"Not spiral...Arc, of burning crystal. Round planet, two moons...allow eclipses. When space needed...planet grows..."Unsure why selected spherical forms? Seems inefficient usage of mass, poor surface area to mass ratio. Previously suggested torus more efficient. Recommend adoption of Torus solar system form. Elegance of design leads to pleasant line and rings aesthetic. Rather than growing world, have it procreate, spawning off new rings as needed.
"Allows seasons...turning planet...turning sun...allows shadow-time and growing-time....Life. Death. Creation. Growth. Mass ratio...irrelevant. Allows freely turning axis...molten core provides...protection, turning. Torus cannot turn...one side burns....the other freezes...surface area made unusable. Unsuitable for growth of life. Of construction. Of ideas."Disagreement. Constant environmental conditions more conductive to growth than variation. Constant sunlight allows more impressive plant growths as they gain a constant supply of food. Larger plants can support larger populations of creatures that feed on them. Leading to more growth and life overall.
((Of course, maybe price checks go in the ooc thread...))
"Frozen always frozen. Burning always scorched. Difficult to build, grow, breathe, think, live. Only top and bottom suitable for life. No way to get from top to bottom. Torus unsuitable."Narrowmindedness. Design life suited to constant high temperatures. Simplicity itself. Make them capable of harvesting the abundant energy that would be present at full light side for massive amounts of growth.
"...Life...difficult to sustain under such conditions....but...suppose...possible....Support.
Compromise? Growing Torus. One one-hundredths growth every one hundred cycles around arc-sun? New material at closest and farthest 'edges' from sun...avoids disrupting buildings and life already present...."
"...Life...difficult to sustain under such conditions....but...suppose...possible....
Compromise? Growing Torus. One one-hundredths growth every one hundred cycles around arc-sun? New material at closest and farthest 'edges' from sun...avoids disrupting buildings and life already present...."
"...Life...difficult to sustain under such conditions....but...suppose...possible....Acceptable if the costs to include such a feature aren't prohibitive.
Compromise? Growing Torus. One one-hundredths growth every one hundred cycles around arc-sun? New material at closest and farthest 'edges' from sun...avoids disrupting buildings and life already present...."
My creation will inhabit the scorched half of the world, I can imagine hundreds of ways to adapt them to this life. The torus will be big enough that there will be no need to fight for the favored territories. The temperates portions, despite being in minority in this system, will still be plentiful. I support the growing torus if this what we need for an agreement. It will need to expand in radius as well as in height to prevent it from going too close to the sun.
I was concerned by the potential for trouble a constant growth could cause. If the change is too small to cause any trouble, I am fine with it being as you suggested.My creation will inhabit the scorched half of the world, I can imagine hundreds of ways to adapt them to this life. The torus will be big enough that there will be no need to fight for the favored territories. The temperates portions, despite being in minority in this system, will still be plentiful. I support the growing torus if this what we need for an agreement. It will need to expand in radius as well as in height to prevent it from going too close to the sun.
"The growth is slow...the change in position, minuscule...the diameter of the torus compared to the distance from the sun...is tiny...but if that is what you require, very well."
I believe we have reached sufficient consensus for now. Shall we begin construction a sun? A crystal spiral sun."Why a spiral? Agreement has not been reached...as to it being a spiral."
We seemed largely agreed on creating a growing torus planet. The torus planet was initially proposed to be packaged with a spiral sun. Is a spiral sun not acceptable? And if so, why?I believe we have reached sufficient consensus for now. Shall we begin construction a sun? A crystal spiral sun."Why a spiral? Agreement has not been reached...as to it being a spiral."
We seemed largely agreed on creating a growing torus planet. The torus planet was initially proposed to be packaged with a spiral sun. Is a spiral sun not acceptable? And if so, why?I believe we have reached sufficient consensus for now. Shall we begin construction a sun? A crystal spiral sun."Why a spiral? Agreement has not been reached...as to it being a spiral."
((Just clarifying how the spiral would look through a linky (http://i.imgur.com/hPxHVfO.png)))
((I honestly missed that, my mistake))We seemed largely agreed on creating a growing torus planet. The torus planet was initially proposed to be packaged with a spiral sun. Is a spiral sun not acceptable? And if so, why?I believe we have reached sufficient consensus for now. Shall we begin construction a sun? A crystal spiral sun."Why a spiral? Agreement has not been reached...as to it being a spiral."
((Just clarifying how the spiral would look through a linky (http://i.imgur.com/hPxHVfO.png)))
"When compromise was proposed...suggested arc sun...Why spiral? Arc sun allows...seasons...variety...change....slight but present....spiral seems...unnecessary...overcomplicated....odd...unstable...and so on..."
"Any shape can....grow....cannot support spiral....unnecessary, unsatisfying...unappealing...spherical sun more unappealing...."Interesting. I was planning to create a moon, so this would help bring forth the night some desire.
"Counter proposal...rather than second body to falsify a growth/shadow cycle...many moons...Orbit in spiral shape around planet...disc shaped, to cast shadow more effectively...but not completely...growth must continue...
"May the sun rise for the first time, whatever shape it may be. However, I must disagree with creating a toroidal planet. Such a world would not see a day-night cycle without further constructs, which goes against my plans. A simple body rotating around its axis, orbiting the sun might not seem interesting, but it follows the so-called KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid. Still, as it seems you might actually create a toroidal planet despite me, I am going to make a suggestion: a smaller toroidal celestial body, riddled with holes, between the sun and the planet, set to rotate in the opposite direction of the planet. The moon would eclipse the sun at even intervals, creating a day-night cycle."
"On another note, why are you all talking in beige prose? Surely you understand that with the eternity of time we have, there is no need to contract speech unnecessarily. It would also reduce the confusion and misunderstandings I notice between some of you."
Rather than spiral, I agree with Lithus/Luthis suggestion of long rodlike sun. Would this be more acceptable to you Teburshe? And to the rest of you as well?"I do not...recall this suggestion...but I would be...amenable to it, yes...."
"I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive."
"I propose a pair of spherical suns many planets orbiting each, with several Layline Portals naturally connecting them. A mortal would be capable of using a portal to transit between worlds."
"That is very much acceptable. Considering the basic idea stays the same, I see no reason not to prefer this idea or mine over one another."
"Counter proposal...rather than second body to falsify a growth/shadow cycle...many moons...Orbit in spiral shape around planet...disc shaped, to cast shadow more effectively...but not completely...growth must continue...
Here, This is what I propose."I presume the moons are also to move along the toroid? If they don't, this is a terrible idea, as it leaves places without the day-night cycle. If they do, the concept remains the same as in my or Teburshe's suggestions, and I still fail to see which one is superior."
"I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive.""Indeed. Having to devise further constructs, such as the moons here outlined, just to make an idea work at a similar effectiveness to a simpler option, is inefficient and avoidable."
"Indeed. Having to devise further constructs, such as the moons here outlined, just to make an idea work at a similar effectiveness to a simpler option, is inefficient and avoidable."The thing is, I was planning to make a moon anyway, so this isn't a onerous additional requirement simply to add a feature that I don't actually particularly value in my case.
My counter-argument to Nilva also applies to what you said. As for your question, the idea was that since not everyone was interested in a day/night cycle, those who wanted it could add moons like the one I proposed over the areas they plan to occupy without bothering those who don't have a need for them with additional costs. So no, they would not move horizontally, only around a specific portion of the planet, and I fail to see how this would make them worthless, considering the arguments I brought up earlier."That is very much acceptable. Considering the basic idea stays the same, I see no reason not to prefer this idea or mine over one another."
"Counter proposal...rather than second body to falsify a growth/shadow cycle...many moons...Orbit in spiral shape around planet...disc shaped, to cast shadow more effectively...but not completely...growth must continue...Here, This is what I propose."I presume the moons are also to move along the toroid? If they don't, this is a terrible idea, as it leaves places without the day-night cycle. If they do, the concept remains the same as in my or Teburshe's suggestions, and I still fail to see which one is superior.""I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive.""Indeed. Having to devise further constructs, such as the moons here outlined, just to make an idea work at a similar effectiveness to a simpler option, is inefficient and avoidable."
"I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive."While I am interested in multiple planets linked by portals, this would seem to be a flagrant waste of resources, considering the high costs to create multiple planets, and two suns. Why two suns?
"I propose a pair of spherical suns many planets orbiting each, with several Layline Portals naturally connecting them. A mortal would be capable of using a portal to transit between worlds."
"Less boring than one sun. Seemingly the only reason for Torus is because a standard system is boring. Therefore judged as more likely to acquire support than a single star. Single star would be preferable. Less waste.""I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive."While I am interested in multiple planets linked by portals, this would seem to be a flagrant waste of resources, considering the high costs to create multiple planets, and two suns. Why two suns?
"I propose a pair of spherical suns many planets orbiting each, with several Layline Portals naturally connecting them. A mortal would be capable of using a portal to transit between worlds."
'Without a day/night cycle, one side will freeze and the other will liquify. Uninhabitable deathworld."My counter-argument to Nilva also applies to what you said. As for your question, the idea was that since not everyone was interested in a day/night cycle, those who wanted it could add moons like the one I proposed over the areas they plan to occupy without bothering those who don't have a need for them with additional costs. So no, they would not move horizontally, only around a specific portion of the planet, and I fail to see how this would make them worthless, considering the arguments I brought up earlier."That is very much acceptable. Considering the basic idea stays the same, I see no reason not to prefer this idea or mine over one another."
"Counter proposal...rather than second body to falsify a growth/shadow cycle...many moons...Orbit in spiral shape around planet...disc shaped, to cast shadow more effectively...but not completely...growth must continue...Here, This is what I propose."I presume the moons are also to move along the toroid? If they don't, this is a terrible idea, as it leaves places without the day-night cycle. If they do, the concept remains the same as in my or Teburshe's suggestions, and I still fail to see which one is superior.""I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive.""Indeed. Having to devise further constructs, such as the moons here outlined, just to make an idea work at a similar effectiveness to a simpler option, is inefficient and avoidable."
My counter-argument to Nilva also applies to what you said. As for your question, the idea was that since not everyone was interested in a day/night cycle, those who wanted it could add moons like the one I proposed over the areas they plan to occupy without bothering those who don't have a need for them with additional costs. So no, they would not move horizontally, only around a specific portion of the planet, and I fail to see how this would make them worthless, considering the arguments I brought up earlier."Lack of horizontal movement severely reduces resource efficiency, and making it the work of individual gods for specific areas only moves the problem elsewhere.
We already went over this point too, you should pay more attention to the discussion, considering it concerns the creation of everything. The consensus was that we can easily create lifeforms that can survive in these environments, and even if you choose not to, the northern and southern portions of this world would be temperate, allowing standard life. Space will also not be an issue, as the planet will be the size of an orbit."Less boring than one sun. Seemingly the only reason for Torus is because a standard system is boring. Therefore judged as more likely to acquire support than a single star. Single star would be preferable. Less waste.""I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive."While I am interested in multiple planets linked by portals, this would seem to be a flagrant waste of resources, considering the high costs to create multiple planets, and two suns. Why two suns?
"I propose a pair of spherical suns many planets orbiting each, with several Layline Portals naturally connecting them. A mortal would be capable of using a portal to transit between worlds."'Without a day/night cycle, one side will freeze and the other will liquify. Uninhabitable deathworld."My counter-argument to Nilva also applies to what you said. As for your question, the idea was that since not everyone was interested in a day/night cycle, those who wanted it could add moons like the one I proposed over the areas they plan to occupy without bothering those who don't have a need for them with additional costs. So no, they would not move horizontally, only around a specific portion of the planet, and I fail to see how this would make them worthless, considering the arguments I brought up earlier."That is very much acceptable. Considering the basic idea stays the same, I see no reason not to prefer this idea or mine over one another."
"Counter proposal...rather than second body to falsify a growth/shadow cycle...many moons...Orbit in spiral shape around planet...disc shaped, to cast shadow more effectively...but not completely...growth must continue...Here, This is what I propose."I presume the moons are also to move along the toroid? If they don't, this is a terrible idea, as it leaves places without the day-night cycle. If they do, the concept remains the same as in my or Teburshe's suggestions, and I still fail to see which one is superior.""I oppose a Torus. The lack of day and night will result in the sunned side liquefying. Uninhabitable and excessively expensive.""Indeed. Having to devise further constructs, such as the moons here outlined, just to make an idea work at a similar effectiveness to a simpler option, is inefficient and avoidable."
"We are at an issue. Perhaps tiebreaker. Simplicity needed. Simple- two planets. Sphere sun in between. Planets orbit sun and rotate. Simple better. Another idea. When a sentient being dies, if that being is virtuous by several gods' standards, that being goes to the other world. Otherwise we take the essence for our own purposes. Odd. I am gaining in complexity.""Suitable proposal. Would support provided planets have at least one moon each."
"To you, Izgamlo, it brings options for any magic you may want to add. For example, you could decide that something only works when a moon is in zenith on a silvernight. If that's not enough, since you seem quite ambivalent, I could just owe you the favour of your support on the idea. Bribery is an ugly word, but I'll help you if you help me."Ultimately, such effects can be replicated by other means, such as stellar constellations. I find the sense of timelessness that can be evoked by a lack of clear delineation of time to be more interesting in effects it could have on magic use, how do you deal with the fact that a spell lasts a week if there is no week?
"We are at an issue. Perhaps tiebreaker. Simplicity needed. Simple- two planets. Sphere sun in between. Planets orbit sun and rotate. Simple better. Another idea. When a sentient being dies, if that being is virtuous by several gods' standards, that being goes to the other world. Otherwise we take the essence for our own purposes. Odd. I am gaining in complexity."What happens to souls after creatures die is a unrelated issue that we should tackle at a later time I think. Unless we did something silly like making a planet out of the souls of the dead.
"Izgamlo, please listen more closely. What you replied to was my argument on a day-night cycle, not a planetary shape.What's your point? I responded with why I didn't value a day-night cycle. Then after that I explained why I valued a torus system and was thus voting for it.
"What more do we really need other than a simple sphere, with other spheres orbiting around it?"Some creativity?
"What more do we really need other than a simple sphere, with other spheres orbiting around it?""Agreed."
"Creativity does not necessarily benefit our asyet unborn children."I could turn that around and say that neither does a lack of it. Why would a sphere surrounded by lesser sycophantic spheres be better for our creations?
I could turn that around and say that neither does a lack of it. Why would a sphere surrounded by lesser sycophantic spheres be better for our creations?"By extension of it being better for us, if I may turn it around again. If only through saving resources for other projects, such as said creations."
Certainly, for those who find utility in spheres. I can understand the value you place on a day-night cycle, even if I don't share that opinion. However, I can't see any obvious use Uztot might get from such a planetary configuration. The only real use he might get from events at the planetary scale is if planet made up of blood was created. In addition, the torus system can only be considered more resource intensive if you wish to add a day-night cycle, which Uztot might not value as much as you.I could turn that around and say that neither does a lack of it. Why would a sphere surrounded by lesser sycophantic spheres be better for our creations?"By extension of it being better for us, if I may turn it around again. If only through saving resources for other projects, such as said creations."
"How about a single star with a single planet and a single moon. The moon slowly orbits outward. The planet slowly gains mass. Eventually resulting in portals needed to get anywhere, as well as effectively infinite space and a stable moon."Gravity would become a problem eventually, lest the creatures living on the surface get crushed under their own weight.
Why is the torus considered more complex?
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Torus World:
Sphere System: Nilva, Gai-gen
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"This is simply for the purpose of deciding if we want a torus world or a sphere system. Personally, I find value in a sphere system, rather than the more complex torus. Also. I do not understand why growth in the world or worlds is wanted. Elaborate. Hm. Complexity increases."
"More work is required to allow life on a torus system. And... hm. Complexity is hard to define. Like happiness. But it is present in the torus, and not as much in a simple sphere."I disagree. Comparatively the torus is less complex, and whether it'd truly be more complex to create life is debatable. By what metric is a ring more complex than a ball? Especially since the ball is spinning on its own axis while also circling a sun, while the ring is simply turning around the sun, if even that.
"So you do not want a day-night cycle? Such a thing is easier to implement for a sphere."It is not so much that I do not want a day/night cycle, as that I am largely ambivalent on the matter. I fail to see why such a large value is placed on it by most of you. So ultimately Gai-gen, you also focus mainly on the ease of implementing a day-night cycle?
"Acknowledged."
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Torus World: Izgamlo, Luthus
Sphere System: Nilva, Gai-gen
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"Correct. A day-night cycle would cost more essence for a torus world than a sphere."
"Correct. A day-night cycle would cost more essence for a torus world than a sphere."Might I ask why exactly you desire a day/night cycle?
"Hm. Would it be true to state that my brethren are more concerned for themselves than for our forthcoming children? I am merely curious. And you forgot my vote for the sphere system."Why form a distinction? Our creations are us, and we are our creations. After all, we take from our own essence to create them.
"Hm. Would it be true to state that my brethren are more concerned for themselves than for our forthcoming children? I am merely curious. And you forgot my vote for the sphere system.""Watch your tongue, God of Unneeded Parenting Advice less I rip it from your mouth."
Disorientation may also be present in our creations without one.Disagreement. A creature that has never known such a cycle would not be disorientated by its absence. Day and night are merely variations in ambient illumination, not some foundational building block of life.
And what else would you base a calendar on?Seasons obviously.
Disorientation may also be present in our creations without one.Disagreement. A creature that has never known such a cycle would not be disorientated by it's absence.QuoteAnd what else would you base a calendar on?Seasons obviously.
"I vote for the Torus world.""I have no desire to preach to my fellows. Merely to know where they stand.""Hm. Would it be true to state that my brethren are more concerned for themselves than for our forthcoming children? I am merely curious. And you forgot my vote for the sphere system.""Watch your tongue, God of Unneeded Parenting Advice less I rip it from your mouth."
Seasons can be added at no cost to the torus world by having it be slightly off center from the sun, so that part of it is closer and part of it is farther. As the torus rotates, this would cause seasonal variations as the distance from the sun changes.Disorientation may also be present in our creations without one.Disagreement. A creature that has never known such a cycle would not be disorientated by it's absence.QuoteAnd what else would you base a calendar on?Seasons obviously.
While I agree that those who never saw the night would not miss it, but what seasons?
I vote for Torus world.
"We are at an issue. Perhaps tiebreaker. Simplicity needed. Simple- two planets. Sphere sun in between. Planets orbit sun and rotate. Simple better. Another idea. When a sentient being dies, if that being is virtuous by several gods' standards, that being goes to the other world. Otherwise we take the essence for our own purposes. Odd. I am gaining in complexity.""I am in support of this idea but only if it is changed, somewhat. Firstly, I request that each planet has its own moon, tidally-locked to their own planet and orbiting them. This is merely a preference and a world without them would be acceptable in my eyes.
Once again, I agree with your first idea but must question the second. How do you immagine a ring with axial tilt would look like?((Like this? ???
"Hello, everyone. I am Iliseth, Goddess of Souls and Blood." *bows* "I see that you have already begun talking about the world. Allow me to join.""This has my support.""We are at an issue. Perhaps tiebreaker. Simplicity needed. Simple- two planets. Sphere sun in between. Planets orbit sun and rotate. Simple better. Another idea. When a sentient being dies, if that being is virtuous by several gods' standards, that being goes to the other world. Otherwise we take the essence for our own purposes. Odd. I am gaining in complexity.""I am in support of this idea but only if it is changed, somewhat. Firstly, I request that each planet has its own moon, tidally-locked to their own planet and orbiting them. This is merely a preference and a world without them would be acceptable in my eyes.
Secondly and much more importantly, while I am in support of the idea of reincarnation, the system should merely be used as default and not enforced. If we were to make an afterlife, there should be nothing that prevents our followers from entering it.
Thirdly, I am against the idea that only being virtuous by many of our standards should be allowed to reincarnate. There are many problems with this system and I will list them below, but I believe that all sapient souls should be allowed to reincarnate by default. There is little reason in my eyes why we should use our time to save the souls of sentient or lesser beings. By definition they cannot worship us and so long as reincarnation is not necessary for the allowing of life to exist, there is no point."
(Using the Ye Gods definition of sentient. Non-sentient=no free will; sentient=free will; sapient=free will and capable of worship. Ants are non-sentient, dogs are sentient, humans are sapient.)
"In my opinion, 'because we're gods' is a poor reason to do the least-optimal thing. It is within our power to make a toric system but it would require more work than creating a simple spherical system if we want it to perform as well as one."Why is that? What basis do you have for these claims? Please don't tell me this is about the day-night cycle thing again
Increased cost for creating a planet large enough that it wraps all the way around the sunFalse. It would cost exactly the same as a conventional planet.
Increased cost for defying gravity to allow its existence
*Another way is to change how gravity itself works but not only would that also cost Essence, it would have serious unforeseen consequences. Also, we'd be changing a law of nature just to accommodate a planetWe're gods at the literal beginning of time. Physics hasn't been set in stone yet. How we make our solar system will probably iron out most of the details, without us needing to expend essence.
Ever-present deadzones on two sides of the world without artificial protection (costs Essence)Debateable whether they would actually be deadzones, i.e. no they fucking wouldn't be. We can make creatures who can survive in vacuum, and you're worried about it being too cold or hot?
The creation of entire moons for a day/night cycle...must resist urge to flip out and destroy the concepts of day and night...
*The front moon would have to be large enough or else the front of the planet will turn into a deadzoneJust make it flat.
If the front is a deadzone, it will eventually melt and evaporate away, destroying the rest of the planetWhat?
*Spending Essence for some kind of protectionAgainst what?
*Changing physics so this wouldn't happen (costs Essence, unforeseen consequences (one foreseen consequence is the increased difficulty of metal-working))You're the only one focused on changing physics here.
"I've spoken as much as I care to about the material world. I'm curious, Izgamlo, are you able to use magic at the moment?"That depends entirely on whether you classify the divine powers we all possess as magic.
"I do not.""I've spoken as much as I care to about the material world. I'm curious, Izgamlo, are you able to use magic at the moment?"That depends entirely on whether you classify the divine powers we all possess as magic.
Then the answer should be self-evident. I like how you're not responding to my points. This leads me to believe that you have no decent rebuttals, thus meaning a tacit acknowledgement that I'm correct. Of course you're still going to support making spherical planets. Because of course you are. Sigh."I do not.""I've spoken as much as I care to about the material world. I'm curious, Izgamlo, are you able to use magic at the moment?"That depends entirely on whether you classify the divine powers we all possess as magic.
"I stated very clearly the reason I didn't and won't respond is because I don't care enough to do so. My interests lie much more heavily in the immaterial; souls, magic, and the like. The phenomenon of a god of Magic not being able to use magic is more interesting to me than arguing about the shape of a planet."I have the potentia to create magic with but a thought. Our spheres do not grant us any inherent abilities, merely eases the way to creating them. Where is the deep philosophical meaning in this? This seems pointless navelgazing.
> Use all of my power to rip numerous holes in the fabric of space(Are you talking about Power or are you talking about Essence, Power, and Crux combined? Capitalisation is important.)
((No it isn't. Terminology is. I said power, so I'm talking about power, not essence or crux.))> Use all of my power to rip numerous holes in the fabric of space(Are you talking about Power or are you talking about Essence, Power, and Crux combined? Capitalisation is important.)
She awoke.(I'm having trouble seeing that text. Maybe make it a yellow glow?)
Debate and argument; a minor jolt. His mind became unclouded and alert. It tasted excellent although she would have preferred something with more meat on the bones.
He guided his form up to the debates of the gods and introduced herself. "I see we are already at odds; I thank you for giving me my first meal of this new eternity. I am Mavnon, deity of Conflict and I would very much hope that we will work together most splendidly."
"As for this debate about planets and stars I frankly do not care. I shall be content with any creation you create. Do as you will."
She looked around at her gathered brehtren; 16 in total. She focused on what seemed to be a deity of doors, wondering what it wa-
Fool.
"At the beginning of time itself, you dare already bring chaos into this realm? Are you mad?!"
I will table any plans for essence usage for now while we argue about planetary systems. In the meantime:"....What the Us are you doing? Have I been born in a dimension where all the 'special' gods go or something?"
> Use all of my power to rip numerous holes in the fabric of space
"For the record...I vote in favor of Toric world, though a spherical world would also see me supporting it..I am...ambivalent on the subject of a growth/shade cycle."I believe the shape of the star was the least controversial matter. A worldseed would have been more appropriate.
"As for calendars...what need have my creations for calendars, if the world is even? They could tell by the blossoms on their skin; the shadows of their charges, if we allow seasons. I am...confused...on many of the points...that Iliseth makes. Many seem...unfounded?"
"...in any case, the germination season is almost over...if none else will...then I must be the one to plant the first seed."
Create a star-seed using 5 Essence. It can only grow into a full star with the Essence/Power of other gods being put into it until it is fully formed. The more essence put in, the more 'votes' they wil have as to it's final appearance/shape.
You both overreact. This void is very robust by it's very lack of anything to break. At worst, minor problems, easily fixed would occur. Or nothing would happen. At best I will learn more about the nature of space in this universe. We must take action if we wish learn more about this reality. Do let caution cripple you into inaction, or forcing others into inaction.She awoke.(I'm having trouble seeing that text. Maybe make it a yellow glow?)
Debate and argument; a minor jolt. His mind became unclouded and alert. It tasted excellent although she would have preferred something with more meat on the bones.
He guided his form up to the debates of the gods and introduced herself. "I see we are already at odds; I thank you for giving me my first meal of this new eternity. I am Mavnon, deity of Conflict and I would very much hope that we will work together most splendidly."
"As for this debate about planets and stars I frankly do not care. I shall be content with any creation you create. Do as you will."
She looked around at her gathered brehtren; 16 in total. She focused on what seemed to be a deity of doors, wondering what it wa-
Fool.
"At the beginning of time itself, you dare already bring chaos into this realm? Are you mad?!"
"It is understandable. He is the god of Magic yet there is no magic. That he should break the bounds of the universe with so much force, however, is unacceptable. Should we counter-act his attempt with our own Power?"
"I would aid with the blocking. We do not want chaos at this level of creation- order until later."
((You guys suck. :( I'm not even allowed to rip holes in space around here. You're acting like I was trying to destroy reality or something.))I will table any plans for essence usage for now while we argue about planetary systems. In the meantime:"....What the Us are you doing? Have I been born in a dimension where all the 'special' gods go or something?"
> Use all of my power to rip numerous holes in the fabric of space
Smack this insane god until it stops its inane flailing about.
"For the record...I vote in favor of Toric world, though a spherical world would also see me supporting it..I am...ambivalent on the subject of a growth/shade cycle."Oh, someone is doing something, finally some progress!
"As for calendars...what need have my creations for calendars, if the world is even? They could tell by the blossoms on their skin; the shadows of their charges, if we allow seasons. I am...confused...on many of the points...that Iliseth makes. Many seem...unfounded?"
"...in any case, the germination season is almost over...if none else will...then I must be the one to plant the first seed."
Create a star-seed using 5 Essence. It can only grow into a full star with the Essence/Power of other gods being put into it until it is fully formed. The more essence put in, the more 'votes' they wil have as to it's final appearance/shape.
"I would aid with the blocking. We do not want chaos at this level of creation- order until later."Block Izgamlo's breakage of space with Gai-gen's help. Use Power.
Laughter echos across the void. Uztot almost manages a frown."Hear what?"
"Does anyone else hear that? Or have I also gone crazy?"
"I do not appreciate madness. Yet there must be mortals for all of our purposes.""I would aid with the blocking. We do not want chaos at this level of creation- order until later."Block Izgamlo's breakage of space with Gai-gen's help. Use Power.
"When mortals come into existence, I shall see to it that they know of the madness of Izgamlo."
"I could've sworn I heard a sinister voice taunting us, and then laughing."And they'd be right to do so. We can't seem to get anything done. At this rate it seems we'll have our first death before we even have a world to fight for.
Aye, match her power, for each point of Power she puts in to stop Izgamlo's breakage, put in one also. If she's not a she... be mechanically embarrassed.(My ninja-editing has failed! But Iliseth is definitely a she.)
Contribute 1 power to stopping Izgamlo. If somehow he still undergoes his research, use 8 to attempt to kill him.If Izgamlo backs down, don't put into any Power into stopping him. (This is how it goes by default, right?)
Contribute 1 power to stopping Izgamlo. If somehow he still undergoes his research, use 8 to attempt to kill him.If Izgamlo backs down, don't put into any Power into stopping him. (This is how it goes by default, right?)
"After this mess is finished, would you like to spar, god of Conflict? It would do us both well and it is nothing if not fun."
The halberd returned to the immaterial. "Better tyranny than anarchy Izgamlo. They are words to live by."((You are supposed to specify which shape you support.))
She looked at Teburshe's Seed. "I shall contribute an iota of Essence."
1 Essence to the Solar Seed.
((I don't see why that would be a requirement. Just donating power should be a valid action))The halberd returned to the immaterial. "Better tyranny than anarchy Izgamlo. They are words to live by."((You are supposed to specify which shape you support.))
She looked at Teburshe's Seed. "I shall contribute an iota of Essence."
1 Essence to the Solar Seed.
Looking wistful, Mavnon looked out to the void. "Though this sun and planet I leave up to your decisions, I do believe I can contribute a celestial body. Anyone interested in it's creation?"
Mavnon conjured an image of a small planetoid surrounded by a ring and what seemed to be a glass sphere. "I call it the Mad Moon."Spoiler: Mad Moon (click to show/hide)
"This is bad for every god here. If a mortal is mad then their ability to hold us in their mind and worship us would decrease, lowering our income of Essence."Spoiler: Mad Moon (click to show/hide)
"Creepy voice. Possible insanity. This should be an interesting experience.""If you give me access to your soul I may be able to remove your madness."
Patronius wakes from his slumber at last; he simply could not bring himself to spend the effort of shaping himself from the Void.Me, of course, who else could lead this assembly of gods?
"Hmmm. Who is the leader of this gathering?"
Patronius examines the other Gods who have emerged from the void; he also takes a particular interest in the duel between Mavnon and Iliseth.
Me, of course, who else could lead this assembly of gods?
Me, of course, who else could lead this assembly of gods?
Patronius yawns, "Whatever, works for me. It sure doesn't look like you're leading anyone, though." Glance over at the other Gods, fighting and bickering amongst each other.
Luthus manifest himself by making his set of armor appear.
You are the god of leadership, right? Maybe you can help. I wish to build a world shaped like a magnificent donut, and warm it with a rod-like sun. However some of the other gods seem obsessed with the idea of shaping everything like a dull ball. Surely you wish for a donut, I mean, you like donuts, right?
Liram quits its brooding.
Very interesting layout... but very empty nonetheless, but how are mortals supposed to navigate their massive world with no major landmarks in the heavens to chart, beyond the star? This world I imagine is... huge, huge enough to wrap around a hydrogen fusing body. One can only imagine the size of it's plains, and... oceans.
Liram quits its brooding.
Very interesting layout... but very empty nonetheless, but how are mortals supposed to navigate their massive world with no major landmarks in the heavens to chart, beyond the star? This world I imagine is... huge, huge enough to wrap around a hydrogen fusing body. One can only imagine the size of it's plains, and... oceans.
"I would be willing to collaborate on the creation of other celestial bodies...as long as they have aspects similar to the Mad Moon."
"You desire...a Torus-shaped star, Lauxal...?...or a Torus world...upon which your creations have abounding places in which to roam...or do you wish for a spherical world...in which your beasts may traverse...the whole of it's surface...given time""A Torus world."
"It will even harm some things I plan to create that do not live. So don't make Mad Moon, or I will kill you Luthus, that is all."Liram quits its brooding.
Very interesting layout... but very empty nonetheless, but how are mortals supposed to navigate their massive world with no major landmarks in the heavens to chart, beyond the star? This world I imagine is... huge, huge enough to wrap around a hydrogen fusing body. One can only imagine the size of it's plains, and... oceans.
"I would be willing to collaborate on the creation of other celestial bodies...as long as they have aspects similar to the Mad Moon."
Madness-inducing night sky? How is that going to benefit anyone, even you? We're talking about something that will harm pretty much anything that lives.
What. Surely you mean Mavnon, instead of me, right? I'm the one opposing the idea, not the one proposing it."You desire...a Torus-shaped star, Lauxal...?...or a Torus world...upon which your creations have abounding places in which to roam...or do you wish for a spherical world...in which your beasts may traverse...the whole of it's surface...given time""A Torus world.""It will even harm some things I plan to create that do not live. So don't make Mad Moon, or I will kill you Luthus, that is all."Liram quits its brooding.
Very interesting layout... but very empty nonetheless, but how are mortals supposed to navigate their massive world with no major landmarks in the heavens to chart, beyond the star? This world I imagine is... huge, huge enough to wrap around a hydrogen fusing body. One can only imagine the size of it's plains, and... oceans.
"I would be willing to collaborate on the creation of other celestial bodies...as long as they have aspects similar to the Mad Moon."
Madness-inducing night sky? How is that going to benefit anyone, even you? We're talking about something that will harm pretty much anything that lives.
"Aspects. Perhaps Madness is too...broad a word? The strengthening of emotions, of magics and desires. Those are the main effects. The Madness, the great desire to commit Conflict, is only for those who stare for too long into the skies. That desire will fade, as with all desires, in time."
Mavnon dodged a slash from his opponent, striking at the goddess' flank.
"Truly, I am perplexed at your opposition. You call for Revolution but deny the motivation needed. Will the serf rise without prodding against his baron? Does the scholar dare publish his results, without the pride and righteousness she feels?
Mavnon took a slash to his chest, laughing slightly. "Good!" She shouted at Iliseth.
"I am sure you mean me, arachnid. In which case, I will gloriously fight you in a time to come."
My apologies Luthus, everyone is still quite new to me. After all we have barely been born and almost nobody as actually introduced themselves.What. Surely you mean Mavnon, instead of me, right? I'm the one opposing the idea, not the one proposing it."You desire...a Torus-shaped star, Lauxal...?...or a Torus world...upon which your creations have abounding places in which to roam...or do you wish for a spherical world...in which your beasts may traverse...the whole of it's surface...given time""A Torus world.""It will even harm some things I plan to create that do not live. So don't make Mad Moon, or I will kill you Luthus, that is all."Liram quits its brooding.
Very interesting layout... but very empty nonetheless, but how are mortals supposed to navigate their massive world with no major landmarks in the heavens to chart, beyond the star? This world I imagine is... huge, huge enough to wrap around a hydrogen fusing body. One can only imagine the size of it's plains, and... oceans.
"I would be willing to collaborate on the creation of other celestial bodies...as long as they have aspects similar to the Mad Moon."
Madness-inducing night sky? How is that going to benefit anyone, even you? We're talking about something that will harm pretty much anything that lives.
"Good!" She shouted at Iliseth.
"I am sure you mean me, arachnid. In which case, I will gloriously fight you in a time to come."
Nilva has been sleeping for most of the argument. Sorta drifting off in the metaphysical corner somewhere."We have not."
"I got bored. What the shit did I miss? Have we made anything yet?"
"The feth is wrong with you all?!""Some of us here want a cylindrical sun and others want a spherical one. Some want a toric planet and others want a spherical one. We have created Seeds of both where gods put in Essence or Power to vote on what their shape should be."
"What's the main issue?
"That could work, I suppose. All things considered, we could make them mechanical. It makes more sense that they'd only work when activated and only activated when powered than if they'd simply stop sleeping when given Power.""Sure. Long as it's wolfshaped."
"I do not believe you have the capacity to bar usage. Rendering your threat pointless.""Thus why...I asked those...who are helping create it...the alternative...of course...is the project failing...entirely...should we desire it...we likely can...and besides...in what way...is it a threat...if you lose nothing by it?...it simply does not aid you...you who have done nothing to help..."
"I believe...it might be prudent...to entice the rest of you to aid us...Iliseth...Lithus...would you...find it agreeable to say...that those of us who refuse to contribute Essence...be disallowed from the use of the planet?"Absolutely not. That would drive most of the gods into practical exile and (while certainly rather childish-sounding) sharing is caring. Also, it is most of the other gods who will foster the growth of life, souls, and worship for the rest of us once their creations fragment away from worshipping their creator alone."
"You cannot bar anyone from use. Therefore do not attempt to threaten. It is pointless.""Nilva, he has reason for laying his claim. Don't mock him."
A moon orbiting the sun closer than the torus could serve the purpose of timekeeping easily, and I assume the spherical world also includes such a satellite, so the arguments of additional costs or needless complexity don't apply in this case."In a spherical world, the day-night cycle comes from the planet's own rotation, not an external body. A moon would not be essential."
"Creepy voice. Possible insanity. This should be an interesting experience.""Honestly, I did not take you for one to daydream about dragons. Especially ones wearing snazzy hats. Interesting."
"I believe...it might be prudent...to entice the rest of you to aid us...Iliseth...Lithus...would you...find it agreeable to say...that those of us who refuse to contribute Essence...be disallowed from the use of the planet?"Define 'use of the planet'. I can sense I am not going like the answer."
Nivla, patroneus, everyone else, this is not the time for petty competition or pretending for superiority. We have a world and it is about to rip itself apart. Either you choose to help and have a world to use, or you do nothing and be remembered by everyone else as useless, lazy, selfish, untrustworthy, etc, etc."I have helped with the sun. I cannot help with the planet and still make my own race afterwards. I hope you will not hold that against me but creating souls is more important to me than creating a planet."
((I won't bother mentioning the armor thing anymore, you can all assume it happens each time I change my text color.))
Anyone who might choose inaction might as well be dead to me. The first impression is the most important one, so be all careful of how you all choose to act for this first crisis, as it will determine how we will all view each other.
Wheezing. Rest..."Please rest. I will make sure you are considered favourably by my followers for your efforts in creating the world. Perhaps you want to name the star and the planet?"
"How much Essence does it Require to be stabilized? I am not willing to spend energy on something that will rip itself apart regardless.""Enough to replace the Power I would think."
"You won't have...a planet...to make a race upon...at this rate...whereas...if you used Crux...you would be perfectly capable...of building your race...unless you worry...that someone will attack you...for some strange reason...?...if you are assailed...then I promise my aid to you...so long as...you simply aid the planet's construction..."Ahahaha! No, I do not require the planet to create a race. The problem is that stabilising the planet would cost me too much Essence and leave me with enough to create a race. I am willing to put 1 Essence into stabilising the planet but only if others help foot the proverbial bill. That is the most I can offer."
...thank you...Liram...as for how much it needs...I am guessing...somewhere around...between five and seven more Essence...as the Power...simply needs to be given a frame to hold it...from falling apart...and then allowed to work..."
1 Essence into the planet. Spherical or mobius toroid (if not enough votes for spherical to succeed) so it can twist."Oh, yes! We don't even need to ignore geometry if we make it a Möbius loop. Excellent."
"And...my thanks...Luthus...though I find it somewhat...funny that...your views of Gods...are not subject to...progress?"
"I have helped with the sun. I cannot help with the planet and still make my own race afterwards. I hope you will not hold that against me but creating souls is more important to me than creating a planet."
"I am certainly willing to help, but I do nothing for free. Consider it a matter of... principle.
And before you threaten me; no, I do not care if this attempt at world-building fails or succeeds without me. I have nothing to gain or lose by putting my own energy into assisting you at the current moment. Except the energy spent, of course."
((Just something I forgot....))Investigate!
A massive expense of Power is detected! In an empty part of the Void, there seems to be more nothing then normal. Or is it less?
((Just something I forgot....))Investigate!
A massive expense of Power is detected! In an empty part of the Void, there seems to be more nothing then normal. Or is it less?
"True. We have no code of conduct. Let me construct one.""Define Break, Define Extinction Events, Define God.""Is this acceptable?"Spoiler: Iliseth's Code of Conduct (click to show/hide)
"Altering or destroying the universe or its laws or creating new laws. Anything that would utterly destroy a sapient race. Us.""Define Altering."
"Might I suggest you check the Power levels of every god plus Power spent publicly? The one with the least amount of Power is the most likely culprit, should it be one of us."I have already spent most of my resources on this project. Do not assume that the one who have spent the most is guilty, as
This narrowness of mind so many of you seem to suffer is HIGHLY irritable and pointless. Reality is what we define it to be, not some stupid pre-established "truth"."Do not claim that you don't have your own agenda to push. We all have. A certain narrow-mindedness is simply vital for a god's survival. As you say, reality is what we define it as, and I define a day-night cycle useful. You call it an useless concept, and that puts us at an impasse. However, remember that I can still pull my Essence from the planet and use it to create the cycle myself, but that would be wasteful for all parties involved. In fact, I think I'll make that my simple ultimatum on this matter. I recommend those who support the concept do the same as well."
I need a desert and a permanently exposed section of the liquid mantle for my projects."Why didn't you say so? Plate tectonics, weather patterns... There will most likely be such areas somewhere, and with as large as the Möbius Torus is, I would, without asking what it is you plan, presume it is going to be enough for you. And as the planet is largely based on its creators, there will probably be everything for everyone."
I need a desert and a permanently exposed section of the liquid mantle for my projects."Why didn't you say so? Plate tectonics, weather patterns... There will most likely be such areas somewhere, and with as large as the Möbius Torus is, I would, without asking what it is you plan, presume it is going to be enough for you. And as the planet is largely based on its creators, there will probably be everything for everyone."
"I still think a rodsun is ugly."
"I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests."
"I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests."As long as such a union has a leader, I will join. Without one, there will be too much argument and a lack of decision-making.
"I still think a rodsun is ugly."Rods are magnificent, and the sight of one as a celestial object is glorious. Hush.
"I will throw a pink wolf at you.""I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests."As long as such a union has a leader, I will join. Without one, there will be too much argument and a lack of decision-making."I still think a rodsun is ugly."Rods are magnificent, and the sight of one as a celestial object is glorious. Hush.
"Would an arbiter with the authority break ties suit your desires?""I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests."As long as such a union has a leader, I will join. Without one, there will be too much argument and a lack of decision-making."I still think a rodsun is ugly."Rods are magnificent, and the sight of one as a celestial object is glorious. Hush.
"Only if the arbiter is a wasp and has to wear a tophat.""Would an arbiter with the authority break ties suit your desires?""I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests."As long as such a union has a leader, I will join. Without one, there will be too much argument and a lack of decision-making."I still think a rodsun is ugly."Rods are magnificent, and the sight of one as a celestial object is glorious. Hush.
"Would an arbiter with the authority break ties suit your desires?"Mmm, if such an arbiter had several additional powers, that would be acceptable. Democracy is not inherently bad, but organized leadership is a must for anything to be accomplished.
"I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests."As long as such a union has a leader, I will join. Without one, there will be too much argument and a lack of decision-making.Nilva investigates the voidy further. What's the difference between the normal Nothing and the Nothing that's leaking in?
"Feel free to list what additional powers you think such an arbiter should have. Before we agree to a union, if we agree on one at all, much discussion is required as to the form it will take.""Would an arbiter with the authority break ties suit your desires?"Mmm, if such an arbiter had several additional powers, that would be acceptable. Democracy is not inherently bad, but organized leadership is a must for anything to be accomplished.
"I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests.""Hmm....to be honest the only things that sound appealing about such a union is the protection of the universe's reality and for the punishing of gods. Considering most of us would rather spend our energy on creation rather than the punishing of gods or the protection of reality, a union where the will of all the gods is needed to minimise the energy spent as well as give strength to whatever judgements or preventative measures we put into place. As it is necessary, I will back the creation of such a union."
Izgamlo:1/3/5"This is proof that it was Izgamlo who made the hole in the universe! As suspected, he used all his Power to break the barrier apart and who knows what's going to happen now."
"Well fought Soulseeker; I do hope we can continue these duels later...perhaps with mortals and words to back our weapons." Mavnon sheathed her halberd into the Immaterium, bowing to her opponent, as was her custom.Iliseth sheathes her own sword in the scabbard by her waist. (lol Immaterium) "Congratulations your victory, Mavlon. I too await our next bout when it is appropriate. I have no intention, however, of using my followers as pawns in our game. Should we make a place where death and injury gained inside it is temporary, I will consider sending my paladins there to fight yours."
"...I am cautious of being bonded to such a thing so early in the prehistory of Creation. Should any real problems arise, we as gods can easily convene to deal with such issues.""I believe the union Uztot seeks to make is a tool we can use to make to enforce our decisions in such conventions. That, at least, is what I think and why I am supporting such a union."
"We could elect someone whose job it is to break ties and judge gods who we deem to be guilty of a crime.""Would an arbiter with the authority break ties suit your desires?"Mmm, if such an arbiter had several additional powers, that would be acceptable. Democracy is not inherently bad, but organized leadership is a must for anything to be accomplished.
"We need a lawset first however. Personally I think the only major law should be 'Don't kill, enslave, or use as fuel any divine or transcended being.'""We could elect someone whose job it is to break ties and judge gods who we deem to be guilty of a crime.""Would an arbiter with the authority break ties suit your desires?"Mmm, if such an arbiter had several additional powers, that would be acceptable. Democracy is not inherently bad, but organized leadership is a must for anything to be accomplished.
Iliseth creates 10k humans on the untouched piece of land. (I'm supposed to have 6 Essence, not 3. I said why on the OOC thread.)
"We need a lawset first however. Personally I think the only major law should be 'Don't kill, enslave, or use as fuel any divine or transcended being.'""We could very easily make such a law after the union is formed. The union can help us create such a lawset by tallying votes, even."
"Hm. And what of our mortal children? Should our laws protect them?""No genocide of followers?"
"Hm. And what of our mortal children? Should our laws protect them?""If we want our laws to protect them, we can just make laws concerning them."
"I have an idea to present to you, my fellows. I propose we form a...union, formed in the spirit of cooperation, that would allow us to pass and enforce laws. Or, at the very least, an alliance of like-minded individuals working together for common interests."
"These ants of yours interest me Izgalmo...if only for their status as Creation's first form of life. In all other respects, they seem dull. Their follow their senses and do as needed for their colonies. They have great minds, but little to do with them. I do believe some change is in order."Could I convince you to lower the amount of archons created? A quarter seems too high an amount for what is essentially a ruling caste.
Use Essence to create to transform a quarter of Ant Drones into Archons. In form, Archons are twice the size of a drone and each are marked by bluish chitin. An Archon is able to produce pheromones that unlike other ants, allows him full control over the Colony. Archons will continue to spread their rule until they come into conflict with another Archon's realm; Conflict or Peace will ensue depending on the whims of the Archon. Archons will attempt to impose their views on their populace. As is, all original Archons are aware of Mavnon and Izgalmo.
"I am aware of this. And no.""These ants of yours interest me Izgalmo...if only for their status as Creation's first form of life. In all other respects, they seem dull. Their follow their senses and do as needed for their colonies. They have great minds, but little to do with them. I do believe some change is in order."Could I convince you to lower the amount of archons created? A quarter seems to high an amount for what is essentially a ruling caste of generals.
Use Essence to create to transform a quarter of Ant Drones into Archons. In form, Archons are twice the size of a drone and each are marked by bluish chitin. An Archon is able to produce pheromones that unlike other ants, allows him full control over the Colony. Archons will continue to spread their rule until they come into conflict with another Archon's realm; Conflict or Peace will ensue depending on the whims of the Archon. Archons will attempt to impose their views on their populace. As is, all original Archons are aware of Mavnon and Izgalmo.
Please stop spreading your lies to my creation, mavnon. I see no problem with having you fill the head of your followers with nonsense, but that doesn't mean I will let you do the same to my species. These kinds of beliefs only leads to dogmas, one of the things I despite the most in existence. However I must admit I found your categorization of gods as selfish and selfless based on their contribution quite funny. I will let my species believe in this portion at least.
Appear to many members of humanity (especially the youngest and most newly ordained priests) and explain to them that Illiseth is a lying liar who lies. It was I, Izgamlo who created them, and they should worship me above all others.(These lies are so blatant I don't even need to argue against them. :P)
Also, claims that I'm trying to break the universe are vastly exaggerated, the other gods are just under the mistaken impression the universe is made of fine porcelain.
I ask them but to look at the heavens, all around them they will see my symbol, the dark sun if they know but where to look. I am the one who created the heavens and all beneath it (free?)
Appear to the ants and inform them the archons are foul oppressors forced upon them by Mavnon. If they wished to be free they must fight the mind-controlling pheromones and kill the archons.
