Post by: Supercharazad on April 23, 2011, 03:42:09 am
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html
Discuss.
Post by: Micro102 on April 23, 2011, 03:44:07 am
Post by: Tarran on April 23, 2011, 03:52:16 am
Is this really that interesting? Or another RPG with a bunch of random stuff?It's a really, really strange and potentially disturbing Roguelike, if you're into those things.
Post by: Farce on April 23, 2011, 03:55:04 am
Post by: Tarran on April 23, 2011, 03:56:14 am
For everyone else, however...
Post by: EuchreJack on April 23, 2011, 04:33:32 am
First,
This has already been posted before. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2696.0)
Second,
The developer has officially abandoned Elona. While some fans are trying to salvage and continue it (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777), I doubt they'll have anything workable this year.
So, it is probably best to put this one on the shelf for now. Like wine, it will taste so much better later.
EDIT: On the other hand, I would simply LOVE to read a LP on this game. With the ability to have multiple teammates, rename the main character's home, and possibly even rename items, the game would be awesome to LP!
Post by: Neonivek on April 23, 2011, 05:04:40 am
It is a game where actual progression is your largest enemy. Heck depending on your race and class progression can be outright devistating.
Post by: kcwong on April 23, 2011, 05:50:12 am
Only "potentially"?
You get a little girl as your pet. And you ride her. Then you buy a ranch and put your little girl there as a breeder to get more little girls. And then you modify her genetically to give her a centaur lower body. Then you ride her some more. You put a leash around her neck and she tells you "Please be gentle".
"Extremely disturbing" is an understatement... :P
Post by: Darvi on April 23, 2011, 06:04:06 am
Yeah, it's that kind of game :V
Post by: Neonivek on April 23, 2011, 06:05:38 am
Post by: Ochita on April 23, 2011, 09:51:08 am
I remember being level 1 and I had 400 charges of meteor. And anyway, I just breed the putits. Putit meat is the best.
Human is better though, gwen is good for that.
Post by: Felius on April 23, 2011, 12:47:06 pm
I really, really have to ask, since I never could get far enough on this myself.Do lots and lots of deliver quests. It'll get you lot's of mostly easy gold. If you are a wizard, spell book deliver quests are specially awesome, as, 1. You only need a single charge at the book for the quest to be successful, so read until it can be only read one more time, and 2. The non monetary part of the reward are magical items which are awesome.
Is Elona winnable without stepping into Wizard Mode? Winnable at all? Could someone actually take it upon themselves to accomplish everything the game has to offer, be it through sneaky tricks or ages of grinding?
Is it possible?
Post by: Neonivek on April 23, 2011, 01:38:28 pm
There are two enemies in the game worse then any others
1) Leveling up
and
2) Gaining Fame
If you level up through dungeons you will gain pointless levels and end up too weak.
If you gain too much fame you will face unbeatable hoards of enemies.
Plus you also need to grind out some resistances/immunities to specific status effects to beat the game.
Though even with a straight run (if it was possible) it would take a while... the last time I checked the highest level dungeon was level 500.
Post by: Felius on April 23, 2011, 01:41:11 pm
I really, really have to ask, since I never could get far enough on this myself.Do lots and lots of deliver quests. It'll get you lot's of mostly easy gold. If you are a wizard, spell book deliver quests are specially awesome, as, 1. You only need a single charge at the book for the quest to be successful, so read until it can be only read one more time, and 2. The non monetary part of the reward are magical items which are awesome.
Is Elona winnable without stepping into Wizard Mode? Winnable at all? Could someone actually take it upon themselves to accomplish everything the game has to offer, be it through sneaky tricks or ages of grinding?
Is it possible?
I must point out that you didn't answer my question. :U
Well, that'll allow you to grind out the start of the game. After that, I assume you could grind out the rest of the game, although it'll probably take a LONG time.
Post by: Darvi on April 23, 2011, 01:41:30 pm
Post by: Neonivek on April 23, 2011, 01:42:53 pm
Which you should be doing (for at least an hour) every 10 levels. So yeah epic levels of grinding.
Plus getting the items you will later desperately need will take a few more hours since the game REALLY doesn't like to hand them out (for example immunity to stone. I usually play Golems).
Post by: Micro102 on April 23, 2011, 07:50:04 pm
Post by: Farce on April 23, 2011, 07:57:32 pm
Post by: neotemplar on April 23, 2011, 10:48:30 pm
Also "Hard Gay" is a creature in this (epic), and I can genetically engineer abominations, then ride them. So I really hope they can balance combat a lot more and kill the grinding a bit. The core leveling/skill up system is just broken as hell.
Post by: Micro102 on April 23, 2011, 11:07:33 pm
Also, I have this quest where I need to give this person a "green plant".... and I have no idea what that means. it's not an item in the game. I have a bunch of green colored plants but they won't take them...
Also, how do you use those materials you find in dreams and stuff?
Post by: kcwong on April 23, 2011, 11:15:17 pm
1. So far it's fun.... Had to die multiple times before I realized I need to grind the hell out of road side monsters before doing anything else, but fun.
2. Also, I have this quest where I need to give this person a "green plant".... and I have no idea what that means. it's not an item in the game. I have a bunch of green colored plants but they won't take them...
3. Also, how do you use those materials you find in dreams and stuff?
1. Actually you can do the Puppy Dungeon first. Each level gets reset every time you enter, giving you unlimited amount of enemies and loot. At first do not move to far away from the exit. Kill/loot, back to town to sell. For mages this is the easiest method to get some spellbooks.
2. Those "I want" quests usually involve negotiating the item from another person. They should tell you who to get it from when you get the quest, and you can ask town guards where the person is. You will need some other items of comparable value to trade.
3. There are crafting items. Sewing kit, etc. Buy from shop and use. Crafting is mostly useless - except for crafting scrolls. There are skill requirements for crafting.
Post by: Micro102 on April 23, 2011, 11:43:08 pm
Also, the journal doesn't say anything about who to get the green plant from.
Post by: kcwong on April 24, 2011, 12:02:55 am
As for the Puppy dungeon, don't ever stray far from the exit when you are weak. Just keep exit and re-enter, and you will get new enemies and loot. Watch out for kobolds (IIRC they are called kobolds). They hit very hard for a low level monster. If you see them, run, exit and re-enter.
Post by: Neonivek on April 24, 2011, 01:04:33 am
Post by: kcwong on April 24, 2011, 01:06:05 am
Also if you play a Golem... Riding skill (plus a horse or similarly quick mount) is ABSOLUTELY required.
You'd want your mount to be strong too... feed it/her some arm-type monster corpse. Otherwise your weight will drag both you and your mount down.
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 01:09:50 am
Also, wth is with those hunting jobs? It just spams monsters that are ok alone, but 9 of them?
EDIT: AAARARRRGGHHHHH!!1
Someone plz tell me how to obtain curse removal items. I have 2 cursed items on me and they keep teleporting me into dangerous stuff/far away places.\
Also, my arrow or bow isn't cursed, yet I can't remove my arrow.... wth?
Post by: Tilla on April 24, 2011, 01:33:47 am
Post by: kcwong on April 24, 2011, 01:34:43 am
1. Now all I have to worry about is food randomly killing me by somehow causing massive starvation (no I did not throw up and they were not rotten, I am even resistant to poison)
2. Also, wth is with those hunting jobs? It just spams monsters that are ok alone, but 9 of them?
3. Someone plz tell me how to obtain curse removal items. I have 2 cursed items on me and they keep teleporting me into dangerous stuff/far away places.
4. Also, my arrow or bow isn't cursed, yet I can't remove my arrow.... wth?
1. Food can be generated cursed too. I'm not sure if corpses can be generated cursed as well. Beware of vomiting too much... your system will get used to that causing you to lose weight and stuff.
2. Hunting jobs are those that send you to wilderness and kill all monsters (randomly generated, multiple types). Those are a bit more difficult for a new character; better get some loli's properly equipped to help you out. There's another type called town invasion, where you fight in an empty town against a single type of monsters. They usually don't come up until you have higher fame, and can be very difficult or easy depending on what monsters you will be fighting.
3. You need scroll(s) of uncurse... probably more than one, yes, because they are not guaranteed to work. Curse in Elona is like a disease... the longer you have a cursed item the more serious it gets, and eventually it will spread to your other items too. To be safe, don't use new loot right away. Keep them in your inventory for a while, you will gradually learn more about them. I don't remember what that skill is called that make this process faster... item inspection or something?
4. Don't know about this one, sorry.
Post by: Earthquake Damage on April 24, 2011, 01:49:25 am
1. Food can be generated cursed too. I'm not sure if corpses can be generated cursed as well. Beware of vomiting too much... your system will get used to that causing you to lose weight and stuff.
I was under the impression height and weight had no effect. Playing around with blessed milk in wizard mode, I reached a solid 12 feet. I don't recall suddenly being immensely powerful in combat or anything, so I don't think there's an effect.
Post by: kcwong on April 24, 2011, 02:17:03 am
If your not an android, those boxes have tons of food and health. Plus you can get bullets and ether, and if your really lucky, the propulsion boots.
I just had a bug. Made my hoverbike, mounted it, and the camera goes flying across the area to the north, and doesn't move. So now I'm out two antigravs.
Getting taller and heavier may have no benefits (other than increasing your loli's bust size), but losing weight and vomiting a lot definitely have bad effects on you.
Here... (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Curse), particularly:
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Digesting cursed food causes vomiting and may result in temporary negative effects and permanent stat losses
IIRC if you keep vomiting a lot, you will eventually get a negative perk and will not be able to eat as much as you normally do... it's been too long ago, I can't remember the details.
Post by: Earthquake Damage on April 24, 2011, 02:25:54 am
If your not an android, those boxes have tons of food and health. Plus you can get bullets and ether, and if your really lucky, the propulsion boots.
I just had a bug. Made my hoverbike, mounted it, and the camera goes flying across the area to the north, and doesn't move. So now I'm out two antigravs.
Wrong quote.
Anyway, yeah, I forgot about the effects of vomiting. IIRC it abuses stats or something.
Post by: Blaze on April 24, 2011, 02:51:00 am
And yes, you'll lose a small amount of stat experience as well as "food points" whenever you vomit.
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 03:02:31 am
I have kept dozens of items in my inventory for days but a lot of them don't seem to be identified. Mainly scrolls, books, and raw ores.
I have raw ores, yet can only sell them for 1, while in shops they go for 450 gold... I don't get it.
Post by: EuchreJack on April 24, 2011, 03:09:31 am
RE Cursed Items: There are three ways of curing a cursed item:
1) Scroll of uncurse->Sometimes works, best to use a blessed version for greater chance of success and the ability to uncurse multiple versions. Protip: Get a whole stack of scrolls of uncurse, then bless them. I believe there is also a stronger version of the scroll of uncurse as well.
2) Bless the item->If you mix holy water with the cursed item, it will change from cursed to blessed. This is also how you get that large stack of blessed scrolls of uncurse, as recommended above.
3) Scroll of inferior material->Least likely to work, and ultimately the worst possible option. Anyways, if you use a scroll of inferior material on the item, there is something like a one-in-six chance of the item being changed to the "raw" material classification. Once your cursed item is made of the "raw" material, you can eat it. Bad because you are eating cursed food, and will suffer the negative effects thereof. But at least you're not wearing the bloody thing!
Post by: Blaze on April 24, 2011, 03:09:37 am
Pet is useless, keeps dieing to everything and doesn't fight what I want it to. Never seems to level up no matter how much prey I give it.The current pet leveling rate is fubar. Most of your pet's strength will come from the equipment you give them. (Meaning only one of the four starting pets are actually useful.)
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I have kept dozens of items in my inventory for days but a lot of them don't seem to be identified. Mainly scrolls, books, and raw ores.Start training perception by getting sense quality ASAP, it's practically the best skill in the game. You practice it by hauling around unidentified items, it occasionally identifies items for you, and it gives a lot of perception XP. You can learn it from a trainer in Yowyn or Noyel.
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I have raw ores, yet can only sell them for 1, while in shops they go for 450 gold... I don't get it.Your negotiation skill is low; it determines how high the selling penalty rate and the maximum sell price is.
Post by: EuchreJack on April 24, 2011, 03:14:36 am
You can probably get your money back via performer skill, if you really want. Otherwise, your pets will use their gold to level up skills... somehow.
Oh, and the Elona wiki is a great resource (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki). Without the wiki, I probably would have no idea how to do anything with this game!
Once you get a wish, you'll love the wiki's guide to wishing! (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Wish)
Wishes come from drinking fountains, so get drinking! ;D
Post by: Tarran on April 24, 2011, 03:17:04 am
Wishes come from drinking fountains, so get drinking! ;DIf you don't mind getting an alien breeding inside you.
Or mutations.
Or stat decreases.
Seriously, drinking from a fountain puts you at the utter mercy of the RNG. And as we all know the RNG is a bastard. :P
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2011, 03:17:43 am
Or wear Alien proof armOr.
Post by: Blaze on April 24, 2011, 03:28:02 am
I believe the fairy hat gives innate birth control though.
Post by: kcwong on April 24, 2011, 03:32:07 am
But keep some poison and antidotes ready.
Or wear Alien proof armOr.
Drinking a potion of dye can also get rid of aliens inside you.
Stash all potions of dyes! When there's an alien infestation in town, you need to cure pregnant NPCs. IIRC giving them poison will lower your karma and might kill them; dyes do the job better.
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2011, 03:33:07 am
Post by: ChairmanPoo on April 24, 2011, 05:05:40 am
Post by: beorn080 on April 24, 2011, 05:24:26 am
I keep reading that as potion of die D:It basically is.
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 08:56:45 am
Also, got impregnated by aliens, spent 1500 gold on identification of potions and luckily had dye.
Once something is identified, do you know what it is is you pick it up again?
EDIT: And now I just lost all my uncurse scrolls because I cursed my items with a tested scroll that turned out to be a curse scroll.
How do you tell which scrolls are which? Can you do it just by having them in your inv?
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 10:05:15 am
Read every scroll, and drink any potion you have.
Post by: 3 on April 24, 2011, 10:13:53 am
Well....
Read every scroll, and drink any potion you have.
This is a really horrible idea in a game where you can get things identified on demand.
As is standard in Roguelikes, most of the time you'll only have to identify something once and you'll recognise it from thereon.
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 10:27:09 am
Also, slimes are too powerful.
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 10:32:06 am
Elona is actually very kind about this.Well....
Read every scroll, and drink any potion you have.
This is a really horrible idea in a game where you can get things identified on demand.
As is standard in Roguelikes, most of the time you'll only have to identify something once and you'll recognise it from thereon.
Potions only can... (Deal fire damage, deal acid damage, send you to sleep, blind you for a little bit, confuse you or make you puke. So potions are fine. Even if you get a poison, a level 2 mage can survive that.)
Scrolls... Well, theres only curse, and you can always savescum and remove the curse.)
Post by: Felius on April 24, 2011, 10:36:09 am
Rage quit my 5th champion. This time it was due to there not being a single job I could do. All the hunting ones are impossible, I can't perform, the harvesting is impossible because there is always a bat that you need to chase to the corner of the map to kill but then you lose, and the escort missions say I have a full party and I don't know how to shorten it or that I even want to. There hasn't been a "get this item" quest for days.
Also, slimes are too powerful.
Micro, the "get this item" quests can be kind annoying too. You should try the delivery quests. They are merely a matter of walking to the other town and talking with the recipient of the delivery. You can also try the "poisoned" escort quest, which does not have any obligatory fights, and the escorted is actually capable of defending himself. You need to be fast to do them though.
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2011, 10:36:24 am
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 10:44:29 am
Rage quit my 5th champion. This time it was due to there not being a single job I could do. All the hunting ones are impossible, I can't perform, the harvesting is impossible because there is always a bat that you need to chase to the corner of the map to kill but then you lose, and the escort missions say I have a full party and I don't know how to shorten it or that I even want to. There hasn't been a "get this item" quest for days.
Also, slimes are too powerful.
Micro, the "get this item" quests can be kind annoying too. You should try the delivery quests. They are merely a matter of walking to the other town and talking with the recipient of the delivery. You can also try the "poisoned" escort quest, which does not have any obligatory fights, and the escorted is actually capable of defending himself. You need to be fast to do them though.
Like I said I needed extra party room and couldn't get it, and the bring item quests had items I couldn't find.
Post by: Felius on April 24, 2011, 10:45:46 am
Yes, but there's still the delivery quests, which the npc give you something for you to deliver to another npc in another town. If the town you're don't have any, check the surrounding towns, they might have it.Rage quit my 5th champion. This time it was due to there not being a single job I could do. All the hunting ones are impossible, I can't perform, the harvesting is impossible because there is always a bat that you need to chase to the corner of the map to kill but then you lose, and the escort missions say I have a full party and I don't know how to shorten it or that I even want to. There hasn't been a "get this item" quest for days.
Also, slimes are too powerful.
Micro, the "get this item" quests can be kind annoying too. You should try the delivery quests. They are merely a matter of walking to the other town and talking with the recipient of the delivery. You can also try the "poisoned" escort quest, which does not have any obligatory fights, and the escorted is actually capable of defending himself. You need to be fast to do them though.
Like I said I needed extra party room and couldn't get it, and the bring item quests had items I couldn't find.
Post by: 3 on April 24, 2011, 10:47:06 am
Well, theres only curse, and you can always savescum and remove the curse.)
Yes, because that's really not missing the point. I suppose I may as well just equip every item I find and savescum whenever one turns out to be cursed.
Also: There are rare consumables you don't want to be wasting. I'm sure I've managed to accidentally quaff a potion of cure corruption in the past.
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 10:47:28 am
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 10:47:38 am
Oh yeah. Grenades.
But mages can be strong... You just need the right books, and repeated castings of spells.
Plus diligence. And joining the mages guild helps.
Post by: Knirisk on April 24, 2011, 11:58:45 am
You need to be fast to do them though.
Two words. Seven-league boots. Any time you get a wish, wish for seven-league boots. All delivery/escort quests are much easier.
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 12:10:16 pm
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2011, 12:11:04 pm
Post by: Micro102 on April 24, 2011, 12:12:22 pm
I even have a full performer character. The game simply doesn't want you to win.
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2011, 12:13:06 pm
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 01:43:18 pm
Although its hidden, and really, really far away from any city.
http://images.wikia.com/elona/images/8/89/ElonaWorldMap.jpg <-- Copy&Paste
Scroll to the top, and look for younger sisters mansion.
Go there. Hit the shop keeper. Get away from her, play.
I keep on getting girls throwing me engagement amulets and rings.
Oh no.
(I sell them.)
Post by: Darvi on April 24, 2011, 01:45:36 pm
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 01:47:58 pm
MINOTAURS
You have to take a level 20 tunnel and you have to go though that to get there.
Sounds like not fun.
Even my grenades do hardly anything...
Post by: Ivefan on April 24, 2011, 01:52:43 pm
You have to take a level 20 tunnel and you have to go though that to get there.Abuse Teleport and teleport others wands and you'll get through rather easily.
Sounds like not fun.
Even my grenades do hardly anything...
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 01:54:04 pm
I do have okayish speed
(+100)
But I would not risk it..
Post by: Ivefan on April 24, 2011, 02:01:25 pm
Hmm...I did it with a mage so i would assume that my speed weren't any special and that i was squishy
I do have okayish speed
(+100)
But I would not risk it..
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 02:04:06 pm
Only 50 health.
Post by: Blaze on April 24, 2011, 04:08:23 pm
Remember that dead pets still count to towards the party limit, so if you have too many, pay an innkeeper to revive them, then dismiss them.
Post by: Ochita on April 24, 2011, 04:46:10 pm
Oh wait, spent that on a castle.
Post by: Micro102 on April 25, 2011, 12:50:34 am
Also, why isn't my ore selling? It's always 1 gold even when I have heavy bargaining abilities.
Post by: Tilla on April 25, 2011, 01:01:27 am
How do you identify scrolls and books without using money or more scrolls? I could make some decent cash if I could sell all the books I find.
Also, why isn't my ore selling? It's always 1 gold even when I have heavy bargaining abilities.
That's the trick, you can't. Unless you save scum
Post by: Micro102 on April 25, 2011, 01:15:40 am
The only one left I can think of that could be viable is an archer but your so weak early game that you have to kill them in melee range because if you run while shooting they regen all their health. Also trying to have pets ends up paying for their resurrection fees every time you fight.
Post by: kcwong on April 25, 2011, 01:31:44 am
Ok, so, Warrior is useless because he can't do most of the quests (even the hunting ones, go figure), performers are useless because they die every time they perform, and mages need to get lucky and get a bunch of wizard dreams, and have to pay massive amounts of money to use books they have.
The only one left I can think of that could be viable is an archer but your so weak early game that you have to kill them in melee range because if you run while shooting they regen all their health. Also trying to have pets ends up paying for their resurrection fees every time you fight.
Mages can get all the starting books they want from farming puppy dungeon.
Performers definitely aren't useless, you just need to play at the right place. At low levels you don't play around townspeople. You play around your pets at first to practice, they will give you gold if they have any from selling ores (yes, give the ores to your pets. They sell at a much higher price than you and can use that gold for training skills when they are near trainers in town). The performance skill level required is related to the townspeople level. That guy in Vernis is a cruel joke by Noa, just like the tutorial guy.
Warrior is definitely doable, you just need to farm the puppy dungeon to get some decent starting gear for both you and your loli. You did choose a loli as your pet right? Because it's the only pet with most equipment slots functional and thus the most powerful.
Class also isn't everything. Try a fairy claymore. They almost don't get hit at all. The drawback is low carrying capacity; you will need to convert your items into lighter materials like paper.
Also pay a lot of attention to your fame. Difficulty scales with fame in this game. Doing too much delivery quests will bump your fame straight up, and then everything you see will kill you easily. Find quests with no time limit - i.e. those that teleport you to the destination. Like harvesting quest, or party. Fail the quest by doing nothing - spend the time looting free items, and if you can do it, kill people at party for loot. The important thing is failing quests with no time limit does not cost you karma, only fame, which is exactly what you want. You can compare your fame to other adventurers with the town board. You can see how much fame the NPC adventurers have and what level they are. If you find your fame higher than higher level NPC adventurers, it's time to lose some fame.
Post by: breadbocks on April 25, 2011, 01:35:58 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 25, 2011, 01:37:43 am
Post by: Farce on April 25, 2011, 01:38:24 am
ID unknown potions, wands and scrolls, so you know what they are. This'll help in case a quest wants them, or for when you are about to erupt into a chestburster and don't want to accidentally chug a buncha cure corruptions and mutation potions looking for that dye. Also they sell for a slightly-more-than-trivial amount, unlike weapons and armor and stuff.
You can get NPCs drunk with the various boozes and milk them for uh... for gold. This'll also train your charisma, which lets you get more pets - I think 1 for <14, and then 2 at 15, and one more every +5? IIRC, pets chilling at home or working your ranches or shops count towards this limit, so it's kinda important later on.
Wander from city to city doing oddjobs and during the process you'll eventually make enough money to buy stuff and pay for IDing. Be real careful about those cursed items. ...I really like the "wandering mailman traveler" sorta thing this turns the game into, though I guess I might just be weird like that. Either way it's a safe way to grind up cash, and during the horrifically long time you'll spend doing this you'll inevitably acquire some Treasure Maps. Those sometimes have artifact equipment, and occasionally they'll even be good! That'll help make you actually stand a chance in a fight maybe.
Get the little girl. She will crush your enemies, drive them before you, and force the lamentations from their women.
If you didn't get one when you started the game, you can get another human ally from the Slave Trader in Derphy.
And uh, I would totally suggest savescrub behavior for when you die. Beyond the possibility of dropping your sweet artifacts when you die in someplace unrecoverable like the Puppy Cave, IIRC you can also drop irreplaceable items like the cooler or gene machine, and IIRC the autosave will save as soon as you respawn, and I don't think you can check when dropped and what didn't when you die.
Also, you can scavenge delicious fruit from Vernis, Palmia and Yowyn, thus saving money. If you have the cooking skill, you can try to cook 'em at the inn in Vernis and the kitchen in Palmia for better stat boosts - though making nasty stuff reduces those. Api nuts and one of the plants I think don't rot, and weigh nothing, so carry those around as emergency food.
Performing, AFAIK, checks your performance against every NPCs level. High level guys - guards, named characters and shopguys - usually hate what you play until you grind up to like 30 or something. They also throw rocks rrrreally hard. If you manage to just find an audience of faceless townspeople, though, they might appreciate your playing.
Personally, my favorite classes are Farmer and Pianist. My first character was a Pianist with a cat, and martial arts, because punching stuff is cool. He teleportitis'd into the slime room in the Vernis basement and dropped his piano there (I was carrying it around because I am boss), and eventually ran out of money (I think I got down to like 14 gold - I didn't know the delivery quests were easy money at the time) AND picked the fruit trees bare in Vernis. Out of resources, I eventually ended up throwing myself at the robber's den until the RNG decided to let me kill that red burglar guy. Slowly I recovered from my absolute poverty, doing deliveries until I could feed myself, get me some allies, and revive my cat (who would continue to die horribly every time, never kill anything, and hate me absolutely).
My next character was a mostly incompetent skillmonkey Farmer. She had all the neat utility skills and would handle the jobs and stuff, while her little girl would handle murdering everything. ...Scythes are pretty useless. Claymores, though, aren't! Especially artifact 3d12+12 ones.
Post by: kcwong on April 25, 2011, 01:38:41 am
In conclusion: You gotta farm dat puppy dungeon.
Not to mention the prize waiting for you when you manage to complete the puppy quest. The ice box is a wonderful item.
Besides api nuts Farce mentioned, herbs and bread also never rot in this game. The herbs (including api nuts) you better give to your pets - pets get more stat boost from herbs than you do.
Post by: Micro102 on April 25, 2011, 01:48:55 am
Also, just found out that I need to have an item identified before I can sell it at full price >_>
Post by: kcwong on April 25, 2011, 01:55:16 am
Post by: Farce on April 25, 2011, 01:55:58 am
The bones, eyes, hearts and blood, all those things, sell for alright money after you ID 'em. One blood will ID every other blood you get ever, even if it's from another monster. Same with the other body part items. I don't think they're asked for in quests, either.
Post by: Micro102 on April 26, 2011, 07:13:03 pm
I know there is a way to carry more stuff, but I can't figure out how. I thought it was a feat or skill, but I can't find it.
Post by: kcwong on April 26, 2011, 08:14:48 pm
Ok I am starting to hit my carrying limit, found too much good stuff i would like to keep around.
I know there is a way to carry more stuff, but I can't figure out how. I thought it was a feat or skill, but I can't find it.
Weight Lifting (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Weight_Lifting)
Post by: Micro102 on April 26, 2011, 08:22:38 pm
Also.... FREAKING BANDITS THAT WON"T DIE!!!!! I breath fire all over them, then all that's left is their leader, but he can still one-shot me.....I'm level 6 with a named scythe.
Also, potions of cure corruption needed, however the mutations aren't that bad, can't wear some equipment, charisma went down, but get a 24 speed boost and 6 constitution boost.
Post by: Tarran on April 26, 2011, 08:51:36 pm
Also, potions of cure corruption needed, however the mutations aren't that bad, can't wear some equipment, charisma went down, but get a 24 speed boost and 6 constitution boost.Blackjack! Obviously the first thing you should do when you're horribly mutated is gamble. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Blackjack#Prizes_and_Rewards)
No, really. I'm serious.
Post by: kcwong on April 26, 2011, 11:36:24 pm
Yeah I realized earlier that I was just not visiting the right towns. :-[
Also.... FREAKING BANDITS THAT WON"T DIE!!!!! I breath fire all over them, then all that's left is their leader, but he can still one-shot me.....I'm level 6 with a named scythe.
Bandits are meant to be tough - they are often generated a bit stronger than your fame suggests. Don't even try to fight them at such a low level. Bandits like to chase you when you have a bit of fame accumulated and are carrying lots of cargo. You can not lug around valuable cargo so they won't be attracted to you. Or instead you can keep some wand/scrolls of teleport with you. Where you will land is random, yes, but using one or two will usually give you the chance to escape.
Also, potions of cure corruption needed, however the mutations aren't that bad, can't wear some equipment, charisma went down, but get a 24 speed boost and 6 constitution boost.
Cure corruption is indeed rather rare. So buy from shop and stash them if you can. Investing lots of money in a magic shop increases your chance to find one for sale. You can also trade them from NPC adventurers. Marrying your pets is another way, but that involves lots of love potions and gifts.
Also note that the ether winds only occurs in months divisible by 3. They will start around the 10th day, give or take a few days. If you plan ahead you can stay inside a dungeon, or train your skills inside your house/town shelter for the duration, and avoid mutation very easily.
You will eventually get mutated due to monster attacks and the "background radiation" factor, but by then you'll have lots of cure corruption potions ready.
Post by: Biag on April 26, 2011, 11:39:48 pm
Post by: Max White on April 27, 2011, 12:08:40 am
Post by: Tnx on April 27, 2011, 12:37:38 am
There's a great (although cheaty) way to make money. What you do is you go to that snowy city and buy up the snowman/christmas tree trade goods. It restocks every like 5-7 days i think, keep doing that for like a year, have a house built right by the city all the way to the west, that port. Now you use a scroll of return and appear right by the port, sell all the stuff you bought and make millions. This needs alot of start up money though, but once you get going you'll never run out of cash.
Post by: kcwong on April 27, 2011, 01:00:26 am
Wait, wait, wait. This is a new aspect of Elona to me. You're telling me I can marry little girls to cure corruption?
In real world, guests bring wedding gifts to the bride and groom. In Elona, your future spouse gives you a potion of cure corruption!
And there is no limit to how many times you can marry - you just need to get new pets and make them like you enough.
To make pets like you more:
1. Let your pets kill things. They will show a dialog balloon with a heart.
2. Don't let your pets die. You can tell them to go back to town in the middle of a combat, if you are close enough. They will be teleported back to town instantly.
3. Give your pets food laced with love potion. You take a small karma hit doing this, so don't over do it.
4. Give them rings using the gift option (IIRC). The drawback is they will refuse to remove that ring and will equip that ring over everything else.
Once relationship reaches a very high level (showing ??? instead of numbers), you can propose (IIRC an option in talk menu).
Post by: Blaze on April 27, 2011, 01:17:45 am
Bestiality and Polygamy are acceptable in Elona.
Pre-marital sex is considered immoral.
Same-sex sexual activities are considered immoral unless it's post-marital.
Legal Age of Consent is 12 years old.
Post by: Supercharazad on April 27, 2011, 09:12:41 am
Post by: Zangi on April 27, 2011, 09:24:16 am
*snip*Insert sadface. No wonder why it hasn't updated.
Second,
The developer has officially abandoned Elona. While some fans are trying to salvage and continue it (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777), I doubt they'll have anything workable this year.
So, it is probably best to put this one on the shelf for now. Like wine, it will taste so much better later.
*snip*
Post by: Micro102 on April 27, 2011, 10:10:47 am
Does anyone know where I can find a long one?
Post by: V-Norrec on April 27, 2011, 01:27:57 pm
Post by: Supercharazad on April 27, 2011, 01:42:51 pm
How do you pick up items. . . man, that is such a noob question lol.
"g", like in Dwarf Fortress. In fact, a lot of the controls are sort of like dwarf fortress's. Also, Q is drinking, as in "quaff"
Post by: Micro102 on April 27, 2011, 04:40:02 pm
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Post by: neotemplar on April 27, 2011, 11:58:52 pm
Remember folks, Everyone love's Sheena's Ass.
You can bounce a quarter off it!
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 28, 2011, 12:49:17 am
How does she keep it in such great shape?Remember folks, Everyone love's Sheena's Ass.
You can bounce a quarter off it!
Post by: Neonivek on April 28, 2011, 01:06:39 am
How does she keep it in such great shape?Remember folks, Everyone love's Sheena's Ass.
You can bounce a quarter off it!
Crunches and starch
Post by: kcwong on April 28, 2011, 05:25:43 am
How does she keep it in such great shape?Remember folks, Everyone love's Sheena's Ass.
You can bounce a quarter off it!
Crunches and starch
No, it's her magical panties...
Post by: Blaze on April 28, 2011, 05:26:22 am
LEGENDARY magical panties.How does she keep it in such great shape?Remember folks, Everyone love's Sheena's Ass.
You can bounce a quarter off it!
Crunches and starch
No, it's her magical panties...
Post by: Neonivek on April 28, 2011, 12:26:00 pm
You should do crunches more often.
Post by: Myroc on April 28, 2011, 02:22:42 pm
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Post by: Micro102 on April 28, 2011, 02:34:05 pm
But not fighting and not traveling help. Just pick up a bunch of random junk, do some quick and easy quests and eat until your grotesquely rich, then buy awesome stuff for you and your pet, then farm the puppy dungeon and identify and sell all items (identifications stay if you rediscover the same item, hence not needed to identify 2 spellbooks of web to sell both at same price, and need to identify monster parts like leather to sell them at full price, again identifying one leather will allow you to sell ALL leathers) until you're even richer and then start the main quest when your ~lvl 8 and have really nice stuff. Those randomly spawned things can get lucky and kill you even at lvl 6.
Post by: Earthquake Damage on April 28, 2011, 02:47:34 pm
- Leveling is strongly discouraged but XP is unavoidable. Sure, you can slow it down if you stumble across the right tools, but you can't stop it.
- The entire game is designed for grinding. Skills/stats, platinum coins, small medals, equipment, &c all come very slowly from repetitive gameplay.
Despite that, it's addicting. This may have something to do with the heaps of (mostly silly) content. Or maybe just Sheena's ass.
I should add that the control scheme and interface are really pretty good for a roguelike (roguelike-like?). I love that.
Post by: Myroc on April 28, 2011, 02:53:04 pm
Luck?There is a problem with this, since the quick and easy quests that requires either of the two.
But not fighting and not traveling help. Just pick up a bunch of random junk, do some quick and easy quests and eat until your grotesquely rich.
Hunting quests give noticably less experience than traveling and sleeping tend to give me, though, so I'll probably roll with those in the future. They just can't keep up with the absolutely ludicrous amount of money you receive from Before It's Too Late quests and the like.
I do realize XP is unavoidable, but I just pretty much gained all the EXP I needed to level just from sleeping. And that's just pants-on-head retarded.
Post by: Micro102 on April 28, 2011, 03:10:51 pm
Post by: Frostbite on April 28, 2011, 08:00:16 pm
Oh and ran across a rather odd but great glitch
Just started a new guy because i wanted to see what the archer was like , Started the tutorial for the free good bow.. Played around with the slimes some and then killed them and tried to find the guy ..he was gone ..I found his body in the corner of my house and he had some rather good stuff on him
His bow was mind blowingly awesome and now i 1 shot people with it lol... Is this a knowen glitch or just something odd?
if you want me to post the stats just say so
Post by: Earthquake Damage on April 28, 2011, 08:02:55 pm
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Post by: Virroken on April 28, 2011, 08:19:20 pm
Post by: baruk on April 28, 2011, 09:03:51 pm
The difficulty curve starts off very steep, but becomes trivial eventually, I just got bored repeating the same quests over and over. The key strategy I used was:
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Post by: kcwong on April 29, 2011, 03:20:48 am
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Post by: LordBucket on April 29, 2011, 04:16:45 am
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ElonaHaven't played in a year or so, but I have a level 30 warmage with decent stats. Sort of gave up on the game because it was not only too grindy...but there wasn't really much to it other than grindiness.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/r29i0l.jpg)
Post by: EuchreJack on April 29, 2011, 07:21:58 am
Oh, and XP gains really decrease with level. However, the maximum realistic level is around 50, so keep that in mind.
Mutants should never go over the level at which they obtain the same number of body parts as normal humanoids.
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2011, 08:57:08 am
Hey look, somebody was murdered, I wonder if there is a lost wallet around!
*Looks around*
*Sees the dead body of creepy graveyard guy*
*Takes sword that ends all*
I AM THE GOD OF WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: kcwong on April 29, 2011, 10:46:39 am
I think the next best thing is killing people in party quests. If you kill a lot of beggars you might even get lucky and receive a great artifact - that's how I got that one for the first time.
Post by: Virroken on April 29, 2011, 01:25:04 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on April 29, 2011, 01:38:40 pm
Would anyone be interested in a "Let's Play and Try to Actually Beat Elona"? It'll probably end up being a succession game, since nobody has enough gumption to run it through to the end.
I'd love to see a LP of Elona. And from what I've seen in this thread, your LP would be highly instructive. Let your successors play as your decendents!
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on April 29, 2011, 02:01:35 pm
Would anyone be interested in a "Let's Play and Try to Actually Beat Elona"? It'll probably end up being a succession game, since nobody has enough gumption to run it through to the end.
I'd love to see a LP of Elona. And from what I've seen in this thread, your LP would be highly instructive. Let your successors play as your decendents!
Might be a bit hard to beat seeing as the main quest isn't finished yet. :P
Huh, I wasn't even aware Noa had quit developing the game, that explains why it's been a year since the last Beta version. Some people have already taken up the reins though, with the source provided.
The main project is Jdstroy's project to port it to Java, I'm working on with the HSP version, cuz hey, god mode's fun :P
Post by: baruk on April 29, 2011, 02:09:09 pm
Haven't played in a year or so, but I have a level 30 warmage with decent stats. Sort of gave up on the game because it was not only too grindy...but there wasn't really much to it other than grindiness.Nice stats! Here's my Outdated Tank:
(http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5687/outdatedtank.png) (http://img59.imageshack.us/i/outdatedtank.png/)
Post by: Max White on April 29, 2011, 08:13:59 pm
Post by: Micro102 on April 30, 2011, 05:45:42 pm
Also, are artifacts things that are named? Or is it more complicated then that?
Post by: Ochita on April 30, 2011, 05:49:21 pm
Sell them. Unless you go to a party, because then you know if its there.
Post by: Micro102 on April 30, 2011, 05:53:28 pm
Post by: Ochita on April 30, 2011, 05:57:44 pm
Post by: Bouchart on April 30, 2011, 06:05:29 pm
I keep getting scrolls of oracle, and they are madly valuable, so i sell them. However I WANT to use them yet when i do all they do is give me a town and date. I don't see how this is useful to me at all unless it's telling me where to go to find an item I cannot afford.
Also, are artifacts things that are named? Or is it more complicated then that?
All a scroll of oracle does is read some plain text file that exists somewhere in the Elona directory. Sell the scroll and just open the file if you need to know about generated artifacts.
Post by: Micro102 on April 30, 2011, 06:21:18 pm
Post by: Ochita on April 30, 2011, 06:24:10 pm
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MAGIC ARROW.
Post by: Hyo on April 30, 2011, 08:01:27 pm
But in my latest elona game, I quit after I hit level twenty five. Props to anyone who has the patience to go over that, though.
Post by: EuchreJack on April 30, 2011, 08:51:39 pm
How much do you need to invest to get potions of descent? I'm getting regular PoPotentials at around ~60, but have never seen a PoDescent.
I'm still researching it.
Post by: Micro102 on April 30, 2011, 09:02:16 pm
Scrolls of oracle are valuable? They're only 2000gp each for selling them right? And you get a bunch at the puppy cave... Do not understand. o.o
But in my latest elona game, I quit after I hit level twenty five. Props to anyone who has the patience to go over that, though.
It's 1200 last time I sold them and that's waaaaay more than other scrolls which are only around 200-300 gold.
Post by: beorn080 on April 30, 2011, 09:06:29 pm
Post by: kcwong on April 30, 2011, 09:07:28 pm
Scrolls of oracle are valuable? They're only 2000gp each for selling them right? And you get a bunch at the puppy cave... Do not understand. o.o
But in my latest elona game, I quit after I hit level twenty five. Props to anyone who has the patience to go over that, though.
Scrolls are easy to carry around, and they stack. NPC adventurers love scrolls of oracles... you can trade their good items easily with a stack of scrolls of oracle. Stand next to the NPC adventurer, drop part of your stack. Then try to trade. If refused, pick some back up and try again.
Post by: LordBucket on April 30, 2011, 09:07:45 pm
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How much do you need to invest to get potions of descent?Just one player's opinion: I think the "don't level" advice is generally overstated. Yes, it's counterproductive to farm dungeons for levels, but so long as you train your character's stats and skills and gear up, it should never be necessary to deliberately avoid leveling.
You will benefit, however, from keeping your fame low in the early game. Low fame will prevent the unkillable bandit spawns, and it's easy to do: just look up the quest tpes on the wiki, identify the quests that can be failed to lose fame with no loss of karma, and every time you visit a town pick up every single one of these quests, and fail enough of them to keep your fame at zero for a while.
In the early game the harvest quests should do quite nicely. You won't be able to complete them, and picking vegetables trains a bunch of stats and skills, in particular consitution which is very convenient to have lots of. Just go through Yowyn every time you travel between Palmia and Vernis, do all these quests and you should be covered for quite some time.
Performance quests are also a good way to keep fame low. There's no other penalty for failling them, and if you have to have (or buy) performance skill, completeing these quests will eventually become a good source of gold.
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scrolls of oracle, and they are madly valuable, so i sell them. However I WANT to use themI never found them to be useful. ID them and sell them, or stockpile and trade them to adventureers like kcwong is suggesting. Though personally I foudn potions of cure corruption to be better for that, though slightly less common at the early stages of the game.
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are artifacts things that are named?Yes.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Artifact
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Scrolls of oracle are valuable? They're only 2000gp each for selling them right?Which is a lot of gold for a first time player with a new character and no performance skill or store.
General advice to any aspiring elona player: don't worry about dungeons for a while. Do delivery and harvest quests for platinum and to learn new skills. There are lots of skills that will benefit you that you probably didn't start with, and you'll need hundreds of platinum to learn them. Start early. If you simply do this, trade for adventurers for gear, and level from questing rather than dungeons, you'll rapidly get ahead of the difficulty curve that most players like to warn about.
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2011, 09:09:23 pm
Post by: Ochita on April 30, 2011, 09:18:20 pm
So many good mutations.
Post by: Bouchart on April 30, 2011, 10:41:06 pm
Post by: Max White on April 30, 2011, 10:44:27 pm
About potions of descent: zombies can drop them on rare occasions. Start a zombie ranch.
This game is so full of win.
Post by: Ochita on May 01, 2011, 12:31:05 am
Post by: Virroken on May 01, 2011, 12:40:54 am
I have two zombie ranches running, but the drop rate for potions of descent is too low for the ranches to be more effective than dumping gold into magic vendors.
Post by: Micro102 on May 08, 2011, 10:30:43 pm
How do I boost my ranged accuracy? I keep replacing items with higher hit bonuses. Yet somehow my melee attack, which is untrained is more accurate.
Post by: SalmonGod on May 09, 2011, 12:45:19 am
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Post by: SalmonGod on May 09, 2011, 12:57:42 am
I looked through the list of controls and never noticed 'o' for open listed anywhere. I must be blind.
Post by: EuchreJack on May 09, 2011, 03:36:28 am
Necro, as I am addicted tot his game. ;D
How do I boost my ranged accuracy? I keep replacing items with higher hit bonuses. Yet somehow my melee attack, which is untrained is more accurate.
Ranged weapons tend to be less accurate than melee. Also, all attack skills start at skill 4 minimum, so there is really no such thing as "untrained" weapon skill in Elona. Just keep using your ranged attack, and eventually you'll get better at it.
As for actually hitting targets, note that accuracy varies based on the range of the target and the weapon used. Shotguns generally can't hit anything past 3 spaces, for instance. If you want to attack foes across the screen, you'll want a longbow or laser pistol. List of Ranged Weapon ranges (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ranged_Weapons)
Post by: Max White on May 09, 2011, 03:47:38 am
Post by: SalmonGod on May 09, 2011, 03:52:31 am
Post by: Max White on May 09, 2011, 03:55:40 am
Post by: SalmonGod on May 09, 2011, 04:07:58 am
The basic idea of the fairy pianist is that you don't even have any equipment for yourself, because by the time you come across a new chest plate, you have three new party members to equip. So yea, you can afford the best shit in that money can buy, but you give it to your pets.
Yeah, that's my problem. I haven't figured out how to make good use of allies. Totally doing it wrong.
Post by: EuchreJack on May 09, 2011, 04:20:58 am
Oh, and use scrolls of inferior material on any good artifacts so your fairy can use them. You have the jeweler skill, which is used to make scrolls of inferior material with a gemcutter.
Post by: Max White on May 09, 2011, 04:53:28 am
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Post by: Micro102 on May 09, 2011, 08:20:59 pm
Just do not try and catch a nurse. Seems like a good idea, but it isn't. It is a bad idea.
But when you find one, abuse it and summon monsters to fight.
Post by: Max White on May 09, 2011, 08:35:19 pm
So cash...
Post by: Micro102 on May 10, 2011, 12:13:59 am
Also, I find it so abusive to simply close the window when you don't like something and start at the last save point. Technically, I haven't died yet.
Also, trying to do the yeek quest but the first level has this freaking unkillable Yeek. He is tougher then a hermit crab but can teleport away, heal, and summon tons of yeek. I basically go in, shoot at everything and try to hurt him, fail, go outside, heal, and try again. I must have killed 200 yeeks so far.
Post by: Max White on May 10, 2011, 12:22:32 am
Post by: kcwong on May 10, 2011, 12:36:47 am
Try to find a pair in shop, or do party quests and kill the nobles. They sometimes carry Shena's panties.
Grenades works well to clear a path to him too. Thrown weapons are very great in Elona.
Post by: Max White on May 10, 2011, 12:41:06 am
To kill the Yeek boss, you need to get some panties.
Damn this game is so full of win.
Post by: Micro102 on May 10, 2011, 05:46:01 am
Post by: Neyvn on May 10, 2011, 06:10:52 am
Suddenly I am an outlaw and lost a ton of cash and all my gear at the starting city... T_T
Post by: Hyo on May 10, 2011, 06:14:31 am
Post by: Neyvn on May 10, 2011, 06:32:56 am
Did you have Seven-Leagues yet? If you did, it should've been quite possible to complete the quest, even from Vernis.Nope was a Fresh Character that was doing Delivery runs. I rarly get any Wishes from the Wells and last time I did was to get a Corruption Potion for the damn Etherwind that caught me mid treck...
Post by: Farce on May 10, 2011, 07:38:40 am
I've never -ever- been able to find me Seven League Boots.
Post by: Micro102 on May 10, 2011, 10:30:15 am
Also, would it be a better idea to give the boots to your horse or wear them yourself? (idk is a horse can wear boots.)
Post by: Blaze on May 10, 2011, 11:45:39 am
I haven't even ever gottena wish :(
Also, would it be a better idea to give the boots to your horse or wear them yourself? (idk is a horse can wear boots.)
Horses have leg slots, two to be precise, so they can wear two boots.
Post by: Darvi on May 10, 2011, 11:46:42 am
Post by: Blaze on May 10, 2011, 11:52:28 am
How d'ya unequip your companions? or, for that matter, take items away from them. It sucks to get told that they are carrying too many items and I can't give them better equipment."i" -> their direction (You must be next to them), choose inventory. Press "9" on your numpad or "Tab".
Don't try to take back engagement jewelry, since that lowers their affection significantly.
Post by: Supercharazad on May 10, 2011, 12:13:08 pm
How d'ya unequip your companions? or, for that matter, take items away from them. It sucks to get told that they are carrying too many items and I can't give them better equipment."i" -> their direction (You must be next to them), choose inventory. Press "9" on your numpad or "Tab".
Don't try to take back engagement jewelry, since that lowers their affection significantly.
And they swallow it.
Post by: Micro102 on May 10, 2011, 02:27:45 pm
Also, you can also G give them stuff, and use 7 or 9 to cycle to take.
They will choose the most valuable (note not useful) equipment they have an equip it.
Post by: Virroken on May 10, 2011, 09:08:21 pm
(G)ive + tab = Take.
(D)rop + tab = holy mother theres a bajillion menus here.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on May 10, 2011, 09:40:56 pm
Post by: ein on May 10, 2011, 10:07:42 pm
Useful UI tip for laptop players: You can tab through menus.
(G)ive + tab = Take.
(D)rop + tab = holy mother theres a bajillion menus here.
Isn't that a useful tip for bloody well everybody?
Though, my laptop has a full-sized keyboard.
I couldn't live without my numpad. :b
Post by: EuchreJack on May 11, 2011, 02:04:40 pm
Post by: Tarran on May 11, 2011, 02:09:30 pm
And a little random bit of insanity: Having a little tail with someone sometimes gives the NPC in question random stat bonuses if you keep doing it. Like "xxx begins to feel good when being hit hard". *Gag*
Post by: EuchreJack on May 11, 2011, 02:12:42 pm
And a little random bit of insanity: Having a little tail with someone sometimes gives the NPC in question random stat bonuses if you keep doing it. Like "xxx begins to feel good when being hit hard". *Gag*
This game is EPIC!
Post by: kcwong on May 11, 2011, 08:55:20 pm
Numpads=important
And a little random bit of insanity: Having a little tail with someone sometimes gives the NPC in question random stat bonuses if you keep doing it. Like "xxx begins to feel good when being hit hard". *Gag*
You can feel that way yourself... it's the message the game uses to indicate someone gained toughness by getting damaged a lot.
Post by: Max White on May 11, 2011, 08:57:52 pm
Implying that your 'tail' skill is not only existent, but based on constitution...
Post by: EuchreJack on May 11, 2011, 11:48:22 pm
Post by: Max White on May 11, 2011, 11:52:09 pm
Post by: Zangi on May 12, 2011, 12:55:49 am
Did you know, the recipient of the tail could have a bout of insanity.Numpads=important
And a little random bit of insanity: Having a little tail with someone sometimes gives the NPC in question random stat bonuses if you keep doing it. Like "xxx begins to feel good when being hit hard". *Gag*
You can feel that way yourself... it's the message the game uses to indicate someone gained toughness by getting damaged a lot.
Post by: Micro102 on May 17, 2011, 12:51:06 pm
Also, is a horn or harmonica just as good as a piano?
Post by: Ochita on May 17, 2011, 12:54:27 pm
Oh, I got a weapon that deals 1D112 damage...
Its a gold piano.
Post by: Darvi on May 17, 2011, 12:54:43 pm
Post by: Ochita on May 17, 2011, 01:10:05 pm
No kidding. I now have it. Its gold. Its very heavy.
Its gathering dust.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on May 17, 2011, 01:35:48 pm
Post by: Akura on May 17, 2011, 05:38:12 pm
You want a harmonica. They are just as good.I can only imagine what a 112-sided die would look like...
Oh, I got a weapon that deals 1D112 damage...
Its a gold piano.
Post by: Micro102 on May 17, 2011, 08:00:15 pm
You want a harmonica. They are just as good.I can only imagine what a 112-sided die would look like...
Oh, I got a weapon that deals 1D112 damage...
Its a gold piano.
Well, it's not impossible...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zocchihedron
Post by: Patchy on May 18, 2011, 12:36:30 am
Post by: olemars on May 18, 2011, 07:22:39 am
So off I go to get horribly murdered or possibly mutated into some hideous freak of nature.
Often this happens simultaneously. And early.
Post by: Max White on May 18, 2011, 07:26:39 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on May 18, 2011, 07:27:17 am
It's the Ether weapons that mutate ya
Post by: Max White on May 18, 2011, 07:30:51 am
Post by: EuchreJack on May 18, 2011, 08:26:41 am
Pro Tip: The elves that start in your house are dicks. Buy a nuke and kill them for their gear! Bwah ha ha!
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on May 18, 2011, 08:27:41 am
Post by: Tarran on May 18, 2011, 03:00:21 pm
Post by: Patchy on May 18, 2011, 10:31:28 pm
Post by: Micro102 on May 19, 2011, 12:56:02 am
Also have an alchemy rod, gives me mischievous things to do with it.
Post by: Tarran on May 19, 2011, 01:08:21 am
I got a spell book of wishing a a handful of recharge scrolls with a low casting skill but a ridiculous amount of stocked spells. How far do you think i can get by spamming spells to get my casting up then spamming wish spells?Not very far for a very, very long time, according to the wiki. Even with 72 Casting, it's only a 20% chance, and at 597 MP cost. And, in addition, if you use the 1.17+ betas, the chance goes down as you cast it. I don't know if that's even if you fail, but considering the writer used a lot of exclamation marks, I assume it does even if you fail.
So, basically, just give up and cry unless you're willing to spend a frickton of time on getting your MP and spellcasting up.
Post by: Micro102 on May 19, 2011, 01:23:45 am
Post by: Virroken on May 19, 2011, 03:55:47 am
Post by: Hyo on May 19, 2011, 04:51:37 am
Post by: Micro102 on May 19, 2011, 10:57:29 am
Post by: EuchreJack on May 20, 2011, 12:26:24 am
O, so my first cast will almost be assured? Now all I need is to find ways to increase my mana by 200 :(
He he, no.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 11, 2011, 05:15:43 pm
Where the hell do I find Kitty Banks?
Post by: Max White on June 11, 2011, 05:32:17 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 11, 2011, 05:38:07 pm
Post by: Max White on June 11, 2011, 05:43:52 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 11, 2011, 06:01:12 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 11, 2011, 09:01:23 pm
Don't pick up equipment (other than rings and amulets). They are usually crap, they sell for crap, and they are heavy.
Bring lots of food, and not just food cargo, since if you're caught in etherwind you do not want to go outside but stay inside.
If you can, bring a sleeping bag for the same reason above, it's really hard to sleep without a bed until you're REALLY sleepy. And sleeping will save you a lot of time hitting the rest key.
Post by: Max White on June 11, 2011, 09:10:21 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 11, 2011, 10:28:42 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 11, 2011, 10:33:55 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 11, 2011, 11:38:06 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 11, 2011, 11:43:24 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 12, 2011, 01:22:08 am
Well, I'm not. A cursed feather hat is stealing all of it. All the magic vendors are out of uncurse scrolls.
Post by: Blaze on June 12, 2011, 01:26:06 am
How am I making money, you ask?
Well, I'm not. A cursed feather hat is stealing all of it. All the magic vendors are out of uncurse scrolls.
Get scrolls of inferior material, turn the hat into raw or candy, then eat it.
SoIM are fairly common as drops, can be bought from shops, or be made with the jeweler skill (at skill level 1).
Post by: Tarran on June 12, 2011, 01:27:06 am
Another way is an Inferior Material scroll or (much smaller chance to succeed) Change Material scroll on the hat and hope it makes it raw. Then eat it.
Or Holy Water. Get water, a god, drop water on an altar to the god, pick it up and mix it with your hat.
PPE: Partial Ninja. Whatever. I'm still posting this so blah.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 12, 2011, 01:29:28 am
Post by: Max White on June 12, 2011, 01:29:35 am
Post by: Tarran on June 12, 2011, 01:30:22 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 12, 2011, 12:59:21 pm
Which totally sucks because you're gonna need a vanish curse scroll (I think that's what it's called).
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 12, 2011, 03:05:04 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 12, 2011, 03:08:55 pm
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Only black market vendors will sell enchanted equipment; investing in other shops will not allow them to stock such items. The best shop to invest in is the magic shop in order to get more scrolls of change material. You will also want to look out for Blessed Restore Potions as these will give you semi-permanent stat bonus.
You can invest in others, but I doubt there would be any real profit from doing so.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 12, 2011, 06:27:50 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 12, 2011, 06:30:13 pm
Anyway, 'Bronze Cleric Cinnamon', lulz, Random Name Generator you so silly.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 12, 2011, 08:22:34 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 12, 2011, 08:23:37 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2011, 08:26:08 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 12, 2011, 08:34:24 pm
I'd say to go with the metal mail. It depends what race you are, really.Jeure, Thief.
Post by: Tarran on June 12, 2011, 08:38:41 pm
I need some help with this game. In quests, i don't get how to find certain items. I haven't even been able to complete one of those quests. For example, where the heck can i find something like a sign or a lantern? There's got to be an easier way to find them besides searching the whole world.Goods shops and General Stores off the top of my head. Also two of the stores in the Embassy. Lanterns, picks, and other crap can also be found for free in the Putit Infestation (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Putit_Infestation)'s dungeon. Though watch out for the later enemies of the dungeon... They're far, FAR worse than the Putits.
And do i have to identify every item? Because that costs a lot.Don't worry, the amount of money they cost will get less and less extreme for you as the game goes on.
But, other ways to identify them:
Wear them (if equipment). Note that this only identifies very basic attributes of the item and if it's blessed, normal, cursed, or doomed. Dangerous! You could put on a Cursed or Doomed item, the latter being extremely hard to get off of your character and also the most painful.
Carry them for a long time (quite slow). This identifies most or all of the attributes of the items as far as I can tell.
Use them (if scrolls, rods, or potions). This will only identify the type of item. Not recommended that you try them on yourself or any of your valuable items if you do this, or try them on other non-enemy NPCs.
That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Anyway, here's the wiki (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki) just in case you haven't found it yet.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2011, 08:51:27 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 12, 2011, 09:23:22 pm
Well...I'd say to go with the metal mail. It depends what race you are, really.Jeure, Thief.
You want the PV.
Evade would be good, although you can do DV.
Post by: beorn080 on June 12, 2011, 09:25:42 pm
What's better, a silver mail with 2 DV and 11 PV with darkness protection or a metal mail with 1 DV and 15 PV with protection from fire?Both. Though, it sounds like neither is special, so it doesn't matter too much. Resistances are very useful, but base level ones from material doesn't matter too much, unless you have a full suit of that material. Even then, a full suit of Glass gear is likely better for the massive speed bonus.
Post by: Interus on June 12, 2011, 11:51:08 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 13, 2011, 12:04:09 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 13, 2011, 01:41:51 am
Are the names on that voting board ALL randomly generated? It seems like mostly a joke thing, but the one in my current game has "The Hero Link" as number one. This world is perfect.Those are the nicknames of the other people who play Elona
Post by: Blaze on June 13, 2011, 06:00:33 am
What's better, a silver mail with 2 DV and 11 PV with darkness protection or a metal mail with 1 DV and 15 PV with protection from fire?
DV is a bit useful in the beginning, but as you progress, you'll want more PV. Both are useless against magic though, so definitely go for building resistances.
I'd say go with metal, fire is a lot more common than darkness.
Of course, it also depends on whether you're using light, medium, or heavy armor skill. Silver is a fair bit lighter than metal.
Post by: Vibhor on June 13, 2011, 10:41:04 pm
I have seen this kind of system for ages but didn't understood a damn.
Post by: Neonivek on June 13, 2011, 11:19:51 pm
Are you sure he really summon them? He could've accidentally failed at reading a book and spawned them.
Anyway, 'Bronze Cleric Cinnamon', lulz, Random Name Generator you so silly.
Why do I feel like "Bronze Cleric Cinnamon" could be a real anime?
probably because Cinnamon is an anime on its own.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 13, 2011, 11:32:53 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 14, 2011, 12:38:08 am
Question, should I get a Ranch, Farm or Museum?
Post by: Ochita on June 14, 2011, 01:34:12 am
Farm is a joke, so no, Museum is good if you have loads of unique cards and figurines, otherwise no.
Post by: Blaze on June 14, 2011, 02:58:30 am
Can you return to a god that you defected from eventually. I'm worshiping Kumiromi so I could get the scythe (It seems to be the best weapon a fairy can use) but now that I have it I want to get some more treasures for me and god weapons for my pets. That said without Kumiromi it is kinda pointless having a farm. So I can return to him once I get what I want, right?
Yep, at any time. When leaving a god, you lose any "Faith points" you've accumulated and get hit with a 10,000 turn curse; but otherwise there's nothing else.
Welp, I stole the kitty bank from Noyel (10k) and I am currently saving up for... Something.
Question, should I get a Ranch, Farm or Museum?
Depends, the ranch is useless without the ability to catch monsters, and the museum is useless without statues/cards. Ranches can make decent amounts of money and corpses for stats, but the museum can make bank with little player interaction aside from placing statues/cards.
Putits can easily be caught with a domination rod and any level of magic device, breed quickly, and give charisma when eaten; where the museum is easily maxed out with lots of Gwen the Innocent statues/cards.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 14, 2011, 04:38:27 am
Welp, I stole the kitty bank from Noyel (10k) and I am currently saving up for... Something.
Question, should I get a Ranch, Farm or Museum?
If you have a high growing skill then farming is excellent, and if you worship Kumiromi of Harvest you get seeds from decomposed food and corpses.
Also you can grow artifacts.
Post by: mendonca on June 14, 2011, 07:22:43 am
Post by: Vibhor on June 14, 2011, 08:59:37 am
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I never tire of listening to anecdotes and advice about Elona.
Remember, Everyone LOOOOVES Shena's ass
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 14, 2011, 11:33:08 am
You could bounce a quarter off of it!I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I never tire of listening to anecdotes and advice about Elona.
Remember, Everyone LOOOOVES Shena's ass
Post by: Blaze on June 14, 2011, 11:47:13 am
How does she stay in such great shape?You could bounce a quarter off of it!I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I never tire of listening to anecdotes and advice about Elona.
Remember, Everyone LOOOOVES Shena's ass
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 14, 2011, 12:46:06 pm
ಠ_ಠ
And not a cure in sight.
Post by: Ochita on June 14, 2011, 01:00:13 pm
Just drink potions of cure mutation, and cure corruption, which you can get from the casino.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 14, 2011, 01:09:42 pm
EDIT: You guys have inspired me to start a new character for the !!FUN!! of it. Any suggestions on Race/Class/Feats?
Post by: Weirdsound on June 14, 2011, 01:38:42 pm
Blackjack is so much fun! Just get the random luck event thing and GET YOUR GAME ON!!! It's like infinite free potions of cure corruption and artifacts.
EDIT: You guys have inspired me to start a new character for the !!FUN!! of it. Any suggestions on Race/Class/Feats?
Hmm... Why don't you try a Lich Farmer for the Lulz.
Post by: Blaze on June 14, 2011, 01:44:03 pm
Try a pianist, they're more fun than it sounds.
Also, in Elona, it's referred to as "{FUN}".
Post by: Moogie on June 14, 2011, 02:05:17 pm
What's the best way to keep your Level and Fame down, respectively?
Post by: Darvi on June 14, 2011, 02:10:43 pm
Post by: snelg on June 14, 2011, 02:12:04 pm
Just started playing again, it's been so long that I pretty much had to learn everything again.For fame, failing missions works well. Preferably ones which don't give any other penalties (karma). You'll quickly become a criminal if you fail escorting people or delivering items.
What's the best way to keep your Level and Fame down, respectively?
Post by: Blaze on June 14, 2011, 02:15:50 pm
What's the best way to keep your Level and Fame down, respectively?
For level, some equipment has the ability "Stunts your growth" which drains experience from you at random times. Also, if you start a zombie ranch you can nab some potions of descent.
For fame, take quests - non-delivery/escort only - and fail them. In hunting quests you can walk right out of the encounter, hopefully before you get attacked by anything. For fetch or cooking quests, let the timer run out. In harvest quests you can just eat the fruits right off the floor, and the monsters aren't anything too difficult.
Alternatively, if you don't have or don't mind losing pet arena rank, head to the arena and give up repeatedly.
Post by: Hyo on June 14, 2011, 02:19:25 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 14, 2011, 02:43:01 pm
Gain positive karma by paying fines, something which is made difficult by the guards killing you every time you enter the embassy.
I'd say not rendering the game unplayable is worth the charisma hit
Post by: Darvi on June 14, 2011, 02:45:31 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 14, 2011, 02:49:22 pm
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt194/sgtjacob1/RAGE.png)
....
*counts coins*
5,054
RRRAAAAAGGGGEEEEE
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 14, 2011, 03:39:07 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 14, 2011, 04:25:31 pm
"YES! A POTION OF CURE CORRUPTION AT A VENDOR! NOW I CAN CURE MYSELF AND BE AS DEADLY AS MY LEVEL AND KILL SLIMES AND COMPLETE THAT QUEST AND-Yeah, they're pretty expensive. Though that's a good thing; get enough, you can get artifacts off of other adventurers.
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt194/sgtjacob1/RAGE.png)
....
*counts coins*
5,054
RRRAAAAAGGGGEEEEE
Anyway, if you want a PoCC, get blackjacking. Win 4-5 times (Not more, not less, or you won't get it) with a bet of 1 chip and you'll get a PoCC.
Post by: Akura on June 14, 2011, 05:25:21 pm
Spoiler: A recent random list of nicknames (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tarran on June 14, 2011, 05:29:53 pm
The game is trying to convince you to have a little tail. <_<
Post by: Ochita on June 14, 2011, 05:44:57 pm
Welp time to train up my slapping.
Also my performing. Little girls always throw engagement stuff.
I sell it all.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 14, 2011, 06:08:17 pm
Post by: Akura on June 14, 2011, 08:17:42 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 14, 2011, 08:32:45 pm
I now own a little girl ranch. Fun times.
Post by: Rex_Nex on June 14, 2011, 08:49:19 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 14, 2011, 08:59:54 pm
First Goal? Grind grind grind grind grind...
Girls: Go to Vernis and pick a Little Girl out of all the other selections.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 14, 2011, 09:09:48 pm
I decided to pull up a Golem Warrior. One of the titles was "Queen of Spiders" so my friend and I said "OHMYGOD YES IT'S TOTALLY VRISKA!!!11!!"... except it doesn't save titles. We did make a Vriska character, just with a different title. Mother Scorpion or something.
Post by: Dakk on June 14, 2011, 09:15:09 pm
Post by: Vibhor on June 14, 2011, 10:03:17 pm
Just downloaded this. Anyone got any tips for a pure newbie? So far, all I did was run outside of the starting area, get shot to death by a punk, then alt+f4. Any classes/races particularly suited to newbies? What should be my first goal? Wheres the little girls?
Don't fight punks. They are peaceful.
Don't do any job on the bill board.
Download the world map from the wiki.
Only do birthday and I want it! quests if you have the item or have a pricey item that you can trade in the case of I want it!
Grab scrolls, rods, potions in the puppy dungeon and drink/read/zap them.
Sell the useless scrolls and potions and store the uncurse scroll and identify scrolls. Also do not read scrolls in your house.
Grab books in the dungeon too but do not read them, instead just identify them.
The equipment in the puppy dungeon is useless so don't even pick it up.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 14, 2011, 10:11:13 pm
I proposed to it. It refused.
Post by: beorn080 on June 14, 2011, 10:15:33 pm
Post by: Detonate on June 14, 2011, 10:19:22 pm
Little girls can breed anything IIRC.
The wiki says they have a 50% chance of breeding something other than little girls. Also, I noticed that my Putit breeder has a breed power of 666. I wonder if this is for all Putits.
EDIT: Can I use a Rod of Domination on someone and it won't be hostile? I want to breed nobles.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 14, 2011, 11:17:21 pm
I wanna try a mutant this time around, but I can't play Elona on the laptop without it completely messing up my keys. I don't know, it just shuffles them around, and when i close it, it stays that way.
Turn off Auto numlock, which can be found in the game's options, or set the value to 0 in the config file directly.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 14, 2011, 11:19:50 pm
Can I use a Rod of Domination on someone and it won't be hostile? I want to breed nobles.
IIRC, I think you can't dominate townie npcs with either the rod or spell. That's kinda sad, since you'd like to sell them to the slave master for their tastes in music.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 15, 2011, 12:02:09 am
Post by: kcwong on June 15, 2011, 12:50:56 am
Can I use a Rod of Domination on someone and it won't be hostile? I want to breed nobles.
IIRC, I think you can't dominate townie npcs with either the rod or spell. That's kinda sad, since you'd like to sell them to the slave master for their tastes in music.
What if you do it during a party quest?
Post by: Vibhor on June 15, 2011, 01:15:32 am
What is the better weapon out of these two?
A steel wakizashi (4d4+3)(8)
A metal claymore (3d6+2)
Also, could anyone explain how does this system of damage works? I haven't grasped it at all(haven't played DnD)
Post by: Tarran on June 15, 2011, 01:18:34 am
Post by: Vibhor on June 15, 2011, 01:31:41 am
The wakizashi. Clear winner. It's lighter, has higher minimum damage, and I think (though I'm not 100% sure) has an additional bonus as dictated in the "(8)".
Ah ok.
So that 4 before d is minimum damage whereas the 4 after d is maximum damage?
And that is an 8, which is hit bonus. So yeah I guess you are right.
Also does anybody knows where the flippin hell can I find an instrument?
I have killed bards in port kapul, vernis, lumiest, palmia and yowyn. None of them dropped anything except cards and figurines.
Post by: Tarran on June 15, 2011, 01:35:54 am
Ah ok.The "4d4" means: 4 dice that have 4 sides. The first is the number of dice, the second is the number of sides.
So that 4 before d is minimum damage whereas the 4 after d is maximum damage?
Since the minimum a dice can roll is 1, 4 is the minimum of all dice combined (AKA they all roll a 1). The max is 16 (they all roll a 4).
Similarly, a 2d10 would be 2 dice of 10 sides. Minimum would be 2, max would be 20.
Post by: Vibhor on June 15, 2011, 01:49:38 am
Ah ok.The "4d4" means: 4 dice that have 4 sides. The first is the number of dice, the second is the number of sides.
So that 4 before d is minimum damage whereas the 4 after d is maximum damage?
Since the minimum a dice can roll is 1, 4 is the minimum of all dice combined (AKA they all roll a 1). The max is 16 (they all roll a 4).
Similarly, a 2d10 would be 2 dice of 10 sides. Minimum would be 2, max would be 20.
So in order to get max damage I multiply both numbers and the minimum damage is the number before 'd'?
Post by: Tarran on June 15, 2011, 01:59:03 am
Yes, and yes.Ah ok.The "4d4" means: 4 dice that have 4 sides. The first is the number of dice, the second is the number of sides.
So that 4 before d is minimum damage whereas the 4 after d is maximum damage?
Since the minimum a dice can roll is 1, 4 is the minimum of all dice combined (AKA they all roll a 1). The max is 16 (they all roll a 4).
Similarly, a 2d10 would be 2 dice of 10 sides. Minimum would be 2, max would be 20.
So in order to get max damage I multiply both numbers and the minimum damage is the number before 'd'?
Post by: beorn080 on June 15, 2011, 04:43:23 am
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 15, 2011, 05:59:14 am
Check near Lumiest. There is a Graveyard. Go there.I found lots of yummy food and booze there, eat/drank it and vomited on the altar. Nothing happened.
I still don't believe in God...
Post by: Akura on June 15, 2011, 06:04:12 am
Prostitutes in Derphy can be(according to the wiki), and can still sell their services(to you, or to others) when you do.Can I use a Rod of Domination on someone and it won't be hostile? I want to breed nobles.
IIRC, I think you can't dominate townie npcs with either the rod or spell. That's kinda sad, since you'd like to sell them to the slave master for their tastes in music.
Post by: Blaze on June 15, 2011, 06:16:50 am
Post by: beorn080 on June 15, 2011, 06:17:33 am
I was talking to Vibhor.Check near Lumiest. There is a Graveyard. Go there.I found lots of yummy food and booze there, eat/drank it and vomited on the altar. Nothing happened.
I still don't believe in God...
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 15, 2011, 07:05:10 am
Regardless, Noble ranches, here I go!
Post by: Darvi on June 15, 2011, 07:06:06 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 15, 2011, 07:07:44 am
Post by: Vibhor on June 15, 2011, 08:16:34 am
I was talking to Vibhor.Check near Lumiest. There is a Graveyard. Go there.I found lots of yummy food and booze there, eat/drank it and vomited on the altar. Nothing happened.
I still don't believe in God...
Coincidentally I found a harmonica on a guy in palmia right after you posted this.
Post by: Dakk on June 15, 2011, 12:14:01 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 15, 2011, 12:41:09 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 15, 2011, 12:42:20 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 15, 2011, 12:42:39 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 15, 2011, 12:43:08 pm
Post by: Vibhor on June 15, 2011, 12:49:05 pm
You become more and more insane as you do more insane things(eat humans, mind corruption etc). It becomes more stable with eating stuff like hermit crab corpse or young sister lunch.
Oh and has anyone had any encounter with aliens? From their description, they sound very annoying(but I love the whole abortion idea)
Post by: Darvi on June 15, 2011, 12:50:08 pm
Sanity isn't a bad thingMade my day.
Post by: Tarran on June 15, 2011, 12:54:02 pm
Oh and has anyone had any encounter with aliens? From their description, they sound very annoying(but I love the whole abortion idea)Yes.
Aside from their less than annoying impregnation attack, they have an Acid attack. Which is HORRIBLE as it activates every time they attack. Any piece of equipment that you have that isn't acidproof will take damage and be rendered useless quite quickly. In addition, they're decently tough.
Avoid them. And do whatever you can to avoid them impregnating NPCs.
Post by: Darvi on June 15, 2011, 01:05:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 15, 2011, 01:40:50 pm
Oh and has anyone had any encounter with aliens? From their description, they sound very annoying(but I love the whole abortion idea)Yes.
Aside from their less than annoying impregnation attack, they have an Acid attack. Which is HORRIBLE as it activates every time they attack. Any piece of equipment that you have that isn't acidproof will take damage and be rendered useless quite quickly. In addition, they're decently tough.
Avoid them. And do whatever you can to avoid them impregnating NPCs.
Nasty bitches they are. Still I remember having one as a pet with a previous character. They move fast and as long as you don't plan on collecting loot from the NPC's or fighting NPC's in town to start an infection they make fine allies.
Post by: Moogie on June 15, 2011, 05:31:34 pm
So, i'm back to elona, now actualy trying to do something useful with a character rather then just messing around. So, anyone can explain me the point of keeping your level down and how to do it?
From the wiki (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tips),
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Being a high level has almost no benefits for almost every race other than mutant. The higher your Constitution, Will and Learning are, the more health, MP, and skill points you receive each level, respectively. Taking longer to level means more time to raise those stats (although you do get health and MP retroactively for past levels when the above attributes go up). Also, when you enter the wilderness on the world map, the monsters that will spawn there as you walk around are based on your level (monsters initially there are based on proximity to towns and possibly other factors, though).
As for leveling slower, I don't know. But I read somewhere there's a scroll or spell that will apparently down-level you when you use it. I just tried looking for it on the wiki and can't find it, though.
Post by: Ochita on June 15, 2011, 05:36:36 pm
Hehe.
Jumped into really high level dungeon at level 1.
Got a emerald longsword.
Post by: Akura on June 15, 2011, 05:38:07 pm
As for leveling slower, I don't know. But I read somewhere there's a scroll or spell that will apparently down-level you when you use it. I just tried looking for it on the wiki and can't find it, though.Potion of Descent? I only saw it mentioned once in the wiki, so I don't know for sure what it does.
Post by: Moogie on June 15, 2011, 05:45:50 pm
Potion of Descent: (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Potion#descent)
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Drink: You lose one level and all EXP pertaining to that level. You cannot gain an extra feat by leveling up again, but you will gain more skill points. If blessed, gain a level instead. Cursed potions also reduce your stats.
Throw: Decreases the target's level by one.
Puddle: Same effect as drank, i.e. raise level if the potion that made the puddle was blessed, decrease stats if cursed.
Dip: Does nothing.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 15, 2011, 06:07:08 pm
Hm.That's actually a good idea. I'm off to try that now.
Hehe.
Jumped into really high level dungeon at level 1.
Got a emerald longsword.
Post by: Ochita on June 15, 2011, 06:15:12 pm
VERY EXTREMELY LUCKY.
Post by: Tarran on June 15, 2011, 06:22:30 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 15, 2011, 08:26:13 pm
Does store levels stay even if you carry on as your child?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 15, 2011, 08:27:33 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 15, 2011, 08:30:41 pm
Someone with decent artistic skill needs to draw a guy wearing civilian clothes face-down on a bloody piano, dead with sheenas panties jammed in the back of his skull.
Post by: Ochita on June 16, 2011, 09:17:52 am
So lethal.
Although my KILL KILL piano has an absurd damage range..
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 16, 2011, 09:18:40 am
Post by: Ochita on June 16, 2011, 09:19:56 am
Panties.
Panties are the most lethal joke weapon.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 16, 2011, 09:20:54 am
Slaughtering everything with Dragonslayer is fun
Post by: Darvi on June 16, 2011, 09:21:42 am
Slaughtering everything is fun/fixed
Post by: hachnslay on June 16, 2011, 11:01:59 am
last played on version 1.14 or 1.15 ... anything drastically changed since then?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 16, 2011, 11:51:54 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 16, 2011, 11:54:20 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 16, 2011, 12:57:33 pm
EDIT:
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt194/sgtjacob1/Idontgetit.png)
I don't get it.
Post by: Patchy on June 16, 2011, 01:29:37 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 16, 2011, 02:42:08 pm
Speaking of luck, how do you even raise it besides special events and mica?
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2011, 03:05:10 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2011, 05:31:16 pm
I summoned a lot of high level monsters. Which WOULD have been easy to get rid of if it were not for the fact that a MASS MONSTER was one of the ones spawned.
The ENTIRE CITY is now filled with them. Most or all of the NPCs are dead. I would pick up all the dropped loot were it not due to the FRICKTON of Mass Monsters in the city.
Yeeeaaaaaaah I'm not coming back to Palmia for a while.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 16, 2011, 05:31:35 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2011, 05:33:19 pm
No way.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 16, 2011, 05:37:26 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2011, 05:39:44 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 16, 2011, 05:41:11 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 16, 2011, 05:43:23 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 16, 2011, 05:49:31 pm
Everything is fighting again. It never ends. :P
Dur dur I threw the molotov I bought into the water dur dur.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 16, 2011, 06:06:42 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 16, 2011, 06:28:42 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 16, 2011, 06:30:48 pm
Post by: breadbocks on June 16, 2011, 06:31:53 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 16, 2011, 06:55:56 pm
I hate the feats section of char creation.
I think I'll just take all of the feats again.
All of them
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 16, 2011, 07:11:20 pm
It was raining.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 17, 2011, 01:53:28 am
Anyway, currently I own a Ranch, Farm and Shack out by Derphy. I'm part of the Thieve's guild, working on gaining favor of the god of harvest, everything in the farm has died. I have 3 little girls at the ranch, currently... Laying... Eggs... And a vampire bat which does nothing but shit all the time. Can't find a use for the shit, either. Merchants won't buy it, can't cook it, nothing. Currently a criminal at -100 karma and 1025 fame. I have 5 unpaid bills and my sack-thing got cursed and I can't find a scroll of uncurse or inferior material at any of the local hawkers.
Post by: breadbocks on June 17, 2011, 02:04:43 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 02:11:39 am
Dip the sack in holy water.That's what she said! :P
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 17, 2011, 02:18:56 am
Dip the sack in holy water.How would I go about that? I can't even take it off.
That's what she said! :PLol
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 02:20:01 am
How would I go about that? I can't even take it off.
That's what she said! :P
Post by: Vibhor on June 17, 2011, 02:22:31 am
Double post
Anyway, currently I own a Ranch, Farm and Shack out by Derphy. I'm part of the Thieve's guild, working on gaining favor of the god of harvest, everything in the farm has died. I have 3 little girls at the ranch, currently... Laying... Eggs... And a vampire bat which does nothing but shit all the time. Can't find a use for the shit, either. Merchants won't buy it, can't cook it, nothing. Currently a criminal at -100 karma and 1025 fame. I have 5 unpaid bills and my sack-thing got cursed and I can't find a scroll of uncurse or inferior material at any of the local hawkers.
Roam around in puppy dungeon. It seems to frequently have scrolls of uncurse.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 17, 2011, 02:45:02 am
Uh...
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 02:47:56 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 02:49:31 am
Taken back at the implications? Very.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 02:51:09 am
Post by: Vertigon on June 17, 2011, 02:59:41 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:00:30 am
Post by: Vertigon on June 17, 2011, 03:08:11 am
Bluh
Did I offend you? D:
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:12:00 am
Post by: Vertigon on June 17, 2011, 03:17:36 am
Post by: breadbocks on June 17, 2011, 03:19:42 am
That the little girls are being milked. It's fun and games to farm them, but that's just too far :PI actually read somewhere (Wikipedia's male nipples article, I think.) that some newborn babies (even boys) lactate during their first few months after birth. Reality is stranger than fiction. But only on par with Elona....
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:21:15 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 03:23:48 am
I actually read somewhere (Wikipedia's male nipples article, I think.) that some newborn babies (even boys) lactate during their first few months after birth. Reality is stranger than fiction. But only on par with Elona....
Ah human chemistry. It is because they are so heavily exposed to their mothers hormones for so many months, so start to develop some of the traits of a pregnant woman. It wears off soon.
Fucking lactation, how does it work?That is a question for wikipedia.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:26:50 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 03:27:45 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:28:50 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 03:29:26 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:31:41 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 03:35:14 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:37:10 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 03:38:40 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:39:16 am
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 03:40:50 am
Fine, you shall have your hat, but let it rest on your soul.... :P
Post by: Moogie on June 17, 2011, 03:41:23 am
Every time I turn in a lost wallet or suitcase, the guard gets "suspicious" and I end up losing 5 Karma. It keeps bumping me back down to Criminal status and I don't know what to do. I can barely crawl my way back past -30 before it happens again and I've wasted so much fucking time doing this today that it's really starting to kill the fun. If I knew of any easier way to get Karma, I'd just keep these damn items for myself, but I keep hoping that this time it'll be different... :(
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:42:24 am
@Moogie, If you hand in too many in quick succession guards do get suspicious, best to wait a few days/weeks before handing it in.
I shall do a bit of diving to try and find the exact value
Post by: Max White on June 17, 2011, 03:43:33 am
Hate to break up the offtopic banter, but I have a question...
Every time I turn in a lost wallet or suitcase, the guard gets "suspicious" and I end up losing 5 Karma. It keeps bumping me back down to Criminal status and I don't know what to do. I can barely crawl my way back past -30 before it happens again and I've wasted so much fucking time doing this today that it's really starting to kill the fun. If I knew of any easier way to get Karma, I'd just keep these damn items for myself, but I keep hoping that this time it'll be different... :(
Try not opening the wallet first.
You can't loot the wallet and still be a good person.
I'd much rather it rested on my head really.Hmm, were going to have to reorder then.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:45:24 am
Post by: Cyahnidde on June 17, 2011, 04:17:55 am
Post by: Moogie on June 17, 2011, 04:54:33 am
Good news is, I stayed above -30 long enough to start doing some quests, so I'm at -15 right now. The hard part is raising karma, while simultaneously trying to keep Fame low.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 04:56:34 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 17, 2011, 05:38:00 am
Could someone give me a correct config file that matches the help(?) menu keys?
I think the game comes with a pre-backed up one. You might want to look in your user folder. If it isn't there, look in the other folders.
Post by: Moogie on June 17, 2011, 06:14:03 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 17, 2011, 06:31:13 am
If you want to get a Lomias' weapons or that guy Whom dwells in Vanity[sic] unique sword, you can go and try to kill them. Note however, that they pack quite a punch, and in the case of that Vanity guy, it's an understatement.
Regardless, if you're interested in fetching artifacts, parties are the way to go.
Post by: Ochita on June 17, 2011, 09:13:11 am
Seriously, 4 thousand gold per performance*3= around 12 thousand or so.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 09:16:46 am
Just need a few more of the God's figurines now
Post by: Darvi on June 17, 2011, 09:21:06 am
Daaamn, I've been on the feats page for over 15 hours oO
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 09:24:54 am
Post by: Ochita on June 17, 2011, 09:31:39 am
My level 1 pianoist can eat rotten food..
Food problems solved!
Post by: Darvi on June 17, 2011, 09:37:35 am
I guess I'm not famous enough for that.
Post by: FunctionZero on June 17, 2011, 10:45:46 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Aw hell, I'm guessing at least half of the deaths are you people.
Post by: Darvi on June 17, 2011, 10:47:20 am
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Maximum Bastard Urist was killed by electric cloud in Vernis "NOOOO!"Heheheh.
Post by: Ochita on June 17, 2011, 10:53:27 am
Yayyyy.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 17, 2011, 11:53:53 am
Post by: Ochita on June 17, 2011, 11:58:19 am
Crystal spear?
3d14 at only 20 or so mana...?
Eh, its nice, but I'm only level 1..
Dreams, why you give super high level stuff like meteor to a level 1?
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 17, 2011, 12:05:56 pm
(http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt194/sgtjacob1/Magic2.png)
Too bad I'm not a wizard.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 17, 2011, 12:33:22 pm
-pictures-This. This ALWAYS happens to me. That wizard must be either really retarded to not be able to reach the right person, or multiple wizards who all look the same and all think similarly.
Too bad I'm not a wizard.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 17, 2011, 12:38:25 pm
I eventually gave up, and started over as a thief.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 17, 2011, 02:56:00 pm
I was drunk, blind, confused, poisoned, paralyzed all at the same time. Eventually I charged down the tunnel it was in and carved it with my artifact obsidian dagger. I got a bejeweled chest from it.
Post by: Ochita on June 17, 2011, 03:27:48 pm
Get lulwy of luck or whatever. Her weapon lets you see invisible..
but thats the 3rd gift..
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:29:42 pm
Luck is Ehekatl.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 17, 2011, 03:30:04 pm
GRAH NINJAD
Post by: Weirdsound on June 17, 2011, 03:35:45 pm
Indeed. For some reason, when playing as a wiz, you never get enough spells. Ever.
I eventually gave up, and started over as a thief.
Spells alone is never enough. You need some really good pets and/or weaponry. Break into the Guild in Port Kapul and use incognito to get eye of mind and tactics. Spell should only be used to hit multiple foes at once, or inflict status. You have pets and weaponry for everything else.
Course you will have some problems in the beginning of the game, but during that time you should be focused on getting alternative ways to hurt people, as opposed to spells.
At least that is my experience with Wizards, of course I only play fairy Wizards, and they might be a bit different from other races.
Post by: Ochita on June 17, 2011, 03:42:42 pm
Crabs, im looking at you.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 17, 2011, 03:50:54 pm
The bleeding is excellent for capturing tougher enemies too
Post by: Micro102 on June 17, 2011, 08:53:02 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 17, 2011, 09:16:19 pm
Also, it can be as boring as hell.
Post by: Ivefan on June 17, 2011, 09:32:00 pm
Can't you just farm the hell out of the puppy dungeon until you super charge your spell stocks and have enough books and rods to blast your way through the rest of the game?A Pure mage can't measure up to melee unless you spend a lot of time just using the same spell over and over, which means that the other spells will be weak and that you have to find a lot of books
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 17, 2011, 09:52:35 pm
Also, spellcasters get a penalty for wearing heavy armor (I believe) and as such, they have to choose between maximizing the spellcasting rate, or their defense. It's one of the reasons why the fairies are one of the best races for wizardry and magic.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 17, 2011, 11:38:26 pm
Post by: Moogie on June 18, 2011, 05:21:03 am
Post by: FunctionZero on June 18, 2011, 05:25:39 am
Erm... how do I get back from "Test World"? :(What, aren't there any monsters to kill you?
Post by: Blaze on June 18, 2011, 05:47:19 am
Return spell? Scroll of Return?Erm... how do I get back from "Test World"? :(What, aren't there any monsters to kill you?
I don't recall exactly, but shouldn't there be a camp or something that lets you travel back?
Alternatively, you can always starve to death.
Post by: Moogie on June 18, 2011, 05:50:22 am
Post by: FunctionZero on June 18, 2011, 05:59:49 am
Post by: Tarran on June 18, 2011, 06:09:23 am
Otherwise, queue up a bunch of delivery and escort quests and get through them (be sure to make sure you have enough time first, though!).
Oh, and the puppy dungeon gives a lot of books if you have some patience.
That's all I could think of off the top of my head.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 18, 2011, 07:32:43 am
Discovery of the Day: Two tamed bells with artifact bows (One with Lomias' fixedart) make a good companion for a caster (Or any character.)
Indeed, The bells are overpowered, especially with fully kitted rubynus gear. You could give them grenades if your pets are all bells, so they can aoe the monsters. Note that they are resistant to sound attacks.
If you are willing to farm for bow artifacts, getting Lomias' weapon and repeatedly killing him in party time quests should net you good equips for your bells. The copy of his bow will transform into an artifact, and since Lomias is guaranteed to spawn with artifact arrows, this means you'll have no problem arming your bells provided you can kill him with relative ease.
The bells also last a very long time in the arena, especially if you have 2 or more of them in team battles.
If you ever get Lulwy's artifact unique bow, GIVE IT TO YOUR BELLS! The bow will do you more harm than benefits, and pets nullify negative ether weapon effects (they don't get the disease).
Post by: Darvi on June 18, 2011, 07:58:33 am
Because that's all I ever do.
Dying.
Also remind me to never pick Elea again.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 18, 2011, 08:13:26 am
Never die again
Post by: Darvi on June 18, 2011, 08:23:26 am
Post by: Blaze on June 18, 2011, 08:28:11 am
Is there a way to get into a dungeon and not get mercilessly gibbed by the first monsters that come across my path?Depending on which race/class you started as, dungeon diving is probably out of your league. Every skill choice you make at the beginning is vital to your survival. Every point, every platinum coin, every bit of equipment can mean life or death.
Because that's all I ever do.
Dying.
If you're open to a bit of metagaming, drop everything of value at home, head to a high level dungeon, and pray for a good weapon. Otherwise, you'll probably be grinding for a fair bit.
Good skills to start with are magic device, sense quality (best skill ever), evasion, greater evasion, weight lifting, depending on whether you're ranged or melee, tactics or marksmanship. And obviously, some weapon and armor skills.
Other nice skills are mining (con boosts + minor loot), jeweler (scrolls of inferior material for getting rid of cursed items), cooking (for more stat boosts). Try to get anatomy too, since it increases the chance of getting corpses (and thus, early resistances and stats).
Alchemy and carpentry are nice to have, but the relatively small chance of amassing specific materials makes them less useful than other skills.
Ranged > Melee, find yourself an UNCURSED ranged weapon asap, anything is better than nothing; so long as it's uncursed.
Also, grab some snow. It's useful for locating pumpkins and greatly increasing your fire resistance.
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Also remind me to never pick Elea again.My main is an Elean, and you don't see "Scissor Happy Blaze was killed by (blah)" do you? (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/Dragon_GAIA/Emotes/emot-colbert.gif)
If you're starting out as a complete newbie, I strongly suggest picking golem as your race. Unless you're open to using debug races as well.
Post by: Darvi on June 18, 2011, 08:33:21 am
Post by: Blaze on June 18, 2011, 08:39:02 am
ANY cursed item can also give that effect, and it doesn't show up on the item's info screen either.
Post by: Darvi on June 18, 2011, 08:40:25 am
Deeerp.
I should really invest in perception.
Post by: FunctionZero on June 18, 2011, 08:41:43 am
Other nice skills are mining (con boosts + minor loot), jeweler (scrolls of inferior material for getting rid of cursed items), cooking (for more stat boosts). Try to get anatomy too, since it increases the chance of getting corpses (and thus, early resistances and stats).You forgot Gardening, one of THE best skills in the game (albeit only so to grind Learning).
After you get it, just grind The Harvest Time quests in Yowyn. You don't need to succeed, just pulling the crops increases Strength, Constitution and Will (and Learning with Gardening)
And Learning is the most important skill for leveling, as you don't get skill points retroactively as you do HP and MP with Con and Will.
Post by: Blaze on June 18, 2011, 08:45:41 am
I cannot stress the utter importance of this skill enough. It slowly identifies items, increases perception very quickly, and is trained by holding unidentified items. Increased perception means you deal more ranged damage, dodge more often, and land more critical hits.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 18, 2011, 09:19:14 am
It is the most important skill in dungeoneering, you never know that that bronze armor is miracle or godly quality until you decide to identify it or get sense quality.
Post by: Moogie on June 18, 2011, 09:54:25 am
Also, grab some snow. It's useful for locating pumpkins and greatly increasing your fire resistance.
Could you clarify this bit? What do you mean, "locating pumpkins"? To eat?
And, fire resistance = throwing snowballs at yourself?
Post by: Akura on June 18, 2011, 10:07:07 am
I think I'd rather just nuke stuff with Meteor.What about nuking stuff with nukes?
Post by: Darvi on June 18, 2011, 10:10:53 am
On the other hand, I also only have 33 SP, so w/e.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 18, 2011, 11:37:28 am
Also, grab some snow. It's useful for locating pumpkins and greatly increasing your fire resistance.
Could you clarify this bit? What do you mean, "locating pumpkins"? To eat?
And, fire resistance = throwing snowballs at yourself?
Pumpkins are annoying invisible creatures in this game. They constantly throw potions at you, like weaken resistance and booze. The snowball can be thrown at the floor, to create a puddle if I remember correctly to soak and reveal that pumpkin.
You can also use them to soak yourself, making you wet. Being wet significantly negates fire damage.
Post by: Patchy on June 18, 2011, 01:42:19 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 18, 2011, 08:06:16 pm
Oh well, at least I still have a ranch, farm and a shack.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 18, 2011, 08:23:44 pm
There is a certain deed that can only be obtained via wishing. The deed is basically a glorified, enlarged storage house.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 18, 2011, 08:26:34 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 18, 2011, 08:33:47 pm
Just store your stuff in a non-changable dungeon. Like how I put all my excess into the putit place just under Vernis.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 18, 2011, 08:35:33 pm
Yep, and you dont even need storage houses..
Just store your stuff in a non-changable dungeon. Like how I put all my excess into the putit place just under Vernis.
Or that small robber hideout in vernis.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 18, 2011, 10:31:01 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 18, 2011, 10:33:49 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on June 18, 2011, 10:40:28 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 18, 2011, 11:47:26 pm
Naw, but seriously, a few pages back, someone posted that prostitutes could be tamed. He was right.
Also, dip yer poisons into yer meals, they'll taste "great".
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 19, 2011, 03:14:01 am
What will it do to my little girl? :-\
Post by: kcwong on June 19, 2011, 03:16:25 am
In my game there's an absurd lack of beggars in parties... which is one of my source of income early on. I might also find the artifact this way. I'm now deciding how to spend 24 platinum coins... probably gardening.
@Bardum Idith:
I don't know but better uncurse it.
Post by: Max White on June 19, 2011, 03:20:49 am
What will it do to my little girl? :-\
Every second post in this thread has something that can be misinterpreted.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 19, 2011, 03:59:06 am
I just got a cursed gene machine...
What will it do to my little girl? :-\
Horribly mutate it into a gigantic tentacle demon. If you're into that kind of thing, that might be a plus, but otherwise, it's a big NO NO.
Nah, kidding. It will just work as an ordinary gene machine, with reduced value (what kind of guy sells his gene machine anyway?).
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 19, 2011, 04:22:46 am
Horribly mutate it into a gigantic tentacle demon. If you're into that kind of thing, that might be a plus, but otherwise, it's a big NO NO.Yay, science tentacle de... meh :(
Nah, kidding. It will just work as an ordinary gene machine, with reduced value (what kind of guy sells his gene machine anyway?).
It's the gene machine I got from the scientist, somehow it was cursed. Guess I either got bad luck, or he hates me and my little girl.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 19, 2011, 04:45:43 am
The gene machine can level up creatures and add skills and bodyparts (you already know this).
If you level up a pet to significant levels using the gene machine (7 - 32), it's most likely going to gain a few stat ups, which is nice.
However, the true power of Gene machine leveling comes from the fact that when a creature levels up, they gain more hitpoints and mana (if your pet is a mage, this is a boon).
The Gene machine can also be used to view stats without paying a hefty 10000k gold to the informer. (you probably know about this)
Post by: Moogie on June 19, 2011, 11:21:37 am
Post by: Zangi on June 19, 2011, 11:55:57 am
Sigh. I don't think I'll ever have enough money to buy a shop or museum. Something always goes wrong. Back down to 6k again, four Ether mutations, and enough deaths that I've dropped pretty much all my useful gear and scrolls. It's not really fun anymore, especially knowing I'm playing the easiest class (Claymore) and still sucking at it.Kitty Banks... they are your loving friends. Dump money into it everytime you pass your home/wherever you keep it. Leave about 5-10k in spending monies. You can tell how much is in it by its weight. Then you destroy it when you have enough.
Post by: Moogie on June 19, 2011, 12:35:45 pm
I guess it's worth a try though. Elona's incredibly fun when the going's good. But it's soooo frustrating when you get a streak of bad luck. Especially considering just how many hours you need to invest to make any progress.
Post by: Dakk on June 19, 2011, 12:50:20 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 19, 2011, 01:19:41 pm
But it is hidden, and far away from other towns.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 19, 2011, 01:28:23 pm
But I always think if I did use kitty banks, I'd stumble across something awesome and not have enough money on hand to buy it. :/
I guess it's worth a try though. Elona's incredibly fun when the going's good. But it's soooo frustrating when you get a streak of bad luck. Especially considering just how many hours you need to invest to make any progress.
If you ever need a kitty bank, there's always one in noyel (assuming you haven't taken it, it respawns though.) that you can steal with the pickpocket skill. You might have to wake <Ebon> though...
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 19, 2011, 01:59:44 pm
Let's just say that someone made a wishing farm deep in them moongates and I was motivated to get new gear.
Post by: Ochita on June 19, 2011, 02:53:00 pm
So many high level stuff.
Post by: Blaze on June 19, 2011, 03:34:29 pm
Wishing farm? How does that work?
I could've used that before buying my museum and ranch.
It's a moongate map with a custom NPC in the corner.
The "Little Brother" NPC occasionally casts wishes (and often fails), but splits when hit, and the original is tied to a sandbag which means it never dies. You hit the sandbagged NPC and make it split, then have the split monsters cast wish. They're hostile, but are extremely weak.
Post by: Micro102 on June 19, 2011, 05:52:09 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 19, 2011, 05:53:33 pm
Post by: Darvi on June 19, 2011, 05:58:29 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 19, 2011, 07:06:59 pm
Post by: kcwong on June 19, 2011, 08:06:55 pm
You're not the only one who keeps doing that.
Let's just say that someone made a wishing farm deep in them moongates and I was motivated to get new gear.
I made an AutoHotKey script to manage my saves... but I don't reload unless something very mean happened because of dumb luck. Like getting one-shot by a way out of death hell hound in puppy dungeon level 1 while I have a -Fire resistance mutation and need to hide in there because of etherwind.
I need to be more careful in combat... I killed my little girl 8 times already throwing a grenade. I died 6 times.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 12:16:39 am
Post by: Ochita on June 20, 2011, 12:22:14 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 12:37:35 am
I... Never have pets.
Why would that be? Juere infantries are cheap.
Post by: Ochita on June 20, 2011, 12:40:22 am
Until grenades are too weak for use, I shall use them.
Post by: breadbocks on June 20, 2011, 12:46:34 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 12:49:49 am
I'm a yerles mage, I have magic that will hurt my friends, I also have grenades.
Until grenades are too weak for use, I shall use them.
Okay, that's reasonable. Get Control Magic ASAP, or a pair of silver/golden bells. Silver is better, though.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2011, 01:46:40 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 02:37:23 am
The next thing you should do after that is to buy a ton of humanoids from the slave master and gene engineer them together. A very expensive process, but it's certainly worth it.
They have a speed of 600+ and they generally heal up to full health in the next turn.
In theory, it is quite possible to catch a bell with a monster ball, but that would require a way to stop time.
Post by: Frumple on June 20, 2011, 03:51:40 am
I would recommend thinking really hard about catching one, though. Give one a shuriken and you'll have more or less completely dominated the game for a long while -- it'll murder just about everything, until you start running into the really silly stuff. There's also nothing stopping you from dominating bells until your party size hits max... and giving all of them shurikens and/or panties, if you don't want to bother with gene splicing.
Anyway, there's a list of guaranteed small medals laying around the 'net somewhere. Iirc, you can have a bell (or three) before you hit the puppy cave/do your first quest, if you work it right. After you've done that, the only thing you really have to worry about until end-game dungeon stuff is probably quicklings (if I remember the name right...), which are the other hyperspeed critters in Elona.
Post by: Tarran on June 20, 2011, 03:55:23 am
Anyway, there's a list of guaranteed small medals laying around the 'net somewhere.Just to be nice, here: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Small_medal
Go to List of static medals in the game.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 04:35:05 am
Bells themselves are fairly low level, though, insofar as when you can catch them. They're just somewhat rare.
I would recommend thinking really hard about catching one, though. Give one a shuriken and you'll have more or less completely dominated the game for a long while -- it'll murder just about everything, until you start running into the really silly stuff. There's also nothing stopping you from dominating bells until your party size hits max... and giving all of them shurikens and/or panties, if you don't want to bother with gene splicing.
Anyway, there's a list of guaranteed small medals laying around the 'net somewhere. Iirc, you can have a bell (or three) before you hit the puppy cave/do your first quest, if you work it right. After you've done that, the only thing you really have to worry about until end-game dungeon stuff is probably quicklings (if I remember the name right...), which are the other hyperspeed critters in Elona.
Panties are quite lethal in a fast creature's hands. MIND DAMAGE.
EDIT: Also, quicklings are weaker than bells, as they are slower than bells.
Remember, if you can acquire rubynus equips, give them to your bells. They have a health stat of 1, but a rubynus piece of equipment gives 3 points of life, quadrupling their health.
Just keep them away from poisonous and cutting creatures, like the blades (cutting).
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 04:56:50 am
Angle bracketed artifacts can be changed with scrolls of inferior/change/superior materials, making them more versatile if you get lucky with the enchantments. If you have a great Jeweler skill, go get some materials, a gem cutter and create some superior material scrolls to enhance your equipment. Alternatively, invest in magic shops. Investing will make them stock more expensive items, expand the amount of money they can hold (which you can obtain by having a little tail with the shopkeeper) and increase the chances of better items to appear (in the case of the magic shops, potions of potential, cure corruption and love potions).
Post by: Ochita on June 20, 2011, 07:59:15 am
A sword which deals high levels of fire damage.
Perfect.
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 20, 2011, 10:19:06 am
Post by: Detonate on June 20, 2011, 10:29:10 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 20, 2011, 10:30:48 am
Post by: kcwong on June 20, 2011, 10:54:53 am
"g" is get/grab.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 11:16:09 am
Yes indeed. Push i to interact, point at NPC, choose give. Sling alcohol at your target thusly.
I need to stop selling my booze. Tail with shopkeepers sounds handy.
Steps needed to profit:
1.) Have high charisma.
2.) Invest in shops (investing skill helps here)
3.) Get alcohol
4.) Recover your stamina and give alcohol
5.) Have a little tail
6.) ????
7.) Profit!
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 20, 2011, 11:21:56 am
Fixed :PYes indeed. Push i to interact, point at NPC, choose give. Sling alcohol at your target thusly.
I need to stop selling my booze. Tail with shopkeepers sounds handy.
Steps needed to profit:
1.) Have high charisma.
2.) Invest in shops (investing skill helps here)
3.) Get alcohol
4.) Recover your stamina and give alcohol
5.) Have a little tail
6.) Get STDs
7.) Profit!
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 11:22:59 am
Hahahaha...
A sword which deals high levels of fire damage.
Perfect.
Strive to worship Itzpalt and get his Elemental Staff.
One relatively easy way to get favor for him is to know how to pick pockets and steal the wizards of elea's staves. To note is that the wizards have a neck and two ring slots, and is a very nice source for engagement stuff, which you can give to other adventurers to ensure better gifts in the new year.
How you're going to learn how to steal, is I dunno. You could find disguise kits in dungeons, or scrolls of incognito and grab a disguise kit in the thieves guild while learning pickpocket on the way.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 11:23:47 am
Fixed :PYes indeed. Push i to interact, point at NPC, choose give. Sling alcohol at your target thusly.
I need to stop selling my booze. Tail with shopkeepers sounds handy.
Steps needed to profit:
1.) Have high charisma.
2.) Invest in shops (investing skill helps here)
3.) Get alcohol
4.) Recover your stamina and give alcohol
5.) Have a little tail
6.) Get STDs
7.) Profit!
Such a thing could be fixed by hanging yourself though, so it's still a win-win. XDD
Post by: 3 on June 20, 2011, 11:34:12 am
Post by: Patchy on June 20, 2011, 02:18:06 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 20, 2011, 02:33:23 pm
I've checked.
Also, I have a staff that apparently empowers my spells, by a large amount.
Post by: Patchy on June 20, 2011, 04:42:39 pm
Post by: Virroken on June 20, 2011, 05:18:05 pm
One relatively easy way to get favor for him is to know how to pick pockets and steal the wizards of elea's staves. To note is that the wizards have a neck and two ring slots, and is a very nice source for engagement stuff, which you can give to other adventurers to ensure better gifts in the new year.
You are a genius, sir.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 20, 2011, 06:40:51 pm
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Post by: Tarran on June 20, 2011, 07:04:33 pm
How long did you spend grinding anyway?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2011, 07:24:36 pm
Post by: 3 on June 20, 2011, 07:37:02 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 07:40:58 pm
Meanwhile, I have all this epic shitSpoiler (click to show/hide)
What. The. Heck.
How'd you get all of that? Also, you have all those epic items, yet you're just using a raw halberd?
What. The. Heck.
Post by: breadbocks on June 20, 2011, 07:54:46 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 08:24:43 pm
That's all I can remember yet.
Oh, and if you're a cheatyface, Elosnack is currently intended to be used with 1.16, but is compatible to any version except the lower versions.
And the wish spell is slightly easier to cast in 1.16.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on June 20, 2011, 09:00:24 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 09:10:28 pm
I managed to learn the wish spell from a dream. Casting wish with only 28 MP WILL instant kill you.
But I think you get the wish first.
So which is it? Something your cold hands can get ahold of, or no items but you get to keep your life?*
*not keeping the learning rates and spell chance into mind, so it will be harder and by the time you get that much skill, you probably have enough mp to cast.
Post by: Patchy on June 20, 2011, 09:57:14 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells#Wish
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 20, 2011, 10:43:57 pm
Heh, I'm of the opinion the wish spell was put in as a cruel joke. Unless you have a heavily snacked char or a very long running char, you aren't going to cast it successfully and will just suicide yourself from overcasting. Though I suppose if you get the wish before you die, eh might work with 5% minimum cast success. Just cast inside your house, so you don't have to go far to pick your stuff back up.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells#Wish
The wish spell is indeed a cruel joke. It gets progressively harder to cast in 1.17 and above. Each time you attempt to cast the spell, the spell rates get smaller and smaller.
tl;dr: YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CAST THAT SPELL IN A NORMAL GAME PERIOD.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 20, 2011, 11:55:52 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 21, 2011, 12:01:53 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 21, 2011, 12:19:57 am
Post by: Ochita on June 21, 2011, 01:03:28 am
Thats 10 times your normal carrying capability.
You shouldn't be able to move, and I don't think that anyone could get over 1600 units of weight from any shop keeper.
Post by: Tarran on June 21, 2011, 01:17:07 am
...
Freaking GOD. How is that even possible?!
Post by: Ochita on June 21, 2011, 02:06:56 am
What with its 600mp cost, and at the most 40% chance before going down..
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 21, 2011, 02:12:44 am
Wish can be learned if you have at least 120 learning skill, more or less.
As for MoM casting it, she probably uses magic enhancing equipment that isn't heavy, to avoid the penalties.
Post by: Ochita on June 21, 2011, 02:56:29 am
Crystal spear!
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 21, 2011, 07:27:04 am
*proceeds to sell*
"Hmm, what's this? It's an artifact mica halberd with no enchantments. I'll just sell this one t-- WAIT WHAT?"
'It is alive'
"No way, I'm not selling this one!"
I just found a living artifact halberd today (in my unfortunately snacked file).
Gonna see how this living enchantments thing work.
Post by: Ochita on June 21, 2011, 07:38:26 am
Hahahahahaha.
get a scroll of change material on that.
Post by: kcwong on June 21, 2011, 07:40:17 am
Gonna see how this living enchantments thing work.
It grows as you use it. It will gain more and more random enchantments, but at some point it's going to get hungry too, and will suck your blood.
IIRC in a few builds earlier you give it to your pets before it gets bloodthirsty, not sure if that works in the latest version.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 21, 2011, 11:48:07 am
Mica..?
Hahahahahaha.
get a scroll of change material on that.
Unfortunately, living weapons require material kits, and scrolls of whatever material don't work on them.
I'll have to save up cash and wait until December, or do that near impossible Loyter quest.
D:
Post by: hachnslay on June 23, 2011, 01:26:52 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 23, 2011, 01:29:52 pm
Stopping time plus large amounts of damage.
Post by: hachnslay on June 23, 2011, 02:00:22 pm
You want the diablo.i have a better weapon, and all my pets have lightsabers 2d10 100% pierce.
Stopping time plus large amounts of damage.
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Post by: Ochita on June 23, 2011, 02:06:15 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 23, 2011, 02:11:03 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 23, 2011, 02:20:54 pm
Quote from: Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff, comic #6, from Sweet Bro
dog........ i AM SO JEALOUS you KNOW i love the big gameSeriously. where do you even GET wepons thats that awesome
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 23, 2011, 02:21:54 pm
Griiiiiind
Post by: FunctionZero on June 23, 2011, 02:26:58 pm
Post by: hachnslay on June 23, 2011, 02:27:10 pm
i found the actual knife rather early. it was a singing kitchen knife and had the strength and speed bonus. then i proceeded to change the material with 12 blessed scroll of superior material untill it was diamond - it kept giving me ether and chrome. After that i used Garok's hammer, which gave it the other stats.Quote from: Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff, comic #6, from Sweet Brodog........ i AM SO JEALOUS you KNOW i love the big gameSeriously. where do you even GET wepons thats that awesome
Post by: Ochita on June 23, 2011, 02:31:40 pm
Are you going to contribute anything aside from criticism's of peoples characters?I think I already have.
Hm, yeah. Diamond is a good material, but I personally prefer soul cloth or whatever its called, its like a better version of glass.
Post by: hachnslay on June 23, 2011, 02:33:32 pm
spirit cloth is nice, but blessed sup mat scrolls almost never turn them up. also: my pets have full ether equipment.Are you going to contribute anything aside from criticism's of peoples characters?I think I already have.
Hm, yeah. Diamond is a good material, but I personally prefer soul cloth or whatever its called, its like a better version of glass.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 23, 2011, 02:52:53 pm
Post by: Zangi on June 23, 2011, 03:03:18 pm
I guess I'm going to roll up a wizard. What's the best race for one? ???I'd say Fairy, Lich or Elf...
Elf cause it has +resist ether, 2nd best magic.
Fairy cause it has a hard-cap that keeps ya below the Light Armor limit... 2nd best magic and is naturally fast.
Lich cause it is the best magic.
Post by: Ochita on June 23, 2011, 03:13:31 pm
I guess I'm going to roll up a wizard. What's the best race for one? ???Humans actually do okay with magic, due to their reading skills.
Post by: hachnslay on June 23, 2011, 03:18:34 pm
also: this just happened to me:
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Post by: Tarran on June 23, 2011, 03:19:23 pm
Post by: hachnslay on June 23, 2011, 03:22:19 pm
Hahahahahaaah, oh god, better get running ASAP. ;D... didn't make it in time .... lost my growth disturbing ring ...
fffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
Post by: Ochita on June 23, 2011, 03:22:56 pm
RESTART? Y/N
Seriously bro, dragons everywhere.
Post by: hachnslay on June 23, 2011, 03:38:42 pm
ps: my current character is named "cuddles" because "Cat of Time"
Post by: 3 on June 23, 2011, 04:34:14 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 23, 2011, 04:35:08 pm
Post by: Zangi on June 23, 2011, 05:39:27 pm
Post by: Dakk on June 23, 2011, 07:23:53 pm
Post by: Akura on June 23, 2011, 07:39:45 pm
Its random, you have a low chance of finding doom and death in the forecast... unless you do actions that invite doom and death.Which is basically doing anything, like breathing. Or the breathing-equivalent of lung-deficient races such as Liches and Golems.
Post by: Tarran on June 23, 2011, 07:41:33 pm
Yes, those Mass Monsters are still in Palmia. >_>
Post by: Vibhor on June 23, 2011, 09:58:01 pm
Lucky for me, the monsters spawned from the lower side of the map so no dragons. But sadly while I was killing blue bubbles, the game crashed and my save file is corrupted.
Post by: Tarran on June 23, 2011, 10:05:42 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 23, 2011, 10:13:59 pm
Thousands of blue bubbles in Yowyn. Every square in the town is covered with them. I don't even know how they got there but this is the second invasion after the one in Vernis( didn't had blue bubbles though).
Lucky for me, the monsters spawned from the lower side of the map so no dragons. But sadly while I was killing blue bubbles, the game crashed and my save file is corrupted.
Oh... just wait until you get to cubes...
And <Kings>
Post by: Ochita on June 23, 2011, 10:15:20 pm
Magic/Panties work well.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 23, 2011, 10:19:40 pm
Paralyze them.
Magic/Panties work well.
No. Meteor them. Meteor EVERYTHING.*
*Warning: may cause the hooded emo guy to kill you, and if you're lucky, summon a few dragons too.
Post by: Micro102 on June 23, 2011, 11:40:33 pm
Is the indev version better then the original? Can you keep your guy from the original?
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 24, 2011, 03:05:06 am
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Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 03:07:59 am
So, after reading the last few pages it seems that some people are making a bunch of updates.
Is the indev version better then the original? Can you keep your guy from the original?
You can carry over old characters to the new ones. Note that the indev versions are buggy, and converting your character may corrupt your save.
Woohoooo, finally married me little girl <3Spoiler (click to show/hide)Spoiler: See what I got (click to show/hide)
I'm gonna wait until you decide to "make a gene" with her. *squicked*
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 24, 2011, 03:31:16 am
I'm gonna wait until you decide to "make a gene" with her. *squicked*
Spoiler: Sweet. (click to show/hide)
"Let's make a gene!"
*blush*
-> Best pickup line ever :P
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 03:46:46 am
I'm gonna wait until you decide to "make a gene" with her. *squicked*Spoiler: Sweet. (click to show/hide)
"Let's make a gene!"
*blush*
-> Best pickup line ever :P
Congratulations. I think I might have to listen or read something equally disturbing, so I can forget about the mental images.
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 24, 2011, 05:06:39 am
Congratulations. I think I might have to listen or read something equally disturbing, so I can forget about the mental images.Don't worry, she's almost 18...
Post by: Niveras on June 24, 2011, 05:21:00 am
I think your new wife is subtly telling you to keep your pants on.Spoiler: See what I got (click to show/hide)
~
I didn't realize this thread was still active (or maybe I am confusing it with a different thread). I recently picked up the game myself and I have a few questions that I wasn't able to answer from the wiki.
Traveling (not necessarily skill-related): When you reach a new location after traveling on the world map, you get some experience. Is this 'bonus' experience that goes into your experience pool that is spent before you achieve the next level, effectively increasing (albeit not all that much) the amount that you can raise your skills?
Is it worth investing in shops to improve their items (beyond what the wiki says about only bothering with magic shops for scrolls/potions, black markets for enchanted items, and food for training), or do you eventually get strong items from dungeons?
I've been clearing dungeons to break the monotony in running between downs doing deliveries/harvesting, but it feels like I level up a lot faster when killing enemies. Is that because combat skills are balanced to consume experience faster (compared to non-combat skills like weight lifting, sense quality, casting) because they're used intermittently, or does killing mobs 'waste' experience and the experience does not go into any particular skill?
PS: How do my stats look? I got lucky with some good ether diseases (wings for speed, giant head for learning) but I want to know how they appear given that I'm level 17.
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Post by: 3 on June 24, 2011, 05:35:56 am
Skills (and attributes as well) are subject to "potential" which is basically the standard practise of making skills take longer to level up as they get better turned into a proper game mechanic. The more you train a skill or attribute, the lower the skill potential gets; the lower the potential is, the slower the skill trains. If I remember correctly, for maximum efficiency you should be increasing skill potential to 100% and no higher (the effect of training potential slopes off above 100% or something).
I'd say that combat undoubtedly gives you more experience than other fields. I mean, my current pianist is about one-and-a-half game months ahead of your character and I'm level 9.
Investing in shops is a very good idea if you want anything like a regular supply of advanced potions.
Post by: Akura on June 24, 2011, 05:51:28 am
Girdles, and gloves? It seems like someone thought you'd be into some freaky stuff.Spoiler: See what I got (click to show/hide)
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 06:00:42 am
Don't worry, she's almost 18...
If that's so, how old is she? Is she 6 years away from 18?
...
...
On second thought, I don't want to know.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 24, 2011, 06:01:12 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 06:06:14 am
This thread is getting all kinds of creepy
Then again, this is Elona, after all...
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 24, 2011, 06:06:45 am
Post by: 3 on June 24, 2011, 06:07:27 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 06:08:14 am
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 24, 2011, 06:42:15 am
Ecchi the little girl is actually old enough for... genetics:
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Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 06:45:45 am
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2011, 09:38:08 am
Post by: Zangi on June 24, 2011, 09:40:52 am
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 24, 2011, 09:55:08 am
Well, you probably could marry an alien... you could be the 'mother'. If you are a masochist...My character is female, so me and the Ecchi are both the gene's mother :P
Another story involving a little girl: I just drank from the well in Yowyn and a minotaur came out of it. It slaughtered a farmer and <Gwen> the innocent, who dropped lotsa things, including a corpse. With the help of a guard the beast was finally defeated, but all that fighting left me Hungry!
You start to eat a corpse of <Gwen> the innocent.
You have finished eating a corpse of <Gwen> the innocent. Delicious! It's your favorite human flesh!
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2011, 10:19:39 am
Plus I've been meaning to make a new character anyway.
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 24, 2011, 10:25:11 am
Oh gog. I think I'm going to do a Let's Play of Elona. It is JUST THAT LULZWORTHY.Thiiiis!
Plus I've been meaning to make a new character anyway.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 10:29:59 am
Start game.
Get gold.
Hire Adventurer.
Romance Adventurer.
Ask Adventurer to join.
Marry Adventurer.
Go to Lesimas, or Gene Machine the Adventurer on another pet.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2011, 10:40:10 am
Post by: Darvi on June 24, 2011, 11:13:38 am
Kidding.
Dorf of course.
Post by: Tarran on June 24, 2011, 01:35:24 pm
Now you've made my night worse. I will have to increase my sanity by playing Amnesia instead. That way, I'll be very scared to the point of not being able to think clearly.Look on the bright side, she's at least 17. My in-game character is only 16 and he's... uhhh... had a lot of *Tail* with random shopkeepers (female only, though). ;D
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Post by: Darvi on June 24, 2011, 01:37:49 pm
Good thing I never bother with marriage, never mind even getting that far.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 01:39:33 pm
Now you've made my night worse. I will have to increase my sanity by playing Amnesia instead. That way, I'll be very scared to the point of not being able to think clearly.Look on the bright side, she's at least 17. My in-game character is only 16 and he's... uhhh... had a lot of *Tail* with random shopkeepers (female only, though). ;D
:'( :'( :'( :'(
Yeah, I'm better now. Got my traumatizing Amnesia fix. /notgrossedoutanymore
Post by: Niveras on June 24, 2011, 02:40:35 pm
You're thinking Elona works like Crawl; it doesn't. Experience is experience and only contributes to your level (which contributes very little to your character overall). Experience has nothing at all to do with skills; skills increase as you use them regardless of experience. Level is largely considered detrimental if anything.
Skills (and attributes as well) are subject to "potential" which is basically the standard practise of making skills take longer to level up as they get better turned into a proper game mechanic. The more you train a skill or attribute, the lower the skill potential gets; the lower the potential is, the slower the skill trains. If I remember correctly, for maximum efficiency you should be increasing skill potential to 100% and no higher (the effect of training potential slopes off above 100% or something).
Hmm, I had assumed that the experience pool feeds into your skills at the rate of your skill's potential, subject to whatever benchmarks it takes to reach the next skill level. So for instance, if you need 10,000 experience in weight lifting to go from 9->10, but had only a potential of 11%, then you'd need to 'spend' something like 19900 experience. To be sure I hadn't really thought it all the way through, since this doesn't explain how quickly the experience goes into the skill, only the amount needed. I think my confusion comes from seeing the experience pool decrease whenever you practice a skill, although it is hard to work out the direct correlation.
But since it doesn't work that way, what is the purpose of traveling experience? Just quickens your levels? Ditto with the Traveling skill, which actually makes traveling a Bad Thing unless you're expressly dependent on character levels (such as a mutant)?
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 24, 2011, 03:33:45 pm
The game was hard as heck, yeah, but not "literally impossible" like a bunch of people say it is.
I'm playing the Xmas version and went through as a Juere Claymore. I've heard 1.17+ is completely rebalanced; am I just playing the easystreet build, or using an iwinbutton race/class or something?
EDIT: Someone just explained to me how grinding delivery/escort missions inflates your levels and fame while leaving your combat skills useless. My levels and fame came almost solely from dungeon crawling, which explains why I didn't have that issue. Cheers!
Post by: jaxy15 on June 24, 2011, 05:06:04 pm
Am I playing the game right?
Post by: Max White on June 24, 2011, 05:09:48 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on June 24, 2011, 05:14:45 pm
Only if you continue to use the bear as your mount, and become part of the bear cavalry, fire arms division. Then later on marry the bear.Hell yeah, I've always wanted to marry a bear.
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Post by: Max White on June 24, 2011, 05:16:43 pm
This is about what the bear wants.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2011, 05:20:54 pm
I chose a bear as my familiar.You were supposed to choose the little girl. :P
Am I playing the game right?
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Post by: Patchy on June 24, 2011, 05:59:12 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 24, 2011, 07:23:00 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 09:03:46 pm
I chose a bear as my familiar.
Am I playing the game right?
Only if you continue to use the bear as your mount, and become part of the bear cavalry, fire arms division. Then later on marry the bear.
But seriously, it doesn't' matter if you collect 20 small medals and buy a rod of domination to get a bell and job hunt some more to get some grenades.
Post by: kcwong on June 24, 2011, 09:08:36 pm
But seriously, it doesn't' matter if you collect 20 small medals and buy a rod of domination to get a bell and job hunt some more to get some grenades.
But train up magic device before that... or you'll just be wasting it.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 24, 2011, 09:10:51 pm
But seriously, it doesn't' matter if you collect 20 small medals and buy a rod of domination to get a bell and job hunt some more to get some grenades.
But train up magic device before that... or you'll just be wasting it.
Or savescum, whichever works. Gold Bells are level one anyway.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2011, 12:09:58 am
Post by: Ochita on June 25, 2011, 12:12:31 am
I'm thinking of doing some god hopping to get gifts. Out of curiosity how many prefered items (Guns for machines, staffs for element, fish for luck, ect) would it take to make a god go from zero to gift giving? Anybody have any clue? I have already gotten the Scythe from Kuminori, so my faith skill should be high enough.Get the luck god.
The lucky dagger lets you see invisible, and it has good defensive stats.
Plus you are more likely to get better magic items.
Post by: Blaze on June 25, 2011, 12:38:09 am
Which is 61, 101, and 161 preferred sacrifices, respectively.
If you're going for Kitty Goddess, the fishing skill is almost a must. I recommend taking Opatos or Jure as your first gods, as they have ore as their preferred sacrifices (which includes junk stone).
Post by: jaxy15 on June 25, 2011, 11:28:00 am
Is that playing the game right?
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2011, 12:01:57 pm
You need at least 1525 faith points to get the pet, 2525 to get the secret treasure, and 4025 to get the special weapon.
Which is 61, 101, and 161 preferred sacrifices, respectively.
If you're going for Kitty Goddess, the fishing skill is almost a must. I recommend taking Opatos or Jure as your first gods, as they have ore as their preferred sacrifices (which includes junk stone).
I've already begun to stockpile staffs, bows/crossbows, and guns. I think I'll be doing those gods first. I want the ranged weapons from Luly and Mani for my Gold Bells.
Post by: beorn080 on June 25, 2011, 12:24:39 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 25, 2011, 02:09:22 pm
I would do the staff needing god last, since it will take a long while to stockpile enough of them.
Yeah. I figured that one out.
Post by: Dakk on June 25, 2011, 02:46:34 pm
Also, performing lets me get fish as rewards, so with some patience I can ignore fishing for a while.
Anyways, 30 performing now, almost 50 charisma. I think I need 40 to pull legendary stages in party time! quests and get tons of money + kill kill piano though.
Post by: 3 on June 25, 2011, 03:55:39 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 25, 2011, 04:42:11 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 25, 2011, 04:43:18 pm
SEVEN LEAGUE BOOTS.
Post by: Dakk on June 25, 2011, 04:48:57 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I can survive the blood sucking (takes aout half of my health as of now though) and the growth stunting is useful, and the DV/PV bonuses are nice, I fought a bard wearing it and he didn't hit me once.
Is it worth it?
Post by: Tarran on June 25, 2011, 04:50:36 pm
Post by: Dakk on June 25, 2011, 04:57:26 pm
'Ya forgot the picture.
Fix'd
Post by: Ochita on June 25, 2011, 05:01:03 pm
You want it. Such a good robe. Just remember to bring healing potions.
Post by: Tarran on June 25, 2011, 05:03:59 pm
Post by: Dakk on June 25, 2011, 05:09:24 pm
I have to take it off when I'm performing though.
...
Gee that didn't sound right.
Post by: Micro102 on June 25, 2011, 05:11:40 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 25, 2011, 08:14:41 pm
I carry lots of healing potions just in case :P...
I have to take it off when I'm performing though.
...
Gee that didn't sound right.
Please tell me your character is a male. It'll make it slightly less horrifying to me.
I don't find health potions to be all that useful. I drink one, then lose the same amount of health in the turn I used one.Yeah, minor ones are useless. All are useless in combat. The correct way to use them is to teleport away and drink drink drink.
Post by: Dakk on June 25, 2011, 08:42:44 pm
I carry lots of healing potions just in case :Pu...
I have to take it off when I'm performing though.
...
Gee that didn't sound right.
Please tell me your character is a male. It'll make it slightly less horrifying to me.
He is :P , a 50 charisma guy with long hairs and androgynous features.
That doesn't make it better, does it?
EDIT: It seems breeding little sisters paid off. I just came back to my ranch and found a level 12 asura waiting for me. Hell yes.
Post by: kcwong on June 26, 2011, 12:17:09 am
(http://i.imgur.com/hY25K.png)
Although Noa left, he've already created a game like no other. Nor there ever will be.
(http://i.imgur.com/7iFwa.png)
(Cecil's my little girl)
Post by: Krath on June 26, 2011, 12:27:59 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 26, 2011, 01:01:50 am
This one is so dirty even aliens dare not approach...
(http://i.imgur.com/hY25K.png)
Although Noa left, he've already created a game like no other. Nor there ever will be.
(http://i.imgur.com/7iFwa.png)
(Cecil's my little girl)
Also, Unclean Whores are apparently eyecandy, seeing that you will never go blind with them.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 26, 2011, 01:03:31 am
Post by: Tarran on June 26, 2011, 01:15:40 am
For obvious reasons...
Post by: Ochita on June 26, 2011, 03:26:34 am
Post by: Frumple on June 26, 2011, 03:33:04 am
So either th'whore's got some serious tats -- or someone's about to catch the clap.
... though now I'm kinda' wondering what how you hold on to that thing. Either you're grasping firmly, or you put your whole arm into it.
Th'latter's kinda' kinky...
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 26, 2011, 04:04:53 am
This game does occasionally love you. Start a new character, walk into vernis, get my little girl, little girl drinks from the well, What do you want to wish for?I got that one time when I was new to Elona. I had no idea what to wish for, entered something invalid and got some random crap. Now my little girl wife only drinks from wells when a trap will instantly kill her.
Maybe she's not happy with the marriage ???
Unclean whores make good shields, apparently.The aliens can't stand the sight of unclean whores making little girls wet...
Post by: jaxy15 on June 26, 2011, 08:06:13 am
I was drinking from a well which made my brain mechanical, gave me a crapton of gold, and my little girl pet just died from a trap..
Post by: Krath on June 26, 2011, 09:28:06 am
Post by: jaxy15 on June 26, 2011, 09:33:06 am
I wonder if unclean whores have asses comparable to Shena's...No.
Post by: Krath on June 26, 2011, 09:37:23 am
Post by: jaxy15 on June 26, 2011, 09:46:13 am
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 26, 2011, 10:29:47 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 26, 2011, 11:04:51 am
Shena's ass is the BEST!How does she stay in such great shape?
Post by: Niveras on June 26, 2011, 11:11:14 am
I'm pulling legendary stages and getting over 10000 gold per party (sometimes per performance) at 25 performer + a single [##] performance enhancing item.
How do you tell that it is a 'legendary' stage? Just the number of $ indicating the difficulty?
Also, does each # next to skill modifiers on items indicate that the skill is effectively 1 level stronger than unaided? Meaning wearing 3 items with # will make the skill they modify effectively level 18, if its 15 unaided?
Post by: Dakk on June 26, 2011, 12:19:07 pm
Also, you know you got a legendary stage when they give you a "Legendary stage!" message, which means you got the best possible impression.
With about +[###] from items to performer from items, I can now safely play to the King and Queen of Palmia, and even the One Who Dwells in Vanity in Vernis! Well, at least he doesn't throw rocks at me at parties anymore.
Post by: beorn080 on June 26, 2011, 12:37:13 pm
Post by: Patchy on June 26, 2011, 12:44:07 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on June 26, 2011, 04:32:58 pm
How would I start with instruments?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 26, 2011, 04:40:15 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on June 26, 2011, 05:46:20 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 26, 2011, 05:50:24 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 26, 2011, 06:11:12 pm
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 26, 2011, 06:24:26 pm
Can someone please explain this?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 26, 2011, 06:25:22 pm
You equipped the bow in the tutorial without reading the scroll of uncursing, didn't you?
Post by: FunctionZero on June 26, 2011, 06:28:19 pm
Head to the graveyard. Also, check every quest board for I want it! quests. Rarely do they want a musical instrument, which you can trade for and not give up at the end.Ah, found the horn at the graveyard, thanks!
Post by: Johnfalcon99977 on June 26, 2011, 06:54:48 pm
Most likely cursed equipment.Well, this was before I knew how to pick things up, so I was forced to use it while it was on the ground.
You equipped the bow in the tutorial without reading the scroll of uncursing, didn't you?
Was I suppost to have the cursed items in my bag?
Post by: Niveras on June 26, 2011, 07:08:20 pm
Post by: kcwong on June 26, 2011, 07:57:56 pm
Head to the graveyard. Also, check every quest board for I want it! quests. Rarely do they want a musical instrument, which you can trade for and not give up at the end.Ah, found the horn at the graveyard, thanks!
You can also kill bards (when you're able to)! They sometimes drop an instrument. I got several that way... read a scroll of inferior material and drop it in my cave. Bam! Lots of house rank.
Some facts:
- Your karma do not drop when you kill the NPC bards
- If you don't kill them, they will perform and draw money from you and your pets
- When you press * the game auto targets the bard instead of a closer NPC
Conclusion: Noa wants you to kill them. :D
Post by: beorn080 on June 26, 2011, 09:53:16 pm
Stockpile everything all the gods you plan to hit like, unless its perishable like fish. Itzpalt is the real biggie here, since staffs are extraordinarily rare compared to the rest of the items needed. For the rest, just stockpile the items as you find them. Shouldn't need to buy too much, though it is an option if you want to get a lot of favor really fast.
Pour your bonus points into Faith. I'm not sure if its even possible to train it, outside of the very rare scrolls of faith and the random faith dreams.
There are 5-6 spare alters in the world. Truce Grounds has one, Palmia has one, Noyel has one unaligned and one occasionally to Jure, the cyber dome has an extra to Mani, and the graveyard has an unaligned one as well. Those 5-6 extra alters can count for 25-30 items if you convert them with the favored item. That's halfway to the pet. Likewise, if you don't mind a bit of risk, you can burn down the alters, and they will respawn the way they were. Likewise, the Noyel alters reset every year during and after the holy festival. That means, potentially, you only need 32 favored items to get to the favor needed for a pet.
Post by: Krath on June 26, 2011, 10:04:58 pm
I might try that if I ever decide to make a Pianist.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 26, 2011, 11:19:28 pm
A bit of help for those who do god hopping.
Stockpile everything all the gods you plan to hit like, unless its perishable like fish. Itzpalt is the real biggie here, since staffs are extraordinarily rare compared to the rest of the items needed. For the rest, just stockpile the items as you find them. Shouldn't need to buy too much, though it is an option if you want to get a lot of favor really fast.
Pour your bonus points into Faith. I'm not sure if its even possible to train it, outside of the very rare scrolls of faith and the random faith dreams.
There are 5-6 spare alters in the world. Truce Grounds has one, Palmia has one, Noyel has one unaligned and one occasionally to Jure, the cyber dome has an extra to Mani, and the graveyard has an unaligned one as well. Those 5-6 extra alters can count for 25-30 items if you convert them with the favored item. That's halfway to the pet. Likewise, if you don't mind a bit of risk, you can burn down the alters, and they will respawn the way they were. Likewise, the Noyel alters reset every year during and after the holy festival. That means, potentially, you only need 32 favored items to get to the favor needed for a pet.
Thanks. Out of curiosity what should my second god pet be? I'm keeping the cute fairy to provide seeds for my farming operation. Right now my party consists of two gold bells, a <Wyvern>, and the aforementioned fairy.
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 12:07:04 am
Post by: beorn080 on June 27, 2011, 12:14:19 am
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 12:32:09 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 27, 2011, 12:35:07 am
Post by: Micro102 on June 27, 2011, 01:27:17 am
Post by: Dakk on June 27, 2011, 01:42:27 am
Potions of cure corruption are the reason you should never waste more then 1 chip at a time. Wasting 5~20 chips tryingto get an artifact is outright silly, since you can often use the potions to trade for the adventurer's items, and every chip counts as a possible potion.
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 01:56:48 am
Drinking from a fountain made me masochistic and man-pregnant.
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2011, 01:58:43 am
You only have to win 4 times at blackjack to guarantee you'll get a potion of cure corruption. If you win more its not a problem, you'll still get the potion + some normal item.I don't think so. Last time I won more than 5 times, I don't believe I got a PoCC.
...and man-pregnant.Drink some dye, poison, or sulfuric acid.
Trust me on this. I'm serious.
Post by: ductape on June 27, 2011, 02:00:59 am
Ah yes, I read about Bard killing in the wiki.
I might try that if I ever decide to make a Pianist.
You are usually just born with one.
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 02:40:00 am
I finally got to level 6.
I know where the emissary is, but how much do I pay?
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2011, 02:41:10 am
Also, one (probably) more thing.As much as your sent bills say.
I finally got to level 6.
I know where the emissary is, but how much do I pay?
Post by: LordBucket on June 27, 2011, 03:05:03 am
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Last time I won more than 5 times, I don't believe I got a PoCC.If I recall correctly, there's both a minimum and maximum threshold. Not enough wins and you won't get one. Too many, and you also won't get one. If 5 wins is when they become available, stop at 5.
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2011, 03:08:54 am
If 5 wins is when they become available, stop at 5.Actually, they become available at 4, and always come at 4 and 5. Later, and I don't believe you'll get it.
So, I suggest people keep playing until 5 wins, as you'll get a free (abit crappy) item out of it along with your PoCC.
Post by: Ochita on June 27, 2011, 03:31:16 am
You have to love a 777 increase in luck.
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 03:33:24 am
I don't get what that's supposed to mean.Also, one (probably) more thing.As much as your sent bills say.
I finally got to level 6.
I know where the emissary is, but how much do I pay?
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2011, 03:39:28 am
You pay how much your bills say is owned on them. Bills are sent to your house every once and a while. How difficult is that to understand?I don't get what that's supposed to mean.Also, one (probably) more thing.As much as your sent bills say.
I finally got to level 6.
I know where the emissary is, but how much do I pay?
Post by: Ochita on June 27, 2011, 03:39:46 am
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 03:42:39 am
Well, all I have to do is just finish an easy hunting job.
Post by: Bardum Idith on June 27, 2011, 03:47:51 am
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2011, 03:57:27 am
Tips for the uber newbs from a slightly-experienced-newb:
When the opponent has only two cards, the absolute max they can have is revealed card+11. This means, say, they have a 7. The absolute max they can have is 18. You should try to lead or equal the number. But revealed card+10 is more likely a stopping point, as As are not extremely frequent (at least, I think). Still, prepare for the worst.
The place to stop is 16. Around here, your chances of getting a good card just drop significantly even with high luck. At about 18, STOP. Because your chances of getting a good card, even with great luck, are horrible.
Don't abuse your luck. Just because you have luck, doesn't mean it'll save you all the time, so only use luck-intensive card selecting when you know your opponent has a higher card.
Cheating is a bad idea in my opinion. When you usually need it, it'll usually fail. You'll just loose karma and your potential (sucky) reward.
If you have a 10 or lower, always pull out a new card; you'll never go over because the absolute max each card is 11 on an A.
Count the opponent's cards. If they equal 21 or something above and there's more cards, they've definitely gone over. If their last number is big, like 10, after pulling a lot of other cards, they may have gone over.
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 04:36:07 am
Human is clearly the best meat.
Post by: Ochita on June 27, 2011, 04:40:25 am
For their meat. Charisma enhancing gooooo..
Post by: beorn080 on June 27, 2011, 04:43:29 am
Post by: jaxy15 on June 27, 2011, 05:54:00 am
I love this game.
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2011, 06:07:10 am
I've done it... uhhh... at least sixteen times? With one (female while I'm male) magic vendor in Vernis. Needless to say, her relation is about 70+. ;)
Post by: Ochita on June 27, 2011, 06:18:36 am
Not that bad. plus with a living bronze longsword, which deals 2D10+2 damage...
2D10+9*0.8.
I can now damage crabs with out using my grenade.
Post by: beorn080 on June 27, 2011, 02:00:01 pm
I just picked up a pair of cursed boots that has It attracts monsters (####) on it. Should I just get rid of it via vendor/dumped in the wilderness, or should I attempt to trade it to a guard somewhere, preferably in the kings room of Palmia?
Edit: I got another decentish item. Disturbs growth by #, but is doomed and drops perception by 8. Sucks eh?
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 27, 2011, 02:21:42 pm
Alright. A question.
I just picked up a pair of cursed boots that has It attracts monsters (####) on it. Should I just get rid of it via vendor/dumped in the wilderness, or should I attempt to trade it to a guard somewhere, preferably in the kings room of Palmia?
Edit: I got another decentish item. Disturbs growth by #, but is doomed and drops perception by 8. Sucks eh?
With high level It attracts monsters, just remember to off the guard before things get too out of control to handle. Usually things can be kept to a reasonable level, but I once had to nuke Palmia due to the sheer amount of dragons that had overrun it.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 27, 2011, 02:29:35 pm
So, I just had a "little tail" with a drunk wizard girl.
I love this game.
I have all the female vendors in Yown as Fellows. I complete a harvest time quest, have some tail, and report the quest complete to instantly recoup the karma! Great way to get extra money once you have good gardening skill and equipment to maintain all your stats. This tactic should work for performers doing the party time quest in Palmia as well.
Post by: Ochita on June 27, 2011, 02:33:45 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 27, 2011, 02:39:58 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 27, 2011, 02:43:39 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 27, 2011, 02:56:54 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on June 27, 2011, 05:44:17 pm
I have all the female vendors in Yown as Fellows. I complete a harvest time quest, have some tail, and report the quest complete to instantly recoup the karma! Great way to get extra money once you have good gardening skill and equipment to maintain all your stats. This tactic should work for performers doing the party time quest in Palmia as well.Why limit yourself to females? Sexist, much?
Post by: jakeread1 on June 28, 2011, 04:42:44 am
Post by: Micro102 on June 28, 2011, 05:33:02 am
Im going to lets play this because it is beyond awesome...mainly because of the nukes...okay and the prostition XD
Video I hope, as no one else has done much of a good job let's playing it.
I'd watch it!
Post by: Astral on June 28, 2011, 08:12:57 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 28, 2011, 08:14:51 am
Post by: kcwong on June 28, 2011, 08:19:44 am
And some tips about the putit dungeon:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 28, 2011, 08:23:45 am
Post by: kcwong on June 28, 2011, 08:25:24 am
Waste of a feat for something so easily avoidable really.
I'd rather spend a feat then to unequip and drop everything every time I sleep... that's a ton of key presses.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on June 28, 2011, 08:28:48 am
Post by: Patchy on June 28, 2011, 12:27:06 pm
As for the mine, I carry 4 or 5 rods of magic missle in there. And fight that last room from the narrow hall. If you let a couple putits stand in front of you so that the slimes can't get to you, you can take the slimes out safely. Use the * key to target them.
Post by: Dakk on June 28, 2011, 01:32:12 pm
When everything has random genders and random faces and, to be quite blunt, gender does nothing, it's silly to look at these people as anything more than sacks of money waiting to be, uh, tapped.
Mind you, this is not my stance on the rest of humanity.
Indeed. And why waste time with prostitution when I can just wave a musical instrument around and become a money magnet?
Post by: beorn080 on June 28, 2011, 02:22:14 pm
One of the first items found?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Niveras on June 28, 2011, 02:32:17 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on June 28, 2011, 02:34:47 pm
Post by: BigD145 on June 28, 2011, 02:38:26 pm
Started a new performer, as my previous one had went from, due to a series of bad mutations, etherwind, and a few deaths, 28 charisma to 5, even after drinking my cure mutation potions, which merely succeeded in getting rid of my good ones.
One of the first items found?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Prevents you from teleporting? Don't most curses cause you to teleport randomly? Best cursed item ever!
Post by: Tarran on June 28, 2011, 02:40:42 pm
Prevents you from teleporting? Don't most curses cause you to teleport randomly? Best cursed item ever!That still doesn't do away with the fact that cursed items have many more negative powers. Teleportation is likely the least of your worries.
