Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 27, 2013, 08:42:40 pm
Map: Peliwyr (127+18) (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/peliwyr-12718-wraparound)
Mods: None
Era: LA
Disciples: No
Time allowance: 56h
Special site frequency: 35 (default)
Random event frequency: Common
Score graphs: On
Hall of Fame: 15
Artifact forging limit y/n?: Limited
Thrones:
12/4/2, 14/26
Renaming: Yes
Gamepage on llamaserver (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound402)
PLAYERS:
Delta Foxtrot - LA Jomon
USEC_OFFICER - LA Caelum
-Subbed by gman8181 on turn 74
Boksi - LA Patala
Karlito - LA Mictlan
Culise - LA Pangaea
Hugehead - LA Man
lijacote - LA Bogarus
Margrave - LA Abysia
Bluerobin - LA Midgård
tompliss - LA Pythium
Spoiler: Pretender titles (click to show/hide)
The Ascendant, the victorious god in the spoiler:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Graphs of the Finished Game:
Spoiler: Province Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Fort Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Income Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Gem Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Research Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Dominion Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Army Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Previous rounds (Dom3 & 4) (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Standard info on Dominions 4 for the uninitiated (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: How does PBEM work? (click to show/hide)
Useful links:
Dom4 forums on Desura (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum)
Link to Edi's Dom4 Database (http://www.llamaserver.net/edi/dom4/dom4_db/dom4_db_403.zip)
An archived snapshot of the Dom3 wiki (http://web.archive.org/web/20130118162532/http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Main_Page): Yes, it's still relevant, and it hasn't been replaced yet, so... It has loads of useful information, including strategy guides. Keep in mind that while a lot of this information is still very useful and valid, a lot of it is entirely out-of-date.
Llama Server (http://llamaserver.net/): the automatic hosting server for our game.
Llama Server's map and mod browser (http://www.llamaserver.net/createDom4Game.cgi) (Yes, it's not really a browser, but you can browse the maps and mods here)
Mostly* stolen from E. Albright who stole it from Akhier the Dragon hearted who stole it from ScriptWolf who stole if from Il Palazzo :P ( with his say so ), and scantly updated for Dom4 by the
*added a bit about staling/AI-iness to how-PBEM-works.
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So. I've got a feeling that we've got enough players to get a third game rolling even if it won't be quite a dozen players strong.
Settings are negotiable, my preferences are up in the OP. I'd prefer no disciples but I'm willing to budge if we get six players minimum (2v2v2).
I'm currently leaning towards LA
Post by: Karlito on December 27, 2013, 09:24:35 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 27, 2013, 09:43:24 pm
Well, you know what you can manage.
EDIT:
Number of players pending, I'd be interested in trying out one of Pymous' maps. Because ohgodsopretty:
Atha Avin (81+10) (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/atha-avin-929-wraparound)
Biddyn (84+9) (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/biddyn-849-wraparound)
Peliwyr (127+18) (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/peliwyr-12718-wraparound)
All are full wraparound.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 27, 2013, 09:55:58 pm
I'm up for a round of Dominions. I know enough to get to the middle game, and that's about it. Still, you can't learn if you don't play, eh?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 27, 2013, 10:12:25 pm
I might pick LA Patala, if people want to swing with Late Age.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 27, 2013, 10:13:59 pm
Post by: Boksi on December 28, 2013, 03:11:20 pm
But seriously, I have been wanting to try a Dom4 MP game, and I kind of want to try Patala again, seeing as it was my nation in my first Dom3 MP game~
I can probably play something else as well though. I did well with Abysia if I remember correctly. In any case, I'd like to sign up. LA sounds fine to me.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2013, 04:22:26 am
You can have Patala. I just wanted it because it kinda sorta looks neat, like half the nations in LA. Nothing special innit for me.
Post by: Karlito on December 29, 2013, 07:50:34 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2013, 12:45:21 pm
Now to learn how to expand with those expensive buggers.
Post by: Boksi on December 29, 2013, 01:08:01 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2013, 01:19:20 pm
So, two nations with cap-only amphibious sacreds, one nation that really wants to get underwater, and Caelum. Looks like we'll want a map with plentiful seas. But I guess we'll decide that after signups close.
I figured we'll wait at least until new year. If we're at 4 players at that point I'd be willing to extend sign-ups for another week. Not that 4 players wouldn't get us a tense game.
Whether or not we extend sign-ups past 1st is in the jagged jaws of democracy.
Feel free to toss up some good maps for 4-7 players. I'd prefer 10-15 (land) provinces per player, but can go 15-20 if some good ones are recommended.
I'm still leaning towards those almost waterless maps I linked to.
Post by: Culise on December 29, 2013, 03:43:24 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2013, 04:11:25 pm
Basic expansion against independents and some scripting gets you far and that doesn't take long. If you're unsure you can take an SC pretender to help with early expansion.
I've read somewhere that (average) 1 province per turn is a good starting point for first year. In my current game at 401 I botched that up with some silly scripting mistakes on my part. Lost most of my army. 25 turns into the game and at worst I'm the fourth player to be killed. At worst. The game is far from over for me and I was at <10 provinces at the end of year 1.
There's plenty of things I did wrong, both in-game and meta. Now I know a wee bit better. I plan to learn more with this round.
The most important thing is to doodle a bit. Pick a nation, play some games of the first ~10-20 turns. Vary your pretender design, vary your expansion army compositions. See what works, what doesn't. SP won't teach you what's good midgame versus humans so I'll leave that to online games.
And don't fret about pretender design. I'm not wholly satisfied with my 4.01 pretender, I could have done her a lot better but she's done what I wanted her to. Not as effectively and some things are out of her reach due to bad design on my part. Live and learn.
Post by: Karlito on December 29, 2013, 04:32:04 pm
I figured we'll wait at least until new year.
It'd be convenient for me if we don't actually start playing until the 4th or 5th.
Post by: Culise on December 29, 2013, 04:44:01 pm
There's plenty of new people here (me, USEC_OFFICER, and I messaged one other). You can't learn unless you play, right?Yeah, I've played only singleplayer for a while (since Dom2, though that was only a little bit; most of my game experience is with 3 and 4). I'm just really, really bad at it; I've maybe beat the AI a handful of times, and that only on normal (without the extra cheat bonuses the AI gets). Still, I look forward to playing with everyone; if nothing else, it'll be a learning experience to see how other players handle the game, and maybe improve my own skills from observation. ^_^
Basic expansion against independents and some scripting gets you far and that doesn't take long. If you're unsure you can take an SC pretender to help with early expansion.
I've read somewhere that (average) 1 province per turn is a good starting point for first year. In my current game at 401 I botched that up with some silly scripting mistakes on my part. Lost most of my army. 25 turns into the game and at worst I'm the fourth player to be killed. At worst. The game is far from over for me and I was at <10 provinces at the end of year 1.
There's plenty of things I did wrong, both in-game and meta. Now I know a wee bit better. I plan to learn more with this round.
The most important thing is to doodle a bit. Pick a nation, play some games of the first ~10-20 turns. Vary your pretender design, vary your expansion army compositions. See what works, what doesn't. SP won't teach you what's good midgame versus humans so I'll leave that to online games.
And don't fret about pretender design. I'm not wholly satisfied with my 4.01 pretender, I could have done her a lot better but she's done what I wanted her to. Not as effectively and some things are out of her reach due to bad design on my part. Live and learn.
Post by: Hugehead on December 29, 2013, 04:52:07 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2013, 04:52:47 pm
1)Make thread
2)Waffle for three weeks
3)Maybe start game
4)Gay old time
So the tentative plan is for me to create the game on llamaserver saturday 4th so that people can submit their pretenders. Hopefully all get their pretenders in on sunday so we can start this by monday 6th. Last minute delaying wafflings allowed.
This would mean no more sign-ups after friday 3th. I think we'll have decent enough showing by then.
In the meantime, I'll be divying up my time between learning how to Jomon and looking for some 5-7 player maps, preferably with some water. If anyone has any suggestions, be they default or custom maps, I'm all ears. I'm looking for about 90+ land provinces and some water, give or take.
fakeedit:
Culise, then that's more than I've played, barring round 4:01 here. I only got on board with Dom4 and I mostly play early game (years 1-3 in-game) to learn how to get a nation going. I figure any more and it won't prepare me for human opponents, so why bother.
If I want dominion-esque singleplayer, I play either Conquest of Elysium or Master of Magic.
realedit:
Biddyn (84+9) (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/biddyn-849-wraparound) would give us 14 land provinces per player and a few puddles for Jomon/Mictlan/Patala to scuffle over. Picture in spoiler:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Any comments? I'd particularly want to hear about Boksi (and Karlito) regarding the water provinces.
Post by: Karlito on December 29, 2013, 06:08:37 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2013, 06:41:08 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 29, 2013, 07:54:26 pm
Good news everyone! I'm pretty sure it's still possible to build up a mountain of Blood slaves and drown the world in a Rain of hyper-blessed jaguar warriors in Dominions 4.
Post by: lijacote on December 29, 2013, 08:21:33 pm
For anyone not familiar with me, this would be my... fourth game of multiplayer, so not really a seasoned veteran.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2013, 09:54:44 pm
Welcome aboard, I'll peg you as Agartha for now.
The current map of choice (liable to change as dissenters voice out) has 4 cave provinces. It's not Valanis but it's something. Are Agarthans guaranteed to start with caves? I don't play them much in SP but when I do they always start in one.
edit: I edited some of the game settings. They're still quite negotiable. Thrones in particular caused some disagreements for round 401 pre-game. I put my preferred ratios up there but, again, jagged jaws of democracy and all that.
Post by: Culise on December 29, 2013, 10:34:12 pm
And since we have LA Man, I'll go with LA Pangaea. It should be quite fun. ^_^
Post by: E. Albright on December 29, 2013, 11:01:38 pm
I'll have to take a look at the map. If it has proper caves, I'd very much like to try out Agartha.
Whether or not it has "proper" caves is debatable. It's got four non-contiguous cave provinces out of 84+9 provinces. However, of Argatha's three eras, Ktonian Dead is the least tied to the underground; they've got no explicitly subterranean spells or recruitment.
Post by: Margrave on December 29, 2013, 11:02:11 pm
Good news everyone! I'm pretty sure it's still possible to build up a mountain of Blood slaves and drown the world in a Rain of hyper-blessed jaguar warriors in Dominions 4.
Boy I wish I had known that didn't work MA Mictlan. I may not have made the nation but I'm stuck with it now. And we all know how that's going to turn out soon...
So what better time to sign up. If you're still looking for players, I'd like to pick Marignon.
Post by: E. Albright on December 29, 2013, 11:06:43 pm
Are Agarthans guaranteed to start with caves? I don't play them much in SP but when I do they always start in one.
Not guaranteed per se, but it's their preferred terrain, so all other things being equal the nation placement routine will place them in a cave if possible.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 30, 2013, 06:32:31 am
So what better time to sign up. If you're still looking for players, I'd like to pick Marignon.
I'll peg you in.
Unfortunately that puts us at 10,5 land provinces per player. 11,6 for land+water. Playable, but quite small. I'll be looking for something a bit bigger on the assumption that most people prefer 15/player to 10/player.
Peliwyr (127+18) (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/peliwyr-12718-wraparound) - same style as Biddyn
15 land provinces per player. 18 for land+water. Medium-big, workable map. I'll check its cave content after posting. Water amount and distribution should sate Boksi.
edit:
@lijacote:
There's five caves, three are connected to each other. Should be enough for a not really cave dependant nation I think.
Post by: Margrave on December 30, 2013, 10:22:48 pm
And Peliwyr looks just fine.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 31, 2013, 06:56:55 am
I increased the number of thrones to 1 per 10 provinces. 0/14/0. 10 thrones wins the game.
Culise suggested a more balanced number of different level thrones so I came up with is 8/4/2. x/22p needed to win. If we're going that route I'd probably go with either 16/22 or 14/22 needed to win.
Post by: Culise on December 31, 2013, 08:11:01 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 31, 2013, 09:45:34 pm
I just realized something. Out of curiosity, how do we create more than 10 level 2 thrones? I thought the maximum was 20/10/5.
I just sort of assumed that you can put as many thrones as you want.
So I just checked it and in-game the max is ten lvl2 thrones.
After that I checked llamaserver's game creation tool and it enables a max of 20/15/5.
So 0/14/0 is possible, at least for PBEM.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 02, 2014, 11:12:44 am
Edit: Looks like I'll likely be Midgård.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 02, 2014, 02:09:27 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 02, 2014, 02:44:22 pm
Anyway, can we talk about thrones? I'm not convinced that a bunch of level 2s is the way to go. I happen to quite like many of the level 1 thrones, and would probably enjoy something closer to a 12/4/2 distribution, or something like that.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 02, 2014, 04:19:18 pm
They're still quite negotiable. Thrones in particular caused some disagreements for round 401 pre-game.
Talk is what I've been trying to provoke out of you.
I'd gladly play with 12/4/2 (or somesuch) throne amount. What would be a good point value for victory? 16/26? 18/26? 20/26?
12/4/2 thrones and 18/26 points for victory sounds good to me. Discuss.
Post by: Culise on January 02, 2014, 04:57:36 pm
Post by: lijacote on January 03, 2014, 12:11:11 pm
The above statement should be seen as a only slightly informed opinion, not fact.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 03, 2014, 03:02:38 pm
@lijacote:
Well it's not unheard of to end the game when the remaining players feel it's done, rather than slugging through to the defined end state ie. victory screen. But it's a fair point, I give you that.
I feel that low % requirement for victory fits better with blitzes/high-level play, while higher % works well for new to intermediate play. And since Il Palazzo isn't here... :P
I guess I just don't want this game to end "short". And at this point very few people have good experience on what constitutes good throne settings so it's not like we can really make any obviously wrong choices here. That said if democracy feels that 14/26 is the way to go, then by all means. It could be fun that way too.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 03, 2014, 03:07:22 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 03, 2014, 03:57:55 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 03, 2014, 03:58:16 pm
Would it be possible to add another player ?
I never played multiplayer Dominion and am clearly a bad player, but i'd love to try a "real" game (meaning not against bots) !
I'll go check the PBEM stuff and choose a race as early as possible and will have a pretender ready for tomorrow night ;)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 03, 2014, 04:00:43 pm
Then again I also haven't played multiplayer Dom4, so I don't know how possible it would be to blitz the thrones and win that way if we set the win conditions too low.
This is pretty much my reason for not saying anything. It's hard to talk about throne distribution when you've played no multiplayer games! That being said, 16/26 sounds like a good victory condition to me. A fastish game is fine since it means that we can start up another game sooner and fix all of our stupid mistakes!
Post by: Bluerobin on January 03, 2014, 04:06:40 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 03, 2014, 04:33:48 pm
re Thrones:
You guys raise a good point. With tompliss in, the newbie to vet ratio got even higher. Based on my first still on-going game I can tell everyone will make some mistakes. The faster this game is over the faster you get to apply what you've learned to another one.
So something in the range of 14-16/26 is where the currents winds blow.
Post by: Culise on January 03, 2014, 04:41:15 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 03, 2014, 04:52:22 pm
I guess I could go with Girly Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKcevMFUCo), but I'm not too hot on that name.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 03, 2014, 05:07:12 pm
I finished mine yesterday, name's Eastern Enigma. Gonna keep it a secret. I guess some fair guesses can be made once the titles get published though.
Post by: tompliss on January 03, 2014, 07:38:04 pm
I am going for Pythium, by the way ;)
Post by: Karlito on January 03, 2014, 07:57:38 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 03, 2014, 08:01:06 pm
Alas you people won't face the glory that is freespawn Jomon.
Post by: Boksi on January 03, 2014, 08:12:14 pm
Anyway, are we going with the default site frequency? Just asking 'cause I'm a sucker for lots of sites, and the limit did get bumped up to 8 per province in Dom4.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 03, 2014, 09:03:13 pm
No Statue of War, huh? Personally I'd go with the Dragon King either awake or dormant as a decent SC who can expand underwater, but I'm not an expert on Jomon so I don't know if that's what's best for them.
Thankfully, neither am I.
I really prefer to use default site frequencies, which with late age means 35. There's always EA/MA games for when your mage tooth is itching.
Post by: E. Albright on January 03, 2014, 11:52:02 pm
Anyway, are we going with the default site frequency? Just asking 'cause I'm a sucker for lots of sites, and the limit did get bumped up to 8 per province in Dom4.
