Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 22, 2014, 07:17:41 am
Link to NationGen:
http://koti.kapsi.fi/~elmokki/dom4/unitgen/
Game name: Bay12GamesRound410 (http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound410)
Map: Peliwyr (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/peliwyr-12718-wraparound)
Mods: Nationgen/Link to .dm & .tga files for the mod our game uses (zipped) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eai2kzkt3zzjlux/nationgen_rune-covered_circle.7z?dl=0)
Era: Nationgen/Middle Era
Disciples: No
Time allowance: 28 hours at start
Special site frequency: 50
Random event frequency: Common
Score graphs: Off
Hall of Fame: 15
Artifact forging limit : Limited
Thrones: 50%+1, level 1's. 8/15
Renaming: Allowed
Research: Normal
Players:
1. Delta Foxtrot
2. tompliss
3. USEC_OFFICER
4. E. Albright
5. lijacote
6. Karlito
7. Culise
8. Boksi -> Subbed out to Darkwind3
9. Bluerobin
Nation selection:
Seed used: Castle of the Sun, seed 1731078640 (standard settings, 100 nations)
Drafting order:
6. Karlito -
5. lijacote - #142 Lissasa /
8. Boksi - #167 Darmekot /
7. Culise -
3. USEC_OFFICER - #162 Dheathig /
9. Bluerobin - #113 Midmatia /
1. Delta Foxtrot - #185 Agor /
2. tompliss - #198 Shangrila /
4. E. Albright -
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A few issues in the game at the time of this match:
-Casting the spell Transformation risks crashing the game. Until they patch it, just don't.
-Flying raiders using the 'raid' command can't be intercepted. They are currently more or less uncounterable. Don't use them. Non-flying raiders are fine.
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Spoiler: Standard info on Dominions 4 for the uninitiated (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: How does PBEM work? (click to show/hide)
Useful links:
Dom4 forums on Desura (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum)
Link to Edi's Dom4 Database (http://www.llamaserver.net/edi/dom4/dom4_db/dom4_db_403.zip)
An archived snapshot of the Dom3 wiki (http://web.archive.org/web/20130118162532/http://dom3.servegame.com/wiki/Main_Page): Yes, it's still relevant, and it hasn't been replaced yet, so... It has loads of useful information, including strategy guides. Keep in mind that while a lot of this information is still very useful and valid, a lot of it is entirely out-of-date.
Llama Server (http://llamaserver.net/): the automatic hosting server for our game.
Llama Server's map and mod browser (http://www.llamaserver.net/createDom4Game.cgi) (Yes, it's not really a browser, but you can browse the maps and mods here)
Dom4 Mod Inspector (http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/) Very useful. You can browse all the nations, items, spells and sites in the game with it.
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Reserves, please confirm you're still in. I'd like to keep this a small game. I believe I suggested 6-8 players in the other thread. I think that's a decent size to aim for. I'll look at maps a little later, I'd like to try one of Pymous' smaller maps, they should fit out planned game size.
I would prefer a site frequency of 50-55, but I could manage as low as 45 (EA default) if people insist.
Throne wise I would prefer a number of level 1 thrones only. Level 3's are OP as hell and 2's give plenty of mages. Normally I wouldn't mind the mages, but I'd like to keep our randomly generated national mages in the spotlight. Exact numbers are up to debate.
I'm really liking the easy research in 408, but I can go with normal if people so desire.
There's still room for people who didn't originally express interest, and those who did may still bow out. Let me know. I would like to get this game started early next week, but if people need more time to generate and try out nations, I suppose I can't force it. Also if anyone has any pointers about adminning a nationgen game, I'd love to hear them.
Post by: tompliss on September 22, 2014, 07:27:41 am
It's not as if my turns were long in 4.07 anyway (just wrecking Pangea's provinces and temple :D )...
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 22, 2014, 07:36:19 am
The only suggestion I have for admining a nationgen game would be to let people be able to change the description/name of their units. Either through getting familiar with the Dominions editor, or shuffling the mod around. Nothing makes a nation feel more personal and special than including your own descriptions and fluff.
Post by: tompliss on September 22, 2014, 07:39:23 am
Also, I wouldn't mind this game not to be a "blitz" (1/4 of the points needed for victory) as we'll be there to play new nations, after all ^^
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 22, 2014, 07:53:55 am
Post by: Puzzlemaker on September 22, 2014, 11:15:38 am
Post by: tompliss on September 22, 2014, 11:25:03 am
If I can't win, I simply make sure my enemies can't win either.
Maybe after a while, those enemies will simply stop trying to attack. After all, they've got more to loose than me, now :)
Post by: Karlito on September 22, 2014, 11:46:56 am
Man, every time I think I'm out, someone pulls me back in. I guess the few days of set-up time will count as my Dominions vacation. Hopefully I'll be able to generate something that matches the glory that was Burburg.
Post by: Culise on September 22, 2014, 11:48:45 am
((And I just realized I haven't played at all since 4.02.))
Post by: Boksi on September 22, 2014, 12:56:28 pm
Post by: lijacote on September 22, 2014, 03:38:07 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 22, 2014, 04:24:34 pm
...
I'm in if there's room!
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 22, 2014, 04:43:39 pm
Feel free to suggest maps, though if we're at 9 I would prefer Peliwyr (http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/peliwyr-12718-wraparound). The one we used at 402. At 8 players I would prefer something a bit smaller.
Should we all just gen whatever we like and play those, or should there be a veto thing to avoid the worst OP entries? I don't really care, but I guess it's worth asking.
edit:
If people find the pretenders-by-monday too strict, I suppose we can give most of next week to testing stuff out and getting back in the game, as it sounds like a few of you have had a bit of a hiatus, short as it may have been. No need to rush the start then.
Post by: moghopper on September 22, 2014, 05:02:30 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 22, 2014, 05:06:21 pm
So... I suppose we have room? Yeah, I'll peg you in. But you would most likely be the last one to join, since I really don't want this to bloat out of control. I've had enough big games for a while.
Post by: moghopper on September 22, 2014, 05:07:40 pm
Post by: tompliss on September 22, 2014, 05:10:11 pm
If people find the pretenders-by-monday too strictI'd say we wait for E. Albright to tell us whether he'll code something before monday, and if so, we get a few more days ?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 22, 2014, 05:19:20 pm
edit:
ohwait it's tuesday. Then yeah, I'd like to stick to a pretenders-by-monday. For some reason I was living in weekend land.
Post by: E. Albright on September 22, 2014, 05:31:37 pm
As to settings, I agree with the call for Level 1 thrones only. I'd say 50% + 1 sounds good for capture conditions (11/20?). I'm not hostile to the higher site settings, though I'd say 50% instead of 55%. Indy mages can completely change a game. Likewise, I'd argue for normal research; if our stated goal is to play the nation, it's better for national troops and mages to stay relevant longer.
WRT nation selection... hrmph. It would be good to have some kind of sanity check on the more ridiculous nations. We should have a conversation about that. I am, however, entertained by the notion of us going in and modding our troop/nation descriptions, though I'd say we want to leave the mage names at least IOT keep the slightly-ridiculous-and-pompous MadLib flavor NG offers in its naming standards. And no, I'm NOT just saying that because I contributed 1/3-1/2 the data for the mage names. ;D But yes, if nothing else we'd end up with a commemorative mod nation set when we were done with the game. :P
tompliss: urm. Gimme until tomorrow to decide if I'm going to be able to (quickly) make the changes I most desperately want to. They'd not be high-visibility ones unless I managed to rework tiered mage generation to better allow for mounted commanders... though OTOH, that'd let me include amazons w/o the compunctions brought on by the pared-down version I gave Elmokki in August.
Post by: E. Albright on September 23, 2014, 03:11:41 am
How are we doing nation generation/selection?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 23, 2014, 05:41:17 am
How are we doing nation generation/selection?
I'm thinking that everyone will generate a nation for themselves and that's that. If that allows for too much shenanigans, we could have some sort of peer review/veto process where everyone will describe their preferred nation-to-be and if it's far too OP (and how would we define that?), we'll force them to pick another nation.
It is worth re-mentioning that I have never played a nationgen game before, so I'm unaware if there's some accepted norm of handling these things.
Post by: E. Albright on September 23, 2014, 05:53:14 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 23, 2014, 06:08:34 am
Also, one note to people using mod inspector to check their nations: it seems some units are shown as having res cost 1 in the inspector while in-game they have a more realistic res cost attached.
Post by: E. Albright on September 23, 2014, 07:27:37 am
Post by: tompliss on September 23, 2014, 07:34:11 am
units marked as unknown sized are size 2 (normal size), and it seems that res cost 1 have the usual auto-calc resource cost (the gold one seems correct), so simply expect heavy armor/cavalry to cost resources.
And yeah, you need to read at least the normal description to check the races/temperature, as those aren't included.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 23, 2014, 11:11:52 am
Post by: Karlito on September 23, 2014, 01:32:34 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 23, 2014, 01:42:50 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 23, 2014, 02:39:24 pm
Yeap, the mod inspector "forgets" some things :
units marked as unknown sized are size 2 (normal size), and it seems that res cost 1 have the usual auto-calc resource cost (the gold one seems correct), so simply expect heavy armor/cavalry to cost resources.
It seems like the mod inspector is also not listing some capital-only sacreds.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 23, 2014, 03:13:19 pm
So I guess I'll gen 10 or more sets of 10 nations and then post the files with some descriptions on the side, afterwhich we'll pick the nations in order that has been predetermined by someone at some point?
We could have some non-participating player run something like the random.org sequencer (http://www.random.org/sequences/) and give us the order in which we pick nations.
Post by: tompliss on September 23, 2014, 03:14:47 pm
Post by: moghopper on September 23, 2014, 04:03:32 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 23, 2014, 05:27:42 pm
Also, Delta, there's no reason we can't trust you to just be fair, is there? Having the admin do the sequencing worked with the draft I ran for 404.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 23, 2014, 06:12:46 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on September 23, 2014, 06:35:01 pm
Each player puts their nations on display, including the key so that other players can generate the nation themselves and make sure everything matches up stat-wise.
Then everyone just votes which nation is the most overpowered.
First place "wins" three staled turns at the beginning of the game.
Second place "wins" two staled turns at the beginning of the game.
Third place "wins" a single staled turn at the beginning of the game.
Time heals all...
Post by: Karlito on September 23, 2014, 06:47:17 pm
Plus it encourages meta-level politicking. For example, I know E. Alright is a strong player, and I also crave revenge against him, so I'd be inclined to vote for him regardless of what nation he chooses. :P
Post by: E. Albright on September 23, 2014, 07:43:37 pm
Right-o. I'll probably get stuff done by tomorrow evening. Unless someone beats me to it.
If you want, I can generate a 100-nation mod and upload it - in fact, I can just upload the seed - in really realz fact, if you want to use it: Castle of the Sun, seed 1731078640 (standard settings, 100 nations) - so we can start picking through it.
We could also have 2-3 rounds of drafting where we all pick our preferred 2-3 nations, and then 1 round of culling where we all get to axe 1 nation each. I'd say 2 rounds of drafting, then the third round everyone eliminates 1 of each other player's nation picks. With 100 nations, there should be enough for all of us to get 2 nations that we'd be willing to play, provided we don't all want hoburg beserker blood cults.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 23, 2014, 09:33:45 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 24, 2014, 05:46:44 am
6. Karlito
5. Shadowgandor
8. Boksi
7. Culise
3. USEC_OFFICER
9. Bluerobin
1. Delta Foxtrot
2. tompliss
4. E. Albright
The list loops back to Karlito once E. Albright has done his pick.
It goes round three times: draft-draft-cull.
After the picks E. Albright bans one of Karlito's nations, Karlito bans one of Shadowgandor's etc..
That's most of it, then?
I'm still not sure which way I lean with regards to score graphs, and whether we want to go for 6/10 thrones or 11/20. I'd probably prefer 6/10, but either's fine. Map is Peliwyr unless good alternatives are shown. Note that Peliwyr has been updated since 402 so a few of you may need to redownload it.
I updated the OP with most of this.
Post by: E. Albright on September 24, 2014, 06:54:23 am
I'll vote in favor of 11/20 or at a minimum, 8/15. 6/10 is too susceptible to blitzing.
Post by: Karlito on September 24, 2014, 08:59:22 am
You guys think 48h is enough go over the generated nations? Probably the way things go it'll take twice as long as that, but we can try to set deadlines.
EDIT: Just so everyone can confirm they've generated the same set the first nation output by the seed is:
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Nation 100: PorwaldYes?
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Race: Humans.
Military: Light infantry and heavy infantry. Archers. Sacred light ranger.
Magic: Water, Nature and Blood.
Priests: Strong.
Post by: tompliss on September 24, 2014, 11:17:22 am
How do you get past the "too many sprites in mod" error, with the 100 nations generated ?
"Simple" cut and past in multiple mods instead of one ?
Better solutions ?
[EDIT] Well, apparently 20 nations is enough not to make dominions crash. It will be enough for he first tests :D
Post by: Karlito on September 24, 2014, 11:34:06 am
Post by: tompliss on September 24, 2014, 12:24:18 pm
- Porwald, for their universal darkvision, jaguar-morphing mages, H3 inquisitors, and sacred snipers with 13 prec 13 damage with every weapon bless possible. Did I tell you their archers become vine Men when wounded ?
- Cirikos, for their easy income with Heat2, cheap reanimators, their high prot lizards, their chariots of the dead (sacred not seen in the inspector), and their forge2 mages with 4.1 paths, who aren't StR nor Cap-only, and a total theorical access to all 8 paths.
- Burton and its fire-shielded 16prot recruit-anywhere sacred infantry, with their nice commander with an average of 15 in HP, prot, atk, def; and their fireball-masters recruit-anywhere mages.
And that only 3 of the 4 first ones :)
Post by: Karlito on September 24, 2014, 12:56:30 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 24, 2014, 02:55:01 pm
EDIT: Just so everyone can confirm they've generated the same set the first nation output by the seed is:
Nation 100: Porwald
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Race: Humans.
Military: Light infantry and heavy infantry. Archers. Sacred light ranger.
Magic: Water, Nature and Blood.
Priests: Strong.
I had an issue with this, but then I realized that I was using an old version (0.4.7). If anyone else has problems, make sure you have the 0.5 version of nationgen.
e:
Which is a shame since I found some pretty awesome nations from the 047 version of the seed. Let's hope there's a few A2 research mages with this batch that have an air elemental battle summon.
Post by: E. Albright on September 24, 2014, 03:11:30 pm
You don't seem to understand : I want to test almost all of them !
To test the first 30-ish, just regen with the same seed but fewer nations.
Delta, upon digging through this last night I'm kinda underwhelmed by this compared to some seeds I've seen, but that's just luck of the draw, and possibly my personal preferences at that. There are a few A2-Tier-1 nations IIRC, though. [Edit: wait, no, there aren't. Oops.]
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 24, 2014, 03:18:52 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 24, 2014, 03:30:58 pm
I don't really have anything in particular in mind, but if you or someone else so desire, feel free to gen a few more sets and if something looks to be better than our current offering, post it up and we'll use that. I would like to have a suitable seed by friday, since drafting will probably take a while to go through. Other than that I don't really mind one way or the other.
Post by: Karlito on September 24, 2014, 03:32:58 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 24, 2014, 03:37:37 pm
I say we stick with the mess I generated. We've already had people start digging through it, and selecting another seed because one player has found the nation of their dreams is kinda a bad idea, not least because unless they're Karlito the switch isn't even necessarily going to make them happy due to the draft. If the seed is one or two "better" nations (who will likely get vetoed if they're that much obviously better) and ninety-eight or nine "as good or worse" nations, net happiness isn't going to be increased by swapping to a different set and starting digging through it anew.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 24, 2014, 03:47:48 pm
So the seed as posted is the one we're going with. Dig through, find a few you like. And once Karlito has found his #1 pick, he'll post that. Then Shadowgandor, then whoever was third and so on. I'll try to keep the OP as up to date as possible with drafted nations. If you people need until weekend to properly look through the nations, I suppose I can't deny that. But I would not mind to get this game started early next week, as opposed to late next week.
