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Title: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Daetrin on June 23, 2010, 07:09:04 pm
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Admittedly it has no sand, but if you use a 4x4 embark and get in the right place you get an upright spoiler.  For me the big draw is a volcano and a water source right next to each other, on flat terrain.  Yes you don't need a volcano, but it saves a lot of time- and FPS-eating labor.
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A similar embark that works for 31.16 can be found later in the thread here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60021.msg1647596#msg1647596)
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Snook on June 23, 2010, 08:12:30 pm
Well I tried this out and it's certainly a unique spot. I think I'll build something here.

And an upright spoiler? Eh?
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Diablous on June 23, 2010, 08:13:23 pm
Nice.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Itnetlolor on June 23, 2010, 08:14:54 pm
Nice setup. Ideas for this location?

BTW, you can buy sand in the latest version, right? Then glassmaking shouldn't be too much of an issue.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Diablous on June 23, 2010, 08:16:16 pm
Quote from: Itnetlolor on June 23, 2010, 08:14:54 pm
Nice setup. Ideas for this location?

BTW, you can buy sand in the latest version, right? Then glassmaking shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Indeed, you can.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Snook on June 23, 2010, 08:29:19 pm
Ideas, anyone?

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I got a cavern collapse on embark, and a ton of smoke/magma mist/whatever. There's a hill on the left, only 2z of usable rock. The hill to the right is tall but narrow. The shrubland extends out to the north, and doesn't have too many trees.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Itnetlolor on June 23, 2010, 09:17:25 pm
A city made of obsidian. It may require either a ton of obsidian blocks, or one hell of a casting.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Daetrin on June 23, 2010, 09:24:34 pm
Quote from: Snook on June 23, 2010, 08:12:30 pm
Well I tried this out and it's certainly a unique spot. I think I'll build something here.

And an upright spoiler? Eh?
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Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:06:22 pm
Found this one using the same WorldGen info, but with Ironhand .40.

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Flux, Obsidian, Sand. No sedimentary unfortunately, but with magma, who needs coal! :)


34 levels from Dwarves to top of mountain (upwards). (Volcano extends a bit more than that).
34 levels from Dwarves to river (downwards).
86 levels underground.

Oh, and the mountain is pretty much a sheer drop.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: DarthCloakedDwarf on June 23, 2010, 10:43:57 pm
Quote from: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:06:22 pm
Found this one using the same WorldGen info, but with Ironhand .40.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Flux, Obsidian, Sand. No sedimentary unfortunately, but with magma, who needs coal! :)


34 levels from Dwarves to top of mountain (upwards). (Volcano extends a bit more than that).
34 levels from Dwarves to river (downwards).
86 levels underground.

Oh, and the mountain is pretty much a sheer drop.
Flux is worthless without sedimentary. Iron ores only occur in sedimentary.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:46:43 pm
Quote from: DarthCloakedDwarf on June 23, 2010, 10:43:57 pm
Quote from: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:06:22 pm
Found this one using the same WorldGen info, but with Ironhand .40.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Flux, Obsidian, Sand. No sedimentary unfortunately, but with magma, who needs coal! :)


34 levels from Dwarves to top of mountain (upwards). (Volcano extends a bit more than that).
34 levels from Dwarves to river (downwards).
86 levels underground.

Oh, and the mountain is pretty much a sheer drop.
Flux is worthless without sedimentary. Iron ores only occur in sedimentary.

Uh, no they don't. Hematite (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Hematite) also occurs in Igneous Extrusive Layers (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Igneous_extrusive), and I have tons of it ;p Plenty of gold, copper and some platinum too so far.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: DarthCloakedDwarf on June 23, 2010, 10:51:22 pm
Quote from: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:46:43 pm
Igneous Extrusive Layers (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Igneous_extrusive), and I have tons of it ;p Plenty of gold, copper and some platinum too so far.
...huh. I did not know that.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:59:25 pm
Quote from: DarthCloakedDwarf on June 23, 2010, 10:51:22 pm
Quote from: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:46:43 pm
Igneous Extrusive Layers (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Igneous_extrusive), and I have tons of it ;p Plenty of gold, copper and some platinum too so far.
...huh. I did not know that.

;)
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: AtomicPaperclip on June 24, 2010, 01:57:50 am
Quote from: Itnetlolor on June 23, 2010, 08:14:54 pm
Nice setup. Ideas for this location?

BTW, you can buy sand in the latest version, right? Then glassmaking shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Maybe for a couple windows. I played a sandless fort buying out all the sand from humans, elves, and dwarves for 12 years and only got a few hundred units.