With the watering-down of gem and blood income that came with structural and distributional changes between Dom3 and Dom4, a small bump-up is not necessarily unwarranted, especially since you have a Blood nation and a couple of summon-oriented ones in your lineup. However, as you're LA and have lots of inexperienced players, leaving it at the default is arguably going to give a purer Dom4 experience. In my meddlesome outsider opinion, if you do bump it up, I wouldn't go higher than 40.
Post by: lijacote on January 04, 2014, 12:19:26 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 04, 2014, 12:27:24 am
I was close to picking them myself but I figured that playing two -rus nations at once might be overkill. Also they're big on magic. My idea of magic is Evoc4->blow stuff up. I have a feeling that Bogarus could use more finesse than that.
Post by: lijacote on January 04, 2014, 12:31:30 am
By all means.
I was close to picking them myself but I figured that playing two -rus nations at once might be overkill. Also they're big on magic. My idea of magic is Evoc4->blow stuff up. I have a feeling that Bogarus could use more finesse than that.
I can pretend I have finesse. I am very good at pretending (that I am good at pretending that I am good at pretending that I am good at pretending . . .)
Communion play and the tiny bit of blood magic sort of intimidates me, even though I prepared for a megagame as LA Ulm by checking how that works and what is good, and the diversity looks like there's a ton of potential for pretty much anything, given the research.
You have a point in two -ruses being something. You've thrown me off, now!
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 04, 2014, 04:14:17 am
I assume we're going with 14/26.
Post by: Boksi on January 04, 2014, 01:13:19 pm
I vote we kill Bogarus first, before he gets a chance to use any of it :P
But yeah, it has lots of strengths if it survives long enough to leverage them. And its soldiers are pretty good, so it's pretty feasible that it'll survive. You need communions for that battlemagic, though.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 04, 2014, 01:36:38 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 04, 2014, 03:02:05 pm
I forgot to DL the map before building my pretender. It won't change anything for it, and I don't have to remake it, right ?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 04, 2014, 03:11:01 pm
Check the "how to PBEM" from the OP for instructions if anything's unclear. There's also a link to the llamaserver gamepage for this round. You can check it for due times on turn submissions and whatnot.
edit:
make sure you've downloaded the map we're using (Peliwyr 1.1). Link's in the OP. If you don't know where your map folder is, check dom4 manual for your OS specific file location.
Post by: Culise on January 04, 2014, 03:54:58 pm
Post by: Hugehead on January 04, 2014, 05:29:29 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 04, 2014, 10:07:27 pm
Hopefully there'll be some amusingly-named pretenders in this game.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 04, 2014, 10:21:55 pm
Hopefully there'll be some amusingly-named pretenders in this game.
Unfortunately my knowledge of bird-based puns is currently limited, so my Pretender's name is only mildly interesting. Sorry about that. I'll try to do better in the future.
Post by: Karlito on January 04, 2014, 10:28:43 pm
Hopefully there'll be some amusingly-named pretenders in this game.
After all, the best named God is the real winner in the end.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 04, 2014, 10:30:37 pm
+1Hopefully there'll be some amusingly-named pretenders in this game.
After all, the best named God is the real winner in the end.
Also, this is why I never win. Oh well!
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 05, 2014, 06:09:05 am
I forgot to DL the map before building my pretender. It won't change anything for it, and I don't have to remake it, right ?
It's fine. You just need the map to actually play once the game proper starts. You could delete your entire map folder and you can still make working pretenders to your hearts content.
Also a piece of good to know info: llamaserver processes the turns in about five minutes once it has all of them. If you're the last guy to send in a turn file and can wait for that long, you can play the next turn right away. Helps keep the game flowing.
Also since there's so many never-before-PBEM folks here: two big no-no's are unannounced staling and going AI without others acknowledgement. Life happens so no-ones pitchforking you for missing a turn or anything, but it's preferrable to ask for an extension if possible rather than to miss a turn. If the pace gets too overhwelming, we can set the turn timer up from the 28h we start with.
There are situations where going AI is ok, but it's usually a one way trip so it's better to discuss it with the admin/people in the game beforehand.
Post by: lijacote on January 05, 2014, 06:29:09 am
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Also since there's so many never-before-PBEM folks here: two big no-no's are unannounced staling and going AI without others acknowledgement. Life happens so no-ones pitchforking you for missing a turn or anything, but it's preferrable to ask for an extension if possible rather than to miss a turn. If the pace gets too overhwelming, we can set the turn timer up from the 28h we start with.
There are situations where going AI is ok, but it's usually a one way trip so it's better to discuss it with the admin/people in the game beforehand.
Quoted and bolded for emphasis. Please do follow these.
Post by: lijacote on January 05, 2014, 08:50:21 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 05, 2014, 09:34:16 am
I figure we might as well play while I'm waiting for his response. If he can fix it, yay! If he can't, we can always start a new game and only lose a few days hopefully.
Sorry about any possible issues this causes in the next few days.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 05, 2014, 10:05:50 am
Post by: Boksi on January 05, 2014, 10:22:37 am
My first turn (and a very silly message for everyone) has been sent!Is that so~?
Now that I've gotten a look at everyone's pretender names and titles, I can say I chuckled at the Eastern Enigma's last title, Cherry Coke is a foul beverage and what sort of weird freaking title is 'Carpenter of the Insides', Man's Man is a clever sort of name and I have no idea what the hell is up with my own titles.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 05, 2014, 10:26:20 am
My first turn (and a very silly message for everyone) has been sent!Is that so~?
Yes. CAW CAW I believe it's traditional that everybody sends out silly messages on the first turn though.
Post by: Karlito on January 05, 2014, 10:31:51 am
Cherry Coke is a foul beverage
Hey, we use only 100% natural virgin's blood in our brewing process!
Post by: tompliss on January 05, 2014, 10:53:39 am
now, I'm trying to guess what are the pretenders from their titles... Because mines are the simplest :I
5 players left to finish the turn
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 05, 2014, 10:59:16 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'd say it suits me to be the enemy of "both" if I'm He who Is at the Center. Which is true since this is wraparound. Oh my, surrounded by you all. And below are my comments based on everyone's titles, poorly drawn out guesses ahoy!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: lijacote on January 05, 2014, 11:22:21 am
Bogarus: So heavy blood and luck scales? It'd be fun if everyone's not O3. Also you're compassionate yet unforgiving? I guess it fits Bogarus to be all over the place.
While the Central Committee recognises that the enemies of the Revolution are not so because of simple malice or hatred, that their position is that of ignorance, the Revolution is imperative. We are not without sorrow as we deliver death. Injustice is relatively easy to bear, what stings is justice!
Post by: tompliss on January 05, 2014, 11:23:00 am
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Abysia worships the pretender Rzionr Nrzfm, Lord of Men's Fates, Master of Might, Master of the Soil, Patron of SmithsCouldn't the last title refer to the Neter of Crafts ?
And I love Midgård's "August Master" :)
1 player left to finish the turn ! :D
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 05, 2014, 01:01:31 pm
Quote from: llamabeast
It seems that the server somehow got itself in a twist over your password. It shouldn't have accepted a password with a space in it, but it seems that maybe it did. Anyway it's fixed now, and the admin password is just "password".
for theQuoteAbysia worships the pretender Rzionr Nrzfm, Lord of Men's Fates, Master of Might, Master of the Soil, Patron of SmithsCouldn't the last title refer to the Neter of Crafts ?
And I love Midgård's "August Master" :)
1 player left to finish the turn ! :D
I'm under the impression that only the gender of your pretender affects the titles. ie. (s)he who is at the center etc.. Presumably the rest come from you paths and scales. I'd really like if someone smarter than me can tell whether this is true or not. But yeah, Midgård definitely has the coolest titles, followed by Patala.
Due to nature of the game Culise might very well be at work or a sleep. Maybe even in the middle of doing one after the other. That's the good and bad thing about PBEM, not everyone's at it at the same time.
Post by: Boksi on January 05, 2014, 01:11:19 pm
Post by: Culise on January 05, 2014, 03:08:11 pm
For posterity and convinience, here's everyone's titles:Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'd say it suits me to be the enemy of "both" if I'm He who Is at the Center. Which is true since this is wraparound. Oh my, surrounded by you all. And below are my comments based on everyone's titles, poorly drawn out guesses ahoy!Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Tee hee. Pangaea's only LA sacreds are also capital-only and some of the most expensive in the LA. It's not going to be nearly as scary as Jaguar Warrior spam. ^_^
EDIT: And sent. And processed. ^_^
Let's see, from glancing over the charts...
1. Provinces: No one made a blind assault. Odds of an awake SC pretender are probably a little lower, I think, then.
2. Incomes: Bogarus and Midgard are definitely scale-heavy and income-focused. Abyssia and Caelum are also rather high; Man and Pangaea comparable; and the rest probably focused on bless paths.
3. Research: Patala and Man take an early lead, strongly suggesting awake pretenders.
Post by: tompliss on January 05, 2014, 03:30:06 pm
[EDIT] Well, I knew I would receive the mail when writing this ...
Post by: Culise on January 05, 2014, 03:31:44 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 05, 2014, 04:04:17 pm
For all I know they might very well fizzle by midgame. But they don't need numbers to eat most indies early on.
Man might still have an awake Tiwaz, I wouldn't throw him blindly at anything.
With our skill level it will be interesting to see turn#3 charts for province and army count.
There's nothing overtly tough around me this time around but boasting anything at this point only invites misfortune.
Thrones seemed generally alright, only one death and few misfortune scales amidst them all.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 05, 2014, 04:26:21 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 05, 2014, 05:05:46 pm
Btw, if Karlito or someone wants to be a backup/co-admin I could send you the password. Just in case I get hit by a car or my extended circle of acquaintances all lose their internet connection.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 05, 2014, 05:21:21 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 05, 2014, 05:46:11 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 05, 2014, 05:49:16 pm
Or were going to fly him to my Capital to stealth preach.
I don't even know where you Capital is. What would be the point? Besides CAW CAW
Post by: Karlito on January 05, 2014, 06:03:27 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 06, 2014, 04:07:01 am
If I send another .2h file to the llamaserver, does it replace the old one ?
I though about something I should do after submitting my turn (and won't be able to do for 11 hours, because of work)... :/
Post by: E. Albright on January 06, 2014, 04:10:38 am
Post by: tompliss on January 06, 2014, 04:42:40 am
I'll just have to bet either Boksi or Hugehead doesn't submit their turn for another 10 hours...
Or simply wait the next turn ^^
Post by: Il Palazzo on January 06, 2014, 08:30:07 am
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=133320.0
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound401
Post by: tompliss on January 06, 2014, 02:16:07 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 06, 2014, 02:22:31 pm
On a tangent, look at the Dominion chart. I've got the biggest gain, and it's pretty obvious I've got an awake pretender with high dominion. Whatever could I be doing? Anyway, what's puzzling me is that three nations start out lower than the rest. I don't recall that happening in Dom3.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 06, 2014, 02:24:14 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 06, 2014, 02:29:41 pm
I just re-sent my .2h file, so it should be OK if you send your in 5 minutes or so ;)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 06, 2014, 02:29:57 pm
edit:
Llamaserver apparently has (had?) some issues today so don't be surprised if the turn doesn't get processed right away.
Post by: Boksi on January 06, 2014, 02:32:32 pm
During some of my games my dominion has started at 1, and slowly crept up to what my base dom value is. I think this has only happened with dormant/imprisoned pretenders, if it matters. Could it be that?That could be it. Only two people seem to have awake pretenders(barring a pathless wyrm or something), but only three people started low. Maybe it only happens with imprisoned pretenders?
Post by: tompliss on January 06, 2014, 02:40:08 pm
[EDIT] received the turn confirmation E-mail, go on, Boksi ;)
Post by: Culise on January 06, 2014, 02:42:16 pm
I could answer that, but then, I would have answered that ... :II think you just answered it by saying you would answer it by saying you could answer it. ^_^
Post by: Bluerobin on January 06, 2014, 03:02:53 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 06, 2014, 06:50:44 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 06, 2014, 06:51:54 pm
I've started a few test games with two candles (one in a neighboring province even). Maybe everyone gets a temple check on turn 0 or something.
Should be easy to test. Start out a game with 1 dominion and see how many candles you get.
Post by: Culise on January 06, 2014, 06:58:42 pm
And Pythium seems to have been hit by a bad random event, as their income tanks. That's really unfortunate, this early in the game...
Post by: Boksi on January 06, 2014, 07:07:27 pm
Other than that, everything's fine. I no longer have the lowest income, which is nice. Rumia has nine kills to her name now and is completely unafraid of crossbows.
Post by: Karlito on January 06, 2014, 07:25:29 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 06, 2014, 07:46:40 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 06, 2014, 07:47:09 pm
Wow, it sure is great that monkey repellers are available wholesale (http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/1371056802/Electronic_Monkey_Repeller_GH_192.html?s=p).That's an actual thing that exists? I had no idea.
Post by: tompliss on January 07, 2014, 01:18:53 am
And Pythium seems to have been hit by a bad random event, as their income tanks. That's really unfortunate, this early in the game..."really unfortunate" indeed. Well, that won't help my slow beginning... :(
At least, I have a unit to counter that unrest.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 07, 2014, 02:52:20 pm
So update your game to 4.04 and then play turn 4, I'll postpone hosting if necessary on account of desura.
Quote from: Dev Team
they [desura] have had version 4.04 for about 3 days now and it's still waiting for approval. Anyway it should be available for Desura users any day now, it usually doesn't take more than a few days to get approved.
Post by: lijacote on January 07, 2014, 04:51:24 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 07, 2014, 06:00:33 pm
And I got another bad event.
I should have gone for a Fortune Teller with 3 in luck pretenter...
I am proud to announce you I have yet to get my initial income back, and that midgard has 165% of my current income... :I
Post by: Bluerobin on January 07, 2014, 06:04:49 pm
I feel bad for doing well. Also, I haven't seen the turn yet, but you got me to look at the game page on llamaserver to check my income. That was... more than expected.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 07, 2014, 06:09:57 pm
Registered my desura key on steam too, and submitted my turn.
And I got another bad event.
I should have gone for a Fortune Teller with 3 in luck pretenter...
I am proud to announce you I have yet to get my initial income back, and that midgard has 165% of my current income... :I
How much misfortune did you take? Sounds nasty. Don't worry about comparing yourself to Midgard, that's just crazy scales build that he's using.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 07, 2014, 06:13:39 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 07, 2014, 06:25:30 pm
How much misfortune did you take? Sounds nasty.Unrest +30, Misfortune +3.
I did reduce the unrest, but the misfortune gave me a "Income -10" the next turn.
Now, I'm preaching, hoping it will reduce the misfortune...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 07, 2014, 06:33:23 pm
But yeah, I've gotten that misfortune-3 event a few times in SP and it often cascades into someting relatively nasty before going away. It's particularly aggravating it you get it despite taking positive luck scales.
Just don't forget to expand while cleaning out your capital. Get some of that famous heavy infantry and bulldoze those indies.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 07, 2014, 06:39:20 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 07, 2014, 07:40:26 pm
Also, I'm not sure what drugs the dominion score graph is on, I've tripled the number of candles I started with!
Misfortune is bearable, but I couldn't ever imagine picking death scales unless I'm playing Ermor.
Post by: Culise on January 07, 2014, 07:42:43 pm
Oh god. Misfortune 3 is on my list of "never ever ever." I'm sure it's not actually that bad, but I've had some really bad events pop up that I never want again.Misfortune 3 specifically also unlocks some really nasty events that won't trigger otherwise, most of which involve something big and bad attacking spontaneously. That and Drain 3 (with its "kiss your gems goodbye" event) are probably two of the biggest scale-based traps that aren't immediately obvious from their effects, since they primarily unlock really nasty events.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 08, 2014, 12:59:19 am
Post by: E. Albright on January 08, 2014, 01:06:46 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 08, 2014, 07:01:58 am
If you got the game from desura, you can transfer it to steam by using the same code and get it updated that way. If you're one of those "no steam on my computer" folks, that's fine too.
Here's hoping desura gets the patch online soon.
Post by: lijacote on January 08, 2014, 11:40:14 am
I postponed the game by 24 hours to make sure no one stales due to update shenanigans.
If you got the game from desura, you can transfer it to steam by using the same code and get it updated that way. If you're one of those "no steam on my computer" folks, that's fine too.
Here's hoping desura gets the patch online soon.
I believe you can simply copy and paste the Dominions folder and use it without the Steam app, so that should help with anyone not wanting to run Steam on their computer. Maybe.
