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Dwarf Fortress => DF Suggestions => Topic started by: RLS0812 on January 13, 2019, 06:31:54 am

Title: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: RLS0812 on January 13, 2019, 06:31:54 am
It's a pain in the arse to build memorial slabs ... especially when there are a ton of slabs in the fortress.

I would suggest adding the following:

1:  masons can build rock memorials stones, rock tomb stones, and rock monuments
2: under Build menu, add "memorials" tab
3: under the 'memorials' tab have --- 'memorial' ( memorial stone ), 'mausoleum' ( casket +memorial stone +2 blocks ... 2 x 2 area ), 'memorial statue' ( statue + memorial stone ), 'grave site' ( casket + tomb stone ), and 'monument site' ( monument + memorial stone ).
4: the items can be engraved by a stone detailer .

Note: monuments are for marking battle sites, historic locations, and places dwarves died.
 
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: Azerty on January 13, 2019, 04:33:31 pm
Great idea.

I would add dwarves dying outside of the map (outside expedition), to be memorialized in cenotaphs.

I would add cardiotaphs and cephalotaphs too.
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: IndigoFenix on January 14, 2019, 12:52:02 am
It would be nice if the mythgen arc included alternative forms of rites for the dead. Real life has sky burials (feeding the body to vultures) and burials at sea. Oh and can't forget cremation! Or putting the body in a boat and letting it float away. Or setting it on fire. The only real common thread is that there be some ceremony involved.

Maybe burial rites could be generated based on religion spheres.
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: therahedwig on January 14, 2019, 08:08:35 am
Well, the devpage does say this:

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Generated explanations for death, the afterlife and the origins of magic fully integrated into the myth

Given that some of the stories and df talks talk about the afterlife as a plane that can be traveled to, I suspect we'll see 'moving through a portal' or the like as a similar ritual. Like, in real life there's the tradition to put coins on people's eyes, so people can pay Charon to travel to the underworld.

There's also a ton of anti-vampire and night-creature measures too! In my country for example you had to cover mirrors, and close doors and windows to avoid an evil spirit from entering the empty body. Not to mention things like wakes, covering the body in wrappings, or a time limit on when the body should be buried.
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: Sarmatian123 on January 14, 2019, 08:24:55 am
I would go for special coffins/sarcophagus for blinking historic dead monsters and non-dwarves. It could be used for fortress fame somehow.
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: therahedwig on January 14, 2019, 10:45:56 am
I was thinking, maybe then also huge funerals for important figures?

Like, a huge festival because the forgotten beast got killed, or a huge funeral to a dead king, or a mass funeral for sieges gone wrong. Attending funerals could give a huge stress-relief(which dwarves absolutely need).

That way, such huge events have an ingame impact beyond 'tantrum spiral'... I was also partially inspired by the bodyguards suggestion: Assassinations will have a lot more oomph to them beyond 'urist mcbaron was found dead' if there's a huge funeral to go with it.
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: SixOfSpades on January 14, 2019, 02:46:05 pm
Quote from: Azerty on January 13, 2019, 04:33:31 pm
I would add dwarves dying outside of the map (outside expedition), to be memorialized in cenotaphs.
Also worth specifying is the ability to memorialize multiple dwarves per slab, especially if they all died in the same war / siege / megabeast rampage / plague / etc. It would probably have to be a much nicer memorial than most other basic slabs, but better that than having to erect 30 of the damn things.


Quote from: IndigoFenix on January 14, 2019, 12:52:02 am
It would be nice if the mythgen arc included alternative forms of rites for the dead. Real life has sky burials (feeding the body to vultures) and burials at sea.
You might be interested in the old Funerary Rites (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=165442.0) thread.
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: FantasticDorf on January 15, 2019, 06:37:46 pm
Quote from: SixOfSpades on January 14, 2019, 02:46:05 pm
Also worth specifying is the ability to memorialize multiple dwarves per slab, especially if they all died in the same war / siege / megabeast rampage / plague / etc. It would probably have to be a much nicer memorial than most other basic slabs, but better that than having to erect 30 of the damn things.

It might have to be a constantly maintained thing however if its a ongoing conflict, connecting to a particular event and updating itself with re-requesting that a engraver comes and updates it until it runs out of room (say 20-30 name spaces at player discretion)

A entire squads history of losing their members, with a dedicated squadron cenotaph.

Spoiler: "WW1 Memorial Cenotaph, basic aesthetically but has a strong emotional charge" (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: More Ways To Remember Dead Dwarves
Post by: Iduno on January 30, 2019, 11:36:43 pm
Memorializing a large-scale attack with one memorial (larger, more complicated slab?) would be useful and fitting.

I'd also like some way to convince dwarves that the best way to show respect to the dead is to loot the body re-distribute their possessions to remember the fallen by then chuck the corpse into the magma return them to Armok's blood.