So if you want to make something out of sand, be REALLY nice to elves, because they bring by far the most.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Urist McOverlord on June 24, 2010, 02:10:42 am
Quote from: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:59:25 pm
Quote from: DarthCloakedDwarf on June 23, 2010, 10:51:22 pm
Quote from: AxisofLint on June 23, 2010, 10:46:43 pm
Igneous Extrusive Layers (http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Igneous_extrusive), and I have tons of it ;p Plenty of gold, copper and some platinum too so far.
...huh. I did not know that.

;)

Alternatively, use Goblinite. ;) It's the only iron ore I've ever needed.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: AtomicPaperclip on June 24, 2010, 03:00:10 am
Wtf, cave-in on disembark? Two random tiles by the volcano.

Also, there is hematite showing at the very top.

Nice site, thanks (:
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Daetrin on June 24, 2010, 03:26:59 pm
So here's what I've done with it.
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Of course most of my fortress is underground, that's just the outer wall.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Shadetree on June 24, 2010, 03:46:02 pm
Before you gen the world
go into raw->objects
open inorganic_stone_soil.txt and switch clay and sand_tan's positions.  you'll get this site with sand.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: AtomicPaperclip on June 24, 2010, 04:21:17 pm
Quote from: Shadetree on June 24, 2010, 03:46:02 pm
Before you gen the world
go into raw->objects
open inorganic_stone_soil.txt and switch clay and sand_tan's positions.  you'll get this site with sand.
O.O You can do that?
You sir, are a god.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Shadetree on June 24, 2010, 04:45:32 pm
Just something I picked up lurking these forums.  So at best I'm a prophet not a god ;)

I use it a lot when I find that 'almost perfect' spot but need flux or sand or whatever.  Though I did it more often in earlier versions.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Sinned on June 24, 2010, 04:54:10 pm
Sweet spot, thanks for sharing.  :)
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Heavenfall on June 28, 2010, 01:10:01 pm
Thanks, had a TON of fun on this embark. I usually play in wood-heavy water-free zones, this was a nice change.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Daetrin on June 28, 2010, 01:42:14 pm
Yeah, I've been tooling around with it for a while, and actually wondering if I should try my hand at a succession fort here. I know it's not terrifying surroundings, but even so...it's an awesome embark.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Carpman on June 28, 2010, 02:10:55 pm
Looks like a very good spot, however I'd rather not give up my own site where I am at war with both goblins and elves ;)
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: SammyLiimex on June 28, 2010, 06:28:26 pm
Quote from: Carpman on June 28, 2010, 02:10:55 pm
Looks like a very good spot, however I'd rather not give up my own site where I am at war with both goblins and elves ;)

I've been waiting for .31 to fix military til i switch from 40d. My current fort I've gone as far as creating lava traps to dump on the elves and i cant get the elves to attack me, cause i wanna lose the fort. After I got around 100 dwarfs, I had a accidental cave in and three nobles, a baby, a child and a kitten got crushed, and immediatly no more migrants would come to my deathtrap, so I've been slowly losing people one at a time, but my FPS is super low.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Sparrowhawk on June 29, 2010, 03:37:01 am
Hi there,

Nice spot :) Going to use this, but I figured I'd ask a few things first. . .

Precisely why is the volcano so useful? My semi-educated guess says the production of obsidian, but other than that is there a use that I'm missing?

. . . or is the accepted method to pump this stuff into a place where you can use it as fuel for smelters and such?
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Xenoc on June 29, 2010, 03:54:46 am
It saves many z levels of pumping, and makes your forge industries independant of charcoal/coke production.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Mangled on June 29, 2010, 05:58:41 am
It also makes it easier to set the world on fire.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Sarudak on June 29, 2010, 09:52:27 am
I think volcanos make the game to easy personally... I get bored...
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Mickey Blue on June 29, 2010, 06:25:36 pm
Dumb question: How do I use this information to gen the map myself?

Thanks,

-MB
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: NRN_R_Sumo1 on June 29, 2010, 08:18:43 pm
Quote from: Sarudak on June 29, 2010, 09:52:27 am
I think volcanos make the game to easy personally... I get bored...
I find they're good for personal challenges.

embark with as much wood as possible, and a pick.
have the miner tunnel into the side of the mountain closest to the wagon, then have him try to save the other dwarves who have their labours all turned off. (includes hauling labours)

You have 7 lives, do your best to save the lumber!
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Rasta69 on June 30, 2010, 01:38:37 am
Quote from: Mickey Blue on June 29, 2010, 06:25:36 pm
Dumb question: How do I use this information to gen the map myself?

Thanks,

-MB
The lurking noob masses also wish for an answer
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Heavenfall on June 30, 2010, 05:17:47 am
Copy the stuff from above into world_gen.txt. Save. Open dwarf fortress, make new world with parameters, select the "awesome region" option on the right, go for it.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: reborninthefortress on July 02, 2010, 02:43:14 am
Quote from: Snook on June 23, 2010, 08:29:19 pm
Ideas, anyone?