Post by: Karlito on September 24, 2014, 05:12:54 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 24, 2014, 05:18:35 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 24, 2014, 05:28:42 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 24, 2014, 06:29:40 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 24, 2014, 10:46:19 pm
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 01:11:26 am
Post by: Shadowgandor on September 25, 2014, 04:31:43 am
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 04:38:16 am
PS: oh god, there is an hoburg nations with Cave-men riders ! :D
(Ingvaburg for those interested)
[edit]"The Dophalean Mechanized Cavalry rides mechanical mosquitos". Why can't I access the game now ? :(
[EDIT]
So, just checking I understood correctly : Each of us pick one nation, then each of us pick one nation, then each of us ban a nation of the "previous" player ?
So we basically decide which nation the "previous" player plays (out of 2 of his favorites) ? :p
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 25, 2014, 07:39:00 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 25, 2014, 08:23:00 am
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 08:27:13 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 25, 2014, 08:41:57 am
Post by: lijacote on September 25, 2014, 09:12:26 am
Ah, you'd like eight players. Well, maybe I'd better bow out then. I'll wait for your judgment, though.
Post by: Boksi on September 25, 2014, 10:06:56 am
I'm not waiting for Karlito to see whether the 30 nations that seem nice actually are nice, personally :p
I'm not waiting either. I'm just eager to finalize my selection to focus on making a good pretender for a single nation, that's all.It's like neither of you know how to procrastinate at all. Sheesh.
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 10:57:36 am
Post by: Culise on September 25, 2014, 11:15:14 am
I always wanted to learn, but I simply never got around to it.I'm not waiting for Karlito to see whether the 30 nations that seem nice actually are nice, personally :pI'm not waiting either. I'm just eager to finalize my selection to focus on making a good pretender for a single nation, that's all.It's like neither of you know how to procrastinate at all. Sheesh.
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2014, 11:45:57 am
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 12:00:37 pm
You'll pick 2 nations and one of them will be banned.
First "turn", everybody picks a nation, second "turn" everybody picks another nation, third "turn" everybody bans one of the 2 nations of the "next" player in the list.
If you're going for meta-strat, you should pick 2 nations that are objectively good, but also good against one another (as the one you get banned from your picks will not be played at all).
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 25, 2014, 03:24:46 pm
I'd like to take Shadowgandor's place, seeing as how my games are all falling apart. :P Unless it's too late, of course.
Ah, you'd like eight players. Well, maybe I'd better bow out then. I'll wait for your judgment, though.
And we have nine. Just right for Peliwyr. Saves me the trouble of picking a new map. I'll put you in shadowgandor's spot.
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 03:33:31 pm
If you're going for meta-strat, you should pick 2 nations that are objectively good, but also good against one another (as the one you get banned from your picks will not be played at all).
There's also the meta-strat of "which do they think is stronger" when picking your nation to ban, which could lead to a "do I think someone else will pick it if I wait to use my second pick vs. do I think my preference for it will be too clear if I pick it first" calculation. That, or I'm overthinking things...
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 03:35:30 pm
I don't think there are many no-start provinces.
If we're going for numerous thrones (15-20), it's really easy to get a really bad start. during my tests, I had many times where I had only 1 viable land province nearing my capital (throne provinces, swamps, water provinces,...).
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2014, 03:48:58 pm
lijacote is next
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 04:05:01 pm
My 139 is named Maremar.
When you start Nationgen, do you have the line about it being in "version 0.5.0 (2nd of July 2014)" ?
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2014, 04:07:47 pm
EDIT: That's super weird, because we clearly have all the other same nations in the pool. I have Ingvaburg, Dolphale, Burton...
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 25, 2014, 04:14:25 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 04:14:32 pm
A thought that shouldn't matter, but... what OS are you folks running? Win7x64 here.
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2014, 04:19:14 pm
This my my descriptions.txt file (http://pastebin.com/b8FRFMKs). Think a few of you could put yours up as well (especially the Maremar people)? We can run a diff and see how much the generation varied.
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 04:20:43 pm
[Edit:
[E2: description file w/Maremar@139 (http://pastebin.com/BJ4wiqY9)]
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 25, 2014, 04:26:44 pm
Post by: tompliss on September 25, 2014, 04:30:08 pm
I think it would be better if soemone uploaded his files to make sure everybody is talking about the same nations.
Link to the zip (https://www.dropbox.com/s/80bmd8opoxmpwi1/nationgen_ng-hundred.zip?dl=0)
[EDIT] zipped the whole folder + dm file : everything needed to launch the mod, and/or generate the nations (gen seed is in the dm file)
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 04:31:45 pm
And yeah, if you scroll down the lists side-by-side they'll be identical, identical, different, identical...
126 is really weird - everything's the same in the descriptions but the name and the elite units.
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 04:51:24 pm
You guys have Sidhe turned on. Default 0.5.0 has Sidhe turned off. Go turn off Sidhe in your races.txt and you'll gen our mod.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 25, 2014, 05:08:29 pm
Code: [Select]
---- Don't use just tab, you need to have at least one space bar between the arguments.
#load ./data/races/humans.txt
#load ./data/races/lizards.txt
#load ./data/races/atlantian.txt
#load ./data/races/agarthans.txt
#load ./data/races/hoburg.txt
#load ./data/races/abysian.txt
#load ./data/races/caelians.txt
#load ./data/races/machakans.txt
#load ./data/races/tengu.txt
#load ./data/races/monkeys.txt
#load ./data/races/zotz.txt
#load ./data/races/fomorians.txt
#load ./data/races/orientalhuman.txt
#load ./data/races/vanir.txt
-- #load ./data/races/sidhe.txtSo I guess Karlito needs to redo his first pick? Bummer. But at least everyone should now have the up to date NationGen with up to date settings.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 25, 2014, 05:09:08 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2014, 05:56:22 pm
You guys have Sidhe turned on. Default 0.5.0 has Sidhe turned off. Go turn off Sidhe in your races.txt and you'll gen our mod.
That's quite strange. I didn't make any changes to the generation options.
EDIT EDIT: Okay, two of my top five no longer exist, so I'm going to say I'll have a pick ready by tomorrow afternoon.
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 06:16:53 pm
(To clarify, an army of 1000 fliers raiding will never be intercepted, but if they add one single non-flier, they can be trivially intercepted. Any pure flier raiding force can raid with impunity.)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 25, 2014, 06:20:20 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2014, 06:23:58 pm
Oh, Delta, something you might want to add to the list of unacceptable exploits: right now (and bug reports for the next patch haven't been greened out yet, either) fliers who raid can never be intercepted. I don't know if we have anyone interested in raiding in our game, but in any case, we really don't want anyone using pure-flier forces to do so.
Could you elaborate on that a bit? I'm looking at a few flying nations.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 25, 2014, 06:32:35 pm
Fliers however can't be caught. They raid, kill a ton of pop and raise a lot of unrest. A few flying raiders can quickly shut down a province at virtually no risk. It's a niche thing, but if you happen to be fighting Caelum in vanilla and they're a douche, you're screwed.
Post by: Karlito on September 25, 2014, 07:22:45 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 07:44:08 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 25, 2014, 09:54:35 pm
Post by: tompliss on September 26, 2014, 02:29:07 am
I think I may have some of those flying raiders.
I'm surely not forced to use them, but their raiding bonus may be accounted for, in their price, and most of them are Caelian (so already pricey for what they're worth)... :/
Post by: lijacote on September 26, 2014, 06:17:28 am
(I'm waiting on Karlito now)
Post by: Karlito on September 26, 2014, 11:34:26 am
Post by: tompliss on September 26, 2014, 11:47:13 am
Very heavy in the astral even if their cap-only mage is really expensive (but really useful), and they have a nice comm slave.
Nothing heavily armored, but unicorn cavalry, and stealthy sacred. The inspector doesn't show any non-sacred commander, though.
Post by: Karlito on September 26, 2014, 11:49:55 am
Post by: tompliss on September 26, 2014, 11:52:15 am
(why are we talking about Pythium ?)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 26, 2014, 12:03:36 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on September 26, 2014, 12:30:37 pm
Edit: Same goes for deathrec looking maybe broken, although that might just be the mod loader not understanding the command, now that I think about it.
Post by: lijacote on September 26, 2014, 01:12:30 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 26, 2014, 01:24:30 pm
Next up Boksi.
Post by: E. Albright on September 26, 2014, 04:10:47 pm
Edit: Same goes for deathrec looking maybe broken, although that might just be the mod loader not understanding the command, now that I think about it.
Pretty sure I've seen deathrec in-game on NG nations. I'll look at the other one though.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 26, 2014, 04:20:13 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 26, 2014, 05:27:00 pm
[Edit: data file error. Just find/replace magepearls with makepearls in data/filters/default_magefilters_no_shapechange.txt, default_magefilters.txt, and magefilters_fomorians.txt. You can fix it yourself if you want; it shouldn't break seeds since it's just changing output text.]
Post by: Boksi on September 27, 2014, 09:57:17 am
Spoiler: Thought Process (click to show/hide)
Post by: tompliss on September 27, 2014, 10:05:29 am
Heavy-ish hybrid javelins/chakrm troops, stealthy sacred unrester everywhere, a bit of a communion, nice magic, and a really cheap unarmored archer. They even have some nice heros, and access to the indian pretender. Nice one ._.
Post by: Culise on September 27, 2014, 10:52:54 am
OK, then, let's go with #115: Tejayapur.
Spoiler: Thoughts (click to show/hide)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 27, 2014, 11:06:29 am
Post by: Culise on September 27, 2014, 11:08:17 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on September 27, 2014, 12:02:14 pm
EDIT: I just picked Giant EA Ermor, didn't I? Heavy infantry, lack of archers, recruit everywhere StR mages. Fire, Air, Astral and Death... Giant Ermor best Ermor.
Post by: Bluerobin on September 27, 2014, 12:03:49 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 27, 2014, 12:34:13 pm
Post by: tompliss on September 27, 2014, 01:11:55 pm
Post by: lijacote on September 27, 2014, 01:32:39 pm
#198 Shangrila for me, then.Good choice in many ways :P
Quote from: Wikipedia
Shangri-La is a fictional place described in the 1933 novel Lost Horizon by British author James Hilton. Hilton describes Shangri-La as a mystical, harmonious valley, gently guided from a lamasery, enclosed in the western end of the Kunlun Mountains. Shangri-La has become synonymous with any earthly paradise, and particularly a mythical Himalayan utopia — a permanently happy land, isolated from the outside world. In the novel Lost Horizon, the people who live at Shangri-La are almost immortal, living years beyond the normal lifespan and only very slowly aging in appearance. The word also evokes the imagery of exoticism of the Orient. In the ancient Tibetan scriptures, existence of seven such places is mentioned as Nghe-Beyul Khembalung.[1] Khembalung is one of several beyuls ("hidden lands" similar to Shangri-La) believed to have been created by Padmasambhava in the 8th century as idyllic, sacred places of refuge for Buddhists during times of strife (Reinhard 1978).(http://i.gyazo.com/2b11130c511f698d16593e4f854cacad.png)
Those Masters of Earth are riding scorpion beasts!
Post by: tompliss on September 27, 2014, 01:50:59 pm
(I think that's one of the only race with a name that is a direct reference. would it be random luck ?)
Post by: Karlito on September 27, 2014, 02:57:40 pm
Post by: E. Albright on September 27, 2014, 03:50:55 pm
Argh, ya rotten lousy wretches! I had 10 candidate nations, and d'ya know how many of them you picked?
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...one. You picked one. You lot were supposed to make my choice easier, but could ya even do that? Nooooooo...
So the question is, do I hedge and take what I kinda want to hide what I really, really want? Do I take what I really want because the other nine of my picks could go in the next round? Do I take what I should want if I was being responsible, but don't because I want something reckless? Do I take something "fun and unbalanced"?
I'll probably regret this for one of the reasons alluded to above, but... #173 Abarea - Snowy Canyon (-1633290350).
Post by: Mindmaker on September 27, 2014, 03:55:40 pm
Could we at some point get a sort of overview of what the nations that end up being played look like?
Post by: tompliss on September 27, 2014, 04:10:39 pm
I'll try to post soemthing about the nations, mindmaker, as I think I'll create a test game with each one to try and see what they're good at ^^
Post by: E. Albright on September 27, 2014, 04:12:07 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 27, 2014, 04:33:17 pm
We could just go with what we have, let people really test drive builds for the weekend and be ready to roll early next week.
Post by: E. Albright on September 27, 2014, 04:40:24 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 27, 2014, 04:46:37 pm
Post by: Karlito on September 27, 2014, 05:45:04 pm
Post by: lijacote on September 27, 2014, 06:46:52 pm
First, I'll mention the sacred Divine Guard and the Divine Master. They are both equipped with shields, obsidian club swords, scale mail hauberks, and they both turn into water elementals when they die, which are sacred as well. Pictured is the size (and crispness!) of the water elemental in comparison with the rather sizable (yet surprisingly weak, at strength 7) bat-humans. The Guard have very good stats otherwise, at 14 defence and 14 attack, and a whopping 15 magic resistance, and +2 to the attack and defence statistics for the Master (or commander) variant. If you squint, you can see pixelated dicks. #worthit. Also, there are no H3s.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
The mages, though, are what initially piqued my interest. The vapormancers. Pictures linked, stats and boils and all.
The Neophyte Withering Vapormancer (http://gyazo.com/d33fcee12474e5d86b03e170f7fdd467)
Apprencite Withering Vapormancer (http://gyazo.com/32cc347b258952d9d7fc69afcd001e8e) The randoms are 110% WEDB
Arch Withering Vapormancer (http://gyazo.com/26be9e6e44354c185b559ef9297f31e6) The randoms are 110% WEDB (this will have to be changed to Withering Archvapormancer, maybe)
Everyone outside of the neophyte is Old Age, but with levels in Death magic, I'm hoping they are alright with that. They all ignore Drain scales (for casting spells as well, if I'm reading the game right). They are all blind, too. The Arch Withering Vapormancer is sacred, which is cool for upkeep (costs less a year than an apprentice does) and a potential mage bless. Since they are blind and old, though, they're very, very, very easy pickings for anyone who gets a chance at trying to hit them. Good thing they get to start in a cave, right? Right? :P
Like with my previous pick, I went with death. Because damn it I want a game where I get to use death. 408 doesn't count because I'm dead soon. In any case, I am happy with the picks I got to make, since I would like to play with either of them. Of the two, I think the bats might be less broken, in having very low strength across the board, and no prot 32 chariots.
Post by: E. Albright on September 27, 2014, 11:24:42 pm
Post by: tompliss on September 28, 2014, 02:01:07 am
I don't know whether there are any nation of zots capable of casting it, but the Solar Brillance spell (burn the retinas of everyone, and burn the undead/demons; S5, enchant7) should be really good with them : they've got blindsense.
It means that you apply a -9 to atk/def/prec to every enemy, without loosing anything yourself (except 5+ astral gems and putting fatigue on the caster).
But centering a nation's strategy around a high level spell may not be the best idea anyway.
Post by: Boksi on September 28, 2014, 08:21:34 am
Not to be confused with nation #197, which is also named Agarhan.
Also, correcting a typo, my first nation pick is Darmerkot, not Damerkot.