(I was actually in the process of getting my dudes to learn when you posted your thing.)((Three. There are three torus fragments.))
"So what should we name the star? I'm half-tempted to name it after myself." Iliseth smiles a bit. "'Kyolin' for the star, perhaps?"
(I'd give a suggestion for the planet but there are multiple fragments and Stirk didn't tell us how many there were. That is, if we were naming the fragments individually and not altogether.)
((Where exactly does it say that? Can you quote it?))(I was actually in the process of getting my dudes to learn when you posted your thing.)((Three. There are three torus fragments.))
"So what should we name the star? I'm half-tempted to name it after myself." Iliseth smiles a bit. "'Kyolin' for the star, perhaps?"
(I'd give a suggestion for the planet but there are multiple fragments and Stirk didn't tell us how many there were. That is, if we were naming the fragments individually and not altogether.)
(Important update)((Emphasis mine.))
The sun seed finally finishes its growth cycle, forming a massive rod in space. The strange energy seems to grow as it gives off intense heat, giving life to the newly formed ants. The star seems to mostly stabilize, slowly performing its purpose. How several of the Gods feel about this is yet to be seen.
In the surrounding areas, the planet also decides on its final shape. The tendrils of dust form into the relatively new addition, surrounding the sun over the course of centuries in an absolutely massive twisting torus. It begins spinning around its sun slowly, the dust now having settled down to mere dust storm levels. The beginnings of different biomes can be seen in the different temperatures of the world, as the Gods had intended.
Finally, the dust on the planet settled completely, as the massive amount of Power input into it seems to vanish. For a moment, the planet is finally stable. Then, massive tremors run through the structure, shaking it to the very core of the planet. Every inch of the twisting torus begins vibrating in different directions! Cracks begin to appear in different locations. All at once, entire plates of earth launch themselves in different directions, flying into the Void. Craters, ranging from absurdly massive to fist sized, fill the surface of the planet. Several sections of the loop simply vanish into dust, breaking what was once a complete loop around the sun into three uneven pieces separated by hundreds of miles of Void. Several areas seem to remain untouched, only to have had their core and mantle removed to become husks of crust. As a final insult, a flare several dozen miles long erupts from the sun and scorches what was once an untouched part of the planet.
As the event finally settles, it seems that not nearly all is lost. Hundreds of millions of square miles have been left completely untouched, with a majority of the cratered area being perfectly habitable to normal life. The planet has been damaged, but not broken.
"... anger. Nonsensical. Irritation. Explain! Explain! EXPLAIN!"((you are dalek))
"Many lies. EXPLAIN!"
I summon an obelisk near the largest Maag settlement. On this obelisk is engraved a log of all that has been said by the gods without any alteration.It might help if you taught your creations how to read first.
Here, my children. This is the truth of what happened before your creation.
I gift them with the knowledge required to create sandstone bricks, allowing them to create permanent settlements. I encourage them to improve the technique or find other uses to it.
((A quick google search tells me you can apparently make them by peeing on sand. wat.))
I also create a specie of tree that can grow on sand and feed exclusively on light and is obviously not sentient. it will have black leaves to allow it to collect the most light possible. I spread 10k of them in the area inhabited by the Maag. I also teach the Maag how to farm them.
...I summon an obelisk near the largest Maag settlement. On this obelisk is engraved a log of all that has been said by the gods without any alteration.It might help if you taught your creations how to read first.
Here, my children. This is the truth of what happened before your creation.
I gift them with the knowledge required to create sandstone bricks, allowing them to create permanent settlements. I encourage them to improve the technique or find other uses to it.
((A quick google search tells me you can apparently make them by peeing on sand. wat.))
I also create a specie of tree that can grow on sand and feed exclusively on light and is obviously not sentient. it will have black leaves to allow it to collect the most light possible. I spread 10k of them in the area inhabited by the Maag. I also teach the Maag how to farm them.
((I can't help but feel that might not be a good idea. In the "it'll explode their brains" sense. But go right ahead! Experimental data is always appreciated! :)) ))...I summon an obelisk near the largest Maag settlement. On this obelisk is engraved a log of all that has been said by the gods without any alteration.It might help if you taught your creations how to read first.
Here, my children. This is the truth of what happened before your creation.
I gift them with the knowledge required to create sandstone bricks, allowing them to create permanent settlements. I encourage them to improve the technique or find other uses to it.
((A quick google search tells me you can apparently make them by peeing on sand. wat.))
I also create a specie of tree that can grow on sand and feed exclusively on light and is obviously not sentient. it will have black leaves to allow it to collect the most light possible. I spread 10k of them in the area inhabited by the Maag. I also teach the Maag how to farm them.
Right. I might have forgotten that.
I teach the Maag how to read, speak and write the language that us gods use.
((what's wrong? It's just plain English. Maybe I should clarify that.))((I can't help but feel that might not be a good idea. In the "it'll explode their brains" sense. But go right ahead! Experimental data is always appreciated! :)) ))...I summon an obelisk near the largest Maag settlement. On this obelisk is engraved a log of all that has been said by the gods without any alteration.It might help if you taught your creations how to read first.
Here, my children. This is the truth of what happened before your creation.
I gift them with the knowledge required to create sandstone bricks, allowing them to create permanent settlements. I encourage them to improve the technique or find other uses to it.
((A quick google search tells me you can apparently make them by peeing on sand. wat.))
I also create a specie of tree that can grow on sand and feed exclusively on light and is obviously not sentient. it will have black leaves to allow it to collect the most light possible. I spread 10k of them in the area inhabited by the Maag. I also teach the Maag how to farm them.
Right. I might have forgotten that.
I teach the Maag how to read, speak and write the language that us gods use.
"Counter."Do this also. And ramble at some random mortal in particular that personally, mystery is fun so might borrow the idea of hidden stuff later.
Go to the newly formed races before my new enemy does, tell them about her impending lies. Inform them that the Shattering was a result of errors made in the world's creation.
Make generic wildlife. So nobody fucking dies cause nobody has anything to eat. Also, some of that wildlife is wolves. Therefore discount.((Didn't stirk say that generic wildlife came with the planet for free?))
((I didn't specify, which appearently means they default to sapient. And I have no problem with that. The sapience.))
((Don't think so. Pretty sure he said only plants game.))
Mavnon finds a human woman, observing her life. In the end, he decides to grant her a form of immortality so she may further the cause of Conflict, granting several abilities to do so. (Mavnon -2E). As she gets her powers, she puts her hand to her chin and thinks for a second. She then snaps her fingers, walking to a nearby pot dedicated to Iliseth and smashes it against the ground. She takes the sharpest shard and ties cloth to the other end, making a makeshift dagger. After smiling of her work, she finds the human word for "Iliseth" on one of the shards and set it down. Then, using her dagger, she carves words into the ground "threatened to kill me". She then points to this message looking up at the sky, hoping any God will see it while not praying.I make the woman a offer. If she promises to serve and worship me, and work as my prophet I will protect her and teach her powerful magic.
Spend 3P on cycles of sun, storm, and soil-bearing winds as a boon to the Great Tree and it's Saplings' growth. Spend 1P on similar things for everyone else's races, unless their gods refuse the gift.[/b]
As for the story they are ordered to chronicle, they etch it into a mud-brick temple along with illustrations.
After they learn writing (and thus reading), I record the events of creation as they actually went in writing.(I was actually supposed to chronicle the story myself. I'm fine with the results.)
"I hope you don't mind my children living with yours Iliseth.""I don't mind at all. I was actually wondering if you might become one of my sparring partners. I'm very interested to see how good of a fighter you are."
(This is cool and all but my god gave you another invitation to spar.)Spoiler: Master and Apprentice (click to show/hide)
"I don't despise the idea. I need to be able to protect my children after all.""Draw your weapon and we shall begin."
Mavnon manifested herself to see Iliseth and Uztot preparing for a duel."Maybe later and if Uztot is fine with it. If he isn't, I can spar against you one-on-one."
"I heard your words Iliseth but it seems you've found a partner...perhaps a battle of three would be to your liking?"
Uztot draws a plain wooden staff, with his symbol on the end.Iliseth draws her sword and charges Uztot. (Roll for results, please.)
"I'm ready when you are, sister."
Nilva occasionally throws potatoes with random faces drawn on them at the combatants.(Good. This should help me train to dodge better as well as train my spatial awareness.)
(6) (Uh...I'm not even sure what to write for that.)(I meant Stirk should roll the results. Last time he delayed because he didn't know if we would RP the fight or if he should roll the results himself.)
"I could use some sparring practice as well, Mavnon. It doesn't need to be a mêlée-a-trois, if you accept me as your opponent for a duel. Beware, however, that dreams do not make for any sort of logical combat. You may be confused."
Aurosseu pulls out a metal-tipped wooden staff from his robes, nevermind how he managed to conceal it. He flips it between his hands until throwing it into the air, and catching a falling wooden hula hoop a moment later.
Nilva falls through the metaphorical trapdoor, screaming "Potaaaaaatoeeees!" before falling out of space on top of Aurosseu and putting a wolf shaped potato on his head. (Or her if it's a she.)On contact with the potato, Aurosseu melts into a puddle and evaporates a few seconds later.
"It will be a pleasure to fight you, brother." Conjuring two serrated blades, Mavnon took up a defensive stance. "After you.""Uh, I'd rather first see what you're going to do with those leeks. I thought we were going to spar, not make a soup. Oh well, that works just fine for me."
Aurosseu waves at Kevak(lolwut)
Kevak waves back at the fourth wall breaking deity before proceeding to type.The wolves seem to only have glomped each other, as Aurosseu does not seem to be in the dogpile (heh). Aurosseu taps Nilva on the shoulder from behind him, munching on a carrot.
Nilva rolls in the butterflies. It quickly becoming a mass of floofy wolves in a grassy field, said wolves then in unison glomp Aurosseu, with Nilva riding a slightly larger one covered in ribbons.
"Leeks? Blades all the same; the perception matters not.""What do you mean? Perception is everything; for example, I perceive this soup is going to be a very delicious one."
"Leeks? Blades all the same; the perception matters not.""What do you mean? Perception is everything; for example, I perceive this soup is going to be a very delicious one."
Aurosseu grabs a leek/sword from Mavnon, chops the vegetable up with the blade, and drops the pieces into the cauldron, stirring it.
The soup drains out of a portal that appeared at the bottom of the cauldron and drop down through another portal onto Aurosseu's hair"Now, now, was that necessary? Did you have to ruin the soup I was making with Mavnon?"
"Catdog clearly~" Nilva points directly above Aurosseu. There is a half cat, half dog thing floating above him."An interesting phenomenon. Hey, watch out."
"I'm not seeing things again am I?""I'd be more worried if you weren't. After all, you're not wearing a blindfold or anything like that right now."
Mavnon tossed the other leek to the chef, and spoke. "I think you want less a duel of blades but of words. Very well. Let us say perception is everything.""Yes, who said a spar has to be with blades? A wit can be just as sharp, or even more so. To the point, the blind men are not perceiving the whole, only parts, just as you say. The trunk might as well be a wake, the tail might as well that of a bushtail, and the foot might well be one of a defen, but the men extrapolated those assumptions from incomplete data. As they talk, they surely notice their disagreement and examine the walphant closer, eventually leading to the correct identity of the animal. However, to a being of Dreams, the truth of the matter loses meaning, unless I give it some, leading to assumptions becoming just as correct. As you saw, I cut the leek with the sword, even though they were one and the same, and yet not so. A little logical leap like that is quite simple to perform."
'Three blind men approach a walphant each coming from different sides. One grabs the furless the trunk, another the bushy tail and the last a foot.'
'The first man says "I think its a wake" and knows it to be true."
"The second man disagrees. 'No, its a bushtail'."
"The third man shakes his head and states his own hypothesis. 'You're both wrong; its clearly a defen"
"Though all men are able to perceive separate parts of the whole and believe that what they have is something else, the walphant is clearly a walphant, no matter what each man perceives."
"Though of course, a being of Dreams cares not for such things, yes?"
Gen-Gai
I wouldn't dareGen-Gai
"Do you mock me?"
"Ah, but your logic only works in the realm of Dreams, or when the gods actively change Creation itself. I agree that whatever the assumption, it is correct by virtue of being a Dream or the action of any of our peers. Knowing this, I cannot at all agree with what you say is logic. It is arbitrary; objects have their properties as demanded by the Dream or God. There is no comprehension and no prediction; it simply happens.""Yes, Dream Logic indeed only works in dreams and in divine action. No, it is indeed not actual logic. Yes, it is indeed arbitrary, incomprehensible and unpredictable. Do note, however, that everything I'm involved in is divine action."
"As such, while you are correct that to perceive is everything, that only applies in Dreams or when the Gods are actively at work. In all other cases, what a man perceives means nothing when faced with the object description of what he perceives.""Wrong. Say a man notices something in tall grass. Seeing it to be a harmless piece of rope, he walks into the grass, but is surprised when the wake bites and mortally wounds him. Had he recognized it, he could and would have known to avoid it and saved his life."
"Take your multiple bodies for example. I perceive both as yourself and without further investigation, I would conclude that both are equal parts of the whole. However, objectively, neither are you. As gods, these bodies are but a way we communicate with one another and interact with the world. What we are in truth, is but a conglomeration of Essence tied together in Crux kept sapient by our assigned desires.""We are more than that. These forms portray how we view ourselves, and important part of one's being. While yes, behind the mask is an object, its nuances give it its essentia. This shines through in our forms. If we were only our spheres, you'd expect our forms to simply be idealistic representations of them. Yet they are not (well, except Gai-gen's)."
When I start recording history, It will be so hard to make anyone believe this actualy happened. Why must you make my work difficult?Why is belief in the truth necessary?
"Ah, but your logic only works in the realm of Dreams, or when the gods actively change Creation itself. I agree that whatever the assumption, it is correct by virtue of being a Dream or the action of any of our peers. Knowing this, I cannot at all agree with what you say is logic. It is arbitrary; objects have their properties as demanded by the Dream or God. There is no comprehension and no prediction; it simply happens.""Yes, Dream Logic indeed only works in dreams and in divine action. No, it is indeed not actual logic. Yes, it is indeed arbitrary, incomprehensible and unpredictable. Do note, however, that everything I'm involved in is divine action."Quote"As such, while you are correct that to perceive is everything, that only applies in Dreams or when the Gods are actively at work. In all other cases, what a man perceives means nothing when faced with the object description of what he perceives.""Wrong. Say a man notices something in tall grass. Seeing it to be a harmless piece of rope, he walks into the grass, but is surprised when the wake bites and mortally wounds him. Had he recognized it, he could and would have known to avoid it and saved his life."Quote"Take your multiple bodies for example. I perceive both as yourself and without further investigation, I would conclude that both are equal parts of the whole. However, objectively, neither are you. As gods, these bodies are but a way we communicate with one another and interact with the world. What we are in truth, is but a conglomeration of Essence tied together in Crux kept sapient by our assigned desires.""We are more than that. These forms portray how we view ourselves, and important part of one's being. While yes, behind the mask is an object, its nuances give it its essentia. This shines through in our forms. If we were only our spheres, you'd expect our forms to simply be idealistic representations of them. Yet they are not (well, except Gai-gen's)."
"However, would our forms truly require an ideal representation? Think of a mortal sapient. Their purpose is simply to reproduce and worship; would it not be best to simply create a form that nothing more than a reproductive system and a mind fit only for worship? No, for such creatures would barely feed our forms. The same goes for ourselves. Although our anthropomorphised bodies are not the essential components, they increase their quality and as such we are better for it.""Yes, it would in fact not be best to create mortals in a form that can only reproduce and worship. However, unlike them, our forms do not add to our power or effectiveness. Gai-gen or Izgamlo's lack of hands does not limit their use of tools. The armour you wear does not protect you any more than my robe, nor does it encumber you. Would we have this discussion any differently if our forms were in fact the symbolic ideals of our spheres?"
"As for the analogy of the wake...I do not see how I am wrong. He perceived it as a rope when objectively it was a dangerous creature. This only seems to prove my point.""Simply put, had he perceived it correctly, he wouldn't have died. Objectively, a dangerous wake is a dangerous wake, yet perception governs over life and death in this case."
I teach the Maag how to use plant fiber from the trees to make ropes if they do not know how to yet. If they do know I congratulate them for their cleverness instead."Aurosseu has caused a crazy dream battle thing to happen and many of the gods appear to have gone insane and are talking to something. All in all, its just normal godly shenanigans."
After taking care of his creation, Lithus come to see what the other divinities are up to.
Oh dear, what the hell have been going on while I was out there?
Lithus leaves the assembly and return to the desert inhabited by the Maag and creates 5k flying insects, slightly smaller than a human fist that feed on heat and light instead of food and water. They spray a thick colorful ink-like substance at predators to defend themselves and have a colored back and wings, whose color will determine the color of their ink(pretty much every color is possible). The ink can easily be made into dye or paint.(Considering that normal wildlife has been created, you could probably just teach your race how to domesticate pre-existing ink-producing creatures. You could also teach them to use pre-existing minerals (soil, for example) as paint. It's probably cheaper than creating an entirely new species.)
I teach the Maag how to domesticate these insects and farm them for their ink, and teach them how to make dye and paint from it. I also encourage them to find new uses for the ink and to refine the production technique.
((Yeah, I could probably find a way to make it cheaper but I really want a new species for my plans. They probably won't be too expensive considering it's literally just a bunch of bugs. I'll add something to differentiate them further from normal bugs.))Lithus leaves the assembly and return to the desert inhabited by the Maag and creates 5k flying insects, slightly smaller than a human fist that feed on heat and light instead of food and water. They spray a thick colorful ink-like substance at predators to defend themselves and have a colored back and wings, whose color will determine the color of their ink(pretty much every color is possible). The ink can easily be made into dye or paint.(Considering that normal wildlife has been created, you could probably just teach your race how to domesticate pre-existing ink-producing creatures. You could also teach them to use pre-existing minerals (soil, for example) as paint. It's probably cheaper than creating an entirely new species.)
I teach the Maag how to domesticate these insects and farm them for their ink, and teach them how to make dye and paint from it. I also encourage them to find new uses for the ink and to refine the production technique.
While we are discusing matters of breaking physics, Should we break the barrier that seperates our universe from force of magic?Yes
"Don't pretend you didn't already make the hole in reality. My guess is that a kind of void magic is leaking in."While we are discusing matters of breaking physics, Should we break the barrier that seperates our universe from force of magic?Yes
"Anger. Shall we attack?""I will not be part of any plot to kill a god. You have the same amount of Power as he does Essence, Power, and Crux combined so I theorise you would be capable of destroying him yourself if it was necessary.".
"Anger. Shall we attack?""That you would even consider attacking one of our brothers troubles me greatly. No matter what he may have done."
((It was Lorash who created dwarves. You mixed up gods Stirk.))
Nilva forces ribbons onto three newly created Wriths. The feel them with their tentacles, examining their fibers for any extra knowlage. They they tear them apart, examining the threads."He he he. Good Writhes."
Irritation.
"Welcome to existing....I am fairly certain...you did not exist before the planet did....so I do not see how you got along fine....'back in the day'..."
"Izgamlo tried putting all his Power into breaking reality when Mavnon and I made him back down. The next Tick, it appeared Izgamlo used all his Power the Tick before and there was a hole in reality. It doesn't take a genius to see what Izgamlo has done."This is foul slander! As can be seen by the existence of reality, with no notable "destruction" of it occurring, and no "holes" existing, I tried no such thing.
I don't need to pretend, since I really didn't. The power requirements are beyond what a single god can currently accomplish alone."Don't pretend you didn't already make the hole in reality. My guess is that a kind of void magic is leaking in."While we are discusing matters of breaking physics, Should we break the barrier that seperates our universe from force of magic?Yes
"You didn't exist. Therefore you had nothing to make due with as your essence had not formed."Exactly, it was hard times. It built character.
"There was No Character To Build."You kids these days think you know everything. Didn't your parents raise you right?
We don't have parents. Also, calling us kids is silly when we're older than you"There was No Character To Build."You kids these days think you know everything. Didn't your parents raise you right?
"There are no spawn of divinity yet. Because we All Just Started Existing.""Unless you count the mortals. Which I do."
"There are no spawn of divinity yet. Because we All Just Started Existing."Ah, no parents at home, eh? Shame. Back in my day, parents took care of their kids, not just letting the void raise their kids for them!
I visit the Maag once again and offer them a new economic system similar to communism where currency is not used between members, rather property is owned by the community and used freely by it's members, making it so that everyone benefits from the work of others without having to worry about not making a living. This should allows them to focus on progress much more easily and go in directions that might not look profitable at first but end up with unexpected rewards. I also offer a ruling system that elects multiple members to a council where decisions are made(Think democracy but with multiple presidents in a council). These new systems should encourage a greater level of cooperation, loyalty and friendship between each members of the species, while still encouraging them to work as they will want to help maintain the society that supports them. I also encourage the Maag to see their species as a single group, rather than simply associating with their village."You're welcome~"
I also explain them that the technology I given them is there to kickstart their scientific progress, these inventions will allow them to progress at a faster pace in the future.
I also greatly encourage them to begin establishing trade routes with the other races, focusing mainly on selling dyed products and works of art for any resources their community need. I also recommend them to encourage local inventors, scientists and artists they might meet in their travels by any way they deem appropriate, without straining their resources. I also recommend them to bring very warm clothes, as the rest of the world is dangerously cold for them.
Lithus then returns to the assembly.
Hey hello Utther! I agree the world needs to be improved. Any suggestion on how to do so?
Oh, and while I'm not busy with my creation, thanks Nilva for accidentally helping my race progress!
"There are no bloody parents! You really need a penguin.""There are no spawn of divinity yet. Because we All Just Started Existing."Ah, no parents at home, eh? Shame. Back in my day, parents took care of their kids, not just letting the void raise their kids for them!
Hey hello Utther! I agree the world needs to be improved. Any suggestion on how to do so?Destroy it all! Go back to the good times, back before all this noisome existing nonsense came about. It's a fad I say, and it ought to be going soon!
Oh, and while I'm not busy with my creation, thanks Nilva for accidentally helping my race progress!
She then continues to teach various rituals to the Humans from her temple, which many enjoy and are grateful for, but it seems to have no effect on the nightmares. Some, in a fit of paranoia, believe that they are only making it worse and flee from anything having to do with Iliseth."Aurosseu, didn't you say you were going to deal with this? I would've alleviated the nightmares by now if you simply told me you weren't going to hold to your word."
Looking at Teburshe, Iliseth doesn't find what she is looking for. She does notice a few mortal souls floating about aimlessly in the realm of the Gods, likely lost due to having no where specified to go.Iliseth goes to these souls and gathers them together. (No energy, just telling them to gather.) She asks them what it physically feels like to be around gods. Afterwards, she converses with those who want to converse then proceeds to found both a choir and a fight club. This should alleviate the boredom a little bit, at least until an afterlife is made.
He shows off many engraved pots, bricks, and other assorted goods while explaining things like dance and meditation. If you where looking for something specific, you likely found it, as he was rather exhaustive in his explanations.I compliment the priest for his devotion and his knowledge of my ways.
Iliseth and Uztot begin to spar! Iliseth rushes forward, swinging her sword in the best attack she has ever done. This feat is undone in an instant, as Uztot knocks the weapon from her hand in a single movement, disarming her. Before she can react, he begins to counter attack! Then both Gods roll a crit failure. Like, two 100/100. They both independently trip on Iliseth's discarded blade, ending in a sad draw. They are then pelted with potatoes with musical accompaniment."That....was not a satisfactory fight. Rematch?" (Holy crap that was hilarious! The potatoes/music bit was what made it. :)) You kinda forgot about my and Mavnon's fight, though.)
The Maag are taught how to make rope, which they had not made due to not knowing they needed them. The clothier Maag uses this new information to advance his clothing industry, inventing several more clothing designs using the new fiber. Ribbons are included, but they each have an insult directed at Nilva engraved into them at creation.Open a trade route between Humans and Maag if there is none already.
Everyone seems to be able to know how to craft alchol. Most races with agriculture seem to have developed some form of brewing to preserve their drink, but they seem to know more uses for it and how to make more complex and intoxicating drinks. The source for this seems to very, depending on who you ask."It was obviously Humanity. They were the first terrestrial race, the first to learn agriculture, the first to raise crops of wheat or grapes, and the first to turn that wheat or those grapes into beer or whine."
"He just needs a penguin to cheer him up." Nilva makes no attempt to provide this "penguin." Whatever that is.Iliseth creates penguins on the planet. (This is a mundane creation, right? Cancel if it isn't.)
"A broken plate is a broken plate, regardless of how big the chip is. Even a fully broken plate continues to exist, even if it exists in pieces.""Izgamlo tried putting all his Power into breaking reality when Mavnon and I made him back down. The next Tick, it appeared Izgamlo used all his Power the Tick before and there was a hole in reality. It doesn't take a genius to see what Izgamlo has done."This is foul slander! As can be seen by the existence of reality, with no notable "destruction" of it occurring, and no "holes" existing, I tried no such thing.
Where is this "chip" in the "plate"? We all saw the nothing holes collapse."A broken plate is a broken plate, regardless of how big the chip is. Even a fully broken plate continues to exist, even if it exists in pieces.""Izgamlo tried putting all his Power into breaking reality when Mavnon and I made him back down. The next Tick, it appeared Izgamlo used all his Power the Tick before and there was a hole in reality. It doesn't take a genius to see what Izgamlo has done."This is foul slander! As can be seen by the existence of reality, with no notable "destruction" of it occurring, and no "holes" existing, I tried no such thing.
Lithus returns near the Maag and spend one unit to attempt to raise a mountain range within visible range of most villages somewhat near the exposed mantle (but not close enough to be too hot or uncomfortable for the Maag to live nearby), but quite far from any settlement to avoid causing damage to them.
Iliseth adopts a defensive stance and begins sparring with Uztot.Lithus returns near the Maag and spend one unit to attempt to raise a mountain range within visible range of most villages somewhat near the exposed mantle (but not close enough to be too hot or uncomfortable for the Maag to live nearby), but quite far from any settlement to avoid causing damage to them.Open a trade route between Humans and these Maag as well. These guys'll probably share metal-working tech and since they won't have to rely so heavily on farming for their food, they can focus more on their own arts and sciences as well.
"Fellow Gods, I ask you: which race is the most deserving of a spotlight in this universe? I have decided to bestow a blessing upon the most worthy, but am unable to decide on which is the noblest of the races."The Writhes are the greatest and most deserving of the mortals to currently exist, objectively speaking.
"I vote the penguins!"You mean the wolfguins? They aren't even sapient!
"Exactly!"The writhes took the most essence to create. Reason dictates that they have innate superiority to justify their higher essence cost.
"I think it would be a dick move to claim any sapient race is superior yet. They pretty much all just were created."
Izgamlo creates the first magic system! The portal magic! Several Ants begin researching its use.Commend the ants on taking the initiative in uncovering the secrets of magic. Help them to completely understand it, but don't do all the work for them.
"Fellow Gods, I ask you: which race is the most deserving of a spotlight in this universe? I have decided to bestow a blessing upon the most worthy, but am unsure of which is the noblest of the races."
"I think it would be a dick move to claim any sapient race is superior yet. They pretty much all just were created."[/glow][/color]
"Such reasoning would be rather poor...after all, Nilva could make a wolf race more cheaply than we...but her creations would likely be better than ours..."The Writhes, obsessed with knowledge as they are, were also made for less essence by their creator than would normally be possible for other gods.
"Fellow Gods, I ask you: which race is the most deserving of a spotlight in this universe? I have decided to bestow a blessing upon the most worthy, but am unsure of which is the noblest of the races.""Humanity, obviously. With only my teachings of basic agriculture, pottery, and writing, they have created cities, fed those cities, built wondrous temples in my name, and have worked illustrations into their writing to tell epic stories. Their bodies make them the best warriors and they already have experience as the first and only hunters in the world. They are the best traders thanks to their technology, their bodies which let them travel far, their charisma which is a boon for negotiations, and the pack animals they gained from being the foremost in animal taming and training. No other race has yet to match Humanity."
"Humanity, obviously. With only my teachings of basic agriculture, pottery, and writing, they have created cities, fed those cities, built wondrous temples in my name, and have worked illustrations into their writing to tell their stories. Their bodies make them the best warriors and they already have experience as the first and only hunters in the world. They are the best traders thanks to their technology, their bodies which let them travel far, their charisma which is a boon for negotiations, and the pack animals they gained from being the foremost in animal taming and training. No other race has yet to match Humanity."
"Though I believe they are outmatched by the magical progress of the ants, I agree that the frail little humans astound me. I will think about gifting them next.""Frail is the wrong word. Saplings are like tree saplings in strength, Maag are built more for fleeing from engagements than fighting, and Humans can move faster and have a height advantage over the Dwarves. As for the Ants, they are literally ant-sized. Even with their magic they wouldn't stand a chance against even a Human child."
((Lolwut? Portals are pretty lethal used right))"Though I believe they are outmatched by the magical progress of the ants, I agree that the frail little humans astound me. I will think about gifting them next.""Frail is the wrong word. Saplings are like tree saplings in strength, Maag are built more for fleeing from engagements than fighting, and Humans can move faster and have a height advantage over the Dwarves. As for the Ants, they are literally ant-sized. Even with their magic they wouldn't stand a chance against even a Human child."
(Seriously, Humans are the most physically-capable sapient race in this game. I wasn't even intending that!)
"Humanity, obviously. With only my teachings of basic agriculture, pottery, and writing, they have created cities, fed those cities, built wondrous temples in my name, and have worked illustrations into their writing to tell epic stories. Their bodies make them the best warriors and they already have experience as the first and only hunters in the world. They are the best traders thanks to their technology, their bodies which let them travel far, their charisma which is a boon for negotiations, and the pack animals they gained from being the foremost in animal taming and training. No other race has yet to match Humanity.""At least four of those claims...are false. And yes, you are the God of Leadership, I apologize...if I gave offense. But I doubt you would reward the leaders...with leadership, no? But on a different subject...I do not seek to be narrow-sighted...if you could inform me how I might expand my view...I would be grateful. You seem irritated by it, after all...I simply would rather not find myself dragged into debates...as to whose species is best, which would led nowhere...you know as well as I that I would favor my Saplings...Iliseth obviously prefers Humanity. Agreement would be scarce...and in the end meaningless, unless you give a scale to rate our species on...every race has it's advantages and positives...and every race is flawed in it's own way...it is the nature of things. Growth and shadow..."
"Frail is the wrong word. Saplings are like tree saplings in strength, Maag are built more for running than fighting, and they can run faster and have a height advantage over the dwarves. As for the Ants, are literally ant-sized. Even with their magic they wouldn't stand a chance against even a Human child.""Also false...Saplings possess strength greater than humans...and resiliency as well...their disadvantage lies in speed and agility...and these things simply prove that the humans are all-rounders. Saplings have a height advantage against humans...and one could say that in comparison to them...Humans are built more for running than working...if you judge each by their weakest trait...of course Humanity will seem advantageous...they are not a bad creation...but they are by no means perfect...they fight among themselves often...with groups breaking down quickly and leadership being unstable...they are violent, and xenophobic...and yet not all are as such...they are, above all else, unpredictable, from what little I have seen of them...but you remind me of something..."
((Lolwut? Portals are pretty lethal used right))(Ant-sized portals aren't very lethal. Also, cake can be lethal is used right, too.)
"Look at the ants. Small in all ways and yet able to wield magics and defeat tyrants far greater than themselves. That they are even sapient is a greatness unto itself.""That they are sapient is not an accomplishment in the slightest. In relative terms, it was their god who gave them sapience and in absolute terms, they are no more sapient than any other sapient race."
"The Maag are young and not much to look at true, but their knowledge will one day grow. In centuries to pass, they may one day surpass humanity.""That they may one day surpass Humanity is not the issue here. I believe we are discussing which race is currently the greatest. Also, they were made in the same Tick as Humanity and so aren't as young as you might think."
"And as for the Saplings...I would not measure their power in terms of civilisation, but by the number and wisdom of the females."(Wait what? Saplings have gender? Females are dominant? They have numbers? I need links.)
"Iliseth, your love for your children is without doubt, motherly. As such, I fully understand why you feel that you must go on about the superiority of humanity. However, you cannot measure greatness by size and technology alone.""I am lauding their achievements so they can get whatever reward Patronius has in mind. As they have been faithfully worshipping me since their creation, it is my duty to provide them."
"Agreement would be scarce...and in the end meaningless, unless you give a scale to rate our species on...every race has it's advantages and positives...and every race is flawed in it's own way...it is the nature of things. Growth and shadow...""A scale would be nice to have in general, not just for this contest."
"Also false...Saplings possess strength greater than humans...and resiliency as well...their disadvantage lies in speed and agility...and these things simply prove that the humans are all-rounders. Saplings have a height advantage against humans..."(Links please.)
"they fight among themselves often...with groups breaking down quickly and leadership being unstable...they are violent, and xenophobic..."(lolwut!? I've never heard of any leadership struggles or instability, especially since I'm pretty sure it's the priesthood that run the civs. The extent of their violence is their hunting and their xenophobia is non-existent. They trade with Dwarves, live alongside Hearth Keepers with no trouble whatsoever, and are about to start trading with the Maag.)
(admit that saying that they speak the language of the gods sounds awesome).(I talk to my peeps all the time and they can understand me just fine. I also taught them writing so they can read in the language of the gods too. The Maag learned writing from the Humans, not from you, assuming I'm interpreting the update correctly.)
((and also Andres, didn't someone start racism between humans and dwarfs recently? Something about merchants arguing that their pots were better than the other's degenerating into hatred. That definitively counts as xenophobia, even if they didn't start it.))(It resulted in a rivalry of culture at worst. Considering it wasn't in the update, it might not've happened at all. Also, that would've been a single village being xenophobic when there are at least four entire Human civilisations scattered across three void-separated continents. Not very representative of the entire race.)
(admit that saying that they speak the language of the gods sounds awesome).(I talk to my peeps all the time and they can understand me just fine. I also taught them writing so they can read in the language of the gods too. The Maag learned writing from the Humans, not from you, assuming I'm interpreting the update correctly.)
Appear before a human and tell him of the litany of space.I fetch a Human who's actually interested in the litany of space to take the place of whatever random Human Stellarion's picked (unless the guy is actually interested) and proceed to give him my blessing to build this school and learn from Stellarion.
Teach him the most complex concepts of mathematics and geometry his head can cope with and instruct him to build a school to study space and the relations of spaces, as well as mathematics and architecture. Grant him incredible charisma to do so.
Begin to construct starsigns. I construct the Wolf, the Panpiper, and the Drunk as intricate constellations to be gazed upon by the many inhabitants of our beloved planet.
(admit that saying that they speak the language of the gods sounds awesome).(I talk to my peeps all the time and they can understand me just fine. I also taught them writing so they can read in the language of the gods too. The Maag learned writing from the Humans, not from you, assuming I'm interpreting the update correctly.)
((I'm pretty sure that is not the case. The update said that they had started to decipher the obelisk I gave them and then learned the whole language from me. I don't remember seeing any mention of the human teaching them.))
Lithus/Luthus creates a massive obelisk with the text of the Gods scrolling up it, so they may know what is happening. The Maag, being quite intelligent and having heard of writing from the Humans, begin reading it immediately.(You didn't have time to teach them and unless they used telepathic powers to read your mind, they wouldn't have instantly been able to read it unless they already knew how to read.)
Izgamlo creates a small featureless pocket dimension inside itself where the souls of its faithful can be stored, safe from the actions of other beings, especially the other gods. Thus pre-emptively stopping Illiseth from accessing them. The souls enter a state of stasis for now to keep them from getting bored until I can make the afterlife more interesting.Looking at Teburshe, Iliseth doesn't find what she is looking for. She does notice a few mortal souls floating about aimlessly in the realm of the Gods, likely lost due to having no where specified to go.Iliseth goes to these souls and gathers them together. (No energy, just telling them to gather.) She asks them what it physically feels like to be around gods. Afterwards, she converses with those who want to converse then proceeds to found both a choir and a fight club. This should alleviate the boredom a little bit, at least until an afterlife is made.
Izgamlo creates a small featureless pocket dimension inside itself where the souls of its faithful can be stored, safe from the actions of other beings, especially the other gods. Thus pre-emptively stopping Illiseth from accessing them. The souls enter a state of stasis for now to keep them from getting bored until I can make the afterlife more interesting."I only meant to make their stay in limbo a little more interesting. Certainly nothing malicious."
((If this would overflow and reduce my crux below 4, don't carry out the action))
Leave the souls of my believers alone please.
"I only meant to make their stay in limbo a little more interesting. Certainly nothing malicious."Be that as it may, I would prefer you not interact with them at all without seeking my permission first.
"Fellow Gods, I ask you: which race is the most deserving of a spotlight in this universe? I have decided to bestow a blessing upon the most worthy, but am unsure of which is the noblest of the races."Feh, they're all ungrateful, terrible little things. They smell bad too.
Create the Durrakil, a race of sapient space-whales of 2km in size, that live of solar energy and occassionally drop gems that increase fertility on the places where they drop. They are of black colouration and hold six side fins.(How many are you gonna make?)
Create the Divine library containing all non-secret history."As the discovery of technologies is a part of history, is it possible for people to read on technologies discovered by other civilisations?"
I find a willing monk and after informing the monastery of my actions, I possess the monk, see what I can do inside his body, and leave. (No energy. I want to know if it's possible to possess without using energy.) If he dies, I'll try to put the soul back into the body without energy. If it doesn't work, I'll push it back in using 1 Power. Just in case it wasn't clear, the subject should know of all the risks beforehand.((And so, the first zombie came into being.))
(First resurrection, actually.)I find a willing monk and after informing the monastery of my actions, I possess the monk, see what I can do inside his body, and leave. (No energy. I want to know if it's possible to possess without using energy.) If he dies, I'll try to put the soul back into the body without energy. If it doesn't work, I'll push it back in using 1 Power. Just in case it wasn't clear, the subject should know of all the risks beforehand.((And so, the first zombie came into being.))
"Well, I am sure we should add a part to the library to add descriptive pieces on inventions, so even if much is lost due to conflict, some cultural goods can still be replicated by the survivors who find the library."
"Gaius....Thyerus....Sharbelle...""I like the first two but not the last."
"Well, I am sure we should add a part to the library to add descriptive pieces on inventions, so even if much is lost due to conflict, some cultural goods can still be replicated by the survivors who find the library."
If we add such a part to the library, it would need to be restricted to only show the inventions of the visitor's nation. Otherwise we run into the trouble of seeing this library used to steal technology, which in return might push some of us to destroy it. I do not wish to see it's destruction, as such a tool can be quite useful for many reasons.
And also, I support your naming proposition for the planets.
"We should name the three planets. Any suggestions?""Bal, Therus, and Dova for the planet fragments. Kyolin for the sun."
"The sun needs no name...there is only one, and thus no need to differentiate it from others of it's ilk...of the world-shards there are three, and to distinguish between them more easily in communication, names are necessary...as we all have different ideas, but some are similar and some are supported...what about Gaius, Thyerus, and Bal...?""I'll second this."
Soul sense to see if Great Trees are sapient or sentient.
"Any reason why?"Soul sense to see if Great Trees are sapient or sentient.
"I would rather you didn't, please..."
"Any reason why?""...it is invasive, and I can tell you myself that they do not fit either category perfectly...they are self-aware, but they also have a spark of the divine within them...and would not usually be considered sapient on most mortal timescales...I would rather not risk their health by such an intrusion...there are so few, after all, and I do not entirely know how your vision might affect them..."
"That's right! They do have a spark of the divine within them! I'm sorry, but there's no way I'm not going to examine them now that I know they could be critical to my research of godly souls. As for how it would affect them, it wouldn't. I'm only observing the energy released by their soul. It would affect them as much as looking at a star would affect the star.""Any reason why?""...it is invasive, and I can tell you myself that they do not fit either category perfectly...they are self-aware, but they also have a spark of the divine within them...and would not usually be considered sapient on most mortal timescales...I would rather not risk their health by such an intrusion...there are so few, after all, and I do not entirely know how your vision might affect them..."
Create Gigantollamas, giant llamas of sizes up to 40 meters.
Walker: My Lord, we are truly trying our best...but there is just too many of them! We need assistance!I speak to this Walker and ask it what it means by "them".
Aurosseu listens to prayers:
Human: PLEASE OH AUROSSEU PLEASE MAKE THESE NIGHTMARES STOP!
Dwarf: Could you please give my wife's teeth back? She lost them somewhere in her dreams!
Maag: Could you make it so I can sleep and dream all day? It isn't like I have to move to get food!
Walker: My Lord, we are truly trying our best...but there is just too many of them! We need assistance!
Appear before the most powerful human leader and promise him incredible power in exchange for his devotion and loyalty. If he accepts, watch over him and heed his prayers (spend up to 1E and 2P to grant these prayers). If he refuses, burn him to ash and offer the nearest human the same deal (if accepted, throne him and do the same thing)."HOW DARE YOU!? CEASE THIS ACTION OR I WILL FLAY YOUR SOUL ALIVE!!"
(( Since when could you read minds, Andres? I understand if you get mad after it's done, but I prefer to ask forgiveness rather than permission. It's not like I'm announcing it to everyone. ))(In Ye Gods, publicly submitted actions could be read by gods before they were implemented in the Tick. I'm assuming it's the same here.)
"Oh, Iliseth. Your creations are not your personal playthings. Attempting to control their fates is a silly and ultimately futile act.""You would sway people away from worshipping me, disintegrate them if they remain faithful to me, you would do this to who could possibly be my priests, and you expect me to just accept it!?"
"why do you perform everything in secret, Aurroseu...?...what do you have to hide from us...?"Nothing from you. I am trying to end these nightmares, believe me, but I cannot do it publicly, lest the culprit I suspect is one of us could counter my actions. Unrelated to that, the fact that I have a nemesis requires me to uphold secrecy more than those who don't have one."
Aurosseu checks if 'Sevron's history slab has been defaced in any way. If not, he seeks the cause of the nightmares and reveals it openly if he finds it.The actions carried out in secret are in code. The nightmares were not created publicly. Ergo, they are in code.
I speak to this Walker and ask it what it means by "them".It probably means the nightmares.
"Meh, not really. Listen, I'll tell you what. If it's one of your followers, I won't disintegrate him. Probably.""Cancel the action."
"Do not harm the mortals for loyalty to their creator, their divine mother."(It still makes sense in context.)
(I know I was ninja'd, but it's the thought that counts.)
"Mortals can give service to more than one God, Iliseth...and not all humans are your devout...""If the most powerful Human leader were devout to me - or at least more devout to me than Patronius - then he would be disintegrated."
"though your indignation at the merest possibility that they could be priests rather than 'mere' worshippers...amuses me greatly...""My priests are more devout to me than anyone else and have devoted their entire lives to worship me and do my will. What would it say of me if loyalty and devotion meant nothing to me?"
The actions carried out in secret are in code. The nightmares were not created publicly. Ergo, they are in code."The fact that the nightmares exist publicly should make finding their part of the text simple enough. I'm rather certain it will stop being a secret soon, and the slab will help me prove that."
"Indeed. Be aware that Walkers have a rather different kind of sapience than most. You might not get a very intellectual conversation with them."I speak to this Walker and ask it what it means by "them".It probably means the nightmares.
speaking of which, Izgamlo...I have a proposal for you...Yes? I am listening
"Indeed. Be aware that Walkers have a rather different kind of sapience than most. You might not get a very intellectual conversation with them.""Don't mistake this for sarcasm but it seemed to send a very intellectual prayer to you. Maybe they're more naturally sapient than you think?"
"Only the truth...that you value them for the power and prestige they provide you...both real and imagined...rather than out of a sense of goodwill or love for your creations...""Be glad that I take slander lightly."
I... Distrust those, who would tamper with someone else's hobby, and as... serious as some take it... their life's work... From what I cant tell, you seem to be acting like a chunk of meat with a mouth.(Who is this referring to? What are you talking about?)
-snip-Sorry, Was referring to DontBanTheMan
Yes? I am listening...I wish to create some crystals...or perhaps a type of plant...that takes energy from heat and light...and turns it into stored magical potential....Mana Crystals, perhaps...maybe a plant that produces such crystals as fruit...?...I thought you might be interested...and your aid would certainly prove immeasurable...."
This proposal has my approval. However, my essence is currently tied up in making my ants better comprehend magic. Perhaps we could co-operate on creating such crystals at a later date?Yes? I am listening...I wish to create some crystals...or perhaps a type of plant...that takes energy from heat and light...and turns it into stored magical potential....Mana Crystals, perhaps...maybe a plant that produces such crystals as fruit...?...I thought you might be interested...and your aid would certainly prove immeasurable...."
I would also like to make a proposition to all of you, my children: All work together to paint your village's wall with a mosaic that will tell of your history. I believe such a project will favor creativity and will be a gift to the future generations."Would you mind, brother Lithus, if I were to bless the mosaic?"
I have no problem with the idea. What kind of blessing are we talking about?I would also like to make a proposition to all of you, my children: All work together to paint your village's wall with a mosaic that will tell of your history. I believe such a project will favor creativity and will be a gift to the future generations."Would you mind, brother Lithus, if I were to bless the mosaic?"
...I wish to create some crystals...or perhaps a type of plant...that takes energy from heat and light...and turns it into stored magical potential....Mana Crystals, perhaps...maybe a plant that produces such crystals as fruit...?...I thought you might be interested...and your aid would certainly prove immeasurable....""This proposal interests me. How much would such plants cost? I might be persuaded to help."
"oh, and Aurroseu...I have power in Shadows, and the realms of it...if I may be lf assistance in your combat, simply inform me...as I would be happy to help...I would rather nip this problem in the bud, if I may...at least, should it continue to be a problem....I would ask in return only an understanding of what you have made thus far...in order to combat it...lest my efforts be redundant or ill-fit to work alongside your own...""Expect me to contact you soon."
"Don't mistake this for sarcasm but it seemed to send a very intellectual prayer to you. Maybe they're more naturally sapient than you think?""That would be interesting, considering how I specified them when creating them. I suspect the prayer's clarity comes from the nature of us understanding the mortals' languages to their nuances, even those which were lost as the Walker put it to words."
"I was thinking it could exude a general aura of goodwill around it. Or perhaps certain, other, feelings."
(Do we have night? I'm not sure if we do. We probably at least have a period of daylight when mortals are inactive.)(Considering the planet exploded it's not unlikely that some of the pieces would've been made to rotate. Just orbiting the sun would start making them rotate assuming my science is correct.)
Skolld takes a group of wolves and binds each one to a Maag, making the 2 beings inhabit one body, and they will transform depending on who's in charge.Observe with soul sense.
If they are to gain harmony and master this transformation, they could find great benefit in the demi-wolf demi-Maag form.
It should look like 2 souls chained together.Skolld takes a group of wolves and binds each one to a Maag, making the 2 beings inhabit one body, and they will transform depending on who's in charge.Observe with soul sense.
If they are to gain harmony and master this transformation, they could find great benefit in the demi-wolf demi-Maag form.
"This adds another interesting question to the list of interesting questions. What does the chain look like? How do the souls appear to change as they take charge? What are does a body with two souls - of different species, no less - look like? How does a dominant soul change the physical structure of the body? Are there non-physical phenomena that occur when harmony is reached? All very interesting questions to me."It should look like 2 souls chained together.Skolld takes a group of wolves and binds each one to a Maag, making the 2 beings inhabit one body, and they will transform depending on who's in charge.Observe with soul sense.
If they are to gain harmony and master this transformation, they could find great benefit in the demi-wolf demi-Maag form.
"One goes in, and the other is pushed out, of course. The chain is a chain, it's not one you can break, only I can do so."This adds another interesting question to the list of interesting questions. What does the chain look like? How do the souls appear to change as they take charge? What are does a body with two souls - of different species, no less - look like? How does a dominant soul change the physical structure of the body? Are there non-physical phenomena that occur when harmony is reached? All very interesting questions to me."It should look like 2 souls chained together.Skolld takes a group of wolves and binds each one to a Maag, making the 2 beings inhabit one body, and they will transform depending on who's in charge.Observe with soul sense.
If they are to gain harmony and master this transformation, they could find great benefit in the demi-wolf demi-Maag form.