Post by: Culise on January 08, 2014, 11:52:05 am
I postponed the game by 24 hours to make sure no one stales due to update shenanigans.Ah, thank you. I won't be able to get to a computer that I can load Steam onto until an hour or two after the original deadline, so this helps me quite a bit. ^_^
If you got the game from desura, you can transfer it to steam by using the same code and get it updated that way. If you're one of those "no steam on my computer" folks, that's fine too.
Here's hoping desura gets the patch online soon.
NOT-A-DOUBLE-POST-EDIT: New turn processes, my scouts reported back, and in the immortal words of Phoenix Wright, "Words cannot express how screwed I am."
Post by: tompliss on January 09, 2014, 05:01:05 am
God I hate this misfortune...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 09, 2014, 05:14:19 am
How bad is it to have misfortune 3 in your capital. I mean really how awful? Your units might get cursed but that only affects combat and your combat troops should be fighting. Even if not they're the most expendable curse fodder you could have. You could get one of those barbarian attacks but you have 25 PD so it's not likely to get through. I guess the worse is you could lose your lab (and thus gem income) or temple (and suffer longer under misfortune) + the cost of a new building.
I guess what I'm saying is "think positive" :)
Easy for me to say though, I'm not the one with Misfortune-3.
Post by: tompliss on January 09, 2014, 05:27:39 am
I agree I didn't have a "oh no more temple" kind of even, and that it may not appear as brutal as a "oh, you get Sloth 3, looks like you won't produce much for a year", but ... yeah ...
Anyway, I will complain about every event that will happen from now on because of it ! :p
Post by: Hugehead on January 09, 2014, 11:40:22 pm
Post by: lijacote on January 10, 2014, 04:19:44 am
Would anyone like to buy some air gems? I have 12 and would be willing to sell them for 50 gold each.
Is this offer going to last long? I might be interested, later, if nobody else buys it - but this early on, I think I value getting a couple more voi spearmen than having gems sit in my pool.
Post by: tompliss on January 10, 2014, 05:26:37 am
but no thanks for the Gems, still have some units to buy :D
An exchange might be interesting, nonetheless...
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 10, 2014, 09:19:53 am
Would anyone like to buy some air gems? I have 12 and would be willing to sell them for 50 gold each.
The Superb Owl would totally like to buy some air gems. Just let it check its budget first to figure out how many it'll buy.
EDIT: The Superb Owl would gladly buy 4 air gems per turn at a price of 50 gold each for the next 3 turns (at minimum). Sounds good?
Post by: Hugehead on January 10, 2014, 11:23:36 am
Sounds good, will we start the deal this turn or next?Would anyone like to buy some air gems? I have 12 and would be willing to sell them for 50 gold each.
The Superb Owl would totally like to buy some air gems. Just let it check its budget first to figure out how many it'll buy.
EDIT: The Superb Owl would gladly buy 4 air gems per turn at a price of 50 gold each for the next 3 turns (at minimum). Sounds good?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 10, 2014, 12:26:36 pm
Sounds good, will we start the deal this turn or next?
This turn would be great.
Post by: Hugehead on January 10, 2014, 12:50:37 pm
They're sent, pleasure doing business with you.Sounds good, will we start the deal this turn or next?
This turn would be great.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 10, 2014, 12:54:02 pm
They're sent, pleasure doing business with you.
Awesome. If I can't get to a computer in time, I'll send the payment for this set of gems along with the next set. Everything will probably turn out fine, but I'm letting you know just in case.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 10, 2014, 06:22:01 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 10, 2014, 06:53:54 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 10, 2014, 07:13:28 pm
Post by: lijacote on January 12, 2014, 07:20:32 am
also it seems some of the information I sent you, Man, was false, pertaining my exotic neighbours - I must have mistaken our game with my SP test game
I like where this is going. I haven't made any huuuuuge mistakes yet (which surprises me), and I've sorta found my naming theme. Bogarus is not doing too badly at all! I wish I'd had the energy to start LPing this from the start. Maybe I'll actually start from a later position like this, it could be fun, interesting, in medias res. Probably write it up as the game goes on and publish it when it's all over for me (or the game!), or maybe at a huge delay.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 12, 2014, 10:31:51 am
I like where this is going. I haven't made any huuuuuge mistakes yet (which surprises me), and I've sorta found my naming theme. Bogarus is not doing too badly at all! I wish I'd had the energy to start LPing this from the start. Maybe I'll actually start from a later position like this, it could be fun, interesting, in medias res. Probably write it up as the game goes on and publish it when it's all over for me (or the game!), or maybe at a huge delay.
You are doing well, like, very well. I've always heard that bogarus sucks early on.
Funny you should mention that, I've been writing my turns as I've played them. I'm waiting until this round ends before posting them. If your early game is anything like mine there's not much to write about it. There's little variance in early turns unless you face neighbours or particularly noteworthy independents.
Post by: Boksi on January 12, 2014, 01:41:35 pm
EDIT: Oooh, that's a useful throne I just found.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 12, 2014, 04:07:54 pm
No, I'm not compensating for anything.
Post by: Culise on January 12, 2014, 06:21:12 pm
Top research ho!Smallest army and country. Woo.
No, I'm not compensating for anything.
...
*sob*
Post by: lijacote on January 12, 2014, 06:58:49 pm
Top research ho!Smallest army and country. Woo.
No, I'm not compensating for anything.
...
*sob*
I have photographic evidence (http://imgur.com/q2kJVzg) that proves otherwise.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 12, 2014, 06:59:46 pm
Top research ho!Smallest army and country. Woo.
No, I'm not compensating for anything.
...
*sob*
I have photographic evidence (http://imgur.com/q2kJVzg) that proves otherwise.
...
Wat.
Post by: Culise on January 12, 2014, 07:35:32 pm
The government of Pangaea formally denies any knowledge of any top-secret military organization devoted to the weaponization of kindly woodland creatures called by the songs of any Dryad princesses we may or may not possess. We are not, nor have we ever pursued any such Woodlands of Magical Destruction programme.Top research ho!Smallest army and country. Woo.
No, I'm not compensating for anything.
...
*sob*
I have photographic evidence (http://imgur.com/q2kJVzg) that proves otherwise.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 12, 2014, 11:51:01 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 13, 2014, 01:28:13 am
Oh man this came up in conversation today! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNu_kqxqbew) Who would have thought it'd be Dom4-relevant.When I saw the title I thought it'd be connected to Midgård... I haven't watched that movie, you see.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 13, 2014, 01:38:10 am
...I just thought it was funny and Pangaea-related. :)
Post by: tompliss on January 13, 2014, 02:31:07 pm
Looking at the income graphs, I really don't like how it is going ... :/
Post by: lijacote on January 13, 2014, 03:37:03 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 13, 2014, 03:39:03 pm
Post by: Culise on January 13, 2014, 03:46:47 pm
Hehe I got back to back notifications this round. One very nice "You should have at least 1 PD in every province" message from Bogarus, and one "You caught a hiding enemy from Bogarus in your territory!" message.Heh, it's a well-timed object lesson. ^_^
((I so hope my scouts didn't get caught out. I've only ID'd five countries so far.))
Post by: Bluerobin on January 13, 2014, 03:55:00 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 13, 2014, 03:56:58 pm
I got a message from someone before I found them and was like "Oh crap where are they oh no oh man." Then it turns out they're totally cool people so it all worked out.
Caw Caw.
Of course it could have been someone else, but eh.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 13, 2014, 06:05:37 pm
((I so hope my scouts didn't get caught out. I've only ID'd five countries so far.))
Heh, my ninja died in the very first province he moved into. Turns out throne commanders can really screw over an assassination attempt.
Post by: tompliss on January 13, 2014, 06:17:41 pm
There were none for the throne of winter ! :p
But the throne itself is worse ...
seriously, I have Cold3 in half my provinces because of it ... :/
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 13, 2014, 06:43:47 pm
throne commanders ?
There were none for the throne of winter ! :p
But the throne itself is worse ...
seriously, I have Cold3 in half my provinces because of it ... :/
Commander that's in a throne province. It might be a regular indy commander or it might be a mage that spams skeletons till your ninja passes out and dies. It's just something I call them, the game itself makes no distinction between a commander that's in some random province or a commander that's on top of a throne province.
Doesn't Pythium have water magic? You could research some cold resistance spells (alteration or enchantment IIRC) so that you can counter the cold effects in battle at least. Granted those spells will be a bit higher. Smaller scale buffs are probably around 4-6 while battlefield wide are towards the tail end of the research tree. And doesn't that throne give some water gems? At least little payoff in that form.
But that's a good reminder not to claim each and every throne as soon as you see them if they have bad effects.
Post by: Karlito on January 13, 2014, 07:01:02 pm
Uh, Mictlan, I did not mean for that to happen. I'll pay reparations - not that you lost much.
Well, at least it's a nice affirmation of my heavy handed foreign policy.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 13, 2014, 07:14:39 pm
throne commanders ?
There were none for the throne of winter ! :p
But the throne itself is worse ...
seriously, I have Cold3 in half my provinces because of it ... :/
Worse for you, maybe. Personally I would kill for it. Or maybe just trade a bunch of gems or something. I dunno.
Post by: Culise on January 13, 2014, 07:39:51 pm
That's probably not very reassuring, considering that he's the one you need to kill for it. ^_^throne commanders ?
There were none for the throne of winter ! :p
But the throne itself is worse ...
seriously, I have Cold3 in half my provinces because of it ... :/
Worse for you, maybe. Personally I would kill for it. Or maybe just trade a bunch of gems or something. I dunno.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 13, 2014, 07:41:55 pm
That's probably not very reassuring, considering that he's the one you need to kill for it. ^_^
Nah, I get the feeling that we're on the opposite sides of the map or something like that. I've already met up with a good chunk of my neighbours, and I don't remember seeing many forests around my lands.
Post by: Culise on January 13, 2014, 07:49:54 pm
You two may be closer than you think, given that I haven't met either of you yet and I've met over half of the players, though I've probably only seen around a third to half of the map (I'm in a...crowded neighborhood). Let's see, if you don't have any forests near you, you're either there or there, and...hmmm. Actually, you two could be on opposite sides of the map if that's where you are, though I guessed from the turn conflict that Mictlan was south of Bogarus.That's probably not very reassuring, considering that he's the one you need to kill for it. ^_^
Nah, I get the feeling that we're on the opposite sides of the map or something like that. I've already met up with a good chunk of my neighbours, and I don't remember seeing many forests around my lands.
EDIT: Alternately, if you're there and he's over there, that works, too. Welp, now I need to send my scouts to assuage my curiosity. ^_^
Post by: Karlito on January 13, 2014, 07:55:38 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 13, 2014, 07:56:45 pm
You two may be closer than you think, given that I haven't met either of you yet and I've met over half of the players, though I've probably only seen around a third to half of the map (I'm in a...crowded neighborhood). Let's see, if you don't have any forests near you, you're either there or there, and...hmmm. Actually, you two could be on opposite sides of the map if that's where you are, though I guessed from the turn conflict that Mictlan was south of Bogarus.
EDIT: Alternately, if you're there and he's over there, that works, too. Welp, now I need to send my scouts to assuage my curiosity. ^_^
I look forward to meeting you... Eventually. Out of curiosity (and my own attempts at guessing) Have you met Jomon or Abysia yet?
Post by: Culise on January 13, 2014, 08:04:19 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 13, 2014, 08:07:51 pm
Yes and no, respectively. Caelum (that is, you), Mictlan, Abysia, and Pythium are the four I have yet to locate on the map.
Ah. I have a vague idea of where you are then. Also me and Abysia are neighbours, if you're wondering.
Post by: Boksi on January 13, 2014, 08:23:42 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 13, 2014, 08:43:59 pm
Mictlan is... awkwardly positioned.
Is it that horrible one province island chain? It can be pretty horrible. Got it in my test games several times.
I know it's early game but wow this game has been moving at a good pace.
Post by: tompliss on January 14, 2014, 02:40:59 am
I like how I can hear rumors of a powerful religion from across the see without being able to meet emissiaries of it :D
[EDIT] By the way, some pretenders will wake up in 3 more turns, right ?
Post by: Boksi on January 14, 2014, 04:45:44 am
Well, I am in a place where very few nations must have seen me.Dormant pretenders wake up after about a year, yes.
I like how I can hear rumors of a powerful religion from across the see without being able to meet emissiaries of it :D
[EDIT] By the way, some pretenders will wake up in 3 more turns, right ?
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 14, 2014, 09:06:30 am
Yes and no, respectively. Caelum (that is, you), Mictlan, Abysia, and Pythium are the four I have yet to locate on the map.
Ah. I have a vague idea of where you are then. Also me and Abysia are neighbours, if you're wondering.
UPDATE: We are definitely on opposite sides of the map, so no Throne of Winter for me. Oh well.
EDIT: Also, that feeling you get when you accidentally forget to double-check your messages before you end your turn...
Post by: tompliss on January 14, 2014, 09:37:21 am
Oh, what a pity ! :I
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 14, 2014, 11:05:20 am
No Caelum for me ?
Oh, what a pity ! :I
Indeed, what a shame. CAW CAW
EDIT: I'm always ready to do some trading though, if you want to.
Post by: tompliss on January 14, 2014, 11:36:16 am
Rumble Rumble
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 14, 2014, 11:37:50 am
Post by: Boksi on January 14, 2014, 12:45:42 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 14, 2014, 02:02:32 pm
Edit: Also, apologies to Bogarus, no offense was meant for my previous statement. I just thought the irony was funny.
Post by: Boksi on January 14, 2014, 02:28:42 pm
My big question is... How does Patala get a Vampire this early? I'm so very confused.See:
So I got my prophet killed early on through forgetting to script one squad and attacking a province full of barbarians. This turn I can appoint a new prophet and I just got this great random event.It's one of the new ones I believe.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 14, 2014, 03:06:27 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 14, 2014, 03:08:42 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 14, 2014, 03:13:54 pm
Quote
Coleslaw the Völva has forseen a major event that will occur in 3 months time. This is what was forseen:
The stars are right for conjurations.
There's nothing special about this Völva. She isn't my prophet, she has no levels or Hall of Fame status, and nothing else has happened in the province she's in since the game started. Völvas DO have Fortune teller (5%), though.
Post by: Culise on January 14, 2014, 03:17:26 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 14, 2014, 06:36:31 pm
So what do you people think about the graphs, as they stand? Personally, I'm curious as to why Mictlan's doing so badly. Is their starting position really that bad?
It ain't great for early-game expansion, but it has other benefits.
Post by: tompliss on January 15, 2014, 06:40:56 am
Why do I even need to work ? Couldn't I just stay at home on the computer all day ? :(
rumble rumble rumble RUMBLE !
Post by: Boksi on January 15, 2014, 03:22:48 pm
Post by: lijacote on January 16, 2014, 04:54:25 am
Post by: Boksi on January 16, 2014, 05:44:24 am
First to turn in my file this time! I'm not even compensating for my HUGE ARMIES (http://imgur.com/1FL6BSQ) and FANTASTIC RESEARCH (http://www.svyatayarus.ru/data/icons/123_mother_of_god_with_praying_sts_savvati_and_zosima_of_solovki/border-scene_22/1101_exhfoto1_04.jpg). The revolution is undeterred, even if most every province around it seems to consist of around a hundred heavy cavalry and crossbowmen.I must say, I love having a pretender that can take that shit on and win. It's really helped my expansion.
Post by: tompliss on January 16, 2014, 06:05:51 am
I must say, I love having a pretender that can take that shit on and win.The great boulder shall now Roll ! :)
Do you hear the rumble ?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 16, 2014, 08:07:43 am
Post by: Hugehead on January 16, 2014, 06:38:10 pm
This was an interesting turn. Good job Man! I was getting lonely being the only one with two forts.Mictlan actually built one the same turn as you, but now it's 3 up on the higher fort tier.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 16, 2014, 07:00:49 pm
This was an interesting turn. Good job Man! I was getting lonely being the only one with two forts.Mictlan actually built one the same turn as you, but now it's 3 up on the higher fort tier.
Well my fort is obviously better since my graph overcoloured his graph. Yeah. That said, looking at my neighbours, either they have remarkably idle commanders or they're building forts as we speak. Guess it won't be us three for long. Oh well, there's always that third fort to aspire to.
Needs more fort.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 16, 2014, 07:18:58 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 16, 2014, 09:29:18 pm
I always have such a hard time getting my second fort up. *sigh*
It took me ages to get my second fort up in round 401. I was pretty psyched when I noticed I'd have my second one finished before year 2 in this one. I got lucky with indies that allowed me to pretty much beeline towards my preferred fort location. It also wasn't hard to save up the gold since Jomon caps on resources way before it runs out of gold early on.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 16, 2014, 10:24:46 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 16, 2014, 10:33:31 pm
Yeah, once I get my first one started the second (and sometimes third) finish a month or two later most of the time. We'll see what happens this time, though! The thrones are doing all sorts of weird things that I hadn't expected.Tell me about it! My research plan has been radically altered!
