/live-builds/
Post by: Micro102 on February 18, 2017, 01:17:49 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 12, 2018, 05:25:57 am
As it has been a long time i wanted to give a look into how the Daggerfall Unity project was coming along as development is still ongoing with the latest build being from July.
And it looks like the main quest is completely implemented and so playable to the end , assuming you don't run into a crash.
https://www.dfworkshop.net/
Still amazing to see this large view distance , it really makes the game more impressive.
Post by: Mech#4 on August 14, 2018, 05:24:52 am
It'll be interesting to see what mechanics and things they work on that were only partially implemented into Daggerfall. There's so much stuff that didn't get finished or not done at all.
Speaking of which, I was listening to the soundtrack of Daggerfall a few weeks ago and apparently there's at least an hour of unused music in the game. Mostly dungeon and music that supposedly was used during sneaking. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqUCz7E1s90)
Post by: Robsoie on August 14, 2018, 06:00:31 am
https://web.archive.org/web/20141225202024/http://www.svatopluk.com/daggerfall/museum/
The very large view distance of that Daggerfall Unity program also show that the world actually looked like something with mountains, valleys , forest etc... instead of the boring nothing without any interesting sights that it was in the original release due to the low view distance.
I had no idea there was a mountain right at some distance of the exit from the starting dungeon by example, was surprised to see it
I even walked between some towns, just to see what the regions looked like, something i would never do when i played the actual game as there was nothing to see with such short view distance, it was all about the fast travel function .
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 07:55:06 am
https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-alpha-release/
The game is completely playable from beginning to one of the ends
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So what does the alpha milestone mean? For Daggerfall Unity, this means we are now at broad feature parity with classic Daggerfall. Not only is the game playable from start to end, but all the core gameplay systems from classic are implemented and available. Hitting alpha means that development will shift from adding new gameplay features to refinement and fixing bugs. There are also a few features unique to Daggerfall Unity that I’ve been saving for the alpha cycle. Check out the roadmap (https://www.dfworkshop.net/projects/daggerfall-unity/roadmap/) to see what’s coming up next.
I noticed this video from a couple of days presenting a few of the mods available for Daggerfall Unity, rather interesting :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoDVN-r_sA
(note : the "enhanced sky" mod sadly does not work right if you have enabled the retro rendering mod 320*200 or 640*400 for performance/more classic look reasons)
Post by: Dark One on August 05, 2019, 09:03:01 am
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 09:41:09 am
I forgot how horribly hard those spiders could be on low levels characters, on the temple of dibella i joined in the far away region of Menevia (i decided to just ignore the Daggerfall main quest chain for this character run), after a couple of easy fetch quest "collect that painting from a friend in a tavern and bring it back" i got a quest to rescue someone lost in a dungeon.
So many save/reload due to those spiders when your character fail their paralyze resistance to their spells, but finally found that guy and took him back to the temple.
I hope some people will be able to complete their companion/mercenaries projects, it would be very interesting (and such a refreshing novelty in Daggerfall) to be able to bring more people with you on your adventures, especially with mods like Warm Ashes (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1087)
Post by: MCreeper on August 05, 2019, 09:55:01 am
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 05, 2019, 10:26:26 am
That video pushed me to play it again with those mods.
I forgot how horribly hard those spiders could be on low levels characters, on the temple of dibella i joined in the far away region of Menevia (i decided to just ignore the Daggerfall main quest chain for this character run), after a couple of easy fetch quest "collect that painting from a friend in a tavern and bring it back" i got a quest to rescue someone lost in a dungeon.
So many save/reload due to those spiders when your character fail their paralyze resistance to their spells, but finally found that guy and took him back to the temple.
I hope some people will be able to complete their companion/mercenaries projects, it would be very interesting (and such a refreshing novelty in Daggerfall) to be able to bring more people with you on your adventures, especially with mods like Warm Ashes (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1087)
I picked Immunity to Paralysis during character creation and it has made life so much easier. I'll just live with the slow skill ups.
The mod I'm hoping for is one that puts the 3D dragon back in the game. His textures were in the original but he was never implemented.
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 10:52:50 am
Noticed some people talking about trying to make the unkillable immobiles NPC actually killable.
That would join what was one of the original Daggerfall plan, with politics, a system of wars and power struggle with regions and change of governments when the nobles leading were killed , incredibly ambitious but sad this original plan was just dropped and we ended with no such amazing features and unkillable immobile npc.
But if modding can revive this , it would sure make Daggerfall incredibly better.
The Warm Ashes mod actually implement some kind of allied and enemies castles sieges, i just ran in a quest that was leading into a dungeon set as a castle and when i approached apparently this castle had been taken by orcs.
They sallied out and threw a dozen of basic orcs to attack me, when i miraculously (i'm only level 2) managed to survive this onslaught with the moving backward - slashing old tactic , i came back to that castle and despite their surprise at me being still alive, they sallied out again with basic (and ranked orcs this time) and opened their beast cages.
Beast in that situation were 4 or 5 spiders !
The less i can say is that i reloaded :D
With this mod system, Daggerfall Unity has an insane potential.
Post by: Dark One on August 05, 2019, 11:14:33 am
Spiders are still a minor annoyance compared to vampire ancients that appear only after a few level ups tho.
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 12:03:11 pm
Those hard battles gave me some nice armor (well much better than i had, as i didn't created a custom class and battlemages have serious amount of forbidden material/armor type sadly, that nice elven plastron :( ) and even got a magical mace, no idea what is its magical power tough (probably need to bring it for identify) out of looking cool with lightning .
Oh and money+loot to sell in town :)
After another save i went back to the castle but this time it looks like they were out of orcs troopers and those nasty spiders
(https://i.imgur.com/D1dZ2S2.gif)
Well, it wasn't really better as it's a high level orcs with some sergeant orcs as bodyguards, i'm in no way ready for that as after a hundred of strikes it became obvious my current weapon and my low level would never allow me to actually hurt their boss that can one shot me without problem (the sergeants probably i could deal with as i killed one in the 2nd defenders wave)
Good i kept a save before approaching the castle for the last time, will have to level up a bit more before coming back :D
EDIT
oh boy that was evil from the mod maker :D
As i ran to town in order to heal (the travel did it fortunately) and sell my loot , i purchased a better weapon (in term of damage as the magic mace while probably good had by default less damage than the long sword i bought, and my character skills are better with long blade anyways).
Then i was walking a bit around the small town i was in, identifying the buildings around when
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
:o
Noticed immediately that no guard was interested to help, and neither the orcs interested in a carnage on the civilians sadly (i hope there will be a mod for that at some point as it's rather immersion breaking)
But instead of running away (fortunately my character running skill allow me to run faster than the enemy so after a distance i could just fast travel somewhere else, i decided to test the old tactic as it was a town, so with the wilderness around there's no blocking like in a dungeon and i had a more damaging weapon (even if not magical).
And after the usual lots of save/reload, it actually worked every orcs were dead.
Unless i missed one somewhere stuck in the village (though i never found him) there was no message acknowledging the orc army destruction, unless that modded quest is bugged, no idea.
Lot of fun to rediscover Daggerfall with those mods
Post by: Imic on August 05, 2019, 01:43:20 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 01:47:57 pm
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1662
Post by: Dark One on August 05, 2019, 04:16:39 pm
Gotta adjust the mods, they're making load times awfully slow, but that's also due to my weak HDD.
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 05, 2019, 04:19:39 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 04:37:38 pm
bats&rats are of the same faction, but get them near a skeleton, and they're going to battle
by the way i noticed the grass mod increase loading time a lot, so i disabled it.
I found another castle that had been filled with nasty orcs.
But this time i decided to not run away before the 3rd wave as i had a weapon good enough (and much better long blade skill than before) to sometime actually hit the orc warlord.
Still using the backward + striking tactic though as my character is still only level 2 it would be suicide to do anything else considering the amount of enemy rushing at you.
And it worked to the end and the orc warlord was defeated, this time it displayed a quest ending message and i got a very lot of money out of it (9000 something ! ), and even better i found a dai katana (the best damaging 2 handed "long blade" type) made of elven material (so very usefull on nearly every kind of enemies as some are immune to normal metals) on the corpses when looting every orcs.
With that nice weapon i got some confidence and got into the dungeon nearby, had the pleasant surprise to see a big room with a skeleton and 3 bats ! pleasant because the bats and the skeletons decided to assault each other (if they didn't i would have run away, this situation was a death sentence for my level 2 guy), while i could strike them from behind while they were busy.
Later in the dungeon i ran into
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The less i can say is that i ran extremely fast to the exit :D
Post by: Dark One on August 05, 2019, 05:15:37 pm
I'm going to try with disabled grass.
You already had such an awesome adventure while I'm about to restart a character because I forgot one thing - it was an undead hunter character and I forgot to give him a bonus against undead! Privateer's Hold, here I come again!
EDIT: Lucked out early on and looted an elven longsword and an elven daikatana, then had an epic 5 minute battle with a skeleton until an orc decided to join in and kill me. Fast forward, I'm now in Gothway Garden, I'll sell loot there and see what to do next.
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 06:57:35 pm
When i think in modern rpg the beginner areas are mostly easy... Privateer Hold was really hard for a level 1 character, (and hell on earth for some classes that are weaker in the beginning), and the game started you trapped inside :D
I remember back in the day how much time it took me to finally get outside, i was drawing plans as the ingame map was barely understandable (in D-U they added some indicator for your current position and the exit), i remember the last room i was simply sprinting, not even trying to fight (as the imp sometime one shotted you with his fireball), it is with the skeletons that i learned the backpedal and strike method of not dying fast.