"the rest is due to residual divine power from their creation."Soul sense to look for any residual divine energy in an area on the planet that's devoid of life. If there is any residual divine energy, there would be some on the planet left by the Creation Era.
"This proposal interests me. How much would such plants cost? I might be persuaded to help.""I am...unsure as of yet...why would you wish to help...?...so that the Humans can grow them...?...I desire them in part to aid the Saplings in having a good with which to trade...so that their economy and the economy of the world might grow...and that they might interact with the other races...if you can accept that as a condition then I would welcome your help..."
((And so the prayer requests have been unleashed))
Create and teach Dwarves new kind of magic - Ritual magic.Spoiler: Ritual magic (click to show/hide)
Teach the dwarves first ritual spell - Dream guardian.Spoiler: Dream guardian (click to show/hide)
(If it is possible to empower magic by adding more essence than it is needed to create it, use 7E to create Ritual magic)
Spend 5P same as I did previously in PM.
While I do desire for dwarves to progres Lithus, I am rather wary of your influence. I would not have others taking my work as their own.
An enormous blue dragon emerges from the void. As he approaches, his scales slowly change to a deep emerald, then turn to ruby in a dazzling flash.
Hello other gods. I am Char.*looks around awkwardly at what the other gods have created, his reptilian eyes resting slightly longer on the Maag* This is err... interesting. Hmm... Who has created these magnificent little creatures that feed on light and heat?
Teach the dwarves first ritual spell - Dream guardian."Why, isn't that a good idea. I already have created something almost uncannily similar to this, but why say no to an extra remedy against the nightmares? I would ask you to share this ritual with the other races as well, though."Spoiler: Dream guardian (click to show/hide)
Maag werewolves? Would they keep control over themsevles? The idea is certainly promising, but I will have to stop it if it makes them kill each other."I wont let you do that. I spend power on my creations, so I must make it succeed. No matter what I have to do in order to attain my success."
Lauxal gives a large audible sigh at the sight of Dream Guardians being built."Your races? I wasn't aware you made any races."
"Ill stop with the nightmares and tell my followers to stop bothering your followers, if you stop the creation of these Dream Guards and don't hurt my races."
Lauxal gives a large audible sigh at the sight of Dream Guardians being built."Your races? I wasn't aware you made any races."
"Ill stop with the nightmares and tell my followers to stop bothering your followers, if you stop the creation of these Dream Guards and don't hurt my races."
An enormous blue dragon emerges from the void. As he approaches, his scales slowly change to a deep emerald, then turn to ruby in a dazzling flash."Welcome, Char. I am Iliseth, Goddess of Souls and Blood."
Hello other gods. I am Char.*looks around awkwardly at what the other gods have created, his reptilian eyes resting slightly longer on the Maag* This is err... interesting. Hmm... Who has created these magnificent little creatures that feed on light and heat?
"Irrelevant.""What is?"
So must I assume that this will put them in a blood frenzy? I said I will not stop it if it does not make them dangerous to themselves and others.Maag werewolves? Would they keep control over themsevles? The idea is certainly promising, but I will have to stop it if it makes them kill each other."I wont let you do that. I spend power on my creations, so I must make it succeed. No matter what I have to do in order to attain my success."
"If it costs a few lives, so be it. I will not let you stop this, even if they kill some of your dear three eyed furry things."So must I assume that this will put them in a blood frenzy? I said I will not stop it if it does not make them dangerous to themselves and others.Maag werewolves? Would they keep control over themsevles? The idea is certainly promising, but I will have to stop it if it makes them kill each other."I wont let you do that. I spend power on my creations, so I must make it succeed. No matter what I have to do in order to attain my success."
You are again avoiding my question, why is that so? I have noticed that you have taken a very defensive and hostile stance towards me, why? I am not trying to attack you, only trying to understand what you want to do to my creation. Do I not have the right to know?"If it costs a few lives, so be it. I will not let you stop this, even if they kill some of your dear three eyed furry things."So must I assume that this will put them in a blood frenzy? I said I will not stop it if it does not make them dangerous to themselves and others.Maag werewolves? Would they keep control over themsevles? The idea is certainly promising, but I will have to stop it if it makes them kill each other."I wont let you do that. I spend power on my creations, so I must make it succeed. No matter what I have to do in order to attain my success."
(Will I get better research results if I submit less actions per Tick? I feel like I'm being subtly punished because an Aura of Creepiness? Seriously? That research could've been very important if it came to fusion of greater beings like sapients, angels, or even gods. Just tell me outright if I'm doing something wrong. Loved the penguin stuff, though.)
I listen to the prayers of my followers more closely from now on.((Would it be too much to ask for a PM containing the most common/relevant/interesting prayers at each tick? If it is, then I'll just ask it for this tick instead.))
(Do we have night? I'm not sure if we do. We probably at least have a period of daylight when mortals are inactive.)
Aurosseu assists Lorash and grants his sphere bonus to the project, though he won't contribute resources.
Nilva contributes her sphere bonus to the varied wolf things the chaingod is making.
"Ill stop with the nightmares and tell my followers to stop bothering your followers, if you stop the creation of these Dream Guards and don't hurt my races."
If applicable, use my Pacts sphere to help with the creation of ritual magic.
((Ciphertext: The key/decoder you gave me doesn't seem to work :-\. Aside from that, this generally works worse form the then PMs. I mostly have been reading everything on the phone while a passenger in the truck, which I can't do with cypertext and it takes even more time to do then just PMs.))((I had started to suspect that much, especially after I realised misused the cipher by having each line be separate without mentioning it.))
"I suppose, with recent happenings, I can now drop some secrecy."Spoiler: Not GM only anymore (click to show/hide)
"Ill stop with the nightmares and tell my followers to stop bothering your followers, if you stop the creation of these Dream Guards and don't hurt my races.""That sounds like a confession. I guess the most obvious suspect was the culprit for once. How often does that happen? Still, I wouldn't trust you to just stop with the nightmares as you have the Desire, as have we all. Please, give me something beyond words and I'll consider the truce."
((What are you talking about? Most of your experiments succeeded. That one didn't because you are doing something over the Perverted limit :-\. To be more technical, when a mortal gets soul-scanned, they get that feeling that someone is watching them. Which completely ruins 'the mood' preventing the action from happening.))(Ok, but if I ever get to much just tell me. At one point, I was doing too much stuff in Ye Gods and KJP told me to slow down. I wouldn't be upset if you told me to slow down.)
a puppet*.(Frikkin smeerps...)
Human wife: My husband was bitten by an animal a month ago, and now he is acting strange. Could you please check up on him Uztot, if it isn't too much trouble?Ask them both what happened and how the husband feels "strange". Soul sense and blood sense on the husband and the wife. If it's just a normal illness, tell them to see a healer. If I can't sense any kind of illness or if I sense something that doesn't match up with any illnesses, do the following:
Iliseth continues ogling creations with soul sense. The light from all the essence being used blocks off any useful soul-wise, as she is unable to see any souls combining. After the light fades, they seem to appear to be two souls chained together.Soul sense again now that Essence isn't being used any more.
((...Giving Iliseth free soul sense was a stupid move on my part, wasn't it?))(It's literally the only thing my primary sphere has given me a discount on, as far as I know.)
Young Sapling: What happens to souls when they die?"You didn't think to ask me this? It's common sense to ask the goddess of Souls about souls, young Sapling. As for what happens, no soul has yet been observed to die and so the question cannot yet be answered. If it has happened, you could just check the Divine Library for the answers."
Human man: MAKE MY NIGHTMARES STOOOOP! PLEEEAAAASE LAUXAL MAKE IT STOOOOOP!"That is it, Aurosseu! You have failed for the last time! 3 Ticks I've waited for you to solve the issue of the nightmares and 3 Ticks you have failed to do so! Now mortals are praying to the god who's caused the nightmares in the first place for mercy! You are a failure as a god!"
Power to allow a Great Seed to be 'born' and planted in the desertSoul sense before anything else is created.
Lorash uses his remaining Power to create beings with the appearance of Dwarves. Something feels...off about them, and they seem to have no pupils. They go through the lands, helping to spread ritual magic at a faster rate. (Lorash-allP)
Maag Trader: I have fallen in love with a beautiful Naiad, and she loves me in turn...but alas, she is bound to a fresh water spring at the top of a snow-capped mountain! Uztot, why have you forsaken me!?"How tragic. I'll create a nice pond for her somewhere close by, more temperate. Uztot uses power to create a pond nearby, and transports the Naiad to it.
Ant Soldier: I tire of slaying my brothers and sisters in this senseless war! Please, Uztot, stop the bloodshed!
"That is it, Aurosseu! You have failed for the last time! 3 Ticks I've waited for you to solve the issue of the nightmares and 3 Ticks you have failed to do so! Now mortals are praying to the god who's caused the nightmares in the first place for mercy! You are a failure as a god!""3 Ticks is no time at all. If you haven't noticed, I've been playing the long game in focusing on growth and allies instead of instant solutions. The darkest hour is right before sunrise, don't you know?"
"3 Ticks is no time at all. If you haven't noticed, I've been playing the long game in focusing on growth and allies instead of instant solutions.""Three Ticks is certainly a lot of time for the mortals who've suffered through this. Playing the long game wouldn't have been bad if you'd just asked us for help in dealing with the short-term. Each Tick it always seemed you were going to handle the problem then and there and for that reason we - or at least I - refrained from assisting. You were the god of Dreams, after all, and it was your responsibility."
"Illyria dear, I believe it is time we continued your education.""Illyria has abandoned you and become a prophet of Izgamlo. She is an untrustworthy retch and one not worthy of our gifts."
6P: Cause it to rain on every planet for as long as possible.(inb4 Maag genocide)
"You speak as if you intend to meddle with my experiment, make all my effort for naught. I don't know what will happen, so your statement of stopping it, fills me with discomfort.You are again avoiding my question, why is that so? I have noticed that you have taken a very defensive and hostile stance towards me, why? I am not trying to attack you, only trying to understand what you want to do to my creation. Do I not have the right to know?"If it costs a few lives, so be it. I will not let you stop this, even if they kill some of your dear three eyed furry things."So must I assume that this will put them in a blood frenzy? I said I will not stop it if it does not make them dangerous to themselves and others.Maag werewolves? Would they keep control over themsevles? The idea is certainly promising, but I will have to stop it if it makes them kill each other."I wont let you do that. I spend power on my creations, so I must make it succeed. No matter what I have to do in order to attain my success."
((and they don't have any fur btw.))
(The point is no less valid for that, considering he actually has done his job of annoying Lauxal enough to make her offer a ceasefire. And the whole bit about you accusing him of being a failure as a god for not being able to completely overcome a different god in three ticks.)"3 Ticks is no time at all. If you haven't noticed, I've been playing the long game in focusing on growth and allies instead of instant solutions.""Three Ticks is certainly a lot of time for the mortals who've suffered through this. Playing the long game wouldn't have been bad if you'd just asked us for help in dealing with the short-term. Each Tick it always seemed you were going to handle the problem then and there and for that reason we - or at least I - refrained from assisting. You were the god of Dreams, after all, and it was your responsibility."
(Before you counter saying that it's my job to set up an afterlife/reincarnation, know that I'm still waiting on the price checks from the GM for that.)
(I agree with these points, though Iliseth wouldn't. I just didn't want him using an argument that he'd win only for OOC reasons.)(The point is no less valid for that, considering he actually has done his job of annoying Lauxal enough to make her offer a ceasefire. And the whole bit about you accusing him of being a failure as a god for not being able to completely overcome a different god in three ticks.)"3 Ticks is no time at all. If you haven't noticed, I've been playing the long game in focusing on growth and allies instead of instant solutions.""Three Ticks is certainly a lot of time for the mortals who've suffered through this. Playing the long game wouldn't have been bad if you'd just asked us for help in dealing with the short-term. Each Tick it always seemed you were going to handle the problem then and there and for that reason we - or at least I - refrained from assisting. You were the god of Dreams, after all, and it was your responsibility."
(Before you counter saying that it's my job to set up an afterlife/reincarnation, know that I'm still waiting on the price checks from the GM for that.)
((The point is no less valid for that, considering he actually has done his job of annoying Lauxal enough to make her offer a ceasefire. And the whole bit about you accusing him of being a failure as a god for not being able to completely overcome a different god in three ticks.)"3 Ticks is no time at all. If you haven't noticed, I've been playing the long game in focusing on growth and allies instead of instant solutions.""Three Ticks is certainly a lot of time for the mortals who've suffered through this. Playing the long game wouldn't have been bad if you'd just asked us for help in dealing with the short-term. Each Tick it always seemed you were going to handle the problem then and there and for that reason we - or at least I - refrained from assisting. You were the god of Dreams, after all, and it was your responsibility."
(Before you counter saying that it's my job to set up an afterlife/reincarnation, know that I'm still waiting on the price checks from the GM for that.)
Utther shakes his mighty cane and kills all the leaders of the sentient races, the chiefs, the mayors, the elders, all of them, and the most powerful of the non-sentient ones. He uses as much Power as necessary to accomplish this."You do understand that us other gods are not going to just let you commit mass murder?"
In the ensuing turmoil, Utther appears to the various peoples and gripes to them about how terrible the world is, and how people should listen to him more, before going back to his house and grumbling on the porch
(Wah? When did Lauxal offer a ceasefire?)
Lauxal gives a large audible sigh at the sight of Dream Guardians being built.
"Ill stop with the nightmares and tell my followers to stop bothering your followers, if you stop the creation of these Dream Guards and don't hurt my races."
Utther grumbles to himself. "These people are still awful, they can't take care of themselves at all! Always relying on the gods to solve their problems. Well, I can change that! A little bit of upheaval will do them some good!"Alicia's robe change colour for the first time, appearing red to everyone.
Utther shakes his mighty cane and kills all the leaders of the sentient races, the chiefs, the mayors, the elders, all of them, and the most powerful of the non-sentient ones. He uses as much Power as necessary to accomplish this.
In the ensuing turmoil, Utther appears to the various peoples and gripes to them about how terrible the world is, and how people should listen to him more, before going back to his house and grumbling on the porch
Utther grumbles to himself. "These people are still awful, they can't take care of themselves at all! Always relying on the gods to solve their problems. Well, I can change that! A little bit of upheaval will do them some good!"
Utther shakes his mighty cane and kills all the leaders of the sentient races, the chiefs, the mayors, the elders, all of them, and the most powerful of the non-sentient ones. He uses as much Power as necessary to accomplish this.
In the ensuing turmoil, Utther appears to the various peoples and gripes to them about how terrible the world is, and how people should listen to him more, before going back to his house and grumbling on the porch
Bah, you damn kids need to listen to your elder!(Make sure who dies?)
Utther uses up to 4 Power and 1 Crux to make sure they die.
Bah, you damn kids need to listen to your elder!You are younger than us. Your obedience in this matter is required.
Utther uses up to 6 Power to make sure everyone he wants dead, is dead.
((Most powerful of the non-sapient ones? Doesn't that include the elemental wolves? They're the most powerful of the wolves after all.))((it's not a whole race kinda thing, only the top tier of each. Like the one most powerful of the elemental wolves would die, but the rest are fine. The sapient races lose mayors, kings, etc. But only the one who had the most power over each group.))
((That's still tampering with Skolld's experiments.))((Most powerful of the non-sapient ones? Doesn't that include the elemental wolves? They're the most powerful of the wolves after all.))((it's not a whole race kinda thing, only the top tier of each. Like the one most powerful of the elemental wolves would die, but the rest are fine. The sapient races lose mayors, kings, etc. But only the one who had the most power over each group.))
((ugh, fine. if it's just going to be a waste of power all around, i'll retract it))((Nah, just keep it, it's a good bit of characterization.))
"You speak as if you intend to meddle with my experiment, make all my effort for naught. I don't know what will happen, so your statement of stopping it, fills me with discomfort.You are again avoiding my question, why is that so? I have noticed that you have taken a very defensive and hostile stance towards me, why? I am not trying to attack you, only trying to understand what you want to do to my creation. Do I not have the right to know?"If it costs a few lives, so be it. I will not let you stop this, even if they kill some of your dear three eyed furry things."So must I assume that this will put them in a blood frenzy? I said I will not stop it if it does not make them dangerous to themselves and others.Maag werewolves? Would they keep control over themsevles? The idea is certainly promising, but I will have to stop it if it makes them kill each other."I wont let you do that. I spend power on my creations, so I must make it succeed. No matter what I have to do in order to attain my success."
((and they don't have any fur btw.))
I am Skolld, and I will succeed."
Moi'aaty prayers:
Sad Ant: All my friends where killed when the God smote the mind-controlled army. Please bring them back!
Young Sapling: What happens to souls when they die?
Old Space Whale: Praise life!
((ugh, fine. if it's just going to be a waste of power all around, i'll retract it))((I would have spent both Power and Crux if needed to prevent you from killing any of the leaders. If people want to commit mass murder, they will have to go through me first.))
"You haven't noticed the souls ambling around the void?"
"Well, Iliseth, you call me out on not asking for help, but will you actually give any?""I most certainly would've but I see you and the other gods have made him back down."
((you seem to have sapient, sentient and non-sentient confused. Sapient is smart, like a human. Sentient is able to react to its environment, like an animal. Non-sentient is unable to think and react, but still alive, like a plant.))(Not quite. Non-sentient souls exist but plants don't have souls. Any animal that has no free will is non-sentient.)
To Iliseth: This is more your domain than mine, but what does happen to a soul when it's owner dies? One of my followers asked me, and I don't know what the answer is."The Sapling's question was not what happens to a soul when its owner dies but what happens when the soul itself dies. I have not seen any souls be destroyed as-of-yet so I can't give any definite answers, though I hypothesise three things: the first is that the soul merely ceases to exist, the second is that some heat energy is released and the soul as an entity ceases to exist, and the third is that soul-stuff is released and settles in the environment."
"You haven't noticed the souls ambling around the void?"
I haven't, actually.
Go look at the souls ambling around the void.
Looking at Teburshe, Iliseth doesn't find what she is looking for. She does notice a few mortal souls floating about aimlessly in the realm of the Gods, likely lost due to having no where specified to go.(I probably would've fixed this by now but I'm waiting for some price checks.)
Skolld hears the conversation about souls."A soul's bind to the body.... As for your offer, it's probably unnecessary. Souls would be able to find the afterlife easily enough."
"If you make a place to keep the souls, I can make a bind between the souls of mortals and that place.
Once the souls' bind to the body dissipates, they get pulled into the realm of souls."
Uztot tilts his head at Iliseth."I could be, but there's no real way to know."
"Or you could simply be misinterpreting the words of a mortal child."
Iliseth, would you be willing to contribute your sphere of souls to help me create an afterlife for my followers if it costs you nothing? I do not plan to do this until a while, but it would be good to know whenever I will be able to rely on you when I will be ready."I will, for I consider you an ally. I'll require your assistance soon, however, and I hope you'll be willing to help."
Iliseth, would you be willing to contribute your sphere of souls to help me create an afterlife for my followers if it costs you nothing? I do not plan to do this until a while, but it would be good to know whenever I will be able to rely on you when I will be ready."I will, for I consider you an ally. I'll require your assistance soon, however, and I hope you'll be willing to help."
Nilva continues her campaign of messing with mortals. Clothier this time gets introduced to nailpolish. Or technically clawpolish? Do Maags have claws or nails?((Neither of them. Instead, the end of their finger bones are sharp, allowing them to use them kinda like claws but a bit weaker due to having skin over it. And yes, I did just made that up now.))
Uztot blows a smoke ring in the vague direction of Iliseth."You and Lithus/Luthus have both received information regarding the project."
"Are you going to tell us what this mysterious project is sister?"
(propogatesif possible. I know that was a thing in Ye Gods, but I'm not sure about this)(Not a thing in this game.)
Uses 1E to make and send an unaging prophet to the Droogans to teach them to worship me(Created beings start out with max worship quality.)
Good, now that that's out of the way, Lithus, I believe they called you? I'd like to formally introduce myself, Char, lord of fire and minds. I'd like to say that I quite adore the little Maag creatures you have made and considering that light and heat sustain them and that fire produces light and heat, I think we can make out a business deal. If I provide fire and fiery products to help the Maag, will you encourage the Maag to worship me? *Offers his hand for a handshake*
I understand. If you need products to assist your Maag in travel to cold or dark areas, I think I could manufacture a potion that could give them sustenance. If you need this in the future, simply ask and we can make a deal. I just thought I'd let you know in case you were interested.Good, now that that's out of the way, Lithus, I believe they called you? I'd like to formally introduce myself, Char, lord of fire and minds. I'd like to say that I quite adore the little Maag creatures you have made and considering that light and heat sustain them and that fire produces light and heat, I think we can make out a business deal. If I provide fire and fiery products to help the Maag, will you encourage the Maag to worship me? *Offers his hand for a handshake*
Hmm...
-Your offer is interesting.
-I can definitively see some benefit from this.
-I fear that the quality of my worship might become diluted between multiple gods.
-Heat and light sources are not a priority right now.
-My resources are being strained by multiple projects.
I am happy to see you wish to collaborate, but I will have to refuse this deal. If you come up with other propositions, please do tell me. I would be interested in some form of cooperation in the future.
they seem to appear to be two souls chained together.
Soul sense before anything else is created.
((The fertility boost was supposed to be power instead of essence))
I don't think I need to define pyromancy, but tell me if I must).
Hundreds-if not thousands- of Leaders, from every race, meet their end! The more powerful the leader, the more likely they are to be targeted. The Councilmen of the Maag, the Tribal Leaders of the Humans, even the Alphas of the Ants all simply parish! Many mighty animals seem to fall as well, some of the largest megafauna dropping in the rain. Many of the races are put into turmoil, as they try to deal with the rain crises at the same time as this. Who could have done such a thing?
((Secret action most probably. Stirk, could I get a update on what ant society is currently like now all the Alphas were killed? Is there still fighting?))Hundreds-if not thousands- of Leaders, from every race, meet their end! The more powerful the leader, the more likely they are to be targeted. The Councilmen of the Maag, the Tribal Leaders of the Humans, even the Alphas of the Ants all simply parish! Many mighty animals seem to fall as well, some of the largest megafauna dropping in the rain. Many of the races are put into turmoil, as they try to deal with the rain crises at the same time as this. Who could have done such a thing?
((Didn't jbg cancel his action? And even if he didn't, there was a bunch of people spending energy to stop him.))
Hundreds-if not thousands- of Leaders, from every race, meet their end! The more powerful the leader, the more likely they are to be targeted. The Councilmen of the Maag, the Tribal Leaders of the Humans, even the Alphas of the Ants all simply parish! Many mighty animals seem to fall as well, some of the largest megafauna dropping in the rain. Many of the races are put into turmoil, as they try to deal with the rain crises at the same time as this. Who could have done such a thing?
((Didn't jbg cancel his action? And even if he didn't, there was a bunch of people spending energy to stop him.))
It needs to be both defined and created to be useful. Currently, it doesn't exist.I hereby Create pyromancy, the ability to create and manipulate (including putting it out) fire and teach it to the Droogans. Use my remaining E and then crux to do this.
"I would be surprised if you did not. But think of it this way: the mortals will now have to learn or perish. They will advance by force by their own wills, not by what we have given to them..."
Mavnon looked out towards Iliseth, with the souls arund her.
"And truly, why does it matter if a mortal dies? Their soul lives on; only their body is lost. Nothing more."
"I would be surprised if you did not. But think of it this way: the mortals will now have to learn or perish. They will advance by force by their own wills, not by what we have given to them..."
Mavnon looked out towards Iliseth, with the souls arund her.
"And truly, why does it matter if a mortal dies? Their soul lives on; only their body is lost. Nothing more."
"It is quite simple, my good fellow...we have mortals for a reason...should they die before their allotted time, whatever their god apparently feels it may be...they cannot continue to grow in character...or faith...or as a sapient...it is cutting down the tree before it is ready...harvesting the crop before it has ripened...at least, I believe that's the logic behind it...."Spoiler: Prayer Responses (click to show/hide)
Create Incorporeal children. Incorporeal children are non-sapient, ghost-like creatures. They appear the same as human children. Their only purpose is to make a lot of noise. They can't be destroyed.HAH! That's nothing. I hear you kids argue and shout all the time! This is child's play. Which is appropriate, considering it's coming from one so young as you.
Create 50 Incorporeal children on Utther's lawn.
"Don't think this will be your only punishment, old man. You'll beg me to stop.
"Utther might have a point on a few things. I grow tired of this bickering, especially as there are so few who Dream at this stage. I'm soon going to go sleep for a few thousand years. In the meantime, consider the few offers I've given some of you, and treat my creations gently. If you harm them, expect serious retribution. Does anyone have anything to say to me before I go?""Nothing other than to wish you pleasant dreams brother."
"Not yet. Which is why they must be taught.""Indeed. We merely disagree as to the lessons. But consider this, is their will to live and advance not stronger when as one?"
"Utther might have a point on a few things. I grow tired of this bickering, especially as there are so few who Dream at this stage. I'm soon going to go sleep for a few thousand years. In the meantime, consider the few offers I've given some of you, and treat my creations gently. If you harm them, expect serious retribution. Does anyone have anything to say to me before I go?""Sweet...dreams?..."
"Not yet. Which is why they must be taught.""We have different views on the subject, I see...parents who fade away and die...are an effect of mortal lifespans....you do not see trees die to make way for their children, after all...save through fire or disease...and we are by nature different from our creations, rather than simply more experienced ones of the same sort...I see us more as gardeners...some plant bulbs, to be dug up later, once ripe...some plant stalks, so they might have them regrow time and again...and some plant flower, to be viewed and admired for time to come...but what is the garden without a gardener...?...and what is the garden to do, should weeds take root...?...I can understand your viewpoint...but it is based off of mammalian tendencies...not botanical, or divine ones...the Saplings have a very different parent-child dynamic, for example...the mother does not die needlessly once the child is grown...so I hope you can respect why I might disagree..."
"No, I would think not. Consider a family of four. They are prosperous and never once have to think of starvation. The worst they will ever encounter is death, and a death by old age at that. They are happy but that is all. They will never once think of Change, of Progress or Development.""I can see some wisdom in your words. But mortals also need the strength to weather conflict. You forget the greatest strength the Maag have cultivated is the one I would teach them. Does not the elder child need to care for their kin to be of, worthy character, as you say?"
"Now think of another. A family still of four. The father is old and ridden with cancer. The mother poor and with a leg that will never heal. The younger child not even able to stand. The older child, if of worthy character, will strive to improve his lot. If he or she takes the right opportunities, they might become a physician or healer. They could care for their family, nurse their plights and even discover treatments. By ensuring that some sort of Conflict is present, mortals will have to progress."
Mavnon looked towards the Maag and Dwarves. After a moment she smiled. "Look. Those blessed creatures have already progressed. They reacted to a challenge and already they have become better. Do you see what I mean?"
Mavnon looked out towards Iliseth, with the souls arund her."From a practical perspective, souls without bodies cannot provide worship. From a humane perspective, it matters because they and others care of their lives and deaths. That a child would be upset if their toy is broken is enough reason to not break the toy assuming no other evil would result. This is common sense."
"And truly, why does it matter if a mortal dies? Their soul lives on; only their body is lost. Nothing more."
"Conflict is key to progress, but Conflict without purpose is just Chaos. It is wrong and perverse."(So you're saying that Conflict without purpose is a perverse and unorthodox way of worshipping you. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/heresy) You also say that this is "Chaos". Now why does this seem so familiar....)
This rain problem can be alleviated with what I already have. But first."The rain was created with Power and should dissipate by the next Tick."
Grant the elemental wolves sapience, so I can command them.
"The wolves of air shall work to better the rain situation. Bunch up the clouds, so it alternates between sunny and cloudy."
Have the elemental wolves of air control the weather.
"Did you want to weigh in on the matter of which one of us is the true god of Blood, sister?""It is as foolish a question as asking two blonde-haired Humans, "Which of you is truly the blonde-haired Human?""
Regarding Babylon, that's just tempting Utther to destroy it though.Good idea!
Regarding Babylon, that's just tempting Utther to destroy it though.
Regarding Babylon, that's just tempting Utther to destroy it though.Good idea!
Do not believe you can ruin our creation with impunity, god of hatred. You anger everyone and have no one to protect you. You will cease to exist as soon as we deem you too much of a nuisance. Many of us already do.Oi, you! I may be a god filled with hate, but I ain't no god of hate. You should'a stayed in school to learn the difference, your parents ought to be ashamed!
Nilva continues bothering the mortals. This time she bothers the Clothier, she doesn't actually do anything, just general talking/poking him repeatedly with a wolf shaped stick. He nearly died and therefore gets a break encounter.((This is ridiculous.))
"Why are many deities idiots?"Because none of ya have any respect for yer elders or tradition! This used to be a good neighborhood you know!
"Old man, I'm tempted to sear you from existance for your wanton genocide. However I feel like others will accomplish that for me."Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Ya have no evidence to prove that was me!
"....your point being?...we need no evidence beyond the circumstantial, in this case....this is no mortal court...""Old man, I'm tempted to sear you from existance for your wanton genocide. However I feel like others will accomplish that for me."Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. Ya have no evidence to prove that was me!
"If he fails to provide a reasonable excuse, I say we vaporize him.""Agreed."
Smoke appears, forming into a vote-board!
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Vaporize Mr. Genocide: Gai-gen
Let Him Live:
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"Explain their biology and how they function? Also reproductive cycles?"Spoiler: Prayers (click to show/hide)
"These are my races."
Two forms appear before the gods. One is a short human made of shadow. The other is a large pale worm decorated in what appears to be teeth from many of the mortal races.
"Meet the Shadow Kobolds and the TeethStealers."
"You are completely out of power. Whacha spend it on. Hmm?"Forgot my owls didja? Maybe I did something special for them.
"If he fails to provide a reasonable excuse, I say we vaporize him.""Shouldn't we wait until the next Tick to allow him to provide himself an excuse before we vote to destroy him? Or at least delay the destruction until the next Tick so he might change our minds? The odds of him doing so are low but it's only fair."
___I only see TWO gods that voted. You're fudging the votes!
Vaporize Mr. Genocide: Gai-gen, Teburshe, Nilva
Let Him Live:
((Exactly.))Nilva continues bothering the mortals. This time she bothers the Clothier, she doesn't actually do anything, just general talking/poking him repeatedly with a wolf shaped stick. He nearly died and therefore gets a break encounter.((This is ridiculous.))
"Why are many deities idiots?"
"You fool, the one on trial gets no vote. And Teburshe was pretty clear about wanting you gone, you could ask him."___I only see TWO gods that voted. You're fudging the votes!
Vaporize Mr. Genocide: Gai-gen, Teburshe, Nilva
Let Him Live:
Also, I vote against my own destruction.
"Actually I did. Your owls recieved no noticable traits last tick beyond being annoying. Power expenditures are temporary.""You are completely out of power. Whacha spend it on. Hmm?"Forgot my owls didja? Maybe I did something special for them.
Never considered THAT didja?
As it was said, this is no mortal trial, and you never specified that I couldn't vote. 'Sides, im you're elder, so I always get a vote."You fool, the one on trial gets no vote. And Teburshe was pretty clear about wanting you gone, you could ask him."___I only see TWO gods that voted. You're fudging the votes!
Vaporize Mr. Genocide: Gai-gen, Teburshe, Nilva
Let Him Live:
Also, I vote against my own destruction.
"Explain their biology and how they function? Also reproductive cycles?"
"Explain their biology and how they function? Also reproductive cycles?""Because it's relevant to my sphere?"
"I have no knowledge of their reproductive cycles...Why would you even want to know?"
"I hereby elect myself temporary chairman of the Divine Execution Committee for the duration of this trial"HA, you ARE making yourself a dictator! Back in my day, prospective dictators were strung up by their ethereal bits!
"Note the word 'Temporary'""SECONDED!!!"
"My proposal is we bind him to the mortal plane for a few thousand years. One hundred years for each day of life each of the mortals he killed lost when he slaughtered them."
"Note the word 'Temporary'""That I can support. Perhaps it might even teach him some humility?"
"My proposal is we bind him to the mortal plane for a few thousand years. One hundred years for each day of life each of the mortals he killed lost when he slaughtered them."
"Because it's relevant to my sphere?""They have no genders and reproduce by magic."
"Note the word 'Temporary'"Support.
"My proposal is we bind him to the mortal plane for a few thousand years. One hundred years for each day of life each of the mortals he killed lost when he slaughtered them."
"So in order to punish him for being a crochety old man, we should force him to live life as an immortal crochety old man.... I am not in support of this idea.""No, we force him to live life as a frail, physically weak mortal. And then maybe send his owls after him."
"It's implied we'll modify them."Dont you dare touch my owls!
"I will touch your owls if I damn well please."I swear by all that is not as shit as everything else in this world which has to pass for "good" that if you touch my owls there will be a day of reckoning the likes of which have never been seen before! And that threat is not diminished by the fact this universe has never had a day of reckoning!
___"...why do you assume I want him vaporized?....he is a nuisance, to be sure...but he does not deserve death...only...what do mortals call it...ah yes...a good spanking..."
Vaporize Mr. Genocide: Gai-gen, Teburshe, Nilva
Let Him Live:
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"Well, it's either you or Mavnon. Would someone check to see if Mavnon spent a large chunk of Power or Essence last turn? And besides, Power only does temporary things."
"Nilva has derived a punishment that is fittingly severe, yet leaves him alive. And as for the flood: we can look into that after the Chairman election and this trial."
"bloody"Watch your language in front of your elders!
I still say I shouldn't be punished, but if you damn kids feel the need to feast on the corpses of your forefathers, who gave you everything in life, who raised you, cared for you, and loved you, then so be it. Just give me some time to contemplate the gross obscenity of your horrendous actions.
I still say I shouldn't be punished, but if you damn kids feel the need to feast on the corpses of your forefathers, who gave you everything in life, who raised you, cared for you, and loved you, then so be it. Just give me some time to contemplate the gross obscenity of your horrendous actions."Describe to me an instance in which you did any of that...describe to me an instance in which any of that was ever done for you...describe to me what it looked like when I was born...you can't...because none of it is truth...it's entirely farce...and you should feel ashamed of yourself for it...I can describe what it looked like when you were born...I was there for it...and I will not speak for the others, but...
Ahem.I still say I shouldn't be punished, but if you damn kids feel the need to feast on the corpses of your forefathers, who gave you everything in life, who raised you, cared for you, and loved you, then so be it. Just give me some time to contemplate the gross obscenity of your horrendous actions."Describe to me an instance in which you did any of that...describe to me an instance in which any of that was ever done for you...describe to me what it looked like when I was born...you can't...because none of it is truth...it's entirely farce...and you should feel ashamed of yourself for it...I can describe what it looked like when you were born...I was there for it...and I will not speak for the others, but...
...I...Am...Older...Than...You...
...if anyone has been showing disrespect for their elders, it is you...you are a rash and impudent child ripping up flowers to get attention...now get...off...MY....LAWN!"
""...perhaps his punishment should be something simpler, though...what if...what if we made it impossible for him to complain...?...or made it so he would have to pay Essence or Power every time he complained...or every time he spouted ridiculous nonsense...?...(This sounds oddly familiar...)
Put two essence towards punishment."Uztot, your Essence is needed for the project."
Screw you "old man!" I'm pretty much the only one here you are remotely older than, so you can shove this age debate up your arse!Ahem.I still say I shouldn't be punished, but if you damn kids feel the need to feast on the corpses of your forefathers, who gave you everything in life, who raised you, cared for you, and loved you, then so be it. Just give me some time to contemplate the gross obscenity of your horrendous actions."Describe to me an instance in which you did any of that...describe to me an instance in which any of that was ever done for you...describe to me what it looked like when I was born...you can't...because none of it is truth...it's entirely farce...and you should feel ashamed of yourself for it...I can describe what it looked like when you were born...I was there for it...and I will not speak for the others, but...
...I...Am...Older...Than...You...
...if anyone has been showing disrespect for their elders, it is you...you are a rash and impudent child ripping up flowers to get attention...now get...off...MY....LAWN!"
THAT IS NO WAY TO SPEAK TO YOUR ELDERS YOU DAMN, UNGRATEFUL, ROWDY, UNCOUTH, UNEDUCATED, CHILD.
Teburshe, I am ready to make the proposed magic crystals plants if you are? I'd be willing to contribute one essence."Ah, yes...I had nearly forgotten...I think it will take somewhat more than that...but I thank you for your assistance in any case...I wonder if I could make a Great Tree in the style of one..."
"Brother Teburshe, when I am not tied up helping Iliseth I would like to give your Saplings a gift. Spirits to protect their groves.""...I would welcome such a gift...and be grateful for it, Brother Uztot...in kind, I will offer you a gift when I am able...tell me...where would you like your Great Tree to be planted?"
"I am honored. I will have to think of a good location for it.""Brother Teburshe, when I am not tied up helping Iliseth I would like to give your Saplings a gift. Spirits to protect their groves.""...I would welcome such a gift...and be grateful for it, Brother Uztot...in kind, I will offer you a gift when I am able...tell me...where would you like your Great Tree to be planted?"
A sly, kindly smile.
((The Maag themselves are located on one planet fragment (they were all created in a single large desert) so that's hardly a problem? Also the entire problem is removed because I've linked everything up with permanent portals. I haven't even done anything dickish like demanding a toll fee for using the portals! Be grateful!"I am honored. I will have to think of a good location for it.""Brother Teburshe, when I am not tied up helping Iliseth I would like to give your Saplings a gift. Spirits to protect their groves.""...I would welcome such a gift...and be grateful for it, Brother Uztot...in kind, I will offer you a gift when I am able...tell me...where would you like your Great Tree to be planted?"
A sly, kindly smile.
(Are we going to start exhibiting what I'm calling the Keshan problem in honor of Ye Gods? Namely, that lots of important things like the Great Trees and the Maag Mosaic will end up on one planet fragment?)
Izgamlo is accepting essence donations *hint hint*((that sounds very sexual))
((More like you have your mind in the gutter))Izgamlo is accepting essence donations *hint hint*((that sounds very sexual))
Lithus/Luthus prayers responds to prayers:I would ask you to temper this message Lithus. The unbound ambition of the Alphas has caused misery among my ants. Their destruction by Utther seems to have done quite some good to ant society, even if the method is not one I would have chosen.
Disgruntled Ant:
Perhaps it is an occasion for you to bring the change you dream of, then. If you can coordinate a large enough number of your kind, you will be able to establish yourself as a leader. I would assume your king will welcome such an initiative, as he seems to be running out of leaders. Prove yourself useful to him, and you will be able to work on creating a better world for you and your brothers and sisters in life.
I use 1 power(If I have any, otherwise Ignore this), spread over as long as it can last instead of being given in a single burst to give this ant the courage needed to perform this act.
"Nilva, would you be willing to aid me in constructing the Ring of the Wolf? I'd grant it to only the most fierce. Also, I'll add in a side effect of the bearer questioning his sexual identity (if you so desire). Also, ribbons.""What would the ring do?"
I would guess that it turns the owner into a wolf? Mmm, that doesn't seem too useful actually..."Nilva, would you be willing to aid me in constructing the Ring of the Wolf? I'd grant it to only the most fierce. Also, I'll add in a side effect of the bearer questioning his sexual identity (if you so desire). Also, ribbons.""What would the ring do?"
I was under the impression that a large portion of your moon was left ungoverned. I saw this a an opportunity to restore order. And finally, the message I hoped to send to this ant was to make the changes he wished to see by himself. Sorry if I was misguided. How should I change my message?Lithus/Luthus prayers responds to prayers:I would ask you to temper this message Lithus. The unbound ambition of the Alphas has caused misery among my ants. Their destruction by Utther seems to have done quite some good to ant society, even if the method is not one I would have chosen.
Disgruntled Ant:
Perhaps it is an occasion for you to bring the change you dream of, then. If you can coordinate a large enough number of your kind, you will be able to establish yourself as a leader. I would assume your king will welcome such an initiative, as he seems to be running out of leaders. Prove yourself useful to him, and you will be able to work on creating a better world for you and your brothers and sisters in life.
I use 1 power(If I have any, otherwise Ignore this), spread over as long as it can last instead of being given in a single burst to give this ant the courage needed to perform this act.
From my observations, order is already restored, fighting being lacking without the Alphas squabbling over territory. While I am not opposed to the ant enacting change, I would prefer he not do so by amassing leadership. Have him focus on progress rather than power. His original complaints about the only thing changing being who they are fighting is already invalid, since the fighting has largely stopped and progress has happened among the ants, with them having learned architecture and basic maths.I was under the impression that a large portion of your moon was left ungoverned. I saw this a an opportunity to restore order. And finally, the message I hoped to send to this ant was to make the changes he wished to see by himself. Sorry if I was misguided. How should I change my message?Lithus/Luthus prayers responds to prayers:I would ask you to temper this message Lithus. The unbound ambition of the Alphas has caused misery among my ants. Their destruction by Utther seems to have done quite some good to ant society, even if the method is not one I would have chosen.
Disgruntled Ant:
Perhaps it is an occasion for you to bring the change you dream of, then. If you can coordinate a large enough number of your kind, you will be able to establish yourself as a leader. I would assume your king will welcome such an initiative, as he seems to be running out of leaders. Prove yourself useful to him, and you will be able to work on creating a better world for you and your brothers and sisters in life.
I use 1 power(If I have any, otherwise Ignore this), spread over as long as it can last instead of being given in a single burst to give this ant the courage needed to perform this act.
The Dwarf's lifespan is extended to around 150 years. Many Dwarven Elders get out of retirement, now feeling the effects of youth once again. (Stellarion -4E)((
(You already listened to some prayers)
I have revised my answer as you asked.From my observations, order is already restored, fighting being lacking without the Alphas squabbling over territory. While I am not opposed to the ant enacting change, I would prefer he not do so by amassing leadership. Have him focus on progress rather than power. His original complaints about the only thing changing being who they are fighting is already invalid, since the fighting has largely stopped and progress has happened among the ants, with them having learned architecture and basic maths.I was under the impression that a large portion of your moon was left ungoverned. I saw this a an opportunity to restore order. And finally, the message I hoped to send to this ant was to make the changes he wished to see by himself. Sorry if I was misguided. How should I change my message?Lithus/Luthus prayers responds to prayers:I would ask you to temper this message Lithus. The unbound ambition of the Alphas has caused misery among my ants. Their destruction by Utther seems to have done quite some good to ant society, even if the method is not one I would have chosen.
Disgruntled Ant:
Perhaps it is an occasion for you to bring the change you dream of, then. If you can coordinate a large enough number of your kind, you will be able to establish yourself as a leader. I would assume your king will welcome such an initiative, as he seems to be running out of leaders. Prove yourself useful to him, and you will be able to work on creating a better world for you and your brothers and sisters in life.
I use 1 power(If I have any, otherwise Ignore this), spread over as long as it can last instead of being given in a single burst to give this ant the courage needed to perform this act.
I suggest that he focuses on becoming a scientist and researcher rather than a leader.
Their destruction by Utther seems to have done quite some good to ant society, even if the method is not one I would have chosen.Izgamlo could swear he heard in the distance, a very faint, very old voice say "Toooooooooold you soooooooooo"
Must have been the wind. Space wind.Their destruction by Utther seems to have done quite some good to ant society, even if the method is not one I would have chosen.Izgamlo could swear he heard in the distance, a very faint, very old voice say "Toooooooooold you soooooooooo"
Sad Ant: So, it is impossible then...are they well, at least?
Young Saplings: So, what did she say?
Moi'aaty prayers:
Human man: Rain can cause both life and death, just like you! I want to be able to make it rain whenever I want!
Dwarf Woman: What is the proper way to respect those who has passed on?
Maag Gravedigger: It is so hard to bury people in this sand! How should we deal with corpses?
To Dwarf Woman: Most of the cultures I have observed honour their dead by either burying them underground, usually in coffins, or by cremating them and either scattering the ashes or keeping the ashes in urns. Ultimately however, do what you think is best.Might I suggest an alternative? Build "towers" upon or within which the corpses are placed, so that the wolf-vultures can consume them, sending their bodies into the cycle of nature. Ritual Exposure of the Dead I believe it is called.
To Maag Gravedigger: The way I see it, there are two options. The first is to invest in better shovels. The second is to build large structures and to "bury" the dead in those.
To Dwarf Woman: Most of the cultures I have observed honour their dead by either burying them underground, usually in coffins, or by cremating them and either scattering the ashes or keeping the ashes in urns. Ultimately however, do what you think is best.Might I suggest an alternative? Build "towers" upon or within which the corpses are placed, so that the wolf-vultures can consume them, sending their bodies into the cycle of nature. Ritual Exposure of the Dead I believe it is called.
To Maag Gravedigger: The way I see it, there are two options. The first is to invest in better shovels. The second is to build large structures and to "bury" the dead in those.
Stellarion prayers:
Dreamborn: Space, Space! I'm gonna space! In dreams! What is it like in real space?
Maag Astronomer: These Telescopes are amazing! I wish I could see some of those bodies closer....
Dwarf Hoarder: Ack! My workshop is out of room again! I wish I had more space for inventions...
What? None of you damn kids is going to do anything about one of your ungrateful friends blowing up the body you made?! I swear, back in my day, people respected the things they made! They didn't just blow them off the face of the "planet"!"...I believe that likely comes as a result...due to your own incompetence...rather than any inherent destructive impulse on our part...you lack subtlety, to be blunt...and it has put you in this position...you have only yourself to blame..."
I swear, who is the real god of Destruction here? Because it seems you rowdy kids have killed and destroyed more than I ever have!
"There shouldn't be any problem with that, although I ask you leave Sankis the Immortal: he is still needed here."((I'm pretty sure you didn't make the dwarves though?))
Human Hunter: BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD MEAT FOR MY HEARTH SKILLET!Use power to give the man his own personal raincloud that even follows him indoors.
Ant Nurse: Ah, these Larva are growing up nicely! I just wish there was something more I could do for the little darlings...
Dwarf Toaster: To Family! To Friends! To the Gods we drink! Uztot, bless this meal!
((I didn't, but I'm very involved with them.))"There shouldn't be any problem with that, although I ask you leave Sankis the Immortal: he is still needed here."((I'm pretty sure you didn't make the dwarves though?))
Human Minstrel: I heard there was a sacred cord that you could play to please the lord, but you don't really care for music, do you?"How dare you say such things about me! Music was my first love, and it'll be my last!"
Sapling Singer: Is it true that singing to plants helps them grow faster?"Yes, some plants indeed grow faster when you play music for them."
Young Human: This is my last chance...if I don't get any food from this performance, I will have to sell my instruments. Help Alicia, please!"Fret not, my noble follower! I shall come to your aid!"
"I shall help you, but then they shall have the purpose to bring the Durrakil Song from space to your followers. Singing the song should keep them alive. Agreed?"I'm sorry, could you clarify? Do you mean that the Durakill song must be sung at all times, or just in space to keep them alive?
Spread the seeds of this on all worlds, focusing on areas with bloodshed and death.Utther felt a small seed hit him directly on the head.
(Your body won't reform for another Tick.)Spread the seeds of this on all worlds, focusing on areas with bloodshed and death.Utther felt a small seed hit him directly on the head.
The hell?
Then he threw it away.
((no, it's already reformed... i think. i got some help with it, but im still not sure if it ever happened))(Your body won't reform for another Tick.)Spread the seeds of this on all worlds, focusing on areas with bloodshed and death.Utther felt a small seed hit him directly on the head.
The hell?
Then he threw it away.
Kill a penguin and rip its soul apart.
When Utther's body has reformed, soul sense and blood sense.
Uztot hums to himself.Aurosseu snores quietly in a corner.
"The void has grown quiet. Quiet different from the cacophony of creation."
Edit: Please disregard this action, it is outside of Skolld's capability, so I'll cancel it.
Go to outter space, expand the space surrounding our planets, create Spaceweavers, a race of gigantic Spiders able to live off of spacedust and light, they spend their long lives constantly weaving more space into existance.
(Your body won't reform for another Tick.)
"Is it really asleep I wonder? You would think the difference would be meaningless for a god of Dreams."Uztot hums to himself.Aurosseu snores quietly in a corner.
"The void has grown quiet. Quiet different from the cacophony of creation."
Watch over the Ring Bearers and the human leader; spend P to protect them if they are attacked by divine magic. If attacked by a mortal, let the interaction play out. Do not overspend on this.
