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Title: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Roden on July 04, 2022, 09:28:16 am
Law. Chaos. Two opposing ideologies and forces that were always fated to clash for all of eternity. You yourself follow one of these alignments, and are known as a demon summoner, one who is able to control demons and bend them to your will. You have fought to sway control over the world to your alignment for quite some time now, with neither side budging as endless wars continue to stalemate.

Recently, however, a new opposing force has emerged. Those who claim not just neutrality, but a desire to eradicate both Law and Chaos from the world. They have slain your enemies, but they have murdered your allies as well, leaving their mark on the world and creating change. They have even had members infiltrate both factions, hoping to harm them from within.

This simply will not do.

Leaders from both warring alignments eventually decide that drastic measures must be taken. Calling a temporary truce, they bring forth members from their own faction who they believe are the most likely to be neutral sympathizers and spies. You are one of these people, and when you are all gathered you are told the gist of what is to come.

Find the traitors from each alignment and obliterate them. Show no mercy and prove your loyalty to your cause, and you will be rewarded justly. Fail, and you will all be executed in order to guarantee that the traitors will be taken care of. Followers of Law and Chaos will have to work together if they wish to succeed, but how much can they truly trust each other in such a situation?



Welcome to Demon Mafia. In this game, the alignments of Law and Chaos are the uninformed majority, or the Town, while the alignment of Neutral is the informed minority, or the Mafia. There are no cults or conversion mechanics of any kind.

GENERAL SET UP INFO/RULES

-Phases are split between the standard Day/Night phases. Eliminations are determined by votes during the Day phase. Days last 72 hours, while Nights last 24 hours. Weekends will count as 24 hours.

-Extensions may be granted in special circumstances, such as a personal emergency or if a player is absent for the entire Day phase and a replacement is needed.

-Hammers are in effect. Once a majority vote is reached, the Day phase ends and the game will enter Twilight. You may continue to talk as long as the thread remains unlocked.

-Vote using red and bold, please. It makes it easier to find votes for updated vote counts. I will try to update the VC at least once every 24 hours.

-If you wish, you may vote for No Elimination. A hammer will occur if at least 50% of the remaining living players vote for it. The Day will then end and continue onto the Night phase.

-Natural Action Resolution (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Natural_Action_Resolution) will be used to determine action priority during the Night phase. If you are unsure of an action's priority, you may PM me to confirm it.

-Don't PM other players about the game, you can only PM me. Don't quote any mod PMs in the main thread either. Paraphrasing is fine, but attempting to prove the existence of a private message sent by the mod or to the mod is strictly against the rules.

-If you have any questions about your role, PM me. I will not answer questions about your role publically. If you have any questions about publicly stated info, such as the role of a flipped player, I can answer privately or in the main thread.

SPECIAL MECHANICS
LIST OF DEMONS (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons)

There are four unique aspects to the set up.

1- First off are alignments. While Law and Chaos followers (Town) are on the same team and must work together to eliminate Neutral-aligned players (Mafia) in order to win, they may be incentivized to antagonize or sabotage players of the opposing alignment. However, it isn't required, as the Town can still win without committing a single act of sabotage.

Additionally, it is guaranteed that at least one Mafia member will present as Law-aligned, and at least one Mafia member will present as Chaos-aligned. By default, Law and Chaos alignments are publically known.

2- Roles are determined by player submission. Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons). Two will be chosen as your starting role in the game, allowing you to use whatever abilities your set of demons possess. Demons will have certain skills that match up with their most recently updated skill set from Shin Megami Tensei V. In the rare circumstance where too many picks are identical between players, I'll just ask for a new set of three picks.

3- Your demons are not set in stone. At the end of a Day phase, if a player is eliminated and is publically role flipped, their demons will be revealed. In addition to your Night action, you may choose to recruit one of their demons into your party. However, you can have no more than three demons in your party at one time, and if you successfully recruit a demon when your party is full, you will have to remove one in order to accept the new demon.

If multiple players attempt to recruit the same demon, its essence will be weakened, and those players will receive a diminished copy of the demon. The more a demon's essence is split between players, the weaker it will be.

4- Mafia do not have a typical night kill. Instead, they have a factional night ability called Negotiation. Once per night, a Mafia member may choose to Negotiate with the demons of the town member they are attempting to kill. The town member will be killed and removed from play like a normal night kill, however the mafia may also recruit the player's demons if they successfully perform the action. Negotiations are guaranteed to succeed if they can correctly deduce the identity of at least one of the demons of the player they target, even if the player is protected from the kill itself.

Spoiler: Example Town Role PM (click to show/hide)

SIGN UPS
-Webadict
-Knightwing64
-Jim Groovester
-ToonyMan
-TricMagic
-NJW2000
-notquitethere
-Maximum Spin
-hector13

It is currently DAY 2.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: webadict on July 04, 2022, 11:29:08 am
I'll give it a shot.

In
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 04, 2022, 11:50:30 am
IN

Sounds fun
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 04, 2022, 11:55:27 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo

In.

Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).

fucking what

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 04, 2022, 12:24:34 pm
Heh
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: ToonyMan on July 04, 2022, 12:25:33 pm
Where there are demons, I slay them.

Where there are saints, I slay them.


In.

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.

Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 04, 2022, 12:27:51 pm
Shame YHVH wasn’t a option.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Egan_BW on July 04, 2022, 01:51:35 pm
Just posting to heckle for now. Down with law and chaos! Slay god and the devil!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Roden on July 04, 2022, 04:28:59 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo

In.

Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).

fucking what

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Lol, tbh I initially did think to just let people use whatever demon from whichever game. But there's so many...many, games. I figure it's more convenient and easier to look up info if we use the latest iteration as a base.

Where there are demons, I slay them.

Where there are saints, I slay them.


In.

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.

Same. Nocturne especially is a classic.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Shakerag on July 04, 2022, 06:12:53 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo

In.

Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).

fucking what

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.

Pick Mara.  Just trust me on this one.

Also as a giant SMT fan I'm tempted to in, but I'm already in another game.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: webadict on July 04, 2022, 06:24:50 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo

In.

Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).

fucking what

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Gonna be honest, I searched the entire starting post for a list of demons, and couldn't find it until you posted it, so without this post I never would've found the link, lol.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 04, 2022, 06:35:34 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo

In.

Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).

fucking what

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Gonna be honest, I searched the entire starting post for a list of demons, and couldn't find it until you posted it, so without this post I never would've found the link, lol.

What? This is a bad sign, Web has lost IQ

Oop, I put on I’m the quote, hope editing before the game starts is okay lol
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (4/9+)
Post by: TricMagic on July 04, 2022, 06:44:41 pm
In
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: webadict on July 04, 2022, 08:39:27 pm
My eyes have always been bad.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (0/9+)
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 04, 2022, 09:05:40 pm
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.

Lol, tbh I initially did think to just let people use whatever demon from whichever game. But there's so many...many, games. I figure it's more convenient and easier to look up info if we use the latest iteration as a base.

Do I need to know anything about shin megamind tensile strength to play this game or can I just

not

instead?

Pick Mara.  Just trust me on this one.

thatsapenis.gif
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (4/9+)
Post by: Roden on July 04, 2022, 11:15:39 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo

In.

Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).

fucking what

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Gonna be honest, I searched the entire starting post for a list of demons, and couldn't find it until you posted it, so without this post I never would've found the link, lol.
Oop, my bad. I'll make the text to the link bigger so it's easier to notice.

Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.

Lol, tbh I initially did think to just let people use whatever demon from whichever game. But there's so many...many, games. I figure it's more convenient and easier to look up info if we use the latest iteration as a base.

Do I need to know anything about shin megamind tensile strength to play this game or can I just

not

instead?

Pick Mara.  Just trust me on this one.

thatsapenis.gif
Flavor knowledge has benefits, but it isn't necessary to play or understand the game mechanics. It's entirely possible and feasible to win despite having zero knowledge.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (5/9+)
Post by: NJW2000 on July 06, 2022, 05:10:51 pm
In.

Fingers crossed flavour knowledge doesn't play a major role... I'm probably not going to spend time going through hundreds of pages of a wiki for a game I haven't heard of.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (5/9+)
Post by: Roden on July 06, 2022, 05:24:21 pm
In.

Fingers crossed flavour knowledge doesn't play a major role... I'm probably not going to spend time going through hundreds of pages of a wiki for a game I haven't heard of.
No matter what your picks are, they'll always at least be useful. For digging through the wiki for that won't be necessary.

Btw, did you email me your choices?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (5/9+)
Post by: NJW2000 on July 06, 2022, 05:50:19 pm
Yes, I did somehow, sorry. Hit the wrong button. Did you get them?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (5/9+)
Post by: Roden on July 06, 2022, 06:53:18 pm
Yep, I got them, just wanted to confirm that it was you.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (6/9+)
Post by: notquitethere on July 10, 2022, 12:57:14 pm
in
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (7/9+)
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 11, 2022, 07:45:05 pm
Hey.

Let's get this game off the ground.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (7/9+)
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 22, 2022, 02:51:17 pm
I wasn't going to join this because I don't know anything about the setting and I was kind of over-mafiaed at the time, but my last game really refreshed my enthusiasm, so, in.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (8/9+)
Post by: Roden on July 22, 2022, 03:04:29 pm
Alright, just one more and I can start setting up roles. I'm not locking it in at 9 though, people can still sign up while I'm setting up.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (8/9+)
Post by: hector13 on July 22, 2022, 10:48:09 pm
How would you all feel about me playing, bearing in mind my status as a stay-at-home parent who will invariably be posting from phone?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (8/9+)
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 22, 2022, 10:54:47 pm
You're exactly who we're looking for!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (8/9+)
Post by: hector13 on July 22, 2022, 11:06:06 pm
Eh, you know what, it could be fun but it’ll probably be horrible but I’m in.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (8/9+)
Post by: webadict on July 22, 2022, 11:09:08 pm
It'll be fiiiiiiiine.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Currently Recruiting (8/9+)
Post by: Roden on July 23, 2022, 01:12:26 am
It shouldn't be a problem tbh, 90% of my posts is phone posting. Even just posting once or twice a day is fine if you're having trouble keeping up.

Also, that's enough entries to start setting up. With any luck, I'll get it done tonight and the game can start around midday soon after. But like I said earlier, I'll still be accepting submissions up until I start sending out roles.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Creating Roles Now (9/9+)
Post by: Roden on July 24, 2022, 03:11:23 am
Role PMs have been sent out! Took a bit longer than expected since I wasn't happy with the initial balance, but I think I tweaked everything enough to make this work. Day start will be a few hours from now, if anyone has any questions about their role then feel free to PM me.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Roden on July 24, 2022, 03:13:30 pm
It has begun. Nine of you stand, all accused of being potential traitors and spies. You know you don't have much time, you must find the ones among you who defy both Law and Chaos. Out them, kill them, do whatever is necessary to expose the heretics and prove your belief in your ideals.

The following are who you will interrogate and investigate:

webadict, follower of Chaos
Knightwing64, follower of Chaos
Jim Groovester, follower of Law
Toonyman, follower of Law
TricMagic, follower of Law
NJW2000, follower of Chaos
notquitethere, follower of Law
Maximum Spin, follower of ? ? ?
hector13, follower of Chaos

Who amongst these nine will be eliminated today? The choice is yours.


Quote
Vote Count
------------------------
webadict: 0
Knightwing64: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
NJW2000: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 9 - webadict,  Knightwing64, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, TricMagic, NJW2000, notquitethere, Maximum Spin, hector13

5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~72 hours remaining).


It is currently Day.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 03:42:32 pm
How am I Law?? I picked the most Chaos demons I could think of.

Also...NINE (https://youtu.be/Y61XVgFQj2I) is a reference to the Xbox original game.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 03:51:24 pm
I'm going to give the reasonable explanation that Max being ? ? ?  is to simply keep the Law and Chaos at 4v4. If anything this makes me want to trust him more.

So assuming there's two Neutrals are they more likely one in Law and one in Chaos? Maybe.

I'll vote Webadict for being Chaos.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 04:09:22 pm
I'm going to give the reasonable explanation that Max being ? ? ?  is to simply keep the Law and Chaos at 4v4. If anything this makes me want to trust him more.
You would be right to do so.

Quote
So assuming there's two Neutrals are they more likely one in Law and one in Chaos? Maybe.
We were told there would have to be at least one in each in the first post, so yes.

I'm curious. Everyone, do your roles say anything about elements?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 24, 2022, 04:11:51 pm
Hmm. I thought chaos and law demons were in the same side in this? One second, lemme reread the introduction 😅
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 04:16:05 pm
We were told there would have to be at least one in each in the first post, so yes.
Right.

I'm curious. Everyone, do your roles say anything about elements?
Nope.

Hmm. I thought chaos and law demons were in the same side in this? One second, lemme reread the introduction 😅
We kind of are. Town win together in this, however Law and Chaos will be given reasons to sabotage each other apparently.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 04:17:21 pm
Someone needs to re-read the OP methinks.

Quote
Additionally, it is guaranteed that at least one Mafia member will present as Law-aligned, and at least one Mafia member will present as Chaos-aligned. By default, Law and Chaos alignments are publically known.

Beneath the list of demons I think it was.

Toonyman ‘cause us Chaos folks gotta stand together against the arbitrary forces of Law.

Maximum Spin: I would really like some explanation toward your public alignment being question marks.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 24, 2022, 04:20:18 pm
MaximumSpin for rolefishing, that most reliable of scumtells!


Toonyman: So do you think Max is actually townconf, or just has a hidden alignment, now you'd been reminded what the OP says? Or do you think there could be three scum, I guess?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 04:22:34 pm
The game is broken if there are three scum. I think even a hostile third party would be a bit excessive for a 9-player game.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 04:23:53 pm
Oh, I picked my demons based on Celtic Mythology, being of Celtic origin.

I’m also not a Rangers fan.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 24, 2022, 04:24:30 pm
I'm going to give the reasonable explanation that Max being ? ? ?  is to simply keep the Law and Chaos at 4v4. If anything this makes me want to trust him more.
You would be right to do so.

Quote
So assuming there's two Neutrals are they more likely one in Law and one in Chaos? Maybe.
We were told there would have to be at least one in each in the first post, so yes.

I'm curious. Everyone, do your roles say anything about elements?

Given I can kill everything with a weakness to Light? Yes.

On that note, I identify as a Neutral, for any investigators out there.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 04:27:26 pm
… perhaps I might be too rigid in my belief of what makes a balanced game. What kind of Third Party are you Tric?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 24, 2022, 04:28:06 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Anyways I'm going to arbitrarily vote somebody from the Chaos team and there's nothing you can do to stop me.

hector13 is bad because Chaos is bad booooo Chaos

I'm going to give the reasonable explanation that Max being ? ? ?  is to simply keep the Law and Chaos at 4v4. If anything this makes me want to trust him more.

This is probably a good reading of the situation. At bare minimum probably not scum.

Are there any Law/Chaos millers? I.E., players who present themselves as Law but are actually Chaos? We already know the scumteam falsely presents Law/Chaos as their alignment.

MaximumSpin for rolefishing, that most reliable of scumtells!

I hope you're not being serious because this is zzzzzzzzzzz

On that note, I identify as a Neutral, for any investigators out there.

Alright, neato.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 04:33:23 pm
Now the idea of keeping the balance between law and chaos is all well and good but why is Max the Riddler and not, say, Jim?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 04:33:40 pm
...TricMagic then.

Maximum Spin: I would really like some explanation toward your public alignment being question marks.
It means that I am a pure and devout follower of ? ? ?.

It's an auto ability, that's all.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 04:39:14 pm
A likely story.

So Max is 0 for 2 on avoiding scumtells so far, voting a suspected (admittedly only by me) third party. What say we quickhammer?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 04:41:12 pm
So Max is 0 for 2 on avoiding scumtells so far, voting a suspected (admittedly only by me) third party.
Someone needs to re-read the OP methinks.

Neutral are the mafia.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 04:47:27 pm
Hey man, only I am allowed to take the piss out of other players’ inattentiveness.

I mean… it’s kosher to claim Miller early doors.

It’s also kosher to get rid of claimed Millers so the mafia can’t fakeclaim it soooo…

TricMagic
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 04:53:45 pm
I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 24, 2022, 04:58:30 pm
Maximum Spin: I would really like some explanation toward your public alignment being question marks.
It means that I am a pure and devout follower of ? ? ?.

It's an auto ability, that's all.

So you're not part of Law or Chaos, because if you were, you could just say that.