Post by: tompliss on September 28, 2014, 08:44:07 am
And nearly everything is amphibious (even if I don't like their drake cavalry).
Post by: E. Albright on September 28, 2014, 09:17:41 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 28, 2014, 09:29:36 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 29, 2014, 11:53:44 am
Post by: Bluerobin on September 29, 2014, 11:54:40 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on September 29, 2014, 11:56:04 am
Post by: Bluerobin on September 29, 2014, 11:57:26 am
Post by: Culise on September 29, 2014, 12:26:15 pm
However, you all don't have to worry about this going on. Part of the delay was because I only recently learned that I'll soon have all the time in the world for this game, as well as even more. And that's all I have to say on *that* matter. <_<
Post by: Bluerobin on September 29, 2014, 12:28:11 pm
But yeah, I won't be ready to make my pick for another 6-7 hours anyway, so... no huge hurry.
Post by: Culise on September 29, 2014, 02:39:09 pm
Post by: lijacote on September 29, 2014, 06:54:45 pm
Post by: tompliss on September 30, 2014, 03:09:52 am
Has anyone tried Kinania (#170) ?
I wonder how the game handles this unit :
(http://puu.sh/bTJJS/1cc8cc2d02.png)
With its massive old age, the penalties directly makes most of its stats in the negative, and the Devil form is even more affected by that, having even negative HP.
I think I saw somewhere else a unit with negative HP in a wounded or dying shape, and they would simply not use this shape at all.
It's a pity if it doesn't work, as the prices seem to take the extra shape in account, and as it would be really nice to have Devils summoning even more devils :D
(Also note how ironic it is to have Devil shape-changer who wield sacred pitchers :P )
Post by: E. Albright on September 30, 2014, 03:54:10 am
Post by: tompliss on September 30, 2014, 04:06:53 am
However, I think they're the only ones with negative stats in normal form.
You have the seed for Kinania in the DM files, so you can generate it again, but the old ae seems to be linked to the shape-change, as they have similar mages without the shape-change and with normal age (bit of old age for big mages, and younger low magic mages).
Post by: E. Albright on September 30, 2014, 05:46:57 am
OTOH, it seems quite likely that the shapechanging filter is intimately involved with the problems, so it'll mostly be my inexperience with the code that'll make it hard to track down (assuming it is), rather than deep obscurity, or a difficulty in figuring out where to look for the problems in the program.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 01, 2014, 10:31:01 am
Anyways, Culise and me must be on the same wavelength or something, for our nation picks are both based on the same criteria. I'm going with #195: Aralpakbad, or communion Caelum. Yelling CAW CAW while flying a communion deep into enemy territory is just too appealing for me to ignore. Of course their troops suck, but that's nothing new with Caelum.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 01, 2014, 10:39:42 am
Post by: lijacote on October 01, 2014, 11:32:11 am
Sorry for taking so long to pick, I was busy yesterday and my other choices weren't as good as I thought when I play tested them.I hope I get to play the bats against those birds.
Anyways, Culise and me must be on the same wavelength or something, for our nation picks are both based on the same criteria. I'm going with #195: Aralpakbad, or communion Caelum. Yelling CAW CAW while flying a communion deep into enemy territory is just too appealing for me to ignore. Of course their troops suck, but that's nothing new with Caelum.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 01, 2014, 03:13:09 pm
Non-cap H3's, cheap A2's and Japanese gear. Cap only but not sacred jaguar cavalry. Also their only sacreds are the priests, no troops, no mage-priests.
Post by: tompliss on October 01, 2014, 03:18:22 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 01, 2014, 03:25:48 pm
Post by: tompliss on October 01, 2014, 03:34:15 pm
By the way, Delta foxtrot, every genned nation has a sacred unit, even Zenken, and even if the inspector doesn't show it :)
Their description says they have "Sacred light infantry".
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 01, 2014, 03:43:54 pm
Even if the order could matter a bit for the bans, I don't think it matters that much, right ?
Probably not, but I find it's easier to give people clear instructions. Lessens the risk of them stumbling about in disorder and chaos.
Good call about the sacreds. I've done my nation picks with mod inspector, I don't mind getting surprised with the specifics when I load-up whatever I'm graced with.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 01, 2014, 04:39:22 pm
--- Capital only, Sacred, resistances_high and invulnerable (5)
Yeah they're pretty good, actually. 5 less damage from pretty much every damage source I think, although they're capital only and their equipment is pretty limited.
Post by: Karlito on October 01, 2014, 06:05:53 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 01, 2014, 06:34:28 pm
Also, let's not go with #106: Nagabal, Rule of the Recruitable S6 Mages. Karlito, your turn to be a spoilsport.
Post by: Karlito on October 01, 2014, 07:06:13 pm
In the interest of monopolizing the skies, I think I'll give the big thumbs down to Miatepec.
Post by: E. Albright on October 01, 2014, 07:29:17 pm
Post by: tompliss on October 02, 2014, 01:33:14 am
I'll ban #173 Abarea and let you #130 Illen (you forgot the 0 in 130 earlier), as I kind of want to see how we'll handle you with 40g 7rp drain-immune researchers and 160g fireball spammers :D
(I know it's not my turn to ban, but I know I'll ban this one already)
PS: I love how Nationgen sometimes generate the heaviest troop of a nation as ranged unit : Illen has 20prot crossbowmen (with length1 axes preventing them from being used as LA Man's Defenders), but no infantry with prot higher than 15 with viable weapon :P
Post by: E. Albright on October 02, 2014, 04:59:08 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 02, 2014, 05:13:32 am
(I know it's not my turn to ban, but I know I'll ban this one already)
It's not like the order of banning matters like it did when we were picking nations.
I'll be taking #125 Dholgar away from tompliss.
Let's see how you handle an A/E nation of Agarthans and Abysians :D
Post by: Bluerobin on October 02, 2014, 09:02:31 am
Invulnerable is non-magical only, and it'll only partially stack with armor, as all natural protection does, but still useful.Well there's resistances_high as well, which afaik is cold/fire/shock resist 5.
Also, since order doesn't seem to be a thing for bans, I'm going to say no #112: Zenken for Delta Foxtrot. Mages that autosummon air elementals, big path diversity, and healers are scary, but 4A mages that can be communion masters, 3H recruitable anywhere priests and cheap researchers are scarier.
Post by: lijacote on October 02, 2014, 05:20:05 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 02, 2014, 05:49:10 pm
Post by: Culise on October 02, 2014, 06:04:44 pm
Aralpakbad: Cheaper mages have a shot at 5 paths (1/8 chance) and a bare minimum of 1, including good communion stack potential due to shared paths. Lots of blasty-spark stuff. Massive amounts of H3s running around. Tremendous mobility.
Oy vey, but it's the mobility that clinches it for me; the ability to drop a defended communion stack three provinces behind the borders at will just scares me. Sorry, USEC, but I'm going to have to say nay to Aralpakbad.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 02, 2014, 06:28:57 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 02, 2014, 06:42:46 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 02, 2014, 07:18:04 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 02, 2014, 07:59:28 pm
Edit: Hmm testing out my hydras and after taking some damage instead of losing a head one of them suddenly morphed into a scout. The scout had 60-something HP, so it was definitely the hydra, there was just something... really wrong. I checked the mod and it literally just copies the normal hydra as far as I could tell (and it looked fine in the mod inspector) so I have no idea what's wrong. The Midmatia I'm testing should be fairly normal because all I did was gen the normal Castle of the Sun except with 10 nations, then plugged it into the Dom4 mods folder.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 02, 2014, 09:02:07 pm
Also, I just realized that since we get to change the description of our units and their names too, but outside of differentiating the units with identical names we probably shouldn't touch them and pick the name/form of our pretender, we have an excellent oppertunity to fit them into our nation. So instead of being vague we can say "So-and-So smited the evildoers of the land and everybody flocked to his religion." Or something like that. You know what I'm trying to say.
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And of course now I have to think of a way to use this knowledge in a ceative way.
Post by: E. Albright on October 03, 2014, 12:44:56 am
and their names too, but outside of differentiating the units with identical names we probably shouldn't touch them
I was actually going to get kinda aggressive with this. There's pretty much three areas where NationGen produces distinctive names: elites, sacred/sacred commanders, and above all mages. To a limited degree, priests also get renamed, and to a very, very limited degree, line units get small amounts of consideration based on equipment. However, priests will always just be a generic title (albeit one drawn from a broad pool), plus possibly a tier adjective. Very pointedly, mundane commander and scout/spy/assassin units all pick from pools of 10 or 15 total (I wanna say 4 for mediocre commanders, 4 for good commanders, and literally just scout/spy/assassin for the other three).
My plan for Illen was to take the 5 "Illenese Infantry" and the 7 other slightly more varied normal units and give them more flavorful and distinctive names (mostly breaking things down along human/lizard lines). Priests would get a modifying clause (derived from the nation's random flavor text) to make my Initiates, Priests, and High Priests distinct from everyone else's. Mundane commanders would be massaged in keeping with any changes to the units they're derived from. Elites, sacreds, and mages would be unchanged (name-wise, anyway; fluff text is another story). Heroes would get extremely distinct, no-way-you-should-mistake-this-for-a-normal-commander titles.
As long as everything remains fairly distinct and clear, and no unit-casualty-report-mixing shenanigans are performed, renaming basic units and basic commanders (and branding priests, even if they're not actually entirely renamed) will probably make things more flavorful while reducing ambiguity, not increasing it.
Edit: Hmm testing out my hydras and after taking some damage instead of losing a head one of them suddenly morphed into a scout. The scout had 60-something HP, so it was definitely the hydra, there was just something... really wrong.
Fun. I'll have a look.
Post by: tompliss on October 03, 2014, 01:20:25 am
Oh, about names and descriptions and stuff :
I think we should state the special things about our units that may not be in their icons and stuff :
In my banned nation, my sacred units had a werewolf wounded shape. This alone boosted their usefulness to a point where I built a pretender specifically for them (a F6B4 Moloch, for bonus atk and damage both to the normal and the werewolf forms).
In my real nation, I have a False-army tag on many mages (works as the items that makes the enemy believe there are more units). It's something you can see in the Inspector, but nowhere else.
I think we should have a little sentence in the end of the units descriptions for those who have something like that (wounded/dying shape, special abilities without icons, etc...).
Post by: E. Albright on October 03, 2014, 02:26:59 am
Oh, about names and descriptions and stuff :
I think we should state the special things about our units that may not be in their icons and stuff :
I wholeheartedly agree. I will e.g. include verbiage in my sacreds' description indicating that they have a dyingshape of "minor fire elemental", albeit in a somewhat more poetic manner than that.
Okay, so. Hydras. Grr. Hydras are special, and NG isn't acknowledging that. I'll have to see about fixing that in the source. In the mean time, a manual fix is very, very easy. Here's what you should do for now, and what you'll need to do in the final version of the mod to ensure they work right:
Open your .dm file for the mod in a text editor. Search for "Graveyard of Desire". It should take you to something like this:
Quote from: .dm
--- Sites for nation 10X: Midmatia
#newsite 1XXX
#level 0
#rarity 5
#path 0
#name "Graveyard of Desire"
#homecom 3XXX --- Arch Drowned Pyromancer
#homemon 3XXX ---UNNAMED
#gems 0 2
#gems 2 1
#gems 5 2
#end
This is the definition of one of your capital sites, and UNNAMED is the offending Hydra. All of the XXXs are numbers that'll vary based on what other nations were generated before yours in your particular mod. All you need to do is change "#homemon 3XXX ---UNNAMED" to "#homemon 1831 ---UNNAMED" and you'll be fine - unit id 3XXX is just a copy of unit id 1831, so this way you'll recruit Hydras instead of copies-of-Hydras. You won't be able to customize their descriptions or change their names, but OTOH when they take damage they'll transform into unit 1832, not unit 3XXX+1, which just so happens to be your national scout...
(Sorry if that was overly simplistic or pedantic; I don't know how familiar you are with .dm files.)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 03, 2014, 03:40:27 am
Post by: Boksi on October 03, 2014, 04:09:21 am
Post by: E. Albright on October 03, 2014, 05:23:03 am
Spoiler: Final seed sequence (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Basic nation overviews (click to show/hide)
Now all that's left to do is generating some fluff, manually fixing one or two NationGen bugs, submitting pretenders, and killing each other.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 03, 2014, 05:41:11 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 03, 2014, 11:59:26 am
"Welcome to Midmatia, Era of the Terrestrial. Our mages are quite good at water, earth, and blood magic, so of course they are given the designation 'Pyromancer'. Only those who sacrifice a portion of their innate magic to the realm of the dead truly live up to the name, though."
...Actually that last bit is pretty decent.
Edit: Ok, so writing lore is actually turning out to be really fun. USEC's idea of directly incorporating the pretender is turning out nicely as well!
Edit2: This is also the most work I've ever put into developing a strategy ahead of time, which is weird given the context of the game. I doubt it'll have much of an impact on how well I do, but it's a fun exercise for me at least.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 03, 2014, 02:27:33 pm
I prefer 8/15 because I feel that's a decent compromise between 5/9 (H3 throneblitz!) and 11/20 (sloggity slogslog). If anyone has play experience or compelling theorycraft to convince me otherwise, by all means convince me. I'm easy.
Also I'm repeating myself but make sure you have the latest version of Peliwyr.
Post by: tompliss on October 03, 2014, 02:32:18 pm
I usually don't end with throne near the capital except when there are really many neighbouring provinces :)
I think we should state something about trades :
I usually go for the dom4mods classic : real trades are binding (real trades are those including only gold, gem, and/or items). The rest of the diplomacy is not.
Post by: Karlito on October 03, 2014, 02:36:40 pm
I usually go for the dom4mods classic : real trades are binding (real trades are those including only gold, gem, and/or items). The rest of the diplomacy is not.
Isn't that how we always play here? I'm pretty sure it's in the OP somewhere.
Post by: tompliss on October 03, 2014, 02:38:13 pm
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Trade agreements are sacred. Once you decided to exchange some gems/items/gold, you MUST fulfill your side of the agreement.
No constrains on diplomacy. You can attack anyone you want, with or without warning. It would be, however, in good taste not to rush another player at the very begining of the game. We're all trying to have a good time playing this.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 03, 2014, 02:44:54 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 03, 2014, 03:00:41 pm
I sort of prefer the cheaper, crappier forts version of Samarir, which I get when vanilla nations are not hidden, but which one are we using?
EDIT:
Related to this maybe?
FYSA, found an NG bug. It's something we can easily fix manually, but we'll definitely need to do so if anyone picks one of the nations suffering from it. 2/100 nations (133 and 139) have "#fortera 4", which will need to be toned down to "#fortera 3" unless we want them cranking out Crystal Citadels...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 03, 2014, 04:54:27 pm
I would like to avoid a dragon this time, but we'll see. Sacred evokers really cry for an air bless too.
edit:
@E. Albright
My Agor has three sets of seemingly identical boar riders, only the id number is different (3163-3165). I don't mind it but I guess it's an issue you'd like to be aware of seeing how you fiddle with the code.
Post by: E. Albright on October 03, 2014, 06:36:46 pm
Shouldn't be related to the fortera bug. Also shouldn't be happening, though; hiding default nations (which is the standard option, and we've been saying standard options, so I'm assuming we're hiding them, and you'll have to suck it up and settle for fortera 2 like the other 5/9s of us :P (though you can still thumb your nose at the 4 who have fortera 3)) or not should be completely deterministic, and have absolutely no effect on anything but itself. Ugh. Thanks for the report on that; that smacks of convoluted, subtle errors.
Delta:
Without looking at your boar riders, I'd put money on them not actually being identical. They probably have different hair colors. Yes, seriously. :P Known bug, and fixing it (i.e., making the hair slot something that unit variations can't pivot on) is definitely on the to-do list.
