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Title: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 11:04:09 am
It was a peaceful, happy town.  A town where all those who had been shunned by their communities could go.  There they didn't have to hear "You'll be useless if the dopps attack, get out" or "If the mafia comes, you're dead meat".  There, everyone had a handicap.  There, everyone was equal.

So a depressing sense of inevitability was felt when they found Generic NPC 1 murdered on what they had decided to call "Night 0", for some reason.  "Perhaps if we didn't try and number off our nights and days like this this wouldn't happen?" suggested someone, but noone was listening.  They were two busy drawing up plans for the next day, and forming a battle plan against the enemy within...


Welcome to Horrible Role Mafia.  The roles in this game are diverse, but they all have one thing in common: You'd much rather have the vanilla version of your role than the one you get.  All roles have some form of handicap, and this handicap can manifest itself in a wide variety of ways.  You will have to work around your problems and exploit the weaknesses of your enemies to win.

All roles in the setup will be unknown.  Possible alignments are Town, Mafia, Jester, Serial Killer and Survivor.  I have written up a game for 12 players (many thanks to webadict for help with balancing the setup) but can run it with more or less in necessary.

Signups are now closed.

Signups (7/12 alive):
ToonyMan - Substitute - Lynched day 1
Pandarsenic
Vector - (Mostly) Reformed Psychopath - Shot night 1
Apostolic Nihilist - Sonambulist - Chopped apart night 1
RedWarrior0 - Suicidal Music Loving Suvivor - Self-defenstrated night 1
Nirur Torir - ??? - Shot night 2
Eduren
ExKirby - Dakarian
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

Revealed roles (4):
Quote from: Substitute
Hahahaha.  Did you really think all roles would be negative?  It was a lie!!  You have the only positive role in the game!

Every time someone dies, you will go to their grave automatically and steal any and all abilities they have.  All the abilities you steal will stack together!  You will even be able to use multiple abilities per night!  AHAHAHA!  You'll soon be UNSTOPPABLE!

Your role pm will be updated every time you (automatically) rob a grave.

You cannot steal group abilities.
Quote from: (Mostly) Reformed Psychopath
You've always had a horrible and crippling ailment resulting in frequent mass murdering sprees, but recently you've been seeing a psychologist and have got better.  Well, slightly.  You still get occasional urges, y'see...

Every night you MUST choose someone to target.  If they are town, they will die.  If they are not town, they will not die.
Quote from: Sonambulist
Every night you will visit a random players house and disturb their sleep.  You feel terrible about this though, and you will need to send them a letter personally apologising for waking them up on the next night.

You have to work out who you visited and send their name to me by the next night or you will kill yourself.
Quote from: Suicidal Music Loving Survivor
You will attempt to kill yourself every night unless you can send me the name of a song in another player's role pm (the player can be alive or dead).  If you do this successfully, you will be too busy singing the song and dancing to it to kill yourself.

You cannot send in the same song twice and you cannot use [REDACTED] :P.

One more hint: The only thing all these songs have in common is that I've heard them before.  Good luck.

Rules:


No private communication except on the Mafia quicktopic
Tie results in No Lynch
Players will roleflip rolename + alignment + abilities on death
Days last 4 days (weekend counts for nothing) with possibilities of extensions and shortenings if over half of the town is agreed - note that this deadline system is not meant to be abused
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 12:38:04 pm
Oh good, so this is just in the discussion phase.  I can't join until many of these other games finish off. 

sidenote: Generic NPC 1 ftw.  I would claim that for the next BYOR mafia if I wasn't afraid I'd get a Vanilla townie role.

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 12:58:23 pm
Hehe, thanks...

Flavour text should be interesting, if a bit odd.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Jim Groovester on November 23, 2009, 01:06:42 pm
This should be interesting and entertaining, at the least.

I suppose it will be things like "Naive cop" or "Quack Doctor" then? Will the mafia also be equally incompetent? Like a roleblocker who makes the person he's targeting always succeed?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 01:08:55 pm
Well, Naive Cop is actually basically a townie, so it won't be in the game since everyone has negative roles :D.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 01:19:20 pm
Trick with the sanity issues is that they only work because theres a chance of a positive role (i.e. a cop wondering if they are sane or Naive).

Nonvoter, Passive War Vet, and Skulker would fit.  Radiant is pretty painful too.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 01:22:29 pm
War Vet is probably mostly positive, if you think about it.  I mean, yeah, you could kill off random pro town roles, but the chance of this is low in a game with no positive roles at all ;D.

Same goes for roleblockers - if everyone's ability is negative, what are they gonna block?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 02:05:31 pm
What we need, then, is a list of roles that ARE negative.

Radiant
Skulker
Paranoid War Vet
NonVoter
Dirty Bomber I think
Twin

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 02:07:46 pm
They'd mainly be "Roles I made up"...

Although I'll tell you that some roles will involve forced actions.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 02:37:53 pm
Dear god, let there be no Cookie (see Zai's BYOR role in my version for Cookie).
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2009, 02:48:13 pm
!xmafia in

Shit, I'm in.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Pandarsenic on November 23, 2009, 03:05:49 pm
Naturally, I'm in.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on November 23, 2009, 03:07:34 pm
Yeah, definitely in.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on November 23, 2009, 03:15:29 pm
Promise me there will be no cookies and I will be in.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 04:20:29 pm
There will be no roles that force players or encourage players to lurk.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 04:49:35 pm
Will there be roles that force players to post and avoid lurking?

(imagines a 24h post or die requirement )
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on November 23, 2009, 04:50:11 pm
I'm not ruling it out.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ToonyMan on November 23, 2009, 04:54:17 pm
Will there be roles that force players to post and avoid lurking?

(imagines a 24h post or die requirement )
I'm not ruling it out.

Hacks the role to Org.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Zai on November 23, 2009, 05:26:04 pm
In this shindig.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 08:02:36 pm
Don't bother.  Org can handle a 24h restriction better than a good few other players.

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: CobaltKobold on November 23, 2009, 08:24:27 pm
What we need, then, is a list of roles that ARE negative.

Radiant
how is radiant negative
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Mr.Person on November 23, 2009, 09:20:18 pm
What we need, then, is a list of roles that ARE negative.

Radiant
how is radiant negative

"Here, have a second mafiakill!"
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: CobaltKobold on November 23, 2009, 09:34:29 pm
"Here, have a second protect!"
"Here, have a second inspect!"
"Here, have a second roleblo-
waitaminute

They're certainly better than Sibs, though.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: dakarian on November 23, 2009, 09:41:47 pm
better than sibs, but still, the sheer fact that they radiate the mafiakill when they die makes them ugly, especially at mylo
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Mr.Person on November 23, 2009, 11:10:09 pm
"Here, have a second RANDOM protect"
"Here, have a second RANDOM roleblock"
"Here, have an additional random vigilante kill you didn't want"
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on January 07, 2010, 12:18:46 pm
Ok, signups are open, I guess.  It'll start... well, whenever there's space on the queue.  Doesn't have to be too soon.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on January 07, 2010, 12:21:33 pm
Hah.

In.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on January 07, 2010, 05:28:48 pm
In!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 07, 2010, 06:12:57 pm
I like games with confusing roles. And,
No, I did not write this post so that it reads "IN" vertically.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 07, 2010, 06:45:34 pm
I won't post that I want in.
I won't post that I ... aw, I just did it, didn't I?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Halmie on January 10, 2010, 09:23:59 am
In!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on January 10, 2010, 11:39:28 am
You're all in.

Also, Vector, what's up with the avatar?  Is that roe sushi of some kind?

And the roles aren't necessarily confusing, just horrible.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 10, 2010, 11:49:11 am
It is some sort of sushi.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Mr.Person on January 10, 2010, 02:52:02 pm
You're all in.

Also, Vector, what's up with the avatar?  Is that roe sushi of some kind?

And the roles aren't necessarily confusing, just horrible.

For some reason, I thought it was that Nintendo 64 Expansion Cartridge when I first saw it.

Not in, but watching the thread.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on January 10, 2010, 05:37:59 pm
Also, Vector, what's up with the avatar?  Is that roe sushi of some kind?

Yup, it's ikurazushi--sea urchin eggs.  It seemed to follow naturally from the last egg picture, so I put it up.  Also, my family is a bit sushi-crazy, though we're all vegetarians... so I've never actually had roe sushi >_>  I just have to look at it and wonder.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Eduren on January 10, 2010, 08:45:45 pm
Sounds fun.

In.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on January 11, 2010, 11:32:45 am
Also, Vector, what's up with the avatar?  Is that roe sushi of some kind?

Yup, it's ikurazushi--sea urchin eggs.  It seemed to follow naturally from the last egg picture, so I put it up.  Also, my family is a bit sushi-crazy, though we're all vegetarians... so I've never actually had roe sushi >_>  I just have to look at it and wonder.
Roe sushi would still be fish eggs, I think.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on January 11, 2010, 01:29:14 pm
Re-In.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on January 11, 2010, 02:04:32 pm
Also, Vector, what's up with the avatar?  Is that roe sushi of some kind?

Yup, it's ikurazushi--sea urchin eggs.  It seemed to follow naturally from the last egg picture, so I put it up.  Also, my family is a bit sushi-crazy, though we're all vegetarians... so I've never actually had roe sushi >_>  I just have to look at it and wonder.
Roe sushi would still be fish eggs, I think.

DAMMIT

Eggs are not fish.  How in the hell do I manage to keep screwing that up?  Er, anyway.  I'm not sure why I've never tried ikurazushi, then.  Now I have no excuse.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on January 12, 2010, 02:39:12 am
Good for you.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on January 12, 2010, 07:47:04 am
Eggs are not fish.  How in the hell do I manage to keep screwing that up?  Er, anyway.  I'm not sure why I've never tried ikurazushi, then.  Now I have no excuse.
Depends on whether you eat chicken eggs, I guess.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on January 12, 2010, 01:50:20 pm
Good for you.

Not really.  My excuse to abstain from eating raw eggs is gone.  Kinda sucks.

Eggs are not fish.  How in the hell do I manage to keep screwing that up?  Er, anyway.  I'm not sure why I've never tried ikurazushi, then.  Now I have no excuse.
Depends on whether you eat chicken eggs, I guess.

I do, but we're vegetarians of the "eat lightly steamed vegetables, beans, and rice" sort--so my tolerance for dairy products isn't too high.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on January 12, 2010, 02:11:40 pm
Good for you.

Not really.  My excuse to abstain from eating raw eggs is gone.  Kinda sucks.
It's somewhat better than it sounds :P.
Quote from: Vector
Eggs are not fish.  How in the hell do I manage to keep screwing that up?  Er, anyway.  I'm not sure why I've never tried ikurazushi, then.  Now I have no excuse.
Depends on whether you eat chicken eggs, I guess.

I do, but we're vegetarians of the "eat lightly steamed vegetables, beans, and rice" sort--so my tolerance for dairy products isn't too high.
It's not dairy, you should be fine.  Actually, the majority of Japanese people are lactose intolerent anyway, so such cuisine is unlikely to contain much milk.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on January 12, 2010, 02:13:44 pm
Clever.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on January 15, 2010, 02:12:34 am
Just 3 more.  Can I convince anyone else to join?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on January 15, 2010, 02:31:03 am
Do I need to rejoin?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on January 15, 2010, 02:34:40 am
Do I need to rejoin?

Looks like it, based on the player list in the OP.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on January 15, 2010, 02:36:34 am
IN.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Halmie on January 15, 2010, 02:37:08 am
Sorry, I'm out.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: ExKirby on January 15, 2010, 02:44:23 am
DUN DUN DUN.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Zai on January 15, 2010, 07:17:12 pm
Out as well.

I signed up almost two months ago. Things change.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Mephansteras on January 19, 2010, 02:51:26 pm
I'll join. I'm not in any other mafias right now.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 20, 2010, 02:34:56 am
Quote
Welcome to Horrible Role Mafia.  The roles in this game are diverse, but they all have one thing in common: You'd much rather have the vanilla version of your role than the one you get.  All roles have some form of handicap, and this handicap can manifest itself in a wide variety of ways.  You will have to work around your problems and exploit the weaknesses of your enemies to win.
It sounds like radiant is not an option.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: webadict on January 20, 2010, 12:23:30 pm
I'd join, but I know the roles. You guys should play, it's fairy well made.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: dakarian on January 20, 2010, 12:33:15 pm
very well.  I'm in, though I'm worried I'm stretching myself thin.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Kashyyk on January 20, 2010, 12:51:23 pm
If there is space I'm in too.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Vector on January 20, 2010, 02:08:03 pm
Just.... One... More!!  Come on, dudes.  Let's get this shindig up and running!

(Leafsnail, Meph is double-listed, so it should be 11/12 right now)
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on January 20, 2010, 02:43:14 pm
Just.... One... More!!  Come on, dudes.  Let's get this shindig up and running!

(Leafsnail, Meph is double-listed, so it should be 11/12 right now)
Damnit Vector!  You revealed the special role that gets two pms and has to have both a town win and a mafia win!

Yeah, one more needed.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 20, 2010, 02:57:17 pm
"You are a pro-town Mafioso Jester. You win when you are lynched if the town and mafia both win."

Player: ._.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 20, 2010, 02:59:11 pm
Happily ever after could count as a double win, and if you are lynched beforehand...
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Leafsnail on January 20, 2010, 03:00:08 pm
Just a note - I'm not gonna screw anyone's win condition like that.  All win conditions are Town, Mafia, Jester, Serial Killer or Survivor.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 20, 2010, 03:07:29 pm
Just a note - I'm not gonna screw anyone's win condition like that.  All win conditions are Town, Mafia, Jester, Serial Killer or Survivor.

I was about to preserve this so you couldn't delete it to screw us over before I remembered this is not a bastard mod.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 20, 2010, 04:07:28 pm
in, I guess c'mooon radiant jester
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Leafsnail on January 20, 2010, 04:16:37 pm
Well, that's everyone.  Players, please post to confirm your availability while I assign roles and make my notes slightly less incomprehensible.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 20, 2010, 04:17:36 pm
Must I? *scribbles on notes*
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Mephansteras on January 20, 2010, 04:19:11 pm
Ready to start when you are.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Kashyyk on January 20, 2010, 04:26:37 pm
I only just joined, so I guess I'm still available...  ;)
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 20, 2010, 04:32:36 pm
Still in.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: dakarian on January 20, 2010, 04:34:21 pm
rein
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 20, 2010, 04:36:07 pm
*reign*
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: ToonyMan on January 20, 2010, 04:38:56 pm
/confirm
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 20, 2010, 05:03:52 pm
I can't think of a witty way to confirm that I'm in.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Eduren on January 20, 2010, 07:07:36 pm
"Make it so."
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 20, 2010, 07:11:24 pm
8/12

Pandarsenic
Vector
Apostolic Nihilist
ExKirby
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 20, 2010, 08:20:28 pm
sineP
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on January 20, 2010, 08:51:27 pm
Ready.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Vector on January 20, 2010, 08:55:58 pm
ein + sin(n) - in
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: webadict on January 20, 2010, 09:57:46 pm
Spoiler Spectate me.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Zai on January 20, 2010, 11:15:40 pm
Spoiler Spectate me.
There are PMs for that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 20, 2010, 11:18:28 pm
that doesn't yield "new replies" watch
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Solifuge on January 20, 2010, 11:45:02 pm
Pity all the seats are taken. I'm looking to reclaim my honor in the Mafia Arena.

If we get an opening, or a lack-of-confirmation, mind giving me their seat?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 20, 2010, 11:53:05 pm
I'm sure we can open something in Day-suicidal Nonvoter seats. Other than that, word of mod.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: dakarian on January 21, 2010, 09:16:22 am
To be true, I'm actually worried that I'll be spread too thin.

If Solifuge wants in, she can have my seat. 
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: webadict on January 21, 2010, 09:25:58 am
To be true, I'm actually worried that I'll be spread too thin.

If Solifuge wants in, she can have my seat. 
Solifuge is a GIRL?!?!?!? Holy crap!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Solifuge on January 21, 2010, 12:27:38 pm
To be true, I'm actually worried that I'll be spread too thin.

If Solifuge wants in, she can have my seat. 
If you're 100% certain, I'd be happy to take you up on that.

Solifuge is a GIRL?!?!?!? Holy crap!

...in other news: Lol Internets. Details at 7.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: ExKirby on January 21, 2010, 12:28:50 pm
Set.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Leafsnail on January 21, 2010, 12:35:36 pm
Well, that's everyone.  The pms are written, now I just need to get the QTs made and the pms sent.

Solifuge - yes, you can replace dakarian if you want.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Leafsnail on January 21, 2010, 12:55:50 pm
Quick reminder of the game rules -

No private communication except on the Mafia quicktopic
Tie results in No Lynch
Players will roleflip name + alignment + abilities on death
Days last 4 days (weekend counts for nothing) with possibilities of extensions and shortenings if over half of the town is agreed - note that this deadline system is not meant to be abused
Spoiled spectating available, but you will not be allowed to post in Deadchat.  Also, you may have to wait a while, since my notes are spread across different documents
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: dakarian on January 21, 2010, 01:35:41 pm
Before the roles are sent.  Soli is replacing me before the game begins.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Leafsnail on January 22, 2010, 05:35:59 pm
Roles are being sent.  Opening flavour will be up when all roles are out.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day 1 Begins
Post by: Leafsnail on January 22, 2010, 06:04:54 pm
The mafia is rising.

You've never known exactly what this phrase is supposed to mean.  After all, the mafia were always there, and haven't really bothered you too much.  Most of you have thought of it is an insane but relatively harmless club.

However, now that they've killed Generic NPC 1, the gloves are off.  Generic NPC 1 was your beloved Mayor (even if he never seemed to do anything except sit there and look resigned).  And now, there is no doubt in any of your minds that the mafia must be brought to justice.  Well, except for those of you who actually are in the mafia, but this text tends to have a town aligned slant.


Not yet dead:
ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Vector
Apostolic Nihilist
RedWarrior0
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
dakarian
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

Deadline at roughly 10pm GMT+0, thursday.

If you have not received a role pm or are unclear about what your role does, please don't hesitate to send me a message.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 22, 2010, 06:07:40 pm
Also, I am setting up a quicktopic for those who want completely spoiled spectating.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 22, 2010, 06:11:05 pm
Vote Pandarsenic.

I checked him N0, he came up scum!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 22, 2010, 06:13:12 pm
ToonyMan, what kind of Horrible Role would let you check someone Night 0? I think you're scum trying to trick us!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 22, 2010, 06:37:15 pm
A suicidal precognitive cop?
My role is annoying, not horrible.
Apostolic Nihilist, you may be
scum. What horrible roles might the scum have?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 22, 2010, 06:44:28 pm
A suicidal precognitive cop?
My role is annoying, not horrible.
Apostolic Nihilist, you may be
scum. What horrible roles might the scum have?
Iambic pentameter?



Vector, come join us.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 22, 2010, 06:54:26 pm
Was going to ask, but
Welcome to Horrible Role Mafia.  The roles in this game are diverse, but they all have one thing in common: You'd much rather have the vanilla version of your role than the one you get.  All roles have some form of handicap, and this handicap can manifest itself in a wide variety of ways.  You will have to work around your problems and exploit the weaknesses of your enemies to win.
means Mafia has crappy roles too. Wonder what they are.

Kashyyk, no Chewie-squishing for you.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 22, 2010, 07:33:50 pm
Oh wow... that was definitely Pentameter coming from Nirur Torir, though there was no set meter  so it's technically not Iambic. I love this game already.

Hmm... perhaps Nirur Torir is in fact a murderous Macbeth? What say you, knave?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 22, 2010, 08:05:41 pm
I bite my thumb. Not at thee, but I do
Bite my thumb. It now hurts. Why'd I do that?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 22, 2010, 08:07:44 pm
CobaltKobold, why would Kashyyk squish Chewie? That's silly, he's a planet.
Solifuge, Nirur Torir would have to be speaking iambic pentameter for that to work, I think. Perhaps he's one of the witches? BEARDED WOMAN!?
Eduren, in addition to his not-quite-iambic pentameter, he appears to have claimed? Or is he suggesting Toony's role? Toony, I find your claim quite odd. Mainly since there wasn't a n0. Mephansteras, what do you think?

PPE
Nirur Torir: wut
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 22, 2010, 08:10:36 pm
You must be quivering in your socks Pandar.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 22, 2010, 08:11:36 pm
I already stated that his claim was odd.

Granted, it's really just random voting.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 22, 2010, 08:13:02 pm
HA! I HAVE YOU NOW!

I'M NOT WEARING SOCKS! HA HAR!

Quote from: Players (Strike = Posted)
ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Vector
Apostolic Nihilist
RedWarrior0
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
dakarian
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

Has anyone else noticed Solifuge is notably absent from our "12/12 players"?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 22, 2010, 08:21:19 pm
Oh wow... that was definitely Pentameter coming from Nirur Torir, though there was no set meter  so it's technically not Iambic. I love this game already.

Hmm... perhaps Nirur Torir is in fact a murderous Macbeth? What say you, knave?
It's not necessarily pentameter then as meters are variable-length.

Pandarsenic: OK, so Chewbacca is squished by a moon. Close enough. And mod/dakarian said Solifuge was replacing Dak, so it's probably merely an error.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 22, 2010, 08:22:05 pm
No, that was a fake guess at what sort of role would be horrible yet have a Night 0 action.
The Pentameter isn't really my role, unfortunately. When I signed up, I decided to try it for my first post for no apparent reason. I'll drop it.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 22, 2010, 08:23:54 pm
Quote from: Players (Strike = Posted)
ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Vector
Apostolic Nihilist
RedWarrior0
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

So like that?

When did that replace happen, anyway?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 22, 2010, 08:24:48 pm
Before game started, Pandarsenic.
No, that was a fake guess at what sort of role would be horrible yet have a Night 0 action.
The timing's wrong.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 22, 2010, 08:58:07 pm
The Pentameter isn't really my role, unfortunately. When I signed up, I decided to try it for my first post for no apparent reason. I'll drop it.

Awww... but I liked it.  :-\

Also, RedWarrior0 where were you on the night before last? And the night before that? Are you a villain? Are you even here?!?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 23, 2010, 05:40:54 am
Of course I'm not a bad guy. Those two nights I was lost. And yes, I'm here.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 23, 2010, 07:31:41 am
Guys, I am going to RC now. I'm a Voodoo Medium. No, not the good kind. If we're outside 48h on the deadline, every dead Mafia member sends me a PM. I must then post it with no quotes or edits.

@Mod, am I allowed to say who's PM it was?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 23, 2010, 08:28:31 am
Quote from: Players (Strike = Posted)
ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Vector
Apostolic Nihilist
RedWarrior0
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

So like that?

When did that replace happen, anyway?
[/quote]

Most players are here - Vector, AN, and Kashyyk remain absent.

ExKirby, why are you claiming now? We don't even have dead Mafia members yet.
... Wait, I see. You're supposed to act like it's you saying what the Mafia want you to say but you're claiming in advance to avoid that problem?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 23, 2010, 09:47:23 am
No, I'm being honest. I guess the only way to prove it is to lynch some scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 23, 2010, 10:08:51 am
How about lynching you?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 23, 2010, 11:03:10 am
Well, the title has lived up to it's name with my role at least.
Pandarsenic: OK, so Chewbacca is squished by a moon. Close enough.

Since when did Chewie get squished by a moon?

Spoiler: That's no moon... (click to show/hide)
It had to be done.

Anyway, AN where are you?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 23, 2010, 01:05:40 pm
Red... really. Ok, let's look at this a different way-when we lynch scum, if I make a post that doesn't sound like mine, it's a scum's. And beside, there's no real scum/town meta for me... is there?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 23, 2010, 02:00:52 pm
So you say whatever the scum says at the beginning of the day?