I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.

You really think he claimed being scum?

It’s also kosher to get rid of claimed Millers so the mafia can’t fakeclaim it soooo…

TricMagic

This is also zzzzzzzzzzzzzz and by zzzzzzzzzz I mean lazy reasons for voting that I don't like.

Name the last game you played where scum fakeclaimed miller.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 05:02:59 pm
What do you think Tric was claiming, guy?

PPE: wE mUsT kEeP tHe MeTa PuRe

If you’re so bored by the boring plays maybe you can do something to get us out of RVS then :p
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 05:04:26 pm
I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.

You really think he claimed being scum?
It seemed to me that he also missed that neutral meant mafia, and thought that it was just a normal thing to admit to.

If he says he meant that he only investigates as a neutral, though, I'll reconsider.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 05:08:47 pm
He did say he was letting the investigators on our team know about it.

Maybe none of us can read and we all have to inform everyone else how to interpret the game.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 24, 2022, 05:15:18 pm

MaximumSpin for rolefishing, that most reliable of scumtells!

I hope you're not being serious because this is zzzzzzzzzzz

Failing to detect/ignore facetiousness. Rolefishing isn't a scumtell for me, but this really is. Scum like responding to low-handing fruit, even if it doesn't go anywhere.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 05:26:12 pm
Toonyman: So do you think Max is actually townconf, or just has a hidden alignment, now you'd been reminded what the OP says? Or do you think there could be three scum, I guess?
I feel like he's probably not mafia.

Tric is probably town. I think Jim is too.

Wait a second, that's every Law player except NQT.

Someone needs to re-read the OP methinks.
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Additionally, it is guaranteed that at least one Mafia member will present as Law-aligned, and at least one Mafia member will present as Chaos-aligned. By default, Law and Chaos alignments are publically known.

Hmmmm NQT is probably mafia then. Sorry Law bros.

I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.
Get your eyes checked.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 05:54:32 pm
NJW2000.

I could claim Miller, because it would be funny, but I won't for everyone else's sake. Or maybe I will idk might change my mind later.

ToonyMan didn't even let me post before unvoting, how sad.

Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.

I'm all-in on ToonyMan being Town. Choo choo train.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 24, 2022, 06:06:12 pm
Wait.. okay. I reread the intro and now have a good grasp of what I’m doing, but why NJW? Do you have any special reasoning for this? I mean, I’m likely to believe you anyway, but I would like to know
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 24, 2022, 06:19:03 pm
I'm guessing Tric is going to claim miller at this point, either because that's what he meant or because it'd be the only reasonable way to hide an astonishing scumslip.

While it's very uncommon to fakeclaim miller on bay12, I'd actually call a miller claim NAI or worse at this point... it's plausible that there is one, but there's been a plague of boring stupid shit fascinating miller roles on this site recently, and a lot of discussion of them floating around. Tric is quite likely to be paired with someone aggressive and out-there enough to capitalise on that, given the people playing in this game.

Web also recently told me he was one of two players to ever claim miller as scum on bay12... don't know how relevant that is, but we should definitely policy eliminate him today, just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 24, 2022, 06:19:25 pm
Clarification: by "him", I mean Web.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 06:25:12 pm
ToonyMan didn't even let me post before unvoting, how sad.
It can't be helped.

Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.
Why?

Tric is mafia guys
Given I can kill everything with a weakness to Light? Yes.
On that note, I identify as a Neutral, for any investigators out there.
MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROOOLE OH MY GOD MY ROOOOOOOOLE
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 24, 2022, 06:27:26 pm
eh?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 06:28:01 pm
I would like to propose policy lynching NJW2000.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 06:46:28 pm
Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.
Why?
Too hard to hit the color button on my phone.

Ba dum tsh.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 06:49:23 pm
I would like to propose policy lynching NJW2000.
This will find scum!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 24, 2022, 07:15:35 pm
Definitely, there is no doubt
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Roden on July 24, 2022, 07:25:45 pm
Quote
Vote Count
------------------------
webadict: 0
Knightwing64: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 2; hector13, Maximum Spin
NJW2000: 1; webadict
notquitethere: 1; ToonyMan
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
hector13: 1; Jim Groovester
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 3 - Knightwing64, TricMagic, notquitethere

5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~67 hours remaining).


It is currently Day.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 07:28:10 pm
Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.
Why?
Too hard to hit the color button on my phone.

Ba dum tsh.

I have to laboriously type out the parentheses and shit on my phone because clicking any of the buttons for it inserts it at the very start of my message.

It’s also nice when I accidentally click “add quote” in the middle of a message and have to scroll through it all to figure out what’s message and what’s unneeded quote.

Anyway…

As a theorycrafting thing, we know that there is at least one mafia member in the Law “team” and one in the Chaos “team”, so we may wish to focus our attention on one team during D1 and N1 to narrow down who is scum on which “team”.

Obviously this is made more challenging by an apparent Miller claim and Max being on the mystery team, but eh, it’s early enough we can flesh the idea out or discard it.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 24, 2022, 08:14:27 pm
I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.

I was though. For the record, I do have some good town support. Feel free to tell me if you get any debuffs, and I'll clear them right up.

... Assuming you're town anyway.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 08:14:55 pm
@hector: It's not Tric. Next plz.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 08:40:00 pm
I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.
Not sold on Jim.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 08:54:01 pm
By that logic you should be voting Knightwing.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 08:57:08 pm
I don’t think voting knightwing will produce anything particularly useful.

But I can park it there until knightwing does, I s’pose.

Knightwing, looking for some content from you, burrito buddio.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 08:58:58 pm
Knightwing64
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 09:01:29 pm
@Maximum Spin: Knightwing-o-meter?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 09:08:39 pm
@Maximum Spin: Knightwing-o-meter?
I just looked it over...
The Knightwing-o-meter reports mafia.

I was actually going to accuse NQT and Knightwing of being the team in my first post, just on a silly whim. I'm starting to think it was right.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 09:09:46 pm
eh?
TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.

I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.
Not sold on Jim.
You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.

@Maximum Spin: Knightwing-o-meter?
I should be the resident Knightwing reader. :(

PPE:
I was actually going to accuse NQT and Knightwing of being the team in my first post, just on a silly whim. I'm starting to think it was right.
It's...possible.

GG mafia
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 09:10:41 pm
(I'm not going to put him in hammer range just yet, but I should unvote, it's probably not Tric.

I didn't really think it was Tric, but I thought that was the best way to find out.)
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 09:15:54 pm
I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.
Not sold on Jim.
You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Spoiler: Mafia Eyes Only (click to show/hide)
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 09:18:27 pm
I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.
Not sold on Jim.
You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Spoiler: Mafia Eyes Only (click to show/hide)
I don't wanna be first kill again :(
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 24, 2022, 09:20:06 pm
I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.
Not sold on Jim.
You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Spoiler: Mafia Eyes Only (click to show/hide)
I don't wanna be first kill again :(
Maximum Spin is mafia, confirmed. Got 'em.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 09:24:18 pm
I will be fair to NQT because he’s a Brit and I think the game started lateish there and NQT is probably unconscious just now.

just in case y’all are being serious, I am so tired
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 24, 2022, 09:38:33 pm
I will be fair to NQT because he’s a Brit and I think the game started lateish there and NQT is probably unconscious just now.

just in case y’all are being serious, I am so tired
I am serious about NQT. Unless he can convince me the Law mafia is Tric or Jim or Max.

Max's auto seems to be hiding whether they're Law or Chaos (or Neutral I guess), so it's true they could be mafia and that all four of a respective alignment are innocent, so that's something I don't really want consider but will mention regardless. Max doesn't really have a reason to reveal their alignment, as it's beneficial to hide it whether they're town or mafia.

If Max really is Law or Chaos, then he knows there's at least one mafia inside Webadict/Knightwing/NJW/Hector and Jim/Toony/Tric/NQT.

This is why he says this here:
I was actually going to accuse NQT and Knightwing of being the team in my first post, just on a silly whim. I'm starting to think it was right.
This gives me the gut feeling that Max is legit and town.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 24, 2022, 10:02:22 pm
I don’t think that’s the best gut read in the world because the conclusion that Knightwing and NQT could be a scum team could have been made by anyone, and indeed any combination of [chaos]/[law] players.

Except me, apparently, but I am a bit slow. I’ll blame it on being distracted by the kid.

What is it about what Jim’s posted so far that has NQT scumlocked though? I get Tric, you’re not going to out yourself so easily if you are scum, but Jim hasn’t posted much of use, however entertaining what he has posted is.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 24, 2022, 10:30:28 pm
Brief message as this is literally 4.30AM and if I hadn't been woken up by something I would still be deep asleep...

The key for me is that we know there is one scum in each alignment. I know I'm good, so my best bet is to clear other law members one way or another.

Parking a vote on TricMagic and am going back to bed.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 24, 2022, 11:50:22 pm
MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROOOLE OH MY GOD MY ROOOOOOOOLE
eh?
TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.

Will this ever get old?

Tric is probably town. I think Jim is too.

I probably don't need to ask this but I'm going to anyway.

Was TricMagic's miller claim and one line of rolerolerolerole enough for you to read him as town here?

Failing to detect/ignore facetiousness. Rolefishing isn't a scumtell for me, but this really is. Scum like responding to low-handing fruit, even if it doesn't go anywhere.

Are you really going to say it's suspicious that I couldn't tell whether you were being serious or not

For real

Web also recently told me he was one of two players to ever claim miller as scum on bay12... don't know how relevant that is, but we should definitely policy eliminate him today, just to be on the safe side.

Whew boy I wasn't ready for this reading your post.

Anyways since there's no vote to go along with it I can only assume you're not serious.

I would like to propose policy lynching NJW2000.

I will unvote but vote NJW2000 in spirit to go along with this.

It seemed to me that he also missed that neutral meant mafia, and thought that it was just a normal thing to admit to.

If he says he meant that he only investigates as a neutral, though, I'll reconsider.

I think TricMagic is capable enough as a player to not make that mistake.

@Maximum Spin: Knightwing-o-meter?
I just looked it over...
The Knightwing-o-meter reports mafia.

I was actually going to accuse NQT and Knightwing of being the team in my first post, just on a silly whim. I'm starting to think it was right.

I trust this read if you're town but I never suspected you while spectating Beginner BYOR 2 so I don't know if I can trust you yet.

Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.

Are you going to elaborate?

webadict doesn't elaborate.

Alright.

What is it about what Jim’s posted so far that has NQT scumlocked though? I get Tric, you’re not going to out yourself so easily if you are scum, but Jim hasn’t posted much of use, however entertaining what he has posted is.

I don't find utility arguments particularly compelling as a rubric for alignment.

But even if I did I've still been more useful than you, fight me.



I find NJW2000 and hector13 the most objectionable so far but since they're both Chaos there can only be one scum between the two of them. I think I pick NJW2000 between the two. webadict and Knightwing64 are both null but Knightwing64 seems pretty apathetic so far.

I need to pick one scum between ToonyMan, TricMagic, and notquitethere. I feel like it's not ToonyMan but I am terrified of his skill. I'd need to see more of TricMagic and notquitethere to make the determination between the two. TricMagic's role obsession is there but it seems muted compared to what I would normally expect. notquitethere is alive but sleepy.

Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 24, 2022, 11:58:51 pm
I trust this read if you're town but I never suspected you while spectating Beginner BYOR 2 so I don't know if I can trust you yet.
I am always completely trustworthy, especially as mafia.

That said, Knightwing hasn't posted much so I may revise the read with more data. It's still preliminary.
Quote
Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.
The important thing is that I am town.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 12:10:20 am
@Jim: Prior to your most recent post, your main contribution was to complain about boring plays, complain about how I was voting arbitrarily while you were voting me because I was chaos, and there was probably something else but I can’t be bothered reading the thread back at this hour.

My main problem with Toony clearing you over NQT is the above combined with the fact NQT hadn’t even posted yet, -though their initial post and vote of a claimed Miller in what is probably getting to the tail-end of RVS is… questionable, as an RVS vote and probably beyond that also - and while I tend to gut read everything, I’m disinclined to indict (convict? There’s a word there I want to use and I don’t know if either of those are quite it) someone before they’ve posted, particularly when they’re being scumread over someone whose contribution was 90% shitpost.

It ain’t a mountain, but it’s a notable molehill.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 12:23:22 am
Also I should clarify that someone being useful is them being useful in RVS, in other words doing things to get out of it quickly, which the shitposting, while fun, is not useful. *banal story about scum wanting to stay in RVS forever*

There’s no time for fun and games in mafia, it’s srs bznz.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 01:12:21 am
That's reasonable. Hector seems pretty town here.

You suspect Jim so you're arguing that suspecting NQT over Jim seems wrong when NQT hadn't even posted yet. I don't agree, but maybe NQT will prove me wrong tomorrow. Voting Tric is definitely not the move.

@Jim:
Yes. Tric is town! Knightwing is mafia! The die has been cast. The coin has been flipped.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 25, 2022, 01:19:21 am
The important thing is that I am town.

Yeah, yeah, sure, of course, but I'd rather identify one scum between four chaos players and one scum between three law players, instead of identify one scum between four chaos players + Maximum Spin and one scum between three law players + Maximum Spin.

@Jim: Prior to your most recent post, your main contribution was to complain about boring plays, complain about how I was voting arbitrarily while you were voting me because I was chaos, and there was probably something else but I can’t be bothered reading the thread back at this hour.

My main problem with Toony clearing you over NQT is the above combined with the fact NQT hadn’t even posted yet, -though their initial post and vote of a claimed Miller in what is probably getting to the tail-end of RVS is… questionable, as an RVS vote and probably beyond that also - and while I tend to gut read everything, I’m disinclined to indict (convict? There’s a word there I want to use and I don’t know if either of those are quite it) someone before they’ve posted, particularly when they’re being scumread over someone whose contribution was 90% shitpost.

It ain’t a mountain, but it’s a notable molehill.
Also I should clarify that someone being useful is them being useful in RVS, in other words doing things to get out of it quickly, which the shitposting, while fun, is not useful. *banal story about scum wanting to stay in RVS forever*

There’s no time for fun and games in mafia, it’s srs bznz.

But shitposts are useful content and I'd rather have the shitposts over the

I don't even know what RVS alternative you're suggesting is preferable to shitposts.

Because shitposts give a glimpse into a player's attitude and how comfortable and genuine they appear to be, both important indicators for whether a player is town or scum.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 01:31:45 am
The important thing is that I am town.

Yeah, yeah, sure, of course, but I'd rather identify one scum between four chaos players and one scum between three law players, instead of identify one scum between four chaos players + Maximum Spin and one scum between three law players + Maximum Spin.
Right, so assume I am town, and then identify one scum between four chaos players, and then correctly decide that it is Knightwing, and then identify one scum between three law players. Then you win!

Okay, I know I'm not being helpful, but I'm 100% serious that I am town. If you are really concerned that I might not be, focus on finding my partner first, which would also give you my alignment; but it's a waste of time and you're better off just townclearing me in your head.

Actually, I'd really like to give you my alignment, but I'm pretty sure there's a reason it's hidden.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 01:58:59 am
That's reasonable. Hector seems pretty town here.

You suspect Jim so you're arguing that suspecting NQT over Jim seems wrong when NQT hadn't even posted yet. I don't agree, but maybe NQT will prove me wrong tomorrow. Voting Tric is definitely not the move.

@Jim:
Yes. Tric is town! Knightwing is mafia! The die has been cast. The coin has been flipped.

Not quite. Basically RVS for me is tipping scales one way or the other, but aren’t by any means solid reads that’ll last the game. As examples:

Tric gets his scales filled slightly to the town side for claiming Miller in his first post.

Jim gets his scales tipped toward scum for the shitposting, but tipped back toward the middle/town for the more recent stuff.

You’re doing odd things (but it is RVS and is “useful”) that are making other people post things but I don’t like that you are townreading Jim when his posts to that point didn’t have much “content” in them, while you were using that in a process of elimination to scumread NQT, who had any posted his oddness yet.

The Jim/NQT thing makes you look bad, but it’s a small part in your overall contribution that’s notable, but not worrisome.

It’s difficult to explain right given my lack of sleep. I think what it comes down to is I haven’t played many games with you or Jim, and you both cut your teeth in a different time to me on the board. You probably both have a better understanding of how the other plays and what that means as it relates to alignments. Consequently you’re doing a lot of work “under the hood” so to speak, so it makes sense to you that what Jim’s doing looks town because you’ve seen it before, whereas I’m working on a blank(er) slate so it doesn’t makes as much sense to me how you’re getting your read. Something like that anyway, if any of that makes sense.