Anyways, my battlemage has also joined the mage guild, as i really wanted that Recall and Levitate spell that are a must (recall with its previously dropped anchor allow you to teleport back into a dungeon exit, extremely good in some of the most convulated dungeons, and levitate mostly because i remember during the story going into some pre-made dungeons that had some area you needed to go only reachable when flying)
I also found funny that the quest i obtained from the quest giver in the mage guild i joined was located in ... Lysandus Tomb
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 05, 2019, 07:02:23 pm
The real difference for me with the dungeon map was the increased resolution, and the option to turn upper floors invisible (hold mouse wheel while moving mouse). Now I can actually pick out landmarks instead of trying to see through a mess of grey/brown pixels.
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 07:12:37 pm
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1689
the settings.ini can be found there :
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Windows
C:\Users\Username\AppData\LocalLow\Daggerfall Workshop\Daggerfall Unity
Linux
/home/username/.config/unity3d/Daggerfall Workshop/Daggerfall Unity
Mac
/Users/Username/Library/Application Support/Daggerfall Workshop/Daggerfall Unity
note :
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Advantages
Random dungeons for guild quests, etc. will be reduced to roughly the size of Privateer's Hold. This makes random questing faster and reduces chance of finding impossible block combinations.
Some interior blocks are more complex than others so there's still lots of variability.
New layouts are compatible with quest system as interior blocks should always have quest markers.
The new dungeon is created from random border and interior blocks of the source dungeon so will be thematically the same style and use same texture tables as original.
Disadvantages
If player is already inside a dungeon subject to this change, you'll probably be dropped into the void. Please ensure your character is outside before toggling this setting.
If you have quests targeting a random location, they may no longer be functional. Best to clear your active quests before toggling this setting. Main story quests should be fine provided they aren't currently targeting a random dungeon.
Unforeseen issues might result from this change. Please consider it experimental only. Feature may or may not become part of Daggerfall Unity 1.0. It might evolve into something else or be cut completely.
edit : and i like that quality of life improvement about the quests : you press L (or wherever you bound the Logbook function) , right click on a quest description and it automatically bring up the map and ask you if you want to travel there, no need to search for the location manually.
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on August 05, 2019, 09:07:10 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 05, 2019, 09:24:54 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2019, 09:47:40 pm
So to me there will always be a nostalgia factor at play so regardless of modern games and etc... i always come back from time to time to Daggerfall thanks to dosbox, but recently i made the move to Daggerfall Unity finding the modding possibilities to improve vastly the potential Daggerfall never reached (as lots of planned features (https://web.archive.org/web/20141225202024/http://www.svatopluk.com/daggerfall/museum/) were cut during development).
For a player that grew with its successors i don't know, maybe watching a video from the D-U dev showcasing the "retro render" feature of D-U by exploring the starting dungeon and a bit of the exterior and town can tell you if this game can be something you would enjoy, as regardless if you use mods to replace models, textures , add shaders and etc... it's still that same daggerfall under the pretty mods hood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPHnyKXazxc
But i believe it's still a very good game if you can tolerate older visuals, and with modding with time it will certainly reach new levels.
Post by: Dark One on August 06, 2019, 03:31:36 am
I gotta try modding DFU one day, rope climbing and grappling hook mod would be great for all those non-magic and ninja classes.
Privateer's Hold is a bit of a nuisance, but you can get some loot early on. Hell, I found an elven daikatana yesterday - that's a weapon for a half of if not for entirety of my current playthrough. I already know this place by heart, so I can just sprint out with those weakling linguist classes.
Min-maxing is super cool and immersive in Daggerfall. The advantages and disadvantages system gives you lots of role-playing possibilities. You can even have phobias in this game!
Post by: Iduno on August 06, 2019, 08:41:20 am
So to me there will always be a nostalgia factor at play so regardless of modern games and etc... i always come back from time to time to Daggerfall thanks to dosbox, but recently i made the move to Daggerfall Unity finding the modding possibilities to improve vastly the potential Daggerfall never reached (as lots of planned features (https://web.archive.org/web/20141225202024/http://www.svatopluk.com/daggerfall/museum/) were cut during development).
I remember the banks. You walked in, with a horse-drawn cart, moving at 1 pixel per minute, and deposited more than your weight in gold. Then you could sell the rest of your stuff. Also, despite temperature not being implemented, you could choose a disadvantage that meant heat affected you much more. Maybe it was a lizard person thing?
I need to clear out my backlog so I can add "beat Daggerfall by min-maxing like crazy without being a mage." Short range stun spells that last as long as a fight were hilarious, but probably not intended.
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 06, 2019, 09:02:44 am
Spoiler: Meanwhile in my playthrough (click to show/hide)
"dump personality," they said
Post by: Robsoie on August 06, 2019, 09:13:52 am
Failed 2 "find that guy in that dungeon" type of quest in a row as despite spending lots of time exploring those gigantic random places i simple couldn't find those guys so i gave up both quests (at least got lot of money out of the loots), waiting their time limit to be reached.
Result : the mage guild expelled me. Man that was harsh, first they sent me to Lysandus tomb and now that :D
Ok, "smaller dungeons" here we go :)
Post by: Dark One on August 06, 2019, 09:54:06 am
Post by: Akura on August 06, 2019, 10:22:16 am
Spoiler: Meanwhile in my playthrough (click to show/hide)
"dump personality," they said
Might be using the wrong tone if you're talking to common folk. Polite is for nobles and such. Try blunt instead.
Post by: Dark One on August 06, 2019, 10:42:50 am
Post by: Robsoie on August 06, 2019, 11:01:53 am
Anyways, i ran into a rather complex random dungeon, doing a fetch quest in order to get more reputation with the mage guild so i could rejoin them. This dungeon was full of those red brick walls that are in fact teleporters in the daggerfall world. Then ran into a oddly floating in the middle of the room red brick wall (usually they're on the walls) that i had to activate instead of moving through like the other teleporters.
finally ran into a lever after a lot of teleporting, then after more red brick wall was teleported back near the exit. Went to re-explore again to see what that lever could have done and after activating again the "floating" red wall i noticed what it did : it opened a trapdoor on the ground just below the exact tile i teleported on, making me fall down into a tunnel filled with water.
Good the character can hold his breath as it's where i noticed i forgot to buy the water breathing spell before being expelled :D
Fortunately that tunnel section was short (probably thanks to smaller dungeon) and behind a locked door (that i had to force open with my sword striking it as i had no unlocking spell), one of those big murder fish was there .
Lucky i managed to kill it fast enough to still have some air in my lungs and behind that now dead murder fish ... the scroll that was the quest target i needed to bring back to the mage guild.
Using the levitate spell i could fly out of the water and up to the trap door area.
It was an oddly more complicated random dungeon than usual to reach this kind of random quest item.
Post by: Dark One on August 06, 2019, 01:00:37 pm
Made some smaller quests from random people in taverns: one delivery to a random house in the same city, one escort to another city cause someone got in trouble with Thieves Guild, another one was to rescue a child from Dark Brotherhood, and the last one - I had to go to a dungeon to find Daedric Lodestone and bring it in exchange for Chrysamere. A dungeon full of humans dropping nice loot was a nice change of pace, but then a daedra seducer attacked. I couldn't hurt her with elven grade weaponry, so I used shock spell, after which I got a message that the quest giver lied to me and is in fact an orc. I accepted to not take the lodestone and got back to the city. After getting to the place where I was about to meet with quest giver, he turned into an orc shaman and yelled that I broke his illusion. Several reloads later, both the shaman and warrior protecting him were dead, and I've got a reputation boost within Mages Guild.
Right now I'm onto another quest - the same old kill a random guy in a random dungeon deal for the Order of the Hour.
Post by: TeaAndRum on August 06, 2019, 05:36:49 pm
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 07, 2019, 02:53:40 am
And then I literally spent 3 hours and 58 minutes running off into nowhere land. I didn't know how to fast travel, actually thought it was bugged. So figured I'd hit the end of the map or find something. And...then I finally just now, saw its "V" (I missed it) to open the travel map. I think found a graveyard, so at least found something. There wasnt any undead though, just a graveyard.
I then saw the size of the starting region is massive...like almost 4 hours and I didn't make much progress...
Then I had to look, because its the whole world not just daggerfall.
World is 161,600 square kilometers (62,394 square miles) — roughly half the size of Great Britain — with over 15,000 towns, cities, villages, and dungeons for the player's character to explore
And...then its gonna be the first game I actually make use of fast travel rofl. But I hate fast travel in how they did it in fallout and most games...click button and auto teleport there. Unless it makes sense, like a ship going to another port (though I'd rather watch the ship actually travel there in real time), or a literal portal in the game world, or an actual teleport spell works too. Not stupid button to click on and go there. Worst immersion ever. At least skyrim had wagons and there was the immersive wagon addon, even if it was buggy. But I wouldn't like teleporting in real life either and would never teleport in real life ever. It be like star trek you die and make a 100% clone of you in the other spot lol. So if it works like that where you click non-immersive button and teleport there for no immersive reason at all, I'm gonna get this https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1293 the only gameplay mod I'd want to get without having played daggerfall before.
But anyway rant about teleporting aside, so 5 hours with finding one single interesting thing that was empty and made very little progress rofl. Never seen such a big game map, though I guess ES arena is bigger since daggerfall is #2. Or I guess minecraft is actually bigger since it autogenerates forever.
