Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uoLol, tbh I initially did think to just let people use whatever demon from whichever game. But there's so many...many, games. I figure it's more convenient and easier to look up info if we use the latest iteration as a base.
In.Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).
fucking what
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Where there are demons, I slay them.Same. Nocturne especially is a classic.
Where there are saints, I slay them.
In.Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.Spoiler: The old games are funny though (click to show/hide)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo
In.Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).
fucking what
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uoGonna be honest, I searched the entire starting post for a list of demons, and couldn't find it until you posted it, so without this post I never would've found the link, lol.
In.Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).
fucking what
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uoGonna be honest, I searched the entire starting post for a list of demons, and couldn't find it until you posted it, so without this post I never would've found the link, lol.
In.Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).
fucking what
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.Spoiler: The old games are funny though (click to show/hide)
Lol, tbh I initially did think to just let people use whatever demon from whichever game. But there's so many...many, games. I figure it's more convenient and easier to look up info if we use the latest iteration as a base.
Pick Mara. Just trust me on this one.
Oop, my bad. I'll make the text to the link bigger so it's easier to notice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uoGonna be honest, I searched the entire starting post for a list of demons, and couldn't find it until you posted it, so without this post I never would've found the link, lol.
In.Once you In to join, submit three demons of your choice using the list here (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons).
fucking what
Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.
Flavor knowledge has benefits, but it isn't necessary to play or understand the game mechanics. It's entirely possible and feasible to win despite having zero knowledge.Oh, right, the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. I know all bout the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons. There probably isn't anybody out there who knows more than me about the List_of_Shin_Megami_Tensei_V_Demons.I recommend Nocturne, Strange Journey, and the two IV games as well. Those are my favorite from mainline.Spoiler: The old games are funny though (click to show/hide)Lol, tbh I initially did think to just let people use whatever demon from whichever game. But there's so many...many, games. I figure it's more convenient and easier to look up info if we use the latest iteration as a base.
Do I need to know anything about shin megamind tensile strength to play this game or can I just
not
instead?Pick Mara. Just trust me on this one.
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In.No matter what your picks are, they'll always at least be useful. For digging through the wiki for that won't be necessary.
Fingers crossed flavour knowledge doesn't play a major role... I'm probably not going to spend time going through hundreds of pages of a wiki for a game I haven't heard of.
Vote Count
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webadict: 0
Knightwing64: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
NJW2000: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 9 - webadict, Knightwing64, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, TricMagic, NJW2000, notquitethere, Maximum Spin, hector13
5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~72 hours remaining).
It is currently Day.
I'm going to give the reasonable explanation that Max being ? ? ? is to simply keep the Law and Chaos at 4v4. If anything this makes me want to trust him more.You would be right to do so.
So assuming there's two Neutrals are they more likely one in Law and one in Chaos? Maybe.We were told there would have to be at least one in each in the first post, so yes.
We were told there would have to be at least one in each in the first post, so yes.Right.
I'm curious. Everyone, do your roles say anything about elements?Nope.
Hmm. I thought chaos and law demons were in the same side in this? One second, lemme reread the introduction 😅We kind of are. Town win together in this, however Law and Chaos will be given reasons to sabotage each other apparently.
Additionally, it is guaranteed that at least one Mafia member will present as Law-aligned, and at least one Mafia member will present as Chaos-aligned. By default, Law and Chaos alignments are publically known.
I'm going to give the reasonable explanation that Max being ? ? ? is to simply keep the Law and Chaos at 4v4. If anything this makes me want to trust him more.You would be right to do so.QuoteSo assuming there's two Neutrals are they more likely one in Law and one in Chaos? Maybe.We were told there would have to be at least one in each in the first post, so yes.
I'm curious. Everyone, do your roles say anything about elements?
I'm going to give the reasonable explanation that Max being ? ? ? is to simply keep the Law and Chaos at 4v4. If anything this makes me want to trust him more.
MaximumSpin for rolefishing, that most reliable of scumtells!
On that note, I identify as a Neutral, for any investigators out there.
Maximum Spin: I would really like some explanation toward your public alignment being question marks.It means that I am a pure and devout follower of ? ? ?.
So Max is 0 for 2 on avoiding scumtells so far, voting a suspected (admittedly only by me) third party.
Someone needs to re-read the OP methinks.
Maximum Spin: I would really like some explanation toward your public alignment being question marks.It means that I am a pure and devout follower of ? ? ?.
It's an auto ability, that's all.
I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.
It’s also kosher to get rid of claimed Millers so the mafia can’t fakeclaim it soooo…
TricMagic
It seemed to me that he also missed that neutral meant mafia, and thought that it was just a normal thing to admit to.I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.
You really think he claimed being scum?
Failing to detect/ignore facetiousness. Rolefishing isn't a scumtell for me, but this really is. Scum like responding to low-handing fruit, even if it doesn't go anywhere.MaximumSpin for rolefishing, that most reliable of scumtells!
I hope you're not being serious because this is zzzzzzzzzzz
Toonyman: So do you think Max is actually townconf, or just has a hidden alignment, now you'd been reminded what the OP says? Or do you think there could be three scum, I guess?I feel like he's probably not mafia.
Someone needs to re-read the OP methinks.QuoteAdditionally, it is guaranteed that at least one Mafia member will present as Law-aligned, and at least one Mafia member will present as Chaos-aligned. By default, Law and Chaos alignments are publically known.
I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.Get your eyes checked.
ToonyMan didn't even let me post before unvoting, how sad.It can't be helped.
Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.Why?
Tric is mafia guys
Given I can kill everything with a weakness to Light? Yes.MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROOOLE OH MY GOD MY ROOOOOOOOLE
On that note, I identify as a Neutral, for any investigators out there.
Too hard to hit the color button on my phone.Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.Why?
I would like to propose policy lynching NJW2000.This will find scum!
Vote Count
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webadict: 0
Knightwing64: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 2; hector13, Maximum Spin
NJW2000: 1; webadict
notquitethere: 1; ToonyMan
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
hector13: 1; Jim Groovester
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 3 - Knightwing64, TricMagic, notquitethere
5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~67 hours remaining).
It is currently Day.
Too hard to hit the color button on my phone.Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.Why?
Ba dum tsh.
I don't think Tric was claiming miller, man.
@Maximum Spin: Knightwing-o-meter?I just looked it over...
eh?
TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.
I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Not sold on Jim.
@Maximum Spin: Knightwing-o-meter?I should be the resident Knightwing reader. :(
I was actually going to accuse NQT and Knightwing of being the team in my first post, just on a silly whim. I'm starting to think it was right.It's...possible.