The important thing is that I am town.

Yeah, yeah, sure, of course, but I'd rather identify one scum between four chaos players and one scum between three law players, instead of identify one scum between four chaos players + Maximum Spin and one scum between three law players + Maximum Spin.

@Jim: Prior to your most recent post, your main contribution was to complain about boring plays, complain about how I was voting arbitrarily while you were voting me because I was chaos, and there was probably something else but I can’t be bothered reading the thread back at this hour.

My main problem with Toony clearing you over NQT is the above combined with the fact NQT hadn’t even posted yet, -though their initial post and vote of a claimed Miller in what is probably getting to the tail-end of RVS is… questionable, as an RVS vote and probably beyond that also - and while I tend to gut read everything, I’m disinclined to indict (convict? There’s a word there I want to use and I don’t know if either of those are quite it) someone before they’ve posted, particularly when they’re being scumread over someone whose contribution was 90% shitpost.

It ain’t a mountain, but it’s a notable molehill.
Also I should clarify that someone being useful is them being useful in RVS, in other words doing things to get out of it quickly, which the shitposting, while fun, is not useful. *banal story about scum wanting to stay in RVS forever*

There’s no time for fun and games in mafia, it’s srs bznz.

But shitposts are useful content and I'd rather have the shitposts over the

I don't even know what RVS alternative you're suggesting is preferable to shitposts.

Because shitposts give a glimpse into a player's attitude and how comfortable and genuine they appear to be, both important indicators for whether a player is town or scum.

It might just be a difference in playstyle. Shitposting might make you look relaxed, but it doesn’t tend to get others involved in the game. A good response to a shitpost is a shitpost, which doesn’t tell me much about anything. Very specifically me, anyway. Equally so, someone could shitpost a few times then read their PM if they’re worried about getting stressed out over being scum or something.

I think asking questions and voting encourages other players to get involved, allowing a more complete (for RVS!) picture of the game.

Horses for courses though, if we all played the game the same way it would be boring.

my way is still better
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 25, 2022, 03:44:20 am

Failing to detect/ignore facetiousness. Rolefishing isn't a scumtell for me, but this really is. Scum like responding to low-handing fruit, even if it doesn't go anywhere.

Are you really going to say it's suspicious that I couldn't tell whether you were being serious or not

For real

Or didn't ask before responding, anyway. Yes, I am.

It's a very useful tell for me, especially with experienced, powerwolfing-type players. Which is kinda your schtick, isn't it?

The point is, it's using any excuse to post aggressively, even over finding out what someone else is thinking. Establishes an active, dominant presence, but doesn't lead to you learning more about my alignment.

I mean, there are potential mitigating factors here like English not being your best language, you being a mafia greenhorn, particularly poor at reading tone for some reason, just an idiot, etc. But I've read your past games, and I don't think any of these apply.

The immediate claim that you think I'm scum after I suspect you is also typical powerwolf.



eh?
TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.

Oh. I'd give Tric a bit more credit than this. Remember that game he didn't claim D1 because he was a sandwich maker, and you voted him out on it? Not only did it save my ass as mafia, it gave me such a rock-solid reason for voting you out D2 you were still talking about how reasonable it was D3. Still haven't learned?


Actually, I'd really like to give you my alignment, but I'm pretty sure there's a reason it's hidden.
Got any ways to publically prove your alignment? Could be useful if the first scum flips the same way.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 05:07:40 am
I'm with NJW on this one.

Anyway, Max is Town.

Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 25, 2022, 05:40:43 am
OK, awake and reading the thread.

Hahah, serves me right for not reading the thread before posting. So Tric has claimed Miller.

So that leaves it between Jim and Toony. I have a hard time reading scum!Toony as scum, so it's safest to clear the Toony slot first. But I could be persuaded on Jim.

PLAN!

I'm going all in and betting there's a doc among you. Let's lynch Toony (or Jim) today, and if he's town then I'll resurrect him. Even if there's not a doc and scum nk me, then we'll still have a confirmed town on D2 OR a dead scum D1.

So what do you say?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 05:47:21 am
No thanks. That's a shitty plan.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 25, 2022, 06:02:42 am
@NQT

Sounds like a reasonable plan... unless mafia have the ability to screw with your res, in which case claiming it this early was not great. Not going to commit to voting Jim or Toony though.

Also, you seem to have forgotten Max might be law?

Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 25, 2022, 06:09:38 am
NJW, Max might be, yeah. I think that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-to-it kind of problem.

And if scum want to waste their night action interfering with my plans... that just means they're not interfering with other town players who may be cops, vigs, docs, etc.


Web, flat dismissal. Interesting. So what's the argument for launching Knightwing?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 06:35:22 am
Do you guys never sleep?  :'(

Of course I wasn’t posting, I was sleeping. I guess it’s just time zone differences.

Also, I’m not mafia. Promise. (I suppose I could be mafia to the order faction but whatever)


How can I prove to you I’m not mafia? Because the game just started and it would suck to leave so soon


Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 06:37:41 am
Knightwing is scum. Toony isn't. Jim is, though.

If you're gonna launch someone, pick someone scummy. There's nothing stopping you from being roleblocked, killed, or from simply being scum. I think your plan is pointless because it could remove someone strong and active instead and basically leave us further behind than we started.

Your plan is basically: I don't care who goes first so long as it isn't me, which is fine, I don't care, but if we remove the scum from my side, then we'll start launching the entire Law faction one at a time and be in a better spot.

Why go after maybe scum Jim or Toony when obvscum Knightwing exists?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 06:39:22 am
Do you guys never sleep?  :'(

Of course I wasn’t posting, I was sleeping. I guess it’s just time zone differences.

Also, I’m not mafia. Promise. (I suppose I could be mafia to the order faction but whatever)


How can I prove to you I’m not mafia? Because the game just started and it would suck to leave so soon
^Knightwing, if you're not scum, who is scum in the Chaos faction?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 06:49:40 am
Do you guys never sleep?  :'(

Of course I wasn’t posting, I was sleeping. I guess it’s just time zone differences.

Also, I’m not mafia. Promise. (I suppose I could be mafia to the order faction but whatever)


How can I prove to you I’m not mafia? Because the game just started and it would suck to leave so soon
^Knightwing, if you're not scum, who is scum in the Chaos faction?

👁👄👁

Wot?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 25, 2022, 07:15:30 am
Knightwing: He's asking you to post some reads: who you think may or may not be scum, based on their posts so far. You don't have to be 100%, you do have to have an opinion. Reread the thread if you need to. Whose jokes are coming across as forced? Who's hiding something? Who seems to be making dubious arguments?



@Max: you don't think much of D1 elims, you do like being townconf, NQT claims a res. Do you want people to vote you out today? If not, why not?



@NQT:
NJW, Max might be, yeah. I think that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-to-it kind of problem.
Uh... why is it that kind of problem? And when do we get to it? We can't just plough through four miselims.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 07:20:23 am
I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.
Not sold on Jim.
You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Spoiler: Mafia Eyes Only (click to show/hide)
I don't wanna be first kill again :(
Maximum Spin is mafia, confirmed. Got 'em.

The fact that max didn’t respond to this, and didn’t even give a joke in reply is kinda weird to me. Dunno, not much has gone on yet that I can base my accusations on. Web is sussing everybody but himself, but he always does that, so….
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 07:25:29 am
Damn, Max, can you even hear Knightwing over those blaring alarm bells?

Also, Knightwing might've accidentally confirmed he's Mafia as well.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 07:34:25 am
@NJW:
Fine. But Tric claiming miller is still a good look.

@NQT:
Ur plan is dum

@Knightwing:
You're going to die today posting like that. I'm reading you as mafia hard.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 08:18:44 am
I’m just posting how I normally do…

Wth

Fine, whatever. Vote me out if you want.


Like, I can’t accuse anybody of being guilty like you can with nothing to base it off of, my brain doesn’t work like that. Maybe I’ll claim to have a blah blah meter next game and see if that gets people to vote you out

 >:(
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 08:31:50 am
I’m just posting how I normally do…

Wth

Fine, whatever. Vote me out if you want.


Like, I can’t accuse anybody of being guilty like you can with nothing to base it off of, my brain doesn’t work like that. Maybe I’ll claim to have a blah blah meter next game and see if that gets people to vote you out

 >:(
Okay, then explain to me this one: How is this you different from scum you?

I don't care how you explain it, but what would you be doing differently? What would you be doing the same? Show me some examples of you being scum that differ from your play here.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 08:44:05 am
I’m just posting how I normally do…

Wth

Fine, whatever. Vote me out if you want.


Like, I can’t accuse anybody of being guilty like you can with nothing to base it off of, my brain doesn’t work like that. Maybe I’ll claim to have a blah blah meter next game and see if that gets people to vote you out

 >:(
Okay, then explain to me this one: How is this you different from scum you?

I don't care how you explain it, but what would you be doing differently? What would you be doing the same? Show me some examples of you being scum that differ from your play here.

Well, for one, when I’m scum I’m not really as invested as I am when I’m town. I joke a lot more and etc, I might make a joke here or there but I’m still mostly serious. Also, I would be making inane excuses instead of doing what I’m doing right now and genuinely trying to get you to realize that I’m town
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 25, 2022, 08:48:45 am
I find NJW2000 and hector13 the most objectionable so far but since they're both Chaos there can only be one scum between the two of them. I think I pick NJW2000 between the two. webadict and Knightwing64 are both null but Knightwing64 seems pretty apathetic so far.

I need to pick one scum between ToonyMan, TricMagic, and notquitethere. I feel like it's not ToonyMan but I am terrified of his skill. I'd need to see more of TricMagic and notquitethere to make the determination between the two. TricMagic's role obsession is there but it seems muted compared to what I would normally expect. notquitethere is alive but sleepy.

Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.

It's actually two lines right now. I'm being cautious cause deducing a demon allows the mafia to steal it, even if they fail to kill the target. I'd rather not lose mine, particularly since a lot of demons are weak to light.

That said, I'm not really afraid of being lynched either. And as has been proven in the past, I can't really draw a nightkill either, so.. Not really any pressure? If Mafia kills me, that removes a miller. If not, I'm still in the game. Healing debuffs is my game, since that's a Day skill. (Probably say too much though. At least it's fairly common.)
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 08:52:05 am
@Knightwing:
Who do you think is mafia in the Chaos faction?

Web, NJW, or Hector? Or do you think Max is more likely?

Webadict is serious you know, he wouldn't be prioritizing another Chaos member without confidence.

@Tric:
You are correct that mafia are...unlikely to try to kill you at night.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 08:55:30 am
I think I’ll triple down on that line of questioning Knightwing. The quickest way to get us off your back is having opinions on the other players in the game, so long as you can back ‘em up.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 25, 2022, 08:58:10 am
NQT, there is a fundamental flaw in your plan. We may be able to revive a player, but that also means Mafia has a 100% chance to steal one of their demons. Or did you miss that in your brilliant Role?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 09:03:54 am
I think I’ll triple down on that line of questioning Knightwing. The quickest way to get us off your back is having opinions on the other players in the game, so long as you can back ‘em up.

Okay. I won’t be able to post for a few hours, because run driving to a camping site, but once I’m there I’ll do that
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 12:02:41 pm
[shortened for legibility
Let me break this down because I'm gonna use your words against you here.

Well, for one, when I’m scum I’m not really as invested as I am when I’m town. I joke a lot more and etc, I might make a joke here or there but I’m still mostly serious.
This post does sound a bit disinterested, but that's taking things a bit out of context, but your opening post and a few of your reads seem joke-based, yes?

Hmm. I thought chaos and law demons were in the same side in this? One second, lemme reread the introduction 😅
The fact that max didn't respond to this, and didn't even give a joke in reply is kinda weird to me. Dunno, not much has gone on yet that I can base my accusations on. Web is sussing everybody but himself, but he always does that.
Of your 9 posts, none of them really contained any reads other than the preceding.

I'd be hoping for more meta-commentary from you, since you are a bit more lurky as scum, so this assessment is correct:
Also, I would be making inane excuses instead of doing what I’m doing right now and genuinely trying to get you to realize that I’m town
... But, you've been making several excuses for your lack of posting consistently so far:
Do you guys never sleep?  Of course I wasn't posting, I was sleeping. I guess it's just time zone differences.Also, I'm not mafia. Promise. (I suppose I could be mafia to the order faction but whatever) How can I prove to you I'm not mafia? Because the game just started and it would suck to leave so soon
Okay. I won't be able to post for a few hours, because run driving to a camping site, but once I'm there I'll do that
But, that's a little unfair, in that they're not exactly inane, but they DO match your previous modus operandi as scum, AND your scum description is, shall we say, a little too on the nose?

The point of this is that I'm still left at that single question: How exactly is this NOT you as scum? Shall I begin scouring the other games for better examples?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 12:48:01 pm
Damn, Max, can you even hear Knightwing over those blaring alarm bells?
I cannot.

I take back what I said about it being preliminary.
@Max: you don't think much of D1 elims, you do like being townconf, NQT claims a res. Do you want people to vote you out today? If not, why not?
No. I don't like being killed and relying on someone else who could easily just be lying, and even still could end up screwing it up. Besides, my alignment is private for a reason, presumably, and even if it's totally fine to have it revealed, I don't want my powers stolen. Besides, I don't have any problem with a d1 lynch if it actually finds mafia, such as, for example, Knightwing.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 01:04:09 pm
Vote Count
------------------------
Knightwing64 - 2 - hector13* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393492#msg8393492), webadict* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393494#msg8393494),
notquitethere - 2 - ToonyMan* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393444#msg8393444), TricMagic* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393647#msg8393647),
Maximum Spin - 1 - NJW2000* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393415#msg8393415),
TricMagic - 1 - notquitethere* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393513#msg8393513),
hector13 - 0 -
Jim Groovester - 0 -
NJW2000 - 0 -
ToonyMan - 0 -
webadict - 0 -
No One - 0 -

Not Voting - 3 - Jim Groovester* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393526#msg8393526), Knightwing64, Maximum Spin* (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393499#msg8393499),


Would like to see more votes from Jim and Knightwing. I would also like to see a vote form Max as well, but less of a concern.

Let's also take a look at the long arm of the Law side...
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 25, 2022, 01:15:19 pm
… the fact I only placed a weak rvs vote not register, or are you just zeroed in on Knightwing and Jim?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 01:57:11 pm
Ninja, at the top with you!
… the fact I only placed a weak rvs vote not register, or are you just zeroed in on Knightwing and Jim?
Blah blah blah, whatever, I don't really care. You're never voting out Maximum Spin on Day 1, and you're definitely gonna have a hard time convincing me that Maximum Spin is mafia here, which will make me complain a lot about your vote. If you wanna complain that I'm focused on Jim, then you're not paying attention to what I'm saying. But, I don't care about what you're saying because it doesn't matter to me right now because you're not making a case, since you're effectively Town if Knightwing is scum, and if Knightwing is Town, then you're scum!

See? Easy logic. Not a problem. Moving on.

I find NJW2000 and hector13 the most objectionable so far but since they're both Chaos there can only be one scum between the two of them. I think I pick NJW2000 between the two. webadict and Knightwing64 are both null but Knightwing64 seems pretty apathetic so far.

I need to pick one scum between ToonyMan, TricMagic, and notquitethere. I feel like it's not ToonyMan but I am terrified of his skill. I'd need to see more of TricMagic and notquitethere to make the determination between the two. TricMagic's role obsession is there but it seems muted compared to what I would normally expect. notquitethere is alive but sleepy.

Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.

It's actually two lines right now. I'm being cautious cause deducing a demon allows the mafia to steal it, even if they fail to kill the target. I'd rather not lose mine, particularly since a lot of demons are weak to light.

That said, I'm not really afraid of being lynched either. And as has been proven in the past, I can't really draw a nightkill either, so.. Not really any pressure? If Mafia kills me, that removes a miller. If not, I'm still in the game. Healing debuffs is my game, since that's a Day skill. (Probably say too much though. At least it's fairly common.)
Alright, TricMagic is a Miller => More likely to be Town than random chance. Tric hasn't really said anything, though, which I find worrisome, so I'm willing to switch my stance here to TricMagic potentially being scummy. I'm mostly changing my mind here because I'm thinking of who could be partners with Knightwing. Without Knightwing, TricMagic is meh? Which means he's still kinda scummy, but less so.

