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Title: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on July 26, 2021, 06:27:37 pm
This thread may only be used to say things which almost everybody agrees with and won't really spark any discussion.
If you accidentally spark an argument (spurred by somebody disagreeing in good faith and not just shitposting in order to break this rule) then you have failed the thread's premise and lose one imaginary untracked point!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: nenjin on July 26, 2021, 06:42:18 pm
I find the very idea of untracked points controversial.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on July 26, 2021, 06:44:43 pm
I don't disagree, yet your bringing up the topic is itself a point of contention for me, so -1 point for you!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: wierd on July 26, 2021, 07:10:38 pm
I rather enjoy eating food. :)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: None on July 26, 2021, 07:23:03 pm
i do not enjoy eating food and would relinquish the requirement given the chance

here, my untracked internet point, i surrender it
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on July 26, 2021, 08:41:34 pm
No None, you don't lose a point but Wierd does for posting something insufficiently uncontroversial.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on July 26, 2021, 09:41:17 pm
Those points weren't controversial, though? Enjoying eating food and wanting the requirement to eat food gone are different tracks!

... anyway, it'd be a nicer world if no one had to worry about starvation, involuntary homelessness, or preventable disease. Pretty sure that's about as "no shit" as it gets.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on July 26, 2021, 09:49:25 pm
Tomato sauce on pizza.  Every other component of pizza is controversial in some way, and cheese-sauces are sometimes preferred, but a seasoned tomato base is uncontroversial.

(I kept thinking "but mushrooms? or spinach?" and having to remember that mushrooms can be "icky" and spinach is too bitter for some people.  I think some people even dislike green peppers!)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: George_Chickens on July 26, 2021, 10:12:03 pm
Tomato sauce on pizza.  Every other component of pizza is controversial in some way, and cheese-sauces are sometimes preferred, but a seasoned tomato base is uncontroversial.

(I kept thinking "but mushrooms? or spinach?" and having to remember that mushrooms can be "icky" and spinach is too bitter for some people.  I think some people even dislike green peppers!)
I am OUTRAGED by this when barbecue sauce or creme fresche are both superior.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on July 26, 2021, 10:23:57 pm
And I think that cheese sauces like alfredo are almost always best for my taste, yet tomato sauces and marinaras are fine and uncontroversial~
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on July 27, 2021, 02:56:22 am
I am also some one that likes to eat food, and alfredo pizza, but I also like tomato based sauce.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: methylatedspirit on July 27, 2021, 03:18:07 am
Being able to make choices in life is a good thing.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on July 27, 2021, 04:02:23 am
I would honestly rather have had somebody tell me what to do with myself.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: voliol on July 27, 2021, 04:06:41 am
If you don't sleep enough, you won't feel well.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: wierd on July 27, 2021, 06:00:08 am
Nope, sorry, that is also controversial.  See, if you got enough sleep, you would need more time to have your social and personal-growth needs met, and that is time you are not spent slaving at your desk making your boss money, you selfish, lazy, and worthless human.

Conversely, every night you get insufficient sleep, you literally poison your brain with toxic metabolites that arent being flushed out, so you are giving yourself neurodegenerative diseases.


As you can see, "Get enough sleep so you feel good" is actually quite controversial.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Bumber on July 27, 2021, 06:05:33 am
Air and water are okay in reasonable amounts.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on July 27, 2021, 09:37:25 am
Lagom is best
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on July 27, 2021, 01:10:13 pm
Water is wet. Not just the things that touch it.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on July 27, 2021, 05:55:14 pm
About that... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Caz on July 27, 2021, 06:36:26 pm
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: JoshuaFH on July 27, 2021, 08:24:58 pm
Garfield is a cat.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Ziusudra on July 27, 2021, 09:38:57 pm
Is a fiction of a thing really the thing?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: None on July 27, 2021, 10:58:41 pm
garfield is a fictional cat, then
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on July 28, 2021, 01:21:05 am
Blue is a colour, and the sky is that colour.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Ziusudra on July 28, 2021, 02:05:23 am
The sky is black with tiny white dots.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on July 28, 2021, 07:37:34 am
It's a kaleidoscope of multicolored blobs with sprites and sky snakes flitting around it, on a backdrop of varied colors including the mess people seem to call blue!

... visual consensus is a odd one, tbh, since the lived experience for the folks saying the agreed upon word may actually be wildly different. From what I understand, most folks' "blue" (nor their other colors, for that matter) isn't constantly moving around, ferex. Other folks (and especially non-humans!) have various sorts of color blindness or other non-<human baseline> visual states. Etc., etc., etc.

Color in general and the interactions between visual experience, consensus, and reality, in particular, just isn't actually uncontroversial, least as far as I've (heh) seen. Not difficult to live your life without ever actually noticing the frisson exists, but it definitely does.

e: also the word is "color", tell a friend, down with the extraneous U!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: McTraveller on July 28, 2021, 07:58:58 am
Blue is a colour, and the sky is that colour.

Uncontroversial, but underspecified: What planet? Dawn? Dusk? Midnight? Latitude / presence of aurorae? Cloud cover / humidity? How much particulate matter?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Vector on July 28, 2021, 05:53:11 pm
About that... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water)

no
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: voliol on July 28, 2021, 05:55:48 pm
Imsorryjohn has me doubting that Garfield is a cat. More than him being the founder of the World Juggling Federation and the original creator of Magic: The Gathering already did.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on July 28, 2021, 06:46:45 pm
... just to check, is there something going on with dry water that isn't immediately obvious? Literally all I remember about it is it's a fun thing to reference when someone says water is wet.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: None on July 28, 2021, 07:58:42 pm
watern't
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on July 28, 2021, 08:10:21 pm
dry water: wet not dry
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on July 28, 2021, 08:15:28 pm
climate change dried up all the wet water smh
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on July 29, 2021, 04:05:35 am
You can't get blood from a stone.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on July 29, 2021, 05:29:08 am
That's what a pyura chilensis would say, I got an eye on you Zultan, you're pretty sus.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: hops on August 03, 2021, 11:02:47 am
we all love the all-seeing eye
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Magmacube_tr on August 03, 2021, 03:22:07 pm
No, no one wants to play League Of Legends with you. No one.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: None on August 03, 2021, 07:42:30 pm
younger me would have

midlane my veigar bro
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Sebastian2203 on August 05, 2021, 02:13:06 pm
Any topic can be uncontroversial if you are brave enough.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 05, 2021, 04:13:12 pm
Any topic can be uncontroversial if you are brave enough.