Post by: Culise on January 16, 2014, 10:44:03 pm
Post by: tompliss on January 17, 2014, 03:00:41 am
By a throne ? o_OThe thrones are doing all sorts of weird things that I hadn't expected.Tell me about it! My research plan has been radically altered!
Well, mine may be nice for me after all, even if I really didn't think so when I first conquered his province... >:D
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 17, 2014, 06:30:06 am
By a throne ? o_OThe thrones are doing all sorts of weird things that I hadn't expected.Tell me about it! My research plan has been radically altered!
Well, mine may be nice for me after all, even if I really didn't think so when I first conquered his province... >:D
I'm guessing Boksi is referring to that +5 blood slaves throne he got. I believe all monkey nations get some spiffy unique blood summons even though only Lanka (EA) has recruitable blood mages.
Post by: tompliss on January 17, 2014, 08:47:36 am
Post by: lijacote on January 17, 2014, 08:56:01 am
Can you sacrify blood slaves as gems to empower a blood mage, by the way ?
You can empower any commander with blood slaves, even ones without blood magic. That's probably part of the reason why Patala is looking at rethinking their strategy.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 17, 2014, 09:08:33 am
Post by: Boksi on January 17, 2014, 04:59:54 pm
Although the vampire prophet probably helped in that regard as well.I'd like to note that that's just a regular vampire that does not have any magic paths; it's not a vampire lord.
If you'd do a little research you'd notice that I don't even need to empower anyone. What's a female SC-capable pretender chassis with earth magic that Patala can use? Though I'll need to research Blood 6 before I can get a real blood economy going.Can you sacrify blood slaves as gems to empower a blood mage, by the way ?
You can empower any commander with blood slaves, even ones without blood magic. That's probably part of the reason why Patala is looking at rethinking their strategy.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 17, 2014, 05:08:29 pm
Post by: lijacote on January 17, 2014, 05:49:37 pm
Quote
If you'd do a little research
Was that meant to be snarky?
Post by: Boksi on January 17, 2014, 05:51:24 pm
No, just a statement of fact. (http://dom4editor.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/inspector/index.html?page=unit&nation=80&unittype=8&unitnat=1)QuoteIf you'd do a little research
Was that meant to be snarky?
Post by: Culise on January 17, 2014, 08:26:08 pm
Post by: Boksi on January 17, 2014, 09:47:14 pm
In retrospect, the name "Rumia" was rather a dead giveaway. Not that I knew before you explicitly made note of it, either, but that's in part because I didn't think it had to be restricted to an SC-capable chassis.Well, it was awake with high dominion and you could see how my research graph dipped on the second turn. Admittedly I failed to expand with my regular army so I only took 1 province that turn.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 18, 2014, 11:12:48 am
"Hell hath no fury..." and all that.
Post by: Boksi on January 18, 2014, 08:31:05 pm
Sorry Rumia but my Daimyos already bought all the timeshares in that little island. I hope you don't mind.Is that so?
"Hell hath no fury..." and all that.
Well, it's fine.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 19, 2014, 08:07:29 am
edit:
turn resend fixed it.
Post by: tompliss on January 19, 2014, 08:26:56 am
If it can help you, I got it with a "sent time" at 8:17, GMT +1, so nearly 2 hours after the processing, and 26 hours before the end of this turn.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 19, 2014, 11:51:21 am
Post by: Karlito on January 19, 2014, 12:05:40 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 19, 2014, 06:06:52 pm
Quote from: llamabeast @Dom4mods
Okay I have got to the bottom of it. With the increased number of users lately I've started exceeding the 500 emails/hour limit that my hosting provider allows. I've signed up with a third party service but I think they will take a couple of days to enable it.
Good to know that problem is not with the server itself.
Post by: Culise on January 20, 2014, 04:21:12 am
Post by: lijacote on January 20, 2014, 06:44:37 am
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Boksi on January 20, 2014, 11:08:24 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 20, 2014, 11:12:26 am
I'll toss a 24h on it.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 21, 2014, 08:43:15 pm
Hopefully this issue will solve itself and we can get back to our scheduled world conquests soon.
Your admin and fellow pretender.
Post by: Karlito on January 22, 2014, 01:46:04 am
Uh, Karlito. While I'm sorry that this hilariously unlikely event took place, I'm not paying reparations for it.And to think Clodius lost an arm doing this. I think I'm giving them a promotion. Perhaps the arm is not too damaged for a hook to be fitted?Spoiler (click to show/hide)
If you can't see, that's the province defense outside one of my forts routing after taking 0 damage from the attacking enemy scout. I guess the 15 morale Tribal King failed his check. ಠ_ಠ
On the same turn, my other fort was attacked by pirates.
(Also, yes I am still playing, and will hopefully have no further problems getting turns in).
Post by: tompliss on January 23, 2014, 10:37:59 am
Winter is Coming.jpeg
Post by: Bluerobin on January 23, 2014, 11:50:33 am
Post by: Culise on January 23, 2014, 11:55:34 am
But at least I have a pretty map. By the way, sorry to the people who had to kill my scouts after you tumbled to them. Hope I didn't do too much damage.
Post by: tompliss on January 23, 2014, 12:13:22 pm
sorry to the people who had to kill my scouts after you tumbled to them. Hope I didn't do too much damage.I think I killed three scouts from three different nations, the turn before this.
I know my island is pretty, but even during summer, you need to many clothes to survive to be actually sneaky, guys, so don't bother trying ;)
Post by: Boksi on January 23, 2014, 02:16:29 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 23, 2014, 05:00:19 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on January 24, 2014, 12:04:06 am
Post by: Culise on January 24, 2014, 12:06:51 am
So uh... looks like the first war has begun? Also, it looks like maybe two turns until a MAP-O'-THE-WORLD will be available, at least from the combination cartographers/culinarians of Midgård. They'd get it done sooner, but the darn thing's made entirely of edible components and it keeps falling apart.If you like, I can post what I have. Some of the information is probably inaccurate or outdated, but it couldn't hurt.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 24, 2014, 12:10:04 am
Post by: Culise on January 24, 2014, 12:19:47 am
And remember, for all your aerial cartography needs, fly Air Pangaea.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 24, 2014, 12:27:46 am
Post by: tompliss on January 24, 2014, 03:27:20 am
Just saying :-°
And it looks like neither of you know the real Mictlan/Jomon border...
Post by: Bluerobin on January 24, 2014, 03:49:02 am
I have about 3 scouts that will be in that area in the next month or two. Unless they all get rooted out and killed. Too bad all the information does nothing for me because I don't actually know how to plaaaaayyyyy.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 24, 2014, 06:01:12 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 24, 2014, 09:32:48 am
Sounds good. Half-size image linked here (http://i.imgur.com/P8hZc5I.jpg). Capitals, forts, and my best guesses on thrones included; labs, temples, and armies not included. Well, except for my own, but that's because I was lazy and haven't been updating my own corner of the map. I had to add in my own forts before generating this based on what I could remember from running my turn.
And remember, for all your aerial cartography needs, fly Air Pangaea.
Oh, snazzy. Some parts of the map are a turn or two out of date, but it's a damn good map, to be honest.
Post by: Culise on January 24, 2014, 10:40:26 am
That's a pretty pictue Pan, it really is. But ah... You're missing a couple of forts :PProbably. Half of my scouts got sniped in a single turn, so I lost most of my coverage, and I haven't been able to get anything out there to replace them since I'm too busy playing catch-up across the board.
Post by: tompliss on January 24, 2014, 10:50:15 am
So uh... looks like the first war has begun?Looks like there a topic that may be fun, here :)
Except it seems I'm not directly in this war, and currently can't access to the game to check from the previous scouting to see who is...
Post by: Bluerobin on January 24, 2014, 10:53:17 am
Oh wait, I just realized the label of "War" was showing the throne of war, not labeling an actual war. Never mind then, I might have caught the first one!
Edit: I also just realized that the screenshot I posted still has scout icons on it. Oh well, feel free to use it as a scout-hunting map if so desired, they'll be moving every turn.
Post by: Margrave on January 24, 2014, 05:03:23 pm
By the way ...So uh... looks like the first war has begun?Looks like there a topic that may be fun, here :)
Except it seems I'm not directly in this war, and currently can't access to the game to check from the previous scouting to see who is...
This war has been started by an unprovoked act of aggression from the Men of Man against the peace-loving magma peoples of Abysia!
In a cruel twist of irony the Throne of Law has been stolen by the forces of Chaos! Let it be known that this war will not end until the Throne is returned and restitution provided for the deaths of the hoo-mans who died defending their homes.
I curse the lands of Man and all who dwell therein, may your volcanoes never erupt and the blessed lava never touch your homes! We're going to make you remember the name of He Who is Unpronouncible.
Post by: Bluerobin on January 24, 2014, 05:32:20 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 24, 2014, 05:34:13 pm
This is going from a war with 3 members to a world war in the course of a single turn. Diplomacy at its finest!
...
Shit.
Post by: Margrave on January 24, 2014, 06:38:04 pm
This is going from a war with 3 members to a world war in the course of a single turn. Diplomacy at its finest!
...
Shit.
Shit indeed! Doubly betrayed! I had not realized the land of fire and brimstone was so valuable to its neighbors or else I would have held an open house and gotten into Real Estate.
Also:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
No wonder everyone wants to attack me, my entire army is made up of spies. They were all caught in ONE PROVINCE. Who knows how many I have skulking in the woodwork.
This betrayal will not go unpunished! Fight over my scraps if you wish, but you will find that your prize will destroy you both in the end.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 24, 2014, 07:46:40 pm
Post by: Culise on January 24, 2014, 07:59:45 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 24, 2014, 08:16:12 pm
Err... Can I get a extension to the hosting time? Huge war between Abysia and Man, lots of diplomacy to worry about, going to sleep in a couple hours etc. 12 hours should be plenty. Would that be fine?
Can do.
Post by: Karlito on January 25, 2014, 03:25:30 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 25, 2014, 03:27:40 pm
Is anyone interested in trading pretty yellow metal for shiny but useless rocks? I have red, blue, green, and white rocks to trade.
The SUPERB OWL would LOVE to HAVE your WHITE and RED ROCKS, but we need our pretty yellow metals too so no deal, unfortunately. Sorry about that.
Post by: Boksi on January 26, 2014, 06:19:09 pm
The good news is that I'm going to be less busy from now on, so I shouldn't be needing any extensions.
The bad news is that I spent all day playing Crusader Kings 2 and now it's almost midnight and I need to sleep and I haven't done my turn yet :-[ So I do kind of need an extension.
PS: Just how much did you spend on that province defense, Man? It's inefficient to spend a lot on it, you know.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 26, 2014, 06:49:35 pm
Post by: Karlito on January 26, 2014, 08:37:12 pm
The bad news is that I spent all day playing Crusader Kings 2 and now it's almost midnight and I need to sleep and I haven't done my turn yet :-[ So I do kind of need an extension.
I've done probably the exact same thing, before.
Post by: Culise on January 26, 2014, 09:05:01 pm
I know the feeling. I suspect these games are secretly time machines. You start up the game, look up, and it's suddenly ten hours later.The bad news is that I spent all day playing Crusader Kings 2 and now it's almost midnight and I need to sleep and I haven't done my turn yet :-[ So I do kind of need an extension.
I've done probably the exact same thing, before.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 26, 2014, 11:43:18 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on January 27, 2014, 09:10:38 am
Jomon is looking to sell off it's fire gems. In return we'd like some air gems. Exchange rate of 1:1, of course.
FGHF;LJDFG;LJ Why does everyone ask for gems I need for gems I want? Superb Owl damn it!
Post by: tompliss on January 29, 2014, 03:31:37 am
Err... Can I get a extension to the hosting time? Huge war betweenAbysiaPythium andManMictlan, lots of diplomacy to worry about, going to work for the next 11 hours etc. 12 hours should be plenty. Would that be fine?
[EDIT] thx Delta ^^
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 29, 2014, 06:41:03 am
Post by: Boksi on January 30, 2014, 04:30:53 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 30, 2014, 08:13:26 am
phew.
edit: uhh, Boksi, deadline's in 30 minutes and you haven't finished the turn. I'm going to extend it a bit to be on the safe side.
Post by: Boksi on January 30, 2014, 09:23:14 am
Well it's a good thing you're at war with Man first.Oh FFFFFF-
phew.
edit: uhh, Boksi, deadline's in 30 minutes and you haven't finished the turn. I'm going to extend it a bit to be on the safe side.
I did my turn, but there was some issue with Hotmail so I figured I'd send it in today, and then I flat out forgot about it. Thanks for being on the lookout for me. Not that I'll grant you any mercy in-game for it, mind you ;D
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 30, 2014, 03:55:18 pm
And well, I'm paranoid as heck about stales. Don't like them. I always double check my submits from llamaserver.net.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 30, 2014, 07:17:30 pm
Jomon is looking to sell off it's fire gems. In return we'd like some air gems. Exchange rate of 1:1, of course.
Update on that. Jomon is looking for AIR.
Jomon is giving in return FIRE, DEATH or for a limited time only special offer EARTH. Vast muchness of earth to anyone who can supply us with air!
Post by: Karlito on January 31, 2014, 09:24:05 pm
Post by: lijacote on February 01, 2014, 12:13:03 pm
(Lazy copypaste on both threads because phone)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 01, 2014, 12:25:33 pm
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Bah, my PD is quite good. Great even. Clearly your mage-priests need a nerf or two.
doublepostedit:
Why Pythium, why? I thought we had a good thing going. It's ok though. I can't promise I'll make it quick but I'll do what I can.
And hey, at least you hopefully learned a little something about what a brawny pretender like yours can and can't handle.
Post by: tompliss on February 03, 2014, 10:23:52 am
And the sneaky bits of the game.
This turned so soooooo wrong.
And it could have been to sooooo good.
And it didn't have to be that good, just "meh".
I knew what he could and couldn't handle. I did tests, and well, as long as ennemies aren't giants nor a 100+ weilders of long-weapon, it was good.
And guess what, dragons aren't small :I
Stupid stone could have done something with his spells, but he had to attack to boulder its way through minions...
Time to cry, now.
Post by: Boksi on February 03, 2014, 10:59:26 am
EDIT: Mind granting me a little extension? I'm kind of worrying about more fronts than most people here and I don't think I have enough time tonight to finish up my turn.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 03, 2014, 06:32:48 pm
EDIT: Mind granting me a little extension? I'm kind of worrying about more fronts than most people here and I don't think I have enough time tonight to finish up my turn.
Edits don't bump the thread so I almost missed this. Almost. 12h has been granted.
Good luck with the war.
Post by: tompliss on February 03, 2014, 06:37:16 pm
Edits don't bump the thread so I almost missed this.They put the "new" icon at the right of the title ;)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 03, 2014, 06:44:57 pm
Edits don't bump the thread so I almost missed this.They put the "new" icon at the right of the title ;)
That's how I noticed. But I usually just check the topmost threads in PWYB. I guess I should use the 'mark all as read' feature to spot these better. Unless someone actually posts here it doesn't bump up to the top of the page.
Post by: Bluerobin on February 04, 2014, 12:38:54 am
In other news, my völva have been less useful, failing to predict terrible misfortune and even becoming cursed! Poor Mayonnaise. Or Yogurt. Or... hmm what was her name?
Post by: tompliss on February 04, 2014, 02:34:08 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 04, 2014, 05:52:07 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on February 08, 2014, 05:30:07 pm
I don't even know what my mages were trying to do there. Oh well.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 08, 2014, 05:46:35 pm
*sigh*
I don't even know what my mages were trying to do there. Oh well.
Uh... Yeah, what were your mages trying to do there?
Post by: lijacote on February 08, 2014, 05:48:34 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on February 08, 2014, 05:50:20 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 08, 2014, 05:53:04 pm
Apparently kill a nigh immortal pretender with spells she has a lot of resistances to while watching all of their accompanying soldiers die a horrible, horrible death. Y'know, the usual.
Ah, Dominions! Seriously though, I'm not entirely sure how you could've stopped said pretender, given her shock resistance.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 08, 2014, 05:53:20 pm
Maybe you had range issues? I believe mages go offscript if they can't cast their scripted spells. I can't really tell what spell carries how far in the battlefield but that could be it.