Sounds easy enough to explain.  I don't know why you're disagreeing with Pandarsenic in it.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 23, 2010, 02:10:13 pm
Yeah...ExKirby is acting a little strange about this.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 23, 2010, 04:42:03 pm
My role truly is horrible. Anybody else have music referred to in their role PM?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 23, 2010, 04:54:37 pm
My role truly is horrible. Anybody else have music referred to in their role PM?

Yes, I do.  Sorry for not showing up for so long... I kept forgetting I hadn't posted here.

Mephansteras, how many scum do you think there are?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 23, 2010, 05:04:10 pm
What's this?  A votecount?  Man, you never expected mob rule to be this carefully organized.  You begin to wonder why you even bothered having a Mayor in the first place.
Quote
Pandarsenic: ToonyMan
ToonyMan: Mephansteras
Apostolic Nihilist: Nirur Torir, Kashyyk
Vector: Eduren
Kashyyk: CobaltKobold
Mephansteras: Pandarsenic, Vector
RedWarrior0: Solifuge
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 23, 2010, 06:08:11 pm
I suspect Christopher Lloyd did a better job at this role than I. It's still quite awesome though.

Also, Unvote RedWarrior0. Glad of you to join us!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 23, 2010, 07:09:35 pm
Yeah...ExKirby is acting a little strange about this.
This sounds like something he would do as town. Overly cautious and explanatory.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 23, 2010, 08:14:18 pm
Well, the title has lived up to it's name with my role at least.
Pandarsenic: OK, so Chewbacca is squished by a moon. Close enough.

Since when did Chewie get squished by a moon?

Spoiler: That's no moon... (click to show/hide)
It had to be done.

Anyway, AN where are you?
Quote
The 1999 novel Vector Prime by R. A. Salvatore (the first in the New Jedi Order series) marks Chewbacca's last chronological appearance in the Star Wars universe. Chewbacca sacrifices his life to save Han's son Anakin from a collision between the planet Sernpidal and one of its moons.
Sounds like someone'strying to shift blame, Kashyyk.

Leafsnail: no numerics in the votecount?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 23, 2010, 08:15:04 pm
Leafsnail: no numerics in the votecount?
Due to vote related abilities, no.  Although I could just put the number of people who appear to be voting, I guess.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on January 23, 2010, 08:27:14 pm
So, should we claim if we have some sort of hideously anti-town role?
A suicidal precognitive cop?
My role is annoying, not horrible.
Apostolic Nihilist, you may be
scum. What horrible roles might the scum have?
Roles that reward them for doing something anti-town, maybe? Kill magnets/inspect magnets? Whatever they are, they're likely horrendous.

I'm going to apologize right now for not posting, and I probably won't be able to post again until tomorrow (20 hours from now, let's say). I'm on a bit of a tight schedule at the moment.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 23, 2010, 08:30:41 pm
Unvote. AN, you have annoyed me by ignoring me. Ninjaed.

Eduran, why has nobody voted for you yet?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 23, 2010, 08:35:21 pm
Leafsnail: no numerics in the votecount?
Due to vote related abilities, no.  Although I could just put the number of people who appear to be voting, I guess.
Hee! It was purposeful. Information++.

No, that was why I was asking. Does mean Bastard Votecount though.

AN: Don't claim if claiming helps scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 23, 2010, 08:42:53 pm
Unvote. AN, you have annoyed me by ignoring me. Ninjaed.

Eduran, why has nobody voted for you yet?
Why don't you ask them, Nirar Torar?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 23, 2010, 08:45:32 pm
So, should we claim if we have some sort of hideously anti-town role?
I was thinking about it, but no. If we get bogged down in lynching townies who want to be lynched because they're anti-town, we won't be focusing on trying to get scum.

Unvote. AN, you have annoyed me by ignoring me. Ninjaed.

Eduran, why has nobody voted for you yet?
Why don't you ask them, Nirar Torar?
I was asking you, not them. Why are you questioning Nirar Torar, who's not even playing?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 23, 2010, 08:56:55 pm
Unvote. AN, you have annoyed me by ignoring me. Ninjaed.

Eduran, why has nobody voted for you yet?
Why don't you ask them, Nirar Torar?
I was asking you, not them. Why are you questioning Nirar Torar, who's not even playing?
Why are you voting Eduran, who's not even playing?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 23, 2010, 09:07:29 pm
Headache. My apologies.
Unvote Eduran. Vote Eduren. Can we start over, you and me? I feel we got off on the wrong foot.

Which scumteam would you most fear in this game, of the current players?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 23, 2010, 09:16:20 pm
Headache. My apologies.
Unvote Eduran. Vote Eduren. Can we start over, you and me? I feel we got off on the wrong foot.

Which scumteam would you most fear in this game, of the current players?
Sure, I was just messing with you anyway.

Well, assuming 3scum, I'd have to say Pandarsenic, Redwarrior, Mephansteras. Pandar because he is a good scum player, Redwarrior because nobody pays attention to him, and Mephansteras because he seems able to slip out of sticky situations. Plus, all three of those have a "sidelining" meta that makes them really hard to read.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Cheddarius on January 23, 2010, 11:15:15 pm
Watching.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 24, 2010, 04:26:31 am
Headache. My apologies.
Unvote Eduran. Vote Eduren. Can we start over, you and me? I feel we got off on the wrong foot.

Which scumteam would you most fear in this game, of the current players?
Sure, I was just messing with you anyway.

Well, assuming 3scum, I'd have to say Pandarsenic, Redwarrior, Mephansteras. Pandar because he is a good scum player, Redwarrior because nobody pays attention to him, and Mephansteras because he seems able to slip out of sticky situations. Plus, all three of those have a "sidelining" meta that makes them really hard to read.
And I don't really have a scum/town meta.

To get some more discussion going, Nirur, what is the most horrible role that Leaf can use without breaking the game?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 24, 2010, 08:33:42 am
Worst role? I'm not sure, and only have a few minutes to post this. That Voodoo one would be pretty bad if it wasn't allowed to roleclaim, assuming that the player was being truthful.

I won't be on again until tonight. Anyone may feel free to question me further, of course, but no using "waiting for Nirur" as an excuse to lurk.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 24, 2010, 09:19:28 am
ExKirby, you have a meta dude.

Cautious and scummy.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 24, 2010, 09:55:51 am
He was saying his meta doesn't differ between town and scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 24, 2010, 10:34:55 am
That's very helpful.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 24, 2010, 12:10:46 pm
Mephansteras, how many scum do you think there are?

Hmmm, without any info in the OP or starting set-up, I'd have to guess 3. 25% is pretty standard for town-scum ratio. But I admit, it's interesting that we haven't been told.

Could we actually have 4, with Mafia having *really* bad abilities?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 24, 2010, 12:15:22 pm
Actually, why don't we just ask the mod? This isn't a bastard game, after all.

@Mod: How many scum are there?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 24, 2010, 12:55:48 pm
Worst role? I'm not sure, and only have a few minutes to post this. That Voodoo one would be pretty bad if it wasn't allowed to roleclaim, assuming that the player was being truthful.

I won't be on again until tonight. Anyone may feel free to question me further, of course, but no using "waiting for Nirur" as an excuse to lurk.
That's the whole point of my RC. To stop posts from scum making us look like scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 24, 2010, 02:37:32 pm
Actually, why don't we just ask the mod? This isn't a bastard game, after all.

@Mod: How many scum are there?
Can't comment on the number of scum, but there are three mafia members.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 24, 2010, 07:51:54 pm
Fair enough.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 24, 2010, 08:39:50 pm
Ergo nonmafia scum moderately likely.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 25, 2010, 03:07:37 am
Cobalt Kobold, what on earth do you mean?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 25, 2010, 04:11:53 am
Leafsnail's unwillingness to quantify scum means that scum other than mafia are definitely possible.

Kashyyk, who isare your scumpartners, ideally?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 25, 2010, 11:23:51 am
Cob, I think he meant that as a joke.

To try to restart dsicussion, Nirur. Who is the most random scumteam you can think of?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 25, 2010, 12:51:02 pm
erm, What?

I'm going to go with what I think you meant, which is 'Which three would be the most powerful as a scum team?' Correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree with [insert name here]'s comment about Panda and Mephansteras being good scum players. They are both skilled, I've never been able to get a proper read off of them and Mephansteras seems to have been taking a politics course recently. (Christmas Mafia)

The third Mafia would have to be someone who is able to hide under the radar effectively instead dancing around in the middle of it like the over two can. I'd suggest either Red or Nirur for that role.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 25, 2010, 02:06:15 pm
Erm... no. I meant Random.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2010, 02:17:25 pm
This thread is entirely too quiet. Where is everyone?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 25, 2010, 02:35:24 pm
Unvote.

Vote Meph for buddying.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2010, 02:37:30 pm
Unvote.

Vote Meph for buddying.

What?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 25, 2010, 02:48:22 pm
You are saying what others are saying and show no info about yourself.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2010, 02:52:44 pm
Ok, where are you getting that from? And how am I buddying with anyone?

All I've done so far is answer a question posed to me, which I then realized was better answered by the mod then wild guessing on my part.

I then ask where everyone is since we've only had a few posts in a short amount of time.

I haven't done all that much yet, granted. But, neither have you.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 25, 2010, 03:06:32 pm
You admit to doing nothing.  Lynch the scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2010, 03:10:26 pm
1) It's not *nothing*. I have gotten us the information that there are only 3 mafia members but that we may have 3rd party scum as well.

2) It's about as much as you've done.

Eager to lynch anyone at all, Toony?

Or maybe you already knew that there were 3 mafia, so you don't care at all about what I've accomplished.

Yeah...my vote stays where it is. Just because it was random doesn't mean it's wrong.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 25, 2010, 03:26:28 pm
Question, maybe maybe, not going to scum hunt.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 25, 2010, 04:58:59 pm
Unvote. Nirur, I'll talk later.

Toony, three choice words. WHAT. THE. FUCK. After being declared a buddyinst many times by Dak, and more recently GlyphGryph, I think I know what a buddy is. Meph wasn't budying, you're lying scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 25, 2010, 05:05:44 pm
Unvote. Nirur, I'll talk later.

Toony, three choice words. WHAT. THE. FUCK. After being declared a buddyinst many times by Dak, and more recently GlyphGryph, I think I know what a buddy is. Meph wasn't budying, you're lying scum.

Bandwagon.  You just restated what has happened.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 25, 2010, 05:14:20 pm
erm, What?

I'm going to go with what I think you meant, which is 'Which three would be the most powerful as a scum team?' Correct me if I'm wrong.
You're wrong. Assume you're scum. Who do you want on your team?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 25, 2010, 05:15:19 pm
(votecount?)
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 25, 2010, 05:21:09 pm
"No!" shouts a passing merchant, "I will never give you a votecount!"  Fortunately, he is wearing a sandwhich board, on which the votecount is written.
Quote from: The End is Nigh!  Also, these are the current votes
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk
Vector: Eduren
Kashyyk: CobaltKobold
Mephansteras: Pandarsenic, Vector, ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 25, 2010, 05:23:11 pm
Unvote. Nirur, I'll talk later.

Toony, three choice words. WHAT. THE. FUCK. After being declared a buddyinst many times by Dak, and more recently GlyphGryph, I think I know what a buddy is. Meph wasn't budying, you're lying scum.

Bandwagon.  You just restated what has happened.

Oh? So a second vote on you based on your actions is a 'bandwagon', yet your third vote on me isn't??

You're reaching, Toony. Really reaching.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 25, 2010, 05:32:28 pm
Let's do a textbook definition of "bandwagon"...

Quote
Adding onto a pile of votes on someone (usually the third), without showing any real consideration on what's going on.

So you're telling me I'm bandwagoning? Please. You're really pushing it, Toony.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 25, 2010, 05:48:25 pm
Hahah, you both even said the same thing in a row.

Yes, I voted you for the thrice vote, thanks for noticing.  I didn't even know how many people were voting you previously.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on January 25, 2010, 10:10:13 pm
ExKirby: Why so defensive?

You rallied to Mephansteras' side almost immediately. Suspect indeed.

Tell me who your least favorite scumbuddies would be. Make sure they're right.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 26, 2010, 10:02:54 am
To try to restart dsicussion, Nirur. Who is the most random scumteam you can think of?
Restarting the discussion with me while my computer's feigning death isn't the best plan, but it got batter, so here I am.

The most random three person scumteam here would be ToonyMan, Pandarsenic, and Vector. Since they are the first three on the list, the human brain would see it as statistically nearly-impossible unless the mod was pulling the strings.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 04:50:20 pm
To be true, I'm actually worried that I'll be spread too thin.

If Solifuge wants in, she can have my seat. 
Solifuge is a GIRL?!?!?!? Holy crap!

Why is it that dakarian always knows who's female before everyone else?  Is there some sort of female-league conspiracy going on, or something?

(Sonerage, CobaltKobold, DirtyBirdy, now Solifuge...)


In a more game-related note...

Sorry I've been gone for so long, dudes.  Someone I knew for 14 years just committed suicide, and I needed a bit of time to think it over.


How about lynching you?

RedWarrior0, I feel like you're searching for easy lynches.  Additionally, this sidelining thing is a bit much.  So, who do you think is scum, and why?


Eduren, you've been gone for a long time.  What do you think about the current situation?


Unvote.

Vote Meph for buddying.

You are saying what others are saying and show no info about yourself.

You admit to doing nothing.  Lynch the scum.

Okay... and for this.  ToonyMan, this is the most terrible reasoning I've seen in my life.  You're being hypocritical, ignoring claims made against you, and reaching far on little evidence.

So, for a question... Who do you think is town?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 04:56:51 pm
Sorry I've been gone for so long, dudes.  Someone I knew for 14 years just committed suicide, and I needed a bit of time to think it over.

Dude... :(
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 05:02:31 pm
No one is town to me except me.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 05:03:40 pm
No one is town to me except me.

Fine.  Who, other than Meph, is scum?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 05:04:41 pm
ExKirby.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 05:09:07 pm
ExKirby.

POR QUE?!??!?!??

No, seriously.  You're being as helpful as a legless kangaroo.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 05:11:14 pm
Why don't you try someone else?  I've stated my thoughts and voted who is scum.

Too tunneled?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 05:14:09 pm
Why don't you try someone else?  I've stated my thoughts and voted who is scum.

Too tunneled?

There's three people I'm interested in hearing from.  You are one of them, since your reasoning is truly horrendous.

If you end up being town, then yes... Meph and ExKirby are in fact quite suspicious.  But at the moment, you're saying pretty much nothing of note.  I'm trying to shake a read out of you, and you aren't being at all helpful with that endeavor.

So no, I'm not too tunneled.  I'm too interested in finding out if you're town or scum, and I need a larger text sample to figure that out.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 26, 2010, 05:18:13 pm
In a more game-related note...

Sorry I've been gone for so long, dudes. 
Hi vector. Why are you scum?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 05:19:18 pm
Unfortunately I doubt you'll get much from ExKirby.

I try to make my posts to the point, while I think "Dakarian posts" are cool and all they leave too much to take in.

Being unreadable is key to winning Mafia games Vector.  Town or Scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 05:21:07 pm
In a more game-related note...

Sorry I've been gone for so long, dudes. 
Hi vector. Why are you scum?

I'm not.  What makes you think I am?


I try to make my posts to the point, while I think "Dakarian posts" are cool and all they leave too much to take in.

Being unreadable is key to winning Mafia games Vector.  Town or Scum.

Perhaps.  At the same time, no matter how much we want to hide our true intentions, our words will always betray us.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 05:24:28 pm
I have nothing to hide.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 26, 2010, 05:37:49 pm
In a more game-related note...

Sorry I've been gone for so long, dudes. 
Hi vector. Why are you scum?

I'm not.  What makes you think I am?
That's a pretty bad answer to my question. Why should I think you're town?

Also, nobody's going to vote you now that you've explained your absence.
Unfortunately I doubt you'll get much from ExKirby.

I try to make my posts to the point, while I think "Dakarian posts" are cool and all they leave too much to take in.
You've never used them. At the same time, when you're town, you (have a history of) explaining yourself.

Quote from: Toonyman
Being unreadable is key to winning Mafia games Vector.  Town or Scum.
No, being "unreadable" is key to winning games as scum. Being 'readable' as town is superior to being unreadable, whether you're scum or town.
I have nothing to hide.
PPE: Congratu-*-lations, Toony. Adjacent, contradictory posts. Being unreadable is hiding your alignment. Now, you say you have nothing to hide. Town-toony is smarter than this...Toony-jester, I think.
Deadline at roughly 10pm GMT+0, thursday.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 05:43:11 pm
FoS are really scary.

I never use them, empty promises.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 26, 2010, 05:45:13 pm
I have nothing to hide.

Aloha. What do you show us with this?

PPE:
FoS are really scary.
I never use them, empty promises.
*Points at a certain ongoing game*
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 05:46:23 pm
Good god, people.  Don't vote me based on a stretch of silence, but do come vote me if you think I need voting.  I've made my peace and recovered, and any further absence is for unrelated reasons.

Yes, I'm serious about this.  It sounds ridiculous, but there you go.


Additionally, there is no good answer to that question, CK.  It's the quintessential reaction-testing question, and it's your job to decide whether or not my reaction is scummy or townish.  I can only answer with a particular styling of answer, not with anything definitive.

So, why you should think I'm town?  There's no reason in particular that you should.  I cannot point to a series of posts condemning someone who flipped scum; I cannot say "Hey, I've kicked the town back into action more times than I can count!"  It's burden of proof.  I wish I could give you a better answer, but I cannot.  The most I can do is provide more posts, in the hope that they will allow you to get a solid read on me.


FoS are really scary.
I never use them, empty promises.
*Points at a certain ongoing game*

Dude, don't talk about that here >_>  Different thread is different thread, doodabuddy.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Confirm Phase
Post by: Eduren on January 26, 2010, 05:55:01 pm
Eduren, you've been gone for a long time.  What do you think about the current situation?
Toony is definitely not acting himself. There are a few ways to explain this:

1. He's town and we are blowing this all out of proportion
2. He's a jester (Might be expected in a Horrible role game)
3. He is scum banking on the expected Jester

I believe number 3 because Toony is being way too blatant. If he were a real Jester the best course would have been subtlety. ObvJester is the perfect way to make sure you don't get lynched.

Of course I could be wrong, but its the best I got.

Toony
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 06:01:24 pm
Might as well claim now.
I'm a Substitute.  Funny this.
I am best at the beginning of the game and slowly start to suck, let me explain.

Day 1, I am a Vanilla Townie.  Whenever someone dies I GAIN THEIR POWER.
I can't imagine what lylo would be like.

Anyway, I feel the need to ask what the fuss is about.  I do this every Mafia game.  I am Town.  This all started happening after I voted Meph for buddying.  Then the votes start racking up.

Eduren, are you going to stop listening to others and vote independently without worry?  Because that's what I do.  I vote interdependently without worry and you're all wrong to vote me.

Seriously.  If I were pick scum out it would be Meph and Vector.  Eduren and ExKirby are just sheep.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 06:02:59 pm
Yes I know there's three scum.

The third scum is a lurker.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 06:08:00 pm
Anyway, I feel the need to ask what the fuss is about.  I do this every Mafia game.  I am Town.  This all started happening after I voted Meph for buddying.  Then the votes start racking up.

You really can't figure this out?

You vote me for 'buddying', which I didn't do. When I ask you how I was buddying, you then declare that I'm scum for 'not revealing anything about myself'. You then declare yourself town and that 'Being unreadable is key to winning Mafia games.  Town or Scum.'

You also complain about ExKirby 'bandwagoning' against you (on the second vote) even though he gave a good reason for his vote. It's like you're trying really hard to twist what other people are doing so you get an excuse to vote them.

You're being voted because you're not giving solid reasons for what you do, being hypocritical, and being generally unhelpful.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 26, 2010, 06:09:40 pm
I think it's reasonable to point out that he is provably lying. To avoid the meta-gaming conflict that arises, I'll use one which is completed:
CobaltKobold, Rashilul, ZChris, and Magmadeath are not voting.

I want those people to come in, except CobaltKobold, who appears to not have a vote?
and a few (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42348.msg813933#msg813933) more (http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=42373.msg801247#msg801247)

--eduren ties it up with #3--

Early claim, toony.

votecount bitte

Toony, why are you continuing to blatantly lie?
Eduren, are you going to stop listening to others and vote independently without worry?  Because that's what I do.  I vote interdependently without worry and you're all wrong to vote me.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 06:12:06 pm
Hah, I play every Mafia game I'm in different Cobalt.

It prevents meta claims.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 26, 2010, 06:12:29 pm
To be honest, you just sound wrong to me.  You're usually far more exuberant than this, lively and active, whatever.  You also usually don't try so hard to keep information to yourself.

Maybe it's a generalized personality shift.  Maybe something else is going on in your life, whatever.  In any case, you sound different to the Toony I'm used to, which disorients me, affects my reads, and...

Ninja'd by Meph.

Everything he said, plus what I said right here.



Additionally, Toony... buddying.  Buddying with eduren.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 06:15:02 pm
Well I have a cold so my voice is a little weak.

I need to fix what I did wrong here, I shouldn't be a lynch target, I never am Day 1.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 06:18:20 pm
Wait...so now we shouldn't lynch you day 1 because you never get lynched day 1??

Is that like how we shouldn't lynch you in Pandar's BYOR because you were constantly wrong?

You seem awfully eager not to die, Toony.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 26, 2010, 06:23:35 pm
Is that like how we shouldn't lynch you in Pandar's BYOR because you were constantly wrong?

You seem awfully eager not to die, Toony.
Well he just saved your neck, barring voting shenanigans that almost certainly exist.

Also. He was town that game, though strangely Pandarsenic has not corrected the deathmiller bit yet. That town was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo scummy it hurt.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 26, 2010, 06:25:06 pm
Okay, [olor=blue]Mephp/oclr], who's next scum to take down?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 26, 2010, 06:26:27 pm
Quote from: Because she asked for it
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby, Vector, Eduren
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk
Kashyyk: CobaltKobold
Mephansteras: Pandarsenic, ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
ExKirby: Apostolic Nihilist
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 06:26:57 pm
Also. He was town that game, though strangely Pandarsenic has not corrected the deathmiller bit yet. That town was sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo scummy it hurt.

Oh, I must have missed that fact.

Fake-edit:

Good question. I don't have any other major suspicions right now. Although ExKirby could have been buddying with me on the Toony thing (He did say almost the exact same thing as me, about 10 minutes after I posted).

No idea if that's intentional on his part or not.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 06:33:29 pm
I don't have any other major suspicions right now.

That's really helpful.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 26, 2010, 06:39:37 pm
Eduren, are you going to stop listening to others and vote independently without worry?  Because that's what I do.  I vote interdependently without worry and you're all wrong to vote me.
That was an independent vote. I know, from experience, that you are acting strange.

Seriously.  If I were pick scum out it would be Meph and Vector.  Eduren and ExKirby are just sheep.
So all the people voting you are either scum or stupid?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 06:51:51 pm
I have part to blame too, but I didn't have the will to say that a hour ago.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 26, 2010, 10:10:36 pm
I have part to blame too, but I didn't have the will to say that a hour ago.
What?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 10:11:29 pm
I was being stubborn.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 26, 2010, 10:19:21 pm
I was being stubborn.
And look where it got you.


If you want to "fix what you did wrong here", a good place to start is providing evidence against not only Meph, but now Vector.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 10:28:23 pm
No no, I was being stubborn about taking responsibility on why people voted me.

Do something useful Eduren, you're not my coach.  I've stated my reason, like I said earlier.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 26, 2010, 10:37:34 pm
No no, I was being stubborn about taking responsibility on why people voted me.

Do something useful Eduren, you're not my coach.  I've stated my reason, like I said earlier.
I am doing something useful, trying to make sure that I made the right vote!

You may have said a few things about Meph, but all that they amounted to was twisting his words and accusing him of doing nothing.

But you have not said a word about why vector is scum.

Now, you can take my advice and start explaining yourself, or get yourself killed. Your choice.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 10:51:10 pm
One Ring to rule them all.