I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Not sold on Jim.
I don't wanna be first kill again :(I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Not sold on Jim.Spoiler: Mafia Eyes Only (click to show/hide)
Maximum Spin is mafia, confirmed. Got 'em.I don't wanna be first kill again :(I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Not sold on Jim.Spoiler: Mafia Eyes Only (click to show/hide)
I will be fair to NQT because he’s a Brit and I think the game started lateish there and NQT is probably unconscious just now.I am serious about NQT. Unless he can convince me the Law mafia is Tric or Jim or Max.
just in case y’all are being serious, I am so tired
I was actually going to accuse NQT and Knightwing of being the team in my first post, just on a silly whim. I'm starting to think it was right.This gives me the gut feeling that Max is legit and town.
MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROOOLE OH MY GOD MY ROOOOOOOOLE
eh?TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.
Tric is probably town. I think Jim is too.
Failing to detect/ignore facetiousness. Rolefishing isn't a scumtell for me, but this really is. Scum like responding to low-handing fruit, even if it doesn't go anywhere.
Web also recently told me he was one of two players to ever claim miller as scum on bay12... don't know how relevant that is, but we should definitely policy eliminate him today, just to be on the safe side.
I would like to propose policy lynching NJW2000.
It seemed to me that he also missed that neutral meant mafia, and thought that it was just a normal thing to admit to.
If he says he meant that he only investigates as a neutral, though, I'll reconsider.
@Maximum Spin: Knightwing-o-meter?I just looked it over...
The Knightwing-o-meter reports mafia.
I was actually going to accuse NQT and Knightwing of being the team in my first post, just on a silly whim. I'm starting to think it was right.
Also, Jim Groovester is liable to be scum this game. Imagine his name in blue because I'm too lazy to blue it myself.
What is it about what Jim’s posted so far that has NQT scumlocked though? I get Tric, you’re not going to out yourself so easily if you are scum, but Jim hasn’t posted much of use, however entertaining what he has posted is.
I trust this read if you're town but I never suspected you while spectating Beginner BYOR 2 so I don't know if I can trust you yet.I am always completely trustworthy, especially as mafia.
Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.The important thing is that I am town.
The important thing is that I am town.
@Jim: Prior to your most recent post, your main contribution was to complain about boring plays, complain about how I was voting arbitrarily while you were voting me because I was chaos, and there was probably something else but I can’t be bothered reading the thread back at this hour.
My main problem with Toony clearing you over NQT is the above combined with the fact NQT hadn’t even posted yet, -though their initial post and vote of a claimed Miller in what is probably getting to the tail-end of RVS is… questionable, as an RVS vote and probably beyond that also - and while I tend to gut read everything, I’m disinclined to indict (convict? There’s a word there I want to use and I don’t know if either of those are quite it) someone before they’ve posted, particularly when they’re being scumread over someone whose contribution was 90% shitpost.
It ain’t a mountain, but it’s a notable molehill.
Also I should clarify that someone being useful is them being useful in RVS, in other words doing things to get out of it quickly, which the shitposting, while fun, is not useful. *banal story about scum wanting to stay in RVS forever*
There’s no time for fun and games in mafia, it’s srs bznz.
Right, so assume I am town, and then identify one scum between four chaos players, and then correctly decide that it is Knightwing, and then identify one scum between three law players. Then you win!The important thing is that I am town.
Yeah, yeah, sure, of course, but I'd rather identify one scum between four chaos players and one scum between three law players, instead of identify one scum between four chaos players + Maximum Spin and one scum between three law players + Maximum Spin.
That's reasonable. Hector seems pretty town here.
You suspect Jim so you're arguing that suspecting NQT over Jim seems wrong when NQT hadn't even posted yet. I don't agree, but maybe NQT will prove me wrong tomorrow. Voting Tric is definitely not the move.
@Jim:
Yes. Tric is town! Knightwing is mafia! The die has been cast. The coin has been flipped.
The important thing is that I am town.
Yeah, yeah, sure, of course, but I'd rather identify one scum between four chaos players and one scum between three law players, instead of identify one scum between four chaos players + Maximum Spin and one scum between three law players + Maximum Spin.@Jim: Prior to your most recent post, your main contribution was to complain about boring plays, complain about how I was voting arbitrarily while you were voting me because I was chaos, and there was probably something else but I can’t be bothered reading the thread back at this hour.
My main problem with Toony clearing you over NQT is the above combined with the fact NQT hadn’t even posted yet, -though their initial post and vote of a claimed Miller in what is probably getting to the tail-end of RVS is… questionable, as an RVS vote and probably beyond that also - and while I tend to gut read everything, I’m disinclined to indict (convict? There’s a word there I want to use and I don’t know if either of those are quite it) someone before they’ve posted, particularly when they’re being scumread over someone whose contribution was 90% shitpost.
It ain’t a mountain, but it’s a notable molehill.Also I should clarify that someone being useful is them being useful in RVS, in other words doing things to get out of it quickly, which the shitposting, while fun, is not useful. *banal story about scum wanting to stay in RVS forever*
There’s no time for fun and games in mafia, it’s srs bznz.
But shitposts are useful content and I'd rather have the shitposts over the
I don't even know what RVS alternative you're suggesting is preferable to shitposts.
Because shitposts give a glimpse into a player's attitude and how comfortable and genuine they appear to be, both important indicators for whether a player is town or scum.
Or didn't ask before responding, anyway. Yes, I am.Failing to detect/ignore facetiousness. Rolefishing isn't a scumtell for me, but this really is. Scum like responding to low-handing fruit, even if it doesn't go anywhere.
Are you really going to say it's suspicious that I couldn't tell whether you were being serious or not
For real
Oh. I'd give Tric a bit more credit than this. Remember that game he didn't claim D1 because he was a sandwich maker, and you voted him out on it? Not only did it save my ass as mafia, it gave me such a rock-solid reason for voting you out D2 you were still talking about how reasonable it was D3. Still haven't learned?eh?TRICMAGIC GOING 'MY ROOOOOOOOOOOLE OMG MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE MY ROLE ROLE ROLE ROLE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MINE MY ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE' LEADS ME TO THINK THIS IS TOWN TRICMAGIC REGARDLESS OF HOW OBNOXIOUS IT IS.
Actually, I'd really like to give you my alignment, but I'm pretty sure there's a reason it's hidden.Got any ways to publically prove your alignment? Could be useful if the first scum flips the same way.
Do you guys never sleep? :'(^Knightwing, if you're not scum, who is scum in the Chaos faction?