This runs into the "A Set of All Sets Must Contain Itself" kinda problem. If any topic can be controversial if you're brave enough, then this topic too is controversial, but if it's controversial, then it cannot be a "Uncontroversial Idea".
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on August 05, 2021, 05:30:14 pm
Cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on August 06, 2021, 04:32:33 am
Is dirt controversial?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 06, 2021, 04:43:39 am
Is dirt controversial?
LOAMY SOIL GANG GANG
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Sebastian2203 on August 10, 2021, 08:45:42 am
Why is forum necromancy controversial
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 10, 2021, 09:30:15 am
Why is forum necromancy controversial
It can get out of hand very quickly, like an undead cascade
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: feelotraveller on August 10, 2021, 06:51:14 pm
Cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am)

What do you mean by 'I"?  And are the two uses in the above quotation really equivalent?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on August 10, 2021, 07:04:37 pm
Why is forum necromancy controversial
Mostly because it gives people false hope of meaningful new activity. It's a fairly major poke to the eye to see a well liked thread that had fallen off due to inactivity pop back up with a new post, and it turns out it's just some random asshole bumping it with nothing of substance to bring up. Folks tend to dislike that, some rather intensely.

Necros that do actually add something of substance -- news of a new development, actual discussion or non-trivial question, or whatever -- generally aren't nearly as frowned upon, and can often even be appreciated, but the other sort is very much disliked.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 11, 2021, 12:04:09 am
Is dirt controversial?
LOAMY SOIL GANG GANG
Different plants grow better on different soil types, so if you could talk to plants, you might hear them talk about why their soil type is better than the other soil types.I do not know if this answered your question or not
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on August 11, 2021, 01:21:50 am
Oh shit I just realized that if you try hard enough EVERYTHING CAN BE CONTROVERSIAL!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on August 11, 2021, 01:26:28 am
Oh shit I just realized that if you try hard enough EVERYTHING CAN BE CONTROVERSIAL!

This may be the only uncontroversial thing in this thread.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 11, 2021, 03:32:44 am
Oh shit I just realized that if you try hard enough EVERYTHING CAN BE CONTROVERSIAL!
Not really...
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 11, 2021, 07:34:23 am
Water is essential for life as we currently know it
If this is controversial, name a real organism that doesn’t require water. I said life as we know currently, fire type or ghost type pimemon are not counting since they’re fictional
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on August 11, 2021, 11:35:44 am
There aren't any that we know of, right now, so far as I'm aware, yeah.

It's thought to be possible under certain circumstances (some of the moons further out in the solar system might have them, ferex), though, we just don't have access to said circumstances to, y'know. Check. Yet, anyway.

It's fairly likely to fall under a similar category of (un)controversy as "there are no egg laying mammals" used to, basically.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on August 11, 2021, 03:17:43 pm
Water is essential for life as we currently know it
If this is controversial, name a real organism that doesn’t require water. I said life as we know currently, fire type or ghost type pimemon are not counting since they’re fictional

what about viruses :^)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Eric Blank on August 11, 2021, 03:45:12 pm
Most believe viruses don't count as living beings in and of themselves, because they do not consume nutrients or energy, reproduce, or react to their environment. If they're not in a suitable "host" organism, in contact with infectable tissues, they're effectively inanimate.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on August 11, 2021, 04:41:33 pm
Cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am)

What do you mean by 'I"?  And are the two uses in the above quotation really equivalent?
I suppose "I" is a mind (or person?) described by the phrase "it me".  There are a lot of notable things the statement doesn't claim.  It doesn't claim that that the subject is human (or even capable of speech or any form of communication).  It doesn't claim that other minds exist (or are truly apart), leading to countless solipsists and omnisoul believers.

It is dependent on the subject actually thinking though.  A fictional character can speak the phrase, and be described as a great thinker, but they do not actually think.  (Lots of things exist without thinking, but fictional characters do not.  Characters who are thought to be fictional might exist, though, in which case they are not truly fictional)

Still, I thought (or did I?) of a less controversial version to satisfy the most pedantic solipsist:
You think, therefore you are.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on August 11, 2021, 04:45:16 pm
I think... not.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: JoshuaFH on August 11, 2021, 04:54:20 pm
This is a controversial idea: "This is a controversial idea."
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: McTraveller on August 11, 2021, 05:13:45 pm
This is a controversial idea: "This is a controversial idea."

* A wild Gödel has appeared! *
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on August 11, 2021, 05:36:17 pm
I think... not.
You're only proving my point!!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 11, 2021, 05:42:09 pm
This is a controversial idea: "This is a controversial idea."

* A wild Gödel has appeared! *
What is a Godel? What typing is it?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on August 11, 2021, 07:39:12 pm
Godel's this guy. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_G%C3%B6del) Typing... psychic/steel, I guess? Probably fits pretty well for a logician/mathematician philosopher. Stupidly bloody influential, as such things go.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: McTraveller on August 11, 2021, 07:52:33 pm
Preview Edit:  NINJA'D! (because I was too slow writing up the spoiler...)  :o

Kurt Gödel (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Gödel)

Also, TIL that ö is a valid character in a URL!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 11, 2021, 08:03:55 pm
What did the new character in the url take you to?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: feelotraveller on August 12, 2021, 12:10:01 am
Cogito ergo sum (I think, therefore I am)

What do you mean by 'I"?  And are the two uses in the above quotation really equivalent?
I suppose "I" is a mind (or person?) described by the phrase "it me".  There are a lot of notable things the statement doesn't claim.  It doesn't claim that that the subject is human (or even capable of speech or any form of communication).  It doesn't claim that other minds exist (or are truly apart), leading to countless solipsists and omnisoul believers.

It is dependent on the subject actually thinking though.  A fictional character can speak the phrase, and be described as a great thinker, but they do not actually think.  (Lots of things exist without thinking, but fictional characters do not.  Characters who are thought to be fictional might exist, though, in which case they are not truly fictional)

Still, I thought (or did I?) of a less controversial version to satisfy the most pedantic solipsist:
You think, therefore you are.

A thought happens, other than the seductions of language* how and why is an "I" imputed, and what exactily is "it"?  Even if the "I" can be sufficiently characterised and supported as necessary**, is that the same thing as an ongoing exisitential coherence, since the thought that gives rise (possibly...) to its neccesity is pretty much instantaneous?

* The scope is pre-language, pre-communication, as you have noted.

** I'm not sure it can, not everything has to adhere to a subject; rather this "I" is a high level concept/organisation which imports a shit ton of stuff, exactly what is not wanted in such a fundamental statement.