Put in all remaining essence into increasing the human leader's power. Do not spend Crux. Spend all remaining power to aid him in his trials. <---
Talk with Sankis for awhile; aid him in his research and question why he isn't a leader. <---
To the Maag Architect: "That is understandable. But you could dig through glass, correct? Sand may become glass when sufficient heat is applied." Use Essence(not if it would tap my Crux), bless the Maag Architect with the ability to project intense heat, heat hot enough to near instantaneously turn sand to glass.((I believe a pyromancy magic system exists, so couldn't you just teach him that instead?))
((Oh.))
Actually, explain the concept of pyrourgy to the Maag Architect, and explain how it could be used to turn the sand to glass, allowing it to be tunneled through.
((Pyromancy is technically divination by fire.))
The Maag already have knowledge of glassmaking, and are using this knowledge to make advanced telescopes.((Oh.))
Actually, explain the concept of pyrourgy to the Maag Architect, and explain how it could be used to turn the sand to glass, allowing it to be tunneled through.
((Pyromancy is technically divination by fire.))
This shouldn't be necessary. I have already ordered the Aag nation to begin extracting stone from the mountain.
Visit the Maag architect and tell him that the stone he needs will be extracted from the mountain. He should still use this power to create glass for his projects. Also encourage him to find a way to create glass without magic, as it will be easier to mass produce this way.
"I would like it to be heard at all times, but since you will likely become part of the durrakil canon you are not to be worried.""I shall help you, but then they shall have the purpose to bring the Durrakil Song from space to your followers. Singing the song should keep them alive. Agreed?"I'm sorry, could you clarify? Do you mean that the Durakill song must be sung at all times, or just in space to keep them alive?
Nilva contributes 2 Essence and her Wolf Sphere to the Great Beasts, making ones derived from wolves or wolf based fauna just slightly more common, as well as increasing the initial quantity.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Create the Great Beasts. They are truly massive creatures, nearly Great Tree scale, and feed off of shadow. As a result, they are primarily nocturnal, so that they might collect food by moving. They can eat actual bio-mass if they need to, but they are larger enough that it is rather inefficient. They are typically slow moving due to their size, though more than capable of defending themselves. They can also use Great Magic, although it is instinctive, primarily to divert hurricanes or tornadoes and the like away from them.
Create a Great Seed to be planted near a coastline or river delta and use one power to help it control the weather while it grows.
Check on the Sapling's trade lines and developing culture and technology. Teach them about a bit about sailing and how to craft sailing ships. Teach them a bit about the other races.
Hearth Spirit: Fire should be used to protect, right? My friend seems to think otherwise...Fire is to be used for whatever you so wish! Want to cook, use a fire! Want to blacksmith, use a fire! Want to raze a city to the ground, use a fire! Note, I am not responsible for what you do with fire.
Dragoon: Char, shouldn't fire be used to destroy? My Hearth Spirit seems to think they are supposed to protect and build...
Fire Wolf: Need to...spread fire...without damaging...environment home...
Somewhere random, an explosion of confetti occurs and out of the explosion appears...
a strange figure wearing bright clothing, a party hat and a mask with a painted smile...
Hello one, hello all!
I am Verruckt the chaotic, Verruckt the kind, Veruckt the entertainer and Veruckt the entertained!
Basically you can call me Veruckt. Really you can call me whatever you want but Veruckt is certainly what I am most likely to respond to. Not entirely sure why.
Veruckt gives a brief glance around the universe.
Looks like you've already... done stuff. Shame I couldn't be here sooner but then again, arriving a little late to a party isn't really such a bad thing.
Anyway, I hate to rush but I also hate to wait. Therefore, I think I will go about creating something for entertainment, mine and hopefully yours as well. A nice cozy place where people can go on adventures and generally have a swell time. Like a dungeon of rainbows... and blood... or something like that.
Unfortunately I am less familiar with this beautiful little universe than most of you and I'd greatly appreciate it if some of you could suggest some nice locations for me to place this dungeon of mine. Hopefully a place with lots of space. No fun in a small dungeon is there?
SUBTLE?! IM DAMN SUBTLE. IN MY DAY WE INVENTED SUBTLE.As he sleeps, Aurosseu is leaning against a cane that looks a lot like Utther's.
AND THEN WE PERFECTED IT SO NOBODY COULD BEST US IN THE RING OF SUBTLETY.
There are the space tentacle people and the space whales.Spoiler: Demonic Spoon (click to show/hide)
Mmm space certainly is abundant in space. However when one is considering opening up a... shall we say attraction? It is generally good for a various assortment of folks to be able to access that attraction. Thus my main qualm with space is that I am unsure of how many local residents or potential tourists space would have.
Verruckt pulls out a long sheet of paper with various strange glyphs and looks it over.
Suppose I could always set up some transportation but that would most likely be taken out of the monster budget and a dungeon with no good monsters is really no good dungeon at all.
Bah! Don't listen to that ingrate! I only killed off the leaders, brought about some damn change on these rocks.
Sides, they've killed off tons of people with all the damn things they've created and splashed around with no regard!
"Do you not know what he is guilty of? He used all his Power in a pulse that killed the vast majority of the world's leaders, causing wide-spread chaos and confusion."Surely presenting chaos as a negative thing to the god of this very aspect is a bad way to convince him. I would rather point out Utther's tendency to ruin all things fun and bring sadness and anger to everyone. His owls were created for this purpose after all.
"Do you not know what he is guilty of? He used all his Power in a pulse that killed the vast majority of the world's leaders, causing wide-spread chaos and confusion.""Is it a reason to become barbaric ourselves? He is still trapped in a mortal body, and does he have to suffer. I see his walk on the mortal side of live as a way to learn how conflict can bring forth the change needed within our space."
"'Accidental', right. The god of conflict 'accidentally' killed people in a flood. How was it supposed to not kill people? Please, enlighten me. I'm sure Uztot would also like to know the answer. He'd just be more insufferably polite about it."
"...from what I could tell...it did not kill very many...inconvenienced many, yes...but it was no rushing tidal wave...it was a buildup of rain...and it encouraged many inventions...but the death of the world's leaders...artists...scholars?...that leads nowhere save ruin..."
Grant the trapped god a warm blanket, a nice meal, and a stick of a wanderer.I already got my cane, but thanks anyway. Maybe you kids aren't all bad.
"Here little friend, so your stay is not so cold."
Aurosseu rubs his hands where eyes would be, yawns, slowly stands up and throws the cane away. It lands near mortal-Utther two Ticks ago.I now have 1 stick and 2 canes. Why the hell would i need all these dammit?!
"...moreover, I fail to see what difference you would have made, Aurosseu""I would have suggested more appropriate punishments, whatever they might have been. Punishing one crime with a ridiculous humiliation conga that doesn't even achieve anything, and ignoring another, is simply not justice. But what is done is done, I just need to get y'all on the right track so this won't happen in the future."
"Do you not know what he is guilty of? He used all his Power in a pulse that killed the vast majority of the world's leaders, causing wide-spread chaos and confusion."Surely presenting chaos as a negative thing to the god of this very aspect is a bad way to convince him. I would rather point out Utther's tendency to ruin all things fun and bring sadness and anger to everyone. His owls were created for this purpose after all.
Oh, and hello Verruckt. Tell me, do you support progress? Do you wish to see things improve?
Or maybe you enjoy revolt, the change it brings? To see corrupt leaders get what they deserve?
Oh, and Uztot, is that a split personality I spy with my little eye?
It seems we might have more in common that I initially thought...
Spend one essence to create two-way portals leading to Verruckt's space-dungeon in the throne room of Clan Rilem, on the peak of the mountain in the Maag Desert, and within several of the largest mountain ranges of the world fragments.
But I wanted it to be difficult to get to the portal, that's why I put it at the top of the mountain.
Why though? I can't particularly think of anything you'd want to do up there.But I wanted it to be difficult to get to the portal, that's why I put it at the top of the mountain.
I understand why you might want that. It would still be a long walk to reach the portal from the capital, and adventurers won't perform well if they are exhausted by the ascension. Putting it on the ground should also attract more adventurers. As I said earlier, I need the mountaintop to be clear of anything.
(( Uhhh, it seems you skipped my other two actions. ))
((You missed my first actionpost))
((Wait, why is my mountain made out of sand? It's supposed to be made out of rocks, like pretty much every mountain in existence. I thought it was obvious enough that I wouldn't need to specify, especially after I inspected the crust to find any damage. I need to know if it's really going to remain sandstone before I can do anything.))((I would like to know this as well. Deserts always have a huge rocklayer under them. Why the shit is the whole thing sand?))
((Yeah, and since the mountain is the tallest in the world, how is that supposed to support itself and not fall apart if it's made out of sand?))((Wait, why is my mountain made out of sand? It's supposed to be made out of rocks, like pretty much every mountain in existence. I thought it was obvious enough that I wouldn't need to specify, especially after I inspected the crust to find any damage. I need to know if it's really going to remain sandstone before I can do anything.))((I would like to know this as well. Deserts always have a huge rocklayer under them. Why the shit is the whole thing sand?))
The Loi'naaryt seem to be doing well, for a race that doesn't seem to exist?
Moi'aaty considers the Ironwood forests that he had raised, observing the rust coloured bark on older trees and the silvery grey of new growth.
Yes. This shall do nicely.
Moi'aaty creates a new race of mortals, the Loi'naarytSpoiler: Loi'naaryt (click to show/hide)
Create 6E worth of Loi'naaryt, spread across all three world fragments.
Arise Loi'naaryt, my children born of my own Essence and Crux. Arise and tend to the Ironwoods that are your homes and cradles. Be aware that there are other gods besides me, and other mortal races besides yourselves. How they will react to your existence has yet to be seen.
Tick 5: Penguins?
The Loi'naaryt are created and given the basics of tool use! They begin to make their homes deep in the Ironwood forests of the planets (-6E
((Wait, why is my mountain made out of sand? It's supposed to be made out of rocks, like pretty much every mountain in existence. I thought it was obvious enough that I wouldn't need to specify, especially after I inspected the crust to find any damage. I need to know if it's really going to remain sandstone before I can do anything.))
((Yeah, and since the mountain is the tallest in the world, how is that supposed to support itself and not fall apart if it's made out of sand?))
((Wait, why is my mountain made out of sand? It's supposed to be made out of rocks, like pretty much every mountain in existence. I thought it was obvious enough that I wouldn't need to specify, especially after I inspected the crust to find any damage. I need to know if it's really going to remain sandstone before I can do anything.))
((That is why you didn't have any crust damage. Trying to force a Mountain to grow like that near any civilizations would end up being devastating if done correctly. So, instead, the mechanism of mountain building was taking grains of sand from around the world and essentially teleporting them into the pile, which allows them to stay after the Power wears out, continues to look like a dune and fit in with the desert, and doesn't explode the planet into a new fragment.))Quote((Yeah, and since the mountain is the tallest in the world, how is that supposed to support itself and not fall apart if it's made out of sand?))
((The same way it works in all fiction settings: A God did it.))
((Whatever. The Mountain thing really isn't that important, if there is a backlash against it being formed of sand I could just transform it into sedimentary rock, which could be done with a similar mechanism but different materials.))
((Wait, why is my mountain made out of sand? It's supposed to be made out of rocks, like pretty much every mountain in existence. I thought it was obvious enough that I wouldn't need to specify, especially after I inspected the crust to find any damage. I need to know if it's really going to remain sandstone before I can do anything.))
((That is why you didn't have any crust damage. Trying to force a Mountain to grow like that near any civilizations would end up being devastating if done correctly. So, instead, the mechanism of mountain building was taking grains of sand from around the world and essentially teleporting them into the pile, which allows them to stay after the Power wears out, continues to look like a dune and fit in with the desert, and doesn't explode the planet into a new fragment.))Quote((Yeah, and since the mountain is the tallest in the world, how is that supposed to support itself and not fall apart if it's made out of sand?))
((The same way it works in all fiction settings: A God did it.))
((Whatever. The Mountain thing really isn't that important, if there is a backlash against it being formed of sand I could just transform it into sedimentary rock, which could be done with a similar mechanism but different materials.))
((Yeah, I'd rather have it made out of stone please. The whole point of the mountain was to be an access to the stone crust.))
May I suggest mirrors?
((Didn't you already do that?))((Did not appear in the updates, i think he didn't see it or i was doing to many actions))
Tick 9: Hello Friend
Stellarion continues to choose his chosen people, who accept the offer gratefully and begin performing the assigned task, following the example given to them by two blessed specifically by Stellarion. They seem to be doing incredibly well for themselves, though some get distracted with other tasks necessary to keep the others going strong. (Stellarion -2E)
((oh nvm then, somehow i missed it))((Just edit the post you want to be diregarded and use the
Listen to prayers
"Lauxal, there's still nothing personal about this. In another world, maybe we could co-operate.""I think I prefer us as rivals. I keeps me more active, always having to create more things to outdo your creations."
."Erm. Azem. He also likes to be addressed as Goldfather. Lizardmen? What Lizardmen?((I pretty much only asked the name because I wanted to add it to your character list so I wouldn't forget it again, which I just did. (I mean adding it, not forgetting.)))
What? I thought I was everyone's favorite split personality."I did specify taking the form of an emerald dragon. I don't see you doing that too often."
Oh, and what kind of data did you get, Aurosseu? Anything useful?"Well, for one, Azem can clearly use divine power while in control of Uztot..."
"I did specify taking the form of an emerald dragon. I don't see you doing that too often."Fair enough...
"Well, for one, Azem can clearly use divine power while in control of Uztot..."This isn't exactly related to dreams, but it is still true. It seems to mean that possession of a god by another one is possible. This is definitively worth researching. In fact, I will have to ask him many questions when he comes back, he seems to know quite a lot of interesting things.
"Ah. Hm."
Tell the Lizard Men the Aag are friends and guide them to the Aag nation.
"By the way Lithus, Azem would like to know how you two get along."
Appear before Uztot.((Offer of assisted suicide?))
"Greetings, is there anything I can do to release your misery?"
"Let me rephrase that. We're both interested in how exactly your duel nature works. As to what he is...I'm not quite sure. A hallucination made real by my own divine power? Actually a being older than we are? And I thought I was in charge, but that's clearly not the case. I wasn't even aware he could do that..."
A clown car parks nearby, from which a few dozen Aurosseus emerge.
The speak in unison along with the original: "We know our split personality is more literal and less psychological, but do you accept us into your gang?"
Azem tilts his head.
"Slow down. Let's prioritize. Ask five questions of me hatchling. Only five."
"I myself am not entirely sure. In my own bubble I was originally the god of Greed and Trade, later known as the god of Wealth and Trade."
"My memory on this is hazy."
"I do not. If you wish, I could tell you about my bubble, and the Void beyond."
"Your spheres would've aligned well with mine I suspect. Uztot certainly considers you a potential ally. As for the questions, you are merely curious, and I do not begrude that."
"I meant no more than five questions at once, not five total."
((Teleporting millions of people at once? I don't class that as plausible.))
Also...
"ERROR-reboot sequence-... agh. I might have to shut down temporarily, unfortunately. Hibernation, seems like... what will happen to me soon. Not yet."
((I'm going to be temporarily leaving the forums soon.))
((I used 1 Power to give someone a fey mood and have them make linothorax.))
Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
"Or you could give her something shiny."Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
Search his mind for info on this attacker.
"Why not gift her some flowers. Everyone enjoys flowers."
"Or join that group that gives good dreams and gift good dreams instead.""Or you could give her something shiny."Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
Search his mind for info on this attacker.
"Why not gift her some flowers. Everyone enjoys flowers."
"I'd go with the flowers."
"Old Man Uztot, why don't you bring discord and conflict to your people here? It might bring progress and prosperity to them, and increase their space of freedom."Uztot blinks.
Maag Obelisk Watcher: Well, I don't need to eat, all I do is gain wisdom from this Obelisk. But I could gain more wisdom from having sacred dreams!
Nightmaring Ant: As they catch the dreamer and start licking him, their tongues grow to massive tentacles and sprout thorns!
I use 2 power to continue empowering the workers on the tower, and two essence to strengthen the tower, fusing individual building blocks into a solid and whole and strengthening the base materials used in construction, my sigil begins appearing at several spots on the inside and outside of the tower.
Mavnon, I find the Mobile Portal Doctrine to be appealing, but sadly the way I set up the magic makes it difficult to use effectively. You might be able to use livestock to power the portals. Perhaps if you gave them a way of enchanting artifacts that suck up the large amounts of lifeforce and such released from the dead in battles that can then later be used to power portals? Just some thoughts.
"Old Man Uztot, why don't you bring discord and conflict to your people here? It might bring progress and prosperity to them, and increase their space of freedom."
Good point Nilva, but why would they create an independent kingdom? I am certain that a god is behind this. This god is most likely allied, whenever publicly or secretly, to whoever created clan Rilem, explaining why their territory is untouched. Who was it again? He might know something.
Good point Nilva, but why would they create an independent kingdom? I am certain that a god is behind this. This god is most likely allied, whenever publicly or secretly, to whoever created clan Rilem, explaining why their territory is untouched. Who was it again? He might know something.
"Might I suggest not forcing a formchange on an entire species? Let them decide their own form on the individual basis."[Skolld, god of Binding and Bone]
"The difference is they are sapient. They have their own minds. Doesn't really matter if you made them sapient initially. They've bred. The children have grown their entire lives as wolves. Don't force a form shift on the entire race. Instead ask on the individual level. Let each one chose for themselves."[Skolld, god of Binding and Bone]
"I'm surprised at the lack of reaction to my claim of being about a hundred ticks older than all of you.""You're either telling the truth or you're a hallucination. You gain and lose nothing from truth or lie. Therefore no reason not to assume truth."
[Skolld, god of Binding and Bone]"Didn't see the change."
Skolld is in his wolf form once again.
"I have now allowed them to choose, did you not see my change to my command? There is a delay between sending and receiving. I can use that delay.
As for the other gods, I used to hear them all the time. Now I do not, likely because of the body I possess.
But I ask again, who are you?"
(I just realized Azem claimed to be about a thousand ticks old, not a hundred. Whoops. A hundred is correct though.)"Explain? Why paranoia?"
"Ah yes. That. I have my suspisions. I might even tell you of them one day. But I remember what knowledge of dark things did to my bubble. It tore the Council apart in an endless cycle of paranoia."
"Explain? Why paranoia?""I think I know what he means. The lynch mob that emerged against Utther is something that would incite paranoia, as well as the subterfuge going on around."
It is quite possible portal magic was simply unfamiliar to them, and they weren't aware they could do that. After all, it can take years to fully master its intricacies, and their teaching might have been imperfect. Where did they learn it again?
I believe it unwise to so quickly abandon invested resources if they slightly displease you.
Was it Illyria who taught the Rilem portal magic? I'm just curious about along which channels magical knowledge is propagating.It is quite possible portal magic was simply unfamiliar to them, and they weren't aware they could do that. After all, it can take years to fully master its intricacies, and their teaching might have been imperfect. Where did they learn it again?
I believe it unwise to so quickly abandon invested resources if they slightly displease you.
"Abandon? No. They displease me, but just because they have shown themselves to be incompetent does not mean I will leave them so soon. More failures and idiocies and then perhaps I will. But not yet."
"No, I told them directly at their birth. It is quite odd truly that once a god has created something magic others may freely teach it and yet the same does not apply to other technologies."Ah, that simplifies my searching. Just a moment, finding the relevant records...
Teach Ritual magic to Clan Rilem.So it seems you just told them to take up Portal Magic. If I'm reading this correctly you didn't give them any actual instruction in Portal Magic, only Ritual Magic. So they seem to be effectively self-taught. No wonder there are problems.
Tell 5 of them to take up Portal Magic and gather as much knowledge as possible from the Ritualstones. Inform them of what they are, what they do and the nearby Saplings. Keep doing this until they exhaust all mortal knowledge. Encourage them to learn metalworking via the Ritualstones if they don't already have it.
"No, I told them directly at their birth. It is quite odd truly that once a god has created something magic others may freely teach it and yet the same does not apply to other technologies."Ah, that simplifies my searching. Just a moment, finding the relevant records...Teach Ritual magic to Clan Rilem.So it seems you just told them to take up Portal Magic. If I'm reading this correctly you didn't give them any actual instruction in Portal Magic, only Ritual Magic. So they seem to be effectively self-taught. No wonder there are problems.
Tell 5 of them to take up Portal Magic and gather as much knowledge as possible from the Ritualstones. Inform them of what they are, what they do and the nearby Saplings. Keep doing this until they exhaust all mortal knowledge. Encourage them to learn metalworking via the Ritualstones if they don't already have it.
((I don't believe there would have been any writing concerning Portal Magic until I taught the Space Clan, so couldn't have learnt from Ritualstones))
The Dwarven crownbearers, the Ant RingBearer, and several Evolution Orb wielding adventurers have been teleported to the entrance lobby of the Dungeon! There, a large Ball of Flesh with hundreds of tentacles attempts to steal their artifacts away from them! This beast seems quite powerful already.
Use power to conjure a drop of antimatter within that large ball of flesh.That might damage the Dungeon, which would be a shame. Could you try for something less indiscriminate and with less collateral damage maybe?
The Ant king may be able to leave, but that does not aply to adventurers or my Crownbearers. If you do not concern yourself with those that are not yours and ignore that somone is trying to steal both your rings and my crowns in addition to cripling free dwarves who are the only civilization not being conquered, why would I care about a life of a single ant?You are the one who said each us must care only for our own creations, as you are doing. Now you would condemn me for responding as to why I did not wish to waste power protecting my own? I am not the one here actively endangering the lives of mortals, quite probably including some dwarven adventurers that have just entered the dungeon for the first time. Should I kill some of your dwarven kings myself as well if you're being like this? Why should I care for the life of a single dwarf?
And with a divinely empowered monster combined with however many are hiding in the shadows, I truly doubt that there are any adventures on the first floor at the moment.You seem to have forgotten all the Evolution Orb bearers teleported to the location
"Oh and Lithus, I do hope this duel of ours will be enjoyable."Duel? Did I miss something?
He means the Clan Rilem revolution."Oh and Lithus, I do hope this duel of ours will be enjoyable."Duel? Did I miss something?
You imply that I was behind this? Anyone with half a brain would've seen that revolt coming ages before, even without any intervention. Because I am the god of revolutions doesn't mean I am behind every single one of them. I only revolt against things that stall progress, and this clan does not, as far as I know.He means the Clan Rilem revolution."Oh and Lithus, I do hope this duel of ours will be enjoyable."Duel? Did I miss something?
"Lithus, should I just call you Lithus? Anyway, I welcome the idea of an alliance. Are there any particulars you wish to discuss?"
I have no particular qualms with you using the dungeon. Just make sure you carry out your experiments on an appropriate floor. The more dangerous it is, the deeper you should perform the experiments.
The first floor is of course reserved and should not be tampered with.
Block this god from communicating with my followers."Or join that group that gives good dreams and gift good dreams instead.""Or you could give her something shiny."Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
Search his mind for info on this attacker.
"Why not gift her some flowers. Everyone enjoys flowers."
"I'd go with the flowers."
Counter.Block this god from communicating with my followers."Or join that group that gives good dreams and gift good dreams instead.""Or you could give her something shiny."Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
Search his mind for info on this attacker.
"Why not gift her some flowers. Everyone enjoys flowers."
"I'd go with the flowers."
Counter this counter.Counter.Block this god from communicating with my followers."Or join that group that gives good dreams and gift good dreams instead.""Or you could give her something shiny."Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
Search his mind for info on this attacker.
"Why not gift her some flowers. Everyone enjoys flowers."
"I'd go with the flowers."
Counter the counter's counter~Counter this counter.Counter.Block this god from communicating with my followers."Or join that group that gives good dreams and gift good dreams instead.""Or you could give her something shiny."Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
Search his mind for info on this attacker.
"Why not gift her some flowers. Everyone enjoys flowers."
"I'd go with the flowers."
Slap.Counter the counter's counter~Counter this counter.Counter.Block this god from communicating with my followers."Or join that group that gives good dreams and gift good dreams instead.""Or you could give her something shiny."Lauxal prayers:"Noun/plural noun: monsters/1. a creature that is typically large and frightening."
Interested Teeththeif: What exactly is a monster, anyway?
Frightened Teeththief: I was just attacked by something while infiltrating a Human's dream! What in the world was that?
Infatuated Shadow Kabold: I fell in love with a Naiad, but she doesn't seem to like the nightmares I gift her! What should I do?
Search his mind for info on this attacker.
"Why not gift her some flowers. Everyone enjoys flowers."
"I'd go with the flowers."
Listen to prayers.Slap the slap with a trout~
Iliseth prayers:"All will be well in due time. In the meantime, I need you to pray to me about everything you know of the Dwarves, their military, their occupation of the town, etcetera."
Human Revolutionary: Why have you let these off-brand Dwarves conquer my hometown? Are we not better then this!?
Human Toaster: Where would we be without this wonderful Great Tribe? Praise Iliseth for giving it to us!
Human Tribe Member: AAAAAH! MY CITY IS FLYING INTO THE AIR OH ILISETH WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!
Space Clan Dwarf: Do all these rituals help me with the Art, and if so, can I use it to teleport?
Musling Minstrel: Is it true that Music is good for your soul?
I throw Frederick high up into the air. While he's in the air and safely away from anyone, I fire a Soul blast with 1P and then a Fire blast with 1P. Which blast is bigger? Does my primary sphere make up for the inefficiency of the discipline? Catch him before he hits the ground and possibly falls on someone.
"I wouldn't worry about Frederick, Patronius. His Ring of Protection is more than powerful enough to withstand my blasts and the fall, assuming I wouldn't catch him.
"Good. Now you know what it is when the lives of your creations and followers are threatened. Just as you did before, I will acquiesce to your request and withdraw my action. I find it a bit amusing that you would categorise an angel as a mortal."I throw Frederick high up into the air. While he's in the air and safely away from anyone, I fire a Soul blast with 1P and then a Fire blast with 1P. Which blast is bigger? Does my primary sphere make up for the inefficiency of the discipline? Catch him before he hits the ground and possibly falls on someone.
"I wouldn't worry about Frederick, Patronius. His Ring of Protection is more than powerful enough to withstand my blasts and the fall, assuming I wouldn't catch him.
"Nonetheless, you'll toy with Frederick over your dead body. You will stop your plans immediately or I will expend every ounce of my strength to combat you. If you desire to play scientist with the mortals, do it with your own angel."
Iliseth prayers:"All will be well in due time. In the meantime, I need you to pray to me about everything you know of the Dwarves, their military, their occupation of the town, etcetera."
Human Revolutionary: Why have you let these off-brand Dwarves conquer my hometown? Are we not better then this!?
Human Toaster: Where would we be without this wonderful Great Tribe? Praise Iliseth for giving it to us!
Human Tribe Member: AAAAAH! MY CITY IS FLYING INTO THE AIR OH ILISETH WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!
Space Clan Dwarf: Do all these rituals help me with the Art, and if so, can I use it to teleport?
Musling Minstrel: Is it true that Music is good for your soul?
*appreciates*
Check what's going on with the flying city.
Check what kind of rituals this Dwarf is talking about. Are they Artistic rituals or are they based on a magic system?
"So long as the music doesn't drive those who listen to it insane, it most certainly is."
Once I get the military information from the Human Revolutionary, I create 4P worth of military-oriented Humans and use 2P to arm them and give them martial knowledge. I command them to free the town and other settlements from the invading Dwarves and fight them as long as they can afterwards. They are to avoid collateral damage towards Humans as much as possible.
I create a power(as in physical ability)-decreased, charisma-increased angel with 2E. I will designate this kind of angel as a Leader angel. It will go to Humans fighting the Dwarves (so long as they don't live in Frederick's lands), teach them Art, form an army, and lead them to the defence of Humanity's lands. The false Humans might not win the war by themselves, after all, and they can't prevent anything. Maybe the angel can help with the horse-riding thing?
Iliseth prayers:"All will be well in due time. In the meantime, I need you to pray to me about everything you know of the Dwarves, their military, their occupation of the town, etcetera."
Human Revolutionary: Why have you let these off-brand Dwarves conquer my hometown? Are we not better then this!?
Human Toaster: Where would we be without this wonderful Great Tribe? Praise Iliseth for giving it to us!
Human Tribe Member: AAAAAH! MY CITY IS FLYING INTO THE AIR OH ILISETH WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!
Space Clan Dwarf: Do all these rituals help me with the Art, and if so, can I use it to teleport?
Musling Minstrel: Is it true that Music is good for your soul?
*appreciates*
Check what's going on with the flying city.
Check what kind of rituals this Dwarf is talking about. Are they Artistic rituals or are they based on a magic system?
"So long as the music doesn't drive those who listen to it insane, it most certainly is."
Once I get the military information from the Human Revolutionary, I create 4P worth of military-oriented Humans and use 2P to arm them and give them martial knowledge. I command them to free the town and other settlements from the invading Dwarves and fight them as long as they can afterwards. They are to avoid collateral damage towards Humans as much as possible.
I create a power(as in physical ability)-decreased, charisma-increased angel with 2E. I will designate this kind of angel as a Leader angel. It will go to Humans fighting the Dwarves (so long as they don't live in Frederick's lands), teach them Art, form an army, and lead them to the defence of Humanity's lands. The false Humans might not win the war by themselves, after all, and they can't prevent anything. Maybe the angel can help with the horse-riding thing?
Use 7P to sow Conflict within these humans, forcing them to fight one another.
Patronius, would you mind doing me a very small favor? One of my merchant prayed to you, asking how to cheat the system to become richer. Would you mind telling him to move to a place were it is allowed to become richer that the others, or find a way to fix the problem without letting him cheat the system? Letting him do as he wish would set a very bad precedent in the nation, and I do not want to have to deal with the possible consequences of this.
Patronius prayers:
Human Tribal Leader: Ah, there is no way I can face the Great Tribe, but I don't want to give up my position of Leadership! What should I do?
Maag Trader: My Countries' economy is totally stupid! Patronius, what is the best way of getting more Things then everyone else in my nation without having to share?
Dreamborn Engineer: That Dwarf Sankis thinks he is the world's greatest engineer, eh? I will challenge him to an engineer off! Winner gets the Ring!
Lorash prayers:
CRD: My Husband was a Portabanii who forgot I even existed...can you try to revive some of his memories!?
Ant Mage: Is it a sin to use memories for Portal Magic?
Saag Miner: If you are the God of Metals, why have you not spread metals to the races yet!?
Erm... Patronius, this is exactly what I was hoping to avoid with the merchant. I made my society in a way that allows everyone to benefit from it's work without having to fear a lack of funds in their projects. Perhaps you could show him how to improve the economy of the nation as a whole? That would technically fulfill his wish for wealth without ruining my economic model. Perhaps he could start organizing a better trade network which would benefit everyone, himself included? This would be quite close to what you proposed.
What is this? Comunists are rebeling because any individual is more likely to see flaws in others and their work than in himself and his? What a surprise. Yet as Aag has yet to become conquered, I would sugest Mutualism.
-high church stuff-"Interested."
"This...High Church....what does it entail...?"
"Although...why would being administrative...rather than manual labor...entitle him to a greater share than any other?"[/shadow][/color]
"I would assume you want to assume leadership of this pantheon of the High Church, Patronius? Do tell me more, but I doubt I will join such an inequal group."
Aurosseu listens to prayers.
"I am not tampering with anything. I am simply giving my knowledge to those who pray to me; if you wish to ban him from his own country for having opinions different from your own, go ahead. You might have to banish quite a few of your creations from their own homes, however."
"Knowledge cannot be limited."
Very well. If this is how you wish to play...
The worship of patronius is now forbidden within the Aag nation. Any attempt to force capitalism in the nation is to be fought with any mean necessary. Patronius is now declared an official enemy of the nation. No physical harm is to be done to his follower for now. Those who insist on worshiping him can either leave the nation or face criminal charges. use up to 4P(do not dip into my crux) to prevent patronius from communicating with those inside the nation.
For this unprovoked aggression of my principles and my creation, you can now count yourself among my enemies. I do not want to see you touch my creation ever again with your filthy hands. Doing so will result in harm done to you and your followers. I will naturally reject your pantheon and oppose it. Anyone interested in joining him should also know that doing so will greatly lower our esteem of them.
"-- I actually do not really think that a definitive LEADER of the pantheon is required. -- I'm sure that could be sorted out without one God acting as dictator."Aurosseu blinks. Which is an impressive feat for one without eyes.
Very well. If this is how you wish to play...
The worship of patronius is now forbidden within the Aag nation. Any attempt to force capitalism in the nation is to be fought with any mean necessary. Patronius is now declared an official enemy of the nation. No physical harm is to be done to his follower for now. Those who insist on worshiping him can either leave the nation or face criminal charges. use up to 4P(do not dip into my crux) to prevent patronius from communicating with those inside the nation.
For this unprovoked aggression of my principles and my creation, you can now count yourself among my enemies. I do not want to see you touch my creation ever again with your filthy hands. Doing so will result in harm done to you and your followers. I will naturally reject your pantheon and oppose it. Anyone interested in joining him should also know that doing so will greatly lower our esteem of them.
"It is sad to see that you refuse all principles except for your own. I will not retaliate, because I am not a God-Tyrant who rules over mortalkind with an iron fist. You speak of aggression, but the only thing I see is the diffusion of knowledge."
Let the Ringbearers know of this narrowsightedness through visions, but do not command them to do anything (that's not to say I'm barring them from doing anything of their own free will) and do not retaliate directly.
"W-what? Is this a dream no this is not a dream... ...Oookay, I'll consider the idea of joining your pantheon. I did not expect you to say either of those phrases, EVER. Another problem with my membership might be my ambivalence on many topics. You couldn't expect me to back you on every issue, at least fervently so."
Stop painting yourself as a saint. You have tried to push an ideology to my creation while I was clearly against it. You are as guilty as I am of forcing an ideal. Your move was simply more subtle, but no less present than mine.
"...for example, Liuthus, were I a mortal who stumbled upon a vein of iron...and I mined it to sell or forge...no one else would be hurt by this action...What about the Earth Wolves?
"I was giving someone who was praying to me what he wanted.""So if I find a mortal who prays to me asking for power so they might conquer the other races and force worship of me onto them, I should be allowed to give that mortal power? I'm sorry but this is entirely unacceptable."
"Frederick is one who would forcibly convert others to his worship and claim no responsibility since it's actually his follower doing the converting of their own free will, even if he gives them great power to do so. I can never be in a pantheon with him."
"So if I find a mortal who prays to me asking for power so they might conquer the other races and force worship of me onto them, I should be allowed to give that mortal power? I'm sorry but this is entirely unacceptable."
"Leadership is more than power....it is also responsibility...to those people whom one leads...and for the actions of those people...I would think that your follower, Patronius, would be more aware of this than most...although I think that as usual...Iliseth does not actually understand the situation...considering we were speaking of a merchant, not a king..."
"Leadership is more than power....it is also responsibility...to those people whom one leads...and for the actions of those people...I would think that your follower, Patronius, would be more aware of this than most...although I think that as usual...Iliseth does not actually understand the situation...considering we were speaking of a merchant, not a king..."
"Iliseth does not actually understand the situation...considering we were speaking of a merchant, not a king..."
"I wouldn't disagree with you; leadership is definitely responsibility to those whom one leads. However, Frederick has done no wrong; these claims that he has are based in fantasy.""It's a similar situation to what Frederick is doing. He's conquering all those he sees regardless of whether they want to be conquered or not. He finds whatever excuse he can and does so, Patronius always helping by supplying him with more power. In all three cases, it is a god supplying a mortal with power so they can indirectly increase the god's power at the expense of others, all the while the gods are saying it's neither their fault nor their responsibility."
"...and you 'united' Humanity under your priests, Iliseth regardless....of whether they wished to be united or not...what someone wants, and what is best for them, are not always the same....all of you make far too much fuss about such matters...""Firstly, that was at the beginning of their creation when they were all as devoted to me as possible. They would've happily done whatever I asked, my wants becoming their wants. Secondly, I chose my priests from the wisest of Humanity so they could lead their tribes during the early stages of creation since at the time, NO form of government had ever existed. As you said, a flawed system is better than no system, though in this case it's a matter of opinion whether it was flawed or not. Thirdly, tribal leaders eventually took the place of priests as they died and the wisest were presumably born outside the priesthood. All evidence suggests that it was a peaceful and willing transition."
"...and you 'united' Humanity under your priests, Iliseth regardless....of whether they wished to be united or not...what someone wants, and what is best for them, are not always the same....all of you make far too much fuss about such matters...""Firstly, that was at the beginning of their creation when they were all as devoted to me as possible. They would've happily done whatever I asked, my wants becoming their wants. Secondly, I chose my priests from the wisest of Humanity so they could lead their tribes during the early stages of creation since at the time, NO form of government had ever existed. As you said, a flawed system is better than no system, though in this case it's a matter of opinion whether it was flawed. Thirdly, tribal leaders eventually took the place of priests as they died and the wisest were presumably born outside the priesthood. All evidence suggests that it was a peaceful and willing transition."
((Note: One of the Events you missed was the "Regicide", where the majority of Leaders in the world where killed.))(I actually managed to get involved in that. I tried blasting Utther with a cannon but I failed because of PM's low priorities. Just in case you missed it, I said in the OOC that the action would've been done before the cursing, at least she would've sped up the time of the attack to [immediately] when people started talking about the curse. So the tribal leaders only appeared when the theocracies were cast down?)
((Note: One of the Events you missed was the "Regicide", where the majority of Leaders in the world where killed.))(I actually managed to get involved in that. I tried blasting Utther with a cannon but I failed because of PM's low priorities. Just in case you missed it, I said in the OOC that the action would've been done before the cursing, at least she would've sped up the time of the attack to immediately when people started talking about the curse. So the tribal leaders only appeared when the theocracies were cast down?)
(You just brought up the Regicide for some reason and I thought the two topics were relevant.)
"You all seem to assume...a great deal...power is far more than coin...whether it is capitalism or communism...democracy or dictatorship....power lies in loyalty, and strength of will...power lies in knowledge, and perception....the versions of these that are purchased are mere Shadows of their true nature...it is rare for purchased loyalty to be true until death...and nothing, Liuthus, is ever truly assured...nor is he necessarily interested in power...some merely want comforts and a simple life...would you attack the poor fellow for wanting something better for himself and his family...?...a merchant provides a service, that of distributing and transporting goods...it is not a perfect system, perhaps, but no system ever is...let Progress run it's course...if tribal societies are communist....then would not capitalism be progress...only being possible in more advanced societies?..."
"...and you 'united' Humanity under your priests, Iliseth regardless....of whether they wished to be united or not...what someone wants, and what is best for them, are not always the same....all of you make far too much fuss about such matters..."
"Should your new kingdom harm or attempt to conquer the Great Trees through force or coercion...rather than diplomacy or simply leaving them be, once their borders meet with the Great Trees....then that kingdom will fall into dust, ruin, and Shadow...as rebellion and discontent Grows within it's heart like a festering parasite...and it's enemies Grow strong on it's weakened borders...even as it is strangled by it's own oversized bureaucracy...I do not appreciate either Mortal or God interfering with the garden I tend...I do not mean this as a threat..."
((So we gonna ever get tick 11 income calculations? You said wed get some from tick 12 sometime, but I'd take even 11))
((I somehow mixed up tick 12 and 13. My point is, last two turns have no calculations and I have no clue what I can actualy do without killing myself.))((So we gonna ever get tick 11 income calculations? You said wed get some from tick 12 sometime, but I'd take even 11))
((Tick 11 calcs have been done for a week. I remember you complaining about them.))
(We also don't know if Utther is still mortal-sealed. It's kind of an important thing to know whether the wrathful god of Destruction is active or not.)((I somehow mixed up tick 12 and 13. My point is, last two turns have no calculations and I have no clue what I can actualy do without killing myself.))((So we gonna ever get tick 11 income calculations? You said wed get some from tick 12 sometime, but I'd take even 11))
((Tick 11 calcs have been done for a week. I remember you complaining about them.))
Regardless if he attempts to bring his ideology by empowering those who already seek it or by more direct actions, he is behind this and cannot claim that he is simply helping people. He helps those whose goals align with his, which is no different than enforcing his will, as those opposed to him suffer all the same.
"Should your new kingdom harm or attempt to conquer the Great Trees through force or coercion...rather than diplomacy or simply leaving them be, once their borders meet with the Great Trees....then that kingdom will fall into dust, ruin, and Shadow...as rebellion and discontent Grows within it's heart like a festering parasite...and it's enemies Grow strong on it's weakened borders...even as it is strangled by it's own oversized bureaucracy...I do not appreciate either Mortal or God interfering with the garden I tend...I do not mean this as a threat..."
"I refer to true tribal societies, the earliest of their sort...if I remember correctly, for humans, at least...they were primarily led by a council of elders within each tribe...and there was no need for even so much as a barter system...in the short time before Iliseth created the Theocracies, at least....I'm guessing that only in times of war, when a single decisive leader is more beneficial, would they have migrated away from that...and even then, it would only become permanent...once those leaders intentionally remained at war until their power was cemented..."
"Perhaps you and I have different ideas of what capitalism means, Liuthus...or perhaps simply different ideas of what makes people happy...nor do I wish to be in Conflict with you, my friend...our spheres mesh too well to be held back by simple differences of opinion...though I am curious now...would you consider Sapling society communist...or benevolent dictatorship? And I think it would be interesting to hear Uztot's thoughts as well...considering the nature of their relationship with the Great Trees..."
"...finally, my real concern with your ire is just....he seems to be teaching a mortal how to do something...if the other Maag...or was it an Aag?...it is difficult to keep them straight anymore, my apologies...but if the others do not want to participate, will they not simply refuse to purchase his goods...?...capitalism requires buyer and seller, after all...besides, education is Progress, is it not?...on another note...now I am curious...how does a communist society trade with external entities?..."
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Interested Teeththeif: Doesn't that describe most life on the fragments?"Yes, its a very broad sphere."
Frightened Teeththief: He seems to have been attacked by some form of spirit while in the Dreams of another, which had driven him out.
Shadow Kobolds: All these new adventurers seem harder to scare in nightmares! How can I still effect them?
Teeththief: Should Cursed Wolf-teeth be worth more then human teeth? Should we value them by size, or how much the being needed them?
Human Totem Magic Practitioner: So many of my Friends cause nightmares! It is fun when there is only one or two, but if I want to talk to several of my Friends at once not even I can take it! How can I resist nightmares longer?
Include Mavnon in the Pantheon of the High Church; all members and worshipers of the church will now also pay their respects to Mavnon. However, those who strictly worship Mavnon or strictly worship Patronius are still allowed in the High Church; though, a small tax must be paid in order to shirk the worship of one and still remain in the church.
Grant Illyria the Ring of Courage. As a Ringbearer, she takes on the Aspect of the Warrior with all privileges and responsibilities that come along with it. I will also watch over and protect her now, as I do all Ringbearers.
((Didn't you already give her that ring?))
Izgamlo continues to teach more random mortals a variety of magics. Nine seem to be ecstatic with a lesson from the God of Magic himself, with the tenth being slightly dissapointed and only interested in the "True Magic".Use essence to make the tenth mortal Immortal. Tell him I haven't gotten around to releasing true magic on the universe yet but here's a blessing anyway.
Mmm, so using unwilling sacrifices appears to be skill-based, since Illyria managed it before. Interesting!
Musling Dreamer: Can I be granted a Dream that is nothing but Music?
Dreamborn Totem User: My family has been Spirit-callers for generations, but no new spirits have been produced! Can we get some more types Spirit Friends?
Hearthspirit: *sigh* I dream of one day walking around as the other Mortals....
Nilva Prayers:
Semi-Sentient Wolf?: Bark, bark bark, howl, snarl! *tail wiggle, sit down* Soft growl?
Thirsty Nomad: That town won't us drink from the well anymore! They think we poisoned it. What else can we drink?
? ? ?: Honey, could you get wolf-milk on your way home from work? Love you, bye!
Semi-Sentient Wolf?: Bark, bark bark, howl, snarl! *tail wiggle, sit down* Soft growl?Apply calming headscratches and earrubs~ Figure out what the problem is and solve it in a preferably nonlethal manner. Using at most One Power. Also interpret further things from wolves in words and feelings for convenience.
Thirsty Nomad: That town won't us drink from the well anymore! They think we poisoned it. What else can we drink?Appear before the town and point out their logical fallacy. "Why in the Three Shards would they poison the very water they intend to drink? That makes literally no sense. I mean. Seriously. What? Have your noggins melted in the heat or something? Do you need hats to protect from heatstroke? The Aag Nation has some nice hats. Maybe you should import some?" Nilva uses 1-2 Power to make the villagers think about it logically, come to the conclusion that their likely emotionfueled nonsense is what it is. Nonsense. They will come to the conclusion that nobody would poison the water they intend to drink because it would be utterly moronic. Due to that conclusion, they will determine there is no reason not to let the nomads drink water. They are there to trade with the town after all. Why would they poison themselves and a potential trading partner?
? ? ?: Honey, could you get wolf-milk on your way home from work? Love you, bye!"Kay~" Nilva gets the person milk~
Dreamborn Totem User: My family has been Spirit-callers for generations, but no new spirits have been produced! Can we get some more types Spirit Friends?"I have something in the works~"
Maag Obelisk Watcher: So...What is up with Azem?"There are many ways I could answer that question. What do you wish to know that you have not already read on the Obelisk?"
Lizardman Recruit: I want to join the Military, but I think I am too empathetic to kill if I need to. What should I do?
Adventurous Naiad: Ah! I wish to explore the dungeon so badly, but can not leave my pond...
Next, the first Angel of Iliseth is created! As no description or other abilities are mentioned, it Goes to Default "Human with Cosmetic Differences". Iliseth then proceeds to beat up this weaker-then-Human with a stick, gaining the invaluable knowledge that she is stronger then a single particularly weak Immortal.(I have a fairly large problem with this. Ok, so the "power-decreased" thing is only relative to other angels, i.e. the ones that cost 4E. With 1E, I can make 2k Humans. With 1E, I think I can expect whatever angel I make to still be a few times more powerful than an ordinary Human. Humans with wings, by the way.)
Iliseth then continues to find revolutionaries in the captured Human Tribes, organizing the rebellion.(I'm guessing you mean I did this through my Leader angel rather than personally.)
Iliseth commits more pointless murders! First, she finds a group of Normal Dwarves training their military, to better prevent events like the Armory Raid. While they are in position, she fires two blasts at them! First a Fireball engulfs the line, killing several of the Dwarves! Next, she soul-blasts them, killing a few more! They seemed to have about the same power. (Iliseth -2P)(I would've thought it extremely obvious I meant the Dwarves currently invading my lands. I'll be more specific next time.)
Lan Cao investigates the revolutionaries. First, she discovers that "Art" seems to be a Magic system focused around the use of the Soul. It seems to be a flexible and powerful system, though risky and difficult to master. She learns this while interrogating several Revolutionaries who where captured. Almost as soon as she leaves them with the military, they are freed with the other she captured. Lan Cao seems to believe a God is helping them...
-the great big battle where lots of stuff happened and my dudes were awesome despite being outnumbered-(I don't see any mention of the Humans using Ar or the Leader employing any tactics with the revolutionaries (was meant to be a separate army from the Temps. Could've flanked and stuff.) Also, did the Leader not train the Revolutionaries? Should I be more specific next time? Did the angel manage to help develop horse-riding? That too wasn't mentioned.)
The Ringbearers continue to be watched over, with Patronius's luck in protection continuing to hold out. He notices Iliseth attempting to kidnap Illyria! He easily protects Illyria from Iliseth's clumsy attempt to knock her out, only for the Soul God to pull out a FN FNAR that she fires at the Ringbearer using Art! However, she fails to learn from the Penguin, the attack fails to harm her even without protection. (Patronius -0)(FN FNAR? Very well. I had this (http://i.imgur.com/3ZBkuNG.png) in mind if you were curious. :P)
Iliseth prayers:*interesting*
Human Farmer: Ah, this is the life! By Iliseth, this Great Tribe is the best thing that ever happened to us!
Human Hunter: These Great Beasts must have hundreds of pounds of blood in them! What should we do with it if we kill one?
Human Artist: How can I preserve blood for use in Art?