Post by: tompliss on October 04, 2014, 07:56:10 am
Post by: E. Albright on October 04, 2014, 05:06:39 pm
Post by: lijacote on October 04, 2014, 05:15:41 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 04, 2014, 05:35:18 pm
I have one that breaks me into water, Bluerobin has one that breaks them into astral, and Boksi has one that brings death 1/4 games. Three of us can get level 4 casters from heroes, and five can get levels 3+.
Post by: tompliss on October 05, 2014, 04:57:51 am
the generated Shagrila has one Hero, but he doesn't show up in the investigator.
If you use the 9 seeds generation, the Hero is ID #3202, and I think I've already got him (killed) in one of my tests.
Post by: E. Albright on October 05, 2014, 06:25:01 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 05, 2014, 07:24:34 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 05, 2014, 07:28:23 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 05, 2014, 08:04:55 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
I just copied that bit over the Dousheim part of my .dm and the test game I started seems to have all the changes working at a glance.
Post by: E. Albright on October 05, 2014, 08:36:40 pm
Spoiler: Illen, Obelisk of Flowing Magma (click to show/hide)
(I edited #descr and #brief out of that heap. I could probably stand to edit #summary to make it more descriptive as well, but it gets the job done in its original form.)
(Gah, I need to get off my duff and do the other half of my units. I finished making predators/sobek nations for NG this morning, so that distraction is gone; if I can just keep my grubby little paws away from my IDE and the data files, I should be able to get this done...)
Post by: Karlito on October 05, 2014, 08:49:04 pm
What sort of ETA can I expect on those descriptions?I plan to have mine done tomorrow afternoon. Tonight is a possibility.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 05, 2014, 09:54:21 pm
Post by: lijacote on October 06, 2014, 02:05:19 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bluerobin on October 06, 2014, 02:38:47 pm
Post by: tompliss on October 06, 2014, 04:38:26 pm
my priest is suppoed to have the "sailing" attribute.
In fact, he has it (and Agor's priest has it too), but without argument so that the game (and the inspector) doesn't use it.
I'm saying it more to report it as a bug than anything else (I don't want a sailing commander who can only lead 10 units...) ;)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 06, 2014, 04:54:30 pm
Would be an awful shame if a dozen devils or wights hit a coast here or there, heh.
Post by: tompliss on October 06, 2014, 04:57:26 pm
And if it were the classic size2, they would be priests who can't travel with sacred units :/
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 06, 2014, 05:08:38 pm
I just can't for the life of me remember if you get any awesome elite troops to raid with. Certainly none from the Agarthan side :P
Good catch with the size limit, I completely forgot to check how large units my priests can sail with. Might put a damper on my devil express.
Post by: tompliss on October 06, 2014, 05:12:51 pm
They have the sailing tag, but without argument it's not even considered by the game, IIRC.
If we're editing them to have the classic "size 2 and as much as they can lead", then I don't think I'll use mine (I have amphibious troops to attack from the sea after all, even if that's much less sneaky). I mean, I've seen more Pale commanders die/flee because of the Heat aura and their lack of armor (oh, look, a single arrow !) than anything else :/
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 06, 2014, 05:15:48 pm
edit:
Ran another one, your priests can sail too, and they can lead those hideously overpriced scorpion sacreds of yours.
Post by: tompliss on October 06, 2014, 05:31:04 pm
By the way, I sent you a PM with my nation/units description.
am just waiting for you guys, now (I even have my pretender half ready) :p
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 07, 2014, 02:59:51 pm
I still need to fix my expansion :(
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 07, 2014, 03:51:11 pm
And my expansion is looking pretty good right now. Can't go wrong with hordes of heavy infantry after all. I should probably look at alternative pretender gods though, just in case I find something better.
Post by: tompliss on October 07, 2014, 04:39:16 pm
By the way, what d oyou mean, by expansion ?
Post by: Bluerobin on October 07, 2014, 04:43:38 pm
And expansion is just people talking about their ability to conquer in the early game.
Post by: Karlito on October 07, 2014, 05:58:53 pm
Post by: lijacote on October 07, 2014, 07:49:36 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 07, 2014, 08:43:07 pm
Post by: tompliss on October 08, 2014, 12:01:32 am
I currently have something with "shangrilan Hammerers wield battleaxes" and other errors like that -_-
Well, at least I'll have some time to correct that, if you guys haven't send yours for now :P
Post by: E. Albright on October 08, 2014, 12:40:33 am
Post by: Boksi on October 08, 2014, 12:06:12 pm
Post by: lijacote on October 08, 2014, 12:51:44 pm
EDIT: And it's done.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 11, 2014, 05:10:07 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 13, 2014, 06:37:06 pm
The game page for llamaserver is here:
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Bay12GamesRound410
A dropbox link for the zipped file I made of our .dm & images is here (do you guys actually need it?):
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eai2kzkt3zzjlux/nationgen_rune-covered_circle.7z?dl=0
As for the issues I had while making this happen. Next time any of us organizes something like this, it would be worth it to mention that everyone makes sure to generate a mod with only the nations in use, and make sure the mod is named appropriately. I got a lot of errors (game crashingly so) due to some portions of the .dm referring to nationgentest//flags etc.. instead of nationgen_rune-covered_circle//flags and such. There was also the issue of our nations being numbered from 100 to 108, while a few .dm bits had references in the high hundreds (so you were modifying the .dm with a hundred nations). Both of those issues broke some links here and there in the mod, but thankfully it was pretty easy to just find and copy-paste over the offending bits. I'm new with this myself so I had no idea what to expect, but all seemed to check out just fine when I did a final test run before uploading the .dm and creating the game at llama.
Now all we need is nine submitted pretenders and the game is on 8)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 13, 2014, 06:44:08 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 13, 2014, 07:28:47 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT: There! That should be completed, and free of any other stupidity on my part.
Post by: Boksi on October 13, 2014, 07:46:53 pm
Anyway, I know what I'm gonna send in, I'm just debating what to name my pretender.
EDIT: And I just noticed that the names of my soldiers are the default ones, not the ones I changed them to. I'd rather not have six different units be named javelineers, even if they all carry javelins, because they don't occupy the same niches at all.
EDIT 2: SON OF EDIT
I decided to name my pretender after the best girl (http://bato.to/read/_/47504/gekkan-shoujo-nozaki-kun_v1_ch4_by_panda-scans/11) and sent it in. Seems to work, IIRC mod nations ought to show up as 'Unexpected Nation'.
Post by: E. Albright on October 13, 2014, 08:34:04 pm
Sorry to double-post, but I've spent way too long working on this for me not to show everybody. And you can just copy-paste it into the mod too, easily. The unit and weapon IDs all line up after all.
...actually, we can't just paste them in. As per Delta's post above, you modified the 100-nation mod (Castle of the Sun) and not a regenerated 9-nation mod (Rune-Covered Circle). :P If we want to add them, we need to copy-paste each individual #descr line.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 13, 2014, 08:40:27 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 13, 2014, 08:55:46 pm
Spoiler: Dheathig unit fluff in Rune-Covered Circle format (click to show/hide)
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 13, 2014, 09:00:45 pm
Oh, right. I forgot to change the sprite locations, didn't I? Yeah, I'll change that ASAP. But other than that the text you just posted is almost identical to what I did. The unit IDs are the same in both versions. It's only the sprites that needed to be changed.
EDIT: I also cleaned up the descriptions and names for the units too, because I smart. Yeah, sorry about all of that.
Post by: E. Albright on October 13, 2014, 09:18:09 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 13, 2014, 09:19:22 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 13, 2014, 09:52:17 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 14, 2014, 08:53:48 am
Post by: lijacote on October 14, 2014, 09:57:11 am
Post by: tompliss on October 14, 2014, 10:56:18 am
Post by: Karlito on October 14, 2014, 11:53:08 am
Post by: Culise on October 14, 2014, 11:56:22 am
Post by: Bluerobin on October 14, 2014, 01:14:34 pm
Welp. I googled harder and found that they seem to actually have domsummon20, not domsummon, so he gets 1/20 the number of ghosts I expected. That's about right. Ohhhh well, makes more sense now. I'll have my pretender in in a few minutes, still trying to make a decision on chassis.
Edit: And Matieu is submitted, representing glorious Unexpected Nation uhh... 7 maybe?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 14, 2014, 03:50:57 pm
Eight pretenders in, one to go.
I still need to fix my expansion
Post by: Culise on October 14, 2014, 07:15:12 pm
...
Now I kinda make a stylish lich in a game, so I can be fashionably late while being late fashionably.
EDIT: Ummm, downloaded the turn file, placed it in an appropriate save directory, but my nation doesn't seem to be appearing. Did I flub something up?
EDIT 2: No wait, there it goes. I'll give it a gander and post up my Turn 1 impressions. ^_^
Post by: E. Albright on October 14, 2014, 07:25:45 pm
Post by: Culise on October 14, 2014, 07:26:51 pm
Post by: Boksi on October 14, 2014, 07:32:35 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 14, 2014, 07:33:54 pm
EDIT: Ninjas.
Post by: E. Albright on October 14, 2014, 07:37:53 pm
Oh, joy. All my test games put me in one of two places, and now I've suddenly found a whole new (awfully less gooder) place to start. Yay RNG!
Post by: Culise on October 14, 2014, 07:47:58 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nature-heavy.Post by: Karlito on October 14, 2014, 07:52:33 pm
Post by: Culise on October 14, 2014, 08:01:11 pm
Post by: Boksi on October 14, 2014, 08:23:33 pm
Well, it isn't his fault that blood and children go so well together. It's like liver and a nice Chianti.Ayup.
Well, that and I like blood magic. So I try to break into blood as Patala or go for a bloodsac-victory as Abysia, stuff like that.
Post by: tompliss on October 15, 2014, 01:56:12 am
Quote
God of Many Names, [..] the Most Highat least "The most high" is astral related, and the other could be.
PS: by the way, in my Pretender's titles "The Living Sand" is in fact part of his name.
I think I4ve seen another player do that kind of "personal title" here in a previous game, and I think the NatGen game is the best place to use a personalized title :)
Post by: Boksi on October 15, 2014, 03:04:02 pm
Post by: lijacote on October 15, 2014, 03:10:00 pm
Post by: tompliss on October 15, 2014, 03:12:15 pm
It's not alphabetical, and it doesn't look like the order of the nation in the nation list, so I don't know what it is, but we could try and figure out which nation we are easily (by looking before/after sending our mail).
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 15, 2014, 03:14:08 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 15, 2014, 04:24:11 pm
edit:
Did someone request a resend? Because the server sent it to me twice even though I didn't request one.
Post by: tompliss on October 15, 2014, 04:43:45 pm
I can't play my turn : I don't have a nation to select when trying to continue my turn.
I've seen it happen before, but usually, with a resend, it works. I've requested it (with most nations, as e don't have the names), but it still doesn't work ... :/
Can you guys plya properly ?
Post by: Bluerobin on October 15, 2014, 04:45:21 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 15, 2014, 04:51:37 pm
We were having this issue earlier. I found that if you click the Start a New Game button, then back out, your nation should show up. Culise solved it by unloading and reloading the mod. It looks like it has an issue loading the mod or something if you go straight to multiplayer.
Same. Started a new game with the mod, backed out and loaded the nationgen turn properly. I have no idea why this issue exists, but eh. We're already doing PBEM so one minor inconvenience doesn't really bother me :P
In other news, nice starting position, nice starting indie neighbours. Yesh.
Post by: lijacote on October 15, 2014, 04:56:02 pm
Also, I just load up a test game I had with my generated nation of Lissasa and then load up the new turn when I get that problem (spoken like a true veteran :P), works like a charm.
Post by: E. Albright on October 15, 2014, 05:43:39 pm
Post by: Karlito on October 15, 2014, 07:10:57 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 15, 2014, 08:05:49 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 16, 2014, 04:05:58 pm
Edit: Also, turns out the nation order in the email is different from the nation order on the server, but I'm number 5 in the list on the server. I'm also modnation105 in my turn file. Maybe the 5s are the same? I think Midmatia is 5th in the nation order in the mod too.
Post by: Karlito on October 16, 2014, 07:02:05 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 16, 2014, 07:06:58 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 16, 2014, 09:12:18 pm
Also, this map is claustrophobic. Turn 3 and contact? Really?
Karlito: I was second pretender submitted, and my email still lists the second Unexpected Nation as unsubmitted: Server (where I know I'm 9) is 1S/2U/3U/4S/5S/6U/7S/8U/9S, and email (where I know I'm not 2, 6, 7, or 8) is 1S/2U/3S/4S/5S/6U/7U/8U/9S.
Post by: Bluerobin on October 17, 2014, 08:01:21 pm
Good job Karlito. :P
Post by: tompliss on October 18, 2014, 02:48:14 am
Post by: Culise on October 18, 2014, 08:51:51 pm
And if that negative throne right next to my capital would stop dumping my scales to oblivion, I would be most pleased. I didn't even know that throne events could go off for an unclaimed throne, much less an indie one. ^_^
Post by: Bluerobin on October 18, 2014, 09:53:56 pm
Post by: Culise on October 18, 2014, 10:08:06 pm
Same here. I didn't lose my commanders, at least. :-\I did. It looks like I'm not the only one, either; there are a couple more fatalities in the Hall of Fame, though one is a mercenary. Only difference is that Agor actually has someone else in the HoF as well. ^_^
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 18, 2014, 10:17:24 pm
Post by: tompliss on October 19, 2014, 04:02:03 am
Seriously, 20 def and she gets hit twice on her first turn by light infantry -_-
I can't believe how much gold I lost on this.
At least, I sitll have the best killer in the world :D
Post by: E. Albright on October 19, 2014, 07:42:00 am
And if that negative throne right next to my capital would stop dumping my scales to oblivion, I would be most pleased. I didn't even know that throne events could go off for an unclaimed throne, much less an indie one. ^_^
That sounds like the Throne of Winter. The Throne of Winter is special.
Post by: tompliss on October 19, 2014, 07:51:24 am
In my first MP game, I ended with 5 provinces with Cold3 (playing as LA Pythium, so cold blood hurting a bit), including my capital and 2 neighbouring provinces.
But well, at least, it doesn't give every province in the world a scale 2 death :D
Post by: E. Albright on October 20, 2014, 12:12:41 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 20, 2014, 12:18:38 pm
Post by: E. Albright on October 20, 2014, 12:32:30 pm
Post by: Boksi on October 20, 2014, 01:20:55 pm
Post by: Culise on October 22, 2014, 12:09:13 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 22, 2014, 03:05:08 pm
DUN DUN DUNNNNN.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: lijacote on October 22, 2014, 05:27:04 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 23, 2014, 07:32:10 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 24, 2014, 01:52:53 pm
Lissasa is a nation of lizards and human auxilias. Mages are largely D and most troops have a short bow, there are also dedicated composite bow archers. Troops seem competent at a quick glance.
If no-one pops up I'll just postpone over the weekend.
Post by: Boksi on October 26, 2014, 03:19:07 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 26, 2014, 03:23:43 pm
Post by: lijacote on October 27, 2014, 10:49:09 am
Post by: tompliss on October 27, 2014, 10:55:36 am
Other than that, it was OK :-°
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 27, 2014, 03:39:31 pm
Good to be back on track.
Post by: tompliss on October 27, 2014, 03:49:03 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 27, 2014, 04:58:14 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on October 29, 2014, 07:47:10 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 29, 2014, 08:37:36 am
"Hi, due to a glitch a few games disappeared this morning (Wednesday). I'll get them restored this evening. llama"
So I guess we'll play the waiting game for now.
Edit:
"Update: It took more time than I expected. I'll get the restored on Thursday evening."
