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I am religious and believe in free will

70 (27.6%)

I am religious and do not believe in free will

10 (3.9%)

I am not religious and believe in free will

113 (44.5%)

I am not religious and do not believe in free will

61 (24%)

Total Members Voted: 249

[penguinofhonor]

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[Bohandas]

Also, what about the converse? If I get into heaven along with a bunch of pushy fundamentalists and now I have to spend eternity among them?

[TD1]

For thinking that you won't get in
 Don't forget, he knows what you're thinking, whether you've been bad or good. You'd better be good, for goodness' sake

Presumably someone in heaven would be amongst at least like minded people, and having God there to answer your questions might result in you sharing the sane ideology.

Though I do get your meaning about people you don't like I would guess the celestial plane would be big ebough to avoid them.

Unless you're waiting in Vardy's Jesus queue.

[origamiscienceguy]

Heaven will be without sin, so you won't have any grudges or rivalries with anyone in there.

[Orange Wizard]

having God there to answer your questions might result in you sharing the sane ideology

Best typo.

[TD1]

Heaven will be without sin, so you won't have any grudges or rivalries with anyone in there.

Humans are one part virtue to ten parts sin. Take away the sin, you don't have humans. Ever read The Wheel of Time Series? If so, liken it to the example given were the Dark One to die.
Also, I am interested in your reply to this

To any heaven believers:
I dote on someone. They are my life and reason to live. I die, go to heaven. As he/she was all I wanted, I'm a bit bummed they're not there. Still I know they must die and join me. Until then, heaven isn't bliss.

When I die, they curse God or somesuch. For this impiety, they are cast into the fiery pits to forever reflect on how bad it was to say that thing that one time.

Given how my contentment is dependent on them, how is heaven heaven without them there?

[Arx]

You forget that God is omnipotent. Assuming heaven is all about infinite bliss, infinity minus some number is still infinity.

[penguinofhonor]

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[Orange Wizard]

That's assuming free will is a thing in the first place. Which, if you were to look back in the thread, has been hotly debated.

[Angle]

Sure, but I assume that if you're positing god and heaven, you're gonna throw free will in their too.

[Orange Wizard]

... what?

[Arx]

So basically you're so distracted by everything else that it's not that important to you anymore?

I understand having infinite sources of bliss or unending bliss, but I don't think he would give up on the free will as soon as you die and force you to be happy.

I don't recall that it actually says anywhere in the Bible that everyone will be super duper happy in heaven. Provided that I'm remembering correctly, you might in that case just not be as happy as the rest.

It also doesn't say anything about being unable to opt-out if you decide younve lived long enough.

Sure, but I assume that if you're positing god ad heaven, you're gonna throw free will in their too.

The illusion of, yes, but the existence of an OOO God automatically invalidates free will.

[Frumple]

Yeah, heaven's always been a thing described t'me as a place where unhappiness can't happen. Not doesn't, or won't, but can't. One of the reasons the chrisitian afterlife is just kinda' unilaterally horrifying to me. Eternity comes with massive forced behavioral modification (or unending torture).

That it's stripping free will is just... glossed over. That kind of, "Oh, but you won't want to be unhappy" sentiment, with little to no concern over why you won't. They care about free will in the denominations around here until they don't, more or less.

Or the whole line where if you're the kind of person that would be distressed by folks burning in hell or whatev', you don't get in.

How scripturally supported those positions are are... questionable. But that's (part of, anyway) how I hear it described by believers in this area.

[penguinofhonor]

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[origamiscienceguy]

It is impossible to explain to someone who has never experienced it. Heaven is the full presence of god. In heaven, everyone from every tongue and every nation will worship the lord. It sounds boring unless you realize how little that is compared to what God has done for you.