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I got a cavern collapse on embark, and a ton of smoke/magma mist/whatever. There's a hill on the left, only 2z of usable rock. The hill to the right is tall but narrow. The shrubland extends out to the north, and doesn't have too many trees.

Massive wall between the hills, a la Helm's Deep.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: scanale42 on July 05, 2010, 09:25:49 pm
So is the flux in this random then? Cause I was able to generate this and start in the same position, but I see no flux on the map at all except for about 300 calcite. I know it lists marble, but if I use dfreveal marble is not listed anywhere. has anyone else tried this embark location and run into flux stone issues?

Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: gtmattz on July 06, 2010, 04:50:03 pm
Quote from: scanale42 on July 05, 2010, 09:25:49 pm
So is the flux in this random then? Cause I was able to generate this and start in the same position, but I see no flux on the map at all except for about 300 calcite. I know it lists marble, but if I use dfreveal marble is not listed anywhere. has anyone else tried this embark location and run into flux stone issues?

I am not sure, but maybe dfreveal does not list layer stones?  If marble is listed in one of the biomes on your embark screen there will be a couple layers of it in the tiles of that biome.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Werdna on July 06, 2010, 05:32:30 pm
Mine had several layers of exposed marble in the hill in the (embark) tile directly to the right of the volcano vent.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Heavenfall on July 06, 2010, 06:20:33 pm
My roof layer to the first cave was made of marble.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: ckdcello on October 11, 2010, 06:07:17 pm
Apologies for the potential necrobump, but I've been unable to recreate this map and I was hoping the veterans here could help out a newbie.  I copied the parameters to world_gen.txt and created a new world with the "awesome" parameter set.  However, the generated map looks nothing like the original post, nor have I been able to find a similar embark location resembling the original specifications.  Thinking that perhaps I was using the wrong game version (31.16), I then tried the same thing with 31.14 as well as 40d.  All of these were attempted with fresh downloads, so there was zero tampering with files outside of the copy to world_gen.txt.  Any help would be appreciated, this sounds like a lot of potential fun.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: nbonaparte on October 11, 2010, 06:11:57 pm
31.14 and up have changed the way world gen works. entity populations, sprawl, etc. Generate it in 31.12 or 13 and move the file.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: ckdcello on October 11, 2010, 06:22:38 pm
Thanks very much, I should have just kept trying versions.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: veok on October 11, 2010, 09:57:51 pm
Quote from: nbonaparte on October 11, 2010, 06:11:57 pm
31.14 and up have changed the way world gen works. entity populations, sprawl, etc. Generate it in 31.12 or 13 and move the file.

Do 31.12 worlds still work in 31.16?

If yes, above, how can I acquire a copy of 31.12?
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: nbonaparte on October 11, 2010, 10:09:51 pm
I'm not sure. Id upload mine, but it's modded. Any version after about 31.05 would work, I think.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: jaxad0127 on October 11, 2010, 10:50:34 pm
Quote from: veok on October 11, 2010, 09:57:51 pm
Quote from: nbonaparte on October 11, 2010, 06:11:57 pm
31.14 and up have changed the way world gen works. entity populations, sprawl, etc. Generate it in 31.12 or 13 and move the file.

Do 31.12 worlds still work in 31.16?

If yes, above, how can I acquire a copy of 31.12?
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/older_versions.html (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/older_versions.html)
Just copy the save over.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: FleshForge on October 11, 2010, 10:53:44 pm
Quote from: gtmattz on July 06, 2010, 04:50:03 pm
I am not sure, but maybe dfreveal does not list layer stones?  If marble is listed in one of the biomes on your embark screen there will be a couple layers of it in the tiles of that biome.

I think you meant DFProspector, and yeah it doesn't list layer stone. 
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: ckdcello on October 12, 2010, 03:34:40 pm
Just to confirm, copying the save from .12 to .16 worked just fine for me (don't forget to adjust the save-specific "raw" folder if you are using a graphics set).
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: jaxad0127 on October 12, 2010, 03:36:34 pm
You want to look at the raw differences as well, since there have been changes. Not updating should leave slade mineable, for example.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: nbonaparte on October 12, 2010, 06:08:51 pm
Quote from: jaxad0127 on October 12, 2010, 03:36:34 pm
You want to look at the raw differences as well, since there have been changes. Not updating should leave slade mineable, for example.
and that's a problem?
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Vehudur on October 12, 2010, 07:19:17 pm
Quote from: nbonaparte on October 12, 2010, 06:08:51 pm
Quote from: jaxad0127 on October 12, 2010, 03:36:34 pm
You want to look at the raw differences as well, since there have been changes. Not updating should leave slade mineable, for example.
and that's a problem?