Further editry:
I will be busy tomorrow and the day after. If llama manages to conjure up our game tonight I'll make the necessary schedule changes myself, but barring that I've asked E. Albright to handle the postponement.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 30, 2014, 04:12:13 pm
And there are no nations! :D
I'll send a mail to llama tonight if they don't pop up soon.
edit:
I sent the mail AND it fixed itself. Hooray!
Now back to our regularly scheduled gaming (with scheduling irregularities for the early weekend).
Post by: Karlito on October 30, 2014, 06:34:40 pm
Now back to our regularly scheduled gaming (with scheduling irregularities for the early weekend).Well of course we can't expect anyone to do their turn on Nevada Day. :)
Anyway, it's good to be back on. The map sure does seem crowded though, doesn't it? I'm certain one of my many neighbors has an untapped frontier I can manifest my destiny in, eh?
Post by: Culise on October 30, 2014, 10:07:42 pm
It is a bit on the cluttered side, is it not? I think I started getting concerned about my future survival the turn I encountered no less than four neighbors in a single turn.Now back to our regularly scheduled gaming (with scheduling irregularities for the early weekend).Well of course we can't expect anyone to do their turn on Nevada Day. :)
Anyway, it's good to be back on. The map sure does seem crowded though, doesn't it? I'm certain one of my many neighbors has an untapped frontier I can manifest my destiny in, eh?
Post by: E. Albright on October 30, 2014, 11:23:49 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 30, 2014, 11:38:36 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on October 31, 2014, 05:16:07 am
I guess we'd best prepare for some early bloodshed then.
Post by: Culise on October 31, 2014, 09:37:57 am
Mind you, including sea provinces, I started with only two provinces between myself and my nearest neighbor, so there may have been some clustering involved. Also, the first time I saw Midmatia and Illen's northern borders (shared with Samarir), I thought they were at war due to how entangled they were. ^_^
Post by: Bluerobin on October 31, 2014, 10:27:49 am
Post by: tompliss on October 31, 2014, 10:32:13 am
It looks like a couple people have already got forts already up and gathering, which is another caveat.Uh... We're at turn 13. The game has started more than a year ago.
You should have a fort already up (or two being built). There may be a few exceptions (if you choose a "bad" nation, or if you're really capital centered for unit production), but with our nation knowledge ...
Post by: lijacote on October 31, 2014, 10:54:32 am
Spoiler: MY ONLY WEAKNESS (click to show/hide)
Post by: Culise on October 31, 2014, 11:00:50 am
I know, and I believe I've already harped on my own weakness in this thread quite enough; no one's interested in hearing me chatter on about how I'm stuck at -15% income for the nth time. I just mention it as a caveat because, while I'm not certain about you, I can't tell the difference between a capital fort and a non-capital fort at a glance. :PIt looks like a couple people have already got forts already up and gathering, which is another caveat.Uh... We're at turn 13. The game has started more than a year ago.
You should have a fort already up (or two being built). There may be a few exceptions (if you choose a "bad" nation, or if you're really capital centered for unit production), but with our nation knowledge ...
That said, I only spotted five nations with active or apparent construction work being done on secondary forts this turn. That's obviously not exhaustive, though.
EDIT:
Spoiler: MY ONLY WEAKNESS (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
EDIT 2: Deadline in three hours, and nation 2 has not submitted. Requesting an extension.
Post by: lijacote on October 31, 2014, 09:06:39 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on October 31, 2014, 11:54:23 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 01, 2014, 05:58:22 pm
Mind you, including sea provinces, I started with only two provinces between myself and my nearest neighbor, so there may have been some clustering involved.
Two provinces? Bah. Ample space. The capital of Illen has but one province between it and the serpent's nest in Midmatia.
I just mention it as a caveat because, while I'm not certain about you, I can't tell the difference between a capital fort and a non-capital fort at a glance. :P
Look at the fort details. Starting forts will be fully developed, and for that matter, will be situated in provinces with the same name as the nation.
Haha that's still not fully established. My hydras may have accidentally eaten a small army last turn when we both moved to take the same province. :-\
Please. Accidentally? The army your slavering sycophantic toadies so treacherously slew had moved into the adjoining province the month before. The only independent province they could move to was the one directly north, while your conniving minions had two other independent lands to choose from, yet you neither attacked one of them nor broke your stubborn diplomatic silence. Your choice to attempt to glorify your mediocrity by stifling and undercutting bold individuals who were willing to strike out and make their own accomplishments rather than sniveling and leeching away the value created by their betters was anything but an accident. If your disingenuous, unimaginative lackeys in Midmatia seek to prevent the daring innovators in Illen from realizing their full potential, you'll get the war you're so plainly seeking.
Post by: Culise on November 01, 2014, 06:03:20 pm
...I just mention it as a caveat because, while I'm not certain about you, I can't tell the difference between a capital fort and a non-capital fort at a glance. :P
Look at the fort details. Starting forts will be fully developed, and for that matter, will be situated in provinces with the same name as the nation.
(http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t317/Culise/Macro/12396709544035.jpg)
I did not even think to check the province names. I'm so used to maps where all the provinces have predefined names. >_<
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 01, 2014, 06:05:53 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 01, 2014, 06:24:41 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 01, 2014, 07:41:30 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 03, 2014, 01:57:22 pm
Post by: tompliss on November 03, 2014, 02:00:57 pm
I wanted to see whether that would work as well as I though. Seems so.
I don't think I'll keep them here anyway ;)
Post by: E. Albright on November 03, 2014, 02:51:03 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 03, 2014, 02:55:21 pm
Post by: Culise on November 03, 2014, 02:58:03 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 03, 2014, 03:01:04 pm
Oh. And you can no longer game Undisciplined IOT give them orders. That's a big one too.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 03, 2014, 03:01:37 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 03, 2014, 03:04:03 pm
Spoiler: 4.14 Patchnotes (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bluerobin on November 03, 2014, 03:20:39 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 03, 2014, 03:50:18 pm
Spoiler: Behold it in its awful splendor! (click to show/hide)
(As someone quipped on Desura, Dominions now supports pollytheism.)
(For my part, as someone involved in making content for NationGen, my duty is fairly clear here. I won't be able to meet my eye in the mirror until hoburgs can ride these thing's mortal cousins.)
Post by: Karlito on November 03, 2014, 04:06:24 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 03, 2014, 05:13:30 pm
Post by: Boksi on November 03, 2014, 06:48:33 pm
EA Xibalba: "The Ah K'in priests has[sic] promised them that if the Sun were to return to the caverns of Xibalba, the Zotz would once more wield the sacred splendour of the sun and the Sun Guides and their golden armors would become blessed with divine beauty."
They have a level 8 Enchantment global called Theft of the Sun, which does exactly what it says on the can. Basically, it seems to be saying the Sun Guides(cap-only sacreds) will get awe if you cast that spell. Neat.
Post by: Bluerobin on November 03, 2014, 06:58:49 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 03, 2014, 07:03:15 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 03, 2014, 07:06:25 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 03, 2014, 07:08:10 pm
OTOH, the royal mummies can summon 5 flying sacred Lemurian-legionaire-analogs per turn, and apparently more with the reanimation-boosting amulet. Which is vulgar.
Post by: Boksi on November 03, 2014, 07:10:17 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 03, 2014, 07:10:50 pm
I dunno, you can usually find indy sages or amazons or something.
You must have had better luck than me then, because I've rarely gotten indies with S on them. Definitely not a thing to base your entire strategy around is what I'm saying.
OTOH, the royal mummies can summon 5 flying sacred Lemurian-legionaire-analogs per turn, and apparently more with the reanimation-boosting amulet. Which is vulgar.
I thought that it was only 4 a turn to begin with, but yeah. Absolutely, insanely, wonderfully vulgar.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 03, 2014, 07:43:29 pm
Patch is out. Might wanna delay the game 'til we know it's stable.
Added 24h on it. Llamaserver seems to have mail server issues to boot.
Post by: Boksi on November 04, 2014, 04:46:23 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 04, 2014, 07:49:27 am
Post by: E. Albright on November 04, 2014, 05:13:25 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 05, 2014, 10:13:32 pm
Take note, Men and near-Men of Peliwyr: as falls Illen, so shall you fall as well. Tall and stalwart Deathig would do particularly well to mark these words, as they, too, lie between Lissasa and Doushiem, and I can only imagine their brave people will be the next to face this loathsome alliance. Darmerkot, too, would be well-advised to watch their borders as the two-headed fuchsia serpent winds its coils around the lands between the waters. My sole consolation - beyond of course the inherent satisfaction of standing on my own two feet and for better or worse making my own destiny, no matter how these parasites strive to tear me down - is that the stunted taskmasters of Doushiem are naught but useful idiots advancing Lissasa's bid at godhood, for there is scant chance that the Lissasan's throne-rich homeland will incline them to share the spoils of Illen and Deathig with a people they look down on in all ways. And thus it goes, as ever...
Post by: Bluerobin on November 05, 2014, 10:52:59 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 05, 2014, 11:01:19 pm
I don't think I'll keep them here anyway ;)Wut? Wut?
I mean like, I didn't really believe this bald-faced lie, but what's the point of taking all these provinces you won't get any income from?
Post by: E. Albright on November 05, 2014, 11:06:22 pm
Post by: Culise on November 06, 2014, 11:45:56 am
Post by: Bluerobin on November 06, 2014, 10:53:01 pm
Edit: I just submitted my turn, so if we end up getting one more turn done it will probably be easy to make the decision to just go AI.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 07, 2014, 02:35:43 pm
Post by: Culise on November 07, 2014, 06:09:57 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 07, 2014, 06:16:10 pm
Post by: lijacote on November 07, 2014, 09:34:34 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on November 09, 2014, 05:00:05 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 09, 2014, 05:04:12 pm
Don't worry, we'll make Illen pay. Someone will at any rate. Agor is geographically challenged at this time :(
Post by: E. Albright on November 09, 2014, 06:14:27 pm
One bit of advice going forward. It's old advice, but always good advice: at least one point of PD, always and everywhere. I capped 4 or 5 of your provinces with scouts on serial turns, and if I had been even just slightly more conservative with maintaining my sieging force on the last turn of last week, it would have meant ~2500g of troops would have died via retreating.
Post by: E. Albright on November 11, 2014, 06:04:29 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 11, 2014, 07:03:15 pm
Our game didn't disappear like most others (maybe because we started ours pre-4.14?), but I still haven't received confirmation for sending my turn.
I don't know if postponing is any help, but I guess that's all I can do until llama lets us know more.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 12, 2014, 05:53:11 pm
Quote from: llamabeast
Hi all, llamabeast here. I believe the LlamaServer should now be back up and running. It will take a while (maybe 12 hours even!) to process the backlog of games that need hosting. I've postponed all the turn timers to allow people to get back on track. Any admin actions during the last 24 hours may have been lost - admins, please check!
I'm very sorry to everyone for this disruption. Amazing that new ways of going wrong can turn up after so long!
Sounds like we're back on track, more or less.
Post by: Culise on November 13, 2014, 08:59:14 pm
This is an act we enter into with heavy hearts, but our minds are set and our voices as one. Earendel of the Morning Star, the Grey One hereby names Gault as a false pretender and issues formal challenge to the self-styled Lord of Men's Fates. Our men shall meet them on the field of battle, and we shall vanquish them.
EDIT:
Do a fancy work in IC speech, make a typo right in the middle. <_<
Post by: E. Albright on November 14, 2014, 01:21:03 am
Spoiler: Rantz and hyperbole (click to show/hide)
[tldr: Sending 2-3 scouts into your neighbor's territory over a handful of turns: gross provocation. The two hundred troops that were parked on the border who caught them: totally not at all provocative. Holding two thrones and being adjacent to two more: threat to world peace. Holding two thrones, being adjacent to two more, and invading your neighbor who holds two thrones: beleaguered savior of humanity.]
[edit: fixed obvious typos, unreasonable conciseness]
[edit2: remembered there's a spoiler tag]
Post by: Boksi on November 14, 2014, 04:31:22 am
Post by: E. Albright on November 14, 2014, 07:36:39 am
(And let's be honest, I'm not exactly terse and concise under normal circumstances.)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 14, 2014, 02:00:49 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 14, 2014, 03:15:52 pm
Post by: Boksi on November 14, 2014, 03:43:41 pm
...This is a bit troublesome. I don't think I'll be able to get it in tonight since I don't have access to my laptop right now. Well, I'll hopefully manage to do it tomorrow.
Post by: Bluerobin on November 14, 2014, 04:32:51 pm
[tldr: Sending 2-3 scouts into your neighbor's territory over a handful of turns: gross provocation. The two hundred troops that were parked on the border who caught them: totally not at all provocative. Holding two thrones and being adjacent to two more: threat to world peace. Holding two thrones, being adjacent to two more, and invading your neighbor who holds two thrones: beleaguered savior of humanity.]
Exactly! Glad to see it summed up so eloquently.
Post by: Culise on November 14, 2014, 04:34:06 pm
Yep, indeed. I actually loved Albright's full response, too; very "in the spirit" of things. :D[tldr: Sending 2-3 scouts into your neighbor's territory over a handful of turns: gross provocation. The two hundred troops that were parked on the border who caught them: totally not at all provocative. Holding two thrones and being adjacent to two more: threat to world peace. Holding two thrones, being adjacent to two more, and invading your neighbor who holds two thrones: beleaguered savior of humanity.]
Exactly! Glad to see it summed up so eloquently.
Post by: lijacote on November 14, 2014, 05:06:11 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 14, 2014, 06:02:12 pm
(http://i1364.photobucket.com/albums/r734/Image_buffer/PrototypeHBGBattlesuits_zps32192478.png) (http://s1364.photobucket.com/user/Image_buffer/media/PrototypeHBGBattlesuits_zps32192478.png.html)
Eh, heh, heh...
Spoiler: Query/RFC (click to show/hide)
Post by: tompliss on November 15, 2014, 04:44:41 am
So yeah, they're OP at the begining, than overpriced as they can't last long (~20 turns with E9 bless ? given than the E major bless may not be the best for them ?)
Post by: E. Albright on November 15, 2014, 05:38:59 am
Post by: Boksi on November 15, 2014, 06:42:20 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 15, 2014, 07:55:29 am
I'm guessing it stalled a while during the turn processing? There's been some chatter about it being a bit laggy recently. I wonder what's up.
Post by: Boksi on November 15, 2014, 08:07:15 am
Everything looks fine to me.Oh, looks like it processed now, yeah. Took it a while, though. One and a half hours, according to my e-mail.
I'm guessing it stalled a while during the turn processing? There's been some chatter about it being a bit laggy recently. I wonder what's up.
Post by: E. Albright on November 17, 2014, 10:27:28 am
Post by: Boksi on November 17, 2014, 12:31:31 pm
Pushing hosting 12h since I'm not gonna get my turn in for ~8-10h. And Boksi's outstanding as well, though there's still 2h to original hosttime so they might not be as tardy as me. Sorry for delaying things...Yeah, if you hadn't added the extra time I still would've submitted it on time. Admittedly with only a few minutes to spare, but it was before the deadline and that's what counts.
Post by: E. Albright on November 18, 2014, 12:06:43 am
Post by: lijacote on November 18, 2014, 12:09:30 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 18, 2014, 04:10:17 pm
Shangrila's hero, Darude the Living Catapult has the appearance of an ancient Pale One. Yet when my skeletons gouged his eye out, he didn't get blindness penalties. Just regular eye loss with the minor stat penalties it entails.
In addition, his second form at 0hp was that of a mechanical man (yep) with with description of "TODO". (I can imagine a pretty cool backstory there btw)
Not sure if TODO is standard all over nationgen, but I'm mentioning it in-case it's something that shouldn't show up.