I find NJW2000 and hector13 the most objectionable so far but since they're both Chaos there can only be one scum between the two of them. I think I pick NJW2000 between the two. webadict and Knightwing64 are both null but Knightwing64 seems pretty apathetic so far.

I need to pick one scum between ToonyMan, TricMagic, and notquitethere. I feel like it's not ToonyMan but I am terrified of his skill. I'd need to see more of TricMagic and notquitethere to make the determination between the two. TricMagic's role obsession is there but it seems muted compared to what I would normally expect. notquitethere is alive but sleepy.

Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.
Jim Groovester is next. Jim Groovester has 4 posts, but I'm not liking his (lack of) takes against Knightwing. By this time, Knightwing had posted 3 times with very little content, but NJW2000 had posted 5 times with only a little more, but Jim really seemed to think that the minor difference in substance was enough to indicate that NJW2000 was among the scum in the Chaos faction. Honestly, I find this a bit hard to swallow, and it feels like covering for Knightwing, which I could see Jim doing as scum for Town or scum Knightwing.

Also, he brings up 3P, which should automatically make him sus.

And lastly, ToonyMan. ToonyMan's got a bunch of posts going. I know I called him Town, but that's just what I'd like to see. If anything, my biggest issues are these two posts:
@NQT:
Ur plan is dum

@Knightwing:
You're going to die today posting like that. I'm reading you as mafia hard.
@Knightwing:
Who do you think is mafia in the Chaos faction?

Web, NJW, or Hector? Or do you think Max is more likely?

Webadict is serious you know, he wouldn't be prioritizing another Chaos member without confidence.
These feel like warning posts towards Knightwing. I'm not a fan.

Oh, and NQT, I guess:
NJW, Max might be, yeah. I think that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-to-it kind of problem.

And if scum want to waste their night action interfering with my plans... that just means they're not interfering with other town players who may be cops, vigs, docs, etc.

Web, flat dismissal. Interesting. So what's the argument for launching Knightwing?
notquitethere came up with a small plan, blah blah blah, if he can actually revive someone... Woo? It's a great backup plan, and a confirmable Action.

Honestly, I'm not sure if this is NQT being more or less Town. I can't decide. Toony and Tric are voting him... I'd be willing to bet that ToonyMan is more likely to be scum here than NQT.

So, my Law order is completely jacked. It's probably not NQT, but it could easily be NQT. But, that's not the point. The point is by removing the Mafia from the Chaos side, we've effectively protected NQT, since he can never be killed before all the Chaos players and Maximum Spin are dead (Or, I guess the Mafia can totally kill NQT, whatever, I don't care!)
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 02:02:36 pm
Okay, obviously, the lack of posts because I am traveling right now and have really bad car sickness so I can’t go on the phone is utterly irrelevant and means I’m scum!

I did what you said. You dismissed it and then called me scum anyways, so I doubt anything I could do will convince you at this point.


I will just take solace in the fact that you are wrong and smile as I fall asleep.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 02:04:08 pm
I don't think Toony can reasonably be scum with Knightwing unless we posit that Knightwing is completely intractable in the scumchat. That's far from impossible, but since Toony knows exactly what we're looking for, he would be best posed to stop Knightwing from doing it, and ought to have been trying from the start.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 02:18:36 pm
Okay, obviously, the lack of posts because I am traveling right now and have really bad car sickness so I can’t go on the phone is utterly irrelevant and means I’m scum!

I did what you said. You dismissed it and then called me scum anyways, so I doubt anything I could do will convince you at this point.


I will just take solace in the fact that you are wrong and smile as I fall asleep.
I'm not willing to be emotionally blackmailed right now, so I'm only going to double down if you try again. Personally, I'm not hitting very hard, and I'm really just looking for you to just show you're Town in one way or another. Are my points not legitimate? Am I missing something?

If you're busy, you're busy, but unfortunately, the last time you were busy, you were scum, lurking it up, so it makes it really hard to trust if you're telling the truth or not. You don't have to post if you don't want, but I'm not going to be swayed by you being angry at me.

I don't think Toony can reasonably be scum with Knightwing unless we posit that Knightwing is completely intractable in the scumchat. That's far from impossible, but since Toony knows exactly what we're looking for, he would be best posed to stop Knightwing from doing it, and ought to have been trying from the start.

Alright, that's a fair point. Let's move Toony to Town, then.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 02:21:45 pm
I’m town. What do you want me to say, I dunno, I feel like hector and Jim are kinda flying under the radar, hector for very low key posts and Jim for not talking much
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Roden on July 25, 2022, 02:27:03 pm
Quote
Vote Count
------------------------
webadict: 0
Knightwing64: 2; hector13, webadict
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 1; notquitethere
NJW2000: 0
notquitethere: 2; TricMagic, ToonyMan
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
hector13: 0
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 3 - Knightwing64, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin

5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~48 hours remaining).


It is currently Day.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 02:29:41 pm
One thing about a ToonyMan/Knightwing scum team would be that Toony has been on a team at least two times with Knightwing before and, to put it nicely, did not have the best experience with KW, I don’t know Toony well enough to know if they’d be able to cope with doing it a third without showing some strain though.

Equally so, they… *checks* well the OP doesn’t say they have a private chat or whatever anywhere, but it would be super weird for them to not have that, so why would Toony post warnings in the thread for everyone to see instead of in their private chat? Even if KW doesn’t regularly go there, Toony could PM (or ask permission to PM) KW and copy in Roden, so those warnings would imply at least one of the players is town.

PPE:Max ninja’d

NJW and Jim seem to be having something of a square go at each other, which is odd considering they’re on opposing “teams” and they’d have an easier time of finding scum among their own Chaos or Law buddies, but that tells me either one or the other is town, or they’re both town.

I’m becoming more and more convinced that Knightwing is scum though, because they’re being very defensive and not giving opinions on the other players. They also appear to have given up, which, while understandable, makes them feel more scum than town.

PPE2:
I’m town. What do you want me to say, I dunno, I feel like hector and Jim are kinda flying under the radar, hector for very low key posts and Jim for not talking much

What’s low key about my posting? What do you mean by low key?

All we’re asking you to do is give opinions on whether you think players are town or scum, and give reasons. We’re not expecting stellar analysis, especially on D1. This is a good start.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 25, 2022, 02:39:35 pm
Quick post while I'm working. More later.

PLAN!

I'm going all in and betting there's a doc among you. Let's lynch Toony (or Jim) today, and if he's town then I'll resurrect him. Even if there's not a doc and scum nk me, then we'll still have a confirmed town on D2 OR a dead scum D1.

So what do you say?

what the hell

'let's lynch everybody except me but also not Knightwing64'

Is this coming across as a desperate attempt to save Knightwing64 to anybody else?

If Knightwing64 is scum and he gets lynched then that makes all the Chaos players confirmed town, so I can understand why there might be a lot of desperation in making sure that doesn't happen.

Quote
Knightwing64 saying woe is me

I see a lot of complaining about how unjust people suspecting Knightwing64 are but not much in the way of reads and suspicions or much actual interest or investment in the outcome of the day game.

PPE: Reads by Knightwing64

I'll look at this again later when I've had a bit more time to think about the game.

Quote from: webadict
Jim needs to vote

I was voting NJW2000 in spirit to avoid racking up votes near hammer.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 02:41:37 pm
I’m town. What do you want me to say, I dunno, I feel like hector and Jim are kinda flying under the radar, hector for very low key posts and Jim for not talking much
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Personally, I think that hector13 has spewed more Town than any other player, and I've linked all his posts so that I don't look foolish. Most of his posts have been pretty substantive to me. Which post(s) do you feel are lacking?

I was voting NJW2000 in spirit to avoid racking up votes near hammer.
Wait... Do you also suspect Knightwing, though? The rest of your post has some indication that way.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 25, 2022, 02:49:11 pm
I'll state it more clearly later when I'm off work but yes.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 03:11:49 pm
My eyes just glance over their posts, I don’t really notice them. They seem the same as everybody else’s is.

And nowww I’m being suspected by Jim. Great



 :(
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 03:21:12 pm
At this point, I’m just starting to think I’m being set up by somebody. I know that sounds weird but I’m just doing what I always do and now I’m being voted out. I honestly, 100 percent do not understand why
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 03:50:35 pm
hector for very low key posts
Huh?

I'm okay with voting Knightwing today. I guess if anything that's better than voting NQT since KW is not my alignment.

At this point, I’m just starting to think I’m being set up by somebody. I know that sounds weird but I’m just doing what I always do and now I’m being voted out. I honestly, 100 percent do not understand why
WHO IS

THIS IS A PUBLIC THREAD
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 04:04:55 pm
D1 Reads

Townie
Max - actively hunting, thinking
Web - same as Max (why don't they like Jim?)
Tric - claimed miller!
Hector - really laying out their thoughts, don't think they're phony
Jim - feels good

Null
NJW - he's being mean, probably town

Mafia
NQT - Mr. bad plans, did they get stuck with KW this time?
KW - he's mafia, if he's not then that means me, Max, and Web are all wrong on our read which seems bad
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 04:23:53 pm
Web - same as Max (why don't they like Jim?)
I dunno... It's probably just me? I could totes be wrong, I usually am about Jim.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 25, 2022, 04:32:38 pm
It's okay but suboptimal if we launch Knightwing today. I'd rather res someone more effective at hunting (no offence KW), so killing Toony or Jim, or even Max, is more high value for me today.

I've not given the thread a close re-read. Someone want to tell me why KW is scum?

Toonyman
I'm okay with voting Knightwing today. I guess if anything that's better than voting NQT since KW is not my alignment.
Do you have a hidden objective or something? Killing in our own pool is preferable if you know your alignment.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 04:53:33 pm
You’re not making yourself look good there NQT. Do we don’t eliminate players based on their value :p how confident are you that your plan would actually work, not knowing what abilities the other players (town and scum) have available to them?

My reasons for voting KW:

Low effort posting
Not engaging with the game (not offering reads on events or players despite significant prompting)
Emotional blackmail
Giving up

Jim is also (in spirit he says) voting for a player of an opposing “alignment”, so what makes ToonyMan’s vote more egregious than Jim’s?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 25, 2022, 05:05:09 pm
I’m town. What do you want me to say, I dunno, I feel like hector and Jim are kinda flying under the radar, hector for very low key posts and Jim for not talking much
This kind of thing is good: it's an opinion about other players. Keep talking.


Toonyman: yeah, I'd also like to know why you keep producing stuff like this:

Webadict is serious you know, he wouldn't be prioritizing another Chaos member without confidence.

As if we're incentivised not to want elims in our own pool? I'm mostly going to ignore chaos/order stuff until someone flips scum, but I don't get why I'd want to avoid my own pool.



Webadict:
Ninja, at the top with you!
… the fact I only placed a weak rvs vote not register, or are you just zeroed in on Knightwing and Jim?
Blah blah blah, whatever, I don't really care. You're never voting out Maximum Spin on Day 1, and you're definitely gonna have a hard time convincing me that Maximum Spin is mafia here, which will make me complain a lot about your vote. If you wanna complain that I'm focused on Jim, then you're not paying attention to what I'm saying. But, I don't care about what you're saying because it doesn't matter to me right now because you're not making a case, since you're effectively Town if Knightwing is scum, and if Knightwing is Town, then you're scum!

See? Easy logic. Not a problem. Moving on.
This didn't make sense the first time I read it, and I'm not going to read it again, but the point I was making was that your post here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393700#msg8393700) talks as if the actual votes placed indicate the state of the game, when the RVS votes haven't even been cleaned up yet, and some players have been scumhunting without voting. As Jim said later, he voted me "in spirit" to avoid hammer proximity (ok, that is weird, as I think it would've take me to L-3 or something, but whatever), which counts as some kind of pressure.

You presented true information in a misleading light to suit your agenda; that's what I was picking up on. Care to explain?



Strong townlean on NQT - scum would probably hide a res and keep it in reserve, use it to either get townpoints or save their partner, depending how things went (especially if they could get KW or Tric out and use KW/Tric's playstyle as an excuse to not revive them). Even a town-specific res they'd want the option of never using.

I do also think a scum player would hear how NQT's last post just sounded and delete it before posting:

"let's eliminate our stronger players! Even the one we may not want to flip! I'm not reading that closely!"

Very bravura play if scum  :P
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 25, 2022, 05:29:07 pm
My pro strat is playing badly to get town cred  8)

But seriously, from my POV, flipping and resing stronger players is more useful for getting good confirmed town in the mid-late game.

I could be playing more psychological rather than mechanical, but honestly, I like to keep things exciting for myself and making claims and seeing the ripples is more fun than reading tone or whatever.

Jim is also (in spirit he says) voting for a player of an opposing “alignment”, so what makes ToonyMan’s vote more egregious than Jim’s?
Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.

As for Knightwing, I went and read back on his play in Jade Court where he was scum, and he was activelurking and disengaged from reading the game there, if that gives any hints to his scum style. Let's get some more interactions before we hit the big red button.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 05:31:29 pm
Wasn’t that like my first game?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 05:37:08 pm
Care to explain?
Not really, no.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 05:45:07 pm
We’ve been trying to get his reads but he/she/they/it won’t do it for some reason.

You’re going to get confirmed town strong players by eliminating the mafia players of their alignment. If you can build a compelling enough case against webadict then I’ll go with it, but because you’ve built a strong case and not because he’s a high value target for your ability :p

I appreciate keeping the game interesting for yourself buuuut your strategy relies on killing players with no guarantee you’ll be able to bring them back, which ruins the fun for them :o and that kind of selfish play is bad.

I also dislike the idea because it relies on the night phase, which is rubbish.

I still have reservations about you but we’ll see how you do over the remainder of the day.

Wasn’t that like my first game?

PPE: I think Jade Court was your second because I replaced in and totally won the game for town mostly by going along with what the player I replaced was doing and ToonyMan was more or less abandoned by his teammates, and only let it get away around the time I replaced in.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 05:45:50 pm
EBWOP

The first part of that post is in response to this:

My pro strat is playing badly to get town cred  8)

But seriously, from my POV, flipping and resing stronger players is more useful for getting good confirmed town in the mid-late game.

I could be playing more psychological rather than mechanical, but honestly, I like to keep things exciting for myself and making claims and seeing the ripples is more fun than reading tone or whatever.

Jim is also (in spirit he says) voting for a player of an opposing “alignment”, so what makes ToonyMan’s vote more egregious than Jim’s?
Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.

As for Knightwing, I went and read back on his play in Jade Court where he was scum, and he was activelurking and disengaged from reading the game there, if that gives any hints to his scum style. Let's get some more interactions before we hit the big red button.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 06:09:32 pm
Haven't finished the thread, but it seems to me you should want to find scum in the other group first, since you have fewer candidates in your own group.
Finding scum is still finding scum either way, but it makes sense to me to focus on trying to narrow down 4 before 3, at least if you're a "get the hard part out of the way" kind of person.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 06:11:39 pm
I'm okay with voting Knightwing today. I guess if anything that's better than voting NQT since KW is not my alignment.
Do you have a hidden objective or something? Killing in our own pool is preferable if you know your alignment.
Not yet. I assume Roden will be giving Law and Chaos players actual incentives come Night phase.

Toonyman: yeah, I'd also like to know why you keep producing stuff like this:
Webadict is serious you know, he wouldn't be prioritizing another Chaos member without confidence.
As if we're incentivised not to want elims in our own pool? I'm mostly going to ignore chaos/order stuff until someone flips scum, but I don't get why I'd want to avoid my own pool.
I don't mind avoiding my own pool...in fact I'm currently voting NQT. I am giving Knightwing breathing room by doing this, but whatever? I don't care if he dies, but maybe someone else does?

Strong townlean on NQT - scum would probably hide a res and keep it in reserve, use it to either get townpoints or save their partner, depending how things went (especially if they could get KW or Tric out and use KW/Tric's playstyle as an excuse to not revive them). Even a town-specific res they'd want the option of never using.
I do also think a scum player would hear how NQT's last post just sounded and delete it before posting:
"let's eliminate our stronger players! Even the one we may not want to flip! I'm not reading that closely!"
Very bravura play if scum  :P
Interesting take.

Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.
Am I?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 06:16:54 pm
Haven't finished the thread, but it seems to me you should want to find scum in the other group first, since you have fewer candidates in your own group.
Finding scum is still finding scum either way, but it makes sense to me to focus on trying to narrow down 4 before 3, at least if you're a "get the hard part out of the way" kind of person.
Assuming you're town:

My take:
If Knightwing is mafia (which I suspect), then Web/NJW/Hector should be cleared.
If Knightwing is town, then I would order it Hector>Web>NJW with Hector being the most town and NJW the least.