Human Artist: How can I preserve blood for use in Art?(I don't know how to do this IRL. Can I just do something like "I tell him of X ingredients that can be used to preserve blood"?)
Iliseth the cheapskate attempts to grant the few unaligned humans several abilities with a single point of essence. She teaches them how to ride domesticated Holfs (Horses+ wolf), though most of the others are either already owned or more costly then she is willing to spend. She then teaches the users how to risk their life to improve them.(I actually created actual horses back in Tick 5. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6281148#msg6281148) TBH I'd have been surprised if they hadn't learned to ride them on their own by now, especially since I told them to learn to do so. Can you tell me which of the technologies they already know? See the GM/Pantheon Only section above for the life-risking thing.)
What is the power for this magic? Sorry, I have to know.
((What is it powered by? Is the magic powered by essence, sunlight, lifeforce, souls, gold, prayer, blood etc.))QuoteWhat is the power for this magic? Sorry, I have to know.
((Err, what do you mean what is the power?))
((Can't be. Ritual magic isin't actualy powered by anything, and I bet there are few other magics like that.))((What is it powered by? Is the magic powered by essence, sunlight, lifeforce, souls, gold, prayer, blood etc.))QuoteWhat is the power for this magic? Sorry, I have to know.
((Err, what do you mean what is the power?))
((Ritual Magic is powered by essence and spell components))((Can't be. Ritual magic isin't actualy powered by anything, and I bet there are few other magics like that.))((What is it powered by? Is the magic powered by essence, sunlight, lifeforce, souls, gold, prayer, blood etc.))QuoteWhat is the power for this magic? Sorry, I have to know.
((Err, what do you mean what is the power?))
Skolld troubles:[Skolld, god of Binding and Bone]
A Human is running from the CRD towns holding a baby in her arms. Her husband was a revolutionary, and she fears that either she or the town will be punished.
In the Great Tribe, a group of Guards is searching frantically. Some POWs from a conquered tribe recently escaped, and they fear what they may do this deep in these lands.
A Hunter gets lost from his party deep into the woods. Alone, he meats a Great Beast- an absurdly massive Bolf (Bear+wolf)-that is preparing to charge him.
Create a race of dog-sized, sapiant spiders, that are apt at weaving, and have the ability to weave more space into reality (1m³ per day/spider), place them at the grand tower. Their name is Aragna
Appear before the dwarves of the Grand Tower and speak:
"Do not fear these spiders, they are brothers in constructing and able to increase space. Also their silk cloth is quite spectacular. Accept them as brethren, and you will profit immensely."
((Ok, I think I figured out what Stirk wanted))Spoiler: Original magic: do not steal (click to show/hide)
Fredrick's Underling: I heard from a Obelisk Watcher that you have been declared the enemy of the Aag. Is this true?
Musling Conductor: How can I lead multiple musicians at once?
"It is apparent that Iliseth is hostile to both myself, Mavnon, and our goals. She has attempted to strike at one of the Aspects and proven that she is an enemy of the High Church. While I was also going to attempt such an action, the difference is that I never CARRIED IT OUT. The mortals and her children in particular should know of her true nature."This confuses me. You told me not to attack Frederick and so I did not. (Moreover, I only planned to attack him because I knew he could not be harmed by my actions.) I attacked Illyria because she was leading the army against those who were praying to me for defence. I don't know what this "Aspect" is."
The seven most empathetic Lizard Men are taught Divine Art and are named as High Priests of Uztot.
"All I ask from you is that you use the knowledge well."
Lizard Man Missionaries of Uztot are sent to the Great Tribe to spread the Word.
"Normally, I wouldn't care about this in any way. Mortals are free to worship who they please. HOWEVER, you are allied with Iliseth, who has openly proven hostile to The High Church. I therefore request that you either leave the Pantheon (and in exchange, you will be allowed to freely spread your religion; I will also grant the Ring of Empathy to the leader of the group) or not attempt to spread your faith in the Great Tribe.""I still don't know what crimes I have committed in your eyes. I did not intentionally attack the High Church (especially considering it was just created) and I am willing to recompense for any unlawfulness on my part."
name The Truth of Iliseth blasphemy (his truth, anyway) and his priests blasphemous.
"Normally, I wouldn't care about this in any way. Mortals are free to worship who they please. HOWEVER, you are allied with Iliseth, who has openly proven hostile to The High Church. I therefore request that you either leave the Pantheon (and in exchange, you will be allowed to freely spread your religion; I will also grant the Ring of Empathy to the leader of the group) or not attempt to spread your faith in the Great Tribe.""I still don't know what crimes I have committed in your eyes. I did not intentionally attack the High Church (especially considering it was just created) and I am willing to recompense for any unlawfulness on my part."
name The Truth of Iliseth blasphemy (his truth, anyway) and his priests blasphemous.Make light of the fact that as Patronius can't even get Iliseth's gender correct, his "Truth" really can't be trusted. Also, "blasphemous" is the wrong word considering they're not insulting or showing contempt to any god.
"They will spread the Words of Unity and Brotherhood to the best of their ability. Your actions will speak for themselves if they are barred."
"Through your actions and conversations, I have determined that you are hostile toward myself and the High Church. I require no explanation to you.""Without knowing my "crimes" I cannot possibly pay for them. First you slander my name and then you prevent me from gaining redemption so you can continue to slander me. Only one as dishonourable as yourself would do such a thing."
(( It's called personal error on the part of the player >.> ))(Mistakes are made. OOC, it's fine but IC, I'm still gonna exploit that mistake since it makes sense in context.)
"The problem brother, is that you do not realize these things are one and the same.""Normally, I wouldn't care about this in any way. Mortals are free to worship who they please. HOWEVER, you are allied with Iliseth, who has openly proven hostile to The High Church. I therefore request that you either leave the Pantheon (and in exchange, you will be allowed to freely spread your religion; I will also grant the Ring of Empathy to the leader of the group) or not attempt to spread your faith in the Great Tribe.""I still don't know what crimes I have committed in your eyes. I did not intentionally attack the High Church (especially considering it was just created) and I am willing to recompense for any unlawfulness on my part."
"Through your actions and conversations, I have determined that you are hostile toward myself and the High Church. I require no explanation to you."Quote from: Andresname The Truth of Iliseth blasphemy (his truth, anyway) and his priests blasphemous.Make light of the fact that as Patronius can't even get Iliseth's gender correct, his "Truth" really can't be trusted. Also, "blasphemous" is the wrong word considering they're not insulting or showing contempt to any god.
(( It's called personal error on the part of the player >.> ))"They will spread the Words of Unity and Brotherhood to the best of their ability. Your actions will speak for themselves if they are barred."
"I am a bit confused about exactly what you're trying to spread. You said the 'Word'; what exactly is this? I assumed it was of you."
"The problem brother, is that you do not realize these things are one and the same."
"They brings words of peace to soothe needless Conflict. Nothing more, nothing less. If you view this as opposition, it is you who has chosen a side, not me."
"What exactly do you mean encroaching in your territory? The problem of these terms is that they are vague. I never spent any Essence or Power in your nation; I only spread information. If you really DO wish to work out a peace agreement, you will have to actually figure out specifics instead of asking me to make vague promises. Do you mean I cannot send any aid to followers within your nation? Cannot visit it? Or cannot spend essence or power? Or simply not go against your desires? Really now, you need to make yourself more clear."
"What exactly do you mean encroaching in your territory? The problem of these terms is that they are vague. I never spent any Essence or Power in your nation; I only spread information. If you really DO wish to work out a peace agreement, you will have to actually figure out specifics instead of asking me to make vague promises. Do you mean I cannot send any aid to followers within your nation? Cannot visit it? Or cannot spend essence or power? Or simply not go against your desires? Really now, you need to make yourself more clear."
Fine, I will clarify what I am asking. And I am not excessively interested in peace, rather I would prefer spending my resources in a more useful way.
What I am asking for in order to remove the ban on your worship is:
1- That you do not perform any secret actions within the Aag territory.
2- That you do not attempt to change or reshape the Aag society in any way.
3- That you stop any action within the Aag territory when I ask you to do so.
Secretly empowering your followers within Aag territory to perform any change to the system would be a violation of my first and second demands. Doing the same in public would be a violation of my second demand. Attempting to bring an ideology I did not want, despite me asking you many times not to do so, as you did (and which started this conflict in the first place), is also a good example of a violation of the second demand. Banning my worship in territory you control or declaring war against my people would not count as a violation of my demands, but would obviously result in a similarly hostile reaction. Helping your followers within Aag grounds in any way that doesn't affect Aag society is not a violation of either demands. Visiting my nation is not a violation either, as long as you do not attempt to change it in any way. I reserve myself the right to forbid any action within the Aag nation, right that I will use to block any attempt to exploit any loophole. Exploiting a loophole, while not specifically against any of my demands, will still be perceived as a negative action, potentially resulting in a conflict similar to the one we are currently involved in depending on the gravity of the act. If you have any question regarding my demands, or wish to negotiate on any portion of these requests, feel free to contact me. If you are serious about this peace discussion, I would recommend that you refrain Fredrick's offensive, at least until we either come to an agreement, or decide to resume our hostilities. My nation will not begin any offensive, but will respond to any with a brutal counter offensive.
-snip-"This treaty would be good if it was applied to Humans and myself. If you do this, Patronius, I will expect you to sign a similar deal when it comes to Humanity."
Welcome back, Utther! I hope your vacation went well! We are all glad to see you again!Uztot also visits the Nation to chat and help out this time.
Answer to prayers:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Listen to more prayer. Also return to visit the nation to chat and help. Use this occasion to announce that the system will be improved again soon. Appear from time to time in small villages without notifying anyone, to chat for a short time with the locals. Tell them that I will do short surprise visits from time to time in addition to the longer ones.
Spend 2E to make the beta ants even smarter after Izgamlo have done the same to the population.
This is the best kind of competition, don't you agree Izgamlo?Spoiler: New society rules (click to show/hide)
Inform the population that the Lizardmen will now be called the Kaag from now on. Encourage the Yaag species privately to not develop an elitist sentiment, as they need the other species to help them.
Order the army to begin the mass fortification of the villages and the territory. Self-sufficient forts are to be built all over the desert, and are to be guarded by a permanent force. When choosing their location, prioritize to place them around villages, more often than not in the direction of any potential threat, and then in any strategic position.[/b]
After that, appear again to the nation:
I have enacted more defensive measures. Expect more in the future, as some nations have declared their hostility towards us. I want you to be ready in case of a full-scale war. I will see if I can defuse the situation with the human kingdom and the new kingdom. In the meantime, I encourage you to strengthen your alliance with the saplings, and with anyone who you deem to be a good candidate for an alliance. I believe in all of you. We will prevail, even in dark times such as these.
Inform Aag historians that the current state of global warfare is to be called The First Divine Wars. Future large scale conflicts of similar nature will follow the same naming convention.Spoiler: Peace negotiations? (click to show/hide)
Give my army any knowledge I can get of their enemies' armies without spending resources.
To patronius:
So much for being the champion of free speech, patronius. The political motivation behind your actions are painfully easy to read. Anyways, what I told to your favorite puppet was also addressed to you. Do you agree to my conditions, or are we really going to have to waste mortal lives on this petty matter?
((I tried to add some spoilers to reduce the size of my post. None of it is secret so feel free to look at it. The thing I mentioned to patronius is in the peace negotiation spoiler.))
"Yes, I like the name. We both do, if it matters. I don't know if you consider Azem a person, I'm not really sure if I do, but Iliseth certainly doesn't."
"If it was merely an independent personality, then I would consider it a person. That it carries memories of a "bubble" that never existed tells me that the personality is a product of insanity.""Yes, I like the name. We both do, if it matters. I don't know if you consider Azem a person, I'm not really sure if I do, but Iliseth certainly doesn't."
I think Azem is likely to be a person, or at least an independent personality, which is all the same to me. I decided to give the Kaag a gift. Which traits do you wish to improve for the Kaag? You can choose two.
Uztot, are you fine with me giving your lizardmen a new name? I also need you to choose something."Hm. Dexterity and stamina perhaps?"
When I created the Saag, I mentioned that they were very protective of the Maag. Expand this protectiveness to the Yaag and Kaag.
Use 3E, split proportionately to their number so everyone receive the same amount to the Saag, Maag and Yaag to give them increased strength/resistance, dexterity/agility and intelligence/charisma respectively. Use 1E to improve two traits of the Kaag that Uztot will choose.
((most likely going to add more stuff here because I know I wanted to do more things but I can't remember what.))
All hostile actions toward Iliseth this tick have been canceled.As a result of successful peace talks made in private, all hostile actions toward Patronius this Tick have been cancelled. Peace has been made.
As the other gods lowered themselves and negotiated directly with the king of the so-called 'New Kingdom' Mavnon descended himself to relieve some stress."At this stage I am merely curious about this "New King", having just heard of him."
Mavnon curtsied to the monarch playfully, very aware of the oddity of a god giving so much respect to a mortal. With a devilish smile, she turned to the Pantheon of Blood and Progress and gave them a wink.
"So my king, you see the gods come to your throne."
"All gods of a single order, seeking treaty without a bone."
"Had they sent mortal lords, this would be at all odd."
"As you can see though, they have come humbly without a lot."
"Keen with godly fire, they want peace and what is known."
"Awful as it is, it is a sight to see the gods in such lowly knots."
"Do as you wish as it is your realm"
"I however recommend what you watch your step for though the gods are humble, they have power indeed."
"Do not however give in completely for that is a fool's error."
"I know you cannot trust me, I surely do not trust the gods, but take my advice and listen."
"To leave it by the road and listen to your heart is the fool's idea alone."
"Patronius, now that you are at peace with both myself and Lithus, you could allow Uztot's missionaries to spread the faith of ILU? I believe you had issue with it because I was part of that pantheon."
Spend 2E to make the beta ants even smarter after Izgamlo have done the same to the population.No, I don't. Please stop that.
This is the best kind of competition, don't you agree Izgamlo?
Spend 2E to make the beta ants even smarter after Izgamlo have done the same to the population.No, I don't. Please stop that.
This is the best kind of competition, don't you agree Izgamlo?
It's not that I don't like them, it's just that I don't want large intelligence gaps between different groups of ants. I'm fine with them doing science and whatnot, but can you stop telling them stuff like that I don't like them? Do you want me to go around the Maag telling them that you secretly hate them?Spend 2E to make the beta ants even smarter after Izgamlo have done the same to the population.No, I don't. Please stop that.
This is the best kind of competition, don't you agree Izgamlo?
Boooooring. They didn't do anything wrong, they were even helping everyone. I'm afraid I will never understand your judgement, why would you be against smarter ants?
Cancel giving beta ants increased intelligence. Visit them instead:
Your creator apparently doesn't like you, and so has taken upon his duty to make you as dull as possible. That is really a shame. I recommend you to still focus of pursuing scientific knowledge. I will also take this opportunity to fix the problem you told me about. You can still call yourselves beta ants, if only because of your shared ideal.
create a permanent portal connecting the beta ant research facility to somewhere within the Aag territory, not too far away from the center. Create an environment sustainable for both the ants and the Aag species, including the Kaag in a hollowed out chitinous sphere, large enough to fit several Saag and with an entrance large enough for them, around the portal. Tell the Aag nation to establish a permanent research colony around the chitinous sphere. They are to work with the beta ants to perform science, and give them any resources they need within reasonable limits.
Return to the monster who stole my rifle, speak to him again in a way that he can understand:[faint Utther laughter intensifies]
This is getting fairly irritating. Give me my rifle back or I will do everything in my power to end your existence. As I said the last time, if you give me my rifle I promise I will stop hurting you. I no longer have any war to worry about, which means that this time I will have the totality of my resources available against you.
"Just make a new rifle. Be easier that way."Return to the monster who stole my rifle, speak to him again in a way that he can understand:[faint Utther laughter intensifies]
This is getting fairly irritating. Give me my rifle back or I will do everything in my power to end your existence. As I said the last time, if you give me my rifle I promise I will stop hurting you. I no longer have any war to worry about, which means that this time I will have the totality of my resources available against you.
((Any particular ability or rules of the Pantheon that I should know mechanically?))
Patronius, do you have any objection for these actions to apply in your lands as well?
Good luck everyone with this new pantheon. I hope our respective ones will maintain a better relation than we had with the previous one.
Tell my church to begin performing charity, helping inventor, scientists and artists in need with donations. The church is also to organize a yearly fair, allowing every local inventors to compete to show their greatest invention to the public. A contest will be made to determine the best invention in many different categories, rewarding the winners with monetary rewards and a trophy. Worshiping me is in no way required to benefit or participate to any of these. These actions will be done at every location where there is a sufficient following to allow it, even outside the Aag territory, but only within patronius-controlled territory if he allows it.
Patronius, do you have any objection for these actions to apply in your lands as well?
Get Lan Cao's spynetworks to determine if any independent human tribes were supporting the rebels. If so, they are to be given an ultimatum: demilitarisation and opening their trade networks to Rilem. Should they refuse, warn them that the Armies of Rilem are completely intact and very much ready to invade.
Any rebel supporter within Clan territory are to be arrested and given a choice: an oath between themselves and Mavnon to serve her forever until death or the indentured servitude of themselves and their descendants. Any informers who can locate these rebel sympathisers (who have proven to be actual sympathisers by Lan Cao's spies) are to be rewarded with full Clan membership, possession of the accused and their possesions should their association with the rebels be proven.
Any practitioners of Art are to be rounded up. If determined to be loyal to the rebels or Iliseth, they are to be 'studied' by Illyria for possible uses.
The worship of Iliseth within Clan lands, while allowed, is to be monitored by the government. Iliseth must be worshiped in a way that is supportive of Clan rule.
(Double-post for important bump.)
(Because of the nature of the above action, I'm guess you're delaying your actions until the CRD give a response?)
Once the Magicka Academy of magic is created, Alicia tries to find the student with the most talent for music. She then proceeds to enchant their instrument, allowing it to be used for instrumental magic.
"I hope this helps your research."
"Mavnon...I would have you know...if those Orcs of yours raid the Great Trees...they will not be the only things to suffer the consequences...."
"That reminds me, I haven't forgotten about my gift to your Saplings Teburshe. I have merely been delayed.""There is no need...to worry, my friend...I understand completely..."
Tell the Aag nation that I am waiting for a response from the initiator of the cultural exchange before taking my final decision.
Friendly reminder that I am still looking for whoever proposed the cultural exchange.
If it was proposed by mortals, ask them for more details regarding the cultural exchange.
Order Rilem missionaries to spread the word of the Church amongst the Dwarven nations.
Tell the Aag nation that I am waiting for a response from the initiator of the cultural exchange before taking my final decision.
Friendly reminder that I am still looking for whoever proposed the cultural exchange.
If it was proposed by mortals, ask them for more details regarding the cultural exchange.
"Ah yes, that was I. Are you still willing to discuss it?"
Order Rilem missionaries to spread the word of the Church amongst the Dwarven nations.
"Awakening. What has happened in my absence?"
(Stirk said to do secret actions via PM. I won't look at your actions but others Rolepgeek will.)((Didn't he say he wouldn't? Besides, this is the price of psuedo-secret actions.))
(Stirk said to do secret actions via PM. I won't look at your actions but others Rolepgeek will.)(I thought I should do this in a spoiler because it was also for my pantheon, and Stirk also said that PMs get very little priority, like 3 ticks of delay in my experience.)
I think I would prefer you go back to PMs, since this seems to be more trouble then its worth.
Since I didn't have any rules for it, and if he *really* wanted to he could have read it without saying anything like everyone else did, it really isn't appropriate to punish him for it.
Tell the Aag nation that I am waiting for a response from the initiator of the cultural exchange before taking my final decision.
Friendly reminder that I am still looking for whoever proposed the cultural exchange.
If it was proposed by mortals, ask them for more details regarding the cultural exchange.
"Ah yes, that was I. Are you still willing to discuss it?"
Order Rilem missionaries to spread the word of the Church amongst the Dwarven nations.
Yes, I wished to know exactly what this exchange would entail for our two nations.
Tell the Aag nation that I am waiting for a response from the initiator of the cultural exchange before taking my final decision.
Friendly reminder that I am still looking for whoever proposed the cultural exchange.
If it was proposed by mortals, ask them for more details regarding the cultural exchange.
"Ah yes, that was I. Are you still willing to discuss it?"
Order Rilem missionaries to spread the word of the Church amongst the Dwarven nations.
Yes, I wished to know exactly what this exchange would entail for our two nations.
"A few members of each nation will inhabit the other nation and absorb as much as each other's culture as possible. I would hope this would foster ties between both nations as well as spread some culture around."
Nilva check to ensure that only church followers are affected by the vault afterlives.
"I have to ask. What the feth is the point of the lower two vaults? They only classify with people who aren't following the church."
"... oh well."
Use all my Power. Infuse the dwarven nations with a single idea: that of a perpetual motion device. Leave the Clan out of it.
"You have a point."
Instead, use 4 Power to infuse a tenth of the dwarven engineers with the idea for a perpetual motion device, not including the Clan.
(I have a fairly large problem with this. Ok, so the "power-decreased" thing is only relative to other angels, i.e. the ones that cost 4E. With 1E, I can make 2k Humans. With 1E, I think I can expect whatever angel I make to still be a few times more powerful than an ordinary Human. Humans with wings, by the way.)
(I would've thought it extremely obvious I meant the Dwarves currently invading my lands. I'll be more specific next time.)
(I don't see any mention of the Humans using Ar or the Leader employing any tactics with the revolutionaries (was meant to be a separate army from the Temps. Could've flanked and stuff.) Also, did the Leader not train the Revolutionaries? Should I be more specific next time? Did the angel manage to help develop horse-riding? That too wasn't mentioned.)
(FN FNAR? Very well. I had this in mind if you were curious. :P)
(I actually created actual horses back in Tick 5. TBH I'd have been surprised if they hadn't learned to ride them on their own by now, especially since I told them to learn to do so. Can you tell me which of the technologies they already know? See the GM/Pantheon Only section above for the life-risking thing.)
((Alright then. Golem magic will be powered by direct contact with fire. Puting a Golem magic marked metal in fire will not heat it, but instead charge the engravings within the metal. An hour of charging would be enough to serve for a day, max ammount of charge would hold for two weeks. The limbs are suposed to be detachable.))
All hostile actions toward Iliseth this tick have been canceled.
Important secret action that only works this turn.
(DOOONE! Gawds, this takes forever. I hope I didn't miss anything)(You did. You missed a pretty major thing here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6313729#msg6313729) First real paragraph, paragraph after that, and the sentence after that. I mentioned the edit here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6318354#msg6318354) Fourth sentence in the spoiler.)
(DOOONE! Gawds, this takes forever. I hope I didn't miss anything)(You did. You missed a pretty major thing here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6313729#msg6313729) First real paragraph, paragraph after that, and the sentence after that. I mentioned the edit here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6318354#msg6318354) Fourth sentence in the spoiler.)
((Also, I skipped past the part where you mentioned the edit, because it had the header "Only do this if peace is made between Humanity and the CRD.", which was not done.))(So now that you know, can you unskip it? Also, I shouldn't have given the CRD 2E worth of shinies. First of all, it was only an offer of 2E to be paid over time. Second, they refused the offer.)
((Also, I skipped past the part where you mentioned the edit, because it had the header "Only do this if peace is made between Humanity and the CRD.", which was not done.))(So now that you know, can you unskip it? Oh and why did I give the CRD 2E worth of shiny stuff? First of all, it was only an offer of 2E to be paid over time. Second, they refused the offer.)
((Eh, maybe later. I just put a ton of effort into getting just that up, having to go back to the literal first post is annoying. Why didn't you just add that in a new post?(I have a few strategic reasons for having it be done in the last Tick rather than this Tick, reasons I can't say outside of PMs. I see a "maybe later". Please tell me if you choose not to put it in.)
Presumably, you made the item before offering it. Also, every time you complain, another horse is devoured.))
((Eh, maybe later. I just put a ton of effort into getting just that up, having to go back to the literal first post is annoying. Why didn't you just add that in a new post?(I have a few strategic reasons for having it be done in the last Tick rather than this Tick, reasons I can't say outside of PMs. I see a "maybe later". Please tell me if you choose not to put it in.)
Presumably, you made the item before offering it. Also, every time you complain, another horse is devoured.))
(Yeah, no. If you get to be literal and say that there are no Dwarves invading my lands ("because they're not Dwarves, they're Clan Rilem Dwarves" is the reasoning I think), then I get to be literal about making an offer and doing nothing more. Penguin Master Race all the way. (Subtle doesn't work on me so if you're GM-telling me to stop complaining, just tell me.))
Musling Dreamer: Wow, this is perfect! Thanks! Why can't the real world be like this!?"Because not everyone would appreciate such an existence."
Skolld creates Shamanism! This might be more expensive then he thought (Skolld -7E)((Did you remember to add discount from pantheon?))
The Dreamborn is declared the winner, and given the ring! Sankis doesn't seem to be happy about this. He tracks the Dreamborn to his home, knocking on the door with the crossbow he made on his back. Sankis then points the weapon at the Dreamborn's head, stating that while Agriculture tools may be useful in some cases, the man with a weapon can always take from the man without one. Is he behaving differently from normal? (Patronius -1E, 2P)"The one with a weapon can always threaten the other, but the one with friends is more likely to win an exchange. I wouldn't pull that trigger if I were you."
I'd like it a lot. I'm not seeing the problem here."So you would like it if someone took your mind. Melted it down. Leaving a shell behind. You aren't You anymore. And used it to make a mountain or something? Find a better powersource or you will meet opposition. Like plants for example. Huge amounts of plants. None are sapient. And they grow back."
Human Artist: X ingredients? I will try this, I do not know if we have those kind of resources..."Then simply have the containers enchanted to slow the rot of blood. It shouldn't be too difficult for an Enchantment Artist."
If, by some miracle, I still have some essence or power left, restore memories to those guys that lost it from portals overdose.
I ask Neiron to spar with me."May I spar with Neiron?""If he agrees to, go ahead. Be careful not to cause any permanent damage, however."
(Not)Thirsty Nomad: I don't know what you did, but they are letting us drink from it now! Thank Nilva! (Nilva -2P)"I used logic. I pointed out how stupid it would be if you poisoned the very water you intended to drink from. They figured it out from there~"
Worried Nomad: A Wolf bit someone in the Great Tribe, and they captured it and are preparing it for execution! What should we do?Nilva spends one power to teleport the wolf to the nomads. She also chastises the Great Tribe. "You know. I don't think it's particularly logical to execute a nonsapient animal. No other animals will learn. Because they don't think. You'd do well to not be ridiculous next time." One power to make the people who thought it would be a smart idea to execute a nonsapiant realize how stupid it was that they thought that would do anything.
Semi-Sentient Worse: (Feelings of mild annoyance at having to drag Nomads around)Headpats are applied. Point out it'll be able to get dragged around by worses in a few months.
Nomadic Nomad: Is it still safe to travel through Orc Lands?"Just eat them if they try anything. Not like they have any way to permanently harm any of you. Can always orient towards redundancy if you don't feel like getting big."
Nighttime Human Minstrel: Ach! Those toneless Nomads keep howling all night, ruining the Music I am trying to perform in the Chiten moonlight!"I think you'll find they have quite a bit of tone to them if you actually listen. Those aren't just random howls. It's the song of the fractured world."
Human Tribesman: Why do those Nomads have so many weird animals with them?"Because they travel the world. The animals may seem weird to you, but they're normal on other Shards. There's a lotta stuff out there if you explore."
"Wait a moment. Delay both actions. Many Ticks ago a Human husband was bitten by an animal and for some reason felt happy.QuoteWorried Nomad: A Wolf bit someone in the Great Tribe, and they captured it and are preparing it for execution! What should we do?Nilva spends one power to teleport the wolf to the nomads. She also chastises the Great Tribe. "You know. I don't think it's particularly logical to execute a nonsapient animal. No other animals will learn. Because they don't think. You'd do well to not be ridiculous next time." One power to make the people who thought it would be a smart idea to execute a nonsapiant realize how stupid it was that they thought that would do anything.
Maag Obelisk: Is he real? Is what he says true?"To the first, I am inclined to believe he is. To the second, I cannot be sure."
Lizardman Recruit: Such as what?
Quote from: prayersMaag Obelisk: Is he real? Is what he says true?"To the first, I am inclined to believe he is. To the second, I cannot be sure."
Lizardman Recruit: Such as what?
"Do you have any skills or know any trades that would help?"
Uztot listens to prayers. He also discusses Leadership with Frederick, often using parenthood as a metaphor.
"Perhaps. Do you think the Kaag will make good psychologists?"
Shadow Kabold: Does controlling someone like a puppet count as Leading them?
Ant: Is it better to have one strong Leader, or many weaker ones?
Human Tribesman: Why do those Nomads have so many weird animals with them?
They had discovered Iron long ago, but do not use it, feeling that it is inferior to their Bronze which they continue to develop.
Soul sense and blood sense on all races so I can identify them later on."Please refrain from doing this to my children."
Soul sense and blood sense on the New King.
Did I hear revolt? Anyways, I hope you do not plan to use these beings you created to spread your ideology in my nation, Patronius. Doing so would be considered as a loophole abuse, punishable by the third rule of our peace treaty.
"Why should I refrain? I am the goddess of Souls and Blood. I have a right to see the souls and blood of all creatures, just as others have the right to merely see their physical bodies."Soul sense and blood sense on all races so I can identify them later on."Please refrain from doing this to my children."
Soul sense and blood sense on the New King.
Did I hear revolt? Anyways, I hope you do not plan to use these beings you created to spread your ideology in my nation, Patronius. Doing so would be considered as a loophole abuse, punishable by the third rule of our peace treaty.
"Spreading my ideology in your nation? I never ordered them to, nor do I plan to. If they do, it is of their own accord and I am not responsible for that. The actions of one creation does not necessarily represent the God who created them - for example, if a single Aag attacked Frederick, I would not hold it against you (unless, of course, he attacked him due to your orders or suggestions). I did not create them intending to break the peace treaty."
"Also, I find your racism towards the Aurors of rather ill will; you tell them that they are not allowed to break the laws in order to gain power, but then bar them from gaining any power with the law. In my eyes, that is rather stupid logic - by their very nature, they crave power and have no other way to gain power other than breaking the law thanks to this rule."
"I created them and have the right to say no, no you do not have the right.""Why should I refrain?" I am the goddess of Souls and Blood. I have a right to see the souls and blood of all creatures, just as others have the right to merely see their physical bodies."Soul sense and blood sense on all races so I can identify them later on."Please refrain from doing this to my children."
Soul sense and blood sense on the New King.
"Without the permission of the races or their creators, you afflicted many of them with endless nightmares. You have no right to complain when a god merely looks at one of your own races.""I created them and have the right to say no, no you do not have the right.""Why should I refrain?" I am the goddess of Souls and Blood. I have a right to see the souls and blood of all creatures, just as others have the right to merely see their physical bodies."Soul sense and blood sense on all races so I can identify them later on."Please refrain from doing this to my children."
Soul sense and blood sense on the New King.
"Without the permission of the races or their creators, you afflicted many of them with endless nightmares. You have no right to complain when a god merely looks at one of your own races.""Hypocrisy...is not proof of being incorrect...moreover...she stopped..."
"I must say, if this grand Nation continues to spread so parasitically without regarding the many tribes and nations it succumbs, I shall put a hold to it. I do not like the sight of bloodshed, and am apt to create gaping spaces of despair for the armies about to fight. You better find a solution to this violence quickly, or I shall gather my friends and stop it."
"Nobody was speaking about extermination, I have much more cruel forms of punishments for this fledgling nation in stock. Say I would take away their ability to communicate, or perhaps I shall curse the soil of the nation, or maybe I shall turn all maidens into ugly beasts, or I could easily copy the king a thousand times, each with a different view on how to run politics, all claiming to be the one true king. I could sow distrust amongst the brethren, leading to revolution. I could bring a plague of ancient Megawolves upon them. I could build a beautiful lever adorned with bands of granite for them to pull, revealing to them that it was connected to a volcano next to their capital city. Or I could simply erase their minds. All of the mentioned above are only a fracture of my ideas, and I believe I would find the most fitting ways to deal with this problem.
I would be pleased to do so, but I would be pleased even more if that nation was able to keep itself at bay without conquering the entire world."
Illiseth, I must admit I have some sympathy with Lauxal's cause. Even though I do not understand this insistence with secrecy, I understand her wish to avoid outside intervention, for the same reasons I had a conflict with Patronius."You are confusing intervention with observation, Lithus. Unless I am given a good reason, such as "doing so would kill them" or "doing so would uncover my secrets, lowering my standing among others" or some such, I will continue."
"The dwarves are not operating at their full potential."
I invest 3 Essence(not if it would cost Crux) into spreading ironworking and ironsmelting techniques amongst the dwarves(not Clan).
Try to see how far the Saplings have come in terms of technology and culture.
"They do know such, but they don't use it often compared to bronze. But there is a point to what you're saying."
Explain to Sankis the benefits of iron.
QuoteThey had discovered Iron long ago, but do not use it, feeling that it is inferior to their Bronze which they continue to develop.
(To dwarves)
It seems that you had found the begining of the way to complete your current chalenge, yet you moved away, tricked by its unasuming form. Iron is much the same as copper in that it marks a begining of a whole new age and that it is a base for stronger alloys. You have found one half of the puzzle, and for that I shall reward you, yet since the puzzle of steel is only halfway done, the reward will be lesser. Strive forever forwards!
Bless all my worshipers (curent and future) to become completely immune to all lung diseases that come from contamination of lungs. They would be immune to coal dust, silica dust, pumice, smoke, and all other things one could get lungs full of while mining or smithing. If they are sick from such causes now, they would heal over a day. Should one healed from otherwise permanent disease this way stop worshiping me, the disease would gradualy return over a month. Dwarves recieve this blessing irregardles wether they worship me or not.
I agree.Try to see how far the Saplings have come in terms of technology and culture.
((Actually, I should do that too. I'm playing as the god of progress after all.))
Determine how advanced the Aag nation is, compare them to every other civilization.
((I might have forgotten to mention that the Saag and Yaag are meant to be silicon based like the Maag are, which would in theory make them mostly fireproof. Do I need to pay to make them like that if they aren't already?))
If they aren't already, and stirk doesn't let me do it for free, make the Saag and Yaag silicon based instead of carbon based, just like the Maag. This process will not alter their mind or body shape, and change them as little as possible, excluding the fireproofing and heat resistance. Make it so this process is not lethal or painful. Those affected should not feel any different, other than receiving the benefits mentioned earlier.
Uztot/Azem, would you be against me changing the Kaag's carbon base with a silicon one? They would be more similar to the other Aag species this way, which would potentially help calm their apparent fear of not fitting with the rest of the society. This change would only result in giving them an increased heat resistance and render them fireproof.
If Uztot/Azem agrees, change the Kaag's carbon base with a silicon one, with the same effects described in the process with the other Aag species.
More actions because I apparently have a buttload of Essence.(Be careful. Stirk said that there were a few glaring problems with the calculations. You might have less than you think.)
More actions because I apparently have a buttload of Essence.(Be careful. Stirk said that there were a few glaring problems with the calculations. You might have less than you think.)
More actions because I apparently have a buttload of Essence.
(Also, this is the IC thread.))
(Also, this is the IC thread.))
((By the way is this dead? There haven't been anything going on in days.))
(A quick search reveals the only references to the goddess of souls being creepy does not come from mortals. It comes from Stirk being...Stirk.)
"Hm. Perhaps Sankis..."
Could use a gift. A very powerful gift. Invest all my remaining essence(don't touch my crux unless necessary, and don't use more than 3 crux even if necessary) into an Amulet. Forged of steel in the shape of a gear, the Amulet bolsters the engineering and mechanics creativity of whoever wears it by a large degree. If anyone tries to steal it from the rightful owner(Sankis), flames engulf the thief. The amulet is very resistant to damage, and if it is somehow destroyed, a rather large explosion will follow. Grant the newly named Amulet of Invention to Sankis.
Speak to Sankis: "Thank you for remaining devout to me. As your reward... I have decided to create an order of Machine Priests. You will be the first, and the High Priest. Your goal will be to spread the techniques of engineering, mechanics, architecture, and in general, mechanical technology, among the dwarves and those friendly to the dwarven race. As a symbol of your High Priesthood, take this Amulet of Invention. It will boost your creativity to allow you to make new and interesting machines. When you wish to ordain a Machine Priest to aid in your mission, make an amulet of steel in the shape of a gear and grant it to the newly ordained. These amulets are the symbols of my Machine Priesthood. Again, thank you for staying with your faith in me."
"I would prefer that, yes."
(I'm a bit confused. Why is Lithus/Luthus angry at Frederick now?)
What is this? Another God noticed that the new kingdom is a thinly veiled atempt to raise one God above all others globaly? And there I was thinking that I would need to ruin the kingdom covertly.
Turn metal equipment New Kingdom army has into brittle ore durning their next large scale battle. 6 power.
((he joined the new kingdom in a war against the Aag nation.))(Actually it was the New Kingdom that joined the war against the Aag nation. They stopped attacking the Great Tribe to do so. I believe they're helping the CRD but I'm not sure.)
"...Gai-gen....I have a request to ask of you...you may find it intriguing as well...I wish to create a race of beings...of clockwork and automation...grand towers growing and replicating...their inner gears revealing much to those who wish to learn...they would require an intricate knowledge of physics, and the principles of motion...I believe your aid would be very helpful in this matter for that reason..."
"...Gai-gen...could I ask for your aid with something...?...I wish to create a race of machines...magnificent towers which build themselves...and it would be easier with your assistance..."
Human Tribesman: But animals don't seem to talk. I will be sure to inform my Leader of the biting thing.mfw I meant ask the Nomads, not the animals...
Cancel my declaration of war against the great tribe/human kingdom (what's the real name anyways? I've seen both being used)(There are two different nations: the Great Tribe and the New Kingdom.
"Explain. Explain! EXPLAIN! Er... what in blazes are you doing?"
"...Gai-gen....I have a request to ask of you...you may find it intriguing as well...I wish to create a race of beings...of clockwork and automation...grand towers growing and replicating...their inner gears revealing much to those who wish to learn...they would require an intricate knowledge of physics, and the principles of motion...I believe your aid would be very helpful in this matter for that reason...""...Gai-gen...could I ask for your aid with something...?...I wish to create a race of machines...magnificent towers which build themselves...and it would be easier with your assistance..."
"...Though, now I seek to create a different sort of automaton as well...to guard my followers and their Great Trees...if I might...but it is simply a query...you have no obligation to assist me, after all...I am certain you are likely busy with your own projects...I simply thought it prudent to ask...just to be certain..."
mfw I meant ask the Nomads, not the animals...
Cancel my declaration of war against the great tribe/human kingdom (what's the real name anyways? I've seen both being used)(There are two different nations: the Great Tribe and the New Kingdom.
The Great Tribe is a nation of Humans ruled by a Human called Frederick and created by Patronius.
The New Kingdom is a kingdom made up of multiple different races. The ruler is a Human who has not revealed his name and the creator of this nation is unknown, though it's suspected that Mavnon was the one.)
Automatons? You have me interested. Would it be possible in any way that a few of these specimen's carcasses fall under the expertise of some skilled Aag dissector?
Floating Island Human: I was whisked away to a place where there is no beautiful Wolflife to gaze at, to hunt, or to play with! Can you bring some species to these floating Islands?"Here you go~." One power to teleport wolvies and related wildlife to the floating islands.
dANTcer: I want to dance to this new music, but my body is no good at it! Can I have assistance Nilva?((See PM)
Great Tribe Guardsman: What is that strange chanting I hear coming from the Nomad Camps?"..I honestly haven't the faintest idea. I shall check on that for you." Nilva investigates the chanting.
Nighttime Human Minstrel: No, I have great ear for pitch. They are toneless!"No, you really have a terrible ear for pitch. Quite deaf to it actually. Let me help." One Essence to give the minstrel the ability to actually Hear the emotions behind the howls. The stories and songs and tales hidden within.
Nomadic Nomad: That didn't work for the group that went into the New Kingdom! They where all killed or absorbed!"Then absorb the vegetation for use as additional mass. Seep through their armor and consume their bodies. Again, they can literally do nothing to harm you." ((See PM.))
The Maag clothier once again adds googly eyes, still angry over being bothered.One power to flood the Clothier's bedroom with goggly eyes and keep it flooded until he stops doing that, just start it up again when he tries again~
Space Weaver Clothier: How do those Nomads keep getting a hold of Space Weaver silk?"Probably a nomadic Space Weaver."
(I'm a bit confused. Why is Lithus/Luthus angry at Frederick now?)((he joined the new kingdom in a war against the Aag nation.))What is this? Another God noticed that the new kingdom is a thinly veiled atempt to raise one God above all others globaly? And there I was thinking that I would need to ruin the kingdom covertly.
Turn metal equipment New Kingdom army has into brittle ore durning their next large scale battle. 6 power.
It would be kind of you to notify all of us when you uncover such a plot in the future. I am glad to see your support, though.
So at this point we all know that mavnon,with the support of patronius areis working on destroying everything we created, fortheirhis own personal gain. Should a punishment be devised forthem, just as we did to Utther when he did his slaughter?Theirthis crime is worse by a large magnitude.
...Thesethis vile beingsdisgust me. Ruining everything for a little fragment of power and wealth.TheyHe do not deserve the power they own, they are too selfish, greedy and immature for the responsibilities it implies.
The worship ofpatroniusand mavnonareis now outlawed in the Aag territory, and is unlikely to change, at least for a while.Both of these deitiesThis deity deserve nothing from the nation, astheyhe want nothing but the suffering and misery of it. Temple dedicated toeither of thosehim are to be closed and repurposed, andtheirhis worshipers have the choice to abandon them or to leave the nation. Worship ofeither of thesehim is to be outlawed.Aurorsand clam rilem dwarves who commit any crime will now be punished by exile from the nation. This does not mean that discrimination should be allowed against those who follow the law. Those who don't will no longer be there. The crime lord, if he is found, is to be publicly executed, along with all of those found guilty of helping him in his crimes. An offer is to be made to anyone who works for him: Giving information that will help with his capture in exchange of pardon and protection from his minions.
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snipCreate a new obelisk somewhere near the Aag capital, it will record my debate with mavnon without any alteration, also including my initial accusation, along with his first response. Bring this obelisk to the attention of historians and the public in general.
"Once again up for a bit of combat sister? I shall of course test you."
Mavnon materialised a pair of chackram and charged forward.
Space Weaver Frontiersman: Space- Should we weave it in the frontiers of this world or in well-established towns?
Space Weaver Clothier: How do those Nomads keep getting a hold of Space Weaver silk?
Scared Space Weaver: I-I just had a dream where I wove silk that started chasing me and trying to strangle me like a noose. Th-that won't happen in real life, right? Right?
"None of my nomads are bandits. They don't need to be, they have the abilities to make whatever they want with minimal effort. If you want an example of a bandit, look at the Orc Warhosts. The most likely cause of it is a nomadic Weaver."QuoteSpace Weaver Frontiersman: Space- Should we weave it in the frontiers of this world or in well-established towns?
Space Weaver Clothier: How do those Nomads keep getting a hold of Space Weaver silk?
Scared Space Weaver: I-I just had a dream where I wove silk that started chasing me and trying to strangle me like a noose. Th-that won't happen in real life, right? Right?
1. You shall search for two individual weavers. One in love with the wilderness who can protect it and live with it. The other a grand townsman who knows the laws of the city. These two are to be trained by you and once they reach the maturity you deem fit, they shall create two clans. One clan is devoted to spinning new space into the citys we already dwell in, using their knowledge on architecture, ethics, and creativity to create more harmony and unity in the city. This clan is known as The Clan of Harmony. The other clan shall be living in the wilderness, especially within close range to cities of space weavers, they are to create more space into the landscape, making it more complicated to travel, for non space taught beings. There they shall tame the beasts that roam and live in harmony with the flora and fauna. This clan shall be known as The Clan of Riddling Rooms Bless him with good charisma and structured thinking while also boosting his creativity
2. The Nomads probably trade with other space weavers, and some of them are bandits, therefore I must say, you should try taking diplomatic missions up with them. Use Crux to give him a big amount of wealth, based on the currency system where he dwells
3. You shall watch this dream and look for clues if it rings true. Choose questioning space weavers and teach them to look for these cluesGrant him immortality
Well if none of your nomads are bandits I think nothing will go wrong and diplomatic friendships will be drawn."Correct. Although I am not quite sure how many of them are house trained. Hopefully they don't take a piss in the flowerpots anywhere."
Uztot takes the form of a Kaag covered in red war paint. Or possibly blood. His staff turns into a spear.
"Come children. The forces of Conflict are no match for our strength, our purpose."
Uztot uses all his Power to bless the Aag soldiers with solidarity.
(Hey Farg, could you draw Uztot in war form?)
Also... spend 4 Power on locating Utther, unless it would draw from my Crux.(It may be better to say "spend up to 4 Power" just in case it's cheaper. If it's like Ye Gods, doing this would be a free action unless he's using magic to hide himself.)
"Oh. I have realized that you exist. Perhaps after the next tick I will aid you with your project. But for now I have my own objectives.""...Gai-gen....I have a request to ask of you...you may find it intriguing as well...I wish to create a race of beings...of clockwork and automation...grand towers growing and replicating...their inner gears revealing much to those who wish to learn...they would require an intricate knowledge of physics, and the principles of motion...I believe your aid would be very helpful in this matter for that reason...""...Gai-gen...could I ask for your aid with something...?...I wish to create a race of machines...magnificent towers which build themselves...and it would be easier with your assistance..."
"...Though, now I seek to create a different sort of automaton as well...to guard my followers and their Great Trees...if I might...but it is simply a query...you have no obligation to assist me, after all...I am certain you are likely busy with your own projects...I simply thought it prudent to ask...just to be certain..."
Metal: 1-2E (Discounts included). You still need to teach them how to actually use it, this would only create the metal in the ground.
Good to see that you address all of my arguments, my fear came from the fact that others have avoided inconvenient arguments in the past. I will resume:
Change, I must agree this can be a good thing, sometimes necessary, but sometimes leading to a worse situation. We stopped the flood because of the potentially devastating effect of a large quantity of water in a region that require none to exist, along with the sunlight starvation that would occur to the population. The flood was seem as controversial, it killed innocents, but was also a good occasion for progress. War does not bring progress on it's own. Perhaps new and better weapons are devised, but they so not serve the population. Rather, they only allow for more to be killed by both sides. Centralization is a debatable thing. Of course a centralized power is much stronger and can achieve much more, but it is also so much easier to corrupt, to lead to tyranny, I only support centralization when there are mechanisms to weed out the corruption and tyrants.
Conflict on it's own is not a bad thing, it sometimes lead to great innovations. My problem with your means is that you bring it in ways that do not benefit anyone, and cause needless harm, leading to my next point.
Yes, I do believe war is the most cruel form of conflict. I do not see a group of assassins murdering anyone they feel like killing as a form of conflict. There is indeed a great distinction between your aspect and senseless slaughter, distinction I would hope to see you put more emphasis on. I must agree that slaves fighting each other for small privileges is a cruel fate, but unlike war, it does not necessarily imply senseless slaughter.
((Yeah, what I meant is that mavnon pretend to be tolerant by not excluding Aag people only to distract from the fact that he(or she?) is causing a slaughter by sending the new kingdom against their nation at the same time. I'll wait for your response on this for my rebuttal))
Of couse, the winner benefits, but you are not allowing equal forces to compete, you claim you would have supported the humans had they won against the clan rilem, but we both know it would've required a miracle to allow a few disorganized tribes to win against an organized empire. The new kingdom is the same, a massive kingdom bullying smaller nations. You only side with improvement when you are the one who benefit from it.
Opposing the cruelty of gods through revolution is indeed a cause I would sympathize with, as evidenced by my multiple attempts at opening a peaceful dialogue with the new kingdom and my earlier opposition to their direct extermination. Only we both know that this is not what is truly happening. We all know that this is all a puppet show, the king is a marionette, the people are manipulated. They are directly working for you, while claiming they are against you. The fact that the only civilizations they are at peace with are those under you and your ally's control is yet another proof of this scheme. You fool no one there.
