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DF Suggestions / Coinage reform
« on: June 26, 2013, 01:50:53 pm »
Coinage Reform

Okay, it's been a while, and at this point I'm pretty much a Bay12 Suggester (Rusty). Anyway, I was making batches of coins in my latest fortress, trying to make some every year (eventually, one of each year and composition would go on display somewhere). Unfortunately, the monetary system as it is now is pretty boring, what with the lack of a working economy. Coins are either projectiles or practice tools for your metalcrafters. Come on! There's lots of changes we can make, so that we'll have a much richer system that'll hopefully make a real economy that much easier. Of course, you can still do it the old way for simplicity, but more control over your money could mean greater success in trade.

Striking: it's not pretty

Right now, you get some dwarf at an anvil to strike batches of 500 coins in one go. Since we live in modern civilization, we probably envision these to be nice and round, especially because dwarfs are supposed to be good at this sort of thing. Well, if you're just striking these things at an anvil, this lumpy thing is more representative:


And yes, we should probably call that particular task "Strike [metal] coins" instead of "Mint [metal] coins". More on that later.

The first actually round coins were the Chinese ones with the holes in. They would get put on a square dowel and lathed into shape - this was invented more than a thousand years ago (are you tech-level wankers still around?)! However, the first way to make a coin by machine was invented by da Vinci: the screw press. Oh wait, we already have a screw press! Well, I can't imagine dwarves using the same press for food and metal - that's just unclean (and we all know how clean our forts are). So let's invent a new workshop, which is just called the "Mint". (Note - this won't replace the "Strike Coins" task, but it will supplant it.)

The Mint

This particular workshop needs power - until the invention of the steam press, many strategies were used, ranging from water-wheels to just using livestock to do the work. Yes, water-wheels. It's almost like this is historically justifiable. Anyway, plug it in to your nearest water reactor, and you're ready to undergo a three-step process to make your fortress' currency. (Why would you bother? Wait and see!)

The first task would be converting metal bars into blanks (the lumps used at the anvil are called "flans", while the round blanks used nowadays are called "planchets"). This would require power, and give you a bunch of blanks (but the process would still train Metalcrafting). These blanks could be traded for their metal content alone, or launched at goblins. And your results can be more customizable - you can select the number of blanks to make from a few lists (e.g. make 100, make 250, make 500, make 1000, make 2000), and their size will scale accordingly. So now you can have different sizes of bullets money!

Then you engrave the dies with your Metalcrafters - you have to select the composition and size here. (Hear me out - some metals strike differently than others, and a die made for hard nickel could totally mess up a gold blank.) The designs will be random as usual, but they'll have more stuff depending on how big the blanks are: a small coin could have just one simple element (e.g. the date and a dwarf), while a big one could have a whole tableau (e.g. the date, the full civilization name, and a royal procession). Since coins of a certain size and composition will use the same dies, their design will stay the same until you engrave new dies (which will replace the old ones - "dies" aren't really items). Other things that could influence the design would be commemoratives - if there's been a round number of years (10, 20, 30... 100, 200, 300...) since a certain event, it's likely that the event will show up on your dies that year ("King Urist: 90 Years of his Glorious Reign!"). Or a noble could mandate that you put his ugly mug on that year's pennies, and the metalcrafter will comply automatically when you engrave the dies (if you don't re-engrave them in time, the nearest metalworker gets hammered!).

Then you strike! This takes a Mechanic, who oversees the process. Everything goes smoothly - you get however many coins as you put in, and you now have stacks of nice, round coins, ready to be thrown at your enemies (OR used to facilitate commerce). These coins still lack quality modifiers.

But what's the point of all this??

Facilitating Commerce

Right now, coins are just small bars. They're sold for their metal value and have no quality, and they never circulate. Well, can't we make them a bit more interesting? (Yes)

First, traders need to accept your coins. This will be a slow process. In the first year, they'll take your coins like they take bars of metal, and you won't receive much of an advantage. However, they will begin to get familiar with your fortress' currency, and trust it more. The trust-o-meter (independent to every civilization) is increased with every trade you make with your coins, and properly minted coins increase it much faster than crudely struck ones. Next year, they'll take your coins for the same price as last year - but this time, they'll let you get more for your money. Once you've established long-term relations with a civilization and they trust your currency, you'll be able to trade near-parity - you get nearly ☼50,000 of goods for ☼50,000 in coins.