Post by: beorn080 on June 28, 2011, 02:58:19 pm
Post by: jaxy15 on June 28, 2011, 03:03:35 pm
I made a new character, escorted someone to Palmia, decided to drink from the fountains there, and I GOT A WISH.
I wished for a ranch.
Post by: beorn080 on June 28, 2011, 03:09:02 pm
Post by: Patchy on June 28, 2011, 03:11:43 pm
Started a new performer, as my previous one had went from, due to a series of bad mutations, etherwind, and a few deaths, 28 charisma to 5, even after drinking my cure mutation potions, which merely succeeded in getting rid of my good ones.
One of the first items found?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Uncurse that bugger and turn it into anything but raw asap. My wizzie still misses her literacy <####> dagger she accidently ate.
Why the hell do wizards always mess up whose dream they go in anyway?
They aren't that common for me, but then again I'm playing a wizzie. My warrior and pianist I had before my wizzie got them all the time though. 800 stock of dominate on my warrior, 5% chance to cast it and overcast would probably kill her.
Post by: Micro102 on June 28, 2011, 03:29:09 pm
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Started a new performer, as my previous one had went from, due to a series of bad mutations, etherwind, and a few deaths, 28 charisma to 5, even after drinking my cure mutation potions, which merely succeeded in getting rid of my good ones.
mutations from ether wind can only be cured with potions of cure corruption.
Post by: Niveras on June 28, 2011, 03:43:22 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 28, 2011, 03:57:09 pm
Post by: LordBucket on June 28, 2011, 06:55:38 pm
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cure corruption potions were hard to come by,
since I lacked chips due a horrific string of bad games of blackjack
Try trading with adventurers for them.
Post by: Weirdsound on June 29, 2011, 12:29:23 am
Quotecure corruption potions were hard to come by,
since I lacked chips due a horrific string of bad games of blackjack
Try trading with adventurers for them.
Once you have a ranch you can just stockpile engagement jewelry and marry and then sell off your newly born pets. Weddings give potions of cure corrupt. I doubt it is the most financially efficient way to earn them, but it is reliable.
Post by: Krath on June 29, 2011, 12:41:29 am
I haven't really tried to stay as low a level as possible, I'm just trying to play the game.
Post by: kcwong on June 29, 2011, 12:57:36 am
Highest character I've ever gotten is a Level 4 Juere Warrior. Who died horribly after refusing to give in to the bandits on the road.
I haven't really tried to stay as low a level as possible, I'm just trying to play the game.
Bandits are supposed to be tough. If you don't want them coming at you too often, don't carry too many cargo (that includes cargoes of food).
Keep every single scroll of teleport and minor teleport. Whenever you are in over your head, read a teleport scroll. It will buy you some time to leave the map or read a escape/return scroll. If you have leashed your pets they will teleport to you soon after.
If you haven't identified those scrolls... farm puppy dungeon for scrolls and id all of them.
Post by: Hyo on June 29, 2011, 09:40:04 am
Post by: Ochita on June 29, 2011, 10:03:31 am
Being a mage, I can cast it. Also I've I.D'd some spell books, which is useful for farming the puppy dungeon.
Also insane damage. 30 or so max. 13 min.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 29, 2011, 10:10:44 am
Quotecure corruption potions were hard to come by,
since I lacked chips due a horrific string of bad games of blackjack
Try trading with adventurers for them.
Once you have a ranch you can just stockpile engagement jewelry and marry and then sell off your newly born pets. Weddings give potions of cure corrupt. I doubt it is the most financially efficient way to earn them, but it is reliable.
Actually, if the pet you intend to marry isn't humanoid, give it to <Raphael> the womanizer for a nice karma boost and some items.
Yes, I said it right. A karma boost.
Post by: jaxy15 on June 29, 2011, 10:17:09 am
Any suggestions besides cooking wild plants and sleeping on my home's floor?
Post by: ein on June 29, 2011, 11:09:34 am
You can also use a disguise kit and give lost property to guards.
Post by: Tarran on June 29, 2011, 02:00:18 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on June 29, 2011, 02:46:22 pm
Post by: hachnslay on June 29, 2011, 04:18:35 pm
no really, for me it's easy. i played in 1.13 or 1.14 - the one where "harvest" was horribly unbalanced. i upgraded versions and kept a stack of 233 rods of wish. ... if you see cuddles spam wish in chat - yes, that's me, and yes, that's obtained solely by playing the game.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2011, 01:09:37 pm
Post by: Zangi on July 01, 2011, 02:10:23 pm
Speaking of wishing rods how smart is the wish algorithm? If you are a fairy will it give you gear that is too heavy?Its random. Their is no 'smart'. You can always change the material anyways.
Post by: Bardum Idith on July 01, 2011, 02:21:40 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2011, 06:22:50 pm
Use the Dom rod to complete the silver cat quest if you havn't yet. If you have, I'd say use it on a gold bell. Give the little guy a ranged weapon and some ammo. You will not be disappointed.
Post by: Ochita on July 01, 2011, 07:25:59 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2011, 11:11:58 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 01, 2011, 11:23:57 pm
Post by: beorn080 on July 01, 2011, 11:27:40 pm
Post by: Dakk on July 01, 2011, 11:30:11 pm
Post by: beorn080 on July 01, 2011, 11:34:30 pm
Take this list http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Small_medal
Find the small medals. Need 20 of them.
Go to the workshop, buy a rod.
Post by: Weirdsound on July 01, 2011, 11:56:18 pm
Post by: Frumple on July 02, 2011, 12:19:26 am
Also, never, ever give a bell a grenade. They will kill themselves and/or you, and do so very, very, quickly. Shuriken or panties are the way to go.
For the time stop thing, it works just fine on NPCs, iirc.
Post by: Empty on July 02, 2011, 01:58:30 pm
Anyone have a link to the latest build or something?
Post by: Acperience on July 02, 2011, 03:23:29 pm
I've been meaning to get into Elona at some point.
Anyone have a link to the latest build or something?
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html)
FYI though development is limbo right now since the original dev dropped it.
Someone else to porting to java (which according to him will take a while) THEN perhaps updates.
Post by: Farce on July 05, 2011, 04:54:24 pm
Playing 1.20, though, and I've run into a problem. It seems that winning 3-4 times and then losing at blackjack no longer gives cure corruption potions... has anyone know if that's right?
Post by: LordBucket on July 05, 2011, 06:11:38 pm
Post by: Bardum Idith on July 07, 2011, 10:38:05 am
Post by: Weirdsound on July 07, 2011, 10:54:48 am
Aaaargh, some guard in Palmia has monster summoning equipment, giving me battle spam whenever I'm in the town. From time to time a citizen is killed and I can grab the loot (got a masterpiece bed and a throne that way), but now aliens came and made the king pregnat. That's gonna be FUN :o
Now might be a good time to consider completing the Red Blossom in Palmia quest. Just saying.
Post by: Bardum Idith on July 07, 2011, 11:11:55 am
Now might be a good time to consider completing the Red Blossom in Palmia quest. Just saying.This :D
Post by: Trapezohedron on July 07, 2011, 11:44:38 am
Now might be a good time to consider completing the Red Blossom in Palmia quest. Just saying.
But the question is, can you carry it? Are you dwarf enough to haul slade-weighted thermonuclear devices?
Post by: Bardum Idith on July 07, 2011, 12:37:30 pm
But the question is, can you carry it? Are you dwarf enough to haul slade-weighted thermonuclear devices?I'm a peasant, hauling is my life.
Palmia is gone now. I went back there to scavenge a bit, but the survivors/reincarnations were not amused, so I only got a diamond and a stuid tree. It looks nice in my garden though.
Seems I have to grind the tail out of Derphy quests now :-\
Edit: Yayz, I'm strong enough to pay my taxes without anybody dying
Post by: Weirdsound on July 09, 2011, 12:12:02 am
Post by: Virroken on July 09, 2011, 01:02:27 am
Anybody know a reliable way to get potions of descent? I feel as if my level is getting a *bit* out of control. I think I heard somewhere that if you breed zombies at your ranch they will drop from time to time. Can anybody confirm this?
Nope. Unless you get multiple ranches, zombie breedrate*droprate just isn't high enough to reliably get potions in a timely fashion. Zombie ranches are the only way to increase the overall PoD droprate, but the increase is so small you might as well not bother. If you happen to have unlimited charisma and gold, something like 10x ranch might work.
source: 2x zombie ranch.
Post by: happyft on July 09, 2011, 03:44:59 pm
I've realized after the fact the game design is really similar to Elona Shooter in the sense that the early to early-mid game is the hardest part. Once you figure out the best combos, it's just repetitive after that. Haha, from reading the wiki, it seems the most abusive strat is to gather up potions of cure corruption from blackjack, dig up medals for a rod of domination and gear up a bell with panties or something like that. Meh, I feel like my opening was abusive enough ^^ The luck +15 giving treasure maps made it all so easy ^^
Well I have to figure out how to beat magic users now. I get to the third of fourth lvl of some of these lvl 3-4 dungeons and I get one-rounded by a goblin shaman, faerie and wizard.
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 09, 2011, 03:47:04 pm
Post by: Weirdsound on July 09, 2011, 04:01:56 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on July 09, 2011, 04:03:41 pm
I managed to wish 3 times via wells. I got a farm, a blanket(Tried to get cozy house) and seven league boots.Lucky, all I get is monsters ::)
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 09, 2011, 05:36:51 pm
I had the luck of getting a luck buff from a dream. I got two wishes from one wellI managed to wish 3 times via wells. I got a farm, a blanket(Tried to get cozy house) and seven league boots.Lucky, all I get is monsters ::)
Post by: Seriyu on July 11, 2011, 07:18:11 pm
Incidentally does anyone know where progress on the "replacement" for elona is at? I checked the thread in the official forums and it doesn't seem to have any URL in there unless I missed it.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 11, 2011, 08:49:13 pm
There won't be a relase for some time.
Post by: LordBucket on July 11, 2011, 08:52:56 pm
holy well in Noyel it has a higher chance of giving a wish too.
But you can only refill it with blessed water I think it is.
No, no, bad!
The holy well will replenish by one "charge" every two months. But if you try to refill it, it will be forever polluted and never work again.
Only regular wells can be recharged with potions, and that rarely works more than once.
Post by: Blaze on July 11, 2011, 09:40:11 pm
Post by: Virroken on July 11, 2011, 10:19:43 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: noah22223 on July 11, 2011, 10:21:35 pm
Post by: Frumple on July 11, 2011, 10:25:15 pm
Post by: Virroken on July 12, 2011, 12:14:05 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2011, 12:18:17 am
Still in the process of porting to java AFAIK.
There won't be a relase for some time.
Huh, okay. Thanks!
And thanks for correcting me about the holy well too! Didn't know it'd "depollute" itself either.
Also congratulations to Virroken for beating the game!
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 12, 2011, 11:48:37 am
Well, I accidentally released a spiral king there.
EDIT:While I was performing at a party, a beggar drank sulfuric acid and dissolved right in front of me.
Post by: happyft on July 12, 2011, 01:28:21 pm
Throw what? Your throw a vomit. It hits Odyhock! Odyhock gets wet. Karma(-2) Odyhock glares at you. *quaff* Odyhock feels grumpy. Odyhock gets sick.
Nice. What would possess someone to drink the vomit that was thrown at them?
Post by: Farce on July 12, 2011, 01:39:05 pm
Post by: happyft on July 12, 2011, 02:07:56 pm
Btw, if you ever feed an NPC spoiled food and are nowhere close to the exits, I've discovered you can alleviate the -5 karma and relationship penalty by first throwing an alcoholic beverage at them (it must hit them and make them drunk -- also, simply giving it to them won't work since they're already in the process of eating), and then attack them once. You will get a -2 karma hit from throwing something at them, but when they die no penalty will be incurred. For whatever reason it must be an alcoholic beverage as well, I guess they have to be drunk? Kinda bizarre, but I was pretty desperate at the time :D
Edit: also, your sig is oddly fitting
Post by: kcwong on July 21, 2011, 11:03:54 am
Post by: beorn080 on July 21, 2011, 11:13:38 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on July 21, 2011, 12:51:31 pm
Best thing to do is to buy slaves, take the staves, sell them and repeat, and buy the staves from every single blacksmith you can find. Investing, if you have the cash, helps somewhat, as it expands the shopkeeper's inventory.
Post by: Seriyu on July 22, 2011, 02:02:04 am
A machine farmer. Andy. Maybe someone will get it. I hope.
Post by: amjh on July 22, 2011, 07:11:33 am
A machine farmer. Andy. Maybe someone will get it. I hope.
Advance wars reference?
Post by: GaxkangtheUnbound on July 22, 2011, 10:34:16 am
I've seen quite a few in dungeons I've visited.
Post by: kcwong on July 22, 2011, 11:34:35 am
That said, I do have a level 30 monster ball. Worth trying.
Post by: KaguroDraven on July 24, 2011, 03:56:23 pm
Post by: em312s0n on July 24, 2011, 04:34:55 pm
Can you even capture them? And they probably have 0 breeding power like bells.
That said, I do have a level 30 monster ball. Worth trying.
I think rod of domination would capture them.. i think..
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 25, 2011, 09:01:15 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 25, 2011, 09:04:09 am
The fate of Snails in Elona :P
Post by: KaguroDraven on July 25, 2011, 09:29:30 am
Post by: amjh on July 25, 2011, 09:33:55 am
Post by: em312s0n on July 25, 2011, 09:58:13 am
Cursed items?or a mutation...
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 25, 2011, 10:39:41 am
hee hee hee...
Post by: kcwong on July 25, 2011, 11:00:55 am
That lil comic is awesome.
hee hee hee...
There's a sub-forum full of them, most translated into English, in the official forum.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 26, 2011, 11:34:14 am
I keep starving to death...
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 26, 2011, 11:39:45 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 26, 2011, 11:40:48 am
Or you could repeatedly enter and exit wilderness areas while taking any api nuts, edible wild plants, or herbs.
grrninja
Post by: KaguroDraven on July 26, 2011, 11:41:27 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 26, 2011, 01:06:06 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 26, 2011, 03:14:32 pm
Y'know what I hate? Kobolds. Level 2 dungeon, taking a stroll with the little girl, I enter a room. Bam, kobold. I turn to leave and a
spider/robot/whatever blocks the way and it kills us both.
This game is great, do golems need to eat?
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 26, 2011, 05:26:34 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 26, 2011, 08:05:43 pm
Oh that's fine.
Y'know what I hate? Kobolds. Level 2 dungeon, taking a stroll with the little girl, I enter a room. Bam, kobold. I turn to leave and a
spider/robot/whatever blocks the way and it kills us both.
Kobolds are early game glass cannons. Until you have a few levels under your belt (to get more HP and better PV from better equipment), don't stray too far away from the stairs. Once you spot a kobold, run.
Post by: LordBucket on July 26, 2011, 09:01:58 pm
Y'know what I hate? Kobolds. Level 2 dungeon
Personally I'd advise not setting foot in any dungeon for your first couple hours of gameplay. It's safer to power up doing quests for platinum, which also happens to be worth a lot more in the long run than anything you'll find in a dungeon.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 27, 2011, 09:48:43 am
Are fuel cells the ammo for lazer guns?
Oh, and cats are evil the guy was all "Hey, cats have taken over my house" So I laughed, went downstairs then ran back
upstairs again. Brings back bad memories...
Oh, and y'know what else is annoying early-game? Hermit crabs. Using a class with only a starting-level sword, those things take FOREVER to kill.
Can things be placed in treasure chests by the way?
Post by: Blaze on July 27, 2011, 09:56:57 am
Are fuel cells the ammo for lazer guns?You mean energy cells? They work for all guns, bullets only work for "regular" guns though.
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Oh, and cats are evil the guy was all "Hey, cats have taken over my house" So I laughed, went downstairs then ran backYou can expect pretty much all non-quest-board quests to be like this.
upstairs again. Brings back bad memories...
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Oh, and y'know what else is annoying early-game? Hermit crabs. Using a class with only a starting-level sword, those things take FOREVER to kill.Which is why you keep magic rods, attack spells bypass their high PV. Alternatively grenades blasts also bypass PV or get a shuriken and have them bleed to death.
Also, since they do so little damage, they're nice to train weapon skills on; as long as you don't starve or have more monsters come in.
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Can things be placed in treasure chests by the way?
No, Only three containers allow you to put AND take items. The fridge and cooler box - which are food only. And the 4D pocket, which is a spell you're probably not going to get for a very long time.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 27, 2011, 01:55:20 pm
Time for me to continue my adventure!
Post by: LordBucket on July 27, 2011, 04:44:12 pm
y'know what else is annoying early-game? Hermit crabs. Using a class
with only a starting-level sword, those things take FOREVER to kill.
No, they are awesome because they take forever to kill. You don't want to kill them. You want to use them as training dummies. Equip your least damaging weapon, walk up to the thing and hold down an arrow key until either you or the crab is in danger of dying. Walk away and heal. Repeat.
Multiple points of weapon skill later, swap to a two handed weapon instead of a one handed weapon and repeat. Then do a couple hours of quests, turn in platinum for skill potential and look for more hermit crabs.
Welcome to Elona.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 27, 2011, 06:31:08 pm
Granted, I don't think I currently have the permission to redistribute said executable, but should I get said permission, I'll gladly share. :)
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 27, 2011, 06:43:58 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on July 28, 2011, 07:13:38 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 28, 2011, 01:52:52 pm
I like the music inn the title screen. Oh, anndd typing whilst elona runs sometimes enters keys twice. Strange,huh?
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on July 28, 2011, 01:55:23 pm
Alright, well, I've posted it up at the end of the thread I linked above. I only want the link in one place in case they decide they don't want it distributed. I'm trying to play the nice guy just in case. :P Well, enjoy!
Thank you very much.
You have made me a very happy person. :D
Post by: Singularity125 on July 28, 2011, 02:42:24 pm
So wait,what does that link do again?
I like the music inn the title screen. Oh, anndd typing whilst elona runs sometimes enters keys twice. Strange,huh?
Fixes bugs. Like letting you see the blackjack screen again. Note that some of the bugfixes make things harder; I buffed blackjack potion chances from what the code was intended to do, but you still can't get guaranteed potions with 4 wins anymore. On the other hand, you get better chances for one with more wins, instead of worse chances. I consider this reasonable. Haven't tested all the fixes yet, so careful about that.
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&p=29258#p29258 (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&p=29258#p29258) <--- Link for the lazy.
Also, it probably goes without saying but this is based off 1.22, being the newest version. :P So if you're still on 1.16, or x-mas, or whatever, follow the standard rules for upgrading saves. Also it's not my fault if it explodes horribly.
In other news, I forgot what I was doing in my old save so I wanted to start over. Thus I force-fed 6 aphrodisiacs to my Cute Fairy and threw random jewelry at him until we could make a gene. This game really breaks your sense of morals. :D
Post by: em312s0n on July 29, 2011, 02:01:19 am
Oh yeah, this game. You guys revived the thread, and thus my interest. Used to play it ages ago, don't really now. However, I'd gotten source for the game from Noa, and had trouble hacking it at the time. I solved that today, and put in all the fixes from here: http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&start=30#p28019wait so you know how the living weapons work? could you post a sort of guide on how to pick a name for living weapons without getting the "will suck your blood" attribute?
Granted, I don't think I currently have the permission to redistribute said executable, but should I get said permission, I'll gladly share. :)
EDIT: i know you can use a scroll of rename to rename a weapon so that it doesnt get a bad attribute next level but there comes a point that almost all of the names i rename it to will give me the suck blood attribute what im asking for is how to pick the name when i use the scroll of name that doesnt give me a bad attribute when leveling up
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4579&p=25655&hilit=living+weapons#p25655
a thread i made a long time ago about it...
Post by: Singularity125 on July 29, 2011, 09:31:08 am
Edit: Alright, fine. Since you got me so curious... here's the relevant line.
Code: [Select]
lockRand iSubName(ci):if iGrowth(ci)>=(4+rnd(12)) : txt lang("<Garbled Japanese characters>","But you sense something weird.")Looks like it just uses the item's name as the random seed, nothing more complex. Thus, nobody can really give you a list of magically-working names. As you can see, the limit of 15 levels is definitely built-in, while if you're really unlucky it'll start sucking blood at level 4. None of which matters to me because I've yet to ever find a living weapon. :P
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 11:59:33 am
Y'know that pile of gold you get every month?
Is it more than you're taxed or less? Oh, and does it change or is it static?
Oh, and last time I was playing was awesome. I went into a tower with one room and a corridoor that had a dead end. I dug the dead
end and a swarm of bears attacked me. I cut them all to pieces though which was fun.
P.S I hate kamikaze yeeks. Not as much as those performers which throw things at you though. brr.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 29, 2011, 12:02:29 pm
All buildings you own are taxed whereas your income is based on your rank + Shop income + Museum income.
Arena rank and pet arena rank contribute to your salary too.
Post by: em312s0n on July 29, 2011, 12:48:06 pm
You're asking me to dig through the code until I find the answer? Er, maybe some other time. Like I said, following directions is easy. But the code is nigh-indecipherable otherwise. x.x I think I do remember hearing that after level 15 or so, every name causes the blood-sucking attribute, and there's nothing you can do about it.oh man.. well thanks anyway and thanks for that blackjack fix
Edit: Alright, fine. Since you got me so curious... here's the relevant line.Code: [Select]lockRand iSubName(ci):if iGrowth(ci)>=(4+rnd(12)) : txt lang("<Garbled Japanese characters>","But you sense something weird.")
Looks like it just uses the item's name as the random seed, nothing more complex. Thus, nobody can really give you a list of magically-working names. As you can see, the limit of 15 levels is definitely built-in, while if you're really unlucky it'll start sucking blood at level 4. None of which matters to me because I've yet to ever find a living weapon. :P
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 01:06:00 pm
K. I need to find a way to make money to invest with. Should I try to farm scrolls of oracle in the puppy cave?
P.S Menace, your new avatar is cool.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 29, 2011, 01:57:46 pm
Also thankee :3
And you only get income from one shop you own, 2 or more is a waste
And shops are a bad way to get money unless you can do lots of dungeon diving.
I suggest arena spamming 'til you have a high rank in order to get money at first.
Shops and Museums aren't profitable until later game.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 29, 2011, 02:46:21 pm
Post by: LordBucket on July 29, 2011, 02:59:39 pm
In any case, I'd recommend not worrying about gold for a while. Platinum is far more valuable. Do quests, level up your skills, become more powerful. Trade cure corruption potions or stacks of oracle scrolls to adventurer's to get gear. There aren't many things you need gold for: real estate deeds and potions of potential, mostly. Those are definitely very useful, but it's sort of a long term endeavor to set up a castle and level up vendors to farm potions from.
If you're at a stage of the game where setting foot in the puppy cave is even something that would occur to you, seriously...don't worry about gold. You don't need it yet. Do quests for platinum and level your skills more.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 29, 2011, 03:01:29 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 05:07:09 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 29, 2011, 05:07:50 pm
Also, get some nicer furniture for your house.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 29, 2011, 05:57:58 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 06:13:03 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 29, 2011, 06:16:08 pm
Otherwise, quest rewards.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 29, 2011, 06:24:14 pm
Post by: KaguroDraven on July 29, 2011, 06:25:09 pm
Also, any suggestions on a starting build?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 06:27:41 pm
Not sure about mining though, wouldn'ty mind knowing m'self.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 29, 2011, 06:32:15 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 08:58:00 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2011, 09:35:45 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on July 29, 2011, 09:53:13 pm
The high level makes for much better loot.
Post by: kcwong on July 29, 2011, 10:55:53 pm
But I need gold for tax. I get paid less than I need to pay...
No, normally you don't. Unless you go way ahead of your abilities and somehow get enough money to buy multiple ranches or something that has an upkeep. You get paid twice in a month: 1st and 15th and only pay tax once.
I wasn't aware that picks actually did anything. Aren't they just pieces of furniture, or did they get additional features in newer versions of the game?
That was my impression too. My current character has about 15 in Mining, and she's mining walls in towns and hunting quests just fine without a pick...
So you just dig?
Not only that... if food is no longer a concern and you don't mind gravels everywhere, you can use the House board's design function to fill your house with walls. Then you mine them out and repeat. You can get small amounts of money and ores easily.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 11:04:26 pm
Well i'm going to go look for a pick so I don't fail all the time.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2011, 11:24:57 pm
Is it possible to pick up your house board and move/use it somewhere else?
Post by: Tarran on July 29, 2011, 11:27:20 pm
Is it possible to pick up your house board and move/use it somewhere else?I believe so. I'm rusty, but I'm 95% sure, since they sell them and I believe I've moved them before.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 29, 2011, 11:52:57 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 30, 2011, 12:02:41 am
There should be a few in your cave house.
Is it possible to pick up your house board and move/use it somewhere else?
Yes. I used the one from starting cave to redesign my museum. Ranches and shops come with their registers, so they have no need for a house board.
Quote from: Wolf Tengu
I got rid of them ages ago because I didn't know they did anything and were cluttering up the place...
You can once in a while find one in dungeons or general shops.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 30, 2011, 12:13:08 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 30, 2011, 02:31:00 am
Post by: Ochita on July 30, 2011, 02:40:51 am
Post by: kcwong on July 30, 2011, 03:01:58 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 30, 2011, 03:57:15 am
Edit: Sorry to double post , but is there anywhere I can find the music that plays during the arena? It's awesome.
Post by: Blaze on July 30, 2011, 08:47:58 am
It'd be easier to find something to cure disease. That'd be hitting around 20 birds with one stone.
Edit: Sorry to double post , but is there anywhere I can find the music that plays during the arena? It's awesome.
All the game's music can be found in the game's folder somewhere, in the music folder. Alternatively, if you find a "disc (#)" item, you can change the background of any area of the game (like your house) to your liking by using it. However, the music attached to the disc is random, depending on the number, and the change is permanent.
Cure corruption potions can be obtained by winning in the casino using casino chips you dig up from material spots. Alternatively, marrying a pet (any pet), will give you a cure corruption potion as part of the wedding gift. Just get a whole bunch of "gift" items and engagement jewelry, spam give them to a random pet, and then marry him/her/it. If you choose a disposable spouse, pick an animal, so you get +2 karma instead of -15 if you sell him/her/it to the Ralph in Port Kapul's inn.
Since you have an internet connection, be sure to drop by the voting booth every now and then; there's one in every town. Regular voting increases your voter rank, which is pretty much free money per salary.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on July 30, 2011, 12:09:06 pm
Edit: Sorry to double post , but is there anywhere I can find the music that plays during the arena? It's awesome.If you check the website you can download the MP3s of the music, although I wouldn't suggest replacing the ingame music with them because the game can adjust the pitch and tempo of the MIDI music.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 30, 2011, 08:23:04 pm
Incidentally, if there are any other questions on stuff like this, feel free to ask. I may even drop it on the wiki at some point. :)
Post by: kcwong on July 30, 2011, 10:45:47 pm
By digging through the source, I can confirm that picks are useless for mining. Only your strength and your Mining skill are used.
Incidentally, if there are any other questions on stuff like this, feel free to ask. I may even drop it on the wiki at some point. :)
*Raises hand* I have one!
Yesterday I heard in-game a rumor that reading a scroll of oracle before opening a chest increases the chance of getting better loot.
Is there any truth to that?
Post by: em312s0n on July 31, 2011, 03:43:27 am
if i remember correctly scrolls of oracle tell you where artifact items areBy digging through the source, I can confirm that picks are useless for mining. Only your strength and your Mining skill are used.
Incidentally, if there are any other questions on stuff like this, feel free to ask. I may even drop it on the wiki at some point. :)
*Raises hand* I have one!
Yesterday I heard in-game a rumor that reading a scroll of oracle before opening a chest increases the chance of getting better loot.
Is there any truth to that?
Post by: kcwong on July 31, 2011, 03:52:51 am
if i remember correctly scrolls of oracle tell you where artifact items areBy digging through the source, I can confirm that picks are useless for mining. Only your strength and your Mining skill are used.
Incidentally, if there are any other questions on stuff like this, feel free to ask. I may even drop it on the wiki at some point. :)
*Raises hand* I have one!
Yesterday I heard in-game a rumor that reading a scroll of oracle before opening a chest increases the chance of getting better loot.
Is there any truth to that?
Yes I know what oracle scrolls are for... but a NPC said reading one before you open a chest improves the chance of getting better loot.
Post by: Virroken on July 31, 2011, 04:01:10 am
Also, blessing mechanics in general. Beds/fishing/cooking/tailoring/performing. Equipment?
Post by: kcwong on July 31, 2011, 07:38:40 am
Blessing treasure maps!
Also, blessing mechanics in general. Beds/fishing/cooking/tailoring/performing. Equipment?
For blessed treasure maps it's well known that you will get clearer hints. Otherwise you might be looking at a map full of snow/grass and nothing else.
Post by: Niveras on July 31, 2011, 11:14:24 am
if i remember correctly scrolls of oracle tell you where artifact items areBy digging through the source, I can confirm that picks are useless for mining. Only your strength and your Mining skill are used.
Incidentally, if there are any other questions on stuff like this, feel free to ask. I may even drop it on the wiki at some point. :)
*Raises hand* I have one!
Yesterday I heard in-game a rumor that reading a scroll of oracle before opening a chest increases the chance of getting better loot.
Is there any truth to that?
Yes I know what oracle scrolls are for... but a NPC said reading one before you open a chest improves the chance of getting better loot.
This appears to be a false fortune, unless it has changed since it was added to the wiki: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Fortune_cookie
Post by: Singularity125 on July 31, 2011, 12:57:41 pm
Post by: Virroken on July 31, 2011, 02:04:32 pm
Blessing treasure maps!
Also, blessing mechanics in general. Beds/fishing/cooking/tailoring/performing. Equipment?
For blessed treasure maps it's well known that you will get clearer hints. Otherwise you might be looking at a map full of snow/grass and nothing else.
Does it enhance the loot?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 31, 2011, 08:22:45 pm
I think someone who gives a certain qust was just assassined...
Post by: FunctionZero on July 31, 2011, 08:30:24 pm
Do NPC's respawn?Yeah. I don't now how quickly.
I think someone who gives a certain qust was just assassined...
Pretty fast though, I know I killed that girl who follows you in Yowyn every time. So in 1-3 days.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 31, 2011, 08:33:34 pm
Hey, are those dying messages I see actual other players or what?
Post by: FunctionZero on July 31, 2011, 09:12:05 pm
Oh that's ok, thanks.Yeah, those are other players.
Hey, are those dying messages I see actual other players or what?
(for bonus points change your name and title to something disgusting then spam die)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 31, 2011, 09:37:27 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 31, 2011, 09:46:32 pm
Do any of you guys ever die?
Before level 6, I don't mind dying.
Afterward level 6 I only accept dying in arena/party quests, where there's no penalty other than tired status.
Post by: FunctionZero on July 31, 2011, 09:48:23 pm
Afterward level 6 I only accept dying in arena/party quests, where there's no penalty other than tired status.I'm actually pretty sure your stats drop. Even on quests.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 31, 2011, 09:51:40 pm
I'm only asking abiut you dying so I can say to myself 'Hey, those guys are playing Elona, neat.'
Post by: Trapezohedron on July 31, 2011, 09:59:36 pm
I've yet to try though, if I can get any of those stuff, without morphing, and dual-wield them for great justice.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 31, 2011, 10:05:04 pm
Post by: Niveras on July 31, 2011, 10:29:34 pm
Afterward level 6 I only accept dying in arena/party quests, where there's no penalty other than tired status.I'm actually pretty sure your stats drop. Even on quests.
I know I've certainly seen stats decay when uniques and whatnot kill me during performance quests. I don't think I've seen it happen when doing hunting or escort quests, though. I certainly could be wrong, I very rarely take hunting quests (only when they are one or two stars, for easy platinum) and escorts quests even less (only 'save my father!' which don't involve fighting).
Post by: Virroken on July 31, 2011, 11:30:27 pm
Discovered that 4-dimensional pocket can actually store multiple copies of the game's artifacts (2 Ether Daggers).
I've yet to try though, if I can get any of those stuff, without morphing, and dual-wield them for great justice.
Anywhere not-in-your-inventory works.
Post by: penguinofhonor on July 31, 2011, 11:43:35 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 01, 2011, 12:30:32 am
Hey, is it true what the tutorial says about etherwind and pregnancies or is there no way to check?
Post by: kcwong on August 01, 2011, 12:58:03 am
Like breeding a race of atomic supermen?
Hey, is it true what the tutorial says about etherwind and pregnancies or is there no way to check?
If you get pregnant you will have the pregnant status. If it's your pets or NPCs you need to spot the message, which can be hard if you have quickling/bell pets as their high speed spam the message log.
What did the tutorial say about Etherwind? In any case you already have the disease, and it will slowly get worse over time. If you use ether weapons, encounter ether monsters (e.g. shining hedgehog) or get caught in etherwind, you will get the next symptom much sooner. Etherwind comes in months divisible by 3, randomly start on a day between 1st to 10th, and last for several days. It's easily avoidable, so it's your fault if you get caught in one.
I usually stay at home when the time comes. Fishing/Mining/Performance are nice skills to have when waiting for etherwind to start. Once it has started you can read a skill book in a shelter.
Post by: Farce on August 01, 2011, 02:57:59 am
(seriously, I think the last two treasure maps I got didn't even have artifacts - or if they did, they were cursed and stat-draining)
Post by: Trapezohedron on August 01, 2011, 03:17:58 am
Post by: kcwong on August 01, 2011, 04:05:53 am
I have a prostitute farm. It's funny, since they just copulate each and every time I go there. And yes, if you have a method of domination, or a monster ball, it's possible to tame a prostitute.
... strange. Do they always give birth to young prostitutes? I'd expect something else...
Post by: KaguroDraven on August 01, 2011, 04:42:12 am
Is there a reason I keep seeing a death message I typed once?Do NPC's respawn?Yeah. I don't now how quickly.
I think someone who gives a certain qust was just assassined...
Pretty fast though, I know I killed that girl who follows you in Yowyn every time. So in 1-3 days.
I tried to type 'how lame' it came how 'how llama' now I can't stop seeing it when I play in the little message box.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on August 01, 2011, 05:39:12 am
Post by: KaguroDraven on August 01, 2011, 05:53:08 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on August 01, 2011, 06:02:44 am
I have a prostitute farm. It's funny, since they just copulate each and every time I go there. And yes, if you have a method of domination, or a monster ball, it's possible to tame a prostitute.
... strange. Do they always give birth to young prostitutes? I'd expect something else...
Well, they have a very high chance of giving birth to more prostitutes, and so far, I have gotten a few nurses and a single punk.
There's one thing to know though, the whole place will be littered with insane people, and a tame prostitute still has it's services available.
Post by: Singularity125 on August 01, 2011, 07:19:08 am
Afterward level 6 I only accept dying in arena/party quests, where there's no penalty other than tired status.I'm actually pretty sure your stats drop. Even on quests.
I know I've certainly seen stats decay when uniques and whatnot kill me during performance quests. I don't think I've seen it happen when doing hunting or escort quests, though. I certainly could be wrong, I very rarely take hunting quests (only when they are one or two stars, for easy platinum) and escorts quests even less (only 'save my father!' which don't involve fighting).
In the latest beta (which you're using if you're using my bugfixes), your Will and Charm drop when you die during a quest with its own map (hunting, performance, and maybe farming, too). Failing those quests by other means has no stat penalty. (For gathering and party times, obviously just neglect your job. For hunting, you can walk off the edge and choose to abandon the quest.)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 01, 2011, 10:20:06 am
I need a better weapon. I forgot my proficiency was swords and ditched the only good claymore I had for something else...
Ehh, least I finally got Swarm.
Post by: kcwong on August 01, 2011, 10:40:43 am
It may not have been the tutorial. Probably just story, but I don't know.
I need a better weapon. I forgot my proficiency was swords and ditched the only good claymore I had for something else...
Ehh, least I finally got Swarm.
You won't be able to use it many times in a row until you get a weapon that leeches stamina, which is quite rare. The "easiest" one to get is Lucky Dagger, by worshiping the Luck God. Which requires you to learn fishing and buy baits.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 01, 2011, 10:58:38 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on August 02, 2011, 07:07:36 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 02, 2011, 08:24:50 am
Post by: Singularity125 on August 02, 2011, 10:27:18 am
Such a thing requires a ton of grinding though
Indeed. Of several kinds. ;)
...sorry, couldn't resist. :D
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 02, 2011, 10:43:55 am
It's a little annoying.
Oh, and my save file dissapeared. Ehh.
Oh, and I'd been avoiding hunting quests like the plague because the first one I took was high level, and I thought they'd all be like that. *facepalm*
Post by: Farce on August 02, 2011, 02:54:25 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 06:40:02 am
I wish there were some way to store monies for later on when i'm level 6 again.
Oh, and y'know what's funny?
I was happily doing hunting quests at a low level, and a little girl eviscerates me. It was adorable!
Post by: kcwong on August 03, 2011, 08:04:14 am
I wish there were some way to store monies for later on when i'm level 6 again.
Go slaughter beggars in party quests! They drop gold, and if you keep doing it you will eventually find Dirty Pendant.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 08:39:17 am
Post by: em312s0n on August 03, 2011, 08:41:26 am
Won't that make me a criminal?there are no penalties when killing people at parties oddly enough
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 09:02:25 am
Post by: Vibhor on August 03, 2011, 09:20:56 am
And how powerful are beggars?
Not very. Also, always kill bards if you are powerful enough.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 09:27:20 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on August 03, 2011, 09:32:25 am
Post by: kcwong on August 03, 2011, 10:44:07 am
(http://i.imgur.com/CMSq3.png)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 11:41:23 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on August 03, 2011, 11:48:35 am
But remember, the machines are quite expensive, and heavy. You should buy it after you gain a few stat points in strength and a bit in weight-lifting.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 12:08:41 pm
Post by: Tarran on August 03, 2011, 09:19:55 pm
90% true according to the wiki.Won't that make me a criminal?there are no penalties when killing people at parties oddly enough
Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Party_Time!
Surprisingly, killing certain people doesn't incur karma loss unlike when in town. This is a much more reliable way to collect certain unique character's figures for your museum than waiting for assassination events. It is also a good way to obtain artifacts such as The Begger's Pendant and The Shena's Panty if you're strong enough to defeat the NPC.
Do note, however, that killing tourists or noble childs will still incur a -10 penalty (probably due to the fact that they always drop numerous raw ores).
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 10:07:56 pm
Can chips be found only in certain material spots?
Post by: kcwong on August 03, 2011, 10:15:33 pm
Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Party_Time!Do note, however, that killing tourists or noble childs will still incur a -10 penalty (probably due to the fact that they always drop numerous raw ores).
Town children, citizens and old people are all fair game though. Kill cyberdome citizens if you are looking for guns to sacrifice to the Machine God. After you get a bit stronger you can hunt Mia; Farmers, miners, punks and mercenaries next. Then try Raphael the womanizer, Gwen and Lomias. Then that guy in Yowyn with the crusader helmet.
Sometimes their appearance can be deceiving. Always use * to check who they are and what level they are before attacking.
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Can chips be found only in certain material spots?
Before the long break I tried to record what materials can be found in which spots... no conclusive results, as some spots depend heavily on your skills. But you can find casino chips in the the most common material spots.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 03, 2011, 10:20:53 pm
I just won a party quest for the first time ( just trying to lower fame, I can't think of a goal atm) , and all I did was murder 2 beggars and 2 old people.
Free coin!
Edit: Does 'Pregnant' stack? As in, if you got drank two parasites in two turns, would they spurt within two turns, or is there variation? Between disease and doomy boots, it's hard to get to poison fast enough...
Post by: Singularity125 on August 04, 2011, 05:35:28 pm
Inferior materializing it might actually lessen it's value, so avoid that, and likewise, avoid using change materials and superior materials on it.
Actually, that's among the list of bugs that I should have fixed with my patch. I didn't test that one in particular, so if someone enterprising wants to test for me, I'd appreciate it. Also, I had no clue coffins were worth so much house rank. o.o
@Wolf Tengu: How'd you win a party time quest without performing any? Or if you did perform, you didn't mention it. I want platinum coins for murdering innocent civilians! xD
Hm, I believe I'll do some livestreaming of Elona if someone's interested. Been ages since I streamed anything, and I'm bored. It's at http://www.livestream.com/Singularity125
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 04, 2011, 06:49:53 pm
Trying to get anti disease potions so I can carry things again.
Edit: I finally got one, didn't bother to ID it. It was cursed, now i'm even more diseased.
Extra points for having 12 scrolls of uncurse on me at the time. Yay!
Post by: Singularity125 on August 05, 2011, 09:26:45 am
The RNG loved being put on display last night. At one point I ran through a dungeon and got 2 cure corruption potions: 1 from the chest at the end, and one from a random drop. At another point I was in Noyel, and somebody in there has an attracts monsters item. So there were random monsters and loot piles all over the place. It wasn't without risk, I did almost die a couple different times. But I happened to pick up an unknown potion and IDed it as a Blessed potion of Descent. :D I know people tend to like unblessed ones better, but at my low level I'd like to have some feats. So I glugged it down. Then I freed Ebon for the lulz and in the ensuing chaos I found a Miracle quality grenade. The bonuses weren't all that spectacular but it does do a bit of nerve damage. Much more fun than the coral shuriken I found before.
Anyways, enough rambling. I looked through the source last night out of curiosity, and found to my dismay that Learning actually has no effect on skill gain rates. Maybe it would be overpowered, but the wiki insisted there was an effect. :( I'm thinking of doing a "Balance Patch" at some point. As is, it looks like Learning only affects bonus points on level up and MP (1 MP per 3 points of Learning).
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 05, 2011, 10:26:08 am
I did the 1st bit of the main quest, and ended up getting 3. All my diseases but the strength one went away. Better than nothing.
Saving up for a museum deed. I'm starting to repeatedly kill some npc's for staches.
Edit: Sorry to post on a dead topic, but an unseen hand just assasinated that 'Whom dwell om Vanity'
So I looted the body.
Doesn't this sword cause things to happen if I use it, or is it just if the NPC used it?
I'm tempted to just to see what goes on. If the sword does do stuffs, should I use it for the lulz, so to speak?
And if it doesn't, hey, free sword.
Post by: Matz05 on August 22, 2011, 12:08:04 pm
Post by: Farce on August 22, 2011, 08:35:44 pm
Basically, it has a chance to set the map on fire (burning all the loot!), and summons a crapton of high-level dragons, who are hostile. Possibly heavy etherwind, too? Either way, don't swing it around in any place you ever want to visit again, like your house or a town!
I presume you could maybe try it out inconsequentially at the edge of a wilderness map or in the puppy dungeon, though I don't know if the dragons get a turn before or after yours. You might catch a bad case of dead if it's the former, in which case you might drop sweet equipment forever.
Wiki page (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ragnarok)
Post by: namad on August 22, 2011, 08:45:11 pm
Inferior materializing it might actually lessen it's value, so avoid that, and likewise, avoid using change materials and superior materials on it.
Actually, that's among the list of bugs that I should have fixed with my patch. I didn't test that one in particular, so if someone enterprising wants to test for me, I'd appreciate it. Also, I had no clue coffins were worth so much house rank. o.o
@Wolf Tengu: How'd you win a party time quest without performing any? Or if you did perform, you didn't mention it. I want platinum coins for murdering innocent civilians! xD
Hm, I believe I'll do some livestreaming of Elona if someone's interested. Been ages since I streamed anything, and I'm bored. It's at http://www.livestream.com/Singularity125
what patch? aren't 1.16xmas and 1.22beta the latest stable and unstable releases? or are there community fanpatches? wheres the download site for those?
Post by: Singularity125 on August 23, 2011, 11:31:57 am
what patch? aren't 1.16xmas and 1.22beta the latest stable and unstable releases? or are there community fanpatches? wheres the download site for those?
On the Elona forums, there's a long discussion about a possible java port of Elona. Somewhere in that thread people had posted bugfixes to be inserted into the original source code. Since I'd requested access to the code for my own interests, I took the time to incorporate the fixes into a patch. You can find it here: http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&start=150#p29258 (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&start=150#p29258)
It stirred up a surprising amount of excitement over there, honestly. All I did was follow directions. :P
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 26, 2011, 07:35:06 pm
I love the Alien reference this game has, a game developer with good taste.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 27, 2011, 10:25:42 am
Post by: Zangi on September 27, 2011, 10:31:48 am
There is also pickpocketing and alcohol...
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 27, 2011, 11:20:42 am
She will give you the money if you serenade her with your musical instrument. You are a bard right? Just do it somewhere private if your skill is still low.
There is also pickpocketing and alcohol...
Unfortunately, the game does not allow you to pilfer your ally's gold or woo them to bed. You can only do that when your ally is an adventurer that's currently out of contract. Of course, the above rules stilk apply, so once you recruit them, you'll have to wait until their contract's off to take back your gold.
Of course, there are much better things to steal from adventurers, like potions of cure disease and given engagement gear...
Post by: jaxy15 on September 27, 2011, 01:02:49 pm
After making a new character, the very first thing I got from a well was a wish. I wished for the seven league boots.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 27, 2011, 01:09:01 pm
PffhahaIs your name Urist something?
After making a new character, the very first thing I got from a well was a wish. I wished for the seven league boots.
Post by: jaxy15 on September 27, 2011, 01:17:39 pm
What level of performer do you think is required to play for the shopkeepers in Vernis?Yes.PffhahaIs your name Urist something?
After making a new character, the very first thing I got from a well was a wish. I wished for the seven league boots.
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 27, 2011, 01:21:17 pm
What level of performer do you think is required to play for the shopkeepers in Vernis?
IIRC, somewhere in the 8 - 15 range. However, avoid the guards, shopkeepers, and Loyter if you're underleveled. Especially Loyter.
Spoiler: Advanced Spoilers (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 27, 2011, 06:21:07 pm
Post by: Leatra on September 27, 2011, 06:38:51 pm
What level of performer do you think is required to play for the shopkeepers in Vernis?
IIRC, somewhere in the 8 - 15 range. However, avoid the guards, shopkeepers, and Loyter if you're underleveled. Especially Loyter.Spoiler: Advanced Spoilers (click to show/hide)
http://images.wikia.com/elona/images/8/89/ElonaWorldMap.jpg
Go to the sister's mansion (upper left corner) Attack the shopkeeper in the building. It will spawn NPCs. Play to them. You can level up your performer skill pretty fast this way.
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 27, 2011, 06:53:29 pm
What's the name of the music played during the intro in the sounds folder? I'm kind of doing something right now so I can't find it myself.
It's orc01, but I might have been too late and you've figured that out already.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 27, 2011, 07:12:12 pm
Nah, the music that plays after you create your character and it tells you the story of how you got there and stuff.What's the name of the music played during the intro in the sounds folder? I'm kind of doing something right now so I can't find it myself.
It's orc01, but I might have been too late and you've figured that out already.
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 27, 2011, 07:19:01 pm
Nah, the music that plays after you create your character and it tells you the story of how you got there and stuff.What's the name of the music played during the intro in the sounds folder? I'm kind of doing something right now so I can't find it myself.
It's orc01, but I might have been too late and you've figured that out already.
The music that plays during that story thingie after character creation, but before the actual game is field_1d.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 27, 2011, 07:25:46 pm
Alright, thanks.Nah, the music that plays after you create your character and it tells you the story of how you got there and stuff.What's the name of the music played during the intro in the sounds folder? I'm kind of doing something right now so I can't find it myself.
It's orc01, but I might have been too late and you've figured that out already.
The music that plays during that story thingie after character creation, but before the actual game is field_1d.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on September 27, 2011, 10:48:52 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on September 28, 2011, 01:31:26 am
/me gets her angle grinder.
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 28, 2011, 02:06:28 am
DDD:
Post by: jaxy15 on September 28, 2011, 06:16:36 am
/me gets her angle grinder...You're a girl?!
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on September 28, 2011, 06:17:03 am
Yes, yes I am.
Post by: Tarran on September 28, 2011, 06:23:24 am
Post by: Ivefan on September 28, 2011, 06:30:08 am
It's on her profile. It's not like she's hiding it.People read those?
Post by: Max White on September 28, 2011, 07:10:24 am
..You're a girl?!I'm pretty sure they both are.
Post by: jaxy15 on September 28, 2011, 07:25:28 am
I met another female NPC who gave me one of those "girl friend escort" quests. So in order to test if she may be bi, I gave her crim ale. Then you probably know what I did next.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on September 28, 2011, 07:49:09 am
I'd like to point out that Yumi only used my account for a short while when I was preoccupied with life...You're a girl?!I'm pretty sure they both are.
Post by: Leatra on September 28, 2011, 08:39:26 am
The life of a Pianist is easy once you start raking in the dosh from performing. I'm being guarded by a little girl with mediumish-low equipment, 2 Yerles Machine Infantry and 2 Warriors of Elea. fun times, I just sit back and shoot my pistol while they kill most everything for me.A suggestion: Get a rod of domination. Find a Gold bell or Silver bell (silver is better) and use the rod on it. It will make the bell your pet. Give a ranged weapon and ammo to your new pet and watch as it fires 6 shots per turn. That's how I became 1st on the rankings of pet arena.
Did anyone actually managed to play this game without savescumming once? It's very tempting.
Post by: Tarran on September 28, 2011, 12:25:59 pm
I do a lot (mainly for seeing if they've posted on the forums recently [likely they're a player of my game], not in a pervert/stalker way). And people should too before asking directly on the forum. After all, there's a chance that said persons already listed X on their profile.It's on her profile. It's not like she's hiding it.People read those?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on September 29, 2011, 11:47:47 am
I think I was forcefeeding my golden knight love potions so I can gen a new character...
hee hee.
Post by: kcwong on September 29, 2011, 09:22:36 pm
A suggestion: Get a rod of domination. Find a Gold bell or Silver bell (silver is better) and use the rod on it. It will make the bell your pet. Give a ranged weapon and ammo to your new pet and watch as it fires 6 shots per turn. That's how I became 1st on the rankings of pet arena.
You better have a decent level in Magic Device first though. Otherwise you will fail to use the rod and waste a charge. Higher level creatures (bells are very low level) may also resist the domination attempt, if your skill is too low.
Did anyone actually managed to play this game without savescumming once? It's very tempting.
Long ago I created an AutoHotKey script for that, backing up saves with date and description. But now I only use it to prevent data loss in case of a crash (which has never happened in X'mas edition), because now I have a much better sense about how difficult a certain situation is. If I die, I will accept it, and recover lost precious items with the little sister quest.
Post by: joemoben on September 29, 2011, 10:28:52 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 29, 2011, 11:02:58 pm
Pretty funny when she dies to something stupid too.
Post by: kcwong on September 30, 2011, 02:17:45 am
My maid gave me "Lovely Daybreak Hideout" when I ask her to name my small castle. Later on I met a NPC adventurer with a white cloak named "Loved Daybreak". The stats aren't very good but I knew I must trade for it.
Post by: hachnslay on September 30, 2011, 03:14:22 am
Post by: Blaze on September 30, 2011, 03:37:11 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
what version are you guys playing?Version 1.22+bugfixes that was posted earlier.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on September 30, 2011, 08:18:22 am
I think i'm playing the christmas version now. I wanted a sandbag after mine disappeared.
I'll probably go back to the other one now.
Post by: Blaze on September 30, 2011, 08:24:14 am
What the player-bugfix patch does (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&start=30#p28019)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on September 30, 2011, 08:34:31 am
P.S I just figured out your avatar Blaze. Hee hee.
Post by: Blaze on September 30, 2011, 08:49:52 am
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P.S I just figured out your avatar Blaze. Hee hee.There was something to figure out?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on September 30, 2011, 10:23:12 am
Thanks for the link to the patch. I was looking for it, but I had a copy of .22
Post by: kcwong on October 01, 2011, 07:59:12 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 01, 2011, 08:31:34 am
Pretty sure it's just redundant redundancy.
Post by: Leatra on October 01, 2011, 03:54:46 pm
Check this out for other equipment attributes: elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment_attributes
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 01, 2011, 04:20:55 pm
Rawr!
Post by: Leatra on October 01, 2011, 09:36:02 pm
I have no need for attributes! I merely use a sword with high numbers to smash things!
Rawr!
Yup. Who needs attributes if your weapon is made of diamond :D
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 02, 2011, 07:09:16 am
Downloading it again because things wouldn't load from the desktop so I did a system restore...without backing anything up. I do believe i'm completely mad.
Post by: hachnslay on October 02, 2011, 02:23:57 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 02, 2011, 02:34:10 pm
Next you'll be telling me to carry a lantern everywhere...
I sword is more easy to find. Sometimes they're delicious and edible, but then you have to worry about the crabs returning.
Post by: Leatra on October 02, 2011, 06:54:17 pm
Well, i've never seen a diamond one. I used a bunch of blessed material scrolls though on my old file. I made sure to get a large stack before I used a water, as water can be fairly annoying to find.
Downloading it again because things wouldn't load from the desktop so I did a system restore...without backing anything up. I do believe i'm completely mad.
Invest in magic shops until you see some superior material scrolls. All of my armors are made of rubynus and all of my weapons are made of diamond ;D
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 02, 2011, 09:12:41 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 02, 2011, 09:24:11 pm
Noob question: how do you even get enough money to be able to mass invest?Performer.
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If you have access to a house of any kind and a reliable source of a return spell, trading can make loads. Though you'll need enough money to get the gravy train started. Place your home next to Port Kapul and head to Noyel. Buy the trade goods in Noyel, cast return and head to Port Kapul to sell goods for maximum profit. The shops refresh every 3-5 days, and you can easily make several thousand with every trip, since you can ignore the speed loss from carrying too many trade goods. Trade shops are exempt from the shopkeeper cash limit too.
Post by: Patchy on October 02, 2011, 11:15:19 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 03, 2011, 08:04:19 am
Not being a class based around performing, i'd likely be stoned to death, and I probably wouldn't survive a trip past the snowfields at this level...
Post by: FunctionZero on October 03, 2011, 08:07:54 am
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 03, 2011, 08:09:41 am
Also, what FunctionZero said.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 03, 2011, 08:18:04 am
Edit:Ok, I'd had to re-restrart my compy with zero backup to kill the bugs.
My new character generated some awesome names. I should've been Win Swordman!
Or maybe Weeping Retard. Does that make me a bad person?
Post by: Tarran on October 03, 2011, 11:36:32 pm
Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/The_mansion_of_younger_sister
The younger sister can summon other younger sisters when it attacks something, so inducing this by monster summoning or antagonizing her yourself and returning will summon a large number of level 1 NPCs to perform for.
It works very well, believe me. You can level decently fast, get a bit of nice stuff, and with the cooking skill you can stay there indefinitely! All without ANY risk of dying to rocks (at least, from my experience)!
Post by: kcwong on October 04, 2011, 12:06:16 am
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2011, 12:10:21 am
Post by: kcwong on October 04, 2011, 04:46:57 am
My current character started training performing late - was around level 25 when I started. I remembered the thing about little sisters, so I went there and triggered the summoning.
I went outside to play, but got interrupted by snowballs too often. So I went back inside, and I got stopped by a stone (not killed though, thanks to all the HP I got). Since then I always confirm where the vendor is before playing.
Is there anything special about this little sister vendor? AFAIK NPC reaction to your performing is based on their character level.
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2011, 05:34:31 am
And this was around less than level 12 preforming.
I'm playing 1.22 with the community fix if that means anything.
Post by: kcwong on October 04, 2011, 08:27:37 am
Post by: Patchy on October 04, 2011, 06:35:50 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 04, 2011, 07:02:25 pm
Noob question: how do you even get enough money to be able to mass invest?Sell your body. Prostution is the best way to earn money in my opinion. I make around 100k in less then 5 minutes. You will get a lot of STD though. Drink blessed healing potions and you will be fine. Your charisma will increase too. I have 43 charisma (excluding equipment bonuses, mutations and such)
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2011, 09:15:28 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 04, 2011, 09:37:33 pm
Post by: Tarran on October 04, 2011, 09:38:39 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 04, 2011, 09:39:27 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 04, 2011, 09:45:41 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 04, 2011, 09:47:01 pm
Press shift+G to give a NPC an item. No need to throw alcohol at them.
Also I suggest you to find a trader who has got a lot of money so you'll get GP for prostution. I usually go to my highest ranked shopkeeper. He usually has around 200k and I simply have sex until he hits 0 GP :D
Edit: More info about "secret treause of the wicked": http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Secret_Treasure_of_the_Wicked
Post by: kcwong on October 05, 2011, 05:19:37 am
Post by: Lord Dullard on October 05, 2011, 06:33:02 am
...jeez, what a f***ed up game. Which is not to say that I haven't had a lot of fun playing it.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 05, 2011, 09:33:02 am
Now to get the patch to work so's I can see the casino screen!
Post by: PrimusRibbus on October 05, 2011, 06:15:10 pm
Hey, this version has a new place down south. Methinks it's interesting and could be expanded upon well.
Now to get the patch to work so's I can see the casino screen!
Which version do you mean? Seems like there's a million different versions of Elona, and you never know which version someone is talking about.
I really wish there was an Elona website that had downloads for all the versions and was updated. The Elona Wiki has changelogs for some of the versions, but no download links.
Post by: Frostbite on October 05, 2011, 06:41:15 pm
any idea how to fix it
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 06, 2011, 01:34:12 am
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.htmlHey, this version has a new place down south. Methinks it's interesting and could be expanded upon well.
Now to get the patch to work so's I can see the casino screen!
Which version do you mean? Seems like there's a million different versions of Elona, and you never know which version someone is talking about.
I really wish there was an Elona website that had downloads for all the versions and was updated. The Elona Wiki has changelogs for some of the versions, but no download links.
This site has all the available versions, and considering Noa dropped the project, you're not going to get any updates from it.
The version in question is the latest beta, which has South Tyris, but it's all out of depth monsters and there's no actual stuff.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 06, 2011, 12:35:51 pm
I've managed to luck out wuth the casino, I've two potiond. I think I'll drpo them back at home for safekeeping.#
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 06, 2011, 12:39:28 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 06, 2011, 12:40:46 pm
I wonder if I could take a hobo in a fight. I need gold...
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 06, 2011, 12:43:56 pm
/me wants to crush your dreams.
(I kid, I kid)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 06, 2011, 12:49:23 pm
You are now dead...inside.
Post by: kcwong on October 06, 2011, 08:28:33 pm
Yet.
I've managed to luck out wuth the casino, I've two potiond. I think I'll drpo them back at home for safekeeping.#
My character carries a huge amount of fire/cold blankets to train weight lifting. As a side effect my potions and scrolls are safe even facing a roomful of fire/cold hounds.
Does anyone know about the details of the Fill Charge active skill (you get it by having enough Magic Device)? From my experience it seems to work much better if the item recharged is blessed and you have a lot of stamina left. I seem to get more charges as a result and the item is far less likely to explode.
Also blessed blankets are awesome. They just keep going even with 0 charges, so there is no need to recharge them and risk getting an explosion.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 06, 2011, 09:18:38 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 06, 2011, 09:43:44 pm
What class would be best for a beginner/newbie warrior? Even though I've played the game for a long time, I still suck.If this is your first time, I highly recommend a Golem Warrior. Plenty of strength/constitution, weight lifting, high HP, and poison/dim resistance. You'll run into problems as you progress far enough though, due to their low speed and slow skill growth.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 07, 2011, 08:06:27 am
And by safekeeping I mean in case of death. I'm guessing I'll die a lot.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 08, 2011, 12:37:31 pm
WHAT DO I WISH FOR
I'm thinking a castle, a cloak of Vindale, or 7-league boots. Or maybe a kitty bank because I can never find those anywhere.
In other news, how do you steal stuff off the ground?
Post by: hachnslay on October 08, 2011, 12:43:51 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 08, 2011, 12:56:49 pm
Post by: hachnslay on October 08, 2011, 01:10:56 pm
Also, what are ores (like rubynus, mika, etc) for? Can you make stuff with them?
you can sell them yourself - which is bad - or give them to your pets. in town they then randomly sell them to the merchant. they visit trainers with the money and increase their skills. or you can serenade them and take all their money .... if you are a performer with decent stats.
Post by: kcwong on October 08, 2011, 05:48:57 pm
If you want more ores, you can learn the Mining skill. Then mine the walls in town, or the blocks in "Hunting"/"Panic" quests. Besides the stat potential, you'd sometimes find some loose change or ores.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on October 08, 2011, 09:57:52 pm
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.htmlHey, this version has a new place down south. Methinks it's interesting and could be expanded upon well.
Now to get the patch to work so's I can see the casino screen!
Which version do you mean? Seems like there's a million different versions of Elona, and you never know which version someone is talking about.
I really wish there was an Elona website that had downloads for all the versions and was updated. The Elona Wiki has changelogs for some of the versions, but no download links.
This site has all the available versions, and considering Noa dropped the project, you're not going to get any updates from it.
The version in question is the latest beta, which has South Tyris, but it's all out of depth monsters and there's no actual stuff.
I should've been more specific. I meant keeping track of the millions of fan patches, mods, and unofficial versions. The japanese Elona modding scene is very active and I've played a couple of very different fan patches. Depending on the forum you're on, "latest version" could mean 1.16stable, Christmas, 1.22beta, 1.22 fanpatched, 1.16 monster mod, 1.22 South Tyris Expansion, or a number of other things.
The big problem with navigating Japenese Elona sites, and the eng Elona forums is that it's sometimes hard to find mods and patches that you ran across a year or two back. I've been looking everywhere for the Japanese fanpatch that added a ton of stuff to the empty South Tyris, which is why I asked what the version in question was.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 09, 2011, 01:58:25 pm
On the scale of bad classes to good classes, where do Claymores stand?
Post by: PrimusRibbus on October 09, 2011, 02:28:35 pm
Hmm.
On the scale of bad classes to good classes, where do Claymores stand?
Claymores are the best overall class in the game, in my book (although Wizards are better in the endgame). I particularly like Fairy (harder to play, but the high speed is great) and Juere (for the high stats and Throwing).
Juere Claymore is honestly the only race/class combo that I ever found to be too easy in Elona. Once you get a decent claymore, start worshipping Lulwy, and get a Silver Bell, you have enough momentum to plow through the game with few challenges.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 09, 2011, 02:34:15 pm
That's just bad in the other direction.
Post by: Bouchart on October 09, 2011, 02:44:33 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 09, 2011, 07:19:57 pm
Classes don't matter as much as you'd think, since you can eventually learn every skill. Race is far more important.So true. You can learn every skill and improve every skill. I think races aren't much important too. But if you take an extreme race like mutant or fairy, that will obviously change the way you play this game. After sometime everybody gets bored of their character. That's why I always pick a race/class that can do everything. Specializing in one particular class (like performing, warrior skills, gardening) will get boring eventually.
Post by: beorn080 on October 09, 2011, 07:31:55 pm
Post by: Patchy on October 09, 2011, 09:23:34 pm
A couple of my previous chars were a goblin farmer, fairy pianist and claymore, mutant and dwarf warrior, and a juere thief.
Post by: Max White on October 09, 2011, 10:32:52 pm
SOO MANY FOLLOWERS!!!
Post by: Bouchart on October 09, 2011, 10:35:23 pm
I tried a golem once but the speed penalty is god awful.
Post by: Silleh Boy on October 10, 2011, 10:03:46 am
I tried a golem once but the speed penalty is god awful.
That's why you get the riding skill.
40 riding and a gene spliced T-rex and you'll be a god amongst men, as that's the riding skill you need to ride a 'rex at its natural speed - you act at the speed you're riding at, instead of your own.
This means gear like the... steel dragon ring, I believe, that has a large speed penalty, does nothing to your movement speed.
It also stops tiredness and exaustion from impacting your movement speed, too, if I recall correctly.
Now I'm tempted to load my Pianist up and terrorise the world, as I stopped playing after they beat this.
Post by: kcwong on October 10, 2011, 11:59:52 am
The only drawback is you cannot simply walk onto fountains; your mount would drink from it first and there's nothing you can do to stop it, so better make sure your mount has an anti-alien item. For food you can drop something, move away then back.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 10, 2011, 06:34:31 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 11, 2011, 12:12:02 pm
Dual wield, two hand, or shield?
Post by: Darvi on October 11, 2011, 12:15:11 pm
A Real Roleplayer would carry a shield, for protecting his allies.
A Loon would dual wield. Namely, a pair of rubber ducks or something of similar ridiculousness.
A Munchkin *drumroll* picks whatever gives the most boni.
Post by: Leatra on October 11, 2011, 12:37:11 pm
A Real Man would choose two-handed, all the better for hitting stuff.Nice :D
A Real Roleplayer would carry a shield, for protecting his allies.
A Loon would dual wield. Namely, a pair of rubber ducks or something of similar ridiculousness.
A Munchkin *drumroll* picks whatever gives the most boni.
All my previous characters were fightining two handed style but that means leaving a body slot empty. And leaving a body slot empty virtually means having your body slot number reduced by one. I would rather use a godly or miracle shield/second weapon for equipment attributes.
What do you think? Wouldn't it be better to go shield/dual wield and get the equipment attributes from your shield/second weapon? I think I'll go with dual wielding because I'm more of a "less defense more attack" type.
Post by: Tarran on October 11, 2011, 03:12:19 pm
If you plan to do magic:
As a defensive character: DEFINITELY shields, they seem to be the only kinds of armor that are generated with "It sometimes nullifies damage you take" or "It decreases physical damage you take" attributes with artifacts in my experience. And though I can't remember exactly how powerful those attributes are, I'd imagine them being pretty damn powerful.
As an attacking character: If you plan on wielding a single powerful weapon, two-handed. If you plan on wielding two lower-damage weapons, dual wielding.
I, as warmage, picked two-handed to help my magic in the rare chance I actually cast it.
Post by: Leatra on October 11, 2011, 03:24:42 pm
Attacking character
Attribute bonus coming from the off hand weapon
Dual wield it is!
Post by: Seriyu on October 11, 2011, 03:33:15 pm
I thought it did but I think a lot of things.
Post by: Tarran on October 11, 2011, 03:36:20 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 11, 2011, 03:52:50 pm
Oh. Oh, yes, it does apparently (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells). Whoops, I should've read the page before answering Leatra's question.It's okay :D
I guess I should stop trying to create a warlock.
Post by: Seriyu on October 11, 2011, 04:30:24 pm
Not that magic is terribly useful, although I like magic dart for hitting stuff that's running away.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on October 11, 2011, 05:41:37 pm
Hooray, I remembered a thing.
Not that magic is terribly useful, although I like magic dart for hitting stuff that's running away.
Magicusers are mindnumbingly frustrating in the early and mid game. However, they are amazing in the late game.
The turning point is having the stats necessary to take advantage of the flood of good spellbooks in higher level dungeons.
Post by: Leatra on October 11, 2011, 05:47:28 pm
Post by: Patchy on October 11, 2011, 06:32:15 pm
Train your curses, they can be very handy. Like nixing their resistances, and the higher lvl mobs need their resistances nixed unless you want to spam magic dart till you're sick of it. Slowing them down so you take an extra turn or 2 over them, combine that with speed spell for even more turn advantage.
Always stock short teleport and teleport, they're life savers. And use the short tele to move out of melee range, it usually puts you down still in visual range, but a bit far for their melee. Also dark eye is a mages best friend when fighting other ranged stuff, blind sucks just as bad for the npcs as it does for you. Silence too works good for the casters if you can't get dark eye to blind for some reason.
And if you do decide to be a caster, the mages guild is pretty much a requirement. The bookwriter in there makes the mages life so much more bearable.
I can say I'm having the most fun with my wizzy right now, vs the other chars I made in the past.
Edit: Breaking the post up so it's a bit easier to read.
Post by: Blaze on October 11, 2011, 06:38:27 pm
Post by: joemoben on October 11, 2011, 07:55:08 pm
EDIT: Just got my first ever wish too :o YAY!
Post by: kcwong on October 11, 2011, 08:14:33 pm
Oh. Oh, yes, it does apparently (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells). Whoops, I should've read the page before answering Leatra's question.
But if you dual-wield light staves that improve your casting [#####+] skill among other bonus...
Post by: Ogdibus on October 11, 2011, 09:45:13 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 11, 2011, 10:06:56 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 11, 2011, 10:37:19 pm
Post by: LordBucket on October 11, 2011, 10:42:24 pm
Magicusers
they are amazing in the late game.
...are they? How late? Like, already beat the game and ground out another 100 hours worth of skill late?
Because even with super high casting skill, I don't see how magic competes with the damage melee/ranged get with all the various damage increase skills.
Post by: Bouchart on October 11, 2011, 10:43:17 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 08:02:46 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 12, 2011, 08:03:28 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 08:08:23 am
I found a happy bed and a rope thingie soon after on my old file though.
Post by: beorn080 on October 12, 2011, 08:12:53 am
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 08:16:54 am
Seven League Boots is always my first wish, after that it's usually just whatever I feel I need at the time.Well, speed is king in Elona. My previous character had like 140 speed (not a Fairy or a Golem)
+10 speed is cool but I'm unsure about this "It improves travel progress" thing. Does it make a big difference?
I had around 10 potions of cure corruption so I never wished for vindale cloak. Best way to get a potion of cure corruptio is to play blackjack.
I don't want to wish for an aurora ring because whenever there is a bad weather, I just use the shelter to steal a bunch of skill books and sell them.
Post by: Blaze on October 12, 2011, 08:21:27 am
Post by: beorn080 on October 12, 2011, 08:23:57 am
The difference in walking about is MASSIVE, assuming you do timed deliveries or escorts. It's what makes Before its too late missions to Noyel even possible.Seven League Boots is always my first wish, after that it's usually just whatever I feel I need at the time.+10 speed is cool but I'm unsure about this "It improves travel progress" thing. Does it make a big difference?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 12, 2011, 08:30:10 am
Each step on the map changes from taking 3 hours to taking 1 hour. Traveling through snow changes from I think 9 hours to 3.Seven League Boots is always my first wish, after that it's usually just whatever I feel I need at the time.Well, speed is king in Elona. My previous character had like 140 speed (not a Fairy or a Golem)
+10 speed is cool but I'm unsure about this "It improves travel progress" thing. Does it make a big difference?
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 08:47:17 am
Each step on the map changes from taking 3 hours to taking 1 hour. Traveling through snow changes from I think 9 hours to 3.Seven League Boots is always my first wish, after that it's usually just whatever I feel I need at the time.Well, speed is king in Elona. My previous character had like 140 speed (not a Fairy or a Golem)
+10 speed is cool but I'm unsure about this "It improves travel progress" thing. Does it make a big difference?
:o
I'm going to be a mutant wear multiple seven league boots at once. Thanks for the quick answers.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 08:51:11 am
I can just imagine spiders striding across the world...
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 08:54:57 am
Wait, that would work?
I can just imagine spiders striding across the world...
I think it would. Which body part you get is randomised though. Imagine wearing 3 seven league boots. Each step on the map would take 1/3 hour.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 12, 2011, 09:05:21 am
Post by: Blaze on October 12, 2011, 09:21:04 am
The speed bonus from wearing multiple SLBs does though.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 09:55:58 am
Post by: Haspen on October 12, 2011, 10:25:59 am
Elona isn't that bad for a game. ADOM was harder.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 12, 2011, 10:27:29 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 10:31:14 am
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 10:35:20 am
Elona is one of the most rediculously unpunishing Roguelikes in existence. You can't even die unless you choose to.
Do you mean the permadeath? It would ruin the fun in a game like Elona.
I once drank poisons and let my character die out of boredom :D
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 10:58:55 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 12, 2011, 11:03:55 am
Nearly every mission to noyel pays a ton of money.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 11:37:26 am
But i'm more likely to get merchanting funds before a pair of boots.
Is it unethical to savescum goodness out of fountains?
Post by: amjh on October 12, 2011, 11:53:33 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 12, 2011, 12:56:28 pm
Uh-huh.'tis a game, the aim is to have fun, if savescumming goodnes out of a fountain is fun then it's fine.
But i'm more likely to get merchanting funds before a pair of boots.
Is it unethical to savescum goodness out of fountains?
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 01:48:18 pm
Stealing skill books from shelters is a good way to go too. I managed to steal more than 20 skill books in bad weather. I don't rembember what a skill book sells for but I rembember I made a quite good amount of money.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 02:24:01 pm
I'll figure out the steal button too!
What do I do about all the infamy i'll accrue though?
Post by: alexwazer on October 12, 2011, 02:28:19 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 02:40:25 pm
Does that girl drop it, or did she only drop the treasure of the saint?
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 02:43:28 pm
*presses Shift+G*
*presses enter*
*presses Shift+R two times*
*gets 4-8k*
Repeat. This takes like 5 seconds. You can make 40k-80k in less than a minute.
Stealing brings less money but I still land a 20k-30k every heavy rain. But if you want to do it: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pickpocket
So, you pretty much have to get the secret treasure to make money. You may think these ways are better than the escort quests but the platinum coins you get that from that is invaluable.
Post by: Bouchart on October 12, 2011, 04:47:56 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 05:19:51 pm
If you get the Secret Treasure of the Saint you can pay less in tax. I prefer that one, actually, since I don't have to screw around with -80 karma forever.Tax isn't really a problem. It's very low actually. How much GP will you pay less with the saint? You can easily get 20k with the wicked by doing evil things 8) *looks for a devilish smiley* *uses the one with sunglasses instead*
Post by: Bouchart on October 12, 2011, 05:26:12 pm
Cash isn't a huge problem either, in the mid-game.
Post by: Leatra on October 12, 2011, 05:42:21 pm
I'm thinking about playing the beta version. I'm playing 1.16 now. People say it's filled with bugs. I'm not so sure.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 12, 2011, 05:45:26 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on October 12, 2011, 05:46:47 pm
Well, this is the only way for me to invest in magic shops and farm potions of potential.
I'm thinking about playing the beta version. I'm playing 1.16 now. People say it's filled with bugs. I'm not so sure.
Elona is filled with bugs and oddities no matter what! :P
Fanpatched 1.22 is as buggy or less buggy than 1.16. Only glaring issue I have is that the music starts skipping and stuttering after about 5 minutes of play, so I just turned it off.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 12, 2011, 05:47:27 pm
Everything else seems fine anyway so far though.
Post by: Bouchart on October 12, 2011, 05:57:24 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 12, 2011, 07:07:38 pm
Post by: Tarran on October 12, 2011, 10:18:19 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 12, 2011, 10:23:27 pm
Post by: kcwong on October 12, 2011, 10:32:20 pm
I lost my step and rolled up some stairs. Sure.
"Stairs" means "escalator" in Elona!
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 13, 2011, 02:00:23 am
I got one. Die to the 3 putits that Lomias summons in your cavehouse. You won't be able to go outside anymore.
Think about it. If you can't beat 3 putits, you've no hope of surviving in the world!
The bug god is protecting you from yourself.
Post by: Leatra on October 13, 2011, 06:45:24 am
I lost my step and rolled up some stairs. Sure.Yeah that's happening in 1.16 too. There are funny bugs and there are annoying bugs.
Another is the Casino screen, which is bugged to pretty much impossibility to read. Thank god the cards are unaffected.Hmmm. Casino is the main source of potions of cure corruption.
I asked a lot of questions in this thread. Thanks for the answers everybody.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 13, 2011, 06:49:30 am
Pshoom: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13554027/elona.zip
Post by: Leatra on October 13, 2011, 07:05:17 am
The casino screen is one of the bugs fixed by Singularity's patch, I linked it a few pages back I think, I'll go look.Thanks!
Pshoom: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13554027/elona.zip
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 13, 2011, 07:06:11 am
Post by: maki32 on October 13, 2011, 10:25:45 am
Post by: Leatra on October 13, 2011, 11:36:18 am
There's any tutorial for Housing? The artifacts are random too? =)Here is what you need to know about your home: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Your_Home
There are some unique items you can get from special quests, gods, wishing, etc. But mostly it's random.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 13, 2011, 12:38:52 pm
Post by: maki32 on October 13, 2011, 03:46:03 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 13, 2011, 04:01:37 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 13, 2011, 04:10:03 pm
Damn, that's some bad juju...
Post by: Leatra on October 13, 2011, 04:12:37 pm
After walking around for a while, baffled why everyone in Vernis was nowhere they should be, I realized it, the simplest answer available. Basically the whole town is cursed and people are teleporting away, and they are getting their gold stolen which I'm supposed to steal from them when I play my cheap show tunes. >:( >:( >:(Wow, that's unlucky. That happened to me in Palmia once. Not the entire town though. Innkeeper was getting randomly teleported and I was seeking him for shelter. I managed to find that idiot by developing only one syptom. Damn you etherwind!
I stole the cursed item from him and dumped it somewhere. Maybe you should nuke the Vernis. That may solve the problem :D
The game is awesome, i'm a pianist, but the audience throw me rocks! I lol'ed hard! Haha, there are unique monsters too?Be careful for the high level NPCs. They can literally kill you with a rock.
If you mean bosses by unique monsters, there are.
If you are playing for the first time I suggest you to play as a warrior. It is a very good class to learn the game. You should take a look at this giant list of tips too:http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tips
Post by: Ogdibus on October 13, 2011, 09:35:30 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 13, 2011, 10:17:27 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 13, 2011, 10:25:23 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/gWR6e.png)
Too bad it's like carrying around a boulder, 16.2s. Also, what's with the name? I've never seen that before.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 13, 2011, 10:33:44 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 13, 2011, 11:22:09 pm
Too bad it's like carrying around a boulder, 16.2s. Also, what's with the name? I've never seen that before.This is why I favor claymores over warriors, because of the "less defense, more dodging" thing. Also about the name, do you mean the <Bravery Daytime> or the crimson banded mail? The <> means it's a random artifact, which sometimes have a chance to use a nonstandard material description related to the actual material (raw/candy, crimson/rubynus).
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 13, 2011, 11:58:52 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 14, 2011, 12:04:47 am
At least, I can't. For me they just appear as "You see " on the World Map when I walk up to them. If I enter the area, it's just a regular random wilderness tile.
Post by: maki32 on October 14, 2011, 12:19:37 am
Post by: Tarran on October 14, 2011, 12:27:03 am
I do not understand what you mean by stealing people. I... do not think you can 'steal' a person.
Post by: maki32 on October 14, 2011, 12:53:46 am
I do not understand what you mean by stealing people. I... do not think you can 'steal' a person.
I mean stealing things from people =) Sorry for my english, it's little bad... Thanks for all!
Post by: beorn080 on October 14, 2011, 03:07:12 am
Post by: Leatra on October 14, 2011, 08:14:06 am
All of my armor was rubynus. I had over 150 PV at one point. You don't need to evade much with that kind of defense :DToo bad it's like carrying around a boulder, 16.2s. Also, what's with the name? I've never seen that before.This is why I favor claymores over warriors, because of the "less defense, more dodging" thing. Also about the name, do you mean the <Bravery Daytime> or the crimson banded mail? The <> means it's a random artifact, which sometimes have a chance to use a nonstandard material description related to the actual material (raw/candy, crimson/rubynus).
You can steal stuff from people by pickpocketing too. You have to buy that as a skill first and chose it from your skill list. It is a very useful skill. Most of my armors and weapons are stolen from other adventurers.I do not understand what you mean by stealing people. I... do not think you can 'steal' a person.
I mean stealing things from people =) Sorry for my english, it's little bad... Thanks for all!
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 14, 2011, 08:45:48 am
Now I just need to train myself and beat them up until I get the Stradavarius.
Post by: Singularity125 on October 14, 2011, 10:35:30 am
Last I remember, I was toying with the idea of making Learning affect skill gain in some way (right now its only perks are a fraction of MP and the bonus points when you level). Never did anything with it though. I haven't played Elona much since then, either. Then again, maybe after 200+ hours of game time it's okay to be bored of that game. xD
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 14, 2011, 10:56:29 am
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Post by: kcwong on October 14, 2011, 11:21:57 am
I kept trying to grind for the strad. It didn't take
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Me too. Killing all bards in towns again and again, only got normal ones.
I got Kill Kill Piano from a party quest tho. Still a long way to go before I can wield it properly.
Post by: Leatra on October 14, 2011, 12:38:04 pm
Huh, the thread is still alive. And I'm getting mentioned a lot. Glad you guys like the patch. :)Thanks a lot for the patch!
Last I remember, I was toying with the idea of making Learning affect skill gain in some way (right now its only perks are a fraction of MP and the bonus points when you level). Never did anything with it though. I haven't played Elona much since then, either. Then again, maybe after 200+ hours of game time it's okay to be bored of that game. xD
I wish I had my old character. That 70 PV torso armor (I think it was banded mail) could come in handy. I wish I could show you my character.
Anybody know the purpose of those music tickets you get by performing?
Post by: Tarran on October 14, 2011, 12:44:42 pm
Anybody know the purpose of those music tickets you get by performing?http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Music_Ticket
"An item you can get from performing and doing performance related quests. It currently has no use, and it cannot be sold."
Post by: hachnslay on October 14, 2011, 03:11:31 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on October 14, 2011, 04:35:57 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 14, 2011, 04:42:11 pm
Scrolls of incognito are located in the mages guild I think.
You can use a disguise kit or a scroll of incognito to get into the guilds :P
Post by: FunctionZero on October 14, 2011, 04:48:16 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 14, 2011, 04:49:20 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 14, 2011, 05:00:40 pm
Or you could actually manage o join the guild but that's too much work.
Post by: Leatra on October 14, 2011, 06:37:27 pm
Joining the guild is difficult. You have to stop paying taxes for 4 months which means you will only stick around in Delphy. I was doing that quest and I also blew up Palmia with a nuke while doing that. That's the way how I got the secret treasure of the wicked. When you become a member you will have a quest like "Sell 10k stolen goods. Done? Sell 25k now!" They pay you monthly but it isn't that much.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 14, 2011, 08:33:40 pm
Post by: kcwong on October 14, 2011, 08:38:28 pm
Any advice for a newbie golem warrior? My funds are rapidly dwindling, and none of the quests I have attempted seemed even remotely plausible. On a good day, I can make it through the first floor of the Puppy Cave and make ~30 gp from a particularly valuable piece of crap. 8)
Collect various junks - ores (but not ore pieces which are heavy), garbage, shit, stones, dead fish, straw, etc. Also keep wands (fire/ice bolt, magic missile, web, slow, healing hands, light cure, etc.). There will be "Birthday" and "I want it!" quests that want them. With "I want it!" you can trade from other citizens, and sometimes you can just buy them from shops - the quest reward usually pays you more than the cost. Just make sure you got the item ready before you accept the quest.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 14, 2011, 08:50:29 pm
I find the quests where you bring people stuff from other towns to be pretty good, but if you fail them, you take a large karma hit.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on October 14, 2011, 10:10:18 pm
Any advice for a newbie golem warrior? My funds are rapidly dwindling, and none of the quests I have attempted seemed even remotely plausible. On a good day, I can make it through the first floor of the Puppy Cave and make ~30 gp from a particularly valuable piece of crap. 8)
You should focus your funds on identifying Wands, Scrolls, Potions and Books that don't have a name (i.e. Mossy Scroll, Bloody Spellbook, Green Potion, Ivy Wand, etc). When you identify one once, they will come up with their proper name every time you see one again and you can sell them for full price without IDing. So although that Wand of Speed was an Ivy Wand when you picked it up, after you ID it every Wand of Speed you see in a dungeon will be listed as a Wand of Speed and can be sold for full price. IDing a "raw ore of X" will allow you to sell later ones you find all full price too.
If you don't have the Sense Quality skill, save up your platinum coins from easy quests and learn it from a trainer. It will allow you ID equipment over time while it sits in your inventory, and after if gets to be a higher level you'll get immediate information about the material and general quality of an item when you see it on the ground (good for noting when you find an artifact).
Basically, the Puppy Cave becomes a goldmine for newbie characters after you obsolete the need for spending loads of gold IDing stuff in town.
Post by: Patchy on October 15, 2011, 01:35:42 am
Post by: kcwong on October 15, 2011, 04:25:06 am
Post by: Patchy on October 15, 2011, 04:46:52 am
Riding skill requires time and platinum coins before it shines though... you can't use heavy weapons, at low levels your hit chance will be reduced, and you won't get the full speed out of your mount.
What doesn't take a lot of time and platinum to really shine? And it's another reason to start working on it early. If he is wanting to go the heavy weapons route, he can try to find/buy a full set of glass equips, otherwise he's likely going to have to work riding up sooner or later.
Post by: kcwong on October 15, 2011, 05:55:27 am
Post by: Leatra on October 15, 2011, 06:03:06 am
Any advice for a newbie golem warrior? My funds are rapidly dwindling, and none of the quests I have attempted seemed even remotely plausible. On a good day, I can make it through the first floor of the Puppy Cave and make ~30 gp from a particularly valuable piece of crap. 8)If you don't identify your stuff before selling them you won't make money. You need money to identify though.
Money makes money.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 15, 2011, 02:44:09 pm
You might get really lucky and get something awesome though.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2011, 02:52:25 pm
It partially identifies the wand, allowing you to sell it for more. And sometimes, you'll find out a wand is a wand of identify, with which you zap the spell books.
After identifying all your books, move on to the scrolls. Scrolls don't sell for as much as books, due to their limited nature, but the scrolls of oracle sell for decent cash, and other scrolls sell for more than monster body parts.
Post by: Yoink on October 15, 2011, 03:01:24 pm
Post by: FunctionZero on October 15, 2011, 03:08:15 pm
Tried this game last night, and holy Fudge it is confusing! Obviously I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, but at one point as I was sheltering in a dungeon from an ether storm, I received a message that a panther had been killed by an atomic bomb in my house. ??? Wha.
If you have internet, it will show the deaths of other players in their own games.
Post by: Tarran on October 15, 2011, 03:10:06 pm
Post by: Yoink on October 15, 2011, 03:44:32 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 15, 2011, 03:53:27 pm
I think there's an Urist to vote for too.
Post by: FunctionZero on October 15, 2011, 04:52:38 pm
I edit cdatan.s1 like a boss. I write my own titles, ha!
Post by: Leatra on October 15, 2011, 06:44:45 pm
Tried this game last night, and holy Fudge it is confusing! Obviously I'm not entirely sure what I'm doing, but at one point as I was sheltering in a dungeon from an ether storm, I received a message that a panther had been killed by an atomic bomb in my house. ??? Wha.Game is incredibly confusing because of it's humorous nature but when you get used to it you won't stop playing it. I played it around 150 hours according to game but I had a lot of other characters too.
I recommend this giant list of tips to newbies. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tips
Most of your questions are answered there
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 15, 2011, 06:59:47 pm
Now, to take a break and play Gearhead. 8)
Post by: Leatra on October 15, 2011, 07:41:15 pm
Thanks for the tips galore, everyone. I've managed to stockpile a pretty large number of anonymous potions and scrolls in my house, and am now just waiting to save up enough gold to identify them in one go. Last night, for the first time, I discovered the miracle of enemies dropping enough gold to feed yourself! :DDon't spend money to identify weapons and armor. They don't make good money. Real money comes from selling rods, scrolls and spellbooks. Especially spellbooks are valuable. Be on the lookout for scrolls too. Scroll of oracle spawn 1 out of 3 times in Puppy Cave and they make around 2000 gps.
Now, to take a break and play Gearhead. 8)
Doing quests isn't really a good way to make money but they pay you in platinum coins and they are very valuable.
Good luck! I'll try Gearhead tomorrow (thanks again) :D
Post by: Bouchart on October 15, 2011, 08:41:27 pm
Thanks for the tips galore, everyone. I've managed to stockpile a pretty large number of anonymous potions and scrolls in my house, and am now just waiting to save up enough gold to identify them in one go. Last night, for the first time, I discovered the miracle of enemies dropping enough gold to feed yourself! :DDon't spend money to identify weapons and armor. They don't make good money. Real money comes from selling rods, scrolls and spellbooks. Especially spellbooks are valuable. Be on the lookout for scrolls too. Scroll of oracle spawn 1 out of 3 times in Puppy Cave and they make around 2000 gps.
Now, to take a break and play Gearhead. 8)
Doing quests isn't really a good way to make money but they pay you in platinum coins and they are very valuable.
Good luck! I'll try Gearhead tomorrow (thanks again) :D
Performance quests can bring in a lot of money.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 15, 2011, 10:57:15 pm
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 15, 2011, 11:00:55 pm
No thanks, I'll stick to punching things things with my fists until they explode.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 16, 2011, 12:08:09 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2011, 12:12:51 am
Post by: beorn080 on October 16, 2011, 12:16:31 am
Post by: Blaze on October 16, 2011, 12:19:12 am
If you move far enough away you can survive the explosion, but that requires an extremely large map as well as a stupid dwarf trick.
A high level contingency spell can practically guarantee your survival, lesser sources have a much lower chance of working.
There's also the karma penalty though.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2011, 12:46:17 am
Post by: Leatra on October 16, 2011, 05:55:56 am
Towns have bigger maps than parties. I don't know the radius of a nuke explosion but I guess you might survive it if you dig far enough. Also you can't stay for eternity there. There is a timer.
Post by: Bouchart on October 17, 2011, 07:24:39 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 17, 2011, 07:43:29 pm
In 1.22 I've been having a hard time finding Yen coins and casino chips. Anyone else have this problem?And I'm having a hard time finding scrolls of superior material :\
Post by: Robsoie on October 17, 2011, 07:49:29 pm
So wanting to drop that to re-equip my bow, i noticed the "dreadfull" mention next to the item, and ... i can't unequip it (great for a character i invested all his points in Luck at chargen :D ).
The problem is that each few turns i'm now randomly teleported, and it's rather annoying as you can imagine.
As i'm very early (reached just level 3) , should i just create another character, or is getting an uncurse scroll easy in this game at such low level and rather low amount of gold ?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 17, 2011, 07:52:58 pm
Post by: Bouchart on October 17, 2011, 07:53:40 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 17, 2011, 08:32:43 pm
Or you could go the easy way and get an equip that stops teleporting, but that stops the good kind of teleporting too.
Post by: Robsoie on October 17, 2011, 08:34:52 pm
Fortunately, after lots of puppy cave death (can't believe the hundred of enemies on the 1st floor, the curse attract them) i finally read a scroll that apparently was the one i needed as the curse disappeared from that pistol (that didn't seemed to have anything good for it).
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 17, 2011, 09:08:29 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 17, 2011, 10:57:56 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 17, 2011, 11:14:01 pm
Post by: Yoink on October 17, 2011, 11:40:01 pm
Suddenly I grew extra eyes while reading a book.
Handy! You could read faster.
Anyway, this game is weird. I can't put my finger on it, but despite the bulk of it being near-identical fetch quests, the boring combat, the NPCs being bland and faceless, the loss of karma for failing requests and low karma inexplicably making you a criminal, for some reason I'm still finding it addictive.
Very odd. I just want to actually become good at this game for some reason!
All my characters so far have ended up failing once their karma dropped low and they became a criminal. (Seriously, what's up with that?)
It's really hard to keep karma high when you get one point for completing a quest, and lose about ten for failing even the simplest one. ::) My current guy seems to be doing okay, though.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 18, 2011, 12:15:09 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 18, 2011, 12:19:40 am
It's really hard to keep karma high when you get one point for completing a quest, and lose about ten for failing even the simplest one. ::) My current guy seems to be doing okay, though.Then don't fail quests. Don't do the hard sounding ones, like Vernis ==> Lumiest, or Anywhere ==> Noyel.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 18, 2011, 12:39:49 am
Suddenly I grew extra eyes while reading a book.
Handy! You could read faster.
Anyway, this game is weird. I can't put my finger on it, but despite the bulk of it being near-identical fetch quests, the boring combat, the NPCs being bland and faceless, the loss of karma for failing requests and low karma inexplicably making you a criminal, for some reason I'm still finding it addictive.
Very odd. I just want to actually become good at this game for some reason!
All my characters so far have ended up failing once their karma dropped low and they became a criminal. (Seriously, what's up with that?)
It's really hard to keep karma high when you get one point for completing a quest, and lose about ten for failing even the simplest one. ::) My current guy seems to be doing okay, though.
It has a sort of pornographic quality.
Post by: hachnslay on October 18, 2011, 12:52:42 am
... i had to nuke 3 cities and currently have zero karma. Do the red flower over palmia quest.Suddenly I grew extra eyes while reading a book.
Handy! You could read faster.
Anyway, this game is weird. I can't put my finger on it, but despite the bulk of it being near-identical fetch quests, the boring combat, the NPCs being bland and faceless, the loss of karma for failing requests and low karma inexplicably making you a criminal, for some reason I'm still finding it addictive.
Very odd. I just want to actually become good at this game for some reason!
All my characters so far have ended up failing once their karma dropped low and they became a criminal. (Seriously, what's up with that?)
It's really hard to keep karma high when you get one point for completing a quest, and lose about ten for failing even the simplest one. ::) My current guy seems to be doing okay, though.
you hit rock bottom for karma.
join the thief's guild if you want to now.
after that get killed by a guard while at -25 Karma or under and level 6 or higher. (+10 Karma)
if you have 6 or more potions of cure corruption you can go to noyel and give pael's mother some potions of cure corruption. after 5 or so you get a happy applesome money and platinum. every potion after that is +20 Karma.
Bury all corpses while under -5 Karma - they give +5
maybe you should hire a maid and just wait for beggars to come along.
Post by: Yoink on October 18, 2011, 03:14:21 am
Sweet. Maybe they aren't good for nothing after all. :P ...My first few characters just killed them. Maybe it's not so surprising I had low karma? :-\
Post by: kcwong on October 18, 2011, 04:01:34 am
Waaaaitaminute... Not sure how to do all of that, but giving cash to beggars gives karma?!
Sweet. Maybe they aren't good for nothing after all. :P ...My first few characters just killed them. Maybe it's not so surprising I had low karma? :-\
Slaughtering beggars and bards by the dozens will not lower your karma... but touch a tourist or town child and I'll call you a monster. :P
I don't give potions or money to get karma... I only raise my karma back via burying random corpses and doing quests.
I plan well ahead before I plant the bomb. I stockpile disguise sets and scrolls of incognito, and make sure I have something else to spend my time on (like dungeon diving, fishing, playing music, etc.) if I ran out of quests to do in Derphy.
Post by: hachnslay on October 18, 2011, 04:39:01 am
Unless i play a fairy which can't carry the nuke, that is. if i do i make sure to have a scroll of recall - read it, plant the nuke some turns after and enter palmia from the bottom right. then wait in the corner. sometimes it doesn't kill you then.
Post by: Max White on October 18, 2011, 05:43:46 am
Post by: Leatra on October 18, 2011, 07:33:21 am
Suddenly I grew extra eyes while reading a book.
Handy! You could read faster.
Anyway, this game is weird. I can't put my finger on it, but despite the bulk of it being near-identical fetch quests, the boring combat, the NPCs being bland and faceless, the loss of karma for failing requests and low karma inexplicably making you a criminal, for some reason I'm still finding it addictive.
Very odd. I just want to actually become good at this game for some reason!
All my characters so far have ended up failing once their karma dropped low and they became a criminal. (Seriously, what's up with that?)
It's really hard to keep karma high when you get one point for completing a quest, and lose about ten for failing even the simplest one. ::) My current guy seems to be doing okay, though.
You want to play the game because character development is fun. It happens to me too :D
And to you my-karma-is-low guys, you really should get the secret tresure of the wicked. You'll stay as a criminal for sometime but after that you won't be a criminal even if you try. Well you could be but you have to be really careless to be criminal. Also, you can have sex with everybody and don't recieve any karma penalty. Bonus!
actually i almost always do the nuke quest before i reach level 6.Great plan. That's what I do.
Post by: Neonivek on October 18, 2011, 07:47:04 am
It is one of the few games that is outright dead against your advancement. I mean SURE you caaaan tackle dungeons one after the other immediately, but your stats will improve too slowly to keep up with the dungeons (Plus some character choices... Such as being a Golem, absolutely neeeeeeeeds certain skills to be viable)
Still fun. My Golem was the most powerful level 30 I ever had.
Post by: Robsoie on October 18, 2011, 10:51:54 am
But surprisingly ... it's always very fun to play (and i don't mean "fun!" in the sense of stupidly difficult, but fun in the sense of interesting, replayable and enjoyable).
Elona is really a work of mystery.
Post by: Patchy on October 18, 2011, 11:34:04 am
I had just returned after a grueling ordeal in the puppy cave... well it wasn't that hard, but getting the puppy out alive was the problematic part. Anyways I was walking triumphantly up to the kids house with his puppy and my lil girl following close behind me. As I was walking through town just mere steps from the kids house, my lil girl decided to drink from the well near his house. And out pops a bunch of monsters, Vanity of course sees them, and charges them. He promptly smites all of them which in turn brings forth the end of days... you can guess what happens from there.
That was the end of my first char as I turned Elona off in disgust and watched tv for awhile. Would come back later that night, and roll up a new char though. I now also, empty out all wells by dipping empty bottles into them.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 18, 2011, 02:43:16 pm
Post by: Max White on October 18, 2011, 05:23:05 pm
Also, because metric is awesome.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 18, 2011, 06:28:38 pm
Once again, fairy pianist. Your charisma will entitle an army as soon as you start, as well as a means to afford them pretty much right away (*Cough* May I interest you in a little tail tonight, madam? *Cough*) and the ability to carry stuff.
Horre shitsu- you were not even exaggerating in the least. I rolled a male fairy (Enjoyable Lad Berries and Cream) and within 30 minutes of play time had managed to collect 8000 gold. Booty calls with shopkeepers were netting me 500-2000 gold per go, with an additional ~500 from piano performances in between...
Post by: Robsoie on October 18, 2011, 07:26:48 pm
I had to get to Derphy and buy more companions/slaves to get a chance in this dungeon.
And i thought that malus when dying was only applying only starting with level 6 , but considering the insane amount of money i lost despite i'm at level 4 , it does not look good as i can't imagine what it will be when i'll reach level 6 (as even trying to avoid killing anything, you gain XP anyways) and starting to lose 0.5 skills points by death.
Obviously companions/slaves are getting very low XP, considering they have killed so many monsters in my repeated explorations of the puppy dungeon, and my laser shooting punk pet is always at level 1.
Will have to invest in that dodge feat now as when i'm cornered it's really bad, my 2 little sisters are doing great at destroying enemies, my starting bear in comparison is simply awfull, it can't kill anything despite having only 1 less level than the litte sisters.
I'm considering firing the bear and trying to buy another little sister in Derphy.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 18, 2011, 07:30:06 pm
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2011, 07:40:33 pm
I can't imagine why you would ever take a bear in the first place. Little girls/sisters are better simply because you can give them weapons and armor you can use.Morale boost? If I had a bear, I'd be pretty happy.
Post by: Tarran on October 18, 2011, 07:43:31 pm
Post by: webadict on October 18, 2011, 07:45:40 pm
Until he gets slaughtered because he can't wield equipment. Then there would be a morale loss.Mutate him? Also, give him that bear armor from the Golden Compass.
Post by: Robsoie on October 18, 2011, 07:47:35 pm
I can't imagine why you would ever take a bear in the first place. Little girls/sisters are better simply because you can give them weapons and armor you can use.
I never took a bear so far, so i imagined that it was a strong beast or something like that.
And in this run i understood that bears are simply pathetic, at equal level with a little sister without even giving any kind of equipment, a little sister kill a monster in few turns, while a bear just can't kill anything quick enough to be of any usefullness.
edit : fired the bear and got a Juere infantry in its place, that has 2 levels more than my character, and apparently hit very hard too.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 18, 2011, 09:24:45 pm
I'm up to 70k gold, right? About to buy a ranch for 74k. I go to sleep to prepare to play again, you know what happens? Some shitty thief steals 6000 gold. Okay, I'll cut my losses.
Then, then, the game basically says "lol fuck you" and curses my amulet. And steals from me again. Down to 60k gold, and now going lower because my amulet is stealing from me.
Oh, and aliens are ripping Palmia apart. One of my lackeys got pregnant.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 18, 2011, 10:52:52 pm
And next time give your lackey some dye. Or poison.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 18, 2011, 10:57:34 pm
Post by: Patchy on October 18, 2011, 11:38:22 pm
Also you can save the inferior material scrolls, so you can turn cursed gears into raw and then eat it off. This way destroys the gear unfortunately, but its unlikely you'll come across anything super great early on that can't be replaced.
The beggars pendant is a good item to for protecting your money from thieves. It also boosts charisma by 10 so a "lil tail" pays a bit better. You can get it fairly easily too by going to party quests in palmia and killing the beggars over and over again in it.
Post by: Seriyu on October 19, 2011, 12:14:58 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 19, 2011, 02:56:10 am
Post by: kcwong on October 19, 2011, 03:20:48 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 19, 2011, 03:22:54 am
And I've spent months grinding, so a few keypresses isn't much.
Post by: Yoink on October 19, 2011, 03:58:59 am
Hehe, actually I remember I used to undress before reading any unknown scrolls in ADOM. :P Good idea.
Post by: Leatra on October 19, 2011, 05:22:53 am
Is it just me or the chances of finding a superior material scroll is incredibly lowered in the beta version?
Is it possible to farm potions of descend by getting a bunch of zombies and having them working at the ranch? Zombies drop a potion of descend sometimes so I was thinking...
Also, I created a new character and found that beggar amulet in my home. I was doing the tutorial and noticed it lying around. Weird.
Post by: 3 on October 19, 2011, 05:29:51 am
Is it possible to farm potions of descend by getting a bunch of zombies and having them working at the ranch?
This is one of the main reasons to get a ranch in my mind. The gold investment (yes, it's gold, I know, but still) required to get a load of descent potions is pretty hefty, and they're still fairly rare even once you pass the vendor level threshold.
That plus being able to farm other corpses for infinite stat training, and creating an army of your gene-engineered super-mutants... ranches are pretty fantastic.
Post by: Leatra on October 19, 2011, 05:36:30 am
I had 4 ranches in my previous character for stat training purposes. I was like "Hmmmm... What should I eat today? Maybe a putit for charisma or a horse for constitution."Is it possible to farm potions of descend by getting a bunch of zombies and having them working at the ranch?
This is one of the main reasons to get a ranch in my mind. The gold investment (yes, it's gold, I know, but still) required to get a load of descent potions is pretty hefty, and they're still fairly rare even once you pass the vendor level threshold.
That plus being able to farm other corpses for infinite stat training, and creating an army of your gene-engineered super-mutants... ranches are pretty fantastic.
If anybody wants to try this out, get a lame horse from Yown and have it work at your ranch. Lame ones have the highest breeding power.
Post by: Neonivek on October 19, 2011, 08:39:40 am
Until he gets slaughtered because he can't wield equipment. Then there would be a morale loss.
Really I thought the bear could use equipment. I know a horse can at least...
Post by: Blaze on October 19, 2011, 09:15:22 am
Bears CAN use weapons, just give one a weapon and he/she will equip it. Bears, however, lack back and body slots (among others), which severely limits their defensive capability.
Post by: Robsoie on October 19, 2011, 09:48:26 am
So i had some fun with it, and it's rather powerfull when it works (50% of the time).
At some point i had a message that told me Dark Eye increased , i looked and noticed that instead of costing 10 mp it was only 8 , i was happy until i noticed that from 50% of chances, i was now only at roughly 20% ?
What ?
And after a few more try, surprise : Dark Eye disappeared from my spell list, i can't cast it anymore, and when it disappeared it took with it Nether Arrow that i never cast until now, both spells are simply no more in my spell list, only have a few unusable (0 and 5% of chances) healing spells left on it.
What happened ? why did those spells disappeared and why Dark Eye "improving" lowered by half its casting success chances ?
Is that a bug (running the latest beta 22 + community fixes (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&start=150#p29258) ) as i don't find any mention of this kind of thing in the spell page of the wiki (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spell) ?
Post by: Leatra on October 19, 2011, 09:56:37 am
I got a problem, my fairy learned when sleeping a new spell "Dark Eye" that surprisingly had more than 50% of chance to cast (all my other spells having less than 10 and that casting skill does not seem to increase despite all the platinium i invested in training its "potential") .
So i had some fun with it, and it's rather powerfull when it works (50% of the time).
At some point i had a message that told me Dark Eye increased , i looked and noticed that instead of costing 10 mp it was only 8 , i was happy until i noticed that from 50% of chances, i was now only at roughly 20% ?
What ?
And after a few more try, surprise : Dark Eye disappeared from my spell list, i can't cast it anymore, and when it disappeared it took with it Nether Arrow that i never cast until now, both spells are simply no more in my spell list, only have a few unusable (0 and 5% of chances) healing spells left on it.
What happened ? why did those spells disappeared and why Dark Eye "improving" lowered by half its casting success chances ?
Is that a bug (running the latest beta 22 + community fixes (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&start=150#p29258) ) as i don't find any mention of this kind of thing in the spell page of the wiki (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spell) ?
Spells disappear because of the spell stock feature. Check your spells screen. You'll see a cost(stock) column. That "(stock)" describes how many times you can cast it. Amnount of spell stock used is random but close to the MP cost.
For example you have Ice Bolt spell and it has 43 spell stock. It costs 10 MP to cast. That means you can only cast that 4 or 5 times.
The amount of Spell Stock gained by reading Spellbooks is a random amount based on your Memorization Skill and the amount of stock you currently have. The higher your memorization skill the more stock you gain. The higher your current spell stock the less stock you gain.
You can gain spell stock by reading spellbooks, sleeping, reading scrolls of wonder.
I don't know about the Nether Arrow spell though. Spells never disappear by itself.
Chance to cast a spell depends on your armor and your level in that spell. Don't wear heavy armor if you are a wizard. If you are riding or using two weapons at once it will reduce your chance to cast a spell as well.
I have a question too:
Bonuses from equipment materials are different in the beta version??? ???
Rubynus armor used to be the best armor and diamond weapon used to be the best weapon. Is there a new list?
I think I'll just switch back to 1.16.
Post by: kcwong on October 19, 2011, 10:18:01 am
If anybody wants to try this out, get a lame horse from Yown and have it work at your ranch. Lame ones have the highest breeding power.
If you have potions of descent to spare, you can feed them to high level pets. Lowering their level will increase their breeding power a bit.
Post by: Robsoie on October 19, 2011, 10:46:56 am
I guess i'll have to stockpile my spellbooks instead of selling them/solving birthday quests to avoid this problem, especially considering my fairy is useless at direct fights :D
About the chance of casting decreased by equipment, is there anything in there that can be responsible of the 50% decrease in casting chance i observed after the spell "leveled up" ?
(http://i.imgur.com/ZsAfq.jpg)
Nether Arrow disappeared in the same time as Dark Eye from my list, it really puzzled me as i never used this spell (i was only spamming Dark Eye, well when the chance of casting it allowed).
Probably a bug then, unless those stock values can decrease even without casting due to some obscure gameplay mechanic ?
Post by: Leatra on October 19, 2011, 11:12:07 am
Maybe you cast Nether Arrow accidently and depleted the spell stock but that still doesn't explain the %50 reduction in casting chance.
Anyway, I suggest you to run around Puppy Cave for sometime and get every spellbook you can find. Magic Arrow is the friend of every low-level wizard.
And you're welcome :D
Post by: Robsoie on October 19, 2011, 11:20:26 am
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Anyway, I suggest you to run around Puppy Cave for sometime and get every spellbook you can find. Magic Arrow is the friend of every low-level wizard.
Will do that, as even with my army of little sisters (can't imagine how even harder it would be if i didn't bought all of those slaves), my Fairy is definitively not good for surviving in dungeons (as unfortunately the companion AI does not attack enemies on their own, i need to deal the 1st hit apparently, with a chance to get then oneshot-ed, and i did lost my fairy multiple times due to this, losing then lot of money when coming back).
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on October 19, 2011, 11:36:39 am
Will do that, as even with my army of little sisters (can't imagine how even harder it would be if i didn't bought all of those slaves), my Fairy is definitively not good for surviving in dungeons (as unfortunately the companion AI does not attack enemies on their own, i need to deal the 1st hit apparently, with a chance to get then oneshot-ed, and i did lost my fairy multiple times due to this, losing then lot of money when coming back).
You can order your companions to attack something by targeting it with the "*" key.
Post by: Robsoie on October 19, 2011, 12:06:42 pm
Will very surely increase my Fairy survivability.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 19, 2011, 12:22:05 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 19, 2011, 01:44:22 pm
I suggest all new players to pick Juere or Yerles as a race and pick an easy class like warrior. You just have to bash monsters with your club.
Fairies aren't the only leaders in the game. I had a Juere with 60 charisma. Race and class doesn't matter much.
I'm thinking about going back to 1.16 too. Even the way equipment materials work is changed.
Post by: Robsoie on October 19, 2011, 03:03:47 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Patchy on October 19, 2011, 03:14:31 pm
As early as possible you should attempt to get yourself something to use as a ranged weapon. I prefer a laser or machine gun, because you don't start with the gun or marksmen skills and won't gain as much xp when you use it. The cyberdome is a good place to shop for guns, or you can keep entering and leaving the puppy cave until you see a gun on the ground near the entrance (Note this is also a very good way to farm spellbooks early on).
Always read your books in the wilderness next to the edge of the map. If something nasty spawns to kill you, you're 1 step away from safety. Also read your books only when your mp is full, if they drain your mp and you're not at full it's like overcasting and it'll likely kill you.
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Post by: FunctionZero on October 19, 2011, 04:02:01 pm
Question , spoiler i guess so it's inside the tagsSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Nah, man. Just wait, NPCs respawn after a while.
Post by: Leatra on October 19, 2011, 04:53:11 pm
New beta version or good ol' 1.16.
Post by: Tarran on October 19, 2011, 05:48:49 pm
Post by: webadict on October 19, 2011, 06:26:21 pm
I can't play the game because I can't decide. Which one is better?There's like no difference between them if you get the bugfix. Some small stupid things.
New beta version or good ol' 1.16.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2011, 06:34:17 pm
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Post by: Robsoie on October 19, 2011, 07:31:32 pm
From his items, i got this one that seems interesting (though i had to buy a greater identify scroll as neither identify scroll or people you pay for identify could do it) :
(http://i.imgur.com/QGxMW.jpg)
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2011, 07:41:13 pm
Also you put that charm on right now. No downsides, as far as I can see.
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on October 19, 2011, 10:12:54 pm
Post by: Jacob/Lee on October 19, 2011, 10:36:10 pm
Holy crap! This game has a plot? What will they think of next..?A self-modifying AI with human brain cells integrated.
Also, how do I increase my carrying capacity?
EDIT: "I want to give my son [dead fish] for his birthday..." Wow, aren't you such a caring father.
Post by: Bouchart on October 19, 2011, 11:04:23 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 19, 2011, 11:24:45 pm
EDIT: "I want to give my son [dead fish] for his birthday..." Wow, aren't you such a caring father.It's better than "I want to give my uncle/son/father/whatever [worthless fake gold bar]/[shit]/[vomit]".
Which is better than the "My father is sick" quests where the "father" is actually female.
Also the "I want to give my son [rod of fire bolt]". Nobody's going to go absolutely nuts with is and blast everything. Nope, no one.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 12:06:39 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 20, 2011, 12:08:09 am
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 12:25:20 am
Post by: somebody on October 20, 2011, 12:35:33 am
Which is all better than "I want whoever's [corpse]".EDIT: "I want to give my son [dead fish] for his birthday..." Wow, aren't you such a caring father.It's better than "I want to give my uncle/son/father/whatever [worthless fake gold bar]/[shit]/[vomit]".
Which is better than the "My father is sick" quests where the "father" is actually female.
Post by: Patchy on October 20, 2011, 01:30:38 am
It's kind of wierd to have 2 different weight systems in game but meh. As far as I know "stones" was an old british unit of measure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_%28imperial_mass%29
Post by: kcwong on October 20, 2011, 01:41:30 am
Which is all better than "I want whoever's [corpse]".EDIT: "I want to give my son [dead fish] for his birthday..." Wow, aren't you such a caring father.It's better than "I want to give my uncle/son/father/whatever [worthless fake gold bar]/[shit]/[vomit]".
Which is better than the "My father is sick" quests where the "father" is actually female.
And when you trade for the corpse you found it cursed and rotten. Then you hand it over, and they promptly eat it and die as a result.
Post by: Silleh Boy on October 20, 2011, 01:55:13 am
...or you can keep entering and leaving the puppy cave until you see a gun on the ground near the entrance (Note this is also a very good way to farm spellbooks early on).
While this is good advice, in the most recent official beta (not tried the bugfix versions people have posted, so I can't confirm if that's changed), I have noticed that repeatedly going up and down stairs drains a small amount of stamina.
On another note, I loaded this up, checked what character I had won with.
L18, Dwarf Farmer.
Starting Class means nothing in this game, ultimately, and race is more of a convenience thing than anything.
Spoiler: A Few Things of Note From Said Farmer and Some End Game Spoilers (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 01:58:50 am
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 06:25:35 am
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While this is good advice, in the most recent official beta (not tried the bugfix versions people have posted, so I can't confirm if that's changed), I have noticed that repeatedly going up and down stairs drains a small amount of stamina.It happens in every version. Using the stairs always drains a little stamina. If your stamina gets low just Shift+R[est] a little. If your stamina is very low you'll fall down or roll up (yeah...) some stairs.
Tip: You can find things like dead fish, wood piece, broken vase in the wilderness.
Tip 2: To increase your Weight Lifting skill you actually have to be 'Burdened'. If you become 'Burdened!' or heavier it won't affect the rate which it's trained. Formula of weight limit: 45 + (Strength/2) + (Constitution/4) + (Weight Lifting*2)
Tip 3: Always carry some gems with you. Most item quests ask for these and they aren't very heavy.
Post by: Patchy on October 20, 2011, 12:04:50 pm
...or you can keep entering and leaving the puppy cave until you see a gun on the ground near the entrance (Note this is also a very good way to farm spellbooks early on).
While this is good advice, in the most recent official beta (not tried the bugfix versions people have posted, so I can't confirm if that's changed), I have noticed that repeatedly going up and down stairs drains a small amount of stamina.
On another note, I loaded this up, checked what character I had won with.
L18, Dwarf Farmer.
Starting Class means nothing in this game, ultimately, and race is more of a convenience thing than anything.Spoiler: A Few Things of Note From Said Farmer and Some End Game Spoilers (click to show/hide)
Yup, stairs in the christmas version of 1.16 do the same. The drain has always been negligible to me. And when you do get tired, you just take a few turns to rest. With enough patience and grinding any race/class combo can be made into a god, even the snail/tourist. The main thing is which race feats do you want, as you can't obtain those without being that race.
Post by: Silleh Boy on October 20, 2011, 12:47:45 pm
Though I have memories of extended periods scumming stairs in one of the versions in the puppy cave for books, I can't trust memories that're potentially years old by now to exactly be accurate.
The Chaos forts are all I had left to beat, it seems.
The undead one I had handled, but the other two were a little beyond that character last I recall trying.
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 12:59:21 pm
With enough patience and grinding any race/class combo can be made into a god.I agree.
The best race seems to be Yerles though.
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Post by: beorn080 on October 20, 2011, 01:20:04 pm
While I do think that feat is great for reducing grinding, it's not exactly helpful once you get past it. I would think that either Golem or Fairy would be the best race, with mutant up there if you don't mind scumming or randomness, since those three add abilities that are typically unobtainable in any other way.With enough patience and grinding any race/class combo can be made into a god.I agree.
The best race seems to be Yerles though.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 01:54:05 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 20, 2011, 02:15:15 pm
Is that really true in Elona, a silver item is of lower material quality than a bronze one ? or is that some 1.22 bug ?
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on October 20, 2011, 02:22:11 pm
When using several scrolls of inferior material to convert a very nice axe i found thanks to a treasure map but that was way too heavy to use for my Fairy, i noticed that during the conversion process it went from bronze to silver, like if silver was of lower quality than bronze.
Is that really true in Elona, a silver item is of lower material quality than a bronze one ? or is that some 1.22 bug ?
Scrolls of inferior material do not explicitly transmute equipment into a material that is directly inferior to its current material. Rather, they randomly transmute it into a "inferior" material.
See this (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment) list.
Silver is actually better than bronze.
I stand corrected.
Though I have memories of extended periods scumming stairs in one of the versions in the puppy cave for books, I can't trust memories that're potentially years old by now to exactly be accurate.
I am quite certain that using stairs did not always cost stamina.
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 02:35:42 pm
Golem, Fairy are... extreme races. In all my characters I pretty much try to do a little bit of everything. I got most of the skills with my current character.While I do think that feat is great for reducing grinding, it's not exactly helpful once you get past it. I would think that either Golem or Fairy would be the best race, with mutant up there if you don't mind scumming or randomness, since those three add abilities that are typically unobtainable in any other way.With enough patience and grinding any race/class combo can be made into a god.I agree.
The best race seems to be Yerles though.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
When the cost of training a potential increases to 15-20 coins, that extra point can come in handy.
Post by: Robsoie on October 20, 2011, 02:50:49 pm
When using several scrolls of inferior material to convert a very nice axe i found thanks to a treasure map but that was way too heavy to use for my Fairy, i noticed that during the conversion process it went from bronze to silver, like if silver was of lower quality than bronze.
Is that really true in Elona, a silver item is of lower material quality than a bronze one ? or is that some 1.22 bug ?
Scrolls of inferior material do not explicitly transmute equipment into a material that is directly inferior to its current material. Rather, they randomly transmute it into a "inferior" material.
See this (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment) list.
Silver is actually better than bronze.
So that's a bug then that the inferior material scroll transmuted bronze into silver (then the silver was transmuted into raw after that, raw the Fairy could then use), as from that list, silver is NOT an "inferior" material
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 02:58:17 pm
When using several scrolls of inferior material to convert a very nice axe i found thanks to a treasure map but that was way too heavy to use for my Fairy, i noticed that during the conversion process it went from bronze to silver, like if silver was of lower quality than bronze.
Is that really true in Elona, a silver item is of lower material quality than a bronze one ? or is that some 1.22 bug ?
Scrolls of inferior material do not explicitly transmute equipment into a material that is directly inferior to its current material. Rather, they randomly transmute it into a "inferior" material.
See this (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment) list.
Silver is actually better than bronze.
So that's a bug then that the inferior material scroll transmuted bronze into silver (then the silver was transmuted into raw after that, raw the Fairy could then use), as from that list, silver is NOT an "inferior" material
Man, I'm just going back to 1.16 xmas version. Tiny and confusing bugs are the worst.
Post by: alexwazer on October 20, 2011, 03:13:38 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 03:25:44 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 20, 2011, 03:27:58 pm
Post by: 3 on October 20, 2011, 03:29:35 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 03:31:52 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 03:32:53 pm
Although most people probably do this already, I'll post just in case it hasn't occurred to somebody yet: A good use of spare inferior mat scrolls is on high-quality furniture. Turning a masterpiece/godly item into a silverwork/bone equivalent can have a massive effect on its value.I just steal some black crystals from Cyber Dome to boost my home value.
I usually eat food, instead of clothes and weapons. x3You think eating clothes and weapons is strange? I just puke out a blessed vomit and sold it to a merchant for 160 gold ;D
Post by: 3 on October 20, 2011, 03:35:30 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 03:36:36 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 20, 2011, 03:38:36 pm
Urist McElonaman: Drat, I can't seem to put down this cursed knife! Aha, why don't I just eat it!
Urist McElonaman eats knife!
Post by: Robsoie on October 20, 2011, 03:50:19 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/tUbm8s.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tUbm8.jpg)
Inside there's a room, 2 neutral cats and one enemy snail
This room has 1 door that lead into a small corridor that lead nowhere, it's only walls
I don't see any reference to this in the wiki, is this some random named dungeon that just went bad ? Or is there some trick to explore this out of that room and one corridor (i tried to dig multiple time without any result) ?
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 20, 2011, 03:52:55 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 20, 2011, 03:54:27 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 03:55:55 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 20, 2011, 03:56:25 pm
Will find a rod or two then will come back.
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Press enter to search for hidden passages, especially at dead ends. It can take quite a few tries without detection.Thanks, i haven't thought of using this
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 20, 2011, 03:57:22 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 04:03:25 pm
Speaking of scrolls, do enchant scrolls make a big difference? I haven't really bothered with them yet, but it's starting to get hard to find better stuff than what I already have.Enchanting an armor (+1) will increase your PV by 3.
Enchanting a weapon (+1) will increase your damage by 1.
Yeah it isn't much but every PV and damage counts when you can't find any good stuff anymore.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 20, 2011, 04:06:15 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 04:31:40 pm
Thanks, that's a lot better than what I was expecting. :3Anytime ;)
Also, I forgot to mention this:
Scroll of Enchant Armor/Weapon - Can't enchant weapons and armors higher than +2. If blessed, +3.
Greater Enchant Armor/ Weapon - Can't enchant weapons and armors higher than 4. If blessed, +6.
So max is +6. If you equip an armor to every body slot (excluding hands, shield, ammo,) and max out the enchantments, you'll get an extra 54 PV but you need to waste a lot of blessed waters for that. Leaving it at +4 and getting 36 PV is a better choice.
You probably know this if you hang around the Elona Wiki though :D
Post by: FunctionZero on October 20, 2011, 04:33:47 pm
So max is +6. If you equip an armor to every body slot (excluding hands, shield, ammo,) and max out the enchantments, you'll get an extra 54 PV but you need to waste a lot of blessed waters for that. Leaving it at +4 and getting 36 PV is a better choice.Actually just one water, since you can mass-bless everything that stacks.
Post by: Leatra on October 20, 2011, 05:05:15 pm
Ah, forgot about that.So max is +6. If you equip an armor to every body slot (excluding hands, shield, ammo,) and max out the enchantments, you'll get an extra 54 PV but you need to waste a lot of blessed waters for that. Leaving it at +4 and getting 36 PV is a better choice.Actually just one water, since you can mass-bless everything that stacks.
Post by: hachnslay on October 21, 2011, 02:47:59 am
That's how i play ...
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 21, 2011, 04:00:26 am
I currently run around with a disturbs your growth #####+ speedring and a sucks blood # speed ring - both about 20+ speed. It actually trains my healing skill nicely. my fairy pianist will soon change it for an aurora ring, though, as soon as i get another hammer to turn it into an artifact. then i'll do some more high ranking "before it's too late" quests. eventually i will get the throwing skill and get the artifact panties from the seed character back. at that point i'll go inside my first dungeon.
That's how i play ...
I say keep your ring and don't throw it away. The reduction in EXP is a valuable boon, since you can enhance your skills for a long time without levelling up. Not to mention that those enchantments usually appear on cursed equipment, which is very hard to find if you're looking for cursed, EXP sucking top-tier gear.
Post by: hachnslay on October 21, 2011, 04:03:57 am
i am getting rid of the blood sucking one, as my healing skill is adequate with 48 points for now.I currently run around with a disturbs your growth #####+ speedring and a sucks blood # speed ring - both about 20+ speed. It actually trains my healing skill nicely. my fairy pianist will soon change it for an aurora ring, though, as soon as i get another hammer to turn it into an artifact. then i'll do some more high ranking "before it's too late" quests. eventually i will get the throwing skill and get the artifact panties from the seed character back. at that point i'll go inside my first dungeon.
That's how i play ...
I say keep your ring and don't throw it away. The reduction in EXP is a valuable boon, since you can enhance your skills for a long time without levelling up. Not to mention that those enchantments usually appear on cursed equipment, which is very hard to find if you're looking for cursed, EXP sucking top-tier gear.
Post by: Leatra on October 21, 2011, 06:55:20 am
I currently run around with a disturbs your growth #####+ speedring and a sucks blood # speed ring - both about 20+ speedWow. That's lucky. Highest "disturbs your growth" I could find was ##+. I think you should keep both rings and uncurse the blood sucking one. I never get an aurora ring because I usually stick around shelters, stealing skill books until the rain ends.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 21, 2011, 09:31:39 am
Oh lol. I should have reread that before I posted that, since I thought that it was a speed ring with both of the abilities in the post. Shame on me... :-\i am getting rid of the blood sucking one, as my healing skill is adequate with 48 points for now.I currently run around with a disturbs your growth #####+ speedring and a sucks blood # speed ring - both about 20+ speed. It actually trains my healing skill nicely. my fairy pianist will soon change it for an aurora ring, though, as soon as i get another hammer to turn it into an artifact. then i'll do some more high ranking "before it's too late" quests. eventually i will get the throwing skill and get the artifact panties from the seed character back. at that point i'll go inside my first dungeon.Oh lol. I should have reread that before I posted that, since I thought that it was a speed ring with both of the abilities in the post. Shame on me... :-\
That's how i play ...
I say keep your ring and don't throw it away. The reduction in EXP is a valuable boon, since you can enhance your skills for a long time without levelling up. Not to mention that those enchantments usually appear on cursed equipment, which is very hard to find if you're looking for cursed, EXP sucking top-tier gear.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 21, 2011, 10:39:15 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 21, 2011, 10:42:18 am
I finally got the Exile. I like having magic available without a hassle. I had been using an Elea Wizard, which was ok, but their ai makes them get in the way of the Little Girl, expecially in tight spaces. Maybe I should have tried to dominate a Bishop or Goblin Wizard, instead. It would have been a lot quicker, and they seem to be smarter and more versatile than Elea Wizards.
The Spiral King is the unrivaled monster mage of the whole game. Good luck finding one though, let alone surviving and taming one.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 21, 2011, 11:42:23 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 22, 2011, 12:01:47 am
So i gave a try sacrifying a character development for this, and while wiki gives the list of what to expect, i was rather disapointed by the "good" results, i mean the amount of "good" in comparison to the amount of "bad".
Because on easily a few hundred of drinking i got :
-paralysed a lot (no problem when in town or on cleared dungeons levels)
-blinded a lot (no problem when in town or on cleared dungeons levels)
-got to sleep sometime
-summoned out of depth hostile monsters (was funny when a machinegun soldier started to shoot like crazy at my pets while some demon thing was exploding them with fire) a lot
-criplling mutation a lot
-sometime it's just water
-very rarely a good mutation
-once 1 wish
I don't know if it was simply bad luck, or if fountains are weighted a lot more toward bad than good results, but is there a way (out of the Noyel fountain) to influence fountain drinking outcome (or should i just savescum fountain until at least 1 good result appear in the ocean of bad ones ?)
I was thinking about maxing the luck feat, but i remembered a previous character that had luck maxed and produced probably the most difficult game i played in Elona due to the amount of crippling things he dreamed and found, so would there be a real influence of the luck feat in regards to fountains or is it as negligible as it seemed to be for everything ?
Post by: Ivefan on October 22, 2011, 12:42:01 am
-criplling mutation a lotWishes is limited by turns and everytime you get one the chance for another one is reduced.
-very rarely a good mutation
-once 1 wish
Good & bad mutations seems to be equally common in my experience and the bad mutations is just as crippling as the good ones are beneficial.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 22, 2011, 12:42:16 am
What's his deal? >:?
Post by: Tarran on October 22, 2011, 12:45:40 am
If you were beginning the game, you could consider him a clone of you. Otherwise, he's an inferior fighter.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 22, 2011, 12:50:08 am
Post by: Virroken on October 22, 2011, 02:30:41 am
Post by: Tarran on October 22, 2011, 02:44:43 am
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Scrolls#Ally
"...Also has a chance to summon a boss-type ally <name>."
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 22, 2011, 02:52:06 am
Post by: Leatra on October 22, 2011, 06:34:44 am
Post by: Ogdibus on October 22, 2011, 06:49:07 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 22, 2011, 10:25:35 am
For the lulz, you should take it out to the wilderness and activate it while you're on the edge of the map for easy escape.
Post by: Robsoie on October 22, 2011, 10:32:01 am
(http://i.imgur.com/TtELg.jpg)
Post by: Blaze on October 22, 2011, 10:45:09 am
Very, very bad. Now go grab his sword and figure and stuff and put it in your house.There's still a chance he'll be aced by a meteor.
For the lulz, you should take it out to the wilderness and activate it while you're on the edge of the map for easy escape.
Post by: Errol on October 22, 2011, 10:54:08 am
Post by: Ochita on October 22, 2011, 12:06:13 pm
I am seriously considering turning on extra races to play a Cat Pianist. Then fight by proxy of never-ending pet waves.That gives me the best mental image. Of just a small cat playing a equally small piano, while waves of pets rush to help it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 22, 2011, 12:13:36 pm
Post by: Errol on October 22, 2011, 01:00:13 pm
I am seriously considering turning on extra races to play a Cat Pianist. Then fight by proxy of never-ending pet waves.That gives me the best mental image. Of just a small cat playing a equally small piano, while waves of pets rush to help it.
Unfortunately it's still a grand piano. But the cat still can carry it fairly well. Also a pretty lulzworthy mental image.
Also it's a bit bad that I can only approximate the sprite by making it a catgirl, but whatever.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 22, 2011, 05:13:04 pm
I am seriously considering turning on extra races to play a Cat Pianist. Then fight by proxy of never-ending pet waves.That gives me the best mental image. Of just a small cat playing a equally small piano, while waves of pets rush to help it.
Unfortunately it's still a grand piano. But the cat still can carry it fairly well. Also a pretty lulzworthy mental image.
Also it's a bit bad that I can only approximate the sprite by making it a catgirl, but whatever.
It that case, you need to pick the Catgod option. I believe that character is a catgirl.
Post by: Errol on October 22, 2011, 05:22:58 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 22, 2011, 05:41:14 pm
Post by: Patchy on October 22, 2011, 06:35:53 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 22, 2011, 07:03:04 pm
So as i had enough money, i accepted the quest.
... but how do you carry that nuke, its weight is 120 , way much more than what my character and his strength of 30 can carry apparently ?
As i couldn't carry it, i dropped it on the floor, next to the guy that gave me the quest, and used it then started to run :)
At least i saw the explosion before it took my character out too (wish i had some escape scroll at such point).
After respawning i went to see the damage, and wow, they were not really kidding with that kind of engine, funny to see that apparently the nuke explosion that was very close to him didn't disturbed the guy that is guarding the thief guild entrance.
Though i noticed some townfolks respawning, and they weren't really happy with me, as they started to run after me quickly :D
Post by: kcwong on October 22, 2011, 08:49:45 pm
... but how do you carry that nuke, its weight is 120 , way much more than what my character and his strength of 30 can carry apparently ?
You need to have enough HP, Healing and Weight Lifting so that you can move a square on the world map without getting crushed. Then you pick it up and travel. If you are dying, enter the map (press ENTER), drop the bomb and heal up. Rinse and repeat.
It won't be easy for your low strength and probably low Weight Lifting character.
As i couldn't carry it, i dropped it on the floor, next to the guy that gave me the quest, and used it then started to run :)
At least i saw the explosion before it took my character out too (wish i had some escape scroll at such point).
After respawning i went to see the damage, and wow, they were not really kidding with that kind of engine, funny to see that apparently the nuke explosion that was very close to him didn't disturbed the guy that is guarding the thief guild entrance.
Though i noticed some townfolks respawning, and they weren't really happy with me, as they started to run after me quickly :D
You need to read the wiki again! There's a way to completely avoid damage from the nuke.
Post by: Robsoie on October 22, 2011, 08:59:26 pm
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Weight LiftingAh, that's the problem, thanks !
My character do not have this skill, i was always wondering why despite he had a very good amount of strength he couldn't have much items before going overweighted quickly.
That was because i didn't noticed that Weight Lifting wasn't a default skill for every kind of character.
Will have to find a trainer and spend those numerous platinium coin i was always wondering where to use.
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You need to read the wiki again! There's a way to completely avoid damage from the nuke.Yes, but unfortunately i didn't have the necessary scrolls t the time i decided to give a try or cared to prepare my escape in advance, as i haven't noticed before hand the mention of the 10 turns countdown limit in the wiki entry :D
Post by: kcwong on October 22, 2011, 09:06:37 pm
Granted I didn't bother to drop my items first (was constantly at burdened to train Weight Lifting), but carrying the bomb still hurts me so I had to rest after moving several map squares.
Post by: Robsoie on October 22, 2011, 09:54:38 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 23, 2011, 05:20:26 am
Post by: Max White on October 23, 2011, 06:24:16 am
Post by: FunctionZero on October 23, 2011, 06:36:07 am
Post by: Blaze on October 23, 2011, 06:38:41 am
Post by: Leatra on October 23, 2011, 06:45:11 am
Post by: Errol on October 23, 2011, 07:22:56 am
Some of them are, others are actually a handicap. If he picked an actual cat race, that probably is a handicap more than a cheat. Remember cats don't have all their equip slots and fairly poor stats if I recall.
They've got average stats, poor Will and Magic I think but high Charisma.
That means that sooner or later some townspeople will decide that a cat is fine too.
Post by: Max White on October 23, 2011, 07:44:14 am
Post by: webadict on October 23, 2011, 08:59:09 am
Daaaaang, that cat looks fiiiiiiiiiine.Some of them are, others are actually a handicap. If he picked an actual cat race, that probably is a handicap more than a cheat. Remember cats don't have all their equip slots and fairly poor stats if I recall.
They've got average stats, poor Will and Magic I think but high Charisma.
That means that sooner or later some townspeople will decide that a cat is fine too.
Post by: 3 on October 23, 2011, 09:06:45 am
VOTE YOU FOOLS. VOTE.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 23, 2011, 09:10:52 am
(http://img.ie/5c29c.png)
VOTE YOU FOOLS. VOTE.
NO.
HELL NO.
HELL F**KING NO.
'Gay've Strider?!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!
Post by: 3 on October 23, 2011, 09:14:01 am
Spoiler: If you haven't figured it out yet (click to show/hide)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 23, 2011, 03:26:11 pm
Post by: Micro102 on October 23, 2011, 07:11:51 pm
The character was female. Anyway, it's not all bad.Spoiler: If you haven't figured it out yet (click to show/hide)
Huh? But doesn't the Japanese language consist of symbols that have sounds involving 2 letters? So in Japanese, wouldn't it NOT be an anagram?
Post by: Blaze on October 23, 2011, 07:18:05 pm
Huh? But doesn't the Japanese language consist of symbols that have sounds involving 2 letters? So in Japanese, wouldn't it NOT be an anagram?It wouldn't, all the letters would be replaced.
We aren't speaking in Japanese though.
Post by: alexwazer on October 23, 2011, 07:44:31 pm
Post by: Farce on October 23, 2011, 07:48:41 pm
It's been ages since I played so I don't remember the other ones I love. :<
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 23, 2011, 08:10:22 pm
Post by: Patchy on October 23, 2011, 11:36:12 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 24, 2011, 12:53:20 am
Very annoying, and as i used already the cure corruption potion given in the message to the king quest, i went to Palmia to play Blackjack, as from the wiki, you need to win 4 times in a row to get such a potion again.
And wow, i must be unlucky or something, but the amount of time the bank managed to reach a 21 and breaking my win streaks was rather amazing.
So at some point i went to read a bit more spoiler and noticing the hint to potion of hero that increase dexterity : you can cheat in those blackjack games with your chance to avoid detection being dependant on dexterity. That's great that i had a collection of unused hero potion then.
And i noticed that the cheating ability in Blackjack was actually not badly implemented, because it's not an auto win, but more of a card re-roll, meaning that if you're really really unlucky, cheating will take time.
Finally after 3 streaks of win, i managed to use the cheating ability and re-roll a card that would have led the bank to break my streak if not changed.
Ah no more gravity disease !
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2011, 12:59:34 am
Post by: Leatra on October 24, 2011, 05:41:49 am
I have this "you have grown feather" syptom. It reduces your weight by -20% and increases your speed by 16. You can't wear cloaks though. I have 157 speed thanks to this syptom and I'm not a fairy.
Post by: Max White on October 24, 2011, 05:43:40 am
Post by: Ogdibus on October 24, 2011, 06:57:27 am
Post by: Bouchart on October 24, 2011, 07:53:57 am
Post by: Ogdibus on October 24, 2011, 06:54:48 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 24, 2011, 07:30:31 pm
Wait loyter doesn't have a special weapon, that's whom dwell in vanity
And yes I'm very late with this
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 24, 2011, 07:34:24 pm
Post by: Tarran on October 24, 2011, 08:03:14 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 24, 2011, 08:17:41 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 24, 2011, 09:11:26 pm
Post by: Bouchart on October 24, 2011, 09:26:20 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 26, 2011, 04:07:26 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 26, 2011, 05:11:49 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 26, 2011, 05:33:52 pm
Post by: Virroken on October 26, 2011, 06:05:38 pm
Ranged multipliers are affected by: Per(?), marksman, weapon skill.
Magic doesn't have multipliers, but it has better dice growth.
edit: thrown falls under melee, I think.
Post by: Ochita on October 26, 2011, 07:49:25 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 26, 2011, 08:15:02 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 26, 2011, 09:27:52 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 29, 2011, 11:33:58 am
For some reason a lot of people kill each other at parties now.Is it because of the game version I have?
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 01:55:35 pm
Post by: Yoink on October 29, 2011, 01:57:10 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 29, 2011, 01:59:32 pm
Post by: Yoink on October 29, 2011, 02:04:43 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 02:17:00 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 29, 2011, 02:19:42 pm
The show house is for exploring downloaded custom player maps. They're like self-contained moongates, but you need to download the map file manually.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 02:47:12 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 29, 2011, 03:14:14 pm
Make a horsey that goes pew pew!
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 03:44:24 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 29, 2011, 08:13:54 pm
Edit: I'm not sure why I want the gun thing so bad.Rule of Cool.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 08:29:13 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 29, 2011, 08:38:35 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 09:34:55 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 29, 2011, 09:54:44 pm
I already made the ultimate golem Warrior (I gene spliced a horse to give it more equipment. Honestly Golem riding an animal is almost broken... if the Golem wasn't dead if the animal is dead. Your training your animal for a long time)
Any suggestions on successful Magi?
HEH maybe I should try a Golem mage... that would take FOREVER but it is possible.
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 29, 2011, 10:21:06 pm
I'd love to make a mage in Elona but with how the game functions I've been avoiding it.
I already made the ultimate golem Warrior (I gene spliced a horse to give it more equipment. Honestly Golem riding an animal is almost broken... if the Golem wasn't dead if the animal is dead. Your training your animal for a long time)
Any suggestions on successful Magi?
HEH maybe I should try a Golem mage... that would take FOREVER but it is possible.
Anything with high control magic is a good mage, assuming it has spells.
You could tame a Spiral King, or make a high level npc (assuming that making a high level npc also grants it various skills), or use EloSnack to modify your pet.
EDIT: If you're talking about making your Player Character a mage, I'm not sure how to approach that. Puppy cave farming, plus learning control magic as soon as possible, then spamming magic on your pets to train your control magic?
It'll take a very long time to accomplish, is what I can say about that.
Post by: Neonivek on October 29, 2011, 10:39:18 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 10:55:14 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 29, 2011, 10:59:19 pm
That's the main reason I want to make a custom NPC wizard. There are a few things that magic does, that you would want to have, but most wizard types make terrible allies, and most people don't want the hassle of playing a wizard.
Does it have a pay off?
Post by: Ogdibus on October 29, 2011, 11:32:51 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 29, 2011, 11:36:36 pm
Post by: Patchy on October 29, 2011, 11:37:31 pm
I'd love to make a mage in Elona but with how the game functions I've been avoiding it.
I already made the ultimate golem Warrior (I gene spliced a horse to give it more equipment. Honestly Golem riding an animal is almost broken... if the Golem wasn't dead if the animal is dead. Your training your animal for a long time)
Any suggestions on successful Magi?
HEH maybe I should try a Golem mage... that would take FOREVER but it is possible.
Is it worth it? Honestly, most everything a wiz can do, can be accomplished through rods/scrolls/pots quicker and easier. But going the wizard route is a good deal more challenging, and I think it's pretty fun. I have made several posts further back in the thread with general wizard tips in them if you want them.
My hero spell is actually a bit stronger than a hero potion, but it is also lvl 20+. I figure my spells will surpass scrolls around the same time, at the 20+ range. As for anything you can cast with rods, the rods are going to generally beat your spell, unless you completely neglect the magic device skill. To get good with rods, only requires the 1 skill. For actual casting, you need a whole mess of skills, and they dump loads of xp on you fast. Definately make sure you get a few disturb growth items.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 12:08:48 am
Post by: Ivefan on October 30, 2011, 01:10:06 am
So either items or being a warmage i guess.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 01:15:11 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 30, 2011, 01:28:07 am
In the bunch of time he has slept on the "happy bed" obtained from a fountain wish (save scumming fountain really makes a difference in that game :D ) , he has now nearly 2 pages of spells that he got from dreams and ... that he can't use as they're only at 5% (and i'm not going to spen skill point in anything magic, too busy in focusing on other skills helping him to destroy things with his really great axe and carry things around).
I can't believe how fun Elona can be, it's been 16 gameplay hour i am playing from time to time with this character and his followers and it's really fun.
Though there are some dungeon (random or not) quests that are really crazy hard despite the supposed difficulty level .
I found at some point a level 1 random dungeon , and the floor before the boss floor was the most hard i had encountered, my army of minion were always crushed in only few turns as there was a ton of spell casters/shooters in every rooms so i had to retreat every few turns to survive and resurrect them in town.
Took me a lot of time (and money due to the resurrection cost on the minions) to clean that floor this way. The boss floor was rather easy in comparison.
Now i am in a problem with my level 11 guy and his minions (most level 6 one being level 8 )
I found a mission in one of the towns (killing a Yeek leader) at some point that sounds easy on theory as the mission level is not very high (level 8 ) but i can't see how to proceed.
The Yeeks in themselves are not a problem, with my minions we have killed lots of them during all the dungeons exploration.