Of course I wasn’t posting, I was sleeping. I guess it’s just time zone differences.
Also, I’m not mafia. Promise. (I suppose I could be mafia to the order faction but whatever)
How can I prove to you I’m not mafia? Because the game just started and it would suck to leave so soon
Do you guys never sleep? :'(^Knightwing, if you're not scum, who is scum in the Chaos faction?
Of course I wasn’t posting, I was sleeping. I guess it’s just time zone differences.
Also, I’m not mafia. Promise. (I suppose I could be mafia to the order faction but whatever)
How can I prove to you I’m not mafia? Because the game just started and it would suck to leave so soon
NJW, Max might be, yeah. I think that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-to-it kind of problem.Uh... why is it that kind of problem? And when do we get to it? We can't just plough through four miselims.
Maximum Spin is mafia, confirmed. Got 'em.I don't wanna be first kill again :(I know it isn’t Tric. It probably isn’t Toony or you, possibly also not NJW. Maybe kinda sorta not Max.You think me and Web are both town? Mmmm.
Not sold on Jim.Spoiler: Mafia Eyes Only (click to show/hide)
I’m just posting how I normally do…Okay, then explain to me this one: How is this you different from scum you?
Wth
Fine, whatever. Vote me out if you want.
Like, I can’t accuse anybody of being guilty like you can with nothing to base it off of, my brain doesn’t work like that. Maybe I’ll claim to have a blah blah meter next game and see if that gets people to vote you out
>:(
I’m just posting how I normally do…Okay, then explain to me this one: How is this you different from scum you?
Wth
Fine, whatever. Vote me out if you want.
Like, I can’t accuse anybody of being guilty like you can with nothing to base it off of, my brain doesn’t work like that. Maybe I’ll claim to have a blah blah meter next game and see if that gets people to vote you out
>:(
I don't care how you explain it, but what would you be doing differently? What would you be doing the same? Show me some examples of you being scum that differ from your play here.
I find NJW2000 and hector13 the most objectionable so far but since they're both Chaos there can only be one scum between the two of them. I think I pick NJW2000 between the two. webadict and Knightwing64 are both null but Knightwing64 seems pretty apathetic so far.
I need to pick one scum between ToonyMan, TricMagic, and notquitethere. I feel like it's not ToonyMan but I am terrified of his skill. I'd need to see more of TricMagic and notquitethere to make the determination between the two. TricMagic's role obsession is there but it seems muted compared to what I would normally expect. notquitethere is alive but sleepy.
Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.
I think I’ll triple down on that line of questioning Knightwing. The quickest way to get us off your back is having opinions on the other players in the game, so long as you can back ‘em up.
[shortened for legibilityLet me break this down because I'm gonna use your words against you here.
Well, for one, when I’m scum I’m not really as invested as I am when I’m town. I joke a lot more and etc, I might make a joke here or there but I’m still mostly serious.This post does sound a bit disinterested, but that's taking things a bit out of context, but your opening post and a few of your reads seem joke-based, yes?
Hmm. I thought chaos and law demons were in the same side in this? One second, lemme reread the introduction 😅
The fact that max didn't respond to this, and didn't even give a joke in reply is kinda weird to me. Dunno, not much has gone on yet that I can base my accusations on. Web is sussing everybody but himself, but he always does that.Of your 9 posts, none of them really contained any reads other than the preceding.
Also, I would be making inane excuses instead of doing what I’m doing right now and genuinely trying to get you to realize that I’m town... But, you've been making several excuses for your lack of posting consistently so far:
Do you guys never sleep? Of course I wasn't posting, I was sleeping. I guess it's just time zone differences.Also, I'm not mafia. Promise. (I suppose I could be mafia to the order faction but whatever) How can I prove to you I'm not mafia? Because the game just started and it would suck to leave so soon
Okay. I won't be able to post for a few hours, because run driving to a camping site, but once I'm there I'll do thatBut, that's a little unfair, in that they're not exactly inane, but they DO match your previous modus operandi as scum, AND your scum description is, shall we say, a little too on the nose?
Damn, Max, can you even hear Knightwing over those blaring alarm bells?I cannot.
@Max: you don't think much of D1 elims, you do like being townconf, NQT claims a res. Do you want people to vote you out today? If not, why not?No. I don't like being killed and relying on someone else who could easily just be lying, and even still could end up screwing it up. Besides, my alignment is private for a reason, presumably, and even if it's totally fine to have it revealed, I don't want my powers stolen. Besides, I don't have any problem with a d1 lynch if it actually finds mafia, such as, for example, Knightwing.
… the fact I only placed a weak rvs vote not register, or are you just zeroed in on Knightwing and Jim?Blah blah blah, whatever, I don't really care. You're never voting out Maximum Spin on Day 1, and you're definitely gonna have a hard time convincing me that Maximum Spin is mafia here, which will make me complain a lot about your vote. If you wanna complain that I'm focused on Jim, then you're not paying attention to what I'm saying. But, I don't care about what you're saying because it doesn't matter to me right now because you're not making a case, since you're effectively Town if Knightwing is scum, and if Knightwing is Town, then you're scum!
Alright, TricMagic is a Miller => More likely to be Town than random chance. Tric hasn't really said anything, though, which I find worrisome, so I'm willing to switch my stance here to TricMagic potentially being scummy. I'm mostly changing my mind here because I'm thinking of who could be partners with Knightwing. Without Knightwing, TricMagic is meh? Which means he's still kinda scummy, but less so.I find NJW2000 and hector13 the most objectionable so far but since they're both Chaos there can only be one scum between the two of them. I think I pick NJW2000 between the two. webadict and Knightwing64 are both null but Knightwing64 seems pretty apathetic so far.
I need to pick one scum between ToonyMan, TricMagic, and notquitethere. I feel like it's not ToonyMan but I am terrified of his skill. I'd need to see more of TricMagic and notquitethere to make the determination between the two. TricMagic's role obsession is there but it seems muted compared to what I would normally expect. notquitethere is alive but sleepy.
Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.
It's actually two lines right now. I'm being cautious cause deducing a demon allows the mafia to steal it, even if they fail to kill the target. I'd rather not lose mine, particularly since a lot of demons are weak to light.
That said, I'm not really afraid of being lynched either. And as has been proven in the past, I can't really draw a nightkill either, so.. Not really any pressure? If Mafia kills me, that removes a miller. If not, I'm still in the game. Healing debuffs is my game, since that's a Day skill. (Probably say too much though. At least it's fairly common.)