Post by: Dark One on August 07, 2019, 03:22:51 am
Some frustrating Daggerfall facts:
1. A pack of skeletons is called a rattle.
2. 95% of skeletal warrior attacks connect.
3. Undead pick quite a lot of punch.
4. Imps are low level 1 hit kill cannons.
5. The quest objective is either in front of your nose or hidden behind a flooded section swarming with slaughterfish that is behind a secret door that is down a deep drop and you can access that only through a one way red brick portal.
6. If there is nothing, absolutely nothing of worth of interest behind some door, there's a fair chance that it'd be locked with high level lock, and if you'd try to bash it open, it'd take forever.
7. Vampire Ancients appear out of nowhere and murder you just because they can. No, you can't defend yourself against them because you need a weapon out of high grade material or loads of spell points.
8. The majority of services you can get out of guilds are reserved for high level character.
9. Poisoning is a death sentence that can end your character if you can't buy a potion or can't cast the spell.
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2019, 06:18:50 am
To improve the sight seeing in Daggerfall Unity, there's also this one i use :
Moutains&Hills :
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1008
that makes the wilderness more interesting to see, so travelling instead of fast-travelling become slightly less boring
the Tedious Travel mod looks nice, the accelerate time feature especially, i will have to give it a try
similarly to morrowind there's a "distant land" mod that may be usefull too but i never tried it :
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10
Oh and as mentionned Warm Ashes is a must have if you want less peacefull travels, as out of the other features it also add wilderness encounters
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1087
An important tip for people not used to Daggerall combat system and that will save your low level characters : learn to time your backpedalling during fight allows to avoid enemy hitting you.
I seems obvious but you're often tempted to just strike after strike until enemy is dead, that may not be a bad idea against a rat (well depending on your class as a rat can kill the weakest classes or not that well min-maxed custom classes) but against a skeleton you're just going to die when you're low level.
For fighting a skeleton, a first good idea is to disable in the option the "improved AI" as if it only applied to intelligent enemies it wouldn't be bad, but as it applies even to rats it only serves as making combat more tedious as instead of either always going to you or running away, the AI would sometime move back for a few seconds, wait before attacking again.
the backpedal method still work against "improved AI" but it just take a lot more time because as said the AI will sometime move back and wait, making you wait too as you're not wanting to rush the enemy that is waiting in case it is ready to strike.
So the skeleton rushes you, when it reaches a certain distance it will strike, if you're immobile when it strike there's a lot of chance the hit will connect and severely injure you, so instead of waiting when you see the skeleton reaching the striking distance, backpedal and there's a huge lot of chance the strike will miss you.
It is now that you attack, depending on your character (probably a mix between you character speed attribute and your selected game speed/difficulty) you will be able to strike probably 3 times without retaliation (2 if you're cautious).
when you can do the 3rd , it is very likely that it is time the skeleton will become able to strike again extremely soon and so time for you to prepare to backpedal again to lower a very lot the chance to be hit.
The secret is to know your timing, when to backpedal and when to strike, this make surviving combat in early game a lot more possible than "oh it's a skeleton in Privateer Hold, my character is so dead"
Then you have ranged enemies :D
Post by: Dark One on August 07, 2019, 09:59:51 am
Spoiler: Long Backstory (click to show/hide)
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2019, 11:30:12 am
The dungeon i was exploring was nearly exactly the same as the one with the many, many red brick walls teleporters, the only difference i saw was the the tunnel under the trap door once you use the lever wasn't filled by any water.
Oh and instead of legions of skeletons, this one had legions of healers and nightblades, and 2 harpies.
Despite their immunity against several materials harpies have no protection against hand to hand, so if you have good punch/kick stat and no dwarven (or better material weapon) , either run past those nasty things or punch them to death (their death preferably).
After exploring the whole dungeon (thanks to the smaller dungeon option) i nearly went mad at not finding the damned quest item .
Finally got it from a room with crates
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 07, 2019, 12:02:35 pm
Post by: Dark One on August 07, 2019, 12:21:21 pm
Made some more find-kill and fetch quests for Mages Guild and my favorite - the night watch in the guild hall quest. And still my only magical item is that wand that increases Dragonish.
I actually like large and long spanning dungeons for quests, but then I chose Regenerate Health as an advantage during class making, which heals me up even when I loiter, so I can explore pretty fast. Also, I like that lighting items are actually useful in DF Unity. The lantern and oil make a really good tool and a really big difference for all those long ventures into the dark corridoors - the lantern shines really long and you need only 3 units of oil to get it from Worn to New or Almost New, and the oil stacks up in the inventory, which makes it far better than non-stackable candles and torches.
Post by: Aoi on August 07, 2019, 12:22:18 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2019, 12:42:49 pm
Even more funny when you already have some in your inventory, but the quest giver does not care , he NEEDS that item down in that dark dungeon filled with doom and death , not the one , very safe, you already have in your inventory :D
For the loitering option that allow to wait in town without being considered a vagrant and get the "Halt!" guys coming your way, in default game it's limited to max 3 hours for some reason, so if you need/want to loiter more hours without having to re-use the (R)est->loiter function multiple times there's this mod that remove this odd limitation :
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2450
It looks like it has a good chance to be integrated in the game on future builds, probably as an option.
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 07, 2019, 01:41:33 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2019, 04:27:58 pm
So after reaching a reputation requirement, just travel around for enough day so the next time you talk to your fellow guild members your ranking up is processed.
edit : oh nice, after a "fetch that item" that a lich stole from us but you don't need to fight said lich (and i used recall to be sure i didn't had to die :D ) the dibella quest giver rewarded me with some magic sandals, after identifying them, those are sandal that "cast orc strength when held"
Sure it looks odd on my leather armored battlemage and has horrible protection, but that's some nice damage boost there as by default i have "only" 60 in strength.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dark One on August 07, 2019, 05:37:34 pm
I moved on to other regions with cleansing out burial sites. The monsters infighting and added by Warm Ashes checks make up for some really cool roleplaying opportunities. In one of the crypts, a thief attacked me, but a skeleton crept up behind him and started pounding on him. I thought "Shall I intervene or wait until the skeleton is done with him?", then when the thief died I proceeded to kill that bony bastard. Then I thought "I could've killed the thief swift and fast myself and deal with the skeleton anyway." And the checks allow you to pacify an enemy, making it non-hostile. It happened with another thief in another catacomb. I thought about making a thievish character next, so now I've got a backstory element for that - an undead hunter spared the life of a grave robber when searching for a vampire lord.
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2019, 06:11:48 pm
The etiquette skill despite being still low on my character pacified a few enemies already (mages and healers so far) , i hope if people manage in the future to make a companion system this could play a role.
After selling loot from a recent quest (i got another promotion in the temple of dibella allowing me access to their library, good except they have no library or book anywhere :D ) i bought a cart (for the extra carrying capacity) and a horse .
Solo horse are supposed to be faster than the cart integrated ones, but i can't seem to notice this (in fact it seemed the cart horse was actually faster in some test ), the other difference is solo horse can jump (and do not have the additional sound from the cart).
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 07, 2019, 06:38:18 pm
Anyway, the travel mod is cool. You select a point of interest to travel to and your character "auto"travels there. So I can only travel on foot, and you get to watch your character actually make his/her way to the destination on foot. There is a horse/wagon/ship option too, but dunno what that is like.
You can also speed up how fast time goes as you travel. Can slow it down to 1x (still faster than walking/running there) or by default can go 10x and I haven't tried to see if it can go higher but 10x is pretty fast.
So for anyone else who likes immersive travel, its a great mod. Though not sure how wagons/ships work like I said, it be cool and amazing if get to actually travel on a ship.
Post by: George_Chickens on August 08, 2019, 01:47:08 am
Post by: Robsoie on August 08, 2019, 09:28:36 am
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=78
But i imagine now that Daggerfall Unity is getting more traction with the release of this alpha may hopefully attract more coders so we may finally see some cool dungeon generation feature taking place in the future. I wish there was something like the utterly amazing Oblige (http://oblige.sourceforge.net/) and expansion (https://caligari87.github.io/ObAddon/) level generator for Doom.
Post by: Dark One on August 08, 2019, 02:51:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Iduno on August 08, 2019, 03:08:33 pm
Continuing my roleplay catacomb exploration, I was attacked by a thief and promptly killed him. This is one of the best drops I had with this character so far, and it's out of a measly thief - an enchanted dwarven-grade dai-katana!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
You're roleplaying as Victor Von Doom, explorer?
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 08, 2019, 03:10:42 pm
Continuing my roleplay catacomb exploration, I was attacked by a thief and promptly killed him. This is one of the best drops I had with this character so far, and it's out of a measly thief - an enchanted dwarven-grade dai-katana!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hey, my character has that same cloak!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dark One on August 08, 2019, 03:41:03 pm
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Post by: Robsoie on August 09, 2019, 07:46:41 am
giants aren't a joke in those quests at low level because when you hit the target it will launch a call , triggering more giants spawning after a while in the dungeon you're in.
When you're low level it's a very good idea to have put an anchor near the exit and teleport back (the recall spell is a must anyways in Daggerfall) to it after killing the target, because more giants can be bad news as they can inflict up to 2 times the damage a skeleton can do to you.
Oh and in Daggefall it's a good idea to get some skill training with blunt weapons, because those legions of skeletons you encounter in dungeons (i wish D-U had some stats page , i'm curious to know how many of those hundreds of skeletons i killed so far) only take half damage from other type of weapons.