As for the apparently multieyed Agarthan, I wonder if that's dom4 thing or nationgen thing. I mean Agarthans are one-eyed, right? So they should by all means get blindness after one eye loss. I don't play much with or against Agartha so I don't know if this is standard behaviour or not so... Just throwing it out there as well.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 18, 2014, 04:19:32 pm
Also the #eyes tag means that creatures can have more than 2 eyes if you wanted... I wonder if the effects of losing an eye stack as expected if you have 3 or more eyes or something else happens. I guess I should investigate it sometime, even though it doesn't affect anything.
EDIT: This reminds me, I should go check to see if the modding manual has been update with the new event commands. Might be interesting to go poking around them and see what you can do.
Post by: E. Albright on November 18, 2014, 05:41:04 pm
Oh, Aimur, why is it that the freedom-loving peoples of Illen have such trouble believing your words? Surely it cannot be your prior invasion. Or indeed the inconvenient fact that if you were warding the gate rather than menacingly posing your forces to invade whenever you deemed it opportune, you'd garrison them in Theater of Angels (where they could ward the gate and a throne) or in Far Bridge (where they could ward two gates). Indeed, I rather suspect that if Dheathig's invasion of Illen was going better than it is, your would-be oppressors would have traversed the border in half a heartbeat. I do think it would be better for the tensions between our nations if both Earth Corn and Waybridge were demilitarized. But I suppose for now we can maintain the pretense that your massed forces are there for defense, and not incessant coercive posturing and preparation for an opportunistic invasion.
Post by: E. Albright on November 18, 2014, 08:33:56 pm
Shangrila's hero, Darude the Living Catapult has the appearance of an ancient Pale One. Yet when my skeletons gouged his eye out, he didn't get blindness penalties. Just regular eye loss with the minor stat penalties it entails.
In addition, his second form at 0hp was that of a mechanical man (yep) with with description of "TODO". (I can imagine a pretty cool backstory there btw)
It probably doesn't need said, but any errors you find along these lines - no matter how minor - merit mention. NG doesn't get as much feed back as a lot of mods, and it's hard to test it thoroughly since it's all procedurally generated.
(FWIW, the mechanical man filter gives a heavy weight in favor of the mage name "terminator". I actually am of a mind to add a comparable filter for mantises, hehehe...)
Post by: E. Albright on November 18, 2014, 11:13:13 pm
Shangrila vs. Agor/Samarir: Shangrila loses, Agor eats Shangrila, absorbs essence more or less in toto.
Agor vs. Darmekot: Agor fights Darmekot to a stalemate.
Illen vs. Lisassa/Doushiem/Dheathig: Illen and Dheathig lose, with Lisassa absorbing Illen, and Doushiem absorbing Midmatia and Dheathig.
Wildcards: Samarir will likely be the first of the Eight Nations freed up enough to intervene in another war, and could potentially tip the balance in Darmekot's favor if they intervened against Agor in the second war, or in favor of either Lisassa/Dheathig or Doushiem depending on whether they intervened against Doushiem or Illen in the third.
Post by: Karlito on November 19, 2014, 12:24:01 am
Wildcards: Samarir will likely be the first of the Eight Nations freed up enough to intervene in another war, and could potentially tip the balance in Darmekot's favor if they intervened against Agor in the second war, or in favor of either Lisassa/Dheathig or Doushiem depending on whether they intervened against Doushiem or Illen in the third.
Sup y'all? I'm open to being made some offers.
Post by: tompliss on November 19, 2014, 04:50:45 am
A bit disappointed by what I did, strategically, but still hope to stay alive :p
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 19, 2014, 07:04:03 am
Shangrila I could probably beat (100g high prot sacreds vs. AN evocations? yeah), but two front war isn't exactly helping me right now.
bloody monkeys
Karlito:
How about a score of pearls and a penny for punching some banana pickers? :P
edit:
tompliss:
At least you made me spend gems on seeking arrow counters. That's a big chunk of my A reserves. Makes dealing with you two teeny bit more taxing.
Post by: lijacote on November 19, 2014, 10:27:52 am
[oracular excerpt]They speak in favour of our victory in all contingencies! Glorious Lissasa, strong you will be in the near future! Vital, breathing still. Ragged, damp. The glass mists, and the days to come come.
Post by: E. Albright on November 19, 2014, 06:25:04 pm
I think I didn't see the meca alternate form to my Sandstorm Hero, hence the TODO....
Looking at the data files, it appears an awful lot of shapechange filters for units have no description defined, but the equivalents for mages are there. An incredibly simple, albeit briefly tedious, solution presents itself.
Post by: Karlito on November 20, 2014, 09:28:27 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 21, 2014, 12:33:10 am
Post by: lijacote on November 21, 2014, 07:53:31 am
Post by: E. Albright on November 21, 2014, 06:20:43 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 21, 2014, 06:38:09 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 21, 2014, 06:42:01 pm
Post by: lijacote on November 22, 2014, 03:02:09 am
Right. "Came for you". And we're supposed to just believe that it's coincidence that Illen suffered troll attacks in its territory at the precise same time? We see right through your sly tricks, Aimur...The next step is to send a peace-keeping corps to Illen, since Lissasan nationals are suffering in this conflict between Illen and the trolls. :P
Post by: Culise on November 22, 2014, 05:54:23 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 22, 2014, 06:45:00 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 22, 2014, 08:58:26 pm
>Check turn to see how badly I'm getting stomped this turn.
>Notice that awesome mage has picked up an affliction from somewhere.
>Check the affliction to see how terrible it is.
>It's disease.
Goddamn it game. Apparently I haven't suffered enough, have I?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 22, 2014, 09:16:35 pm
Goddman!
Post by: lijacote on November 23, 2014, 05:18:24 pm
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Please check your game on the llamaserver.net website. If you've sent a turn in, you may well need to send it in again. Possibly your game will have gone back in time by a turn.There are a lot of turns that haven't been sent in. I can't say which ones belong to whom. I advise one and all to re-send their turns.
Post by: E. Albright on November 23, 2014, 11:26:07 pm
1. Karlito - Samarir
2. lijacote - Lissasa
3. Boksi - Darmekot
4. Culise - Dousheim
5. USEC_OFFICER - Dheathig
6. Delta Foxtrot - Agor
7. tompliss - Shangrila
8. E. Albright - Illen
Post by: Bluerobin on November 23, 2014, 11:26:43 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 23, 2014, 11:33:20 pm
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Hi, the LlamaServer is now up and running on a new, upgraded server.
And there was much rejoicing.
Post by: Culise on November 24, 2014, 02:32:48 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 24, 2014, 05:24:57 pm
Close one this time, but at least it wasn't a stale.
Post by: Culise on November 24, 2014, 07:14:52 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 24, 2014, 07:26:53 pm
Post by: Karlito on November 24, 2014, 07:41:13 pm
To the nation of Samarir, may your bones long moulder in forgotten graves yada yada yada I'm sick, running on a single stolen hour of sleep, and barely processing at all. So, I'll just say congrats on handing the game to Illen, and know that if you want my lands, you'll have to bleed for them.
Nah, I have slaves to do that for me.
Post by: E. Albright on November 24, 2014, 08:24:22 pm
(Canny throne-counters will note that Lisassa taking Illen and Dheathig's thrones will give them a solid eight...)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 24, 2014, 08:37:56 pm
I'm sure I'll hit a bump in the road soon enough, Damerkot is yet to show their titan in battle. But for now I'm busy obliterating monkeys in the most overpriced ways possible.
Post by: E. Albright on November 24, 2014, 09:16:15 pm
(If I'm selling your research capabilities short and you legitimately forged that, my most humble apologies, of course. :P)
Post by: lijacote on November 25, 2014, 05:35:05 am
Should I throw it away or? I'm fine with either. I didn't know it was a bug, I thought it was just my luck scales being ridiculous.
Doushiem, you gravely overestimate the might of Illen, to say nothing of your underestimating the might of sundry other powers on the map. Illen is not substantially stronger (and frankly is probably not at all stronger) than Darmekot, Agor, or Lisassa. And of those three, only Agor's strategic situation is anywhere near as bad as Illen's.We've got the graphs! WE KNOW YOUR POWER!
Post by: E. Albright on November 25, 2014, 06:44:53 am
We've got the graphs! WE KNOW YOUR POWER!
Hmph. So you can marvel at how much chaff my enemies are wading through to get to my tender vittles? How much gold I spend each turn to replace that chaff? How paltry the research of the Illenese chaffomancers is?
(Mind you, Illenese chaffomancers aren't even the same kind of chaffomancers as the Lissasan chaffomancers with whom their studies share an ancestoral history - they're not wizards with the power to summon and control endless streams of chaff, no - they're much more than that. They're wizards who have so thoroughly mastered the study of chaff that they've become one with its very essence...)
And if you have the graphs, we must ask... Who shall annal the annalists themselves?
Post by: lijacote on November 25, 2014, 06:51:23 am
If the game gave it to you, then the game gave it to you (as utterly obnoxious as it is). If it showed up inappropriately, though, a bug report should be made... :PIt happened before the patch, but, uh, was it a bug that the game gave out artifacts earlier, or would it be a bug if it gave it to me after the patch?
And I believe your armies have only grown during this period! Your losses are not so significant as to twist your graphs downwards, no, they trend ever upwards!
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 25, 2014, 08:13:02 am
If any of that army graph was quality instead of quantity I'd be much more sure in my victory. Alas.
Post by: lijacote on November 25, 2014, 08:16:12 am
Post by: E. Albright on November 25, 2014, 08:26:27 am
It happened before the patch, but, uh, was it a bug that the game gave out artifacts earlier, or would it be a bug if it gave it to me after the patch?
After. Before the patch it was unintended correct program behavior. ;D
Post by: tompliss on November 25, 2014, 08:47:56 am
You mean the same Agor that has been grinding a stalemate with Shangrila and Damerkot for what seems ages now?It's only a stalemate with Shangrila because Agor doesn't want to bring more troops and I prevent his from ending the sieges thanks to my assassins...
200 skeletons sieging a dozen commanders with no troops, but without anybody to lead them toward the gate ! :D
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 25, 2014, 09:05:02 am
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 25, 2014, 05:46:56 pm
Post by: E. Albright on November 25, 2014, 07:41:01 pm
Are the American portions of our players going to need an extension for the upcoming holiday? I'll be traveling starting Thursday through the weekend, but will *probably* have my laptop with me, so Thursday is the only guaranteed problem on my end.
Post by: Karlito on November 25, 2014, 08:38:58 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on November 27, 2014, 06:08:32 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on November 28, 2014, 06:46:33 am
Post by: E. Albright on November 29, 2014, 08:52:58 pm
Post by: lijacote on November 29, 2014, 08:54:16 pm
I'm still traveling. I'm gonna push hosting back 12h more - I should be in a position to get the turn in by/before then. Sorry for the delay, all.I am prepared to forgive you. I know I am often the cause for delays.
But only if you give me Run Island without a fight.
Post by: E. Albright on November 30, 2014, 06:13:42 am
Post by: Boksi on December 01, 2014, 06:00:33 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 01, 2014, 07:27:58 am
Now I really should stop dozing off and do my turn.
Post by: E. Albright on December 01, 2014, 07:28:10 am
--
Personally, I'd like to try to keep the current pace. I know I've been the cause of several of the recent delays, but once I finish this past week's holiday travel (i.e., tonight), I shouldn't be a problem for the next few weeks (and I should be dead before that time is up).
Post by: Karlito on December 01, 2014, 10:18:00 am
Post by: lijacote on December 02, 2014, 09:31:02 am
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Post by: E. Albright on December 03, 2014, 01:02:07 pm
Post by: Boksi on December 05, 2014, 07:35:42 am
Post by: E. Albright on December 05, 2014, 12:41:26 pm
Anyway, you're not the only one outstanding. USEC and I don't have our turns in yet, though I'm mostly done and just heeldragging to make sure I still have an incentive to watch the hosting time. I pushed it 24h, but don't feel compelled to use all of that. I won't, though I can't submit immediately either.
Post by: E. Albright on December 06, 2014, 12:04:47 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 06, 2014, 12:06:20 pm
Post by: E. Albright on December 06, 2014, 12:30:15 pm
Post by: AlStar on December 06, 2014, 08:01:45 pm
Sceleria has had three stales in a row now.
Edit: got someone - thanks!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 07, 2014, 09:59:34 am
Post by: E. Albright on December 07, 2014, 12:50:31 pm
Post by: lijacote on December 07, 2014, 04:03:31 pm
So close, Aimur. Sooooooooooooooooooo close...Eh, I'm not sure it was. That's a lot of dead things, though.
Also yay I am back again and doing my turn now.
Post by: E. Albright on December 07, 2014, 04:34:31 pm
Frankly, I'm surprised the trauma of being brought so close to realizing his self-worth only to be pulled back to common complacency by the transient triumph of the braying, envious masses didn't leave lasting wounds on his soul, let alone his body.
Fear not, we have not given up. We will save Aimur's glorious potential from the mediocrity the Lissasan masses would jealously regulate it to, even if he will likely have no choice but to die to stay loyal to the simple, profound truths he shall come to realize.
Post by: lijacote on December 07, 2014, 05:09:32 pm
Really? Over 80% of the collectivist stain was cleansed from Aimur's noble soul by the righteous fires of determination and prideYou have only stoked the fires of Aimur's furnaces of rapid industrialisation with your wanton slaughter of the chaffing class.
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Post by: E. Albright on December 07, 2014, 07:59:38 pm
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Post by: lijacote on December 08, 2014, 07:11:47 am
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Post by: E. Albright on December 11, 2014, 04:26:57 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 11, 2014, 05:00:55 pm
Post by: Culise on December 11, 2014, 05:09:39 pm
Post by: Bluerobin on December 11, 2014, 05:11:34 pm
Post by: E. Albright on December 11, 2014, 05:45:42 pm
Spoiler: 8-10-turn-old map (click to show/hide)
This was roughly the state of Peliwyr right before Samarir invaded Dousheim. Since then, Dousheim and Shangrila have basically disappeared, with little or nothing left outside their capitals. Agor has pushed back Damerkot roughly to their pre-war borders, Lissasa took the "bridge" islands away from Illen and finished grabbing the sea, and Illen and Dheathig have been continuously trading provinces and raiding in force on both their mountain and forest borders.
[Edit: Ya know, if I'm describing changes after the out-of-date map was created, there's no reason for me to not throw up a sloppy, coarse-grained map of them. So here's a much less polished and far more quickly drawn update to the above.]
Spoiler: Roughly what's happened since then - not 100% accurate, for "reasons" (click to show/hide)
Post by: Bluerobin on December 11, 2014, 06:11:11 pm
Post by: Culise on December 11, 2014, 09:20:06 pm
Spoiler: Turn 22 (click to show/hide)
Usual icons apply - thrones by crowns, forts by crosses, capitals by flowery-bits. Temples are new; those are represented by five-diamond little crosses. Changes I've spotted: Lissasa (Red) has pushed into the first two islands belonging to Illen (orange). Shangrila (magenta) has effectively fallen to Agor (yellow), except for those territories they seized from Samarir (blue). Dousheim (lilac) has been effectively partitioned by Illen and Samarir, which has also evicted Shangrila from its own territories. I have next to no information on Dheathig (purple), beyond the limited gains they made against Samarir in my former lands. Absolutely nothing has changed on the Dousheim/Lissasia front.