Post by: Bluerobin on February 08, 2014, 05:54:40 pm
Post by: Karlito on February 09, 2014, 08:18:52 pm
Whatever, Cherry Coke doesn't care much for these piles of shiny rocks anyway.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 09, 2014, 08:55:36 pm
That was a fun fight, Boksi. Fatigue really bit my guys in the ass by the end of it. Those ethereal zerking markatas took their time to die or run off.
Post by: Boksi on February 09, 2014, 10:27:14 pm
Post by: Boksi on February 10, 2014, 04:17:20 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 10, 2014, 04:19:34 pm
Post by: Boksi on February 12, 2014, 07:37:02 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on February 12, 2014, 07:47:45 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 13, 2014, 07:29:34 am
I'll do a rollback, At this point a stale from Patala would hurt the game a bit, I reckon.
READ THIS EVERYONE:
When I do a rollback, you will get turn 33 sent back to you again. Ignore this. Go to your Bay12GamesRound402 save folder and delete your 2h file as well.
Boksi will download turn 33 and play his turn and send it to llamaserver. At which point I'll forcehost it. You see, llamaserver remembers all the turn files the rest of you sent so it will play out exactly the same. It's just the staling player(s) that need to do it.
DELETE YOUR 2h FILE. DON'T RE-PLAY TURN 33.
Ask if something's unclear. Also, if you don't delete your 2h file, something horrible is going to happen to the game. Seriously, delete it.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 13, 2014, 04:28:29 pm
I sure hope Boksi's pretender doesn't get up to something horrible. Which reminds me, did you know that Patala gets it's naked nagas in every cave province? Not that there's many on this map, certainly not close to you. But something I just learned.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 13, 2014, 04:36:04 pm
Which reminds me, did you know that Patala gets it's naked nagas in every cave province? Not that there's many on this map, certainly not close to you. But something I just learned.
They're only the weaker Nagas though, so it's not that useful. Then again, blood vengeance....
Post by: Boksi on February 13, 2014, 04:46:40 pm
They're still sacred and still have their poison spit, though. Well, it's probably not going to matter for this game.Which reminds me, did you know that Patala gets it's naked nagas in every cave province? Not that there's many on this map, certainly not close to you. But something I just learned.
They're only the weaker Nagas though, so it's not that useful. Then again, blood vengeance....
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 13, 2014, 04:53:58 pm
They're still sacred and still have their poison spit, though. Well, it's probably not going to matter for this game.
Exactly. Easily amassed scareds can be pretty damn awesome sometimes.
EDIT: Remind me to play Marignon next Dominions game. Just for shits and giggles...
Post by: Culise on February 13, 2014, 09:11:02 pm
...
Well, I'm sure you can always break the siege and come back...right?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 13, 2014, 09:19:58 pm
Well, maybe next time. Hopefully not this game :P
___
Recruit everywheres I know of:
Jaguar warrior (EA/LA Mictlan)
Eagle warrior (MA Mictlan)
White One (MA Bandar Log)
Tall naked spear guy with awe (EA Kailasa)
Levite Zealot (LA Gath, temples cost 800g though)
Flagellants (MA and/or LA Marignon)
Knights of the Chalice (MA and/or LA Marignon)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 13, 2014, 09:51:44 pm
Recruit everywheres I know of:
Flagellants (MA and/or LA Marignon)
It should be noted that when it says that Flagellants are recruit everywhere, they really mean recruit everywhere. You can recruit Flagellants in any province with a temple...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 13, 2014, 10:12:46 pm
But then I haven't played Mari now have I. I haven't played a lot at all in fact. Even I wouldn't blindly trust my opinion in these matters. But yeah, flagellants aren't the most revered sacred out there.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 13, 2014, 10:20:09 pm
That said, they're suitably crappy to be so numerous. Personally I wouldn't waste a bless on them. And you're still paying 400g a province to get them. 400g. I know I'd rather get something else with that.
But then I haven't played Mari now have I. I haven't played a lot at all in fact. Even I wouldn't blindly trust my opinion in these matters. But yeah, flagellants aren't the most revered sacred out there.
I've been trying out a N9B9 bless with them against the AI. It's fun to see them wreak havoc both attack and defending, even if they tend to drop like flies. *shrug* Probably not something to try out in serious competitive play, but for a friendly game, eh. Worth a try.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 13, 2014, 10:49:29 pm
I mean my pretender decisions are a bit suboptimal. I can think of two major flaws, with some potential minor ones I wasn't aware of when I made it. But the two major ones, I knew them when I made this. "eh, it'll be fun" was my justification. Seems to have worked well enough, even though I'd be in a better position had I made some other choices.
But I don't regret the pitfalls I made, they have been and will be a learning experience as the game goes on. Something to look back to when I'm designing my next nation/pretender combo.
Post by: lijacote on February 14, 2014, 08:19:57 am
I am not bitter. I am only robbed of all the colours of the rainbow, the colours of the wind.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 14, 2014, 09:06:41 am
Oh definitely. I don't mind 'wacky' builds even when everyone is trying to win. If your first criteria in picking a pretender/nation/strategy is that it's cool, that's fine by me. Just as long as you then try to use that cool build to win in the best manner possible.
I'm with you, but unfortunately I'm too much of a noob right now to go for a 'wacky' build and play competitively. Plus I do love me some scales...
Post by: tompliss on February 14, 2014, 09:39:20 am
Alas, poor Pythium, I knew ye...not at all, really, but the principle is still there.I'm totally going to win this game.
...
Well, I'm sure you can always break the siege and come back...right?
Just waiting for Jomon's reinforcements before breaking the siege, so I have to do it only once ! :D
Except Jomon doesn't seem to come and siege me anymore ... :s
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 14, 2014, 03:26:00 pm
I'd say I've been quite non-confrontational in my dealings with you. Pretendicide aside.
Post by: lijacote on February 14, 2014, 06:19:14 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 14, 2014, 06:29:15 pm
I for one will aim to get it done in time. Almost missed it myself, most embarrasing. I swear it wasn't supposed be a nap!
Post by: tompliss on February 14, 2014, 06:54:30 pm
I've never sieged you. I've never been coming to siege you. Anything I may have had near you has been moving to smack some righteous whoopass on Patala.Well, I can tell you that, when I saw your masive army going through your bridge, 3 provinces north from my capital the turn after I attack 3 of your provinces, I really though it was for me. 2 of my scouts followed that army (before getting killed).
No,w I'm kinda sad I can't try to battle that... :/
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 14, 2014, 07:28:47 pm
I was really surprised at your aggression towards me, then and later. You even sent a couple of assassins at me, was a bit surprised by that. Surely Mictlan was an actual threat to you and worthy of such gifts. I figured (and still figure) that you have an alliance of sorts with Patala. That's the only reasoning I could come up with when you attacked me.
I hope you learned a little something from our fights. Did you expect my mages to kill off your guys so easily? Spells are pretty great when you pick the right ones to match what you're fighting. You saw what my poorly thought out and moderately equipped dragon could do as well. With some experience and skill put behind it it could even cooler stuff. Your cyclops had a lot more long-term potential though. Dragons can only ever have a helmet + 2 misc. items while cyclops has the whole range of things it can get. Construction-4 and upwards especially give some awesome stuff to forge.
Post by: Karlito on February 14, 2014, 07:43:43 pm
Post by: tompliss on February 15, 2014, 03:10:11 am
I was really surprised at your aggression towards me, then and later.I was thinking more about getting 3 provinces for a few turn for the extra income, more that a total war. Moreover, the one my pretender targeted was your ichtyid village (and my scouts told me there wasn't an army near this one), where I could have recruited enough troops to help me get a few sea provinces, next.
You even sent a couple of assassins at me, was a bit surprised by that.Pythium's assassins aren't really more expensive than their scouts. So I basically recruited assassins each time I needed scouts. Except samourais aren't exactly killable by those :s
Surely Mictlan was an actual threat to you and worthy of such gifts. I figured (and still figure) that you have an alliance of sorts with Patala. That's the only reasoning I could come up with when you attacked me.not really. I just though I could attack you and handle the retaliation much later. I attacked in spring, when the water between my island and your land was becoming "not walkable" again so you had to go around, attacking someone else :)
Did you expect my mages to kill off your guys so easily? Spells are pretty great when you pick the right ones to match what you're fighting.I didn't mind. My attacks with mermen wasn't here to stay, and other than that I put a few hydra hatchling just so that you needed real troops to kill em, not just a few militia. Fact is, you have really good blade fighters, with Jomon, so I knew you could kill them easily even without mages ^^'
You saw what my poorly thought out and moderately equipped dragon could do as well. With some experience and skill put behind it it could even cooler stuff. Your cyclops had a lot more long-term potential though. Dragons can only ever have a helmet + 2 misc. items while cyclops has the whole range of things it can get. Construction-4 and upwards especially give some awesome stuff to forge.Well, I didn't expect that, for sure. It makes me even more angry because of how the combat system in dominions works, because if my cyclop could have casted spells, he would have done something (even if not a kill).
Well, he has sent two assassins to attack my province defense. (That however, is the wrong way to use assassins).Desperate times...
Post by: Bluerobin on February 15, 2014, 09:06:46 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 16, 2014, 01:15:23 am
Couldawouldashoulda. On with the game, then.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 16, 2014, 10:47:33 pm
Post by: lijacote on February 17, 2014, 10:50:50 am
Post by: Karlito on February 17, 2014, 11:24:39 pm
Post by: tompliss on February 18, 2014, 04:03:21 am
240 units aren't enough ?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 18, 2014, 06:52:33 am
I imagine that relates to his sudden need of serious plotting.
edit:
12h extension granted of course.
Post by: lijacote on February 18, 2014, 08:20:43 am
Post by: tompliss on February 18, 2014, 10:00:34 am
But don't worry, this will come back as it once was.
Post by: lijacote on February 19, 2014, 10:05:12 am
Post by: Karlito on February 19, 2014, 11:18:49 pm
Post by: tompliss on February 20, 2014, 02:58:00 am
And my second wave didn't break the siege... Now, I'm at an army size of 4, and I can't watch the battle for 12 hours (work)... yay dead pretender ... :/
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 20, 2014, 06:58:42 am
And Mictlan, maybe you should consider a change of occupation? Teotl of Tour Guides, perhaps? :P
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So, maybe Pan or Midgård has all the scouts everywhere and would be interested in posting another map? I quite liked the first one and it's been a while. Just a thought.
Post by: tompliss on February 21, 2014, 03:06:44 am
We just want a piece of that fabled Mictlan climate. Thanks for killing a bunch of those jaguar warriors, tompliss.Well, there were 240 enemies at my walls 2 turns ago, only 130 left, now. Counting at least 40 jaguar dead.
It's funny how a Boulder rolling on them kills even the transformed ones :)
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Dominions 4 Scores, Bay12GamesRound402 turn 39wow, Boulder alone got it ?
Nation Provinces
Pythium 1
Am at work so I can't really check... Mictlan, you retreated your troops, or The Great Boulder smashed enough of your jaguar warriors for your entire 130 units force to flee ?
Now, on the way to siege a Mictlanese fortress with a Boulder ! :D
5EDIT 2] Oh god, I laughed so hard.
The eternal knights put Boulder down to 7/200 HP then fled. and he continued to roll on them like it was nothing ! :D
I love it when you get your jaguar warriors out of the way !
Post by: Culise on February 21, 2014, 07:53:12 pm
So, maybe Pan or Midgård has all the scouts everywhere and would be interested in posting another map? I quite liked the first one and it's been a while. Just a thought.Nope, sorry. I'd love to, but my scouts keep getting sniped. Now, I understand that they look like birds, but it would be greatly appreciated if passing patrols would stop using my cartographers as skeet. ^_^
Post by: lijacote on February 21, 2014, 07:54:37 pm
Post by: Culise on February 21, 2014, 07:57:51 pm
For a moment, I confused you with Caelum. Caelum and Midgård both eat scouts for breakfast, brunch, lunch and dinner in all likelihood.Heh, definitely true. I send a scout through a choke point; it gets swatted the turn it enters. I try again; it happens again. I pause, think a moment, and decide to find another route.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 21, 2014, 07:58:43 pm
For a moment, I confused you with Caelum. Caelum and Midgård both eat scouts for breakfast, brunch and dinner in all likelihood.
Flying units make awesome patrollers. :V
Being at peace with all my neighbours helps too.
Post by: lijacote on February 21, 2014, 08:02:01 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 21, 2014, 08:09:17 pm
For the longest time, I sent scouts to the independent province by Caelum that had the SC cyclops & co in it. It was a safe haven amidst the terror birds. Now that is over, and love is also dead.
Hueh heuh heuh
Also, it was a golem, not a cyclops. Much more nasty, actually, since it never flees and thus took a bazillion turns to gank. Especially since my mages were too far out of range or something. Bah.
Post by: lijacote on February 21, 2014, 08:11:00 pm
Did you get any of his gear? He had some pretty sweet stuff on him.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 21, 2014, 08:14:47 pm
Antaeus the golem, that's right.
Did you get any of his gear? He had some pretty sweet stuff on him.
I did, actually. None of which I really have a use for, but hey, free gear.
Post by: Bluerobin on February 21, 2014, 08:33:34 pm
Flying units make awesome patrollers. :VTrue on both counts.
Being at peace with all my neighbours helps too.
Also, I have no will or time to put together a map of any sort of quality, but... have a screenshot.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 21, 2014, 09:42:01 pm
I'll see if I can be bothered to make a map of sorts. I have a short weekend but it might be a fun distraction anyway. It's not like I lack good scout coverage.
Bluerobin:
Your map conspicuously leaves out temples. Many, many temples.
Post by: Bluerobin on February 21, 2014, 09:43:36 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 22, 2014, 01:46:53 am
Bluerobin:
Your map conspicuously leaves out temples. Many, many temples.
Lots, and lots, and lots of temples. I've got about half of my provinces filled with temples. Probably more than that, actually. Stupid blood sacrificing...
Post by: Culise on February 22, 2014, 09:19:14 am
Two-thirds of his, too, even when you include his recent conquests; that's pretty much grand fun for anyone who happens to be a neighbor of his. ^_^Bluerobin:
Your map conspicuously leaves out temples. Many, many temples.
Lots, and lots, and lots of temples. I've got about half of my provinces filled with temples. Probably more than that, actually. Stupid blood sacrificing...
EDIT: Also, combining Bluerobin's map with mine gives me a bit better overview of our surroundings. Map (http://i.imgur.com/PU5tFlg.jpg), though I can't vouchsafe the validity of areas around the Caelum-Abysia border, Man, or Mictlan-Pythium.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on February 22, 2014, 10:04:50 am
EDIT: Also, combining Bluerobin's map with mine gives me a bit better overview of our surroundings. Map (http://i.imgur.com/PU5tFlg.jpg), though I can't vouchsafe the validity of areas around the Caelum-Abysia border, Man, or Mictlan-Pythium.
Actually, the Caelum-Abysia border seems to be pretty much correct. The only mistake is that Bogarus has Deaf Vineyard (104), not Caelum. It's the province to the east of my unclaimed throne.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 23, 2014, 09:24:01 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 24, 2014, 06:56:32 pm
Because right now it's regular enough that I should be going to work or sleep and there's still 8 or less hours on the clock. We've had three stales because of that kind of situation. Sure, I could postpone hosting almost daily because of that but that seems a bit too fidgety.
With 36 hour hosting, if we reach 26-30h mark and there's still people unsubmitted, I will as a rule extend another ~10h and send some PMs to check what's up. Should effectively stop any chance of us staling.
Or if any of you guys start to get fatigued by the current pace, I can just do a proper turn/2 days and extend hosting period to ~56h, with the caveat that any players that haven't submitted by ~48h mark will be considered MIA and I'll postpone + send PMs. I'm quite happy with the current pace but I guess it's good manners to get that up to the table.
Post by: Bluerobin on February 24, 2014, 07:16:43 pm
Post by: Karlito on February 24, 2014, 07:30:33 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 24, 2014, 07:50:15 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 04, 2014, 11:37:24 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 04, 2014, 05:35:07 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 04, 2014, 05:38:20 pm
Postponed by 24 hours.
Thank you very much. I'll get the turn in ASAP. Can't play Doms on a phone, after all.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 05, 2014, 06:55:52 pm
It's a shame she didn't get to wade through my infantry lines in a last hurrah, but I didn't want to end up like Midgård did. Any lessons to take from this? I know I learned that 21MR isn't a whole lot if you're trying to keep something alive through soul slay spam.
Nice work with the last minute seductions though, lost a few mages there. Obviously not enough, but a fair few fort turns worth of recruitment still.