Great news for my character, he finally found 2 dwarven weapons from an Orc castle siege amongst very good money from completing it (a broadsword and a longsword, the broadsword dealing the less damage oddly as from the pictures it looked bigger), meaning finally no more running away from harpies :)
EDIT :
Finally got my rank up to "enchanter" in the mage guild, it tooks a long grinding in the wilderness of my Destruction skill throwing shocks or fireball (not sure if using more expensive spell increase the internal train progression more than lower ones) to finally get it to reach 55 (as to reach that rank you need your best mage guild skill at 55 the lowest at 21), resting a lot too (should really have made a custom class for the x3 magicka, those default battlemages aren't that, mixed with the forbidding of most armor it's annoying), as the trainer told me i was better than him when i was at +/- 51 and so wouldn't be able to train me more on it :/
But it seems to have improved the items available in the guild magic item seller as i got a cape and a torc that improve my willpower and my speed, willpower being apparently used in how fast/slow a magic-based skill can be grinded it sounds like a good new.
Post by: Teneb on August 09, 2019, 12:33:24 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 09, 2019, 12:58:29 pm
Post by: Dark One on August 09, 2019, 01:26:40 pm
I bought a ship, though I took a small loan which I'll repay soon.
Post by: Sime on August 09, 2019, 02:08:03 pm
Post by: Imic on August 09, 2019, 02:16:33 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 09, 2019, 02:19:55 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've never encountered this particular dungeon block before, but I'm pretty sure that a dungeon isn't the best place to keep cattle.
Post by: pikachu17 on August 09, 2019, 02:21:26 pm
Also, could it be stolen cattle?
Post by: pikachu17 on August 09, 2019, 02:24:43 pm
I'd never set foot in a dungeon if it was permadeath; it'd just be more economical to pick the lock to a bookstore and fence all the books the following day to a pawn shop to become fabulously wealthy. Yawn.Pretty sure reloading an earlier save after death is how its supposed to work. Otherwise it would just delete the save and we'd have to savescum.
Cheat away, me hearties.
Post by: Robsoie on August 09, 2019, 04:41:59 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 09, 2019, 09:24:55 pm
Also my magical bra of spell absorption isn't as awesome as I thought it would be. Instead of totally absorbing spells and adding to my magicka, it seems to just add a chance to save. I'm sure it will get more impressive as I level up.
Post by: Teneb on August 09, 2019, 11:34:09 pm
Tried to make a thief/stealth archer, only to end up with no arrows (and can't find any) and protecting homes from thieves.
Post by: Mech#4 on August 10, 2019, 12:47:50 am
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 10, 2019, 01:01:43 am
Playing through Oblivion and Fallout 4 simultaneously with this game is messing with my head. I keep trying to use Oblivion's default controls to do things in Daggerfall, or switch to third person to see around corners.
Post by: Dark One on August 10, 2019, 11:34:41 am
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2479&p=28963
Post by: Robsoie on August 10, 2019, 11:37:08 am
Once i finally got my Guardian rank, i decided to go spend some time at the beach around a lake in the west of Wayrest (i based my character adventures on Menevia, that is close to Wayrest) that was close to a town so it was a short travel on my horse cart to reach it.
And the less i can say is that monsters and bandits (i use the excellent warm ashes) seems to be interested in going to the beach, except that they don't like sharing it with the player character
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Oh and don't forget to check your weapons/armor pieces level of damage, they can break if you don't have them repaired regularly (i usually do it at the fighter guild) , i just lost an excellent dwarven longsword that had Sphere of Negation a on strike, good i always keep some spare weapons.
By default you couldn't repair magic weapons in Daggerfall, but by adding a line in the z.cfg it enabled this possibility.
Daggerfall Unity added this as an option, so if you want to repair a magic weapon you'll have to enable the option first.
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 10, 2019, 12:11:19 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 10, 2019, 12:43:04 pm
But unless they changed how it works in D-U in comparison to old Daggerfall it's not the same repairing as in regular repair, in old Daggerfall once you added the possibility to repair magic items, you had to go to the enchant object guy (in the mage guild by example), and enchant a cloth/armor with the power "repair" (+/- 9000 gold needed for the enchanting) and equip it to have the enchantment working its way.
With enough time it would get items (one by one, one after the other, so the more items you have in inventory the more time it will take) back to the condition "New" , if there's an item you want repaired first, drop the other (into wagon or in your storage house/ship).
From my observation it's only magic weapons that degrade, i have not seen a piece of magic armor/cloth i currently wear to get below "New" (a bug ?)
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 10, 2019, 12:53:45 pm
I've been over every inch of Theodyrick Laboratory and killed enough mages and battlemages to depopulate a small country, but I still haven't found the wizard that the Mage's Guild wants dead so badly. If I can't find him in the next two or three play sessions, I think I might cheat to see where he is and use that to work my way there "legitimately."
I'm trying to play as vanilla as possible, as I do on my first play-through of any Bethesda game, but smaller dungeons is sounding mighty appealing after four sessions of staring at the map looking for unexplored areas.
Post by: Robsoie on August 10, 2019, 01:10:09 pm
EDIT : finally found my first mythril weapon ! Good i don't have to worry anymore about any enemy immunity
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Dark One on August 10, 2019, 02:06:56 pm
Just had another one of those kill crazed orc quests for Knights of the Dragon. The dungeon was full of fokking giants. There were three of them in the room with the orc I was after! At least got an advancement to Keeper after this quest, which granted me a dwarven armor piece and free inns in the entire Illiac Bay.
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 10, 2019, 02:51:03 pm
For those curious I'll add it to this spoiler, since its pretty OP (at least at low levels, I imagine even stronger later)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Probably gamey and OP, but at least I can actually play the game without dying to every single thing I meet :P
Post by: Robsoie on August 10, 2019, 06:36:36 pm
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After a week as i was using this not only as a source of money/loot but also grinding some skills, the location started to be very populated
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But also some disapointement, the warm ashes mod wilderness encounters aren't all only negative, you can also get some friendly/neutral spawns too, encoutering a party of adventurer going on their adventures etc..
Unfortunately despite the infighting feature of D-U on that location there were several "friendly" nightblades, healers and warriors and several hostile monsters but they never attacked each other.
I searched around and apparently the spawns from quests are "protected" from the infighting feature, sad as it would be great to have quests spawning opposing armies, but as they would be spawned by quests they would never fight .
I hope in the future they'll find a way to manage the faction system with integrating spawns from quests.
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 10, 2019, 08:43:45 pm
If I knew more about Unity and modding, I'd mod two such things- maybe make a 15-20% chance for a found ingredient item to be replaced by a potion (you seriously just don't 'find' the things, although it makes joining a faction that sells them a significant choice), and something like a 'writ of training (skillname)' as a sort of one-time training blurb you can find and use out in the world, perhaps on the same droptable as maps and recipes. It'd be a helpful way to train skills like Dragonish or whatever for when your guild is making demands on minimum skill levels.
According to UESP, (https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Potions) nobody in vanilla Daggerfall either buys or sells potions. The only way to acquire them is to find them (rare but possible, I've found a few) or make them via a guild or temple that offers a Potion Maker.
Post by: Iduno on August 10, 2019, 11:28:02 pm
running is pretty much in everyones build.
I think jumping or athletics or whatever is also hilarious when you've got it leveled more than expected - which takes about 30 minutes. You can jump over buildings and pretty much anything else. Also, it's a reasonably fast way to travel, if annoying.
Post by: Dark One on August 11, 2019, 05:41:24 am
There's a new version of DFU fixing some things, but also forbidding selling magic items in shops. Also, careful with the magic items - I asked on discord and the magic repair is not working in the few current builds. It'll be working in the next build release.
Post by: Robsoie on August 11, 2019, 06:08:49 am
About the magic item, i don't think it's that important to be able to repair them, because if you rank up in the mage guild you'll have access to the magic item maker, it's costly but in the same time you can do a lot. So not being able to repair magic weapons may be an incentive to make you use the mage guild to produce new ones
And only magic weapons degrade their condition, you will have no problem with cloth/armor/jewelry you enchanted anyways.
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If you install the Archaeologists mod and then get a locator, you can use it in the dungeon after exploring some 25% of it and it'll draw a circle straight towards the objective- super handy if you have a way to replace locators and/or you're getting desperate to find your objective. 10/10 would totally recommend this mod.I had the mod but didn't knew about the locator, thanks for pointing this, i'll have to get a locator to cut the dungeon crawling time when looking for the elusive quest targets.
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 11, 2019, 12:12:42 pm
Spoiler: Map (click to show/hide)
It's hard to tell from the screenshot, but the rooms containing the quest target are completely walled off from the main dungeon area. Unless there's a secret door I missed (the map doesn't show any) or a teleporter (nothing in the area is clickable) or some tool I'm missing (totally possible) then this dungeon, with this quest, is actually unwinnable.
Post by: scriver on August 11, 2019, 02:33:07 pm
Jesus this game is so much harder than I remember it being.
Post by: scriver on August 12, 2019, 04:00:53 am
Spoiler: Hey look I got an Elven Plate pauldron in my very first lootbag (click to show/hide)
The one on the altar in the very first ratroom. I rolled a 60 in Luck. Maybe it's actually useful?
Post by: Robsoie on August 12, 2019, 06:04:39 am
After exploring completely a dungeon for my first archaelogist quest and not finding the actual quest item anywhere, i activated the locator item they had put in m inventory and it created a constant circle in my view to the direction of the item.