Post by: E. Albright on December 12, 2014, 08:48:09 pm
Post by: lijacote on December 13, 2014, 09:57:08 am
Post by: E. Albright on December 13, 2014, 05:28:41 pm
Well, one war is effectively done this turn, and I assume it and the other equally-advanced one will be completely done next turn. So that means more power is about to be brought to bear on the monkeys, and either Agor, Dheathig, or myself will likely soon have an unpleasant amount of birdmen up in their business - that, or Samarir is about to skip the next war, hunker down, and build up a lethal blitz. Interesting times, interesting times...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 13, 2014, 05:31:31 pm
Curse you, tompliss! Curse you and your excessive mage-killiness!
Post by: Boksi on December 15, 2014, 03:49:07 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 15, 2014, 04:22:49 pm
It's been nice skirmishing for as long as we have, I wish you all the best.
Understandable if you can't manage it, but if you can do a small summary of your nation to help acclimate a sub in and send it to... Il Palazzo or some other dom-dude that's not playing in this particular game.
I'll change the thread title.
edit:
postponed 48h.
edit2:
In case anyone's interested, the mod download link is in the OP.
Game is currently on turn 39 and from what I can tell Darmerkot is not losing. A very viable sub position if I've ever seen one.
Currently at war with wannabe Sceleria.
Post by: E. Albright on December 15, 2014, 04:42:57 pm
(Also at peace with their neighbors wannabe humanblood-ish Abyssia, wannabe Astral-Napoleon-complex Fomoria, and wannabe Raptor Caelam.)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 15, 2014, 04:48:53 pm
Because I see everything. EVERYTHING. Such misinformation.
Post by: Karlito on December 15, 2014, 04:49:53 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on December 15, 2014, 05:56:49 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 15, 2014, 06:58:46 pm
Also, Dheathig isn't Astral Fomoria. It's giant Ermor. More specially EA Ermor. Get your facts straight here. :P
Post by: Darkwind3 on December 15, 2014, 07:55:09 pm
e: also, I'm sure it's been said before, but ctrl+V and ctrl+Z make blood nations so much easer to play it's hard to believe. It's beautiful.
Post by: Culise on December 16, 2014, 11:02:13 pm
Post by: Karlito on December 17, 2014, 01:14:55 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 17, 2014, 06:04:20 pm
Clearly Bay12 meta requires more rushing. Quadbless mictlan go!
Post by: E. Albright on December 18, 2014, 07:06:07 am
Post by: Karlito on December 18, 2014, 12:14:26 pm
Spoiler: THE WORST THING (click to show/hide)
Go scout somewhere else, ya jerks!
Post by: E. Albright on December 18, 2014, 01:45:36 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 20, 2014, 03:57:23 pm
At the moment I'm fairly sure I can't do much between 24th and 26th, but beyond that I should have fairly regular access and ability to play Dominions. Feel free to post if any of you need more postponements than that during the festivities.
Post by: E. Albright on December 20, 2014, 04:22:48 pm
Dammit, Dheathig, between your primary death horde declining confrontation with my primary death horde on (my) eastern front, and now the passes not thawing on (my) western front so my mercenary raid horde has to decline confrontation because they can't combine with reinforcements to make a secondary death horde to pincer-attack your secondary death horde, this (early midgame) war looks like it'll never end, and we'll just keep grinding each other down indefinitely while our neighbors' less-frittered-away resources march them into the late game...
Post by: lijacote on December 20, 2014, 08:13:23 pm
How are peoples' holidays?I think my schedule is fairly similar. Maybe a day or two more at my parents'.
At the moment I'm fairly sure I can't do much between 24th and 26th, but beyond that I should have fairly regular access and ability to play Dominions. Feel free to post if any of you need more postponements than that during the festivities.
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 22, 2014, 11:52:30 am
Also, thanks for bumping back the deadline for me... It's Christmas time, so you know. Hard to do turns when you're spending time with the family.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 23, 2014, 04:44:15 pm
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on December 27, 2014, 06:20:53 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 27, 2014, 10:13:49 pm
To potential subs:
Dheathig is a nation of Fomorians and Abysians. Nation includes 70g FS fomorian mages and other goodies. You're at war with Illen, nation of fire casting lizards and humans. I'm sure other players can reveal more to any potential subs. We're at turn 42 and there's a few wars going on and other few recently ended. Couple of the players have died off and far as I can tell Dheathig is still in the fight.
Link to our mod can be found in the OP if you wish to peruse Dheathig or other nations involved with the game.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 28, 2014, 09:07:46 am
http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/looking-for-a-sub-nationgen-game-w-cheap-fs-giants
Post by: E. Albright on December 28, 2014, 09:47:38 am
(Well, and I'd have to give away more detailed intel than I'm entirely comfortable with...)
Post by: Hatman on December 28, 2014, 02:41:41 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 28, 2014, 02:57:22 pm
I'll let you take a look at the turn but how about we also wait a day or two if someone more experienced comes along? PM me your email address and I'll rewire llamaserver to send you the turn file.
Post by: E. Albright on December 28, 2014, 03:49:43 pm
So yes, it's not an ideal spot for an inexperienced player, though not an impossible one either.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 29, 2014, 09:08:03 pm
So since it seems no-one else is biting, I'd be fine with Hatman subbing for Dheathig. And from the sound of it no-one is outright objecting it either.
Is there any diplo people want to go over or should Hatman just send his 2h to llamaserver?
Post by: Karlito on December 30, 2014, 01:58:01 am
Post by: E. Albright on December 31, 2014, 04:32:22 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on December 31, 2014, 04:51:32 pm
I slapped 72h on it.
Post by: E. Albright on January 03, 2015, 03:50:00 pm
Post by: Hatman on January 05, 2015, 01:00:15 am
Post by: E. Albright on January 05, 2015, 02:32:58 am
Post by: Hatman on January 05, 2015, 04:23:32 am
Post by: E. Albright on January 05, 2015, 04:56:18 am
Post by: Karlito on January 06, 2015, 12:18:17 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 06, 2015, 01:45:48 am
Post by: lijacote on January 07, 2015, 06:33:23 am
This blade shall not be quenched save by the blood of Gault.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 07, 2015, 11:31:38 am
Round 2, Fight!
Post by: E. Albright on January 07, 2015, 05:50:37 pm
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Post by: Karlito on January 08, 2015, 01:17:10 am
Everyone, hats off to Karlito. My army graph actually went downwards this turn. Shame about his army though. No matter, I have more skeletons, he has more cheap sacreds.
Round 2, Fight!
Me damn, the pride of Samarir, scattered by a mere breeze. At least say you're running out of seeking arrows. :'(
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 08, 2015, 01:23:33 am
Post by: Karlito on January 08, 2015, 01:37:52 am
Post by: lijacote on January 08, 2015, 03:01:19 pm
Post by: Hatman on January 08, 2015, 04:20:12 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 09, 2015, 02:39:41 am
Post by: E. Albright on January 09, 2015, 08:28:55 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on January 10, 2015, 07:12:56 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 12, 2015, 04:10:45 am
I guess I needed more to kill than just some birdies.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 12, 2015, 09:21:16 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 13, 2015, 07:07:03 pm
Which leads me to ask, do we need a proper 2-day schedule or are people content with a 36h + postponements as requested? I'm fine as is, but we are inching towards turn 50 and I believe 36h is quite a feat at this stage.
Post by: E. Albright on January 13, 2015, 07:41:10 pm
(And I'll have you know that the scalies-ruling-squishies (as opposed to squishies-trying-to-rule-scalies) are so, so very opportunistic. Just because they're following the slope downwards instead of leaning right doesn't mean they're no opportunists. Although if past experience means anything, perhaps the fact that you're now at war with three nations (and a province) might finally make you worthy of their attentions...)
Post by: tompliss on January 14, 2015, 12:57:28 am
you're now at war with three nations (and a province)Sempai, you noticed me ! <3
It's me, right ?
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 14, 2015, 10:47:01 am
Post by: tompliss on January 14, 2015, 10:55:35 am
Throne + Prophet preaching means I still have dominion.
But with only aquatic units, I have doubts about my chances to get more than my current province.
Post by: Hatman on January 14, 2015, 07:53:23 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 14, 2015, 08:08:09 pm
Post by: E. Albright on January 17, 2015, 01:45:08 pm
Post by: Hatman on January 18, 2015, 02:13:19 am
Post by: lijacote on January 18, 2015, 05:55:56 pm
Post by: E. Albright on January 19, 2015, 01:30:37 am
Post by: Karlito on January 19, 2015, 03:57:15 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 20, 2015, 04:58:35 am
Now get off my lawn 8)
Post by: E. Albright on January 23, 2015, 11:18:04 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 24, 2015, 10:22:52 pm
Make one more, pass it around, 100 stacks of skeletons on the wall.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Also in-case you're lurking tompliss, your AI just took one low PD water province. Damn!
Post by: lijacote on January 25, 2015, 01:04:11 am
lijacote, status? I've been bleeding out the delays by 12h at a pop, but it's getting pretty long. Will this last one do it, or should I push back further than 12h?I'm a bad person. :P
Post by: tompliss on January 25, 2015, 03:44:08 am
I'm just trying to find who is ahead, because I've got gems and I could use gold :p
Post by: Darkwind3 on January 25, 2015, 09:38:27 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 26, 2015, 03:06:28 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on January 26, 2015, 04:25:38 am
Quote
As many of you will have noticed, all the games disappeared from the LlamaServer overnight due to some glitch. The games are now all restored, but any admin actions etc that happened overnight will have been lost. Admins, please check your games! Thanks everyone for your patience.
Back in action.
Post by: Darkwind3 on February 02, 2015, 06:45:34 pm
Post by: E. Albright on February 02, 2015, 09:05:17 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 03, 2015, 12:54:58 am
We'll still give you all the postponements in the world if you just ask them though.
Post by: Hatman on February 04, 2015, 12:31:36 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 04, 2015, 12:46:24 am
Honestly suprised how much better that attack worked sans troops.
Can't argue with results, but I'd probably drop one spell from the buff cycle to keep your fatigue down.
Post by: Hatman on February 06, 2015, 05:03:32 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 06, 2015, 05:32:39 am
edit: Bumped it up to very early monday eurotime.
Post by: Hatman on February 07, 2015, 05:55:57 am
Post by: E. Albright on February 10, 2015, 08:38:01 am
Post by: tompliss on February 10, 2015, 08:55:23 am
And I've destroyed another army, once again ! :D
The Fires of Shangrila never die, even underwater
Post by: Hatman on February 11, 2015, 12:42:44 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 11, 2015, 01:00:31 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on February 11, 2015, 04:36:40 pm
Post by: E. Albright on February 11, 2015, 06:18:57 pm
Post by: Hatman on February 13, 2015, 12:20:18 am
Post by: E. Albright on February 13, 2015, 12:33:57 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 13, 2015, 01:41:28 am
Post by: lijacote on February 13, 2015, 07:47:15 am
Wow, still not dead !You have no business being alive, mister!
And I've destroyed another army, once again ! :D
The Fires of Shangrila never die, even underwater
Post by: Karlito on February 14, 2015, 01:29:13 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 14, 2015, 02:08:07 am
Post by: Hatman on February 15, 2015, 09:33:26 pm
Post by: tompliss on February 16, 2015, 06:40:28 pm
Post by: E. Albright on February 17, 2015, 05:15:27 am
Anyway, unrequested 12h extension. Barring explicit requests, though, staling will proceed at that time regardless of its scope.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 17, 2015, 06:24:57 am
Post by: EuchreJack on February 22, 2015, 01:47:18 pm
If I may make an unusual request, since the beginning of my tenure as deity to the people of Deathig, I have had a policy of giving mages names intended to suggest astoundingly terrible movies, mostly in the action and horror genres. I have run out, and wouldn't mind hearing any the thread might have.
Right before Aliens vs Predators came out on DVD, they had a movie with an almost similar name. It is still the only movie that I have been unable to watch till the end.
Found it! AVH: Alien vs. Hunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVH:_Alien_vs._Hunter) Boy, did that suck.
Looking at the studio that made the movie, they have a long history of making terrible movies with names similar to mainstream movies. And just terrible movies. So you can just go to their page and start name stealing.
Post by: E. Albright on February 22, 2015, 04:26:04 pm
Post by: EuchreJack on February 22, 2015, 08:01:38 pm
You could also peruse TVTropes' "So Bad It's Horrible" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Horrible/Film) page. Although you may pay for knowledge with time by venturing into that infernal realm...
Time entered: Around when the above was posted.
Time left: I've just got one more tab from TVTropes open...
Edit: Ok, I've finally broken free. Today.
Post by: Darkwind3 on February 24, 2015, 04:53:49 pm
Spoiler: spoilered for huge (click to show/hide)
horrors op
Post by: E. Albright on February 24, 2015, 05:44:14 pm
(As an aside, Demonic Locusts are very cute but expensive.)
Post by: Darkwind3 on February 24, 2015, 08:24:01 pm
e: also, if you didn't see yet, new patch out. The pretender overhaul is here!
Post by: E. Albright on February 24, 2015, 08:35:55 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 24, 2015, 08:56:20 pm
That sounds perfectly reasonable.
Post by: E. Albright on February 25, 2015, 07:29:23 am
[Edit: Argh, I swear it was still listing as due Friday when I wrote the above and extended it. My fault for not extremely explicitly refreshing right before making the change. My apologies. :-\]
Post by: tompliss on February 25, 2015, 08:14:10 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 25, 2015, 08:40:46 am
If nothing else, given how cheat detection is wrecking alchemizing gems right now, it's probably for the best, yeah. Um, I'll push it 48h and continue not submitting my turn?
Sounds like the best course of action.
Post by: lijacote on February 25, 2015, 11:25:10 am
It's a shame the Serpent of Chaos looks to be unavailable to the UW nations, being amphibious and all, I think it would be kind of neat. But maybe it makes more sense that the serpent's home is on dry ground.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 26, 2015, 01:18:00 pm
Quote from: Dev
You can expect a patch in just a few days to fix the alchemy bug and a few other things.
We have a timeline!
Post by: Hatman on February 26, 2015, 04:39:27 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 27, 2015, 09:19:44 am
I'll postpone appropriately.
@Everyone:
v4.17 is available at least from GamersGate. It's usually the last one to get these so I assume that Desura and Steam have 4.17 as well. So Albright should probably upload his turn now unless there's something I'm missing.
Changelog in the quote box below:
Quote
Version 4.17
This patch mainly fixes a few bugs introduced in the previous update.
Game
Alchemy cheat detect bug fixed
Deadeater bug fix
Pretender autocalc tweaking
Pretender cost tweaking
National pretender cost reductions shown in popup
Description fixes
Supaya reanimation gave wrong info on numbers reanimated
Man-Eater got flick barb attack
Criosphinx no helmet slot
Some start troop fixes
Ghost Riders and some similar rituals didn't work properly
Modding
Fixed bug in new poptype modding that made many commands useless
Post by: E. Albright on February 27, 2015, 04:07:42 pm
(Discussion of this point on Desura is mixed.)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on February 27, 2015, 06:24:06 pm
Post by: Hatman on February 28, 2015, 11:39:39 pm
Post by: E. Albright on March 01, 2015, 03:17:25 am
Quote from: Desura
Not sure if its on 4.17 but right now its broken... Game turns are not rolling. I have seen at least 2 games with all 2h files received and another past time and none have processed.
Hmm, so. I can go ahead and submit or hold off still - it doesn't seem like it'd matter, but...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 01, 2015, 06:27:26 am
If it were me I'd submit, but as you say it doesn't seem to matter overly much. Do postpone to keep yourself from staling if that's the route you take.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 01, 2015, 07:29:05 am
Post by: E. Albright on March 01, 2015, 04:18:52 pm
Post by: lijacote on March 03, 2015, 07:22:35 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 03, 2015, 08:17:22 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 05, 2015, 04:48:05 pm
Got any more for the grinder? :P
Post by: tompliss on March 06, 2015, 02:53:16 am
You can process it right now and make me stall, I don't really mind (I've got my units in repeating orders if they didn't get kicked out of their province).