In unrelated news I lost 62 gems to a bad event. That was unpleasant. And as far as I can tell the province it happened in had misfortune1 but no drain. Nasty. Very nasty.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 05, 2014, 06:59:55 pm
In unrelated news I lost 62 gems to a bad event. That was unpleasant. And as far as I can tell the province it happened in had misfortune1 but no drain. Nasty. Very nasty.
Was it a gem thief, by any chance? Because I had a similar event that pushed by gem stockpiles back a couple turns, SUPERB OWL damn it.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 05, 2014, 07:06:21 pm
I'd like to know.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 05, 2014, 07:09:09 pm
Yes, yes it was. Was it a global thing? Or was it instigated by an individual player? I don't know.
I'd like to know.
*shrug* Must have been a global thing then. The coincidence is too high otherwise.
Post by: lijacote on March 05, 2014, 07:16:36 pm
Post by: Culise on March 05, 2014, 10:06:06 pm
EDIT: Oh, fun little comparison between the in-game list of claimed thrones and Llamaserver's list of actual throne provinces controlled, since I was wondering how all these grand sweeping conquests actually boiled down as far as victory (14 points) was concerned.
Midgard: 6/6
Jomon: 3/5
Man: 2/4
Abysia: 3/4
Pangaea: 3/3
Bogarus: 2/2
Caelum: 0/1
Patala: 0/1
Mictlan: 0/0
Some of it's a bit out of date; for instance, I know from the information in this thread that Jomon just took Patala's last throne province, so that 1 will likely be transferred to Jomon next turn.
Post by: Bluerobin on March 07, 2014, 12:52:33 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 07, 2014, 02:11:23 pm
In related news it starts to look like Man will lose a few of his thrones too, mainly to NOT-Jomon. Too many takers to figure out just how many and to whom.
Post by: lijacote on March 07, 2014, 02:27:30 pm
We have such responsible world leaders.
Post by: Bluerobin on March 07, 2014, 02:29:22 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 07, 2014, 02:31:44 pm
How many one-on-one wars have there been, two? Both were interrupted by the national peacekeeping community :-D
We have such responsible world leaders.
Three, I believe. The First Man-Abysian War (which devolved into everyone ganging up on Patala), the Mictlan-Pythium War (which Bogarus has successfully intervened with), and the Second Man-Abysian War (which is still ongoing).
It IS kind of interesting. Scary, too, though. The ends of the wars are always kind of like "welp, hope I'm not the next target!"
And the start of the wars too. And their middles. Really, the entire game has been 'Welp, hope I'm not the next target!'
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 07, 2014, 02:43:32 pm
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Yeah, Thank the lord (of Bogarus) for saving Pythium.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 07, 2014, 02:44:32 pm
Yeah, Thank the lord (of Bogarus) for saving Pythium.
Indeed. SUPERB OWL knows what we'd do without Pythium. Cry ourselves to sleep every night, probably.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 07, 2014, 02:47:10 pm
Nothing to see here, move along.
Post by: lijacote on March 07, 2014, 02:47:47 pm
Trample jaguars
I've got something relatively important to ask. I'm sieging Mictlan, now, and Karlito's bless includes an air shield. I've got the capacity to cast Flaming Arrows for my sizable archer force, but the way the two interact, his Air Shield would not help against the flaming part of the attack.
I'm debating with myself whether or not I should use it - Flaming Arrows has been one of my aims from the start, as has a strong archer force, but I would really rather not abuse a bug. I think Mictlan's mostly in the bag, but what do people in general think of using this effect to skip past Air Shield? I don't like it myself, and probably won't use it myself.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 09, 2014, 05:05:17 pm
Also read this:
I've noticed I needed to resend my turn the last two turns. The server did acknowledge the submission via email, but did not update the turn roster. I do not know whether it would use the turn file without resending, or just stall. To be on the safe side, I'd advise you all to make sure your turn is in as per the roster on the llamaserver whenever you submit your files.
Post by: Boksi on March 10, 2014, 04:38:32 am
Post by: lijacote on March 10, 2014, 05:03:38 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 10, 2014, 06:07:26 am
Post by: tompliss on March 10, 2014, 05:43:26 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 10, 2014, 06:31:58 pm
Do note that you can actually demolish your own forts, temples and labs. All commanders should be able to do that, just click on them to open the command menu and the demolish option should be near where the usual build commands are.
I'd probably keep the fort though, but I'm not familiar with Pythium's out-of-fort specials. Maybe it's actually worth it to demolish, damned if I know. But you can definitely do that.
Post by: Boksi on March 10, 2014, 06:39:15 pm
I was pretty surprised that you built a fort there.Pythium has some interesting out-of-fort units. It's one of the few nations that do.
Do note that you can actually demolish your own forts, temples and labs. All commanders should be able to do that, just click on them to open the command menu and the demolish option should be near where the usual build commands are.
I'd probably keep the fort though, but I'm not familiar with Pythium's out-of-fort specials. Maybe it's actually worth it to demolish, damned if I know. But you can definitely do that.
Post by: gman8181 on March 10, 2014, 10:55:30 pm
Do note that you can actually demolish your own forts, temples and labs.I'm 99% sure you can't demolish your own temples.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 11, 2014, 07:36:25 am
Do note that you can actually demolish your own forts, temples and labs.I'm 99% sure you can't demolish your own temples.
You are correct, I just checked. It's only for labs and forts.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 11, 2014, 07:36:55 am
You are correct, I just checked. It's only for labs and forts.
Not entirely certain why you'd want to smash your own temples though.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 11, 2014, 07:49:24 am
So you don't want to be beset by other people's dominion. And that's before we consider something like Ermor's popkill or MA C'tis' disease spreading.
With that in mind I wouldn't be surprised if someone somewhere wanted to demolish a temple or two of theirs to reign in their own dominion spread, so as to not instigate an unwanted war. Granted, that's wrecking one or more 400g temples just to avoid a war. In a winner-takes-it-all wargame.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 11, 2014, 07:54:20 am
Post by: Hugehead on March 11, 2014, 08:39:02 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 11, 2014, 09:02:55 pm
Well, you'd still probably get your ass kicked by Aby's million billion soldiers but there'd be more dead birds in your wake.
GG Hugehead.
Post by: Bluerobin on March 12, 2014, 11:02:06 am
Also, thanks for playing Hugehead!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 12, 2014, 11:04:38 am
If only you had known that Caelum has an ace in the form of turn-0 storm (you do have that, right USEC_OFFICER?).
CAW CAW. Maybe...
Post by: Bluerobin on March 12, 2014, 11:07:53 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 13, 2014, 08:02:44 am
Post by: Bluerobin on March 16, 2014, 12:27:48 pm
Uh, sorry about killing all the scouts, guys. Gotta stick them in places where I don't have unrest to keep down! :P
Post by: lijacote on March 16, 2014, 12:53:24 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/NsxQoCC.jpg)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 16, 2014, 12:58:45 pm
Uh, sorry about killing all the scouts, guys. Gotta stick them in places where I don't have unrest to keep down! :P
Bloody indy scouts, shoulda sent a ninja.
Any reparations you feel are appropriate may be sent to Jomon War Widows Association.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 18, 2014, 08:44:13 am
Post by: lijacote on March 19, 2014, 01:14:16 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on March 19, 2014, 02:00:47 pm
Post by: Culise on March 19, 2014, 02:05:21 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on March 19, 2014, 02:07:46 pm
Spoiler: Dominions graph image (click to show/hide)
Post by: lijacote on March 19, 2014, 02:16:01 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on March 19, 2014, 02:18:21 pm
Post by: Culise on March 19, 2014, 04:13:09 pm
That's a good point, I'd missed Pangaea's dominion taking a hit. I feel bad for my neighbors. At first I was pushing my dominion pretty aggressively with sacrificing, but I've pretty much stopped and it's still hitting them hard.So, it's still nothing super unexpected. :P
But yeah, unless he actually invaded me, I'm not surprised that my dominion score's continuing to tank. I'm trying to push the tide back as much as I can, but unfortunately, powerful priests are not something Pangaea has in abundance. Sneaky priests, yes, but not powerful ones.
Post by: sum1won on March 19, 2014, 06:21:06 pm
I'm actually entering the thread to ask for a potential sub for MA Ryleh round 401. You're on the wrong end of a war with the southern hemisphere, but you also have research out the pants and at least one SC.
Post by: Culise on March 19, 2014, 08:13:25 pm
You do, however, have cheap temples.You need to have a province to put them in, and you only get one temple per province. The only countries smaller than me are the ones actively being consumed by the bigger giants - Pythium and Man. Even if I'm still in the game, I'm still the only lightweight left in an arena of heavyweights. ^_^
I'm actually entering the thread to ask for a potential sub for MA Ryleh round 401. You're on the wrong end of a war with the southern hemisphere, but you also have research out the pants and at least one SC.
Post by: Bluerobin on March 19, 2014, 08:34:24 pm
Post by: lijacote on March 21, 2014, 07:11:37 pm
There have been reports that dark magic was used to achieve this glorious victory. Obviously, such slanderous lies should not be believed. Any such misgivings should be reported to the Central Committee.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 21, 2014, 07:55:19 pm
Post by: lijacote on March 22, 2014, 10:00:15 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 22, 2014, 10:03:22 am
How coy! What hath Caelum wrought?
Some water and earth boosters? I assuming that you don't have scouts in Candle Road if you have no idea what happened.
Post by: lijacote on March 22, 2014, 10:04:45 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 22, 2014, 10:07:54 am
I have no clue at all! Most of my scouts have been caught by either Midgård or Caelum. A couple were caught by the Jomonese security forces, but it was surely a misunderstanding brought on by the war in Mictlan.
Okay then. It's up to Jomon and Pythium whether or not they want to reveal what happened, so all I'm going to say is that it was very silly and slightly humorous.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 22, 2014, 04:47:52 pm
TO THE DOMCOMPUTER!
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 23, 2014, 08:44:17 am
But Candle Road. Yeah that was quite silly. So there I was, sending my pretender dragon who buffs with magic weapon-negates buffs to fight a cyclops I knew was wielding magical gear. That was just silly. But so was the fact that Boulder was still up and about and not in a retirement home somewhere, considering his lengthy list of afflictions. First he squatted my god then my worshippers diced his god. All lived happily ever after.
So that's what, six gods killed this game? Boulder x2, Man's Man x2, Cherry Coke x1 and Eastern Enigma x1? I hope I didn't miss anyone. I killed both Boulders, Abysia killed both Mans (or was it 1 and 1 with Caelum?), Bogarus offed Mictlan's Teotl and Boulder got his revenge shortly before his second demise.
Am I glad I subscribed for Scout-O-vision-3000, there were some flashy moments in that fight over at Mictlan's cap. Truly a testament to the might of Mictlan and to the valour of the men of Rus. Falling Fire devastated Rus lines and they just kept charging in the breach. And was that blood vengeance I spied towards the end when a sun priest targeted a khlyst formation? Ouch.
Mage losses were pretty hefty but that happens sometimes.
As for a fight over at a certain EX-Patalan capital... That was cool as hell! On one side the warhost of Jomon, on the other a mass of ravenous werewolves and raging berserkers. A few turns later, the warhost of Jomon fighting a ravenous mass of werewolves and raging berserkers ON FIRE. I checked a few of the flaming berserkers and they were profusely bleeding on top of everything else. I'd like to imagine it was on par with Elfen Lied or something. Brutal fight. Widows were made, shallow graves will be dug.
Post by: Bluerobin on March 24, 2014, 04:58:19 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 25, 2014, 07:55:03 am
Post by: sum1won on March 25, 2014, 10:03:51 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 25, 2014, 10:05:05 am
So, uh, no sub interest? But late game magics!
Last I checked we were almost at late game magics here too. Or at least some of us are.
Post by: lijacote on March 25, 2014, 10:16:19 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 25, 2014, 10:17:50 am
Was I the only one who didn't get a turn email from Llama before requesting a resend?
Perhaps, but I've had the same thing happen in other games I'm in. Llamaserver has been having email issues for a while now.
Post by: sum1won on March 25, 2014, 10:41:08 am
So, uh, no sub interest? But late game magics!
Last I checked we were almost at late game magics here too. Or at least some of us are.
Nation in question has a research score significantly higher than the top two research scores here combined, but I take your point that some of those spells are in play in this game as well.
Post by: lijacote on March 25, 2014, 10:42:21 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 25, 2014, 10:52:33 am
Nation in question has a research score higher than the top two research scores here combined, but I take your point that some of those spells are in play in this game as well.
As one of the players in the first round, I can attest that R'lyeh is an unholy monster of sorcery and otherworldly might. I have heard tales of master enslave.
Oh. Ouch. I'd sub-in, but I am sure that I'd botch everything terribly, so... Best of luck finding a sub.
Post by: Boksi on March 25, 2014, 11:17:12 am
Post by: Bluerobin on March 25, 2014, 02:56:18 pm
Post by: lijacote on March 25, 2014, 03:00:49 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 25, 2014, 03:02:08 pm
The murmurs speak of your beastly commanders, Bluerobin, of the undying and the diabolical bent under your power. I think you've got a fair chance of making it expensive to engage you, of maybe even winning this if the dice favour you. It's a shame it looks like another pile-up, though :p
Probably due to all the new players in the game. Ganging up on someone seems like a safer bet than a fairer fight.
Post by: sum1won on March 25, 2014, 03:20:57 pm
Hmmmm... I might try it. I've already subbed in once before, and I'm not in any game right now.
Excellent! If you PM Albright, he can transfer the reins to you. PM me with any questions. Thanks!
Post by: Bluerobin on March 26, 2014, 10:46:17 am
Pick your sides wisely.
Post by: tompliss on March 26, 2014, 02:31:00 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 26, 2014, 04:55:01 pm
Certainly, I'm big and I'm dangerous. But am I that big and dangerous? I'd like to remind you all that I'm not the only one making gains against Midgård.
Post by: Boksi on March 26, 2014, 05:36:33 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on March 26, 2014, 05:52:46 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on March 26, 2014, 08:53:02 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Edit: Also a hearty sarcastic thank you to those who offered to help and then conquered a couple of my provinces. May Jomon enjoy your lands in the future.
Also also, please don't take any comments I make as ACTUALLY being annoyed/wishing you ill. It IS a game after all.
Post by: lijacote on March 27, 2014, 06:45:11 am
A sound to her left crept up her ear. "It has come to pass, then". Had she not heard it a thousand times before, she might have been afraid. This shade of a man had power. "You were right. We would live in interesting times".
She cackled and clambered back into the hut. Thunder boomed. There was work to be done.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 27, 2014, 08:29:59 am
At least you paid for that fortress conquest USEC.
I'm going to pay dearly no matter what I do, honestly. The only difference is how long the suffering lasts.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 27, 2014, 08:49:15 am
Post by: lijacote on March 28, 2014, 08:23:56 am
I give myself permission to plagiarise this message.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on March 28, 2014, 10:33:52 am
Post by: tompliss on March 28, 2014, 10:44:10 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 28, 2014, 02:33:57 pm
Consider the turn postponed. I will also keep an eye on Bogarus.
Edit:
deadline's in a few hours, throwing a +12h on account of USEC_OFFICER.
Edit:
well that re-postponement turned out to be unnecessary.
Post by: lijacote on March 31, 2014, 01:41:06 pm
Post by: Culise on March 31, 2014, 08:46:12 pm
On that note, my apologies to you, Bluerobin. I mean, I know I invaded you and am moving on your capital along with Caelum and Jomon (and I'm a bit surprised Abysia hasn't sniped the throne off of you yet), but I needed to break out of the cul de sac in one way or the other, and Bogarus didn't embark on an early Dom-push that couldn't be reverted after.
Post by: Bluerobin on March 31, 2014, 11:17:43 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 01, 2014, 07:01:08 am
Post by: Culise on April 04, 2014, 12:25:32 am
Huh, looks like a battle happened this turn...wonder how much...oh. That's a bit of a divot in the Army Size chart.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 04, 2014, 08:29:32 am
/me glances at turn
Huh, looks like a battle happened this turn...wonder how much...oh. That's a bit of a divot in the Army Size chart.
Yeah... I saw that battle. It was rather painful to watch. And a lot of those guys where your sacreds too...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 04, 2014, 09:47:35 pm
Sure, Midgård lost more magewise. But as far as last stands go, he's making us pay a lot. And considering there were almost no troops to defend the mageartillery, I'd rate it a good show!