If NQT is mafia (which I suspect), then Tric and Jim should be cleared.
If NQT is town, then I would vote Jim over Tric.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 06:24:55 pm
^This guy gets it. I agree with all of these.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 06:29:28 pm
mostly by going along with what the player I replaced was doing
Heh.

This one actually reminds me of Jade Court more than a little. Maybe that's something to reflect on more thoroughly.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 06:38:07 pm
mostly by going along with what the player I replaced was doing
Heh.

This one actually reminds me of Jade Court more than a little. Maybe that's something to reflect on more thoroughly.

I wonder what you could possibly be trying to tell me :p we’ll never know.

I s’pose I can ask you why you’re not revealing your alignment in the thread when you said it was an auto ability hiding it mechanically. Will something terrible befall you or us if you do reveal it?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 06:44:48 pm
I wonder what you could possibly be trying to tell me :p we’ll never know.
Oh, I didn't mean for you specifically to reflect on. You can, though, I won't stop you. You may reach the same place I did.
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I s’pose I can ask you why you’re not revealing your alignment in the thread when you said it was an auto ability hiding it mechanically. Will something terrible befall you or us if you do reveal it?
Well, I see it as an advantage over not just the mafia but everyone. For example, there are powers that only affect players of known alignment: TricMagic didn't say it outright, but I believe the power that he claimed kills Chaos demons specifically. Presumably there is at least one Chaos player with the opposite power. As it stands, at a minimum it is a little harder for someone to kill me, and who knows what other powers might interact with the alignments? My role itself doesn't say that anything terrible would befall anyone if I reveal it, but I have to assume it was worth concealing, at least until someone convinces me otherwise.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 25, 2022, 06:59:22 pm
My pro strat is playing badly to get town cred  8)

But seriously, from my POV, flipping and resing stronger players is more useful for getting good confirmed town in the mid-late game.

I could be playing more psychological rather than mechanical, but honestly, I like to keep things exciting for myself and making claims and seeing the ripples is more fun than reading tone or whatever.

Jim is also (in spirit he says) voting for a player of an opposing “alignment”, so what makes ToonyMan’s vote more egregious than Jim’s?
Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.

As for Knightwing, I went and read back on his play in Jade Court where he was scum, and he was activelurking and disengaged from reading the game there, if that gives any hints to his scum style. Let's get some more interactions before we hit the big red button.

Completely ignore the fact Mafia can just steal the demons of the ressed players, sure. Pull the other one NQT.

Granted, may have played in too many webadict games recently to see the revival is a good thing. What's stopping them from coming back third-party here?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 25, 2022, 07:06:21 pm
I wonder what you could possibly be trying to tell me :p we’ll never know.
Oh, I didn't mean for you specifically to reflect on. You can, though, I won't stop you. You may reach the same place I did.
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I s’pose I can ask you why you’re not revealing your alignment in the thread when you said it was an auto ability hiding it mechanically. Will something terrible befall you or us if you do reveal it?
Well, I see it as an advantage over not just the mafia but everyone. For example, there are powers that only affect players of known alignment: TricMagic didn't say it outright, but I believe the power that he claimed kills Chaos demons specifically. Presumably there is at least one Chaos player with the opposite power. As it stands, at a minimum it is a little harder for someone to kill me, and who knows what other powers might interact with the alignments? My role itself doesn't say that anything terrible would befall anyone if I reveal it, but I have to assume it was worth concealing, at least until someone convinces me otherwise.

I'll note this is not the case Max... If an enemy demon is weak to Light, I kill them. Loup-garou (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Loup-garou) is the first example I hit that's a Neutral alignment. What matters is the demons' weaknesses, not the player's alignment.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 25, 2022, 07:14:26 pm
Tric, don't be a doofus. Everyone can recruit dead player's demons. And nothing in the rules says anything about 3rd parties, does it? This isn't a bastard game.



I've finally had time to sit down and take a read back of the thread and everyone is right about  KnightWing.

KW, dude, people think you're suspicious because you post 100% reactively. Defense is losing play, it helps no one, not even yourself. If you're town, place a vote on who you think is scum and give some reasons.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 07:15:31 pm
I'll note this is not the case Max... If an enemy demon is weak to Light, I kill them. Loup-garou (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Loup-garou) is the first example I hit that's a Neutral alignment. What matters is the demons' weaknesses, not the player's alignment.
I can categorically confirm that demon alignment in SMT has no bearing on player alignment in this game, at all.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 07:24:36 pm
ToonyMan and wubba sittin’ in a tree would either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 07:41:33 pm
ToonyMan and wubba sittin’ in a tree would either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
I don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.

Maybe NQT is town then, and NJW is right.

How you feeling Jim?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 07:58:06 pm
ToonyMan and wubba sittin’ in a tree would either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
I don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.
I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 08:19:16 pm
Okay.


NotQuiteThere


You voted me. And, I don’t trust you as much as web. Your pretty much a unknown to me. So there, boom. Vote.

Also, emotional blackmail? Oof, I wasn’t trying to emotionally blackmail anybody, I was just venting about what I perceived to be a unfair situation to me. I posted only a little bit cause I’m on a camping trip, doing camping things like getting bit by insects and eating s’mores.

So, I posted a few things, I come back and I’m getting voted by legit all of the smartest people with barely any chance of proving my townness, so of course I’m a little down. There is no out for me in this scenario.

I’m at a loss for what to do at this point, I at least wanted to use a ability for cool fluff, but I guess that won’t happen. Shame, MH sounded like it would be cool lmao

Derp.

Excuse me while I listen to emo music and hope that someone believes me.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 08:22:34 pm
NotQuiteThere
Not an option.

You should be going after NJW2000, hector13, or me.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 08:24:53 pm
Um, why?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 08:26:14 pm
Um, why?
Because one of those 3 is the most likely to be scum to you.

Also, I'm not voting NQT before you right now, so that's going to be a waste of time.

Take solace in the fact that you will likely be revived and prove NQT's innocence if you are Town!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 25, 2022, 08:31:16 pm
Well, i think your town, and I got shot down when I voted for hector, soooo, by process of elimination…


NJW2000
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 25, 2022, 08:41:05 pm
Tric, don't be a doofus. Everyone can recruit dead player's demons. And nothing in the rules says anything about 3rd parties, does it? This isn't a bastard game.



I've finally had time to sit down and take a read back of the thread and everyone is right about  KnightWing.

KW, dude, people think you're suspicious because you post 100% reactively. Defense is losing play, it helps no one, not even yourself. If you're town, place a vote on who you think is scum and give some reasons.

I'm not. Mafia use Negotiation, and if they know the name of the demons, it's always successful in stealing them. Even if the player they target survives.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 09:24:47 pm
ToonyMan and wubba sittin’ in a tree would either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
I don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.
I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.
Really? They'd settle for three confirmed town and a dead partner?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 09:29:42 pm
ToonyMan and wubba sittin’ in a tree would either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
I don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.
I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.
Really? They'd settle for three confirmed town and a dead partner?
As opposed to seven confirmed Town? Yeah, probably.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 09:40:44 pm
Excuse me while I listen to emo music and hope that someone believes me.
Okay, how about this.

Of the people that suspect you, do you think any carry malicious intent? Who should we be wary of?

ToonyMan and wubba sittin’ in a tree would either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
I don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.
I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.
Really? They'd settle for three confirmed town and a dead partner?
As opposed to seven confirmed Town? Yeah, probably.
Web.

Web.

If Knightwing dies today and flips mafia then I don't see how mafia can win from my understanding of this game unless they have some special thing and play perfectly. And they would have to play perfectly with me, you, Max, NJW, and Hector around for at least most of it.

Anyway...I want to see who Jim votes...
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 09:51:08 pm
Web.

Web.

If Knightwing dies today and flips mafia then I don't see how mafia can win from my understanding of this game unless they have some special thing and play perfectly. And they would have to play perfectly with me, you, Max, NJW, and Hector around for at least most of it.

Anyway...I want to see who Jim votes...
I mean, yes, they have to play perfectly, for sure, and by perfectly, I mean, they've gotta be fucking masterminding this shit, but I see no possible way if Knightwing is Mafia for him to be defended properly. Honestly, the first person to express doubts is gonna be super suspicious, especially if they're within the Law domain.

So, if you'd like to be the first to defend Knightwing, please, be my guest. I know I'm potentially over-trusting my intuition, but I'd like to think that I'm still giving Knightwing plenty of chances.

...Did you know that Maximum Spin has a really good theory about your play style?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 25, 2022, 09:57:23 pm
So, if you'd like to be the first to defend Knightwing, please, be my guest. I know I'm potentially over-trusting my intuition, but I'd like to think that I'm still giving Knightwing plenty of chances.
Knightwing will have to defend himself.

I am also giving Knightwing chances, even if it makes me look like I'm partners with him again for the umpteenth time. I don't care. I wonder what that says about me.

...Did you know that Maximum Spin has a really good theory about your play style?
Neat.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 25, 2022, 09:58:58 pm
You’ve given Knightwing plenty of chances yes. I think we’re all trying to guide KW to at least the path they have to take.

There’s still around two RL days for them to pull this out the bag.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 25, 2022, 10:01:38 pm
Max, I'm on board with repeating the same bargain.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 25, 2022, 10:15:48 pm
...Did you know that Maximum Spin has a really good theory about your play style?
You picked up on what I think you picked up on? Impressive.


Max, I'm on board with repeating the same bargain.
I'm a little at a loss about which bargain you mean, though. We've had a few. :P
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 25, 2022, 11:30:48 pm
PPE: Reads by Knightwing64

I'll look at this again later when I've had a bit more time to think about the game.

I am completely underwhelmed by what Knightwing64 has done since I posted this. I still don't detect much investment in the outcome of the day game which is my main complaint about Knightwing64 so far.

It'd be nice to see unprompted reads and observations from him at some point but if he's town I think he's too locked in to satisfying the text of what people say they want from him to do anything that might actually demonstrate his towniness.

Like, I can’t accuse anybody of being guilty like you can with nothing to base it off of, my brain doesn’t work like that. Maybe I’ll claim to have a blah blah meter next game and see if that gets people to vote you out

I want to see this happen honestly.

Excuse me while I listen to emo music and hope that someone believes me.

I TRIED SO HARD

AND GOT SO FAR

BUT IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MAAAAAAAAAAATTEEEEEEEEEEEER

It's okay but suboptimal if we launch Knightwing today. I'd rather res someone more effective at hunting (no offence KW), so killing Toony or Jim, or even Max, is more high value for me today.

Can you self-rez?

My pro strat is playing badly to get town cred  8)

Ha ha

:|

And just so I'm explicit about it I don't like this on the nose joke you're making.

more role focus

The role focus is consistent with your usual meta.

I've read the thread. Who do you suspect? I think I completely missed that.

NQT, there is a fundamental flaw in your plan. We may be able to revive a player, but that also means Mafia has a 100% chance to steal one of their demons. Or did you miss that in your brilliant Role?

Oh, right. A vote based on silly role stuff.

Okay, yeah, this is town TricMagic.

ToonyMan and wubba sittin’ in a tree would either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
I don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.

Maybe NQT is town then, and NJW is right.

How you feeling Jim?

I probably go for the bus if I didn't think my partner's situation was salvageable even if the penalty for it is very steep in this game.

I am also giving Knightwing chances, even if it makes me look like I'm partners with him again for the umpteenth time. I don't care. I wonder what that says about me.

There are a lot of people posting like this. About giving Knightwing64 chances that is. Except for Maximum Spin. He seems committed to his read.

So if Knightwing64 is receptive to the coaching and magically turn things around, how is that going to affect your read on him?

Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.

I think you have a tendency to tunnel me.

The point of this is that I'm still left at that single question: How exactly is this NOT you as scum? Shall I begin scouring the other games for better examples?

I don't like this post very much.

I don't think arguing with people about their own meta produces anything valuable.

My reasons for voting KW:

Low effort posting
Not engaging with the game (not offering reads on events or players despite significant prompting)
Emotional blackmail
Giving up

Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmm I think the first two are valid. The last two are pretty iffy. When players on the younger and inexperienced side break they tend to display the last two without it being indicative of alignment, although this isn't Knightwing64's first rodeo so he should have some resilience to pressure like this.



So anyways I thought most of this post would be about Knightwing64 and it largely was, but midway through making it I made a read about TricMagic and I feel like I have pretty confident reads about the Law block now with ToonyMan and TricMagic reading solidly as town and notquitethere being scum by process of elimination and my middling reads on him. I do suspect Knightwing64 but I realized I'm more confident about my reads on the Law block and so should be voting within there.

Anyways I am going to go squat now and work through the shitty anime I haven't watched yet and wish I had beer.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 26, 2022, 03:08:12 am
Quote from: Jim Groovester
Elim the guy with a claimed res by POE

Ok guys, it's Jim and probably knightwing.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 26, 2022, 03:51:52 am
More seriously... wtf. Jim didn't even mention the possibility Max is law, which is unavoidably relevant to the POE thing.

The big post is largely minor fluff, and I was going to complain about that, but then that vote really came out of nowhere.



Care to explain?
Not really, no.
Ok. This is something I'd be willing to vote you on then, for largely meta reasons.



I'm okay with voting Knightwing today. I guess if anything that's better than voting NQT since KW is not my alignment.
Do you have a hidden objective or something? Killing in our own pool is preferable if you know your alignment.
Not yet. I assume Roden will be giving Law and Chaos players actual incentives come Night phase.

As if we're incentivised not to want elims in our own pool? I'm mostly going to ignore chaos/order stuff until someone flips scum, but I don't get why I'd want to avoid my own pool.
I don't mind avoiding my own pool...in fact I'm currently voting NQT. I am giving Knightwing breathing room by doing this, but whatever? I don't care if he dies, but maybe someone else does?
So just to get this straight, you think we're going to be given incentives at the start of the night to mess with the other pool, and that we'd want to keep players in our own pool alive to succeed in them?

And that town players from both pools should want elims in the other pool, because they'd prefer achieving their night-incentives over the town players in the other pool achieving their own? Or at least, you want that?

This is confusing, but seems to be what you're saying.


NotQuiteThere
Not an option.

You should be going after NJW2000, hector13, or me.
This does not look like a genuine attempt to make Knightwing more constructive. If he flips town, you're not going to look good.

For one thing, the "vote in your own pool" thing isn't obvious, or even more than a marginal consideration. It's basically irrelevant if you have any confidence in an actual read - which is the thing we've been asking Knightwing to have.

For another, you're slapping down a baby step towards actually playing the game.

Take solace in the fact that you will likely be revived and prove NQT's innocence if you are Town!
I'd also like to note that this is wrong on several levels. Res-ing town!nightwing wouldn't clear NQT, and town!NQT might not do it.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 04:07:39 am
I'd just like to announce that I have no intention of engaging with any alignment-related bullshit, and I would consider any evidence of doing so over finding scum a lynchable offense.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Roden on July 26, 2022, 04:36:47 am
Quote
Vote Count
------------------------
Knightwing64: 3; hector13, webadict, notquitethere
notquitethere: 3; TricMagic, ToonyMan, Jim Groovester
NJW2000: 1; Knightwing64
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
webadict: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 1 - Maximum Spin

5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~34 hours remaining).


It is currently Day.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 26, 2022, 05:11:12 am
Ugh, Law hates me. It's my Chaotic heart!

Max
I'd just like to announce that I have no intention of engaging with any alignment-related bullshit, and I would consider any evidence of doing so over finding scum a lynchable offense.
I'm struggling to see a town justification for not declaring which alignment you are when it would help us clear town if you are town? Scum!Max is going to want to wait until after one scum flips before claiming that he's the same alignment. Help me see what you're seeing here.

Jim, your argument seems to be that KW is scum and so by some alchemy I must be too. If you think he's scum, then why are you voting me? Also your POE ignores Max, as NJW has said...

Toony, is Jim town?

Tric, If a player dies, they lose their demons so when they res, they will demonless. As such, this confers no benefit to scum. In fact, it makes the ressed town player immune to the mafiakill! Your argument is completely backwards, because if you kill me first, you give scum the chance to get their own resurrection demon.



I think people don't realise how young KW is, which helps put his posting style into perspective. I'm glad he's being more proactive after promping.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 05:22:14 am
More seriously...