(There are other solid crticisms of the historical phrase, for example that it sets up or presupposes a rigourous mind-body dualism which - all the King's horses and all the King's men, couldn't put Humpty together again... shit wait - which Descartes has trouble explaining the interaction of, see in particular the correspondence with Princess Elizabeth of Bohemia.)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on August 12, 2021, 02:39:35 am
Potato!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 12, 2021, 04:29:19 am
This is a controversial idea: "This is a controversial idea."
"Ce n'est pas une idée controversée"
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: feelotraveller on August 12, 2021, 07:10:16 am
Potato!

Non, il est la pomme de terre.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on August 12, 2021, 09:59:05 am
"Je ne pense pas donc je suis"

Ceci est une patate.


Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 12, 2021, 11:20:51 am
"I do not think therefore I follow" This is a fistpunch.
I thought this is a thrall
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on August 12, 2021, 11:30:43 am
Did I just get thralled?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on August 12, 2021, 12:01:11 pm
Thread update: Everybody is a million points in debt, the feds are threatening to merge us with the controversial ideas thread due to lack of profit. You guys had better figure out a way to earn points, fast.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: George_Chickens on August 12, 2021, 12:29:48 pm
Thread update: Everybody is a million points in debt, the feds are threatening to merge us with the controversial ideas thread due to lack of profit. You guys had better figure out a way to earn points, fast.
I put on my robe and wizard hat and cast level 999 cash of the ancients.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 12, 2021, 12:46:35 pm
Thread update: Everybody is a million points in debt, the feds are threatening to merge us with the controversial ideas thread due to lack of profit. You guys had better figure out a way to earn points, fast.

You fool

I already quit a week ago and collected my massive severance package.  I don't care that my decisions caused all this!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on August 12, 2021, 01:25:10 pm
4 limbs is an ideal amount of limbs for a contemporary human with no bodymods that isn't a paralympian or aspires to

no matter it's topology we can at least agree that the earth is circular

9 comes after 8, and spring comes after winter

shadows exist, and so do smells

fire is too hot to touch directly

cranes lift things, that is until they release them

under the right conditions gras tends to grow

the majority of humans speaks at least one language

glas jars are commonly used to store food items

buckets are a lot less effective at transporting liquids if they have a hole or a fissure

there exist several different methods to convey the same information

games are a recreational activity and should be threated as such

it is fair to assume that anteaters prefer to eat ants

sometimes people get bored, but other times they don't

there exist colours that share their name with a plant or it's fruit

shoes are something to put between the ground and your feet if you feel so inclined



What happened? Did I do it? Am I a truthteller now? Are you proud daddy?

Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 12, 2021, 01:37:12 pm
As a contemporary human not aspiring to be an Olympian, I would prefer to have more arms and legs, the more arms and legs one has, the more tasks can be done simultaneously, such as holding more than 2 beakers of chemicals, or mixing chemicals with two hands while using two more to plant a seed while using two more to prep a microscope, the extra legs would be useful for walking longer distances without getting tired, or if regeneration is a thing we could do, which I would like, one could cut off a limb to grow specific pathogens and then grow a fresh leg back, thus not putting the rest of my body in danger of being infected by said pathogen
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on August 12, 2021, 01:43:30 pm
I do agree with that sentiment but unfortunately there currently exist next to no clothes, vehicles, public transportations, toilets etc to accomodate such a body.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: ChairmanPoo on August 12, 2021, 02:40:57 pm
that idea also discriminates amputee fetishists who think people are already overbooked with limbs anyway. Thus making it controversial.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 12, 2021, 02:46:27 pm
I’m curious what their logic is, there are many tasks that either require multiple limbs or would be more efficient when done with multiple limbs. I suppose balancing on one leg would be possible if the leg was moved to the center of the pelvis rather than to the side, though locomotion would require hopping, which would likely be more tiring than walking with two or more limbs. I don’t think insects or spiders get tired from walking, though I may be wrong…do spiders sleep?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 12, 2021, 04:02:54 pm
Uncontroversial idea: ever since the dawn of man, gravity has weighed on his heart
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on August 12, 2021, 10:10:17 pm
Except when it sorta' didn't, likely involving high speeds in odd directions and/or space shenanigans. Gravity probably lifted up the hearts of the dudes going to land on the moon, for a little bit!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on August 12, 2021, 10:14:33 pm
Uncontroversial idea: ever since the dawn of man, gravity has weighed on his heart

Man has not evolved one step beyond the primordial ooze that spawned him.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 12, 2021, 10:21:21 pm
Uncontroversial idea: ever since the dawn of man, gravity has weighed on his heart

Man has not evolved one step beyond the primordial ooze that spawned him.
Said primordial ooze was probably nuclei acids and phospholipids and ribosomes and such before they became members Ed and parts of cells, also ribosomes are essentially long RNA complexes that make proteins, which I find fascinating
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Laterigrade on August 12, 2021, 11:02:15 pm
Uncontroversial idea: ever since the dawn of man, gravity has weighed on his heart

Man has not evolved one step beyond the primordial ooze that spawned him.
git that controversial idea right outta here, sir
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 12, 2021, 11:41:25 pm
Uncontroversial idea: ever since the dawn of man, gravity has weighed on his heart

Man has not evolved one step beyond the primordial ooze that spawned him.
git that controversial idea right outta here, sir
Evolution is more of a gradient, not steps, so he’s right in a way
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on August 13, 2021, 03:37:12 am
Evolution is controversial to some people, there for it doesn't belong here!

Also the Earth is obviously a square!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 13, 2021, 03:48:56 am
Evolution is controversial to some people, there for it doesn't belong here!

Also the Earth is obviously a square!
Just because you think circles=triangles doesn’t make shapes controversial, by this same vein, just because some people don’t understand heredity doesn’t mean evolution is fake or controversial. Also, if the Earth is as you say, a square, do you know how wide that square would have to be? And how shallow the ground would be? If you think the Earth has corners, wouldn’t you be better off saying it had infinite corners? And thus, no corners, thus making it a spheroid, like it actually is? We know the shape of the Earth is a spheroid, with it being very slightly wider at the equator than it would be if it was a perfect sphere due to…rotation speed, I think? The “controversy” if it could be called that, is whether such a shape has no corners or infinitely many corners
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on August 13, 2021, 07:04:36 am
Also the Earth is obviously a square!