I just think Vector is acting odd, nothing wrong with that.  Everyone else is voting me for the same reason.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 10:52:32 pm
You are awfully threatening to me and no one else.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 26, 2010, 10:56:26 pm
I know, sorry about that. You piss me off real easily. The "useless" comments I see every game get to me.

But I do honestly believe you are scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 26, 2010, 11:04:55 pm
So that's a policy lynch.
On the positive note, being dead now will save trouble later when I have STACKED negative abilities.

Let's go over why people are voting me, alright?

Meph:  Random Vote, sticking with it tunnel style.
ExKirby: Bandwagon, no reason.  Confused by my playstyle is my best guess.
Vector: Scum logic, acting odd.
Eduren: Bandwagon, policy lynch.

And Cobalt is giving me a thousand FoS.


I will only except Vector's vote, this is nonsense.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 26, 2010, 11:33:16 pm
I'm not just sticking with the random vote for no reason, Toony. I'm keeping my vote on you  because you made spurious accusations against me, refused to back them up, twisted the meaning of several normal scum-tells (bandwagoning and buddying) to apply them despite neither actually being done, and a lot of strange hypocritical nonsense.

You're actions are off, your explanations have been junk, and it's day 1 so there really isn't anything else for us to go off of. Do you really expect me to change my vote and go after someone else when you're the only one giving me reasons to vote?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 27, 2010, 12:28:11 am
So that's a policy lynch.
On the positive note, being dead now will save trouble later when I have STACKED negative abilities.

Let's go over why people are voting me, alright?

Meph:  Random Vote, sticking with it tunnel style.
ExKirby: Bandwagon, no reason.  Confused by my playstyle is my best guess.
Vector: Scum logic, acting odd.
Eduren: Bandwagon, policy lynch.

And Cobalt is giving me a thousand FoS.


I will only except Vector's vote, this is nonsense.
You misunderstand me. This is not a policy lynch. I have no problem with your normal playstyle. But you are acting differently, more scummy. That is why I voted you in the first place.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2010, 02:05:18 pm
I just think Vector is acting odd, nothing wrong with that.  Everyone else is voting me for the same reason.

First you say I'm scum, and then you say I'm just acting odd (and there's nothing wrong with that, hurhur).  That constitutes buddying--I think I remember this from NSBMI, no?

Then, we have this:

Meph:  Random Vote, sticking with it tunnel style.
ExKirby: Bandwagon, no reason.  Confused by my playstyle is my best guess.
Vector: Scum logic, acting odd.
Eduren: Bandwagon, policy lynch.

[...]

I will only except Vector's vote, this is nonsense.

First off, you sound a hell of a lot like Pandarsenic often does (where on earth is he, by the way?)--he tends to say "None of you are providing reasons for your votes but Vector!!"  That little amusement aside, you're ignoring everyone else's accusations, sweeping Meph's statements under the rug as "tunneling," ExKirby's as "being unaccustomed with my playstyle" and eduren's as "policy lynching."

Then you say I have scum logic and am acting odd.  Alrighty... so first ExKirby is scum for voting you.  Then ExKirby is a sheep and I'm scum.  Now I'm odd ("A-OK by me ;D") and ExKirby is confused.  Suddenly I have scum logic and everyone is town, voting you for the wrong reasons.  You are trying extremely hard to protect yourself, hey?


CK, I disagree with you on the "jester" analysis.  I just saw ToonyMan being a jester in Second Chance, and this doesn't look like it.  My guess is "survivor," since he has the same sort of awkward "ARGH WHAT THE HELL DO I DO WITH THIS ROLE" behavior he always does when he first rolls up a 3rd-party, but none of his more polished scum-meta.  Further, I think his roleclaim fits a survivor role (and it doesn't sound like something he made up).  If you need to get to the end of the game, the worst possible eventuality is that it becomes intrinsically harder and harder to do so.

I also believe him to be third-party because he isn't behaving as though he's a part of a team.  If we have 3 scum, then it doesn't matter so much that he's going to die D1; he usually manages to be far more laissez-faire about being lynched off, even if he's drawing severe heat.

So, he's a third-party that doesn't want to die, and whose role gets progressively worse.  I'm going with survivor, and think we should lynch him off ASAP.  The scum are going to want to use him very, very much in a game with this sort of balance.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 27, 2010, 02:31:49 pm
Why are the people voting me the only ones posting?

It's like 4 square and I'm the ball.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2010, 02:37:32 pm
Why are the people voting me the only ones posting?

It's like 4 square and I'm the ball.

That's probably because they're all either lazy, busy, or amused scumbuckets.  I don't think Kashyyk's even posted since the game began.


On the other hand, CK is scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 27, 2010, 02:53:22 pm
Quote from: A little bit louder and a little bit worse
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby, Vector, Eduren
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk
Kashyyk: CobaltKobold
Mephansteras: Pandarsenic, ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
ExKirby: Apostolic Nihilist
Deadline is tomorrow at roughly 10pm GMT+0.

Prods can be requested for those who haven't posted for 24 hours.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 27, 2010, 02:57:33 pm
Prods should be sent auto.

SEND EVERYONE PRODS.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 27, 2010, 03:01:42 pm
Why should everyone get prods? That's just ridiculous. It's not like *no-one* posted yesterday.


Fun with numbers (total posts per player after the game started)

Playerposts
Apostolic Nihilist2
CobaltKobold13
Eduren12
ExKirby9
Kashyyk3
Mephansteras16
Nirur Torir8
Pandarsenic5
RedWarrior05
Solifuge3
ToonyMan29
Vector10

Apostolic Nihilist has posted the least, by far. Kashyyk posted a bit early on but hasn't said anything recently. Nor have Pandarsenic nor Solifuge.

Everyone else has been fairly chatty to at least some degree.

And, good gods Toony you post a lot! Not that all of that was content, of course.

Cobalt, you've posted a good bit about Toony but your vote is still on Kashyyk. That looked like a random vote. Any reason why you've left it there?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2010, 03:02:37 pm
That would be because she's scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 27, 2010, 03:03:41 pm
I never realized how much I posted until you brought it up.

Must be the town in me.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 27, 2010, 03:05:28 pm
Considering that most of that was you throwing around baseless accusations or desperately attempting to defend yourself I find that explanation a bit unlikely.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2010, 03:08:52 pm
I never realized how much I posted until you brought it up.

Must be the town in me.

 ::)

Must be the verbosity in you.  Good god, can we just kill this man and get going?  He's a survivor, end of story.  CK and Solifuge are scum.  A couple of people need either prods or serious lynch-threats, but mostly we need to move on now that we've found our first anti-townie.


Also, issuing scads of prods is probably a bad idea.  They mean a lot more now than they used to, and all that.  So... I think we need to bother Kashyyk and Apost in-thread, but otherwise no mod action is required.

Kashyyk and Apostolic Nihilist, what are your reads on people?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 27, 2010, 03:22:02 pm
Must be the verbosity in you.  Good god, can we just kill this man and get going?  He's a survivor, end of story.  CK and Solifuge are scum.  A couple of people need either prods or serious lynch-threats, but mostly we need to move on now that we've found our first anti-townie.
Where did Solifuge=scum come from?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2010, 03:26:41 pm
I'm here, no prods needed  :D

Kashyyk 3

I've only posted three times? felt like more...

Cobalt, you've posted a good bit about Toony but your vote is still on Kashyyk. That looked like a random vote. Any reason why you've left it there?
Thanks for calling that up, I was wondering.

Also, reads.

I'm thinking CK and AN. CK is throwing FoS's around like it was the end of the world, but never actually changing from me and put weight behind her accusations. I think AN might be scum as well, with his lurking, but I can't really say much about that, for obvious reasons.

PPE
Eduren: Probably her lack of posts
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 27, 2010, 03:36:16 pm
Must be the verbosity in you.  Good god, can we just kill this man and get going?  He's a survivor, end of story.  CK and Solifuge are scum.  A couple of people need either prods or serious lynch-threats, but mostly we need to move on now that we've found our first anti-townie.
Where did Solifuge=scum come from?

It came from her being scum (and I agree with Kashyyk on Apostolic Nihilist).


In more detail, here are her three posts:

Oh wow... that was definitely Pentameter coming from Nirur Torir, though there was no set meter  so it's technically not Iambic. I love this game already.

Hmm... perhaps Nirur Torir is in fact a murderous Macbeth? What say you, knave?

Passive reaction-test.

The Pentameter isn't really my role, unfortunately. When I signed up, I decided to try it for my first post for no apparent reason. I'll drop it.

Awww... but I liked it.  :-\

Also, RedWarrior0 where were you on the night before last? And the night before that? Are you a villain? Are you even here?!?

Buddying with Nirur Torir.  Terrible RVS questions, all in the same vein.  Flopping.  Lurker-hunting.  Potentially searching for easy lynches.  High-tension behavior.

I suspect Christopher Lloyd did a better job at this role than I. It's still quite awesome though.

Also, Unvote RedWarrior0. Glad of you to join us!

Unvotes and then disappears after RVS, when things start heating up and getting more difficult.  She fits the scum profile perfectly.



Any more questions?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 27, 2010, 04:18:34 pm
Why do you want to lynch a "Survivor" Vector?

Survivors aren't anti-town early game.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 27, 2010, 04:38:10 pm
On the other hand, CK is scum.
I don't see any argument here.
Cobalt, you've posted a good bit about Toony but your vote is still on Kashyyk. That looked like a random vote. Any reason why you've left it there?
Hasn't answered my second question. Has lurked.

Has, now, returned and STILL not answered the question.

I don't think the scum would care more nor less about the survivor in this game- the scum has bad roles too, I'm quite sure.

Vector actively did not answer my question and is using tautologies. Getting my vote when Kashyyk answers.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 27, 2010, 04:47:45 pm
OH HAI GUISE

Going from the time of Mephansteras' list, least posts to most:
Apostolic Nihilist with 2(!) posts
Kashyyk and Solifuge with 3 posts
Me and RedWarrior0 with 5 (I'm so ashamed)
Nirur Torir with 8, ExKirby with 9.
Everyone else has broken at least 10.

Unvote anyone I'm voting.

Perhaps Apostolic Nihilist is scum with some manner of post restriction that he really wants to avoid. I could see that on Kashyyk or Solifuge, also. To be fair, RedWarrior0 or I could also fall reasonably within that category. But at 2 posts, Apostolic is certainly the best candidate.

Vector: Why would we lynch a survivor?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 27, 2010, 04:48:21 pm
Cobalt, you've posted a good bit about Toony but your vote is still on Kashyyk. That looked like a random vote. Any reason why you've left it there?
Hasn't answered my second question. Has lurked.

Has, now, returned and STILL not answered the question.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2010, 05:23:15 pm
There was a question? What was it?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 27, 2010, 05:25:02 pm
erm, What?

I'm going to go with what I think you meant, which is 'Which three would be the most powerful as a scum team?' Correct me if I'm wrong.
You're wrong. Assume you're scum. Who do you want on your team?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 27, 2010, 05:28:38 pm
Who would I want on my team If I was scum?

I'm going to go with my usual philosophy of having two good active players and a lurker. I fit the lurker role, so I'd want two strong players. Mephansteras and Pandarsenic are by far the strongest players here so having one if not both off them would be good. Toonyman would be an interesting scum partner, but he's a little too erratic for my likes.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 27, 2010, 05:35:29 pm
Satisfactory. Unvote Kashyyk
vote Vector
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on January 27, 2010, 05:58:03 pm
I'm not scum, nor do I have a post restriction. I do have a pretty bad power that could lead to my death as early as N2, though. There's also a chance it'll catch scum.

ExKirby hasn't responded to my question on page 12, but whatever -- we have more important things to deal with. I was sort of waiting for a response.

Anyway, my reads?

ToonyMan - As Vector surmised, seems to be survivor. Overwhelmingly talkative (also, was that just a soft-claim?)


Pandarsenic - Scummy.
Vector - I can't say much either way. I don't like how he's trying to lynch a survivor (we need to find scum right now) but realistically, scum shouldn't want to lynch a survivor either.
Apostolic Nihilist - 2 posts! OBVSCUM
RedWarrior0 - Scum.
~~

The rest of my suspicion/scumlist will come later when I actually finish my homework. Sigh.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 27, 2010, 06:01:44 pm
Leafy-san, please fix the players list.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 27, 2010, 06:26:08 pm
Unvote. Vote Kashyyk.
I'm here, no prods needed  :D

Kashyyk 3

I've only posted three times? felt like more...

Cobalt, you've posted a good bit about Toony but your vote is still on Kashyyk. That looked like a random vote. Any reason why you've left it there?
Thanks for calling that up, I was wondering.

Also, reads.

I'm thinking CK and AN. CK is throwing FoS's around like it was the end of the world, but never actually changing from me and put weight behind her accusations. I think AN might be scum as well, with his lurking, but I can't really say much about that, for obvious reasons.

PPE
Eduren: Probably her lack of posts
Defensive about your post count.
Possible buddying.
Pointing out people you suspect of scumminess, but not voting.
What's that about Eduren at the end? Something about a lack of posts?

Why don't you think ToonyMan is scummy?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 27, 2010, 08:03:57 pm
Good eve, all.

Vector, I fear you are thinking entirely too deeply about three very content-light posts. I shall address the most scurrilous rumors first:


Oh wow... that was definitely Pentameter coming from Nirur Torir, though there was no set meter  so it's technically not Iambic. I love this game already.

Hmm... perhaps Nirur Torir is in fact a murderous Macbeth? What say you, knave?

Passive reaction-test.

I happen to be a literature geek, and thus Nirur Torir waxing Shakespearean completely on a whim made my day. The random vote was primarily to draw attention to how awesome this was, while also staying on topic with a "reaction-test."


The Pentameter isn't really my role, unfortunately. When I signed up, I decided to try it for my first post for no apparent reason. I'll drop it.

Awww... but I liked it.  :-\

Also, RedWarrior0 where were you on the night before last? And the night before that? Are you a villain? Are you even here?!?

Buddying with Nirur Torir.  Terrible RVS questions, all in the same vein.  Flopping.  Lurker-hunting.  Potentially searching for easy lynches.  High-tension behavior.

Hysteria strikes again. To say that I'm "buddying" with Nirur is a stretch at best. I loved the poetics, but that says nothing for his role or team, and anyone with half a brain knows the difference between complimenting a person, and siding with them as a player. I've played this game with close friends all the time, and yet I still lynch/night kill them without trouble. There is a separation between game and reality here.

Also, having seen that RedWarrior0 hadn't yet posted here either, and knowing that the same thing had happened in other games running parallel to this one, I asked "Are you here?" honestly... it's a matter of seeing if he is a career lurker, or was actually away at length. The rest is just how I play; if you can't deal with someone treating a game like a game, while also taking passive critical reads of players and their statements, you'll have to deal.


I suspect Christopher Lloyd did a better job at this role than I. It's still quite awesome though.

Also, Unvote RedWarrior0. Glad of you to join us!

Unvotes and then disappears after RVS, when things start heating up and getting more difficult.  She fits the scum profile perfectly.

Any more questions?

After the initial posts, I dropped into heavy lurk-mode this game. I work a 9-to-5, and am looking for an apartment IRL right now, which has occupied the better part of my time during the week. This is also in part a tactical experiment, attempted in response to my fate in Aztec Mafia. Being vocal, putting myself out there, and proposing sound logical plans for the town got me lynched on the first day, which was infuriating because my plan involved sacrificing myself for the Town during the Night, and was totally ruined.

Also, as for any more questions, I would ask why you're working so hard to spit fire and venom at everyone. I can understand encouraging activity in lurkers, which is what I'm passing this off as, but in so doing you're making sweeping generalizations based on an ABSENCE of information, which is a huge logical fallacy. You can't prove what -is- by using a lack of available information.

Also, you may consider me sufficiently prodded. I'll be observing for a wee bit yet. When's the deadline?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Pandarsenic on January 27, 2010, 08:33:08 pm

From bottom up:

Sidestepping? Please. Before I was going to touch that I wanted to know why Vector thinks we should lynch a survivor, if a survivor is really what Toony is. Self-preservation isn't only for survivors, y'know. It's also something scum do. But lynching survivors isn't an issue until approaching Lylo.

Also, now that you mention it, you avoided posting until quite some time after the thread started - trying to think up a way to cope with some manner of day-horrible-ness?

You say I'm scummy then don't vote me. Fair enough, if you're confident in RedWarrior0.

You're awfully quick to dismiss Toony as a survivor.

OKAY, bullshit on that WIFOM about your power. I tried that once. As the Scumbucket in Webby's BYOR2. I'm not backing off on this. You're scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 27, 2010, 08:59:23 pm
Player list is fixed.

Quote from: Less than 24 hours left in this weirdly long day
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby, Vector, Eduren
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk, Pandarsenic
Mephansteras: ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
Vector: CobaltKobold
RedWarrior0: Apostolic Nihilist
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 27, 2010, 09:01:37 pm
Day Extension.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 02:29:09 am
Vector: Why would we lynch a survivor?

Why do you want to lynch a "Survivor" Vector?

Survivors aren't anti-town early game.

Things I completely forgot/didn't know: this fact.  Things I have been wrong about: Pandarsenic's meta.  Things I am doing: keeping my vote on ToonyMan, because either he's a survivor we don't want around, anyway, or he's some sort of terrifyingly obvscum.

I am not going to change my opinion based on whether or not some other people agree he is a survivor and decide lynching him is a bad idea.  They may be attempting to save a scumbuddy via an incorrect assumption on my part, so I will go with the definitive "he is not town, and that is all" and hope that he's mafia.


Oh wow... that was definitely Pentameter coming from Nirur Torir, though there was no set meter  so it's technically not Iambic. I love this game already.

Hmm... perhaps Nirur Torir is in fact a murderous Macbeth? What say you, knave?

Passive reaction-test.

I happen to be a literature geek, and thus Nirur Torir waxing Shakespearean completely on a whim made my day. The random vote was primarily to draw attention to how awesome this was, while also staying on topic with a "reaction-test."

Passively.  Your sentence structure informs me that you are passive.  It may be a character trait, or it may be a scumtell.  I cannot say I know which.


Hysteria strikes again. To say that I'm "buddying" with Nirur is a stretch at best. I loved the poetics, but that says nothing for his role or team, and anyone with half a brain knows the difference between complimenting a person, and siding with them as a player. I've played this game with close friends all the time, and yet I still lynch/night kill them without trouble. There is a separation between game and reality here.

Also, having seen that RedWarrior0 hadn't yet posted here either, and knowing that the same thing had happened in other games running parallel to this one, I asked "Are you here?" honestly... it's a matter of seeing if he is a career lurker, or was actually away at length. The rest is just how I play; if you can't deal with someone treating a game like a game, while also taking passive critical reads of players and their statements, you'll have to deal.

I suppose I have only half a brain, then.  You see, I'm accustomed to playing a very careful scumgame, grouping myself with other "sheep" players through whatever means I must.  Discussion of a common interest often helps with that.

Once a commonality is established, members tend to be more open to other groupings between oneself and another--i.e., the "foot in the door phenomenon."  With the creation of such groups, it becomes far easier to direct the town vote.

It is not a question of pre-existing relationships.  It is a question of generating a new relationship within the context of the game.  With careful generation of good in-game relationships, the game becomes far easier for scum.

Thus no, not hysteria.  Given that 2/3 of your posts contained something I would have done to grab myself an ally and the other one was pretty much fluff, I got worried.


I feel that I am treating this game like a game.  Perhaps that has something to do with how I play games... for me, the game is finding out how to best solve the game.  I hear that other people play Tetris for the fun of getting farther each time; I enjoy the iterative optimization problem.  Some people read books for the fun of getting caught up in a story.  Others find the fun in the expression of narrative structure and literary techniques.  What is the purpose of socializing?  Is it the joy of carefully constructing a surreal expression that makes others laugh?  Is it the pleasure of producing well-formed paragraphs to influence another's mind?  Is it the challenge of convincing someone else that you are a person like them?  No, it's probably something else that I don't quite understand, as was explained in the above examples.  This does not mean that either of us is wrong, but it does mean that we will find ourselves conflicting a bit.

What is enjoyable about making a forum post?  The careful employment of syntactic parallelism?  The construction of alliteration to enhance said parallelism?  The manipulation of size to provide subtle changes in tone?  This is what I enjoy, and it is how I "play."  Occasional paragraphs about seemingly unrelated subjects also tend to feature prominently.


Based on the manner in which I play this game, I cannot simply stand by and let you say nothing.  The ways in which we play this game are conflicting.  Thus I will press you a little from your passiveness, in hopes of gaining a basic model of your mentality and the patterns under which you operate.  If you cannot deal with others making attempts to find out how you think, that is most unfortunate.


Also, as for any more questions, I would ask why you're working so hard to spit fire and venom at everyone. I can understand encouraging activity in lurkers, which is what I'm passing this off as, but in so doing you're making sweeping generalizations based on an ABSENCE of information, which is a huge logical fallacy. You can't prove what -is- by using a lack of available information.

If I don't force reactions, I can't pick up reactions.  Without a sufficient body of text, I cannot determine who is scum and who is not.  I am making sweeping generalizations based on micro-data, which tends to work quite well.  Your objections provide me with the data I need to make further statements.  Thus I accuse others until I can leave them alone.  If I do not provide pressure, I am well aware that I will not be able to figure anything out.

There is no fire, venom, or mentions of sucking lemons.  There is just what you write, and what I see.  Then there is a calibration phase, which usually becomes loud and yelly as I try to find out if I am correct or incorrect.  Then either one of us dies or we both move on.  I do not understand what is so difficult for you to swallow about all this.


And now to you, CK...

Vector actively did not answer my question and is using tautologies. Getting my vote when Kashyyk answers.


Hi vector. Why are you scum?

I'm not.  What makes you think I am?
That's a pretty bad answer to my question. Why should I think you're town?

Let's see, you asked "Why am I scum," and then said "I'm not" is a poor answer.

You want me to prove something false?  Okay, I can do that.


Suppose that 1 + 1 = 1.  Then the scumteam and I are two separate entities, which means that the scumteam and I are one.  There!  Proof that I'm scum.


More seriously, this is complete bullshit.  You want me to talk... well, I'm talking, but pressing me over sheer inanities is preposterous.  I can't prove myself town in any method but the obvious and forbidden one, so I'm providing you with the correct answer: go figure it out yourself from my posts, because I can offer no definitive proof.  You should think I'm town based on my behavior, if you consider it townie; you should think I'm scum based on my behavior, if you consider it scummy.  That computation, however, you will have to do yourself, since it is based entirely on internal considerations and definitions.

A tautological argument?  Perhaps.  On the other hand, it is the best I can give.  I know I am town, but that does not necessarily mean you should think I am town.  You should think someone is town only if you have gained sufficient evidence yourself, and I cannot provide answers as to whether or not you have gained that evidence.  This response is perhaps insufficient in your mind, but there is only so much I can do.


Why do I say you're scum?  Because you're playing the same old "let's find a typo and call it hypocrisy!!" song and dance you tried when were scum together in Panda's BYOR.  Example A:

Toony, why are you continuing to blatantly lie?
Eduren, are you going to stop listening to others and vote independently without worry?  Because that's what I do.  I vote interdependently without worry and you're all wrong to vote me.

Further, vast numbers of FoS => passiveness, and what seems to be an extensive later-game attack involving Burden of Proof... which is a royally scummy strategy.  I also find it irritating that you attempted to pass off my compatriot's death as an appeal to emotion, even though absolutely no suspicion was on me... though that's simply personal irritation, more than anything that belongs in this game.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 28, 2010, 10:10:07 am
Player list is fixed.

Quote from: Less than 24 hours left in this weirdly long day
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby, Vector, Eduren
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk, Pandarsenic
Mephansteras: ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
Vector: CobaltKobold
RedWarrior0: Apostolic Nihilist
But the votecount is not.
Unvote. Vote Kashyyk.