I did some quick and dirty math, Culise. You lost over 10,000g worth of units in that fight. Wow. A quick rerecruitment and once more unto the breach, am I right? :D
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 04, 2014, 11:01:10 pm
Epic battle, if you don't mind me saying. I was surprised how brutally effective thunder spam was against those dryad hoplites. BOOM BOOM BOOM death all around.
Thunder Spam is pretty damn brutal. Without lightning resistance it murders almost everything in the square it hits and damages the units around too. That's why I'm pretty jealous of Midgard's guarenteed A2 mages, honestly.
Post by: Bluerobin on April 04, 2014, 11:05:38 pm
Woo
I'm just sad I didn't get my blood economy off the ground. Just barely started getting my vampires started. I was hoping with my dominion I'd be able to guard with mostly immortal vampires.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 04, 2014, 11:18:09 pm
Guaranteed A2, common A3, and 2 air gems on an A3 gets me Storm, which with Storm Power makes every since A2 able to spam thunder.
Woo
And here I am dicking around with A1 bastards. It's just not fair. Caelum is supposed to have good Air magic, damn it.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 06, 2014, 07:05:57 am
Since Caelum's not (to my knowledge) engaged in any open warfare at the moment apart from beaten down Midgård, I'm in favour of NOT doing a rollback.
But I'm no dictator here so I'm willing to leave the decision up to you guys.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 06, 2014, 09:06:14 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 06, 2014, 10:25:55 am
Post by: Culise on April 07, 2014, 09:55:33 am
Epic battle, if you don't mind me saying. I was surprised how brutally effective thunder spam was against those dryad hoplites. BOOM BOOM BOOM death all around. And five Pans, ouch. Some nice use of battle enchantments, both of you. A marvelous fight. Worth every penny I've been paying that scout for.Yeah, I didn't expect him to take the offensive; I thought he'd sit in the siegeworks, summon up chaff, and force me to go through the walls under constant arrow spam. As such, I pulled off half of my mages without reworking their spells. I'm definitely not going to be able to recover from this, but I'm still going to try.
Sure, Midgård lost more magewise. But as far as last stands go, he's making us pay a lot. And considering there were almost no troops to defend the mageartillery, I'd rate it a good show!
I did some quick and dirty math, Culise. You lost over 10,000g worth of units in that fight. Wow. A quick rerecruitment and once more unto the breach, am I right? :D
I'm pretty sure he would have won without my mass-berserks; the damage he did almost certainly went over the HP limit on routs.
Post by: Bluerobin on April 07, 2014, 10:26:55 am
Post by: Culise on April 07, 2014, 08:31:37 pm
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Post by: lijacote on April 07, 2014, 08:34:50 pm
Spoiler: Filthy OOC chatter (click to show/hide)
Post by: Margrave on April 07, 2014, 08:58:16 pm
We also would like to mention that we appreciate Air Pangaea for their work and accuracy.
Post by: Margrave on April 07, 2014, 11:13:44 pm
The *moment* I wrest control of the Throne, does the wandering PLAGUE known as Bogus and Friends decide to attack.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 08, 2014, 06:39:44 am
PRAISED BE BOGUS!
Post by: lijacote on April 08, 2014, 09:09:37 am
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Post by: tompliss on April 08, 2014, 11:07:00 am
Post by: lijacote on April 08, 2014, 11:08:28 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 08, 2014, 10:19:55 pm
Quote
The LlamaServer seems to be having difficulty reaching its mail server at the moment. Fear not. Games won't host until it is fixed.
So don't go coocoo if you don't seem to get the turn confirmation email.
The game also got the 4.05 patch, it is my understanding that it won't cause any incompatibilities so if your preferred dominions source (desura/steam/gamersgate) is already offering the patch, feel free to get it.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 09, 2014, 04:03:06 pm
edit:
Regarding llamaserver:
Quote from: llamabeast
Johan has given me a quick fix which hopefully will overcome the crash bug. However I'm unlikely to have time to implement it until Saturday, so that's the current ETA. Sorry to keep you waiting.Source (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/dominions-405-bugs/page/2#966821)
Post by: Bluerobin on April 12, 2014, 05:45:18 pm
First I got a "wrong 2h file" error email, along with a resend email that I'd requested. I got turn 1397409367 resent to me apparently. Looks like this game's going to go for a loooooong time in to the future. I then got the "ok Llamaserver's working again" email, so I requested another turn resend and got turn 58. I didn't have a chance to look at it in the next half hour before I got the new turn for 59. Looking back at my emails it looks like the last one I submitted was 58, so I guess all of that was just the system getting itself working again, since things seem to be ok.
Anyway, I think I've got about one more decent battle left in me then I'm going to go AI, just so everyone knows. I'm mostly out of mages.
Post by: Margrave on April 12, 2014, 06:07:57 pm
So unless there's an outstanding issue with the file I guess everything that happened is legit.
And on that note I can provide an exclusive interview with Bogus if you'd like lijacote.
He has no choice now.
Post by: lijacote on April 12, 2014, 06:09:57 pm
Can he come to the interview posthumously, o' inflamed one? :p Oh. You enslaved him.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 12, 2014, 06:16:14 pm
As far as I can tell everything's back to normal if you just request a resend to get a good turn. Game on, as they say.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 12, 2014, 08:38:11 pm
Post by: lijacote on April 12, 2014, 08:44:36 pm
Post by: Margrave on April 13, 2014, 12:49:20 pm
I think it is a bit exploity to use them even by themselves as battle assassins, players were never meant to use them that way, but it seems the game designers have already attended to it and the moment I got them their orders already were changed to just attack. So that's one exploit nobody can use anymore.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 13, 2014, 12:54:31 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on April 15, 2014, 01:34:37 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 15, 2014, 08:04:50 pm
I guess that only leaves Bogarus as someone you haven't punched during this invasion.
Post by: Bluerobin on April 15, 2014, 10:46:50 pm
Anyway, with that I think I'll go AI. I don't have any resources left to work with, even though I still have something like 30 mages. Hopefully they won't just squander the little I have left, but I don't think it's worth me delaying the turns so that I can kill another 150 chaff units and 15 more mages, assuming I get very lucky.
Thanks for playing everyone, it's been fun!
Post by: lijacote on April 15, 2014, 10:48:58 pm
I hope the diplomacy of the game didn't leave too sour a taste in your mouth.
Post by: Bluerobin on April 15, 2014, 10:53:20 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 16, 2014, 05:59:38 am
I'd say it was lucky of me to start the war by killing your patrolling army. Mages+army is scary, alone either is much diminished as a threat. With four nations descending upon you it kind of snowballed from there. Sorry about the ungentlemanly pileup, but you use what means are available.
GG, see you next time.
Post by: lijacote on April 17, 2014, 04:00:15 pm
Oh, and BOULDER IS DEAD FOR GOOD
Post by: Bluerobin on April 17, 2014, 04:09:07 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 17, 2014, 04:11:39 pm
Haha I was wondering how the AI would use them.
By charging suicidally at the enemy, apparently. Which is actually a good strategy, given how they are immortal after all.
Post by: tompliss on April 18, 2014, 02:23:23 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 18, 2014, 09:33:19 pm
That's Midgård's cap fallen to Pangaea. Not without hefty casualties though. Awe doesn't help much when you're being spammed by zombies. I know hindsight is 20/20, but Culise probably should have recruited some chaff to go with those mostly irreplaceable cap-only sacreds.
Post by: tompliss on April 19, 2014, 04:11:06 am
Anyway...
First obvious mistake : I didn't look at what my neighbours could recruit when I made built my army. Ended with blessed hydras agaisnt fire and slashing army, and lost thousands of gold (and holy recruitment) because of that.
Second obvious mistake : didn't talk enough with neighbours. Ended without real ally.
Third obious mistake : Fighted against one of the most powerful players (guess who :p ), in a ground where I had disadvantage (water provinces near his coasts), while he had no other conflict running and I had.
Fourth mistake : didn't try to be a vassal. didn't offer anything to the victorious army. Ended (after 1.5 years) with my provinces totally surrounded (even with another nation near me at the begining), so I couldn't even "offer my help".
anyway, it was a fun first game, and I think I'll be better for the next one (as I can't be worse) !
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 20, 2014, 04:29:08 am
1. Hydras are bit of a trap unit anyway. They are extremely expensive for a unit, and despite high hp + regen, they don't have much defence or protection to tank hits. In addition their poison aura doesn't really synergize with your human troops until you can research poison resistance buffs much later. They probably have a niche use, but you definitely overspent on them this game. Gold for gold basis, you could get 16 high quality legionnaries or 3½ serpent cataphracts instead of a hydra, and either would be much more versatile.
2. Diplomacy is the key. It won't always save you but I'd say it's a self-imposed challenge to play without diplomacy in a match like this.
3. Wars on two front should be avoided. That's really all that needs to be said on that.
4. Some players have differing opinions on the matter: others expect you to fight to the last by yourself. Others are ok with people turning into kingmakers once they lose a realistic chance at winning the game. I haven't played enough to pick either of those opinions as my own just yet. In either case you should still have some strength left. If it's easier for me to grab your cap than it is for me to write you a reply about some alliance, I'll probably do the first.
Glad you enjoyed yourself, hope to see you in another game :)
Post by: tompliss on April 20, 2014, 04:33:44 am
but it did'nt solve the problem of Fire vulnerability against fire bless jaguar warriors :s
Also, I didn't focus on magic research enough (ended with level 4 in everything), and I didn't get a non-cap fort early enough to get some fire mages running (as my capital ones aren't great evokers, I think).
Post by: Culise on April 20, 2014, 04:18:42 pm
It sure took a while to extinguish that dominion of yours. Care to share what you had in your forts? With any luck you'll make me look like a fool for not just storming the place. Any other last comments about how the game went for you? Some obvious mistakes or successes you had etc?I don't think chaff would have helped. It was pure stupidity that cost me. I should have brought more evocation magic to bypass those vampires' invulnerability and use AoE attacks against hordes, and against the mindless undead in particular, dryads for Banishment spam. Alternately, enchantment magic to buff my troops, shuffled my thugs and mini-SCs to the front lines, all sorts of things I flubbed up on.
That's Midgård's cap fallen to Pangaea. Not without hefty casualties though. Awe doesn't help much when you're being spammed by zombies. I know hindsight is 20/20, but Culise probably should have recruited some chaff to go with those mostly irreplaceable cap-only sacreds.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 20, 2014, 04:40:11 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on April 20, 2014, 05:26:12 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 20, 2014, 05:50:37 pm
Could I get a copy of someone's turn? I'd like to see that battle and I don't get turns anymore.
I can send you the ones with me and Culise storming your forts. Bogarus is taking his sweet time doing it but I can probably send that as well when it happens.
You still have one free fort actually. Oranor I think.
edit:
I think you were still in when I stormed your fort. Well that's five minutes of searching for an old turn wasted. Oh well.
Post by: lijacote on April 20, 2014, 07:39:35 pm
Could I get a copy of someone's turn? I'd like to see that battle and I don't get turns anymore.
Have you gotten your turn? I can send mine to you if you like.
Post by: Bluerobin on April 20, 2014, 07:44:03 pm
Post by: lijacote on April 21, 2014, 07:30:02 pm
Five severed heads are presented to the public, black masks covering them, bearing Jomonese insignia. They seem disturbingly fresh, the blood only now coagulating.
"See the fruits of your scheming labours, Eastern Enigma! See it gone to waste against the followers of Red October! Master Arkady, present!"
A gaunt man wearing the regalia of the Central Committee steps forth. He takes out a skull staff, and waves it in a circle. A soft murmur of words streams from his mouth, their meaning dark. The heads break out in unison to confess!
"It was us, it was us! We have destroyed nations and people, we have brought down the civilized apes of Patala, the noble savages of Mictlan, and even now the genocide of Midgård is underway! We are monsters, beasts, we deserve nothing more than annihilation as a final mercy! Forgive us our transgression, Red October!"
Master Arkady waves his staff once more, and the heads are silenced. He seems pleased with himself, but lets that show only most faintly.
The crier resumes lambasting Jomon. The crowd screams with him, gasps with him, moves with him, in perfect unison. Hundreds go to enlist in the army. War has come.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 22, 2014, 05:24:29 am
I do remember catching some sneaky fivefold angels in my lands, but looking at all the lambasting I guess it's too late to ask if we're even.
Game on 8)
Post by: lijacote on April 22, 2014, 08:51:40 am
"In Bear Grove, as in the Strand of Birds by the grace of local action, we triumph. The poor and ailing ashigaru serving under Sumio, false prophet of Jomon, were given mercy by our fighting men. He even now cowers in the ape-built fortress in Bear Grove, weak without his peasants to serve him. In two months' time, we will come for him."
The alkonost takes off, rising above the crowds almost gracefully before heading further south and east, to the other cities. The dense ranks of the peasantry cheer.
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Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 22, 2014, 02:09:38 pm
Damn you damn.
Post by: lijacote on April 24, 2014, 04:54:19 am
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Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 25, 2014, 03:19:22 pm
Post by: Margrave on April 25, 2014, 07:32:27 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 26, 2014, 06:24:49 pm
But therein lied the brilliance of your move. Allow me to enlighten the rest of you:
I had some ok quality, very expensive dragon mages at province A. They flew to a fort of mine. I had several hundred troops in province B, they were marching to that fort of mine. And what does our brilliant Rus player do but cast a remote horror attack on the province between my troops and my fort. Since magic phase happens first, the horror attacks, takes the province and since my troops have no direct route to my fort, they just freeze for a turn. My dragons of course have no such problems and they arrive to my fort just in time to be sieged by evil slavs.
Cue next turn and my very many, very expensive mages get slaughtered as Bogarus storms while my chaff army is still slugging about one province too far.
I already complimented lijacote privately but that was a brilliant move that deserves a public accolade.
Post by: lijacote on April 27, 2014, 11:42:14 am
The rapid patter of steps alerted him: he was not alone in the park. A shadow approached from afar, and it closed the distance in a heartbeat. Vysheslav conjured his powers and unleashed Hell at the shadow, and it blossomed in fire (http://gyazo.com/757be589a143021987a095afac952c3d). What burned him most was not the flames, but that many of his colleagues had not managed to resist Jomon's daggers.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 28, 2014, 08:34:02 am
And boy do those vengeance medallions suck. That's what, 2 or 3 rus mages who had a ninja blow up in front of them without dying. Waste of fire gems. And ninjas for that matter. But it's ok.
There will be more.
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Post by: Culise on April 28, 2014, 09:20:11 am
Post by: lijacote on April 29, 2014, 07:34:19 am
Perhaps I am being dark, but this (http://gyazo.com/1cf5e972a4a2cfe41b2b4f14401cf857)is one of the armies that attacked me. I'm sure his other regions are less well-equipped, but you've been slow. You've been awfully slow. I have been slow. I have NOTHING to match that. If you were counting on a gambit to let him perhaps maul me first and then come to my aid, it has failed.
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Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 29, 2014, 04:51:45 pm
I'm going to assume it's business as usual until I hear from the rest of you.
Post by: lijacote on April 29, 2014, 05:03:44 pm
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Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 30, 2014, 02:51:04 pm
Post by: Culise on May 03, 2014, 10:14:41 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 03, 2014, 12:15:34 pm
Post by: Culise on May 03, 2014, 02:15:05 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 03, 2014, 05:44:41 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 04, 2014, 10:20:11 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 04, 2014, 12:04:09 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 04, 2014, 07:55:40 pm
And of course I submit my turn right after the turn flips over. I'm a fucking idiot guys, sorry.
Post by: Culise on May 05, 2014, 02:11:41 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 05, 2014, 03:12:36 pm
And since it was just Caelum and USEC_OFFICER didn't ask for a stale, I'm assuming we'll just continue with the game.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 05, 2014, 03:14:24 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 05, 2014, 03:22:39 pm
The rest of you probably know the procedure. Delete your 2h/trn files related to this game and don't submit a turn for the previous (now current) turn.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 05, 2014, 03:24:18 pm
Post by: Culise on May 05, 2014, 03:25:44 pm
Just Caelum. You can check it yourself from the llamaserver gamepage.Ah, I didn't know that. I never looked at the admin options before since I wasn't a game admin, so I assumed it needed authentication.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 05, 2014, 03:36:13 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 05, 2014, 03:53:25 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 05, 2014, 04:04:22 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 05, 2014, 04:05:45 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 07, 2014, 04:00:12 am
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Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 07, 2014, 08:22:03 pm
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Turn postponed 24h to avoid Caelum/Pan stale. I know there's still about 3½h to go, but I'd rather not risk a stale here.