That was earth in the closed alpha, we used to say the earth is fair and square. But if if you want reminisce about that I advise to take the discussion to the gold member section.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 13, 2021, 11:16:40 am
Why are squares the fair shape? They have 4 equal sides, but so do equilateral triangles, and regular polygons of more than 4 sides as well
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on August 13, 2021, 11:29:55 am
These were just simpler times, earth wasn't feature complete yet. Nowadays I'm ashamed to admit that I've ever been a backer of this project. The devs take no feedback and the community is super toxic.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Bumber on August 13, 2021, 05:23:13 pm
under the right conditions gras tends to grow

These conditions may involve forced-feeding.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Fluffe9911 on August 13, 2021, 05:25:27 pm
I think dwarf fortress is a good game
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on August 13, 2021, 05:28:17 pm
I think dwarf fortress is a good game
I think dwarf fortress is good
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on August 14, 2021, 02:42:25 am
Also the Earth is obviously a square!

That was earth in the closed alpha, we used to say the earth is fair and square. But if if you want reminisce about that I advise to take the discussion to the gold member section.
But I can't afford to a gold member subscription.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Naturegirl1999 on August 14, 2021, 02:53:25 am
Also the Earth is obviously a square!

That was earth in the closed alpha, we used to say the earth is fair and square. But if if you want reminisce about that I advise to take the discussion to the gold member section.
But I can't afford to a gold member subscription.
Oh don’t worry, get the silver one instead, you readily receive more electricity and thieves are less likely to come to your house since go,d players pay more and are thus assumed to be richer
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Magmacube_tr on September 24, 2021, 11:41:28 am
No, no one wants to play CSGO with you, either.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: voliol on September 24, 2021, 03:35:11 pm
I think dwarf fortress is a good game
Is Dwarf Fortress merely a game?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on September 24, 2021, 03:38:04 pm
Yes, DF is a game.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: JoshuaFH on September 24, 2021, 05:21:45 pm
But is it tho?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on September 24, 2021, 05:37:41 pm
Quote from: DF official website
Dwarf Fortress is a single-player fantasy game.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on September 25, 2021, 02:59:55 am
But is it tho?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on October 03, 2021, 08:11:00 pm
Seinfeld is on Netflix now, and the first two episodes are very funny.  I like Kramer.

It's even a lot less problematic than I expected?  There's some "women be like this", but those are textually stereotypes belied by Seinfeld's actual behavior, and then there occasional subtle jokes like Art Vandelay the Import/Exporter.

Point is, I can see why this became a cultural touchstone just a *little* before my time.  Because everyone loved it.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 03, 2021, 08:39:25 pm
I'unno... part of it was less that everyone loved it, and more that there wasn't much better on. The blessing of minimal expectations, or something like that.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 03, 2021, 09:14:13 pm
is milk controversial? the liquid that is. I humbly submit it to the thread.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on October 03, 2021, 09:28:24 pm
is milk controversial? the liquid that is. I humbly submit it to the thread.

tbf the majority of the world is lactose intolerant.

I will say you cannot use plant!milk for instant pudding, it won't thicken.  I also opt for real milk when making stroganoff Hamburger Helper.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Ziusudra on October 03, 2021, 10:04:02 pm
Dairy cows are a major source of greenhouse gasses. 1 (https://www.ars.usda.gov/news-events/news/research-news/2011/how-dairy-farms-contribute-to-greenhouse-gas-emissions/)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 04, 2021, 01:15:54 am
Dairy cows are also a major source of milk!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on October 04, 2021, 07:27:53 am
I mean yeah it's fairly controversial that like half of the biomass of all mammals is cows, that we keep pregnant throughout their life, to flood the market with a heavily subsidized product that isn't all that precious in your diet besides maybe a few slices of cheese and a creamy sauce a day. There is layers of controversy here hell there is even white supremacists groups that drink milk as a symbol, because caucasian types tend to be less lactose intolerant statistically.

Sorry to ruin milk, I don't even get angry at milk like a good controversy but it is what it is.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 04, 2021, 08:42:34 am
Commence the milk wars
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on October 04, 2021, 12:34:44 pm
I mean yeah it's fairly controversial that like half of the biomass of all mammals is cows, that we keep pregnant throughout their life, to flood the market with a heavily subsidized product that isn't all that precious in your diet besides maybe a few slices of cheese and a creamy sauce a day. There is layers of controversy here hell there is even white supremacists groups that drink milk as a symbol, because caucasian types tend to be less lactose intolerant statistically.

Sorry to ruin milk, I don't even get angry at milk like a good controversy but it is what it is.
Yeah this.
I enjoy cheese on occasion, but hoo yeah milk is controversial as heck.  Or as meat, really.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 04, 2021, 01:54:11 pm
milk

milk man bad... okay, then I submit... uh, traditionally fired bricks? They're a good building material and not too bad for the environment to produce!


//Discourse addition//
Also, wouldn't animal husbandry just be bad in general? The amount of land needed to raise and graze cattle specifically is insane... not to mention that cows are friend-shaped and many farms are pretty nasty (but I guess thats the nature of farming in many cases)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: ChairmanPoo on October 04, 2021, 02:33:06 pm
You shouldn't eat poop, unless you have a strong preference to do so and are able to make legal decisions.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 04, 2021, 05:43:37 pm
Or if it's medically necessary!

Though I think they don't apply it orally in that case, usually? Sometimes you need some put in you for some reason or another, though. Doc'll figure it out at that point, probably...
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: martinuzz on October 04, 2021, 05:50:57 pm
I'd wager that poop transplantations are done anally, not orally.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on October 04, 2021, 05:58:11 pm
I'd argue that even if medically necessary, fecal transplantation isn't uncontroversial. I mean, it's the right idea, but there's probably lots of people who'd object to it.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Gentlefish on October 04, 2021, 07:37:11 pm
I'd wager that poop transplantations are done anally, not orally.

Fun fact it's actually frozen fecal pills that are typically ingested. It's wack.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Iduno on October 04, 2021, 07:45:35 pm
I'd wager that poop transplantations are done anally, not orally.

I don't know, I've seen a documentary online...
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Ziusudra on October 04, 2021, 09:19:26 pm
//Discourse addition//
Also, wouldn't animal husbandry just be bad in general? The amount of land needed to raise and graze cattle specifically is insane... not to mention that cows are friend-shaped and many farms are pretty nasty (but I guess thats the nature of farming in many cases)
Not necessarily. 1st, much of the land that cattle are raised on is not really suitable for much else - either because the soil is wrong, the rain isn't reliable, or because the hail storms are reliable. 2nd, much of our fertile farm land that we do grow crops on were made that way by great herds of ruminants and vast flocks of birds - and our constant mono-culture farming of that land is not sustainable even with "fertilizer". Ideally, we should renew those lands the same way nature created them.