(gets progressively less serious)
Listen, buddy. I no longer think you're scum, but you're chasing pipe dreams if you think it's me.

The reason I don't care about answering your questions is because I don't want to explode at you. I don't mind you being wrong, but is there a way that I could get you to trust that Knightwing is indeed Mafia so that you will blindly accept that I'm Town? Because that would be great for me. You're gonna doubt yourself no matter what, but I don't think I will anymore.

So, please vote Knightwing. It's the thing that will prove you're Town more than anything, and a lot of people see you as backup scum to Knightwing, but there's a good reason they do: I think you have a fundamentally different idea of the game than most of us, and it will probably cause conflicts if you don't clear yourself.

Does that work for you?

Anyways I am going to go vote NQT blindly.
AS FOR JIM...

Liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssteeeeeeeeeeeeeen buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudddddyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy...

I'm gonna need you to get AAAAALLLLLL the way off NQT's back, if'n you wouldn't mind.

You're right. I tunnel you because I have a tough time reading you. The good thing here is that I don't need to read you because others have a much better read of you than I do. That's great for both of us.

How about... we vote out Knightwing... and prove I'm Town... and then we can just... oh, I dunno... Let NQT revive my dead body because it's not NQT?

NQT is a convenient fallguy, but would you mind testing something for me? You don't have to vote! Just unvote because I would like to sit on Knightwing as the top candidate.

You wanna know what the best evidence that NQT is Town is? TricMagic is voting for him. You're voting like TricMagic! No offense, TricMagic.

Oh look, my next segue!

Tric, please 🙏 just listen 🙏  to my words 🙏 for the love 🙏 of all things 🙏 Mafia.

Who is Mafia on the Chaos side?

NINJA
NQT, FUCK OFF AND KEEP VOTING KNIGHTWING PLEASE AND THANK YOU, IT AINT MAX BY A MILLION MILES
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 05:30:46 am
I'm struggling to see a town justification for not declaring which alignment you are when it would help us clear town if you are town? Scum!Max is going to want to wait until after one scum flips before claiming that he's the same alignment. Help me see what you're seeing here.
I'm talking about whatever "incentives" town players of various alignments may or may not get to sabotage each other, not what you and your partner Knightwing do as mafia.

I am declaring my intention to clamp down on any town sabotage.

Also, knowing my alignment won't help you clear town unless I'm scum and therefore rule out other people of my alignment. Since I'm town, just go on assuming I'm town and find the mafia among the other players.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 05:37:32 am
Ugh, Law hates me. It's my Chaotic heart!

Max
I'd just like to announce that I have no intention of engaging with any alignment-related bullshit, and I would consider any evidence of doing so over finding scum a lynchable offense.
I'm struggling to see a town justification for not declaring which alignment you are when it would help us clear town if you are town? Scum!Max is going to want to wait until after one scum flips before claiming that he's the same alignment. Help me see what you're seeing here.

Jim, your argument seems to be that KW is scum and so by some alchemy I must be too. If you think he's scum, then why are you voting me? Also your POE ignores Max, as NJW has said...

Toony, is Jim town?

Tric, If a player dies, they lose their demons so when they res, they will demonless. As such, this confers no benefit to scum. In fact, it makes the ressed town player immune to the mafiakill! Your argument is completely backwards, because if you kill me first, you give scum the chance to get their own resurrection demon.



I think people don't realise how young KW is, which helps put his posting style into perspective. I'm glad he's being more proactive after promping.
Goddamn, am I sure you're not Mafia?

I am, but geez Louise, man, you're making this difficult on yourself. And me!

If you go after Max instead of Knightwing, you will 100% be voted out. That's not a threat by me, that's the state of the game. Law has converged on you. It's fucking stupid, but I'm gonna do my best to prove you're innocent.

To do that, I need you Town guys to, boy howdy, listen to this here cowpoke.

I wanna put Knightwing at the top of the chopping block. Someone will have to save him. We will wait to see who in the Law side. That is all.

Trust me. I know what I'm doing. I've done it before.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 26, 2022, 05:38:40 am
@Webadict: I don’t really care about your dismissals or threats, but if it’ll help you sleep any easier, I’ll absolutely vote Knightwing over NQT here, he’s not helping that much and NQT is potentially very useful, as well as townier. Not putting us at E-1 yet though, thanks
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 05:40:50 am
Knightwing64.

That's the bargain you want, right?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 05:44:24 am
Knightwing64.

That's the bargain you want, right?
Yes, that'll do nicely, thanks.

As thanks, my role involves killing and blocking Demons. I figure that's the best substitute for my end of the deal as I can get, but I'm down for your interpretation of this game.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: NJW2000 on July 26, 2022, 05:57:48 am
Pfp


ONE FROM HAMMER

I know Vectors not here, but I don’t want anyone to have an excuse.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 05:58:37 am
Do you remember how, in Jade Court, there weren't actually any sects, so it became something for everyone to panic over the hypothetical existence, and even for you to claim to justify refusing to be elected?

I'm not sure Law and Chaos even actually matter except insofar as it theoretically divides the scumteam.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: notquitethere on July 26, 2022, 06:14:49 am
It's not 1 from hammer.

Knightwing64.

Now it is.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 06:16:47 am
I find statements like the following interesting:

My reasons for voting KW:

Low effort posting
Not engaging with the game (not offering reads on events or players despite significant prompting)
Emotional blackmail
Giving up

Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmm I think the first two are valid. The last two are pretty iffy. When players on the younger and inexperienced side break they tend to display the last two without it being indicative of alignment, although this isn't Knightwing64's first rodeo so he should have some resilience to pressure like this.
I think people don't realise how young KW is, which helps put his posting style into perspective. I'm glad he's being more proactive after promping.

Sure, Knightwing is young, etc., but he's also genuinely better than this. Go read Beginner BYOR 2 just now (please do, I was great in it); look at how different he is as town. He even gets into a shitfight with another town player who really is quite nasty to him, and reacts to it totally differently. What theory could possibly justify this "well, maybe he's just bad" take? Are you supposing that he just got hit in the head really hard right before this game started?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 06:23:20 am
Care to explain?
Not really, no.

^
|

I’m trying my hardest to prove my innocence, and I’m being shit down by web who is repeatedly unhelpful and is acting the the most scummy out of all of us, I know that seems normal for Web, but I have to point it out.

I’m sorry it seems like I’ve been low effort this game, I have legit been posting every chance I get at this stupidddd trailer

Honestly, I think it’s Web and NQT.

Look, Web: Chaos
         NQT: Law

Both of them have never voted the other, and the worst argument they had this whole game is web tell them they have a shitty plan, which I guess was staged in order to make people think that they weren’t working together.

0_0


Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 06:23:53 am
Andddddd

Great.

:(

You love to see it
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 06:26:13 am
It's not 1 from hammer.

Knightwing64.

Now it is.


🖕
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 06:30:00 am
Unless NQT has a double-vote and just stealth hammered, you're still here.

In the meantime, look on the bright side, if you flip town, NQT is probably going to get voted out immediately. The Law side is already fully tunnelled.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 06:31:08 am
Honestly, I think it’s Web and NQT.

Look, Web: Chaos
         NQT: Law

Both of them have never voted the other, and the worst argument they had this whole game is web tell them they have a shitty plan, which I guess was staged in order to make people think that they weren’t working together.
What do you think about the fact you and Jim haven't voted each other?

If you're town should we put faith in Jim?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 06:31:47 am
Wait what, I could’ve sworn that was hammer
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 06:34:09 am
Honestly, I think it’s Web and NQT.

Look, Web: Chaos
         NQT: Law

Both of them have never voted the other, and the worst argument they had this whole game is web tell them they have a shitty plan, which I guess was staged in order to make people think that they weren’t working together.

What do you think about the fact you and Jim haven't voted each other?

If you're town should we put faith in Jim?

That’s a easy answer.

I haven’t voted for Jim because I was too busy fighting for my life to give him any real attention to him.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 06:34:39 am
Knightwing, just a little advice: I promise I'm not picking on you specifically. In fact, the best way to shake me off is to ignore me! I don't exist. Personally, if you're somehow Town, I'm fucked Tomorrow! That's why it's a good idea to take a deep breath and just think everything over.

If you wanna convince me to unvote you, make a case for each Law player being scum or Town. Nothing big, just some general feelings, like I'm used to.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 06:38:27 am
Honestly, I know you're a good player, Knightwing. I think if you're Town, NQT revives you 100% of the time. You're golden, ponyboy, so just take a deep breath, in... and out....

If you help me find the Law scum player, you will live :)
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 06:40:55 am
Okay.

Well, I think Toony is town, he is acting like town Toony, I think although not joking as much. Tric is null for me, he’s acting town and scummy which kinda confuses me, Although that could be a tactic To fake me out and they are actually scum which is somewhat likely.

I… Tric?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 06:41:35 am
It's true Knightwing. You shouldn't listen to Web and vote who you want.

Can you give a read of Jim? Or yeah each Law player for that matter. Even if you think we're all mafia or town just say how you feel!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 07:00:25 am
Well, Jim could be scum, he hasn’t posted much but what he has posted hasn’t given me a positive impression and I you already know what I think about NQT
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 07:02:17 am
So, if you had to order them, what would it be?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 07:26:43 am
1: NQT
2: Jim
3: Tric
4: Toony
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 07:53:54 am
1: NQT
2: Jim
3: Tric
4: Toony
You think Tric is scummier than Toony and less scummy than Jim? That's odd, I usually think of you and Euchre as reading Tric and Jim pretty well.

If you think notquitethere is scum, do you think he actually has a revive? Would he use it on you if you flipped Town?

What about Max? Does he fit in there?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 09:27:48 am
They probably have a revive, also I dunno what u mean  by flipped
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 09:43:09 am
They probably have a revive, also I dunno what u mean  by flipped
Ah, flip means what your alignment shows when you are executed. Think like a card being flipped over to reveal what it actually is, since it's a secret.

So, if your alignment is publicly shown as Town, do you think NQT will revive you, even if he's scum?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 09:46:49 am
I….

Dunno
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 09:47:41 am
I….

Dunno
Are you willing to test it out?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 10:03:51 am
Ideally not, because I would much rather live then die and have a uncertain chance of revival
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 10:13:24 am
Do you believe you have more value being alive or dead in this game?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 10:17:08 am
Let's say you're town Knightwing.

Do YOU Knightwing, believe you can help town in this game more than the knowledge we would learn if I hammer you right now and reveal your true allegiance?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 10:26:13 am
Ideally not, because I would much rather live then die and have a uncertain chance of revival
That's a great answer, btw. It's probably at this point that you could've pointed out I'm walking you to the execution grounds, slowly and steadily, removing a lot of leeway for you. It'd go over a lot better than earlier, since now I can't say that that's not the case.

I actually do have a way that means that NQT cannot be Roleblocked during the Night. It's, well... Not going to be great for his Demons, but that's not really a problem, is it? Plus, I'll prooooobably be Negotiated, but you know, whatevs, them's the perks of being a wallflower.

So, I'll let you pick one of the following plans:

1) You die and revive.
2) ToonyMan dies and revives.
3) I die and revive.

Personally, #2 seems like a great idea, being your top Town pick, plus in the really off-the-wall chance that ToonyMan is scum, well, we're pretty much covered in that case.

Alternatively, if you think I'm scum, #3 can't be too bad, now can it? However, the downside is that I can't ensure NQT's safety, but technically, I never really could without knowing what everyone else has, so it's not any more dangerous than anything else.

If you're really feeling spicy, though, you're always free to pick yourself!

Or maybe you can rank everyone in order of who you'd like to see die and revive? I'm not picky, really.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 10:28:01 am
You see, as town sometimes it's okay to die! If you're mafia I might even die before Jim!

But that's okay, because I believe in cooperation. Camaraderie.

This is why I don't believe I'm wrong that you're mafia, because I trust myself and I trust others. I'm even trying to get your feelings Knightwing, because there's a world where you're town!

I don't know who to trust if you're town. We might be in a bad shape. Therefore!

Knightwing, how can I trust you? Why do I trust Max and Web but not you?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 26, 2022, 10:41:59 am
Oh look, my next segue!

Tric, please 🙏 just listen 🙏  to my words 🙏 for the love 🙏 of all things 🙏 Mafia.

Who is Mafia on the Chaos side?

NINJA
NQT, FUCK OFF AND KEEP VOTING KNIGHTWING PLEASE AND THANK YOU, IT AINT MAX BY A MILLION MILES

Sorry, as Max said, not voting based on Law/Chaos sides, just pressuring like I see it.

Right now my suspicions are Knightwing, NQT, and NJW.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 26, 2022, 10:44:07 am
Oh look, my next segue!

Tric, please 🙏 just listen 🙏  to my words 🙏 for the love 🙏 of all things 🙏 Mafia.

Who is Mafia on the Chaos side?

NINJA
NQT, FUCK OFF AND KEEP VOTING KNIGHTWING PLEASE AND THANK YOU, IT AINT MAX BY A MILLION MILES

Sorry, as Max said, not voting based on Law/Chaos sides, just pressuring like I see it.

Right now my suspicions are Knightwing, NQT, and NJW.

Why do you think NJW is more likely to be mafia than KW?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 26, 2022, 10:46:05 am
I mean, I could hammer Knightwing? But I'd like to keep discussion going. (Made this post before I read the others, so good plan there.)
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 10:48:28 am
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(

Tric believe meeee
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 11:16:06 am
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(

Tric believe meeee
How about roleclaiming? If you value your life more than dying then that could save you. Demons are also revealed on flip anyway right?

Or maybe link something from the previous game you were town in? I didn't really read it.

Don't worry about hammers I don't think anyone here left will do it. You have time when you're more available.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 26, 2022, 11:21:11 am
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(

Tric believe meeee
You're going to need evidence. Or you can attempt to lynch me.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 26, 2022, 12:11:48 pm
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Jim don't vote NQT

Alright, you got it, webadict. Unvote.

I'd be voting Knightwing64 if it wasn't for hammer.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 12:26:56 pm
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(

Tric believe meeee
You're going to need evidence. Or you can attempt to lynch me.

I did give evidence tho?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 12:55:33 pm
I mean, I could hammer Knightwing? But I'd like to keep discussion going. (Made this post before I read the others, so good plan there.)
I think the implication here is that NJW is in the Chaos side with Knightwing, so it's odd you would vote NJW instead of NQT in that situation, especially if you're willing to hammer.

Not that NQT is scummy, because he's not, but, ya know, whatevers.

Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(

Tric believe meeee
I mean, listen, even if anyone believes you, begging for people to believe you're Town to not vote you while a member of the Town is holding a revive that they'll very likely use on you is, well, less than believable? That's a big problem we have.

Honestly, what this is all about is trying to bait the hook for your teammate, so you are free to hammer yourself. Ending discussion before people find out too much information is a viable scumplay, though it is probably too late here. It might be better to obfuscate and confuse at this point.

Personally, I think ToonyMan is your teammate, based on your and his reactions so far, but if I had to make a secondary prediction, I gueeeeeess it could be TricMagic, then Jim. Weird, I usually think Jim is the more suspicious one, but, like, I dunno, maybe I'm blind or something. I mean, NQT pulling the revive card is a dangerous move as scum, so... I'm on board with him being Town.

Anyway, if I am somehow right and I die Tonight as a result, well, hopefully someone remembers me in spirit and follows through on my ToonyMan suspicion.

If anyone wants to Hammer, I'm not against it at this point. I think Knightwing is done answering my questions.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 01:09:20 pm
Works for me. If Knightwing is mafia you can vote me out first tomorrow. I'll argue that it's someone else of course, but I don't really think it'll be a problem.

I'll hammer Knightwing tonight (let's say 8pm Eastern or in 6 hours) unless there's a lot of activity or something.

This should give KW plenty of time to do whatever or claim. If he argues to extend the time that's not a valid reason at this point.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 01:18:10 pm
I do think NQT looks pretty good if Knightwing is mafia, so the pick should be between me/Jim/Tric.

NJW and Web have pretty good reasons (the immediate res claim) for trusting NQT. So there's merit there as well.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 01:52:09 pm
Wow, way to give me false hope
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 01:56:00 pm
Wow, way to give me false hope
Gotta wield two swords. One in case you spewed Town, and one in case you didn't. This is just the latter.