As it pointed to somewhere i had no access to, it made me discover a hidden door in a wall i had never found in my previous exploration (usually in the map you can see the hidden doors, but for this one i probably didn't rotated the map on the good angle to see it).
That's such an amazing item, too bad it's limited to people joining this mod guild.
Post by: scriver on August 12, 2019, 06:20:19 am
Post by: pikachu17 on August 12, 2019, 11:58:42 am
Still doing the first dungeon, going through it with different characters and stuffGreat. Now I can't unsee it.
Post by: Imic on August 12, 2019, 12:07:15 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 12, 2019, 01:16:00 pm
After my experience in the last quest, I click on anything that looks vaguely suspicious lest I miss a teleporter or secret wall. But in the Sepulchre of Darkenezzar, I clicked on a floating black skull and it instantly killed me. I didn't know that was a possibility.
Post by: scriver on August 12, 2019, 01:23:23 pm
Still doing the first dungeon, going through it with different characters and stuffGreat. Now I can't unsee it.
It's-a me
Post by: Virtz on August 12, 2019, 01:30:28 pm
I now have so much gold that I have to keep it in my wagon, or my carry weight shrinks down to nothing. Between lucky finds and a shopping spree, I now have two magical pieces of malachite that cast Ice Storm and Fire Storm, a dagger that casts Toxic Cloud, a Wisdom-enhancing vest, a bra and skirt that absorb spells, and an evening gown that gives Water Walking. It feels good after years of being foiled by water sections and unable to deal with single skeletons.Go to a bank. You can deposit your gold and exchange it for a letter of credit, which works as currency in most situations.
After my experience in the last quest, I click on anything that looks vaguely suspicious lest I miss a teleporter or secret wall. But in the Sepulchre of Darkenezzar, I clicked on a floating black skull and it instantly killed me. I didn't know that was a possibility.
I kind of wish there was some way of circumventing the carpal tunnel inducing search for hidden doors in dungeons. I'll never understand why people in the 90s thought fake walls with absolutely no visual distinctions are a good mechanic. Like at least displace the texture a little.
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 12, 2019, 01:37:14 pm
I kind of wish there was some way of circumventing the carpal tunnel inducing search for hidden doors in dungeons. I'll never understand why people in the 90s thought fake walls with absolutely no visual distinctions are a good mechanic. Like at least displace the texture a little.
Secret doors in Daggerfall will show up as holes on the map. This apparently doesn't work for ones that are activated by switch, but if it's just a door that looks like a wall, there will be a door-shaped hole in its place on the 3D map.
I like them as long as A) they're not essential and B) it's clear that the game has secret doors to look for. The first point unfortunately doesn't apply to DF, or even a majority of games that feature secret doors...
Post by: Dark One on August 12, 2019, 01:47:55 pm
After my experience in the last quest, I click on anything that looks vaguely suspicious lest I miss a teleporter or secret wall. But in the Sepulchre of Darkenezzar, I clicked on a floating black skull and it instantly killed me. I didn't know that was a possibility.
There are some red brick walls that can do it as well, and there are other trapped objects, even doors.
Post by: scriver on August 12, 2019, 02:02:02 pm
Also, remind me - I seem to rememeber there being a brick-activated hidden door in the tutorial dungeon, but I couldn't find it any of my starts. Am I mistaken, or where is it?
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 12, 2019, 02:09:58 pm
It's a bit annoying that bookstore's don't buy books. Libraries too for that matter.
Also, remind me - I seem to rememeber there being a brick-activated hidden door in the tutorial dungeon, but I couldn't find it any of my starts. Am I mistaken, or where is it?
The only one I can remember is in the "throne room" shortly before the exit. On the left side of the stairs there's a locked hidden door that looks like a wall.
Post by: Dark One on August 12, 2019, 03:27:08 pm
I'm still saving for that house, cause boat is not enough. I might get one from a knightly order sooner though.
I have 10 magic items by now: Cloth amulet of shocking, Bracer of Wildfire, Mark of Recall, Unrestrainable Mark (free action), Sapphire of Wildfire, Long Shirt of Featherweight, Rare Symbol of Paralysis, Silent Holy Water (silence), Dwarven Dai-katana of featherweight and Steel Broadsword of Magicka.
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 12, 2019, 04:04:34 pm
Level 2, soloed a pack of 6 centaurs. Then right after 2 giants+bear showed up, soloed those too. I can if I really wanted to exploit (I did try it but I'd rather make money) spam fireballs on the ground for all of time cause I get spell points back and take no damage. I laughed but I'm not gonna do that, cause my character is already OP as it is. She is gonna be so strong later on its gonna be so broken rofl
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 13, 2019, 01:23:36 am
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2019, 08:35:03 am
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2019, 09:16:05 am
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2019, 09:59:55 am
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 13, 2019, 12:28:20 pm
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2019, 02:18:50 pm
Spoiler: Obvious Portal is Obvious, right? (click to show/hide)
Can't figure out what to do with them for the life of me. There's like 3-5 of them in this dungeon.
Also, related question: I'm having a super huge trouble finding the item I'm supposed to find here and the quest is spawning skeletons every so often to haunt me. Being level 2 I can take one of them, but my health has been slowly nicked down, I'm almost out of stamina, and I would be able to rest and recover because they spawn even while sleeping, interrupting the rest. So I'm pretty screwed. If i Reload the game from before I entered the dungeon, is there a chance the plot item will spawn in another place that might be easier to find?
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2019, 03:56:13 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 13, 2019, 05:05:53 pm
Those "red brick walls" are working oddly in Daggerfall, sometime you must walk through them so they can work, sometime you must click on them to make them work (as walking through wouldn't do) and i have seen some that do nothing at all (probably a bug as Daggerfall was notorious of having so many)
So i guess it was very bad luck that the dungeon generated only with the "do nothing at all" version, unless one of the mods you're using broke them, as usually i may have only 1 of them not working, all of the other are either walk through or activate type.
Post by: scriver on August 13, 2019, 06:49:52 pm
Had to abandon that one dungeon too though as I managed to explore the entire complex except a single door that was magically sealed that I was unable to find the opener to. I managed to fully explore the next dungeon though, thank god, including an underwater part that I really should not have been able to make it through. Turns out giants are pansies when trapped in a tiny room on the other side of a doorway.
Spoiler: water exploit found (click to show/hide)
Post by: Robsoie on August 13, 2019, 08:47:13 pm
For doors that have no message, it's usually a lever or a wheel to activate somewhere.
I found a nice mod that modify the lights, disabling the flickering that got annoying my eyes it gives a very nice atmosphere even on the retro rendering i'm playing with, lowering the default light settings can make the mod delivering some nicely dramatic scenery.
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2479
Post by: scriver on August 14, 2019, 02:18:33 am
I'm not asking why this is by the way, unless there's a setting somewhere that I might have missed. I have bunch of mods installed and I'm not able to recall all off them off hand, and I'm not at my computer so this question was posed before I've had the opportunity to check myself. I just want to know if using torches are supposed to make a noticeable difference in-game?
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 14, 2019, 03:08:38 am
Post by: scriver on August 14, 2019, 03:19:31 am
edit: yeah, i found it. There was a whole bunch of stuff in there I had missed!
Post by: scriver on August 14, 2019, 04:58:49 am
Spoiler: No wonder I never find any loot (click to show/hide)
Post by: Robsoie on August 14, 2019, 06:18:04 am
There's another dungeon block that is a very huge open and tall room with some elevation/stairs in the middle and in the center of that elevation there's a big pit going down.
On the side up there there are corridors filled with loot that can be only reached with Levitate or climbing (you can climb back by walking backward to a ledge and D-U will make you go in rappel instead of just falling down, nice new feature)
Post by: scriver on August 14, 2019, 06:35:58 am
Also: That feeling when a thirty year old game makes your computer lag
Edit: Oh and my first magical item this time was a Tower Shield of Never Tiring, which is great. Do magic items have charges? If they're used up, is the item destroyed? Can you recharge it?
Post by: scriver on August 14, 2019, 12:06:15 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 14, 2019, 12:18:09 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 14, 2019, 01:13:53 pm
After dispatching a few mummies and skeletons, I come upon a scorpion-and-grizzly-bear-filled pit, guarded by a vampire.
If the other prince's quest isn't any easier, it's gonna be back to the Dibella/Fighter/Mage's Guild grind.
Post by: Robsoie on August 14, 2019, 05:10:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Akura on August 14, 2019, 07:03:34 pm
Be careful when you join, the mage guild is hardcore crazySpoiler (click to show/hide)
Wow, executing a guy because he claims he knows the location of a powerful magical artifact that the guild would instead go nuts over. Then again, the Staff of Magnus actually poses a threat to the guild, given that it's a very anti-magic weapon.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Wait, Hannibal Traven was a Breton, right? Might explain the hardcore crazy of the High Rock guilds.
Post by: Robsoie on August 14, 2019, 10:01:40 pm
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2521
As the devs have been made aware it should be fixed in future releases.
Post by: Robsoie on August 16, 2019, 04:24:35 pm
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2166
The "charcoal ghost" mod linked in the thread works very nicely as a solution.
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1526
edit : ran into my first Lich (not the ancient variant) in D-U, this one being a fighter guild quest target
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lucky i had mithril weaponry by now (just reached level 8 before that quest too) as i could destroy that enemy.
It didn't killed itself like most lich did in old Daggerfall (not sure if D-U fixed that or if i ran into one of those rare lich not exploding themselves with their spells) but lucky me probably due to my stats its spells failed on me.