Then there is the issue that with too much of the land we farm crops on, we can only do so by pumping water out of the ground - which also unsustainable.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 05, 2021, 01:19:59 am
New uncontroversial idea is that no matter what we do we are completely fucked!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on October 05, 2021, 04:50:57 am
Should've stayed a virgin
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: McTraveller on October 05, 2021, 11:06:39 am
No individual should be allowed to have/control more than 200 man-years of median income as total wealth.  (That amounts to only about $12M US.)

Organizations can have more than that if it is controlled by a proportional number of people; that is, you need at least one person per $12M.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on October 05, 2021, 11:19:33 am
So you want to abolish anything less than direct democracy? Your organization exception sounds like a giant loophole screaming abuse me.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Gentlefish on October 05, 2021, 12:47:09 pm
So you want to abolish anything less than direct democracy? Your organization exception sounds like a giant loophole screaming abuse me.

Nah, so long the workplaces are democratic (ie union-controlled and not beholden to outside stockholders) it'll work fine.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on October 05, 2021, 01:09:40 pm
So direct democracy anywhere except not necessarely the ballot box?


I grew freaking tired of my favourite lefty youtubers gone haggled down to uphold unions as the bullwark of the working class, now that any kind of big change is out of the picture. Unions are a valuable institution, I'm not denying that. But when yankees talk about those "good paying union jobs" all of these have something other in common than just unions: high qualification levels and more often than not vital to the infrastructure.

Over here most people are"unionized",I pay union fees too. Once they got me back a few thousand bucks in salary from some conman who went bankrupt for like the fifth time. That's what they do over here: amend the worst kinds of abuses after the facts. But they're like the least probable to instigate real change, completly hinging on old labor law acquirements making them very myopic. Technocracy beats unionisation. And by technocracy I mean EU parlament style parlamentarianism that makes everything too complicated for those without armies of lawyers, not automatisation.




edit, a little bit more context: See over here there is parts of the national labor agency's work being outsourced to unions, unless you want to fill out more paperwork yourself to submit to a more hostile institution you are going to have the payments of your unemployment insurance handled by the unions, eventhough they take member fees of around 30€ a quarteryear IIRC, maybe halfyear. The unemployment service makes up the bulk of their work. It's why I came in contact with unions more or less as soon I turned 18. So in the last 12 years, not once that I went, the folks working there weren't talking to me from behind a mountain of official documents. One "franchise" closed a few years back, so now a 20km radius all flock to the same buro. And their opening hours kept constantly regressing, they now open 3,5 times a week: two times four hours one weekday, two times four hours another weekday but in the afternoon it's only legal services, unemployment service is closed. You can show up 20 minutes before the opening time, and still find yourself standing in line. If you show up in the waiting room 45 minutes before break or closure, you probably won't get your turn.


Also as to the actual topic currently in this thread: I'm actually for that kind of suggestion, 12millions is even about the amount I'd have suggested, if that happens to coincide with 200 years of median income that's actually neat. We can start with 100 years of median income and gradually adjust as things unfuck up. Just that the way you formulated it, I had like images of special management interest organizations popping up, where the CEO and his lackeys all have an organisation to themselves dedicated to their welfare, and everybody in that special club is just member of all of the other CEO&lackey welfare organisations.

re-edit: man I have weird idiosynchracies in what spelling I choose, sometimes spelling the same word both in british and in american in the same sentence.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 05, 2021, 05:05:44 pm
re-edit: man I have weird idiosynchracies in what spelling I choose, sometimes spelling the same word both in british and in american in the same sentence.
If it makes you feel any better, sometimes I do that, too. It's usually an intentional thing, though.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on October 05, 2021, 05:59:17 pm
Y'all talking controversial ideas in my thread? Shoo.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 05, 2021, 06:53:56 pm
Incontrovertible
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 06, 2021, 03:27:00 am
There are controversies in the uncontroversial thread and I feel this is controversial!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on October 06, 2021, 03:29:20 am
then you should stop, because this is the uncontroversial ideas thread.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Magmacube_tr on October 16, 2021, 03:11:09 am
then you should stop, because this is the uncontroversial ideas thread.

And that is a uncontroversial idea, too!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 16, 2021, 05:53:36 pm
Has anyone ever opposed sliced bread before?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 16, 2021, 08:38:59 pm
Has anyone ever opposed sliced bread before?

The bread takes great offense at being sliced.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: lemon10 on October 16, 2021, 09:20:23 pm
Has anyone ever opposed sliced bread before?
I can guarantee you that some bakers out there have complained about big bread putting small bakers like them out of business with this new fangled sliced bread.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on October 17, 2021, 12:29:48 am
But it's the best idea since-!
uh
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 17, 2021, 01:22:55 am
Egg!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on October 17, 2021, 01:56:20 am
We need to protect the egg.
Our future survival is dependent on us serving the egg.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on October 17, 2021, 02:15:58 am
Pre-sliced bread makes people lazy and complacent
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 17, 2021, 02:47:26 am
We need to protect the egg.
Our future survival is dependent on us serving the egg.
But a controversy might arise because our choice of how to prepare the egg!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 17, 2021, 05:02:16 am
Pre-sliced bread makes people lazy and complacent
I can imagine someone at some point has said this but I've yet to encounter one. Even those I know who prefer slicing their own bread, have not found any issue with sliced bread. One day perhaps I will seek out and find this person who dwells in whole loaves
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Imic on October 17, 2021, 08:36:26 am
Bread

... Is tasty.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 17, 2021, 10:45:07 am
Has anyone ever opposed sliced bread before?
They definitely did back when it was first introduced, and has since caught more specific shade when it firmly became part of lower income diets. There's folks out there, right now, that will turn their nose up at sliced bread.

... there was also a period in 40s that the US flat out banned sliced bread for a few months, so.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: hops on October 17, 2021, 10:16:45 pm
Would you like your unsliced bread with a side of unsliced ham and unchurned butter?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 18, 2021, 01:41:47 am
Unchurned butter is just cream, ain't it?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 18, 2021, 02:41:24 am
But how do you make a sandwich with out bread?!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2021, 06:49:26 am
You can make a sandwich out of meat or cheese, no problem. Just have slabs of either where you'd normally have bread, and then whatever your filling is in between. Any sufficiently large vegetable or fruit or non-bread grain will work, there, too.

... exactly how large "sufficient" is depends on how big a sandwich you're making; I've made mini pb&js using apples on the outside instead of bread, ferex. They a'ight.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2021, 07:08:27 am
That's heresy. It's the bread that makes the sandwich. You can make a sandwich with nothing but bread, but you can't make one without.