Vector: You're defending Toony now. Furthermore, the "ter" that makes "interdependently" the antonym of "independently" is beyond the pale of "typographical error". Also it fits with the pattern of him writing patently, on-their-face trivially FALSE STATEMENTS. There are at least four or five now.

As for problems of language getting me in trouble, that happens most games I'm in-the BM,  BYOR, MSPAM (being known as roleblocker), by your assertion BYORPE...I guess it didn't happen in Neruz's Bastard but it wasn't exactly one in which I participated more than poking and prodding at the town.

To rephrase my question(s) so that you can perhaps understand it, though I no longer have any expectation of getting a meaningful answer from you, "What evidence would you use to suggest that you're scum?"
the second time "What evidence...town?" though you did seem to pass that one.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 28, 2010, 10:12:48 am
Vector: You're defending Toony now.
i.e. you're both scum is how I see it now.

...why you're contesting his lies WHILE YOU'RE VOTING FOR HIM I don't know. Probably one of those things that makes the numbers on the votecount unavailable.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 28, 2010, 11:54:48 am
The previous votecount is correct.
Quote from: In the dying light
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby, Vector, Eduren
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk, Pandarsenic
Mephansteras: ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
Vector: CobaltKobold
RedWarrior0: Apostolic Nihilist
Just a step to the left (day extension): ToonyMan

Day ends today at roughly 10pm GMT +0.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 28, 2010, 12:35:34 pm
Leafsnail, you have no idea how badly I want to say "And then a jump to the right." ...but lets save the TimeWarp for another time. (Actually I think we got those reversed, but whatevs)

Anyway, I am caught up on the discussion finally.

Great Wall of Text

I propose that no one is allowed to quote this post without paraphrasing. Ever.

Taking the post as a whole, we see that you are supporting your arguments with logical analysis. This is good; people trying to parse, who have semi-hard evidence that they are actively pursuing scum get a few points to their Trustability score. As such, I am tentatively disuaded from voting to kill you on the first day, and would disuade others from the same.

I would say the same for ToonyMan. After his claim, he has let the scum know that he gains powers as people die. Even though this will suck for the town, he can now be tested to verify this (we can see if he inherits a role of whoever dies next) and will in all likelyhood be killed by scum tonight. If he isn't killed, then chances are that his role is actually a scum role. In either case, a lynch on him is a waste, and should be spent on scumhunting those who we can't test yet.

As an aside, (and call it buddying, or whatever you want, but) Toony seems legitimate to me. One night will be able to prove this.



To investigators (if we have any that can glean good information), I would advise you to take heed of suspicious and vocal folk. If you find a scum, it can be hard to incriminate a lurker just on that basis, without revealing your hand. (in this context, I do not propose that this precludes me, in case any of you are going to try and twist this. <_<)

I think CobaltKobold has been a bit on the scummish side with paper-thin logic supporting direct attacks. I still don't have enough knowledge about the scenario to feel comfortable making a serious lynch vote, though. I'll try to get a better read when I have the time later today.

EDIT: (before y'all freak out, it was a formating edit: I botched a quote)
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 12:51:22 pm
I have to disagree with you there, Solifuge. Why would a townsperson with such an absolutely *awful* role be so worried about dying? I understand not wanting to be lynched for no reason, but he's gone above and beyond that. He's very obviously trying very hard not to get lynched. That's a major scum-tell, along with the word-twisting baseless accusations.

No, I'm pretty sure Toony's not town. And I don't see any reason to let him 'prove' that he has the horrible role he mentioned. At best, with that role, he's a Survivor and a distraction from lynching scum when we need to the most.

I say lynch him today and get it over with.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 12:58:35 pm
Why are you defending me Solifuge, stop that.

I have to disagree with you there, Solifuge. Why would a townsperson with such an absolutely *awful* role be so worried about dying? I understand not wanting to be lynched for no reason, but he's gone above and beyond that. He's very obviously trying very hard not to get lynched. That's a major scum-tell, along with the word-twisting baseless accusations.

No, I'm pretty sure Toony's not town. And I don't see any reason to let him 'prove' that he has the horrible role he mentioned. At best, with that role, he's a Survivor and a distraction from lynching scum when we need to the most.

I say lynch him today and get it over with.

YEAH SO?  You know how Town loses?  When all their people die off.

Vector and Meph right now.  Both using scum logic.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 28, 2010, 01:02:24 pm
I'm not defending you; I'm being entirely logical here. We kill you today, we waste a lynch, and the Scum kill someone else. We kill someone else, and the Scum kill you tonight because you're verifiable.

I have to disagree with you there, Solifuge.
[...]
At best, with that role, he's a Survivor and a distraction from lynching scum when we need to the most.

I say lynch him today and get it over with.

You kinda contradicted yourself there, Meph. ToonyMan is a distraction from voting Scum, which is exactly why we shouldn't bother killing him today.

I must second the motion that we should go for suspected Scum, not Survivors. To propose that we start off killing Survivors does nothing but hurt the town.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 01:07:21 pm
That's anti-town thinking, Toony. Yes, town looses when too many of them die. Not wanting to get randomly lynched is normal.

However, your excessive defensiveness, coupled with the way you've warped what people have said and done in a desperate attempt to get *anybody* lynched, even before you were in danger of being lynched yourself, strikes me as scummy.

Even more, the fact that you've been latching onto any excuse imaginable to try to get people lynched means you're anti-town. You're not trying to find scum, you're trying to get someone lynched. I don't care if you're scum, SK, or Survivor. You're anti-town and I want you lynched.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 01:12:20 pm
@Solifuge: It wasn't a contradiction, really. I said that *at best* he's a survivor, and a rather anti-town one at that. And considering how desperate he is to lynch people, I'm leaning towards him being scum rather then survivor.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 01:23:34 pm
I don't want anybody lynched, I want you lynched.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 01:26:47 pm
I don't want anybody lynched, I want you lynched.

Why? Seriously, why?

You voted me for 'buddying', which I hadn't done. When I pointed that out, you just spewed nonsense. You've never given a good reason to lynch me, you just randomly declared that I'd been 'scummy' and that I should be lynched.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 01:30:15 pm
Haha, you're voting me because you don't agree with my "buddying" philosophy.
I'm voting you because I do agree with it.

We are voting each other for equal reasons Meph, unless you know your vote is being placed on town.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 01:35:23 pm
Um, no. I'm voting you because of how you've responded to everything, which has been really scummy. It's your actions after voting me that have made me suspicious of you. Not the fact that you voted me or whatever this "buddying" philosophy you have is. Which you still haven't even tried to explain.

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 01:37:10 pm
I'm voting you for that too.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 01:41:03 pm
I give up. You still refuse to actually make sense, Toony. I'm guessing you really are scum, and panicked when things turned against you yesterday. It's the only explanation that makes any sense at all.

I'm leaving my vote on you. After you're lynched, I'll be able to look back on what everyone has done today to find out who your scum-buddies are.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2010, 02:08:34 pm
Day Extension

Defensive about your post count.
No, just mildly surprised.

Possible buddying.
again, just comment. But I see where you are coming from.

Pointing out people you suspect of scumminess, but not voting.
True, but I didn't want to vote for CK then, as it would appear an OMGUS, and voting AN would be hypocritical.

What's that about Eduren at the end? Something about a lack of posts?
I was attempting to answer his question about why Vector(?) was calling Solifuge Scummy.

Why don't you think ToonyMan is scummy?
Because he has a habit of doing strange things. I believe this is just another episode of that.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 28, 2010, 03:17:41 pm
The previous votecount is correct.
Are you pulling stuff on us?
EDIT: (before y'all freak out, it was a formating edit: I botched a quote)
You say this, but the reason for the rule is we have no way to easily verify it.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 04:03:49 pm
Going to die in a hour and nobody looks to threaten the great god Meph.

Let's just say I'm sorry Town for being foolishly trapped.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 04:06:04 pm
Vector: You're defending Toony now. Furthermore, the "ter" that makes "interdependently" the antonym of "independently" is beyond the pale of "typographical error". Also it fits with the pattern of him writing patently, on-their-face trivially FALSE STATEMENTS. There are at least four or five now.

To rephrase my question(s) so that you can perhaps understand it, though I no longer have any expectation of getting a meaningful answer from you, "What evidence would you use to suggest that you're scum?"
the second time "What evidence...town?" though you did seem to pass that one.

Incorrect, I want him lynched.  Attacking one of his attackers (oh, I'm sorry... extensive FoSers) who has a history of trying to nail people with ridiculously flimsy arguments does not mean that I don't want him dead.

By the way, there's a lot of one-key errors that will give you "interdependently" at the top of the Firefox spellchecker.  Your major scumtell is a desire to call everything hypocrisy and lies; as such, I'm trying to catch you at it, no matter who you're attacking at the time.

And, now that I finally understand your questions (apologies all around), here's the argument I'd lay on myself if I were trying to prove myself scum:


There you are.  The most I can get myself on is consistent emotional appeals and buddying.  Go for it.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 04:10:47 pm
Oh, you mean that thing way back when?

I didn't see the interdependently, I guess Firefox spelled checked it wrong.  I meant to say independently both times.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 28, 2010, 04:42:57 pm
With 20 minutes, I reckon the only thing I can do is apologize for my lurking. I'm a very unlucky person, but I have good news. I can try to get my problems solved tommorow. If I do, I can charge through the pages and work out who's scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 28, 2010, 04:50:49 pm
You can ask for an extension. That'll be three people with none against so we should get one.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 28, 2010, 04:56:39 pm
Sure, Extension.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ExKirby on January 28, 2010, 05:05:24 pm
Well... I thought the town was a little burned out... but I may be mixing up my games.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 05:45:01 pm
Well, I'm officially dead now.

Nice job ExKirby with your definite reasoning.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 28, 2010, 05:50:37 pm
3 extension requests heard with no objections/ shortening requests.  Time has been warped backwards 24 hours.

Deadline tomorrow around 10pm GMT+0.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: RedWarrior0 on January 28, 2010, 06:14:19 pm
Complete roleflips?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 28, 2010, 06:14:58 pm
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Players will roleflip rolename + alignment + abilities on death
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 28, 2010, 06:37:59 pm
->OBJECTION!<-
I mean, Extension!

On to the case of Toony versus Town:
Does it not make sense to redirect our lynch from Toony, and at least give him a day to verify himself? Do we not want as many living allies as possible? Moreover, if his role is as stated, we would get to keep powers around after people died. Look at your role, and think if it would be useful to have around after the event that you died. For instance, if nothing else, mine can be used tactically, and would still be of some benefit to town were I to die.

In short, the lynch case on him seems misguided to me, and we would better spend our votes on any of the lurkers, questionably logical people, and/or bandwagoners.

The defense rests.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 28, 2010, 06:49:49 pm
In short, the lynch case on him seems misguided to me, and we would better spend our votes on any of the lurkers, questionably logical people, and/or bandwagoners.

The defense rests.

I'd say he's sufficiently 'questionably logical' to warrant lynching.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 28, 2010, 06:50:41 pm
->OBJECTION!<-
I mean, Extension!

On to the case of Toony versus Town:
Does it not make sense to redirect our lynch from Toony, and at least give him a day to verify himself? Do we not want as many living allies as possible? Moreover, if his role is as stated, we would get to keep powers around after people died. Look at your role, and think if it would be useful to have around after the event that you died. For instance, if nothing else, mine can be used tactically, and would still be of some benefit to town were I to die.

In short, the lynch case on him seems misguided to me, and we would better spend our votes on any of the lurkers, questionably logical people, and/or bandwagoners.

The defense rests.

Proofing I have a role doesn't proof my alignment.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 28, 2010, 07:41:05 pm
<.< You make a damned fine argument against yourself, Toony. The Defense would like a chance to withdraw from further questioning, as our case has been turned on its head.


On a Metagame level, Toony's supposed role does seem like the sort of role a Serial Killer would have, to empower them as they kill townies. Kinda like an inverse Highlander, where you inherit the suckage of everyone you kill along with their power.

Even so, his overt game has been pro-town, in that he has dissuaded me from "defending" him (and thus being jointly incriminated), as well as making a logical argument against himself, rather than seeking to go along with defense of him. It seems as though he is trying to save me from being brought down with him (though perhaps I'm reading too much into this) which seems pro-town to me, and looking more toward the survival of the group than the survival of the individual.

My Scumdar is reading him as Non-Scum, granted that this does not guarantee Town either. It's a peculiar gambit either way.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on January 28, 2010, 07:45:42 pm
->OBJECTION!<-
I mean, Extension!

On to the case of Toony versus Town:
Does it not make sense to redirect our lynch from Toony, and at least give him a day to verify himself? Do we not want as many living allies as possible? Moreover, if his role is as stated, we would get to keep powers around after people died. Look at your role, and think if it would be useful to have around after the event that you died. For instance, if nothing else, mine can be used tactically, and would still be of some benefit to town were I to die.

In short, the lynch case on him seems misguided to me, and we would better spend our votes on any of the lurkers, questionably logical people, and/or bandwagoners.

The defense rests.
You seem to be relying on power roles too much. Why should we put off lynching somebody that is acting scummy, just in case he could be useful? The point is that he has acted sufficiently scummy to be lynced today and I am confident that he is either scum, survivor, or Jester. Hopefully the first one.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 28, 2010, 07:46:07 pm
P.S. Vector, your argument against yourself was incredibly cute. I liked it.

P.P.S. It's also WIFOM as anything. I don't like that.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2010, 12:35:16 am
P.S. Vector, your argument against yourself was incredibly cute. I liked it.

P.P.S. It's also WIFOM as anything. I don't like that.

P.S. Why, thank you.  I do try.

P.P.S. Take it up with the person who asked me to attack myself.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: CobaltKobold on January 29, 2010, 10:06:44 am
Well, I'm convinced. Fun new tactics.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Kashyyk on January 29, 2010, 11:37:24 am
Can we have a vote count?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2010, 12:08:38 pm
Quote from: Same old story, same old song and dance
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby, Vector, Eduren
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk, Pandarsenic
Mephansteras: ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
Vector: CobaltKobold
RedWarrior0: Apostolic Nihilist
And a step to the right (day extension): Solifuge

Day ends at roughly 10pm GMT +0 today.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 02:23:57 pm
Day Extension.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on January 29, 2010, 02:27:43 pm
Why? No one's doing anything with the extension you already got.

I say No Extension.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2010, 02:30:57 pm
Hell, I'd be up for a day shortening.  There's no reason to wait around doing nothing.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 02:39:15 pm
I was hoping other people would post.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2010, 02:42:35 pm
Dude, you're trying entirely too damned hard to save your life to be town.

Day shortening.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 02:50:14 pm
Little beard told me defeatism is a scum tell.

Big beard told me trying to live is a scum tell.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Vector on January 29, 2010, 02:51:34 pm
Little beard told me defeatism is a scum tell.

Big beard told me trying to live is a scum tell.

And my little brain told me that it's all a matter of degrees, and you're not riding the golden median anywhere near hard enough.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Apostolic Nihilist on January 29, 2010, 03:01:31 pm
I don't directly take issue with Toony's lynch, but I'd like everyone to be aware of RedWarrior's ridiculous amount of lurking.

It's bloody hard to make a case against him when he isn't here.

I feel like this has happened before, too. Under very similar circumstances...

Also, just to clarify/squeeze as much info out of Toony before his probable demise: You say you're town, right? Not survivor/SK/third-party. Not lyncher, either?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on January 29, 2010, 03:40:33 pm
Perhaps it is a White Knight complex, but I am nigh certain that ToonyMan isn't Scum, and has been falsely accused and subsequently dogpiled.

I also can't fight a tide of arguments, even if they seem to be looking less to prove WHO we should lynch, and more to prove why we should specifically lynch HIM. Truely, Scum Tells mean very little as a rubric for judging who to vote against, as it is subjective to opinion and emotion, impossible to verify, and easily twisted by Scum as something to hide your lynch movements behind. Moreover, how a player is acting depends on innumerable minor details which we can never know, and thus is imprecise at best, and outright wrong at worst.

Even so, it is all we have to go on at this juncture. I don't feel I've had adequate time to get solid reads on anyone, nor do I feel as though my vote would really do anything against the rising tide versus Toonyman. As such, I'll sit out this round. Here's hoping the night brings more evidence.



P.S. I didn't intend to motion for a second Day Extension Leafsnail, just the first one.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 04:24:02 pm
Why are you so sure I'm not scum?  Whatever.

Yes, I am Town.  Full blood town and that's it.  Not a mafia, lyncher, jester, etc.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on January 29, 2010, 09:00:36 pm
Not one person calling me out on my lurking? Really?

Solifuge, defending somebody is rather dangerous. If ToonyMan flips scum, you're going to have a hard time proving yourself not scum. If ToonyMan flips town, you're likely to have claims of you buddying.

Is there some sort of trick or something to juggling multiple games of Mafia successfully?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 09:03:57 pm
Well I asked for an extension so others would speak about this...

not lurk.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2010, 09:04:03 pm
Day has ended with a ToonyMan lynch (two extension with two objections heard)  Wait a moment while I get the flavour written.

Final votecount:
ToonyMan: Mephansteras, ExKirby, Vector, Eduren
Apostolic Nihilist: Kashyyk, Pandarsenic
Mephansteras: ToonyMan
Eduren: Nirur Torir
Vector: CobaltKobold
RedWarrior0: Apostolic Nihilist
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: ToonyMan on January 29, 2010, 09:05:42 pm
I am an innocent man!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Leafsnail on January 29, 2010, 09:21:53 pm
And so, on the first day, it is decided that ToonyMan will be the first to die.  "I'm telling you!" shouts Toony, beginning to look desperate.  "I'm innocent, damn it!"
"Only a mafia member would lie about his guilt!"  Mephansteras advances upon ToonyMan.  He points the gun at ToonyMan's head.  "Any last requests?"
ToonyMan looks downwards.  Something catches his eye, and he looks back up with a grin of triumph.  His hand closes around the butterfly that has landed there.

Everyone stares, amazed, at the sight of ToonyMan flying away on elegant wings.  ToonyMan laughs and says he'll come back when you've found the real mafia members, but he seems to have forgotten that a slow moving aerial target isn't exactly difficult to hit at close range.  He comes crashing down to earth with a thump.

The obligatory post-lynch examination causes you to conclude that he was a Substitute.  After the most exhaustive background check that can be performed in five minutes, you also deduce that he was town aligned.

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Hahahaha.  Did you really think all roles would be negative?  It was a lie!!  You have the only positive role in the game!

Every time someone dies, you will go to their grave automatically and steal any and all abilities they have.  All the abilities you steal will stack together!  You will even be able to use multiple abilities per night!  AHAHAHA!  You'll soon be UNSTOPPABLE!

Your role pm will be updated every time you (automatically) rob a grave.

You cannot steal group abilities.
You go to bed, wondering why he felt this ability was such a handicap.

It is now night one.  Please get your night actions in ASAP.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 02, 2010, 05:03:11 pm
You wake up to another beatifully stormy day.  However, it seems that Pandarsenic, Vector, Apostolic Nihilist, RedWarrior0, Nirur Torir, Eduren, ExKirby, Mephansteras, Solifuge, Kashyyk and CobaltKobold are all missing!  Realising this is everyone, you start to wonder who the "You" refers to.  Nevermind, whoever you are, you decide to start searching houses.

Pandarsenic seems to have been slashed in half.  However, he gets up, miraculously unharmed, and groans.

Nirur Torir is lying in the crushed remains of his house, but he rises to his feet too as you approach.

Eduren also lies in the wreckage of his house, with a nasty slash wound, but gets up anyway.  A pattern is developing, and you aren't at all surprised to see ExKirby, Mephansteras, Solifuge, Kashyyk and CobaltKobold revive in the same way.

However, you still cannot find Vector, Apostolic Nihilist or RedWarrior0!  Where could they be?

Arriving at Vector's house, you find... a whole bunch of knives?  And axes?  And swords?  And masks?  It looks like he was a Psycopath of some sort!


No, wait, here's the number of his psychologist.  Turns out he was a (Mostly) Reformed Psychopath, and therefore town aligned.  He appears to have been dispatched with a clean shot to the back of the head.
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You've always had a horrible and crippling ailment resulting in frequent mass murdering sprees, but recently you've been seeing a psychologist and have got better.  Well, slightly.  You still get occasional urges, y'see...

Every night you MUST choose someone to target.  If they are town, they will die.  If they are not town, they will not die.

Well... if he was a killer, where is his victim?  You find out quickly enough when you arrive at Apostolic Nihilist's house.  The entire place is splattered with blood and his body is all over the place.  He seems to have been chopped to pieces.

You can only identify him from the trail of footprints leading outside, and the strange medication he has on his bedside table.  It seems he was a town aligned Sonambulist.
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Every night you will visit a random players house and disturb their sleep.  You feel terrible about this though, and you will need to send them a letter personally apologising for waking them up on the next night.

You have to work out who you visited and send their name to me by the next night or you will kill yourself.

Lastly, you visit the house of RedWarrior0.  He seems to have... some of the lyrics for Nothing to Lose written on a notepad?  Well, he certainly has nothing to lose now, since he jumped from his bedroom window in the night.  Shame for him, since he was a Suicidal Music Loving Survivor.
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You will attempt to kill yourself every night unless you can send me the name of a song in another player's role pm (the player can be alive or dead).  If you do this successfully, you will be too busy singing the song and dancing to it to kill yourself.

You cannot send in the same song twice and you cannot use [REDACTED] :P.

One more hint: The only thing all these songs have in common is that I've heard them before.  Good luck.
What a night.  You only hope things will be slightly less bloody from here on out.

Survivors:
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

Deadline: About 10pm GMT+0, Friday.

OP will be updated shortly.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Kashyyk on February 02, 2010, 05:10:01 pm
I have one thing to say. Lolwut?

I take it everyone got visited by the blue giant then?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Vector on February 02, 2010, 05:18:48 pm
So now Vector is in not six games, but three
The grand total is halved, as you see
Once again, I perish night one
Which greatly dimishes my fun
I'd save the bloke for lylo if 'twer up to me
Maybe he'll lynch yet another CT.

BAH.  Absolutely horrifically terrible poem, but still BAH.  I might be up for a sonnet, villanelle, or sestina next time, depending.

By the way, here's a particularly awesome sestina, to tide you over until then: Sestina (http://www.math.pacificu.edu/~emmons/dox/S_estina.pdf)
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 02, 2010, 05:24:30 pm
Nice death poem.

And that was bizarre. Poor RedWarrior0, though, talk about a near-impossible role!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ToonyMan on February 02, 2010, 05:26:27 pm
Man, if I were alive I would be tripping balls.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 02, 2010, 05:38:26 pm
On the topic of Toony, I'm still puzzled by his behavior day 1. It was incredibly anti-town and odd.

I mean, he never even explained his vote on me, despite my pointing out several times that he refused to respond logically to anything.

The following are still alive:
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

So, 3/8 are scum. Which means we need to find scum today.

Unfortunately, most of the people I had suspicions of died last night. I'll do a scan of day 1 and see what I can dig up on everyone who's still alive.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 02, 2010, 06:12:11 pm
So, 3/8 are scum. Which means we need to find scum today.

'Kay. Mephansteras, I don't believe the number of scum was stated anywhere that the town has access to.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Mephansteras on February 02, 2010, 06:19:14 pm
Actually, why don't we just ask the mod? This isn't a bastard game, after all.

@Mod: How many scum are there?
Can't comment on the number of scum, but there are three mafia members.

Sorry, 3/8 mafia. There could be a serial killer out there, or other 3rd parties. But my basic logic is the same.

As for my suspects...right now I'm most suspicious of Solifuge and Cobalt kobold.

@Solifuge: Why didn't you vote for anyone yesterday?

@Cobalt: 3/4 people you were FoS'd or voted yesterday have now been proven to be town. You seemed to be trying to cast a wide net of suspicion on a lot of people, and I'm starting to think that it was deliberate misdirection on your part.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 02, 2010, 07:48:43 pm
Ok...looks like 'ector targeted AN, mafia killed 'ector, and RW0 suicided.