But the target of the mission seems to be unkillable by axe in the head or by machineguns, as it regenerates apparently quicker than we damage him (the best we did was getting him to roughly 50% of life but he ran away a few turns and got back nearly to full), and never stop to summon half a dozen yeeks by turn.
The major problem is that he summons a very lot of kamikaze yeeks, they explode the turn following massively damaging my minions each turns, so after some turns i'm always either alone if i didn't managed to reach a damaged follower to get him back to town, and even with my good protections and potions i have to retreat if i want to avoid losing tons of money by dying.
Anything i missed ?
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 30, 2011, 02:07:10 am
Edit: I got around to this early.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nice spritework. Is there a translated version of the NPC building manual?
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 02:20:44 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 30, 2011, 02:23:18 am
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 02:33:57 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 30, 2011, 02:44:20 am
But following the potion throwing advice ... i managed to kill it !
Took a few potions of paralysis though and some blindness to avoid him just teleporting away (as while away, he regenerate while none can hit him to prevent his full healing), and despite every turns he regenerated , i got lucky and with a few critical hits later i managed to deal more damage than he could regenerate.
Sadly lost all my minions (as there was non stop waves of red and dark purple colored yeeks coming from the corridor leading to the room in which we were battling), will cost again a lot, i hope the cost of the object i looted on the boss and the quest giver will cover it, though i had to sacrify several of my cure major wounds potions, as after a while the explosion were getting to me too.
But anyways, happy to have gotten rid of this guy.
edit : oh yeah, just identified the pair of shoes from the loot in this yeek boss mission
(http://i.imgur.com/KlJw0.jpg)
Post by: hexedmagica on October 30, 2011, 04:03:24 am
Post by: Tarran on October 30, 2011, 04:08:37 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 30, 2011, 06:11:02 am
I'd imagine killing all active aliens, then throwing alien-baby-killing things at NPCs so they won't breed further. Maybe set up walls to deal with a section of the town at a time.
Or killing the babymakers themselves afterwards.
Here's hoping that <Whom dwell in vanity> is dead, and <Loyter the crimson of Zanan> is uninfected.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 10:06:18 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 30, 2011, 10:13:22 am
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 10:20:15 am
Post by: Max White on October 30, 2011, 10:22:24 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 30, 2011, 03:02:01 pm
What? It'd get rid of the aliens...
I've never seen an alien before, can you have one as a pet?
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 05:10:36 pm
Post by: Seriyu on October 30, 2011, 06:28:57 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 30, 2011, 06:35:41 pm
Spoiler: Debug Ability (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 06:46:54 pm
Post by: Neonivek on October 30, 2011, 07:20:07 pm
Only use if you're a damn dirty cheater.Spoiler: Debug Ability (click to show/hide)
Or if your game became unplayable.
Which is why I call some cheats "Fix-it cheats"
Post by: Robsoie on October 30, 2011, 07:21:45 pm
:D
Anyways, i'm trying to complete the "find that guy lost in floor 16 of Lesimas" quest (actually floor 17 according to the spoilers)
And after some hard but rather fair (suprising i must say for an Elona game) battles, i reached floor 15 or 16 (not sure where i can see which floor i'm on), and there is then a jump of difficulty really huge there.
Now on that floor i'm facing wisps that give ether disease you to death, various ents that mass fire/poison you and your troops in seconds, some strong metal knights that can slay you in a couple of turns , some mine laying dogthing that can one-shot-kill you if you get on one of their mines, and other super resistant and vastly damaging "blob things", some rock giants and big trolls. Even noticed a dragon (or something big and looking like a dragon) but didn't tried to fight that.
Wow it was so hard (my minions died in a few turns) that i guess i'll be back when i will have 10 more levels.
Post by: Neonivek on October 30, 2011, 07:23:38 pm
Any game where you roll a dice everyday to see if you can still play is a game your meant to cheat at.
Post by: Virroken on October 30, 2011, 07:24:17 pm
Post by: Leatra on October 30, 2011, 07:42:35 pm
Does anyone know what the carrying limit is for pets? I want to make an epic two-hander weapon by stacking cursed flying scrolls onto a claymore, but I don't want to two-hand myself (no riding), and don't know if a pet can handle it after a series of weight-ups.It changes for every pet. I think the weight limit formula applies for NPCs too.
45 + (Strength/2) + (Constitution/4) + (Weight Lifting*2)
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on October 30, 2011, 07:49:38 pm
As far as I know, there's no way to tell your pets carrying capacity.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 30, 2011, 07:51:36 pm
Post by: Max White on October 31, 2011, 12:02:34 am
Or if your game became unplayable.This is a roguelike game, thus there is no state in which the game is broken, just interesting.
Which is why I call some cheats "Fix-it cheats"
Post by: Neonivek on October 31, 2011, 12:03:48 am
Or if your game became unplayable.This is a roguelike game, thus there is no state in which the game is broken, just interesting.
Which is why I call some cheats "Fix-it cheats"
I didn't say broken I said unplayable.
Though what is wrong with trying to fix-up interesting?
Post by: Robsoie on October 31, 2011, 12:54:20 am
The most important is simply to have fun.
Anyways, got extremely lucky, slept 2 times, and recieved a treasure map by dream 2 times
I really hope to get something nice this time again, previous treasure maps delivered some really interesting items, for me or my minions
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 31, 2011, 02:32:44 am
I did luck out with a silver bell earlier. Mind you, gold might have been nicer this early on...
Post by: Robsoie on October 31, 2011, 10:04:04 am
I noticed that most of my minions when i look at their inventory are at "Medium" , so being the same as what is mentionned for my character i assume it's burden status too, but one of my trooper is on "Heavy" , is that overweight status ?
Is there a way to see what is the maximum weight a specific pet can carry ?
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2011, 10:35:21 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 31, 2011, 10:39:36 am
Post by: kcwong on October 31, 2011, 10:43:31 am
Heh, with my very first action I "accidentally" ate the beggar's corpse and went insane. I think I'm going to like this game. :D
Don't listen to a thing that jerk says! Someday you'll get the chance to slay him during a party. (He's impossible to beat for new characters)
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 31, 2011, 10:48:33 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on October 31, 2011, 10:58:06 am
It's nothing special. All it does is make everything go on fire and an endless swarm of dragons.
Looks cool though.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2011, 11:11:45 am
Assuming you like doing odd things, like riding your same-sex spouse to war, using only panties as a weapon, then yes, you're going to like this.
Odd? That doesn't seem particularly out of the ordinary. /deadpan
And I know I'm probably going to draw the wrath of some Elder God here, but it is refreshing to play a roguelike where you can actually tell what something is before it starts dismembering you.
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on October 31, 2011, 11:44:43 am
How can i see if a pet is in overweighted state ?
I noticed that most of my minions when i look at their inventory are at "Medium" , so being the same as what is mentionned for my character i assume it's burden status too, but one of my trooper is on "Heavy" , is that overweight status ?
The "medium" and "heavy" indicators on your pets inventory are not about carrying capacity, rather they indicate whether your pet is currently using light, medium, or heavy armor. Which is determined solely by total equipment weight.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I don't know how you could tell your pets maximum carrying capacity, or if it's even possible.
Post by: Tnx on October 31, 2011, 11:47:37 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on October 31, 2011, 01:10:19 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 31, 2011, 01:13:21 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 31, 2011, 01:14:05 pm
That version f**ks up the casinos, so you can't gain cure ether diseases that way.
There's a fanpatch that fixes that bug (and other bugs) that was posted earlier.
Post by: Tnx on October 31, 2011, 01:43:12 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on October 31, 2011, 02:17:26 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2011, 02:38:19 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 31, 2011, 02:43:07 pm
Thank you, i was going to remove equipment from my "heavy" minions, mistaking this to carried weight.How can i see if a pet is in overweighted state ?
I noticed that most of my minions when i look at their inventory are at "Medium" , so being the same as what is mentionned for my character i assume it's burden status too, but one of my trooper is on "Heavy" , is that overweight status ?
The "medium" and "heavy" indicators on your pets inventory are not about carrying capacity, rather they indicate whether your pet is currently using light, medium, or heavy armor. Which is determined solely by total equipment weight.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I don't know how you could tell your pets maximum carrying capacity, or if it's even possible.
On the wiki , i found
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A character's weight limit is calculated using the formula:
45 + (Strength/2) + (Constitution/4) + (Weight Lifting*2)
For example, a character with 100 Strength and 100 Constitution needs 65 weight lifting to carry 250s without being overburdened. Note that the absolute maxiumum that you can carry and still move around is twice this.
And always for the wiki, overweight appear when the carried weight (equipment worn+items in inventory) is superior to that limit
If this formula apply to pets, it is then possible to calculate their max possible carried weight, as you can go see one of the NPC in town and ask to investigate an ally, it will give you the characteristics of the pet you select (but it costs way too much, 10.000 ! )
Post by: Blaze on October 31, 2011, 02:44:10 pm
Ah great. Thanks for notifying me about that. I'm guessing I have to start a new character right?Characters *should* be compatible between versions. My main was made in 1.1 and has been carried over between versions and still works.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 31, 2011, 02:44:58 pm
Hm. I assume you sleep by resting on a bed, because I've gotten to sleep once like that, but since then haven't been able to. Do you have to have some sort of condition worse than 'sleepy' before being able to sleep?Hit space when on the bed, resting is just taking a break.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2011, 05:03:24 pm
Hm. I assume you sleep by resting on a bed, because I've gotten to sleep once like that, but since then haven't been able to. Do you have to have some sort of condition worse than 'sleepy' before being able to sleep?Hit space when on the bed, resting is just taking a break.
Ah, thank you.
Also, couldn't resist making my first character a Claymore with a little girl follower. One guess what the name was. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on October 31, 2011, 05:07:24 pm
So what version do you guys play? I downloaded the beta 1.22 because I didn't want to miss out on any new features. Hopefully there aren't too many bugs.
I'd strongly advise playing both versions, the stable one and the beta, only because they feature completely different music.
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on October 31, 2011, 05:16:19 pm
I'd strongly advise playing both versions, the stable one and the beta, only because they feature completely different music.
No they don't. You're probably just missing the mp3 pack.
So what version do you guys play? I downloaded the beta 1.22 because I didn't want to miss out on any new features. Hopefully there aren't too many bugs.
I used the original 1.22 without the fanpatch and worked around the bugs. Now that there's a 1.22 fanpatch, I'm using that. I've clocked hundreds of hours into the patched 1.22, and I have yet to encounter a single bug.
You're really best off using 1.22 with the patch.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 31, 2011, 06:30:25 pm
EDIT: And what I'm saying can be proven by downloading both versions unmoddified, and starting each up. Different music. 8)
Post by: maki32 on October 31, 2011, 06:54:11 pm
I'd strongly advise playing both versions, the stable one and the beta, only because they feature completely different music.
No they don't. You're probably just missing the mp3 pack.So what version do you guys play? I downloaded the beta 1.22 because I didn't want to miss out on any new features. Hopefully there aren't too many bugs.
I used the original 1.22 without the fanpatch and worked around the bugs. Now that there's a 1.22 fanpatch, I'm using that. I've clocked hundreds of hours into the patched 1.22, and I have yet to encounter a single bug.
You're really best off using 1.22 with the patch.
Where can we found the 1.22 fan patch? I've looking but i found nothing! There is any mods for Elone like new maps or something? Thanks!
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on October 31, 2011, 06:55:15 pm
Unzip it over your install of 1.22
All credit goes to Singularity, even though he technically just followed Noa's instructions :P
Post by: 1piemaster1 on October 31, 2011, 07:05:57 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 31, 2011, 07:48:58 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki
read about the tutorial so you avoid wasting some items while the NPC explaining things to you is laughing at you :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tutorial
I think a good way to start is focusing on making money :
-First, get in town, you'll be able to get a minion, the bear is useless so better get the little girl, as you'll be able to equip her with some good items that will get her into a powerfull ally with time, the bear will only get killed.
- Some NPC will give you a quest (the dog lost in puppy cave, the pirate hideout, the slime infested underground), don't bother for now, you're only going to get your character killed, he's way too weak yet.
-Go to the nearby puppy cave , it's going to be your source of money for a while.
Try to NOT get the little girl killed , she's stronger than you at that point but she's not immortal, and having to get to the town pub and talk to the NPC that has the call ally has a cost in money, and better not lose money too early ingame.
Dying yourself is not advised, even if while you're under level 6 you will not have malus to "potentials" when "crawling up" to life , you'll lose 33% of your carried money, that's a very lot so don't die early.
Don't explore too much of the puppy cave, as the monsters get stronger the lower you dive.
The puppy cave generate a completely new floors every time you exit it and re-enter it, so take advantage of this while you're weak to get an entrance in which you can quickly get books, rods and scrolls without risking too much fighting.
That's what you should do until you have identified most of the books, rods and scrolls.
To get their full sale price instead of ridiculous low ones, you need an item to be identified.
and fetch as much book as possible, books can sell for lot of money -if they're identified-.
Scrolls -identified- sell for less than books, unless you're very lucky and it's a scroll of Oracle , that is very high priced, you want to find them.
Rods can be nice to keep and to sell too, but before selling check the mission panel in the town center, it happens that sometime a "birthday" mission require a specific rod, if you have it, that's often a lot of money and items for you.
Sometime the "birthday" missions require a specific book, so always check the mission panel before selling anything.
For scrolls and books, in town find the NPC that identify item and get him to identify your books before selling them to merchants NPC, but warning do not select to identify you whole inventory early, you have certainly gathered lot of garbage that sell for very few money and are not worth identifying in the beginning of the game, and it costs lot of money.
For the rods you should have no need to pay to identify, go into a wilderness map, better in a corner so you can exit quickly in case it's a summon monsters rod (as it summon hostile ones) , press Z and see what it does, this way you'll be able to identify a rod without paying.
Once an item has been identified once, every item of the same genre will be known to you and will get the full price when selling without needing identification again.
After a while, you will be able to make some nice amount of money, assuming you don't die , as said the 33% loss of money penalty is really a big malus when coming back to life.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 31, 2011, 07:54:34 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on October 31, 2011, 08:15:29 pm
Post by: Tarran on October 31, 2011, 08:16:56 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 31, 2011, 09:48:43 pm
Also
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Okay, and a few seconds after that my little girl fell in the well and died. I think the game is telling me something.
Post by: Ogdibus on October 31, 2011, 09:56:27 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 31, 2011, 09:56:51 pm
On the wiki it mention
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Blessed things usually are more powerful or have a higher success rate than normal items.Without any statistics or formula.
So i scum saved and tried with my weapon and noticed absolutely no difference :
before :
(http://i.imgur.com/R2sr5s.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/R2sr5.jpg)
after :
(http://i.imgur.com/0ZD29s.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0ZD29.jpg)
All the stats are the same from what i read, so is there something not listed there that improve with blessing ?
edit : for those interested, i found a nice little sprite replacement that keep the original overall design, but improve their quality a lot :
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3723#p25013
(file character.bmp inside the combined20100914.zip downloadable there)
There's another (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4933#p29541) replacement character.bmp , but it changes the design of several sprites
Post by: Neonivek on October 31, 2011, 10:06:13 pm
Post by: Frumple on October 31, 2011, 10:11:59 pm
Post by: webadict on October 31, 2011, 10:16:44 pm
What is the exact effect of blessing a weapon/armor ?Well, the statistics of the weapon probably won't change, but the formula it uses might.
On the wiki it mentionQuoteBlessed things usually are more powerful or have a higher success rate than normal items.Without any statistics or formula.
So i scum saved and tried with my weapon and noticed absolutely no difference :
before :
(http://i.imgur.com/R2sr5s.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/R2sr5.jpg)
after :
(http://i.imgur.com/0ZD29s.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0ZD29.jpg)
All the stats are the same from what i read, so is there something not listed there that improve with blessing ?
edit : for those interested, i found a nice little sprite replacement that keep the original overall design, but improve their quality a lot :
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3723#p25013
(file character.bmp inside the combined20100914.zip downloadable there)
There's another (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4933#p29541) replacement character.bmp , but it changes the design of several sprites
Post by: Neonivek on October 31, 2011, 10:17:16 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 31, 2011, 10:18:08 pm
And aliens are
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Post by: Neonivek on October 31, 2011, 10:18:49 pm
Post by: Farce on October 31, 2011, 10:45:12 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 31, 2011, 10:49:48 pm
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Post by: Robsoie on October 31, 2011, 11:34:49 pm
Looks like i'll have to read more of the ingame manual before the wiki then if it has more informations
My party got into a fight in a forest dungeon that featured a "quickling", that is a some very small "thing" that my troops couldn't manage to hit, that moved as fast as those evading bats around us and that was shooting a very lot of arrows each turns, destroying all my minions with incredible ease.
I had to look into the wiki to know what to do to avoid a certain death, and
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
As the wiki mention, this must be really great as a pet if you can give one of your artifact ranged weapon, half a dozen shots by turns could make a really devastating minion.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 01, 2011, 01:54:09 am
Post by: webadict on November 01, 2011, 09:16:07 am
Quicklings are devastating. Bells are that, and nigh-unkillable. Get a highly engineered bell.Don't even bother engineering it. Just give it a bow and watch it murder things. My level 2 Golden Bell is killing level 50 guys with (mostly) ease.
Post by: EuchreJack on November 01, 2011, 09:18:14 am
I am aware of what form they take... but from everything I seen from the game they are a natural creature from earth.
They come from the wells, and do not occur naturally. Considering how wacky wells are, I wouldn't be surprised if they act as interdimentional teleporters, occasionally sucking Aliens into Elona's world.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 01, 2011, 09:35:24 pm
Found the spots, yay~
Need to press 5 on the numpad to dig on the tile...
Laptop, ergo no numpad: FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Short version: please tell me there is a way to dig on the tile you're standing on without a numpad/a way to rebind keys/an alternate key. >.<
Post by: Ogdibus on November 01, 2011, 09:38:58 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 01, 2011, 09:48:02 pm
Was totally worth it though, sword, staff, ring, amulet, 3 plat, a little more than 10k gold, 3 small medals for the first one. If you want to be cheap, just look at the world map (http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3803/elonaenglishcp0nc4.png) and find the spot shown on the map. All white means it is in the north somewhere.
Post by: Ogdibus on November 01, 2011, 09:52:27 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 01, 2011, 10:07:54 pm
Oh, and certainly worth it. The longsword was godly (but had a -3 Healing debuff, and I play a claymore, so yeahno), but more importantly the ring was a might silver aurora ring with a bunch of buffs on it.
And I just found a random plat coin on the ground in the starter town, for no apparent reason. Good luck yay?
Post by: Robsoie on November 01, 2011, 10:33:46 pm
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When you clear lower level dungeons, don't open the bejeweled chests you get for beating it. Instead, just pick it up and take it to a higher level dungeon and then open it. The rewards will be better. This works the same for safes and such, but safes weigh 300, so I wouldn't try moving that around.
So as i cleaned a level 4 random dungeon, i decided to give a try, by using the King Fort that is near Palmia (level 46 dungeon) and the evil castle-look alike (supposedly level 999 ) dungeon with some save scumming technique to compare the results.
And maybe i have been unlucky, but the random loot generated while opening the chest from inside those dungeons several times was no better than what i usually obtain from opening the on the spot i killed the random dungeon boss.
Post by: Tarran on November 01, 2011, 10:47:21 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 01, 2011, 11:02:44 pm
Post by: justinlee999 on November 01, 2011, 11:39:25 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 01, 2011, 11:41:05 pm
You guys suck with your actually-good artifacts. Holy shit yes a glass breastplate with ### Heavy Armor skill! Too bad I'm a wizard!
You have to really try hard to get good artifacts and even then you can find them insanely outdated.
Your going to get a TON of junk and repeats.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 01, 2011, 11:43:23 pm
So my blackjack is broken in version 1.22, any unofficial patches that fixes this and other bugs?Over here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg2724757#msg2724757) This should be in the OP or something, it's very helpful.
Post by: kcwong on November 02, 2011, 01:02:06 am
I found a CURE CORRUPTION potion from opening a chest I got from a low-level dungeon in one of those 999 castles. I really don't think you'd find that kind of loot in a dungeon that is lower than level 10, so I'd say that the tip is correct and you were just unlucky.
I don't know about chests since I open them on the spot, but treasure balls are definitely better when you do it in a high level area.
Post by: justinlee999 on November 02, 2011, 02:29:04 am
Thanks, but I stumbled upon an ore hack version. Anyway, the icon looks similar to the ore hack one, is it the same, or are there differences?So my blackjack is broken in version 1.22, any unofficial patches that fixes this and other bugs?Over here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg2724757#msg2724757) This should be in the OP or something, it's very helpful.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 02, 2011, 04:43:35 pm
Also, it appears that the Ether Disease will eventually affect you, even if you never get caught in Ether Wind. Is there any way to cure/halt it? Does the <Claymore> protect from mutation buff block it?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 02, 2011, 04:49:12 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on November 02, 2011, 04:54:35 pm
Post by: Robsoie on November 02, 2011, 07:10:53 pm
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Defense value (DV) increases the character's Evade rating by 1% per point.Sounded good, so curious i looked at what was my Evade rating already as i never bothered to give a look and noticed i was already at more than118% ?
Hmm, well i don't understand anymore then, as in every hard battle even recently, my character have been hit a lot. The wiki is saying about Evade :
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Evade is a character's chance to dodge a melee or ranged attack.Well if the value is at more than 118% and that does not prevent being hit, that may then not be what Evade really does there's certainly something else going there, anyone know how it really works then ?
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 02, 2011, 07:15:02 pm
Post by: Robsoie on November 02, 2011, 07:41:03 pm
attack chance has 80% defense chance has 150%
attack will launch a roll resulting in a number between 1 and 80 and defense will launch a roll resulting in a number between 1 and 150, the higher number win
Or is it something completely different ?
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 02, 2011, 07:44:58 pm
So you have, let's say, 150% dodge and the enemy has 100% hit. After all the calculations and stuff there's an overall 50% to hit.
Post by: Leatra on November 03, 2011, 07:56:18 am
I found a CURE CORRUPTION potion from opening a chest I got from a low-level dungeon in one of those 999 castles. I really don't think you'd find that kind of loot in a dungeon that is lower than level 10, so I'd say that the tip is correct and you were just unlucky.I didn't see much difference between opening a chest in a level 10 dungeon and the 666 (it's not 999) one.
Potions of Cure Corruption are pretty common. I mostly open chests for medals anyway.
Post by: Micro102 on November 03, 2011, 12:48:22 pm
I've come to understand there are a bunch of non-original versions, that were made after the dev stopped. I also heard that they ruined the game.
Post by: Leatra on November 03, 2011, 01:55:50 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 03, 2011, 02:47:02 pm
Out of curiosity, is the Unknown Shell also effective against those little suicide buggers? Because my favorite tactic when dealing with rooms full of those is to run in and let one detonate on me, killing the rest in a chain reaction.
Post by: Patchy on November 03, 2011, 07:44:18 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on November 03, 2011, 09:05:01 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 03, 2011, 10:30:03 pm
Dammit, I finally manage to get down to the bottom level and beat the boss without either of my followers getting themselves killed, and the second the <deformed eye> goes down, that little sister runs over and chows down, going insane. I savescum more on here than I did in Fallout 3, and that is saying something, considering that I saved pretty much every five damn seconds.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 03, 2011, 11:08:27 pm
Post by: Tarran on November 03, 2011, 11:20:08 pm
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Whenever increased, you have a chance to enter Unsteady status, inflicting a wide variety of disorienting negative effects will be inflicted on the character, such as sleep, dim, confusion, and fear.
Post by: Tnx on November 04, 2011, 12:22:53 am
Where do you guys usually locate your house/museum/shop? I'm doing that cheaty cargo trade/return thing between Port Kapul and Noyel to build up some money atm.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 04, 2011, 01:05:21 am
Post by: Blaze on November 04, 2011, 01:11:40 am
In any case, I placed my first home in a large open space near Derphy. Plenty of room for other structures without being too far away from town ( I skipped straight from cave to castle).
Everything else I just stuck near my house.
Post by: LordBucket on November 04, 2011, 03:17:18 am
Where do you guys usually locate your house/museum/shop?
Along the road around Palmia. It's centrally located in the world map, plenty of open space, and my usual platinum-questing route was Palmia-->Yowyn-->Vernis-->Yowyn-->repeat.
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Derphy so I can make some quick money off slaves
I never found that to be sufficiently profitable to be worth bothering with. Too much effort for too little money. Most of my money came from performing and selling dungeon loot. Plus, the aesthetics of Derphy don't particularly appeal to me, and I found ranches to be much better put to use generating stat/resist boosting food corpses than gold.
Post by: maki32 on November 04, 2011, 08:21:50 am
Thanks!
Post by: Eagle_eye on November 04, 2011, 04:28:46 pm
Where do you guys usually locate your house/museum/shop?
Near Yowyn, because there are quite a few dungeons nearby, and it's not too far out of the way.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on November 04, 2011, 04:48:07 pm
Post by: Bouchart on November 04, 2011, 05:02:44 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 04, 2011, 06:15:28 pm
Also: Busy running through Lesimas at level 12 (I'm at something like floor 13-15 right now), and I finally manage to clear a floor full of asuras, fairies, thunderclouds, those alpha sword-things, etc. I get down to the next level, and... undead hands, suicide yeeks, and a blue baptist. Huh? Not that I'm complaining or anything, seeing as how I'm almost out of pots and my pets are all dead.
Also, who needs poison when you can take down bells with your shuriken?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on November 04, 2011, 06:21:30 pm
Plus poison is a little more reliable.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 04, 2011, 07:17:20 pm
You'd need poison anyway in case you drink water or something...
Plus poison is a little more reliable.
True. But I had used it all up nailing a silver bell and helping to clear out that room full of stuff above my level earlier on. Plus, I somewhat enjoy doing things the hard way. Like taking a hunting task with four stalkers and me without anything to detect invisibility, and not just running away when I found out. :P
Post by: EuchreJack on November 04, 2011, 09:55:07 pm
Also, it appears that the Ether Disease will eventually affect you, even if you never get caught in Ether Wind.
In the opening credits, it establishes that your character was caught in an Ether Storm prior to the game.
...Although, I've always been bothered by the fact that you start off in the middle of the mainland, even though the starting story established that you arrived via shipwreck. So take as little or as much consolation from the game intro as you like.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 04, 2011, 10:25:19 pm
Also, it appears that the Ether Disease will eventually affect you, even if you never get caught in Ether Wind.
In the opening credits, it establishes that your character was caught in an Ether Storm prior to the game.
...Although, I've always been bothered by the fact that you start off in the middle of the mainland, even though the starting story established that you arrived via shipwreck. So take as little or as much consolation from the game intro as you like.
See, I make a habit of never assuming that intros or cutscenes have any connection to gameplay. Not least because the whole "caught in an Ether Storm" thing doesn't even make sense. It is explicitly stated that the Ether Storms occur at set intervals, every three months IIRC, and I doubt that anyone would be stupid enough to be at sea when one was due. For that matter, the whole thing about the disease being incredibly widespread makes little sense, again because of the predictability of the storms and the availability of shelters, which are apparently so common that they cost less than a storage shed or a mediocre crossbow. Unless there are invisible 'idiot ball' items that are passed out to every individual at birth or something, because if someone was reasonably careful they could hide through every storm, along with saving up and popping a cure corruption potion if things ever got very bad, and live pretty much to the end of their normal lifespan, given the apparently glacial progress of the disease under normal conditions. :-X
Post by: EuchreJack on November 04, 2011, 10:49:21 pm
So take as little or as much consolation from the game intro as you like.
Post by: maki32 on November 05, 2011, 03:29:32 am
Post by: Ogdibus on November 05, 2011, 03:35:31 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 05, 2011, 04:15:19 pm
Post by: Eagle_eye on November 05, 2011, 04:23:09 pm
Post by: Leatra on November 06, 2011, 02:15:56 pm
Post by: Tnx on November 06, 2011, 02:34:22 pm
Post by: Eagle_eye on November 06, 2011, 02:54:40 pm
Post by: Max White on November 06, 2011, 03:16:20 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on November 06, 2011, 03:27:54 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 03:32:37 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on November 06, 2011, 04:06:18 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 06:15:35 pm
Considre trying for Rubynus, next time you get a chance. It's very well rounded. Emerald is pretty nice, too. I often like diamond for weapons, but it's really heavy, and best suited to weapons that are already heavy, which isn't always agreeable.
I'll admit, the (3d16+16)(2) acidproof, fireproof is nice, but when the dang thing weighs more than 4x the rest of my equipment combined...
On another note, I just grew feathers... SPD+15, Weight -20%, no cloak wearing. This is negative why, exactly?! :D
Post by: Tarran on November 06, 2011, 06:18:54 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 06:42:55 pm
Post by: Niveras on November 06, 2011, 06:48:01 pm
Considre trying for Rubynus, next time you get a chance. It's very well rounded. Emerald is pretty nice, too. I often like diamond for weapons, but it's really heavy, and best suited to weapons that are already heavy, which isn't always agreeable.
I'll admit, the (3d16+16)(2) acidproof, fireproof is nice, but when the dang thing weighs more than 4x the rest of my equipment combined...
Probably have to fight like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un1M7xbCCIs). (Skip to about 1:00 minute in if you don't want build-up.)
Post by: Ogdibus on November 06, 2011, 07:22:32 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 06, 2011, 07:32:16 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 07:37:18 pm
If the weight bothers you, you shouldn't be using claymores. A katana would probably serve you much better. I prefer daggers, kitchen knives, and scimitars. Besides the lighter weight, they are easier to fight with if you have low skills.
I'm pretty sure the only characters in FF7 that used giant swords were either huge monsters, or enhanced by that mako exposure program, like the members of SOLDIER, who were the only intended users of the swords. It's as if the guy in the video tried to make "Excalibur" to prove how it isn't magical, or that Surtr could never destroy the world by throwing a shiny sword. On the otherhand, I guess there are a lot people that can't tell the difference between fiction and reality when it comes to subjects that are so far removed from their lives, (understandably). He probably satisfied more than one person's curiosity. Still, it looks like he wanted to prove his own theory, rather than disprove a theory.
I'm playing a Claymore, and I'm a sucker for SP roleplay, so~
Besides, the weight wasn't a problem, and I was getting 2-3 hit kills on things several levels higher when it was bronze, it's just that diamond is the second heaviest material type. Almost everything but adamantium would be light enough to not push me over the limit.
RE: the video: Damn you, I just spent close to an hour watching a bunch of his other stuff. :P
And I think the point he made, particularly with the Dragonslayer video, is that it is technically possible for someone to use a sword that size, but that they'd have to have massive upper body, back, and leg strength to be able to use it for more than a minute or two, much less develop anything resembling an actual style beyond "overhead swing overhead swing overhead swing".
Post by: Ogdibus on November 06, 2011, 07:47:19 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on November 06, 2011, 07:48:55 pm
Post by: Tnx on November 06, 2011, 07:51:28 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on November 06, 2011, 07:54:52 pm
Post by: kcwong on November 06, 2011, 08:33:33 pm
You guys got any tricks to raising STR quickly? I've been doing the farm quests in Yowyn and pulling stuff for my STR to level up. It's taking a while and I was wondering if you guys knew anything faster.
Along with Ogdibus' suggestion you should join Fighter's Guild. Once a month the guild trainer will visit your home, and you can pay platinum coins (3 or 5? I forget) to improve the potential of Str, Dex or Con.
Start multiple ranches for arm-type monsters if you have the money and pet slots.
Post by: Neonivek on November 06, 2011, 09:09:53 pm
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I'm pretty sure the only characters in FF7 that used giant swords were either huge monsters, or enhanced by that mako exposure program
While you are correct, as there is no character who uses a giant weapon in final fantasy who hasn't done the mako.
I should state that Final Fantasy 7 is a universe where someone can develop what is essentially super powers, at least to us, through training.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 06, 2011, 09:16:57 pm
You guys got any tricks to raising STR quickly? I've been doing the farm quests in Yowyn and pulling stuff for my STR to level up. It's taking a while and I was wondering if you guys knew anything faster.
Along with Ogdibus' suggestion you should join Fighter's Guild. Once a month the guild trainer will visit your home, and you can pay platinum coins (3 or 5? I forget) to improve the potential of Str, Dex or Con.
Start multiple ranches for arm-type monsters if you have the money and pet slots.
But if you plan to be a jack-of-all-trades character, then I advise against joining any guild. It makes other guild trainers aside from the one relevant to your current guild from visiting.
Post by: FunctionZero on November 06, 2011, 09:21:51 pm
You guys got any tricks to raising STR quickly? I've been doing the farm quests in Yowyn and pulling stuff for my STR to level up. It's taking a while and I was wondering if you guys knew anything faster.
Along with Ogdibus' suggestion you should join Fighter's Guild. Once a month the guild trainer will visit your home, and you can pay platinum coins (3 or 5? I forget) to improve the potential of Str, Dex or Con.
Start multiple ranches for arm-type monsters if you have the money and pet slots.
But if you plan to be a jack-of-all-trades character, then I advise against joining any guild. It makes other guild trainers aside from the one relevant to your current guild from visiting.
You can always break into the other guilds and disguise yourself.
Post by: Tnx on November 06, 2011, 09:27:48 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 06, 2011, 09:34:09 pm
Yeah I did the teleport the guard out of the stairs trick and then doing incognito scrolls to learn the skills that I wanted. By the way, are bottles of water EVER on sale? I have never seen one in any store. Or do I have to raise its rank by investing first?
I've seen them maybe twice. I just buy the empties anyway, as I am slowly building a collection of holy water.
I didn't know it at the time, but I was incredibly lucky. At maybe level 4, I got a Happy bed drop in the puppy cave. Yeah, and it is blessed now. :D
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 06, 2011, 10:36:29 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 06, 2011, 10:48:26 pm
Post by: Neonivek on November 06, 2011, 10:56:54 pm
Unfortunately, no. You can't join all the guilds at the same time. I learned it the hard way, leaving the thieves' guild for the fighters' guild.
Though after you exploit a guild for all its worth, leaving doesn't hurt you.
For example I THINK the Fighter's guild becomes useless once you learn the fighter's guild only skills.
Post by: justinlee999 on November 06, 2011, 11:59:14 pm
I read in the wiki that you save 50% on identifying costs and trainer costs while in the fighter's guild, and that's some huge saving.Unfortunately, no. You can't join all the guilds at the same time. I learned it the hard way, leaving the thieves' guild for the fighters' guild.
Though after you exploit a guild for all its worth, leaving doesn't hurt you.
For example I THINK the Fighter's guild becomes useless once you learn the fighter's guild only skills.
Post by: kcwong on November 07, 2011, 12:03:33 am
QuoteI'm pretty sure the only characters in FF7 that used giant swords were either huge monsters, or enhanced by that mako exposure program
While you are correct, as there is no character who uses a giant weapon in final fantasy who hasn't done the mako.
I should state that Final Fantasy 7 is a universe where someone can develop what is essentially super powers, at least to us, through training.
Like like some of Tifa's limit breaks. Lifting a monster the size of a small mountain, jump and then throw it down. >_> <_<
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 07, 2011, 12:09:02 am
I read in the wiki that you save 50% on identifying costs and trainer costs while in the fighter's guild, and that's some huge saving.Unfortunately, no. You can't join all the guilds at the same time. I learned it the hard way, leaving the thieves' guild for the fighters' guild.
Though after you exploit a guild for all its worth, leaving doesn't hurt you.
For example I THINK the Fighter's guild becomes useless once you learn the fighter's guild only skills.
Joining the thieves' guild allows you to fence stolen items. Worthwhile if you're constantly stealing those ball machines in palmia and that coastal village.
The mages' guild allows you to request spellbooks from a certain person. Mixed with booze and tons of tail dancing, it's pretty much a boon, since if you do that, you just get back all your funds and get tons of tomes.
Post by: Robsoie on November 07, 2011, 12:26:32 am
Yeah I did the teleport the guard out of the stairs trick and then doing incognito scrolls to learn the skills that I wanted. By the way, are bottles of water EVER on sale? I have never seen one in any store. Or do I have to raise its rank by investing first?
The only location in which bottle of waters are on sales is in
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But i found that small medals are not that rare, usually you'll get 3 or 4 from killing bosses, from treasures maps (that you acquire in dreams from time to time) , treasure balls, chests etc...
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Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 01:57:02 am
Yeah I did the teleport the guard out of the stairs trick and then doing incognito scrolls to learn the skills that I wanted. By the way, are bottles of water EVER on sale? I have never seen one in any store. Or do I have to raise its rank by investing first?
The only location in which bottle of waters are on sales is in, but they don't sell them against money, but against 3 small medals for each bottle of water.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But i found that small medals are not that rare, usually you'll get 3 or 4 from killing bosses, from treasures maps (that you acquire in dreams from time to time) , treasure balls, chests etc...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
And you can get a fairly large number if you just go through all the towns collecting the ones in set locations.
Post by: Tnx on November 07, 2011, 11:40:15 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 12:17:23 pm
Hmm I think I'll do that to get those unique items. That sword seems pretty good!
Honestly, I'd go for the helm. That see-invisible is a fairly rare attribute (3 named items have it, and it is very uncommon in randomly generated one), and will really come in handy once you're dealing with stalkers and pumpkins on a regular basis.
Post by: Tnx on November 07, 2011, 12:37:57 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 07, 2011, 03:41:13 pm
Time stop is also exceptionally rare, but it's not completely reliable. And you can always substitute with time-stop ammunition.
Post by: Flying Dice on November 07, 2011, 05:59:49 pm
The sword is still pretty special, but the helmet is something useful for every class, pretty much. IMO, at least.
Post by: Bouchart on November 07, 2011, 06:42:44 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 07, 2011, 06:49:14 pm
Post by: Bouchart on November 07, 2011, 06:54:56 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on November 07, 2011, 06:55:55 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 07, 2011, 07:02:50 pm
Probably. But I thought using a flight scroll reduces the defense of armor and damage of a weapon.It does, but you can temper that somewhat by using enchant weapon/armor scrolls.
Post by: Tarran on November 07, 2011, 09:19:21 pm
Edit: Also, I am too blind to notice the post by Ogdibus. Derp herp. Oh well, at least I provided more information.
Post by: Leatra on November 08, 2011, 03:27:34 pm
Post by: Patchy on November 08, 2011, 03:32:45 pm
Post by: Vibhor on November 08, 2011, 10:01:03 pm
I found it in a dungeon, it was called mechanical ball before identification.
Since its precious I cannot sell it either.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 08, 2011, 10:03:52 pm
You have to kill big daddies in order to use it.
Kill those big guys, throw the mechanical ball at the little sister they spawn after death. Then you have to make said sister survive a dungeon (or send them back to town) and give them to a person in that futuristic dome. Or you could eat the corpse (don't throw the ball at them if you're going this way) for a nice stat gain.
Post by: Dave1004 on November 09, 2011, 12:19:09 am
Post by: Patchy on November 09, 2011, 12:22:38 am
Post by: Dave1004 on November 09, 2011, 12:24:25 am
Hey! Nifty stats, much appreciated :D what does the #####+ mean? Is that good or bad? It says it speeds up my travel.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 12:31:15 am
### - is average
##### - is great
#####+ - is great and more
So yeah, it means that those shoes are great.
Post by: Patchy on November 09, 2011, 12:32:36 am
Post by: Dave1004 on November 09, 2011, 12:38:40 am
whatchamacallit is a word? What the heck!?
Edit: I killed some hermit crab, and it dropped an amulet. I tried to identify it, but it says that I need a higher identification to, uh...identify it? Where can I do this? Thanks!
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 09, 2011, 12:46:06 am
It's an <Unknown Shell> I bet. Pretty good.
Post by: Dave1004 on November 09, 2011, 12:49:49 am
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 12:57:25 am
Post by: 3 on November 09, 2011, 01:11:57 am
Cost a fortune though...There goes 4000 gold D:
Alternatively, you could've just held it for a while. You don't need the appraisal skill in order to appraise things, and you already know what the attributes are.
Post by: Dave1004 on November 09, 2011, 01:16:29 am
Cost a fortune though...There goes 4000 gold D:
Alternatively, you could've just held it for a while. You don't need the appraisal skill in order to appraise things, and you already know what the attributes are.
Oh, uh...Huh. Well, darn lol. Oh well, just a few more delivery quests! And, wow, I almost got eaten by a Kobold. Bloody hell! Thanks so much man! :P
EDIT: Sorry for more questions! Argh...Does a travelling merchant's rank increase the difficulty of robbing him? So, will a rank 94 be easier or harder to rob than, say, rank 20000 or something? Much much much appreciated!!
Post by: Max White on November 09, 2011, 01:25:52 am
Also, speed is always good, always.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 01:27:35 am
Also, speed is king in Elona, always.
Fixed that for you.
Post by: 3 on November 09, 2011, 01:30:26 am
Does a travelling merchant's rank increase the difficulty of robbing him? So, will a rank 94 be easier or harder to rob than, say, rank 20000 or something?
I think so, but be aware that rank 94 is extremely high. I mean extremely high. To put it in context, that value goes up by 1 each time you invest in a given shop. Most normal shops are 10-20.
Post by: Dave1004 on November 09, 2011, 01:31:59 am
Yea, dodge and protect... And it depends, are you trying to be able to dodge well or take hits well?
Also, speed is always good, always.
I, uh...Don't really know. I'm a warrior though! Probably protect, to be honest. Thanks for the info! :P
Does a travelling merchant's rank increase the difficulty of robbing him? So, will a rank 94 be easier or harder to rob than, say, rank 20000 or something?
I think so, but be aware that rank 94 is extremely high. I mean extremely high. To put it in context, that value goes up by 1 each time you invest in a given shop. Most normal shops are 10-20.
Oh, damn lol. Well, thanks man! I'm glad that I didn't attack him, I'd be wasted!
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 01:32:46 am
Also, Juere Claymores are queen in Elona, always.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
Does a travelling merchant's rank increase the difficulty of robbing him? So, will a rank 94 be easier or harder to rob than, say, rank 20000 or something?
I think so, but be aware that rank 94 is extremely high. I mean extremely high. To put it in context, that value goes up by 1 each time you invest in a given shop. Most normal shops are 10-20.
I wouldn't bother with trying to rob them until you're pretty high leveled anyhow, as they have a fairly strong force of guards. If you're looking for cash, just find a good lute, bless it, and start practicing your Performer skill on low leveled followers and townsfolk, assuming you have Performer.
Post by: Dave1004 on November 09, 2011, 01:53:04 am
Also, Juere Claymores are queen in Elona, always.
Fixed that for you.Does a travelling merchant's rank increase the difficulty of robbing him? So, will a rank 94 be easier or harder to rob than, say, rank 20000 or something?
I think so, but be aware that rank 94 is extremely high. I mean extremely high. To put it in context, that value goes up by 1 each time you invest in a given shop. Most normal shops are 10-20.
I wouldn't bother with trying to rob them until you're pretty high leveled anyhow, as they have a fairly strong force of guards. If you're looking for cash, just find a good lute, bless it, and start practicing your Performer skill on low leveled followers and townsfolk, assuming you have Performer.
No performer, none at all. I used a harmonica I had found, and died from a stone.
NEVER AGAIN...
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 01:59:37 am
Also, Fairy Pianists are queen in Elona, always.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
Fixed that for you.
/pyramid
Post by: Max White on November 09, 2011, 02:27:01 am
Also, Fairy Pianists are queen in Elona, always.I'm willing to endorse this statement.
Post by: Ogdibus on November 09, 2011, 02:33:20 am
Post by: kcwong on November 09, 2011, 03:20:16 am
No performer, none at all. I used a harmonica I had found, and died from a stone.
NEVER AGAIN...
Doing that in Vernis are you?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Loyter_crimson_of_Zanan
He's the second sick joke the game prepared for you. The first is the tutorial guy, Lomias.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Lomias_the_messenger_from_Vindale.
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 04:40:54 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 04:51:00 am
Start by genociding every bard you see.
Post by: Max White on November 09, 2011, 06:02:11 am
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 11:43:21 am
Thanks for answering my questions guys.
Post by: Blaze on November 09, 2011, 11:56:05 am
Hm okay so I read up a bit more on this. To find out when/where artifacts were created I read the scroll of oracle. It tells me a bow, a dagger, and a sword were created; the former in my home and the two latter in vernis like years ago. Does the oracle scroll list all artifacts that were generated? Does this mean the Stradivarius has not been generated yet?I'm guessing the Sword, Dagger, and Bow are Ragnarok, The Bow of Vinderre, and The Ether Dagger, respectively; all three are guaranteed artifacts.
Thanks for answering my questions guys.
Oracle scrolls list all "Special" artifacts - i.e. not randarts - that were created AFTER an oracle scroll was last read (So you won't see those 3 if you read another oracle scroll; unless another copy spawned). However, artifacts that are dropped by killing specific monsters (Stradivarius, Unknown Shell, Crimson Plate, etc) aren't held in the monster's inventory and will only appear after a monster "drops" it via the random loot mechanism; and thus will not appear on the oracle scroll.
On a similar note, the Sage's Helm and Diablo aren't "created" until you buy them; so they won't show up on an oracle scroll either.
So yes, the Strad has not been generated, but artifact monster drops can happen multiple times; so it's just a matter of killing until it does drop.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 12:04:18 pm
So, in short, that Bow of Vinderre and Ether Dagger is most likely gone, due to their wielders disappearing.
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 12:14:36 pm
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on November 09, 2011, 12:14:48 pm
I think how it works is that all bards inventories are static, and they will always have one musical instrument. If you kill them, and they don't drop their musical instrument, they will just respawn with the same one. But, if you kill them and they drop their musical instrument, when they generate next, they will have a new instrument, which might include a Stradivarius.
Obviously this makes kill them to get a strad a long and tedious process, but you can speed it up if you have pickpocket. By pickpocketing their musical instrument they will generate a new one, and you can repeat this until you get a strad.
If you don't have high pickpocket, you can wait for the winter festival in Noyel. The festival will generate 6+ fresh bards, killing them all gives you a very good chance of getting the strad. I got two strads from my first festival. If you don't get any, and you're not averse to some scummy gameplay, you can backup your save before entering Noyel and reload the backup if you don't get a strad.
So New Guy, does that mean the bow and the dagger are gone forever?
The dagger and the bow will both always spawn in Lomias' and Larnniere's inventory in the beginning of the game. You can get both artifacts at any time by killing them, unless you've told them to leave your house. You will encounter Lomias plenty of times in party time quests, so you shouldn't have any trouble getting his bow. But you will likely never encounter Larnniere again. Which is a real shame because her ether dagger totally rocks. It's probably the best weapon for fairy dual wielding with the lucky dagger.
That's why I always use the free nuke from the red blossom quest to kill those meddlesome elves in the beginning of the game.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 12:22:51 pm
Thanks for the detailed answer Blaze. So New Guy, does that mean the bow and the dagger are gone forever?
Not really, but you lost your chance of getting it at an earlier point in time. Artifacts in Elona keep getting generated, regardless if there's two of the same artifact in the game. Acquiring the same artifact while you have the other copy in your inventory will transmute the artifact into a generic one. In essence, if you have the ability to kill high-level monsters, you can farm Lomias for his bow, and all his subsequent bows that will transmute if you have a copy of the original in your inventory.
Problem is, where can you find the unique weapon wielders if they disappear? Lomias appears in parties, so that's no problem, but Larnierre doesn't appear anywhere, IIRC, aside from the Void, where all bosses can appear, and are tough as nuts.
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 12:26:42 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 12:40:35 pm
Should you be able to acquire said dagger, equip it on your toughest melee-oriented damage dealing pet, provided it has hands.
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 12:45:38 pm
The wiki says "Additionally, using a material kit/scroll on any item marked as 'precious' (non-randomly generated artifacts such as the Ring of Steel Dragon or Ragnarok), regardless of whether it is miracle/godly, will not change the material, but instead will reroll the item completely. This usually has little result, but might change one or two of the modifiers on the item assigned randomly."
Does that mean it might change the material and not too many modifiers?
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 12:52:37 pm
Post by: Vucar Fikodastesh on November 09, 2011, 12:55:37 pm
So what if I were to use a change material kit on it?
The wiki says "Additionally, using a material kit/scroll on any item marked as 'precious' (non-randomly generated artifacts such as the Ring of Steel Dragon or Ragnarok), regardless of whether it is miracle/godly, will not change the material, but instead will reroll the item completely. This usually has little result, but might change one or two of the modifiers on the item assigned randomly."
Does that mean it might change the material and not too many modifiers?
No, you can't change the material on special items.
The ether disease from ether items isn't actually all that bad. I always wear a vindale cloak, and I only equip the ether dagger before going into tough fights.
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 09, 2011, 01:00:26 pm
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 02:16:47 pm
Post by: beorn080 on November 09, 2011, 02:20:07 pm
Wow, I just got one of those traveling merchants and I bought a pistol off of him that has "It brings an end". I looked it up on the wiki and it summons dragons and stuff. That seems really cheaty!Replace cheaty with FUN.
Post by: Tarran on November 09, 2011, 02:21:44 pm
Wow, I just got one of those traveling merchants and I bought a pistol off of him that has "It brings an end". I looked it up on the wiki and it summons dragons and stuff. That seems really cheaty!Except that those things it summons are hostile to you. Oh, and, Netherwind. We can't forget that.
Post by: Tnx on November 09, 2011, 02:54:25 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 09, 2011, 02:56:44 pm
Post by: kcwong on November 09, 2011, 08:17:24 pm
Thanks for the detailed answer Blaze. So New Guy, does that mean the bow and the dagger are gone forever?
Not really, but you lost your chance of getting it at an earlier point in time. Artifacts in Elona keep getting generated, regardless if there's two of the same artifact in the game. Acquiring the same artifact while you have the other copy in your inventory will transmute the artifact into a generic one. In essence, if you have the ability to kill high-level monsters, you can farm Lomias for his bow, and all his subsequent bows that will transmute if you have a copy of the original in your inventory.
Problem is, where can you find the unique weapon wielders if they disappear? Lomias appears in parties, so that's no problem, but Larnierre doesn't appear anywhere, IIRC, aside from the Void, where all bosses can appear, and are tough as nuts.
I've seen Larnierre in party quest before - that's how I got Ether Dagger. She's just super super rare.
Post by: kcwong on November 12, 2011, 05:43:31 am
I've got one pair of Seven League Boots from one early wish, then another as random loot. Now I've got one wand of wishing on me and one in my house, and besides an altar I have no idea what else to wish for next.
Take a look at my save (1.16 Xmas version)... feel free to read a scroll of return and check my stashed items in my house and shop strongbox.
http://www.box.net/s/5937z6te19sknana3s9f
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 12, 2011, 05:52:35 am
Post by: Tarran on November 12, 2011, 05:54:23 am
Post by: Robsoie on November 12, 2011, 07:30:17 am
I got 2 of them from 2 wishes and they helped my charisma a lot with mutations giving bonus to it, allowing me to get more minions from the slave markets.
Post by: Patchy on November 12, 2011, 10:30:53 am
Post by: Robsoie on November 12, 2011, 10:45:19 am
Do summoned allies are limited by your charisma (so if you're at your max amout of followers, is the scroll wasted for nothing) ?
edit : save scummed to check, and indeed, it is limited by your charisma, so DO NOT use a scroll of ally if you have reached your max amount of followers, you'll lose such rare scroll without any benefit :
Quote
Every character may have at least 2 pets, plus one more pet for every five charisma starting from 10, up to a maximum total of fifteen pets.
From the wiki, it looks like it's weighted to summon a minion of your level, so apparently it's then better to not use the scroll until my character will reach some insane high level i guess..
But while the wiki mention it can summon a lower level follower instead, is it possible then that the scroll do the opposite : summon an ally that would be of higher level than you are ?
And would blessing those Ally scrolls actually have any benefit ?
Post by: Robsoie on November 12, 2011, 10:45:56 am
Post by: Patchy on November 12, 2011, 11:02:35 am
Post by: Robsoie on November 12, 2011, 11:48:57 am
Post by: justinlee999 on November 12, 2011, 12:10:51 pm
No one's selling potions of cure mutations, and the last time someone sold me those was when poison dripped from my hands.
Post by: Robsoie on November 12, 2011, 12:27:08 pm
Post by: Leatra on November 12, 2011, 05:48:28 pm
I have a husky voice mutation and I got a charisma hit, now I can't do escort quests in the meantime :RAGE:.Your best bet is visiting the magic shop in every town you travel to.
No one's selling potions of cure mutations, and the last time someone sold me those was when poison dripped from my hands.
Post by: justinlee999 on November 13, 2011, 11:06:03 am
Apparently it's possible to get some cure mutation potion in Blackjack in Palmia along cure corruption potionsWhile it is fairly easy to get potions of cure corruptions from Blackjack, how many wins in a row do you need to obtain cure mutation?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on November 13, 2011, 11:42:36 am
Post by: Flying Dice on November 13, 2011, 12:49:37 pm
I have a husky voice mutation and I got a charisma hit, now I can't do escort quests in the meantime :RAGE:.Your best bet is visiting the magic shop in every town you travel to.
No one's selling potions of cure mutations, and the last time someone sold me those was when poison dripped from my hands.
+1. I see multiple cure mutation pots practically every third visit to a magic shop.
Post by: kcwong on November 13, 2011, 07:54:20 pm
Post by: Seriyu on November 13, 2011, 07:58:21 pm
I have a husky voice mutation and I got a charisma hit, now I can't do escort quests in the meantime :RAGE:.
No one's selling potions of cure mutations, and the last time someone sold me those was when poison dripped from my hands.
You are investing in magic shops right? It improves their inventory and makes rarer items pop up more often. Of course you still need the money for the cure mutation potion, but.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 15, 2011, 08:06:02 pm
Post by: Vibhor on November 15, 2011, 08:24:24 pm
I have blessed mine and it still shows nothing and I can't even find it on the world map.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 15, 2011, 08:31:26 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on November 15, 2011, 08:47:28 pm
Is there any other easier way to find treasure from treasure maps?
I have blessed mine and it still shows nothing and I can't even find it on the world map.
Open your map, cross-reference it with this (http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3803/elonaenglishcp0nc4.png). I have yet to take more than three or four minutes to locate a treasure with that method. All you need to do is remember a formation of landmarks from the treasure map and find it on that, and then locate the exact overworld tile to dig on from there.
Post by: kcwong on November 15, 2011, 09:12:45 pm
What does the "It maintains [stat]" attribute do? Does it even do anything at all? Because I had a ring with maintain speed on it and my speed still went down from slow. Unless it's potentials or it was actually a stat other than speed on the ring.
It prevents bad things, e.g. diseases, from lowering your attributes. If you get all your attributes maintained then you can earn money by "dancing" a lot.
Post by: The Scout on November 15, 2011, 09:58:37 pm
Having a high charisma seems to do the same.What does the "It maintains [stat]" attribute do? Does it even do anything at all? Because I had a ring with maintain speed on it and my speed still went down from slow. Unless it's potentials or it was actually a stat other than speed on the ring.
It prevents bad things, e.g. diseases, from lowering your attributes. If you get all your attributes maintained then you can earn money by "dancing" a lot.
Post by: justinlee999 on November 16, 2011, 02:20:32 am
I thought it was 3. Maybe it's 4, but I forget.Isn't that... the potion of cure corruption?
I have won several of them from the casino now. Heck, it's the last month of the second year and I have completely no disease symptoms.
Also thanks for the suggestions guys, and yeah, I'm investing in magic shops every now and then, hope I do get a cure mutation this time around, no more poison dripping from my hands :).
Post by: Vibhor on November 16, 2011, 04:01:13 am
Is there any other easier way to find treasure from treasure maps?
I have blessed mine and it still shows nothing and I can't even find it on the world map.
Open your map, cross-reference it with this (http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3803/elonaenglishcp0nc4.png). I have yet to take more than three or four minutes to locate a treasure with that method. All you need to do is remember a formation of landmarks from the treasure map and find it on that, and then locate the exact overworld tile to dig on from there.
The problem is that the map shows some place which I am pretty sure doesn't exist.
Have a look for yourself.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tarran on November 16, 2011, 04:20:41 am
Post by: kcwong on November 16, 2011, 08:03:20 am
Post by: Ogdibus on November 16, 2011, 08:09:08 am
Post by: Vibhor on November 16, 2011, 09:22:17 am
I believe it's next to the Fort of Chaos (Beast), south of Derphy. See: 1.17/8 map (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/File:Northtyris117.png).
I see. The problem was mine then. I had an outdated version of the map.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 18, 2011, 02:00:28 am
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Post by: kcwong on November 18, 2011, 02:40:02 am
Post by: Ogdibus on November 18, 2011, 02:51:53 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 05:54:25 am
Is there a way to reset the mansion of younger sister map? Because I kind of.. well let the image speak for itself.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I believe that the Younger Sister's Mansion doesn't regenerate. So no fixing that.
Post by: Patchy on November 18, 2011, 02:41:12 pm
Anyways after the fires burn themselves out or you manage to put them out somehow, I guess you could use a rod of create wall/door to rebuild their mansion. And then you can buy them some new furniture to refurnish their mansion with.
Post by: Blaze on November 18, 2011, 02:58:36 pm
Spoiler: Available for use by dirty cheaters (click to show/hide)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on November 18, 2011, 04:33:55 pm
Now i'm curious...
*Goes to try it out*
Post by: Trapezohedron on November 18, 2011, 11:17:51 pm
Spoiler: Available for use by dirty cheaters (click to show/hide)
Oh right, forgot about that one.
Post by: Patchy on November 20, 2011, 08:02:20 pm
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Post by: Trapezohedron on November 21, 2011, 01:10:04 am
Thought I'd show off a nice artifact find I got earlier today.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Lulwy's trick? You lucky SoB! It's also ##### to boot! Congratulations.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 21, 2011, 02:18:50 am
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Post by: Ogdibus on November 21, 2011, 01:31:54 pm
Post by: Patchy on November 21, 2011, 07:39:01 pm
Post by: Vibhor on November 22, 2011, 02:14:30 am
Post by: Zangi on November 22, 2011, 03:14:41 am
Anybody knows how do I completely evade the taxes forever with no consequences?Don't play?
Kitty banks, but you still gotta pay something, much less at least. If I remember correctly...
Post by: Vibhor on November 22, 2011, 05:01:36 am
Anybody knows how do I completely evade the taxes forever with no consequences?Don't play?
Kitty banks, but you still gotta pay something, much less at least. If I remember correctly...
I have no problem with the amount. It the crawling back to my base and then going back to the law place so I could deliver my dues. It brings halt to my adventures in an annoying way.
Post by: Blaze on November 22, 2011, 05:20:38 am
Otherwise, you could just not visit Non-Derphy towns.
Post by: Deon on December 08, 2011, 02:02:52 pm
I don't play Elona that much so I improve it REALLY slowly, but if there's someone willing to use it, I may hurry up a bit.
(http://img.ie/870b9.png)
(http://img.ie/15306.png)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on December 08, 2011, 02:58:36 pm
Post by: Deon on December 08, 2011, 03:46:34 pm
That's Vernis with some changes to the ground tiles I've made today:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Come on, look at that sweet lighting, it requires some more detailed grass under it :P.
The old "uber bright" grass did not even give an impression of a night in a town, so all those lamps, lamp posts and windows were barely noticeable.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on December 08, 2011, 03:50:26 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on December 08, 2011, 03:54:21 pm
Nice.
Post by: Deon on December 08, 2011, 04:01:35 pm
Post by: Patchy on December 08, 2011, 05:19:10 pm
Those tilesets look spiffy though, and yours look pretty spiffy too. If you do complete them, I'd definately get them. Already have an improved faceset and some other stuff I found in the modding section of the elona forums.
Post by: Deon on December 08, 2011, 05:28:13 pm
Post by: Deon on December 08, 2011, 07:15:40 pm
(http://img.ie/93bc9.gif)
Post by: webadict on December 08, 2011, 07:46:46 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on December 09, 2011, 12:50:37 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 09, 2011, 03:22:32 am
Post by: Deon on December 09, 2011, 12:34:33 pm
By the way, I play Elona with Ultima music! Minoc music for Vernis FTW! If anyone is interested, I can upload the sound pack.
Post by: Deon on December 09, 2011, 02:17:32 pm
Also, a putit tile as a bonus.
(http://img.ie/3530b.png)
P.S. The work continues. Today I've smoothed palette and lowered color contrast on really glaring examples like carpets and hay walls: (http://img.ie/358c4.png)
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 09, 2011, 02:21:09 pm
This be lookin' nice indeed.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on December 09, 2011, 03:25:48 pm
Post by: Deon on December 09, 2011, 04:31:39 pm
Here's the 0.1 update:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ghzg7d6ga8m5wiu
Readme & credits:
Quote
Some important tiles (like grass, stone, dirt etc.) are resized/recolored/painted over versions of tiles from 2d Circle Tileset from www.lostgarden.com.
Items' (except for trees), faces' and character (except for a kobold, putit and a miner) changes are made by Kumiromi.
Other tiles are made by me, Deon.
Thank you.
Also here's the link to a bugfixed 1.22 .exe if someone didn't know: download 1.22 fixed (http://download1074.mediafire.com/njibp3ab6xjg/67n19ax968p6sc8/elona.exe)
Post by: Wolf Tengu on December 09, 2011, 05:44:07 pm
Which Ultima? I only briefly played IV. Some of the Elona musicis nice though.
Post by: Deon on December 09, 2011, 06:44:24 pm
Post by: Patchy on December 09, 2011, 06:47:01 pm
Post by: Deon on December 09, 2011, 07:17:58 pm
Post by: A Dwarven Smokeologist on December 09, 2011, 07:31:04 pm
Post by: Patchy on December 09, 2011, 11:49:50 pm
Why not 0.1? :) It has no glaring problems IMHO.
Oopse didn't see your other post with the link.
Post by: Deon on December 10, 2011, 06:59:54 am
Very interested in seeing what you would do with these tiles Deon ;)This will possibly end terrible, losing its japanese charm and acquiring some western-RPG taste... But some people may like it :P.
Post by: Leatra on December 10, 2011, 07:44:19 pm
I wish this game wasn't dead. I still play it from time to time.
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 10, 2011, 08:05:59 pm
Too bad I don't know how to program.
Post by: Blaze on December 10, 2011, 08:08:44 pm
As much as I like Noa, What the Science was he thinking?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on December 10, 2011, 08:24:49 pm
Post by: Leatra on December 10, 2011, 08:32:39 pm
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 02:25:27 am
There's a project to port it to java in progress though. I have a copy of the HSP source somewhere I think.Yup, and I hope they can somehow benefit from the tiles, I mean if they find a good artist and he does a great tileset, I will be happy! But if not, I hope I will be a bit useful :P. AFAIK most of the current Elona tiles are borrowed from different games and do not blend well.
Post by: Neonivek on December 11, 2011, 02:56:20 am
I bet Noa didn't think this game would be this popular.
Given the amount of stolen content and obvious "dumb jokes"... along with some outright hentai ideas...
I could believe that.
Post by: Seriyu on December 11, 2011, 04:22:28 am
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 05:58:37 am
This is a little something for those who can open their character.bmp and place sprites themselves:
Tiles for guys you see A LOT and which really bother me in Elona with their graphics.
Mercenary:
(http://img.ie/80912.png)
Guard:
(http://img.ie/00844.png)
The original guards are just weird and a bit distorted (and I dislike 3-pixel-high eyes). Mercenaries... Yeah, egg-headed guys in wife-beaters do not look like mercenaries to me.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you don't know how to use these, just wait for another update: I've made new merchant sprites, as well as fixed some other sprites like cooks having moustache (while they can be any gender).
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 11, 2011, 06:01:55 am
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 07:28:11 am
The whole tileset will take a huge amount of time to finish, there're tons of NPC types.
For now, for you: new merchant (male), merchant (female), prostitute (female), elder and punk sprites:
(http://img.ie/723b6.png) (http://img.ie/57356.png) (http://img.ie/3cc03.png) (http://img.ie/4a60c.png) (http://img.ie/bc3c8.png)
I will release an update later today.
Post by: Leatra on December 11, 2011, 07:30:47 am
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 08:05:27 am
And it's understandable, there were no dedicated sprite artists and it was a personal project.
Also, an update to my previous post (added 2 more sprites). Sadly the slave traders use the merchant tile, so no special "pimp" look :(.
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 11, 2011, 08:07:30 am
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 08:41:32 am
Here're male/female rogue sprites:
(http://img.ie/33772.png)
Today will probably be a "derphy" update :P. Prostitutes, rogues, vendors...
Also I will most likely include a separate file with the sound files I use. Derphy uses "happymarch.mid" which is definitely happy. Doesn't fit a rogue sinkhole theme :>.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on December 11, 2011, 09:37:40 am
All of the stuff is from open source uhhh, sources. I don't think any of it is stolen.It isn't open source, Noa just obtained permission to redistribute it, if you wanted to distribute the game yourself with the tiles, you'd need to go and ask every person who's work is used in the game. Noa even said as much in the post where he made the source available.
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 09:46:31 am
(http://img.ie/74127.png)
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 11, 2011, 09:52:19 am
That said, I think the goggles could use a little more polishing, since quite frankly, with all that color palette in the face, they look like Ape Escape monkeys. I don't mean to offend, but that's just how I see it.
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 10:38:52 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
P.S. DAMN YOU! CANNOT UNSEE! I will try to make it to look less like "BIG EYES OMG".
P.P.S. Better?
(http://img.ie/cb136.png)
Also, a new goblin (that existing one looked like a little jester... but not like a goblin).
(http://img.ie/967c4.png)
P.P.P.S. Beggars:
(http://img.ie/878ab.png)
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 01:38:03 pm
Healers:
(http://img.ie/2045c.png)
As a bonus, you get a small revamp of our beloved famous bandit. Ever wondered what he does with all the gold he gets from the newbies?
(http://img.ie/c1a84.png)
A bit of BLING! won't hurt. And a golden tooth...
P.S. Any characters which annoy you too much? I can fix it before I upload. Votes? :P
Post by: Eagle_eye on December 11, 2011, 02:54:58 pm
Post by: webadict on December 11, 2011, 03:02:10 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on December 11, 2011, 03:18:44 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 11, 2011, 06:43:03 pm
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 08:27:24 pm
Post by: Neonivek on December 11, 2011, 08:31:37 pm
All of the stuff is from open source uhhh, sources. I don't think any of it is stolen.It isn't open source, Noa just obtained permission to redistribute it, if you wanted to distribute the game yourself with the tiles, you'd need to go and ask every person who's work is used in the game. Noa even said as much in the post where he made the source available.
Ohh, though it doesn't change the meaning of what I said in essence.
Though I am sure someone will take it as me saying the game is bad... SOMEHOW...
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 08:44:54 pm
DOWNLOAD (http://www.mediafire.com/?koyamlcbn9399l7)
(http://img.ie/5ba26.png)
You may ignore the music, I just decided to put it in (a few more Kb), it's a subject to endless exploration before I set it up as I like.
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 11, 2011, 08:50:31 pm
Have you made changes to the player character sprites yet?
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2011, 09:13:29 pm
Post by: Deon on December 12, 2011, 02:08:01 pm
Sorry that I forgot about that demon eye, it will be fixed now.
Post by: Deon on December 13, 2011, 08:16:09 pm
DOWNLOAD (http://www.mediafire.com/?nz2sbc2nxjadbqt)
More NPCs were reworked. Most of Vernis should be. Also, various traders, male prostitute, flying eye, robbers and a few others.
Also better sounds for an arrow shot, teleport and miss.
Post by: Patchy on December 14, 2011, 12:38:49 am
Post by: Deon on December 14, 2011, 03:29:46 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 17, 2011, 12:07:09 am
Post by: Tiruin on December 17, 2011, 07:57:27 am
Post by: Deon on December 17, 2011, 08:34:21 am
Interesting. Is this compatible with Kumiromi's sprite pack? Or would it replace parts?I used some of Kumiromi's graphics, but of course it is not compatible since they replace the same files. But I went futher and changed more tiles (and replaces some of his tiles; his shopkeepers look like martial artists for example).
Since you are interested, I will upload an update soon, I've made more sprite changes (including Shena :P).
Post by: Deon on December 17, 2011, 08:55:21 am
http://www.mediafire.com/?l1m4ilsc3kaa4la
- Map tiles rework.
- Character sprites improvement.
- Some music changes (I found some music annoying, like happy march in rogue town or dingling music at home).
- Better teleport/arrow/miss sounds.
Post by: Kaitol on December 17, 2011, 11:10:09 am
Post by: Leatra on December 17, 2011, 02:03:27 pm
Post by: Kaitol on December 17, 2011, 02:20:35 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on December 17, 2011, 04:37:33 pm
Post by: Deon on December 17, 2011, 06:07:28 pm
My Sapphire Necklace looks like a Spring Onion. XDI know, some amulets looks like an onion. I will change it, it's probably a problem with Kumiromi's sprite pack which I based mine on :).
Is there anyway to get different sprites for the different player races? It odd playing as a fairy or dwarf but looking like a normal person.I don't think there's a way to do so, so just pick a proper look :).
Post by: quinnr on December 17, 2011, 08:51:59 pm
Post by: Hitty40 on December 17, 2011, 08:58:54 pm
Okay, so I really want to get into this game, but I am having a hard time. Between the interface and all the places to go and no clue what to do, I feel lost. Is there any sort of beginner's guide or anything (other than the in-game tutorial that does little more than teach the keystrokes) that I could read? Or any general tips on where to go when you start a game?
Not really, but I recommend you do some courier jobs for awhile, make some good gold and gear from that.
Post by: Acperience on December 17, 2011, 09:06:03 pm
Okay, so I really want to get into this game, but I am having a hard time. Between the interface and all the places to go and no clue what to do, I feel lost. Is there any sort of beginner's guide or anything (other than the in-game tutorial that does little more than teach the keystrokes) that I could read? Or any general tips on where to go when you start a game?
1 Head to Vernis
2 Get your Pet
3 Look on the job board for some escort/delivery jobs
4 Head to Palmia or Yowyn
5a Head tot he Truce ground and pick a god
5b Repeat 3
6a Head to Puppy cave and try to rescue Poppy
6b Head to Lesimas floor 3 and trigger the main story
6c Bandit Hideout Quest in Vernis
6d Gene Engineer Quest in Port Kapul
7 Repeat 3 in Port Kapul, Derphy, and Lumiest
8 Visit Noyel
9 Slime quest in Vernis
10a Make money, by doing 3 wherever you can
10b Clear randomly generated dungeons around the world
By now you should do whatever you feel like.
Use the wiki for help.
Post by: Blaze on December 17, 2011, 09:17:10 pm
There's also a fairly active forum (http://elona.squares.net/forum/).
Then there's a fairly extensive Wiki (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki) as well.
As with all .wikia sites, I'd recommend either registering/logging in or using an adblocker.
Feeling lost in a sandbox game is natural, as there IS no real path aside from one you make yourself.
In the meantime, do what Hitty said and grind some quests for $$$ and platinum. Avoid hunting quests, party time quests, or quests that take you to Noyel, and avoid fighting UNLESS you chose a non-magic class MEANT for fighting; locate a non-cursed ranged weapon/ammo and start building that up otherwise.
Collect food in the wilderness (Press enter on a wilderness tile); healthy leaves and edible plants are edible and other junk items such as "junk stone" and "skeletons" occasionally appear in I Want This/Birthday quests.
Hold on to your starting level-up skill points; use platinum to train your skills and use your bonus skill points to train them once it's too expensive to use platinum.
If you didn't take the "prevent cursed whispering" feat at the beginning, remember to remove all of your equipment before falling asleep.
Don't bother identifying equipment that you're going to sell, as it's far too expensive to do so at your level.
Post by: Niveras on December 17, 2011, 09:55:54 pm
Blew up Palmia for the first time. Wouldn't you know it, got Shena's Panties while I was cleaning up the ruins. Too bad I already wasted 15 coins on buying firearms skill - playing a fairy and didn't want to chance how long it would take to find a ranged weapon/ammo weighing less than 1.
Post by: Deon on December 18, 2011, 12:52:39 am
Post by: Ogdibus on December 18, 2011, 07:11:35 am
Post by: Deon on December 20, 2011, 09:16:12 am
Which reminds me, do people like the current character creation and details? It would be quite a chore to remake it.Is there anyway to get different sprites for the different player races? It odd playing as a fairy or dwarf but looking like a normal person.
They can be added as a "body" type, but the normal hair, eyes, and clothes won't work with body types that aren't proportioned like the existing ones. You could always add some of those parts too, but it's a lot more work. Each player/clothing sprite sheet has twelve sprites, I think, and you would have to make sixteen sheets, just to have one set of clothing and a body for each sex. That's just for one race, too.
Post by: Kaitol on December 20, 2011, 12:38:13 pm
Post by: Patchy on December 20, 2011, 11:55:13 pm
Which reminds me, do people like the current character creation and details? It would be quite a chore to remake it.Is there anyway to get different sprites for the different player races? It odd playing as a fairy or dwarf but looking like a normal person.
They can be added as a "body" type, but the normal hair, eyes, and clothes won't work with body types that aren't proportioned like the existing ones. You could always add some of those parts too, but it's a lot more work. Each player/clothing sprite sheet has twelve sprites, I think, and you would have to make sixteen sheets, just to have one set of clothing and a body for each sex. That's just for one race, too.
They're nice enough as is I think, and I do have a few of my own creations for the current pc sprites. But if you wanted to redo them too, I most certainly wouldn't complain. I wouldn't blame you for skipping them though, as you said it'd be quite the chore.
Post by: Moogie on December 22, 2011, 05:30:21 pm
Is there some unknown bug in this version where casino chips cannot be found in material spots? Seriously; I'm level 9, 29 hours into the game, have 200 driftwood/pebbles/charcoal and a massive assortment of other materials. Yet I have never - not even once - found a chip, besides the ten free ones you get when you first play at a table.
It's starting to get a little frustrating. :/
(Several days later edit) Nobody? I still haven't found a single casino chip. OR Yen coins, for that matter.
Also, what is the little orange 'wings' symbol next to some equipment attributes?
Post by: Soylentgreenery on December 27, 2011, 10:58:54 pm
I can't seem to find ANY casino chips since I picked this game back up a few days ago. I'm running 1.22 with the 'fan patch' installed (fixes the blackjack display bug, amongst other things).
Is there some unknown bug in this version where casino chips cannot be found in material spots? Seriously; I'm level 9, 29 hours into the game, have 200 driftwood/pebbles/charcoal and a massive assortment of other materials. Yet I have never - not even once - found a chip, besides the ten free ones you get when you first play at a table.
It's starting to get a little frustrating. :/
Had the exact same problem playing 1.22+patch a few months ago. I did not find a single Casino Chip, save for the 10 that you get when playing for the first time. Not a total game-breaking problem, but it does make Cure Corruption potions harder to acquire. Can't remember if I had the same problem with Coins though. I've gone back to the x-mas version
Post by: Hitty40 on December 27, 2011, 11:17:36 pm
Post by: Moogie on December 29, 2011, 10:55:02 am
I can't seem to find ANY casino chips since I picked this game back up a few days ago. I'm running 1.22 with the 'fan patch' installed (fixes the blackjack display bug, amongst other things).
Is there some unknown bug in this version where casino chips cannot be found in material spots? Seriously; I'm level 9, 29 hours into the game, have 200 driftwood/pebbles/charcoal and a massive assortment of other materials. Yet I have never - not even once - found a chip, besides the ten free ones you get when you first play at a table.
It's starting to get a little frustrating. :/
Had the exact same problem playing 1.22+patch a few months ago. I did not find a single Casino Chip, save for the 10 that you get when playing for the first time. Not a total game-breaking problem, but it does make Cure Corruption potions harder to acquire. Can't remember if I had the same problem with Coins though. I've gone back to the x-mas version
*Edit: Hm. Did some browsing on the official forum and discovered there are a lot of even newer versions being created by the Japanese community. From the discussion, it even sounded like they're compatable (i.e. translated) for the English version. :o
Here's the direct link to the post with the download, you can read the rest of the thread from there, someone listed the changelog and it sounds rather awesome: http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4777&start=210#p30371
Post by: Leatra on December 29, 2011, 01:46:37 pm
Post by: Moogie on December 30, 2011, 06:40:39 pm
There's several features I'm really loving so far:
Pets don't eat food off the ground, meaning they won't steal corpses if I don't get there in time. You can still give them food, though, and they'll eat it, but they'll refuse to take Cursed or Poisoned stuff.
NPCs may drop bottles of blood, eggs, shit, and occasionally water, when they die. In fact, the first bottle of water I've found on this character is a "bottle of old man water". ...Not sure if want... :|
You now choose your recipe when you cook. This is my favourite improvement by far. I stick to cooking low-skill foods like "fried x" or "x cookies" so there's less chance of failure when grinding, and then when I find quests asking for specific foods, I can focus my attempts on cooking exactly what they need.
There's also supposed to be a menu that pops up after Party Time quests, giving you a chance to grab any tossed loot you missed, but I've never seen it... maybe that's on a more recent beta version or something.
Anyway, highly recommend this version to anyone thinking of picking up the game after a long break. It's certainly done a lot to refresh the gameplay for me. :)
Post by: Robsoie on December 30, 2011, 06:49:56 pm
Thanks for reporting this, the "customize your minions AI" sounds rather interesting.
Once i'm finished with save scuming my character repeatedly in the xmas version, i'll give a try to this new one.
Post by: Moogie on December 30, 2011, 07:16:25 pm
The three most popular forks appear to be Omake, ORE Hack and ELM. As far as I can make out, ELM (the version I've been using) is a modified version of ORE. I can't read Japanese, and the only difference I can find is that it mentions "aphrodisiac" a lot... and something to do with the Ether disease...?? I dunno. xD
Omake sounds like a more 'faithful' fork, based on 1.22 official, and mostly deals with bugfixes. But it also contains all those new systems (pet AI control, et al), and gives toggle options for all the new stuff in case you don't want them. It sounds like the most feature-advanced fork, in terms of new stuff added.
I could be wrong, but that's what Google Translate is telling me. I'm tempted to start a new game using Omake actually.
Post by: snelg on December 31, 2011, 07:35:42 am
Post by: Leatra on December 31, 2011, 01:50:15 pm
Post by: Moogie on December 31, 2011, 04:18:16 pm
Because something very bad is happening right now...
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Blaze on December 31, 2011, 04:23:35 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 31, 2011, 05:12:55 pm
Spoiler: CHEAT (click to show/hide)
Post by: Moogie on December 31, 2011, 06:59:19 pm
Heheh, I did that once. Except with fire bolts.Spoiler: CHEAT (click to show/hide)
Will that mark my character as a 'cheater' in any way? Does it require Wizard mode? (I've never used it before)
Post by: Blaze on December 31, 2011, 07:15:41 pm
Except in your head.
Post by: Moogie on December 31, 2011, 09:42:26 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on December 31, 2011, 09:43:37 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on December 31, 2011, 11:17:15 pm
Um... quick question... does the Little Sisters' Mansion respawn?
Because something very bad is happening right now...Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bad? I thought you were just celebrating New Years Eve.
Post by: Moogie on December 31, 2011, 11:24:12 pm
I woulda let it all burn to the ground, but I was running out of places to stand and watch without getting singed. I don't know how it started, but I suspect a sister-clone drank a motolov and exploded herself.
Post by: tochi on January 01, 2012, 02:06:52 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 01, 2012, 02:13:33 am
Anyone know what the formula is for the minimum level required (with monster heart) to dominate a level X monster?If you have the heart, your current level + 10 must be equal to the monster level or more to dominate it.
Post by: tochi on January 01, 2012, 02:19:23 am
Post by: hachnslay on January 01, 2012, 10:03:50 am
Post by: Moogie on January 01, 2012, 02:34:16 pm
so, which language is the dev stuff?
You mean what is it coded in? Hot Soup Processor (HSP).
Edit: Is there any way to see pets' Ether Disease symptoms? I tried paying the 10k to look at his sheet, but it only let me view his skills list. Poor guy has extremely advanced disease and is picking up new symptoms every few days... he must have at least 30 by now. There's no way I'm wasting my cure pots on him, though. :P
Post by: tochi on January 01, 2012, 10:32:54 pm
Edit: Is there any way to see pets' Ether Disease symptoms? I tried paying the 10k to look at his sheet, but it only let me view his skills list. Poor guy has extremely advanced disease and is picking up new symptoms every few days... he must have at least 30 by now. There's no way I'm wasting my cure pots on him, though. :P
Uh, I was under the impression that only the PC could get ether disease. That's why I feed my pets shining hedgehog corpses and let them carry around ether equipment. Nothing bad's ever happened in 5 years of gameplay (well, nothing bad to THEM, at least...). I'm also pretty sure that the time period between one symptom and another appearing should be far longer than a few days unless you habitually walk around during etherwind or load yourself up with all the ether equipment you can find (even then, I don't know if that's enough to speed up the rate that much). Maybe something else is happening?
edit: Oh, I read in the last few pages that you're playing a fanmade version. Does that one introduce ether disease for pets? I'm still stuck in 1.16rfix2b.
Post by: Moogie on January 01, 2012, 10:41:09 pm
Town NPCs seem to be able to get, and cure, disease symptoms too. I saw the message "Blahblah the Blacksmith's Ether Disease symptoms are greatly cured!" earlier today.
Post by: Tiruin on January 01, 2012, 10:42:35 pm
That NPC drank...a very special potion that you could've nicked off...
Post by: Moogie on January 01, 2012, 11:21:56 pm
Well, I didn't know he had that potion, but I don't have pickpocketing anyway so it's a moot point. x)
Post by: Robsoie on January 02, 2012, 04:24:22 am
Already in 1.16 (xmas version) i find that ether crap very annoying, i can't even imagine me playing one that makes the ether even worse.
Post by: Tarran on January 02, 2012, 05:22:57 am
Post by: hachnslay on January 02, 2012, 05:29:05 am
Post by: Tiruin on January 02, 2012, 05:34:11 am
Do town quests or go to a dungeon for shelter. Or go home.
Post by: Tarran on January 02, 2012, 05:41:55 am
just chug a blessed potion every few diseases, should be enough. The same version gives me about 10 times the number of casino chips and 500 (Yen) coins. And don't forget the potions you get for marrying your pets. also: the ether winds are always in the same weeks for me ...This assumes you have good luck with not only getting cure disease potions. Which is easy in most cases, but there is a potential to not get one or either of them. You're also assuming you'll be able to get a bunch of them, which also has a potential of not happening.
If it did NOT change. Etherwind occurs every FIRST TEN DAYS of every THIRD MONTH (so that's for the first 10 days in the 3rd,6th,9th and 12th month).I'm pretty sure everyone knows that.
That doesn't help that dude that had a long trip who suddenly gets rain and he just gets in town as the wind is about to blow.
Or the dude who was just SLIGHTLY short of the needed attention of what month it is.
Post by: Leatra on January 02, 2012, 08:11:39 am
Post by: hachnslay on January 02, 2012, 01:06:24 pm
scroll of return.just chug a blessed potion every few diseases, should be enough. The same version gives me about 10 times the number of casino chips and 500 (Yen) coins. And don't forget the potions you get for marrying your pets. also: the ether winds are always in the same weeks for me ...This assumes you have good luck with not only getting cure disease potions. Which is easy in most cases, but there is a potential to not get one or either of them. You're also assuming you'll be able to get a bunch of them, which also has a potential of not happening.If it did NOT change. Etherwind occurs every FIRST TEN DAYS of every THIRD MONTH (so that's for the first 10 days in the 3rd,6th,9th and 12th month).I'm pretty sure everyone knows that.
That doesn't help that dude that had a long trip who suddenly gets rain and he just gets in town as the wind is about to blow.
Or the dude who was just SLIGHTLY short of the needed attention of what month it is.
unless you are doing the "Before it's too late" quests you are free to use them wherever you want to. and if you are doing " before it's too late" quests you should leave 3-4 days puffer before etherwind to stop questing and get somewhere safe.
Post by: Tarran on January 02, 2012, 02:10:46 pm
It's been a while, but I remember not having any Return scrolls at all for a decent while.
Also, it's not just Before It's Too Late quests that give Karma loss, it's ANY delivery or escort quests I believe.
Post by: Blaze on January 02, 2012, 03:45:37 pm
So just plan ahead.
Post by: Tarran on January 02, 2012, 03:53:41 pm
As I mentioned, that still doesn't help the guy who gets a freak rainstorm at the wrong time and gets to the town late or the guy who isn't paying attention for just a second.
Post by: Moogie on January 02, 2012, 06:42:04 pm
Post by: Max White on January 02, 2012, 06:44:28 pm
Post by: Tarran on January 02, 2012, 06:47:55 pm
Well, shit happens, it's a roguelike. It isn't mean to be forgiving or easy. :) I like the added challenge. Plus, as someone else mentioned, it gets balanced out by a few things like higher incidence of casino chips.But there's still challenge with the old ways, no? Less chips, slower Ether, still balanced.
It wouldn't be a roguelike if the RNG didn't punish you for breathing. After all, Xom watches over us all... Always.Thing is, there's a limit on how much power you give the RNG before it turns from "Oh goddammit RNG" into "FUCK YOU RNG I'M NOT PLAYING ANYMORE".
Every few steps seems like it's leaning into the latter for me. I'm all fine for the RNG screwing me up, but in my opinion there has to be limits.
Post by: Vibhor on January 02, 2012, 09:41:08 pm
Well, shit happens, it's a roguelike. It isn't mean to be forgiving or easy. :) I like the added challenge. Plus, as someone else mentioned, it gets balanced out by a few things like higher incidence of casino chips.But there's still challenge with the old ways, no? Less chips, slower Ether, still balanced.It wouldn't be a roguelike if the RNG didn't punish you for breathing. After all, Xom watches over us all... Always.Thing is, there's a limit on how much power you give the RNG before it turns from "Oh goddammit RNG" into "FUCK YOU RNG I'M NOT PLAYING ANYMORE".
Every few steps seems like it's leaning into the latter for me. I'm all fine for the RNG screwing me up, but in my opinion there has to be limits.
Why are you arguing over such a petty matter?
Its not like that version affects you in any way. Even if you did mistakenly download the hard ass version then go ahead and download a different one. You DO have a choice.
On the other hand, if a hard ass version would not exist then the people who want to play it would not be able to play it. They would have NO choice. So existence of this hard ass version is good for everyone.
Post by: Tarran on January 02, 2012, 09:59:30 pm
Why are you arguing over such a petty matter?Why am I supposedly the only one who is arguing?
As for why I'm arguing, I'm arguing because, well, I guess I feel like my opinion is being attacked. A bit lightly, yes, but still being attacked.
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Its not like that version affects you in any way.Well, if it becomes the standard version that everyone works on, it'll be like 40D Dwarf Fortress Vs. 31.
Admittedly I didn't do any research into whether it will become the standard version or not...
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On the other hand, if a hard ass version would not exist then the people who want to play it would not be able to play it. They would have NO choice. So existence of this hard ass version is good for everyone.Am I saying it shouldn't exist? No, I'm not.
Post by: justinlee999 on January 02, 2012, 11:22:45 pm
Post by: Moogie on January 03, 2012, 02:52:53 am
Regarding the whole "challenge" discussion, I hope none of my responses towards you made you feel 'attacked', Tarran, as they weren't meant to. The reason I enjoy these newer versions is not really because they make the game harder or easier than before, but because they just add new content, greatly expand the information in the character sheet, give a (IMO) vital 'sound fx' volume control in the options (amongst other things), fix the blackjack display bug, and just generally add new interesting stuff to experience. Like you said, lesser ether wind/less casino chips balances out to be about the same difficulty either way, but those versions also lack many things I consider to be important fixes and improvements. I suppose what I meant to say originally, is that it exchanges long-term difficulty with short-term difficulty; Etherwind hits you hard and fast, but you can get over it much quicker than before, if you're smart about it.
Eh, this is probably illegible, I wrote it before going to bed... sorry for any confusion. xD
Post by: Vibhor on January 03, 2012, 12:34:40 pm
On the other hand, if a hard ass version would not exist then the people who want to play it would not be able to play it. They would have NO choice. So existence of this hard ass version is good for everyone.Am I saying it shouldn't exist? No, I'm not.
Then you are arguing without a point and in this process wasting your AND the other guy's time. But time is not of value here FOR THIS IS THE INTERNET! A place where people can waste 10 hours watching a loop of a cat whose body is poptart.
In all seriousness though, knock it off. You are creating an atmosphere of hostility for everyone.
Also, I preferred to quote you because YOU were the one that lit the match of the flames of the internet argument.
I mean no harm. May you be happy and dream of fluffy kittens/cute babies(whatever pleases your fantasy)
Post by: Tarran on January 03, 2012, 03:20:57 pm
Then you are arguing without a point and in this process wasting your AND the other guy's time.How is it wasting a person's time if I point out problems with their points?
Is it wasting of time if someone says "Let's all eat candy from now on! Everyone will be happy since it tastes so good!" and someone else says "But candy is bad for you!"?
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In all seriousness though, knock it off. You are creating an atmosphere of hostility for everyone.It's counteractive to make me angry while trying to make me stop being angry.
And I really don't see how anyone could get upset. My posts are best read in an almost apathetic voice.
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Also, I preferred to quote you because YOU were the one that lit the match of the flames of the internet argument.I stated an opinion, people responded, I pointed out problems while not making any points myself.
I don't really see how I started any flames.
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I mean no harm. May you be happy and dream of fluffy kittens/cute babies(whatever pleases your fantasy)I prefer frogs, personally.
Regardless, I've lost interest in this argument. So you get your wish.
Post by: Vibhor on January 04, 2012, 04:13:05 am
And I really don't see how anyone could get upset. My posts are best read in an almost apathetic voice.
I found the post to be quite aggressive but then again, life is all flowers and cakes for me.
ANYWAYS!
Does anybody know which version would be the best to start with? I downloaded the one from the site and it sucks(buggy black jack). Links would be preferable.
Post by: Tarran on January 04, 2012, 04:46:36 am
Since you're already using 1.22, just download the fan patch.
The casino screen is one of the bugs fixed by Singularity's patch, I linked it a few pages back I think, I'll go look.
Pshoom: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13554027/elona.zip
Post by: Robsoie on January 04, 2012, 04:58:00 am
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/file/elona_xmas.zip
Post by: Vibhor on January 04, 2012, 11:24:08 am
Personnally the version i had the less problems with is the last release of the 1.16 serie, the "xmas" version
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/file/elona_xmas.zip
Are you sure the link is correct?
It gives me a 404.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on January 04, 2012, 12:24:12 pm
I'm guessing this is the one he speaks of
Post by: Leatra on January 04, 2012, 12:49:20 pm
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/file/elona116rfix2b.zipThat's 1.16reloaded fix2b. Link to the xmas version is dead I suppose.
I'm guessing this is the one he speaks of
I got the "2009 Christmas Edition" but I suppose there is a "2009 Christmas Edition fix 1" version if you take a look at the changelog. I couldn't find it but this one is still stable and doesn't have any bugs.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog
The only difference I noticed between xmas and reloaded fix2b is Festival of Jure.
I forgot where I downloaded it from but...
Here, I hope I didn't forget anything.
Edit: Link removed. It would be wise to download from the link Robsoie provided rather than mine.
Post by: Robsoie on January 04, 2012, 04:00:13 pm
The correct download url is there :
http://elona.squares.net/elona_xmas.zip
the xmas version was the latest version of the 1.16 serie, the rfix2b was older.
Post by: Gargols on January 07, 2012, 04:35:14 pm
Does anybody know how to level up allies/Pets?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on January 07, 2012, 04:38:39 pm
Post by: Gargols on January 07, 2012, 04:51:46 pm
They use any gold they pick up to train their skills when in town, IIRC.
Alright. Good to know so far. The only good NPCs I had so far were Horses.
You got any Idea where I can get a good NPC elsewhere? The Slave Master only sells shitty companions.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on January 07, 2012, 04:54:38 pm
Post by: Gargols on January 07, 2012, 04:58:43 pm
You can capture monsters with Monster Balls or Rods of Domination.
kk. Just need to find better ones then. Thanks so far..
Also - any other tips maybe?
I'm trying to get some Money to get a Cozy House and move out of the Cave, but it's kinda hard to get 60k.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on January 07, 2012, 04:59:45 pm
Post by: Gargols on January 07, 2012, 05:04:44 pm
How to get those Wishes? I haven't been able to get one so far.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on January 07, 2012, 05:05:52 pm
Post by: Gargols on January 07, 2012, 05:10:18 pm
Drinking from wells occasionally gives wishes, just have some dye or acid on hand to deal with aliens.Lol, okay. I'll try that. Thanks for the help.
Post by: Gargols on January 07, 2012, 05:45:25 pm
Half Palmia is burning down since I started drinking from a Fountain and a freaking Fire Dragon popped out..
Post by: Blaze on January 07, 2012, 05:57:12 pm
Post by: Leatra on January 07, 2012, 06:09:22 pm
There is a good way to get money but it's difficult.You can capture monsters with Monster Balls or Rods of Domination.But it's kinda hard to get 60k.
1. Go to Derphy and talk to Noel in the pub.
2. Accept the quest, buy the nuke (it costs 12k) and start the Red Blossom in Palmia quest. Bomb is heavy and you may need to drop some of your items at your house to carry it.
3. Go to the inn at Palmia and use it on the top of teddy bear there. You have 10 turns to get out. If you manage to reach the 2 left-most cell columns of Palmia by, you will not be hit by the explosion. Or, use an escape scroll and let 8 turns pass by. Next, use the nuke on the teddy bear and walk a step. You should then be teleported outside. Walk to the square left of Palmia and then back into Palmia again. Reenter Palmia and you should now be on the very left of Palmia city. Keep walking down until you reach the bottom-left edge of Palmia. The nuke blast won't reach you here.
4. Stick around Derphy until you have a higher Karma so guards won't attack you. Methods of raising your Karma is here: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Karma
After you done all this. You can get money by prostution. Your karma won't take a hit and you can get money as long as you keep getting NPCs drunk. Also, your charisma will raise very quickly. Getting 60k will take like 4 minutes if you are quick. I managed to save up to 1.000.000 (1M) (one million) GP with this method in like half an hour.
Post by: Gargols on January 07, 2012, 06:19:01 pm
Post by: snelg on January 07, 2012, 06:20:09 pm
Post by: Leatra on January 07, 2012, 08:10:51 pm
Good, I'll try that. I'm excited about using the Nuke!I forgot to say, when you do the quest you get "Secret treasure of the wicked" as a reward. You have to use it to make sure you don't take karma hit for prostution. You will receive a 25% reduction to all karma penalties after you use it. Your max. karma will be reduced to 0 (not a big deal if you got money) and things that cost you 1 karma (stealing and prostution, can't think of any other) will no longer have a karma hit.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Red_Blossom_in_Palmia
This can help too. Try not to die after you use the Nuke. I killed myself because of it and had to stick around Derphy for 3 months because of the massive karma hit :D
You'll still have to do escort and delivery quests for platinum coins though.
Prostution pays of around 5k for me each time I do it (I have 87 Charisma)
Post by: apostolus on February 20, 2012, 11:11:13 am
Post by: Blaze on February 20, 2012, 01:20:11 pm
AFAIK, the only way to gain weight is to eat constantly, you'll eventually gain a bit of weigh when eating; food type doesn't seem to matter.
Post by: Patchy on February 20, 2012, 01:27:02 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 20, 2012, 01:28:05 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 08, 2012, 03:57:45 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 08, 2012, 03:59:25 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 08, 2012, 04:09:48 am
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 08, 2012, 04:27:07 am
Post by: Leatra on March 08, 2012, 05:02:00 am
I once got a rod of wishing from my farm though.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 08, 2012, 05:02:41 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 08, 2012, 05:03:22 am
How do I tell how close I am to getting things from Mani?
Post by: Leatra on March 08, 2012, 05:14:05 am
Well I had like, 10 seeds, but got impatient and planted them before I got my gardening skill up.When you make the last sacrifice needed to get the reward he is supposed to say "Truly, you are an ideal believer. I'm impressed." but he won't say it again if you make other sacrifices. So pay attention to that while you are sacrificing stuff at the altar.
How do I tell how close I am to getting things from Mani?
You can also try savescumming. Pray and if you don't get what you want use the older save.
Oh and if you didn't know, there is an explanation of favor calculation here (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Favor)
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 08, 2012, 05:17:07 am
IIRC, converting to another deity will make you lose the ability to make seeds out of rotten food, so yeah.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 09, 2012, 08:02:20 am
That sounds a little interesting.
For Gods I ended up going for that one which likes ore or something. I think I got the Golden Knight or whatever it is- As I haven't played in awhile I intend to breed myself a new character, if that works...
Post by: Micro102 on March 11, 2012, 01:14:06 am
Post by: Sir Finkus on March 16, 2012, 02:46:05 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 16, 2012, 02:46:45 pm
Post by: Tarran on March 16, 2012, 03:13:27 pm
Post by: Leatra on March 16, 2012, 03:39:32 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 16, 2012, 04:07:35 pm
NEVER do a quest >= your level. You always need to be stronger then what it says.
NEVER wear cursed stuff unless you don't have access to a scroll of uncurse and it has some stupidly powerful attributes.
For that level there is a very nice way to handle it. Those blue slimes? They spill poison when hurt/dead. Have a few white putits between you and one of those in a small corridor and use their acid to kill the majority of the monsters. Just make sure you can tank a white putit.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 16, 2012, 04:10:47 pm
Shurikens are pretty snazzy too, they can cause bleeding which is great damage.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 16, 2012, 04:50:43 pm
It does 1d 27 though, and i'm only level 5, what do I do with it?
Post by: Blaze on March 16, 2012, 05:09:24 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 16, 2012, 05:16:28 pm
Post by: Blaze on March 16, 2012, 05:21:28 pm
Highlight the item on your inventory/equipment screen and press "x".
Post by: Sir Finkus on March 16, 2012, 05:35:51 pm
ALWAYS get your stuff identified first.Yeah, I know. The rest of this dungeon is rather easy as long as you avoid that room. I just didn't expect to teleport into the middle of it.
NEVER do a quest >= your level. You always need to be stronger then what it says.
NEVER wear cursed stuff unless you don't have access to a scroll of uncurse and it has some stupidly powerful attributes.
For that level there is a very nice way to handle it. Those blue slimes? They spill poison when hurt/dead. Have a few white putits between you and one of those in a small corridor and use their acid to kill the majority of the monsters. Just make sure you can tank a white putit.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 16, 2012, 05:43:53 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 16, 2012, 09:04:02 pm
Glasswork happy bed from a weak monster drop in puppy cave. Soooo lucky.
Also, anyone know where I can find really good bullets? I already have a kick-ass gun. 1d63 with darkness damage and a bunch of other stuff.
Post by: Leatra on March 17, 2012, 05:40:02 pm
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wow, that's a great gun.
Glasswork happy bed from a weak monster drop in puppy cave. Soooo lucky.
Also, anyone know where I can find really good bullets? I already have a kick-ass gun. 1d63 with darkness damage and a bunch of other stuff.
There are some firearms and ammo sellers at that building below Vernis. You can invest in them.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 17, 2012, 05:46:53 pm
How'd you start making scrolls? I want to start making material + scrolls again, but I forget how.
Oh, and the crossbow definately sucks my blood... it's killed me a few times, If I can't stop that effect i'll sell it.
Post by: Tarran on March 17, 2012, 05:55:28 pm
Don't ask why, I don't know why.
Post by: Micro102 on March 17, 2012, 06:13:00 pm
WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!Wow, that's a great gun.
Glasswork happy bed from a weak monster drop in puppy cave. Soooo lucky.
Also, anyone know where I can find really good bullets? I already have a kick-ass gun. 1d63 with darkness damage and a bunch of other stuff.
There are some firearms and ammo sellers at that building below Vernis. You can invest in them.
I just found out the gun is made of Ether.... Good thing I have a bunch of potions of cure corruption.
Post by: Tarran on March 17, 2012, 06:23:04 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 17, 2012, 06:25:28 pm
Turns out my gloves also suck my blood.
Haa...
Post by: Tarran on March 17, 2012, 06:27:20 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 17, 2012, 06:37:14 pm
Post by: 3 on March 17, 2012, 06:39:54 pm
I just found out the gun is made of Ether.... Good thing I have a bunch of potions of cure corruption.
I say give it to a bell or something. Changing the material isn't worth the risk unless the randart effects are really exceptional.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 17, 2012, 06:53:19 pm
Post by: Blaze on March 17, 2012, 07:11:46 pm
Post by: Tarran on March 17, 2012, 07:15:48 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 17, 2012, 07:17:59 pm
I'm not sure what to spend my platinums on, I've never progressed much apart from 'Sink alll points into sword-things-to-death'
Oh, and remind me, fame makes stronger monsters appear yes? I keep being wasped/ squirreled to death.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 17, 2012, 07:19:43 pm
Post by: Leatra on March 17, 2012, 07:19:54 pm
I know there are dungeon-y ones, but I mean the world map, or am Ii going mad? I swear there used to be ones, but there are none on this charactter.There are no longer any world map material spots in the latest fan-made version.
Dungeons have a crapload of them.
Edit: BTW, Ninja'd
And yes, fame equals stronger monsters but not all the time. Go fail some quests if you want weaker monsters :D
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 17, 2012, 07:20:53 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 17, 2012, 07:23:41 pm
So, what do you suggest I start sinking platinum into? I chose a Juere ( I think, unless it's the other one) Claymore, being my boring predictable self.
Post by: Farce on March 17, 2012, 07:24:04 pm
Fuck this gameThat happened on my first character. He was a pianist, and dropped his piano in there.I just got randomly teleported into this.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Several levels later, I came back, punched and wand-blasted the hell out of those slimes, and finally reclaimed my piano. Good times.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 17, 2012, 07:34:03 pm
Edit:Okay, I checked the log. It was because an NPC's learning expanded, so I cut him in half.
Oh, and bats are still evil and Lumiest is evil because the inn is far from where you enter. Starvation and ether sickness, ho!
Post by: EuchreJack on March 17, 2012, 10:31:19 pm
Dungeon difficulty is based mostly upon the rating of the dungeon.
Character level also factors into overall difficulty.
Post by: kcwong on March 17, 2012, 11:02:23 pm
I just found out the gun is made of Ether.... Good thing I have a bunch of potions of cure corruption.
I say give it to a bell or something. Changing the material isn't worth the risk unless the randart effects are really exceptional.
No, not good... pets cannot gain firearms skill via genetic modification. And if there's a pet with firearms skill, it's not worth using. Sorry but that gun is useless...
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 18, 2012, 12:00:24 am
Oh, and i'm about as strong as an Anemic fieldmouse, any ways I can boost my capacity (the coins maybe? I'd like to be able to carry stuff)
Oh, and I started reading in the middle of the throne room in Palmia. It was fun to watch.
Oh! I made some blessed water because I remember it can be useful, but I can't remember what for...
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 18, 2012, 02:33:09 am
But why are you so weak if you're a Juere Claymore? :P
Post by: kcwong on March 18, 2012, 02:43:11 am
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A character's weight limit is calculated using the formula: 45 + (Strength/2) + (Constitution/4) + (Weight Lifting*2)
You may learn Weight Lifting from the trainers in Yowyn and Noyel or from the fighters' guild trainer in Port Kapul.
You train Weight Lifting by performing actions such as walking around or searching for materials while Burdened or heavier; however, carrying more will not increase the rate at which it is trained.
While Weight Lifting will improve your maximum carry weight, it will not affect the maximum size of your inventory (200 items).
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But why are you so weak if you're a Juere Claymore?1/8 yoma blood perhaps? :P
Post by: Blaze on March 18, 2012, 06:25:28 am
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I've 52 platinum to spend on stuff. Anything useful at level 7?Purchase Weightlifting if you don't already have it.
Oh, and i'm about as strong as an Anemic fieldmouse, any ways I can boost my capacity (the coins maybe? I'd like to be able to carry stuff)
You'll eventually want to learn a ranged skill, unless you manage to find an uber panty or grenade. And you'll need Marksman in either case.
Sense Quality and Pickpocket; they won't help you in battle, but are relatively easy to raise and will pay for themselves.
Cooking, for moar stat boosts. Though you'll need Anatomy to actually GET corpses to cook.
Eye of Mind has a questionable return on investment, but it's still worth getting.
Speaking of Investment, you'll eventually want it, but you're going to need money to burn before it has any use at all.
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Oh! I made some blessed water because I remember it can be useful, but I can't remember what for...Mix it with an item to make it blessed, especially useful when you're wearing a cursed item.
Post by: justinlee999 on March 18, 2012, 08:10:10 am
Use uncurse scrolls instead, much more common.
Bless your best items instead.
Post by: Micro102 on March 18, 2012, 09:31:25 am
I just found out the gun is made of Ether.... Good thing I have a bunch of potions of cure corruption.
I say give it to a bell or something. Changing the material isn't worth the risk unless the randart effects are really exceptional.
What does the ether material give it? More damage? The darkness damage? Protections?
Also, what does blessing an item do to armor/gun/ect.?
If you have blessed water, mix it with a stack of oracle scrolls, like 10 of them. Oracle scrolls are mostly useless to you but are worth a lot at base value (thousands). You keep them until you find an NPC hero with a super item you want.
My 1d63 darkness damage protection from thieves ether pistol? Cost 12 blessed scrolls of oracle. Would of easily cost me hundreds of thousands of gold to buy in a shop.
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But why are you so weak if you're a Juere Claymore?I'm guessing a low strength during the reroll on character creation.
Post by: 3 on March 18, 2012, 09:41:15 am
Besides, kcwong is right. If it were a multi-roll gun instead of a pistol it'd scale a bit better with extremely fast pets and such, but as it is, it's not all that great. If you're still in the early game it'd probably still do fine though.
Post by: Micro102 on March 18, 2012, 10:17:17 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 18, 2012, 10:52:00 am
My boots are resisting all my uncurse scrolls, so i'm just trying to reduct the material then eat them.
I think i'll get that jeweller thing, some cooking and the ones which pay for themselves.
Which reminds me, what are those moongates for? To look at the pretty stuff inside?
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 18, 2012, 10:57:54 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 18, 2012, 11:09:04 am
I don't see... Ah. I'm generating gravity.
Other than oracle scrolls, is there anything else worth blessing?
Post by: Micro102 on March 18, 2012, 11:46:21 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 18, 2012, 12:00:25 pm
Is pickpocket in skills?
I can't really do much without overcasting yet.
Going to look for chips so I can rid myself of this weight.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 18, 2012, 12:04:56 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 18, 2012, 03:03:53 pm
I'm stockpiling scrolls and such. It's a pity chips are really rare atm...
So i'm trading and investing until I can buy a house near Port then increase my monies by cargo-ing snowmans & Crimble trees, so I can invest in the potion shop and eventually buy myself a cure corruption or two.
Post by: Micro102 on March 18, 2012, 03:41:55 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 18, 2012, 03:57:22 pm
Starting to cook. Often poisonous.
Going to go to the place with all those foundtains and hope for something good.
Post by: Leatra on March 18, 2012, 07:30:47 pm
Post by: Patchy on March 19, 2012, 01:48:39 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 19, 2012, 02:57:29 am
I wonder if I should've asked for something else. I'm going to keep looking for the pickpocket teachy person.
I walked from Noyel to Port Kapul. I don't want to talk about it.
Post by: Ogdibus on March 19, 2012, 04:37:21 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 19, 2012, 08:51:56 am
I wished for some boots of 'Screw you bandits' from wishing.
I wonder if I should've asked for something else. I'm going to keep looking for the pickpocket teachy person.
I walked from Noyel to Port Kapul. I don't want to talk about it.
Do you mean the seven league boots? Also, try Derphy. But you may have to join the thieves guild.
Post by: Blaze on March 19, 2012, 09:31:52 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 19, 2012, 11:28:56 am
I wished for some boots of 'Screw you bandits' from wishing.
I wonder if I should've asked for something else. I'm going to keep looking for the pickpocket teachy person.
I walked from Noyel to Port Kapul. I don't want to talk about it.
Do you mean the seven league boots? Also, try Derphy. But you may have to join the thieves guild.
Or, if you're lucky and well-prepared, teleport the guild security on the staircase elsewhere, go down and use a disguise kit, then pay up a ton of coins to learn pickpocketing (and maybe dual-wielding).
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 19, 2012, 11:36:20 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 19, 2012, 11:46:06 am
I've taken to starting as a thief lately, mainly because stealing decorations from Vernis is an excellent way to boost your rank quickly in the early game.Try the graveyard outside limiest. Free furniture.
Post by: Bronimin on March 19, 2012, 12:26:57 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 19, 2012, 12:37:12 pm
Then, Cargo Barrels/Whiskey from Port Kapul to Derphy.
Or Snowmen & Christmas trees from Noyel. Insane profit, but difficult if you walk.
Or prostition,I hear that pays well.
Post by: Bronimin on March 19, 2012, 01:20:33 pm
Post by: Blaze on March 19, 2012, 01:25:44 pm
Post by: Bronimin on March 19, 2012, 01:39:39 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 19, 2012, 02:14:14 pm
Alright, dl'ed it and have played it for about a day or so....
I managed to get to level six, and I found three <item's> along the way, one of which was cursed with the "It disturbs your growth ####"
Naturally, the wiki has told me that these items are valued for keeping your level down but it caused teleportation every now and again (migitated with a necklace of silence I found) and caused a shitton of 'malicious hands' to take the ten thousand coins I had accumulated, and it basically turned down from there.
Lost my mithril banded mail [10,11] I traded for a treasure map, my first <item> I had melted in a fire and my teammate I had hired left my service (I couldn't rehire him, as i didn't have enough money).
long story short, how would one go around building up enough money for a shop or museum? I seem to die/lose my money before I can. I have been storing spare equipment, scrolls, books and mic objects in the thieves den, but I would have had to identify half of it, and I stored most of it because I sensed its quality was less than great, or cursed.
Puppy cave can still be dangerous is you are still level 1. And cargo attracts bandits which you should avoid unless you have a good source of teleportation. But even then things can go badly.
My usual method of money gaining is to enter the wild along the roads and fight the weak stuff there, collecting api nuts/leaves (these will help for dungeon diving int he long run,I like to stock up on them), bones/hearts/skins of monsters, and tight ropes. Identify ONE bone/heart/skin and you will get the value of all bones/hearts/skins. Same with the tight ropes. They are common and sell for a decent amount of money. That is always my starting income.
After that, grind the puppy dungeon. Experience and loot are there for the taking.
Also, don't go for a shop. Museums are much more reliable.
A way to make tons of money? Wish for a pair of seven league boots, look for "take item/person to Noyel" quests, complete easily, collect your 10k gold.
Ah yes, the "rich man throws around money" event should counter the malicious hands event int he early games, but later when you have tons of money you want either a kitty bank or a protection from thieves item.
Post by: Leatra on March 19, 2012, 02:57:42 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 19, 2012, 04:22:23 pm
Huh.
Also, what's the best way to get a disguise kit?
Post by: Leatra on March 19, 2012, 04:31:12 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 19, 2012, 04:40:19 pm
So if I want to sneak into the thieves guid to get stuff I need to be a member for, it's easiest if i'm already a member?
Oh, and how rare are chips? Still haven't gotten a single one.
Post by: Tarran on March 19, 2012, 04:52:48 pm
Oh, and how rare are chips? Still haven't gotten a single one.Shouldn't be all that rare in my experience. Maybe 1/100 or 1/50 materials you find will be one. Just a guess on my part, though, and the RNG could be screwing you over.
Post by: Micro102 on March 19, 2012, 05:02:51 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 19, 2012, 05:08:08 pm
Or the starwars one. Pity about the gibberish.
I just got killed by Cirno fighting a giant lion. MOONGATES ARE COOL.
Post by: Micro102 on March 19, 2012, 05:19:07 pm
Also, I fond a Girl's diary. I can get a young lady as an ally and she can cast healing and support spells...However she also throws potions. Random ones. And I can see all my allies dieing to puddles of poison acid and fire. (EDIT: Wow you guys are fast)
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 19, 2012, 05:20:02 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 19, 2012, 05:20:33 pm
Post by: Leatra on March 19, 2012, 05:56:26 pm
Post by: Niveras on March 19, 2012, 07:36:46 pm
Oh, and how rare are chips? Still haven't gotten a single one.
I think there might be a version wherein finding chips is broken. Not 100% sure on that.
Post by: Vibhor on March 19, 2012, 08:56:39 pm
Oh, and how rare are chips? Still haven't gotten a single one.
I think there might be a version wherein finding chips is broken. Not 100% sure on that.
There is a version like that.
I believe it is the same version where blackjack is broken too.
Post by: kcwong on March 20, 2012, 11:04:12 am
Alright, dl'ed it and have played it for about a day or so....
I managed to get to level six, and I found three <item's> along the way, one of which was cursed with the "It disturbs your growth ####"
Naturally, the wiki has told me that these items are valued for keeping your level down but it caused teleportation every now and again (migitated with a necklace of silence I found) and caused a shitton of 'malicious hands' to take the ten thousand coins I had accumulated, and it basically turned down from there.
Those negative properties are independent of an item's blessed/uncursed/cursed (BUC) status. And item being cursed or doomed will generate more and more negatives (and even spread to other items), but if you uncurse the item fast, you may end up with an item with just the "disturb growth" ability. Then it will be great.
Post by: Bronimin on March 20, 2012, 12:25:57 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on March 20, 2012, 03:42:26 pm
It's weird coming back to this game after all this time. I've started over and I'm doing the "fail horribly" part all over again.
I saw someone talking about how the new quest in the Ore Hack version isn't translated. That's something you can edit without touching the source code, thankfully. If you add these lines or something similar to the board_oh.txt file in your data folder, it should fix it:
Code: [Select]
%TREASUREHUNT,EN
Missing treasure:I was going sight-seeing at {map} the other day, but I dropped my precious object, {objective}! If you can retrieve it for me, I will give you {reward}.
%ENDSome of the map name for the dungeon is still in Japanese though, and I'm not sure how to fix that. But at least you can tell them apart from other quests now.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 20, 2012, 04:20:05 pm
What's everyone doing?
I'm exploring moongates and stuff. Finding Ore to appease the massive rumbly god.
Then I'll buy a house near Kapul and make all the monies ever.
Post by: Micro102 on March 20, 2012, 07:08:30 pm
Post by: Blaze on March 20, 2012, 08:11:56 pm
The problem is, it's doubtful you'll find a Girl's Diary that early in the game. Since they start at level 1, you're better off catching/dominating a wild monster.
Like you'd expect, the potion throwing thing is a mixed bag. They don't throw beneficial potions at enemies, but they DO occasionally toss things like molotovs and potions of mutation. So that cupid of love that she just tossed one at might turn into a rabbit or maybe a chaos hound.
Post by: Ogdibus on March 20, 2012, 08:59:59 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 21, 2012, 01:23:31 pm
If I cross over the character file, will it keep things the same except for the differences (such as making chips appear, or christmas?)
I did it once but I can't remember.
Post by: Blaze on March 21, 2012, 04:36:16 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 21, 2012, 04:46:01 pm
I'm on 1.22, which version do you suggest? Christmas?
Post by: Blaze on March 21, 2012, 04:59:06 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 21, 2012, 05:08:01 pm
May I have a link please?
Edit: They look like they're not in English, Curses!
I think you can't go back to old versions. Or I ruined my Save...
Edit: Re-downloaded 1.22 or something. Got 3 chips immediately in cave, and one outside.
Oh, and a yen coin, which I also was getting none of. Huzzah!
Post by: Blaze on March 21, 2012, 06:55:24 pm
I'm guessing you can't read Moonspeak, so I'll give you the link to ELM.
Direct Download Link for ELM (http://ux.getuploader.com/elona_valiant2/download/196/elona122_elm_rel39b_20120303-211029.zip)
A couple of features of ELM:
Combo bonuses: Each hit builds up a combo meter, which gives bonuses so long as you can keep landing hits within a time limit; it recovers as you land more hits.
Spells have multipliers, which boost effects but use more MP/Stock. (Max is 5x, depends on spell level and casting level.)
You can see your Faith and Stamina levels.
You can choose what recipe to make when cooking.
Statistics that used to be shown as "#" are shown as numbers, like attribute/spell/skill potential, resistances, and equipment effects.
Corpses occasionally drop drugged with love potions.
The game will show when a shopkeeper's inventory is refreshed.
You no longer lose karma when an NPC steps into a fire/puddle you made.
Usable items can have modifiers (+3 Max)
Monster can drop their Egg/Milk/Shit on death. (Written literally as "Lactation, Pregnant, and Scat Fetishes Rejoice!")
Investing in shops increases the quality of their goods as well as their quantity.
NPCs are affected by the Environment affect of the Tower of Flames.
More messages for crits and kills.
Timed Quests show your remaining time.
You can change your pet's AI somewhat (Distance to target, moving probability, and change to use special ammo.)
Shows the amount of damage you deal.
Disables house rank limits (All homes except the Castle have rank caps.)
Change whether training cost depends on your level or your skill level.
Change whether the story dungeon regenerates after you beat it.
Gives you skill bonuses when you level up, this depends on your class.
You can drop a corpse of yourself when you die.
Season changes.
NPC adventurers now have much lower turnover rates.
Imouto Koe Daisakusen! (Mou Ichidou Onegai!)
"The Expressions of Love with My Wonderful Wife" (Your guess is as good as mine.)
A few among many other changes.
Some of these settings can be changed in the Extra setting menus.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 12:05:02 am
1) I botched a wish horribly. Got an item that's barely worth selling,
2) I used this rod and now I have a bell! What do I do with it? I heard you need to give it arms
3) Who will accept these delicious Molotovs?
4)Are Change Creature rods/whatever any use?
5) I have a ton of money thanks to my boots of cool! Trying to accrue Change material scrolls & disguise kits.
Post by: Ehndras on March 22, 2012, 12:14:35 am
(Oh dear gods. I'm going to regret this.)
Post by: Tarran on March 22, 2012, 12:20:15 am
4)Are Change Creature rods/whatever any use?Not practical use, but without a doubt you could use it on a nasty generic enemy. Like, say, one that has Ether.
This assumes you even remember it.
Post by: kcwong on March 22, 2012, 12:26:08 am
*pats*
2) I used this rod and now I have a bell! What do I do with it? I heard you need to give it arms
Bells are great pets due to their super high speed. You can use gene machine to add skills and equipment slots.
Bells are natively ranged attackers, though if you give them arms and a melee weapon, they will indeed use it on adjacent enemies. Best use is give them bows. They shoot so many times in one round, if you have two bells they can fill up your combat log almost instantly.
They have very great dodging abilities, but super low HP, so if enemies land a lucky hit they're going to die (hint: roomful of hounds). So try to give them items that increase their Life (i.e. Rubynus items) and give them resistance.
3) Who will accept these delicious Molotovs?
Not good when you have pets or friendlies around...
4)Are Change Creature rods/whatever any use?
I usually drain charges from useless rods with the Draw Charge ability (gained by having Magic Device 16), only leaving behind a few for item quests.
Post by: Blaze on March 22, 2012, 12:28:43 am
2. Bells don't need arms, they have a ranged and ammo slot.
3. Your Enemies.
4. Change creature rods are useful if you run into a particularly troublesome monster. Just use it on them and *hope* it doesn't turn into something worse.
5. You could try investing in magic shops, you could kill two birds with one stone and get scrolls of change material AND scrolls of incognito.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 12:34:52 am
With molotovs I meant that I read things don't go hostile if they drink after acceptance or something.
Knowing my luck i'm going to burn Vernis or someplace down. Any NPC's have worthwile drops?
I got ragnarok on my old file, going through Lesimas with that was FUN.
If I remember correctly, I bought the end in the Sewer in Kapul. Good times.
Post by: Ehndras on March 22, 2012, 12:53:25 am
Out of curiosity, I noticed the game supposedly connects to the internet. Does that mean all those messages about folks wishing for things and getting artifacts are actually real players? (and nPCS also, I'd assume)
Whoa. Rather than start with the usual shitty weapon, I started with this:
Bronze Wakizashi of Cold
4d3 (Pierce 5%)
hit bonus 1 / damage bonus 1
Cold Damage (###)
Res Lighting (#)
Res Cold (#####)
Perception +4
o_O
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 01:12:35 am
I'm still pretty innefectual against Grizzly Rank. Or was it Orc?
Post by: Ogdibus on March 22, 2012, 02:39:29 am
Post by: Ehndras on March 22, 2012, 02:43:15 am
Got a wish from a well, wished for a five horned helm. Game gave me a bomb fish. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 03:03:14 am
Post by: Tarran on March 22, 2012, 03:20:06 am
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Wish
DAMN IT.
Got a wish from a well, wished for a five horned helm. Game gave me a bomb fish. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-
Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Five_Horned_Helm
It is precious.
Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Wish
Precious items may only be wished for in wizard mode.
Yeah, when I tried for an etherwind-proof cloak, I got a spell of nether eye.
Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Wish
Vindale will grant you a Vindale cloak, which protects from Etherwind.
Post by: Ehndras on March 22, 2012, 03:44:40 am
Oh you two. You fail at wishing and everything forever.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/WishDAMN IT.
Got a wish from a well, wished for a five horned helm. Game gave me a bomb fish. FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU-Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Five_Horned_HelmIt is precious.Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/WishPrecious items may only be wished for in wizard mode.Yeah, when I tried for an etherwind-proof cloak, I got a spell of nether eye.Quote from: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/WishVindale will grant you a Vindale cloak, which protects from Etherwind.
I usually play in wizard mode, I totally forgot about that detail.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 04:16:40 am
Still no scrolls of change material or Disguise kits. Going to keep investing in stuff.
What's everyone's favourite death? Mine is neurofibroma.
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 22, 2012, 04:28:46 am
Yay cheating!
Post by: Micro102 on March 22, 2012, 08:27:39 am
Post by: joemoben on March 22, 2012, 09:16:41 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 22, 2012, 09:39:58 am
Probably has something to do with the game's presentation, being all graphical, musical and stuff like that.
Also, houses.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 10:48:38 am
Now If only I had a disguise kit I could go steal trees and stuff.
Post by: Leatra on March 22, 2012, 11:07:59 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 11:11:09 am
Never had a Ranch though. Didn't know you could have more than one.
What's everyone's character name? Might be able to see each other's exploits.
Post by: Bronimin on March 22, 2012, 12:34:25 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 01:59:32 pm
I've never had much charisma.
Oh, I finally changed my Seven-Leages from Raw to Zircon. Joy!
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 22, 2012, 02:10:32 pm
Don't play anymore, or at least, I stopped, but I still have vivid knowledge on how this game runs.
Ranches are... kind of useless, if you ask me. Unless you plan to breed pet types for corpses, since they have a higher chance of leaving corpses there, and IIRC, they'll always leave 2 when they drop corpses.
Oh and eggs. Eggs are useful for raising your cooking skill, and having a ton of humanoids in a ranch makes it easier to genetically engineer pets to have arms or legs.
Lastly, your creatures breed faster when their level is low, so if you find cursed potions of gain level, consider dumping it on one of your creatures.
If you need money, you're better off buying a museum, but a ranch is useful for other things, except early game.
Post by: Leatra on March 22, 2012, 02:22:33 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 02:30:03 pm
I just found you can refill wells.
oh, and what's that holy well good for?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 22, 2012, 02:31:31 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 22, 2012, 02:32:49 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 22, 2012, 02:34:50 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 02:37:40 pm
Post by: Tarran on March 22, 2012, 02:56:06 pm
Which things can't be passed on though re-incarnation? I know it's precious items and deeds, but I dn't know what precious items are.http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Precious_items
Post by: Micro102 on March 22, 2012, 03:00:11 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 22, 2012, 03:02:34 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 03:05:56 pm
Turns out my Str and Con are bad. As I can't weightlift trees in the snow forever yet, and make a ranch to devour many horses, what do you suggest I do?
Edit: Oh, and charisma. Charisma would really help.
Post by: Micro102 on March 22, 2012, 03:32:56 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 03:59:07 pm
I'll remember though, thanks.
Post by: Bronimin on March 22, 2012, 04:11:28 pm
Post by: Blaze on March 22, 2012, 04:30:55 pm
Post by: Bronimin on March 22, 2012, 04:56:40 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 22, 2012, 05:08:07 pm
It will also make you STRONG!!!!
Which reminds me, what's better, Dual Wielding, Two handed or One-Handed whilst using a Shield?
Oh, and are thare any other secrets other than the one somewhere in that cat quest?
Post by: Alkhemia on March 22, 2012, 10:57:23 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 22, 2012, 11:10:57 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 22, 2012, 11:12:58 pm
Yeah, I was trying to offer my 20 odd rotten apples I had harvested for seed generation :P.
Could I steal fruit trees from wilderness tiles and create an orchard in my house or something? Sounds like that would be perfect for seed making...
Assuming you can carry trees with your brute strength and not get crushed by the weight of it, then yeah.
So Vernis is on fire and Dragon everywhere...what do? I did get <Whom Dwell in Vanity> corpse and the like but now the city dead damn Pets and Aliens
You have started Ragnarok. Expect not to be able to return there, especially if there's aliens (alien offspring inherit a fraction (don't know the exact number) of its parent's stats, so you might find it very hard to reclaim, if not impossible.). That said, there was a reset button, but I forgot which button does which.
EDIT: Ninja!
Post by: kcwong on March 22, 2012, 11:44:08 pm
So, instead of getting a ranch cus you guys said it was a bad idea, I bought a farm and have been grinding farming for a while now, doing those 'Harvest time' quests in Yowyn (which is, incidentially, on the doorstep of my farm) I've got it to about level seven now, and I have K. of Harvest as my god, so I have a stock of about 20 seeds already. Should I start planting vegie's and stuff only? or gem seeds and the like? I have one artifact seed and two unknown seeds, I kinda want to know what they do...
FAKE EDIT: How do I offer rotten vegetables to my god? they don't come up as an option on the offer menu.
It's too late now, but I'd recommend a museum first to get more easy money rolling in.
Base cost: 140,000 gp
Maintenance cost: 1500 gp/month
Income per rank: 50 gp/month
You can keep killing those named NPCs (that you are strong enough to kill inside party quests), and get their cards and statues (as well as their items). Duplicate ones raise museum rank less and less, but that won't really stop you gaining ranks early on.
Gardening 7 is too low... don't waste any seeds at this point. Your plants are very likely to wilt at this point (until you get that reward item to revive them).
Instead keep doing those harvesting quests to raise your Gardening skill... save all your seeds until you got around 20, then start practicing with those fruit/vegetable seeds. The higher your skill, the more likely a new plant will grow after you harvest it.
Post by: Alkhemia on March 22, 2012, 11:57:30 pm
Will eating his body do anything special? Also resetmap in F12Yeah, I was trying to offer my 20 odd rotten apples I had harvested for seed generation :P.
Could I steal fruit trees from wilderness tiles and create an orchard in my house or something? Sounds like that would be perfect for seed making...
Assuming you can carry trees with your brute strength and not get crushed by the weight of it, then yeah.So Vernis is on fire and Dragon everywhere...what do? I did get <Whom Dwell in Vanity> corpse and the like but now the city dead damn Pets and Aliens
You have started Ragnarok. Expect not to be able to return there, especially if there's aliens (alien offspring inherit a fraction (don't know the exact number) of its parent's stats, so you might find it very hard to reclaim, if not impossible.). That said, there was a reset button, but I forgot which button does which.
EDIT: Ninja!
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 23, 2012, 12:41:10 am
Post by: Ehndras on March 23, 2012, 12:44:26 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 23, 2012, 12:45:12 am
Mostly the magic is in his sword.
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 23, 2012, 12:47:06 am
Oh, and ragnarok also starts etherwind, so prepare your
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 23, 2012, 08:46:26 am
I already have the boots of escorting and a sandbag, what'd you suggest I go for?
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 23, 2012, 08:51:19 am
Bless 'em first, or something... IIRC, blessed potions give you good mutations?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 23, 2012, 08:57:55 am
Anything else anyone would suggest?
edit: I found you can gain skills! What EXACTLY would I type to get pickpocketing?
Oh, and what should I do with this stack of Oracle scrolls? Nothing adventurers have is EVER any good. Should I flog 'em and buy something else?
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 23, 2012, 09:03:27 am
As for Oracle scrolls, if you aren't looking for artifacts, try selling them.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 23, 2012, 09:08:24 am
As for artifacts, I am looking for them, they're just all awful.= so far.
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 23, 2012, 09:10:47 am
Stradivarius is a cool instrument to have. Actually an understatement.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 23, 2012, 09:12:59 am
EDIT: WRYYYYYY! Pickpocket gave me a goddman lockpick! Wraaaaaaaagh!
Double Edit: Bwahahahaha! I got another wish! It had better work this time.
Post by: Blaze on March 23, 2012, 11:31:09 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 23, 2012, 12:03:16 pm
Can they be made to duel-wield thrown items?
It has a grenade atm. Should I replace it with a Shuriken.
Post by: Blaze on March 23, 2012, 12:18:40 pm
If you're using other pets, particularly melee pets or are a melee build yourself, you might want to switch to a shuriken. Otherwise a bell with a grenade should last you a long time; you might suffer a bit in terms of skill development though.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 23, 2012, 12:40:50 pm
I might go kill some dungeons with this bell for the loot. Sometimes it doesn't attack though.
Post by: Leatra on March 23, 2012, 03:31:32 pm
Quote
to wish for skills type 'skill<skillname>' where instead of <skillname> can be either full name of the skill or its last word. This will increase the skill by 1 point as well as train the skill's potential. When the first word is 'skill' and then something invalid - one random skill improves or you learn it if you didn't have it. Just typing 'skill' does nothing. To improve your luck, type 'skillluck'. This also works for all attributes, such as Strength or Constitution, as well as speed (note some might increase other skills with the same letters or words, i.e. Magic (attribute) and Magic Capacity (skill)). Wishing for feats via <featname> does not work and will generate something random.
So yeah. Add skill first.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 23, 2012, 04:11:47 pm
Also, Grenade Bells are dangerous, unless you want to emulate trawling throuhg dungeons drunk.
Post by: Alkhemia on March 23, 2012, 09:37:28 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 23, 2012, 10:37:07 pm
E: haha oh my god I'm so dumb I bet you have to put it in over a regular install brb trying that now
EE: and now I can't find a 1.22 download link, just the fixed exe. Unless you're supposed to get 1.16, and replace the exe with the fixed one?
Post by: Tarran on March 24, 2012, 12:05:09 am
EE: and now I can't find a 1.22 download link, just the fixed exe. Unless you're supposed to get 1.16, and replace the exe with the fixed one?http://noaneko.squares.net/dev/
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 12:13:33 am
Anyway, 1) Should I get Dual Wield and uss it instead of 2-handed?
2) I made palmia go BOOM. After looting the place, how'd I re-karma my karma? Endless Derphy quests?
Post by: Virroken on March 24, 2012, 12:20:33 am
edit:
Dual wield = less accuracy, multiple attacks that do nothing because of PV.
Two hand = More accuracy, more damage, more damage multiplier.
Post by: Blaze on March 24, 2012, 12:25:31 am
Is there a way to tell your points with a God?Not without using a Mod/3rd party program.
Anyway, 1) Should I get Dual Wield and uss it instead of 2-handed?All points into ranged. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y138/benu/emoticons/emot-colbert.gif)
2) I made palmia go BOOM. After looting the place, how'd I re-karma my karma? Endless Derphy quests?
You're playing a claymore right? Generally, unless you get weapons that have effects on hit, you'll want to keep training two-hand. You're still fairly early in the game, so it shouldn't hurt too much.
You can buy an indulgence, where the cost scales with your level.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 12:27:47 am
I'll bring all my Oracle scrolls to be sure.
Oh, and what's the best weapon material for a sword for me? I'm currently at Diamond, though I could Shainghai it into something else. Same with my equipment which is a mishmash of Rubynus and Grifon Scale.
Post by: Blaze on March 24, 2012, 12:34:53 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 24, 2012, 12:38:34 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 12:44:32 am
Should my bell use a 1d6 grenade or 1d18 shuriken? I can shred a lot of things with it.
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 24, 2012, 12:48:21 am
Shuriken = cut damage, bleed enemies to death, assuming they bleed.
Post by: Blaze on March 24, 2012, 12:52:01 am
For bells, you generally want to go with pure damage unless you're facing enemies with very high PV. Sure you can stack massive amounts of bleeding damage on a single enemy with a shuriken, but with a bow/gun they could just kill them outright.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 01:01:33 am
And now the etherwind starts, and the nearest shelter is Kapul, i'm in palmia and everyone hates me. Whee!
Wait, the bomber girl gets off on suffering? That's...unexpected.
Post by: Blaze on March 24, 2012, 01:03:44 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 01:10:47 am
Oh, and is it any use giving the bell a panty, or should I wield it myself?
Post by: Blaze on March 24, 2012, 01:15:36 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 01:21:37 am
Post by: Tarran on March 24, 2012, 01:26:11 am
Oh dear god what kind of horrible person would make such a thing?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 01:33:58 am
Oh gods, I can't afford anywhere near the amount. What do I do? I can't make money without being able to get in towns...
Oh, and should I trade for this 1d56+2 pistol? I heard pistols weren't very good...
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 24, 2012, 01:37:00 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 01:39:39 am
I'm already evil, I think i'll unleash a giant on an innocent town.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 24, 2012, 01:44:48 am
Ether... panty?I always wondered how certain things worked in this game. A glass cap? How does that even?
Oh dear god what kind of horrible person would make such a thing?
Also, thanks for the link from earlier.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 01:47:18 am
I got a figurine though.
Post by: Niveras on March 24, 2012, 09:18:52 am
I changed it from regular.
Oh gods, I can't afford anywhere near the amount. What do I do? I can't make money without being able to get in towns...
Oh, and should I trade for this 1d56+2 pistol? I heard pistols weren't very good...
If you're over (or is it under?) level 6, you could just let guards kill you: it raises by 5 each death until -20. Do it near your home so you don't have much distance to travel, for a reduced risk that the town will reset and lose the items that you drop (or just leave all your stuff at your house while you do this). This will also affect some of your stats and stat potential, but it's faster than doing tons of quests from Derphy (especially if you're limited by the quests you can accept in Derphy, e.g. no escorts or cooking or high level forest clearing).
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 24, 2012, 11:33:05 am
And instead of hoping the map doesn't reset and eat your items, just don't bring any items at all. Leave them in your house or something.
Post by: Leatra on March 24, 2012, 03:43:34 pm
Now this may suprise you all, but the town is incredibly on fire.
I got a figurine though.
Getting a town ruined is a great way to collect cards and figurines for your muesum.
Even better, buy a nuke from that weird girl in Derphy and detonate it in Palmia near the castle. You'll get a huge karma hit if you don't have the wicked trait though. A majority of the city will be ruined and you can steal pretty much everything since most people are dead. It's an easy way to fix an alien invasion too.
Post by: Alkhemia on March 24, 2012, 05:24:14 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 24, 2012, 05:58:54 pm
I wish I hadn't hired that guard for my house.
Post by: Alkhemia on March 24, 2012, 06:34:58 pm
Post by: Tarran on March 24, 2012, 06:43:34 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 24, 2012, 09:47:22 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 24, 2012, 11:28:24 pm
I got Lulwy in my house and she a freeloader, I thinks she drinking my potions :-\
Whatever you do, don't get Lulwy impregnated, unless you want a ton of eldritch abominations that even she can barely kill roaming around your house, swiping you with acid claws 7+ times per turn and generally impregnating everyone else.
Post by: Blaze on March 25, 2012, 12:00:06 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 25, 2012, 12:33:01 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 25, 2012, 12:55:00 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Tarran on March 25, 2012, 01:13:12 am
Some examples of good reasons:
1: You're insane and want to mine out the walls for cash.
2: You've got a chest (apparently higher level dungeons generate better loot from chests, so, obviously, opening them in a level 666 dungeon will give you good stuff).
3: You're really really really sure you can take on absolutely anything.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 25, 2012, 06:15:00 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 25, 2012, 01:52:29 pm
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 25, 2012, 02:03:02 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 25, 2012, 02:17:23 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 25, 2012, 03:50:51 pm
How long would it take to get 300k this way?
I kinda need money to become un-evil.
Post by: Micro102 on March 25, 2012, 05:49:25 pm
It will be tedious, but to make money, keep doing jobs. I suggest a disguise kit or incognito spell.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 25, 2012, 05:55:45 pm
I've started escorting, as you only need to teleport and run away a lot.
Burned 30 karma so far, 36 to go.
Post by: Blaze on March 25, 2012, 06:07:26 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 25, 2012, 06:17:06 pm
Also, is anything in that Castle with the chessboard at the bottom? My bell got ganked so the pieces rushed me.
Post by: Blaze on March 25, 2012, 06:22:48 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 25, 2012, 06:24:27 pm
EDIT: WIIIIIIIIIIISH!
Okay, it's either redemption or vindale, which do I choose?
Post by: Blaze on March 25, 2012, 06:45:12 pm
I highly suggest you wish for evolution. If you bless the potions you can get up to 4 positive mutations per potion. Otherwise, speed rings are nice if you get lucky. Aurora rings are also a good wish if you keep getting confused by hard rain.
Post by: Niveras on March 25, 2012, 06:46:29 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 25, 2012, 06:54:16 pm
I went for vindale, as I can't currently safelt casino.
Post by: Leatra on March 25, 2012, 07:12:09 pm
I think you should learn some skills by using wishes. That's what I always spend them.
Post by: Micro102 on March 25, 2012, 11:42:31 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on March 25, 2012, 11:48:46 pm
Useful artifacts > Evolution > Skill boosts.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 26, 2012, 12:34:26 am
I also did that castle. All I got is a Halberd too light to use with my skills and a message about some green stone.
Post by: Alkhemia on March 26, 2012, 01:02:23 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 26, 2012, 01:12:38 am
Post by: chaoticag on March 26, 2012, 05:05:34 am
I installed the graphics pack, then I realized, the map on the wiki is now useless when it comes to treasure hunting.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 26, 2012, 12:00:22 pm
Is there any point in passing my gene on?
Post by: Tarran on March 26, 2012, 02:49:29 pm
There's a map?!http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/File:Northtyris117.png
Is there any point in passing my gene on?http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Marriage_and_Genes
Post by: Leatra on March 26, 2012, 02:58:35 pm
I learnt everything I know about this game from there, except the fact you can make millions of GPs in 10-20 minutes by prostuting.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 26, 2012, 03:43:48 pm
I'm asking for your opinion because i'm awful at making decisions.
I flip coins to decide what I eat at pubs. A friend and I walked in circles for an hour because neither of us would make a decision on where to go. I require influencing!
Post by: Leatra on March 26, 2012, 06:44:37 pm
I flip coins to decide what I eat at pubs. A friend and I walked in circles for an hour because neither of us would make a decision on where to go. I require influencing!
Heh, me and my friends always give cashiers a good laugh because of our tendency to spend more time deciding than eating.
The only reason of passing genes is, you want to start another character for some reason but you feel a little lazy to build up your character like the old one. So you get some items from your old character, sell most of them for cash and have a better start. I did that when I wanted have a different race.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 27, 2012, 11:48:48 am
I'll do it! KEEP LOOT, BECOME STRENGTH FASTER!
Post by: EuchreJack on March 27, 2012, 12:22:22 pm
That said, I like playing a character with stuff to inherit, so those odd inheritance deeds or whatever don't go to waste when I randomly get them as monster loot.
Post by: Micro102 on March 27, 2012, 06:35:39 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 28, 2012, 11:47:48 am
Oh, and I started with 2 charisma feats and a speed one. Be I mad?
Post by: Bronimin on March 30, 2012, 12:29:28 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 30, 2012, 01:55:32 pm
Example of potential treasure map rings:
Maintains Dexterity
Maintains Strength
Enhances your memory ##
Grants resistance to nerve ####
Grants resistance to fire #
Increases speed by 15
Increases Perception by 8
Increases Constitution by 3
Also, have the identifier investigate an item if you can't identify it normally.
Post by: Bronimin on March 30, 2012, 02:57:38 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 30, 2012, 03:00:31 pm
Since you can eventually bring up all their stats but a slow character is slow forever.
Though I am aware that my best most powerful character was a Golem and his mutant Steed Mr.Muleio.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 30, 2012, 03:44:08 pm
Oh, and i'm stocking up on change material scrolls, blessing them and using them to make everything good. Is there an improved version of the grenade, or should I just enchant it? Does the material matter for grenades?
Just wondering, what was Mr.Muleio? T-Rex?
Post by: snelg on March 30, 2012, 03:52:45 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 30, 2012, 03:54:23 pm
Just wondering, what was Mr.Muleio? T-Rex?
O man, the pictures this game put in my head.
Post by: Bronimin on March 30, 2012, 04:05:48 pm
Post by: Tarran on March 30, 2012, 04:19:33 pm
Overall, a very good set of gloves for a rogue class, really is too bad I am a warrior :P.To me, it looks like a warrior could definitely benefit. The to-hit bonus, strength and constitution maintaining, evasion, and duel wield bonuses seem like warrior buffs to me.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 30, 2012, 04:20:41 pm
I'm still flimsy as can be, but least i'm rich. I'm really hoping to find a disguise kit or a wish so I can start stealing trees.
Post by: Frostbite on March 30, 2012, 06:28:29 pm
full of wackiness too.
Post by: Tarran on March 30, 2012, 06:35:28 pm
Someone needs to make a lets play of this gamehttp://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA83483B820B07EAD&feature=plcp
8 hours of Let's Play by a pretty good Let's Player.