What you're describing is a hand salad
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 18, 2021, 07:20:33 am
If sandwich heresy is delicious, it's not really heresy :P
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on October 18, 2021, 09:15:30 am
Hmm is layer A between two layer B allready a sandwich or is it merely a metonymy. I do use "sandwiched" as a verb. But also we use both sandwich and butterbrot so sliced bread with something on it we wouldn't even call sandwich. Has to be in a baguette or at least be made by a serviceperson.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2021, 09:46:53 am
If sandwich heresy is delicious, it's not really heresy :P

Temptacious heresy is still heresy! Do not give in!

It's not that it's a heresy against taste like what deluded fools claim ananas on pizza to be... It's that sandwiches are defined by the bread! Without the bread, no matter the deliciousness, it cannot be a sandwich -- it is simply another kind of delicious meal
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: JoshuaFH on October 18, 2021, 11:58:46 am
If sandwich heresy is delicious, it's not really heresy :P

Temptacious heresy is still heresy! Do not give in!

It's not that it's a heresy against taste like what deluded fools claim ananas on pizza to be... It's that sandwiches are defined by the bread! Without the bread, no matter the deliciousness, it cannot be a sandwich -- it is simply another kind of delicious meal

Oh how quickly we have forgotten the majesty of the Double Down.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on October 18, 2021, 12:06:26 pm
Fried chicken is breaded -- it clears the bread test
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on October 19, 2021, 06:34:14 am
I think because the fried chicken has too much chicken to bread ratio, it can't be bread. If there was however 90% breadcrumbs to chicken ratio, that may be bread
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Urist McScoopbeard on October 20, 2021, 01:04:55 am
I think because the fried chicken has too much chicken to bread ratio, it can't be bread. If there was however 90% breadcrumbs to chicken ratio, that may be bread

(https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.media-allrecipes.com%2Fuserphotos%2F6504599.jpg&q=85)

What about Italian cheese and/or pepperoni bread? The ratio is much more even than 90%/10%, but we still call it bread.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: George_Chickens on October 20, 2021, 02:02:01 am
If sandwich heresy is delicious, it's not really heresy :P

Temptacious heresy is still heresy! Do not give in!

It's not that it's a heresy against taste like what deluded fools claim ananas on pizza to be... It's that sandwiches are defined by the bread! Without the bread, no matter the deliciousness, it cannot be a sandwich -- it is simply another kind of delicious meal

Oh how quickly we have forgotten the majesty of the Double Down.
LEGENDS MAY BE FORGOTTEN BUT THEY NEVER DIE!
(https://i.imgur.com/AFSJq8K.png)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on October 20, 2021, 03:24:23 am
Thinking about a mix of chicken and pork (beef optional) with some cheese has me feeling pretty dang hungry.
Shoot, that's a thing, right?  Slivers of various meats with cheese?  I'm barely remembering.

In any case, they aren't uncontroversial.  Uncontroversial would be bread.  Everyone loves pumperknickel.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 20, 2021, 03:50:56 am
I think I actually got to eat one of those chicken in place of bread sandwiches but it was so long ago...    and now I need another one!

Everyone loves pumperknickel.
I'm someone and I don't like pumperknickel.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on October 20, 2021, 03:52:59 am
It's not the best, sure, but it's cheap and simple!  Surely a debate of price-vs-quality isn't truly controversial, simply a choice!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: hops on October 20, 2021, 06:34:55 am
Everyone loves pumperknickel.
I'm someone and I don't like pumperknickel.
You're just a figment of my imagination.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on October 20, 2021, 07:45:22 am
Pumpernickel is great but mostly because it's so fun to say
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on October 20, 2021, 10:58:00 am
It sounds like a slur from luxemburg: both pimpern and niquer mean "to fuck"
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: chaotic skies on October 20, 2021, 02:17:11 pm
The sky is most likely to be blue at 2:00 PM on a sunny day.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Bumber on October 21, 2021, 01:44:19 am
Cats are often photogenic.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 21, 2021, 03:04:50 am
Everyone loves pumperknickel.
I'm someone and I don't like pumperknickel.
You're just a figment of my imagination.
How do you know we aren't both alts of Pathos and there for both figments of his imagination?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: hops on October 21, 2021, 06:26:32 am
Everyone loves pumperknickel.
I'm someone and I don't like pumperknickel.
You're just a figment of my imagination.
How do you know we aren't both alts of Pathos and there for both figments of his imagination?
If we're both Pathos then we're also figments of our imagination, due to being Pathos imagining Pathos.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Mech#4 on October 21, 2021, 07:24:19 am
We should take Bikini Bottom and push it somewhere else.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Vector on October 21, 2021, 11:45:33 am
often

OFTEN?!?!?!?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 21, 2021, 01:17:25 pm
Only often, yeah. When they're scraggly and chunks are missing and bleeding and whatnot, or... worse... they're not particularly photogenic :-\

Kitties are photogenic when they're not reminding you they're actually sacks of meat instead of balls of adorable murderous floof.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: chaotic skies on October 21, 2021, 02:21:58 pm
Cats are assholes.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on October 22, 2021, 02:08:26 am
Cats are assholes.
This man speaks the truth, as cats are massive assholes!


Everyone loves pumperknickel.
I'm someone and I don't like pumperknickel.
You're just a figment of my imagination.
How do you know we aren't both alts of Pathos and there for both figments of his imagination?
If we're both Pathos then we're also figments of our imagination, due to being Pathos imagining Pathos.
It's alts all the way down! Maybe one day we'll figure out which Pathos is the actual Pathos.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on October 29, 2021, 06:51:30 pm
Omitting the falling asleep and waking up parts, sleep is generally pretty tolerable.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on October 29, 2021, 08:13:26 pm
Eh... some folks have pretty bad night terrors and whatnot. Otherwise tolerable is probably accurate enough. Generally is a decent catchall conditional :P
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 01, 2021, 05:45:32 am
Omitting the falling asleep and waking up parts, sleep is generally pretty tolerable.
You'd be surprised how many people I've met view sleep as some hostile obstacle and not sweet repose
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on November 01, 2021, 07:21:00 am
It would be a lot nicer if it didn't come with awful dreams all the time and waking up covered in cold sweat four or five times a night
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: dragdeler on November 01, 2021, 08:05:11 pm
It would be a lot nicer if it didn't come with awful dreams all the time and waking up covered in cold sweat four or five times a night


Wait that is not how it's supposed to be like? Still it's hard to stay annoyed throughout the sleeping parts.