Would it make you feel better that I'll be voted out in the case that you're Town?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 02:07:53 pm
Not really.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 26, 2022, 02:09:29 pm
So should I go for the Yolo hammer Knightwing?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 02:11:00 pm
Wow, way to give me false hope
You want hope? Why do you say you're busy camping or whatever but are able to post quips while ignoring most of the important questions me and Web would like to hear answers for?

I get, people busy. But I don't think you're showing real agency here.

So should I go for the Yolo hammer Knightwing?
It would be funny.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 02:14:46 pm
For example, Knightwing, why are you begging for your life but not willing to roleclaim? I assumed maybe at first you have been so distracted, so flustered by these accusations and being at L-1 that you did not think of it, but I have annouced the capability earlier in thread now! Is it perhaps because you are unwilling to claim?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 26, 2022, 02:16:09 pm
Yeah your time would be better spent working to clear yourself than snarking.

Snarking is fine if you’re mafia though, since it means a lot less work in future days.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Knightwing64 on July 26, 2022, 02:18:22 pm
Oh. I have Mother Harlot. I’m basically a vigilante, I have a kill and a defense ability
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 26, 2022, 02:19:33 pm
Sigh.. Kinda wish I was mafia right now since everything people accuse Knightwing of I'm also culpable for. Mostly.  :P

Knightwing And good night with that bomb.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 02:23:00 pm
Sigh.. Kinda wish I was mafia right now since everything people accuse Knightwing of I'm also culpable for. Mostly.  :P

Knightwing And good night with that bomb.
You are, but it's your town meta. :P

So, twilight now. I don't feel good about this one, but we'll see how it turns out. Knightwing, care to give the answer away since we'll all see it soon anyway?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 26, 2022, 02:24:23 pm
Oh. I have Mother Harlot. I’m basically a vigilante, I have a kill and a defense ability

Entering Twilight, you kinda set yourself up for that one given players have two demons. Revealing the name of one is grounds for Negotiations. And don't want Mafia to get the Kill ability, so.

Eh, that and funny hammer.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 02:26:08 pm
Entering Twilight, you kinda set yourself up for that one given players have two demons. Revealing the name of one is grounds for Negotiations. And don't want Mafia to get the Kill ability, so.
Yes, I thought that too. He made himself a mandatory kill since otherwise, if he is town, mafia would definitely get his demon. You (I mean, Knightwing) were supposed to roleclaim what it DOES, not what it's called!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 26, 2022, 02:27:16 pm
The day has ended so we shouldn’t be discussing things, maaaaan.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 02:28:40 pm
The day has ended so we shouldn’t be discussing things, maaaaan.
Someone needs to re-read the OP methinks.
-Hammers are in effect. Once a majority vote is reached, the Day phase ends and the game will enter Twilight. You may continue to talk as long as the thread remains unlocked.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 02:34:00 pm
Oh we get to talk still?

I gotta say, the comedic timing on Knightwing finally claiming (a vig no less) and Tric being "lol hammer" is pretty comedy.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 02:36:54 pm
I don't feel good about this one, but we'll see how it turns out.
Why? You're the Knightwing-o-meter. I will feel pretty dumb if he's town though since I don't think Knightwing has played very well.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 26, 2022, 02:37:54 pm
If you wish, you may vote for No Elimination. A hammer will occur if at least 50% of the remaining living players vote for it. The Day will then end and continue onto the Night phase.

That really shouldn’t be just a separate rule for no lynching.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: ToonyMan on July 26, 2022, 02:41:18 pm
Oh. I have Mother Harlot. I’m basically a vigilante, I have a kill and a defense ability
This probably doesn't matter, but any other demons? I started with two of mine. You should have a second?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 02:43:33 pm
I don't feel good about this one, but we'll see how it turns out.
Why? You're the Knightwing-o-meter. I will feel pretty dumb if he's town though since I don't think Knightwing has played very well.
The second half of this exactly. In every way he is matching his scumself, but his last few posts of the day don't read like outed scum to me. It wasn't enough to change my vote, but it's enough to make me feel like maybe he just did a bad job this time around.

I think it was the only possible decision either way, but I'll be annoyed if he's town and just played badly. You're supposed to level your meta in the direction of getting BETTER, not worse.

I feel like town should take this time to coordinate on recruitment, especially if Knightwing will cooperate and fullclaim now.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: hector13 on July 26, 2022, 02:45:58 pm
I will likely be recruiting demons just to weaken them if the mafia decide to recruit. Perhaps we should just have the remaining chaos players recruit the first demon, and the law players recruit the second?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: webadict on July 26, 2022, 02:51:56 pm
I don't feel good about this one, but we'll see how it turns out.
Why? You're the Knightwing-o-meter. I will feel pretty dumb if he's town though since I don't think Knightwing has played very well.
The second half of this exactly. In every way he is matching his scumself, but his last few posts of the day don't read like outed scum to me. It wasn't enough to change my vote, but it's enough to make me feel like maybe he just did a bad job this time around.

I think it was the only possible decision either way, but I'll be annoyed if he's town and just played badly. You're supposed to level your meta in the direction of getting BETTER, not worse.

I feel like town should take this time to coordinate on recruitment, especially if Knightwing will cooperate and fullclaim now.
I dunno. If Knightwing is scum, I gotta kill one of Toony's demons. If Knightwing is Town... Uh, I guess I gotta shoot NJW2000's demon instead?

Personally, ToonyMan stepped up HIS game as well because he's looking a lot less like Mafia at least, but dang, I hope I didn't get tunneled on KW.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: TricMagic on July 26, 2022, 02:53:44 pm
I will likely be recruiting demons just to weaken them if the mafia decide to recruit. Perhaps we should just have the remaining chaos players recruit the first demon, and the law players recruit the second?
No. Given that randomness is a strength to prevent the mafia from successfully negotiating.

As is NQT, one question to ask is is it worth it to revive Knightwing? You outed that ability way too early for my tastes.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 1 - NINE Aligned
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 26, 2022, 02:57:33 pm
As is NQT, one question to ask is is it worth it to revive Knightwing? You outed that ability way too early for my tastes.
If Knightwing is town, we just about have to revive him. One of the most important consequences is tying up a hypothetical scum NQT's action.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Night 1 -
Post by: Roden on July 26, 2022, 04:20:14 pm
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Vote Count
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Knightwing64: 5 (HAMMER!); hector13, webadict, notquitethere, Maximum Spin, TricMagic
notquitethere: 1; ToonyMan
NJW2000: 1; Knightwing64
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
webadict: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 1 - Jim Groovester

5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~34 hours remaining).


One after the other, it appeared that almost everyone was homing in on Knightwing64 and taking shots at him. What was once metaphorical jabs soon became literal ones, as everyone's attempts to prove how much they believed in their cause quickly made them resort to violence. Like a school of sharks smelling blood in the water, they all tore away at him once he showed signs of weakness and hesitation, until only his mangled corpse remained.

"Ah! Good, good!" One person above them on a platform exclaimed as he clapped his hands with enthusiasm. "It's always good to see that God's followers can be just as bloodthirsty as Lucifer's! But did you kill one of the traitors, or simply murder one of your own allies?"

webadict took it upon himself to search Knightwing64's body for evidence. He soon found the victim's Demom Summoning Program and ripped it off of him before presenting it to everyone else. Two demons were captured within it, and within a moment or so they were quickly released.

"It seems the boy has failed," the first demon, Mother Harlot, commented upon seeing her former master's corpse.

"I'm not sure how he ever managed to convince us to lend him our power," the second demon, Baal, replied with a shrug, "A world without Law or Chaos surely cannot have been worth his own life."

"...Excellent," a second person from above on the platform coldly congratulated the group, her demeanor formal yet detached from the events that had just played out, "You have all correctly deduced the identity of one of the Traitors. God will be most pleased."

Night was now approaching. With one person chosen for execution, everyone was allowed to turn in for the night before continuing again with their investigation tomorrow. The abandoned building they were all taking refuge in with spacious enough for everyone to have their own private room...yet, the design was almost labyrinth-like. It would be easy for any one of them to move around in the night undetected. Where exactly were they, anyway?



Knightwing64 has been eliminated. His alignment was Neutral (Mafia).

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Welcome, Knightwing64! You are a follower of the Neutral alignment, and thus a member of the Mafia. You will falsely represent yourself as the Chaos alignment. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Mother Harlot
Repel (2-Shot; Passive) - While Mother Harlot is in your party, all attacks that would hit you, including player kills, will instead reflect back onto the attacker.
Trisagion (1-Shot) - Can be used in place of the factional kill. A Fire element attack that kills the player and all of their demons. Cannot fail, be blocked, reflected, redirected, or protected against.

Baal
Tentarafoo (1-Shot) - Can be used in place of the factional kill. Inflicts Confusion on the target. The target will be Roleblocked and perform the factional night kill for you. However, they will target a random town member, and you will be unable to perform Negotiation and recruit the victim's demons.

Tonight, when submitting your potential action, you may also choose to attempt to recruit one of the revealed demons. If multiple players attempt to recruit the same demon and are successful, its power will be dimished and those players will receive a weakened copy. The demon will be added into your party at the start of the next Day phase, so long as you have room in your party (maximum of three demons).
NOTE: Law and Chaos (Town) players cannot use factional abilities or replacement factional abilities.
It is now Night 1. Day 2 will begin on July 27, 2022 at 14:00 Pacific Time (~24 hours remaining).
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Night 1 -
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 04:51:07 pm
Before long, morning had arrived. Once the Day had begun, the remaining survivors gathered around in the main hall of the labyrinth. Once everyone had arrived however, only seven of them had seemed to show up.

"Oh, don't worry about waiting for NJW2000," the Chaos leader called out to the group from above, "He won't be...available, today."

"In other words, his corpse was found this morning," the Law leader announced shortly, "No evidence was found that indicated he was against our causes."


Leaving little time to mourn, everyone was immediately thrown into the Day's investigation. With how successful Day 1 had been, perhaps they could find the second traitor today as well.[/i]
NJW2000 has been killed. His alignment was Chaos (Town).

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Welcome, NJW2000! You are a follower of the Chaos alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Agathion
Sukukaja (2-Shot) - Raises the target's evasion that night. All abilities and actions that target the player will fail that night.

Alilat
Status Immunity (Passive) - While Alilat is in your party, you will be immune to status ailments.

Tetrakarn (1-Shot )- If your target or one of their demons would die that night due to being targeted by an attack, the attack will be reflected onto the attacker instead.

Metatron (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVla7rSJYJw) has made his presence known! Everyone now knows that Metatron is in notquitethere's party!

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Vote Count
------------------------
webadict: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 7 - webadict,  Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, TricMagic, notquitethere, Maximum Spin, hector13

4 to Hammer. Day ends on July 30, 2022 at 15:00 Pacific Time (~72 hours remaining).


It is currently Day 2.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: ToonyMan on July 27, 2022, 04:52:49 pm
(https://i.postimg.cc/bYLnB1WJ/wwe-vince-mc-mahon.gif)

Jim Groovester
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 05:02:29 pm
Jim Groovester visited NJW in the night.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: notquitethere on July 27, 2022, 05:04:20 pm
I Metatronned Jim last night and he must have had some kind of protection because nothing happened.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: notquitethere on July 27, 2022, 05:06:25 pm
 Unvote so we don't hammer before everyone posts.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 27, 2022, 05:15:35 pm
I tried blocking notquitethere.

Jim Groovester visited NJW in the night.

Clearly I did not reach my intended target.

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Metatron

So unless notquitethere can double act I guess he didn't do the kill so it's down to Tric, ToonyMan, and Max. No need to think too hard here since there's plenty of town resources left.

I say we start with ToonyMan but I'm guessing none of you are going to agree.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 05:18:54 pm
*shrugs* I’m willing to accept there were shenanigans afoot re:my result, and would like to hear from people prior to a hammer, but I would require a great deal of convincing to not eliminate Jim.

unvote
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: TricMagic on July 27, 2022, 05:22:48 pm
I Metatronned Jim last night and he must have had some kind of protection because nothing happened.

Sorry about that, that was me. I cast Dia on Jim.

That said, any debuffs from last night that need clearing?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 05:27:40 pm
Does that mean you think someone of the law alignment or Max is scummier than Jim?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 05:40:31 pm
Actually you could tell us what Dia does. If I remember correctly from the game (well… Persona but it
/ the same demons) Dia is a healing spell, and if it’s a beneficial thing… why would you not use it on one of the three confirmed townies?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: ToonyMan on July 27, 2022, 05:49:48 pm
I cast Dia on Jim.

(https://i.postimg.cc/kGR1ywjD/vince-mc-mahon-shocked-face.gif)
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: TricMagic on July 27, 2022, 06:21:31 pm
To be fair, did not really know who was confirmed. So I went with the idea that Jim dies night 1 and used Dia.

From the sounds of it, NQT and I are confirmed not to have done the kill, since they were surprised Jim was alive.


... One reason I didn't cast it on Chaos' side is mostly cause I'm Law. That said, it's either Jim or Toony yeah?

Say what you want about me targeting Law, I didn't sabotage Chaos' recruitment last night.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 06:28:46 pm
… it’s a 9 player game, which more than likely means only 2 mafia. 1 mafia member guaranteed to be publicly Law, one Chaos. We eliminated the Chaos mafia on D1. The other mafia is Law.

Like… pay attention?

Of all the Law members available to kill, why on Earth would anyone choose Jim? You claimed Miller, which is only ever a town role in a standard game, and I was pretty confident everyone townread Toony.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 06:45:46 pm
Y’also haven’t told us what Dia does, which would be helpful in figuring out what happened with Jim.

We know from KW’s flip that the mafia seem to have demons that have a special factional kill each, so it’s  likely the other mafia member has demons that do weird shit with their faction kill, such as make it look like someone else performed it.

We know NQT targeted Jim, presumably with Metatron, but we don’t know what that did, so if NQT would also like to tell us what that was supposed to do it would be helpful.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 06:49:51 pm
ToonyMan
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 06:50:18 pm
Also, Tric, you're... unbelievable.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 06:53:33 pm
Rightio.

Would you like to expand on voting for Toony? I’m not against it buuuut… there’s already been a revealed demon on the scum team that makes it look like someone else performed the mafiakill.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 06:54:34 pm
So we know NQT and Tric acted on Jim, and I have claimed Jim acted on NJW, who was killed in the night.

Would Toony and Max like to claim their actions?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 27, 2022, 06:55:17 pm
So we know NQT and Tric acted on Jim, and I have claimed Jim acted on NJW, who was killed in the night.

Would Toony and Max like to claim their actions?
I targeted ToonyMan.

I'd like to hear from ToonyMan before saying more.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: ToonyMan on July 27, 2022, 07:05:27 pm
Okay fine I'll talk normally.

Full claim (since I promised I'd be okay with people voting me today anyway...)

My demons are Dionysus and Black Frost. Cybele was my third pick but I didn't get it.

Dionysus has a one-shot called Sexy Dance that prevents harmful actions from working on me that night and redirects all beneficial actions to me that night.

Black Frost has a two-shot called Black Dracostrike that kills the demon in someone's party that's weak to the Dark element, if they have any. If I kill a demon then I gain multi-tasking the next night.

I also have an Endure one-shot passive the prevents the death of any of my demons, but only once.

Last night I:

1. Used Black Dracostrike on Jim Groovester
2. Used Sabotage to reduce the strength of a random Chaos player's demon recruitment
3. I didn't try to recruit any of the demons, because I expect to die today

The result:

I did not gain multi-tasking, in other words I was not able to kill one of Jim's demons.
Sabotage was successful.
My Endure was used.


I'm voting Jim because NQT and Tric are less likely to be mafia. If I'm voted first then vote Jim tomorrow.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 27, 2022, 07:07:36 pm
I also have an Endure one-shot passive the prevents the death of any of my demons, but only once.
[...]
My Endure was used.
Hahaha, thanks for making this easy.

I shot ToonyMan with my gun that kills the demons of mafia members.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: ToonyMan on July 27, 2022, 07:10:43 pm
You're wrong, but okay.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 07:10:59 pm
That seems a bit on the nose as an ability. Also, webadict claimed to have a kill action that he would use on one of Toony’s demons, so one of your actions failed.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: ToonyMan on July 27, 2022, 07:11:51 pm
Max is still town here, if I die today STILL VOTE JIM TOMORROW
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 07:12:41 pm
Max is still cleared, yes, but I’d still like to clear up the discrepancy :p
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 27, 2022, 07:14:14 pm
That seems a bit on the nose as an ability.
It's exactly what it does, but it's actually two abilities working together to create this effect.
I have one that shoots people, and one that makes the shooting only affect mafia.