Your turn. I believe you can still be a benevolent being for these worlds, but that you are wrong with your means. I would not be debating you if I saw you as a lost cause, but I can still not see the manipulation of the new kingdom as anything else than a cruel and selfish act. Not the fact that you rule them, but the fact that you lie to them, make them believe they are fighting the same evil you sadly represent today.
"...forgive me for intruding, Mavnon...but I must ask...why do you find a centralisation of power...to be a good thing...?...does that not result in reduced competition...?...Conflict turned petty, between neighboring nobles for wealth...rather than cultural arms races between neighboring countries..."
"...perhaps I simply see Conflict differently...slavery does not seem to be conflict...surely, there is...but only during rebellions...assassins kill, but it is one-sided...it does not seem very much like conflict...unless there were some other society dedicated to combating them..."
"...do not misunderstand, Mavnon...I would rather remain on good terms with you...but the Aag are trading partners of my Saplings...and Liuthus, a member of my pantheon...I will not ask you to end the war...I will simply ask you not to hold it against me...when I side with your foe...I prefer to keep my word...and part of that means supporting Liuthus in this time of trouble...and remember...a prolonged war benefits no one...not even the winners...in any case, however...I will ask that we might remain friends...if I might be allowed to consider you that...even if we must be at odds...if that is alright...with you, of course...?"
I must agree, that there is indeed something... Not artistic, but similar... like a dance, about war. The reason why I hate it is because of all the death and suffering it implies. If only such a thing could be made without having any blood spilled. Perhaps a dimension, where soldiers come back to life after dying, and are exempt from suffering, a place where conflicts are resolved without leading to needless wastes. Or perhaps a voluntary cold war, along with an arm race? Scientists from both nations would strive to find as much alternative use to each things discovered while devising new weapons. A friendly competition, perhaps. With the goal of being the best at bettering the live of their people, instead of killing as much of the other's population.snip
"From your point of view, the process of war and its consequences is horrid and without reason. To me, it is an artform. The marching of men in formation, fighting for causes close to their heart or far from it, ready to achieve their goals knowing full well they may die. I cannot expect you...to understand why I find war so thrilling but in any case, that is not the point. War leads to innovation; it forces the combatants to innovate and change so that they may change and take victory. The humans now under Clan Rilem for example stood no chance at all; I agree. However, they had a chance to improve. True, by themselves they could not possibly do a thing, but had their compatriots aided them they could have fought back the invasion and humbled the Clan. They did not and subsequently, their descendants are now Rilem in body and soul."
"As for centralisation....it is a very debatable point, one I hope to test with my creations. Notice that the Clan is centralised under one rule and the Orcs are scattered as many tribes. Nothing is without purpose, brother."
"And my deities of twin-soul, I benefit in every situation. Clan Rilem's victory resulted in greater worship towards me in thanks and praise. A human victory would have resulted in a new pool of champions from which I could have extracted agents. Dear Illyria is one such example and she has served me well since."
"As for the New Kingdom...."Mavnon smiled as if thinking of a good joke, "....what would you say if all implications I had ever made towards controlling the Kingdom were just that, implications? Have you once asked the great lord that rules there that I, Mavnon, is his puppetmaster, his patron and creator? He would scoff at such notions and dismiss you. Of course, you would expect that from me. A lesson Lithus: the best lie is an implication of truth that while plausible, is still just an implication. It is far more believable than blatant ones, true? The obelisk keeper of yours will surely remember my old stories as a winged messenger who saved the worlds?"
(snip again)
"Mmmm...Mavnon...I believe you might overestimate...the desire of the defenders...to pay deference to you...should they succeed against the armies you have sent against them...but I wanted to say, Liuthus...that he has a point...necessity is the mother of invention...and war breeds necessity...it also uses up resources...able to be otherwise used to Grow...but nonetheless..."
"Mmmm...Mavnon...I believe you might overestimate...the desire of the defenders...to pay deference to you...should they succeed against the armies you have sent against them...but I wanted to say, Liuthus...that he has a point...necessity is the mother of invention...and war breeds necessity...it also uses up resources...able to be otherwise used to Grow...but nonetheless..."
Lauxal prayers:"Sure my child, is there anywhere in particular you want to visit?"
Wolf Spider: Hey, itsa me, on your head! Can we go visit the planet sometimes?
Shadow Kabold: If mortals can daydream, can we have a day nightmare?
Human Adventurer: Hah, these dungeon creatures are nothing on me! Lauxal, send stronger monsters!
"Perhaps I ought be clearer...or maybe I should not? Hmm...ah, yes. The rabbit, though hateful of the wolf, serves the wolf by devouring the homes of other prey.""Explain."
"Perhaps I ought be clearer...or maybe I should not? Hmm...ah, yes. The rabbit, though hateful of the wolf, serves the wolf by devouring the homes of other prey.""Rabbits don't exist anymore. They got eaten. As did almost every single other nonwolfbased species."
"The rabbit eats the undergrowth that hides other species from the wolf, ergo making it easier for the wolf to hunt."
"The rabbit eats the undergrowth that hides other species from the wolf, ergo making it easier for the wolf to hunt."
"... no. Just no. Wolves are larger than rabbits. What rabbits eat doesn't hide anything worth eating from the wolf."
"If they were consuming foliage that quickly...there would be enough rabbits that the wolf...would be well off enough for eating anyway...regardless...while manipulation is possible...it would be opposed by Iliseth...and likely opposed by the victors themselves...should they learn of it...and now, it is likely they will, given the gods' tendency to coddle their followers..."
((must've missed that one))
"Lithus, I have no quarrel with any singular race. That is very much beneath my and as such, I do not seek to impose punishment on them. The nation-state is an entity non-identical to the species and as such, I have no desire to unleash the Clan on non-combatants. Also, if I had truly sent the New Kingdom against the Aag, why have my creations and their allies not conquered the Aag yet? True, the Aag are formidable and their homeland is a difficult land to conquer, but the pressure of war from Clan Rilem, Great Tribe, Orcs and New Kingdom would unquestionably be enough to defeat the Aag defenders. No offense to those who are reading this, but even you must admit you could never hope to defeat such a force at the time of this speech. You saw what my Clan did to the minor human tribal entities. The strong defeated the weak. The Aag, though strong, are outnumbered by similarly strong forces."
"Now about war once more. I believe I understand the main contention here; you think the lives of mortals are precious, yes? I do not. Yes, to a mortal their temporary existence is important. They live lives full of emotion, ease, hardship and an innumerable other things....but they end all the same. And at that end is an Afterlife, an Afterlife created by a myriad of gods to cater to mortal souls. These afterlives, more often than not, are permanent, unchanging and full of happiness. As mortal life is ultimately temporary, I do believe that ending them and allowing their souls to enter the Heavens is not a 'waste', simply a consequence of some actions. You will not agree with me, I know, but that is how I see things."
"As for your suggestion about enclosed warfare...that to me seems pointless. There is no gain, no anxiety, no motivation to change. Yes, the combatants would have prestige, glory and perhaps even wealth, but there is only desire, no need. That kind of Conflict is...artificial, fake and pointless, only a step above the Chaos that I oppose. True, friendly competition can too lead to goodness, but hostile combat is also needed."
Mavnon smiled.
"I don't believe I can convince you that I do not control the New Kingdom but consider this; the flow of essence from my being has only been directed to the Orcs and Dwarves in recent centuries. You can see this for yourself in that Library one of our brethren created. If that is not proof enough, then suffice to say I would have to actually go to war simply because you seem to be engendered to the idea that we are already at war."
"And as interesting as creating two contrasting civilisations is, I do not have the time for such diversions as of late. My current experiments are of far too much importance.""Mmmm...Mavnon...I believe you might overestimate...the desire of the defenders...to pay deference to you...should they succeed against the armies you have sent against them...but I wanted to say, Liuthus...that he has a point...necessity is the mother of invention...and war breeds necessity...it also uses up resources...able to be otherwise used to Grow...but nonetheless..."
"Perhaps. But tell me, would a mortal refuse a boon, a reward for what they did? Could they? One needs not love his king to serve him, after all."
"A bush? Probably not. Thick, tall grass would work better."
((Now playing: spot the fallacy!))
"...so you speak of slavery, then...?...an unwilling mind is of little aid, Mavnon...especially one aided by a god..."
I did not imply that you were performing any kind of discrimination. My accusation is one of hypocrisy and manipulation towards my people.
You see life as worthless? No amount of argumentation will ever bring me close to understand how one could genuinely believe this, let alone let me be in accord with it. Our views are forever irreconcilable, never we will be able to live in perfect harmony. The best that could be achieved is mutual isolation.
Worthless? Meaningless? How can someone with such a view on mortal could ever hope to be genuinely worshiped? HAVE YOUR WORSHIPERS NO SENSE OF LOGIC? ARE YOU LYING TO THEM?
PATHETIC... HOW CAN ONE CREATE COMPLEX, INTELLIGENT LIFE, AND FEEL NOTHING BUT DISDAIN TOWARDS THEM?? OH RIGHT, YOU DID NOT CREATE ANYTHING, YOU ONLY MUTATED AN ALREADY EXISTING SPECIES TO SERVE YOUR TWISTED GOALS. NEVER IN YOUR EXISTENCE DID YOU DO ANYTHING CONSTRUCTIVE...
THE ONLY THING THAT MAKE US DIFFERENT FROM MORTALS IS THE AMOUNT OF POWER WE WIELD. THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION IS THAT YOU FEEL THE SAME TOWARDS US? ONLY A PSYCHOPATH CAN REASON LIKE THIS, ARE YOU A PSYCHOPATH, GOD OF DISDAIN AND BLOODBATHS?
DISGUSTING... PATHETIC... HOW CAN SUCH A VILE BEING EXIST? IS REALITY FUNDAMENTALLY WRONG? HOW ELSE COULD SUCH A THING EXIST, AND EVEN PROSPER???
MORTAL LIFE IS WORTH PROTECTING, HELPING AND CARING FOR. THEY BRING US THE CONSTANT GIFT OF WORSHIP. WASTING THEIR EXISTENCE FOR PATHETIC POWER GRABS IS AN INSULT TO ALL THAT EXISTS. EXISTENCE IS INSULTED BY YOUR MERE PRESENCE!
As Luthus, take the appearance of a black granite titan, a being five time the size of a Saag, with a face similar to Luthus' helmet, along with it's horns. Appear in this form in the largest battlefield between Aag and new kingdom. Summon a massive stone club, crush the enemy troops with it, leave no survivor. Scream this, loud enough to be heard from anywhere within range to see the titan:
I SHALL NO LONGER LET MY PEOPLE BE SLAUGHTERED BY YOU PATHETIC, BLOODTHIRSTY PSYCHOPATH! NONE OF THOSE WHO WANT TO SPREAD SUFFERING AND DESTRUCTION FOR THEIR OWN SAKE SHALL BE SPARED! SUPPORTERS OF MAVNON, KNOW THAT YOUR PATRON IS ONLY CAPABLE OF FEELING DISDAIN TOWARDS YOU. REPENT OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS!
Shout this, this time loud enough to be heard from the entire solar system, without harming or deafening anyone:
WORSHIPERS OF MAVNON, PEOPLE OF THE NEW KINGDOM! YOU ARE ALL FOOLED BY THIS ABOMINATION YOU CALL A GOD, THIS HORRENDOUS BEAST FEEL NOTHING BUT DISDAIN TOWARDS MORTALS, IMMORTALS AND GODS, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TOY, A PAWN FOR THIS DEMON, YOUR DEATH, YOUR SUFFERING MEAN NOTHING TO THIS BEAST, IT EVEN ENJOY THE PAIN IT INFLICTS TO ALL OF YOU THROUGH WARFARE AND DESTRUCTION!! NEW KINGDOM! EVEN THOUGH YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL FREE FROM GODS, YOU ARE A PAWN OF MAVNON'S SCHEME OF DESTRUCTION! REALIZE THIS, OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR INNOCENT VICTIMS!!
1E+3P: Stir up ciivil right movements in dwarven lands with the goal of eliminating the artificial race barrier between the Clan and Clanless Dwarves. [/b]
"I would like to mention that your "civil rights movements" are not desired by me. Clan dwarves and the first ones are different species. Nothing you can do can change that- oh wait."1E+3P: Stir up ciivil right movements in dwarven lands with the goal of eliminating the artificial race barrier between the Clan and Clanless Dwarves. [/b]
Mavon, my actions towards you and yours right now are purely out of eorry that you are doing something nasty and my ire towards you would end as soon as the godless kingdom does. If you proceed with this movement of yours, I might take it personaly and do something rash. Would you reconsider?
"I would like to mention that your "civil rights movements" are not desired by me. Clan dwarves and the first ones are different species. Nothing you can do can change that- oh wait."1E+3P: Stir up ciivil right movements in dwarven lands with the goal of eliminating the artificial race barrier between the Clan and Clanless Dwarves. [/b]
Mavon, my actions towards you and yours right now are purely out of eorry that you are doing something nasty and my ire towards you would end as soon as the godless kingdom does. If you proceed with this movement of yours, I might take it personaly and do something rash. Would you reconsider?
Shout this, this time loud enough to be heard from the entire solar system, without harming or deafening anyone:
WORSHIPERS OF MAVNON, PEOPLE OF THE NEW KINGDOM! YOU ARE ALL FOOLED BY THIS ABOMINATION YOU CALL A GOD, THIS HORRENDOUS BEAST FEEL NOTHING BUT DISDAIN TOWARDS MORTALS, IMMORTALS AND GODS, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TOY, A PAWN FOR THIS DEMON, YOUR DEATH, YOUR SUFFERING MEAN NOTHING TO THIS BEAST, IT EVEN ENJOY THE PAIN IT INFLICTS TO ALL OF YOU THROUGH WARFARE AND DESTRUCTION!! NEW KINGDOM! EVEN THOUGH YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL FREE FROM GODS, YOU ARE A PAWN OF MAVNON'S SCHEME OF DESTRUCTION! REALIZE THIS, OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR INNOCENT VICTIMS!!
Block the sound from all High Church land with up to 2P if it's enough. Otherwise, just focus the blocking on the Aspects and the Great Tribe. Don't want that shit in my lands.
This whole discussion was absurd. Let us look not at what is claimed, but rather at what is happening.
New kingdom (really needs a proper name) is conquering nearby lands, and enforcing a ban on worshiping any god.
Since they claim to not to be ruled by any god and do not target any one god specifically, they are left alone by most gods, since they just file them "Not my business" and focus on their own races and plots.
The activity New kingdom partakes most is war; most of their recourses are geared towards war, which allows them to conquer less warlike nations with ease.
What do we see from this? If we consider that there are more ways for a god to gain power than direct worship, the Godless kingdom is spreading conflict while banning all common worship. The only one who benefits from Godless kingdoms growth is Mavon, trading a bit of worship quality for exclusive influence. It matters not if he is pupeteering the king, the kingdom is Mavons handiwork, built with intention of pushing out other gods from the minds of mortals. It is a good plan since he is going to benefit doubly, no matter our actions. If we stay silent, he benefits from kingdoms existence. If we oppose, he benefits from ensuing conflict.
In short, this was an attempt far larger and far less concealed than Uthers to destroy what we built. I recommend the same treatment.
Shout this, this time loud enough to be heard from the entire solar system, without harming or deafening anyone:
WORSHIPERS OF MAVNON, PEOPLE OF THE NEW KINGDOM! YOU ARE ALL FOOLED BY THIS ABOMINATION YOU CALL A GOD, THIS HORRENDOUS BEAST FEEL NOTHING BUT DISDAIN TOWARDS MORTALS, IMMORTALS AND GODS, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TOY, A PAWN FOR THIS DEMON, YOUR DEATH, YOUR SUFFERING MEAN NOTHING TO THIS BEAST, IT EVEN ENJOY THE PAIN IT INFLICTS TO ALL OF YOU THROUGH WARFARE AND DESTRUCTION!! NEW KINGDOM! EVEN THOUGH YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL FREE FROM GODS, YOU ARE A PAWN OF MAVNON'S SCHEME OF DESTRUCTION! REALIZE THIS, OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR INNOCENT VICTIMS!!
Continue the destruction of any soldier from the new kingdom not smart enough to flee. Move to the closest battlefield once this one is done and resume the destruction. Do not chase those who run away from my range. Spare those who abandon mavnon or rebel against the new kingdom's false ideal.
As Lithus, help various people from the Aag kingdom to perform menial tasks, without stopping Luthus' rampage at the battlefield. Refuse to speak about Luthus' rampage or anything he says.
"Patronius, your concern is touching but focus on your own lands. I want my followers to hear this; its simply...delicious on how wrong Luthus is currently being."
In short, this was an attempt far larger and far less concealed than Uthers to destroy what we built. I recommend the same treatment.
"If you wanted normal dwarves you shouldn't have changed their skin color. Perhaps you could simply modify their genetics to become normal dwarves?""I would like to mention that your "civil rights movements" are not desired by me. Clan dwarves and the first ones are different species. Nothing you can do can change that- oh wait."1E+3P: Stir up ciivil right movements in dwarven lands with the goal of eliminating the artificial race barrier between the Clan and Clanless Dwarves. [/b]
Mavon, my actions towards you and yours right now are purely out of eorry that you are doing something nasty and my ire towards you would end as soon as the godless kingdom does. If you proceed with this movement of yours, I might take it personaly and do something rash. Would you reconsider?
"Different species? I scoff at that notion entirely. The only difference between a Rilem dwarf and a Clanless is phenotype; they are identical. When I forged them from my essence, I copied the dwarven genetics completely, only making modifications to phenotype and in most cases, these are but superficial. Indeed, the only difference is their views on alcohol and I assure you that is a cultural trait rather than genetic. Now tell me how and why promoting equality between the dwarven races is a bad thing. I have already tried to reach out diplomatically to the other Dwarves and seen my embassies rebuffed as non-dwarven. Do you know how insulting that is? To me? My children? And only because of the colour of their skin and shape of their eyes?"
Shout at the entire solar system again, without harming or deafening anyone, and without stopping the rampage.
VILE DEMON, NEVER DARE TO CALL ME BROTHER AGAIN, I AM YOUR ANTITHESIS!
FIGHTING FOR YOUR PEOPLE IS INSANITY? MORE PROOF OF YOUR CALLOUS DISREGARD FOR ALL THAT EXISTS! PATRONIUS, YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THIS DEMON. PRINCE OF COWARDS, YOU HIDE BEHIND THIS FOUL BEAST! SLAVES OF THE GREEDY GOD, YOUR PATRON IS A CANCER TO REALITY!
NONE OF YOU TWO SHALL EVER HELP YOUR PEOPLE. NO, YOU WOULD NEED TO CARE, TO HAVE A OUNCE OF EMPATHY FOR THAT! HOW CAN ANYONE BUT THE MOST TWISTED LEECHES THAT PLAGUE THIS WORLD WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU TWO? PEOPLE OF THE CLAN RILEM, YOUR PATRON WILL NEVER COME TO YOUR HELP, HE ADMITTED IT HIMSELF! REBEL FROM YOUR TYRANT, FOR HE WILL NEVER GIVE ANYTHING IN RETURN FOR YOUR DEVOTION! PEOPLE OF THE GREAT TRIBE, REBEL AGAINST YOUR PATRON GOD, FOR HE SHALL GIVE YOU NOTHING BUT DICTATORS!
Use all of my remaining power to empower this message, allowing it to break through any form of resistance and have an increased effect on those who hear it.
(I canceled my previous expense to do this instead.)
Had you actually listened you'd had noticed I used the word RECCOMEND. Not order to, not I'll do so, did not even make any demands or proclaim any ultimatums. It is an action that would require agreement of several gods. I did not recommend death or any more severe punishment either. It is a decision left to other deities. Hardly something that I would need were I the king of gods. Your rather violent reaction almost makes me think that you may be involved somewhat in this whole mess. Wouldn't be surprising really, considering that the only nations which are not at war with Godless kingdom are yours and Mavons.In short, this was an attempt far larger and far less concealed than Uthers to destroy what we built. I recommend the same treatment.
"Who made you King of the Gods? Did I miss the briefing?"
"You will do this over your dead body. You have no right, without proper evidence or trial, to imprison Mavnon. You will meet my full wrath if you continue to make these claims, demands, and/or attempts."
The Godless kingdom certainly did not start on its own. It would make no sense for such kingdom to arise, not only most Gods had been rather nice to mortals, most if not all leaders have been blessed in one way or another. You, Mavon, are the only one who benefits, with all the other gods losing, there is no way..."I sent a minion of sorts to look for Utther, but it failed. It seems clear to me that Utther, while probably not a full-fledged god right now, may in fact have some of his power back if he was able to hide from it. As a mortal, it shouldn't have been possible for him to evade it. Next tick I will use some Power to search for him."
Uther. The banished god. It might be his handiwork. To gain revenge on those who cast him down. Hmm. He should have all of his powers sealed though. He might have gained help from somewhere though.
Situation still points at you, Mavon, as the most likely instigator. Leaving clan Rilem alone is unlike the behavior of the kingdom. You wanting to end whatever conflict remains between Rilem and Dwarven nations is also strange. Benefit of the doubt will keep me from nailing you to a rock and throwing the rock into the sun but I still can't trust you enough to allow you to meddle with my creations.Had you actually listened you'd had noticed I used the word RECCOMEND. Not order to, not I'll do so, did not even make any demands or proclaim any ultimatums. It is an action that would require agreement of several gods. I did not recommend death or any more severe punishment either. It is a decision left to other deities. Hardly something that I would need were I the king of gods. Your rather violent reaction almost makes me think that you may be involved somewhat in this whole mess. Wouldn't be surprising really, considering that the only nations which are not at war with Godless kingdom are yours and Mavons.In short, this was an attempt far larger and far less concealed than Uthers to destroy what we built. I recommend the same treatment.
"Who made you King of the Gods? Did I miss the briefing?"
"You will do this over your dead body. You have no right, without proper evidence or trial, to imprison Mavnon. You will meet my full wrath if you continue to make these claims, demands, and/or attempts."
And seal would have a use whether Mavon is guilty or not. It would either cut off the tyrant from his fresh supply of war or would remove an innocent from the list of suspects.
"If you wanted normal dwarves you shouldn't have changed their skin color. Perhaps you could simply modify their genetics to become normal dwarves?""I would like to mention that your "civil rights movements" are not desired by me. Clan dwarves and the first ones are different species. Nothing you can do can change that- oh wait."1E+3P: Stir up ciivil right movements in dwarven lands with the goal of eliminating the artificial race barrier between the Clan and Clanless Dwarves. [/b]
Mavon, my actions towards you and yours right now are purely out of eorry that you are doing something nasty and my ire towards you would end as soon as the godless kingdom does. If you proceed with this movement of yours, I might take it personaly and do something rash. Would you reconsider?
"Different species? I scoff at that notion entirely. The only difference between a Rilem dwarf and a Clanless is phenotype; they are identical. When I forged them from my essence, I copied the dwarven genetics completely, only making modifications to phenotype and in most cases, these are but superficial. Indeed, the only difference is their views on alcohol and I assure you that is a cultural trait rather than genetic. Now tell me how and why promoting equality between the dwarven races is a bad thing. I have already tried to reach out diplomatically to the other Dwarves and seen my embassies rebuffed as non-dwarven. Do you know how insulting that is? To me? My children? And only because of the colour of their skin and shape of their eyes?"
The Godless kingdom certainly did not start on its own. It would make no sense for such kingdom to arise, not only most Gods had been rather nice to mortals, most if not all leaders have been blessed in one way or another. You, Mavon, are the only one who benefits, with all the other gods losing, there is no way...
Uther. The banished god. It might be his handiwork. To gain revenge on those who cast him down. Hmm. He should have all of his powers sealed though. He might have gained help from somewhere though.
Situation still points at you, Mavon, as the most likely instigator. Leaving clan Rilem alone is unlike the behavior of the kingdom. You wanting to end whatever conflict remains between Rilem and Dwarven nations is also strange. Benefit of the doubt will keep me from nailing you to a rock and throwing the rock into the sun but I still can't trust you enough to allow you to meddle with my creations.Had you actually listened you'd had noticed I used the word RECCOMEND. Not order to, not I'll do so, did not even make any demands or proclaim any ultimatums. It is an action that would require agreement of several gods. I did not recommend death or any more severe punishment either. It is a decision left to other deities. Hardly something that I would need were I the king of gods. Your rather violent reaction almost makes me think that you may be involved somewhat in this whole mess. Wouldn't be surprising really, considering that the only nations which are not at war with Godless kingdom are yours and Mavons.In short, this was an attempt far larger and far less concealed than Uthers to destroy what we built. I recommend the same treatment.
"Who made you King of the Gods? Did I miss the briefing?"
"You will do this over your dead body. You have no right, without proper evidence or trial, to imprison Mavnon. You will meet my full wrath if you continue to make these claims, demands, and/or attempts."
And seal would have a use whether Mavon is guilty or not. It would either cut off the tyrant from his fresh supply of war or would remove an innocent from the list of suspects.
Shout at the entire solar system again, without harming or deafening anyone, and without stopping the rampage.Once, again replying. "Oh? I do not recall stating that I would not help the Clan; they have proven themselves strong of heart and mind. . My dwarves of Rilem, you may leave my worship if you wish for that is your choice but know that I shall always support those who folloe my command."
VILE DEMON, NEVER DARE TO CALL ME BROTHER AGAIN, I AM YOUR ANTITHESIS!
FIGHTING FOR YOUR PEOPLE IS INSANITY? MORE PROOF OF YOUR CALLOUS DISREGARD FOR ALL THAT EXISTS! PATRONIUS, YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THIS DEMON. PRINCE OF COWARDS, YOU HIDE BEHIND THIS FOUL BEAST! SLAVES OF THE GREEDY GOD, YOUR PATRON IS A CANCER TO REALITY!
NONE OF YOU TWO SHALL EVER HELP YOUR PEOPLE. NO, YOU WOULD NEED TO CARE, TO HAVE A OUNCE OF EMPATHY FOR THAT! HOW CAN ANYONE BUT THE MOST TWISTED LEECHES THAT PLAGUE THIS WORLD WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU TWO? PEOPLE OF THE CLAN RILEM, YOUR PATRON WILL NEVER COME TO YOUR HELP, HE ADMITTED IT HIMSELF! REBEL FROM YOUR TYRANT, FOR HE WILL NEVER GIVE ANYTHING IN RETURN FOR YOUR DEVOTION! PEOPLE OF THE GREAT TRIBE, REBEL AGAINST YOUR PATRON GOD, FOR HE SHALL GIVE YOU NOTHING BUT DICTATORS!
Use all of my remaining power to empower this message, allowing it to break through any form of resistance and have an increased effect on those who hear it.
(I canceled my previous expense to do this instead.)
"Suppose all humans had dark complexion when they were created. A few thousand years later, some god creates a new group of light colored humans. How would the dark humans react to the light humans?""If you wanted normal dwarves you shouldn't have changed their skin color. Perhaps you could simply modify their genetics to become normal dwarves?""I would like to mention that your "civil rights movements" are not desired by me. Clan dwarves and the first ones are different species. Nothing you can do can change that- oh wait."1E+3P: Stir up ciivil right movements in dwarven lands with the goal of eliminating the artificial race barrier between the Clan and Clanless Dwarves. [/b]
Mavon, my actions towards you and yours right now are purely out of eorry that you are doing something nasty and my ire towards you would end as soon as the godless kingdom does. If you proceed with this movement of yours, I might take it personaly and do something rash. Would you reconsider?
"Different species? I scoff at that notion entirely. The only difference between a Rilem dwarf and a Clanless is phenotype; they are identical. When I forged them from my essence, I copied the dwarven genetics completely, only making modifications to phenotype and in most cases, these are but superficial. Indeed, the only difference is their views on alcohol and I assure you that is a cultural trait rather than genetic. Now tell me how and why promoting equality between the dwarven races is a bad thing. I have already tried to reach out diplomatically to the other Dwarves and seen my embassies rebuffed as non-dwarven. Do you know how insulting that is? To me? My children? And only because of the colour of their skin and shape of their eyes?"
"That is like saying a human of light complexion is not human, brother."
Laughing.
"Species...meaningless to intelligent creatures...it is culture...ideals, values...these are the things that matter to any race that wishes to call itself civilized... appearances may be overlooked...or become accustomed to... but culture is what divides... or unites... do not pretend to desire this merely out of the goodness of your heart, Mavnon...I will not blame you for it, but come now...it is clear that culture is the very reason you desire this unification... you wish to spread your ideals and influence to dwarves not of Clan Rilem..."
Lithus appears where the gods are debating. Glowing, blood red eyes, his labcoat missing and is with a neutral expression that is barely hiding a torrent of hatred. Luthus is still slaughtering his opponents on the battlefield. Lithus' message is clam, yet denote an obvious underlying rage, and is heard by the entire solar system.
Lies. All lies. Nothing but lies. Do you seriously believe anyone here is fooled by them?
I have no control over my twin. Even if I had any, it would be extremely unlikely for me to do anything to stop him.
Wasting lives is the vilest act that may ever exist. Souls have no impact on reality, they do not deserve any special privilege over mortals, mavnon. You say that you care for them only as a damage control measure, to give the impression that you care for something. Your choice on them was obvious, as saying that you believe they are important gives you no responsibility, and they can do nothing to interfere with your plans.
I came here because I could not resist the urge to stop your shower of lies, my twin is not in a state to do so.
Patronius, your involvement in this is so painfully obvious, why do you even bother to play mavon's act? As I said, Luthus is beyond any control. He is a hurricane, one unleashed by mavnon, you simply pay the price of helping this demon unleash it.
Utther, if he is involved in this in any way, is most certainly able to do so with the help of these two rats. They are of the same kind, a disease to all that was created, without their help of course. They are leeches on this reality, the sooner everyone realize this, the sooner we will be able to make the universe a better place. They are no different than the beasts that are driven out to allow civilizations to prosper, their elimination is merely a step of progress. A step that begins by abandoning them.
"My "involvement"? My "helping this demon?" I haven't aided Mavnon in any of his private affairs; what he does on his own time is his own concern. I also have no hand in any of this; I simply will not allow a God in the High Church to be "locked" in mortal form by a handful of angry deities. Now you will bite your tongue and apologize unless you wish to make an enemy of me."
There are no real hostilities between Rilem and Dwarven clans. What is thought of them differentiates from dwarf to dwarf, and while there are some who hate them there are also some who think of them as comrades. They are exactly that - another clan. Rivals in peacetimes, potential allies in wartime. Yes there is cultural division, but I'd be willing o wager that greater part of the division hinges on how extremely abstinential Rilem are when it comes to alcohol.
[chuckles]
Make you an enemy? we have always been enemies. Our existence is mutually exclusive, we are polar opposites. This "peace" between the two of us is merely a pause for what will inevitably come another day. You see life as being only an occasion to amass everything, to gain power at the expense of others, hence why you naturally befriended mavnon. You are both the same. The truth is different, there is no better use for life than to help others, to make the universe a better place. Since you and your ally will never understand this, you will never be of any use to anyone.
...It seems that whatever process is behind our creation is flawed. It needs to expel garbage, wastes from the creation of regular gods. These trashes come to a life of their own, claim to be gods and attempt to usurp their creation, as they lack the ability to create anything on their own. An interesting theory, I will make sure to discuss it with my scholars.
Mavnon, you show no emotions because you are unable to have any. Of course you believe the body to be pointless, this is the only way you could ever justify your crimes. But this is fine, not everyone is born normal, have you ever considered seeking the help of one of my psychologists? They can do wonders, I assure you.
Uztot shakes his head, looking sad and slightly ill. He vanishes from the company of gods and decends to the mortal realm, seeking the company of a group of mortal children.
"Then we must continue to be opposed on this matter. I can understand your fears, but I cannot relent. At least you retain your calm when discussing such things and I do hope we can collaborate in other matters.""Calm will remain unless you directly attack another god. Or do something very stupid."
"I spoke of culture...partially because you mentioned...the rebuffs said that it was not dwarven...to me, this appears cultural...rather than a matter of species...Clan Rilem is not traditionally dwarven...and it is for that reason they are hostile...because their cultures are so different...color may factor into it...but it is not the whole of the matter."Laughing.
"Species...meaningless to intelligent creatures...it is culture...ideals, values...these are the things that matter to any race that wishes to call itself civilized... appearances may be overlooked...or become accustomed to... but culture is what divides... or unites... do not pretend to desire this merely out of the goodness of your heart, Mavnon...I will not blame you for it, but come now...it is clear that culture is the very reason you desire this unification... you wish to spread your ideals and influence to dwarves not of Clan Rilem..."
Mavnon sighed. "I do not expect you to believe the Liar when she tells the Truth, but my goal is not that. True, I have sent missionaries to the Dwarven Lands. True, I would desire more to follow my philosophy. But you must understand that this conflict of mere color disgusts me. It is...pointless. I do not expect a deity who focuses on plant life to understand why exactly I would do this, but think of all the greatness that could be achieved if only the dwarves had no barriers of colour..."
"...And when have I ever stated that culture was not important? When have I sought to subvert the dwarven culture, their way of life? No, I simply want relations between the dwarven groups to be that of camaraderie rather than the hostility as they are now. That is my goal with the dwarves, and currently my only goal with them."
[Battle]
Reside in my afterlife when not doing actions that require me to leave it. Set it to harm unwelcome intruders. (That means continue allowing mortal souls in.)
((Am I doing it right?))
((Am I supposed to wait for the next battle tick to respond to skolld's action?))
[BATTLE!]
As Luthus, take the appearance of a black granite titan, a being five time the size of a Saag, with a face similar to Luthus' helmet, along with it's horns. Appear in this form in the largest battlefield between Aag and new kingdom. Summon a massive stone club, crush the enemy troops with it, leave no survivor. Scream this, loud enough to be heard from anywhere within range to see the titan, without harming or deafening anyone:
I SHALL NO LONGER LET MY PEOPLE BE SLAUGHTERED BY YOU PATHETIC, BLOODTHIRSTY PSYCHOPATH! NONE OF THOSE WHO WANT TO SPREAD SUFFERING AND DESTRUCTION FOR THEIR OWN SAKE SHALL BE SPARED! SUPPORTERS OF MAVNON, KNOW THAT YOUR PATRON IS ONLY CAPABLE OF FEELING DISDAIN TOWARDS YOU. REPENT OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS!
Shout this, this time loud enough to be heard from the entire solar system, without harming or deafening anyone:
WORSHIPERS OF MAVNON, PEOPLE OF THE NEW KINGDOM! YOU ARE ALL FOOLED BY THIS ABOMINATION YOU CALL A GOD, THIS HORRENDOUS BEAST FEEL NOTHING BUT DISDAIN TOWARDS MORTALS, IMMORTALS AND GODS, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TOY, A PAWN FOR THIS DEMON, YOUR DEATH, YOUR SUFFERING MEAN NOTHING TO THIS BEAST, IT EVEN ENJOY THE PAIN IT INFLICTS TO ALL OF YOU THROUGH WARFARE AND DESTRUCTION!! NEW KINGDOM! EVEN THOUGH YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL FREE FROM GODS, YOU ARE A PAWN OF MAVNON'S SCHEME OF DESTRUCTION! REALIZE THIS, OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR INNOCENT VICTIMS!!
Continue the destruction of any soldier from the new kingdom not smart enough to flee. Move to the closest battlefield once this one is done and resume the destruction. Do not chase those who run away from my range. Spare those who abandon mavnon or rebel against the new kingdom's false ideal.
As Lithus, help various people from the Aag kingdom to perform menial tasks, without stopping Luthus' rampage at the battlefield. Refuse to speak about Luthus' rampage or anything he says.
Shout at the entire solar system again, without harming or deafening anyone, and without stopping the rampage.
VILE DEMON, NEVER DARE TO CALL ME BROTHER AGAIN, I AM YOUR ANTITHESIS!
FIGHTING FOR YOUR PEOPLE IS INSANITY? MORE PROOF OF YOUR CALLOUS DISREGARD FOR ALL THAT EXISTS! PATRONIUS, YOU ARE NO BETTER THAN THIS DEMON. PRINCE OF COWARDS, YOU HIDE BEHIND THIS FOUL BEAST! SLAVES OF THE GREEDY GOD, YOUR PATRON IS A CANCER TO REALITY!
NONE OF YOU TWO SHALL EVER HELP YOUR PEOPLE. NO, YOU WOULD NEED TO CARE, TO HAVE A OUNCE OF EMPATHY FOR THAT! HOW CAN ANYONE BUT THE MOST TWISTED LEECHES THAT PLAGUE THIS WORLD WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH YOU TWO? PEOPLE OF THE CLAN RILEM, YOUR PATRON WILL NEVER COME TO YOUR HELP, HE ADMITTED IT HIMSELF! REBEL FROM YOUR TYRANT, FOR HE WILL NEVER GIVE ANYTHING IN RETURN FOR YOUR DEVOTION! PEOPLE OF THE GREAT TRIBE, REBEL AGAINST YOUR PATRON GOD, FOR HE SHALL GIVE YOU NOTHING BUT DICTATORS!
Use all of my remaining power to empower this message, allowing it to break through any form of resistance and have an increased effect on those who hear it.
Lithus appears where the gods are debating. Glowing, blood red eyes, his labcoat missing and is with a neutral expression that is barely hiding a torrent of hatred. Luthus is still slaughtering his opponents on the battlefield. Lithus' message is clam, yet denote an obvious underlying rage, and is heard by the entire solar system.
Lies. All lies. Nothing but lies. Do you seriously believe anyone here is fooled by them?
I have no control over my twin. Even if I had any, it would be extremely unlikely for me to do anything to stop him.
Wasting lives is the vilest act that may ever exist. Souls have no impact on reality, they do not deserve any special privilege over mortals, mavnon. You say that you care for them only as a damage control measure, to give the impression that you care for something. Your choice on them was obvious, as saying that you believe they are important gives you no responsibility, and they can do nothing to interfere with your plans.
I came here because I could not resist the urge to stop your shower of lies, my twin is not in a state to do so.
Patronius, your involvement in this is so painfully obvious, why do you even bother to play mavon's act? As I said, Luthus is beyond any control. He is a hurricane, one unleashed by mavnon, you simply pay the price of helping this demon unleash it.
Utther, if he is involved in this in any way, is most certainly able to do so with the help of these two rats. They are of the same kind, a disease to all that was created, without their help of course. They are leeches on this reality, the sooner everyone realize this, the sooner we will be able to make the universe a better place. They are no different than the beasts that are driven out to allow civilizations to prosper, their elimination is merely a step of progress. A step that begins by abandoning them.
Disappear from the assembly. Inform the great council that immigration to the nation is to be outlawed, and that New kingdom lands bordering the desert are to be burned to the ground whenever they are conquered during the war, rendering the area unsuitable for life. Work is to be made to make the entire nation self-sustainable if it is not already and trade with outside nations is to be progressively diminished until it is nonexistent.
The cultural exchange with the clan rilem is to be ceased immediately. Any participant from the rilem clan found holding technological secrets or any piece of classified information is to be detained indefinitely and accused of spying and treason.
((Am I doing this right? Probably not.))
[Battle]
[Skolld, God of Binding and Bone]
Wolf Form
So there's a war going on.
((It's kinda hard not to notice the shouting titan.))
Skolld goes off to the battle area.
"It seems the other gods have gone mad in my absence."
Use the hitherto unused power to bind the granite titan in place.
"Patronius, do you still not allow me to attack those who you actively shield? Know that I am willing to heal or resurrect them if my attack is a success."
"I hope you will not consider this an act of aggression towards you, as I'd prefer to remain at peace with you. Nor will I join this battle against Mavnon as this came as a surprise to me and I had no time to prepare.""Patronius, do you still not allow me to attack those who you actively shield? Know that I am willing to heal or resurrect them if my attack is a success."
"Oh, you're fine. I mean, it is a battle after all. But ya, I would prefer none of my aspects being killed permanently; thanks for asking."
"I hope you will not consider this an act of aggression towards you, as I'd prefer to remain at peace with you. Nor will I join this battle against Mavnon as this came as a surprise to me and I had no time to prepare."
I fire a 100% amulet (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=151076.msg6320200#msg6320200) Soul blast at one of Patronius' shielded Aspects.
"Would it be considered non-hostile if I fired on an Aspect who has joined the battle?"
(Action edited.)"Would it be considered non-hostile if I fired on an Aspect who has joined the battle?"
"I suppose not. I mean, if you promised to rez/heal them, of course."
Order Illyria to establish a portal between the Rilem Mountainhome and the Divine Library. Dwarven scholars from the University are to ply it for information.
[Battle/but not only][Battle]
Order Illyria to establish a portal between the Rilem Mountainhome and the Divine Library. Dwarven scholars from the University are to ply it for information.
If I had biological organs to do so I would be frothing from rage right now. Whatever leevay as a benefit of doubt I had given you is now gone.
Use all of my essence to create a divinely enchanted halberd of mythril. Enchant it with all of my remaining power. Kill Illyria and the proced to hunt down as many of Mavons immortal creations as I can find. If I can find him, kill the King of New kingdom. Destroy as many immortals that would stand on the New kingdoms side as I can find.
[Battle/but not only][Battle]
Order Illyria to establish a portal between the Rilem Mountainhome and the Divine Library. Dwarven scholars from the University are to ply it for information.
If I had biological organs to do so I would be frothing from rage right now. Whatever leevay as a benefit of doubt I had given you is now gone.
Use all of my essence to create a divinely enchanted halberd of mythril. Enchant it with all of my remaining power. Kill Illyria and the proced to hunt down as many of Mavons immortal creations as I can find. If I can find him, kill the King of New kingdom. Destroy as many immortals that would stand on the New kingdoms side as I can find.
[Skolld, God of Binding and Bone]
If he comes into where the king is, bind him to the ground, as to not let him halt my cursing.
[Battle/but not only]
Order Illyria to establish a portal between the Rilem Mountainhome and the Divine Library. Dwarven scholars from the University are to ply it for information.
If I had biological organs to do so I would be frothing from rage right now. Whatever leevay as a benefit of doubt I had given you is now gone.
Use all of my essence to create a divinely enchanted halberd of mythril. Enchant it with all of my remaining power. Kill Illyria and the proced to hunt down as many of Mavons immortal creations as I can find. If I can find him, kill the King of New kingdom. Destroy as many immortals that would stand on the New kingdoms side as I can find.
[Battle/but not only]
Order Illyria to establish a portal between the Rilem Mountainhome and the Divine Library. Dwarven scholars from the University are to ply it for information.
If I had biological organs to do so I would be frothing from rage right now. Whatever leevay as a benefit of doubt I had given you is now gone.
Use all of my essence to create a divinely enchanted halberd of mythril. Enchant it with all of my remaining power. Kill Illyria and the proced to hunt down as many of Mavons immortal creations as I can find. If I can find him, kill the King of New kingdom. Destroy as many immortals that would stand on the New kingdoms side as I can find.
Delay murder of king until Skolld finds out that talking to king is useless
"This is hostile to me; cease your attempts to kill Illyria."
Protect Illyria with as much Power is necessary; dip into Crux if I have to.
((they also aren't fighting for the NK, but you wouldn't know that IC I guess))
Mavnon smiled. "Good luck with that brother; but it is a bad patron who does not protect his agents...but tell me; what wrong did I commit here?"
Cancel all essence-using actions performed this turn. Create the Blade of Light using all my essence save 1 and enchant it with all remaining power. It is composed of pure light in Mavnon's hands. It shields those surrounding the bearer with pure light and is especially deadly to beings composed of essence. The rallying effect only works on those friendly to the bearer. Only Mavnon may use it to its full effect; it is a normal steel blade otherwise.
Use it to prevent the enemy god from killing my immortals. Do not prevent any action towards the King.
"That will not be necessary. I've already planned for this. I had hoped you and the others would have followed your scripts but I seem to have misjudged. Seal me onto the mortal plane after I forge the Blade. And ensure, for the love of all Creation, that my Immortals don't die. Yes, they will resurrect quickly, but these incarnations are essential.""Who is Sahaka and what have you done to prevent further Void corruption? Why do you want to forge the Blade so badly?"
"Also...have you not realised Sahaka's role here?"
"...What do you think the Void is made of? It is Essence itself.""That can't be true. Essence is created through Influence and Worship. Power is the ambient energy of the void. ((Looking it up now and it's the ambient energy of the Void with a capital 'V'. Crap.)) If it's made of Essence, then it must've been made through Influence, Worship, or both, and it would also require a god."
Essence: Energy of creation. Perhaps the most often used of the three energies, this is the power that allows gods to create. You regain essence through Influence and Worship. Raising the essence cap is random, with the chances increasing the lower your cap already is and with high income and decreasing with high cap or low income.
Power: Energy of destruction. Power is the ambient energy that exists in all locations in the Void, abundant and potent but unstable. Another benefit of Power is that, as an ambient source of energy, it naturally refills at a much higher rate. Power cap is raised by training, simply using it for something, which also increases the amount of Power regenerated.
Crux: Energy of Life. Used to live, for gods at least. Crux naturally replenishes itself with itself, healing slooowly over time. There is no known way to increase Crux cap naturally, but you all feel that *something* can do it....
"Very clever. Was hoping you'd spot it. Now, tell me, what differentiates this lie from the lie I made when I stated that I ruled the New Kingdom?"((Just quoting this in case it's taken down later.))
"Very clever. I was half-hoping you'd spot it. Now, tell me, what differentiates this lie from the lie I made when I stated that I ruled the New Kingdom?""I don't recall you ever proclaiming yourself the ruler of the New Kingdom, not unless you are the New King or you were speaking through him. As far as I know, we'd only made reasonable assumptions that you were behind it."
"Very clever. I was half-hoping you'd spot it. Now, tell me, what differentiates this lie from the lie I made when I stated that I ruled the New Kingdom?""I don't recall you ever proclaiming yourself the ruler of the New Kingdom, not unless you are the New King or you were speaking through him. As far as I know, we'd only made reasonable assumptions that you were behind it."
"...you all make...so many assumptions...you see Shadows on the wall...and think them true items...they appear to Grow larger...because their true form steps closer to the fire...to be consumed...and yet all of you speak of death...of destruction...of fighting and of ending...
...You are all incredulous...the answer is simple...but I will need the Lord of Chains...I will need the Overseer of Conflict....I will need the Iron God, and the Blood Gods...I will need the Archmage and the Two-Who-Are-One...I will need the Architect of Worlds, and the King-Maker...I will need the Dreamcatcher and Nightmare Queen...
...we have built a world once...grown it from a seed of my making...we can make it again...and at the center...bound by chains and thorns...held in shadow and slumber eternal...guarded by beasts, and traps, and demons...whose every struggle serves only to feed the bloodsoaked bindings at it's feet...all held behind the walls of a kingdom expressly to ensure none shall ever allow it's reawakening...
...if any of you are truly worried of what could come...and not so paranoid as to believe everyone to have allied against you...and yes, Iliseth, I mean you, you've been getting worrisome lately, though not as much as the rest of our pantheon, curiously...then help me with this prison-seed...and we shall make a world that will be a cage to keep the greatest threat held where it might not be a danger again...
...
...or, of course...I could be wrong...and Mavnon could be the villain...and I will have to make do with what I can..."
Laxual, do you intend to unblock my speaking with your followers any time soon? It has been quite some time.""Fine, please stop trying to influence my children though."
"To be fair, he wanted to know how to attract a girl. Giving said girl nightmares is less then beneficial for the task. Hence why I gave the suggestion of not scaring her shitless every night~"Laxual, do you intend to unblock my speaking with your followers any time soon? It has been quite some time.""Fine, please stop trying to influence my children though."
Unblocked.
"True..Maybe it would be best if my children did not pray to me for dating advice. I'm not exactly a Goddess of Dating Advice.""To be fair, he wanted to know how to attract a girl. Giving said girl nightmares is less then beneficial for the task. Hence why I gave the suggestion of not scaring her shitless every night~"Laxual, do you intend to unblock my speaking with your followers any time soon? It has been quite some time.""Fine, please stop trying to influence my children though."
Unblocked.
"Many of my people are near the CRD and the Great Tribe. With the revelation of their evil, I need to ensure their safety and get them away from both. Could your Saplings allow them refuge within their lands? They can grow their own food so supporting them wouldn't be a problem, especially if the Saplings teach them of soil for their agriculture. The Aag lands are desert and so cannot support them."
"Of course, Iliseth...there should be plenty of food in any case...I ask only that your people teach the Saplings...what they may, in turn..."