I was fully expecting to wake up dead from giant-smash from the PM's look...

Day 2 Lylo? Rough.

I think I have the most normal role here, though it confuses me. going to need to look through again to get a good read. Thankful for the 4-day days..which, it looks like, actually are going to not get weekend-extended this go. Should be busy today probably, so yeah.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 02, 2010, 09:10:55 pm
I forgot about that after the extended night. Unvote.

CobaltKobold, do you think there might be any roles forcing an odd post requirement?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Solifuge on February 02, 2010, 09:53:22 pm
Solifuge: Why didn't you vote for anyone yesterday?

Because...
...I am nigh certain that ToonyMan isn't Scum, and has been falsely accused and subsequently dogpiled.

I also can't fight a tide of arguments, even if they seem to be looking less to prove WHO we should lynch, and more to prove why we should specifically lynch HIM. Truely, Scum Tells mean very little as a rubric for judging who to vote against, as it is subjective to opinion and emotion, impossible to verify, and easily twisted by Scum as something to hide your lynch movements behind. Moreover, how a player is acting depends on innumerable minor details which we can never know, and thus is imprecise at best, and outright wrong at worst.

Even so, it is all we have to go on at this juncture. I don't feel I've had adequate time to get solid reads on anyone, nor do I feel as though my vote would really do anything against the rising tide versus Toonyman. As such, I'll sit out this round. Here's hoping the night brings more evidence.

Surprise Surprise!
The obligatory post-lynch examination causes you to conclude that he was a Substitute.  After the most exhaustive background check that can be performed in five minutes, you also deduce that he was town aligned.

You go to bed, wondering why he felt this ability was such a handicap.



After he claimed and described his role, he seemed as though he would become the most powerful town ally, and would preserve all our lost powers. That any one in town voted to lynch him after his claim is ridiculous to me... and you were one of the ringleaders Mephansteras. If you try to spin this as a lynch on me now, you'll have some serious 'splaining to do.

P.S. I may or may not have been responsible for the blue giant incident. *coughs a few times*
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Eduren on February 02, 2010, 10:08:36 pm
After he claimed and described his role, he seemed as though he would become the most powerful town ally, and would preserve all our lost powers. That any one in town voted to lynch him after his claim is ridiculous to me... and you were one of the ringleaders Mephansteras. If you try to spin this as a lynch on me now, you'll have some serious 'splaining to do.

P.S. I may or may not have been responsible for the blue giant incident. *coughs a few times*
First of all, his claim didn't match his actions. That made it hard to beleive.
Second, you are focusing way too much on power roles.

Lets look at what would have happened had Toony been alive today. He would have TWO suicide conditions and would be forced to kill townies. Do you honestly believe that he could have been the most powerful player in the game?!? This was to be expected, even yesterday since this game is called "Horrible Role". We now know for sure that Toony could have been nothing but useless as far as "powers" are concerned.

He was, however, acting very scummy and was a reasonable first lynch. Your argument that he should have been preserved no matter how scummy he acted is idiotic at best. But now you are using it to lead a lynch on Meph?

Solifuge, explain yourself.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 02, 2010, 10:10:34 pm
Not to mention he would have become a Survivor!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 02, 2010, 10:31:00 pm
Hold on to your haberdashery: what is there to explain? I'm in no way leading a lynch on Meph... I'm defending myself against a lynch he's trying to lead on me. There is a difference. A big one.

My argument for lynching someone other than Toony was based on an assessment of his dangerousness to the town. I didn't agree with the bandwagon against him, and lo and behold I was right. But lets lynch the person who's trying to lynch the scum instead of the town, eh? I did not approve of the ToonyMan bandwagon, and I don't approve of bandwagoning now.

Also, to Vector's killer, please let me know if you recovered it or not.

Not to mention he would have become a Survivor!

His role stated that he inherited powers, not alignment.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 02, 2010, 10:40:43 pm
That any one in town voted to lynch him after his claim is ridiculous to me... and you were one of the ringleaders Mephansteras.
You have painted those behind the Toony lynch as scum. Specifically Meph.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 02, 2010, 11:51:02 pm
Yes, I was trying to get Toony lynched yesterday. He was acting extremely anti-town, and the power he claimed wasn't something that screamed town to me. Could have been any alignment. So, no, I didn't think that his claim should have made me change my vote when everything else he did and said screamed scum to me.

I was wrong, yes, but if he'd had done *anything* to prove himself I might have backed off. Like, explain why he was voting me with some actual reason instead of incorrectly using mafia terms.

And you're acting awfully defensive for someone that I FoS'd. You and Cobalt were the two that struck me as most suspicious from my scan. What makes you think I'm trying to start a bandwagon on you? I haven't even voted you yet!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 03, 2010, 12:34:58 am
I'm the first one put on the chopping block on Day 2, and thanks to that FoS, I've already got a vote. Naturally, I'm going to be a bit defensive. <_<

I'd rather like us to kill scum rather than town today, since we're down by 3 and a half already.

For starters, I'd like some clarification about last night. That blue giant thing might have been me, but I actually can't be sure. If anyone else has clues (I was stomped into the ground, and "killed") that might hint that it wasn't me, then I did something else, and I may be able to deduce what this was. It'd probably be good to know.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 03, 2010, 02:47:08 am
CobaltKobold, do you think there might be any roles forcing an odd post requirement?
Nothing's yet suggested it to me. I'll remember to keep it in mind when I look at the ...day one. :(
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 03, 2010, 10:45:45 am
CK: Vector posted the first thing today, and it was a poem. The same thing happened on the first day, with Nirur Torir. It may be some variety of conspiricy, random happenstance, or who knows... but it happened.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 11:30:40 am
Clarification: ToonyMan's alignment would remain town regardless of what abilities he picked up.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 03, 2010, 02:12:56 pm
I'm trying to think of what sorts of horrible roles Mafia might have. If I was the GM, I would have included a "no lying" role.

There's a very easy test for this, of course. Everybody, very clearly state which side you're on.

I'm a townie.

Those who still need to claim:
ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 02:14:11 pm
I'm a townie.

It'll be hilarious if you're right, Nirur! :)
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 03, 2010, 02:19:13 pm
Good call, and definitely worth testing. I'm a townie.

We may also want to say "I'm not Scum" to catch any townies with nebulous roles, or contrary win conditions.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Kashyyk on February 03, 2010, 02:31:05 pm
I'm a towny. I'm not scum.

This sounds more like something that would be used in a bastard mod, but it might work!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 02:33:35 pm
Fair enough. I'm not scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 03, 2010, 02:49:28 pm
I'm not scum.

ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ToonyMan on February 03, 2010, 02:50:09 pm
I'm not scum.

I am town.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 03:00:13 pm
You're dead!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 03, 2010, 04:14:39 pm
Never, ever write a list while mildly distressed if avoiding mistakes desirable. Which it should be.

Still waiting to hear from:

Pandarsenic
Eduren
ExKirby
CobaltKobold
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 03, 2010, 04:46:43 pm
Nirur's pulling my old scheme!

I am town-aligned.
I am not scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 03, 2010, 05:30:54 pm
Votecount:
Quote from: Leafsnail is not a member of any anti-town scumgroups, desu
Solifuge: Eduren
And a step to the right: Noone
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 05:39:37 pm
Nirur's pulling my old scheme!

What scheme is that?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 03, 2010, 05:55:39 pm
threatening that a truthchecker may exist.

Not quite, I guess.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 03, 2010, 06:42:16 pm
I am town-aligned. I am not scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 03, 2010, 06:43:49 pm
So we're still waiting on Pandarsenic and Exkirby.

Pandarsenic stated in another thread that he won't be checking any mafia games until tomorrow. So I guess we'll pressure him on it then.

Exkirby, what about you?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 04, 2010, 04:48:04 pm
Votes remain unchanged.

Deadline is tomorrow.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day One - The Mafia Has Eyes
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 04, 2010, 05:07:56 pm
Well... I thought the town was a little burned out... but I may be mixing up my games.
I think that was his last post here. On January 28th.
Prod request
ExKirby, get in here, town claim, and explain your lurking.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 04, 2010, 06:09:07 pm
Extension It's LyLo...
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 04, 2010, 06:49:54 pm
ExKirby has been prodded.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 07:01:44 pm
I'm not scum.

ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

I assume this means we have or may have a truthchecker?

I am not scum.

It's 3 mafia to 5 nonmafia now, right?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 04, 2010, 07:17:06 pm
You didn't townclaim. If you do, that only leaves Exkirby's suspicious silence.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 07:42:33 pm
I'm not scum.

ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

I assume this means we have or may have a truthchecker?

I am not scum.

It's 3 mafia to 5 nonmafia now, right?
You didn't townclaim. If you do, that only leaves Exkirby's suspicious silence.

?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 04, 2010, 07:48:12 pm
Repeat after me.

I am town-aligned. I am not scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 07:51:06 pm
Repeat after me.

I am town-aligned. I am not scum.


...
I'm not scum.

ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

I assume this means we have or may have a truthchecker?

I am not scum.

It's 3 mafia to 5 nonmafia now, right?
You didn't townclaim. If you do, that only leaves Exkirby's suspicious silence.

?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 04, 2010, 07:52:37 pm
Repeat after me.

I am town-aligned. I am not scum.


...
I'm not scum.

ToonyMan
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

I assume this means we have or may have a truthchecker?

I am not scum.

It's 3 mafia to 5 nonmafia now, right?
You didn't townclaim. If you do, that only leaves Exkirby's suspicious silence.

?

Oh, wait, I get it.

I am town-aligned. I am not scum.

-.-
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 04, 2010, 08:00:23 pm
Still entirely too little activity this game.

Surely the rest of you have *some* ideas on who's scum based on day 1.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 04, 2010, 08:04:08 pm
What about you Meph?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 04, 2010, 08:09:30 pm
I'm still suspicious of Cobalt and Solifuge. But I was really hoping that we'd get more conversation going on today so I could get a better read on people. We just don't have that much information at this point and we can't risk a mislynch.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 04, 2010, 10:52:37 pm
Still entirely too little activity this game.

Surely the rest of you have *some* ideas on who's scum based on day 1.
Eh, as you pointed out, I was dead wrong and haven't gotten around to figuring things out yet.

Tie = Nolynch right?
Solifuge purely to break the tie, as I rather doubt the town's capacity to avert mafiakill.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 05, 2010, 12:37:56 am
Extension request.


But do you think Solifuge is scum CK?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 05, 2010, 12:42:26 am
well, to break tie I needed to vote Exkirby or Solifuge.

Something feels off about Solifuge, and Exkirby is lurkmaster, so it's pretty arbitrary...
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 05, 2010, 12:51:50 am
A tie isn't going to happen, too much at stake. You might as well vote your mind because we need a day extension at this rate.

If you bastards aren't going to participate, the least you can do is help get an extension
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ExKirby on February 05, 2010, 02:49:48 am
Wait, I'm alive in this? The PM I got sent said I was dead, and I didn't check back.

I am town, not scum. I also claimed my role earlier .

Extension.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 05, 2010, 02:58:39 am
Really? I think it just said you were crushed, if it's like the one the rest of us got.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ExKirby on February 05, 2010, 02:59:44 am
Yes, and I took the meaning of crushed to be trampled on so badly that you are killed.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 05, 2010, 03:05:41 am
Its understandable.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 05, 2010, 03:16:10 am
I mean, I thought I was dead until I read the night's summary carefully.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 05, 2010, 03:16:44 am
Solifuges "may or may ot be responsible" bit feels off to me, btw.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 05, 2010, 11:16:27 am
True. Solifuge has been awfully...waffly about everything this game.

Thinking about it, I have to conclude that she's scum.

Day 1, she refused to vote at the end because she thought Toony was town (despite how scummy he was acting) and didn't think her vote anywhere else would matter.

Then she responds to light suspicion on my part by freaking out about me 'leading a bandwagon' on her. Despite the fact that I hadn't even voted for her yet and all that had happened so far was Eduren voting for her and me poking around trying to figure out who the most likely scum targets were.

Then she claims she 'may' or 'may not' have been responsible for the blue thing killing everyone last night. Which also seems odd, although without the other actions I don't think I'd have thought too much about it.

Overall she's been active-lurking, passive, overly defense, and generally hasn't done anything to help us find scum.

Solifuge is scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 05, 2010, 03:04:44 pm
Extension

I am suspicious of anyone expressing strong conviction to lynch anyone, since (as far as I can tell) we have no information to go on, and this is our last day if we mislynch. Town should realize this, and the natural reaction to this should be caution. Anyone carrying a torch and pitchfork right now is HIGHLY suspicious.

As such, FoS CobaltKobold and Mephansteras. Both have voiced strong convictions, while having nothing to go on, unless they're somehow in the know. Remember that we have 3 mafia out there, and an effective basic scum tactic is for scum to openly act suspicious of one another, without substantiating it with evidence that might sway anyone else.

Anyway, we lose if we mislynch today, so anyone with information should come foreward. I'd suggest a Mass Roleclaim, but at minimum anyone with information should come foreward.

Since I want to get some movement on this, I'll roleclaim. If anyone else has information to share, it might be a good time for it.

I am an Extremely Mad Scientist. I have 5 inventions, which I have to give away every night, and they give the target an ability or penalty. I had one invention called an Uzusifier, which didn't come with any explaination other than "Some kind of global ability, maybe?" I gave it to Vector last night, and my suspicion is that he either used it to summon the Blue Giants before dying, it killed him last night, or perhaps both.

Unless I'm about to be lynched, I'm not going to reveal the rest of my machines, suffice it to say that one of them has a small chance of keeping us from losing if we mislynch.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 05, 2010, 04:44:25 pm
Quote from: This space is no substitute for flavour
Solifuge: Eduren, CobaltKobold, Mephansteras
ExKirby: Nirur Torir
And a step to the right: CobaltKobold, Eduren, ExKirby, Solifuge

Yes, tie results in No Lynch.

Time warp request accepted.  Deadline is now at about 10pm GMT+0, monday.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 05, 2010, 04:52:02 pm
The following people still haven't voted.

Pandarsenic
ExKirby
Solifuge
Kashyyk

Which, with the extension, is fine. Still, I'd like to hear what you think. Well, we've heard from Solifuge, but not the other three.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 06, 2010, 10:49:42 pm
Reminder that day ends tomorrow.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 06, 2010, 10:58:49 pm
in...17 hours or so? rrr.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 06, 2010, 11:42:51 pm
And...still those four haven't voted. Or talked since then. Come on, people, it's no fun if no one plays!!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 06, 2010, 11:49:56 pm
Quote from: Leafy-kun
Signups (11/12 alive):
why do I have this horrible feeling
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 06, 2010, 11:52:29 pm
Quote from: Leafy-kun
Signups (11/12 alive):
why do I have this horrible feeling
This is a question for the moderator, why does it say this? Is it in error?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 07, 2010, 07:05:19 am
Yes, it is an error.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Kashyyk on February 07, 2010, 07:20:43 am
sorry, I'm hear now. I had maths coursework.

Anyway, you guys do realize it's mylo now right?

Anyway, Solifuge: You've been FoSing people but not voting, how come?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 08, 2010, 08:58:29 am
That sounds like you answered your own question, but "she's scum" will also hold.

I think one of my powers makes a day last 8 RL days before extends/shortens. I don't think the town would last.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 08, 2010, 10:35:37 am
Though an extremely neat power idea, with the present rate of attrition I don’t suspect that would be terribly useful to Town, Cobalt.

Insofar as the vote goes, I wish more people would come forward… but people seem to have slipped away into solemn silence. In the interest of getting things/keeping them moving, Mephansteras is the only one I have reasonable suspicion over. Meph, a role-claim would help our case, as I know you happen to be active. We’re currently in the final countdown.

P.S. Mind bumping the players, Leafy?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 08, 2010, 10:39:08 am
I don't need a prod. I'm just not sure who to go after, and am procrastinating combing through the thread to find a target.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 08, 2010, 10:56:18 am
Pandarsenic Why have you done nothing today, aside from respond to my mass inquiry?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 08, 2010, 11:16:00 am
Well, if it's the entire town lurking, I tend to prod on the thread.

Also, extensions will still be accepted.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ExKirby on February 08, 2010, 11:21:08 am
What the bloody-? I thought I placed my vote on Soli because his role seems to positive.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 08, 2010, 12:51:23 pm
Ok. I'm the Overconfident Guy. Who's amazing power is that I can't unvote once my vote is cast.

Which is why I held off so long on voting today. I can't switch once I cast a vote, so I have to be pretty sure of what I'm doing.

Of course, I completely forgot about that yesterday when I random-voted Toonyman. Which made me feel like an idiot until he panicked about everything. I had been thinking of role-claiming that day and just telling everyone to disregard my vote, but...he gave me too many reasons to be honestly suspicious of him for me to bother.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 08, 2010, 12:54:35 pm
I assure you, most of my inventions do bad things. These, however, can be weaponized given reasonable suspicion. If it would allay your fears, I can provide some examples, but I'd like to avoid showing scum just how I can thwart them.

It's a "Horrible" version of the Mad Scientist, who normally can use their own equipment... in this case I HAVE to give them away each night, and can't give anything beneficial to myself. Also, one of them was an unknown "Global Ability"... again, this might have been the giants, and might not have been. I'm still not quite sure what they did, other than make people think they were dead.

Speaking of which, does the name "Uzusifier" imply anything to anyone?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ExKirby on February 08, 2010, 01:03:39 pm
Yes, an Uzi which gives the town an extra NK. Or scum.

Like I said earlier, my role is the Voodoo Medium.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 08, 2010, 02:52:54 pm
Quote from: The Clock's Still Ticking
Solifuge: Eduren, CobaltKobold, Mephansteras, ExKirby
Pandarsenic: Nirur Torir
Mephansteras: Solifuge
Put your hands on your hips: Noone

Deadline is at about 10pm GMT+0, today.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ExKirby on February 08, 2010, 02:57:21 pm
Do we need an extension?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 08, 2010, 03:38:35 pm
Though an extremely neat power idea, with the present rate of attrition I don’t suspect that would be terribly useful to Town, Cobalt.
...*points to the gametitle*

It's only my guess at what "Endless Eight" does.

I don't think we need an extension, since town seems to be agreed to lynch on mylo
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 08, 2010, 04:29:46 pm
Those of you voting to lynch me need to reconsider, or we've lost. Given the circumstances of the game itself, we're pretty strapped for concrete evidence too, so I understand the number of gut-instinct votes going on right now, but it's not a sensible the way to win.

If I am left alive today, I can offer us a shot at mislynch insurance: as a town, you would need to vote on a second player which you suspect of being scum. In the night, I will attach my Skulkifier to them. This machine causes a player to die if they are targeted by any other night actions. As such, we would have players with night actions target that player, and they would die. We lose if we mislynch today, and I am a mislynch. This plan would at least give us 2 shots.

Also, I might draw attention to the fact that the very Bandwagon that I feared Mephansteras' would start has indeed come to pass. Moreover, we're still acting like it's Day 1 Random Lynch time, when everything hangs on this vote. I'm trying to provide us with the best logical shot at nailing at least one Scum today, if not (ideally) two. Also, there are a large number of non-voters and lurkers (some have claimed otherwise) who haven't contributed anything useful, and if Scum are among them, they probably are just relaxing while the Town destroys itself.

Also, Unvote Mephansteras. Once I get home from work, I'll have to give players another honest look, in light of today's activity.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 08, 2010, 04:36:44 pm
Day ends in about 20 minutes, if no extensions are heard.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: ExKirby on February 08, 2010, 04:43:11 pm
Way to WIFOM, Soli.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 08, 2010, 04:43:29 pm
I was totally under the impression that this was 10pm my time. Carp.

Can we do the Time Warp again?
Extension! For great justice!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 08, 2010, 04:48:57 pm
In the interest of not editing:

Exkirby, you totally don't need to gloat right now.

Since I doubt the extension of this game, I'm going to call my scum suspects now, so I can say "I told you so."

Exkirby (Vodoo Medium my arse), Pandarsenic (Engage Lurking Field!), and... actually I don't know past there. I haven't had the time to process everyone.

Also, if you don't believe my role claim, look at my first posts. I was, of course, referring to Dr. Emmet Brown, from Back to the Future... an equally mad scientist.

P.S. Once again, you're all a bunch of punks. I'm never going to live DF Mafia 3 down. >:(
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 08, 2010, 05:26:41 pm
One request heard.  Deadline extended for one hour.

3 more requests required to extend deadline.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 08, 2010, 06:09:39 pm
I'm really one to say this considering how much I lurked, but Extension please.

This bandwagon on one person is a bit odd for Solifuge to be scum, I think. No real attempts by them to shift the blame, even slightly? It wouldn't take much at LyLo. I suspect that two scum are attacking Solifuge. The remaining one is lurking.

We may be tired, but the game doesn't need to be over yet.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 08, 2010, 06:12:53 pm
Oh, and my roleclaim. I'm a Good Samaritan. I give my vote away to somebody else, granting them two votes for a day. Last night I gave it to Solifuge.

If Solifuge was scum, the mafia could have overpowered us.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 08, 2010, 06:16:03 pm
I can verify Nirur Torir's statement. Someone approached me last night, and gave me their vote. If I were Mafia, I would have had my buddies and I gang up on someone, since we could get a definite majority.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 08, 2010, 06:26:19 pm
Fuck. Alright, good enough for me. Unvote Solifuge. You may have been a little quick to call Toony an "asset" but your recent behavior is town.

Extension por favor.

Since this is mylo and every vote counts, I might as well claim so there are no mixups. I'm the Sticky Voter. If you vote me, you can't unvote me. If you are planning on voting me, you better be damn sure you want to.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 08, 2010, 06:30:41 pm
Since my vote is an empty one, I'm going to test that.

Unvote. Vote Eduren. Unvote.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 08, 2010, 07:04:07 pm
Fair enough, Soli.

I can't unvote, of course, but I no longer think it likely that you're scum.

I think we have enough for an extension but, Extension
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 08, 2010, 09:06:57 pm
Extension request accepted.  Deadline is now about 10pm GMT +0 Tuesday.

Votecount:
Quote
Solifuge: CobaltKobold, Mephansteras, ExKirby
Eduren: Nirur Torir
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 09, 2010, 12:03:48 am
odds that Solifuge is mafia dropped, but Nirur 'ould be 'overing for her.

Still, it's mylo, so that's good enough for now. unvote

tie between nolyn'h and person = nolyn'h right?

nolynch

Need someone else (preferably not Solifuge) to vote nolynch.

P.s. N1: Desert Island Syndrome
Anyone know what the Day of Sagittarius stands for?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Eduren on February 09, 2010, 12:48:10 am
Votecount:
Quote
Solifuge: CobaltKobold, Mephansteras, ExKirby
Eduren: Nirur Torir
There's your proof Nirur.


Nolynch might be risky, seeing as there was 3 deaths last night. It wouldn't surprise me if there was more than one tonight.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 09, 2010, 04:26:09 am
ex'ept there's now 1 fewer killer, and I'm pretty sure that one was sui'ide.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Solifuge on February 09, 2010, 10:50:08 am
I don't like the idea of a nolynch either, since it gives the Scum just one less vote than the Town... and probably will end in 2 deaths.

CobaltKobold, I still don't like your early conviction without solid evidence today, and I don't like ExKirby's gloating and lurk/bandwagon combo. The role sounds like it could be scummy too, but I don't want to go on that basis. The push for a NoLynch now, which will also be harmful to town. There are a lot of scum out there, and as Town we shouldn't surrender the one power we have that is NOT horrible, IE the Day Kill.

And so I ask everyone, who do you most want to be killed?

My vote is for ExKirby.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 09, 2010, 01:50:33 pm
My gut says CK, but I can't figure out why.