BUT, if webadict did try to kill one of Toony's demons, then that means Toony is probably town, since otherwise one or the other would have gotten through, so I do want to hear whether he did that. I didn't remember him saying he would, so I figured all the targets were accounted for.
Unvote for a sec since I'm not going to be here for a bit.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 07:15:08 pm
I s’pose it would mean webadict claiming if his demon killing ability has any weird restrictions like Max’s, ‘cause I’m more inclined to believe Max’s kill failed than webadict’s.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 07:30:12 pm
Uuuuuuuuggggghhhhh, fiiiiiiiiiine, Jim Groovester.

I did kill Toony's demons, and I know it was successful because my Ability got a lucky crit proc, which you don't have to think to hard about. All it does is give me Multitasking Tonight, so I can fucking block TricMagic from whatever the fuck he's gonna do, and then kill another demon from ToonyMan if he's lying.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 07:36:48 pm
Also, if we're not voting Toony Today, I honestly think we vote out TricMagic Tomorrow, because holy fuck that's dumb.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 07:38:35 pm
Does anyone have anything else to add?

PPE: I mean… it’s something Tric would do.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 07:46:52 pm
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Vote Count
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Jim Groovester: 3; webadict, TricMagic, Toonyman
Toonyman: 1; Jim Groovester
webadict: 0
TricMagic: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 5 - notquitethere, Maximum Spin, hector13

4 to Hammer. Day ends on July 30, 2022 at 15:00 Pacific Time (~69 hours remaining).


It is currently Day 2.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 07:48:46 pm
Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8394389#msg8394389) is also voting for Jim Groovester.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 07:56:12 pm
The game is basically over, just turbo execute and get the game over with.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 07:57:48 pm
Jim Groovester
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 27, 2022, 07:58:12 pm
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Multitasking

So double acting is in this game.

notquitethere, then. I'm thinking he did whatever Metatron does to me, which is conveniently public and would 'clear' him as the night killer, but then also used a duplicate of Knightwing64's ability that has the target randomly kill a townie and hit me with that as well.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:03:19 pm
Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8394389#msg8394389) is also voting for Jim Groovester.
My bad, missed it since I was scanning down the left side of my screen.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 08:04:22 pm
Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8394389#msg8394389) is also voting for Jim Groovester.
My bad, missed it since I was scanning down the left side of my screen.
It’s a sensible thing for players to make a new line or vote at the start of a post, aye.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:07:27 pm
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Vote Count
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Jim Groovester: 4 (HAMMER!); webadict, TricMagic, Toonyman, hector13
Toonyman: 1; Jim Groovester
webadict: 0
TricMagic: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:

Not Voting - 5 - notquitethere, Maximum Spin


"Well that was quick," the Chaos leader sighed.

"Efficient as always I suppose," the Law leader nodded.



Jim Groovester has been eliminated. His alignment was Neutral (Mafia).

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Welcome, Jim Groovester! You are a follower of the Neutral alignment, and thus a member of the Mafia. You will falsely represent yourself as the Law alignment. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Mokoi
Dustoma (1-Shot) - Inflicts Mirage on the target. The target's action will fail if they target another player.

Trafuri (1-Shot) - Allows you to escape from conflict upon use. If you are targeted by a harmful or negative action, it will fail.

Saki Mitama
Grand Harvest (Passive) - While Saki Mitama is in your party, recruited demons will never be diminished. If you perform Negotiation, you may sacrifice Saki Mitama to guarantee a successful recruitment.

All Neutral players have been eliminated. Law and Chaos have won!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:09:17 pm
Jim - Any (Didn't send any picks)
Knightwing64 - Mother Harlot, Metatron, Baal
ToonyMan - Dionysus, Cybele, Black Frost
webadict - Titania, Silky, Setanta
TricMagic - Pixie, Abdiel
NJW2000 - Moloch, Agathion, Alilat
notquitethere - Mothman, Metatron, Norn
Maximum Spin - Anubis, Ganesha, Mithras
hector13 - Okuninushi, Jatayu, Flauros
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Welcome, Knightwing64! You are a follower of the Neutral alignment, and thus a member of the Mafia. You will falsely represent yourself as the Chaos alignment. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Mother Harlot
Repel (2-Shot; Passive) - While Mother Harlot is in your party, all attacks that would hit you, including player kills, will instead reflect back onto the attacker.
Trisagion (1-Shot) - Can be used in place of the factional kill. A Fire element attack that kills the player and all of their demons. Cannot fail, be blocked, reflected, redirected, or protected against.

Baal
Tentarafoo (1-Shot) - Can be used in place of the factional kill. Inflicts Confusion on the target. The target will be Roleblocked and perform the factional night kill for you. However, they will target a random town member, and you will be unable to perform Negotiation and recruit the victim's demons.

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Welcome, Jim Groovester! You are a follower of the Neutral alignment, and thus a member of the Mafia. You will falsely represent yourself as the Law alignment. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Mokoi
Dustoma (1-Shot) - Inflicts Mirage on the target. The target's action will fail if they target another player.
Trafuri (1-Shot) - Allows you to escape from conflict upon use. If you are targeted by a harmful or negative action, it will fail.
Saki Mitama
Grand Harvest (Passive) - While Saki Mitama is in your party, recruited demons will never be diminished. If you perform Negotiation, you may sacrifice Saki Mitama to guarantee a successful recruitment.

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Welcome, webadict! You are a follower of the Chaos alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Titania
Great Mana Spring (Passive) - Greatly increases your max MP. Gain an additional two shots that you may distribute to your demons. For example, you may give two extra shots to one ability, or give one extra shot to two separate abilities.
Setanta
Fatal Sword (1-Shot) - Attacks the target with a high chance of a Critical hit. You will permanently, though randomly, kill one of your target's demons. There is a base 25% chance you may gain Multitasking for the next Night phase. Does NOT kill the player you are targeting. Fails if your Attack stat is lowered that night.

Fang Breaker (2-Shot) - Attacks the target and lowers their Attack. Prevents attack abilities from functioning during that night. Does NOT kill the player you are targeting. Fails if your Attack stat is lowered that night.

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Welcome, ToonyMan! You are a follower of the Law alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Dionysus
Sexy Dance (1-Shot) - Inflicts Charm on all players. Any players who attempt to target you with a harmful action will have their action fail. Any players who attempt to use a beneficial ability will be redirected into targeting you.

Black Frost
Black Dracostrike (2-Shot) - Attacks the target. Kills one demon that the target has in their party that is weak to the Dark element. If a demon is killed, you will gain Multitasking for the next Night phase. Does NOT kill the player you are targeting. Fails if your Attack stat is lowered that night.

Endure (1-Shot Passive) - Prevents the death of any of your demons, but only once. Does not protect you from player kills.

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Welcome, TricMagic! You are a follower of the Law alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Pixie
Dia (2-Shot) - Protects the target or their demons from being killed that night. Protects against one hostile action, and player kills have priority over demon kills.
Patra (3-Shot) - Day action. Cures the target of all status ailments.

Abdiel
Light's Descent (1-Shot; Unavailable Night 1)- Attacks all living players. Kills every demon in play that is weak to the Light element. If a demon is killed, you will gain Multitasking for the next Night phase. Does NOT kill the player you are targeting. Will not fail even if your Attack stat is lowered that night.
Herald (Passive) - This demon has fallen from grace. While Abdiel is in your party, alignment investigations that target you will return as a Neutral (Mafia) result.

Fallen (1-Shot Passive) - If you are eliminated via vote, you will instead remain in the game, and Abdiel will transform into her Fallen form. Other demons will leave your party, and you will no longer be able to recruit other demons. Works only once, and your role and alignment will not be revealed upon activation.

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Welcome, NJW2000! You are a follower of the Chaos alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Agathion
Sukukaja (2-Shot) - Raises the target's evasion that night. All abilities and actions that target the player will fail that night.

Alilat
Status Immunity (Passive) - While Alilat is in your party, you will be immune to status ailments.

Tetrakarn (1-Shot )- If your target or one of their demons would die that night due to being targeted by an attack, the attack will be reflected onto the attacker instead.

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Welcome, notquitethere! You are a follower of the Law alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Metatron
Demanding Presence (Passive) - While Metatron is in your party, when using an action or ability it will be publicly announced to the thread at the beginning of the Day phase that Metatron is in your party.
Fire of Sinai (1-Shot) - Attacks the target with the Almighty element. If successful, your target and their demons will die. Will not fail even if your Attack stat is lowered that night.

Norn
Samarecarm (1-Shot) - Revives one dead player and brings them back into the game. However, they will not have their demons, and thus have no abilities.

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Welcome, Maximum Spin! You are a follower of the Chaos alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Anubis
Judgement (Passive) - Light and Dark elemental attacks will not kill a demon if the player targeted truthfully follows Law or Chaos. Additionally, though you know that you are of the Chaos alignment, it will not be publicly known.

Hamaon (1-Shot) - Attacks the target with the Light element. If successful, one of your target's demons will die. Only works if the target is a Chaos follower.

Mudoon (1-Shot) - Attacks the target with the Dark element. If successful, one of your target's demons will die. Only works if the target is a Law follower.

Ganesha
Fierce Roar (1-Shot) - Attempts to redirect all player-killing actions towards the user. Grants protection from one kill attempt.

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Welcome, hector13! You are a follower of the Chaos alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:

Okuninushi
Me Patra (1-Shot) - Cures all status ailments for all players.

Estoma (1-Shot) - Day action. Upon use, you will appear to disappear from the game until the next day phase. You cannot be targeted by any abilities or be voted until the next day phase. However, you will be unable to use any abilities or vote until the next day phase. You may still post in the thread and talk while this ability is active. If this ability would reduce the number of votes required to hammer, it will do so.

Flauros
Severing Bite (1-Shot) - Attacks the target. You will learn who the target visited last night, but you will also kill the demon who's action your target used. If your target uses multiple demons that night, one will be killed randomly. Does NOT kill the player you are targeting. Fails if your Attack stat is lowered that night.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - Day 2 - Beyond the Point of Redemption
Post by: ToonyMan on July 27, 2022, 08:09:34 pm
I didn't really suspect Jim at all D1 which is a shame because the game became unwinnable for them after D1.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:14:22 pm
There was a lot of fun stuff in everyone's roles that unfortunately didn't get to play out. Toony's Sexy Dance would've been chaotic, and Tric's Abdiel transformation would've functioned as a boss fight that would cause everyone to lose a demon every night.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: TricMagic on July 27, 2022, 08:15:50 pm
This game was a bit imbalanced by the fact hitting one mafia day 1 meant the entire group was cleared.

Question, would Law have won if they outnumbered Chaos by the end of the mafia. :)



There was a lot of fun stuff in everyone's roles that unfortunately didn't get to play out. Toony's Sexy Dance would've been chaotic, and Tric's Abdiel transformation would've functioned as a boss fight that would cause everyone to lose a demon every night.
Would need me to get Lynched for that. And you gave me Miller for whatever reason.   :D
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 08:17:11 pm
Jim was really the only sensible teammate for KW on D1 I thought.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:17:59 pm
Also I gave out a lot of demon-killing power so that power levels would decrease the further the game went on. There was overall a lot of power for town and mafia and had a lot of swing potential, but Knightwing getting caught early nearly turned it into a mountainous game, not much power actually got used in the end.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 27, 2022, 08:20:18 pm
That was a difficult setup.

I think guaranteeing that there is one scum in a subset of players and another scum in another subset of players drastically reduces the number of potential teams up for consideration and would have made for a difficult time at all stages of the game regardless of how well we played. Without that, I think our odds of victory are still pretty iffy but I think we make it to lylo at least.

The setup's probably fine except for the town getting a huge amount of free information at game start.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 08:25:27 pm
Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.
Well, well, well... Looks like I was right after all!
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:25:58 pm
This game was a bit imbalanced by the fact hitting one mafia day 1 meant the entire group was cleared.

Question, would Law have won if they outnumbered Chaos by the end of the mafia. :)



There was a lot of fun stuff in everyone's roles that unfortunately didn't get to play out. Toony's Sexy Dance would've been chaotic, and Tric's Abdiel transformation would've functioned as a boss fight that would cause everyone to lose a demon every night.
Would need me to get Lynched for that. And you gave me Miller for whatever reason.   :D
I put in some red herrings to imply that alignment Millers could exist so that no one could be considered clear, unfortunately that didn't really play out.

Technically, Law vs Chaos wasn't a win condition, someone pointed it out earlier that it might not factor into the game much and they were correct. It was mainly meant to inspire paranoia.

You received Miller since I've been vocal in the past how I don't care for Millers, and figured it might be more effective if the town tried to meta read the mod here and had reason to believe a Miller wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Egan_BW on July 27, 2022, 08:27:40 pm
Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.
Well, well, well... Looks like I was right after all!
Not sure how you do that but for the record I wouldn't have believed you if not for some accidental spoiling.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:30:48 pm
That was a difficult setup.

I think guaranteeing that there is one scum in a subset of players and another scum in another subset of players drastically reduces the number of potential teams up for consideration and would have made for a difficult time at all stages of the game regardless of how well we played. Without that, I think our odds of victory are still pretty iffy but I think we make it to lylo at least.

The setup's probably fine except for the town getting a huge amount of free information at game start.
If I ever ran it again, I think the setup works out better with no publicly known alignments. I wanted it to help balance against Negotiation giving scum more power but a Day 1 elim also crushes that.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: hector13 on July 27, 2022, 08:32:54 pm
It didn’t help that KW made no effort and gave up early doors, which made it very easy to eliminate him.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 08:35:19 pm
It didn’t help that KW made no effort and gave up early doors, which made it very easy to eliminate him.
Knightwing is just new to being scum. He was doing GREAT after he had been functionally caught. If he had pulled that out earlier, NQT probably would've been executed, and then who knows how the game would've gone.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Roden on July 27, 2022, 08:38:33 pm
Chat server because I forgot to post it: https://discord.gg/8XHksqDE
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: ToonyMan on July 27, 2022, 08:41:16 pm
It didn’t help that KW made no effort and gave up early doors, which made it very easy to eliminate him.
Knightwing is just new to being scum. He was doing GREAT after he had been functionally caught. If he had pulled that out earlier, NQT probably would've been executed, and then who knows how the game would've gone.
It's true. I didn't want to hammer Knightwing at the end because it would have been really bad if he was town and I wasn't 100% sure.

Friendly reminder that TricMagic has once again protected a mafia member from me targeting them.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Jim Groovester on July 27, 2022, 08:44:15 pm
Maybe I should have claimed I was a Law miller like I was thinking. I don't know if it would have worked and I don't remember all the reasons I decided not to. I think I was thinking without knowing Maximum Spin's true alignment it was dangerous. I really could've used the WIFOM.

Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.
Well, well, well... Looks like I was right after all!

*sigh*

*unenthusiastic clapping*


It didn’t help that KW made no effort and gave up early doors, which made it very easy to eliminate him.
Knightwing is just new to being scum. He was doing GREAT after he had been functionally caught. If he had pulled that out earlier, NQT probably would've been executed, and then who knows how the game would've gone.
It's true. I didn't want to hammer Knightwing at the end because it would have been really bad if he was town and I wasn't 100% sure.

I'm going to claim mild success in coaching him then.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: Maximum Spin on July 27, 2022, 08:46:21 pm
Yeah, by the end of d1 web had me convinced it was either Jim or Toony, so I decided to use the shot since it would effectively either confirm or clear. Until Toony mentioned the endure, I had figured it must not have hit and it was Jim, so that could've really gone sideways if web hadn't cleared up that he did the same thing. :P

Glad Knightwing was actually scum and didn't just get worse at the game, too. I would've felt just a little bad if he were town.
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: webadict on July 27, 2022, 09:05:25 pm
Friendly reminder that TricMagic has once again protected a mafia member from me targeting them.
I feel like TricMagic does these things ON PURPOSE. Like, there's no way, right?
Title: Re: Demon Mafia - GAME OVER - Law and Chaos win!
Post by: notquitethere on July 27, 2022, 10:41:42 pm
I shot Jim with a killing power, so if Tric hadn't have protected him, the game would have been won on N1. Not that it was rocket science, but I'm pleased I got that much right.

Anyway, I knew as soon as I acted that Metatron would announce itself so I was most likely dead on N2 latest, so I thought I'd go all in on the (true) resurrection claim. It's not really 4D chess though, I just prefer playing around with claims and seeing the reactions than asking a bunch of questions or whatever.