Post by: Vorbicon on August 18, 2019, 05:51:35 pm
Post by: Iduno on August 18, 2019, 07:30:13 pm
Getting into Daggerfall for the first time. Right now I'm doing a fun melee build that seems kinda OP (I'm totally okay with that) that I found on a youtube video. I'd probably like to play a magic heavy build sometime in the future. Any recommendations for fun, even OP mage builds?
Honestly, having the open spell is already fairly OP, but a thief could get good enough to unlock doors as well. As I remember, the quality of goods in a store are based on what you currently have with some slightly worse and some slightly better. Equip the better stuff, and repeat. As a side effect, you get stupidly rich. They reduced the amount of that in future games.
More reasonably, levitate so nobody can melee you, and fire at them with a bow. As with most magic systems, attack magic is worse than utility spells. Although stun spells are pretty nifty.
Post by: Arbinire on August 19, 2019, 09:50:13 am
Second one was pretty standard, had to go kill a former priest of Kynareth. Everything went smoothly, get back to Gothway Gardens, and the damned Temple stiffed me on my 173 gold reward >:(.
It's been fun and entertaining though, especially with mods like Mountains and Hills and Tedious Travel actually making the gameworld worth seeing. As a fan of survival games though, it's pretty frustrating seeing all these assets with perfect dimensions and aesthetics for a lo-fi building/survival game and not being able to go make that cabin in the middle of nowhere. Am hoping once the project hits beta we'll start seeing more mods for it which actually affect gameplay a bit more.
Post by: Iduno on August 19, 2019, 11:27:54 am
Second one was pretty standard, had to go kill a former priest of Kynareth. Everything went smoothly, get back to Gothway Gardens, and the damned Temple stiffed me on my 173 gold reward >:(.
When can we get a fully destructible building mod?
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 19, 2019, 11:59:24 am
Getting into Daggerfall for the first time. Right now I'm doing a fun melee build that seems kinda OP (I'm totally okay with that) that I found on a youtube video. I'd probably like to play a magic heavy build sometime in the future. Any recommendations for fun, even OP mage builds?
Look on page 7 for my mage build. The build is in a spoiler since its really cheaty. 3 posts from the bottom. Its godmode pretty much lol. Later once I get to a higher level its gonna be so broken.
Post by: Vorbicon on August 19, 2019, 07:34:22 pm
Getting into Daggerfall for the first time. Right now I'm doing a fun melee build that seems kinda OP (I'm totally okay with that) that I found on a youtube video. I'd probably like to play a magic heavy build sometime in the future. Any recommendations for fun, even OP mage builds?
Look on page 7 for my mage build. The build is in a spoiler since its really cheaty. 3 posts from the bottom. Its godmode pretty much lol. Later once I get to a higher level its gonna be so broken.
That build looks pretty neat. A few quick questions. Any easy ways to go about contracting vampirism? And is there an easier way to access your spells without having to go into your inventory and using your spellbook?
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 19, 2019, 07:56:45 pm
Getting into Daggerfall for the first time. Right now I'm doing a fun melee build that seems kinda OP (I'm totally okay with that) that I found on a youtube video. I'd probably like to play a magic heavy build sometime in the future. Any recommendations for fun, even OP mage builds?
Look on page 7 for my mage build. The build is in a spoiler since its really cheaty. 3 posts from the bottom. Its godmode pretty much lol. Later once I get to a higher level its gonna be so broken.
That build looks pretty neat. A few quick questions. Any easy ways to go about contracting vampirism? And is there an easier way to access your spells without having to go into your inventory and using your spellbook?
1st one dunno yet since haven't got that far, I think it might just be a random chance thing. 2nd one I don't think so, but opening spellbook pauses the game at least. So you dont get attacked while its open. Then if you want to re-cast the same spell, its just "Q" and you can cast it again.
Post by: Vorbicon on August 19, 2019, 08:50:50 pm
Post by: itisnotlogical on August 19, 2019, 09:12:21 pm
Post by: newsamsam on August 19, 2019, 09:34:37 pm
Post by: Vorbicon on August 20, 2019, 06:24:06 pm
Getting into Daggerfall for the first time. Right now I'm doing a fun melee build that seems kinda OP (I'm totally okay with that) that I found on a youtube video. I'd probably like to play a magic heavy build sometime in the future. Any recommendations for fun, even OP mage builds?
Look on page 7 for my mage build. The build is in a spoiler since its really cheaty. 3 posts from the bottom. Its godmode pretty much lol. Later once I get to a higher level its gonna be so broken.
That build looks pretty neat. A few quick questions. Any easy ways to go about contracting vampirism? And is there an easier way to access your spells without having to go into your inventory and using your spellbook?
1st one dunno yet since haven't got that far, I think it might just be a random chance thing. 2nd one I don't think so, but opening spellbook pauses the game at least. So you dont get attacked while its open. Then if you want to re-cast the same spell, its just "Q" and you can cast it again.
Found out that the backspace key opens up the spell book! Also, running into an issue with spell absorption. I'm not actually gaining any mana when I hit myself with an AoE, just getting enough back to basically even out what I spent. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Post by: Teneb on August 20, 2019, 06:51:26 pm
I had to give up because I spent to much time resting between combats that I was about to run out of time and it would take longer than that just to get back to the questgiver.
Also got lost and my ebony dagger almost broke, so it was a damn miracle I was able to get out of that pit of imps, monks and skeletons.
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 20, 2019, 07:51:43 pm
Getting into Daggerfall for the first time. Right now I'm doing a fun melee build that seems kinda OP (I'm totally okay with that) that I found on a youtube video. I'd probably like to play a magic heavy build sometime in the future. Any recommendations for fun, even OP mage builds?
Look on page 7 for my mage build. The build is in a spoiler since its really cheaty. 3 posts from the bottom. Its godmode pretty much lol. Later once I get to a higher level its gonna be so broken.
That build looks pretty neat. A few quick questions. Any easy ways to go about contracting vampirism? And is there an easier way to access your spells without having to go into your inventory and using your spellbook?
1st one dunno yet since haven't got that far, I think it might just be a random chance thing. 2nd one I don't think so, but opening spellbook pauses the game at least. So you dont get attacked while its open. Then if you want to re-cast the same spell, its just "Q" and you can cast it again.
Found out that the backspace key opens up the spell book! Also, running into an issue with spell absorption. I'm not actually gaining any mana when I hit myself with an AoE, just getting enough back to basically even out what I spent. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?
Oh nice, thanks for the tip about backspace.
And about the spell, that seems to be normal until you get spell cost to go down. That is one reason to join that one vampire group for the 5 cost AOE frost spell. With that said, maybe it changed in unity at some point, because I still only get the same amount of mana back. From what I read with that build and quite a few other builds, is should get (eventually?) more mana back than it takes to cast.
Post by: Vorbicon on August 20, 2019, 10:01:37 pm
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1653
Has a settings menu you can access from the mod menu that lets you tweak how much you regen etc.
Post by: Trolldefender99 on August 20, 2019, 10:41:41 pm
Actually, nevermind about spell absorption. I found a mod that adds mana regen like in the newer elder scrolls games.
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1653
Has a settings menu you can access from the mod menu that lets you tweak how much you regen etc.
Well thats a must have for me! Nice find
Thanks :)
Post by: Robsoie on August 21, 2019, 07:31:47 am
As without taking a mana = x3 INT advantage to have enough mana to cast a few spell, by default you're stuck with casting 2 or at most 3 weak spells (or only 1 strong assuming you have high int enough to be able to afford it) before having to rest for long enough to regain mana (hoping you're not going to be interrupted by enemies spawning nearby).
regenerating mana makes spellcasting a lot more interesting to play.
Odd that while there was renegerating health there was no regenerating mana advantage to pick for custom classes.
Post by: Iduno on August 21, 2019, 09:38:39 am
It seems they limited house selection.I remember it used to have many varity of houses sold in daggerfall bank,but now it's just one.Did I missed something?
I think there is one house you can buy in each country, but each country has a different style of house.
Post by: Teneb on August 27, 2019, 12:49:29 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 27, 2019, 04:49:19 pm
But with time you should recover your badly hurt regional reputation there (as it go back to 0, 1 point at a time every months), so you can move to another region to resume your adventures (or travel a lot around to spend time).
The "murder this guy" quest deliver -75 regional reputation points , so you'll have to wait 75 months to get it back to 0 in your region of interest
Post by: Virtz on August 27, 2019, 05:07:33 pm
Post by: Bumber on August 31, 2019, 08:39:53 am
A quick google search shows that reddit has heard of it, and it's the exact same corridor:
(http://i.imgur.com/bT1Nz2g.png)
(They drew red to indicate the damaging floor.)
Post by: newsamsam on August 31, 2019, 11:27:14 pm
Post by: Mech#4 on September 01, 2019, 12:18:43 am
Jumped across a gap into a corridor that very quickly kills you if you try to walk through it. Had to levitate through it while a rat was attacking me and the door on the other side was locked.
A quick google search shows that reddit has heard of it, and it's the exact same corridor:
(http://i.imgur.com/bT1Nz2g.png)
(They drew red to indicate the damaging floor.)
Yes, I think this is one of the only floor traps in the game, certainly it's the only one I remember. I don't think there's anything you can do about it other than levitate over it as you said.
Post by: Sergius on September 02, 2019, 01:27:06 am
Jumped across a gap into a corridor that very quickly kills you if you try to walk through it. Had to levitate through it while a rat was attacking me and the door on the other side was locked.
A quick google search shows that reddit has heard of it, and it's the exact same corridor:
(http://i.imgur.com/bT1Nz2g.png)
(They drew red to indicate the damaging floor.)