I just can't seem to get a scum read on anyone, and questioning is unlikely to result in much now that my 'empty' vote is a known factor.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 09, 2010, 06:12:06 pm
*pokes the dusk*
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Leafsnail on February 09, 2010, 06:14:57 pm
Yeah, sorry.  Day finished.  Flavour coming soon.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Night Two - No Lynch All Lurkers
Post by: Leafsnail on February 09, 2010, 06:30:32 pm
You take a look at the final votecount.  As you do, the tablet reveals its horrible role, and crumbles to dust.  Ah well.  You'll sure you'll get votecounts somehow.
Quote
Solifuge: Mephansteras, ExKirby
Eduren: Nirur Torir
ExKirby: Solifuge
No Lynch: CobaltKobold
The outcome is obviously a tie, and thus No Lynch.  You do not stop to question why or how.  All you know is that No Lynch has been reached, and, goddamnit, no lynch is what's gonna happen.  Screw these gaming abstractions.

You go to bed hoping tonight won't be quite so chaotic.


It is now night 2.  Those with night actions send them in.  Post haste.

Survivors:
Pandarsenic
Nirur Torir
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Leafsnail on February 12, 2010, 11:15:07 am
You wake up, but find that a haze of confusion has descended over everything.  You can feel it pressing at your minds, preventing you from discovering the truth.  You can, however, see that Nirur Torir is not among you.  You head to his house, but the fog of war prevents you from discovering his alignment or his identity.  You can tell, however, that he was shot.

Survivors:
Pandarsenic
Eduren
ExKirby
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

Deadline is on thursday.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Solifuge on February 12, 2010, 11:41:42 am
Capricious fate! What cru'el will you show
When guns ring silent through the passing night
As one by one we, lynched or murdered, go
And with each death, more dark becomes our plight.

A plot, concieved in desperations hour,
Thought to unmake the murderer's disguise,
But breaking curfew made this plan go sour,
With me now left, amidst my bluffs and lies.

And yet, I feel the murder on night two,
Should have been me, Nirur Torir, not you.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Leafsnail on February 12, 2010, 12:49:59 pm
Pms sent in the night.  If any of these pms are seen to have a large affect on the game, you can raise the issue with me privately.
Quote from: Solifuge to ExKirby
Merry Christmas. Hope you enjoy your present!
...BTW, if I die tonight, you die too. Isn't that grand?

*skips off, cackling*
Quote from: Solifuge to CobaltKobold
Sorry to do this on a whim, but it's for insurance reasons, and you're my #1 suspect.
With this one, you and me die together. Isn't that grand?

*skips off, cackling*
Quote from: Solifuge to Nirur Torir
Alright. You've shown that you're about 85% trustworthy, and since you already have a night-based power, I'm willing to bank on it. As such I'm going to need to rely on you for a last-ditch gambit.

I'm counting on dying tonight, but I've set up a scenario with my power that should out at least 1 Scum on Day 3. If I'm alive tomorrow, either ExKirby or CobaltKobold are Scum, but not both of them. If I am dead, then either they both are Scum, or they both are Town.

The reason we can deduce this is because both of them received PMs that I attached a machine to them, which will kill them if I die tonight. This is only a partial bluff; a machine was, indeed, attached to ExKirby. It will kill him if he is ever targeted by a night ability.

As such, I need you to give him your vote, which will kill him. We can use his role-flip the next Day, and whether or not I am dead to deduce if CobaltKobold was in cahoots with him or not: If they're both Scum, they'll share information about the PMs, and realize it was a bluff. If only one are Scum, they'll most likely take the bait and kill someone else to preserve themselves. Of the two, I'm pretty sure he is Scum. I don't know about CK though.

Anyway, I can't pull this off without your backup. If you'd like the insurance, I will send a simple message to a suspected neutral party that "The thing that Nirur will say tomorrow is true. Don't show publicly that you trust him, until the Scum try to get him lynched. If he is dead tomorrow morning instead of me, I will explain everything."

Sound good to you?

P.S. My suspects for Scum are anyone that claim to have a Day power, such as Mephansteras' "Overconfident Guy", ExKirby's "Voodoo Medium", and maybe Eduren's "Sticky Voter". Though the power checks out, I suspect that it is a "Horrible Scum Role", much like a "Horrible Town Role".

P.P.S. There is a check in place, just in case you're Scum. It'll muck up the Scum Detection plan, but will at least out your allegiance. It also leaves me dead, so please don't be Scum. :P
Quote from: Solifuge to Kashyyk
I don't need to have your trust, nor do you have to trust me for this to work. All you need to do is know this.

When I am dead tomorrow, the thing that a lurker will say on my behalf will be true. You will recognize it when it is said. Don't show publicly that you trust the lurker, until another player makes a move against them, possibly to lynch. Whatever you do, do NOT accuse this lurker, or it will render this plan useless to Town.

The first players to vote against the lurker will most likely be Scum. Inform the one lurker of this for me, if they haven't already realized it. However, if neither of the players with machines attached to them died of fright last night, then the lurker is actually Scum. This is unlikely to occur.

Also, if I am alive tomorrow, I will explain the relevant details. This is a contingency, anticipating my death. So long as I die tonight, Town will win.

Last, if it is proven that the lurker who speaks on my behalf is trustworthy following the above guidance, reveal your role to them in private. If they are proven distrustworthy, make a public roleclaim: it need not be true, but truth might save you.

This message isn't important for now, and will be useless to Scum. It will be important tomorrow.
Quote from: Solifuge to Nirur Torir
One last thing: If Kashykk votes against you tomorrow after you come forward with this info, then (s)he is Scum. If (s)he doesn't, (s)he may or may not be.

Okay, I've given the Mafia a plate full of crisscrossing WIFOM to trip them up, and the town a knot that leads to the truth. A job well done, I should say. That, or I hopelessly Obfuscated the entire game, and Town loses.

Either way, it'll be fun!
Quote from: ExKirby to Solifuge
Mother of all bitches, you bitch. You are most surely scum.
Quote from: Solifuge to Nirur Torir
Wait up one sec on giving your vote to ExKirby. He might be clean.

I'mma bluff a bit more, just to make sure he's the most likely target.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Solifuge on February 12, 2010, 01:24:17 pm
...Awkward.

Also, extremely embarrasing. I totally win at basic reading comprehension, and not ruining everything. Were it not mylo, I would gladly off myself out of shame right now.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Mephansteras on February 12, 2010, 01:48:46 pm
Eh, that's all right.

It does effect things, though, since we can pretty much assume that since you *didn't* die that the scum got your PMs during the night.

Which means that ExKirby or CobaltKobold are probably scum (although ExKirby's response does lead away from that).

I'm pretty sure that Niur was town at this point, since only one person died last night and his actions yesterday indicated that he was town. The 'fog of war' makes it possible that he was scum, but we should assume that we've still got 3 scum to deal with. So we're still at mylo!

Does your PM to Kashyyk mean that you think he's probably town?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Solifuge on February 12, 2010, 03:18:19 pm
Everyone was instructed to disregard everything the PMs said. I also thought I was going to be modkilled as well, but I wasn't, and I'm hoping that people that were going to kill me didn't decide not to on either basis.

Also, I don't have a definite for any of those players, as far as what my thinking was. I meant to create a scenario where they would out one another by their action/inaction, in sort of a 4-person series of logical deductions.

As for Nirur, I think he might have been one of the "Non-Town" people that Leaf wasn't at liberty to mention.

Queary: Who was approached by Nirur Torir with a free vote last night?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Mephansteras on February 12, 2010, 03:20:43 pm
Hmmm, ok, if everyone actually did disregard your PMs then I suppose we can't go off of that. Hard to know for sure, of course, but I prefer to assume that everyone is playing the game in good faith.

And I did not get approached by Niur last night.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 12, 2010, 03:56:59 pm
Cobalt appears in an orange seifuku, over black short-sleeved buttoned shirt, wearing a broad green armband.
It is LYLO and the Day of Sagittarius.

So how do you think the "tie" happened yesterday? clearly nobody's doublevoter as that is not a horrible role. I'm betting on Exkirby or Mephansteras being nonvoter scum.

Unless someone can deduce the effect of ability "Desert Island Syndrome".

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 12, 2010, 04:00:54 pm
Oh, and my roleclaim. I'm a Good Samaritan. I give my vote away to somebody else, granting them two votes for a day. Last night I gave it to Solifuge.

If Solifuge was scum, the mafia could have overpowered us.

Solifuge voted for ExKirby. So, two-two would give us a tie.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 12, 2010, 04:05:30 pm
...Oh. Right.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Eduren on February 12, 2010, 09:56:30 pm
Soli, I don't quite understand what your plan was.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Solifuge on February 13, 2010, 12:11:45 am
I could take the time to explain it, but it's really not important now.

Spoiler: The Plan (click to show/hide)

Nirur Torir gave me his vote yesterday, and that allowed yesterday to be a tie.

Solifuge, your scheme is, frankly, horrible, if I read how you're saying it works correctly. If you think that Exkirby is scum, then you can't actually lynch him now that you're sibs, because you'd die too, 1:1, and the nightkill would give them the equality needed to win.

Voting and exploding both of you would be fine (if one scum/one town), because it'd be like lynching a Hated mafioso- you get a lack of night.

CobaltKobold, did you intend to FoS me there? I find this very interesting. Especially because you just advocated lynching me to kill ExKirby as well. You assumed that my ability would take both of us down, saying that this was "A good idea if one was town, and one was scum".

Its strange also that you just assumed ExKirby is scum based on my suspicions, without even questioning it... it's almost as though you hoped that we were siblings, and that you could seal a victory by killing 2 townies in one lynch.

CobaltKobold I am calling you out.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Eduren on February 13, 2010, 12:17:59 pm
It seems that ExKirby is asking to be replaced in this.

Also. Kashyyk. Get out of the shadows. What is up with you?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Leafsnail on February 13, 2010, 12:38:44 pm
Kashyyk and ExKirby have both requested replacements.

I myself will be away from monday, but only until thursday, so it shouldn't affect the running of the game.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Vector on February 13, 2010, 12:39:30 pm
Notice will be up on the signboard once I've finished starting BMIX up ._.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Eduren on February 13, 2010, 12:39:58 pm
*groan*
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Solifuge on February 13, 2010, 01:44:52 pm
Quick, while he's gone, let's lynch everybody!

No seriously. CobaltKobold and Eduren are probably scum. ExKirby reacted with panicked You Must Be Scum behavior, so I think he's clean anyway.

Also, why is it that all the people I PMed suddenly die or want replacements. Am I that unpleasant?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Eduren on February 13, 2010, 02:22:17 pm
Quick, while he's gone, let's lynch everybody!

No seriously. CobaltKobold and Eduren are probably scum. ExKirby reacted with panicked You Must Be Scum behavior, so I think he's clean anyway.

Also, why is it that all the people I PMed suddenly die or want replacements. Am I that unpleasant?
That came out of nowhere. Why?


Unvote. Since replacements are fun.

Meph, you don't seem to concerned about lylo. Who is scum?

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 13, 2010, 05:34:39 pm
Solifuge, your scheme is, frankly, horrible, if I read how you're saying it works correctly. If you think that Exkirby is scum, then you can't actually lynch him now that you're sibs, because you'd die too, 1:1, and the nightkill would give them the equality needed to win.

Voting and exploding both of you would be fine (if one scum/one town), because it'd be like lynching a Hated mafioso- you get a lack of night.

CobaltKobold, did you intend to FoS me there? I find this very interesting. Especially because you just advocated lynching me to kill ExKirby as well. You assumed that my ability would take both of us down, saying that this was "A good idea if one was town, and one was scum".

Its strange also that you just assumed ExKirby is scum based on my suspicions, without even questioning it... it's almost as though you hoped that we were siblings, and that you could seal a victory by killing 2 townies in one lynch.

CobaltKobold I am calling you out.
You misread me. I said lynching the sibs are a bad idea, because dropping town and mafia both one and shifting to night phase is equivalent to nolynching in (non-3p) lylo, handing the mafia the win. (Similarly bad is the case whereby you're both town.) I'd only want to lynch a mafia-sib if it were 3p lylo, because any earlier lylo wins for mafia. And, if you control your sibbing, then it's unlikely you'll pick your scumbuddy, unless that's part of the ability.

What I said was that, if at least one of you is scum (my hypothesis being on YOU, not Exkirby, hence why the FoS is on you) and the "blows up when voted" thing is on, and you're still sibbed...then, unless I thought both of you were town (I don't) I'd go with it, because it'd be like a correct lylo lynch followed by NK, since it would be dayphase with each side down one.

CONCLUSION: Stop putting words in my mouth, scum.



Finally it's LYLO. You don't vote unless you're damn sure you're voting scum or b. you ARE scum- because if you vote nonscum, the scum can quickhammer FTW Oh, right, deadlines.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 13, 2010, 06:07:48 pm
Despite my, ah, economized posting, CobaltKobold, there was never anything like that, unless you mean the Skulkifier, which Solifuge wanted to use in conjunction with the Nonvoting Motivator's power to kill someone. Were you just trying to get us to mislynch?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 13, 2010, 06:51:38 pm
Quote from: Solifuge to Nirur Torir
Alright. You've shown that you're about 85% trustworthy, and since you already have a night-based power, I'm willing to bank on it. As such I'm going to need to rely on you for a last-ditch gambit.

I'm counting on dying tonight, but I've set up a scenario with my power that should out at least 1 Scum on Day 3. If I'm alive tomorrow, either ExKirby or CobaltKobold are Scum, but not both of them. If I am dead, then either they both are Scum, or they both are Town.

The reason we can deduce this is because both of them received PMs that I attached a machine to them, which will kill them if I die tonight. This is only a partial bluff; a machine was, indeed, attached to ExKirby. It will kill him if he is ever targeted by a night ability.

As such, I need you to give him your vote, which will kill him. We can use his role-flip the next Day, and whether or not I am dead to deduce if CobaltKobold was in cahoots with him or not: If they're both Scum, they'll share information about the PMs, and realize it was a bluff. If only one are Scum, they'll most likely take the bait and kill someone else to preserve themselves. Of the two, I'm pretty sure he is Scum. I don't know about CK though.

Anyway, I can't pull this off without your backup. If you'd like the insurance, I will send a simple message to a suspected neutral party that "The thing that Nirur will say tomorrow is true. Don't show publicly that you trust him, until the Scum try to get him lynched. If he is dead tomorrow morning instead of me, I will explain everything."

Sound good to you?

P.S. My suspects for Scum are anyone that claim to have a Day power, such as Mephansteras' "Overconfident Guy", ExKirby's "Voodoo Medium", and maybe Eduren's "Sticky Voter". Though the power checks out, I suspect that it is a "Horrible Scum Role", much like a "Horrible Town Role".

P.P.S. There is a check in place, just in case you're Scum. It'll muck up the Scum Detection plan, but will at least out your allegiance. It also leaves me dead, so please don't be Scum. :P
Number of people attacking me with outright falsehoods: 2
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 13, 2010, 06:53:15 pm
Oh. I misread the meaning of "give him your vote" as "vote for him". My mistake.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Mephansteras on February 13, 2010, 09:15:30 pm
Meph, you don't seem to concerned about lylo. Who is scum?

Where do you get that from? I've been a bit busy the last few days so I haven't been as active as I'd like, but I've been doing what I can to make sure we don't lynch anyone based on bad info.

As for who's scum...I'm not positive. I'm guessing not Solifuge, and probably not ExKirby. Everyone else is suspect.

I'm going to try to do a full scan of everyone once I get a chance.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Solifuge on February 14, 2010, 01:25:37 am
I'm betting on Exkirby or Mephansteras being nonvoter scum.

What I said was that, if at least one of you is scum (my hypothesis being on YOU, not Exkirby, hence why the FoS is on you) and the "blows up when voted" thing is on, and you're still sibbed...then, unless I thought both of you were town (I don't) I'd go with it, because it'd be like a correct lylo lynch followed by NK, since it would be dayphase with each side down one.

So you think ExKirby is Scum, then I call you out, and suddenly he's clean and I'm scum, eh?

CobaltKobold has gained a level! CobaltKobold has learned "OMGUS"!
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Solifuge on February 14, 2010, 01:28:54 am
I somehow butchered the above quote dates in copy/pasting, but corrected it.

The last 7 digits of the date weren't copied, and we ended up in 1969.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 14, 2010, 03:12:57 am
...That's not even what OMGUS means. :|

The 'scum' part was because I didn't really believe that town would get a nonvoter role, since it would reduce their daygame so much.

You're really grasping at straws to try to frame me here.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 14, 2010, 03:17:49 am
Especially since I was already corrected on what was causing the tie- the actual being Nirur's Samaritan vote.

Your scheme reeks to sky of WIFOM too.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Solifuge on February 14, 2010, 10:38:08 am
OMGUS - Oh My God, You Suck

When I hear it used, it is as a retaliation against someone else who votes for you. Usually describing a sudden change in agenda.

Also, there's no need to "try hard to frame you". I'm only pointing out the obvious scummy statements/actions that you just gave. You're scrambling to preserve yourself, explaining why I'm wrong to vote for you by changing your story every time I call you on something. "Oh no guys, I didn't mean it like that!", etc. Additionally, the whole "feigning ignorance" on repeated rules questions and role details is a weak attempt at appearing inept or harmless.

More telling than these, while you've been working so hard to save your own skin, you've not made a move to scumhunt. You've been passively casting suspicion since day 1, have only given the most nebulous details about your role when near everyone else claimed, and have only taken action when threatened by other players.

I'm sure you'll have explanations for each, though. Please share.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: dakarian on February 14, 2010, 12:13:34 pm
*Solifuge I swear the 'level' comment was quoting Pokemon but for some reason I have the Romancing Saga 3 victory song in my head.  Not a bad thing IMO*

When Person A votes for Person B and, in response, Person B attacks and votes Person A for it, it is an OMGUS. 

Litia: Dakarian just did 50 scumtells already.  Vote Dakarian

Dakarian:  Oh My God!  You Suck!   Vote Litia.

(the phrase started because someone actually did say and do that in response to a vote on them.)

Note that it's not JUST voting for the person who voted on you.  It's when the reason why you go after them is because they voted on you. 

*puts down Trainer's Cap and slinks away, but not before mentioning something to the host with a quick point at the "Help Wanted" sign*
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: Mephansteras on February 14, 2010, 02:37:02 pm
Still entirely too little activity this game.

Surely the rest of you have *some* ideas on who's scum based on day 1.
Eh, as you pointed out, I was dead wrong and haven't gotten around to figuring things out yet.

Tie = Nolynch right?
Solifuge purely to break the tie, as I rather doubt the town's capacity to avert mafiakill.

CobaltKobold, what was up with this statement? You really preferred a potential mislynch to a no-lynch at mylo?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Eduren on February 14, 2010, 02:49:31 pm
Quick, while he's gone, let's lynch everybody!

No seriously. CobaltKobold and Eduren are probably scum. ExKirby reacted with panicked You Must Be Scum behavior, so I think he's clean anyway.

Also, why is it that all the people I PMed suddenly die or want replacements. Am I that unpleasant?
That came out of nowhere. Why?

Soli, can you answer this?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Leafsnail on February 14, 2010, 04:04:54 pm
Dakarian has replaced ExKirby and received all role info relating to him.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: dakarian on February 14, 2010, 05:59:12 pm
And now to find out what in the world has happened. 
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Two - Jolly Blue Giant
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 14, 2010, 06:14:56 pm
Solifuge: I 'only' FoS'd you because of how I read the abilities, making it look rather antitown. I sought to collect more information to confirm/avert my interpretations. Since they're just a web of lies, I'm not thinking it points definitively to you being scum.
Still entirely too little activity this game.

Surely the rest of you have *some* ideas on who's scum based on day 1.
Eh, as you pointed out, I was dead wrong and haven't gotten around to figuring things out yet.

Tie = Nolynch right?
Solifuge purely to break the tie, as I rather doubt the town's capacity to avert mafiakill.

CobaltKobold, what was up with this statement? You really preferred a potential mislynch to a no-lynch at mylo?
It's funny, 'cause then you and Exkirby voted her right after me. Which makes your question-raising hypocritical as you piled on the bandwagon,(3rd/4th votes!) trying to get Solifuge lynched.

And you have a stated power that prevents you from unvoting, unlike me, so you actually have a reason to be cautious. (For the record, I have nothing talking about votes in my role.)

If I'm wrong, then you're that much more wrong. Mephansteras  is scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 14, 2010, 08:30:57 pm
I gave reasons for my vote, Cobalt. You didn't. You just voted her to 'break a tie', despite the fact that we were at mylo. Which implies that you were more worried about *not* lynching someone then actually finding scum.

So, no, it's not hypocritical. Nor was I simply jumping on a bandwagon. I waited until I had good reason to be suspicious of someone before voting.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - Two Replacements Needed
Post by: Solifuge on February 15, 2010, 12:24:41 am
Quick, while he's gone, let's lynch everybody!

No seriously. CobaltKobold and Eduren are probably scum. ExKirby reacted with panicked You Must Be Scum behavior, so I think he's clean anyway.

Also, why is it that all the people I PMed suddenly die or want replacements. Am I that unpleasant?
That came out of nowhere. Why?

Soli, can you answer this?

Eduren, you're just a suspicion, and this is merely based on passive "activity". Same suspicion as I voiced before. Metagame Intuition says that your role seems like a "Horrible Scum Role" much like the "Horrible Town Roles", in that votes tend to accumulate on you.

You've not a case against you though, so no big worries.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Eduren on February 15, 2010, 12:44:15 am
K, thanks for clarification.

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 15, 2010, 07:21:59 am
Ok, leaving for my holiday now.  I'll be back on thursday/ friday, so the day won't end until then.  Kashyyk says he'll be back on friday too, so a replacement shouldn't be needed after all.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 16, 2010, 01:38:40 pm
Which means that it's up to us to deal with lurkers.

We're doomed.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: dakarian on February 16, 2010, 07:45:11 pm
Apologies for being one.  RL grabbed me during the weekend.  Working on the widescan piece by piece.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 16, 2010, 07:54:15 pm
I'm in a similar boat. I was online only in short bursts over the weekend and my workday has been pretty full today.

I'll try to get some more time in tonight.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 17, 2010, 07:05:01 pm
Apologies for being one.  RL grabbed me during the weekend.  Working on the widescan piece by piece.
Marco.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 17, 2010, 07:24:33 pm
Polo!

Oh, that wasn't at me? Oops. :P

Seriously, though, I'm looking through things right now.

Just to get my thoughts in order, though, and hopefully spark some debate:

We have these people still alive:

Pandarsenic
Eduren
Dakarian
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

3/7 are Mafia. Which means we're in lylo and need to choose correctly. However, it also means that we have a very high chance of lynching scum. None of which matters if we don't actually get some participation out of people.

Most suspicious people to me right now are:

CobaltKobold, for making lots of scummy statements throughout the game followed by lots of backpedaling and extra 'explanations' when it's pointed out.

Solifuge, for quite a few strange actions and questionable decisions. For example, you said you thought Eduren was scum but as soon as he asked about it you backpedaled and said he 'shouldn't worry about it'. Did you not actually suspect he was scum? I was going with your 'If I had two votes and was scum we'd have just won' argument to mostly clear you as town, but just now I realized that if the scum had a non-voter, that wouldn't hold up. So now I'm not so sure.

Pandarsenic, for excessive lurking. Kashyyk has also been lurky, but he's *always* lurky. Panda, not so much.  So, what's up with that, Panda?

We only have another day or two before Leaf comes back. Let's use this time!

I will cast my vote Thursday at the latest.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 17, 2010, 08:32:22 pm
Mephansteras, I think my economized posting not being optional was pretty obvious, probably assigned to me *because* I'm so active normally. And isn't Kashyyk up for replacement?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 17, 2010, 08:40:19 pm
So it's role based?

I guess that makes sense. Or is at least unprovable. Still, even with conditional posting of some sort you could participate more. At least say who you are suspicious of and vote, if nothing else.