You'd be surprised how many people I've met view sleep as some hostile obstacle and not sweet repose

Like the time invested? Or the troubles getting in an out of it? I don't like changing state: if I'm awake I prefer to stay awake, if I'm sleeping I prefer to remain sleeping. But as mentionned it's unusual to take offense of the act itself.




Sometimes I even have weird half awake dreaming states, once I even went like: okay this is stressful and annoying and obviously a dream, fuck this I am going to wake up now. (yeah I never accomplished the feat of "just fucking quitting" my dreams again, but it did happen once). Those bad sleep phases measured against the whole time I spent sleeping though? Yeah no I will have to insist on the prestigious quality seal "pretty tolerable"  :D.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 02, 2021, 06:25:05 am
Like the time invested? Or the troubles getting in an out of it? I don't like changing state: if I'm awake I prefer to stay awake, if I'm sleeping I prefer to remain sleeping. But as mentionned it's unusual to take offense of the act itself.
No they get offended by sleeping, as if it some weakness to be excised from the human body
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Screech9791 on November 25, 2021, 09:57:43 pm
Cats are assholes.
my cat's aren't, they genuinely love me
-1 imaginary untracked internet point for you because you got someone to disagree with you
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on November 26, 2021, 01:53:13 am
Clouds?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 26, 2021, 04:01:48 am
Oh boy I love clouds
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on November 26, 2021, 08:33:35 am
Clouds?
most planet(oid)s don't even have clouds, I think

they're sometimes nice when they're there but sometimes they don't exist within an astronomical unit
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: scriver on November 26, 2021, 12:01:14 pm
Låt mig berätta om Sverige
Enda landet där molnen interesserar

För mycket tid att tänka för lite att göra (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLzGMs7vgZc)
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on November 26, 2021, 11:43:30 pm
Clouds?

Clouds bring snow and rain, they suck!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on November 26, 2021, 11:59:36 pm
Clouds obscure navigation for aircraft.  But on the plus side, they bring snow and rain!  So who can say if they're controversial or not?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on November 27, 2021, 12:06:42 am
...without clouds, the Sun would burn us all up.  So yeah, not really controversial, except the misplaced blame for hindering unnatural human movement and being part of the necessary system that keeps the planet hydrated.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on November 27, 2021, 03:14:07 am
What about a sponge?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on November 27, 2021, 03:47:50 pm
What kind of sponge?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: TamerVirus on November 27, 2021, 04:26:14 pm
The Bob kind?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on November 27, 2021, 04:31:42 pm
Burn it and be free.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: McTraveller on November 27, 2021, 04:47:47 pm
It is a good thing that 'human' in 'humanitarian' does not have the equivalent meaning to 'vegetation' in 'vegetarian.'
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on November 28, 2021, 02:46:20 am
We can bridge the gap between vegetarianism and humanitarianism with soylent green!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on November 28, 2021, 12:06:41 pm
I don't want to eat any soy-fed humans, I heard it's bad for you
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on November 28, 2021, 04:00:40 pm
Just think how bad it is for them.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Bumber on December 01, 2021, 02:27:42 am
Cats are assholes.
my cat's aren't, they genuinely love me
-1 imaginary untracked internet point for you because you got someone to disagree with you

They'd be assholes to someone or something, given the opportunity.

Also: Cats have assholes.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on December 01, 2021, 03:06:51 am
Some cats really want you to know they have assholes and will get on you to shove them in your face so you know they have one.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Scoops Novel on May 05, 2022, 07:58:15 am
The world desperately needs a superhero to get society on the same page on where we actually are as a civilization. Or supervillain. Or super fucking something, fuck you, get with the fucking times
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: martinuzz on May 05, 2022, 08:02:17 am
We already have a supervillain, his name is Putin.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on May 05, 2022, 08:07:54 am
I vote for the super fucking
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 05, 2022, 11:51:57 am
The world desperately needs a superhero to get society on the same page on where we actually are as a civilization. Or supervillain. Or super fucking something, fuck you, get with the fucking times
I personally think that it's bad when bad people do bad things,and would be worse if said bad people also had magical abilities. Considering that have very reasonable reason to object to your idea, it is a controversial idea and you lose 1 imaginary internet point.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on May 05, 2022, 05:24:48 pm
We already have a supervillain, his name is Putin.
+1
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Scoops Novel on May 05, 2022, 05:42:51 pm
We already have a supervillain, his name is Putin.
+1

Trash. This is exactly the shit I'm talking about. Where's my sexy killer robots Putin? No style.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 05, 2022, 05:50:56 pm
*sighs*

Shoo. Unless you've got something trivial and uninteresting to say, why are you in my nice uncontroversial ideas thread?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: chaotic skies on May 05, 2022, 05:58:51 pm
I like to consume food that tastes good to me.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Eric Blank on May 05, 2022, 06:44:43 pm
Being a shape-shifter would be rad as hell tbh
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on May 05, 2022, 07:19:41 pm
Vampires are supersoldiers.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 05, 2022, 07:34:06 pm
Eh... a fair amount are remarkably puny, though. Not getting into some of the stuff actually living called vampire, some of which are literally microscopic (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampirovibrio_chlorellavorus), heh.

Being a shape-shifter would be rad as hell tbh
Could be, would be the uncontroversial formulation. Some shapeshifters are staggeringly unrad :P
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 05, 2022, 07:35:03 pm
I wanna be a fleshhorror.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 05, 2022, 07:38:21 pm
It's less the flesh horror part that's unrad as the screaming misery part. It's fairly... common isn't the right word, but something between it and unsurprising but uncommon... in depictions for the process to be intensely unpleasant for the critter doing the shifting. That'd be pretty unrad. You want one of the rad versions without that :P
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 05, 2022, 08:01:56 pm
Past a certain point it's difficult to tell but IMO The Thing and the Carrion beast prolly don't feel pain from shifting. Once you're at the point where you're casually growing body parts as part of movement that's likely not to be an issue.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 05, 2022, 09:12:54 pm
Sure, they're probably one of the rad(-ish) ones that don't have that problem. You want the radish shifters, for they're rad and presumably delicious.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 05, 2022, 09:27:09 pm
Got any examples of something which you'd define as a flesh horror (as opposed to more standardized/limited shapeshifters such as werewolves) where being one isn't rad?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 05, 2022, 11:47:42 pm
Eh... not off the top of my head? I've read it before several times, somewhere, but I read voraciously enough it can be incredibly difficult to pinpoint where that somewhere is if I haven't read it fairly recently.