Otherwise, I would need a 10h delay :/
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 08, 2015, 06:03:28 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on March 09, 2015, 07:20:05 pm
The decrease in horror numbers seems to be having an effect on the strength of my raiding, but given what horrors were like before I don't think that's a bad thing. (It might also be that I'm slamming my Lesser Horrors head-first into hundreds of skeletons they're not equipped to kill.)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 10, 2015, 03:20:08 am
Agor will persevere!
Post by: lijacote on March 10, 2015, 01:46:49 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 10, 2015, 01:56:36 pm
Frankly that's a more comforting image than whatever constitutes reality in this game.
Post by: E. Albright on March 11, 2015, 07:35:44 am
Spoiler: Income (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Armies (click to show/hide)
(And remember, girls and boys, Illen believes in honest pay for an honest day's work, so our armies aren't free, unlike the yeller necromancers or the pinko lizards...)
Post by: Hatman on March 11, 2015, 06:36:56 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 11, 2015, 06:51:28 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 12, 2015, 11:36:27 am
Post by: lijacote on March 16, 2015, 07:03:30 am
There's still the Purgatory...
Post by: tompliss on March 16, 2015, 09:50:09 am
But hey, 37 PD in my last province :D
I feel like dom death is near, now that I haven't my prophet to preach anymore...
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 17, 2015, 07:24:54 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 17, 2015, 01:03:31 pm
Demon or lizard, man or giant, you'll all bleed 8)
Post by: Hatman on March 19, 2015, 02:15:36 am
Post by: tompliss on March 19, 2015, 01:23:20 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on March 19, 2015, 10:49:25 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 20, 2015, 01:51:01 am
Post by: lijacote on March 21, 2015, 03:17:46 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on March 21, 2015, 10:34:31 pm
Honestly, I've always wanted to experiment with Demon Knight spam, so this game is like a dream come true. A dream of endless infernal hordes clashing with the legions of the dead as mages destroy the landscape with barrages of fire and vast convulsing earthquakes under perpetually black clouds for the service of titans and sorcerers who believe themselves gods.
More like a nightmare, really. A really cool nightmare though! Demon knights!
Post by: lijacote on March 22, 2015, 07:37:33 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on March 24, 2015, 09:02:07 pm
Post by: E. Albright on March 24, 2015, 10:16:10 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on March 29, 2015, 05:24:56 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on March 29, 2015, 07:54:35 pm
Post by: lijacote on April 05, 2015, 09:04:49 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 05, 2015, 09:44:35 pm
I must say, my defeat at Desert Eye (again) was disappointing. It was hopefully just as awful for you as it was for me though, Delta Foxtrot! Enjoy that stolen behemoth, it's the only thing standing between that province and me.
Also oh wow Dheathig got domkilled? Ouch!
Post by: lijacote on April 05, 2015, 09:53:43 pm
I am also seriously pissed off at the scripting that is ahead. It will not be enjoyable. If I make a mistake, what then? I lose! Lose!
Post by: USEC_OFFICER on April 05, 2015, 10:01:51 pm
...
Okay, they'll never get domkilled in my heart. Also, once again, I'm sorry for having to abandon this game guys. It was pretty neat up until then.
Post by: Hatman on April 05, 2015, 11:09:34 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 05, 2015, 11:52:44 pm
Given that the mage death tolls in Desert Eye were the apes' 1570g/17 labturns vs. Agor's 8640g/46 labturns, I hesitate to even go so far as to say that Agor won a Pyrrhic victory regardless of who currently holds the fort...
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 06, 2015, 07:33:44 pm
Spoiler: huge (click to show/hide)
There are ~3-4 other provinces that look like this in that region. In the grim darkness of turn 85, there is only war!
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 07, 2015, 12:54:53 pm
As for lijacote's undead hordes... I've been expecting you 8)
Post by: lijacote on April 07, 2015, 02:32:36 pm
You had a good go Hatman. Now you know how important dominion is in the long run.Bluff, call. (http://i.imgur.com/cG4twAK.jpg)
As for lijacote's undead hordes... I've been expecting you 8)
Post by: lijacote on April 07, 2015, 06:32:50 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 07, 2015, 06:48:44 pm
Post by: Hatman on April 07, 2015, 10:18:26 pm
Post by: lijacote on April 08, 2015, 09:43:53 am
Sent in my turn.
Post by: Margrave on April 10, 2015, 02:38:40 pm
We're well entrenched in the late game at this point (TURN 82!) with several contenders for the top slot. The game is 9/18, level 1 thrones only for victory. Jotunheim is in a good position, enjoying several in game years of peace between its neighbors with some strong resources at it's disposal for people interested in playing the late game and trying out strategies they might not try otherwise.
Jotunheim currently only has two thrones in its possession but the opportunity to expand if the more aggressive player is interested in seizing them. Shoot me a PM if you're interested in taking over and I will happily explain anything that needs explaining. Thanks for reading!
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 12, 2015, 10:16:18 am
but if a Lich could, The First Mage would shed a single tear for his people,
for all people
If only You had seen His light, people would be happy and You would be comfortably banished in a not too nasty plane of existence,
Happy.
Meanwhile in Agor... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PmzdINGZk)
Post by: lijacote on April 13, 2015, 08:38:11 am
At worst, this delay will be until after the Finnish elections and when I get pay for getting involved in them. At minimum, I will require three days to purchase and get a new motherboard shipped. I will need to secure financing if I want to get it done that fast... eh.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 13, 2015, 10:44:38 am
And I guess now would be a good time to mention that I'm going to have to leave this game in about 5 weeks, which by the look of things shouldn't be an issue if we keep the current pace, even with the abovementioned pause.
So... Does Frumple feel like steering a C'tis/Sceleria mishmash for a week or two? :P
Or anyone else for that matter, it just seems like Frumple is the local sub master.
edit:
I postponed the game by 29h while we mull over what's to be done with Lissasa.
edit2:
I will naturally postpone it further if we end up taking the long pause.
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 13, 2015, 09:07:35 pm
A short-term sub is most likely a better solution, but finding subs is difficult at the best of times.
Post by: E. Albright on April 13, 2015, 11:37:38 pm
Spoiler: forex (click to show/hide)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 14, 2015, 03:24:14 am
Post by: lijacote on April 15, 2015, 07:29:59 am
Post by: lijacote on April 18, 2015, 05:56:47 pm
Spoiler: For those curious as to what the hell happened (click to show/hide)
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 19, 2015, 10:05:19 am
Sweet statistics, batman!
Post by: E. Albright on April 21, 2015, 09:49:32 pm
Post by: lijacote on April 22, 2015, 11:20:49 am
I'm also amused by the similarity between this situation and the one I have going on in Empires in Arms. Our Napoleon is very adamant that he has every tactic and strategy thought out for all of us of his enemies in the coalition, but I'm doubtful. I think we'll be on Paris soon enough.
Post by: lijacote on April 23, 2015, 11:16:12 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 23, 2015, 12:45:55 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 23, 2015, 06:58:46 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 23, 2015, 07:04:27 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 24, 2015, 09:37:03 pm
(To clarify, I'm pretty sure all parties involved were unhappily surprised by the turn of events in Painter Lair. Well, except the ghouls, who I'm sure were thrilled to unexpectedly continue their undeath...)
Spoiler: The RNG hates Lissasa (click to show/hide)
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 26, 2015, 05:49:27 pm
e: I do feel sorry for you, having an opponent who is going to be casting turn 1 Fire Fend in every even remotely important battle for the rest of the game.
Post by: lijacote on April 26, 2015, 07:47:53 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 26, 2015, 10:11:53 pm
In case the monkeys missed it, and/or for the amusement of the peanut gallery, two depictions of the Battle of Agor:
Spoiler: Even death may die (click to show/hide)
Post by: Karlito on April 26, 2015, 10:21:20 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 26, 2015, 10:30:57 pm
Post by: Karlito on April 26, 2015, 10:31:51 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 26, 2015, 11:17:54 pm
Spoiler: Oomph? Oomph. (click to show/hide)
Post by: EnigmaticHat on April 26, 2015, 11:32:37 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 27, 2015, 12:30:05 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 27, 2015, 05:44:10 am
I had some blood mages scripted but all those longdead displaced the blood slaves out of reach, no doubt I'd have still lost though. I'm particularly happy about getting acid storm up, gave one of my F1W1 guys some boosters, a crystal shield and a matrix. Other than that it's about what you'd expect, lots of lumbering longdead, some fog warriors on both sides and plenty of D and H spells.
Turn done. I think I'll stick around for a few more turns at least since I've got some more forts.
Post by: Darkwind3 on April 28, 2015, 01:56:12 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on April 28, 2015, 02:17:31 pm
Post by: E. Albright on April 28, 2015, 02:21:07 pm
e: I do feel sorry for you, having an opponent who is going to be casting turn 1 Fire Fend in every even remotely important battle for the rest of the game.
Very true, so long as your mages can stay alive and remember to cast the spell...
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 01, 2015, 06:23:09 pm
Post by: E. Albright on May 01, 2015, 06:36:00 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 06, 2015, 08:34:41 pm
Also I'll be gone from Friday to Sunday, so it would be nice if I could have the next turn postponed 24h or so. I ought to be able to finish this turn on Thursday.
Post by: E. Albright on May 06, 2015, 09:35:34 pm
Post by: lijacote on May 07, 2015, 07:16:01 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 07, 2015, 09:03:01 am
I'd put money on the blue menace winning the game, yes.
It's either them or Agor. And it's not looking too good for Agor right now.
Post by: E. Albright on May 07, 2015, 01:27:04 pm
Post by: E. Albright on May 08, 2015, 01:32:35 am
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 08, 2015, 05:25:40 am
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 08, 2015, 07:54:18 am
You're obviously free to say nothing or dissemble, but I simply have to ask: how on Peliwyr did that pest Waka die? Remote attack spell? Or was he drowned as part of a sinister plan to Rebirth him on the other side of the map?I'm pretty sure he just got hit by Purgatory in high enough negative dominion that it killed him. RIP Waka, again. Long live Waka! (I have nothing better to do with my death gems.)
As for victory - to be honest, I'm already resigned to Illen winning. I just want to play out my last couple turns and do crazy things.
Post by: E. Albright on May 08, 2015, 11:40:26 am
[Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIPoF31emtY]
Post by: lijacote on May 10, 2015, 04:41:14 pm
Post by: E. Albright on May 10, 2015, 04:50:45 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 10, 2015, 05:44:40 pm
Spoiler: can't be bothered to make the images not huge (click to show/hide)
For what it's worth I'm willing to concede the game in favor of Illen, not that it will matter much next turn, when I'm inevitably domkilled. I have 20 temples, down from a high of (IIRC) 27. Neither of you will survive.
e: also, tartarians. If that's not a victory lap I don't know what is.
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 10, 2015, 07:49:47 pm
For what it's worth I'm willing to concede the game in favor of Illen, not that it will matter much next turn, when I'm inevitably domkilled. I have 20 temples, down from a high of (IIRC) 27. Neither of you will survive.
I've been knocked out a good while ago, so I don't think I have much say one way or the other. I'll keep submitting turns as long as I'm able though. Which won't be many weeks more but I don't think that'll be an issue for 410.
And no, wasn't me with the global.
edit:
in other news, if anyone is hankering for a turn 38+ EA Pan in 414, I'm willing to provide details via PM. Pair of N9Ex giants! Ulm! 1v2v1 endgame war!
Post by: E. Albright on May 10, 2015, 08:30:41 pm
I do want to play to completion - even if that were to mean force-hosting a couple more turns until Illenese love washes over everyone - so we can see the complete graphs. Ofc, I'm also willing to fight to the bitter (and yes, fast-approaching) end.
(FWIW, the Tartarians didn't feel like a victory lap for me, they felt like a much-needed way to bolster my anemic military and maybe throw in some more endgame path diversity for good measure. Granted, that may be paranoia and pessimism talking. I'd say if anything feels like a victory lap it's completing research in all schools. Which won't happen for two turns yet, but it's still more than a bit superfluous.)
Post by: Culise on May 11, 2015, 02:13:53 pm
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 11, 2015, 03:57:06 pm
The answer to 300+ gem overcasts is assassins. Billions of them. :PYou try assassinating a drinking fountain! Harder than it looks.
Spoiler: still too lazy to resize huge images (click to show/hide)
(e: I'm sharing these images because I just lost and, while the game isn't over, it may as well be, and I can't guarantee I'd remember to post these images once the game ends properly.)
Post by: E. Albright on May 11, 2015, 06:21:34 pm
Spoiler: (This is all one province) (click to show/hide)
Post by: Culise on May 12, 2015, 11:28:03 am
Heh, except I was taken out fairly early (only turn 40). While I did manage to search out about everything except the Blood and Fire sites (only after I attacked Illen; I might have sat on my hands for longer if I had known about them before), I was never in a position to actually utilize them properly before I ended up getting knocked out of the game. You can thank Karlito/Samarir for that; I actually recall saying when he launched his sneak attack that it was a matter of handing the game to Illen, so you can imagine that I'm a bit perversely pleased that Albright has all but won. ^_^The answer to 300+ gem overcasts is assassins. Billions of them. :PYou try assassinating a drinking fountain! Harder than it looks.I've seen more gem-reduction sites in this game than I have in all of the rest of my MP Dominions games, combined. It was absurd. Dousheim should have won the game, frankly.Spoiler: still too lazy to resize huge images (click to show/hide)
(e: I'm sharing these images because I just lost and, while the game isn't over, it may as well be, and I can't guarantee I'd remember to post these images once the game ends properly.)
But, yeah, never underestimate the depths of my own incompetence. :P
EDIT: Somehow, I constructed my post as though simultaneously trying to respond to both E. Albright immediately above and Darkwind who I quoted, leading to some odd usage of the second-person. Corrected that. >_<
Post by: E. Albright on May 12, 2015, 04:35:45 pm
Post by: E. Albright on May 13, 2015, 05:21:12 pm
Spoiler: Freedom! (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Truth! (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Justice! (click to show/hide)
Post by: E. Albright on May 15, 2015, 07:51:36 pm
Spoiler: graphs (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Hall of Fame (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Illenese HOF members (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Illen and its master (click to show/hide)
Spoiler: Illen's MVPs (click to show/hide)
Post by: E. Albright on May 15, 2015, 09:20:36 pm
Spoiler: Okay, more than a few (click to show/hide)
Oh, and if anyone wants a look-see at the endstate, or is curious how things looked at any point in the game (I had an excellent scout network), here's all but maybe one of my turns:
https://mega.co.nz/#!yc9VGTYJ!p3KA5ea1pEiorBUqBCdTSig2neIKtsCNNjnVRpkF9ZU
I say all but one because I'm pretty sure I didn't archive one turn between 10 and 30 because my count didn't agree with Llamaserver's, but I could never bring myself to go back and figure out which one I missed.
Post by: lijacote on May 16, 2015, 09:46:30 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 16, 2015, 10:21:14 am
My latest couple of games were(are) disasters of harebrained slackery, so I think I could use some proper dominions workout.
That is to say, who's up for another Natgen game?
Post by: E. Albright on May 16, 2015, 10:42:22 am
Post by: Il Palazzo on May 16, 2015, 12:47:25 pm
Post by: Delta Foxtrot on May 16, 2015, 04:36:23 pm
Some drowsy navel gazing from Agor:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thanks to Elmokki and Albright for NationGen. And good luck everyone with the next match.
Post by: Darkwind3 on May 21, 2015, 09:29:18 pm
As for a retrospective (short and from memory, though I can go into more detail if needed):
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