And Kashyyk isn't being replaced I think because he'll be back about when Leafsnail is.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: dakarian on February 17, 2010, 10:23:36 pm
Ok, finally did a run through the thread.  So far something stood out for me: 

Hey Meph, now I know you claimed to be Overconfident and, thus, can't remove a vote once you place it, but explain to me this:

1: Why did you vote during your RV if you KNEW you couldn't remove it?  It wasn't even a proper attack, but a real RV and the second post ever in the game.  So why damn ToonyMan with it?

2:  Why did you claim that Toony was just wanting to lynch anyone the second he applied ANY pressure on you?  And yes, it was clearly PRESSURE, not a 'desire to lynch anyone'. 

I also note that you make no effort to explain the deal with your vote.  You're fully content to let it sit even before you felt that Toony was really scum and play it off like you meant to just stay on him anyway.

3. Why did you do nothing to go after anyone else?  You don't need to vote to attack others.  FoS or just simple pressures would do as well.  Instead, you aimed ONLY at TOonyman.


4.  D2 brings this mess:

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On the topic of Toony, I'm still puzzled by his behavior day 1. It was incredibly anti-town and odd.

I mean, he never even explained his vote on me, despite my pointing out several times that he refused to respond logically to anything.

Right off the gate you defend yourself over what happened with ToonyMan.  No one had any time to mention it.  You then hold your vote for a while but later start up on Soli (who's been after you) and eventually plop a vote on her. 

Once she comes in with ONE counter after your first real attack on her, you 'pull back' but.. OH, you can't because you can't remove your vote.

btw, saying that you are scared to vote because of it in Day 2 doesn't mean a hill of beans when you RV with it D1.


So you back off saying Soli is town, but the day ends since the town is half inactive and your vote puts Soli on top.  The ONLY reason why she's alive is due to some voting role altering everything.


So you vote on one person instantly KNOWING YOU CAN'T UNVOTE and act like you always meant to do it even when you didn't have a strong suspicion on them.  You then vote for another D2 but cover by saying that you goofed and can't unvote even though the action still almost killed that person as well.


Meanwhile, you've been either passive or quick to cast such a dangerous vote.  You almost never question anyone seriously, never put much pressure on them, talk passively, and try to find a way to cover over your 'mistake vote' before the reckoning comes. 

Nah, you're scum, full and true.  You RV to try to LOOK town since it's VERY suspicious to not vote and didn't want to have to try to explain yourself with a MC so early.  You tunneled Toony in an attempt to cover over it and just look like a regular townie pulling the old Toony Tunnel.

You realize you can't do the same trick D2 since we don't RV then and so you try to scumhunt.  When you find someone to hit and DO you realize you CAN'T fight Solifuge off as easily as you did Toony so you try to pull out.  If the town stays inactive, your vote would Lynch Soli anyway and your explanation would cover for it.  If Soli lived then you'd be free from trouble anyway.

Result: a very untowny way of acting.. but a VERY logical way of handling an ugly role as mafia.

So Meph  Care to answer to those charges?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 18, 2010, 01:02:28 am
So it's role based?

I guess that makes sense. Or is at least unprovable. Still, even with conditional posting of some sort you could participate more. At least say who you are suspicious of and vote, if nothing else.

And Kashyyk isn't being replaced I think because he'll be back about when Leafsnail is.

Yeah, see, the only way to prove that would be to make my tenth post in the day.

Whereupon I would be modkilled. Which isn't helpful.

I'm going to reserve the remainder of my posts until further notice (that is, I'm not posting until I post again. Tautology, I know).

Because I can't post this later without taking away from my scarcest resource: Dakarian, to be perfectly fair Toony was being an absolute spaz. However, I too am interested to hear Mephansteras' answer.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Eduren on February 18, 2010, 01:07:44 am
Hell, there's always the possibility that he doesn't have that role.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: dakarian on February 18, 2010, 03:42:43 am
He may not, which ruins him completely as a liar.  That would be harder to prove though.

The trick is, assuming he's telling the truth, it looks just as scummy considering how he treated his role and realizing that he knew his role from D1.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 18, 2010, 01:36:31 pm
Ok, finally did a run through the thread.  So far something stood out for me: 

Hey Meph, now I know you claimed to be Overconfident and, thus, can't remove a vote once you place it, but explain to me this:

1: Why did you vote during your RV if you KNEW you couldn't remove it?  It wasn't even a proper attack, but a real RV and the second post ever in the game.  So why damn ToonyMan with it?

I already said this, but it's because I random voted by habit. I totally forgot about the fact that I couldn't unvote until a few minutes after I made the post and by that point it was too late. It was a mistake, pure and simple.


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2:  Why did you claim that Toony was just wanting to lynch anyone the second he applied ANY pressure on you?  And yes, it was clearly PRESSURE, not a 'desire to lynch anyone'. 

I also note that you make no effort to explain the deal with your vote.  You're fully content to let it sit even before you felt that Toony was really scum and play it off like you meant to just stay on him anyway.

I was simply putting pressure back on him. I was really confused as to where he got the 'buddying' claim from, which seemed to come out of nowhere. So I accused him of just trying to get someone lynched (as his was a non-random vote and actually claimed to have some meaning behind it) to see what he'd do. He then refused to explain his position and every attempt to get him to make sense just had him refuse to be helpful in any way.

He acting incredibly scummy so there wasn't any reason to do a role-claim at that point. And as I mentioned earlier, I had initially planned on doing the role claim and telling everyone to ignore my vote once I was reasonably sure that Toony wasn't scum. But he didn't do anything to make me think he wasn't scum. And I figured that my vote had more weight on him (since he was panicking) if he thought I could remove it. If he knew I couldn't it would have weakened my arguments. And, since I was sure he was scum, I couldn't see any benefit in doing so.

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3. Why did you do nothing to go after anyone else?  You don't need to vote to attack others.  FoS or just simple pressures would do as well.  Instead, you aimed ONLY at TOonyman.

That's not true at all. I called out Cobalt on her lingering vote on Kashyyk (which she explained). I did also look at other people (during my wide scan of posts), but no one else was doing anything particularly scummy. So, yes, I focused on Toony as the most suspicious.

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4.  D2 brings this mess:

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On the topic of Toony, I'm still puzzled by his behavior day 1. It was incredibly anti-town and odd.

I mean, he never even explained his vote on me, despite my pointing out several times that he refused to respond logically to anything.

Right off the gate you defend yourself over what happened with ToonyMan.  No one had any time to mention it.  You then hold your vote for a while but later start up on Soli (who's been after you) and eventually plop a vote on her. 

Once she comes in with ONE counter after your first real attack on her, you 'pull back' but.. OH, you can't because you can't remove your vote.

btw, saying that you are scared to vote because of it in Day 2 doesn't mean a hill of beans when you RV with it D1.

So you back off saying Soli is town, but the day ends since the town is half inactive and your vote puts Soli on top.  The ONLY reason why she's alive is due to some voting role altering everything.


So you vote on one person instantly KNOWING YOU CAN'T UNVOTE and act like you always meant to do it even when you didn't have a strong suspicion on them.  You then vote for another D2 but cover by saying that you goofed and can't unvote even though the action still almost killed that person as well.


That's a bit of a misrepresentation of things.

First off, yes, I was much more cautious with my vote that day. I'd screwed up by RVing the first day and had been kicking myself over it. So I wanted to be more careful.

We then went for most of the allotted time for that day without anything much of substance going on. It starts to get near the deadline with little going on, so I go back and start reviewing everything in detail. The more I read, the more suspicious Solifuge looked. I eventually decided that I'd take the risk of voting her. If I could pressure her enough into dropping more scum tells we'd have found scum and could lynch her. If not, I could role-claim and back off.

I don't back off until Niur role claims and says that he's given his vote to Solifuge. Which, as she argued, if she were scum would have let them control the vote and win. That's pretty damn good evidence of town alignment, even if there are a few scenarios where she could still have been scum. She posted a good bit before that where I *didn't* back down. So, no, I didn't just go after someone and then drop it when I couldn't get an easy lynch, which is what you're implying. I found the most suspicious people I could based on their actions and did what I could to pressure them and find scum while dealing with the limitations of my ability.

And, if you couldn't tell from reading back through this, this game has had huge inactivity. I've been doing my best to keep it running even when other people have been lurking to all hell. That's hard to do at the best of times, even more so when I can't do more then FoS people without sticking an unmovable vote on someone.

I've given good reasons for all the votes that I placed, and I don't apologize for them. The only time I've ever backed down was when given good evidence *not* to vote someone. As far as passivity goes, I don't always have a lot of time during the day to go through things. I've had some busy days at work lately and only a few occasional periods where I could really dig in and look for suspicious behavior. Most of the times where I could be called 'passive' are cases where I'm posting to keep the game going but don't have time to do much. I was hoping we'd have more activity in this game, but we've had *days* go by where only a handful of people posted at all. It's limiting, especially when I don't have huge amounts of time to go and make giant posts about everyone.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 18, 2010, 03:09:21 pm
I'm back.  Day is extended for now due to mod abscence.  Kashyyk is back tomorrow too, theoretically giving us a full player list.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 19, 2010, 01:15:56 pm
Hello? People? Anyone still playing this?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Solifuge on February 19, 2010, 02:18:11 pm
Only barely. No internet access save for at work and the library for at least the next few days. I'll do what I can in the interim. My suspicions and vote hasn't seen reason enough to change.

We have 3 Scum. They are probably coordinating how best to guarantee offing the remaining town. My assumption is that this will be/is being done via one Scum player promoting the lynch of another Scum player (bussing?), followed by townspeople.

If only someone had already made a move to enact such a plan... but what's this?

Polo!

<INSERT TEXT WALL HERE>

I suspect Mephansteras is attempting to bus CobaltKobold, and follow that up with the 3 people he knows to be townies, hoping to foment their lynches in the next days, and secure the win.

My vote for Cobalt stays the same, though. Also, in the event that I hit it head on and get night killed, I would also propose that Eduren is a close runner up, as one of the only players not mentioned by Mephansteras.

Can we get a vote-count, leaf?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Solifuge on February 19, 2010, 02:21:05 pm
I would add Rampant Self-Preservationism to the charges against Mephansteras as well. A lot of energy spent to defend yourself, and very little spent explaining why you have suspice.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 19, 2010, 02:27:12 pm
Polo!

Oh, that wasn't at me? Oops. :P

Seriously, though, I'm looking through things right now.

Just to get my thoughts in order, though, and hopefully spark some debate:

We have these people still alive:

Pandarsenic
Eduren
Dakarian
Mephansteras
Solifuge
Kashyyk
CobaltKobold

3/7 are Mafia. Which means we're in lylo and need to choose correctly. However, it also means that we have a very high chance of lynching scum. None of which matters if we don't actually get some participation out of people.

Most suspicious people to me right now are:

CobaltKobold, for making lots of scummy statements throughout the game followed by lots of backpedaling and extra 'explanations' when it's pointed out.

Solifuge, for quite a few strange actions and questionable decisions. For example, you said you thought Eduren was scum but as soon as he asked about it you backpedaled and said he 'shouldn't worry about it'. Did you not actually suspect he was scum? I was going with your 'If I had two votes and was scum we'd have just won' argument to mostly clear you as town, but just now I realized that if the scum had a non-voter, that wouldn't hold up. So now I'm not so sure.

Pandarsenic, for excessive lurking. Kashyyk has also been lurky, but he's *always* lurky. Panda, not so much.  So, what's up with that, Panda?

We only have another day or two before Leaf comes back. Let's use this time!

I will cast my vote Thursday at the latest.

So this post doesn't count as talking about my suspicions? The only reason I didn't go over them again in my reply to dak was because I had *just* posted them.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Kashyyk on February 19, 2010, 03:22:50 pm
right I'm back now, so no sneaky lynches.

Let me read through the thread.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Solifuge on February 19, 2010, 03:32:45 pm
Never did I say you were not proposing suspicions; whether you do something or not says little in comparison to where your primary focus lies. The proportion of effort spent on saving yourself, rather than helping us find the Scum indicates my point.

Moreover, in once again leaping to defend yourself with nothing else to add, you did the very thing once more. You'd not shown even a spark of a reaction directed towards me and your proposed suspicion of me. As my case would suggest, you subconsciously know who is scum among us, and your immediate reactions reflect this.

In short, you've only validated my point. Thanks! :P
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Kashyyk on February 19, 2010, 04:06:30 pm
To be quite honest solifuge, I don't see how Mephansteras defending himself is a bad thing considering it is lylo.  if we had 1 scum to 6 of us then I'd understand what you mean but the scum can easily afford to lose a partner and still have a strong chance of winning here, what with all the megalurking going on.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Kashyyk on February 20, 2010, 01:35:07 pm
No posts? come on, there's extreme lurking and then there is a complete lack of all things related to posting!

Solifuge answer me please.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 20, 2010, 04:28:40 pm
Leaf, could we get a votecount?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 20, 2010, 04:54:09 pm
Leaf, could we get a votecount?
Yeah, this.

Also, if the deadline would come there, extend
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Eduren on February 20, 2010, 07:45:02 pm
Extend because I'm not entirely sure of my suspicions.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 22, 2010, 01:27:27 am
dot dot sodding dot. Where IS everyone?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 22, 2010, 01:18:35 pm
I, at least, am waiting on Leaf to get back to us on the votecount and deadline for this day.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Leafsnail on February 22, 2010, 01:51:32 pm
Vote count:
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Cobaltkobold: Solifuge, Pandarsenic
Mephansteras: Eduren, CobaltKobold, Dakarian
Solifuge: Kashyyk
Is it as far as I can tell.

As for deadline... hard to say due to inactivity and the holiday break.  Shall we say thursday?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Eduren on February 22, 2010, 03:39:59 pm
Ugh. Unvote Mephansteras because I can't remember why I voted him.

And vote CK.

You are currently voting Mephansteras. Your original accusations were flimsy at best and you never bothered to push further. You're scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: Mephansteras on February 22, 2010, 03:42:55 pm
As for deadline... hard to say due to inactivity and the holiday break.  Shall we say thursday?

Thursday works ok, I guess. Hopefully we can get more activity.

And, if needed, we can always ask for a day shortening.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 22, 2010, 07:33:13 pm
>I can't remember why I voted him.

>Your original accusations were flimsy at best
How droll. Scum, thirdvoter.

I Am Ayimuzus Ihurah. I have six one-shot night abilities, all unblockable and unaffected by my death that night that do something to everything. While I have them, I must use one per night.
The abilities used: Desert Island Syndrome(N1), The Day of Sagittarius(N2)
unused: The Rampage(sounds dangerous), Endless Eight(the town couldn't possibly last eight days if my guess is right), The Wavering, The Dissociation(both these sound like voting penalties).
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: dakarian on February 22, 2010, 08:55:07 pm
This really is the hardest to work with...

Unvote Meph  The little I can find makes me calm about him for now. 

Kashyyk though sounds hollow in his arguments at the moment.

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 23, 2010, 11:16:42 am
Can you point them out please, it is much easier to hear another person's criticism's of you than attempt to formulate a just set of your own.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: dakarian on February 23, 2010, 01:06:05 pm
The fact that you gave Meph a free ride over being defensive.  The fact that you fuss about lurking but attempt to disrupt someone who's actually scumhunting over a very nasty scumtell (self-preservation is scummy, even in lylo).  The fact that you voted for Soli to..what.. answer to the fact that she shouldn't try to hunt down people?  Why exactly do you feel she's being scummy for it?  How is trying to attack someone for being scummy....scummy?

It's hollow and weak.  It also doesn't help when combined with the lastest post you just did which sings of carefully watching over your words. 

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 23, 2010, 01:26:02 pm
In my opinion, self preservation is less scummy at lylo because if we lynch a towny we lose. Scum wins. So the town needs to protect itself from it's lynch while aiming for the scum. Of course it is scummy, but not as bad as it could be under different circumstances. I probably haven't explained this very well, so tell me if you don't understand.

I only voted to get her attention, as at that point I though it was just her not posting instead of everybody. I'm not sure what you mean by me disrupting her either, she seems to have managed that well enough on her own.

To your last comment, I've trying a new tactic, of thinking through everything I say and reading it through before posting instead of posting the first thing that comes to mind. I've got lynched for doing that, and I'd rather not waste another day for the town.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: dakarian on February 23, 2010, 01:36:44 pm
'less scummy' doesn't mean 'town'.  Even if it's only 'slightly scummy' that's STILL enough to warrant an attack.  Unless you have someone better to target that's more scummy, you don't let ANY scumminess pass by without a townie reason or a lynch.

To be quite honest solifuge, I don't see how Mephansteras defending himself is a bad thing considering it is lylo.  if we had 1 scum to 6 of us then I'd understand what you mean but the scum can easily afford to lose a partner and still have a strong chance of winning here, what with all the megalurking going on.

That = "Stop bothering Meph.  He's alright"

Aka, you aimed to stop Soli from attacking Meph any further. 

So now you're stuck with with task:  Show us why you believe Meph is town and, thus, shouldn't be poked at by Solifuge.  Note that your argument about his one action doesn't work alone since you admitted that it is scummy.. if slightly scummy.  So unless you feel that Meph is town, then you just defended someone that you have no clue about and seem to have no issue with the risk that he could be scum.  You also didn't see Solifuge as actually scummy (the other big reason to disrupt a scumhunt) herself due to that by your comments just now so you need not bother there.

However, if you did feel that Meph could be scum but you aren't sure...if you seemed more interested in stopping an argument against him rather than trying to actually HUNT scum...

well then, perhaps the reason why is because you just want to make sure you look your best just in case the town wakes up.

 
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 23, 2010, 02:07:08 pm
Well, I personally don't see anything scummy with Meph, but that doesn't mean he isn't scum, as you said. I just wanted it explained to me why Self-preservation is so bad at lylo.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 23, 2010, 02:16:38 pm
Also, unvote, as it's been addressed now.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: dakarian on February 23, 2010, 03:42:01 pm
If Meph is lynched and he's town he looses, that's true.  However, if ANY TOWN is lynched and Meph is town he looses just as badly.  Any town worth being town will realize it's not just their own death that will lose but anything that doesn't result in a mafia lynch, including no lynches or plain old lack of scumhunting.

So if you and Meph really actually CARED about the town winning, you'd be doing far, FAR more than just trying to keep alive.

Mafia though.. they have the same goal as always: if they live one more day, they win.  Who dies doesn't matter so long as they live one more day.

So the fact that Meph was being defensive looks awkward.

The fact that you not only are defensive but are going out of your way to defend others, and posting enough to look more active than everyone else and yet do NOTHING to actually address the issue of lynching scum look horrible enough to BE scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 23, 2010, 04:05:19 pm
Right, I'll fix that then.

I'll go back through the thread and see if I can find something that hasn't been picked up. the lack of recent posts will make it more difficult though.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 23, 2010, 06:04:51 pm
Consuming one of my valuable remaining posts to say:

Dakarian, don't get too caught up solely in this Mephansteras-Kashyyk thing.

Kashyyk: Are you buddying Meph? Trying to make sure he won't vote you? Are you protecting your partner? Why derail an argument if you're so uncertain of his alignment? Town and Scum show different forms of survival instinct in Lylo.

Everyone else: WHERE YOU AT!?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 23, 2010, 06:59:30 pm
Kashyyk: Are you buddying Meph?
not intentionally, although with hindsight it does look like that, yes.

Trying to make sure he won't vote you?
Would be nice, as if he does the town will lose.

Are you protecting your partner?
A silly idea imo, it'd draw everyone's attention to me and knowing me I'd get lynched for it, which means if I was scum then Meph would get insta-lynched tomorrow unless he found some way of clawing his way out of it. If he was scum as well as me then that would leave one scum vs two town. not a fun place to be I can tell you (for the town at least. Never been there with scum but I can imagine it's just as bad, if not worse.)

Why derail an argument if you're so uncertain of his alignment? Town and Scum show different forms of survival instinct in Lylo.
People keep saying, and I've only just discovered what the actual differences are.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 23, 2010, 07:09:03 pm
Kashyyk Hi Mr. Wifom

count
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Eduren on February 23, 2010, 10:21:13 pm
Also, unvote, as it's been addressed now.
What? Why are you unvoting? Soli hasn't even responded to you.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Solifuge on February 24, 2010, 01:29:59 pm
Activity!

I'm probably only going to be able to check this thread weekdays at noon, for the near future. Might change if I can pirate some variety of internet from my neighbors.

For the time being, Unvote.

I'm intrigued by this Kashykk/Mephansteras dimension, and has some overlap with my theory. I'm trying my hardest to get a feel for the group of players who are acting most trusting, or most forcedly suspicious, but I really can't commit the time to an intensive thread-scan.

Role notwithstanding, my CobaltKobold suspicion remains. I have a handful of players I suspect for reasons of passive activity, and self-preservation, but there are more suspects than probable scum, so I need to whittle down the list.

I would, however, have to agree that Kashyyk is getting wierdly waffley while under fire. Started big and imposing, but sort of crumpled after a few jabs and started agreeing with Dakarian. I'm strangely reminded of the original Death Star... an interstellar weapons battery capable of destroying worlds, but after a single torpedo into an exhaust port, the whole thing fell apart.

Yay Starwars. Anywho, we need to agree on someone we find the most scummy, and rather soon. I am confident enough to bank on Kashyyk or Mephansteras being scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 24, 2010, 03:10:02 pm
Eduren: dakarian answered it for me. It was just a general question but I just aimed at soli.

Solifuge: As I've said I'm trying a new tactic, to see how it works.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: dakarian on February 24, 2010, 03:32:50 pm
*puts on trainer hat*

If you are trying out tactics on how not to be lynched.. you've shot yourself in the foot.

The problem is the entire concept behind it: trying NOT to get lynched is exactly the goal of scum and exactly NOT the goal of the town.  Yes, Mafia would like to lynch someone in particular at times.  Yes, Townies don't like being lynched.  However, the true aim of Town isn't to live the day but to lynch the right person.

I don't know what the particulars of your new tactic are but I don't see very much actually trying to find scum in it, and without that, you'll NEVER look town.  It's sort of like saying "what's a good way to look innocent", while trying to steal a bank.

*takes off the hat*


I'll give you this question:  After 3 game days and all of your actions and events, who, are you able to name at least one person who you believe is scum?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Mephansteras on February 24, 2010, 03:54:19 pm
Unofficial vote count:

Cobaltkobold: Pandarsenic, Eduren
Mephansteras: CobaltKobold
Kashyyk: Dakarian


CobaltKobold: You've done very little lately to convince me that you're not scum. Your accusations have been flimsy, your actions in this game have been erratic and poorly explained, you haven't posted much of substance in days, and your role claim does nothing to say that you're town.

At this point, I'm pretty sure you're scum. But since I can't unvote, and we're at lylo, I'll give you until tomorrow morning to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Eduren on February 24, 2010, 04:01:35 pm
Eduren: dakarian answered it for me. It was just a general question but I just aimed at soli.
But still, you backed down.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 24, 2010, 04:25:37 pm
and your role claim does nothing to say that you're town.

At this point, I'm pretty sure you're scum. But since I can't unvote, and we're at lylo, I'll give you until tomorrow morning to prove otherwise.

A meaningless threat, to be sure.

But my roleclaim should lend SOME credence to town-ness. "The Rampage" sounds like it would be 'ery bad for town. You might e'en say horrible.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Mephansteras on February 24, 2010, 04:33:29 pm
Not sure what you mean by 'meaningless threat'.

As for 'The Rampage', I'm not sure that means much. Yes, if you are town, that would probably be bad for the town. If you are scum, it's probably bad for the scum as well. Since you don't sound like you know what they do it's a safe bet that most or all of them have downsides that scum might not want to use. Especially since they seem to have the upper hand at this point.

So, no, I don't feel that your role claim does much to clear you.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 24, 2010, 04:47:07 pm
Oh, sorry, I thought you'd already voted me today, which would make your ultimatum meaningless. If you had, and no bandwagon formed, it'd guarantee either you or I were scum, assuming everyone has a vote- since you can't unvote, the scum could dogpile with no fear of being lynched, since they'd control it.