It causes Fun bugs sometimes, like the game crashing.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: nbonaparte on October 12, 2010, 07:34:17 pm
Ah... hmm. Raw changes could fix that by making it into a standard, albeit superheavy, stone (or ore). Or you could just make it unmineable. Either way.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Vehudur on October 12, 2010, 07:38:17 pm
Quote from: nbonaparte on October 12, 2010, 07:34:17 pm
Ah... hmm. Raw changes could fix that by making it into a standard, albeit superheavy, stone (or ore). Or you could just make it unmineable. Either way.

Yes, you can fix it by making it a normal rock, but the problem comes because the game knows it's not supposed to be mine-able, but you can still mine it in that case.  It doesn't like that.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: jaxad0127 on October 12, 2010, 07:41:30 pm
A tag for unminable was added and added to slade.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Vehudur on October 12, 2010, 07:43:48 pm
Quote from: jaxad0127 on October 12, 2010, 07:41:30 pm
A tag for unminable was added and added to slade.

Yes.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Daetrin on October 16, 2010, 12:05:14 pm
If you want a new set of world gen params for 31.16, take a look at this.

It has

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Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: ckdcello on October 18, 2010, 09:54:40 pm
Nice, basically everything the original had plus sand :)  And fully 3.16 compatible right off the bat, as well.  It's also slightly safer, which may reduce fun overall but will allow me to test out some magma contraptions with less hassle (and with the you-know-what, I can have as much *fun* as I want whenever I please :)  Thanks.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Dreggon on October 19, 2010, 03:42:37 am
Quote from: AtomicPaperclip on June 24, 2010, 01:57:50 am
Quote from: Itnetlolor on June 23, 2010, 08:14:54 pm
Nice setup. Ideas for this location?

BTW, you can buy sand in the latest version, right? Then glassmaking shouldn't be too much of an issue.

Maybe for a couple windows. I played a sandless fort buying out all the sand from humans, elves, and dwarves for 12 years and only got a few hundred units.

So if you want to make something out of sand, be REALLY nice to elves, because they bring by far the most.

You have the gall to call yourself a dwarf?
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Quietust on October 19, 2010, 08:26:50 am
Quote from: Dreggon on October 19, 2010, 03:42:37 am
Quote from: AtomicPaperclip on June 24, 2010, 01:57:50 am
So if you want to make something out of sand, be REALLY nice to elves, because they bring by far the most.

You have the gall to call yourself a dwarf?

Only fools (and masochists) deliberately anger the elves when they have the potential to bring trade goods that no other race can offer, such as giant eagles, grizzly bears, and elephants.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: candylord on October 20, 2010, 07:43:24 pm
Quote from: Quietust on October 19, 2010, 08:26:50 am
Quote from: Dreggon on October 19, 2010, 03:42:37 am
Quote from: AtomicPaperclip on June 24, 2010, 01:57:50 am
So if you want to make something out of sand, be REALLY nice to elves, because they bring by far the most.

You have the gall to call yourself a dwarf?

Only fools (and masochists) deliberately anger the elves when they have the potential to bring trade goods that no other race can offer, such as giant eagles, grizzly bears, and elephants.

Isn't that only if you quadruple the carrying capacity of mules or something?
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Organum on October 20, 2010, 09:56:15 pm
If I recall correctly, all the pack animals can carry much more now than they could in 40d. It's no longer quite as much an issue as it was in the past, so being unkind to the Elves may actually be a bad thing now.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Korva on October 27, 2010, 10:23:32 am
Thank you very much for uploading this! And to Shadetree for the way to get sand on this region, too. It really is an awesome spot, and although the only goblins are on the other side of the world, they're happy to try and give me trouble here. Which makes me happy. ;) Having lots of fun with this.
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Korva on November 15, 2010, 02:56:22 am
I haven't grabbed the new version yet since I heard there are some compatibility problems with old saves, but has anyone genned a world like this for 31.17?
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: oasis789 on August 14, 2011, 03:31:35 pm
Quote from: Shadetree on June 24, 2010, 03:46:02 pm
Before you gen the world
go into raw->objects
open inorganic_stone_soil.txt and switch clay and sand_tan's positions.  you'll get this site with sand.

This trick doesn't work in 31.25
Title: Re: I found a most amazing embark
Post by: Urist McUristy on August 14, 2011, 03:48:36 pm
Quote from: oasis789 on August 14, 2011, 03:31:35 pm
Quote from: Shadetree on June 24, 2010, 03:46:02 pm
Before you gen the world
go into raw->objects
open inorganic_stone_soil.txt and switch clay and sand_tan's positions.  you'll get this site with sand.

This trick doesn't work in 31.25
My god! A Necromancer...
It might be since that trick is a year old. Maybe.