I find NJW2000 and hector13 the most objectionable so far but since they're both Chaos there can only be one scum between the two of them. I think I pick NJW2000 between the two. webadict and Knightwing64 are both null but Knightwing64 seems pretty apathetic so far.Jim Groovester is next. Jim Groovester has 4 posts, but I'm not liking his (lack of) takes against Knightwing. By this time, Knightwing had posted 3 times with very little content, but NJW2000 had posted 5 times with only a little more, but Jim really seemed to think that the minor difference in substance was enough to indicate that NJW2000 was among the scum in the Chaos faction. Honestly, I find this a bit hard to swallow, and it feels like covering for Knightwing, which I could see Jim doing as scum for Town or scum Knightwing.
I need to pick one scum between ToonyMan, TricMagic, and notquitethere. I feel like it's not ToonyMan but I am terrified of his skill. I'd need to see more of TricMagic and notquitethere to make the determination between the two. TricMagic's role obsession is there but it seems muted compared to what I would normally expect. notquitethere is alive but sleepy.
Maximum Spin being ??? means we probably need to solve for him at some point. Not knowing if he's Law or Chaos complicates the solve quite a bit. If he were a third party it would make the rest of the game a lot easier since the ambiguity of what his alignment is wouldn't be there to wrestle with. He hasn't done anything I find objectionable yet though.
@NQT:
Ur plan is dum
@Knightwing:
You're going to die today posting like that. I'm reading you as mafia hard.
@Knightwing:These feel like warning posts towards Knightwing. I'm not a fan.
Who do you think is mafia in the Chaos faction?
Web, NJW, or Hector? Or do you think Max is more likely?
Webadict is serious you know, he wouldn't be prioritizing another Chaos member without confidence.
NJW, Max might be, yeah. I think that's a cross-that-bridge-when-we-get-to-it kind of problem.notquitethere came up with a small plan, blah blah blah, if he can actually revive someone... Woo? It's a great backup plan, and a confirmable Action.
And if scum want to waste their night action interfering with my plans... that just means they're not interfering with other town players who may be cops, vigs, docs, etc.
Web, flat dismissal. Interesting. So what's the argument for launching Knightwing?
Okay, obviously, the lack of posts because I am traveling right now and have really bad car sickness so I can’t go on the phone is utterly irrelevant and means I’m scum!I'm not willing to be emotionally blackmailed right now, so I'm only going to double down if you try again. Personally, I'm not hitting very hard, and I'm really just looking for you to just show you're Town in one way or another. Are my points not legitimate? Am I missing something?
I did what you said. You dismissed it and then called me scum anyways, so I doubt anything I could do will convince you at this point.
I will just take solace in the fact that you are wrong and smile as I fall asleep.
I don't think Toony can reasonably be scum with Knightwing unless we posit that Knightwing is completely intractable in the scumchat. That's far from impossible, but since Toony knows exactly what we're looking for, he would be best posed to stop Knightwing from doing it, and ought to have been trying from the start.
Vote Count
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webadict: 0
Knightwing64: 2; hector13, webadict
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 1; notquitethere
NJW2000: 0
notquitethere: 2; TricMagic, ToonyMan
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
hector13: 0
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 3 - Knightwing64, Jim Groovester, Maximum Spin
5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~48 hours remaining).
It is currently Day.
I’m town. What do you want me to say, I dunno, I feel like hector and Jim are kinda flying under the radar, hector for very low key posts and Jim for not talking much
PLAN!
I'm going all in and betting there's a doc among you. Let's lynch Toony (or Jim) today, and if he's town then I'll resurrect him. Even if there's not a doc and scum nk me, then we'll still have a confirmed town on D2 OR a dead scum D1.
So what do you say?
Knightwing64 saying woe is me
Jim needs to vote
I’m town. What do you want me to say, I dunno, I feel like hector and Jim are kinda flying under the radar, hector for very low key posts and Jim for not talking muchLurker Track
I was voting NJW2000 in spirit to avoid racking up votes near hammer.Wait... Do you also suspect Knightwing, though? The rest of your post has some indication that way.
hector for very low key postsHuh?
At this point, I’m just starting to think I’m being set up by somebody. I know that sounds weird but I’m just doing what I always do and now I’m being voted out. I honestly, 100 percent do not understand whyWHO IS
Web - same as Max (why don't they like Jim?)I dunno... It's probably just me? I could totes be wrong, I usually am about Jim.
I'm okay with voting Knightwing today. I guess if anything that's better than voting NQT since KW is not my alignment.Do you have a hidden objective or something? Killing in our own pool is preferable if you know your alignment.
I’m town. What do you want me to say, I dunno, I feel like hector and Jim are kinda flying under the radar, hector for very low key posts and Jim for not talking muchThis kind of thing is good: it's an opinion about other players. Keep talking.
Webadict is serious you know, he wouldn't be prioritizing another Chaos member without confidence.
Ninja, at the top with you!This didn't make sense the first time I read it, and I'm not going to read it again, but the point I was making was that your post here (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8393700#msg8393700) talks as if the actual votes placed indicate the state of the game, when the RVS votes haven't even been cleaned up yet, and some players have been scumhunting without voting. As Jim said later, he voted me "in spirit" to avoid hammer proximity (ok, that is weird, as I think it would've take me to L-3 or something, but whatever), which counts as some kind of pressure.… the fact I only placed a weak rvs vote not register, or are you just zeroed in on Knightwing and Jim?Blah blah blah, whatever, I don't really care. You're never voting out Maximum Spin on Day 1, and you're definitely gonna have a hard time convincing me that Maximum Spin is mafia here, which will make me complain a lot about your vote. If you wanna complain that I'm focused on Jim, then you're not paying attention to what I'm saying. But, I don't care about what you're saying because it doesn't matter to me right now because you're not making a case, since you're effectively Town if Knightwing is scum, and if Knightwing is Town, then you're scum!
See? Easy logic. Not a problem. Moving on.
Jim is also (in spirit he says) voting for a player of an opposing “alignment”, so what makes ToonyMan’s vote more egregious than Jim’s?Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.
Care to explain?Not really, no.
Wasn’t that like my first game?
My pro strat is playing badly to get town cred 8)
But seriously, from my POV, flipping and resing stronger players is more useful for getting good confirmed town in the mid-late game.
I could be playing more psychological rather than mechanical, but honestly, I like to keep things exciting for myself and making claims and seeing the ripples is more fun than reading tone or whatever.Jim is also (in spirit he says) voting for a player of an opposing “alignment”, so what makes ToonyMan’s vote more egregious than Jim’s?Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.