I've been to that corridor in one dungeon, it only damages you when you move, I think. If you go straight without dilly-dallying plus a bit of healing you end up in a room with 4 or 5 loot piles (nothing great, just your regular randomly generated piles). I was only level 2 or 3, ended reloading just because the crappy treasure pissed me off.
I suppose you could climb hugging the wall and avoid the trap? Haven't tried...
Post by: Iduno on September 02, 2019, 12:44:56 pm
Post by: Bumber on September 02, 2019, 02:18:35 pm
Would jumping help? You're on the floor less that way.It only helps a little bit.
Post by: Teneb on September 02, 2019, 04:03:34 pm
Post by: Bumber on September 03, 2019, 05:39:28 pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/k4Kz1hhf/witch.jpg)
We'll see how merciful Stendarr is to witches! (I mean, assuming she's not wearing a necklace of water breathing, or something.)
Post by: Robsoie on September 04, 2019, 06:14:16 am
Quote
We'll see how merciful Stendarr is to witches!Wait a minute ! Does she weighs the same as a duck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g) ?
Post by: Teneb on September 04, 2019, 10:40:44 am
She ain't floating so she's clearly not a witch.QuoteWe'll see how merciful Stendarr is to witches!Wait a minute ! Does she weighs the same as a duck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g) ?
... unless she used her foul witchcraft to cast waterbreathing instead!
Post by: Imic on September 04, 2019, 01:21:36 pm
She might be breathing underwater, but that doesn’t discount the fact that she didn’t float. Not a Witch. Might be a mermaid or a Selkie though, so no promises.She ain't floating so she's clearly not a witch.QuoteWe'll see how merciful Stendarr is to witches!Wait a minute ! Does she weighs the same as a duck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g) ?
... unless she used her foul witchcraft to cast waterbreathing instead!
Post by: Bumber on September 04, 2019, 04:06:59 pm
She might be breathing underwater, but that doesn’t discount the fact that she didn’t float. Not a Witch. Might be a mermaid or a Selkie though, so no promises.Wouldn't they take on an aquatic form? Probably a vampire. I teleported back, so she didn't get exposed to any sunlight.
Post by: Bumber on November 05, 2019, 02:36:57 pm
Post by: Robsoie on November 05, 2019, 06:32:13 pm
The october release of DFU has a lot to it too, i wonder if the november release will top that, as it seems there are several contributors that are going all-in :D
and how could i miss that airship mod, it looks awesome !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjUVv7sYZWM
Post by: Robsoie on December 18, 2020, 05:33:58 am
Daggerfall Unity has reached a new milestone , it is now officially out of Alpha releases, the project is now in Beta
https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-beta-0-11-0-milestone-accomplished/
(note for those interested but that have never tried : Daggerfall has been fully playable to the end since a long time in that amazing DFU , so don't worry about the words alpha and beta, just get it, get the mods you want and enjoy DFU)
Post by: Iduno on December 18, 2020, 09:52:01 am
A little necromancy spell,
Daggerfall Unity has reached a new milestone , it is now officially out of Alpha releases, the project is now in Beta
https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-beta-0-11-0-milestone-accomplished/
(note for those interested but that have never tried : Daggerfall has been fully playable to the end since a long time in that amazing DFU , so don't worry about the words alpha and beta, just get it, get the mods you want and enjoy DFU)
Did they ever get the flowing water and festivals working like the original devs had planned, or is it more of a "this game, but slightly more modern"?
Post by: Robsoie on December 18, 2020, 02:44:21 pm
It's not a modification of Daggerfall the game by itself (though you'll see by default a lot of visual enhancement due to Unity).
But the brillance of Daggerfall Unity is that they have opened the code to modding and some modders have done rather impressive stuff with it, from terrain addition/modification to new quests, new locations, new guilds and events (and of course for graphic people, it allows new graphic thingies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsOSmHShnKA) ).
I don't know if festivals or flowing water is modded in by now, there are some mods that add a lot of lively NPC stuff, Warmer Ashes about that had been awesome (NPC fighting each other, armies duking it out...) but in recent version it became less awesome as some features of old are missing as the dev was refactoring it in order to include even more great features, hopefully soon(tm)
Post by: Iduno on January 16, 2021, 12:04:21 pm
Post by: Robsoie on January 16, 2021, 12:56:27 pm
Finding a non-Nexus mod is going to be hard as nearly all of the mods for DFU are hosted on Nexus nowadays.
Anyways, here are the mods i have always enabled for all my DFU characters
(links are all to the DFU forum, in their corresponding post there is usually a nexus link to download the mod)
Airships (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2324)
Archeologists (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=888)
Basic Magic Regen (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3898)
Basic Roads (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4167)
Better Ambience (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4182)
Convenient Clock (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1021)
DFU Quest Pack 1 (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=924)
Forgotten Questpack (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3643)
Improved Interior Lighting (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2479)
Mercenaries (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4019)
Mountain&Hills (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1008)
NPC Health Indicator (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3263)
Pilgrimages (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4211)
Readied Spellcasting Hands (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3811)
Roleplay&Realism (modular) (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2298)
Skyshards (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2746)
Sneak and Crouch combined (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4195)
Tavern Games (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4014)
Tavern Redone (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2979)
Warm Ashes (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1087)
Windmills of Daggerfall (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2850)
(for Better Ambience, i take care to disable the better snow and rain as it impacts performance in large cities)
Waiting for their updates to be back at being must-have , as i'm unsure they're working right in latest DFU
Villager Immersion Overhaul (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1131)
(edit : warm ashes is now updated)
Some very interesting mod, but can change the gameplay a lot, so i'm not using them on all my characters
Climate&Calories (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3073)
Random Starting Dungeon (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=4065)
Travel Options (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=3963)
(Travel Options is amazing, especially in combination with Basic Roads, but if you need to travel far, it can take a very lot of time)
(Climate&Calories is fantastic if you want Daggerfall to be a survival game, as temperature, hydration and nutrition become extremely important and will kill you a lot more than any monsters will do)
There are alternatives to Mountain&Hills (my preference still goes to Mountain&Hills, it play very well with Basic Road) :
Distant Terrain (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=10)
Interesting Terrain (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4062)
Eroded and Enhanced Terrain (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4431)
I really like playing with the Retro Rendering Mode , so the high res mods aren't for me, but if you want HD , these should be the mods you're lookin for :
D.R.E.A.M. (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1168)
Enhanced Sky (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1542)
Handpainted Models (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=583)
Trees of Daggerfall (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1826)
Real Grass (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=964)
Splat Terrain Texturing (https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3322)
Post by: Iduno on January 17, 2021, 09:28:42 am
I did some looking, and it's 15 hp/hour (which is something like 1 hp/minute real time?). That's not really worth the 14 points (10 for in-dungeon only) when I could buy that many hp with the points.
Anyway, this is a fairly useful page for character creation: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:ClassMaker (https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:ClassMaker)
Post by: Iduno on January 20, 2021, 05:05:44 pm
Assuming it wasn't just a cosmic dentist, what was that thing supposed to be?
Edit:
I also feel like I should make a record of which farm, shrine, and graveyard are closest to the city of Daggerfall for that stupid mage guild quest.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Mech#4 on January 21, 2021, 03:16:09 am
Edit: Searching, I guess it was this? If you're playing with mods that is. https://i.redd.it/064xse8spse41.png
I believe it's replacing the base games brick wall. They're used as teleporters sometimes. It seems like a mod has changed it's appearance to make it stand out. The symbol is one that stands for Oblivion.
If it's a teleporter, running into it or using it may take you somewhere else in the dungeon. It might not, however, as the brickwalls are also used to block off corridors that don't lead anywhere. Or sometimes they just don't do anything.
Post by: Robsoie on January 21, 2021, 03:54:01 am
edit : oh the developer of Warm Ashes updated it !!
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?p=51621#p51621
fantastic.
(edit : if you had a warm ashes.dfmod in your ...\DaggerfallUnity_Data\StreamingAssets\Mods\ from a previous beta, delete it, the Warm Ashes mod is back at using the quests and questpacks folders system instead)
Post by: Iduno on January 21, 2021, 09:14:29 am
Do you have a screenshot of it?
Edit: Searching, I guess it was this? If you're playing with mods that is. https://i.redd.it/064xse8spse41.png
I believe it's replacing the base games brick wall. They're used as teleporters sometimes. It seems like a mod has changed it's appearance to make it stand out. The symbol is one that stands for Oblivion.
If it's a teleporter, running into it or using it may take you somewhere else in the dungeon. It might not, however, as the brickwalls are also used to block off corridors that don't lead anywhere. Or sometimes they just don't do anything.
Yeah, that looks like the one.
Post by: Iduno on January 22, 2021, 08:54:37 pm
Edit: Changing back into a human fixed that, and then I was forced back into being a werewolf. At least I can get my monthly kill.
Post by: Iduno on January 26, 2021, 02:40:47 pm
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So glad I'm using the small dungeons setting.
Edit: Although making it easier to tell "unexplored hallway" from "that dead-end you've visited 4 times already" would be nice. Put a question mark at the end of unexplored bits or something so I can tell where I haven't been.
Post by: Robsoie on January 26, 2021, 02:52:51 pm
So glad Daggerfall Unity has this "smaller dungeon" settings (as they are still big enough) i have been having much more fun searching for the quests items without teleporting anymore.