I tell the Human tribes loyal to me (whether they're part of the Great Tribe or no) to go to Sapling lands, to settle there and live near them. I also tell Humans in CRD lands that they can be free in Sapling lands with other Humans. My Leader angel will convince people that the High Church is dangerous due to Mavnon's presence and their alliance with Utther, and that by extension Patronius, Frederick, and the Great Tribe itself is dangerous. If they want to live under a god who will not use them as pawns, but rather protect them and nurture them, to go to Sapling lands where I can truly watch over them once more.
I use 2 Power (use pantheon to enhance) to teleport those who cannot make the journey to the Sapling lands.
Ask the Saplings to go forth and direct/escort these Humans to their lands. Call on my Templars to do the same. (The tribes' militaries would probably help in this regard too.)
Once Humanity has reached Sapling lands, their technology and Art shall be shared with the Saplings.
(For clarity, while they're to go to Sapling lands, they're not to settle in their actual cities. They will found their own separate from the Saplings but still within their borders.)
Banish the Leader Angel from my lands. His presence was allowed while no harm was being conducted toward the High Church, but this is not going to be permitted. Block Iliseth from the Great Tribe. Note: I am not disallowing his worship; I am simply not allowing him to directly or indirectly influence the Great Tribe. This includes blocking his power expenditures in my lands."Patronius, while I can understand the motives behind your actions I have to doubt the legality. You said that you didn't control the Great Tribe, but merely helped it, correct? It's Frederick who has the power, in which case the most you can do is ask him to banish my Leader from the Great Tribe. Furthermore, I am only teleporting those who choose to leave, meaning you are illegally preventing the citizens of the Great Tribe who wish to leave from leaving by cutting off their transportation."
Fine."Oh dear."
As Luthus, return to my regular form. Go back to the Aag nation. Tell everyone to stay in their house, because the incoming storm will cleanse the world.
But you'll still suicidally throw the Aag onto the swords of the New Kingdom? Or will you cede them the border land they crave, and ask for peace?
Left alone? LEFT ALONE?!-Has backtracked as soon as I attempted to obtain further knowledge, eventually settling for wasting my time with inane answers, such as:
YOU
YOU BASTARD
YOU CAME INTO THIS WONDERFUL VOID, AND TWISTED IT TO BE YOUR ENTERTAINMENT. YOU CREATED LIFE WITHOUT MEANING, THOUGHTS WITHOUT PURPOSE, DESTROYED WHAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE WITHOUT EVEN GIVING THEM AN APOLOGY, AND WORST OF ALL YOU DESTROYED MY GODDAMN LAWN.
YOU NEVER CARED FOR THE BEINGS OF THIS PLACE, YOU AND ALL OF THE OTHER GODS NEVER CARED FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO THIS PLACE. YOU TREAT YOU CREATIONS AS PLAYTHINGS, BUT GAVE THEM THE MINDS OF GODS, YOU CALLOUSLY KILL THOUSANDS OF THEM TO FIT YOUR VISION OF A BETTER WORLD. ME? THEY ARE ALL GODS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT, AND YES I KILLED SOME OF THEM, BUT I COULD'VE KILLED THEM ALL. I WISH THEY'D NEVER COME INTO EXISTENCE, BUT NOW THEY'RE HERE, AND TO END THEM NOW IS A CRIME BEYOND PUNISHMENT. TO HAVE BROUGHT THEM INTO BEING IS A CRIME EVEN WORSE.
YOU CALL ME THE BAD GUY FOR TELLING THEM THIS? FOR LETTING THEM FORM THEIR OWN NATION FREE FROM OUR MACHINATIONS? FOR TRYING TO GIVE THEM THE ONLY FREEDOM THEY CAN POSSIBLY HAVE?
AS LONG AS WE ARE HERE, WE CAN ONLY MAKE THINGS WORSE, AND I WILL STOP YOU FROM MAKING THINGS WORSE IF I HAVE TO KILL YOU, AND EVERY OTHER GOD IN THIS UNIVERSE.
My true color is brown.-An affirmation of Illiseth, confirmed by mavnon itself (before attempting to hide in a shower of lies, as per usual):
"This is a ruse. You are the god of Conflict, so this would empower you. Your secondary sphere of Pact-Binding could also lead you to join with whoever owns the New King. Utther is the god of Destruction and so bringing Void and destroying everything would be within his character. Patronius is the god of Leadership and Avarice so he would grab the power of the Void for himself and rule over all others. Finally, the overwhelming and unnecessary secrecy you keep around this, plus the fact that new and fundamentally different knowledge of the Void apparently doesn't interfere with your plans to destroy it. You are lying, Mavnon. I believe your plan isn't to destroy the Void, but to harness it to serve you and your allies."
"This is a ruse. You are the god of Conflict, so this would empower you. Your secondary sphere of Pact-Binding could also lead you to join with whoever owns the New King. Utther is the god of Destruction and so bringing Void and destroying everything would be within his character. Patronius is the god of Leadership and Avarice so he would grab the power of the Void for himself and rule over all others. Finally, the overwhelming and unnecessary secrecy you keep around this, plus the fact that new and fundamentally different knowledge of the Void apparently doesn't interfere with your plans to destroy it. You are lying, Mavnon. I believe your plan isn't to destroy the Void, but to harness it to serve you and your allies."
"Very clever. I was half-hoping you'd spot it. Now, tell me, what differentiates this lie from the lie I made when I stated that I ruled the New Kingdom?"-Has confirmed to be behind a ruse after being confronted by accusations:
"The ruse is over Patronius, you best not waste resources on empowering me."-has created a god-killing weapon:
Cancel all essence-using actions performed this turn. Create the Blade of Light using all my essence save 1 and enchant it with all remaining power. It is composed of pure light in Mavnon's hands. It shields those surrounding the bearer with pure light as well as those most beloved by Mavnon regardless of distance. It is especially deadly to beings composed of essence. The rallying effect only works on those friendly to the bearer. Only Mavnon may use it to its full effect; it is a normal steel blade otherwise.-Mavnon has sent it's minion to scourge the library to end any technological edge her opponents might have, likely implying an upcoming declaration of war:
-Has admitted her goal of murdering a god in a private discussion:
Within the divine library exists only the knowlege of mortals. there are exactly two reasons why a god would be interested in it and only one reason why God would grant free passage to mortals to it. To uplift their technology for free. The filth would violate my creation that I crafted simply for keeping of reccords for personal goals. And that just after I decided to give him benefit of doubt in a case where guilt could mean death and all proof was pointing at her. Not only would the bastard not stop at anything to gain an edge, she feels preapeared enough to deal with opposition. We either act now or we may as well slice our metaphorical throuths now and save the trouble.
"Tell me what you'll do once you're sealed."
"Still do not trust me? Very well. Luthus is doomed. The Void shall consume him; it is too late. Lithus will hopefully live on. I will use the Blade to slay the King and take what soul it has as well as Luthus' own. I will not be affected as I will not be made of essence. My immortals are important for this as I've filled them with power; I need them to transport the souls."
"Transport what souls? It's at this point in time that you need to tell me everything you know about gods, souls, Essence, and the Void."
"No. I will have no interference sister."
"I will not interfere with your plans. I only wish to know so that if you fail, I can continue your work. Besides, you need other gods to bind you. You cannot do so on your own."
"I'm aware. Still, I cannot tell for if you knew, it would hamper my goals after this creature is dealt with. And if you will not seal me, another will."
"At least tell me what you know of the Void, Mavnon. No one benefits from our being ignorant on this subject, save for those working with the Void for their own ends."
"We are born from the Void and we will die in the Void; we can only slow its pace. Mortals are the key to ensuring our Bubble continues to exist and as such, the uplifting of them and their eventual replacement of the Gods is a distant necessity. That is all I am willing to tell Iliseth."-Has ordered to raise a large amount of cattle for sacrifice, empowering the portals necessary to send his armies anywhere in the universe, and is attempting to recruit two of the most fearsome species for her armies:
Another opportunity arises.
If a significant human population leave (which they probably will) turn the land over to livestock production. Immense livestock production.
If the non-conquered tribes leave as well, annex their former territories and rename them Free Marches. Each is ruled by an assigned viceroy by the CRD Regent but have their own rules. Most are granted to dwarven administrators but a handful are reserved for Mavnon's agents.
Mathenos, a small March, will be given over to the control of Illyria and her apprentices. While administrators will be selected to aid in the running of the province, she will be given ample resources to conduct any experiments she desires.
The Grand March, a medium-sized and relatively poor region, will be closed off from the outside world. No one with any sanity will inhabit it and walls are to be built around it.
Lan Cao is given a mission to convince a population of Droogans to settle CRD lands. They will receive all benefits of CRD citizenry and free land to call their own if they agree. Try to get their Dragons to come along as well. If they actually come, hand them control of a march.
"As you wish, Mavnon."Spend what is necessary to bind Mavnon in mortal form (be it Essence, Power, or a dip into Crux - take power from other actions to do so).
"The ruse is over Patronius, you best not waste resources on empowering me."-His nation, along with mavnon's are the only two not at war with the new kingdom.
This hasty cover up of your actions at the library are the easiest to dismantle. You obviously intended to bring this stolen knowledge to your territory, proposing to spread it everywhere after being caught change nothing to your initial intentions. You have more to loose by seeing your plot unveiled than by loosing this opportunity to obtain a technological advantage. And might I point out that your proposition do not fix any of the problems of your action? You still achieve the same level of technology as the rest of the world.
Now moving to the cattle... Really? Is that your only defense? A claim with no evidence backing it? You had shown no intention to do such a thing before, why suddenly make this move if what you say is true?
Illyria reports that the CR Dwarves have indeed attempted to use livestock. The have also experimented with using plant life, enemy combatants, captured enemies, and sharing the burden between groups. None are particularly successful, and this is only the beginning of the list of their attempts. She reports that it seems almost impossible for the average Portabanii to borrow energy from an unwilling being, the limited success they have was when the Portabani had raised the livestock themselves. Never the less, they follow your orders and begin raising livestock as demanded.
Tell Illyria to teach some CRDs the proper use of Portal Magic. Make it a point that they are supposed to sacrifice livestock and not to use their own memories. Furthermore, a government ministry will ensure that there are sufficient livestock to support the needs of the Portabani. This livestock will be raised in the newly conquered territories. Inhabitants will be encouraged to begin raising livestock via decreased taxation. Indentured servants will be forced to work as shepherds/farmhands. If no one is willing to undergo the process...well there is a reason I'm the goddess of Conflict. Force them to on the pain of divine punishment.
"To be true, I had assumed the dwarves would be intelligent enough to sacrifice animals for this magic. I seem to have overestimated them which is a shame as I had thought them as my favoured children. Luckily, my other side projects have born fruit. Clan Rilem has been given enough tools. If they can't make use of my gifts, they may as well fade into memory and allow others to triumph."
"I will admit that I can no longer envision a world where you exist. But it is not my decision. Our brothers and sisters will decide your fate."
((Also letting you know I finished editing my previous post, if you want to respond to it.))
Split personality disorder?! You have no idea of what we are, and I would have to clarify that I am
Lithus, Luthus is resting after his battle.
You have no right to choose for us, and it is now obvious that my twin is not falling for the void, as he ended his battle. You no longer have any excuse to back your murder.
My brother is not hampering me, he is the one protecting me from the likes of you, interested in nothing but perpetrating needless bloodbaths in our lands. The only thing that would happen if you killed him would be my weakening and withering, something you surely hope to see...
The only reason why I opposed you in the first place was because you would refuse to end wasting lives needlessly while you could've easily avoided inflicting such pain without limiting your power. It is now clear that you are much worse than any of us could've expected. I did not want any part in this stupid war, all I want is to help mortals progress and lead better lives, but because of people like you I cannot, I am forced to waste all of my energies protecting this little inhospitable piece of sand from you bloodthirsty tyrants.
""You" bloodthirsty tyrants. I assume you include me in this grouping, despite the fact that I have had no part in the attack on the Aag Nation?"
((I've edited in responses in the post below your edits, Farg)"I can certainly forsee a time in the distant future when I am not needed. But I also believe you are one of the very reasons that I am. I do believe we are going in circles again."
"Uztot, brother, have I made that not clear throughout all our discussions? We must give way to the mortals in time. At least, that is what I believe."((Also letting you know I finished editing my previous post, if you want to respond to it.))
Split personality disorder?! You have no idea of what we are, and I would have to clarify that I am
Lithus, Luthus is resting after his battle.
You have no right to choose for us, and it is now obvious that my twin is not falling for the void, as he ended his battle. You no longer have any excuse to back your murder.
My brother is not hampering me, he is the one protecting me from the likes of you, interested in nothing but perpetrating needless bloodbaths in our lands. The only thing that would happen if you killed him would be my weakening and withering, something you surely hope to see...
The only reason why I opposed you in the first place was because you would refuse to end wasting lives needlessly while you could've easily avoided inflicting such pain without limiting your power. It is now clear that you are much worse than any of us could've expected. I did not want any part in this stupid war, all I want is to help mortals progress and lead better lives, but because of people like you I cannot, I am forced to waste all of my energies protecting this little inhospitable piece of sand from you bloodthirsty tyrants.
"No right? Perhaps. But I see this Luthus as only a blight upon your persona and ought be excised. It is clear you disagree and you are defensive of it. I see there is no chance of eliminating him now, unfortunately. If you will not let me eliminate that malignant blight, allow someone else to do so. It is not healthy. And perhaps you would weaken at first once Luthus is gone, but surely you would regain that power and even greater heights in short time. But I doubt we'll ever see that now, yes?"
"And for the last time, this New Kingdom is not my creation. Kill me as you like, but I will die swearing that this Kingdom is not mine."
"Now Lithus, what other accusations must I answer for? I lie, I agree. I sponsored the annexation of the human lands, I agree. I sponsored the expansion of the cattle industry, I agree. I attempted to murder Luthus, I agree. What else do you ask of me?"
"I support Utther's execution."
-Utther: Immediate execution, as the previous punishment proved to be ineffective. He is a much greater threat to our creation than previously thought.
"I support Mavnon's execution but I do not support the execution of all his Immortals and I oppose the disbanding of Clan Rilem. Of his Immortals, we should punish only those that are proven to have aided him in his crimes. The rest for all we know have been unwitting pawns. As for the Clan Rilem, it is a poor sentence and a useless one. They are a people and to drive them apart is not justice. They would also reform later, possibly under another name. I instead propose that they provide compensation and freedom to those they have conquered."
-Mavnon: Immediate execution and execution of all of his Immortals and disbanding of the clan rilem, the sheer madness of this deity is a threat to all that exist. Nothing will be safe for as long as she exist.
"I oppose execution of Frederick. Frederick, for all we know, has only been managing the Great Tribe as per Patronius' request. Patronius, I'll remind, is the only one who we can consider pardoning and so his creations should also be considered for pardon. I abstain on the mortal binding of Patronius."
-Patronius: Mortal binding and execution of Frederick, The only of the three who seems to have any chance to repent from his crimes, there is a good chance that patronius has no idea of what he brought himself into. This punishment will allow us to see whenever it is true.
"Truly? That is good. It is good that you are ready to die. Normally I might have been moved by your words and considered forgiveness, but you constantly lie and I am tired of being manipulated. Tell me your wishes before I carry out my next action and I'll see what I can do about honouring them."
"Suffice to say, you my brothers will have me killed and I am quite ready to die, as long as my last wishes are honoured, although I believe I have little power to stop you anyway if they are not."
(He meant mortal binding patronius and executing Frederick silly.)(That....makes a lot more sense. I'll redo that paragraph.)
"Stay your hand Sister. It is not for any one of us to pass judgement on one of our kin. We must hear the voices of the others."
Uztot sighs.(He meant mortal binding patronius and executing Frederick silly.)(That....makes a lot more sense. I'll redo that paragraph.)
"Stay your hand Sister. It is not for any one of us to pass judgement on one of our kin. We must hear the voices of the others."
"He caused the Great Flood, killing countless people. He allied himself with Utther. He started wars without provocation. He's told us lies about something that could very well destroy us all. These are all reasons why the other gods should decide to execute him, but I have more own legitimate reasons for killing him.
He started an illegal and aggressive war against my people, killing hundreds and possibly thousands. He oppresses the worship of me within his lands. He's lied to me and manipulated me more times than I can count. He plans or planned to work my people under threat of divine punishment, assuming he hadn't done so already. Finally, we are still at war and I can kill him without the permission of any others, especially since he's the aggressor."
"I must note that your worship is still allowed, if closely watched to ensure you are not stirring rebellion. Also, only those humans who resisted were made servants, and only for time. But yes, you have every right to fight me. Come now, let us duel."(He meant mortal binding patronius and executing Frederick silly.)(That....makes a lot more sense. I'll redo that paragraph.)
"Stay your hand Sister. It is not for any one of us to pass judgement on one of our kin. We must hear the voices of the others."
"He caused the Great Flood, killing countless people. He allied himself with Utther. He started wars without provocation. He's told us lies about something that could very well destroy us all. These are all reasons why the other gods should decide to execute him, but I have more own legitimate reasons for killing him.
He started an illegal and aggressive war against my people, killing hundreds and possibly thousands. He oppresses the worship of me within his lands. He's lied to me and manipulated me more times than I can count. He plans or planned to work my people under threat of divine punishment, assuming he hadn't done so already. Finally, we are still at war and I can kill him without the permission of any others, especially since he's the aggressor."
"I've already told Lithus. Suffice to say, I do not believe you will heed them. But I shall repeat them once more. The uplifting of mortals and their eventual replacement of the gods. Now sister, time for our last duel, yes?"(This would've been fairly poetic, but then you went and called Iliseth a 'he'. Also, I kinda missed this the first time around.)
Use the Blade of Light to fight Iliseth if he attacks.
"Personal attacks? I believe you were the one to start them brother. But if you except the void entity, then I have no excuse to not be punished. It is a fitting fate, yes?"QuoteThis hasty cover up of your actions at the library are the easiest to dismantle. You obviously intended to bring this stolen knowledge to your territory, proposing to spread it everywhere after being caught change nothing to your initial intentions. You have more to loose by seeing your plot unveiled than by loosing this opportunity to obtain a technological advantage. And might I point out that your proposition do not fix any of the problems of your action? You still achieve the same level of technology as the rest of the world.
"Exactly. Everyone will be on an equal playing field, leading to greater need for change."QuoteNow moving to the cattle... Really? Is that your only defense? A claim with no evidence backing it? You had shown no intention to do such a thing before, why suddenly make this move if what you say is true?
"Let us look back at the obelisk."QuoteIllyria reports that the CR Dwarves have indeed attempted to use livestock. The have also experimented with using plant life, enemy combatants, captured enemies, and sharing the burden between groups. None are particularly successful, and this is only the beginning of the list of their attempts. She reports that it seems almost impossible for the average Portabanii to borrow energy from an unwilling being, the limited success they have was when the Portabani had raised the livestock themselves. Never the less, they follow your orders and begin raising livestock as demanded.QuoteTell Illyria to teach some CRDs the proper use of Portal Magic. Make it a point that they are supposed to sacrifice livestock and not to use their own memories. Furthermore, a government ministry will ensure that there are sufficient livestock to support the needs of the Portabani. This livestock will be raised in the newly conquered territories. Inhabitants will be encouraged to begin raising livestock via decreased taxation. Indentured servants will be forced to work as shepherds/farmhands. If no one is willing to undergo the process...well there is a reason I'm the goddess of Conflict. Force them to on the pain of divine punishment.Quote"To be true, I had assumed the dwarves would be intelligent enough to sacrifice animals for this magic. I seem to have overestimated them which is a shame as I had thought them as my favoured children. Luckily, my other side projects have born fruit. Clan Rilem has been given enough tools. If they can't make use of my gifts, they may as well fade into memory and allow others to triumph."
((I've edited in responses in the post below your edits, Farg)
"Uztot, brother, have I made that not clear throughout all our discussions? We must give way to the mortals in time. At least, that is what I believe."snip"No right? Perhaps. But I see this Luthus as only a blight upon your persona and ought be excised. It is clear you disagree and you are defensive of it. I see there is no chance of eliminating him now, unfortunately. If you will not let me eliminate that malignant blight, allow someone else to do so. It is not healthy. And perhaps you would weaken at first once Luthus is gone, but surely you would regain that power and even greater heights in short time. But I doubt we'll ever see that now, yes?"
"And for the last time, this New Kingdom is not my creation. Kill me as you like, but I will die swearing that this Kingdom is not mine."
"Now Lithus, what other accusations must I answer for? I lie, I agree. I sponsored the annexation of the human lands, I agree. I sponsored the expansion of the cattle industry, I agree. I attempted to murder Luthus, I agree. What else do you ask of me?"
""You" bloodthirsty tyrants. I assume you include me in this grouping, despite the fact that I have had no part in the attack on the Aag Nation?"
And Illiseth, wait for those of us who didn't spoke to voice their opinion. This is not a lynch mob, as patronius seems to believe and knowing mavnon, she probably have some form of trap or scheme for you should you try to fight him, the majority will be able to deal with her according to the final judgement."This fight between me and Mavnon is one of war as well as justice. Assuming I'd have to wait for judgement for the gods to execute him, I wouldn't have to wait to kill him as my military enemy. As he is the aggressor and we are of the same pantheon in a defensive alliance, I ask that you, Uztot, and Teburshe help me in this military matter. There will be blood for the goddess of blood!"
"I've already told Lithus. Suffice to say, I do not believe you will heed them. But I shall repeat them once more. The uplifting of mortals and their eventual replacement of the gods. Now sister, time for our last duel, yes?"(This would've been fairly poetic, but then you went and called Iliseth a 'he'. Also, I kinda missed this the first time around.)
Use the Blade of Light to fight Iliseth if he attacks.
"The uplifting I can certainly do, but I think I'd rather have them as alternatives or equals to gods rather than their replacements. Why do you defend yourself, though? Did you not say you were prepared to face our justice?"
Cattle:
You still fail to answer my point, mavnon.
Portals:
These passages do not show an intention to use portals as an exclusive mean of transportation as you claimed, the only thing I can see is you trying to teach the use of portal magic in a way only you can match in terms of cruelty and disdain.
Teach Clan Rilem Mobile Portal Doctrine. Rather than engaging in mundane trade and combat, Rilem is to bring all technological and magical arts to their logical conclusion. Rather than making use of supply lines, trade routes or even roads, portals will be set up by dedicated Portabani, portal mages with the sole duty of opening portals. Rather than marching an army through an enemy's defenses, the army will simply teleport directly into the enemy's flanks. Rather than creating structures with entrances, buildings only accessible via portals will be made.
Before I vomit out of disgust, let me address one of your point, I did not imply that you were the creator of the new kingdom in this argument you responded, only that you encourage it to bring war, as you greatly benefit from this.
Lithus vanishes for a few seconds, and returns, obviously sick.
BASED on what do YOU bring these accusations on my brother?! I have brought plenty of evidences backing my claims, I intend you do do the same...
...Or not. You admitted it yourself earlier, you lie to bring anger. You hope to bring me in another outburst of rage? I would no longer talk with logic, and would be easy to paint as insane and wrong, just as you did when my twin went on the battlefield. I will not fall for this, but know that I am already boiling with rage, I will not calm down until you and your allies are no longer a threat, whenever it implies your death or imprisonment or not. I will not burst with rage either, as I now know that it would only help you.
WORSHIPERS OF MAVNON, PEOPLE OF THE NEW KINGDOM! YOU ARE ALL FOOLED BY THIS ABOMINATION YOU CALL A GOD, THIS HORRENDOUS BEAST FEEL NOTHING BUT DISDAIN TOWARDS MORTALS, IMMORTALS AND GODS, YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A TOY, A PAWN FOR THIS DEMON, YOUR DEATH, YOUR SUFFERING MEAN NOTHING TO THIS BEAST, IT EVEN ENJOY THE PAIN IT INFLICTS TO ALL OF YOU THROUGH WARFARE AND DESTRUCTION!! NEW KINGDOM! EVEN THOUGH YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE ALL FREE FROM GODS, YOU ARE A PAWN OF MAVNON'S SCHEME OF DESTRUCTION! REALIZE THIS, OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR INNOCENT VICTIMS!!
I SHALL NO LONGER LET MY PEOPLE BE SLAUGHTERED BY YOU PATHETIC, BLOODTHIRSTY PSYCHOPATH! NONE OF THOSE WHO WANT TO SPREAD SUFFERING AND DESTRUCTION FOR THEIR OWN SAKE SHALL BE SPARED! SUPPORTERS OF MAVNON, KNOW THAT YOUR PATRON IS ONLY CAPABLE OF FEELING DISDAIN TOWARDS YOU. REPENT OR DROWN IN THE BLOOD OF YOUR VICTIMS!
(Are we just waiting for all the other active players to post at this point?)(Yup.)
Verruckt goes around finding orphans, bringing them back to the dungeon and training them as adventurers. When they become adults, they are to found an organization dedicated to taking in orphans and other people without family and training them as adventurers.
Verruckt also visits settlements of various races, telling them about evolution orbs and the benefits of becoming an adventurer.
Finally Verruckt encourages several existing, talented adventurers to go out and create guilds across the lands to foster a more elaborate adventuring community. He pays them if necessary.
"I will only tell you on the condition that you do not stop me. By this I mean we would be bound in a Pact stating that you will not stop me from doing so. Suffice to say, you would be aghast, horrified, intrigued and perhaps wish to help."
"Now...as to why I want dragons. The reason is actually quite simple. Why not? Their patron god seems to be asleep and having them around would be interesting. Furthermore, I plan to build a new multicultural city in the future...if I'm still alive at that time."
"Lithus. You lack foresight. I don't deny Mavnon and co.'s actions, nor will I stop their executions, should y'all decide to do them, but know that I've planned ahead enough to walk out of this mess victorious. You're holding the key, but I carry the card."
"Lithus...your claims are not proof...you have brought no evidence of Mavnon attempting to destroy the world...I believe you may be biased as a result of Mavnon's opinion on mortals...bring more concrete evidence to light...before asking us to kill one of our own..."
-Has admitted her goal of murdering a god in a private discussion:It is true that my conflict was initially about our opinions on mortals, but this has blown out of proportions. If you believe I still linger on this issue while there is so much evidence of worse acts then you are fooled. I respect your wish to remain out of this, but you have no reason to defend her. Will you still be preaching for his protection when she will have a dagger on your throat?"Tell me what you'll do once you're sealed.""Still do not trust me? Very well. Luthus is doomed. The Void shall consume him; it is too late. Lithus will hopefully live on. I will use the Blade to slay the King and take what soul it has as well as Luthus' own. I will not be affected as I will not be made of essence. My immortals are important for this as I've filled them with power; I need them to transport the souls.""Transport what souls? It's at this point in time that you need to tell me everything you know about gods, souls, Essence, and the Void.""No. I will have no interference sister.""I will not interfere with your plans. I only wish to know so that if you fail, I can continue your work. Besides, you need other gods to bind you. You cannot do so on your own.""I'm aware. Still, I cannot tell for if you knew, it would hamper my goals after this creature is dealt with. And if you will not seal me, another will.""At least tell me what you know of the Void, Mavnon. No one benefits from our being ignorant on this subject, save for those working with the Void for their own ends.""We are born from the Void and we will die in the Void; we can only slow its pace. Mortals are the key to ensuring our Bubble continues to exist and as such, the uplifting of them and their eventual replacement of the Gods is a distant necessity. That is all I am willing to tell Iliseth."-has created a god-killing weapon:Cancel all essence-using actions performed this turn. Create the Blade of Light using all my essence save 1 and enchant it with all remaining power. It is composed of pure light in Mavnon's hands. It shields those surrounding the bearer with pure light as well as those most beloved by Mavnon regardless of distance. It is especially deadly to beings composed of essence. The rallying effect only works on those friendly to the bearer. Only Mavnon may use it to its full effect; it is a normal steel blade otherwise.-Mavnon has sent it's minion to scourge the library to end any technological edge her opponents might have, likely implying an upcoming declaration of war:-Has ordered to raise a large amount of cattle for sacrifice, empowering the portals necessary to send his armies anywhere in the universe, and is attempting to recruit two of the most fearsome species for her armies:
Within the divine library exists only the knowlege of mortals. there are exactly two reasons why a god would be interested in it and only one reason why God would grant free passage to mortals to it. To uplift their technology for free. The filth would violate my creation that I crafted simply for keeping of reccords for personal goals. And that just after I decided to give him benefit of doubt in a case where guilt could mean death and all proof was pointing at her. Not only would the bastard not stop at anything to gain an edge, she feels preapeared enough to deal with opposition. We either act now or we may as well slice our metaphorical throuths now and save the trouble.Another opportunity arises.
If a significant human population leave (which they probably will) turn the land over to livestock production. Immense livestock production.
If the non-conquered tribes leave as well, annex their former territories and rename them Free Marches. Each is ruled by an assigned viceroy by the CRD Regent but have their own rules. Most are granted to dwarven administrators but a handful are reserved for Mavnon's agents.
Mathenos, a small March, will be given over to the control of Illyria and her apprentices. While administrators will be selected to aid in the running of the province, she will be given ample resources to conduct any experiments she desires.
The Grand March, a medium-sized and relatively poor region, will be closed off from the outside world. No one with any sanity will inhabit it and walls are to be built around it.
Lan Cao is given a mission to convince a population of Droogans to settle CRD lands. They will receive all benefits of CRD citizenry and free land to call their own if they agree. Try to get their Dragons to come along as well. If they actually come, hand them control of a march.
"Who is to say I haven't taken action yet?"
"Conquest...is not a crime...worthy of execution...it is scarcely...a crime at all...unless you wish to punish...any mortal...with dreams of conquest...?...do not get me wrong...in a war, I will support you...and in a war, the loser pays compensation to the victor...and that is in itself something of a punishment...particularly since Mavnon is the aggressor...his plan to kill Luthus is upsetting...though even I am not certain of your relationship...he planned it with vaguely good intentions...but again...that is not worthy of execution...I can oppose the God of Conflict...while remaining on friendly terms...that is one nice thing...about a god who loves war...I understand your concerns...but I have to point out...Gods are not of Essence...we are of Crux...it is a Divine Creation slaying weapon...not a god-slaying one...her greatest crime is attempting to kill Luthus...and for that he must be punished...but death is not the answer...he is a god of pacts, correct...?...so what better way to keep them true to their word...than to bind them in one...?...my suggestion for punishment still stands...though I believe I forgot at the time...that the Blade of Light being broken...should be part of the agreement..."
"Mavnon has his reasons...for inflicting hardship upon the mortals...you simply disagree with their being good enough ressons...he wishes to elevate them, yes...?...so he must test them...and try them...and push them to breaking...so that what is left...is stronger for it...it is much like tending a garden...though his goal differs enormously from mine..."
Do you still believe she has an ounce of good will? Tell me of it and I will prove you wrong again.Split personality disorder?! You have no idea of what we are, and I would have to clarify that I am
Lithus, Luthus is resting after his battle.
You have no right to choose for us, and it is now obvious that my twin is not falling for the void, as he ended his battle. You no longer have any excuse to back your murder.
My brother is not hampering me, he is the one protecting me from the likes of you, interested in nothing but perpetrating needless bloodbaths in our lands. The only thing that would happen if you killed him would be my weakening and withering, something you surely hope to see...
The only reason why I opposed you in the first place was because you would refuse to end wasting lives needlessly while you could've easily avoided inflicting such pain without limiting your power. It is now clear that you are much worse than any of us could've expected. I did not want any part in this stupid war, all I want is to help mortals progress and lead better lives, but because of people like you I cannot, I am forced to waste all of my energies protecting this little inhospitable piece of sand from you bloodthirsty tyrants.
"No right? Perhaps. But I see this Luthus as only a blight upon your persona and ought be excised. It is clear you disagree and you are defensive of it. I see there is no chance of eliminating him now, unfortunately. If you will not let me eliminate that malignant blight, allow someone else to do so. It is not healthy. And perhaps you would weaken at first once Luthus is gone, but surely you would regain that power and even greater heights in short time. But I doubt we'll ever see that now, yes?"
"And for the last time, this New Kingdom is not my creation. Kill me as you like, but I will die swearing that this Kingdom is not mine."
"Now Lithus, what other accusations must I answer for? I lie, I agree. I sponsored the annexation of the human lands, I agree. I sponsored the expansion of the cattle industry, I agree. I attempted to murder Luthus, I agree. What else do you ask of me?"
"Lithus. Your conclusions are plausible, maybe even probable, but hasty. You're missing important details. You haven't thought this completely through. I can tell."
"Pretty (or ugly) words prove nothing."
"Pretty (or ugly) words prove nothing."
Let's look at actions then. Mavon is trying to break into Divine library to technologicly uplift races of her choice for free. She has built a weapon specialized for god killing. She is involved with both Uther and New kingdom. Same as you at that. Seems all rather incriminating to me.
Lithus stuff.
"I have a library?"
So the final answer is pathetic, cowardly apathy?
I,, will be laug/hing so[] much at your ine||vitable death.
Mavnon, Utther, Patronius, If I ever see any of you dare to touch my lands again I will rip all of your heads off myself. Remove this filth you call new kingdom from my lands. I don't care of your pathetic excuses of a lie you will do it if you care for your damn life, regardless of whatever crap you did to get involved in it. I have wasted enough of my time on this mess. Mavnon, you will be the first to die if you open this damn portal. Gai-gen, block the access to technology in your library, this little piece of ... we call mavnon has made it obvious enough that it is not safe to let it in the open.
...Don't think that ending you three is out of my reach, the tool is almost ready...
..:,D .,COWARDS| BLOOD|/\,//|.batttth;
"What do you mean, Good sir? Also why do you believe that I had ever tried to kill your immortals, I have better things to do than kill pseudo-immortals."
"And Stellarion, you still have not answered me. Either you lack an answer, you are planning something secretly or you simply have not heard me. Which is it, pray tell?"[/font]
A god condenses out of an enormous accretion of Narrativium...."This would likely cost you somewhere in the fifty to one hundred essence range. You have exactly Ten Essence and no income. You may want to consider not killing yourself without actually accomplishing what you're trying to do."
"Sorry, am I late, or do I need to have someone invent clockwork first...?"
Dgetga looks backwards in time a bit.
"Oh come on, that has got to be...You can't invent inventing because inventing would be required before invention is a thing. Also that's MY domain."
==All One Action==
1-5 E:
'Invent' proper collaborative workshops, and create a town that may or may not resemble Mechanicsburg, right down to a massive Workshop in the center of town.
Said massive Workshop is the closest one would really get to a temple of Dgetga, save any little shrines in the corners, and that only because he is perpetually hanging around, collaborating. His signature octarine gear logo will end up on many blueprints and designs originally coming out of the place.
In addition, craft multitool Keys to the Workshop for legendary inventors, tinkerers, magicians, and artists, (for art is invention, is it not?), consisting of tools of their trade that also incorporate the Octarine Gear motif. These Keys will be found, along with messages to the new owners, in a conspicuous place where the new owner will find them. They also contain directions, but for this tick and/or the next, I shall expend Power to create portals directly to the Workshop for those who are so inclined.
Temples for all the gods will be found in the city, though they will be scattered throughout the city.
Needed resources are produced via automated systems.
==End Action==
"There are no other planets. There are the fractured remainders of an attempted Mindfuck Mobius World and a moon made out of living chitin. That is all.""Someone's taking forever to get back to me on costs, so I had to try a wild guess. Thanks for the advice. D'you have a basic price chart about?"A god condenses out of an enormous accretion of Narrativium...."This would likely cost you somewhere in the fifty to one hundred essence range. You have exactly Ten Essence and no income. You may want to consider not killing yourself without actually accomplishing what you're trying to do."
"Sorry, am I late, or do I need to have someone invent clockwork first...?"
Dgetga looks backwards in time a bit.
"Oh come on, that has got to be...You can't invent inventing because inventing would be required before invention is a thing. Also that's MY domain."
==All One Action==
1-5 E:
'Invent' proper collaborative workshops, and create a town that may or may not resemble Mechanicsburg, right down to a massive Workshop in the center of town.
Said massive Workshop is the closest one would really get to a temple of Dgetga, save any little shrines in the corners, and that only because he is perpetually hanging around, collaborating. His signature octarine gear logo will end up on many blueprints and designs originally coming out of the place.
In addition, craft multitool Keys to the Workshop for legendary inventors, tinkerers, magicians, and artists, (for art is invention, is it not?), consisting of tools of their trade that also incorporate the Octarine Gear motif. These Keys will be found, along with messages to the new owners, in a conspicuous place where the new owner will find them. They also contain directions, but for this tick and/or the next, I shall expend Power to create portals directly to the Workshop for those who are so inclined.
Temples for all the gods will be found in the city, though they will be scattered throughout the city.
Needed resources are produced via automated systems.
==End Action==
"I seek to build an invention that will change the universe, that is all, I could care less about godly politics. Although I may like to have an area to build a workshop mortals can visit.."
((The tech level is too low.
"...Really, Luthus...?...this is what it's come to...?...were you not the one speaking of how important mortals are...?...the only reason they were not punished is because most of the gods, as I take it, are sleeping...or do not see evidence...as I do not...you bring forth conjecture, my friend...you have no proof, and yet you try to act as judge, jury, and executioner!..."
"...never attribute to malice what can be as easily credited to incompetence, Liuthus...there is no need to be so incredibly pessimistic...or assume the worst of anyone you've come into conflict with....particularly when they are the god of[/i Conflict...if you will become angry at me...or threaten my Great Trees...for speaking my mind...you will have become what you despise..."[/color]
"A god of conflict. Why not a god of war, or discord? Why must it be conflict, so generalized. Hmm I have so many ideas, which one could sell him that I am not evil. No, too violent, explodes if it touches air, causes rage, spontaneous combustion upon contact with water, AHA!! Perhaps if I helped speed communication among your followers, I have an idea, well two idea really, actually three if you count the power source, called, electricity, computing, and "the internet." they, together, could revolutionize communications!"
"Oh wait, it's just very hard to get things right without putting godly essence into them, and the evil thing is just, I don't care much for morality, I just build whatever thing just pops into my head, and alot of the things are just, failed experiments, like take my attempt make a boat the goes underneath water instead of on it, I don't know how, it caught on fire when it touched water. So don't mistake my reading my notes out loud as all my evil successes, those are all my honest mistakes, and I'm kinda happy I had them, after all, if your perfect at everything, then where's the fun?"
"A god of conflict. Why not a god of war, or discord? Why must it be conflict, so generalized. Hmm I have so many ideas, which one could sell him that I am not evil. No, too violent, explodes if it touches air, causes rage, spontaneous combustion upon contact with water, AHA!! Perhaps if I helped speed communication among your followers, I have an idea, well two idea really, actually three if you count the power source, called, electricity, computing, and "the internet." they, together, could revolutionize communications!"
"I seek to build an invention that will change the universe, that is all, I could care less about godly politics. Although I may like to have an area to build a workshop mortals can visit.."
Change in a good way or a bad way? This is the only thing I care about. I would usually be interested in this kind of project but I am not in the mood right now.
I do not usually care about these kind of petty conflicts either, but these three idiots forced me into it. Their latest act of villainy consisted of hiding, supporting and manipulating a being that can and want to destroy the entire universe, yourself included, and backing a war against all of creation. I am not interested in fighting suicidal cartoon villains, all I care about is to improve these worlds. These idiots forced me to stop this and fight, and will force you to do the same eventually.
And for these workshops, my pantheon might have an interest in it. Contact me privately if you wish for me to connect you to them.
Luthus appears, with a similar appearance, but not size, to the granite titan:
I have just come to think about it, mavnon and co... If you did not bring your stupid new kingdom into my lands I would not even be fighting you. You three must be moronic for doing this, as if you wanted to suffer. Now I will not stop until you no longer prevent us for doing what we care about, you forced us to do this. I will make the universe a better place, and none of you will stop me. My tool will be ready for anti-god usage soon enough. You will put an end to this debacle you call the new kingdom before my tool is ready if you do not want to be it's first test subjects. Just tell me if you need another example, I would be glad to annihilate your followers again if this is what it takes to force you into action.
"New gods, one thing Li/uthus didn't mention in their 'tips' is Pantheons. To survive in this harsh world where nobody cares, as they said, you need friends who do care. Two gods co-operating are more poweful than four acting individually. There are currently three Pantheons: one focused on holding power over everything by keeping it in constant conflict, another focused on bringing progress and advancing the world, and a third one focused on keeping it from falling apart while the others duke it out. You can also start your own Pantheon if you gather a couple friends."
"Teburshe, you are a very wise god and I couldn't have said that better. Or maybe (probably not) I can: Li/uthus, wake up! Think, leave the faulty logic to me who can actually use it! This is not about Mavnon, this is about you."
Aurosseu, we will have nothing to tell each other until you speak directly, and not with metaphors and enigmas. I do not care if it is in your nature or anything. I can refrain from bringing violent revolutions all over the world, you can speak normally.Aurosseu glares at Li/uthus silently for a moment.
"will you assist us in carrying out Utther's sentence, whatever it might be...? Aurosseu, would you aid us in this as well...?"I will work for justice to happen. Whether that will involve assisting you, I can't say yet, but I wouldn't be afraid to put money on it, as long as more thought is put into it than last time."
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Teburshe, you are again centering all around yourself....I am not this hasty in my judgements....If you believe I am wrong, then by all means bring your arguments, I am open to changing my mind.Aurosseu bursts into roaring laughter, rolling on the 'floor' of the Assembly.
"That gives me an idea, I say we make a steam powered spaceship!""Perhaps we should make the requisite steps for making anything, first." "You know, because random spaceships are kind of a bit out there." "Also, stop assuming we're all going to go along with you. But the idea of a mechanical planet would be nice, if we could in fact make sure it operated reliably and had materials with which to operate..." "How much magic would be required to produce spare parts..."
"Also, to any gods of tech or knowledge, do you want to make a machine planet?""I may not be a tech god, but what kind of machine planet? What would be its purpose?"
"Ah you should still do it. Dreams are wild young godlings.""The logistics of a clockwork planet need to be fleshed out first though. How much magic, how much Essence, how do you get there, how do you keep it in place, what is its shape, how does gravity operate...Here goes." "Also, if you really want an entire tech planet, I hope you have thought about how MUCH tech you'd actually need to MAKE. Like, MAKE. This world, apparently, barely has steel."
"Pretty much, its purpose is being a machine planet. I was thinking we could either go high-tech computerized, clockwork stuff, or perhaps magic and either or both of the above...Well, magitech.""Also, to any gods of tech or knowledge, do you want to make a machine planet?""I may not be a tech god, but what kind of machine planet? What would be its purpose?"
Dammit, MORE OF YOU?! And already you're thinking up new ways to mess up the already ravaged void of the universe. Awful, just awful. If I had my power back I'd smack the hell out of all of you for even THINKING about doing more stupid things to this universe."It doesn't HAVE to, there are plenty of effective soundproofing things, and I'm sure you could help install them if you want. I'm also reasonably sure I could point people in the right direction, if there was some sort of 'where are we now' tech tree."
And clockwork planets? That noise will keep me up every night! Have some damn consideration for your elders!
"It doesn't HAVE to, there are plenty of effective soundproofing things, and I'm sure you could help install them if you want. I'm also reasonably sure I could point people in the right direction, if there was some sort of 'where are we now' tech tree."Oh mark my words, Lithus will make sure that damn thing isn't soundproof! Hell, he'll probably delubricate it just to piss me off even more!
"No, he will not, because I am already planning self-repair systems. I may be somewhat driven by Rule of Cool, but I do, in fact, have a practical side." "You don't actually have to help install, just maybe donate some Essence to the project. I mean, I'll probably install soundproofing anyway. But it would be nice to have more collaborators, as that lowers the costs.""It doesn't HAVE to, there are plenty of effective soundproofing things, and I'm sure you could help install them if you want. I'm also reasonably sure I could point people in the right direction, if there was some sort of 'where are we now' tech tree."Oh mark my words, Lithus will make sure that damn thing isn't soundproof! Hell, he'll probably delubricate it just to piss me off even more!
And I dont help install things, I'm too old for that shit!
Dammit, MORE OF YOU?! And already you're thinking up new ways to mess up the already ravaged void of the universe. Awful, just awful. If I had my power back I'd smack the hell out of all of you for even THINKING about doing more stupid things to this universe."You are younger then the majority of us you fool. Shush now and pay respect to your elders."
And clockwork planets? That noise will keep me up every night! Have some damn consideration for your elders!
"Heh. Ouch."Dammit, MORE OF YOU?! And already you're thinking up new ways to mess up the already ravaged void of the universe. Awful, just awful. If I had my power back I'd smack the hell out of all of you for even THINKING about doing more stupid things to this universe."You are younger then the majority of us you fool. Shush now and pay respect to your elders."
And clockwork planets? That noise will keep me up every night! Have some damn consideration for your elders!
"Hmm, maybe we should do this the democratic way, no we don't have democracy, but we are gods, we need no consistency!"...Seriously?"
So all who want a high-tech robot planet, say "bot". For all who want a clockwork planet, say "Kiree". For all those who want a mix n' match of the above, say "Patrick". And for those who want magi tech, say "final!"
"Ringo!""Probably, completely ignore the irrelevant chatter."
Aurosseu steeples his fingers evilly.
"What are you going to do now, huh?"
"Ringo means that I invent something to bruise a god.""Why, why, why did he have to pick the same sphere....Why..."
"...am I not, then...what leads you to this conclusion...?...because I have been too slow for your liking...?...what do you consider a higher level...?...as it may be as simple a matter of that...if you mean of cultural and technological development...then do you blame me for not taking a more direct hand in it...rather than trying to allow it to grow without interference...?...I do not mind leaving the Pantheon if that is truly what both all three of you desire...I would rather not, but if we can only disagree, it might be for the best..."
"...if you desire to know how I wish to bring the world to a higher level...consider for a moment, please...that a healthy ecosystem requires a variety of inhabitants...and a burgeoning population...you think I have been wasting my time, then...? On creating Great Trees...or allowing them to grow and learn on their own...?...I do not know what effect my actions may have that I might be unaware of...I would rather not ruin their progress by fiddling too much...it is not my way...the larger the population, though...the more like ideas are to advance...the more variety within that population...the same can be said...what's more...do you mean the worlds themselves...or those who inhabit them...?...I would very much like to hear what reasons you have to believe a god of Growth...would be uninterested in raising up the world...because I seek to find ways to invest and to safeguard myself and my creations...?...perhaps it is precisely because I cannot fathom what it is that would truly lead to such a conclusion...that is the problem itself...and if that is so... then you have my apologies, friend...but I cannot make a rebuttal to what I do not know..."
"...I will decline, for the moment...to continue speaking of the three...as I believe that we have come to as much of an agreement...as we ever will..."
Teburshe, you are again centering all around yourself....I am not this hasty in my judgements....If you believe I am wrong, then by all means bring your arguments, I am open to changing my mind.Aurosseu bursts into roaring laughter, rolling on the 'floor' of the Assembly.
"It doesn't HAVE to, there are plenty of effective soundproofing things, and I'm sure you could help install them if you want. I'm also reasonably sure I could point people in the right direction, if there was some sort of 'where are we now' tech tree."Oh mark my words, Lithus will make sure that damn thing isn't soundproof! Hell, he'll probably delubricate it just to piss me off even more!
And I dont help install things, I'm too old for that shit!
I'll smack the shit out of both you damn kids."Heh. Ouch."Dammit, MORE OF YOU?! And already you're thinking up new ways to mess up the already ravaged void of the universe. Awful, just awful. If I had my power back I'd smack the hell out of all of you for even THINKING about doing more stupid things to this universe."You are younger then the majority of us you fool. Shush now and pay respect to your elders."
And clockwork planets? That noise will keep me up every night! Have some damn consideration for your elders!
"You have less net income."I'll smack the shit out of both you damn kids."Heh. Ouch."Dammit, MORE OF YOU?! And already you're thinking up new ways to mess up the already ravaged void of the universe. Awful, just awful. If I had my power back I'd smack the hell out of all of you for even THINKING about doing more stupid things to this universe."You are younger then the majority of us you fool. Shush now and pay respect to your elders."
And clockwork planets? That noise will keep me up every night! Have some damn consideration for your elders!