Post by: Micro102 on March 30, 2012, 06:56:51 pm
Speaking of which... http://www.youtube.com/user/jefmajor?feature=g-user-u (http://www.youtube.com/user/jefmajor?feature=g-user-u)
Post by: Leatra on March 30, 2012, 09:14:26 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 30, 2012, 11:24:52 pm
Post by: Virroken on March 31, 2012, 12:07:02 am
I managed to get 152 speed as my highest speed record. I got the equipment, traits and corruption traits. Is there any good way to permamently increase speed further?
Worship Lulwy, stack faith. Each 4 levels of piety is +1 speed or something.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 31, 2012, 09:45:10 am
I already have 7 leagues and a Vindale. Should I wish for lockpicking, or something else? I'm currently level five.
Post by: Micro102 on March 31, 2012, 12:33:18 pm
I got a wish on my gene'd character.
I already have 7 leagues and a Vindale. Should I wish for lockpicking, or something else? I'm currently level five.
Wish for potions of evolution. Always good.
Post by: Deon on March 31, 2012, 12:37:17 pm
Post by: Tiruin on March 31, 2012, 12:38:01 pm
Is anybody here using my graphics pack? I just asked because I may update it, but only if people are interested :).^-^
Post by: Bronimin on March 31, 2012, 01:54:50 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 31, 2012, 02:02:35 pm
I'm trying to convert to Lulwy, but I can't find any bows.
Post by: Tarran on March 31, 2012, 02:05:02 pm
Post by: Blaze on March 31, 2012, 02:07:21 pm
Riding skill? I don't know how it works though. Does riding something always increase your speed? Is it based only on that creature's speed? Can you ride anything?Anything can be ridden, but not everything makes an effective mount. Obviously, riding a slow pet would just make you slower. Carry too much and your pet may get crushed if its strength is low. Some monsters will get a major speed penalty no matter what; particularly bells.
Your speed when riding depends on the mount's speed and your riding skill. Riding skill also affects accuracy of your melee attacks while mounted, but trying to use a weapon/shield that weighs more than 4.0s while riding will massively decrease your chance to hit.
Post by: Leatra on March 31, 2012, 02:30:15 pm
I never tried riding since my speed is already 152.
Thanks. I got sick of farming already. Time to change gods.I managed to get 152 speed as my highest speed record. I got the equipment, traits and corruption traits. Is there any good way to permamently increase speed further?
Worship Lulwy, stack faith. Each 4 levels of piety is +1 speed or something.
Post by: Galick on March 31, 2012, 04:58:29 pm
*Installs X-Mas version*
*Makes Faerie Pianist*
*Gets a li'l tail all around town*
*Gets nuke. Blows up Palmia and dies when looting thanks to a very pissed off general*
*Goes back to Derphy and gets the secret treasure*
*Pet drinks from well. "What would you like to wish for?"*
This game rewards being a horrible person!
And all this was done before level 6 too...
~Hello~ leather seven league boots that are only .7 stones!
Post by: Leatra on March 31, 2012, 05:21:54 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 31, 2012, 05:43:23 pm
Unless you get escort boots from wishing.
But grinding 'lil tail wouldn't get me that much money.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on March 31, 2012, 06:05:05 pm
Post by: Micro102 on March 31, 2012, 06:22:35 pm
I always start with getting the wicked secret treasure too. Then I grind "li'l tail" until I have like 2-3m GP. I spend it all on a castle, ranches, potions of evolution and potions of potential. It's too difficult to get money at the start of the game if I don't do this.
Bull, I have saved up over 1 mil by level 14 just by dungeon looting and Noyel quests with seven league boots. Much more looting.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on March 31, 2012, 06:28:25 pm
I should've stuck to one religious partner.
Post by: Singularity125 on March 31, 2012, 09:48:09 pm
*Finds this game once more*
*Installs X-Mas version*
*Makes Faerie Pianist*
*Gets a li'l tail all around town*
*Gets nuke. Blows up Palmia and dies when looting thanks to a very pissed off general*
*Goes back to Derphy and gets the secret treasure*
*Pet drinks from well. "What would you like to wish for?"*
This game rewards being a horrible person!
And all this was done before level 6 too...
~Hello~ leather seven league boots that are only .7 stones!
Nice work, but you'll have trouble ridding yourself of that karma if you're below level 6. No bonus for dying to guards. You might know that already, though. I'd also highly recommend joining the thieves guild, since your karma is already rock bottom.
I don't currently use it, but I'd certainly be interested in your sprite pack, Deon. You've got the talent for it. :)
Post by: Leatra on April 01, 2012, 05:40:19 am
1. Stockpile a crapload of alcohol and some blessed healing potions
2. When you are ready to grind, take all the alcohol and travel from city to city as you look for people with enough money to pay you.
2.a. Traders you invested in has more money. I have a trader in Vernis that has around 100k. You need like 15-25 alcohol to get all the money from her.
2.b. Take escort and delivery missions as you travel from city to city in search for... customers.
3. When you want to call it a day, drink blessed healing potions to get rid of sickness.
*Finds this game once more*
*Installs X-Mas version*
*Makes Faerie Pianist*
*Gets a li'l tail all around town*
*Gets nuke. Blows up Palmia and dies when looting thanks to a very pissed off general*
*Goes back to Derphy and gets the secret treasure*
*Pet drinks from well. "What would you like to wish for?"*
This game rewards being a horrible person!
And all this was done before level 6 too...
~Hello~ leather seven league boots that are only .7 stones!
Nice work, but you'll have trouble ridding yourself of that karma if you're below level 6. No bonus for dying to guards. You might know that already, though. I'd also highly recommend joining the thieves guild, since your karma is already rock bottom.
Yeah, I always complete the thieves guild entrance quest and the nuke quest together. I stockpile wallets and give them to guards when I'm ready to get a positive karma again.
That takes a long time, trying to make money by just questing and looting. I can make 1m in exactly 30 minutes (minus the alcohol stockpiling time, which takes like 10 minutes)I always start with getting the wicked secret treasure too. Then I grind "li'l tail" until I have like 2-3m GP. I spend it all on a castle, ranches, potions of evolution and potions of potential. It's too difficult to get money at the start of the game if I don't do this.
Bull, I have saved up over 1 mil by level 14 just by dungeon looting and Noyel quests with seven league boots. Much more looting.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 01, 2012, 06:14:47 am
Post by: Leatra on April 01, 2012, 06:26:42 am
I've started accruing ranches and I'm filling them each with a lame horse so I can harvest many times the delicious horseflesh.Putits are good too. They raise the potential for charisma. They only have the 2/3 breeding power of lame horses though. I have 3 ranches with lame horses and 2 with putits.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 01, 2012, 06:29:11 am
Post by: Leatra on April 01, 2012, 06:33:39 am
Zombies drop potion of descent, so I was thinking. Maybe it's possible to get them a ranch and farm them for potions.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 01, 2012, 06:48:28 am
What else is good for farming? What's the breed level of, say, hands?
Post by: Galick on April 01, 2012, 08:50:39 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 01, 2012, 09:13:54 am
Maybe Palmia if you can escape fast enough, its boards are nearest the entrance.
Post by: Leatra on April 01, 2012, 10:18:29 am
You can increase your karma if you return wallets to guards. Should have stockpiled some.
Post by: Singularity125 on April 01, 2012, 11:19:56 am
I had to work around my own poor planning this morning. My tax evasion karma hit happened at the start of the third month, so the Etherwind was looiming. I didn't want to try to beeline for the Vernis shelter if the guards wanted me dead, so instead I spent four solid days in the Puppy Cave. I came out with lots of loot, and three corpse events happened -- an easy 15 karma. It was just enough to make me not a criminal again. Of course, I'm about to nuke the hell out of Palmia, but at least I was able to sell my loot. :P
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 01, 2012, 12:57:46 pm
Anyway, any reliable ways to get monster balls aside from that one lot you get from the scientist?
I want to catch a putit and a quickling to complete my collection of stat-boosting foodbeasts.
Post by: Niveras on April 01, 2012, 01:33:36 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on April 01, 2012, 03:20:40 pm
Niveras: Resting is basically the only way. I have a variant (ore hack) that tells me what my exact stamina value is, which is always helpful. Otherwise, figure about 2 full rests will do it. 3 to be safe.
Post by: Niveras on April 01, 2012, 03:45:55 pm
I'm not sure if this is normal or if ELM changed resting somehow. Each resting period does seem shorter (fewer NPC actions take place and it seems to last shorter in real time) than in the old version I played, but because that version didn't have an exact counter for stamina I can't be sure. Anyone know if this is the case in the ELM version?
Post by: Singularity125 on April 01, 2012, 06:31:18 pm
There's a mystery I'm trying to solve. In my game, I randomly got a "Your Speed has increased" message without doing any of the normal things, like eating a quickling. I'm observing my Speed now, and it seems certain actions actually train it in Ore Hack. I'm trying to figure out what does, because obviously it would be awesome to train it normally. It goes up very slowly, though, even at the 360% potential it says it's at. The only thing I've found so far is that the extra attacks from dual wielding ("Furthermore, you...") seem to train it a little bit.
Post by: Micro102 on April 02, 2012, 03:40:21 am
Post by: maki32 on April 02, 2012, 04:45:23 am
Thanks
Post by: Singularity125 on April 02, 2012, 10:17:20 am
Are you sure it's being trained, or that your slowly able to carry more, making you faster? Because being burdened slows you down.Nope, definitely being trained. Ore Hack lets me see base values for attributes, and my base speed is now 71. I haven't eaten a quickling or hermes' blood yet. I can see the fractional part slowly creep up, too. It's 71.4 or something now.
Post by: Leatra on April 02, 2012, 11:08:25 am
Those of who you rely on prostitution for money, what do you do for restoring stamina? Just repeated resting?Yup. If you want to get faster here are some tips:
1. Use shortcuts. Shift+G for giving the alcohol and Shift+R for resting.
2. Go to settings and set Auto Turn Speed to Highest.
3. When you are not whoring around, buy alcohol whenever you visit somewhere and drop it in one of your buildings. Bonus points if you have a storage house
4. Invest all your money in a shopkeeper in your favorite town. If you invest a lot in a shop, they have more money you can get from them later.
After that you can finish the job (giving alcohol, doing it, resting; all included) in 2 seconds if you have fast fingers. Don't forget to drink blessed healing potions when you are done. You'll get so sick your attributes will hit rock bottom.
Do 2 rests like Singularity said. It works for me. Your stamina and recovery speed depends on your attributes though so it might change for every character.
Recovery speed is always the same for everyone if I remember right though. Not sure.
Post by: Niveras on April 02, 2012, 05:11:06 pm
Where can be found the ELM modification?
Thanks
Posted here. (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg3117128#msg3117128)
Direct link. (http://ux.getuploader.com/elona_valiant2/download/196/elona122_elm_rel39b_20120303-211029.zip) The page is in some Japanese language, but I was able to download it without issue despite it all being a bunch of hash marks and lines to me.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 03, 2012, 11:36:09 am
Post by: snelg on April 03, 2012, 03:57:07 pm
I'm still not sure which one does what. ELM seems to work pretty well with everything I've seen so far translated. I tried Omake first but that one was full of Japanese stuff I don't understand.
What's everyone's favourite town?I'm usually running a lot of deliveries etc so I tend to end up at palmia most of the time. Which is okay because you can find a lot of stuff there. I like port Kapul for the pet arena/normal arena.
I'm not very fond of Derphy because it's a pain finding people when doing deliveries without any guards. ::)
Going to the quest board and looking for the name there works sometimes at least. :)
Post by: Galick on April 03, 2012, 04:41:34 pm
Post by: Leatra on April 03, 2012, 05:10:48 pm
I kinda like Venris. Call me old fashioned, but hey, I have a soft spot for the 'first towns' in most games.Heh, me too. My second favorite settlement in TES:Morrowind is Seyda Neen, which is the starting town.
Post by: Micro102 on April 03, 2012, 07:38:47 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 03, 2012, 07:39:29 pm
Post by: Tarran on April 03, 2012, 07:59:33 pm
Post by: Micro102 on April 03, 2012, 08:44:22 pm
Yeah, that sword is quite sucky as it starts Etherwind and spawns numerous high level enemies.
And set EVERYTHING on fire, I don't plan on using it for practical reasons of course :)
It feels like it would act as a nuke in itself. Swing sword, run, loot later.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 03, 2012, 08:45:25 pm
Post by: Micro102 on April 03, 2012, 08:47:02 pm
Post by: kcwong on April 04, 2012, 04:55:18 am
So? Enter, kill something, leave heal. Repeat for free stuff.
Try it and you'll see...
Also, he and Loyter are quite likely to survive the nuclear bomb. When you return they will attack, and that sword will be used. Then you can see what it does.
Post by: Leatra on April 04, 2012, 07:01:14 am
Question. Has anyone ever tried nuking a town other then palmia? Like Vernis? I believe there is a guy there that has a sword that has a chance to end the world. Might be worth the penalty for failing the quest.
I have the sword already. I got it by killing him (which was difficult) It doesn't work well. You'll say goodbye to any city you swing the sword on until it resets.
Post by: kcwong on April 04, 2012, 09:30:03 am
Question. Has anyone ever tried nuking a town other then palmia? Like Vernis? I believe there is a guy there that has a sword that has a chance to end the world. Might be worth the penalty for failing the quest.
I have the sword already. I got it by killing him (which was difficult) It doesn't work well. You'll say goodbye to any city you swing the sword on until it resets.
There the cheat code to reset a square tho... IIRC, press Backspace while you're standing on it?
Post by: Galick on April 04, 2012, 10:38:02 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 05, 2012, 09:52:22 am
Oh, and i'm trying to boost my strength, and pickpocketing trees is taking awhile. Any other ideas?
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on April 05, 2012, 10:38:52 am
Post by: kcwong on April 05, 2012, 11:05:12 am
Yeah, the origional comparison isn't very good. In Elona, it's viable to use a grenade in a fistfight.
Oh, and i'm trying to boost my strength, and pickpocketing trees is taking awhile. Any other ideas?
Always be burdened... ranch multiple arms and eat them all. Fight in arena and pickpocket everything you can lift after the fight.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 05, 2012, 12:30:24 pm
Windows are good for strength? K.
I've a hand of the dead ranched, but its breed level is something like 130. Takes forever.
Post by: The Merchant Of Menace on April 05, 2012, 12:43:59 pm
Post by: Leatra on April 05, 2012, 02:02:38 pm
Steal crystals if you don't have a high pickpocket skill. They don't weigh much and are valuable. My castle is 1st in rank and I got that by having 6 treasure machines and around 10 crystals in my house.
You can clear some dungeons to increase your strength. You have to use the combat skills that train strength though. If you are using Two Handed, Axe/Martial Arts/Scythe/Long Sword and Tactics for combat, clearing dungeons is the best way to raise strength. You'll get loot and chests too. If you have a Sand Bag, tie up a monster and just beat the crap out of it. It won't die anyway.
Or you can always visit a fountain and savescum the crap out of it until you get a STR increase.
edit:typo
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 05, 2012, 02:41:31 pm
Oh, and I can't speak to my Ranch-grown hands. Should I throw balls at the instead? I want to move one to another ranch.
Post by: Leatra on April 05, 2012, 03:30:29 pm
Lame horses breed nine times faster than hands but they are good for constitution instead. If you want to raise a different attribute I suggest horse meat.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 05, 2012, 04:07:30 pm
I already have two horsemeat ranches, and I have a Blessed food processor in one too cook the corpses from my ranch cluster.
I'll probably steal an oven or something- what's the best cooking machine?
Post by: Micro102 on April 05, 2012, 04:43:27 pm
Post by: Leatra on April 05, 2012, 04:49:20 pm
No, I was trying to interact, they're just ignoring me.
I already have two horsemeat ranches, and I have a Blessed food processor in one too cook the corpses from my ranch cluster.
I'll probably steal an oven or something- what's the best cooking machine?
Huh, that's weird. When you try to interact a menu should come up. Then you have to choose "bring out" (not talk, my mistake there)
I found out this (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Cooking#Cooking_Tools) about cooking tools. It looks like Barbecue Set is the best.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 05, 2012, 05:29:03 pm
When I Interact, I get the 'X just ignores you' message. Any ideas?
And which hand has the best breed level?
Post by: Niveras on April 05, 2012, 06:15:56 pm
Not 100% if or how that'll work. I just remember seeing some of my horses in the list when I went to revive one of my pets.
Post by: Micro102 on April 05, 2012, 08:30:42 pm
Post by: kcwong on April 05, 2012, 09:22:05 pm
Well, i've always been burdened.
Windows are good for strength? K.
I've a hand of the dead ranched, but its breed level is something like 130. Takes forever.
Feeding them potions of descent will make it a little bit faster - the weaker it is, the faster it breeds. Use the gene machine to check its level. Hand of the Dead is already the weakest kind of hands.
You'd still want multiple ranches of hands, if you want to boost your strength fast.
Post by: Leatra on April 06, 2012, 07:29:45 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 06, 2012, 09:12:47 am
I have two hand ranches, two horse ranches and one putit ranch. I named the Putit 'Dragon'.
I'll try to get one more Putit ranch at least, and then more of the others.
Post by: EveryZig on April 18, 2012, 11:11:46 pm
There aren't many games where you can play a multi-armed, six-weapon-wielding, T-Rex riding mutant and have the game still be balanced.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 19, 2012, 11:45:05 am
I tried Warping my way to that place with the sping. I get closer each time!
Oh yeah, I killed a big daddy with a bell. Took me forever, and I had no ally space >:(...
Post by: Micro102 on April 19, 2012, 11:55:31 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on April 19, 2012, 01:20:43 pm
I might replace my horses with putits until my CHA is high enough to get more things.
Post by: Kaitol on April 20, 2012, 03:58:47 pm
Post by: SomethingCreative on May 25, 2012, 01:44:58 pm
Another Japanese user mod has been released, called elona+.
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Just throwing this up there for those of you that don't know it. Elona+ is finally public, and the link is located on the Elonaplus wiki.
Elona+ seems to add various new content, namely the south part of the continent is fleshed out and accessible with new unique items and revamped skills amongst other things.
From what I can gather, the 2 NPC classes are now playable (Predator and Gunner) and each class now has it's own unique passive. Gunners have a chance of shooting twice, Warriors have a chance of attacking twice and so forth.
There is a new god, and he's all about wealth. His god pet apprently eats food and craps out platinum coins. It's refered to as the Platinum Goose, likely a shoutout to the Golden Goose story. The other gods had some revamps. Mani of Machine now gives some sort of passive damage boost, likely to guns, as well as all the god weapons have been changed. Mani now gives out a grenade launcher unique weapon (No other weapon like it), Jure now gives out a sword and so forth.
Pets now have evolutions. These come in the form of rare items, and can be given to a pet if it has a high enough liking towards you. Example: Lady -> White Princess -> Lady Vampire. Each step requires an evolution item. These can range from rare drops to being dropped by specific bosses.
There's also a bunch of new items. Forbidden meat is a new one, and will swap your gender. There's a business card which allows you to rename your class (not change it) as well as a special mask which allows you to rename your race and so forth.
Skills have gotten a change. There is apparently a new swimming skill now, introduced in South Tyris, though I found it on an item, namely the <Awesome Swimwear> (It's a school one-piece swimsuit). Some old skills/attributes now grant abilities. 100 charm (I think) results in a 200SP skill called Syncro Hearts which I don't really know what it does. It probably increases the relation of everyone in the area (from the translation). Level 40 chant (Meditation?) grants an ability which drains a alot of mana (Says 2 times your max mana) and releases the mana as damage to surrounding enemies.
These are among the many changes that I have yet to delve through. The wiki contains alot of the changes, but the translation can be spotty at times.
I'm just now getting a chance to test it myself, but it looks good so far.
The latest version can be downloaded from,
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/
Click the link that should look something like,
http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/C/so/166760.zip
Click the rectangle just below C_166760.zip のダウンロード near the top of the page.
Next page should have a blue link that contains a 'click here to start download'. Click that of course.
The zip contains what I think is Elona 1.22, with Elona+ already installed on it. Cheers!
Post by: Seriyu on June 07, 2012, 06:44:17 pm
EDIT: Admittantly it is very hard to find the download given the entire elona+ wiki is in japanese. :P
EDIT2: Think I got it. Most recent version is 1.06?
Post by: Wolf Tengu on June 08, 2012, 11:30:45 am
Post by: SomethingCreative on June 08, 2012, 12:36:17 pm
EDIT2: Think I got it. Most recent version is 1.06?
You got the right one. Shame on me for not posting download instructions/links. I'll update my post with instructions.
That Elona+ sounds pretty awesome. Will it have an English patch at some point?
I really have no clue. Some of the new stuff appears to have been translated, but other things have not.
Some other things I've found in Elona+:
Riding crop: You can use it on your pets to beat them, but I have no idea what it does. Says something about training IIRC. Gives generic "pervert!" response like the other pet items.
New sprites/art assets: Some of the user interface, items, portraits, and misc game sprites have been given new art. A lot of this stuff is pretty nice looking, I like it!
Quest changes: Harvest time quests give random piles of seeds in addition to their usual rewards. Worshipping Kumiromi is no longer a requirement for farming.
New NPCs: I've encountered some <child> creatures here and there. No doubt they have something to do with the new evolution stuff and whatnot. I managed to catch a <griffin child?> with a ball, and holy moly! It was mincing most things I came across in one or two hits.
Misc changes: Gathering from resource spots is now instantaneous.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on June 08, 2012, 02:56:03 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 08, 2012, 02:59:24 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 08, 2012, 05:37:08 pm
Small question, what does "maintains x stat" do on equipment? I never quite figured that out. Keeps it from lowering when you die?
EDIT: Also worth mentioning, aside from the two new classes, most of the new content really doesn't need translating. They tweak stuff, there are new tiles, the portraits look a lot less Jpeg artifacty, there's music (that isn't terrible, actually) etc.
There are some new NPC's but most of the stuff is tweaks rather then full on new quest chains or whathaveyou.
Post by: Blaze on June 08, 2012, 05:39:46 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 08, 2012, 06:51:12 pm
Every stat down message is like a knife in my heart.
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 11, 2012, 12:19:10 am
Started out using Elona ELM version with Deon's graphics (love it, should be linked to new players too as I've only luckily stumbled upon it).
I've read up a lot of the pages here and the wiki and is starting out quite nicely enough...until I wore a cursed outfit that occasionally sucks my blood, teleports me and seemingly steal some pocket change I think. I also found it amusing that I got a bottle of my own blood pop out as I was travelling the map (should happen more often, I'm my own blood selling source!)
Also just chose a God upon leveling up to 4...now I just need to uncurse myself, getting distracted by bleeding while tapping Shena's ass is starting to get annoying...bleeding on her is just rude. Unless she's into that...
Also plan to keep my 1st Little Girl for RP purposes. Kinda' like Rance....only with less rape.
Oh, yeah...why do quicky coitus drive the NPC people slightly insane? Is my character that good or is ether love juices after effect that potent? Well, I do find them suddenly dancing around after stripping naked and such amusing.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 11, 2012, 02:21:26 am
Post by: Seriyu on June 11, 2012, 02:45:58 am
Post by: Blaze on June 11, 2012, 12:59:17 pm
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 12, 2012, 03:26:00 am
Encountered a bug...somehow I'm unable to report my success to Shena and she forever loops the "how is it going?" line (must be from saving and leaving after finishing the quest or something I did that I don't remember) even though I've cleared the thieves hideout.
It annoyed me enough that I just made a new character (Servant Race, Claymore class). Funny how the Tutorial instructor just went ahead and got drunk while teaching (hey, easy early money). 1st dream also had a wizard teach me a Resurrection spell, so that's nifty.
Also tried jumping in (& save-scumming) Moongates. Ended up in a church town dedicated to Jure, a small house filled with an angel maid & stuff, A large custom home with lotsa' Little Sisters/Young Ladies (so many nifty stuff that needs stealing, yet have no such skills)...and a seemingly quiet snow town. That is until I hear several death messages. I of course broke every rule in horror movie survival by not running the hell out and decided to search for the source...came to the largest building/main hall(?) as more death can be heard...opened the doors...and as expected, high leveled tentacle horrors and such (Like a comedy sketch, I then closed the door & they opened it & peeked right back, no points on guessing how that ended).
Oh! a coupe of questions:
- Will "acquiring" an important/town NPC (for ranch or whatever) have little effect and a new one will eventually respawn and take over for the original?
- Will ranch grown special entities have different equipment as well that can be confiscated?
- Will wishing for a God just make them appear there before you and they'll just decide to hang out (won't leave your house, drink your booze, etc)? Can you bind them to you as well?
- Raw cursed panties....worth tasting?
- Any other version that might be interesting or other nice graphic packs (still reading through this thread...so, so, sooo random)?
Post by: Tiruin on June 12, 2012, 03:45:08 am
- Raw cursed panties....worth tasting?Not worth it, it's cursed. >:D
You have a raw item, a consumable piece of clothing. If it were Raw panties, that is worth tasting. Edible throwable weapons.
Post by: Blaze on June 12, 2012, 03:46:12 am
Any interact-able NPC's (The ones that you can't walk through even when friendly) shouldn't be obtainable without hacking. I'm guessing they have negative breeding power, but I haven't done it myself. It shouldn't cause any problems even if they do have any chance of breeding.
They'll just poof in front of you with a unique message for each god. Again, you can't catch/dominate them without hacking. Even if you did, you'd just die repeatedly everytime an enemy shows up since all gods have access to Mewmewmew!, which fires an low orbit laser cannon at everyone except the user dealing 9,999,999 unresistable damage.
Cursed anything makes you vomit. While eating equipment that "maintains" a stat gives experience for that stat, you'll lose more stat xp from vomiting.
Post by: Frostbite on June 12, 2012, 08:02:56 am
i am just wondering what all the new passives they have i seen someone say warrior has a double attack what about thief , pianist and others ?
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2012, 11:13:12 am
Post by: ductape on June 12, 2012, 11:15:11 am
Post by: Blaze on June 12, 2012, 12:15:50 pm
can someone post the actual download link? I followed the directions in the previous post and I am still confused.Elona Xmas (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/file/elona_xmas.zip) The latest stable version.
Elona 1.22 (http://noaneko.squares.net/dev/elona122.zip) The latest version.
1.22 Fanpatch (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13554027/elona.zip)
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the dice thing is very confusing.Damage dice is real easy, the first number is minimum damage, multiply both numbers to get the maximum damage.
A 2d5 weapon deals 2-10 base damage, a 5d2 weapon deals base 5-10 damage, and a 10d2 weapon deals 10-20 base damage.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2012, 12:23:01 pm
Thanks, thats what i thought it was but i wasn't sure.. Using a 1d25+2 bardish atm. 1 more thing though, do you know where i could find a cure mutation potion (not cure corruption, ik you get those from blackjack)?can someone post the actual download link? I followed the directions in the previous post and I am still confused.Elona Xmas (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/file/elona_xmas.zip) The latest stable version.
Elona 1.22 (http://noaneko.squares.net/dev/elona122.zip) The latest version.
1.22 Fanpatch (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13554027/elona.zip)Quotethe dice thing is very confusing.Damage dice is real easy, the first number is minimum damage, multiply both numbers to get the maximum damage.
A 2d5 weapon deals 2-10 base damage, a 5d2 weapon deals base 5-10 damage, and a 10d2 weapon deals 10-20 base damage.
Post by: Leatra on June 12, 2012, 12:38:40 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2012, 01:08:25 pm
Post by: Aoi on June 12, 2012, 01:15:04 pm
Also:can someone post the actual download link? I followed the directions in the previous post and I am still confused.Elona Xmas (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/file/elona_xmas.zip) The latest stable version.
Elona 1.22 (http://noaneko.squares.net/dev/elona122.zip) The latest version.
1.22 Fanpatch (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13554027/elona.zip)
Elona+ (JP): http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/ (Last updated June 10th? Good to see development on it is still live...)
Compilation of other mods (JP): http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaval/
Post by: snelg on June 12, 2012, 04:04:48 pm
Yeah just noticed 2 cure mutation potions in the wizard shop, drank them but didn't cure the thing i wanted it to, tried to save scum and then the potions were gone :P. Guess i will invest.If you find them lying around you might want to store a few for emergency use. It's not always easy to be prepared for everything in the beginning but it can come in useful later.
Post by: Leatra on June 12, 2012, 04:11:31 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 12, 2012, 07:00:08 pm
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warrior --increase the chance of extra melee attack (works with melee weapons even those that doesnt have this attribute)
thief --avoidance rate increase
wizard --reduce consumption of MP
farmer --increase the chance of decapitation (but only for weapons that has this attribute, scythe, sickle, sniper rifles)
predator --critical rate increase
archer --General physical attacks hit rate rise last (not sure what this is, definitely not the hit stat you see in the character window)
warmage --casting rate increases by 5%
tourist --lose more money from pickpockets? (D: doesnt seem like a bonus at all)
pianist --sometimes nullifies sound damage you receive
gunner --increases the chance of extra ranged attack (works with ranged weapons even those that doesnt have this attribute)
priest --increase effect of HP recovering spells
claymore --rarely invokes an absolute piercing attack (works even if the weapon doesnt have this attribute)
And another bit of interesting stuff...
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added skills:
rampage requires lvl30 marksman --gives fury status
shadow step requires lvl30 stealth
houzanha requires lvl30 mining --destroy field
mana burst requires lvl40 casting
magic kiss requires lvl20 magic capacity
bakuretuken requires lvl30 martial arts
makouken requires lvl50 martial arts & lvl20 control magic --adds magic dmg to your un-armed attacks
clear mind requires lvl100 martial arts --increase WIL and PER
synchro hearts requires 100 charisma
charge requires 120 constitution after you get the card key (what card key?)
ensemble requires lvl30 performer --allows you to play without a music instrument (if the pet adds bonus, im not sure)
directive requires 10 charisma --switches pet between offense/defense mode
call familiar requires 30 charisma --calls pet that are in standy mode in towns, using it on a pet who's currently with you sends it back to town
Nifty.
Got it off the elona forums, in here. (http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5039&start=60)
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 12, 2012, 08:14:17 pm
ensemble requires lvl30 performer --allows you to play without a music instrument (if the pet adds bonus, im not sure)So basically Air Guitar...you're so good the audience won't even notice your not playing music. Sweet...hopefully you can rock out with your pets too and be a Travelling Mariachi Band of DEATH! And thanks for explaining the dice damage thing. I wasn't totally clear with that myself.
Maybe Predator class can be like the ones in the movies...then you can actually clash with the Alien type enemies so that it comes full circle.
Been doing Party Time quests and failing intentionally cuz' I'm just focusing on Beggars and NPCs weaker than me to steal their stuff (And I can't play any instrument anyway). The minimal Fame drop is nothing. The aphrodisiacs are everywhere in that place....will the increased friendship status via drunkin' partying carry over outside?
Post by: Seriyu on June 12, 2012, 08:33:18 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 13, 2012, 04:06:49 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 13, 2012, 04:40:23 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 13, 2012, 05:50:47 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 13, 2012, 06:43:03 pm
Simply drop any non-pickpocketed non-furniture item and at the end of each day, your shopkeeper (may) sell some items and deposit the earned cash/items in your shop's strongbox.
In the beginning, you can only keep 10 items in the store, but you can upgrade your store to hold more items (and be larger, but it's more or less cosmetic).
As your shopkeeper sells more items, your shop rank will increase, bringing in more customers as well as earning a small amount of income regardless of items sold.
Items that you sell to NPC shops are capped at 1/3 of it's base value no matter how high your negotiation is, with equipment getting a further 95% price decrease. Your pet shopkeeper doesn't have this limit.
Items sold to you by NPC shops are massively jacked up because you probably have low negotiation skill. If you chose a race/class that starts with negotiation (Which is skill level 4), a 500gp item will cost 10,000gp. At 10 negotiation, a 500gp item will cost 4,545gp. If you don't know the negotiation skill AT ALL, items will cost 100x higher than they normally would.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 13, 2012, 07:13:03 pm
Post by: Leatra on June 13, 2012, 07:26:12 pm
Post by: kcwong on June 13, 2012, 07:36:26 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 13, 2012, 07:42:49 pm
Post by: Leatra on June 13, 2012, 07:56:11 pm
Whenever you are in Yowyn, kill <Gwen> the Innocent and get the card. She will always follow you around the town so you don't have to search her and she is easy to kill.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 13, 2012, 08:01:38 pm
Post by: Micro102 on June 13, 2012, 10:38:33 pm
Post by: SomethingCreative on June 14, 2012, 07:24:04 am
Elona+ has been updated to version 1.07. I found the changelog and jammed it through google translate. Still pretty illegible, but I'm posting it anyway in the spoilers below.
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Post by: Drakale on June 14, 2012, 09:02:14 am
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• If the PC has a friendly smile feet, to take effect and also "attacks" of fellow.
I... What is... I Don't..
Post by: Leatra on June 14, 2012, 09:40:16 am
Oh man. I had no idea cargo was so lucrative. I finally got my first 100,000gp without cheating like a dirty little cheating cheater.Prostution is even more lucrative IF you got the wicked trait. I made 800k in like half an hour if I remember right. I really wanted to buy that castle.
Post by: snelg on June 14, 2012, 12:29:02 pm
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Post by: Wolf Tengu on June 14, 2012, 02:09:00 pm
Tell me when there's ann english version of +
Then I can Gene some items of awesome over. Think Gene will ever do anything but items?
EVOLVING GOLDEN Knight.
Post by: SomethingCreative on June 14, 2012, 04:37:47 pm
Tell me when there's an english version of +
I'm a little bit confused.
Do you mean a fully 100% english translation of +?
Because you can already play it in english, just like regular Elona.
Prostution is even more lucrative IF you got the wicked trait. I made 800k in like half an hour if I remember right. I really wanted to buy that castle.
I can't help but ask, how the heck do you make that much doing the hanky panky? I've never made diddly squat doing the horizontal bop. Super high charisma score or something?
Post by: Seriyu on June 14, 2012, 04:42:13 pm
Post by: joemoben on June 14, 2012, 04:59:50 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 14, 2012, 05:37:21 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 14, 2012, 05:46:11 pm
So i bought the museum and have about 80 rank on it now, but where does the money end up that i get from it. salary box?
The chest in your house
Post by: MrWiggles on June 14, 2012, 06:11:04 pm
Is it still window only?
Post by: SomethingCreative on June 16, 2012, 03:43:22 pm
Is there an english wiki for Elona+
Not that I'm aware of. Just the Japanese wiki and google translate. !!楽しい
!!
Is it still window only?
As in windows the operating system? Yes. Elona has no Linux or Mac ports, but I recall reading that it runs on Wine (poorly).
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2012, 04:03:00 pm
Not that I'm aware of. Just the Japanese wiki and google translate. !!楽しいうそつけ
!!
Post by: Blaze on June 17, 2012, 03:05:10 am
Berg's fix to delivery quests wasn't working correctly, so it was fixed.
Changes to the way AP is processed, now fudged to be more dependent on your speed vs enemy speed.
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Gwen and Guards are now stronger.
The chance of equipment damage from attacks is 1 + 1% of original damage dealt.
Pets can now evolve using "Evolution items". (Particularly God Pets)
Garok's hammer now has a superior material effect and is now completely random.
Garok has a new item.
Monster Quota for the warrior's guild quest is halved.
Added Music Ticket trader is South Tyris.
Added North Tyris "Barrier"
Potion of Hermes blood no longer decreases speed potential.
X-proof blankets can now be destroyed when they run out of charges (5% chance, compared to the original 0).
The Gentle Smile feat now works even when a pet attacks.
The amount of skills you can track was raised to 15.
"Directive" and "Call Familiar" have reduced Stamina costs and no longer use a turn.
New craftable items and fusion recipes. (Synthesis items such as Troll Cell and Ikaros Wing have no use yet).
Changes to trade, item prices fluctuate a lot more. You can no longer use return if you exceed your cargo capacity. Furthermore, good vendors have limited cash.
Performance has been nerfed, but audience made a bit more forgiving.
South Tyris now populated and has an entire quest line. (None of it is translated and you'll get random empty dialogue)
Blacksmiths can smith items, which increases their magical plus at the cost of gold. This can bypass the +6 limit of greater enchant scrolls.
Healers can uncurse equipped items.
The item "Astral Light Pen" allows certain pets to become unique characters.
Swimming skill.
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Added new god: Yacatect, god of wealth.
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Mewmewmew! nerfed.
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Added loads of new artifacts, monsters, and items.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
High resistances to elements no longer give immunity to their debuffs.
Added new activate-able abilities, tied to certain skills. (Like Unarmed)
Classes have class-specific abilities.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Monsters generated from splitters no longer drop items.
New damage type "Blitz".
"Eternal Force" weapons now affect the entire area.
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No more waiting animations for searching/fishing.
Traveling now increases skill potential and trains skills.
The effect of DV is boosted.
"Skill potential increase" dreams now affect ALL skills instead of one random skill.
Booze nerfed.
Tax is now fudged to be mostly dependant on fame.
A new ether disease effect.
HP loss when vomiting with Anorexia.
God pets now have 0 breed chance.
You can use a stethoscope to determine whether a monster can eat. (Yellow = not hungry).
The debuff "Brainwashed" has been added. It's really nasty
Random Enemy Npcs like Goda and Isca can be befriended Nanoha style.
You can build card decks.
Wilderness encounters are now influenced by fame.
You can leave pets at the "Dojyou" in Tyris, this allows you to bypass the 15 pet limit.
Added new dungeons to North Tyris.
There are plenty of other minor additions, but this covers the gist of it.
Post by: Aoi on June 17, 2012, 06:01:24 am
Random Enemy Npcs like Goda and Isca can be befriended Nanoha style.
As in... "I've always hated you, but when you beat me, I suddenly realized we're kindred spirits and will follow you to the ends of the earth"? =P
Post by: kcwong on June 17, 2012, 06:53:09 am
I started a Claymore in Elona+, and I wore nothing but light items (feathered hat, robe, etc.), except the signature weapon. But I still see Medium Armor improved message on me once in a while. How could I be improving Medium Armor if I never wear any?
Also eating items give you boosts... I ate a uncursed raw pistol and got almost 2000 rounds of PER growth bonus.
Post by: Blaze on June 17, 2012, 07:16:50 am
Raw equipment giving growth boosts was part of vanilla Elona. Eating an item that "Maintains" a stat gives you bonus growth for a set period of time. I dunno if eating items that maintain luck in Elona+ still crashes the game.
Post by: Myroc on June 17, 2012, 07:18:15 am
Post by: 3 on June 17, 2012, 10:22:42 am
I get the feeling E+ has some subtler features as well. I've been seeing a lot more OOD monsters than usual, for instance.
Post by: Seriyu on June 17, 2012, 07:01:45 pm
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The best part of this is that you get wet when it rains.
This immediately conjurs a mental image of someone swimming through the rain successfully. A pity it never rains in dungeons.
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 17, 2012, 11:04:20 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 17, 2012, 11:07:13 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 17, 2012, 11:26:43 pm
If you're using a version older than Vanilla 1.22 you might have problems, so transfer it to 1.22 then to Elona+.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 17, 2012, 11:29:00 pm
Anyway, in Elona+, I've been messing around with a Juere fighter. He's doing okay. I'm debating well-scumming for wishes, though I'm leaning towards not doing it.
Post by: kcwong on June 18, 2012, 03:13:10 am
◎ means okay
1.22→1.16 ×
1.16→ElonaPlus ◎
1.22→ElonaPlus ◎
ElonaPlus→1.22、1.16 ×
There's also a table for a bunch of mods.
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 18, 2012, 09:08:20 am
But I'll stick with ELM for now in my current character and let Elona+ develop for a while more (also a bit spoiled by the visible stamina, better sprite and pic quality and stuff).
Some game experiences:
> Saw a fire start in Vernis...from the inside of one of the houses (I think it was the puppy girl's or her neighbors). It was amusing watching the normal citizens burn but the guards and others had a lot more HP, the town was eventually spared by rain as it was burning half of Shena's bar (apparently, Lulwy of Wind & Ehekatl of Luck also loves Shena's ass...they weren't kidding). Didn't get any nice loot though, the named characters were tough.
> Also saw a fire start in the Port town...which seemed to have begun at the Arena (sabotage?). Got to hand it to the Guild guard...he stood there in the flames like a boss. Was also saved by rain...maybe the Gods were easily bored or were in a merciful mood.
> Got a wish at a fountain in the dungeon and got some Evolution potions...but I apparently lost it when a mage summoned from an earlier drink shot us with magic. Ffffffuuuuuuuuu...
>Got some Ebon fire giant tail.......I don't really want to know the details (Paid quite well though...I guess he gets a salary as well).
(Hmm...does wishing in the Puppy dungeon negate the "lesser luck each drink" since it is random and reforms?)
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 18, 2012, 12:50:55 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 18, 2012, 04:57:12 pm
1b. You only need 1 of the creature you want to breed, they'll reproduce on their own.
2. I'm pretty sure it does, yes.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 18, 2012, 05:07:44 pm
Post by: kcwong on June 18, 2012, 09:22:25 pm
Also remember you get paid twice a month (1st and 15th) but only pay tax once.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 18, 2012, 09:52:48 pm
Ranches don't pay off in money though... you just get one chosen stat growth, very slowly.Well I just thought it would be something to work forward too. Getting better gear takes a while, and ranches seem like an interesting thing to buy.
Also remember you get paid twice a month (1st and 15th) but only pay tax once.
Post by: Leatra on June 19, 2012, 07:51:30 am
Ranches don't pay off in money though... you just get one chosen stat growth, very slowly.Well I just thought it would be something to work forward too. Getting better gear takes a while, and ranches seem like an interesting thing to buy.
Also remember you get paid twice a month (1st and 15th) but only pay tax once.
Stat growth is more valuable than money anytime. Money isn't that difficult to get if you know how to get it.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 19, 2012, 11:22:40 am
I agree. Money is getting harder for me to get though.. Since my fame is getting around 6000 so I don't do many missions anymore and I don't feel like failing them over and over.Ranches don't pay off in money though... you just get one chosen stat growth, very slowly.Well I just thought it would be something to work forward too. Getting better gear takes a while, and ranches seem like an interesting thing to buy.
Also remember you get paid twice a month (1st and 15th) but only pay tax once.
Stat growth is more valuable than money anytime. Money isn't that difficult to get if you know how to get it.
Post by: Frostbite on June 19, 2012, 11:40:47 pm
That and where is the new god ?
any tips for a newbie in the whole faith department that might help me out ?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 19, 2012, 11:51:18 pm
Post by: ollobrains on June 19, 2012, 11:55:12 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 20, 2012, 12:16:41 am
Post by: Seriyu on June 20, 2012, 03:52:47 am
Post by: ~Q~ on June 20, 2012, 04:38:12 am
is this game in development still or dead vapourwearThat's not what vapourware is.
Post by: miguelsz2 on June 20, 2012, 04:12:45 pm
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 20, 2012, 07:01:22 pm
It's not as broken as Wizard Mode since I still got to work for the stuff, but it really helps and is my kind of "cheating".
So much kitty banks filled with my hard earned dough...and Pael will never have to worry cuz' I'll be giving her Mom a life time supply of Cure Corruption (I still had to beat Blackjack several times to start off, that Mewmew day was worth it) which also fixes my future Karma problems ( I had so much I was using them to put out fires at Palmia).
NUKES FOR EVERYONE!
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2012, 07:18:13 pm
So I just discovered how to duplicate items...Haha....hahahaha.....BWAHAHAHAHA~Would you like to share or are you going to keep it for yourself?
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 20, 2012, 07:32:44 pm
So I just discovered how to duplicate items...Haha....hahahaha.....BWAHAHAHAHA~Would you like to share or are you going to keep it for yourself?
Spoilered yo' as this might break some peoples enjoyment...but here it is:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2012, 07:43:42 pm
Post by: Leatra on June 20, 2012, 08:42:07 pm
Neat. I imagine it'd help if I had a kitty bank at all. The only one I've seen so far on my latest character was in 500k increments. I don't think I've ever had that much gold ever.
My record is 1M 8)
Man, I spent like 1.5 hours doing that boring monotonous prostitution run. I had more than 150 bottles of alcohol stashed in my warehouse before I started.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 21, 2012, 04:14:42 am
Post by: Leatra on June 21, 2012, 07:09:27 am
It's the best way to get money but this monotonous activity can kill your brain.
Shift + G, Choose alcohol, move to the NPC, choose "Interested in a little tail t'night?", Repeat a thousand times or until you fall asleep.
Post by: Frostbite on June 21, 2012, 08:58:18 am
is there a way to see stamina in the game because its annoying
Post by: snelg on June 21, 2012, 09:09:53 am
i never understood how people can do that , after 1 maybe 2 times i am to tried too and cant till i sleepDon't think you can see it in the regular game, but it has been addad in some of the forks (at least it was there in ELM when I tried that).
is there a way to see stamina in the game because its annoying
Post by: Leatra on June 21, 2012, 11:07:50 am
i never understood how people can do that , after 1 maybe 2 times i am to tried too and cant till i sleep
is there a way to see stamina in the game because its annoying
I forgot to mention that. Shift + R to rest after every two... sessions. Change the options so you won't have to wait while resting. It's pretty easy. Shift + R, choose the NPC, choose the option, repeat... Takes less than 5 secs.
Post by: Frostbite on June 21, 2012, 04:15:28 pm
Post by: Leatra on June 21, 2012, 04:23:11 pm
is 1 rest ever enough?At start it is but after 2-3 cycles you get tired quickly. Maybe rest two times to guarantee. When I'm doing a run, I rest one time, and after doing it I rest twice and after that, one time again and two times. You get the idea.
If you don't have the wicked trait expect a huge karma hit. I never do it without getting the wicked trait first. It's a lot of work, bombing Palmia and being a criminal until you raise your karma, but you practically get infinite money after you get the trait. It seems like an exploit sometimes.
Visit the shops you invested in. They have more money than usual.
Post by: Niveras on June 21, 2012, 05:13:52 pm
I think I was playing Elona+ or ELM, since I had a stamina counter. A session would consume about 70 stamina (~110 to 50 or 40), and each rest would only restore about 9 or 10. Was greatly tedious.
Not sure if being a fairy pianist made any difference. Speed was probably ~140 (maybe?) after all the gear and mutations I had.
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on June 21, 2012, 07:08:11 pm
I think I was playing Elona+ or ELM, since I had a stamina counter. A session would consume about 70 stamina (~110 to 50 or 40), and each rest would only restore about 9 or 10. Was greatly tedious.The same with me. Playing ELM myself and I have to 'R'est several times because it restores very little (more or less 10-20 stamina I think). So yeah, different version tweaks I guess...
Extra Note: Don't try to duplicate Precious one of a kind Items like Unknown Shell and such. It can be...troublesome...as it also affects your Pets inventories and can lead to equipment problems.
Also lost my Cooler Box cuz' of it....not cool (haha, cheating Karma). Luckily I've got an older back-up save to fall back on.
Post by: Leatra on June 22, 2012, 07:48:21 am
Anyway, resting doesn't really take much time if you turn off the animations and waiting times. It takes less than a second for the game to process that resting phase.
Post by: kcwong on June 23, 2012, 03:09:52 am
Edit: Off to learn Gene Engineering so I can check if he's a good pet or not... according to vanilla, probably not... D:
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 23, 2012, 03:28:02 am
Somebody mentioned befriending foes 'Nanoha' style.
Post by: kcwong on June 23, 2012, 11:52:58 pm
I've found some now and then; I tried to offer food to a griffin child. When I tried to gave it a store-bought apple pie, it refuses to take it. When I tried to give it a dish of risky noodle I cooked, it refuses *and* said "It's too creepy. I don't want it."
T_T
Edit: Wait, I got a tamer's whip with me... let me see if that's it...
Edit 2: "Use what? Train who? Except you can not train a pet." That's not it then... at least I found out griffins find a lot of stuff creepy, not just my cooking...
Post by: Vibhor on June 24, 2012, 01:32:40 am
I started as a pianist and they only start with 10 or so points in that skill.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2012, 01:41:53 am
They do get bored of you after a while though.
Post by: Leatra on June 24, 2012, 02:29:20 am
Post by: kcwong on June 24, 2012, 06:23:04 am
If you think you can make the trip, go to the little sister's mansion. Once you're there, attack the little sister shopkeeper so that she starts summoning hordes of level 1 little sisters. Get out of sight of the strong shopkeeper one, and then just perform for the weak summoned sisters.
They do get bored of you after a while though.
Instead of attacking her directly, just zap a wand of summon monsters. The monsters would be hostile to everyone, so the sister shopkeeper would start summoning without getting mad at you.
Kill the monsters after you think you have enough sisters... because otherwise it would be quite hard to talk to the sister shopkeeper again (they all look the same). She sells a special lunchbox that can restore your sanity.
For the bored thing, you can simply wait for tomorrow... do other stuff in the mean time. Like zapping wands of wall creation and mining. :3 Getting bored of your music is in vanilla, even before X'mas version.
Post by: Niveras on June 24, 2012, 07:55:25 am
Anyone knows what you can do with those [monster] child?
I've found some now and then; I tried to offer food to a griffin child. When I tried to gave it a store-bought apple pie, it refuses to take it. When I tried to give it a dish of risky noodle I cooked, it refuses *and* said "It's too creepy. I don't want it."
The "It's too creepy" response is, AFAIK, because the item is cursed. Or maybe just unidentified. I remember seeing it sometimes when boozing up NPCs.
Post by: snelg on June 24, 2012, 12:11:42 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 24, 2012, 03:18:03 pm
(Hint, it was {Whom dwells in vanity})
So now I have the sword that ends all. Its surprisingly meh.
Also my secret to performer is to go to the mansion of little girl. Loads of lv1 neutrals if you hit the shop-keeper.
Post by: Seriyu on June 24, 2012, 04:49:12 pm
Just sayin.
Post by: Aoi on June 24, 2012, 05:18:42 pm
Also my secret to performer is to go to the mansion of little girl. Loads of lv1 neutrals if you hit the shop-keeper.
...Can you still use the shopkeeper after?
Post by: Ochita on June 24, 2012, 05:20:44 pm
I'd be careful with that thing.I already have a 4D6+5 weapon. Its also [+3] in terms of enchantment, so thats.. 4d6+9 damage. Its better than the sword that ends all. :V
Just sayin.
Well, she gets angry, just summons up a whole maps worth of little girls, but otherwise if you leave and come back, she'll be totally fine with you.Also my secret to performer is to go to the mansion of little girl. Loads of lv1 neutrals if you hit the shop-keeper....Can you still use the shopkeeper after?
Post by: Leatra on June 24, 2012, 06:16:12 pm
Post by: Ochita on June 24, 2012, 06:32:26 pm
Also A Hermit crab was bred from a putit in my ranch. I did not know that was possible.
Post by: Leatra on June 24, 2012, 06:37:23 pm
Post by: webadict on June 24, 2012, 06:53:12 pm
The sword that ends all summons an ether wind and summons a shitload of creatures that will kill everything including you. So... It's impossible to use it as a weapon. It's a cool way to commit suicide though.Just use to sword to kill them!
Problem solved.
Post by: Azthor on June 24, 2012, 07:35:08 pm
The sword that ends all summons an ether wind and summons a shitload of creatures that will kill everything including you. So... It's impossible to use it as a weapon. It's a cool way to commit suicide though.Just use to sword to kill them!
Problem solved.
Sadly, you usually trigger "Let's Ragnarok" several times in the process. :-\
Post by: webadict on June 24, 2012, 07:47:01 pm
Use the sword to kill those monsters.The sword that ends all summons an ether wind and summons a shitload of creatures that will kill everything including you. So... It's impossible to use it as a weapon. It's a cool way to commit suicide though.Just use to sword to kill them!
Problem solved.
Sadly, you usually trigger "Let's Ragnarok" several times in the process. :-\
This is really simple.
Post by: Azthor on June 24, 2012, 07:51:38 pm
Use the sword to kill those monsters.The sword that ends all summons an ether wind and summons a shitload of creatures that will kill everything including you. So... It's impossible to use it as a weapon. It's a cool way to commit suicide though.Just use to sword to kill them!
Problem solved.
Sadly, you usually trigger "Let's Ragnarok" several times in the process. :-\
This is really simple.
Sure, there is no way that won't work. Go ahead and give it a try. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 24, 2012, 07:57:37 pm
2. Go back to step 1
3. Die
I think that's how it goes.
Post by: Azthor on June 24, 2012, 07:58:56 pm
1. Use sword, summon creatures
2. Go back to step 1
3. Die
I think that's how it goes.
If your damage multiplier is in excess of 100x, it just might be possible. Good luck grinding your way to that though.
Post by: kcwong on June 24, 2012, 08:14:50 pm
Yeah, different creatures can be bred but very rarely. If I remember right there was a ghost-like creature that bred random creatures. I never got lucky though.
Little girls also bred random creatures, at least they do in vanilla. First time I saw my little girl's children... 0_o
Post by: Crandal on June 25, 2012, 09:50:05 am
Post by: kcwong on June 27, 2012, 03:32:47 am
There's a evolution table in the wiki...
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwikiwiki.jp%2Felonaplus%2F%3F%25A4%25E8%25A4%25AF%25A4%25A2%25A4%25EB%25BC%25C1%25CC%25E4%25BD%25B8
However, I have absolutely no idea where to find those treasure items required, nor how do I start the evolution once I have them.
Post by: Seriyu on June 27, 2012, 03:59:04 am
Also all animals have a very small chance to breed into a different animal for no discernable reason.
Post by: Frostbite on June 27, 2012, 07:55:20 am
I tried pianist before and it was meh
Wizard i hear can be useful but again isn't that just grinding in a dungeon?
are the other classes even viable?
Post by: Ivefan on June 27, 2012, 08:10:59 am
I feel like playing something different , What class is fun to play but still can be useful later on?.. i dont feel like playing any of the melee or ranged type classes like i leveled before..Dunno if it has changed in the fan versions, but wizards problem is that you level up each spell individually by using it, which means you need a truckload of spellbooks.
I tried pianist before and it was meh
Wizard i hear can be useful but again isn't that just grinding in a dungeon?
are the other classes even viable?
Though you can order a bunch of them from the mage guild
Post by: Ochita on June 29, 2012, 03:43:24 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 29, 2012, 03:55:44 pm
Puppy cave. You can basically farm the first level, and you'll usually get spells that you can learn/cast.
...isn't that just grinding in a dungeon?It is very much grinding.
Post by: kcwong on June 30, 2012, 02:34:50 am
My new character is still pretty weak, so the dungeons I've been diving into is of very, very low level - like 2.
Yet, from the non-hostile little girl boss, I got these:
(http://i.imgur.com/4g3ok.png) (Godly)
(http://i.imgur.com/187pN.png) (Miracle)
(http://i.imgur.com/3sBLh.png)
I also found Unknown Shell in the same dungeon. Two levels before the little girl boss there's a Big Daddy (I couldn't possibly defeat him, so I didn't try).
Earlier I found a potion of cure corruption and Herme's Blood.
Now there's a Hard Gay in my horse ranch too...
Post by: Singularity125 on June 30, 2012, 11:27:10 am
However, I have to agree that the RNG seems more open -- I had a "Search the remains" random event the other day that landed me a potion of descent. Now that's something I'd never seen in Elona before, despite hundreds of hours on 1.22. This event was also in a low-level dungeon.
A little off-topic, but my favorite item I'd ever found for a character was my Yerles Farmer finding a shotgun with "Invokes Draw Shadow (####)". Hence I'd shoot them from far away, which did little damage but drew them into melee range, and then BLAM! It was glorious. I don't think I even have that character anymore, sadly... I tended to start over with each new version, sometimes for fun and sometimes for compatibility reasons.
Post by: Frostbite on June 30, 2012, 11:07:31 pm
Rng?... what is that
Post by: quinnr on June 30, 2012, 11:09:40 pm
noob question ...
Rng?... what is that
Random Number God. The program that the computer uses to decide what randomness happens in a game.
Anyways, I have a computer with a number pad to use now! What version is best for a new player? Reading this thread, ELM and Elona+ seem like the big ones, but I'm not sure what has untranslated junk, and if that would or wouldn't be a problem for me.
Post by: joemoben on June 30, 2012, 11:12:25 pm
Post by: quinnr on July 01, 2012, 12:01:14 am
Ah, turned out just that alcohol didn't work. Took me a while to figure out that the Innkeeper, and not the Barkeep, is where you get the stuff though.
Post by: kcwong on July 01, 2012, 01:02:03 am
Hmm, why doesn't anyone want these 'lots of alcohols' I found? Read that it was a good way to get money but nobody seems to be impressed with myself.
Those "A lot of XXX" are not potions... they are furniture. Place them at your home to increase house rank (which leads to higher salary).
If you got spare scrolls of inferior material, you can use them on furniture that do not already have a material type to increase their values.
e.g. A horn -> A woodwork horn
Check your House Board and see which item you should upgrade for the most effect.
Post by: kcwong on July 01, 2012, 04:03:40 am
You need a pot of fusion, randomly available as loot or in general store:
(http://i.imgur.com/BklxV.png)
(Between my character and my little girl)
(http://i.imgur.com/w7ZWJ.png)
You choose a recipe, then add items from a filtered list of your inventory. At first there's a chance to fail, as you keep using the recipe the chance becomes 100%.
The bag next to the recipe means you have all items required. Red lightning means impossible, blue orb means perfect.
My character had been going straight to the crafting skills; but leveling up them are slow, since I can't dive into too many dungeons yet, the existing ones are too high level.
I've been looking at the same page of recipes since the beginning... anyone know if there will be more as you level up your crafting skills?
Post by: Singularity125 on July 01, 2012, 11:07:15 am
This is all rehashed speculation of course. I've yet to find one of those myself. My character doesn't even know how to cook yet, anyway. >.>
Oh, and I keep a close eye on the thread in the Elona forums about the Java port. Everyone was saying they'd need to ask Noa about redistribution rules, but nobody was doing it. So I took the liberty of asking. Seriously, he's just another human being, he won't bite your head off. :D Anyway, long story short they're fine to distribute the Java executable and, if jdstroy actually wants to (which is hard to tell sometimes, honestly), he could distribute the Java source code, too. Very excited to see where he takes this project. :)
Post by: quinnr on July 01, 2012, 11:15:16 am
Found some site, I think it's a mirror of 4-chan, talking about Elona. They claim that crafting is god-mode, particularly the second "Unknown seed" in that picture. It's mistranslated: what it actually is is an herbal mixture that you can Mix with food for all the bonus stat boosts. Including consistent increases to speed. Of course it takes some herbs to make, but the amount of gardening and cooking required (30 gardening and 20 cooking, IIRC) ought to mean you have a bunch at your farm anyway.
This is all rehashed speculation of course. I've yet to find one of those myself. My character doesn't even know how to cook yet, anyway. >.>
Oh, and I keep a close eye on the thread in the Elona forums about the Java port. Everyone was saying they'd need to ask Noa about redistribution rules, but nobody was doing it. So I took the liberty of asking. Seriously, he's just another human being, he won't bite your head off. :D Anyway, long story short they're fine to distribute the Java executable and, if jdstroy actually wants to (which is hard to tell sometimes, honestly), he could distribute the Java source code, too. Very excited to see where he takes this project. :)
That's actually pretty exciting. A Java port would mean that it would be cross-platform, and I'd be able to use it on my laptop. The game has been pretty fun so far, and I don't think it would be impossible to play it without a number pad, now that I've gotten the hang of the controls and everything.
Post by: JimDale on July 01, 2012, 11:31:18 am
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?Elona%A1%DC%B9%B9%BF%B7%BE%F5%B6%B7#r47ac5d7
Andapparently those aren't download links, maybe an "update list" from what I can gather?
Anyone help?
EDIT: Nevermind, I found it by translating the entire page to "English" and then translating the entire page of lame google english translations into coherent english.
Currently porting my stuff over :> I hope my blessed mass 2d39 battle axe makes it.
Post by: kcwong on July 01, 2012, 12:29:53 pm
The marriage gifts? Along with the usual great items and a potion of cure corruption, a tight rope.
(You can use a tight rope to suicide) ;D
Post by: JimDale on July 01, 2012, 12:36:18 pm
My first marriage in Elona+... a Noyel Horse, for the purpose to be sold to that pervert in Port Kapul.You can also use the iron maiden for this, which I found out recently (much to my dismay and great surprise).
The marriage gifts? Along with the usual great items and a potion of cure corruption, a tight rope.
(You can use a tight rope to suicide) ;D
And using suicide tools doesn't seem to raise any skills.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 01, 2012, 02:22:35 pm
Any idea if Elona+ is in English yet? I feel like murdering my free time with a boarding spike.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 01, 2012, 02:41:38 pm
Post by: JimDale on July 01, 2012, 03:09:00 pm
It's not fully translated, no. But from my understanding, you really won't notice unless you're worshipping the new god or in South Tyris, and since you have to finish all of the standard "story" for that first... it could be a while. You may as well hop in now, especially if you're starting over with a new character.There's some character outside of the cyberdome with yet-to-be-translated dialogue.
On a side note, it seems that throwing a love potion at little girls sometimes drops the item "milk of little girl." Is this new or did I just miss this somehow?
Post by: Alkhemia on July 01, 2012, 03:13:04 pm
You can get a egg as well.It's not fully translated, no. But from my understanding, you really won't notice unless you're worshipping the new god or in South Tyris, and since you have to finish all of the standard "story" for that first... it could be a while. You may as well hop in now, especially if you're starting over with a new character.There's some character outside of the cyberdome with yet-to-be-translated dialogue.
On a side note, it seems that throwing a love potion at little girls sometimes drops the item "milk of little girl." Is this new or did I just miss this somehow?
Post by: kcwong on July 01, 2012, 07:15:10 pm
You can get a egg as well.It's not fully translated, no. But from my understanding, you really won't notice unless you're worshipping the new god or in South Tyris, and since you have to finish all of the standard "story" for that first... it could be a while. You may as well hop in now, especially if you're starting over with a new character.There's some character outside of the cyberdome with yet-to-be-translated dialogue.
On a side note, it seems that throwing a love potion at little girls sometimes drops the item "milk of little girl." Is this new or did I just miss this somehow?
Yup, and it's in vanilla. You may miss though, so it's best to mix it with food.
Post by: quinnr on July 01, 2012, 10:08:04 pm
The quests are pretty nice, too. The people you trade with for 'I Want It!' can be a bit too picky at times though!
EDIT: And now I (on accident) set a bunch of people on fire with Fire Breath. Fun.
EDIT2: "I want to give my kid [garbage] as a birthday present! I'll pay you 921 gold pieces and ore in exchange!"
Post by: kcwong on July 01, 2012, 11:27:34 pm
So, is there any reason when doing the whole 'drinks' for money thing that this innkeeper decides to randomly attack or be attacked by assorted villagers, and/or yell about 'I swear I don't know that girl!'? It is confusing and just ruins the mood! I'm trying to get someone to marry me but having a difficult time with it..
They've gone mad... so anything goes. More profit for you if the dead guy dropped loot!
The quests are pretty nice, too. The people you trade with for 'I Want It!' can be a bit too picky at times though!
The "I Want It" list is not a very large one... furniture (these can be harder to find), wands, books, ores (but not ore pieces), food. You will soon remember about what to keep for these quests. A bunch of those items have 0 or close to 0 weight, so you can gather as many as you want.
When you get the option to trade from the townspeople, take the chance and trade other items from them too (e.g. when they have a nice weapon, or more ores). Buying ores from stores will also give you a profit.
If you have too much ore to carry, you can give them to your pets. You cannot take them back though, so pay attention. When you are in town your pets would sell those ores (for far more than you can) and train their skill potential.
EDIT2: "I want to give my kid [garbage] as a birthday present! I'll pay you 921 gold pieces and ore in exchange!"
Huh huh huh, you haven't see it all yet. :3
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 01, 2012, 11:53:03 pm
- worthless fake gold bar
- shit
- rod of summon monster
- broken vase
- actually, almost every junk item you can find lying around in fields
Post by: JimDale on July 01, 2012, 11:57:00 pm
How can you trade their weapons, anyway? Whenever I select armor or weapon they say "Are you kidding?" and reject.-snip-
-snip--snip-
The "I Want It" list is not a very large one... furniture (these can be harder to find), wands, books, ores (but not ore pieces), food. You will soon remember about what to keep for these quests. A bunch of those items have 0 or close to 0 weight, so you can gather as many as you want.
When you get the option to trade from the townspeople, take the chance and trade other items from them too (e.g. when they have a nice weapon, or more ores). Buying ores from stores will also give you a profit.
If you have too much ore to carry, you can give them to your pets. You cannot take them back though, so pay attention. When you are in town your pets would sell those ores (for far more than you can) and train their skill potential.-snip-
Huh huh huh, you haven't see it all yet. :3
Also, you have a chance of making "dish of roast XXX" when you kill something with fire breath. Saw this first when I roasted a few putits in the putit house within Vernis.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 01, 2012, 11:59:48 pm
Post by: quinnr on July 02, 2012, 12:14:23 am
==Oh, I actually meant when trading. One person wanted some type of fish, and the guy didn't even want the spellbooks or Oracle Scrolls I was trying to trade him for it!The quests are pretty nice, too. The people you trade with for 'I Want It!' can be a bit too picky at times though!==
Post by: Azthor on July 02, 2012, 01:05:46 am
Some of the great things I've seen as birthday gifts for kids:
- worthless fake gold bar
- shit
- rod of summon monster
- broken vase
- actually, almost every junk item you can find lying around in fields
I have seen a "shit" being requested as a birthday gift. I kid you not.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 02, 2012, 01:41:36 am
Post by: somebody on July 02, 2012, 01:55:20 am
snip
I've seen someone asking for someone else's corpse for a birthday.
Post by: kcwong on July 02, 2012, 05:32:18 am
How do you even reliably get shit anyway, without a ranch? Do people just... drop it?
Once in a while you find one as random loot... so yeah, the most reliable way to get some shit on your hands is to keep some creatures in your ranch, and don't slaughter them for meat and genes.
In other news, I observed the random results had been tweaked quite a bit in Elona+. I've found a lot of potions of cure corruption, potential, water and even an evolution as random loot.
Post by: Farce on July 02, 2012, 02:52:49 pm
Also,
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Blaze on July 02, 2012, 03:00:12 pm
A temporary measure (aside from dropping everything) is to get a strong and fast pet to ride.
Post by: quinnr on July 02, 2012, 03:58:03 pm
Post by: Azthor on July 02, 2012, 04:19:37 pm
Geez, as a starting Pianist I'm not doing much better at playing than my warrior, besides dying after one rock instead of three. (Although I suppose starting with a piano is nice.)
Regarding the warrior, you can do Escort/Courier quests to get far more money than you should have, then buy and equip randarts from travelling merchants.
Post by: quinnr on July 02, 2012, 04:25:02 pm
That's a good idea. Do the town merchants ever have randart weapons, though? And how do I tell the difference between a randart and not?Geez, as a starting Pianist I'm not doing much better at playing than my warrior, besides dying after one rock instead of three. (Although I suppose starting with a piano is nice.)
Regarding the warrior, you can do Escort/Courier quests to get far more money than you should have, then buy and equip randarts from travelling merchants.
Post by: Aoi on July 02, 2012, 04:31:00 pm
That's a good idea. Do the town merchants ever have randart weapons, though? And how do I tell the difference between a randart and not?
They're named. Not sure about town merchants, but the ones wandering on the street certainly do.
Post by: quinnr on July 02, 2012, 05:15:08 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 02, 2012, 05:38:53 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on July 02, 2012, 05:39:34 pm
Thanks for all the tips. Previously I thought 3k gold was a lot for me, but now that I've went and bought equipment and started doing quests quickly, I have 10k in minutes! Maybe I will try some of those 'Beauty and the Beast' quests now, they seem like they wouldn't be too bad.
Nononono... they ARE bad. Though it's been half-an-hour since you posted, so you probably learned first hand. Imagine being stopped by a rogue ambush while on a "Before it's too late!" quest. That's about how difficult it is, except you can't teleport to victory because leaving the map automatically fails the mission. I've never actually succeeded at one of those, though I only tried it a couple times, so... yeah. :P
Post by: snelg on July 02, 2012, 05:59:30 pm
'before it's too late' is much safer providing you have enough time and tend to give a bigger reward too.
Post by: Seriyu on July 02, 2012, 06:04:54 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 02, 2012, 06:13:30 pm
Post by: Tiruin on July 02, 2012, 06:30:30 pm
Also,This is very inspirational.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Blaze on July 02, 2012, 06:46:03 pm
Harusame's Pixiv does have a fair bit of Elona fanart. I'd link but it's not entirely SFW.Also,This is very inspirational.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Azthor on July 02, 2012, 09:01:17 pm
INcidentally if you've managed to get seven league boots, "Before it's too late" quests are pretty much free money. Before that, don't bother taking any "before it's too late" quests to uhhh.... snow town. I forget the name. It takes forever to walk through snow.
Early in the game (level 5 and below) I walk around with a rope to hang myself if:
1. Etherwind starts and there is no nearby shelter (understandable).
2. Make it on time for escort quests involving Vernis, Port Kapul or Derphy (extreme).
Post by: kcwong on July 03, 2012, 03:41:09 am
Early in the game (level 5 and below) I walk around with a rope to hang myself if:
1. Etherwind starts and there is no nearby shelter (understandable).
That's quite extreme... besides, you won't stay < level 6 forever.
Etherwind occurs regularly (month 3, 6, 9, 12, starts blowing randomly between 1st to 15th iirc and lasts for a few days), so just keep an eye on the calender in upper left corner and plan accordingly. :P
If you get caught with your pants down, read a non-cursed scroll of return.
Post by: Farce on July 03, 2012, 05:13:44 am
Maybe your armor weighs a ton? Or perhaps you don't have weightlifting skill?Well... I've my gear is Medium-class, apparently, so I don't think it's too bad. IIRC, my body armor and my weapon are pretty heavy, but still. I've got weightlifting, I believe - I started as a farmer, so I didn't have it normally, but I've since learned it and am trying to raise my skill at it. Mostly naturally. :x
A temporary measure (aside from dropping everything) is to get a strong and fast pet to ride.
I mean, the constant damage is good for my healing and Constitution training, I think, but still.
Incidentally, the whole "tail t'night" thing doesn't work unless I drop a bunch of stuff, to get my speed up ten points or so - the guy just doesn't stay drunk long enough. That's a little annoying.
Post by: kcwong on July 03, 2012, 06:53:32 am
Well... I've my gear is Medium-class, apparently, so I don't think it's too bad. IIRC, my body armor and my weapon are pretty heavy, but still. I've got weightlifting, I believe - I started as a farmer, so I didn't have it normally, but I've since learned it and am trying to raise my skill at it. Mostly naturally. :x
Spend some platinum coins to train skill potential... it is very effective at a low skill level. Also, get Gardening and do harvest quests. Even if you fail to meet the quota, it will give you pretty decent training on Strength.
Eventually you'll be able to carry a 30.0s food processor and a nice bed around like they are nothing. :P
Post by: amjh on July 03, 2012, 12:05:26 pm
Post by: JimDale on July 03, 2012, 12:34:15 pm
How does the dojo in Elona+ work?I think it's supposed to train pets over time. You give her a pet and it stays there to train (?). I'm just guessing, but I DID manage to get a pet to stay there from pressing some combinations of choices.
Post by: Blaze on July 03, 2012, 12:46:56 pm
I don't know if pets left in the Dojo get trained or not, but pets left there do not count towards your pet limit, so there's that.
Post by: amjh on July 03, 2012, 12:48:09 pm
Post by: JimDale on July 03, 2012, 01:39:54 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on July 03, 2012, 02:34:54 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 03, 2012, 02:55:21 pm
Might wait until there's more translation.
It's going to be strange trying to do things without boots of Awesome and a vindale cloak. I think i'll dive the puppy cave for loot and then drink from every fountain ever.
Post by: JimDale on July 03, 2012, 04:25:31 pm
The plank of Carneades is probably made with the Custom Item system. I'm not sure which versions of Elona have the system, other than Omake. The "plank of" seems to be a translation of the "本" suffix, used for quantities of long objects. I can't seem to make a custom item that doesn't include "plank of" in the name, which supports the suffix hypothesis. Carneades might be the default name modifier for equipment made of wood, which you can't normally get, or it might be a default name when none is entered, but either way, you get a reference to "The Plank of Carneades" thought experiment.Thanks for the clearup, I thought it was odd how that one didn't have the signs around it.
It's been a while since I've messed with custom items. I gave up when I couldn't get rid of the "plank of" that always appeared as part of the name. It kind of ruined my sense of immersion in the game. Otherwise I would have finished a guide for it, and posted some sample items.
Edit: Nuuuuu! You deleted the thing that I was replying to. x3
On another note, though, I've managed to summon a Xerxes Electric Tank and some of his friendsin Vernis. I've managed to kill the slime and demon that it spawned with, but the tank gets nearly four moves to my one and has (from what I can tell) loads of health. This thing usually kills me in a few turns and getting any NPC's to kill it is out of the question (due to the deaths of Loyter, Shena, the bartender, a bard, a few citizens, adventurers, and lots of miners). How the hell do I kill this thing?
Post by: Seriyu on July 03, 2012, 04:52:10 pm
You need to "summon" a nuke. :P
Post by: JimDale on July 03, 2012, 07:37:05 pm
You summon the slime to kill the mice, you summon the demon to kill the slime, you summon the tank to kill the slime. And now the tank is murdering people.Except I lost nearly all of my money *trying* to deal with the stupid thing.
You need to "summon" a nuke. :P
Right now I'm just robbing Derphy blind to make some money.
Post by: kcwong on July 03, 2012, 09:06:15 pm
Does anyone know how to get pets away from the dojo?
Simply interact (i) with your pet and choose the "Bring Out" option.
How does the dojo in Elona+ work?I think it's supposed to train pets over time. You give her a pet and it stays there to train (?). I'm just guessing, but I DID manage to get a pet to stay there from pressing some combinations of choices.
IIRC when you talk to the dojo master, the second option will let you put a pet there. From what I understand from Google Translated Elona+ wiki, the first one is free, subsequent ones will cost money (not sure if it's no. of pets or no. of times). Your pet will gain experience according to the time they were in the dojo.
Also there are small medals in the dojo, but none in South Border.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 03, 2012, 09:07:58 pm
Fakeedit: I see your problem is in Vernis. My point still stands, really... might as well nuke both places if your karma is already bottomed out.
Post by: quinnr on July 03, 2012, 09:39:39 pm
Post by: Eagle_eye on July 03, 2012, 09:54:57 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 03, 2012, 10:31:19 pm
Hmm, so I've been playing a bit now on a new character, up to Lvl7 and have some decent gear for the beginning. Did the first step of the main quest, too. I'm trying to get into the Fighter's Guild, but I'm having trouble with the initiation. Where the heck are these Orc Warriors? Also, should I just keep grinding hunting, delivery, and escort quests until I have even more money? (I have 20k right now, just spent 30k on some boots and 10k on an accidental investigation on allies before I learned that I could revive them easily...my party was full of dead people and I was so confused.)
Those fighter guild quests will continue after you gain membership, and your targets are randomly decided. You may end up with something you won't meet for a long while. So if you are not against save scumming, do so!
For checking your pets' stats, there's a better way - Gene Engineering skill. You can get a Gene Machine by doing an easy quest for the scientist in Port Kapul (western most town in North Tyris). You can learn the skill in Port Kapul as well. Once you have the skill and the machine, you can take something from your ranch or buy a cheap slave from Derphy, and add it to the pet you want to check.
Post by: quinnr on July 03, 2012, 10:52:55 pm
Hey, is there any way to download the source? I remember reading it was released, but have yet to find it.
EDIT
I just found 'the heavy scythe named <The Homo>'. It enhances magic, object detection, and stealth, as well as invoking decapitation. Sadly it does half as much damage as my current axe.
EDIT
And now my two slaves (including the one destined for marriage to myself) decided to make out on the battlefield during a mission. No more engagement rings for you!
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 04, 2012, 12:05:22 pm
EDIT
I just found 'the heavy scythe named <The Homo>'. It enhances magic, object detection, and stealth, as well as invoking decapitation. Sadly it does half as much damage as my current axe.
EDIT
And now my two slaves (including the one destined for marriage to myself) decided to make out on the battlefield during a mission. No more engagement rings for you!
This is basically Elona in a single post.
Or at least the perverted side.
I think I shall download a + version. Is there a link a few pages back?
Post by: Singularity125 on July 04, 2012, 01:48:13 pm
Hmm, not a bad idea, I'd like to check out Gene engineering anyways.
Hey, is there any way to download the source? I remember reading it was released, but have yet to find it.
You'd have to ask Noa (the old developer) yourself. He doesn't just put it up for download because he worries about possible copyright issues with redistributing some of the art assets. Or you know, bum it off someone who has it, but I'd respect his wishes. Use the Form Mail page on the official Elona site: I got a response back within a couple days.
As for Elona+... it's on the first google result for "Elona+". Just google translate the page and look for a download. Google translate links are long and look like vomit, or I'd link you right to it. Although looking at it... ooh, there's an Elona+ 1.08 now? That's new. *runs off*
Post by: quinnr on July 04, 2012, 06:42:49 pm
EDIT
I just found 'the heavy scythe named <The Homo>'. It enhances magic, object detection, and stealth, as well as invoking decapitation. Sadly it does half as much damage as my current axe.
EDIT
And now my two slaves (including the one destined for marriage to myself) decided to make out on the battlefield during a mission. No more engagement rings for you!
This is basically Elona in a single post.
Or at least the perverted side.
I think I shall download a + version. Is there a link a few pages back?
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/
It's the second link on the page, the one that ends in .zip.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 05, 2012, 01:28:49 am
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/
It's the second link on the page, the one that ends in .zip.
Thanks quinnr. Thankkkks.
Post by: quinnr on July 05, 2012, 01:40:51 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 05, 2012, 02:05:37 am
Which is a pity, it's fun to get murdered by some sort of abomination. Pity there's no money in it. Or xp mostly.
Post by: Blaze on July 05, 2012, 02:13:49 am
Post by: quinnr on July 05, 2012, 02:35:39 am
Not true in Elona+. He hit a puddle and instakilled me. No summons, luckily.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 05, 2012, 02:42:29 am
I then lucked my way through some dungeons.
Then I sort of Ragnarok'd the sewer. Never did complete that quest there.
Post by: Blaze on July 05, 2012, 02:46:02 am
I read that you can kill Ragnarok guy by throwing doomed beer puddles near him, so he throws up and dies (but won't hate because beer isn't bad).If you read my previous post on the translation of the feature list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg3380132#msg3380132) booze has been nerfed. Along with performance.
Not true in Elona+. He hit a puddle and instakilled me. No summons, luckily.
Post by: quinnr on July 05, 2012, 02:57:14 am
Ah, nice. I remember seeing that but not really reading it..I started with Elona+ so I never really noticed any of the differences. Thanks!I read that you can kill Ragnarok guy by throwing doomed beer puddles near him, so he throws up and dies (but won't hate because beer isn't bad).If you read my previous post on the translation of the feature list (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg3380132#msg3380132) booze has been nerfed. Along with performance.
Not true in Elona+. He hit a puddle and instakilled me. No summons, luckily.
Post by: kcwong on July 05, 2012, 03:01:56 am
That used to be a good way to handle high level casters...
Post by: quinnr on July 05, 2012, 03:08:27 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've engaged to you 12 times, yet we are still 'just friends'!? Tell me why I shouldn't TAKE THEM ALL BACK AND ABANDON YOU RIGHT NOW!
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 05, 2012, 03:17:31 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I've engaged to you 12 times, yet we are still 'just friends'!? Tell me why I shouldn't TAKE THEM ALL BACK AND ABANDON YOU RIGHT NOW!
It's less engangement than 'Crazy person takes you from birth/captures you/buys you and bombards you with gifts'.
Post by: quinnr on July 05, 2012, 03:24:45 am
Post by: Aoi on July 05, 2012, 03:27:56 am
True. Also, that same slave just drank from a fountain but I got his wish. He would wish for freedom..but the Djinn likes me more!
Every time that happens to me, I go, "Huh? I didn't mean to chat. *cancel* WAITWAITWAIIIIIIIIII *sob*"
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 05, 2012, 03:35:44 am
Also, I've found that a decent way to raise friendship levels with your pets/slaves is to go to a field right next to any town, and just sit around the middle while letting your pet/slave run around and kill everything to somehow make it love you more.
Post by: quinnr on July 05, 2012, 03:36:51 am
I never ever get wishes, unless I scum next to a fountain or well.
Also, I've found that a decent way to raise friendship levels with your pets/slaves is to go to a field right next to any town, and just sit around the middle while letting your pet/slave run around and kill everything to somehow make it love you more.
...I got two wishes on accident this game. :P
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 05, 2012, 03:47:10 am
I think I just keep getting the wrong end of the RNG stick.
Post by: quinnr on July 05, 2012, 03:53:40 am
What did I drop? Every orb but two hermit crabs. Even the empty ones.
Post by: kcwong on July 05, 2012, 04:57:17 am
...I got two wishes on accident this game. :P
If you get a Tamer's Whip, you can use it to toggle your pet to interact with fountain/dropped items or not. Fountains are super dangerous if you are not well prepared for it...
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 05, 2012, 01:20:05 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 05, 2012, 01:28:30 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 06, 2012, 10:52:36 am
Post by: freeformschooler on July 06, 2012, 11:44:13 am
Post by: webadict on July 06, 2012, 12:22:04 pm
Is there one comprehensive strategy guide anywhere (like a page of tips or something) for succeeding at the game? Maybe I just need to look harder.You can win at this game?
Post by: Zangi on July 06, 2012, 12:43:28 pm
You can murder everyone... is that winning?Is there one comprehensive strategy guide anywhere (like a page of tips or something) for succeeding at the game? Maybe I just need to look harder.You can win at this game?
Post by: freeformschooler on July 06, 2012, 12:44:10 pm
Post by: Kaitol on July 06, 2012, 01:30:52 pm
Post by: freeformschooler on July 06, 2012, 01:31:45 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 06, 2012, 01:32:38 pm
Post by: Azthor on July 06, 2012, 02:46:24 pm
Not win, just not die horribly within the first 30 minutes.
The only advice I can give you is: do escort missions until you are wealthy, then buy gear from travelling merchants, who sell randarts. Starting as a juere ranger also helps; a metal machinegun together with Firearms and Marksmanship can go a long way.
Post by: JimDale on July 06, 2012, 04:09:51 pm
And if you can afford a few Rods of Wall Creation and Teleportation, there are several areas across the map which just become free loot access.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 06, 2012, 04:15:34 pm
Juere Claymore still viable in +?
Post by: Blaze on July 06, 2012, 04:25:32 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on July 06, 2012, 05:05:47 pm
Is there one comprehensive strategy guide anywhere (like a page of tips or something) for succeeding at the game? Maybe I just need to look harder.
Aptly-named page: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Tips
Nothing there is Elona+ specific, of course, but it's a start. For Elona+ stuff I actually find myself on 4chan, and I never thought I would (okay, it's one of the mirror sites). There's been a stream of Elona threads in /vg/ that are going at a breakneck pace, and most are playing +.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 06, 2012, 05:06:32 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 06, 2012, 05:10:06 pm
Anything new in + that makes other things more awesome than before?
Also, does evolution change the look of things?
Post by: quinnr on July 06, 2012, 07:32:36 pm
It net me about 40k gold for going to Derphy though, for 5 minutes of work. Not bad!
Speaking of which, these Seven League Boots and Aurora Ring are doing wonders for my wealth. I just do the longest delivery/escort that isn't Before It's Too Late (since those are difficult to do through all that snow, even with the two items), and get 10-30k gold each. Do missions on the way back (Derphy->Palmia, for example), and then walk back to Noyle.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 06, 2012, 08:14:24 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 06, 2012, 09:48:44 pm
Okay, I might stick with it.
Anything new in + that makes other things more awesome than before?
The 1.08 comes with a good one... NPCs (not sure if limited to ones in town) are no longer affected by random teleport. No more hunting down that elusive quest giver or delivery target!
Also, does evolution change the look of things?
I wasn't able to try this out yet. I suspect (posted earlier) that the expensive evolution hearts for sale in the festival is related to this.
Post by: quinnr on July 06, 2012, 10:24:45 pm
Also, what does 'Blank Business Card' do? I have one from...somewhere I forgot, I had no internet when I got it. But it lets you select someone nearby. Not sure if it is a + thing, can't find it on the wiki.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 06, 2012, 10:59:02 pm
Lucky Day buff and a blackjack table are so awesome.ONLY gamble when you get that buff. It's a lot easier to get the potions of cure corruption rolling in, along with other stuff that isn't as cool.
Post by: Blaze on July 06, 2012, 10:59:09 pm
Oh, I also got a special item; if you wish for the god you're currently following and talk to them, they drop a special artifact item.
Spoiler: I was following Ehekatl and got this (click to show/hide)
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 07, 2012, 01:25:52 am
Post by: quinnr on July 07, 2012, 01:33:06 am
Post by: Singularity125 on July 07, 2012, 01:33:46 am
(This character is a Gunner. If only it had been any other type of gun...)
Post by: kcwong on July 07, 2012, 02:42:57 am
Now I'm going to hurry back and fetch some balls, and see if I got what it takes to fight them.
Edit: No... too early. Only got him down to 20% HP. :-[
Post by: kcwong on July 07, 2012, 04:39:41 am
This is what my < 2 Tailoring created, among a dozen pairs of shoes:
(http://i.imgur.com/xWy0G.png)
Imagine what can be made at higher levels...
Post by: Trapezohedron on July 07, 2012, 06:01:09 am
I think the crafting skills are highly worth it now... besides already mentioned overpowered fusion recipes, all the required skills (fusion recipes can require 1-4 other crafting skills among those I can see) can produce good stuff.
This is what my < 2 Tailoring created, among a dozen pairs of shoes:
(http://i.imgur.com/xWy0G.png)
Imagine what can be made at higher levels...
Is this Elona+?
If so, does it have a full english translation? Or at least something that won't confuse me?
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2012, 06:03:24 am
Post by: kcwong on July 07, 2012, 06:50:48 am
I think the crafting skills are highly worth it now... besides already mentioned overpowered fusion recipes, all the required skills (fusion recipes can require 1-4 other crafting skills among those I can see) can produce good stuff.
This is what my < 2 Tailoring created, among a dozen pairs of shoes:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Imagine what can be made at higher levels...
Is this Elona+?
If so, does it have a full english translation? Or at least something that won't confuse me?
Yes, it's Elona+ 1.08. It's not fully translated yet, but the untranslated content are mostly in South Tyris (yes Plus added South Tyris). Since you won't be able to gain access to South Tyris until you've beat the vanilla main quest, Elona+ is very good for us non-Japanese speakers.
For North Tyris untranslated stuff, there is a new guy outside the Cyberdome, and a female master in the Dojo (a new location where you pay to leave your pet behind to train). The Dojo master is easily figured out; I couldn't get any real reaction out of the guy. I heard he's only relevant after you gain access to South Tyris.
So yeah, go Elona+ now!
I think so. Most of the new content isn't translated, but luckily most of the new content doesn't need translating, and is mostly tweaks. Dunno about the translation status crafting thing kcwong's doing, but I'm sure if push came to shove he could throw up a short tutorial, considering it'd prolly consist of "Go to this dude, select the top option, select the top option, middle option, enter". :P
For the crafting stuff, it seems Elona+ enhanced vanilla's crafting skills (tailoring, jeweler, carpentry, alchemy), and added a new crafting mode: fusion.
First you buy/find a fusion pot (looks like a black cauldron with white gooey stuff inside, the kind a witch would use). Then you use it and get a page of recipes. The recipes require a bunch of items (some quite rare), and often a combination of skills (tailoring, jeweler, carpentry, alchemy, cooking, gardening, gene engineering).
It seems there are a lot of recipes, but they only show you as your crafting skills increase. So far I'm only able to make mysterious diaries and fake gold bars. I'm trying very hard to increase my skills and finding materials... I'm dying to find out what this can do:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also, there seems to be new actions you can use. I must have missed the announcement when I received it, so I have no idea what skill this is based on:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
But I can't argue with the results:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: The Scout on July 07, 2012, 06:53:41 am
Post by: kcwong on July 07, 2012, 06:55:45 am
When I pay money to identify this feather hat, it says I require a higher identification skill. What's up with that?
Better items, often of the Miracle/Godly grade, will require a stronger identification method. That's the "Investigate item" option, and it will cost you more.
It seems as you level up, the NPC wizard's ID spell gets better too. In my game they can sometimes ID miracle item. So it's worth it to always use the ID option first.
When you read a identify/greater identify scroll yourself, the strength of the spell depends on your skills... I'm not 100% sure, but it's probably your Literacy skill. For identify wands, it's your Magic Device skill.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 07, 2012, 07:52:14 am
Post by: Seriyu on July 07, 2012, 08:10:32 am
EDIT
Quote from: The past
On the note of innate class skills in Elona+
Quote
warrior --increase the chance of extra melee attack (works with melee weapons even those that doesnt have this attribute)
thief --avoidance rate increase
wizard --reduce consumption of MP
farmer --increase the chance of decapitation (but only for weapons that has this attribute, scythe, sickle, sniper rifles)
predator --critical rate increase
archer --General physical attacks hit rate rise last (not sure what this is, definitely not the hit stat you see in the character window)
warmage --casting rate increases by 5%
tourist --lose more money from pickpockets? (D: doesnt seem like a bonus at all)
pianist --sometimes nullifies sound damage you receive
gunner --increases the chance of extra ranged attack (works with ranged weapons even those that doesnt have this attribute)
priest --increase effect of HP recovering spells
claymore --rarely invokes an absolute piercing attack (works even if the weapon doesnt have this attribute)
And another bit of interesting stuff...
Quote
added skills:
rampage requires lvl30 marksman --gives fury status
shadow step requires lvl30 stealth
houzanha requires lvl30 mining --destroy field
mana burst requires lvl40 casting
magic kiss requires lvl20 magic capacity
bakuretuken requires lvl30 martial arts
makouken requires lvl50 martial arts & lvl20 control magic --adds magic dmg to your un-armed attacks
clear mind requires lvl100 martial arts --increase WIL and PER
synchro hearts requires 100 charisma
charge requires 120 constitution after you get the card key (what card key?)
ensemble requires lvl30 performer --allows you to play without a music instrument (if the pet adds bonus, im not sure)
directive requires 10 charisma --switches pet between offense/defense mode
call familiar requires 30 charisma --calls pet that are in standy mode in towns, using it on a pet who's currently with you sends it back to town
Post by: kcwong on July 07, 2012, 09:40:00 am
Ah, reminds me, is the Jeweller skill actually for jewel...ing now?
Staying true to Elona's style - nope!
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 07, 2012, 09:43:15 am
Ah, reminds me, is the Jeweller skill actually for jewel...ing now?
Staying true to Elona's style - nope!
K. Start playing soon.
Juere are good at a lot of things, yes?
If I were to depart from my usual choice of Claymore, what would you suggest?
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on July 07, 2012, 11:16:06 am
(http://i.imgur.com/NP6qM.png)
Apparently it is sentient (different from the "it is alive" attribute?) and deep down wants to be a carpenter...
Post by: kcwong on July 07, 2012, 11:16:51 am
Juere are good at a lot of things, yes?
If I were to depart from my usual choice of Claymore, what would you suggest?
Juere is easier indeed.
I think as long as you don't choose Tourist, it's all the same in long term... because learning skill is capped to 50 PP in Elona+. Warrior/Gunner double strike seems pretty useful.
Post by: The Scout on July 07, 2012, 11:28:05 am
I'm currently a pianist/prostitute with an army of little girls.
Post by: Blaze on July 07, 2012, 11:54:12 am
Apparently it is sentient (different from the "it is alive" attribute?) and deep down wants to be a carpenter...That's just it's description, it has no effect.
Even set artifacts have some randomized bonuses, hence the "maintains perception" and bonus to carpentry.
Post by: jetex1911 on July 07, 2012, 02:47:29 pm
Post by: snelg on July 07, 2012, 03:42:41 pm
I finally made it to the Truce Ground. So, what god do I choose?Pick one you can get sacrifices for easily if you plan to switch once you got the rewards. Or one that gives the bonuses you prefer.
I'm currently a pianist/prostitute with an army of little girls.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 07, 2012, 03:53:43 pm
Could I have a link to Elona+?
Check page 150
Post by: Ochita on July 07, 2012, 05:19:08 pm
There's the link.
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/
It's the second link on the page, the one that ends in .zip.
Thanks quinnr. Thankkkks.
Post by: kcwong on July 07, 2012, 10:22:37 pm
I posted a list of skiills that are gained after you get a certain amount in particular skills earlier in the thread. Houzanha is one of them, I'll dig it up and edit it into this post too.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks for the information! So it is from mining... I make it a rule to mine out all the blocks when doing hunting quests for extra skill practice and some gold and ores.
I did some searching on the name... turns out the name is from an attack move (Houzanha - 獅子崩山破 - Mountain-slicking Breaker) from anime Beyblade.
Post by: Kaitol on July 07, 2012, 11:12:37 pm
Post by: Azthor on July 08, 2012, 12:14:36 am
lulwy is an all around solid choice for god fr pretty much any class. Speed is king.
Although one might be uncomfortable with her quite much being the Big Bad.
Post by: Blaze on July 08, 2012, 12:23:45 am
On a side note; in Elona+, Itzpalt's preferred sacrifice is rods instead of staffs, so he's much easier to please.
Oh, and if you want to convert to Yacatect, she(?) takes up the formerly neutral altar in the Truce Grounds. If you imported your character from another version, you can force-reset the Truce Grounds and it should show up.
Post by: Jack_Bread on July 08, 2012, 06:59:54 am
Oh, I also got a special item; if you wish for the god you're currently following and talk to them, they drop a special artifact item.I tried this with Mani and he didn't give me an item. He just says "Sorry, this is an untranslated sentence!" and wanders around Lumiest.Spoiler: I was following Ehekatl and got this (click to show/hide)
I think he killed someone. Oh, also, I have an item that shows who someone worships and Mani apparently worships Jure.
Should've wished for seven league boots. Those would've been more useful.
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2012, 07:38:20 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on July 08, 2012, 07:46:36 am
lulwy is an all around solid choice for god fr pretty much any class. Speed is king.
Indeed, but it's best not to convert to her until you have all the god artifacts you need, as her's is very useless to anyone but pets and enemies.
Post by: freeformschooler on July 08, 2012, 10:38:34 am
I tried this with Mani and he didn't give me an item. He just says "Sorry, this is an untranslated sentence!" and wanders around Lumiest.
I think he killed someone. Oh, also, I have an item that shows who someone worships and Mani apparently worships Jure.
Should've wished for seven league boots. Those would've been more useful.
Does that also happen with the Mani pet reward? I'm doing a Mani char right now and I hope not.
Post by: JimDale on July 08, 2012, 11:11:45 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Well, it DOES turn out to be on the Japanese wiki. And all seem to be god possessions/gifts or "random generation"
Post by: Blaze on July 08, 2012, 11:30:11 am
How would one go about even getting some of the new artifacts? I've only "found" these in wizard mode and they're not even listed on the wiki in any form.Some are drops from the South Tyris quest bosses. I know one of the Tonfas can be purchased at Miral&Giral's Workshop. There's an artifact sniper rifle for sale in the music ticket shop...It's so upsetting knowing that these actually exist and also not knowing how to get any of them.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The gods have a whole bunch now, aside from their original gifts, wishing for a god and talking to them in person will give you a gift - note that you need a significant amount of faith - and some are held by the "god inside god" version of each. So that's a total of 16 new artifacts relegated to gods: 8 talk-to gifts, 7 god-inside-god items (Frisia's Tail is not new), and Yacatect has her(?) artifact gift.
Mani has a new gem (The old gem was changed to something else, an "Energy Matrix of something something".). Yacatect has a gem as well.
The rest are randomly dropped, like the Drake rod.
Post by: JimDale on July 08, 2012, 12:08:17 pm
I'm not even sure how it would be feasible to kill a god summoned through wish, much less kill the turbo-charged Royally PO'ed "Inside" version of it.
Post by: quinnr on July 08, 2012, 01:00:38 pm
Isn't God Inside supposed to be summoned by killing a summoned god?I believe I remember reading somewhere that the Gods in + are nerfed (although still a difficult fight).
I'm not even sure how it would be feasible to kill a god summoned through wish, much less kill the turbo-charged Royally PO'ed "Inside" version of it.
Maybe if you managed to kill the God, you could pickpocked the 'inside' version or something?
Post by: Blaze on July 08, 2012, 01:43:52 pm
Then I went from full health to -12,000 in one hit.
Maybe if you managed to kill the God, you could pickpocked the 'inside' version or something?Can't pickpocket precious items; they're generated hostile and have high speed anyway.
Post by: JimDale on July 08, 2012, 02:01:15 pm
I managed to beat Ehekatl on my main by spamming up speed buffs until I had ~700 speed, throwing on contingency, getting her drunk, and then smacking her with my god-slaying eye-of-mind boosting scythe. Their DV is recockulous so crits are the only way to land hits.
Then I went from full health to -12,000 in one hit.Maybe if you managed to kill the God, you could pickpocked the 'inside' version or something?Can't pickpocket precious items; they're generated hostile and have high speed anyway.
Why not use a firearm of some sort? If the old Elona wiki's God information holds true for Elona+, gods only have Frisia's as a weapon and can't use ranged or magic attacks.
Or you can try using a nuke to blow gods up, or ragnarok to *attempt* to kill it with fire, explosions, and dragons.
I'm going to try with a nuke and see what happens, assuming I get a wish anytime soon.
Post by: Blaze on July 08, 2012, 02:09:05 pm
Gods use normal weaponry, only the god-inside-god uses artifact weapons.
Post by: JimDale on July 08, 2012, 02:32:21 pm
Nuke only does 1,000 damage, which is why powerful NPCs can survive them. Compared to Elona+'s nerfed Mewmewmew (99999) damage. The "normal" version of the god barely loses about a tenth of his/her HP from a mewmewmew, which is available via Mani's gemstone.So what would be an option, then?
Gods use normal weaponry, only the god-inside-god uses artifact weapons.
Post by: Blaze on July 08, 2012, 02:36:20 pm
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2012, 07:39:57 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Gauntlet_Leold (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Black_Gauntlet_Leold)
Unfortunately to actually see the text it translates you have to play in japanese, but.
Post by: JimDale on July 08, 2012, 11:17:44 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on July 08, 2012, 11:55:49 pm
EDIT: Also Elona+1.08, not that I think it matters.
Post by: kcwong on July 09, 2012, 12:19:27 am
So I lucked into a scroll of flying, and a blessed one at that. I'd really like to get an altar into my house eventually, would one blessed scroll of flying be enough to get it to a reasonable weight? Not that I've found one yet, but you know, future planning.
EDIT: Also Elona+1.08, not that I think it matters.
No, one probably won't be enough, unless you are extremely strong and hardy, with lots of weight lifting.
An altar is 500s, a blessed flying scroll only reduces it by 25% = 375s.
A character's weight limit is calculated using the formula: 45 + (Strength/2) + (Constitution/4) + (Weight Lifting*2)
Post by: Seriyu on July 09, 2012, 01:15:11 am
Post by: Blaze on July 09, 2012, 08:58:15 am
Post by: Virroken on July 09, 2012, 09:14:05 am
Alternatively, grind until you can pickpocket 500s.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 09, 2012, 03:52:11 pm
I wanted to stay in the snowfields stealing trees, but I had to pay taxes...
Post by: amjh on July 09, 2012, 04:24:29 pm
If Loyter's invited and you don't notice him in time, that seems to be guaranteed stat loss.
I think they might have nerfed performing a bit too hard, only time I get decent money is during those quests and I'm not sure if it's worth the risk.
Post by: Seriyu on July 09, 2012, 06:41:26 pm
And manuals, do they raise the potential of skills or train the skill or what? Training machines are also similarly confusing.
Every time I pick up this game I remember like fifteen things I never figured out about it.
Post by: Blaze on July 09, 2012, 06:52:04 pm
AFAIK, skillbooks only train the skill, not its potential. I'm guessing it's the same with training machines.
Post by: Seriyu on July 09, 2012, 07:00:34 pm
Post by: Azthor on July 09, 2012, 09:05:52 pm
The altar in the tower of fire is free to pick up. Dump all your stuff at home, hike over, use flying scrolls until you can use a scroll of return.
Alternatively, grind until you can pickpocket 500s.
Don't pick the one in the tower of fire up, it is a frand altar to the fOrCeS oF cHaOs.
Spoiler: If you didn't get the reference (click to show/hide)
Post by: kcwong on July 10, 2012, 01:30:51 am
I hate doing party quests in Elona+.
If Loyter's invited and you don't notice him in time, that seems to be guaranteed stat loss.
I think they might have nerfed performing a bit too hard, only time I get decent money is during those quests and I'm not sure if it's worth the risk.
Wait, what? I though Elona+ *reduced* the tendencies of NPCs throwing stones, say, instead of getting stoned by Loyter and 5 other NPCs, you just get stoned by Loyter and 1 other.
I've been able to perform in 2-green-star level party quests without dying, with less than 10 Performer, as long as I move to an appropriate section first (i.e. near beggars/old people).
I will fail the quest, but I won't get killed, even with some higher level NPCs (like shop keepers) around. I just get seriously hurt. Now that I'm level 20+ (Performer 15, Charisma 28), I can even survive a shot from Loyter.
Post by: Seriyu on July 10, 2012, 05:02:04 am
Post by: amjh on July 10, 2012, 07:06:12 am
I will fail the quest, but I won't get killed, even with some higher level NPCs (like shop keepers) around. I just get seriously hurt. Now that I'm level 20+ (Performer 15, Charisma 28), I can even survive a shot from Loyter.
Currently, Loyter is the only NPC that can reliably kill me in the party time quests, and that's enough to almost completely stop my charisma growth if I'm trying to do the quests. Only way to avoid the deaths is to completely search the area, and that doesn't seem to be worth it with the limited time. By the time I can handle it, I'd think I'll have better sources of money.
Post by: The Scout on July 10, 2012, 07:15:43 am
Post by: amjh on July 10, 2012, 07:44:15 am
Post by: JimDale on July 10, 2012, 10:26:42 am
Mia the cat freak has incredibly low tastes, though, so it's okay to perform near her.
And, if it's an option, you can simply kill the named NPC's and perform for the beggar-types that are left. Another option, if you have one, is to use Gould's Piano.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 10, 2012, 12:48:39 pm
By these rules, you'd be a fool to ever, EVER perform around the gods. Just saying. :P
Edit: Okay, okay, I just tried it in wiz-mode and I certainly got hit by rocks from everyone, even at level 86. I think the part about preferences scaling with level is true, but being high-level yourself doesn't save you.
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on July 10, 2012, 06:43:52 pm
Edit: Okay, okay, I just tried it in wiz-mode and I certainly got hit by rocks from everyone, even at level 86. I think the part about preferences scaling with level is true, but being high-level yourself doesn't save you.Makes sense really...you may be a high level, battle hardened, dragon killer, but if you still suck at playing the Lute (low Performer) and ugly as sin (low CHA), you get booed and stoned.
Post by: Ochita on July 10, 2012, 07:02:10 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on July 10, 2012, 07:14:04 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 11, 2012, 02:49:16 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 11, 2012, 11:52:52 am
The third drink from a well gave me a wish. Not even minute into the game. Seven League Boots, YEAH!
*Incomprehensible yelling*
Post by: quinnr on July 11, 2012, 04:04:39 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 11, 2012, 10:32:03 pm
The third drink from a well gave me a wish. Not even minute into the game. Seven League Boots, YEAH!
*Incomprehensible yelling*
Random Number God is highly temperamental and super wrathful. She may have given you a wish... better watch out. <_< >_> *runs*
Post by: Jack_Bread on July 12, 2012, 12:01:09 am
There's also an invisible monster chucking potions that occasionally transform the mass monsters into other monsters. He was also mutated several times because of it.
Anyway, he kept trying to melee them and cast spells at them, but they kept splitting, then he rage quit after dying for the sixth time.
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2012, 12:47:12 am
Alternately, start investing heavily into equipment shops and find some awseome equipment to help even the odds. I'd imagine you can eventually grind up enough equipment DV or PV to be unkillable to them.
Post by: Ochita on July 12, 2012, 12:58:04 am
Post by: kcwong on July 12, 2012, 01:26:47 am
Tell him to get a grenade. Grenades are pretty awesome for their 3x3 radius of 'lots-o-damage', so your friend should be able to deal damage over a greater area. Also, throw water at invisible things, they gulp it (Or something like that) and then they become visible.
I found grenades is tuned down in Elona+. They don't explode as often as in vanilla (that's with [###]). Try throwing LOTS of molotov or acid instead.
If you have spell/wands of wall creation, use them. Lack of space will prevent mass monsters from splitting (though they may attempt to slowly dig through it, so prepare lots of wands).
Otherwise you need to be able to hit hard so you one-shot them.
Post by: Jack_Bread on July 12, 2012, 02:06:45 am
Also, he wasn't using splash weapons because it was his storage house with quite a bit of things in it.
Post by: Kaje on July 12, 2012, 03:58:19 am
It's always looked interesting, but at the same time looks incredibly awful.
Post by: joemoben on July 12, 2012, 04:09:19 am
Post by: kcwong on July 12, 2012, 04:09:27 am
Is this worth playing, seriously?
It's always looked interesting, but at the same time looks incredibly awful.
Yes, yes and yes. :P
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2012, 04:36:42 am
Is this worth playing, seriously?
It's always looked interesting, but at the same time looks incredibly awful.
To give you an idea of the hijinx that sometimes go down in this game, at one point I was walking through vernis, the town closest to your home, up north of the bar, heading to do something or another, when one of the bar patrons (the dungeon cleaner, pyramid looking dude) EXPLODES THROUGH THE WALL and murders me for, so far as I can tell, NO DAMN REASON.
I mean on one hand, I did lose stat points, but on the other hand it was so ridiculous I just couldn't help but laugh. The stat points will come back, and the mental image of a person smashing through the wall of a bar to brutalize a passerby while nobody even bats an eye at it will last forever.
Post by: kcwong on July 12, 2012, 04:55:52 am
Is this worth playing, seriously?
It's always looked interesting, but at the same time looks incredibly awful.
To give you an idea of the hijinx that sometimes go down in this game, at one point I was walking through vernis, the town closest to your home, up north of the bar, heading to do something or another, when one of the bar patrons (the dungeon cleaner, pyramid looking dude) EXPLODES THROUGH THE WALL and murders me for, so far as I can tell, NO DAMN REASON.
I mean on one hand, I did lose stat points, but on the other hand it was so ridiculous I just couldn't help but laugh. The stat points will come back, and the mental image of a person smashing through the wall of a bar to brutalize a passerby while nobody even bats an eye at it will last forever.
Are you playing as a snail? Dungeon cleaner is *very* dangerous to you then. It throws salt at you...
Post by: The Scout on July 12, 2012, 11:05:20 am
Nuke made me overweight. Cheaped out and bought a scroll of escape only to run around the ruins killing beggars and nobles.
Post by: kcwong on July 12, 2012, 11:19:44 am
Ach, why doesn't my return scroll teleport me out before the nuke explodes? I waited 15 turns before plopping the nuke down.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Scrolls#Return
"(Note: as of 1.16xmas, the spell takes twenty turns to activate)"
Haven't counted how many it is in Elona+...
Post by: The Scout on July 12, 2012, 11:33:28 am
Post by: JimDale on July 12, 2012, 12:06:39 pm
If you're going to palmia, though you'll have a tough time bringing enough food without becoming immobile.
Post by: Niveras on July 12, 2012, 03:55:46 pm
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 12, 2012, 04:10:32 pm
I was hoping someone rare would die. Then again, I always read books in the throne room incase monsters happened...
Post by: webadict on July 12, 2012, 05:13:22 pm
The Dungeon Cleaner rolled up as <Kool-aid Man>.Is this worth playing, seriously?
It's always looked interesting, but at the same time looks incredibly awful.
To give you an idea of the hijinx that sometimes go down in this game, at one point I was walking through vernis, the town closest to your home, up north of the bar, heading to do something or another, when one of the bar patrons (the dungeon cleaner, pyramid looking dude) EXPLODES THROUGH THE WALL and murders me for, so far as I can tell, NO DAMN REASON.
I mean on one hand, I did lose stat points, but on the other hand it was so ridiculous I just couldn't help but laugh. The stat points will come back, and the mental image of a person smashing through the wall of a bar to brutalize a passerby while nobody even bats an eye at it will last forever.
Are you playing as a snail? Dungeon cleaner is *very* dangerous to you then. It throws salt at you...
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2012, 06:27:47 pm
Are you playing as a snail? Dungeon cleaner is *very* dangerous to you then. It throws salt at you...
Nope, normal person. Never threw anything at me, and I lasted a few turns in melee even, before it pasted me. I may have been using one of the debug races though I guess.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 12, 2012, 09:00:21 pm
Are you playing as a snail? Dungeon cleaner is *very* dangerous to you then. It throws salt at you...
Nope, normal person. Never threw anything at me, and I lasted a few turns in melee even, before it pasted me. I may have been using one of the debug races though I guess.
Did you anger an adventurer by pickpocketing/killing them? They hold a lifelong grudge against you, and will track you down instantly if they're in the same town as you (somehow they always know where you are. Don't ask.) And yes, they will smash walls like a dungeon boss. The only way to make them stop is to talk to them while under the incognito effect.
Post by: Seriyu on July 12, 2012, 10:17:05 pm
Post by: tsen on July 13, 2012, 06:20:26 pm
Is there any way to teach my mount-pet Swimming? Does he even get the bonus when it rains? Second, does the new-and-improved Traveling skill work to improve my pet's speed when we travel from town to town?
Edit: Second question, I found a shuriken with Improves Shield skill [###] but when I wield it my PV does not go up at all. Current PV 202, shield skill 60, Opatos at 39 Faith with max favor. So presumably there is some kind of rapidly diminishing return, or the result is not visible.
I'll be checking into these things myself, but it'll be awhile before I am strong enough to go to South Tyris to mess around with anything there.
Post by: Blaze on July 13, 2012, 06:44:57 pm
Traveling doesn't give bonuses to speed, but it *is* based on speed; meaning it (and swimming which is also speed-based) trains speed.
I don't know whether pets benefit from the skill trainings from traveling.
Post by: The Scout on July 13, 2012, 07:22:48 pm
Post by: Blaze on July 13, 2012, 07:25:02 pm
Post by: The Scout on July 13, 2012, 07:25:33 pm
DAMNIT! Instead of eating my rations, it thought I should eat my candy panty. I'm fucked.
Post by: Singularity125 on July 13, 2012, 09:29:13 pm
I don't think any monster has swimming - though bells now start with firearm skill, which means you can teach it to others now - meaning the only way for a pet to get it is via equipment bonus. I don't know whether they benefit from it though.
Traveling doesn't give bonuses to speed, but it *is* based on speed; meaning it (and swimming which is also speed-based) trains speed.
I don't know whether pets benefit from the skill trainings from traveling.
From reading the threads on 4chan, I'm almost positive there's a monster with Swimming... but I don't remember what it was. Sorry. :-[
As for Travelling, while it doesn't give a speed boost directly, the japanese elona wiki suggested that it gave a seven-league-boots sort of boost to world map traveling speed, even in vanilla. Some bored wizmode testing on my part confirms this is the case, though I only tested the ridiculously-high end.
Post by: kcwong on July 13, 2012, 10:35:15 pm
...Damnit. Time to get searching.
DAMNIT! Instead of eating my rations, it thought I should eat my candy panty. I'm fucked.
I know your pain... I learned my lessons long ago in vanilla. If I get an awesome piece of equipment in raw, I will convert before using it.
If it's godly level then I will give up using it until I get a kit... better than eating it.
Post by: kcwong on July 14, 2012, 01:58:32 am
1. There are lightsabers, a long sword with average random stats and 100% pierce. The material type remains ether after I read a scroll of inferior material. Is there a way to change them, or is this a pet-only weapon? Is it even possible to use for any long term for player characters?
2. There is a ball making recipe in fusion pot, but it is bugged. It said the third component is a book, but instead it only wants my ice box. I backed up and tried it, and created a level 1 ball. ::)
Post by: Trapezohedron on July 14, 2012, 04:30:49 am
Post by: kcwong on July 15, 2012, 11:22:50 am
Very excited, I opened the wishing list and checked what I want. Seven league boots, check; dungeon, check; new skill... I got plenty of disguise kits; Potential... I already got 3 in my cozy house. So I decided to get a Happy Bed...
Then the portal opened. Yeah I completely forgot about that.
*facepalm*
At least I managed to capture a cub later on... it's super hard to capture things when you hit very hard, even when throwing a shuriken made of meat.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 15, 2012, 05:34:34 pm
Post by: Jack_Bread on July 15, 2012, 07:41:12 pm
I feel like a change of Scenery from a Claymore...maybe. Gunners any good?I love them. Their chance for extra ranged attack is awesome. Can't really comment on much else, though.
Post by: JimDale on July 16, 2012, 12:08:39 am
Post by: Ivefan on July 16, 2012, 11:51:36 am
what is this?
Post by: Blaze on July 16, 2012, 01:02:50 pm
Post by: amjh on July 16, 2012, 01:27:12 pm
Post by: webadict on July 16, 2012, 01:44:06 pm
I'm guessing that's you/your pet earning "AP".How do you use this AP?
Post by: Blaze on July 16, 2012, 01:53:30 pm
Post by: Ivefan on July 16, 2012, 02:48:33 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 16, 2012, 07:50:04 pm
And did draw/fill charge get removed or what is the condition to acquire it?
From Elona+ wiki:
Quote
魔力の抽出 魔道具Lv20
魔力の充填 魔道具Lv20
Enough borrowed Chinese characters there for me to understand... Draw/Fill charge requires Magic Device 20.
They are listed in the changed list... in vanilla you only need 16.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 18, 2012, 12:31:40 pm
I suggested a Golem, was I wrong in doing so?
Post by: Blaze on July 18, 2012, 01:00:40 pm
Post by: webadict on July 18, 2012, 01:01:42 pm
Golem warrior, plenty of HP and Strength to wreck stuff, plus starts with weight lifting. It's easy to start, but in the later stages of the game the low learning/perception will start becoming more apparent. It's not insurmountable, but it is problematic.I prefer Juere. It has some good base stats, so you'll be able to Jack of all Trades it, which is what you want to do if you're starting out.
Post by: somebody on July 18, 2012, 06:08:30 pm
Post by: snelg on July 18, 2012, 06:54:47 pm
Not to mention they don't need to eat as much. Which is nice when starting out.Golem warrior, plenty of HP and Strength to wreck stuff, plus starts with weight lifting. It's easy to start, but in the later stages of the game the low learning/perception will start becoming more apparent. It's not insurmountable, but it is problematic.I prefer Juere. It has some good base stats, so you'll be able to Jack of all Trades it, which is what you want to do if you're starting out.
Post by: Kobold Troubadour on July 18, 2012, 07:14:11 pm
Is there any way to offset the massive xp gain from traveling in Elona+?Mmm, only ones I know of are descent potions and certain rare cursed equips that "disturbs growth". But Elona+ does have a lot of new stuff so maybe...
Post by: kcwong on July 18, 2012, 07:57:55 pm
Is there any way to offset the massive xp gain from traveling in Elona+?
Is it really that massive? I didn't drink any potion of descent, and while I have multiple "disturb your growth" items I never used any. I don't feel I'm leveling too fast... I'm not even trying to control my fame (just failing the higher level party and harvest quests naturally), and I've been doing fine.
Just don't learn Traveling skill... no need to be obsessed about keeping your level as low as possible.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 19, 2012, 09:16:44 am
Oh, and is getting mining as soon as possible and mining out your house for eternity viable.
Post by: kcwong on July 19, 2012, 10:43:34 am
Yeah, I noticed the xp growth too. Wow.
Oh, and is getting mining as soon as possible and mining out your house for eternity viable.
Slow, but yeah, viable. It levels up fine even without spending any PP on it.
I always mine out the blocks in hunting quests; and that quickly pushed my mining to over 30 without me even trying. I was mistaken by the way; that new action skill I posted about earlier didn't do any damage, it's just a convenient way to mine out most of the map.
Post by: JimDale on July 19, 2012, 11:06:47 am
Post by: Patchy on July 19, 2012, 04:15:39 pm
Post by: Blaze on July 19, 2012, 05:33:20 pm
Saves from 1.16 and 1.22 should be compatible, just make a backup first. If it doesn't work, migrate it to 1.22 then to +.
Also, talking to Yacatect gives the best item ever.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ivefan on July 19, 2012, 05:47:02 pm
Ah, it's been awhile since I indulged in the insanity that is elona. Thinkin about getting the Elona+ here. Just a couple quick questions though. Are wizards spells still stupidly weak compared to... well everything? Or have they been rebalanced a bit? Also are the saves compatible from the xmas version? Or would it be better to just make and use a gene? Well off to find a dl link.I always did everything so i never did get far. To me it just seems you need to use a large amount of spellbooks but you can get good damage on the spells.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 19, 2012, 06:33:42 pm
Post by: Patchy on July 19, 2012, 06:46:47 pm
Post by: Ivefan on July 19, 2012, 07:02:16 pm
Well I got a wizard with 25+ in most combat spells and 50+ almost 60 on nerve arrow/nightmare if I recall. I can solo most high lvl monsters with her, it just takes forever to do it. But if there isn't much difference in damage output of spells, I'll just roll up a new gene as a thief or gunner. Wizards are fun, but they really need something to help hike their damage up a bit, I've had a warrior with nearly half the stats as my wiz and it took far larger chunks of life out of some of the same beasties that my wiz has to sit there and pelt with spells all day.I kinda feel the same. Though i am using spells occasionally I think i'll just use them as support, casting weakness to easier kill, or web to slow em down while shooting them with my machine gun.
Post by: Trapezohedron on July 19, 2012, 07:16:18 pm
Post by: Ivefan on July 19, 2012, 07:42:40 pm
Just a question: Is Elosnack compatible with Elona+?...So its a save editor?
Why not just run wizard mode then?
Or edit a 1.22(?) save and then port it to elona+ if it the editor does not work with +
Post by: kcwong on July 19, 2012, 08:52:15 pm
Saves from 1.16 and 1.22 should be compatible, just make a backup first. If it doesn't work, migrate it to 1.22 then to +.
It's the same case as in vanilla - the developers recommend saving in a town before you copy the save files.
Also, talking to Yacatect gives the best item ever.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Still not very impressive... it requires using up a wish. I've seen better random artifacts on NPC adventurers.
Post by: Blaze on July 19, 2012, 10:36:23 pm
So far I've found the following "talk to god" items:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Jack_Bread on July 19, 2012, 11:05:48 pm
It's hard to beat though; combine this plus Mani's Mechanical Binder for +200 PV. The binder screws your Marksman and Tactics skills so melee/ranged is almost useless and it weighs 15 stones, but you can still hit medium armor for a minor -8% casting penalty. Plus, once you've got evolution potions and slb's, there's not much to wish for.They have to like you a lot for them to give you an item? Mani's still wandering around Lumiest for me, doing nothing.
So far I've found the following "talk to god" items:Currently smarming up to Lulzy.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Blaze on July 19, 2012, 11:11:57 pm
Post by: Patchy on July 20, 2012, 12:14:26 am
Though that brings to mind. Is the harvest spell nerfed in Elona+? That was my main source of wishes for my wizzie. I've gotten maybe 4 or 5 wish rods from harvest, semi rare considering how much I spammed it, but definately was nice to see those rods drop when they did.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 20, 2012, 12:49:35 am
I went all charisma last time...
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 20, 2012, 12:53:59 am
Post by: Patchy on July 20, 2012, 01:00:18 am
Post by: kcwong on July 20, 2012, 01:28:01 am
When you plan to use lots of pets, Natural Leader. This action skill basically give all your pets a second life (grants your pets Hero, Speed, and Contingency effects for some time. Based on Charisma).
Post by: Seriyu on July 20, 2012, 04:31:08 am
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 20, 2012, 02:18:38 pm
Uhh... poison seems more damaging too?
Post by: JimDale on July 20, 2012, 04:04:19 pm
As someone before mentioned, Dimensional move can be used to escape bandit gangs (and thus the penalty for surrendering).
Fire Breath, however, I picked for one sole reason. It can be abused to burn wells (simply aim at an NPC across the well from you) into non-existance for a minor karma hit, maybe -10 at the most. Often it's only -2 or -4 hits.
When the town regenerates, the well will regenerate with it, and with the well the drink charges will also. I've gotten five or six wishes off of wells this way, in one save.
In a way, it's like putting a point into "More Wishes"
Post by: kcwong on July 21, 2012, 10:17:54 am
It seems there are translation bugs... it said it want:
1 Mana Crystal
1 Heart
1 Book
1 Book
1 Coffin
But the books are not really books; it wants more body parts (including hearts). It also accepts cards and statues.
You get a Coffin of Necromancy as a result. When used it will release an undead monster... which is actually a monster of the void I think (neutral; you have to capture it. Killing it costs me -2 karma). At level 27, a green cat (that I could beat with eyes closed) is all I could get with numerous retries.
I tried with a rabbit heart, blood of greater pumpkin and bone of ancient coffin, using a scalework coffin. Maybe I should try something else...
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 21, 2012, 10:29:02 am
What's the class that might shoot twice? gunner?
I AM tempted, though I might just invest in firearms orr somethting.
Post by: kcwong on July 21, 2012, 10:34:40 am
I found a sniper rifle on my Claymore, itt was badass.
What's the class that might shoot twice? gunner?
I AM tempted, though I might just invest in firearms orr somethting.
Machine gun's better when your firearms is low... they often get a huge to-hit bonus.
(http://i.imgur.com/3Z6Zi.png)
Sniper comes with a to-hit penalty, but big dice and decapitation...
(http://i.imgur.com/F9QLe.png)
Post by: JimDale on July 21, 2012, 02:05:45 pm
Also, in the "?" section, is the "Rifle" section referring to sniper rifles or something else? The damage rolls in that area seemed a bit funny and I'm doubting myself.
Post by: Frumple on July 21, 2012, 02:48:39 pm
What's the best feats to start with?About half the time I just pull out the memory editor and take them all :P
I went all charisma last time...
Otherwise exorcist, then... whatever.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on July 21, 2012, 03:38:08 pm
Lulwy for speed?
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 21, 2012, 07:44:52 pm
Post by: Patchy on July 21, 2012, 09:09:20 pm
Jure and Opatos aren't bad either, and are silly easy to raise favor with. Jure is a lil more geared towards pet lovers and Opatos gives extra defense.
Kumiromi and Itzpalt are both really geared towards specific classes/activities. Farmers and wizards basically.
And last but not.... err ok maybe he is least useful in my opinion, Mani. Really I just don't care for him that much, his rewards are kind of meh.
Post by: Blaze on July 21, 2012, 09:45:51 pm
Itzpalt is easier to please, since he takes rods instead of staffs; rod charge doesn't seem to matter.
Mani got a significant boost, with his gemstone calling Mewmewmew!!! and his passive giving a 10% bonus to physical attack damage.
If you're going with Lulzy, I suggest you smarm up another god for their gifts first; hers is purely meh.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 21, 2012, 10:28:40 pm
Post by: MoloMowChow on July 23, 2012, 06:33:28 pm
1.09 -> 1.10 will be bugfixes and translations only.
Some changes:
- PCC graphics replaced with smaller versions, so they can be displayed without resizing
- PCC type selectable from options menu
- Increase in potential potion effect, frequency of pet training, Dojo effectiveness
- Astral Light Brush works on non-unique mobs as well
- Tweaked some evolved got pet graphics
- Extra critical chance and partial Evasion bypass when attacking from stealth
- Special ammo no longer carries weapon attributes
- Informer now charges 1000 gold to view stats
- Rarity of card drops decreased
- Some corpses can now provide magic and nether resistance
- AP feat Pride reduces incoming criticals
- Adjustment to Attribute special action
- Changes to various evolution bonuses
- Martial Arts kick (?)
- New evolutions, Salvo skill,
- Fixed regenerated necromantic coffin weight
- Fixed coffin recipe not consuming mana crystal
- Fixed PV/DV bug with Flying Scroll
- Fixed Zwiebel generation rate
- Changed region factor for some trade goods
Post by: Ivefan on July 23, 2012, 06:59:18 pm
Is there a way to automatically eat cargoes of traveler's food in Elona+ 1.08? I'm used to the character eating it whenever hunger drops to a certain level on the world map from the old versions.I think it does just before you're going to take damage from starvation
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 23, 2012, 07:18:43 pm
Post by: Niveras on July 23, 2012, 07:20:55 pm
Post by: Virroken on July 24, 2012, 11:35:25 pm
- Informer now charges 1000 gold to view stats
This is the best change thus far.
Post by: kcwong on July 25, 2012, 03:52:59 am
- Informer now charges 1000 gold to view stats
This is the best change thus far.
I like that NPCs no longer get teleported around by cursed item... that was introduced much earlier. I hate having to chase them around in order to turn in a quest.
Post by: JimDale on July 25, 2012, 01:14:13 pm
Just to clear it up, the recipe that uses panties creates the "Puff puff bread" and the one that uses a troll corpse creates "special steamed meat bun".
Post by: kcwong on July 25, 2012, 08:14:03 pm
It seems the bug with the two "Puff puff bread" options in the pot for fusion still persist, though.
Just to clear it up, the recipe that uses panties creates the "Puff puff bread" and the one that uses a troll corpse creates "special steamed meat bun".
I made the one with troll corpse in 1.08... I don't have any problem with it? The bun gave me a long duration stat growth boost.
Post by: Ivefan on July 25, 2012, 08:36:09 pm
Post by: Blaze on July 25, 2012, 08:42:27 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 25, 2012, 08:42:32 pm
I've been saving for that food.. but how does it actually work? A temporary potential boost?
Yeah, similar to when you eat equipments that maintain stat. IIRC it's over 1000 turns from the special food.\
But so far I only managed to create one bun... trolls I met don't like to leave a corpse. :|
Post by: empfan on July 29, 2012, 05:47:50 pm
Post by: quinnr on July 29, 2012, 06:06:12 pm
Any recommended places to go to for a character about to reach level 6? For the most part I've been barely scraping by with money, so I was hoping to get some for first taxes at least.I haven't had any issues with the taxes so far, you get a fair amount in salary to start with. A good way to make money I've found though is the delivery quests. You can get a bunch of money easily once you know where everything is.
Post by: Ivefan on July 29, 2012, 06:23:13 pm
2# Check quest board for birthday and hand in any item you have
3# Check the delivery quests and pick the ones that has the most to the same town or the nearest
Keep doing this for platinum and money till you puke.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on July 29, 2012, 10:39:06 pm
Any recommended places to go to for a character about to reach level 6? For the most part I've been barely scraping by with money, so I was hoping to get some for first taxes at least.
Spend all your money on IDing unknown Scrolls, Rods, Books, Potions, and Ores. When I say unknown, I mean stuff that's coming up with names like "Blurry Scroll" and "Mossy Book", or Ores that sell for only 2gp. After you've ID'd one of those once, every subsequent item of that type will come show up with the right name and can be sold for full price.
Once you've invested in IDing most of the common Scrolls, Rods, Books, Potions, and Ores, your dungeon runs will become immensely profitable.
Go to the Truce Grounds and find the altar of Yacatect of Wealth and start worshipping her. Her passive ability causes monsters to drop body parts at a MASSIVELY higher rate. After you ID a single skin, heart, eye, blood or bone, all other body parts of the same type from any monster will be able to be sold at full price (100-200 a pop for body parts coming from early monsters).
Secondly, learn the Anatomy skill to up the body part drops from monsters even further.
Yacatect + a decent Anatomy skill results in tens of thousands of gold in body parts from a single dungeon run. Pair that with Scroll/Rod/Book/Potion/Ore drops and you're raking in gold from dungeon runs.
Finally, learn the Sense Quality skill and don't spend your hard earned gold on IDing equipment.
Post by: Seriyu on July 30, 2012, 03:22:58 am
Post by: hachnslay on August 01, 2012, 05:25:49 am
i really don't want to lose my favorite heirloom (https://www.dropbox.com/s/p66n6x8txq8j8t7/too%20rediculous.png)...
Post by: JimDale on August 06, 2012, 02:04:10 pm
Post by: rarborman on August 28, 2012, 03:14:10 pm
So far I've been able to transfer; items, materials, spellbook, change classes, change races, restart lvl + turn + day without stat or skill losses, change apearances, reset the static dungeons, and reset some other stuff.
I've yet to find out how to transfer traits spells materials skills without replacing them, but I'm progressing well for plain file swapping.
Post by: Blaze on September 03, 2012, 07:33:27 pm
Post by: Markus on November 28, 2012, 07:14:08 pm
Well, anyways. Been trying to breed Military Putits until I have an evolution heart to start breeding GENERAL PUTITS! *putit* Until I get to that point in Elona+ I also spend some free time on a Pure Wizard Mode save trying to get the astral pen to work on Lomias and Larnneire. Except they won't accept any relationship-raising items, throwing a love potion at them or the floor provokes them, and there is no normal talk option to make use of my massive charisma. I know their relation value looks like it's a blank value, but can it actually be raised, or does that mean the pen won't work at all?
Post by: Blaze on November 28, 2012, 08:09:42 pm
AFAIK, you need the following:
1. Your level is higher than the NPC's. (Lomiase and Larnneire are ~25-ish I think)
3. The NPC(s) are at <Soul Mate> or higher.
4. You have enough AP (Don't remember exactly how much)
Instead of throwing love potions, mix it with a piece of food and give it to them (If you can't, drop it near them and hope they're hungry). Throwing potions at them does provoke them, but their affection still does go up; whether this is a net gain or not is unknown.
Post by: Markus on November 28, 2012, 09:16:18 pm
I had read the article for the astral pen on the wiki Twice and hadn't notice the ap thing. I was blindly trying to find something they would accept (drugged meat didn't work) until I accidently spawned a gift. I very cautiously gave it to one of them in my home. . .
SUCCESS
Of course, I spammed gifts. Then I tried the astral pen again-except wait, my AP is a whole whopping ZERO!
To get AP I need to unlock South Tyris. To unlock ST I need to beat the main story. I figured I could go straight to Mr. "Shadow of Palmia" and skip Vernis entirely so they would stay in my house.
No. Apparently he ignores you until you enter Vernis. Yeah, I have the mission to go to Lesimas. I talk to him, but he ignores me. The pair leave if you enter Vernis.
Yes, I know the two appear in The void, but such a meeting place is not exactly the best place to draw a images of old friends who are now 50+ levels higher than they were before and are now hostile.
TL:DR Does anyone know how to start the main quest in Elona without entering Vernis? Or will I just have to power my way through the void and hope I don't accidentally kill them?
Post by: Blaze on November 28, 2012, 09:27:11 pm
Post by: Markus on November 28, 2012, 09:48:41 pm
A putit rank ambush involving a few low level enemies. Killed em all. Still nothing. Then I kill a yeek right before leaving the map and check again on the remote hope that it worked.
Killing the Yeek fixed my AP counter to display correctly. I really would have bumbled about blindly without you. Thank you so much.
Post by: JimDale on November 29, 2012, 12:35:42 am
Post by: RumblingNoise on December 08, 2012, 08:53:25 am
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Post by: Leatra on December 08, 2012, 09:02:36 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on December 08, 2012, 02:51:48 pm
Post by: Virroken on December 09, 2012, 11:37:52 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 10, 2012, 12:18:41 am
But then, that's only what I've heard.
Post by: dei on December 10, 2012, 05:50:06 am
Post by: Moogie on December 10, 2012, 06:20:42 am
Edit: I decided. After going through the extensive Elona+ changelog, there's just too many tweaks and rebalances I strongly dislike. Whilst I'd enjoy some of the new stuff, particularly the crafting, it just doesn't seem worth it. Plus it sounds like most of it is untranslated.
Post by: JimDale on December 10, 2012, 04:47:29 pm
Even with the untranslated content in South Tyris, it's still playable. From what I remember of managing to beat it a few months ago, citizens and shopkeepers use old dialogue, so there's no confusion, and *I believe* the South Tyris special vendors have had their dialogue translated.
Quest givers use similar and appropriate dialogue from North Tyris quests, so it's not like you'll fumble around and suddenly find yourself facing a
Post by: Moogie on December 11, 2012, 08:40:40 am
There's also a lot of AI improvements to pets, and you can build up a combo multiplier in combat if you continually hit an NPC quickly.
A really nice addition is when you re-visit a merchant, the system will tell you if/when their stock is updated.
One change I am not sure about involves the leveling system. I can't fully understand the machine translation, but here is the quote:
Quote
When the level of experience of the character has been up and down, only the main basic skills and basic skills for each profession is so up and down. Variation is fixed at 1.
Because it is not due to the experience level fluctuations, these fluctuations are not potential.
Even when you fall in level 1, I do only main ability and skills fall.
I do the same thing on the top and bottom by the fall and Encha. These two now level variation exceeded the lower limit and upper limit of the value of direct experience The operation.
I haven't yet survived long enough to find any Potions of Descent to see how it differs from the vanilla game.
Post by: Deon on December 11, 2012, 09:12:45 am
For some reason Mediafire removed it, maybe because original Elona graphics include sprites from other games.
Post by: Patchy on December 15, 2012, 05:52:07 pm
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Post by: diggles on January 24, 2013, 10:56:26 pm
Elona+ 1.14 is out now, though whether it's got any new continent is unclear
is it true?
Post by: ComputerWarrior on January 25, 2013, 02:41:41 am
from wikia... That's a bit strange, for a (semi?) official documentation of the game to not know whether the game has a new continent or not.
Elona+ 1.14 is out now, though whether it's got any new continent is unclear
is it true?
But still, I have to say: It was mentioned for a long time that there will be a new continent in the game, so there probably is one added by this new version. It'll take too long for me to start the game again and 100% confirm its existence.
Post by: JimDale on January 25, 2013, 02:44:09 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 25, 2013, 02:52:03 am
Post by: Nite/m4re on January 26, 2013, 03:47:54 pm
Thanks in advance
Post by: Seriyu on January 26, 2013, 05:46:36 pm
Post by: Micro102 on January 27, 2013, 09:15:56 pm
Post by: Seriyu on January 30, 2013, 06:32:56 pm
Post by: Micro102 on January 31, 2013, 04:09:08 pm
(Do I have the way the levels work wrong? Does the game expect me to be level 600 or something for the 666 fortresses?)
Post by: Markus on January 31, 2013, 04:55:52 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Dungeons (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Dungeons)
Remember, your main progression in Elona is not levels, it's stats, skills, and equipment. Levels are mainly a pain-they bring a little boost to HP, MP, and allow you to pick a few new feats-but they also bring in stronger and stronger monsters, and leveling up does not at all mean your stats have gone up. It's not that you don't EVER want to get levels - they're inevitable - but you don't want to measure your progress by them. Think of them more as markers of how long you've been playing.
Post by: Micro102 on February 01, 2013, 03:07:42 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 18, 2013, 12:30:37 am
Spoiler: Pics so it did happen (click to show/hide)
Post by: Ibid Straydrink on February 19, 2013, 02:05:53 am
Post by: LordBucket on February 21, 2013, 11:58:14 am
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on February 21, 2013, 02:25:33 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on February 21, 2013, 05:59:14 pm
Opinions on Elona+? I liked a lot about Elona, but eventually it seemed that 95% of gameplay became about grinding quests for platinum. Glancing through the change notes I don't see any major redesigns. Looks like mostly new classes/races/areas and some balance changes.
Elona+ is Elona on steroids. If you liked Elona, you'll love Elona+. If you didn't like Elona, you won't like Elona+.
Post by: Seriyu on February 21, 2013, 06:00:22 pm
Platinum is still a bottleneck, and while the new skills from certain waypoints of progress in other skills help in midgame, early game you're still pretty helpless, making dungeons a gamble. With that said doing really low level dungeons starting out is still possible (and in fact it seems a bit easier, maybe they lowered the monster level variation, I'm not seeing nearly as many say, elemental hounds or whatever in low level dungeons. Also of note is the new god, Yactat of wealth, who gives platinum for jewelery, so that helps alleviate the platinum issue a bit, if you aren't terribly attached to a particular god already (opatos 4 lyfe). I've never used him so I dunno how much it helps.
Post by: Devling on February 21, 2013, 08:31:59 pm
I don't really like anime or manga, but this looks seminteresting.
Would you guys suggest it, and if so where should I go to learn how to play.
Post by: Seriyu on February 21, 2013, 10:27:28 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 22, 2013, 01:07:47 am
I should write a feats guide sometime...
E: Also, what god(dess, I suppose) would you guys pick, Lulwy or Yacatect? Speed is always nice and the black angel seems pretty okay, but I like money too. I'm having a tough time deciding between being really fast and being really rich. At least the choices are narrowed down to only those two: I've already gotten all rewards from Opatos, Mani, Jure, and Itzpalt, and I'm definitely never going to need Kumiromi or Ehekatl.
Post by: Alkhemia on February 22, 2013, 01:30:18 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 22, 2013, 06:27:53 pm
Combined with Anatomy, Yacatect's ability (makes you find enemy body parts, figurines, and cards more) is filling up my inventory. Like to the point I can't even pick stuff up anymore because I have too many items. Each of these body parts/figurines/cards sells for around 500 each and there are like 30 of them, so basically in addition to the 20k from the boss, each dungeon nets me another 15k.
In short, Yacatect of Wealth makes you wealthy. Who would have thought.
Post by: LordBucket on February 22, 2013, 07:50:03 pm
what god(dess, I suppose) would you guys pick, Lulwy or Yacatect?
I'm definitely never going to need Kumiromi or Ehekatl.
Kumiromi was always my preference when I played the original version. However...looking at plus, Yacatect gives platinum (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Yacatect_of_Wealth). Without having actually played plus long enough to see just how much platinum she gives...the fact that she does might make her vastly preferable to any other god.
Note that you can of course switch gods, with a limit of two god pets max. So you could worship Yacatect until she gives both the goose that lays platinum and the amulet that generates 10 platinum every month, then switch to Lulwy, if you wanted.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 22, 2013, 08:20:07 pm
Post by: LordBucket on February 24, 2013, 08:05:05 pm
Low level monsters that are totally unhittable, high spell failure rates, getting hungry or sleepy every couple minutes, inconsistent exceptions to the "no permanent stat loss until level 6" limit, regular overland weather that causes you to go blind and confused and lose control of your character, random semi-permanent highly crippling etherwind mutations...the list goes on.
This is not as fun as I remember.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on February 24, 2013, 08:43:53 pm
The cash loss from death is pretty significant too. Never be afraid to run for your life. Always have some kind of teleportation handy, be it scrolls, rods, the actual teleportation spell, or the Dimensional Move ability.Kitty banks, man. Those things are great. Finding one without stealing it from *INSERT THAT ONE TOWN HERE* is pretty difficult, though.
Post by: Seriyu on February 24, 2013, 08:47:26 pm
Post by: LordBucket on February 24, 2013, 09:06:02 pm
if your stats are red they're not permanantly lowered, you can fix that with a healer. Other then that, yes.
Plus appears to handle death penalties differently. Kind of looks like a bug, actually. I'm pretty sure in original elona, deaths during quests didn't count as deaths in terms of stat/gold loss. You can could killed during performance/hunting/harvest quests all you wanted. Whereas in plus, not only are they counted as deaths, they also count as a death and apply permanent stat loss even if you're under level 6 and supposedly under new player protection.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 24, 2013, 09:56:05 pm
If you really can't handle etherwind, get a cloak of Vindale, or be an Elea, or both. It specifically happens in the first 10 days of every 3rd month (so the beginning of 3 6 9 and 12 you will want to be near/in town).
Regarding heavy rain being a huge pain in the ass, you can wish for/find (wishing is easier but I have found one off some kind of lich enemy before) an aurora ring. They prevent you from getting confused (not blinded though so you still have to know which way to go) in heavy rain, stop you from randomly taking extra time to walk through snow, and also give you some sound resistance and a bit of DV/PV. They're pretty nice.
And this may be subjective/plain wrong, but in Elona+ it feels like guns are easier to use. Probably on account of the mod adding Firearm skill to everybody in the world. You can grab a machine gun and an energy cell, read a few change material scrolls (blessings on scrolls optional) and suddenly have adamantium machine guns that shoot people for 10d4 damage and have a hit bonus of like 20. Guns are pretty good.
Basically wish for stuff as soon as you can. Seven league boots + aurora ring + cloak of vindale = don't really worry about weather/travel ever
Post by: PrimusRibbus on February 24, 2013, 11:27:36 pm
And this may be subjective/plain wrong, but in Elona+ it feels like guns are easier to use. Probably on account of the mod adding Firearm skill to everybody in the world. You can grab a machine gun and an energy cell, read a few change material scrolls (blessings on scrolls optional) and suddenly have adamantium machine guns that shoot people for 10d4 damage and have a hit bonus of like 20. Guns are pretty good.
It may be subjective, but I agree with you. Given that Elona+ unlocks the Gunner class for PCs and gives the Gunner class a passive chance to double-shot, guns are stupidly good (particularly in the early game).
Having a Gunner worship Yacatect and learn Anatomy, and you're pressing F through dungeons for massive amounts of gold. Add to that all the options that Yacatect has for gaining Platinum, and you've got a powerhouse of a gun user very quickly. I've never even had a build come close to Gunner/Yacatect/Anatomy for shortest amount of time from start to Small Castle.