Other civilizations issue coins, too! They'll probably need to meet certain criteria in population or wealth before issuing minted coinage, but these coins will be accepted by their home civilizations at parity with the insubstantial dwarfbuck. And caravans will bring you some foreign coins as well, selling them above their face value. Imagine that you've spent years buying up all the goblin money you can, and when the next goblin siege comes, you leave it in a conspicuous location. They grab it and leave without killing anyone. Or, once history still happens during Fortress Mode, a roving adventurer offers his services in exchange for the money of his home civilization. You'll be able to make intercivilizational deals and trades much easier this way.

Wear

We assume that once dwarfs can individually buy things, they'll start carrying around coins in their pockets. Why not let them wear down in this scenario? After about a year, they'll downgrade from coin to xcoinx, and after about two years, XcoinX, and after about four years, XXcoinXX. They'll stay as XXcoinXX indefinitely, but merchants are likely to refuse these coins, or pay less (as they'll be lighter with wear). The solution is to re-strike them at the Mint through some kind of private deal-making. For our purposes, you can keep striking the same coin from XX to brand-new forever. There's precedent for this, too: in the early days of America, the newly opened Philadelphia mint would take your jewelery, silver spoons, and foreign silver, and melt it down into brand-new American coins, which would be returned to you at no cost. As long as coins were traded based on precious metal weight (e.g. since antiquity), these deals abounded.

Adventure mode

Coins from other civilizations can be spent by you at a loss, and you could probably find buyers for very old coins you find in tombs and the like. Lairs will have money from all over inside, and some of it could have a value greater than its metal value (for those of you keeping track at home: during the Renaissance, collecting ancient Greek or Roman coins was a popular hobby among the upper class)

Miscellanea

There are more aspects that could work with a real economy, but they seemed easily abused - like debasement (lowering the precious metal content) and inflation. For instance, I thought that a government, when times were tough, could switch from silver to sterling silver, and the sterling silver coins would exchange for less and less compared to the pure silver as time went on. This could work if governments only debased one way (like in real life), but then I realized that this is Dwarf Fortress and some yobbo would probably work something out, like:

- Make valuable silver coins.
- Switch to lead next year. These lead coins are traded for less than silver, but still above lead because it's only been a year since debasement.
- Switch back to silver. The value of your currency will rise back up, and you can repeat, making a massive profit off of worthless lead coins.

There was also clipping (cutting slivers of precious metal off the edges of coins), but it seemed too minute to represent in-game just yet. Counterfeiting could be interesting, but we don't have many situations where the omniscient Overseer can't tell what's going on - vampires seem a few steps up from such mundane sneakiness as fake money.

I was also thinking of having collector interest and high prices for rare coins, but this seemed like a surefire path to exploitation. However, you could probably balance it out - let's say you've made 200 1051 coins, and 5,000 1052 coins. The 1051 coins will be worth a bit more. Now let's say you've made 50 1051 coins, and 50 1052 coins. Neither of these will have a premium over the other, despite the low mintage. On the other hand, this is fundamentally a supply and demand market, which seems a bit out of reach for now. And one last suggestion that didn't make it all the way:

Cupronickel

A mixture of copper and nickel is used to this day in coinage (American nickels especially). I think some people hate nickel, though, cos it's unrealistic. Well, bad news - nickel alloyed with copper was first used in coinage in the 2nd century BC. So we could add it, coins-wise, but it's mostly been used as a silver substitute in floating currencies not on any standard, which is a bit too economically advanced for us.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: I badly draw your reports!
« on: June 13, 2013, 09:19:52 pm »
So I was just masturbating looking for something while one of my dwarves got mauled by a carp while fishing and lost a leg and then another.
The other dwarves instead of carrying  him back to the medical area or killing the carps went to get his socks and the legs to put in the stockpile.
Minutes later he was carp food as he had no way of getting out of the ditch or fighting 4 mature carps.

I have witnessed an epic struggle of the titans, please I beg you, draw this!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Draw this:


In one page of combat reports during a goblin ambush, Wrex the legendary axelord bit the thumb off of a goblin, bisected another, kicked one in the face so hard that it died, and embedded his bronze axe in a goblin skull.

Just had a dwarf give birth whilst she was sleeping...

baby wanders off and starts having a chat in the meeting room. Mum still sleeping..

It was her ninth kid, she probably barely noticed.

A while back I discovered that cages protect their occupants from drowning, even if that cage is actually a filled aquarium. So naturally I took advantage for my goblin prisons - filled aquarium prisons, which are then themselves submerged.

You should draw this. Much hilarity shall ensue!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A buzzard killed over half a dozen dwarven traders on the surface (mainly by biting open their throats from what I saw), earned a title for itself, and is still stalking around up there. You will know why you fear the sky.

Could you do this one please?

A kea has stolen a ☼iron breastplate☼

It's somewhat frequent in Daggerplayed right now...