Post by: Margrave on May 09, 2014, 12:46:34 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 09, 2014, 03:44:26 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 12, 2014, 02:35:18 am
On the Caelumian question, the Committee is of a mixed mind. On the one hand, we recognise the pragmatic, ruthless attitude that is required for revolutionary change. On the other, we hope that a peace can be found as soon as possible between these contrasting peoples. While the Jomonese front has, admittedly, seen some improvements, the war has only begun. The sooner the world unites against these war-mongering globalists, the better!
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Post by: Margrave on May 12, 2014, 10:40:40 am
We call out the flying peoples lack of vision, do the Pigeon Stoopers not realize that if we do not attack the Jomon Hoomons now that they will claim enough Thrones to reach divinity easily? Do the lofty ones not already see from their high perches that Jomon has already made a play for Bogarus's open Thrones and it is only by abandoning my own castles that we prevent them from total victory?
Have I even tried to fight back against you Caelum? For if we waste time against each other YOU and you alone will have given Jomon the GAME...of Thrones.
We are happy to accept an immediate peace with them if only they turn their armies towards the RATIONAL option of destroying the strongest. Keep the Throne of Law, it matters not for we must stop them now!
There is no aftermath to this game if we fight each other.
Post by: Culise on May 13, 2014, 07:28:40 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 13, 2014, 11:10:38 pm
In other news. Bogarus is easily pushing me back on all fronts. Not that I'm losing just yet. There will be many a dead pixelmen before we're through. And after our last big fight I can't really claim to be leading in the mages any longer. Unless you count those crappy monks I have lying around. Useless sods. At least his lab monkeys are useful.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 14, 2014, 07:05:45 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 14, 2014, 09:21:37 am
Postponed 24h for Caelum.
Thank you. I'll submit the turn ASAP.
Post by: lijacote on May 14, 2014, 02:53:30 pm
Post by: E. Albright on May 14, 2014, 04:22:21 pm
Any suck- erm, any takers?
Post by: Culise on May 16, 2014, 09:23:05 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 16, 2014, 01:10:42 pm
Post by: Culise on May 17, 2014, 08:24:51 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 20, 2014, 10:19:49 am
Post by: lijacote on May 20, 2014, 10:20:40 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 22, 2014, 07:43:28 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 22, 2014, 07:55:23 pm
So, here's the gameplan as of now:
postpone for a few days, look for a sub. In case no sub is found, turn Caelum AI and keep playing.
Post by: Bluerobin on May 22, 2014, 08:01:34 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 22, 2014, 08:02:50 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 22, 2014, 08:38:48 pm
How much time's left in the game, would you guess? I could potentially take over, but I'm not sure I could go for another month and a half if it was going that long.
You could backstab me in a few turns and end it for me swiftly. USEC_OFFICER was backing me to the end, but his end is now. If you'd side with me, it could go on a bit longer. depends on how lucky/skillful play our opponents show. Bogarus is definitely the top dog in the game currently. Not by a longshot, but he is and he doesn't have to contend with half the world on his front yard.
Until this turn it was 3v2. You can turn it into a 4v1. After you kill me off? Bogarus is the obvious top dog, Abysia has delusions of grandeur. Neither Pan nor Caelum are really in a position to push for ascension (but what do I know?). Bogarus and Abysia will fight for ultimate victory, whether or not they join up and kill off Pan and Caelum before that is up in the air though.
The short of it:
make it a 4v1 and kill me to submission in 2-10 turns. Followed by a war of indeterminate length against bogarus and/or abysia. It probably won't take long. Bogarus knows what he's doing and is gaining momentum so there's a possibility of a quick steamroll for him. But then again people said that about me a dozen or so turns ago.
Join me and we could be arm wrestling this well past summer holidays.
Oh yeah we're on turn 74 if it didn't get mentioned anywhere.
Post by: Culise on May 22, 2014, 08:46:30 pm
If you can't sub, though, and if we can't find another, I'm more than willing to call it for Jomon.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 22, 2014, 08:51:54 pm
Is as I said, 3v2 and we might be juggling until christmas. 4v1 and I'm quite sure of my doom. I have enough stuff to masterfully obliterate one or two of you. That's why I'm still alive. But 4v1? No way.
Oh yeah Midgård is still alive too. They have one fort that's been sieged by barbarians for a few turns now.
Post by: lijacote on May 23, 2014, 05:31:34 am
At least a month, I'd say, to go. With turns resolving every three days or so, and with no one being within easy reach of throne victory (anymore! :P) without being involved in a war against pretty much everyone, this game could take a while still.
It's strange how power relations change so quickly. Maybe it's only appearances that change! Perhaps Jomon is still the strongest, the most eligible to win -- per chance my topdoggedness is as transient as was his appearance of such! Mayhap this is only a lie to take attention away from himself. Jomon never lies, though, that's what they said...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 23, 2014, 05:59:39 am
But true, it's far from decided if status quo remains.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 24, 2014, 02:23:02 am
Post by: gman8181 on May 24, 2014, 12:03:38 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 24, 2014, 09:24:29 pm
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Post by: Bluerobin on May 24, 2014, 11:06:22 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 25, 2014, 06:25:13 am
Post by: gman8181 on May 25, 2014, 11:30:54 pm
Edit:
Did the previous resident rename all his commanders? No wonder he got burnt out and quit :P.
I'll give this a good look through tonight but it looks like it might take a while to figure out what's going on and what I want to do. Not to mention it's already late tonight and tomorrow and the day after are pretty busy for me but I'll do my best to shoot out a turn within a reasonable time period.
Gasp, the hardest part of subbing for me is reorganizing everything in a way that doesn't drive my screwy head crazy. EVERYTHING MUST BE ORGANIZED. MUST FIND A PURPOSE FOR ALL THESE USELESS THINGS LYING AROUND!
Okay did some basic reorganizing and I'll hopefully be able to fit in some more work tomorrow. BTW everyone feel free to send the new management diplomacy messages begging for mercy or whatever ;). I have only a rudimentary understanding of what's going on right now.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 26, 2014, 04:13:06 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 26, 2014, 09:56:38 am
Did the previous resident rename all his commanders? No wonder he got burnt out and quit :P.
Actually renaming all of my commanders was the fun part. It meant that I could make lame jokes while reviewing what crud I managed to recruit this turn.
Gasp, the hardest part of subbing for me is reorganizing everything in a way that doesn't drive my screwy head crazy. EVERYTHING MUST BE ORGANIZED. MUST FIND A PURPOSE FOR ALL THESE USELESS THINGS LYING AROUND!
Sorry about that. It's probably a consequence of me burning out. For a while there I was definitely just forging artifacts because they looked cool, and not because I had a plan for them. Much more exciting then moving my five billion scouts once more.
Post by: lijacote on May 26, 2014, 11:09:10 am
Edit: Wow, well... that was some turn. Turns out remote attacks can get you a lot of provinces, and that the RNG is a cruel, cruel mistress. More on that tomorrow, unless someone else divulges what has happened.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 27, 2014, 07:12:22 am
Post by: gman8181 on May 27, 2014, 12:16:23 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 27, 2014, 03:47:46 pm
Edit: Wow, well... that was some turn. Turns out remote attacks can get you a lot of provinces, and that the RNG is a cruel, cruel mistress. More on that tomorrow, unless someone else divulges what has happened.
Is this the point where I get to unite the world against you :D
Those graphs remind me about Patala, dreadfully much so. But I do think I have more tools at my disposal than Patala did back in the day. A million mages doesn't hurt either.
Post by: lijacote on May 27, 2014, 05:30:21 pm
Spoiler: Deicide (click to show/hide)
Post by: gman8181 on May 28, 2014, 12:30:07 am
I only wish my predecessor had gotten more astral on the pretender. Rings of wizardry / sorcery are such an amazing asset on any nation and even more so on one with more limited national magic picks. (AND THEY'RE SO TANTALIZINGLY CLOSE WITH THE PRETENDER) Regardless, I'm finding them quite interesting to play.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on May 28, 2014, 09:39:49 am
(AND THEY'RE SO TANTALIZINGLY CLOSE WITH THE PRETENDER)
Thid was my very first MP game, so I looked up old Doms 3 guides for LA Caelum to base my build around. A guide which wanted me to take a Forge Titan that LA Caelum can't get in Doms 4. So... Yeah, designing without understanding pretty much. Probably not my worse mistake I've made though (like 2 drain).
Post by: Culise on June 03, 2014, 08:54:27 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 03, 2014, 09:10:35 pm
Spoiler: The Mistress of Shadow Gate (click to show/hide)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 10, 2014, 05:11:21 pm
Onwards and upwards!
Post by: gman8181 on June 11, 2014, 07:36:21 pm
Post by: Culise on June 11, 2014, 07:46:11 pm
... well I'm both disappointed in myself for having the queen move to 106 instead of 97 and even more disappointed it did so little damage.Ah, that's an oopsie. Yeah, kitting out your SCs before sending them into the teeth of the enemy is probably a good idea. ^_^
Post by: Culise on June 13, 2014, 06:30:45 pm
Bad news: I lost a Queen of Elemental Water and her accompanying force to a concentrated Jomon attack. They now control the entirety of the Eastern Sea, and with it, threaten the entire flank of Bogarus and Pangaea.
Good news: The First Battle of the Grass Den went a bit better than I dared hope.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: lijacote on June 14, 2014, 01:02:15 am
For bravery and butchery beyond the call of duty, the highest honors a foreigner can receive.Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: gman8181 on June 16, 2014, 11:19:39 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 17, 2014, 07:37:36 am
Mmm why didn't he cast storm with his gems. Must have messed up scripting, bleh working two jobs and doing two dominion games is a little overwhelming. I'm not going to quit but I hope this ends soon. :(Had you ticked the box for minimal gem usage? I think that would have prevented him from using a gem to up his level to cast it.
Also: Abandoned Naming Scheme Owl. Wow :D
Spoiler: The Mistress of Shadow Gate II (click to show/hide)
Post by: lijacote on June 19, 2014, 04:01:44 am
Spoiler: The Mistress of Shadow Gate III (click to show/hide)
Post by: gman8181 on June 19, 2014, 11:51:37 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 19, 2014, 01:15:36 pm
Don't worry, I'll keep an eye on it.
Post by: Bluerobin on June 19, 2014, 01:24:21 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 19, 2014, 01:35:59 pm
It's certainly a taste thing, I've seen some people dislike admins who do postponements when they're unasked for. Slows the game I guess. I can kind of see their point. Personally I still dislike stales above all else so liberal postponements are the way we roll this game.
Post by: gman8181 on June 19, 2014, 01:44:07 pm
It's certainly a taste thing, I've seen some people dislike admins who do postponements when they're unasked for. Slows the game I guess.
They'd do better to dislike the players who don't submit their turns in a timely fashion. ;)
Post by: Culise on June 19, 2014, 01:47:22 pm
Yeah, but some of them think the former are accommodating the latter. I'd rather have late turns than a brain-dead AI taking over my friends/opponents, myself; if it's a friend, diplomacy collapses, and if it's an opponent, it squanders their strength in un-fun ways. Besides, brain-dead tactics are my job. <_<It's certainly a taste thing, I've seen some people dislike admins who do postponements when they're unasked for. Slows the game I guess.
They'd do better to dislike the players who don't submit their turns in a timely fashion. ;)
Post by: lijacote on June 19, 2014, 01:50:51 pm
Besides, brain-dead tactics are my job. <_<False modesty, slayer!
Post by: Culise on June 19, 2014, 01:56:54 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 19, 2014, 02:00:28 pm
Alas, air queens are but deathbait in this game.
Post by: Culise on June 19, 2014, 02:06:50 pm
Post by: gman8181 on June 21, 2014, 07:26:17 pm
I mean those last few turns were just really really bad. It's not even like I'm not trying to put effort into the turns, it's just that I barely have any free time and I'm so horribly exhausted all the time. I just don't know if I can keep doing this. It's really starting to just feel like an extra burden on me right now and I keep getting annoyed at myself for doing stupid things I wouldn't do if I wasn't so damn tired.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on June 21, 2014, 08:19:47 pm
Also: Abandoned Naming Scheme Owl. Wow :D
Actually, that's a pretty old Owl. I can't remember whether I named him due to my abandonment of my scout naming scheme, or my mage naming scheme. Originally I named my mages after actual owl species, but eventually dropped that for sarcastic commentary on the turn and mage paths. As shown by all the silly names for A1D2 Harabs.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 21, 2014, 09:39:04 pm
Do speak if you guys feel we'd still be better off with a sub. Either way I'm pretty confident that gman won't be needing to make another turn here, just stay on call to turn yourself AI if we come to that conclusion.
Post by: lijacote on June 22, 2014, 05:53:48 am
Post by: Margrave on June 22, 2014, 11:24:58 am
Nah, if this isn't fun anymore then it wouldn't be fair to make you keep going. Was a heckuva fun fight though.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 22, 2014, 01:01:45 pm
Glad you served us this lategame stretch.
Post by: Culise on June 22, 2014, 01:37:41 pm
Post by: Margrave on June 22, 2014, 10:46:37 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on June 22, 2014, 11:45:26 pm
Post by: Culise on June 26, 2014, 12:44:55 am
Post by: lijacote on June 26, 2014, 11:26:49 am
Post by: Culise on June 26, 2014, 06:06:58 pm
Post by: lijacote on June 28, 2014, 02:11:51 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on July 02, 2014, 03:34:09 am
So naturally Caelum gave his Air Queen a slave matrix :P
Post by: lijacote on July 04, 2014, 06:22:25 am
Post by: tompliss on July 07, 2014, 04:55:06 am
Yet another 20+ hours long turn ...
Post by: lijacote on July 10, 2014, 02:17:56 am
Post by: Culise on July 10, 2014, 10:06:51 am
EDIT:
Yep, I got ripped to pieces, there. I'll have to take some time to rework the orders again, but it looks like it's time to send in another army into the hungry maw of your offensive force. ^_^
Post by: lijacote on July 14, 2014, 05:46:00 am
For the struggle carries on
So come brothers and sisters
For the struggle carries on
The Internationale (http://youtu.be/FGqMMpMkKXs)
Unites the world in song
So comrades come rally
For this is the time and place
The international ideal
Unites the human race.
Post by: Culise on July 14, 2014, 06:48:52 pm
But today, none can say. For as all know, stone cannot speak, though it may yet weep.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on July 14, 2014, 07:19:45 pm
I guess I could have gone AI when I lost my capital without much effect, but eh. Maybe next game. It was my first late game so I didn't really have a plan or the pretender built for stuff. Not that I strictly lost because of that.
Some ramblings about the game from Jomon's perspective:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I decided to compile a few diplomatic tidbits to a different spoiler. It's all paraphrasing, but I guess some might find this interesting.
Spoiler: Diplomacy for Jomon (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Some final words (click to show/hide)
Here's a little something melancholic for those who wish to mourn the passing of their pretenders.
Remix from Chrono Trigger (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlkZYQsGlxg)
I may still remember some things after posting this, but that's my preliminary GG post. Also graphs.
Spoiler: Province Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Fort Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Income Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Gem Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Research Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Dominion Graph (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Army Graph (click to show/hide)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on July 14, 2014, 07:36:09 pm
Also, I wish to remind everyone that I had Drain 2 and still managed to have the 3rd highest research in the game for a long time. What the heck guys?
Also also, I was LA Caelum and didn't instantly die. Yay me.
Post by: Bluerobin on July 14, 2014, 07:54:51 pm
Edit: Thanks for the summary, it was neat to see the charts after it's all said and done. And yeah, I need to be more ruthless and more diplomatic in general, I think. I also need to practice my mid/late game, but there's no good way to do that. Oh well!
Post by: Culise on July 14, 2014, 08:07:51 pm
Ultimately, I finally did manage to latch on to a war against one of my neighbours (Midgard, as it turned out), but in the end, that was too little, too late. I never even got to use my pigeon bombs against Midgard's casters; they ended up going up against a full raiding force, which ended in...ah, flames. And not the good kind, either. ^_^
Post by: Karlito on July 14, 2014, 08:12:50 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on July 14, 2014, 09:34:12 pm
Post by: Margrave on July 14, 2014, 10:07:52 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
How it all went down.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The final war
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
In short that was a helluva fun game that I learned alot about. Especially about not joining three games at once.
Post by: lijacote on July 15, 2014, 03:38:13 am
Spoiler: Grief and glee, and thanks! (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Diplomacy and mountains that bleed ice (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: What won the game (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: The Mistress of Shadow Gate, unfinished (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Post scriptum (click to show/hide)
Post by: Kolbur on July 15, 2014, 09:24:40 am
Maps are always great too. ;D