Post by: LordBucket on February 25, 2013, 12:03:16 am
Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 01:01:42 am
Post by: LordBucket on February 25, 2013, 01:37:45 am
The thing to avoid is being a new character without all the secondary support skills, spending hours just killing things and shooting up levels. You need to pick up tactics, eye of mind, evasion, and all the other support skills, or else your'e wasting a lot of potential power growth when you gain those levels.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 25, 2013, 01:52:26 am
Only thing changed about ranged weapon damage distances between Elona and + is that a new class of firearm, sniper rifles, was added, and nobody knows the damage spread for those... if you can call that a change.
Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 02:00:05 am
The thing to avoid is being a new character without all the secondary support skills, spending hours just killing things and shooting up levels. You need to pick up tactics, eye of mind, evasion, and all the other support skills, or else your'e wasting a lot of potential power growth when you gain those levels.
Yeah so it is exactly the same. Avoid leveling up as much as possible because you want more skill for less levels.
Though I still remember the Golem I once made. Golems are honestly underrated in the original Elona. You just had to get a good mount.
Post by: Seriyu on February 25, 2013, 02:03:29 am
Post by: Neonivek on February 25, 2013, 02:05:07 am
Yeah Dim immunity is crazy useful. And they started out with mining if I recall, which is a great way to gain Constitution.
Not only that but they also were immune to other status effects. And the thing is, while the mount could be paralyzed, as long as you weren't you still got your full move.
Post by: etgfrog on February 25, 2013, 03:37:05 am
Post by: Tarran on February 25, 2013, 04:13:38 am
Post by: Ivefan on February 25, 2013, 06:15:42 am
Out of curiosity: How much of Elona+ is untranslated or very badly translated (i.e, very difficult to understand)? I'm thinking of trying it but I don't want to not know 1/10 of what NPCs are saying.Unless it has changed the last year, only the new region is untranslated. But what you need to use there is probably documented and guided externally.
Post by: etgfrog on February 25, 2013, 10:15:28 am
oh...if you want to see it for yourself or are looking for the download(i know it took me a bit to find it)...then try
Spoiler: longlink (click to show/hide)
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 25, 2013, 06:19:26 pm
South Tyris is a different story. Most new dialogue is pretty Engrish-y, like "Ruoza here. Clearly say nothing in particular." and "Yerles investigation seems to be ruins somewhere." and the new quests are not really translated, but there are guides on the various wikis.
my only complaint about elona+ is how slow it is to level cooking(dispite cooking everything I find, 70% of the skill has been trained through traveling)I believe it only goes up if you succeed (not bony/leftover/kitchen refuse food). If you're using a portable cooking tool, I'd advise dragging the food back to town and using a food processor/maker (usually in the inn, but in Palmia it's in the bakery), since those make better dishes.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on February 25, 2013, 06:49:33 pm
my only complaint about elona+ is how slow it is to level cooking(dispite cooking everything I find, 70% of the skill has been trained through traveling)I believe it only goes up if you succeed (not bony/leftover/kitchen refuse food). If you're using a portable cooking tool, I'd advise dragging the food back to town and using a food processor/maker (usually in the inn, but in Palmia it's in the bakery), since those make better dishes.
Correct, you only gain Cooking experience if you make a third level dish or higher. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Cooking#Types_of_food_and_quality (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Cooking#Types_of_food_and_quality)
Like Aaron said, if you're not using a Food Maker, Food Processor, or Barbecue Set then you're not going to have much luck. I recommend learning Pickpocket, upping your Strength to 17 (whether through leveling it up, equipment, or using Blessed Potions of Hero), and stealing a Barbecue Set from a Party Time quest ASAP.
Post by: Tarran on February 26, 2013, 06:16:05 am
Also, I cannot believe I had been playing the game without pets for so long. They make things so much easier.
Post by: Neonivek on February 26, 2013, 06:19:18 am
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"Ruoza here. Clearly say nothing in particular."
Neonivek here. Not of finding the problems in this speach that I have been exampled to.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 26, 2013, 06:48:42 pm
...In my current game there's a male prostitute "having tail" with Ebon the fire giant in Noyel during the festival. I... don't know how I should be feeling right now.Oh yeah, I've seen that before. I have a picture around here somewhere, I think. As for the other point, I decided to put all my pets away after beating Zeome because I felt like I relied on them too much, so I think I have the opposite problem as you.
Also, I cannot believe I had been playing the game without pets for so long. They make things so much easier.
That seems like an actual new Elona+ line. Beautiful.Quote"Ruoza here. Clearly say nothing in particular."
Neonivek here. Not of finding the problems in this speach that I have been exampled to.
Post by: etgfrog on February 26, 2013, 09:42:48 pm
Post by: Tarran on February 26, 2013, 09:43:19 pm
Post by: LordBucket on February 26, 2013, 09:54:40 pm
what does the message "you feel like someone is watching you intently" mean
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Equipment_attributes
Post by: Tiruin on February 27, 2013, 02:04:00 am
Post by: Seriyu on February 27, 2013, 02:19:38 am
The links below Axfc Uploader, Yahoo!, and sugarsync specifically.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on February 27, 2013, 02:20:26 am
Does anyone have the link to the Elona + .zip download? Can't find it anywhere, or at least that's what the search engine says.
This should work. (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmv7mo349ehd7l1/Pdsz1NzE-V/elonaplus/elonaplus1.15555.zip)
Post by: Tarran on February 28, 2013, 04:16:28 am
What is this amazing thing that happened to convince me you ask? Well, I was going to identify stuff, when ONE TILE away from the wizard he's assassinated. One tile. Out of all the other NPCs that could've died, it had to be him, and it had to be at that exact time. This is even worse than one of my pets dying to a well shortly after reviving him.
Post by: kcwong on February 28, 2013, 08:15:19 am
Post by: Markus on February 28, 2013, 10:11:45 pm
Post by: LordBucket on February 28, 2013, 10:24:15 pm
What is the requirement for an NPC to be assassinated, anyways? If I remember correctly, it's dependent upon the amount of Doomed equipment they have on, right?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Curse
Only 1 equipped is needed. Multiples just speed up the process or make it more likely.
Post by: Tarran on March 01, 2013, 12:18:43 am
Post by: Kaitol on March 01, 2013, 02:28:35 am
's my theory anyway.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 01, 2013, 02:34:50 am
Not sure if giving them scrolls of uncurse will work. It probably won't work because they're not that smart.
Post by: LordBucket on March 01, 2013, 06:29:42 pm
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platinum
Wow. So I used cheat engine to overcome the platinum problem. Went around to each town buying up skills with the plan to train them to 200% potential, that being the starting point for skills a new character starts with.
It took thousands of platinum. I'm not even sure how many thousands because I gave myself 200-250 at a time thinking it would only take a couple hundred. No, it took so many times that I got bored pushing keys and stopped with several skills over 100. And I didn't even finish buying skills. I still have guild skills so tht's another couple hundred.
The platinum thing is way out of control in this game.
Post by: etgfrog on March 01, 2013, 06:56:06 pm
using plat for train skill is a bit of a waste for reasons you've just saw...really if you were going to do something like that, you could have just given yourself bonus points and used those, but overall i've found the most effective way of dealing with skills is to just use the bonus points from level ups and only use them on skills that drop below 50%Quoteplatinum
Wow. So I used cheat engine to overcome the platinum problem. Went around to each town buying up skills with the plan to train them to 200% potential, that being the starting point for skills a new character starts with.
It took thousands of platinum. I'm not even sure how many thousands because I gave myself 200-250 at a time thinking it would only take a couple hundred. No, it took so many times that I got bored pushing keys and stopped with several skills over 100. And I didn't even finish buying skills. I still have guild skills so tht's another couple hundred.
The platinum thing is way out of control in this game.
however...in my game...i now have 2 "good" ether disease...one that decreases DV by 55 but increases damage by 23(i still have 82 dv after this) and the other randomly sets weather to rain, which is great for training swimming...aka training speed.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 01, 2013, 06:58:50 pm
And not many things have more than 100 of any skill, until you start messing around in South Tyris with the level 100+ regular enemies.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on March 01, 2013, 07:23:02 pm
I currently have 4 pets [50 Chutzpah hooo!], each with 100+ DV/PV. Know the bad part? They still aren't helpful in 20+ level dungeons. I've been engineering them, too. There's simply got to be a better way to make allies useful mid-game, the damage-equipment types are ruining them, mostly because they keep melting my artifact equipment since they're so stupid with it.
I get to solo the Minotaur Nest now, wish me luck.
Post by: Blaze on March 01, 2013, 07:33:35 pm
Post by: LordBucket on March 01, 2013, 07:39:15 pm
As for pets, I've read lot of good things about them, but personally I found them to generally not be worth the trouble. It seems to take a lot of energy to make them useful and I generally found it to be far more effective and much less effort to simply develop a heavy armor gunner who can walk into most places and hold down the fire button until things stop moving.
Post by: Tarran on March 01, 2013, 08:02:02 pm
They block melee enemies, they distract others from me (player death is far, far worse than a pet death and I'm possibly the heaviest hitter), they serve as a place to drop the stuff I don't want to use but would never/don't want to give away, and in some cases they're really powerful. For example, I think my Little Girl I had since the beginning is a higher level than me. And in a battle versus 7 level 15 or so enemies in a pet battle, they won (despite being roughly 16, 10, 10, and 8 respectively).
They are especially useful with my Shaking Bow, which teleports enemies to me, where my pets promptly smack down the teleported enemy the same turn.
Post by: Cthulhu on March 01, 2013, 08:16:46 pm
Granted, I'm probably gonna marry the dog, so maybe this is all relative.
Post by: Tarran on March 01, 2013, 08:22:24 pm
Plus, I only use her to beat up on bad guys, not the more disturbing things like... errr, you know.
Post by: etgfrog on March 01, 2013, 09:18:36 pm
I find ten platinum to level new skills potential is generally more or less what you'll need, if you count bonuses from having a good bed which can add 10+% a night you shouldn't find an issue with the potential. Even with huge potential [150+%] it takes for-goddamn-ever to level skills at a certain point, though, so it's probably best to just save it for buying the skills and then sleeping a bunch [especially good if you get potential adding dreams!] with a good bed.you could give them flying and acidproof their weapons...i know my pets have those and haven't had a problem...but then again the highest dungeon i've done so far is level 10 difficulty, maybe i'm being too passive...
I currently have 4 pets [50 Chutzpah hooo!], each with 100+ DV/PV. Know the bad part? They still aren't helpful in 20+ level dungeons. I've been engineering them, too. There's simply got to be a better way to make allies useful mid-game, the damage-equipment types are ruining them, mostly because they keep melting my artifact equipment since they're so stupid with it.
I get to solo the Minotaur Nest now, wish me luck.
in other interesting stuff...getting a book of harvest and having magic device over 20 will let you fill the charges of the book and possibly make lots of money(also drops ancient books, medals and plat coins)
ok, I do have a question, how can you get rid of a guild trainer who somehow appeared on the servant list?
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 02, 2013, 01:57:22 am
Post by: etgfrog on March 02, 2013, 05:24:13 pm
also...what was i thinking...book of harvest cannot be recharged, still nice to find the book
Post by: Tarran on March 03, 2013, 02:43:38 pm
Edit: Nevermind, finally found them after digging up every sight impeding tile in the town...
Post by: Zangi on March 04, 2013, 07:13:57 pm
Pets with traveling, seems to help them develop fairly quickly... the Little Girl, (one from slave market, not starter) is level 14 to my level 9.
Well, she has been my bodyguard the whole time, if it kills her, it'll kill me even faster, if I don't manage to dodge it. Fairy Claymore, cause Claymore and small non flying critter with crappy cloth claymore killing things. (Still working on that...)
Perhaps the Little Sister I just picked up would get up there pretty quick, low hp though... at least more then me. She has traveling, so decent expectations there.
Post by: Blaze on March 04, 2013, 07:43:46 pm
Or is there another little sister in Eloplus?
Post by: Zangi on March 04, 2013, 07:53:08 pm
Apparently the Little Girl and Younger Sister both have evolutions...
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 04, 2013, 09:46:10 pm
:P
Post by: em312s0n on March 17, 2013, 05:13:17 pm
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Weapons, living independent of the inscription, to choose the type of enchantment to a certain extent.
Or species with which of the enchantment of the same strain at the moment is completely random.
With absolutely no vampire, from level 11 to level 10 is added to ensure blood sucking.
The maximum level of choice or I should stop at level 10 or so plus a bloodsucking enchanted at the risk 15.
· There are usually generated in the scroll of the name.
can anybody here read japanese and provide a better translation?
http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/%3FElona%25A1%25DC%25B9%25B9%25BF%25B7%25BE%25F5%25B6%25B7&usg=ALkJrhiUYFqioOb9CFW_IeAw4sf0SnDbVw (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/%3FElona%25A1%25DC%25B9%25B9%25BF%25B7%25BE%25F5%25B6%25B7&usg=ALkJrhiUYFqioOb9CFW_IeAw4sf0SnDbVw)
Post by: Tarran on March 17, 2013, 07:18:03 pm
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Weapons, living independent of the inscription, to choose the type of enchantment to a certain extent.My guess: Living weapons have some control over what enchantments they get.
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With absolutely no vampire, from level 11 to level 10 is added to ensure blood sucking.My guess: If a weapon has no blood sucking, level 11 weapons always get blood sucking.
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The maximum level of choice or I should stop at level 10 or so plus a bloodsucking enchanted at the risk 15.My guess: Some sort of thing about the dev saying it adds a choice whether to continue boosting the weapon at the cost of blood sucking or keep it at its current level.
Possibly also mentions that the chance of additional bloodsucking past level 15 is increased.
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· To be thrown "throwing" the furniture, junk, such as trees in the command. Well system and tool system are excluded.My guess: You can now throw junk (and furniture), not just potions. Damage depends on throwing skills and weight, but you cannot throw anything too heavy while your weightlifting skill is low.
Damage depends throwing skills and weight. I can not throw anything heavy weightlifting skill is low, however.
Post by: em312s0n on March 17, 2013, 07:31:36 pm
-snip-thanks kinda figured that too.
Post by: Markus on March 18, 2013, 11:50:48 am
Er. . . never heard of those before.
Post by: Tarran on March 18, 2013, 02:22:18 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Living_weapon
Post by: Kaje on March 19, 2013, 02:20:37 pm
Post by: Neonivek on March 19, 2013, 02:22:42 pm
Can anyone explain to me what Elona actually is...and perhaps provide me with a working download link of the best version?
It is a game about sex with bears and women's panties
Post by: Kaje on March 19, 2013, 02:28:01 pm
Can anyone explain to me what Elona actually is...and perhaps provide me with a working download link of the best version?
It is a game about sex with bears and women's panties
I almost hope you're serious.
But, seriously, what is it - and where do I get it?
Post by: Zangi on March 19, 2013, 02:56:19 pm
A roguelike with graphics basically. It is decorated with awesome and stuff.Can anyone explain to me what Elona actually is...and perhaps provide me with a working download link of the best version?
It is a game about sex with bears and women's panties
I almost hope you're serious.
But, seriously, what is it - and where do I get it?
Latest version can be found here: http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/
You could also use the English Wiki (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona_Wiki), but it'll lead you to the japanese wiki/site anyways.
I am personally familiar with the Axfc Uploader link, but dropbox sounds like a decent alternative.
Post by: Kaje on March 19, 2013, 02:59:32 pm
Is it all in Japanese, or translated?
Post by: Kaje on March 19, 2013, 03:11:13 pm
Buggery Warrior?
Gay of Yellow?
Commandments Infant?
Really?
Still rolling...
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on March 19, 2013, 03:12:19 pm
Post by: etgfrog on March 19, 2013, 03:16:03 pm
but i seriously recommend reading http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Beginner%27s_Guide (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Beginner%27s_Guide)
Post by: Neonivek on March 19, 2013, 04:06:32 pm
What I said actually occurs in the game but it isn't the focus. Panties are just one type of throwing weapon and you can have sex with anything in the game.
Post by: Markus on March 21, 2013, 08:21:00 am
Post by: Tarran on March 27, 2013, 09:33:17 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 28, 2013, 12:35:26 am
Post by: Leatra on March 30, 2013, 11:07:36 am
Post by: Patchy on March 30, 2013, 12:14:25 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 30, 2013, 02:38:15 pm
Traveling along roads also gives you the chance to meet the traveling merchants.I thought you could meet them anywhere. I haven't been paying much attention to where I actually see them though.
In other news, I swear the ether disease RNG is rigged (okay well every RNG is rigged but this one especially). EVERY first mutation I get is always either dementia on spellcasters or debilitation on fighters. Literally every single one. Gosh darn I sure hate the ether wind so much.
Post by: Zangi on March 30, 2013, 10:27:14 pm
Post by: LordBucket on March 31, 2013, 01:08:21 am
Post by: TempAcc on March 31, 2013, 04:45:19 pm
Post by: Tarran on March 31, 2013, 04:53:19 pm
See last post. Pretty sure that's how I got a graphics pack to work.
Post by: TempAcc on March 31, 2013, 05:22:09 pm
Time to play a pianist again.
Post by: Leatra on April 01, 2013, 01:30:11 pm
So, with proper care, over time ether disease becomes a very beneficial thing in which you simply accumulate good effects.Yeah, I suggest the symptom which makes you grow feathers. You get +18 speed, -20% weight and the penalty is you can't wear cloaks. If I had a cloak that gave me those effects I would wear it anyway. Combined with speed rings and the symptom which turns your foot into hooves you can have insanely high speed. I currently have 164 speed myself without the hooves thing.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 01, 2013, 02:03:04 pm
Yeah, I suggest the symptom which makes you grow feathers. You get +18 speed, -20% weight and the penalty is you can't wear cloaks.Apparently it can be even more than 18 speed. What does the -20% weight mean, though? Is it like your character's weight on the character sheet or does it have actual game effects?
Side question: can you get ether disease symptoms that you already had before, but cured? Being a living mana battery was kinda cool, and I think it's the only way you can learn Teleport Other besides wizard dreams and scrolls of wonder.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on April 01, 2013, 03:58:44 pm
Post by: Kaitol on April 01, 2013, 07:46:29 pm
Post by: Leatra on April 02, 2013, 10:10:26 am
More than 18 speed? Well, it gives me only 18 speed more but I'd love to skyrocket my speed further if I knew how.Yeah, I suggest the symptom which makes you grow feathers. You get +18 speed, -20% weight and the penalty is you can't wear cloaks.Apparently it can be even more than 18 speed. What does the -20% weight mean, though? Is it like your character's weight on the character sheet or does it have actual game effects?
Side question: can you get ether disease symptoms that you already had before, but cured? Being a living mana battery was kinda cool, and I think it's the only way you can learn Teleport Other besides wizard dreams and scrolls of wonder.
-20% weight applies to your inventory so the total weight of items you carry weigh -20% less.
You can get the same symptoms you cured yourself of before. Still, you don't have a high chance of getting the same symptom considering the number of possible symptoms you can get. My suggestion is, when you get a symptom you want to keep, cure it anyway if you got much worse symptoms before that. If it's your first symptom, just wait until you get two other symptoms and chug a potion of cure corruption (not blessed). You'll be only left with the symptom you wanted to have.
BTW, I'm still playing with the base Elona. I tried Elona+ but then reverted back to the old version after realizing that I liked the original better. Call it nostalgia filter, maybe. Changes aren't really drastic but if you really know how the game works (like the chances of something happening, some tricks that can be done with savescumming, etc) you'll realize that the game changed a lot in the background.
Post by: Ivefan on April 02, 2013, 10:45:16 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 02, 2013, 12:18:20 pm
Post by: Markus on April 02, 2013, 01:13:47 pm
Post by: Rutee on April 04, 2013, 09:58:29 am
Post by: Ivefan on April 04, 2013, 10:35:24 am
Am I doing something terribly wrong with my wizard?Thats your problem right there.
Unfortunately, the way the game is made requires you to burn through libraries worth of books to level up your damage and that only trains one spell.
I seem to recall that E+ did something to alleviate that but it's still bad.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 04, 2013, 10:54:12 am
As for damage, yeah, you will need to cast the same spell dozens and dozens of times. The mage's guild is a big help here, as you can just order spellbooks of nerve arrow or magic dart or whatever so you don't have to be afraid of running out of stocks.
...My wizard did end up using melee after the main quest though...
Post by: Ivefan on April 04, 2013, 11:02:05 am
The mage's guild is a big help here, as you can just order spellbooks of nerve arrow or magic dart or whatever so you don't have to be afraid of running out of stocks.I think i read that you can use charge magic device on books in E+. So get carpentry and start making rods to drain.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 04, 2013, 11:04:55 am
Post by: Rutee on April 04, 2013, 11:57:46 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 04, 2013, 12:13:13 pm
Post by: Rutee on April 04, 2013, 12:46:14 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 04, 2013, 12:48:36 pm
Post by: Rutee on April 04, 2013, 01:01:12 pm
So piety boosters, randarts I'll actually want, pokeballs (...I should go catch a silver-eyed witch), my blue capsule drags, basic crap you wish for... maybe cure my ether disease so I can pick up my Dominate Rods. Sadface - with even wizards fighting in melee... :(
Are Ether weapons a really ridiculous increase or something? By the time I actually get to wielding lightsabers, I should have an even more ridiculous stack of Cure Corruption, after all.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 04, 2013, 04:11:59 pm
Side warning: you won't be able to pass down the drags, since they're precious.
Post by: Leatra on April 05, 2013, 12:12:24 pm
Post by: Zangi on April 05, 2013, 12:28:54 pm
But yea, Holy Shield/Heroism really helps when you are getting hit by magic.
Post by: Tarran on April 08, 2013, 10:45:05 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 08, 2013, 10:49:18 pm
Other than that, no, I got nothing.
Post by: Markus on April 10, 2013, 08:25:33 pm
Post by: Azure on May 17, 2013, 07:48:20 am
HspError 7 WinError 0 Ver 2240 Mode 3
efId 0 efP 0 Area 15/1
ci 0#473 ti 0#473 cc 0#-206192241 tc 0#-206192241 rc 0#-206192241
3. ctrlFile:game1:array ct:0
2. ctrlFile:game1:evs ct:0
1. ctrlFile:game1:end ct:0
0. ctrlFilegdatan/end ct:0
Sorry.
Is there some kind of memory hack or something I can do to fix it?
Post by: Blaze on May 17, 2013, 06:05:37 pm
Which version did you import the character from?
Also, make sure your character is in a town/home before migrating him/her over.
Post by: Markus on May 17, 2013, 10:55:38 pm
Someday.
Post by: Azure on May 18, 2013, 03:44:18 am
Post by: Blaze on May 18, 2013, 10:57:43 am
Then download the older versions of Elona+ and slowly migrate your save through them.
It's a bit time consuming but it should work.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 18, 2013, 11:14:46 pm
Also it looks like spellcasting got buffed very hard in 1.19 of Elona+. Rejoice, ye wizards! I know I'll be. :P
Post by: freeformschooler on May 18, 2013, 11:39:55 pm
All these updates. Wow, I should really keep up better.
Also it looks like spellcasting got buffed very hard in 1.19 of Elona+. Rejoice, ye wizards! I know I'll be. :P
That's a huge change if so. The magic had so much potential but so little practicality for most characters.
Post by: Patchy on May 19, 2013, 07:35:47 am
Post by: Felius on May 19, 2013, 10:37:46 am
Post by: Blaze on May 19, 2013, 10:43:15 am
Make sure you click the download button in the center within 2 minutes of opening the page or it'll time out.
Post by: Markus on May 19, 2013, 05:54:16 pm
Oh well, update AWAY!
. . .
Uh, anyone know a good way to get those hearts to upgrade my putits into royal putits/military putits into general putits?
. . .
Well, I downloaded it successfully, but would someone do me the honor of uploading it to a. . . safer website for me next time? I. . . miraculously managed to diffuse that situation. *Shudder*
Post by: Blaze on May 19, 2013, 06:51:28 pm
Mirrors are available though.
Post by: Markus on May 19, 2013, 07:27:38 pm
Hm? AXFC never game me problems before, and that's the link taken directly off the Elona+ site. Are you sure it isn't something on your end?Strange. When I went there my screen had a lot of. . . animated advertisements, if you know what I mean.
Mirrors are available though.
Porn advertisements. WITH SOUND.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 19, 2013, 08:16:34 pm
Uh, anyone know a good way to get those hearts to upgrade my putits into royal putits/military putits into general putits?Every enemy drops them..... at a minuscule chance. I got my first (and only) heart in like.... 10000 kills? Probably more.
Post by: Blaze on May 19, 2013, 08:30:16 pm
Strange. When I went there my screen had a lot of. . . animated advertisements, if you know what I mean.When I turned off Ad-block on the page, the only ad I saw was for Japanese Amazon.
Porn advertisements. WITH SOUND.
If your ads were in pop-ups/ins/unders and/or were in English, you probably have adware on your system or something.
Post by: Markus on May 19, 2013, 09:31:24 pm
Strange.Strange. When I went there my screen had a lot of. . . animated advertisements, if you know what I mean.When I turned off Ad-block on the page, the only ad I saw was for Japanese Amazon.
Porn advertisements. WITH SOUND.
If your ads were in pop-ups/ins/unders and/or were in English, you probably have adware on your system or something.
Oh well, no more dwelling on the past. Time to achieve my dream of breeding an army of PUTITS to kill the final boss!
. . . Right after this public service announcement.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 20, 2013, 10:02:42 am
I'll probably still dick around on the surface ignoring major world events, though.
Post by: Patchy on May 20, 2013, 03:32:56 pm
Post by: Markus on May 20, 2013, 05:09:16 pm
To be more specific, I'd just used a pair of cursed sandbags on Lomias and Lanneire before they even had the chance to leave the cave.
I should feel bad, right?
Post by: Ivefan on May 20, 2013, 05:27:02 pm
I should feel bad, right?I see that you haven't been desensitized yet. Not enough exposure to the main section of the forum or haven't played enough DF yet.
Cursing someone to be a practice dummy is nothing around here :P
Post by: Markus on May 20, 2013, 07:29:24 pm
Garry's Mod:Kill rebels repeatedly. Kill rebels, Alyx, Barney, and other humans however possibly and painfully. Combine take over everything. Torture Ragdolls. Gore mod. Yes. BLOOD EVERYWHERE. =D
Dwarf Fortress:Extremely protective of my Dorfs and nearby kobolds/elves, hateful of Gobbos and Humans. Generally "invite" a necromancer adventurer of mine to the Fortress. Sometimes modify dwarves to breed quickly and die painfully, if I'm in a fell mood.
Elona:Putit? SO. . . I have to punch something to regain my manliness! *Proceeds to punch a T-Rex* There. *Sees putit again* More punching necessary! *Punches all of North Tyris* There. Now to return to my putit ranches.
I think I've my point across. I guess it might also be the "A Million is a Statistic" mindset. I once used wizard mode to Ragnarok, then Nuked, then Ragnarok again, then MewMewMew's the capital.
I can be such a terrible person, and everyone only knows me as a nice person. . . Ahahah!
Okay, more related to gameplay:Does anyone know if Putit Tanks spawn naturally, or do I have to go through the pain of getting a military putit, using a heart to make it a command putit, then using another heart for a putit tank? I have a thing for putits.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 20, 2013, 07:33:08 pm
Post by: etgfrog on May 20, 2013, 08:28:35 pm
Post by: Neonivek on May 20, 2013, 08:39:22 pm
Quote
Garry's Mod
As always I have to point out that it isn't a game in it of itself. It is a tool that can be used to play games.
Garry's Mod is as much a game as RPGmaker is.
Post by: Leatra on May 21, 2013, 02:38:49 pm
I once used wizard mode to Ragnarok, then Nuked, then Ragnarok again, then MewMewMew's the capital.Alien invasions are better. Just let an alien place an egg on you and spend some time around a city for a while.
I can be such a terrible person, and everyone only knows me as a nice person. . . Ahahah!
Then collect the items you find on corpses.
Post by: Fikes on May 21, 2013, 02:47:18 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 21, 2013, 03:03:09 pm
Spoiler: Everything you need to do and what happens (click to show/hide)
Post by: Neonivek on May 21, 2013, 03:31:06 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on May 21, 2013, 03:38:26 pm
Honestly Elona seems like a game that shouldn't really have an ending.
Luckily, it doesn't have one. Finishing the main quest line does not end the game.
Post by: Seriyu on May 21, 2013, 06:19:04 pm
Post by: Patchy on May 21, 2013, 06:28:56 pm
Post by: Markus on May 21, 2013, 07:21:49 pm
New patch out, short version is you can now hug enemies to death, the weapon class special attacks are now tied to a limit break gauge of some kind, and you can now put melee weapons into the ranged slot and throw them, and put bows into the main weapon slot and whack people with them.Wait, this is still Plus right?EDIT: also what file do I copy over to transfer a character I'm lost send help
Post by: Seriyu on May 21, 2013, 07:34:56 pm
Post by: Markus on May 21, 2013, 08:35:19 pm
Am I the only one who occasionally uses debug races like bacteria and slime?
Post by: alway on May 21, 2013, 10:50:28 pm
Spoiler: hells yes (click to show/hide)
I pretty much play it as a machinegun-toting variation of the battlemage.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 22, 2013, 12:46:02 am
And since I've had to compare my characters to other peoples', I took a bunch of screenshots of related stuff. I'll leave it in a link since spoilers still load even if not opened, but I'll just leave the main page screenshot here.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Seriyu on May 22, 2013, 12:50:11 am
. . . Sounds like something Argus would do to add insult to injury.
Am I the only one who occasionally uses debug races like bacteria and slime?
Not at all! In fact the bacteria race is a rather important thing in the "plot".
So I've been playing the past couple days; currently level 15. So far, I've managed to get 3 wishes from my pet using wells. Used them all on potions of evolution.Not a bad start, all things considered.Spoiler: hells yes (click to show/hide)
I pretty much play it as a machinegun-toting variation of the battlemage.
Small hint, for a warmage you probably want to go mostly light armor if you intend on actually using magic. Your total equips including weapon have to weigh under 15.0s for that. Medium isn't terrible. Definitely don't go into heavy armor, it gives a huge casting penalty. Also shields and dual weilding knock it down a little. Probably not too bad if you have casting at a decent level. Heavy armor is the biggest thing to note.
Also guns are always a great choice. :P
EDIT: SirAaronIII has revealed that heavy armor is a 20% penalty, it'll cap at 80% if yo uwear it. Medium is probably something closer to 5%, Shields are 12%, and I think dual wielding was 7%? You definitely don't want to stack them but you could probably get away with one or two of them. Or just one if it's heavy armor or maybe shields.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 22, 2013, 12:58:49 am
Sad thing about magic and gunnery is that usually bullets+machine guns are enough to put you into medium armor weight.
Post by: Patchy on May 22, 2013, 07:49:26 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: etgfrog on May 22, 2013, 10:15:59 am
Post by: Patchy on May 22, 2013, 10:47:55 am
Post by: Seriyu on May 22, 2013, 03:57:54 pm
Post by: Markus on May 22, 2013, 04:23:52 pm
The rubynus bulletproof jacket weighs less than either of them.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 22, 2013, 07:32:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Man, this saves so much time grinding quests over and over for money. But it'll never solve the issue of platinum.
Post by: Leatra on May 22, 2013, 08:53:23 pm
Really, with the wicked feat, a huge booze stockpile, and the animations turned off I make like 1m in 20 mins. I think I told about this moneymaking tactic like 5 times in this thread.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 22, 2013, 09:03:26 pm
Post by: Tarran on May 22, 2013, 09:48:36 pm
Post by: Patchy on May 23, 2013, 08:51:11 am
Post by: Markus on May 23, 2013, 03:35:41 pm
Post by: Seriyu on May 23, 2013, 09:13:57 pm
Post by: Patchy on May 24, 2013, 06:38:34 am
Post by: Markus on May 24, 2013, 08:06:41 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 24, 2013, 10:45:31 am
Post by: kcwong on May 24, 2013, 11:42:47 am
I believe for weapons it's a +x to damage and hit, and for armor it's +x to PV and DV.
What SirAaronIII said... also, Elona is no D&D at all. This enchanting increasing damage and to hit for weapons is very much a NetHack thing.
Post by: Kaitol on May 24, 2013, 02:40:05 pm
Post by: kcwong on May 25, 2013, 05:13:37 am
My Longsword +1 disagrees, unless that mechanic was added to D&D after Nethack was a thing? Not too clear on D&D feature history, but they definitely have +# enchantments for equipment.
It's stated so on its official site (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html "Elona is a freeware roguelike RPG.").
Elona developed its own system, drifting further and further away from its source, and is now unique. You can't easily find this gene engineering, ranching, riding and leashing system elsewhere...
And you see Plus 1 bonus in pretty much all RPGs. My comment was a response to yours (" I'm not familiar with D&D at all, so I'm a bit lost."), informing you that understanding D&D won't help you much.
Post by: Tarran on May 25, 2013, 05:48:32 am
Also, he didn't say he wasn't familiar with D&D. That was Markus. This is Kaitol's first post for several pages.
Post by: Markus on May 25, 2013, 08:28:05 am
I still succeeded at failing, it appears.
Anyways, I asked here because I didn't see anything on the wiki at the time. Apparently, it's +/-# damage for weapons, +/-2# PV for armor. Additionally, a weapon/armor being blessed/cursed) acts like a +/-1. Seems like hardening weapons and armor in shops can really be worth it. . . even as expensive as it is.
Some other veins of discussion I'd like to open up.
1. Are there better ways to raise MP other than looking for and cooking herbs that increase MAG, WIL, LER, and eating magic fruits?
2. Who are your favorite characters to use the Astral Light Pen on? Personally, I'm wondering if anyone's recruited a high level @ yet. Usually, however, I keep out of vernis and don't buy a new house to recruit the two Elea, instead of going into "The Void" and trying to not get killed there.
3. Does anyone else here want a putit plushie? *putit*
Post by: alway on May 25, 2013, 10:48:11 am
Anyways, I asked here because I didn't see anything on the wiki at the time. Apparently, it's +/-# damage for weapons, +/-2# PV for armor. Additionally, a weapon/armor being blessed/cursed) acts like a +/-1. Seems like hardening weapons and armor in shops can really be worth it. . . even as expensive as it is.Yep, especially early on. One or two additional guaranteed points of damage on your early weapons is simply great.
Hehehe, just got the Business Card from blackjack. As such, I have renamed the class of my character from Warmage to Dakkamancer.
Post by: Leatra on May 26, 2013, 07:40:35 am
Worshipping yacatect and having the anatomy skill wll cause huge amounts of monster parts to drop while doing dungeon raids. Very easy way to make money and possibly nets you some nice artifacts that you wouldn't get if you just banged all the town merchants for cash. And even without Yacatect, you can still make decent amounts of money from dungeon raids.Banging the town is a more reliable way of making money. You can lift 5k everytime and I make sure every shopkeeper in Vernis have around 1m so it takes some time to milk them all. With a few million dollars all you need to do is invest into every shopkeeper you banged and they'll start bringing the good stuff. Everyone is happy!
My 83 CHA sends it's regards.
Post by: Un67 on May 26, 2013, 08:11:55 am
Post by: Leatra on May 26, 2013, 11:52:35 am
Post by: Markus on May 26, 2013, 03:31:12 pm
Post by: Blaze on May 26, 2013, 06:59:22 pm
Quote from: Elona+ Changelog
You now get bonus spell power depending on how high your elemental resist on that element is.
Spell stock consumption now lowered by 1/3.
Spellbooks now cost half price.
Removed the 1% spell potential gain after reading a book.
Sleeping will now let you gain 20% more spell potential on all spells except for ones that you don't have stocks to.
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.
Post by: alway on May 26, 2013, 09:18:39 pm
Yep. It's great.Quote from: Elona+ ChangelogYou now get bonus spell power depending on how high your elemental resist on that element is.
Spell stock consumption now lowered by 1/3.
Spellbooks now cost half price.
Removed the 1% spell potential gain after reading a book.
Sleeping will now let you gain 20% more spell potential on all spells except for ones that you don't have stocks to.
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang.
I'm playing a gun-wielding warmage (whose class got renamed Dakkamancer as soon as I got my first business card from the blackjack games). I've found it a very viable strategy to wait until potential for spells is at 400%, then when I have some spare stocks, going out of town to train em up really fast and at low cost. Just a single spell level in all of em I find handy, putting the potential at 360%, then repeat every 2 sleeps. In particular, things with high value like wizard harvest can use this, giving a spell level (and thus stock use decrease) every couple casts, so long as you wait for potential after each level.
Post by: Blaze on May 26, 2013, 10:22:05 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/SIFVHE2.png)
I gave my jet fighter traveling from an Alien.
Post by: Patchy on May 26, 2013, 11:05:56 pm
Post by: alway on May 26, 2013, 11:23:08 pm
Post by: etgfrog on May 26, 2013, 11:38:12 pm
Post by: Markus on May 27, 2013, 08:28:13 am
Yeah; looks like he did a Vernis to Noyel run, so that would give quite a bit. Though I suspect it also had high potential/low skills in those areas.Oh? I've done something about that length and got 2 skill ups. . . =/
Post by: Leatra on May 27, 2013, 08:57:43 am
Post by: Blaze on May 27, 2013, 10:31:31 am
Do the same thing while carrying so much cargo that you get reduced to 10 speed.Yeah; looks like he did a Vernis to Noyel run, so that would give quite a bit. Though I suspect it also had high potential/low skills in those areas.Oh? I've done something about that length and got 2 skill ups. . . =/
Is that change log for version 1.2 or 1.23?It's Elona+ 1.9, vanilla Elona ceased development long ago.
Is there any save file problems when upgrading from normal Elona to Elona+? I'm still playing x-mas version and I guess it's time for an upgrade but I don't want to start a new character.There shouldn't be.
Anyone who's unwilling to switch to Elona+; don't be.
Elona+ fixes a lot of problems vanilla had, makes the game a LOT less grindier (Though it's still pretty grindy), and adds a lot of new content and features. South Tyris is still mostly untranslated, but all of the Vanilla game and most of the new features are available in English. Getting to South Tyris requires beating the Vanilla game, so it's not like you're not going to go there immediately anyway.
Ah, don't update to Elona+ 1.20, go with 1.19. 1.20 added a new feature which is really, really, unbalanced. Monsters can use super attacks, but their gauge rises up far too quickly.
Post by: alway on May 27, 2013, 11:15:18 am
Post by: Markus on May 27, 2013, 04:09:16 pm
Post by: Blaze on May 27, 2013, 04:13:57 pm
Post by: Markus on May 27, 2013, 08:16:09 pm
Just sprites, music, and custom NPCs I think.How. . . disappointing. So no racial feats for debug races.
Also, is that Nyarko-San in your Avatar? How did I not notice?!
Post by: alway on May 29, 2013, 11:36:29 pm
So far I've managed to get not a single use out of mine aside from eating up my gp.
Post by: Tarran on May 30, 2013, 12:03:21 am
Post by: kilakan on May 30, 2013, 12:23:56 am
Post by: Tarran on May 30, 2013, 12:29:10 am
Post by: kilakan on May 30, 2013, 12:33:23 am
I don't think there is an "english" version of Elona+, unless something changed and nobody decided to mention it. You can certainly set Elona+ to english, but it will have untranslated sections at places.Oh you can set it to an 'english' version? Didn't know that, on a limited download connection so I didn't wanna go testing all the links that were written in japanese, thanks!
Post by: Alkhemia on May 30, 2013, 12:54:10 am
Black Angel
Little girl (trying to make her a Valkyrie or Witch)
Silver Eyed Witch (Was such a pain to get)
well + lot of putit in ranches to raise my charisma still trying to get a Quickling for speed
Edit:
Ah, don't update to Elona+ 1.20, go with 1.19. 1.20 added a new feature which is really, really, unbalanced. Monsters can use super attacks, but their gauge rises up far too quickly.That why I was getting one shot by low lvl monsters randomly when I was starting out I wonder what that flash they did was.
Post by: kilakan on May 30, 2013, 01:06:36 am
Post by: Alkhemia on May 30, 2013, 01:44:01 am
Post by: kilakan on May 30, 2013, 01:50:19 am
Post by: kcwong on May 30, 2013, 08:34:34 am
http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/so/2884780
I located it by googling "elonaplus 1.19", which leads me to this page (http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?Wiki%A4%D8%A4%CE%CD%D7%CB%BE).
About middle of the page, there's a link named "1.19" (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45610/1365853151/262).
Which contains the above link.
Post by: alway on May 30, 2013, 12:44:32 pm
Fun Fact #2: cluster bomb rocks can still split in the rain.
Spoiler: Palmia is about to explode (click to show/hide)
All because some dumb adventurer brought a cloak cursed with Attracts Monsters [####] into town. >_>
Spoiler: So beautiful (click to show/hide)
Post by: etgfrog on May 30, 2013, 01:04:12 pm
Fun Fact #1: bomb rocks and cluster bomb rocks can't explode in the rain.i'd recommend getting a safe distance away then letting the town blow up...collect loot afterwards...
Fun Fact #2: cluster bomb rocks can still split in the rain.Edit: They've now filled about 3/4 of that plaza, and are rapidly spilling down into the barracks to the south and the alleyway leading to the water pools to the north; to the west they've made it to the front of the casino.Spoiler: Palmia is about to explode (click to show/hide)
All because some dumb adventurer brought a cloak cursed with Attracts Monsters [####] into town. >_>
Post by: alway on May 30, 2013, 01:24:13 pm
Post by: Neonivek on May 30, 2013, 01:33:04 pm
Post by: alway on May 30, 2013, 01:42:10 pm
Post by: Leatra on May 30, 2013, 08:26:34 pm
Any tips for companions in Elona+?Get 2-3 silver bells and give them ranged weapons. They have 678 speed so they can attack 5-6 times after your every move. Their healing is incredible too. Just poison them and throw a level 3 or higher ball at them to catch them.
So far I've managed to get not a single use out of mine aside from eating up my gp.
BTW, for raising the house ranks just steal treasure machines from Palmia. They are difficult to steal and you might have to savescum a lot but that's how I managed to get to the 1st house rank. I guess it needs at least 10 machines to reach 1st from zero if you own a castle.
I think I'm still gonna wait for a while before switching to Elona+
Post by: Blaze on May 30, 2013, 08:54:28 pm
I learned to never carry around Caramels of Termination, Hungry sea lions can loot them (Despite me having over 12 different stacks of food).
Post by: Leatra on May 30, 2013, 10:02:23 pm
Post by: alway on May 30, 2013, 10:40:49 pm
I stock up on spells before the etherwind, then spend the entire first week of that month casting the crap out of everything on a sandbagged bear.
Post by: Sir Finkus on May 31, 2013, 12:28:58 am
Post by: Leatra on May 31, 2013, 12:32:51 am
I'm really loving how spells scale up as you level them. My magic dart is now level 84, and does 15d47 for a cost of 27 mana. It's great.15d47 you say? I wonder how many spellbooks you burned for that.
I stock up on spells before the etherwind, then spend the entire first week of that month casting the crap out of everything on a sandbagged bear.
I just noticed, your personal text sounds like the missing twin of mine: "Question everything! Edit all the posts!"
Post by: alway on May 31, 2013, 02:10:22 am
Not enough spellbooks, obviously. :PI'm really loving how spells scale up as you level them. My magic dart is now level 84, and does 15d47 for a cost of 27 mana. It's great.15d47 you say? I wonder how many spellbooks you burned for that.
I stock up on spells before the etherwind, then spend the entire first week of that month casting the crap out of everything on a sandbagged bear.
I just noticed, your personal text sounds like the missing twin of mine: "Question everything! Edit all the posts!"
But yeah, I typically make trips to the mage guild every month or so, where I've got plenty of the good stuff on reserve. Typically I spend a good 30k or so each trip, though mostly for the expensive stuff. I spend a lot more than that on the magic vendors in Palmia (my base of operations; I've got my house 1 tile north of the city, and my museum and farm right next to Yowynn) and Lumiest. GP stopped being an issue ages ago. I get 10k from rods from my farm every couple weeks (yay, level 54 gardening), 18k from income, and a bunch more from frequent level 15+ dungeon runs. Each of those dungeon runs gives around 20k or more, and are rather easy when your magic missile can one-shot all but rare mobs.
I've also been starting in on ice ball lately, which is now around level 36 or so. It now does 10d44 or thereabouts in a surround. Quite a handy room clearer for lower level dungeons. Friendly fire is an issue, as I got control magic rather late, but the little girl can typically survive about 4 times longer than the mobs anyway.
The other thing I've noticed is this spell grinding really inflates my level. Which isn't bad at all, since the game scales based on fame... but your MP bar scales based on level. I'm currently level 38, but there is no way in hell I could take on a level 38 dungeon, simply because my defense isn't good enough and my only mildly useful pet is mostly useful for dying, since it's around level 25 and melee oriented.
As for the text, it's due to being self-aware about my habit of not finishing my post until well after I posted it. :P
Post by: Markus on May 31, 2013, 07:37:00 am
I guess I'm the only one who breeds putits for more than just food.
But yeah, my companions are generally a mix of people and putits, depending on the circumstances.
Also, to whoever is playing in wine, it appears you're in japanese-language mode. Elona may not be reading the config file, you should have had the chance to specify japanese or english at the start of the game.
Go into the config file and set language to the correct value-the comments on the right should specify what that value is.
Post by: kcwong on May 31, 2013, 07:38:48 am
I'm attempting to play this again through wine, but the fonts look like absolute ass. Anyone know how to fix this? I can barely read this shit at all. (http://i.imgur.com/eAEdCo9.jpg)
The game, when first loaded, should ask you which language you want (Japanese/English).
Anyway edit config.txt:
language. "1" 0=Japanese 1=English -1=ask
Post by: Leatra on May 31, 2013, 01:38:29 pm
Post by: Patchy on May 31, 2013, 02:51:56 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on May 31, 2013, 02:54:58 pm
Spellcasting seems to tremendously increase the exp. I usually get some cursed gear that decreases the exp and I wear them whenever I get close to levelling up. Potions of descent lower your level by one but it's incredibly rare. I managed to find a potion of descent only once and it was in a magic shop. People say zombies drop them and I started running a zombie ranch because of that but none of the zombies I killed dropped any potions.
The drop rate for Potions of Descent from Zombies is not high enough to make Zombie Ranches viable. I had 10 Zombie Ranches running at the same time, and got 1 Potion of Descent from them.
I literally got more Potions of Descent from low level magic shops than from Zombie Ranches.
Post by: Neonivek on May 31, 2013, 03:02:17 pm
Link to Elona Plus 1.19:
http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/so/2884780
I located it by googling "elonaplus 1.19", which leads me to this page (http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?Wiki%A4%D8%A4%CE%CD%D7%CB%BE).
About middle of the page, there's a link named "1.19" (http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/bbs/read.cgi/game/45610/1365853151/262).
Which contains the above link.
Dear goodness I feel absolutely terrible for even clicking that link. I really don't appreciate their porntastic adds.
Post by: etgfrog on May 31, 2013, 03:09:53 pm
Post by: Sir Finkus on May 31, 2013, 04:14:36 pm
The Japanese isn't the problem, it's the terrible font rendering I'm having trouble with.I'm attempting to play this again through wine, but the fonts look like absolute ass. Anyone know how to fix this? I can barely read this shit at all. (http://i.imgur.com/eAEdCo9.jpg)
The game, when first loaded, should ask you which language you want (Japanese/English).
Anyway edit config.txt:
language. "1" 0=Japanese 1=English -1=ask
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 31, 2013, 04:19:55 pm
Post by: Tarran on May 31, 2013, 04:23:58 pm
Post by: Sir Finkus on May 31, 2013, 04:48:25 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 31, 2013, 04:50:26 pm
Post by: Robsoie on May 31, 2013, 05:50:46 pm
In case someone is interested by this version, i uploaded it on zippyshare (i like it due to no waiting queue) :
http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/41573358/file.html
Done without having an account, so i don't know if there's a time limitation but on other host it's usually a month.
Post by: alway on May 31, 2013, 07:14:37 pm
Spellcasting seems to tremendously increase the exp. I usually get some cursed gear that decreases the exp and I wear them whenever I get close to levelling up. Potions of descent lower your level by one but it's incredibly rare. I managed to find a potion of descent only once and it was in a magic shop. People say zombies drop them and I started running a zombie ranch because of that but none of the zombies I killed dropped any potions.Er, Why? (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Experience#Player_Character_Levels)
So far as I can tell, there aren't really any downsides to being high level. The downsides come with high fame, not high level.
Post by: Markus on May 31, 2013, 07:52:51 pm
Post by: kilakan on May 31, 2013, 07:53:55 pm
Post by: etgfrog on May 31, 2013, 08:42:58 pm
Post by: alway on May 31, 2013, 08:50:38 pm
As for fame, you also get it from things like completing dungeons and fighting in the arena.
Edit: yeah, I suppose taxes could be an issue in vanilla, what with the pittance you get in terms of money... E+ is sooo much better in that aspect
Post by: Robsoie on May 31, 2013, 09:06:44 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona+ (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona+)
(edit fixed the link)
Post by: Markus on May 31, 2013, 09:27:28 pm
Some parts of the wiki must be in disrepair. I certainly saw a part of the wiki which claimed a certain race's racial feet (Yerles, I think?) was useless because "Skill points are not yet implemented."
Post by: Seriyu on May 31, 2013, 09:29:00 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on May 31, 2013, 09:31:24 pm
summary of what is different in Elona+ in case you're confused :http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona%2B
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona+
use that
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 31, 2013, 09:34:48 pm
Post by: Patchy on May 31, 2013, 09:38:05 pm
Post by: Blaze on May 31, 2013, 09:49:48 pm
Post by: Patchy on May 31, 2013, 10:11:40 pm
Post by: alway on June 01, 2013, 01:10:26 am
As a side note, always deck your character out with an Eastern Bed as early as you find one. They weigh 2s, and have a bed quality higher than you find in any city, with the added benefit of being able to set it up anywhere, including a dungeon or just random outdoors area. And with the +20% potential per sleep to your spells, it's a real necessity for any spellcasters.
Post by: Tarran on June 01, 2013, 01:19:35 am
Post by: etgfrog on June 01, 2013, 05:07:21 am
Eastern Beds are even better than the king's bed in Palmia?if its blessed and has a good modifier on it...
Post by: Markus on June 01, 2013, 06:32:36 am
Also, I finally realized what I was doing wrong in trying to find a gene machine.
I just figured out where port kapul was. I travel the world (read:Buy cargoes of travelers food and run around in oblique circles.) but never saw that dinky little city there, even though I frequent Derphy and Palmia.
Anyway, now I can begin making my putits even more dangerous. . . Hey, can you use gene engineering on yourself?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 01, 2013, 08:27:44 am
Post by: Patchy on June 01, 2013, 08:59:48 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 01, 2013, 09:03:16 am
Post by: alway on June 01, 2013, 11:33:02 am
Which is way better than anything else in its weight class without advanced stuff like flying scrolls. Happy bed is ideal, of course, but it's not something you're likely to come across early on. The next lightest w/o any weight-altering shenanigans is a full 14s heavier.
As for cooking, from what I saw it's the type which affects the quality. I'm not sure if blessed does anything or not. If possible, go for a barbecue, as those are the highest quality and only weigh 8.2s before any material modifiers. Scrolls of changing materials can knock that down a good deal more if you have enough to cycle through a few heavier ones.
Post by: Markus on June 01, 2013, 01:14:45 pm
Barbecue sets far outstrip anything else in cooking, but I'm such a miser when it comes to stone's weight that I prefer the cooking tool. I mostly have it blessed as a guess. I think it helped at one point, at any rate.
Post by: alway on June 01, 2013, 01:32:55 pm
Also, I recommend keeping your weight just slightly into the "Burdened" category and have Weight Lifting. You get a speed penalty, but also constantly train weight lifting (and as a result strength). Then when you really need speed, you have plenty of extra weight capacity for what you really need.
Another couple fun facts about food:
Eating a 'raw' weapon or armor with +stats will give you a pretty decent boost in those stats. Eating a 'raw' weapon or armor with 'maintains' stats will give you a buff increasing that stat's potential by a decent amount for a couple thousand ticks. That is to say: that pile of high-stat-boosting miracle quality items you've got laying in a pile in your house? Inferior material that shit and eat it. Though also note the same goes for negatives; they will degrade your stats.
Post by: Markus on June 01, 2013, 05:31:51 pm
They do have a material which can be changed; though they may start out with some default no-name material with modifiers of 1. According to the cooking page on the wiki, material and quality modifiers don't change how good they are, though it says nothing about blessed. So get yourself a dawncloth barbecue. :PHm. . . Elona holds more surprises every minute-I have found maybe one Spirit cloth item in all my playtime.
Also, I recommend keeping your weight just slightly into the "Burdened" category and have Weight Lifting. You get a speed penalty, but also constantly train weight lifting (and as a result strength). Then when you really need speed, you have plenty of extra weight capacity for what you really need.
Another couple fun facts about food:
Eating a 'raw' weapon or armor with +stats will give you a pretty decent boost in those stats. Eating a 'raw' weapon or armor with 'maintains' stats will give you a buff increasing that stat's potential by a decent amount for a couple thousand ticks. That is to say: that pile of high-stat-boosting miracle quality items you've got laying in a pile in your house? Inferior material that shit and eat it. Though also note the same goes for negatives; they will degrade your stats.
Thankfully I knew that stuff at the bottom. As for weight, it's almost impossible for me to not be at least Burdened! all the time even after I drop off all my stuff at home-All these delicious monster balls weigh a ton! (10 stones per full one)
Post by: Ogdibus on June 01, 2013, 05:39:02 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 01, 2013, 05:47:29 pm
Has Elona+ 1.9 removed the treasure maps ?
I have made several character in Elona (vanilla) and in my first 10 levels i always found a few treasure maps.
The wiki entry for the treasure maps does not mention anything being different in Elona+ , so is it just me being particularly unlucky with the treasure map spawn chances on that specific character, or has something really changed regarding them in Elona+ ?
Post by: Blaze on June 01, 2013, 05:58:05 pm
I'm having a really hard time picking a religion for an Yerles pianist. .O.
I'd suggest either Yacatect, Opatos, or Kumiromi.
Yacatect is a god useful for pretty much anything. The bonuses to traveling and sense quality will greatly boost your skills in the long run. She has one of the best god gems (Who can say no to more platinum?). The goose pet is slightly bugged though, and doesn't drop platinum 100% when it eats. Her passive makes monster part drops more common, somewhat useful for a player-run shop. Rings/amulets are fairly common so sacrifices won't be too much of an issue.
Opatos gives bonuses to strength and weight lifting (Which is, as you'd expect, really useful for a pianist). The Golden Knight is an all around solid pet requiring little maintenance. Plus he's easy to please (Junk stones/Ore pieces can be found practically anywhere.). The boost to mining skill can be used to grind constitution for greater stamina.
Kumiromi's passive in E+ increases stamina recovery; which is used whenever you perform. Gardening is a worthwhile endeavor for a player who won't be fighting much. Edible wild plants/leaves can be found in the wilderness so sacrifices are not an issue.
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Has Elona+ 1.9 removed the treasure maps ?I've gotten maps from dreams.
Post by: Seriyu on June 01, 2013, 06:17:21 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 01, 2013, 06:27:51 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 01, 2013, 06:30:17 pm
They do have a lot of value though, so you could probably trade them off to adventurers. Just don't drop them, that's such a waste.
Post by: Robsoie on June 01, 2013, 06:34:45 pm
And indeed, often great for trading.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 01, 2013, 06:48:48 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 01, 2013, 07:11:05 pm
QuoteHas Elona+ 1.9 removed the treasure maps ?I've gotten maps from dreams.
Yeah I think they're less common in Elona+. I actually like it because it means I don't have to go on a cross country trip every thirty minutes or so.For reference, I've found 7 or so treasure maps and I'm level 24.
I'm planning to try this game out. Is there anything in particular I should know about it or certain mods that make it better(like cataclysm's DDA)?Elona+ makes the game better, if you don't mind some untranslated or undocumented stuff every once and a while.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 01, 2013, 07:17:41 pm
Edit: Also, where does one get elona+?
Edit2: I found a download link on the japanese wiki. Anything else I should hunt down and download for it?
Post by: joemoben on June 01, 2013, 07:34:04 pm
Post by: alway on June 01, 2013, 07:47:02 pm
I can also confirm they appear in dungeons. They're rare, I've only found like 2 this way, but IIRC they started showing up around level 20+ dungeons on occasion.QuoteHas Elona+ 1.9 removed the treasure maps ?I've gotten maps from dreams.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 01, 2013, 08:23:15 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 01, 2013, 08:50:25 pm
Wizards are very, very, very, very...
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...very, very weak at the beginning of the game.
Hit "v" and cast magic at them.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 01, 2013, 08:59:06 pm
I'll be trying another class.
Edit: Also, for some reason the death text I chose didn't appear in the death message in the chat, it only showed "what happened?". How do I make my message show up instead?
Post by: alexwazer on June 01, 2013, 08:59:48 pm
Hit "v" and cast magic at them.
Alternatively, reroll to anything else and learn magic later. Just kidding, Candy Failure is a nickname that should be feared throughout the world (North Tyris at least)
Elona+ at least made Wizards playable. Not as awesome as a snail tourist, but then again, nothing is.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 01, 2013, 09:13:13 pm
I have the <Claymore> atm I always try to grab it.
Post by: alway on June 01, 2013, 09:22:46 pm
I've been pumping investment into 3 magic shops; 1 in Palmia and 2 in Lumiest. Buying every potion of potential I see, and getting more from dungeons. When I get 3 (probably gonna bump it up to 4 soon due to scarcity of water), I grab a single bottle of water and get all of em in the stack blessed for consumption.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 01, 2013, 09:39:27 pm
But yeah, blessed potential = best. Capitalize on it with good food and whoosh, stats everywhere.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 01, 2013, 10:50:08 pm
Post by: alway on June 01, 2013, 10:53:17 pm
Secondly, that's why you should equip your pets with wings or some other form of levitation. Because wells are deadly. They will fall in, and they will die. And they will do so much more often than is logically possible. Some form of levitation will stop this from happening entirely, though that's far from the only bad thing well can do. Though you can also get wishes from them, so it sorta evens out a bit.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 01, 2013, 11:00:45 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 01, 2013, 11:04:44 pm
Edit: I pressed 'space' while standing on the bed and after using the bed it said i fell asleep, and the game seems to be frozen in auto-turn. Is that normal? A bug/crash? Is there any way to fix this?
Edit2: Derp! Pressing enter fixed it. Also, while sleeping I got a mutation which lets me eat human flesh... why did I get this and is it permanent?
Post by: Blaze on June 01, 2013, 11:22:16 pm
While sleeping, you can have certain dreams, both good and bad. The "monster" dream gives you a random mutation. The "Eating human flesh" mutation lets you eat human corpses without going insane. It's a good thing really.
You can get rid of mutations by drinking potions of cure mutation. Do not confuse this with potions of cure corruption.
Post by: alway on June 01, 2013, 11:30:18 pm
Also, bed quality affects what events you get in your sleep. The wiki has more details there. In general, you get a bunch of good or bad things, but also spell potential. A 20% increase to potential in all spells for each sleep you do. As a result, if you play a wizard, you really want to make sure you sleep as often as possible, as it will make your spell levels increase at a much, much higher rate, resulting in higher damage/stronger effects and slightly less spell stock usage. The level for each spell is on the left of the casting success chance, with the potential for that spell in parenthesis on the right of said casting success chance.
Also keep in mind that most of your attributes, mutations, ect, are what I would consider 'semi-permanent.' Attributes can decrease, mutations can vanish, but typically such occurrences are relatively rare or require specific events/items, and so you can assume they will change over time, but not in a particularly timely manner.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 01, 2013, 11:50:20 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 01, 2013, 11:52:05 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 01, 2013, 11:54:59 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 01, 2013, 11:59:12 pm
Also at the start you have ether disease no matter what so after some time your going to start get the mutations from it not sure how many day it will take.As an Elea and avoiding etherwind as much as possible, I start getting symptoms in about the 5th month of the second year... so about 8 months, since you start near the middle of the 8th month. Since Elea get slower ether than other races, I'm guessing it'd be less. Probably 5 or 6 months.
Post by: alway on June 02, 2013, 12:33:16 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 02:05:42 am
Post by: somebody on June 02, 2013, 02:10:50 am
What's the yellow gauge under enemies' healthbar? Stamina?It's their super-bar, when it fills up they perform a special attack.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2013, 02:28:57 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 03:23:13 am
Sorry for all the noob questions.
Edit: "you can absolutely beat her with your eyes closed" *miss* get shot twice, die. :P
Post by: kcwong on June 02, 2013, 03:35:42 am
Is there a way to make profit from loot? So far things I find are only worth 1gp and identifying them costs way more than what I can then sell them for. Also, got any good starter tips for a melee character? I keep getting wrecked by the monsters' super move.
Sorry for all the noob questions.
Edit: "you can absolutely beat her with your eyes closed" *miss* get shot twice, die. :P
Paying the town wizard to identify an item will reveal all properties of that specific instance, and also allow you to recognize all items of the same base item.
e.g. ID'ing a gold potion, the result is a blessed potion of hero.
All future potion of hero will be shown to you as potions of hero, but you won't know the blessed/cursed (BUC) status of them.
Note that two different base items can share the same appearance. e.g. both potion of hero and potion of restore spirit can be gold potion. You ID to learn the base item, not the appearance.
Body parts, once the base item is known, will sell for a lot more than 1 gp.
Save up some platinum coins and learn a skill called Sense Quality; it will allow you to slowly and passively identify items you are carrying. Using this skill (which is automatic) also trains your stats. Keep one or two light unidentified item with you at all times!
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If you haven't done so already, I also recommend going to Palmia and do all those Party! quests. You are NOT there to perform; you are there to kill beggars!
Beggars carry with them some money (from a few to close to 100), and also a small chance of an artifact:
A dirty pendant (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Begger%27s_Pendant).
It is always the first artifact I go for, because without it, saving up too much money is risky, and kitty banks can be very hard to find.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2013, 03:43:46 am
Is there a way to make profit from loot? So far things I find are only worth 1gp and identifying them costs way more than what I can then sell them for. Also, got any good starter tips for a melee character? I keep getting wrecked by the monsters' super move.The super move is a very recent addition to Elona+ (I.E, the latest version). So it very likely is unbalanced.
Sorry for all the noob questions.
Edit: "you can absolutely beat her with your eyes closed" *miss* get shot twice, die. :P
Also, Noob is not the same as Newb. I... don't think you're a noob as you appear to be trying to get better.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 05:00:34 am
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2013, 05:03:16 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 02, 2013, 05:13:18 am
Post by: Ochita on June 02, 2013, 05:49:43 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 02, 2013, 09:15:16 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 09:31:12 am
Post by: Markus on June 02, 2013, 11:08:04 am
Ah, so that was you on the online deathlog.Wait a sec, are all deaths in the death log other people? Or do you have to activate the online death log?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 02, 2013, 11:10:37 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 02, 2013, 11:47:34 am
I went and got elona+ 1.20 and dont know if its rebalanced, but just be a bit careful with the melee char. I made a farmer and as long as i leave the goblins to my little girl theres no problem and now I have leveled up a bit and gained more health.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2013, 02:14:34 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 02, 2013, 05:56:47 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 02, 2013, 06:01:20 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 02, 2013, 06:26:10 pm
Mining, cooking, and gardening is about it.
Post by: Robsoie on June 02, 2013, 06:36:23 pm
Fountains can spawn in the puppy cave too, so getting in/out to regenerate the 1st floor until you find one is possible too.
Post by: alway on June 02, 2013, 07:04:03 pm
That said, I wouldn't go back to Vernis any time soon. :P
Only exception to this rule is the special 'holy well' in Noyel, which is coded differently and so destroying it won't change how many charges it has left [it's a global variable shared by all holy wells, rather than attached to each individual one; even wiz-mode duplicates shared the same charge pool from what I read]
Post by: Ogdibus on June 02, 2013, 07:35:35 pm
Post by: Markus on June 02, 2013, 09:02:50 pm
"Never done this before and I'm using a Wizard mode Character - best test it out before I use someone normal and lose everything, eh?"
First two floors are normal. Dead stuff, corpses, gathering spots, about 10 pieces of equips just from drops. . .
Floor 3, and I feel like I walked into the world map, because it has basically the same setup as a rogue boss ambush, except no rogue boss and they're elea instead of rogue Warriors/Wizards/Marksmen. And all female, apparently. Also two nurses plus a mummy. I catch an Elea Soldier, and Nurse in monster balls.
Next floor looks nor-THAT'S WHAT, 15 ZOMBIES RIGHT OFF SCREEN? WTFBBQFIREBREATHISNTKILLINGTHEMWHATDOIDO! . . . Gun them all down, of course. While evading giants who are running at the speed of dark, too. Oh, and a cupid of love starts bothering me again, so I catch it. That means I have an Elea Soldier, Elea Wizard, Nurse, Cupid of Love, and military putit all in monster balls. All female. . . -_-'
Final floor. Okay, a. . . LEVEL 16! RED WASP! WITH. . . no menacing name. WTF. He doesn't even insult me like usual! Well, one shot this giant and. . . . . .
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There are more Putits than there are tiles that my character can even see at once. . .
Must. Have. ALL THE PUTITS.
*Unleash all the rods of domination*
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
*nothing happens*
HOLD ON A MINUTE!
*Checks charisma*
15
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
/blogfaqs Yes, I know this isn't gamefaqs.
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 02, 2013, 09:12:55 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 09:15:25 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 02, 2013, 09:17:08 pm
Can't you just get a never ending army by throwing a few in ranches you can raise your charisma that way as well from the tasty jerky
but anyway looking over the bestiary in Elona+ they have a lot of new God Inside (w/e)
Devastate Luluwy/Insane Kumiromi/Buildup Opatos/Deus ex manina/Blessed Jure/Hyper Yacatect
Also if anyone get a Insane book let me know what you think of the pets you get out of it, it seems to be bugged in the english mode of the mod.
alright, since the latest version renders melee unplayable, which version would you suggest i grab?1.19 of elona +
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 02, 2013, 09:19:45 pm
alright, since the latest version renders melee unplayable, which version would you suggest i grab?1.19. It still has the super attacks, but they're less common. Go back a few pages and you'll find the link. Beware, the axfc website has terrible ads and will scar your soul. I distinctly remember being dumb about that. And it's not that unplayable.... okay, maybe a little.
Also if anyone get a Insane book let me know what you think of the pets you get out of it, it seems to be bugged in the english mode of the mod.Apparently you gotta wish for something so they're useless unless you have nothing left to wish for. None of them sound very good except the M girl or something. But that's after a quick look at the wiki pages, so ignore me if you like.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 09:23:19 pm
"And it's not that unplayable.... okay, maybe a little."
a single of the tutorial putits taking off 90% of your hp in one super attack(which they get often) is "just a little"? :P
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2013, 09:32:29 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 02, 2013, 09:50:41 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 02, 2013, 09:54:36 pm
I think the main problem is not knowing how to use the super attacks yourself, I suspect its a key of some sort but left untranslated and the player tends to fill the special bar pretty fast.http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona%2B_special_action_learning#Special_actions_invoked_by_weapon_skill
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As of 1.20, the conditions to activate these have greatly changed. There is now a gauge below your HP bar. If the gauge reaches 100%, you will automatically trigger your special skill on your next attack.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 02, 2013, 10:07:02 pm
Where do I grab version 1.9? 1.20-1.23 was on the japanese wiki frontpage, but i can't seem to find where to get 1.9. Also, what would I be missing out on?I went back and got it just for you! (http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/so/2884780) :P
"And it's not that unplayable.... okay, maybe a little."
a single of the tutorial putits taking off 90% of your hp in one super attack(which they get often) is "just a little"? :P
Also that didn't happen to me. I mean, I got hit but not 90% in one hit. So I guess I didn't grow the same hatred for it as everyone else. Also I actually read the spellbooks of magic dart before them spawning so I had actual damage.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 10:19:40 pm
Where do I grab version 1.9? 1.20-1.23 was on the japanese wiki frontpage, but i can't seem to find where to get 1.9. Also, what would I be missing out on?I went back and got it just for you! (http://www1.axfc.net/uploader/so/2884780) :P
"And it's not that unplayable.... okay, maybe a little."
a single of the tutorial putits taking off 90% of your hp in one super attack(which they get often) is "just a little"? :P
Also that didn't happen to me. I mean, I got hit but not 90% in one hit. So I guess I didn't grow the same hatred for it as everyone else. Also I actually read the spellbooks of magic dart before them spawning so I had actual damage.
Thanks. I'm fine with a challenge, so if anyone has tips for surviving in melee range against things I don't 1-shot, let me know.
The main problem i have with it is that most of my health vanishes the instant a yellow bar fills up in melee, and they fill up fast. The fact that there are multiple enemies at once and I tend to be too slow to get away from the nastier one as a melee character(burden from heavy equipment for protection), means that I'll usually get wrecked whenever I can't kill everything in range in the next 2-5 turns.
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2013, 10:34:47 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 10:38:56 pm
If you need more speed, grab glass equipment. Those boost speed. Or perhaps worship Lulwy, she gives speed if she favors you.
I haven't figured out how to get a religion yet, and from what I've been seeing with my gunner, glass equipment is all about DV, it usually has little or no PV, which means those special moves will hit hard(since it seems they can't miss so far).
Post by: Tarran on June 02, 2013, 10:46:17 pm
I haven't figured out how to get a religion yet,Go to here. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Truce_Ground)
glass equipment is all about DV, it usually has little or no PV, which means those special moves will hit hard(since it seems they can't miss so far).If your protective armor can't take enough of the super attacks to save you, then is the protection worth more than the ability to get away when things are about to go bad?
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2013, 11:05:18 pm
I haven't figured out how to get a religion yet,Go to here. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Truce_Ground)glass equipment is all about DV, it usually has little or no PV, which means those special moves will hit hard(since it seems they can't miss so far).If your protective armor can't take enough of the super attacks to save you, then is the protection worth more than the ability to get away when things are about to go bad?
Thanks for the info on religion. Touche on the glass equipment. I'm giving melee another try with a goblin predator. be ready for those death messages from Ridiculous Enmity Grimkin :P
Edit: :S just noticed this combination made me start with no equipment whatsoever... going to be FUN.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 03, 2013, 12:07:21 am
You just got killed by a hungry demon right?I haven't figured out how to get a religion yet,Go to here. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Truce_Ground)glass equipment is all about DV, it usually has little or no PV, which means those special moves will hit hard(since it seems they can't miss so far).If your protective armor can't take enough of the super attacks to save you, then is the protection worth more than the ability to get away when things are about to go bad?
Thanks for the info on religion. Touche on the glass equipment. I'm giving melee another try with a goblin predator. be ready for those death messages from Ridiculous Enmity Grimkin :P
Edit: :S just noticed this combination made me start with no equipment whatsoever... going to be FUN.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 12:24:42 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 03, 2013, 12:34:22 am
Unarmed is the mightiest weapon in the end.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 12:38:03 am
Post by: etgfrog on June 03, 2013, 12:41:05 am
I just found a deed of heirship. read it in my house, was told i could claim 3 items, went to the hair trunk, and it was empty. Does it only work if my character came from a gene?yes, its only useful for selling for money or for a gene character.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 03, 2013, 12:49:20 am
What are the Crystal for btw are they just vendor trash? I have like 20 of them and can't find the info on the wiki about them.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 03, 2013, 01:10:46 am
e: more info on summoning crystals (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning_crystal)
Post by: Alkhemia on June 03, 2013, 03:12:31 am
Summoning/blue crystals are used in moongates to save any custom NPCs you find in there. Black crystals are just furniture.I meant the earth/mana/sun ones
e: more info on summoning crystals (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning_crystal)
Post by: Niveras on June 03, 2013, 05:16:18 am
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On an unrelated note, someone mentioned a while back a kind-of hax to get money involving destroying kitty banks you find through moongates. He mentioned specifically page 5-L, but when I visited that one, I encountered things. Terrible things. I think whoever owned it started armageddon before saving it. Is that the same one that was mentioned, or is it that (and this seems the more likely explanation) trying to find the same house based on position in the list isn't the best way to do it? I figure positions may change under certain conditions - such as if new houses are added to the list, or with changes in Elona version, or perhaps the list is populated randomly based on seed (though from what I've observed with multiple trips into moongates, the list seems consistent with a given character).
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 05:24:01 am
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 03, 2013, 06:19:46 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 06:41:49 am
I officially have the best name/title.
Better than... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gbra-rKXzk4 ?
Post by: kcwong on June 03, 2013, 07:36:24 am
Summoning/blue crystals are used in moongates to save any custom NPCs you find in there. Black crystals are just furniture.I meant the earth/mana/sun ones
e: more info on summoning crystals (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning_crystal)
- Those often come up in "I want" and "Birthday" quests... so keeping some on you at all times will help you get more platinum coins.
- You can give (interact, give) them and junk stones to your pets. You won't be able to take it back. Your pets will sell those when in town (for far more gold than you), and use those gold to train their skill potentials.
- The god Opatos takes them as an offer. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Opatos_of_Earth)
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 03, 2013, 07:49:26 am
Jure takes them too.Summoning/blue crystals are used in moongates to save any custom NPCs you find in there. Black crystals are just furniture.I meant the earth/mana/sun ones
e: more info on summoning crystals (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning_crystal)
- Those often come up in "I want" and "Birthday" quests... so keeping some on you at all times will help you get more platinum coins.
- You can give (interact, give) them and junk stones to your pets. You won't be able to take it back. Your pets will sell those when in town (for far more gold than you), and use those gold to train their skill potentials.
- The god Opatos takes them as an offer. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Opatos_of_Earth)
Also, I'm sorry Niveras. The list does change. The new hot map is 2p... well, it was yesterday. It has the word BLUE among the characters.
Anyone have a tip for first skill to buy with 15pp?Negotiation or Traveling.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 08:26:40 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 03, 2013, 08:29:24 am
Also faithwise I believe it's 30 offerings per reward tier but I'm probably wrong.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 08:56:38 am
Are you wearing any cursed equips and/or have the teleportation ether disease? That sounds like it.
Also faithwise I believe it's 30 offerings per reward tier but I'm probably wrong.
One of my rings for cursed during a dream... I thought it wouldn't be a big deal... guess I'll have it uncursed. What happens if I sleep with no equipment at all and I get a curse dream? Is there any downside to taking off your gear and re-equipping it when you wake up?
Post by: Ivefan on June 03, 2013, 09:13:06 am
Is there any downside to taking off your gear and re-equipping it when you wake up?Besides being a major pain in the ass? no. Get the feat that protects you from them, forgot the name though
Post by: joemoben on June 03, 2013, 09:21:38 am
That would be exorcist.Is there any downside to taking off your gear and re-equipping it when you wake up?Besides being a major pain in the ass? no. Get the feat that protects you from them, forgot the name though
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 09:38:59 am
Post by: Ochita on June 03, 2013, 09:54:13 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 03, 2013, 10:03:48 am
Post by: kcwong on June 03, 2013, 10:36:14 am
Oh yeah. I haven't played for some time, but I am finding a lot fewer ancient books now. Anyone got any tips on where to look for them?
I started a new gunner in 1.19, and I'm swimming in them... this character hasn't even started using spells yet, so I just sold them for gold.
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 11:41:00 am
In E+ 1.19, it only seems to mostly protect you from them. I have been, on occasion, getting cursed whisperings which still get through. But only after I drank enough evolution potions to get basically all the positive mutations. I suspect the feat protects you entirely from it going into negative mutations, but only partially protects very positive ones from moving towards neutral. Something like 1 in 5 seem to end up moving a positive mutation towards neutral.That would be exorcist.Is there any downside to taking off your gear and re-equipping it when you wake up?Besides being a major pain in the ass? no. Get the feat that protects you from them, forgot the name though
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 03, 2013, 11:48:10 am
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 03:16:31 pm
Post by: Neonivek on June 03, 2013, 03:17:32 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 03, 2013, 03:32:58 pm
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 03:35:47 pm
That is why taking the prayer to remove cursed whispering dreams is a requirement.That's always the first feat I take. And that it mutates away specifically the new mutations I acquire suggests it's a separate game mechanic involving mutation count.
As for mutation protection, good point. Guess I'll starting carrying a fairy-hat nightcap :P
Post by: Robsoie on June 03, 2013, 05:47:16 pm
Her given pet special ability (eat 1 food on dungeon -> give 1 platinium coin) seems to be bugged as it worked only once (in fact the 1st time it ate something) when i got it +/- at level 8 and now i just reached level 20 and since all that time i was eating a lot and never gave anything anymore...
But at least it has as much item slot as a human for some reasons, so it can become a good melee fighter if well equipped.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 03, 2013, 06:24:14 pm
If you intend to have a museum in Elona+ (at least in 1.19) , get Yacatect of Wealth , the passive ability given increase a lot the chance of a monster leaving its card and figurine behind, and that's actually working great as i accumulated a lot of them (thanks for the additional storage that the bandits and putit dungeons are in Vernis).From the wiki
Her given pet special ability (eat 1 food on dungeon -> give 1 platinium coin) seems to be bugged as it worked only once (in fact the 1st time it ate something) when i got it +/- at level 8 and now i just reached level 20 and since all that time i was eating a lot and never gave anything anymore...
But at least it has as much item slot as a human for some reasons, so it can become a good melee fighter if well equipped.
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The goose is pretty buggy - your best bet to get your platinum is to feed it a corpse immediately after you wake up.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 03, 2013, 06:25:39 pm
Kinda weird how you can have a black cat/goose throw grenades and stuff at people, but I'm not complaining.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 03, 2013, 06:34:12 pm
The reason the goose has all human slots is because it's not a goose at all, it's actually a member of the Servant race like the other god pets. This means it gets all the normal slots, like the defender, cute fairy, black cat, etc.(http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120807205343/elona/images/0/0b/533-Goose%28GodHeart%29.png) Golden Goose
Kinda weird how you can have a black cat/goose throw grenades and stuff at people, but I'm not complaining.
(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120807205813/elona/images/7/7f/534-BlackCatFemale%28GodHeart%29.png) Black Catsister
Post by: Tarran on June 03, 2013, 06:41:51 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 03, 2013, 07:00:08 pm
Those two are the evolutions, not the base pets.well yeah I was going to mess around with evolution in wizard mode but I found out you can't wish for them even in wizard mode so now i'm just save editing to check them out
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:SiamJai/Making_hearts_for_evolution
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 08:03:31 pm
Went in with 17 chips, came out with 3 artifacts, 3 potions of potential, 10 potions of cure corruption, 7 scrolls of faith, 3 business cards, and various assorted equipment. 8)
Even had one round that went to 22 wins.
Post by: Ogdibus on June 03, 2013, 08:08:56 pm
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 08:15:44 pm
Now to prepare food and spell stocks for my quarterly Etherwind Festival! :D
A full week of Fun festivities including:
- Overcasting until your eyes bleed and not even Cure of Eris can stop them!
- Casting powerful AOE spells on your friends until their eyes bleed! (builds character, dontcha know)
- Beating the crap out of an immortal sandbagged bear, summoned for spell training convenience!
- Large stores of food to prevent starvation while allowing for a full week of festivities!
I am the real reason everyone hides in shelters during the etherwind.
And with my magic arrow at level 99, it seems this Etherwind Festival will be when it hits 100. Though judging by damage increase with levels, Ice Ball will surpass its damage at a lower level than magic arrow. Huh. Anywho; level 99 magic arrow does 17d55 @ 31 mana cost for those interested. Level 43 Ice Ball does 13d51 @ 41 mana cost in a surround. So yeah.
Post by: Lukewarm on June 03, 2013, 08:26:52 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 03, 2013, 08:29:22 pm
Does harvesting from Sampling spots give casino chips again? I never used to be able to find them, but I wasn't playing on plus.I think casino chips come from "generic" spots: The rune, the camp leftovers, and the Scrap Wood spots.
I don't think they ever come from Pool, Ore, or Vegetation spots. At least from my glances while gathering stuff. I don't exactly examine every single bit I get.
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 08:40:21 pm
This seems...oddly amusing. I recall looking at this a few times, but never paying too much attention. Where do you suppose I begin?Yep, oddly amusing is indeed the correct term.
First, start by getting Elona+. Depending on where you get it, you may want having adblock+ on; others have been reporting some of the download sites having sketchy ads. And by sketchy I mean porn. Version 1.19 is what I'm using; 1.20 is out there, but apparently has all sorts of issues due to some new 'features' like mobs that will insta-gib noobs despite not being supposed to. There's some 1.19 links a few pages back, and probably some 1.20 links too.
Secondly, this guide: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Beginner%27s_Guide
Third, use that wiki the guide is on. It's a bit out of date, particularly in regards to E+, but is still probably the single best source to get on-demand info about any given game system.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 08:52:24 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 03, 2013, 09:33:44 pm
Been playing E+ myself; but they do come from some sort of gather spot; dunno which ones in particular. I typically just spam enter and pay attention to what I got a few days/months/years/never later. Judging by the number of dungeons I've done recently I've been getting around the order of 2-5 per dungeon.Holy crap that a lot of dmg I only do 3d14+18 with my <Claymore> have you messed with act 2 and 3 yet then?
Now to prepare food and spell stocks for my quarterly Etherwind Festival! :D
A full week of Fun festivities including:
- Overcasting until your eyes bleed and not even Cure of Eris can stop them!
- Casting powerful AOE spells on your friends until their eyes bleed! (builds character, dontcha know)
- Beating the crap out of an immortal sandbagged bear, summoned for spell training convenience!
- Large stores of food to prevent starvation while allowing for a full week of festivities!
I am the real reason everyone hides in shelters during the etherwind.
And with my magic arrow at level 99, it seems this Etherwind Festival will be when it hits 100. Though judging by damage increase with levels, Ice Ball will surpass its damage at a lower level than magic arrow. Huh. Anywho; level 99 magic arrow does 17d55 @ 31 mana cost for those interested. Level 43 Ice Ball does 13d51 @ 41 mana cost in a surround. So yeah.
Post by: Patchy on June 03, 2013, 09:44:36 pm
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 10:21:25 pm
I'm also in pretty bad need of better equipment all around, for both me and the pets, as well as needing to train some of my utility spells. 17d55 is a nice sum of damage, but when enemies have as much PV and resists as they do? It hardly puts a dent in the strong ones. And I was dumb and didn't keep up my mist of frailty, slow, speed, ect. So I will 1 shot most things with it, up until they get significant defensive bonuses, at which point there's a pretty sharp dropoff. And in many situations, even 1-shotting isn't enough; I really need to get Ice Ball and my other AOE spells up for that. As well as Control Magic, which currently only has about a 50% shot of protecting my companions from it.
ElonaDate 519.12.1 The Etherwind Festival week has begun. The first of this week's activities: The Ice Ball. Be sure to bring a companion!
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 03, 2013, 10:34:08 pm
Post by: alway on June 03, 2013, 10:38:30 pm
Edit:
Aw yeah, new record! -823 MP with an MP bar of 691 and an HP bar of 735, with 31 magic capacity.
Spoiler: Overcasting sure does make a mess on the lawn... (click to show/hide)
Level 100 magic arrow: 32 mana, 97% cast success rate, 17d55 magic damage.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 03, 2013, 10:43:45 pm
Post by: alway on June 04, 2013, 12:17:20 am
Does PV have an effect on magic? Huh, I thought it ignored it, though I should have been tipped off by my amazing 6 damage magic darts vs. Zeome.Testing suggests it does. Casting Ice Ball with a decently equipped little girl, a poorly equipped Silver Eyed Witch, and an unequipped horse shows a dramatic difference in damage dealt. It does a small chunk from the little girl, a larger chunk from the witch, and about half the health of the horse. None had any magic resist, with the highest hp being the horse, at about 400, the lowest being the witch at 330, and the little girl at 360. Very small sample size though, so take advice at your own risk.
Oh, and The Etherwind Festival ended with fireworks. Turns out I should pay more attention when casting the spell directly above Meteor. You know, that one with low spell stocks that I'm spamming? I accidentally my entire house.
Spoiler: Alway burns his house down with space rocks (click to show/hide)
I also discovered items seem to be pretty resilient to meteors. Good thing too. That stack of potions to the left? That's 4 blessed potentials and around 30 cure corruptions, along with 2 domination rods.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 04, 2013, 12:46:16 am
e: That reminds me, how are the enemies' hex resistances now? The changelog mentioned lessened resistances to the elements, but nothing about things like slow and element scar.
Post by: Robsoie on June 04, 2013, 01:08:41 am
After doing several time a filling of the royal palace main room with strong baddies (my monstter summon spell was increasing in power quickly) and escaping the ensuing hilarity with my trusted teleport spell, at no point the (sometime very strong) monsters have been able to kill any of them.
Only the poor scholar librarian guy got killed (good for my museum he left the figuring/card) after a fire raged through half of Palmia.
Fire that despite burning the royal palace people was still unable to kill any of them and finally ceased after destroying the whole palace but leaving the palace folks surviving.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 04, 2013, 01:25:50 am
Post by: Alkhemia on June 04, 2013, 01:38:48 am
Are there any ways to reduce the weight of equipment aside from scrolls of flying? I decided to try a fairy thief for laughs.turn it into cloth with a Inferior Material scroll
Post by: Ygdrad on June 04, 2013, 01:54:03 am
Are there any ways to reduce the weight of equipment aside from scrolls of flying? I decided to try a fairy thief for laughs.turn it into cloth with a Inferior Material scroll
Won't that wreck its stats though?
Edit: Also, from some testing I've been doing, the ability "Mist of Halve" seems to take roughly half of your yellow gauge and reduces the target's gauge based on how much was taken from you. It has actually saved me a bunch of times since I've started figuring out how it works.
Post by: Tarran on June 04, 2013, 03:29:50 am
Alternatively, use Change Material or Superior Material scrolls and change it into the other light but not massively cruddy material types like Spirit Cloth, Dawn Cloth, Zylon, and so on.Are there any ways to reduce the weight of equipment aside from scrolls of flying? I decided to try a fairy thief for laughs.turn it into cloth with a Inferior Material scroll
Post by: Ygdrad on June 04, 2013, 04:15:40 am
Post by: ( Tchey ) on June 04, 2013, 04:28:03 am
I'd like to try this game, but i feel very stupid : i cannot find where to download it ! I'm looking for "Elona+ 1.20" from may 2013. I don't know japanese, and i've understood the game existes in english.
I went to the wikia Elona, Elona+, i tried google translate with the official website and temple roguelike, and i read the last 15 pages of this topic...
Also, i'm on Linux Lubuntu, if it matters.
A little help please ?
Post by: Ygdrad on June 04, 2013, 04:31:39 am
Hello,
I'd like to try this game, but i feel very stupid : i cannot find where to download it ! I'm looking for "Elona+ 1.20" from may 2013. I don't know japanese, and i've understood the game existes in english.
I went to the wikia Elona, Elona+, i tried google translate with the official website and temple roguelike, and i read the last 15 pages of this topic...
Also, i'm on Linux Lubuntu, if it matters.
A little help please ?
You can find the download here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmv7mo349ehd7l1/1HKVFYzJ0p/elonaplus
You can get the optional music files from here http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html
The game seems to be windows-only as far as I can tell so you'll have to fiddle with something like wine to get it working.
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 04, 2013, 04:57:17 am
Post by: Niveras on June 04, 2013, 05:20:30 am
Also, I'm sorry Niveras. The list does change. The new hot map is 2p... well, it was yesterday. It has the word BLUE among the characters.
Thanks, I was able to find it that way. Saves me a ton of time grinding for gold - although I guess I'm now short on platinum, since my main, very slow source of gold prior to that was harvest jobs. I have a ridiculous number of seeds now. After investing millions into a couple of the Palmia vendors I might blow Palmia up for the karma thing and turn tricks for money instead.
I wish there was a way to improve platinum rewards, or at least increase the number of quests available from a given town. I know about Yact but I picked Kumi for now because I wanted his scythe.
The sheer amount of grinding in this game is a little off-putting. I think the whole thing about "potential" in stats and skills both on top of having to simply increase them seems excessive.
Also, I forgot. Is there a way to show exactly what your fame is? I looked at the character sheet but I couldn't find it. I'm probably just blind.
Post by: Blaze on June 04, 2013, 05:43:48 am
Post by: Niveras on June 04, 2013, 05:53:17 am
Post by: Patchy on June 04, 2013, 06:17:43 am
Post by: ( Tchey ) on June 04, 2013, 06:24:04 am
I'm testing Elona+ my eeePC 901, Lubuntu, with Wine. It's a little slow but it's ok. It crashes everytime i want to exit the game, but the save is stilll good, so, i don't really care.
However, i hate the "shift = escape" key, as i cannot use he numbers 1, 2, 3... I have a french keyboard : "1" is "shit+&", "2" is "shift+2" etc. So, i must hit "shift", and the game understands "escape".
I've changed the config.txt file, but it seems to be useless :
Code: [Select]
(Keyboard special function)
key_sCancel. "0" use shift key as ESC key 0=no 1=yesAlso i don't understand ingame options :
Object Shadow : No (slow)
PCC show : full size
Lighting : high
Whatever i set, i cannot see the difference and the game is still slow.
Post by: hachnslay on June 04, 2013, 08:17:29 am
qwertz keyboard here.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 04, 2013, 10:12:46 am
Post by: kilakan on June 04, 2013, 10:19:28 am
Post by: Robsoie on June 04, 2013, 11:01:16 am
Post by: Markus on June 04, 2013, 04:29:49 pm
My currently active normal character is Resurrected Blade Aaron, Lawful Sane Neutral. IIRC this version is a Zanan, whom follows Eyth of Infidel.
My currently active Wizard Mode character is *Debug* Argus, Bacteria Predator, alignment Chaotic Necktie evil, with Rubynus equipment and follows himself.
My other characters, who I currently don't have saves of, are Nadia, a normal character of Lawful Sane Good, and Zinaldean, a Wizard mode character of Chaotic Bacon Good.
LoL
Post by: Alkhemia on June 04, 2013, 05:17:31 pm
Post by: Steele on June 04, 2013, 06:03:15 pm
I did die a few times the other night while trying to kill Jure, though.
But ultimately I prevailed and there are now a couple of lovely Jure steaks for sale in my shop.
Post by: Blaze on June 04, 2013, 06:21:12 pm
Post by: Lukewarm on June 04, 2013, 07:28:31 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 04, 2013, 08:37:24 pm
Edit: I still don't know which character I'll be using most, still testing things out to see what I find more fun.
Cheerless Loser Failtasia, Juere Gunner(lv7)
Ridiculous Enmity Grimkin, Goblin Predator(lv6)
Dark Magician Elise, Eles Wizard(lv8)
Dagger Bird Ellie, fairy thief(lv6)
Post by: alway on June 04, 2013, 08:38:05 pm
Turns out my level 101 Magic Missiles of 17d56 damage weren't enough for Act1 endboss. You really need speed & silence & slows in there. Though it did 4-shot the fallen angel. And 8-shot a big daddy.
Post by: Markus on June 04, 2013, 09:27:23 pm
Can random town's people be caught in Monster Balls? I.E. The ones in shelters? For that matter, what about
-Rogue Bosses + Rogue Flunkies
-Merchants + Mercenaries
I don't read anything in particular addressing those characters on the wiki, and I've read the wiki almost twice as much as I played the game.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 04, 2013, 09:30:54 pm
Really quick question.anything that not in the void can be grab I think besides <name> stuff you need to use a astral light pen for them
Can random town's people be caught in Monster Balls? I.E. The ones in shelters? For that matter, what about
-Rogue Bosses + Rogue Flunkies
-Merchants + Mercenaries
I don't read anything in particular addressing those characters on the wiki, and I've read the wiki almost twice as much as I played the game.
Post by: Kaitol on June 04, 2013, 09:32:54 pm
On top of being lightweight, which is a big bonus for some classes and races. (Claymores, fairies,)
I think you can still equip a bullet even without a gun for the bonuses if you really want to.
It's been a long time since I played, so don't crucify me if something is inaccurate.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 04, 2013, 09:36:31 pm
Panties are mind dmg and most will raise your charisma.
Trying to find the <Shena's Panty> atm
Post by: kcwong on June 04, 2013, 10:02:46 pm
It's nice in Elona+ that once you switch from Yacatect to someone else more usefull that you can still keep and use the Goose and Yacatect's gem stone to still get the monthly platinium coming.
It's actually the same in Elona... people used to go from one god to another, and finally staying at the best suited god for the rest of the game.
Just... take a very long walk after you switch. Unless it's a switch performed in the festival.
Post by: alexwazer on June 04, 2013, 10:42:06 pm
Well, IIRC, most types of throwing weapons have some special abilities in every single item. Grenades explode (obviously) panties do nerve damage (and possibly confuse? memory is hazy), shuriken... start bleeding? or do cutting damage? or crit frequently? I forget exactly. Pierce defense maybe?
Every time someone mention throwing, they forget the Kill Kill Piano (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Kill_Kill_Piano). I never actually played a character long enough to able to do anything with it, but eventually... It does chaos damage, but that's nothing special compared to the mere fact it exists as a weapon.
Currently playing as Pleasant Oblivion Donryu, level 28 claymore. Haven,t died too much lately as I tend to play safely as much as possible. Died twice in the pyramid, forgot about Death Word or whatever it's called. Died 2 or 3 other times, not counting the few death in the arena... damn <Chaos Imp>. I have been mostly working on skills and stats so far, with a lot of random wandering thrown in for good measure, or as a way to avoid having to grind for platinum coins.
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 05, 2013, 12:37:50 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 05, 2013, 05:24:13 am
Well, IIRC, most types of throwing weapons have some special abilities in every single item. Grenades explode (obviously) panties do nerve damage (and possibly confuse? memory is hazy), shuriken... start bleeding? or do cutting damage? or crit frequently? I forget exactly. Pierce defense maybe?
On top of being lightweight, which is a big bonus for some classes and races. (Claymores, fairies,)
I think you can still equip a bullet even without a gun for the bonuses if you really want to.
It's been a long time since I played, so don't crucify me if something is inaccurate.
You can't equip ammo with throwing weapons, you get an error saying you have the wrong type of weapon for the ammo.
Edit: Does anyone know how/where you get tonfas? I want to test them with martial arts. Are there even any normal tonfas or are they only available as those artifacts found on crazy strong npc's?
Also, how do you level up your skills/stats/character with any degree of speed? It takes me a fairly long while to get to lv8 and the highest I get in a skill is like 14. I can't even imagine how long it would take me to reach lv150 to take on those crazy npc's. I'm probably doing something wrong, so let me know how you level up your stuff.
Post by: Blaze on June 05, 2013, 06:24:21 am
Post by: Ogdibus on June 05, 2013, 08:15:08 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 05, 2013, 08:40:15 am
Anyone knows what's going on? as far as i know none of my gear is cursed.
Post by: Zangi on June 05, 2013, 08:43:33 am
I keep waking up with robbers surrounding me in the morning -_-I think that is avoided by having a pet... they keep watch over you?
Anyone knows what's going on? as far as i know none of my gear is cursed.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 05, 2013, 09:02:04 am
I keep waking up with robbers surrounding me in the morning -_-I think that is avoided by having a pet... they keep watch over you?
Anyone knows what's going on? as far as i know none of my gear is cursed.
I've had a pet the entire time.
I've got some more questions. Do you think dual daggers is a viable weapon set? My thief is a fairy and the daggers I've found so far have 2d3-2d4 damage. That seems rather unimpressive compared to say a wakizashi with 4d3-4d4. Also, what's a good way to increase one's hp? My fairy is sitting on 228% evade, but spells and yellow gauge abilities tend to 1-shot it with no chance to evade. Having 22hp at lv7 kind of hurts, do fairies get an easier time later on?
Post by: Robsoie on June 05, 2013, 10:01:58 am
Though leveling up too quickly can be a problem if you want to level up the skills quickly with high potential, so to compensate you'll need a lot of platinium to pay the trainers.
And so that's why taking Yacatect as a god early (only in Elona+) is a must, sacrifice tons of amulets and rings until you are given her pet then her gemstone, so you can get regularly (for the gemstone, as unfortunately the pet is bugged, at least on 1.19 that i play and does not give platinium most of the time it should have) platinium along grinding them with town random quests.
After obtaining the gemstone, just switch to any other god you prefer, you'll keep the gemstone and the pet.
About those robbers, is that the window popping up with the mention of damn thieves taking your money ? If so, there are items that have some robbery protection that make the thieves event failing to take any money from your.
If that's the ambush from the rogues with their leader looking like a pirate, apparently the more fame you have the more frequent they are.
A nice teleport to get out of view and avoid melee insta kill, with having a very good leveled magic arrow spell is good enough to get rid of them one by one.
The rogue boss is a nice source of items and cargo to sell to the merchant in the Inn that sell and buy only those cargo.
Magic Arrow is awesome with the improved spell skill advancement in Elona+ , while your wizard remains weak for melee you can deal amazing damage after having used (and so trained) this spell a lot.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 05, 2013, 10:24:15 am
Travelling is awesome in Elona+ if you want to level up, cut hours of dungeon grinding.
Though leveling up too quickly can be a problem if you want to level up the skills quickly with high potential, so to compensate you'll need a lot of platinium to pay the trainers.
And so that's why taking Yacatect as a god early (only in Elona+) is a must, sacrifice tons of amulets and rings until you are given her pet then her gemstone, so you can get regularly (for the gemstone, as unfortunately the pet is bugged, at least on 1.19 that i play and does not give platinium most of the time it should have) platinium along grinding them with town random quests.
After obtaining the gemstone, just switch to any other god you prefer, you'll keep the gemstone and the pet.
About those robbers, is that the window popping up with the mention of damn thieves taking your money ? If so, there are items that have some robbery protection that make the thieves event failing to take any money from your.
If that's the ambush from the rogues with their leader looking like a pirate, apparently the more fame you have the more frequent they are.
A nice teleport to get out of view and avoid melee insta kill, with having a very good leveled magic arrow spell is good enough to get rid of them one by one.
The rogue boss is a nice source of items and cargo to sell to the merchant in the Inn that sell and buy only those cargo.
Magic Arrow is awesome with the improved spell skill advancement in Elona+ , while your wizard remains weak for melee you can deal amazing damage after having used (and so trained) this spell a lot.
The robbers were actual enemies called "robber" I'd get up from my sleep and the bed was surrounded by them. One time I was even unable to teleport out supposedly because of some magic field or something. There wouldn't be any messages as far as I could tell. I'd just wake up surrounded.
Also, I haven't been using the trainer to train potential. What should I push potential up to on skills I want to increase? Also, should I be bringing potential up before I spend those skillpoints from level up?
Edit: -_- that time i was unable to teleport... that was an amulet i was wearing. I put it on because it said it was (great), so i thought nothing bad could come from it. I jsut finished detecting its quality... prevents teleportation.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 05, 2013, 11:05:34 am
Edit: -_- that time i was unable to teleport... that was an amulet i was wearing. I put it on because it said it was (great), so i thought nothing bad could come from it. I jsut finished detecting its quality... prevents teleportation.
Preventing teleportation is not a bad attribute; in many cases it's very desirable. Being able to prevent teleport traps, teleport item curses, and teleport ether disease has saved me numerous times.
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 05, 2013, 11:08:01 am
Post by: Zangi on June 05, 2013, 11:14:45 am
I've never ever been surrounded when I wake up from sleeping on a bed. Always have my little girl or goose around. So... ?
@Fairy, currently playing a Claymore Fairy, with my cloth claymore of 'meh, I guess it works'. Greater Evasion and Evasion is great friend.
You need some levels for the HP buffer. Currently around level 15-ish and 30-ish Con, have 75-ish HP now. It tends to be enough to take magic arrow spam from a room of Wizards of Elea and a few breaths from hounds.
Have not been 1 shot by anything for awhile. Though... a sheep or something did a super melee hit on me recently. It was kinda close.
(Version 1.9)
Post by: Drakale on June 05, 2013, 11:46:41 am
Just type in the damage dices and the bonus to get a better idea of the damage spread.
Post by: Patchy on June 05, 2013, 12:12:54 pm
As for my toon. She is a fairy claymore too. Amazing Blade Neirenn.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg4264029#msg4264029
Post by: Robsoie on June 05, 2013, 01:10:33 pm
Additionally, it's a great pet protection too, because assuming you leashed your pet (you always should use your leash on your pets) , if you notice one of them is going to be killed, teleport away and move, the leash will bring all of them back next to you instead of letting them stay and die.
Save a trip out of your current dungeon crawl back to an inn to resurrect that precious pet to go back dungeon exploring
It's really perfect for the rogue ambushes on the world map.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 05, 2013, 01:20:59 pm
I've had the robbers appear around me only when I took off all my gear to avoid curses, while sleeping. I'm guessing if you had a curse dream and had nothing equipped to curse, the game spawns the robbers. Just my limited experience with it, most times I just carry a small stack of blessed uncurse scrolls with me and uncurse stuff as needed. Really only annoys me now when the curse dream unblesses some gear.
As for my toon. She is a fairy claymore too. Amazing Blade Neirenn.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg4264029#msg4264029
D: how do you get those crazy stats while being lv28?
Post by: Robsoie on June 05, 2013, 01:37:30 pm
(But does nothing against the ones that gives you a bad mutation.)
Post by: Ochita on June 05, 2013, 01:38:21 pm
Like literally. Doing farming quests seems to raise your strength, Con, and wil, alongside learning. Magic is gained though the use of magic, so thats not too weird (I have like 25 magic at level 2, so assuming that payments towards stat trainers are done stats can rise easily.)
Also by the looks of it Patchy has a metric load of equipment that raises stats, so thats possibly also part of it.
Post by: Ivefan on June 05, 2013, 01:47:33 pm
Well, I can assume that farming was involved.Most certainly. Time played: 305 hours.
Post by: Patchy on June 05, 2013, 02:22:38 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 05, 2013, 02:30:05 pm
Is it still usefull for Elona+ or will the big Travelling improvement be enough ? (my currently level 24 character have not found a single Descent potion so far)
Post by: Patchy on June 05, 2013, 02:34:03 pm
Post by: alway on June 05, 2013, 02:43:57 pm
I guess I don't really understand the mechanics of this game deeply, is there a good page that explains how weapon damage and leveling actually works? I've checked the wiki and I couldn't find a place that boiled everything down for me.As for character levels, those are basically nothing but good. I haven't looked much into melee, but for mages, your level directly acts as a multiplier for mana, and same goes for HP. It also partly determines how good the loot you get is. There are only 2 negatives, both of which are minor to the point of being trivial: the first is higher cash penalties for things like the thieves random event, the second is slightly higher taxes. Aside from those trivially unimportant things, it does a ton of great stuff for you (more cash from good random events too!) and generally means high character level is a very good thing. More HP, more MP, more feats, more free skill training & potential, more/better loot, better cash from good random events, better treasure from treasure maps, and the list goes on. Levels: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Experience
Edit: As stated, fame is the real one to watch and control. However, if you aren't running dungeons back to back, you won't build up too much. In E+, it seems to be really easy to control fame above around 10k. Fame from quests decreased over time for me; dunno if that's based on level or fame, and the negative fame from failing quests increased dramatically. Currently, succeeding at a farming quest increases my fame by about 30. Failing one decreases it by over 600. Early on, it's much more even; though again, I dunno if that's levels or fame based.
As for melee combat, here's my understanding of the basics; which may be wildly inaccurate.
1 DV = +1% evade chance; this will quickly go above 100%, you will still be hit because hit chance can also go above 100%; dunno if the two are subtracted, or if it's some sort of ratio thing. There's also the Greater Evasion skill from the mage guild; this either gives you a second evade roll or allows you to evade crits, wiki people weren't sure on which exactly. Crits will otherwise always hit, even if you were able to evade all enemy attacks.
Evasion does not help for typical damage spells, be they arrow, bolt, or ball.
PV does a damage reduction; FinalDamage = InitialDmg-(PVPercentageValue*InitialDmg+PVDiceRollValue)
There's also a hidden PV bonus from armor skills; something on the order of +2PV per level of the armor skill you are using.
Not sure whether PV has an effect on magic or not; I would think not, but I need to do more experiments in that area, as my last one didn't have adequate control groups.
As for magic, this post suggests NPCs have an inherent resistance to all sorts based on level:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:8456
which is likely the cause of many of the experiences us magic users have of our spells being very ineffective against higher level enemies, but 1-shotting them just a few levels later.
Spell potential increases by 20% per sleep in E+, up to a maximum of 400%.
Spell stock use decreases with spell level, and is proportional to MP cost. The wiki is unclear if it's proportional to base cost or cost with level modifiers. Either way, stock use decreases with levels from what I've seen. The main exception to this general rule is Wizard's Harvest, which seems to stay the same, if not increase, with spell use.
Spell stock gains from reading books decreases in a logarithmic fashion relative to current spell stock; wiki gives the formula "RandMod * (Memorization + 100) / (50 * ln(10 + CurrentSpellStock))"
Spell MP cost increases with level, with the equation Cost = BaseCost + BaseCost * SpellLevel / 25
Resistance to a school of magic also provides a bonus to casting with that type of magic; wiki was unclear as to how powerful the bonus is.
The "Enhances your spells" enchantment does so either through a multiplier to your spell level for any given spell or through a flat damage/duration bonus; the wiki had conflicting info there.
The "Enhances your casting" enchantment is a multiplier which affects casting chance.
Damage/duration/effects of spells increase with level.
Damage of spells also increases with Magic levels; the exact equations vary based on spell.
Nerve Arrow: (1+Magic/18+(L+5)/7)d(11+2L/5)
Chaos Eye: (1+Magic/18+(L+5)/7)d(11+2L/5)
Fire Bolt: (2+Magic/20+L/5)d(6+(2L+3)/5)
Lightning Bolt: (2+Magic/20+L/5)d(6+(2L+3)/5)
Ice Ball: (1+magic/20+L/5)d(6+(2L+3)/5)
EDIT: LOLNOPE, WIKI EQUATIONS ARE ALL WRONG
So as you can see, not all damage spells are created equal. That said, I suspect these equations are somewhat out of date. Lightning and fire bolts have very different damage at the same level in E+1.19, despite this saying their equations for the rolls should be the same. So take with a bit grain of salt. So as you level, pay attention/write down the changes, derive the equations, and update the wiki if it's incorrect.
With more of them listed on the wiki: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Spells
Post by: Robsoie on June 05, 2013, 03:54:30 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Panic (need 30000 fame)
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Challenge (need 50000 fame)
They sound fun, though i'm very far from having that much fame (having kept it under control with several Party Time failures)
Post by: alway on June 05, 2013, 04:02:57 pm
Additionally, in E+ 1.19, wearing medium armor seems to only decrease casting chance by 3%, unlike the wiki which suggests 8%.
Post by: beorn080 on June 05, 2013, 04:30:44 pm
From changelog You now get bonus spell power depending on how high your elemental resist on that element is.
Post by: Markus on June 05, 2013, 05:05:26 pm
Ask any wizard mode pc who used the gain_exp command. =P
Post by: Markus on June 05, 2013, 05:38:54 pm
How do I take screen? (Screen shot.) The wiki says nothing about this!
Post by: Ivefan on June 05, 2013, 05:41:34 pm
Post by: alway on June 06, 2013, 12:57:43 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 06, 2013, 01:15:25 am
Post by: alway on June 06, 2013, 02:50:23 am
I've also been spending hundreds of thousands on spellbooks to grind up Speed, Slow, and Silence spells after my terrible first attempt at the boss. Act1 final boss won't know what hit him. Because he won't have the turns to react.
Slow: 28 mana, level 46, 33t Decreases speed by 122.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 03:14:41 am
Yeah, I got one while speed-running dungeons for cash, plat, and small medals.
I've also been spending hundreds of thousands on spellbooks to grind up Speed, Slow, and Silence spells after my terrible first attempt at the boss. Act1 final boss won't know what hit him. Because he won't have the turns to react.
Slow: 28 mana, level 46, 33t Decreases speed by 122.
Do only static dungeons give plats?
Edit: who's character is "White hair Light uy"?
Post by: Ivefan on June 06, 2013, 04:55:11 am
Edit: who's character is "White hair Light uy"?Heh. I just saw that one too.
Damn dungeon boss is a golden bell. can't out damage its regen
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 05:29:57 am
Edit: who's character is "White hair Light uy"?Heh. I just saw that one too.
Damn dungeon boss is a golden bell. can't out damage its regen
Throw potions at it. Poison hurts them a lot because they get so many turns. Dye potions also poison. Alternatively, you could drink potions of speed and throw potions of slow/paralyze/sleep at them to cut down on the number of turns they get to heal.
Post by: Ivefan on June 06, 2013, 05:43:11 am
Post by: Ochita on June 06, 2013, 05:56:07 am
(http://i.imgur.com/QhT5sIA.png)
Aside from the sucking blood part, this is a pretty good cloak, all things considered. The casting and evasion boost are nice, as is the whole disturbing growth.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 06:01:35 am
How does the Slave Master in Derphy work? I went there to buy slaves, but there's no option to do so, only an option to sell one. I'm wondering if it isn't because I have a horse in a ranch... Do breeders take up a companion slot?
Post by: Zangi on June 06, 2013, 06:51:12 am
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 06:58:27 am
you can have a max of 15 or at 75-80 charisma.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 06:59:26 am
Yea, I believe they do take up a slot, just increase your charisma.
That'll take a looong time. I started with 6 charisma and then the etherwinds gave me a second pair of eyes which decreased it by 5. I'm sitting on just 1 charisma right now.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 07:03:31 am
I have 3 ranches setup of them + a horse
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 08:11:14 am
grab a putit or w/e the weak and adorable slimes and make a ranch then eat their flesh I'm at 70 atm on my lvl 16 Claymore
I have 3 ranches setup of them + a horse
how do you get a putit pet? Can you buy them somewhere?
Post by: snelg on June 06, 2013, 08:16:03 am
Post by: Markus on June 06, 2013, 10:46:56 am
A. Dominate them using the Domination spell OR Rods of Domination at any level, especially with the precious item Monster Heart, which is itself obtained from the quest "Mia's Dream". This adds the putit straight to your party, and it will probably be minced if you don't protect it immediately. On the other hand, this means you won't risk losing it as an inventory item, and can simply keep it dead until you can scrounge up enough gold for a Deed of Ranch. Which are expensive.
B. Catch them with a leveled Monster Ball. To use a monster ball, you have to weaken the creature. The problem with this is that putits are so weak you will have trouble not over-killing them, unless you are ALSO level 1. There are several places to obtain monster balls, including a quest which gives you six Lvl 5 balls. The quest asks you to return five of the balls with a monster in it, so you can keep one for yourself-Just don't have it in your inventory when you give the old man his! Using a monster ball (press Shift-T, throw it at the weakened putit) will fill the monster ball, allowing you to carry the putit around-just be warned that you can drop it on death, and filled monster balls all seem to weigh ten stones in my experience.
There is something I will add.
Red Putits are slightly stronger (only slightly), so they may be easier to safely weaken, and are not as easily minced by enemies. I think they might give more CHA. Because of their slightly higher level, though, they will breed slightly slower. You see, breed power goes down as level goes up-though the upshot is that the bred creatures are sometimes stronger.
You might also try for the military putit. Compared to the Level 1 Slime Tourist (White) Putit and Level 3 Slime Red Putit, the Military Putit is a Level 6 Slime Gunner. They are also neutral, rather than hostile, so you don't have to fight it immediately. They come with their own guns, usually, and may give you trouble if you don't let other weak enemies damage it, but they have this silly little hat, and a microphone on their side. They may actually be usable companions in combat. My biggest concern, however, is figuring whether or not they still raise CHA when eaten.
I doubt the level 12 Putit tank is even edible, so I won't go over it.
Post by: alway on June 06, 2013, 11:55:42 am
All dungeons give some plats; usually only 2-4 or so, plus whatever you get in chests and from mobs. You will also typically get around 3 small medals, either from the boss reward or from the chests and such. Monetary rewards seem to be around 1000 * dungeon level or thereabouts. Between that and loot lying around, speedrunning dungeons is a decent way of getting stuff.Yeah, I got one while speed-running dungeons for cash, plat, and small medals.
I've also been spending hundreds of thousands on spellbooks to grind up Speed, Slow, and Silence spells after my terrible first attempt at the boss. Act1 final boss won't know what hit him. Because he won't have the turns to react.
Slow: 28 mana, level 46, 33t Decreases speed by 122.
Do only static dungeons give plats?
Edit: who's character is "White hair Light uy"?
Another tip: If you get to the bottom of a dungeon and see a Shub-Niggurath surrounded by a few dozen powerful Elea, that is the ideal time to read a scroll of escape, not 5 turns later when you are insane and getting ether disease.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 12:45:30 pm
Does anyone know which skills and stats come into play when throwing melee weapons? When throwing a spear, does my polearm skill have any effect on it? Does it still use dexterity like throwing weapons for it's damage since the spear usually uses endurance? Also, when using melee weapons as throwing weapons, do on-hit effects still work, like the absolute piercing on the spear(not that I even know what that does, but it sounds useful).
Post by: Robsoie on June 06, 2013, 01:41:10 pm
So far i have my Anatomy to 13 (only bought it late, but invested in its potential) and didn't noticed much improvement in the corpses spawned.
But in the same time i have 2 bells equipped with great machineguns in my pet army (that domination rod was not wasted on them, once well equipped with artifacts guns, they do a fantastic job) are usually killing things before i can even annihilate them with my high level magic arrows.
So from that i tend to think that either Anatomy only extremely minorly increase the chance of monster leaving corpses, or it's not mine but the pitifull low Anatomy skill of those bells that is checked on their kills.
Post by: Neonivek on June 06, 2013, 01:53:58 pm
Post by: Kaitol on June 06, 2013, 03:12:32 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 04:34:08 pm
Anyone happen to have Odabutsu's graphic pack version 1.9? Its axfc page has expired, and the elona site only has version 1.5I do but where to upload it to?
Post by: alway on June 06, 2013, 04:37:41 pm
Heh, between that and mist of silence, he didn't stand a chance against my 18d60 level 110 magic missiles.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 04:49:07 pm
Well, grinded my slow up to level 52; slows by 134 for 36 turns. If the wiki page for the final boss is correct, this should put him down to 1 turn per 10 of mine.Dear god, what is your actual lvl anyways?
Heh, between that and mist of silence, he didn't stand a chance against my 18d60 level 110 magic missiles.
Post by: Kaitol on June 06, 2013, 05:36:49 pm
Dungeon cleaner just murdered Shena and Loyter got assassinated. Pity I didn't notice their stuff put me overweight and I died going back to my house to stuff their corpses in my fridge for laughs. Doh. Lost several items, including Shena's card. Still got a crystal plate mail and a chrome heavy helm for free right away though.
Edit: Wait. Wait wait wait. In Elona+ if you die on the world map your stuff doesn't go into the void?! Happy day!
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 05:42:26 pm
there you go just picked a random upload site
Post by: Steele on June 06, 2013, 05:43:03 pm
Anyone happen to have Odabutsu's graphic pack version 1.9? Its axfc page has expired, and the elona site only has version 1.5
If you're looking for a graphics pack I'd suggest having a look at Deon's.
I had a look at Odabutsu's and it was a pixellated mess, whereas Deon's graphics are near-perfect.
The only downside is that it hasn't been updated in a while, so you'd need to edit a few of the images in order for the pack to work correctly in Elona+. I've done so myself and I can tell you it doesn't require much knowledge of image editing software, just takes a bit of time.
http://deonmod.webs.com/
Post by: Kaitol on June 06, 2013, 06:39:47 pm
Post by: Steele on June 06, 2013, 07:30:31 pm
??? But both of them do completely different things. All Odabutsu's does is add pcc bodyparts. Deons only really changes the item/npc/portrait/map stuff. They're entirely inter-compatible.Not exactly.
Both replace the default male and female bodies, hair, eyes, etc, with Deons replacements being far superior.
I just noticed that Oda's and Deon's packs have some of the same clothing graphics.. I reckon whoever did the sprites for the clothing in Deon's also did the sprites for the clothing in Oda's, as they all seem to be of the same quality and, surprisingly, most of the extra clothing in Oda's seem to fit Deon's bodies just fine. Seems most of the new stuff does, actually.
The body sprites being so different I really didn't expect that..
That being the case the best thing to do would be to use the best parts of both packs; Deon's default replacements and anything non-replacing from Oda's.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 08:27:39 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona%2B_sprite_and_portrait_updates
Edit: Is the alien baby thing permanent on of my pets keep pooping them out it lvl up it heal stat do to the bleeding put it kinda annoying.
Post by: Robsoie on June 06, 2013, 08:57:28 pm
It will get rid of the alien infestation.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 09:01:54 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 09:12:03 pm
Interact with the pet, choose "inventory" and give the pet a dye potion.Oh ty
It will get rid of the alien infestation.
I'm never going it moon gate again I lost a crap load of my healing potions after jumping in one that had a ton of Mass Monster :(
Post by: Blaze on June 06, 2013, 09:15:49 pm
There are a ton of moongates that are just meant to kill you so it's not really considered scumming.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 06, 2013, 09:21:48 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 06, 2013, 09:51:17 pm
A low level character I was using to try some !!SCIENCE!! accidentally stumbled on something interesting. I got caught in the ether wind and grew ears which gave me a whopping +12 perception. After that, I saw the drop rate of corpses, figures, cards, and seemingly just plain loot dramatically increase. It might have just been a long string of luck, but I think perception might play a role in drop rates.Anatomy is based off perception, so yeah. It does.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 11:36:05 pm
Also, Is there a way to regain the charisma you lose when failing hunting quests? Asking the healer to restore my stats doesn't seem to do it :(
Post by: Patchy on June 06, 2013, 11:42:19 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 06, 2013, 11:47:31 pm
If you failed the hunting quest by dieing, the cha loss is off your base. You'll have to regain it the hard way.
D:
Post by: Kaitol on June 07, 2013, 12:05:38 am
Damn it bitch. YOU ate it.
Post by: alway on June 07, 2013, 03:00:20 am
*Baker asks me to get someone's bomb fish. It's rotten. Give it to the baker, they eat it, DIE, and suddenly hate me**Kaitol hires a catering service to get some pork. It's rotten. Catering server gives it to Kaitol, they eat it, get sick, and suddenly hate the caterers*
Damn it bitch. YOU ate it.
Caterers get upset at Kaitol's disdain for them, asking why they ate it.
That is basically what you're doing. :P
Post by: Ivefan on June 07, 2013, 03:08:23 am
*Kaitol hires a catering service to get some pork. It's rotten. Catering server gives it to Kaitol, they eat it, get sick, and suddenly hate the caterers*Not really, They demand that you get a specific thing from someone, not somewhere. If they really desire that rotten thing, then thats up to them.
Caterers get upset at Kaitol's disdain for them, asking why they ate it.
That is basically what you're doing. :P
Post by: hachnslay on June 07, 2013, 05:26:28 am
They want you to get a specific item and note that a person they know has one such item.*Kaitol hires a catering service to get some pork. It's rotten. Catering server gives it to Kaitol, they eat it, get sick, and suddenly hate the caterers*Not really, They demand that you get a specific thing from someone, not somewhere. If they really desire that rotten thing, then thats up to them.
Caterers get upset at Kaitol's disdain for them, asking why they ate it.
That is basically what you're doing. :P
You can get them an item that you didn't take from that person.
also: i have played elona for 80 hours THIS MONTH ... I remember why i stopped playing. time to backspace + Enter Vernis again to get rid of the dragons.
Post by: Niveras on June 07, 2013, 05:29:02 am
If you failed the hunting quest by dieing, the cha loss is off your base. You'll have to regain it the hard way.
Yep, don't die in quests. There were posts in the past (like, years past) that dying during events doesn't hit your stats but that has never been true in my experience, I've always had a hit to my stats when I die in them, no matter what version I'm playing. (Maybe only true if you're still in the "newbie" phase of <level 6?)
Post by: amjh on June 07, 2013, 06:01:04 am
I remember party time being spammable for money even with low performer skill before switching to it
Post by: Ygdrad on June 07, 2013, 06:54:10 am
Also, are there any good ways to make money early aside from constantly running from city to city doing quests?
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 07, 2013, 07:34:14 am
Question about the ranch. Should I leave some monsters alive(aside from the breeder) in it or is it ok if I murder them all except the breeder? Wondering if they breed faster with more.Prostitution can be lucrative, although I try to avoid it due to the negative effects it sometimes has.
Also, are there any good ways to make money early aside from constantly running from city to city doing quests?
Post by: Ygdrad on June 07, 2013, 09:08:38 am
edit: aaawww... The prompt was gone when i got back to the game and I had to stab it to death
Post by: Zangi on June 07, 2013, 09:28:45 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 07, 2013, 09:37:08 am
Passed up on a free pet from what I know...
D:
How does that work? Enemies randomly want to join you when near death? I threw a bunch of potions at him because I was scared of it... think that affected it?
Post by: Markus on June 07, 2013, 09:45:04 am
Also, I can't seem to wish for the generic "Secret Treasure" in Elona+'s wizard mode. It's the one that gives the mutant racial feet, because not having equipment slots is starting to kill my Gunner Bacteria God with chaotic necktie alignment.
I'm also surprised no one commented on the blue and orange morality of my Wizard mode characters. (That's bacon and necktie btw.)
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 07, 2013, 09:58:09 am
Whoever is the "Crimson Boy" Mars is currently dying in the tutorial to putits. Repeatedly.If you go up against the puttits with a weapon you aren't skilled with, they'll usually win with the bullshit special attacks.
Also, I can't seem to wish for the generic "Secret Treasure" in Elona+'s wizard mode. It's the one that gives the mutant racial feet, because not having equipment slots is starting to kill my Gunner Bacteria God with chaotic necktie alignment.
I'm also surprised no one commented on the blue and orange morality of my Wizard mode characters. (That's bacon and necktie btw.)
Post by: Ivefan on June 07, 2013, 10:12:25 am
If you go up against the puttits with a weapon you aren't skilled with, they'll usually win with the bullshit special attacks.haven't really understood why they thought it was a good idea. Were the players too strong? because generally its the monsters that gets to strike first, especially with the large groups that gains bs attack charge whenever one of them dies.
Post by: Robsoie on June 07, 2013, 10:23:59 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 07, 2013, 10:32:17 am
Edit: I think I'm going to give in and go with 1.19. 9/10 of my deaths are to bad luck with the yellow gauge. You think you're fine and that your next hit won't bring it too high, but then your pet hits it too and you get your face bashed in for it. Taking off 60% of an enemy's health on the first hit and then finishing it off with a second hit works fine, but hitting them for 75-90% of their health in one hit insures they're going to hit you with the special move before you can kill them.
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 07, 2013, 11:59:34 am
Post by: Kaitol on June 07, 2013, 12:22:20 pm
Post by: Markus on June 07, 2013, 12:39:46 pm
I'm also beginning to question if the secret treasure is still in Elona+.
Post by: Tarran on June 07, 2013, 05:24:36 pm
Oh, so deaths are tracked across versions as well? Because I never touched 1.20+, still in 1.19.I assume so, because from my quick glances it looks like the server it looks up is the same as vanilla.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 07, 2013, 05:56:19 pm
Post by: Steele on June 07, 2013, 06:27:19 pm
Whoever is the "Crimson Boy" Mars is currently dying in the tutorial to putits. Repeatedly.
Also, I can't seem to wish for the generic "Secret Treasure" in Elona+'s wizard mode. It's the one that gives the mutant racial feet, because not having equipment slots is starting to kill my Gunner Bacteria God with chaotic necktie alignment.
I'm also surprised no one commented on the blue and orange morality of my Wizard mode characters. (That's bacon and necktie btw.)
You could use EloSnack to give yourself the Mutant feat, if you're willing to go that route.
I'm fairly certain you could add the exact parts you wanted with it also.. I'll test that myself a little later.
Edit: You can indeed. The data you need to edit is located within cdata.s1.
Make a backup of your save folder, unequip any items you may have equipped and save the game.
Run EloSnack, load your save, and scroll down until you see "Player 0 Body Part Slot".
We'll be giving your character all of the slots available to a Yerles, so we'll be editing slots 1 through 13.
Slot 1 value: 10000
Slot 2 value: 20000
Slot 3 value: 40000
Slot 4 value: 30000
Slot 5 value: 50000
Slot 6 value: 50000
Slot 7 value: 60000
Slot 8 value: 60000
Slot 9 value: 70000
Slot 10 value: 80000
Slot 11 value: 90000
Slot 12 value: 100000
Slot 13 value: 110000
Save and test.
Post by: Markus on June 07, 2013, 08:37:22 pm
Well, much simpler. I wonder how I didn't hear of EloSnack before. . .Whoever is the "Crimson Boy" Mars is currently dying in the tutorial to putits. Repeatedly.
Also, I can't seem to wish for the generic "Secret Treasure" in Elona+'s wizard mode. It's the one that gives the mutant racial feet, because not having equipment slots is starting to kill my Gunner Bacteria God with chaotic necktie alignment.
I'm also surprised no one commented on the blue and orange morality of my Wizard mode characters. (That's bacon and necktie btw.)
You could use EloSnack to give yourself the Mutant feat, if you're willing to go that route.
I'm fairly certain you could add the exact parts you wanted with it also.. I'll test that myself a little later.
Edit: You can indeed. The data you need to edit is located within cdata.s1.
Make a backup of your save folder, unequip any items you may have equipped and save the game.
Run EloSnack, load your save, and scroll down until you see "Player 0 Body Part Slot".
We'll be giving your character all of the slots available to a Yerles, so we'll be editing slots 1 through 13.
Slot 1 value: 10000
Slot 2 value: 20000
Slot 3 value: 40000
Slot 4 value: 30000
Slot 5 value: 50000
Slot 6 value: 50000
Slot 7 value: 60000
Slot 8 value: 60000
Slot 9 value: 70000
Slot 10 value: 80000
Slot 11 value: 90000
Slot 12 value: 100000
Slot 13 value: 110000
Save and test.
Looking at the wiki some more, Elosnack can also be used to get the various hearts more easily.
Regardless, I'm very thankful for this tidbit.
Post by: Ogdibus on June 08, 2013, 03:34:23 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 03:52:13 am
Slot 1 value: 10000 head
Slot 2 value: 20000 neck
Slot 3 value: 40000 back
Slot 4 value: 30000 body
Slot 5 value: 50000 hand
Slot 6 value: 50000 hand
Slot 7 value: 60000 ring
Slot 8 value: 60000 ring
Slot 9 value: 70000 arm
Slot 10 value: 80000 waist
Slot 11 value: 90000 leg
Slot 12 value: 100000 shoot
Slot 13 value: 110000 ammo
Also, on E+, AP is value 692 on the page where you can find fame and karma. Useful if you're incredibly annoyed with the astral light pen AP requirement, though if you're playing no cheats, this isn't really relevant.
Still hoping to find one shining wave artifact in order to be able to identify the value its using.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 04:57:41 am
Post by: Astral on June 08, 2013, 05:13:59 am
Post by: Tarran on June 08, 2013, 05:25:20 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 06:31:54 am
I've never gone into any moongates. What do i stand to gain and lose by entering them? How dangerous is it?
In vanilla Elona, the possibility of encountering (almost) infinite wishes. And the occasional cNPC crystal, allowing you to bring their exclusive creatures to your world.
In Elona+, the wishing thing has been removed, and bubble rooms are near useless anyway (you don't want to be gaining levels).
So are there any complete/semicomplete English versions of Elona+, preferably with a link? My Japanese is extremely rusty, considering I took 4 years of it in high school (and am now 5 years past that) and I wouldn't mind being able to play a tweaked version of the game, though my track record with it tended to be horrendous.
English version keeps most of North Tyris translated. Some (extremely few) lines are translated, but as Tarran has said, there are a lot of errors in the text.
It's still worth getting because of its tweaks anyway.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 07:06:11 am
I've never gone into any moongates. What do i stand to gain and lose by entering them? How dangerous is it?
In vanilla Elona, the possibility of encountering (almost) infinite wishes. And the occasional cNPC crystal, allowing you to bring their exclusive creatures to your world.
In Elona+, the wishing thing has been removed, and bubble rooms are near useless anyway (you don't want to be gaining levels).
What can I get from moongates in Elona+ then? Do I incur the usual penalties for dying in a moongate?
Which deeds are better to get first? Should I start with a ranch, a shop, a museum, or a better house? Should I be actively trying to improve my house rank?
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 07:47:07 am
A ranch is worth having if you can tame a creature that can breed fast and produce stat-boosting corpses like putits, ghosts, and hands of the dead. You should consider making a rabbit ranch to farm for their fluffy tails that, if ingested, will increase luck by one.
A museum is a better choice than a shop to have first, because in museums, all you need to do is to design a wide area and put figures and cards in it, which will improve your salary quickly due to 50gp per rank, whereas shops need a good negotiator with high charisma in order to sell items with a nice bonus in price, which are pretty hard to come by (the slave master sells good starter shopkeepers; it just takes some leveling up in order to get them, which you may not want). And of course, the best way to get item stock is to loot dungeons, which isn't an easy endeavor.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 08:52:19 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 08, 2013, 09:28:51 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 09:37:46 am
If someone used a potion of descent and then leveled up again, would they get another 5 points to spend on skills?
Yes. Tested this just now.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 09:49:30 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 09:51:19 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 10:42:39 am
Assuming you get a pair of pretty rare potions of descent and a bunch of holy water in the first place. :P
Why would you waste the holy water to regain the level? just drop your level a bunch of times with all the potions... it'll go back up on its own soon enough.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 11:17:35 am
Post by: The Scout on June 08, 2013, 12:58:21 pm
Post by: alway on June 08, 2013, 01:22:41 pm
(you don't want to be gaining levels).People keep saying this, but why?
From all I can tell, gaining levels is a good thing, especially in E+.
Post by: Ivefan on June 08, 2013, 01:31:15 pm
What you gain in skills you loose in mp/hp
Post by: Robsoie on June 08, 2013, 01:31:29 pm
That's the only reason to try to keep your level low i think.
But in Elona+, thanks to the nice Travelling skill upgrade, it compensate very well the potential problem when leveling up.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 01:45:06 pm
Karma penalties and shiz. Elona+, that's a different thing. Levels are actually quite nice there, and if you even hope to tame creatures with domination, you need to level up anyway.(you don't want to be gaining levels).People keep saying this, but why?
From all I can tell, gaining levels is a good thing, especially in E+.
If anything, levels are late game stuff: :P
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 02:11:49 pm
Post by: alway on June 08, 2013, 02:14:46 pm
@ygdrad: You are safe from it in your house. If you're magically inclined, this is a great opportunity to stock your fridge with food beforehand, then spend that first week of those months just training spells. Hence my Etherwind Festival I mentioned earlier. Alternatively, those skill textbooks go through time extremely fast. Get one of those, then read that, and you will go through it pretty much as fast as shelter-time.
Post by: Tarran on June 08, 2013, 02:18:37 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 02:24:09 pm
I just wait in the city doing various things or at my house. You don't need to sit just next to the innkeeper, it actually takes a fair bit of time for Ether to get you assuming you weren't just about to get a disease effect (I know this because I tried to get a nice disease effect for a while running back and forth on the world map but no luck). Though I do recommend extra caution until you get two or three cure potions.
I have yet to find any cure corruption potions.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 08, 2013, 02:33:43 pm
Now to head to the snow area and pickpocket dead trees to raise my skill.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 08, 2013, 02:48:45 pm
I just wait in the city doing various things or at my house. You don't need to sit just next to the innkeeper, it actually takes a fair bit of time for Ether to get you assuming you weren't just about to get a disease effect (I know this because I tried to get a nice disease effect for a while running back and forth on the world map but no luck). Though I do recommend extra caution until you get two or three cure potions.
I have yet to find any cure corruption potions.
Play blackjack. If a random event suddenly goes "Mewmewmew!", then it's a lucky day. That's the time when you start playing blackjack like crazy, due to the humongous bonus of 777 luck.
Etherwind, you can avoid it if you are in town by talking to the innkeeper and asking them to 'take you to the shelter'.
Post by: Robsoie on June 08, 2013, 02:52:33 pm
With a 5 chips bet, it's only 4 times in a row.
So once you get the "Lucky Day" status (happens rarely when you wake up from sleeping in a bed), run to a casino (Palmia has one by example) and get lots of Cure Corruption potions this way.
I noticed i obtained a lot more of those potions in Elona+ 1.19 than when i played the default Elona from dungeon random loots, finding one from time to time even on the ground of Puppy Cave.
Probably because i invested in Luck a lot (items+feat)
Post by: Ivefan on June 08, 2013, 02:54:33 pm
I guess I can invest in magic shops to the max.
Post by: Blaze on June 08, 2013, 02:58:27 pm
Also, Elona+ changed the rules for casino prizes. Dunno how much.
Anyone got suggestions on how to get potions of potential reliably? I know of the souvenir shop but that one is damn expensive and I don't have a high income.With 45 Alchemy you can craft potions of potential provided you have the materials.
I guess I can invest in magic shops to the max.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 08, 2013, 03:09:57 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 08, 2013, 03:14:44 pm
With 45 Alchemy you can craft potions of potential provided you have the materials.Yeah. But I expect that I need to go through higher dungeons and if I could do that I could probably afford to buy the potions.
Post by: Patchy on June 08, 2013, 03:30:35 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 04:00:32 pm
Does anyone know exactly what it does? Can it cause spells to cost more mana than usual?
Post by: Ochita on June 08, 2013, 04:18:57 pm
I think that means it can also use more/less charge as well, although Im not sure on that front.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 05:15:00 pm
Post by: Niveras on June 08, 2013, 05:28:04 pm
Not sure if those were what you were referring to in the first place, as opposed to actually-static dungeons like Tower of Fire that are part of the main quest.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 05:32:42 pm
Post by: Steele on June 08, 2013, 05:41:59 pm
Aside from the puppy cave, are there other random dungeons, and more importantly, are there any which have a boss and reward you every time you go through them? Are there any reliable way of resetting static dungeons early on to use them as a source of platinum?There is a command that forces a map to reset, but it's considered cheating.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Cheating#Resetting_a_town_or_level
Post by: alway on June 08, 2013, 06:09:00 pm
Invest in the magic vendors. Then just check their shops as you run around the towns doin whatever it is you do. Good way to get various nice scrolls and potions.This. Also keep in mind Lumiest has a vendor at the entrance of the mage guild and inside the mage guild. Invest in both for even more good stuff from Lumiest. Assuming of course you are in the mage guild.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 06:20:31 pm
Post by: alway on June 08, 2013, 06:39:07 pm
I don't really want to cheat though :(. I just want a sustainable method of gaining platinum through combat rather than running between towns, doing very little for hours. Are jobs from towns really the only reliable source of platinum?In E+ at high levels, I've actually sort of stopped caring much about plats. It sounds blasphemous and counter to everything you're told about leveling... but they're too much of a hassle for me to bother. I still get them, but only the 2-4 or so from dungeons. As a result, I don't get to train my skills much from the trainers. And yet my potentials are all higher than they've ever been.
The secret is Big Daddies. When you hit high enough levels to take these down, you can reliably use them to keep all your skill potentials up. Eating a little sister gives something like +5-10% potential to all skills. Every few dungeons has one, and since I'm relying on dungeons for just about all my loot these days, it's actually really effective. And a hell of a lot less boring, shitty, and grindy than running the same quests designed for level 5 players over and over again. Of course keep in mind that this is very much a giant trade-off, as you're effectively giving up the ability to ever do little sister quests, which themselves have not-insignificant rewards: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Little_sister
Because yeah, getting plats is boring, shitty, and grindy. And you have to do a lot of it early on, sad to say. People have mentioned Yacatect stuff, but really, that's just a drop in the bucket compared to the big numbers of them you need.
However, there is something I noticed; not sure whether it is tied to fame or level, as I started noticing it when I sopped caring about keeping my fame down. Later on, quests start giving 1-3 plats, rather than just 1. So it gets slightly better, but not by much.
Post by: Blaze on June 08, 2013, 06:51:40 pm
Post by: alway on June 08, 2013, 06:57:07 pm
Post by: Markus on June 08, 2013, 07:02:40 pm
Admittedly, I don't see why I'd drop Eyth. He's a cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything, like getting his altars aligned to one of the more famous gods. And he doesn't spam your chatbox when you have equipment which "Receives signals."
Post by: Ivefan on June 08, 2013, 07:03:47 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 07:06:30 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 08, 2013, 07:30:28 pm
It should be obvious what happens next.
So, besides Eyth, which deity is nicest to the player-not stat wise, I mean personality wise. Mani's pretty fair, but does complain about your fleshy bits every once in a while. Jure. . . is obviously not helping you or anything, right?Eh... I'd have to go with Yacatect, a mite too energetic though.
Kumiromi is nice, but rather distant.
Itzpalt is nice, but in more of a mentor-type attitude.
Ehekatl really cares about you... maybe? She seems to have more than a few screws loose.
Opatos is BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Lulwy seems to be into master/servant relationships.
wonder if doing the quest for happy apples is worthwhile. luck is so intangibleYou can buy happy apples/hero cheese/magic fruit using music tickets from performance quests once you can access South Tyris.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 07:36:48 pm
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5025
Post by: alway on June 08, 2013, 07:37:56 pm
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The recipe must be bought from a souvenir vendor, and costs 1,500,000 gold before negotiation price reduction.Frugal shoppers with high fire resistance everywhere agree: The best way to get a great deal this holiday is to release fire giants to burn the town to the ground.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 08:46:19 pm
What to wish for...
Post by: Markus on June 08, 2013, 08:53:18 pm
Just got my first wish. My pet drank from a well. I was walking around and the text entry thing popped up. I thought i had opened the chat by mistake and pressed escape and it wouldn't close. I was about to see if typing something random would make it go away when I noticed the chat and figured out it was a wish.Lots. Lots and lots to chose from, and lots of ways to waste it. Additionally, the result of the wish is at least partially dependent on your level. I leave it up to you whether to wait or to use it now, as both have their advantages. The wiki has some good info on it, but don't just jump at the next big artifact. . .
What to wish for...
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 08:59:01 pm
Just got my first wish. My pet drank from a well. I was walking around and the text entry thing popped up. I thought i had opened the chat by mistake and pressed escape and it wouldn't close. I was about to see if typing something random would make it go away when I noticed the chat and figured out it was a wish.Lots. Lots and lots to chose from, and lots of ways to waste it. Additionally, the result of the wish is at least partially dependent on your level. I leave it up to you whether to wait or to use it now, as both have their advantages. The wiki has some good info on it, but don't just jump at the next big artifact. . .
What to wish for...
Wait... I can hold on to the wish for later o.O?
I just don't know what to wish for, or what i can and can't wish for though. The wiki doesn't give a complete list of all wishes(I'm sure that would be too big to list). Any suggestions for a low-level dual-wielding fairy thief?
Post by: Blaze on June 08, 2013, 09:14:13 pm
I suppose Holy well charges can be "held" as well. They aren't guaranteed wishes but they have a much higher chance of granting a wish.
The general consensus is getting seven league boots first. A happy bed is a good wish at it means better dreams, but more importantly, fewer bad dreams. I generally go for "evolution" for potions of evolution after that.
Post by: alway on June 08, 2013, 09:24:35 pm
Post by: Farce on June 08, 2013, 09:50:04 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 08, 2013, 09:58:23 pm
Can I download the old music somewhere? I don't like the new stuff Elona+ has. :x
Can't you just download the vanilla Elona, transfer the sounds from the "sound" folder, and then replace(but preferably edit) user\music\musiclist.txt ?
Well,that's what you have to do anyways no matter what.
Post by: Ivefan on June 09, 2013, 06:23:53 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 09, 2013, 06:37:38 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 09, 2013, 06:45:09 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 09, 2013, 06:47:26 am
Stuff your fridge full of veggies, fish or fruit. I only have one farm and i can't even use all the veggies.
o.O I can only put a handful of things in the fridge before it complains it's full. How are you fitting 12 days' worth of food in there?
Post by: Ivefan on June 09, 2013, 06:59:34 am
Post by: Patchy on June 09, 2013, 08:04:20 am
Post by: alexwazer on June 09, 2013, 08:25:48 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 09, 2013, 08:53:01 am
Edit: :( I rushed stealth to 30 to get the "Shadow Step" ability. My character is lv9 and just hit stealth lv30 but doesn't have the ability. Found out about the ability on this wiki page (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action_%28Elona%2B%29). Does anyone know if there are other requirements not mentioned on the page?
Post by: Blaze on June 09, 2013, 09:09:32 am
You can scum furniture shops if you're not willing to wait long enough for shops to reset their inventory.
Post by: Drakale on June 09, 2013, 10:08:33 am
Post by: alway on June 09, 2013, 12:31:09 pm
For the barbecue, invest in the furniture sellers at The Embassy north of Palmia. Eventually one will show up, though they're somewhat rare. This is also a good way of getting an 'eastern bed' to show up. Those are great because it means you can sleep anywhere and with better quality than all but a couple places in the world. Have a heavy high-quality one at your home, but an eastern bed for on the road, since they weigh a mere 2s. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Bed
Post by: amjh on June 09, 2013, 01:07:22 pm
Post by: Markus on June 09, 2013, 02:32:04 pm
Api nuts and healthy leaves don't weight much, never rot and can be found everywhere.I don't think Chestnuts rot either, though they can also be thrown for bleeding damage.
In addition, you could stock up antiseptic and mix it with other foods to make ANYTHING incorruptible-though, with how little I find antiseptic you might want to save it for special occasions.