As for Knightwing, I went and read back on his play in Jade Court where he was scum, and he was activelurking and disengaged from reading the game there, if that gives any hints to his scum style. Let's get some more interactions before we hit the big red button.
Not yet. I assume Roden will be giving Law and Chaos players actual incentives come Night phase.I'm okay with voting Knightwing today. I guess if anything that's better than voting NQT since KW is not my alignment.Do you have a hidden objective or something? Killing in our own pool is preferable if you know your alignment.
Toonyman: yeah, I'd also like to know why you keep producing stuff like this:I don't mind avoiding my own pool...in fact I'm currently voting NQT. I am giving Knightwing breathing room by doing this, but whatever? I don't care if he dies, but maybe someone else does?Webadict is serious you know, he wouldn't be prioritizing another Chaos member without confidence.As if we're incentivised not to want elims in our own pool? I'm mostly going to ignore chaos/order stuff until someone flips scum, but I don't get why I'd want to avoid my own pool.
Strong townlean on NQT - scum would probably hide a res and keep it in reserve, use it to either get townpoints or save their partner, depending how things went (especially if they could get KW or Tric out and use KW/Tric's playstyle as an excuse to not revive them). Even a town-specific res they'd want the option of never using.Interesting take.
I do also think a scum player would hear how NQT's last post just sounded and delete it before posting:
"let's eliminate our stronger players! Even the one we may not want to flip! I'm not reading that closely!"
Very bravura play if scum :P
Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.Am I?
Haven't finished the thread, but it seems to me you should want to find scum in the other group first, since you have fewer candidates in your own group.Assuming you're town:
Finding scum is still finding scum either way, but it makes sense to me to focus on trying to narrow down 4 before 3, at least if you're a "get the hard part out of the way" kind of person.
mostly by going along with what the player I replaced was doingHeh.
mostly by going along with what the player I replaced was doingHeh.
This one actually reminds me of Jade Court more than a little. Maybe that's something to reflect on more thoroughly.
I wonder what you could possibly be trying to tell me :p we’ll never know.Oh, I didn't mean for you specifically to reflect on. You can, though, I won't stop you. You may reach the same place I did.
I s’pose I can ask you why you’re not revealing your alignment in the thread when you said it was an auto ability hiding it mechanically. Will something terrible befall you or us if you do reveal it?Well, I see it as an advantage over not just the mafia but everyone. For example, there are powers that only affect players of known alignment: TricMagic didn't say it outright, but I believe the power that he claimed kills Chaos demons specifically. Presumably there is at least one Chaos player with the opposite power. As it stands, at a minimum it is a little harder for someone to kill me, and who knows what other powers might interact with the alignments? My role itself doesn't say that anything terrible would befall anyone if I reveal it, but I have to assume it was worth concealing, at least until someone convinces me otherwise.
My pro strat is playing badly to get town cred 8)
But seriously, from my POV, flipping and resing stronger players is more useful for getting good confirmed town in the mid-late game.
I could be playing more psychological rather than mechanical, but honestly, I like to keep things exciting for myself and making claims and seeing the ripples is more fun than reading tone or whatever.Jim is also (in spirit he says) voting for a player of an opposing “alignment”, so what makes ToonyMan’s vote more egregious than Jim’s?Toonyman is voting explicitly for someone of the other team... Jim isn't voting.
As for Knightwing, I went and read back on his play in Jade Court where he was scum, and he was activelurking and disengaged from reading the game there, if that gives any hints to his scum style. Let's get some more interactions before we hit the big red button.
I wonder what you could possibly be trying to tell me :p we’ll never know.Oh, I didn't mean for you specifically to reflect on. You can, though, I won't stop you. You may reach the same place I did.QuoteI s’pose I can ask you why you’re not revealing your alignment in the thread when you said it was an auto ability hiding it mechanically. Will something terrible befall you or us if you do reveal it?Well, I see it as an advantage over not just the mafia but everyone. For example, there are powers that only affect players of known alignment: TricMagic didn't say it outright, but I believe the power that he claimed kills Chaos demons specifically. Presumably there is at least one Chaos player with the opposite power. As it stands, at a minimum it is a little harder for someone to kill me, and who knows what other powers might interact with the alignments? My role itself doesn't say that anything terrible would befall anyone if I reveal it, but I have to assume it was worth concealing, at least until someone convinces me otherwise.
I'll note this is not the case Max... If an enemy demon is weak to Light, I kill them. Loup-garou (https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Loup-garou) is the first example I hit that's a Neutral alignment. What matters is the demons' weaknesses, not the player's alignment.I can categorically confirm that demon alignment in SMT has no bearing on player alignment in this game, at all.
ToonyMan and wubbaI don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.sittin’ in a treewould either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.ToonyMan and wubbaI don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.sittin’ in a treewould either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
NotQuiteThereNot an option.
Um, why?Because one of those 3 is the most likely to be scum to you.
Tric, don't be a doofus. Everyone can recruit dead player's demons. And nothing in the rules says anything about 3rd parties, does it? This isn't a bastard game.
I've finally had time to sit down and take a read back of the thread and everyone is right about KnightWing.
KW, dude, people think you're suspicious because you post 100% reactively. Defense is losing play, it helps no one, not even yourself. If you're town, place a vote on who you think is scum and give some reasons.
Really? They'd settle for three confirmed town and a dead partner?I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.ToonyMan and wubbaI don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.sittin’ in a treewould either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
As opposed to seven confirmed Town? Yeah, probably.Really? They'd settle for three confirmed town and a dead partner?I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.ToonyMan and wubbaI don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.sittin’ in a treewould either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
Excuse me while I listen to emo music and hope that someone believes me.Okay, how about this.
Web.As opposed to seven confirmed Town? Yeah, probably.Really? They'd settle for three confirmed town and a dead partner?I think they would. Don't go down with a sinking ship.ToonyMan and wubbaI don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.sittin’ in a treewould either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
Web.I mean, yes, they have to play perfectly, for sure, and by perfectly, I mean, they've gotta be fucking masterminding this shit, but I see no possible way if Knightwing is Mafia for him to be defended properly. Honestly, the first person to express doubts is gonna be super suspicious, especially if they're within the Law domain.
Web.
If Knightwing dies today and flips mafia then I don't see how mafia can win from my understanding of this game unless they have some special thing and play perfectly. And they would have to play perfectly with me, you, Max, NJW, and Hector around for at least most of it.
Anyway...I want to see who Jim votes...