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DF General Discussion / Re: Wear Something DF-ish Day 2013: August 8
« on: February 28, 2013, 02:43:26 pm »
Anyone from Denmark?
Maybe Shook? I know he's Scandinavian.

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well actually those aren't his eyes at all

they are the perpetual tormented glow of virtual particles foolish enough to appear underneath his sunglasses

and one of them is immediately destroyed by the horror and the other one tries to escape but is smashed into particle blood by what it has seen

the phenomenon has no name but is contributing to the heat death of the universe

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I drew another Shook comic (also I know someone with the exact same hairstyle as HAMGURL which was surprising)

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Creative Projects / Re: A Jump on the Daily Comic Bandwagon
« on: January 30, 2013, 01:55:45 pm »
Excuse me why is the red guy in favour of the conservatives everyone knows that conservatives' party colours are blue

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also announcement:

Tomorrow, classes begin again, and tomorrow it starts at fucking 8 AM. This means that either the frequency of these will drop notably, or i start drawing them during the day and the only difference you'll notice is that they get posted earlier during the day. Tonight, however, there won't be a comic, because otherwise i'll never be able to get up in the morning. I hope y'all understand my predicament here. :U
My classes start at 8 too but that's a vacation because last semester they started at 7 :O

anyway out of sympathy I have drawn today's comic


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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: I badly draw your reports!
« on: January 25, 2013, 03:40:45 pm »
After not being here for some time, I have to say... wow. Your drawing skills really improved :D
Ehh, let's see:
Spoiler: Page 1, August (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Page 20, September (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Page 40, October (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Page 60, November (click to show/hide)

Maybe. I'm still drawing vivid stick-people though so who can tell?

EDIT: Oh no, a bunch of tinypic links seem to have died! I'll have to go reupload everything in this thread (T_T).

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DF Suggestions / Re: Dwarven Postage System
« on: January 23, 2013, 09:24:44 pm »
Wanna look that up yourself?

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: I badly draw your reports!
« on: January 23, 2013, 05:26:29 pm »
Something is WRONG with their defenses. How did a gobbo or w/e get that far without becoming a ‼gobbo‼?
It snuck through the caverns while the entire military was busy fighting a snot FB or whatever, cleverly avoiding the traps by only stepping on tiles where there weren't any rotting babysnatcher corpses with holes through them.

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DF Suggestions / Re: Dwarven Postage System
« on: January 23, 2013, 05:24:49 pm »
That is a great idea. I fully endorse it, and it would be a great way to control the flow of information (since we already enjoy playing "thought police" and making sure there is no body left behind). I also think the overseer should be able to assign expedition leaders, mayors or nobles to draft letters to other fortresses with certain predetermined messages, like "Request more migrants", "Request soldiers", "Send tribute" and more. This would allow you to curry favour with your home civ; sending them your riches would make them more willing to send an armed force for you to house, but killing your own caravans would make them more likely to send the armed force against you.

Even better, letters could show up in worldgen (probably written on hide or leather) with random names. The humans embroiled in The Battle of Sparks could send a dispatch to their enemies, the elves, asking for a peaceful settlement and offering goods ("The 567 Treaty of the Battle of Sparks", "The 567 Battle of Sparks Dispatch", etc.), or a goblin civ could demand food and slaves from a weak dwarven civ ("The 1050 Letter of Subjugation", etc.). Letters could be saved in keeps, and historical hostile letters could be saved and make that civ less likely to desire peace/trade with their historical oppressors (since the people in charge have read these old letters and were appalled). They could also be lost, either by wreck of cart or the sacking of a keep, or stolen by kobolds even. An adventurer might have to steal back the Elven Reinsurance Treaty of 938 from bandits or even terrorists before the sun sets in two days' time or the elves will declare war on their home civ.

This is a fantastic idea! Thank you for posting it; it never really occurred to me.

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Creative Projects / Re: A Jump on the Daily Comic Bandwagon
« on: January 23, 2013, 01:00:09 pm »
At first I was like "oh these britfags"
but then I was like "heh heh politics"

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: I badly draw your reports!
« on: January 23, 2013, 12:19:24 pm »
Okay. Everything is all complicated and it's mid-terms BUT when they are over I will spend all day drawing these things and catching up.

In the meantime, here's some more large-scale art!

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Creative Projects / Re: A Jump on the Daily Comic Bandwagon
« on: January 20, 2013, 11:36:11 am »
Finally, a money shot in one of these daily drawings.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Wear Something DF-ish Day 2013
« on: January 19, 2013, 11:36:33 am »
Do beards count?
Only in this style
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