Post by: Kaitol on June 09, 2013, 02:51:18 pm
Post by: The Scout on June 09, 2013, 03:22:00 pm
Post by: alway on June 09, 2013, 03:22:23 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
To sacrifice, hit enter when standing on the altar.
Post by: Tarran on June 09, 2013, 04:44:26 pm
Post by: Markus on June 09, 2013, 05:28:34 pm
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! Now I have someplace to store my infinite putties.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 09, 2013, 06:29:22 pm
Post by: Markus on June 09, 2013, 06:39:28 pm
Is there some optimal way to farm pets at the ranch for more/better corpses? I read that the more you brush them the more bonuses the corpse has. Is there a certain number of them i should keep alive or a number of times i should brush them before stabbing them?Don't forget that your anatomy skill still helps, even if they're on the ranch. In fact, high anatomy can ensure that there are more than one corpse per pet.
Personally, I rub them three or four times *regardless* of whether or not I have a big brush. Be warned, however, that I do it like that to ensure I don't overdo it-which I don't even know if it's POSSIBLE.
A big brush boosts the effect of rubbing, but I don't think it raises or lowers the limit on times you can rub.
Post by: Blaze on June 09, 2013, 07:41:24 pm
They tweaked the super attack system quite a bit, related changes are:
Only enemies over level 130 will use specials.
Enemies in Lost Irva can use specials at level 50. (Lost Irva is another area accessible after beating S.Tyris).
Enemies in No Future mode have no restrictions. (No future is essentially hard mode and can be chosen when creating a character.)
Specials will no longer charge when friendlies of the same type die.
Charge gain from damage is capped.
Enemies that max out their special charge can't use it after getting killed. (Bugfix)
Specials are significantly nerfed, they rely more on equipment than stats.
Specials now do extra damage to stronger monsters if you have the Courage feat.
Pets set in defense mode can drain enemy charge using their own charge.
Gameplay changes:
Pets will automatically switch to offensive mode when entered in the pet arena.
Pets will use Fishing, Detection, Gardening, Mining, and Gene Engineer to gather items while in dungeons. "i"nteract and talk with them to receive the items.
Thieves now do a guaranteed critical hit when attacking an enemy that hasn't noticed them.
Pets can be transferred to heirs. Requires a relationship of Soulmate or higher.
Other stuff:
More enemies. Some new enemy sprites.
New Instruments.
The number of Little Sisters that you've saved/killed are shown in the journal.
More effects added to the Tamer's Whip.
You can see your pet's special charge using a stethoscope.
You can use a pot of fusion to create supergems by combining ores. Not sure what it's used for.
Ranged pets in the arena will attack even if the enemy is not at optimum range, preventing running in circles endlessly.
A new... "Squeeze" skill that you can use on pets... success depends on relationship and strength...
Supposedly there's a way to pass pets on to heirs.
- You need a relationship of soulmate or higher and the pet will take a big hit to stats/skills.
- Go to the Showroom.
- Bring up the menu and press F8, you do not need an internet connection.
- You'll receive a gene item that you can pass to your heir.
- Bring said gene back to the showroom to get your pet back.
That's what the instructions say but I can't figure it out.
Post by: Robsoie on June 09, 2013, 07:57:27 pm
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Only enemies over level 130 will use specials.If it's right, it's basically telling that those annoying specials are then no more, because if i trust this :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Bestiary
The only monsters that are level 130 or above are 1 NPC in a South Tyris town and the gods you can summon through wishes.
So that's going to be only an annoyance for people going into the optional Void dungeon (for which you must spend a very lot of medals to buy the license to enter it) .
Post by: Alkhemia on June 09, 2013, 08:05:47 pm
Great news !Well stuff in act 3 will use them at 50QuoteOnly enemies over level 130 will use specials.If it's right, it's basically telling that those annoying specials are then no more, because if i trust this :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Bestiary
The only monsters that are level 130 or above are 1 NPC in a South Tyris town and the gods you can summon through wishes.
So that's going to be only an annoyance for people going into the optional Void dungeon (for which you must spend a very lot of medals to buy the license to enter it) .
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 09, 2013, 08:14:51 pm
Also I think squeeze is hugging, which is from 1.19. But it might not be the same thing.
Also also AAAAAAA UPDATING!!!!
Post by: Robsoie on June 09, 2013, 09:12:05 pm
Already 50 hours invested in that character and i'm not at the end of Act1 yet.
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There are plenty of really strong >130 enemies... but they shouldn't be a problem since they should only appear when you're at ridiculous levels with ridiculous skills and power too.Well in the bestiary, there are extremely few +level 130 monsters, in fact you should meet none of them unless you really want to (they're gods being summoned by a wish and for some reason you want to attack them after that).
Out of the special (and fortunately optional) Void dungeon that boost the existing levels of every monsters by a lot in it.
monster levels apparently is not based on your own or your skills, but the higher level you are, the monsters you'll encounter in the wild will be selected from the higher level ones too according to wiki.
Though maybe if you count the summoned escorts of the world map encountered merchants if you decide to attack them, i remember seeing a level 100 guy while i was rather low level at the time, so maybe those get even stronger with you.
Post by: Felius on June 09, 2013, 09:31:03 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 09, 2013, 09:46:32 pm
Can we have an easy download link for 1.21?Is it even out? The elona + wiki does not have it yet or last I looked at least.
Post by: Markus on June 09, 2013, 09:56:38 pm
The thing with the bestiary is it's still somewhat incomplete in certain areas-it prety much forces you to go one by one and see which enemies are actually what level.
Also, don't forget the void adding onto a creatures normal levels.
Post by: Sir Finkus on June 09, 2013, 10:00:39 pm
Can we have an easy download link for 1.21?Sure, as soon as it's released.
Post by: Blaze on June 09, 2013, 10:17:02 pm
I went ahead and uploaded it to mediafire since the original link is on AXFC which many seem averse to.
http://www.mediafire.com/?x3mb2ie6a0qyf1a
Post by: Zangi on June 09, 2013, 11:05:04 pm
Post by: alway on June 09, 2013, 11:31:49 pm
Also, apparently bards can drop cursed hermes blood on occasion.
Post by: etgfrog on June 10, 2013, 12:30:34 am
Also, apparently bards can drop cursed hermes blood on occasion.the question becomes...were they carrying it as an anti-theft or holding onto it until they found a blessed bottle of water?
Post by: alway on June 10, 2013, 12:36:09 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 10, 2013, 02:33:31 am
Ah, it's on the development build page, that's probably why most don't see it.Do you think I can update with no adverse effects? like crashes.
I went ahead and uploaded it to mediafire since the original link is on AXFC which many seem averse to.
http://www.mediafire.com/?x3mb2ie6a0qyf1a
Post by: Blaze on June 10, 2013, 06:27:15 am
Or just not have crappy internet.
Post by: Ivefan on June 10, 2013, 07:23:08 am
It should be fine. I noticed the game can sometimes freeze on load if your internet connection sucksI think that applies to all versions.
Post by: Kaitol on June 10, 2013, 10:33:39 am
Never had to transfer between versions before.
Post by: Tarran on June 10, 2013, 10:43:42 am
But regardless, perhaps you should try after backing up.
Post by: Patchy on June 10, 2013, 10:44:49 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 10, 2013, 11:12:16 am
Post by: Kaitol on June 10, 2013, 11:23:05 am
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 10, 2013, 11:28:01 am
Cook the large stack and profit/feast!
If you're really paranoid about food items, it's still much more cost-efficient to ID a giant stack (which counts as one ID) than each individual food item.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 10, 2013, 11:33:28 am
Is it possible to run a farm without kumiromi? Can you get enough seeds?
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 10, 2013, 11:40:12 am
I guess I should get a farm. If you get 3 stacks, I guess you could always identify one of the smaller stacks, you'll know for sure which is cursed then.
Farms are a pretty good investment. Gardening is easy to level because of the Harvest Time quests, and Cooking your produce is one of the best long-term sources of stat gain.
Worshiping Kumiromi will really pump the farm into high gear, but the changes made to Elona+ (particularly the changes to Harvest Time, the Gardening skill, and the addition of Organic Fertilizer) have made it possible to have a successful farm without taking Kumiromi.
Post by: alway on June 10, 2013, 11:46:54 am
If you eat cursed food while red hungry It will put you in starving, and if you eat it while starving it CAN flat out kill you.If done too often in a short period of time, it can also trigger 'anorexia,' which is very bad. Any solid food acts as if it's cursed, causing further vomiting. Have fun surviving starvation when you can't eat.
Post by: etgfrog on June 10, 2013, 01:32:58 pm
If done too often in a short period of time, it can also trigger 'anorexia,' which is very bad. Any solid food acts as if it's cursed, causing further vomiting. Have fun surviving starvation when you can't eat.You however can eat snow for substance to fix the problem...
Post by: alway on June 10, 2013, 01:36:19 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 10, 2013, 01:42:48 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 11, 2013, 03:09:35 pm
Post by: Drakale on June 11, 2013, 03:36:53 pm
Speed is the only bonus AFAIK, plus you get small malus to your to-hit % and spell success.
This one is conjecture, but the pet do not have to lose round for movements and merely do an attack on adjacent enemies every time it's speed cooldown is up.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 11, 2013, 04:34:37 pm
This one is conjecture, but the pet do not have to lose round for movements and merely do an attack on adjacent enemies every time it's speed cooldown is up.
This is a bonus for the pet then. One could boost the performance of a pet by giving it free movement turns. Will have to try and play around with that.
Post by: Robsoie on June 11, 2013, 04:38:31 pm
And noticed that the catsister in fact was rather bad, being only level 1 and melee only while i'm at a rather advanced stage of the act1, meaning then "cat sister" is doomed to die repeatedly from the strong enemies i find now.
I gave a look to the wiki to check if i wasn't missing something and noticed :
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Elona+ also gives you the ability to give pets new abilities and change AI routines, which may be necessary for making use of the cat sister's abilities, especially considering her routine is melee.
So that could be the solution, giving her ranged weapon so the character is not wasting its time meleeing everything that is more powerfull.
Then my question is ... how do you change the AI to ranged instead of melee for that character ?
The only skill i have that seems to have an impact on the AI is "Directive".
But when i give the AI the "Directive" :
- Onslaught -> it's default AI apparently, the cat sister rushes to attack anything in melee even if i gave her only a rifle and a bullet, it never use the rifle
- Defense -> the AI does not attack anything at melee, that's good ... but it does not attack anything at range too, never use the rifle that's extremely bad then
- Intercept -> the cat sister still does not use her rifle and bullet at all and insist in rushing to any monster she can.
So is the wiki just plain wrong on that "ai routine" case or is there another way to do that and that i missed ?
Post by: Alkhemia on June 11, 2013, 04:47:44 pm
I was surprised to find a "catsister diary" while clearing a dungeon (as they're supposed to be extremely rare apparently) so i decided to give a look at that "cat sister" ally in my personnal army.Once you beat Act One you can talk to a guy that let's you spend AP on new abilities pet also get AP and you can spend it to change their AI
And noticed that the catsister in fact was rather bad, being only level 1 and melee only while i'm at a rather advanced stage of the act1, meaning then "cat sister" is doomed to die repeatedly from the strong enemies i find now.
I gave a look to the wiki to check if i wasn't missing something and noticed :QuoteElona+ also gives you the ability to give pets new abilities and change AI routines, which may be necessary for making use of the cat sister's abilities, especially considering her routine is melee.
So that could be the solution, giving her ranged weapon so the character is not wasting its time meleeing everything that is more powerfull.
Then my question is ... how do you change the AI to ranged instead of melee for that character ?
The only skill i have that seems to have an impact on the AI is "Directive".
But when i give the AI the "Directive" :
- Onslaught -> it's default AI apparently, the cat sister rushes to attack anything in melee even if i gave her only a rifle and a bullet, it never use the rifle
- Defense -> the AI does not attack anything at melee, that's good ... but it does not attack anything at range too, never use the rifle that's extremely bad then
- Intercept -> the cat sister still does not use her rifle and bullet at all and insist in rushing to any monster she can.
So is the wiki just plain wrong on that "ai routine" case or is there another way to do that and that i missed ?
the npc is the guy right outside of the cyberdome.
Post by: Robsoie on June 11, 2013, 04:54:16 pm
A reason finally to complete that act1 instead of clearing those lv30 random dungeons popping around.
Post by: Tarran on June 11, 2013, 05:24:26 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 11, 2013, 05:29:11 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 11, 2013, 05:30:41 pm
Post by: Patchy on June 11, 2013, 09:16:22 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 11, 2013, 09:42:58 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 11, 2013, 09:48:53 pm
AFAIK, you can raise your pet's speed by:
Potions of Speed Upper/Hermes Blood
Spending AP.
Having them eat quickling corpses.
Giving them Traveling/Swimming which train speed as their increase.
Post by: Robsoie on June 11, 2013, 10:01:00 pm
In other news, looks like i have been lucky, i noticed a level 10+ "Hunting" mission (didn't thought they could be so high difficulty level, maybe that's because i decided to try to get as much fame as possible to unlock those 2 high fame dependant missions) that spawned some hard monsters (good that my army of minions is not bad at all and my magic dart is extremely powerfull) and in the middle of them an unique "Isca the Fallen Angel"
She was rather strong, but we managed to defeat her, and she asked me to join, that i accepted.
That's the 2nd "unique" character that spawn in a hard "Hunting" mission i do and ask me to join on defeat.
The 1st one was "Goda the captain of orc" that while less strong than Isca has some rather nice stats
Here a group photo of my current army with the Goose (servant from Yacatect of Wealth) and the Exile (servants from Itzpalt of Element) :
(http://i.imgur.com/cxu8MEK.jpg)
The 3 bells have done a great job for the whole duration of the adventure so far (they have good artefacts machineguns and bullets) Exile did some good damage dealing job but he's a bit squishy unfortunately for him but hopefully i'll get him stronger once i get the gene engineering thing working.
the original ally i got, the "little girl", is very resilient, usually the last of my troopers to survive when there's a lot of damage coming their way.
I'll have to train Silence a lot now if i want to take on that Zeome guy though, moregrinding to do.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 11, 2013, 10:15:12 pm
Shield bash: "When equipped with a shield, your character will occasionally bash the target with their shield."
Does anyone know what causes shield bash to happen? Is it on getting attacked? Is it when you attack, and if so does it matter what kind of attack you made as long as it is in melee range? This one is kind of a pain to test since the chance to bash will be 1-6% on a character with low shield skill.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 11, 2013, 10:22:02 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 11, 2013, 10:38:35 pm
Only a few monsters seem to have it, the easiest ones that have Travelling (putit, sheep, frog etc...) are unfortunately 1 hit killed by my character even when not wielding weapons, so i can't use any of those capture balls like i did on those crabs to get the gene machine.
And stronger monsters with Travelling that then could be captured without finding those extremely rare domination spell/rods are simply more powerfull than the cat sister so it would be a complete waste to use them for her.
I wish i didn't found that ally that late in the game, so capturing the low level monsters with Travelling ability would have been still possible, i guess once i get a new good one, it's goodbye to the cat sister.
Post by: etgfrog on June 11, 2013, 10:45:42 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 11, 2013, 10:47:33 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 11, 2013, 10:49:21 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 11, 2013, 10:53:54 pm
ow...just ow...updated my save to 1.21 and went into the void, fought a earth elemental that was probably level 200, it uses its special and hits my tank pet for around 10k
Post by: Ygdrad on June 12, 2013, 12:06:41 am
Post by: Robsoie on June 12, 2013, 01:58:23 am
I reached him and tested, on easily 10 zaps silencing worked only once (and for very few turns as he could heal himself and annihilate my minions with his high damage area spell a few turns later)
That with Magic Device at 25, meaning that Zeome was casting his killing spells for 9 turns while i was wasting 9 turns not damaging him, so i guess Magic Device must be much higher (and so lots of more hours grinding) ?
I have grinded my Mist of Silence spell to level 25 too (buying tons and tons of silence spellbook from my magician guild and grinding it in the wilderness)
I have not tried with the spell itself , as i didn't started to grind at the time i tested with Zeome, but as i read that the rod of silence is supposed more reliable, i wonder how much insane more grinding i will need then to have the spell works at least half of the time instead of 1 on 10
Post by: etgfrog on June 12, 2013, 02:38:18 am
Quote from: Wiki
Hex (debuffing) spells can be resisted. All such spells have a "power" (as do hex-removing spells) that invisibly determines how difficult it is to resist a hex spell. Hexes also have elements, and resistances apply to reducing hex effectiveness, as well. Higher-level creatures require greater hex power to overcome resistance, and boss-type monsters have an innate bonus against hexes.
anyways, if your magic device is 25 and your getting 1/10 then its probably at level 100 or so it will be half of the time, but it will be useful in general if you upgrade to 1.21 as using rods to stop the use of specials will be almost desirable.
Well...found something interesting...pets with the skill detection can give you materials they collect...dont know the limits of it but noticed the option to recieve materials from a pet and the only skill that was unique to that pet was having detection.
Post by: JosephWongKS on June 12, 2013, 04:10:30 am
Giving Travelling to a pet will be harder than i thought, as apparently none of the slaves available from Derphy has Travelling from what i looked on the wiki.
Little girls have Travelling, but you need two of them. The first one will grant Investing, the second one will grant Travelling.
Post by: Zangi on June 12, 2013, 08:49:20 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 12, 2013, 09:38:55 am
A strategy that could have some use would be to use the Blood Moon mace from Quruiza (if you're fighting Zeome you have no excuse to not have it) to drain all his MP so that he overcasts and destroys himself. However, I don't know how often the MP drain effect procs.
His area spell (and the only one he uses besides Cure of Jure and Summon Annoying Mobs) is Chaos Ball so if you stack chaos resistance as high as you can, you might not die in one hit. Even though I was wielding the Staff of Chaos which gives superb #####+ chaos resist, I still took pretty serious damage when he used Chaos Ball. My pets, on the other hand, just died outright.
Post by: alway on June 12, 2013, 12:46:38 pm
I haven't heard too much about draining his MP as a strategy, but I've also heard suggestions that he simply has too much to drain or overcast himself to death. So good luck with that strategy, but it probably won't work.
I found a slow/silence combo to be effective myself. The slow makes him attack less and makes the silence last longer. Then it's just a matter of using high damage spells to finish him.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 12, 2013, 01:30:11 pm
can you just nuke him?
Post by: Ivefan on June 12, 2013, 01:42:06 pm
When will I start finding scrolls of feather and growth? or how much do I have to invest in a shop to get them?(e+1.21)
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 12, 2013, 01:58:39 pm
How does the run up and hit him with my sword strategy work on him?He probably has too much HP to nuke to death. Hitting him will work fine though.
can you just nuke him?
I haven't heard too much about draining his MP as a strategy, but I've also heard suggestions that he simply has too much to drain or overcast himself to death. So good luck with that strategy, but it probably won't work.
Spoiler: how I beat the game (click to show/hide)
Post by: Robsoie on June 12, 2013, 02:03:15 pm
I'll have to try the "2 little girls" trick for the gene machine, after grinding a bit after purchasing the expensive "Sage's Helm" at Miral and Garok's workshop, i have slowly managed to get enough medals again to go purchase a dominate rod.
Finding little girls is not that hard as they're often spawning in the dungeons i visit so it will be easy to get them controlled and get the gene merging going for that catsister ally, she has a lot of speed so she could be usefull when she'll get enough level and Travelling will surely help once she gets it.
The "higher level than him" that alway mentionned made me curious, and after looking around some Elona discussion it seems that being higher level than your target makes a huge difference in term of your resistance to their attack and their resistance to your attacks.
I'm far from the level 55 Zeome is (just reached being level 36 after 60 hours of that character), so that may possibly explain why his chaos attacks are so devastating on me despite i have lots of chaos resistance (my poor minions are killed in 1 or 2 turns due to the lack of chaos res items i could give them) and why my powerfull magic dart does not hit him as hard as it does on strong monsters (but that do not have that much levels in difference with my character).
Though from my tests, i'm not far to be able to defeat him (i have foreced him on healing many times), the only real problem is the Silence being too unreliable on his high resistance to it, if only it worked in my first zaps on him i think he would be easily dead, but by the time i manage to have a zap working, my minions are dead due to his chaos spell spam.
Post by: Ivefan on June 12, 2013, 02:11:21 pm
Post by: Zangi on June 12, 2013, 02:46:21 pm
Did something glitch with the "art of 'skill'" books? I spent a storm indoors reading and noticed that i didn't get anything in the skillHuh, come to think of it... I did notice that they've done nothing when I checked... that was in 1.9
Post by: Alkhemia on June 12, 2013, 02:57:47 pm
Yeah same they might be busted or something in 1.20 same as the workout bike seems to only pass time.Did something glitch with the "art of 'skill'" books? I spent a storm indoors reading and noticed that i didn't get anything in the skillHuh, come to think of it... I did notice that they've done nothing when I checked... that was in 1.9
Post by: Robsoie on June 12, 2013, 03:19:05 pm
I have a shelter i installed in the home cave and i left an Anatomy book on the floor. To test i went in and read it
Before
Anatomy : 28.486 (63%)
After reading
Anatomy : 28.489 (63%)
Looks like it works but only with extremely small gain (unless it's because i have only 63% potential for it, i can't say as i don't have another book for a skill i have high potential)
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 12, 2013, 03:28:46 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 12, 2013, 03:35:20 pm
When I noticed I went and tried evasion and faith books to see if it was just the MC book but that didn't work either.
Anyway, a question that got lost in the past; Anyone know when/where or how much I'll have to invest to start get scrolls of feather & Growth?
And I'll just throw it out there, but with the spell level changes a mage is quite good now. My Magic Arrow is now level 97 and does 16d54.
Post by: alway on June 12, 2013, 03:44:55 pm
Anyway, a question that got lost in the past; Anyone know when/where or how much I'll have to invest to start get scrolls of feather & Growth?I've seen maybe 1 of each, if that, and I've got 3 magic shops I regularly visit up to level 100+. So yeah, the answer to that is 'a lot,' if by start to get them you mean making them relatively common.
Post by: etgfrog on June 12, 2013, 03:47:25 pm
But anyways, the recieve materials from pets happens when you talk with them and is a limit of once per day...not sure what other requirements but it was something recently added to elona+ so I guess all the skills are going to be made to be useful on pets.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 12, 2013, 03:57:10 pm
The amount gained gets reduces quite a bit the higher the skill is
But anyways, the recieve materials from pets happens when you talk with them and is a limit of once per day...not sure what other requirements but it was something recently added to elona+ so I guess all the skills are going to be made to be useful on pets.
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Pets will use Fishing, Detection, Gardening, Mining, and Gene Engineer to gather items while in dungeons. "i"nteract and talk with them to receive the items.from the change log from Blaze's post
Post by: etgfrog on June 12, 2013, 04:03:46 pm
from the change log from Blaze's postThanks for that, I didn't notice this change and actually enjoy it as now
Post by: Robsoie on June 12, 2013, 06:57:26 pm
After doing some experiments with the gene machine in Derphy with the slaves (needed 3 little girls to be able to give the Travelling skill to the catsister) and gave the marksman skill to my bells (just a punk slave is enough) i went adventuring and clearing dungeons.
After a while, as my gene engineering reached higher levels , enough probably for the too high level before bell to receive the marksman skill, i went back home and ... remembered that i left the machine in Derphy.
Rushed there, worrying about the "cleaning" that regularly remove items/corspes and damn it, too late no more gene machine.
I guess i'll have to hope it appears in the item reward list from the Cyberdome little sister quest or grind and grind and regrind dungeons hoping to see one spawning.
Never, ever leave an important item in a town, i knew that but just forgot this for a few minutes.
At least in derphy i guess it fits the city background with the thieves everywhere.
Maybe nuking it as a revenge would be in the spirit of the game too :D
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 12, 2013, 06:58:25 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 12, 2013, 07:14:12 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/0bkXrBO.jpg)
A gene machine is now listed in the reward list !
Though, i will have to get more little sisters from the big daddies to be able to access again that reward after that, as i have done this quest a few times already (and each new time you need to free even more little sisters than before to get the reward again)
Post by: etgfrog on June 12, 2013, 07:58:57 pm
first option is the one for mutations
second is the mission briefing
third is history?
forth is leave conversation
after the first option:
first one is mutations for pets
second one is for yourself
third is go back
Post by: Tarran on June 12, 2013, 08:31:25 pm
Post by: beorn080 on June 12, 2013, 08:44:09 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2013, 09:13:56 pm
To get that fire resistance i took off a lot of my good gear and just replaced it with random items that give me some fire resistance but now i don't have really any darkness resistance. Any suggestions?
Post by: Patchy on June 12, 2013, 09:23:56 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 12, 2013, 09:30:32 pm
That's how i had an easy time in the tower of fire (though i was between level 25 - 30 and had very good items, and a highly damaging magic dart spell that made short work of the boss and his dragon) without risking any item loss to the fire.
Though i had to leave my minions at the tavern (i had not enough fireproof potions for every items i gave to them, only for mine) and of course get in the tower only with what i was wearing/wielding, leaving the other items at home.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2013, 09:32:39 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 12, 2013, 09:39:22 pm
Level isn't really a good measure of strength so I can't really tell how you'll fare. Make sure you eat Vesda's corpse for the big fire resistance boost.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on June 12, 2013, 09:45:34 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 13, 2013, 01:06:45 am
She costed me a lot of money but i hoped that would be worth it if she was a top10 warrior.
Then
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sexy Recollection Bargorum just got a win.
And that crazy amount of hour i wasted was only for the 1st act ?
Insane :D
Post by: Niveras on June 13, 2013, 05:03:23 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 13, 2013, 06:16:48 am
Post by: Micro102 on June 13, 2013, 06:23:22 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 13, 2013, 11:30:02 am
Also, what decides the gain when sleeping? I tend to get below 15% when resting just now I got 46% when I've never gotten more than 20 before in the same bed.
Post by: Robsoie on June 13, 2013, 12:09:52 pm
So i imagine randomness is working for everything else too regarding potential and skill gains.
Quote from: Niveras
By the way, what are those bars that appear on your pets when you accidentally hit them with things like fire or ice bolts (or whatever those spells are that hit things in a line)?
The bar below is their health (only if you have used the stethoscope on them) , in Elona+ there's another bar below that is their "special" attack gauge, it increase for every hits they do and recieve.
On top there's sometime a bubble indicating they're not happy when you hit them with a spell accidentally. A good idea to train the "Control Magic" spell to avoid half killing them.
Quote from: Micro102
After trying ADOM, it seems as though 90% of Elona game has been derived from it. I haven't gotten too far in ADOM but can someone who has tell me how similar Elona is to ADOM's late game?
Out of a few similarities (the puppy cave that is the same ADOM puppy quest, the tower of fire that act the same against your items and your fire resistance, the etherwind diseases that are chaos corruption in ADOM, the sacrifice in altar to gain favour until you're crowned and get items) , you'll see that ADOM is very different on the long run.
Elona has a lot of completely optional actions, dungeons etc to do, while ADOM has only some optional dungeons, and is overall more serious fantasy while Elona introduce a lot of humour elements to the setting. the map in Elona has much more locations, the random town missions do not exist in ADOM , there are only fixed quests.
The late game in Elona+ has a few similarity , as you get to the lowest level of the Dungeon quest (Lesimas) after collecting 3 stones to open closed stairs and must defeat Zeome to complete the game.
While in ADOM you must reach the lowest level of the Dungeon quest (Cavern of Chaos) after collecting 5 orbs to open the closed stairs and in the end close the Chaos gate (or if you met some specific conditions, enter the gate and beat what's inside for an alternate more complete ending)
But thanks to Elona+ , that's not the end, as you unlock the act2 and a whole new continent by beating Zeome, while in ADOM, it's the end.
Then in Elona, along optional random and fixed dungeons of various danger levels you have many, many (optional) things you can do when not following the main quest, while in ADOM you have some optional fixed dungeons but not much out of that.
ADOM is more serious themed, while Elona has a lot of (not always good taste) humour and parody.
In the end, both are really great games to play.
ADOM require a lot of spoilers (http://ancardia.wikia.com/wiki/ADOM_Wiki) reading to avoid crippling your character and chance to complete the game unfortunately (i completed ADOM once with a Grey Elven Wizard with the basic ending, but i think i couldn't have if i didn't read spoilers first, there are thing you must not do and things you must do that you can't know with what the game gives you as informations), while you may not need that much spoiler to complete the act1 of Elona+
Post by: etgfrog on June 13, 2013, 03:15:08 pm
Unlike the normal elona act you will need the wiki to help you because only some of it is untranslated and its very easy to miss what you need to do.
I recommend these two pages to help guide you through there
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Rehmido
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/South_Tyris
Post by: alway on June 13, 2013, 03:21:52 pm
Actually, it temporarily shows their health when you accidentally hit them, regardless of whether you used that or not. Similar to how you see enemies' health when you hit them.Quote from: NiverasBy the way, what are those bars that appear on your pets when you accidentally hit them with things like fire or ice bolts (or whatever those spells are that hit things in a line)?
The bar below is their health (only if you have used the stethoscope on them)
Post by: Robsoie on June 13, 2013, 03:31:24 pm
Good to kow.
So it sounds like you had fun, I'm assuming your going into act 2 next right?
Unlike the normal elona act you will need the wiki to help you because only some of it is untranslated and its very easy to miss what you need to do.
I recommend these two pages to help guide you through there
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Rehmido
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/South_Tyris
Thanks, i'll sure have to play with refering to the wiki, as i doubt untranslated quests and hints will be anything easy to figure out.
I ran this character for 70 hours, and in the end of act1 i felt that he wasn't strong enough and would surely have required probably a dozen more hours of grinding to be up to fight that boss in fair conditions (because in fact the victory i had was only because at some point -with lots of luck- a silence was not resisted by the boss, so i could finish him without him healing as easily as he did for many turns before) .
So is that going to be the same never ending grinding in act2 to get levels and skills up to the various bosses available or is it going to be shorter ?
I have read about an unfinished act3 but i can't imagine getting there one day if act2 is roughly the same length of act1
Post by: etgfrog on June 13, 2013, 04:28:26 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 13, 2013, 04:48:33 pm
That depends, I found it to be easy as I ended focusing alot of my efforts into a decent tank pet who...well is now carrying, it originaly was one of these(http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Fire@dragon_child), evolved it twice after gene engineering it to have all most of the normal body parts...its sitting at very high life, strength and con with it using 2 shields and letting its unarmed attack get out of control with the levels it was getting, I guess spamming wizard harvest carefully(casting it untill it had no stock then reading another charge of the book) and letting the pet take the gold instead of myself has helped alot in keeping it's potenital high to gain stats and skills quickly.
Yeah, I recently discovered that pet power goes through the roof if they pick up a decent amount of gold. I put 100,000 gold in a kitty bank, bashed it, then let my pet pick it up. Pet stood in town for over five minutes training and had over 300% potential in every skill by the time it was done.
It's so effective that it feels like an exploit.
Post by: alway on June 13, 2013, 05:27:05 pm
Do the static dungeon just north of Derphy. Part of the reward there is the gloves of vesda, which will make your life in the tower of fire much easier.That's only the lesser part of the reward.
Make sure you eat the dragon's corpse. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Vesda_the_fire_dragon)
It ups your intrinsic fire resistance, and not by a small amount. You can't ever lose it, because it isn't a mutation. Thus making Vesda's corpse one of the most valuable items in the game.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 13, 2013, 05:35:12 pm
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120726023125/elona/images/7/78/489-MetalVesda.png)
because one time is not enough
Post by: etgfrog on June 13, 2013, 05:44:44 pm
<Metal Vesda> The Fire MachineOh...about that...
(http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120726023125/elona/images/7/78/489-MetalVesda.png)
because one time is not enough
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Amur-Cage
hm...maybe i should look into getting an astral light pen and copying Metal Vesda for a ranch :P
Post by: alway on June 13, 2013, 06:14:48 pm
You know...now that I think about it...my view is a little...biased on things being easy since i had gotten lucky with a rod of alchemy, I was collecting all potions I found and had a very large stack of potions, used a alch rod on it, turned into a stack of potion of slow that I stacked with my existing potions...rolled several times to get a very large stack of potions that then got lucky and it turned into a very large stack of hermes blood that was enough to give myself and 2 pets to max speedYou win good idea of the month award.
Post by: Blaze on June 13, 2013, 06:47:26 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 13, 2013, 06:54:34 pm
Rods of Alchemy don't work on stacks, at least in Elona+.that is...weird, why did i remember being able to use it on the stack and more specifically hoarding so many potions, oh well, this has been a save i've been playing on an off for quite a while...so i don't know...
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 13, 2013, 07:25:18 pm
and it turned into a very large stack of hermes bloodJesus. I should play with rods of alchemy more, I used to just trade/sell them off since they seemed so useless for their monetary value. But now, knowing they can do that...
...then my internet failed and I didn't see the new information...
Post by: Robsoie on June 13, 2013, 07:34:19 pm
I really didn't thought about that, usually i was buying all those good ores at the shops and gave them to the troopers that were selling them and training.
Now going to have to grind for more gold, as i wasted nearly all of what i had in hiring one of those top10 adventurer that helped take out Zeome (and she was worth it considering what she did to him :) )
While i think about it, using the gene machine and the slaves i ended in the cat sister going from her level 6 (from adventuring) to level 20 (used a few elite machinegunner slaves).
But i noticed her skills weren't that much better.
Same with one of the bell that was level 8 and got to 20
Was it a mistake to make the minions levelup that quickly this way instead of having her adventuring (though now that i know the money trick with the harvest and the kitty banks i should manage to get the pets more skills)
Post by: Blaze on June 13, 2013, 07:49:13 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 13, 2013, 07:50:24 pm
At level 28, I now get 2 platinum every 3/4 quests or so, where just one level ago or so I would only get 1 all the time.
Post by: alway on June 13, 2013, 07:55:57 pm
Wait, is it me, or do quests give you more platinum some of the time the higher level you are? Or is it some other thing that gives more platinum?Yep. Though I dunno if it's fame or level based.
At level 28, I now get 2 platinum every 3/4 quests or so, where just one level ago or so I would only get 1 all the time.
At level 48, I'm getting 2-3 usually. Which is really nice with those Challenge missions which take all of 30 seconds to complete.
Edit: AWWWWW YEAHHHHH.
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Post by: etgfrog on June 14, 2013, 01:01:47 am
Read one successfully, now it shows up in the mage guild list. ^_^except for wish and wizard harvest...cant reserve those :(
so a carmel of termination drops...i run over to stop a pet from eating it...go down to fight the boss...it goes into my backpack and eats it...i guess i finish this fight mid ragnarok :'(
Post by: Tarran on June 14, 2013, 01:16:44 am
Post by: etgfrog on June 14, 2013, 01:23:46 am
which makes me wonder...maybe all those god weapons are actually useful as non-stop ragnarok would give you a near endless amount of loot
Post by: Robsoie on June 14, 2013, 01:48:33 am
Usually the monsters are tough in high level hunting missions, but on this one i decided to do, it spawned some really high level ones i have never seen yet in my dungeon crawling so far :
A Great Race of Yith (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Great_race_of_Yith) that looked more scary than it actually was, as we killed it quickly.
A Meshera (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=Meshera&fulltext=Search) (not sure what variant of this the monster was as the font was buggy for the greek letter next to it) , he was rather resistant but we killed him without loss on my side as we were able to face him alone on a corner of the mission map.
A Xeren Electric Tank (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Xeren_electric_tank), this one was really though with very powerfull ranged attack that killed 2 of my allies before we finally killed it.
But the real monster was a "Big sister (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Big_sister)", she was -extremely- resistant (nearly felt like Zeome fortunately she wasn't healing like crazy but her health was going down so slowly) to everything and by herself she did the most of my troops killing before i finally managed to stop her with a large portion of my health down.
At my fame level, i have noticed i unlocked the Panic missions in town, they're rather fun and can be more or less difficult depending on what is the monster type invading the town map.
Not yet high fame enough for unlocking the Challenge missions.
Hopefully will happen during my southern adventures.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 14, 2013, 02:58:29 am
Also, the Drain Blood (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Drain_Blood) page says it isn't good due to high enemy nether resistance. Does the player's nether resistance boost its damage the same way it does spells? I can imagine wearing bone armor to make vampirism work.
Post by: Tarran on June 14, 2013, 04:24:35 am
So, I say at least for now, at level 28, having magic is not needed.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 14, 2013, 04:30:52 am
Post by: Alkhemia on June 14, 2013, 04:43:10 am
Before going to the south, i played a level 17 Hunting mission, very rewarding in term of money (but only 2 platinium on this one) but ouch, i lost all my minions and managed to survive with only a few health left.It was most likely Meshera β since all but the Big Sister are lvl 80
Usually the monsters are tough in high level hunting missions, but on this one i decided to do, it spawned some really high level ones i have never seen yet in my dungeon crawling so far :
A Meshera (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/index.php?search=Meshera&fulltext=Search) (not sure what variant of this the monster was as the font was buggy for the greek letter next to it) , he was rather resistant but we killed him without loss on my side as we were able to face him alone on a corner of the mission map.
Also here more info about the AP guy http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Black_gauntlet_Leold he can teach your pet some really nice stuff.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 14, 2013, 05:02:57 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 14, 2013, 05:29:03 am
I've been gathering provisions for the etherwind week. For some reason, the edible plants I gathered and put in my freezer aren't stacking properly. I currently have 5 stacks and seeing as there should only be 3 variants(normal, cursed, blessed) I don't know why they won't stack properly. Anyone know why? Could it be because some of them are older?I forget which wild plant rots, but yes, I would assume that the extras has decayed slightly.
It's even worse with grown plants because they get quality modifiers too, so they rarely stacks.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 14, 2013, 05:37:24 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 14, 2013, 05:43:30 am
If one isn't planning to savescum, is it safe to drink from wells repeatedly to try to get a wish?If you got protection against mutations and can kill any mobs that might appear.
The holy well in noyel has a higher chance.
Post by: Niveras on June 14, 2013, 05:52:40 am
Post by: Ygdrad on June 14, 2013, 06:45:08 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 14, 2013, 07:01:39 am
Remember that there's good inferior and bad inferior, Maybe bone is good and you might have a higher chance when using blessed scrolls.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 14, 2013, 07:19:19 am
Curious why you want it. Maybe you've had bad luck with the scrolls? Or did you only look for 'bone' and not the second prefix, immortal?
Remember that there's good inferior and bad inferior, Maybe bone is good and you might have a higher chance when using blessed scrolls.
I want it for !!SCIENCE!!. Bone equipment has nether resistance and I want to test if it boosts the damage of the Blood Drain ability/feat, which deals nether damage, the same way resistances boost spell damage.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 14, 2013, 08:05:22 am
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what the point of the city chart? The wiki got nothing.
Post by: etgfrog on June 14, 2013, 05:34:17 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 14, 2013, 06:04:19 pm
If one isn't planning to savescum, is it safe to drink from wells repeatedly to try to get a wish?If you got protection against mutations and can kill any mobs that might appear.
The holy well in noyel has a higher chance.
To add on this, the one item that i find in dungeon and everytime has a protection against mutation without being artifacts are the fairy hats but i don't think you find them early or in low danger level dungeons, you'll need either to levelup quite a bit and/or adventure in higher danger level zones (and why you should level up a bit to avoid sure death)
Post by: Blaze on June 14, 2013, 06:15:24 pm
I can't get the pet heir thing to work either.
Post by: Kaitol on June 14, 2013, 10:24:06 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 14, 2013, 10:29:10 pm
So I was playing around with create a npc option...now the npc type I created is appearing...which would be fine if i didn't use that awful stick sprite in item folder...oh well, not sure how I could delete it...
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 15, 2013, 04:26:06 am
PS: The 'Messera' referred in the translated plot summary are the 'Meshera' in Elona+. And yes, Karam does indeed mention of the Meshera in the vanilla elona game, albeit translated as 'Meshella'.
Post by: Ivefan on June 15, 2013, 06:15:44 am
So, now i've got 6 feat points and 217 skill points to spend and I just can't ever decide on what to do with them because i might regret having used them later =/
With the feats I've got exorsist, max luck and agility(speed).
MP & HP seems like a waste. Mainly a mage so the abilities attack wont be used. Attribute bonuses if there's nothing better.
How useful is the quartemaster & accountant feats in e+? I saw that they got a buff but I don't know if it's good enough to bother.
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 15, 2013, 07:00:32 am
Accountant caps at 15% reduction of tax. Not really worth it, I guess, if you have a lot of shopkeepers with high shop ranks.
Flame breath might be viable if you have a lot of control magic handy.
Dimensional move should be taken, as it's one of the more useful abilities, due to the fact that you can use it to escape while dimmed, which stops you from casting spells.
Other than that, I'm not really sure which skill should be taken for practical applications.
Post by: Kaitol on June 15, 2013, 11:30:19 am
Post by: Bronimin on June 15, 2013, 02:02:35 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 15, 2013, 02:18:51 pm
SO I was messing around a bit with 1.21, and I found this little purple ball which does something I don't know about (Two of them, one is cursed. Called 'little ball' IG). I thought they would be like monster balls, since they can be thrown, but they don't seem to do anything when I throw them at mobs. The description says it is for making me more powerful or similar so I would like to know how to use them :P. Also, how do you train the potential for attributes? My strength potential is low, which sucks since I am melee oriented as a Claymore.Little balls are given by the scientist in the Cyber Dome; their only purpose is to catch little sisters that appear when a Big Daddy dies. It's always successful regardless of HP; IF used on a little sister.
I managed to find a potion of cure corruption in the puppy cave on my first run, as well as a scroll of oracle. I hope this is a sign for future success.
E: HAHAHA I just got a wish from the well in Palmia. Boots here I come!
I am the 'Ram Duchess', by the by; you might see me dying alot :P
The most common way to gain potential is to sleep; the better quality the bed is and the more experience you gain before sleeping, the more potential you gain.
Get a maid in your house. Then guild trainers and NPC adventurers that you're friendly with can appear. They do require platinum though.
Well effects can increase potential. The holy well in Noyel has a much higher chance of this.
Potions of Potential and Herbs can raise potential provided they aren't cursed.
It looks like the Random Number Goddess has taken a liking to you; this can be very good or very, very bad.
Post by: Niveras on June 15, 2013, 03:18:11 pm
What do?
Post by: Blaze on June 15, 2013, 03:26:25 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 15, 2013, 03:32:59 pm
If you can't afford that, the visiting guild trainer is probably the best way.
Does bosses have some duration reduction on hexes? My silence only works for 3 turns(11 standard) and that ain't enough to finish of zeome.
Post by: alway on June 15, 2013, 04:52:35 pm
Depending on your economic situation, invest in one or more magic shops to 100+ and check in every so often for the potions of potential. 30k+ for one i think, depends on your negotiation.I think they start at around 45k or so; I'm at 63 negotiation, and just now getting them down to 30k.
If you can't afford that, the visiting guild trainer is probably the best way.
Does bosses have some duration reduction on hexes? My silence only works for 3 turns(11 standard) and that ain't enough to finish of zeome.
There may be resist-based reduction, but also keep in mind that it's Zeome's turns, not yours. It's why a slow/silence combo works fairly well; as otherwise he will probably take turns faster than you, reducing the duration significantly.
Post by: Ivefan on June 15, 2013, 04:57:51 pm
I guess I'll try again now that I have two random "get-beaten-wanna-be-your-friend" pets along.
Post by: Felius on June 15, 2013, 05:16:06 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 15, 2013, 05:19:18 pm
Depending on your economic situation, invest in one or more magic shops to 100+ and check in every so often for the potions of potential. 30k+ for one i think, depends on your negotiation.Before you invest, though, I'd suggest getting the Investing skill unless you are flowing in hundreds of thousands of cash. Investing is really expensive. It was amazing to me how cheaper investing was after getting the skill.
If you can't afford that, the visiting guild trainer is probably the best way.
Post by: Blaze on June 15, 2013, 05:22:56 pm
Note that as a Fairy AND a Wizard you're still going to have a ton of problems at the beginning no matter what you do.
Post by: EuchreJack on June 15, 2013, 05:24:27 pm
Considering a new spellcaster character. I'm between a fairy or a lich. Class would be wizard either way. Opinions?
Everyone plays a fairy, so break the mold and play a lich. Besides, you can equip items that are 1.1 stones.
Post by: etgfrog on June 15, 2013, 06:17:45 pm
Everyone plays a fairy, so break the mold and play a lich. Besides, you can equip items that are 1.1 stones.I'll have to 2nd this, nothing is more frustrating then trying to gather books in the puppy dungeon and dying in one hit from a public performer...3rd option is elea, they have an innate bonus to magic control...its actually enough to make using magic burst almost viable.
Post by: Patchy on June 15, 2013, 07:27:55 pm
I prefer elea for a wiz char vs the lich, if I don't want to use a fairy. Elea have a racial bonus that halves their overcast damage in addition to what they get from the magic capacity skill. It can be a life saver later on when mobs use some of those devastating mana burst skills on you, or hit you with weapons that drain mp like Zeome does. And elea also get more resistance to etherwind too.
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 03:00:12 am
Post by: Robsoie on June 16, 2013, 03:40:09 am
Especially in Elona+ that improved the magic usage so you can finally deal some rather amazing damage after training a lot with an offensive spell.
I never had much success in Elona (not the + version i mean) with wizards before Elona+, i always found their spell training was too slow in term of offensive power to follow up the monsters increase in power, i had much better results with melee characters
But in Elona+ wizards are rather fun now.
Post by: beorn080 on June 16, 2013, 03:53:33 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 04:27:55 am
Does the the strength of the enemy matter for defensive skill gains(evasion, armor, etc) or do I get as much from being surrounded by putits as from dragons?Well, Still don't know if strength matters, but one mitra beats 8 putits in gain speed.
And yes, Fairy is probably the strongest option as long as you survive puppy cave, But you pick what you want. I'm an Eulderna mage/all kinds of skills.
Post by: Robsoie on June 16, 2013, 04:38:11 am
The only sure thing is that the XP gained is still more important.
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 04:50:31 am
The only sure thing is that the XP gained is still more important.I was just assuming that you gained Y xp for every 0.001 skill point or vice verse. Say that at 1.000 skill, one point would translate into 100 xp while at 10.000 skill it would be 1000xp or something.
Note that the numbers is just hypothetical.
Post by: syllogism on June 16, 2013, 05:01:53 am
Post by: kcwong on June 16, 2013, 06:15:05 am
Food can be enchanted now? :o
Post by: Alkhemia on June 16, 2013, 07:09:31 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 07:17:34 am
Food can be enchanted now? :oThats from cooking good crops from farming or groomed pets in the ranch.
It boosts the gain even further.
My current char and skills
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Post by: Alkhemia on June 16, 2013, 08:59:20 am
Almost died to a swarm of dark hounds though that was not a fun door to open.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 16, 2013, 11:23:35 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 11:58:25 am
So far, my test character has actually been very successful. It is lv10 now and aside from the rare arrow fired at speedy ranged enemies, the only attacks I've been using are the Drain Blood and Poison Touch feats/abilities. They've been kicking my dexterity sky-high.Getting the stamina feats and going to worship kumiromi for the increased stamina regen?
Post by: Ygdrad on June 16, 2013, 12:00:18 pm
So far, my test character has actually been very successful. It is lv10 now and aside from the rare arrow fired at speedy ranged enemies, the only attacks I've been using are the Drain Blood and Poison Touch feats/abilities. They've been kicking my dexterity sky-high.Getting the stamina feats and going to worship kumiromi for the increased stamina regen?
Nope entirely unneeded, Drain Blood makes you GAIN stamina, it costs nothing. I'm planning on having a sandbagged enemy in my house so that when I'm mining during the ether week, I can quickly replenish my stamina by Blood Draining it, it's faster than resting. As long as I alternate between using the two abilities, I can keep going without any stamina problems, I'll try to aim for 30 stealth for shadow-step, should be interesting.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 16, 2013, 12:04:50 pm
Has it looked like it scales with anything?
Post by: Ygdrad on June 16, 2013, 12:11:58 pm
It got a big buff in elona + not sure how good it will be at higher lvl.
Has it looked like it scales with anything?
Drain Blood and Poison Touch both scale off of Dexterity and train it when used. I am planning on kitting myself out in a full set of bone armor to see if the Nether resistance will boost Drain Blood's nether damage.
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 12:15:29 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 16, 2013, 12:19:51 pm
ygdrad, get and train Nightmare so you can debuff their nether resist as it will be high later on. and while you're at it, you might aswell train other buffs and slow
That's sadly a long ways down the road. Started with a Dwarf Predator. Not a single magic-related skill. Haven't gotten too much pp so far, been fighting and grinding more than running between towns.
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 12:23:30 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 16, 2013, 01:14:13 pm
He seems to be a wizard with no spells and pretty low stats. Does he have any use? Does he ever become decent?
Post by: etgfrog on June 16, 2013, 02:18:18 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 16, 2013, 03:49:10 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 16, 2013, 03:51:04 pm
What are city charts used for? They're always empty and nothing happens if you select any of the boxes.I ask like a page or so ago it for a un added economy and stuff.
Post by: Ivefan on June 16, 2013, 03:54:04 pm
-Edit- And ninjad
And posting just that feels like a waste of space so...
Anyone got suggestions on pets that has specially interesting default traits? I thought that training a cat girl might be fun, but haven't found a book yet.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 16, 2013, 04:10:31 pm
Unimplemented.
-Edit- And ninjad
And posting just that feels like a waste of space so...
Anyone got suggestions on pets that has specially interesting default traits? I thought that training a cat girl might be fun, but haven't found a book yet.
I haven't run into anything overly interesting yet since my highest lv character was at 12(I'm still mostly just experimenting with different things), but so far my favorite pet is the Juere Infantry you can buy at the Slave Master, because it is tanky and will use both melee and ranged weapons. I'm interested in getting my hands on an Absolute Defender seeing as absolute protect looks like the ultimate tanking skill.
Post by: Robsoie on June 16, 2013, 04:29:55 pm
- The bells (golden and platinium) armed with powerfull machineguns , given the "Marksman" skill through the Gene Machine (from Punks from the slavemaster of Derphy) and leveled are really great in term of damage dealing and fire support (due to their insane speed they open fire several times by turns).
They're squishy but their insane speed make up for it, as it's rare an enemy will be able to get into melee distance with them.
- The Exile (servant given by Itzpalt of Element) that shoot several spells by turns, he's squishy but powerfull, make sure to level him a bit and give appropriate items to avoid him dying a lot from enemies with area attacks (rock/potion/grenade throwers, hounds, dragons, etc...) on the 1st hit.
Isca the fallen angel and Goda the orc captain i got as ally from killing them in Hunting random missions (they ask to join you when you do) are very strong and resilient but despite they're very well equipped with weaponry, i don't see them better than a leveled and equiped little girl.
Overall i had the feel that ranged allies have been more usefull than my melee ones in my minions army.
But their resilience probably is usefull to be a distraction for the monsters while the ranged troopers shoot them.
The cat sister does not have yet enough AP so i can't go give her more ranged weapon preference at the south continent guy waiting in the Refugee Camp, and so far as a melee character, she's -always- the 1st one to die (before Isca, Goda and the little girl i have since the start) despite she got tons of money and potential training then (thanks the Harvest spell) for her level 20 and nice items
Post by: alway on June 16, 2013, 04:58:16 pm
Time to find some negates the effects of paralysis equipment. :P
Post by: etgfrog on June 16, 2013, 05:04:19 pm
Unimplemented.I honestly recommend the fire@dragon you see sometimes wandering around, either once you get a monster ball or get 20 small medals for a rod of domination you can grab one, they make great pets because of it starting at level 2, starts with traveling and 220 life, also doesn't have any of the potentially annoying breath attacks. Any of the god pets works well too as each one is rather unique...even the android is considered good now.
-Edit- And ninjad
And posting just that feels like a waste of space so...
Anyone got suggestions on pets that has specially interesting default traits? I thought that training a cat girl might be fun, but haven't found a book yet.
Post by: Kaitol on June 16, 2013, 05:35:21 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 16, 2013, 05:39:04 pm
Of course, it's said those heats can be amongst loot from killing monsters but with such a low probabilty you may win at a lottery before :D
Post by: etgfrog on June 16, 2013, 05:43:32 pm
You can also evolve the dragon child twice. I'm not sure if they get breath attacks on evolution thoughdoes not, but it does gain a boost ability...and that kind of hurts it damage potential...just make sure any equipment you give it is acidproof since it likes to run strait into the enemy
Post by: Alkhemia on June 16, 2013, 05:44:16 pm
You can also evolve the dragon child twice. I'm not sure if they get breath attacks on evolution though
The Valkyrie you get from evo a Little Girl with a <Evolution Heart> is pretty good.
Why is boost bad?
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Post by: etgfrog on June 16, 2013, 06:07:13 pm
Post by: Frostbite on June 16, 2013, 06:48:29 pm
Like what kind of starting feats are good now in the + version?
How do i make Plat coins easy (was always a huge hassle before)
other tips for starting out?
Post by: alway on June 16, 2013, 06:52:46 pm
From what i read apparently to evolve your allies, you need to kills some very high level bosses from the south continent to et their heart (or for one of the evolution items, need to have 1.5 millions of gold to buy it at a shop), so i guess this is just not going to happen for a very long while considering how a very hard time my troops had against Zeome that was "only" level 55I've got several hearts now on my level 51 character. 1 'another' and 2 'evolution.' I may have another kicking around somewhere, but I don't use pets.
Of course, it's said those heats can be amongst loot from killing monsters but with such a low probabilty you may win at a lottery before :D
Post by: etgfrog on June 16, 2013, 09:23:05 pm
As for plat coins...the quickest gameplay wise is quests...get to the point you can do the quests without worry and then go at it, even go intentionally fail quests a bunch to lose fame then take the easier ones, going through dungeons can bring in quite a few plat coins its honestly quicker to do the quests.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 17, 2013, 09:36:03 am
Never really got to far into this game because i heard the whole "gaining levels is bad" thing and it kinda put me off , but i hear thats not really an issue anymore so i was wondering if you all had some starting tips or advice for a new player in 1.21
The good news is that "gaining levels is bad" is no longer the case in Elona+. As long as you're regularly using/leveling combat skills, levelling in Elona+ just means access to new/better stuff. One still might want to consider managing how high your Fame is, though.
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Like what kind of starting feats are good now in the + version?
I've always been a fan of the +stamina feats, or +Charisma in order to start off with more ally slots. Dimensional Move is also nice as it can be used to escape even if your spells are blocked.
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How do i make Plat coins easy (was always a huge hassle before)
Platinum is still the grindiest part of Elona+, imo. Worshiping the new Elona+ god Yacatect of Wealth helps a bit though, especially if you're not into doing town quests. Her Goose pet converts food to plat, and her gift gives you 10 plat a month. Although the Goose has low Breed power, leave it on a Ranch and pair it with a farm for food production and you will eventually get an army of platinum producers.
Yacatect, particularly when paired with Anatomy, can also dramatically increase your gold gain from dungeon crawling which is very nice when starting off.
Post by: Frostbite on June 17, 2013, 09:39:07 am
Post by: etgfrog on June 17, 2013, 10:13:44 am
you can read the bonuses of each of them here http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods)
Post by: Felius on June 17, 2013, 12:14:30 pm
What fame level is reasonable? And when do I need to start to worry about the enemies I would face?Never really got to far into this game because i heard the whole "gaining levels is bad" thing and it kinda put me off , but i hear thats not really an issue anymore so i was wondering if you all had some starting tips or advice for a new player in 1.21
The good news is that "gaining levels is bad" is no longer the case in Elona+. As long as you're regularly using/leveling combat skills, levelling in Elona+ just means access to new/better stuff. One still might want to consider managing how high your Fame is, though.
Post by: Robsoie on June 17, 2013, 12:51:41 pm
And i observed that while monsters encounters can generate stronger ones, instead of putits and rabbits, my character is powerfull enough to destroy them, and i have access to much higher difficulty town missions, that means if i choose them i can get a lot of money along items.
So at least in Elona+ i wouldn't worry too much in controlling the fame, unless you're playing a very weak race/class combo (i'm playing an Elea Wizard and i find this strong as a combo) , by the time you get stronger enemies or decide to explore higher danger level dungeons, you (and your minions) should be powerfull enough to deal with the opposition.
The rogues ambushes that is progressing in monster power with your fame has not killed once my character, i just teleport out of the way, then with my allies annihilate easily every members of that ambush one by one when they show up.
Additionally Fame is used to unlock 2 new city quests , Panic at fame 30000 and Challenge at fame 50000 , i have yet to reach the requirement for Challenge despite i spent 70 hours on my character but got some fun in Panic missions.
And Loyter the "performer killer" from will give you a special quest once you reach 20000 fame.
That is for a caster character, as spells can get really powerfull with you using them constantly in monster hunting and dungeon crawling, so fame is not a problem.
But is that true for a melee character ? i have not played a single one in Elona+ , in Elona they were good, but i remember having a lot of problems with several not so strong monsters that my caster can one or two shot now.
So maybe if you play a melee based class, keeping fame under control is more important ?
Post by: Felius on June 17, 2013, 02:19:18 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 17, 2013, 02:35:25 pm
The most hilarious is that i started to find more of them only -after- i finally managed to get membership in the mage guild.
For now, you should just grind Puppy Cave again and again, as each levels of it get randomly re-generated each time you climb a stair, they can respawn ancient books sometime.
And as the monsters of Puppy Cave are low level, this way you don't spend much time fighting them or worrying about being killed and can explore quickly a whole floor to see if there are "ancient books" around.
Post by: Ivefan on June 17, 2013, 02:41:20 pm
For now, you should just grind Puppy Cave again and again, as each levels of it get randomly re-generated each time you climb a stair, they can respawn ancient books sometime.This was the way to do it before, but it seems to me that it has changed. The ancient books is a lot rarer nowadays and maybe it was just the RNG being mean but I feel that I got more, or atleast higher value books, from doing normal random dungeons.
Post by: Felius on June 17, 2013, 02:46:02 pm
Yes, it's annoying you need to find so much of those ancient books giving 1 points, as finding the ones that give more points is extremely rare.O was hoping to avoid Puppy Cave because it's hell on my spell stocks. Even with the monsters being weak, well, they still eat at least one magic dart.
The most hilarious is that i started to find more of them only -after- i finally managed to get membership in the mage guild.
For now, you should just grind Puppy Cave again and again, as each levels of it get randomly re-generated each time you climb a stair, they can respawn ancient books sometime.
And as the monsters of Puppy Cave are low level, this way you don't spend much time fighting them or worrying about being killed and can explore quickly a whole floor to see if there are "ancient books" around.
I'm going to have to try the normal random dungeon later Ivefan.
Post by: Robsoie on June 17, 2013, 02:57:51 pm
That had never happened when i was playing the original Elona
So it's possible that :
-Elona+ has changed some of the item spawn setting for Puppy Cave
-Character luck matters a lot in what items are spawning , as my character has the max amount of luck feats and a few items giving +luck.
-a combination of both
Post by: Seriyu on June 17, 2013, 05:06:05 pm
That is for a caster character, as spells can get really powerfull with you using them constantly in monster hunting and dungeon crawling, so fame is not a problem.Yeah, melee characters are still pretty hampered by the fact that they can't cover all the elements with their gear, enemies are randomly decided for the most part, and a few good spells can kill them, on top of having to close in. As much as I love opatos I feel lulwy is probably more useful in the long run, since armor will very quickly give you enough PV to tank through a lot of melee, and that speed boost is great (I'm one of those wierdos that sticks with one god).
But is that true for a melee character ? i have not played a single one in Elona+ , in Elona they were good, but i remember having a lot of problems with several not so strong monsters that my caster can one or two shot now.
So maybe if you play a melee based class, keeping fame under control is more important ?
Post by: Alkhemia on June 17, 2013, 05:18:24 pm
Yeah, melee characters are still pretty hampered by the fact that they can't cover all the elements with their gear, enemies are randomly decided for the most part, and a few good spells can kill them, on top of having to close in. As much as I love opatos I feel lulwy is probably more useful in the long run, since armor will very quickly give you enough PV to tank through a lot of melee, and that speed boost is great (I'm one of those wierdos that sticks with one god).Same, I should switch but lulwy speed boost is just so useful that I'm hesitant to swap over. If I do switch what a good god besides lulwy for a melee attacker?
Post by: Haschel on June 17, 2013, 06:16:27 pm
I think Fame management is really only a necessity if you're starting out as a class with poor combat skills; IE any non combat focus or any low HP race. Melee classes are a bit harder to manage in Elona+ due to the new invoke function. Every time an enemy takes damage they build up charge, and unleash a substantially stronger invoke ability when their charge fills. It tends to get evasion characters one-shot if they have poor armor since the invoke is only dodged based on your Greater Evasion skill (I could be wrong on that but I'm pretty sure it's correct). I haven't made a character with decent PV yet, I'm guessing it's not quite as big of an issue with them.What fame level is reasonable? And when do I need to start to worry about the enemies I would face?Never really got to far into this game because i heard the whole "gaining levels is bad" thing and it kinda put me off , but i hear thats not really an issue anymore so i was wondering if you all had some starting tips or advice for a new player in 1.21
The good news is that "gaining levels is bad" is no longer the case in Elona+. As long as you're regularly using/leveling combat skills, levelling in Elona+ just means access to new/better stuff. One still might want to consider managing how high your Fame is, though.
A really basic tip that will make early game much easier is to realize how cheap and incredibly useful rods can be. Always, always keep a couple teleportation rods on hand. Those alone will let you escape rogue boss encounters without any loss to stats/money from death, karma from failed quests via escorts getting annihilated etc. Getting killed overall isn't a huge problem unless you're carrying loads of cash, but take note that when you die you sometimes lose a half point of will/charisma which can be pretty annoying, on top of dropping some items.
Post by: Niveras on June 17, 2013, 06:57:53 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 17, 2013, 07:03:29 pm
But your allies and yourself can still build up the gauge while being hit or while hitting and unleash the stronger attack when it's filled.
Post by: Haschel on June 17, 2013, 07:09:06 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 17, 2013, 07:13:02 pm
I think Jure is the only one besides those two that are good for melee. Seeing as Kumiromi and Yacatect have no fighting power whatsoever (kinda), Itzpalt is magical, Mani is guns, and Ehekatl only gives questionably-useful luck, that leaves those 3. Jure is less of a direct combat boost and more of a protection boost through the healing ability she gives.Yeah, melee characters are still pretty hampered by the fact that they can't cover all the elements with their gear, enemies are randomly decided for the most part, and a few good spells can kill them, on top of having to close in. As much as I love opatos I feel lulwy is probably more useful in the long run, since armor will very quickly give you enough PV to tank through a lot of melee, and that speed boost is great (I'm one of those wierdos that sticks with one god).Same, I should switch but lulwy speed boost is just so useful that I'm hesitant to swap over. If I do switch what a good god besides lulwy for a melee attacker?
Post by: Aplsos on June 17, 2013, 07:25:29 pm
Post by: Seriyu on June 17, 2013, 08:21:23 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 17, 2013, 08:50:33 pm
Kumiromi's stamina regen is incredible once you start getting the better active powers. Being able to spit out Shining Waves and bomb punches like they ain't no thang is handy once you start meeting swarms of ultra-annoying trash like camouflaged imps and dragon's pet harpies.Ah yes, forgot about stamina since that's new to Elona+ (I think?? I never worshipped Kumiromi anyway I'm sorry). But that's for when you actually have the actions to use.
Post by: The Scout on June 17, 2013, 11:04:38 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 17, 2013, 11:14:13 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 17, 2013, 11:23:14 pm
Post by: Niveras on June 18, 2013, 05:24:43 am
Quote from:
Favor (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods#Favor)
Max favor = buffed Faith Skill x 100 + 25.
You get the first reward (pet) at 1525, the second (secret treasure/experience) at 2525, and the 3rd (weapon) at 4025.
Post by: Robsoie on June 18, 2013, 02:48:41 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 18, 2013, 03:41:52 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 18, 2013, 03:44:34 pm
edit: Ninja'd
Post by: etgfrog on June 18, 2013, 03:51:58 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 18, 2013, 04:32:05 pm
After investing a tons of money to level up my recently purchased Investing skill (and spent enough platinium to get it at 400% potential) , i noticed i was near bankrupt.
So i started doing some high level hunting and panic missions, a difficult task as while i get lots of money from them, it's easy to lose minions due to very strong monsters being generated if i do those high level versions of the town missions, and then i have to spend lot of money getting them back (Isca being level 42 currently cost me over 25000 gold to get back , and i have high negociating skill !) , leading me to do even more Hunting&Panic.
And in the middle of a Panic mission that had the Vernis town invaded by chaos hounds (that were beefed up version as they could take more than 1000 damage from my high level magic dart, though couldn't survive a 2nd shot), after losing a few pets (i really hate hounds and their area of effect high damage spells) one of the chaos hound left an odd item on the ground that i never saw so far
(http://i.imgur.com/hvQGVrf.jpg)
What can this be ?
(http://i.imgur.com/YjC75MI.jpg)
WOW !
considering they're very extremely rare drops and buying one in the mountain village (the one you can reach only from the mountain pass dungeon in North Tyris southern mountains) is more than 1 millions, all i can say is that i'm happy :)
I'm wondering if i may use it to evolve the little girl into a Valkyrie or if i should keep it for a later ally (i have several ally scrolls and have enough medals for a rod of domination in the Miral and Garok's Workshop ) , there are some interesting combination with that heart :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Pet_Evolution
But as i don't see them in, are the bells having no evolution possibilities ?
Post by: Alkhemia on June 18, 2013, 04:39:00 pm
And wow nice you must be the luckmancer.
Post by: Robsoie on June 18, 2013, 04:44:11 pm
The wiki hint at it influencing the quality and number of the item dropped, but not their nature, but it mentions that how much Luck affect everything in the game is not very known too.
Anyone experimented with dungeon crawling/town mission during a "Lucky Day" instead of rushing to play Blackjack (i always went and played in the casino during lucky days) ?
Post by: etgfrog on June 18, 2013, 05:57:06 pm
anyways, remember what i was talking about earlier, it very well could be the higher the level of the enemy, the higher chance of getting a heart
Post by: alway on June 18, 2013, 07:30:13 pm
judging from your party evolving the little girl may be your best option as I don't think you'll be trying to grab any of the other petsThis. Use it. The more you level, the more replaceable they become, so no need to horde them.
anyways, remember what i was talking about earlier, it very well could be the higher the level of the enemy, the higher chance of getting a heart
Post by: Robsoie on June 18, 2013, 08:17:39 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 18, 2013, 08:28:09 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 18, 2013, 09:49:16 pm
Post by: alway on June 18, 2013, 10:32:09 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Xeren_satelite_unit
Look at that thing's stats.
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Speed: 1536It gets 2.5 turns for every turn of a bell.
Encountered it in a level 69 dungeon.
Post by: etgfrog on June 18, 2013, 10:47:15 pm
this is what you need to worry about in south tyris
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Siva_the_Destruction
oh and these in normal dungeons
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Element_dragon
arguably the best target for an astral light pen
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Jin_the_machine_rebel
but that is lost irva...so need to beat south tyris first
Post by: alway on June 18, 2013, 11:00:27 pm
oh, the super bells...good luck getting one though, they are level 70 so a little resistant to a rod of dominationHehe, that's what the mage guild's infinite stocks of domination spellbooks are for. :P
I still haven't gone into South Tyris after my initial venture down there. All the untranslated/translated by someone who isn't a native english speaker stuff down there made everything feel a bit off to me. Though the dungeon levels appear to be bringing South Tyris to me. I saw a level 105 tower appear in North Tyris. On a related note, is 1.21 better than 1.19 in that regard?
Post by: Robsoie on June 18, 2013, 11:14:10 pm
My character still have a long, very long way to get decent enough to survive in the south dungeons. Beating Zeome felt nearly like a miracle, and the guy was only level 55 and nothing in common in term of stats and skills with those from the new south guys !
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 18, 2013, 11:52:33 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 19, 2013, 12:45:36 am
what...you can throw light weapons?
Post by: Kaitol on June 19, 2013, 12:49:32 am
Post by: etgfrog on June 19, 2013, 03:59:26 am
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Scrolls of flying won't affect the stats of the item you used it on aside from its weight now.they are really worth its rarity now...
also the whole pet inheritance is related to a tailoring item requiring rank 30 tailoring and 2 memory fragment, 1 red weed and 1 thick wood
Post by: Ivefan on June 19, 2013, 08:21:26 am
Scrolls of flying won't affect the stats of the item you used it on aside from its weight now.invested level 200 magic shopkeep, haven't seen a single one yet.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 19, 2013, 08:44:12 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 19, 2013, 08:46:51 am
Scrolls of flying won't affect the stats of the item you used it on aside from its weight now.invested level 200 magic shopkeep, haven't seen a single one yet.
They appear very rarely with 500 magic shopkeep. Rare enough to not be a reliable resource.
Post by: Ivefan on June 19, 2013, 08:52:45 am
They appear very rarely with 500 magic shopkeep. Rare enough to not be a reliable resource.Madness, and I thought 200 was high. I don't even want to consider the total invested amount.
Post by: Kaitol on June 19, 2013, 12:17:26 pm
Gotta love that wish parser.
Post by: alway on June 19, 2013, 04:00:49 pm
I just saw one in a magic shop; rank 209. But yeah; still very rare. I think it may be the first one I've seen there.Scrolls of flying won't affect the stats of the item you used it on aside from its weight now.invested level 200 magic shopkeep, haven't seen a single one yet.
They appear very rarely with 500 magic shopkeep. Rare enough to not be a reliable resource.
Post by: etgfrog on June 19, 2013, 04:40:55 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 19, 2013, 04:54:06 pm
So...I crafted a few lightsabers...the one that was godly has it brings an end on it...this might be a good test to see if you can farm a never ending Ragnarokrip
Extra: Drain Blood does stack with dex I was messing with my wizard mode guy and used Gold Rush witch put my Dex to 1700 and the action was doing around 5000 dmg.
Post by: etgfrog on June 19, 2013, 05:06:09 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
you can...but its very risky and you NEED all resists to be superb and quite a bit of pv
Post by: Robsoie on June 19, 2013, 05:24:37 pm
I have read that eating a lot helps, but even bloating myself back from each time with cooked food when i'm not at "satisfied" for a whole hour has not added a single kilo.
It's so easy to lose weight (getting drunk when meeting a NPC in your home is out of your control unfortunately, leading into vomit, leading into lot of weight loss) in Elona that i'm starting to worry for my character that is down to 26 kilos without having eaten a single cursed food so far
Post by: Blaze on June 19, 2013, 07:06:45 pm
Eating super-heavy food helps you gain weight faster AFAIK. Though there is already a small chance you might gain weight by eating anything.
Post by: docthoi on June 19, 2013, 08:16:37 pm
+Have 2 Ether diseases which +8 in PER and +21 in DP
-Charisma dropped down to 1
Or
-Spend 100,000G on Potion of cure corruption to remove those two sickness, therefore lose the bonuses
+Upon getting back to 9 Charisma, invest 27 plats in Investing Skill and start training Charisma stat
Post by: Robsoie on June 19, 2013, 08:22:12 pm
Just go play Blackjack, you only need 4 wins in a row to get such potion.
(better do it in "lucky day", can be triggered by eating blessed food before sleeping if i remember)
Charisma is very important to have allies (1 more ally for each 5 charisma points above 10) , and allies are very helpfull in battles.
Low weight doesn't do anything though. Developing Anorexia is based solely on vomiting too many times in a certain time frame.
Eating super-heavy food helps you gain weight faster AFAIK. Though there is already a small chance you might gain weight by eating anything.
Ah thanks, i was worried that losing weight would trigger that annoying anorexia trait.
Good to know it's triggered by something else.
I didn't experimented with the food weight, considering i have been testing food eating after cooking by grinding in Puppy Cave, it could explain that i saw no weight gain in a hour, there's no big creatures in there.
Post by: docthoi on June 19, 2013, 08:50:02 pm
Don't waste 100.000 gold on a cure corruption potion !
Just go play Blackjack, you only need 4 wins in a row to get such potion.
(better do it in "lucky day", can be triggered by eating blessed food before sleeping if i remember)
Charisma is very important to have allies (1 more ally for each 5 charisma points above 10) , and allies are very helpfull in battles.Low weight doesn't do anything though. Developing Anorexia is based solely on vomiting too many times in a certain time frame.
Eating super-heavy food helps you gain weight faster AFAIK. Though there is already a small chance you might gain weight by eating anything.
Ah thanks, i was worried that losing weight would trigger that annoying anorexia trait.
Good to know it's triggered by something else.
I didn't experimented with the food weight, considering i have been testing food eating after cooking by grinding in Puppy Cave, it could explain that i saw no weight gain in a hour, there's no big creatures in there.
THANK YOU, i didn't even know I could do that
Post by: Alkhemia on June 19, 2013, 09:10:19 pm
beside the item you get from the puppy cave quest
Post by: Blaze on June 19, 2013, 09:13:59 pm
Post by: JosephWongKS on June 19, 2013, 10:43:40 pm
Scrolls of flying won't affect the stats of the item you used it on aside from its weight now.invested level 200 magic shopkeep, haven't seen a single one yet.
They appear very rarely with 500 magic shopkeep. Rare enough to not be a reliable resource.
You don't need level 500 or even 200 magic shopkeepers. I'm finding scrolls of flying (rarely, but they do appear from time to time) on my level 100 magic shopkeepers.
Post by: Robsoie on June 19, 2013, 11:51:28 pm
Got my first in Vernis and it was a Chaos Cloud , not the strongest of the foe and despite being buffed up (i needed several highly powered magic darts to kill it) it was rather easy (but it wasn't a high level version of this mission only level 7 or 8 , i guess when they'll offer higher level versions it will be a different story as level 17 Hunting missions can be deadly) .
I noticed on the wiki they mentionned NPC, but i saw none .
But interesting is that the target seems to be treated as a boss because it drops figuring and card when killed (though no chest) , so it's good when you're having a museum and would want figurines/cards you have not managed to get
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2013, 01:03:58 am
Post by: Haschel on June 20, 2013, 02:29:49 am
Post by: Aplsos on June 20, 2013, 03:44:10 am
Post by: Flying Dice on June 20, 2013, 12:05:43 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 20, 2013, 01:04:22 pm
Wow. Just started a new pianist character, and at level 5 in Palmia my little girl happened to drink from a fountain... BAM, wish. o.0That luck
Huh I was clearing out all of my food I cooked and you can make pretty good money from it.
Post by: Robsoie on June 20, 2013, 01:58:21 pm
Sacrifice every rings/amulet you get from grinding dungeons (and you'll get a lot of them) until you obtain the Goose ally from her.
Each new days, give the Goose a "dish of something" to eat (don't give it a corpse) or cook (you need the cooking skill and an item to cook, you can find many portable cooking device in dungeons) a corpse to be a "dish of whatever corpse" and give it to the servant .
This quality of food (that's what i didn't knew, as i thought the Goose servant ability was buggy while in fact it's all about the food that must be cooked into a dish) will do something very good : the goose once finishing eating it will create a platinium coin.
With this method you can get 1 platinium by day.
Additionally, continue to sacrifice rings/amulets until you get Yacatect 2nd gift : an item that when used once by month will give you 10 platinium coins.
No need to sacrifice rings/amulet for the last gift (a throwable weapon) if you don't need it , you can now go worship your prefered god instead, after a period of anger that you can just wait through, you'll be able to continue using the Goose and the item Yacatect gave you despite worshipping someone else.
Post by: Ivefan on June 20, 2013, 02:11:54 pm
Huh I was clearing out all of my food I cooked and you can make pretty good money from it.Yeah. I've gotten as much as 15k for a parfait or the like.
No need to sacrifice rings/amulet for the last gift (a throwable weapon) if you don't need itI was considering this just for having it passive bonuses and a use for my throwing slot, or does anyone know of a more useful throwing weapon?
Post by: hachnslay on June 20, 2013, 02:33:06 pm
Spoiler: money problems solved (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: ironic (click to show/hide)
Post by: Robsoie on June 20, 2013, 02:38:20 pm
But i imagine if you have nothing worthy, Yacatect 3rd gift could be usefull.
wow, i had no idea Waste Arts were so profitable !
I'll have to buy Carpentry as my next skill.
Note, you can move your save from Elona+ 1.19 to Elona+ 1.21 if you want, i have done the same when 1.21 was released (as i didn't played 1.20 that had the "super attacks" for every monsters, that was solved in 1.21) and it has worked good.
question : i notice lightsabre increase the ether disease expansion.
But does this have an effect if you have given a lightsabre to one of the minions ?
Post by: Ivefan on June 20, 2013, 02:49:01 pm
The waste art is nice money, but takes 100 garbage each so its a bit of collecting to do.
Don't forget the cargo crafts like barrels and the like, that's money too.
Carpentry is great for money and you get the wands as a bonus, Jewelry for the useful scrolls.
Alchemy might be good for saving money but when you can make potential potions you don't have the materials and its easier to get from shops.
Post by: hachnslay on June 20, 2013, 03:13:58 pm
it is basically a stomafillia without the stat boosts.
i went the fruit tree cooking way for early money.
i started as a reincarnated dwarf farmer.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2013, 03:15:29 pm
question : i notice lightsabre increase the ether disease expansion.Nope. Ether is the A+ #1 Best Material you can give to your pets because they can't be corrupted.
But does this have an effect if you have given a lightsabre to one of the minions ?
Post by: Aplsos on June 20, 2013, 03:42:07 pm
I was considering this just for having it passive bonuses and a use for my throwing slot, or does anyone know of a more useful throwing weapon?The coin has 100% armor penetration, which makes it a great bell killer early if you didn't nuke the tutorial NPCs for their weapons, and useful against high PV enemies like hermit crabs. It's still worth getting as swap for seeinvis and skills, as you mentioned.
Throwing is worse than the other ranged options for raw damage because your accuracy and power fall off hard with distance, (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ranged_Weapons) but it makes a great support skill for melee characters. Throwing trains Tactics, and weapons with sound/mind/nerve damage wind are useful for disabling enemies before you close in. Being able to accurately toss potions will make the more advanced bombrocks much less dangerous, as they won't explode if you get them wet.
Curious how to get the skills showing under the compass like you did.Hit * when hovering over a skill in your character sheet.
Post by: Robsoie on June 20, 2013, 03:56:49 pm
question : i notice lightsabre increase the ether disease expansion.Nope. Ether is the A+ #1 Best Material you can give to your pets because they can't be corrupted.
But does this have an effect if you have given a lightsabre to one of the minions ?
Great to know, i was worried being in the proximity of one of my lightsaber equipped minion could affect me somehow.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 20, 2013, 04:46:27 pm
I was considering this just for having it passive bonuses and a use for my throwing slot, or does anyone know of a more useful throwing weapon?The coin has 100% armor penetration, which makes it a great bell killer early if you didn't nuke the tutorial NPCs for their weapons, and useful against high PV enemies like hermit crabs. It's still worth getting as swap for seeinvis and skills, as you mentioned.
Throwing is worse than the other ranged options for raw damage because your accuracy and power fall off hard with distance, (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ranged_Weapons) but it makes a great support skill for melee characters. Throwing trains Tactics, and weapons with sound/mind/nerve damage wind are useful for disabling enemies before you close in. Being able to accurately toss potions will make the more advanced bombrocks much less dangerous, as they won't explode if you get them wet.
Agreed. Throwing weapons tend to have a lot of nice status and damage effects, which makes them great for melee characters. Starting off a fight against a high speed enemy with a bleed from a shuriken is great. Potion chucking is some serious business and shouldn't be ignored either.
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Curious how to get the skills showing under the compass like you did.Hit * when hovering over a skill in your character sheet.
Wow! Never knew that! Thanks!
Post by: Ivefan on June 20, 2013, 05:40:22 pm
The coin has 100% armor penetration, which makes it a great bell killer early if you didn't nuke the tutorial NPCs for their weapons, and useful against high PV enemies like hermit crabs. It's still worth getting as swap for seeinvis and skills, as you mentioned.I'm a level 55 mage, so I won't be throwing anything. Which I was curious if there was anything else to put in that slot just for the bonuses
Post by: Aplsos on June 20, 2013, 06:24:05 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2013, 06:47:04 pm
No just kidding that's stupid don't do it
Didn't think of using the throwing slot that way though. I prefer to use actual throwing weapons like panties though because I never noticed the damage dropoff back when I was a mighty hero like you folks.
Post by: Robsoie on June 20, 2013, 07:34:45 pm
Very good to know, as my character was wielding both the Staff of Insanity and the Scythe of Void due to the amazing bonus they provide (and unfortunately wielding 2 weapons is giving a malus in chances to cast a spell, similarly to riding, shield wielding or using medium or heavy armor)
Now that i learned that, it's going to be very different story in some battles in which often a casting failure could lead to a minion being killed.
Post by: etgfrog on June 20, 2013, 07:53:49 pm
I had no idea you could put items in the "Shoot" slot, i thought it was only for ranged weaponry.this was added in 1.20, i was mentioning it earlier...guess i got ignored...
Very good to know, as my character was wielding both the Staff of Insanity and the Scythe of Void due to the amazing bonus they provide (and unfortunately wielding 2 weapons is giving a malus in chances to cast a spell, similarly to riding, shield wielding or using medium or heavy armor)
Now that i learned that, it's going to be very different story in some battles in which often a casting failure could lead to a minion being killed.
regardless, the shoot slot is basically what you have on your back...but it is interesting as it shows the weapon or shield being thrown at the enemy
what is interesting though...if you eat a weapon that has "it stops time" will cause time to stop...so any extra weapons that you have that has that on it, turn it into raw then hold onto it as a stop time potion
Post by: Alkhemia on June 20, 2013, 08:22:12 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on June 20, 2013, 09:19:41 pm
Ye gods, I think this is the luckiest character I've ever had.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2013, 09:42:29 pm
Same as with "it brings an end" not sure if random artifacts can get that though.Yeah, someone (etg?) made a lightsaber with it.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 20, 2013, 10:19:04 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 20, 2013, 11:21:52 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 20, 2013, 11:31:49 pm
I thought only fame did that.
I decided to get a bit of time alone, sent my minions army to town.
While travelling, i was ambushed.
Was a bit hard, i had to teleport several times, but my powerfull magic dart finally destroyed the enemies.
Then i went back to my storage house and using the carpentry skill i built 250 barrels (no idea i had so many materials), it leveled up several time the Carpentry skills in the process.
I went to Vernis and could sold only 50 as the cargo merchant didn't have that much money (and i didn't invested on it)
So i decided to go to Derphy instead of having to wait for another day for the merchant to get more gold.
As i expected, i was ambushed, i teleported immediately, and landed near a border, i considered the fight wouldn't be worth it, so i moved 1 tile toward the border
And saw 5 members of the ambush party moving close to me and killing me ...
All of that while i only took a single turn of mine.
Considering they were at the middle of the map as usual, and i was in the border, what they did was then playing at least easily 50 turns if not more while i was playing only 1 turn
I simply never saw this before, and looking on the log, i saw they were a bit more than level 50 , the same kind of level they were from the ambush before , but while they were fast and were playing a few turns while i was playing one, it was -nowhere- near close to the insane kind of "fast" they were.
I don't know if it's something new to Elona+ or if it has always been like this (i thought their power was only dependant on fame, and in the wiki i didn't read anything about your cargo boosting their attributes), because i never used the carpentry skill before now to build that much cargo.
So in case you're trying to make easy money with the Carpentry skill (barrel needs only a skill of 8 , and material that are numerous in the dungeons spots) , make sure your world map travels with the cargo is very, very short to reduce your chance of getting that kind of encounter
Because high powered ambush party at high fame can be hard , but high powered ambush party on steroid because you travel with nearly 2 hundred barrels is overkill.
I wish there was a Dwarf Fortress-like Arena , i really would have liked to see one of those silly overpowered ambush members against one of the overpowered south bosses .
From what i see if they're able to have so many dozen of turns for one of mine (i'm speed 133) , i'm not sure the south boss guy would really stand a chance.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 20, 2013, 11:45:39 pm
You're stealing all my wishes! :PAdded: looks like I need to get carpentry If only I could find the trainers in those towns.
Post by: etgfrog on June 21, 2013, 12:01:30 am
yes, it was the only one that was godly out of the 80 or so lightsabers i could craft with the materials i had, mostly trying to move away from this character and play a legit char since well...there is a cheated item i have and that is probably how i got the large stacks of hermes blood but oh well, this is a char that i've been playing on an off for quite a while...and usually when i get bored of a single player game i tend to try to break it with cheat engine...but this one eluded me as there is just one item that kind of tipped me off...which was the boots of seven leagues which i never since picking the char up again looked to replace...because well it wasn't something you can easily replace...up until i recently found another one in a dungeon and saw the one i have had ALL resistances at (#######+)...so it was time to reincarnate and leave most of the items behind...good chance to try out no future mode though..Same as with "it brings an end" not sure if random artifacts can get that though.Yeah, someone (etg?) made a lightsaber with it.
interesting though...in no future mode if you save and exit while in a dungeon then you load with a punishment hex on you and...what? karma is set to -100 if you load a save from outside of your home? :o
well...also in no future you don't regain karma when you die to a guard...and you drop EVERYTHING you have...
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 21, 2013, 12:59:06 am
(also because I'm a wuss)
Post by: etgfrog on June 21, 2013, 01:15:05 am
ok...so far...step 1...gather food from outside, get large enough piles to identify what is what(the largest pile will almost always be regular)
step 2...poke into puppy cave and gather equipment
stuck at home due to etherwind :'(
Ah...it makes sense now...the 21 slot inventory, so you don't try to carry everything you can while your building up your stockpile of stuff
Post by: Ivefan on June 21, 2013, 02:43:17 am
i built 250 barrelsThat is your problem. you are overburdened and probably had like 10 speed at most because cargo weight does matter.
What you do is you just bring the carpenter tools, craft a few and sell them and then you go to the next town and craft some more.
Post by: kcwong on June 21, 2013, 03:33:48 am
Post by: hachnslay on June 21, 2013, 03:48:16 am
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Post by: Kaje on June 21, 2013, 04:01:25 am
A) Which is better, Elona or Elona+?
B) Does anyone have a link to the latest English version of either/both?
Post by: Tarran on June 21, 2013, 04:06:11 am
Still exploring E+Depends on if you think his stats are good or have potential. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Goda_the_captain_of_orc) Though by your level it's awfully late for him. You still could try gene engineering him though.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I posted on here a while back, and can't find it (I'm sure someone replied, but I went on a short break and now can't find it!) but...A: Elona+ is better because it has more stuff and is actively being developed. Base Elona is more... "Polished" if anything, but definitely behind in features to Elona+.
A) Which is better, Elona or Elona+?
B) Does anyone have a link to the latest English version of either/both?
B: Elona (http://noaneko.squares.net/dev/) (At least I assume this is where you get it, I think the file is "elona122.zip"), and Elona+ (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmv7mo349ehd7l1/1HKVFYzJ0p/elonaplus).
Post by: hachnslay on June 21, 2013, 04:27:19 am
...by your level it's awfully late for him. You still could try gene engineering him though.this is literally my second dungeon. haven't even started the main quest yet. also: i dropped down the stairs of the puppy cave and immediately lost the cooler box... that was my first dungeon in which i explored about 200 floors over 2 months. then i went here.
Post by: Kaje on June 21, 2013, 04:32:10 am
Post by: hachnslay on June 21, 2013, 04:50:04 am
Spoiler: remember kids, always spoiler your pictures (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kaje on June 21, 2013, 04:58:37 am
Post by: hachnslay on June 21, 2013, 05:06:02 am
What's with the endless lists of awful Aliases? Can I not create my own?no, they are randomly generated.
just reroll untill you get something good.
Example: i had played a fairy pianist earlier, then reincarnated him.
"Fairy Child" is my alias.
Spoiler: <Goda> stats (click to show/hide)
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 21, 2013, 06:52:57 am
What's with the endless lists of awful Aliases? Can I not create my own?
Well, you can change it if you're willing to Snack (save edit) it.
If you're playing just for fun, then go right ahead, but if you're not, as in you want to enjoy the pain of death and such, avoid it. You'll be tempted to edit your stats, trust me.
Post by: guessingo on June 21, 2013, 10:26:54 am
This game looks like it has not been enhanced in a while so its basically static right? Just asking before I go spend hours on it and die a million times. I went to the forums and it does not appear to be real active.
Post by: Ivefan on June 21, 2013, 10:34:40 am
E+ has some small balancing changes to the base, makes mages viable and adds content after standard elona. So I would say that you should just play elona+ from the start
Post by: Robsoie on June 21, 2013, 10:56:52 am
i built 250 barrelsThat is your problem. you are overburdened and probably had like 10 speed at most because cargo weight does matter.
What you do is you just bring the carpenter tools, craft a few and sell them and then you go to the next town and craft some more.
Aren't cargo items like barrels supposed to be in the cargo cart, not counted in the inventory burden ?
It looks like it because they added nothing to my current burden status.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 21, 2013, 11:03:14 am
Post by: guessingo on June 21, 2013, 11:04:35 am
this link was from the elona wiki.
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?FrontPage
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 21, 2013, 11:06:15 am
I looked at this. This is not a rogue like right? or is it? Its just a very hard RPG.
It is a roguelike with heavy JRPG influences. It is in no way a roguelike purist, but it is absolutely a roguelike.
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I saw an elona+ mod or something like that. should I play staight elona first? Sometimes these mods just make the game harder and you need to play the regular games first. I am in the ADOM 1.2 beta so I know about hard rogue likes (though I really do suck at these games).
No, go right to Elona+. Elona base development stopped ages ago, and the vast majority the community considers Elona+ to be the unofficial official continuation of the game's development.
If you're familiar with the roguelike Cataclysm: Elona+ is to Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead as Elona is to Whales' Cataclysm.
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This game looks like it has not been enhanced in a while so its basically static right? Just asking before I go spend hours on it and die a million times. I went to the forums and it does not appear to be real active.
Elona+ is frequently and actively updated. They have added two more acts to the game, wonderful balancing changes that make many more builds viable, and a number of great additions (pet evolution, a new God that goes a long way to balance out early game grind, etc).
Post by: Robsoie on June 21, 2013, 11:08:24 am
How can i know how much of that "hidden" burden the cart can play on my character speed so i can know what's safe to travel with and what's not ?
As in the X (examine) items all i can see is the cargo (food or other kind) weight, i don't see any hint at how much they actually weight on my character speed
Post by: Ygdrad on June 21, 2013, 11:18:33 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 21, 2013, 11:24:39 am
What are some good buff spells to aim for?Not many around so it depends on what you need. Feather & shield for dv/pv, resistance for... resistances. Hero if you want dex&str. Speed is a no brainer.
Most of these you'll want to level a bit though, to get the duration up, and you'll also increase the buffed value.
The values at the levels I got them:
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Post by: hachnslay on June 21, 2013, 11:28:44 am
Spoiler: do you know who is in the pyramid? (click to show/hide)
...the Cargo cart can initially hold 80 cargo. if you look at the [X]amine menu the bottom right number is how much you are carrying.
How can i know how much of that "hidden" burden the cart can play on my character speed so i can know what's safe to travel with and what's not ?
As in the X (examine) items all i can see is the cargo (food or other kind) weight, i don't see any hint at how much they actually weight on my character speed
You can upgrade the cargo cart at the dwarven workshop.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 21, 2013, 11:30:27 am
It's odd there's no warning message like the burden one that transform into burden! then overweight when it comes to the inventory, if my cart is overworked.http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Cart or
How can i know how much of that "hidden" burden the cart can play on my character speed so i can know what's safe to travel with and what's not ?
As in the X (examine) items all i can see is the cargo (food or other kind) weight, i don't see any hint at how much they actually weight on my character speed
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Your cart is used to hold any item marked as cargo, such as cargos of traveler's food or any item bought off a trader NPC. Cargo items (apart from food) may be sold in other towns for a profit (or a loss). If you happen to run into rogues and choose to hand over what they ask, you will lose all your cargo (carry a rod of teleportation!).
Items in your cart do not count towards your personal weight limit, but your cart does have its own weight limit and your travel speed will decrease when it is exceeded. This limit can be increased by visiting Miral and Garok andpaying small medals to increase your cart size. The cost of the upgrade is initially one medal, and then increases by one for every subsequent upgrade.
In Elona+ if your cargo weight goes over your cart's limit, then you won't be able to return; this limitation is not present in regular Elona. Further, upgrading your cart's limit costs multiples of 10 platinum coins (i.e., 10 for the first upgrade, 20 for the second upgrade, etc)
Post by: Robsoie on June 21, 2013, 11:52:22 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 21, 2013, 12:32:06 pm
Somewhat related, since that music pack was made with only the vanilla Elona areas implemented, the music for the new areas (all of South Tyris) isn't listed in the musiclist.txt, making everything silent and boring. This also has the side effect of making all music discs with numbers higher than ~30-40 play... silence.
I propose we start compiling some more music to make our own Elona+ music pack (sort of), so that South Tyris is less dreary and quiet.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 21, 2013, 01:57:06 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 21, 2013, 02:05:45 pm
And when it starts it runs for a few days and then its over until the next quarter month
Post by: Ygdrad on June 21, 2013, 02:34:51 pm
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This is going to buy my Juere Infantry a LOT of training.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 21, 2013, 02:38:00 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 21, 2013, 02:44:31 pm
Just imagine 1/4 tiles in a large section of the cave that have been mined out containing a random ore/crystal/bar/junk drop, and 1/3 of those tiles containing multiples.
Post by: Ivefan on June 21, 2013, 03:08:23 pm
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Post by: Robsoie on June 21, 2013, 03:45:48 pm
About the mage guild, after finding and reading a Harvest spellbook, it's now listed in the books i can reserve at the shop, but when i select it, all i get is a " ah that book is unavailable "
In all the huge list of book i can reserve by now, that's the 1st time i see that message preventing me to reserve it
Is there some conditions to reserve it that i don't know ? i have already invested in the shop to lv80 , starting to get expensive there
Post by: Ivefan on June 21, 2013, 03:52:43 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 21, 2013, 03:57:18 pm
Post by: Kaitol on June 21, 2013, 04:14:14 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 21, 2013, 04:16:30 pm
Considering getting some pets just for fun rather than to go for the standard in the "These are good" list
Post by: Haschel on June 21, 2013, 04:46:53 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 21, 2013, 05:14:38 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on June 21, 2013, 06:12:28 pm
which is actually why asuras are a desirable melee pet...but I do have a question...what happens if you mod yourself to have two shoot and ammo slots?
I'm not sure that's possible.
Post by: Frostbite on June 21, 2013, 07:53:00 pm
Slaves or find some way to catch them?
Post by: Ygdrad on June 21, 2013, 07:58:06 pm
Just made a new mage character, What are some good pets i should aim for and where can i get them?..
Slaves or find some way to catch them?
Early on, the Juere Infantry sold by the slave trader(you need to be lv4+) is pretty awesome. Just give him a weapon and shield, or make him 2h something good and give him a good throwing weapon and you're set. He hurts a fair bit and can tank very well.
Post by: Kaitol on June 21, 2013, 08:34:32 pm
Wat do?
Post by: alway on June 21, 2013, 08:42:50 pm
Huh. My black angel isn't shooting her bow, and just charging in with the katana she started with.Make sure you also gave it the correct ammo. Needs to be arrows; bolts are only for crossbows.
Wat do?
Post by: Kaitol on June 21, 2013, 08:52:31 pm
EDIT: Oh for christ's sake. When you give a pet a bow and it asks if you want to equip it to range? Tell it no. Freaking switched up menu crap. Asks if you want it to be equipped to range, then puts it in a hand slot when you say yes. Shes still charging in half the time but at least she's shooting the thing occasionally.
Post by: kcwong on June 22, 2013, 12:58:34 am
I was hunting treasure and realized the old world map is outdated - some forests/trees are different.
Post by: etgfrog on June 22, 2013, 12:59:58 am
Anyone knows if there's an updated world map?http://images.wikia.com/elona/images/6/63/Northtyris117.png
I was hunting treasure and realized the old world map is outdated - some forests/trees are different.
http://images.wikia.com/elona/images/4/4a/SouthTyris.jpg
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 22, 2013, 01:59:03 am
Post by: Ivefan on June 22, 2013, 06:08:50 am
Post by: Niveras on June 22, 2013, 07:22:13 am
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Small_medal (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Small_medal)
There are single medals hidden in various fixed locations in north tyris, but those don't respawn (without cheating anyway). There are other "farmable" methods that can rarely provide medals but dungeons seem to be the most reliable method with the largest income.
Post by: Ivefan on June 22, 2013, 07:38:20 am
...but dungeons seem to be the most reliable method with the largest income.I feared that was so, and the static coins are long gone.
Post by: kcwong on June 22, 2013, 08:12:33 am
...but dungeons seem to be the most reliable method with the largest income.I feared that was so, and the static coins are long gone.
Gather 100/500 coins (a material). Treasure balls and treasure maps often have small medals.
Post by: Ivefan on June 22, 2013, 08:16:17 am
Post by: Flying Dice on June 22, 2013, 09:04:11 am
You can also win 100y and 500y coins in the arena (every 5/20 battles respectively), which, when combined with high luck for opening the treasure balls, can net you a pretty good haul if you put time into it.
Post by: hachnslay on June 22, 2013, 10:03:02 am
about small medals ... buy every harvest spellbook you find.
Post by: Blaze on June 22, 2013, 10:14:54 am
Post by: hachnslay on June 22, 2013, 11:18:54 am
If you've got access to South Tyris, you can spend music tickets to buy happy apples.i started 2 weeks ago, that is nowhere near south T.
I'm only 150 hours in.
also: i recently summoned stuff by reading something a little out of my league.
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Post by: Robsoie on June 22, 2013, 01:27:32 pm
Though avoid killing those random nobles and tourists directly, as it gives a karma hit that will be annoying to access merchants, use Summon Monster and teleport away to let the monster kill those nobles/tourists, then get back and fetch the nice ores they leave behind.
But for named NPC, it's battle time. Though be sure your character is powerfull enough, because guys like Loyter and "Dwell in Vanity" are really powerfull on their own, but if you have some teleport + powerfull direct attack spell (magic dart is fun at high level) , you should be able to kite them to death.
I got several of the figurines/cards i wanted, and noticed that it's a good source of artifacts too, sometime one of the unique "rich" named guy (not noble, don't mistake them, you can kill those "rich" named NPC without karma problem) and some of the unique NPC can drop superb loot.
Now if you're trying to play with keeping your Fame high to unlock Panic/Challenge missions and high level Hunting ones, losing a Party mission result in a big Fame hit (more than 1000 fame each time).
I went from 55000 fame to 34000 after grinding those missions (and lost access to Challenge mission and the Hunting ones have lost several difficulty levels unfortunately and then reward).
Will take a while to get back that much lost fame.
The only good side is that from level 50/60 , the rogue ambush members are level 30/40 now and at my character status are not a problem at all anymore even without using teleporting.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 22, 2013, 01:51:22 pm
Post by: Blaze on June 22, 2013, 02:01:15 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 22, 2013, 02:31:52 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 22, 2013, 02:55:09 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on June 22, 2013, 06:58:21 pm
so...there is something wrong with the no future mode that turns it from hard mode to tedious, if you or a pet kills a creature of the dog or cat race you lose 30 karma...that includes hounds...so its effectively impossible to keep karma above hostile...yea, you could potentially play as a criminal...it would make things rather hard to do the main quest...specifically having to get enough for disguise kits to talk to quest npcsSounds like a bug or something
Post by: Haschel on June 22, 2013, 07:32:59 pm
so...there is something wrong with the no future mode that turns it from hard mode to tedious, if you or a pet kills a creature of the dog or cat race you lose 30 karma...that includes hounds...so its effectively impossible to keep karma above hostile...yea, you could potentially play as a criminal...it would make things rather hard to do the main quest...specifically having to get enough for disguise kits to talk to quest npcsKinda makes me wonder, how plausible would a purely criminal character be? You can use skill points in place of platinum to train potentials to some extent, but you'd lose a lot access to useful shops... That actually sounds like a fun challenge, and you wouldn't have to worry about grinding quests at least.
Post by: Tarran on June 22, 2013, 07:44:12 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 22, 2013, 08:27:06 pm
Actualy this is where potions of descent would help...staying at and below level 5...problem is...you end up gaining exp too fast and honestly would end up shooting to level 8 before you could do much, already my char is getting 1 shotted by wizards of elea since cant keep resist gear.
Post by: Robsoie on June 22, 2013, 08:45:08 pm
As went over the requirement in amount of medals, i'm considering buying the Diablo weapon.
But what would be a great and melee-only minion to wield it usefully (as my character is wizard, melee is not what i'm going to do in battles) meaning one that move quickly and can hit several times by turns, while not being squishy and dying from anything ?
I can afford getting a rod of domination too if needed.
When i'll re-reach the required amount of medals at some point, i guess buying the Shield Tonfa would compliment whatever minions will have the Diablo very nicely.
Post by: etgfrog on June 22, 2013, 08:52:23 pm
That "no future" mode sounds like some exercise in masochism ;)http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Kaneda_Bike
As went over the requirement in amount of medals, i'm considering buying the Diablo weapon.
But what would be a great and melee-only minion to wield it usefully (as my character is wizard, melee is not what i'm going to do in battles) meaning one that move quickly and can hit several times by turns, while not being squishy and dying from anything ?
I can afford getting a rod of domination too if needed.
When i'll re-reach the required amount of medals at some point, i guess buying the Shield Tonfa would compliment whatever minions will have the Diablo very nicely.
actually reasonably easy to get, just need to remember to go to noyel during the jure festival.
Post by: alway on June 22, 2013, 09:04:12 pm
Which should always be done anyway. After all, nothing like a fire giant to make the vendors drop good loot.That "no future" mode sounds like some exercise in masochism ;)http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Kaneda_Bike
As went over the requirement in amount of medals, i'm considering buying the Diablo weapon.
But what would be a great and melee-only minion to wield it usefully (as my character is wizard, melee is not what i'm going to do in battles) meaning one that move quickly and can hit several times by turns, while not being squishy and dying from anything ?
I can afford getting a rod of domination too if needed.
When i'll re-reach the required amount of medals at some point, i guess buying the Shield Tonfa would compliment whatever minions will have the Diablo very nicely.
actually reasonably easy to get, just need to remember to go to noyel during the jure festival.
Post by: Robsoie on June 22, 2013, 09:06:50 pm
Post by: etgfrog on June 22, 2013, 09:09:49 pm
I thought that character was joke, but it's that good as a melee minion ? Enough slots for weapon+shield ?http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Bike
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 22, 2013, 09:22:43 pm
Or if in Elona+, http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/BehicleI thought that character was joke, but it's that good as a melee minion ? Enough slots for weapon+shield ?http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Bike
Post by: etgfrog on June 22, 2013, 09:24:00 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 22, 2013, 09:47:48 pm
Will be very usefull then :)
Post by: etgfrog on June 22, 2013, 11:01:11 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 22, 2013, 11:02:16 pm
Post by: docthoi on June 22, 2013, 11:09:22 pm
Mine is at 1 and it says the original is 7.
Also, with 1 Charisma, is it still possible to receive pet rewarded by Gods? I have 3 pets atm and all of them were from the time when i had 15 Charismas.
Post by: Robsoie on June 22, 2013, 11:36:16 pm
If you have a blessed water potion (can be obtained from having a potion of water that you simply drop on an altar of your god), mix it with that potion of cure corruption for better effect.
This should cure your ether corruption.
Post by: docthoi on June 22, 2013, 11:44:22 pm
Is it possible to have thich neck and festered and can still train Charisma?
Post by: etgfrog on June 23, 2013, 12:04:49 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 23, 2013, 12:08:43 am
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You have sore face. (-Charisma 4 + Lv / 5)*I'm not sure if that means it scales with your level or if it's scaled only when you first get it. Actually been wondering about it myself.
So training more charisma than you lose might be a little hard.
Post by: Ogdibus on June 23, 2013, 12:14:19 am
Post by: etgfrog on June 23, 2013, 12:24:48 am
anyways, so I got the soul spindle...yet i don't think it has anything to do with the showroom...no options there...so maybe its something else?
Post by: Tarran on June 23, 2013, 12:30:43 am
So I'm pushing onwards in no future mode anyways just to see if I will end up losing stats faster then I can gain...but I will say that its...a bit annoying and I HEAVILY discourage the use of fairies in no future as this mode subtracts -20 life and mana off of the base char, so fairies would probably end up with 20 life to start. It is also to note that kobolds are the real pet killer early game as their special puts a very heavy bleed that takes off about 60 or so hpWait, specials from Kobolds? Are you using Elona+ 1.21 or 1.20?
Post by: etgfrog on June 23, 2013, 12:39:02 am
Wait, specials from Kobolds? Are you using Elona+ 1.21 or 1.20?1.21...specials got nerfed a bit so it doesn't 1 hit ko you, however the axe effect will put Bleeding! on you, no future mode removes the restriction on specials.
Post by: kcwong on June 23, 2013, 04:42:31 am
(http://i.imgur.com/kMytrIKl.jpg) (http://imgur.com/kMytrIK)
Choosing the options will ask you to choose a pet, then the screen fading to black and back... and apparently something done to your pet.
Edit:
I found it.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Doctor_Gavela
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The biologist from the Ambitious Scientist subquest can re-initialize the PC's or pet's body pieces at the cost of 1 life. Be warned however that for mutants this will also remove all slots gained through levels, and it may not be possible to regain these limbs through earning xp.
Post by: Aplsos on June 23, 2013, 06:35:52 am
Very good to know, as my character was wielding both the Staff of Insanity and the Scythe of Void due to the amazing bonus they provide (and unfortunately wielding 2 weapons is giving a malus in chances to cast a spell, similarly to riding, shield wielding or using medium or heavy armor)
Spell enhancement from gear doesn't stack, only the highest is counted (the scythe in this case.)
Post by: Robsoie on June 23, 2013, 11:40:09 am
Argh, so many time wasted instead of wearing other items.
Do the resistances stack or is that the same annoyance as the spell improvements and only one will count ?
Post by: etgfrog on June 23, 2013, 12:22:36 pm
Post by: Robsoie on June 23, 2013, 12:26:03 pm
:D
Post by: Robsoie on June 23, 2013, 04:48:29 pm
As he had fellow relationships, i opened it , hoping for a medal but instead got a little sister spawning.
Considering the stats i have no reason to enlist her in my personnal army, so she's just randomly moving in my cave home, probably annoying the maid.
Today, i hauled to my home a training machine that spawned in a nearby level 60 random dungeon
After trying to enter in the shelter i installed already to leave the training machine inside, and noticed that when overweight the entry to my own shelter was denied, i noticed in the message log :
(http://i.imgur.com/quwLdhr.jpg)
The AI is as insane as ever.
Post by: Alkhemia on June 23, 2013, 05:06:20 pm
Some months ago a NPC visiting gave me a new year giftwell she drank sulfuric acid you are a bad big brother/sister
As he had fellow relationships, i opened it , hoping for a medal but instead got a little sister spawning.
Considering the stats i have no reason to enlist her in my personnal army, so she's just randomly moving in my cave home, probably annoying the maid.
Today, i hauled to my home a training machine that spawned in a nearby level 60 random dungeon
After trying to enter in the shelter i installed already to leave the training machine inside, and noticed that when overweight the entry to my own shelter was denied, i noticed in the message log :
(http://i.imgur.com/quwLdhr.jpg)
The AI is as insane as ever.
Post by: Robsoie on June 23, 2013, 05:28:14 pm
I should probably be cautious next time i sleep in my cave :D
More seriously, i just met and killed the level 60 random dungeon boss, he wasn't as strong as i feared but that was a character i never saw before .
And he just asked to join me after the battle !
(http://i.imgur.com/ieF7f0M.jpg)
Looking on the wiki, he seems rather good :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Murder_Knight
I had the good idea in not filling my army with pets but letting slots open.
And i met a lot of monsters i never saw before in that random dungeon by the way, the worst is the "emergency bell" on those big levels without walls, it forces every monster of the whole level to go to your location to attack you, that's insane .
Post by: etgfrog on June 23, 2013, 05:50:21 pm
as for dungeon crawling, you will be seeing more and more new mobs as you continue on.
Post by: Robsoie on June 23, 2013, 06:01:55 pm
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Post by: Haschel on June 23, 2013, 08:09:40 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on June 23, 2013, 08:30:19 pm
Post by: Aplsos on June 23, 2013, 08:31:34 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on June 23, 2013, 09:06:27 pm
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Post by: Aplsos on June 23, 2013, 10:06:42 pm
Post by: Felius on June 23, 2013, 10:51:33 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 23, 2013, 11:27:18 pm
You might also be able to pickpocket them but most likely not.
Post by: Seriyu on June 24, 2013, 12:02:29 am
Post by: Steele on June 24, 2013, 12:06:09 am
Be mindful of how heavy the item you want is before trying to take it when there are NPCs around.
Kinda hard to put a tree in your pocket without someone noticing, you know?
Post by: Robsoie on June 24, 2013, 12:57:13 am
And now while clearing a level 50 random dungeon, one of the monsters (not even the boss) just dropped an "Another Heart".
Some nice luck, except for the fact that none of my pets can be evolved with that heart, and from looking on the wiki, the pets that can use it are not really leading into anything awesome, i wish it would have been one of the other heart dropping there.
At least it will look nice in my artifact storage house.
And meteor is awesome, the boss level was waiting for me with a ton of very resistant wasp-like creature (didn't checked the name, but they could take a few high powered magic darts and still poison me badly) that were filling the whole room
I decided to cast Meteor (never used it and got it from dream long time ago) and wow
What an amazing spell
Post by: hachnslay on June 24, 2013, 04:04:34 am
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my dwarf is now bigger than the average human.
On the top side i now have potions of lucky day.
and now ... wait what?
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i am currently trying to get the statue of the king before he permanently dies ... how overpowered is that guy?
Post by: JosephWongKS on June 25, 2013, 05:08:57 am
I had a monster drop the "Evolution Heart" previously during a Panic town mission, i gave it to the little girl to obtain a valkyrie
And now while clearing a level 50 random dungeon, one of the monsters (not even the boss) just dropped an "Another Heart".
Some nice luck, except for the fact that none of my pets can be evolved with that heart, and from looking on the wiki, the pets that can use it are not really leading into anything awesome, i wish it would have been one of the other heart dropping there.
The problem with the whole pet evolution mechanic is that bells are so awesome that they render even the evolved pets completely irrelevant. A simple silver bell, which you can find in the Puppy Cave and capture with a Lvl 5 Monster Ball (that you can get from the Kapul genetic engineering quest) and judicious use of thrown poison potions / shurikens, will (once equipped with a decent ranged weapon) out-damage pretty much anything you can find in North Tyris.
Post by: hachnslay on June 25, 2013, 05:23:09 am
Outdamage anything?
my <Goda> deals 800 damage minimum per swing.
200 against metal.
And bells die to dragon breath attacks in the North Tyris late game.
Now if only i could find a monster with Traveling in E+ so goda can start leveling his skills faster ...
Edit: nevermind, those 8 books of little sister are finally good for something ...
Post by: JosephWongKS on June 25, 2013, 05:36:35 am
in Elona+ the only thing bells are good for is giving them panties for confusion.
Outdamage anything?
my <Goda> deals 800 damage minimum per swing.
200 against metal.
What level is your Goda? And what equipment did you give it? Goda has a base speed of 71 at Lvl 1; a silver bell has a base speed of 678 at Lvl 3. Unless you've fed him massive amounts of speed upper and hermes blood, there's no way that Goda can out-damage an equivalently-leveled and -equipped bell.
And bells die to dragon breath attacks in the North Tyris late game.
Not if you've gene-engineered a full set of limbs and put rubynus equipment in each slot, which is far, far easier to do than bringing Goda up to the same speed as a silver bell's.
Now if only i could find a monster with Traveling in E+ so goda can start leveling his skills faster ...
Little Girls (which you can get from the slave master in Derphy) grant travelling when gene-engineered into your main pet. You will need two of them - the first one will grant Investment, and the second one will grant travelling.
Post by: JosephWongKS on June 25, 2013, 09:27:36 am
Edit: nevermind, those 8 books of little sister are finally good for something ...
Diaries of Little Sister create a "Younger Sister" when read. Those are different from "Little Girls" and I don't know whether the latter grant Travelling when gene-engineered.
Post by: hachnslay on June 25, 2013, 10:48:50 am
they do.
Edit: nevermind, those 8 books of little sister are finally good for something ...
Diaries of Little Sister create a "Younger Sister" when read. Those are different from "Little Girls" and I don't know whether the latter grant Travelling when gene-engineered.
also: my godo's stats were posted earlier.
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 25, 2013, 01:12:34 pm
Personally I caught a couple of platina bells but couldn't bring myself to unleash them on the world. :P
Post by: Alkhemia on June 25, 2013, 01:27:10 pm
Post by: Ivefan on June 25, 2013, 01:41:48 pm
Some might think that using bells, or even any large group of pets in general, cheapens the whole experience.Yeah. I only considered training and/or gene manipulate some promising ones rather than the ones that are good from the start.
Post by: Yorisou on June 25, 2013, 09:52:21 pm
I could catch a Tyrannobreaker, but decided instead to go through the effort of making a T-Rex just as strong. The project is going well so far, but I'm still storing up appropriate gene engineering critters. EDIT: Doing this out of nostalgic loyalty to my trusty t-rex. I hold out hope that someday I will be able to evolve him. :)
Post by: hachnslay on June 26, 2013, 02:14:48 pm
She has no throwing weapon.
Spoiler: Exhibit A (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Exhibit B (click to show/hide)
is the absorb MP worth it?
my main damage output will be magic dart and eclipse/crystal spear
Post by: Robsoie on June 26, 2013, 03:07:26 pm
The only cons of the Absorb Magic special action is that you can't abuse it too much as it makes you tired.
But in a middle of a battle you can still use it several time in a row, i still think it's a much better choice that relying on the absorb mp from a weapon, because if you're unlucky you're not going to hit anything for a while, and then no mp absorbed, while Absorb Magic will gives you mana everytime, enough to cast more magic darts
edit : oops my bad, Absorb Magic is a great special action you get from worshipping Itzpalt , so maybe you don't have it .
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 26, 2013, 03:34:46 pm
I'm biased toward panties though.
Post by: Patchy on June 27, 2013, 04:15:22 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on June 27, 2013, 04:36:13 pm
By the way, I happened across a rather nice trade with an adventurer a level ago on my new pianist.
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I'm trying to decide if it's worth hanging on to past the fight with Vesda. I mean, even if I find a better sword, I'm still almost certainly going to use this against him, what with the #####+ fire resist and damage vs. dragons, but is it worth keeping for the North Tyris endgame, maybe with a superior material scroll to improve the stats?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 27, 2013, 06:20:54 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on June 27, 2013, 06:26:45 pm
Also, that's right, I'd need a kit.
Post by: alway on June 27, 2013, 07:04:28 pm
Post by: somebody on June 27, 2013, 07:17:14 pm
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2013, 07:49:12 pm
Also, that's right, I'd need a kit.I don't think even kits will change the material.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 27, 2013, 08:19:28 pm
I'm pretty sure that they do for Miracle, just not Godly. I might be wrong though, I haven't played in ages.Also, that's right, I'd need a kit.I don't think even kits will change the material.
Post by: Tarran on June 27, 2013, 08:36:14 pm
Post by: Haschel on June 27, 2013, 09:19:52 pm
No, I meant for precious items. The Hiryu-To is a precious item. Precious items as far as I know are utterly unchangable in material.You can re-roll Precious items via the Little sister quest, though the wiki doesn't specify if material type is included in the randomization for Precious items or if that only applies to the lesser artifacts. A Material Kit will randomize attributes of a Precious item, but it will not change the actual material type.
Post by: Flying Dice on June 27, 2013, 09:51:11 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 27, 2013, 10:08:09 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 28, 2013, 07:20:33 pm
Spoiler: Eternal Force! (click to show/hide)
Post by: Alkhemia on June 28, 2013, 08:24:43 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 28, 2013, 08:27:21 pm
So... that's it.
Post by: Flying Dice on July 01, 2013, 12:25:20 pm
Post by: etgfrog on July 01, 2013, 07:08:06 pm
Post by: kcwong on July 06, 2013, 10:27:35 am
Post by: Yorisou on July 11, 2013, 04:45:52 am
In other news, my Golden Knight is now a mudkip and is actually starting to get reasonably decent.
Post by: Alkhemia on July 11, 2013, 04:55:31 am
Post by: Alkhemia on July 11, 2013, 02:07:05 pm
change log from the wiki
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One new evolution pattern was added
-The evoution this refers to appears to be the hamster, although the cub also seems to have an undocumented evolution that was added during this patch or in a recent one.
Added an option for investing in bulk by 50
-The cost is the average price of investing in the shop 50 times, which makes it a cheaper alternative.
-This makes it easier to train your investment skill.
No Future mode only, added an equipment destruction system.
-When you take a large amount of damage, there is a small chance that your equipment will degrade (Enchant -1, most likely).
-Furthermore, acid damage will generally degrade equipment by -4 instead.
-If your equipment's enchant level falls past -10, it will be destroyed. No mercy.
A 'Cancel' option was added to Command Flags and the Directive skill.
-Partially implemented the Nefia (Nephia?) awakening system. (I don't know what this is, so this may be incorrect)
(From my understanding, this is talking about some sort of dungeon or map that is randomly generated from using an item, and there are plans to add in rare items that drop from clearing it later (for now it gives you small medals instead). Also mentions that the boss cannot be dominated, but can be captured with a Monster Ball).
This may be related to the Cradle of Chaos as well, which was added in the same patch, since it is not mentioned elsewhere in the patch notes. The stairs on the 3rd floor are locked and require an item to proceed.
-Added a Return destination option for the third area (Ulm-Leson in Lost Irva).
-Increased the distance needed to travel to raise the traveling skill
On the other hand, the amount of experience you gain per distance was increased
-The quantity of goods a bakery sells now increases at higher shop rank.
(I'm not sure what this is about, something to do with spell reading fail summoning monsters and monsters coming out of the well. I believe the last part mentions a summoning bit and perhaps monsters disappearing after days pass?)
-When an NPC with the Pickpocket skill kills an enemy, they receive a portion of the opponent's money (max of 2000gp). The skill is also raised from this action. This is to give meaning to NPCs having the Pickpocket skill.
-Added a tag for Custom Tones. {しろ}
-Compatibility for using {npc} and {nptc} replacement tags in Custom Tone was restored (?)
-Added Crimberry. They can generally be found in the wild, but cannot be cooked. When eaten, they slightly increase your Sanity level.
-Along with this, a recipe was added to the Pot of Fusion for Crim Ale that requires 10 Crimberries. Narcotics manufacturing pending.
-Added Coffee. The player can drink this to remove a small amount of Sleepy status. If an NPC drinks it, it will cancel their sleep (perhaps prevent them from sleeping?)
-Shadow Step should now not be inhibited in the Pet Arena.
-Trying to equip a pet with a weapon will now properly ask you which slot you would like to equip it in, as well as the number if there's more than one. If you decide to cancel the selection, it will use the usual automatic equipment selection.
[Fixes]
-Fixed notation in several places.
(Mentions using Squeeze to force sleep with pets, but I'm not sure what it means by the pet's spirit/soul and other mentions of attacks)
-You should properly receive an error now when a payday arrives and your salary box is full (more than 401 items) (?)
-When self-updating from a previous version, precious items you have equipped would lose their material effect enchantments.
Updating to 1.22 should re-correct this.
-Male NPC's that had a female tone instead of a male tone should be fixed now. (?)
-Fixed specific character's being able to break walls on the world map.
-Fixed the inability to sell flour and eggs (as well as cooked variants) put in the cooler box. (Except already generated instances) (?)
Post by: Robsoie on July 12, 2013, 02:35:35 am
Going to get back to my character with this version.
Post by: Alkhemia on July 15, 2013, 10:10:57 am
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two new items added: "tree of sakura" (animated tree) and "wood material".
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"kisel", a new usable item in 1.22, finally has a sprite (non-animated sakura tree), but its usage has still not been implemented yet.
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"Cut Tree" special action added.
Needs ax skill of at least 10;
Must have the Negative Edge chainsaw in inventory. Other axe-type weapons, including precious ones, don't work. The chainsaw doesn't need to be equipped.
Stand over a tree, activate the skill. If successful, it'll result in a few "wood material" objects and a stump.
will be used for carpentry in a future patch.
-"Preaching" special action added.
It's basically a unique variety of musical performance, where you start "playing" any nearby object.
Possible outcomes: the audience gives you money (donations), some may convert to your own god, some may turn hostile.
May crash the game occasionally.
-Apparently if you wake up from sleeping around between 4 to 9 in the morning (game time of course) and you have a pet with a high relationship status, there is a random chance that the pet will cook breakfast for you. This can apparently raise your potentials depending on the pet's Cooking skill.
Post by: Alkhemia on August 15, 2013, 11:15:56 am
It been out since the 4th I just forgot to look around for it sorry changelog courtesy of the elona wiki
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one new item added: "repeating bow".
a new dwarven city, Rust Plaza has been added at the eastern edge of Lost Irva.
seven new type of NPCs added to the above location, including three unique characters.
An auxiliary section was added to the character profile for the random personal history table.
(There is mention of changing this after picking your alias, as well as in the Deep sea castle (九頭竜の城) in South Tyris)
new abilities, including "Run Wildry", a kind of berserk mode.
Apparently the Boar class can use this when near death. It decreases Learning, Will, and Dex, while increasing Strength, Perception, and Speed. It will also randomly use Swarm.
The option to 'Attack' your pets has been moved below the Appearance option in the interact menu.
Added blooming Sakura trees to a 'certain' map section in Lost Irva.
Changed the name of several skills, magic, and items.
Melee attacks can strike up to three additional times (Please verify)
The occurrence of this increases with the number of 'hands' you have. (?)
A special action was given the additional effect of depleting an enemy's gauge by 50% after consuming half of your max MP, with a low chance of causing Fear for one turn. I'm unsure if it means the 'Attribute' skill or something else.
Implemented some sort of wetlands area in South Tyris (?)
Pets will recover a large amount of HP when evolved.
(Not sure about the next two lines, something about equipment skills corresponding with targets in line of sight as well as throwing not consuming an item if nothing is targeted?)
The breakfast event gives the pet ten times the amount of experience to their Cooking skill now.
[Fixes]
Doubled the power of the staff gauge skill. (?)
Fixed NPCs blocking you from cutting a tree down while they are eating.
Fixed armor being equipped in weird places when given to pets.
It is impossible to update the gender tones of all NPCs in the game at the same time. It will be corrected when you speak to them.
When a pet's gender is changed, the pet list would not update the gender. This is fixed now. (?)
Fixed breakfast event so it would not still trigger for pets that were lower than Best Friend relationship.
(Something about a 'good feeling' counter and the count being reset for it)
Fixed the max damage record so that it doesn't count suicide damage values.
Fixed Crim berries not being consumed when synthesizing Crim Ale.
Fixed a setting for generated dungeons.
Post by: Bouchart on August 15, 2013, 02:27:43 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on August 15, 2013, 03:20:14 pm
Does the save carry over from version 1.22?yeah it should just make sure you're on the world map to make sure.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 15, 2013, 06:51:50 pm
Thanks.
Post by: Alkhemia on August 15, 2013, 07:20:18 pm
Alrighty, I've not played Elona in awhile, has anything massively changed? I mean, it's been awhile since I even posted here, so the most recent changelogs will almost certainly miss things.How long has it been have you played Elona + yet?
Thanks.
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 15, 2013, 10:03:27 pm
There was a lot of stuff in there that was completely untranslated, and unless i'm thinking of something else, there was a border town/outpost type thing with little to do there...
Post by: Alkhemia on August 15, 2013, 11:29:10 pm
I TECHNICALLY played Elona+...I think.well i think you should just look at this http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona%2B that what new
There was a lot of stuff in there that was completely untranslated, and unless i'm thinking of something else, there was a border town/outpost type thing with little to do there...
Post by: Wolf Tengu on August 16, 2013, 11:51:52 am
Post by: Blaze on August 18, 2013, 07:02:30 pm
So you need to:
1. Be Sleepy.
2. Be on a bed.
3. Use Squeeze on a nearby pet.
Got a more dreams than usual upon doing it.
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Post by: Alkhemia on August 19, 2013, 05:10:51 am
Post by: Blaze on August 19, 2013, 04:39:00 pm
Post by: em312s0n on August 20, 2013, 09:23:33 am
Post by: Asellus on August 20, 2013, 11:13:56 am
Post by: Jolly George on August 20, 2013, 05:18:12 pm
I first got the menu through an accidental keypress. I can't find anything about it on the wiki either.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2013, 05:36:44 pm
Post by: Jolly George on August 20, 2013, 05:45:15 pm
I believe that's from using a dresser, with the t key. You have to either be standing on one (there's one in the king's room in Palmia) or holding one, and then press t, then choose the dresser.
Thanks a bunch! I had completely forgotten about those.
Post by: Propman on August 20, 2013, 10:00:40 pm
And I haven't even completed the main quest yet!
In conclusion, I read this diary I traded from a random adventure, got a little sister, and then proceeded to send her off to train with a crazy shrine maiden that accuses me of murder or something so she doesn't take up a party slot.
Post by: Propman on August 20, 2013, 10:02:11 pm
Darn you slow internet!
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 20, 2013, 10:13:11 pm
I feel extra whiny today.
Post by: Jolly George on August 21, 2013, 03:49:36 am
I should start playing.. but I don't want to run jobs for plat. And I also need to max faith with Opatos and Jure and then Itzpalt and Yacatect and it's all a bit much. Plus I'm a few versions behind since I haven't seriously played since February, so I'd have to update one by one to avoid maximum save explosion....
I feel extra whiny today.
When you begin working on the gods, you might want to start with Yacatect for the monthly plat gemstone and goose.
I updated from E+ 1.10 to 1.24 the other day, when I started playing again. Just make sure to be on the worldmap and you can update to the latest version in one go. I have yet to run into any problems with my old saves.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 21, 2013, 06:06:27 am
I'm using version 1.23 (haven't seen anything that compels me to upgrade to 1.24, especially with my slow and erratic internet connection).
Post by: Jolly George on August 21, 2013, 07:08:26 am
Post by: kcwong on August 21, 2013, 07:51:28 am
Post by: Ogdibus on August 21, 2013, 08:32:43 am
Post by: guessingo on August 21, 2013, 11:00:53 am
one tip i saw in the wiki was to let the initial mobs that attack you in your home hit you for a while. run arond and heal to get skills up. this seemed rather slow and got boring. plus it also took me to level 4 even without hitting back.
Post by: snelg on August 21, 2013, 11:46:39 am
Post by: Blaze on August 21, 2013, 06:22:55 pm
Do the gift items do anything? I'm talking about the brown, square ones, not the god gifts. I thought they were similar to Tokens of Friendship, but I gave one to an adventurer with Friend level relationship and it didn't seem to have an effect.
You mean like "Cheap Gift" or "Exciting Gift"? Give them to NPCs to increase your relationship level by a varying amount.
It's always good to have high relations with adventurers, as they can occasionally come by and have random events like giving you a gift (Which you can give right back), platinum, small medals, or offering to train you (Costing less platinum than a trainer usually).
Post by: Propman on August 21, 2013, 10:45:00 pm
(http://i1018.photobucket.com/albums/af305/Cogmeister/Other%20Stuff/CastlePAIN_zpsca3d3a17.png)
Or, the domination of North Tyris anyway. I should probably invade that mine town next door, whatever it's called. But then again, that one merchant there did supply a good portion of the wings my forces use. Hmmm.
Post by: Alkhemia on August 23, 2013, 04:56:38 pm
Post by: Blaze on August 23, 2013, 05:17:37 pm
Post by: guessingo on August 25, 2013, 02:11:56 pm
also, how do you get stronger without levelling? from what i read, if you level, mobs level and your done, so how do you slow down levelling?
Post by: joemoben on August 25, 2013, 02:49:18 pm
Post by: Blaze on August 25, 2013, 02:52:46 pm
Getting stronger without leveling means building up your stats/skills, which have no relation to your level at all.
Post by: guessingo on August 25, 2013, 04:17:42 pm
is it levelling that makes mobs harder or is it fame?
does this game have a victory?
Post by: joemoben on August 25, 2013, 04:21:54 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on August 25, 2013, 05:20:14 pm
Mostly fame although leveling has a minor effect on it. The game does have a form of victory, but then you get dropped off on another continent where nearly everyone speaks Japanese I do believe.Yeah Act 2 and 3 are not really translated yet but getting to act 2 even takes forever so not a big deal.
Post by: guessingo on August 28, 2013, 01:14:40 pm
Post by: Ivefan on August 28, 2013, 01:47:22 pm
Post by: joemoben on August 28, 2013, 01:57:51 pm
so in terms of taking forever to get to act 2, is this due to scumming or there is just alot to do? the game looks fun, but not sure i want to get into a game that is only partially in english. so i get into it and then cant continue.To be honest I've played the game fordDamn near two years now and haven't even gotten close to him yet. It all depends on how you play, but there is already loads of content before you get anywhere near him.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 28, 2013, 02:18:29 pm
Post by: guessingo on August 30, 2013, 12:52:17 pm
what do you mean 'it depends on how you play' on whether you can get to the final boss or not. this could mean alot of things. i know it means 'it depends if you focus on getting stronger'. what do you do if your not going after the boss?
Post by: guessingo on August 30, 2013, 12:55:37 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 30, 2013, 01:26:22 pm
what do you mean 'it depends on how you play' on whether you can get to the final boss or not. this could mean alot of things. i know it means 'it depends if you focus on getting stronger'. what do you do if your not going after the boss?
Elona is full of randomly generated dungeons of various levels and various randomly generated bosses, some can much harder with more powerfull enemies and items to find than the lowest depth of the Lesimas dungeon (the one ending into the battle with Zeome).
So even after "winning" the game by defeating Zeome, you can still play without ever needing to go to the south continent, as new random dungeons appears regularly on the map
And grinding to have your character , skills, troops, etc... to become stronger through all those dungeons can take a lot of time before you're strong enough to actually beat Zeome.
So you can play Elona forever without being forced to go south.
And even if you go south, you can still go back to the north if you prefer playing there.
Post by: guessingo on August 30, 2013, 02:36:13 pm
Post by: Alkhemia on August 30, 2013, 02:40:54 pm
so the elona+ mod. is that just 'down south' changes? I see south tyris listed on the wiki.http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Elona%2B a lot more then just south tyris
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 30, 2013, 06:27:31 pm
What is 'elm'? I know about the Elona+ mod. Is ELM the vanilla version?ELM stands for Enhanced Love Miracle, another mod. I don't know as many details because it's not as well documented as Elona+ is in English.
Post by: Seriyu on August 30, 2013, 08:44:57 pm
what is involved in translating this game from japanese to english? Is it possible for someone to run it through google translate to get a lousy translation?
You would likely have to edit the .exe? I'm not sure if the scripts are stored anywhere. And honestly given how context based japanese is over english, a machine translation would probably not really... help much, if at all, I'd be willing to bet (I do not know japanese). There's bad translation with wierd grammar and then there's mostly gibberish.
Post by: etgfrog on August 30, 2013, 08:55:11 pm
Post by: Blaze on August 30, 2013, 09:42:05 pm
Then again, my attributes are around the 200+ range and I still haven't touched South Tyris on this character yet.
Post by: pedrousz on August 30, 2013, 10:56:49 pm
I started playing like one or two hours ago and I'm having some fun, but reading people talk about grind looks like that it can be boring.
Post by: Tarran on August 30, 2013, 11:15:20 pm
If you can't understand the Japanese on the site, I suggest Google Translate.
Post by: pedrousz on August 31, 2013, 12:04:23 am
Post by: Carnwennan on August 31, 2013, 08:46:13 am
Post by: Singularity125 on September 01, 2013, 06:31:03 pm
I'm not likely to have the chat view open, but if you see "Mysterious Destiny Takuma" die horribly, that's me. :D
Post by: guessingo on September 02, 2013, 03:02:27 pm
also is there a minimap available for towns/dungeons?
Post by: snelg on September 02, 2013, 03:06:48 pm
Post by: guessingo on September 02, 2013, 03:19:42 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 02, 2013, 03:33:45 pm
Post by: Patchy on September 02, 2013, 03:58:08 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 02, 2013, 08:01:09 pm
I can't really make out the translated notes too well, and there seems to be a number of bugfix releases in a short amount of time, so I'm holding off a bit longer. But, the main thing that intrigues me is a supposed "Overdose" mode where skills and attributes go up 20 times faster than normal. Even though I do like a fair bit of grind, this is quite tempting... :P
Post by: Alkhemia on September 02, 2013, 08:25:05 pm
It seems there is a new version: Google Translated Changelog (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwikiwiki.jp%2Felonaplus%2F%3FElona%25A1%25DC%25B9%25B9%25BF%25B7%25BE%25F5%25B6%25B7)Claws as a weapon as well maybe
I can't really make out the translated notes too well, and there seems to be a number of bugfix releases in a short amount of time, so I'm holding off a bit longer. But, the main thing that intrigues me is a supposed "Overdose" mode where skills and attributes go up 20 times faster than normal. Even though I do like a fair bit of grind, this is quite tempting... :P
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- Add claws as general equipment of new species.
Post by: Robsoie on September 02, 2013, 09:50:53 pm
Sure it helps in getting a slow character to increase its speed, but looking at the wiki, it really does not seem that interesting considering the negative impact of it :
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The trade offs are that your pet's speed will be reduced, thus it will only attack and heal very slowly, your chance to-hit is lowered, spell casting chance is decreased and heavy weapons (4.0s+) have their chance to hit lowered by an amount relative to how much more than 4.0s the weapon weighs. Weapons with exactly 4s receive either no penalty or a very small penalty that can be offset with the two-hand skill, but it grows exponentially from then on, reaching more than 100% penalty to hit at 8s. Equipping a shield that weighs more than 4.0s will give the same warning as equipping a heavy weapon, however, there is no apparent effect.
Having less spell casting chance is definitively something i would not want considering how at near 90% for some of my spell, it still really does not prevent them to fail.
Am i missing something ?
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 02, 2013, 10:34:39 pm
(Of course spirit cloth is NOT 100% OPTIMAL BEST GEAR so my advice is best ignored. :P)
Post by: Carnwennan on September 03, 2013, 05:35:55 am
Huh, so I got the new "Squeeze" effect to work.
So you need to:
1. Be Sleepy.
2. Be on a bed.
3. Use Squeeze on a nearby pet.
Got a more dreams than usual upon doing it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Old post, but I can't get squeeze to do what you said, all I end up doing is making my pets angry by dealing damage to them. Maybe there is a relationship requirement or something?
Currently playing as 'God Unit' Durandall. If you see me dying of starvation a lot, it's because I forget to pack food cargos :P
Post by: kcwong on September 03, 2013, 08:00:39 am
Huh, so I got the new "Squeeze" effect to work.
So you need to:
1. Be Sleepy.
2. Be on a bed.
3. Use Squeeze on a nearby pet.
Got a more dreams than usual upon doing it.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Old post, but I can't get squeeze to do what you said, all I end up doing is making my pets angry by dealing damage to them. Maybe there is a relationship requirement or something?
Currently playing as 'God Unit' Durandall. If you see me dying of starvation a lot, it's because I forget to pack food cargos :P
Yes, I found there is a relationship requirement. Currently I have lots of pets at soulmate (squeeze works), and my new andriod girl at Amiable (not squeezable yet).
However I don't feel I get any more dreams than usual; and there can still be negative ones. On the other hand, you get a "breakfast" event from time to time... which doesn't seem to do anything special other than filling some hunger.
Post by: Singularity125 on September 03, 2013, 08:42:55 pm
- four new items added: <Asteroid Belt> (unique girdle), claw, rock (new weapon types), and "magatama".
- four new NPCs added, including one unique character.
- three new game modes added: "Overdose" (Gain experience 20 times faster, cannot save score or make a gene), "Inferno" (Cannot revive after being killed, cannot reload ingame, receive a penalty if the game is exited without saving) and "Natural"(Same as Inferno, but without the one-life limitation)
Again, Overdose mode sounds interesting. "Natural" mode sounds kinda like how I already play (I forgot you can save/reload in-game... Sort of tempted to cheese my way past some of the early-level nonsense now). Inferno mode seems to enforce normal roguelike penalties and constraints... but in this game I don't see how anyone could get past level 5 like that. :-\
Post by: guessingo on September 05, 2013, 03:58:22 pm
i see a post about relationships and pets. how do you get them to like you better? anyway to see their stats or what level they are?
sometimes npcs have symbols over their head. its obvious which one is sleep. is there anything in the help about the rest of them?
Post by: Niveras on September 05, 2013, 05:09:21 pm
Otherwise, they drop from clearing dungeons, you can wish for them if you get a wish, they are very rarely found in potion/magic shops (but probably not before you've invested millions into one, and still rare then). Might be a few other ways.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 05, 2013, 06:00:49 pm
how do you get potions of cure corruption? picked up ether disease early. they are not in shops. i take it they are rare.As Niveras said, gambling. It's best to not to use a casino item (dartboards, card tables, slot machines; you can find them in Derphy and Palmia easily) until you get a lucky dream. You have a chance to get one at 4 wins, and get one guaranteed at 5.
Other less reliable ways include finding them on the ground in dungeons, in your salary (VERY rarely IIRC), in shops (you'll have to pour a lot of gold in like he said, and they cost around 150k each), and from marrying your pets. Which leads to the next point.
i see a post about relationships and pets. how do you get them to like you better? anyway to see their stats or what level they are?The cheapest way is to let them kill things for you. You'll know when they gain a relationship point when you see a heart over their head. You can also use love potions, but don't give it to them directly as it'll cause karma loss and a relationship drop. Instead, mix it with food and give the food to them (still karma loss) or throwing it at them (not sure if it works personally but no karma loss).
The only way to see their stats/level is to pay the informer. You could also use the gene engineering machine, as it shows the character sheet of the result if you mash two pets together.
sometimes npcs have symbols over their head. its obvious which one is sleep. is there anything in the help about the rest of them?I don't believe it says it in the help, but they're here. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Status_effects) I believe it's also missing the little angry mark which you can probably guess the meaning of.
Post by: Propman on September 05, 2013, 07:17:05 pm
Post by: etgfrog on September 05, 2013, 07:38:52 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 05, 2013, 08:25:30 pm
The 20x experience bonus seems to be applied across the board just about everywhere. Anything that modifies EXP gets that bonus. This includes pets, random NPCs and enemies. Hilarity ensues when the common bats you fight start to level their greater evasion, and even level up from it. On the plus side, I was able to get Poppy out of the cave by more or less letting him go on a supervised training montage until he was a bit less fragile. :D Of note, things that DECREASE exp also get boosted. So if you do manage to get cocky and die, expect to lose several points in your stats at once. Not that it's too hard to get them back, but still...
This increase is also applied after all other modifiers are taken into effect. So anything that gives skill exp will give at least 0.020 to a skill. With just a bit of patience (less than normal Elona requires, surely), you can effectively ignore potential. Probably for the best, too, since the skills level up so fast there's no way to keep it at a reasonable level.
Bonus skill points almost feel like cheating... At any decent amount of potential, one point = one skill level, basically.
Post by: kcwong on September 06, 2013, 01:02:05 am
i see a post about relationships and pets. how do you get them to like you better? anyway to see their stats or what level they are?
You can see relationship level when you talk to your pets. At first it's a number and text, like "Amiable 98". At higher levels you can no longer see the numbers, like "Soulmate ? ? ?".
To get potion of cure corruption from marriages, you should start a ranch. Make it a ranch of beneficial food, like horse, hand and putit. As you adventure pickup and save all the engagement rings and amulets, and stash them at your ranch.
Once you get a lot of rings, take one of the ranch animals out, and gift them the rings/amulets. Depending on the pet's inventory size, you will need 1 or 2 love potions as well. After you marry it you can also sell it to <Raphael> the Womanizer in Port Kapul for a unicorn horn (+2 karma *gain* for non-human pet).
Post by: guessingo on September 06, 2013, 03:18:54 pm
2. how do i get a ranch? are these the deeds I see for sale in some shops? These ranches go on the map some where?
3. will my etherwind disease keep getting worse without more etherwind if i dont get a potion of cure corruption?
4. what is the value increasing relationship with my slaves?
Post by: Blaze on September 06, 2013, 03:31:32 pm
2. Buy a deed of ranch. Read it on the overmap square you want to put it on.
3. Etherwind disease will ALWAYS get worse. As time passes you very slowly gain corruption. It gets speeded up from other source; monsters (Like Shining hedgehogs with their corrupting counterattack or some eyes with Eye of Ether), Wearing Ether equipment, and Etherwind are the most common causes. Potions of Cure corruption decrease your corruption and remove mutations but there is no permanent cure.
4. Mostly marriage, but some other effects are there. Squeeze and Rubbing give bonuses to your pets when used on them depending on their relationship with you.
Post by: Niveras on September 06, 2013, 03:33:57 pm
3. Yes; but keep in mind that theoretically even if you aren't exposed to the etherwind during gameplay. Your character was exposed before the game even began, but the etherwind while playing accelerates the disease. It's not even that big of a deal until you get your second or third disease effect, because the disease can't outright kill you before then (I forget exactly how many effects you can have before you start risking that). So you should have plenty of time to a cure corruption potion before the disease poses a risk to your character. (I'll also mention that some people intentionally carry certain effects because of their benefits - the wings being, I believe, because of speed + weight reduction, and I expect there's more, although of course a lot of them aren't as good).