So, if you'd like to be the first to defend Knightwing, please, be my guest. I know I'm potentially over-trusting my intuition, but I'd like to think that I'm still giving Knightwing plenty of chances.Knightwing will have to defend himself.
...Did you know that Maximum Spin has a really good theory about your play style?Neat.
...Did you know that Maximum Spin has a really good theory about your play style?You picked up on what I think you picked up on? Impressive.
Max, I'm on board with repeating the same bargain.I'm a little at a loss about which bargain you mean, though. We've had a few. :P
PPE: Reads by Knightwing64
I'll look at this again later when I've had a bit more time to think about the game.
Like, I can’t accuse anybody of being guilty like you can with nothing to base it off of, my brain doesn’t work like that. Maybe I’ll claim to have a blah blah meter next game and see if that gets people to vote you out
Excuse me while I listen to emo music and hope that someone believes me.
It's okay but suboptimal if we launch Knightwing today. I'd rather res someone more effective at hunting (no offence KW), so killing Toony or Jim, or even Max, is more high value for me today.
My pro strat is playing badly to get town cred 8)
more role focus
NQT, there is a fundamental flaw in your plan. We may be able to revive a player, but that also means Mafia has a 100% chance to steal one of their demons. Or did you miss that in your brilliant Role?
ToonyMan and wubbaI don't think they would honestly. From my understanding bussing a mafia!Knightwing would clear 3 other players as town. Which means they're bluffing or we're wrong. It's too detrimental to go for.sittin’ in a treewould either of you happen to have some insight on Jim and NQT’s propensity to bus their partner or not as scum?
Maybe NQT is town then, and NJW is right.
How you feeling Jim?
I am also giving Knightwing chances, even if it makes me look like I'm partners with him again for the umpteenth time. I don't care. I wonder what that says about me.
Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.
The point of this is that I'm still left at that single question: How exactly is this NOT you as scum? Shall I begin scouring the other games for better examples?
My reasons for voting KW:
Low effort posting
Not engaging with the game (not offering reads on events or players despite significant prompting)
Emotional blackmail
Giving up
Elim the guy with a claimed res by POE
Ok. This is something I'd be willing to vote you on then, for largely meta reasons.Care to explain?Not really, no.
So just to get this straight, you think we're going to be given incentives at the start of the night to mess with the other pool, and that we'd want to keep players in our own pool alive to succeed in them?Not yet. I assume Roden will be giving Law and Chaos players actual incentives come Night phase.I'm okay with voting Knightwing today. I guess if anything that's better than voting NQT since KW is not my alignment.Do you have a hidden objective or something? Killing in our own pool is preferable if you know your alignment.As if we're incentivised not to want elims in our own pool? I'm mostly going to ignore chaos/order stuff until someone flips scum, but I don't get why I'd want to avoid my own pool.I don't mind avoiding my own pool...in fact I'm currently voting NQT. I am giving Knightwing breathing room by doing this, but whatever? I don't care if he dies, but maybe someone else does?
This does not look like a genuine attempt to make Knightwing more constructive. If he flips town, you're not going to look good.NotQuiteThereNot an option.
You should be going after NJW2000, hector13, or me.
Take solace in the fact that you will likely be revived and prove NQT's innocence if you are Town!I'd also like to note that this is wrong on several levels. Res-ing town!nightwing wouldn't clear NQT, and town!NQT might not do it.
Vote Count
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Knightwing64: 3; hector13, webadict, notquitethere
notquitethere: 3; TricMagic, ToonyMan, Jim Groovester
NJW2000: 1; Knightwing64
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
webadict: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 1 - Maximum Spin
5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~34 hours remaining).
It is currently Day.
I'd just like to announce that I have no intention of engaging with any alignment-related bullshit, and I would consider any evidence of doing so over finding scum a lynchable offense.I'm struggling to see a town justification for not declaring which alignment you are when it would help us clear town if you are town? Scum!Max is going to want to wait until after one scum flips before claiming that he's the same alignment. Help me see what you're seeing here.
More seriously...Listen, buddy. I no longer think you're scum, but you're chasing pipe dreams if you think it's me.
(gets progressively less serious)
Anyways I am going to go vote NQT blindly.AS FOR JIM...
I'm struggling to see a town justification for not declaring which alignment you are when it would help us clear town if you are town? Scum!Max is going to want to wait until after one scum flips before claiming that he's the same alignment. Help me see what you're seeing here.I'm talking about whatever "incentives" town players of various alignments may or may not get to sabotage each other, not what you and your partner Knightwing do as mafia.
Ugh, Law hates me. It's my Chaotic heart!Goddamn, am I sure you're not Mafia?
MaxI'd just like to announce that I have no intention of engaging with any alignment-related bullshit, and I would consider any evidence of doing so over finding scum a lynchable offense.I'm struggling to see a town justification for not declaring which alignment you are when it would help us clear town if you are town? Scum!Max is going to want to wait until after one scum flips before claiming that he's the same alignment. Help me see what you're seeing here.
Jim, your argument seems to be that KW is scum and so by some alchemy I must be too. If you think he's scum, then why are you voting me? Also your POE ignores Max, as NJW has said...
Toony, is Jim town?
Tric, If a player dies, they lose their demons so when they res, they will demonless. As such, this confers no benefit to scum. In fact, it makes the ressed town player immune to the mafiakill! Your argument is completely backwards, because if you kill me first, you give scum the chance to get their own resurrection demon.
I think people don't realise how young KW is, which helps put his posting style into perspective. I'm glad he's being more proactive after promping.
Knightwing64.Yes, that'll do nicely, thanks.
That's the bargain you want, right?
My reasons for voting KW:
Low effort posting
Not engaging with the game (not offering reads on events or players despite significant prompting)
Emotional blackmail
Giving up
Hrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmm I think the first two are valid. The last two are pretty iffy. When players on the younger and inexperienced side break they tend to display the last two without it being indicative of alignment, although this isn't Knightwing64's first rodeo so he should have some resilience to pressure like this.
I think people don't realise how young KW is, which helps put his posting style into perspective. I'm glad he's being more proactive after promping.
Care to explain?Not really, no.
It's not 1 from hammer.
Knightwing64.
Now it is.
Honestly, I think it’s Web and NQT.What do you think about the fact you and Jim haven't voted each other?
Look, Web: Chaos
NQT: Law
Both of them have never voted the other, and the worst argument they had this whole game is web tell them they have a shitty plan, which I guess was staged in order to make people think that they weren’t working together.
Honestly, I think it’s Web and NQT.