But takes note that it is only for the random dungeons, the story dungeons are manually crafted (and why their geometry is so different than all the random dungeons) and aren't affected by the settings (fortunately as some have interesting designs).
Post by: wobbly on January 28, 2021, 01:04:59 pm
I don't know if the hd mod you're using have different textures for the different type of teleporters (the one that work, the one that do nothing and the one that is a trap), but be carefull with them, sometime it's a damage trap that can kill your character if he doesn't have enough health.
edit : oh the developer of Warm Ashes updated it !!
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?p=51621#p51621
fantastic.
(edit : if you had a warm ashes.dfmod in your ...\DaggerfallUnity_Data\StreamingAssets\Mods\ from a previous beta, delete it, the Warm Ashes mod is back at using the quests and questpacks folders system instead)
Hmm, so this mod doesn't happen to randomly spawn sabre-tooth tigers in the general store or anything? because that was kind of brutal. Perhaps it not this mod doing it but something is behaving fishy. Also had a bunch of grizzlies try and maul me at the inn.
Post by: Robsoie on January 28, 2021, 01:15:37 pm
Post by: Iduno on January 29, 2021, 05:54:15 pm
Hmm, so this mod doesn't happen to randomly spawn sabre-tooth tigers in the general store or anything? because that was kind of brutal. Perhaps it not this mod doing it but something is behaving fishy. Also had a bunch of grizzlies try and maul me at the inn.
That sounds like something related to a quest.
Post by: wobbly on January 29, 2021, 07:21:47 pm
-Added measures to keep Wilderness Encounters from happening on loading a save.
Certainly both times it happened straight after I loaded a save. Anyway a massive slow down vanished when I disabled the mod, so I'll just play without.
Post by: Iduno on January 30, 2021, 07:08:04 pm
I suspect it was something to do with this:
-Added measures to keep Wilderness Encounters from happening on loading a save.
Certainly both times it happened straight after I loaded a save. Anyway a massive slow down vanished when I disabled the mod, so I'll just play without.
Yeah, mods can get weird if they're for an older version. I had a very nice autosave mod, until something changed the z-axis, meaning any save I loaded I started below ground, and fell forever.
Post by: Robsoie on January 31, 2021, 03:16:58 am
Falling through the ground and the void is one of the most famous bug of the original Daggerfall though :D
It was a reason in itself to always learn the recall spell and always put a recall anchor outside the dungeon you entered.
Post by: Robsoie on February 08, 2021, 05:38:36 am
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?p=52338#p52338
Post by: Vorbicon on February 08, 2021, 10:09:23 pm
Post by: Iduno on February 12, 2021, 07:30:36 pm
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Second time in a story dungeon I've been permanently trapped, but at least this one is more my fault than the game's. Last time it was because the recall spell anchor is not reusable for some reason, and sometimes just disappears.
Edit: console commands solved the problem, but it's still a good thing to be aware of. Same reason the guard in Castle Daggerfall warns you not to use spells inside.
Post by: Iduno on February 25, 2021, 03:50:28 pm
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I like most of the game, but dungeons were not the strong point.
Post by: Robsoie on February 28, 2021, 08:19:52 am
That's probably why i was super happy to learn DFU had implemented this optional smaller dungeon feature, that made to me dungeon crawling fun again because while they were still big enough, they never felt never ending repeated tiles anymore like it was unfortunately back in the days .
(the option does nothing for storyline constructed dungeons by the way, it's only for the thousand of random dungeons that non storyline quests will use)
Anyways, the warm ashes addon author has been hard at work with lots of projects
https://forums.dfworkshop.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3974
(and probably why Warm Ashes didn't got updated as often as before as it seems all those projects will very likely merge one day into a giant feature packed super upgraded Warm Ashes).
His last work is on some rather amazing banditry system.
Here a farm getting raided by a bandit group, with farms guards fighting them out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NrYD5ZEKbI
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When a player enters a farm there is a chance that farm is to be raided. Depending on reputation, your side will be dependent on how the region sees you. If you are a known criminal, you will be with the bandit forces.
You do not have to participate in these raids, however they will continue without you. Do your business and get the hell out, or you might find the Farm you are at fall to ruin. You'll be updated periodically if a set of units are depleted. If all of the farm guardsmen have been killed, the raid ends and the farm will be destroyed. (Not permanently) If the bandits are taken out first then the farm will be saved. Right now I am in the process of writing a quest to reward the player and give text according to what is happening. I'm also adding random chances of other types of raids like orc raids and giant raids but they will be smaller events and not well organized as the bandits will be.
Post by: Mathel on March 15, 2021, 02:52:13 pm
Walls are only opaque from the corridors and spells and arrows can mostly pass into the corridors and not out. So a magician can just levitate around the dungeon and find the goal that way.
To get back in, find a slope and levitate into it from below.
I did that a lot.
Post by: Robsoie on March 16, 2021, 01:45:50 pm
Thinking about it, i never managed to fall into the void in Daggerfall Unity, maybe that's a bug they definitively fixed.
Post by: Iduno on March 16, 2021, 02:23:48 pm
I also didn't manage to get through the walls in a slope, but I did when I got stuck behind some furniture and tried the stand/crouch thing to escape. Luckily I had a levitation spell and was able to find a hallway or something where I could get back to the dungeon.
Post by: Robsoie on June 09, 2022, 11:12:05 am
Was sad to notice 2 mods i used to like were abandonned (Warm Ashes and Villager Immersion Overhaul) but a lot of new mods also popped up, one named Vanilla Enhanced has a massive amount of village and bandit visual variety that could replace the villager immerision overhaul nicely, though it has several other mods incompatibilities.
Noticed an interesting project, World of Daggerfall that rework the mostly empty wilderness by adding tons of stuff in it :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_5Xi9FiZAA
And another mod named Power Struggle that has a lot of potential as it translate in actual ingame events the many flavor messages the game used to show sometime but that unfortunately had no impact at gameplay.
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Even unmodded, the game keeps track of wars, alliances, famines, plagues and even witch hunts, but doesn't actually use these data... until now.
FEATURES:
- wars: the enemy army will clash with the locals', prisoners will be will be executed;
- banned factions: guards will hunt down their members (this may include you);
- plagues: rats will rule the place, bodies will be gethered in stacks and burned;
- witch hunts: ashes of the burned witches; random chance that witches will attack the town;
- crime waves: thieves and assassins even in daylight (and they may help you if you belong to their faction).
Post by: Chaosegg on June 28, 2022, 06:32:36 pm
Really enjoy that they're getting close to making it as good as modded Morrowind.
Plenty of modders on the forum that seem to have the same priorities as myself (ironman/realism type options, like Skyrim overhaul "Requiem"which i can't play Skyrim without now, or the various Morrowind mods I won't play without either).
I haven't updated in many months, but i have a stable modded game I'm enjoying right now.
I've modded things like the graphics, adding airships & some realism options like need for clothing/weather+food,
and as many of the "unlevel the game aspect x, y and z" mods as I can get to run at once.
Good play experiences, fun characters created using mods from people like: (search their names on Nexus eh)
Ralzar
Jay
Hazelnut
Kab
Meritamas
Kingofworms (DREAM)
Post by: Robsoie on June 29, 2022, 03:55:26 am
There's a very configurable minimap addon too :
https://www.nexusmods.com/daggerfallunity/mods/233
Post by: Chaosegg on October 19, 2022, 08:14:08 pm
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall_Mod:Daggerfall_Unity/Console
you can also just open the console in game and type help then scroll through the list of commands, though the link has descriptions of them that make it a little bit easier to learn.
I don't think of it as cheating to sometimes use the console for some things in Daggerfall...
since many of the randomly created dungeons are actually impossible to do certain things in.
(like explore/loot everything, or even find the quest item sometimes. There's an archealogists' guild mod that adds some stuff to help with that sort of thing i think, and i am using that mod, but i still find that i will only spend so many hours searching for something before i'm just like okay `tele2qmarker
But i tend to choose my quests carefully and save/restore rather than "console cheat" maybe half the time,
so the main one i use on occasion is just:
"teleport" [to target of your cursor dot which represents the middle of where you are looking]
more PRO TIPS for DF:Unity
1) Save often, save a lot. Save before you do almost anything of consequence.
2) Try not to forget to set up your teleport-to spot somewhere useful (like near where you need to turn in a quest, so you can take more time doing the ones with shorter time limits...
which i have found is much more difficult with the mods i have running that wear out my endurance heavily
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A. The food/sleep need can actually kill you if your endurance runs out enough that you start taking hp damage , so you do need to plan a little bit of how you are going to rest... there's camping gear to setup a fire to sleep-well-at (you can use almost any fireplace to get good sleep at as long as it's legal there and no monsters, but you can also sleep with no fire or camping gear and get "enough" sleep).
B. inns are great,
C. Spells, of course, can also convert mana into endurance. (i almost always take the highest intx3 mana character build perk available since it's kind of like why not... the game is bare bones enough without plenty of magic imo.)
D. Food/drink of different types helps you not lose endurance so fast and even gives a small boost, so there's actually a point to paying different amounts for the massive variety of different food items offered at different inns!
D1. Starting with the 1-2 gold cows milk or 3 gold berry juice, 4 gold tea, ale etc, and then 2 gold gruel for breakfast, 1-2 gold for leftovers at the right times of day, but more often things like 6-20+ gold for a nice meal of stuff like sausage, rabbit, stew and other yummy local dishes that seem to change based on general area/nation.
Post by: Robsoie on December 31, 2023, 10:18:15 am
https://www.dfworkshop.net/daggerfall-unity-1-0-release/