4. Don't know much about that myself; you can eventually marry them (and thus "making a gene"/heir), and I guess the "squeezing"/hugging them before sleeping in Elona+, I don't think there's much else.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 09, 2013, 12:40:08 am
e: Those links apparently make you download it from my Dropbox. Actual images pending.
ee: Actual images here (http://i.imgur.com/QOYtUgX.jpg) and here. (http://i.imgur.com/NwoeyqQ.png)
Post by: kcwong on September 09, 2013, 01:08:47 am
Post by: EuchreJack on September 09, 2013, 06:53:58 am
3. Yes; but keep in mind that theoretically even if you aren't exposed to the etherwind during gameplay. Your character was exposed before the game even began, but the etherwind while playing accelerates the disease. It's not even that big of a deal until you get your second or third disease effect, because the disease can't outright kill you before then (I forget exactly how many effects you can have before you start risking that). So you should have plenty of time to a cure corruption potion before the disease poses a risk to your character. (I'll also mention that some people intentionally carry certain effects because of their benefits - the wings being, I believe, because of speed + weight reduction, and I expect there's more, although of course a lot of them aren't as good).
The magic number is 20, after which the next ether disease symptom may kill you. So it's a lot more than a few.
Still, long before you get to that point, the ether disease will have severely crippled your character. Potions of cure corruption can cure two or three ether disease symptoms, so I'd suggest either waiting until you get three ether symptoms, or one symptom that you happen to find severely debilitating (for instance, the symptom that turns picked up potions into poison is usually grounds for me to quaff a potion of cure corruption [WITHOUT picking it up first, if it's on the ground, you really don't want those to turn to poison]).
Post by: majikero on September 09, 2013, 04:21:11 pm
Post by: Oglaf on September 09, 2013, 04:25:43 pm
Anyone know how to get Elona+ in english or is there no english for it?English does exist for it.
I'm pretty sure that it asks you if you want it in English or Japanese the first time you start it up. If not, it can be changed through the settings.
Post by: majikero on September 09, 2013, 04:51:06 pm
Post by: Niveras on September 09, 2013, 06:37:19 pm
Post by: Carnwennan on September 10, 2013, 01:16:43 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on September 11, 2013, 01:23:41 am
Another thing: Do spells normally do low damage compared to weapons? It seems like a level 30 spell will hit for very little damage, even when my casting skill is similar in level to my weapon skill, and the weapon is of comparable or lower quality. Does PV affect spell damage? I thought it would only be affected by resistance, but I'm not sure.
Has anyone tried dual wielding grenades in melee?
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Post by: etgfrog on September 11, 2013, 03:00:57 am
Post by: kcwong on September 11, 2013, 07:55:32 am
Post by: guessingo on September 11, 2013, 10:23:30 am
Post by: Ivefan on September 11, 2013, 10:38:35 am
Post by: Ogdibus on September 11, 2013, 10:31:52 pm
Post by: Oglaf on September 12, 2013, 01:16:27 pm
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Post by: Ogdibus on September 12, 2013, 08:40:49 pm
I might have to upgrade to that version.
Post by: Carnwennan on September 13, 2013, 08:05:50 am
I am torn between a platinum round shield of lightning (#####+), or a different platinum one, that 'negates physical damage #####+'. The first provides [5,4], and the latter [4,5]. I am in medium armour, if that matters for anything. Thoughts? I would like to know how much damage that shield is dealing with...
Post by: Singularity125 on September 13, 2013, 11:25:44 am
To answer your shield question, generally speaking the lightning shield will be better against swarms of lightning enemies (like rooms full of hounds) but the negates physical damage will be useful against damn near everything, unless it's been nerfed in E+. I would say that if you can handle the extra inventory weight and micromanagement of switching, to carry both. If you have to pick just one, and you're in melee range a lot, go with negates physical damage. Otherwise if breath attacks are the main thing that hit you, go with the lightning resist.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 13, 2013, 06:03:29 pm
As for the exact effects, sorry, I have no clue. If only they'd display a number instead of those #####+s. (Didn't some mod do that? Sadly it's not in E+)
Post by: etgfrog on September 13, 2013, 06:57:37 pm
Post by: Carnwennan on September 14, 2013, 03:12:26 am
I don't think the stats would be very important as unless they're godly.Neither are even miracle :P
I haven't found any scrolls of superior material yet. The wiki says blessed change material scrolls act like them mostly, so I will try a few of them.
Try equipping it and seeing it in your character sheet if it has the same color as the other resistances, if it has a different color then it might be a chance of not taking physical damage.It doesn't show up in the resistances page-thing (after weapon proficiency) if you are referring to there. Nor does any bonus show up in the combat rolls area. I managed to go mano el mano with a minotaur which was apparently 'not an easy fight' and managed to come out >80% HP, but that doesn't prove much.
Post by: Zangi on September 18, 2013, 12:11:11 pm
Anyone else know anything about this AP stuff?
Post by: PrimusRibbus on September 18, 2013, 01:01:34 pm
So, I read somewhere on the elona wiki that you can only get AP points if your speed AND level is lower then the thing you kill?
Anyone else know anything about this AP stuff?
I can't say anything about AP gain definitively, but I find the speed restriction fairly hard to believe. My characters with speed through the roof have never had trouble gaining thousands of AP in a fairly short time without even trying.
Post by: Kaitol on September 18, 2013, 02:04:12 pm
Post by: Zangi on September 18, 2013, 02:27:11 pm
Post by: Kaitol on September 18, 2013, 02:40:55 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 18, 2013, 07:13:03 pm
And AP gain isn't really known about in great detail. I still get AP from bards who are level 16 while I'm level 18, so it's probably not ONLY based on level but also stats/skills, perhaps.
Post by: guessingo on September 20, 2013, 10:35:31 am
questions:
1. according to the wiki you only use AP with 1 mob right? I think its in south tyris?
2. is there a way to tell my npcs which skills to get in elona+?
3. are there any other mods that go well with elona+? any special instructions to install them with elona+
4. when I went to the area where you trade medals, there are 2 NPCs. one female one that you get give medals to in exchange for stuff and a male one. he has 2 lines and both ask if you have medals. from what I can see this changes the name of an item to 'no name' and I cant figure out what its doing. is just a bug or something?
5. anyone use the doujou to train npcs? is this effective?
comments/tips:
1. farm is better and you can use it at low levels. you can drop rottable food in the compost pit and come back in a few days. you get organize fertilizer (you can stack it so your npcs dont eat it and it all eventually turns into compost). plant a really difficult seed. drop compost and poof automatically grows. you dont need high level gardening to grow hard seeds. i do not know if gardening or fame affect the quality of item you get from artifact or gem seeds, but you dont need skill if you have compost. note, you dont make compost that fast, so its still worth it to raise gardening. gardening goes up really fast so you really dont need to invest any potential in it.
2. swimming is a nice skill in elona+ it raises your speed. you can train it by walking in ponds in the city. it also makes dirty water useful. just throw it and walk on it to get wet. being wet makes you faster. keep a couple dirty water on you to get wet as needed.
3. you need to pick up more skills if you craft since you need skills to get material from sampling spots. these are also good to have since they train attributes while getting stuff. go to wiki to see which ones you need for which. they train very quickly and you fail alot less often with them when gathering. crafting is better too since you can make more stuff.
4. if you find a pot of fusion (rare find) , store it somewhere so you dont lose it. great way to get lots more bottles of water that you can bless and bless items with. see wiki for ingredients and what else you can make
5. japanese wiki has new prices for cargo. some names are different but you can figure it out. use chrome to translate for you.
6. using scrolls of inferior materials on blessed items has a good chance of getting you short term bonuses to training attriubtes. not 100%. so if you see a cheap blessed item in a shop with a maintain stat or increases, but it and make it raw. eat in a dungeon. makes training better. you can craft with jeweller and get plenty of ingredients in the puppy cave. if you have curse scrolls drop everything first other then inferior scrolls. curse your inferior scrolls. increases odds of turning items raw with few uses.
7. there are alot more skills that train just by doing stuff. so you are better off doing lots of jobs to get these skills instead of investing in potentials of others. raises attributes faster. swimming by just getting wet, travelling trains alot of stuff, detection trains by gathering (so do others). so early on go for more skills instead of potentials. can be grindy.
8. use every rod you find once you ge tmagical devices. this trains it. appears that rods with 0 charges sell for the same price as rods with many charges. not throwing potions trains both throwing and magical devices. magical devices is critical to getting pets using rod of domination (can exchange for small medal or get from a quest).
Post by: Blaze on September 20, 2013, 04:33:04 pm
2. Unfortunately no, at best you can use gene engineer to GIVE them specific skills, but you can't remove them or tell them what to focus on.
3. Currently, the only mods that work with Elona without learning things like HSP are graphic and music mods. Elona+ is a standalone mod.
4. Miral and Garok's workshop? Miral is the one you talk to for trading medals. Garok's ability is to reforge items, which doesn't work right yet.
5. AFAIK it's only real use is to let you bypass your pet limit. I haven't seen any significant gains from it.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 20, 2013, 04:45:29 pm
this post is about elona+
questions:
1. according to the wiki you only use AP with 1 mob right? I think its in south tyris?
Yes. This means you cannot use AP until you have beaten Zeome.
2. is there a way to tell my npcs which skills to get in elona+?
No. The skills just go up as they please.
3. are there any other mods that go well with elona+? any special instructions to install them with elona+
No. Elona+ is its own thing AFAIK.
4. when I went to the area where you trade medals, there are 2 NPCs. one female one that you get give medals to in exchange for stuff and a male one. he has 2 lines and both ask if you have medals. from what I can see this changes the name of an item to 'no name' and I cant figure out what its doing. is just a bug or something?
I'm pretty sure Miral and Garok are both guys, but other than that I have no comments
5. anyone use the doujou to train npcs? is this effective?
Once again, no comment. I've never used it.
comments/tips:
1. farm is better and you can use it at low levels. you can drop rottable food in the compost pit and come back in a few days. you get organize fertilizer (you can stack it so your npcs dont eat it and it all eventually turns into compost). plant a really difficult seed. drop compost and poof automatically grows. you dont need high level gardening to grow hard seeds. i do not know if gardening or fame affect the quality of item you get from artifact or gem seeds, but you dont need skill if you have compost. note, you dont make compost that fast, so its still worth it to raise gardening. gardening goes up really fast so you really dont need to invest any potential in it.
That's a good tip. I waited to raise my gardening up to about 14 through Harvest Time quests before planting anything. It should also be possible to train cooking at the same time by planting fruits/veggies, cooking them, and then dropping the food on the piles. Not sure on that though, since I've had a couple dishes of rotten food on there for awhile (though other rotten food became compost???)
2. swimming is a nice skill in elona+ it raises your speed. you can train it by walking in ponds in the city. it also makes dirty water useful. just throw it and walk on it to get wet. being wet makes you faster. keep a couple dirty water on you to get wet as needed.
Also works in the rain. I kinda like the image of your character swimming through raindrops to move faster than walking.
3. you need to pick up more skills if you craft since you need skills to get material from sampling spots. these are also good to have since they train attributes while getting stuff. go to wiki to see which ones you need for which. they train very quickly and you fail alot less often with them when gathering. crafting is better too since you can make more stuff.
This is true. The gathering skills are (I think) Gardening for plant spots, Mining for rock spots, Fishing for pools, and Detection (works for more than one type). And production is a lot better. Hooray carpentry lightsabers.
4. if you find a pot of fusion (rare find) , store it somewhere so you dont lose it. great way to get lots more bottles of water that you can bless and bless items with. see wiki for ingredients and what else you can make
These aren't that difficult to find in general stores, actually. But yeah, salt solution + wood chip (junk item) + rod of fire wall = water.
5. japanese wiki has new prices for cargo. some names are different but you can figure it out. use chrome to translate for you.
Dunno about this, don't really trade cargo.
6. using scrolls of inferior materials on blessed items has a good chance of getting you short term bonuses to training attriubtes. not 100%. so if you see a cheap blessed item in a shop with a maintain stat or increases, but it and make it raw. eat in a dungeon. makes training better. you can craft with jeweller and get plenty of ingredients in the puppy cave. if you have curse scrolls drop everything first other then inferior scrolls. curse your inferior scrolls. increases odds of turning items raw with few uses.
You can do this on stuff with resistances to get the resistance too IIRC.
7. there are alot more skills that train just by doing stuff. so you are better off doing lots of jobs to get these skills instead of investing in potentials of others. raises attributes faster. swimming by just getting wet, travelling trains alot of stuff, detection trains by gathering (so do others). so early on go for more skills instead of potentials. can be grindy.
Yes. It's better to get all the skills like Eye of Mind, Greater Evasion, Two Hand and stuff like that because you're always training them. But you still do need to get potentials... just after.
8. use every rod you find once you ge tmagical devices. this trains it. appears that rods with 0 charges sell for the same price as rods with many charges. not throwing potions trains both throwing and magical devices. magical devices is critical to getting pets using rod of domination (can exchange for small medal or get from a quest).
Good idea. I never really use rods, as I've been saving them for Itzpalt. He does take 0 charge ones though so I should.
Post by: Blaze on September 20, 2013, 08:02:56 pm
Probably a bug, but the implications...
Sidenote: Throwing snow on yourself also gets you wet, and you can get it by going to a snowy wilderness area and pressing "g"et without an item on the ground. Doing so takes a bit of stamina but can be done endlessly otherwise.
Being wet also increases your fire resistance at the cost of decreasing your lightning resistance.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 20, 2013, 09:36:58 pm
Also, speaking of Squeeze, how do you get it? I've leveled up a few times with 40+ strength, so that should have unlocked it; yet all I have is Rubbing.
And for a completely unrelated note, Preaching is bugged and causes a crash. I'm pretty sure it's useless right now anyway though.
Aaaand 1.28 is out. The changelog hasn't been translated, nor has the wiki page of Elona+ been updated, but looks like it adds jukeboxes (somewhat like music discs? they're definitely related) and some other stuff I can't understand through Google Translate. Here it is in Japanese, (http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/?Elona%A1%DC%B9%B9%BF%B7%BE%F5%B6%B7) and here's the Google Translated version. (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwikiwiki.jp%2Felonaplus%2F%3FElona%25A1%25DC%25B9%25B9%25BF%25B7%25BE%25F5%25B6%25B7)
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 27, 2013, 12:30:18 am
Post by: etgfrog on September 27, 2013, 01:02:09 am
On a side note...what is this profile system that has been added?
Post by: Carnwennan on September 27, 2013, 05:15:35 am
Sorry for doublepost and bump, but any tips on weakening monsters to catch them with balls/sandbags? I want to replicate alway's heroic magic grind, but I always end up killing stuff on accident. Not to mention the silver cat quest.
Squeezing deals damage, but not too much to kill critters if you are a mage. You could always try ditching your pets and going out to punch wildlife and weaken them that way, too. Poisons don't deal all that much damage (Percent-based? idk) so throwing them at weak citters could be viable. Just make sure you punch them first or something to bring up their health bar. I caught a baby fire dragon this way when I would normally 1-shot it.
That 'negates physical damage #####+' shield is amazing. I am not all that high levelled on the character that has it, but bomb throwers -creeps that can kill all my pets (some with stronger armour and more health than me) in one shot- takes about 6 more to do the same to me. I still get screwed over by mages but I have found a raw 'improves your magic resistance ####' katana that I could equip once I change the material.
Post by: kcwong on September 27, 2013, 12:37:31 pm
Sorry for doublepost and bump, but any tips on weakening monsters to catch them with balls/sandbags? I want to replicate alway's heroic magic grind, but I always end up killing stuff on accident. Not to mention the silver cat quest.
Potions of poison and dye, plus save-scumming. Count how many turns it has to live after being poisoned.
Or buy weapons you don't usually use (thus low skill) from low level shops, and turn them into cloth/raw to further reduce the damage output.
Post by: guessingo on September 27, 2013, 01:29:29 pm
tip to playing elona+ on 'easy' mode.
1. get small medals (best way is to finish dungeons). you need 20. go here. trade for rod of domination. get magical device first. get a few levels. then use it on 'bells'. to make them your pets. give bells bullets and generic machine gun. i am level 28. i added those and its like playing one easy mode. i overload my cargo run into 3-4 rogue bosses each trip. i have several pets. most generic from slave master. opatos god pet and little girl. use the 'cheer' ability (from a feat) to make them faster. and they wipe them all out before i move.
2. you get seeds from harvest quests. get weightlifting. get gardening. do these. if you are failing early. dont bother to try to win. just garden as much as possible to get it up. being overweight will train strength so you can carry more. stash your seeds. when you get gold, buy a farm. put it right next to any town that has food maker stove. vernis and palmia are best. plant seeds. harvest crops. cook at food maker. sell. you will train cooking fast and get quite a bit of gold. i have 3 farms. do veggie and fruit until gardening at 20 only. other stuff dies. gems seeds make it trivial to gain favor with gods like opatos. stockpile herb seeds. these are the hardest. make sure to take rotten food and stock it in compost to make organice fertilizer. stockpile these until you are ready to use herb seeds then use them on the herbs. stockpile herbs. bless them. with 'pot for fusion' making bottles of water is easy. so you can bless lots of stuff. go to wiki for ingredients. pot for fusion is random drop. so may be a bit till you find one.
you will lose chr and willpower.
3. when you get faith to the 30s, you get 'preaching' ability. this is the one way you can really train faith to push to 40. so you can get the top god items. when you get this ability, take performance quests since alot of people around and use it there. you will get quite a bit of gold and fail job so it helps to keep your fame down. no stat loss for failing this.
do these and game gets alot easier. the bells are great. i was told at high elona+ levels (way down the road) you may need to switch to something else because HP is low. dont worry about it for a really long time...
Post by: Blaze on September 27, 2013, 02:48:04 pm
There is a tiny robot maid that you can get as a pet which is significantly better than silver/gold bells. And then there are bells of emergency/termination...
Equipping bells with rubynus and equipment that boosts the life stat will massively increase their HP poo (Default 1).
Post by: guessingo on September 27, 2013, 03:40:45 pm
Post by: Blaze on September 27, 2013, 05:58:09 pm
You can also do this with pet battles.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 27, 2013, 07:23:22 pm
Bomb throwers really are vicious. Especially to mages as the sound damage confuses leading to miscasts, even with high resist. But then there's resist confusion equips for a reason... which I really should wear more, but the Unknown Shell, my Miracle ring with
Post by: guessingo on September 28, 2013, 10:56:24 am
you dont need to do the quests in order. just skip them until you want to do them. they are not that critical.
the elona forums are mostly dead, but if you go there and go to help, there is a very long thread where a newb asked a ton of questions and got lots of answers.
there is alot of info here.
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5401
Post by: guessingo on September 28, 2013, 10:58:44 am
i tried the failing performances, you do lose willpower and charisma in elona+ failing these. i was rong.
Post by: MCipher on September 28, 2013, 03:14:56 pm
Post by: Zangi on September 28, 2013, 03:30:13 pm
Well, I've been playing elona+, and after eating a putit corpse, I got the message "Your skin becomes smooth", what does this mean?+Charisma
Post by: MCipher on September 28, 2013, 03:59:15 pm
Edit: D'oh! One more question, how do you gain weight, and what are the effects of gaining/losing weight? I ate some cursed food before I found out it was cursed, and I lost weight. Sorry to keep asking about random things.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 28, 2013, 04:09:15 pm
Post by: etgfrog on September 28, 2013, 07:03:24 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 28, 2013, 08:21:27 pm
If your still having problems with weakening a creature because you are far too high of level, you could try this http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/SasumataHaha, I'm nowhere near enough faith to reach that. Good thinking, though, I forgot it existed.
Also somehow I unlocked the Squeeze action as I've reached base strength 30. Hooray.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 15, 2013, 09:33:29 pm
Edit: D'oh! One more question, how do you gain weight, and what are the effects of gaining/losing weight? I ate some cursed food before I found out it was cursed, and I lost weight. Sorry to keep asking about random things.
Generally, weight is meaningless.
However, throwing up too much (such as by eating cursed food) can cause anorexia, which causes you to throw up whenever you eat. So be careful.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 15, 2013, 10:31:15 pm
Post by: kcwong on October 16, 2013, 12:48:26 am
Edit: D'oh! One more question, how do you gain weight, and what are the effects of gaining/losing weight? I ate some cursed food before I found out it was cursed, and I lost weight. Sorry to keep asking about random things.
Generally, weight is meaningless.
However, throwing up too much (such as by eating cursed food) can cause anorexia, which causes you to throw up whenever you eat. So be careful.
Drinking milk will sometimes give you more weight. Also the throwing up is checked with a timer; as long as you don't throw up too many times in a row it will be fine.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 16, 2013, 01:07:19 am
Vomiting too much can cause some pretty serious damage, to the point where cursed drinks used to be used to kill <Utima>, the Machine chaos fort boss. Of course, that doesn't work these days.
Post by: Sergarr on October 16, 2013, 06:07:04 am
Post by: kcwong on October 16, 2013, 09:04:00 am
Death by vomiting? Eugh.
It's more like being damaged by cursed booze, which also makes you vomit... Plus removed this easy-way-out.
Post by: Singularity125 on October 20, 2013, 07:50:57 pm
So, I recently decided that I was fed up with Windows 8 and installed linux on my laptop. This necessitated finding a way to put Elona on Linux. I seem to have found a way to do this, and almost everything seems to work, besides the midi music. As it turns out, midis don't have much linux support.
So, I was wondering if the old MP3 pack would work with the latest version of Elona+ or if there are some additional songs that aren't going to be there. If it's mostly in South Tyris I don't really care, as it will be ages before I get there. But otherwise I don't know whether things are going to cooperate if I just stick the MP3 pack in there. Any thoughts?
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 20, 2013, 08:24:16 pm
This is why I think we should try to compile some new music to make our own MP3 pack for Elona+.
Post by: Singularity125 on October 20, 2013, 09:06:47 pm
Share your secrets? I'd rather enjoy being able to play Elona on my Lubuntu craptop.
Sure. I use Arch Linux so I don't know if everything will apply, but here's what I did:
- Download the latest version of Wine (1.7.4-1)
- Use Winetricks to install the native version of dinput.dll (this stops it from crashing on exit). For me running "winetricks dinput" in a terminal did the trick
- Unzip the elona+ 1.29 zip file and put the contents under a folder in ~/.wine/drive_c
- Mess around with the font the game uses to get one that looks "close enough". That's a setting in Elona's config.txt. I settled on Dejavu Sans Mono, your mileage will vary, of course.
Post by: Singularity125 on October 20, 2013, 09:53:36 pm
Also, I found there was an extra step involved if I wanted the mp3s to work. Even now they don't seem to want to loop... Still working on it. But at the least, you need to follow the steps I shamelessly pulled from teh googles:
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winetricks quartz
cabextract --filter dxnt.cab ~/.cache/winetricks/directx9/directx_feb2010_redist.exe
cabextract --filter mciqtz32.dll dxnt.cab
rm dxnt.cab
mv mciqtz32.dll windows/system32/
winetricks mciqtz32=native
Post by: MCipher on November 11, 2013, 08:03:34 pm
Main Website and Download(JP) (http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/)
Post by: kcwong on November 11, 2013, 08:38:36 pm
Sorry if this is a necro-post, but Plus V1.30 is out. I don't know what it adds.
Main Website and Download(JP) (http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/)
I can't seem to find any release notes about 1.30... maybe it's not uploaded yet.
Post by: Blaze on November 11, 2013, 08:51:31 pm
Quote from: 1.30 Changelog
- A new map in Lost Irva.
- A new NPC.
- Trolls are now considered giants.
- More materials (Doesn't mention whether it's crafting or equipment material).
- Disguises no longer work on Certain Unique NPCs. Disguise kits appear more often.
- A certain NPC can now crush walls.
- Werewolves now sneak into cities, they can transform depending on the time.
- Special Abilities used by gods now have a cooldown.
- Increased the number of points needed for Museum rank by 1.4, but museum salary is 3x higher.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 11, 2013, 09:57:27 pm
On god abilities, I heard rather than cooling down, they have to charge up for 10 turns on use. Of course, I wouldn't know anything about that because I don't fight gods.
Presumably, the "disguises no longer work on certain Unique NPCs" means
Spoiler: Elona+ Plot Spoilers! (click to show/hide)
Most of the other stuff, I have no way to test/see.
Post by: Patchy on November 11, 2013, 11:03:22 pm
Post by: guessingo on November 14, 2013, 02:57:05 pm
i cant figure out what they added in 1.30 over 1.29, the translation was hard to read. that one looks pretty small.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 14, 2013, 03:39:53 pm
i believe 1.25 or so added a nice feature for upgrading shops. you can do 50 upgrades at once and buy at a discount. but you need to have gold for all 50 upgrades at the discounted price.Both of these are true. I still use the old one-at-a-time one for leveling Investing, though. It's very very convenient, especially if you
i cant figure out what they added in 1.30 over 1.29, the translation was hard to read. that one looks pretty small.
And I just realized, if you have a museum from the old versions, you can avoid going in it to evade the rank drop from the new point requirements and still get the tripled pay.
Post by: Micro102 on November 19, 2013, 09:29:10 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 19, 2013, 09:39:35 pm
It's in semi-English; the old North Tyris content is translated, the somewhat new South Tyris content is slightly translated, and the new Lost Irva content is completely untranslated.
Post by: Micro102 on November 19, 2013, 10:25:26 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 19, 2013, 10:29:32 pm
It's well worth to pick up Elona+ even if you don't plan on entering the other continents at all; there's been a plethora of improvements to game mechanics and nearly all of the main continent is translated. Some exceptions are Miral/Girals new effects, Black Gauntlet Leold (Who doesn't really do anything until you reach S.Tyris), and Itzpalt's dialogue when you speak to him.
Post by: joemoben on November 20, 2013, 12:04:24 am
Post by: Robsoie on November 20, 2013, 05:51:06 am
In fact i'm not sure exactly why but i think that the north continent is better designed than the southern one and feels less "put together quickly" than the southern one, making you go back at it much more than in the south.
Maybe the translation plays a role too.
Post by: Zangi on November 20, 2013, 08:46:25 am
Meh, I'll wait until it's fully translated.Prepare to wait a few years. The section that is translated is already enough to give at least 100 hours of play.
Post by: Micro102 on November 20, 2013, 05:30:53 pm
Post by: Zangi on November 20, 2013, 05:40:17 pm
Problem is, if it does get translated, that's 100 hours of missing content when I go south.... Unless there is a way to keep my character?I've been transferring my character from version to version without a hitch. (There is some sort of guide to do that without anything messing up somewhere.)
Post by: Jacob/Lee on November 23, 2013, 07:45:26 pm
A sad trombone was heard all across the land that day. I feel bad for that guy. :P
Post by: Blaze on November 23, 2013, 09:05:19 pm
Fox Wizard Reon goes wild with joy, "seven league boots!!" a pair of paper seven league boots, [13,0] appears.
Fox Wizard Reon was killed by fire hound in Tower of Fire "NYOU TALK FUNNY".
The Moonspeak chatlog has some odd characters as well including:
いやぁん！"No~"
もっとぶって！ "Hit me more!"
ギャルのパンティー！！ "Girl's Panties!!!"
I also see like 4 wishes for happy beds on the Moonspeak chatlog.
Post by: MCipher on November 23, 2013, 10:24:59 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 23, 2013, 10:33:41 pm
Post by: MCipher on November 23, 2013, 10:50:39 pm
Result: No, it doesn't guarantee a corpse of baby.
Post by: joemoben on November 23, 2013, 11:32:39 pm
Say, if you give birth on a ranch and then murder your baby will a corpse drop be guaranteed?I would just like to note how amazing Elona is for producing a question like this.
EDIT: Also, absolutely sigged.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on November 26, 2013, 10:07:39 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Something indeed.
Edit:
You cook a corpse of <Xabi> the king of Palmia and make a dish of skewer grilled <Xabi> the king of Palmia.
You start to eat a dish of skewer grilled <Xabi> the king of Palmia.
You have finished eating a dish of skewer grilled <Xabi> the king of Palmia.
Delicious! You feel good. You feel very lucky today!
I think Xabi's corpse gives you luck.
Post by: Jacob/Lee on November 26, 2013, 10:08:27 pm
Post by: Bouchart on November 26, 2013, 10:42:06 pm
I think Xabi's corpse gives you luck.
That is a random, temporary bonus that you get sometimes from eating blessed food.
Post by: Singularity125 on November 27, 2013, 12:01:49 am
I think Xabi's corpse gives you luck.
That is a random, temporary bonus that you get sometimes from eating blessed food.
Indeed. Also, hoard the crap out of the figurine and card. Those are insanely valuable in a museum, and also insanely hard to get a hold of "legitimately".
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on November 27, 2013, 12:05:35 am
I've usually only gotten the king's stuff via setting off the nuke. Oh, and there was the time aliens literally took over the city, thanks to an unlucky well spawn. [It made the thing which causes that 'alien pregnancy' syndrome, which also happens to be a godawful strong monster]
Post by: NW_Kohaku on November 27, 2013, 01:11:00 am
For many players, level 20 monsters are pretty tough, but it's all relative, of course...
And I tried to kill the king using one of those alien infections in the throne room. I wound up with the whole town infected, and the king was STILL laughing off their attacks and squishing alien heads one-handed. I tried then summoning all the monsters I possibly could from all the wands and spellbooks I could muster - King regenerated faster than he took damage. I dropped the nuke on the town (in the spot with the bear) in disgust. The King lived. The freak is TOUGH.
The best way to kill the king would be to use summoning/teleportation rods to get him isolated, and fight him boss-style using tons of buffs/debuffs and either potent ranged weapons with special ammo and sodas, or else use heavily pumped Nightmare/Nerve magic and/or Element Scar + freak loads of rods. Beware his deadly melee!
Post by: Micro102 on November 27, 2013, 02:42:48 am
HspError 7 WinError 0 Ver 2370 Mode 0
efId 408 efP 100 Area 15/1
ci 65#690 ti 0#286 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 54#75
3. main_init:End ct:0
2. turn_end:pc ct:0
1. main_init:Begin ct:245
0. main_init:End ct:0
Anyone know what it means?
Post by: kcwong on November 27, 2013, 07:34:22 am
Well.... I got an error after trying to preach in a crossroads in Palmia.
HspError 7 WinError 0 Ver 2370 Mode 0
efId 408 efP 100 Area 15/1
ci 65#690 ti 0#286 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 54#75
3. main_init:End ct:0
2. turn_end:pc ct:0
1. main_init:Begin ct:245
0. main_init:End ct:0
Anyone know what it means?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29#1.23
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"Preaching" special action added.
It's basically a unique variety of musical performance, where you start "playing" any nearby object.
Possible outcomes: the audience gives you money (donations), some may convert to your own god, some may turn hostile.
May crash the game occasionally.
It trains the Faith skill of yours and your pets'.
Post by: Micro102 on November 27, 2013, 10:44:07 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 27, 2013, 12:21:02 pm
Post by: kcwong on November 27, 2013, 11:48:54 pm
But it's not occasionally, it's every time. It worked the first time, but not again.
It's probably triggered occasionally, but once triggered, it has corrupted something in your save data.
Post by: Patchy on November 29, 2013, 02:00:59 am
The aliens created by the "pregnancy" debuff are spawned with half the levels of the "impregnated" creature. Hence, aliens from a guard, which is level 40, start off level 20.
For many players, level 20 monsters are pretty tough, but it's all relative, of course...
And I tried to kill the king using one of those alien infections in the throne room. I wound up with the whole town infected, and the king was STILL laughing off their attacks and squishing alien heads one-handed. I tried then summoning all the monsters I possibly could from all the wands and spellbooks I could muster - King regenerated faster than he took damage. I dropped the nuke on the town (in the spot with the bear) in disgust. The King lived. The freak is TOUGH.
The best way to kill the king would be to use summoning/teleportation rods to get him isolated, and fight him boss-style using tons of buffs/debuffs and either potent ranged weapons with special ammo and sodas, or else use heavily pumped Nightmare/Nerve magic and/or Element Scar + freak loads of rods. Beware his deadly melee!
He is beatable though in melee. My little girl can do it with minimal help from me, basically tossing hero and speed potions on her throughout the fight.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg4264029#msg4264029
This post has her stats, and she was a bit weaker than that when I had her kill him. Since that pic was taken around the time I was getting ready to take on Zeome. And the king was already perma-dead due the story progression. Should give you a rough idea of where you'd have to be statwise to do it I suppose.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 02, 2013, 11:01:26 pm
Post by: Micro102 on December 03, 2013, 05:39:23 am
Post by: kcwong on December 03, 2013, 08:07:15 am
What's with those moongates? I've gone into a few, but they all seem to either be instant death by swarms of super monsters or designed houses, somehow with NPCs. Is there any REAL point in going into them when the risk of death is so high?
Moon gates are designed by other people. Anything goes in there.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Moon_gate
Post by: Markus on December 05, 2013, 12:27:06 am
Edit:Just flipped back a few pages. Sorry about that.
So is there any way to farm ALL of the evolution hearts, or are they going to forever be a rare drop/limited drop that you save for your prized
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 05, 2013, 12:34:52 am
As for ranch animals you'd probably have to have them join your party first. Not sure though since I never had any hearts worth using on any of my ranch stock.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 05, 2013, 02:38:21 am
He is beatable though in melee. My little girl can do it with minimal help from me, basically tossing hero and speed potions on her throughout the fight.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg4264029#msg4264029
This post has her stats, and she was a bit weaker than that when I had her kill him. Since that pic was taken around the time I was getting ready to take on Zeome. And the king was already perma-dead due the story progression. Should give you a rough idea of where you'd have to be statwise to do it I suppose.
Yeah, my little girl isn't half that awesome. I have a Silver-Eyed Witch and a Silver Bell I've put some training into, however, who are my main meat shield and DPS. (I mostly buff and heal... I have Magic and then basically nothing else breaking above average. My best skill is gardening, which I power-pumped through Harvest Times to start stockpiling herbs to feed my minions and myself. The rods are also juicy, and either good for direct use or absorbing to get more spellbook power.)
I guess that's the beauty of Elona, though - a million ways to approach the game.
Post by: Robsoie on December 05, 2013, 05:14:08 am
I understood that quickly when i noticed that when Zeome was near death and started to spam his auto healing, that healing was simply higher that all the damage my high level magic dart and all my pets attack could do.
So i went back in the world and hired "God Spear Vurot" when she visited my house again, she was one of the adventurer that was in the top10 (she was the only friendly enough one i had that accepted the hiring), it took a lot of my accumulated fortune to get her.
Then back to Zeome, she made the difference, and was actually the one dealing the final hit that destroyed the boss
(http://i.imgur.com/tHx4r1rs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/tHx4r1r.jpg)
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 05, 2013, 04:10:57 pm
Anyway, I mostly just focused upon upgrading my bell's damage potential, myself. (Well, and the life rating. Need more cheese.) Those things are arrow gattling guns, given a chance. A weakness curse is usually all it takes to watch the enemy HP evaporate. (And I got a great artifact bow by murdering that jerk elf for the Vinderre Bow a lot in Party Time events.) After you get Marksman on a bell and some training. (Idling near sewer mass monsters blocked in with create wall spells, FTW)
Post by: Patchy on December 05, 2013, 11:18:09 pm
Edit: Also the little girl is the only pet I use. Got a few others including the goose for yacatek, but rarely bring them out if ever. I find it annoying to have a large army of pets running around. Also easier to outfit one pet with uber gear vs trying to spread the gear around a small army of pets. She makes a really nice bodyguard overall, I just sat back and healed/buff her while she killed Zeome.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 05, 2013, 11:49:06 pm
I actually have a Chaos Cloud I got a while ago that's kind of nice, for example, because it just spams the chaos sphere spell a lot, which inflicts multiple status ailments to an area with no damage to allies because of control magic, so it's great crowd control.
... and I don't have to worry about equipment, because it's a cloud, and I haven't gene engineered it into being able to wear any, yet... It kinda dies first.
Post by: Patchy on December 05, 2013, 11:55:36 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on December 06, 2013, 12:10:46 am
My ranches seem way more productive, now.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 06, 2013, 05:07:21 pm
Post by: guessingo on December 06, 2013, 05:08:15 pm
i use google translate to translate to english and i cant find the changes. i have 1.29 installed and iwant to see what is different.
Post by: Blaze on December 06, 2013, 05:57:48 pm
Quote from: 1.30 Changelog
- A new map in Lost Irva.
- A new NPC.
- Trolls are now considered giants.
- More crafting materials
- Disguises no longer work on Certain Unique NPCs. Disguise kits appear more often.
- A certain NPC can now crush walls.
- Werewolves now sneak into cities, they can transform depending on the time.
- Special Abilities used by gods now require recharging.
- Increased the number of points needed for Museum rank by 1.4, but museum salary is 3x higher.
Quote from: Changelog 1.31
Another main quest extension.
Werewolves have a 50% chance of dropping platinum coins after being killed. Won't drop anything if killed before transforming.
As long as a werewolf is in the city, there's a 1 in 518 chance that a random NPC is executed on accusations of being a werewolf.
Executed people don't drop anything (No idea if artifacts are affected).
Executions don't start happening until a year passes in-game.
Command flags can be used to tell pets to use special ammo if available.
When a pet has more than 50 firearm skill, they'll have a small chance to randomly fire special ammo without using ammo (Excluding time-stop).
Your max speed when riding is 3x your current speed. This also includes pets who can use specials or items that boost speed.
New items: Whip (Rod Skill, has a range of 4), Ballista (Crossbow, high penetration %), Kusarigama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kusarigama)(Scythe skill, does not have decapitation), Socks (Blunt weapon skill)
Quote from: Changelog 1.32
When uploading to 1.32 NPCs will be reconfigured which means all random quests will be cancelled and any active escortees will die.
Kusarigama and Whips were buffed.
Pet Arena Teams can apparently be registered like moongates.
Magic nerf. They're no longer auto-hit and their accuracy/power decreases by range.
Leold now has more skills to teach to PCs.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 06, 2013, 05:59:36 pm
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Magic nerf. They're no longer auto-hit and their accuracy/power decreases by range.NOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo
But yeah, there's that and some new stuff in Lost Irva that we'll probably never see and will probably never be translated.
Looks like pet team registration is in 1.30 too, just press... one of the F-keys.
Post by: Blaze on December 06, 2013, 06:16:47 pm
For darts: Power/Accuracy is reduced by 10% for each tile after 5 tiles.
No details are mentioned about how skill/spell levels affect this. I assume it's a flat reduction.
For Balls/Bolts: Power is 100/(75 + Distance X 25). So at melee range, 100% , 2 tiles away, 80%, 3 tiles away 66%, 4 tiles away 57%, 5 tiles away 50%, and so on.
Nothing is mentioned about their accuracy so I assume they remain autohit.
By the way, Pet Arena Teams have a small anti-cheat measure so they're probably a bit safer than moongates. Probably.
Post by: Micro102 on December 06, 2013, 06:57:54 pm
Also wondering what it's capable of and what armor it can wear. I'm assuming just a cape and throwing item.
Post by: Robsoie on December 06, 2013, 07:07:56 pm
Some monsters are strong enough against what high level spell i am casting at them so if it now deals ridiculous low damage in range, i really don't like the sound of that (as getting in melee at the point of the game my character is into is simple suicide)
Looks like i'll stay on my current 1.30 then.
Post by: Blaze on December 06, 2013, 07:12:31 pm
But...
It's a fairly mediocre pet otherwise due to its melee AI and lack of weapon slots. They also have no special abilities or spells so fire isn't a problem. They have a neck slot, body slot, two ring slots, and a ranged weapon/ammo slot oddly enough.
Post by: etgfrog on December 06, 2013, 07:15:20 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 06, 2013, 07:16:25 pm
That sounds like a huge nerf about magic.I dunno, the dart nerf doesn't seem too bad seeing as the max sight range (and thus max range in general) is only 7, so you'll be doing at worst 80% damage with 80% accuracy.
Some monsters are strong enough against what high level spell i am casting at them so if it now deals ridiculous low damage in range, i really don't like the sound of that (as getting in melee at the point of the game my character is into is simple suicide)
Looks like i'll stay on my current 1.30 then.
But I agree on the bolts/balls nerf. That's a little intense.
Post by: Micro102 on December 06, 2013, 07:39:12 pm
Its one of the few dragons that doesn't have a breath attack, so its safe to use.
Ahhhh, but I plan on evolving it.
Post by: Blaze on December 06, 2013, 08:11:36 pm
Post by: Tarran on December 06, 2013, 09:35:19 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 06, 2013, 10:14:25 pm
My chaos cloud uses chaos ball constantly, and never hits me or my other allies.
As for making monstrous creatures useful, that's why you capture and ranch asuras - gene engineer them hands!
Post by: Patchy on December 08, 2013, 01:42:10 pm
An asura would work for adding hands, though most any humanoid mob would do the trick, since the dragon pup doesn't start with any hands, and give it some of the other slots as well. Though if you want to add tons of hands and make it quadra-wield weapons the asura is the best bet.
I don't like the sound of the magic nerf, but then again my wiz experience is limited to the xmas version where they were horribly gimped. I never got around to building a wizard in the versions where they were getting buffed. *shrugs*
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 08, 2013, 04:00:41 pm
In general, I tend to like archer-type characters the best, especially if you have more than 2, the melee pets just trip over each other, and the magic pets aren't particularly smart about what they do. Throwing an artifact bow/laser on a ranged pet, however, turns them into super flak-turrets. Only problem then is getting them enough bow skill that they can actually hit the tough monsters, and eye of mind. (The Fire A Volley special becomes pretty cool when you have an actual half-dozen guys capable of really dealing damage with it.)
I do really like the chaos cloud as mob control, though. If I took the time to gene engineer it into not dying in three hits every time I find a boss by letting it actually equip SOMETHING besides a ranged weapon, it'd probably be pretty cool.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on December 08, 2013, 06:13:22 pm
Post by: Micro102 on December 09, 2013, 02:53:41 am
Any ideas?
Post by: guessingo on December 09, 2013, 04:22:27 pm
what is involved in translating this stuff to english? does someone have to manually do it or can it be done with a utility?
Post by: Blaze on December 09, 2013, 04:46:16 pm
I'm noticing that my game volume is way too loud. I have dropped it to the LOWEST setting possible (1 on the volume bar), and it still is too loud to listen to certain videos at max volume while I play.You can turn off music entirely via options. Not sure what else you can do.
Any ideas?
is all of the south part of the story line japanese only? so you can still only play in the north in elona+ in english?All the original Elona text can be found in the data folder, but all the plus material must use a different system.
what is involved in translating this stuff to english? does someone have to manually do it or can it be done with a utility?
It looks like all the text is hardcoded into the game.exe so there's not much we can do at this point.
Post by: Micro102 on December 09, 2013, 06:31:24 pm
Post by: Blaze on December 09, 2013, 07:29:43 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 11, 2013, 12:42:04 am
All the original Elona text can be found in the data folder, but all the plus material must use a different system.
It looks like all the text is hardcoded into the game.exe so there's not much we can do at this point.
Which makes very little sense to me... Why would you want to hardcode things into a mod? Wouldn't you want to make your mod more... moddable?
Post by: kcwong on December 11, 2013, 07:08:00 am
All the original Elona text can be found in the data folder, but all the plus material must use a different system.
It looks like all the text is hardcoded into the game.exe so there's not much we can do at this point.
Which makes very little sense to me... Why would you want to hardcode things into a mod? Wouldn't you want to make your mod more... moddable?
Elona is made in HSP - Hot Soup Processor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Soup_Processor
Developed by Japanese, and saw few applications outside the country. From Wiki's description it looks like a very primitive language... so perhaps they are hardcoding things to save time.
Post by: Blaze on December 11, 2013, 06:49:29 pm
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it looks like a very primitive language...Considering it's based on BASIC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC), that'd be an understatement.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 14, 2013, 09:29:21 pm
Post by: Blaze on December 14, 2013, 09:50:54 pm
I don't understand how the Japanese approach their coding at all. Everything they do seems so dwarfy.ftfy.
Noa actually made two other games before Elona: Shade (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/shade_top.html) and Etherwind (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/ether_top.html). He could've been sticking to what he already knew when he started Elona.
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 15, 2013, 10:33:42 am
I don't understand how the Japanese approach their coding at all. Everything they do seems so dwarfy.ftfy.
Noa actually made two other games before Elona: Shade (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/shade_top.html) and Etherwind (http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/ether_top.html). He could've been sticking to what he already knew when he started Elona.
There's little I find dwarfy in something like a visual novel that somehow takes up a full processor's power, no matter how trivial the actual needs of the game are. Figuring out how a "wait" command works can't be that hard.
As for stuff like Etherwind, I think I heard that most of the graphics in Elona were just straight lifted from old RPG Maker fan-made sets to save time and effort, so it's no surprise that everything looks copy-pasted.
Post by: Blaze on December 15, 2013, 01:18:08 pm
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Figuring out how a "wait" command works can't be that hard.???
Wait button is Numpad 5.
Or are you having that weird bug where turns pass really fast even when you aren't doing anything?
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on December 15, 2013, 02:57:50 pm
Post by: NW_Kohaku on December 15, 2013, 04:39:59 pm
I want to play more Elona+, it's inexplicably entertaining, I just fear the looks I'd get from my roommate were I to pop it open one day and should he become inquisitive about the hand things and the little girls and the people ranch and everything else that's really messed up about Elona. Heh.
The game is abstract enough, visually, that you could probably lie about it convincingly.
I mean, those people on the ranch are just "workers" see, they collected milk from one of the "monsters" over there, and that's some manure they need to clean up. (It helps if you have things like a Tyrannosaurus on the ranch with the humans, though. They're workers at your Jurassic Ranch. And possible snacks.)
The hands (presuming you actually mean the hand monsters) really are just a type of monster in a JRPG, no more bizarre than the hands that drop from the ceiling in Zelda.
Remember, they're not pets or slaves, they're actually called "allies" in the game.
There's also no way to visually distinguish that a little girl is a "little girl" without cursoring over their name. Besides, my little girl uses a custom sprite and has a custom portrait, anyway.
As for being entertaining for long periods of time, I think it has a lot to do with how utterly long-term every single goal you might want to set for yourself might be.
I mean, the last project I embarked upon was getting my performer skill. That meant getting together 39 platinum, which meant tons of harvest time and fetch quests, followed by setting up a Younger Sister "Mosh Pit" to train perform (perform XP grows by the number of audience NPCs, and level 1 mobs never throw rocks, although it turns out you gain more xp for higher-level mobs, so this trick runs out of usefulness once you actually DO have high-level perform... not that it matters much, as multiple extra sisters do no harm in the game, and it's always nice to come back to and perform for the artifacts they throw at you at the same rate as higher-level npcs.) by making the Younger Sister shopkeeper in the Mansion of Younger Sister get freaked out by a summoned monster and spam younger sister spawns, then warping her away. After that, performing until I needed to teleport back and train perform again. (And more quests for platinum.) While doing that, I was so utterly inundated with artifact rings and such that I'm seriously considering buying a shop. I'm now up to mid-30s perform, so I'm ready to consider actually playing in public streets, where guards can see me. (Until then, I stick to Derphy, where the absolutely LOADED prostitutes throw money at me like it's got the plague. Kill the non-prostitute non-speaking NPCs once drained of money, they're just an obstacle to getting more prostitutes.) That's about 80 game hours later, and I'm still working on pumping one skill. (Although I AM simultaneously working on a few other skills, like training Control Magic, as well as pumping some debuff spells, and saving money for a castle.)
Post by: PrimusRibbus on December 15, 2013, 06:33:37 pm
As for being entertaining for long periods of time, I think it has a lot to do with how utterly long-term every single goal you might want to set for yourself might be.
Additionally, I think the sheer level of sandboxyness really helps. Stuff might take a long time, but you can take a break from it at any time and do other things.
That said, even when times to accomplish stuff are reduced through cheesing, I still put in plenty of hours because of how massive McHuge the game is.
Post by: guessingo on December 16, 2013, 02:38:13 pm
Post by: Tarran on December 16, 2013, 03:10:23 pm
Post by: Tarran on December 21, 2013, 03:45:33 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 21, 2013, 03:54:16 pm
So yeah.Quote from: 1.30 Changelog- Disguises no longer work on Certain Unique NPCs. Disguise kits appear more often.
That's probably to prevent people on the "Slay A Rival Guildmaster" quest from getting the jump on the leaders.
Post by: kcwong on December 21, 2013, 09:06:09 pm
So yeah.Quote from: 1.30 Changelog- Disguises no longer work on Certain Unique NPCs. Disguise kits appear more often.
That's probably to prevent people on the "Slay A Rival Guildmaster" quest from getting the jump on the leaders.
So you can no longer wear a disguise to learn skills from a guild you didn't join? Would the other NPCs start fighting you if you try to incapacitate the guildmaster (like paralyze and sleep)?
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 21, 2013, 09:07:55 pm
If you were to engage the guild master, the other NPCs almost certainly wouldn't aggro. It's like fighting King Xabi in the throne room: only Xabi will be hostile, while everyone else (guards, Queen Stersha, Conery, etc) just watches.
Post by: Tarran on December 22, 2013, 01:01:31 am
So you can no longer wear a disguise to learn skills from a guild you didn't join?From what I've seen, at least from the mages guild, yes you can still learn skills. You just have to murder the guild master first.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 22, 2013, 02:45:18 am
Post by: Patchy on December 23, 2013, 12:27:36 am
Anyways, started playing again. Finally got my first evolution heart drop from a random gold golem mook in a mid 30's dungeon. Nothing else particularly interesting other than continued farming for ap to super boost mine and my little girls speed with. I think the little girl can use the evolution heart for an upgrade, but I'll have to check the wiki to be sure in a bit.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 23, 2013, 02:10:25 am
Post by: Singularity125 on December 26, 2013, 01:47:59 pm
All I can gather about the changelog is something about NPCs, ghosts, and wands... the rest is gibberish to me. But, I feel like giving it a try anyway. What's the worst that could happen? :D
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 26, 2013, 02:32:28 pm
Post by: Patchy on December 26, 2013, 08:27:43 pm
On another note, had a really nice artifact find earlier. Thought I'd post it here, as it is pretty close to perfect for my little girl.
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Post by: SirAaronIII on December 26, 2013, 08:36:59 pm
Nothing I have can compare. Probably my fanciest artifact is a titanium ring with 1 luck, 11 strength, and rotten food digestion on it.
Post by: Patchy on December 26, 2013, 08:39:36 pm
Edit: Nope it was minotaurs quest that dropped the addy kit. Loytar's Nightmare gives the rubynus kit.
Post by: Singularity125 on December 27, 2013, 12:33:28 pm
I've also noticed that the game is content to spawn a <skeleton warrior> in a beginner's dungeon and kick my ass seven ways until sunday. Some things never change. :P
Post by: Micro102 on January 12, 2014, 01:59:03 am
Post by: Singularity125 on January 12, 2014, 02:45:38 pm
I was gonna hop in and say there's a version 1.33R. I don't know what other changes it has, but it fixes the bug with the rods that I mentioned in my last post, and apparently reverts the 24h cooldown on reviving a pet, which I'm just fine with :P
The dropbox link for that is: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmv7mo349ehd7l1/2BV-mS1D56/elonaplus/elonaplus1.33R.zip
Post by: Micro102 on January 13, 2014, 03:44:08 am
Post by: Tarran on January 13, 2014, 03:49:00 am
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...You cannot wish for a small castle, estate, cyber house, rod of wish, or a spellbook of wish. Precious items may only be wished for in wizard mode...
Post by: Micro102 on January 15, 2014, 02:10:45 am
How do I check which stones I have?
Post by: Patchy on January 15, 2014, 02:30:16 am
Post by: Micro102 on January 15, 2014, 07:58:36 am
Post by: AngelXDv on January 18, 2014, 12:52:32 pm
Post by: TempAcc on January 24, 2014, 09:27:11 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on January 24, 2014, 09:38:29 pm
Here's the Dropbox link. (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/kmv7mo349ehd7l1/1HKVFYzJ0p/elonaplus)The Dropbox is always a link to the most recent version. As for the English question, it's been asked a few times and the answer has been largely the same: kinda.
It's in semi-English; the old North Tyris content is translated, the somewhat new South Tyris content is slightly translated, and the new Lost Irva content is completely untranslated.
In my experience, it's 33% semi-broken english, 33% untranslated or incorrect (as in, the line literally doesn't fit, like it's a copy from some other thing from the north) english lines, and 33% whatever else. But do note I've only scratched the surface. It's manageable and you can still do stuff quite well but it does make the game somehow feel even more foreign than it already does.Note that it's playable, just not easy to understand. With the wiki's help you should be fine.
Post by: Singularity125 on January 25, 2014, 03:01:51 pm
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Post by: AngelXDv on January 27, 2014, 07:20:24 am
Post by: Singularity125 on January 27, 2014, 10:48:42 am
Post by: GrizzlyAdamz on February 06, 2014, 01:01:04 pm
Post by: AngelXDv on February 06, 2014, 01:51:03 pm
Post by: Zangi on February 06, 2014, 02:06:14 pm
Sooo, say Someone were to pick this game up...where's the best noobie tips/guide & what version of Elona/mods should they pick up?ElonaPlus
First wish, seven league boots.
You lose stuff when you die.
You get platinums from quests.
Platinums are used to learn new skills.
Gear makes a difference. Speed and +hit chance are good to have early on.
Post by: Robsoie on February 06, 2014, 03:44:15 pm
and
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Beginner's_Guide (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Beginner's_Guide)
should get you started, after that the wiki is very usefull
Post by: Blaze on February 06, 2014, 04:36:18 pm
Post by: GrizzlyAdamz on February 06, 2014, 10:43:22 pm
For elona+, the foreign characters, they scare me D:
Post by: Zangi on February 07, 2014, 10:00:53 am
Thank ye angel, zangi, robsoie & blaze!
For elona+, the foreign characters, they scare me D:
Do not mind em. The foreign part of the game is like... literally months away unless you cheat. I have not reached it yet, still content with
Post by: PrimusRibbus on February 07, 2014, 11:06:49 am
Thank ye angel, zangi, robsoie & blaze!
For elona+, the foreign characters, they scare me D:
Do not mind em. The foreign part of the game is like... literally months away unless you cheat. I have not reached it yet, still content withCanadaNorth Tyris.
Agreed. I've put in a good 100 hours into Elona+ through all its versions and never got to the untranslated content. The game is just such a nice sandbox that I never get around to finishing the main quest. My understanding, though, is that South Tyris is pretty playable even in its mostly untranslated state.
Post by: GrizzlyAdamz on February 07, 2014, 08:15:20 pm
-e
What the hell? Why is, what's going on with the little girl?
Flames, death, 'Serdecker the little girl starts to like getting hit hard.'
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 07, 2014, 08:32:43 pm
"name has grown up" means that name leveled up, while "name feels good when hit hard" and other such green messages mean a stat increased (constitution in this case).
Post by: kcwong on February 07, 2014, 08:34:12 pm
So um, went with the pet little girl, heard she could use equipment, and uh, is it normal for us to be making pretty eyes at eachother? I also get messages about her 'growing up', that have an effect?
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What the hell? Why is, what's going on with the little girl?
Flames, death, 'Serdecker the little girl starts to like getting hit hard.'
What SirAaronIII said... be prepared for more Elona-ism. :P
Post by: Robsoie on February 07, 2014, 08:45:24 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/XEGSm2r.jpg)
.. that will smile innocently at you ...
Awkward situations : the game :D
Post by: TheBronzePickle on February 07, 2014, 09:22:08 pm
Post by: Patchy on February 08, 2014, 12:24:04 am
Post by: TheBronzePickle on February 08, 2014, 12:38:30 am
Supposedly they can use ranged weapons, but I've never seen them use anything I've given them (or the stone they usually start with) so I'm not sure if it's an AI issue or they just can't do it.
Post by: Ogdibus on February 08, 2014, 12:42:23 am
Post by: LordBucket on February 08, 2014, 01:48:00 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 08, 2014, 01:58:56 am
The nice thing about your little girl is that she can pretty much wear anything you can, so as you get new gear you can hand-me-down your older stuff to her, or put the armor that you really like but it doesn't quite have the enchantments you want on her.Pets are also good if you like to use light armor but find really nice heavy stuff. I've given my pets stuff like diamond plate mails and adamantium knight shields because they're way too heavy for spellcasting, and also artifact cloaks and jewelry because my slots are filled. Like Ogdibus says, they will occasionally use ranged weapons. It really depends on the type of creature; for example, it looks like bells use throwing attacks exclusively, while more melee-oriented pets like golden knights will only sometimes use their ranged weapon.
Supposedly they can use ranged weapons, but I've never seen them use anything I've given them (or the stone they usually start with) so I'm not sure if it's an AI issue or they just can't do it.
I never really found allies to be very worthwhile. They die so easily, and I found it sufficiently effective and vastly simpler to hoard skillgains for myself.I agree with this sentiment. While on my last and most successful game I used a gang of 5 pets, I found they got too crowded and didn't leave me many opportunities to train, so I put them all away after Zeome. These days, I usually only summon them in "oh my god i'm gonna get killed" moments or for higher-difficulty dungeons. I've also been way too lazy to gene engineer them to reach their maximum power. And I don't ride anything.
Post by: Ivefan on February 08, 2014, 01:59:50 am
I never really found allies to be very worthwhile. They die so easily, and I found it sufficiently effective and vastly simpler to hoard skillgains for myself.You haven't had the right ones or haven't given them enough attention. There are some that makes the game boring because they are too good
Post by: Patchy on February 08, 2014, 02:29:00 am
As for pets being worthwhile, few if any start out like that. There are some that are significantly easier to get to the state of "worthwhile". Then there are others that have a large list of things you need to do to get them to that state. In E+ a pet is as strong as the effort you put into it, which is probably the biggest change over vanilla where you were better off capturing newer and stronger pets to replace old ones as you go.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 08, 2014, 02:41:24 am
Either that or already-strong mobs like spiral kings and the like, which have been hyped up something fierce by the wikia. Of course they'd be strong because they're base level 65. Though with Elona+ there are way stronger enemies, as well as even faster bells.
Post by: Robsoie on February 08, 2014, 11:17:27 am
For the training grind of my spells, it's always better to send them to town before, as they may kill things before i can even shoot them.
Post by: kcwong on February 09, 2014, 05:39:17 am
Personnally i like to have a lot of allies, even if half of them may die early (when better equipped it's much better though), i always have fun in having my personal army of minions fighting those monsters.
For the training grind of my spells, it's always better to send them to town before, as they may kill things before i can even shoot them.
Or bring your minions along, so you can train your Control Magic at the same time. ;D
Post by: LordBucket on February 09, 2014, 09:52:45 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on February 10, 2014, 11:56:43 am
It's been a while since I've played elona seriously, but the way I remember the higher level experience it was an awful lot of walking into rooms and holding down the ranged attack button and waiting for the room to clear. Maybe Elona+ changes things, but from what I remember of the base game I'm skeptical that investing all the required time into minions is anything but an aesthetic choice.
I remember the base game a little differently. Fast ranged pets have always been hilariously OP, even more so in Elona+.
That said, there's no real reason to use the vast majority of melee pets when you can roomclear everything in sight by bringing in a few ranged pets and holding down the F key.
Post by: Zale on February 16, 2014, 10:10:28 pm
It's a bit strange for your god to give you something that lolnukes magic when you're a wizard. I suppose you could always stick it on a pet, as long as you make sure there's no way they'll ever loose mana.
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 16, 2014, 10:14:35 pm
Post by: Zale on February 16, 2014, 10:36:14 pm
I've barely got into the competent area with this game.
65 hours in, I have a vague idea of what I'm doing and I can usually handle dungeons about half or so my level without croaking.
What's the best way to obtain good equipment? Trading with adventurers? Black market?
Post by: SirAaronIII on February 16, 2014, 10:42:49 pm
Black markets are also good to get enchanted stuff and artifacts, but they can get expensive as you have to invest some gold to see good stuff, and their merchandise is more expensive than other stores.
Adventurers can have good things too, but I haven't seen anything impressive so far aside from unrandarts like the Bow of Vinderre and the Zantetsu.
Post by: Patchy on February 17, 2014, 11:50:34 am
Post by: Singularity125 on February 17, 2014, 12:07:16 pm
Post by: Zale on February 20, 2014, 08:25:58 am
I'm mostly pondering because I can't see how to play a fighty-type person.
Magic I can grasp fairly well, it's just I don't see the best way to use money if you mostly just stab people.
Post by: Micro102 on February 20, 2014, 04:04:11 pm
Post by: sonerohi on March 11, 2014, 08:28:50 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 11, 2014, 08:31:36 pm
Post by: sonerohi on March 11, 2014, 08:44:16 pm
You can press Enter.
...I. Really? I just can't- I mean-... damn that never occurred to me. Thank you very much.
Post by: Micro102 on March 11, 2014, 09:53:46 pm
Post by: MCipher on March 12, 2014, 11:25:07 am
Post by: Micro102 on March 12, 2014, 01:26:14 pm
Also, I think spacebar acts as a pickup action.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 12, 2014, 02:43:29 pm
Post by: Patchy on March 12, 2014, 03:12:12 pm
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Post by: SirAaronIII on March 12, 2014, 03:21:44 pm
And that reminds me of how funny Elona's measurements can be. She's 21, just over 4 feet tall, and..... 30 pounds. She has more inches of height than pounds. Heheh.
I really should play a little more Elona, but I don't know where to put all these rods. I can't bear throwing them away. I mean, they're precious Itzpalt offerings, and it'd be a bit of a waste to just sell them or drop them, so I try to use all their charges first. Of course, I probably have enough hoarded like a packrat to get all the rewards at once... If only I had more faith.
I've done kind of the same thing to jewelry, bows, and guns, just grabbing all the cheap trash weapons/rings I can get and throwing them on the Truce Ground's floor.
Post by: Patchy on March 12, 2014, 03:28:09 pm
As for elonas odd measurement system... can't do much about that. *shrugs*
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 12, 2014, 03:30:14 pm
Post by: kcwong on March 13, 2014, 01:15:45 am
I really should play a little more Elona, but I don't know where to put all these rods. I can't bear throwing them away. I mean, they're precious Itzpalt offerings, and it'd be a bit of a waste to just sell them or drop them, so I try to use all their charges first. Of course, I probably have enough hoarded like a packrat to get all the rewards at once... If only I had more faith.
I've done kind of the same thing to jewelry, bows, and guns, just grabbing all the cheap trash weapons/rings I can get and throwing them on the Truce Ground's floor.
You can also stash them in the bandit dungeon after you clear it. Your ranches and farms can be used to store a bit of stuff. If you get a spare wish, a dungeon can hold a lot of items. The more expensive option is to buy up/down stairs from the yearly festival. That effectively doubles your house's capacity.
Post by: MCipher on March 14, 2014, 11:30:14 am
Post by: Shiramizu on March 22, 2014, 09:23:44 pm
Aureate Constricter (Yacatect) - since the minimum transaction value needed to improve Negotiation is (NegotiationLevel+10)^2 it's very hard to improve it past 80 and onward. HOWEVER the NegotiationLevel in the formula DOES count enchantments including negative ones. This item makes it infinitely easier to level negotiation and charisma. Take note the bonus for workshiping Yacatect is counted after this arifacts so you can end up with above 0 effective Negotiation.
Sasumata (Ehekatl) - a weapom that can't kill even the weakest enemies means infinite staff, evasion, greater evasion, eye of mind, stranght, stamina training. Just hold down the button (or use something to do that for you). Theoretically you can get simmilar results by damaging your weapon with acid enough times, but it would take forever.
Fetter of Earth (Opatos) - the speed malus is plain terrible...unless you want to grind AP at high speed. AP grinding requires your speed to be lower than your opponents. Might want to workship Lulwy to have a bit more than 10 speed though.
Magic Canceler (Itzpalt) - helps with leveling offensive spells by both reducing casting propability (it will eventually reach 100% from levels anyway, but...) and decrising the ammount of dice rolls.
Wheel of Fortune (Ehekatl) - Control magic gets more exp when you actually hit your pets, so this can be a speedy way to raise it, but more importantly hitting 10+ pets with strong ball spell trains your Magic at a decent rate. The problem is to make sure not to kill your pets.
Tempest Coller (Lulwy) - mostly useful to train armor skills since they go up faster if you get hit so having 0 evasion and greater evasion speeds that up quite a bit (just don't die).
Mechanical Binder (Mani) - no criticals means more normal hits per enemy means more weapon EXP, though I think it's better to rust some unwanted piece of whatever weapon you're using to -10 or lower.
Green God Thorn (Kumiromi) - slower HP, MP regen means more EXP to regeneration, meditation, but it's easier to level regeneration by carrying too much and droping it near death and casting spells.
I've also recently completed North Tyris questline. Would anyone be interesed in a VERY rough synopsis of the South Tyris story as I go? My Japanese is kinda so-so'ish (especially with the constant use of Old Japanese in this game), but I could give it a try.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 23, 2014, 01:07:18 am
About rust/acid damage to weapons, I don't think it goes lower than -10, but I've never had anything get that low before. Theoretically just -10 shouldn't be that bad, but you never know.
Good thinking on the uses, by the way, especially the Fetter of Earth and AP. I never would have thought of those.
On a side note, does anyone know how to delete custom NPCs? I went in a moongate map, screwed around a bit with the splitting enemies there. When I came back to the real world and started a sick dad quest, the NPC I had to escort was one of the NPCs from the map. I imagine there's some sort of npc file somewhere that I'm supposed to delete, but I don't know where to start looking.
Post by: Shiramizu on March 23, 2014, 04:03:45 am
I'll try to post what I understand (or think I understand) from the plot as I go. This might be slow at times because I enjoy this game too much to rush it 8).
Post by: Patchy on March 23, 2014, 11:56:08 am
Aureate Constricter (Yacatect): If the negotiation skill really does work like that, that'd be an awesome way to train it.
Sasumata (Jure): Good easy way to train polearm then. There are a couple of decent polearms out there including Jure's own Holy Rance, which could benefit greatly from this.
Fetter of Earth (Opatos): I thought the wiki said the formula for ap gain ran off base speed, though it did mention there was a bonus in it that did rely on current speed provided you passed the other checks still. Guess I'll have to go look up the formula again.
Magic Canceler (Itzpalt): While you could use it for magic training, it is still one of the more useless ones. A simple sandbagged enemy serves the same purpose and is far easier to obtain. But the goal was to find an actual use for these items and this is one.
Wheel of Fortune (Ehekatl): Definately a good use. Don't see any problems here.
Tempest Coller (Lulwy): Again not much to add here. The extra pv from leveling armour skills is rather negligble but it does add up after awhile. Though between the passive training of just wearing it and traveling skill boosts, would probably save getting this artifact for last or 2nd to last.
Mechanical Binder (Mani): See Jure, except its for everything else.
Green God Thorn (Kumiromi): Nothing to say here, that you didn't already say.
Definately some creative uses for these, but I'm probably still not going to go out of my way to get these. *shrugs*
Edit: Some corrections were made.
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 23, 2014, 01:18:11 pm
Not sure about the NPC's, but there is a knpc file in the save directory (custom is written with 'k' in japanese) so maybe you could delete/overwrite it with a clear data.Thanks. I tried deleting the file entirely, and the save still seems to work, so I think we're good. Of course I kept a backup just in case, though.
Magic Canceler (Itzpalt): While you could use it for magic training, it is still one of the more useless ones. A simple sandbagged enemy serves the same purpose and is far easier to obtain. But the goal was to find an actual use for these items and this is one.There's a problem with that: in Elona+'s later versions, just being near sandbagged NPCs eliminates skill gains. I can confirm this for 1.30, as when I was shooting and cursing a trapped bear, nothing was going up.
This raises another question: what are sandbags even good for now?
Post by: Patchy on March 23, 2014, 01:27:54 pm
Post by: Ivefan on March 23, 2014, 01:44:53 pm
This raises another question: what are sandbags even good for now?Whining decoration monsters?
Near as in the same area or within X squares?
Post by: SirAaronIII on March 23, 2014, 02:41:19 pm
Post by: Shiramizu on March 25, 2014, 02:10:49 am
Also sorry, but I still haven't even gotten to South Tyris (AP grinding the void) so I still haven't got any translation done.
Edit:Just checked you can't move sandbaged NPC's so that one's not gonna work.
Post by: Shiramizu on April 06, 2014, 07:59:44 am
After the fall of Vindale forest many people have died and even though live has mostly returned to normal many things changed between various countries.
The creator of Lost Ria Barius was removed after foreign spies found out about his connection to Seymour (his policy of neutrality of Lost Ria was a hinderrance to other countries).
Most of the Elea have turned their backs on the now falling Lost Ria becoming refugees. Still persecuted and without home the Elea have gone into despair and started numerous uprisings all over Irva.
At the same time the Yerles and Eulderna have begun an invasion of South Tyris. They're motives were unknown. The Yuere chose to oppose them and a three-sided conflict has begun.
You visit South Tyris in the midst of this chaos. A new destiny opens up before you. The beginning of a new adventure...
Also, should I also translate all the different sub quests (probably most of what I'll be doing for some time)?
Post by: Niveras on April 06, 2014, 08:44:55 am
Sasumata (Ehekatl): Good easy way to train staff then, and if I recall Itzpalt's god weapon was a surprisingly good melee weapon, that could really benefit from the training.
The wiki says it is a polearm, not a staff (also it is Jure's; Ehekatl got listed twice, which confused me).
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 06, 2014, 09:41:59 am
Unrelated: How can I boost an exile's damage? It only does about 40 damage on the best shots, which is really not enough. I suppose I could use Nightmare for my own attacks and just have it piggyback along...
Post by: Blaze on April 06, 2014, 09:54:57 am
Post by: Shiramizu on April 06, 2014, 04:35:26 pm
From what I've played some quest are rather awkwardly translated. For instance the "Demonstration level 60" should be "Distraction level 60". Your goal is to distract a unit of Eulderna from reinforcing the ruins Yerles are planning to attack. After you kill everyone Milis is surprised, because she only expected you to distract them not wipe them out and decides you deserve a bonus.
In the Fallen Princess it's implied the NPC's in the room kept the princess company, but it wasn't enough to satisfy her. She is borderline insane thinking whichever NPC you give her is her lost lover (she'll notice something is wrong in the pets charisma is too low). Still haven't got 200 char, so I don't know how the quest ends.
Kind of skipped over the Bamboo Sprout and Lune's dialogues. From what I gathered Lune is trying to find a new place to live after some mistake she made working for her previous master. After you offer to help her she thanks you, but says there's no way anyone can get that much money (2mil). After you talk to her with enough cash on hand she is very surprised, but still warns you that the upkeep is 6000/month. After you reply that it's not a problem she comments on how different your approach to money is from hers and says you'll have to talk to her previous master.
Zernard offers you to join him on his pirate hunting trip proposing to split the gain 7(him):3(you). I found it funny that the rejecting answer has you saying you have a ship phobia to which he'll ask if something happened in the past (intro happened). After you get on the ship Zernerd is nowhere to be found. After you beat the pirate captain and return to shore you'll find out he got seasick and couldn't participate. This changes the split to 10(you):0(him) (serves him right).
Post by: Patchy on April 06, 2014, 07:35:09 pm
Sasumata (Ehekatl): Good easy way to train staff then, and if I recall Itzpalt's god weapon was a surprisingly good melee weapon, that could really benefit from the training.
The wiki says it is a polearm, not a staff (also it is Jure's; Ehekatl got listed twice, which confused me).
Ok, fixed the errors. Thank you.
As for the translations, thats actually kind of nice. Sure beats running it through google translate and getting the broken english out of it.
I also play the warrior/caster hybrid, fairy claymores go figure huh. Though I mainly use my magic for the buffs/heals/utility spells and save my pots for when silenced mainly.
As for pets and the spell levels, no clue on it. I used to use the exile back in vanilla with my wizard there, but I have yet to play a full blown wiz in + and haven't worshipped Itzpalt yet for another exile. And haven't been too terribly interested in aquiring other pets since I'm focusing on making my lil girl into the ultimate pet.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 06, 2014, 09:23:19 pm
Re: Fallen Princess:That matches up mostly well with the wiki's version. I'm assuming you already know what happens at the end, so that could be her confusing you for the lost lover. Or something.
Re: Bamboo/Lune: Everything seems to be in order here. Shame about the bamboo sprout, but the backstory for a bamboo sprout wanting you to beat up some mushrooms seems..... shaky at best.
Re: Pirate hunting: Yup, that's translated in the English version (if somewhat poorly). "I do not have good memory of the ship" or something like that IIRC. What a loser, though; we got over our Etherwind-sinking-our-ship-phobia without any issues.
Personally I play mostly pure wizard, though I do use throwing weapons and sometimes melee attacks. I'm trying to boost all my buffs, hexes, and attacks at the same time as I'm training my pets to be more useful (I'm stuck in a cycle of "these pets are too strong, go back to town" > "these pets are too weak, get stronger" > "help they're too strong again") which leaves quite a few things to be done every sleep cycle if I want to minimize the time spent with 400% spell potential.
Side question: any feat recommendations? I've already maxed the speed, luck, and stamina ones as well as the exorcist one, and I've just gotten the first tier of the life and mana boosting ones.
Post by: guessingo on April 19, 2014, 12:38:11 pm
Its a hassle finding these.
Anyway to keep pets from attacking specific monster types like bells?
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 19, 2014, 01:02:58 pm
As for finding bells, I don't really have any advice. I notice whenever I spam Summon Monsters, at least one bell appears, but then there are the rest of the summons to deal with.
Post by: guessingo on April 19, 2014, 01:26:01 pm
1. how do you tell what body parts your pets have? The only way I can now is to give them lots of different eq and see what they equip? I know when i gene engineer it says your pet gains a limb. its hard to keep track of.
2. I want to change the images of my bell pets to all be different. I was able to change 1 of them to a different image, but i dont have any more options? Im using Elona+1.35 RL? It makes it easier to keep track of them.
3. does it matter how many pets are with me when i train control magic? I find that spamming area affect spells are best. I have a limited supply of resist eq and my pets die. so id rather just bring one ,but i dont know if this slows me down.
4. do bejewelled chests have better drops at higher DLs? I saw somewhere that its recommended to stockpile these for higher DL. then looked on the elona forums and saw that others said this is not accurate. anyone know? are drops from bejewelled chests affected by luck?
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 19, 2014, 02:19:10 pm
2. If you mean their sprite, try pressing i, choosing the bell you want to change, choose option e (Shape change), and inputting a number from 2-16. This will change the sprite to be the sprite on the corresponding spot in /graphic/character.bmp. Those are the ones labeled pic2, pic 3, etc near the bottom.
3. Yes, the more pets you attack, the more exp you'll get.
4. Formerly, hoarding bejeweled chests and opening them in higher DL dungeons would give you better stuff, but in the later versions of Elona+, their contents are based on where they were generated. Luck does play a part in giving more equipment attributes.
Post by: guessingo on April 20, 2014, 11:05:54 am
Post by: EuchreJack on April 20, 2014, 11:30:52 am
I'd probably run this to the max by keeping Mica gear purely for loot generation. Mica Suit Away!
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on April 20, 2014, 01:00:24 pm
I've done testing with this at Palmia & the treasure ball machines. I've found my drops are significantly better if I activate the treasure ball machines with Lucky Day activated, as opposed to opening previously-gained treasure balls with a now-activated Lucky Day bonus. I'm pretty sure this is a recent change, mind you. I remember saving my treasure balls/chests/safes for whenever I'd get Lucky Day bonuses before E+. Now the [range of] rewards for chests and such are generated upon creation of the object, like mentioned before. More luck when generating item = better drops. The drops always have a range of quality, though, which is noticeable if you save-scum before opening something like a Pyramid chest.
I think on the whole 'treasure map reward' you'd need Lucky Day before digging up the chest itself, not before reading the map. I dunno, though, that could've also been changed with the reward generation scheme. I might need to test that. I always wait to do Treasure digging till I have the Lucky Day bonus, by the way. Most systems in Elona are so opaque it's best to err on the side of cheeseing to be able to progress.
Post by: MCipher on April 23, 2014, 07:19:20 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 23, 2014, 07:34:44 pm
Nobody knows what it means or whether it has an effect yet, it seems.
Post by: guessingo on April 26, 2014, 12:31:48 pm
I saw 1.35rl. Its hard to tell from the translation what changed
Post by: Kassire on April 26, 2014, 12:36:54 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 26, 2014, 01:05:15 pm
I have trouble reading treasure maps. How do you guys figure out where stiff is.Can't really help there, besides just some normal tips: look for landmarks like trees, flowers, mountains, glowing areas (that means there's a dungeon/town there), and you can look around the world map with *.
Sorry probably a stupid question but how do I put the graphic pack in? I already extracted it but how do I overwrite the graphic files that are already provided from installing the base game?Drop them into the graphic folder. The main thing is character.bmp but I've seen a graphics pack replace other UI elements.
Post by: Kassire on April 26, 2014, 01:17:14 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 26, 2014, 01:45:05 pm
Post by: Niveras on April 26, 2014, 01:49:48 pm
I have trouble reading treasure maps. How do you guys figure out where stiff is.
I saw 1.35rl. Its hard to tell from the translation what changed
I open up a full image of the world map (the wiki has one, I believe) and painstakingly compare the treasure map to the world map. Usually coasts and roads can be relatively obvious, but even trees and shrubs can be useful. (Though I think E+ changes some of the worldmap tiles so the wiki map is not 100% accurate. For example, there'll still be a tree in the same place, but E+ might show 3 trees on the tile while the old world map shows only 1, or something.)
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 26, 2014, 01:57:26 pm
Post by: etgfrog on April 26, 2014, 06:47:26 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 27, 2014, 01:15:24 am
1. How much AP should I save before moving to South Tyris? I have arond 1700 now but I feel like I should go to the Void or something to farm more after Shiramizu's posts.
2. What should I spend all that AP on? Speed boosts, I presume?
3. Do Magic Storm, Crystal Spear, Dark Eye, or any other magic attack ever start outdoing Magic Dart? I feel like Nerve and Dark Eye are catching up in terms of dice, and the elemental bolts are starting to surpass it, but those are all reliant on hexes to lower resistances. Both elemental and hex resistance are super high on bosses, so I feel like if I just spammed Magic Dart instead of trying to get Nightmare or Element Scar off, I'd be able to take things out faster. Meanwhile, the two other magic-type attacks are just weak right now, and more expensive in gold and MP. If I level them up, they may get more powerful but they'll also get even costlier. On the other hand, higher level enemies' resistances also all scale up, including magic...
4. What should I save small medals for? I'm thinking either the tonfa or Sage's Helm, but I'm not really sure I'd use either. I've heard good things about the Diablo but how does it compare to, say, the Mournblade? How about a sweet artifact sword?
5. How do you go about getting these sweet artifacts anyway? I mean, I find plenty of great and miracle quality items off quests and salaries and the like, but I only spot good things on black markets and adventurers very rarely.
6. What should I choose as a reward from the little sisters quest? I've read that hero cheeses and the mana-boosting food (I forgot, sorry) are the only good choices unless you've lost a precious item or something, but I've also heard hoping for miracle stuff can net you some nice gear too.
Post by: etgfrog on April 27, 2014, 04:14:23 pm
A few questions:1. You are free to move back and forth between north and south tyris, it isn't a one time move. Remember though, you can only store 3000
1. How much AP should I save before moving to South Tyris? I have arond 1700 now but I feel like I should go to the Void or something to farm more after Shiramizu's posts.
2. What should I spend all that AP on? Speed boosts, I presume?
3. Do Magic Storm, Crystal Spear, Dark Eye, or any other magic attack ever start outdoing Magic Dart? I feel like Nerve and Dark Eye are catching up in terms of dice, and the elemental bolts are starting to surpass it, but those are all reliant on hexes to lower resistances. Both elemental and hex resistance are super high on bosses, so I feel like if I just spammed Magic Dart instead of trying to get Nightmare or Element Scar off, I'd be able to take things out faster. Meanwhile, the two other magic-type attacks are just weak right now, and more expensive in gold and MP. If I level them up, they may get more powerful but they'll also get even costlier. On the other hand, higher level enemies' resistances also all scale up, including magic...
4. What should I save small medals for? I'm thinking either the tonfa or Sage's Helm, but I'm not really sure I'd use either. I've heard good things about the Diablo but how does it compare to, say, the Mournblade? How about a sweet artifact sword?
5. How do you go about getting these sweet artifacts anyway? I mean, I find plenty of great and miracle quality items off quests and salaries and the like, but I only spot good things on black markets and adventurers very rarely.
6. What should I choose as a reward from the little sisters quest? I've read that hero cheeses and the mana-boosting food (I forgot, sorry) are the only good choices unless you've lost a precious item or something, but I've also heard hoping for miracle stuff can net you some nice gear too.
2. Speed is always good however it will make gaining ap again a bit harder. Barrier is good if you have a large mana pool and high magic control.
3. Dark eye is used for the status effects it gives, crystal spear and magic storm are aoe and shouldn't be out damaging a single target spell. But having a high level elemental scar can let you do more damage quickly then just spamming magic dart. Its a balancing act of knowing what works best in what situation. But you are right, you can just keep magic dart and use it practically forever.
4. small medals...oh boy, this one is up in the air about what is best to get. I like getting bottles of water to bless equipment initially. Getting a hammer to make a seven league boots an artifact is a good idea too. Just be warned that the stats that the hammer gives is
5. Dungeons, the final rewards in dungeons gives some of the best artifacts that I've found.
6. Hero cheese is almost always good...although I'm wanting to say the happy apple is a good pick as luck is...well luck, increases the odds of finding good equipment.
Post by: Patchy on April 27, 2014, 05:38:17 pm
A few questions:
1. How much AP should I save before moving to South Tyris? I have arond 1700 now but I feel like I should go to the Void or something to farm more after Shiramizu's posts.
2. What should I spend all that AP on? Speed boosts, I presume?
3. Do Magic Storm, Crystal Spear, Dark Eye, or any other magic attack ever start outdoing Magic Dart? I feel like Nerve and Dark Eye are catching up in terms of dice, and the elemental bolts are starting to surpass it, but those are all reliant on hexes to lower resistances. Both elemental and hex resistance are super high on bosses, so I feel like if I just spammed Magic Dart instead of trying to get Nightmare or Element Scar off, I'd be able to take things out faster. Meanwhile, the two other magic-type attacks are just weak right now, and more expensive in gold and MP. If I level them up, they may get more powerful but they'll also get even costlier. On the other hand, higher level enemies' resistances also all scale up, including magic...
4. What should I save small medals for? I'm thinking either the tonfa or Sage's Helm, but I'm not really sure I'd use either. I've heard good things about the Diablo but how does it compare to, say, the Mournblade? How about a sweet artifact sword?
5. How do you go about getting these sweet artifacts anyway? I mean, I find plenty of great and miracle quality items off quests and salaries and the like, but I only spot good things on black markets and adventurers very rarely.
6. What should I choose as a reward from the little sisters quest? I've read that hero cheeses and the mana-boosting food (I forgot, sorry) are the only good choices unless you've lost a precious item or something, but I've also heard hoping for miracle stuff can net you some nice gear too.
1. As has been said you can travel back and forth freely. No need to worry about saving ap before reaching south tyris. Though if you want ap purely for boosting your speed I do suggest you save as much as possible before you spend it. As your speed increases it gets progressively harder to gain more ap. You can get around the 3000 ap cap and store a little over 7000 ap if you take advantage of buying the barrier skill and the other 2000 ap skill that lets you get a full refund on them when you don't want them anymore. My lil girl is at 500 base speed now, and I have to take her fairly deep into the void to get any ap.
2. Speed boosts are probably one of the better picks, but there are a handful of situational skills that might be handy to have depending on your pet.
3. I haven't really tried using much offensive magic in E+, fraid I can't help you much. Though I was doing pretty well with the nightmare+nerve arrow combo back in vanilla. Could solo spiral kings and such with it, though it took a long long long time to kill.
4. I prefer hermes bloods for my small medal usage. The unique artfacts can be nice and may be worth the one time purchase cost. Though a hammer is handy if you have a worthy enough non-artifact item to use it on, bit of a gamble though unless you don't mind scumming it. Waters are a waste of medals though if you have a pot of fusion already. The recipe to make the bottles of water is easy enough to get.
5. No real way I've noticed. Just keep doing everything you do to get random artifacts. And one of these days you'll luck out and the rng will roll something exceptionally worthwhile. I find tons of junk artifacts before I find a nice one capable of truly wowing someone.
6. Hero cheese, mana food, happy apples are good picks. But you can keep rerolling the rewards and occasionally get a really nice random artifact. Godly equipment can come up in the reward list, just depends on your patience. It can take a lot of rerolls.
Post by: etgfrog on April 27, 2014, 07:57:38 pm
Post by: Patchy on April 27, 2014, 08:01:07 pm
Though if you are serious about perfomance quests, get yourself a set +performance gear.
Post by: SirAaronIII on April 27, 2014, 08:17:09 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on April 28, 2014, 01:39:50 pm
I have trouble reading treasure maps. How do you guys figure out where stiff is.
I saw 1.35rl. Its hard to tell from the translation what changed
Actually Elona+ is up to 1.36R2 now. The biggest change seems to be that you can "pair up" with a pet and stand in the same square. The system sort of reminds me of a similar feature that's in Fire Emblem: Awakening. But I haven't played it myself to see how it works out. I tend to be the type to do without pets anyway... too much micromanagement for me.
As for maps, you can also use the reference of North Tyris that's on the wiki and try to find the spot that way. That continent is largely unchanged from vanilla Elona.
Post by: Ivefan on May 01, 2014, 06:46:19 am
Though looking over the comments at the wiki, the recent patches seems a bit buggy so does anyone know which version would be the most stable one?
Post by: etgfrog on May 01, 2014, 02:17:55 pm
Considering having another run at this.Outside of using preaching I don't think its that buggy.
Though looking over the comments at the wiki, the recent patches seems a bit buggy so does anyone know which version would be the most stable one?
Post by: Propman on May 02, 2014, 04:29:41 am
On a side note, new version apparently has ballistas: They're kinda like the machine guns of nethack: they hit like trains if you find one as say, an archer, but are impractical to carry around.
Post by: snelg on May 02, 2014, 09:10:06 am
Also, I've got characters since earlier (various mods and vanilla) which I'm guessing I won't be able to use and I don't really mind since I'd like a fresh start. But can I perhaps still do inheritance from them or will it screw me over? I'd like to carry over some items and the like for when I'm past the early game. Maybe it's something I will notice early in the game with any luck if that is the case.
Post by: Ivefan on May 02, 2014, 09:38:07 am
It would probably be possible to do inheritance from legacy characters aslong as none of the items are due to a mod.
Post by: Patchy on May 02, 2014, 10:56:11 am
Post by: Propman on May 02, 2014, 09:52:05 pm
Wait, Nethack has machine guns!? Or is that Slash'em?
Up on closer inspection, I am mistaken, and it is Slash'em that has the MGs. I once killed the Wizard of Yendor that way; wasn't very practical, given that it wasted a lot of ammunition, yet was satisfying as all Gehennom.
Post by: Ivefan on May 03, 2014, 03:21:40 am
Post by: Ogdibus on May 03, 2014, 04:19:43 am
Post by: Ivefan on May 03, 2014, 06:51:08 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 03, 2014, 02:23:11 pm
Also, I know Panic! and Challenge quests are guaranteed to give at least 2, but I dunno about everything else.
Post by: Ivefan on May 03, 2014, 03:35:31 pm
I think the color and $ number on quests changes depending on how strong you are. For example, you probably won't be seeing any drakes or chess pieces in green $$ hunting quests, but these days I get plenty. The game probably measures your power/fame and shows the difficulty relative to you. Or something. Basically what Ogdibus said.Well, I do know that the available quests depends on the players fame and that higher fame makes quests with more $$ available.
But that was not really what i asked because it has always been this way, But i can't recall that one got more than 1 coin for each quest before.
Or maybe that was because i kept my fame low for power gaming purposes.
Post by: UristMcDwarf on May 03, 2014, 06:53:33 pm
Post by: Logical2u on May 03, 2014, 07:01:00 pm
what is this game? i ate my mace?
It's a roguelike! your mace was either made out of candy or meat. Enkoy!
Post by: Henny on May 24, 2014, 10:05:12 am
What are some of your favourite race and class combinations? For me:
Goblin Thief - Starts with all of the Fighter Guild's trademark skills (Dual Wield, Eye of Mind, Tactics) and can start buttering up to Ehekatl immediately. Magic Device and extra life is also awesome for a non-casting character.
Goblin Archer - Similar to the above, but with other strengths.
Elea Wizard - The go-to specialist caster combination, it might not be as specialized as Lich/Wizard, but not as frail and ugly either.
Juere Wizard - Not as good at magic as the above one, but comes with a lot of other useful skills and attributes in return.
Lich Claymore - Pour all feats into ascetic and one gets a caster that can kick some serious whoopass as well without equipment penalties getting in the way.
Lich Gunner - Similar to the above. Liches are seriously badass, though shame about the crappy strength.
Eulderna Predator - stronk speed, the non-shitty casting skills, cool utility skills, good combat skills, awesome attributes, magic resistance... a damn good Jack of all Stats.
Dwarf Predator - Stupidly strong, it also has some good skill synergies (Anatomy - Cooking, Detection - Jeweler). Start out with Firebreathing for some fun!
Golem Archer - Weight doesn't seem to affect riding - use this to your advantage to create the ultimate munchkin character! You're pretty screwed if your ride dies, though.
Fairy Pianist - resistances out the wazoo, 20 charisma, weightlifting, 130 mana, 120 speed... it's honestly pretty broken once the initial HP hurdle is overcome.
Post by: Trapezohedron on May 24, 2014, 10:19:03 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 24, 2014, 10:33:05 am
Also, how do you get rid of anorexia besides death? I tried just drinking a bunch of potions to restore hunger, but they don't recover nearly enough. I also want to avoid vomiting as much as possible because seriously, stat loss is never good.
Post by: Trapezohedron on May 24, 2014, 10:36:15 am
Post by: Patchy on May 24, 2014, 11:37:37 am
Post by: Henny on May 24, 2014, 11:45:16 am
Aside from what you listed (Elea Wizard 4lyfe), there's always Yerles Farmer, or pretty much anything. While the start may be slow, the free bonus points are really helpful and save you platinum from training that you can use to get actual fighting skills.I don't see much use in having high learning - unless one has "it stunts growth" equipment the necessary learning required to get more bonus points seems to be far too high, and rises every level. There's a rumour that it can speed up skill learning, but I don't know if it's true. The only tangible benefit seems to be some slight extra MP.
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 24, 2014, 11:48:51 am
I don't see much use in having high learning - unless one has "it stunts growth" equipment the necessary learning required to get more bonus points seems to be far too high, and rises every level. There's a rumour that it can speed up skill learning, but I don't know if it's true. The only tangible benefit seems to be some slight extra MP.I meant the Yerles feat that gives you a single bonus point. I don't know if learning even gives any bonus points, since I have ~110 but still only get 5 per level. Granted, that's effective and not base, but still. Looking back, maybe a single point from Yerles racial feat isn't super extremely good.
E: I went shopping for some music discs at the Cyber Dome and remembered to check out the strange scientist's shop. Check out what I found:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Patchy on May 24, 2014, 05:31:36 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 24, 2014, 05:34:26 pm
Post by: Henny on May 26, 2014, 10:06:24 am
Blackjack is great.
Post by: Micro102 on May 30, 2014, 03:57:52 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on May 30, 2014, 09:04:16 am
Over here, I thrashed Zeome with lightning bolts a while back and watched the new (?) Orphe cutscene about the Origin of Vice. Now I'm just biding my time until I hit level 70, then I'll go play in the south.
I also beat Frisia, who's a joke if you have around 300 DV and PV. High ranked Holy Shield and Feather help a lot. For some reason, she took HUGE damage from Magic Dart (3500), even more than Nightmare+Dark/Nerve Eye (600). Tried to take on Utima as well, and was similarly doing okay until I got hit once by the Rail Gun and Chaos Ball procced, destroying me. Looks like high DV is essential since it'll never invoke if it never hits. My chaos resist and PV were both high.
Post by: guessingo on July 26, 2014, 04:52:37 pm
in 1.38R, learning isn't so nerfed. you have a chance that when you sue a skill it will train between 2-5x. The formula is based on learning. We are not sure how often it happens or how the formula works. So learning isn't totally useless anymore (they had nerfed it).
Post by: 1piemaster1 on July 26, 2014, 06:30:38 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 26, 2014, 11:18:31 pm
Notably, magic was really buffed (I don't remember when sorry). Spellbooks are way more affordable, casting uses only a third the stock it used to, and spells gain 20% potential (which can now be viewed) every time you sleep rather than only when you gain stock in them. Sometime after (1.35??) it was slightly nerfed; spells do less damage the further away you are.
The third continent Lost Irva was added, and the main story was fleshed out more. You'll have to beat both North and South Tyris' stories to go there though. It's a long way off.
AP and related stuff was greatly changed; now it's based off an INI stat and some other stuff. See the page for more info.
Plenty of new artifacts, places, and NPCs, as well as a slightly smaller number of new spells.
Post by: aenri on July 27, 2014, 02:46:39 pm
Post by: alway on July 27, 2014, 03:02:08 pm
So are potions of descent (for decreasing level - cursed) worth it? Considering buying a farm and farming zombies for them (if they still drop them).From what I recall from this discussion when I last played (which, granted, was an entire year ago, so it may have changed since then), the overall mood was no, unless you were playing Elona, rather than Elona+. Reason being, things generally get harder with fame, not with levels.
You can do a little bit of cheesing with them in E+ to get skill points easier (as you apparently keep getting them, even if you hit a level before, then got bumped down), but even that is negligible. And since levels help with certain things (hp, mp, and a few other things), decreasing levels in E+ wouldn't be that big a gain, if it were even a gain at all.
In just plain Elona, it may be useful, since it does actually have some benefits (like lower tax).
Post by: Niveras on July 27, 2014, 03:44:29 pm
Breakfast is serioulsy overpowered in E+. You genetic engineer cooking onto your slaves(I think you only need to do one cause the same one cooks) and if you go sleep and wake up between morning and noon (not 100%) the pet wth the highest cooking makes breakfast. Everyone in the party gets an increase to attribute potential. This is a large increase even at low levels and the cooking levels fast. It did not take me long to get a pet to 20 cooking and all my attributes are between good and superb and level 49. They were all bad or worse before. It was a number of sleeps to get them up, but they stay up and my attributes go up faster. They supposedly go up for pets too, but doesn't look like as much.
What creatures can add cooking to a pet? The elona wiki didn't list any.
Post by: Ivefan on July 27, 2014, 03:47:27 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 27, 2014, 05:31:47 pm
And potions of descent aren't zombie drops anymore. At least, they are much more uncommon. Not really worth it. Taxes are much weaker than they were in Elona as they don't scale on fame anymore, just amount of gold on you.
Post by: alway on July 27, 2014, 08:58:49 pm
Post by: Niveras on July 28, 2014, 03:22:23 pm
The gene machine article on the wiki only mentioned the quest, but I thought I'd see one somewhere else... somewhere.
Post by: Henny on July 28, 2014, 03:32:25 pm
Are there any gene machines available for free prior to completing the 'capture little girls' quest, or wishing?I think they sometimes pop up in dungeons, but very rarely.
The gene machine article on the wiki only mentioned the quest, but I thought I'd see one somewhere else... somewhere.
Post by: Niveras on July 28, 2014, 07:09:18 pm
Maybe high level cooking can clear curse status from food, or faith skill auto-detects curses on non-equipment, or a pot of fusion faith/cooking skill that turns cursed food into some all-stat-but-weaker-than-high-level-non-adjusted-cooked food, or just expand sense quality to identify status on non-equipment.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 28, 2014, 08:44:02 pm
Are there any gene machines available for free prior to completing the 'capture little girls' quest, or wishing?There's definitely one in Melugas in South Tyris... which is super late, but you certainly CAN get there before doing the quest. Other than that, they do appear in dungeons sometimes.
The gene machine article on the wiki only mentioned the quest, but I thought I'd see one somewhere else... somewhere.
And I totally agree on cursed food. I have only ever gotten anorexia from being a lazy bum and eating all my farm products without a care, leading to mass vomiting.
Post by: Micro102 on July 28, 2014, 10:28:14 pm
Wtf?
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 28, 2014, 11:41:26 pm
Post by: snelg on July 29, 2014, 05:58:22 am
Are there any gene machines available for free prior to completing the 'capture little girls' quest, or wishing?I might have missed something but isn't the most obvious source for the gene machine this quest http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ambitious_Scientist (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ambitious_Scientist) (Port Kapul scientist)?
The gene machine article on the wiki only mentioned the quest, but I thought I'd see one somewhere else... somewhere.
Easier to do early since you don't kill all the lower level enemies in one hit. Apologies if there's a reason this is not an option.
Post by: kcwong on July 29, 2014, 08:52:45 am
Are there any gene machines available for free prior to completing the 'capture little girls' quest, or wishing?I might have missed something but isn't the most obvious source for the gene machine this quest http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ambitious_Scientist (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ambitious_Scientist) (Port Kapul scientist)?
The gene machine article on the wiki only mentioned the quest, but I thought I'd see one somewhere else... somewhere.
Easier to do early since you don't kill all the lower level enemies in one hit. Apologies if there's a reason this is not an option.
You can use potions of poison/dye to kill low level mobs, even when you are at the stage to one-shot them. Leave your pets in town/house, or put them on defensive mode, and have decent speed on yourself.
Post by: Niveras on July 29, 2014, 03:50:56 pm
Are there any gene machines available for free prior to completing the 'capture little girls' quest, or wishing?I might have missed something but isn't the most obvious source for the gene machine this quest http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ambitious_Scientist (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ambitious_Scientist) (Port Kapul scientist)?
The gene machine article on the wiki only mentioned the quest, but I thought I'd see one somewhere else... somewhere.
Easier to do early since you don't kill all the lower level enemies in one hit. Apologies if there's a reason this is not an option.
It looks like it was just me being stupid and confusing the quest. For some reason I thought the Ambitious Scientist quest involved capturing 5 little sisters, not 5 of anything.
Post by: SirAaronIII on July 29, 2014, 08:54:18 pm
By the way, if you've already gotten one before, you can get a gene machine from the little sister shop.
Post by: Micro102 on July 30, 2014, 02:25:56 am
...Redownload? All I got, sorry. Very weird.
I was afraid I would have to do that and lose my saves.... Now I'm even more afraid because after redownloading it's still broken. My selection seems accelerated, and my newly made characters are moving awkwardly... Does elona use specific registry keys or something? Because I can't think of why this is happening.
EDIT: **** everything.... I dragged my elona saves backup out of the recycling bin and then emptied it, but apparently when I dragged the folder out, all the files inside it left and stay inside the recycling bin? So now I lost my characters with hours put into them. **** **** ****
EDITEDIT: Yay for recovery software. Got my files back.
Post by: hachnslay on August 01, 2014, 10:45:40 am
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also: i am still using +1.19 what's the best upgrade path?
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 01, 2014, 10:55:11 am
Post by: hachnslay on August 02, 2014, 10:03:45 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Akura on August 02, 2014, 11:41:36 am
Huh, it's also edible(made of raw), so I wonder what eating it will cause.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 02, 2014, 02:06:14 pm
You know, I've never seen a living weapon before myself...
Post by: etgfrog on August 02, 2014, 04:07:46 pm
Post by: guessingo on August 02, 2014, 04:47:14 pm
the attribute gain is great.
Post by: Darkening Kaos on August 04, 2014, 09:17:32 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 04, 2014, 11:44:56 am
gardening herbs and using 'herb in' especially if you use a blessed potion of water on the item, always leads to state gains. I generally herb in stomafilia since i have more them. but experiemented iwth other items. I have gotten as many as 3 attributes for 1 eatng. now my potentials are all really high due to getting breakfast alot. i have a pet with cooking at 45 (this trains fast).Yup, "herb in" is really great, boosting literally every stat including speed. Never got my cooking high enough to use it, but stomafillia seems like a fine choice to put it on because it already boosts every stat slightly. I've heard fine things about breakfast but could never get it off the ground. Any tips for getting actual breakfast prompts? I always try to wake up between dawn and noon but never get any.
the attribute gain is great.
Darn, guess I really have to work on Control Magic so I can safely have pets out... and then I have to actually choose good pets... Any non-bell recommendations? I started a new character for 1.38R so now I'm only level 9. I don't quite have enough faith to get god pets yet but the Unknown Shell will really help with that. I'm thinking of getting the golden knight, exile, and/or black angel. Of course I'll aim to get them all one day, but I think these are the most useful.
Post by: Micro102 on August 04, 2014, 03:49:41 pm
Post by: Vorbicon on August 04, 2014, 06:15:34 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on August 04, 2014, 06:21:05 pm
What's recommended? Playing the original Elona or going with Elona+?
Elona+.
While Elona+ is officially just a mod for Elona, it's become the de facto continuation of Elona's development since Elona was abandoned. It fixes a lot of bugs that Elona had and adds a ludicrous amount of content without altering the game's core vision.
Post by: Bremen on August 05, 2014, 11:21:38 am
I'm really bad at Elona. Or at least I seem to not understand how to be good at combat in Elona. I start off fine, I can do the puppy cave and even the slime quest in Vernis eventually, though with difficulty, but once I get to the second or third tier of enemies I die constantly. I'm not sure if it's a matter of not grinding enough, bad equipment, or just picking a bad build, but it seems to happen every time I play. And then I see talk about getting to other continents and the endgame content and wonder how people even manage this. Most of my games end up with me just doing farming and delivery quests while avoiding any combat quests, random encounters, or dungeons with a level above 5.
So in the spirit of trying again, could anyone advise me on a good build to use and maybe some starting goals to aim for to become decently powerful? Assume I'm not interested in using the moongate trick for massive amounts of gold.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 05, 2014, 12:10:16 pm
I recommend Juere Claymore, as it starts off with a lot of the useful skills like Greater Evasion and Eye of Mind. You could just as easily change that to Warrior if you're more interested in heavy armor. (A bunch of the nicer things like seven league boots and cloaks of vindale, while not necessary, give a lot more DV than PV, so I've traditionally gone light.) Pianists are easy in the sense that you don't have to do anything, but you don't really gain much more skill from standing around and having a pet cut things up for you. Do you need any help on choosing feats?
Focus on getting a nice weapon and some armor. Try not to fight until you can fill all your body slots with good stuff, generally things of metal, steel, etc. If you feel really fancy, you can even go for stuff like chrome, titanium, emerald, diamond, or rubynus. Change material scrolls (get a big stack and bless them) will be a huge help here, making terrible gear actually usable. You may have to invest in a few magic stores before you can get a super huge 30+ stack.
Just do miscellaneous quests and use the platinum to learn all the essential skills. (Cooking, Gardening, Traveling, Investing, etc) Gold will also flow in quickly this way. In general, don't buy stuff from blacksmiths as it's pretty bad. If you see a gear reward of the type you want (breastplate, longsword, panties, etc) grab it and identify it. Even if it's not a good material, you can reroll it. Be on the lookout for large amounts of resistance (### or more) and stat boosts (any are fine, though of course the relevant stats would be better). Unfortunately, this stage of the game lasts pretty long.
Don't feel the need to use only named artifacts, whether they be static (<Unknown Shell> kind of thing) or random. If you have just normal stuff with good boosts, use it.
Be on the lookout for blessed potions of restore body/mind. If you drink them, you'll get a pretty sizable stat boost. They're basically free stats (though they wear off when you die) so get them whenever you can.
Save the legitimate static quests for later. They can be really tough depending on the whim of the RNG. Puppy Cave could be filled with kobolds (surprisingly powerful against newbies), and the slimes in The Mine are nothing to mess with.
Very importantly, DO NOT DIE... you will lose money and stats, which is super bad. Always know when to escape. The best way to avoid death is to not do dangerous things until you're way overleveled, but that's also boring as heck.
And keep at it! It's taken me about 140 hours to get to where I am now on my strongest character. (65 Elea Wizard in case anyone cares)
Post by: etgfrog on August 05, 2014, 01:09:43 pm
Post by: hachnslay on August 12, 2014, 03:57:46 pm
The more you play it the easier it gets. it has a similar skill curve as DF. You learn the required skills slowly, but need them quickly.
An example.
I am planning a golem character, because the only times i am killed it was because i somehow got dimmed.
Golems are the only way to not get dimmed. A golem has the downside of being very slow. to counteract that i would need to get lots of potions that add speed. these can be rarely gained from pots or traded in for medals. Luck increases that chance to get either.
to gain access to higher speed earlier, and not fall behind the curve of what speed i need to be reliable in combat i need to combat it by gaining luck earlier.
Therefore my current character is digging up whole forests for 4 leaf clovers and acorns.
Acorn - in large enough quantities - act almost like a permanent buff for luck: because they are very unfulfilling, weight 0.01,never rot and there exists a way to reliably gain them in large enough quantities you can bless a 10 stone stack (1000 pieces).
after creating a gene i still have to choose a race for my golem.
Since it's slow speed will make him vulnearable against fast enemies in the beginning i will want pets. Golem Pianist it is.
Once you have a nice source character consider preserving him or her for easy access to new characters. Even if you just want genes for other modes, like overdose.
Knowledge about certain monsters is also important, for example: Early bells can be killed by throwing a dye or poison at them. The splitting monsters in the underground area in vernis can be used to train for quite a bit - Just send your pet away, and hit the highest health ones without killing them. then leave the place. they will be in the last room and healed when you return. Hungry sea lions will eat food from your inventory - this includes caramel of termination.
if you find some new monster don't be afraid to look it up on the wiki.
I still like wearing "disturbs your Growth" equipment, because i remember the classic elona, where it was really useful.
now, since my main character is well equipped he has 2 "sucks blood of the wielder" # and ## rings for training healing and 2 "summons monsters" ####+ rings for training pets.
all in all i want 4 deeds of heirship to get my standard equipment and food on the next toon. i will usually do this by puppy cave diving. after taking out the thieves and training for a bit outside of vernis.
If you plan on having lots of pets consider getting the knockout feat. it gives you a move that will damage but not kill enemies, like false swipe in pokémon games ....
Post by: Micro102 on August 16, 2014, 04:31:34 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 16, 2014, 04:50:37 pm
Post by: Sergarr on August 16, 2014, 04:55:44 pm
Is there a point to the riding skill ever? I've tried it on so many characters but it always results in my guy just getting weaker and almost always slower.You can ride little girls. That alone makes it worth it ;D
Post by: etgfrog on August 16, 2014, 05:30:07 pm
Is there a point to the riding skill ever? I've tried it on so many characters but it always results in my guy just getting weaker and almost always slower.Try a horse(not a lame horse though), it will probably be slower then normal initially, however you will get higher and higher speed as the skill goes up. It will cap out at the speed cap of whatever mount your using but in elona+ it can go pretty high.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 16, 2014, 05:38:36 pm
Post by: Darkening Kaos on August 16, 2014, 07:36:11 pm
I currently have four and that feels like too many; one always gets lost through pathing issues and with two ranged, the two melee don't get close to anything unless its a target rich area. Getting rid of one of the ranged seems like the way to go at the moment.
Post by: Krath on August 16, 2014, 07:49:58 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 16, 2014, 08:03:21 pm
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Post by: SirAaronIII on August 16, 2014, 08:30:52 pm
Post by: MrWiggles on August 16, 2014, 08:44:32 pm
Post by: guessingo on August 17, 2014, 11:24:54 am
1. Riding: you take on the speed of your mount. Its a percentage of it based on your riding skill and if the mount is strong enough to carry your weight. So until riding is high enough you will be slower. You have to fight while mounted(magic doesn't work) to train riding. See wiki for best mounts. Don't use riding until you get a kaneda bike. Also, buff spells/heal spells buff and heal your mount. However, if you have a pet making breakfast, they dont get breakfast. so dismount before sleeping.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Riding
2. Pets: get bells. give them machine guns. Platina/Gold bells. they are level 1. There is a post at the bottom suggesting Gen Engineering for Bells to give skills. Best way to level pets is with Gen Engineering.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_pets
Best way to get Bells: Get Small medals and buy rod of domination from Girak (buying that little girl book is a waste). Here is a link to easy small medals:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Small_medal
You also get them from finishing dungeons
To find Bells:
-- go to puppy cave and stay on stairs
-- get rods of summon monster or summon monster spell. Bells are common summons when you are lower level. You tend to summon harder monsters as you level. Go up stairs if summons are too hard.
-- press 'l' then you can get a letter over each monster and can target. Use rod of domination. They are level 1 so easy to dominate.
-- arm with machine gun/bullet. Give them any rubynus type weapon/armor you can find. This gives 3 life. Bells only get 1 life. So this is important. Bells have damage resistance that levels as you level them. You wont find rubynus stuff early. I generally go pretty much all bells. I have 12 bells , 1 murder knight, 1 giraffe (mount) and mow through stuff. Adding a bunch of bells is a game changer.
Post by: guessingo on August 17, 2014, 12:00:26 pm
1. more pets = more wishes. you get a wish from drinking from fountain. very low chance. lots of pets leads to inevitible wishes eventually. First wish should be seven league boots, 2nd aurora ring, 3rd happy bed or barbeque whatever your missing, potition of potential (eventually you will get these in shops), then get astral light pens.
2. aggressive range: you will hear the gun fire and they will find mobs. makes hunter quests faster and less likely to have YASD cause you dont notice something and the fire is loud.
3. Very fast: when i do trading i load up with 1000 weight of goods. Lowers me to 10 speed on world map. Always hit rogue bosses. Like to use mist of frailness (lowers pv/dv) on rogue boss. since slow everything is usually dead before I move again. Note you have to manage your fame for this. Higher fame = harder bosses. You get blue capsule pills from rogue boss encounters that you use to get Kaneda Bike (see previous post) and goods to sell. Very profitable. Plus passes time faster, so useful if you have farm/ranch/gain salary.
4. Panic Quests Easier: get these at 30k fame. These are useful because its like a hunter quest in the town. Best in Palmia/Noyel due to Altar. Altar resets to neutral. So you convert and you get 5x normal amount when convert. Great for god hopping for items. Its hard to spot monsters in Palmia due to size and hallways. So most people due the altar and leave. Huge Fame hit so you can lose the panic quests. With bells they spot the mosts and make noise since aggressive and range. So much faster.
Downside:
1. get lots of aliens: lots of pets drinking = aliens. Keep dye,poison,sulfuric acid. give to pet to kill child. Low level bells with 1 life usually die from this. So do in town and resurrect. Cheap to ressurrect at low levels. as you get stronger and find rubynus equipment (raises life and hp), they don't die as much. so less hassle.
2. look the same: this is annoying. Pet interface is lousy. press 'i' change name to change names. I name based on what they do or have. One that does breakfast is called 'bell break', one that needs certain limbs/skills/eq, gets that name. Change image too. This is still hassle. Tag Organizaton lets you have 2 pets in 1 space. Easier to manage. Breaks when they die. They will die fairly often earlier because you can get to harder dungeons. losing them and ressurecting is more profitable, but a pain to redo tags.
3. game runs slower: due to their speed/teleporting. if you want to train spells, often better to tell t hem to wait at town. Also when you overload cargo and drop to speed 10 on world map. game runs a little slower. Kind of annoying. No reason to show on world map. I send back to town when i trian performance too since they slow the processing down since they get alot of turns for each one you do and the game moves them around.
4. Train Magic Control: I use a lich claymore, that is heavy on spells. Best way to train magic control is to blast area affect spells with lots of pets. if magic control is lower than your spell pets take damage. Not alot of cushion with bells due to low HP. This improves over time as you get them rubynus eq and they level wtih more damage reduction. During mid-game it gets to be too expensive to resurrect them, so i dont train this. One tip is to blast 1 area affect spell and gets its potential down low and keep it low to train magic control and not level it. Magic control is critical to area affect spells. Overcome over time. I just don't use it for a while.
I am level 62. My Bells range from level 35 to 49. Levelled with gene engineering. I also have 1 murder knight (unique in elona+ see wiki ) as tank, 1 giraffe as mount, 1 demon for my shop (see elona+ for best pets to put in shops), 1 rabbit (on ranch. used to train performance some) Just finished the main game and exploring South Tyris.
My build: started off melee fighter. Claymore is good fighter early. Low charisma so only 1 pet. Charisma is easy to level. So got more pets as charisma went up. Converted to Ekhetel for the charisma bonus mainly so i can get max pets (maxes at 75 charisma). Also since a mage, eventually was able to buy Domination spell from Mage guild so can dominate stronge rmobs and gene engineer to pets to level. i stockpiled my spell books for a while. started reading easy ones. Identiified them to look for blessed ones. Always used scroll of knowledge (before could cast lots of knowledge spells) raised learning so easier to read.
now I wear medium armor and carry dagger. My cast success maxes at 92%.
got the tip for lich claymore on here. Very good build. Just need to build up charisma since it starts low.
Post by: Akura on August 17, 2014, 12:09:45 pm
Post by: Bouchart on August 17, 2014, 12:59:02 pm
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on August 17, 2014, 01:04:24 pm
So the best way to clear the hordes of hell is to strap guns to bells? Sounds perfectly reasonable.
It really is. Or quicklings. Anything with high speed and a ranged slot. Just be aware that magic will always rekt these kinds of creatures that rely on not getting hit.
Post by: EuchreJack on August 17, 2014, 02:47:02 pm
So the best way to clear the hordes of hell is to strap guns to bells? Sounds perfectly reasonable.
It really is. Or quicklings. Anything with high speed and a ranged slot. Just be aware that magic will always rekt these kinds of creatures that rely on not getting hit.
They recently gave magic a chance to miss.
Post by: Patchy on August 18, 2014, 07:02:06 pm
Post by: guessingo on August 18, 2014, 07:40:40 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 18, 2014, 07:46:47 pm
They recently gave magic a chance to miss.Do you remember when this was? I've always been a wizard and don't seem to miss at all despite having read that I can sometimes miss. The only thing I've noticed is the reduced damage from being too far away, and even that is easy to solve (wade up next to them and then shoot them.)
Post by: Micro102 on August 18, 2014, 08:34:24 pm
Post by: Patchy on August 18, 2014, 08:37:40 pm
Post by: Micro102 on August 19, 2014, 12:21:30 am
Perhaps you have too much cargo? I don't remember the specifics of riding's bonus/penalties, but the cargo might be something to check. Or perhaps you equipped something with a severe malus to your riding skill.
Negative to both. Oddly enough, I think that it was fine but then I got off the horse, tried giving it an amulet, took the amulet back, then got back ont he horse and it hit 10 speed.
Post by: guessingo on August 22, 2014, 06:44:37 am
Post by: dwarf_reform on August 22, 2014, 11:06:20 pm
Are any of the other popular mods active (and english-based)?? I haven't dug into the other versions because I figure they've got less content than +..
Post by: Micro102 on August 23, 2014, 12:01:44 am
Go to a healer. Horse probably got stat drained. May be cheaper to buy a new one.
Like I said I bought a Noyel horse and it was also 10. Healer didn't work either. Is there and equation I can use to see the horses weight limit?
Post by: kcwong on August 23, 2014, 12:11:00 am
Go to a healer. Horse probably got stat drained. May be cheaper to buy a new one.
Like I said I bought a Noyel horse and it was also 10. Healer didn't work either. Is there and equation I can use to see the horses weight limit?
IIRC NPC services don't have a 100% success chance... you need to either use the 10k service, or better use the gene machine and add a weak monster (like a slime) so you can check the stats.
I think the AI knows when to use a potion of restore body, so you can try giving it one.
Or just buy/capture another horse to test.
Post by: Micro102 on August 23, 2014, 12:29:23 am
Post by: Darkening Kaos on August 23, 2014, 12:43:33 am
Weight does not appear to be a factor in the mount's speed.
(cHorseBit determines if the ally is mountable, ie bells are not)
Using Tyrannosaurus as an example and solving for required Riding score:
Riding = (MountSpeed - MountStrength * 1.5) / 2 = (208 - 105) / 2 = 52 (rounded)
Post by: Micro102 on August 23, 2014, 01:08:19 am
Anyway, it is a pointless equation to apply here, as I had no problem riding both these horses at SOME point. Something changed that made me unable to ride them properly and I cannot figure out what it is.
Post by: Darkening Kaos on August 23, 2014, 01:12:39 am
Have you equipped an item that lowers your riding skill?
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 23, 2014, 01:43:22 am
Irritating that this great game gets so little translated devotion, or that the Elona+ team can't seem to find a good translator.. I'd be more than willing to do it if I knew more languages than sub-par english ;)I feel the same way. I mean, if you go on the cutscenes page on the wikia, there are so many scenes and characters we'll never get to see like the extremist <Harion> and the blue wind of Ros Lier/Rozuria <Alfredo/Alfred> and the rest. I only know those two exist because of Google Translate. Plus there are some questgivers that are also part of the storyline; I think it's just Orville (underground passage vs. Juere quest) and Milis (kill Eulderna quest).
Are any of the other popular mods active (and english-based)?? I haven't dug into the other versions because I figure they've got less content than +..
As for other mods, the only others I've heard of are orehack and Enhanced Love Miracle, neither of which are as fleshed out as E+. Basically + is probably the best bet right now.
Post by: Micro102 on August 23, 2014, 03:09:36 am
Post by: kcwong on August 23, 2014, 10:26:00 pm
Figured it out! The version of Elona+ I am using has an option to tell the horse to not pick up items, and if you select it, the speed lowers to 10. For some reason.
:o
Congratulations on finding the cause... that's not an easy thing to find. ;)
But that looks like a bug... older versions don't have that problem.
Post by: ejseto on August 24, 2014, 12:04:02 am
Figured it out! The version of Elona+ I am using has an option to tell the horse to not pick up items, and if you select it, the speed lowers to 10. For some reason.
I think that's a mistranslation. I think what the 2nd option actually means is the horse is riding you.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 24, 2014, 12:24:29 am
Post by: etgfrog on August 24, 2014, 12:52:59 am
Post by: guessingo on August 24, 2014, 01:28:57 pm
Does anyone know if I can get potions of descent at shops if I raise Investment enough? Want to lower levels of pets and get a gem farm going. I raised my bells levels so i can fight higher dungeons. Forgot that its alot more expensive to train potentials. If I can get enough of them, I think we can abuse this... by using gene engineering to level. When you do this they gain attributes, then lower the level back down and repeat.
This could be an invaluable way to get a pets cooking really high. Cooking allows pets to make breakfast if you wake up in the morning. Its a game changer. This trains attribute potentials.
Has anyone done experimenting with the elona+ god gifts (bottom of this page). They all have large negatives. They look like they are used for creative ways to train really fast.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods
Here are some posted on the forums. I posted a few (i never made an account). At the bottom you will find the items with links to their pages.
1. Aureate Constricter: (Yacatect of Wealth): lowers negotation. See forum. This doesn't affect the price of trade goods. As you raise negotation, you have to spend more good to train. So use it at the traders. Way to radically increase negotiation fast. I am doing this right now. I posted in the forum on this page.
Stealth Negative: Not known how to train this.
2. Wheel of Fortune (Luck God): Reduces Magical Control: So must want to hit pets for some reason. Maybe used to train pets healing? Not sure.
3. Fetter of Earth (Opatos): speed negative. good for training weight lifting. 12 hours if you rest once. Outside for passing time very quickly. have not tried. Also useful for lowering speed to get AP. In R1.38 your relative speed is a factor in getting AP (look up AP in forum if you dont know what it is). Its mainly gained at high levels.
4. he <Green god thorn> (Kumiromi Farming): Radically lowers healing and medication. I think you can use this to perma-train mana and healing. Cast a couple spells. lower just a little. Quaff a potion of dye, sulfuric, poison, etc.. take a little damage. In the past I would go around slightly overweight to train healing. Had some YASDs doing this. Anyone try this? You can just take it off if you get in a fight.
5. The <Magic Canceler> (Magic) Lowers magic and casting: Use posted. Train Magic Capacity. I did this by fighting a mosnter with touch of weakness and having it drain my wil and magic to 1. See my post here. Trained magic capacity really fast.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Capacity
Other use could be for summoning low level monsters. If summoning is buffed with magic (spells use different attributes) you could use this or a rod of summoning to summon low level monsters to recruit as pets such as bells. Also may be useful for summoning a hunger demon and sandbagging it. thought about doing that on a ranch with Wealth or Farming God Pet. These pets can be bread and when they eat they produce platinum/seeds so if I can keep them hungry, it may get me alot more. Also might be useful on another property with a well. So pets are always hungry, then drink well and I get more wishes (plus more aliens, so id probably want alien proof armor). Not tested yet.
Possibly other uses.
6. he <Tempest coller> (luly of Wind): Lowers Evasion/Greater Evasion: Could be useful to train armor. I think armor gets trained when you are hit. Needs testing.
7. The <Mechanical binder> (Mani the machine): Lowers marksman/tactics: PRobably useful for training. so stuff doesn't die. Also useful for a mage since its a bonus 150 PV and you dont care about those skills.
8, <Sasumata> (Jure) Reduces damage bonus: Probably in combination with #7.
The one I have absolutely no idea on is the stealth reduction. Given the pattern there has to be a reason for it. Maybe training pickpocketing?
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 24, 2014, 01:42:34 pm
There's been a bit of discussion about those god items on here, just search the thread. I think we basically came up with the same ideas you did.
Post by: guessingo on August 24, 2014, 03:01:18 pm
Also, anyone understanding tagging pets? I know it puts two pets together. The value to me is less space so they can get into combat, with fast pets they process alot more turns than you so makes the game run slower, bundling them speeds this up. I just tagged 2 Bells of Emergence with dual wield and special weapons. Seriously badass. They kill fast and killing fast means less risk. But there is also 'force tag'. I saw a reference on the wiki about getting AP? but wasn't clear.
Anyone know the best way to get potions of descent? I think I saw 1 in a potion shop once. I have 1 potion shop at 600 investing and I don't see them showing up. I need to lower the levels of my pets so its cheaper to train. I levelled them so I can take on harder dungeons. I didn't notice its alot more expensive to train their skills. Also, I think this can be abused with gene engineering. You tend to gain attributes when you level depending on the monster merged and your potentials. So level-> descent, repeat. Anyway to get alot of these? I finished the main quest? I am level 69 with magic. So Im fairly strong. I can hit level 100 dungeons, but tend to lose bells.
Post by: guessingo on August 24, 2014, 03:03:10 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 24, 2014, 03:22:10 pm
RE: Descent, they used to drop from zombies but I think the chances were extremely lowered or removed altogether. I've never seen any in shops at rank 200 and only ever got one from random drops/pickups.
RE: Fame, my max plat was 3. Fame gain is really REALLY slow, yeah. There aren't really any better ways to raise it. Difficulty, I dunno.
Post by: guessingo on August 24, 2014, 03:31:09 pm
Am I reading this correctly about shops?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Negotiation
I punched the pet and PC negotiation formulas into a spreadsheet. For similiar negotiation levels you get better prices. However, I think your sell price caps at 50%, but pets prices cap at 128%. I am not sure if this is accurate for weapons/armor since the wiki implies the formulas don't work for them. Pets don't cross the 50% sell price threshold until 291 negotiation.
Demon: 90 negotiaton: 28.8%
PC: 90 Negotiation: 45.5%.
This doesn't even appear to be close. However, the wiki is hard to follow. This doesn't include weapons/armor right? So those are still worth dropping at a shop?
Aliens: If I give a bad potion to an NPC and he drinks it and kills the alien,then gets it again... he won't take it. Do I need pickpocket for this? to give him the item? Or do i mix it with some type of food?
Post by: Ivefan on August 24, 2014, 10:54:30 pm
Post by: kcwong on August 25, 2014, 09:00:04 am
You can throw most kinds of potions on them for the same effect
Won't they consider it an attack?
Post by: Ivefan on August 25, 2014, 09:04:09 am
I think that alcohol and dyes work. Perhaps cursed
Post by: kcwong on August 25, 2014, 11:13:36 am
You can use the Give option to hand them dye/poison. They will use it if they are pregnant. But they will not take unidentified ones, and if they are not really pregnant, they will just keep your identified potion.
I *think* you take karma hit for damaging them all the same, and if they die then even more karma hit.
Post by: Patchy on August 25, 2014, 03:23:10 pm
Fame and Jobs: As I raise fame I get better jobs. So far the max plat I get is 3. I am at 65k fame. I was at 4k, but 1 death and damn. I am seeing a VERY slow improvement in jobs with fame. So it takes alot to raise fame. Do you ever get more than 3 plat? When will i see jobs at more than $17? Any good ways to jack up fame? Even doing dungeons only adds a little. Possibly accusing werewolf. I dont care about the tax or the rogue bosses. I can handle them easily.
I've found that having a strong enough pet to easily win in the arena is the fastest way to gain fame. There is no cooldown for consecutive pet arena matches, and you gain 100ish if I recall every time you win. If you get your pet to the point that it minces anything the arena will throw at you (generally monsters in the lvl 50-70 range), you got a reasonably quick fame generator.
Post by: guessingo on August 25, 2014, 07:41:48 pm
You now get 500 fame with the 'are you a werewolf dialogue' if you can go 'this person is a werewolf'
Post by: guessingo on August 25, 2014, 10:49:23 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Powergamer%27s_guide
I changed my speed ring to 'diamond' and the price dropped to 1 gold.
is that really 1 gold. or is it rounding? Not sure if its a variable issue? anyone know? It should sell for alot more than that. I have not sold it. I am just checking prices.
Post by: Niveras on August 26, 2014, 04:35:06 am
Post by: guessingo on August 26, 2014, 07:32:00 am
Post by: guessingo on August 26, 2014, 07:36:25 am
Post by: Blaze on August 26, 2014, 08:06:27 am
Post by: Sergarr on August 26, 2014, 08:55:42 am
Overflow error. The max sale price possible is 65535, it wraps around to 1 once an item's price goes above that. Directly selling to stores nets an obligatory 50% penalty that can't be mitigated by negotiation.65535? Man they were really trying to save some memory here.
Post by: dwarf_reform on August 26, 2014, 05:19:49 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 26, 2014, 05:57:10 pm
And I'm 99% sure they don't. See if you can return, stuff it in a cooler box, or use antiseptic just to be safe though.
Post by: guessingo on August 26, 2014, 07:58:20 pm
Overflow error. The max sale price possible is 65535, it wraps around to 1 once an item's price goes above that. Directly selling to stores nets an obligatory 50% penalty that can't be mitigated by negotiation.65535? Man they were really trying to save some memory here.
I was using this wiki post. Do you know if the overflow error happens in the players shop as well? Since at the shop in town you are only getting 5% of a weapon/armors price. However, with a demon, I get 28.8%, so the sale price would almost 6x higher...
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Powergamer%27s_guide
Post by: guessingo on August 26, 2014, 08:13:32 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 26, 2014, 08:13:56 pm
Post by: guessingo on August 27, 2014, 11:10:10 am
Post by: ejseto on August 29, 2014, 01:08:10 am
Overflow error. The max sale price possible is 65535, it wraps around to 1 once an item's price goes above that. Directly selling to stores nets an obligatory 50% penalty that can't be mitigated by negotiation.
It works both ways. Just bought a godly speed ring off Moyer for 1gp. He also had a miracle speed ring for 1.9 million.
Post by: guessingo on August 29, 2014, 11:47:13 am
there is a new option at mirak and gorals. one of them lets me buy stuff with small medals.the other one has some options with weapons. i dont know what it did. it renamed a the special stave you get for finishing the main quest of Act 1, but didnt seem to have any other affect ? any idea what this this one does? it gives the option of 'i have small medals to spend', but i didnt spend any.,
the name of the item is now 'the no name '
with all the sapces. no other noticeable changes. i when i look at page 2 i see a bunch of 'no data'
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 31, 2014, 07:07:40 pm
In other news, Elona+ 1.39 dropped sometime earlier. Here's (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:13893) the wikia discussion. Some stuff I managed to understand through the Google translated version:
- Magic damage doesn't drop off with range anymore. Basically it's just like before. A pretty big buff.
- Some kind of skills that make everybody in your party shoot magic bolts at once?
- Something to do with custom race names. Must have been some error because you get 3 race name-changing items at your feet.
- Bigger winning streak bonuses at 100, 200, and 300 (max) for pet arena
- You know those jewel cores of Nefia? You don't need scrolls of gain attribute to use them, and the limit that you can use has been increased.
- I think it says that trader shops eventually get more stock when you buy from them.
Post by: guessingo on September 01, 2014, 12:24:54 pm
I'd like to start discussing 'super training'/ways to make lots of gold, etc... that you have found in the game. Going to reference a few things so this thread doesn't get too long
1. how to train with the new elona+ god items that lower attributes. i dont know how to take advantage of reduction in stealth yet.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.3885
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PICKPOCKET(BY FAR BEST WAY TO TRAIN)
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Magic Capacity
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Magic Control
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Making Gold
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Post by: Ivefan on September 01, 2014, 02:01:19 pm
Though I wonder about the new thinly veiled sleep event with a pet. no idea what it does.
Post by: Mictlantecuhtli on September 02, 2014, 10:22:37 am
Making GoldSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Panty mongering.. hmm..
Post by: guessingo on September 02, 2014, 08:06:26 pm
Making GoldSpoiler (click to show/hide)
Panty mongering.. hmm..
There is no way to get more by wearing them first.
Post by: Ogdibus on September 02, 2014, 10:49:31 pm
Post by: guessingo on September 03, 2014, 08:28:02 pm
Post by: Ogdibus on September 03, 2014, 11:21:15 pm
Post by: hachnslay on September 05, 2014, 12:14:10 pm
I am more of a planner, while most other people around here try to break the game as hard as possible...
At least there aren't any speedruns yet.
Post by: Sergarr on September 05, 2014, 12:42:15 pm
According to the sugestions in the various LP threads and the actual LPs on Youtube playstyles vary extremely.A speedrun of a game with so many random things would be pretty hard to do.
I am more of a planner, while most other people around here try to break the game as hard as possible...
At least there aren't any speedruns yet.
Post by: hachnslay on September 05, 2014, 01:38:22 pm
Post by: Ivefan on September 05, 2014, 01:48:32 pm
I am more of a planner, while most other people around here try to break the game as hard as possible...So... you aren't planning out how to break the game as hard as possible?
Does not seem like there's much planning needed if you aren't exploiting the system.
Post by: Patchy on September 05, 2014, 01:54:13 pm
http://elona.squares.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5314
Post by: hachnslay on September 05, 2014, 02:16:44 pm
There are three types of speedruns.
1: least ingame time.
2: Least real world time.
3: least turns used.
... i think i'll try the third.
Post by: Patchy on September 05, 2014, 02:31:36 pm
Post by: Ivefan on September 06, 2014, 03:04:41 pm
Post by: hachnslay on September 08, 2014, 11:08:44 am
With my new char I went and got a pet with cooking, but so far I have only received breakfast once. So are there any other requirements other than waking up in the morning?be best friends?
Quote from: the changelog for version 1.24:
Fixed breakfast event so it would not still trigger for pets that were lower than Best Friend relationship.
Post by: guessingo on September 08, 2014, 11:58:11 pm
Post by: guessingo on September 09, 2014, 12:01:54 am
According to the sugestions in the various LP threads and the actual LPs on Youtube playstyles vary extremely.
I am more of a planner, while most other people around here try to break the game as hard as possible...
At least there aren't any speedruns yet.
By the time you are in act two you will have all the skills so its not that different. Basically magic pawns everything by then, plus you get pets you can ride and have 400 speed.
Post by: Ivefan on September 09, 2014, 11:45:25 am
Post by: pisskop on September 09, 2014, 11:54:55 am
Post by: hachnslay on September 10, 2014, 12:20:45 pm
Looked at this game. Reminded me of expanded nethack with a graphcs pack..a japanized extended nethack with a graphics pack and no permadeath.
Post by: Tarran on September 10, 2014, 05:42:07 pm
Post by: Ivefan on September 13, 2014, 05:56:13 am
Say that I have a lot of literacy bonus from items, that would mean i can read harder books and fail less. but at the same time, would it mean that I get less xp per book?
Though, I do not know if there's more xp for a hard book than an easy one, or if it's only depending on the turns it takes to read one.
Also, Magic arrow is standard, but i thought i'd get one more arrow spell, but at the moment it seems that the damage would be the same and that it would just be a question on what effect I'd like it to have. Or which resistance is the rarest.
At face value it seems that nerve or nether would be the best ones to pick, Though i do not know how common it is for monsters to be immune to paralysis.
Post by: chaoticag on September 13, 2014, 06:37:06 am
Post by: Ivefan on September 13, 2014, 08:52:07 am
Post by: hachnslay on September 13, 2014, 05:59:06 pm
Also, Magic arrow is standard, but i thought i'd get one more arrow spell, but at the moment it seems that the damage would be the same and that it would just be a question on what effect I'd like it to have. Or which resistance is the rarest.I would go with:
At face value it seems that nerve or nether would be the best ones to pick, Though i do not know how common it is for monsters to be immune to paralysis.
Dark Arrow - while there is lots of resistance against it it gives the blind debuff. therefore it is really useful to improve your survival chance against non magic attackers.
Chaos - all status effects. Dim, stunned, blind, drunk - but rather difficult to read books of iirc.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 13, 2014, 07:23:11 pm
Darkness: Blinds. Very VERY helpful against ranged attackers, moderately helpful against melee.
Nerve: Paralyzes. My personal favorite. Not everything will always be paralyzed obviously.
Nether: Heals you. I think nether resistance is a little more common, but then again everything starts getting resistances to everything.
Chaos: Blinds, paralyzes, poisons, sleeps, and confuses (no dim/drunk, that's probably insanity/unsteady he's referring to). Hardest to read, but same damage scaling.
All of those resistances get lowered by Nightmare, so definitely learn that too.
Post by: Ivefan on September 14, 2014, 12:49:05 am
According to the wiki, only nether arrow has a different damage calculation so that means they all have the same damage.
Chaos seems a bit too random and one have to take care around spellcasters so they do not summon more.
I guess it boils down to wether blind is harder to resist, less immunes or hex for longer.
Spellcost might come into consideration but it no big difference and its better to not to be cheap.
Now i've gotten to 40 faith, im going to try for the god grind items. Correct me if im wrong, but i'll have to summon the god to the truce grounds or wish for a god. no other way, yes? If I summon one at the truce grounds, does it only stay around for a month or for the whole year and does it cost faith points to summon so I'll have to sacrifice more before I can get the item?
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 14, 2014, 12:58:02 am
Yes, you'll have to summon them. I think you can only summon with more than 4k faith so if you just prayed for the final gift, you have to sacrifice a bit more to get past 4k again. Not sure, consult wikia discussion if needed.
Post by: Ivefan on September 14, 2014, 01:10:06 am
I'm also fairly sure the different non-magic-dart arrow spells have the same costs (except chaos).Now that I am back by the computer i could check and at low level its 8 for nether and 10 for the others. chaos is slightly harder to cast but that shouldn't matter as one gets 100% soon anyway.
I think you can only summon with more than 4k faith so if you just prayed for the final gift, you have to sacrifice a bit more to get past 4k again. Not sure, consult wikia discussion if needed.Yes, one needs the same faith as for the god weapon to summon, But I couldn't find if it costs faith to summon or not, which was what I asked. And do they stay around only until one exit the area, until November is over or until next November, which is when one can summon another god.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 14, 2014, 07:35:48 pm
For summoning, you could always wizard mode and test it out. Sorry, I don't know anything.
Post by: guessingo on September 15, 2014, 12:47:29 am
You can summon 1 god per year. So to get all items you meed 7 game years.
Post by: guessingo on September 15, 2014, 12:49:23 am
Dropping in here real quick, but wondering whether elona+ ever got an English translation? Seemed like it added a lot of features, but language barriers are an issue.
You will need to check the wiki to see what npcs are saying. Its not translated. Wiki tells you what it means.
Post by: kcwong on September 15, 2014, 08:23:58 am
Post by: Singularity125 on September 16, 2014, 04:55:53 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/FaQ4VaR.png)
He's a level 27 magey-type, as you can see. I haven't started the main quest yet because I'm hell-bent on getting the King of Palmia's card and figurine. (Naturally, I have no clue how I'm going to manage that one...) I recently found my second blue capsule from the rogues, and it's towards the end of november in my game. So, I'm hopelessly trying to scum a third one up in time to get the Kaneda Bike but I'm having no luck so far.
That said, I could try to be productive and at least do some trading as I go. It's probably better to wait until next year. If I'm not mistaken there are only three penalties for wasting time...
1. More bills to pay. However, right now my salary exceeds my taxes, so ironically this would help me make money.
2. The etherwind. I have a decent stockpile of cure corruption potions though.
3. Ranks degrading in the arena and such. If I put the effort in it won't be too hard to maintain those.
So unless I'm missing something, it's totally fine to spend an entire game year screwing around with trading, hoping for rogues to show up?
Post by: somebody on September 16, 2014, 05:27:31 pm
getting the King of Palmia's card and figurine.That's easy, just heavy burden yourself and get the need sleep status and then just wait in Palmia, the random assassination event will get him sooner or later.
But you will probably want to do backspace enter to reset Palmia afterwards because a lot of the NPCs will be dead.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 16, 2014, 05:49:42 pm
There's nothing that comes from hanging around that you didn't mention. Favor will decay but you can counter that easily. Keep in mind the taxes will increase if you have more gold on your person.
Post by: guessingo on September 18, 2014, 07:21:07 am
Post by: Singularity125 on September 19, 2014, 12:47:14 pm
In any case, does anyone have advice on raising some good pets? I've always been a solo character but I seem to be hitting the limits of what I can do with that, at least without way too much grinding. Course, I know that pets take grinding too, but ever since learning of and starting to abuse breakfast, they've convinced me to give them another chance. :P
Post by: guessingo on September 19, 2014, 06:27:50 pm
Go to puppy cave. Stay on stairs. Cast summon monsyer or use staves. Dominate them. Give them machine guns. As you find rubynus eq give it to them raises hp.
Summon monsters is based on your level your low enough to still get bells frequently.
Leave cave if summons too hard. Bells are game changers. Only pet you need for a while.
Next tip. When you have bells... Go to a cleared static dungeon, like thequest dungeons. Summon until hunger demon comes. Leave. Send pets back to town. Kill everything other than hunger demon. Go here wen you have a stack of food to eat for easy training.
Post by: kcwong on September 19, 2014, 10:41:06 pm
Go to a cleared static dungeon, like thequest dungeons. Summon until hunger demon comes. Leave. Send pets back to town. Kill everything other than hunger demon. Go here wen you have a stack of food to eat for easy training.
Ohhh nice one, why I have never thought of that. ;D
Post by: guessingo on September 20, 2014, 10:23:17 am
Post by: Ivefan on September 20, 2014, 03:12:08 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 20, 2014, 04:12:37 pm
And as it turns out the king's card and figure had less of an impact on my museum rank than I would have thought. Ah well, I have bragging rights or something. Now I'm cheerfully stomping through the Act 1 main quest stuff. :D
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 20, 2014, 04:58:04 pm
Now go for <Whom dwell in the vanity>!!!
Post by: Sergarr on September 20, 2014, 05:02:54 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 20, 2014, 05:41:22 pm
Edit:
Spoiler: "Bastard Stillness" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Flying Dice on September 20, 2014, 06:32:29 pm
o-o
Post by: Lukewarm on September 20, 2014, 10:09:23 pm
Post by: kcwong on September 20, 2014, 10:59:57 pm
"It makes it impossible to remote blow."
o-o
I'm guessing that's the Engrish way of saying "long ranged melee attack".
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 20, 2014, 11:37:45 pm
When I fought Mr. White Eagle of Zanan, it looked like the chance of actually ragnarocking was actually really low. Either that or it works like an invoke and thus only triggers on a successful hit, which he couldn't get off because 1. I was kiting like a lich and 2. my DV is pretty high. He's just a big tank if you don't let him near you... just like Zeome.
In other news, guessingo, I made a wizard mode character to see if you can summon two gods in the same November. Stand by for more info. Raising stats and skills to an acceptable level is really tedious even with infinite wishes AND on overdose mode.
Post by: Ivefan on September 21, 2014, 01:32:02 am
In other news, guessingo, I made a wizard mode character to see if you can summon two gods in the same November. Stand by for more info. Raising stats and skills to an acceptable level is really tedious even with infinite wishes AND on overdose mode.Cheat engine is your friend.
Post by: guessingo on September 21, 2014, 05:36:06 pm
i dont know how to get rid of this.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 21, 2014, 07:00:37 pm
Post by: Blaze on September 21, 2014, 08:17:41 pm
Every day that passes reduces the counter by one.
Dying reduces the counter by one.
When the anorexia counter reaches a certain threshold, you'll develop anorexia.
Once the counter is reduced below that threshold, you'll lose anorexia, but you can easily redevelop it by vomiting.
Eating with anorexia causes you to vomit, thus you don't want to do that.
Remember that dying in hunting quests now drops your Charisma and Willpower stats.
You can curb starvation by drinking potions and eating snow from snowy areas ("g"et on an empty snow tile).
Post by: guessingo on September 22, 2014, 06:22:22 am
Post by: guessingo on September 22, 2014, 06:33:15 am
Post by: Ivefan on September 22, 2014, 09:24:17 am
I guess black market and maybe the guy in noyel would get some quite interesting stuff. The magic shop might more reliably bring out potentials or flying scrolls perhaps.