Look, Web: Chaos
NQT: Law
Both of them have never voted the other, and the worst argument they had this whole game is web tell them they have a shitty plan, which I guess was staged in order to make people think that they weren’t working together.
What do you think about the fact you and Jim haven't voted each other?
If you're town should we put faith in Jim?
1: NQTYou think Tric is scummier than Toony and less scummy than Jim? That's odd, I usually think of you and Euchre as reading Tric and Jim pretty well.
2: Jim
3: Tric
4: Toony
They probably have a revive, also I dunno what u mean by flippedAh, flip means what your alignment shows when you are executed. Think like a card being flipped over to reveal what it actually is, since it's a secret.
I….Are you willing to test it out?
Dunno
Ideally not, because I would much rather live then die and have a uncertain chance of revivalThat's a great answer, btw. It's probably at this point that you could've pointed out I'm walking you to the execution grounds, slowly and steadily, removing a lot of leeway for you. It'd go over a lot better than earlier, since now I can't say that that's not the case.
Oh look, my next segue!
Tric, please 🙏 just listen 🙏 to my words 🙏 for the love 🙏 of all things 🙏 Mafia.
Who is Mafia on the Chaos side?
NINJA
NQT, FUCK OFF AND KEEP VOTING KNIGHTWING PLEASE AND THANK YOU, IT AINT MAX BY A MILLION MILES
Oh look, my next segue!
Tric, please 🙏 just listen 🙏 to my words 🙏 for the love 🙏 of all things 🙏 Mafia.
Who is Mafia on the Chaos side?
NINJA
NQT, FUCK OFF AND KEEP VOTING KNIGHTWING PLEASE AND THANK YOU, IT AINT MAX BY A MILLION MILES
Sorry, as Max said, not voting based on Law/Chaos sides, just pressuring like I see it.
Right now my suspicions are Knightwing, NQT, and NJW.
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(How about roleclaiming? If you value your life more than dying then that could save you. Demons are also revealed on flip anyway right?
Tric believe meeee
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(You're going to need evidence. Or you can attempt to lynch me.
Tric believe meeee
Jim don't vote NQT
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(You're going to need evidence. Or you can attempt to lynch me.
Tric believe meeee
I mean, I could hammer Knightwing? But I'd like to keep discussion going. (Made this post before I read the others, so good plan there.)I think the implication here is that NJW is in the Chaos side with Knightwing, so it's odd you would vote NJW instead of NQT in that situation, especially if you're willing to hammer.
Pls don’t, I can’t really post rn but :(I mean, listen, even if anyone believes you, begging for people to believe you're Town to not vote you while a member of the Town is holding a revive that they'll very likely use on you is, well, less than believable? That's a big problem we have.
Tric believe meeee
Wow, way to give me false hopeGotta wield two swords. One in case you spewed Town, and one in case you didn't. This is just the latter.
Wow, way to give me false hopeYou want hope? Why do you say you're busy camping or whatever but are able to post quips while ignoring most of the important questions me and Web would like to hear answers for?
So should I go for the Yolo hammer Knightwing?It would be funny.
Sigh.. Kinda wish I was mafia right now since everything people accuse Knightwing of I'm also culpable for. Mostly. :PYou are, but it's your town meta. :P
Knightwing And good night with that bomb.
Oh. I have Mother Harlot. I’m basically a vigilante, I have a kill and a defense ability
Entering Twilight, you kinda set yourself up for that one given players have two demons. Revealing the name of one is grounds for Negotiations. And don't want Mafia to get the Kill ability, so.Yes, I thought that too. He made himself a mandatory kill since otherwise, if he is town, mafia would definitely get his demon. You (I mean, Knightwing) were supposed to roleclaim what it DOES, not what it's called!
The day has ended so we shouldn’t be discussing things, maaaaan.
Someone needs to re-read the OP methinks.
-Hammers are in effect. Once a majority vote is reached, the Day phase ends and the game will enter Twilight. You may continue to talk as long as the thread remains unlocked.
I don't feel good about this one, but we'll see how it turns out.Why? You're the Knightwing-o-meter. I will feel pretty dumb if he's town though since I don't think Knightwing has played very well.
If you wish, you may vote for No Elimination. A hammer will occur if at least 50% of the remaining living players vote for it. The Day will then end and continue onto the Night phase.
Oh. I have Mother Harlot. I’m basically a vigilante, I have a kill and a defense abilityThis probably doesn't matter, but any other demons? I started with two of mine. You should have a second?
The second half of this exactly. In every way he is matching his scumself, but his last few posts of the day don't read like outed scum to me. It wasn't enough to change my vote, but it's enough to make me feel like maybe he just did a bad job this time around.I don't feel good about this one, but we'll see how it turns out.Why? You're the Knightwing-o-meter. I will feel pretty dumb if he's town though since I don't think Knightwing has played very well.
I dunno. If Knightwing is scum, I gotta kill one of Toony's demons. If Knightwing is Town... Uh, I guess I gotta shoot NJW2000's demon instead?The second half of this exactly. In every way he is matching his scumself, but his last few posts of the day don't read like outed scum to me. It wasn't enough to change my vote, but it's enough to make me feel like maybe he just did a bad job this time around.I don't feel good about this one, but we'll see how it turns out.Why? You're the Knightwing-o-meter. I will feel pretty dumb if he's town though since I don't think Knightwing has played very well.
I think it was the only possible decision either way, but I'll be annoyed if he's town and just played badly. You're supposed to level your meta in the direction of getting BETTER, not worse.
I feel like town should take this time to coordinate on recruitment, especially if Knightwing will cooperate and fullclaim now.
I will likely be recruiting demons just to weaken them if the mafia decide to recruit. Perhaps we should just have the remaining chaos players recruit the first demon, and the law players recruit the second?No. Given that randomness is a strength to prevent the mafia from successfully negotiating.
As is NQT, one question to ask is is it worth it to revive Knightwing? You outed that ability way too early for my tastes.If Knightwing is town, we just about have to revive him. One of the most important consequences is tying up a hypothetical scum NQT's action.
Vote Count
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Knightwing64: 5 (HAMMER!); hector13, webadict, notquitethere, Maximum Spin, TricMagic
notquitethere: 1; ToonyMan
NJW2000: 1; Knightwing64
Maximum Spin: 1; NJW2000
webadict: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 1 - Jim Groovester
5 to Hammer. Day ends on July 27, 2022 at 13:00 Pacific Time (~34 hours remaining).