Not much, but "nothing" is different from "not much". :P

Your power is worse for town than for mafia, but it's bad enough for either.

Dak: It's a hell of a lot less true in Lylo. That said, trying new stuff in lylo is...antitown of itself, since you're risking your side, not merely your own life.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 24, 2010, 05:45:38 pm
If you are trying out tactics on how not to be lynched.. you've shot yourself in the foot.
not to avoid getting lynched, just a new way of expressing myself instead of throwing the first that come to mind out.

The problem is the entire concept behind it: trying NOT to get lynched is exactly the goal of scum and exactly NOT the goal of the town.  Yes, Mafia would like to lynch someone in particular at times.  Yes, Townies don't like being lynched.  However, the true aim of Town isn't to live the day but to lynch the right person.

And proving you are not the right person is part of that.

I don't know what the particulars of your new tactic are but I don't see very much actually trying to find scum in it, and without that, you'll NEVER look town.  It's sort of like saying "what's a good way to look innocent", while trying to steal a bank.
It's a new way of saying things. That is all.

I'll give you this question:  After 3 game days and all of your actions and events, who, are you able to name at least one person who you believe is scum?

I personally think CK is most likely to be scum, as from what I remember of her it role seems more horrible for the scum than for the town. But annoyingly I can't find where she roleclaimed. I also think Panda could be, because his 'post restriction' sounds a bit forced in my opinion.

I'm going to go with CobaltKobold though. CK: Could you repost the actions that you can still do please, I want to look at them again.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo? - One Replacement Needed (maybe)
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 24, 2010, 09:56:13 pm
I Am Ayimuzus Ihurah. I have six one-shot night abilities, all unblockable and unaffected by my death that night that do something to everything. While I have them, I must use one per night.
The abilities used: Desert Island Syndrome(N1), The Day of Sagittarius(N2)
unused: The Rampage(sounds dangerous), Endless Eight(the town couldn't possibly last eight pre-modifier days if my guess is right, but then it seems like each day has done this so far), The Wavering, The Dissociation(both these sound like voting penalties).
If I remember last I saw this(BYORPE), the Wavering and the Dissociation (or similar words) did nothing, but that's unlikely to mean anything at all.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: dakarian on February 24, 2010, 10:51:29 pm
Ok, so how does that become more anti scum than anti-town?


Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Kashyyk on February 25, 2010, 02:26:07 pm
To me the Wavering sounds like it will affect a side (town or scum), making them weaker in someway. Wavering suggests some sort of cowardliness, so maybe a mass roleblock?

Dissociation sounds like it causes someone to change sides, or maybe start a new survivor side? This would have to affect a towny, as it would be too detrimental to the mafia. Although, this is Horrible role.

Endless Eight: This is a link to infinity. The symbol for infinity being an eight lying on it's side and it being the biggest thing. No idea what it would actually do though.

I think the rampage will either affect someone or everyone, and will probably cause a lot of deaths. If only one person then perhaps the must do a kill each night like the regular psychopath role maybe. Or it could affect everyone and maybe cause all actions to be a kill instead of what they were intended to be.

I would want to lynch you as town for these, as they just seem plain dangerous to the town and as scum I'd want to lynch you, since you're scum.

But I'm willing to bet that you are scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Mephansteras on February 25, 2010, 03:23:24 pm
All right, I don't think we have that much time left in the day so I need to vote.

I'm going to have to go with CobaltKobold. She's been passive and only weakly attacking and defending the entire game, and she's posted a lot of filler posts that didn't really say anything. Finally, when asked to give me some evidence that she's not scum all she can come up with is that her role is not Obviously Scum. Which, really, doesn't help much.

So, that's it.

All I can do now is sit and hope I'm right.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Leafsnail on February 25, 2010, 03:29:26 pm
Quote from: The Good Kind of Democracy
Cobaltkobold: Pandarsenic, Eduren, Mephansteras, Kashyyk
Mephansteras: CobaltKobold
Kashyyk: Dakarian
Not voting: Solifuge

Deadline tonight at about 10pm GMT+0.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Solifuge on February 25, 2010, 04:18:17 pm
In the event that I'm netless tonight, The scum-tells on Kashyyk outweigh those on CobaltKobold. Here's hoping we hit a mark.

Vote Count Pls? Got to make sure if we can swing this, or if it's going to end in a big fat Tie Die... In that, if we tie on our targets, we die.

P.S. I am a pun-master.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Leafsnail on February 25, 2010, 04:32:44 pm
Extension requests are available, but I can't remember which line I'm up to.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Mephansteras on February 25, 2010, 04:47:32 pm
I won't vote against an extension if someone wants one. But, really, day three has gone on now for I think a week with only sporadic participation. I'm not sure we're going to get much more out of people at this point.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 25, 2010, 10:21:48 pm
I won't vote against an extension if someone wants one. But, really, day three has gone on now for I think a week with only sporadic participation. I'm not sure we're going to get much more out of people at this point.
Also, there are four people voting me. Would need to sway one off me.
Kashyyk to further the town's cause.

What clock is Leafy using? 10PM Zulu was half an hour BEFORE his post by my count.
correction, 1.5H after. So yeah. I expected to be on earlier; when I wasn't, I expected to be dead.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - Day Three - Marco Polo?
Post by: Leafsnail on February 26, 2010, 01:02:36 pm
Sorry about missing it yesterday.  Forgot while playing Dungeon Crawl and then collapsed into bed.

Anyway, final votecount:
Quote from: Is this the end?
Cobaltkobold: Pandarsenic, Eduren, Mephansteras, Kashyyk
Kashyyk: Dakarian, Solifuge, CobaltKobold

Scene coming soon.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Game Over
Post by: Leafsnail on February 26, 2010, 04:28:22 pm
You surround CobaltKobold, having decided that she will be the one to die today!  As you approach her, however, you hear her giggle softly.

"Hehe... you know you can't lynch me, right?"
"Yeah right!" says Mephansteras, "This is a town for people who have been thrown out of their own towns for being useless!  How could you possibly be immune to lynches?"
CobaltKobold says nothing and merely smiles as reality begins to bend.  You look up in shock to see that the votecount is already changing!  Perhaps CobaltKobold was telling the truth after all!?
Quote from: Ultra Votecount
Cobaltkobold: Pandarsenic, Eduren, Mephansteras, Kashyyk, dakarian, Solifuge, CobaltKobold
"Goddamnit!" shouts CobaltKobold, "Why does this ALWAYS happen to me?"  A bolt of lightning streaks down through the sky and kills CobaltKobold on the spot!  As she falls, you feel the fog of confusion rise from your minds!
Quote
You are Ayimuzus Ihurah.  Every night you must use one of the following abilities.  Each ability will do something globally effective, but you won't know what.

The Rampage
Endless Eight
The Wavering
The Dissociation
Desert Island Syndrome
The Day of Sagittarius
This also tells you that she was town aligned!  This isn't good!

However, before you've even finished checking the body, Kashyyk begins making a scene!
"How DARE you vote for me, dakarian, Solifuge and CobaltKobold!  Isn't it OBVIOUS that I'm town?"
There is no reply - complaining about votes received in the day afterwards is highly unusual.  You're also pretty sure it breaches some form of mob related ettiquette.
"I mean, I'm actually not town... but still!  You shouldn't've voted me!"
You look at Kashyyk in a confused manner as he begins to realise his mistake.
"What... did I... oh... DAMN!"
A small discussion begins about whether it's possible to have two lynches in one day, and, if it is, why you didn't do that earlier.  However, as you turn back to Kashyyk, it turns out the discussion was unnecessary, as he's already driven a katana through his stomach.  He was mafia aligned... you guess?
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You are a Mafia Voteaphobe.  You hate having people vote against you.  How could they!?  You're clearly not scum!  Well, you are scum, but that's besides the point!

If you have any votes on you at the end of the day you will die.
"Like, OMG!" shouts Pandarsenic.  "We've, like, already won!  Why did you stab him like that, Mephansteras!?!?"
Mephansteras sighs.  "I've told you not to refer to me by name before... idiot.  Anyway, he revealed himself to be mafia when I TOLD HIM NOT TO.  He deserved death for that."
"BUT... It, like, doesn't matter!  We, like win!  Awesome!  I'm gonna tell all my friends!"
It seems that Pandarsenic is some kind of mafia aligned Gossipy Mafia Idiot!
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You are a Gossipy Mafia Idiot.

OH MY GOSH!!!  BEING PART OF THE MAFIA IS, LIKE, SO AWESOME!  SO AWESOME YOU HAVE TO TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT YOUR PARTNERS!!

Oh wait... they can't know, can they?  Oh well, just make sure the names of BUDDY1 and BUDDY2 appear in all of your posts.  You can include other names too.

Credit for this role goes to RedWarrior0.

"Pah..." says the Overassertive Mafia Guy, "I said I would kill you if you revealed who we were but... these townies need dealing with first."
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You are absolutely an Overassertive Mafia Guy.  Unvoting is for pathetic, weak willed people.  You don't need unvoting!  In fact, you don't need it so much that you can't unvote at all!  That'll show 'em!

If you attempt to unvote, you will receive a warning.  Receive two warnings and you will be modkilled.

Eduren attempts to run, but he is rooted to the spot!  It seems that he was a Rather Sticky Voter, and can't even lift his feet from the ground to escape the club that Mephansteras brings crashing down on his head!
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You are a Rather Sticky Voter.  You are town aligned.

Sick of having the mayor repeatedly killed off, you have migrated to a new town from the old town of Vote Mafia.  You thought that there wouldn't be any of this nonsense about democratic murder.

Unfortunately, it would seem that another sick game is playing out here... oh well, no rest for the townies.

You are pretty sticky.  If someone votes for you and unvotes, their vote remains on you anyway and cannot be changed.

Solifuge jumps into her Really Mad Escape Pod, but seems to have forgotten the nature of her inventions!  A large explosion saves Pandarsenic the trouble of killing her.
Quote
You are a Really Mad Inventor.  You are town aligned.

You feel like you have to give away your super useful inventions every night!  Non town players will not be able to use your "inventions".  You were unfortunately kicked out of your last town for accidentally blowing up your laboratory (quite an impressive feat, as you were testing rates of photosynthesis at the time).

You must give a player one of these inventions every night.  You can use each invention once.  When you get to night 5, you will no longer have to give away inventions.

Wimpifier: That player now has no vote!
Skulkifier: That player now dies if they are visited in the night!
Amplifier: That player will now take one less vote to lynch!
Uzusifier: Erm... you're not sure, really.  Some kind of global ability, perhaps?

"We won!" says Mephansteras, "We will build a new town on the founding principles of corruption and immorality!  We will never forgot Kashyyk's heroic sacrifice, and we will live in luxury forever!"
"Actually" says Dakarian, with his eyes glowing brightly, "I'm still here!  Turns out I can talk though this guy even though I'm dead!  Pretty sweet, huh?"
Quote
You are a Voodoo Medium.  You are town aligned.

You can communicate with the dead.  Actually... that's not quite it.  The dead can channel themselves through you.  And you can't control it.  And generally only evil souls can do this.

Once per day, with at least 48 hours remaining till deadline, every dead mafia member can send you one pm (they will be told of this ability in dead chat).  You must post the exact contents of the pm in a post on the thread.  You cannot put it in quotes or modify it in any way.
Mephansteras shoots dakarian in the head, and begins making plans for the memorial to Kashyyk, their heroic fallen comrade, who bravely sacrificed himself by blocking a katana with his stomach.

Game over.  Mafia scum Pandarsenic, Mephansteras and Kashyyk win!

More details coming soon.  Quick summary:
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(Mostly) Reformed Psychopath:   Vector
Ayimuzus Ihurah:   CobaltKobold
Gossipy Mafia Idiot:   Pandarsenic
Great Samaritan:   Nirur Torir
Mafia Voteaphobe:   Kashyyk
Overassertive Mafia Guy:   Mephansteras
Rather Sticky Voter:   Eduren
Really Mad Inventor:   solifuge
Sonambulist:   Apostolic Nihilist
Substitute:   ToonyMan
Suicidal Music Loving Survivor:   RedWarrior0
Voodoo Medium:   ExKirby

Songs:
Quote
Mafia:
Gossipy Mafia Idiot - Summer Night
Mafia Voteaphobe - Cult of Personality
Overassertive Mafia Guy - Let Him Dangle

Town:
(Mostly) Reformed Psycopath - Psycho Killer
Ayimuzus Ihurah - God Knows
Great Samaritan - When You Were Young
Rather Sticky Voter - Stuck in the Middle With You
Really Mad Inventor - Year 3000
Sonambulist - The Animal I Have Become
Substitute - Substitute
Voodoo Medium - Voodoo Child

Survivor:
Suicidal Music Loving Survivor - Lose Yourself

Chats:
Dead: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/4eVQ777yeF33
Mafia: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/99cByxRhaXqME
Spoilered Spectating: http://www.quicktopic.com/43/H/uiNt3GC3cpk
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Mephansteras on February 26, 2010, 04:32:45 pm
That was an interesting game. I do wish people had been more active, though.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Kashyyk on February 26, 2010, 04:48:54 pm
would you mind telling us what CK's and Soli's stuff did? I really want to know.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Nirur Torir on February 26, 2010, 04:56:38 pm
That was painfully long.
You shouldn't have killed me. I had been trying to give my vote to Mephansteras.

Pandarsenic, your fake roleclaim was poorly thought out, but I didn't realize it until after I died:
There will be no roles that force players or encourage players to lurk.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Leafsnail on February 26, 2010, 04:57:14 pm
Interesting how you never picked up on the fact that your rolename was reversed, CK ;D.
Quote
The Rampage (all votecounts seriously messed up)
Endless Eight (dayphase shortened by 24 hours)
The Wavering (noone will be allowed to unvote)
The Dissociation (mafia will learn what 3rd party roles are in the game)
Desert Island Syndrome (all players will fake their own deaths in the night and resurrect)
The Day of Sagittarius (all roleflips delayed until the following morning)
I'm kinda surprised CK got lynched though - a quick google search would've saved her.

Quote from: Flavour
You head to his house, but the fog of war prevents you from discovering his alignment or his identity.
Quote from: SOS-dan Wiki
As is typical for many RTS games, Day of Sagittarius uses a 'Fog of War' - players can only see the space around their own fleets. To expand their fields of vision, players can send scouting units out around their fleets. The field of vision is shown as a light coloured circle on the darker background.
Quote from: Title
Horrible Role Mafia
Quote from: Common Sense
Having no roleflips is anti-town.
Hey, while searching for the "No roleflips" article in mafiascum.net, I've just realised there's a Go tag on it.  Cool.

Solifuge's hidden ability gave the target one use of any Ayimuzus ability of their choosing (compulsory, of course).  If used on CK, it would cause her to use all 6 abilities at once.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Mephansteras on February 26, 2010, 05:05:06 pm
That was painfully long.
You shouldn't have killed me. I had been trying to give my vote to Mephansteras.

Blast. Ah, well, we couldn't know that.

@Leafsnail: That might make perfect sense to you, but even reading the examples you gave wouldn't have convinced me of her alignment as town. In fact, I might have taken it to mean that she WAS scum since Niur was probably town but we couldn't see him. Or I'd have assumed we couldn't see his role-flip simply because he was town. Either way, someone with multiple abilities could simply have had more bad abilities then good ones.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: dakarian on February 26, 2010, 05:08:07 pm
Well, I guess I can feel better in knowing I spotted two of the three scum.  Not bad.

Though it's noted that all of the scum jumped on that last vote.  Meh.  Lylo is hard to break unless you get all of the town to join in on the same target.

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Mephansteras on February 26, 2010, 05:12:45 pm
Yeah, that was a bit unfortunate. But with Kashyyk getting voted he WAS going to be lynched regardless, so if we wanted to win we had to get a townie lynch as well. We just lucked out that Eduren was more against CK then Kashyyk.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: ToonyMan on February 26, 2010, 05:20:41 pm
I said Meph woo.
I got you dude.

Hehe, nice game anyway.

Hey wait, I still don't remember why I was lynched Day 1.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 05:27:58 pm
Like, OMG! WE WON!

I love how my dialogue was done. X3
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Mephansteras on February 26, 2010, 05:37:35 pm
I said Meph woo.
I got you dude.

Hehe, nice game anyway.

Hey wait, I still don't remember why I was lynched Day 1.

You got super defensive when I pushed you, and oddly never actually explained your attacks on me. Which came of as scum who was panicking over being voted.

It worked out great for me, since I'd accidentally RV'd you and couldn't unvote.

But for the future, side-stepping accusations against you and acting 'inscruitable' and random when you're under suspicion does not help your cause. You could easily have worked your way out of it if you'd explained your reasoning behind your votes on me. But you didn't, and I was able to use it against you.

Go back and read day 1 and look at it from an outsider's perspective. You did *nothing* to remove the suspicions on you, especially early on when I didn't have a lot to actually accuse you of.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 05:38:19 pm
Also: HA HA HAR at Webadict and Zai, who were so sure I had posted without naming my buddies twice.

I used my one "warning" very carefully and strategically, interpreting it not as a rulebreak I would be warned for once but as a one-shot ability to ignore my restriction.

Every other post I meticulously QUOTED LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER or dropped like 6 names. ._.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: ToonyMan on February 26, 2010, 05:39:49 pm
You were buddying.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Mephansteras on February 26, 2010, 05:41:03 pm
You did make *one* mistake though with that, though, which I was really worried about. You had one post where you only mentioned Kashyyk and I. Not a big deal by itself, except that if you'd died and role-flipped someone could have dug that up and easily rooted out the rest of us.

@Toony: Where? You kept saying that I was buddying but *never* explained it. That came off as incredibly scummy since it seemed like you were throwing out random accusations without reason.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: RedWarrior0 on February 26, 2010, 05:41:31 pm
Credit for that role doesn't go to me, it goes to the original MafiaScum Worst Role Mafia.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: ToonyMan on February 26, 2010, 05:43:16 pm
@Toony: Where? You kept saying that I was buddying but *never* explained it. That came off as incredibly scummy since it seemed like you were throwing out random accusations without reason.

I really did the same thing I did in that Paranormal Mafia with Sir Josh.

I made shit up and got him killed.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: webadict on February 26, 2010, 05:45:29 pm
Umm... Didn't the Town still have a chance?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Mephansteras on February 26, 2010, 05:46:48 pm
I guess I'm better at counter attacking then him?

Plus, you accused ExKirby of something incorrectly shortly afterwards, and the combination came off as you using buzz words to try and get someone killed randomly without then having done anything scummy.

Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: RedWarrior0 on February 26, 2010, 05:46:59 pm
It would've been awesome (For town, not me. I had possibly the worst role ever for a survivor) if Pandar had been killed and Toony took on his role, revealing BUDDY1 and BUDDY2.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 05:48:58 pm
Spoilerchat says quite clearly that he does NOT inherit that.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: RedWarrior0 on February 26, 2010, 05:53:55 pm
Ah, didn't read that.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Leafsnail on February 26, 2010, 06:07:08 pm
Umm... Didn't the Town still have a chance?
3 town v 2 scum going into night.  Town has no way of blocking the NK, and no way of killing a mafia member once votes were tied.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Eduren on February 26, 2010, 06:11:41 pm
Ugh, sorry I didn't play very well this game.

The first half I was having my survivor mentality in BYOR3 leak into here. But even when that was over, I couldn't develop any real suspicions.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Zai on February 26, 2010, 07:46:42 pm
Also: HA HA HAR at Webadict and Zai, who were so sure I had posted without naming my buddies twice.
Lies. Only Web thought you had.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Leafsnail on February 26, 2010, 07:48:39 pm
I thought he had too for a moment, but then realised he was quoting Mephansteras with the tags.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 07:50:05 pm
Yeah, I had to abuse the crap out of quotes.

I should have asked Leafsnail if putting Meph and Kashyyk in my SIGNATURE would've counted.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Leafsnail on February 26, 2010, 07:51:31 pm
Uh....

I hadn't thought about it, but I'd say no.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: webadict on February 26, 2010, 08:28:59 pm
Umm... Didn't the Town still have a chance?
3 town v 2 scum going into night.  Town has no way of blocking the NK, and no way of killing a mafia member once votes were tied.
The inventions... They could take someone's vote or make them one less to lynch? One or the other. I forgot which was used...
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 08:32:01 pm
They don't work on scum.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Leafsnail on February 26, 2010, 08:34:53 pm
Yeah.  Although they could be used in an investigative way like Vector's role.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 08:38:29 pm
By tomorrow it wouldn't matter. :L
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: webadict on February 26, 2010, 08:39:12 pm
Oh, didn't see that part.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Zai on February 26, 2010, 11:08:04 pm
I should have asked Leafsnail if putting Meph and Kashyyk in my SIGNATURE would've counted.
That's easily editable. Instead of a 2-minute edit limit, you get unlimited.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 26, 2010, 11:19:16 pm
Well, any post besides my carefully calculated use of my one unrestricted post I made sure in advance, so the edit limit wasn't the key there.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 27, 2010, 01:20:24 am
Interesting how you never picked up on the fact that your rolename was reversed, CK
Wrong.
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Re: ~(Suzumiya Haruhi)
« Sent to: Leafsnail on: January 22, 2010, 08:23:18 PM »

Also, if Meph got Nirur's bonus vote, weren't we 100% screwed?
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 27, 2010, 01:24:29 am
110% by that point. :D
Kashyyk remained a liability but other than that....
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 27, 2010, 01:30:43 am
I think that my role in B12 will be to name scumteam with 2/3+ correctness on d3.



This game adequately illustrates the requirement of caring about the game. It is hard to care about something that I am required to log in and post on each day.



I mean, if the mafia had that bonus vote, they had a lockdown on the lynch. So the last day's events wouldn't have mattered. Couldn't have mattered. :-/

Now I understand why one of my ideas for a mafia would be horrible.

Also this is bad, as now I realize I would feel much worse had I done any work on doing things d3 for naught.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Pandarsenic on February 27, 2010, 01:50:03 am
I think Leafyface would've ended the game then because our loss would have been impossible.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 27, 2010, 01:51:03 am
would you mind telling us what CK's and Soli's stuff did? I really want to know.
It's in the spoiler spectating chat.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Leafsnail on February 27, 2010, 05:30:58 am
Interesting how you never picked up on the fact that your rolename was reversed, CK
Wrong.
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Re: ~(Suzumiya Haruhi)
Yeah, but not that this would make you a reverse Suzumiya.  Hence the flavour which implied the exact opposite of the real effect.

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Also, if Meph got Nirur's bonus vote, weren't we 100% screwed?
Yes, but it was interrupted by his death.  I did state this explicitly in his role pm, although it was more to stop him giving his vote to a townie as he died.  So yeah... town would've lost if anyone other than Nirur Torir was nightkilled.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: CobaltKobold on February 27, 2010, 09:38:17 pm
Interesting how you never picked up on the fact that your rolename was reversed, CK
Wrong.
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Re: ~(Suzumiya Haruhi)
Yeah, but not that this would make you a reverse Suzumiya.  Hence the flavour which implied the exact opposite of the real effect.

Quote
Also, if Meph got Nirur's bonus vote, weren't we 100% screwed?
Yes, but it was interrupted by his death.  I did state this explicitly in his role pm, although it was more to stop him giving his vote to a townie as he died.  So yeah... town would've lost if anyone other than Nirur Torir was nightkilled.
You botched the quotes and 2. no, I guess I didn't pick up on the correlation there.
Title: Re: Horrible Role Mafia - FoS Brigade? - Mafia Win
Post by: Solifuge on March 01, 2010, 11:22:46 am
Good game, all! I got 2/3 by the last day as well, which was nice. Pandar was still a question, but he was on my list for Vote-Robbing. :P

Am seriously sorry about the PMs, too. Highly lame, on my part.

I'd say this was the most challenging set of roles I've seen. Rather strategic, but I liked it a lot. Do you plan on running another one in the same vein? This was a lot of fun.