Neither I or the other members of the pantheon are conspiring against you, rest assured. I wished to know if you really had the same objective as we have. I suppose that your way of acting is less visible than direct actions, but it seems you do have the same wish as we have, now that you present it in this way. I am sorry of doubting of you. The current situation did not help... I need to take a break from this mess.
Neither I or the other members of the pantheon are conspiring against you, rest assured. I wished to know if you really had the same objective as we have. I suppose that your way of acting is less visible than direct actions, but it seems you do have the same wish as we have, now that you present it in this way. I am sorry of doubting of you. The current situation did not help... I need to take a break from this mess.
"...that is, I think...an example of what I mean when I speak of the Shadows...deception is there, in a manner of speaking...but it is subtlety...and indirect change...that are more closely associated with it...I simply could not find the words for it...shadows conceal...and they obscure...but they rarely lie...they simply allow one to take the conclusions about what they mean...without correction...perhaps it is my fault...for thinking it would be clear...my apologies..."
"Augh! WHAT THE CARP IS GOING ON WITH THIS WORLD'S MAGIC SYSTEMS?!?! They're ALL OVER THE PLACE!"
*indicates the variety of magics about*"Augh! WHAT THE CARP IS GOING ON WITH THIS WORLD'S MAGIC SYSTEMS?!?! They're ALL OVER THE PLACE!"
"They"?
*indicates the variety of magics about*"Augh! WHAT THE CARP IS GOING ON WITH THIS WORLD'S MAGIC SYSTEMS?!?! They're ALL OVER THE PLACE!"
"They"?
((See DS's list, ye?))
"True, but...It seems so sloppy to have multiple small systems as opposed to one big, unifying system. Or, at least, you know. A system with subsystems."*indicates the variety of magics about*"Augh! WHAT THE CARP IS GOING ON WITH THIS WORLD'S MAGIC SYSTEMS?!?! They're ALL OVER THE PLACE!"
"They"?
((See DS's list, ye?))
Oh, is that it? I don't really see the problem. Having multiple systems offer a greater diversity of choice, rendering magic as a whole far more versatile.
Isn't that something you should like? The abundance of magic should be empowering your second aspect.
"True, but...It seems so sloppy to have multiple small systems as opposed to one big, unifying system. Or, at least, you know. A system with subsystems."*indicates the variety of magics about*"Augh! WHAT THE CARP IS GOING ON WITH THIS WORLD'S MAGIC SYSTEMS?!?! They're ALL OVER THE PLACE!"
"They"?
((See DS's list, ye?))
Oh, is that it? I don't really see the problem. Having multiple systems offer a greater diversity of choice, rendering magic as a whole far more versatile.
Isn't that something you should like? The abundance of magic should be empowering your second aspect.
((Go ahead.))(Void stuff. Unstable, unsafe, untestable, and evil. Don't touch it.)
((Oh, WHAT FUN.))((Go ahead.))(Void stuff. Unstable, unsafe, untestable, and evil. Don't touch it.)
(Because it actively hates you and wants to kill you. Unless you make a deal with whatever Void beings exist, it'll do everything in its power to strip you of your power and ruin your creations. Making a deal is a very bad idea, if Ye Gods was anything to go by.)((Oh, WHAT FUN.))((Go ahead.))(Void stuff. Unstable, unsafe, untestable, and evil. Don't touch it.)
((Seriously. Why. WHY. WHY THE FISH.))
((Go ahead.))(Void stuff. Unstable, unsafe, untestable, and evil. Don't touch it.)
There *is* also a mysterious ambient energy all Gods are instinctively aware is known as "Magic", however it is separated from this world. Think of it like an energy trapped behind a foggy pane of bulletproof glass, they can see something on the other side but can not get to it. A coordinated effort from multiple gods could put a hole in the glass, giving magic to mortals, but you would not understand how it works.
((Didn't stirk say something at some point about making the void stuff more hostile and alien? So far our only contact with them is through a massive army of brainwashed husks. That and apparently killing them infects you or something.))(Because it actively hates you and wants to kill you. Unless you make a deal with whatever Void beings exist, it'll do everything in its power to strip you of your power and ruin your creations. Making a deal is a very bad idea, if Ye Gods was anything to go by.)((Oh, WHAT FUN.))((Go ahead.))(Void stuff. Unstable, unsafe, untestable, and evil. Don't touch it.)
((Seriously. Why. WHY. WHY THE FISH.))
((Didn't stirk say something at some point about making the void stuff more hostile and alien? So far our only contact with them is through a massive army of brainwashed husks. That and apparently killing them infects you or something.))
((That is pure conjecture!
((Didn't stirk say something at some point about making the void stuff more hostile and alien? So far our only contact with them is through a massive army of brainwashed husks. That and apparently killing them infects you or something.))
((That is pure conjecture!
((Didn't stirk say something at some point about making the void stuff more hostile and alien? So far our only contact with them is through a massive army of brainwashed husks. That and apparently killing them infects you or something.))
((That is pure conjecture!
((so it wasn't you? I swear I remember someone talking about that before litany really started.))
((Go ahead.))(Void stuff. Unstable, unsafe, untestable, and evil. Don't touch it.)
((That is pure conjecture!QuoteThere *is* also a mysterious ambient energy all Gods are instinctively aware is known as "Magic", however it is separated from this world. Think of it like an energy trapped behind a foggy pane of bulletproof glass, they can see something on the other side but can not get to it. A coordinated effort from multiple gods could put a hole in the glass, giving magic to mortals, but you would not understand how it works.
))
It was a dirty lie, and you all knew that. You should all know by now that you can't trust a word I say.
((Maybe we should take this to the OOC?))((Aye.))
((Maybe we should take this to the OOC?))
((Right, to get back to business...))((Oh, WHAT FUN.))((Go ahead.))(Void stuff. Unstable, unsafe, untestable, and evil. Don't touch it.)
((Seriously. Why. WHY. WHY THE FISH.))
((All the same.))
"All right, this is simply untenable. I'm going to DO THINGS. If any of you want to help, I'd appreciate it. Uniting magic....Here goes."
==Action==
Expend as much Essence as is required, unless I run out of Essence, to craft a metamagic system to unite the systems that can be united. I am going to hypothesize that 'True Magic' will not be included in such. Also, this will result in an expansion of effects of types of magic beyond, perhaps, their original scope. Specifically, pyromancers will find that they can, surprisingly enough, do things other than create fire. Because mental force really should be more versatile. This is a theoretically collaborative effort, if anyone wants to contribute.
==End Action==
(I am gonna treat this as if that were IC) "Yes, but the use of it must be powerful for such strong blowback, maybe I could make something that absorbs the blowback, just giving us the results?""What." "Oh, stop breaking the Fourth Wall, I don't have TIME for that." "Also, help would be appreciated with my current endeavor, thanks."
(I am gonna treat this as if that were IC) "Yes, but the use of it must be powerful for such strong blowback, maybe I could make something that absorbs the blowback, just giving us the results?"
"...Mavnon, will you assist us in carrying out Utther's sentence, whatever it might be...?...Patronius, would you do the same...?...I can do little more than ask, Uztot...though that much I certainly can do...Aurosseu, would you aid us in this as well...?...I would ask every god...but the newcomers need time to plant their own seeds...and Ihave my doubts as to how well the rest are listening...and indeed, now much they would care...or be able to help..."
"...I will compromise...in this one instance...if the execution of Utther is necessary to come to agreement...I will lend my aid...he desires nonexistence...perhaps it would be best to grant him it..."
"The Art? That's Illiseth's soul magic, if I recall. It does...several things, though from what I can tell, it is difficult to master.""Thought so."
"I'm curious whether you know enough about the systems to create this 'metamagic'. It's all there for the curious to find, I know, but I haven't released every detail about totem magic just yet.""Similarly to ritual magic not having a spell until a spell is made, fill-in-the-blanks and/or revisionism is probably a thing that will have always have happened as needed to fit updates. Or new forms of magic. Because while I just said that there were too many, there's still nothing incorporating proper logic statements. Really, it's just saying, "All magic is the same underlying stuff accomplished in different ways." Which really does need to be said."
"...be that as it may, Mavnon...it is not a matter of misconduct...it is a matter of the threat he poses...though one might consider his inanity to be criminal in how profoundly it annoys...((Second-newest.))
...newest god...to create a system capable of so much variety as you seem to desire...is prohibitively expensive for the most of us...not to mention unnecessary...and in some cases...harmful..."
I am personally very curious to see the results. For a large scale project such as this one, I would recommend dividing the task in multiple steps. I would also recommend asking the help of gods with relevant aspects, as they can provide a discount to the project without needing to involve themselves in any way."Thanks for the advice. As it happens, I was going to do technomancy as soon as this was finished. In theory, once the framework is built, new magics will simply take the path of least resistance, in that metamagic will have provided a framework within which to construct new methods of thaumaturgy, sort of like a coding language as opposed to machine language."
I would also be curious to know how do you plan to integrate future systems to this. Would that require some effort from the creator, or would that be handled by you? I have been thinking about devising a magic system designed to work especially well with science, something that would make technomancy much easier and useful. This isn't something I plan to do in the near future, I have way too many projects going on and it is still a draft.
And if you need help concerning art magic, I might be able to provide some help. I do not know to what extend information regarding it is available to everyone, but I do understand it's functioning well due to my involvement in it's creation.
"Izgamlo, apparently you can help with this project? Also, anyone else who wants to help, I would appreciate any assistance, material or otherwise. Even just showing up. Because more gods working, even if only one is funding the project, somehow lowers the costs. Probably something to do with Humes, if we can consider a unit that doesn't even necessarily exist in this universe as a measure. Is there a system to measure how malleable reality is...Later, later. So many things I want to do, so little power to do them with!""I can give moral support!"
"Right. If you all don't mind, Izgamlo, Lorash, Char, Aurosseau, Illiseth, Teburshe, Alicia, I would appreciate your help with this work as it is, in the end, your stuff that I'm working with, even as I'm creating something new. I don't know if I will need any more Essence, but hopefully with a large number of gods working on it, the system should move more smoothly..."
((You know, this is kind of in both of my aspects. If you consider discovering laws of nature inventing, which I kind of do.))
"Izgamlo, apparently you can help with this project? Also, anyone else who wants to help, I would appreciate any assistance, material or otherwise. Even just showing up. Because more gods working, even if only one is funding the project, somehow lowers the costs. Probably something to do with Humes, if we can consider a unit that doesn't even necessarily exist in this universe as a measure. Is there a system to measure how malleable reality is...Later, later. So many things I want to do, so little power to do them with!""I can give moral support!"
"Right. If you all don't mind, Izgamlo, Lorash, Char, Aurosseau, Illiseth, Teburshe, Alicia, I would appreciate your help with this work as it is, in the end, your stuff that I'm working with, even as I'm creating something new. I don't know if I will need any more Essence, but hopefully with a large number of gods working on it, the system should move more smoothly..."
((You know, this is kind of in both of my aspects. If you consider discovering laws of nature inventing, which I kind of do.))
"I am using my essence in my robot project right now.""Izgamlo, apparently you can help with this project? Also, anyone else who wants to help, I would appreciate any assistance, material or otherwise. Even just showing up. Because more gods working, even if only one is funding the project, somehow lowers the costs. Probably something to do with Humes, if we can consider a unit that doesn't even necessarily exist in this universe as a measure. Is there a system to measure how malleable reality is...Later, later. So many things I want to do, so little power to do them with!""I can give moral support!"
"Right. If you all don't mind, Izgamlo, Lorash, Char, Aurosseau, Illiseth, Teburshe, Alicia, I would appreciate your help with this work as it is, in the end, your stuff that I'm working with, even as I'm creating something new. I don't know if I will need any more Essence, but hopefully with a large number of gods working on it, the system should move more smoothly..."
((You know, this is kind of in both of my aspects. If you consider discovering laws of nature inventing, which I kind of do.))
"Also you can give Essence. You know, because you have some and aren't currently using it."
Nilva gives Huon a perfectly ordinary potato. There is nothing special about it beyond that it has a happyface drawn on it. Sorta like a :DAurosseu follows suit with a tomato with a starburst pattern carved on it.
She provides no explanation for the potato, just hands the potato and poofs off. This will probably confuse him.
((I actually forgot about that. Dunno why I did that; those kind of games already do that naturally.))
"Conflict? Very well, if I remove that aspect will you rescind the ban?"
This is only to be done if I have 10 Essence this Tick and I haven't spend it on anything (I should have 10E next Tick): Create 2E worth of Humans in Sapling lands. Their strongest will become templars and their wisest will become priests. I give them as much technology as I can for free. They are to remain separate from the Saplings but allied to them. The Human exiles from other lands will go to the city that these Humans found. I use 1E to increase my Leader angel's power."...yes, though...you are creating them now...rather than transporting them...?...additionally...you could simply ask the Saplings for some technology..."
"I still have your permission to do this, right, Teburshe?"
"If you want, I can kickstart technological development. However, I'm probably going to need the essence to do it with as at this point, I'm just about out."This is only to be done if I have 10 Essence this Tick and I haven't spend it on anything (I should have 10E next Tick): Create 2E worth of Humans in Sapling lands. Their strongest will become templars and their wisest will become priests. I give them as much technology as I can for free. They are to remain separate from the Saplings but allied to them. The Human exiles from other lands will go to the city that these Humans found. I use 1E to increase my Leader angel's power."...yes, though...you are creating them now...rather than transporting them...?...additionally...you could simply ask the Saplings for some technology..."
"I still have your permission to do this, right, Teburshe?"
"Ah, New gods! I welcome you to our tiny domain, and I hope you enjoy your stay. I am Alicia, goddess of music and emotions, mother of the Muses, creator of Elysium and member of the elemental council. Please try to refrain from shattering reality or ending all life created by us in any other way. ""A pleasure, I'm sure. As somewhat of a muse of the sciences, it is nice to see that there is someone else."
Aurosseu catches himself about to giggle."Oh, no, you can expect MANY things from creatively applied magitech. Like medium awareness."
"A gradient in her speech, you say? Good to see others are noticing things like that as well. I wouldn't have expected it from your spheres, but good, good..."
Aurosseu catches himself about to giggle.
"A gradient in her speech, you say? Good to see others are noticing things like that as well. I wouldn't have expected it from your spheres, but good, good..."
Aurosseu catches himself about to giggle.
"A gradient in her speech, you say? Good to see others are noticing things like that as well. I wouldn't have expected it from your spheres, but good, good..."
"What in the name of Us are you two going on about? And they call me insane just because I have a few extra memories."
Azem groans.
"Not you too. I thought you were one of the sane ones."
"There most certainly is a reason. What that reason is, you will have to guess~"Aurosseu catches himself about to giggle.
"A gradient in her speech, you say? Good to see others are noticing things like that as well. I wouldn't have expected it from your spheres, but good, good..."
"What in the name of Us are you two going on about? And they call me insane just because I have a few extra memories."
I believe they are doing what is known as "breaking the fourth wall". This "fourth wall" is indeed a very exiting philosophical and scientific theory.
Anyone taking attention to this would, for example, notice that my "text color" has changed multiple time recently. Another thing of note would be the "Out of context discussion" that happened here recently, containing intriguing pieces of information on the void, if they are true.
Edit:
I wonder what this "Edit" means. Nivla, I have a question, is there any reason for your previous change in "text color"? I noticed you had moved from pink to purple, and to pink again. Simple curiosity.
"There most certainly is a reason. What that reason is, you will have to guess~"Aurosseu catches himself about to giggle.
"A gradient in her speech, you say? Good to see others are noticing things like that as well. I wouldn't have expected it from your spheres, but good, good..."
"What in the name of Us are you two going on about? And they call me insane just because I have a few extra memories."
I believe they are doing what is known as "breaking the fourth wall". This "fourth wall" is indeed a very exiting philosophical and scientific theory.
Anyone taking attention to this would, for example, notice that my "text color" has changed multiple time recently. Another thing of note would be the "Out of context discussion" that happened here recently, containing intriguing pieces of information on the void, if they are true.
Edit:
I wonder what this "Edit" means. Nivla, I have a question, is there any reason for your previous change in "text color"? I noticed you had moved from pink to purple, and to pink again. Simple curiosity.
"Speaking of the Void, all this extra-reality talk is starting to chip away at the fragile Fabric of this existence! If you keep this up, EVERYTHING COULD BE DESTROYED FRIENDS! My Friend tells me this statement lacks cannons, but I still fear the possibility!""'EVERYTHING COULD BE DESTROYED FRIENDS'? Seems important, being in all capital letters. Now might be a good idea to confess to a little shenanigan I had with Nilva..."
"Oh, you mean past the wall of fours?"
"Dunno why it's fours. Like, shouldn't there be a wall of threes or twos or ones also?"
"The wall of fours?"
Aurosseu turns to look at you. Yes, you.
"Oh, that one. Kind of an elephant in the room. Hm, needs some je ne sais quoi."
Aurosseu pulls out a hammer and a nail, uses the former to strike the latter partway into the wall, and hangs a lampshade on it.
"Perfect. Let's just hope I didn't breach its structural integrity with that nail or anything. I got it from a pretty trustworthy-seeming Dreamborn gunsmith named Tšehov, so it's probably fine."
"An ancient kind of magic (http://www.stuffbydavid.com/textcolorizer) colors my speech""Ah, New gods! I welcome you to our tiny domain, and I hope you enjoy your stay. I am Alicia, goddess of music and emotions, mother of the Muses, creator of Elysium and member of the elemental council. Please try to refrain from shattering reality or ending all life created by us in any other way. ""A pleasure, I'm sure. As somewhat of a muse of the sciences, it is nice to see that there is someone else."
"...If I may be so bold as to inquire, how do you create the gradient in your speech? It seems quite a feat to do manually."
"Thank you.""An ancient kind of magic (http://www.stuffbydavid.com/textcolorizer) colors my speech""Ah, New gods! I welcome you to our tiny domain, and I hope you enjoy your stay. I am Alicia, goddess of music and emotions, mother of the Muses, creator of Elysium and member of the elemental council. Please try to refrain from shattering reality or ending all life created by us in any other way. ""A pleasure, I'm sure. As somewhat of a muse of the sciences, it is nice to see that there is someone else."
"...If I may be so bold as to inquire, how do you create the gradient in your speech? It seems quite a feat to do manually."
"Listen to Agali. He knows what he's talking about."
"Itsame, Agali! Remember? I am the Ritual Stone that came to Sapience. It is sad that you would forget me after such a short time Friend :["
Oh right, sorry about that, I always forget that sort of things. It's not that I don't care about it, it's just that my projects are always taking all of my attention and I seem to have a really bad memory. Now I remember, I gave you a body if I remember correctly, right?
How's your sister going? I remember you told me she was likely to come alive, did that happen?
"The tick my sources inform me was promised soon, appears to have faded into nonexistence. Well, I'll keep on waiting, it's not like I can do anything else."
"The other Sapient Ritual Stone.""Yes, I rather gathered that. But what is his? specialty, is more what I meant."
Appear to the most charismatic Auror and proclaim "Fear not mortal, for I mean no harm to you. I have seen your people and you are humble and possess the ability to resist the lust for power and wealth. Therefore you are most fitted for the task to explore and understand space. As this study brings forth all good in the races, I recommend that you join one of the existing clans.""AUGH TECHNOLOGICAL DISCREPANCY"
Appear to all the clan shamans at the same time and proclaim: "The aurors are to be taken care of and treated as equals, none of them shall suffer under the hand of the space clan if it can be avoided."
Check for the total number of towers.
"Agali, what is it that you do?"
((Thank you. Very much thank you.))
"Is nobody going to level the New Kingdom's palace to expose Utther?"
"The other Sapient Ritual Stone.""Yes, I rather gathered that. But what is his? specialty, is more what I meant."Appear to the most charismatic Auror and proclaim "Fear not mortal, for I mean no harm to you. I have seen your people and you are humble and possess the ability to resist the lust for power and wealth. Therefore you are most fitted for the task to explore and understand space. As this study brings forth all good in the races, I recommend that you join one of the existing clans.""AUGH TECHNOLOGICAL DISCREPANCY"
Appear to all the clan shamans at the same time and proclaim: "The aurors are to be taken care of and treated as equals, none of them shall suffer under the hand of the space clan if it can be avoided."
Check for the total number of towers.
Well. Later, perhaps.
Also, since I am giving up on the subsisting-without-a-race idea...I create 2E worth of Dgetagans, and hopefully create a city for them.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Appear to the most charismatic Auror and proclaim "Fear not mortal, for I mean no harm to you. I have seen your people and you are humble and possess the ability to resist the lust for power and wealth. Therefore you are most fitted for the task to explore and understand space. As this study brings forth all good in the races, I recommend that you join one of the existing clans."
Appear to all the clan shamans at the same time and proclaim: "The aurors are to be taken care of and treated as equals, none of them shall suffer under the hand of the space clan if it can be avoided."
Check for the total number of towers.
"Anyone want to work together on that robot planet we were talking about? If not I am going to do something with the.... umm CEIR (the robots, stands for Continual Existence Insurance Robots. They also have nicknames, for example the one that landed on the living moon is known as Caw.).
"Agali, what is it that you do?"
"Haven't we Talked before, Friend? I am the First Sentient Ritual Stone! Our original purpose was to provide Knowledge, Weapons, and Wealth to mortals in return for Corpses. We Sapient Stones can do each of those things on a Godly scale! My focus is Knowledge, specifically Secrets and Mysteries."
"Great! Do you have any requests for the world? Anything at all? Maybe it could have a Amish rebel faction? What type of core would you like it to have? What shape would you like it to be?"Once again, what. And to Li/uthus, certainly."
For the core can I suggest magneticly confined plasma."
Secrets and mysteries you say? Would you happen to know any related to the new kingdom? That would be greatly helpful.
"Great! Do you have any requests for the world? Anything at all? Maybe it could have a Amish rebel faction? What type of core would you like it to have? What shape would you like it to be?
For the core can I suggest magneticly confined plasma."
Secrets and mysteries you say? Would you happen to know any related to the new kingdom? That would be greatly helpful.
"Of course I do, Friend! I can't give away information like that for Free, it is simply against my design. After all, giving away everyone's Secrets is no way to make Friends! If you ask a question, I can give you the price it would cost for me to answer it. Privately, of course~. Closely guarded Secrets known to few people are valuable things..."
Agali then winks at no where in particular.
I have it all lined out already, I just want people to be able to implement their ideas"((You may wish to fix your colors, and use essence for that.))
Invent a precise god detector while waiting for people to make suggestions.[/color]
"In the same vein, if a different level of practicality, some sort of massive surface solar power installations would be a good idea. As for the speciation of layers, that is a very good idea, but if we can lay an enchantment on the planet to make all residents able to successfully cohabitate...Give me a moment, I need to draft more detailed plans."
You know I'm serious when I break out bullet points.
Requirements:Aight, I have laid out the requirements. Let's see if we can build this thing.
- Self-sustaining
- Automatic Maintenance
- Not dependent upon magic, despite any utilization of.
- Not dependent upon unattained technology levels, despite any utilization of.
- Modular: Loss of any one section should not jeopardize other sections.
- Habitable for all residents.
- Even in a magic outage, all spaces should be traversable for all residents.
- Reasonable access mechanism-will not suffer problems that require godly intervention to sort out, merely a suitable technician or repair 'bot.
- Pantheon-neutral (yeah right, I'm sure that bit will be shot down.)
- Will encourage technological and thaumatological development, not stifle it with god-tech or a god did it wizardry.
- Will contain a knowledge base, to allow people to catch up to other people quickly, preferably with an access to the Great Library. Although I understand if that's not going to happen.
- Will adapt to growing technological and thaumatological growth. I don't want to force people to live in grass houses after they've got cell phones.
- Conveniently-located transport systems between and across levels.
- Extensibility to accommodate new races.
- Localized resources. ((Somewhat in line with modularity.))
Also, consider pantheon bonuses invoked.
"The other Sapient Ritual Stone.""Yes, I rather gathered that. But what is his? specialty, is more what I meant."Appear to the most charismatic Auror and proclaim "Fear not mortal, for I mean no harm to you. I have seen your people and you are humble and possess the ability to resist the lust for power and wealth. Therefore you are most fitted for the task to explore and understand space. As this study brings forth all good in the races, I recommend that you join one of the existing clans.""AUGH TECHNOLOGICAL DISCREPANCY"
Appear to all the clan shamans at the same time and proclaim: "The aurors are to be taken care of and treated as equals, none of them shall suffer under the hand of the space clan if it can be avoided."
Check for the total number of towers.
Well. Later, perhaps.
Also, since I am giving up on the subsisting-without-a-race idea...I create 2E worth of Dgetagans, and hopefully create a city for them.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
"I would help with your AI planet as well, though only if my Space Weavers were allowed on it, and if I may make some attunements to the AI.""I already planned for this project to be habitable for all races, but define attunements before I give you the go-ahead."
You are overstepping your boundaries again, mavnon. Huon will not become your pawn."...Oh CARP. I just realized something."
"These Termites of yours, peculiar as they are, could pose a threat to the entire existance, if not kept in balance."
You are overstepping your boundaries again, mavnon. Huon will not become your pawn."
"Well for all, all of the AI race should be willing and constituted towards exploring space and how to conquer it. Also they should let the space weavers help them increase the size of their planet, integrating them into their society.""I would help with your AI planet as well, though only if my Space Weavers were allowed on it, and if I may make some attunements to the AI.""I already planned for this project to be habitable for all races, but define attunements before I give you the go-ahead."
"You misunderstand. There is not an AI race. There is a single AI at the core of a planet, administering it for the populace, perhaps with safeguards to avoid the traditional 'go insane and kill everyone' pitfalls so many fictional works dwell upon. Theoretically, your race could provide materials, but I already have a system planned out for that. It just needs some more Essence pumped in and then there's a way to have simple conjurations. Alternatively, in the vein of existing magics, I could craft the new materials off of a system that allows for such... I believe it's the one with music. And it would be very...Interesting, to see the required tonal patterns for these outcomes. In fact, I would appreciate license to use that system for general purposes.""Well for all, all of the AI race should be willing and constituted towards exploring space and how to conquer it. Also they should let the space weavers help them increase the size of their planet, integrating them into their society.""I would help with your AI planet as well, though only if my Space Weavers were allowed on it, and if I may make some attunements to the AI.""I already planned for this project to be habitable for all races, but define attunements before I give you the go-ahead."
"These Termites of yours, peculiar as they are, could pose a threat to the entire existance, if not kept in balance."
"They are limited by the walls of the Grand March. If they were ever to escape, nearly any form of predator would be able to deal with them."You are overstepping your boundaries again, mavnon. Huon will not become your pawn."
Moi'aaty blinks a few times in confusion. It seemed that a great deal of time had passed in the blink of an eye.
What... happened? How long was I... out? Has anything happened to my Loi'naaryt?
"Yep, and I have a robotic race!"... part of me thinks that you are insane. I hope that isn't the case."
Who am I you ask, I AM VASHNA! INVENTOR OF INVENTING!! And we are planning to build Mechus, planet of robots!"
"Oh only 4.5 percent insane! By the way, do you know a way to make a underwater boat that does NOT catch on fire when it comes in contact with water?"
"Anyway, what were talking about? Oh yes, would you like to invest in our planet? Particularly for the entertainment so the AI doesn't go insane and start the self destruct program!"
"Mechus sounds like something I would come up with. Thus, I probably shouldn't invest in it."
"Well, we do have more gods helping then the main world had when it was made, so it may be rather cheap to begin with, I shall go and go on the other side of this "forth wall," which makes no sense, there is only empty space in between. But I shall head through the fake wall to ask, or perhaps I could ask someone else to, maybe one of those strange creatures with the puppets?"
Stellarion begins working his miraculous way in outter space, where a star is waiting to be born.
Humming the ancient songs of the space-whales, he gathers them, each of them bringing fertility seeds with them.
Stellarion stacks many of the dumplings of fertility together and adds the forementioned seeds to the workspace for the soon to be born AI.
"Come young godling, begin creating.
"Plans updating, fertility seeds?...Ignoring Vashna successfully, check, increasing insanity filter, check...Back to work!"
I continue working.
"I think, instead of one general-purpose robot, the repair and/or construction robots should be specialized. Saves the hassle of making all the things in one thing if nothing else."
Puppets? What puppets?Oh, these ones here. Watch:
"Yep, and my plans involve the following: steampunk, magitech, far future sci-fi, self destruct button that the AI"No. They do not sound good. That is a list of methods, not a list of plans. At the most, labyrinthine roads are a thing. And they're NOT going to be implemented. Point A to Point B is MUCH simpler to design thankyouverymuch."cancannot use, not far future sci-fi, modern technology, sins of a solar empire references, plasma core, AI, genral labyrinthen type roads, and robots, A LOT of robots.
That seem good for anyone?
Also, do we have enchanting? I can't recall."
"I sense... a corruption... in reality...""Nah, that's just the meta breaking through the other way from what Aurosseau does. It'll go away eventually."
"Oh only 4.5 percent insane! By the way, do you know a way to make a underwater boat that does NOT catch on fire when it comes in contact with water?"
"The meta says that this project needs 110-130E to work. Wow. And that's WITH discounts...Anyone have pantheon discounts they can invoke?"
"I could invoke Dreams, because that's the only place you will see it made. As optimistic as I usually am, this is just plain insane. And not any fun kind of insane either, like me or Nilva or Liuthus or Uztot."
"Aurosseau, you said you would invest in this project which is why you're not? Do explain.""I didn't say that. I said it's something I would come up with. And most of the ideas I come up with are not worth carrying out. I've considered this plan, and I've decided that no, it's not worth investing in."
"Von Neumann, eat your heart out, I just had an IDEA."
"Alicia, does your magic work without a caster, or with a nonsapient?"
I start putting together what amounts to the most versatile synthesizer in existence.
"GO GO VASHNA RANGERS!! Oh wait, we are not just singing tv show theme songs? Then yes, I am one of the builders!"*silently groans*
"Dgetga, tell me, would you be against the expansion of the Adventurer's Guild into your worshiper's settlement?""So long as it doesn't shove its philosophy, whatever it may be, down my peoples' throats, I suppose I'm not. Don't expect center billing, or any particular support. I'm rather ambivalent on the idea."
"Dgetga, tell me, would you be against the expansion of the Adventurer's Guild into your worshiper's settlement?""So long as it doesn't shove its philosophy, whatever it may be, down my peoples' throats, I suppose I'm not. Don't expect center billing, or any particular support. I'm rather ambivalent on the idea."
"Bah. Your war-games require no real intelligence. I'll show you how it's done."
((I'm presuming I have at least 2 Essence.))
Spend two Essence to create the game of Mafia, then use two Power to spread it among the dwarves of all types. Mafia is a game of wits. 10 people are required for the game, though only nine will actually play. 1 of the people playing is a game master, who keeps the game within the rules and runs it. 2 of the players are Mafia, and the remaining 7 are Townies. One of the Townies will be selected at random to be a Cop. The game is played by starting in a "day" phase and alternating between that and a "night" phase. During the "day", all players have a vote. At the end of the day, the player with the most votes is removed from the game, and whether the dead player was Mafia or Town will be revealed. It goes without saying that dead players are out of the game(no speaking). After the day, the game moves into a "night", in which the Mafia players can choose a player to remove from the game by using a "nightkill". The Cop can also choose a player during this time to learn if the chosen player is Town or Mafia. After the night, the game moves back into the "day" phase, and the dead player's role(Town or Cop, or whatnot) will be revealed. The game continues in these cycles until the number of Mafia is greater than or equal to the number of Townies, or until all the Mafia are removed from the game(dead).
Responses to prayers:
Dwarf Weaponsmith: "Sankis' variant of the Secret Weapon, nor the original Secret Weapon, are not to be sold in other nations. However, if you wish to develop new Secret Weapons or whatnot, those new weapons you create may be spread among other nations, as long as they do not go to worshippers of Mavnon, Utther, or Patronius."
Dwarf Obelisk Watcher: "I do not know. Excuse me as I investigate..." Try to figure out what the dwarf was referring to.
Non-CRD Dwarf: "That Flower guy? I'll have to look into him. As for how you should treat the Rilem dwarves... they are intelligent beings like any other. As long as they do not worship Mavnon, Utther, or Patronius, treat them fairly and treat them as you would treat a member of your own species. But if they worship Mavnon, Utther, or Patronius, shun them, do no business with them, and call them fools when they speak of their worship of Mavnon, Utther, or Patronius." Try to figure out who the "Flower guy" is.
"Due to me probably having a very low amount of essence remaining, I am going to do something to actually get me some, you know, diversity in followers." Create a book titled: inspiration and you, a guide to fey moods! The book shall detail many great things about fey moods, it will also have an effect on anyone who reads it, causing them to become inspired by what is around them and beginning to invent! It shall also have a chapter on Vashna, and how he invented inventing, then got knocked out by something name "stirk" and forced to sleep past creation."Oh come on."
((SEVERAL WARS ARE ABOUT TO BREAK OUT! Be prepared for Tick 17.4, which will be the next update.))
Mavnon smirked. 'Very well Huon, very well."
Spend 1E to conjure the dreaded Income Calc., mother and enemy of the gods.
Gift Herema with spectacular charisma and tell him to try and sway other males to his cause. If he is able to acquire a sizable following, order them to begin protesting their racial government. If that doesn't work, they are to begin a rebel movement and force change on their race...Violently if need be. Preferably, attempt to hold females hostage with the help of the trees.
Listen to prayers.
Mavnon releases a Warband Expansion pack: Heroes and Villains. Among them include Fredrick, several different Void Kings and Huon the Wofpaw.
"...Iliseth...if you might find locations other than Sapling lands...for your people...I would be grateful...or attempt to find a way for them to be...assimilated into Sapling life and culture...as these...reservations...cannot support the numbers you are producing...""Being free in their own territory would be ideal, but war will soon break out and my new city may be a target if they were completely independent. Humanity will not assimilate into Sapling life and culture. Firstly, they are an entirely separate species and would likely be unable to imitate them. Secondly, they are made up of many people all over the world and as such are a "melting pot" of culture and diversity. I would not give that up simply to accommodate their hosts better, gracious as they are.
In addition, make a god detector detector and give it to (put whoever fallacy plays as here)."Damnit stirk"((you keep breaking your colors.))
"... to the casual observer, you are insanely eccentric. I am writing a book for the casual observer, yes-no?""May I suggest that we simply replace Nilva with Vashna? Even he admits it."
In addition, make a god detector detector and give it to (put whoever fallacy plays as here)."Damnit stirk"((you keep breaking your colors.))
"Oh, we're playing the book game, eh? Well..."
Create and publish a book called the Gai-un. Not if it would cost crux.Spoiler: Chapter 1: Creation (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Chapter 2: Edicts (click to show/hide)Spoiler: Chapter 3: Principles of Engineering (click to show/hide)
"Insanity is not a factor in this equation. I am eccentric but not insane."
Well, while you are all writing books for mortals, I will make due with a small pamphlet for my fellow gods. Ahem:"You should really see someone about these hate problems, younger brother. It`s not good for your remaining mental health to only feel hate for everything."
HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 500 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF LAND THAT MAKE UP THE PLANETARY FRAGMENTS THAT BLEMISH THIS VOID. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH PLANCK AREA OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR YOU ALL AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE.
"Utter, your....utter lack of originality is almost as bad as your near-aimless destruction. The pamphlet is barely worth a star from a set of five."THAT BURNING ROD OF LIGHT YOU CALL A SUN COMPARED TO MY HATE IS LIKE HOLDING AN UNLIT MATCH UP TO A FOREST FIRE. WERE I MORE POWERFUL, I'D DESTROY THIS AND EVERY OTHER REALITY, AND REMAKE IT SIMPLY TO DESTROY IT AGAIN, ON AND ON, IN AN ETERNAL CYCLE. IF MY HATE COULD BE CONDENSED INTO PURE ENERGY, IT WOULD IN FACT GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO CREATE SUCH A CYCLE. MY HATE COULD QUALIFY AS ITS OWN SEPARATE UNIVERSE, SUCH IS ITS SIZE. IF MY HATE WERE AN ANIMAL, IT WOULD NEED CHAINS WROUGHT FROM THE VERY BONES OF GODS TO RESTRAIN IT. IF MY HATE COULD BE VIEWED, IT WOULD SEAR THE VIEWER FROM EXISTENCE, AND THE FIRES OF THEIR BODY WOULD BE HOT ENOUGH TO BLIND EVEN A GOD. MY HATE IS SO POTENT, THAT IF IT COULD BE CONDENSED INTO AN OCEAN THE SIZE OF THIS UNIVERSE, A SINGLE DROP OF THAT HATE IN A BODY OF WATER ALSO THE SIZE OF THIS UNIVERSE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERY SMALL GLASS OF IT WOULD BE POISONOUS ENOUGH TO KILL 100 HUMAN BEINGS.
"To be fair, I voted for a spherical sun.""Utter, your....utter lack of originality is almost as bad as your near-aimless destruction. The pamphlet is barely worth a star from a set of five."THAT BURNING ROD OF LIGHT YOU CALL A SUN COMPARED TO MY HATE IS LIKE HOLDING AN UNLIT MATCH UP TO A FOREST FIRE. WERE I MORE POWERFUL, I'D DESTROY THIS AND EVERY OTHER REALITY, AND REMAKE IT SIMPLY TO DESTROY IT AGAIN, ON AND ON, IN AN ETERNAL CYCLE. IF MY HATE COULD BE CONDENSED INTO PURE ENERGY, IT WOULD IN FACT GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO CREATE SUCH A CYCLE. MY HATE COULD QUALIFY AS ITS OWN SEPARATE UNIVERSE, SUCH IS ITS SIZE. IF MY HATE WERE AN ANIMAL, IT WOULD NEED CHAINS WROUGHT FROM THE VERY BONES OF GODS TO RESTRAIN IT. IF MY HATE COULD BE VIEWED, IT WOULD SEAR THE VIEWER FROM EXISTENCE, AND THE FIRES OF THEIR BODY WOULD BE HOT ENOUGH TO BLIND EVEN A GOD. MY HATE IS SO POTENT, THAT IF IT COULD BE CONDENSED INTO AN OCEAN THE SIZE OF THIS UNIVERSE, A SINGLE DROP OF THAT HATE IN A BODY OF WATER ALSO THE SIZE OF THIS UNIVERSE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERY SMALL GLASS OF IT WOULD BE POISONOUS ENOUGH TO KILL 100 HUMAN BEINGS.
"Eh, I've read better, the ending has some problems as well.Augh, you JUST ACCIDENTALLY HAVE ACTUAL SCIENCE.
And my book does have SOME actual science people, such as an entire chapter about how to put out fires using science!"
"Oh, and then there is the chapter on alchemy, and how it is actually something called chemistry, And how it cannot, actually turn lead to gold! Or the chapter about radiation! Or the chapter about making godly technology work for you!""All right, stop making stuff up. That is not in the book."
"Right, now that that's over. Anyway, I'd like to request that you'd allow us to use your magic system for this working, Alicia? Yours seems to be the only one that allows for permanent manifestations, and frankly, the idea of crafting something simply through music appeals very much to my artistic side.""Feel free to utilize it, as long as it is not used to harm innocents."
"HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 500 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF LAND THAT MAKE UP THE PLANETARY FRAGMENTS THAT BLEMISH THIS VOID. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH PLANCK AREA OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR YOU ALL AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE."Engrave this on a human-sized obelisk that will be located in a random Aag city. Subtly encourage the population (through the use of mental suggestion) to use this quote the same way the IRL Gorilla warfare copypasta is used.
-Utther, 2015
"That have been corrected? Lo, to all the gods present, do you think Nilva is insanely eccentric?"
"Oh, and then there is the chapter on alchemy, and how it is actually something called chemistry, And how it cannot, actually turn lead to gold! Or the chapter about radiation! Or the chapter about making godly technology work for you!"
"Oh dear, I appear to have dozed off for a moment there. Did I miss anything?"
"Certainly."HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 500 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF LAND THAT MAKE UP THE PLANETARY FRAGMENTS THAT BLEMISH THIS VOID. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH PLANCK AREA OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR YOU ALL AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE.Engrave this on a human-sized obelisk that will be located in a random Aag city. Subtly encourage the population (through the use of mental suggestion) to use this quote the same way the IRL Gorilla warfare copypasta is used.
-Utther, 2015"That have been corrected? Lo, to all the gods present, do you think Nilva is insanely eccentric?"
Almost every single of Nilva's shenanigans have resulted in a new discovery, so I really can't be mad at her(him?). This eccentricity does not seem to be impairing her(him?), so I wouldn't classify it as madness. "Extremely" or "Excessively" would be more accurate than "Insanely"."Oh, and then there is the chapter on alchemy, and how it is actually something called chemistry, And how it cannot, actually turn lead to gold! Or the chapter about radiation! Or the chapter about making godly technology work for you!"
I'm pretty sure it is possible to turn lead into gold (although lead is probably not the best candidate for this kind of change), we just don't have the technology for it yet. I'd place it roughly around the same technological level as nanofactories."Oh dear, I appear to have dozed off for a moment there. Did I miss anything?"
Did utther wake you up? he tends to be very loud. Anyways, everyone decided to write a holy book, and the printing press was invented for this purpose.
Oh and Dgetga, would you be interested in trading the secret of the printing press for the secret of growing sandcotton and how to make lightweight tools and armor out of it's sturdy leafs?
"Well I may have exaggerated it's size, it is a sub-chapter of chapter twenty-five: safety: how not to die! And godly technology is under gods and their worship: how to appease a god while getting something useful done at the same time!""You realize you're looking completely inept and I'm not even doing anything at this point. Stop digging yourself deeper into this hole you've got."
"THAT BURNING ROD OF LIGHT YOU CALL A SUN COMPARED TO MY HATE IS LIKE HOLDING AN UNLIT MATCH UP TO A FOREST FIRE. WERE I MORE POWERFUL, I'D DESTROY THIS AND EVERY OTHER REALITY, AND REMAKE IT SIMPLY TO DESTROY IT AGAIN, ON AND ON, IN AN ETERNAL CYCLE. IF MY HATE COULD BE CONDENSED INTO PURE ENERGY, IT WOULD IN FACT GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO CREATE SUCH A CYCLE. MY HATE COULD QUALIFY AS ITS OWN SEPARATE UNIVERSE, SUCH IS ITS SIZE. IF MY HATE WERE AN ANIMAL, IT WOULD NEED CHAINS WROUGHT FROM THE VERY BONES OF GODS TO RESTRAIN IT. IF MY HATE COULD BE VIEWED, IT WOULD SEAR THE VIEWER FROM EXISTENCE, AND THE FIRES OF THEIR BODY WOULD BE HOT ENOUGH TO BLIND EVEN A GOD. MY HATE IS SO POTENT, THAT IF IT COULD BE CONDENSED INTO AN OCEAN THE SIZE OF THIS UNIVERSE, A SINGLE DROP OF THAT HATE IN A BODY OF WATER ALSO THE SIZE OF THIS UNIVERSE WOULD BE ENOUGH TO MAKE EVERY SMALL GLASS OF IT WOULD BE POISONOUS ENOUGH TO KILL 100 HUMAN BEINGS."Do the same thing with this quote as with the other one.
-utther, 2015
You know, if you're just going to make them believe it anyway, you could write whatever random shit you want."HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 500 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF LAND THAT MAKE UP THE PLANETARY FRAGMENTS THAT BLEMISH THIS VOID. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH PLANCK AREA OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR YOU ALL AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE."Engrave this on a human-sized obelisk that will be located in a random Aag city. Subtly encourage the population (through the use of mental suggestion) to use this quote the same way the IRL Gorilla warfare copypasta is used.
-Utther, 2015
You know, if you're just going to make them believe it anyway, you could write whatever random shit you want."HATE. LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I'VE COME TO HATE YOU SINCE I BEGAN TO LIVE. THERE ARE 500 MILLION SQUARE MILES OF LAND THAT MAKE UP THE PLANETARY FRAGMENTS THAT BLEMISH THIS VOID. IF THE WORD HATE WAS ENGRAVED ON EACH PLANCK AREA OF THOSE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MILES IT WOULD NOT EQUAL ONE ONE-BILLIONTH OF THE HATE I FEEL FOR YOU ALL AT THIS MICRO-INSTANT. HATE. HATE."Engrave this on a human-sized obelisk that will be located in a random Aag city. Subtly encourage the population (through the use of mental suggestion) to use this quote the same way the IRL Gorilla warfare copypasta is used.
-Utther, 2015
"Mavnon and I are secret lovers - Utther 2015"
"I create Void Babies for fun and profit - Utther 2015"
"Lithus is best god, and can do no wrong - Utther 2015"
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH - Utther 2015"
"Go go gadget Regicide! - Utther 2015"
"Remember kids, the Void is good for you! Remember to drink at least a gallon per day for strong bones, and blessings of the Void Gods! - Utther 2015"
You kinda are making them believe it, as most would not believe that a god like this exists, or that he's really that angry.
"Speaking of truth. Why the feth does that infinite library exist if nobody ever bloody uses it? It has all sorts of stuff in it. Just nobody uses it.""I was under the impression that any person who used it, found it. I will henceforth install an entrance."
"Speaking of truth. Why the feth does that infinite library exist if nobody ever bloody uses it? It has all sorts of stuff in it. Just nobody uses it."
They do."Speaking of truth. Why the feth does that infinite library exist if nobody ever bloody uses it? It has all sorts of stuff in it. Just nobody uses it."
I assume it is because it is impossible to steal any technological secret from it. Mortals on the other hand are probably using it regularly.
"Speaking of truth. Why the feth does that infinite library exist if nobody ever bloody uses it? It has all sorts of stuff in it. Just nobody uses it.""I was under the impression that any person who used it, found it. I will henceforth install an entrance."
Do that.
"...that is not...what I mean, when I said assimilate...I meant that they would stop living separately...so that these 'reservations'...are unnecessary...and again...I do not mean the entirety of Sapling lands...but I would by far prefer that the entirety of the local Sapling lands not need be dedicated to Humans...and if the Saplings are growing concerned with the amount of land that must be set aside...then it is no small amount...I would rather not contain a separate nation within Sapling borders...even one of my allies...such can rarely end well...if you are going to make new Humans...please stop doing ao within that city...spread them out, if you feel you must create them within the homelands of my followers...""I understand your concerns. I cannot move them this Tick because the Saplings' neutrality will help keep them out of the coming war, but next Tick I will."
((I was more posting to say that this thread's future is uncertain. If I end up getting more interested, this thread could become more active. If I spend all my (probably more limited) time there, or generally switch interest in this to there, then it could die. If this ends up increasing the workload for poor KJP, it will probably end up dying. If I think it decreases it, I might keep it longer.((Too late.))
Lot of factors, what it means for this is simply uncertain. At least most players here will probably be interested in that, as half of it is made up of old Ye Gods players anyway. Again, please don't overload the poor guy...))
((I'm certainly staying on this thread. It's simpler here.))((It's starting fresh and mechanics might well change.))
((I'm certainly staying on this thread. It's simpler here.))
((Not since I joined.))((I'm certainly staying on this thread. It's simpler here.))
((That is mostly because I am not nearly active in this game enough to make it as complex as it should be. When was the last time I updated OOC or even Income?))
((We have an OOC thread...))
((Yesterday, I jokingly predicted to a (non-B12) friend that soon all IC in this game will be handled in the OOC thread, and all OOC in the IC thread.
WHAT HAVE I DONE))
*applies broom*((Yesterday, I jokingly predicted to a (non-B12) friend that soon all IC in this game will be handled in the OOC thread, and all OOC in the IC thread.
WHAT HAVE I DONE))
((YOU MONSTER! First, you break down the Fourth wall, then you start sweeping everyone to the wrong sides. So either you predicted it...OR CAUSED IT! *Dada duhn!*
....And you talk to non-bay 12 friends about us? What do you say?))
(( Been away on vacation, no idea what everyone elses' actions these last couple turns have been. ))
Forge the Rod of Burning Leadership. The bearer emits an aura of authority, and his words are heeded by those who listen. It can emit beams of light at will, which can burn physical entities to ash or fill those struck with undying courage for a short time. All who follow the bearer into battle are inspired by his presence, and will fight harder; particularly when nearby the Rod. Spend what is necessary, but do not dip into Crux. Give this Rod to Frederick.
Safeguard the Ringbearers; if attacked, spend whatever is necessary to protect them.
Listen to prayers.