Welcome, Knightwing64! You are a follower of the Neutral alignment, and thus a member of the Mafia. You will falsely represent yourself as the Chaos alignment. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:
Mother Harlot
Repel (2-Shot; Passive) - While Mother Harlot is in your party, all attacks that would hit you, including player kills, will instead reflect back onto the attacker.
Trisagion (1-Shot) - Can be used in place of the factional kill. A Fire element attack that kills the player and all of their demons. Cannot fail, be blocked, reflected, redirected, or protected against.
Baal
Tentarafoo (1-Shot) - Can be used in place of the factional kill. Inflicts Confusion on the target. The target will be Roleblocked and perform the factional night kill for you. However, they will target a random town member, and you will be unable to perform Negotiation and recruit the victim's demons.
Welcome, NJW2000! You are a follower of the Chaos alignment, and thus a member of the Town. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:
Agathion
Sukukaja (2-Shot) - Raises the target's evasion that night. All abilities and actions that target the player will fail that night.
Alilat
Status Immunity (Passive) - While Alilat is in your party, you will be immune to status ailments.
Tetrakarn (1-Shot )- If your target or one of their demons would die that night due to being targeted by an attack, the attack will be reflected onto the attacker instead.
Vote Count
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webadict: 0
Jim Groovester: 0
Toonyman: 0
TricMagic: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 7 - webadict, Jim Groovester, ToonyMan, TricMagic, notquitethere, Maximum Spin, hector13
4 to Hammer. Day ends on July 30, 2022 at 15:00 Pacific Time (~72 hours remaining).
It is currently Day 2.
Jim Groovester visited NJW in the night.
Metatron
I Metatronned Jim last night and he must have had some kind of protection because nothing happened.
I cast Dia on Jim.
So we know NQT and Tric acted on Jim, and I have claimed Jim acted on NJW, who was killed in the night.I targeted ToonyMan.
Would Toony and Max like to claim their actions?
I also have an Endure one-shot passive the prevents the death of any of my demons, but only once.Hahaha, thanks for making this easy.
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My Endure was used.
That seems a bit on the nose as an ability.It's exactly what it does, but it's actually two abilities working together to create this effect.
Vote Count
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Jim Groovester: 3; webadict, TricMagic, Toonyman
Toonyman: 1; Jim Groovester
webadict: 0
TricMagic: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 5 - notquitethere, Maximum Spin, hector13
4 to Hammer. Day ends on July 30, 2022 at 15:00 Pacific Time (~69 hours remaining).
It is currently Day 2.
Multitasking
Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8394389#msg8394389) is also voting for Jim Groovester.My bad, missed it since I was scanning down the left side of my screen.
It’s a sensible thing for players to make a new line or vote at the start of a post, aye.Tric (http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=180078.msg8394389#msg8394389) is also voting for Jim Groovester.My bad, missed it since I was scanning down the left side of my screen.
Vote Count
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Jim Groovester: 4 (HAMMER!); webadict, TricMagic, Toonyman, hector13
Toonyman: 1; Jim Groovester
webadict: 0
TricMagic: 0
notquitethere: 0
Maximum Spin: 0
hector13: 0
No Elimination:
Not Voting - 5 - notquitethere, Maximum Spin
Welcome, Jim Groovester! You are a follower of the Neutral alignment, and thus a member of the Mafia. You will falsely represent yourself as the Law alignment. You have your voice and your vote. In addition, you have the following demons in your party, as well as their abilities:
Mokoi
Dustoma (1-Shot) - Inflicts Mirage on the target. The target's action will fail if they target another player.
Trafuri (1-Shot) - Allows you to escape from conflict upon use. If you are targeted by a harmful or negative action, it will fail.
Saki Mitama
Grand Harvest (Passive) - While Saki Mitama is in your party, recruited demons will never be diminished. If you perform Negotiation, you may sacrifice Saki Mitama to guarantee a successful recruitment.
There was a lot of fun stuff in everyone's roles that unfortunately didn't get to play out. Toony's Sexy Dance would've been chaotic, and Tric's Abdiel transformation would've functioned as a boss fight that would cause everyone to lose a demon every night.Would need me to get Lynched for that. And you gave me Miller for whatever reason. :D
Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.Well, well, well... Looks like I was right after all!
This game was a bit imbalanced by the fact hitting one mafia day 1 meant the entire group was cleared.I put in some red herrings to imply that alignment Millers could exist so that no one could be considered clear, unfortunately that didn't really play out.
Question, would Law have won if they outnumbered Chaos by the end of the mafia. :)There was a lot of fun stuff in everyone's roles that unfortunately didn't get to play out. Toony's Sexy Dance would've been chaotic, and Tric's Abdiel transformation would've functioned as a boss fight that would cause everyone to lose a demon every night.Would need me to get Lynched for that. And you gave me Miller for whatever reason. :D
Not sure how you do that but for the record I wouldn't have believed you if not for some accidental spoiling.Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.Well, well, well... Looks like I was right after all!
That was a difficult setup.If I ever ran it again, I think the setup works out better with no publicly known alignments. I wanted it to help balance against Negotiation giving scum more power but a Day 1 elim also crushes that.
I think guaranteeing that there is one scum in a subset of players and another scum in another subset of players drastically reduces the number of potential teams up for consideration and would have made for a difficult time at all stages of the game regardless of how well we played. Without that, I think our odds of victory are still pretty iffy but I think we make it to lylo at least.
The setup's probably fine except for the town getting a huge amount of free information at game start.
It didn’t help that KW made no effort and gave up early doors, which made it very easy to eliminate him.Knightwing is just new to being scum. He was doing GREAT after he had been functionally caught. If he had pulled that out earlier, NQT probably would've been executed, and then who knows how the game would've gone.
It's true. I didn't want to hammer Knightwing at the end because it would have been really bad if he was town and I wasn't 100% sure.It didn’t help that KW made no effort and gave up early doors, which made it very easy to eliminate him.Knightwing is just new to being scum. He was doing GREAT after he had been functionally caught. If he had pulled that out earlier, NQT probably would've been executed, and then who knows how the game would've gone.
Jim + Knightwing for me, thanks.Well, well, well... Looks like I was right after all!
It's true. I didn't want to hammer Knightwing at the end because it would have been really bad if he was town and I wasn't 100% sure.It didn’t help that KW made no effort and gave up early doors, which made it very easy to eliminate him.Knightwing is just new to being scum. He was doing GREAT after he had been functionally caught. If he had pulled that out earlier, NQT probably would've been executed, and then who knows how the game would've gone.
Friendly reminder that TricMagic has once again protected a mafia member from me targeting them.I feel like TricMagic does these things ON PURPOSE. Like, there's no way, right?