The most common formulation I've seen like that is where turning into it is pretty involuntary, and utilizing the effect is intensely, just-let-me-die, painful (or otherwise deeply unsettling, like wild dysmorphia, major coordination problems, etc.). Where it's basically just a straight up deformation or curse for whatever poor bastard is stuck like that, particularly if the writer is leaning hard into the body horror angle and not in the slasher gorn sense.

There's one I'm forgetting the name of I'm pretty sure involved slowly breaking every bone in every limb that changed shape, ferex, and the poor sod felt every moment of it. Stuff like that. Just take your average shapeshifting fleshblob, then add crippling pain, poor functionality (slow, lack of detail, etc.), and major psychological issues (most/all shapes feeling very, very wrong, ferex), and you have your extremely un-rad shapeshifter.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on May 06, 2022, 01:44:56 am
Pain comes from pain neurons being intact.
Flesh horror that changes the body deep enough would actually be less painful due to destruction of pain sensors.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Egan_BW on May 06, 2022, 01:51:36 am
Phantom pain is a thing. If your brain is still fully human but the rest of your body is a chaotic mess, you might just wind up with a full-body phantom pain from a phantom human body your brain expects you to have but which does not exist.
Now, if fleshhorrification also changes how your brain works, all bets are off and anything could happen!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 06, 2022, 09:31:34 am
Pain comes from pain neurons being intact.
Flesh horror that changes the body deep enough would actually be less painful due to destruction of pain sensors.
It probably would, sure. That's somewhere in the radish flesh horror zone, though :P
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Grim Portent on May 06, 2022, 11:26:32 am
Got any examples of something which you'd define as a flesh horror (as opposed to more standardized/limited shapeshifters such as werewolves) where being one isn't rad?

Chaos Spawn from warhammer?

Endlessly growing new bodyparts, absorbing them back into the body, bits of them changing shape in the time it takes to take a single step, all while what little remains of the conscious mind is in agonising pain and wracked with confusion as their senses shift.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on May 13, 2022, 05:28:52 am
Sounds like people just want to become the Thing and live in Antarctica and eat scientists.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on May 13, 2022, 09:37:53 pm
Sounds like people just want to become the Thing and live in Antarctica and eat scientists.
...you say that like it's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 13, 2022, 10:15:30 pm
Sounds like people just want to become the Thing and live in Antarctica and eat scientists.
Can't we become the Swamp Thing and live in Louisiana and eat scientists, instead?

or better yet become some kind of snow thing and live in antarctica and eat scientists but be more likely to win a versus matchup

or better better yet be one of those but not eat scientists because they taste icky and it's much harder to hide the evidence

also maybe live somewhere more temperate and reasonable than a swamp or the frozen north just sayin', variably morphous critters should have options too yknow

respect the people (not) eater hustle yo
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on May 14, 2022, 12:02:01 am
I would be perfectly content to live in the forest with big feet and eat scientists.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: MrRoboto75 on May 14, 2022, 12:06:39 am
People probably taste as awful as they act.  Look how greasy the average American is.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on May 14, 2022, 12:17:27 am
People probably taste as awful as they act.  Look how greasy the average American is.

Well, you could instead live in a nice Castle in Europe and drink European blood.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on May 14, 2022, 02:34:10 am
People probably taste as awful as they act.  Look how greasy the average American is.

Well, you could instead live in a nice Castle in Europe and drink European blood.
You probably could get drunk off that stuff given how much alcohol some of those people drink.



Why not all of us become shape shifting things and live wherever we please and eat scientists!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 18, 2022, 03:07:56 am
I vote for the super fucking

Make this man the president!
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 19, 2022, 01:27:17 pm
I would be perfectly content to live in the forest with big feet and eat scientists.
Just think what kind of scientists you'd be getting though. Entomologists. Ecologists. Mycologists. You really want to eat those sorts?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 19, 2022, 01:36:05 pm
You're basically saying lobster, fresh veggies, and shrooms, there. I'm pretty sure plenty of folks would, in fact, want to eat those sorts.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on May 20, 2022, 12:23:31 am
Just think what kind of scientists you'd be getting though. Entomologists. Ecologists. Mycologists. You really want to eat those sorts?
Meat is meat doesn't matter what it comes from.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 20, 2022, 05:34:52 am
You're basically saying lobster, fresh veggies, and shrooms, there. I'm pretty sure plenty of folks would, in fact, want to eat those sorts.
Unless you're an expert, you shouldn't collect scientists from the wild, as you may not be able to tell a toxic one from a non-toxic one
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: EuchreJack on May 20, 2022, 09:41:03 am
You're basically saying lobster, fresh veggies, and shrooms, there. I'm pretty sure plenty of folks would, in fact, want to eat those sorts.
Unless you're an expert, you shouldn't collect scientists from the wild, as you may not be able to tell a toxic one from a non-toxic one
All scientists are toxic...
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 20, 2022, 10:15:20 am
You're basically saying lobster, fresh veggies, and shrooms, there. I'm pretty sure plenty of folks would, in fact, want to eat those sorts.
Unless you're an expert, you shouldn't collect scientists from the wild, as you may not be able to tell a toxic one from a non-toxic one
All scientists are toxic...
Some have great personalities
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: King Zultan on May 21, 2022, 02:21:32 am
You're basically saying lobster, fresh veggies, and shrooms, there. I'm pretty sure plenty of folks would, in fact, want to eat those sorts.
Unless you're an expert, you shouldn't collect scientists from the wild, as you may not be able to tell a toxic one from a non-toxic one
All scientists are toxic...
Some have great personalities
But do the personalities add to the flavor?
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Loud Whispers on May 23, 2022, 09:23:25 am
But do the personalities add to the flavor?
I don't know, you'd have to pluck their brains to find out
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Magmacube_tr on May 23, 2022, 06:37:27 pm
Sleeping is gud.
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Frumple on May 23, 2022, 07:33:54 pm
Tell that to a narcoleptic :-\
Title: Re: Uncontroversial ideas thread
Post by: Rolan7 on May 23, 2022, 07:42:40 pm
The IF game Narcolepsy (http://adamcadre.ac/if.html) was pretty gud, from what I remember.  It was a long time ago.  The guy made several text-adventure games with really interesting gimmicks, and IIRC the gimmick here is that the narcoleptic player character keeps falling asleep only to wake up in different scenes.  I don't remember how it all tied together, and it requires an IF interpreter to play now.

Ooh, 9:05 (http://adamcadre.ac/if/905.html) is still playable in-browser though, and it's a fantastic very short game.  It's sorta an escape-the-room game but only takes like 5-10 minutes to "win" the first time.