Post by: guessingo on September 22, 2014, 11:14:33 pm
Does anyone know what causes vomitting. I died regularly, anorexia cleared. Dying in hunting quest did NOT clear it. It came right back. I did this several times. Now I am vomitting again sometimes. I havenot eaten any cursed food or quaffed poison or anything that would make me vomit. Not eaten any zombies/liches etc or rotten food. I don't get it.
I am wondering if eating too many herbs and/or quaffing potions of potential can cause vomitting. I find when i eat alot of stomafilia and quaff alot of potions of potential I vomit. This info is not on the wiki. So if it happens it won't be there.
btw, quaffing potions potions trains both alchemy and magical device. I believe the wiki only says magical device. This extends to anything you quaff including snow you gather in Noyel. 45 alchemy and you can craft potions of potential. Snow is unlimited and satiates you (though not completely) so this is an easy way to get to craft them without alot of effort.
Post by: Blaze on September 22, 2014, 11:27:02 pm
One effect of getting drunk is random vomiting.
It could be the Sickness effect, but that should be plainly listed (and be cured on death).
Post by: guessingo on September 23, 2014, 05:55:21 am
Post by: Singularity125 on September 23, 2014, 11:02:38 am
Post by: aenri on September 23, 2014, 11:35:35 am
there's nothing stopping you from drinking until you vomit.
Just like the real life!
Post by: guessingo on September 23, 2014, 11:12:31 pm
Post by: Singularity125 on September 24, 2014, 11:53:23 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 24, 2014, 02:44:50 pm
Post by: Carnwennan on September 24, 2014, 03:12:50 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 24, 2014, 03:38:19 pm
I feel a lot more free to hand them off to Pael now. I dunno why I even bother hoarding them; I play an Elea and I basically never take off my cloak of vindale in addition to the usual etherwind avoidance, so I only get corrupted about once or twice an in-game year.
Post by: Ogdibus on September 24, 2014, 04:04:15 pm
If nobody knows, I'll try it out sometime soon. I'm thinking of doing a mutant character that keeps some of the better slot removing effects, like feathers.
Post by: guessingo on September 24, 2014, 05:20:11 pm
I can confirm that you can indeed get repeats of god gifts. You're allowed to get another god pet, but I forget what they replace the jewel and weapon with. I think a treasure map is involved somewhere.
No I got all 3 god gifts again for jure. Same ones I got the first time. I have a hunch on this. You can do all the god gifts once per act. I think the acts reset. My reasoning for this has to do with pets cooking breakfast. I had a bell that did all my breakfast in act one. He always cooked and his cooking skill increased quickly. Finished Act 1. Started act 2. Slept and then a different pet was cooking breakfast. What happened? I had assumed that the game picked the pet with the highest cooking. This other pet even though he had really high cooking always did cooking. Sent him to town. Did a again. Another pet did breakfast and NOT the one with the high cooking. 3rd test, sent all pets to town other then the one with cooking. He made breakfast. Called pets back. Guess who cooked? The first pet who made breakfast in act.
They store the pet that cooks in a variable. After the act its cleared. Doesn't take into account cooking skill. My pet with high cooking is too valuable. So I dismissed this other pet. Sent all other pets to town got breakfast. Then my pet with high cooking cooked breakfast each time after that. In act 3, I sent pets back t town and just had my pet with high cooking with me to make sure he got breakfast.
I think the game resets each act OR it resets after Act 1 which was the original game. So acts 2 and 3 don't reset. I don't know. I did jure in act 1.
Post by: guessingo on September 24, 2014, 05:26:23 pm
My fame is over 250k now and was 70k before. So some things of note
1. fame you get from doing quests./pet arena/dungeons goes down ALOT as fame goes up. I get 3 fame for a win in arena when i start my streak, win 100 is 15. I get 10-20 fame for quests.
2. highest quest levels so far 35$. Challenge/panic quests. These go to 15k gold. More importantly up to 10 plat. range seems to be 3-10k.
3. I get up to 5 seeds from harvest quests. I know you can delivery up to triple the required amount to get more. But I think I got 2-3 seeds at lower fame.
4. I think they lowered gold rewards for hunter quests. I think in 1.38R at 40-50k fame I got up to 20k gold for hunter quests. Now they dont go higher than 7k or so even at high fame.
I have a hunch this signals a re-write of fame. They made it really easy for pet with good pets to get tons of fame. Yet fame rewards for standard things go down to virtually nothing to make it really hard to gain fame. That doesn't make sense long term. I think they are doing a change. High fame for better jobs and plat. Only consequence now is more taxes (which dont matter at high levels) and harder bosses (which dont matter at high levels due to pet and character badassness). I believe in the original game that high fame lead to harder encounters so you had to balance it out. I would think they are going to do stuff to make high fame help and be dangerous in the future. I think its a good idea for late game play.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 24, 2014, 06:21:38 pm
Regarding fame, there was definitely already some kind of diminishing returns. Quests gave around 30 fame at 50k fame, so it definitely gets tougher. How much can you get from clearing a dungeon? Do you know if a higher DL dungeon gives more? I'd guess so but it doesn't hurt to be sure.
Post by: Singularity125 on September 24, 2014, 09:12:39 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 24, 2014, 09:29:36 pm
Post by: guessingo on September 25, 2014, 05:40:25 am
Did a 42$ panic. Some super high level bell of termination. The first one wiped my whole party.bately got away.
About god gifts. Looks they they changed it in general. Peope on wiki tried it a whole ago and then jordan one noticed it changed back.
There is a wiki page called powergamer thapt began from originial. He siggests doing kumiromi several times to het teasure of rejuvination. Mix that with fertilizer and a hunger demand n and you get massive herbs
Post by: guessingo on September 25, 2014, 05:56:47 am
Use small medals to get 2 rod of domination to get bell pets. The Hen all medals for scroll of growth bless and use. Hit dungeons. For easy ones dive for boss. Often has medals get in and out. Wish for seven league boots then all scrolls of grwoth. Do this until act 3. In act 3 you can trade sox for scrolls of growth.
For stats. Out came cooking on a pet. Go to sleep at night at quarter to midnight. Highest chance of breakfast. To get potions of potebtial. Get alchemy. Dont craft anything that's uses sap of yggdrasil. Its rare. To train. Get pot for fusion. Make fake gold out of junk items. Need 45 alchemy to get potions.
Can buy them in magic shops when invested to 150. But rare. You N house get several magic bendors. Invest them to 150 and in atleat 1 town have routine to chek alot. Shops refresh every 3 days. I put everytjing near palmia.i have like 40 potions of poptential and all mine are at superior permanently.
About fame in dungeons. You get more fame in high level dungeons, but less as fame goes up.you can get over 1000 fame for dungeons over 100.
Another tip. Get ragnarok sword. Its ffrom he who dwells in vernis. Wiki recommends killing him in party time quests the monsters spawn dont scale. So if you can beat them up nce you can always beat them. Get vindale cloak... Can be crafted with sewing. Go to high level dungeon. Clear it. Summon some monsters. Use sword. Set it off. Mobs are like level 90 dungeon, so if you are better than that it is easy. Its cyclops, ogres and dragons. So tons of heavy corpses. Scaled drops. Dragons drop alot of chests so high channces of small medals. The large number of heavy corpses makes god dwitching easy. This is a high level tip. Its alot of mobs spawned so its a dense pack of monsters to kill. Lots of drops ane the drops scale to dungeon level.
Post by: Singularity125 on September 25, 2014, 05:54:09 pm
Gonna give some of these a try when I get home.
Post by: guessingo on September 26, 2014, 06:17:10 pm
I found a very nice guide on reddit that has some good general tips: http://yy.reddit.com/r/Elona/comments/2au6a0/im_starting_over_im_writing_a_guide_here_for/
Gonna give some of these a try when I get home.
I also recommend going to this wiki and searching for powergamer. Another good guide. The elona community is small... Would be nice if we all talked in only 1 place.
Post by: Singularity125 on September 26, 2014, 09:44:37 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/bYxVBCY.png)
If I can keep this up, then perhaps I'll switch to dungeoning instead of the town quests. Both more fun and more lucrative at this stage of the game. Gotta start grinding up some AOE spells though... like, seriously.
Post by: Ivefan on September 27, 2014, 06:29:44 am
I'm currently level 30 and wonder if there is any pets that is worth working on with the intent to keep them rather than replacing them with higher level versions or the like.
Mostly looking to get tank pets, a flesh wall as I will play mage.
I have looked at the recommended pets list on the wiki already though, And it seems to list pets that does not need much work to excel.
But I am considering building my pets up from the ground. Perhaps I should use some of the god pets.
Post by: danjekshadow on September 27, 2014, 07:36:55 am
I saw people write you have to summon your god to get the 4th items...
Post by: danjekshadow on September 27, 2014, 07:37:41 am
Post by: Niveras on September 27, 2014, 08:09:21 am
Post by: danjekshadow on September 27, 2014, 08:41:45 am
Wishing, or praying at their altar at the truce ground during November after having enough faith to receive the third reward. If using the truce ground, only one god per November (so per year) can be summoned.
I see, so I need to wait till november, thank you for the information.
Btw, how you guys manage to sell item into 1 milion in shop? I tried to sell diamond panties in shop but it just sell around 12-16k
Post by: Ivefan on September 27, 2014, 09:12:57 am
Btw, how you guys manage to sell item into 1 milion in shop? I tried to sell diamond panties in shop but it just sell around 12-16kA shop in town or a shop you built and leave stuff for npcs to buy?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Shop
And your panties might be crappy which means that the value multiplier diamond provides does not have a high base value to increase.
Post by: guessingo on September 27, 2014, 03:13:41 pm
always bless these first.
1. wish: get 2 per wish (always wish for seven league boots first)
2. 15 medals buys 1.
3. act 3 you can trade 1 sox for 2 scrolls of growth. Very late game, but worth it to stockpile sox.
Pets: I have said this repeatdly... gold/platina bells. Give them machine gun and bullets. When you get rubynus material give it to them to raise their HP. Harder to get by level 30. At lower levcels you can just cast summon monsters and they have a high likelihood of spawning. They still come by level 30... but it will be more a grind. Do this in puppy cave so you can leave if fight gets too hard. Use small medals to buy a couple of rods of domination to get them. More = better. They are a game change. They will mow stuff down and let you go to much harder dungeons. Eventually you will upgrade, but I have the most success with bell type character
gold/platina bell -> bell of emergence => xena satellites - > bell of termination (very high level). You can level the pets and give them skills with gene engineering. Bells get damage reduction so their low HP isn't a big deal and rubynus eq increase HP alot. Regular bells are just fine at level 30. They may die some at level 1, but its so cheap to ressurrect them don't worry about it. All they need is a machine gun and a bullet. give them light armor. Gene engineering also adds body parts
There is a recommended pets page on the wiki.
Pet Shops: Go to negotiation page on the wiki and there is a link to pet shops.They explain this really poorly. Basically pet shops sell weapons/armor for far more gold than you will. So having a shop with a pet running that has good charisma/negotiation gets you alot more gold. Rest of the stuff you should sell yourself. Best way to make gold is to use blessed scrolls of change material on weapons and armor with good gold multiplies and get them a superior material type. Then sell in shop. I make millions of gold crafting panties/bulletproof vest, and pope robes plus spears with carpentry, using scrolsl then selling. This more of a mid to late game strategy.
Since you are level 30, I recommend accumulate a significant number of gems first. If you have a pot for fusion (you should by level 30) you may have the skill to ruse emeralds, diamonds, and rubynus into brilliant gems. Pets sell gems. Pets can sell blessed brilliant diamonds for 28k./ They use this gold to train potentials. It happens automatically. you will see a message that says 'pet sells gems for 'x' gold. if they have enough gold to train potentials the will. Here is the trick.
The cost for pets to train potentials is 500 gold * Pet Level. This caps at 20k/train. So a level 1 bell will train for 500 gold. So if you aqcuire a bell and give him a bunch of gems, it wont cost that much to get his potentials to 400% off the bat. Now they will level fast with this, but thats ok and it will get more expensive to train, but you might as well start fast.
recommended pets:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Recommended_pets
Pets also increase the number of wishes you get. You have a very small chance of getting a wish if you or your pet drinks from a well. Don't feed pets. As you go through town (normal course of play), they will drink. Occasionaly (very occassionally) you get a wish. They will come. More pets = more wishes. Yes they get pregnant with aliens, but this is really easy to get rid of. Just give them a potion of dye or sulfuric acid. Its not even that urgent. The aliens are not that hard.
Seriously get bells. You will have to grind some at level 30 to get them to be summoned. There are alto of rods of monster summoning in the puppy cave. Its a game changer. I also recommend gene engineering cooking into one of your bells. You can get cooking from a pet at the slave master. If you go to sleep at night at quarter to midnight you have your best chance of having a pet make breakfast. This raises attribute potentials for every slowly (but it absolutely adds up).
when you get bells go to slave master in derphy. See post at bottom on what pets you to buy to gene engineer to get cooking, marksman, and eye of the mind.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Slave_master
This page has multipliers for selling weapons/armor. You get a VERY low price selling yourself unless negotiation is radically higher than your pets. The formuls are in the wiki. You can put enter it into a spreadsheet.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Powergamer%27s_guide
Getting 4th God Gift: The wiki again is poorly written to explain this and its totally confusing.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods
First off you need to have already gotten the first 3 god gifts. You get them by praying when your favor hits 1525,2525, and then 4025.
During the month of november... and you can do this for one god/year.
Go to the truce ground (north of Palmia with all the altars). Have 4025 favor. Pray. note that praying lowers your favor by 15%.
You need to again have 4025 favor. Press 'i' and point at the god. Hit talk. He drops the 4th god gift. So you either need more than 4025 favor when you summon or have stuff with you to offer to your god to get back up.
You can also use a wish to summon the god if its not november. I don't recommend using a wish for this until you hit act 3 and can get scrolls of growth in exchange for sox.
Post by: TwilightWalker on September 27, 2014, 05:07:03 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 27, 2014, 05:19:52 pm
This questline (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_from_knight_level_150) is where you can trade them. 1 sox = 2 scrolls of growth, or you could save up 30 and go for some materials for the whole artifact synthesis thing.
Post by: Singularity125 on September 27, 2014, 07:57:15 pm
Post by: Niveras on September 27, 2014, 07:58:36 pm
I also recommend gene engineering cooking into one of your bells. You can get cooking from a pet at the slave master. If you go to sleep at night at quarter to midnight you have your best chance of having a pet make breakfast. This raises attribute potentials for every slowly (but it absolutely adds up).
when you get bells go to slave master in derphy. See post at bottom on what pets you to buy to gene engineer to get cooking, marksman, and eye of the mind.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Slave_master
I'm still not clear what pets carry cooking in order to gene engineer it. Your post indicated that it would be listed somewhere, but neither the Slave Master link nor any of the pets linked in that article came up with results when I ctrl-f "cook". The powergamer guide has a couple references but only as suggestions for the player to learn cooking, nothing about how to get pets the skill.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 27, 2014, 08:11:48 pm
Yeah... I'd been holding off on getting bells since it felt so much like cheating. But, I think after completing a level 50 dungeon I can justify it to myself :P Sadly even at my level I'm still running around collecting new skills (I JUST got Control Magic which is pitiful for my level). I usually use wishes on either gain attribute scrolls or secret experience of kumiromi. I'm also late on getting the material gathering/crafting skills, so panties are a far way off. (I don't even have tailoring yet I don't think...) Ah well, just more grinding ahead of me I suppose :PYeah, I'm in pretty much the same situation, actually. It takes quite a while to get all the skills. I haven't really been looking for wishes though, because I don't know what feats to take (I'll probably just max out the ascetic one for more life).
Bells are pretty ezmode if you ask me. Now excuse me while I take another 100 hours to finish Act 1. :P
Post by: Neonivek on September 27, 2014, 08:21:10 pm
Post by: Robsoie on September 27, 2014, 09:05:16 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2014, 09:14:20 pm
I have no idea how this is happening, because I've literally never gotten more than one on any other character, even ones with much more play time.
Also, recommendations? I've already got seven-league boots, a vindale cloak, a couple happy beds, a whole heap of cure corruption potions, and a bunch of good mutations.
Post by: Arcvasti on September 27, 2014, 09:23:32 pm
Post by: Blaze on September 27, 2014, 09:25:19 pm
Aurora/Speed rings. Aurora rings stop those annoying heavy rain effects on the world map, but it's mediocre in other areas.
"Dungeon" deed for delicious storage room.
"Evolution", in case you haven't got all of them yet.
Post by: Flying Dice on September 27, 2014, 09:27:31 pm
Post by: guessingo on September 27, 2014, 10:17:16 pm
You can get cooking from one of the pets at the slave master. There is a post at the bottom of the slave master wiki page.
Post by: Niveras on September 28, 2014, 05:44:45 am
It's strange because there were other articles on the wiki where the comments loaded without needing them.
Post by: guessingo on September 28, 2014, 10:51:15 am
1. More than 2 god pets at once. Elona+ blocks this but there is a workaround. Put pets in doujou or abanded ranch. then 'bring out' you have more.
2. breeding god pets. They can be bred,but there is a trick. You can't have any other god pets in your party (see #1). game will only ever breed 1 more god pet. Even if you bring both to your party and put in a ranch, you will never get more. I did this when I finished act 2. I jumped ahead 3 years. Did not get any more cute fairies. Add the god pet that was bread to your party ('i' and then click bring out). Drop off in Doujou or abanded ranch.
How to get alot of seeds and/or alot of plat using God Pets Cute Fairy (seeds) and/or Yacatects Pet (for plat. Forget name). Breed as in #2. Managing more than 3 of each is a pain. So I just breed 2 more of each. They produce seeds or plat when fed 'quality' food. Any food you buy from a baker once you have the investing over 100, will work. The stuff you have to cook works if you have a decent cooking and/or bbq. It won't work if you cook and produce low quality food (see cooking page).
This is what I like to do:
1. go to noyel.
2. bring a skillbook. Lately using lockpicking because grinding this up is a pain
3. Press 'shift r' to rest on world map when at noyel. It will start snowing soon. Go to bakery and buy out the shop.
4. go behind the bakery so not many npcs which slow game down.
5. send my other pets to town.
6. Drop food on ground. 1 food per square. Do perishable stuff first so it gets eaten before rotting(can leave food in cooler so lasts longer).
7. start reading. You can read indefinitely while its snowing.
Snowing stops. Pick up any food on the ground thats left. Leave. Press shift r to snow again. Baker restocksd about every 3 days. So you will want a stash first or you will run out. Pets get hungry about when you get hungry. So you need food for yourself too. I mainly do this with cute fairies since my fame is high, I get more plat from quests. I get enough seeds that have 3 farms and I don't do harvest quests anymore. I also have 2 Status of Kumiromi since they produce alot of artifact seeds. (got 2nd from little sister quest).
make sure to pick up seeds when produced so pets don't each the seeds. You can do this with more god pets but its not worth it unless you have more food stockpiled because you will run out. Its also best if you have an abanded ranch so you can swap pets in and out at no charge.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 03, 2014, 09:35:22 pm
Post by: Blaze on October 03, 2014, 09:48:42 pm
Post by: kcwong on October 03, 2014, 10:01:09 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on October 03, 2014, 10:10:02 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 04, 2014, 12:26:07 am
So, uh. I started playing again on my Juere Pianist. Not long after hitting level 14, I got my fourth wish on the character from a random dungeon well.
I have no idea how this is happening, because I've literally never gotten more than one on any other character, even ones with much more play time.
Also, recommendations? I've already got seven-league boots, a vindale cloak, a couple happy beds, a whole heap of cure corruption potions, and a bunch of good mutations.
Just got my second wish from three drinks on the first fountain I encountered.
Post by: Flying Dice on October 04, 2014, 04:59:14 am
Just got my second wish from three drinks on the first fountain I encountered.Holy cow, that's impressive! Hah, dump potions into it and see if it gives you any more. o.0
Speaking of luck, just happened across a <claymore> with a #### Healing Rain enchantment on it, and managed to change-mat it to rubynus, so it's at 3d14 + 13 for damage and +5 to hit now. I'm pretty sorely tempted to switch over to two-hand now, considering that I'm running a Pianist and should probably have more pets than I do, despite already being pretty dedicated to two-weapon (considering that I've got a couple static artifacts that work well with it). Do it, Y/N?
Post by: Ivefan on October 04, 2014, 06:12:26 am
Post by: Niveras on October 04, 2014, 06:24:07 am
Post by: guessingo on October 04, 2014, 12:00:46 pm
What weapon does your bell has? Will a weapon with poison or bleeding help your bell win (eventually)?
machine gun/bullet. at higher levels switch to shotguns you need the damage. However the upgrade path in pets for 'bell types are
1. platina/gold bells: I keep one since he has 100 cooking and I dont want to start over
2. bell emergence: melee fighters. due to melee not useful until you gene engineer limbs and give lots of rubynus material. Also useful to put two of them together so they kill faster and imprve survivability level wit gene engineering to get more HP.
3. Xena Satellite: sasme features as a bell. These are faster. Same damage reduction. Mix of melee and range.
4. Bell of termination; Totally bad ass. They can have 4 arms. I have 1 with 4 artifact weapons. They are pretty rare to spawn. I found 1 more recenmtly ,but party was full from little sisters.
About wishes... you get most of them with pets drinking from fountains. Wishes are not really game changing. You can't wish for armor. Seven league boots are a big boost to alot of things. After that its nice to have. Aurora ring... dont wish for this. its not that valuable. potions of potential. these are not that rare in elona+. BBQ (I wished for one), but you can use pickpocket in party time quests. Happy Beds? I wished for one than found my first not long after so bleh. I have a bunch now. Found several aurora rings. I change material and sell. The 'it protects youi from bad weather' can be found rarely on other items. I actually have a regular ring with this that I use cause i make alot of gold selling aurora rings.
Anyone notice that drops seem to be better in Lost Irva for a given DL level in random dungeons?
Also the snow in the ice in Lost Irva losts much longer. Makes it easier to read skillbooks (namely locking since Im doing 400+ DLs now and this is a pain to raise).
Post by: guessingo on October 04, 2014, 12:22:47 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on October 04, 2014, 05:27:55 pm
Just got my second wish from three drinks on the first fountain I encountered.Holy cow, that's impressive! Hah, dump potions into it and see if it gives you any more. o.0
Speaking of luck, just happened across a <claymore> with a #### Healing Rain enchantment on it, and managed to change-mat it to rubynus, so it's at 3d14 + 13 for damage and +5 to hit now. I'm pretty sorely tempted to switch over to two-hand now, considering that I'm running a Pianist and should probably have more pets than I do, despite already being pretty dedicated to two-weapon (considering that I've got a couple static artifacts that work well with it). Do it, Y/N?
Give it to a pet?
A great idea for two reasons:
A) Two Hands can give its benefit even if a creature does not in fact have two hands. So those pets that you had to gene engineer any hands onto would need less fiddling (which is good because splicing on body parts often leads to splicing on unwanted skills...does your ace fighter really need to waste his skill increases in Carpentry skill?).
B) More potential pets start with Two Hands than Dual Wield. So it's just easier to increase your pets damage dealing with a single big weapon versus several smaller weapons. Plus, a pet using one large weapon with Two Hands will benefit from day one, whereas the Dual Wield pet needs several hours of killing before it's skill offsets the penalties inherent in multiple weapon use.
I always love to have my pets rock out Two Hands. Sure, I'm fond of trying to create the ultimate multi-armed combatant, but the Big Weapon pets are just easier.
Post by: guessingo on October 05, 2014, 07:10:10 am
Post by: kcwong on October 05, 2014, 08:06:29 am
Dont worry about extra skills on pets. It does not have a noticible affect on pet potential. Just add body parts as need.
Incorrect, if you want your pets to be efficient.
Pets when hiring trainers will choose a random skill the improve. The less skills your pets have, the better.
Post by: guessingo on October 05, 2014, 07:31:43 pm
For high lwvel players.... What do you spend gold on? Most of mine goes to nvesting. The stuff at souvenir shops is largely not worth it. Scrolls of gain material, wonder,change material, and potions of potential dont cost that much in late game.
Post by: The Scout on October 05, 2014, 08:05:52 pm
I'm finding Claymores (the class, not the item) hard to get working thematically, as typically my weapon is heavy enough that I'm nearly over the Light Armour threshold with just that, let alone wearing things like shoes, gloves, etc.Wear only cloth stuff and don't equip a ranged weapon. The weapon you wield shouldn't weigh enough to push you even near the light armor threshold, unless you're getting some ridiculous materials.
Anyone else experienced this? Is it worth just dumping Light Armour immediately and switching to training Medium?
Feels pretty silly that weapons count toward weight for armour type. Though the whole Light/Medium/Heavy armour thing itself isn't implemented so well I'd say.
Post by: The Scout on October 05, 2014, 08:46:09 pm
No ranged weapon? That seems more than a little limiting.That's sorta the point of the class. Relies on speed, dodging, and dealing massive amounts of damage once you close in.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 05, 2014, 09:16:22 pm
For high lwvel players.... What do you spend gold on? Most of mine goes to nvesting. The stuff at souvenir shops is largely not worth it. Scrolls of gain material, wonder,change material, and potions of potential dont cost that much in late game.I don't think anyone is as high level as you around here. Sorry.
Post by: guessingo on October 05, 2014, 10:55:49 pm
I'm finding Claymores (the class, not the item) hard to get working thematically, as typically my weapon is heavy enough that I'm nearly over the Light Armour threshold with just that, let alone wearing things like shoes, gloves, etc.
Anyone else experienced this? Is it worth just dumping Light Armour immediately and switching to training Medium?
Feels pretty silly that weapons count toward weight for armour type. Though the whole Light/Medium/Heavy armour thing itself isn't implemented so well I'd say.
I am a lich claymore. Are you trying to roleplay? Heavier armor is better because you get more protection. Armor skills are not that important. The evasion/greater evasion are more important for defense.
The only reason to go lighter armor are for mages earlier in the game for the casting success. I have a lich claymore (got the tip from here). I moved up to the best armor I could find.
Post by: guessingo on October 05, 2014, 11:41:40 pm
Now on ekhetel of luck. Got the black cat at 1525 favor like normal. Got nothing at 2525 favor. At 4025 I finally got the secret treasure. This is supposed to come at 2525. Hmm.
Post by: Niveras on October 06, 2014, 05:10:33 am
For high lwvel players.... What do you spend gold on? Most of mine goes to nvesting. The stuff at souvenir shops is largely not worth it. Scrolls of gain material, wonder,change material, and potions of potential dont cost that much in late game.
I'm not a high level player by any means, but I guess you could throw a couple million into a kitty bank, break it, and have a pet pick it up for further training? Though I guess even that might eventually cap out when the pet hits 400% in everything.
Post by: guessingo on October 06, 2014, 08:26:40 am
For high lwvel players.... What do you spend gold on? Most of mine goes to nvesting. The stuff at souvenir shops is largely not worth it. Scrolls of gain material, wonder,change material, and potions of potential dont cost that much in late game.
I'm not a high level player by any means, but I guess you could throw a couple million into a kitty bank, break it, and have a pet pick it up for further training? Though I guess even that might eventually cap out when the pet hits 400% in everything.
no. I have my pet potentials high from arena and gems. 2m is too much. first off thieves steal from them. 2nd they dont stop training at 400%. so if everything gets that high they just waste the gold.
Post by: guessingo on October 06, 2014, 08:51:42 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:14154
Link to the download is on the front wiki page.
Post by: guessingo on October 08, 2014, 04:04:10 pm
regular greater enchat scrolls take you to +6/ blessed to +8
price to 'harden' at armorer (adds enchantments) is radically reduced. To go from +9 to +10 is now 91k. it was 10 million.
Post by: Robsoie on October 08, 2014, 09:18:31 pm
latest version 1.40fix.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:14154
From the comments it looks like there's a crash/error for some abilities/skills in 1.40fix and that there's a 1.40fix2 soon to come that solve those problems
Post by: guessingo on October 10, 2014, 10:30:25 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 01, 2014, 12:44:24 pm
Post by: guessingo on November 02, 2014, 05:14:52 pm
Basically mounts need to eat to be effective.
Post by: ejseto on November 02, 2014, 06:38:00 pm
Mount either eats or picks items up. Choice is when you get on. Options are not translated. First is eat. If you pick second he wont eat but you will be slow.
Basically mounts need to eat to be effective.
The options are translated, but it's a mistranslation or placeholder. When you first get on, the choice is actually who rides whom. That's why the second option usually slows you to a crawl.
Post by: Micro102 on November 07, 2014, 09:12:03 am
All I know is that when I tried to take off my robe to see if it was a wearable item, the game crashed and I lost it.
Anyone know what it does?
Post by: Henny on November 07, 2014, 10:08:28 am
I suppose this is because some pets have Riding skill, but can anyone think of a single instance where a pet riding you makes sense?Mount either eats or picks items up. Choice is when you get on. Options are not translated. First is eat. If you pick second he wont eat but you will be slow.
Basically mounts need to eat to be effective.
The options are translated, but it's a mistranslation or placeholder. When you first get on, the choice is actually who rides whom. That's why the second option usually slows you to a crawl.
Post by: etgfrog on November 07, 2014, 12:42:44 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 07, 2014, 05:36:29 pm
I got an item called "a silk cloth". No idea what it does, couldn't find it on the wiki.What did it look like? If it was like a few rolls of fabric, it's just a furniture item.
All I know is that when I tried to take off my robe to see if it was a wearable item, the game crashed and I lost it.
Anyone know what it does?
Post by: Micro102 on November 07, 2014, 07:11:36 pm
I got an item called "a silk cloth". No idea what it does, couldn't find it on the wiki.What did it look like? If it was like a few rolls of fabric, it's just a furniture item.
All I know is that when I tried to take off my robe to see if it was a wearable item, the game crashed and I lost it.
Anyone know what it does?
No It was like a pink fireproof blanket with some yellow thing on top.
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 07, 2014, 07:43:07 pm
This thing? Sorry, it's kinda hard to trawl through item sprites with only a vague description.
Post by: Micro102 on November 07, 2014, 07:55:57 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on November 07, 2014, 08:46:24 pm
. . . it's just a furniture item.
Post by: Micro102 on November 08, 2014, 02:37:03 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 02, 2014, 11:50:20 pm
In bigger news, Elona 1.41fix (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:14561) is out. There was a little trouble involving sprites for Lovecraftian creatures on 1.40 so it was taken down, but fear not, this update is up and it's better than ever. Featuring (thanks AnnaBanana; if that's one of you guys I'll be very impressed)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: guessingo on December 03, 2014, 12:46:35 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 03, 2014, 01:01:39 am
Post by: beorn080 on December 03, 2014, 02:08:34 am
The value in restarting is that you get to restart. No really, I think that's basically it. If you don't like your race/class combo, if you want to upgrade from an older version before INI, stuff like that.You restart, but can keep your good gear(once you find deeds of heirship), plus I think you get a bonus to the skill points per level. Plus that new stuff that just went in.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on December 03, 2014, 11:34:57 am
what is the value of making a gene and restarting?
Grind elimination. Making a new race/class combo, but still keeping your good equipment.
It's nice for race/class combos that have slow starts or special equipment needs (for example, being able to send over a nice set of gear for a Fairy Claymore), but isn't a huge game changer overall.
Post by: Singularity125 on December 03, 2014, 08:24:09 pm
I'm torn on whether to make a gene and start over. My wizard is fairly far along. But even though I thought I solved the INI problem with EloSnack, I still don't seem to gain any AP from even strong enemies... And I'd be able to get back up to speed in a fraction of the time. If I did start over I'd try a different playstyle though.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on December 04, 2014, 11:56:18 am
what is the value of making a gene and restarting?
To make use of the low-level advantage while at the simultaneously having much better gear to help you out. More specifically, characters of level 5 or lower are exempt from paying taxes, so to maximize that benefit, you'll need to find some way to stay and survive at that level for as long as possible. More often than not, this involves having as much gear with the "Slows your growth" enchantment, super-powerful equipment relative to that level, and maybe a collection of monster balls filled with high level monsters.
Post by: Patchy on December 04, 2014, 02:18:48 pm
Slowing your level growth is pretty much a thing of the past, it's actually a fair bit more beneficial to go ahead and level up. The no taxes under lvl 5 is a minor perk at best now, since gold is pretty easy to obtain even for a brand new char with no inheritance. The big advantage to genes is faster and easier growth by having some solid equipment to start. The inheritance deeds cost a pittance compared to what you would normally have to go through to get a set of good equipment with a fresh char.
Post by: Propman on December 06, 2014, 05:48:20 pm
Been working quite a bit experimenting with buildings. I have found a rather interesting bit of behaviour regarding abandoned ranches that might prove useful. Summoning a neutral creature through a strange diary and then altering it into a hostile monster through either a potion of mutation or rod of change creature makes it into a permanent enemy that will respawn on the north-western corner of the map after every few in-game days. Unfortunately, I have yet to find out how to remove such creatures after they're spawned, and they have a nasty tendency to prey on my stationed pets if I don't spawn additional neutral monsters from the diary to combat them.
Post by: etgfrog on December 06, 2014, 05:59:47 pm
Post by: Robsoie on December 06, 2014, 07:52:17 pm
But remembering some of the insanity with some one-shotting monsters (without even mentionning the robbing party as i usually kept fame high enough to access the higher level quests) , i'm wondering : is it actually viable to play a purely melee character in Elona ?
Managed to complete the game (well at least the Zeome part (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=83097.msg4812867;topicseen#msg4812867) i mean) with my old caster after more than 50 hours invested in it, but i have no experience with non caster in that game.
Post by: Tarran on December 07, 2014, 04:08:04 am
If nothing else, if you're going melee-only, get the Shadow Step ability. Some times you just don't want to have to charge all the way to smash the enemy's face in.
Post by: Patchy on December 07, 2014, 05:05:10 pm
Post by: Robsoie on December 07, 2014, 06:53:31 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on December 21, 2014, 02:26:03 am
Post by: Henny on December 21, 2014, 02:56:24 am
Whats the best way to get things like coldproof and fireproof blankets? I'm starting to run into a lot of red and blue baptists along with other monsters with the ability to destroy my items. I'm not really finding enough of the blankets in dungeons, and the potions are rare.I like to check with general vendors when I have the chance, and buy whatever blankets they offer.
Also, rods of silence help.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 21, 2014, 03:36:24 am
TLDR: Magatamas. (needs elona+1.30something or so but that's pretty much a given)
Post by: kcwong on December 21, 2014, 09:16:42 am
It also seems that if you have high resistances to fire/cold, your stuff breaks less. If you can find a magatama, that prevents anything from being destroyed in fires. And at least to me, it looked like stuff just kinda stopped burning and shattering after level 25 or so, maybe related to resistance.
TLDR: Magatamas. (needs elona+1.30something or so but that's pretty much a given)
That's probably not true... read the comments:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Magatama
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 21, 2014, 11:41:45 am
Post by: 1piemaster1 on December 21, 2014, 02:11:47 pm
Post by: kcwong on December 22, 2014, 08:45:21 am
That's pretty weird, but you're right. At least, I definitely could not set Palmia's altar on fire with a magatama in my inventory, so that probably just means it stops your own fire attacks from destroying things.
It's just another case of Engrish... we have plenty of that in Elona already :3
Post by: UXLZ on December 22, 2014, 09:02:53 am
Also, @kcwong, where's your avatar from?
Post by: Henny on December 22, 2014, 12:26:42 pm
Post by: 1piemaster1 on December 22, 2014, 01:44:23 pm
Does anyone have any tips on resistances? After getting slaughtered by those damn hounds one too many times I'm kind of looking into how to raise them. Currently I have Superb in sound and chaos, Strong in darkness, Little in mind and pretty much nothing in everything else... is there a fine line in gear that's good physically and the boons they bring? I'm lvl 15.
I'm in the same boat as you but i think it's mainly just getting lucky with equipment. Mutations can also cause you to gain resistances, but I still get wrecked by things like nerve and illusion hounds which i didn't even know existed.
Post by: guessingo on December 22, 2014, 05:22:07 pm
Items Breaking: Fireproof > ice proof by alot. Get these. Store them when you find extras. You will get enough. Later game resistances help alot with stuff breaking. Keep in mind this in only protects carried items, NOT warn items. You have to fireproof and acid proof those items with fireproof liquid and acidproof liquid. again stockpilke these when you find them.
Magatamas: this exists. Not super common. I have found a dozens, but I have played a long time. Eventually you will find one. I don't remember when I got the first one. I think I have seen them in shops that I have invested but not sure when they showed up. THis keeps items from breaking.
Resistances: Level 15... just avoid those things. you will find stuff that will blast you. you get resistances from mutations, but remember they go away when you sleep over time and come back. Best is to just avoid this stuff until you are stronger and get more resistance items more hit points, or range attacks. Level 15 is low. So fight something else. At the VERY late game in the 3rd continent you can do 'artifact fusion'(look it up on wiki). You can combine items into artifacts and this adds resistances. You need a ton of resistance late game, but this is VERY late game and well into Elona+ content. You have to defeat the first 2 continents to get this. So get range attacks, fight easier stuff, levcel and get more HP. Get better pets (bell types are by far the best).
BTW. in the latest version is got much cheaper to buy skills. Prices cap at 15 plat. Used to cap at 50. For that reason do NOT use Blessed Scrolls of Gain attributes to pick up skills. Stockpile them. They are required for artifcat fusion late game and are rare. Buy additional skills with plat. I recommend buying every skill you can afford. Skills train attributes. More skills = more attributes. Eventually you will get all the skills. Build types are for 'early to mid early game play'. eventually you can do everything. Magic > than everything else eventually by miles.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on December 22, 2014, 05:58:56 pm
Magic > than everything else eventually by miles.
How do you go about training magic anyways? I'm not really sure where to start, only used ranged/melee characters since i started.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on December 22, 2014, 06:08:37 pm
EDIT: Ninja'd by 1plemaster1. Guess I'm not alone in this.
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 22, 2014, 07:41:39 pm
Meditation will just rise on its own as long as your MP bar isn't full, so it's also a non-issue. The real problem is keeping its potential high so that it actually gets more than a tiny scrap of exp a turn.
Casting is somewhat important as it makes it more likely you'll succeed at actually casting, but it's not everything. Leveling the spells individually will give you 1% better cast chance per level and cast chance caps out at 90% if you don't level your spells, so you don't really have to go out of your way to raise Casting as long as you pump the spells instead. It doesn't raise damage for us players, but it does for NPCs.
Literacy is probably on the more important end of the scale. No literacy means no higher-end spells: no domination, no speed, and no cure of Jure/Jua/engrish. You'll definitely want to get up to at least the ability to read books of speed, because speed is awesome.
Control Magic is a pain in the butt, but very important. Personally, I just blew it off, but that's a terrible thing to do. You'll probably want to raise it concurrently with your bolts and ball spells, because someone on the wikia said you need more CM for spells to pass through your allies the higher level the spells are. If you wait until your spells are super-strong, they won't pass through your pets and you'll probably just kill them. From what I saw, it certainly looked this way. The more pets you hit with balls/bolts, the faster it'll train, so it's best to get all your pets out and then spam balls on them until they almost die. Be sure to give them resistance gear so that you don't kill them instantly.
Magic Capacity is pretty easy to raise if you spam a lot of curing spells into the negatives. It'll get even easier if you get your hands on the Magic Canceler god reward thing from Itzpalt. guessingo wrote about this a few pages ago.
What I do is learn the spells and then never use them until I've slept enough to get all the ones I want to use to 400% potential. After that, I just spam each spell until it levels once dropping to 360% potential. It goes pretty quickly if you just hotkey them and hold the button down. If you want, you can stagger them out by types (hexes, buffs, attacks, heals) so that you don't get periods where all your spells are at 380% and it'd be a waste to train them compared to 400%.
You definitely want some spell enhancing stuff. At least get the Staff of Insanity. That'll boost damage, hex and buff durations by about 50%.
Post by: guessingo on December 22, 2014, 08:57:01 pm
Memorization isn't super important, as it'll just multiply the amount of stock you get by 100 + your skill level. This is probably the difference between getting 70 stocks and 73 stocks at low levels. Basically, you won't be seeing anything noticeable until probably 50 (that'll mean 1.5x). Spellbooks are much cheaper in E+
Meditation will just rise on its own as long as your MP bar isn't full, so it's also a non-issue. The real problem is keeping its potential high so that it actually gets more than a tiny scrap of exp a turn.
Casting is somewhat important as it makes it more likely you'll succeed at actually casting, but it's not everything. Leveling the spells individually will give you 1% better cast chance per level and cast chance caps out at 90% if you don't level your spells, so you don't really have to go out of your way to raise Casting as long as you pump the spells instead. It doesn't raise damage for us players, but it does for NPCs.
Literacy is probably on the more important end of the scale. No literacy means no higher-end spells: no domination, no speed, and no cure of Jure/Jua/engrish. You'll definitely want to get up to at least the ability to read books of speed, because speed is awesome.
Control Magic is a pain in the butt, but very important. Personally, I just blew it off, but that's a terrible thing to do. You'll probably want to raise it concurrently with your bolts and ball spells, because someone on the wikia said you need more CM for spells to pass through your allies the higher level the spells are. If you wait until your spells are super-strong, they won't pass through your pets and you'll probably just kill them. From what I saw, it certainly looked this way. The more pets you hit with balls/bolts, the faster it'll train, so it's best to get all your pets out and then spam balls on them until they almost die. Be sure to give them resistance gear so that you don't kill them instantly.
Magic Capacity is pretty easy to raise if you spam a lot of curing spells into the negatives. It'll get even easier if you get your hands on the Magic Canceler god reward thing from Itzpalt. guessingo wrote about this a few pages ago.
What I do is learn the spells and then never use them until I've slept enough to get all the ones I want to use to 400% potential. After that, I just spam each spell until it levels once dropping to 360% potential. It goes pretty quickly if you just hotkey them and hold the button down. If you want, you can stagger them out by types (hexes, buffs, attacks, heals) so that you don't get periods where all your spells are at 380% and it'd be a waste to train them compared to 400%.
You definitely want some spell enhancing stuff. At least get the Staff of Insanity. That'll boost damage, hex and buff durations by about 50%.
PArtially agree with this. Mage builds.
Rule 1. dont do a mage build. Do something else and over time get all the skills. With the new versions skills only cost 15 plat. Get them all. All skills train attributes. So not having skills = lower attributes and at 15 plat its super cheap. Also only guild worth joining is the mage guild even if your a fighter or theif. There is a spellbook store there that is critical to get enough spells. The stuff you get in other guilds can be replaced elsewhere and isn't important.
Mage Skills:
Memorization: Yeah this is useful. More spells = more casts. Skill strength goes up from use. Also when you read books you train both memorization and literacy. If you don't havec memorizaton you train just literacy. All skills train stats. THese two train learning. So you get half the learning training if you don't have memorization. Learning was nerfed for a while, but check the wiki, it helps training speed. The bonus is negligible for a while , but later game its massive. I think my training speed goes up by 250%. I posted (i dont have an account) in the learning page on the wiki how I tested this.
Meditation: goes up on its own. later in the game you will need to spend training points and plat on this. you need the mana... you use alot as game goes on. just let it go up on its own.
Literacy: gots to have this. or no spells. get this and memorization early.
Casting: gots to have this or spells fail. this also trains magic. Magic gives more mana and makes spells stronger.
Control Magic: get bells. they have damage reduction. level them some. get them the armor type that gives life (I forget which material type, havent played in a few months). this will get them enough hit points. Get area affect spells. Hot key them with like 7. Attack your pets and this will go up.
Magic Capacity: Easy to train. also easy to suicide. This one trains willpower. I have posted tricks to raise this massively even with low potentials in this thread somewhere back. Do a search. i also put it on the magic capacity page in the wiki in the posts. I don't have an account, so its anonymous post. The info in the wiki about training this is wrong. Note, I died quite a bit doing this cause Im stupid, but i got massive amounts of willpower out of it. so worth it.
Hot key spells and hold them down to train. you sleep to get spell potentials back up. they top out at 400. so do this while they go up fast. then when potentials stopo do other stuff until you sleep enough for them to go back up. Pick one or 2 bolt spells to max out. I mainly use lightning. you also need to use one that does magic damage, but those books don't come early. don't both all the bolt spells. way too much trouble.
Thenb just play and use spells/ buffs as you play. as you get stronger you will go damn. magic kicks ass. and switch over. but do not start as a mage or your dead. this game is a little different its so damn long now you get all the skills and become uber badass, but mobs are worse and they can still toast me.
Post by: 1piemaster1 on December 23, 2014, 06:23:20 pm
Post by: marples on December 23, 2014, 10:51:51 pm
Post by: guessingo on December 23, 2014, 11:51:01 pm
I'm trying to get into the Mages' Guild to be trained in memorization and other Magic skills but I'm having a really hard time finding the ancient books required. I've only found 2 so far, 1 of which i was able to decode. Is there a specific place that makes it easy to find them?
it takes a while. you will find in dungeons and on some jobs. just stash them and when you get enough you join. One of the reasons why you dont start as a mage build... start as fighter and over time get all the skills.
Post by: Raul on December 24, 2014, 05:40:48 am
Which is the recommended version of Elona to play these days, and where can i get it?Elona+ (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:14561)
Post by: guessingo on December 24, 2014, 12:25:35 pm
RE the Ancient Books - you tend to just find a bunch as you go through dungeons.
I finished Act 1/North Tyrsis recently with a Claymore build. Finding it difficult to find motivation to continue into the South Tyrsis part though. The lack of/poor translation and general feel of it just seem kinda arbitrary, and it makes the game feel more grindy.
Still, at least I finally beat Zeome. Or rather, my pets Isca, Slicey the Varuna, Goda, and a whole bunch of god pets (shout-out to the Exile, who I got late but is competing very well now that he has decent gear) did most of the work, but I supervised.
it is grindy. the translations are on the elona+ wiki. there are some devoted fans. the new continents are not real interesting. towns are similiar to what is there before. it is grindy... however, late game can be fun. there is an endless dungeon that scales and there is an item called 'wake up nefia' that causes all monsters to be the same level as the dungeon. one of my favorite late game things to do is to get the sword 'ragnarok' and go to a hard dungeon. the drops scale to the dungeon level, but the dragon spawns don't. the info on this is on the wiki.
it is a grindy type game. so the late game is more for the neurotic types. they are actively developing it and adding more features. so you may want to check back in 6-8 months to see what was added. there is a forum post for all changes and people discuss them.
Post by: Henny on March 17, 2015, 04:22:22 pm
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A sub-quest for the 3rd part of the main story has been implemented (Nein).
The available number of custom portraits has been increased to 40.
(Note: I'm unsure on this one. I think it makes the astral light pen easier to use.)
Added a feat that increases speed by 20% when acting on your own (no pets or friendly NPCs on the same map with you).
The success rate of forced sleep sharing will now be affected by the current HP of the companion.
Added higher-level NPC additions to the lich, rock, wisp, and spirit races. 4 evolution patterns.
Added three fixed artifacts.
Aloe, Kuwapana, and Guava are now considered fruit during synthesis.
Item color will now be reflected in throwing animations.
Organization of the level-up choices for Living Weapons has been changed.
The skill choice now includes all skills except for weapon skills, and is broken into 4 categories.
See the level-up dialogue for more details on how the categories break down.
The strength of "of night" ego (suffix) equipment has been raised, and will no longer overlap with the generation of "of lightning" or "of fire" ego equipment.
Karma will no longer be lost when summoned undead die from friendly attacks.
If the conditions are met, summoned undead will automatically deploy on the global map.
Summoned undead will not "catch" and cause karma hits to the PC when stealing.
Occasionally animals that produce better meat or better milk will be born.
This trait is easy to pass along by making the trait holder the breeder. It can also be strengthened this way.
When moving to a new "generation", thinning out the number of NPCs on the ranch or moving to a more sparsely populated ranch might help the generation of better NPCs.
The "quality" of a ranched NPC will be made known when brushing them.
The breeder and pets on the ranch can now be moved about with the house board.
Since animal products can only be generated in the central enclosure, putting ranched NPCs in the hut, for instance, can make things easier to manage.
You can now instruct companions to be "patient" with items at their feet.
This will alter the companion's probability of picking up items or consuming items at their feet, based on master/servant relationship (separate from friendship).
If a companion picks up food from the ground and attempts to eat it, moving onto their location and stopping them will cause the the master/servant relationship to rise. When not prevented, the master/servant relationship will drop.
Aphrodisiac will cause the master/servant relationship to rise slightly. Cursed aphrodisiac will cause it to lower.
Dialogue will change with each degree of the master/servant relationship.
Riding skill experience gain is now focused on turns spent riding rather than physical attacks while riding.
Riding partner will also receive experience. When giving a lift, the partner will gain double experience. (Note: I'm unsure if that refers to you allowing a pet to ride you or vice versa).
The special action "Directive" can now be used to give instructions to multiple companions at the same time. However, a turn will be consumed when finished.
[Fixes]
Fixed summoned undead being made aggressive when entering a map that caused all NPCs to be hostile (such as guild maps).
Fixed how some magic worked in regards to summoned undead.
Fixed higher-quality meat gains on non bred NPCs.
Fixed the 1.42 enchantments not only being generated on the types of gear they were supposed to be.
Fixed an issue where turns were being consumed by special actions that weren't supposed to consume a turn.
Made some fixes when evolving snails and penguins.
Fixed an issue where both members of a tag-team might not receive benefits of a picnic basket.
Took measures to prevent the werewolf events from happening outside of towns.
Post by: Shiramizu on June 02, 2015, 01:42:59 am
Finally back to playing Elona. Propably no one remembers me, but I sort of promised a full translation of chapter 2 a while (#akhem#) ago and never really finished it.
So sorry about that and as good news I can say I finally finished chapter 2 and have all of my translation notes with me that just need a couple of hours to clean up (for better comprehension).
Just wanted to ask if anyone finished translating chapter 2 yet?
Post by: SirAaronIII on June 02, 2015, 01:56:29 am
In any case, more translation would certainly be welcomed. Elona doesn't really have a big following, so we should share what we have whenever we can.
I should probably play this a bit more often, actually.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 02, 2015, 09:41:40 am
Long time no see Elona players.
Finally back to playing Elona. Propably no one remembers me, but I sort of promised a full translation of chapter 2 a while (#akhem#) ago and never really finished it.
So sorry about that and as good news I can say I finally finished chapter 2 and have all of my translation notes with me that just need a couple of hours to clean up (for better comprehension).
Just wanted to ask if anyone finished translating chapter 2 yet?
That's awesome. Now I'll be able to tell what's going on.
Post by: PrimusRibbus on June 02, 2015, 10:36:59 am
Elona doesn't really have a big following, so we should share what we have whenever we can.
I suspect that Elona might have a bigger following than you might think, the problem is that the community is so fragmented (across versions, across places on the web, and across languages). I'll frequently run across people who play Elona and assume that the 10-20 players in their community are pretty much the last bastion of Elona players out there.
Not sure if there's a solution to that, though. It would be nice to have a more centralized one-stop shop for Elona (the wiki REALLY doesn't cut it), but there's never been much of a will for that.
Post by: Micro102 on June 03, 2015, 04:59:31 pm
I know it's not implemented but I like my collection.
Post by: Micro102 on June 09, 2015, 07:08:41 pm
Can I make one of my allies a ranged unit? I have a cat girl sister and she has insane speed, so making her an archer seems like a logical choice, but I don't know how to. I am using Elona+
Post by: Patchy on June 09, 2015, 07:15:49 pm
Post by: Trapezohedron on June 09, 2015, 08:27:34 pm
Capture a quickling, IIRC they're range based and have insane insane speeds.
or do the AP thing. It needs you to complete Ch. 1 of Elona+ and go to South Tyris, to find [<Leold>] somewhere, where he will start selling his services.
Cheat choice:
If Elosnack still works you can change its attack flags to another flag, let's say ranged attacks. I think the attack bits can be found here, look up "Spreadsheet of values used"
http://www.reddit.com/r/Elona/comments/2az3o6/this_new_e_takes_a_lot_of_getting_used_to/
Post by: Micro102 on June 10, 2015, 06:50:24 am
Post by: Patchy on June 10, 2015, 03:48:45 pm
Post by: Micro102 on June 10, 2015, 11:43:15 pm
High speed helps melee pets just as well. Though you'll probably want to give her as much rubynus gear as you can to shore up her poor life stat a bit. I think she also has a decent evolution that gives her a healthy chunk of life.Yes but the other evolution gives her EVEN MORE SPEED.
Post by: Patchy on June 11, 2015, 06:55:52 am
Post by: Micro102 on June 11, 2015, 05:00:04 pm
Post by: Niveras on June 11, 2015, 05:06:46 pm
I'm pretty sure you can change sprites, anyway. Not 100% sure how.
Post by: Micro102 on June 13, 2015, 06:05:20 am
Is there a way to change the material of a precious item?
Post by: snelg on June 13, 2015, 07:50:46 am
Post by: Henny on June 13, 2015, 09:15:40 am
Post by: Patchy on June 13, 2015, 10:37:16 am
Maybe a scroll of flying would be enough to reduce the weight (10-20% or something). But if I recall correctly they also reduce the items damage, defense etc. a bit when used on equipment.
I think that got changed in the earlier versions of E+ so that flying scrolls only effected weight and nothing else. Something to do with the cursed flying scrolls adding damage to the weapon. So certain adventurers strong enough to be able to weild their neutron-degenerate weapons could do some pretty riduculous amounts of damage.
Post by: Ygdrad on June 29, 2015, 08:06:44 am
Post by: kcwong on June 29, 2015, 09:49:25 am
Well. I'm moving today and will be without internet for one to two weeks. Seems like a perfect time to get back into this.
I don't like to play Elona without internet. I need Elona Wiki.
Post by: mushroom_ff on September 14, 2015, 07:46:42 pm
It's been a few years since I've play this, is there anything new that's happened/updated with it?
And, I'm a bit confused on the different version (the plus one?). How many are there? Which one is the best?
Thank you very much.
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 14, 2015, 08:35:51 pm
That plus version? It's been updating for quite a while. I think the current version is something like 1.49. New continents, new story, new sidequests, new items, new enemies, new skills and adjustments (learning skills costs cap out at 15 plat now!!!!! training potential is also cheaper, stuff like that)... so much stuff has been added that it's very difficult to list briefly.
But most exciting of all is the decompilation and recompilation of E+ versions to fix certain bugs and add translations. English has been one of the weak points of + for pretty much ever, but the great AnnaBannana at the Elona wikia has been adding flavor text and quest translations bit by bit. It's very definitely worth checking out here. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/Elona_Custom)
If you're not interested in that, then there are still links to most Elona+ versions on the wikia too.
Post by: Silicoid on September 15, 2015, 10:34:58 pm
Post by: mushroom_ff on September 16, 2015, 08:04:42 pm
Post by: Micro102 on September 19, 2015, 05:59:26 pm
Post by: kcwong on September 20, 2015, 09:46:59 am
I tried wishing for the usual pair of seven league boots but only got a book of magic laser. Wtf. And yes I am sure I spelled it right. Does anyone know what happened?
I wished for seven league boots twice successfully in my current game (1.45).
Either it's changed in 1.49 (the latest version), or you didn't spell it right.
Post by: Micro102 on September 20, 2015, 02:42:39 pm
I tried wishing for the usual pair of seven league boots but only got a book of magic laser. Wtf. And yes I am sure I spelled it right. Does anyone know what happened?
I wished for seven league boots twice successfully in my current game (1.45).
Either it's changed in 1.49 (the latest version), or you didn't spell it right.
I haven't updates in a long time and my 4 other characters on this version all had no problem getting the boots. I triple checked the spelling in text log. There is nothing wrong with the version or the spelling.
However there was an odd event. I had previously types "seven league boots" in the wish bar, but I clicked on firefox to check the spelling. Upon returning to Elona the box was empty, so I typed it again. The log had "you wished for "seven league boots" so I assumed it just deleted the words, but that may have had some strange effect.
Post by: Micro102 on September 20, 2015, 09:25:23 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 21, 2015, 01:08:13 am
Other than stacking resistances, there's not really much you can do. I think the most important thing to do is kill them before they can shoot you. Getting Shadow Step and/or Shining Wave will help with that a lot.
Post by: TempAcc on September 21, 2015, 08:54:18 am
Post by: Ivefan on September 21, 2015, 02:07:23 pm
Currently lvl 37 but my stuff are mostly random crap I've picked up along the way.
Post by: TempAcc on September 21, 2015, 02:21:05 pm
Get some crafting skills and get to crafting yourself some random artifacts. Might take some scumming, but its easier than wading through dungeons until you find something interesting. Another decent way to get nice stuff is through artifact seeds, that bosses will drop. If you have high gardening skill, you can plant them and get multiple artifacts of the same plant, and regen the plant when it dies using kuromimi's stone.
They take a long time to bear fruit though.
Probably the easiest (and perhaps the best) way to get nice equipment is by investing on shopkeepers. Takes a LOT of money, but money isn't terribly hard to earn if you're, like, a pianist of sorts or someone with high negotiation, investing and travelling skill.
Having really high fishing and cooking, and cooking the high level fish then selling them to shopkeepers can net you tons of money really fast, which you can then invest on the shopkeepers to get better items.
NEVER throw away items that give +### to crafting skills. You don't need super high skill to craft random artifacts, all you need is enough skills to craft them, and having items that boost the required skills save you the time of actualy grinding the skills up.
Post by: Henny on September 21, 2015, 03:22:00 pm
Post by: SirAaronIII on September 21, 2015, 06:13:01 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on September 21, 2015, 06:57:14 pm
I wonder how viable unarmed combat is. I know it gets to have pretty godly damage really late game, but does it even work early/mid-game? Will the lack of bonuses you usually find on weapons/shields cripple you?
Anyone know where the various god altars are found so I can quickly convert to one of them? I might have just been too blind or caffeine-deprived, but i couldn't find the info on the wiki.
Edit: derp, Truce Ground
Post by: The Scout on September 21, 2015, 07:32:07 pm
Decided to get back into Elona+ after 2 years away. I am completely lost again :DClaws and stuff are pretty good.
I wonder how viable unarmed combat is. I know it gets to have pretty godly damage really late game, but does it even work early/mid-game? Will the lack of bonuses you usually find on weapons/shields cripple you?
Anyone know where the various god altars are found so I can quickly convert to one of them? I might have just been too blind or caffeine-deprived, but i couldn't find the info on the wiki.
Edit: derp, Truce Ground
Post by: Ygdrad on September 21, 2015, 07:39:18 pm
Edit: My google-fu has revealed that you can hide armor pieces by using dressers. I have another question though, Does equipping two claws for martial arts count as dual-wielding?
Post by: Blaze on September 21, 2015, 08:21:19 pm
So I downloaded the latest version of Elona+, and after getting sleepy, proceeded to Squeeze my Yerles Combat Plane.
During sleep, I got a choice box with a few options, such as "Ignore", "Kick out of Bed", "Gently Hug", "Gently Stroke", "(Various things)", among others.
Choosing an option made some kind of message with "You (%) - Opponent (%). Choosing options raised the percentages, eventually resulting in me winning(?), "Yerles Combat Plane reached the limit!".
After waking up, there was a "Blood of Yerles Combat Plane" on the bed.
The bottle is white.
Post by: Ygdrad on September 21, 2015, 10:27:13 pm
1. Get a Golden Knight from Opathos of Earth
2. Make her ride you
3. ? ? ? ?
4. Profit!!!
Edit: Is there some sort of odd cap on speed? my character sheet reads 149(120) speed, but the hud at the bottom of the screen shows spd 104/104. I have no idea what is taking me from 149 to 104 as I have no visible debuffs. Equipping/unequipping my shoes makes the speed on my sheet change between 149 and 145, but the spd on the UI remains 104.
Post by: Blaze on September 22, 2015, 01:55:35 am
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 22, 2015, 02:02:00 am
Okay...
So I downloaded the latest version of Elona+, and after getting sleepy, proceeded to Squeeze my Yerles Combat Plane.
During sleep, I got a choice box with a few options, such as "Ignore", "Kick out of Bed", "Gently Hug", "Gently Stroke", "(Various things)", among others.
Choosing an option made some kind of message with "You (%) - Opponent (%). Choosing options raised the percentages, eventually resulting in me winning(?), "Yerles Combat Plane reached the limit!".
After waking up, there was a "Blood of Yerles Combat Plane" on the bed.
The bottle is white.
Lewd.
Post by: Ygdrad on September 22, 2015, 02:07:37 am
Low stamina, some mutations, cursed/doomed potions of restore body?
No it was me being a massive derp and looking at the stamina number >.>
Post by: Ivefan on September 22, 2015, 10:42:22 am
At what level does the bosses start dropping artifact seeds tho?
I think i have a fair bit of money for my level and i've already been investing a bit here and there. I guess a blacksmith and the blackmarket shop are best to start with?
Post by: TempAcc on September 22, 2015, 01:11:34 pm
On getting good items on crafting stuff and artifact seeds: Likely a combination of the required skills + your luck stat. Gardening might only affect the survival rate of your artifact seed, though, not sure.
A good shop to invest in is the gift shop in that one hidden down that you can only get to through a dungeon. After investing enough, they'll start to sell material kits, monster balls and evolution hearts, altough those things are only useful if you want to get some seriously good pets and make a really overpowered living weapon.
Post by: Ivefan on September 22, 2015, 02:38:40 pm
For potions of potential I have the magic shop invested in.
Post by: Ygdrad on September 22, 2015, 04:24:01 pm
Post by: ShinQuickMan on September 22, 2015, 11:51:21 pm
Okay...
So I downloaded the latest version of Elona+, and after getting sleepy, proceeded to Squeeze my Yerles Combat Plane.
During sleep, I got a choice box with a few options, such as "Ignore", "Kick out of Bed", "Gently Hug", "Gently Stroke", "(Various things)", among others.
Choosing an option made some kind of message with "You (%) - Opponent (%). Choosing options raised the percentages, eventually resulting in me winning(?), "Yerles Combat Plane reached the limit!".
After waking up, there was a "Blood of Yerles Combat Plane" on the bed.
The bottle is white.
Just to note, "reaching the limit" with both the PC and pet at the same time nets a decent boost at impression level. This becomes very useful at higher impression levels now that monster kills don't account for much past "Friend", I think.
Post by: Trapezohedron on September 23, 2015, 12:03:04 am
Okay...
So I downloaded the latest version of Elona+, and after getting sleepy, proceeded to Squeeze my Yerles Combat Plane.
During sleep, I got a choice box with a few options, such as "Ignore", "Kick out of Bed", "Gently Hug", "Gently Stroke", "(Various things)", among others.
Choosing an option made some kind of message with "You (%) - Opponent (%). Choosing options raised the percentages, eventually resulting in me winning(?), "Yerles Combat Plane reached the limit!".
After waking up, there was a "Blood of Yerles Combat Plane" on the bed.
The bottle is white.
Just to note, "reaching the limit" with both the PC and pet at the same time nets a decent boost at impression level. This becomes very useful at higher impression levels now that monster kills don't account for much past "Friend", I think.
Considering the context, I'd have to take it that this works only for soulmates...
I'd go test that myself since I'm planning to get back to Elona+ anyway.
But maybe not within today or the forseeable future.
Post by: ShinQuickMan on September 23, 2015, 01:01:46 am
Post by: TempAcc on September 23, 2015, 10:09:35 am
Anyone know how the Elona chat thing works? it's supposed to broadcast things like player deaths, but I've never seen one of mine in there.
You need to have the network/internet connections turned on for that, but I never really bothered using it, and I'm not even sure how it works/if it works on elona+
Post by: etgfrog on September 24, 2015, 08:33:28 pm
But the storyline is translated :D
Post by: Micro102 on September 25, 2015, 05:49:42 pm
EDIT: Crap.... I am playing a mage specializing in staffs, but I have a choice between this whip (which acts as a staff) that is stupidly powerful, or a long sword that gives me 7 magic and improved casting ability.... I can't decide, help.
Post by: LordBucket on September 25, 2015, 07:33:33 pm
Post by: Robsoie on September 25, 2015, 07:52:20 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/Elona_Custom
If you want to check the changelogs, AnnaBannana translate them too :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29
edit : in case you look for Elona+ 1.49fix that is required for the Elona Custom additional translations (the axfc link , the dropbox one point to 1.50) :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:18016
Post by: LordBucket on September 25, 2015, 09:48:34 pm
And so began the adventures of Sacred Love Goddess, the Yerles Warmage.
Post by: IronyOwl on September 25, 2015, 10:08:05 pm
Question: What's the "-1" and such that sometimes appears on the end of equipment you've been wearing a while? Damage or familiarity or something?
Post by: Ivefan on September 25, 2015, 11:35:44 pm
Something i've not really found anywhere is about the different damage spells.
I know that Magic arrow falls behind the other types with level and should be replaced with crystal spear.
But how about the other arrow spells? Which ones are worth leveling or should one focus on bolt type spells?
Post by: Micro102 on September 26, 2015, 01:36:51 pm
You probably got hit with acid. Go to a smith and have them enhance your item. Also use an potion of acidproofing.
Something i've not really found anywhere is about the different damage spells.
I know that Magic arrow falls behind the other types with level and should be replaced with crystal spear.
But how about the other arrow spells? Which ones are worth leveling or should one focus on bolt type spells?
Level up everything. The magic dart spell is so common and easy to use that it will be over leveled compared to everything else, and thus do a lot of damage. Everything will have some use as different enemies have different resistances and weaknesses. I also find myself running out of spell casts if I only use certain spells. Get control magic and spam whatever spell you have the most memorized.
Post by: Ygdrad on September 27, 2015, 05:31:12 am
At what point do you recommend using platinum to increase potentials?
Post by: Tarran on September 27, 2015, 06:09:36 am
At what point do you recommend using platinum to increase potentials?I'd say when you have no more valuable skills to unlock, and aren't interested in increasing the size of your cart. And you don't know of any other ways to spend it.
Alternatively, if you are determined to grind a skill, spend plat if the potential isn't good. Grinding at 20% potential is just silly.
Post by: JimboM12 on September 27, 2015, 09:30:20 am
Post by: Robsoie on September 27, 2015, 12:59:32 pm
In the past i always played without a care about the npc or dialogues as it was mostly nonsense without a storyline to give depth to them, just generic dungeon crawling/world exploration that was fortunately fun on its own .
If you haven't played Elona Plus since lots of months, get 1.49fix + AnnaBannana custom mod, give it a new try with a new character , it feels nearly like a new game with a storyline and npc interactions.
Post by: JimboM12 on September 27, 2015, 02:27:15 pm
Marcus, Righteous Platinum runs into a boar and gets transformed into pieces of meat.
I love this game.
Post by: Ygdrad on October 02, 2015, 02:07:03 am
Post by: Ivefan on October 02, 2015, 08:33:37 am
Post by: kcwong on October 03, 2015, 01:29:48 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 03, 2015, 01:55:21 am
Post by: Ivefan on October 03, 2015, 02:03:09 am
Is the crash associated with preaching fixed? It has a pretty high chance to activate in 1.45.I think I read that the crash was due to when a npc throws stones at you
Post by: Ygdrad on October 03, 2015, 09:38:28 am
Edit: Fixed the snowball kids crash. Solution: murder
Post by: LordBucket on October 06, 2015, 06:59:46 am
This is completely stupid.
Is it even possible to play a mage without rendering your spells impossible to cast? And long before spells become impossible, they'd become impractical once you start getting to the point where you can only cast once or twice before you have to reset to restore mana. Casting costs seem to be increasing way faster than spell usefulness.
Am I missing something or is magic completely crippled?
Post by: Ivefan on October 06, 2015, 07:18:35 am
Are you using a race with low mana?
Only other way i can think of this happening is if you are using a costly spell in the early game without training your magic attribute.
Post by: Ochita on October 06, 2015, 07:56:00 am
Post by: Zireael on October 06, 2015, 08:46:08 am
Post by: Frumple on October 06, 2015, 09:02:54 am
Post by: Ivefan on October 06, 2015, 09:16:33 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 06, 2015, 12:16:17 pm
Post by: Ivefan on October 06, 2015, 02:11:22 pm
Can anyone assist me?
Post by: LordBucket on October 06, 2015, 06:06:59 pm
Post by: LordBucket on October 06, 2015, 06:23:54 pm
Eh, never experienced that problem, and i do try to level my spells.
Are you using a race with low mana?
Only other way i can think of this happening is if you are using a costly spell in the early game without training your magic attribute.
Level 12 Yerles Warmage. 77 mana. My Magic dart only costs 8 at the moment, but training spells results in climbing costs even over just a fw minutes. Wizard harvest for example, went from 46 to 51 in I think 5 spellcasts.
Meanwhile, hero costs 15, regenertion costs 16, and some of the combat spells i've picked up from dreams are in the 30-40 range. A spell like magic storm, that costs 41 despite being only level 1, seems like it could very quickly become impractically expensive simply from casual use.
If it all works out and it's not a problem, then ok...but from what I'm seeing so far, it seems like it could become a problem.
Post by: SirAaronIII on October 06, 2015, 07:07:13 pm
It's probably just your race/class combo. If you really do end up having MP issues you could take the 5 Magical Gene feats; I think they each give 5 more mana, which will end up being 5% more MP each (or so; I'd have to look up the formula to be sure). Also eat all the magic fruit you can.
Post by: kcwong on October 23, 2015, 12:26:01 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 23, 2015, 01:21:01 pm
Usually one or two reporting a file infected and none of the other is very likely hint of false positive, but that's 9 of them there , i noticed neither kaspersky or eset (nod32) are reporting it infected, so still chances of false positive as usually they're good AV , but will have to wait and see if there's confirmation of false positive or if there's indeed something infected there.
edit : noticed on this thread " Re-compiling Elona (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:17104)
shows that it's not actually something new
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AnnaBannana
So, I've played around with it some more. If anyone would like a re-compiled exe, here you go: E+ 1.47 Custom (Dropbox). Drop it in your Elona+1.47 folder and run the executable. I recommend you make a new character to test things out, or at least make a backup of your saves before doing this. And like all executables you may download off the internet, scan for viruses first.
Miyana
That was really fast! Even considering a differant time zone 1.48 hasn't been out for long at all.
By the way, when I tried to download it my anti-virus decided to mark it as a threat, any reason it's doing this or is my AV just being paranoid?
Zeofolium
probally paranoid (https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/0cd9e4bebe95261dea1cc05a840e78dad250fcef7ef4d1f2010b96e97a70f097/analysis/1439539488/)
AnnaBannana
You can use WinMerge or any other text compare to compare the source I posted to the raw decompiled source to see what I changed (and compile it yourself). I didn't do anything but replace lines, but it's always better to be safe than sorry. If 1.47 didn't throw an alarm for you though, I'm not sure why this build would.
Zeofolium
1.47 threw alarms for me and a 2 overs on elochat
and yea.. the virustotal for that one (https://www.virustotal.com/fr/file/5ed1187675743a4071fca27c277c02d2e5e507ef39a119f38395346f4ed16352/analysis/) triggered the same as that one there so
by alarms meen firefox had it blocked middownload
AnnaBannana
As for the virus thing: Other people in the thread reported it setting off some virus scanners. It's always good to be cautious. The source is always posted so you can compare the changes against the raw source and compile it yourself if you'd like. I don't know what about it would be setting off any AV software.
So very likely false positive.
Post by: LordBucket on October 25, 2015, 08:59:00 pm
EDIT:
Found a solution: mass monster summoning to create a swarm of alternate targets to hide behind followed by chain teleports until I got lucky and landed within a few steps of the trainer.
Post by: Robsoie on October 26, 2015, 01:13:13 pm
change since the last time i reported an update to it ( it was version 1.50.2 ) :
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's getting better and better , great work , the story re-added in english (after the original full removal of it since forever) really gives a new atmosphere to Elona.
I threw the 1.50.4 executable into the virus total scanners .
And this time on the 55 antivirus engines , 7 of them (https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/c44f23c0c796ac04312fd6d6ef0aa8732ba9d16a22b72eceb7f56ab2b4c80c2d/analysis/1445882978/) found an infection, and even Symantec (Norton) does not detect it as infected anymore as it did on the 1.50.2 version.
So i guess the false positive is more and more likely, probably the way the original executable is patched/recompilled with the translation, though i don't have the original Elona Plus executable to see if the problem comes from the way it's translated or if it was already there in the original.
source code is available for 1.50.4 for those that wants to check.
Post by: Yourmaster on November 04, 2015, 08:28:17 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 04, 2015, 08:45:54 pm
There's a good permanent starting dungeon just to the east of the town, it randomizes each floor every time you enter it so it's pretty good for farming low-level monsters and early loot.
More importantly, use the wiki. This game has an absolutely ridiculous amount of breadth and a pretty good amount of depth to it, including anti-grinding features and other stuff. Food and platinum coins are very, very important, because if you want to focus on raising particular skills and attributes you need to eat the right kind of food and use platinum coins at trainers to keep your potential high. As your potential drops, you level up attributes and skills more slowly.
Post by: Robsoie on November 04, 2015, 08:54:16 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Beginner%27s_Guide
In other news, an update to the amazing Elona Custom translation and story re-implementation project of Elona+ , reaching version 1.50.5
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/Elona_Custom
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Changes:
Two cutscene translations have been added. A very minor amount of journal and dialogue text has also been translated.
Minor typo fix
I forgot to change the version string, so this will still show 1.50.4.
I threw the executable at the virus total scanners again to check, and this time only 4 out of the 54 virus engines that analysed it found it infected :
https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/4759a0e3dd0561e4a0956168c6f444ca711d517806d548470aab428326ef83c4/analysis/1446688155/
Post by: Shiramizu on November 13, 2015, 02:39:50 am
Also in regards to mp costs - the MP cost for any spell is "BaseCost + BaseCost * L / 25" according to wiki and this seems pretty accurate. To illustrate: my Nerve Arrow cost only about 60 at about 200 lv while doing sick level of damage and that's before nightmare comes into play. Also buff spells increase in duration more than they do in cost so effective cost per turn is getting lower.
Post by: Niveras on December 05, 2015, 07:28:45 pm
Decided to play Overdose mode this time. The 20x skill gain rate feels a lot better for solo play compared to the normal mode rate, though platinum is still the gating factor so things are still a grind. You don't get any kind of score in this mode but who cares about that if the regular game is too much of a slog to ever complete.
Post by: Niveras on December 07, 2015, 03:15:45 pm
I vaguely think this was discussed many years ago in this thread but wasn't able to find a reference to it.
Also, does anyone know if item names are written in the .exe or is there a file somewhere? I'd kind of like to change most or all of them to give them "tags" to make them stand out a bit better in the inventory. Like tagging foods as FD-V, FD-F for vegetables and fruits, or misc items as TOOL if they actually have a use, FURN for just furniture, etc. (I kind of doubt this is possible and would involve a lot of busy work even if it was.)
Post by: conein on December 10, 2015, 02:50:33 pm
Does anyone know if there is some kind of fix for the dimensions? In all the available resolutions, the top most row, and the right most column are partially "hidden"/off screen. Like, the game view is 15 tall by 21 wide, but window itself is something like 14.1x20.5. That's for the 1024x768 resolution. The others resolutions vary slightly and or decrease rows/columns but still obscure the topmost row and rightmost column. Windowed/full screen modes don't change anything.
I vaguely think this was discussed many years ago in this thread but wasn't able to find a reference to it.
Also, does anyone know if item names are written in the .exe or is there a file somewhere? I'd kind of like to change most or all of them to give them "tags" to make them stand out a bit better in the inventory. Like tagging foods as FD-V, FD-F for vegetables and fruits, or misc items as TOOL if they actually have a use, FURN for just furniture, etc. (I kind of doubt this is possible and would involve a lot of busy work even if it was.)
I think that there is a limit to the number of squares the game can display, at least that's what some guy in the thread said.
So i got back in elona+ and, even if I suck less than 2 years ago, I don't really know what a good companion would be. I mean, at level 18 I can kill the guards while the little girl just gets one-hit by them, maybe I need to give her better equipment?
Post by: Ivefan on December 10, 2015, 06:28:02 pm
maybe I need to give her better equipment?Yes.
Let her pick up money, then she can train potentials too
Post by: Zangi on December 11, 2015, 01:48:34 pm
Shiny Rocks, I believe its coded somewhere that pets get more mileage out of selling shiny rocks then you. (But then, that is just something I heard from way back when I started playing Elona, years ago.)maybe I need to give her better equipment?Yes.
Let her pick up money, then she can train potentials too
Post by: guessingo on December 11, 2015, 03:26:12 pm
Post by: Niveras on December 11, 2015, 04:10:09 pm
Save your ores of rubinus, diamond, and emerald - with enough alchemy and jewelcraft you can use a pot for fusion to combine 5 of each in a new type (the shiny stones mentioned above) which sells for more than the components. You can also give them the ores directly (also crystals) and they can sell those too, just for less combined than the jewels are worth. But you need a moderate skill for these - I think diamond, the last, needs 35 alch and 40 jewel? Something like that.
Giving them pickpocketing through gene engineer, they will steal gold from enemies they kill. This actually seems to amount to a lot because my pets are frequently training in town even though they aren't selling anything. I think they actually gain gold outright rather than steal it, because they get a lot despite killing things that don't carry much gold or any gold at all, having checked the enemies with pickpocket.
I don't know, I haven't really even focused on them all that much but my little girl and goose are about level 40 and are hitting for 800 or so. But, again, I am playing on overdose mode so their skillups are ludicrously fast.
Post by: etgfrog on December 12, 2015, 03:44:41 am
Edit: it looks like it crashes alot though. :'(
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 12, 2015, 01:33:54 pm
Post by: conein on December 13, 2015, 07:05:00 am
Post by: etgfrog on December 13, 2015, 07:48:16 am
What I've found useful is if you have a caster, to set first (target distance > 6 move forward), second (self mp > 10% (spell)), third (self mp <= 10% attack range). This also shows the downside to it, I don't know how to increase the amount of slots open, I'll try out teaching abilities and see how that goes.
So I did manage to catch a gold bell. Any tips on how to equip it? Also, what monsters give pickpocket, I couldn't find any on the wiki.
Post by: Trapezohedron on December 13, 2015, 07:50:48 am
So I did manage to catch a gold bell. Any tips on how to equip it? Also, what monsters give pickpocket, I couldn't find any on the wiki.
The ether bow, bow of vinderre if you abused the nukes, or any shuriken.
bleed stacks, and more bleed means even faster kill.
avoid grenades. your bell will shred YOU
and yes, genemod the thing and let it equip rubynus armor on slots unlocked with it.
remember not to load the poor guy with too much body parts.
Post by: etgfrog on December 13, 2015, 08:00:57 am
Post by: Niveras on December 13, 2015, 08:15:37 am
So I did manage to catch a gold bell. Any tips on how to equip it? Also, what monsters give pickpocket, I couldn't find any on the wiki.
Robbers have it, they can be purchased from character level 1 from the Slave Master in Derphy. I'm sure more "thief"-type enemies do as well.
Post by: Micro102 on December 14, 2015, 04:18:19 am
But now I'm thinking that it could lessen the grinding I've been doing for my companions. What are some of the first things you guys engineer?
Post by: Niveras on December 14, 2015, 05:47:46 am
However, adding skills is straightforward. More or less if the recipient doesn't have a skill that the donor has, they'll get it. If the donor has more than one skill that the recipient is missing, the recipient will sometimes get two skills in a single fusion, but other times you need multiple copies of the donor to give them all the missing skills.
This principle is also kind of true for body parts. A humanoid with 13 parts generally won't get new parts from another humanoid. They may get more legs or hands from a horse or asura, who have a second leg slot or four hand slots, respectively (thus parts which the humanoid recipient doesn't have). But still dependent on the above-mentioned variability between donors/recipients.
If you're primarily transferring skills, you'll want to pay attention to any body parts being added to make sure the pet doesn't go over 13 parts total, as they then gain a speed malus. However, this isn't a big deal and if you're just fusing humanoid pets (particularly those bought from derphy) for skills, it is not likely to come up.
Right now I'm just trying to get my pets all the skills I want them to have that they may not have yet. This is detection, pick pocket, fishing, gene engineer (these give them a chance to gain materials when hitting things, E+ only; also not sure if they just need one or if they stack or if they provide different materials), traveling and swimming (speed gains), martial-related skills (eye of mind and tactics if melee/throwing, or marksman if ranged). Cooking. Tailoring (pets may create items for free when you sleep, doesn't appears to be true for the carpentry/jewelcraft though; E+ only). Almost all of these are available on pets from the slave master in derphy. Fishing and swimming can be had from flying frogs. Not sure where to get gene engineer for pets, though.
Post by: hops on December 14, 2015, 05:52:33 am
Post by: Henny on December 14, 2015, 05:59:52 am
Post by: etgfrog on December 14, 2015, 06:17:54 am
Post by: Niveras on December 14, 2015, 02:55:08 pm
Post by: etgfrog on December 14, 2015, 05:52:15 pm
Post by: Niveras on December 15, 2015, 05:35:41 am
I wish pet management wasn't so annoying. Like, at least if you give them more than one food item, they'll eat through them when they get hungry, instead of having to give them a single item at a time and only when they are already hungry. I'd actually like to see a single menu/window option for managing inventory across multiple pets. That wouldn't even have to trade immediately (i.e. while they are distant from you), just say "this item is for this pet" or "I want this item back" and the pet will take it from you or give it to you the next time they are adjacent.
Post by: Niveras on December 24, 2015, 01:43:11 pm
Quote from: Elona blog
"Sorry for the long absence especially for the English community. The contracts of external servers I've been using to maintain the forum and the in-game chat will expire at the end of this month [posted 19/DEC/215]. Please make a backup of your images/articles if necessary.
It is not like we're abandoning Elona or its sequel so please don't feel sad. ( One of the reasons behind it is that as an indie dev there's always a financial issue and I thought it would do more good, hopefully, to invest in game assets.)"
[url]http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html=[/urll]
I presume it would also affect the moongates and name voting. In fact, I wonder how voting works if it can't connect. Only vote for yourself? But still not a huge thing to lose.
I've been saving spellbooks for I don't really know why reasons, but in retrospect I guess this isn't really necessary? I suppose some of the rarer books might benefit from having a higher memorization and literacy, but generally speaking I guess you're okay to just read whatever books you come across as long as you're Relatively Safe? And the literacy issue might even be moot now with the Reading Party special action in E+, though I'm not 100% sure if it actually means you'll never get, for example, monsters summoned on you no matter how difficult the book is.
Post by: stevebat on February 28, 2016, 03:33:07 pm
Been getting back into this game and I have to say, Golems are downright painful to play without a whole lotta speed bonuses.
Post by: Insanegame27 on April 16, 2016, 05:40:26 am
Post by: hops on April 16, 2016, 07:24:16 am
Post by: IronyOwl on April 16, 2016, 04:56:36 pm
Post by: Ochita on April 16, 2016, 05:03:19 pm
Post by: Blaze on April 16, 2016, 08:03:57 pm
Elona+ makes it loads easier, but there's still loads of grinding.
Post by: Flying Dice on April 16, 2016, 10:29:12 pm
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Post by: Xardalas on April 20, 2016, 01:20:33 pm
I tried a few google searches and all I got were the wiki pages. If those had a link to it, I must of missed it.
Post by: kilakan on April 20, 2016, 04:06:42 pm
That's the main page for elonaplus. it's in japanese but the download link is labeled in English.
Post by: Xardalas on April 20, 2016, 04:28:13 pm
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/ (http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaplus/)
That's the main page for elonaplus. it's in japanese but the download link is labeled in English.
Much appreciated. <3
Post by: Xardalas on April 22, 2016, 08:50:41 am
On that note, Am I the only one who seems to get obscene amounts of exp from casting on Elona+?
Like, I have gained four levels purely through casting cheap spells like Hero to grind my casting stat.
Post by: Patchy on April 22, 2016, 11:23:47 am
Post by: Ygdrad on May 01, 2016, 02:08:31 am
Post by: Niveras on May 01, 2016, 04:23:34 am
Decided to play Elona+ again and noticed the chat had been disabled. I really liked the chat, it made things more interesting and there were some fun people on there :(Yeah, the contract for the servers that chat was running on ran out a few months ago:
Quote from: Elona blog
"Sorry for the long absence especially for the English community. The contracts of external servers I've been using to maintain the forum and the in-game chat will expire at the end of this month [posted 19/DEC/215]. Please make a backup of your images/articles if necessary.
It is not like we're abandoning Elona or its sequel so please don't feel sad. ( One of the reasons behind it is that as an indie dev there's always a financial issue and I thought it would do more good, hopefully, to invest in game assets.)"
[url]http://homepage3.nifty.com/rfish/index_e.html=[/urll]
Post by: Micro102 on July 21, 2016, 10:50:51 pm
Post by: Xardalas on July 23, 2016, 11:08:28 am
Installed the latest version of Elona+. What is the skill "magic eye"? It's description is "you are subjected to the magic in the eyes by the ritual."?
It deals MP damage to a target. It's a skill.
Post by: Ygdrad on July 23, 2016, 08:45:20 pm
Installed the latest version of Elona+. What is the skill "magic eye"? It's description is "you are subjected to the magic in the eyes by the ritual."?
It deals MP damage to a target. It's a skill.
But is dealing MP damage useful? On casters it might help then run out and start overcasting faster, but wouldn't you need ridiculous amounts of MP damage to do anything to non-casters?
Post by: hachnslay on July 29, 2016, 10:57:31 am
[...]casters often have a magic capacity skill - it allows them to reduce the overcasting damage they take. Whenever mp is substracted it will deal an amount of damage related to the percentage of the total max iirc, so it will take effect earlier and deal more damage earlier against non casters with a small MP pool.
But is dealing MP damage useful? On casters it might help then run out and start overcasting faster, but wouldn't you need ridiculous amounts of MP damage to do anything to non-casters?
In other news - the original nifty site talks about elona coming to steam early access if i read it right. Can anybody confirm that?
Post by: Blaze on July 29, 2016, 02:45:29 pm
Post by: Ygdrad on August 01, 2016, 01:41:04 am
Post by: Kruniac on August 01, 2016, 01:47:20 am
I see it too, this could be very good or very bad, I somehow doubt Elona+ would be allowed to continue if the original goes onto Steam.
There is literally is no way to stop it. I'd host it myself if folks had legal issues getting a host.
Elona+ is a large part of why this game still gets fans. It's also why oldies will revisit the title.
Post by: Niveras on August 01, 2016, 04:23:26 am
Post by: kcwong on August 04, 2016, 12:25:52 am
Does anyone even still play normal Elona? Isn't everything after Chapter 1/initial continent Elona+ content? Or is + just changes to mechanics (skills, spells, jobs/plat costs, gods, etc).
Yes, new continent is Elona+ content. Besides that and mechanics changes, Plus also introduced tons of new contents and QoL improvements. Vanilla Elona is no match to Plus.
Post by: Cattani on August 05, 2016, 11:57:03 am
Speaking of which, any tips on getting an EN version?
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on August 05, 2016, 12:07:22 pm
Post by: kilakan on August 05, 2016, 01:32:45 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 05, 2016, 01:35:25 pm
Elona Custom is a titanic effort to re-implement it all in english in its full glory into Elona+ :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/Elona_Custom
edit : now at the time i write, it's for Elona Plus 1.57 , not yet updated to version 1.60 (that is the latest)
You should find Elona+ 1.57 on the link provided there ("slow download" still work at time i write)
https://www.reddit.com/r/Elona/comments/4js2sr/elona_157_download/
that said, there are a few antivirus ( 3 out of 54 on virustotal (https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/26311aa5e32429b3b482dbaed5b61d14fa66233e4074cfe7c127266811b555db/analysis/1470422663/) at that time) that consider Elona Custom own elona.exe infected, it's very likely (but you may never know) not infected at all but due to some compilling method some antivirus get a bit too paranoid, you can check this thread for further info :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:17104
But in case you unfortunately own one of those 3 antivirus, they may delete elona.exe and prevent then you to play.
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 05, 2016, 02:45:41 pm
Post by: Zangi on August 06, 2016, 12:50:59 pm
Post by: PrimusRibbus on August 06, 2016, 02:52:18 pm
Elona+ is worth it alone for the QoL updates. Plus, there is already a lot of content to go through in act 1 alone.
100% agreed. I often don't even move on to the later acts before retiring my character, and even then I'd never entertain the notion of playing vanilla Elona again. If Elona+'s QoL were a washing machine, then vanilla Elona's QoL feels like washing your clothes between two rocks in a muddy river.
Post by: Micro102 on August 06, 2016, 04:57:40 pm
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2016, 02:11:26 am
They moved to a new thread. It's on 1.60.1. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22264)
That is great, thanks for the link, i thought AnnaBannana had somehow given up.
The additional good new is that this version trigger only 1 out of 54 (https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/cb5ba23b93e0530b402cc9717501f531c5e04a1fc6ba77812ffe9c1e8dc1220c/analysis/1470553446/) antivirus on virustotal (and the one triggered i don't even know it, none of the big antivirus consider Elona Custom executable as a potential threat anymore), meaning that the "can't play my antivirus deleted the elona executable" shouldn't happen anymore.
No reason to not play Elona+ and the restored storylines/events/quests then :)
Post by: Insanegame27 on August 07, 2016, 02:42:14 am
Post by: Robsoie on August 07, 2016, 02:47:24 am
Elona Custom 1.60.1 download is found on the link provided by SirAaronIII , Elona+ 1.60fix is found on the link provided by kilakan a few posts above
Once you will have installed Elona Custom 1.60.1 over Elona+ 1.60fix, run it with ElonaC.exe , not elona.exe
Post by: SirAaronIII on August 07, 2016, 11:46:07 am
Where's a DL link to v1.60.1?Here's the wikia thread about it. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22743) You can go to axfc for the official download, but the site is in Japanese (still should be manageable with Google Translate) and I heard the ads might be NSFW. Or you could just get it off that Dropbox link.
Anyone try that wild new blade strings action? I heard it's mad OP.
Post by: Insanegame27 on August 08, 2016, 04:21:39 am
I got dissected by a strings trap in puppy cave at full HP. Urgh.Where's a DL link to v1.60.1?Here's the wikia thread about it. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22743) You can go to axfc for the official download, but the site is in Japanese (still should be manageable with Google Translate) and I heard the ads might be NSFW. Or you could just get it off that Dropbox link.
Anyone try that wild new blade strings action? I heard it's mad OP.
Post by: Alkhemia on August 28, 2016, 01:44:26 am
Post by: Micro102 on August 28, 2016, 05:15:55 am
I got dissected by a strings trap in puppy cave at full HP. Urgh.Where's a DL link to v1.60.1?Here's the wikia thread about it. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22743) You can go to axfc for the official download, but the site is in Japanese (still should be manageable with Google Translate) and I heard the ads might be NSFW. Or you could just get it off that Dropbox link.
Anyone try that wild new blade strings action? I heard it's mad OP.
Yeah I kept dying to those things at low levels. Who thought those were a good idea?
Post by: Ygdrad on August 28, 2016, 05:21:34 pm
Are those string traps still around these days and is there a way to avoid/detect them reliably?
Post by: Ivefan on August 28, 2016, 11:51:10 pm
Post by: Micro102 on August 29, 2016, 06:14:51 am
Now I'm in the mood to play Elona+ again. Time to Load up one of my old characters, not remember what I was up to, start a new one instead and never make it past the first continent!
Are those string traps still around these days and is there a way to avoid/detect them reliably?
Detect traps skill and spam the search key. Yeah I know no one is going to do this.
Post by: Nelia Hawk on October 29, 2016, 01:05:54 am
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Following the closure of Nifty @HomePage service, our website is moving to a new domain. The current address will be no longer accessible after September 2016.
Also, some of you may have noticed that 2016 is the 10th anniversary of Elona and I might be able to bring you new Elona(on steam early access) later in this very year if everything goes well. May the etherwind always be with you!
http://ylvania.org
seems the old web will be gone at some point and that a new game in the elona world is in the works.
http://ylvania.org/en/elin
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Elin(Eternal League of Nefia, The Garden of Elin, Before the Dawn) is a RPG I've been developing since the start of 2016. The current goal of the project is to make it available on steam(as an early access game). Although sharing the same world and lore, it's neither a sequel of Elona nor a roguelike game but a completely new one.it has a video shown too
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crazy that it is already 7 years ago when i randomly found elona shooter on kongregate and then found out about elona back then and liked how it plays... though i never did all that "potential or min/maxing stuff".
i still remember that back in the day "something" (elona+?) added a 2nd continent?/worldmap to the south east or something like that?
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
are all these areas in elona+ now? (could be that it is more a "lore" map though)
Post by: Patchy on October 29, 2016, 01:58:58 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 29, 2016, 03:04:59 pm
And in the end of the current discussion there's a "flavor text" pack update for it :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:22264#57
Post by: {Cerberus} on November 03, 2016, 02:24:37 pm
My most powerful character is a gunner riding a centaur with the android pet in a tag team with me. Three ranged attackers occupying one space. The evolved centaur has the bow given by Lulwy which frequently boosts their speed (boosting my speed too). I haven't found a god heart to evolve the android yet.
For the sake of an argument I made a snail tourist. It's not as difficult as I thought it would be. That's not saying much because it's still difficult. The only way I deal any reasonable amount of damage is by throwing junk items at enemies. I made a break for the lulwy shrine as early as I could. Very stupid mistake because I was halfway back to Vernis when the etherwind struck. It was just dumb luck that I got helpful speed boosting mutations. Unfortunately it means I only have the shoot and ammo slots.
Drain life and teleportation have been vital to my survival.
Post by: chaoticag on November 05, 2016, 06:26:57 am
Seems I got nostalgic for this game at a good time. Custom really helps, and man the quality of life changes are good. Not having to stress about leveling or grind jobs to learn skills has been great. Not that it's stopping me from wondering if there's a faster way to earn platinum later on. My thief is a long way away from having all the skills I want.
Post by: JimboM12 on November 05, 2016, 10:35:45 am
Post by: {Cerberus} on November 07, 2016, 12:25:20 pm
It's really weird thinking Elona got someone into DF. Always felt more like a kinda odd rpg where you set out as a pauper and try to live as royalty.As your fame increases quests will sometimes grant more platinum. That comes with increased difficulty though. You can also rush through dungeons for the platinum rewards and chance to get small medals.
Seems I got nostalgic for this game at a good time. Custom really helps, and man the quality of life changes are good. Not having to stress about leveling or grind jobs to learn skills has been great. Not that it's stopping me from wondering if there's a faster way to earn platinum later on. My thief is a long way away from having all the skills I want.
It got me into it because I read the TV tropes page on elona and clicked a few links that were on the page. After reading some of the dwarf fortress stories I had to give it a try.
Post by: amjh on November 10, 2016, 04:56:28 pm
Post by: Gunner-Chan on November 10, 2016, 05:21:48 pm
Edit: I don't know if I even did anything but it started working just fine.
Post by: chaoticag on November 11, 2016, 01:38:17 pm
Most definitely a human indeed.
Post by: Shadowgandor on November 11, 2016, 02:04:03 pm
Post by: Bronimin on November 19, 2016, 10:08:14 am
Post by: RoguelikeRazuka on January 06, 2017, 04:37:43 pm
Also, could someone enlighten me on where I should start from, which class and race I should choose etc, in order to get better acquainted with the essence of the game, learn the basics (I mean not necessarily controls or UI navigation) etc?
Post by: Ivefan on January 06, 2017, 05:04:44 pm
Depending if you play for the short run or if you intend to play for eternity, The things that matters most would just be the special traits of the race and skill of the class.
Pick one of the human-ish races, a melee class, maybe claymore and fumble around for a while, looking at the wiki occasionally.
Elona is a lot about cheesing the system but for your first char you should probably just run around for a while trying stuff, raise your relation with a pet and then "make a gene"(offspring) and start a new char from the child, getting some of the stuff from the previous char.
Post by: Micro102 on October 20, 2017, 09:20:34 am
Post by: Blaze on October 20, 2017, 12:36:49 pm
Consider the bog-standard wild horse. 24 str, 145 spd; and say you have a riding of 10.
Speed = MountSpeed * 100 / limit(100 + MountSpeed - MountStrength * 1.5 - PlayerRidingSkill * 2 - 50 * cHorseBit (which I believe is 1 for a horse)
Speed = 145 * 100 / (100 + 145 - (24 * 1.5) - (10* 2) - (50 * 1)
Speed = 14500 / 245 - 36 - 20 - 50
Speed = 14500 / 139
Speed = ~104
If the horse had say, 30 strength:
Speed = 14500 / 245 - 45 - 20 - 50
Speed = 14500/130
Speed = ~111
Note that the maximum speed from riding is 100% of your pet's speed, so you'll never go higher than 145 without boosting your pets speed.
Post by: Micro102 on October 20, 2017, 02:47:53 pm
Post by: Micro102 on November 05, 2017, 12:49:36 pm
Post by: Blaze on November 05, 2017, 01:16:39 pm
Post by: TheBronzePickle on November 05, 2017, 04:25:51 pm
Post by: jocan2003 on December 07, 2017, 01:19:08 pm
Anyway, i forgot if when you have a shop you have to drop one item per tile of you can just drop everything in the same pile and be done with it....
Post by: Robsoie on December 07, 2017, 01:42:06 pm
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:27245
you can find the changelogs there :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29
The Elona+Custom mod (that re-add and translate the truckload of content that was removed in english Elona) is available for this version 1.73 here :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 07, 2017, 01:59:29 pm
Post by: etgfrog on December 07, 2017, 09:04:00 pm
I haven been on Elona since 2015, I barely managed to clear the first level dungeon (I think it was a elf mage with a gun that did it), what has changed since then?Too much to count, but most of it is beyond the first dungeon, although I guess the main thing with elona+ is mages are viable from the start.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 07, 2017, 09:36:31 pm
Hmm. I think I wasn't much of a mage since I used prostitution to obtain my right to exercise my fourth amendment rights in the form of a gat rather than actually doing any prissy mage stuff.
Post by: Micro102 on December 07, 2017, 09:40:59 pm
Its been a long time i didnt play this game, about the same time that roguelike mech game was around i think? gear something?
Anyway, i forgot if when you have a shop you have to drop one item per tile of you can just drop everything in the same pile and be done with it....
Might just be Elona+, but the last time I checked, you could.
Post by: etgfrog on December 07, 2017, 09:46:39 pm
Its been a long time i didnt play this game, about the same time that roguelike mech game was around i think? gear something?Gearhead, http://www.gearheadrpg.com/
also a good game, and about as opaque as elona.
Post by: EuchreJack on December 12, 2017, 08:30:58 pm
Wow, I thought Gearhead was deadIts been a long time i didnt play this game, about the same time that roguelike mech game was around i think? gear something?Gearhead, http://www.gearheadrpg.com/
also a good game, and about as opaque as elona.
Post by: Micro102 on December 12, 2017, 11:47:46 pm
If I re-download the game and just move the save-file, will everything with my world be saved?
And today it works. I have no idea wtf is going on. Unless Elona+ running is literally determined by some sort of server connection???
Post by: Blaze on December 12, 2017, 11:55:26 pm
Elona+ devs have done pretty well in keeping save compatibility, but YMMV depending on how old it is.
Post by: Micro102 on December 13, 2017, 01:07:21 am
Post by: AlStar on December 13, 2017, 11:12:00 am
Is it normal that there doesn't seem to be any middle ground between monsters that I (or my pet) can one-shot and monsters that can one-shot me (or my pet)? I have both healing potions and a healing spell learned, but I never get to use them because if something gets close enough to hit me it seems to be pretty much fatal.
Post by: Jilladilla on December 13, 2017, 11:51:45 am
I decided to make give this game a good, honest try. After splatting a number of characters almost immediately, I've ended up with one that I'm decently happy with (who has also died... I think 3 or 4 times now, but is otherwise doing well.)
Is it normal that there doesn't seem to be any middle ground between monsters that I (or my pet) can one-shot and monsters that can one-shot me (or my pet)? I have both healing potions and a healing spell learned, but I never get to use them because if something gets close enough to hit me it seems to be pretty much fatal.
Vanilla or +? Are you trying to start a Wizard character? Wizard starts are hell.
Also, advice: Rods of Teleport. They're a lifesaver.
Post by: AlStar on December 13, 2017, 12:11:09 pm
Post by: Jilladilla on December 13, 2017, 12:32:17 pm
+, a warrior, but a mutant warrior, so I've only got a torso and a head slot at the moment.
Mutant, yeah; a bit more of a long term investment, that is. And you're in the hands of RNGesus for your slots.
Would definitely explain why some mobs are just able to splatter your character, not enough armor. Look out for high PV giving equipment, stockpile any scrolls of oracle you can find, they're great for trading to the wandering adventurers in exchange for gear. Really, the early game is about getting non-crap equipment, I'd say; and as a mutant, well.... It does get better for them, as you will get more slots as you level, but as I said earlier, exactly what slots you get is up to RNGesus, unless you save-scum.
Post by: Robsoie on December 13, 2017, 01:15:29 pm
All i ever did was spell attack + teleport to avoid insta death from nearly everything in melee as my wizards were always rather squishy , but they did pack a big punch in spells so i never minded the insta death in melee as i always did my best to never be in melee position, letting that to my allies instead.
Currently running a new character Lich Wizard in 1.73 + Elona Custom 1.73.1 and while i just reached level 6 thanks to hunting missions i've been having fun again as it had been a long time i didn't play.
Got my character "pregnant" unfortunately by drinking in a well, spawned a few aliens already (and was surprised that squishy wizard never died from the bleeding of it), got rid of it by getting the character drunk enough to vomit all over the place, but he died before vomitting the infestation source.
Fortunately crawling up from the grave get rid of the problem too :)
Post by: Flying Dice on December 13, 2017, 01:39:53 pm
Post by: Micro102 on December 13, 2017, 02:34:53 pm
+, a warrior, but a mutant warrior, so I've only got a torso and a head slot at the moment.
Never played a mutant but having no legs sounds like a good way to have no speed. And when you have like, 20 speed, things can hit you ten times in one of your turns. If you do have low speed, I suggest getting riding ASAP.
Post by: Robsoie on December 13, 2017, 06:34:11 pm
My companion rushed it and while doing the killing blow with the decapitating special scythe i gave her, the wing snail asked me to be friend ?
I accepted and obtained a new companion in my party, a wing snail
(https://i.imgur.com/YxFpxqxm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/YxFpxqx.jpg)
"anything wrong ?"
yes indeed there was something wrong, as the continuum was just shattered by this turn of event as while the wing snail was following us, it was also dead on the ground at the same time as i could pick the figurine and card of it.
Anyways, being unfamiliar with this monster as an ally, i looked at the wiki to see if there's some special ability or nice thing to know with this monster and
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Wing_snail
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He might look weak and terrible at first glance, but make no mistake: he is weak and terrible. It seems to be a kind of joke character. He is probably intended to be a ranged character, but his terrible speed would make raising him tough.just my luck :D
Post by: Robsoie on December 14, 2017, 12:01:02 pm
Unfortunately the dialogues are untranslated even with elona custom so far , so when the npc are talking it's all blank.
So i imagine that must be very boring for the people assisting to such seminar, and so it's not surprising one of the guys attending there decided he had enough :
(https://i.imgur.com/sGODCMum.png) (https://i.imgur.com/sGODCMu.png)
I guess that's one way to escape the seminar.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 14, 2017, 12:11:50 pm
Post by: Blaze on December 14, 2017, 12:56:16 pm
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 14, 2017, 01:19:14 pm
Post by: JimboM12 on December 14, 2017, 01:59:40 pm
Post by: Akura on December 14, 2017, 08:16:20 pm
Post by: JimboM12 on December 14, 2017, 08:51:14 pm
Sounds like the plot of an action movie. Next the little girl will carry out a rampage of revenge for you, before cornering the main villain(the person who threw the rock that killed you) at the top of a tall tower before Sparta-kicking them off, causing them to land on and be impaled by your piano, then they die as a rock(a broken-off piece from the tower) falls and hits them in the head.
ha, it's basically kickass but with more fabulous and pianos.
Post by: Sirus on December 14, 2017, 08:57:01 pm
Post by: JimboM12 on December 14, 2017, 09:05:15 pm
Because I lack the time to read through 280 pages of thread, could I get a link to the current "best" version of Elona? I played a little of this game some years back, and I'd like to try it again, but it was on an old computer.
here ya are
For those interested, Elona+ is currently at version 1.73
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:27245
you can find the changelogs there :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29
The Elona+Custom mod (that re-add and translate the truckload of content that was removed in english Elona) is available for this version 1.73 here :
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014
Post by: Flying Dice on December 14, 2017, 09:06:21 pm
Time to restart, I suppose. Can't even remember what I was doing with my last character beyond being a
Post by: Robsoie on December 14, 2017, 09:43:17 pm
And i must say it is making a rather huge difference in his survivability, i remember my past character was in danger of being insta killed nearly everytime (so i had to teleport very often, especially in those bandit ambushes due to high fame) and not able to kill anything, but i have even gone clearing a low level dungeon with only melee without trouble.
Post by: Robsoie on December 15, 2017, 02:59:29 pm
Managed to obtain enough favor to pray for the 1st gift, a new ally.
(https://i.imgur.com/pIfVrzQm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/pIfVrzQ.png)
And grinding in that dog dungeon allowed to gather so many books that i filled my spell list relatively easily, and obtained a lot of those ancient books that needed "decoding", the ones you need a lot to give in order to be accepted in the mage guild
(https://i.imgur.com/XuPPZVom.png) (https://i.imgur.com/XuPPZVo.png)
Looks like that character has a lot of promise.
The addition in Elona+ of the possibility to have lots of spells trained against only a few platinium (at the same guy that can identify your whole inventory for only few money) allows to give lots of power level to spells you may not use much, very nice to break the spell leveling grinding repetitive routine that made it a pain to have recently obtained spells on an useful enough power.
Though it's a bit too easy now assuming you make enough missions and dungeon run to obtain enough platinium as after spending lots of them , i have nearly all of the offensive spells really high level of absolutely total global destruction.
Post by: MCreeper on December 16, 2017, 05:39:09 am
Oh, nevermind, there was a captcha among all the naked lolis.
Post by: Sirus on December 16, 2017, 09:41:33 am
Post by: EuchreJack on December 16, 2017, 08:05:44 pm
For my current Lich Wizard, i have been fighting a lot with a sword instead of doing what i always did with my past characters (i mean going nearly exclusively ranged magic only) and decided to boost his evasion a lot too instead of going over the spell related skills (as with spell usage and reading a lot of spellbooks i imagined that they would train a lot during this character run).
And i must say it is making a rather huge difference in his survivability, i remember my past character was in danger of being insta killed nearly everytime (so i had to teleport very often, especially in those bandit ambushes due to high fame) and not able to kill anything, but i have even gone clearing a low level dungeon with only melee without trouble.
So you're playing a Sith Lord, makes sense that you'd be more survivable (pretty sure you can find a Lightsaber in Elona+ as well).
Post by: Flying Dice on December 17, 2017, 09:13:38 am
Skill tickets + capped plat costs make it feasible to get every skill you want fairly quickly. Good shit.
The new god, Yacatect of Wealth, is amazing (and also contributes to the last point). She takes rings/amulets as offerings so she's dead easy to level. Her skill bonuses are to Negotiation, Sense Quality, Traveling, Investing, and Alchemy (which in E+ can be used to make near-weightless food & pots of cure mutation and water, and a chunk of the items for artifact fusion atop other stuff). Her pet turns food into plat coins at a rate of 2 per sleep. Her gem gives 10-25 plat coins per month. Her weapon is a near-weightless throwing coin that gives invisible sight, darkness res +200, and bonuses to investing + negotiation. Her hidden item massively reduces negotiation (-3173), which drastically reduces how much gold you have to spend to trigger progress in negotiation.
That's important because of how they changed materials scrolls. Now Inferior/Change/Superior each have a list of materials which they cycle through, same way every time. Listed on the wiki. (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Scroll) That gives you a couple options and even further increases the value of investing in magic shops. You can use blessed change material to cycle up to one of the stopping points (Dragon Scale or Adamatium depending on where you want the item to go), then use a maximum of four blessed superior material to take it to crystal/titanium/mithril or emerald/diamond/rubynus/ether. If you want dawn or spirit cloth, you can hit it with inferior material to turn it into paper and then 1-2 superior to get the cloth you favor.
It's hard to overstate how massive it is to be able to remove that particular RNG goldsink. Especially when I play mostly Claymore. Knowing exactly how much I need to spend to get all my armor to Griffon Scale (and later Spirit Cloth), and it being "not too much" is wonderful.
e: Well what the fuck. My little girl had an artifact crystal battleaxe but it up and disappeared at some point.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 18, 2017, 10:55:41 am
Post by: Flying Dice on December 18, 2017, 11:03:42 am
Elona+ Custom updated for 1.74 (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014)
Notable features include: More Act III content; when characters > lv50 encounter bandits, bandits are scaled as if they were lv50; new museum parameter to gauge unique NPC items with plat coins as an additional reward based on unique rank; Sense Object can now detect traps; new Xmas item that satiates the party and recalls all allies to your side + granting a Lucky Day buff (it's consumable); can look at enemies to check their stamina; experience gain for skills/attributes >lv300 is now equivalent to what they would get if they were lv300.
Post by: JimboM12 on December 18, 2017, 12:25:27 pm
Elona+ 1.74 release (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:27460), fix coming soon.
Elona+ Custom updated for 1.74 (http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014)
Notable features include: More Act III content; when characters > lv50 encounter bandits, bandits are scaled as if they were lv50; new museum parameter to gauge unique NPC items with plat coins as an additional reward based on unique rank; Sense Object can now detect traps; new Xmas item that satiates the party and recalls all allies to your side; can look at enemies to check their stamina; experience gain for skills/attributes >lv300 is now equivalent to what they would get if they were lv300.
thanks for the heads up. created a new hero: Outstanding Dude, the Juere Pianist. lol, that was the first nickname generated too i got a good chuckle when i saw it.
Post by: Zangi on December 18, 2017, 01:38:28 pm
Hemorrhaging dosh like some uninformed kid that recently acquired a black tier credit card. As for the plats, surprising that I havn't spent more then 5k yet... and I've been using it every chance I get.
As of 1.73
@Shops
Apparently specialized shops still sell 'other' goods. The general store has a base chance of 'not making a sale' from what I read in the wiki. The specialized shop sells everything without the 'not making a sale' modifier it feels like. Cause I decided to throw random things in there to sell in the specialized shop cause the general store was full. They get sold too, cleared out much quicker too. The backlog of random crap I picked up to sell is empty and I can actually use 1 shop instead of 2.
The quality of life changes from whenever I played last(years ago) is superb.
Karma is overrated and maintaining it is super inconvenient. Especially when you are trying to grind the unique from the thieves guild questline and people get in the way with the 'Guard! Guard!' -5(-3) karma from out of line of sight. Did you know the thieves den resets every few days? Lotta murder happens down there ya know. And apparently nukes don't want to blow up the heavy things or the safe...
On a positive note, I can now gang up on the king and murder him without anyone dying. (Yay, I didn't have to set-off a nuke daisy-chain right next to the throne...) Which is a first for me, since I never made it this far in power level before now.
Playing as Fairy Claymore. I like the concept. Just hard to find a good claymore for her... well, once I find enough flying scrolls and a good claymore I reckon. Took awhile to find a decent weapon in the first place.
Still the issue of my party getting devastated by area attack enemies like the hounds. The Nurse from the slave market is actually pretty decent healer now that her AI is fixed, especially when you are wandering around overburdened. No need for emergency rest-stops. No more 'I wasn't paying attention so I died from overburdened+hunger/sleepy'. I guess it is good training for her spell level.
Post by: Robsoie on December 18, 2017, 02:19:43 pm
The minotaur nest was still as annoying as ever to navigate , but finally reached the bottom and the minotaur boss finally showed up
(https://i.imgur.com/tvl1oj1m.png) (https://i.imgur.com/tvl1oj1.png)
Unfortunately minotaur boss didn't knew how much powerfull a Magic Dart can be when you have it leveled a lot.
(https://i.imgur.com/otL59etm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/otL59et.png)
Was disapointed by the axe of destruction picked on the loot , -35 to hit isn't much great for my melee allies despite the high damage,i prefered to have them keep their more accurate artifact stuff, as their damage was already good and the accuracy at least allowed them to hit regularly.
The boss leaving its figurine and card got my museum rating slightly nicer.
Post by: Blood_Librarian on December 18, 2017, 02:29:55 pm
Post by: Jilladilla on December 18, 2017, 02:45:52 pm
How do you capture a gold bell? or even kill it for that matter, it just seems impossible.Rod of Domination. After Dominating one, give it a bow and arrow, it'll turn them into a monster.
As for killing it, Bells have extreme damage mitigation, and their speed lets them regen any damage you inflict to them.
That said? Throw a Poison, or bottle of Dye at it. Poison shuts down regen and bells have very few HP. It'll kill them near instantly.
Post by: Micro102 on December 18, 2017, 05:09:05 pm
Post by: JimboM12 on December 18, 2017, 05:18:49 pm
found a blessed glass assault rifle and a glass power cell (power cells and bullets are interchangeable) in a minor randomgen dungeon on my way there. truly jure is the most dere of the gods.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 18, 2017, 05:43:37 pm
Post by: beorn080 on December 18, 2017, 06:41:50 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 18, 2017, 07:45:10 pm
Did you allow the files that wanted to overwrite on installing Custom to do so?
Are you running the game with the Custom exe?
Are the scene .hsp files in the same top-level folder as the exe? (They are named scene1.hsp and scene2.hsp)
Post by: beorn080 on December 18, 2017, 07:52:16 pm
To get the obvious out of the way:All three are yes's. It appears to be the same error as when you try to run it without windows 7 compatibility.
Did you allow the files that wanted to overwrite on installing Custom to do so?
Are you running the game with the Custom exe?
Are the scene .hsp files in the same top-level folder as the exe? (They are named scene1.hsp and scene2.hsp)
Post by: Flying Dice on December 18, 2017, 08:45:23 pm
e: LUL
I hammered random rolls a couple times for luck as usual when I genned my current character. Just now noticed something off in the stats.
(https://i.imgur.com/p449fg4.png)
TIL E+C has implemented midget skeletons as a player race. God damn she's malnourished or some shit. And running around with a sword that weighs nearly four times as much as her. I think I'm gonna turn this into a no-mount no-buff-magic run just for the hell of it, since the random background is the "impoverished family of warriors, left to find work" and fits so well already. 4'6" 33lb emaciated samurai child stabbing everyone's shins and eating their corpses.
Post by: RickRollYou2 on December 19, 2017, 01:07:55 am
Does anyone know how to edit attributes? By cheating, of course.
On a side note... the fact that dead pets count towards number of allies is also complete rubbish. :(
Post by: Flying Dice on December 19, 2017, 01:19:21 am
Post by: RickRollYou2 on December 19, 2017, 02:38:17 am
If it's from an etherwind mutation, just get a potion of cure corruption. Easy way is to hit up the casino with single chip bets, all you need is a single 5 win streak, which is dead easy if you know how the dealer works.
Thanks a bunch, that worked and saved me the trouble of cheat engine too.
Post by: Robsoie on December 19, 2017, 07:58:00 am
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How do you capture a gold bell? or even kill it for that matter, it just seems impossible.In my case it was the spell Dominate (i think i got it from a dream sequences, the one in which you recieve a random spell) that thanks to Elona+ new possibility to "attend magic training" for platinium at the guy that can identify items, i had high enough level for it to work.
The spell helped too with the cat quest that required a silver cat (they're rare but can be summoned by the boss from the battle with the cat tamer infestation quest) delivered to one of Palmia citizen.
Now for killing, my character magic dart is so good by now that 1 use is enough (and even better if you run into a silver bell as they leave platinium and small medals ! )
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If it's from an etherwind mutation, just get a potion of cure corruption. Easy way is to hit up the casino with single chip bets, all you need is a single 5 win streak, which is dead easy if you know how the dealer works.Another way to obtain potion of cure corruption (and potion of cure mutation too) is to invest in a magic shop , i have one in the village near the base at level 47 and sometime it has now cure mutation potion, and it happens that it has cure corruption on sales too by now.
Of course it takes a lot of money to get the shops to level , so don't invest in too many shops, focus on one.
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All three are yes's. It appears to be the same error as when you try to run it without windows 7 compatibility.From what i remember some games have trouble running on modern OS if they're not placed in C:\ but are placed somewhere else (like in C:\Program Files ) due to how their file system works with those modern OS data prevention system, maybe Elona is one of those.
So in case you don't have your elona+ folder in C:\ , try to move it there before launching ElonaC.exe
Post by: Flying Dice on December 19, 2017, 08:35:35 am
QuoteAll three are yes's. It appears to be the same error as when you try to run it without windows 7 compatibility.From what i remember some games have trouble running on modern OS if they're not placed in C:\ but are placed somewhere else (like in C:\Program Files ) due to how their file system works with those modern OS data prevention system, maybe Elona is one of those.
So in case you don't have your elona+ folder in C:\ , try to move it there before launching ElonaC.exe
Just my two bits, but I don't think this is so. I run it out of a subfolder deep in my D: drive on Win10 (though obviously in Win7 compatibility mode).
Post by: MCreeper on December 19, 2017, 08:37:28 am
Post by: Blaze on December 19, 2017, 08:56:55 am
It also increases the quality of item drops in a ranch, as you use it on them over time.
Post by: Jilladilla on December 19, 2017, 09:21:21 am
On a side note... the fact that dead pets count towards number of allies is also complete rubbish. :(
Dead pets can be revived with an NPC in towns, with their equipment and everything. So they're not gone for good, don't worry.
Post by: etgfrog on December 19, 2017, 09:22:35 am
It also increases the quality of item drops in a ranch, as you use it on them over time.bonus to this if you have a brush.
Post by: Zangi on December 19, 2017, 11:26:32 am
I don't even run this on compatibility mode, but I have the elona folder on my desktop. ... It might not be windows 10 either. I havn't needed to know in a long time.To get the obvious out of the way:All three are yes's. It appears to be the same error as when you try to run it without windows 7 compatibility.
Did you allow the files that wanted to overwrite on installing Custom to do so?
Are you running the game with the Custom exe?
Are the scene .hsp files in the same top-level folder as the exe? (They are named scene1.hsp and scene2.hsp)
Post by: RickRollYou2 on December 19, 2017, 05:12:43 pm
On a side note... the fact that dead pets count towards number of allies is also complete rubbish. :(
Dead pets can be revived with an NPC in towns, with their equipment and everything. So they're not gone for good, don't worry.
I know, but I was trying to kill off my pets so I could do escort missions/sell some at the slave trader. Ended up just merging them using the gene machine :(
Post by: Flying Dice on December 19, 2017, 06:17:22 pm
That's one way to describe it. (https://i.imgur.com/uuFyGa5.mp4)On a side note... the fact that dead pets count towards number of allies is also complete rubbish. :(
Dead pets can be revived with an NPC in towns, with their equipment and everything. So they're not gone for good, don't worry.
I know, but I was trying to kill off my pets so I could do escort missions/sell some at the slave trader. Ended up just merging them using the gene machine :(
Post by: Flying Dice on December 20, 2017, 12:24:16 am
Post by: Robsoie on December 20, 2017, 08:08:49 am
It was surprisingly a piece of cake, i guess it means my character and allies are ready.
So after going to Lesimas, and beyond the locked stair and the story (elona custom re-adding it) being told every few levels, i run into a mid boss i didn't remembered the last time i went there "Alsapia the murderer mask", maybe it's an Elona+ guy (as the last time i won Lesimas it was the original Elona) but after a short dialogue the fight began and he went down very fast.
What was much more annoying is that in the large room he wasn't alone there were a lot of invisible enemies, and i had no way to see them and stupidly had left all my potions back in my storage room so i couldn't reveal them by throwing randomly potion to make them wet and so reveal them.
So my squad was taking small damage (fortunately) without retaliating.
Fortunately, it's still possible to deal with them by using the target key ( the * key) and aim at a tile, if there's none there, there's a message "you aim at the ground" , but if there's an invisible guy it's "you aim at something" .
There was a bunch of those guys but with the targetting thing i finally managed to get rid of them.
Then on a later level, i ran into an "elec Dragon" , as i was more or less one shotting everything that wasn't an unique or boosted monster, i shot, and again and again, while noticing this "elec Dragon" health was going down extremely slowly, much more slowly than any boss i took down so far.
Then he attacked and one shotted 3 of my 4 allies , letting only me and my powerhouse warrior (the little girl) , and a couple of turns later i was alone vs the elec Dragon.
Unfortunately my roguelike problem appeared :
I mean "there's no way that monster will resist my most powerfull spells, i annihilated everything until then, i sure could teleport away to the stairs at any time and escape unscathed, but that monster MUST die there's no other way"
And my character died.
I came back with my squad and ... we all died again.
Damn, can't believe this single enemy is so much more powerfull than anything my troopers destroyed so far.
Sure i could just avoid easily that elec Dragon as the stairs are not far from each other, but ... you know ... "that monster MUST die there's no other way" :D
Post by: JimboM12 on December 20, 2017, 02:20:15 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 20, 2017, 03:56:44 pm
Post by: JimboM12 on December 20, 2017, 04:24:33 pm
Make sure to buy a rogue wizard from the slave market and use it to gene-splice the Cooking skill onto one of them. If you wake up between dawn and noon after sleeping with an active ally that can cook, they'll wake up early and cook breakfast for you, which bloats the entire party and increases potentials (scaling with Cooking skill). It costs nothing and is one of the keys to keeping your potentials high.
yeah i was considering hiring some new followers anyway. im a proponent of quality over quantity so i don't usually go above 2 or 3 really high level followers but this time i plan on creating a small empire; im talking building ranches and stores and museums around my starter cave.
Post by: Robsoie on December 20, 2017, 10:23:46 pm
After grinding some more and fetching a Platina Bell additional ally with my Domination spell (it was named Silver Bell in regular Elona) and giving it some nice ranged weaponry to go along the Golden Bell amazing crossbow , i used my buffing spells, Cheers ability and Return scroll to get back to my "elec Dragon" nemesis.
The fight was harder, for the Dragon, my ally weren't going down and it was starting to take serious damage, unfortunately the Platina Bell went down but all my other squad members still fought and finally we destroyed the beast.
It was as hard as the Vesda the Fire Dragon fight (boss of the non random dungeon "Dragon Nest" near Derphy) by the time i went there , i guess considering how weaker every enemy was on that Lesimas floor, this was one of those rare boosted enemy (the normal monsters that have much more health and nearly always leave their figurine and card behind along several items when killed).
(https://i.imgur.com/9ncLjuJm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/9ncLjuJ.png)
Funnily it was my Golden Bell that delivered the killing shot
Good to have the figuring coming too, now let's resume the Lesimas cleaning, Zeome is only a dozen floors after that, hopefully this time i'll beat him without having to hire a backup like i did in old Elona a few years ago.
Post by: Micro102 on December 20, 2017, 10:59:22 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 21, 2017, 12:19:51 am
I've never actually manipulated any genes ever. I keep putting it off. I'm worried that it's going to add a wrong limb to one of my main allies and they will be screwed.Just make sure to check the donor tables/donor limb counts. In most circumstances if the donor has the same number of a type of body part as the recipient, no new ones will be added-i.e. if you graft a normal human onto another one, no new limbs. Limb growth comes when the donor has more parts (i.e. putting an asura or horse into a human) or the recipient has fewer (i.e. putting almost anything into a bell).
The only penalties I'm aware of are for having >2 legs through gene engineering or for having >13 body parts in total. As long as you stay away from melding things with >2 legs into ones with 2 or fewer and don't go super crazy slapping things with lots of a single type of body part.
If you're playing on E+C and genuinely worried, there's a menu option to turn on savescum quickloading with F2, nothing wrong with having a safety net while you figure out how the system works. If all you're doing is buying slaves and melting them down to boost up your allies I can't think of anything bad apart from buying slaves that won't give anything because you don't know what they give yet... and they're 1-2k gold a pop, so that's hardly awful.
Post by: Robsoie on December 21, 2017, 07:52:24 pm
But in Elona+ he's not the final goal, only the end of the 1st chapter as Elona+ added much more after him.
Still, my character was ready, i just transformed the little girl ally into a valkyrie after using a recently looted evolution heart on her, and then it was time my character faced him again, the Elona last boss, Zeome !
And here we go old friend , remember last time we defeated you ?
(https://i.imgur.com/SfwlvaSm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/SfwlvaS.png)
Ready, go !
(https://i.imgur.com/VCrruiUm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/VCrruiU.png)
There i was really surprised as it's been only a few turn and despite he's healing himself nearly every turn as it was the case several years ago, he's going down faster than i remembered
(https://i.imgur.com/3rnbOAHm.png) (https://i.imgur.com/3rnbOAH.png)
My Valkyrie ally was the one dealing the killing strike, as she was there since the very beginning, it's nice the honor went to her.
(https://i.imgur.com/2M9L662m.png) (https://i.imgur.com/2M9L662.png)
Overall i was really surprised but how incredibly fast and easy my squad destroyed him without any problems, i guess 4 years ago my squad was either underleveled for that fight or Elona+ toned him down, but still after an elemental scar + debuff, he went down incredibly faster than the "elec Dragon" i was mentionning a few posts ago, i didn't even lost a single teammate , even both bells survived the fight !
Anyways, the south is now available for that 2nd chapter, time to see how they developped it as it's been years i haven't been there but i must say the story that Elona Custom re-added (as the english version of Elona had it removed) was rather disapointing, at first it was promising as it was told regularly along your actions and involved some bastard manipulating everyone, but in the end it wasn't much indepth and rather basic.
But what was the most disapointing is that you don't even meet most of the cast of that story in the world, out of 3 or 4 characters, despite the event happen at the same time of whatever you're doing in places you're visiting.
Even the main antagonist of the story or his lackey are nowhere to be found in the game and Zeome isn't even as important as i thought to the story (in the end he was just a guy left there to guard the book you're after).
At least the game is still fun.
Post by: Patchy on December 22, 2017, 11:04:07 am
Congrats on your Zeome kill, and those lil girls are surprisingly strong pets. Mine was getting pretty dang beastly and was tackling stuff in act 2 with surprising ease as well before I eventually quit. As for Zeome himself, I don't think E+ weakened him any, it's just that the player gets far more powerful far quicker than before.
Post by: Robsoie on December 22, 2017, 10:16:51 pm
As for Zeome himself, I don't think E+ weakened him any, it's just that the player gets far more powerful far quicker than before.
That could be it, i remember in original Elona on the character that i had beaten Zeome with, i had to do an absurd amount of grinding on some offensive spells to have them strong enough to even hurt some of the monsters in lower depths of Lesimas.
And despite those absurd amount of grinding, only those very few spells i had grinded had actual power then, the other spells were underleveled and so completely useless and would have required similar absurd amount of grinding to get them usable vs higher level monsters.
While in Elona+ since you can train spells by batch with enough platinium you can get a rather powerful arsenal of massive Zeome annihilation by the time you think you're ready for him :D
Much more fun this way as you're not forced to use the same spells and can do some variation as all of them can then be leveled roughly for your current needs, and with the higher leveled monsters you get from Elona+ 2nd chapter , that's not even too much power as you'll have to still deal with strong resilient enemies anyways.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 23, 2017, 08:43:57 am
217 speed without magic/consumable buffs at lv32 is really nice, though.
Post by: Sirus on December 24, 2017, 02:51:48 pm
In other news, wow I found what seems like a great shield. A "blessed ocean small shield <Neutral Immortality>". It's made of coral, raises DV by 2 and PV by 4, "maintains" Charisma and Dexterity, improves Axe skill (##), grants resistance to lightning (##), and increases Strength by 2. I'm a level 2 character just going through Puppy Cave.
Post by: JimboM12 on December 24, 2017, 03:57:24 pm
What's the best way to identify things such as potions and scrolls? All the wiki seems to say on the subject is that the Sense Quality skill doesn't do a thing for them.
In other news, wow I found what seems like a great shield. A "blessed ocean small shield <Neutral Immortality>". It's made of coral, raises DV by 2 and PV by 4, "maintains" Charisma and Dexterity, improves Axe skill (##), grants resistance to lightning (##), and increases Strength by 2. I'm a level 2 character just going through Puppy Cave.
That was... pretty lucky. I keep finding the same <unknown shell>, found it 5 times. I had to buy the rest of my stuff, making most of my profit off of scrolls of oricle. I get like 5 if i run thru the puppy cave.
Also, just walk around, they'll identify automatically.
Post by: Niveras on December 24, 2017, 04:14:54 pm
What's the best way to identify things such as potions and scrolls? All the wiki seems to say on the subject is that the Sense Quality skill doesn't do a thing for them.
In other news, wow I found what seems like a great shield. A "blessed ocean small shield <Neutral Immortality>". It's made of coral, raises DV by 2 and PV by 4, "maintains" Charisma and Dexterity, improves Axe skill (##), grants resistance to lightning (##), and increases Strength by 2. I'm a level 2 character just going through Puppy Cave.
Visit the wizard in any town and pay the ~1000 - ~10,000 gold to identify everything in your inventory (or identify a specific item for less). It would be the most convenient method, although a brand new character wouldn't necessarily be able to afford the expense. On the other hand, certain types of items (body parts like eyes) sell for only 1g until they are identified at least once, then you won't need to do so in the future in order to sell them for their normal price (but unidentified parts will still increase the cost to identify your inventory, even if there is no benefit in doing so as these items are never cursed or blessed).
I recall a recent upcoming patch note (in the notes from a few months ago) indicated that Sense Quality was going to help determine the status of non-equipment, but I don't know if I misread the note or if it's been implemented yet.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 24, 2017, 05:23:57 pm
Identify those with the shopkeeper. Static artifact dupes in E+ turn into stardust, a consumable that you use to upgrade artifacts to +15 (as +10 is the cap for blacksmiths).What's the best way to identify things such as potions and scrolls? All the wiki seems to say on the subject is that the Sense Quality skill doesn't do a thing for them.
In other news, wow I found what seems like a great shield. A "blessed ocean small shield <Neutral Immortality>". It's made of coral, raises DV by 2 and PV by 4, "maintains" Charisma and Dexterity, improves Axe skill (##), grants resistance to lightning (##), and increases Strength by 2. I'm a level 2 character just going through Puppy Cave.
That was... pretty lucky. I keep finding the same <unknown shell>, found it 5 times. I had to buy the rest of my stuff, making most of my profit off of scrolls of oricle. I get like 5 if i run thru the puppy cave.
Also, just walk around, they'll identify automatically.
Post by: Sirus on December 24, 2017, 07:06:27 pm
Post by: Jilladilla on December 24, 2017, 07:36:54 pm
Is there any particular trick in dealing with Hungry Demons? I'm a gunner with decent skill and a submachine gun, yet these jerks can dance around my shots, touch me once or twice, and kill me even when Bloated. They, along with Kobolds, are probably the cause of most of my deaths. Thank the gods Elona isn't perma-death.
They're dodgy little jerks, if you aren't using heavy armor or a Medium Armor + Shield equipment loadout, try branching out into magic.
Hungry Demons don't have a lot of hitpoints, so even a low level Magic Dart will take it out in a few hits. Magic never misses, after all. Or use Rods. Magic Device doesn't need an entire set of skills to get started with, and you'll eventually get the Draw Charge/Fill Charge abilities to let you keep your favorite rods topped off (and gives a use to the less useful rods as well). Other than that... I think there is a few tricks you can pull out against hyper-evasive enemies; but none come to mind just yet.
Post by: Niveras on December 24, 2017, 08:01:54 pm
Wait, what version are you on that you're paying thousands of gold to have items identified? Identify All rarely runs over 200g for me, and is next to nothing if I've walked around and passively identified most of it. Oh, and Sense Quality has identified non-equipment items since v1.71.
My memory is a few months out of date so maybe prices changed. I was also estimating based on very, very early game, where every book, scroll, potion, junk item, and equipment are completely unidentified from your first two or three puppy runs. I'm sure I've seen ID all run upwards of that high.
Remember we're talking <level 10, <5 even. Sense Quality won't be high enough to fully ID every equipment (although generally you probably don't want to loot junk equipment anyway - only if you've got a shop, which you won't have that early), and even if you IDed the bonuses but the blessed/normal/cursed status, it will add to the ID All cost.
Post by: Robsoie on December 24, 2017, 09:46:02 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 24, 2017, 10:12:35 pm
There's an active skill called Squeeze that you start with (I think). In addition to hugging your allies, you can use it to death-hug enemies. It costs 10 SP, does fairly low damage, but always hits, so if you can get adjacent to a fast but low HP target you can just use that to crush them to death.Is there any particular trick in dealing with Hungry Demons? I'm a gunner with decent skill and a submachine gun, yet these jerks can dance around my shots, touch me once or twice, and kill me even when Bloated. They, along with Kobolds, are probably the cause of most of my deaths. Thank the gods Elona isn't perma-death.
They're dodgy little jerks, if you aren't using heavy armor or a Medium Armor + Shield equipment loadout, try branching out into magic.
Hungry Demons don't have a lot of hitpoints, so even a low level Magic Dart will take it out in a few hits. Magic never misses, after all. Or use Rods. Magic Device doesn't need an entire set of skills to get started with, and you'll eventually get the Draw Charge/Fill Charge abilities to let you keep your favorite rods topped off (and gives a use to the less useful rods as well). Other than that... I think there is a few tricks you can pull out against hyper-evasive enemies; but none come to mind just yet.
Also try to select gear for to-hit bonuses early on, you need those more than damage until your skills get raised a bit.
Post by: Zangi on December 25, 2017, 12:08:22 am
What's the best way to identify things such as potions and scrolls? All the wiki seems to say on the subject is that the Sense Quality skill doesn't do a thing for them.Errr... what are you guys on? Identifying potions/scrolls still works. Even if Sense Quality doesn't do anything for them specifically.
You don't need to dump oodles of cash identifying potions/scrolls. It'll naturally happen.
Post by: Flying Dice on December 25, 2017, 12:37:37 am
Keep in mind that the wiki is still technically an Elona wiki and a lot of it hasn't been updated past the point where Noa stopped developing the original game. That's why some pages have sections explicitly marked as being for Elona+. Others have information accurate to some version of Elona+, but that can easily still be wrong now because it was last edited five releases ago or something and likely won't be marked as such.
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2017, 12:33:34 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 25, 2017, 01:07:32 pm
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2017, 02:18:06 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 25, 2017, 02:37:08 pm
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2017, 02:54:47 pm
ETA: Wait, no, there she is. So why is a baby dragon following me around? Can I tame it somehow?
Post by: Flying Dice on December 25, 2017, 03:12:36 pm
Speaking of resists, goodness I got lucky. Got mine all filled out with only two at normal, the rest at superb or strong, at only level 36. Mostly because I got a pair of Godly items with excellent resists, an amulet with Magic (###), Nerve (#####), Poison (###), Darkness (##), & gloves with Sound (#####+), Darkness (#####+), Cold (##), and Fire (###). The gloves are just stupidly good all around, they came as Spirit Cloth without needing to use a mat kit, and also have 5-point boosts to STR and DEX atop the material buff to SPD, and their only negative is to Medium Armor.
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2017, 03:18:12 pm
Well, moot point now. Accidentally killed the baby while trying to move past it. I was hoping to merely displace the fella :<
Post by: JimboM12 on December 25, 2017, 05:50:14 pm
I have neither Domination nor a monster ball. Well, I have a monster ball but it's in my house. I die way too often to carry around something like that.
Well, moot point now. Accidentally killed the baby while trying to move past it. I was hoping to merely displace the fella :<
you'll get another one eventually, chin up.
my world domination plan is working slow. does anyone know about town boards; how and why would i become mayor?
Post by: Sirus on December 25, 2017, 08:55:14 pm
When I wake up at home, not only is the curaria gone, but so is the miracle-quality halberd that I most certainly did not drop, which I was also in the process of identifying.
Post by: Jilladilla on December 25, 2017, 10:46:26 pm
If you have to stop and loiter in wilderness areas for whatever; stay at the edge of the map. That way if something shows up that you can't fight you can pack up and bail quickly. Or just cut your losses and bail quickly. Also, Rods of Teleport are your friend! Poof yourself or the thing (if adjacent) away from the danger! (Also also, don't linger too long. If you manually enter a wilderness it'll be safe, but scaled up enemies will start spawning in after a little bit. Leave and re-enter every now and then.)
Also, just be careful in general in temporary maps like Puppy Cave, the risk of losing your valuables forever is a very present risk.
If you want more free storage space, the 2 quest areas in Vernis are 100% stable and safe once you clear them out. You can cram a lot of items there, even before cleaning up all the stray stacks of items that came with the place! (The one with all the Putit's and Slimes only really needs to be mostly clear to use as storage, due to its size.)
For Domination, you can buy a Rod of Domination at Miral and Garok's workshop for Small Medals, it'll only has 4 charges, but that should be enough for one thing easily.
Post by: Zangi on December 26, 2017, 02:40:57 am
Post by: Flying Dice on December 26, 2017, 04:03:23 am
Post by: chaoticag on December 26, 2017, 07:11:01 am
Post by: SirAaronIII on December 26, 2017, 02:21:07 pm
Is it worth rerolling again for this latest version, or should I just update my old save and keep playing?
Post by: Sirus on December 26, 2017, 06:48:06 pm
Post by: Flying Dice on December 26, 2017, 07:35:11 pm
Post by: Blaze on December 29, 2017, 01:23:39 am
My strategy is to snipe from afar while riding on Pascal (a recruitable NPC that doubles as a great mount), while my tag team of Chante (a cute fairy) and Elise (An evolved Young Lady) shreds things behind a wall of skeleton warriors (Coffins of Necromancy).
Chante is set to buff herself with divine wisdom, attack with lightning bolt, and keep her tag team out of danger w/ short teleport and general movement; also set to use harvest mana when low on MP.
Elise starts out with Cheer, casts healing rain when either is low on health, and use her unique potion throw ability.
This were a couple of issues with this tag team to start, since Elise kept missing with her potions (and especially molotovs) and Chante kept running out of MP; but it paid off in the end.
Since Chante handles all the movement, Elise throws potions with almost 100% chance. The now debuffed and wet enemies are easy prey for lightning spells and my ice-damage sniper rifle.
Post by: Zangi on December 29, 2017, 03:07:07 am
Every 5 learning stat or something = 1 more tactic right?
Post by: Flying Dice on December 29, 2017, 08:01:30 am
Have you guys tried using Elona+ Custom's custom AI and Tag Organization abilities? They allow you to make a incredibly powerful party members.
My strategy is to snipe from afar while riding on Pascal (a recruitable NPC that doubles as a great mount), while my tag team of Chante (a cute fairy) and Elise (An evolved Young Lady) shreds things behind a wall of skeleton warriors (Coffins of Necromancy).
Chante is set to buff herself with divine wisdom, attack with lightning bolt, and keep her tag team out of danger w/ short teleport and general movement; also set to use harvest mana when low on MP.
Elise starts out with Cheer, casts healing rain when either is low on health, and use her unique potion throw ability.
This were a couple of issues with this tag team to start, since Elise kept missing with her potions (and especially molotovs) and Chante kept running out of MP; but it paid off in the end.
Since Chante handles all the movement, Elise throws potions with almost 100% chance. The now debuffed and wet enemies are easy prey for lightning spells and my ice-damage sniper rifle.
Do be warned that there's not really a good way to make pets keep their distance from all enemies with the custom AI. The only hostile mob keyword is "target", so they'll gladly run right next to a titan and get pasted to stay out of range of a kobold if they targeted the latter.
Post by: darkflagrance on January 29, 2018, 08:23:01 pm
Spoiler: Screenshot of the victory (click to show/hide)
Here's the album for more information. (https://imgur.com/a/9vPS9)
Of note, the wiki and old threads are full of traps. TRAPS. I had to scour old 4chan threads for up to date info. The Elona discord linked on Reddit or the IRC are probably the only places for cutting edge information. Otherwise, being able to source dive helps.
Post by: Farce on October 02, 2022, 07:32:06 pm
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2135150/Elin/
Things seem... weirdly coherent for being from some Japanese guy.
Post by: Haspen on October 02, 2022, 11:33:44 pm
Post by: Robsoie on October 03, 2022, 04:13:47 am
But i wonder if that Elin will have a similar level of hilarious crazy Elona was filled with.
Post by: Nelia Hawk on October 04, 2022, 08:57:49 am
and i must say this elin sounds (music) and looks (map, characters, ui) and feels very much like elona.
awesome, going to wishlist that and keep an eye on it, as elona was pretty fun ages ago. (never was good at it or beaten it, but i had fun playing it.)
Post by: Folly on October 04, 2022, 09:04:22 am
Post by: Farce on October 05, 2022, 05:06:42 am
I played relatively early on in Elona's life cycle in that it was before he stopped working on it and before modders took over the project I think, but I hope the project doesn't burn because folks start comparing late-life modded Elona to early-life Elin.
Post by: EuchreJack on October 05, 2022, 09:28:10 am
Post by: Robsoie on October 05, 2022, 09:45:29 am
To be fair, the modders mostly implemented the features originally planned by the developer. Anyone know any major changes that were solely the modders?the "hydration" that was added at some point by modders for Elona+.
I disliked it so much that i ceased to follow and play Elona+ and went to the Elona Custom G fork (last i played it was version 1.86 several years ago, no idea if it still continue to update since that time) that had removed that crap.